Probably stupid question, but

[Patrick Asselman]

On 2013-09-07 10:37, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Kevin O'Gorman <kogorman at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> NOTE FROM MODERATOR:
>>
>> I haven't been tracking this thread, but I am now.  Further 
>> occurences
>> of obscenity, insult, or ad-hominem attacks will be treated as
>> requests to be moderated or banned.
>>
>> QUIT IT.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Robert Holtzman <holtzm at cox.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:51:16AM +0200, Patrick Asselman wrote:
>>>> On 2013-09-04 22:39, Robert Holtzm wrote:
>>>> >On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 08:38:17AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >       ........snip.......
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I am 100% with Patrick on this. NM is NOT ready for prime time,
>>>> >>chase it
>>>> >>out of the barn with a load of buckshot in its behind & don't
>>>> >>let it back
>>>> >>on the property until it can play nice.
>>>> >
>>>> >I accept the fact that you've had problems w/ NM, but how do you
>>>> >account
>>>> >for the thousands of users who use it successfully every day? If 
>>>> it
>>>> >were wide spread I would think there would be a flood of messages 
>>>> on
>>>> >this list and on the forums. But then what do I know?
>>>>
>>>> For your amusement, here is the result of 5 seconds on Google:
>>>> http://cholla.mmto.org/computers/linux/nm.html
>>>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=220376
>>>> 
>>>> http://marc.merlins.org/perso/linux/post_2009-07-19_Upgraded-to-Jaunty_-Network-Manager-Still-Sucks-Balls_-2_6_30_1-not-that-stable_-and-Comcast-Business-Exceeding-Expectations.html
>>>> http://saveandrewgarib.com/?articleid=221
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1359938.html
>>>>
>>>> But please note that all of those links are a few years old.
>>>
>>> As you say, these are a few years old. IIRC during that time period 
>>> I
>>> was running ubuntu and had problems with nm. Wound up going to 
>>> wicd.
>>> A year or so ago I dumped ubuntu because I got a belly full of
>>> Marvelous Mark and went to debian. It installed nm which worked
>>> perfectly and does to this day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What seems to have happened is that more and more people used 
>>>> Linux
>>>> on laptops, and there was no tool for properly handling wifi
>>>> connections. NM did that bit pretty well, so it was added to
>>>> Linux... but it seems they forgot that NM was maybe not the best
>>>> thing for some non-wifi applications.
>>>>
>>>> NM seems to have matured now, and it is probably a great tool,
>>>> unifying network setup in all the different distros.
>>>> Maybe it was introduced too soon.
>>>> Or maybe we should just accept that such a unification process 
>>>> will
>>>> always burn a minority before becoming an improvement for (almost)
>>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> That's true for almost all software. The devs aren't mind readers 
>>> and
>>> can't anticipate everyones' hardware or what tweaks they have 
>>> applied to
>>> the os.
>
> So someone gives Mark Shuttleworth a nickname and you have a 
> hissy-fit
> but someone swears at me [1] (I didn't care until this email of
> yours); and ... nothing... It looks like apple-polishing to me.
>
> Great moderating!
>
> [1] 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2013-September/271654.html

I was assuming that the swearing was indeed why the thread was now 
being watched, but I was wondering why other messages were quoted for 
that warning...
(I didn't even realise that Marvelous Mark was a pun on mr. 
Shuttleworth).

Best regards,
Patrick