Unfair competition

[Edward avanti]

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Ernest Doub <hideserted at gmail.com> wrote:

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>> what rubbish, you would find that google is a great reference for
>> problems,
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> Some [most] people don't know how to phrase a search to turn up meaningful
> assistance.
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and thats this lists memberships problem how?


> a lot of whats here is trolling, no, most of what is here is trolling,
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> Really?  I guess you missed the majority of those posts that are 10 or more
> lines of logfiles and the back and forth questions and answers trying to
> sort things out, sometimes across linguistic barriers.
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I see you are yet to comprehend the difference between "most" and "all", I
am prepared to educater you, if you forgive my not so perfect english, but
you may not forgive me when I tell you the fees for this service



> there are many other lists of help, even redhat lists,
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> Some [most] of the newer users of Ubuntu  don't understand the similarities
> to the various "flavors" of Linux.  They were introduced to Ubuntu and that
> is all they know, coming from a Microsoft(tm) environment where there is a
> linear progression of software and no breadth.
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If they did some readsearch they'd know, given most did so in their own free
accord because like most they are sick of microsoft failures most would be
aware of choices


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>> never hread the saying " if you abuse it, you lose it" ?
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> Ever heard the expression "No pain, No gain"?
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I learned that at gym classes in school a great many decades ago


> I understand that the bulk of the money to pay for what requires money for
> Ubuntu to fly comes from one source.  I also understand that the one source
> has yet to see a dimes worth of monetary return for his
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This amuses me, all ubuntu is, is debian rebadged, majority of package
maintainers are same, all ubuntu is, is a trade mark name, and a service by
a company for website and offering support. ubuntu contributes nothing to
linux kernel, debian contributesd a small bit, SuSe a fair bit and Redhat a
lot, given most people obtain from ftp mirrors or torrents bandwith high is
not needed, infact ubuntu hq only has a single 100mbit link to internet,
shared off canonicals office network. (fact as of 2010, maybe they got
200mbit now, maybe not)



> investment. I'm sure that he is very frustrated with the blowups and temper
> tantrums that are occurring here.
> Every one of them is another bruise or black eye to the business he is
> attempting to develop.
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the money they make is in support, so they be happy to vanish lists and get
more people pay for help.



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>> at work I agree my boss wont let me talk to customers, he thinks its
>> punishment  think its all my christmases come at once :D
>> and outside of work I have plenty great friends socialise with every
>> weekend and sometimes  during week, so your perception is rather 1980s  geek
>> V jock   'n all...
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>> Taking your response as a whole I can understand why your boss doesn't
> want you to talk to customers.  He's afraid you will break the relationships
> that pay the bills.
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No its because systems engineers are not customer support representative.
CSR need to be polite and bow down to idiot clients, system admin and
network admin not so.



> Which is why you don't even understand what I said.  You have not developed
> the social skills necessary to deal with the "Joe Lunchbox" class users.
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 no I have not because I do not wish to be a customer support
representative, I do what I do best and thats keep my company host servers
online 24/7, all 202 of them. I leave the hand holding to the CSR department
thats what THEY get paid to do.


oh and as I do not know you, I do not care what you think about me, if you
knew me you would eat those words, but again, i have not carred what
anonymous gooses online think since, well, before the internet.


> There have been several suggestions made as to how to divert the
> non-technical talk without wrecking this technical mailing list.  Until
> somebody sets up a list to discuss the issue off this list [thereby solving
> the
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there should be no non technical talk here, there are thousands of social
lists/forums/irc channels out there. why should canonical provide one more.


> problem] there is no alternative but to put the discussion here.  Unless
> you consider shutting the list down completely a viable solution?
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shuting down the list, could mean the bandwith and hardware resources
allocated to far better more productive
 manor, its why many ISP's no longer run news servers, all those petabytes
are better off being part of a redundant mail storage array than being a
home to warez pups and porn freaks



>> I note that you have taken a lot of time to respond to this thread.  I
> don't see your name nearly so often as a responder to the technical
> questions.
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welcome to the real world of lists
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