my little rant...

[Xen]

Soname is a confusing word, it is not proper English and sounds and 
reads like "some" so it constantly confuses the mind, while you mean 
something like $subject or $topic with it.



Ralf Mardorf schreef op 11-11-2017 12:22:
> Without doubts you don't understand what a rolling release is.

Yes, it is probably high tech only advanced people can know.

You know, half the responses in this list are from people who want to 
profess their understanding as superior.

Apparently that has something to do with being older and yet at the same 
time becoming irrelevant.

You're showing off, but your knowledge and skills have no relevance to 
the younger generations or the newer world.

That's not a necessity, but that's where the world is heading.

And by not making Linux more user friendly, it is an inevitability.


So yes you know and can do a lot.

Everyone else is doing other stuff.

All of the archaic systems from the 80s are no longer in use except for 
still running the skeleton of the internet.

But the gap is widening, particularly also because (a) modern devices 
are vastly more user-friendly than anything that came before, and (b) 
modern computers are also so far removed from a "basic" experience that 
people cannot obtain the experiences you had.

I am sitting in between, I mean it was still possible if you grew up in 
the 80s.

But most of you who respond here are older than that.

If you can't make the bridge between the young people of this world,

you will relegate yourself to obscurity.

And then keep bragging here about how much you know.


> On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:52:49 +0100, Xen wrote:

> No, there is no freeze, it happens continuously, but
> especially regarding...

You mean that with "everything at the same time" you only mean 
dependency chains.

Well that is pretty obvious. I thought you meant more.


So I knew more about rolling releases than I professed but you threw me 
off



> it's important to sync everything that depends on
> another thing.

Nothing special there.

> What is annoying with pointing out a special thing you
> need to consider for a rolling release?

Your use of the word is annoying, half of the time I don't know what it 
points to.

There appears to be nothing special about a rolling release, it is the 
non-rolling releases that are special.


> This process could happen within
> an hour, excepted of some packages that require a few days, to ensure 
> by
> sign offs, that e.g. the upstream mainline kernel doesn't include
> regressions.

You mean sometimes you need to hold back because it hasn't been tested 
enough yet?

I understand that it is easier to do small upgrades frequently than a 
big upgrade in one step.

> No, there are no _such_ steps at all, excepted that everything that
> depends on another thing, needs to be upgraded at the same time.

Sorry, you made it appear otherwise.

> A
> release model distro could be upgraded from one to another release with
> handling structural changes automatically, a rolling release distro
> sometimes needs user intervention.

I don't see the big difference, as you evidence below.

> When I installed an Ubuntu rc I had to step in, too. Systemd was split
> into another individual package, so I lost some functionality, resp. I
> needed to find out what happened and needed to install the new package
> manually. This isn't required when doing a release upgrade or within a
> regular release and you usually don't need to fear issues and
> similar things for local build packages, within a release cycle.

No but between release upgrades have never really been without problems.