The problem ubuntu/canonical needs to address

arif tuhin etothepowerpi at hotmail.com
Sat Jun 4 08:30:35 UTC 2011




> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 03:11:02 -0500
> From: jordon at envygeeks.com
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: The problem ubuntu/canonical needs to address
> 
> On 6/4/2011 1:53 AM, arif tuhin wrote:
> > I was talking about a seamless upgrade process which dabian has. Most of
> > the times you cant upgrade ubuntu without breaking something along the
> > way. I always had issues. Yes those issues can be solved. Most of the
> > issues solve themselves in next update/patches. But this is ok when i'm
> > using it at home, not ok for a production environment. The reason behind
> > this breaking random stuff is related to the too much tweaking of the
> > basic stack. Where as distros like debian/centos plays conservative,
> > ubuntu plays more like fedora. But the design choices of fedora are
> > fundamentally different from ubuntu (Freedom,*First* Vs Linux for *human
> > beings *:)). To achieve a business adoption i guess ubuntu should follow
> > a more conservative path in turms of adoption of new technology.
> 
> Using non-LTS Ubuntu release and then complaining about breakage on it
> from upgrade to upgrade is like standing on the train tracks and
> watching the bullet train come at you head on.  Don't forget to wave to
> it right before it smacks you.
> 
> TL; DR: Use LTS, it's there for a reason. "LTS" == "Debian style stable"
> 
> Your entire argument is invalidated by this: LTS.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
> Furthermore, we define the LTS to be:
>   * Enterprise Focused: ...moderately risk averse.
>   * More Tested: ...shorten development ... more testing and bug fixing.
> 
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Actually i have one Xen VM which was upgraded from hardy to Lucid and refused startX :). Although it was minor issue , solved after applying a patch to xorg libraries.
Another problem regarding online upgrade which is not ubuntu's fault is many mirrors stays behind/not properly synced the master mirror. Some times it gives a false scenario when someone is upgrading. You may
think you are updated and ready to jump distribution, but in practice couple of your packages will surely break. It happened to me once. My local mirror was shipping new iso, but the erlier version packages were behind by two weeks. After i upgraded it broke gnome panel and compiz. After some tweaking it was ok.
 		 	   		  
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