sound control on 18.04

[Gary J. Kirkpatrick]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:54 PM Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 14:10, Gary J. Kirkpatrick <garyartista at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Added the sound output device chooser, which works about as I would
> like.  However once I added it the toppanel stopped working.
>
> I hope you will forgive me, but when I read this line, I laughed. :-(
>
> > I removed the sound device chooser and reinstalled topicons but no
> luck.  The topicons are more useful.
>
> This is an important aspect of the whole GNOME 3 issue. They are
> removing stuff that real live, active users *need* and will not
> negotiate this.
>
> Much of it you can put back with extensions, but extensions can clash
> or disable one another -- and when you get a version update to GNOME,
> random extensions stop working, or clash in new ways, in my personal
> experience leaving you with a machine you can no longer log into or
> where you can log in but don't get a working desktop.
>
> This is, to me, unacceptable and it's why I won't use it. It is not
> good enough if functionality can be put back with extensions if that
> method is unstable and won't survive upgrades.
>
> The GNOME developers removed additional icon support a few versions
> ago. Most recently they removed desktop icon support, too. (!) They
> removed multiple panes from Nautilus.
>
> They don't support menus in the top panel.
>
> They don't support user-customisable toolbars in apps. They don't
> support true app menu bars or title bars. (I.e. in GNOME apps.)
>
> They don't support many things I use daily.
>
> I suspect that basically they remove support for anything _they_ don't
> use, and in fact, many of them are fairly new to desktop *nix and they
> simply don't know about a lot of features, so when they find support
> in the code, they remove them, considering them to be obsolete junk.
>
> They removed so many things in the pursuit of simplicity, but GNOME is
> still one of the biggest, most complex, resource-hungry desktops, in
> part because of extensive use of indirection layers and additional
> toolkits. It renders via OpenGL so it works poorly in VMs or machines
> without hardware 3D (or as is more likely on Linux, without working 3D
> *drivers*).
>
> It doesn't give me anything I want or need. It looks nice, but I find
> it hard to use and poor in functionality.
>
> Cinnamon -- a fork of GNOME 3 -- looks just as nice and works better,
> if in the boring old Windows-95-style. And it doesn't support a
> vertical taskbar, which is something I very strongly want.
>
> Maté -- the fork of GNOME 2 -- does everything Cinnamon does, in a
> more flexible way, using fewer resources. Which makes one ask: if a
> fork of the old codebase has yielded a more flexible, customisable
> desktop, then why bother with the version change and all these years
> of upset?
>
> And yet Maté _also_ can't do a vertical taskbar.
>
> So I've switched to an even older, simpler, lower-resource desktop: Xfce.
>
> It does vertical taskbars just fine, doesn't need 3D, doesn't need
> OpenGL, works great in VMs, looks smart, and uses less RAM and disk
> than any of the competition except LXDE, which is end-of-life.
>
> We have lots of desktops, but most of them just reproduce 80% of the
> same shared functionality. That's not diversity. That's just
> repetition.
>
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well, I still have Unity in 18.04.  I have used several flavors of Ubuntu,
EasyPeasy even (for a machine too slow for Ubuntu and I can always go back
to one of those.  In the meantime I'll probably stico to Unity, although
Wayland works a bit better than the current standard.

gary k
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