From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 00:48:33 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:48:33 -0500 Subject: rsync : how to exclude specific files or folders ? In-Reply-To: <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090228224606.5518d814.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090228222215.GU9148@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > Oh ! After reading your mail, and re-re-re-reading the man page, I ventured into this: > > $rsync --exclude '*.VirtualBox' --exclude '*.googleearth' > > and it worked ! Yes, and if you want to switch from a chain of exclude parameters to a file (e.g. if the command line starts getting long), you can just do: rsync --exclude-from=my_exclude_file And my_exclude_file is then just: *.VirtualBox *.googleearth Exactly the same format. Matt Flaschen From stude.list at googlemail.com Sun Mar 1 00:55:25 2009 From: stude.list at googlemail.com (Andy) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:55:25 +0000 Subject: [FIXED] Intrepid: Keyboard/nouse won't respond till gdm restart In-Reply-To: <219482c0902281135q3da37dcdp1dd57d430e09a8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <219482c0902281135q3da37dcdp1dd57d430e09a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219482c0902281655q31133fa9q891a3871a41bce7e@mail.gmail.com> Answering my own question. Apparently this is a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gdm/+bug/271138 Changing GDM runlevel to 25 as suggested in bug comments appears to have fixed it. To update run level I used the following commands (in case someone else has the same problem): sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove sudo update-rc.d gdm start 25 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 . Thanks Andy -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 01:19:56 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:19:56 -0300 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> Message-ID: > Well , unless someone snuck into my house, and installed some extra RAM > in my computer that I haven't noticed yet, the video card using 256 MB's > of RAM only leaves my main RAM with the other half of the 512 MB's in my > machine which is 256 MB's as well. Of course I do have a one GB swap > file in use as well, so maybe I am running with only 256 MB's available > to the cpu. > > No, that can't be right, because if I run the free command, it reports > 384 MB's of total physical RAM available to the system, plus the swap > file. I just think *something* is fooling all of these other programs > into reporting 256 MB's for the video card, and it's really only running > 128 MB's. > > Here's the output of the free command. > > ray at ray-desktop:~$ free -m >             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached > Mem:           375        366          9          0          0         51 > -/+ buffers/cache:        314         60 > Swap:         1023        501        522 > > Here's another little oddity. This is what lspci reports for my cpu -- > > Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] > > And I know that I have an AMD Sempron 3400+ in this machine. Yep, I just > fired up Sysinfo from the System Tools menu, and it reports this  -- AMD > Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ I don't think lspci is working very well. > > Well, I give up, lack of knowledge. Do you have this app. installed? nvidia-xconfig. In my system it reports the board resident memory plus the additional ram assigned (for me 256+256). http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-xconfig/nvidia-xconfig-1.0.tar.gz or probably Synaptic Best Regards and sorry I couldn't help. Lucio From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 01:35:16 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:35:16 -0800 Subject: Intrepid: Keyboard/nouse won't respond till gdm restart In-Reply-To: <219482c0902281135q3da37dcdp1dd57d430e09a8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <219482c0902281135q3da37dcdp1dd57d430e09a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580902281735v41cfde51o3f44911434c33ced@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Andy wrote: > Hi all > > just "upgraded" to 8.10 and now when my system starts the keyboard and > mouse don't work on the login screen. Is yours a wireless USB combo keyboard mouse? The reason I asked was that I got bit by something similar - the machine froze up late last night in that there was no keyboard or mouse, but other stuff was running like amarok, so it wasn't a "hard" lockup. When I rebooted, no keyboard & mouse, repeated, nothing, although I didn't try ctrl-alt-F1 - not sure that would have worked if there were no keyboard, or if the system couldn't talk to the USB slot the keyboard & mouse combo were plugged into. This is my first experience with a wireless keyboard & mouse anyway. Eventually I "fixed" the issue by booting into an older kernel on my system, which will have to suffice for now. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sun Mar 1 01:47:34 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 02:47:34 +0100 Subject: rsync : how to exclude specific files or folders ? In-Reply-To: <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> References: <20090228224606.5518d814.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090228222215.GU9148@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20090301024734.7fe3a528.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:48:33 -0500 Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Yes, and if you want to switch from a chain of exclude parameters to a > file (e.g. if the command line starts getting long), you can just do: > > rsync --exclude-from=my_exclude_file > > And my_exclude_file is then just: > > *.VirtualBox > *.googleearth > > Exactly the same format. Ah ok, thanks, will keep that in mind. -- Vince, sorted and happy. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 1 01:56:08 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:56:08 -0800 Subject: netwerkprinter In-Reply-To: <200902271057.18704.h.l.ter.elst@hccnet.nl> References: <200902262108.04012.eikneh@hccnet.nl> <49A736C7.2010702@neuroweave.nl> <200902271057.18704.h.l.ter.elst@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: On 02/27/2009 01:57 AM, Henk wrote: Why do you persist in sending the same msg to this list? You've been provided links to possible solutions, yet you continue to send the same messages over and over again. From hs.samix at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 02:19:21 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:19:21 -0500 Subject: rsync : how to exclude specific files or folders ? In-Reply-To: <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> References: <20090228224606.5518d814.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090228222215.GU9148@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> Oh ! After reading your mail, and re-re-re-reading the man page, I ventured into this: >> >> $rsync --exclude '*.VirtualBox' --exclude '*.googleearth' >> >> and it worked ! > > Yes, and if you want to switch from a chain of exclude parameters to a > file (e.g. if the command line starts getting long), you can just do: > > rsync --exclude-from=my_exclude_file > > And my_exclude_file is then just: > > *.VirtualBox > *.googleearth The asterisks are needed. ".foo" will match a file any file called .foo in any path. See first rule in section EXCLUDE PATTERNS in rsync man page. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 03:17:56 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:17:56 -0300 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> Message-ID: >> >> No, that can't be right, because if I run the free command, it reports >> 384 MB's of total physical RAM available to the system, plus the swap >> file. I just think *something* is fooling all of these other programs >> into reporting 256 MB's for the video card, and it's really only running >> 128 MB's. >> >> Here's the output of the free command. >> >> ray at ray-desktop:~$ free -m >>             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached >> Mem:           375        366          9          0          0         51 >> -/+ buffers/cache:        314         60 >> Swap:         1023        501        522 >> >> > > Best Regards and sorry I couldn't help. > > Lucio > Back to business, Made some tests w/ my board (onboard nvidia) Independent of the amount of memory allocated for BIOS frame buffers (from 32 to 512) the following is always the same (i.e. not correct) lspci -v -s 02:00.0 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8200 (rev a2) Subsystem: nVidia Corporation Device cb84 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22 Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Memory at fa000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at dc00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at feae0000 [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia, nvidiafb nvidia-xconfig shows either 256Mb or 512Mb of video memory depending on the frame buffer size but only these numbers (i.e. not correct) The amount of memory available ( F.I. cat /proc/meminfo) reflects yes (by subtraction) the allocated frame buffer. (correct) So it seems that it is difficult for linux to directly assess the amount of allocated video memory, (try googling it, got some hits but didn't take note) and most commands return questionable values. L. From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 04:26:49 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 04:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: is this group moderated? Message-ID: I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never seem to make it through, but do for other groups. thanks, Thufir From tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 1 04:27:50 2009 From: tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au (Tom Sparks) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:27:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: installing k3d on a usb hard drive Message-ID: <365966.94160.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> how do i install k3d on a usb hard drive? tom_a_sparks Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From dwain.alford at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 04:30:46 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:30:46 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? Message-ID: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> i am fixing up an old computer for a friend of mine and i was wondering if there is a banking program similar to ms money? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 1 04:25:31 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:25:31 -0500 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AA0E3B.6020809@dinamis.com> Thufir wrote: > I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never seem to > make it through, but do for other groups. This one certainly made it through. Though I hate moderated lists, the endless off-topic threads that go on for weeks almost make me wish it was. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 1 04:26:16 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:26:16 -0500 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> dwain wrote: > i am fixing up an old computer for a friend of mine and i was wondering > if there is a banking program similar to ms money? Kmymoney and Gnucash are both quite good. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From lmario at philippe.com.br Sun Mar 1 04:43:39 2009 From: lmario at philippe.com.br (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:43:39 -0300 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> Thufir wrote: > I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never seem to > make it through, but do for other groups. In a quick search I found several posts from you (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) in the last three months. Original Posts and replies. So it seems that at least some of your posts make it through. in January: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/author.html But I don't know much, I'm not the moderator. L. -- Lucio M. Nicolosi, Eng. - São Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From lmario at philippe.com.br Sun Mar 1 05:00:03 2009 From: lmario at philippe.com.br (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 02:00:03 -0300 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> References: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> >> I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never >> seem to >> make it through, but do for other groups. > > In a quick search I found several posts from you (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) in > the last three months. Original Posts and replies. So it seems that at least > some of your posts make it through. But of course, if you do not post "from" your registered address (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) your message will be rejected. L. From redmondtux at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 05:02:37 2009 From: redmondtux at gmail.com (Redmond Tux) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:02:37 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu doesn't recognize RAID5 array - what to do? Message-ID: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> A few weeks ago I reinstalled the latest version of Ubuntu (wanted a clean start) and discovered, to my unpleasant surprise, that Ubuntu doesn't recognize my RAID5 array. Previously, it was recognized as "Adaptec" (that's the hardware controller that all the drives are tethered to). To be clear, Ubuntu itself is installed on a separate, smaller SATA drive. The RAID5 array is where I want to store my data. But I can't access it. When I try, I get this error: Unable to mount location Can't find file In My Computer, instead of showing "Adaptec" it just says "SCSI Drive". This to me suggests it isn't recognizing my array. I have looked around and can't find a solution. Any suggestions? redmondtux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you post the output of: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l df -Th cat /etc/fstab Matt Flaschen From dwain.alford at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 05:38:14 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:38:14 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Kmymoney and Gnucash are both quite good. > thanks for the info. may i assume that kmymoney is a kde program and that gnucash is for gnome? i'll be running 8.10 on the gnome desktop. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Sun Mar 1 05:50:10 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:50:10 +0100 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AA2212.4080501@carl-fh.com> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >>> No, that can't be right, because if I run the free command, it reports >>> 384 MB's of total physical RAM available to the system, plus the swap >>> file. I just think *something* is fooling all of these other programs >>> into reporting 256 MB's for the video card, and it's really only running >>> 128 MB's. >>> >>> Here's the output of the free command. >>> >>> ray at ray-desktop:~$ free -m >>> total used free shared buffers cached >>> Mem: 375 366 9 0 0 51 >>> -/+ buffers/cache: 314 60 >>> Swap: 1023 501 522 >>> >>> >> Best Regards and sorry I couldn't help. >> >> Lucio >> > > Back to business, > > Made some tests w/ my board (onboard nvidia) > > Independent of the amount of memory allocated for BIOS frame buffers > (from 32 to 512) the following is always the same (i.e. not correct) > > lspci -v -s 02:00.0 > 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8200 (rev a2) > Subsystem: nVidia Corporation Device cb84 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22 > Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] > Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] > Memory at fa000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] > I/O ports at dc00 [size=128] > [virtual] Expansion ROM at feae0000 [disabled] [size=128K] > Capabilities: > Kernel driver in use: nvidia > Kernel modules: nvidia, nvidiafb > > nvidia-xconfig shows either 256Mb or 512Mb of video memory depending > on the frame buffer size but only these numbers (i.e. not correct) > > The amount of memory available ( F.I. cat /proc/meminfo) reflects yes > (by subtraction) the allocated frame buffer. (correct) > > So it seems that it is difficult for linux to directly assess the > amount of allocated video memory, (try googling it, got some hits but > didn't take note) and most commands return questionable values. > > L. > Many computers used to have a fixed on-board 64MByte memory. Wouldn't this explain your numbers? What does the manual say? Just a thought. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 1 06:21:53 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:21:53 -0500 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> References: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> Message-ID: <49AA2981.5040801@roadrunner.com> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never seem to >> make it through, but do for other groups. > In a quick search I found several posts from you > (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) in the last three months. Original Posts and > replies. So it seems that at least some of your posts make it through. > > in January: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/author.html > > But I don't know much, I'm not the moderator. > > L. > If your looking for your replies or posts, if you use gmail you will not see them. theres been numerous posts about this on the list. -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From eqisow at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 06:22:54 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:22:54 -0500 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: kmymoney is indeed kde. gnucash uses gtk, but no gnome libs. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:38 AM, dwain wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY < > clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com> wrote: > >> Kmymoney and Gnucash are both quite good. >> > > thanks for the info. may i assume that kmymoney is a kde program and that > gnucash is for gnome? i'll be running 8.10 on the gnome desktop. > > > cheers, > dwain > > > -- > "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 1 06:22:57 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:22:57 -0500 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA29C1.6060105@dinamis.com> dwain wrote: > may i assume that kmymoney is a kde program It is but you should not let that dissuade even if you run GNOME. You can run KDE apps in GNOME with no problems, and vice versa. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From dwain.alford at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 06:36:48 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:36:48 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <956c96920902282236x22fdd08fmbcb56f4eda44a982@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Justin wrote: > but no gnome libs. and this effects the program how? or this a usability issue? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwain.alford at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 06:40:24 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:40:24 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <49AA29C1.6060105@dinamis.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> <49AA29C1.6060105@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <956c96920902282240j3727433aq9c709b03be24c9be@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > It is but you should not let that dissuade even if you run GNOME. You > can run KDE apps in GNOME with no problems, and vice versa. do you have to load the kde files? 3.4 or 4? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 07:37:16 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:37:16 +0200 Subject: More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?) In-Reply-To: <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00902282337s7c521a6eka0433cb8ed31fc67@mail.gmail.com> > Hi - after I install Ubuntu (8.10, alternate CD 64 bit) on a computer with 5 > HDD's, and reboot at the end, the computer fails to boot (black screen, > blinking cursor, no message). I think it is looking in the wrong place for > the /boot partition. What is the correct way to install a boot partition > that isn't on (hd0,0)? > > I have posted on the forums, but haven't found a solution yet. > You need to start a new thread (NOT reply to an existing thread) to get an answer. Replying to an existing thread is called "hijacking" and not only will people who can answer your question not answer it, but they are not likely to find it buried in a different thread. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From amichai at iglu.org.il Sun Mar 1 07:38:36 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:38:36 +0200 Subject: Amarok MP3 Support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Following your instruction, I entered 'xine' to the find box and this is what it found, regarding February: Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 10:48:41 2009 Installed the following packages: libxine1-all-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) libxine1-gnome (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) libxine1-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) xine-ui (0.99.5+cvs20070914-2) I have re-installed these packages after purging them as part of the debugging process. My last major upgrade happened on Thu Jul 17 22:42:56 2008, and was able to play MP3 files since then... In between I have installed the Fluendo Streaming Server package. I think that's what messed things up for me... Any other ideas? Thanks! .:====================================================:. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .:====================================================:. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 20:20, NoOp wrote: > On 02/27/2009 01:18 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I used to be able to play MP3 files with Amarok, but after a recent > update > > it stopped working! > > > > I am running Amarok 1.4.9.1on KDE 3.5.10. > > > > When I try to add an MP3 song to the playlist the first time after > opening > > Amarok, it asks me if I want to install MP3 support for Amarok. I click > on > > the 'install MP3 support' button, but nothing happens. When I re-try to > add > > the file, it pops up a message saying the file was not added because the > > media is not playable.... > > > > Please help! > > No idea why yours might not be working, but I am playing an mp3 right > now on Amarok on my Gnome (Hardy) desktop. From Help|About Amarok: > 'Amarok 1.4.9.1 (Using KDE 3.5.10)'. And this is following the slew of > kde security updates that were installed recently: > > Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 08:30:40 2009 > > Upgraded the following packages: > kaddressbook (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > kdelibs-data (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 > kdelibs4c2a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 > knode (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > libkcal2b (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > libkdepim1a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > libkleopatra1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > libkmime2 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > libktnef1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 > > What have you updated recently? You can check via Synaptic|File|History. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 07:42:13 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 04:42:13 -0300 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49AA2212.4080501@carl-fh.com> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <49AA2212.4080501@carl-fh.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Carl Friis-Hansen wrote: > Many computers used to have a fixed on-board 64MByte memory. Wouldn't > this explain your numbers? What does the manual say? > Just a thought. > -- >       +---------------------------------+-------------------+ >       | Carl Friis-Hansen               | Fiskeryd Nybygget | Unlike an offboard video card, my onboard NVidia (and Ray's) shares (sucks) DDR memory with (from) the system. It can use up to 256 Mb. Frame buffer, that is the memory reserved for video in BIOS begins at 32 and goes up to 512 Mb. Available RAM memory is reduced accordingly. So we do not have a fixed size video memory. L. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 08:08:19 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:08:19 -0500 Subject: More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?) In-Reply-To: <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> Dave wrote: > Hi - after I install Ubuntu (8.10, alternate CD 64 bit) on a computer > with 5 HDD's, and reboot at the end, the computer fails to boot (black > screen, blinking cursor, no message). While strictly speaking this is more noise, you would get a better response by starting a new thread, rather than replying to someone else's. Or at least change the subject so you can pretend you started a new thread. Until then, start with the GRUB documentation (in particular http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/ and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-faq.en.html#q11). Why are you using a boot partition anyway? It is much easier in practice just to have a boot directory on the same partition as your /. Matt Flaschen From k.niels at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 09:37:08 2009 From: k.niels at gmail.com (Niels Kierulf) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 04:37:08 -0500 Subject: Video players not working on external monitor Message-ID: <740b523f0903010137s7408fa90m7774b59e01a37ec4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, My laptop screen recently went dead and so I plugged in CRT monitor as a temporary fix. It works fine except none of the video players work (there is audio but no video). I'm using ubuntu 8.04 Anyone know what's up? Thanks, Niels -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From amichai at iglu.org.il Sun Mar 1 11:48:39 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:48:39 +0200 Subject: Amarok MP3 Support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found out another interesting thing: If I open the Run Command window and enter: 'kdesudo amarok' and enter the password, Amarok opens as root (different colors and all) and the MP3 files are playable... it seems to be a permissions issue - so how do I fix this? I guess chmoding the /usr/bin/amarokapp to my user, isn't such a good idea... Help! .:====================================================:. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .:====================================================:. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 09:38, Amichai Rotman wrote: > Following your instruction, I entered 'xine' to the find box and this is > what it found, regarding February: > > Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 10:48:41 2009 > > > Installed the following packages: > libxine1-all-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) > libxine1-gnome (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) > libxine1-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) > xine-ui (0.99.5+cvs20070914-2) > > I have re-installed these packages after purging them as part of the > debugging process. My last major upgrade happened on Thu Jul 17 22:42:56 > 2008, and was able to play MP3 files since then... > > In between I have installed the Fluendo Streaming Server package. I think > that's what messed things up for me... > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks! > > .:====================================================:. > > Amichai Rotman > > UIN#: 6401746 > Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] > Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > .:====================================================:. > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 20:20, NoOp wrote: > >> On 02/27/2009 01:18 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I used to be able to play MP3 files with Amarok, but after a recent >> update >> > it stopped working! >> > >> > I am running Amarok 1.4.9.1on KDE 3.5.10. >> > >> > When I try to add an MP3 song to the playlist the first time after >> opening >> > Amarok, it asks me if I want to install MP3 support for Amarok. I click >> on >> > the 'install MP3 support' button, but nothing happens. When I re-try to >> add >> > the file, it pops up a message saying the file was not added because the >> > media is not playable.... >> > >> > Please help! >> >> No idea why yours might not be working, but I am playing an mp3 right >> now on Amarok on my Gnome (Hardy) desktop. From Help|About Amarok: >> 'Amarok 1.4.9.1 (Using KDE 3.5.10)'. And this is following the slew of >> kde security updates that were installed recently: >> >> Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 08:30:40 2009 >> >> Upgraded the following packages: >> kaddressbook (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> kdelibs-data (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 >> kdelibs4c2a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 >> knode (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> libkcal2b (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> libkdepim1a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> libkleopatra1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> libkmime2 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> libktnef1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >> >> What have you updated recently? You can check via Synaptic|File|History. >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amichai at iglu.org.il Sun Mar 1 12:00:57 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:00:57 +0200 Subject: Amarok MP3 Support? [SOLVED!] Message-ID: Hey all, by following the advice at the very last post here: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15438.0.html I was able to fix the problem! As always, it's a simple stupid little thing... Thanks to all that helped! .:====================================================:. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .:====================================================:. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 13:48, Amichai Rotman wrote: > I found out another interesting thing: > > If I open the Run Command window and enter: 'kdesudo amarok' and enter the > password, Amarok opens as root (different colors and all) and the MP3 files > are playable... > > it seems to be a permissions issue - so how do I fix this? > > I guess chmoding the /usr/bin/amarokapp to my user, isn't such a good > idea... > > Help! > > .:====================================================:. > > Amichai Rotman > > UIN#: 6401746 > Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] > Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > .:====================================================:. > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 09:38, Amichai Rotman wrote: > >> Following your instruction, I entered 'xine' to the find box and this is >> what it found, regarding February: >> >> Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 10:48:41 2009 >> >> >> Installed the following packages: >> libxine1-all-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) >> libxine1-gnome (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) >> libxine1-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) >> xine-ui (0.99.5+cvs20070914-2) >> >> I have re-installed these packages after purging them as part of the >> debugging process. My last major upgrade happened on Thu Jul 17 22:42:56 >> 2008, and was able to play MP3 files since then... >> >> In between I have installed the Fluendo Streaming Server package. I think >> that's what messed things up for me... >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> .:====================================================:. >> >> Amichai Rotman >> >> UIN#: 6401746 >> Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] >> Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> .:====================================================:. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 20:20, NoOp wrote: >> >>> On 02/27/2009 01:18 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > I used to be able to play MP3 files with Amarok, but after a recent >>> update >>> > it stopped working! >>> > >>> > I am running Amarok 1.4.9.1on KDE 3.5.10. >>> > >>> > When I try to add an MP3 song to the playlist the first time after >>> opening >>> > Amarok, it asks me if I want to install MP3 support for Amarok. I click >>> on >>> > the 'install MP3 support' button, but nothing happens. When I re-try to >>> add >>> > the file, it pops up a message saying the file was not added because >>> the >>> > media is not playable.... >>> > >>> > Please help! >>> >>> No idea why yours might not be working, but I am playing an mp3 right >>> now on Amarok on my Gnome (Hardy) desktop. From Help|About Amarok: >>> 'Amarok 1.4.9.1 (Using KDE 3.5.10)'. And this is following the slew of >>> kde security updates that were installed recently: >>> >>> Commit Log for Fri Feb 27 08:30:40 2009 >>> >>> Upgraded the following packages: >>> kaddressbook (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> kdelibs-data (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 >>> kdelibs4c2a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1.1 >>> knode (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> libkcal2b (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> libkdepim1a (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> libkleopatra1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> libkmime2 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> libktnef1 (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3) to 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy3.1 >>> >>> What have you updated recently? You can check via Synaptic|File|History. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 13:52:33 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:52:33 +0200 Subject: More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?) In-Reply-To: <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <880dece00903010552m668d05dxb0af92eec8b9baf7@mail.gmail.com> > While strictly speaking this is more noise, you would get a better > response by starting a new thread, rather than replying to someone > else's.  Or at least change the subject so you can pretend you started a > new thread. > No! Do NOT just change the subject. That is not the same thing as starting a new thread. When you just change the subject threaded email clients add your "new subjected message" to the old thread. It is just like not changing the subject, only worse. I can only suppose that Matthew uses a non-threading email client, has threading disabled, or uses an email client that incorrectly (as per the spec) threads on subject. Yes, I know that Gmail threads on subject but that is against the spec. Matthew, I am disappointed and will soon plunk your messages if you keep that up! :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 14:09:26 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:09:26 -0500 Subject: More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?) In-Reply-To: <880dece00903010552m668d05dxb0af92eec8b9baf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> <880dece00903010552m668d05dxb0af92eec8b9baf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA9716.1080400@gatech.edu> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> While strictly speaking this is more noise, you would get a better >> response by starting a new thread, rather than replying to someone >> else's. Or at least change the subject so you can pretend you started a >> new thread. >> > > No! Do NOT just change the subject. That is not the same thing as > starting a new thread. Did you read what I said, "pretend you started a new thread". I am well aware of the difference (thanks to Thunderbird). It's just that I find the new trend of not even bothering to change the subject highly disturbing. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 14:15:55 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:15:55 -0500 Subject: I figured it out about Bottom Posting. In-Reply-To: <49A832F2.4020803@rogers.com> References: <49A832F2.4020803@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49AA989B.8070904@gatech.edu> Stephen wrote: > To me it doesn't matter if a person posts above or below the original > message. Then I don't think you figured it out. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 14:19:04 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:19:04 -0500 Subject: Problem with Java PS3 Media Server (swing library missing) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AA9958.7050606@gatech.edu> Ben Edwards wrote: > It seems to be saying it can not find a swing class;(. I hove done a > bit of googeling and tryd to install packages that look theke they are > to do with swing but no luck Any oideas? There's no mystery. You're using Java 1.5 and GroupLayout was introduced in 1.6 (http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/swing/GroupLayout.html). Matt Flaschen From bob-at-ubuntu-desktop at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 14:29:35 2009 From: bob-at-ubuntu-desktop at comcast.net (Bob St. John) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:29:35 -0500 Subject: Google Earth, Ubuntu 8.10, and Acer Aspire 5515 Message-ID: <1235917775.6097.12.camel@bob-ubuntu-desktop> Folks, I've got a dual-boot Acer Aspire 5515 with Windows Vista and Ubuntu 8.10. Google Earth 5.0 is installed in both environments. In Windows, Google Earth performs well, including display updates. In Ubuntu, Google Earth seems to start correctly, but the display updates take a terribly long time, and Google Earth essentially becomes useless. I suspect the problem has to do with the display drivers in the Ubuntu environment. Does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this? Thanks . . . Bob St. John From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 1 14:41:43 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:41:43 -0500 Subject: Google Earth, Ubuntu 8.10, and Acer Aspire 5515 In-Reply-To: <1235917775.6097.12.camel@bob-ubuntu-desktop> References: <1235917775.6097.12.camel@bob-ubuntu-desktop> Message-ID: <49AA9EA7.5000106@gatech.edu> Bob St. John wrote: > Folks, > > I've got a dual-boot Acer Aspire 5515 with Windows Vista and Ubuntu > 8.10. > > Google Earth 5.0 is installed in both environments. In Windows, Google > Earth performs well, including display updates. In Ubuntu, Google Earth > seems to start correctly, but the display updates take a terribly long > time, and Google Earth essentially becomes useless. Sounds like software OpenGL, because your GNU/Linux video driver doesn't support hardware OpenGL. > I suspect the problem has to do with the display drivers in the Ubuntu > environment. Does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this? You could try to find a better video driver. Matt Flaschen From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 1 15:41:12 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:41:12 -0400 Subject: Video Memory References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> Message-ID: <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong, seems your video board has indeed a >> resident memory of 256Mb, and requires at least another 128 Mb (RAM >> memory) for managing, thus leaving 384Mb of free RAM. (?) >> > Well , unless someone snuck into my house, and installed some extra RAM > in my computer that I haven't noticed yet, the video card using 256 MB's > of RAM only leaves my main RAM with the other half of the 512 MB's in my > machine which is 256 MB's as well. No, I think Lucio is probably at least close. Many video cards have their _own_ on-board memory. In fact, I think since you have an actual video card, rather than intel-on-the-motherboard, it's likely. I'm not sure that your video has 256MB, I rather think it's 128MB of its own memory, and 128MB of your system's memory. So the system sees it as using 256MB, and it's still only using 128MB of main memory. I'd want to try telling your BIOS to use _less_ memory, and see what happens - seems to me any system still limping along on a mere .5GB of main memory doesn't need to be running video modes that need 256MB -- derek From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:40:23 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:40:23 -0300 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: > I'd want to try telling your BIOS to use _less_ memory, and see what > happens - seems to me any system still limping along on a mere .5GB of main > memory doesn't need to be running video modes that need 256MB > -- > derek Absolutely, I would allocate the minimum needed for the required resolution. It could be as little as 8Mb. (and see what happens). L. From stude.list at googlemail.com Sun Mar 1 16:46:05 2009 From: stude.list at googlemail.com (Andy) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:46:05 +0000 Subject: Intrepid: Keyboard/nouse won't respond till gdm restart In-Reply-To: <359a3c580902281735v41cfde51o3f44911434c33ced@mail.gmail.com> References: <219482c0902281135q3da37dcdp1dd57d430e09a8d@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580902281735v41cfde51o3f44911434c33ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219482c0903010846w6ccbd950vd73307eb2ea3f74e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/1 David Fox : > Is yours a wireless USB combo keyboard mouse? Yes. > When I rebooted, no keyboard & mouse, repeated, nothing, although I > didn't try ctrl-alt-F1 - not sure that would have worked if there were > no keyboard, or if the system couldn't talk to the USB slot the > keyboard & mouse combo were plugged into. Depends on where the problem is. If its an X/Gdm problem then the kernel can still intercept the Ctrl-Alt-F1 command sequence and switch to console. Obviously if the kernel is not seeing the keyboard then Ctrl-Alt-F1 won't work either, I wouldn't have expected the system to start looking up once it's running so you may have a different problem. Andy -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. From rbragg at gmnet.net Sun Mar 1 17:26:40 2009 From: rbragg at gmnet.net (Rick Bragg) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:26:40 -0500 Subject: partition table blown away! Message-ID: <1235928400.6744.28.camel@thor> Hi, I have installed ubuntu 8.10 64 bit desktop on my system and all of a sudden after many perfect reboots, my partition table was wiped and set to linux raid. Here was the events as they happened. Only one hard sata drive and one sata dvd drive plugged into system board. Installed system onto the sata hard drive. and that went fine. rebooted with new sata hard drive that was fine. rebooted with 4 new sata hard drives, that went fine. installed mdadm, that also installed a new kernel (server). then I formatted the 4 new drives as raid, ran mdadm and created the array with the 4 new disks, then ran cfdisk to create a file system on the new /dev/md0 array, then mounted that file system that all went fine. rebooted with new kernel (server) and system would not boot with new kernel. It could not find the root. Anyway, I then rebooted selecting from the grub list the old (generic) kernel, that went fine. OK, So far, I can reboot with the old (generic) kernel perfectly, but every time I try to select the new (server) kernel, it can't find the root. Only the original (generic) kernel works. OK great, I am rebooting from my sata (non raid) hard drive many times over and over and things are going fine. Then later, I try again to boot with the (server) kernel, and it can't fine the root again. No surprise. So I reboot, and all of a sudden, no grub menu! I then boot into the CD, and mount all my drives (5) and they are ALL now partitioned as raid!!! Somehow, simply selecting that (server) kernel from the grub list as i did many times before, this time blew away my partition table on my first disk! Any clues? Rick -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Green Mountain Network, and is believed to be clean. From overflow_ at libero.it Sun Mar 1 17:58:49 2009 From: overflow_ at libero.it (overflow_) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() Message-ID: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Hello to everybody. I would like to know 1) How is implemented the method pthread_create() in Linux? I mean, does it use a call to the clone() function or to fork()? 2) where is the implementation of pthread_create()? I know it's declared in thread.h, but where its implementation is located? Thank you very much -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-POSIX--implementation-of-pthread_create%28%29-tp22275000p22275000.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From larryesu at charter.net Sun Mar 1 18:00:44 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:00:44 -0600 Subject: How to access a SanDisk 2gb usb flash drive...??? Message-ID: <49AACD4C.7080302@charter.net> *I have a Sandisk 2gb flash drive, but I can not seem to access it, to use it... It show's up when using 'lsusb', but how can one figure out how to mount this usb flash drive so that I can use it...??? Any help would be appreciated... Thanks Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From jlitwinski at vp.pl Sun Mar 1 18:33:30 2009 From: jlitwinski at vp.pl (Jan =?iso-8859-2?Q?Litwi=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:33:30 +0100 Subject: How to access a SanDisk 2gb usb flash drive...??? In-Reply-To: <49AACD4C.7080302@charter.net> (Larry Shields's message of "Sun\, 01 Mar 2009 12\:00\:44 -0600") References: <49AACD4C.7080302@charter.net> Message-ID: <87vdqtf5z9.fsf@vp.pl> Larry Shields writes: > *I have a Sandisk 2gb flash drive, but I can not seem to access it, to > use it... > It show's up when using 'lsusb', but how can one figure out how to > mount this usb flash drive so that I can use it...??? sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt in this example /dev/sdb1 is your disk partition of your flassh. First chech it with sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb (change it to the first available drive in your system) -- J at nek jlitwinski(AT)gmail.com "Linux is like a wigwam, no gates, http://www.litwinski.republika.pl/ no windows, but Apache inside" From list4me2 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 1 18:58:31 2009 From: list4me2 at googlemail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:58:31 +0000 Subject: Are there drivers for 'Elgato Turbo.264' H264 encoder Message-ID: Done a bit of googeling but cant seem to find and drivers for the above. Are there any? Regards, Ben From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 19:03:12 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:03:12 +1800 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282240j3727433aq9c709b03be24c9be@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0E68.6060107@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282138p23362e67x245e367a82e4e135@mail.gmail.com> <49AA29C1.6060105@dinamis.com> <956c96920902282240j3727433aq9c709b03be24c9be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:40 AM, dwain wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: >> >> It is but you should not let that dissuade even if you run GNOME. You >> can run KDE apps in GNOME with no problems, and vice versa. > > do you have to load the kde files?  3.4 or 4? Just the libs - not the whole DE. For example I use Amarok (a music player for KDE) in Gnome. It takes just a second longer to load the first time, but it runs seamlessly in Gnome. And I do not have the full KDE installed - IE there's no option to use KDE when I log in... HTH, Chris From fred41169stevens at hotmail.com Sun Mar 1 19:09:14 2009 From: fred41169stevens at hotmail.com (Fred Stevens) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:09:14 -0600 Subject: Purchasing Remix on a thumb drive? Message-ID: Hi... I have a netbook I want to install Ubuntu on. I was wondering if it's possible to purchase Remix on a thumb drive? If so could someone please give me the website? I tried to google this but didb't have any luck. Thank you. Fred _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tucker.bc at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 19:50:17 2009 From: tucker.bc at gmail.com (Brian Tucker) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:50:17 -0600 Subject: Purchasing Remix on a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1235937017.23178.4.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 13:09 -0600, Fred Stevens wrote: > Hi... > I have a netbook I want to install Ubuntu on. I was wondering if it's > possible to purchase Remix on a thumb drive? If so could someone > please give me the website? I tried to google this but didb't have any > luck. Thank you. > Fred > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find > out more. If you have another Ubuntu box (or even a Win box and an Ubuntu live cd) you could make your own UNR live usb. Make a live usb: http://www.ubuntumini.com/2008/10/make-liveusb.html Install the remix: http://www.ubuntumini.com/2008/10/installing-ubuntu-netbook-remix.html From rbragg at gmnet.net Sun Mar 1 20:19:17 2009 From: rbragg at gmnet.net (Rick Bragg) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:19:17 -0500 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235938757.6744.34.camel@thor> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 22:30 -0600, dwain wrote: > i am fixing up an old computer for a friend of mine and i was > wondering if there is a banking program similar to ms money? > > cheers, > dwain > > -- > "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran > > -- I prefer gnucash, It seems very professional, you can import from quicken, it supports dual Leger, "categories" are full accounts in there own right. I run my business on it. Easy apt-get install. My 20 cent. rick -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Green Mountain Network, and is believed to be clean. From markir at paradise.net.nz Sun Mar 1 20:33:19 2009 From: markir at paradise.net.nz (Mark Kirkwood) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:33:19 +1300 Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49AAF10F.8020603@paradise.net.nz> overflow_ wrote: > Hello to everybody. > > I would like to know > > 1) How is implemented the method pthread_create() in Linux? I mean, does it > use a call to the clone() function or to fork()? > > 2) where is the implementation of pthread_create()? I know it's declared in > thread.h, but where its implementation is located? > > Thank you very much > According to this link: http://linux.die.net/man/7/pthreads The NPTL (Native Posix Thread Lib - which most Linux disros use now) is implemented using clone(2) for creation and futex(2) for synchronization. So maybe the question then becomes "How is clone(2) implementated in LInux"? In terms of where the implementation is located - I think you need to download both glibc and kernel sources, as I think there are thread specific modules in both. regards Mark From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:37:10 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:37:10 +0200 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903011237vca347bdpfda306dd8e5edc11@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/1 dwain : > i am fixing up an old computer for a friend of mine and i was wondering if > there is a banking program similar to ms money? > There are _similar_ programs, but they are all missing special features specific to MS Money. For most home users this more of an advantage than a drawback, as it makes the program simpler to use. However, when you do encounter a feature that you feel is missing, _please_ mention it on the list so that bugs can be filed and the program can be improved. Of the two mentioned here, kmymoney is the more mature product. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From smoot at tic.com Sun Mar 1 20:39:41 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:39:41 -0700 Subject: rsync : how to exclude specific files or folders ? In-Reply-To: References: <20090228224606.5518d814.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090228222215.GU9148@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1235939981.9855.2364.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 21:19 -0500, H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > >> Oh ! After reading your mail, and re-re-re-reading the man page, I ventured into this: > >> > >> $rsync --exclude '*.VirtualBox' --exclude '*.googleearth' > >> > >> and it worked ! > > > > Yes, and if you want to switch from a chain of exclude parameters to a > > file (e.g. if the command line starts getting long), you can just do: > > > > rsync --exclude-from=my_exclude_file > > > > And my_exclude_file is then just: > > > > *.VirtualBox > > *.googleearth > > > The asterisks are needed. ".foo" will match a file any file called .foo > in any path. See first rule in section EXCLUDE PATTERNS in rsync man page. Not quite correct although it is a bit confusing. The above will match any file which ends with .VirtualBox or .googleearth. If you start your transfer from say, /home/user, and want to exclude the above directories at that level in the hierarchy then the precise syntax would be: /.VirtualBox /.googleearth The leading "/" says to match only at the root of the transfer. Any instance of .VirtualBox which appears anywhere else will be included. As a practical matter, it likely does not matter, since it is unlikely you have another file or directory in your home directory called .VirtualBox or .googleearth. As another poster indicated you can see what rsync does this with the --dry-run and --verbose option. For more complex filtering take a look at the --filter option. It allows all kinds of sophisticated file inclusion/exclusion. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From loic.grenie at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:46:02 2009 From: loic.grenie at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc_Greni=E9?=) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:46:02 +0100 Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b06e8d20903011246h30c7e9ci32838f53a04fd84@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/1 overflow_ : > Hello to everybody. > > I would like to know > > 1) How is implemented the method pthread_create() in Linux? I mean, does it > use a call to the clone() function or to fork()? With the "standard" implementation (the one you get if you do not do anything), it uses clone(). > 2) where is the implementation of pthread_create()? I know it's declared in > thread.h, but where its implementation is located? It is pthread.h You can get the sources by typing apt-get source libc6 (this is a big collection of libraries, but it contains /lib/libpthread-2.7.so that implements pthread_* functions). Hope this helps, Loïc From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 22:12:56 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: is this group moderated? References: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> <49AA2981.5040801@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:21:53 -0500, steve wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> Thufir wrote: >>> I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts >>> never seem to make it through, but do for other groups. >> In a quick search I found several posts from you >> (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) in the last three months. Original Posts and >> replies. So it seems that at least some of your posts make it through. >> >> in January: >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/author.html >> >> But I don't know much, I'm not the moderator. >> >> L. >> >> > If your looking for your replies or posts, if you use gmail you will not > see them. theres been numerous posts about this on the list. I'm justing using gmane to read/respond. This message was forwarded from ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel to ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com gmane.linux.ubuntu.user For some reason probably by a moderator. It's the devel list which is moderated and to which the question was posed. Anyhow, a moderator wrote me back to say that it was moderated and then, I guess, forwarded the post to the user list. -Thufir From dwain.alford at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 22:36:52 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:36:52 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903011237vca347bdpfda306dd8e5edc11@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903011237vca347bdpfda306dd8e5edc11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <956c96920903011436gd38af42m2851f1477d7f3185@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/3/1 dwain : > > i am fixing up an old computer for a friend of mine and i was wondering > if > > there is a banking program similar to ms money? > > > > There are _similar_ programs, but they are all missing special > features specific to MS Money. For most home users this more of an > advantage than a drawback, as it makes the program simpler to use. > However, when you do encounter a feature that you feel is missing, > _please_ mention it on the list so that bugs can be filed and the > program can be improved. Of the two mentioned here, kmymoney is the > more mature product. > > thanks to all who contributed their piece of information. now comes the decision. but just one last question. my friend is computer illiterate and i will be teaching him. which program is the most intuitive? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfpyles at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:52:08 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:52:08 -0500 Subject: What software will work with quickcam pro by logitech? In-Reply-To: <499E6773.1060307@cmc.net> References: <499E02A0.20802@gmail.com> <1235115148.4777.65.camel@chronic> <499E6773.1060307@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AB1FA8.6020003@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:08 -0500, Mark Pyles wrote: >> >> >>> quickcam pro webcam >>> >>> > Hello, > > I have found that often there are good references right on my own > system, that teach me more about Linux than I've learned anywhere else > so far. The following link it to a How To that is probably already on > your computer.. [note the "file" protocol at the start of the link] > > > > If that link doesn't work for you, open Synaptic, and search on > "linux-nonfree", and install the documentation package that is > available. It has How To's on a very wide variety of Ubuntu specific > questions. > > I hope this helps you get our web cam set up. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > Hi Ray: Thank you very much. Cheese works great!! Thanks again! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfpyles at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:54:50 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:54:50 -0500 Subject: What software will work with quickcam pro by logitech? In-Reply-To: <499E155A.3090300@roadrunner.com> References: <499E02A0.20802@gmail.com> <499E155A.3090300@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49AB204A.4060607@gmail.com> steve wrote: > Mark Pyles wrote: > >> Hi everyone: >> >> I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 (gnome desktop) and have a quickcam pro webcam >> and need a software that it will work in. Any suggestions? Thanks. >> >> >> Mark >> >> > > should work fine with any linux app, cheese, ekiga, skype, kopete, etc. > One of mine is the same, works fine. plug it in, and do dmesg in a > terminal, look for the last couple lines, should show you something like > this > > > [20152.971441] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and > address 2 > [20153.163727] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > [20153.517308] Linux video capture interface: v2.00 > [20153.569539] > /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-generic/media/gspcav1/gspca_core.c: > USB GSPCA camera found.(SPCA561A) > [20153.575933] usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca > [20153.576319] > /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-generic/media/gspcav1/gspca_core.c: > gspca driver 01.00.20 registered > steve at T42smil3y:~$ > > > > > > > > Hi Steve: Thank you for your help. I was able to manage to get Cheese to work. Thanks. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 00:47:29 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:47:29 -0800 Subject: Are there drivers for 'Elgato Turbo.264' H264 encoder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/01/2009 10:58 AM, Ben Edwards wrote: > Done a bit of googeling but cant seem to find and drivers for the > above. Are there any? > > Regards, > Ben > Doesn't look like it. From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 00:56:14 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:56:14 -0500 Subject: rsync : how to exclude specific files or folders ? In-Reply-To: References: <20090228224606.5518d814.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090228222215.GU9148@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090301000711.37119d01.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A9DB61.7000505@gatech.edu> Message-ID: H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >>> Oh ! After reading your mail, and re-re-re-reading the man page, I ventured into this: >>> >>> $rsync --exclude '*.VirtualBox' --exclude '*.googleearth' >>> >>> and it worked ! >> Yes, and if you want to switch from a chain of exclude parameters to a >> file (e.g. if the command line starts getting long), you can just do: >> >> rsync --exclude-from=my_exclude_file >> >> And my_exclude_file is then just: >> >> *.VirtualBox >> *.googleearth > > > The asterisks are needed. ".foo" will match a file any file called .foo I had meant to write they are *not* needed to match all such named files. Sorry for the omission. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 00:59:34 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:59:34 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? Message-ID: Hi, Is 2.6.26 kernel included in Hardy? I tried installing this version but looks like it is not in the repos, or I am missing something. If this kernel is not in Hardy, how do I go about getting it as a Ubuntu package? Thanks. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From fajarpri at arinet.org Mon Mar 2 01:35:11 2009 From: fajarpri at arinet.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:35:11 +0800 Subject: Both cable and wifi active, not a bug? Message-ID: <574d6c740903011735l11a47e8et9347f4d9f6de2b67@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Again about network-manager. Using 8.10, now both my eth0 (cable) and eth1(cable) are active and gets ip from dhcp. I remember, network-manager used to give priority to cable whenever possible, but know it connects both of them. Is it a bug? I asked in #ubuntu channel and someone said it's a feature. What do you think? Thanks. From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 01:58:09 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:58:09 -0800 Subject: What software will work with quickcam pro by logitech? In-Reply-To: <49AB1FA8.6020003@gmail.com> References: <499E02A0.20802@gmail.com> <1235115148.4777.65.camel@chronic> <499E6773.1060307@cmc.net> <49AB1FA8.6020003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AB3D31.1080801@cmc.net> Mark Pyles wrote: > > > Ray Parrish wrote: >> > >>> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:08 -0500, Mark Pyles wrote: >>> >>> >>>> quickcam pro webcam >>>> >>>> >> Hello, >> >> I have found that often there are good references right on my own >> system, that teach me more about Linux than I've learned anywhere else >> so far. The following link it to a How To that is probably already on >> your computer.. [note the "file" protocol at the start of the link] >> >> >> >> If that link doesn't work for you, open Synaptic, and search on >> "linux-nonfree", and install the documentation package that is >> available. It has How To's on a very wide variety of Ubuntu specific >> questions. >> >> I hope this helps you get our web cam set up. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > Hi Ray: > > Thank you very much. Cheese works great!! Thanks again! > > Mark You're quite welcome! I'm glad you got it sorted out. Now if you'd like to really get on top of Ubuntu and Linux have a look at the following page, and install all of the packages it recommends, then spend some time reading the docs they install. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 02:06:31 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:06:31 -0800 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AB3F27.4060803@cmc.net> H.S. wrote: > Hi, > > Is 2.6.26 kernel included in Hardy? I tried installing this version but > looks like it is not in the repos, or I am missing something. > > If this kernel is not in Hardy, how do I go about getting it as a Ubuntu > package? > > Thanks. > That very subject was recently discussed on this list, and I just happened to save the message for reference. I'm adding the content of the solution to this post as a quote, and hoping that the original poster of this information doesn't mind my quoting him, that person being "H.S." who I am hereby crediting with this information. Note that it applies to the 2.6.27 kernel not the 2.6.26 kernel, but I'm sure the same method should work for either. Later, Ray Parrish > 1. Added intrepid repo to the sources.list of my Hardy machine by > appending the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid main restricted > > 2. Made a file /etc/apt/preferences whose contents are: > ############################################################# > Package: * > Pin: release a=hardy > Pin-Priority: 500 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=hardy-updates > Pin-Priority: 600 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=hardy-backports > Pin-Priority: 700 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=hardy-proposed > Pin-Priority: 800 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=hardy-security > Pin-Priority: 900 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=intrepid > Pin-Priority: -1 > > Package: linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic > Pin: release a=intrepid > Pin-Priority: 1000 > ############################################################# > > > > > Next, I installed the kernel package I wanted from Intrepid using the > following command: > ~$ sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic/intrepid > > This installed the specified package, no other package had to pulled in > from Intrepid. > > Rebooted into the new kernel and everything went well. The following > references were most helpful in doing this: > http://aldeby.org/blog/index.php/mixing-hardy-stable-and-intrepid-testing-repositories.html > http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html > http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 02:10:11 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:10:11 -0800 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> H.S. wrote: > Hi, > > Is 2.6.26 kernel included in Hardy? I tried installing this version but > looks like it is not in the repos, or I am missing something. > > If this kernel is not in Hardy, how do I go about getting it as a Ubuntu > package? > > Thanks. > Woops!!! Never mind, and ignore my previous post! I just noticed that the person I credited with the needed information I quoted was the person asking this question, so something must be different for the earlier kernel or he wouldn't be asking again. Guess I better check to see who I'm replying to before posting. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From redmondtux at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 02:23:41 2009 From: redmondtux at gmail.com (Redmond Tux) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:23:41 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu doesn't recognize RAID5 array - what to do? In-Reply-To: <49AA19BD.3020607@gatech.edu> References: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> <49AA19BD.3020607@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <2cbd7eff0903011823i416af8ebv34898b19f0dc56c3@mail.gmail.com> Okay, here's the output: $ ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-01 17:32 6c167cb1-5210-4bc0-9ebe-8deed516b7e5 -> ../../sdb1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-01 17:32 f9d6790c-478c-43e1-bd56-e2ddf9bfa248 -> ../../sdb5 andrew at npimediacenter:~$ df -Th Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sdb1 ext3 15G 2.7G 11G 20% / tmpfs tmpfs 1.7G 0 1.7G 0% /lib/init/rw varrun tmpfs 1.7G 100K 1.7G 1% /var/run varlock tmpfs 1.7G 0 1.7G 0% /var/lock udev tmpfs 1.7G 2.9M 1.7G 1% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 1.7G 104K 1.7G 1% /dev/shm lrm tmpfs 1.7G 2.0M 1.7G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/volatile $ cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sdb1 UUID=6c167cb1-5210-4bc0-9ebe-8deed516b7e5 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/sdb5 UUID=f9d6790c-478c-43e1-bd56-e2ddf9bfa248 none swap sw 0 0 redmondtux On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen < matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote: > Redmond Tux wrote: > > A few weeks ago I reinstalled the latest version of Ubuntu (wanted a > > clean start) and discovered, to my unpleasant surprise, that Ubuntu > > doesn't recognize my RAID5 array. > > > > Previously, it was recognized as "Adaptec" (that's the hardware > > controller that all the drives are tethered to). > > Are you expecting HAL to handle you non-removable media? I would use > fstab for that. > > > In My Computer, instead of showing "Adaptec" it just says "SCSI Drive". > > This to me suggests it isn't recognizing my array. I have looked around > > and can't find a solution. > > Can you post the output of: > > ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l > df -Th > cat /etc/fstab > > Matt Flaschen > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 02:52:03 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:52:03 -0800 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? Message-ID: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> Hello, Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" address, with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. I'm being real careful to click "Reply" and not "Reply All" and in the past this has never been a problem. Has something happened to the configuration of the group's email distribution program? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 2 03:02:46 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:02:46 -0500 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Hello, > > Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to > get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" address, > with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete > the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. > > I'm being real careful to click "Reply" and not "Reply All" and in the > past this has never been a problem. Has something happened to the > configuration of the group's email distribution program? > > Later, Ray Parrish > I dont think its the mailman list settings, but rather whoever your replying to maybe and what mail agent they used? I notice the same thing happens sporadically with some mails I receive, and your using thunderbird the same as me right? -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 03:09:59 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:09:59 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> Message-ID: Ray Parrish wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is 2.6.26 kernel included in Hardy? I tried installing this version but >> looks like it is not in the repos, or I am missing something. >> >> If this kernel is not in Hardy, how do I go about getting it as a Ubuntu >> package? >> >> Thanks. >> > Woops!!! Never mind, and ignore my previous post! I just noticed that > the person I credited with the needed information I quoted was the > person asking this question, so something must be different for the > earlier kernel or he wouldn't be asking again. Guess I better check to > see who I'm replying to before posting. 8-) > > Later, Ray Parrish > No problem :) The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even Intrepid doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it wouldn't have been a problem. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 03:17:22 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:17:22 -0800 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> steve wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to >> get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" address, >> with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete >> the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. >> >> I'm being real careful to click "Reply" and not "Reply All" and in the >> past this has never been a problem. Has something happened to the >> configuration of the group's email distribution program? >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > > I dont think its the mailman list settings, but rather whoever your > replying to maybe and what mail agent they used? I notice the same > thing happens sporadically with some mails I receive, and your using > thunderbird the same as me right? > Yes, I use Thunderbird. This has only occurred a few times over the past few days, and never before, so I wasn't suspecting Thunderbird. What setting in their email client could a person make to cause this to happen when I reply to them? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From markfpyles at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 03:22:01 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:22:01 -0500 Subject: What software will work with quickcam pro by logitech? In-Reply-To: <49AB3D31.1080801@cmc.net> References: <499E02A0.20802@gmail.com> <1235115148.4777.65.camel@chronic> <499E6773.1060307@cmc.net> <49AB1FA8.6020003@gmail.com> <49AB3D31.1080801@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AB50D9.4000605@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Mark Pyles wrote: > >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >>>> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:08 -0500, Mark Pyles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> quickcam pro webcam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have found that often there are good references right on my own >>> system, that teach me more about Linux than I've learned anywhere else >>> so far. The following link it to a How To that is probably already on >>> your computer.. [note the "file" protocol at the start of the link] >>> >>> >>> >>> If that link doesn't work for you, open Synaptic, and search on >>> "linux-nonfree", and install the documentation package that is >>> available. It has How To's on a very wide variety of Ubuntu specific >>> questions. >>> >>> I hope this helps you get our web cam set up. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Ray: >> >> Thank you very much. Cheese works great!! Thanks again! >> >> Mark >> > You're quite welcome! I'm glad you got it sorted out. Now if you'd like > to really get on top of Ubuntu and Linux have a look at the following > page, and install all of the packages it recommends, then spend some > time reading the docs they install. 8-) > > > > Later, Ray Parrish > > Hi Ray: Thank you for the link to linux documentation. That is very handy! I will bookmark your site as a favorite to refer back to! Thanks again! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 04:23:12 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:23:12 -0800 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: <956c96920903011436gd38af42m2851f1477d7f3185@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903011237vca347bdpfda306dd8e5edc11@mail.gmail.com> <956c96920903011436gd38af42m2851f1477d7f3185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/01/2009 02:36 PM, dwain wrote: > thanks to all who contributed their piece of information. now comes the > decision. but just one last question. my friend is computer illiterate and > i will be teaching him. which program is the most intuitive? > Then I'd recommend something very simple link kmymoney, homebanking or grisby: http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-home.html http://homebank.free.fr/ http://www.grisbi.org/index.en.html All can be installed directly from synaptics or from the command line via the terminal: sudo apt-get install kmymoney2 sudo apt-get install homebank homebank-data sudo apt-get install grisbi sudo apt-get install Try one, or all & see which *you* are most comfortable with, then suggest that one. You can easily uninstall the one(s) that you don't like and/or feel comfortable with. That's the beauty of Ubuntu/linux; freedom to choose & try. Note: I actually use gnucash, but I have business reasons for doing so. From huisiwang at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 04:25:23 2009 From: huisiwang at gmail.com (Huisi Wang) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:25:23 +0800 Subject: Where can I find packages of Feisty Message-ID: Hi everybody, I have a server running Feisty on it. I have to install something new. But I cannot find any available source for Feisty. Do you know where I can find pacakges of Feisty? Thank you very much! Huisi From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Mar 2 04:33:16 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:33:16 +1100 Subject: Where can I find packages of Feisty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1235968396.12367.332.camel@karl> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:25 +0800, Huisi Wang wrote: > I have a server running Feisty on it. I have to install something new. > But I cannot find any available source for Feisty. Do you know where I > can find pacakges of Feisty? Yes! I had exactly this question a few days ago, and someone came up with the perfect answer. Use this server (you will need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list): old-releases.ubuntu.com Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 04:34:00 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:34:00 -0800 Subject: What software will work with quickcam pro by logitech? In-Reply-To: <49AB50D9.4000605@gmail.com> References: <499E02A0.20802@gmail.com> <1235115148.4777.65.camel@chronic> <499E6773.1060307@cmc.net> <49AB1FA8.6020003@gmail.com> <49AB3D31.1080801@cmc.net> <49AB50D9.4000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AB61B8.10808@cmc.net> Mark Pyles wrote: > > > Ray Parrish wrote: >> Mark Pyles wrote: >> >>> Ray Parrish wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 20:08 -0500, Mark Pyles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> quickcam pro webcam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have found that often there are good references right on my own >>>> system, that teach me more about Linux than I've learned anywhere else >>>> so far. The following link it to a How To that is probably already on >>>> your computer.. [note the "file" protocol at the start of the link] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If that link doesn't work for you, open Synaptic, and search on >>>> "linux-nonfree", and install the documentation package that is >>>> available. It has How To's on a very wide variety of Ubuntu specific >>>> questions. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps you get our web cam set up. >>>> >>>> Later, Ray Parrish >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Ray: >>> >>> Thank you very much. Cheese works great!! Thanks again! >>> >>> Mark >>> >> You're quite welcome! I'm glad you got it sorted out. Now if you'd like >> to really get on top of Ubuntu and Linux have a look at the following >> page, and install all of the packages it recommends, then spend some >> time reading the docs they install. 8-) >> >> >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > > Hi Ray: > > Thank you for the link to linux documentation. That is very handy! I > will bookmark your site as a favorite to refer back to! Thanks again! > > Mark No, thank you! I'm always happy to attract a new user to my web site. I'll try to keep writing useful pages in the future. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dwain.alford at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:10:57 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:10:57 -0600 Subject: banking program akin to m$ money? In-Reply-To: References: <956c96920902282030v128c2137ia86a1593e717a51e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903011237vca347bdpfda306dd8e5edc11@mail.gmail.com> <956c96920903011436gd38af42m2851f1477d7f3185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <956c96920903012110t6d5f2a13pbad959d97c56de35@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM, NoOp wrote: > > Then I'd recommend something very simple link kmymoney, homebanking or > grisby: > > Try one, or all & see which *you* are most comfortable with, then > suggest that one. You can easily uninstall the one(s) that you don't > like and/or feel comfortable with. That's the beauty of Ubuntu/linux; > freedom to choose & try. excellent idea! i'll load them all and let my friend choose which is best for him! cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:23:01 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:23:01 -0300 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > steve wrote: >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to >>> get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" address, >>> with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete >>> the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. >>> >>> I'm being real careful to click "Reply" and not "Reply All" and in the >>> past this has never been a problem. Has something happened to the >>> configuration of the group's email distribution program? >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >>> >>> >> >> I dont think its the mailman list settings, but rather whoever your >> replying to maybe and what mail agent they used?  I notice the same >> thing happens sporadically with some mails I receive, and your using >> thunderbird the same as me right? >> > Yes, I use Thunderbird. This has only occurred a few times over the past > few days, and never before, so I wasn't suspecting Thunderbird. > > What setting in their email client could a person make to cause this to > happen when I reply to them? > > Later, Ray Parrish > > -- > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Perhaps when the OP sets 'Reply to" in his email? L. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 05:35:27 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:35:27 -0800 Subject: how-to revert cups update? In-Reply-To: <1235766735.11630.12.camel@ubuntu-desktop> References: <1235766735.11630.12.camel@ubuntu-desktop> Message-ID: On 02/27/2009 12:32 PM, bill walton wrote: > I recently did a system update that included a cups update(s) for > USN-707-1. > > I have a USB printer attached: Star Micronics Thermal Printer, Model > TSP100. It was working fine as-of 2.91.2009. > > Now I get... > >>From Printer configuration -> Print Test Page, I get a dialog that says: I'd recommend that you contact Star Micronics as they support Ubuntu 8.04: http://www.starmicronics.com/Supports/Download.aspx They have probably run across this since the security update & may be your best source. From huisiwang at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 05:58:40 2009 From: huisiwang at gmail.com (Huisi Wang) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:58:40 +0800 Subject: Where can I find packages of Feisty In-Reply-To: <1235968396.12367.332.camel@karl> References: <1235968396.12367.332.camel@karl> Message-ID: Hey, that's what I need! Thank you very much! Regards, Huisi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:25 +0800, Huisi Wang wrote: >> I have a server running Feisty on it. I have to install something new. >> But I cannot find any available source for Feisty. Do you know where I >> can find pacakges of Feisty? > > Yes! I had exactly this question a few days ago, and someone came up > with the perfect answer. Use this server (you will need to > edit /etc/apt/sources.list): > >   old-releases.ubuntu.com > > Regards, K. > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)                   +61-2-64957160 (h) > http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/                  +61-428-957160 (mob) > > GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Best regards, Huisi From dwain.alford at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 06:08:57 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:08:57 -0600 Subject: radeon 230m video card support? Message-ID: <956c96920903012208g1efeffafle92a895480c13a63@mail.gmail.com> i would like to convert my laptop to 8.10. installation begins ok. i've got video, but at some point during the installation process i lose video. scrambled, colored screen. any ideas? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For most of them, the local settings were still in the home directory so she had to do little setup once I got the "bigger picture" taken care of. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ Peace is not a relationship of nations. It is a condition of mind brought about by a serenity of soul. Lasting peace can come only to peaceful people. --Jawaharlal Nehru From rolf at restofus.org Mon Mar 2 06:11:38 2009 From: rolf at restofus.org (David Stuart) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:11:38 -0700 Subject: Yaourt or portage like system for ubuntu Message-ID: <455b59280903012211y46502a35q7ff0436f7949ad23@mail.gmail.com> Recently I've enjoyed building my packages from source. Source in APT, however, tends to be severely out-dated. Are there any programs like Yaourt or Gentoo's Portage for Ubuntu? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 07:26:05 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:26:05 -0800 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49AB8A0D.7060405@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> >>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, seems your video board has indeed a >>> resident memory of 256Mb, and requires at least another 128 Mb (RAM >>> memory) for managing, thus leaving 384Mb of free RAM. (?) >>> >>> >> Well , unless someone snuck into my house, and installed some extra RAM >> in my computer that I haven't noticed yet, the video card using 256 MB's >> of RAM only leaves my main RAM with the other half of the 512 MB's in my >> machine which is 256 MB's as well. >> > > No, I think Lucio is probably at least close. Many video cards have their > _own_ on-board memory. In fact, I think since you have an actual video > card, rather than intel-on-the-motherboard, it's likely. I'm not sure that > your video has 256MB, I rather think it's 128MB of its own memory, and > 128MB of your system's memory. So the system sees it as using 256MB, and > it's still only using 128MB of main memory. > > I'd want to try telling your BIOS to use _less_ memory, and see what > happens - seems to me any system still limping along on a mere .5GB of main > memory doesn't need to be running video modes that need 256M > Hello, The whole point of this thread has been to discover why things in Ubuntu report the figure of 256 MBs allocated to my "on board" not separate video card, when I have the BIOS set to 128 MBs for the video card's shared memory allocation. I looked at the motherboard's web site today. It's a First International Computers, Inc. K8MC51G that uses an Nvidia chipset. There wasn't much information, just a short list of basic capabilities. I installed hwinfo today, and have just ran it. It offers a framebuffer parameter, but when i use it, it returns nothing. I used the -all parameter and in the output I found the following for the video card. Driver Modules: "nvidia" Memory Range: 0xfb000000-0xfbffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff (rw,prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xfc000000-0xfcffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x30000000-0x3001ffff (ro,prefetchable,disabled) However I don't know for sure what the numbers are. I used my calculator to try to convert the numbers to decimal, but when I plug them in as hex and try to convert, the second number in the first row returns the error "no sane value" from the calculator. The same happens if I try it as octal first and try to convert to decimal. It's been too long since I went to college, so I don't remember what I'm doing with numbers of this sort. I was trying to convert the portions after the 0x and I'm not sure if that is what I should be doing with them. Anyway, if someone can tell me what the numbers above mean we can see what particular utility is returning. Anybody out there currently in a college level math class? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 07:29:46 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:29:46 -0800 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> I'd want to try telling your BIOS to use _less_ memory, and see what >> happens - seems to me any system still limping along on a mere .5GB of main >> memory doesn't need to be running video modes that need 256MB >> -- >> derek >> > > Absolutely, I would allocate the minimum needed for the required > resolution. It could be as little as 8Mb. (and see what happens). > > L. > Somehow I don't think that compiz would work very well with only 8MB of video memory even if there were a way to set it that low. My system isn't limping along either, it seems to work just fine, with the exception of an occasional gray out of a program while it's doing something intensive. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 2 07:41:22 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:41:22 +0100 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> Message-ID: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> H.S. wrote: > The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even Intrepid > doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it wouldn't have > been a problem. Usually there is only one kernel version available for individual Ubuntu versions. It is the kernel version which was distributed with the original release. There will be bug fixes but not a new kernel version. The kernel distributed with 8.04 was 2.6.24-15 (IIRC) and now we have 2.6.24-23 but don't expect to find 2.6.25 or even higher versions for 8.04 in any supported repository. The reason is stability - some hardware may no longer work with a newer kernel version and that would be very bad for any released distribution. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 2 07:47:10 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:47:10 +0100 Subject: Where can I find packages of Feisty In-Reply-To: <1235968396.12367.332.camel@karl> References: <1235968396.12367.332.camel@karl> Message-ID: <200903020847.10627.kassube@gmx.net> Karl Auer wrote: > Yes! I had exactly this question a few days ago, and someone came up > with the perfect answer. Use this server (you will need to > edit /etc/apt/sources.list): > > old-releases.ubuntu.com And please don't expect any security fixes because Feisty is EOL. Better upgrade to 8.04 or 8.10. Nils From ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk Mon Mar 2 09:41:35 2009 From: ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk (Andy Rogers) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:41:35 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Installing Januty Armel On NSLU2 Message-ID: <6433.62.49.140.10.1235986895.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hi If I have sent this to the incorrect list, please let me know where it should go and I will repost... Over the past few days I have been trying to install the latest Jaunty build on my NSLU2, but seem to be having some problems. I am using the latest di-nslu2.bin from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/jaunty/main/installer-armel/20081029ubuntu22/images/ixp4xx/netboot/ and it fixes all the previous problems of too much memory being used & the locale language issue that has been also reported. However now when Iam comming the end of the install, selecting the option from the menu of "Finish Instillation", Iam getting asked a a little about UTC time which I choose Yes to and then after a couple of minutes I loose my SSH connection to my NSLU2. I can relog back into it again but end back at the installer menu on "Finish Instillation", but if I select this again it just drops my SSH connection. Has anyone been able to successfully install Januty on a NSLU2? Am I doing anything wrong? I have previously had Debian Lenny 5 installed with no problems during & after instillation. Iam mounting Januty to my USB Harddrive. With the Debian 5 instillation, in the Instillation menu there is an option of "Install Boot Loader" & "Countinue Without Bootloader". In the Jaunty installer there is only "Countinue Without Bootloader". Is this correct or is their a menu option missing? Thanks Andrew From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Mon Mar 2 09:59:17 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:59:17 +0100 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> Ray Parrish wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >>> I'd want to try telling your BIOS to use _less_ memory, and see what >>> happens - seems to me any system still limping along on a mere .5GB of main >>> memory doesn't need to be running video modes that need 256MB >>> -- >>> derek >>> >> Absolutely, I would allocate the minimum needed for the required >> resolution. It could be as little as 8Mb. (and see what happens). >> >> L. >> > Somehow I don't think that compiz would work very well with only 8MB of > video memory even if there were a way to set it that low. My system > isn't limping along either, it seems to work just fine, with the > exception of an occasional gray out of a program while it's doing > something intensive. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Ray, Using the calculator in Gnome (Scientific form) it calculates without any problem the hex to dec conversion: FBFFFFFF = 4227858431 Choose Hex and enter the figures (of course without 0x). Then choose Dec. That's all. Joep From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:17:47 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:17:47 +0200 Subject: More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?) In-Reply-To: <49AA9716.1080400@gatech.edu> References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> <880dece00903010552m668d05dxb0af92eec8b9baf7@mail.gmail.com> <49AA9716.1080400@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <880dece00903020217p6423023drcc3dfac0c8561e00@mail.gmail.com> > Did you read what I said, "pretend you started a new thread".  I am well > aware of the difference (thanks to Thunderbird). It's just that I find > the new trend of not even bothering to change the subject highly disturbing. > The poster should not pretend anything. He should start a new thread. This is not a new trend, this has been annoying mailing list regulars since the early 1990s, maybe sooner. The faster that new list member realize this, the less compound frustration there will be. Don't even defend your position. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 11:22:34 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT Message-ID: Originally posted to tomcat: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user/178881 All too often I find myself waiting for this: thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:36471 TIME_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36466 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36467 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36469 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36470 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36468 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT thufir at arrakis:~$ to change to this: thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* LISTEN thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ Now, maybe I'm using tomcat incorrectly, or maybe not. I'm not sure. What I understand is that this "wait" setting might be configurable, but I'm not sure how. I would like to either just automagically fix it by changing a setting, or figure out why it occurs. There are many results in google about this, but none that I found were particularly helpful. thanks, Thufir From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 11:38:32 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:38:32 -0800 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> Joep L. Blom wrote: > Ray, > Using the calculator in Gnome (Scientific form) it calculates without > any problem the hex to dec conversion: > FBFFFFFF = 4227858431 > > Choose Hex and enter the figures (of course without 0x). Then choose Dec. > That's all. > Joep > OK, that's what I was using the first time. For some reason when I try it again now it works. I don't know why it tossed an error before. Anyway, here are the numbers I get after converting the following memory ranges. Memory Range: 0xfb000000-0xfbffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff (rw,prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xfc000000-0xfcffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x30000000-0x3001ffff (ro,prefetchable,disabled) For each range above I subtracted the first number from the second after converting them to decimal. I then divide that result by 1024 twice to convert to MB's. Here are the results I get for each row. 15.999999046 255.999999046 15.999999046 0.124999046 Adding those together gives the result. - 288.124996185 If I only divide the last memory range by 1024 once I get this result. 127.999023438 So... I'm not too sure what this is saying, as I do not know what the memory ranges are specifying for sure. The second memory range matches the reported 256 MB's reported by most utilities in Ubuntu, and dividing the last memory range by 1024 only once matches 128 MB's but that decimal number before division is only 131070.999658496 so if it's in bytes it doesn't make sense to only divide once. Anybody out there write device drivers for video cards? I guess I'll just have to continue to be mystified as to how much memory my card is actually using. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From schoeffel at fh-bingen.de Mon Mar 2 11:41:08 2009 From: schoeffel at fh-bingen.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stephan_Sch=F6ffel?=) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:41:08 +0100 Subject: Tomcat start script / Can't find CATALINA_BASE Message-ID: <49ABC5D4.10001@fh-bingen.de> Hi, I have a problem here with running tomcat from the start script in /etc/init.d. The root-account somehow does not know the CATALINA_BASE variable i exported in /etc/profile like this: CATALINA_BASE="/var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf" export CATALINA_BASE The normal user knows the path, though: webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ echo $CATALINA_BASE /var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ sudo echo $CATALINA_BASE /var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ sudo bash root at webuntis:~# echo $CATALINA_BASE root at webuntis:~# Any idea, what to do? --Stephan From schoeffel at fh-bingen.de Mon Mar 2 11:46:24 2009 From: schoeffel at fh-bingen.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stephan_Sch=F6ffel?=) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:46:24 +0100 Subject: Tomcat start script / Can't find CATALINA_BASE In-Reply-To: <49ABC5D4.10001@fh-bingen.de> References: <49ABC5D4.10001@fh-bingen.de> Message-ID: <49ABC710.90309@fh-bingen.de> Stephan Schöffel schrieb: > Hi, > > I have a problem here with running tomcat from the start script in > /etc/init.d. The root-account somehow does not know the CATALINA_BASE > variable i exported in /etc/profile like this: > > > CATALINA_BASE="/var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf" > export CATALINA_BASE > > > The normal user knows the path, though: > > webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ echo $CATALINA_BASE > /var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf > webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ > > webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ sudo echo $CATALINA_BASE > /var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf > > webuntisuser at webuntis:~$ sudo bash > root at webuntis:~# echo $CATALINA_BASE > > root at webuntis:~# > > > Any idea, what to do? > > > --Stephan > > > The ../conf version of the path was only a try, but it wont wokr the other way (ie the path without /conf) either. From signdog at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 12:03:31 2009 From: signdog at gmail.com (Gary Herbert) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:03:31 -0500 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1826f5900903020403q253c7703k809627755410c33b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: >> > steve wrote: >> >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello, >> >>> >> >>> Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to >> >>> get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" >> address, >> >>> with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete >> >>> the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. >> >>> >> >>> I'm being real careful to click "Reply" and not "Reply All >> >>> >> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >> > I am getting the same problem sometimes... I can uses straight Gmail or Thunderbird IMAP under gmail.. It makes no difference... I had a moderator of a group I am on get upset because when I replyed he got a copy in his inbox... I think I will CC him this thread... Gary H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Mon Mar 2 12:05:37 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:05:37 +0100 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49ABCB91.4000601@neuroweave.nl> Ray Parrish wrote: >> > OK, that's what I was using the first time. For some reason when I try > it again now it works. I don't know why it tossed an error before. > > Anyway, here are the numbers I get after converting the following memory > ranges. > > Memory Range: 0xfb000000-0xfbffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) > Memory Range: 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff (rw,prefetchable) > Memory Range: 0xfc000000-0xfcffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) > Memory Range: 0x30000000-0x3001ffff (ro,prefetchable,disabled) > > For each range above I subtracted the first number from the second after > converting them to decimal. I then divide that result by 1024 twice to > convert to MB's. Here are the results I get for each row. > > 15.999999046 > 255.999999046 > 15.999999046 > 0.124999046 > > Adding those together gives the result. - > > 288.124996185 > > If I only divide the last memory range by 1024 once I get this result. > > 127.999023438 > > So... I'm not too sure what this is saying, as I do not know what the > memory ranges are specifying for sure. The second memory range matches > the reported 256 MB's reported by most utilities in Ubuntu, and dividing > the last memory range by 1024 only once matches 128 MB's but that > decimal number before division is only 131070.999658496 so if it's in > bytes it doesn't make sense to only divide once. > > Anybody out there write device drivers for video cards? > > I guess I'll just have to continue to be mystified as to how much memory > my card is actually using. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Ray, This URL is I think of interest for you. http://www.folder101.com/CompHardware/Notes/MemMap/MemoryMap.htm Joep From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 12:21:38 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:21:38 -0500 Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <9b06e8d20903011246h30c7e9ci32838f53a04fd84@mail.gmail.com> References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b06e8d20903011246h30c7e9ci32838f53a04fd84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABCF52.5020903@gatech.edu> Loïc Grenié wrote: > (this is a big collection of libraries, but it contains /lib/libpthread-2.7.so > that implements pthread_* functions). Well,/lib/libpthread-2.7.so is not exactly the source. Loïc, start at libc/nptl/pthread_create.c (http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libc/nptl/pthread_create.c?rev=1.60&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=glibc), libc/nptl/sysdeps/pthread/createthread.c (http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libc/nptl/sysdeps/pthread/createthread.c?rev=1.23.2.7&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=glibc). Obviously, those links aren't the exact sources used by Ubuntu, but it's a good starting point. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 12:25:54 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:25:54 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu doesn't recognize RAID5 array - what to do? In-Reply-To: <2cbd7eff0903011823i416af8ebv34898b19f0dc56c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> <49AA19BD.3020607@gatech.edu> <2cbd7eff0903011823i416af8ebv34898b19f0dc56c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABD052.2030902@gatech.edu> Redmond Tux wrote: > Okay, here's the output: > > $ ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l > total 0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-01 17:32 > 6c167cb1-5210-4bc0-9ebe-8deed516b7e5 -> ../../sdb1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-01 17:32 > f9d6790c-478c-43e1-bd56-e2ddf9bfa248 -> ../../sdb5 Well, it's only detecting two disks, one of which is your / and the other of which is swap. I am somewhat surprised your RAID array is not a listed device. It may be a driver issue, but I don't have any further suggestions. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 12:36:46 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:36:46 -0500 Subject: Tomcat start script / Can't find CATALINA_BASE In-Reply-To: <49ABC5D4.10001@fh-bingen.de> References: <49ABC5D4.10001@fh-bingen.de> Message-ID: <49ABD2DE.2040501@gatech.edu> Stephan Schöffel wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem here with running tomcat from the start script in > /etc/init.d. The root-account somehow does not know the CATALINA_BASE > variable i exported in /etc/profile like this: > > > CATALINA_BASE="/var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf" > export CATALINA_BASE /etc/profile is only read by login shells. Put it in /etc/bash.bashrc (since you're using bash). Also you can do it in one line: export CATALINA_BASE="/var/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/conf" Matt Flaschen From larryesu at charter.net Mon Mar 2 13:49:47 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:49:47 -0600 Subject: How to access a SanDisk 2gb usb flash drive...??? In-Reply-To: <87vdqtf5z9.fsf@vp.pl> References: <49AACD4C.7080302@charter.net> <87vdqtf5z9.fsf@vp.pl> Message-ID: <49ABE3FB.6020605@charter.net> Jan Litwin'ski wrote: > Larry Shields writes: > > >> *I have a Sandisk 2gb flash drive, but I can not seem to access it, to >> use it... >> It show's up when using 'lsusb', but how can one figure out how to >> mount this usb flash drive so that I can use it...??? >> > > sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt > > in this example /dev/sdb1 is your disk partition of your flassh. > First chech it with sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb (change it to the first available > drive in your system) > > *Hello Jan, Well as of the morning, when I booted up Ubuntu, the flash drive was in, and on the desktop, it showed 2.0 GB media...This was the first tie that it has shown up... Now when I move too /media, it now shows /media/disk <- the disk never showed up before, I now can cd to /media/disk, then do an ls it shows everything on the flash drive... I have even copied a few pictures to the pictures folder, so in all it does work...Why it didn't prior is beyond me... So thank you for responding back to my posting... Have a great day... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 2 13:38:09 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:38:09 -0400 Subject: Both cable and wifi active, not a bug? References: <574d6c740903011735l11a47e8et9347f4d9f6de2b67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5384115.ZT6SZpE2Zc@cedar.serverforest.com> Fajar Priyanto wrote: > Again about network-manager. > Using 8.10, now both my eth0 (cable) and eth1(cable) are active and > gets ip from dhcp. > I remember, network-manager used to give priority to cable whenever > possible, but know it connects both of them. > Is it a bug? I asked in #ubuntu channel and someone said it's a feature. It sounds like a feature to me - provided it handles it well. That is, I can envision situations where I can have both enabled, and even make use of both; but I have also had situations where both were accessible, but the DHCP server on one network wasn't. I really don't want it to set up my network with the default gateway on that interface - because the odds are I can't actually get anywhere on it. I would hope it sets the default gateway to (1) only a network that actually promises one via dhcp and (2) on the _faster_ connection if both offer a gateway. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 2 13:30:43 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:30:43 -0400 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1746155.W8VgN7rgly@cedar.serverforest.com> steve wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: >> >> Over the past several days I've noticed that some messages I reply to >> get the OP's email address used in the reply as the main "To:" address, >> with the group's email as an added "To:" field. I then have to delete >> the OP's email address to avoid sending two messages. ... > I dont think its the mailman list settings, but rather whoever your > replying to maybe and what mail agent they used? I notice the same > thing happens sporadically with some mails I receive, and your using > thunderbird the same as me right? Check the original posts to see if they have a "reply-to" header. I hate when people do that, because I use gmane news & knode, and rather than sending the same message via both nntp and mail, knode actually opens up a kmail editor to send the mail copy - which can have different text from the newsgroup reply! (However, I don't complain to the OPs, because it's clearly a software problem on my end). -- derek From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Mar 2 14:35:11 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:35:11 -0700 Subject: radeon 230m video card support? In-Reply-To: <956c96920903012208g1efeffafle92a895480c13a63@mail.gmail.com> References: <956c96920903012208g1efeffafle92a895480c13a63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302073511.6daa2e13@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:08:57 -0600 dwain wrote: > i would like to convert my laptop to 8.10. installation begins ok. > i've got video, but at some point during the installation process i > lose video. scrambled, colored screen. any ideas? > > cheers, > dwain > I don't know if it will work, but you could try doing the installation using "Safe graphics mode" (hit F4 on the installation menu) It almost sounds like it is putting the video to sleep and and not waking it up properly. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 14:43:54 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:43:54 -0200 Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903020643v7077f43cm837c0fe2116afcee@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Thufir wrote: > I would like to either just automagically fix it by changing a setting, > or figure out why it occurs.  There are many results in google about > this, but none that I found were particularly helpful. Does TIME_WAIT cause problems or is just a aesthetic issue? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:10:49 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:10:49 -0800 Subject: [OT] (was:More noise....(was: thunderbird 3 packaged?)) References: <49A7D2DE.8020502@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79B8C@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A7DFF2.3040902@lab.vectoris.fr> <647BEFA867D70640B1AA1B6472297E65A79BAF@CAPPRWMMBX01.central.ad.capita.co.uk> <49A834A4.4030004@gatech.edu> <37dd75b0902271049j3ae9b472sd13128017a5db10@mail.gmail.com> <49AA4273.1030001@gatech.edu> <880dece00903010552m668d05dxb0af92eec8b9baf7@mail.gmail.com> <49AA9716.1080400@gatech.edu> <880dece00903020217p6423023drcc3dfac0c8561e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: [Matthew]>> Did you read what I said, "pretend you started a new thread".  I am >> well aware of the difference (thanks to Thunderbird). It's just that I >> find the new trend of not even bothering to change the subject highly >> disturbing. >> >> [Dotan]> The poster should not pretend anything. He should start a new thread. > This is not a new trend, this has been annoying mailing list regulars > since the early 1990s, maybe sooner. The faster that new list member > realize this, the less compound frustration there will be. > Well, when I read Matthew's post I didn't think he was advocating what he was describing, just that things were degenerating further in terms of posting style. Perhaps, I misunderstood him. [Dotan]> Don't even defend your position. > However, this statement of yours, I view as inappropriate and somewhat frightening for a community where we disagree on things often. I must have misunderstood you, you can't mean that every time someone makes that statement we should all stop discussing, or is that exactly what you mean? BTW, I agree with you that posters should learn to start new threads rather than hijacking. I also agree that new posters would benefit from learning the community standards. From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:23:36 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT References: <84250c9c0903020643v7077f43cm837c0fe2116afcee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:43:54 -0200, Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Thufir wrote: >> I would like to either just automagically fix it by changing a setting, >> or figure out why it occurs.  There are many results in google about >> this, but none that I found were particularly helpful. > > Does TIME_WAIT cause problems or is just a aesthetic issue? Until everything "clears" I cannot run tomcat apps, so it's inconvenient to say the least. It didn't happen in the past and only started recently, for reasons which escape me. -Thufir From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Mar 2 15:27:02 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:27:02 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu doesn't recognize RAID5 array - what to do? In-Reply-To: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> References: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Redmond Tux wrote: > A few weeks ago I reinstalled the latest version of Ubuntu (wanted a > clean start) and discovered, to my unpleasant surprise, that Ubuntu > doesn't recognize my RAID5 array. > > Previously, it was recognized as "Adaptec" (that's the hardware > controller that all the drives are tethered to). Who did recognize it as "Adaptec", i.e. which software did you use, when it was correctly detected? Eberhard From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:51:05 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:51:05 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nils Kassube wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even Intrepid >> doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it wouldn't have >> been a problem. > > Usually there is only one kernel version available for individual Ubuntu > versions. It is the kernel version which was distributed with the > original release. There will be bug fixes but not a new kernel version. > The kernel distributed with 8.04 was 2.6.24-15 (IIRC) and now we have > 2.6.24-23 but don't expect to find 2.6.25 or even higher versions for Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? I was hoping that Intrepid had 2.6.26 in its repos. > 8.04 in any supported repository. The reason is stability - some > hardware may no longer work with a newer kernel version and that would > be very bad for any released distribution. > This appears to be already the case in Intrepid: 2.6.27 broke some webcam support (e.g. vx-1000), which were working fine until 2.6.26. If Intrepid had 2.6.26 kernel as well in its repos, then the users could have easily reverted to that kernel. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Mar 2 16:07:12 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090302090712.0b71ebdd@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:51:05 -0500 "H.S." wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > H.S. wrote: > >> The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even Intrepid > >> doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it wouldn't > >> have been a problem. > > > > Usually there is only one kernel version available for individual > > Ubuntu versions. It is the kernel version which was distributed > > with the original release. There will be bug fixes but not a new > > kernel version. The kernel distributed with 8.04 was 2.6.24-15 > > (IIRC) and now we have 2.6.24-23 but don't expect to find 2.6.25 or > > even higher versions for > > > Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like > Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? > > I was hoping that Intrepid had 2.6.26 in its repos. > > > > 8.04 in any supported repository. The reason is stability - some > > hardware may no longer work with a newer kernel version and that > > would be very bad for any released distribution. > > > > This appears to be already the case in Intrepid: 2.6.27 broke some > webcam support (e.g. vx-1000), which were working fine until 2.6.26. > If Intrepid had 2.6.26 kernel as well in its repos, then the users > could have easily reverted to that kernel. > > Regards. > I could be wrong, probably am wrong. I thought 2.6.26 was the kernel tested in Intrepid that screwed up the wireless real bad. Didn't it cause most wireless cards to get dropped? -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 2 16:57:45 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:57:45 +0100 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> H.S. wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > H.S. wrote: > >> The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even > >> Intrepid doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it > >> wouldn't have been a problem. > > > > Usually there is only one kernel version available for individual > > Ubuntu versions. It is the kernel version which was distributed > > with the original release. There will be bug fixes but not a new > > kernel version. The kernel distributed with 8.04 was 2.6.24-15 > > (IIRC) and now we have 2.6.24-23 but don't expect to find 2.6.25 or > > even higher versions for > > Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like > Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? > > I was hoping that Intrepid had 2.6.26 in its repos. That has nothing to do with LTS. It is the same with every Ubuntu version. Some time before the release date there is a decision which kernel (and other software) version will be supplied with the upcoming release. For Intrepid there was 2.6.27 available in time and therefore that version was used and not 2.6.26. For Ubuntu there is a release schedule of 6 months between releases. For the kernel there is no such schedule. Nils From fluca1978 at infinito.it Mon Mar 2 17:02:03 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:02:03 +0100 Subject: squidguard substituion Message-ID: <200903021802.03962.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi all, I'm running squid proxy on ubuntu, and I use squidguard for checking and granting permission to web sites. Even if very good, I'm searching for a squidguard substitute. Any clue? Thanks, Luca From fluca1978 at infinito.it Mon Mar 2 17:03:04 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:03:04 +0100 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls Message-ID: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi, I'd like to know if there is any specific "fork" of ubuntu for firewalls and if the server edition has enough capabilities to play as firewall, and/or which addons you believe are a must for such machine. Thanks, Luca From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:11:13 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:11:13 -0500 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> Yes, I use Thunderbird. This has only occurred a few times over the past >> few days, and never before, so I wasn't suspecting Thunderbird. >> >> What setting in their email client could a person make to cause this to >> happen when I reply to them? >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> -- >> Human reviewed index of links about the computer >> http://www.rayslinks.com >> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic >> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ >> >> > Perhaps when the OP sets 'Reply to" in his email? This problem is because the Reply-To: header is being overridden. Really, the correct header for mailing lists is List-Post (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html), which ubuntu-users does send. Problem is, barely any clients support this yet. There is a Thunderbird extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/576) that is meant to provide Reply to List using List-Post though. Matt Flaschen From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:14:23 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:23 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nils Kassube wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> >> I was hoping that Intrepid had 2.6.26 in its repos. > > That has nothing to do with LTS. It is the same with every Ubuntu > version. Some time before the release date there is a decision which > kernel (and other software) version will be supplied with the upcoming > release. For Intrepid there was 2.6.27 available in time and therefore > that version was used and not 2.6.26. For Ubuntu there is a release > schedule of 6 months between releases. For the kernel there is no such > schedule. Okay. Thanks for this clarifications. Are there by any chance other repos, perhaps Ubuntu community repos (non-Canonical repos), which have such packages available for Ubuntu? -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:14:57 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:57 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >>> The difference, or the reason for my OP here, is that even Intrepid >>> doesn't seem to have 2.6.26, only 2.6.27. If it did, it wouldn't have >>> been a problem. >> Usually there is only one kernel version available for individual Ubuntu >> versions. It is the kernel version which was distributed with the >> original release. There will be bug fixes but not a new kernel version. >> The kernel distributed with 8.04 was 2.6.24-15 (IIRC) and now we have >> 2.6.24-23 but don't expect to find 2.6.25 or even higher versions for > > > Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like > Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? Yes, and most people would consider this a good thing. 2.6.27 is supposed to be better than 2.6.26 and 2.6.26 obviously can't be supported indefinitely. As for your webcam, I assume you filed a bug, and it should be fixed in due course in an update to Intrepid's 2.6.27. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:20:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:20:56 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: > Okay. Thanks for this clarifications. > > Are there by any chance other repos, perhaps Ubuntu community repos > (non-Canonical repos), which have such packages available for Ubuntu? Intrepid Alpha 4 (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4) was the last testing release to use an 2.6.26 kernel. But you don't seem to understand the significance of kernel updates. I can almost guarantee reverting to that kernel will break your system, and trying to fix it while retaining 2.6.26 will cause you a lot of pain. Matt Flaschen From cl at isbd.net Mon Mar 2 17:22:22 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:22:22 +0000 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 12:11:13PM -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > >> Yes, I use Thunderbird. This has only occurred a few times over the past > >> few days, and never before, so I wasn't suspecting Thunderbird. > >> > >> What setting in their email client could a person make to cause this to > >> happen when I reply to them? > >> > >> Later, Ray Parrish > >> > >> -- > >> Human reviewed index of links about the computer > >> http://www.rayslinks.com > >> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > >> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > >> > >> > > Perhaps when the OP sets 'Reply to" in his email? > > This problem is because the Reply-To: header is being overridden. > Really, the correct header for mailing lists is List-Post > (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html), which ubuntu-users does send. > Problem is, barely any clients support this yet. > > There is a Thunderbird extension > (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/576) that is meant > to provide Reply to List using List-Post though. > ... or use mutt which provides a L[ist Reply] command, you do have to tell mutt what addresses are lists for this to work of course. It does work on all sorts of lists though and overcomes the problem being discussed here. -- Chris Green From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:25:46 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:25:46 -0500 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to know if there is any specific "fork" of ubuntu for firewalls and > if the server edition has enough capabilities to play as firewall, and/or > which addons you believe are a must for such machine. Certainly, you can use Ubuntu Server as a firewall. iptables is installed in all Ubuntu versions (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), though it will not do anything by default. There are various ways to configure it, some of which require installing software, but you shouldn't need anything outside the repos to setup even a fairly complex firewall. Matt Flaschen From lists at thouret.co.uk Mon Mar 2 17:41:57 2009 From: lists at thouret.co.uk (Guy Thouret) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:41:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <426f4aba14913711c28015d2f6cdca6c.squirrel@www.thouret.co.uk> > Luca Ferrari wrote: >> Hi, >> I'd like to know if there is any specific "fork" of ubuntu for firewalls >> and >> if the server edition has enough capabilities to play as firewall, >> and/or >> which addons you believe are a must for such machine. > > Certainly, you can use Ubuntu Server as a firewall. iptables is > installed in all Ubuntu versions > (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), though it will not do > anything by default. There are various ways to configure it, some of > which require installing software, but you shouldn't need anything > outside the repos to setup even a fairly complex firewall. > > Matt Flaschen Why not take a look at Untangle (http://www.untangle.com). It's a free Ubuntu based firewall/network security distro. The interface mskes it extremely easy to use. Guy From stefan.dengscherz at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:43:42 2009 From: stefan.dengscherz at gmail.com (Stefan Dengscherz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:43:42 +0100 Subject: squidguard substituion In-Reply-To: <200903021802.03962.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903021802.03962.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: Hello Luca, not really a squidguard replacement, as it's not a squid redirector but its own proxy service - dansguardian (http://dansguardian.org/) is a nice content filter with the capability to also embed av scanning. Regards 2009/3/2 Luca Ferrari : > Hi all, > I'm running squid proxy on ubuntu, and I use squidguard for checking and > granting permission to web sites. Even if very good, I'm searching for a > squidguard substitute. Any clue? > > Thanks, > Luca > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- The box said Windows Vista or better. So I bought a Mac. From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Mar 2 17:47:04 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:47:04 +1100 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:25 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > I'd like to know if there is any specific "fork" of ubuntu for firewalls and > Certainly, you can use Ubuntu Server as a firewall. > [...] > you shouldn't need anything > outside the repos to setup even a fairly complex firewall. Very few of the repo solutions know about IPv6 (in fact, I'm not sure any of them do). Which means IPv6 will pass through your interfaces unhindered and unseen :-) Firewall Builder 3 is the only one that I know for a fact fully supports ip6tables, because I use it! It is in the repos, but the version in the repos does not (or does not properly) support IPv6. You need at least nightly build 770. FWBuilder is distributed as a .deb among other things, so it integrates nicely with Ubuntu, or you can build from a tarball, which is also fairly straightforward. http://www.fwbuilder.org/nightly_builds/fwbuilder-3.0/ If you have no interest in IPv6 (which would be extremely shortsighted of you these days), the net abounds with ways to turn it off. Or you can just block it completely with a handwritten three-line script to set the policy to DROP. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:57:44 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <426f4aba14913711c28015d2f6cdca6c.squirrel@www.thouret.co.uk> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <426f4aba14913711c28015d2f6cdca6c.squirrel@www.thouret.co.uk> Message-ID: <49AC1E18.4010800@gatech.edu> Guy Thouret wrote: > Why not take a look at Untangle (http://www.untangle.com). It's a free > Ubuntu based firewall/network security distro. The interface mskes it > extremely easy to use. What makes you say it's based on Ubuntu? According to http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Upstream_Projects it's actually based on Knoppix and thus Debian Sarge. Moreover, it appears to be more of a fork than a "variant" like e.g. Ubuntu JeOS or Ubuntu Studio. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 17:59:55 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:59:55 -0500 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> Message-ID: <49AC1E9B.1030507@gatech.edu> Karl Auer wrote: > Firewall Builder 3 is the only one that I know for a fact fully supports > ip6tables, because I use it! It is in the repos, but the version in the > repos does not (or does not properly) support IPv6. Do you have a bug report for this? Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 18:00:44 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:00:44 -0500 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49AC1ECC.8030701@gatech.edu> Chris G wrote: > ... or use mutt which provides a L[ist Reply] command, you do have to > tell mutt what addresses are lists for this to work of course. Which of course defeats the entire point of List-Post and sister headers. Matt Flaschen From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Mar 2 18:07:40 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:07:40 +1100 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <49AC1E9B.1030507@gatech.edu> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> <49AC1E9B.1030507@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1236017260.12367.387.camel@karl> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:59 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Karl Auer wrote: > > Firewall Builder 3 is the only one that I know for a fact fully supports > > ip6tables, because I use it! It is in the repos, but the version in the > > repos does not (or does not properly) support IPv6. > > Do you have a bug report for this? No - because it's not really a bug. It's just that the repos have older versions. Most stuff in the repos is months if not years behind the current versions; for 99% of stuff, that's no problem. For firewalls, firewall managers and security software in general it's generally best to get the latest stuff, and that probably isn't in the repos... Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 18:47:45 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:47:45 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> >> Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like >> Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? > > Yes, and most people would consider this a good thing. 2.6.27 is > supposed to be better than 2.6.26 and 2.6.26 obviously can't be > supported indefinitely. As for your webcam, I assume you filed a bug, > and it should be fixed in due course in an update to Intrepid's 2.6.27. The bug is already there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/280657 For now, I am having to use 2.6.24 kernel to make the webcam work. 2.6.27 does not detect the webcam properly. So in this case at least, it looks like a regression in kernel version. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 18:53:08 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:53:08 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> Okay. Thanks for this clarifications. >> >> Are there by any chance other repos, perhaps Ubuntu community repos >> (non-Canonical repos), which have such packages available for Ubuntu? > > Intrepid Alpha 4 (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4) was the > last testing release to use an 2.6.26 kernel. > > But you don't seem to understand the significance of kernel updates. I I do (albeit from a kernel user's point of view, not dev's). > can almost guarantee reverting to that kernel will break your system, > and trying to fix it while retaining 2.6.26 will cause you a lot of pain. That is simply over-exaggeration. One can alway install a new kernel, see if the system works as expected, if not then one can always just reboot in the older kernel. This looks like a no brainer ... what am I missing. In other words, it is not uncommon for a kernel upgrade to break a particular hardware in a system. The solution is invariably to revert to an older one. In my case (well, not really mine, but a friend whom I converted to Ubuntu recently), the computer does not have a wireless card. So if the 26 kernel broke something related to some wireless hardware, it will be irrelevant here. But it did have some webcams working which broke in 27. Perfect case to stay with 26 in this case I would suppose. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 2 18:25:15 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:25:15 -0400 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> <49AC1ECC.8030701@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Chris G wrote: >> ... or use mutt which provides a L[ist Reply] command, you do have to >> tell mutt what addresses are lists for this to work of course. > > Which of course defeats the entire point of List-Post and sister headers. > It does. I remember arguing (who? Me?) with KMail developers about this years ago. For some reason they didn't _want_ the default reply function to be to a list when "List-Post" was available - even though KMail had long recognized the List-Post header as special and given you an option to "Reply to list". Which is one of the primary reasons I stopped using mail to receive any lists that were available in gmane news. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 19:10:32 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:10:32 -0800 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 03:38 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > So... I'm not too sure what this is saying, as I do not know what the > memory ranges are specifying for sure. The second memory range matches > the reported 256 MB's reported by most utilities in Ubuntu, and dividing > the last memory range by 1024 only once matches 128 MB's but that > decimal number before division is only 131070.999658496 so if it's in > bytes it doesn't make sense to only divide once. > > Anybody out there write device drivers for video cards? > > I guess I'll just have to continue to be mystified as to how much memory > my card is actually using. > > Later, Ray Parrish > My _guess_ would be that your card is using shared memory and with your 512MB of ram it's 'Total Effective Memory' is 256MB. See: You might find these of interest: http://lwn.net/Articles/257417/ [Memory management for graphics processors] Also, to get an idea of what each of your processes are using in the way of memory you can use pmap. You'll find this interesting: $ pmap `pidof compiz.real` and $ pmap `pidof compiz.real` -d |more See: http://marc.info/?l=xfree-xpert&m=96835767116567&w=2 and 'man pmap' From list4me2 at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 19:27:26 2009 From: list4me2 at googlemail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:27:26 +0000 Subject: Are there drivers for 'Elgato Turbo.264' H264 encoder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/2 NoOp : > On 03/01/2009 10:58 AM, Ben Edwards wrote: >> Done a bit of googeling but cant seem to find and drivers for the >> above.  Are there any? >> >> Regards, >> Ben >> > > > > Doesn't look like it. Or maybe there ARE;) http://tipok.org.ua/node/13 Anyone tried these? > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From daxlinux at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:37:48 2009 From: daxlinux at gmail.com (Lorenzo Taylor) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:37:48 -0500 Subject: enigmail for thunderbird 3.0 Message-ID: <49AC358C.4060105@gmail.com> Is there a build of enigmail for Thunderbird 3.0 on 64-bit Ubuntu? The software I use to be able to read the screen on my computer works better with Thunderbird than with Evolution, but for some reason I can't begin to fathom, Thunderbird doesn't support gpg natively. Not to mention that the only build of Enigmail for 3.0 is built for 32-bit Linux, and the build process is far removed from the straight-forward approach adopted by more popular build systems of today. Is there any help available or is there a way to report a package request to have Enigmail built for Thunderbird 3.0 in the Mozilla PPA repository on Launchpad? Thanks for any help, Lorenzo -- Great Goddess Isis, Thou who art above the stars, Grant us peace and love. --Lorenzo Taylor From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 2 19:38:07 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:38:07 -0400 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4484217.TiGMW7EoaY@cedar.serverforest.com> H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> can almost guarantee reverting to that kernel will break your system, >> and trying to fix it while retaining 2.6.26 will cause you a lot of pain. > > That is simply over-exaggeration. One can alway install a new kernel, > see if the system works as expected, if not then one can always just > reboot in the older kernel. This looks like a no brainer ... what am I > missing. Nothing. I completely agree. As long as you don't prematurely purge your working kernels (which I've done more times than I can count) you just boot into the new kernel until you find a problem that's more serious than the ones that caused you to try it in the first place. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 2 19:41:11 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:41:11 -0400 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> <49AC1E9B.1030507@gatech.edu> <1236017260.12367.387.camel@karl> Message-ID: <1358197.YlzxdQnx75@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl Auer wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:59 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> Karl Auer wrote: >> > Firewall Builder 3 is the only one that I know for a fact fully >> > supports ip6tables, because I use it! It is in the repos, but the >> > version in the repos does not (or does not properly) support IPv6. >> >> Do you have a bug report for this? > > No - because it's not really a bug. It's just that the repos have older > versions. Most stuff in the repos is months if not years behind the > current versions; for 99% of stuff, that's no problem. For firewalls, > firewall managers and security software in general it's generally best > to get the latest stuff, and that probably isn't in the repos... I have to quibble. Yes, Ubuntu (and all Debian-based distros - in fact probably _all_ distros) is a bit behind the leading edge. And yes, you want your security software to have all the latest vulnerabilities fixed. But the two aren't incompatible, and when a security advisory is issued, the necessary patches are generally made to the _old_ software. -- derek From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li Mon Mar 2 20:16:45 2009 From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:16:45 +0100 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49AC3EAD.3010601@kaiser-linux.li> H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >>> Okay. I understand this in Hardy, which is LTS. But it looks like >>> Intrepid had only 2.6.27 kernel. Did Ubuntu skip 2.6.26 altogether? >> Yes, and most people would consider this a good thing. 2.6.27 is >> supposed to be better than 2.6.26 and 2.6.26 obviously can't be >> supported indefinitely. As for your webcam, I assume you filed a bug, >> and it should be fixed in due course in an update to Intrepid's 2.6.27. > > > The bug is already there: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/280657 > > For now, I am having to use 2.6.24 kernel to make the webcam work. > 2.6.27 does not detect the webcam properly. So in this case at least, it > looks like a regression in kernel version. The webcam drivers are not a good point do speak about broken Kernels. "In Kernel" webcam driver were rare in the past. Most webcams worked with the "out of kernel" gspca driver. The gspca driver worked for more than 240 webcams and did all the video processing in kernel space, which is not allowed for a "in Kernel" driver. gspca was shipped with Ubuntu -> most webcams worked out of the box. Gspca got re-written for v4l2, because of this, gspcaV1 is not shipped anymore with Ubuntu and therefore all the fancy video processing was dropped from kernel space. Thus, a lot of webcam stopped working. While moving from gspca "out of kernel" to gspca "in Kernel" a new user space library was introduced to do the "fancy video processing". Not all webcam applications are ready now to use this new library. But they will in the future, we hope ;-) Anyway, you can still compile gspcaV1 ("out of Kernel") driver with your current Kernel and you get all webcams back with the V4l1 interface. Thomas From nytrokiss at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 20:22:11 2009 From: nytrokiss at gmail.com (James Matthews) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:22:11 +0200 Subject: Upgrade In-Reply-To: <6cd3a4f30902221247g426a1b3frf7df60aea2485087@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090222124116.c2e2132a.raquel@thericehouse.net> <6cd3a4f30902221247g426a1b3frf7df60aea2485087@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8a6b8e350903021222h5d5a94e0yd4b3d23ca49e2d22@mail.gmail.com> It's big free for now... but we know how things could change. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Kaixi Luo wrote: > I doubt if it's possible. Why don't you just upgrade to Lenny? It's a super > stable and bug-free distro. :) > > Kaixi > > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Raquel wrote: > >> I'm wondering about being able to upgrade. >> >> I have a laptop being used by my spouse that is running Debian Etch. >> Rather than upgrading to Lenny I'm wondering about "upgrading" to >> Ubuntu Intrepid. She wants to keep the same applications and data >> but I'm not so sure of the ability to just upgrade. Anyone have any >> experience, or words of wisdom? >> >> -- >> Raquel >> http://www.byraquel.com >> ============================================================ >> I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; >> I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express >> sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat. >> >> --Rebecca West >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoot at tic.com Mon Mar 2 20:45:55 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:45:55 -0700 Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236026755.8968.183.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:22 +0000, Thufir wrote: > Originally posted to tomcat: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user/178881 > > > All too often I find myself waiting for this: > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* > LISTEN > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:36471 > TIME_WAIT > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36466 127.0.0.1:8080 > TIME_WAIT > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36467 127.0.0.1:8080 > TIME_WAIT > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36469 127.0.0.1:8080 > TIME_WAIT > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36470 127.0.0.1:8080 > TIME_WAIT > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36468 127.0.0.1:8080 > TIME_WAIT > thufir at arrakis:~$ > > > to change to this: > > thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* > LISTEN TIME_WAIT should not cause a delay in connecting to the listening port. A TCP connection in that state is waiting an engineered time period to release the connection, so the connection address does not get reused and end up receiving packets from the previous connection. There must be something else going on with your Tomcat configuration. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From rbragg at gmnet.net Mon Mar 2 21:01:12 2009 From: rbragg at gmnet.net (Rick Bragg) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:01:12 -0500 Subject: unison problems Message-ID: <1236027672.6744.45.camel@thor> Hi, I have just installed unison on 2 new systems, 1 32bit, and 1 64 bit both on ubuntu 8.10. I also have 2 older systems a 32bit laptop with hardy, and a 64 bit server also with hardy. The older systems (laptop and server) work perfect. However, any connections to/from the new 8.10 machines do not work at all. I get Fatal Error Lost connection with server messages. All 4 machines can communicate perfectly via ssh. All versions of unison on all 4 machines are 2.13.16 These problems are not due to 64 bit vs 32 bit (read above), and they are all running the same version of unison, and all machines can communicate via ssh perfect. The only difference is that the machines that work are hardy, and the machines that do not are intrepid. Any clues? Thanks rick -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Green Mountain Network, and is believed to be clean. From dwain.alford at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 21:05:01 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:05:01 -0600 Subject: radeon 230m video card support? In-Reply-To: <20090302073511.6daa2e13@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <956c96920903012208g1efeffafle92a895480c13a63@mail.gmail.com> <20090302073511.6daa2e13@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <956c96920903021305sf47034ak3bcb1edf7f72cf38@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:08:57 -0600 > dwain wrote: > > > i would like to convert my laptop to 8.10. installation begins ok. > > i've got video, but at some point during the installation process i > > lose video. scrambled, colored screen. any ideas? > > > > cheers, > > dwain > > > > I don't know if it will work, but you could try doing the installation > using "Safe graphics mode" (hit F4 on the installation menu) > > It almost sounds like it is putting the video to sleep and and not > waking it up properly. > thanks for the tip. i'll have to try that. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. 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Any URLs where this explains a bit more about what is going on regarding this video processing in newer kernels and what the advantages of these new approach? > Not all webcam applications are ready now to use this new library. But > they will in the future, we hope ;-) > > Anyway, you can still compile gspcaV1 ("out of Kernel") driver with your > current Kernel and you get all webcams back with the V4l1 interface. How does the system differenctiate between the two modules? Are they named differently? Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li Mon Mar 2 21:56:35 2009 From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:56:35 +0100 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> <49AC3EAD.3010601@kaiser-linux.li> Message-ID: <49AC5613.506@kaiser-linux.li> H.S. wrote: > Very interesting piece of info I wasn't aware of before. Thanks for > mentioning this. Any URLs where this explains a bit more about what is > going on regarding this video processing in newer kernels and what the > advantages of these new approach? Michels page: http://mxhaard.free.fr/ and see: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html Jean-Francois page: http://moinejf.free.fr/ Thomas From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Mar 2 21:59:50 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:59:50 +1100 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <1358197.YlzxdQnx75@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <1236016024.12367.380.camel@karl> <49AC1E9B.1030507@gatech.edu> <1236017260.12367.387.camel@karl> <1358197.YlzxdQnx75@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1236031190.12367.407.camel@karl> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 15:41 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> > Firewall Builder 3 is the only one that I know for a fact fully > >> > supports ip6tables, because I use it! It is in the repos, but the > >> > version in the repos does not (or does not properly) support IPv6. > >> > >> Do you have a bug report for this? > > > > No - because it's not really a bug. It's just that the repos have older > > versions. Most stuff in the repos is months if not years behind the > > current versions; for 99% of stuff, that's no problem. For firewalls, > > firewall managers and security software in general it's generally best > > to get the latest stuff, and that probably isn't in the repos... > > I have to quibble. Yes, Ubuntu (and all Debian-based distros - in fact > probably _all_ distros) is a bit behind the leading edge. And yes, you > want your security software to have all the latest vulnerabilities fixed. > > But the two aren't incompatible, and when a security advisory is issued, the > necessary patches are generally made to the _old_ software. Of course. But not supporting IPv6, while it is a security *issue*, is not really a security *bug*. It's more like lack of a security *feature*, and new versions of things don't get added to Ubuntu release repositories just because they get new features. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 22:35:51 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:35:51 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49AC5F47.1040902@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: >>> Are there by any chance other repos, perhaps Ubuntu community repos >>> (non-Canonical repos), which have such packages available for Ubuntu? >> Intrepid Alpha 4 (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4) was the >> last testing release to use an 2.6.26 kernel. >> >> But you don't seem to understand the significance of kernel updates. I > > I do (albeit from a kernel user's point of view, not dev's). > > >> can almost guarantee reverting to that kernel will break your system, >> and trying to fix it while retaining 2.6.26 will cause you a lot of pain. > > That is simply over-exaggeration. One can alway install a new kernel, > see if the system works as expected, if not then one can always just > reboot in the older kernel. Did you read what I said, /trying to fix it while retaining 2.6.26/. As I said, if you give up on 2.6.26 you will not have such pain. > This looks like a no brainer ... what am I > missing. > > In other words, it is not uncommon for a kernel upgrade to break a > particular hardware in a system. The solution is invariably to revert to > an older one. No, it's not. That's a temporary, often flawed, work-around. The solution is to fix the new kernel. The kernel devs have a policy of never "giving up" on hardware people are still using. > But it did have some webcams working which broke in 27. > Perfect case to stay with 26 in this case I would suppose. The kernel devs did not say, "Well, let's make a single change to the kernel that will break wireless and enable webcams" as you seem to think. There are /many/ differences between the two kernels. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 22:36:30 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:36:30 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49AC5F6E.8030907@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: > The bug is already there: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/280657 > > For now, I am having to use 2.6.24 kernel to make the webcam work. > 2.6.27 does not detect the webcam properly. So in this case at least, it > looks like a regression in kernel version. Yes, it obviously is a temporary regression. I never said otherwise. Matt Flaschen From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 22:37:16 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:37:16 -0800 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> <49AC1ECC.8030701@gatech.edu> <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49AC5F9C.1020507@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > >> Chris G wrote: >> >>> ... or use mutt which provides a L[ist Reply] command, you do have to >>> tell mutt what addresses are lists for this to work of course. >>> >> Which of course defeats the entire point of List-Post and sister headers. >> >> > It does. I remember arguing (who? Me?) with KMail developers about this > years ago. For some reason they didn't _want_ the default reply function > to be to a list when "List-Post" was available - even though KMail had long > recognized the List-Post header as special and given you an option > to "Reply to list". Which is one of the primary reasons I stopped using > mail to receive any lists that were available in gmane news. > Hi! Just wanted to thank Lucio for the url to the add on for Thunderbird. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 22:46:02 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:46:02 -0500 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> <49AC1ECC.8030701@gatech.edu> <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49AC61AA.6090807@gatech.edu> Derek Broughton wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> Chris G wrote: >>> ... or use mutt which provides a L[ist Reply] command, you do have to >>> tell mutt what addresses are lists for this to work of course. >> Which of course defeats the entire point of List-Post and sister headers. >> > It does. I remember arguing (who? Me?) with KMail developers about this > years ago. For some reason they didn't _want_ the default reply function > to be to a list when "List-Post" was available - even though KMail had long > recognized the List-Post header as special and given you an option > to "Reply to list". It should be user-configurable which reply action is the default in such cases. If KDE refused that, it goes against their "If there's any reason for the option, include it" ethos that (used to) differentiate them from GNOME. Of course, I use Thunderbird, which has its own issues. Matt Flaschen From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 2 23:15:27 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:15:27 -0800 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AC688F.10107@cmc.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/02/2009 03:38 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> So... I'm not too sure what this is saying, as I do not know what the >> memory ranges are specifying for sure. The second memory range matches >> the reported 256 MB's reported by most utilities in Ubuntu, and dividing >> the last memory range by 1024 only once matches 128 MB's but that >> decimal number before division is only 131070.999658496 so if it's in >> bytes it doesn't make sense to only divide once. >> >> Anybody out there write device drivers for video cards? >> >> I guess I'll just have to continue to be mystified as to how much memory >> my card is actually using. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > > My _guess_ would be that your card is using shared memory and with your > 512MB of ram it's 'Total Effective Memory' is 256MB. See: > > > > You might find these of interest: > http://lwn.net/Articles/257417/ > [Memory management for graphics processors] > > Also, to get an idea of what each of your processes are using in the way > of memory you can use pmap. You'll find this interesting: > > $ pmap `pidof compiz.real` > and > $ pmap `pidof compiz.real` -d |more > > See: http://marc.info/?l=xfree-xpert&m=96835767116567&w=2 > and 'man pmap' > Yes! I did find that interesting reading. The Nvidia page specified the 6200 series cards where mine is a 6100 series, but I suppose the same could apply to them as well. I tried to use the search on that page to discover any more articles of that nature, and it couldn't even find the article I was reading. How in the world did you find it? I ran the two pmap commands, and the second one returned the highest amount, which when divided by 1024 to get MB's revealed a total of 63.5 MB's in use. The other returned 61 MB's. I was just in Windows, and it's System Information program reported 128 MB's of video RAM. When I rebooted I decided to try an experiment, and went into the BIOS, and changed the video RAM setting to 64 MB's. After logging into Ubuntu, I find it still claims 256 MB's via SysInfo, and the Nvidia X Server Settings GUI application. Likewise the "nvidia-settings --query all" command returns a value of 256 MB's. Having changed the video RAM setting in the BIOS seems to have had no effect on the performance of Ubuntu. I do not that free now reports a total of 438 MB's of system RAM, which differs from it's previous reports of 384 MB's with the previous BIOS setting of 128 MB's for the video RAM. I have yet to read the pmap man page, and ran those commands without looking them up first. I trusted you that time, NoOp, but don't count on it in the future. 8-) I usually look up commands I find here first to make sure they're OK. So... I guess it's possible that Ubuntu is allowing me to access VRAM that exists on the onboard card that Windows apparently doesn't know about. Very odd. Thanks for the help! Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From lists at thouret.co.uk Mon Mar 2 23:09:10 2009 From: lists at thouret.co.uk (Guy Thouret) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:09:10 -0800 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <49AC1E18.4010800@gatech.edu> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49AC169A.4060602@gatech.edu> <426f4aba14913711c28015d2f6cdca6c.squirrel@www.thouret.co.uk> <49AC1E18.4010800@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1236035350.19659.2.camel@guy-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 12:57 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Guy Thouret wrote: > > Why not take a look at Untangle (http://www.untangle.com). It's a free > > Ubuntu based firewall/network security distro. The interface mskes it > > extremely easy to use. > > What makes you say it's based on Ubuntu? According to > http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Upstream_Projects it's actually based > on Knoppix and thus Debian Sarge. Moreover, it appears to be more of a > fork than a "variant" like e.g. Ubuntu JeOS or Ubuntu Studio. > > Matt Flaschen > I went to a presentation on Untangle a few months back and I'm sure I remember the guy from Untangle say it was Ubuntu based. I'm probably wrong, my mistake. Guy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Click on the "Search" button - memory is already in the search bar "Search by Keyword". From moseley at hank.org Tue Mar 3 00:39:51 2009 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:51 -0800 Subject: Troubleshooting USB Message-ID: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> I installed Ubuntu on an old Dell OptiPlex 170L I had around. On this machine I'm having some trouble mounting a USB drive with syslog saying: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning and then nothing after that. Also, a USB HP photosmart 7350 printer was correctly detected but printing doesn't work -- trying to print causes the printer to eject multiple pages and print junk on the page. Of course, on my main machine (a newer Dell) everything works perfectly. The USB drive mounts w/o a problem and the printer prints great. Both have 8.10 and are up-to-date. Same printer driver is selected on both machines. So, I'm now suspecting a hardware USB problem. Is there anything I can do to test the USB sub-system on a machine? Any ideas what else to try? -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org Sent from my iMutt From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 00:41:02 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:41:02 -0800 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 09:14 AM, H.S. wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >>> >>> I was hoping that Intrepid had 2.6.26 in its repos. >> >> That has nothing to do with LTS. It is the same with every Ubuntu >> version. Some time before the release date there is a decision which >> kernel (and other software) version will be supplied with the upcoming >> release. For Intrepid there was 2.6.27 available in time and therefore >> that version was used and not 2.6.26. For Ubuntu there is a release >> schedule of 6 months between releases. For the kernel there is no such >> schedule. > > Okay. Thanks for this clarifications. > > Are there by any chance other repos, perhaps Ubuntu community repos > (non-Canonical repos), which have such packages available for Ubuntu? It was pretty short lived: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/2.6.26-5.17 https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=2.6.26 However if you are really determined: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.26-1.2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.26-5.15 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.26-5.17/ But that seems like a crap shoot to me... From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 3 00:44:16 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:44:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem Message-ID: Is there any way to have cable broadband and a dialup modem operable on the same computer (not operating simultaneously)? The dialup connection would be for a separate ISP than the cable connection. Would there be a conflict created by adding the dialup ISP's DNS addresses at the end of those for the existing cable ISP? What other problems that I'm not foreseeing? I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for browsing and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 00:47:13 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:47:13 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <49AC5F47.1040902@gatech.edu> References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> <49AC5F47.1040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> In other words, it is not uncommon for a kernel upgrade to break a >> particular hardware in a system. The solution is invariably to revert to >> an older one. > > No, it's not. That's a temporary, often flawed, work-around. The It is temporary, but flawed or not, that cannot be said in general terms. Here "flow" can only be defined based on the situation at hand (see below). > solution is to fix the new kernel. The kernel devs have a policy of > never "giving up" on hardware people are still using. I understand that. And those fixes are reflected with the newer minor number kernel versions. But, *till* those fixes are available, and one wants to use the hardware in question, there is no other choice, is there now? In other words, one has to use the latest working kernel version. Again, a no-brainer. >> But it did have some webcams working which broke in 27. >> Perfect case to stay with 26 in this case I would suppose. > > The kernel devs did not say, "Well, let's make a single change to the > kernel that will break wireless and enable webcams" as you seem to > think. There are /many/ differences between the two kernels. Of course there are. And not all of them are stable or bug free! A newer kernel can easily bring new problems (as is the case in point here)! But I did not contest that, of course there are newer features and improvements. My point was that if there is this one little problem and everything works alright, then the choice boils down which kernel version gives the most mileage (see above). The usual advice I have had about kernel upgrades is that they should be done carefully. Keeping all these factors mind, I wish we had older version kernels (for exampe, 2.6.26 here, which was used in alphas) available for Intrepid for those poor souls for whom the newer kernel does not work properly. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 00:48:05 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:48:05 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: <49AC5613.506@kaiser-linux.li> References: <49AB4003.80501@cmc.net> <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1411.4080007@gatech.edu> <49AC3EAD.3010601@kaiser-linux.li> <49AC5613.506@kaiser-linux.li> Message-ID: Thomas Kaiser wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> mentioning this. Any URLs where this explains a bit more about what is >> going on regarding this video processing in newer kernels and what the >> advantages of these new approach? > > Michels page: > http://mxhaard.free.fr/ > and see: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html > > Jean-Francois page: > http://moinejf.free.fr/ > Thanks. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 00:50:06 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:50:06 -0800 Subject: ubuntu on firewalls In-Reply-To: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903021803.04995.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 09:03 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to know if there is any specific "fork" of ubuntu for firewalls and > if the server edition has enough capabilities to play as firewall, and/or > which addons you believe are a must for such machine. > > Thanks, > Luca > In addition to what others have said, you can have a look at all of the firewall related software available here: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 3 00:54:22 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:54:22 -0700 Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090302175422.3fb41f7b@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:44:16 -0700 (MST) Robert Holtzman wrote: > Is there any way to have cable broadband and a dialup modem operable > on the same computer (not operating simultaneously)? The dialup > connection would be for a separate ISP than the cable connection. > Would there be a conflict created by adding the dialup ISP's DNS > addresses at the end of those for the existing cable ISP? What other > problems that I'm not foreseeing? > > I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for > browsing and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail > and news. > I have connected both cable modem through ethernet cable and dial-up using a 56K modem with both active. The dial-up was for fax and fallback when cable-one would go down. You do have to tell the system what to connect through what when doing this. As in, eth0 has priority so it will always be the first connection used exept for fax. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 01:03:05 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:03:05 +1800 Subject: Troubleshooting USB In-Reply-To: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> References: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > > Any ideas what else to try? Maybe DL and boot Knoppix, and see if you can mount the drive. That way, you can tell if it's Ubuntu-specific. Knoppix will probably be using a different kernel - and that's something you could try in Ubuntu as well: I've seen stranger things than kernel bugs ;) Chris From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 01:09:01 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:09:01 +1800 Subject: Troubleshooting USB In-Reply-To: References: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > >> >> Any ideas what else to try? > > Maybe DL and boot Knoppix, and see if you can mount the drive.  That > way, you can tell if it's Ubuntu-specific.  Knoppix will probably be > using a different kernel - and that's something you could try in > Ubuntu as well: I've seen stranger things than kernel bugs ;) And I just realized that a more lightweight distro might be less painful on your older hardware - maybe puppy or DSL? Chris From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 01:16:51 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:16:51 -0800 Subject: Troubleshooting USB In-Reply-To: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> References: <20090303003951.GB12610@hank.org> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 04:39 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > I installed Ubuntu on an old Dell OptiPlex 170L I had around. On this > machine I'm having some trouble mounting a USB drive with syslog > saying: > > usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning > > and then nothing after that. > > Also, a USB HP photosmart 7350 printer was correctly detected but > printing doesn't work -- trying to print causes the printer to eject > multiple pages and print junk on the page. > > Of course, on my main machine (a newer Dell) everything works > perfectly. The USB drive mounts w/o a problem and the printer prints > great. > > Both have 8.10 and are up-to-date. Same printer driver is selected on > both machines. > > So, I'm now suspecting a hardware USB problem. Is there anything I > can do to test the USB sub-system on a machine? > > Any ideas what else to try? > I would first try using only the back USB ports on the machine. Older machines (and some new ones) have noise on the front ports (threads are archived here related) and/or ports that are extended off of the main motherboard. Try that first, & then if not, I'll see if I can dig up the old thread(s) related to this. Another thing to try is to go to bios and turn off/on legacy USB support (if on turn off, if off turn on) & while there, make sure that your bios is updated to the latest release available. Also, check your logs (dmesg, sys etc) to see if you can find any usb related messages, then post those. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 3 01:57:33 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:57:33 -0500 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? In-Reply-To: References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> <49AC5F47.1040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49AC8E8D.7080203@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >>> In other words, it is not uncommon for a kernel upgrade to break a >>> particular hardware in a system. The solution is invariably to revert to >>> an older one. >> No, it's not. That's a temporary, often flawed, work-around. The > > It is temporary, but flawed or not, that cannot be said in general > terms. Here "flow" can only be defined based on the situation at hand > (see below). Why don't you read people's emails before replying. I said "often flawed", not always flowed. >> solution is to fix the new kernel. The kernel devs have a policy of >> never "giving up" on hardware people are still using. > > I understand that. And those fixes are reflected with the newer minor > number kernel versions. But, *till* those fixes are available, and one > wants to use the hardware in question, there is no other choice, is > there now? In other words, one has to use the latest working kernel > version. Again, a no-brainer. The no-brain part is that what you call the latest working kernel (i.e. a kernel that support the feature you want), most likely will not work with Hardy. > Keeping all these factors mind, I wish we had older version kernels (for > exampe, 2.6.26 here, which was used in alphas) available for Intrepid > for those poor souls for whom the newer kernel does not work properly. They are available "for Intrepid", they just most likely won't work. How long do you expect them to forward-port outdated kernels, exactly? Do you not realize this wastes time that could be used to fix the actual bug? Matt Flaschen From crp at cmc.net Tue Mar 3 01:58:49 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:58:49 -0800 Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> Robert Holtzman wrote: > Is there any way to have cable broadband and a dialup modem operable on > the same computer (not operating simultaneously)? The dialup connection > would be for a separate ISP than the cable connection. Would there be a > conflict created by adding the dialup ISP's DNS addresses at the end > of those for the existing cable ISP? What other problems that I'm not > foreseeing? > > I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for browsing > and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. > Just curious here...Why? That will make your mail and news pretty slow. I still have the email address I used when I was on dial-up, as I pay the old isp a small fee for continuing to use it, but I download it through my new DSL connection, which is much faster. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 02:03:38 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:03:38 +1000 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed Message-ID: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> Today I have been experimenting with permissions and groups between two systems to make it easier to share files on a USB drive between the two systems. I defined a new group using the System -> Administration -> Users and Groups facility. I noticed that, unlike my other system, no default group number was suggested. So I defined the new group with group id number 1111, which I reasons is high enough to not run afould of anything. I logged out and back in. When I click on System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, I am not longer allowed to access the tool. The error message says I do nave permission to do so. (I no longer remember the error message, because I have altered the permissions and groups resulting in a different message now being shown: "The configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to access the system configuration." I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, even adding my user name as a member. I altered the sudoers file. The groups in /etc/group do not have any other users assigned to any groups than those I assigned to the new group (1111) I made. Admin is no longer a group! I have attached the new /etc/group file. Thank you for any suggestions. I would also appreciate your ideas of whom to ask, or which group. Alan -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: groupsfile Type: application/octet-stream Size: 538 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 02:10:12 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:10:12 +1000 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bef1f890903021810y128d3b4eq21c3b6b843478cc@mail.gmail.com> I should mention that I did define a couple of groups that are found in the /etc/group file I posted earlier, including admin and sudo. Thank you for any ideas, Alan On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > Today I have been experimenting with permissions and groups between two > systems to make it easier to share files on a USB drive between the two > systems. > > I defined a new group using the System -> Administration -> Users and > Groups facility. I noticed that, unlike my other system, no default group > number was suggested. So I defined the new group with group id number > 1111, which I reasons is high enough to not run afould of anything. > > I logged out and back in. > > When I click on System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, I am not > longer allowed to access the tool. The error message says I do nave > permission to do so. (I no longer remember the error message, because I > have altered the permissions and groups resulting in a different message now > being shown: "The configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to > access the system configuration." > > I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, even adding my user name > as a member. I altered the sudoers file. > > The groups in /etc/group do not have any other users assigned to any groups > than those I assigned to the new group (1111) I made. Admin is no longer a > group! > I have attached the new /etc/group file. > > Thank you for any suggestions. I would also appreciate your ideas of whom > to ask, or which group. > > Alan > > > > -- > Alan Davis > > "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one > non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or > else his son, who was also a scientist. > > It is undesirable to believe a proposition when > there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. > ---- Bertrand Russell > > > -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 3 02:21:13 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:21:13 -0500 Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Robert Holtzman wrote: >> Is there any way to have cable broadband and a dialup modem operable on >> the same computer (not operating simultaneously)? The dialup connection >> would be for a separate ISP than the cable connection. Would there be a >> conflict created by adding the dialup ISP's DNS addresses at the end >> of those for the existing cable ISP? What other problems that I'm not >> foreseeing? >> >> I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for browsing >> and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. >> > Just curious here...Why? That will make your mail and news pretty slow. > I still have the email address I used when I was on dial-up, as I pay > the old isp a small fee for continuing to use it, but I download it > through my new DSL connection, which is much faster. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Yeah, curious here as well, why. The only reason I can think of is you have a cap on broadband and no cap on dial up? I use gnome ppp for my gprs card (technically dial up as far the os is concerned), and wireless or ethernet at home. have no problem switching between the two. -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 02:29:42 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:29:42 -0300 Subject: Is something wrong with the group's mail software? In-Reply-To: <49AC5F9C.1020507@cmc.net> References: <49AB49D3.8010709@cmc.net> <49AB4C56.5040106@roadrunner.com> <49AB4FC2.5010702@cmc.net> <49AC1331.1020602@gatech.edu> <20090302172222.GB13502@v-shell-1> <49AC1ECC.8030701@gatech.edu> <14212979.lNxaOOCsP8@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AC5F9C.1020507@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49AC9616.7060802@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >> > Hi! > > Just wanted to thank Lucio for the url to the add on for Thunderbird. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Your very welcome, but it wasn't me, it was Matt Flaschen. :-[ L. -- Lucio M. Nicolosi, Eng. - São Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 03:12:39 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:12:39 -0500 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903021810y128d3b4eq21c3b6b843478cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890903021810y128d3b4eq21c3b6b843478cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Alan E. Davis wrote: > I should mention that I did define a couple of groups that are found in the > /etc/group file I posted earlier, including admin and sudo. > > Alan > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > >> Today I have been experimenting with permissions and groups between two >> systems to make it easier to share files on a USB drive between the two >> systems. >> >> I defined a new group using the System -> Administration -> Users and >> Groups facility. I noticed that, unlike my other system, no default group >> number was suggested. So I defined the new group with group id number >> 1111, which I reasons is high enough to not run afould of anything. >> >> I logged out and back in. >> >> When I click on System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, I am not >> longer allowed to access the tool. The error message says I do nave >> permission to do so. (I no longer remember the error message, because I >> have altered the permissions and groups resulting in a different message now >> being shown: "The configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to >> access the system configuration." >> >> I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, even adding my user name >> as a member. I altered the sudoers file. In what exact way? >> >> The groups in /etc/group do not have any other users assigned to any groups >> than those I assigned to the new group (1111) I made. Admin is no longer a >> group! This cannot be good! I am not sure what you really mean by "defining a group". 'admin' already exists. Did you redefine it to something else? I am not sure how this is possible though .... but, again, I am not sure what you really mean here. In any case, what one does is create new groups if needed. These are created by giving the new groups unique names and not usually by numbers as you attempted to do. The group numbers (goupr IDs) are given by the system automatically. First, what is the output of the following command (while you are logged in): $> groups Next, list the contents of /etc/groups file here (you have attached some bin file in your previous email, I was expecting a text file). And somebody can compare that listing with his own groups file and see what is the problem with admin and adm groups (I think admin is the main administration group, not sure about adm but the administrator is usually a member of that group). Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 03:19:45 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:19:45 -0800 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 06:03 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > Today I have been experimenting with permissions and groups between two > systems to make it easier to share files on a USB drive between the two > systems. > > I defined a new group using the System -> Administration -> Users and Groups > facility. I noticed that, unlike my other system, no default group number > was suggested. So I defined the new group with group id number 1111, which > I reasons is high enough to not run afould of anything. > > I logged out and back in. > > When I click on System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, I am not > longer allowed to access the tool. The error message says I do nave > permission to do so. (I no longer remember the error message, because I > have altered the permissions and groups resulting in a different message now > being shown: "The configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to > access the system configuration." Do you have a backup /etc/groups file? Check your /etc: $ cd /etc $ ls gr* > > I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, even adding my user name > as a member. I altered the sudoers file. How did you alter it? # /etc/sudoers # # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers > > The groups in /etc/group do not have any other users assigned to any groups > than those I assigned to the new group (1111) I made. Admin is no longer a > group! > I have attached the new /etc/group file. > > Thank you for any suggestions. I would also appreciate your ideas of whom > to ask, or which group. Try the same method as with a lost password: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword and then modify as root https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/user-management.html From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 03:21:47 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:21:47 -0800 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: References: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890903021810y128d3b4eq21c3b6b843478cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 07:12 PM, H.S. wrote: > > Next, list the contents of /etc/groups file here (you have attached some > bin file in your previous email, I was expecting a text file). It's a text file - I just downloaded and opened with gedit. From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 3 03:26:32 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:26:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Ray Parrish wrote: > Robert Holtzman wrote: ............snip............ >> I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for browsing >> and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. >> > Just curious here...Why? That will make your mail and news pretty slow. > I still have the email address I used when I was on dial-up, as I pay > the old isp a small fee for continuing to use it, but I download it > through my new DSL connection, which is much faster. I can connect to my dialup ISP's news server with my cable but haven't had much luck with there mail servers. Think I'll work on that some more. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 3 03:39:16 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:39:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, steve wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: >> Robert Holtzman wrote: >>> I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for browsing >>> and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. >>> >> Just curious here...Why? That will make your mail and news pretty slow. >> I still have the email address I used when I was on dial-up, as I pay >> the old isp a small fee for continuing to use it, but I download it >> through my new DSL connection, which is much faster. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> > > Yeah, curious here as well, why. The only reason I can think of is you > have a cap on broadband and no cap on dial up? > > I use gnome ppp for my gprs card (technically dial up as far the os is > concerned), and wireless or ethernet at home. have no problem switching > between the two. No caps that I'm aware of. It's just that Cox has given me nothing but aggrevation and my old ISP (sonic.net in California) was always on the ball with tech support that listened to the diagnostics you've run and proceeded from there. No "lets check your settings" after being informed that I haven't changed them. I've been having trouble posting to moderated news groups thru Cox. Their tier 1 guy's response was "what's a news group?" The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 03:55:23 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:55:23 -0300 Subject: Video Memory In-Reply-To: <49AC688F.10107@cmc.net> References: <49A8020B.9040903@cmc.net> <49A88471.5080208@gmail.com> <49A936A8.5070205@cmc.net> <49A957C1.4020204@gmail.com> <49A9BD9F.5010103@cmc.net> <49A9CFAF.1080908@cmc.net> <2144924.0y6O2IUA4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AB8AEA.5090405@cmc.net> <49ABADF5.6040807@neuroweave.nl> <49ABC538.8090805@cmc.net> <49AC688F.10107@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49ACAA2B.4000209@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > > Yes! I did find that interesting reading. The Nvidia page specified the > 6200 series cards where mine is a 6100 series, but I suppose the same > could apply to them as well. I tried to use the search on that page to > discover any more articles of that nature, and it couldn't even find the > article I was reading. How in the world did you find it? > > I ran the two pmap commands, and the second one returned the highest > amount, which when divided by 1024 to get MB's revealed a total of 63.5 > MB's in use. The other returned 61 MB's. > > I was just in Windows, and it's System Information program reported 128 > MB's of video RAM. When I rebooted I decided to try an experiment, and > went into the BIOS, and changed the video RAM setting to 64 MB's. After > logging into Ubuntu, I find it still claims 256 MB's via SysInfo, and > the Nvidia X Server Settings GUI application. > > Likewise the "nvidia-settings --query all" command returns a value of > 256 MB's. > > Having changed the video RAM setting in the BIOS seems to have had no > effect on the performance of Ubuntu. I do not that free now reports a > total of 438 MB's of system RAM, which differs from it's previous > reports of 384 MB's with the previous BIOS setting of 128 MB's for the > video RAM. > > I have yet to read the pmap man page, and ran those commands without > looking them up first. I trusted you that time, NoOp, but don't count on > it in the future. 8-) I usually look up commands I find here first to > make sure they're OK. > > So... I guess it's possible that Ubuntu is allowing me to access VRAM > that exists on the onboard card that Windows apparently doesn't know > about. Very odd. > > Thanks for the help! > > Later, Ray Parrish > Ray, Providing your board is a FIC K8MC51G http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/motherboards_d/FIC/K8MC51G/ it has an onboard video based on the Chipset Nvidia Geforce 6100 nForce 410 (and not any video board Nv 6100) http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/chipsets_d/Nvidia/Geforce+6100+nForce+410/ and no resident memory at all, depending on RAM for every bit of dynamic memory needed. It was your first impression and I now also believe the video chipset is using only the BIOS allocated frame buffer, any other conflicting information being misunderstood or incorrect. At least it is what I see in my own onboard NVidia 8200 (up to 256 Mb). As to why all these different numbers, I remain clueless. -- Lucio M. Nicolosi, Eng. - São Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From crp at cmc.net Tue Mar 3 04:11:26 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:11:26 -0800 Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49ACADEE.1000702@cmc.net> Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, steve wrote: > > >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> Robert Holtzman wrote: >>> >>>> I'm trying to figure out a way to use *spit* Cox broadband for >>>> > browsing > >>>> and downloading linux distros and the dialup ISP for mail and news. >>>> >>>> >>> Just curious here...Why? That will make your mail and news pretty slow. >>> I still have the email address I used when I was on dial-up, as I pay >>> the old isp a small fee for continuing to use it, but I download it >>> through my new DSL connection, which is much faster. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >>> >>> >> Yeah, curious here as well, why. The only reason I can think of is you >> have a cap on broadband and no cap on dial up? >> >> I use gnome ppp for my gprs card (technically dial up as far the os is >> concerned), and wireless or ethernet at home. have no problem switching >> between the two. >> > > No caps that I'm aware of. It's just that Cox has given me nothing but > aggrevation and my old ISP (sonic.net in California) was always on the > ball with tech support that listened to the diagnostics you've run and > proceeded from there. No "lets check your settings" after being > informed that I haven't changed them. I've been having trouble posting > to moderated news groups thru Cox. Their tier 1 guy's response was "what's > a news group?" > > The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. > Ahhh, yes, newsgroups... Regrettably since I've switched over from dial up, I no longer have a news server included with my new DSL account, and when I inquired about them, I got the same response of "What's that?" Pretty sad answer for an isp. My old dial up account's ownership has changed to the local power company, and they too seem to be ignorant of what a news server is, as I have emailed them several times to see if they would provide me with access for an additional fee, and they never answer. So, I'm stuck with the Microsoft news server, and other public servers like the Mozilla server, but none with access to the main newsgroups. What a drag! Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 04:14:50 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:14:50 -0800 Subject: [OT - Cox.net] Re: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On 03/02/2009 07:39 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > No caps that I'm aware of. It's just that Cox has given me nothing but > aggrevation and my old ISP (sonic.net in California) was always on the > ball with tech support that listened to the diagnostics you've run and > proceeded from there. No "lets check your settings" after being > informed that I haven't changed them. I've been having trouble posting > to moderated news groups thru Cox. Their tier 1 guy's response was "what's > a news group?" > > The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. > Email Server News Server POP Server: pop.west.cox.net SMTP Server: smtp.west.cox.net news.west.cox.net But if you are having problems with their news/mail, why not just use them as a transport and set up news/mail with a 3rd party? For instance, you can still get e-mail accounts via Sonic if you wish: http://www.sonic.net/sales/hosting/ and there are many others (less expensive). I'm sure that as a previous customer of Sonic that Dane Jasper & crew would be happy to work with you. From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 3 04:15:49 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:15:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: <20090302175422.3fb41f7b@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090302175422.3fb41f7b@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Charlie Kravetz wrote: .............snip............ > I have connected both cable modem through ethernet cable and dial-up > using a 56K modem with both active. The dial-up was for fax and > fallback when cable-one would go down. > > You do have to tell the system what to connect through what when doing > this. As in, eth0 has priority so it will always be the first > connection used exept for fax. If I knew how to do that, short of pulling the cable out of the modem, I would be ahead of the game. Care to do some (figurative) hand holding? -- Bob Holtzman "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 04:17:14 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:17:14 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu desktop & LVM2 Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022017x41fccce0od2d66a68807fc6c2@mail.gmail.com> why do i always have to geek and dork around in order to install ubuntu desktop on lvm2 volumes? the feature was blatently taken from the installer and look at how much i care i still go way out of my way to have it. Seriously, why! -Adele (sent from my gphone!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 04:23:34 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:23:34 -0800 Subject: PC-name in the network In-Reply-To: <20090228181531.239590@gmx.net> References: <20090228181531.239590@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022023g7860b652gde06f41c927214c3@mail.gmail.com> i think what you want to do is have the dhcp client specify a hostname when attempting to get a lease. of course this would imply that you want to use dhcp which if thats not the case then also specify a static dhcp lease given the machines mac address in which case-- you can rest assured that your router knows its you unless someone is spoofing your client's hardware mac address on your private network and steals your IP though of course your router would know you by a somewhat non-human readable name unless of course specifying a hostname in your dhcp client is also accounted for, too. I believe specifying a hostname in the dhcp client configuration can be accomplished in ubuntu/gnome's network configuration manager. -Adele (sent from my gphone!) On Feb 28, 2009 10:16 AM, "Dirk Tamme" wrote: Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 with GNOME. The PC connects via a Netgear DSL router to the internet. When I logon to the configurational site of my router, there is a list of all devices with IP-address, name and MAC. For example, my printer in the network is shown with name HP... But, for my PC only IP-address and MAC are given, the name is shown as "unknown". During the installation of Ubuntu, the PC gets a name. What should I do so that my PC communicates its name to the router? Thanks for any help, Dirk T. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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System|Administration|Network|General|Host name: The same will be in the following /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 04:27:16 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:27:16 -0800 Subject: Iphhone In-Reply-To: References: <20090228002453.GC21897@teddy.fas.com> <1235804120.3650.43.camel@rei.wangfu.org> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022027w73bb8f1dp184f89258113282@mail.gmail.com> I depend on nothing ^________^ -Adele (sent from my gphone!) On Feb 28, 2009 8:18 AM, "Craig Huffstetler" wrote: I agree with Scott being an iPhone user myself. I depend on using VirtualBox for my iPhone needs. It works great. If you can stick with Scott's option #1 you will be happy. If not, the other options will work (I have tried them all), but their difficulty levels are exactly as stated. Plus, sometimes #3 will get you into more trouble than it's worth. Scott wrote: > ... > > > 1. Install Windows in a virtual machine using VirtualBox [1]. This > > is probably the best, mo... > > > be my minimal suggestion; more is always better) > .... For the more advanced options (2/3), please view the following link for detailed instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone Good luck! - Craig -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Tue Mar 3 04:41:19 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:41:19 -0800 Subject: squidguard substituion In-Reply-To: <200903021802.03962.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903021802.03962.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <49ACB4EF.5000602@cmc.net> Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I'm running squid proxy on ubuntu, and I use squidguard for checking and > granting permission to web sites. Even if very good, I'm searching for a > squidguard substitute. Any clue? > > Thanks, > Luca > Funny you should mention squid. I was just reading about it today on a site I found through a Tech Republic article. You should have a look at it to evaluate your risk level in reference to attacks by hackers. It's called the Google Hacking Database, and squid is referenced several times on the pages here. - Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 04:45:11 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:45:11 -0800 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211632.01571.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022045r2883fe5cpc976cb38231b478a@mail.gmail.com> you know this could probably be fixed if you guys had SPF checking or something I have an SPF record for my domain. -Adele (sent from my gphone!) On Feb 21, 2009 9:36 AM, "Patton Echols" wrote: On 02/21/2009 07:32 AM, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Saturday 21 February 2009 15:28, Brian McKee wrote: ... Nah, Linkedin is trying to be the facebook of business professionals. It offers new users to reveal their addressbooks to that their computers can look for "friends" or whatever they call them. Unlikely that Paige/Trevor would do it again. > if > either are reading the list. > > Nigel. > > > -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 04:40:41 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:40:41 -0800 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211632.01571.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. Basically I imported my address book to linked in and facebook, and then sent add requests and invites for all from there because I have way too many to manage and not enough time or patience to do otherwise. As I was saying, linkedin sent mail on my behalf and because of that mail was able to make it to this list. Im 99% positive it didnt use my gmail account to send mail. -Adele (sent from my gphone!) On Feb 21, 2009 9:36 AM, "Patton Echols" wrote: On 02/21/2009 07:32 AM, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Saturday 21 February 2009 15:28, Brian McKee wrote: ... Nah, Linkedin is trying to be the facebook of business professionals. It offers new users to reveal their addressbooks to that their computers can look for "friends" or whatever they call them. Unlikely that Paige/Trevor would do it again. > if > either are reading the list. > > Nigel. > > > -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 05:03:23 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:03:23 -0800 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: References: <49AA127B.3040702@philippe.com.br> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022103u7e269f94yb8f1250ddd496c6d@mail.gmail.com> that is incorrect, mail can be sent on your behalf to this list. Happened to me, isnt this what that sender policy framework TXT record I have in my domain is supposed to be used by your mail severs to prevent from happening? -Adele (sent from my gphone!) On Feb 28, 2009 9:01 PM, "Lucio M Nicolosi" wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> ... But of course, if you do not post "from" your registered address (hawat.thufir at gmail.com) your message will be rejected. L. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: http... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erratic at devel.ws Tue Mar 3 06:13:02 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:13:02 -0800 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <499FF68F.8050608@gmail.com> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> @localhost devel.ws TXT ; (2 servers found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62695 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;devel.ws. IN TXT ;; ANSWER SECTION: devel.ws. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" ;; Query time: 277 msec ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 3 07:10:07 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 See that? That says mail from *@devel.ws can only be mailed by aspmx.googlemail.com IE: not aspmx.facebook.com Not my fault or problem :/ http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>     This is Spam! > > Yes, absolutely. > >>     Someone needs to remove the name from the list of >> users. > > Yes. But unfortunately that doesn't help. We will receive more of that > junk from linkedin when the next clueless user authorizes them to send > spam to everybody in their address book. It would only work if the list > doesn't accept mails from linkedin servers. > > > Nils > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 06:20:39 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:20:39 +0100 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Paige Thompson wrote: > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for receiving your junk? Nils From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 06:30:18 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:30:18 -0600 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090303003018.4a377949@chris.makeworld.com> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:20:39 +0100 Nils Kassube wrote: > Paige Thompson wrote: > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > > What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on > your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for > receiving your junk? > > > Nils > Typical. Blame someone/thing else and refuse to except any if not all the responsibility. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From bhavi at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 3 06:34:17 2009 From: bhavi at ubuntu.com (Bhavani Shankar R) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:04:17 +0530 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Paige Thompson wrote: > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > > What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on > your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for > receiving your junk? > +1 piage.. If the list is moderated well it wouldnt have got in...... -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. What matters in life is application of mind!, It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p.echols at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 06:34:45 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:34:45 -0800 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211632.01571.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ACCF85.7070404@comcast.net> On 03/02/2009 08:40 PM, Paige Thompson wrote: > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > Basically I imported my address book to linked in and facebook, and > then sent add requests and invites for all from there because I have > way too many to manage and not enough time or patience to do > otherwise. As I was saying, linkedin sent mail on my behalf and > because of that mail was able to make it to this list. Im 99% > positive it didnt use my gmail account to send mail. > > -Adele (sent from my gphone!) > It does not look like they used your gmail account. The headers says: " Received: from mail15-a-ab.linkedin.com ([64.74.98.138]) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LahV8-0000Lf-3V for ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:21:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:21:57 -0800 (PST) " But it also says it was from you, I'm sure that Linkedin has figured out that's to make sure that spam trappers think it is from a legitimate person. And, in fact it did exactly what you asked it to do, contacted everyone on your list. I'm not sure you should be so hard on the listserv. " From: Paige Thompson To: Patrick Ancillotti Message-ID: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app at ech3-cdn10.prod> Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn " By the way, it appears that there is a person associated with the list email address. That's no doubt part of the problem. From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 06:35:51 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:35:51 -0600 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090303003551.101699be@chris.makeworld.com> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:20:39 +0100 Nils Kassube wrote: > Paige Thompson wrote: > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > > What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on > your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for > receiving your junk? > > > Nils > come to think of it. This is the same sort of mentality that would state something like: Hey, I know my PC is infected and I sent emails with it. So, if you got infected by my email, I blame you for not have an anti virus on your PC. Idiocy breeds idiocy. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From p.echols at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 06:52:50 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:52:50 -0800 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <499FF68F.8050608@gmail.com> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ACD3C2.1030600@comcast.net> On 03/02/2009 10:13 PM, Paige Thompson wrote: > read this. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> @localhost devel.ws TXT > ; (2 servers found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62695 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;devel.ws. IN TXT > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > devel.ws. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" > > ;; Query time: 277 msec > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) > ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 3 07:10:07 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 > > See that? That says mail from *@devel.ws can only be mailed by > aspmx.googlemail.com IE: not aspmx.facebook.com > > Not my fault or problem :/ > > I'll repeat what I said before, Linkedin did exactly what you asked it to. So I don't know how you can go and say "not my fault or problem" is more than just a little ingenuous. Look at my prior message, Linkedin's mail server is configured to look like one in the midst of a chain that came from you. Fyi, the entire source of your original spam is below. =============== >From - Fri Feb 20 21:02:33 2009 X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: 16504.ShFnXia,Bcd725+liR7+W4d1IRQ= X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Received: from imta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (LHLO IMTA21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.31) by sz0049.ev.mail.comcast.net with LMTP; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chlorine.canonical.com ([91.189.94.204]) by IMTA21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JSR61b00j4QZtbP0MSR6gB; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:25:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EUQ/x2GxUMLkBTlsn2s9/w==:17 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=7hAPdrHXFZOGmQeX7-kA:9 a=cU2VJVyoZvwV4xAP45vWdhdIW8EA:4 a=DLWQtoLnVnAA:10 a=yJ5jKpQA9j7IxwRW:21 a=eqBF074LSBqs6E99:21 a=lCZJo3BNIDTz8uDq87kA:9 a=MMir6kZOLTkCD8jdKhYA:7 a=oR7B_H3ASxj23XxfeznO4J63e8oA:4 a=BMUHMS3u0ToA:10 a=CkdPcB5_Cy9NjOI_:21 a=lk3UofgL48MPSOCC:21 a=fxJcL_dCAAAA:8 a=rtTQXnqWFP_xIA3BAu0A:9 a=k5Y7EBnc9jxqYCPMpR8A:7 a=bR7deAgJf9t4q-Nrb-opTQeyfGwA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LahVA-0000Lk-66; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:22:00 +0000 Received: from mail15-a-ab.linkedin.com ([64.74.98.138]) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LahV8-0000Lf-3V for ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:21:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: Paige Thompson To: Patrick Ancillotti Message-ID: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app at ech3-cdn10.prod> Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" List-Id: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4417953225022701047==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Errors-To: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com --===============4417953225022701047== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_816114_1202257597.1235182917555" ------=_Part_816114_1202257597.1235182917555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LinkedIn ------------ Paige Thompson requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Patrick, Hello all, and to those who know me as Trevor :) I Just imported my address book that has accumulated over a couple of years now. Pretty nifty! - Paige Adele Thompson View invitation from Paige Thompson http://www.linkedin.com/e/NE2bzGJS1lCAMLWXQjiSHiiEWcCZMLczQiCNOGKytORD/blk/1017775001_2/0OnP4Mc3kTdPsNc34LqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW you can use your LinkedIn profile as your website? Select a vanity URL and then promote this address on your business cards, email signatures, website, etc http://www.linkedin.com/e/ewp/inv-21/ ------ (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation ------=_Part_816114_1202257597.1235182917555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Patrick,

Hello all, and to those who know me as Trevor :) I Just imported my address book that has accumulated over a couple of years now. Pretty nifty!

- Paige Adele Thompson

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I noticed that, unlike my other system, no default > group number was suggested. So I defined the new group with group > id number 1111, which I reasons is high enough to not run afould of > anything. > I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, even adding my > user name as a member. I altered the sudoers file. In your file there is an admin group but the GID is 1004 while it should be 111. I suppose it will only work as the real admin group if you assign it the correct GID because some/most/all (?) programs use the GID instead of the group name. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 06:55:29 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:55:29 +0100 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903030755.29704.kassube@gmx.net> Paige Thompson wrote: > Not my fault or problem :/ Yeah - that's what all spammers say. Nils From gilles at gravier.org Tue Mar 3 07:00:31 2009 From: gilles at gravier.org (Gilles Gravier) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:00:31 +0100 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49ACD58F.70808@Gravier.org> Hi! Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nils Kassube > wrote: > > Paige Thompson wrote: > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > > What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on > your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for > receiving your junk? > > > +1 piage.. If the list is moderated well it wouldnt have got in...... Just a bit of administration detail here... Most well administered lists are configured to not receive mail if it doesn't come from a registered member. Thing is... when you send a LinkedIn invite, it comes from your e-mail address. So list filters let it go in. You don't start configuring your mailing list for blacklists of words in subject lines or bodies of messages or else you might end up blocking somebody's legitimate mail discussing, say, access to LinkedIn web-site's Javascript features from Firefox on Ibex... So the list COULDN'T block a LinkedIn invitation even if it was (it is) configured to not let non members send. Gilles. From bhavi at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 3 07:05:56 2009 From: bhavi at ubuntu.com (Bhavani Shankar R) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:35:56 +0530 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ACD58F.70808@Gravier.org> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> <49ACD58F.70808@Gravier.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gilles Gravier wrote: > Hi! > > Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nils Kassube > > wrote: > > > > Paige Thompson wrote: > > > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. > > > > What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on > > your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for > > receiving your junk? > > > > > > +1 piage.. If the list is moderated well it wouldnt have got in...... > > Just a bit of administration detail here... Most well administered lists > are configured to not receive mail if it doesn't come from a registered > member. > > Thing is... when you send a LinkedIn invite, it comes from your e-mail > address. So list filters let it go in. > > You don't start configuring your mailing list for blacklists of words in > subject lines or bodies of messages or else you might end up blocking > somebody's legitimate mail discussing, say, access to LinkedIn > web-site's Javascript features from Firefox on Ibex... > > So the list COULDN'T block a LinkedIn invitation even if it was (it is) > configured to not let non members send. > > Okay thanks... Its more of a practical problem... Understood..... -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. 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She admits that she authorized LinkedIn to contact people in her address book to invite them join her network. There is nothing wrong with that. She didn't realize that LinkedIn would send a message with her email address in the "From" field to the list. I certainly wouldn't have expected that either. How could she have known, and that's assuming she even remembered that this list's address was in her address book? I would have thought LinkedIn would have sent a message from something like noreply at linkedin.com rather than put my email address in the "From" field, had I asked LinkedIn to send invitations on my behalf. Had LinkedIn done that, unless noreply at linkedin.com was a subscriber to this list, there was no way the message from LinkedIn would have made it through to the list and one errant message to the list wouldn't have caused 20 messages whining about "spam". Please note that I haven't used this feature of LinkedIn so I don't know if LinkedIn notifies the sender of the details of which address it will use in the "From" address. Adele also points out that if Canonical used SPF, even with what LinkedIn did, her mail would not have made it through anyway because it would have been rejected by Canonical's mail server as having a forged "From" address. Given that SPF isn't universally-used, it's probably not very practical for Canonical to reject mail from domains that don't publish an SPF record so I find this argument wanting. Other social networking sites, such as Facebook, don't behave the same way as LinkedIn. When I authorize Facebook to invite people in my address book, the "From" address is a facebook.com address, not my address. This illustrates how easy it would be for spammers to pretend to be anyone on this or any other mailing list and send spam to the list. They could send 100 messages purporting to be from me until the list admins blocked my address. Most people wouldn't understand that it wasn't me who sent the messages because they don't have a grasp of how email or listservs work and there would be calls for my head. The list admins, even if they understood what was going on, would have no choice but to block my email address from posting to the list just to stop the torrent of forged mail (spam). All the spammer would have to do then is forge messages using the address of another subscriber to the list. There is no easy fix to this problem. If posts from forged "From" addresses became a problem, one of the best ways of dealing with that situation would be to use certificate-based authentication, like the Sympa listserv offers , rather than relying on the very weak "From" address authentication scheme that Mailman uses. I don't blame Adele, the listserv, or Canonical. I blame LinkedIn for forging "From" addresses. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 3 07:51:59 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:51:59 +0300 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ACDDDA.3010709@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> <49ACDDDA.3010709@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49ACE19F.1000007@lab.vectoris.fr> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I don't blame Adele, the listserv, or Canonical. I blame LinkedIn for > forging "From" addresses. Now, just point the archives of this thread to the LinkedIn webmaster and let's see how it goes... -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From sundar.personal at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 07:59:28 2009 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:59:28 -0800 Subject: installed software list (to be clear) In-Reply-To: <537564.67397.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <537564.67397.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > I mean, after just the software i've installed after the original > installation Cesar, try the following commands in a terminal (you can do this as a regular user, no need for sudo): gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | perl -00 -n -e '/^Package: (\S+)\s.*?Status: install ok installed\s/s and print "$1\n"' > initial-packages dpkg --get-selections | perl -n -e '/(\S+)\s+install$/ and print "$1\n"' | fgrep -xv -f initial-packages > new-packages Explanation: /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz contains (unless you have deleted this file since installation), the list of packages installed. There is a little more detail in this file which is pared out by the perl command The second command takes the output of dpkg --get-selections and removes those in the initial list. With the above commands, 'new-packages' should contain the list of packages installed AFTER the initial installation. From overflow_ at libero.it Sun Mar 1 16:55:04 2009 From: overflow_ at libero.it (overflow_) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:55:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() Message-ID: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Hello to everybody. I would like to know 1) How is implemented the method pthread_create() in Linux? I mean, does it use a call to the clone() function or to fork()? 2) where is the implementation of pthread_create()? I know it's declared in thread.h, but where its implementation is located? Thank you very much -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-POSIX--implementation-of-pthread_create%28%29-tp22275000p22275000.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From knightlust at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 3 10:02:24 2009 From: knightlust at ubuntu.com (Dax Solomon Umaming) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:02:24 +0800 Subject: is this group moderated? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thufir wrote: > I was just wondering if this group was moderated because my posts never seem to > make it through, but do for other groups. Posts that get moderated are (1) from non-members (2) posts Spamassassin flags as spam (3) and posts that exceeded the 40KB limit e.g. with attached screenshots or logs (use pastebin) e.g. replies to an untrimmed Digest(ed) posts (it gets discarded right away - basic mailing list etiquette) - -- Dax Solomon Umaming http://blog.knightlust.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmtACgACgkQ6Hw0ZHFcNUfe2wCgia7OR/SlLIx186KV+AbNKQyn cxUAoKMpf6GPiDFZanddXyeHgEXqdy5J =N1S5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 11:23:25 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:23:25 +1000 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <200903030752.00678.kassube@gmx.net> References: <7bef1f890903021803s50af9de3sdae3d3e755a04942@mail.gmail.com> <200903030752.00678.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <7bef1f890903030323q129f90e7h477100daebb7fdc7@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for the responses. In order, pretty much: (I am not now at the machine where this disaster happened. I am installing intrepid on another partition, so maybe tomorrow it will be updated. Maybe that's my main option now? I am hoping somehow there is a way to reconsistitued /etc/group) - I cannot list the group file as I am not there now. - The closest thing to a backup is /etc/group-. I don't know what that is about. It's not any better than /etc/group. - Admin was blown away from /etc/group. Most of the plethora of groups I see on my home ubuntu box, also Intrepid, are not on the group file on the system at work. Yes, I assigned the wrong group number, as I didn't know it was supposed to be 111, for admin: I had hoped to recover the administration permissions. Will try that tomorrow. - I added myself to the sudoers file, with permissions for everything. That didn't make much difference. I used visudo to do this. I still couldn't define groups. (Later, I reinstalled dbus and dbus-x11, and was able to do so. I will restore the file to the original configuration. - I really don't know how /etc/group got altered. I suppose I may have edited it. However, I do know about System -> Admin -> users and groups, and probably did use that. Somehow, /etc/group was a mere suggestion of itself, even worse than the file I sent, with no users assigned to ANY group, except the one I had defined, "git". I assigned group number 1111. I was trying to have two machines with the same group ID for git, so I could add users on both machines to the git group, and then they would both have write permissions on the flash drive with a git repo. Perhaps I edited it. I was panicking, as I was unable to push my work to the USB key due to what appeared to be permissions issues, and I was pulling rabbits out of hats (guess I pulled a rat out, instead). Thank you for the suggestions. Alan -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 11:30:35 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:30:35 +1000 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? Message-ID: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> I have a git repository on a USB flash drive. Two or more users (all of them me, at this point) on various machines need to have read and write permissions on this repository. I have run into problems due to different user numbers, as the owners and groups on the USB drive are numbers only, unless originating on the machine the drive is mounted on. I think this is how it works. I was given a formula to type into /etc/fstab to use the users option to mount this flash drive; however, I don't know what order my various USB storage devices are going to be plugged in. Not knowing any better, I am thinking that the most direct approach may be to use dbus or whatever does these things, to provide in some other way, so that when the USB flash drive with a particular volume label will be mounted with the "users" option. Is this doable? Thank you, Alan -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iodine at runbox.no Tue Mar 3 12:13:39 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:13:39 +0100 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903030755.29704.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> <200903030755.29704.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AD1EF3.5070108@runbox.no> Nils Kassube wrote: > Paige Thompson wrote: >> Not my fault or problem :/ > > Yeah - that's what all spammers say. Paige should be kicked off this group, IMO. I think it's the height of egoism to admit being lazy and clueless, then blame the _list_ for the consequences. Odd. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 12:19:30 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:19:30 -0800 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:30:35 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote: [...] > > Is this doable? > Yes, you may use labels or uuid in your fstab to have your partitions mounted on the mount points you specify or use udev rules to get the same device node each time. From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:26:01 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:26:01 +1000 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? In-Reply-To: References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bef1f890903030526n6217d404xf0ec20351238e885@mail.gmail.com> Thank you. Is it possible to ensure that the files on the device will be readable and writable by the user who mounted the USB drive? I have done the following, and it may be working: 1. mkdir /media/BLUE 2. labelled the USB drive "BLUE" 3. chmod 777 /media/BLUE 4. in fstab: ####USB BLUE LABEL=BLUE /media/BLUE ext2 defaults,users,rw,auto 0 0 So far so good. I am not sure this is doing what I want, however, as I still see the owner of some files as "1000". Thank you again, Alan On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Thorny wrote: > On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:30:35 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote: > > [...] > > > > Is this doable? > > > > Yes, you may use labels or uuid in your fstab to have your partitions > mounted on the mount points you specify or use udev rules to get the same > device node each time. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjf at tow.org.uk Tue Mar 3 13:31:58 2009 From: cjf at tow.org.uk (John French) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:31:58 +0000 Subject: Phone dialling application ? Message-ID: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone calls. (OK, it's not really an Ubuntu question, but you are the most helpful bunch of guys I know.) With my old Windows system, I had Lotus Organizer, and used it as an address book. If I clicked on an entry, one more click would dial that phone number, using the old hardware modem. This had the advantage of dialling any length of number correctly - which I can't guarantee to do! I have tried to run Organizer under Wine without success. (Maybe a newer version would work.) Is there a Linux app which can do this, or something similar ? John From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 13:42:14 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:42:14 +0100 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> Paige Thompson wrote: > read this. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework This paragraph of the Wikipedia article is interesting: | Qualifiers | Each mechanism can be combined with one of four qualifiers: | + for a PASS result. This can be omitted; e.g., +mx is the same as mx. | ? for a NEUTRAL result interpreted like NONE (no policy). | ~ for SOFTFAIL, a debugging aid between NEUTRAL and FAIL. | - for FAIL, the mail should be rejected (see below). And this is your setup: > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > devel.ws. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" So according to the article you listed as reference, your setup with "~all" doesn't request a rejection but is merely a debugging entry. > Not my fault or problem :/ Well, I think it is your fault (and our problem). Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:49:26 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:49:26 +0200 Subject: Phone dialling application ? In-Reply-To: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> References: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00903030549p63dede55i855bd0ac45d570ed@mail.gmail.com> > Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone > calls. (OK, it's not really an Ubuntu question, but you are the most > helpful bunch of guys I know.) > > With my old Windows system, I had Lotus Organizer, and used it as an > address book. If I clicked on an entry, one more click would dial that > phone number, using the old hardware modem. This had the advantage of > dialling any length of number correctly - which I can't guarantee to > do!  I have tried to run Organizer under Wine without success.   (Maybe > a newer version would work.) Is there a Linux app which can do this, or > something similar ? > You might want to file a feature request at KDE to have them add this to the KDE-PIM application: bugs.kde.org -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Tue Mar 3 13:52:41 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:52:41 +0000 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903030526n6217d404xf0ec20351238e885@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890903030526n6217d404xf0ec20351238e885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD3629.8090305@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, > Is it possible to ensure that the files on the device will be readable > and writable by the user who mounted the USB drive? > > I have done the following, and it may be working: > > 1. mkdir /media/BLUE > 2. labelled the USB drive "BLUE" > 3. chmod 777 /media/BLUE > 4. in fstab: > ####USB BLUE > LABEL=BLUE /media/BLUE ext2 defaults,users,rw,auto 0 0 > > So far so good. I am not sure this is doing what I want, however, as I > still see the owner of some files as "1000". 1000 was presumably the UID of your user account on the machine where you created the file ? The fact that you are seeing 1000 as the user on the second system means that you don't have a user on that system using UID=1000 (and thus your account on this machine has a different UID ?) In a similar situation I found the best approach was to arrange to make sure I have the same UID for all the accounts I use on different systems. When accounts are created the UID is normally automatically assigned, but it is possible to choose it by hand. Of course, if some other account is already using the UID you want, you are out of luck. IIf you can do this though then you will naturally have the same permissions on all machines where you mount the drive, and thus it is the most elegant solution I think. If this is not possible, then you could make the files on the drive rw for all users. e.g. > cd /path/to/external/drive > chmod -R a+wr * This is not as elegant, but might be your best alternative. cheers Chris From Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 14:06:27 2009 From: Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net (Detlef Lechner) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:06:27 +0100 Subject: How can I access an Evolution addressbook from another Ubuntu computer in the same LAN? Message-ID: <1236089187.10502.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, how can I access an Evolution 2.22.3.1 address book from a remote Ubuntu 8.04.2 computer in the same LAN ? Evolution provides the plugin CalDAV. There is a process evolution-data-server-2.22. Regards, Detlef Lechner From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Tue Mar 3 14:07:14 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:07:14 +0100 Subject: Phone dialling application ? In-Reply-To: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> References: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Message-ID: <49AD3992.3010004@carl-fh.com> Hi John French, John French wrote: > Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone > calls. (OK, it's not really an Ubuntu question, but you are the most > helpful bunch of guys I know.) > > With my old Windows system, I had Lotus Organizer, and used it as an > address book. If I clicked on an entry, one more click would dial that > phone number, using the old hardware modem. This had the advantage of > dialling any length of number correctly - which I can't guarantee to > do! I have tried to run Organizer under Wine without success. (Maybe > a newer version would work.) Is there a Linux app which can do this, or > something similar ? > > John > > If you have loads of money then: http://injoy-dialer.f-x-communications.qarchive.org/ They have one more call center style like application. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Tue Mar 3 14:12:42 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:12:42 +0100 Subject: How can I access an Evolution addressbook from another Ubuntu computer in the same LAN? In-Reply-To: <1236089187.10502.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236089187.10502.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49AD3ADA.4000700@carl-fh.com> Detlef Lechner wrote: > Hello, > > how can I access an Evolution 2.22.3.1 address book from a remote Ubuntu > 8.04.2 computer in the same LAN ? > Evolution provides the plugin CalDAV. > There is a process evolution-data-server-2.22. > > Regards, > Detlef Lechner Just a mad thought. What if you created a shared directory in which you made a link to the evolution database. Then on the remote computer, with a cron job, updated the evolution database from an external link to the source computer. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 3 14:24:41 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:24:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AD3DA9.1030606@chrononomicon.com> Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Paige Thompson wrote: >>> I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. >> What? You let linkedin send spam to everybody in your addressbook on >> your behalf and instead of sending an apology you blame the list for >> receiving your junk? >> > > +1 piage.. If the list is moderated well it wouldnt have got in...... ..except this list isn't moderated... I think all the poster nearer the top of the thread wanted to hear was an apology instead of another reason the list is so worthless and ill-managed. But that's just my interpretation. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:29:18 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:18 -0500 Subject: Phone dialling application ? In-Reply-To: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> References: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, John French wrote: > Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone > calls. (OK, it's not really an Ubuntu question, but you are the most > helpful bunch of guys I know.) > > With my old Windows system, I had Lotus Organizer, and used it as an > address book. If I clicked on an entry, one more click would dial that > phone number, using the old hardware modem. This had the advantage of > dialling any length of number correctly - which I can't guarantee to > do!  I have tried to run Organizer under Wine without success.   (Maybe > a newer version would work.) Is there a Linux app which can do this, or > something similar ? I could see an application doing that - but the trick would be getting it into whatever you are using as an address book right? If it's a separate program by the time you copy and paste it out of your address book into the dialing program it wouldn't be worth it anymore I think. Which address book are you using? Brian PS - chat -v -s '' 'ATZ' < /dev/modem > /dev/modem *might* work as a stand alone program - haven't got one to test From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:37:11 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:37:11 -0500 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > I have a git repository on a USB flash drive.  Two or more users (all of > them me, at this point) on various machines need to have read and write > permissions on this repository.  I have run into problems due to different > user numbers, as the owners and groups on the USB drive are numbers only, > unless originating on the machine the drive is mounted on.  I think this is > how it works. Owners and groups are actually numbers UIDs and GIDs - always. The text is just a label for humans. So, if a file is owned by user 500, it checks the /etc/passwd file, and sees user 500 has name 'fred' and displays 'fred' on the screen. If you take that drive to another computer that doesn't have a user 500, it just prints 500. If that other computer has a user 500 called john - it prints John on the screen. Perhaps it would be helpful to create a group called 'gitusers' or something, with a specified group number of say 5555 or whatever on every computer you want to hook that drive up to. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:42:14 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:42:14 -0500 Subject: Dreamweaver Equiv In-Reply-To: References: <20090224232233.ce0b78d3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090225003540.c3b68c1d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A48C0C.9050801@runbox.no> <87mycbnsjn.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090225120103.43eb91f6.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <87fxi0edxq.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090227124139.43289eb9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Silner wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:41:39 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > >> Of course people would pay for DW on Linux, just like they would pay for >> DW on Windows.. because it's the tool they want and there is no serious >> competitors/equivalent, just like is the case for zillions of windows >> commercial applications. So if they want it, they would have to pay for >> it. Of course some people would just steal it from P2P networks... just >> like they do the Windows version, no more no less. So if DW is viable >> under Windows, I don't see why it couldn't be so on Linux, because past >> years have proven that there is not a remote chance of having a DW >> equivalent before many many years, if ever there is one. > > Mind you, I also come across more experienced Linux users who tell me, > since DW is just a giant script engine, you may as well save your money > and learn the scripts. Well, the Linux kernel is just a bunch of C code compiled into assembler - you might as well just learn the assembler and skip the whole OS thing.... From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:47:31 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:47:31 -0500 Subject: How can I access an Evolution addressbook from another Ubuntu computer in the same LAN? In-Reply-To: <1236089187.10502.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1236089187.10502.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Detlef Lechner wrote: > Hello, > > how can I access an Evolution 2.22.3.1 address book from a remote Ubuntu > 8.04.2 computer in the same LAN ? > Evolution provides the plugin CalDAV. > There is a process evolution-data-server-2.22. Please note, this is educated guessing - I could be wrong, but.... I think the evolution-data-server is the backend for the mail etc on your local machine - i.e. it only serves to itself. CalDAV is for calendaring, not for contacts. To do shared address books you need an LDAP server - see Anyone else have experience here? Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:50:19 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:50:19 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu desktop & LVM2 In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022017x41fccce0od2d66a68807fc6c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5061b39c0903022017x41fccce0od2d66a68807fc6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paige Thompson wrote: > why do i always have to geek and dork around in order to install ubuntu > desktop on lvm2 volumes? the feature was blatently taken from the installer > and look at how much i care i still go way out of my way to have it. > Seriously, why! taken? Was always in the alternate, and never in the Live IIRC... Brian From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Tue Mar 3 14:57:28 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:57:28 -0500 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <499FF68F.8050608@gmail.com> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD4558.40405@tigershaunt.com> Paige Thompson wrote: > read this. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> @localhost devel.ws TXT > ; (2 servers found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62695 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;devel.ws. IN TXT > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > devel.ws. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" > > ;; Query time: 277 msec > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) > ;; WHEN: Tue Mar 3 07:10:07 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 > > See that? That says mail from *@devel.ws can only be mailed by > aspmx.googlemail.com IE: not aspmx.facebook.com > > Not my fault or problem :/ > 2 things before I wash my hands of this. 1. You don't understand as much of SPF as you think you do. A sender need only insert an appropriate Return-Path: header, and they can send messages as From: you without triggering SPF blocking at all. SPF is only useful to prevent backscatter. (That is, a mail server that honors SPF will not send bounce messages to a forged From: address.) 2. You lie with dogs, you get fleas. I understand you had no malicious intent sending your contact list to spammer scum like Linked-In, but if you can't acknowledge the basic err in netiquette of sending off other people's contact info like that, you fail. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 15:00:39 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:00:39 -0500 Subject: Phone dialling application ? In-Reply-To: References: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, John French wrote: >> Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone >> calls.[...] Is there a Linux app which can do this, or >> something similar ? > I could see an application doing that - but the trick would be getting > it into whatever you are using as an address book right?  If it's a > separate program by the time you copy and paste it out of your address > book into the dialing program it wouldn't be worth it anymore I think. >  Which address book are you using? Just had a second thought - This sounds like the perfect Gnome-DO plug in - Quicksilver already does this (although most Macs these days don't have modems). Perhaps a query or request on the Gnome-Do would be useful. Brian From rlp1938 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 15:12:01 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:12:01 +0700 Subject: Dreamweaver Equiv In-Reply-To: References: <20090225003540.c3b68c1d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49A48C0C.9050801@runbox.no> <87mycbnsjn.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090225120103.43eb91f6.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <87fxi0edxq.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090227124139.43289eb9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903030712p1234755cgdac277df2d20fcb5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Silner wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:41:39 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> >>> Of course people would pay for DW on Linux, just like they would pay for >>> DW on Windows.. because it's the tool they want and there is no serious >>> competitors/equivalent, just like is the case for zillions of windows >>> commercial applications. So if they want it, they would have to pay for >>> it. Of course some people would just steal it from P2P networks... just >>> like they do the Windows version, no more no less. So if DW is viable >>> under Windows, I don't see why it couldn't be so on Linux, because past >>> years have proven that there is not a remote chance of having a DW >>> equivalent before many many years, if ever there is one. >> >> Mind you, I also come across more experienced Linux users who tell me, >> since DW is just a giant script engine, you may as well save your money >> and learn the scripts. > > > > Well, the Linux kernel is just a bunch of C code compiled into > assembler - you might as well just learn the assembler and skip the > whole OS thing.... There is one significant difference. The Linux kernel is essential to the use of Linux. Dream Weaver better called Pipe Dream Weaver has no essential part in Web Development though I know it does some sexy things. It does encourage the clueless into Web Development. As for myself I am not a web developer but I do find that from time to time I get called to debug some of the crap generated by a friend of mine who has been using DW for years. Bob Parker > > -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From larryesu at charter.net Tue Mar 3 09:41:16 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:41:16 -0600 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? Message-ID: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> *I have a friend who has been having a problem with his email not being delivered...I have attached what he sent me so that you can see what is happening... This problem, could it be with his ISP, or what, any one have any idea...??? Thanks Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 4239 URL: From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 3 15:56:32 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:56:32 -0500 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> Message-ID: <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> Larry Shields wrote: > *I have a friend who has been having a problem with his email not being > delivered...I have attached what he sent me so that you can see what is > happening... > > This problem, could it be with his ISP, or what, any one have any > idea...??? > > Thanks Larry > * Haven't seen a reply on this, so I'll give it a shot. To me, it looks like cybrzn.com is having trouble of /some kind/ getting to Charter. If your friend is using linux, try switching the SMTP server in the server settings in his mail client to sendmail on the localhost. Or, if they are savvy enough, have them do some test emails from the command line to those email addresses. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Tue Mar 3 16:17:08 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:17:08 -0500 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49AD1EF3.5070108@runbox.no> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> <200903030755.29704.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD1EF3.5070108@runbox.no> Message-ID: <49AD5804.9070408@dinamis.com> Odd wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Paige Thompson wrote: >>> Not my fault or problem :/ >> Yeah - that's what all spammers say. > > Paige should be kicked off this group, IMO. I would hope that the list is run by people who are more competent and more forgiving of human error than you so that they would do no such thing. > I think it's the > height of egoism to admit being lazy and clueless, then > blame the _list_ for the consequences. And I think it is the height of being narcissistic and clueless on your part to think that *one* email sent to the list inadvertently injured you sooo much that it justifies someone kicking off this "group". (By the way, this is a list, not a group.) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Tue Mar 3 16:17:26 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:17:26 -0500 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211453.16832.kassube@gmx.net> <5061b39c0903022213x94a8793y651df5b8846bbf7d@mail.gmail.com> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Paige Thompson wrote: >> read this. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework > > This paragraph of the Wikipedia article is interesting: > > | Qualifiers > | Each mechanism can be combined with one of four qualifiers: > | + for a PASS result. This can be omitted; e.g., +mx is the same as mx. > | ? for a NEUTRAL result interpreted like NONE (no policy). > | ~ for SOFTFAIL, a debugging aid between NEUTRAL and FAIL. > | - for FAIL, the mail should be rejected (see below). > > And this is your setup: > >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> devel.ws. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" > > So according to the article you listed as reference, your setup > with "~all" doesn't request a rejection but is merely a debugging > entry. > >> Not my fault or problem :/ > > Well, I think it is your fault (and our problem). So now you're becoming nitpicky and changing your story to justify your aggression. Originally, you were saying that she was a spammer, which made a bunch of bozos pile on. (*Odd* how that works.) Now you're saying that instead of an error in commission, it was an error in omission. There is a big difference and even if it was an error of omission on her part, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference if Canonical's servers don't care about SPF, assuming SPF worked the way she thought it did. I think you owe Adele an apology or at the very least acknowledge that there was no intent to spam as you so fervently alleged earlier in this thread. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From larryesu at charter.net Tue Mar 3 10:35:57 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:35:57 -0600 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49AD080D.5090302@charter.net> Mark Haney wrote: > Larry Shields wrote: > >> *I have a friend who has been having a problem with his email not being >> delivered...I have attached what he sent me so that you can see what is >> happening... >> >> This problem, could it be with his ISP, or what, any one have any >> idea...??? >> >> Thanks Larry >> * >> > > Haven't seen a reply on this, so I'll give it a shot. To me, it looks > like cybrzn.com is having trouble of /some kind/ getting to Charter. If > your friend is using linux, try switching the SMTP server in the server > settings in his mail client to sendmail on the localhost. > > Or, if they are savvy enough, have them do some test emails from the > command line to those email addresses. > > > *Thanks for the reply, I made the suggestions you mentioned, so we will see what happens... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From nospam08q2 at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 16:35:57 2009 From: nospam08q2 at gmx.net (Heike C. Zimmerer) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:35:57 +0100 Subject: Serial Port Terminal Program References: <1235756704.6378.56.camel@red.home> <20090227192048.9a2e32f6.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090227204027.e7f94d5d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <1235764696.11489.4.camel@red.home> <20090227210404.e5809502.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <1235767563.6519.11.camel@red.home> <1235783554.6519.33.camel@red.home> <20090228044216.b78cbdd3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <1235799536.6519.54.camel@red.home> <1235834736.6519.99.camel@red.home> Message-ID: Kipton Moravec writes: >> So, let's go back to square one, ignore are subsequent advise/posts, and >> ask that you provide the basic information above. Then perhaps someone >> can help you further. > > I am guessing the problem is with handshaking. If there is no HW > handshaking it loses data or screws up data. (I do not have handshaking, > so I have not tested it with handshaking.) You don't lose data, as is shown on your screen prints. It's just that characters which have bit 6 set also get bit 7 set. Seems like a CSIZE problem to me. Look yourself: for all lower case characters (bit 6 is set), you get ones which have bit 7 set -- they aren't missing. Btw.: you'd better used some webspace and placed your pictures there, using a link in your mail to refer to them instead of sending them as attachement. Some people are on limited bandwith. Heike From phb at hbsys.plus.com Tue Mar 3 17:37:18 2009 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:37:18 +0000 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation Message-ID: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> This is just a general note to see if others have encountered similar problems to myself with an Intrepid installation. On 3 different machines, 2 Intel and 1 AMD, I have been unable to successfully sum-check CDs created from the downloaded ISO and also an officially supplied CD from Canonical (both of them the 32 bit, i86 variant). The symptoms involve a variable number - typically 7 - of disc errors during the boot option of checking the CD for errors. Similar errors are also reported if an installation is attempted. Needless to say all the CDs, both my own and Canonical's, verify successfully against the ISO when checked with ImgBurn and Nero, suggesting that the problem lies within the drivers used at start-up. For the record, I also had a similar problem with the 64 bit variant, but I finally achieved a successful installation after I had burnt the CD ISO onto a DVD-RW. This technique did *NOT* work for the 32 bit version. Anyone else encountered this issue? Anyone any thoughts? Peter HB From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 17:42:31 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:42:31 -0600 Subject: srv directory Message-ID: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> Greetings, What is the purpose of the srv directory off the root of the drive? -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From jtgoguen at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 17:46:13 2009 From: jtgoguen at gmail.com (Joel Goguen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: srv directory In-Reply-To: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> References: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: <49AD6CE5.9000908@gmail.com> On 09-03-03 01:42 PM, Chris wrote: > Greetings, > > What is the purpose of the srv directory off the root of the drive? > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM /srv contains site-specific data which is served by this system. -- Joel Goguen Ubuntu User #15951 When we help, we benefit From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 3 17:47:21 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:47:21 +0100 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > So now you're becoming nitpicky and changing your story to justify > your aggression. Originally, you were saying that she was a spammer, I think you are mixing up things. Yes, I said she is a spammer, and I stand by that allegation. But the main complaint is the rudeness of blaming the list for receiving her spam. > it wouldn't have made one bit of difference if > Canonical's servers don't care about SPF, assuming SPF worked the way > she thought it did. How do we know if Canonical's servers care about SPF? If her setup is faulty anyway, it is a very lame excuse for blaming the wrong people. > I think you owe Adele an apology or at the very > least acknowledge that there was no intent to spam as you so > fervently alleged earlier in this thread. I never said she sent it intentionally. In my first mail in this thread I wrote: | We will receive more of that junk from linkedin when the next clueless | user authorizes them to send spam to everybody in their address book. IMHO, "clueless" doesn't mean "intentional". Nils From scott at eotr.net Tue Mar 3 17:58:11 2009 From: scott at eotr.net (Scott Abbey) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:58:11 -0500 Subject: srv directory In-Reply-To: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> References: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: <1236103091.13125.10.camel@rei> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 11:42 -0600, Chris wrote: > Greetings, > > What is the purpose of the srv directory off the root of the drive? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM In clearer terms, anything the system serves to the network is supposed to go in this directory. In order to comply with the FHS, which Ubuntu endeavors to, the directory must be present. That said, Debian based systems traditionally serve webpages from /var/www, and other services use other directories scattered across the system. /srv is the standard, and should be used if you have a choice. -- Scott Abbey From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 17:59:43 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:59:43 -0600 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:47:21 +0100 Nils Kassube wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > So now you're becoming nitpicky and changing your story to justify > > your aggression. Originally, you were saying that she was a spammer, > > I think you are mixing up things. Yes, I said she is a spammer, and I > stand by that allegation. But the main complaint is the rudeness of > blaming the list for receiving her spam. > > > it wouldn't have made one bit of difference if > > Canonical's servers don't care about SPF, assuming SPF worked the > > way she thought it did. > > How do we know if Canonical's servers care about SPF? If her setup is > faulty anyway, it is a very lame excuse for blaming the wrong people. > > > I think you owe Adele an apology or at the very > > least acknowledge that there was no intent to spam as you so > > fervently alleged earlier in this thread. > > I never said she sent it intentionally. In my first mail in this > thread I wrote: > > | We will receive more of that junk from linkedin when the next > clueless | user authorizes them to send spam to everybody in their > address book. > > IMHO, "clueless" doesn't mean "intentional". > > > Nils > From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clueless clueless, adjective Totally uninformed about what is going on; not having even a clue from which to infer what is occurring I think you nailed it correctly, Nils. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 18:02:09 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:02:09 -0600 Subject: srv directory In-Reply-To: <1236103091.13125.10.camel@rei> References: <20090303114231.365aafbc@chris.makeworld.com> <1236103091.13125.10.camel@rei> Message-ID: <20090303120209.6f4202e2@chris.makeworld.com> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:58:11 -0500 Scott Abbey wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 11:42 -0600, Chris wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > What is the purpose of the srv directory off the root of the drive? > > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM > > In clearer terms, anything the system serves to the network is > supposed to go in this directory. In order to comply with the FHS, > which Ubuntu endeavors to, the directory must be present. That said, > Debian based systems traditionally serve webpages from /var/www, and > other services use other directories scattered across the > system. /srv is the standard, and should be used if you have a choice. > Outstanding. Thank you, Scott. Much obliged. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From k4rjj at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 3 18:13:44 2009 From: k4rjj at bellsouth.net (k4rjj at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:13:44 +0000 Subject: Install problem on Thinkpad A21M 2628 Message-ID: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> I just tried to introduce a co-worker to Ubuntu and I've never seen this problem. I starts through the install but end up several minutes later at a command line with a host of errors above. - bash: /dev/null: Permission denied Where to from here? Thanks! Ronny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig.huffstetler at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 18:18:51 2009 From: craig.huffstetler at gmail.com (Craig Huffstetler) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:18:51 -0500 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation In-Reply-To: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> References: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > ... > > Anyone else encountered this issue? Anyone any thoughts? > > Peter HB There have been issues reported like this in nature. Usually, as you point out, these occurrences are isolated on boxes with certain unsupported devices/drivers at boot time. It happens sometimes with new kernels because a device may have become unstable and it can cause kernel issues. Or you simply need to tell the kernel to load a driver. For example: Did previous versions of Ubuntu work fine for you (Hardy, possibily even an alpha or beta of Intrepid)? It's only the 32-bit Intrepid final that is failing to boot, which leads me to believe it's something to do with the final kernel included and your hardware. I just wanted to test it against another kernel at boot time. Questions: 1. How far are you getting into your boot-up? Do you get the splash screen, for example (Install Ubuntu/Try Ubuntu Live!). 