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Ralf Mardorf schreef op 02-12-2017 16:23:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:48:39 +0100, Xen wrote:
>> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 02-12-2017 9:31:
>>> CAUTION:  Note  that  shred  relies on a very important assumption:
>>> that the file system overwrites data in place.  This is the
>>> traditional way to do things, but many modern file system designs do
>>> not satisfy this assumption.
>> If I recall correctly the next piece says that this only applies to
>> Ext3/4 when journal mode is DATA, which is not the default ;-).
> While this is correct, it's still worth to mention it.
>> Thank you for creating noise ;-).
> I wouldn't call such a notice noise. This notice - incompletely quoting
> the manpage - is indeed biased, but since I provided the pointer to the
> extraction of the manpage, the reader is free to read the complete
> manpage. Just mentioning that the history could be shred without giving
> a hint to pitfalls, is much more biased and furthermore it's dangerous.

If you hadn't made a biased statement, I would not have had an issue.

Because then you don't create the impression that this is a very serious 
problem, when it isn't.

Creating fear in people for no reason, why do you do that?

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