Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list

Sharl.Jimh.Tsin amoiz.shine at gmail.com
Thu Sep 29 08:11:10 UTC 2011


在 2011-09-29四的 17:26 +1000,Basil Chupin写道:
> On 29/09/11 16:23, Ric Moore wrote:
> > On 09/28/2011 11:13 PM, Sharl.Jimh.Tsin wrote:
> >> 在 2011-09-28三的 17:48 -0700,NoOp写é“:
> >>> Culled from the recent threads via Alan Pope regarding '[Admin]
> >>> Additional moderator':
> >>>
> >>> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:00
> >>> Shuttleworth states that they should just shut the Ubuntu users list
> >>> down (Mark Shuttleworth is 'sabdfl'[1]:
> >>> :
> >>> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:10
> >>> [aiee, we should just shut that baby down]
> >>> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:44
> >>> [i'm happy to take the shutdown bullets on -users]
> >>> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:45
> >>> [even if it's of the 'last chance, fred's agreed to moderate, if (s)he
> >>> gives up, we shut down the list']
> >>>
> >>> Given the past results from the Sounder list I reckon that this list is
> >>> probably on it's last legs (IMO). And before anyone here ask: no I 
> >>> don't
> >>> plan to volunteer to be a moderator... I get enough flack already for
> >>> being a quasi-listmom on occasion.
> >>>
> >>> So if any of you wish to object to the benevolent founder comments a 
> >>> the
> >>> last Community Council meeting, you can login to the upcoming one to
> >>> voice your opinion:
> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
> >>> "The next meeting is scheduled for 4th October 2011, 21:00 UTC and will
> >>> be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.ubuntu.com."
> >>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20111004T21
> >>>
> >>> Have at it& good luck. I reckon that I'll start spending more time on
> >>> non-Ubuntu lists& newsgroups.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance
> >>> <quote>
> >>> SABDFL
> >>>
> >>> This is not a democracy, it's a meritocracy. We try to operate more on
> >>> consensus than on votes, seeking agreement from the people who will 
> >>> have
> >>> to do the work. Mark Shuttleworth, as self-appointed benevolent 
> >>> dictator
> >>> for life (SABDFL), plays a happily undemocratic role as sponsor of the
> >>> project. He has the ability, with regard to Canonical employees, to ask
> >>> people to work on specific projects, specific feature goals and 
> >>> specific
> >>> bugs.
> >>>
> >>> He also has a casting vote on the Technical Board and Community 
> >>> Council,
> >>> should it come to a vote. This capacity is not used lightly. The
> >>> community functions best when it can reach broad consensus about a way
> >>> forward. However, it is not uncommon in the open-source world for there
> >>> to be multiple good arguments, no clear consensus, and for arguments to
> >>> divide communities rather than enrich them. The argument absorbs the
> >>> energy that might otherwise have gone towards the creation of a
> >>> solution. In many cases, there is no one 'right' answer, and what is
> >>> needed is a decision more than a debate. The sabdfl acts to provide
> >>> clear leadership on difficult issues, and set the pace for the project.
> >>> </quote>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> that's bad.
> >
> > That just means that in the end, it's his toys and he can go home with 
> > 'em. I can buy that. I personally think he's making a very bad 
> > BUSINESS decision though. ALL of his users can't be gearheads. If I 
> > had my way about it, he'd have over 3 million inmates as new users... 
> > try telling them they're not valued. <chuckles> I can see it now... oh 
> > hell.
> >
> > Maybe we should just fork and call it "Crowbar Linux".
> >
> > "Hack our site, we won't snitch.
> > We'll find you and we'll break your knees with a crowbar."
> >
> > Heh! That has a certain éclat.
> >
> > My point is that if Ubuntu doesn't attract "others" then we're not in 
> > the thick of the Bazaar. Instead, we're in the Cathedral. If that is 
> > where Mark wants to be, then I have nothing but pity for him, as he 
> > will at some point realize that a terrible mistake in judgment has 
> > overtaken him. It happens to the best of us, but getting back towards 
> > redemption from our mistakes is such a bitch, best to be avoided in 
> > the first place ...if we're not to hardheaded to listen to others. 
> > It's a tricky world out there. :) Ric
> 
> OK, one final post in contradiction to what I wrote in another thread a 
> few minutes ago.
> 
> *WHAT* exactly is so damn special about ubuntu that so much attention is 
> being given it, and someone like yourself (and not meaning for you take 
> offence at what I say) have to write the above?
> 
> ubuntu is nothing more than another Linux distro and which is now in the 
> process of going belly-up.
> 
> There is NOTHING special about it.
> 
> Whatever "specialty" characteristics it may have or may have had are 
> only those in the minds of those who use it and who keep pushing it akin 
> to the religious zealots who push their religious beliefs.
> 
> Please point to me which other Linux distro cannot provide the ease of 
> use and features which ubuntu now provides?
> 
> "Ah", you now say. "but it has Unity and it has [a castrated version of] 
> gnome!".
> 
> That's it?!
> 
> The Linux distros are an incestuous family. As it now happens, ubuntu is 
> now producing a very deformed offspring.
> 
> BC
> 

but In drivers of device,ubuntu is better indeed to the others GNU/Linux
distros, isn't it?

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Sharl.Jimh.Tsin (From China **Obviously Taiwan INCLUDED**)

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