Binary incompatibility of Linux distributions

[Matt Harrison]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:39 PM, marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:

> Florian Diesch said:
>
> > marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Florian Diesch said:
> >>
> >>> marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Franz Waldmüller said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> marc schrieb:
> >>>>>   > I run kde, mainly. A few days ago I noticed that when I run
> >>>>>   > nautilus in
> >>>>>> kde, and then delete the app, it creates a background task,
> >>>>>> x-nautilus- desktop - and leaves it there. This is what I consider
> >>>>>> bloat. It also happens that this bg task causes enormous slowdowns
> >>>>>> to kde and some ugly side effects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> try to modify your starter. use this command: nautilus --no-desktop
> >>>>
> >>>> But what happens when nautilus is called from krunner? I can't expect
> >>>> all kde users to do this all the time, and a change can't be made at
> >>>> the system level, as these are multiuser machines. So, this isn't a
> >>>> fix.
> >>>
> >>> Change /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop in gconf
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> This appear to be a user-level setting. It also seems to work, so it's
> >> good to have a workaround to this bug.
> >>
> >> Do you know whether this is an Ubuntu bug or comes from upstream; just
> >> so I know where to raise the bug, since raising it against KDE is
> >> unlikely to prove successful. Thanks.
> >
> > It not a bug.
>
> When you run a file manager, it should not trash the display manager.
>
> That's a bug.
>
> The fact that it silently installs a background process that negatively
> impacts the system is also a bug.
>
> >>>> The thing is completely broken in a multiuser system, imo. This
> >>>> should be fixed. It's a bug. And a nasty one.
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>
> >> As I see it, Gnome/Ubuntu have combined the file browser and the
> >> desktop, just like Microsoft did with Windows to huge criticism.
> >
> > I don't know about Windows. In Gnome the default desktop is a slightly
> > special view of the folder ~/Desktop so it's reasonable to use Nautilus
> > here.
>
> Sure, but it must be done so with care. Nautilus isn't doing this. It's
> saying, I'll assume I'm in gnome and to hell with the rest of you; I'll
> do whatever I want.
>
> >> Given there's a option available which would prevent KDE users from
> >> experiencing severe problems, I would expect Ubuntu to be a good
> >> citizen and ensure that the feature is switched off;
>
> > You just have to switch it off if you don't like it.
>
> No. Nautilus should be a good citizen. It should either determine that it
> is in gnome and do whatever it require, or determine otherwise and no
> trample over someone's system. It should not be left to the user to
> circumvent nautilus' antisocial behaviour.
>
> --
> Best,
> Marc
>
> "Change requires small steps."
>
>
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So Marc, by your logic if I am running a Windows program under Linux, the
Windows program should know that I am not in Windows and adjust itself
accordingly?

Nautilus is designed for Gnome and functions like it would under Gnome.  You
can set it to run under other GUI's, but you have to set options to make it
know that it is not under Gnome.  This does not make it a bug, it makes it a
non-KDE native program that requires options to make it work under KDE
without the Gnome defaults.
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