Deja Vu all over again!

[Liam Proven]

On 2 July 2011 20:05, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 10:58 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 2 July 2011 03:34, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 13:12 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>> >> On 1 July 2011 12:57, Ben Darby <bendarb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > * Liam Proven (lproven at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >> >> On 1 July 2011 07:31, Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On 07/01/2011 01:23 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Heh, I certainly believe in acupuncture and bee stings for relief for
>> >> >> >> arthritis, as they have worked for me. Millions of others do too... but
>> >> >> >> they're all just ~gullible~ Chinese, who will shortly own us all.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've only been to the chiropractor once and I've done acupuncture once too
>> >> >> > and each time I walked out of the place feeling ready to take on the entire
>> >> >> > world.  Especially with the chiropractor because he certainly showed me that
>> >> >> > my back really was messed up from sitting improperly in my chair for so long
>> >> >> > everyday, I didn't even know it was messed up until I I could the
>> >> >> > difference.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It wasn't messed up. Chiropractors are charlatans; all backs creak
>> >> >> like that, it's normal. I am sure most believer fervently in what they
>> >> >> do, but it's bogus.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Acupuncture cures nothing, *but* the transient placebo effect does
>> >> >> provide pain relief. Needles stuck in at random will do this, though,
>> >> >> as will fake needles, sugar pills and saline injections. It's just
>> >> >> flim-flam. All the stuff about "meridians" and "qi" is nonsense.
>> >> >
>> >> > And you're concerned about people spreading misinformation...
>> >>
>> >> I can produce solid evidence that these statements are true. They are
>> >> objective, demonstrable fact.
>> >
>> > Demonstrable how?
>>
>> I'm not going to touch the mysticism stuff, which for now can't be
>> proved either way.]
>>
>> Complementary medicine, though, can, simply and readily, by randomised
>> controlled trials. Check out the work of Professor Edzard Ernst, the
>> world's first professor of complementary medicine, who spent his
>> career devising scientific investigations of this stuff and to his
>> amazement and initial horror found that in almost every form of
>> "treatment" there is no effect at all, or just an effect
>> indistinguishable from placebo.
>>
>> CAM is a scam. There's nothing to it. A chat with a sympathetic ear
>> does just as much good.
>
> We agree then. Whatever one perceives is one's reality. :) Ric

What?

No. Absolutely not. There is only 1 reality & perceptions or beliefs
do not affect it in any way.

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