2. Are you receiving any errors when you boot-up for installation on the failed attempts? This seems to be what you are pointing to. If so, what are they? 3. Is it the same error every time? 4. The only thing that made the final attempt successful for installation was simply that it was the 64 bit variant? Thanks, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Tue Mar 3 18:49:03 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:49:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Firefox truncating web pages Message-ID: It happened some time ago that Firefox (FX3) truncated a web page I tried to print. I first thought that it was related to a bad html code, but now I discovered that this happens with a lot of web pages, which all print perfectly with Internet Explorer. A short google call with "firefox truncating web pages" gaves me about 70000 hits, but no real fix (I must confess I didn't read the 70000 entries) I tried with FX2 and seamonkey with the same result: only 1 page printed (idem with the print preview) Has anybody a workaround ? -- Pierre Frenkiel From cl at isbd.net Tue Mar 3 18:53:25 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:53:25 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? Message-ID: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for printing something. -- Chris Green From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Tue Mar 3 19:03:55 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:03:55 -0300 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files Message-ID: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> Hi list! I'm writing because i have a problem with samba... it just refuses to show me the files under some directories, for example root at host:/data1/ECHAM_data# ls -l eovalle/ eovalle/Andres/ eovalle/: total 15380 drwxr--r-- 5 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 11:10 Andres drwxr--r-- 22 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 10:55 Biblioteca ... more files eovalle/Andres/: total 12 drwxr--r-- 5 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 11:10 Programas FVCOM drwxr--r-- 6 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 11:10 reloncavi drwxr--r-- 4 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 11:10 rutinasElias root at host:/data1/ECHAM_data# smb: \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\> ls NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE listing \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\* 44010 blocks of size 16777216. 6636 blocks available smb: \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\> Any hints on what's happenning?? My smb.conf is the default, with the following share added [sharename] directory mask = 0775 comment = shared somewhere writeable = no public = yes path = /data1 directory mode = 0775 guest ok = yes read only = Yes browseable = Yes -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From rpowersau at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 19:04:39 2009 From: rpowersau at gmail.com (rpowersau at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:04:39 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <476484250903031104m43493eao6a2c42e14c6bb85f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Chris G wrote: > A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an > image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem > to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. Ksnapshot does this but pulls in some extra kubuntu stuff. > > > -- > Chris Green > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 19:12:04 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:12:04 +1800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Chris G wrote: > A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an > image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem > to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print.  I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. I have gThumb set as my default viewer for JPEG - I open the file, Alt-C, select a region, click "Apply" (NOT SAVE) and then print. Still a bit cumbersome, but quicker than firing up GIMP... Chris From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 3 19:46:17 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:46:17 -0600 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> "Mark Haney" said: > Haven't seen a reply on this, so I'll give it a shot. To me, it looks > like cybrzn.com is having trouble of /some kind/ getting to Charter. > If your friend is using linux, try switching the SMTP server in the > server settings in his mail client to sendmail on the localhost. > > Or, if they are savvy enough, have them do some test emails from the > command line to those email addresses. Knowing of the problems some folks have been having with Charter, I would bet on the problem lying on their end. Knowing, also, of their lack of care for their customers, I doubt it will be easy to get them to respond/fix. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 3 19:47:13 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:47:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200902211632.01571.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD8941.3070009@gatech.edu> Paige Thompson wrote: > I blame the list, this email never should have gotten to here. Interesting, I blame you. Every single message on this list says "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" and "ubuntu-users". /You/ are responsible for not causing the list spam. you should have removed your mailing lists before submitting your address book to LinkedIn or explicitly unchecked them after they were imported (I know Facebook does this). > As I was saying, linkedin sent mail on my behalf Exactly, which means you are 100% responsible. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 3 19:50:19 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:50:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Was: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ACDDDA.3010709@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <49A03B58.4080702@comcast.net> <5061b39c0903022040q63d21766wfd2ac7eae251e2e5@mail.gmail.com> <200903030720.39372.kassube@gmx.net> <49ACDDDA.3010709@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49AD89FB.5020200@gatech.edu> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lighten up. She admits that she authorized LinkedIn to contact people in > her address book to invite them join her network. There is nothing wrong > with that. Yeah, actually there is. We are not her "friends". She didn't realize that LinkedIn would send a message with > her email address in the "From" field to the list. I certainly wouldn't > have expected that either. That's besides the point. Not all lists even control based on From address, so even if the from was a linkedin domain some spam would still have gotten through. > I would have thought LinkedIn would have sent a message from something > like noreply at linkedin.com rather than put my email address in the "From" > field, had I asked LinkedIn to send invitations on my behalf. That's very naive. They send from your email specifically so people don't block them. Matt Flaschen From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 3 19:52:27 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:52:27 -0500 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > Knowing of the problems some folks have been having with Charter, I > would bet on the problem lying on their end. Knowing, also, of their > lack of care for their customers, I doubt it will be easy to get them > to respond/fix. > > Cybe R. Wizard I certainly do agree with that assessment. But, the OP wanted ideas on how to diagnose and so I offered some, and, possibly, a way to get around the problem. I've seen where using local sendmail with Charter sometimes fixes issues with them. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From phb at hbsys.plus.com Tue Mar 3 20:04:03 2009 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:04:03 +0000 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation In-Reply-To: References: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <49AD8D33.9060706@hbsys.plus.com> Craig Huffstetler wrote: [cut] > For example: Did previous versions of Ubuntu work fine for you > (Hardy, possibily even an alpha or beta of Intrepid)? It's only the > 32-bit Intrepid final that is failing to boot, which leads me to > believe it's something to do with the final kernel included and your > hardware. I just wanted to test it against another kernel at boot > time. Yes, Hardy had no problems and Debian (Lenny) works fine also, but I ruled out hardware because of the machine spread. True, 2 are Intel Pentium III at 800 MHz, but the third is an AMD Athlon 64+ at 2000 MHz with a totally different main board, SATA disks etc. > Questions: 1. How far are you getting into your boot-up? Do you get > the splash screen, for example (Install Ubuntu/Try Ubuntu Live!). I get to the splash screen (past the language check where I successfully choose English) and then select the "Check CD for defects". That ultimately fails with "Check finished: errors found in 7 files!". The errors seem to all fall into the class "[ nn.mmmmmm] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector xxxx > 2. Are you receiving any errors when you boot-up for installation on > the failed attempts? This seems to be what you are pointing to. If > so, what are they? I only tried installation once and observed similar errors. I'm very reluctant to try again as I don't want to wreck a perfectly good Hardy installation.. I know that sounds irrational, but whilst I don't mind re-installing I don't want to be left with a lump of useless iron if the installation fails:-) > 3. Is it the same error every time? 4. The only thing that made the > final attempt successful for installation was simply that it was the > 64 bit variant? Not true. Similar failures occurred with the 64 bit variant, but finally ceased after the DVD-RW experiment, suggesting that something is flaky, but not totally broken. In a previous life, many years ago, I wrote device error recovery code and it looks here as if someone in just not trying to recover an error Thanks a lot for your interest. Peter HB From redmondtux at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 20:05:19 2009 From: redmondtux at gmail.com (Redmond Tux) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:05:19 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu doesn't recognize RAID5 array - what to do? In-Reply-To: References: <2cbd7eff0902282102y78779be3j1a69b737f0060388@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cbd7eff0903031205t7839d810s3f1bcfef35ae27c6@mail.gmail.com> When I first installed Ubuntu, Ubuntu correctly detected it. The drives were listed as "Adaptec" in Nautilus. I wasn't using any special software. Ubuntu doesn't detect it now and I don't understand why. Hence I am asking for help. I am equally puzzled as to why it isn't being detected. The controller boots properly at startup after it powers on each Serial Attached SCSI drive. No hardware issues. I did update the firmware on the Adaptec controller before reinstalling Ubuntu, at Adaptec's urging... that's the only thing I can think of that would have changed with the hardware, but it was only a minor update. Shouldn't cause Ubuntu to stop recognizing the controller. redmondtux On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Redmond Tux wrote: > > A few weeks ago I reinstalled the latest version of Ubuntu (wanted a > > clean start) and discovered, to my unpleasant surprise, that Ubuntu > > doesn't recognize my RAID5 array. > > > > Previously, it was recognized as "Adaptec" (that's the hardware > > controller that all the drives are tethered to). > > Who did recognize it as "Adaptec", i.e. which software did you use, when > it was correctly detected? > > Eberhard > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 3 20:12:22 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OT - Cox.net] Re: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, NoOp wrote: > On 03/02/2009 07:39 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: ............snip............ >> The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. >> > > Email Server News Server > POP Server: pop.west.cox.net > SMTP Server: smtp.west.cox.net > news.west.cox.net Uhm....if I wasn't aware of this I wouldn't be able to send/receive mail to/from this list. > > But if you are having problems with their news/mail, why not just use > them as a transport and set up news/mail with a 3rd party? For instance, > you can still get e-mail accounts via Sonic if you wish: > http://www.sonic.net/sales/hosting/ and there are many others (less > expensive). I'm sure that as a previous customer of Sonic that Dane > Jasper & crew would be happy to work with you. I kept my sonic account alive when I went to Cox. I have already tried posting thru their news server (news.sonic.net) but had the same problem with posts to moderated groups not showing up. I even got a Giganews account to try. Still no joy. The only common denominator in all this is that my mail to the various news servers is going thru Cox's SMTP server. Why that would contribute to the problem is beyond me but going thru a dialup modem would bypass Cox and confirm whether or not their SMTP server is at fault. What have I missed? Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 20:35:18 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:35:18 -0500 Subject: linux software raid Message-ID: Hi I just install ubuntu with software raid. I noticed during the configure raid I saw a message that kernel does not know of md0 and I need to reboot to fix it. I went along and finish the install. When the system rebooted it came back with a message raid degraded. Here is an excerpt from the dmesg [ 35.454913] md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction [ 35.565022] raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors [ 35.579360] md: md1 stopped. [ 35.579373] md: unbind [ 35.597226] md: export_rdev(dm-2) [ 35.638893] md: bind [ 35.638911] md: md1: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction [ 35.738506] raid1: raid set md1 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors root at host:~# mdadm --query --detail /dev/md0 /dev/md0: Version : 00.90 Creation Time : Tue Mar 3 14:38:40 2009 Raid Level : raid1 Array Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) Used Dev Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) Raid Devices : 2 Total Devices : 1 Preferred Minor : 0 Persistence : Superblock is persistent Update Time : Tue Mar 3 15:31:42 2009 State : clean, degraded Active Devices : 1 Working Devices : 1 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 0 UUID : 111256f9:cad06de4:2c5872f0:3d319ab8 Events : 0.126 Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 254 1 0 active sync /dev/block/254:1 1 0 0 1 removed root at host:~# ls -al /dev/block/254\:1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-03-03 15:10 /dev/block/254:1 -> ../mapper/nvidia_eeffhbef1 I have two disks and I setup md0 raid1 out of sda1 and sbd1 and mount as / and md1 raid1 swap device out of sda5 and sdb5 root at ftp0:~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xffffffff Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 9327 74919096 fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda2 9328 9729 3229065 5 Extended /dev/sda5 9328 9729 3229033+ fd Linux raid autodetect Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xffffffff Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 9327 74919096 fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sdb2 9328 9729 3229065 5 Extended /dev/sdb5 9328 9729 3229033+ fd Linux raid autodetect How do I fix the degraded raid? -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 21:26:24 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:26:24 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help Message-ID: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> I have to keep my Ubuntu set for Zero Appearance effects. If I set it to normal my system works pretty good until I use Google. It has so many color effects it heats up the video chip and my screen displays a funny cross-hatch pattern and it kills the keyboard and mouse. Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. Alas it does not improve performance one bit :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From madduck at madduck.net Tue Mar 3 21:54:36 2009 From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:54:36 +0100 Subject: linux software raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090303215436.GA8815@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> also sprach Asif Iqbal [2009.03.03.2135 +0100]: > Hi I just install ubuntu with software raid. I noticed during the > configure raid I saw a message that kernel does not know of md0 and I > need to reboot to fix it. I went along and finish the install. When > the system rebooted it came back with a message raid degraded. When RAID1 us created, it is degraded until the first sync completes. That probably didn't happen in time before the reboot, so it started again when it had the next chance. Nothing to worry about. It should be done now. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ above all, we should not wish to divest our existence of its rich ambiguity. --friedrich nietzsche spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So spammers are merely "clueless"? Calling someone a spammer implies intent. I think you're both dancing on the head of a pin and just can't admit that you shot first and asked questions later. As it turned out, she was not a spammer. She overlooked the fact that she had the list's address in her address book and wasn't aware, as I wasn't and I'm sure many other aren't, that LinkedIn sends the invitation using the "From" address of the account holder. That doesn't make LinkedIn a spammer, as someone implied earlier in this thread. The person who made that silly comment earlier in this thread is the really clueless one for being so ignorant about the purpose of LinkedIn. The frenzied outraged howls from the self-appointed list "moderators" (you're nothing like the word "moderate") is just crazy. Granted, Adele could have reacted differently but I can understand why someone would get their back up when a bunch of people start piling on with their silly comments about how she was a spammer and she should be kicked off the list. Perhaps we all need to be reminded occasionally about the Golden Rule. If you have never screwed up and sent the wrong email to the wrong person or to the wrong list, you haven't been using email long enough. You will. You'd better hope that the recipients of that unintentionally sent email are more generous than you are. What is more ridiculous? One email sent to the list in error, no matter how it got there, or 30+ emails complaining about it? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Norberto From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:12:47 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:12:47 -0500 Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > It happened some time ago that Firefox (FX3) truncated > a web page I tried to print. I first thought that it was > related to a bad html code, but now I discovered that this > happens with a lot of web pages, which all print > perfectly with Internet Explorer. A short google call > with "firefox truncating web pages" gaves me about 70000 hits, but no > real fix (I must confess I didn't read the 70000 entries) > I tried with FX2 and seamonkey with the same result: only 1 page printed > (idem with the print preview) > > Has anybody a workaround ? Can you give us a specific example? I know I print multiple page websites from time to time and haven't noticed an issue. As a matter of fact, I know of one site that prints better with FF than with IE7 on Windows. I suspect it's a case of either poor standards support or just a lousy standard, but perhaps there's a work around. Brian From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:13:12 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:13:12 -0500 Subject: linux software raid In-Reply-To: <20090303215436.GA8815@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> References: <20090303215436.GA8815@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:54 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Asif Iqbal [2009.03.03.2135 +0100]: >> Hi I just install ubuntu with software raid. I noticed during the >> configure raid I saw a message that kernel does not know of md0 and I >> need to reboot to fix it. I went along and finish the install. When >> the system rebooted it came back with a message raid degraded. > > When RAID1 us created, it is degraded until the first sync > completes. That probably didn't happen in time before the reboot, so > it started again when it had the next chance. Nothing to worry > about. It should be done now. It still showing degraded and pointing to block device /dev/block/254:1 instead of /dev/sda1 /dev/md0: Version : 00.90 Creation Time : Tue Mar 3 14:38:40 2009 Raid Level : raid1 Array Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) Used Dev Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) Raid Devices : 2 Total Devices : 1 Preferred Minor : 0 Persistence : Superblock is persistent Update Time : Tue Mar 3 17:11:10 2009 State : clean, degraded Active Devices : 1 Working Devices : 1 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 0 UUID : 111256f9:cad06de4:2c5872f0:3d319ab8 Events : 0.210 Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 254 1 0 active sync /dev/block/254:1 1 0 0 1 removed > > -- > martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ > > above all, we should not wish to divest > our existence of its rich ambiguity. >                                                 --friedrich nietzsche > > spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmtpxsACgkQIgvIgzMMSnXe/gCdEU3qbBTdAYQfNH5dAcO3v7Om > 7pUAoLF60cb2PuZQ5/CoOWmfsBg8KNGB > =N2S/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:14:51 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:51 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Chris G wrote: > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print.  I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. Couldn't you view it, hit printscreen and select just the area of the photo you care about, then print the printscreen generated png? Brian From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Tue Mar 3 22:19:03 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:19:03 +0000 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? In-Reply-To: References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Hi, > > Owners and groups are actually numbers UIDs and GIDs - always. The > text is just a label for humans. > So, if a file is owned by user 500, it checks the /etc/passwd file, > and sees user 500 has name 'fred' and displays 'fred' on the screen. > If you take that drive to another computer that doesn't have a user > 500, it just prints 500. If that other computer has a user 500 called > john - it prints John on the screen. Thats essentially what I was trying to say, only put a little better. Another point worth making is a file 'owned' by fred on the first system will be 'owned' by john on the second. As you say, the file system doesn't care about user names, only user IDs. Chris > > > Perhaps it would be helpful to create a group called 'gitusers' or > something, with a specified group number of say 5555 or whatever on > every computer you want to hook that drive up to. > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:29:08 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:29:08 -0500 Subject: linux software raid In-Reply-To: References: <20090303215436.GA8815@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:54 PM, martin f krafft wrote: >> also sprach Asif Iqbal [2009.03.03.2135 +0100]: >>> Hi I just install ubuntu with software raid. I noticed during the >>> configure raid I saw a message that kernel does not know of md0 and I >>> need to reboot to fix it. I went along and finish the install. When >>> the system rebooted it came back with a message raid degraded. >> >> When RAID1 us created, it is degraded until the first sync >> completes. That probably didn't happen in time before the reboot, so >> it started again when it had the next chance. Nothing to worry >> about. It should be done now. > > > It still showing degraded and pointing to block device > /dev/block/254:1 instead of /dev/sda1 > > /dev/md0: >        Version : 00.90 >  Creation Time : Tue Mar  3 14:38:40 2009 >     Raid Level : raid1 >     Array Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) >  Used Dev Size : 74918976 (71.45 GiB 76.72 GB) >   Raid Devices : 2 >  Total Devices : 1 > Preferred Minor : 0 >    Persistence : Superblock is persistent > >    Update Time : Tue Mar  3 17:11:10 2009 >          State : clean, degraded >  Active Devices : 1 > Working Devices : 1 >  Failed Devices : 0 >  Spare Devices : 0 > >           UUID : 111256f9:cad06de4:2c5872f0:3d319ab8 >         Events : 0.210 > >    Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State >       0     254        1        0      active sync   /dev/block/254:1 >       1       0        0        1      removed looks like I am facing the same bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/126499 >> >> -- >> martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ >> >> above all, we should not wish to divest >> our existence of its rich ambiguity. >>                                                 --friedrich nietzsche >> >> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkmtpxsACgkQIgvIgzMMSnXe/gCdEU3qbBTdAYQfNH5dAcO3v7Om >> 7pUAoLF60cb2PuZQ5/CoOWmfsBg8KNGB >> =N2S/ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> > > > > -- > Asif Iqbal > PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 3 22:35:35 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:35:35 -0600 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> CLIFFORD ILKAY said: > That doesn't make LinkedIn a spammer, as > someone implied earlier in this thread. Sure it does. Spam is unwanted email. From a company, no matter the company or the intent of the user, unsolicited email /is/ spam by definition. From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]: Spam n 1: a canned meat made largely from pork >>>> 2: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk) [syn: {spam}, {junk e-mail}] v 1: send unwanted or junk e-mail Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 22:35:55 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:35:55 -0800 Subject: Install problem on Thinkpad A21M 2628 In-Reply-To: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> References: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 10:13 AM, k4rjj at bellsouth.net wrote: > I just tried to introduce a co-worker to Ubuntu and I've never seen this > problem. I starts through the install but end up several minutes later at a > command line with a host of errors above. > > - bash: /dev/null: Permission denied I suppose it would be helpful if you explained in more detail just exactly what you are installing, which CD/DVD, etc., etc. I have Ubuntu Hardy (8.04.2) running on my A21M/384MB RAM/20GB hard drive. I used the alternate CD to perform the install. Note: I also had Intrepid (8.10) on this machine, but it seemed that the machine got slower & slower (no idea why), so I went back to Hardy. From p.echols at comcast.net Tue Mar 3 22:48:01 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:48:01 -0800 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49ADB3A1.7070003@comcast.net> On 03/03/2009 02:35 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY said: > >> That doesn't make LinkedIn a spammer, as >> someone implied earlier in this thread. >> > > Sure it does. Spam is unwanted email. From a company, no matter the > company or the intent of the user, unsolicited email /is/ spam by > definition. > > >From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]: > > Spam > n 1: a canned meat made largely from pork > >>>> 2: unwanted e-mail . . . So, that means a continuation of this thread? :-D From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 3 22:50:43 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:50:43 +0100 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation In-Reply-To: <49AD8D33.9060706@hbsys.plus.com> References: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> <49AD8D33.9060706@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Craig Huffstetler wrote: > [cut] > >> For example: Did previous versions of Ubuntu work fine for you >> (Hardy, possibily even an alpha or beta of Intrepid)? It's only the >> 32-bit Intrepid final that is failing to boot, which leads me to >> believe it's something to do with the final kernel included and your >> hardware. I just wanted to test it against another kernel at boot >> time. > > Yes, Hardy had no problems and Debian (Lenny) works fine also, but I > ruled out hardware because of the machine spread. True, 2 are Intel > Pentium III at 800 MHz, but the third is an AMD Athlon 64+ at 2000 MHz > with a totally different main board, SATA disks etc. > >> Questions: 1. How far are you getting into your boot-up? Do you get >> the splash screen, for example (Install Ubuntu/Try Ubuntu Live!). > > I get to the splash screen (past the language check where I successfully > choose English) and then select the "Check CD for defects". That > ultimately fails with "Check finished: errors found in 7 files!". The > errors seem to all fall into the class "[ nn.mmmmmm] end_request: I/O > error, dev sr0, sector xxxx > >> 2. Are you receiving any errors when you boot-up for installation on >> the failed attempts? This seems to be what you are pointing to. If >> so, what are they? > > I only tried installation once and observed similar errors. I'm very > reluctant to try again as I don't want to wreck a perfectly good Hardy > installation.. I know that sounds irrational, but whilst I don't mind > re-installing I don't want to be left with a lump of useless iron if the > installation fails:-) > >> 3. Is it the same error every time? 4. The only thing that made the >> final attempt successful for installation was simply that it was the >> 64 bit variant? > > Not true. Similar failures occurred with the 64 bit variant, but finally > ceased after the DVD-RW experiment, suggesting that something is flaky, > but not totally broken. In a previous life, many years ago, I wrote > device error recovery code and it looks here as if someone in just not > trying to recover an error > > Thanks a lot for your interest. > > Peter HB > For a start, I would think that the CDs and/or drives might be faulty. well maybe your CD drives are a bit old and worn, especially the PIIIs'. I would burn the CD, then successfully check with sudo dd if=/dev/scd1 | md5sum (assuming that /dev/scd1 is your CD-drive). Only after successfully checking, use the CD for installation. Should the install still fail, you should do the same test on the very machine that fails and see whether there are differences. In regard to the CD/DVD phenominum: My drive here, a five year old NEC, burns DVD faultlessly each time (md5sum always checked and compared), while CD burning more often fails than I would like to see. kind regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:52:56 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:52:56 +0200 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> >    I have to keep my Ubuntu set for Zero Appearance effects. If I set > it to normal my system works pretty good until I use Google. It has so > many color effects it heats up the video chip and my screen displays a > funny cross-hatch pattern and it kills the keyboard and mouse. > This made me laugh, really, Karl, I'm sorry that I ever doubted that you are a troll! >    Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat > sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on > the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on.  Alas it does not > improve performance one bit :-) > You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 3 22:57:33 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:57:33 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> Dotan Cohen said: > You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. ?!? First, do no harm. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Tue Mar 3 22:51:58 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:51:58 -0500 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49ADB48E.3090407@dinamis.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY said: >> That doesn't make LinkedIn a spammer, as >> someone implied earlier in this thread. > > Sure it does. Spam is unwanted email. From a company, no matter the > company or the intent of the user, unsolicited email /is/ spam by > definition. > > From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]: > > Spam > n 1: a canned meat made largely from pork > >>>> 2: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in > bulk) [syn: {spam}, {junk e-mail}] > v 1: send unwanted or junk e-mail How wonderful that you know how to use a dictionary. Good for you. Now, if only you and others could exercise some common sense too. How likely do you suppose it is that a professional networking organization that counts amongst its members people like Steve Jobs, Guy Kawasaki, Sergey Brin, and Seth Godin has to resort to spamming to get the word out? (Hint: this is a rhetorical question.) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has so >> many color effects it heats up the video chip and my screen displays a >> funny cross-hatch pattern and it kills the keyboard and mouse. >> >> > > This made me laugh, really, Karl, I'm sorry that I ever doubted that > you are a troll! > > >> Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat >> sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on >> the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. Alas it does not >> improve performance one bit :-) >> >> > > You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. > > Your the troll. I KNOW where to put the grease. It was put there. It has no useful effect. My next trial was a new PCI-Ex video card which was $50.00 at Best Buy and it plugged in just fine and now I am using the highest video setting and zero problems. The heat sink on the card is 10 times larger than the one on the mother board. So I am happy with my old computer again. Nice small box and a big monitor. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 23:03:14 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:03:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <200903030752.00678.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Nils Kassube wrote: > From: Nils Kassube > Subject: Re: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:52 AM > Alan E. Davis wrote: > > I defined a new group using the System -> > Administration -> Users and > > Groups facility. I noticed that, unlike my other > system, no default > > group number was suggested. So I defined the new > group with group > > id number 1111, which I reasons is high enough to not > run afould of > > anything. > > > I had to add an admin group, but that didn't help, > even adding my > > user name as a member. I altered the sudoers file. > > In your file there is an admin group but the GID is 1004 > while it should > be 111. I suppose it will only work as the real admin group > if you > assign it the correct GID because some/most/all (?) > programs use the > GID instead of the group name. > > FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm has a GID of 4. I wouldn't expect these GIDs to change between versions BIDK. If the OP is interested send me an email off-list and I'll be glad to send you my /etc/group and /etc/group~ file so that you may try to correct your problem without reinstalling. My system is also working fine. HTH. I also have an Hardy installation in case the OP is not using Intrepid. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 23:04:43 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:04:43 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Dotan Cohen said: > >> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to >> work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. >> > > ?!? > > First, do no harm. > > Cybe R. Wizard > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, they run back to Windows as fast as possible. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Mar 3 23:13:19 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:13:19 +1100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236121999.12367.476.camel@karl> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 16:04 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to > >> work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. > > > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. It was a joke. It was ill-advised, inappropriate to this forum and not very funny, but it was a joke. For the record, everyone, do NOT replace your cooling fan with heat grease. Very important tip. Maybe we should start an anti-FAQ, of things NOT to do, so that people can be inoculated against the bad advice that keeps recurring... Regards, K. (the OTHER Karl) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From k4rjj at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 3 23:15:10 2009 From: k4rjj at bellsouth.net (k4rjj at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:15:10 +0000 Subject: Install problem on Thinkpad A21M 2628 In-Reply-To: References: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> Message-ID: <030320092315.9882.49ADB9FE000A44600000269A22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> Thanks! I'll try Hardy. My Intrepid CD has worked for every machine I've tried except this Stinkpad. I've hated these boxes ever since I saw the first 55 machines my boss had me upgrade in one weekend. Glad I quit that place. -------------- Original message from NoOp : -------------- > On 03/03/2009 10:13 AM, k4rjj at bellsouth.net wrote: > > I just tried to introduce a co-worker to Ubuntu and I've never seen this > > problem. I starts through the install but end up several minutes later at a > > command line with a host of errors above. > > > > - bash: /dev/null: Permission denied > > I suppose it would be helpful if you explained in more detail just > exactly what you are installing, which CD/DVD, etc., etc. > > I have Ubuntu Hardy (8.04.2) running on my A21M/384MB RAM/20GB hard > drive. I used the alternate CD to perform the install. Note: I also had > Intrepid (8.10) on this machine, but it seemed that the machine got > slower & slower (no idea why), so I went back to Hardy. > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.comModify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 3 23:16:50 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:16:50 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090303171650.57e17b11@WizardsTower> "Karl F. Larsen" said: > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > Karl No, he's just tired of you using this mailing list as your personal computer blog. ITTBT, so am I. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From cl at isbd.net Tue Mar 3 23:17:33 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:17:33 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090303231733.GE15704@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:05:11PM -0500, Craig Huffstetler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Chris G wrote: > > ...I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. > > > Hello Chris, > > Two applications that seem to fit the bill for what you are looking for are > mtPaint or GNU Paint ("gpaint"). You can find more information about them on > their respective sites before installing them: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/gpaint/ > http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ > > I hope this helps. > Thanks, they both look very possible. -- Chris Green From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 23:18:57 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:18:57 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <1236121999.12367.476.camel@karl> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <1236121999.12367.476.camel@karl> Message-ID: <20090303171857.60d95a84@chris.makeworld.com> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:13:19 +1100 Karl Auer wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 16:04 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for > > >> it to work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan > > >> was. > > > > > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from > > him, they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > It was a joke. It was ill-advised, inappropriate to this forum and not > very funny, but it was a joke. > > For the record, everyone, do NOT replace your cooling fan with heat > grease. Very important tip. > > Maybe we should start an anti-FAQ, of things NOT to do, so that people > can be inoculated against the bad advice that keeps recurring... > > Regards, K. > (the OTHER Karl) > The OTHER Karl - Haha! Oh my. Some of this stuff you just can't make up! I love this list! -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 3 23:21:11 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADB6A9.5050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <354297.4542.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > From: Karl F. Larsen > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:00 PM > Dotan Cohen wrote: snipped because it's not relevant. > > > >> Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I > took off the heat > >> sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then > put a liberal amount on > >> the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. > Alas it does not > >> improve performance one bit :-) > >> > >> > > > > You need to put that grease on the outside of the > heatsink for it to > > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the > fan was. > > > > If I understand what you are saying, it's not correct. The heat sink grease goes between the heat sink and the video chip on the MB and not between the heat sink and fan. > Your the troll. I KNOW where to put the grease. It was > put there. It > has no useful effect. > Karl, I've just gone through the same thing on a new AMD 64 X2 machine that kept giving high temperature errors. I checked the heat sink grease and it was good so I took the new maching to the shop for repairs and it had a bad motherboard. But the only symptoms I had was the high temps. Everything else worked fine. You may have a bad video chip on board or bad driver, I don't know but don't see how visiting the google site would cause the problem. > My next trial was a new PCI-Ex video card which was > $50.00 at Best > Buy and it plugged in just fine and now I am using the > highest video > setting and zero problems. The heat sink on the card is 10 > times larger > than the one on the mother board. > > So I am happy with my old computer again. Nice small > box and a big > monitor. > snipped Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From cl at isbd.net Tue Mar 3 23:24:27 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:24:27 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090303232427.GF15704@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 05:14:51PM -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Chris G wrote: > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > > then print.  I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > > printing something. > > Couldn't you view it, hit printscreen and select just the area of the > photo you care about, then print the printscreen generated png? > I guess so - lets try..... Hmm, well printscreen didn't, so that wasn't much help. :-) -- Chris Green From lists at xdna.net Tue Mar 3 23:26:56 2009 From: lists at xdna.net (Cameron Hutchison) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:26:56 -0000 Subject: USB mounting automatically : users option? References: <7bef1f890903030330k6fb6b248nf556816a13d557b1@mail.gmail.com> <7bef1f890903030526n6217d404xf0ec20351238e885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5926.49adbcc0.392b8@getafix.xdna.net> "Alan E. Davis" writes: >Is it possible to ensure that the files on the device will be readable and >writable by the user who mounted the USB drive? If it is a FAT filesystem or other filesystem that does not store the user and group ID, then the user and group on the files must be chosen at mount time, and all files on the filesystem get those IDs. >I have done the following, and it may be working: > 4. in fstab: > ####USB BLUE > LABEL=BLUE /media/BLUE ext2 defaults,users,rw,auto 0 0 However, since you are using ext2, the user and group IDs are stored by the filesystem so there is no remapping of IDs when the volume is mounted. The only way around this is to synchronise the IDs on the different machines. You can get away with using a GID in common and ensuring that all the files use that group ID and have group rw[x] permissions. That way, your owners can be different but the files still fully accessible on each machine. You will probably want want to use set-gid directories and a umask of 00X (X is usually 2 or 7). This means the files you create are group writable (umask) and new files inherit the GID of the directory they are in (set-gid directories). From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 3 23:36:24 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:36:24 -0500 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49ADBEF8.10502@chrononomicon.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > What is more ridiculous? One email sent to the list in error, no matter > how it got there, or 30+ emails complaining about it? Are you new here? :-) Anyway, I still think the real stick stirring the pot was that the person screwed up sending the LinkedIn invite, then turned around and blamed the list for allowing them to screw up with the list...but then again, maybe it still would have caused controversy. From racerx at makeworld.com Tue Mar 3 23:42:57 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:42:57 -0600 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ADBEF8.10502@chrononomicon.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> <49ADBEF8.10502@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090303174257.3f340e07@chris.makeworld.com> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:36:24 -0500 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > What is more ridiculous? One email sent to the list in error, no > > matter how it got there, or 30+ emails complaining about it? > > Are you new here? :-) > > Anyway, I still think the real stick stirring the pot was that the > person screwed up sending the LinkedIn invite, then turned around and > blamed the list for allowing them to screw up with the list...but > then again, maybe it still would have caused controversy. > > ... this is EXACTLY the point. The willingness NOT except responsibility and divert the blame to another person/entity. Faces it, Bart - personal responsibility went out the windows years ago. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 4 00:05:24 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:05:24 -0600 Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <49ADB48E.3090407@dinamis.com> References: <669798156.816115.1235182917556.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn10.prod> <200903031442.14732.kassube@gmx.net> <49AD5816.9090906@dinamis.com> <200903031847.21232.kassube@gmx.net> <20090303115943.1bcd0ede@chris.makeworld.com> <49ADA802.3030905@dinamis.com> <20090303163535.79084a0c@WizardsTower> <49ADB48E.3090407@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20090303180524.463bba35@WizardsTower> CLIFFORD ILKAY said: > How likely > do you suppose it is that a professional networking organization that > counts amongst its members people like Steve Jobs, Guy Kawasaki, > Sergey Brin, and Seth Godin has to resort to spamming to get the word > out? (Hint: this is a rhetorical question.) Likely or not, rhetorical or not, it seems that they /do/, indeed, do just that very thing. The evidence is (OK, was) before your eyes if only you would see. Now, how likely is it that a person who dislikes off-topic messages will be driven to complain of others complaints? Considering your misunderstanding of what spam is, it seems quite likely! BTW, you didn't find me complaining /at all/ so why single me out? Just because I (correctly) corrected you? And, yes, it /is/ wonderful being able to use a dictionary. Perhaps /some other/ may benefit by learning the same craft. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 00:12:51 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:12:51 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat >> sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on >> the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. Alas it does not >> improve performance one bit :-) What you did was correct. Since there was no improvement, that proves that the heat sink was not faulty to begin with and looks like the device is doing a lot of work and heating up. >> > > You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. > and burn the device to cinders! But seriously, NB: Do NOT replace the fan in this situation. The heat link gel does between the heat sink and the device, as the OP did. That was correct. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From pegasus at sc.rr.com Wed Mar 4 00:16:09 2009 From: pegasus at sc.rr.com (Bill Wright) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:16:09 -0500 Subject: Cell Phone Dialer Message-ID: <49ADC849.7010806@sc.rr.com> I am running 8.04 LTS on a Dell XPS M1210 Laptop. I want to use my Blackbery Curve to connect to my Verizon EVDO network through the LT. What must I do to get this setup working? From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 00:22:11 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:22:11 -0800 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation In-Reply-To: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> References: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 09:37 AM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > This is just a general note to see if others have encountered similar > problems to myself with an Intrepid installation. > > On 3 different machines, 2 Intel and 1 AMD, I have been unable to > successfully sum-check CDs created from the downloaded ISO and also an > officially supplied CD from Canonical (both of them the 32 bit, i86 > variant). When you state that you are 'not able to successfuly sum -check (I assume you mean md5sum here) CDs', are you referring to the md5sum of the ISO file, or the CD itself? Do the ISO file(s) match the listed md5sums for the download? http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/MD5SUMS Note that the md5sum of the burned CD will not match those of the ISO. The symptoms involve a variable number - typically 7 - of disc > errors during the boot option of checking the CD for errors. Similar > errors are also reported if an installation is attempted. > > Needless to say all the CDs, both my own and Canonical's, verify > successfully against the ISO when checked with ImgBurn and Nero, > suggesting that the problem lies within the drivers used at start-up. So, the ISO md5sums do match. That only indicates that the ISO file is good. The issue seems to be that the burn is not correct as when you run the 'Check CD' it verifies the files on the CD against the md5sum.txt file on the CD. When you: > I get to the splash screen (past the language check where I successfully > choose English) and then select the "Check CD for defects". That > ultimately fails with "Check finished: errors found in 7 files!". The > errors seem to all fall into the class "[ nn.mmmmmm] end_request: I/O > error, dev sr0, sector xxxx > you can check the error files md5sum against that md5sum.txt to see if they are actually bad on the CD, or if a R/W I/O error is causing the problem. > For the record, I also had a similar problem with the 64 bit variant, > but I finally achieved a successful installation after I had burnt the > CD ISO onto a DVD-RW. This technique did *NOT* work for the 32 bit version. > > Anyone else encountered this issue? Anyone any thoughts? > > Peter HB > From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 00:33:33 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:33:33 +0700 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: > A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an > image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem > to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print.  I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. sudo apt-get install imagemagick It's a suite of image processing programs. To select part of an image you probably want convert so 'man convert' Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 00:54:54 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:54:54 -0800 Subject: Phone dialling application ? In-Reply-To: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> References: <49AD314E.4050008@tow.org.uk> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 05:31 AM, John French wrote: > Something which I miss with Linux is an application to dial my phone > calls. (OK, it's not really an Ubuntu question, but you are the most > helpful bunch of guys I know.) > > With my old Windows system, I had Lotus Organizer, and used it as an > address book. If I clicked on an entry, one more click would dial that > phone number, using the old hardware modem. This had the advantage of > dialling any length of number correctly - which I can't guarantee to > do! I have tried to run Organizer under Wine without success. (Maybe > a newer version would work.) Is there a Linux app which can do this, or > something similar ? > > John > > I used to use ACT! in the same manner years ago. IIRC all that program did was go out and use the built-in Win dialer for the phone calls, and you something like WinFax if you had it installed for fax. The first thing that I would do/recommend is to ensure that you can actually get your modem to break dialtone and dial using one of the repo supplied dialer packages. If you have a WinModem (as nearly every machine on the planet used to have & still does have one if you have a system/laptop modem) you'll need to get that working first. That in itself can be as painful as building windmill in the in the Mariana Trench... some seem to be supported and work fine, others won't work no matter what magic you build, compile, tweak, or install. Once you've verified that you have a working modem, then you can possibly experiment with Gnome-ppp or similar. BTW: there is a 'Wishlist' issue open to do just this with Evolution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/246085/ [Wishlist: Evolution dialer/logger] You might want to join in and add a vote for that. These links might be of interest: Note: some are outdated; for example OBM (which is in the repositories) is actually now http://obm.org/ (pretty cool CRM btw). Also check: http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/Software_Applications/index.html and of course check in Synaptics by searching on 'dialer', 'CRM' etc. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 01:13:19 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:13:19 +0200 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> >>> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to >>> work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. >> >> First, do no harm. >> > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling through! If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list post to remove a fan and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he should not have been opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. Darwin would agree. And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and some bad advice will have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu is a fine operating system on it's own merits, it does not have to be a sanctuary for teh h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be measured by how many Windows converts is attracts, no more than does Ubuntu's failure need to be measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for Windows. Even Mark Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about Windows' dominant market share, advises against converting people to Ubuntu. Have a good night, all, and don't forget: sticky air is what makes a computer run hot so get that air flowing by greasing the cooling fins. If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery enough, then try spraying some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard drives as well. You can always wash it away with water if it doesn't work. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 01:20:21 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:20:21 -0800 Subject: Install problem on Thinkpad A21M 2628 In-Reply-To: <030320092315.9882.49ADB9FE000A44600000269A22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> References: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> <030320092315.9882.49ADB9FE000A44600000269A22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 03:15 PM, k4rjj at bellsouth.net wrote: > Thanks! I'll try Hardy. My Intrepid CD has worked for every machine I've tried > except this Stinkpad. I've hated these boxes ever since I saw the first 55 > machines my boss had me upgrade in one weekend. Glad I quit that place. > Careful now... I've a T30 that is OK, but the T21 is a (actual) doorstop (blink-of-death issue), and my trusty old A21M just keeps on like an old Timex watch; takes a beat'n & keeps on tick'n. The only issue that I have on mine is that it is too expensive to replace the battery & add more memory. I have to add that my A21M has an LCD & diskdrive from a discarded Dell laptop, an mini-ethernet card from the doorstop T21, and stickers on the cover from when my kid was in grade-school (nearly 10 years now). Some folks laugh when I plonk the thing down and start plug it in (AC power) to fire it up... Most stop laughing (with their slow-mo virus infected machines) when they see it in action & I tell them that it's only an 800Mhz/384Mb machine. From racerx at makeworld.com Wed Mar 4 01:28:45 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:28:45 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090303192845.1f3734e0@chris.makeworld.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:13:19 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it > >>> to work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. > >> > >> First, do no harm. > >> > > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > > > I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling through! > > If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list post to remove a fan > and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he should not have been > opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. Darwin would agree. > > And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and some bad advice will > have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu is a fine operating > system on it's own merits, it does not have to be a sanctuary for teh > h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be measured by how many Windows > converts is attracts, no more than does Ubuntu's failure need to be > measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for Windows. Even Mark > Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about Windows' dominant > market share, advises against converting people to Ubuntu. > > Have a good night, all, and don't forget: sticky air is what makes a > computer run hot so get that air flowing by greasing the cooling fins. > If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery enough, then try spraying > some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard drives as well. You > can always wash it away with water if it doesn't work. > ... that's just cold! I like it! -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From kauer at biplane.com.au Wed Mar 4 01:31:47 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:31:47 +1100 Subject: Install problem on Thinkpad A21M 2628 In-Reply-To: References: <030320091813.26747.49AD7358000DF8C30000687B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> <030320092315.9882.49ADB9FE000A44600000269A22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF06069DCB05@att.net> Message-ID: <1236130307.12367.519.camel@karl> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 17:20 -0800, NoOp wrote: > Careful now... I've a T30 that is OK The T30's are one of the best laptops ever produced. Extremely robust. If they'd had anything NVidia video hardware, they'd have been very nearly perfect. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 4 01:36:10 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:36:10 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> Robert Parker wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: >> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an >> image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem >> to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. >> >> I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and >> then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for >> printing something. > > > sudo apt-get install imagemagick > > It's a suite of image processing programs. To select part of an image > you probably want convert so 'man convert' Yes, in particular look at the -crop option. Also, you can have convert output to postscript and pipe directly to a2ps or lpr for the actual print. Just don't use good paper while you're testing. :) Matt Flaschen From cemaaiem at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 01:55:47 2009 From: cemaaiem at yahoo.com (Cesar Augusto Suarez) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:55:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dreamweaver Equiv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <168815.68852.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> you can use dreamweaver in ubuntu, all you have to do is install wine-door and thats all ¡Sé el Bello 51 de People en Español! ¡Es tu oportunidad de Brillar! Sube tus fotos ya. http://www.51bello.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 02:02:03 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:02:03 -0500 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... Message-ID: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> Back to this again. A few months ago I posted a Q to this list about how to get CDs I rip named the way I want (TrackTitle--TrackArtist.mp3). If you recall, I was able to do it with grip. Now, I got a similar issue. I like how Rhythmbox works (so far) with my iPod, but the problem lies with when I copy music off of it. Rhytmbox give me only a few options as to filename, none of which I really like. So I went into gconf editor, browsed down to apps\rhythmbox. There I changed library_layout_filename to %tt--%ta. But when I re-open Rhythmbox and go into the prefs, the filename area is blank. Looking back in gconf, that key is changed on me... Grrr!!! Now, IIRC Rhythmbox is based on gstreamer, so I've been looking around in gconf for something under gstreamer. So far no luck. I'm guessing that the file name options listed in Rhythmbox (and Sound Juicer) are stored in a config file somewhere? Can someone point me in the right direction? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 02:04:40 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:04:40 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 05:36 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: >>> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an >>> image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem >>> to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. >>> >>> I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and >>> then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for >>> printing something. >> >> >> sudo apt-get install imagemagick >> >> It's a suite of image processing programs. To select part of an image >> you probably want convert so 'man convert' > > Yes, in particular look at the -crop option. Also, you can have convert > output to postscript and pipe directly to a2ps or lpr for the actual > print. Just don't use good paper while you're testing. :) > > Matt Flaschen > Or simply print to a cups-pdf printer for testing first.. Note that one might think that imagemagick is a standalone program that you just run, it's not. Info is here: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMagick While imagemagik is indeed probably one of the best _command line_ set of graphic programs out there, I doubt that it is what the OP is looking for: Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for printing something. None of which can be done with imagemagick by itself. gthumb is probably the simpilest, gimp is just fine, and I'd even recommend Google's Picasa 3 for linux: http://picasa.google.com/linux/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 02:15:21 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:15:21 -0300 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <20090303192845.1f3734e0@chris.makeworld.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <20090303192845.1f3734e0@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: > ... that's just cold! I like it! > > Chris > Want to have fun? Who needs sitcoms? Just subscribe Ubuntu-Users... :D :D :D L. From redhowlingwolves at nc.rr.com Wed Mar 4 02:24:43 2009 From: redhowlingwolves at nc.rr.com (scott) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:24:43 -0500 Subject: Cell Phone Dialer In-Reply-To: <49ADC849.7010806@sc.rr.com> References: <49ADC849.7010806@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <49ADE66B.3070604@nc.rr.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Wright wrote: > I am running 8.04 LTS on a Dell XPS M1210 Laptop. > I want to use my Blackbery Curve to connect to my Verizon EVDO network > through the LT. > > What must I do to get this setup working? > > > http://forums.crackberry.com/f134/blackberry-storm-tethering-ubuntu-linux-114019/ Might be what you're looking for. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmt5mMACgkQFQICCHwe04LyHQCgh+4Ie5VD/nF/SSkK2pujGt4k 0VsAn1ULB7JfvzUaTD9vxURMCooeTwcr =wgtX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 4 02:33:50 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:33:50 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <20090303192845.1f3734e0@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: <20090303213350.2961075b.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:15:21 -0300 Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > > ... that's just cold! I like it! > > > > Chris > > > > Want to have fun? Who needs sitcoms? Just subscribe Ubuntu-Users... :D :D :D No kidding, I propose a name change from ubuntu-users to alt.ubuntu.users.troll.troll.troll. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 02:42:56 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:42:56 -0800 Subject: [OT - Cox.net] Re: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 12:12 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, NoOp wrote: > >> On 03/02/2009 07:39 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > ............snip............ > >>> The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. >>> >> >> Email Server News Server >> POP Server: pop.west.cox.net >> SMTP Server: smtp.west.cox.net >> news.west.cox.net > > Uhm....if I wasn't aware of this I wouldn't be able to send/receive mail > to/from this list. Depends - you may have been posting from a gmane.org server rather than an email account. > >> >> But if you are having problems with their news/mail, why not just use >> them as a transport and set up news/mail with a 3rd party? For instance, >> you can still get e-mail accounts via Sonic if you wish: >> http://www.sonic.net/sales/hosting/ and there are many others (less >> expensive). I'm sure that as a previous customer of Sonic that Dane >> Jasper & crew would be happy to work with you. > > I kept my sonic account alive when I went to Cox. I have already tried > posting thru their news server (news.sonic.net) but had the same problem > with posts to moderated groups not showing up. I even got a Giganews > account to try. Still no joy. The only common denominator in all this is > that my mail to the various news servers is going thru Cox's SMTP server. > Why that would contribute to the problem is beyond me but going thru a > dialup modem would bypass Cox and confirm whether or not their SMTP > server is at fault. What have I missed? The cox.net groups? Is it just news or *both* email and news that you are having issue with? Either way, it appears that it's not an Ubuntu issue so I'll drop out of the [OT - Cox.net] subthread and let you get back to connecting both dial and cable. My apologies for the interuption. From p.echols at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 02:43:55 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:43:55 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> On 03/03/2009 04:33 PM, Robert Parker wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: > >> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an >> image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications I seem >> to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. >> >> I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and >> then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for >> printing something. >> > > > sudo apt-get install imagemagick > Imagemagick is a great set of tools, but not what OP is asking for. And having explored the "Convert" command a bit, I can say it would be easier for OP to fire up GIMP to do what he wants. convert would be great if you wanted to clip As I understand it, the idea is to be looking at an image, select some arbitrary part of the image with a mouse, click "Print" and having the option to print the entire image or just the selection. GThumb was mentioned but, at least in my implementation requires that you save the cropped file then open it. Otherwise the print command prints the entire image. F-Spot photo viewer will allow this, but it automatically saves a "modified" version of the file (it does not overwrite the original) From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 4 03:20:30 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:20:30 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> NoOp wrote: > Or simply print to a cups-pdf printer for testing first.. That works. > Note that one might think that imagemagick is a standalone program that > you just run, it's not. Info is here: > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMagick It's multiple stand-alone programs. > While imagemagik is indeed probably one of the best _command line_ set > of graphic programs out there, I doubt that it is what the OP is looking > for: If you read the OP, he emphasized simple and quick, for a limited task. You can't beat ImageMagick for that. > Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. > > > None of which can be done with imagemagick by itself. What? It sounds like you're severely underestimating IM. Assuming you want the GUI, do: display myimage.png Click the image Click Transform, then Crop. Select the marquee you want. Click Crop. Click File-Print. > gthumb is probably the simpilest I think you'll find IM is simpler. is just fine, and I'd even > recommend Google's Picasa 3 for linux: I can't think of much less simple, except perhaps GIMP or Adobe Photoshop CS4 Extended. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 4 03:22:16 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:22:16 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> Patton Echols wrote: > Imagemagick is a great set of tools, but not what OP is asking for. I disagree. IM can do what he wants with or without a GUI. And > having explored the "Convert" command a bit, I can say it would be > easier for OP to fire up GIMP to do what he wants. Convert is /not/ the only way IM can do this. > As I understand it, the idea is to be > looking at an image, select some arbitrary part of the image with a > mouse, click "Print" and having the option to print the entire image or > just the selection. Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full steps in another email. People, don't knock things before you've tried them. Matt Flaschen From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 4 03:23:14 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:23:14 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <20090303213350.2961075b.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <20090303192845.1f3734e0@chris.makeworld.com> <20090303213350.2961075b.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49ADF422.1020102@chrononomicon.com> David Curtis wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:15:21 -0300 > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > >>> ... that's just cold! I like it! >>> >>> Chris >>> >> Want to have fun? Who needs sitcoms? Just subscribe Ubuntu-Users... :D :D :D > > > No kidding, I propose a name change from ubuntu-users to alt.ubuntu.users.troll.troll.troll. That wouldn't happen until we have Hardy Harry or Plucky Potter released. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Mar 4 03:30:18 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:30:18 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <880dece00903031452s672d134bxd3d50dee36092a36@mail.gmail.com> <20090303165733.70f8abe6@WizardsTower> <49ADB78B.2040604@gmail.com> <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090303203018.38b7785b@teamcharliesangels.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:13:19 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it > >>> to work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. > >> > >> First, do no harm. > >> > > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > > > I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling through! > > If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list post to remove a fan > and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he should not have been > opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. Darwin would agree. > > And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and some bad advice will > have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu is a fine operating > system on it's own merits, it does not have to be a sanctuary for teh > h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be measured by how many Windows > converts is attracts, no more than does Ubuntu's failure need to be > measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for Windows. Even Mark > Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about Windows' dominant > market share, advises against converting people to Ubuntu. > > Have a good night, all, and don't forget: sticky air is what makes a > computer run hot so get that air flowing by greasing the cooling fins. > If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery enough, then try spraying > some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard drives as well. You > can always wash it away with water if it doesn't work. > Why didn't I think of that? Thanks, I needed that, too. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 03:40:50 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:40:50 -0200 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files In-Reply-To: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > root at host:/data1/ECHAM_data# ls -l eovalle/ eovalle/Andres/ > eovalle/: > total 15380 > drwxr--r--  5 echam fileshare     4096 2009-02-27 11:10 Andres > drwxr--r-- 22 echam fileshare     4096 2009-02-27 10:55 Biblioteca Only the user echam (and root) can list files inside Andres and Biblioteca. > smb: \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\> ls > NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE listing \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\* What user did you used in that connection? From p.echols at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 03:50:31 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:50:31 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49ADFA87.9050900@comcast.net> On 03/03/2009 05:36 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: > >> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an > >> image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications > >> I seem to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. > >> > >> I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee > >> and then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT > >> just for printing something. > > > > sudo apt-get install imagemagick > > > > It's a suite of image processing programs. To select part of an > > image you probably want convert so 'man convert' > > Yes, in particular look at the -crop option. Certainly, but the command would be something like this: convert rose.gif -crop 40x30+10+10 +repage name.gif where "rose.gif" is the original image, "40x30" is the pixels size to be cropped, +10+10 is the offset telling the command the offset in the image to position the crop +repage is so that the command reduces the "canvas" to the cropped size and "name.gif" is the name of the resulting image > Also, you can have convert output to postscript and pipe directly to > a2ps or lpr for the actual print. Yup, and the command above would be modified to do that. (Sorry, I don't know how to pipe to a printer) But what OP would need to know the dimensions of the original image, the dimensions of the crop and the dimensions of the offset. Pretty sure that is not what was asked for. > Just don't use good paper while > you're testing. :) True, before you send to print, you can see the result with "display" which is also part of the IM suite like this: convert rose.gif -crop 40x30+10+10 +repage - | display - (hint - "q" to quit the display window, right click for options) Cheers, Patton From p.echols at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 04:00:08 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:00:08 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> On 03/03/2009 07:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full > steps in another email. > Oops, my bad. And here I sent another reply. I wish I had seen this and your other post for mouthing off . . . Again! As you'll see in my other reply, I was aware of display, but did not realize it would do all of that. I had looked at the man page, but understood the options to be command line, not what could be done while looking at an image. Very interesting. Thanks for the pointer Patton From holtzm at cox.net Wed Mar 4 05:20:35 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:20:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OT - Cox.net] Re: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, NoOp wrote: .............snip............ > The cox.net groups? Is it just news or *both* email and news that you > are having issue with? > Either way, it appears that it's not an Ubuntu issue so I'll drop out > of the [OT - Cox.net] subthread and let you get back to connecting both > dial and cable. My apologies for the interuption. For the record: the problem is having posts to moderated groups never show up. -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" From carlf at photocarl.org Wed Mar 4 05:25:26 2009 From: carlf at photocarl.org (Carl Flippin) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:25:26 -0800 Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> (overflow's message of "Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:55:04 -0800 (PST)") References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87r61dg8qh.fsf@photocarl.org> pthread_create is defined in libpthread.so. In the case of ubuntu, at least, that library is included as part of libc6. I think you would have good luck looking and the glibc source code. -- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ |Carl Flippin | If debugging is the process of removing | |carlf at photocarl.org | software bugs, programming must be the | |http://photocarl.org | process of putting them in. | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 05:53:46 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> snip > > > > I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling through! > > If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list post to > remove a fan > and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he should not > have been > opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. Darwin > would agree. > > And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and some bad > advice will > have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu is a fine > operating > system on it's own merits, it does not have to be a > sanctuary for teh > h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be measured by > how many Windows > converts is attracts, no more than does Ubuntu's > failure need to be > measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for Windows. Even > Mark > Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about > Windows' dominant > market share, advises against converting people to Ubuntu. > > Have a good night, all, and don't forget: sticky air is > what makes a > computer run hot so get that air flowing by greasing the > cooling fins. > If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery enough, then > try spraying > some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard drives > as well. You > can always wash it away with water if it doesn't work. > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not appropriate for list mail. I too read Karl's post and did not take any offense at what he said. If anyone should leave the list I think it should be you two. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From stephen_o at rogers.com Wed Mar 4 06:35:57 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:35:57 -0500 Subject: I'm having audio problems. Message-ID: <49AE214D.4050200@rogers.com> Hello everyone. I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on an intel dual core em64t computer. I have a p5ql pro mother board by ASUS Can anyone send me a link or tell me how I can find better drivers to use in ubuntu 8.10. Thanks in advance; Stephen Oulton. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 06:43:01 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:43:01 -0300 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not appropriate for list mail. > I too read Karl's post and did not take any offense at what he said.  If anyone should leave the list I think it should be you two. > Leonard Chatagnier "Cría cuervos, y te sacarán los ojos" From raju.vcr at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 06:47:31 2009 From: raju.vcr at gmail.com (V.C.Raju) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:17:31 +0530 Subject: REg- Ubuntu 8.04 Lts ser GUi suuport............ Message-ID: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> Hi i m installing ubuntu 8.04 LTS server . i m not able to graphical mode, this version supporting gui mode or not,pls help me as soon as possible. -- Warm Regards V.C.Raju -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Wed Mar 4 06:56:00 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:56:00 +0300 Subject: REg- Ubuntu 8.04 Lts ser GUi suuport............ In-Reply-To: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> References: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AE2600.9080706@lab.vectoris.fr> V.C.Raju wrote: > Hi > i m installing ubuntu 8.04 LTS server . i m not able to graphical mode, > this version supporting gui mode or not,pls help me as soon as possible. You know,... seeing the effort you make to write your query, I am going to make the equivalent effort to help you. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 07:05:41 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:05:41 -0300 Subject: REg- Ubuntu 8.04 Lts ser GUi suuport............ In-Reply-To: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> References: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:47 AM, V.C.Raju wrote: > Hi >   i m installing  ubuntu 8.04 LTS server . i m not able to graphical mode, > this version supporting gui  mode or not,pls  help me as soon as possible. There's no graphical interface for Ubuntu Server. If you want a graphic environment please install Ubuntu Desktop instead of the server edition. Providing you have already a server installed, and want to keep it you may: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop from the terminal, to install a Gnome graphic environment. L. From madduck at madduck.net Wed Mar 4 07:07:00 2009 From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:07:00 +0100 Subject: linux software raid In-Reply-To: References: <20090303215436.GA8815@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> Message-ID: <20090304070700.GA20275@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> also sprach Asif Iqbal [2009.03.03.2329 +0100]: > looks like I am facing the same bug > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/126499 Okay. This is an Ubuntu-only problem outside of my control. Hope it gets fixed soon. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ "the worst part of being old is remembering when you was young." -- alvin straight (the straight story) spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The "git" group with GID 1111 is working ok, but I am not sure how to ensure than other users are writing files only with group write permissions set. Is this what a sticky bit is? On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Cameron Hutchison wrote: > "Alan E. Davis" writes: > > > 4. in fstab: > > ####USB BLUE > > LABEL=BLUE /media/BLUE ext2 defaults,users,rw,auto 0 0 > I am sorry to say that this experiment failed. On this Intrepid Ibex Ubuntu system, when I explicitly created a mount point /media/BLUE and included this line in /etc/fstab, that partition (BLUE) ends up being mounted twice. I am told to use "user" instead of "users". I don't know how to set that up for automounting. WHen I include that line in /etc/fstab but /media/BLUE isn't present, plugging in the USB drive throws an error. > since you are using ext2, the user and group IDs are stored by > the filesystem so there is no remapping of IDs when the volume is > mounted. Aha! > > > The only way around this is to synchronise the IDs on the different > machines. You can get away with using a GID in common and ensuring that > all the files use that group ID and have group rw[x] permissions. This is an opportunity to learn to control the permissions. > > > You will probably want want to use set-gid directories and a umask of > 00X (X is usually 2 or 7). This means the files you create are group > writable (umask) and new files inherit the GID of the directory they are > in (set-gid directories). This is the big question, then: how can I set a set-gid directory? Google time. In a couple of hours I can shuffle around users on the system. Easier if it's automatic. Thank you, very much. Alan -- Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. 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I want to install linuxbox as a router having two WAN's and a single LAN for Internet sharing. after that I would like to install Squid for caching and content filtering. what will be the best options for doing such type of setup -- Regards Kapil singh Kushwah Linux System Administrator Hotwax Media Inc., Indore 09907514840 www.hotwaxmedia.com From gmane at auxbuss.com Wed Mar 4 07:23:45 2009 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:23:45 +0100 Subject: Dreamweaver Equiv References: <168815.68852.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cesar Augusto Suarez said... > > --===============8057532360199638928== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-916542725-1236131747=:68852" > > > --0-916542725-1236131747=:68852 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > =0A you can use dreamweaver in ubuntu, all you have to do is install wine-= > door and thats all=0A=0A=0A=0A =A1S=E9 el Bello 51 de People en Espa= > =F1ol! =A1Es tu oportunidad de Brillar! 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=A1Es tu oportunid= > ad de Brillar! br>Sube tus fotos ya http://www.51bello.com/ html> > --0-916542725-1236131747=:68852-- > > > --===============8057532360199638928== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline Ah, someone posting with Dreamweaver! -- Cheers, Marc From markir at paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 4 07:54:01 2009 From: markir at paradise.net.nz (Mark Kirkwood) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:54:01 +1300 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AE3399.9080304@paradise.net.nz> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have to keep my Ubuntu set for Zero Appearance effects. If I set > it to normal my system works pretty good until I use Google. It has so > many color effects it heats up the video chip and my screen displays a > funny cross-hatch pattern and it kills the keyboard and mouse. > > Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat > sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on > the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. Alas it does not > improve performance one bit :-) > > > Going against the trend on this one, I'm gonna try to provide helpful advice :-)... Karl, from what you wrote it sounds like you renewed the grease on your video card heat sink, right? Maybe do your cpu one as well (tho check the sort of grease is suitable for both), and blow the dust off the heatsink before reinstalling. A word on what to do after you are all "re-greased" as it were - some types of thermal paste need several heat up/cool down cycles before they work at their rated heat conducting level, so if you normally leave your machine on overnight - turn it off in the evening for a week or so to let it cool down overnight. I use Arctic Silver thermal paste on my machines, after the procedure described above I can switch my (single) case fan to silent mode, run the video card (Radeon 9600 pro) with a Zalman fanless heatsink and have no heat problems (it is summer where I live in New Zealand). The cpu is an AMD64X2 3800+. Cheers Mark From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 4 08:14:21 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: how to check Message-ID: <57547.11042.qm@web23604.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear all ,          if we install any software using apt-get command then i want to know the location where the software package file store and execute. how to Disable and enable any  services in runlevel 1,2 ,3. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 08:22:20 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:22:20 +0700 Subject: Dreamweaver Equiv In-Reply-To: References: <168815.68852.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903040022o16019d5dg3cc4ce0744fdbc3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM, marc wrote: > > Ah, someone posting with Dreamweaver! That's the kind of thing they do - hence Pipe Dream Weaver. Bob -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 4 08:25:46 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:25:46 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > snip >> I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling through! >> >> If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list post to >> remove a fan >> and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he should not >> have been >> opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. Darwin >> would agree. >> >> And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and some bad >> advice will >> have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu is a fine >> operating >> system on it's own merits, it does not have to be a >> sanctuary for teh >> h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be measured by >> how many Windows >> converts is attracts, no more than does Ubuntu's >> failure need to be >> measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for Windows. Even >> Mark >> Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about >> Windows' dominant >> market share, advises against converting people to Ubuntu. >> >> Have a good night, all, and don't forget: sticky air is >> what makes a >> computer run hot so get that air flowing by greasing the >> cooling fins. >> If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery enough, then >> try spraying >> some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard drives >> as well. You >> can always wash it away with water if it doesn't work. >> > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not appropriate for list mail. > I too read Karl's post and did not take any offense at what he said. If anyone should leave the list I think it should be you two. > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > Apparently it could make sense to establish a certain degree of humour as a base requirement for posting to the list. Eberhard From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 4 08:20:35 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:20:35 +0100 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903040920.35783.kassube@gmx.net> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Nils Kassube wrote: > > In your file there is an admin group but the GID is 1004 > > while it should > > be 111. I suppose it will only work as the real admin group > > if you > > assign it the correct GID because some/most/all (?) > > programs use the > > GID instead of the group name. > > FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my > /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm has a GID of 4. Good point. The system GIDs are really not always the same. A Kubuntu 6.06.1 LiveCD has GID 111 for admin like this machine which was upgraded from 6.06 to 8.04. Another Hardy machine has 112 (don't know from which version it was upgraded). A Xubuntu Hardy alpha? LiveCD has 114 and a Jaunty machine has 120 (all 32 bit). So I think the initially installed version is important to find out the association between particular groups and their GIDs. Nils From lngndvs at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 08:31:02 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:31:02 +1000 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200903030752.00678.kassube@gmx.net> <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7bef1f890903040031v44eeb681p54ea3bb8e4636319@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my > /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm has a GID of 4. I > wouldn't expect these GIDs to change between versions BIDK. If the OP is > interested send me an email off-list and I'll be glad to send you my > /etc/group and /etc/group~ file so that you may try to correct your problem > without reinstalling. My system is also working fine. HTH. I also have an > Hardy installation in case the OP is not using Intrepid. > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thank you kindly. 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URL: From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 09:34:15 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:04:15 +0530 Subject: How to add "New Terminal" link in the Menu that comes when we right click on Desktop Message-ID: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> How can I add few more items in the Menu that comes when we Right Click on the Desktop in Ubuntu 8.04. The available options Create Folder, Create Launcher .... , Create Document, Clean Up by Name, Keep Aligned, Paste. Suppose I want to add a new Item say "New Terminal" and this will open a new terminal. How can I do this ? Thanks in advance. -- Ashish From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:01:22 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT References: <1236026755.8968.183.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:45:55 -0700, Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:22 +0000, Thufir wrote: >> Originally posted to tomcat: >> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user/178881 >> >> >> All too often I find myself waiting for this: >> >> thufir at arrakis:~$ >> thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 tcp 0 0 >> 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* LISTEN >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:36471 TIME_WAIT >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36466 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36467 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36469 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36470 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:36468 127.0.0.1:8080 TIME_WAIT >> thufir at arrakis:~$ >> >> >> to change to this: >> >> thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 tcp 0 0 >> 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN >> tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 :::* LISTEN > > TIME_WAIT should not cause a delay in connecting to the listening port. > A TCP connection in that state is waiting an engineered time period to > release the connection, so the connection address does not get reused > and end up receiving packets from the previous connection. There must > be something else going on with your Tomcat configuration. Now I'm getting: thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ netstat -tan | grep 127 tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:48070 127.0.0.1:8080 ESTABLISHED tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8006 :::* LISTEN tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48066 CLOSE_WAIT tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:33316 CLOSE_WAIT tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48070 ESTABLISHED tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48067 CLOSE_WAIT tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:52471 CLOSE_WAIT thufir at arrakis:~$ I don't think that it's tomcat per se. I think it's netbeans weirdness, or something to do with my webapp. However, is there some way clear that out, in any event, so that the ports are free? It's quite a hassle. I'm going to have to reboot for port 8080 being in use, I think. I can't get into tomcat manager and the netbeans deployment fails. -Thufir From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:03:33 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT References: <1236026755.8968.183.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: Also: thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ ping localhost 8080 PING 8080 (0.0.31.144) 56(124) bytes of data. ^C --- 8080 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4018ms thufir at arrakis:~$ which just confirms what netstat is saying :( -Thufir From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Wed Mar 4 10:28:16 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:28:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > printing something. In addition to the tools proposed in the different replies, there are 2 other solutions: 1/ xmag / import to a .ps file / print (the advantage is that that you can select the desired region with the mouse, which is easier that giving th offset in the command line) 2/ xv: among many other things, it has crop and print. -- Pierre Frenkiel From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 4 10:30:11 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:30:11 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:20:30PM -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > NoOp wrote: > > Or simply print to a cups-pdf printer for testing first.. > > That works. > > > Note that one might think that imagemagick is a standalone program that > > you just run, it's not. Info is here: > > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMagick > > It's multiple stand-alone programs. > > > While imagemagik is indeed probably one of the best _command line_ set > > of graphic programs out there, I doubt that it is what the OP is looking > > for: > > If you read the OP, he emphasized simple and quick, for a limited task. > You can't beat ImageMagick for that. > > > Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? > > > > I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee and > > then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT just for > > printing something. > > > > > > None of which can be done with imagemagick by itself. > > What? It sounds like you're severely underestimating IM. Assuming you > want the GUI, do: > > display myimage.png > > Click the image > > Click Transform, then Crop. > > Select the marquee you want. > > Click Crop. > > Click File-Print. > Quite simple, yes, but unfortunately fails completely in doing what I want. Having selected the section of the image that I want to print, which I did quite easily thanks to your instructions, when I printed it the result was a *tiny* image in the corner of my A4 sheet of paper. I want the section I have selected to print scaled up to fill the A4 sheet. > > gthumb is probably the simpilest > > I think you'll find IM is simpler. > IM is ideal, especially as it's already installed. But I need to know how to print the image to fit an A4 sheet. -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 4 10:31:26 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:31:26 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADFA87.9050900@comcast.net> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADFA87.9050900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090304103126.GC17165@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 07:50:31PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > On 03/03/2009 05:36 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > Robert Parker wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Chris G wrote: > > >> A couple of times recently I have wanted to print just part of an > > >> image (.jpg) and, as far as I can see, none of the applications > > >> I seem to have installed on my xubuntu lets me do this. > > >> > > >> I just want to view the image, select a bit of it with a marquee > > >> and then print. I guess the Gimp will do it but it's a bit OTT > > >> just for printing something. > > > > > > sudo apt-get install imagemagick > > > > > > It's a suite of image processing programs. To select part of an > > > image you probably want convert so 'man convert' > > > > Yes, in particular look at the -crop option. > > Certainly, but the command would be something like this: > > convert rose.gif -crop 40x30+10+10 +repage name.gif > > where "rose.gif" is the original image, "40x30" is the pixels size to be > cropped, +10+10 is the offset telling the command the offset in the > image to position the crop +repage is so that the command reduces the > "canvas" to the cropped size and "name.gif" is the name of the resulting > image > > > Also, you can have convert output to postscript and pipe directly to > > a2ps or lpr for the actual print. > > Yup, and the command above would be modified to do that. (Sorry, I don't > know how to pipe to a printer) But what OP would need to know the > dimensions of the original image, the dimensions of the crop and the > dimensions of the offset. Pretty sure that is not what was asked for. > > > Just don't use good paper while > > you're testing. :) > > True, before you send to print, you can see the result with "display" > which is also part of the IM suite like this: > > convert rose.gif -crop 40x30+10+10 +repage - | display - > > (hint - "q" to quit the display window, right click for options) > All very well but none of this addresses the basic issue, having selected the bit I want to print I want it to *fill* the A4 sheet of paper. -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 4 10:34:35 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:35 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090304103435.GD17165@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:00:08PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > On 03/03/2009 07:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full > > steps in another email. > > > > Oops, my bad. And here I sent another reply. I wish I had seen this > and your other post for mouthing off . . . Again! > > As you'll see in my other reply, I was aware of display, but did not > realize it would do all of that. I had looked at the man page, but > understood the options to be command line, not what could be done while > looking at an image. Very interesting. > > Thanks for the pointer > ... but, as I said, it doesn't do what I want. I can very easily select the part of the image I want and have it displayed in the ImageMagick window but I can't then get it to fill and A4 sheet when printed. ImageMagick's display utility is almost exactly what I want except for the printing bit. -- Chris Green From kapil.network at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 10:47:04 2009 From: kapil.network at gmail.com (kapil singh kushwah) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:17:04 +0530 Subject: How to add "New Terminal" link in the Menu that comes when we right click on Desktop In-Reply-To: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Ashish, you can do it by installing Nautilus Actions configuration utility. sudo apt-get install nautilus-actions after installation . Navigate to your System > Preferences > Nautilus Actions Configuration Now from here you can add the applications and appropriate icons for that name and do the proper setting in condition and advanced condition. -- Regards Kapil singh Kushwah Linux System Administrator Hotwax Media Inc., Indore 09907514840 www.hotwaxmedia.com From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:11:08 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:41:08 +0530 Subject: How to add "New Terminal" link in the Menu that comes when we right click on Desktop In-Reply-To: References: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c3933e40903040311w200176abs87575eb453437750@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kapil for your expert comments. How can I remove the existing options from that Menu ? I am sure there might be some configuration settings for this and will be more then happy to see early comments from some other experts. -- Ashish On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM, kapil singh kushwah wrote: > Hello Ashish, > > you can do it by installing Nautilus Actions configuration utility. > > sudo apt-get install nautilus-actions > > after installation . Navigate to your System > Preferences > Nautilus > Actions Configuration > > Now from here you can add the applications and appropriate icons for > that name and > do the proper setting in condition and advanced condition. > > -- > Regards > Kapil singh Kushwah > Linux System Administrator > Hotwax Media Inc., Indore > 09907514840 > www.hotwaxmedia.com > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:19:37 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:19:37 -0200 Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT In-Reply-To: References: <1236026755.8968.183.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903040319i6eaaea75x78611843468e4aab@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Thufir wrote: > Also: > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ping localhost 8080 well... obviously. ping, pings hosts, not ports :-) > which just confirms what netstat is saying :( it doesn't confirms anything. is this a server machine? are trying to connect to the tomcat admin from that machine, or from another? From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:26:45 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: cannot kill process Message-ID: referencing: http://java-monitor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22 I can't seem to kill process 5099, java: thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep 8080 tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 5099/java tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48066 CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:33316 CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48070 CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48067 CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:52471 CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ kill -9 5099 bash: kill: (5099) - Operation not permitted thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ kill 5099 bash: kill: (5099) - Operation not permitted thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ ps | grep java thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep java 5099 ? 00:06:03 java thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ cat /usr/local/tomcat/logs/catalina.out | grep BindException | tail java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 thufir at arrakis:~$ Is there something else which I should be doing? thanks, Thufir From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:38:19 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:38:19 -0200 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903040338p666bb3a0t61fdfbda7a708dcd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Thufir wrote: > Is there something else which I should be doing? you can't kill other users processes (unless you're root ;-) ) From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:41:24 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:41:24 -0200 Subject: tomcat port annoyance: TIME_WAIT In-Reply-To: References: <1236026755.8968.183.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903040341x1669608ejc8812e4d773a9b7@mail.gmail.com> Hello Thufir, can you refresh my mind? What version of Ubuntu do you have (gutsy/hardy/intrepid)? 32? 64? What version of tomcat? java? Thanks, Norberto From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Wed Mar 4 11:45:55 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:45:55 +0100 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AE69F3.2010809@neuroweave.nl> Thufir wrote: > referencing: > http://java-monitor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22 > > I can't seem to kill process 5099, java: > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo netstat -anp | grep 8080 > tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* > LISTEN 5099/java > tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48066 > CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java > tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:33316 > CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java > tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48070 > CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:48067 > CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java > tcp6 1 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:52471 > CLOSE_WAIT 5099/java > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ kill -9 5099 > bash: kill: (5099) - Operation not permitted > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ kill 5099 > bash: kill: (5099) - Operation not permitted > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps | grep java > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep java > 5099 ? 00:06:03 java > thufir at arrakis:~$ > > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ cat /usr/local/tomcat/logs/catalina.out | grep > BindException | tail > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler > start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler > start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > LifecycleException: service.getName(): "Catalina"; Protocol handler > start failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8080 > thufir at arrakis:~$ > > > Is there something else which I should be doing? > > > > > thanks, > > Thufir > > sudo kill process. Joep From kapil.network at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 11:51:00 2009 From: kapil.network at gmail.com (kapil singh kushwah) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:21:00 +0530 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, You do not have enough privileges for doing that and you are not a process owner . to kill the process you can use : sudo kill -9 5099 In case you are not a sudo user then : run this command on your gnome-terminal : su - (it will be prompted for password. enter root password here. ) now you become a root. then run, kill -9 5099 -- Regards Kapil singh Kushwah Linux System Administrator Hotwax Media Inc., Indore 09907514840 www.hotwaxmedia.com From overflow_ at libero.it Wed Mar 4 12:56:49 2009 From: overflow_ at libero.it (overflow_) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:56:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <22329484.post@talk.nabble.com> overflow_ wrote: > > Hello to everybody. > > I would like to know > > 1) How is implemented the method pthread_create() in Linux? I mean, does > it use a call to the clone() function or to fork()? > > 2) where is the implementation of pthread_create()? I know it's declared > in thread.h, but where its implementation is located? > > Thank you very much > Hello, Thanks for the help, I think I got it, even if I have still something not completely clear. - The implementation of pthread_create is in the glibc in the file .../nptl/pthread_create.c Here there is this code libe > compat_symbol (libpthread, __pthread_create_2_0, pthread_create, > GLIBC_2_0); > I think this just convert the pthread_create declaration in function __pthread_create_2_0. I am not sure for it, and if what I have said is wrong please tell me. I didn't find any documentation. - the function La funzione __pthread_create_2_0 initialize some field of attr concerning the scheduling and then call __pthread_create_2_1 - the function __pthread_create_2_1 sets some field in the pthread pointer and then calls create_thread - create_thread is implemented in the file .../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/createthread.c and it sets the flag of the clone function in order to create a lightweight process. int clone_flags = (CLONE_VM | CLONE_FS | CLONE_FILES | CLONE_SIGNAL | CLONE_SETTLS | CLONE_PARENT_SETTID | CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID | CLONE_SYSVSEM | CLONE_DETACHED ) and then call do_clone after the call if fills the fields of the structure with the correct data. - in the do_clone function there ISN'T ANY CALL TO the clone function!!!!!!! there is just a INTERNAL_SYSCALL call. it uses just a macro ARCH_CLONE, that call the function __clone, but I dind't find where is it implemented I think its implementation changes with the hardware, but I didn't find where is it! Is there someone that know it? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-POSIX--implementation-of-pthread_create%28%29-tp22275000p22329484.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Wed Mar 4 13:08:00 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:08:00 -0300 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> Thanks for your reply Norberto, but... Norberto Bensa escribió: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > >> root at host:/data1/ECHAM_data# ls -l eovalle/ eovalle/Andres/ >> eovalle/: >> total 15380 >> drwxr--r-- 5 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 11:10 Andres >> drwxr--r-- 22 echam fileshare 4096 2009-02-27 10:55 Biblioteca >> > > Only the user echam (and root) can list files inside Andres and Biblioteca. > > And anyone?? (the last 'r') >> smb: \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\> ls >> NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE listing \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\* >> > > What user did you used in that connection? > > As guest, because in my share configuration it's guest allowed. The weird thing is that for the files in eovalle, that have the same permissions as the folders in eovalle\Andres, y can see/edit the files in eovalle, but I can't even list the files/folders inside eovalle\Andres. I still keep thinking it's a bug. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:11:10 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:11:10 -0800 Subject: how to check References: <57547.11042.qm@web23604.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:14:21 +0000, jiten jha wrote: > Dear all , >          if we install any software using apt-get command then i > want to know the location where the software package file store and > execute. > If I understand you correctly, you want the location of the executable binary after the package has been installed. In a terminal enter, which *package name*. For a specific piece of software, I'll give the example of firefox: thorny at Cassandra:~$ which firefox /usr/bin/firefox Linux Filesystem Hierarchy http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:22:09 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:22:09 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <49AE3399.9080304@paradise.net.nz> References: <49ADA080.2050300@gmail.com> <49AE3399.9080304@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <49AE8081.7050007@gmail.com> Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> I have to keep my Ubuntu set for Zero Appearance effects. If I set >> it to normal my system works pretty good until I use Google. It has so >> many color effects it heats up the video chip and my screen displays a >> funny cross-hatch pattern and it kills the keyboard and mouse. >> >> Today I bought a tube of high temp grease and I took off the heat >> sink and cleaned it all up with alcohol and then put a liberal amount on >> the top of the chip and put the heat sink back on. Alas it does not >> improve performance one bit :-) >> >> >> >> > Going against the trend on this one, I'm gonna try to provide helpful > advice :-)... > > Karl, from what you wrote it sounds like you renewed the grease on your > video card heat sink, right? Maybe do your cpu one as well (tho check > the sort of grease is suitable for both), and blow the dust off the > heatsink before reinstalling. A word on what to do after you are all > "re-greased" as it were - some types of thermal paste need several heat > up/cool down cycles before they work at their rated heat conducting > level, so if you normally leave your machine on overnight - turn it off > in the evening for a week or so to let it cool down overnight. > > I use Arctic Silver thermal paste on my machines, after the procedure > described above I can switch my (single) case fan to silent mode, run > the video card (Radeon 9600 pro) with a Zalman fanless heatsink and have > no heat problems (it is summer where I live in New Zealand). The cpu is > an AMD64X2 3800+. > > Cheers > > Mark > > Hi Mark the grease I used was made by DYNEX and was hard to find. Not sold in the typical computer section of a store. I did also buy a PCI-Ex board that has a 7200 nVidia chip and it has a GIANT heat sink! The entire card is covered by it. I installed it and hooked the monitor to the old VGA output (it has 2 other output plugs). It came up working and I switched to high visual effects and it has been running for 8 hours now and is working fine. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cemaaiem at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 13:36:39 2009 From: cemaaiem at yahoo.com (Cesar Augusto Suarez) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:36:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: problem sendig fax Message-ID: <874445.90465.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> i have an Intel 536 internal modem. until yesterday, i was sending faxes ok. but today i cant send faxes any more, and appears in the program a message "Can't send fax -- no valid serial device specified". if i reinstall the modem driver, it works again, but later suddenly it stops working and that message appears" ________________________________ ¡Sé el Bello 51 de People en Español! ¡Es tu oportunidad de Brillar! 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Wizard) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:17:30 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880dece00903031713v6bb0c64y239d135f1689650a@mail.gmail.com> <27989.9799.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090304081730.4eec91b9@WizardsTower> Leonard Chatagnier said: > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not appropriate for > list mail. I too read Karl's post and did not take any offense at > what he said. If anyone should leave the list I think it should be > you two. Leonard Chatagnier By, "Cybr," do you refer to me? My two posts to this thread have been: ----------------------------- Message-ID: <20090303165733.70f8abe6 at WizardsTower> Dotan Cohen said: > You need to put that grease on the outside of the heatsink for it to > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the fan was. ?!? First, do no harm. ----------------------------- and: ----------------------------- Message-ID: <20090303171650.57e17b11 at WizardsTower> "Karl F. Larsen" said: > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets help from him, > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > Karl No, he's just tired of you using this mailing list as your personal computer blog. ITTBT, so am I. ------------------------------ Where is the inappropriate part? I think my missives to be reasonable-ish. If you will note, the first sort of defended Karl. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 14:37:48 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:37:48 -0200 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files In-Reply-To: <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903040637m6882681fpbd418fa7ffbf4180@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > Norberto Bensa escribió: >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: >>> drwxr--r--  5 echam fileshare     4096 2009-02-27 11:10 Andres >>> drwxr--r-- 22 echam fileshare     4096 2009-02-27 10:55 Biblioteca >>> >> >> Only the user echam (and root) can list files inside Andres and Biblioteca. >> >> > And anyone?? (the last 'r') _ONLY_ echam and root can list files inside Andres and Biblioteca. This is not a samba problem. You need chmod go+x in Andres and Biblioteca if you want users in fileshare and everyone else to access that directory. >>> smb: \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\> ls >>> NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE listing \ECHAM_data\eovalle\Andres\* >>> >> >> What user did you used in that connection? >> >> > As guest, because in my share configuration it's guest allowed. The > weird thing is that for the files in eovalle, that have the same > permissions as the folders in eovalle\Andres, y can see/edit the files > in eovalle, but I can't even list the files/folders inside eovalle\Andres. Files are files and directories are directories. What are the permissions of eovalle (ls -ld eovalle)? > > I still keep thinking it's a bug. It's a feature. From diesch at spamfence.net Wed Mar 4 14:39:43 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:39:43 +0100 Subject: Automated patch/update management tool for large deploments on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1236156655.31429.87.camel@rapidns.com> (Biswajit Banerjee's message of "Wed\, 04 Mar 2009 14\:20\:55 +0530") References: <1236156655.31429.87.camel@rapidns.com> Message-ID: <87r61dqrm8.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Biswajit Banerjee wrote: > looking for pointer ( free as well as commercial ) for solution of > patch/updates management on very large number of Ubuntu servers and > desktops with Automated defined push mechanism . cfengine Florian -- From pcguy11 at live.com Wed Mar 4 14:51:24 2009 From: pcguy11 at live.com (Greg White) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:51:24 -0600 Subject: compile a driver and getting an error Message-ID: Hi, I tried to use Intrepid and can't as my video card driver doesn't work. I get: Xorg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i128_drv.so: undefined symbol: xf86usleep I found that Ed already opened a bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i128/+bug/306970 Since noone has responded to this bug for 3 months I tried to compile the driver myself. However I am getting an error. This is what I am doing: apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-i128 apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-i128 cd xserver... ./configure make No rule to make target 'i128' needed by 'all-am' What did I do wrong? Thanks, Greg _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Wed Mar 4 14:50:34 2009 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:50:34 +0000 Subject: Intrepid Ibex Installation In-Reply-To: References: <49AD6ACE.7020900@hbsys.plus.com> <49AD8D33.9060706@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <20090304145034.0ff71d4b.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:50:43 +0100 Eberhard Roloff wrote: ER> Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: ER> > Craig Huffstetler wrote: ER> > [cut] ER> > ER> >> For example: Did previous versions of Ubuntu work fine for you ER> >> (Hardy, possibily even an alpha or beta of Intrepid)? It's only the ER> >> 32-bit Intrepid final that is failing to boot, which leads me to ER> >> believe it's something to do with the final kernel included and your ER> >> hardware. I just wanted to test it against another kernel at boot ER> >> time. ER> > ER> > Yes, Hardy had no problems and Debian (Lenny) works fine also, but I ER> > ruled out hardware because of the machine spread. True, 2 are Intel ER> > Pentium III at 800 MHz, but the third is an AMD Athlon 64+ at 2000 MHz ER> > with a totally different main board, SATA disks etc. ER> > ER> >> Questions: 1. How far are you getting into your boot-up? Do you get ER> >> the splash screen, for example (Install Ubuntu/Try Ubuntu Live!). ER> > ER> > I get to the splash screen (past the language check where I successfully ER> > choose English) and then select the "Check CD for defects". That ER> > ultimately fails with "Check finished: errors found in 7 files!". The ER> > errors seem to all fall into the class "[ nn.mmmmmm] end_request: I/O ER> > error, dev sr0, sector xxxx ER> > ER> >> 2. Are you receiving any errors when you boot-up for installation on ER> >> the failed attempts? This seems to be what you are pointing to. If ER> >> so, what are they? ER> > ER> > I only tried installation once and observed similar errors. I'm very ER> > reluctant to try again as I don't want to wreck a perfectly good Hardy ER> > installation.. I know that sounds irrational, but whilst I don't mind ER> > re-installing I don't want to be left with a lump of useless iron if the ER> > installation fails:-) ER> > ER> >> 3. Is it the same error every time? 4. The only thing that made the ER> >> final attempt successful for installation was simply that it was the ER> >> 64 bit variant? ER> > ER> > Not true. Similar failures occurred with the 64 bit variant, but finally ER> > ceased after the DVD-RW experiment, suggesting that something is flaky, ER> > but not totally broken. In a previous life, many years ago, I wrote ER> > device error recovery code and it looks here as if someone in just not ER> > trying to recover an error ER> > ER> > Thanks a lot for your interest. ER> > ER> > Peter HB ER> > ER> For a start, I would think that the CDs and/or drives might be faulty. ER> ER> well maybe your CD drives are a bit old and worn, especially the PIIIs'. ER> I would burn the CD, then successfully check with ER> sudo dd if=/dev/scd1 | md5sum ER> (assuming that /dev/scd1 is your CD-drive). Only after successfully ER> checking, use the CD for installation. Should the install still fail, ER> you should do the same test on the very machine that fails and see ER> whether there are differences. ER> ER> In regard to the CD/DVD phenominum: My drive here, a five year old NEC, ER> burns DVD faultlessly each time (md5sum always checked and compared), ER> while CD burning more often fails than I would like to see. That's very probable. Just one thing to add, you don't need dd: md5sum /dev/sdc0 works just fine. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 4 14:09:15 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:09:15 -0400 Subject: 2.6.26 kernel in hardy? References: <200903020841.22067.kassube@gmx.net> <200903021757.45207.kassube@gmx.net> <49AC1578.5030100@gatech.edu> <49AC5F47.1040902@gatech.edu> <49AC8E8D.7080203@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <7379235.amvAqmqEFR@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > The no-brain part is that what you call the latest working kernel (i.e. > a kernel that support the feature you want), most likely will not work > with Hardy. Kernels are pretty much independent of distribution releases, and his desired kernel almost certainly _will_ work with hardy (albeit, since it had wifi problems, perhaps not with certain wifi devices). I have routinely installed later kernels for older Ubuntu releases. In fact, I'm currently running a 2.6.27-virtual image on a Hardy VM. It's a not-at-all-uncommon problem to have certain hardware unsupported on certain configurations. I continually ran Intrepid kernels on my last Hardy system (and iirc Hardy kernels when it was still on Gutsy) because of an intermittent Intel wired NIC problem (yes, I did contribute to bug reports about it) that caused it to fail to resume from hibernation. afaik, the problem never has been "fixed" (or even properly identified) but some kernels had problem the problem more often than others. > They are available "for Intrepid", they just most likely won't work. How > long do you expect them to forward-port outdated kernels, exactly? Do > you not realize this wastes time that could be used to fix the actual bug? That situation (an older kernel with a newer Ubuntu release) is more likely to be problematic, but still rare. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 4 14:40:30 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:40:30 -0400 Subject: What's wrong with cron? References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > Hi List, > > I recently configured the root alias to forward email to me, and i found > that cron is throwing errors to my mailbox. > > The subject is > Cron root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly > > And the body is > > /bin/sh: root: not found > > > It's the default system crontab, but it looks like it's skipping the > username field and interpreting it as a command. > > Thanks for any help you could provide me. It would probably have helped if you'd pasted at least that line from the crontab. (I trust you do mean /etc/crontab, not _root's_ crontab - which wouldn't have a username field). -- derek From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 15:52:02 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <200903040920.35783.