what do you want to see in future apt versions ?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 16:07:48 +0000, Bret Busby wrote:
>I suppose that you will both be applying for jobs in Trump's Outhouse.

Hi Bret,

neither Liam nor I are introducing escalation, you are the one who does.

Neither Liam nor I spread untruth, we are just the delivery men who try
to explain the good reasons for the balancing act the apt maintainer
has to do.

You are escalating and unwilling to accept facts, your
'misunderstanding' is probably closer to Trump's approach than Liams and
my views related to this topic are. However, so far nobody, including
you, does cause that kind of dispeace as Trump does, consider to read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law . You are doing something
that is very close to that, given what's going on in the USA. Just
avoiding to mention the NAZIs isn't much better, if better at all.

Btw. my main distro is Arch Linux, it's package management impossibly
can confuse users related to distribution release upgrades and package
upgrades, since this distro doesn't have release upgrades at all. If
the release model's command line tool is confusing for you related to
release upgrades, you might want to test the real rolling release such
as Arch Linux.

Have you read Colin's reply [1]?
Did you read Oli's initial post [2]?

Don't worry about Liam or me, simply join the maintainers thread at
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-apt/16588 and
mention your concerns there.

I can't see you or anybody else mentioning a wish to change the term
"full-upgrade".

I add my wish, a wish that is completely unrelated to "full-upgrade",
so I'm not trying to convince the maintainer to stay with
"full-upgrade", neither Liam does.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:18:30 +0100
From: Colin Law <clanlaw at gmail.com>
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: what do you want to see in
future apt versions ?


As I understand it dist-upgrade was changed to full-upgrade in an
attempt to remove at least some of the confusion which undeniably did
(and to some extent still does) exist.  dist-upgrade does tend to
suggest that the distribution may be changed, whereas full-upgrade is
intended to suggest that everything is upgraded.  It can still be
mis-interpreted however.  I have yet to see any suggestion that is
clear and unambiguous.  There is probably no ideal solution.  Ubuntu
does provide the GUI upgrade system which should remove all these
issues from those that do not know the full details of the command
line usage.

[2]
Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 20:11:33 +0200
From: Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com>
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: what do you want to see in future apt versions ?


hi,

there is a poll from the apt maintainer over at the 
Ubuntu Community Hub ...

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-apt/16588

i thought it is worth forwarding it here for greater awareness (please
comment at the community hub though, not here)

ciao
	oli