<OT> ubuntu bad press
wayward4now at gmail.com
Fri Aug 26 02:57:13 UTC 2011
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 18:41 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 00:40 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> > Seems Ubuntu is getting kicked around in the online media.
> > http://www.technewsworld.com/story/72773.html
> > One thing I have to agree with is that when you dink with your userbase,
> > it's a recipe for disaster. My peeve is that the LTS version isn't
> > getting package upgrades to some key applications. Sun Java is falling
> > way behind in release upgrades. The standard Firefox package for 10.4
> > has mold on it. I don't want to rely on personal repo's in order to get
> > a recent package... I'd feel more secure if they were vetted into the
> > Universe, or whatever. Just' saying I'm having a bad hair day, finding
> > that I have to go outside the usual channels to get something updated.
> > Myself, I'd rather see what we have be more rock solid and up to date
> > than to turn my desktop into a wannabe fondle slab. Canonical is really
> > going out on a limb with un-asked for improvements. People left Fedora
> > in droves to come here, after RedHat went past the point of audience
> > participation. I pray that Uncle Mark keeps his eyes on this
> > intellectual child of his. I love what Ubuntu has stood for.
> > My two cents, Ric
> first off... opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one but they often
> produce stuff that stinks. Really, does it actually matter what some
> people - and I wouldn't say anything resembling a significant number.
> secondly, you really need to get your expectations in check or at least
> a better understanding of what you're using and why. The whole entire
> point of using an LTS is to prefer stability over the latest updates and
> thus, having older versions of some things, including core things like
> Firefox is the point. If you were forced to get the latest/greatest
> Firefox, you would find that many extensions don't work. You always have
> to decide where you want to be on the food chain and if you want the
> latest/greatest, then don't stick with the LTS - there is an 'apt-get
> dist-upgrade' option.
> As for distribution philosophy, regardless of what you think you want,
> Ubuntu for all purposes mirrors what Red Hat does. The LTS releases are
> fewer and farther between like RHEL releases and they are designed for
> servers and for people who just want a computer to use that is stable
> and not changing. The other releases on Ubuntu are like Fedora... quick
> releases designed to push development faster (release early and often).
> While this sometimes has unintended consequences, it's only when the
> rollouts reach a larger audience with a larger variety of hardware that
> the bugs get squashed. This also means that those who use the current
> releases should be reporting bugs through the official channels. If you
> are not up to that, stick with the stable LTS releases and you have a
> reasonable OS.
> What's more troubling than the rants of a web blogger/reporter is the
> rather inane chatter on the mail lists, including those given to
> excessive list mom behavior where swatting people for top posting, html
> posting is pounced upon like a sport. A simple nudge is sufficient and
> let it go. I really dislike seeing the chatter go on especially to
> reinforce some really unneeded list mom behavior.
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My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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