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <946128.43818.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Nils Kassube wrote: > From: Nils Kassube > Subject: Re: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:20 AM > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Nils Kassube > wrote: > > > In your file there is an admin group but the GID > is 1004 > > > while it should > > > be 111. I suppose it will only work as the real > admin group > > > if you > > > assign it the correct GID because some/most/all > (?) > > > programs use the > > > GID instead of the group name. > > > > FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my > > /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm > has a GID of 4. > > Good point. The system GIDs are really not always the same. > A Kubuntu > 6.06.1 LiveCD has GID 111 for admin like this machine which > was > upgraded from 6.06 to 8.04. Another Hardy machine has 112 > (don't know > from which version it was upgraded). A Xubuntu Hardy alpha? > LiveCD has > 114 and a Jaunty machine has 120 (all 32 bit). So I think > the initially > installed version is important to find out the association > between > particular groups and their GIDs. > Yikes, seems like a lot of unnecessary complication in GIDs. One almost needs a backup of /etc/group to really know what it should be. thanks for pointing out the facts. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:56:03 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:56:03 -0500 Subject: Automated patch/update management tool for large deploments on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1236156655.31429.87.camel@rapidns.com> References: <1236156655.31429.87.camel@rapidns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Biswajit Banerjee wrote: > Hi , > > looking for pointer ( free as well as commercial ) for solution of > patch/updates  management  on very large number of Ubuntu servers and > desktops with Automated defined  push mechanism . > > I know , local repository will do most of it , but not sure whether we can > push , test , audit , status ,schedule etc patches and updates  with this . > > Any pointer will help http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:58:42 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:58:42 -0500 Subject: installed software list (to be clear) In-Reply-To: <928298.77218.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <928298.77218.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > I want a list of the installed softwar ein ubuntunut, without the system >  files. You know, just reposting the question over and over again verbatim isn't going to change anything.... Brian From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 15:59:15 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:59:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > From: Eberhard Roloff > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:25 AM > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > snip > >> I'm a liar _and_ a cheat! Sorry, just trolling > through! > >> > >> If anyone will take the advice of a mailing list > post to > >> remove a fan > >> and spread grease on the cooling fins, then he > should not > >> have been > >> opening the case to begin with. I'm serious. > Darwin > >> would agree. > >> > >> And if you are hiding from Windows in Ubuntu, and > some bad > >> advice will > >> have you running back, then please do run. Ubuntu > is a fine > >> operating > >> system on it's own merits, it does not have to > be a > >> sanctuary for teh > >> h8z M$ kidz. Ubuntu's success need not be > measured by > >> how many Windows > >> converts is attracts, no more than does > Ubuntu's > >> failure need to be > >> measured by how many people leave Ubuntu for > Windows. Even > >> Mark > >> Shuttleworth, who filed a bug against Ubuntu about > >> Windows' dominant > >> market share, advises against converting people to > Ubuntu. > >> > >> Have a good night, all, and don't forget: > sticky air is > >> what makes a > >> computer run hot so get that air flowing by > greasing the > >> cooling fins. > >> If the arctic silver grease isn't slippery > enough, then > >> try spraying > >> some WD-40 on the processor, motherboard, and hard > drives > >> as well. You > >> can always wash it away with water if it > doesn't work. > >> > > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not > appropriate for list mail. > > I too read Karl's post and did not take any > offense at what he said. If anyone should leave the list I > think it should be you two. > > Leonard Chatagnier > > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > > > > Apparently it could make sense to establish a certain > degree of humour > as a base requirement for posting to the list. > > Eberhard > Your entitled to your opinion but I don't see it that way and Karl certainly didn't. There are nice ways to tell someone they are not posting in a correct approved way. It's certainly not appropriate to say something that is totally incorrect and likely harmful to a computer in case a total noobie is reading and doesn't know any better. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 16:06:37 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:06:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903040031v44eeb681p54ea3bb8e4636319@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <621594.11154.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Alan E. Davis wrote: > From: Alan E. Davis > Subject: Re: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:31 AM > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Leonard Chatagnier > wrote: > > > > > FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my > > /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm > has a GID of 4. I > > wouldn't expect these GIDs to change between > versions BIDK. If the OP is > > interested send me an email off-list and I'll be > glad to send you my > > /etc/group and /etc/group~ file so that you may try to > correct your problem > > without reinstalling. My system is also working fine. > HTH. I also have an > > Hardy installation in case the OP is not using > Intrepid. > > Leonard Chatagnier > > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > Thank you kindly. I have solved the problem by an > overnight install on > another partition. The Phoenix rises from its ashes! The > GID of admin on > my other box is 123. > > I learned much by this. > > Alan > So did I. Although I have looked at /etc/group on several versions of Ubuntu I certainly wasn't aware the the GIDs were different depending on which version is installed and on the method of installing/upgrading. Seems like a lot of unnecessary complication to me. Seems like a group should have a specific number on any version regardless of how you got there unless the privileges are somehow changes/different. IMO. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Wed Mar 4 16:18:08 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:18:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > I want the section I have selected to print scaled up to fill > the A4 sheet. as I said, xv is the ideal tool for that: you can specify the orientation, the paper size, and exactly the printing size. The bad side is that it is not available as a deb package. So you need 4 lines instead of one to install it. As I know no other program as powerful as this one, it seems worthwhile to install it: ==> wget http://atrpms.net/dist/f8/xv/xv-3.10a-37.fc8.i386.rpm ==> alien xv-3.10a-37.fc8.i386.rpm ==> dpkg -i xv_3.10a-38_i386.deb ==> wget ftp://ftp.cis.upenn.edu/pub/xv/docs/xvdocs.pdf After that, it takes 30 seconds to get what you want: xv myfile right button to get the menu click and drag with button 1 to select the rectangle area click on crop click on print ... More info in the pdf document (128 pages...) -- Pierre Frenkiel From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 16:26:39 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:26:39 -0500 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... In-Reply-To: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> References: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Back to this again. A few months ago I posted a Q to this list about > how to get CDs I rip named the way I want (TrackTitle--TrackArtist.mp3). > If you recall, I was able to do it with grip. > Now, I got a similar issue. I like how Rhythmbox works (so far) with my > iPod, but the problem lies with when I copy music off of it. Rhytmbox > give me only a few options as to filename, none of which I really like. > So I went into gconf editor, browsed down to apps\rhythmbox. There I > changed library_layout_filename to %tt--%ta. But when I re-open > Rhythmbox and go into the prefs, the filename area is blank. Looking > back in gconf, that key is changed on me... Grrr!!! > > Now, IIRC Rhythmbox is based on gstreamer, so I've been looking around > in gconf for something under gstreamer. So far no luck. I'm guessing > that the file name options listed in Rhythmbox (and Sound Juicer) are > stored in a config file somewhere? Can someone point me in the right > direction? > > Apparently Mathieu Leplatre opened a bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/315405 But there's diddly for details, and it seems no one has looked at it yet... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 16:29:32 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:29:32 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > Your entitled to your opinion but I don't see it that way and Karl certainly didn't. > There are nice ways to tell someone they are not posting in a correct approved way. It's certainly not appropriate to say something that is totally incorrect and likely harmful to a computer in case a total noobie is reading and doesn't know any better. > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net I see your point, and I agree with it. I think what some people are trying to explain here is that if one wants to be sarcastic or humorous, it should made clear in some way (/sarcasm tags, :) for jokes or by using one's writing skills), for the exact reason given above by Leonard. The lists are future references for all kinds of users, including newbies. But then this is an open mailing list and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. One cannot force others to follow some basic rules. In my opinion, what this eventually leads to is the image a particular list projects of itself. If it is filled with noise which has potentially dangerous advice in the guise of being humorous without explicitly stating so, the list will get an image of not being thorough or untrustworthy. And there is absolutely nothing one can make others do there. In a way I see it as Darwinism as work here. If a list eventually is untrustworthy, it will not be references much by people looking for good advice. Example: I find that out of the linux newsgroups, redhad, fedora and other mailing lists, the most trustworthy, useful, robust and knowledgeable lists (for Linux advice) are of Debian and Gentoo. The most noisy newsgroup that comes to my mind is of Windows XP on microsoft's servers (undoubtedly there are others). Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 16:44:26 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:44:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <20090304081730.4eec91b9@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <71895.75504.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I meant you but if I misread or misinterpreted your response, I do apologize. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > From: Cybe R. Wizard > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:17 AM > Leonard Chatagnier said: > > This is totally uncalled for, Dotan and Cybr, and not > appropriate for > > list mail. I too read Karl's post and did not take > any offense at > > what he said. If anyone should leave the list I think > it should be > > you two. Leonard Chatagnier > > By, "Cybr," do you refer to me? My two posts to > this thread have been: > ----------------------------- > Message-ID: <20090303165733.70f8abe6 at WizardsTower> > Dotan Cohen said: > > You need to put that grease on the outside of the > heatsink for it to > > work. Just remove the fan and put the grease where the > fan was. > > ?!? > > First, do no harm. > ----------------------------- > and: > ----------------------------- > Message-ID: <20090303171650.57e17b11 at WizardsTower> > "Karl F. Larsen" > said: > > Dotan Cohen is a liar and a cheat. If a new user gets > help from him, > > they run back to Windows as fast as possible. > > > > Karl > > No, he's just tired of you using this mailing list as > your personal > computer blog. ITTBT, so am I. > ------------------------------ > > Where is the inappropriate part? I think my missives to be > reasonable-ish. If you will note, the first sort of > defended Karl. > > Cybe R. Wizard > -- > Nice computers don't go down. > Larry Niven, Steven Barnes > "The Barsoom Project" > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 4 16:54:46 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:54:46 -0600 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <71895.75504.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090304081730.4eec91b9@WizardsTower> <71895.75504.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090304105446.7bd4d56b@WizardsTower> Leonard Chatagnier said: > Yes, I meant you but if I misread or misinterpreted your response, I > do apologize. > > Leonard Chatagnier Thank you, sir. That, as always, takes a a big man. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From ff809 at ncf.ca Wed Mar 4 17:03:11 2009 From: ff809 at ncf.ca (Brian Lunergan) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:03:11 -0500 Subject: Adding menu entries to Wine... Message-ID: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> Hi all: I have a couple of windows based website coding tools that I'd like to add to Wine on my 8.04 setup. Hitch is that these have no install program of their own. They're of the make a directory and drop it in variety, so of course the Wine installer is no direct help. I can get each of them as far as the add it to the "C: drive" part, but I have no idea how to manually add a menu entry for a Wine program. I did poke around the Wine site, but didn't come across anything explaining things. Anybody done this that could share the how to, or at least point me in the direction of some good notes on the subject, please?? Regards... -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 17:16:29 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, H.S. wrote: > From: H.S. > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:29 AM > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > Your entitled to your opinion but I don't see it > that way and Karl certainly didn't. > > There are nice ways to tell someone they are not > posting in a correct approved way. It's certainly not > appropriate to say something that is totally incorrect and > likely harmful to a computer in case a total noobie is > reading and doesn't know any better. > > Leonard Chatagnier > > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > I see your point, and I agree with it. > > I think what some people are trying to explain here is that > if one wants > to be sarcastic or humorous, it should made clear in some > way (/sarcasm > tags, :) for jokes or by using one's writing skills), > for the exact > reason given above by Leonard. The lists are future > references for all > kinds of users, including newbies. > I certainly agree here. > But then this is an open mailing list and everyone is > entitled to > his/her own opinion. One cannot force others to follow some > basic rules. > In my opinion, what this eventually leads to is the image a > particular > list projects of itself. If it is filled with noise which > has > potentially dangerous advice in the guise of being humorous > without > explicitly stating so, the list will get an image of not > being thorough > or untrustworthy. > Agreed. > And there is absolutely nothing one can make others do > there. In a way I > see it as Darwinism as work here. If a list eventually is > untrustworthy, > it will not be references much by people looking for good > advice. > Example: I find that out of the linux newsgroups, redhad, > fedora and > other mailing lists, the most trustworthy, useful, robust > and > knowledgeable lists (for Linux advice) are of Debian and > Gentoo. The > most noisy newsgroup that comes to my mind is of Windows XP > on > microsoft's servers (undoubtedly there are others). > I haven't visited your list except for Debian when I first started with Woody bf2.4 and it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. One of the reasons I switched to Ubuntu. It is more newbie friendly and much easier to use although I've learned a little since my Debian days-:)) Sorry that I misread/misunderstood your original reply. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From dhull at digital-overload.net Wed Mar 4 17:44:36 2009 From: dhull at digital-overload.net (Damien Hull) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:44:36 -0900 (AKST) Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card Message-ID: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> This may be hopeless but I thought I would ask anyway. I'm hoping someone on the list can point me in the right direction. Here's the story. Micro SD card in my BlackBerry was working fine yesterday. Last night the BlackBerry tells me there's something wrong with the card. This morning I used a USB adapter to connect it to my laptop. The plan was to "dd" the bits off the card. No luck. After several tries I was able to get 6 megabytes of bits off the card. I can do this if I run "dd" just after I connect the card. Here's what dmesg says. [53769.148120] usb 7-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 [53769.292106] usb 7-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [53769.317243] scsi25 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [53769.327733] usb-storage: device found at 7 [53769.327745] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [53774.324746] usb-storage: device scan complete [53774.325668] scsi 25:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9407 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 [53774.477508] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) [53774.478649] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [53774.478654] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [53774.478657] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [53774.481643] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] 15954944 512-byte hardware sectors (8169 MB) [53774.482759] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [53774.482765] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [53774.482769] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [53774.482779] sdb: sdb1 [53774.484365] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [53774.484540] sd 25:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [53778.934622] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Sense Key : Not Ready [current] [53778.934639] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Add. Sense: Medium not present [53778.934649] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 12496 [53778.934659] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 538 [53778.934673] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 539 [53778.934679] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 540 [53778.934685] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 541 [53778.934691] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 542 [53778.934698] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 543 [53778.934704] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 544 [53778.934710] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 545 [53778.938230] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Sense Key : Not Ready [current] [53778.938247] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Add. Sense: Medium not present [53778.938257] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 12496 [53778.938265] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 538 Seems to me the block device sdb is created at some point. I'm only guessing but I think the system doesn't see the card. All I know is that dmesg says "sdb" but dd can't access it. root at dhull-dell-laptop:/tmp/SDCARD# dd if=/dev/sdb of=data2 dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found Any suggestions? I just need the bits. -- Damien Hull Linux Ninja Open Source Assassin http://linuxninjas.tv http://elite.linuxninjas.tv http://www.digital-overload.net --------- To unsubscribe, send email to with 'unsubscribe' in the message body. -- Damien Hull Owner and maintainer of the following http://www.digital-overload.net http://linuxninjas.tv/damien http://elite.linuxninjas.tv http://documentit.linuxninjas.tv From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 4 17:49:34 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:49:34 -0500 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> References: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: <49AEBF2E.5020905@chrononomicon.com> Damien Hull wrote: > This may be hopeless but I thought I would ask anyway. I'm hoping someone on the list can point me in the right direction. Here's the story. Google testdisk. I think there are companion applications that may be sdcard specific, but it may help in recovering data. From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 17:53:23 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:53:23 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> > I haven't visited your list except for Debian when I first started with Woody bf2.4 and it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. One of the reasons I switched to Ubuntu. It is more newbie friendly and much easier to use although I've learned a little since my Debian days-:)) Sorry that I misread/misunderstood your original reply. I started using Debian as a user in around 2003 or so. I was already using some Linux newsgroups before that. Coming from newsgroups, the Debain User mailing list was a god sent! If you found Debian User a bit intimidating as a newbie, I suppose you haven't been to Linux newsgroups in the late 90's and early this decade. They kill, roast and eat newbies for fun there :) (wonder if it is still like that). But I must admit that the Debian User mailing list was not as human friendly as Ubuntu is today, but it was light years more friendlier than some newsgroups. Still, it has improved by huge margins though. What you won't find easily there are answers in a newbie-rookie friendly way. Debian users tend to be more technical savvy than average Ubuntu users, and expect the poster has done some home work before posting. When I first joined Debain User, they are in the middle of developing a more user friendly installer. I think I saw a paradigm shift during those few years: the attitude changed from command-line-loving-GUI-hating linux users to realizing that usability of an OS can be just as important as robustness and security. Big improvement there. In my view, Ubuntu and Debian lists combined is what make a much better situation. Debian for its low level knowledge and thoroughness, and Ubuntu for rookie-newbie friendly attitude .... i.e. if it not polluted by misleading drivel anytime soon. But, realistically speaking, one will always find rotten tomatoes here and there in every group. :) -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From ubuntu at swhi.net Wed Mar 4 17:53:23 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:53:23 -0500 Subject: I'm having audio problems. In-Reply-To: <49AE214D.4050200@rogers.com> References: <49AE214D.4050200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49AEC013.4060602@swhi.net> Stephen wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on an intel dual core em64t computer. > > I have a p5ql pro mother board by ASUS > > Can anyone send me a link or tell me how I can find better drivers to > use in ubuntu 8.10. I'm not sure, but: http://tinyurl.com/a9n52h From dhull at digital-overload.net Wed Mar 4 18:04:50 2009 From: dhull at digital-overload.net (Damien Hull) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:04:50 -0900 (AKST) Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <49AEBF2E.5020905@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <16828504.61236189890788.JavaMail.root@mail1> Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see the card. Something like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Silverstrim" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 8:49:34 AM GMT -09:00 Alaska Subject: Re: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card Damien Hull wrote: > This may be hopeless but I thought I would ask anyway. I'm hoping someone on the list can point me in the right direction. Here's the story. Google testdisk. I think there are companion applications that may be sdcard specific, but it may help in recovering data. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- Damien Hull Owner and maintainer of the following http://www.digital-overload.net http://linuxninjas.tv/damien http://elite.linuxninjas.tv http://documentit.linuxninjas.tv From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 4 18:05:49 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:05:49 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090304180549.GA16244@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:18:08PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > > > I want the section I have selected to print scaled up to fill > > the A4 sheet. > as I said, xv is the ideal tool for that: you can specify the > orientation, the paper size, and exactly the printing size. > > The bad side is that it is not available as a deb package. So > you need 4 lines instead of one to install it. As I know no > other program as powerful as this one, it seems worthwhile to > install it: > > ==> wget http://atrpms.net/dist/f8/xv/xv-3.10a-37.fc8.i386.rpm > ==> alien xv-3.10a-37.fc8.i386.rpm > ==> dpkg -i xv_3.10a-38_i386.deb > ==> wget ftp://ftp.cis.upenn.edu/pub/xv/docs/xvdocs.pdf > I seem to be fated on this quest! I'm running a 64-bit system and, although there *appears* to be a 64-bit rpm for xv at the above site it's a broken link. I am trying to compile from source but since it's *very* non-standard (no auto confif or anything) that's proving rather difficult. > After that, it takes 30 seconds to get what you want: > xv myfile > right button to get the menu > click and drag with button 1 to select the rectangle area > click on crop > click on print ... > > More info in the pdf document (128 pages...) > > -- > Pierre Frenkiel > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Chris Green From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 4 18:09:45 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:09:45 -0500 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <16828504.61236189890788.JavaMail.root@mail1> References: <16828504.61236189890788.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: <49AEC3E9.4030608@chrononomicon.com> Damien Hull wrote: > Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see the card. Something like that. If the *device* is seen, you can try creating an image with dd or dd_rescue. Then you can run testdisk against the disk image. From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Wed Mar 4 18:07:03 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:07:03 -0300 Subject: What's wrong with cron? In-Reply-To: <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> Derek Broughton escribió: > Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > > >> Hi List, >> >> I recently configured the root alias to forward email to me, and i found >> that cron is throwing errors to my mailbox. >> >> The subject is >> Cron root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly >> >> And the body is >> >> /bin/sh: root: not found >> >> >> It's the default system crontab, but it looks like it's skipping the >> username field and interpreting it as a command. >> >> Thanks for any help you could provide me. >> > > It would probably have helped if you'd pasted at least that line from the > crontab. (I trust you do mean /etc/crontab, not _root's_ crontab - which > wouldn't have a username field). > You're right... but let me ask a question... Is there a difference between system crontab and root user crontab?? How can you make a difference between both?? (I mean how do you edit them) I'm doing "crontab -e" under a "sudo -i" shell. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From dhull at digital-overload.net Wed Mar 4 18:12:08 2009 From: dhull at digital-overload.net (Damien Hull) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:12:08 -0900 (AKST) Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <49AEC3E9.4030608@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <24316061.91236190328438.JavaMail.root@mail1> That's my problem. I can't use "dd" cause the device isn't there. I think the system tries to create /dev/sdb but dd can't access it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Silverstrim" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 9:09:45 AM GMT -09:00 Alaska Subject: Re: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card Damien Hull wrote: > Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see the card. Something like that. If the *device* is seen, you can try creating an image with dd or dd_rescue. Then you can run testdisk against the disk image. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- Damien Hull Owner and maintainer of the following http://www.digital-overload.net http://linuxninjas.tv/damien http://elite.linuxninjas.tv http://documentit.linuxninjas.tv From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Wed Mar 4 18:18:45 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:18:45 -0300 Subject: What's wrong with cron? [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <49AEC605.30001@dgeo.udec.cl> Lorenzo Luengo escribió: > Derek Broughton escribió: > >> Lorenzo Luengo wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> I recently configured the root alias to forward email to me, and i found >>> that cron is throwing errors to my mailbox. >>> >>> The subject is >>> Cron root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly >>> >>> And the body is >>> >>> /bin/sh: root: not found >>> >>> >>> It's the default system crontab, but it looks like it's skipping the >>> username field and interpreting it as a command. >>> >>> Thanks for any help you could provide me. >>> >>> >> It would probably have helped if you'd pasted at least that line from the >> crontab. (I trust you do mean /etc/crontab, not _root's_ crontab - which >> wouldn't have a username field). >> >> > You're right... but let me ask a question... > > Is there a difference between system crontab and root user crontab?? How > can you make a difference between both?? (I mean how do you edit them) > > I'm doing "crontab -e" under a "sudo -i" shell. > > Hmmm I just realized. root crontab is no /etc/crontab, and in my system, root's crontab was a copy-paste of system crontab, and that was generating the problems. Thanks every one for the light shed on this problem! -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 18:31:36 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:31:36 -0500 Subject: Adding menu entries to Wine... In-Reply-To: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> References: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Brian Lunergan wrote: > Hi all: > > I have a couple of windows based website coding tools that I'd like to > add to Wine on my 8.04 setup. Hitch is that these have no install > program of their own. They're of the make a directory and drop it in > variety, so of course the Wine installer is no direct help. I can get > each of them as far as the add it to the "C: drive" part, but I have no > idea how to manually add a menu entry for a Wine program. > > I did poke around the Wine site, but didn't come across anything > explaining things. Anybody done this that could share the how to, or at > least point me in the direction of some good notes on the subject, > please?? Hey Brian Programs run under wine aren't really any different than any other program in the menus. You just need a launcher to access them, and an apropriate logo. So, in rather exhaustive detail, here we go 1 - Take a program you already have installed in Wine Not the Notepad or Browse entries that are there by default, but one you've installed. I'm assuming you've installed some thing else already. Right click on it and choose 'add this launcher to desktop' This will be our template. 2 - Go to your desktop and right click on the launcher, and choose 'Properties' 3 - Go to the Launcher tab in the Properties window (last one) 4 - Copy the entire string shown in the middle 'Command' box. 5 - Go to System -> Preferences -> Main Menu 6 - Pick the spot you want your new launcher on the tree on the left, then choose new item on the right 7 - Leave it set as 'application', Name is whatever you want to call it, and Comment is what will appear in the pop up box if you hover your mouse over. 8 - Paste in the copied string into the 'Command' box, then edit it for your application. For instance, I have one like this env WINEPREFIX="/home/me/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\Lubrifiner.exe" All you need to do is change the c:\Program Files to the right location for your program 9 - Click on the springplate icon to pick a new icon - if you navigate to ~/.wine/path to your program/ there is often a .ico file you can use to get the 'correct' icon for the program 10 - Pitch the template launcher off your desktop HTH Brian From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Wed Mar 4 18:37:59 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:37:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: problems getting ubuntu to work with orca Message-ID: <3b847c81-2594-49a8-8c31-5ec1e632778f@default> Hello, Sorry for the cross-posting, but I need to get ubuntu to work with the orca screen reader ASAP. I have downloaded both the hardy and intrepid livecd's over the last day, and tried to get both of them to work with no success. The steps I followed were: 1. insert the cd into the drive of my gateway desktop system. 2. boot the system. 3. when I hear the cd start to spin, I press then 3 to enable screen reader then . 4. wait for the drumroll to identify that the system has booted successfully and gotten logged in. I then wait for the cd to stop spinning, but orca never starts. 5. press type "orca" and press I hear: "welcome to orca" but then nothing else. I have tried repeating this step several times, but each time the results are the same. I have even skipped the step where I press f5 on startup to see if that makes a difference, but still nothing. Any tips/suggestions would be appreciated. -- Oracle Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 18:56:17 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:56:17 -0800 Subject: after defining new group, lost administration privileges and /etc/group has been changed In-Reply-To: <200903040920.35783.kassube@gmx.net> References: <891732.27716.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200903040920.35783.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 03/04/2009 12:20 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> FWIW, In my intrepid 64 bit installation my >> /etc/group admin entry shows GID of 119 not 111. Adm has a GID of 4. > > Good point. The system GIDs are really not always the same. A Kubuntu > 6.06.1 LiveCD has GID 111 for admin like this machine which was > upgraded from 6.06 to 8.04. Another Hardy machine has 112 (don't know > from which version it was upgraded). A Xubuntu Hardy alpha? LiveCD has > 114 and a Jaunty machine has 120 (all 32 bit). So I think the initially > installed version is important to find out the association between > particular groups and their GIDs. This hardy machine (all my machines are Gnome) has been upgraded from 6.06 thru 8.04 and has an admin of 117 w/adm of 4. An intrepid machine w/fresh install is 115 (admin) Two other hardy machines w/fresh install is 115 (admin) Another Hardy is 117 (upgraded from edgy thru hardy). A related bug that seems similar to Alan's original issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/236305 [Creating user with username 'admin' hoses admin group, sudo config] From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 4 19:15:08 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:15:08 +0100 Subject: How to add "New Terminal" link in the Menu that comes when we right click on Desktop In-Reply-To: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c3933e40903040134i31d0f299maadc9c3c14b6dfb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236194108.5141.5.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:04 +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: > How can I add few more items in the Menu that comes when we Right > Click on the Desktop in Ubuntu 8.04. > The available options Create Folder, Create Launcher .... , Create > Document, Clean Up by Name, Keep Aligned, Paste. > Suppose I want to add a new Item say "New Terminal" and this will open > a new terminal. For the terminal, install nautilus-open-terminal There is also nautilus-gksu that you can install to to have a "open as administrator". Install nautilus-image-converter to convert images and nautilus-script-audio-convert for audio, and nautilus-wallpaper to be able to choose wallpaper. For arbitrary items, install nautilus-actions. To be able to write scripts that can be launched on rightclick, see the nautilus-script-* packages From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 4 19:22:04 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1236194524.5141.9.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 07:59 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > There are nice ways to tell someone they are not posting in a correct > approved way. Yes, the first 500 times you say it in nice ways. After that, maybe not so much. Come on Leonard, you know *exactly* what a burden Karl is to the list. It's nice of you to think of Karl's needs, but IMHO it's wrong to simply disregard the needs of those who have wasted countless hours in an effort to help him, or of those who continuously have to wade through his blogging emails, wrong advice, and the understandable irritation they cause. I, personally, am sad that I had to filter his posts after wasting many hours of my own free time on him, in order not to start posting nasty relies all the time. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 4 19:24:55 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:24:55 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 09:16 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. *Lazy* questions are frowned upon, i.e., those who demonstrate that the poster thinks it's ok to waste other's time in order to save a few minutes of his own time by not googling. I like that this list is more forgiving, but the result is that some people never learn to behave correctly (viz., Karl) From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 4 20:16:19 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:16:19 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> Apparently it could make sense to establish a certain >> degree of humour >> as a base requirement for posting to the list. >> >> Eberhard >> > Your entitled to your opinion but I don't see it that way and Karl certainly didn't. > There are nice ways to tell someone they are not posting in a correct approved way. It's certainly not appropriate to say something that is totally incorrect and likely harmful to a computer in case a total noobie is reading and doesn't know any better. > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > While this is certainly true and I can hardly say anything against it, my opinion is this: If I tell someone: "Jump out of the window on 13th floor. This will cure your cold, once and for all", will he jump? And if he jumps, am I the one to be blamed? We are all grown-up, at least I hope so. So it is anyones choice what advice he/she follows or where he/she needs to investigate a little bit further. I call this common sense. And I expect anyone to have it (at least a minimum of it), as anyone can reasonably expect me to have it, just as well. So come on, Leonard, your proverbial newbie that uses WD-40, Water and heat grease on top of the heatsink to achieve a better airflow is pure fiction. Eberhard From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 4 20:18:33 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:18:33 -0500 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> References: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: <20090304151833.abc4fd0e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:44:36 -0900 (AKST) Damien Hull wrote: > root at dhull-dell-laptop:/tmp/SDCARD# dd if=/dev/sdb of=data2 > dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found > > Any suggestions? I just need the bits. I think your sol. But just in case, wouldn't it be /dev/sdb1? I'm saying this with no experience whatsoever with dd. -- David Curtis From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 4 20:21:43 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:21:43 +0100 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <24316061.91236190328438.JavaMail.root@mail1> References: <49AEC3E9.4030608@chrononomicon.com> <24316061.91236190328438.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: Damien Hull wrote: > That's my problem. I can't use "dd" cause the device isn't there. I think the system tries to create /dev/sdb but dd can't access it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bart Silverstrim" > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 9:09:45 AM GMT -09:00 Alaska > Subject: Re: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card > > Damien Hull wrote: >> Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see the card. Something like that. > > If the *device* is seen, you can try creating an image with dd or > dd_rescue. Then you can run testdisk against the disk image. > I would google for "free photo recovery" and then use windows if you fail on Linux. Sometimes this other OS also has its merits, although some Linux people will not want to know this. Kind regards Eberhard From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Wed Mar 4 20:36:37 2009 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:36:37 +0000 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: References: <49AEC3E9.4030608@chrononomicon.com> <24316061.91236190328438.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: <20090304203637.597fa357.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:21:43 +0100 Eberhard Roloff wrote: ER> Damien Hull wrote: ER> > That's my problem. I can't use "dd" cause the device isn't there. ER> > I think the system tries to create /dev/sdb but dd can't access ER> > it. ER> > ER> > ER> > ----- Original Message ----- ER> > From: "Bart Silverstrim" ER> > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" ER> > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 ER> > 9:09:45 AM GMT -09:00 Alaska Subject: Re: Trying to rescue data ER> > from a bad SD card ER> > ER> > Damien Hull wrote: ER> >> Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It ER> >can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see ER> >the card. Something like that. ER> > ER> > If the *device* is seen, you can try creating an image with dd or ER> > dd_rescue. Then you can run testdisk against the disk image. ER> > ER> I would google for "free photo recovery" and then use windows if you ER> ER> fail on Linux. Sometimes this other OS also has its merits, although ER> ER> some Linux people will not want to know this. I missed the start of the thread, so I may be repeating some things, but I think there are a few things worth trying here: 1) Have you at some time previously been able to read the SD card on the machine you are now trying? (there are two types SD and SDHC (High capacity) which are externally identical and the latter cannot be read in an SD only slot). 2) What do you see if you have "tail -f /var/log/messages" running in a terminal while you plug the card in. 3) You could try a different machine or a USB reader. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 4 20:45:33 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:45:33 +0100 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <20090304151833.abc4fd0e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> <20090304151833.abc4fd0e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <200903042145.33483.kassube@gmx.net> David Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:44:36 -0900 (AKST) > Damien Hull wrote: > > root at dhull-dell-laptop:/tmp/SDCARD# dd if=/dev/sdb of=data2 > > dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found > > I think your sol. But just in case, wouldn't it be /dev/sdb1? I'm > saying this with no experience whatsoever with dd. If the device sdb1 exists it is the first partition on the entire disk sdb. You can use both devices but with sdb you will get an image of the entire disk while sdb1 would get you only that particular partition. The advantage of using sdb would be that you could recover some more data if the partition table was faulty. Nils From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 20:50:00 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:50:00 -0800 Subject: Linux Router(Load Balancer) cum proxyserver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/03/2009 11:21 PM, kapil singh kushwah wrote: > Hello all, > > How to use linux box as a load balancer and proxy server. > I want to install linuxbox as a router having two WAN's and > a single LAN for Internet sharing. after that I would like to > install Squid for caching and content filtering. > > what will be the best options for doing such type of setup > Perhaps: will help? Examples: http://www.unix-tutorials.com/go.php?id=3691 [How To Set Up A Loadbalanced High-Availability Apache Cluster Based On Ubuntu 8.04 LTS] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Load_balancer From robfleet at ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 4 20:54:00 2009 From: robfleet at ix.netcom.com (Rob) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:54:00 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Greetings all, I have recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 and just this morning was presented with the option to install 517 updates. Sheesh!! So, I let 'er rip and find that I now have two problems (the second of which I had before the update). 1. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious but, for the life of me, I cannot figger out how to connect to the Internet using KDE. I'm using Gnome right now and it has a little icon in the upper task bar that I can click on to go on line (I'm using wireless connectivity through a Linksys router on a lower floor which works fine in Gnome) but I can find no obvious way of doing the same thing in KDE. 2. I cannot get sound to work in KDE. Has anyone cracked the code on this yet? It clearly tells me my sound is "broken" when I activate KDE but NOT how to fix it. Many thanks in advance for any help on these two... Rob From jrh at joshh.co.uk Wed Mar 4 20:57:53 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:57:53 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <1236200273.3995.5.camel@rigel> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:54 -0500, Rob wrote: > Many thanks in advance for any help on these two... Switch back to GNOME? Seriously, why are you using KDE if you are used to GNOME? /me puts flameproof longjohns on... AFAICT, there is no real difference between KDE and GNOME in terms of quality of the DE. The interfaces are different, so why not just use what you are used to? -- Josh Holland From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Wed Mar 4 21:08:11 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:08:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card In-Reply-To: <20090304203637.597fa357.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7dce6e71-9bb3-4611-bf1c-cb4de77ecc55@default> > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:21:43 +0100 > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > ER> Damien Hull wrote: > ER> > That's my problem. I can't use "dd" cause the device > isn't there. > ER> > I think the system tries to create /dev/sdb but dd can't access > ER> > it. > ER> > > ER> > > ER> > ----- Original Message ----- > ER> > From: "Bart Silverstrim" > ER> > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > ER> > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 > ER> > 9:09:45 AM GMT -09:00 Alaska Subject: Re: Trying to rescue data > ER> > from a bad SD card > ER> > > ER> > Damien Hull wrote: > ER> >> Thanks for the info. I installed and ran testdisk. No luck. It > ER> >can't see the SD card. I think /dev/sdb is there but it can't see > ER> >the card. Something like that. > ER> > > ER> > If the *device* is seen, you can try creating an image > with dd or > ER> > dd_rescue. Then you can run testdisk against the disk image. > ER> > > ER> I would google for "free photo recovery" and then use > windows if you > ER> > ER> fail on Linux. Sometimes this other OS also has its > merits, although > ER> > ER> some Linux people will not want to know this. > > I missed the start of the thread, so I may be repeating some > things, but > I think there are a few things worth trying here: > 1) Have you at some time previously been able to read the SD > card on the > machine you are now trying? (there are two types SD and SDHC (High > capacity) which are externally identical and the latter cannot be read > in an SD only slot). > > 2) What do you see if you have "tail -f /var/log/messages" > running in a > terminal while you plug the card in. > > 3) You could try a different machine or a USB reader. > > -- > +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ > | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | > | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | > | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | > +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ > Another thing to try after inserting the card is to run lsusb and see what it shows. I know there is also a way using udevinfo to figure out what is being seen by the OS, but I don't remember how to do that part :-) hth From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:05:27 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:05:27 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236200273.3995.5.camel@rigel> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> <1236200273.3995.5.camel@rigel> Message-ID: Josh Holland wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:54 -0500, Rob wrote: >> Many thanks in advance for any help on these two... > > Switch back to GNOME? > > Seriously, why are you using KDE if you are used to GNOME? Freedom of choice? Just to play with it? etc. etc. > /me puts flameproof longjohns on... > AFAICT, there is no real difference between KDE and GNOME in terms of > quality of the DE. The interfaces are different, so why not just use > what you are used to? At least one: in my school I can access WebCT folders in KDE (secure webdav protocal) but Gnome barfs at those and fails miserably. (this is in Hardy and from my search it appears to be a Gnome bug, long standing) -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:11:04 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:11:04 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > 1. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious but, for the life of me, > I cannot figger out how to connect to the Internet using KDE. I'm using > Gnome right now and it has a little icon in the upper task bar that I > can click on to go on line (I'm using wireless connectivity through a > Linksys router on a lower floor which works fine in Gnome) but I can > find no obvious way of doing the same thing in KDE. Do you have network-manager-kde installed? If not, install it and perhaps also kwirelessmonitor. You should be good to go then. But post here if it still doesn't work. This might ask you setup a password for KDE wallet. To save trouble, I set it to the same as I my login password. > 2. I cannot get sound to work in KDE. Has anyone cracked the code on > this yet? It clearly tells me my sound is "broken" when I activate KDE > but NOT how to fix it. If you are using pulseaudio, make sure you have ESD for "audio device" in Hardware tab of sound system configuration. Make all the above changes and relogin and see how it goes. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:31:41 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:31:41 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <1236194524.5141.9.camel@chronic> References: <186679.7352.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1236194524.5141.9.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49AEF33D.4070204@gmail.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 07:59 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > >> There are nice ways to tell someone they are not posting in a correct >> approved way. >> > > Yes, the first 500 times you say it in nice ways. After that, maybe not > so much. > > Come on Leonard, you know *exactly* what a burden Karl is to the list. > It's nice of you to think of Karl's needs, but IMHO it's wrong to simply > disregard the needs of those who have wasted countless hours in an > effort to help him, or of those who continuously have to wade through > his blogging emails, wrong advice, and the understandable irritation > they cause. > > I, personally, am sad that I had to filter his posts after wasting many > hours of my own free time on him, in order not to start posting nasty > relies all the time. > > > How can you be an expert in the time I waste others time Mario, when you do not even read my email to this list? Your wasting zero time. So stop bad mouthing me. It only shows how stupid you are. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:32:06 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:32:06 -0600 Subject: Linux Router(Load Balancer) cum proxyserver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/03/2009 11:21 PM, kapil singh kushwah wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > How to use linux box as a load balancer and proxy server. > > I want to install linuxbox as a router having two WAN's and > > a single LAN for Internet sharing. after that I would like to > > install Squid for caching and content filtering. > > > > what will be the best options for doing such type of setup > > > > Perhaps: > < > http://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&q=ubuntu+%2BLoad+Balancer&btnG=Search > > > > will help? > > Examples: > < > http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2007/11/04/create-a-load-balance-server-using-ubuntu/ > > > < > http://www.lucidtips.com/2008/08/24/setting-up-a-linux-based-software-load-balancer/ > > > http://www.unix-tutorials.com/go.php?id=3691 > [How To Set Up A Loadbalanced High-Availability Apache Cluster Based On > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS] > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP > http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ > http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Load_balancer > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > The easiest way for me after looking for many alternatives was Pfsense, although can be done with any linux distro, specially Ubuntu. Bye, -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 4 21:35:09 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:35:09 -0500 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: <49AE69F3.2010809@neuroweave.nl> References: <49AE69F3.2010809@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: <49AEF40D.7020706@tigershaunt.com> Joep L. Blom wrote: >> > sudo kill process. > Joep > > Followed by sudo make me a sandwich (If you're scratching your head, google it.) From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:36:13 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: cannot kill process References: <84250c9c0903040338p666bb3a0t61fdfbda7a708dcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:38:19 -0200, Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Thufir wrote: > >> Is there something else which I should be doing? > > you can't kill other users processes (unless you're root ;-) ) I tried as root, pardon if I left that out. -Thufir From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:37:56 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: cannot kill process References: Message-ID: On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:26:45 +0000, Thufir wrote: > referencing: > http://java-monitor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22 on the google groups web page I thought someone had asked for this info, but I don't see that message in gmane. I left out some details: Tomcat 6.0 installed manually. thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=intrepid DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.10" thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ java -version java version "1.6.0_10" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_10-b33) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.0-b15, mixed mode, sharing) thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ -Thufir From p.echols at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 21:46:47 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:46:47 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090304103435.GD17165@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> <20090304103435.GD17165@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49AEF6C7.2030506@comcast.net> On 03/04/2009 02:34 AM, Chris G wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:00:08PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > >> On 03/03/2009 07:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> >>> Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full >>> steps in another email. >>> >>> >> Oops, my bad. And here I sent another reply. I wish I had seen this >> and your other post for mouthing off . . . Again! >> >> As you'll see in my other reply, I was aware of display, but did not >> realize it would do all of that. I had looked at the man page, but >> understood the options to be command line, not what could be done while >> looking at an image. Very interesting. >> >> Thanks for the pointer >> >> > ... but, as I said, it doesn't do what I want. I can very easily > select the part of the image I want and have it displayed in the > ImageMagick window but I can't then get it to fill and A4 sheet when > printed. > > ImageMagick's display utility is almost exactly what I want except for > the printing bit. > In theory the following should work, but see my problem below. When using the display utility, as Matt described, before you print, click on View | Resize The dialog will show the existing geometry eg 640x480,0,0 Replace this with the number if pixels needed to fill the narrowest width of your page. For example, if your printer is looking for 300 dpi and you have 8inch X 10.5 inch printable area, the narrow direction is 2400 dpi so you would use 2400x2400. The "Constrain Ratio" checkbox is ticked by default so your resized image will be some different size with a max of 2400 Then do the File | Print sequence. I tried testing this and it works to a point. A small crop expands a larger box size, but not full width. My printer is a HP 950c using and my box uses CUPS to print to it. The IM display command prints to a postscript printer. I'm not sure what is going on with my setup and I don't have time to dig into it. (Nor do I have any idea where I would look!) From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 4 21:50:46 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:50:46 -0500 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903040338p666bb3a0t61fdfbda7a708dcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AEF7B6.9090604@tigershaunt.com> Thufir wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:38:19 -0200, Norberto Bensa wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Thufir wrote: >> >>> Is there something else which I should be doing? >> you can't kill other users processes (unless you're root ;-) ) > > I tried as root, pardon if I left that out. The session you pasted in your e-mail did not include your attempt to work as root or sudo. Would you be so kind as to repeat the attempt and paste the correct log? From ff809 at ncf.ca Wed Mar 4 21:54:00 2009 From: ff809 at ncf.ca (Brian Lunergan) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:54:00 -0500 Subject: Adding menu entries to Wine... In-Reply-To: References: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> Message-ID: <1236203640.16047.3.camel@brian-home> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 13:31 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > Hey Brian > > Programs run under wine aren't really any different than any other > program in the menus. > You just need a launcher to access them, and an apropriate logo. So, > in rather exhaustive detail, here we go > > 1 - Take a program you already have installed in Wine Not the Notepad > or Browse entries that are there by default, but one you've installed. > I'm assuming you've installed some thing else already. Right click > on it and choose 'add this launcher to desktop' This will be our > template. > > 2 - Go to your desktop and right click on the launcher, and choose 'Properties' > > 3 - Go to the Launcher tab in the Properties window (last one) > > 4 - Copy the entire string shown in the middle 'Command' box. > > 5 - Go to System -> Preferences -> Main Menu > > 6 - Pick the spot you want your new launcher on the tree on the left, > then choose new item on the right > > 7 - Leave it set as 'application', Name is whatever you want to call > it, and Comment is what will appear in the pop up box if you hover > your mouse over. > > 8 - Paste in the copied string into the 'Command' box, then edit it > for your application. For instance, I have one like this > env WINEPREFIX="/home/me/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\Lubrifiner.exe" > All you need to do is change the c:\Program Files to the right > location for your program > > 9 - Click on the springplate icon to pick a new icon - if you navigate > to ~/.wine/path to your program/ there is often a .ico file you can > use to get the 'correct' icon for the program > > 10 - Pitch the template launcher off your desktop Brian: Thanks very much. I'll give your instructions a try out and see how things go. Regards... -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 21:59:17 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:59:17 -0800 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... In-Reply-To: <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> References: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 03/04/2009 08:26 AM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >> Back to this again. A few months ago I posted a Q to this list about >> how to get CDs I rip named the way I want (TrackTitle--TrackArtist.mp3). >> If you recall, I was able to do it with grip. No. But perhaps you mean this thread? http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/153654 [Ripping mp3s....] >> Now, I got a similar issue. I like how Rhythmbox works (so far) with my >> iPod, but the problem lies with when I copy music off of it. Rhytmbox >> give me only a few options as to filename, none of which I really like. >> So I went into gconf editor, browsed down to apps\rhythmbox. There I >> changed library_layout_filename to %tt--%ta. But when I re-open >> Rhythmbox and go into the prefs, the filename area is blank. Looking >> back in gconf, that key is changed on me... Grrr!!! >> >> Now, IIRC Rhythmbox is based on gstreamer, so I've been looking around >> in gconf for something under gstreamer. So far no luck. I'm guessing >> that the file name options listed in Rhythmbox (and Sound Juicer) are >> stored in a config file somewhere? Can someone point me in the right >> direction? >> >> > > Apparently Mathieu Leplatre opened a bug about this: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/315405 > > But there's diddly for details, and it seems no one has looked at it yet... > Maybe? https://launchpad.net/rhythmbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox and http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/ http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/TagWriting http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html might help. easytag mentioned in the faq: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=easytag http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/easytag Note: I've not done any of this... just trying to point you in the right direction :-) From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 4 22:02:44 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:02:44 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <1236204164.5141.15.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:11 -0500, H.S. wrote: > Do you have network-manager-kde installed? If not, install it and > perhaps also kwirelessmonitor. You should be good to go then. But post > here if it still doesn't work. If these packages are not installed, the OP very likely is missing kubuntu-desktop. I'd suggest installing that to get the whole Kubuntu experience. From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 4 22:37:15 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:37:15 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49AEF6C7.2030506@comcast.net> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> <20090304103435.GD17165@v-shell-1> <49AEF6C7.2030506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090304223714.GC10415@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:46:47PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > On 03/04/2009 02:34 AM, Chris G wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:00:08PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > > > >> On 03/03/2009 07:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> > >>> Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full > >>> steps in another email. > >>> > >>> > >> Oops, my bad. And here I sent another reply. I wish I had seen this > >> and your other post for mouthing off . . . Again! > >> > >> As you'll see in my other reply, I was aware of display, but did not > >> realize it would do all of that. I had looked at the man page, but > >> understood the options to be command line, not what could be done while > >> looking at an image. Very interesting. > >> > >> Thanks for the pointer > >> > >> > > ... but, as I said, it doesn't do what I want. I can very easily > > select the part of the image I want and have it displayed in the > > ImageMagick window but I can't then get it to fill and A4 sheet when > > printed. > > > > ImageMagick's display utility is almost exactly what I want except for > > the printing bit. > > > In theory the following should work, but see my problem below. > > When using the display utility, as Matt described, before you print, > click on View | Resize The dialog will show the existing geometry eg > 640x480,0,0 Replace this with the number if pixels needed to fill the > narrowest width of your page. For example, if your printer is looking > for 300 dpi and you have 8inch X 10.5 inch printable area, the narrow > direction is 2400 dpi so you would use 2400x2400. The "Constrain Ratio" > checkbox is ticked by default so your resized image will be some > different size with a max of 2400 > > Then do the File | Print sequence. > > I tried testing this and it works to a point. A small crop expands a > larger box size, but not full width. My printer is a HP 950c using > and my box uses CUPS to print to it. The IM display command prints to a > postscript printer. I'm not sure what is going on with my setup and I > don't have time to dig into it. (Nor do I have any idea where I would look!) > It sort of works (as you say) but it is a bit clumsy, especially as resizing to 2400x results in a image which is several times the size of my screen. Not to mention I don't really see how I know what dpi "your printer is looking for", my printer's ultimate dpi is something like 1200x1200 I think. Strangely using a different application to print the image that ImageMagick has cropped gets me the result I want! So all I need do is crop the image to the bit I want with ImageMagick and then just open the image with another application (showPhoto was available so I used that, Firefox works OK too) and print it. It's not perfect but it's good enough, and I didn't need to install anything extra. -- Chris Green From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 22:38:09 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:38:09 -0800 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... In-Reply-To: References: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 03/04/2009 01:59 PM, NoOp wrote: > and > http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/ > http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ > http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/TagWriting > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html > might help. > > easytag mentioned in the faq: > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=easytag > http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/easytag > > Note: I've not done any of this... just trying to point you in the right > direction :-) Sorry, forgot to add that there is an aac version as well - but check the bug lists for both: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/easytag-aac From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 23:02:30 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:02:30 -0500 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... In-Reply-To: References: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49AF0886.8030207@sbcglobal.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/04/2009 08:26 AM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >>> Back to this again. A few months ago I posted a Q to this list about >>> how to get CDs I rip named the way I want (TrackTitle--TrackArtist.mp3). >>> If you recall, I was able to do it with grip. > > No. But perhaps you mean this thread? > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/153654 > [Ripping mp3s....] Yep, that's it. :) >>> Now, I got a similar issue. I like how Rhythmbox works (so far) with my >>> iPod, but the problem lies with when I copy music off of it. Rhytmbox >>> give me only a few options as to filename, none of which I really like. >>> So I went into gconf editor, browsed down to apps\rhythmbox. There I >>> changed library_layout_filename to %tt--%ta. But when I re-open >>> Rhythmbox and go into the prefs, the filename area is blank. Looking >>> back in gconf, that key is changed on me... Grrr!!! >>> >>> Now, IIRC Rhythmbox is based on gstreamer, so I've been looking around >>> in gconf for something under gstreamer. So far no luck. I'm guessing >>> that the file name options listed in Rhythmbox (and Sound Juicer) are >>> stored in a config file somewhere? Can someone point me in the right >>> direction? >>> >>> >> Apparently Mathieu Leplatre opened a bug about this: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/315405 >> >> But there's diddly for details, and it seems no one has looked at it yet... >> > > Maybe? > https://launchpad.net/rhythmbox > https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox > > > Thanks. A cursory scan doesn't pull up anything, but I'll look more in depth later. > and > http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/ > http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ > http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/TagWriting > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html > might help. > > easytag mentioned in the faq: > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=easytag > http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/easytag > > Note: I've not done any of this... just trying to point you in the right > direction :-) No prob. Any info is helpful. But judging by the soundjuicer bug report I pointed out earlier, I don't have too high hopes in my quest... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From p.echols at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 23:13:08 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:13:08 -0800 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090304223714.GC10415@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADEAEB.8040306@comcast.net> <49ADF3E8.8020404@gatech.edu> <49ADFCC8.5060807@comcast.net> <20090304103435.GD17165@v-shell-1> <49AEF6C7.2030506@comcast.net> <20090304223714.GC10415@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49AF0B04.6050401@comcast.net> On 03/04/2009 02:37 PM, Chris G wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:46:47PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: > >> On 03/04/2009 02:34 AM, Chris G wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:00:08PM -0800, Patton Echols wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 03/03/2009 07:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Which ImageMagick's display command can do easily. I just gave the full >>>>> steps in another email. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Oops, my bad. And here I sent another reply. I wish I had seen this >>>> and your other post for mouthing off . . . Again! >>>> >>>> As you'll see in my other reply, I was aware of display, but did not >>>> realize it would do all of that. I had looked at the man page, but >>>> understood the options to be command line, not what could be done while >>>> looking at an image. Very interesting. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the pointer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ... but, as I said, it doesn't do what I want. I can very easily >>> select the part of the image I want and have it displayed in the >>> ImageMagick window but I can't then get it to fill and A4 sheet when >>> printed. >>> >>> ImageMagick's display utility is almost exactly what I want except for >>> the printing bit. >>> >>> >> In theory the following should work, but see my problem below. >> >> When using the display utility, as Matt described, before you print, >> click on View | Resize The dialog will show the existing geometry eg >> 640x480,0,0 Replace this with the number if pixels needed to fill the >> narrowest width of your page. For example, if your printer is looking >> for 300 dpi and you have 8inch X 10.5 inch printable area, the narrow >> direction is 2400 dpi so you would use 2400x2400. The "Constrain Ratio" >> checkbox is ticked by default so your resized image will be some >> different size with a max of 2400 >> >> Then do the File | Print sequence. >> >> I tried testing this and it works to a point. A small crop expands a >> larger box size, but not full width. My printer is a HP 950c using >> and my box uses CUPS to print to it. The IM display command prints to a >> postscript printer. I'm not sure what is going on with my setup and I >> don't have time to dig into it. (Nor do I have any idea where I would look!) >> >> > It sort of works (as you say) but it is a bit clumsy, especially as > resizing to 2400x results in a image which is several times > the size of my screen. > > Not to mention I don't really see how I know what dpi "your printer is > looking for", my printer's ultimate dpi is something like 1200x1200 I > think. > > Yeah, I have thought about that since and concluded that it was something to do with how IM translates to postscript or what CUPS is doing with it after the fact. For my system, a small crop needs to be resized larger, but that is not the only problem. If anyone else out there has thoughts, I'm still curious, don't have a "need" but curious. Patton From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 4 23:27:46 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:27:46 -0800 Subject: problems getting ubuntu to work with orca In-Reply-To: <3b847c81-2594-49a8-8c31-5ec1e632778f@default> References: <3b847c81-2594-49a8-8c31-5ec1e632778f@default> Message-ID: On 03/04/2009 10:37 AM, Don Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry for the cross-posting, but I need to get ubuntu to work with > the orca screen reader ASAP. > > I have downloaded both the hardy and intrepid livecd's over the last > day, and tried to get both of them to work with no success. > > The steps I followed were: > > 1. insert the cd into the drive of my gateway desktop system. 2. boot > the system. 3. when I hear the cd start to spin, I press then 3 > to enable screen reader then . 4. wait for the drumroll to > identify that the system has booted successfully and gotten logged > in. I then wait for the cd to stop spinning, but orca never starts. > 5. press type "orca" and press > > I hear: "welcome to orca" but then nothing else. I have tried > repeating this step several times, but each time the results are the > same. > > I have even skipped the step where I press f5 on startup to see if > that makes a difference, but still nothing. > > Any tips/suggestions would be appreciated. Perhaps it's related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/191178 [orca problem with ubuntu live cd-s] You mentioned liveCD's & that report specifically mentions liveCD's - perhaps if you just wish to install I don't think the alternate CD has the same problems(s). I've a free test machine & drive that I can test with the alternate CD's if you'd like. I only have a copy of the 'original' hardy final liveCD (8.04) so I just tried: 1. insert the cd into the drive of my desktop system. 2. boot the system. 3. when I hear the cd start to spin, I press then 3 to enable screen reader then . I then hit enter again in order to boot into Ubuntu. 4. wait for the drumroll to identify that the system has booted successfully and gotten logged in. I then wait for the cd to stop spinning, but orca never starts. Orca started and provides me with a configuration menu for: - Keyboard Layout - Show Orca main window etc. These worked for me: - Screen magnifier - Speech I wonder if there were changes made between the original 8.04 and the current 8.04.2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ Anyone else on the list got a 8.04.2 liveCD that they can test with for Don? From erratic at devel.ws Thu Mar 5 00:18:26 2009 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:18:26 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu desktop & LVM2 In-Reply-To: References: <5061b39c0903022017x41fccce0od2d66a68807fc6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5061b39c0903041618h35bbf75bt4061a897031b1e9e@mail.gmail.com> ah k, thanks :) On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paige Thompson wrote: >> why do i always have to geek and dork around in order to install ubuntu >> desktop on lvm2 volumes? the feature was blatently taken from the installer >> and look at how much i care i still go way out of my way to have it. >> Seriously, why! > > taken?  Was always in the alternate, and never in the Live IIRC... > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From Ubuntu at BruneWorld.com Thu Mar 5 00:19:49 2009 From: Ubuntu at BruneWorld.com (Charlie Brune) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:19:49 -0600 Subject: REg- Ubuntu 8.04 Lts ser GUi suuport............ In-Reply-To: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> References: <1801b3e20903032247m20068504u4efc39422f558263@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AF1AA5.5010809@BruneWorld.com> V.C.Raju wrote: > Hi > i m installing ubuntu 8.04 LTS server . i m not able to graphical > mode, this version supporting gui mode or not,pls help me as soon as > possible. > > -- > Warm Regards > > V.C.Raju > I've read on the net that installing "ubuntu-desktop" will do what you want. Just type: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop I hope this helps, Charlie Brune From stephen_o at rogers.com Thu Mar 5 00:40:36 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: I'm having audio problems. In-Reply-To: <49AEC013.4060602@swhi.net> References: <49AE214D.4050200@rogers.com> <49AEC013.4060602@swhi.net> Message-ID: <49AF1F84.7030302@rogers.com> Ray Leventhal wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >> Hello everyone. >> >> I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on an intel dual core em64t computer. >> >> I have a p5ql pro mother board by ASUS >> >> Can anyone send me a link or tell me how I can find better drivers to >> use in ubuntu 8.10. >> > > I'm not sure, but: > > http://tinyurl.com/a9n52h > > Thank you Ray With the search you set up I have found a lot of info. I'm sure I will find a solution in there. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cemaaiem at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 01:11:48 2009 From: cemaaiem at yahoo.com (Cesar Augusto Suarez) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: install driver at startup Message-ID: <100630.28295.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi. I've installed a 536 chipset intel modem and the ifax software. this works well; however, every time i startup thes ystem, the modem doesnt work anymore, and i must tyo install it again,after that,it works again. how can i make a script to install themodem driver every time the system startup? ¡Sé el Bello 51 de People en Español! ¡Es tu oportunidad de Brillar! Sube tus fotos ya. http://www.51bello.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 5 01:46:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:46:56 -0500 Subject: How to get cron job to mail output only if non-empty In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903041732w5bcb82c7m9fd5b0c9dabdf964@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903041732w5bcb82c7m9fd5b0c9dabdf964@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AF2F10.9000408@gatech.edu> David Karr wrote: > I have a (root) cron job definition like the following: > > 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/clamscan --no-summary -r --reload > --log=/var/log/clamav/clamscan.log -i / | mail -s "Virus scan found > something" davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com > > This works fine when it finds something (I tested it with a fake virus > file), but what I didn't expect is that "mail" sends the mail even if the > output is empty. You're trying to reinvent the wheel. Read man cron: "When executing commands, any output is mailed to the owner of the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the crontab, if such exists)." Drop the mail -s "Virus scan found something" davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com and use MAILTO instead. cron will only send emails there when there is actual output. See also http://usertools.plus.net/tutorials/id/1 Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 5 02:02:59 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:02:59 -0500 Subject: cannot kill process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AF32D3.5060900@gatech.edu> Thufir wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:26:45 +0000, Thufir wrote: > >> referencing: >> http://java-monitor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22 > > on the google groups web page I thought someone had asked for this info, > but I don't see that message in gmane. I left out some details: > > > Tomcat 6.0 installed manually. That isn't relevant. As Rashkae said, post the output from the command using sudo kill -9 Matt Flaschen From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 02:10:08 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:10:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <194024.60643.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Mario Vukelic wrote: > From: Mario Vukelic > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:24 PM > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 09:16 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were > frowned upon. > > *Lazy* questions are frowned upon, i.e., those who > demonstrate that the > poster thinks it's ok to waste other's time in > order to save a few > minutes of his own time by not googling. > > I like that this list is more forgiving, but the result is > that some > people never learn to behave correctly (viz., Karl) > > Me thinks that it would be better just to not respond to Karl L. than to put him down verbally. YMMV, but that is the way I feel about it for anybody not just Karl. Do you actually know that Karl didn't google on his issue or just assuming he didn't. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 02:26:43 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:26:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <1236194524.5141.9.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <977250.28572.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Mario Vukelic wrote: > From: Mario Vukelic > Subject: Re: New heat grease, no help > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:22 PM > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 07:59 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > There are nice ways to tell someone they are not > posting in a correct > > approved way. > > Yes, the first 500 times you say it in nice ways. After > that, maybe not > so much. > > Come on Leonard, you know *exactly* what a burden Karl is > to the list. > It's nice of you to think of Karl's needs, but IMHO > it's wrong to simply > disregard the needs of those who have wasted countless > hours in an > effort to help him, or of those who continuously have to > wade through > his blogging emails, wrong advice, and the understandable > irritation > they cause. > Yes, I know of what you speak. However, he's not likely to change or even want to if he is constantly put down. I personally didn't think his post was all that bad, BTMO. And I have seen him criticized for something that actually worked and had tried myself. > I, personally, am sad that I had to filter his posts after > wasting many > hours of my own free time on him, in order not to start > posting nasty > relies all the time. > That's one way to handle it and not insult him. I do feel it's better to just ignore his posts in that regard or at least not to follow up if advise is offered and he does not act upon it and doesn't report the results which I've seen happen but always when he was being flamed unmercifully. In those cases, I may forget to report too and would certainly be defensive. Just another viewpoint on the matter from a person who was teased unmercifully from the time I was 5 yrs old because of an eye imbalance problem. Maybe I'm just too sensitive but better that way than being too cold hearted. > Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From robfleet at ix.netcom.com Thu Mar 5 02:40:55 2009 From: robfleet at ix.netcom.com (Rob) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:40:55 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> H.S.: Thanks very much. I now have KDE working on-line! Do you know of a similar fix for XFCE? Regarding sound, I don't see anything in KDE/System Settings/Computer Administration/Sound regarding "pulseaudio" or anything else that would give me a clue as to how to fix this non-working sound in KDE :( Perhaps, I'm missing something obvious? Best Regards, Rob On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:11 -0500, H.S. wrote: > Rob wrote: > > > > > 1. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious but, for the life of me, > > I cannot figger out how to connect to the Internet using KDE. I'm using > > Gnome right now and it has a little icon in the upper task bar that I > > can click on to go on line (I'm using wireless connectivity through a > > Linksys router on a lower floor which works fine in Gnome) but I can > > find no obvious way of doing the same thing in KDE. > > Do you have network-manager-kde installed? If not, install it and > perhaps also kwirelessmonitor. You should be good to go then. But post > here if it still doesn't work. > > This might ask you setup a password for KDE wallet. To save trouble, I > set it to the same as I my login password. > > > > 2. I cannot get sound to work in KDE. Has anyone cracked the code on > > this yet? It clearly tells me my sound is "broken" when I activate KDE > > but NOT how to fix it. > > If you are using pulseaudio, make sure you have ESD for "audio device" > in Hardware tab of sound system configuration. > > Make all the above changes and relogin and see how it goes. > > Regards. > > > > -- > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding > newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just > filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without > ever having been read. > > From bastill at adam.com.au Thu Mar 5 03:27:35 2009 From: bastill at adam.com.au (Brian Astill) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:57:35 +1030 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 - Top Posting In-Reply-To: <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <200903051357.35382.bastill@adam.com.au> After all the senseless discussion about "why NOT top post?" here is a real example of the mess that top-posting causes:- On Thursday 05 March 2009 13:10:55 Rob wrote: > H.S.: Thanks very much. I now have KDE working on-line! Do > you know of a similar fix for XFCE? > > Regarding sound, I don't see anything in KDE/System > Settings/Computer Administration/Sound regarding "pulseaudio" > or anything else that would give me a clue as to how to fix > this non-working sound in KDE :( Perhaps, I'm missing > something obvious? > > Best Regards, > Rob > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:11 -0500, H.S. wrote: > > Rob wrote: > > > 1. I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious but, for the > > > life of me, I cannot figger out how to connect to the > > > Internet using KDE. I'm using Gnome right now and it has a > > > little icon in the upper task bar that I can click on to go > > > on line (I'm using wireless connectivity through a Linksys > > > router on a lower floor which works fine in Gnome) but I > > > can find no obvious way of doing the same thing in KDE. > > > > Do you have network-manager-kde installed? If not, install it > > and perhaps also kwirelessmonitor. You should be good to go > > then. But post here if it still doesn't work. > > > > This might ask you setup a password for KDE wallet. To save > > trouble, I set it to the same as I my login password. > > > > > 2. I cannot get sound to work in KDE. Has anyone cracked > > > the code on this yet? It clearly tells me my sound is > > > "broken" when I activate KDE but NOT how to fix it. > > > > If you are using pulseaudio, make sure you have ESD for > > "audio device" in Hardware tab of sound system configuration. > > > > Make all the above changes and relogin and see how it goes. > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its > > corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my > > email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and > > get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- Regards, Brian From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 03:59:38 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:59:38 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: Rob wrote: > H.S.: Thanks very much. I now have KDE working on-line! Do you know of > a similar fix for XFCE? > > Regarding sound, I don't see anything in KDE/System Settings/Computer > Administration/Sound regarding "pulseaudio" or anything else that would > give me a clue as to how to fix this non-working sound in KDE :( > Perhaps, I'm missing something obvious? In a terminal, do: $> ps uax | grep pulse if you get something like this: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd fd=12 as a process, then you are running PA. Next, you need to go to KDE's control center and then to Sound section, and in Hardware you need to choose Enlightened Sound Daemon. If you are not running pulseaudio, then we will do this in a different way. Regards. PS: Mind the comments about top posting. Advice: use bottom posting and trimming. Avoid top posting. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:00:27 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:00:27 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: Rob wrote: > H.S.: Thanks very much. I now have KDE working on-line! Do you know of > a similar fix for XFCE? > > Regarding sound, I don't see anything in KDE/System Settings/Computer BTW, you are not using KDE4, are you? -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:22:42 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:22:42 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236200040.6663.5.camel@UpstairsRob> <1236220855.9626.3.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: Rob wrote: > H.S.: Thanks very much. I now have KDE working on-line! Do you know of > a similar fix for XFCE? Search google. One way is to define the wireless stuff in networking file. The othe way is to install wicd. But, google is your friends, consult it first. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 04:23:27 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:23:27 -0800 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts Message-ID: Anyone here have any experience/advise on how to view/use NOAA BSB/RNC/KAP Raster Navigational Charts w/Ubuntu/linux? For example, I can view a chart in swf here: http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml I can download an RNC chart: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/charts.htm#Catalog http://www.charts.noaa.gov/RNCs/Agreement.shtml?18649 [Click OK to download 18649.zip ] and I can extract the zip w/rnc/kap files. Web searching turns up this: http://smittypaddler.com/chartview/tutorial/noaa.htm [Chartview - Downloading and using NOAA Raster Navigational Charts (RNCs)] which I've not ventured into just yet, and http://libbsb.sourceforge.net/ Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml for printing? From kassube at gmx.net Thu Mar 5 06:55:12 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:55:12 +0100 Subject: install driver at startup In-Reply-To: <100630.28295.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <100630.28295.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903050755.12692.kassube@gmx.net> Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > I've installed a 536 chipset intel modem and the ifax software. > this works well; however, every time i startup thes ystem, the modem > doesnt work anymore, and i must tyo install it again,after that,it > works again. how can i make a script to install themodem driver every > time the system startup? If you know how to write scripts you can invoke it in /etc/rc.local before the "exit 0" line. If you want us to help you write the script we need to know the commands to install the driver. Nils From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Thu Mar 5 07:07:37 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:07:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > I seem to be fated on this quest! I'm running a 64-bit system and, > although there *appears* to be a 64-bit rpm for xv at the above site > it's a broken link. Actually, some links are broken, but the following works: wget http://atrpms.net/dist/f8/xv/xv-3.10a-37.fc8.x86_64.rpm -- Pierre Frenkiel From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Thu Mar 5 07:37:38 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:37:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Brian McKee wrote: > Can you give us a specific example? I know I print multiple page > websites from time to time and haven't noticed an issue. As a matter > of fact, I know of one site that prints better with FF than with IE7 > on Windows. here are 2 examples, from the same site: http://www.leroymerlin.fr/mpng2-front/pre?zone=zonerecherche&intuitiontodo=searchproductsfamily&family=panneaux-amenagement&photovisible=1&pageid=71&presentationid=2&promo=1 the welcome page has the same issue http://www.leroymerlin.fr/ It's surely related to bad html codes, but as I said, Google shows that there are a lot of them. PS: the print preview is enough for checking -- Pierre Frenkiel From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 5 07:48:54 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:48:54 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <194024.60643.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <194024.60643.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1236239334.5141.20.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:10 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > Me thinks that it would be better just to not respond to Karl L. than > to put him down verbally. YMMV, but that is the way I feel about it > for anybody not just Karl. You know how often I did that. > Do you actually know that Karl didn't google on his issue or just > assuming he didn't. I know that this was, yet again, one of the infamous blogging posts he sends about his general state of mind and computing, and that it had nothing whatsoever to do with Ubuntu. This is IMHO ok to do once in a while, but not at Karl's frequency. Imagine if every list user acted that way. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 5 07:55:50 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:55:50 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <977250.28572.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <977250.28572.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1236239750.5141.27.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 18:26 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > I personally didn't think his post was all that bad, BTMO. This one post, no. In total, yes > And I have seen him criticized for something that actually worked and had tried myself. "Wie man in den Wald ruft, so schallt es zurück" > agreed > Just another viewpoint on the matter from a person who was teased > unmercifully from the time I was 5 yrs old because of an eye imbalance > problem. Maybe I'm just too sensitive but better that way than being > too cold hearted. I know how that is, but Karl was treated exceptionally well on this list for the longest time, given the way he behaved from the start. He is extremely rarely being teased, just told to behave, and has been for literally years. With all due consideration for whatever condition he has/is in, it's no surprise if other list users sometimes simply snap. From martin at autotelic.com Thu Mar 5 10:33:58 2009 From: martin at autotelic.com (Dave M G) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:58 +0900 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time Message-ID: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> Ubuntu, Following instructions on the web, I created the "Private" directory on my computer and set it to be encrypted. Seems to work fine and protects the contents of my directory from being read by non-logged in users. However, I have files which I would like to protect just a little differently. With the "Private" directory, when I am logged into my account, the files in that directory behave essentially like any files in any other directory. That directory is opened automatically when I log in. What I would like to have is another, separate, directory that requires a password to open even to me when I am logged in. Ideally, not only could I "open" the directory with a password, I could set it as "closed" again when I am done with the files within it. Is such a thing possible? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you. -- Dave M G From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Thu Mar 5 12:45:48 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:45:48 -0500 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> NoOp wrote: > > Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? > > Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in > http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml > for printing? > > Both of those work pretty well, I think. I work for a non-profit ISP that provides the NWS weather data to NOAA, so I know a bit about these things. Most of the guys here in Asheville (home of the largest weather data archive on the planet) use them both to varying degrees based on talks with them. I've never used them myself, but I've had to help compile them on odd procs before. Itanium2 especially. HTH. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 5 13:29:48 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:29:48 -0700 Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090305062948.2d14734c@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:12:47 -0500 Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Frenkiel > wrote: > > > > It happened some time ago that Firefox (FX3) truncated > > a web page I tried to print. I first thought that it was > > related to a bad html code, but now I discovered that this > > happens with a lot of web pages, which all print > > perfectly with Internet Explorer. A short google call > > with "firefox truncating web pages" gaves me about 70000 hits, but > > no real fix (I must confess I didn't read the 70000 entries) > > I tried with FX2 and seamonkey with the same result: only 1 page > > printed (idem with the print preview) > > > > Has anybody a workaround ? > > Can you give us a specific example? I know I print multiple page > websites from time to time and haven't noticed an issue. As a matter > of fact, I know of one site that prints better with FF than with IE7 > on Windows. I suspect it's a case of either poor standards support > or just a lousy standard, but perhaps there's a work around. > > Brian > I don't have Internet Explorer, but I do know this page won't print as displayed in Firefox: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From diesch at spamfence.net Thu Mar 5 15:05:10 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:05:10 +0100 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> (Mario Vukelic's message of "Wed\, 04 Mar 2009 20\:24\:55 +0100") References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 09:16 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. > > *Lazy* questions are frowned upon, i.e., those who demonstrate that the > poster thinks it's ok to waste other's time in order to save a few > minutes of his own time by not googling. > > I like that this list is more forgiving, but the result is that some > people never learn to behave correctly (viz., Karl) Personally I usually think people trying to teach others to behave correctly are much more annoying than people asking lazy questions. If you don't like to read Karl's postings why don't you just killfile him, or at least discuss the matter off list? Florian -- From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 5 15:10:48 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:10:48 -0500 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <49AFEB78.3050206@chrononomicon.com> Florian Diesch wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 09:16 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >>> it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. >> *Lazy* questions are frowned upon, i.e., those who demonstrate that the >> poster thinks it's ok to waste other's time in order to save a few >> minutes of his own time by not googling. >> >> I like that this list is more forgiving, but the result is that some >> people never learn to behave correctly (viz., Karl) > > Personally I usually think people trying to teach others to behave > correctly are much more annoying than people asking lazy questions. > > If you don't like to read Karl's postings why don't you just killfile > him, or at least discuss the matter off list? Or we could send a message to the list hosting company and ask them to shut down the list, and everyone's pet peeves with each other on the list will go away? From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 5 14:17:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:17:24 -0400 Subject: What's wrong with cron? [SOLVED] References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> <49AEC605.30001@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <1496366.ZuLftn5e2p@cedar.serverforest.com> Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > Lorenzo Luengo escribió: >> Derek Broughton escribió: >> >>> It would probably have helped if you'd pasted at least that line from >>> the >>> crontab. (I trust you do mean /etc/crontab, not _root's_ crontab - >>> which wouldn't have a username field). >>> >>> >> You're right... but let me ask a question... >> >> Is there a difference between system crontab and root user crontab?? How >> can you make a difference between both?? (I mean how do you edit them) >> >> I'm doing "crontab -e" under a "sudo -i" shell. >> > Hmmm I just realized. root crontab is no /etc/crontab, and in my system, Precisely. > root's crontab was a copy-paste of system crontab, and that was > generating the problems. Indeed. I'm not actually sure what the correct way to edit /etc/crontab is - I always just edited it :-) These days I usually use kcron, which differentiates between the "system" cron and "root". -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 5 14:23:08 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:23:08 -0400 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903040637m6882681fpbd418fa7ffbf4180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1909799.odbUPrMdUa@cedar.serverforest.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Lorenzo Luengo > wrote: >> Norberto Bensa escribió: > This is not a samba problem. You need chmod go+x in Andres and > Biblioteca if you want users in fileshare and everyone else to access > that directory. > Or of course just "g+x" if you just want everybody in "fileshare" group to be able to list the directory contents. >> >> I still keep thinking it's a bug. > > It's a feature. It's a kludge :-) That is, the "x" attribute is overloaded and only means "eXecute" when the object is a file; it means "allow reading of the directory contents - "aXxess" :-) - on directories. But it's a kludge that dates back to the very earliest days of Unix, and it can hardly be changed at this point. In any case, it beats some of the really odd things Windows does with permission attributes... -- derek From richardkimber at btinternet.com Thu Mar 5 15:16:56 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:16:56 +0000 Subject: What's wrong with cron? [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1496366.ZuLftn5e2p@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> <49AEC605.30001@dgeo.udec.cl> <1496366.ZuLftn5e2p@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090305151656.28454b5b@infinity.localnet> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:17:24 -0400 Derek Broughton wrote: > Indeed. I'm not actually sure what the correct way to > edit /etc/crontab is - I always just edited it :-) These days I > usually use kcron, which differentiates between the "system" cron and > "root". -- Is kcron a stand-alone app, or must one be using KDE? - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From nbensa at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:18:54 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:18:54 -0200 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files In-Reply-To: <1909799.odbUPrMdUa@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903040637m6882681fpbd418fa7ffbf4180@mail.gmail.com> <1909799.odbUPrMdUa@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903050718k7d1abbb4of278aecd23f20e66@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > But it's a kludge that dates back to the very earliest days of Unix, and it > can hardly be changed at this point.  In any case, it beats some of the > really odd things Windows does with permission attributes... Microsoft Windows has more complex attibutes that only a superior intelligence like the Asgard[1] can understand. "x" isn't that hard to understand once you know "x" in files means "execute" and "x" in directories mean "list files" Regards, Norberto [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard_(Stargate) From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:32:46 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Brian McKee wrote: > >> Can you give us a specific example?  I know I print multiple page >> websites from time to time and haven't noticed an issue.  As a matter >> of fact, I know of one site that prints better with FF than with IE7 >> on Windows. > >    the welcome page has the same issue >    http://www.leroymerlin.fr/ In this case I'm sure the flash is a big part of it - how do you print a movie? You'll notice the flash just isn't in the printout at all. Charlie's example is more interesting http://www.ubuntulinux.org/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate That's really mucked up at the computer I'm at right now - FF3 on OSX Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:42:04 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:42:04 -0500 Subject: Adding menu entries to Wine... In-Reply-To: <1236203640.16047.3.camel@brian-home> References: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> <1236203640.16047.3.camel@brian-home> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Brian Lunergan wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 13:31 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > > > Thanks very much. > > I'll give your instructions a try out and see how things go. Let me know how it works out - think I'll turn it into a blog post if you can follow it ok. Brian From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 16:09:19 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:09:19 -0800 Subject: Trying to rescue data from a bad SD card References: <5372290.31236188676299.JavaMail.root@mail1> Message-ID: On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:44:36 -0900, Damien Hull wrote: >[...] > [53778.934622] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Sense Key : Not > Ready [current] [53778.934639] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: Add. > Sense: Medium not present [53778.934649] end_request: I/O error, dev > sdb, sector 12496 [53778.934659] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 538 [53778.934673] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 539 [53778.934679] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 540 [53778.934685] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 541 [53778.934691] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 542 [53778.934698] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 543 [53778.934704] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 544 [53778.934710] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, > logical block 545 [53778.938230] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device not ready: > Sense Key : Not Ready [current] [53778.938247] sd 25:0:0:0: [sdb] Device > not ready: Add. Sense: Medium not present [53778.938257] end_request: > I/O error, dev sdb, sector 12496 [53778.938265] Buffer I/O error on > device sdb1, logical block 538 > This looks very much like a hint to me. Did you by chance run a file system check on the unmounted device? Don't know if that would help or not but might be worth trying. From rbragg at gmnet.net Thu Mar 5 16:16:39 2009 From: rbragg at gmnet.net (Rick Bragg) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:16:39 -0500 Subject: Swami Instrument Editor Saving Problem Message-ID: <1236269799.6744.55.camel@thor> Hi, I'm trying to use swami instrument editor, but every time I select the save or save-as from the file menu, nothing happens. Any Ideas? Rick I tried using ubuntu 8.10 desktop 64 bit, and I have tried both the generic, and real-time kernels. Also I tried on my 32bit laptop. thanks Rick -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Green Mountain Network, and is believed to be clean. From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 16:37:44 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:37:44 -0500 Subject: Naming mp3 files in Rhythmbox... In-Reply-To: <49AF0886.8030207@sbcglobal.net> References: <49ADE11B.30409@sbcglobal.net> <49AEABBF.8090105@sbcglobal.net> <49AF0886.8030207@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49AFFFD8.5090302@sbcglobal.net> David Woyciesjes wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 03/04/2009 08:26 AM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >>> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >>>> .... Rhytmbox >>>> give me only a few options as to filename, none of which I really like. >>>> So I went into gconf editor, browsed down to apps\rhythmbox. There I >>>> changed library_layout_filename to %tt--%ta. But when I re-open >>>> Rhythmbox and go into the prefs, the filename area is blank. Looking >>>> back in gconf, that key is changed on me... Grrr!!! >>>> >>>> Now, IIRC Rhythmbox is based on gstreamer, so I've been looking around >>>> in gconf for something under gstreamer. So far no luck. I'm guessing >>>> that the file name options listed in Rhythmbox (and Sound Juicer) are >>>> stored in a config file somewhere? Can someone point me in the right >>>> direction? >>>> >>>> >>> Apparently Mathieu Leplatre opened a bug about this: >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/315405 >>> >>> But there's diddly for details, and it seems no one has looked at it yet... >>> >> Maybe? >> https://launchpad.net/rhythmbox >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox >> >> >> > > Thanks. A cursory scan doesn't pull up anything, but I'll look more in > depth later. > >> and >> http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/ >> http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ >> http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/TagWriting >> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html >> might help. >> >> easytag mentioned in the faq: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=easytag >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/easytag >> >> Note: I've not done any of this... just trying to point you in the right >> direction :-) > > No prob. Any info is helpful. But judging by the soundjuicer bug report > I pointed out earlier, I don't have too high hopes in my quest... > Well, I'm still not finding anything. Of course, I'm also running out of ideas on what exactly to search for... My next thought is to search inside the files on this machine for "Artist - Title" which is one of the available filename formats. I'm thinking that file would be the one I need to edit to create the filename pattern I want. IIRC, grep is the command I'm looking for. I wonder if there is a gui frontend for it? Time to crack open Synaptic again... :) -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From ubuntu at swhi.net Thu Mar 5 16:41:31 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:41:31 -0500 Subject: I'm having audio problems. In-Reply-To: <49AF1F84.7030302@rogers.com> References: <49AE214D.4050200@rogers.com> <49AEC013.4060602@swhi.net> <49AF1F84.7030302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49B000BB.4040602@swhi.net> >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone. >>> >>> I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on an intel dual core em64t computer. >>> I have a p5ql pro mother board by ASUS >>> Can anyone send me a link or tell me how I can find better drivers to >>> use in ubuntu 8.10. >> >> I'm not sure, but: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/a9n52h >> > Thank you Ray > > With the search you set up I have found a lot of info. I'm sure I will > find a solution in there. > > Stephen Hi Stephen, I'm glad that the search seems to have pointed you in the right direction but I also hope the subtle message wasn't missed. -Ray From michaelg at seadreamer.net Thu Mar 5 16:49:07 2009 From: michaelg at seadreamer.net (Michael) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:49:07 -0800 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B00283.4030008@seadreamer.net> NoOp wrote: > Anyone here have any experience/advise on how to view/use NOAA > BSB/RNC/KAP Raster Navigational Charts w/Ubuntu/linux? > > For example, I can view a chart in swf here: > http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml > > I can download an RNC chart: > http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/charts.htm#Catalog > http://www.charts.noaa.gov/RNCs/Agreement.shtml?18649 > [Click OK to download 18649.zip ] > and I can extract the zip w/rnc/kap files. > > Web searching turns up this: > http://smittypaddler.com/chartview/tutorial/noaa.htm > [Chartview - Downloading and using NOAA Raster Navigational Charts (RNCs)] > which I've not ventured into just yet, > and > http://libbsb.sourceforge.net/ > > Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? > > Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in > http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml > for printing? > > > There is a navigation software that uses noaa bsb or enc charts called "opencpn" you can get it at http://bigdumboat.com/cpnfaq.html Mike From ender8282 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 17:48:43 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:48:43 -0700 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [OT - Cox.net] Re: cable broadband and dialup modem In-Reply-To: References: <49AC8ED9.4080909@cmc.net> <49AC9419.8070302@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49B0107B.7050905@yahoo.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/03/2009 12:12 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, NoOp wrote: >> >> >>> On 03/02/2009 07:39 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: >>> >> ............snip............ >> >> >>>> The upshot is that I want as little to do with Cox as possible. >>>> >>>> >>> Email Server News Server >>> POP Server: pop.west.cox.net >>> SMTP Server: smtp.west.cox.net >>> news.west.cox.net >>> >> Uhm....if I wasn't aware of this I wouldn't be able to send/receive mail >> to/from this list. >> > > Depends - you may have been posting from a gmane.org server rather than > an email account. > > >>> But if you are having problems with their news/mail, why not just use >>> them as a transport and set up news/mail with a 3rd party? For instance, >>> you can still get e-mail accounts via Sonic if you wish: >>> http://www.sonic.net/sales/hosting/ and there are many others (less >>> expensive). I'm sure that as a previous customer of Sonic that Dane >>> Jasper & crew would be happy to work with you. >>> >> I kept my sonic account alive when I went to Cox. I have already tried >> posting thru their news server (news.sonic.net) but had the same problem >> with posts to moderated groups not showing up. I even got a Giganews >> account to try. Still no joy. The only common denominator in all this is >> that my mail to the various news servers is going thru Cox's SMTP server. >> Why that would contribute to the problem is beyond me but going thru a >> dialup modem would bypass Cox and confirm whether or not their SMTP >> server is at fault. What have I missed? >> > > The cox.net groups? Is it just news or *both* email and news that you > are having issue with? > Either way, it appears that it's not an Ubuntu issue so I'll drop out > of the [OT - Cox.net] subthread and let you get back to connecting both > dial and cable. My apologies for the interuption. > > > I came in late so if this is already know my apologies. Cox blocks port 25 unless it is going to their mail server. If you are inside of the COX network you either have to send to their servers, or send to another server using a port other than 25 (port 587 is usually used for secure authenticated email routing). -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Mar 5 16:50:10 2009 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:50:10 -0700 Subject: wubi/ubuntu Message-ID: <49B002C2.2010306@earthlink.net> / I finally have Ubuntu/wubi downloaded, It's in windows xp, in explore-programs. Now what do I do to start Ubuntu. I clicked on install, get boot, cust install, mds sums, etc then what? Appreciate suggestions, Thanks john / From thezorch at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 17:59:53 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:59:53 -0500 Subject: wubi/ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49B002C2.2010306@earthlink.net> References: <49B002C2.2010306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM, John Heinen wrote: > /  I finally have Ubuntu/wubi downloaded, It's in windows xp, in > explore-programs. > Now what do I do to start Ubuntu.  I clicked on install, get boot, cust > install, mds sums, etc then what? > Appreciate suggestions, Thanks  john > / Ok, first of all did you get a Window that let you choose the size of the drive Ubuntu would be installed into, and that let you set your username and password? If you passed this step and the MD5 Sums part is where Wubi downloads the Ubuntu image file from the Internet and creates the virtual drive partition. At this point Ubuntu isn't fully installed yet. You need to reboot your computer, and before the Windows loading screen appears you should get a menu. Choose Ubuntu on this menu and Ubuntu should start and begin installing itself to the virtual partition. That process takes 10 to 20 minutes depending on the speed of your hard drive. Good luck. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 5 17:43:22 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:43:22 -0400 Subject: What's wrong with cron? [SOLVED] References: <49AE8411.4030707@dgeo.udec.cl> <1422611.zg5nWGfiug@cedar.serverforest.com> <49AEC347.1050606@dgeo.udec.cl> <49AEC605.30001@dgeo.udec.cl> <1496366.ZuLftn5e2p@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090305151656.28454b5b@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <2360714.5MyVMia46a@cedar.serverforest.com> R Kimber wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:17:24 -0400 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Indeed. I'm not actually sure what the correct way to >> edit /etc/crontab is - I always just edited it :-) These days I >> usually use kcron, which differentiates between the "system" cron and >> "root". -- > > Is kcron a stand-alone app, or must one be using KDE? Well, its only KDE dependency is kdelibs - but that's pretty much the basis of KDE... You might also consider gcrontab, which is GTK based. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 18:22:39 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:22:39 -0800 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> References: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 02:33 AM, Dave M G wrote: > > What I would like to have is another, separate, directory that requires > a password to open even to me when I am logged in. > > Ideally, not only could I "open" the directory with a password, I could > set it as "closed" again when I am done with the files within it. > > Is such a thing possible? TrueCrypt. From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Mar 5 17:31:11 2009 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:31:11 -0700 Subject: wubi/ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49B002C2.2010306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49B00C5F.5060701@earthlink.net> Michael Haney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM, John Heinen wrote: > >> / I finally have Ubuntu/wubi downloaded, It's in windows xp, in >> explore-programs. >> Now what do I do to start Ubuntu. I clicked on install, get boot, cust >> install, mds sums, etc then what? >> Appreciate suggestions, Thanks john >> / >> > > Ok, first of all did you get a Window that let you choose the size of > the drive Ubuntu would be installed into, and that let you set your > username and password? If you passed this step and the MD5 Sums part > is where Wubi downloads the Ubuntu image file from the Internet and > creates the virtual drive partition. At this point Ubuntu isn't fully > installed yet. You need to reboot your computer, and before the > Windows loading screen appears you should get a menu. Choose Ubuntu > on this menu and Ubuntu should start and begin installing itself to > the virtual partition. That process takes 10 to 20 minutes depending > on the speed of your hard drive. Good luck. > > > I do have a bit of a problem though, I allready have listed on the grub install ubuntu 8.o4 .i twice and another one ubuntu memtest 86+ They are all on the same hard drive. Messy! How do I clear those? From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 5 18:40:13 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:40:13 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:07:37AM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > > > I seem to be fated on this quest! I'm running a 64-bit system and, > > although there *appears* to be a 64-bit rpm for xv at the above site > > it's a broken link. > > Actually, some links are broken, but the following works: > > wget http://atrpms.net/dist/f8/xv/xv-3.10a-37.fc8.x86_64.rpm > OK, I have xv installed and working, however it doesn't do what I want still, it actually works rather the same as imageMakgick. I have done what you said:- After that, it takes 30 seconds to get what you want: xv myfile right button to get the menu click and drag with button 1 to select the rectangle area click on crop click on print ... ... and the result is a small image printed in the middle of my sheet of A4 paper, it doesn't print the cropped image expanded to fill the whole sheet. -- Chris Green From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 19:02:15 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:02:15 -0800 Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: <20090305062948.2d14734c@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090305062948.2d14734c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 05:29 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:12:47 -0500 > Brian McKee wrote: >> Can you give us a specific example? I know I print multiple page >> websites from time to time and haven't noticed an issue. As a matter >> of fact, I know of one site that prints better with FF than with IE7 >> on Windows. I suspect it's a case of either poor standards support >> or just a lousy standard, but perhaps there's a work around. > > I don't have Internet Explorer, but I do know this page won't print as > displayed in Firefox: > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate > > FWIW it's not an Ubuntu related issue; I have both FireFox and SeaMonkey (versions 1.1.14, 1.1.15, and 2.0a3) installed directly from Mozilla - not Ubuntu - and they all experience the same problem. I suspect it is this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154892 [Splitting Absolutely positioned frames not implemented - Missing second page of content when printing or print previewing this site] But, I'd put on a flameproof suit before attempting to reopen that bug. I'm sure there are others still open that address this, but I can't find them by just scanning bugzilla (there are too many related). Best bet would be to point your newsreader to news.mozilla.org and then subscribe to: mozilla.support.firefox mozilla.dev.apps.firefox for a current status on what's being done to fix the issue. If you submit, or tag on to an Ubuntu/launchpad bug, the maintainer will just do the same. So, eliminate the maintainer & go to the source... I'll raise the issue using that particular url on mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. Opera, on the otherhand, prints all 7 pages to cups-pdf. That's probably a better browser/client to compare when reporting to the mozilla folks... they tend to get a little testy when you throw IE at them :-) From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Thu Mar 5 19:05:15 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:05:15 -0300 Subject: Samba problem, does not show files [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1909799.odbUPrMdUa@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49AD7F1B.6030600@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903031940h27d961a4g169eb1ac515448d3@mail.gmail.com> <49AE7D30.5080307@dgeo.udec.cl> <84250c9c0903040637m6882681fpbd418fa7ffbf4180@mail.gmail.com> <1909799.odbUPrMdUa@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B0226B.6090507@dgeo.udec.cl> Derek Broughton escribió: >> This is not a samba problem. You need chmod go+x in Andres and >> Biblioteca if you want users in fileshare and everyone else to access >> that directory. >> >> > Or of course just "g+x" if you just want everybody in "fileshare" group to > be able to list the directory contents. > Cool! it just worked smoothly!!! :D >>> I still keep thinking it's a bug. >>> >> It's a feature. >> > > It's a kludge :-) That is, the "x" attribute is overloaded and only > means "eXecute" when the object is a file; it means "allow reading of the > directory contents - "aXxess" :-) - on directories. > > But it's a kludge that dates back to the very earliest days of Unix, and it > can hardly be changed at this point. In any case, it beats some of the > really odd things Windows does with permission attributes... > :S I didn't know of this "feature". I always thought that the 'x' permission only was meaningful for files. Thanks everyone that helped building on this solution! -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 19:06:08 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:06:08 -0800 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> References: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 04:45 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> >> Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? >> >> Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in >> http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml >> for printing? >> >> > > Both of those work pretty well, I think. I work for a non-profit ISP > that provides the NWS weather data to NOAA, so I know a bit about these > things. Most of the guys here in Asheville (home of the largest weather > data archive on the planet) use them both to varying degrees based on > talks with them. I've never used them myself, but I've had to help > compile them on odd procs before. Itanium2 especially. Thanks! I'll give them a try this weekend & post back on how it goes. From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Thu Mar 5 19:24:30 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:24:30 -0500 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: References: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49B026EE.5090902@ercbroadband.org> NoOp wrote: > On 03/05/2009 04:45 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >> NoOp wrote: >> >>> Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? >>> >>> Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in >>> http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml >>> for printing? >>> >>> >> Both of those work pretty well, I think. I work for a non-profit ISP >> that provides the NWS weather data to NOAA, so I know a bit about these >> things. Most of the guys here in Asheville (home of the largest weather >> data archive on the planet) use them both to varying degrees based on >> talks with them. I've never used them myself, but I've had to help >> compile them on odd procs before. Itanium2 especially. > > Thanks! I'll give them a try this weekend & post back on how it goes. > > > Please do. May I inquire as to the reason for you using/needing these? