Probably stupid question, but

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 September 2013 15:20:52 Oliver Grawert did opine:

> hi,
> 
> On Mi, 2013-09-04 at 10:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 04 September 2013 09:47:27 Oliver Grawert did opine:
> > > hi,
> > > 
> > > On Mi, 2013-09-04 at 08:38 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Ok, for starters, all the gui tools to configure it run as the
> > > > user, and therefore cannot modify the files involved.
> > > 
> > > That's a completely wrong assumption, i suggest you read up about
> > > dbus and interprocess communication on modern linux :)
> > > 
> > > ciao
> > > 
> > > 	oli
> > 
> > This is as always when NM is being discussed, a he said/she said
> > argument with nobody being willing to admit the install from the
> > ncurses screen is broken.
> 
> i'm not sure what you mean by "install of the ncurses screen", if you
> mean the server iso, that doesn't (and never did) include a trace of
> NM ...
> 
> if you refer to the alternate desktop installer we used to have, thats
> long dead.
> 
> i also didn't say anything about "he said/she said" i just pointed out a
> flaw in your assumption that an app that runs as the user is not able to
> modify system files.
> 
> > I am damned tired of being called an idiot when the network setup
> > using that portion of the installer cannot obtain a working network,
> > and it cannot be fixed any other way than old school after the
> > initial reboot.
> 
> i didnt call you an idiot ... not sure which part of my post seems to
> imply that i could think you are more of an idiot than myself. if you
> find anything between the lines, be assured it isnt meant to :)
> 
> 
> modern gui apps that are used to manage system level services usually
> come with a system service that runs as a privileged user, the gui parts
> run as regular unprivileged user and talk to the system service via
> dbus, so the assumption that NM cant modify system files because it runs
> as user is not true, thats all i wanted to point out ...
> 
> ciao
> 	oli

This is referring to the 12.04.2 LTS livedvd, "ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-
amd64.iso" and is the screen presented just a few seconds after syslinux 
checks in.  No  apparent, or working connection to the install icon on the 
screen once its fully booted.

Cheers, Gene
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