Natty 11.04 - nearly like 10.10!

Ric Moore wayward4now at
Fri Jul 1 06:10:26 UTC 2011

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:53 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: 
> On 27 June 2011 09:41, Stephen Kuhn <yank.down.under at> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 03:19 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>
> >> > This gives you a strong aroma of neophobia & as such not someone I'd
> >> > trust to run my systems, I \have to tell you.
> >>
> >> Damn Stephen, there it is. You got told! I'd be weeping in my oatmeal.
> >> And, you're King Cnut'ish as well. Damn... a public service announcement
> >> from Liam over your personal preference for the old style gnome desktop.
> >> Well, I wouldn't let you near my system either, I happen to prefer KDE3.
> >> Oh hell, I'll have to go shoot myself now. :) Ric
> >
> > Well, if I constantly and consistently deliver something that, for
> > nearly the past ten years, looks exactly the same, um, from a stupid
> > end-user perspective, am I not doing what I promised in the beginning?
> > Ha. Stick that in yer "progressive" pipe and smoke it! ;)
> I have no idea what you promised. If you promised consistency, then
> the users should be on LTS releases & none of this is an issue.
> If you promised to help people run Ubuntu, then you are doing them a
> grave disservice if you give them some hand-rolled custom setup that
> is unlike anything else out there, because if you get run over by a
> bus tomorrow, nobody else will be able to support it... And if they
> install their own machines, or use someone else's, they will be lost
> because it won't be like the standard system.
> This is a lesson I learned myself, over the same time in the same
> business as you, and it was hard. You stick to the defaults unless you
> have a *damned* good reason. "I don't like the new look" is *not* a
> damned good reason, it's a lousy one.

Or, maybe Stephen knows his customers preferences and delivers to them
what they want, which makes it a damned good reason. Why are you
slamming him? 

I haven't seen one single standard setup that comes ~close~ to suiting
my needs yet and I always change it to suit me. If some group insisted
on the old KDE StarTrek theme, so that their desktop looked like Spock's
workstation, and wanted to pay me to set it up like that and maintain
it, then Unity would scare the beejesus out of me, as it might interfere
with my cash flow. I just don't get how you can make such a judgment
call, without being privy to his business relationship and plans with
his customers. Ric

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 

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