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From jh+ubuntu at daria.co.uk Thu Mar 5 19:26:20 2009 From: jh+ubuntu at daria.co.uk (Jonathan Hudson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts References: Message-ID: On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:23:27 -0800, NoOp wrote: >Anyone here have any experience/advise on how to view/use NOAA >BSB/RNC/KAP Raster Navigational Charts w/Ubuntu/linux? > qgis will display and print BSB (.kap) files. -jh From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 19:29:25 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:29:25 -0800 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: <49B00283.4030008@seadreamer.net> References: <49B00283.4030008@seadreamer.net> Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 08:49 AM, Michael wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> >> Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? >> >> Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in >> http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml >> for printing? >> >> >> > There is a navigation software that uses noaa bsb or enc charts called > "opencpn" you can get it at > > http://bigdumboat.com/cpnfaq.html Cool! Got it installed, managed to crash it, but looks to be a project that I won't mind participating in & playing with: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f121/opencpn-13653.html Thanks again. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 19:39:37 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:39:37 -0500 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> References: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Dave M G wrote: > Ubuntu, > > Following instructions on the web, I created the "Private" directory on > my computer and set it to be encrypted. Seems to work fine and protects > the contents of my directory from being read by non-logged in users. I'm not sure what directions you followed on the web - but I'm *guessing* that the passwords and encryptions setup is automatically unencrypting and reencrypting that folder for you when you log in. If you poke around in it you should be able to remove the auto feature from that folder... or manually change the associated password and never tell it what the password is. I know I'm being hazy here, but I'm hoping it's a pointer in the right direction. Brian From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Thu Mar 5 19:48:29 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:48:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > click on print ... > > ... and the result is a small image printed in the middle of my sheet > of A4 paper, it doesn't print the cropped image expanded to fill the > whole sheet. the size is displayed in the "print" window, in inches and centimeters. You have several ways to modify it: 1/ using one of the 2 clock hands 2/ clicking on << or >> to decrease/increase 3/ clicking on < or > for fine tuning 4/ clicking on the "max" tab the "center" and "origin" tabs may also be useful Note that clicking in the check box below the 2 clocks make the width and height tuning independent May-be I should have say that in my previous post, but I thought it was obvious -- Pierre Frenkiel From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 20:07:00 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:07:00 -0800 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: <49B026EE.5090902@ercbroadband.org> References: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> <49B026EE.5090902@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 11:24 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 03/05/2009 04:45 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >>> NoOp wrote: >>> >>>> Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? >>>> >>>> Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in >>>> http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml >>>> for printing? >>>> >>>> >>> Both of those work pretty well, I think. I work for a non-profit ISP >>> that provides the NWS weather data to NOAA, so I know a bit about these >>> things. Most of the guys here in Asheville (home of the largest weather >>> data archive on the planet) use them both to varying degrees based on >>> talks with them. I've never used them myself, but I've had to help >>> compile them on odd procs before. Itanium2 especially. >> >> Thanks! I'll give them a try this weekend & post back on how it goes. > > Please do. May I inquire as to the reason for you using/needing these? > > During the racing season (sailing) I work on-water Race Committee in the 18649 area (San Francisco Bay). I normally work deep water near the Golden Gate Bridge. However, the courses are not always the same & some some are in quite shallow water. So, I want to print out sections that I commonly set race courses in & keep in my backpack so that it's easy for me to pre-set lines & anchors before going out to set the racing marks. I did manage to get opencpn (Mike's suggestion) to bring up the chart (thanks Mike!) but having some issues getting that program to print. For the time being, zooming in to the area I need & taking a screenshot works great. From nlubbers at shopthepig.com Thu Mar 5 20:18:39 2009 From: nlubbers at shopthepig.com (Lubbers, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:18:39 -0600 Subject: Imaging a 8.04 Server In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1><8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com><49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1><20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> I need some quick advice for a bootable cd similar to ghost to clone an entire server. The disks are in raid 5 with logical partitioning set up. Filesystem is ext3. I've had very good luck with clonezilla live previously but I am having issues with it cloning this particular server (Dell T300). The server currently is in production and I've made several attempts using clonezilla. I cannot afford to have much more downtime and need to look for a different imaging solution. Thanks All From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 5 20:23:52 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:23:52 +0000 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:48:29PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > > > click on print ... > > > > ... and the result is a small image printed in the middle of my sheet > > of A4 paper, it doesn't print the cropped image expanded to fill the > > whole sheet. > the size is displayed in the "print" window, in inches and centimeters. > You have several ways to modify it: > 1/ using one of the 2 clock hands > 2/ clicking on << or >> to decrease/increase > 3/ clicking on < or > for fine tuning > 4/ clicking on the "max" tab > The size *isn't* displayed when I click on 'Print', I just get a pop-up box saying "Print: Enter a command that will read a PostScript file from stdin and print it to the desired printer.", plus a few more bits and pieces, a text entry field with "lpr" in it and "Color", "Grayscale", "B/W" and "Cancel" buttons at the bottom. > the "center" and "origin" tabs may also be useful > Note that clicking in the check box below the 2 clocks > make the width and height tuning independent > > May-be I should have say that in my previous post, but I thought it was obvious > It would probably have been obvious if it was there! :-) Is it related to the printer driver rather than xv maybe? -- Chris Green From nlubbers at shopthepig.com Thu Mar 5 20:27:24 2009 From: nlubbers at shopthepig.com (Lubbers, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:27:24 -0600 Subject: Imaging a 8.04 Server In-Reply-To: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1><8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com><49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu><49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu><20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1><20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> Message-ID: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30C@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> > I've had very good luck with clonezilla live previously but I am having > issues with it cloning this particular server (Dell T300). The server > currently is in production and I've made several attempts using > clonezilla. I cannot afford to have much more downtime and need to look > for a different imaging solution. I forgot to mention that the hardware is going to be identical to the source. I think the reason I chose clonezilla was because it was able to set up grub while restoring the image. I need to be able to restore the entire server to another identical T300 and have it boot with minimal (preferably none) additional configuration. From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Thu Mar 5 20:37:46 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Chris G wrote: > The size *isn't* displayed when I click on 'Print', I just get a > pop-up box saying "Print: Enter a command that will read a PostScript > file from stdin and print it to the desired printer.", plus a few more > bits and pieces, a text entry field with "lpr" in it and "Color", > "Grayscale", "B/W" and "Cancel" buttons at the bottom. did you ever try to click on "color" and see what happens ? I swear it is safe and will not burn your house -) -- Pierre Frenkiel From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Thu Mar 5 20:36:38 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:36:38 -0500 Subject: Imaging a 8.04 Server In-Reply-To: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30C@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1><8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com><49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu><49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu><20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1><20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30C@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> Message-ID: <49B037D6.3030302@dinamis.com> Lubbers, Nicholas wrote: >> I've had very good luck with clonezilla live previously but I am > having >> issues with it cloning this particular server (Dell T300). The server >> currently is in production and I've made several attempts using >> clonezilla. I cannot afford to have much more downtime and need to > look >> for a different imaging solution. > > I forgot to mention that the hardware is going to be identical to the > source. I think the reason I chose clonezilla was because it was able to > set up grub while restoring the image. I need to be able to restore the > entire server to another identical T300 and have it boot with minimal > (preferably none) additional configuration. If they are identical, how about directing the output of "dd" to the target server over ssh? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The server >>> currently is in production and I've made several attempts using >>> clonezilla. I cannot afford to have much more downtime and need to >> look >>> for a different imaging solution. >> I forgot to mention that the hardware is going to be identical to the >> source. I think the reason I chose clonezilla was because it was able to >> set up grub while restoring the image. I need to be able to restore the >> entire server to another identical T300 and have it boot with minimal >> (preferably none) additional configuration. > > If they are identical, how about directing the output of "dd" to the > target server over ssh? There's a tutorial on network dd'ing if you search google for "dd over netcat" I've always used partimage to clone things and have had decent luck with that. Other than that maybe you could look at backup solutions where you can backup and restore (amanda?) to the new system instead of direct imaging. From nlubbers at shopthepig.com Thu Mar 5 20:51:46 2009 From: nlubbers at shopthepig.com (Lubbers, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:51:46 -0600 Subject: Imaging a 8.04 Server In-Reply-To: <49B037D6.3030302@dinamis.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1><8f6eb7340903031633t7f526df3q80812f813aa3e22c@mail.gmail.com><49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu><49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu><20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1><20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com><2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30C@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> <49B037D6.3030302@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30D@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> > If they are identical, how about directing the output of "dd" to the > target server over ssh? I know that way would be the best to get a true "identical" copy but in our environment that will not work. Eventually if everything goes as planned, we will have roughly 100 of these servers to put this image on to. Anything network based is out of the question as the server is at one of our stores at a remote site. I will need to use either a USB drive or a NAS drive to save the image files. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 21:27:02 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:02 -0800 Subject: [Solved] Re: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/05/2009 11:26 AM, Jonathan Hudson wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:23:27 -0800, NoOp wrote: > >>Anyone here have any experience/advise on how to view/use NOAA >>BSB/RNC/KAP Raster Navigational Charts w/Ubuntu/linux? >> > > qgis will display and print BSB (.kap) files. > > -jh > By golly you're right! I had completely missed that. When I tried the bsb it said that it didn't support that format. But now selecting the kap file brings it up just fine :-) Thanks to all that replied. From cemaaiem at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 21:35:13 2009 From: cemaaiem at yahoo.com (Cesar Augusto Suarez) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: install driver at startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <122252.4852.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Nils. Thanks for your offer. the driver is located in .deb file, theproblemis thaty the system will ask for the su password each time the script is invoked (every startup, everyday), as this pc is the secretary pc, i would like to install that driver silently, i dont wanna edit the sudoers file, because i dont wanna thispc will be rooted everyday, just at themoment to install the modem driver. ________________________________ Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > I've installed a 536 chipset intel modem and the ifax software. > this works well; however, every time i startup thes ystem, the modem > doesnt work anymore, and i must tyo install it again,after that,it > works again. how can i make a script to install themodem driver every > time the system startup? If you know how to write scripts you can invoke it in /etc/rc.local before the "exit 0" line. If you want us to help you write the script we need to know the commands to install the driver. 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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Thu Mar 5 21:51:24 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:51:24 +0100 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? Message-ID: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Hi, I am going to need an internal USB card reader, to read SD cards, something like that: http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00072490.html Are these kind of devices "just work", or are there some readers that don't work on Linux ? If so, where can I find a "white list". The problem is that there are no technical details about these products, so it's impossible to know what chip/controller they use... Presently I have a old (eternal not internal) card reader, which works perfectly, but I don't if it was just good luck or not ! -- Vince From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 21:51:27 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:51:27 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? Message-ID: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most (some?) messages from list duplicated today? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From dhamaris at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 21:58:52 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:58:52 +0100 Subject: problems trying to configure OpenLDAP In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903051348i3ba3d46fu295433505835dfa8@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903051348i3ba3d46fu295433505835dfa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok,i've just find out that the problem was that i didn't install Berkeley DB!!! what a nonsense! I thought this database had to be already in the package of OpenLDAP. Fixed. Thank u for asking, Dámaris. 2009/3/5 Norberto Bensa > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales > wrote: > > configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB not available > > Context. Is this from source? If so, why? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eventually if everything goes as > planned, we will have roughly 100 of these servers to put this image on > to. Anything network based is out of the question as the server is at > one of our stores at a remote site. I will need to use either a USB > drive or a NAS drive to save the image files. I would be more inclined to do a preseed installation in that case and do configuration management with cfengine, puppet, or bcfg2. I've found image-based installations wanting compared to kickstart or preseed installations. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ubuntu at metron.com Thu Mar 5 22:18:11 2009 From: ubuntu at metron.com (Lou Katz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:18:11 -0800 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> References: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> Message-ID: <20090305221811.GA84347@metron.com> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 07:33:58PM +0900, Dave M G wrote: > Ubuntu, > > Following instructions on the web, I created the "Private" directory on > my computer and set it to be encrypted. Seems to work fine and protects > the contents of my directory from being read by non-logged in users. > > However, I have files which I would like to protect just a little > differently. With the "Private" directory, when I am logged into my > account, the files in that directory behave essentially like any files > in any other directory. That directory is opened automatically when I > log in. > > What I would like to have is another, separate, directory that requires > a password to open even to me when I am logged in. > > Ideally, not only could I "open" the directory with a password, I could > set it as "closed" again when I am done with the files within it. > > Is such a thing possible? > > Any advice would be much appreciated. I also use cfs (Matt Blaze's Crypto File system) besides TrueCrypt. CFS does not require a pre-allocated space, does not allow anyone to read it even when 'mounted' unless you are the owner and times out and unmounts (per user set timeout), even if you are still inside it, as long as you do not have any files open in the cfs. It is in my synaptic set of repositories. > > Thank you. > > -- > Dave M G > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- -=[L]=- This work was funded by The Pseudoscience Trust for the betterment of Bad Art. From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:25:03 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:25:03 +0200 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? In-Reply-To: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00903051425h3f0b3364o54684c2744b886c5@mail.gmail.com> > Are these kind of devices "just work", or are there some readers that > don't work on Linux ? These card reader generally present themselves as Mass Storage Devices, so they generally Just Work (tm). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From kassube at gmx.net Thu Mar 5 22:23:24 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:23:24 +0100 Subject: install driver at startup In-Reply-To: <122252.4852.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <122252.4852.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903052323.24853.kassube@gmx.net> Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > the driver is located in .deb file, Well, if you install the deb file it should be on the system permanently. Therefore I don't really understand why it needs to be installed every time the machine is booted. Can you tell us which driver it is? Is that deb file installed from the Ubuntu repository or is it from a separate source? > theproblemis thaty the system > will ask for the su password each time the script is invoked (every > startup, everyday), Not if you invoke your script from /etc/rc.local because that script is run by root already at the end of the boot process. Nils From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:26:28 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:26:28 -0500 Subject: Imaging a 8.04 Server In-Reply-To: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADDB0A.6000105@gatech.edu> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30B@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lubbers, Nicholas wrote: > I need some quick advice for a bootable cd similar to ghost to clone an > entire server. The disks are in raid 5 with logical partitioning set up. > Filesystem is ext3. Try out mondorescue. - mondorescue.org The version in the repositories doesn't work well - get the current (2.2.8) version from ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/ubuntu/8.04/ Use the -S /tmp and -T /tmp to make sure it uses the right areas to create the images. It'll image the server while it's up, and you can test to make sure it's a good clone. Obviously any data that changes during the proceedure may be out of date on the clone - but most people back up to get a solid testable restore point with the OS etc all done, then restore the changing data from known good backups. Brian From nbensa at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:30:34 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:30:34 -0200 Subject: problems trying to configure OpenLDAP In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903051348i3ba3d46fu295433505835dfa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903051430w4328d4cfk9dcd2ac9e2385cd5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > Ok,i've just find out that the problem was that i didn't install Berkeley > DB!!! what a nonsense! > > I thought this database had to be already in the package of OpenLDAP. OpenLDAP can use many backends. Maybe the maintainer didn't want to have a harddep in BDB ;-) From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Mar 5 22:46:41 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:46:41 -0800 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:51:27 -0500 Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most > (some?) messages from list duplicated today? > > -- > --- Dave Woyciesjes Well, Dave, I'm thinking it must be your server because I'm not seeing it here. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ Wars can be prevented just as surely as they can be provoked ... and we who fail to prevent them, must share the guilt for the dead. --Omar N. Bradley, General of the U.S. Army From k4rjj at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 5 22:53:56 2009 From: k4rjj at bellsouth.net (Ronny Julian) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:53:56 -0500 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903051425h3f0b3364o54684c2744b886c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <880dece00903051425h3f0b3364o54684c2744b886c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B05804.9080508@bellsouth.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Are these kind of devices "just work", or are there some readers that >> don't work on Linux ? >> > > These card reader generally present themselves as Mass Storage > Devices, so they generally Just Work (tm). > > I've reloaded the OS so many times that I store all personal data on a CF card as PRIMARY now. I found a Memorex reader at a thrift store for a buck and I get 2GB cards for 8-10 dollars each. I have not gotten a card over 2 gig yet but I do want to build a system one day that will be all on a CF or SD card From tabbox at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:00:33 2009 From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:00:33 -0600 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: > > Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most > > (some?) messages from list duplicated today? > > > > No duplicates out here in gmail land either. tab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 5 23:01:50 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:01:50 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> Tab Gilbert wrote: >>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>> >> > No duplicates out here in gmail land either. If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 5 23:29:00 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:29:00 +0000 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? In-Reply-To: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090305232900.GB14846@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 10:51:24PM +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > Hi, > > I am going to need an internal USB card reader, to read SD cards, > something like that: > > http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00072490.html > > Are these kind of devices "just work", or are there some readers that > don't work on Linux ? If so, where can I find a "white list". > The problem is that there are no technical details about these products, > so it's impossible to know what chip/controller they use... > > Presently I have a old (eternal not internal) card reader, which works > perfectly, but I don't if it was just good luck or not ! > My Sweex one "just works" in xubuntu 8.10. -- Chris Green From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:29:10 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:29:10 -0500 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? In-Reply-To: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > Hi, > > I am going to need an internal USB card reader, to read SD cards, > something like that: > > http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00072490.html > > Are these kind of devices "just work", or are there some readers that > don't work on Linux ? If so, where can I find a "white list". > The problem is that there are no technical details about these products, > so it's impossible to know what chip/controller they use... > > Presently I have a old (eternal not internal) card reader, which works > perfectly, but I don't if it was just good luck or not ! > > -- > Vince > In my experience they just work. The only problem I have had (I have three around) is that the older ones do not appear to support some new format memory cards (Memory stick pro duo in my case). By older ones I mean the card readers I bought some years ago. A card reader that I bought around a year and a half ago reads all of them. Upon close examination I have noticed that the newer ones specifically mentiond Memory stick/pro duo on them. I supposed memory stick card reader slots are not backward compatible (Sony, what a fiasco!). Other than this, these kind of USB card readers have turned out to be the most robust method of reading various memory cards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From fmccormick at videotron.ca Thu Mar 5 23:32:46 2009 From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:32:46 -0500 Subject: Firefox 3.0.6 In-Reply-To: <1236289451.5261.5.camel@spare> References: <1236289451.5261.5.camel@spare> Message-ID: <1236295966.3111.1.camel@squeeze> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 15:44 -0600, Bill Taylor wrote: > Every time I start Firefox and click the Bookmarks the first time it > automatically wants to bookmark my Home page, is there a way to turn > this off? Strange. I have exactly the same problem --I thought it was particular to this system...but maybe not. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Thu Mar 5 23:37:22 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:37:22 +0100 Subject: USB card reader: "just works" or not ? In-Reply-To: References: <20090305225124.c79633b2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090306003722.02abf528.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Thanks for the input chaps, I shall buy one of these things soon then ! :-) -- Vince From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 23:38:48 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:38:48 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49B06288.8030304@sbcglobal.net> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Tab Gilbert wrote: >>>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>>> >> No duplicates out here in gmail land either. > > If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right > click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... > I'll try that. But the odd thing is, of all the messages I got since 5:46, the only duplicates are from the Ubuntu list. When TBird gets my messages, the list mail are filtered off of the laptop to an appropriate folder on an IMAP server... Here's the headers from your message. I can't figure anything from these: -------- Original Message -------- X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: ACBl/NgAAXirSbBaiALfiUu1jEc X-Mozilla-Keys: X-Apparently-To: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net via 216.252.101.32; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:04:40 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [91.189.94.204] Authentication-Results: mta134.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=lists.ubuntu.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 161.58.104.130 (EHLO flpi127.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.167) by mta134.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:04:32 -0800 X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.91.189.94.204 X-Originating-IP: [91.189.94.204] Received: from chlorine.canonical.com (chlorine.canonical.com [91.189.94.204]) by flpi127.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb ipv6 jeff0203/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n25N3HaC030801; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:03:19 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LfMZf-0003C1-Oq; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:01:55 +0000 Received: from dns2.sarvers.com ([24.229.12.168] helo=trans-warp.net) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LfMZc-0003BT-7q for ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:01:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [192.168.123.68]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 175853656-1860479 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <49B059DE.7020600 at chrononomicon.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:01:50 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Most messages today dulicated? References: <49B0495F.3040303 at sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel at thericehouse.net> In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: bsilver at chrononomicon.com X-BeenThere: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions List-Id: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Errors-To: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Tab Gilbert wrote: >>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>> >> > No duplicates out here in gmail land either. If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 23:38:56 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:38:56 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49B06290.9000809@sbcglobal.net> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Tab Gilbert wrote: >>>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>>> >> No duplicates out here in gmail land either. > > If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right > click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... > I'll try that. But the odd thing is, of all the messages I got since 5:46, the only duplicates are from the Ubuntu list. When TBird gets my messages, the list mail are filtered off of the laptop to an appropriate folder on an IMAP server... Here's the headers from your message. I can't figure anything from these: -------- Original Message -------- X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: ACBl/NgAAXirSbBaiALfiUu1jEc X-Mozilla-Keys: X-Apparently-To: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net via 216.252.101.32; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:04:40 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [91.189.94.204] Authentication-Results: mta134.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=lists.ubuntu.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 161.58.104.130 (EHLO flpi127.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.167) by mta134.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:04:32 -0800 X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.91.189.94.204 X-Originating-IP: [91.189.94.204] Received: from chlorine.canonical.com (chlorine.canonical.com [91.189.94.204]) by flpi127.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb ipv6 jeff0203/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n25N3HaC030801; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:03:19 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LfMZf-0003C1-Oq; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:01:55 +0000 Received: from dns2.sarvers.com ([24.229.12.168] helo=trans-warp.net) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LfMZc-0003BT-7q for ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:01:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [192.168.123.68]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 175853656-1860479 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <49B059DE.7020600 at chrononomicon.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:01:50 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Most messages today dulicated? References: <49B0495F.3040303 at sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel at thericehouse.net> In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: bsilver at chrononomicon.com X-BeenThere: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions List-Id: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Errors-To: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com Tab Gilbert wrote: >>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>> >> > No duplicates out here in gmail land either. If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From cr33dog at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:41:02 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:41:02 +1800 Subject: Firefox 3.0.6 In-Reply-To: <1236295966.3111.1.camel@squeeze> References: <1236289451.5261.5.camel@spare> <1236295966.3111.1.camel@squeeze> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 15:44 -0600, Bill Taylor wrote: >> Every time I start Firefox and click the Bookmarks the first time it >> automatically wants to bookmark my Home page, is there a way to turn >> this off? > > >  Strange. I have exactly the same problem --I thought it was particular > to this system...but maybe not. Same here - I smell a bug. I haven't bothered to see if it's a FF bug or Ubuntu bug yet though (Canonical modifies upstream FF when packaging). Chris From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 5 23:47:54 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:47:54 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B06290.9000809@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> <49B06290.9000809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49B064AA.3040905@sbcglobal.net> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Tab Gilbert wrote: >>>>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most >>>>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? >>>>> >>> No duplicates out here in gmail land either. >> If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right >> click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... >> > > I'll try that. But the odd thing is, of all the messages I got since > 5:46, the only duplicates are from the Ubuntu list. When TBird gets my > messages, the list mail are filtered off of the laptop to an appropriate > folder on an IMAP server... Well, I turned off the filter rule that moves my Ubuntu mail, and my message came in 4 times still. But Frank's and Vincents message that just came through, got to me only once... Odd... Throughout this, some came in 3 times, some 4, but usually only duplicated. This happened earlier with Tbird on Ubuntu 8.10, and now with TBird on WinXP... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From fmccormick at videotron.ca Thu Mar 5 23:48:09 2009 From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:48:09 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B06290.9000809@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305144641.26835b5d.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49B059DE.7020600@chrononomicon.com> <49B06290.9000809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1236296889.3111.4.camel@squeeze> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 18:38 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > > Tab Gilbert wrote: > >>>> Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most > >>>> (some?) messages from list duplicated today? > >>>> > >> No duplicates out here in gmail land either. > > > > If you're using thunderbird, I've seen goofy things if you need to right > > click the folder, go to properties, and hit "reindex"... > > > > I'll try that. But the odd thing is, of all the messages I got since > 5:46, the only duplicates are from the Ubuntu list. When TBird gets my > messages, the list mail are filtered off of the laptop to an appropriate > folder on an IMAP server... Here's the headers from your message. I Yup. Same thing here. I got two copies of your message complaining about duplicates :) And I use Evolution not Thunderbird. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 00:00:13 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:00:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <1236296889.3111.4.camel@squeeze> Message-ID: <675788.43599.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Frank McCormick wrote: > From: Frank McCormick > Subject: Re: Most messages today dulicated? > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:48 PM > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 18:38 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > > > > Tab Gilbert wrote: > > >>>> Is it just my mailserver, or > are others getting most > > >>>> (some?) messages from list duplicated > today? > > >>>> > > >> No duplicates out here in gmail land either. > > > > > > If you're using thunderbird, I've seen > goofy things if you need to right > > > click the folder, go to properties, and hit > "reindex"... > > > > > > > I'll try that. But the odd thing is, of all the > messages I got since > > 5:46, the only duplicates are from the Ubuntu list. > When TBird gets my > > messages, the list mail are filtered off of the laptop > to an appropriate > > folder on an IMAP server... Here's the headers > from your message. I > > > Yup. Same thing here. I got two copies of your message > complaining > about duplicates :) And I use Evolution not Thunderbird. > > I've been getting duplicate mail from Ubuntu only for quite some time and use Yahoo web mail for the most part. It only happens with Ubuntu list mail and I get lots of other mail. Do also get duplicates of spam mail but that happened well before the Ubuntu issue came up. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From carlf at photocarl.org Fri Mar 6 00:15:45 2009 From: carlf at photocarl.org (Carl Flippin) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:15:45 -0800 Subject: [POSIX] implementation of pthread_create() In-Reply-To: <22329484.post@talk.nabble.com> (overflow's message of "Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:56:49 -0800 (PST)") References: <22275000.post@talk.nabble.com> <22329484.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87k5735wwe.fsf@photocarl.org> overflow_ writes: > overflow_ wrote: > > Thanks for the help, I think I got it, even if I have still something > not completely clear. ...snip... > > - in the do_clone function there ISN'T ANY CALL TO the clone > function!!!!!!! there is just a INTERNAL_SYSCALL call. > > it uses just a macro ARCH_CLONE, that call the function __clone, but I > dind't find where is it implemented I think its implementation changes > with the hardware, but I didn't find where is it! Is there someone > that know it? > This is expected. Ultimately, most of the glibc functions end up calling a linux syscall. That's how glibc gets linux to actually do something. I would expect the final implementation to make a syscall since all the threading functions ultimately rely on the kernel. You will find this to be true in most cases. -- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ |Carl Flippin | If debugging is the process of removing | |carlf at photocarl.org | software bugs, programming must be the | |http://photocarl.org | process of putting them in. | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From linuxhamuser at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 00:31:12 2009 From: linuxhamuser at gmail.com (Johnny) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:31:12 -0600 Subject: Pype starting problem Message-ID: <49B06ED0.8070109@gmail.com> Installed Pype it's not starting when installed this is what I have when started from command line # pype /usr/share/pype/pype.py:38: DeprecationWarning: The wxPython compatibility package is no longer automatically generated or actively maintained. Please switch to the wx package as soon as possible. from wxPython.wx import * Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pype", line 6, in import pype File "/usr/share/pype/pype.py", line 38, in from wxPython.wx import * File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wxPython/__init__.py", line 15, in import _wx File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wxPython/_wx.py", line 8, in from _misc import * File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wxPython/_misc.py", line 456, in wxDateTime_GetNumberOfDaysinYear = wx._misc.DateTime_GetNumberOfDaysinYear AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'DateTime_GetNumberOfDaysinYear' root at ubuntu-computer:/home/johnny # apt-cache search wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode Johnny From p.echols at comcast.net Fri Mar 6 01:44:23 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:44:23 -0800 Subject: Plextor PX-M402U - Intrepid? Message-ID: <49B07FF7.50902@comcast.net> I have a Plextor PX-M402U for capture device for video. After some googling, I find this site: http://nikosapi.org/wiki/index.php/WIS_Go7007_Linux_driver Which discusses the method for loading the driver for the device. But it only talks about versions up through Hardy. Has anyone tried this on an Intrepid install? I intend to start working on it tonight in any case, but wondered if anyone had any thoughts / experience with it. Patton From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 6 01:34:40 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:34:40 -0400 Subject: install driver at startup References: <122252.4852.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3893261.mkv2vHgDdI@cedar.serverforest.com> Cesar Augusto Suarez wrote: > Nils. > Thanks for your offer. > the driver is located in .deb file, That makes no sense. It may have been delivered in a .deb, but that's not how you install drivers. > theproblemis thaty the system will > ask for the su password each time the script is invoked (every startup, > everyday), Not if, as Nils suggested, you put the "modprobe" statement in /etc/rc.local > as this pc is the secretary pc, i would like to install that > driver silently, i dont wanna edit the sudoers file, because i dont wanna > thispc will be rooted everyday, just at themoment to install the modem > driver. Do you actually know what the sudoers file does? That's _precisely_ why you would put a command in /etc/sudoers - but for system startup commands, rc.local would be better. An even better alternative would be a udev rule, but rc.local would be simplest. -- derek From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 02:32:11 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:32:11 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC Message-ID: Hi All I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good wiki :-) There are a number of questions that come up over and over again, and I think it would be helpful if we had our own 'list approved' set of answers easily on hand. If we built up a good enough set of FAQs, we could get the URL for the FAQ inserted into the mailing list info so everybody would get it periodically. I'm not trying to duplicate the entire Ubuntu support wiki and forums here. I'm thinking just the cream of the crop questions, and the answers would mainly be one liner or so answers with links to the appropriate spot in the list archives or the various spots on the net for more info. I've put together a 'mock up' at http://bmckee.ca/mailinglistfaqs Don't run right over there and start putting info in just yet. First off, please answer in this thread the following questions. 1 - am I nuts? 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? 3 - If so, where should it be hosted? It could stay where it is for now I suppose, but I'd rather find a good home up front if possible. 4 - Is there something more appropriate than PMWiki? I'm thinking simple and easy here, I don't want to create a full time job for somebody maintaining this thing. If you're really enthusiastic you could put stuff in the wiki that's there now, but I'm more worried about the concept then then content at this point. What do you think? Brian From sgrace at pobox.com Fri Mar 6 02:52:28 2009 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:28 -0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 21:32 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good wiki :-) > I've put together a 'mock up' at http://bmckee.ca/mailinglistfaqs > > Don't run right over there and start putting info in just yet. First > off, please answer in this thread the following questions. > > 1 - am I nuts? No. > 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? Yes, and you've made a good start. However, I noticed what I believe to be an error on the Multimedia page. I believe Canonical Ltd. is headquartered in the UK, not the United States. Steve From martin at autotelic.com Fri Mar 6 02:55:19 2009 From: martin at autotelic.com (Dave M G) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:55:19 +0900 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20090305221811.GA84347@metron.com> References: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> <20090305221811.GA84347@metron.com> Message-ID: <49B09097.9050607@autotelic.com> Lou, Brian, NoOp, Thank you for the tips. I have downloaded and looked at True Crypt, which does what I need. I will also look into CFS. I'm not so keen on the CLI only interface, but it sounds like it may have some advantages. Thank you for taking the time to offer suggestions. -- Dave M G From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Fri Mar 6 03:01:56 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:01:56 +0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> References: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <49B09224.4010501@bradbury.edu.hk> > However, I noticed what I believe to be an error on the Multimedia page. > I believe Canonical Ltd. is headquartered in the UK, not the United > States. > And I thought it was in South Africa.... From 4030man at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 03:41:49 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:41:49 -0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> References: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <49B09B7D.3060400@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 6 04:26:47 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:26:47 -0700 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> References: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <20090305212647.459a95f2@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:28 -0800 Steve Grace wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 21:32 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > > > I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good > > wiki :-) > > > I've put together a 'mock up' at http://bmckee.ca/mailinglistfaqs > > > > Don't run right over there and start putting info in just yet. > > First off, please answer in this thread the following questions. > > > > 1 - am I nuts? > > No. > > > 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? > > Yes, and you've made a good start. > > However, I noticed what I believe to be an error on the Multimedia > page. I believe Canonical Ltd. is headquartered in the UK, not the > United States. > > Steve > > > And I thought Mark Shuttleworth's offices are on the Isle of Mann -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 6 04:28:09 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:28:09 -0700 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20090305212809.08b02899@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:51:27 -0500 Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Is it just my mailserver, or are others getting most (some?) > messages from list duplicated today? > I'm seeing about 10% maybe that are duplicated. It appears to be very random. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 6 04:30:34 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:30:34 -0700 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <20090305213034.1b7fde5f@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:05:10 +0100 Florian Diesch wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > > > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 09:16 -0800, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > >> it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. > > > > *Lazy* questions are frowned upon, i.e., those who demonstrate that > > the poster thinks it's ok to waste other's time in order to save a > > few minutes of his own time by not googling. > > > > I like that this list is more forgiving, but the result is that some > > people never learn to behave correctly (viz., Karl) > > Personally I usually think people trying to teach others to behave > correctly are much more annoying than people asking lazy questions. > > If you don't like to read Karl's postings why don't you just killfile > him, or at least discuss the matter off list? > > > Florian Thanks for the suggestion. I did do that, keeps me from trying to stomp on him each time. Unfortunately, that didn't end the endless discussions about his messages... -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From hal at burgiss.net Fri Mar 6 04:50:23 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:50:23 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <20090305212809.08b02899@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305212809.08b02899@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090306045023.GC27282@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:28:09PM -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > I'm seeing about 10% maybe that are duplicated. It appears to be very > random. None here, but I use a procmail rule to drop duplicates. I get enough as it is. -- Hal From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 04:50:50 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:50:50 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Brian McKee wrote: > I'm not trying to duplicate the entire Ubuntu support wiki and forums > here. Okay, but why exactly can't the content you're envisioning be on the Ubuntu wiki. There may be a good reason, but I don't see it yet. Matt Flaschen From nlubbers at shopthepig.com Fri Mar 6 05:24:32 2009 From: nlubbers at shopthepig.com (Lubbers, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:24:32 -0600 Subject: Urgent Boot Failure In-Reply-To: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30E@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> I have LVM set up on a 8.04.2 (x64) server and I was doing a fsck on the root volume in runlevel 1 (init 1) and the box crashed in the middle of it. When it tries to boot now, I get dropped to a busybox prompt and get errors "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init". I tried booting with a live desktop cd but it can't find the proper disk. Do I need to install the lvm2 package in order to read this? From craig.huffstetler at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 06:12:10 2009 From: craig.huffstetler at gmail.com (Craig Huffstetler) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:12:10 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: I think a lot of what you are aiming for has great intent. However, the content may be duplicative of what already exists in certain forms. I think content should exist: 1. On the Ubuntu Wiki. 2. If it does not exist now in any form then create it on the Ubuntu Wiki in the category where it should exist. I think this will be better than re-hashing what is already on the Ubuntu Wiki. It will also help further what others have already started. Sincerely, Craig Huffstetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe Canonical Ltd. is headquartered in the UK, not the >> United States. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> > > And I thought Mark Shuttleworth's offices are on the Isle of Mann > > He could telecommute if he knew any competent computer people! :-D From p.echols at comcast.net Fri Mar 6 06:18:38 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (Patton Echols) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:18:38 -0800 Subject: Test - Ignore Message-ID: <49B0C03E.4050309@comcast.net> Sorry about this, my own messages are not getting back to me, even though my list settings say they should. Just a test of some new settings . . . Nothing to see here, move along. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Fri Mar 6 06:23:54 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:23:54 +0800 Subject: Urgent Boot Failure In-Reply-To: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30E@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30E@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> Message-ID: <49B0C17A.1030403@bradbury.edu.hk> Lubbers, Nicholas wrote: > I have LVM set up on a 8.04.2 (x64) server and I was doing a fsck on the > root volume in runlevel 1 (init 1) and the box crashed in the middle of > it. When it tries to boot now, I get dropped to a busybox prompt and get > errors "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init". I tried booting with > a live desktop cd but it can't find the proper disk. Do I need to > install the lvm2 package in order to read this? > > Yes, you need to get your LiveCD env connected to the Net and then install the lvm2 package. From al-black at telus.net Fri Mar 6 08:28:05 2009 From: al-black at telus.net (Al Black) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:28:05 -0700 Subject: couple of quick questions Message-ID: <1236328085.6409.6.camel@al-desktop> Hi gang, Just a quick question so that I can properly ask the questions I want... What is the shell command to get the video card and monitor on that running on a machine? Thanks in advance, al From hellocyf at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 08:35:43 2009 From: hellocyf at gmail.com (if-ifone) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:35:43 +0800 Subject: power e In-Reply-To: <9b85e10f0903060020u1b80a46bp42babcb263bfb438@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b85e10f0903060020u1b80a46bp42babcb263bfb438@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b85e10f0903060035l3bf1cq445b40cef97c4837@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/6 if-ifone > > I have installe ubuntu 8.10 server on dell pe 2650,It could not boot > up.stop at initramfs > type exit(),can continue to boot system .but could not startup network > interface > > dose this bug coursed by pe 2650 firmware or ubuntu? > if it about firmware,how to upgrade it. > if it about ubuntu,and how to deal with. > > warry > > thanks al > -- thinking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanos at writeme.com Fri Mar 6 08:50:06 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:50:06 +0000 Subject: when to resize partitions In-Reply-To: <2353918.I25XBKTXPD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49A878A9.3080507@writeme.com> <3203000.ILWCPhKf7S@cedar.serverforest.com> <49A99966.2090804@writeme.com> <2353918.I25XBKTXPD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B0E3BE.3020008@writeme.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Stephen Constantinou wrote: > >> Q1) How can I tell which partition was the home partition? > > Best to boot into the Mandriva system and check what partitions are mounted. > >> Q2) Can I assume that if I chose the manual option I will be able to >> combine all the non windows partitions and then at a different stage >> allocate it to kubuntu and it will sort out the swop, bootable partition >> etc. I am hoping I will not be asked which partitions are for which >> purpose as I will not know. > > If you use the manual partitioning tool to _delete_ all the unneeded > partitions, you then back up in the installer and restart the "guided" > install - it will use all the available free space and partition it > appropriately Dear All and Derek Alas, alack I did this but ended up with Mandriva, XP, and Kubuntu on my computer. It was as though after deleting the partitions and going back one stage the deleted partitions were ignored. I was presented with three options that used the word guided: A) Guided - resize SCSII (0,0,0) partition #9 (sda) and use free space (I did not chose this one as I could not understand why I could move the slider partition to the far left but not allocate all to Kubuntu) B) Guided - use entire disk C) Guided - use the largest continuous free space (I chose this one as it appeared to be the suggestion "-it will use all the available free space and partition it") As a result I have moved from this SIZE USED sda1 fat16 41MB 33MB sda2 ntfs 78279MB 56634MB sda4 fat32 3380MB 2366MB sda5 ext3 4186MB 604MB sda6 swop 4186MB 0MB sda7 ext3 8381MB 3316MB sda8 ext3 28697MB 1216MB sda9 ext3 28648MB 6842MB sda10 ext3 4194MB 100MB to this: SIZE USED sda1 fat16 41MB 33MB sda2 ntfs 78279MB 56634MB sda4 fat32 3380MB 2366MB sda5 ext3 4186MB 604MB sda6 swap 4186MB 0MB sda7 ext3 8381MB 3316MB sda8 ext3 4375MB 828MB sda11 ext3 23269MB 2578MB sda12 swap 1052MB 0MB sda9 ext3 28648MB 6842MB sda10 ext3 4194MB 100MB Before I deleted these partition's I looked at the other options of editing the partition and I was confronted with options I did not understand: Ext3 Journalling file system, Ext2 Journalling file system and many others. At one stage, I cannot remember what I had done, I was asked to select /. That really confused me. sda1 and sda4 are probably the recovery partition and the diagnostic tools that were installed by default by Dell. I am at the edge of my knowledge if not beyond it and now I am in a worse position than before. Currently the default OS to boot is Kubuntu. When my wife discovers this she will be really annoyed. So here are the questions 1) What does the slider bar in option A mean? Should I have chosen this? 2) How do I achieve my objective of Windows XP and Kubuntu (plus Dell recovery and diagnostics)? 3) If I do achieve this will I have to make XP the default or will it be done for me? Any further help appreciated Yours in desperation Stephen Constantinou From markir at paradise.net.nz Fri Mar 6 09:20:16 2009 From: markir at paradise.net.nz (Mark Kirkwood) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:20:16 +1300 Subject: New heat grease, no help In-Reply-To: <20090305213034.1b7fde5f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <543547.3457.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1236194695.5141.12.camel@chronic> <878wnknh7d.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090305213034.1b7fde5f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49B0EAD0.6080506@paradise.net.nz> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > Thanks for the suggestion. I did do that, keeps me from trying to stomp > on him each time. Unfortunately, that didn't end the endless discussions > about his messages... > > ...and funnily enough - in *this* case it seemed (to me anyway) that Karl's post was quite legitimate: i.e a question (slightly veiled possibly) about heat or motherboard reliability... and some of us maybe over reacted a little... regards Mark From kassube at gmx.net Fri Mar 6 09:32:48 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:32:48 +0100 Subject: couple of quick questions In-Reply-To: <1236328085.6409.6.camel@al-desktop> References: <1236328085.6409.6.camel@al-desktop> Message-ID: <200903061032.48744.kassube@gmx.net> Al Black wrote: > What is the shell command to get the video card and monitor on that > running on a machine? You can find out the video card with one of these commands: lspci sudo lshw -C display I don't know of a command to identify the monitor though. You can check the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log if there is information about your monitor. Nils From ogra at ubuntu.com Fri Mar 6 09:57:17 2009 From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:57:17 +0100 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236333437.5849.27.camel@osiris> hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 21:32 -0500 schrieb Brian McKee: > Hi All > > I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good wiki :-) > > There are a number of questions that come up over and over again, and > I think it would be helpful if we had our own 'list approved' set of > answers easily on hand. several people have thought that before over the 5 years canonical exists :) on a regular base the different faqs and wikipages were reviewed and http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette was assembled from that, if you write a FAQ make sure to not duplicate things on there and get it included as a link on that page if its done ;) ciao oli -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Norman From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Fri Mar 6 12:19:14 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:19:14 +0300 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49B114C2.7050102@lab.vectoris.fr> norman wrote: > When I open a folder containing photographs I sometimes get a thumbnail > of the photograph and other times a small, blue icon. Got a screenshot, please? -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 6 12:47:25 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:47:25 -0400 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC References: Message-ID: <2392279.W8sUPyOhYy@cedar.serverforest.com> Brian McKee wrote: > I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good wiki :-) Ack... > > 1 - am I nuts? No. I can't say I particularly like the idea. I never get to the Ubuntu Forums, so I can't expect I'll get to this wiki. But some people like them, and some people will use it. > > 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? Oh, I see. Yes, you're nuts but sure it's a sensible idea :-) -- derek From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 6 13:31:21 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:31:21 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <2392279.W8sUPyOhYy@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2392279.W8sUPyOhYy@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B125A9.5010909@roadrunner.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Brian McKee wrote: > >> I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good wiki :-) > > Ack... >> 1 - am I nuts? > > No. I can't say I particularly like the idea. I never get to the Ubuntu > Forums, so I can't expect I'll get to this wiki. But some people like > them, and some people will use it. >> 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? > > Oh, I see. Yes, you're nuts but sure it's a sensible idea :-) yes, agreed here as well. great idea for people who will use a wiki. I myself dont like them, or forums, the list is for me. -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From ziffer at yahoo.cn Fri Mar 6 13:34:52 2009 From: ziffer at yahoo.cn (Ziffer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:34:52 +0800 (CST) Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! Message-ID: <78271.3186.qm@web92410.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> Hi, My hardy works fine until I trying remove emacs. After doing ' sudo apt-get autoremove emacs' , I try install it again, then I get this: Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 Please help, thanks! Kevin ___________________________________________________________ 好玩贺卡等你发，邮箱贺卡全新上线！ http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Fri Mar 6 13:53:41 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:53:41 -0500 Subject: Urgent Boot Failure In-Reply-To: <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30E@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> <2A8DCC450911E64EB584732A14160278B2C30E@FRESHEMAIL.sso.fb.com> Message-ID: <49B12AE5.5080904@tigershaunt.com> Lubbers, Nicholas wrote: > I have LVM set up on a 8.04.2 (x64) server and I was doing a fsck on the > root volume in runlevel 1 (init 1) and the box crashed in the middle of > it. When it tries to boot now, I get dropped to a busybox prompt and get > errors "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init". I tried booting with > a live desktop cd but it can't find the proper disk. Do I need to > install the lvm2 package in order to read this? > The box crashed in the middle of fsck? You need to start with low level hardware diagnostics. If you care at all about the data on the those drives, remove them from that computer to test them. If the hard drives are failing and you still really care about the data, consider pro data retrieval service, or, if you can risk it, pursue the suggestions you'll find here for recovery. From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Fri Mar 6 13:56:21 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:56:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: Firefox truncating web pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Brian McKee wrote: > In this case I'm sure the flash is a big part of it - how do you print > a movie? You'll notice the flash just isn't in the printout at all. sorry Brian, you are sure but in that case, are obviously wrong! Doing print preview, you notice that the page content is actually printed (apart the flash animation at the very top), but: 1/ the right part of the page is truncated 2/ the bottom is truncated This has nothing to do with the flash at the top. Another proof is that you get the full pages, without any truncation, with Internet Explorer, Safari, Opera. With Firefox, one can get the full page (without truncation in width and height), by choosing a scale factor in print/"Page Setup", and unchecking the "Ignore scaling" box in "Options" For the 1st link I gave, one need a scale factor of 40% to get the full page printed, and for the 2nd one, 40% is enough, but I think that one can't call that a workaround, as if you have more than 2 or 3 printed pages, the width will be a few centimeters. I agree that this is not a Ubuntu issue, as the same occurs with Firefox on Windows and MacOs. (but also with konqueror on Ubuntu...) I'll try in firefox forums, but given the big number of times that has already been reported, the odds to get a fix are rather small. -- Pierre Frenkiel From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:30:44 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 06:30:44 -0800 Subject: Clamscan fails on files in /sys Message-ID: <6824847a0903060630r41c796bfyc880057dbf7cdc53@mail.gmail.com> I have a root cron job running clamscan, starting at "/". The first couple of times I ran it, it went fine and didn't report any issues. The last two nights, it reported output like the following: LibClamAV Error: Message is not in uuencoded format WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/drvctl WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/drvctl LibClamAV Error: cli_readn: read error: Invalid argument LibClamAV Error: cli_readn: read error: Invalid argument WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/virtual/net/pan0/bridge/flush WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fbcon/rotate_all >From a search, I found some people who ran into similar problems, but I didn't see a resolution. Should I specifically exclude the "/sys" directory from the scan, or is there a better resolution for this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norman at littletank.org Fri Mar 6 14:35:13 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:35:13 +0000 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <49B114C2.7050102@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <49B114C2.7050102@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <1236350113.6550.17.camel@localhost> > > When I open a folder containing photographs I sometimes get a thumbnail > > of the photograph and other times a small, blue icon. > > Got a screenshot, please? There should be an example on www.littletank.org/screenshot Norman From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:48:39 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:48:39 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback all. When everyone mentions the Ubuntu wiki I'm assuming you mean http://help.ubuntu.com/community ? That does make sense as a landing spot - and means nobody has to maintain it either. I'll start it there as MailingListFAQs I guess. To those of you that don't quite get my rationale - the point here is one stop shopping for the questions we see often. I think right now many of us have a list of bookmarks or vague memories of where to go so that when somebody asks me why we bottom post or how to play MP3s we can copy and paste them in one more time. This just makes that list a community maintained effort rather than a bunch of private ones. It should be an index to the spot where the answers are with at most a line or two of explanation. Obviously the information is already out there somewhere, but people aren't finding it or they wouldn't be asking here. It's a polite way of getting them on the road to self enlightenment by introducing them to the wide range of info already out there for them. I think the wordiness of my wiki was misleading. Let me figure out how to start something at http://help.ubuntu.com/community and I'll post back when I've got a start on it for additional comments. In the meantime, if you can come up with your own thoughts on what questions we see here all the time, please feel free to add them to this thread. Brian From nbensa at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:52:47 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:52:47 -0200 Subject: Clamscan fails on files in /sys In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903060630r41c796bfyc880057dbf7cdc53@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060630r41c796bfyc880057dbf7cdc53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903060652u7500ba99w5c796aa41bfa6d2f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, David Karr wrote: > Should I specifically exclude the "/sys" directory > from the scan, or is there a better resolution for this? exclude it. /sys is like /proc and /dev. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:57:36 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:57:36 -0500 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: Saw this announced and thought of this loooong thread.... http://shutter-project.org/downloads/ From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 15:05:44 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:05:44 -0800 Subject: How to get cron job to mail output only if non-empty In-Reply-To: <49AF2F10.9000408@gatech.edu> References: <6824847a0903041732w5bcb82c7m9fd5b0c9dabdf964@mail.gmail.com> <49AF2F10.9000408@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <6824847a0903060705u33e819dax1c05a9fb91234662@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Matthew Flaschen < matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote: > David Karr wrote: > > I have a (root) cron job definition like the following: > > > > 0 0 * * * /usr/bin/clamscan --no-summary -r --reload > > --log=/var/log/clamav/clamscan.log -i / | mail -s "Virus scan found > > something" davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com > > > > This works fine when it finds something (I tested it with a fake virus > > file), but what I didn't expect is that "mail" sends the mail even if the > > output is empty. > > You're trying to reinvent the wheel. Read man cron: > > "When executing commands, any output is mailed to the owner of the > crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the > crontab, if such exists)." > > Drop the mail -s "Virus scan found something" davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com > and use MAILTO instead. cron will only send emails there when there is > actual output. > > See also http://usertools.plus.net/tutorials/id/1 > > Thanks, that worked fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 6 14:51:06 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:51:06 -0400 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC References: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> <20090305212647.459a95f2@teamcharliesangels.com> <49B0BECB.2060703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6512625.9YgrU3Rnkz@cedar.serverforest.com> Patton Echols wrote: > On 03/05/2009 08:26 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> And I thought Mark Shuttleworth's offices are on the Isle of Mann That's "Man". Canonical is _registered_ in the Isle of Man, no doubt for tax purposes, but the offices are in London (on the Isle of _Dogs_ I believe). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 6 14:44:55 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:44:55 -0400 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305212809.08b02899@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090306045023.GC27282@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <1456631.VNaF28VqLZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:28:09PM -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> I'm seeing about 10% maybe that are duplicated. It appears to be very >> random. > > None here, but I use a procmail rule to drop duplicates. I get enough > as it is. > None here, but I use gmane news, and I don't think any news server would propagate dups if they had the same message-id. (I think if you get your mail through gmail, it won't either) -- derek From diesch at spamfence.net Fri Mar 6 15:55:08 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:55:08 +0100 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: <20090305212647.459a95f2@teamcharliesangels.com> (Charlie Kravetz's message of "Thu\, 5 Mar 2009 21\:26\:47 -0700") References: <1236307948.6516.2.camel@midnight> <20090305212647.459a95f2@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <87tz66odcz.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:28 -0800 > Steve Grace wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 21:32 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: >> >> > I've been thinking lately that what this list needs is a good >> > wiki :-) >> >> > I've put together a 'mock up' at http://bmckee.ca/mailinglistfaqs >> > >> > Don't run right over there and start putting info in just yet. >> > First off, please answer in this thread the following questions. >> > >> > 1 - am I nuts? >> >> No. >> >> > 2 - regardless of 1, is this a sensible idea? >> >> Yes, and you've made a good start. >> >> However, I noticed what I believe to be an error on the Multimedia >> page. I believe Canonical Ltd. is headquartered in the UK, not the >> United States. > > And I thought Mark Shuttleworth's offices are on the Isle of Mann According to whois it's Canonical, Ltd. One Circular Road Douglas Isle of Man IM1 1AF GB Florian -- From diesch at spamfence.net Fri Mar 6 15:46:57 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:46:57 +0100 Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! In-Reply-To: <78271.3186.qm@web92410.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> (ziffer@yahoo.cn's message of "Fri\, 6 Mar 2009 21\:34\:52 +0800 \(CST\)") References: <78271.3186.qm@web92410.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87y6viodqm.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Ziffer wrote: > Hi, > My hardy works fine until I trying remove emacs. After doing ' sudo apt-get autoremove emacs' , I try install it again, then I get this: > > Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. > > !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! > !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages > !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. > !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 > !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 > > Please help, thanks! Please post the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 Florian -- From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 16:34:05 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:34:05 -0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:48:39 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: >[...] > It should be an index to the spot where the answers are with at most a > line or two of explanation. Obviously the information is already out > there somewhere, but people aren't finding it or they wouldn't be asking > here. It's a polite way of getting them on the road to self > enlightenment by introducing them to the wide range of info already out > there for them. > > Just to add to the discussion, not to argue against your idea and intentions. One of the old time solutions was teaching people to use a search engine or read the manual before posting questions. However, many will still want to ask their question personally without having to do any reading or searching or learning first. I think that is part of the reason for a site like http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Of course, many experienced users translated that "teaching to search" kind of help into "google it, you moron" or "read the man page, idiot" and things weren't as community oriented or respectful as they often are now. Actually, that advice was good, if somewhat abrasive and often led to bruised egos. Having, at most, a line or two of explanation is what may turn out to be difficult to implement for any but simple questions. In addition, I'm not sure that mailing list FAQs would be substantially different from the FAQs already listed at the Ubuntu FAQ Guide. [Well, maybe the top or bottom posting question, but I'm not sure how to get a simple answer to that. :)] I'm not criticizing your intent, I know you make helpful posts and it's obvious that having links like you describe would have a use. I'm just not sure it would work as well as you expect. It doesn't seem to in other places where I have been which do have FAQs, the repeat questions still occur and many posters don't seem to learn to use the FAQs. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 16:54:07 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:54:07 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:48:39 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > >>[...] >> It should be an index to the spot where the answers are with at most a >> line or two of explanation.  Obviously the information is already out >> there somewhere, but people aren't finding it or they wouldn't be asking >> here.  It's a polite way of getting them on the road to self >> enlightenment by introducing them to the wide range of info already out >> there for them. > One of the old time solutions was teaching people to use a search engine > or read the manual before posting questions. However, many will still want > to ask their question personally without having to do any reading or > searching or learning first. I think that is part of the reason for a site > like http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html And that's a perfect link to have in our FAQ :-) > > Of course, many experienced users translated that "teaching to search" > kind of help into "google it, you moron" or "read the man page, idiot" and > things weren't as community oriented or respectful as they often are now. > Actually, that advice was good, if somewhat abrasive and often led to > bruised egos. Yep. I'm teaching my 4 your old right now that the way you ask for something is as important as what you are asking for. Some people won't ever get that... > Having, at most, a line or two of explanation is what may turn out to be > difficult to implement for any but simple questions. Yeah, maybe that 's a pipe dream - I'll know better once I start doing some of them. Simple is the key though I think - just answer the question and leave the justification for the links. > In addition, I'm not > sure that mailing list FAQs would be substantially different from the FAQs > already listed at the Ubuntu FAQ Guide. [Well, maybe the top or bottom > posting question, but I'm not sure how to get a simple answer to that. :)] Well, for starters I'm thinking it'll be a heck of a lot shorter. And some of the questions I see here aren't there - or at least aren't obvious. > I'm not criticizing your intent, I know you make helpful posts and it's > obvious that having links like you describe would have a use. I'm just not > sure it would work as well as you expect. It doesn't seem to in other > places where I have been which do have FAQs, the repeat questions still > occur and many posters don't seem to learn to use the FAQs. You're right, there will be those that can't be taught, but if it gets even a few down the road a little farther, I think it'll be worth it. Thanks for your comments! Brian From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 17:04:57 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC In-Reply-To: References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49B157B9.3080701@gatech.edu> Brian McKee wrote: > Thanks for the feedback all. > > When everyone mentions the Ubuntu wiki I'm assuming you mean > http://help.ubuntu.com/community ? Yes, that's the public ally editable part of the Ubuntu wiki. > That does make sense as a landing spot - and means nobody has to > maintain it either. I'll start it there as MailingListFAQs I guess. Well, maintain it technically... Some editorial maintenance always helps. :) I think basically what we want is to keep everything on the Ubuntu wiki, with the FAQ's short but sweet (to avoid redundancy). Then, it's easy to link to other parts of the wiki (or elsewhere) for more detailed answers. Matt Flaschen From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:07:35 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:07:35 -0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: >>[Thorny] One of the old time solutions was teaching people to use a >>search engine >> or read the manual before posting questions. However, many will still >> want to ask their question personally without having to do any reading >> or searching or learning first. I think that is part of the reason for >> a site like http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > >[Brian] And that's a perfect link to have in our FAQ :-) > A bit less than perfect because many times people react to the perceived "tone" of the article. It is also long which means people don't want to wade through it. I remember once seeing a shorter more "Ubunty community friendly" one by someone over at the Ubuntu forums but I don't have a link to that one. The "Before asking for help" section from the "HowToGetHelp" page might be enough. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToGetHelp From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:14:58 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:14:58 -0800 Subject: Mailing List FAQ - RFC References: <49B0ABAA.2090908@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:54:07 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > You're right, there will be those that can't be taught, but if it gets > even a few down the road a little farther, I think it'll be worth it. > And the best part of having this discussion is that many lurkers will have already learned all they need to know from the discussion alone. Often it isn't necessary to "teach", just set a good example and pass on information, eh? From al-black at telus.net Fri Mar 6 17:24:10 2009 From: al-black at telus.net (Al Black) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:24:10 -0700 Subject: Screen resolution on a sony laptop. Message-ID: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> Hi I'm trying install 8.10 on an old sony PCG-FX 340 laptop. For the most part the install went smoothly, and the machine is working okay. There's a couple of things I'd like to get working, but I'll pick the most annoying one first. I'd like to change the screen resolution of from 800 x 600 to 1024x768. (The screen resolution tool in the admin panel, doesn't give me the option.) The laptop comes with a Intel 82815 815 chipset hostbridge and memory controller and a VGA 82815 graphics controller. Digging around at the usual sources for help there seems to be a couple of different isssues with Sony laptops and screen resolution, esp revolving around the 915 chipset, which don't seem to apply here. What looks the most promising is modifying the x configuration file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062691&highlight=sony+screen +resolution+sony+laptop I tried this changing the model name, and had a couple of problems. First, cntrl/alt/backspace didn't restart x. So I rebooted and came up with a screen that went blank at log in. I was able to recover, but thought I'd ask here for suggestions and help before fiddling with xorg.conf more. Thanks al From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:37:43 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:37:43 -0800 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? Message-ID: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> When I've used Firefox on Windows, when I go to a page that corresponding to an entry in my passwords list, I believe it filled in the login name & passwords fields with the data stored in my passwords list. I've noticed recently after using Ubuntu regularly for a couple of months that Firefox never does this anymore (I don't have an easily available WIndows box right now to validate the previous behavior). Is this expected behavior? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:38:03 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:38:03 -0700 Subject: Sudden inability to access or open firebox Message-ID: <1236361083.14043.2.camel@allen-desktop> For no reason I can ascertain Firebox suddenly refuses to open, hence inability to search, or get to g.mail. Guess I am fortunate to have evolution. At any rate since I cannot delete and reinstall Firebox is there a repair capability. If so please advise or offer options. Thanks again Allen Meyers texas.chef94 at gmail.com OR chef11994 at sbcglobal.net From kauer at biplane.com.au Fri Mar 6 17:56:15 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:56:15 +1100 Subject: Sudden inability to access or open firebox In-Reply-To: <1236361083.14043.2.camel@allen-desktop> References: <1236361083.14043.2.camel@allen-desktop> Message-ID: <1236362175.12367.779.camel@karl> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:38 -0700, allen meyers wrote: > For no reason I can ascertain Firebox suddenly refuses to open, hence > inability to search, or get to g.mail. Guess I am fortunate to have > evolution. At any rate since I cannot delete and reinstall Firebox is > there a repair capability. If so please advise or offer options. > Thanks again There was a recent firefox upgrade which required a restart of firefox. It's quite common after such upgrades to be unable to open new firefox windows - either they don't open at all, or you get mysterious error dialogues. Have you closed all open firefox windows? As a last resort you could log out of X and log in again to make certain. Then try again. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 18:05:00 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:05:00 -0500 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B165CC.9020604@gatech.edu> David Karr wrote: > When I've used Firefox on Windows, when I go to a page that corresponding to > an entry in my passwords list, I believe it filled in the login name & > passwords fields with the data stored in my passwords list. I've noticed > recently after using Ubuntu regularly for a couple of months that Firefox > never does this anymore (I don't have an easily available WIndows box right > now to validate the previous behavior). Is this expected behavior? No. Try creating a new Firefox profile, and see if that makes a difference. Matt Flaschen From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 18:12:18 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (Allen Meyers) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:12:18 -0700 Subject: Sudden inability to access or open firebox In-Reply-To: <1236362175.12367.779.camel@karl> References: <1236361083.14043.2.camel@allen-desktop> <1236362175.12367.779.camel@karl> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:38 -0700, allen meyers wrote: > > For no reason I can ascertain Firebox suddenly refuses to open, hence > > inability to search, or get to g.mail. Guess I am fortunate to have > > evolution. At any rate since I cannot delete and reinstall Firebox is > > there a repair capability. If so please advise or offer options. > > Thanks again > > There was a recent firefox upgrade which required a restart of firefox. > It's quite common after such upgrades to be unable to open new firefox > windows - either they don't open at all, or you get mysterious error > dialogues. > > Have you closed all open firefox windows? As a last resort you could log > out of X and log in again to make certain. Then try again. > > Regards, K. Solved Log out X and log in again worked. Thank you so much > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) > http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ > +61-428-957160 (mob) > > GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Allen Meyers texas.chef94 at gmail.com The ability to comfortably use a computer is directly proportional to desire to listen, learn, and experiment, and is inversely proportional to the fear, anger, and stubbornness that you show. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 18:16:55 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:55 -0500 Subject: Sudden inability to access or open firebox In-Reply-To: <1236362175.12367.779.camel@karl> References: <1236361083.14043.2.camel@allen-desktop> <1236362175.12367.779.camel@karl> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:38 -0700, allen meyers wrote: >> For no reason I can ascertain Firebox suddenly refuses to open, > Have you closed all open firefox windows? As a last resort you could log > out of X and log in again to make certain. Then try again. And if that doesn't work - rename your ~/.mozilla folder and try again. This will move your bookmarks, extensions etc aside and firefox will start 'fresh' so to speak. If that succeeds then you know the problem lies in your own info and you can start thinking about problem extensions, or google how to create a new profile etc.... From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 18:42:24 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:42:24 -0800 Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! In-Reply-To: <78271.3186.qm@web92410.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> References: <78271.3186.qm@web92410.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/06/2009 05:34 AM, Ziffer wrote: > Hi, > My hardy works fine until I trying remove emacs. After doing ' sudo apt-get autoremove emacs' , I try install it again, then I get this: > > Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. > > !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! > !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages > !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. > !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 > !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 > Try purging emacs first & then reinstalling: $ sudo apt-get purge emacs $ sudo apt-get install emacs From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 18:50:59 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:50:59 -0600 Subject: Firefox bug #481900 Message-ID: <1236365459.32697.3.camel@spare> Reported the problem with the Bookmarks trying to bookmark the first opened page when using the Bookmarks to navigate to the next wab site. - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 From dhamaris at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 18:52:36 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:52:36 +0100 Subject: problems again with OpenLDAP installation Message-ID: Hi, I'm a newbie on this, i was trying to build the system (after configure, and make dependencies without error) openLDAP, and get this error message: (ITS#5666) getpeereid.c:65: error: storage size of peercred isnt known So I looked for the cause, and find out that it was something related to an incompatibility with glibc, on this page: http://www.globalsight.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=40&func=view&id=100&catid=26 Where it says: *The workaround is to compile with CPPFLAGS=-D_GNU_SOURCE So: sudo env CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.5/include -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.5/lib" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openldap --enable-ldbm* I tried first, to configure like this: *>env CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/include -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openldap --enable-ldbm* It made appear new errors, so i tried to go back typing this: //only setting what i thougth it was the problem, *>./configure >env CPPFLAGS=-D_GNU_SOURCE* It seems that i have gone backwards, because now when trying to configure openLDAP it doesn't recognize BerkeleyDB: *checking db.h usability... no checking db.h presence... no checking for db.h... no configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB not available and the configure stops. * I checked and made sure that db.h was install in /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/include/db.h. The problem is worse, because i don't have a Berkeley folder in /usr/local, nor in all the system. I found out that i have 3 versions of berkeleyDB: 4.2, 4.6 and 4.7. When trying to delete 4.6, the manager tells me that it will affect a lot of programs, even apache2 server!!! that would be going to the begginng. Some suggestions? How can i delete older versions of berkeleyDB (4.2 and 4.6) without affecting the entire system? Why it doesn't appear the berkeleyDB folder? What is the problem with glibc? Is that i have to change something or define some parameter? I'm quite lost. Thank u. Dámaris. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robfleet at ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 6 19:03:10 2009 From: robfleet at ix.netcom.com (Rob) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:10 -0500 Subject: Google Earth for Linux Message-ID: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth? I downloaded it and it seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed it's own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications list but when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it "crashes". In other words, it appears about to activate itself but then disappears completely. Thanks for any ideas. Rob From daevid at daevid.com Fri Mar 6 19:16:42 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:16:42 -0800 Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> References: <49AFAA96.6030608@autotelic.com> Message-ID: <1236367002.4332.6.camel@psedev1> Could you share the the URL to the instructions you followed? -----Original Message----- From: Dave M G Subject: Additional encrypted directory that requires password every time Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:58 +0900 Following instructions on the web, I created the "Private" directory on my computer and set it to be encrypted. Seems to work fine and protects the contents of my directory from being read by non-logged in users. Dave M G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So as you went through each updated /etc file (after an 'emerge world' for example), it would load the new /etc file and your existing one into this amazing graphical diff tool called 'meld' ( http://meld.sourceforge.net/ ). You'd make your changes, save and exit, then move on to the next /etc/ file to be investigated... All nice and automatic like. In Ubuntu, I'm a little concerned that something like this doesn't exist?? When I do updates, I'm given a rather useless menu IMHO that says things like: * install new version * keep old version * VIEW diffs -- this is useless because you can't do anything with them AFAIK but _view_ the differences. * three way diff view ...and there might be some others, but nowhere do I see a way to launch a user defined diff tool to interactively merge changes. Please tell me this is possible. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 19:36:40 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:36:40 -0500 Subject: Firefox bug #481900 In-Reply-To: <1236365459.32697.3.camel@spare> References: <1236365459.32697.3.camel@spare> Message-ID: <49B17B48.7090909@gatech.edu> Bill Taylor wrote: > Reported the problem with the Bookmarks trying to bookmark the first > opened page when using the Bookmarks to navigate to the next wab site. Link is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481900 (wasn't sure whether you meant an Ubuntu or Mozilla bug). This definitely seems to be a real issue, judging by this list as well as http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en&forumId=1&comments_parentId=208116 and http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=886965 Matt Flaschen From racerx at makeworld.com Fri Mar 6 19:37:47 2009 From: racerx at makeworld.com (Chris) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:37:47 -0600 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <20090306133747.49a76919@chris.makeworld.com> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:10 -0500 Rob wrote: > Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth? I downloaded it and > it seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed > it's own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications > list but when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it > "crashes". In other words, it appears about to activate itself but > then disappears completely. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > Rob > > Same here. Both new and old version. That being said, if you open a terminal, it will run from there. Odd as that is. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 19:42:47 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:42:47 +1800 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Rob wrote: > Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth?  I downloaded it and it > seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed it's > own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications list but > when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it "crashes". > In other words, it appears about to activate itself but then disappears > completely. > > Thanks for any ideas. Hi Rob, What kind of video card do you have and which driver are you using? Do you have desktop effects enabled, and which version of GE have you installed? Also - what is the output of this: glxinfo | grep -i direct Chris From denis at haskinferguson.net Fri Mar 6 19:47:59 2009 From: denis at haskinferguson.net (Denis Haskin) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:47:59 -0500 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <49B17DEF.1030207@haskinferguson.net> I've used it successfully but I think it may have been back on Hardy or even Gutsy. Try running it from the command line to see what error(s) it's throwing (you may need to go to Edit Menus if you don't know what the command is to run it). dwh Rob wrote: > Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth? I downloaded it and it > seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed it's > own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications list but > when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it "crashes". > In other words, it appears about to activate itself but then disappears > completely. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > Rob > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Matt Flaschen From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 19:57:45 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:57:45 +1800 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <20090306133747.49a76919@chris.makeworld.com> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <20090306133747.49a76919@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Chris wrote: > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:10 -0500 > Rob wrote: > >> Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth?  I downloaded it and >> it seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed >> it's own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications >> list but when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it >> "crashes". In other words, it appears about to activate itself but >> then disappears completely. >> >> Thanks for any ideas. >> >> Rob >> >> > > Same here. Both new and old version. That being said, if you open a > terminal, it will run from there. Odd as that is. Try moving or deleting your ~/.googleearth directory... The installer creates a prefs file as root that can choke GE... Chris From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 19:58:34 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:58:34 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu server doubts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6824847a0903061158h292f48f9hfc2d090c5945e2c9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM, SENTHIL KUMAR wrote: > Dear Ubuntu Users, > > i wish to change my PC as web server within a LAN. i have installed > APCHE.PHP, MYSQL,phpADMIIN etc. but how to config apche.conf etc. and > finally amke a web html page and show it to a neighbour in my office > without having to get domain name etc. > Assuming you're both on the same LAN, you could probably just tell them your local hostname, but you could also just use your IP address instead of the host name. For instance, at a shell prompt take the result you get from executing "hostname" and form a URL like "http://myhostname:portnumber/..." (you'll have to know what port number apache is running on). Similarly, if you take the IP address of your box (you can get this from "ifconfig"), you can use that instead of the hostname. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From afan at afan.net Fri Mar 6 19:59:10 2009 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:59:10 -0600 Subject: no sound if firefox is opened Message-ID: <49B1808E.6000605@afan.net> hi, I have a problem with sound on my ubunutu 8.04 (lenovo t61p) if I start firefox before any music player. player runs but there is no sound. I just have to close firefox and music is there. can start then forefox. any idea how to fix this? thanks for any help, afan From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 21:30:43 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:30:43 -0500 Subject: Most messages today dulicated? In-Reply-To: <1456631.VNaF28VqLZ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49B0495F.3040303@sbcglobal.net> <20090305212809.08b02899@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090306045023.GC27282@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <1456631.VNaF28VqLZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B19603.2020109@sbcglobal.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Hal Burgiss wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:28:09PM -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >>> I'm seeing about 10% maybe that are duplicated. It appears to be very >>> random. >> None here, but I use a procmail rule to drop duplicates. I get enough >> as it is. >> > None here, but I use gmane news, and I don't think any news server would > propagate dups if they had the same message-id. (I think if you get your > mail through gmail, it won't either) Okay, so it seem sit not just me... Eh, I'll deal with it for now... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 22:15:24 2009 From: jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com (Jammer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Domain Message-ID: <909493.79587.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We just downlosded Ubuntu 8.10 here at work and we are wondering if it can join our domain. Any suggestions? Miguel Rosas From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Fri Mar 6 22:17:51 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:17:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency Message-ID: A few days ago I installed a new version 3.0.7 of FireFox from the Adobe web site. I badly wanted to have a version that could deal with transparent windows for for example swf objects. The new installation worked a treat - lovely. Today there was an update to version 3.0.7 from the repositories, the same version I downloaded from Adobe. So I went to one of the other Ubuntu computers, one that I never installed the Adobe update on, and did a normal update. The strange thing is that this new version, which appear to be the same version as the one from Adobe, was still not capable of making transparent windows. If you want to see what I mean with this transparency, please have a look at: http://carl-fh.com/ and look at the analog clock there. The background should shine totally through, so if the clock is black, then the transparency doesn't work. It is an old Linux/UNIX/Mac problem, that just has been addressed by Adope, so what is wrong with the version from the repositories? Using Grome desktop Ubuntu 8.04 -- ---------=oOOo=--------- Carl Friis-Hansen http://carl-fh.com/ Phone: +46 372 15033 ---------=oOOo=--------- From johnmark at johnmark.org Fri Mar 6 22:31:03 2009 From: johnmark at johnmark.org (John Mark Walker) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:31:03 -0800 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Carl Friis-Hansen wrote: > > If you want to see what I mean with this transparency, please have a look at: > http://carl-fh.com/ > and look at the analog clock there. The background should shine totally > through, so if the clock is black, then the transparency doesn't work. It > is an old Linux/UNIX/Mac problem, that just has been addressed by Adope, > so what is wrong with the version from the repositories? I had no idea you could download firefox from adobe. I use the firefox from the Ubuntu repository and can see the transparency just fine. I notice you're using ubuntu 8.04 - could it be that the version of flash that shipped with 8.04 is different from what ships with 8.10, which is what I use? In any case, I suspect the problem is with the version of flash used by the "bad" browser. -JM From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Fri Mar 6 22:36:15 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:36:15 +0100 Subject: Domain In-Reply-To: <909493.79587.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <909493.79587.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B1A55F.4070102@carl-fh.com> Jammer wrote: > We just downlosded Ubuntu 8.10 here at work and we are wondering if it can join our domain. Any suggestions? If it is Windows workgroup/domain you are talking about, no problem I think. You need to install the appropriate samba protocol though: sudo aptitude install smbclient or something like that. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Fri Mar 6 22:38:36 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:38:36 +0100 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency In-Reply-To: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1A5EC.90305@carl-fh.com> John Mark Walker wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Carl Friis-Hansen > wrote: >> If you want to see what I mean with this transparency, please have a look at: >> http://carl-fh.com/ >> and look at the analog clock there. The background should shine totally >> through, so if the clock is black, then the transparency doesn't work. It >> is an old Linux/UNIX/Mac problem, that just has been addressed by Adope, >> so what is wrong with the version from the repositories? > > I had no idea you could download firefox from adobe. I use the firefox > from the Ubuntu repository and can see the transparency just fine. I > notice you're using ubuntu 8.04 - could it be that the version of > flash that shipped with 8.04 is different from what ships with 8.10, > which is what I use? > > In any case, I suspect the problem is with the version of flash used > by the "bad" browser. > > -JM > You could be very right, will check it tomorrow. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Fri Mar 6 22:39:23 2009 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:39:23 +0000 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency In-Reply-To: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1A61B.5080003@GoogleMail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Mark Walker wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Carl Friis-Hansen > wrote: >> If you want to see what I mean with this transparency, please have a look at: >> http://carl-fh.com/ >> and look at the analog clock there. The background should shine totally >> through, so if the clock is black, then the transparency doesn't work. It >> is an old Linux/UNIX/Mac problem, that just has been addressed by Adope, >> so what is wrong with the version from the repositories? > > I had no idea you could download firefox from adobe. I use the firefox > from the Ubuntu repository and can see the transparency just fine. I > notice you're using ubuntu 8.04 - could it be that the version of > flash that shipped with 8.04 is different from what ships with 8.10, > which is what I use? > > In any case, I suspect the problem is with the version of flash used > by the "bad" browser. > > -JM > 8.10 uses flash 10 r22 and 8.04.2 uses 9.0 rl 24 according to about:plugins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmxpfUACgkQICATF4lwn1o3RACgpyHDmbxjDu++ZfRAcWiytx/Q E/0AoLciIbkBYBU86JNkhVWiZDNLJBGC =/4mQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 22:44:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:44:56 -0500 Subject: Domain In-Reply-To: <909493.79587.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <909493.79587.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B1A768.5030101@gatech.edu> Jammer wrote: > We just downlosded Ubuntu 8.10 here at work and we are wondering if it can join our domain. By domain you mean Active Directory domain? Take a look at http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/howto-active-directory-authentication-in-ubuntu-804/ which explains how to do it with the likewise-open package, which is based on Samba (http://samba.org/). Matt Flaschen From ff809 at ncf.ca Fri Mar 6 22:58:14 2009 From: ff809 at ncf.ca (Brian Lunergan) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:58:14 -0500 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency In-Reply-To: <49B1A61B.5080003@GoogleMail.com> References: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> <49B1A61B.5080003@GoogleMail.com> Message-ID: <1236380294.12691.3.camel@brian-home> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 22:39 +0000, Steve Cook wrote: > 8.10 uses flash 10 r22 and 8.04.2 uses 9.0 rl 24 according to about:plugins I just installed 3.0.7 of FireFox today from the repository and the clock animation works just fine. I'm running 8.04 LTS up to date and about:plugins reports shockwave flash 10.0 r22. -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Fri Mar 6 23:29:08 2009 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:29:08 +0000 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency In-Reply-To: <1236380294.12691.3.camel@brian-home> References: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> <49B1A61B.5080003@GoogleMail.com> <1236380294.12691.3.camel@brian-home> Message-ID: <49B1B1C4.1090604@GoogleMail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Lunergan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 22:39 +0000, Steve Cook wrote: > > > >> 8.10 uses flash 10 r22 and 8.04.2 uses 9.0 rl 24 according to about:plugins > > I just installed 3.0.7 of FireFox today from the repository and the > clock animation works just fine. I'm running 8.04 LTS up to date and > about:plugins reports shockwave flash 10.0 r22. > Version 10 is in the repositories for 8,04 so I’m not sure why there was no offer to update. I‘ve done it now and the transparency works OK. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmxsbcACgkQICATF4lwn1r86wCfWQNxYoLOseg/C9gdaZMzS4xX KSIAn1r6iZn8aTL4BgAbKMmF2jLob6ed =5uI4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 6 23:30:03 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:30:03 -0500 Subject: Test - Ignore In-Reply-To: <49B0C03E.4050309@comcast.net> References: <49B0C03E.4050309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49B1B1FB.8060808@gatech.edu> Patton Echols wrote: > Sorry about this, my own messages are not getting back to me, even > though my list settings say they should. Just a test of some new > settings . . . Nothing to see here, move along. Mark OT next time. Matt Flaschen From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Fri Mar 6 23:50:51 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:50:51 +0100 Subject: FireFox 3.0.7 and transparency - Solved In-Reply-To: <49B1B1C4.1090604@GoogleMail.com> References: <47c05b360903061431p384eba3fjd91ffc5b7f10cd87@mail.gmail.com> <49B1A61B.5080003@GoogleMail.com> <1236380294.12691.3.camel@brian-home> <49B1B1C4.1090604@GoogleMail.com> Message-ID: <49B1B6DB.3040801@carl-fh.com> Steve Cook wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian Lunergan wrote: >> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 22:39 +0000, Steve Cook wrote: >> >> >> >>> 8.10 uses flash 10 r22 and 8.04.2 uses 9.0 rl 24 according to about:plugins >> I just installed 3.0.7 of FireFox today from the repository and the >> clock animation works just fine. I'm running 8.04 LTS up to date and >> about:plugins reports shockwave flash 10.0 r22. >> > Version 10 is in the repositories for 8,04 so I’m not sure why there was > no offer to update. I‘ve done it now and the transparency works OK. The update of flash was not offered me because in the repository update setting the unsupported third party updates was not enabled. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 7 00:26:45 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:26:45 -0600 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236350113.6550.17.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <49B114C2.7050102@lab.vectoris.fr> <1236350113.6550.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20090306182645.4a95a7d6@WizardsTower> norman said: > > > > When I open a folder containing photographs I sometimes get a > > > thumbnail of the photograph and other times a small, blue icon. > > > > Got a screenshot, please? > > There should be an example on www.littletank.org/screenshot > > Norman > In your Nautilus try choose 'Preview,' and set your size and other choices. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From thezorch at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 01:52:26 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:52:26 -0500 Subject: Screen resolution on a sony laptop. In-Reply-To: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> References: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> Message-ID: This is a known problem and there's a running debate on the bug tracking group over this. Essentially, previous versions of Ubuntu had an option to manually configure your monitor settings in the screen resolution app, but as of 8.10 that feature was removed and X.org performed auto-configuration detected of your video card and monitor at setup. When X.org cannot detect what refresh rates and resolution modes your monitor is able to handle the software falls back on a fail safe option which locks your resolution to 800x600. Then the screen resolution is locked at 640x480 if you enable the drivers of your Nvidia or ATI graphics card. There is no simple method to change the monitor configuration after X.org as done the auto-configuration, in fact the only method known to work isn't something most Linux novices can do on their own easily. Its a serious problem that sadly isn't being taken seriously, which is an insult to all who love Ubuntu and want to see more people adopt it. This problem is negatively impacting Ubuntu's image as a user-friendly Linux distribution, and that is totally unacceptable. The call to have manual monitor configuration added to the new screen resolution app in Ubuntu is picking up steam, though. A lot of users are very upset (pissed is more like it) that this feature was removed and it is generally accepted that relying totally on X.org's auto-configuration was a bad move by the development community especially when it comes to something as vitally essential as the display. The ONLY easy fix I know of that MIGHT work is to install an older version of Ubuntu, change the monitor settings manually in the screen resolution app and make a copy of the new X.org configuration file which is usually found at ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf Then when you install the current version as sudo overwrite the curent xorg.conf file and reboot. The monitor settings should take and you should be able to use the appropriate screen resolutions. if this doesn't work and anyone knows of a better way please post it here with detailed step-by-step instruction for us newbies. Thank you. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 01:58:47 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:58:47 -0800 Subject: How do I set meld as the default diff viewer for ubuntu updates? In-Reply-To: <1236367886.4332.13.camel@psedev1> References: <1236367886.4332.13.camel@psedev1> Message-ID: On 03/06/2009 11:31 AM, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I am coming from Gentoo, where there was an excellent tool "etc-update" > and you could define your diff tool to be anything you wanted. So as you > went through each updated /etc file (after an 'emerge world' for > example), it would load the new /etc file and your existing one into > this amazing graphical diff tool called > 'meld' ( http://meld.sourceforge.net/ ). You'd make your changes, save > and exit, then move on to the next /etc/ file to be investigated... All > nice and automatic like. > > In Ubuntu, I'm a little concerned that something like this doesn't > exist?? > When I do updates, I'm given a rather useless menu IMHO that says things > like: > > * install new version > * keep old version > * VIEW diffs -- this is useless because you can't do anything with them > AFAIK but _view_ the differences. > * three way diff view > > ...and there might be some others, but nowhere do I see a way to launch > a user defined diff tool to interactively merge changes. > > Please tell me this is possible. > > I reckon that we should start you with launchpad... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager enter 'diff' in the search field, and the result is: First one is what you are looking for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/15029 [Diff files in a more friendly format] From ktectropy at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 02:15:02 2009 From: ktectropy at gmail.com (Ken T.) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PDFs save to file? Message-ID: I'm running Swiftweasel for a browser (a firefox derivative) and sometime a while back it stopped opening PDF files when I click on the links and instead saves them to my desktop. How do I get the opening behavior back? Thanks, -- Ken T. From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Sat Mar 7 02:26:36 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: unetbootin Message-ID: <58ac82917351ceec4e9a6f3c00386f31@k-wbookworm.com> I just tried to install Ubuntu over a current Linux distro via unetbootin because my cdrom drive no longer works. It seemed to install correctly, asked me to reboot and I chose Unetbootin from the bootup menu. It came back with the following: root (hd14,19) Error 12:Invalid Device Requested I have no idea where to go from here. Keith From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 03:00:13 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:00:13 -0800 Subject: Screen resolution on a sony laptop. In-Reply-To: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> References: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> Message-ID: On 03/06/2009 09:24 AM, Al Black wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying install 8.10 on an old sony PCG-FX 340 laptop. For the most > part the install went smoothly, and the machine is working okay. > There's a couple of things I'd like to get working, but I'll pick the > most annoying one first. > > I'd like to change the screen resolution of from 800 x 600 to 1024x768. > (The screen resolution tool in the admin panel, doesn't give me the > option.) > > The laptop comes with a Intel 82815 815 chipset hostbridge and memory > controller and a VGA 82815 graphics controller. > > Digging around at the usual sources for help there seems to be a couple > of different isssues with Sony laptops and screen resolution, esp > revolving around the 915 chipset, which don't seem to apply here. > > What looks the most promising is modifying the x configuration file > (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) as per > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062691&highlight=sony+screen > +resolution+sony+laptop > > I tried this changing the model name, and had a couple of problems. > First, cntrl/alt/backspace didn't restart x. So I rebooted and came up > with a screen that went blank at log in. I was able to recover, but > thought I'd ask here for suggestions and help before fiddling with > xorg.conf more. Actually you are using the 815 chipset & the driver should be xserver-xorg-video-intel. First try this: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get upgrade $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel $ sudo apt-get install grandr Log out and log back in. From a terminal: $ grandr That will bring up a GUI for monitor modes w/frequency options. If that doesn't work reboot into recovery mode and use the xfix utility, then resume normal boot. That supposedly _should_ resolve the problem. If not, then it may be related to this: There is an xorg.conf file included in that bug report that may work for you. Other possible info/suggestions: You can also file a bug: From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 03:04:54 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:04:54 +1000 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903071304.55102.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi On Saturday 07 March 2009 03:37:43 David Karr wrote: > When I've used Firefox on Windows, when I go to a page that corresponding > to an entry in my passwords list, I believe it filled in the login name & > passwords fields with the data stored in my passwords list. I've noticed > recently after using Ubuntu regularly for a couple of months that Firefox > never does this anymore (I don't have an easily available WIndows box right > now to validate the previous behavior). Is this expected behavior? Have you installed the "Ubuntu Firefox modifications" via synaptic? I'm sure it's a plugin that handles this aspect but not sure which one James From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 7 03:12:28 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:12:28 -0500 Subject: PDFs save to file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B1E61C.90006@gatech.edu> Ken T. wrote: > I'm running Swiftweasel for a browser (a firefox derivative) and sometime > a while back it stopped opening PDF files when I click on the links and > instead saves them to my desktop. Delete (or backup) mozpluggerrc if it's on your home directory (see man mozplugger for possible places), then: sudo apt-get remove --purge mozplugger sudo apt-get install kpdf sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozplugger Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 7 03:13:14 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:13:14 -0500 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <200903071304.55102.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> <200903071304.55102.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1E64A.2070806@gatech.edu> James Takac wrote: > Have you installed the "Ubuntu Firefox modifications" via synaptic? I'm sure > it's a plugin that handles this aspect but not sure which one No, it's built-in to core Firefox. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 7 03:15:17 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:15:17 -0500 Subject: Clamscan fails on files in /sys In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903060652u7500ba99w5c796aa41bfa6d2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060630r41c796bfyc880057dbf7cdc53@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903060652u7500ba99w5c796aa41bfa6d2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1E6C5.4050505@gatech.edu> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, David Karr wrote: >> Should I specifically exclude the "/sys" directory >> from the scan, or is there a better resolution for this? > > exclude it. /sys is like /proc and /dev. Yes. /sys is dynamically generated directly by the kernel. If one of the entries is a virus the computer is a lost cause. :) Matt Flaschen From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 04:29:33 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:29:33 +1800 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:11 AM, norman wrote: > When I open a folder containing photographs I sometimes get a thumbnail > of the photograph and other times a small, blue icon. Both thumbnails > and icons may appear in the same open folder. I have tried to make sure > that it wasn't the file size by setting, in preferences, show thumbnails > only for files smaller than 100MB. I may get files larger than 10MB but > not much larger. > > Could someone please explain why this should be, please? Google has not > been of help. Ah - that happens when the thumbnail command fails for some reason or another. I've customized mine - if you open gconf-editor, what do you have for this key?: /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image at x-xcf/command Mine is "gimp-console -i -n -f -d -s -b '(python-fu-thumbnailer RUN-NONINTERACTIVE "%u")'" And - it's been awhile - but I've installed the attached plugin (~/.gimp-2.6/plug-ins/) to help nautilus out. IIRC, copied XCF files do not get previews unless you tweak things a bit. Of course, that behavior might have been fixed recently - I have not tested it lately. And, if you are interested in delving into these somewhat murky waters, you need to remove ~/.thumbnails/fail/* if you want nautilus to try make a new thumbnail - otherwise it will ignore the file and always give it the generic "blue icon". HTH, Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the most >> part the install went smoothly, and the machine is working okay. >> There's a couple of things I'd like to get working, but I'll pick the >> most annoying one first. >> >> I'd like to change the screen resolution of from 800 x 600 to 1024x768. >> (The screen resolution tool in the admin panel, doesn't give me the >> option.) >> >> The laptop comes with a Intel 82815 815 chipset hostbridge and memory >> controller and a VGA 82815 graphics controller. >> >> Digging around at the usual sources for help there seems to be a couple >> of different isssues with Sony laptops and screen resolution, esp >> revolving around the 915 chipset, which don't seem to apply here. >> >> What looks the most promising is modifying the x configuration file >> (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) as per >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062691&highlight=sony+screen >> +resolution+sony+laptop >> >> I tried this changing the model name, and had a couple of problems. >> First, cntrl/alt/backspace didn't restart x. So I rebooted and came up >> with a screen that went blank at log in. I was able to recover, but >> thought I'd ask here for suggestions and help before fiddling with >> xorg.conf more. > > Actually you are using the 815 chipset & the driver should be > xserver-xorg-video-intel. > > First try this: > > $ sudo apt-get update > $ sudo apt-get upgrade > $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel > $ sudo apt-get install grandr > > Log out and log back in. From a terminal: > > $ grandr > > That will bring up a GUI for monitor modes w/frequency options. > > If that doesn't work reboot into recovery mode and use the xfix utility, > then resume normal boot. That supposedly _should_ resolve the problem. > > If not, then it may be related to this: > > > There is an xorg.conf file included in that bug report that may work for > you. > > Other possible info/suggestions: > > > You can also file a bug: > I missed the original post and if this answer doesn't fit, kindly disregard. I had the same problem with my old Dell laptop. Someone (sorry I can't remember who now) suggested modifying my xorg.conf file with the following; Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" Horizsync 31.5-48.0 Vertrefresh 56.0-65.0 EndSection and; Section "Screen" .... blah blah SubSection "Display" Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection This fixed my Dell, might be worth a try. Just save a copy of your old xorg.conf so you can go back if it is worse :-). -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 04:41:34 2009 From: jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com (Jammer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:41:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Domain Message-ID: <942582.1167.