Oh, please, please, COME ON Ubuntu development people!

[Liam Proven]

On 21 April 2011 17:04, Jim Byrnes <jf_byrnes at comcast.net> wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> Well, Sounder /was/ the place - but since it's gone now, there is a
>> new, non-Ubuntu Sounder list. It's here:
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:54 AM, John McCabe-Dansted
>> http://groups.google.com/group/bikeshed
>>
>> Do please come and join us there!
>>
>
> I've seen many references to Sounder but never went there. What exactly was
> Sounder and why was it shutdown?

Ubuntu Sounder was the place for non-support-related discussion about
Ubuntu and Linux in general.

After a recent thread expressing dissatisfaction with the forthcoming
Unity desktop GUI, I suggested that Linux Mint might be a suitable
alternative for those who did not want Unity but liked Ubuntu and
classic Gnome.

Some people suggested that we should not use or support Mint because
the developer of Mint, Clem Lefebvre, has previously expressed
anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian sentiments, for which he was widely
criticised.

This, by the sort of majestic inevitability that gave us Godwin's Law
(q.v. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law ) let to a
discussion on the difference between Israel as a nation-state and
Israel as the notional collective identity of all Jewish people, which
became a spirited debate on the nature of religion.

Alan Pope did not approve of this and took a motion to some kind of
IRC-based Ubuntu council meeting of which I've never even heard and
rather than impose moderation on the list or anything, they just
closed the Sounder list down. I have been vocal in my criticism of him
for this - he and I have known each other for a long time - and my
comments have been highlighted as examples of the sort of messages
which are regarded as not in the Ubuntu spirit and the reason they
closed the list.

It seems to me that one cannot have a community and discussions
without occasionally having to call someone out and tell them that
they are being stupid or unreasonable. We can all be stupid and
unreasonable at times.

In time I shall probably be banned from these lists, as well.

Anyway... This is very offtopic!

The new sounder list, the Bikeshed, is free and open for all, and we
welcome anyone who would like to come and discuss Ubuntu, Linux and
anything arising therefrom.

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