Any suggestions for library administration software please?

[Mike Marchywka]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:01:02PM -0500, Little Girl wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> Mike Marchywka wrote:
> >Little Girl wrote:
> >> 
> >> This might be a temporary solution. It asks for a URL and
> >> generates a citation from it:
> >> 
> >> https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/research_and_citation/mla_style/mla_formatting_and_style_guide/mla_works_cited_electronic_sources.html
> >>   
> >I tried that on a web page without the info and it just hung.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> >On a scientific page, it did produce the result but that
> >format-specific stuff is a problem- it needs to return key-value
> >pairs and let you do the formatting.
> 
> Ah, okay. I don't know of anything that can do that off-hand. It
> sounds to me that this would involve an HTML standard that website
> administrators would have to adhere to so that you could reliably
> identify and grab the correct information from each page.

Yeah, I think that is doomed. But, if you can find my posts on texhax at tug
archives I think I included some notes on "BoMTeX" or adaptation
to bibtex to make it more commercial but also useful for most
web page types. I'm trying to move my bibtex script into c++
for the logic ( still invoking bash from c++ for all the real work).

One related idea though that came up in the latex discussion was
the idea of making clipboards that had some notion of "where the heck
the stuff came from." So, when you paste to the clipboard someone has 
source material to keep track of how to cite it.  No idea how you
make that work but maybe for the next Ubuntu :)


> 
> The W3C standard requires a title element within the head element of a
> web page, which is great for citations and would be easy enough to
> identify, grab, and parse, but there's no requirement for paragraph
> numbering elements, and without those, you'd have to get down to a
> manual level in order to grab at least some types of citations. Even
> if such a thing existed, lots of website administrators ignore the
> standards and write invalid code, in which case you might not even
> be able to fetch the title from the page source, let alone anything
> else.
> 
> >For example, this is the result of a recent script run. I put
> >"srcurl" on the clipboard, ran the script and it identified a way to
> >get the bibtex ( or key-value pairs that specify the work ).
> >Sometimes these are publisher site specific, other times available
> >from a DOI and maybe others from html metadata or less likely pdf
> >exif data. Some people on texhax maillist suggested that zotero etc
> >can make a better choice when there are multiple source but the
> >trick is to scrape the data when there is nothing explicity. Ideally
> >every page, at least for news sites, would have bibtex cite buttons
> >but for more commercial interest, see my archived posts on texhax, I
> >noted that a bibliography could also be a bill-of-materials with one
> >or two click buying for recipes or DIY projects or whatever.  
> 
> It sounds to me like you've got it figured out for sites that comply
> with some sort of standard, whether that's presented as bibtex, DOI,
> or some other form. I'm not sure what you can do about the sites that
> don't provide something like that other than manually grabbing
> whatever data is available. I suppose you could analyze the types of
> text you'd be likely to see near such information and try to do a
> sloppy grab of likely information that's flagged to let you know that
> it needs to be cleaned up.
> 
> By the way, you got me all fired up about citations again, so I went
> poking around last night and found MyBib. It's free and seems like it
> will come in really handy for someone like me since I only need
> citations in small quantities.
> 
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