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How do you join to a si windows domain? Miguel Rosas From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 04:41:54 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:41:54 +1800 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David Karr wrote: > When I've used Firefox on Windows, when I go to a page that corresponding to > an entry in my passwords list, I believe it filled in the login name & > passwords fields with the data stored in my passwords list.  I've noticed > recently after using Ubuntu regularly for a couple of months that Firefox > never does this anymore (I don't have an easily available WIndows box right > now to validate the previous behavior).  Is this expected behavior? In short: no. I can access most sites with stored passwords using Ubuntu 8.10 and FF3. There are exceptions though - notably Paypal. Creating a new profile is a reasonable suggestion... Chris From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 7 04:58:36 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:58:36 -0500 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> Chris Mohler wrote: > In short: no. I can access most sites with stored passwords using > Ubuntu 8.10 and FF3. There are exceptions though - notably Paypal. That's deliberate. PayPal has autocomplete="off" set on the field. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245333 , where Mozilla says they will not provide a preference to ignore that attribute to avoid pissing off the banks. However, there are addons to do it, such as https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password and http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-autocomplete/, and hacks like http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=969285&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Matt Flaschen From ziffer at yahoo.cn Sat Mar 7 05:01:44 2009 From: ziffer at yahoo.cn (Ziffer) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:01:44 +0800 (CST) Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! References: Message-ID: <270537.4890.qm@web92411.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:42:24, NoOp wrote: >On 03/06/2009 05:34 AM, Ziffer wrote: >> Hi, >> My hardy works fine until I trying remove emacs. After doing ' sudo apt-get autoremove emacs' , I try install it again, then I get this: >> > > Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >> > > !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! > > !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages > > !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. > > !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 > > !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 >> >Try purging emacs first & then reinstalling: >$ sudo apt-get purge emacs >$ sudo apt-get install emacs I tried purging emacs and got : Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 I attach both /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 and /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 here ___________________________________________________________ 好玩贺卡等你发，邮箱贺卡全新上线！ http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emacs22.Yh6563 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 748 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emacs22.wr6538 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 05:10:14 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:10:14 +1000 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200903071510.15104.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi On Saturday 07 March 2009 14:58:36 Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Chris Mohler wrote: > > In short: no. I can access most sites with stored passwords using > > Ubuntu 8.10 and FF3. There are exceptions though - notably Paypal. > > That's deliberate. PayPal has autocomplete="off" set on the field. See > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245333 , where Mozilla says > they will not provide a preference to ignore that attribute to avoid > pissing off the banks. However, there are addons to do it, such as > https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password and > http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-aut >ocomplete/, and hacks like > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=969285&start=0&st=0&sk=t >&sd=a > > Matt Flaschen That would actually be a security feature least anyone with access to your pc could login as you to their site using the autocomplete feature James From jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 05:13:22 2009 From: jammer_usa2000 at yahoo.com (Jammer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:13:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Windows domain Message-ID: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Is it posible to joint a windows domain with ubuntu? Miguel Rosas From ziffer at yahoo.cn Sat Mar 7 05:21:14 2009 From: ziffer at yahoo.cn (Ziffer) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:21:14 +0800 (CST) Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! References: Message-ID: <263498.23026.qm@web92407.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:46:57 Florian Diesch wrote >Ziffer wrote: > >Hi, >> My hardy works fine until I trying remove emacs. After doing ' sudo apt-get autoremove emacs' , I try install it again, then I get this: >> >> Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >> >> !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >> !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >> !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >> !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >> !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 >> >> Please help, thanks! >Please post the file /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404 I cannot find /tmp/emacs22.Dc6404, but I tried to install emacs again. It prompt there are error occur while dealing with emacs22-gtk, emacs22, emacs22-nox,emacs : Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.KV6999 ( While dealing with emacs22-gtk ) ... ... !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.VB7024 ( While dealing with emacs22 ) ... !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Xv7049 ( While dealing with emacs22-nok ) I attach the files here. ___________________________________________________________ 好玩贺卡等你发，邮箱贺卡全新上线！ http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emacs22.Xv7049 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 750 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is Redhat, but the idea is the same for Ubuntu. http://www.ozzu.com/unix-linux-forum/joining-linux-windows-domain-t42306.html -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Sat Mar 7 05:44:41 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:44:41 +0100 Subject: Windows domain In-Reply-To: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B209C9.9020800@carl-fh.com> Jammer wrote: > Is it posible to joint a windows domain with ubuntu? > > Miguel Rosas Miguel Rosas, please don't do this. Don *not* create e new thread in order to push for an answer. The community might end up excluding you. Instead you should be more possitively responsive to our suggestions and show us that you do an effort on your side. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 06:00:49 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:00:49 +1800 Subject: Why doesn't Firefox on Ubuntu fill in passwords on forms? In-Reply-To: <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Chris Mohler wrote: >> In short: no.  I can access most sites with stored passwords using >> Ubuntu 8.10 and FF3. There are exceptions though - notably Paypal. > > That's deliberate. Yes I know - just thought it worth mentioning in regard to the OP's question. ie, "out of the box" password completion *should* work for most sites, but there are exceptions. I sense a deeper problem than autocomplete=0. Chris From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Sat Mar 7 06:04:44 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:04:44 +0100 Subject: Windows domain In-Reply-To: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B20E7C.4010208@carl-fh.com> Jammer wrote: > Is it posible to joint a windows domain with ubuntu? > > Miguel Rosas You might find a package called ikewise-open, which also opens up for Windows clients accessing Linux/UNIX/Mac, thus a totally integrated environment. http://bobbyallen.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/how-to-join-ubuntu-804-to-windows-active-directory-domain/ You might alto find many more interesting solutions by using Google. It is said that Google is your friend and if not, then use DogPile. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From al-black at telus.net Sat Mar 7 06:35:39 2009 From: al-black at telus.net (Al Black) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:35:39 -0700 Subject: [solved] Re: Screen resolution on a sony laptop. In-Reply-To: References: <1236360250.6757.26.camel@al-desktop> Message-ID: <1236407739.6757.31.camel@al-desktop> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 19:00 -0800, NoOp wrote: > On 03/06/2009 09:24 AM, Al Black wrote: > > Hi > > > > I'm trying install 8.10 on an old sony PCG-FX 340 laptop. For the most > > part the install went smoothly, and the machine is working okay. > > There's a couple of things I'd like to get working, but I'll pick the > > most annoying one first. > > > > I'd like to change the screen resolution of from 800 x 600 to 1024x768. > > (The screen resolution tool in the admin panel, doesn't give me the > > option.) > If not, then it may be related to this: > > > There is an xorg.conf file included in that bug report that may work for > you. Worked like a charm! Replaced the conf file, log out, then in again, and was able to set the screen resolution correctly. Thanks! al From AnhNT-ES01 at fsoft.com.vn Sat Mar 7 06:41:12 2009 From: AnhNT-ES01 at fsoft.com.vn (Nguyen Tuan Anh (TRONLab-SRU)) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:41:12 +0700 Subject: question about remote desktop on Ubuntu/ Message-ID: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> Sorry for any inconvenience. I'm a new to Unix-Ubuntu.Now,I have to set a server computer using Ubuntu.But,I don't know how to do.So,I have some questions for you about this problem. 1. How to set remote utility in Ubuntu? 2. A server computer using Ubuntu need to have what things? 3. Software to download for this server computer? Thanks and Best Regards. Happy 10th Anniversary to FPT Software! 13/01/1999 - 13/01/2009 Nguyen Tuan Anh FPT Software Company FPT Building, Pham Hung Rd., Cau Giay Dist., Hanoi, Vietnam Embedded System Dev. F-Space Lab Mobile:097.6686.239 Email: anhnt-es01 at fsoft.com.vn tuananhngbk2407 at gmail.com URL: www.fpt-soft.com IMPORTANT NOTICE The information in this e-mail and any attached files is CONFIDENTIAL and may be legally privileged or prohibited from disclosure and unauthorized use. The views of the author may not necessarily reflect those of the Company. It is intended solely for the addressee, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering such materials to the addressee. 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It compiled and I did a modprobe and comedi shows up with a lsmod and the devices are created. However: ed at washoe:~/Comedi/Qt-wave-1.1$ comedi_test E: comedi_open("/dev/comedi0"): No such device ed at washoe:~/Comedi/Qt-wave-1.1$ ed at washoe:~/Comedi/Qt-wave-1.1$ ls -l /dev/comedi0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 98, 0 2009-03-03 11:24 /dev/comedi0 ed at washoe:~/Comedi/Qt-wave-1.1$ Can somebody help me debug this? ed wishart From biswajit at tetrain.com Wed Mar 4 05:01:17 2009 From: biswajit at tetrain.com (Biswajit Banerjee) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:31:17 +0530 Subject: Automated patch/update management tool for large deploments on Ubuntu Message-ID: <1236142877.31429.36.camel@rapidns.com> Hi , looking for pointer ( free as well as commercial ) for solution of patch/updates management on very large number of Ubuntu servers and desktops with Automated defined push mechanism . 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() from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #4 0xb75df32c in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__BOOLEAN () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #5 0xb75d1c4b in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #6 0xb75e8095 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #7 0xb75e97ac in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #8 0xb75e9acd in g_signal_emit_by_name () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #9 0xb4965b43 in ?? () from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-cups.so #10 0xb49658ad in ?? () from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/libprintbackend-cups.so #11 0xb75446f8 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #12 0xb7547da3 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #13 0xb75482c2 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #14 0xb7da53a9 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #15 0x080917fb in ?? () #16 0xb73a9685 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #17 0x0805e071 in ?? () To create a sample pdf: 1) Open open office writer 2) Create document with one word "test" 3) Export to PDF 4) Open with evince 5) Print Problem did not occur on hardy. No such problems with xpdf or cups printing from firefox. Cheers, Martin -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers intrepid-updates APT policy: (500, 'intrepid-updates'), (500, 'intrepid-security'), (500, 'intrepid') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.27-11-generic (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages evince depends on: ii gconf2 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 GNOME configuration database syste ii gnome-icon-them 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 GNOME Desktop icon theme ii libatk1.0-0 1.24.0-0ubuntu1 The ATK accessibility toolkit ii libc6 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libcairo2 1.8.0-0ubuntu1.1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra ii libdbus-1-3 1.2.4-0ubuntu1 simple interprocess messaging syst ii libdbus-glib-1- 0.76-1 simple interprocess messaging syst ii libdjvulibre21 3.5.20-7ubuntu3 Runtime support for the DjVu image ii libfontconfig1 2.6.0-1ubuntu4 generic font configuration library ii libfreetype6 2.3.7-2ubuntu1 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgcc1 1:4.3.2-1ubuntu12 GCC support library ii libgconf2-4 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 GNOME configuration database syste ii libglade2-0 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1 library to load .glade files at ru ii libglib2.0-0 2.18.2-0ubuntu2 The GLib library of C routines ii libgnome-keyrin 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 GObject bindings for PKCS#11 ii libgtk2.0-0 2.14.4-0ubuntu1 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libice6 2:1.0.4-1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libjpeg62 6b-14 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG ii libkpathsea4 2007.dfsg.2-3ubuntu1 TeX Live: path search library for ii liblaunchpad-in 0.1.21 library for launchpad integration ii libnautilus-ext 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2 libraries for nautilus components ii libpango1.0-0 1.22.2-0ubuntu1 Layout and rendering of internatio ii libpixman-1-0 0.12.0-1 pixel-manipulation library for X a ii libpng12-0 1.2.27-1 PNG library - runtime ii libpoppler-glib 0.8.7-1ubuntu0.1 PDF rendering library (GLib-based ii libsm6 2:1.0.3-2 X11 Session Management library ii libspectre1 0.2.0.ds-1build3 Library for rendering Postscript d ii libstdc++6 4.3.2-1ubuntu12 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libtiff4 3.8.2-11 Tag Image File Format (TIFF) libra ii libx11-6 2:1.1.5-2ubuntu1.1 X11 client-side library ii libxcb-render-u 0.2+git36-1 utility libraries for X C Binding ii libxcb-render0 1.1-1.1 X C Binding, render extension ii libxcb1 1.1-1.1 X C Binding ii libxml2 2.6.32.dfsg-4ubuntu1.1 GNOME XML library ii libxrender1 1:0.9.4-2 X Rendering Extension client libra ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12ubuntu1 compression library - runtime Versions of packages evince recommends: ii dbus-x11 1.2.4-0ubuntu1 simple interprocess messaging syst -- no debconf information From augustwess at aim.com Thu Mar 5 01:06:01 2009 From: augustwess at aim.com (augustwess at aim.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:06:01 -0500 Subject: installing Google Earth Message-ID: <8CB6B45AF604770-394-1D8@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> I have the GoogleEarth.bin file but for the life of me can't figure out how to install it. 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Instead of protecting only the download, it would make more sense to (keyring-protect) all the messages (keyring-protect Evolution itself). Herman in PHL. -- Herman. --- www.qrz.com/n0jn Just one click to get to see me ..... From JimKilby at usa.net Thu Mar 5 02:23:00 2009 From: JimKilby at usa.net (Jim Kilby) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:23:00 -0800 Subject: Outlook .pst files? Message-ID: <004201c99d39$4eb48580$ec1d9080$@net> Can outlook .pst files be imported into the Evolution Mail program? Thank you, Jim Kilby Escondido, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From etorreira at cib.csic.es Thu Mar 5 14:42:41 2009 From: etorreira at cib.csic.es (Eva Torreira) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:42:41 +0100 Subject: executable file does not exist Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090305153823.033cfa18@cib.csic.es> Hallo! I am trying to install a programm using an executable file in Ubuntu 8.04. It should work quite easily.... 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In-Reply-To: <200903071510.15104.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903060937r104ef286lfb2f52c5531569e6@mail.gmail.com> <49B1FEFC.6080109@gatech.edu> <200903071510.15104.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B21EF8.1080506@gatech.edu> James Takac wrote: > That would actually be a security feature least anyone with access to your pc > could login as you to their site using the autocomplete feature Except of course that Firefox master password prevents people from stealing your passwords. All you have to do is close Firefox before leaving the computer. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 7 07:16:54 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:16:54 -0500 Subject: evince: Segfault when printing any PDF to cups. In-Reply-To: <20090304224804.21528.69813.reportbug@portableHP> References: <20090304224804.21528.69813.reportbug@portableHP> Message-ID: <49B21F66.6060803@gatech.edu> Martin Fuzzey wrote: > Package: evince > Version: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 > Severity: normal This is not a bug reporting system. Use Launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/). Matt Flaschen From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Sat Mar 7 07:17:20 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:17:20 +0100 Subject: question about remote desktop on Ubuntu/ In-Reply-To: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> References: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> Message-ID: <49B21F80.3030201@carl-fh.com> Nguyen Tuan Anh (TRONLab-SRU) wrote: > Sorry for any inconvenience. > > I’m a new to Unix-Ubuntu.Now,I have to set a server computer using > Ubuntu.But,I don’t know how to do.So,I have some questions for you about > this problem. > > 1. How to set remote utility in Ubuntu? > > 2. A server computer using Ubuntu need to have what things? > > 3. Software to download for this server computer? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards. > > *H**ap**py* *10*^th * **Annive**rsary *to* **FPT Soft**ware!* > > * ** ** ** **13/01/1999 - 13/01/2009 * > > > > *Nguyen Tuan Anh* > > * * > > *F**P**T** Software* *Company* > > FPT Building, Pham Hung Rd., Cau Giay Dist., Hanoi, Vietnam > > Embedded System Dev. > > F-Space Lab > > Mobile:097.6686.239 > > Email: anhnt-es01 at fsoft.com.vn > _tuananhngbk2407 at gmail.com_ > > URL: www.fpt-soft.com > > > > IMPORTANT NOTICE > > The information in this e-mail and any attached files is CONFIDENTIAL > and may be legally privileged or prohibited from disclosure and > unauthorized use. The views of the author may not necessarily reflect > those of the Company. > > It is intended solely for the addressee, or the employee or agent > responsible for delivering such materials to the addressee. If you have > received this message in error please return it to the sender then > delete the email and destroy any copies of it. If you are not the > intended recipient, any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, > disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication or any action > taken or omitted to be taken in reliance upon this message or its > attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > At present the integrity of e-mail across the Internet cannot be > guaranteed and messages sent via this medium are potentially at risk. > All liability is excluded to the extent permitted by law for any claims > arising as a result of the use of this medium to transmit information by > or to the FPT Software JSC. Are you sure there are no colleagues in your company who can help you? With the expertise your company proclaim, there are bound to be people with excellent knowledge. One question per thread, please. Make sure each question is well formed, so we get an idea of what you want. It would be better if you could send in plain text (no html). -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From ktectropy at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 07:27:30 2009 From: ktectropy at gmail.com (Ken T.) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PDFs save to file? References: <49B1E61C.90006@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:12:28 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Ken T. wrote: >> I'm running Swiftweasel for a browser (a firefox derivative) and >> sometime a while back it stopped opening PDF files when I click on the >> links and instead saves them to my desktop. > > Delete (or backup) mozpluggerrc if it's on your home directory (see man > mozplugger for possible places), then: > > sudo apt-get remove --purge mozplugger sudo apt-get install kpdf > sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozplugger > > Matt Flaschen Apparently mozplugger was not installed. I tried installing it, but that didn't change anything. BTW, I'm running Hardy. Thanks. -- Ken T. From kassube at gmx.net Sat Mar 7 07:22:22 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:22:22 +0100 Subject: installing Google Earth In-Reply-To: <8CB6B45AF604770-394-1D8@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6B45AF604770-394-1D8@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200903070822.22411.kassube@gmx.net> augustwess at aim.com wrote: > I have the GoogleEarth.bin file but for the life of me can't figure > out how to install it. I was fairly proficient in windblows, but > recently built a linux box. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would have used the GoogleEarth package from the medibuntu repository. That is a much cleaner way to install the package for Ubuntu. See OTOH, if you really want to use the downloaded file, open a terminal and use the command sh ./GoogleEarth.bin where I expect you have the file in your home directory. BTW: I didn't test this, it is from memory because it is looong ago that I used the donwload version of GE. This would give you an installation in your home directory and not a system wide installation, i.e. it only works for the user who installed the program. If you have multiple users on your machine I would suggest you use the medibuntu version and install it with your favourite package manager after you have added the medibuntu repository. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Sat Mar 7 07:31:04 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:31:04 +0100 Subject: executable file does not exist In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20090305153823.033cfa18@cib.csic.es> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20090305153823.033cfa18@cib.csic.es> Message-ID: <200903070831.04455.kassube@gmx.net> Eva Torreira wrote: > I am trying to install a programm using an executable file in Ubuntu > 8.04. It should work quite easily.... > But when I try to execute it with "sudo ./programm name" a received a > message that says that the file does not exist. But it does! I can > see it, I can copy it into another directory... > I have tried to execute it in /usr/local and from Desktop, but the > message does not change. If the program has a space in the name like you wrote in your description the command should be sudo "./programm name" because otherwise the shell would try to execute "./program" with "name" as an option. Other than that, check the permissions that the program file is executable. Nils From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Sat Mar 7 08:09:06 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:09:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Brian McKee wrote: > Saw this announced and thought of this loooong thread.... > http://shutter-project.org/downloads/ to reduce this thread's length, can you tell how shutter fulfills the OP's request, i.e. resizing the print to the whole A4 page ? I found nothing like a user's guide, and the on-line help is just a FAQ. -- Pierre Frenkiel From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Sat Mar 7 08:25:44 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:25:44 +0100 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49B22F88.1040503@carl-fh.com> Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Brian McKee wrote: > >> Saw this announced and thought of this loooong thread.... >> http://shutter-project.org/downloads/ > to reduce this thread's length, can you tell how shutter > fulfills the OP's request, i.e. resizing the print to the whole A4 page ? > I found nothing like a user's guide, and the on-line help is just a FAQ. > I am just using gimp in this way: Load the picture into the gimp editor. Use the crop tool to select the area you want to print. In the print menu select the "Image settings" page and adjust the image to the page. Print it. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From amichai at iglu.org.il Sat Mar 7 09:24:43 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:24:43 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? Message-ID: Hello all, I want to re-install my Kubuntu box. I am currently running Kubuntu Hardy (8.04.2). I have an 80GB HDD partitioned as follows: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 38G 11G 25G 31% / /dev/sda3 38G 34G 2.2G 95% /home As you can see, too much disk space gets wasted on the root (/) partition. My idea was to do the following, and I'd like your input / ideas or even a pointer to a relevant guide/ HOWTO: I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my $HOME, so I thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my $HOME. Then, I thought I'd install from a regular Ubuntu (Gnome desktop by default) and then install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package. I do not like the Gnome desktop (freedom of choice, and all that, you know...). I thought doing it this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out of the box.... Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to re-size a partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone tried it as part of a test on a test machine. Thanks! .:====================================================:. 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URL: From norman at littletank.org Sat Mar 7 09:30:08 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:30:08 +0000 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> < snip > > > Ah - that happens when the thumbnail command fails for some reason or > another. I've customized mine - if you open gconf-editor, what do you > have for this key?: > /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image at x-xcf/command > > Mine is "gimp-console -i -n -f -d -s -b '(python-fu-thumbnailer > RUN-NONINTERACTIVE "%u")'" I did as you suggest and the key you give is not present. Now what? > > And - it's been awhile - but I've installed the attached plugin > (~/.gimp-2.6/plug-ins/) to help nautilus out. IIRC, copied XCF files > do not get previews unless you tweak things a bit. Of course, that > behavior might have been fixed recently - I have not tested it lately. > < snip > Norman From kassube at gmx.net Sat Mar 7 10:28:24 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:24 +0100 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903071128.24365.kassube@gmx.net> Amichai Rotman wrote: > I want to re-install my Kubuntu box. I am currently running Kubuntu > Hardy (8.04.2). > > I have an 80GB HDD partitioned as follows: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda1 38G 11G 25G 31% / > /dev/sda3 38G 34G 2.2G 95% /home > > As you can see, too much disk space gets wasted on the root (/) > partition. > > I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my $HOME, so > I thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my > $HOME. Seems reasonable to me. > Then, I thought I'd install from a regular Ubuntu (Gnome > desktop by default) and then install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package. I > do not like the Gnome desktop (freedom of choice, and all that, you > know...). I thought doing it this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO > is not quite stable, out of the box.... Can you explain what you mean with "the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out of the box"? I haven't seen a problem with it and I have installed several machines with the Kubuntu 8.04 and 8.04.1 ISOs. If you don't want to have Gnome anyway, it would be a lot of work to uninstall the GNOME packages after the installation. Another option would be a text based installation with the Ubuntu mini image [1]. Then you can select the packages you want to use without the intermediate step of installing an unwanted desktop. > Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to re-size > a partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone > tried it as part of a test on a test machine. I have used gparted from a LiveCD system several times to resize ext3 partitions. I never had a problem with it but I would suggest you make backups of your valuable data first. That's what you would have to do anyway if you want to start from scratch. The advantage is that you will keep your installed system like it is now but you have more free space on /home. The disadvantage is that it takes quite some time for gparted to resize partitions. Nils [1] From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 11:33:17 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:33:17 -0200 Subject: Windows domain In-Reply-To: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <349428.49334.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903070333q68d6719fl113704a238630fcb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Jammer wrote: > > Is it posible to joint a windows domain with ubuntu? yes From norman at littletank.org Sat Mar 7 11:49:57 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:49:57 +0000 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1236426597.5742.53.camel@localhost> To add further confusion to the situation if I load the file, which is there as the generic icon, into Gimp and then try to 'save as' I am told the file already exists. That is what I would expect but, when I accept to overwrite the existing file the saved file now appears as an ordinary thumbnail. As far as I am aware, nothing has been changed. Curiouser and curiouser . . . Norman From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 12:01:51 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:01:51 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> > I want to re-install my Kubuntu box. I am currently running Kubuntu Hardy > (8.04.2). > > I have an 80GB HDD partitioned as follows: > Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use%   Mounted on > > /dev/sda1              38G   11G   25G  31%    / > /dev/sda3              38G   34G  2.2G  95%    /home > > As you can see, too much disk space gets wasted on the root (/) partition. > > My idea was to do the following, and I'd like your input / ideas or even a > pointer to a relevant guide/ HOWTO: > > I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my $HOME, so I > thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my $HOME. Amichai, even 15 GB will more than enough. How did you get to 11 GB?!? Are you storing a VM on the / partition? Even with my 500 GB drive on the home system, / is in a 12 GB partition and in the four years that I've been using that size I have never come close to filling it. Well, once, but that was because of a rapidly filling log file and even 100 GB would have been filled quickly! And there is quite a bit of software installed. > Then, I thought I'd install from a regular Ubuntu (Gnome desktop by default) > and then install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package. I do not like the Gnome > desktop (freedom of choice, and all that, you know...). I thought doing it > this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out of the > box.... > Since 7.04 I have been using the Kubuntu disk instead of the Ubuntu disk + KDE. It's fine now, in fact, it is better because the admin is done with KDE tools and I don't have to go guessing what the Gnome equivalents are. > Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to re-size a > partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone tried it > as part of a test on a test machine. > I can loan to you a 40 GB hard drive and a UDB-IDE adaptor to put your data on. With that you can format the whole thing and repartition as part of the install. You might want to wait another month and do that with Kubuntu 9.04 as it comes with KDE 4.2[.1 I think] and even the current Alpha is wholly usable. I am excited about that release! My number is 0547881700 you can call after מוצא שבת to arrange for me to bring the disk to the Technion tomorrow. Of course, this is assuming that you are the same Amichai from the Technion! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 12:15:41 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:15:41 -0800 Subject: question about remote desktop on Ubuntu/ References: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> Message-ID: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:41:12 +0700, Nguyen Tuan Anh (TRONLab-SRU) wrote: > Sorry for any inconvenience. > > I'm a new to Unix-Ubuntu.Now,I have to set a server computer using > Ubuntu.But,I don't know how to do.So,I have some questions for you about > this problem. > > 1. How to set remote utility in Ubuntu? > > 2. A server computer using Ubuntu need to have what things? > > 3. Software to download for this server computer? > > This might be a place for you to start, the page for Ubuntu server edition. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition. It has links to explanations and downloads. Specific questions to this list will get the best answers. From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 12:16:31 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:16:31 +0100 Subject: Outlook .pst files? In-Reply-To: <004201c99d39$4eb48580$ec1d9080$@net> References: <004201c99d39$4eb48580$ec1d9080$@net> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903070416y2a937c97ya473061c9761527b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 03:23, Jim Kilby wrote: > Can outlook .pst files be imported into the Evolution Mail program? Hi Jim, This is the procedure I followed: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/moving-outlook-email-data-to-linux-evolution-mail-client.html I hope it helps. Vincent From stephanos at writeme.com Sat Mar 7 12:21:25 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:21:25 +0000 Subject: when to resize partitions In-Reply-To: <49B0E3BE.3020008@writeme.com> References: <49A878A9.3080507@writeme.com> <3203000.ILWCPhKf7S@cedar.serverforest.com> <49A99966.2090804@writeme.com> <2353918.I25XBKTXPD@cedar.serverforest.com> <49B0E3BE.3020008@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49B266C5.4020009@writeme.com> Stephen Constantinou wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Stephen Constantinou wrote: >> >>> Q1) How can I tell which partition was the home partition? >> Best to boot into the Mandriva system and check what partitions are mounted. >> >>> Q2) Can I assume that if I chose the manual option I will be able to >>> combine all the non windows partitions and then at a different stage >>> allocate it to kubuntu and it will sort out the swop, bootable partition >>> etc. I am hoping I will not be asked which partitions are for which >>> purpose as I will not know. >> If you use the manual partitioning tool to _delete_ all the unneeded >> partitions, you then back up in the installer and restart the "guided" >> install - it will use all the available free space and partition it >> appropriately > Dear All and Derek > > Alas, alack > > I did this but ended up with Mandriva, XP, and Kubuntu on my computer. > It was as though after deleting the partitions and going back one stage > the deleted partitions were ignored. I was presented with three options > that used the word guided: > A) Guided - resize SCSII (0,0,0) partition #9 (sda) and use free space > (I did not chose this one as I could not understand why I could move the > slider partition to the far left but not allocate all to Kubuntu) > B) Guided - use entire disk > C) Guided - use the largest continuous free space (I chose this one as > it appeared to be the suggestion "-it will use all the available free > space and partition it") > As a result I have moved from this > SIZE USED > sda1 fat16 41MB 33MB > sda2 ntfs 78279MB 56634MB > sda4 fat32 3380MB 2366MB > > sda5 ext3 4186MB 604MB > sda6 swop 4186MB 0MB > sda7 ext3 8381MB 3316MB > sda8 ext3 28697MB 1216MB > sda9 ext3 28648MB 6842MB > sda10 ext3 4194MB 100MB > > to this: > SIZE USED > sda1 fat16 41MB 33MB > sda2 ntfs 78279MB 56634MB > sda4 fat32 3380MB 2366MB > sda5 ext3 4186MB 604MB > sda6 swap 4186MB 0MB > sda7 ext3 8381MB 3316MB > sda8 ext3 4375MB 828MB > sda11 ext3 23269MB 2578MB > sda12 swap 1052MB 0MB > sda9 ext3 28648MB 6842MB > sda10 ext3 4194MB 100MB > > Before I deleted these partition's I looked at the other options of > editing the partition and I was confronted with options I did not > understand: Ext3 Journalling file system, Ext2 Journalling file system > and many others. > > At one stage, I cannot remember what I had done, I was asked to select > /. That really confused me. > > sda1 and sda4 are probably the recovery partition and the diagnostic > tools that were installed by default by Dell. > > I am at the edge of my knowledge if not beyond it and now I am in a > worse position than before. Currently the default OS to boot is > Kubuntu. When my wife discovers this she will be really annoyed. > > So here are the questions > 1) What does the slider bar in option A mean? Should I have chosen this? > 2) How do I achieve my objective of Windows XP and Kubuntu (plus Dell > recovery and diagnostics)? > 3) If I do achieve this will I have to make XP the default or will it be > done for me? > > Any further help appreciated > > Yours in desperation > > Stephen Constantinou > Dear All and Meg Desperation led me to look again at all the previous replies. Meg's suggestion worked a treat. I downloaded an ISO of gparted made a bootable CD. Booted to it, deleted the now many unwanted partitions. Rebooted to the Kubuntu CD and chose the option to be guided - use the largest free space available. I have learnt a little, solved the problem and have exactly what I wanted. Thank you all, thank you Meg Stephen From stephanos at writeme.com Sat Mar 7 12:28:08 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:28:08 +0000 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 Message-ID: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> Dear All I now have the above (dual booting with XP) and I am dissatisfied with KDE. I have read a few other sources that describes the KDE task bar/system tray as problematic. I have been fiddling and tried unsuccessfully two simple things 1) make an application short cut in the task bar/left hand side. I can make a widget. 2) move the task bar to vertical right side of screen If I am not able to do these two things then KDE 4.1 is no improvement on 3.5. I would then need to know how to use an earlier KDE and make that the default. Any help and advice welcome Stephen Constantinou From robfleet at ix.netcom.com Sat Mar 7 12:44:50 2009 From: robfleet at ix.netcom.com (Rob) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:44:50 -0500 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <49B17DEF.1030207@haskinferguson.net> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <49B17DEF.1030207@haskinferguson.net> Message-ID: <1236429890.19481.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Where do you find "edit menus"? Rob On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 14:47 -0500, Denis Haskin wrote: > I've used it successfully but I think it may have been back on Hardy > or even Gutsy. Try running it from the command line to see what > error(s) it's throwing (you may need to go to Edit Menus if you don't > know what the command is to run it). > > dwh > > Rob wrote: > > Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth? I downloaded it and it > > seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed it's > > own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications list but > > when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it "crashes". > > In other words, it appears about to activate itself but then disappears > > completely. > > > > Thanks for any ideas. > > > > Rob > > > > > > From singlecell at tesco.net Sat Mar 7 13:16:26 2009 From: singlecell at tesco.net (singlecell) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:16:26 +0000 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <49B273AA.2090905@tesco.net> Rob wrote: > Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth? I downloaded it and it > seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed it's > own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications list but > when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it "crashes". > In other words, it appears about to activate itself but then disappears > completely. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > Rob > > I recently installed GoogleEarth on Ubuntu 8.10 after googling the errors output when running the application from the terminal window. Unpack and install (done from directory containing downloaded installer) chmod +x GoogleEarthLinux.bin sudo ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin The problem after a successful install is that google-earth comes with it's own, impompatable, version of the libcrypto library in the install. The solution is to remove it and replace it with a link to the library shipped with Ubuntu. Fix libcrypto reference: sudo rm /opt/google-earth/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 libcrypto.so.0.9.8 After that it worked fine (for me). From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 13:31:41 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:31:41 +0200 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903070531h463a3cd2lf24e86a1d4bee7c4@mail.gmail.com> > I now have the above (dual booting with XP) and I am dissatisfied with > KDE.  I have read a few other sources that describes the KDE task > bar/system tray as problematic. > > I have been fiddling and tried unsuccessfully two simple things > 1) make an application short cut in the task bar/left hand side.  I can > make a widget. > 2) move the task bar to vertical right side of screen > > If I am not able to do these two things then KDE 4.1 is no improvement > on 3.5.  I would then need to know how to use an earlier KDE and make > that the default. > > Any help and advice welcome > Stephen, KDE 4.1 was not meant to be an improvement on KDE 3.5! I is a step in a new direction, and KDE made it clear that KDE 4.1 was not meant for regular end users. Why did most of the major distros (Kubuntu included) use it anyway? I really don't know. KDE 4.2 (in Jaunty) _is_ meant for end users, and includes most of the funtionality of KDE 3.5. A few things are missing, but not much, and many new things have been added. I will be upgrading my users to KDE 4.2 when it becomes standard in Jaunty, in fact, we mostly skipped over Kubuntu Intrepid. I do not represent KDE nor Ubuntu / Canonical however as a community member I apologize for the problems caused by including KDE4.1 in end-user software. It was a bad decision, and many people were burned by it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From amichai at iglu.org.il Sat Mar 7 14:06:36 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:06:36 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 14:01, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I want to re-install my Kubuntu box. I am currently running Kubuntu Hardy > > (8.04.2). > > > > I have an 80GB HDD partitioned as follows: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > > > /dev/sda1 38G 11G 25G 31% / > > /dev/sda3 38G 34G 2.2G 95% /home > > > > As you can see, too much disk space gets wasted on the root (/) > partition. > > > > My idea was to do the following, and I'd like your input / ideas or even > a > > pointer to a relevant guide/ HOWTO: > > > > I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my $HOME, so I > > thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my $HOME. > > Amichai, even 15 GB will more than enough. How did you get to 11 GB?!? > Are you storing a VM on the / partition? Even with my 500 GB drive on > the home system, / is in a 12 GB partition and in the four years that > I've been using that size I have never come close to filling it. Well, > once, but that was because of a rapidly filling log file and even 100 > GB would have been filled quickly! And there is quite a bit of > software installed. > I don't know how it filled up that much - I tend to try different apps and I don't always get to remove them. Acording to Synaptic, I have 25557 paqckages installed... > > Then, I thought I'd install from a regular Ubuntu (Gnome desktop by > default) > > and then install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package. I do not like the Gnome > > desktop (freedom of choice, and all that, you know...). I thought doing > it > > this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out of the > > box.... > > > > Since 7.04 I have been using the Kubuntu disk instead of the Ubuntu > disk + KDE. It's fine now, in fact, it is better because the admin is > done with KDE tools and I don't have to go guessing what the Gnome > equivalents are. > I wasn't planning to remove the Gnome desktop - just leave it and set KDE as default. on second thought, it seems like a dumb idea. i guess I'll use the Kubuntu 8.04.1 ISO I have. > > Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to re-size a > > partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone tried > it > > as part of a test on a test machine. > > > > I can loan to you a 40 GB hard drive and a UDB-IDE adaptor to put your > data on. With that you can format the whole thing and repartition as > part of the install. You might want to wait another month and do that > with Kubuntu 9.04 as it comes with KDE 4.2[.1 I think] and even the > current Alpha is wholly usable. I am excited about that release! I have a spair disk and the adaptor, but I am not sure what's the best way to make sure my $HOME got mirrored entirely. I found 'mirrordir' in the repo's, so I thought I'd give it a try. > > My number is 0547881700 you can call after מוצא שבת to arrange for me > to bring the disk to the Technion tomorrow. Of course, this is > assuming that you are the same Amichai from the Technion! It does seem I'll be there tomorow (yes I am the one and the same Amichai (Pingu) from the Technion's SSDL! I will be happy to meet you there. regardless of the HDD - we have other issues pending - but that's a story for another mailing list or PM... ;-) > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي > А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я > а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 7 13:53:22 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:53:22 -0400 Subject: Google Earth for Linux References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <20090306133747.49a76919@chris.makeworld.com> Message-ID: <3195813.fIPHye0GQP@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Chris wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:10 -0500 >> Rob wrote: >> >>> Has anyone had any difficulty with Google Earth?  I downloaded it and >>> it seemed to install fine (from the command line) and even installed >>> it's own menu list/icon in the Internet section of the Applications >>> list but when I click on the icon (also installed on the desktop), it >>> "crashes". In other words, it appears about to activate itself but >>> then disappears completely. >>> >> Same here. Both new and old version. That being said, if you open a >> terminal, it will run from there. Odd as that is. > > Try moving or deleting your ~/.googleearth directory... The installer > creates a prefs file as root that can choke GE... And if that doesn't work, start it from the menu, then look in ~/.xsession-errors -- derek From smoot at tic.com Sat Mar 7 14:10:49 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:10:49 -0700 Subject: executable file does not exist In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20090305153823.033cfa18@cib.csic.es> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20090305153823.033cfa18@cib.csic.es> Message-ID: <1236435049.6431.426.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 15:42 +0100, Eva Torreira wrote: > Hallo! > > I am trying to install a programm using an executable file in Ubuntu > 8.04. It should work quite easily.... > But when I try to execute it with "sudo ./programm name" a received a > message that says that the file does not exist. But it does! I can see > it, I can copy it into another directory... > I have tried to execute it in /usr/local and from Desktop, but the > message does not change. > > I would really appreciate your help!! Check to be sure the file has the execute bits set. If you are getting a message like: sudo: unable to execute ./zzz: No such file or directory then the file may be a script and the script interpreter is not installed on your system. The above usually means the pathname found in the first line of the script does not exist. #! -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From squareyes at internode.on.net Sat Mar 7 14:13:49 2009 From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:43:49 +1030 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <1236429890.19481.5.camel@UpstairsRob> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <49B17DEF.1030207@haskinferguson.net> <1236429890.19481.5.camel@UpstairsRob> Message-ID: <49B2811D.2060504@internode.on.net> Rob wrote: > Where do you find "edit menus"? > > >>> snip >>> >>> > > > Hi, try right clicking on Applications or Places or System menus Take Care Winton From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 14:12:58 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:12:58 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903070612p1ef80ab4v853f17e84c525b7a@mail.gmail.com> > I have a spair disk and the adaptor, but I am not sure what's the best way > to make sure my $HOME got mirrored entirely. I found 'mirrordir' in the > repo's, so I thought I'd give it a try. > If you want to mirror it, use rsync. I usually just copy all the files from one drive to the other on the cli with "cp /home/user/ /media/disk/backup/". I had used Konqueror in the past, but sometimes Konqueror gets 'stuck'. I see no need for a home user to do more than that. Of course, verify the transfer before formatting! > It does seem I'll be there tomorow (yes I am the one and the same Amichai > (Pingu) from the Technion's SSDL! > > I will be happy to meet you there. regardless of the HDD - we have other > issues pending - but that's a story for another mailing list  or PM... ;-) > I have a Chemistry exam in the morning, I should be done at noon. Coffee in Taub? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net Sat Mar 7 14:58:01 2009 From: pierre.frenkiel at laposte.net (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:58:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: <49B22F88.1040503@carl-fh.com> References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> <49B22F88.1040503@carl-fh.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, Carl Friis-Hansen wrote: > I am just using gimp . . . thanks Carl, it's actually as easy as with xv. One xv feature is missing: the ability to disconnect width and height tuning, but I agree that it is not very often useful. -- Pierre Frenkiel From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 7 16:26:46 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:26:46 -0400 Subject: when to resize partitions References: <49A878A9.3080507@writeme.com> <3203000.ILWCPhKf7S@cedar.serverforest.com> <49A99966.2090804@writeme.com> <2353918.I25XBKTXPD@cedar.serverforest.com> <49B0E3BE.3020008@writeme.com> <49B266C5.4020009@writeme.com> Message-ID: <1301269.phf2crdgHg@cedar.serverforest.com> Stephen Constantinou wrote: > Desperation led me to look again at all the previous replies. Meg's > suggestion worked a treat. I downloaded an ISO of gparted made a > bootable CD. Booted to it, deleted the now many unwanted partitions. > Rebooted to the Kubuntu CD and chose the option to be guided - use the > largest free space available. > > I have learnt a little, solved the problem and have exactly what I wanted. > > Thank you all, thank you Meg LOL. And I said Meg's solution was overkill :-) Proving once again that (a) there are many ways to do anything in Linux; (b) different things work for different people; and (c) hard as it is to believe, I don't always know best :-) -- derek From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:22:42 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:22:42 +1800 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236426597.5742.53.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> <1236426597.5742.53.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:49 AM, norman wrote: > To add further confusion to the situation if I load the file, which is > there as the  generic icon, into Gimp and then try to 'save as' I am > told the file already exists. That is what I would expect but, when I > accept to overwrite the existing file the saved file now appears as an > ordinary thumbnail. As far as I am aware, nothing has been changed. > > Curiouser and curiouser . . . OK - take a look at this bug I filed against GIMP: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551995 The gist of it is that (IMO) GIMP should create a gconf key when installed to offer itself as a thumbnail service for XCF files. It does not. If you create a new XCF file, a thumbnail is created. If you just open and close an XCF file in GIMP, the thumbnail is created. However, if you copy over a XCF file (like from a backup) no thumbnail is created. Since I'm a graphic designer by trade, this annoyed me quite a bit - but adding those keys via gconf (and installing the plug-in) has worked for several months now. Occasionally one will fail, but at least I can open a directory full of XCF files and 99% of them will get previews. I've also added keys to tell GIMP to thumbnail my PSD files. HTH, Chris From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:25:19 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:25:19 +1800 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: <49B273AA.2090905@tesco.net> References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <49B273AA.2090905@tesco.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:16 AM, singlecell wrote: [...] > The problem after a successful install is that google-earth comes with > it's own, impompatable, version of the libcrypto library in the install. > The solution is to remove it and replace it with a link to the library > shipped with Ubuntu. > > Fix libcrypto reference: > sudo rm /opt/google-earth/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 > sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 libcrypto.so.0.9.8 Oh yeah - I forgot about that mess. I deleted the libcrypto that ships with GE, but did not have to make the symlink - it picks up the system version on its own, I think. Chris From norman at littletank.org Sat Mar 7 17:39:46 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:39:46 +0000 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> <1236426597.5742.53.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1236447586.5742.57.camel@localhost> < snip > > > OK - take a look at this bug I filed against GIMP: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551995 > > The gist of it is that (IMO) GIMP should create a gconf key when > installed to offer itself as a thumbnail service for XCF files. It > does not. If you create a new XCF file, a thumbnail is created. If > you just open and close an XCF file in GIMP, the thumbnail is created. > However, if you copy over a XCF file (like from a backup) no > thumbnail is created. Since I'm a graphic designer by trade, this > annoyed me quite a bit - but adding those keys via gconf (and > installing the plug-in) has worked for several months now. > Occasionally one will fail, but at least I can open a directory full > of XCF files and 99% of them will get previews. > > I've also added keys to tell GIMP to thumbnail my PSD files. I will follow your example and see if it will help me as it appears to have helped you. Let's hope that the Gimp developers will catch up in the not to distant future. Norman From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 18:05:09 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:05:09 -0500 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: <1236219633.7703.33.camel@bsw> References: <1236219633.7703.33.camel@bsw> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > I am the only user of Evolution. > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > Evolution). > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > Evolution. > > How can I remove this extra step? I'm reading between the lines here, but I gather the problem is you have to unlock the keyring every time you want to check your mail. The easy solution is change the default login keyring to use the same password as you log in with. Then it will unlock that keyring when you log in, and not bother you. Use System -> Prefernces -> Encryption and Keyrings HTH Brian From sgrace at pobox.com Sat Mar 7 18:24:56 2009 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:24:56 -0800 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: References: <1236219633.7703.33.camel@bsw> Message-ID: <1236450296.7706.1.camel@midnight> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > > > I am the only user of Evolution. > > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > > Evolution). > > > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > > Evolution. > > > > How can I remove this extra step? > > I'm reading between the lines here, but I gather the problem is you > have to unlock the keyring every time you want to check your mail. > The easy solution is change the default login keyring to use the same > password as you log in with. Then it will unlock that keyring when > you log in, and not bother you. Use System -> Prefernces -> > Encryption and Keyrings I've had this issue on Hardy if set to automatically log in. If I disable Enable Automatic Login and there's no issue with Evolution (although I have to enter my username and password to log in, of course). From duckhead at freemail.hu Sat Mar 7 18:56:33 2009 From: duckhead at freemail.hu (DuckHead) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at webtent.net Sat Mar 7 20:18:02 2009 From: lists at webtent.net (Robert Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:18:02 -0500 Subject: Dual boot with CentOS Message-ID: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> I have installed CentOS 5.2 on a second hard drive and choosing no when asking to setup grub on my /dev/hda, leaving my Ubuntu grub intact, now how do I add CentOS to grub in Ubuntu? My existing grub menu.1st file looks like this... title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-13-generic root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-13-generic root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-13-generic title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-13-generic (recovery mode) root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-13-generic root=/dev/sda4 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-13-generic Also, my system looks like this.... robert at columbus:~$ fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0000f444 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 129 1036161 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda2 130 3316 25599577+ 5 Extended /dev/sda3 6504 19457 104053005 83 Linux /dev/sda4 3317 6503 25599577+ 83 Linux /dev/sda5 130 3316 25599546 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x212d5ea7 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 5099 40957686 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 5100 19457 115330635 83 Linux I tried the following added to the end of menu.1st, but get an error - invalid or unsupported executable format... title CentOS 5.2 root (hd1,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-92.el5xen root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-92.el5xen.img I've tried several googled variations using 'makeactive' and 'chainloader +1', but nothing works yet. -- Robert From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Mar 7 20:18:55 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:18:55 +0100 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Amichai Rotman wrote: > > > > I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my > $HOME, so I > > thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my $HOME. > > Amichai, even 15 GB will more than enough. How did you get to 11 GB?!? kdirstat will show you where your / space is wasted. I would use it, since Dotan is correct, 20GB for / ssems indeed a bit oversized to me, at least. Surely when you are operating servers that store data somewhere beneath /, this is a different story. >I thought > doing it > > this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out > of the > > box.... sorry for my wording, but this is simply nonsense. When you want to have Kubuntu, Kubuntu is what will give you Kubuntu.;-) > > > > Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to > re-size a > > partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone > tried it > > as part of a test on a test machine. As Nils pointed out this is done troublefree with a Live-CD. Use gparted and you can graphically change your disk sizes to what suits you best. As always, when you are juggling with partitions, a good backup is worthwhile. I never needed to use it, but its always good to have a fallback option. I am using RIP Linux (recovery is possible) or the sysrescue CD, but just about any Live CD will do. regards Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Mar 7 20:24:06 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:24:06 +0100 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903070531h463a3cd2lf24e86a1d4bee7c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> <880dece00903070531h463a3cd2lf24e86a1d4bee7c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I do not represent KDE nor Ubuntu / Canonical however as a community > member I apologize for the problems caused by including KDE4.1 in > end-user software. It was a bad decision, and many people were burned > by it. > This is so true!! I got back to my good old habits and used XFCE to allow KDE to become useable, once again. :-( However there is hope for you and me. Should you refer to Ubuntu 8.10, then simply upgrade your KDE to 4.21 and voilà, you are there...;-) Eberhard From stephanos at writeme.com Sat Mar 7 20:42:23 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:42:23 +0000 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> <880dece00903070531h463a3cd2lf24e86a1d4bee7c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B2DC2F.60404@writeme.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> I do not represent KDE nor Ubuntu / Canonical however as a community >> member I apologize for the problems caused by including KDE4.1 in >> end-user software. It was a bad decision, and many people were burned >> by it. >> > This is so true!! I got back to my good old habits and used XFCE to > allow KDE to become useable, once again. :-( > > However there is hope for you and me. > > Should you refer to Ubuntu 8.10, then simply upgrade your KDE to 4.21 > and voilà, you are there...;-) > > Eberhard > Dear All Thanks for that advice and I have been very active. I have read a few forums and found out how to get KDE 4.2. I now have this - instructions below for those interested. This move has done me no good at all. 4.2 either cannot perform the two simple things I wanted or it is so hidden I have not manged to find it yet. The two things are: 1) make shortcuts in the panel (what used to be the task bar) to applications to go next to the K 2) make the panel (what used to be the task bar) vertical left I now have a third requirement that I cannot do 3) I cannot make a widget remain at the right far right of the panel (what used to be the task bar) 4) I have also noticed that when applications are open they do not have a button on the panel (what used to be the task bar) This is beginning to feel more reminiscent of Windows where simple functionality was removed in the name of something or other. I explored this upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 and 4.1 to 4.2 so as to get support for my all in one. Now I cannot make simple things happen. Any help appreciated frustrated of South Wales Stephen How to get upgrade from KDE 4.1 in place of 4.2 in Kubuntu 8.10 (http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2) 1) Remove packages for koffice and plasma 2) Start Adept Installer Add/Remove Software 3) Click Sources > Edit Software Sources. On the make sure you select the 3rd tab-Updates make sure the Recommended and the Unsupported options are selected. Click Close 4) Click Adept (top left) and then chose to Fetch the updated package list. KDE 4.2 will be one of those. 5) Install this and anythiing else while you are there 6) Either log out of KDE and log back in or reboot All done From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 7 20:45:05 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:45:05 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090307134505.14e3fcc9@teamcharliesangels.com> Please go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users to unscribe yourself. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From ugly at frightenstein.com Sat Mar 7 22:00:38 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:00:38 -0500 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> Message-ID: <009501c99f70$26efc0d0$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Constantinou" To: "Ubuntu E-Mail List" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 > Dear All > > I now have the above (dual booting with XP) and I am dissatisfied with > KDE. I have read a few other sources that describes the KDE task > bar/system tray as problematic. > > I have been fiddling and tried unsuccessfully two simple things > 1) make an application short cut in the task bar/left hand side. I can > make a widget. > 2) move the task bar to vertical right side of screen > > If I am not able to do these two things then KDE 4.1 is no improvement > on 3.5. I would then need to know how to use an earlier KDE and make > that the default. > > Any help and advice welcome Can't help you. But you raised one more questionn - about this latest Ubuntu incarnation that you refer to as "lubuntu" --- what is that? I've only been familiar with Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu and the formerly-named Vibuntu (now Vinux). From stephen_o at rogers.com Sat Mar 7 22:53:31 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:53:31 -0500 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader Message-ID: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> I have used Mandrake and Red Hat linux in the past. I just installed ubuntu 8.10 64 bit on my desktop computer. Other people use the machine so I want Windows to be the default os to boot. I have tried the help files and google and can't find any info on configuring the boot loader. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance Stephen Oulton From stephanos at writeme.com Sat Mar 7 22:57:05 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:57:05 +0000 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <009501c99f70$26efc0d0$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> <009501c99f70$26efc0d0$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> Message-ID: <49B2FBC1.2070404@writeme.com> Ugly Me wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Constantinou" > To: "Ubuntu E-Mail List" > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:28 AM > Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 > > >> Dear All >> >> I now have the above (dual booting with XP) and I am dissatisfied with >> KDE. I have read a few other sources that describes the KDE task >> bar/system tray as problematic. >> >> I have been fiddling and tried unsuccessfully two simple things >> 1) make an application short cut in the task bar/left hand side. I can >> make a widget. >> 2) move the task bar to vertical right side of screen >> >> If I am not able to do these two things then KDE 4.1 is no improvement >> on 3.5. I would then need to know how to use an earlier KDE and make >> that the default. >> >> Any help and advice welcome > > Can't help you. But you raised one more questionn - about this latest Ubuntu > incarnation that you refer to as "lubuntu" --- what is that? > I've only been familiar with Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu and the > formerly-named Vibuntu (now Vinux). > Dear Ugly Me It is a typing error I forgot to correct. Kubuntu. Thanks stephen From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Sat Mar 7 23:18:55 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:18:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: <1236450296.7706.1.camel@midnight> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Grace [mailto:sgrace at pobox.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:25 AM > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 > > > On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > > > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > > > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > > > > > I am the only user of Evolution. > > > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > > > Evolution). > > > > > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > > > Evolution. > > > > > > How can I remove this extra step? > > > > I'm reading between the lines here, but I gather the problem is you > > have to unlock the keyring every time you want to check your mail. > > The easy solution is change the default login keyring to > use the same > > password as you log in with. Then it will unlock that keyring when > > you log in, and not bother you. Use System -> Prefernces -> > > Encryption and Keyrings > > I've had this issue on Hardy if set to automatically log in. If I > disable Enable Automatic Login and there's no issue with Evolution > (although I have to enter my username and password to log in, of > course). > > I am having the same problem. I have 2 questions: 1. how do I use the system -> prefferences -> encryption and passwords applet to fix this? I cannot get it to let me do anything in there other than check a couple of checkboxes which don't seem to do anything. 2. How do I disable my autologin feature for my account? From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 23:20:09 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:20:09 -0300 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49B30129.2000806@gmail.com> Stephen wrote: > Other people use the machine so I want Windows to be the default os to > boot. I have tried the help files and google and can't find any info on > configuring the boot loader. > > > On a terminal: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst Look for: # default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default 0 edit the default value to match your needs. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Sat Mar 7 23:20:19 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: <1236450296.7706.1.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <5f58ec6f-a922-4c6b-bd25-86c7d8fc8a22@default> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Grace [mailto:sgrace at pobox.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:25 AM > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 > > > On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > > > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > > > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > > > > > I am the only user of Evolution. > > > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > > > Evolution). > > > > > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > > > Evolution. > > > > > > How can I remove this extra step? > > > > I'm reading between the lines here, but I gather the problem is you > > have to unlock the keyring every time you want to check your mail. > > The easy solution is change the default login keyring to > use the same > > password as you log in with. Then it will unlock that keyring when > > you log in, and not bother you. Use System -> Prefernces -> > > Encryption and Keyrings > > I've had this issue on Hardy if set to automatically log in. If I > disable Enable Automatic Login and there's no issue with Evolution > (although I have to enter my username and password to log in, of > course). > > Another question, I have my pop account set to remember my password, but it doesn't seem to do this for either the pop or smtp servers. Any ideas how to get this to work? From 4030man at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 23:30:31 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:30:31 -0800 Subject: Dual boot with CentOS In-Reply-To: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> References: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Message-ID: <49B30397.4090508@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > > Also, my system looks like this.... > > robert at columbus:~$ fdisk -l > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 129 1036161 82 Linux swap / Solaris > /dev/sda2 130 3316 25599577+ 5 Extended > /dev/sda3 6504 19457 104053005 83 Linux > /dev/sda4 3317 6503 25599577+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda5 130 3316 25599546 83 Linux > > Partition table entries are not in disk order > > Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x212d5ea7 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System ==>> /dev/sdb1 * 1 5099 40957686 83 Linux ==>> /dev/sdb2 5100 19457 115330635 83 Linux > Just curious? Is there a reason you lost 7-9 MB of storage in track 5000? nolan From 4030man at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 23:37:11 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:37:11 -0800 Subject: Dual boot with CentOS In-Reply-To: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> References: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Message-ID: <49B30527.2090407@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > I have installed CentOS 5.2 on a second hard drive and choosing no when > asking to setup grub on my /dev/hda, leaving my Ubuntu grub intact, now > how do I add CentOS to grub in Ubuntu? My existing grub menu.1st file > looks like this... > > title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-13-generic > root (hd0,3) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-13-generic root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-13-generic > > title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-13-generic (recovery mode) > root (hd0,3) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-13-generic root=/dev/sda4 ro single > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-13-generic > > Also, my system looks like this.... > > robert at columbus:~$ fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x0000f444 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 129 1036161 82 Linux swap / Solaris > /dev/sda2 130 3316 25599577+ 5 Extended > /dev/sda3 6504 19457 104053005 83 Linux > /dev/sda4 3317 6503 25599577+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda5 130 3316 25599546 83 Linux > > Partition table entries are not in disk order > > Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x212d5ea7 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 5099 40957686 83 Linux > /dev/sdb2 5100 19457 115330635 83 Linux > > I tried the following added to the end of menu.1st, but get an error - > invalid or unsupported executable format... > > title CentOS 5.2 > root (hd1,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-92.el5xen root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-92.el5xen.img > > I've tried several googled variations using 'makeactive' and > 'chainloader +1', but nothing works yet. > Hi Robert- I have been told not to post more than once, but "What The Hey" I might be wrong, I believe the title line for CentOS needs a kernel specified. later nolan From sgrace at pobox.com Sat Mar 7 23:46:30 2009 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:46:30 -0800 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236469590.6022.1.camel@midnight> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 15:18 -0800, Don Raikes wrote: > 2. How do I disable my autologin feature for my account? System > Administration > Login Window > Security tab (in Ubuntu 8.04) From diesch at spamfence.net Sun Mar 8 00:27:28 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:27:28 +0100 Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! In-Reply-To: <270537.4890.qm@web92411.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> (ziffer@yahoo.cn's message of "Sat\, 7 Mar 2009 13\:01\:44 +0800 \(CST\)") References: <270537.4890.qm@web92411.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87prgseu4v.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Ziffer wrote: > I tried purging emacs and got : > > Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. > !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! > !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages > !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. > !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 > !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 > > Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. > > !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! > !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages > !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. > !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 > !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 > > I attach both /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 and /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 here The file /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el, which is in package emacsen-common, seems to be missing. Try reinstall emacsen-common Florian -- From 4030man at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 00:46:15 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:46:15 -0800 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > I have used Mandrake and Red Hat linux in the past. I just installed > ubuntu 8.10 64 bit on my desktop computer. > > Other people use the machine so I want Windows to be the default os to > boot. I have tried the help files and google and can't find any info on > configuring the boot loader. > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > Thanks in advance > > Stephen Oulton > This will help http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowTo later nolan From stephanos at writeme.com Sun Mar 8 01:28:40 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:28:40 +0000 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49B31F48.7060709@writeme.com> Stephen wrote: > I have used Mandrake and Red Hat linux in the past. I just installed > ubuntu 8.10 64 bit on my desktop computer. > > Other people use the machine so I want Windows to be the default os to > boot. I have tried the help files and google and can't find any info on > configuring the boot loader. > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > Thanks in advance > > Stephen Oulton > Dear Stephen Here is a third method just to add to your options. I used it on my Kubuntu 8.10, (32bit). 1) Click K > System > System Settings > 2nd Tab Advanced > Grub Editor > Entries tab - select which O/S you want to boot as default 2) In addition you could look at the Options tab to change how long the countdown is until the default O/S boots Let us all know which one worked Good luck another Stephen From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 01:29:15 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:29:15 -0300 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Nolan Cooper <4030man at gmail.com> wrote: >  Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > This will help > > http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowTo > > later > nolan You probably wanted to type: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto L. From stephen_o at rogers.com Sun Mar 8 02:11:43 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:11:43 -0500 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B3295F.3090105@rogers.com> Nolan Cooper wrote: > Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > >> I have used Mandrake and Red Hat linux in the past. I just installed >> ubuntu 8.10 64 bit on my desktop computer. >> >> Other people use the machine so I want Windows to be the default os to >> boot. I have tried the help files and google and can't find any info on >> configuring the boot loader. >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Stephen Oulton >> >> > This will help > > http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowTo > > later > nolan > > Thank you for your reply. I have the problem solved. 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I used it on my > Kubuntu 8.10, (32bit). > > 1) Click K > System > System Settings > 2nd Tab Advanced > Grub Editor > > Entries tab - select which O/S you want to boot as default > 2) In addition you could look at the Options tab to change how long the > countdown is until the default O/S boots > > Let us all know which one worked > > > Good luck > > another Stephen > > Thanks for the reply. Lucio M Nicolosi sent me an email on how to edit the grub boot list with sudo gedit, and the problem has been solved. The other Stephen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this case, the default > entry > # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. > # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your > # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. > default 0 > > edit the default value to match your needs. > > L. > > Thanks for the information it worked great. Now I don't have any complaints about having to search a list for windoz. Thanks; Stephen Oulton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm trying to install it over Ubuntu 8.10Desktop Edition 64-bit, but I've failed to do so the whole day yesterday - http://ideamonk.blogspot.com/search/label/mooshak I'm using Apache/2.2.9 (Ubuntu). Thanks, Abhishek Mishra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 8 04:01:17 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:01:17 -0500 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> Saurabh Singh wrote: > *hello sir ** > * > *last year I have got cd ububntu 7.04* > *which was earliar getting updated by internet but right now * > *it does not get updated* > *and no one software from the internet is being installed* > *what error am I commiting* > *please send me solution.* > 7.04 is no longer supported. sudo update-manager -d in a terminal to upgrade -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 04:05:27 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:05:27 -0300 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Saurabh Singh wrote: > hello sir > last year I have got cd ububntu 7.04 > which was earliar getting updated by internet but right now > it does not get updated > and no one software from the internet is being installed > what error am I commiting > please send me solution. No error, it seems. I guess that Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty) is not supported any more, thus no automatic updating. You should consider upgrading to (Hardy) 8.04 (Long Term Support) or (Intrepid) 8.10. You might have to download the desired version (ISO), burn a CD, and proceed to a fresh install (preserving or backing up your /home partition) since there's no path available for a direct upgrade from 7.04. Regards, L. From dcurtis at uniserve.com Sun Mar 8 04:08:00 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:08:00 -0500 Subject: Google Earth for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <1236366191.19481.4.camel@UpstairsRob> <49B273AA.2090905@tesco.net> Message-ID: <20090307230800.4f11a8fa.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:25:19 +1800 Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:16 AM, singlecell wrote: > [...] > > The problem after a successful install is that google-earth comes with > > it's own, impompatable, version of the libcrypto library in the install. > > The solution is to remove it and replace it with a link to the library > > shipped with Ubuntu. > > > > Fix libcrypto reference: > > sudo rm /opt/google-earth/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 > > sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 libcrypto.so.0.9.8 > > Oh yeah - I forgot about that mess. I deleted the libcrypto that > ships with GE, but did not have to make the symlink - it picks up the > system version on its own, I think. > > Chris > The same thing happens with the googleearth package from medibuntu in Jaunty. Except that the libcryto file is in /usr/lib/googleearth/. I've filed a bug on it if anybody wishes to confirm it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/339402 -- David Curtis From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 8 04:16:07 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:16:07 -0500 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:01 AM, steve wrote: > >> sudo update-manager -d >> >> in a terminal to upgrade >> -- >> Steve Reilly > > Steve, > > Is this possible from 7.04? > > L. > never did it, but i dont see why not? probably have to take it a step at a time, first to 7.10, then 8.04. can anyone test this? -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 04:25:39 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:25:39 -0300 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:16 AM, steve wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:01 AM, steve wrote: >> >>> sudo update-manager -d >>> >>> in a terminal to upgrade >>> -- >>> Steve Reilly >> >> Steve, >> >> Is this possible from 7.04? >> >> L. >> > > never did it, but i dont see why not?  probably have to take it a step > at a time, first to 7.10, then 8.04. > > can anyone test this? > >> -- > Steve Reilly > > http://reillyblog.com > > You are right, it is the recommended way, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion (Although I'd rather perform a fresh install.) L. From luke at digitalenigma.net Sun Mar 8 04:33:55 2009 From: luke at digitalenigma.net (Luke Militello) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:33:55 -0500 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49B34AB3.5000308@digitalenigma.net> steve wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:01 AM, steve wrote: >> >>> sudo update-manager -d >>> >>> in a terminal to upgrade >>> -- >>> Steve Reilly >> Steve, >> >> Is this possible from 7.04? >> >> L. >> > > never did it, but i dont see why not? probably have to take it a step > at a time, first to 7.10, then 8.04. > > can anyone test this? > > > > > > Yes, that is correct. Ensure you have a complete updated Feisty (7.04) system. Then upgrade to Gutsy (7.10): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades Ensure you have a complete updated Gutsy (7.10) system. Then upgrade to Hardy (8.04) LTS: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades I would recommend staying at Hardy as it is supported for 3 years (desktop) / 5 years (server) and you can upgrade right to 10.04 LTS when is comes along. If you want to have the latest and greatest, do the same procedure as above, but for Intrepid. Ensure you have a complete updated Hardy (8.04) LTS system. Then upgrade to Intrepid (8.10): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades Hope this gets you where you want to be ;) -Luke From ziffer at yahoo.cn Sun Mar 8 04:58:35 2009 From: ziffer at yahoo.cn (Ziffer) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:58:35 +0800 (CST) Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! References: Message-ID: <866076.94858.qm@web92405.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:27:28 Florian Diesch wrote: >Ziffer wrote: >> I tried purging emacs and got : >> >> Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >> !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >> !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >> !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >> !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >> !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 >> >> Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >> >> !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >> !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >> !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >> !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >> !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 >> >> I attach both /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 and /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 here >The file /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el, which is in package >emacsen-common, seems to be missing. >Try reinstall emacsen-common I tried your advisement to reinstall emacsen-mon and still got the same error. Is there anyway else to get it works? Thank Florian anyway. 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URL: From shininggg2000 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 05:00:54 2009 From: shininggg2000 at gmail.com (Shining Wisdom) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:00:54 -0500 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49B35106.5080600@gmail.com> steve wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:01 AM, steve wrote: >> >> >>> sudo update-manager -d >>> >>> in a terminal to upgrade >>> -- >>> Steve Reilly >>> >> Steve, >> >> Is this possible from 7.04? >> >> L. >> >> > > never did it, but i dont see why not? probably have to take it a step > at a time, first to 7.10, then 8.04. > > can anyone test this? > > > > > > > i did this from 7.10 to 8.04 without problem From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 05:09:01 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 02:09:01 -0300 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: <49B34AB3.5000308@digitalenigma.net> References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49B3430D.1050805@roadrunner.com> <49B34687.4030405@roadrunner.com> <49B34AB3.5000308@digitalenigma.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Luke Militello wrote: /snips... > Yes, that is correct. > > Ensure you have a complete updated Feisty (7.04) system.  Then upgrade > to Gutsy (7.10): > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades > > Ensure you have a complete updated Gutsy (7.10) system.  Then upgrade to > Hardy (8.04) LTS: > > -Luke Nevertheless there are some possible issues with upgrading from 7.04. From: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes "Unsupported (Obsolete) Versions End-of-life releases have been supported previously but have reached the end of their support cycle. It would be best for users of these versions to perform a fresh install of the latest Ubuntu release. Links have been removed since the upgrades between these versions are no longer supported. However, users still trying to do an upgrade on an experimental basis may find suggestions in: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+question/62184 L. From jorge.jsf at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 07:28:45 2009 From: jorge.jsf at gmail.com (Jorge Santos) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 03:28:45 -0400 Subject: Dual head setup, different resolution screens, virtual screen to big for smaller one Message-ID: <5df1aeab0903072328i7cd01d0fvb24f02cba2f22975@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a laptop with an external monitor attached. After fiddling for a while (using the graphical Display Preferences tool) I managed to run both screens at the optimal resolution for both but now the smaller screen has some space (on top) to which windows and the cursor can go that does not show on the actual screen. That's probably from the virtual screen size being to big for it. Additionally moving stuff around either screen is dog-slow, which I suspect is related to the same problem. Anyone has any ideas on how to fix this? I'll provide more details if necessary, of course. Thank you, Jorge From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 08:27:42 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:27:42 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> I have started working my way through "Programming - Principle and Practice" by B. Stroustrup. So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? Thanks, Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From sandyinchina at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 08:35:50 2009 From: sandyinchina at gmail.com (Sandy Harris) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:35:50 +0800 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Parker wrote: > So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you > folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? comp.lang.c++ newsgroup http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ Much good stuff on C http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ Especially the Ten Commandments http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html which apply just as much to C++ -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China From 4030man at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 08:58:54 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:58:54 -0800 Subject: How Do I Edit The Boot Loader In-Reply-To: References: <49B2FAEB.50002@rogers.com> <49B31557.7090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B388CE.8070000@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Nolan Cooper <4030man at gmail.com> wrote: >> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: >> This will help >> >> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowTo >> >> later >> nolan > > You probably wanted to type: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto > > L. > right on. By typing just the "http://" defaults to https: My location bar had not changed color, so had not observed the "s". nolan From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 08:59:59 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:59:59 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903080059r5fe56724h165a70471d4ff12a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > >> So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you >> folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? > > comp.lang.c++ newsgroup > http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ > > Much good stuff on C > http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ > > Especially the Ten Commandments > http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html > which apply just as much to C++ Thank you. Now to do the reading. Bob Parker From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sun Mar 8 09:49:31 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:49:31 +0100 Subject: updating In-Reply-To: References: <479186.61487.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1236505771.9022.17.camel@chronic> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 01:05 -0300, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > I guess that Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty) is not supported any more, thus no > automatic updating. You should consider upgrading to (Hardy) 8.04 > (Long Term Support) or (Intrepid) 8.10. This information is correct, but not complete: the only upgrade path from 7.04 is to 7.10. Saurabh will then need to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 very soon, because 7.10 will itself reach end-of-life in April 2009. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases It's probably better to back up all important data to another system, e.g., an external disk, and reinstalling a new Ubuntu. IF Saurabh wants to perform the upgrades instead, he should first change his software sources to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ This ensures that the last updates that were available for 7.04 are applied - these might be required for a successful update to 7.10. Saurabh, ask if you don't know how to do this. After the updates are applied and the backup done, you can run System -> Administration -> Update Manager. Then click the "Check" Button and wait until the option to upgrade is offered. Follow the instructions. Then repeat the last step (Upgrade Manager) to upgrade 7.10 -> 8.04. For what it's worth, I think that the fact that a user does not get informed by the system about reaching end-of-life status is a serious bug. A report is open here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/319146 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 11:25:46 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:25:46 +0200 Subject: lubuntu 8.1 and KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: <49B2DC2F.60404@writeme.com> References: <49B26858.2040707@writeme.com> <880dece00903070531h463a3cd2lf24e86a1d4bee7c4@mail.gmail.com> <49B2DC2F.60404@writeme.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903080425l4ae593fbpbcd80757f34fe263@mail.gmail.com> > 1) make shortcuts in the panel (what used to be the task bar) to > applications to go next to the K You _can_ do this, at least you could in the KDE 4.2 betas. I will check when I get home, the wife's machine is KDE 4.2. > 2) make the panel (what used to be the task bar) vertical left Also in the betas I tested this and it worked. You have to drag the button on the _configuration_panel_ not the panel itself. It's a severe usability issue, I will dig up the bug and post a link. Please comment on it when I do. > I now have a third requirement that I cannot do > 3) I cannot make a widget remain at the right far right of the panel > (what used to be the task bar) This is possible, which specific widget? > 4) I have also noticed that when applications are open they do not have > a button on the panel (what used to be the task bar) You can add a task bar. In fact, I suspect that the lack of a task bar is what is causing your problem [3]. > This is beginning to feel more reminiscent of Windows where simple > functionality was removed in the name of something or other. > In the name of progress. KDE 3.5 is still maintained, so we cannot complain. In fact, until only last month, KDE had recommeded that end users use only KDE 3.5.10, and now they recommend either as per the user's taste. So nothing was removed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From norman at littletank.org Sun Mar 8 12:09:35 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:09:35 +0000 Subject: thumbnails In-Reply-To: <1236447586.5742.57.camel@localhost> References: <1236341479.6550.13.camel@localhost> <1236418208.5742.45.camel@localhost> <1236426597.5742.53.camel@localhost> <1236447586.5742.57.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1236514175.5742.89.camel@localhost> > < snip > > > > > OK - take a look at this bug I filed against GIMP: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551995 > > < snip > I carried out the instructions given in the bug report the only difference being that in order to make it happen the 2 lines needed to be preceded by sudo. Next, I tested by copying some .xcf files to a memory stick, and they all appeared as the generic blue icon. So, I loaded Gimp to be sure that the plug-in was there and that it had been activated. It was there, so I closed Gimp and again copied the files to the memory stick and they appeared as thumbnails. The files were then copied from the memory stick to a blank folder and, again, they appeared as thumbnails. One interesting thing was that as the files were copied they initially appeared as the generic blue icon and then changed to the thumbnail. This seems to confirm the findings reported and thank you Chris. Norman From ff809 at ncf.ca Sun Mar 8 12:58:14 2009 From: ff809 at ncf.ca (Brian Lunergan) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:58:14 -0400 Subject: Adding menu entries to Wine... SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <1236186191.11012.10.camel@brian-home> <1236203640.16047.3.camel@brian-home> Message-ID: <49B3C0E6.3010406@ncf.ca> Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Brian Lunergan wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 13:31 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: >> >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> I'll give your instructions a try out and see how things go. > > Let me know how it works out - think I'll turn it into a blog post if > you can follow it ok. Morning Brian: Method seems to work just fine. I now have the tools in place to work with through the menu system. Thanks for the help and info. -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada From diesch at spamfence.net Sun Mar 8 13:19:36 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:19:36 +0100 Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! In-Reply-To: <866076.94858.qm@web92405.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> (ziffer@yahoo.cn's message of "Sun\, 8 Mar 2009 12\:58\:35 +0800 \(CST\)") References: <866076.94858.qm@web92405.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87fxho9mon.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Ziffer wrote: > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:27:28 Florian Diesch wrote: > >>Ziffer wrote: > >>> I tried purging emacs and got : >>> >>> Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >>> !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >>> !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >>> !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >>> !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >>> !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 >>> >>> Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >>> >>> !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >>> !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >>> !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >>> !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >>> !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 >>> >>> I attach both /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 and /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 here > >>The file /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el, which is in package >>emacsen-common, seems to be missing. >>Try reinstall emacsen-common > > I tried your advisement to reinstall emacsen-mon and still got the > same error. Is there anyway else to get it works? Thank Florian > anyway. Is the content of those /tmp/emacs22* files still the same? What does ls -l /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el say? Florian -- From glampshir at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 13:22:47 2009 From: glampshir at verizon.net (Geff Lampshire) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:22:47 -0400 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: References: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> <49B026EE.5090902@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49B3C6A7.5090506@verizon.net> Thanks for bringing it up - I do RC in the Annapolis area, and use the charts also - now I'll tryto make use of the cpnscreen too! --Geff NoOp wrote: > On 03/05/2009 11:24 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > >> NoOp wrote: >> >>> On 03/05/2009 04:45 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >>> >>>> NoOp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I try the above two, does anyone here have experience with either? >>>>> >>>>> Or, anyone know how I can just extract the chart in >>>>> http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18649.shtml >>>>> for printing? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Both of those work pretty well, I think. I work for a non-profit ISP >>>> that provides the NWS weather data to NOAA, so I know a bit about these >>>> things. Most of the guys here in Asheville (home of the largest weather >>>> data archive on the planet) use them both to varying degrees based on >>>> talks with them. I've never used them myself, but I've had to help >>>> compile them on odd procs before. Itanium2 especially. >>>> >>> Thanks! I'll give them a try this weekend & post back on how it goes. >>> > > >> Please do. May I inquire as to the reason for you using/needing these? >> >> >> > > During the racing season (sailing) I work on-water Race Committee in the > 18649 area (San Francisco Bay). I normally work deep water near the > Golden Gate Bridge. However, the courses are not always the same & some > some are in quite shallow water. So, I want to print out sections that I > commonly set race courses in & keep in my backpack so that it's easy for > me to pre-set lines & anchors before going out to set the racing marks. > > I did manage to get opencpn (Mike's suggestion) to bring up the chart > (thanks Mike!) but having some issues getting that program to print. For > the time being, zooming in to the area I need & taking a screenshot > works great. > > > > From hs.samix at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:44:17 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:44:17 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sandy Harris wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > >> So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you >> folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? > > comp.lang.c++ newsgroup > http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ Mind you, this is not for learning programming according to the C++ extremists there. The group is solely to discuss the C++ standard. If one asks general programming questions there which deviate even slightly from the C++ standard, he is flamed to cinders. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sun Mar 8 15:46:04 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000 Subject: Firewall question Message-ID: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> My firewall is blocking a particular website (www.pollingreport.com) despite the fact that I have set up no rules for it to do so. I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under Events -> Blocked connections Can anyone suggest what the problem is? Thanks, - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:50:04 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:50:04 -0700 Subject: clamav getting uuencoded format error Message-ID: <6824847a0903080850p28dc2288o909c16c77d233f65@mail.gmail.com> I've seen some mentions of this in searching, but not really what to do about it. My clamav scan is now pretty quiet, except for a single message: LibClamAV Error: Message is not in uuencoded format I believe there's a bug filed to resolve this, but I think a separate bug should be that it doesn't print the name of the file that it's scanning at the time. Am I going to have to do a --verbose run to figure out what file is having a problem with this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:53:37 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:53:37 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, H.S. wrote: > Sandy Harris wrote: >> Robert Parker wrote: >> >>> So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you >>> folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? >> >> comp.lang.c++ newsgroup >> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ > > Mind you, this is not for learning programming according to the C++ > extremists there. The group is solely to discuss the C++ standard. If > one asks general programming questions there which deviate even slightly > from the C++ standard, he is flamed to cinders. I've been reading from the above link and from what I read your comment does seem to fit that scenario. So where should I go instead? Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From jorge.jsf at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 16:25:25 2009 From: jorge.jsf at gmail.com (Jorge Santos) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:25:25 -0400 Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! In-Reply-To: <87fxho9mon.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <866076.94858.qm@web92405.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> <87fxho9mon.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <5df1aeab0903080925j4507c99era0c828d67cf91fe3@mail.gmail.com> Could you attach the file in /tmp that you get after trying to reinstall emacsen-common ? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Florian Diesch wrote: > Ziffer wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:27:28 Florian Diesch wrote: >> >>>Ziffer wrote: >> >>>> I tried purging emacs and got : >>>> >>>>     Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >>>>    !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >>>>    !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >>>>    !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >>>>    !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >>>>    !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 >>>> >>>>   Byte-compiling add-on packages, please wait... failed. >>>> >>>>    !! Byte-compilation for emacs22 failed! >>>>    !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages >>>>    !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. >>>>    !! Please file a bug report against emacs22 >>>>    !! and attach the file /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 >>>> >>>> I attach both /tmp/emacs22.wr6538 and  /tmp/emacs22.Yh6563 here >> >>>The file /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el, which is in package >>>emacsen-common, seems to be missing. >>>Try reinstall emacsen-common >> >> I tried your advisement to reinstall emacsen-mon and still got the >> same error. Is there anyway else to get it works? Thank Florian >> anyway. > > Is the content of those /tmp/emacs22* files still the same? > What does >  ls -l /etc/emacs/site-start.d/00debian-vars.el > say? > > >   Florian > -- > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:25:42 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:25:42 -0700 Subject: Firewall question References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > My firewall is blocking a particular website (www.pollingreport.com) > despite the fact that I have set up no rules for it to do so. > > I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under Events -> > Blocked connections > > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? > Perhaps it is not a problem at all, perhaps it is a feature. If your system didn't request a connection to that server, and the server was trying to connect to a port on your machine, then drop the packet would be a reasonable response for a firewall. From hs.samix at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 17:02:58 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:02:58 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Parker wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, H.S. wrote: >> Sandy Harris wrote: >>> Robert Parker wrote: >>> >>>> So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you >>>> folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? >>> comp.lang.c++ newsgroup >>> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ >> Mind you, this is not for learning programming according to the C++ >> extremists there. The group is solely to discuss the C++ standard. If >> one asks general programming questions there which deviate even slightly >> from the C++ standard, he is flamed to cinders. > > I've been reading from the above link and from what I read your > comment does seem to fit that scenario. So where should I go instead? First, it is difficult for anything to replace a good text book on programming in C++. The one you mentioned above is a reference and might appear to be more concise than what is comfortable at the intro level. Try consulting other books too which are a bit more explanatory. Remember, there are three major aspects of programming. One is thinking about the algorithm to be implemented. The other is the actual implementation of that using the source code. Finally, to actually realize that program, you need to compile it and run it. So, see if there is newsgroup specifically for learning how to program in C++. If not, I think there is a news group for algorithms (or is it for general programming methodology, not sure). That could be a start, but it is likely to be a lower traffic newsgroup and may contain traffic for various programming languages as well. The other choice is to try a linux newsgroup where spectrum of questions includes how to use programming tools in Linux environment, if you can frame it nicely, otherwise they will just try to push to the C++ group (yes, this catch-22 situation happens). There is also a newsgroup on numerical computation where numerical algorithms are discussed. For compiling and running part, I would just try any Linux distro group ("How do I compile this program that I wrote? Am I missing any libraries?"). So, basically, you have to try out a few things to settle on which best suits you. And, finally, refer google. There is tons of information on learning C++ on the web. Many places have this info in a very elegant manner which is more or less unlikely to be found in anybody's comments to your posts on any newsgroups. If I were you, I would start by searching for "how to learn C++ programming" and similar keywords in google. Read up the few web pages to get an idea of the general methodology, refer liberally to a text book, do examples and post specific questions on mailing lists or newsgroups as they come along. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From phb at hbsys.plus.com Sun Mar 8 16:18:50 2009 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:18:50 +0000 Subject: Crashable screen saver Message-ID: <49B3EFEA.4040102@hbsys.plus.com> Could someone point me to the configuration file that points to the current screen saver, please? I made the mistake of browsing the available choices and discovered that the "Molecule" version crashes my machine. That is, it locks up everything but the mouse pointer so there is no way out short of the Big Red Button. Even this doesn't help a lot as the screensaver preferences dialogue starts up with "Molecule" pre-selected, thus causing a recursive lock-up :-) I've temporarily got round the problem by renaming every file in the system with "Molecule" in its name, which seems a fairly crude over-kill for a simple problem. Peter HB From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 17:32:59 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:32:59 -0600 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B4014B.8000001@gmail.com> H.S. wrote: > Robert Parker wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, H.S. wrote: >> >>> Sandy Harris wrote: >>> >>>> Robert Parker wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> So far I am impressed but am rather new to C++ so could any of you >>>>> folk advise me about a good forum for my inevitable questions? >>>>> >>>> comp.lang.c++ newsgroup >>>> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ >>>> >>> Mind you, this is not for learning programming according to the C++ >>> extremists there. The group is solely to discuss the C++ standard. If >>> one asks general programming questions there which deviate even slightly >>> from the C++ standard, he is flamed to cinders. >>> >> I've been reading from the above link and from what I read your >> comment does seem to fit that scenario. So where should I go instead? >> > > > First, it is difficult for anything to replace a good text book on > programming in C++. The one you mentioned above is a reference and might > appear to be more concise than what is comfortable at the intro level. > Try consulting other books too which are a bit more explanatory. > > Remember, there are three major aspects of programming. One is thinking > about the algorithm to be implemented. The other is the actual > implementation of that using the source code. Finally, to actually > realize that program, you need to compile it and run it. > > So, see if there is newsgroup specifically for learning how to program > in C++. If not, I think there is a news group for algorithms (or is it > for general programming methodology, not sure). That could be a start, > but it is likely to be a lower traffic newsgroup and may contain traffic > for various programming languages as well. > > The other choice is to try a linux newsgroup where spectrum of questions > includes how to use programming tools in Linux environment, if you can > frame it nicely, otherwise they will just try to push to the C++ group > (yes, this catch-22 situation happens). > > There is also a newsgroup on numerical computation where numerical > algorithms are discussed. > > For compiling and running part, I would just try any Linux distro group > ("How do I compile this program that I wrote? Am I missing any libraries?"). > > So, basically, you have to try out a few things to settle on which best > suits you. > > And, finally, refer google. There is tons of information on learning C++ > on the web. Many places have this info in a very elegant manner which is > more or less unlikely to be found in anybody's comments to your posts on > any newsgroups. > > If I were you, I would start by searching for "how to learn C++ > programming" and similar keywords in google. Read up the few web pages > to get an idea of the general methodology, refer liberally to a text > book, do examples and post specific questions on mailing lists or > newsgroups as they come along. > > Good luck. > I suggest "C++ Programming: From Problem Analysis to Program Design", D.S. Malik, Course Technology, Thomson Learning. 2002 This is the text used at New Mexico State University and I bought the book and it is quite good. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sun Mar 8 17:56:49 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:56:49 +0000 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:25:42 -0700 Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > > > My firewall is blocking a particular website (www.pollingreport.com) > > despite the fact that I have set up no rules for it to do so. > > > > I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under > > Events -> Blocked connections > > > > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? > > > > Perhaps it is not a problem at all, perhaps it is a feature. If your > system didn't request a connection to that server, and the server was > trying to connect to a port on your machine, then drop the packet > would be a reasonable response for a firewall. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Obviously I'm trying to see the website. Why would the browser not request a connection, and only not request it on that particular website? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 8 18:03:57 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <49B3EFEA.4040102@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > From: Peter Hillier-Brook > Subject: Crashable screen saver > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:18 AM > Could someone point me to the configuration file that points > to the > current screen saver, please? I made the mistake of > browsing the > available choices and discovered that the > "Molecule" version crashes my > machine. That is, it locks up everything but the mouse > pointer so there > is no way out short of the Big Red Button. > Have you tried "locate screensaver.conf" which shows: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-screensaver.conffiles Cating the above gives two files in /etc that may help. etc/xdg/menus/gnome-screensavers.menu /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver I would have tried just removing the molecule.desktop first to see if that got rid of your lockup. > Even this doesn't help a lot as the screensaver > preferences dialogue > starts up with "Molecule" pre-selected, thus > causing a recursive lock-up :-) > > I've temporarily got round the problem by renaming > every file in the > system with "Molecule" in its name, which seems a > fairly crude over-kill > for a simple problem. > locate molecule shows: /usr/share/man/man6/molecule.6x.gz /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/molecule.xml Which may be worth looking at. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 8 17:43:55 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:43:55 -0300 Subject: Dual boot with CentOS References: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> <49B30397.4090508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2569379.pF0xD0QAOh@cedar.serverforest.com> Nolan Cooper wrote: > Just curious? > Is there a reason you lost 7-9 MB of storage in track 5000? Beats me about this particular case, but I never met a partition tool that gave me partition sizes exactly the size I request - typically they're smaller by a few megabytes. I remember once spending far too long trying to get those last few bits, and I just couldn't do it. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 8 17:51:12 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:51:12 -0300 Subject: Dual boot with CentOS References: <1236457082.7679.10.camel@columbus.webtent.org> <49B30527.2090407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1824975.FNcjqrGQYi@cedar.serverforest.com> Nolan Cooper wrote: > Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > Hi Robert- > I have been told not to post more than once, but "What The Hey" There's nothing inherently wrong with posting more than once - though it's odd in this case that you appear to be replying to yourself, not robert - but you should have something to add when you post again. What drives people nuts is when you see 3 or 4 identical posts because the poster seemed to be upset that he didn't get a perfect answer in five minutes. > I might be wrong, I believe the title line for CentOS needs a kernel > specified. No, it's a "title". It has nothing to do with the actual booting. In Robert's case, it has to do with the image on /dev/sdb1, but since it isn't an Ubuntu image I can't say off-hand what's wrong with his boot options, if anything. If you can get into the CentOS system, and run grub-install onto the superblock of /dev/sdb1, _then_ you can use "chainloader" to boot. If I'm running multiple Linuxes, I find this the best method. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 8 17:38:03 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:38:03 -0300 Subject: clamav getting uuencoded format error References: <6824847a0903080850p28dc2288o909c16c77d233f65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2285644.clIp4iRH41@cedar.serverforest.com> David Karr wrote: > I've seen some mentions of this in searching, but not really what to do > about it. > > My clamav scan is now pretty quiet, except for a single message: > > LibClamAV Error: Message is not in uuencoded format > > I believe there's a bug filed to resolve this, but I think a separate bug > should be that it doesn't print the name of the file that it's scanning at > the time. > > Am I going to have to do a --verbose run to figure out what file is having > a problem with this? No idea, but I'd just like to mention that this is my number 1 pet peeve about programming. Please, people, if you're going to trap errors, print ALL the data about the error. Otherwise you might as well just let the program fail - I can debug that. -- derek From robfleet at ix.netcom.com Sun Mar 8 20:05:42 2009 From: robfleet at ix.netcom.com (Rob) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:05:42 -0400 Subject: No Sound using KDE with Ubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: <1236542742.10636.2.camel@UpstairsRob> OK...I have done all the reading I can find on potential problems with sound (no sound at all) using KDE with Ubuntu 8.10 but no problems whatsoever with sound under Gnome. Has anyone been able to successfully tackle this problem yet or should I just wait for the next version? Thanks, Rob From hermanaa at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:59:33 2009 From: hermanaa at gmail.com (HermanAA) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:59:33 +0800 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: <5f58ec6f-a922-4c6b-bd25-86c7d8fc8a22@default> References: <5f58ec6f-a922-4c6b-bd25-86c7d8fc8a22@default> Message-ID: <1236545973.5887.18.camel@bsw> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 15:20 -0800, Don Raikes wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > > > > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > > > > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > > > > > > > I am the only user of Evolution. > > > > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > > > > Evolution). > > > > > > > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > > > > Evolution. > > > > > > > > How can I remove this extra step? > > > Another question, I have my pop account set to remember my password, > but it doesn't seem to do this for either the pop or smtp servers. Any > ideas how to get this to work? It works fine here. Using Evolution. Are your smtp messages going out? (if not, there's the prob) The system asks for the password first time you use the smtp. (not in advance). If you have 'remember password' marked, it is automatic ever there-after. It starts again asking for the pw if there is an smtp problem (just ignore, it will still remember the pw next time). Herman in PHL -- Herman. www.qrz.com/n0jn. Just one click to see me. