[OT] Not all Mint developers suck (Was: Mint developers sucks (Was: Switching a friend to Ubuntu))

[Jozsef]

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:55:36 +0400, Amedee Van Gasse (ub)  
<amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be> wrote:

> On Thu, January 21, 2010 07:54, Jozsef wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:56:56 +0400, Andrew Farris <flyindragon1 at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 19:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>>>> One of the developers of Linux Mint personally insulted me and my
>>>> nation. He also specifically asked that we do not use Linux Mint. I
>>>> really don't know why he releases his software under the GPL, then,
>>>> but in any case I will respect his wishes and not use his software.
>>>> Nor do I recommend it to others.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know what happened, ad I've recently
>>> been considering using Mint, but I dont want to get involved with a
>>> community that likes to ostracize users (thats what MS is for). If  
>>> you'd
>>> prefer, you can email me off-list to continue that particular
>>> discussion... and if you don't want to, that's also fine. Let me know.
>
> I'm playing the advocate's devil here. :)
>
> Question: how many developers does the Mint project have?
> If the answer is one, then logically all Mint developers suck.
> If the answer is more than one, and only one of them really suck, does
> that mean that all others also suck? If they don't all suck, or if even
> one of them doesn't suck, then isn't it prejudice to write "Mint
> developers suck"? The Mint project isn't a nation or an ethnic group or a
> religion, but I can imagine that a close knit group of people working on
> the same project may appear that way to the outside world.
>

Right. The subject would work better in singular.

> What is the difference with saying that women shouldn't use Ubuntu  
> because
> Marc Shuttleworth made a derogatory comment on girls? he really did that,
> once, some time ago, and maybe it was quoted out of context. I don't  
> know,
> I only read about the outrage of some feminists (male&female) but I
> couldn't find the original interview.
>
> Talking about prejudices and condemning a whole group based on a few
> individuals, isn't there a fairy tale about some city that was going to  
> be
> destructed because of all the bad people in it, but that the destruction
> wasn't going to happen if a certain quotum of good people was met? I  
> think
> that the main character even negotiated about lowering the quotum. I just
> can't remember what the story was called or from which mythology it
> came...
>

They are not so many as citizens of a city. And if, being only few, they  
don't have anything against that "one" who is "bad" then I think the rest  
of them are not too different as well. I'm serious. I can put myself in  
the position of their leader, for example. And if I'm the boss, I'm  
responsible for the whole project. If something doesn't works well (or  
going wrong) I should loose it in order to keep everything clean and to  
continue with development...
The story is coming from Bible and it is not a mythology:
"...
And the LORD said, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and  
their sin is exceedingly grave.
"I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its  
outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know."
Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham  
was still standing before the LORD.
Abraham came near and said, "Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with  
the wicked?
"Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep  
it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who  
are in it?
"Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the  
wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it  
 from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?"
So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city,  
then I will spare the whole place on their account."
And Abraham replied, "Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord,  
although I am but dust and ashes.
"Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole  
city because of five?" And He said, "I will not destroy it if I find  
forty-five there."
He spoke to Him yet again and said, "Suppose forty are found there?" And  
He said, "I will not do it on account of the forty."
Then he said, "Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose  
thirty are found there?" And He said, "I will not do it if I find thirty  
there."
And he said, "Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose  
twenty are found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy it on account of  
the twenty."
Then he said, "Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this  
once; suppose ten are found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy it on  
account of the ten."
..."
And you know what happened? There were not even 10 of them righteous and  
God destroyed the cities :(


>> "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has
>> come..."
>> Revelation 14:7
>
> Uhmmm... if I am a satanist and I use Ubuntu Satanic Edition, wouldn't  
> the
> above be an insult to me? I'm just trying to have an open mind and look  
> at
> everything from more than one perspective. (I'm not a satanist.)
>

It wouldn't be an insult. It's an invitation. Invitation of love.

-- 
Best,
Jozsef

"Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has  
come..."
Revelation 14:7