This used to be a great list

[Karl Larsen]

On 08/24/2010 03:53 PM, ms wrote:
> On 24/08/10 19:43, daniel mcfarland wrote:
>    
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Jordon Bedwell<jordon at envygeeks.com>wrote:
>>
>>      
>>>    On 8/24/2010 12:50 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>>>        
>>>> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:23 -0700, daniel mcfarland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>>      I disagree.  This has never been a good list.
>>>>>            
>>>> I haven't seen anyone go begging for assistance on this list. Ever. Ric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> I have to agree, most of what this list contains is simplistic issues
>>> and opinion searches.
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>>     I agree.  I'd wager that about 99.999999% of these topics and questions
>> could be answered
>>     just by doing a bit of googling.
>>
>>     IMHO, it would probably be more productive to teach the people that ask
>> these questions
>>     how to google rather than to propagate the idiocy of asking when you
>> should be looking.
>>
>>      
> Could not agree more.
>
> I was used to the Gentoo user mailing list. The technical level on that
> list is vastly superior, the answers are usually much more knowledgeable
> and precise, and the discussion offers much more insight. The Debian
> mailing list is also similar.
>
> Gentoo however is a peculiar beast, suited to such an audience. I fully
> understand that Ubuntu caters to a different, much less skilled
> audience, and it is a proof of its success that people like, ehm, our 73
> friend can nonetheless use it successfully.
>
> However this doesn't justify dumbing down the level of the list. That's
> why in the other thread I advocated banning an user from the list. Not
> because I have anything personal against the user in question, nor
> because *I* don't want to read the messages (something that a simple
> filter on my end can do), but because it pollutes the level of the list.
>
> We should be less shy of telling people to learn searching the
> information they need, and we should sometimes even answer STFG or RTFM,
> like in the old way. That's how people learns. We should teach people to
> learn, first. And we shouldn't be shy of keeping the list level high,
> even if sometimes this means pruning some particularly pollutant user or
> if it means to refuse to answer a question when it can be answered by
> simple googling.
>
> m.
>
>    
         You can sum up this long message with "shoot Karl" and tell 
everyone to stop complaining and use Google. This sounds fine but it has 
flaws, like some new users can't use Google. You need to Help them!


73 Karl


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