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 8 21:06:27 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: PDFs save to file? In-Reply-To: References: <49B1E61C.90006@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49B43353.9030601@gatech.edu> Ken T. wrote: > On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:12:28 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> Ken T. wrote: >>> I'm running Swiftweasel for a browser (a firefox derivative) and >>> sometime a while back it stopped opening PDF files when I click on the >>> links and instead saves them to my desktop. >> Delete (or backup) mozpluggerrc if it's on your home directory (see man >> mozplugger for possible places), then: >> >> sudo apt-get remove --purge mozplugger sudo apt-get install kpdf >> sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozplugger >> >> Matt Flaschen > > Apparently mozplugger was not installed. I tried installing it, but that > didn't change anything. BTW, I'm running Hardy. I'm running hardy too. Did you run exactly the commands I gave (somehow it looks like the first two got made into one line)? Also, did you make sure you deleted all copies of mozpluggerrc on your computer? Matt Flaschen From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 8 22:46:51 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:51 -0700 Subject: NOAA BSB/RNC Charts In-Reply-To: <49B3C6A7.5090506@verizon.net> References: <49AFC97C.4090608@ercbroadband.org> <49B026EE.5090902@ercbroadband.org> <49B3C6A7.5090506@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 03/08/2009 06:22 AM, Geff Lampshire wrote: > Thanks for bringing it up - I do RC in the Annapolis area, and use the > charts also - now I'll tryto make use of the cpnscreen too! > > --Geff You'll like opencpn, it's a very cool program & once you learn to use it you can easily set course marks w/labels on the map. Only issues that I've found so far w/limited experimentation are: 1) I can't print from the linux version[1] - using it with Win2KPro from a VirtualBox works great, 2) the zoom scale factors are too large (needs the ability to zoom scale using mouse wheel) so you have to take the zooms as they are (or dig into the code & modify), and 3). I also had issues with ENC in linux (Win2KPro OK) - RNC no problems. It has actual navigational features (you can tie it into your gps etc., and is very well worth tinkering with & participating in the project IMO. Qgis works well for scaling (mouse wheel granularity works well) and picks up the .kap file(s) without issue. However I've apparently not tuned my version well enough as I found the on-screen display fonts not very clear. I suppose that can be fixed (I use 1.0.1-Kore) by setup options, but I've not bothered to dig deeper. Coastal Remote Sensing Program: http://www.csc.noaa.gov/crs/chartreproj.html Works as advertised. I converted 18649 to a tiff file (7.9MB) and can open with Qgis, Gimp, Inkscape, etc. Gimp goes wild & consumes the processor & CPU for quite awhile, but Inkscape opens it very fast. Note: the resulting tiff is the actual paper chart size - approx 4x3 feet. I did not try Chart View (yet): http://www.csc.noaa.gov/products/chartview/ or try to calibrate a chart: http://smittypaddler.com/chartview/tutorial/calibrate.htm Along these lines, NOAA has a neat new service that offers charts in PDF that you can download & print in booklet form. The site is: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html For your region select Atlantic Coast http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/AtlanticCoastBookletCharts.htm and select the chart that works best for your area (12283 10,000 Annapolis Harbor?) right click and download. These are ideal for visiting racers that are not familiar with the area (for instance high school or college sailors that come to sail the Baker, Mallory etc). [1] The screen fonts/features on OpenCPN are clear enough that you can use a screen shot in linux to easily print. Errors that I receive when trying to print in linux are along the lines of: (opencpn:26541): GnomePrint-WARNING **: Could not create filter from description 'GnomePrintFilterSelect': filter 'GnomePrintFilterSelect' is unknown (opencpn:26541): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance (opencpn:26541): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed (opencpn:26541): GnomePrint-WARNING **: Could not create filter from description 'GnomePrintFilterClip [ GnomePrintFilterMultipage ]': filter 'GnomePrintFilterClip' is unknown From daevid at daevid.com Sun Mar 8 22:48:51 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:48:51 -0700 Subject: How do I set meld as the default diff viewer for ubuntu updates? In-Reply-To: References: <1236367886.4332.13.camel@psedev1> Message-ID: So as I understand this (and please correct me if I'm wrong) what I'm asking for is still not possible/implemented??! > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of NoOp > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:59 PM > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: How do I set meld as the default diff viewer for > ubuntu updates? > > On 03/06/2009 11:31 AM, Daevid Vincent wrote: > > I am coming from Gentoo, where there was an excellent tool > "etc-update" > > and you could define your diff tool to be anything you > wanted. So as you > > went through each updated /etc file (after an 'emerge world' for > > example), it would load the new /etc file and your existing one into > > this amazing graphical diff tool called > > 'meld' ( http://meld.sourceforge.net/ ). You'd make your > changes, save > > and exit, then move on to the next /etc/ file to be > investigated... All > > nice and automatic like. > > > > In Ubuntu, I'm a little concerned that something like this doesn't > > exist?? > > When I do updates, I'm given a rather useless menu IMHO > that says things > > like: > > > > * install new version > > * keep old version > > * VIEW diffs -- this is useless because you can't do > anything with them > > AFAIK but _view_ the differences. > > * three way diff view > > > > ...and there might be some others, but nowhere do I see a > way to launch > > a user defined diff tool to interactively merge changes. > > > > Please tell me this is possible. > > > > > > I reckon that we should start you with launchpad... > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager > enter 'diff' in the search field, and the result is: > importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status% > 3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE _WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%> 3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Al ist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_> dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=> > > First one is what you are looking for: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/15029 > [Diff files in a more friendly format] > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From daevid at daevid.com Sun Mar 8 22:57:17 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:17 -0700 Subject: Framebuffer console help Message-ID: <2170B2FC2E7649E9BB3DC3843B32B0AF@locutus> I'm trying to set a 1280x1024 frame buffer console on my 8.10 server: When I do "vga=ask" the mode says "31B", but this page says "791" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConsoleFramebuffer Either one causes the screen to go high-resolution, blank and just a little "_" in the top left corner. It never recovers, yet the server is booted as I can ssh into it and the web/mysql/mail/etc are all working. What am I doing wrong? This is on an Intel mobo with built in graphics (however, I do get Compiz working just fine in X/Gnome) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phb at hbsys.plus.com Sun Mar 8 21:48:10 2009 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:48:10 +0000 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: [cut] >> > Have you tried "locate screensaver.conf" which shows: > /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-screensaver.conffiles I tried a different approach in that I used 'find' to locate any and all *molecule* files and than renamed them with a '.old' suffix. > Cating the above gives two files in /etc that may help. > etc/xdg/menus/gnome-screensavers.menu /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver I'll look at those out of interest; thanks for the hint. > I would have tried just removing the molecule.desktop first to see if > that got rid of your lockup. Interesting. I don't recall seeing that after find, but I'll try harder. :-) [cut] > locate molecule shows: > > /usr/share/man/man6/molecule.6x.gz > /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/molecule.xml Yes. Another rename. Thanks again for your help. Peter HB From daevid at daevid.com Sun Mar 8 23:06:51 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:06:51 -0700 Subject: ssh is slow to give me a prompt Message-ID: <5604ECCB6CF04B288F4F110CAA5291A8@locutus> When I ssh to my server (192.168.1.100) or my notebook (192.168.1.190) which is on my local NAT'ted 1GB LAN, it can take several seconds to get my prompt on either one. Both are Ubuntu 8.10. This doesn't seem normal. We run Ubuntu servers at work, and they're in a huge network and I can ssh to them very quickly. I've tried from various computers and they all exhibit this behaviour when connecting to the server or my notebook. Even connecting to each other is slow. Is there some PAM setting or sshd_config that I need to enable/disable to speed this up? They do go through a 1GB switch DLink router to each other, but I don't see how that would be the issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daevid at daevid.com Sun Mar 8 23:15:47 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:15:47 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X Message-ID: <68B037FF64444E179842C25ABB5E83DE@locutus> I installed 8.10 server, then added Gnome and all that goodness on top. When I boot however (and I swear this WAS working a week or so ago and I just did some updates today as per the update icon arrow), XDM doesn't auto start. I have /etc/init.d/gdm starting in 3,4,5 x11-common in 2,3,4,5 and xserver-wacom (i don't have a wacom anything) in 2,3,4,5 If I login and "startx" it works fine but bawks about user switching or something. if I manually just "/etc/init.d/gdm start" it fires up and works like a champ. So I'm confused as to where the disconnect is and why it isn't' starting with the other services? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 8 23:35:07 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:35:07 -0700 Subject: Simple application to print part of an image - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <20090303185325.GB31120@v-shell-1> <49ADF37E.8040904@gatech.edu> <20090304103011.GB17165@v-shell-1> <20090305184013.GC14192@v-shell-1> <20090305202352.GI14192@v-shell-1> Message-ID: On 03/06/2009 06:57 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > Saw this announced and thought of this loooong thread.... > http://shutter-project.org/downloads/ > Thanks for that :-) From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 23:46:08 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:46:08 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:02 AM, H.S. wrote: >> >> I've been reading from the above link and from what I read your >> comment does seem to fit that scenario. So where should I go instead? > > > First, it is difficult for anything to replace a good text book on > programming in C++. The one you mentioned above is a reference and might > appear to be more concise than what is comfortable at the intro level. > Try consulting other books too which are a bit more explanatory. > Actually the book "Programming - Principles and Practice Using C++" by Stroustrup is not a reference at all, it is an introductory course in programming using C++. The reference book you may have been thinking about is "The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup". I did have a copy of that many years ago, long before the STL was at all usable or maybe even in existence. All that book did at the time was persuade me to stick to C. But things have moved on since then. What I am looking for is some online group where I can kick ideas around and exchange with others. My situation is that as a retiree in Chiang Mai Thailand I have no one around to interact with on programming topics so I am looking to do that online. With an emphasis on C++ and the use of libraries such as STL and others which might be useful. Thanks for the tips below. Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 00:20:17 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:20:17 -0700 Subject: How do I set meld as the default diff viewer for ubuntu updates? In-Reply-To: References: <1236367886.4332.13.camel@psedev1> Message-ID: On 03/08/2009 03:48 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: > So as I understand this (and please correct me if I'm wrong) what I'm > asking for is still not possible/implemented??! Pretty much the case... You can register (uppper right hand corner) and add your comments to the bug report. >> First one is what you are looking for: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/15029 >> [Diff files in a more friendly format] Please bottom post when using this list: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette thanks. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 00:36:21 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:36:21 -0700 Subject: question about remote desktop on Ubuntu/ In-Reply-To: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> References: <9DBE53038877EB499F70313C8290BDCC3B2CA7@ITCGCL03BE.fsoft.fpt.vn> Message-ID: On 03/06/2009 10:41 PM, Nguyen Tuan Anh (TRONLab-SRU) wrote: > Sorry for any inconvenience. > > I'm a new to Unix-Ubuntu.Now,I have to set a server computer using > Ubuntu.But,I don't know how to do.So,I have some questions for you about > this problem. > > 1. How to set remote utility in Ubuntu? > > 2. A server computer using Ubuntu need to have what things? > > 3. Software to download for this server computer? > > Start here: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport left hand side is Documentation which leads you to: https://help.ubuntu.com/ and here: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/index.html then Other Documentation Ubuntu Server Guide and there you will find: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html which should give you just about all of the information that you need. I point out the above so that you will become familiar with the help documents that are available via Ubuntu (there are many). If after reviewing that serverguide & you still have questions please do not hesitate to post back (just please trim your msg - see below) & welcome to Ubuntu :-) Note on the rest of your message: it's best to not send the following on this list as it only detracts from your question(s). 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Even connecting to each other is slow. > Is there some PAM setting or sshd_config that I need to enable/disable > to speed this up? They do go through a 1GB switch DLink router to each > other, but I don't see how that would be the issue. Might be a slow DNS resolver. sshd sets UseDNS to "yes" which requires the server to check that the client's host name really maps to the client's IP address. This requires reverse DNS to be working properly. Many home networks do not set up reverse resolution properly. I believe the code tries a reverse lookup and if no response is received lets the connection proceed. It could be some other issues, but try setting this flag to "no" and see if it resolves the delay issue. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 01:08:18 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:08:18 +0700 Subject: DVD playback on AMD 64 bit system Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903081808h2e3a6590s5e3a8958d938c900@mail.gmail.com> I built a 64 bit AMD system for a friend about 18 months ago. Ended up installing the then current Kubuntu after the same edition of Ubuntu gave me too much grief getting his Brother printer going. But he has never been able to play DVDs using Amarok on the system. To get to the point, he has decided to upgrade by installing the latest *buntu. The ability to watch DVDs and play music is a must have for him. So my question is, should he install a 64 bit version or simply drop back to using a 32 bit system. He has 1 gig memory and will never need to address more than that. Sorry if i am a little vague on the details, the system is 12 hours or so flying time away from where I am now. Thanks, Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From dbsechin at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 01:23:51 2009 From: dbsechin at gmail.com (Diego B.) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:23:51 -0300 Subject: Doubt Ldap 2.4 - DIGEST=MD5 Message-ID: <49B46FA7.3060008@ibest.com.br> HI, i Update my ubuntu, and reinstalled the Ldap. But now, I Have a problem with: Mar 8 21:44:19 sfx001 slapd[22386]: SASL [conn=1] Failure: no secret in database Now, It always ask a password from my ldappasswd. I am lost, Someone can Help ME? Att Diego B. From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 01:39:14 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:39:14 -0200 Subject: Doubt Ldap 2.4 - DIGEST=MD5 In-Reply-To: <49B46FA7.3060008@ibest.com.br> References: <49B46FA7.3060008@ibest.com.br> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903081839mafac962l61a8b08eaf4e86f8@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Diego B. wrote: > Mar 8 21:44:19 sfx001 slapd[22386]: SASL [conn=1] Failure: no secret in > database > > > Now, It always ask a password from my ldappasswd. > > I am lost, Someone can Help ME? > Without more details, it's almost impossible to know what's wrong. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfox94085 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 01:58:32 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:58:32 -0700 Subject: DVD playback on AMD 64 bit system In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903081808h2e3a6590s5e3a8958d938c900@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903081808h2e3a6590s5e3a8958d938c900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903081858x686134a2td5714a0d6e86e1de@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Robert Parker wrote: > I built a 64 bit AMD system for a friend about 18 months ago. Ended up > installing the then current Kubuntu after the same edition of Ubuntu > gave me too much grief getting his Brother printer going. But he has Why is Amarok a necessity for playing DVDs? I use Amarok as mostly default (actually Neon version) for playing audio files, but I've never used it to play videos. \ I normally use VLC, or mplayer, for playing DVDs or other video content, and I run a 64-bit system, and have done so for almost a year now. > using a 32 bit system. He has 1 gig memory and will never need to > address more than that. Sorry if i am a little vague on the details, > the system is 12 hours or so flying time away from where I am now. There's really no need to go 64 bit for a system that only can address 1 gig of RAM. There might be an additional performance gain though, but that depends on what he plans on doing with it. Personally, I prefer 64 bit installs over 32 bit ones, simply because the binaries *can* run faster, taking advantage of the greater processing power of the 64 vs. the 32-bit architecture, but that isn't a guarantee that any given process will benefit. The kernel probably will, and I know people who run 32 bit userland with a 64 bit kernel. > > Thanks, > Bob Parker -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 02:18:56 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:18:56 +0700 Subject: DVD playback on AMD 64 bit system In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903081858x686134a2td5714a0d6e86e1de@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903081808h2e3a6590s5e3a8958d938c900@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903081858x686134a2td5714a0d6e86e1de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903081918m24652c4fldf8ba80a89137a67@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:58 AM, David Fox wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Robert Parker wrote: >> I built a 64 bit AMD system for a friend about 18 months ago. Ended up >> installing the then current Kubuntu after the same edition of Ubuntu >> gave me too much grief getting his Brother printer going. But he has > > Why is Amarok a necessity for playing DVDs? That is what he has been using. It's always been a pos on any system I've tried it on. > > I use Amarok as mostly default (actually Neon version) for playing > audio files, but I've never used it to play videos. \ > > I normally use VLC, or mplayer, for playing DVDs or other video > content, and I run a 64-bit system, and have done so for almost a year > now. VLC is what I use for video and audio but I live in the 32 bit world so my experience is not relevant here, but yours is relevant so I will advise the guy to go for the 64 bit version of 8.10. Thanks for the information. Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From ziffer at yahoo.cn Mon Mar 9 02:28:21 2009 From: ziffer at yahoo.cn (Ziffer) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:28:21 +0800 (CST) Subject: Installing Emacs gets error! References: Message-ID: <962470.90503.qm@web92411.mail.cnh.yahoo.com> I have solved the problem. I got this problem because I remove emacs and emasc22 folds under /etc. After removing and installing with "aptitude" it works. Thanks for Florian Diesch, Jorge Santos and the other guys, thanks very much! ___________________________________________________________ 好玩贺卡等你发，邮箱贺卡全新上线！ http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fajarpri at arinet.org Mon Mar 9 03:03:01 2009 From: fajarpri at arinet.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:03:01 +0800 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> I have similar experience. Well, the screensaver doesn't immediately crash my 8.10, but after running overnight ( I fell asleep ), in the morning when I try to use my desktop again, it prompts for passoword, entered, then nothing happens. The mouse still runs, but no menu. Only wallpaper. And the keyboard gets locked, no ALT+F1 access, etc. I have to poweroff. Anyone as similar error? Got a workaround? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jeffreytooker at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 9 03:51:22 2009 From: Jeffreytooker at frontiernet.net (Jeffrey Tooker) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:51:22 -0700 Subject: Minimizing Programs Message-ID: <49B4923A.9030400@frontiernet.net> I am running 8.04 updated. I have run into a small problem. When I go to minimize any open program it closes and has to be reopened to use it. When two programs are open no open program tabs show up in the menu bar at the bottom of the screen. Thank you. Jeffrey Tooker From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 04:06:14 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:06:14 -0300 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > I have similar experience. > Well, the screensaver doesn't immediately crash my 8.10, but after running > overnight ( I fell asleep ), in the morning when I try to use my desktop > again, it prompts for passoword, entered, then nothing happens. The mouse > still runs, but no menu. Only wallpaper. And the keyboard gets locked, no > ALT+F1 access, etc. I have to poweroff. > > Anyone as similar error? Got a workaround? > Thank you. A search for screensaver+crash at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ returned 57 hits (open bugs), four of them tagged as "high importance". Since Feisty, most of the time, my screensaver of choice is a blank screen. L. From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 04:11:33 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:11:33 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Parker wrote: > Actually the book "Programming - Principles and Practice Using C++" by > Stroustrup is not a reference at all, it is an introductory course in > programming using C++. > The reference book you may have been thinking about is "The C++ > Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup". I did have a copy of that Ah, yes. Thanks for the correction. > many years ago, long before the STL was at all usable or maybe even in > existence. All that book did at the time was persuade me to stick to > C. But things have moved on since then. > > What I am looking for is some online group where I can kick ideas > around and exchange with others. My situation is that as a retiree in > Chiang Mai Thailand I have no one around to interact with on > programming topics so I am looking to do that online. With an emphasis > on C++ and the use of libraries such as STL and others which might be > useful. What you could do is just go ahead and post in comp.lang.c++ (I wonder if they discuss only the standard, then what is comp.std.c++ for?). Just show some tough skin if you get flamed from some topic nazis there. In my experience, if you do not discuss compilation issues and non-standard C++ implementation issues, you should be able to get some nice feedback regarding C++ programming that is C++ standard complaint. If things get ugly, just ignore the screaming, mention an apology and just go on to your next post. In short, ask away while being aware of what to expect ... and show some thick skin :) Discussing STL, by definition, should be on topic on that group. Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or in a Linux general newsgroup. This above strategy is the best one I have come up with in the last some years. I will be glad if this helps you. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 04:25:22 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:25:22 -0600 Subject: Sharing an internet connection virtually (VMWARE) Message-ID: I have no internet in Linux due to my only way to get internet is through my blackberry curve phone sharing ( I think some call this tethering) internet to the pc. It works fine in winblows of course with the provided winblows software, so I booted over to Linux, fired up VMware workstation 6.5, set up the internet in it, and I have internet in my guest os in vmware which is 32 bit xp media center. I right clicked the connection from "network connections" and went to share this connection. Now I'd like to share it to my host os, 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10 in Raid 0. Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up internet sharing before but not virtually. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From ktectropy at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 05:36:54 2009 From: ktectropy at gmail.com (Ken T.) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PDFs save to file? References: <49B1E61C.90006@gatech.edu> <49B43353.9030601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:06:27 -0400, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Ken T. wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:12:28 -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> >>> Ken T. wrote: >>>> I'm running Swiftweasel for a browser (a firefox derivative) and >>>> sometime a while back it stopped opening PDF files when I click on >>>> the links and instead saves them to my desktop. >>> Delete (or backup) mozpluggerrc if it's on your home directory (see >>> man mozplugger for possible places), then: >>> >>> sudo apt-get remove --purge mozplugger sudo apt-get install kpdf sudo >>> apt-get install --reinstall mozplugger >>> >>> Matt Flaschen >> >> Apparently mozplugger was not installed. I tried installing it, but >> that didn't change anything. BTW, I'm running Hardy. > > I'm running hardy too. Did you run exactly the commands I gave (somehow > it looks like the first two got made into one line)? Also, did you make > sure you deleted all copies of mozpluggerrc on your computer? > > Matt Flaschen I admit I was creative. I didn't want to install kpdf since I don't use KDE stuff on this laptop. Since mozplugger wasn't installed I installed it without purging it. I can give it a shot with exactly your command lines, but is there an alternative to using kpdf? I think evince is what I normally use. -- Ken T. From rim.riaz at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 05:39:53 2009 From: rim.riaz at gmail.com (Nay Myo Win) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:53 +0630 Subject: error joining domain Message-ID: I m doing like it said on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSambaPDC. but not ok to join domain from windows client. on xp, whenever i joined, i got user name and pwd as usual in joining windows PDC, but when i typed in username and pwd. I got " error attempting to join domain. access denied" what do i do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <49B1E61C.90006@gatech.edu> <49B43353.9030601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49B4ADF1.8020505@gatech.edu> Ken T. wrote: > I admit I was creative. I didn't want to install kpdf since I don't use > KDE stuff on this laptop. Since mozplugger wasn't installed I installed > it without purging it. :) It may have been installed in the past, in which case there would still be (potentially bad) configs. > I can give it a shot with exactly your command lines, but is there an > alternative to using kpdf? I don't know. I don't use evince... I would try it my way, and you can always remove kpdf (and dependencies) later either way. Matt Flaschen From kawazu at zimmer428.net Mon Mar 9 07:47:27 2009 From: kawazu at zimmer428.net (Kristian Rink) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:47:27 +0100 Subject: jaunty, openoffice: disk full? Message-ID: Folks; running up-to-date jaunty, I just tried to do an everyday update, resulting in openoffice.org-common not installing, failing with an error like this: [...] Kann »./usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/ooo-draw.png« nicht erzeugen: No space left on device No apport report written because the error message indicates a disk full error [...] Disk full? Well, hardly, according to "df": /dev/sda6 101G 46G 51G 48% / tmpfs 1,1G 0 1,1G 0% /lib/init/rw varrun 1,1G 213k 1,1G 1% /var/run varlock 1,1G 0 1,1G 0% /var/lock udev 1,1G 144k 1,1G 1% /dev tmpfs 1,1G 0 1,1G 0% /dev/shm lrm 1,1G 2,1M 1,1G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-8-generic/volatile /dev/sda1 494M 38M 431M 9% /boot Hmmm... what could be flaky here? I can work as usual with my system, including creating new files and all, except for updating this very package which reproducibly fails at one of the .png files with the same message? Ideas, anyone? TIA and all the best, Kristian From dfox94085 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 08:10:30 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:10:30 -0700 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903090110p6e8c2628v6597cc2bd316bb39@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > I have similar experience. > Well, the screensaver doesn't immediately crash my 8.10, but after running > overnight ( I fell asleep ), in the morning when I try to use my desktop I can't nail this down to a screensaver, but it might be an opengl+video driver issue. I have had frequent freezes just like you describe (no keyboard, can't do anything, mouse seems to work, in some instances can move around the screen with the mouse, but can't do anything). In most/all cases it happened when asking the video driver to do too much - i.e., running googleearth, which is a bit flaky on this video hardware -- but it also happened on my laptop, which runs prerelease Jaunty. For a while, I couldn't log into KDE with compiz activated on the laptop, because it triggers some activity that leaves the desktop in a state where all I can do is use the mouse to run around on the screen, and I have to Big Red Switch (tm) the thing. Both systems use Intel video, Q33 chipset on the desktop, running Ubuntu 8.10; the laptop is running "Graphics Mobile Accelerator" intel hardware, prerelease Jaunty. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From fajarpri at arinet.org Mon Mar 9 08:19:01 2009 From: fajarpri at arinet.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:19:01 +0800 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903090110p6e8c2628v6597cc2bd316bb39@mail.gmail.com> References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903090110p6e8c2628v6597cc2bd316bb39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <574d6c740903090119w31c2fd9enf999a819d5c89ed1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:10 PM, David Fox wrote: > > Both systems use Intel video, Q33 chipset on the desktop, running > Ubuntu 8.10; the laptop is running "Graphics Mobile Accelerator" intel > hardware, prerelease Jaunty. Mine is also Intel based. I can't recall the exact type, like GM... something. I notice though, it crashes more often if I move the mouse to de-activate the screensaver than when I use keyboard. It's running compiz. From diesch at spamfence.net Mon Mar 9 09:12:19 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:12:19 +0100 Subject: Yum's groupremove? In-Reply-To: <2baac6140903081743r56010a3cya931c33e15a2ef7f@mail.gmail.com> (Devon Harding's message of "Sun\, 8 Mar 2009 20\:43\:45 -0400") References: <2baac6140903081743r56010a3cya931c33e15a2ef7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zlfv83gs.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Devon Harding wrote: > Is there a function in Ubuntu similar to yum's groupremove? I'm trying to > build a server for VMWare server with the bare minimums. What does yum's groupremove do? Florian -- From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:51:45 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:51:45 -0200 Subject: error joining domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903090251r18e994qae92c26e774a9713@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Nay Myo Win wrote: > > I got " error attempting to join domain. access denied" > > Maybe the username you typed doesn't have privileges to add machines. Is it a user named in "admin users" in smb.conf? Does it have privileges with "net rpc rights grant 'username' SeMachineAccountPrivilege" ? Have you added the user to samba (smbpasswd -a username)? If everything seems to be OK, set "log level = 3" in smb.conf, repeat, and check your logs. Regards, Norberto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With an emphasis >> on C++ and the use of libraries such as STL and others which might be >> useful. > > What you could do is just go ahead and post in comp.lang.c++ (I wonder > if they discuss only the standard, then what is comp.std.c++ for?). Just > show some tough skin if you get flamed from some topic nazis there. In > my experience, if you do not discuss compilation issues and non-standard > C++ implementation issues, you should be able to get some nice feedback > regarding C++ programming that is C++ standard complaint. If things get > ugly, just ignore the screaming, mention an apology and just go on to > your next post. In short, ask away while being aware of what to expect > ... and show some thick skin :) Following your suggestions earlier I expanded my Googling and found: http://bytes.com/forum and joined up with that. I notice that Pete Becker is one of the contributors, iiirc he used to (maybe still) write for C/C++ Journal. So that gives me confidence. They have forums for all kinds of stuff, PHP, Python etc but i will stick with the C/C++. > > Discussing STL, by definition, should be on topic on that group. > > Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ > compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or > in a Linux general newsgroup. I tend not to have to much trouble with that because whilst I am no C guru I am a bit beyond the noob stage with that language. Up to Ch 6 of the new book and so far going ok. My questions will be along the lines of trying to find out what leaks memory etc. Thanks for your responses. Bob -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:28:11 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:28:11 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903090328ldc42da9scb55322307693189@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ >> compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or >> in a Linux general newsgroup. > > Or perhaps gnu.g++.help Book marked that thanks, Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:56:38 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:56:38 -0700 Subject: Firewall question References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:56:49 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:25:42 -0700 > Thorny wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000, R Kimber wrote: >> >> > My firewall is blocking a particular website (www.pollingreport.com) >> > despite the fact that I have set up no rules for it to do so. >> > >> > I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under Events >> > -> Blocked connections >> > >> > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? >> > >> > >> Perhaps it is not a problem at all, perhaps it is a feature. If your >> system didn't request a connection to that server, and the server was >> trying to connect to a port on your machine, then drop the packet would >> be a reasonable response for a firewall. > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Obviously I'm trying to see > the website. Why would the browser not request a connection, and only not > request it on that particular website? > >From your question it was not at all obvious what you were trying or not trying. Actually it's still not exactly clear. It's always a good idea to remember that people on the list are not looking over your shoulder at your screen and thus you need to present a good idea of the actual situation. From the context of your post I assume that you have tried to browse to that site, but you haven't mentioned what happens or any error report you've seen. Yes, your browser would initiate a http request to port 80 on the remote machine and it would answer back to port 80 on your machine. There shouldn't be any problem with that. Show us the line from the firestarter event logs that indicates the blocked connection you are asking about. In addition, it would probably be a good idea to mention what happens with the browser when you try to access the site, nothing; 404; something else? From dhamaris at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:02:21 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:02:21 +0100 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! Message-ID: Hi, I'm a newbie on this, i was trying to build the system (after configure, and make dependencies without error) openLDAP, and get this error message: I have installed Cyrus SASL, OpenSSL, POSIX REGEX, and even gnuPG, i don't think the problem is in the prerrequisite software. (ITS#5666) getpeereid.c:65: error: storage size of peercred isnt known So I looked for the cause, and find out that it was something related to an incompatibility with glibc, on this page: http://www.globalsight.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=40&func=view&id=100&catid=26 Where it says: *The workaround is to compile with CPPFLAGS=-D_GNU_SOURCE So: sudo env CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.5/include -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.5/lib" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openldap --enable-ldbm* I tried first, to configure like this: *>env CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/include -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.7/lib" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openldap --enable-ldbm* It made appear new errors, so i tried to go back typing this: //only setting what i thougth it was the problem, *>./configure >env CPPFLAGS=-D_GNU_SOURCE* It seems that i have gone backwards, because now when trying to configure openLDAP it doesn't recognize BerkeleyDB: *checking db.h usability... no checking db.h presence... no checking for db.h... no configure: error: BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB not available and the configure stops. * I installed last version of Berkeley, but i still have olders versions that i cannot delete because the system advices me that it will affect a lot of programs. That would be horrible! Some suggestions? How can i delete older versions of berkeleyDB (4.2 and 4.6) without affecting the entire system? What is the problem with glibc? Is that i have to change something or define some parameter? Another doubt..is a problem to extract the files of all these programs that i am trying to install, in a folder like /home/files ?? Am i obliged to use another like /tmp or /usr/lib??? I'm quite lost. Thank you for any help. Dámaris. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:53:49 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:49 -0200 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > > Hi, I'm a newbie on this, i was trying to build the system (after > configure, and make dependencies without error) openLDAP, and get this > error message: > I have installed Cyrus SASL, OpenSSL, POSIX REGEX, and even gnuPG, i don't > think the problem is in the prerrequisite software. > Are you compiling openldap from source? Why? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devonharding at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:58:12 2009 From: devonharding at gmail.com (Devon Harding) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:58:12 -0400 Subject: Yum's groupremove? In-Reply-To: <87zlfv83gs.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <2baac6140903081743r56010a3cya931c33e15a2ef7f@mail.gmail.com> <87zlfv83gs.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <2baac6140903090458m18d93c59ha2ba8e5b8dc7eb31@mail.gmail.com> > > > > What does yum's groupremove do? > > > It allows you to remove all packages associated with a particular software group, say 'X Windows System' -Devon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhamaris at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 12:14:04 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:14:04 +0100 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, i was compiling the source because i didn't know it would be so complicated, but it was :S What then should i do? I didn't found OpenLDAP in the repository. The point is that i am not sure if OpenLDAP is the set of libraries that i already have installed, or i have to look for it.... What do i do to make it easier? Thank u for your help :) Dámaris. 2009/3/9 Norberto Bensa > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales < > dhamaris at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi, I'm a newbie on this, i was trying to build the system (after >> configure, and make dependencies without error) openLDAP, and get this >> error message: >> I have installed Cyrus SASL, OpenSSL, POSIX REGEX, and even gnuPG, i don't >> think the problem is in the prerrequisite software. >> > > Are you compiling openldap from source? Why? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Mon Mar 9 12:19:50 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:19:50 +0300 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B50966.6000601@lab.vectoris.fr> Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > Oh, i was compiling the source because i didn't know it would be so > complicated, but it was :S > > What then should i do? I didn't found OpenLDAP in the repository. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=slapd And from the commande line: $ apt-cache search openldap python-ldap - An LDAP interface module for Python ldapscripts - Add and remove user and groups (stored in a LDAP directory) libdbd-ldap-perl - Perl extension for LDAP access via an SQL/Perl DBI interface libldap-ruby1.8 - OpenLDAP library binding for Ruby 1.8 libsasl2-modules-ldap - Cyrus SASL - pluggable authentication modules (LDAP) smbldap-tools - Scripts to manage Unix and Samba accounts stored on LDAP ldap-utils - OpenLDAP utilities libldap-2.4-2 - OpenLDAP libraries libldap-2.4-2-dbg - Debugging information for OpenLDAP libraries libldap2-dev - OpenLDAP development libraries slapd - OpenLDAP server (slapd) slapd-dbg - Debugging information for the OpenLDAP server (slapd) -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 12:21:34 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:21:34 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu preconfig /preseed Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903090521t562e8b8dw94771d181a92895f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am looking for information about the preconfiguration files for Ubuntu 8.10 I've got a working version, but I have som stuff I would like to implement. However, I do not know if my wishes can be fulfilled. Anyway, here goes: - is it possible to use include files (like with RedHat kickstart) - Is it possible to use pre and post scripts ? I read somewhere on an Ubuntu wiki about the preseed/late_command, but cannot find decent documentation about it ? - Is it possible to suppress or automate the questions about keyboard/locale, which the Ubuntu installer asks in the beginning ? - Is it possible to suppres/automate the question about encrypted homedirs ? Also, is there a maillinglist for the Ubuntu preseed/kickseed stuff ? Hope I can get some of my questions answered ! TIA ! Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rk at vzsze.de Mon Mar 9 12:27:09 2009 From: rk at vzsze.de (Rolf Kutz) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:27:09 +0100 Subject: Trying to use uppercase names in Postfix. In-Reply-To: <6BCAB574-9DF6-426E-B8DC-580FD5F52278@jump-ing.de> References: <6BCAB574-9DF6-426E-B8DC-580FD5F52278@jump-ing.de> Message-ID: <20090309122709.GE18179@vzsze.de> On 29/12/08 18:54 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > >Am 29.12.2008 um 18:24 schrieb Xn Nooby: > >> I am using Postfix to replace an existing email system, and I am >> inheriting usernames that are in uppercase. Apparently Postfix >> converts all email addresses to lowercase, so I cannot receive mail to >> the accounts that are in uppercase. This surprised me, because the >> linux user accounts are in uppercase. > >While Email adresses are case insensitive (jim123 at gmail.com ist the >same as jim123 at Gmail.COM), Unix/Linux user accounts are case >sensitive. JIM123 ist allowed as well as Jim123 or jim123, but those >three are three different user names. Email is handled case sensitive most of the time, but local parts can be case sensitive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address#RFC_specification regards, Rolf -- ... Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' ... From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 12:29:59 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:29:59 -0200 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903090529w3da838d1t5c0820da7e83d4f5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > > What do i do to make it easier? > sudo aptitude install slapd sudo dpkg-reconfigure slapd :-) and maybe you'll want these too: sudo aptitude install ldap-utils phpldapadmin ldap-utils has ldapsearch, and phpldapadmin will pull apache, php, etc for a nice "gui" tool for openldap :-) Regards, Norberto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhamaris at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:00:25 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:00:25 +0100 Subject: problems with OpenLDAP installation!!! please, help! In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903090529w3da838d1t5c0820da7e83d4f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903090529w3da838d1t5c0820da7e83d4f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, i have put these commands, all correct so far :) I hope to have no more problems with this issue, at least for not being tedious. :P Have a nice day, :) Dámaris. 2009/3/9 Norberto Bensa > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales < > dhamaris at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> What do i do to make it easier? >> > > sudo aptitude install slapd > sudo dpkg-reconfigure slapd > > :-) > > and maybe you'll want these too: > > sudo aptitude install ldap-utils phpldapadmin > > ldap-utils has ldapsearch, and phpldapadmin will pull apache, php, etc for > a nice "gui" tool for openldap :-) > > Regards, > Norberto > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:00:06 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:00:06 -0600 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49B512D6.2030605@gmail.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: > >> Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ >> compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or >> in a Linux general newsgroup. >> > > Or perhaps gnu.g++.help > > Matt Flaschen > > There is nothing wrong with g++ in Hardy. I have used it a lot and it is the usual ANSI Standard C++ of years ago. It has all the libs you can want but true to C++ you must call the lib, it will not be automatic like they tried to do with C. The C experience proved you want to just call the lib you want. Also it's basic but try to scim-read the man page at "man g++" and refer to the libs listed when you need something. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From n0jnqrp at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 21:00:53 2009 From: n0jnqrp at gmail.com (HermanAA) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:00:53 +0800 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: References: <1236219633.7703.33.camel@bsw> Message-ID: <1236459653.6152.21.camel@bsw> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, HermanAA wrote: > > Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit, default set-up. > > Evolution POP3 is password-protected using 'keyring'. > > > > I am the only user of Evolution. > > Others in the house have their own Ubuntu-account (no access to my > > Evolution). > > > > I do not need keyring/password protection for the POP3 download in > > Evolution. > > > > How can I remove this extra step? > > I'm reading between the lines here, but I gather the problem is you > have to unlock the keyring every time you want to check your mail. > The easy solution is change the default login keyring to use the same > password as you log in with. Then it will unlock that keyring when > you log in, and not bother you. Use System -> Prefernces -> > Encryption and Keyrings > > HTH > Brian Under Preferences I found 'Encryption and Keyring' but there was no option to change the password. (neither would I expect it there ... I would expect it under system, requiring admin pw) I am logged-in automatically. > From: Steve Grace > On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: > I've had this issue on Hardy if set to automatically log in. If I > disable Enable Automatic Login and there's no issue with Evolution > (although I have to enter my username and password to log in, of > course). Indeed, I am logged-in automatically. The password for Keyring is different from my log-in pw. The Keyring (requiring me to type the Keyring PW) pops up after Ubuntu-login on first-use of Evolution. Only ONCE per Ubuntu session. I can close and restart Evolution. I am NOT asked again for the Keyring PW. ...... no solution for the problem yet ..... Herman in PHL. From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Sun Mar 8 21:08:02 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:08:02 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! Message-ID: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> Dear esteemed I am not a techie, so please bear with me. I have a spare PC on our LAN that we use to centrally store files. I have upgraded it to AMD 64 Dual Core, 4 x 1Gig RAM, and stuff. Been using Vista 64b Home Premium. I have decided to build a IPT (PBX) for the home and my office use, using the PC as a Server. The system I want to try out is Unison's. This requires ubuntu as the Server OS. I have downloaded the 64b version on to another PC, burnt it to CD using InfraRecorder (the recommended). I have taken out the Hard Drive with the MS Vista OS and installed another which I have half formatted to create 1 partition and have only this HD and the CDRO drive installed on my machine. Upon booting up it requests a boot from CD, which I do. Asks for language, then presents a menu. I have tried clicking F3 for change of keyboard (UK English) and also not doing so and just pressing the Install Ubuntu SW.... It starts alright and then says: I need to ENABLE IOMMU in BIOS settings. I do not know what this is, but I have been in BIOS 3 times now looking for it and not found it. I have enabled virtually everything, but bar pulling out more hair has had no effect.... I am currently running a memory test (nothing better to do). Anyone help me. I need to get this up and running tonight or my wife will make my life not worth living tomorrow! PS: The data and backups are safe as they are on two other drives I have removed. 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Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up internet sharing before but not virtually. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:08:53 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:08:53 -0200 Subject: Sharing an internet connection virtually (VMWARE) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903090608t233d81capc6af1dc69a61cb0f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Christopher Lemire < christopher.lemire at gmail.com> wrote: > I have no internet in Linux due to my only way to get internet is > through my blackberry curve phone sharing ( I think some call this > tethering) internet to the pc. It works fine in winblows of course > with the provided winblows software, so I booted over to Linux, fired > up VMware workstation 6.5, set up the internet in it, and I have > internet in my guest os in vmware which is 32 bit xp media center. I > right clicked the connection from "network connections" and went to > share this connection. Now I'd like to share it to my host os, 64-bit > Ubuntu 8.10 in Raid 0. Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be > specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up > internet sharing before but not virtually. > > Wow. I have never tried that but you could configure vmware to use bridge. then use the windows ip as the gateway: sudo route add default gw {windows-ip} You'll need to configure the dns server (your windows xp AFAIK) HTH, Norberto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Mar 9 13:12:34 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:12:34 -0600 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: References: <27869.55918.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B43D1A.8080900@hbsys.plus.com> <574d6c740903082003v22c8502fi77967e43a1c990ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090309071234.058cebd7@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:06:14 -0300 Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Fajar Priyanto > wrote: > > I have similar experience. > > Well, the screensaver doesn't immediately crash my 8.10, but after > > running overnight ( I fell asleep ), in the morning when I try to > > use my desktop again, it prompts for passoword, entered, then > > nothing happens. The mouse still runs, but no menu. Only wallpaper. > > And the keyboard gets locked, no ALT+F1 access, etc. I have to > > poweroff. > > > > Anyone as similar error? Got a workaround? > > Thank you. > > > > A search for screensaver+crash at: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ > > returned 57 hits (open bugs), four of them tagged as "high > importance". > > Since Feisty, most of the time, my screensaver of choice is a blank > screen. > > L. > 57 hits is the reason bug triages try so hard to get more information about bugs. Without enough information, it is impossible to even determine if the two people have the same bug. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From kim.brandt at vimmerbytidning.se Mon Mar 9 13:15:55 2009 From: kim.brandt at vimmerbytidning.se (Kim Brandt) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:15:55 +0100 Subject: Apache2 reinstall In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903090529w3da838d1t5c0820da7e83d4f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B5168B.4090002@vimmerbytidning.se> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello I have a problem regarding reinstalling apache2 in Ubuntu I made a stupid mistake, deleting all the files in /etc/apache2 with the intension of reinstall it afterwards After i´ve done everything you can from apt-get (remove, purge) i think, and then reinstalled it. But what i can see, the folders isn´t recreated when doing so. Now when i try to start apache2 kim at localdev-/home/kim> . /etc/init.d/apache2 start * Starting web server apache2 apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/actions.load: No such file or directory ...fail! Now, is there a way to completely remove apache2 from the system, and then make a clean install again? Regards Kim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJtRaLsxNlNzSiD54RArvxAJ4qac/iWyKayEejLjwj2aE0aIajwACdFOkU b2/B7fcS14MZcsoai/nydDE= =ukjY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oliver.marshall at g2support.com Mon Mar 9 13:23:25 2009 From: oliver.marshall at g2support.com (Oliver Marshall) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:23:25 +0000 Subject: Small Ubuntu server recommendation In-Reply-To: <49B5168B.4090002@vimmerbytidning.se> References: <84250c9c0903090453x7c627591p7b881bed6a9fb9b5@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903090529w3da838d1t5c0820da7e83d4f5@mail.gmail.com> <49B5168B.4090002@vimmerbytidning.se> Message-ID: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50CC79BD8F0@BLACK.g2support.local> Hi chaps, I'm after getting hold of a supply of small pc's that are capable of running Ubuntu Server LTS and also are capable of hosting two hard disks (sata). No internal CD is required. It just needs a VGA port, usb ports and a network port, and the ability to host two HDs. Size wise I'm after small, as small as possible. Ideally I want it to be on a par with a two disk NAS box, that kind of size. Anyone know of a supplier who might be able to help ? Olly -- G2 Support Network Support : Online Backups : Server Management www.g2support.com From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:32:28 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:32:28 +0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <49B512D6.2030605@gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> <49B512D6.2030605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903090632j35787899lbd8f370e72807a13@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> >    There is nothing wrong with g++ in Hardy. I have used it a lot and > it is the usual ANSI Standard C++ of years ago. It has all the libs you > can want but true to C++ you must call the lib, it will not be automatic > like they tried to do with C. The C experience proved you want to just > call the lib you want. > >    Also it's basic but try to scim-read the man page at "man g++" and > refer to the libs listed when you need something. > Good idea thanks. Bob Parker From amichai at iglu.org.il Mon Mar 9 14:17:22 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:17:22 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you all. I will rsync my files to an external drive, then delete all the partitions on the main original drive and re-partition. I still think a 20GB / (root) partition is reasonable. .:====================================================:. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .:====================================================:. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 22:18, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Amichai Rotman wrote: > > > > > > I'd like to re-partition the drive to make more room for my > > $HOME, so I > > > thought I'd give the root (/) about 20 GB and the rest for my > $HOME. > > > > Amichai, even 15 GB will more than enough. How did you get to 11 > GB?!? > > kdirstat will show you where your / space is wasted. I would use it, > since Dotan is correct, 20GB for / ssems indeed a bit oversized to me, > at least. Surely when you are operating servers that store data > somewhere beneath /, this is a different story. > > >I thought > > doing it > > > this way because I felt the Kubuntu ISO is not quite stable, out > > of the > > > box.... > > sorry for my wording, but this is simply nonsense. When you want to have > Kubuntu, Kubuntu is what will give you Kubuntu.;-) > > > > > > > > Also, I'd like to hear from any of you that may have tried to > > re-size a > > > partition on a live system... I wouldn't do it, but maybe someone > > tried it > > > as part of a test on a test machine. > > As Nils pointed out this is done troublefree with a Live-CD. Use gparted > and you can graphically change your disk sizes to what suits you best. > As always, when you are juggling with partitions, a good backup is > worthwhile. I never needed to use it, but its always good to have a > fallback option. > > I am using RIP Linux (recovery is possible) or the sysrescue CD, but > just about any Live CD will do. > > > regards > Eberhard > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kip at kdream.com Mon Mar 9 14:47:35 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:47:35 -0500 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. Message-ID: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu (or another version of Linux). What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the Internet through this gateway? For example, the primary path to the Internet is through eth0 the first Ethernet card in the computer. However if that gateway is down, then I want it to use a second path (or a third if #2 is down also). I can make it another card (eth1), or another IP address on the first card. Finally if all else fails, I would want it to dial up (or use a serial port) to establish a slow but functioning connection. When the first path is active again it goes back to the original configuration. I want this to happen at the gateway computer, so the users do not see anything, except for a reduction in performance if I go to a slower connection. What is this called, and what do I have to read up on? It is more than just IP Tables right? Kip -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Mon Mar 9 15:18:21 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:18:21 +0100 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> Message-ID: <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> Kipton Moravec wrote: > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu (or > another version of Linux). > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the > Internet through this gateway? > > For example, the primary path to the Internet is through eth0 the first > Ethernet card in the computer. However if that gateway is down, then I > want it to use a second path (or a third if #2 is down also). I can make > it another card (eth1), or another IP address on the first card. Finally > if all else fails, I would want it to dial up (or use a serial port) to > establish a slow but functioning connection. > > When the first path is active again it goes back to the original > configuration. > > I want this to happen at the gateway computer, so the users do not see > anything, except for a reduction in performance if I go to a slower > connection. > > What is this called, and what do I have to read up on? > It is more than just IP Tables right? > > Kip I would advise to use the LEAF firewall http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ This a standalone distribution and very small. It fits (if you want it lean) even on a floppy disk but there are distributions for using it from an CD, USB-stick, etc. The firewall software is shorewall and it is a real hardware firewall using 2 ethernet cards and not the pseudo-firewalls as offered for Windows. I use it for > 8 years and the only time I realise it's there when we have had a power outage. Success Joep From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 15:46:12 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:46:12 -0400 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: <49B3EFEA.4040102@hbsys.plus.com> References: <49B3EFEA.4040102@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Could someone point me to the configuration file that points to the > current screen saver, please? Assuming this is Gnome (not KDE or others) the setting is in the gconf registry. try gconftool-2 --type list --list-type string --set /apps/gnome-screensaver/themes [screensavers-gltext] That should set your screensaver to the gltext one. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 15:47:21 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:47:21 -0400 Subject: Crashable screen saver In-Reply-To: References: <49B3EFEA.4040102@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: >> Could someone point me to the configuration file that points to the >> current screen saver, please? > > Assuming this is Gnome (not KDE or others) the setting is in the gconf registry. > > try > > gconftool-2 --type list --list-type string --set > /apps/gnome-screensaver/themes [screensavers-gltext] > > That should set your screensaver to the gltext one. There's a gconf GUI tool too I should mention - but I don't have an Ubuntu box in front of me at the second. Brian From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 16:13:53 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:13:53 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ >> compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or >> in a Linux general newsgroup. > > Or perhaps gnu.g++.help > > Matt Flaschen > Last time I checked it was a horribly low traffic group. Perhaps it has changed now. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 16:30:56 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Amichai Rotman wrote: > From: Amichai Rotman > Subject: Re: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 9:17 AM > Thank you all. > > I will rsync my files to an external drive, then delete all > the partitions > on the main original drive and re-partition. I still think > a 20GB / (root) > partition is reasonable. > > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using a separate /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is only about 6 GB in size. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From richardkimber at btinternet.com Mon Mar 9 17:06:38 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:06:38 +0000 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:56:38 -0700 Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:56:49 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > > > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:25:42 -0700 > > Thorny wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > >> > >> > My firewall is blocking a particular website > >> > (www.pollingreport.com) despite the fact that I have set up no > >> > rules for it to do so. > >> > > >> > I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under > >> > Events -> Blocked connections > >> > > >> > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? > >> > > >> > > >> Perhaps it is not a problem at all, perhaps it is a feature. If > >> your system didn't request a connection to that server, and the > >> server was trying to connect to a port on your machine, then drop > >> the packet would be a reasonable response for a firewall. > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Obviously I'm trying > > to see the website. Why would the browser not request a > > connection, and only not request it on that particular website? > > > > From your question it was not at all obvious what you were trying or > not trying. Actually it's still not exactly clear. It's always a good > idea to remember that people on the list are not looking over your > shoulder at your screen and thus you need to present a good idea of > the actual situation. From the context of your post I assume that you > have tried to browse to that site, but you haven't mentioned what > happens or any error report you've seen. The firewall is blocking it. There's no error. If there was a 404, there surely wouldn't be any block. The message from Firestarter is Date port source protocol service Mar 9 16:45:49 52959 174.132.128.187 TCP unknown In the browser, nothing happens for a while and then it (or maybe one of the plugins) reports a network timeout. I can ping the server OK. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 17:24:45 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:24:45 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> References: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Dear esteemed > > I am not a techie, so please bear with me. > > I have a spare PC on our LAN that we use to centrally store files.  I have > upgraded it to AMD 64 Dual Core, 4 x 1Gig RAM, and stuff.  Been using Vista > 64b Home Premium. > > I have decided to build a IPT (PBX) for the home and my office use, using > the PC as a Server.  The system I want to try out is Unison’s.  This > requires ubuntu as the Server OS.  I have downloaded the 64b version on to > another PC, burnt it to CD using InfraRecorder (the recommended).  I have > taken out the Hard Drive with the MS Vista OS and installed another which I > have half formatted to create 1 partition and have only this HD and the CDRO > drive installed on my machine.  Upon booting up it requests a boot from CD, > which I do.  Asks for language, then presents a menu.  I have tried clicking > F3 for change of keyboard (UK English) and also not doing so and just > pressing the Install Ubuntu SW....  It starts alright and then says: I need > to ENABLE IOMMU in BIOS settings.  I do not know what this is, but I have > been in BIOS 3 times now looking for it and not found it.  I have enabled > virtually everything, but bar pulling out more hair has had no effect....  I > am currently running a memory test (nothing better to do). > You could try to add the following parameter in kernel boot parameters (boot screen): iommu=noaperture Please read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=911768 L. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 17:44:41 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:44:41 -0300 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM, R Kimber wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:56:38 -0700 > Thorny wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:56:49 +0000, R Kimber wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:25:42 -0700 >> > Thorny wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:46:04 +0000, R Kimber wrote: >> >> >> >> > My firewall is blocking a particular website >> >> > (www.pollingreport.com) despite the fact that I have set up no >> >> > rules for it to do so. >> >> > >> >> > I'm using Firestarter on 8.10 and I can see the IP listed under >> >> > Events -> Blocked connections >> >> > >> >> > Can anyone suggest what the problem is? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Perhaps it is not a problem at all, perhaps it is a feature. If >> >> your system didn't request a connection to that server, and the >> >> server was trying to connect to a port on your machine, then drop >> >> the packet would be a reasonable response for a firewall. >> > >> > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Obviously I'm trying >> > to see the website.  Why would the browser not request a >> > connection, and only not request it on that particular website? >> > >> >> From your question it was not at all obvious what you were trying or >> not trying. Actually it's still not exactly clear. It's always a good >> idea to remember that people on the list are not looking over your >> shoulder at your screen and thus you need to present a good idea of >> the actual situation. From the context of your post I assume that you >> have tried to browse to that site, but you haven't mentioned what >> happens or any error report you've seen. > > The firewall is blocking it.  There's no error. If there was a 404, > there surely wouldn't be any block. The message from Firestarter is > > Date port source protocol service > > Mar 9 16:45:49 52959 174.132.128.187 TCP unknown > > In the browser, nothing happens for a while and then it (or maybe one > of the plugins) reports a network timeout. I can ping the server OK. > > - Richard > -- > Richard Kimber > http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Am I missing something or 174.132.128.187 is not www.pollingreport.com ? I presume, of course, that you can access the site if Firestarter is disabled. L. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:21:35 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:21:35 -0300 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: > Am I missing something or 174.132.128.187 is not www.pollingreport.com ? > Sorry, my fault, please disregard. L. From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Mon Mar 9 18:24:02 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:24:02 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> Message-ID: <01aa01c9a0e4$3b148d00$b13da700$@it> Hi Lucio Thank you. I had another expert send me some stuff just before yours arrived. Very similar information. It sounds simple enough, yet as I mentioned I am NOT a techie. I think I know what a kernel is - lines of code (?). This is all very scary and new ground for me. Could I be a pain please and ask exactly what I need to do and how. Apologies. Regards Jonathan ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Lucio M Nicolosi Sent: 09 March 2009 17:25 To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Dear esteemed > > I am not a techie, so please bear with me. > > I have a spare PC on our LAN that we use to centrally store files.  I > have upgraded it to AMD 64 Dual Core, 4 x 1Gig RAM, and stuff.  Been > using Vista 64b Home Premium. > > I have decided to build a IPT (PBX) for the home and my office use, > using the PC as a Server.  The system I want to try out is Unison’s.  > This requires ubuntu as the Server OS.  I have downloaded the 64b > version on to another PC, burnt it to CD using InfraRecorder (the > recommended).  I have taken out the Hard Drive with the MS Vista OS > and installed another which I have half formatted to create 1 > partition and have only this HD and the CDRO drive installed on my > machine.  Upon booting up it requests a boot from CD, which I do.  > Asks for language, then presents a menu.  I have tried clicking > F3 for change of keyboard (UK English) and also not doing so and just > pressing the Install Ubuntu SW....  It starts alright and then says: I > need to ENABLE IOMMU in BIOS settings.  I do not know what this is, > but I have been in BIOS 3 times now looking for it and not found it.  > I have enabled virtually everything, but bar pulling out more hair has > had no effect....  I am currently running a memory test (nothing better to do). > You could try to add the following parameter in kernel boot parameters (boot screen): iommu=noaperture Please read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=911768 L. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 9 17:47:00 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:47:00 -0300 Subject: Trying to use uppercase names in Postfix. References: <6BCAB574-9DF6-426E-B8DC-580FD5F52278@jump-ing.de> <20090309122709.GE18179@vzsze.de> Message-ID: <12778518.bTuaHm43O2@cedar.serverforest.com> Rolf Kutz wrote: > On 29/12/08 18:54 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: >> >>Am 29.12.2008 um 18:24 schrieb Xn Nooby: >> >>> I am using Postfix to replace an existing email system, and I am >>> inheriting usernames that are in uppercase. Apparently Postfix >>> converts all email addresses to lowercase, so I cannot receive mail to >>> the accounts that are in uppercase. This surprised me, because the >>> linux user accounts are in uppercase. >> >>While Email adresses are case insensitive (jim123 at gmail.com ist the >>same as jim123 at Gmail.COM), Unix/Linux user accounts are case >>sensitive. JIM123 ist allowed as well as Jim123 or jim123, but those >>three are three different user names. > > Email is handled case sensitive most of the time, > but local parts can be case sensitive. One would think that one of those two cases should have been "case INsensitive" :-) More to the point, installing postfix _asks_ if you should use case-sensitive aliases, iirc. So try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix". -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 18:34:19 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:34:19 -0700 Subject: Keyring and Evolution-POP3 In-Reply-To: <1236459653.6152.21.camel@bsw> References: <1236219633.7703.33.camel@bsw> <1236459653.6152.21.camel@bsw> Message-ID: On 03/07/2009 01:00 PM, HermanAA wrote: ... > >> From: Steve Grace >> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 13:05 -0500, Brian McKee wrote: >> I've had this issue on Hardy if set to automatically log in. If I >> disable Enable Automatic Login and there's no issue with Evolution >> (although I have to enter my username and password to log in, of >> course). > > Indeed, I am logged-in automatically. > The password for Keyring is different from my log-in pw. > > The Keyring (requiring me to type the Keyring PW) pops up after > Ubuntu-login on first-use of Evolution. Only ONCE per Ubuntu session. > > I can close and restart Evolution. I am NOT asked again for the Keyring > PW. > > ...... no solution for the problem yet ..... I think you will find these of interest: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/236264 [Automatic login -- password is still asked to access Gnome keyring (Evolution, and others, affected)] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=814271 [Evolution requires keyring after latest update] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:36:16 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:36:16 -0400 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Kipton Moravec wrote: > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu (or > another version of Linux). > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the > Internet through this gateway? Assuming your ISP doesn't support you doing this directly (via BGP or similar) http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html From kip at kdream.com Mon Mar 9 18:42:55 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:42:55 -0500 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:18 +0100, Joep L. Blom wrote: > Kipton Moravec wrote: > > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu (or > > another version of Linux). > > > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the > > Internet through this gateway? > > > > For example, the primary path to the Internet is through eth0 the first > > Ethernet card in the computer. However if that gateway is down, then I > > want it to use a second path (or a third if #2 is down also). I can make > > it another card (eth1), or another IP address on the first card. Finally > > if all else fails, I would want it to dial up (or use a serial port) to > > establish a slow but functioning connection. > > > > When the first path is active again it goes back to the original > > configuration. > > > > I want this to happen at the gateway computer, so the users do not see > > anything, except for a reduction in performance if I go to a slower > > connection. > > > > What is this called, and what do I have to read up on? > > It is more than just IP Tables right? > > > > Kip > I would advise to use the LEAF firewall > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > This a standalone distribution and very small. It fits (if you want it > lean) even on a floppy disk but there are distributions for using it > from an CD, USB-stick, etc. > The firewall software is shorewall and it is a real hardware firewall > using 2 ethernet cards and not the pseudo-firewalls as offered for > Windows. I use it for > 8 years and the only time I realise it's there > when we have had a power outage. > Success > Joep > I just looked at the Documentation. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/binstall.html Last update 11 May 2003? Can't you recommend something more current? Kip -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From richardkimber at btinternet.com Mon Mar 9 18:45:01 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:45:01 +0000 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <20090309184501.7656b39f@infinity.localnet> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:44:41 -0300 Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > Am I missing something or 174.132.128.187 is not > www.pollingreport.com ? www.pollingreport.com. 14171 IN CNAME pollingreport.com. pollingreport.com. 14171 IN A 174.132.128.187 > > I presume, of course, that you can access the site if Firestarter is > disabled. Yes -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:45:33 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:45:33 +0100 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <01aa01c9a0e4$3b148d00$b13da700$@it> References: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> <01aa01c9a0e4$3b148d00$b13da700$@it> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903091145m1c23fc5ekb3393ab6b4805d30@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jonathan, When you boot from the cd, hit the esape key when you see the ubuntu logo. Then hit f6, and you will see a string of text in the bottom of your screen. There, at the end, you can add the parameter "iommu=noaperture" If, and when the system installs, you may add the parameter also to /grub/boot/menu.lst afterwards. Good luck ! Andy 2009/3/9 Jonathan Harrison > Hi Lucio > Thank you. I had another expert send me some stuff just before yours > arrived. Very similar information. > > It sounds simple enough, yet as I mentioned I am NOT a techie. I think I > know what a kernel is - lines of code (?). This is all very scary and new > ground for me. Could I be a pain please and ask exactly what I need to do > and how. > > Apologies. > > Regards > Jonathan > ********************************************************************** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Lucio M > Nicolosi > Sent: 09 March 2009 17:25 > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Harrison > wrote: > > Dear esteemed > > > > I am not a techie, so please bear with me. > > > > I have a spare PC on our LAN that we use to centrally store files. I > > have upgraded it to AMD 64 Dual Core, 4 x 1Gig RAM, and stuff. Been > > using Vista 64b Home Premium. > > > > I have decided to build a IPT (PBX) for the home and my office use, > > using the PC as a Server. The system I want to try out is Unison’s. > > This requires ubuntu as the Server OS. I have downloaded the 64b > > version on to another PC, burnt it to CD using InfraRecorder (the > > recommended). I have taken out the Hard Drive with the MS Vista OS > > and installed another which I have half formatted to create 1 > > partition and have only this HD and the CDRO drive installed on my > > machine. Upon booting up it requests a boot from CD, which I do. > > Asks for language, then presents a menu. I have tried clicking > > F3 for change of keyboard (UK English) and also not doing so and just > > pressing the Install Ubuntu SW.... It starts alright and then says: I > > need to ENABLE IOMMU in BIOS settings. I do not know what this is, > > but I have been in BIOS 3 times now looking for it and not found it. > > I have enabled virtually everything, but bar pulling out more hair has > > had no effect.... I am currently running a memory test (nothing better > to > do). > > > > > You could try to add the following parameter in kernel boot parameters > (boot > screen): > > iommu=noaperture > > Please read this: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=911768 > > L. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:55:10 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:55:10 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <01aa01c9a0e4$3b148d00$b13da700$@it> References: <001401c9a031$f7f96c50$e7ec44f0$@it> <01aa01c9a0e4$3b148d00$b13da700$@it> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Hi Lucio > Thank you.  I had another expert send me some stuff just before yours > arrived.  Very similar information. > > It sounds simple enough, yet as I mentioned I am NOT a techie.  I think I > know what a kernel is - lines of code (?).  This is all very scary and new > ground for me.  Could I be a pain please and ask exactly what I need to do > and how. Jonathan When you boot from the CD there is an initial screen that asks what do you want to do. There, you have an option to edit the command line, (I can't remember if it is the F6 option or what, unfortunately no Live CD nearby). I'm sure it is well explained, just take a moment to check the options. You may find something like: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-2-generic root=UUID=8116c71f-703c-45f2-b7cd-e4e395578ee8 ro quiet splash just remove "quiet" and "splash" and add: iommu=noaperture at the end of the line and see what happens. If you are not a techie (just like me) perhaps you should take a look at the Ubuntu Desktop instead of the Ubuntu Server (your intention, if I understood correctly), also, you don't need to remove any other disks from the PC if you intend to put them back later (?). And an Ubuntu install needs at least two partitions, root (/) and /swap, if your software do not require a lot of data in the /home partition, the place where you would keep your personal stuff, if it were not a server of some kind, but the install program will help you with partitioning. Regards, Lucio From vpadro at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:56:35 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:56:35 -0600 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Kipton Moravec wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:18 +0100, Joep L. Blom wrote: > > Kipton Moravec wrote: > > > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu > (or > > > another version of Linux). > > > > > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the > > > Internet through this gateway? > > > > > > For example, the primary path to the Internet is through eth0 the first > > > Ethernet card in the computer. However if that gateway is down, then I > > > want it to use a second path (or a third if #2 is down also). I can > make > > > it another card (eth1), or another IP address on the first card. > Finally > > > if all else fails, I would want it to dial up (or use a serial port) to > > > establish a slow but functioning connection. > > > > > > When the first path is active again it goes back to the original > > > configuration. > > > > > > I want this to happen at the gateway computer, so the users do not see > > > anything, except for a reduction in performance if I go to a slower > > > connection. > > > > > > What is this called, and what do I have to read up on? > > > It is more than just IP Tables right? > > > > > > Kip > > I would advise to use the LEAF firewall > > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > > This a standalone distribution and very small. It fits (if you want it > > lean) even on a floppy disk but there are distributions for using it > > from an CD, USB-stick, etc. > > The firewall software is shorewall and it is a real hardware firewall > > using 2 ethernet cards and not the pseudo-firewalls as offered for > > Windows. I use it for > 8 years and the only time I realise it's there > > when we have had a power outage. > > Success > > Joep > > > > I just looked at the Documentation. > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/binstall.html > > Last update 11 May 2003? > > Can't you recommend something more current? > > Kip > > > -- > > > Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... > ============================================== > Four Way Test > Is it the Truth? > Is it Fair to all concerned? > Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? > Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? > - Herbert J Taylor (1932) > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > I don't want to initiate any discussion, but the best firewall/router option you may have is Pfsense. http://www.pfsense.org It allows you to use Multi-WAN with inbound/outbound load balancing and failover. Cheers. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 19:11:22 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:11:22 +0100 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome Message-ID: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> Hello the list, As the title says, I have in issue with the brightness applet in gnome (the slider that lets you modify the screen brightness) on my 8.10 laptop. In KDE it works fine. In Gnome, when I move the slider, the desktop will hang for a few minutes (5 to 10 minutes) and (very slow) step by (very slow) step reach the brightness level I set. How can I fix or at least where should I look to debug that behavior? Thanks, Vincent From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 19:51:33 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:51:33 -0700 Subject: How to get or inspect source code associated with installed binary packages? Message-ID: <6824847a0903091251x39cc0b6by4208f2e25b453db@mail.gmail.com> How do I get or inspect the source code associated with installed binary packages, ideally with the ability to build it? For instance, I'd like to see the source for "libclamav5". I've seen some pieces of the puzzle for this, but not the steps to follow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 19:54:22 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:54:22 -0600 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Hello the list, > As the title says, I have in issue with the brightness applet in gnome > (the slider that lets you modify the screen brightness) on my 8.10 > laptop. In KDE it works fine. In Gnome, when I move the slider, the > desktop will hang for a few minutes (5 to 10 minutes) and (very slow) > step by (very slow) step reach the brightness level I set. How can I > fix or at least where should I look to debug that behavior? > > Thanks, > Vincent > > I have a much bigger problem on both Hardy and 8.11, I can't find a brightness applet anywhere :-) Please give me a hint where to go to find this control. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Mon Mar 9 20:00:41 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:00:41 +0100 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> Message-ID: <49B57569.4060705@neuroweave.nl> Kipton Moravec wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:18 +0100, Joep L. Blom wrote: >> Kipton Moravec wrote: >>> I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu (or >>> another version of Linux). >>> >>> What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to the >>> Internet through this gateway? >>> >>> For example, the primary path to the Internet is through eth0 the first >>> Ethernet card in the computer. However if that gateway is down, then I >>> want it to use a second path (or a third if #2 is down also). I can make >>> it another card (eth1), or another IP address on the first card. Finally >>> if all else fails, I would want it to dial up (or use a serial port) to >>> establish a slow but functioning connection. >>> >>> When the first path is active again it goes back to the original >>> configuration. >>> >>> I want this to happen at the gateway computer, so the users do not see >>> anything, except for a reduction in performance if I go to a slower >>> connection. >>> >>> What is this called, and what do I have to read up on? >>> It is more than just IP Tables right? >>> >>> Kip >> I would advise to use the LEAF firewall >> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ >> >> This a standalone distribution and very small. It fits (if you want it >> lean) even on a floppy disk but there are distributions for using it >> from an CD, USB-stick, etc. >> The firewall software is shorewall and it is a real hardware firewall >> using 2 ethernet cards and not the pseudo-firewalls as offered for >> Windows. I use it for > 8 years and the only time I realise it's there >> when we have had a power outage. >> Success >> Joep >> > > I just looked at the Documentation. > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/binstall.html > > Last update 11 May 2003? > > Can't you recommend something more current? > > Kip > > Sorry, a small misunderstanding. The Bering Leaf-version came to an end in 2003 due to the fact that a new library gave better -and faster results. The current versions are called Bering uclibc. Go to the home-page http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ and then to the tap Bering uClibc. The latest version is Bering-uClibc 3.1.1 (2009-02-14). The firewall is based on kernel versions 2.4.. A 3.6 branch is available but that is a resource hog so I advise to use the current version. The documentation is fine and why change the date when everything else remains the same? Joep From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:23:24 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:23:24 -0300 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: >    I have a much bigger problem on both Hardy and 8.11, I can't find a > brightness applet anywhere :-) > >    Please give me a hint where to go to find this control. > > Karl > In 8.10: Add to Panel -> Brightness Applet L. From jason at bluetree.ath.cx Mon Mar 9 20:38:14 2009 From: jason at bluetree.ath.cx (Jason Crain) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:38:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: How to get or inspect source code associated with installed binary packages? In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903091251x39cc0b6by4208f2e25b453db@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903091251x39cc0b6by4208f2e25b453db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, March 9, 2009 2:51 pm, David Karr wrote: > How do I get or inspect the source code associated with installed binary > packages, ideally with the ability to build it? For instance, I'd like to > see the source for "libclamav5". To download the source: apt-get source libclamav5 To download build-time dependencies required for compiling: apt-get build-dep libclamav5 From vadud3 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:39:42 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: Network questions Message-ID: # cat /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.242 netmask 255.255.255.252 network 192.168.0.240 broadcast 192.168.0.243 gateway 192.168.0.241 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed dns-nameservers 192.168.0.65 dns-search example.com aut0 eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.1.230 netmask 255.255.255.252 network 192.168.1.228 broadcast 192.168.1.231 gateway 192.168.1.229 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed dns-nameservers 192.168.1.65 dns-search example.com How do I modify the above setup so that I only have one default gw 192.168.0.241 and a second gw 192.168.1.229 only for the network 192.168.1.228 ? With the existing interfaces file, only one interface eth0 comes up. I need to run ifup eth1 manually as root for the eth1 to come up. However then the system has two default gw and hence do not respond to network anymore Also I have no access to the switches that these interfaces are connected to. So only way I can make the interfaces 100/full is by running the following command manually for each interface ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as well, short of writing a init script? Thanks -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Mon Mar 9 20:40:21 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: adding gpg signatures to evolution Message-ID: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> Hi, I recently installed ubuntu 8.10, and am wanting to setup evolution to include a gpg signature. I generated my gpg key using gpg --key-gen. When I do a gpg --list-keys, I see my key and can get the public id for the key. When I go into evolution and select edit -> prefferences -> mail accounts edit security tab, I put in my public key id and say I want to sign all outgoing messages. Now when I try to send a message, evolution says it cannot read the key. Any ideas why this would be, or how to get arround it? -- Oracle Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:49:57 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:49:57 -0600 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> I have a much bigger problem on both Hardy and 8.11, I can't find a >> brightness applet anywhere :-) >> >> Please give me a hint where to go to find this control. >> >> Karl >> >> > > > In 8.10: Add to Panel -> Brightness Applet > > L. > > I discover that the Brightness applet works perfect on my laptop with 8.11 Ubuntu and does not work at all on my Hardy system. I think perhaps it was not done well on Hardy. But on 8.11 it is perfect. Sorry it differs from your experience. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 21:00:17 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:00:17 -0300 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    I discover that the Brightness applet works perfect on my laptop > with 8.11 Ubuntu and does not work at all on my Hardy system. I think > perhaps it was not done well on Hardy. But on 8.11 it is perfect. > >    Sorry it differs from your experience. > > > Karl That's because 8.11 is a special edition. :-) -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 9 21:03:09 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:03:09 -0500 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090309160309.64281c1d@WizardsTower> "Karl F. Larsen" said: > I discover that the Brightness applet works perfect on my laptop > with 8.11 Ubuntu and does not work at all on my Hardy system. I think > perhaps it was not done well on Hardy. But on 8.11 it is perfect. > > Sorry it differs from your experience. > > > Karl Is your Hardy system a laptop? From: About >Power Manager Brightness Applet 2.22.1: Adjusts laptop panel brightness. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 21:11:30 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:11:30 -0700 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/09/2009 09:30 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Amichai Rotman wrote: >> I will rsync my files to an external drive, then delete all the >> partitions on the main original drive and re-partition. I still >> think a 20GB / (root) partition is reasonable. >> >> > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using a separate > /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is only about 6 GB in > size. My / is 32.5GB & subtracting the 20.4GB for /home means that my / is 12.1GB. Mind you that I tend to install just about everything under the sun on this system - my /usr directory is 7.1GB and my /opt directory is 2.8GB. From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 21:12:44 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:12:44 -0200 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> don't specify gw where it is not needed. The route is enough On 3/9/09, Asif Iqbal wrote: > # cat /etc/network/interfaces > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.0.242 > netmask 255.255.255.252 > network 192.168.0.240 > broadcast 192.168.0.243 > gateway 192.168.0.241 > # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if > installed > dns-nameservers 192.168.0.65 > dns-search example.com > aut0 eth1 > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.1.230 > netmask 255.255.255.252 > network 192.168.1.228 > broadcast 192.168.1.231 > gateway 192.168.1.229 > # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if > installed > dns-nameservers 192.168.1.65 > dns-search example.com > > > How do I modify the above setup so that I only have one default gw > 192.168.0.241 and a second gw 192.168.1.229 only for the network > 192.168.1.228 ? > > With the existing interfaces file, only one interface eth0 comes up. I > need to run ifup eth1 manually as root for the eth1 to come up. > However then the system has two default gw and hence do not respond to > network anymore > > Also I have no access to the switches that these interfaces are connected > to. So only way I can make the interfaces 100/full is by running the > following > command manually for each interface > > ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off > > Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as > well, > short of writing a init script? > > Thanks > > -- > Asif Iqbal > PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Sent from my mobile device From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 21:20:09 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:20:09 -0600 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <20090309160309.64281c1d@WizardsTower> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> <20090309160309.64281c1d@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49B58809.1060609@gmail.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > "Karl F. Larsen" said: > >> I discover that the Brightness applet works perfect on my laptop >> with 8.11 Ubuntu and does not work at all on my Hardy system. I think >> perhaps it was not done well on Hardy. But on 8.11 it is perfect. >> >> Sorry it differs from your experience. >> >> >> Karl >> > > Is your Hardy system a laptop? > From: About >Power Manager Brightness Applet 2.22.1: > Adjusts laptop panel brightness. > > Cybe R. Wizard > Alas yes it complained because the Hardy is this computer and not a laptop. It appears it works only with laptops. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From 4030man at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 21:35:48 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:35:48 -0700 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <49B58809.1060609@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> <20090309160309.64281c1d@WizardsTower> <49B58809.1060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B58BB4.2080402@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >> "Karl F. Larsen" said: >> >>> I discover that the Brightness applet works perfect on my laptop >>> with 8.11 Ubuntu and does not work at all on my Hardy system. I think >>> perhaps it was not done well on Hardy. But on 8.11 it is perfect. >>> >>> Sorry it differs from your experience. >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >> Is your Hardy system a laptop? >> From: About >Power Manager Brightness Applet 2.22.1: >> Adjusts laptop panel brightness. >> >> Cybe R. Wizard >> > Alas yes it complained because the Hardy is this computer and not a > laptop. It appears it works only with laptops. > > Karl > > Karl Just a thought, Do you have the ACPI enabled in the BIOS for the desktop computer? I would think this would be needed before The PMBA could be used. nolan From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 22:18:29 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:18:29 -0400 Subject: Dual head setup, different resolution screens, virtual screen to big for smaller one In-Reply-To: <5df1aeab0903072328i7cd01d0fvb24f02cba2f22975@mail.gmail.com> References: <5df1aeab0903072328i7cd01d0fvb24f02cba2f22975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B595B5.9060105@sbcglobal.net> Jorge Santos wrote: > Hi, > > I have a laptop with an external monitor attached. After fiddling for > a while (using the graphical Display Preferences tool) I managed to > run both screens at the optimal resolution for both but now the > smaller screen has some space (on top) to which windows and the cursor > can go that does not show on the actual screen. That's probably from > the virtual screen size being to big for it. Additionally moving > stuff around either screen is dog-slow, which I suspect is related to > the same problem. Anyone has any ideas on how to fix this? I'll > provide more details if necessary, of course. > > Thank you, > Jorge > I've noticed this too with mine, Dell Inspiron 5150, 8.10, nVidia GeForce FX Go5200, 32 MB video RAM, Restricted driver version 173 (Recommended). Laptop display is 1024, and the external is 1280. But it's not entirely like the virtual screen is too big, the top & bottom panels are right on the screen where they should be. I can mouse the mouse above the top panel, but can't drag a window there. Doesn't bother me enough to worry about it, though. But mine isn't slow taking windows to the other screen... Let me know what details of my system you want. if it'll help. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Mon Mar 9 22:29:39 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:29:39 +0100 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <49B58BB4.2080402@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <49B573EE.5030307@gmail.com> <49B580F5.6000604@gmail.com> <20090309160309.64281c1d@WizardsTower> <49B58809.1060609@gmail.com> <49B58BB4.2080402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236637780.9761.33.camel@chronic> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 14:35 -0700, Nolan Cooper wrote: > Karl > Just a thought, Do you have the ACPI enabled in the BIOS for the > desktop computer? > > I would think this would be needed before The PMBA could be used. The brightness applet changes the physical brightness of the lamps of the laptop screen. You cannot do this over a video cable to an external monitor. That's why external monitors have their own screen brightness buttons :) From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Mon Mar 9 22:56:45 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: gpg signature in evolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61d8eefb-b4b5-4f9d-ac0f-544f4608b0d3@default> Hello, I recently installed 8.10, and am trying to get evolution to sign my email with a gpg signature. I created the gpg key using: gpg --key-gen Then I listed the key using: gpg --list-keys I took note of the key id. Next I went to evolution and selected edit -> prefferences -> mail accounts edit security tab. I entered the public id for my gpg key int othe gpg-key edit box, and clicked "ok". When I try to send an email, I get an error saying that the key could not be read. Any ideas would be appreciated. > -----Original Message----- > From: NoOp [mailto:glgxg at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:12 PM > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? > > > On 03/09/2009 09:30 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Amichai Rotman wrote: > > >> I will rsync my files to an external drive, then delete all the > >> partitions on the main original drive and re-partition. I still > >> think a 20GB / (root) partition is reasonable. > >> > >> > > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using a separate > > /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is only about 6 GB in > > size. > > My / is 32.5GB & subtracting the 20.4GB for /home means that my / is > 12.1GB. Mind you that I tend to install just about everything > under the > sun on this system - my /usr directory is 7.1GB and my /opt > directory is > 2.8GB. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From Jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Mon Mar 9 23:09:24 2009 From: Jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:09:24 +0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! Message-ID: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> Hi Lucio I had a go. After start I did load from CD. Got the menu. Pressed F6, got the text string at foot. Tried: Delete quiet and added text below, then enter... Failed Tried in front of quiet... Failed Tried Esc, F6 added text failed Anyother suggestions, please.? *** Sent via Mobilephone*** Regards Jonathan Harrison Managing Director Work: +44 (0)20 8660 6457 Mobile: +44(0)7770 740 133 Fax: +44 (0)871 264 6922 Email: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it -----Original Message----- From: "Lucio M Nicolosi" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: 09/03/09 18:55 Subject: Re: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Hi Lucio > Thank you.  I had another expert send me some stuff just before yours > arrived.  Very similar information. > > It sounds simple enough, yet as I mentioned I am NOT a techie.  I think I > know what a kernel is - lines of code (?).  This is all very scary and new > ground for me.  Could I be a pain please and ask exactly what I need to do > and how. Jonathan When you boot from the CD there is an initial screen that asks what do you want to do. There, you have an option to edit the command line, (I can't remember if it is the F6 option or what, unfortunately no Live CD nearby). I'm sure it is well explained, just take a moment to check the options. You may find something like: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-2-generic root=UUID=8116c71f-703c-45f2-b7cd-e4e395578ee8 ro quiet splash just remove "quiet" and "splash" and add: iommu=noaperture at the end of the line and see what happens. If you are not a techie (just like me) perhaps you should take a look at the Ubuntu Desktop instead of the Ubuntu Server (your intention, if I understood correctly), also, you don't need to remove any other disks from the PC if you intend to put them back later (?). And an Ubuntu install needs at least two partitions, root (/) and /swap, if your software do not require a lot of data in the /home partition, the place where you would keep your personal stuff, if it were not a server of some kind, but the install program will help you with partitioning. Regards, Lucio -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 9 19:13:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:13:24 -0300 Subject: Firewall question References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <1629625.fdg3P0Jspb@cedar.serverforest.com> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM, R Kimber > wrote: >> The firewall is blocking it.  There's no error. If there was a 404, >> there surely wouldn't be any block. The message from Firestarter is >> >> Date port source protocol service >> >> Mar 9 16:45:49 52959 174.132.128.187 TCP unknown >> >> In the browser, nothing happens for a while and then it (or maybe one >> of the plugins) reports a network timeout. I can ping the server OK. >> > Am I missing something or 174.132.128.187 is not www.pollingreport.com ? It is: $ nslookup www.pollingreport.com ... Non-authoritative answer: www.pollingreport.com canonical name = pollingreport.com. Name: pollingreport.com Address: 174.132.128.187 > I presume, of course, that you can access the site if Firestarter is > disabled. Of course, firestarter is just running iptables rules, and most firewalls that I have seen are no good at recognizing rules that may have been written _outside_ the tool - yet because they're just iptables rules, they still catch all the errors if somebody else created the rule. # sudo iptables -L Should tell you what blocked it. Finding out where the rule comes from could be harder... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 9 23:07:16 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:07:16 -0300 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> Message-ID: <1950099.BNtfzt8S9Y@cedar.serverforest.com> Victor Padro wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Kipton Moravec wrote: > >> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:18 +0100, Joep L. Blom wrote: >> > Kipton Moravec wrote: >> > > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu >> (or >> > > another version of Linux). >> > > >> > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to >> > > the Internet through this gateway? >> > > >> > I would advise to use the LEAF firewall >> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ >> > > > I don't want to initiate any discussion, Are you sure that's what you mean? That's what the list is for - to discuss! > but the best firewall/router option you may have is Pfsense. I have no idea about Pfsense, and have never seen it mentioned - which is a good enough reason for a happy user to mention it, imo! -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 23:48:07 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:48:07 -0700 Subject: gpg signature in evolution In-Reply-To: <61d8eefb-b4b5-4f9d-ac0f-544f4608b0d3@default> References: <61d8eefb-b4b5-4f9d-ac0f-544f4608b0d3@default> Message-ID: On 03/09/2009 03:56 PM, Don Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > I recently installed 8.10, and am trying to get evolution to sign my email with a gpg signature. > [snip] And this has exactly what to do with: ubject: Re: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? ?? From vpadro at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 23:49:04 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:49:04 -0600 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. In-Reply-To: <1950099.BNtfzt8S9Y@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> <1950099.BNtfzt8S9Y@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Victor Padro wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Kipton Moravec wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:18 +0100, Joep L. Blom wrote: > >> > Kipton Moravec wrote: > >> > > I am planning to use a computer as a gateway/firewall running Ubuntu > >> (or > >> > > another version of Linux). > >> > > > >> > > What is the utility, or service, I need to allow different paths to > >> > > the Internet through this gateway? > >> > > > > >> > I would advise to use the LEAF firewall > >> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > >> > > > > > I don't want to initiate any discussion, > > Are you sure that's what you mean? That's what the list is for - to > discuss! > Believe me on another distro list I am currently active this would have started a bad discussion - example: Why it's better FreeBSD over Linux, you can easily do this using iptables, ufw, please don't do that, etc. ;) Discussion here it's different, it's kinda more appropiate, but sometimes gets out of the nice techie discussion and goes to more personal issues and blogging my techie life. ;) > > but the best firewall/router option you may have is Pfsense. > > I have no idea about Pfsense, and have never seen it mentioned - which is a > good enough reason for a happy user to mention it, imo! > -- It's a good option believe me, even enterprises use it as a failover-firewall/router > derek > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > cheers, Victor. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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Finding out where the rule comes from > could be harder... Maybe at one time he hit the cPanel instead of the website: http://174.132.128.187/ Stranger things have happened with Firestarter... From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 00:38:11 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:38:11 -0200 Subject: Firewall question In-Reply-To: <20090309184501.7656b39f@infinity.localnet> References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> <20090309184501.7656b39f@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903091738h5ddb97e1oe9efe6c2ae7b78f3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM, R Kimber wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:44:41 -0300 > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > > > Am I missing something or 174.132.128.187 is not > > www.pollingreport.com ? > > www.pollingreport.com. 14171 IN CNAME pollingreport.com. > pollingreport.com. 14171 IN A 174.132.128.187 > I would do iptables-save and then grep the output for 174.132.128.187. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 10 01:06:54 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:06:54 -0400 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <825099.75119.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <825099.75119.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B5BD2E.2000509@gatech.edu> Charlie Dorff wrote: > Hi... I have been trying to install Ubuntu on my netbook using a > thumb drive. I used several different methods to put Ubuntu on a > thumb drive and each time I reboot my computer Windows starts running > instead of going into Ubuntu live mode. I tried purchasing a thumb > drive with Ubuntu and the samething happens. You've left out all the relevant information. What "methods" did you use. What version of Ubuntu, and how did you transfer it, etc.? ther There are many tutorials on this we could send you to, but first we want to know what you already tried. Matt Flaschen From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 10 01:08:36 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <527154.361.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/9/09, NoOp wrote: > From: NoOp > Subject: Re: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:11 PM > On 03/09/2009 09:30 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Amichai Rotman > wrote: > > >> I will rsync my files to an external drive, then > delete all the > >> partitions on the main original drive and > re-partition. I still > >> think a 20GB / (root) partition is reasonable. > >> > >> > > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using > a separate > > /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is only > about 6 GB in > > size. > > My / is 32.5GB & subtracting the 20.4GB for /home means > that my / is > 12.1GB. Mind you that I tend to install just about > everything under the > sun on this system - my /usr directory is 7.1GB and my /opt > directory is > 2.8GB. > > Sorry NoOP. I only have 1767 packages installed of 26204 listed so I guess I could fill up a lot of disc space if I had a need for it-:)) Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 10 01:26:15 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:26:15 -0400 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903070401s2ef5f331idb53d89f406ab81a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B5C1B7.3020207@gatech.edu> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Amichai, even 15 GB will more than enough. How did you get to 11 GB?!? I agree. I have a 15 GB / and am currently using only 8.4. This is with both GNOME and KDE, and certainly not being frugal with disk space. Matt Flaschen From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 02:44:22 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:44:22 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Hi Lucio > I had a go. After start I did load from CD. Got the menu. Pressed F6, got the text string at foot. Tried: > Delete quiet and added text below, then enter... Failed > Tried in front of quiet... Failed > Tried Esc, F6 added text failed > > Anyother suggestions, please.? Jonathan, while in this list, please trim and bottom post your messages. What kind of hardware is yours? What kind of Video Board are you using? PCI-Ex? Please check: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1018854&highlight=enable+iommu+option+bios and see if something applies. Removing the splash and quiet options only enable you to see what's going on with the boot process, step by step, nothing to do with your actual problem. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 02:47:20 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:47:20 -0600 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <49B5BD2E.2000509@gatech.edu> References: <825099.75119.qm@web110301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49B5BD2E.2000509@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Matthew Flaschen < matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote: > Charlie Dorff wrote: > > Hi... I have been trying to install Ubuntu on my netbook using a > > thumb drive. I used several different methods to put Ubuntu on a > > thumb drive and each time I reboot my computer Windows starts running > > instead of going into Ubuntu live mode. I tried purchasing a thumb > > drive with Ubuntu and the samething happens. > > You've left out all the relevant information. What "methods" did you > use. What version of Ubuntu, and how did you transfer it, etc.? ther > There are many tutorials on this we could send you to, but first we want > to know what you already tried. > > Matt Flaschen > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > The easiest way to do it for my HP mini was using unetbootin http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html it can be done using windows or linux(although there are certain packages that are needed) and there are many distros which you can choose from, including Ubuntu. good luck -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On my ubuntus, / is only >> about 6 GB in >>> size. >> >> My / is 32.5GB & subtracting the 20.4GB for /home means that my / >> is 12.1GB. Mind you that I tend to install just about everything >> under the sun on this system - my /usr directory is 7.1GB and my >> /opt directory is 2.8GB. >> >> > Sorry NoOP. I only have 1767 packages installed of 26204 listed so I > guess I could fill up a lot of disc space if I had a need for it-:)) No worries... install another 945 packages & then you'll be right up there with the rest of us 'crazies' :-) From cy41169 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 03:03:56 2009 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com (Charlie Dorff) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? Message-ID: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi again... I had asked earlier how to install Ubuntu using a thumb drive and got a response saying I needed to be more detailed. I first tried using Unetbootin to transfer Ubuntu 8.10 onto a 2 gigabyte thumb drive. Unetbootin requires broadband internet so I took my netbook to a coffee shop and used their wifi. After Ubuntu had finished downloading I checked to see if Ubuntu was on the thumb drive and it was so I rebooted my computer. When my computer started up Windows came up running. My computer didn't go into Ubuntu live mode. The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you.  Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu > selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the > thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into > Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with > Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. > Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you. > Charlie > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > You have to boot from USB first usually when the computers boots up press F8 or F12 on the keyboard and you could choose where to boot from. on my HP it's F9, or you can change the bios settings to acomplish the same task. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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Installed the same from the Synaptic Package Manager and working fine for me. -- Ashish On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 15:04 +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: >> How can I add few more items in the Menu that comes when we Right >> Click on the Desktop in Ubuntu 8.04. >> The available options Create Folder, Create Launcher .... , Create >> Document, Clean Up by Name,  Keep Aligned, Paste. > >> Suppose I want to add a new Item say "New Terminal" and this will open >> a new terminal. > > For the terminal, install nautilus-open-terminal > There is also nautilus-gksu that you can install to to have a "open as > administrator". Install nautilus-image-converter to convert images and > nautilus-script-audio-convert for audio, and nautilus-wallpaper to be > able to choose wallpaper. > > For arbitrary items, install nautilus-actions. > > To be able to write scripts that can be launched on rightclick, see the > nautilus-script-* packages > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From ubuntu at paul.sladen.org Tue Mar 10 03:53:20 2009 From: ubuntu at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How do I boot Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Charlie Dorff wrote: > I rebooted my computer. When my computer started up Windows came up 1. Go into the BIOS 2. Move "USB" ahead of "HDD" and "CD-ROM" in the boot-order. -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. From daveco-inc at hotmail.com Tue Mar 10 04:07:43 2009 From: daveco-inc at hotmail.com (David Widder) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:07:43 +0800 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you start up your computer, there are usually a few commands, like press F12 for setup, but they could be the Delete or F2 keys also. in that menu, there will be some place that says "boot order" and arange them so USB is above HD or hard drive. save, exit and reboot. Mr. David G. Widder CEO of DaveCo Inc® DaveCo, Your Personal IT Consultant. Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:03:56 -0700 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Hi again... I had asked earlier how to install Ubuntu using a thumb drive and got a response saying I needed to be more detailed. I first tried using Unetbootin to transfer Ubuntu 8.10 onto a 2 gigabyte thumb drive. Unetbootin requires broadband internet so I took my netbook to a coffee shop and used their wifi. After Ubuntu had finished downloading I checked to see if Ubuntu was on the thumb drive and it was so I rebooted my computer. When my computer started up Windows came up running. My computer didn't go into Ubuntu live mode. The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you. 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From vreswar at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 04:25:56 2009 From: vreswar at gmail.com (Eshwar Varanasi) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:25:56 +0000 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bb996af0903092125t6eeb887ajf5d75cf3512139a3@mail.gmail.com> Dear Users, I'm a new bee, looking for a dual boot from microsoft xp os with ubuntu which i got free from digit magazine few months earlier. I'm stuck at a point where i had to provide partitions for my disk, i have 300gb hdd. almost divided into 20, 60,60,60,80,10 space drives. I want to use the last 10gb unallocated space for ubuntu,but in the installation it shows disk partition as as /dev/root then /dev/spa1 for 20gb /dev/spa2 for 60.../dev/spa6 for 10 gb. but I had very important stuff in my hdd, so couldnt risk. Can you guys guide me how to install ubuntu in that 10gb unallocated disk space without loosing my 290gb hdd data. -Eshwar On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:07 AM, David Widder wrote: > When you start up your computer, there are usually a few commands, like > press F12 for setup, but they could be the Delete or F2 keys also. in that > menu, there will be some place that says "boot order" and arange them so USB > is above HD or hard drive. save, exit and reboot. > > ------------------------------ > Mr. David G. Widder > > CEO of DaveCo Inc® > DaveCo, Your Personal IT Consultant. > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:03:56 -0700 > From: cy41169 at yahoo.com > Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Hi again... > I had asked earlier how to install Ubuntu using a thumb drive and got a > response saying I needed to be more detailed. I first tried using Unetbootin > to transfer Ubuntu 8.10 onto a 2 gigabyte thumb drive. Unetbootin requires > broadband internet so I took my netbook to a coffee shop and used their > wifi. After Ubuntu had finished downloading I checked to see if Ubuntu was > on the thumb drive and it was so I rebooted my computer. When my computer > started up Windows came up running. My computer didn't go into Ubuntu live > mode. The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu > selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the > thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into > Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with > Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. > Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you. > Charlie > > > > ------------------------------ > Chat online and in real-time with friends and family! 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In short can someone who is running 8.04x64 explain what I have to do to be able to run sun's java implementation for firefox 3.0.6? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 05:00:48 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:00:48 -0600 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <5bb996af0903092125t6eeb887ajf5d75cf3512139a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5bb996af0903092125t6eeb887ajf5d75cf3512139a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Eshwar Varanasi wrote: > Dear Users, > > I'm a new bee, looking for a dual boot from microsoft xp os with ubuntu > which i got free from digit magazine few months earlier. I'm stuck at a > point where i had to provide partitions for my disk, i have 300gb hdd. > almost divided into 20, 60,60,60,80,10 space drives. I want to use the last > 10gb unallocated space for ubuntu,but in the installation it shows disk > partition as > as /dev/root then /dev/spa1 for 20gb /dev/spa2 for 60.../dev/spa6 for 10 > gb. but I had very important stuff in my hdd, so couldnt risk. > > Can you guys guide me how to install ubuntu in that 10gb unallocated disk > space without loosing my 290gb hdd data. > > -Eshwar > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:07 AM, David Widder wrote: > >> When you start up your computer, there are usually a few commands, like >> press F12 for setup, but they could be the Delete or F2 keys also. in that >> menu, there will be some place that says "boot order" and arange them so USB >> is above HD or hard drive. save, exit and reboot. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Mr. David G. Widder >> >> CEO of DaveCo Inc® >> DaveCo, Your Personal IT Consultant. >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:03:56 -0700 >> From: cy41169 at yahoo.com >> Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? >> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> >> Hi again... >> I had asked earlier how to install Ubuntu using a thumb drive and got a >> response saying I needed to be more detailed. I first tried using Unetbootin >> to transfer Ubuntu 8.10 onto a 2 gigabyte thumb drive. Unetbootin requires >> broadband internet so I took my netbook to a coffee shop and used their >> wifi. After Ubuntu had finished downloading I checked to see if Ubuntu was >> on the thumb drive and it was so I rebooted my computer. When my computer >> started up Windows came up running. My computer didn't go into Ubuntu live >> mode. The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu >> selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the >> thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into >> Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with >> Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. >> Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you. >> Charlie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Chat online and in real-time with friends and family! Windows Live >> Messenger >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Please don't hijack this post, create a new one. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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In short > can someone who is running 8.04x64 explain what I have to do to be able > to run sun's java implementation for firefox 3.0.6? > > -- > -john > > To be or not to be, that is the question > 2b || !2b > (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) > 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 > 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 > 0b11111111 > 255, that is the answer. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Try this mini how-to, it worked for me: http://tldr.me/blog/2009/02/03/java-6-update-12-for-linux-amd64-howto/ cheers. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cy41169 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 07:22:07 2009 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com (Charlie Dorff) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thank you Mathew Re: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? Message-ID: <419096.51332.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just wanted to let you know I was able to get Ubuntu installed on my netbook. I had to change my bois settings. Thank you very much for responding to my email. Charlie --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: From: Matthew Flaschen Subject: Re: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 8:06 PM Charlie Dorff wrote: > Hi... I have been trying to install Ubuntu on my netbook using a > thumb drive. I used several different methods to put Ubuntu on a > thumb drive and each time I reboot my computer Windows starts running > instead of going into Ubuntu live mode. I tried purchasing a thumb > drive with Ubuntu and the samething happens. You've left out all the relevant information.  What "methods" did you use.  What version of Ubuntu, and how did you transfer it, etc.?  ther There are many tutorials on this we could send you to, but first we want to know what you already tried. Matt Flaschen -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 08:52:24 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:52:24 +0100 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903100152s308fc0d2g42ebeac6a19f98cd@mail.gmail.com> Jonathan, Which error does the installation give when you add the parameter ? cheers, Andy 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison > Hi Lucio > I had a go. After start I did load from CD. Got the menu. Pressed F6, got > the text string at foot. Tried: > Delete quiet and added text below, then enter... Failed > Tried in front of quiet... Failed > Tried Esc, F6 added text failed > > Anyother suggestions, please.? > > *** Sent via Mobilephone*** > > Regards > > Jonathan Harrison > > Managing Director > > Work: +44 (0)20 8660 6457 > Mobile: +44(0)7770 740 133 > Fax: +44 (0)871 264 6922 > Email: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lucio M Nicolosi" > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Sent: 09/03/09 18:55 > Subject: Re: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Harrison > wrote: > > Hi Lucio > > Thank you. I had another expert send me some stuff just before yours > > arrived. Very similar information. > > > > It sounds simple enough, yet as I mentioned I am NOT a techie. I think I > > know what a kernel is - lines of code (?). This is all very scary and > new > > ground for me. Could I be a pain please and ask exactly what I need to > do > > and how. > > Jonathan > > When you boot from the CD there is an initial screen that asks what do > you want to do. > > There, you have an option to edit the command line, (I can't remember > if it is the F6 option or what, unfortunately no Live CD nearby). I'm > sure it is well explained, just take a moment to check the options. > > You may find something like: > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-2-generic > root=UUID=8116c71f-703c-45f2-b7cd-e4e395578ee8 ro quiet splash > > just remove "quiet" and "splash" and add: iommu=noaperture at > the end of the line and see what happens. > > If you are not a techie (just like me) perhaps you should take a look > at the Ubuntu Desktop instead of the Ubuntu Server (your intention, if > I understood correctly), also, you don't need to remove any other > disks from the PC if you intend to put them back later (?). And an > Ubuntu install needs at least two partitions, root (/) and /swap, if > your software do not require a lot of data in the /home partition, the > place where you would keep your personal stuff, if it were not a > server of some kind, but the install program will help you with > partitioning. > > Regards, > > Lucio > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 09:03:52 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:03:52 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> Message-ID: <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> Lucio and Andy Still no joy. FYI System: Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2(rev. 1.0). RAM: 4 x KVR800D2N5k2/2G Kingston. Processor: AMD64b dual core 6000+. Hard Drive: Western Digital WD800BB 00JHCO (half formatted and partitioned). CD is Lite SHM 165P6S MSOM. No Video cards, or any other Objective: Install Ubuntu Server: ubuntu-8.10-server-amd64 or 32b with a longer term objective to progress to eMail Server, Unison voice switch and UC. Done: I install by CD on Boot, complete Language and reset country Keyboard, all to UK English. Select Install Server I then get the following message: [ 0.004000] Aperture pointing to e820 RAM. Ignoring. [ 0.004000] Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole [ 0.004000] Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup [ 0.004000] This costs you 64MB of RAM First line is sometimes: [ 0.004000] Aperture more than 4G RAM. Ignoring. BIOS settings in Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2 for Extended Memory are auto-detect and not adjustable. - have tried 32b version too. Tried F6 and done a gradual install. Gets to "Loading/install/initrd.gz...... ready". Then get the message above, also. Will not pass this point. ======= from your advise so far ======== >From Ubuntu Menu screen I have also tried: F6 and added iommu=noaperture to the end text at foot of screen, either before, after or deleting Quiet. There is no splash. I have also done Esc at Menu and then edited (tab) the Rescue and added there too. Here it gets further. I get to [ 0.3831121] bus: 02index 4 mmio: [0.ffffffffffffffff] [ 0.3831122] NET: Registered protocol family 2 And then it stops... I have also tried addingiommu=memaper=3 pci=nommconf (another phrase I found on the links sent to me). I have also written to Gigabyte and waiting for them to reply (24hrs so far). I have also tried their updates, but none are required. PS. Re your question/comment: I took out the other HDs because of capacity. I have 3 in this machine normally. 