Getting rid of Unity?

[chris]

On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 01:48 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
> On 05/01/2011 12:40 AM, Pastor JW wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:12:42 am Gilles Gravier wrote:
> >
> >> The option I'm considering is KDE.
> >
> > A good option, that is what I use, BUT, remember back to 8.04 when KDE3 moved
> > to KDE4?  It seemed Gnome users just laughed at all our problems and suggested
> > we move to Gnome.  I said then just wait till the new edition of gnome which
> > was already in the works to replace Gnome 2.  I think Unity, although quite
> > rough yet, leapfrogs Gnome 3 in actual function.  I'd also suspect by next
> > release to see alot of the faults we are finding now with the larger user base
> > to be addressed just like it was for KDE4 .  Several have stated that they are
> > moving to a different distro.  However, what they are doing is just postponing
> > the inevitable!  The lagging distros are set to make this type of move too!
> >
> >
> 
> JW (pastor, really?), I've been silent on this because I use kde (but 
> I'll try out gnome3/unity someday) so I'll just comment on your message 
> on kde3-->kde4.
> 
> I think Douglas Knapp put it very well in his recent post and I have 
> nothing more to add to his.
> 
> But I think it is unfair that you mentioned gnome users laughed at us; 
> it is the kubuntu users who left that laughed at us. While I do not 
> blame them for leaving as kde4.0 was really unusable, and there was no 
> option to revert back, it was really not a laughing matter. I've kept 
> using my 8.04 for at 2 years (and testing newer versions and other 
> distros) until I was satisfied kde4 has reached the level of usability 
> (at kde4.2.3; it's now 4.6.2 and as good as 3.5.10 with extra eye 
> candies and other unnecessary widgets/plasmoids which I do not use).
> 
> There is a broader lesson here. While I hope unity is going to be much 
> better and there is an option to use 'classic' (albeit slightly not 
> gnome2), the lack of "community-camaraderie" in explaining or "selling" 
> the reasons of the change can be improved.
> 
> After all, we feel more than just consumers, we are "community" and 
> expect to be treated as such. While consumers will walk away, community 
> will stomp off in disgust. I suspect former kubuntu users will not 
> return not because kde4 is not better now, but they had avowed never to 
> return (sorry for triple negatives, for emphasis, see). Communities can 
> accept mistakes but not be slighted.
> 
> Furthermore, the handling of the shutdown of Sounder, however valid that 
> some posts are 'off the mark', is further perceived as the lack of 
> respect to the community. (Popey, no personal offense here, you're fine 
> in my book).
> 
> 
> Lastly (since I'm on a roll here), even on this technical list, the 
> calls of [OT] like - this is not ubuntu-related, ask on the firefox 
> list, the thunderbird list, the ubootnetin list,  go to sounder...gives 
> the image that we are all .....(well, I still cannot find the right word).
> 
> Cheers :)  - Goh Lip (reverend? not)
> 
> 

+1 the kiwi