Wireless not connecting...

[Mike Marchywka]

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:11:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2019 08:24:05 am Mike Marchywka wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 01:33:57PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
> > > On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 13:25, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > > distros should really consider simply shipping paperclips
> > > > alongside these isos images ... since it seems to make all these
> > > > firmware packages and the related driver mess obsolete ;)
> > > >
> > > :-D
> > >
> > > I found the tip online. I was amazed it worked and worked so well.
> > >
> > > https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4037028?answerId=18677374022#18
> > >677374022
> > >
> > > Sorry, my mistake. Not a paper clip -- the wire was too thick. A
> > > twisty-tie, with the end of the plastic stripped off.
> >
> > On your way to making a conformal dielectric antenna :) Hi tech and
> > not know it... The reason for pointing this out though is not just to
> > use jargon but curious if there is any practical application here. RF
> > fields can be sensitive to some things and if the front end is
> > instrumented properly maybe there are sensor applications here- put a
> > coil on it and make a metal detector :)
> >
> Antennas can be spooky things at wifi frequencies.  To be correct and 

Othewise known as sensors largely through near field coupling. There is
high precision circuit measuring equipment but then there can also
be simple thing integrated into the card that are not nearly 
as good but may under software control let your measure something.

I'm not sure what that something would be but curious now what the
RF sections look like. Anyone need a grid dip meter on a cell phone lol.


1/2 wave dipoles, or 1/4 plus image, have not always been practical
and stub or short antennas are IIRC well analyzed. Anything that accelerates
a charge radiates but you have to look at both what the transmitter 
sees as a load under many parameters and what the reciever sees.
Generally when analyzed distance denominators are expanded and you
can point to things like near and far fields although it is interesting
that expansions like this have physical term-wise meaning but probably similar 
with expanding relativistic things. 


> stable, the circuit between the amplifier and the antenna should be 
> designed to improve the match between the antennas actual measured 
> characteristics in terms of both its resistance and its reactance. It 
> would be extremely rare to do a smith chart that shows both 50 ohms, and 
> a purely resistive reactance, eg whether it looked capacitive, or 
> inductive at the test frequency. 
> 
Any idea  what they can do with monolithic inductors these day? 


> I might add that the test gear to make those measurements runs into the 
> 30 to 50k$ range and that translates to virtually no maker having it, 
> and likely not knowing how to run it if they did.
> 
> Its generally considered that an  infinitely thin wire exactly 1/4 
> wavelength long is around 36 ohms. Fatter, or the wrong length can make 
> it very reactive, and diddle the ohmage from just 2 or 3 ohms to as high 
> as almost 1000 ohms  Its also modified by conductive stuff within 10 
> wavelengths, which for wifi frequencies is several feet and of course 
> its thicker than our imaginary thin wire. 
> 
> So the circuit on the back side of that jack on the router isn't always a 
> good match, and this is true regardless of the direction, which here 
> means transmit and receive. A poorly designed circuit can cost you 30 
> db.  Its rarely that bad, but 10 db is quite common. Throw in that 
> generally there is no ground plane. Such a wifi antenna needs around 4 
> sq ft of ground plane to be able to describe it as good. Usually the 
> best you are going to get is the size of the ground plane of the pcb in 
> that router.
> 
> You can mount it high on a wall, with the stick(s) on top pointing up, 
> and thats going to be about the best you can do as you will have made it 
> into a sort of half wave driven near the center of that half wave.  And 
> the directionality is concentrating the best signal area into a donut 
> laying horizontally around it.
> 
> Best you're going to get given the limits imposed by the packaging.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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