Pale Moon update?

[rikona]

On Fri, 22 May 2020 17:29:07 +0200
Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 16:30, rikona <rikona at sonic.net> wrote:
>  >  
> > > My existing FF gets flaky when I have too many windows/tabs open,
> > > thus my running multiple browsers - BUT - does Waterfox store
> > > EVERYTHING completely separate from FF so both can be loaded up
> > > without any interaction? Since it loaded bookmarks, etc, are
> > > these essentially shared with FF so changes/additions appear in
> > > both?  
> 
> AFAIK, it imports your Firefox settings and then keeps its own. Ask in
> the Reddit group for advice:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox
> 
> > Tried running Waterfox Classic with a VERY heavily loaded FF. Barely
> > ran at all - takes 1-2 minutes to load a complex page, even takes
> > 10-20 sec to go to another already 'open' tab [starts blank.....
> > then comes up]. And it quickly gets even slower with multiple tabs
> > on one page.  
> 
> There is an optional Firefox setting to load all tabs at once when
> restoring a session. If it bogs down too much, turn it off.
> 
> As Waterfox imports your Firefox settings, if you had disabled F'fox's
> multiprocess rendering, then I think W'fox will come up the same.
> Perhaps check that?
> 
> > Worst is if I try to access the same page in WF & FF. If already
> > running in FF, it doesn't even come up in WF. Perhaps the 2 pgms
> > share a lot of stuff, so adding WF is worse than adding
> > nothing. :-((  
> 
> They shouldn't, no.
> 
> > Good idea, but not if running both at the same time...  
> 
> Why would you? I switched completely and no longer use F'fox on most
> of my machines. On Linux where it is often bundled, I leave it, but
> never open it. On MacOS & Windows I have just removed it.
> 
> On all my machines I now use W'fox for general Web stuff, and Chrome
> for Web 2-heavy or Javascript-heavy apps, and for stuff needing Flash
> and other media playback tools, e.g. Zoom, GoToMeeting, etc.
> 
> I would not generally advise trying 2 Mozilla browsers side-by-side
> concurrently.
> 
> Also, tab sleep may help?
> 
> https://www.ghacks.net/2019/03/28/hibernate-tabs-in-firefox-with-sleep-mode/
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ff-tab-suspender/

As always, a lot of good suggestions and comments. Thanks!!

I tried installing OneTab, which implements the tab sleep idea. It's
pretty good if you have tons of tabs open. It collapsed the more than
100 tabs I had open in several instances of FF, into just one tab, in
just one instance of FF. Also, it does seem to actually close all these
tabs fully. When I reopened one of those tabs from the list it creates,
FF does seem to respond and work more rapidly. The downside, though, is
that it does close the tab completely. This means that on tabs which
require signing on before it is fully functional, you again have to
sign on and then get back to where you were when the tab was closed.
For quite a few sites, this adds significant time and effort. It's much
slower than just flipping back and forth between two already open tabs.
So, overall, it does not help my productivity. It is a good idea,
though, for just sites that are "informational" and don't require any
additional interactions. Unfortunately, I'm probably better off not
using it since I use a lot of sign-on sites, so will uninstall it. A
good suggestion though!

I also tried a few experiments to assess interactions. WaterFox, by
itself, runs quite well, as does FF. With only a single instance of FF
running, with only one tab open, WF also runs quite well at the same
time. If I open certain pages in FF, that page will not open at all in
a simultaneously running WF. If that same page is first opened up in
WF, then FF will not display that page at all either. There seems to be
some kind of strange interaction between the two programs. Your thought
about not having two Mozilla based browsers running together now seems
to have some experimental verification.

As to why I run multiple browsers, I do lots of complex research on
multiple topics, all at the same time. Some tabs may stay open for a
week or more, and used several times on different days. When FF gets
loaded up with more than about 100 tabs, many of which may have active
JS and graphics, FF becomes slower and much more flaky. Some tabs
become finicky or may not work at all. So, I try to keep the number of
open tabs below this in each of the different browsers I use. In heavy
usage times, I may have four different browsers open with nearly the
maximum number of instances and tabs in each. This is why I've been
looking to use as many different browsers as possible. I switch back
and forth a lot between different tabs on different browsers. Also, I
like the way the unity layout helps me to do this kind of switch
between browsers.

My favorite browser so far was the Brave browser, but it alone quickly
consumed almost all the computer memory with several tabs open, and
seemed to be causing serious problems with other software, particularly
FF. I have, so far, not found any way to keep it from rapidly taking
over the huge memory resources, so I've stopped using it.

Many thanks for the good suggestions, but still looking for something
that works really well for me. I've tried using multiple computers,
but that makes the compilation of overall data/info much harder. Tough
problem, perhaps...

Rik