This used to be a great list

[daniel mcfarland]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Karl Larsen <klarsen1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 08/24/2010 03:53 PM, ms wrote:
> > On 24/08/10 19:43, daniel mcfarland wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Jordon Bedwell<jordon at envygeeks.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>    On 8/24/2010 12:50 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:23 -0700, daniel mcfarland wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>      I disagree.  This has never been a good list.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I haven't seen anyone go begging for assistance on this list. Ever.
> Ric
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I have to agree, most of what this list contains is simplistic issues
> >>> and opinion searches.
> >>>
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> >>     I agree.  I'd wager that about 99.999999% of these topics and
> questions
> >> could be answered
> >>     just by doing a bit of googling.
> >>
> >>     IMHO, it would probably be more productive to teach the people that
> ask
> >> these questions
> >>     how to google rather than to propagate the idiocy of asking when you
> >> should be looking.
> >>
> >>
> > Could not agree more.
> >
> > I was used to the Gentoo user mailing list. The technical level on that
> > list is vastly superior, the answers are usually much more knowledgeable
> > and precise, and the discussion offers much more insight. The Debian
> > mailing list is also similar.
> >
> > Gentoo however is a peculiar beast, suited to such an audience. I fully
> > understand that Ubuntu caters to a different, much less skilled
> > audience, and it is a proof of its success that people like, ehm, our 73
> > friend can nonetheless use it successfully.
> >
> > However this doesn't justify dumbing down the level of the list. That's
> > why in the other thread I advocated banning an user from the list. Not
> > because I have anything personal against the user in question, nor
> > because *I* don't want to read the messages (something that a simple
> > filter on my end can do), but because it pollutes the level of the list.
> >
> > We should be less shy of telling people to learn searching the
> > information they need, and we should sometimes even answer STFG or RTFM,
> > like in the old way. That's how people learns. We should teach people to
> > learn, first. And we shouldn't be shy of keeping the list level high,
> > even if sometimes this means pruning some particularly pollutant user or
> > if it means to refuse to answer a question when it can be answered by
> > simple googling.
> >
> > m.
> >
> >
>          You can sum up this long message with "shoot Karl" and tell
> everyone to stop complaining and use Google. This sounds fine but it has
> flaws, like some new users can't use Google. You need to Help them!
>
>
> 73 Karl
>
>
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