Zoom

[Gilles Gravier]

Children,

(Yes, I'm top posting for a reason.)

Are you sure this discussion has its place on the "Ubuntu user technical
support, not for general discussion" list?

I mean, I think several of us provided answers to Jay's original
question. Then I see some actually went ahead and suggested other tools
(when the question was really about how to install Zoom). Now we're
talking politics and national sovereignty and national espionage.

Maybe take this to another mailing list?

Gilles

On 31/03/2020 14:57, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 31/03/2020, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:07 PM Bret Busby <bret.busby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/03/2020, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:49 PM Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>> Am Montag, den 30.03.2020, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Liam Proven:
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 17:13, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> i did not talk about repos (though if your system eats itself
>>>>>>> during a release-to-releaase upgrade because some third-party
>>>>>>> secretly changed our sources.list you will likely not be happy
>>>>>>> either)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i explicitly talked about using dpkg -i to install some downloaded
>>>>>>> deb
>>>>>> Yes, I know. So was I. I thought I was clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I am saying is that if you download a .DEB file of Google
>>>>>> Chrome, or MS Teams, Or Skype for Linux, and you install it with
>>>>>> `dpkg`, then the programs add their own repositories to your system
>>>>>> list.
>>>>> ah, ok, i didnt get that context somehow ....
>>>>>
>>>>> well, as long as you are okay to give microsoft (or any other 3rd
>>>>> party repo owner) full root access to your system, sure, why not ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> i personally prefer to not have microsoft, google or slack to have
>>>>> full root access to my system and rather rely on the confinement
>>>>> features snap or flatpak provide to prevent any apps from reading my
>>>>> passwords out of ~/.config or other databases they do not necessarily
>>>>> need to access ...
>>>> Or Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, ...
>>> Do you use that Chinese owned software, Opera?
>>>
>>> Are you really willing to let the Chinese government into yor computer?
>> I've tried Opera and removed it after disliking some of its quirks...
>> And done the same with other browsers, like Yandex for example.
>>
>> Given the Patriot Act and similar laws in Europe, I don't see how you
>> can think that the Chinese government is any worse in terms of
>> intrusion than any other, unless you're feeling culturally superior
>> (to put it mildly).
>>
> I was not aware that the European government is an authoritarian
> empire building institution trying to take over the world by doing
> sinister things like spying on all of the citizens of countries
> outside its jurisdiction, like China and the USA and Trump's boss,
> Putin.
>

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