firefox, trackers and ghostery

Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.bell at
Thu Jul 18 07:10:33 UTC 2013

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Robert Holtzman <holtzm at> wrote:

> I think several people on this list, including you, are missing the
> central point. Read the 5th Amendment. The right to remain silent
> extends to everyday life, not just a police interrogation. When a
> merchant asks for my information, it's my right, and I frequently
> exercise it, to refuse to supply it. You don't have that ability with
> trackers (or for that matter with the NSA). The *right* is the point,
> not the information.

Okay, let's do just that.  Let's read the 5th Amendment.  Here's the text
of the 5th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against
himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process
of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just

I'm having a really hard time seeing how the above covers your "everyday
life" interactions with merchants and businesses.  Do you have a "right" to
not give your information to a merchant?  Sure.  And they can reciprocate
by exercising their "right" to not do business with you.  What the heck
does that have to do with the 5th Amendment?

You've said this is the "central point."  Let's mention that again.  The
"_central_ point."  Surely you have some sort of justification for this
view of yours, that the 5th Amendment extends to your everyday interactions
with the business community, that should, in theory, make sense to
someone.  How, exactly, do you draw that line from point A (the actual
text) to point B (this nonsensical opinion of yours)?


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