Bob Holtzman holtzm at
Mon Jun 9 19:41:12 UTC 2014

On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 08:22:43AM -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 23:24 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 11:57:06PM -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 16:53 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > Actually, you can accomplish most, if not all, of what you need to do
> > > > with sudo, but it is, at times, a PITA.
> > 
> > You will notice that I said "at times".
> I did notice, yes.  And I said "never".
> > The times sudo is a PITA is when I need to execute a number of commands
> > perhaps 5-10 min apart. Typing my 12 character p/w every time is a major
> > PITA and breaks the work flow and my train of thought. Yeah, I know
> > about sudo su ( think that's the command) but I don't use Ubuntu very
> > much and often forget.
> You haven't explained how "su" is NOT a PITA compared to sudo.

With "su" I type the password once and run as many commands as you need
then close the root window and you're done as compared to typing a
password for each command. I forget about "sudo -i" which is often because 
Ubuntu isn't my primary OS and I sometimes forget the Ubuntu peculiar commands.  

> Either
> you always have a root shell running somewhere, which you can do just as
> easily with "sudo -s" (or "sudo su" if it's easier), or you have a
> trivial root password so when you run "su" you don't have to type a 12
> character p/w and break your work flow and train of thought.

You miss my point. First, if you have a "trivial" p/w for root, turn off
the computer and go do something useful. Second, typing a 12 character
p/w is only done once with "su". Third, why in the world would I, or
anyone, have a root shell always running somewhere?
> Your justification seems to be "I don't use Ubuntu and I can't remember
> the command, and that makes it more of a PITA than the command that I
> can remember".

Seems like a valid reason to me. 

Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword
or tackle Mt Everest in snow, but the bravest 
of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for 6000 in low.
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