Karl - grub2 and ext2/ext3/ext4

[Ric Moore]

On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:20 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:39 PM, chris <chevhq at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 18:13 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> >> On 08/11/2010 03:32 PM, Tom H wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 06:27 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> >> >>>          It's a shame that Ubuntu version 10.04 works so well. You
> >> >>> install, update and then just use it. Maybe this is because it is a LTS
> >> >>> version?
> >> >>
> >> >> Generally yes it's because it's LTS.
> >> >
> >> > I saw a post before 10.04 was published by a Ubuntu developer who, in
> >> > replying to whether a certain version of an application would be
> >> > included, said that given that 10.04 was an LTS version, they were
> >> > being more conservative than for other releases.
> >> >
> >> > That said, I don't think that LTS can be considered "stable" in the
> >> > same way that Debian and Red Hat publish stable versions, simply
> >> > because an LTS edition is much more cutting edge when it is published
> >> > than a Debian or Red Hat stable edition.
> >>
> >> Given the issues with 10.04 I don't think that LTS can be considered
> >> "stable" in *any* way past 8.04.
> >
> > and this is the weakness with the ubuntu system  the insane rush to
> > produce a "new" version every 6 months, when most users want bugs fixed
> > and stability.
> > Don't know how we get this through to them
> 
> It isn't an insane rush. Fedora has the same schedule and users seem
> to expect it.

Fedora users know from the get-go (or at least should know) that their
distro is nothing more than a beta-test bed for RHEL. Stuff breaks
routinely, and that is an accepted way  of life there. 
> It is a weakness of Ubuntu users to believe that LTS == stable!

It is the promise of Mark Shuttleworth that Ubuntu was to be a stable
experience and promised not to become another Fedora. It's why I first
signed on. I had just one too many breakages with Fedora, and the insane
rate of development, that we never had before during the Bob Young days.
Me, I want to USE my computer / OS and not have it use me. :) Ric