This used to be a great list

[chris]

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 18:54 -0700, daniel mcfarland wrote:
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> 
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Karl Larsen <klarsen1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         
>         On 08/24/2010 03:53 PM, ms wrote:
>         > On 24/08/10 19:43, daniel mcfarland wrote:
>         >
>         >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Jordon
>         Bedwell<jordon at envygeeks.com>wrote:
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>>    On 8/24/2010 12:50 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>>> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:23 -0700, daniel mcfarland
>         wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>>      I disagree.  This has never been a good list.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>> I haven't seen anyone go begging for assistance on this
>         list. Ever. Ric
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>> I have to agree, most of what this list contains is
>         simplistic issues
>         >>> and opinion searches.
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>         >>     I agree.  I'd wager that about 99.999999% of these
>         topics and questions
>         >> could be answered
>         >>     just by doing a bit of googling.
>         >>
>         >>     IMHO, it would probably be more productive to teach the
>         people that ask
>         >> these questions
>         >>     how to google rather than to propagate the idiocy of
>         asking when you
>         >> should be looking.
>         >>
>         >>
>         > Could not agree more.
>         >
>         > I was used to the Gentoo user mailing list. The technical
>         level on that
>         > list is vastly superior, the answers are usually much more
>         knowledgeable
>         > and precise, and the discussion offers much more insight.
>         The Debian
>         > mailing list is also similar.
>         >
>         > Gentoo however is a peculiar beast, suited to such an
>         audience. I fully
>         > understand that Ubuntu caters to a different, much less
>         skilled
>         > audience, and it is a proof of its success that people like,
>         ehm, our 73
>         > friend can nonetheless use it successfully.
>         >
>         > However this doesn't justify dumbing down the level of the
>         list. That's
>         > why in the other thread I advocated banning an user from the
>         list. Not
>         > because I have anything personal against the user in
>         question, nor
>         > because *I* don't want to read the messages (something that
>         a simple
>         > filter on my end can do), but because it pollutes the level
>         of the list.
>         >
>         > We should be less shy of telling people to learn searching
>         the
>         > information they need, and we should sometimes even answer
>         STFG or RTFM,
>         > like in the old way. That's how people learns. We should
>         teach people to
>         > learn, first. And we shouldn't be shy of keeping the list
>         level high,
>         > even if sometimes this means pruning some particularly
>         pollutant user or
>         > if it means to refuse to answer a question when it can be
>         answered by
>         > simple googling.
>         >
>         > m.
>         >
>         >
>         
>                 You can sum up this long message with "shoot Karl" and
>         tell
>         everyone to stop complaining and use Google. This sounds fine
>         but it has
>         flaws, like some new users can't use Google. You need to Help
>         them!
>         
>         
>         73 Karl
>         
>         
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>   ZOMG if you can't use google you shouldn't have a keyboard.
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Just my 2c's worth
Cheers the kiwi