1 for OS and Aps, 1 x for the files and 1 x for backups. I intend not to use the first (OS) as it will not have the capacity for the 2 OS, so have used a new, spare I found in my magic box. As I have no spare sockets to run a CD drive, I have disconnected the ribbon and connected to the new HD (middle) and the CD (end). I then unplugged the backup HD because the cable was in the way. From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 09:38:38 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:38:38 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903100152s308fc0d2g42ebeac6a19f98cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <2757a8ab0903100152s308fc0d2g42ebeac6a19f98cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007b01c9a163$fddd1ad0$f9975070$@it> [ 0.3831121] bus: 02index 4 mmio: [0.ffffffffffffffff] [ 0.3831122] NET: Registered protocol family 2 And then it stops... Any chance I could call you? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 09:42:50 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:42:50 +0100 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> Jonathan, I am wondering, would it help if you remove some memory ? It's not the most charming method, but as I read from the different forums, it is a problem which occurs regularly on AMD systems with 4GB+ memory. Now, If you would remove some memory (say, 2GB), and try to install then ? You can apply the memory afterwards, and see what it does, and play with the kernelparameters on a working system. Hope this helps a little. Cheers, Andy 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison > Lucio and Andy > Still no joy. > > FYI > > System: > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2(rev. 1.0). RAM: 4 x KVR800D2N5k2/2G > Kingston. Processor: AMD64b dual core 6000+. Hard Drive: Western Digital > WD800BB 00JHCO (half formatted and partitioned). CD is Lite SHM 165P6S > MSOM. No Video cards, or any other > > Objective: > Install Ubuntu Server: ubuntu-8.10-server-amd64 or 32b with a longer term > objective to progress to eMail Server, Unison voice switch and UC. > > Done: > I install by CD on Boot, complete Language and reset country Keyboard, all > to UK English. Select Install Server > > I then get the following message: > [ 0.004000] Aperture pointing to e820 RAM. Ignoring. > [ 0.004000] Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole > [ 0.004000] Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup > [ 0.004000] This costs you 64MB of RAM > > First line is sometimes: > [ 0.004000] Aperture more than 4G RAM. Ignoring. > > BIOS settings in Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2 for Extended Memory are auto-detect > and not adjustable. > > - have tried 32b version too. Tried F6 and done a gradual install. Gets > to > "Loading/install/initrd.gz...... ready". Then get the message above, also. > Will not pass this point. > > ======= from your advise so far ======== > From Ubuntu Menu screen I have also tried: > F6 and added iommu=noaperture to the end text at foot of screen, either > before, after or deleting Quiet. There is no splash. > I have also done Esc at Menu and then edited (tab) the Rescue and added > there too. Here it gets further. I get to > [ 0.3831121] bus: 02index 4 mmio: [0.ffffffffffffffff] > [ 0.3831122] NET: Registered protocol family 2 > And then it stops... > > I have also tried addingiommu=memaper=3 pci=nommconf (another phrase I > found > on the links sent to me). > > I have also written to Gigabyte and waiting for them to reply (24hrs so > far). > > I have also tried their updates, but none are required. > > PS. Re your question/comment: I took out the other HDs because of > capacity. I have 3 in this machine normally. 1 for OS and Aps, 1 x for the > files and 1 x for backups. I intend not to use the first (OS) as it will > not have the capacity for the 2 OS, so have used a new, spare I found in my > magic box. As I have no spare sockets to run a CD drive, I have > disconnected the ribbon and connected to the new HD (middle) and the CD > (end). I then unplugged the backup HD because the cable was in the way. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 10:15:52 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:15:52 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <2757a8ab0903100152s308fc0d2g42ebeac6a19f98cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801c9a169$317d40e0$9477c2a0$@it> Andy I decided to take out RAM cards, just to see what happens as this problem seems to be related to the RAM capacity. Whether I took out 2 or 3 cards (left 2G or just 1G) the result was the same: It stopped after: [ 0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. I also tried when I had 2GB RAM installed, to add the iommu-noaperture I got a blank screen with the cursor top left, and no more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 10:17:05 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:17:05 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903100317w28f24b29x60617d11eaf7c993@mail.gmail.com> > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using a > separate /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is > only about 6 GB in size. > No he couldn't, he is already using up 11 MB in /. However, I do think that is the biggest that I've ever seen for an Ubuntu system. It's huge, and I cannot imagine it going any bigger, assuming that he is not storing user-data or virtual machines on the partition. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 10:33:48 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:33:48 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> Huh, one step ahead of you... I feel proud of myself. Still does not work though. I actually took it down to JUST 1G. Done with and without the insertion of the iommu=noaperture Interestingly, I still get the 4G message! On the scripted install (Esc at Ubuntu Menu)... I get Loading/install/vmlinuz.............................................. Loading/install/initrd.gz............................................ ..................................ready [ 0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. Then it just hangs on the next line -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Did you also try the iommu=memaper=3 option ? 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison > Huh, one step ahead of you... I feel proud of myself. > > Still does not work though. I actually took it down to JUST 1G. Done with > and without the insertion of the iommu=noaperture > > > > Interestingly, I still get the 4G message! On the scripted install (Esc at > Ubuntu Menu)... I get > > > > Loading/install/vmlinuz.............................................. > > Loading/install/initrd.gz............................................ > > ..................................ready > > [ 0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. > > > > Then it just hangs on the next line > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 10 01:05:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:05:33 -0300 Subject: Backup paths to the internet. References: <1236610055.6385.119.camel@red.home> <49B5333D.1050506@neuroweave.nl> <1236624175.6385.154.camel@red.home> <1950099.BNtfzt8S9Y@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1938256.6WcT8IrhGx@cedar.serverforest.com> Victor Padro wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> > I don't want to initiate any discussion, >> >> Are you sure that's what you mean? That's what the list is for - to >> discuss! >> > Believe me on another distro list I am currently active this would have > started a bad discussion - Oh, I'm sure. But since the OP asked :-) >> I have no idea about Pfsense, and have never seen it mentioned - which is >> a good enough reason for a happy user to mention it, imo! > > It's a good option believe me, even enterprises use it as a > failover-firewall/router It's always good to hear about more options. -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 12:54:07 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:54:07 -0600 Subject: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive? In-Reply-To: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B662EF.9050808@gmail.com> Charlie Dorff wrote: > Hi again... > I had asked earlier how to install Ubuntu using a thumb drive and got a response saying I needed to be more detailed. I first tried using Unetbootin to transfer Ubuntu 8.10 onto a 2 gigabyte thumb drive. Unetbootin requires broadband internet so I took my netbook to a coffee shop and used their wifi. After Ubuntu had finished downloading I checked to see if Ubuntu was on the thumb drive and it was so I rebooted my computer. When my computer started up Windows came up running. My computer didn't go into Ubuntu live mode. The second method was to run a cd in live mode and then in the menu selected make a USB startup disk. After the transfer was complete I put the thumb drive in my USB port of my netbook and again it went straight into Windows without going into Ubuntu. I finally purchased a thumb drive with Ubuntu 8.10 and the results were the same. I have an Inspiration netbook. Please let me know if I need to include anymore information. Thank you. > Charlie > > > > > > The problem my be that your computer is not set up to boot from a thumb drive. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 13:09:14 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:09:14 -0600 Subject: how to protect file using password In-Reply-To: <713059.77345.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <713059.77345.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B6667A.4060703@gmail.com> jiten jha wrote: > Dear all, > I have a file i just want to protect it using password . like when every one open that file that it is asking for password. tell me the command prompt option and command also. > > Thanks and Regard > Jitendra Jha > +91-9893325765 > > > > > Every file has a owner. Every owner has a password. You check for the owner with ls -al and it will give you something like this: karl at karl-hardy:~$ ls -al test -rw-r--r-- 1 karl karl 528 2008-08-11 16:40 test The -rw means read and write. The karl means user karl is the owner. 73 Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From chowse at charter.net Tue Mar 10 13:12:52 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:12:52 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting Message-ID: Hi, I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? top - 06:18:40 up 1 day, 13:19, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.21, 0.15 Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 1.4%us, 4.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.0%id, 0.1%wa, 0.2%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st Mem: 254716k total, 237116k used, 17600k free, 10456k buffers Swap: 393552k total, 4660k used, 388892k free, 193432k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 13029 charles 20 0 2284 964 764 R 7.2 0.4 0:00.10 top 1 root 20 0 2944 1860 544 S 0.0 0.7 0:13.98 init 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 4 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.66 ksoftirqd/0 5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 6 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.76 events/0 7 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.24 khelper 46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd/0 48 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.08 kblockd/0 69 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cqueue 73 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kseriod 115 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:43.12 pdflush 116 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 6:50.68 pdflush 117 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:01.47 kswapd0 162 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0 1029 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksuspend_usbd 1031 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd 1073 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/0 1075 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux 1090 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_0 1092 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_1 1919 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:11.16 kjournald 2069 root 16 -4 2176 684 392 S 0.0 0.3 0:04.12 udevd 3272 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:17.16 kjournald 3273 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:57.72 kjournald 3623 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3625 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3633 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3637 root 20 0 1668 500 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3638 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3676 syslog 20 0 1884 696 540 S 0.0 0.3 0:02.54 syslogd 3694 root 20 0 1824 528 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.66 dd 3696 klog 20 0 3136 1984 420 S 0.0 0.8 0:01.82 klogd 3714 messageb 20 0 2508 784 588 S 0.0 0.3 0:05.52 dbus-daemon 3745 root 20 0 2052 668 524 S 0.0 0.3 0:14.38 dovecot 3747 root 20 0 9396 2356 1796 S 0.0 0.9 0:05.68 dovecot-auth 3771 daemon 20 0 1940 444 316 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 atd 3796 root 20 0 3284 1016 804 S 0.0 0.4 0:01.32 cron 3806 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty 3811 root 20 0 16076 2500 1596 S 0.0 1.0 0:17.69 console- kit-dae 5754 proftpd 20 0 5052 1432 616 S 0.0 0.6 0:05.18 proftpd 5856 root 20 0 5180 1052 664 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.02 sshd 11691 root 20 0 8204 2812 2256 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.58 sshd 11698 charles 20 0 8340 1560 984 S 0.0 0.6 0:01.86 sshd 11699 charles 20 0 5472 2928 1424 S 0.0 1.1 0:02.08 bash 12220 root 20 0 9396 2384 1852 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.22 dovecot- auth 12222 dovecot 20 0 3424 1556 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login 12623 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login 12994 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login 13018 charles 20 0 4248 1496 1056 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.10 daily_report.sh -- Thanks, Charles Things that make you say, Hmmmmmm... How can someone be dirt poor, and another be filthy rich? From richardkimber at btinternet.com Tue Mar 10 13:24:58 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:24:58 +0000 Subject: Firewall question [solved] In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> <1629625.fdg3P0Jspb@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090310132458.3e8cfb2d@infinity.localnet> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:51:59 -0700 NoOp wrote: > Stranger things have happened with Firestarter... It turns out that the non-routables list has become out of date, and the website that I was trying to access was classed by Firestarter as a non-routable. I've replaced the list on my PC with the RESERVED and UNALLOCATED addresses from http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ and all seems to be OK again. I've also contacted Firestarter, and re-activated a previous, fixed, launchpad bug about it being outdated. Thanks for the feedback. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 14:15:52 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:15:52 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Andy Tried that too. Also failed, but same message, but gave different MG cost. Had a very interesting response from Gigabyte. They told me to reset BIOS to "load optimized default" They also said "Sorry, but we do not test our motherboards with Linux so cannot guarantee suitability" This is very slow and painful. Is there a faster way of communicating? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 14:22:01 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:01 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Andy Kannberg wrote: > Did you also try the iommu=memaper=3 option ? > > 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison >> >> Huh, one step ahead of you...  I feel proud of myself. >> >> Still does not work though.  I actually took it down to JUST 1G.  Done >> with and without the insertion of the iommu=noaperture >> >> >> >> Interestingly, I still get the 4G message!  On the scripted install (Esc >> at Ubuntu Menu)...  I get >> >> >> >> Loading/install/vmlinuz.............................................. >> >> Loading/install/initrd.gz............................................ >> >> ..................................ready >> >> [  0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. >> >> >> >> Then it just hangs on the next line >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > I think that Andy is right, something to do with lots of available memory (8 Gb?) .and. video configuration. Just a thought, have you reset all BIOS parameters to default after reducing the amount of memory? How is you onboard video configured? Which parameters are you using? I wonder if you can't find an old spare video (off) board just for testing? L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From maniac.nl at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 14:56:57 2009 From: maniac.nl at gmail.com (Mark Janssen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:56:57 +0100 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <531e3e4c0903100756k71eb4780sf420ef22f8bdc4dc@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Charles Howse wrote: > Hi, > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? Actually... that already is a clean list without any useless stuff running. Unless you want to lose your mailserver, the only thing you could remove were some of the getty's (but then you lose some consoles) -- Mark Janssen -- maniac(at)maniac.nl -- pgp: 0x357D2178 | ,''`. | Unix / Linux Open-Source and Internet Consultant @ Snow.nl | : :' : | Maniac.nl MarkJanssen.nl NerdNet.nl Unix.nl | `. `' | Skype: markmjanssen ICQ: 129696007 irc: FooBar on undernet | `- | From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 15:00:29 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:00:29 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison >>> >>> Huh, one step ahead of you...  I feel proud of myself. >>> >>> Still does not work though.  I actually took it down to JUST 1G.  Done >>> with and without the insertion of the iommu=noaperture >>> >>> Interestingly, I still get the 4G message!  On the scripted install (Esc >>> at Ubuntu Menu)...  I get >>> >>> Loading/install/vmlinuz.............................................. >>> >>> Loading/install/initrd.gz............................................ >>> >>> ..................................ready >>> >>> [  0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. >>> >>> Then it just hangs on the next line Seems that some GibaByte motherboards are prone to this kind of problem. Try disabling "USB Bios support" in BIOS /re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271070 L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 15:05:01 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David Karr) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:05:01 -0700 Subject: clamav getting uuencoded format error In-Reply-To: <6824847a0903080850p28dc2288o909c16c77d233f65@mail.gmail.com> References: <6824847a0903080850p28dc2288o909c16c77d233f65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6824847a0903100805w5b4db6b5md4f96444e85677a6@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:50 AM, David Karr wrote: > I've seen some mentions of this in searching, but not really what to do > about it. > > My clamav scan is now pretty quiet, except for a single message: > > LibClamAV Error: Message is not in uuencoded format > > I believe there's a bug filed to resolve this, but I think a separate bug > should be that it doesn't print the name of the file that it's scanning at > the time. > > Am I going to have to do a --verbose run to figure out what file is having > a problem with this? > If it matters, the file that is causing this is "/usr/share/doc/defoma/examples/dfsgyo5.ttc.hints". All but one of the files in this directory begin with: category truetype begin ... But this one file begins with: begin ... I'm examining how the error message could be provided with the file name, but after getting into the code, I see the method that prints that error is several layers deep, past where the filename was known. I think there are other candidate error messages that don't have the filename in them, so it might be worth it, but it'll be a bit of a pain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4030man at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 15:05:31 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:05:31 -0700 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903100317w28f24b29x60617d11eaf7c993@mail.gmail.com> References: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00903100317w28f24b29x60617d11eaf7c993@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B681BB.8000007@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: >> You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using a >> separate /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / is >> only about 6 GB in size. >> > > No he couldn't, he is already using up 11 MB in /. However, I do think > that is the biggest that I've ever seen for an Ubuntu system. It's > huge, and I cannot imagine it going any bigger, assuming that he is > not storing user-data or virtual machines on the partition. > Say What??!! 11MB=>10GB NOT!! nolan From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Tue Mar 10 15:15:43 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:15:43 +0100 Subject: how to protect file using password In-Reply-To: <713059.77345.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <713059.77345.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B6841F.4020007@carl-fh.com> jiten jha wrote: > > Dear all, > I have a file i just want to protect it using password . > like when every one open that file that it is asking for password. tell > me the command prompt option and command also. > > Thanks and Regard > Jitendra Jha > +91-9893325765 There are many possibilities. One is to archive it with password. Another is to use mcrypt, which is suggested here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-or-unix-password-protecting-files.html -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 15:21:17 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:17 -0400 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Charles Howse wrote: > Hi, > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? Well, I don't know too much how to help - since your wheat might be our chaff :-) e.g. if you are not running a mail server some of that stuff is chaff - but if you are, it's wheat. It doesn't look that bad to me. ps -auxwwf is much more readable for me for that task, and shows association. If it's in square brackets leave it alone :-) Brian From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:34:30 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:34:30 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > don't specify gw where it is not needed. The route is enough I commented out the gateway for the second interface. How do I add the route command so it survives the reboot, short of writing a init script? Also how do I set the speed and duplex to desired spec short of writing another init script? I am hoping all these can be added in the interfaces file. > > On 3/9/09, Asif Iqbal wrote: >> # cat  /etc/network/interfaces >> >> auto eth0 >> iface eth0 inet static >>        address 192.168.0.242 >>        netmask 255.255.255.252 >>        network 192.168.0.240 >>        broadcast 192.168.0.243 >>        gateway 192.168.0.241 >>        # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if >> installed >>        dns-nameservers 192.168.0.65 >>        dns-search example.com >> aut0 eth1 >> iface eth1 inet static >>        address 192.168.1.230 >>        netmask 255.255.255.252 >>        network 192.168.1.228 >>        broadcast 192.168.1.231 >>        gateway 192.168.1.229 >>        # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if >> installed >>        dns-nameservers 192.168.1.65 >>        dns-search example.com >> >> >> How do I modify the above setup so that I only have one default gw >> 192.168.0.241 and a second gw 192.168.1.229 only for the network >> 192.168.1.228 ? >> >> With the existing interfaces file, only one interface eth0 comes up. I >> need to run ifup eth1 manually as root for the eth1 to come up. >> However then the system has two default gw and hence do not respond to >> network anymore >> >> Also I have no access to the switches that these interfaces are connected >> to. So only way I can make the interfaces 100/full is by running the >> following >> command manually for each interface >> >>              ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >> >> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >> well, >> short of writing a init script? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Asif Iqbal >> PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 10 18:34:45 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:45 -0700 Subject: Firewall question [solved] In-Reply-To: <20090310132458.3e8cfb2d@infinity.localnet> References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> <1629625.fdg3P0Jspb@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090310132458.3e8cfb2d@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: On 03/10/2009 06:24 AM, R Kimber wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:51:59 -0700 > NoOp wrote: > >> Stranger things have happened with Firestarter... > > It turns out that the non-routables list has become out of date, and > the website that I was trying to access was classed by Firestarter as a > non-routable. I've replaced the list on my PC with the RESERVED and > UNALLOCATED addresses from > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ > and all seems to be OK again. I've also contacted Firestarter, and > re-activated a previous, fixed, launchpad bug about it being outdated. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > - Richard Good catch! I just tried (on hardy); before enabling 'Traffic Validation" in Advanced Options I could go to the website without any problems. As soon as I enabled it, Firestarter blocked the IP address. Firestarter 1.0.3 on Hardy 8.04.2 - 2.6.24-24-generic. Do you have a link to the launchpad bug? From chowse at charter.net Tue Mar 10 18:46:56 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:46:56 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <531e3e4c0903100756k71eb4780sf420ef22f8bdc4dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <531e3e4c0903100756k71eb4780sf420ef22f8bdc4dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E79155-702A-47AC-ADCF-93D4C6D4EF58@charter.net> On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Mark Janssen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Charles Howse > wrote: >> Hi, >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. >> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > > Actually... that already is a clean list without any useless stuff > running. > Unless you want to lose your mailserver, the only thing you could > remove were some of the getty's (but then you lose some consoles) Mark, Brian, thanks for the replies! I guess I was thinking that the processes that started with k had something to do with a gui that had been installed without my knowledge. A little rtfm would have been in order before I posted, eh? ;-) Thanks again, I'll not fix it if it's not broken! charles at shemp:~$ ps auxwwf USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 [kthreadd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [migration/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [ksoftirqd/0] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [watchdog/0] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:08 \_ [events/0] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [khelper] root 46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [kintegrityd/0] root 48 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:02 \_ [kblockd/0] root 69 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [cqueue] root 73 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [kseriod] root 115 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Mar07 0:43 \_ [pdflush] root 116 0.1 0.0 0 0 ? S Mar07 6:52 \_ [pdflush] root 117 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 2:01 \_ [kswapd0] root 162 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [aio/0] root 1029 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [ksuspend_usbd] root 1031 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [khubd] root 1073 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [ata/0] root 1075 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [ata_aux] root 1090 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_0] root 1092 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_1] root 1919 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:12 \_ [kjournald] root 3272 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:17 \_ [kjournald] root 3273 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar07 0:57 \_ [kjournald] root 1 0.0 0.7 2944 1860 ? Ss Mar07 0:14 /sbin/ init root 2069 0.0 0.2 2176 684 ? S References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Asif Iqbal wrote: >>> >>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>> >>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>> well, >>> short of writing a init script? You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From bsd at todoo.biz Tue Mar 10 19:07:26 2009 From: bsd at todoo.biz (bsd) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:07:26 +0100 Subject: Package security audit tools References: <5A7C15F4-273B-432F-B61D-9479C3A85A62@todoo.biz> Message-ID: Hello folks, I am looking for a package security audit tools similar to portaudit on FreeBSD. The portaudit gives daily feedback of port that are identified as "vulnerable". This allows a good sys admin to do his job and upgrade the ports / package that's vulnerable. Though I've been googling around for sometimes, I didn't find any valid answer so far… Thanks for your support. G.B. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail" From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 19:24:08 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:24:08 +0200 Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <49B681BB.8000007@gmail.com> References: <427379.39522.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00903100317w28f24b29x60617d11eaf7c993@mail.gmail.com> <49B681BB.8000007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903101224m64e7c7bdl4d45b8682b23759@mail.gmail.com> >> No he couldn't, he is already using up 11 MB in /. However, I do think >> that is the biggest that I've ever seen for an Ubuntu system. It's >> huge, and I cannot imagine it going any bigger, assuming that he is >> not storing user-data or virtual machines on the partition. >> > Say What??!! > > 11MB=>10GB   NOT!! I meant GB. A common typo. The keys are like right next to each other. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 19:27:19 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:27:19 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > aut0 eth1 try auto eth1 and gateway doesn't imply default gateway... From dhamaris at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 19:36:19 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:36:19 +0100 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() Message-ID: Hello, i recently installed OpenLDAP, using these commands: sudo aptitude install slapd sudo dpkg-reconfigure slapd sudo aptitude install ldap-utils phpldapadmin This is the message when i type /localhost/phpldapadmin in my web browser: Missing required extension Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. I already had installed (and working) PHP5 and Apache2. I have installed too php5-ldap library. When i look in my php5 features (using phpinfo() ) i don't see ldap anywhere! Does anybody know what i am doing wrong? Or what i am doing right, i suppose :S Than u for any help. Dámaris. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 19:48:27 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:48:27 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > Asif Iqbal wrote: > >>>> >>>>              ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>> >>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>> well, >>>> short of writing a init script? > > You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. > > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking > > Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >  was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email carefully. > > > > -- > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > quadraturae circuli > > Mark Haney > Sr. Systems Administrator > ERC Broadband > (828) 350-2415 > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 20:19:41 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:19:41 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: >> aut0 eth1 > > try auto eth1 *sigh* fixed > > and gateway doesn't imply default gateway... Oh ok. Then how did it decide to make `192.168.0.241' as the default gw? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 20:32:49 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:32:49 -0400 Subject: Package security audit tools In-Reply-To: References: <5A7C15F4-273B-432F-B61D-9479C3A85A62@todoo.biz> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, bsd wrote: > I am looking for a package security audit tools similar to portaudit > on FreeBSD. Although I know nothing about FreeBSD, it kinda sounds like apticron... ==> aptitude show apticron Package: apticron State: not installed Version: 1.1.20 Priority: extra Section: universe/admin Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers Uncompressed Size: 90.1k Depends: apt-listchanges (>= 2.59), mailx, debconf | debconf-2.0, iproute, apt (>= 0.6.8) Description: cron-script to mail impending apt updates apticron is a simple script to mail about impending apt updates such as security updates. If you need to schedule more complex APT tasks we recommend you use the (more complex) cron-apt tool. From msh at cmrl.wustl.edu Tue Mar 10 20:40:39 2009 From: msh at cmrl.wustl.edu (Hughes, Mike) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:40:39 -0500 Subject: What package provides libEMF for 64 bit version of Ubuntu 8.10? Message-ID: <43DABBF8B52F564BA4326BAC0D1D01FC51E196120B@DOMMAIL01.DOM.wustl.edu> What package provides libEMF for 64 bit version of Ubuntu 8.10? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 10 21:04:50 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:04:50 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com><49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney wrote: >> Asif Iqbal wrote: >> >>>>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>>> well, >>>>> short of writing a init script? >> You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. >> >> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking >> >> Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >> was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. > > So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to > survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email > carefully. > Really? Did you /read/ the link I sent you? Obviously not. Okay, well I'll hold your hand then. No, you do not need to write an init script for that. There are VERY FEW things that need that kind of expertise to do any more. This has been an option for a decade at least. Here's how you do it: # # File: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 # DEVICE=eth0 IPADDR=192.168.1.100 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 BOOTPROTO=static ONBOOT=yes ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" See the last line? (In case you missed that part, too.) That line passes the ethtool parms to the NIC at initialization time either at boot (as in the case of this one) or whenever you bring the interface up. I ask again nicely. Google this stuff first before you ask the list. We're hear to help /after/ you've done all the research you can do based on your knowledge level. We're not here to do it for you, we're here to help you learn it for yourself. Geez. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 21:23:37 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:23:37 -0400 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full Message-ID: I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full default setup up root at host:~# ethtool eth3 Settings for eth3: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Half Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: d Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) Link detected: yes changing it to 100/full from auto root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off right away the link light goes off and the interface stops working. root at host:~# ethtool eth3 Settings for eth3: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: Not reported Advertised auto-negotiation: No Speed: Unknown! (65535) Duplex: Unknown! (255) Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: off Supports Wake-on: d Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) Link detected: no to enable the link light back on and to make the interface operational I had to enable the auto negotiation root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 autoneg on root at host:~# ethtool eth3 Settings for eth3: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Half Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: d Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) Link detected: yes Any idea why it is behaving one second port but not on first port. It is a dual port card. Here is the relevant output from lspci -vvvv 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06) Subsystem: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Device 125e Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney > wrote: > > Asif Iqbal wrote: > > > >>>> > >>>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off > >>>> > >>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these > options, as > >>>> well, > >>>> short of writing a init script? > > > > You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. > > > > > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking > > > > Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that > > was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. > > So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to > survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email > carefully. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > > quadraturae circuli > > > > Mark Haney > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > ERC Broadband > > (828) 350-2415 > > > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > Asif Iqbal > PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > There you go my friend: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-add-ethtool-duplex-settings-permanent.html cheers, -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:56:04 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: Mark Haney wrote: > Asif Iqbal wrote: > >>>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>> >>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>> well, >>>> short of writing a init script? > > You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. > > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking > > Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that > was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. That wiki, though explains a bit about multiple routes, but it does not appear to a "debian way" of doing things. The files names on that wiki hint at being on a Redhat based system. To the OP Asif: The following link explains multiple IP addresses and uplinks on a Debian system (Ubuntu is Debian under the hoods): http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 Section 10.6.2 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html Pay special attention on Debian calls scripts by specifying them within the network configuration file. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 22:01:22 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903101501w4eb10d52y1cf22e2f7a5e67e0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > Missing required extension > Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support > Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. > Strange. apt should have installed php5-ldap > > I already had installed (and working) PHP5 and Apache2. I have installed > too php5-ldap library. When i look in my php5 features (using phpinfo() ) i > don't see ldap anywhere! > check /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, and /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ldap.ini Do you see something there? > > Does anybody know what i am doing wrong? 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In-Reply-To: <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903101505r74d9f995heb0291db35d7d99e@mail.gmail.com> Just another thought...You said you didn't have a graphicscard in the system. Maybe put one in and see how the system behaves ? 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison > Andy > > Tried that too. Also failed, but same message, but gave different MG cost. > > > > Had a very interesting response from Gigabyte. They told me to reset BIOS > to “load optimized default” They also said “Sorry, but we do not test our > motherboards with Linux so cannot guarantee suitability” > > > > This is very slow and painful. 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URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 10 22:26:48 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:48 -0700 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/10/2009 08:21 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Charles Howse wrote: >> Hi, >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. >> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > > Well, I don't know too much how to help - since your wheat might be > our chaff :-) > e.g. if you are not running a mail server some of that stuff is chaff > - but if you are, it's wheat. > It doesn't look that bad to me. > > ps -auxwwf is much more readable for me for that task, and shows association. > If it's in square brackets leave it alone :-) > > Brian > $ ps -auxwwf | more makes it easier to view/read via the terminal. Do you know of a way to get that to pipe to a text file? A simple pstree usually works for me: $ pstree -pah|more or you can pipe it to a text file to view: $ pstree -pah > pstree.txt $ gedit pstree.txt From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Tue Mar 10 22:36:01 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:36:01 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9a1d0$9751cdc0$c5f56940$@it> Thanks for these Lucio I'll try tomorrow.... I get the impression this is because Gigabyte do not test with Linux, and there is a bug in the Ubuntu SW. Seems that it has been there for ages, but not fixed, or a t least a Health warning against Gigabyte MBs. Can't believe their comments to me. They even tried to pass it on to AMD, as their problem. Not sure I'll buy another Gigabyte MB again. From richardkimber at btinternet.com Tue Mar 10 23:04:42 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:04:42 +0000 Subject: Firewall question [solved] In-Reply-To: References: <20090308154604.5e051ece@infinity.localnet> <20090308175649.3242b1ef@infinity.localnet> <20090309170638.6655fb5f@infinity.localnet> <1629625.fdg3P0Jspb@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090310132458.3e8cfb2d@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <20090310230442.119942a4@infinity.localnet> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:45 -0700 NoOp wrote: > Good catch! I just tried (on hardy); before enabling 'Traffic > Validation" in Advanced Options I could go to the website without any > problems. As soon as I enabled it, Firestarter blocked the IP address. > > Firestarter 1.0.3 on Hardy 8.04.2 - 2.6.24-24-generic. > > Do you have a link to the launchpad bug? Yes:- https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73570 - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 23:08:39 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:08:39 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > Asif Iqbal wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney wrote: >>> Asif Iqbal wrote: >>> >>>>>>              ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>>>> well, >>>>>> short of writing a init script? >>> You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. >>> >>> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking >>> >>> Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >>>  was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. >> >> So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to >> survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email >> carefully. >> > > Really? Did you /read/ the link I sent you?  Obviously not.  Okay, well Yes I did. /etc/sysconfig does not exist with ubuntu 8.10. > I'll hold your hand then.  No, you do not need to write an init script Please stay technical. I do not see a dir /etc/sysconfig in ubuntu 8.10. That may have added my confusion > for that.  There are VERY FEW things that need that kind of expertise to > do any more.  This has been an option for a decade at least.  Here's how > you do it: > > # > # File: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > # > DEVICE=eth0 > IPADDR=192.168.1.100 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > BOOTPROTO=static > ONBOOT=yes > ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" > > See the last line?  (In case you missed that part, too.) That line > passes the ethtool parms to the NIC at initialization time either at > boot (as in the case of this one) or whenever you bring the interface up. > > I ask again nicely.  Google this stuff first before you ask the list. > We're hear to help /after/ you've done all the research you can do based > on your knowledge level.  We're not here to do it for you, we're here to > help you learn it for yourself. Thanks for your help > > Geez. > > > > -- > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > quadraturae circuli > > Mark Haney > Sr. Systems Administrator > ERC Broadband > (828) 350-2415 > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 23:21:42 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:21:42 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Victor Padro wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney >> wrote: >> > Asif Iqbal wrote: >> > >> >>>> >> >>>>              ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >> >>>> >> >>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these >> >>>> options, as >> >>>> well, >> >>>> short of writing a init script? >> > >> > You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. >> > >> > >> > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking >> > >> > Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >> >  was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. >> >> So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to >> survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email >> carefully. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione >> > quadraturae circuli >> > >> > Mark Haney >> > Sr. Systems Administrator >> > ERC Broadband >> > (828) 350-2415 >> > >> > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support >> > >> > -- > > There you go my friend: > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-add-ethtool-duplex-settings-permanent.html That is exactly what I was referring to.. "...short of writing a init script?" in my original post Thanks Victor. > > cheers, > > -- > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente > servidas" > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 10 23:29:55 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:29:55 -0400 Subject: how to protect file using password In-Reply-To: <49B6667A.4060703@gmail.com> References: <713059.77345.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <49B6667A.4060703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B6F7F3.2000205@gatech.edu> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Every file has a owner. Every owner has a password. You check for the > owner with ls -al and it will give you something like this: > > karl at karl-hardy:~$ ls -al test -rw-r--r-- 1 karl karl 528 2008-08-11 > 16:40 test > > The -rw means read and write. The karl means user karl is the owner. I'm fairly certain the OP doesn't mean Unix permissions (which can be bypassed in a myriad of ways), Karl. Encryption methods worth looking at include cryptsetup-luks, gpg, and True Crypt. Matt Flaschen From dhamaris at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 23:38:44 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:38:44 +0100 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been looking for a solution, and i found out that had to uncomment a line in php.ini, in order to enable ldap libraries. I didn't found that line, but i wrote this command: extension = mod_ldap.so The problem maybe is the order in which i installed things. Who goes first? slapd? or apache and php? The last thing i did was to reinstall apache and php, because i don't find any ldap folder in php5 folder, that is a bad sign. Only have a ldap folder in /etc. Before re-installing apache2 and php5, when i put /localhost/phpldapadmin in the web browser, it showed me: *Missing required extension Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. *But now is even worse, because it shows: *The requested URL /phpldapadmin was not found on this server.* ------------------------------ *Apache/2.2.9 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch Server at localhost Port 80 Can anybody help me?? I'm quite lost. Thank u. Dámaris. * 2009/3/10 Dámaris Suárez Corrales > Hello, i recently installed OpenLDAP, using these commands: > > sudo aptitude install slapd > sudo dpkg-reconfigure slapd > sudo aptitude install ldap-utils phpldapadmin > > This is the message when i type /localhost/phpldapadmin in my web browser: > > Missing required extension > Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support > Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. > > I already had installed (and working) PHP5 and Apache2. I have installed > too php5-ldap library. When i look in my php5 features (using phpinfo() ) i > don't see ldap anywhere! > > Does anybody know what i am doing wrong? Or what i am doing right, i > suppose :S > > Than u for any help. > > Dámaris. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm full of it. man interfaces clearly says gateway = default gateway Sorry for bad info Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 23:54:44 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0400 Subject: adding gpg signatures to evolution In-Reply-To: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> References: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > I recently installed ubuntu 8.10, and am wanting to setup evolution to include a gpg signature. > > I generated my gpg key using gpg --key-gen. > When I do a gpg --list-keys, I see my key and can get the public id for the key. > > When I go into evolution and select edit -> prefferences -> mail accounts edit security tab, I put in my public key id and say I want to sign all outgoing messages. > > Now when I try to send a message, evolution says it cannot read the key. Any ideas why this would be, or how to get arround it? From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 23:56:28 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:56:28 -0400 Subject: adding gpg signatures to evolution In-Reply-To: References: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Don Raikes wrote: >> When I go into evolution and select edit -> prefferences -> mail accounts edit security tab, I put in my public key id and say I want to sign all outgoing messages. >> >> Now when I try to send a message, evolution says it cannot read the key. Any ideas why this would be, or how to get arround it? > What you did sounds right - what are the permissions on your .gnupg folder and keyfiles? It should be 700 and 600 respectively. If that's right then we'd have to look at the 'encryption and keyrings' app I guess Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 22:57:15 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:57:15 -0400 Subject: adding gpg signatures to evolution In-Reply-To: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> References: <164e88aa-d596-48ab-97ba-caf05abb190f@default> Message-ID: <1236725835.15872.0.camel@twinstar> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 20:40 +0000, Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > I recently installed ubuntu 8.10, and am wanting to setup evolution to include a gpg signature. > > I generated my gpg key using gpg --key-gen. > When I do a gpg --list-keys, I see my key and can get the public id for the key. > > When I go into evolution and select edit -> prefferences -> mail accounts edit security tab, I put in my public key id and say I want to sign all outgoing messages. > > Now when I try to send a message, evolution says it cannot read the key. Any ideas why this would be, or how to get arround it? Just to prove it works.... Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:04:33 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:04:33 -0200 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903101704x3e2426d3y67415aa88d7d01d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > Really? Did you /read/ the link I sent you? Obviously not. Call down please. Don't be so hard on the guy. > > # > # File: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > # > sysconfig what? You're on an Ubuntu list Mark. This' a Debian based distro. No sysconfig here. Don't confuse our friend Asif. > I ask again nicely. Google this stuff first before you ask the list. Yeah. Google knows it all, but what are these lists for then? If you don't feel like answering questions is your business, then don't reply. Ignore some messages and move on to the ones you find interesting. Regards, Norberto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 11 00:14:48 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:14:48 -0400 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: <49B70278.9010205@gatech.edu> John Conover wrote: > The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very > little disk space. There's no autoupgrade... You have to agree. > Was there something that was supposed to be > removed? If you really used the standard GUI upgrader, it should have removed unneeded packages automatically. If you're really missing a large amount of space, you can't beat good old du. Matt Flaschen From gregory at r3g.net Wed Mar 11 00:16:04 2009 From: gregory at r3g.net (Gregory Zill) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:16:04 -0500 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full Message-ID: <3e07c5fe0903101716w460484far222489dca208b267@mail.gmail.com> The two switches' respective ports connecting to the dual-port card may not be set identically, forced to the necessary 100/full, I suspect. > I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different > network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 > to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) > disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full -- Gregory W Zill, MBA, CISSP From vadud3 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:31:20 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:31:20 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM, H.S. wrote: > Mark Haney wrote: >> Asif Iqbal wrote: >> >>>>>              ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>>> well, >>>>> short of writing a init script? >> >> You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. >> >> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking >> >> Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >>  was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. > > That wiki, though explains a bit about multiple routes, but it does not > appear to a "debian way" of doing things. The files names on that wiki > hint at being on a Redhat based system. > > To the OP Asif: > The following link explains multiple IP addresses and uplinks on a > Debian system (Ubuntu is Debian under the hoods): > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 > Section 10.6.2 of > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html > > Pay special attention on Debian calls scripts by specifying them within > the network configuration file. Thanks for your help I also found out this file, comes with ubuntu distro, which has all my answers /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz Thanks all > > > Good luck. > > -- > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding > newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just > filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without > ever having been read. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From vadud3 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:33:38 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:38 -0400 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full In-Reply-To: <3e07c5fe0903101716w460484far222489dca208b267@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e07c5fe0903101716w460484far222489dca208b267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Gregory Zill wrote: > The two switches' respective ports connecting to the dual-port card > may not be set identically, forced to the necessary 100/full, I > suspect. > >> I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different >> network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 >> to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) >> disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full I had my network engr guy check that and they are both set to 100/full. That is why I think it is very odd > -- > > Gregory W Zill, MBA, CISSP > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Mar 11 02:31:32 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:31:32 -0600 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090310203132.7e7394be@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:48 -0700 NoOp wrote: > On 03/10/2009 08:21 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Charles Howse > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > >> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > > > > Well, I don't know too much how to help - since your wheat might be > > our chaff :-) > > e.g. if you are not running a mail server some of that stuff is > > chaff > > - but if you are, it's wheat. > > It doesn't look that bad to me. > > > > ps -auxwwf is much more readable for me for that task, and shows > > association. If it's in square brackets leave it alone :-) > > > > Brian > > > > $ ps -auxwwf | more > makes it easier to view/read via the terminal. Do you know of a way to > get that to pipe to a text file? > What I use when working with developers and filing bugs: $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt > A simple pstree usually works for me: > > $ pstree -pah|more > > or you can pipe it to a text file to view: > > $ pstree -pah > pstree.txt > $ gedit pstree.txt > > > > -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From chowse at charter.net Wed Mar 11 03:07:21 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:07:21 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <20090310203132.7e7394be@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090310203132.7e7394be@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > What I use when working with developers and filing bugs: > $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt I learned earlier today that ps doesn't want the dash before the options. It will work, but complains of bad syntax: $ ps auxwwf > ps.txt From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 02:11:15 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:11:15 -0600 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> <49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Victor Padro wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney > >> wrote: > >> > Asif Iqbal wrote: > >> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg > off > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these > >> >>>> options, as > >> >>>> well, > >> >>>> short of writing a init script? > >> > > >> > You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking > >> > > >> > Try to google these things before coming to the list with something > that > >> > was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. > >> > >> So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to > >> survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email > >> carefully. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > >> > quadraturae circuli > >> > > >> > Mark Haney > >> > Sr. Systems Administrator > >> > ERC Broadband > >> > (828) 350-2415 > >> > > >> > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > >> > > >> > -- > > > > There you go my friend: > > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-add-ethtool-duplex-settings-permanent.html > > That is exactly what I was referring to.. "...short of writing a init > script?" in my original post > > Thanks Victor. > > > > > > cheers, > > > > -- > > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o > mediocremente > > servidas" > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > Asif Iqbal > PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Don't mention it, did you already resolve the led going off? -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 02:13:18 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:13:18 -0200 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903101913y2ce8af0ci417f6b47325b6e3b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > > don't specify gw where it is not needed. The route is enough > > I commented out the gateway for the second interface. How do I add the > route command > so it survives the reboot, short of writing a init script? > I'm re-reading your emails and I don't understand what you are trying to do. You have to interfaces. On faces 192.168.0.0/30 and the other 192.168.1.0/30. 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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:03:48 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com><49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: Mark Haney wrote: > Asif Iqbal wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mark Haney wrote: >>> Asif Iqbal wrote: >>> >>>>>> ethtool -s speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way I can modify the interfaces file to stick these options, as >>>>>> well, >>>>>> short of writing a init script? >>> You know, it's amazing what a little trip to google will do. >>> >>> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking >>> >>> Try to google these things before coming to the list with something that >>> was answered a decade ago before there were GUIs for everything. >> So I do have to write init script for the speed and duplex setting to >> survive the reboot. That is what I suspected if you read my email >> carefully. >> > > Really? Did you /read/ the link I sent you? Obviously not. Okay, well > I'll hold your hand then. No, you do not need to write an init script > for that. There are VERY FEW things that need that kind of expertise to > do any more. This has been an option for a decade at least. Here's how > you do it: > > # > # File: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > # > DEVICE=eth0 > IPADDR=192.168.1.100 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > BOOTPROTO=static > ONBOOT=yes > ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" > > See the last line? (In case you missed that part, too.) That line > passes the ethtool parms to the NIC at initialization time either at > boot (as in the case of this one) or whenever you bring the interface up. Are you on a Redhat based system? If not, have you verified the above is valid on an Ubuntu system? Could you provide the URL that shows the above lines w.r.t. Ubuntu or Debian? > > I ask again nicely. Google this stuff first before you ask the list. > We're hear to help /after/ you've done all the research you can do based > on your knowledge level. We're not here to do it for you, we're here to > help you learn it for yourself. Please see my other post where I give some links to how to go about this stuff in Ubuntu (or in Debian based systems). You see, just google searching is not enough, as you have proved above. One has to search within the proper context which can be not obvious to a noobie. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From larissa.ardis at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 01:56:57 2009 From: larissa.ardis at gmail.com (Larissa Ardis) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 Message-ID: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> Hi, folks... I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in bright lighting conditions. Details: Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there more info that would help disgnose or fix this? Larissa From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 01:46:39 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:46:39 -0300 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM, John Conover wrote: > > The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very > little disk space. Was there something that was supposed to be > removed? > >        Thanks, > >        John > John Conover, conover at rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ I don't know why it happened but you can: $ sudo apt-get autoclean $ sudo apt-get autoremove remove old disposable kernels - (synaptic - search "linux") check the size of the log files in /var/log, if too big delete (after finding out why the overgrowth) and of course, remove unused applications. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 11 01:39:12 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:39:12 -0400 Subject: Laptop lockups Message-ID: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so even the network stack stopped responding. He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving 8.04 to 8.10? -Bart From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 04:05:18 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:05:18 -0300 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi, folks... > > I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control > backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all > times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker > with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in > bright lighting conditions. > > Details: > > Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there > more info that would help disgnose or fix this? > > Larissa I'm no laptop user but found out that: "Seanix is moving and website functionality will be down temporarily", which I guess means no support or maybe (778) 321-9290 - Technical Support :Techsupport at seanix.com - Office hours 8:30am - 5:30pm Pacific Standard Time, Mon-Fri - (Canada?) There's an applet in Gnome Panel that you may want to try: Right click upper panel // + Add to Panel // Brightness Applet L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 11 04:05:43 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi, folks... > > I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control > backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all > times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker > with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in > bright lighting conditions. > > Details: > > Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there > more info that would help disgnose or fix this? Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package says it's for nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It might be worth a shot. -- David Curtis From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 01:15:28 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:15:28 -0600 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different > network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 > to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) > disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full > > default setup up > > root at host:~# ethtool eth3 > Settings for eth3: > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Half > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 1 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: on > Supports Wake-on: d > Wake-on: d > Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) > Link detected: yes > > changing it to 100/full from auto > > root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off > > right away the link light goes off and the interface stops working. > > root at host:~# ethtool eth3 > Settings for eth3: > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: Not reported > Advertised auto-negotiation: No > Speed: Unknown! (65535) > Duplex: Unknown! (255) > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 1 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: off > Supports Wake-on: d > Wake-on: d > Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) > Link detected: no > > to enable the link light back on and to make the interface operational > I had to enable the auto negotiation > > root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 autoneg on > > > root at host:~# ethtool eth3 > Settings for eth3: > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Half > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 1 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: on > Supports Wake-on: d > Wake-on: d > Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) > Link detected: yes > > > Any idea why it is behaving one second port but not on first port. It > is a dual port card. > > Here is the relevant output from lspci -vvvv > > 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit > Ethernet Controller (rev 06) > Subsystem: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Device 125e > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- > SERR- Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 2299 > Region 0: Memory at fd8e0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] > Region 1: Memory at fd8c0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] > Region 2: I/O ports at 6c00 [size=32] > [virtual] Expansion ROM at fd700000 [disabled] [size=128K] > Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME- > Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ > Queue=0/0 Enable+ > Address: 00000000fee0300c Data: 41a9 > Capabilities: [e0] Express (v1) Endpoint, MSI 00 > DevCap: MaxPayload 256 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s > <512ns, L1 <64us > ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE- FLReset- > DevCtl: Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- > Unsupported- > RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ > MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes > DevSta: CorrErr- UncorrErr+ FatalErr- UnsuppReq+ AuxPwr+ > TransPend- > LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s, Latency > L0 <4us, L1 <64us > ClockPM- Suprise- LLActRep- BwNot- > LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- > CommClk- > ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt- > LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ > DLActive- > BWMgmt- ABWMgmt- > Kernel driver in use: e1000e > Kernel modules: e1000e > > 05:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit > Ethernet Controller (rev 06) > Subsystem: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Device 125e > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ > Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- > SERR- Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes > Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 2298 > Region 0: Memory at fd8a0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] > Region 1: Memory at fd880000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] > Region 2: I/O ports at 6800 [size=32] > [virtual] Expansion ROM at fd720000 [disabled] [size=128K] > Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 2 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME- > Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ > Queue=0/0 Enable+ > Address: 00000000fee0300c Data: 41d9 > Capabilities: [e0] Express (v1) Endpoint, MSI 00 > DevCap: MaxPayload 256 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s > <512ns, L1 <64us > ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE- FLReset- > DevCtl: Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- > Unsupported- > RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ > MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes > DevSta: CorrErr- UncorrErr+ FatalErr- UnsuppReq+ AuxPwr+ > TransPend- > LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s, Latency > L0 <4us, L1 <64us > ClockPM- Suprise- LLActRep- BwNot- > LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- > CommClk- > ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt- > LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ > DLActive- > BWMgmt- ABWMgmt- > Kernel driver in use: e1000e > Kernel modules: e1000e > > > -- > Asif Iqbal > PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Maybe silly questions, and bad english. When you change to "ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" the link just goes down forever? or is there any communication/activity between the eth3 and the gateway, internet, whatever after 2 or more minutes? if there isn't communication or even activity that's really odd...perhaps you're using a switch which only supports autoneg and not a fixed speed and duplex or maybe it's just misconfigured? I have an init.d script on my debian server(etch) and on my PC ubuntu(hardy) which runs everytime they boot up, and both NIC's leds(debian eth0 and eth1) turns off and then get back on in a couple minutes max. Ubuntu just does the same. Mine are Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller and my switch it's a managed 3com gigabit, configured for full duplex 1000Mbps. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 11 04:25:32 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:25:32 -0400 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <3ca17c950903101856p40e0684bx91476b4046bb3202@mail.gmail.com> <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <20090311002532.abeecc7f.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 David Curtis wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 > Larissa Ardis wrote: > > > Hi, folks... > > > > I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control > > backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all > > times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker > > with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in > > bright lighting conditions. > > > > Details: > > > > Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there > > more info that would help disgnose or fix this? > > Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package says it's for nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It might be worth a shot. > And of course that should be 'sudo apt-get install smartdimmer'. -- David Curtis From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 00:45:31 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:31 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: Message-ID: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> Charles Howse wrote: > Hi, > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > As Brian says, one person's wheat is another's chaff, but as near as I can tell, since you have pop3-login tasks under dovecot, you _are_ running a mail server and so the only unnecessary tasks you have are at least 5 of the 6 gettys - those are the consoles waiting for someone to login - and possibly proftpd. Since you're accessing the server from ssh, 1 console is probably enough (actually, one console is almost _always_ enough, but they take so few resources). And since you're accessing the server from ssh, you should have on-demand sftp, so if it's just you you don't really need proftpd, and if it's others you might prefer them to use sftp anyway (more secure). -- derek From Jeffreytooker at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 11 04:45:02 2009 From: Jeffreytooker at frontiernet.net (Jeffrey Tooker) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:02 -0700 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System Message-ID: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> I am running an Ubuntu XP dual drive system. When the system boots it comes up to the system choices. The Ubuntu options are listed first (8.04) Then the "Other System". In this case it is the XP Home Edition, which is on a separate drive. I would like to replace the XP drive and do a clean install of XP on the new drive. From what I can see of the boot sequence I should be able to remove the old XP drive and replace it with a new drive. I should then be able to start the system and go to the new disk and install the new XP program on the new disk. Is this correct or possible? Thank you. Jeffrey Tooker From fajarpri at arinet.org Wed Mar 11 05:32:06 2009 From: fajarpri at arinet.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:32:06 +0800 Subject: Laptop lockups In-Reply-To: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <574d6c740903102232t5943a691j8678137e0f8cd39b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > 8.04 to 8.10? Hi, In my case, it was 8.04 that locks up randomly like that. I suspect it compiz related. But, in 8.10 things are fairly fine (occasionally locks up only, screensaver related). From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:57:24 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:57:24 -0200 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903101757p5e2ad9fbpa6447239ba7a4dc7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM, John Conover wrote: > > The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very > little disk space. Was there something that was supposed to be > removed? > try sudo aptitude autoclean, or sudo aptitude clean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 18:24:45 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:24:45 -0600 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > >> 2009/3/10 Jonathan Harrison > >>> > >>> Huh, one step ahead of you... I feel proud of myself. > >>> > >>> Still does not work though. I actually took it down to JUST 1G. Done > >>> with and without the insertion of the iommu=noaperture > >>> > >>> Interestingly, I still get the 4G message! On the scripted install > (Esc > >>> at Ubuntu Menu)... I get > >>> > >>> Loading/install/vmlinuz.............................................. > >>> > >>> Loading/install/initrd.gz............................................ > >>> > >>> ..................................ready > >>> > >>> [ 0.004000] Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring. > >>> > >>> Then it just hangs on the next line > > > Seems that some GibaByte motherboards are prone to this kind of problem. > > Try disabling "USB Bios support" in BIOS > > /re: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271070 > > L. > > > -- > Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil > skype: lmnicolosi1 > Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W > Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > But appears to be a bug issue only installing Intrepid, not Hardy. Many users had Ubuntu 8.04 installed and upgraded to 8.10 and had this issue too. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963892 So again, I strongly recommend to install and stay with Hardy. Cheers -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:57:50 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:50 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > > > Had a very interesting response from Gigabyte.  They told me to reset BIOS > to “load optimized default”  They also said “Sorry, but we do not test our > motherboards with Linux so cannot guarantee suitability” I'll try to remember this the next time I assemble a computer: Gigabyte doesn't care... > This is very slow and painful.  Is there a faster way of communicating? First, try to exaust the searching abilities of Google or your preferred search engine, my few guesses were entirely based on this since I've never faced exactly this kind of problem, (but many have). Of course, there is Skype, Ekiga, Pidgin, etc. but: - This way the messages are exposed to many people so better help might be on the way. - There's the time zone problem, FI, it seems you are in Italy. - And last but not least, there might be a slight communication problem in this virtual Babel Tower. My Skype, for instance, doesn't have any check speeching feature enabled. L. - Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 11 09:35:42 2009 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Plasma starting crashing on launch Message-ID: <535948433.551881236764142619.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In the last 24 hours something happened to my 8.10 system running kde 4.2.1. Whenever I login I get an error that plasma has crashed. All I see is a blank desktop. I can run apps from krunner, but no panels, cashews, plasmoids or right-clicking. Backtrace shows nothing. Replacing ~/.kde doesn't help. Logging in as a different user doesn't help Has anyone else experienced this? Is it due to a rogue package upgrade? Any thoughts on fixing other than reinstalling 8.10? TIA Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <49B662EF.9050808@gmail.com> References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49B662EF.9050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> > The problem my be that your computer is not set up to boot from a > thumb drive. > Karl, this will not be the problem. If you read up the OP's mail, you will find he is using a netbook. I have yet to see a netbook that will not boot from USB. Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 11 10:18:27 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:18:27 +0100 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Jeffrey Tooker wrote: > I am running an Ubuntu XP dual drive system. When the system boots it > comes up to the system choices. The Ubuntu options are listed first > (8.04) Then the "Other System". In this case it is the XP Home > Edition, which is on a separate drive. I would like to replace the XP > drive and do a clean install of XP on the new drive. From what I can > see of the boot sequence I should be able to remove the old XP drive > and replace it with a new drive. I should then be able to start the > system and go to the new disk and install the new XP program on the new > disk. Is this correct or possible? Both, BUT with a BIG BUT: If you install windows on your existing system, it will recklessly overwrite your Linux bootmanager, i.e. grub, as far as grub resides in the bootloader of your bootdisk. Otherwise it will nevertheless take care that windows and just windows will boot after the XP installation. So you might save your grub grub bootloader before installing windows. Thus it will be easier to restore, after it has been overwritten. Eberhard From alain.muls at telenet.be Wed Mar 11 10:30:45 2009 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:30:45 +0100 Subject: Plasma starting crashing on launch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903111130.45910.alain.muls@telenet.be> On Wednesday 11 March 2009 11:14:53 ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In the last 24 hours something happened to my 8.10 system running kde > 4.2.1. Whenever I login I get an error that plasma has crashed. All I see > is a blank desktop. I can run apps from krunner, but no panels, cashews, > plasmoids or right-clicking. > > Backtrace shows nothing. Replacing ~/.kde doesn't help. Logging in as a > different user doesn't help > > Has anyone else experienced this? Is it due to a rogue package upgrade? > > Any thoughts on fixing other than reinstalling 8.10? Hi I reported this problem on the list, but up to now, I do not have _the_ solution. 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URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:30:41 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:41 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > > I didn't found that line, but i wrote this command: > > extension = mod_ldap.so maybe you want: extension = ldap.so > > The problem maybe is the order in which i installed things. Who goes first? slapd? or apache and php? There's no order. apt resolves dependencies. It sees you don't have php5-ldap and it installs it. > > Before re-installing apache2 and php5, when i put /localhost/phpldapadmin in the web browser, it showed me: > > Missing required extension > Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support > Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. > > But now is even worse, because it shows: > > The requested URL /phpldapadmin was not found on this server. There should be a link in /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpldapadmin to /etc/phpldapadmin/apache.conf If it is not there, try to make one. From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:32:38 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:32:38 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903101501w4eb10d52y1cf22e2f7a5e67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903110332v5cadb653y416d07bcfe0c6bde@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > check /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini  ---> ldap doesn't appears anywhere > >  /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ldap.ini --> i can't find  ldap.ini in conf.d > folder!!!! What version of Ubuntu do you have? > if i have to re-install everything, is there anything that must be installed > first?? nope > I have 3 versions of BerkeleyDB, and i don't delete any of them because it > will affect the entire system...could this be affecting the php5-ldap > installation?? i don't know From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:33:46 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:46 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903101501w4eb10d52y1cf22e2f7a5e67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903110333n54adf2e4gba79782fd8f72b53@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > It is possible that apache2 and openldap servers are in conflict?? I don't know. Typically, no. Have you installed them using apt? From vadud3 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 11:01:01 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:01:01 -0400 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Victor Padro wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: >> >> I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different >> network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 >> to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) >> disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full >> >> default setup up >> >> root at host:~# ethtool eth3 >> Settings for eth3: >>        Supported ports: [ TP ] >>        Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full >>                                100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full >>                                1000baseT/Full >>        Supports auto-negotiation: Yes >>        Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full >>                                100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full >>                                1000baseT/Full >>        Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes >>        Speed: 100Mb/s >>        Duplex: Half >>        Port: Twisted Pair >>        PHYAD: 1 >>        Transceiver: internal >>        Auto-negotiation: on >>        Supports Wake-on: d >>        Wake-on: d >>        Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) >>        Link detected: yes >> >> changing it to 100/full from auto >> >> root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off >> >> right away the link light goes off and the interface stops working. >> >> root at host:~# ethtool eth3 >> Settings for eth3: >>        Supported ports: [ TP ] >>        Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full >>                                100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full >>                                1000baseT/Full >>        Supports auto-negotiation: Yes >>        Advertised link modes:  Not reported >>        Advertised auto-negotiation: No >>        Speed: Unknown! (65535) >>        Duplex: Unknown! (255) >>        Port: Twisted Pair >>        PHYAD: 1 >>        Transceiver: internal >>        Auto-negotiation: off >>        Supports Wake-on: d >>        Wake-on: d >>        Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) >>        Link detected: no >> >> to enable the link light back on and to make the interface operational >> I had to enable the auto negotiation >> >> root at host:~# ethtool -s eth3 autoneg on >> >> >> root at host:~# ethtool eth3 >> Settings for eth3: >>        Supported ports: [ TP ] >>        Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full >>                                100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full >>                                1000baseT/Full >>        Supports auto-negotiation: Yes >>        Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full >>                                100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full >>                                1000baseT/Full >>        Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes >>        Speed: 100Mb/s >>        Duplex: Half >>        Port: Twisted Pair >>        PHYAD: 1 >>        Transceiver: internal >>        Auto-negotiation: on >>        Supports Wake-on: d >>        Wake-on: d >>        Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) >>        Link detected: yes >> >> >> Any idea why it is behaving one second port but not on first port. It >> is a dual port card. >> >> Here is the relevant output from lspci -vvvv >> >> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit >> Ethernet Controller (rev 06) >>        Subsystem: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Device 125e >>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- >> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ >>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- >> SERR- >        Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes >>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 2299 >>        Region 0: Memory at fd8e0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] >>        Region 1: Memory at fd8c0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] >>        Region 2: I/O ports at 6c00 [size=32] >>        [virtual] Expansion ROM at fd700000 [disabled] [size=128K] >>        Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 2 >>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA >> PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) >>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME- >>        Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ >> Queue=0/0 Enable+ >>                Address: 00000000fee0300c  Data: 41a9 >>        Capabilities: [e0] Express (v1) Endpoint, MSI 00 >>                DevCap: MaxPayload 256 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s >> <512ns, L1 <64us >>                        ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE- FLReset- >>                DevCtl: Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- >> Unsupported- >>                        RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ >>                        MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes >>                DevSta: CorrErr- UncorrErr+ FatalErr- UnsuppReq+ AuxPwr+ >> TransPend- >>                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s, Latency >> L0 <4us, L1 <64us >>                        ClockPM- Suprise- LLActRep- BwNot- >>                LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- >> CommClk- >>                        ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt- >>                LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ >> DLActive- >> BWMgmt- ABWMgmt- >>        Kernel driver in use: e1000e >>        Kernel modules: e1000e >> >> 05:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit >> Ethernet Controller (rev 06) >>        Subsystem: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Device 125e >>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- >> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ >>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- >> SERR- >        Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes >>        Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 2298 >>        Region 0: Memory at fd8a0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] >>        Region 1: Memory at fd880000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] >>        Region 2: I/O ports at 6800 [size=32] >>        [virtual] Expansion ROM at fd720000 [disabled] [size=128K] >>        Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 2 >>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA >> PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) >>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME- >>        Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ >> Queue=0/0 Enable+ >>                Address: 00000000fee0300c  Data: 41d9 >>        Capabilities: [e0] Express (v1) Endpoint, MSI 00 >>                DevCap: MaxPayload 256 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s >> <512ns, L1 <64us >>                        ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE- FLReset- >>                DevCtl: Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- >> Unsupported- >>                        RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ >>                        MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes >>                DevSta: CorrErr- UncorrErr+ FatalErr- UnsuppReq+ AuxPwr+ >> TransPend- >>                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s, Latency >> L0 <4us, L1 <64us >>                        ClockPM- Suprise- LLActRep- BwNot- >>                LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- >> CommClk- >>                        ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt- >>                LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x4, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ >> DLActive- >> BWMgmt- ABWMgmt- >>        Kernel driver in use: e1000e >>        Kernel modules: e1000e >> >> >> -- >> Asif Iqbal >> PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Maybe silly questions, and bad english. > > When you change to "ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" the > link just goes down forever? or is there any communication/activity between it has been like this for 5 mins. I had to switch it back to use it now > the eth3 and the gateway, internet, whatever after 2 or more minutes? > > if there isn't communication or even activity that's really odd...perhaps > you're using a switch which only supports autoneg and not a fixed speed and > duplex or maybe it's just misconfigured? > > I have an init.d script on my debian server(etch) and on my PC ubuntu(hardy) > which runs everytime they boot up, and both NIC's leds(debian eth0 and eth1) > turns off and then get back on in a couple minutes max. > Ubuntu just does the same. > Mine are Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller and my switch > it's a managed 3com gigabit, configured for full duplex 1000Mbps. > > > -- > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente > servidas" > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Wed Mar 11 11:05:55 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:05:55 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: <00eb01c9a239$596c11a0$0c4434e0$@it> Lucio Is there a faster way of communicating? Of course, there is Skype, Ekiga, Pidgin, etc. but: - This way the messages are exposed to many people so better help might be on the way. (I only get you and Andy responding. There are many other links I have found, but none have an answer. They seemed to just die, I presume used another SW. Talking of which, I noticed on one that someone downgraded to a lower version and it worked. NOT ideal, but if there is no BUG fix, needs must. I am going to summarize this - if we get a fix and put it in one reply with all the details for any other poor sucker who gets stuck. I have my doubts, to be honest, that it will be done. There doesn't seem to be any ownership). - There's the time zone problem, FI, it seems you are in Italy. (I'm actually in the UK. But by voice call or even IM could clear this up MUCH faster and with less frustration. Our TZs do overlap and I would do this quite late). - And last but not least, there might be a slight communication problem in this virtual Babel Tower. My Skype, for instance, doesn't have any check speeching feature enabled. (Might be worth a bash though) L. From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 11 11:47:45 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:47:45 -0400 Subject: Laptop lockups In-Reply-To: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49B7A4E1.2010806@roadrunner.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > 8.04 to 8.10? > > -Bart > wasnt a laptop, but I had exactly the same problem with a compaq desktop, about 3 years old. athlon xp3200 , 1 gig ram, never had problems til I used 8.10. thought it was running hot, added another case fan, still locked up. tried replacing power supply, still locked up. switched ram out, still locked up. checked capacitors for bulging, long shot with the newness, but didnt see anything worth reporting. all this over the period of maybe a couple months, waiting for possibly updates to cure an unseen problem. The box is now given to a computerless friend of my sons, running 8.04 and going strong! PS. that 11 yr old is loving linux. his mom says hes browsing synaptic every night looking for new games to download and play. I may have to pick him up a larger drive now! -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com http://budget-repair.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:54:30 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:30 -0400 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full In-Reply-To: References: <3e07c5fe0903101716w460484far222489dca208b267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Gregory Zill wrote: >> The two switches' respective ports connecting to the dual-port card >> may not be set identically, forced to the necessary 100/full, I >> suspect. >>> I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different >>> network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 >>> to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) >>> disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full > > I had my network engr guy check that and  they are both set to > 100/full. That is why > I think it is very odd Any chance you can reverse them and see if the behaviour follows the switch port/cables or the eth card ports? And/or try a new cable on a known good std switch or even a passing laptop etc.... Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:58:46 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:58:46 -0400 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Jeffrey Tooker wrote: >> I am running an Ubuntu XP dual drive system.  When the system boots it >> comes up to the system choices.  The Ubuntu options are listed first >> (8.04)  Then the "Other System".  In this case it is the XP Home >> Edition, which is on a separate drive.  I would like to replace the  XP >> drive and do a clean install of XP on the new drive.  From what I can >> see of the  boot sequence I should be able to remove the old XP drive >> and replace it with a new drive.  I should  then be able to start the >> system and go to the new disk and install the new XP program on the new >> disk.  Is this correct or possible? > > Both, BUT with a BIG BUT: > > If you install windows on your existing system, it will recklessly > overwrite your Linux bootmanager, i.e. grub, as far as grub resides in > the bootloader of your bootdisk. Otherwise it will nevertheless take > care that windows and just windows will boot after the XP installation. > > So you might save your grub grub bootloader before installing windows. > Thus it will be easier to restore, after it has been overwritten. It might be easier to just disconnect your linux drive, install XP on the new drive as the only drive present, then connect the linux drive back up. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:59:43 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:59:43 -0400 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> So you might save your grub grub bootloader before installing windows. >> Thus it will be easier to restore, after it has been overwritten. > > It might be easier to just disconnect your linux drive, install XP on > the new drive as the only drive present, then connect the linux drive > back up. But, hey - a backup is always a good idea :-) Do that too. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:00:25 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:00:25 -0400 Subject: error 22+linux and windows In-Reply-To: <828ae29b0903110242q3420d724wad5cb98a6edad373@mail.gmail.com> References: <828ae29b0903110242q3420d724wad5cb98a6edad373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Donny George wrote: > > Hello all > > I am faced with a problem where a system in my network shows the grub error > 22. i have read from the threads that i can use the windows recovery cd. but > does that mean i will loose the information on the linux partition. > > i also dont know the versions of the OS on the machine, is there any way to > find this out even when the computer boots up with the error 22 and nothing > more. Boot from a Live CD and see what's there.... Brian From chowse at charter.net Wed Mar 11 13:06:19 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:06:19 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <41E598A5-1D17-4EA7-B6C0-EC8B83B4634F@charter.net> On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Charles Howse wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. >> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? >> > > As Brian says, one person's wheat is another's chaff, but as near as > I can > tell, since you have pop3-login tasks under dovecot, you _are_ > running a > mail server and so the only unnecessary tasks you have are at least > 5 of > the 6 gettys - those are the consoles waiting for someone to login - > and > possibly proftpd. Since you're accessing the server from ssh, 1 > console is > probably enough (actually, one console is almost _always_ enough, > but they > take so few resources). And since you're accessing the server from > ssh, > you should have on-demand sftp, so if it's just you you don't really > need > proftpd, and if it's others you might prefer them to use sftp anyway > (more > secure). Thanks for the input Derek. I had completely forgotten about sftp! That's a great tip. I can uninstall ProFtpd now. Now, here's something I may have gone about all wrong. I use FreeBSD on my webserver, which comes with /usr/bin/mail by default. I use that and sendmail (installed by default) to send mail in scripts, and retrieve it from my Mac using a lightweight pop3 app called qpopper. I don't do *any* mail outside the box. Since 'mail' isn't installed by default, I installed mailutils, which installed Exim4. I read a little about Exim, couldn't find a howto to set it up as a pop server, so I installed Dovecot as a pop server (crazy hard for me). IIRC, sendmail wasn't difficult to set up to send local mail in FreeBSD, so I wonder if I could use sendmail in Intrepid, and uninstall Dovecot and Exim? Does that make sense? From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 12:19:47 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:47 -0300 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> <49B70278.9010205@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <3811682.pIg9f9UP0V@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > John Conover wrote: >> The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very >> little disk space. > > There's no autoupgrade... You have to agree. > >> Was there something that was supposed to be >> removed? > > If you really used the standard GUI upgrader, it should have removed > unneeded packages automatically. Really? I suspect it doesn't run an "apt-get clean" (I wouldn't notice, anyway: besides the fact that release upgrades only happen twice a year, I use apt-move to clean out the apt archive, weekly), so if you're really short on disk space, running that is always a good start. -- derek From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 13:55:43 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:55:43 -0400 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <49B7C2DF.6000905@tigershaunt.com> Jeffrey Tooker wrote: > I am running an Ubuntu XP dual drive system. When the system boots it > comes up to the system choices. The Ubuntu options are listed first > (8.04) Then the "Other System". In this case it is the XP Home > Edition, which is on a separate drive. I would like to replace the XP > drive and do a clean install of XP on the new drive. From what I can > see of the boot sequence I should be able to remove the old XP drive > and replace it with a new drive. I should then be able to start the > system and go to the new disk and install the new XP program on the new > disk. Is this correct or possible? > Yes, quite possible, however, I *strong* suggest you disconnect your Ubuntu drive when you install Windows. Then, after install, you can re-connect Ubuntu drive, tell your bios to boot from it, and everything should work as before. If it doesn't, you can use the BIOS to select which drive to boot from until you figure out what needs be changed in Grub. From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 11 13:57:38 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:57:38 +0100 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Brian McKee wrote: >>> Thus it will be easier to restore, after it has been overwritten. >> It might be easier to just disconnect your linux drive, install XP on >> the new drive as the only drive present, then connect the linux drive >> back up. > > But, hey - a backup is always a good idea :-) Do that too. > > Brian > Fully agreed. This will be the easiest solution, if you want to open your case. And although backup always is a good idea ;-), I cannot see, what to backup here. Windows per definition does not need backups ;-)) and Linux will be disconnected. Kind regards Eberhard From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 13:53:31 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:53:31 -0400 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > > As Brian says, one person's wheat is another's chaff, but as near as I can > tell, since you have pop3-login tasks under dovecot, you _are_ running a > mail server and so the only unnecessary tasks you have are at least 5 of > the 6 gettys - those are the consoles waiting for someone to login - and > possibly proftpd. Since you're accessing the server from ssh, 1 console is > probably enough (actually, one console is almost _always_ enough, but they > take so few resources). And since you're accessing the server from ssh, > you should have on-demand sftp, so if it's just you you don't really need > proftpd, and if it's others you might prefer them to use sftp anyway (more > secure). More encrypted does not necessarily mean more secure. If you are providing files for download publicly, or even password protected where data privacy is not really a mandate, then an ftp server might well be more secure than giving all your leechers system accounts. AFAIK, sftp only works if you give them shell access, which then needs to be managed accordingly. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:59:46 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:59:46 -0300 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00eb01c9a239$596c11a0$0c4434e0$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> <00eb01c9a239$596c11a0$0c4434e0$@it> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Harrison wrote: > Lucio > > Is there a faster way of communicating? > > Of course, there is Skype, Ekiga, Pidgin, etc. but: > > - This way the messages are exposed to many people so better help might be > on the way. (I only get you and Andy responding.  There are many other links > I have found, but none have an answer.  They seemed to just die, I presume > used another SW.  Talking of which, I noticed on one that someone downgraded > to a lower version and it worked.  NOT ideal, but if there is no BUG fix, > needs must.  I am going to summarize this - if we get a fix and put it in > one reply with all the details for any other poor sucker who gets stuck.  I > have my doubts, to be honest, that it will be done.  There doesn't seem to > be any ownership). > > - There's the time zone problem, FI, it seems you are in Italy. (I'm > actually in the UK. But by voice call or even IM could clear this up MUCH > faster and with less frustration.  Our TZs do overlap and I would do this > quite late). > > - And last but not least, there might be a slight communication problem in > this virtual Babel Tower. My Skype, for instance, doesn't have any check > speeching feature enabled. (Might be worth a bash though) > > L. UK, isn't it the land of Ubuntu? Kind of ironic... You can add my email on MSN or Gtalk, Skype me at "lmnicolosi1" as shown below or Yahoo "lmnicolosi". These links are kept open most of the time but of course I'm not available 24/7. Please try v. 8.04 as Victor suggested at a previous post. (It seems we're all shooting in the dark). Lucio -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From chowse at charter.net Wed Mar 11 14:09:51 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Rashkae wrote: > > More encrypted does not necessarily mean more secure. If you are > providing files for download publicly, or even password protected > where > data privacy is not really a mandate, then an ftp server might well be > more secure than giving all your leechers system accounts. AFAIK, > sftp > only works if you give them shell access, which then needs to be > managed > accordingly. Hi Rashkae, Not a problem, there's only one user on the system... your's truly. Also got the router denying any outside connections to that box. sftp is only for me to store files from the other boxes on the Ubuntu box. From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 11 14:18:43 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? Message-ID: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and get what I want? -- Chris Green From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 14:23:21 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:23:21 -0400 Subject: Network questions In-Reply-To: <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> References: <84250c9c0903091412nd80b8bdn18ceb4ccec3813bc@mail.gmail.com><49B6B9DE.4040403@ercbroadband.org> <49B6D5F2.4020607@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49B7C959.9010203@tigershaunt.com> Mark Haney wrote: > >> > > Really? Did you /read/ the link I sent you? Obviously not. Okay, well > I'll hold your hand then. No, you do not need to write an init script > for that. There are VERY FEW things that need that kind of expertise to > do any more. This has been an option for a decade at least. Here's how > you do it: > > # > # File: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > # > DEVICE=eth0 > IPADDR=192.168.1.100 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > BOOTPROTO=static > ONBOOT=yes > ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" > > See the last line? (In case you missed that part, too.) That line > passes the ethtool parms to the NIC at initialization time either at > boot (as in the case of this one) or whenever you bring the interface up. > > I ask again nicely. Google this stuff first before you ask the list. > We're hear to help /after/ you've done all the research you can do based > on your knowledge level. We're not here to do it for you, we're here to > help you learn it for yourself. > Before you get on your high horse and condescending, maybe you should read your own link. Those configuration files are RedHat/Fedora, not Ubuntu/Debian.. Oh,, that's right, aren't you the one who doesn't even use Ubuntu anymore? Well, that's ok, but maybe you should refrain from being rude to people here when you provide completely irrelevant links. From stephanos at writeme.com Wed Mar 11 14:25:52 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:25:52 +0000 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu Message-ID: <49B7C9F0.9010406@writeme.com> Dear All I am trying to bridge the gap between Windows and Ubuntu so as to keep the wife happy. My wife uses the default XP boot option. I am intending to boot Kubuntu and use this most of the time. I am able to use my XP programmes that I cannot get in Linux as I use a commercial tool called Win4Lin. It is best to have a wide screen monitor for this. I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) is available to me. I have from within Kubuntu made a folder and made a new file with content direct onto the xp partition. I have booted into xp read the file and added more content and booted into Kubuntu and seen the the added content available. Nice! But then I got ahead of myself. I realised that the e-mail boxes represented a particular problem. I did not want to copy the e-mail boxes for my three accounts into Linux because I thought I could do the following: make symbolic links from the e-mail boxes in xp to the place in Kubuntu where they should be. So (after making a new account in Thunderbird/Kubuntu) I did and hey presto all the folders appeared in Thunderbird. But of course that is not the end. This needed to be tested and all the logical tests you would think of doing, failed. Test 1) While in Kubuntu/Thunderbird receive a new e-mail into Inbox and reboot to XP to see if the new e-mail is there. It was received into the Inbox but after a reboot into xp it was not present. Test2) While in XP receive a new e-mail into Inbox and reboot to Kubuntu to see if the new e-mail is there. It was received into the Inbox but after a reboot into Kubuntu it was not present. Unperturbed and still believing I am Captain Kirk (the man who always had a plan to get out of trouble) I looked at the file properties and permissions. From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the individual e-mail boxes/files. From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly state that they are links and do not have permissions. Questions 1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? 2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can View & Modify? Any help appreciated Stephen From torbjorn at nextline.no Wed Mar 11 14:31:37 2009 From: torbjorn at nextline.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Thorsen_-_Nextline?=) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:37 +0100 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <49B7CB49.801@nextline.no> Rashkae wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> As Brian says, one person's wheat is another's chaff, but as near as I can >> tell, since you have pop3-login tasks under dovecot, you _are_ running a >> mail server and so the only unnecessary tasks you have are at least 5 of >> the 6 gettys - those are the consoles waiting for someone to login - and >> possibly proftpd. Since you're accessing the server from ssh, 1 console is >> probably enough (actually, one console is almost _always_ enough, but they >> take so few resources). And since you're accessing the server from ssh, >> you should have on-demand sftp, so if it's just you you don't really need >> proftpd, and if it's others you might prefer them to use sftp anyway (more >> secure). > > > More encrypted does not necessarily mean more secure. If you are > providing files for download publicly, or even password protected where > data privacy is not really a mandate, then an ftp server might well be > more secure than giving all your leechers system accounts. AFAIK, sftp > only works if you give them shell access, which then needs to be managed > accordingly. > I'm not sure that is quite correct. First, let's get it clear that "sftp" or "FTP over SSH" can mean quite a few things. There is at least two separate things going on: * SSH file transfer protocol[1] * Secure Copy (scp)[2] These are separate, but both use SSH as the underlying communication channel. I think Secure Copy is implemented in the sshd executable itself on the server side, the client is available as "scp" on most systems. On Ubuntu, using the openssh implementation, the "scp" uses Secure Copy, however, those Finnish guys[3] also distribute a "scp" executable that actually uses SSH file transfer protocol instead. SSH file transfer protocol (sftp) is the bigger of the two, and a stronger analog to "Classical FTP". It has a conversation with the server, enabling things directory listings, deleting and other filesystem-like actions. When using a FTP-like client, say "sftp" or FileZilla, this is the protocol that is in use. In the openssh implementation, "sftp" is implemented in a subsystem, with its own executable. By taking a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config, you can even find the line Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server stating that sftp-server is the executable that implements the SFTP protocol. So, there are two different things here, and having them supported in a "anonymous FTP"-like fashion is not straight forward. You can quite easily restrict users to use only SFTP, but that renders Secure Copy unusable. If you are to support both of these protocols, I think you need to use an alternative shell, like rssh[4]. This is packaged for Ubuntu on my 8.10 system, so utilizing that doesn't seem to bad to hard. All in all, I recommend both the article and the comments in this[5] article from debian-administration.org. Another thing to think about, as one commenter points out, is that SSH can do a lot of stuff by default, like making network tunnels and forwarding ports. With great power comes great responsibility, as they say .. -- Torbjørn [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy [3]: http://www.ssh.com/ [4]: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/index.shtml [5]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 14:31:52 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:31:52 -0400 Subject: Replacing A HDD in a Dual Drive System In-Reply-To: References: <49B741CE.1010309@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <49B7CB58.1060805@tigershaunt.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> > Fully agreed. This will be the easiest solution, if you want to open > your case. > If you want to open your case? I have to admit, 'psychic surgery' wasn't really something I considered for the hard drive replacement procedure that spawned this thread in the first place :) From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Mar 11 14:42:35 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:42:35 -0600 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 Chris G wrote: > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > get what I want? > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Tue Mar 10 16:32:07 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:32:07 +0000 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B69607.6090806@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, Charles Howse wrote: > Hi, > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? Exactly what processes do you think are superfluous ? I don't see anything there I wouldn't expect to see ... That said, what you expect depends entirely on what you want this machine to do ? Is it a web server, an NFS server, Samba server etc... Do you want ssh access or not. etc. etc. I would suggest better than just randomly looking at processes, to look at the services you have running and disable those you know you don't need. cheers Chris > > > top - 06:18:40 up 1 day, 13:19, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.21, 0.15 > Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 1.4%us, 4.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.0%id, 0.1%wa, 0.2%hi, > 1.3%si, 0.0%st > Mem: 254716k total, 237116k used, 17600k free, 10456k buffers > Swap: 393552k total, 4660k used, 388892k free, 193432k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 13029 charles 20 0 2284 964 764 R 7.2 0.4 0:00.10 top > 1 root 20 0 2944 1860 544 S 0.0 0.7 0:13.98 init > 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd > 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 > 4 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.66 ksoftirqd/0 > 5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 > 6 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.76 events/0 > 7 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.24 khelper > 46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > kintegrityd/0 > 48 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.08 kblockd/0 > 69 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cqueue > 73 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kseriod > 115 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:43.12 pdflush > 116 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 6:50.68 pdflush > 117 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:01.47 kswapd0 > 162 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0 > 1029 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > ksuspend_usbd > 1031 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd > 1073 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/0 > 1075 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux > 1090 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_0 > 1092 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_1 > 1919 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:11.16 kjournald > 2069 root 16 -4 2176 684 392 S 0.0 0.3 0:04.12 udevd > 3272 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:17.16 kjournald > 3273 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:57.72 kjournald > 3623 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3625 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3633 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3637 root 20 0 1668 500 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3638 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3676 syslog 20 0 1884 696 540 S 0.0 0.3 0:02.54 syslogd > 3694 root 20 0 1824 528 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.66 dd > 3696 klog 20 0 3136 1984 420 S 0.0 0.8 0:01.82 klogd > 3714 messageb 20 0 2508 784 588 S 0.0 0.3 0:05.52 dbus-daemon > 3745 root 20 0 2052 668 524 S 0.0 0.3 0:14.38 dovecot > 3747 root 20 0 9396 2356 1796 S 0.0 0.9 0:05.68 dovecot-auth > 3771 daemon 20 0 1940 444 316 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 atd > 3796 root 20 0 3284 1016 804 S 0.0 0.4 0:01.32 cron > 3806 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3811 root 20 0 16076 2500 1596 S 0.0 1.0 0:17.69 console- > kit-dae > 5754 proftpd 20 0 5052 1432 616 S 0.0 0.6 0:05.18 proftpd > 5856 root 20 0 5180 1052 664 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.02 sshd > 11691 root 20 0 8204 2812 2256 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.58 sshd > 11698 charles 20 0 8340 1560 984 S 0.0 0.6 0:01.86 sshd > 11699 charles 20 0 5472 2928 1424 S 0.0 1.1 0:02.08 bash > 12220 root 20 0 9396 2384 1852 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.22 dovecot- > auth > 12222 dovecot 20 0 3424 1556 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 12623 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 12994 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 13018 charles 20 0 4248 1496 1056 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.10 > daily_report.sh > > > -- > Thanks, > Charles > > Things that make you say, Hmmmmmm... > How can someone be dirt poor, and another be filthy rich? > > > > From crp at cmc.net Tue Mar 10 16:41:45 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:41:45 -0700 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> Mark Haney wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > >> Knowing of the problems some folks have been having with Charter, I >> would bet on the problem lying on their end. Knowing, also, of their >> lack of care for their customers, I doubt it will be easy to get them >> to respond/fix. >> >> Cybe R. Wizard >> > > I certainly do agree with that assessment. But, the OP wanted ideas on > how to diagnose and so I offered some, and, possibly, a way to get > around the problem. I've seen where using local sendmail with Charter > sometimes fixes issues with them. > Hello, I routinely get bounce messages from Charter.com when emailing a friend of mine in Texas, but she always gets the messages anyway. I've emailed the contact address listed for Charter in the bounce messages a couple of times explaining the problem, but have to date not received a reply from them, or seen a fix for the problem occur. Just one of those annoying things that happen with some isp's. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From 4030man at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:48:15 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:48:15 -0700 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: <49B699CF.5020604@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > > > Andy > > Tried that too. Also failed, but same message, but gave different MG cost. > > > > Had a very interesting response from Gigabyte. They told me to reset > BIOS to “load optimized default” They also said “Sorry, but we do not > test our motherboards with Linux so cannot guarantee suitability” > > > > This is very slow and painful. Is there a faster way of communicating? > Jonathan Are you booting from a CD or DVD? If a DVD, check to see if there is a kernel with the pae (physical address extension) flag on the DVD. If so select it to install. This allows the kernel to use all of the memory the MB supports. Most or (all) MB's have a limitation of 3.25 =/- a couple of of bytes. hth nolan From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 10 17:15:16 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903100317w28f24b29x60617d11eaf7c993@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307053.70820.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: > From: Dotan Cohen > Subject: Re: Reinstallation / Migration HOWTO? > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 5:17 AM > > You could easily get by with a 10 GB / partition using > a > > separate /home & /swap partition. On my ubuntus, / > is > > only about 6 GB in size. > > > > No he couldn't, he is already using up 11 MB in /. > However, I do think > that is the biggest that I've ever seen for an Ubuntu > system. It's > huge, and I cannot imagine it going any bigger, assuming > that he is > not storing user-data or virtual machines on the partition. > > You did see his reply to mine and my reply to him. He's installing a lot more ubuntu programs than normal as he wants the kitchen sink on that machine. I have 1767 programs installed and he wants about 900 or so more out of a total of 26204 available. One could fill up a drive using all the available programs but who would. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:21:29 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:29 -0600 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Harrison < jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it> wrote: > Andy > > Tried that too. Also failed, but same message, but gave different MG cost. > > > > Had a very interesting response from Gigabyte. They told me to reset BIOS > to “load optimized default” They also said “Sorry, but we do not test our > motherboards with Linux so cannot guarantee suitability” > > > > This is very slow and painful. Is there a faster way of communicating? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Do you have the same results using Ubuntu 8.04? Have you upgraded the BIOS? Have you tried using the Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate CD? I know you want a server, but it's just to be sure everything goes ok using Ubuntu 8.10 with an alternate install Did you checked you MD5 checksum? Would it be possible to run a memtest? If you are trying to setup a server, my personal opinion will be to use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS(Long Term Support) I have an Asus and an ECS motherboards using the same or similar configuration as yours and never had that issue(of course I have upgraded the BIOS to the latest version in all of them) and used external graphics card(PCI-e) on one of them. Mine are: 4x2GB Kingston RAM 667 & 800Mhz AMD Athlon 64 x2 4800+ & 5500+ ECS A770M-A & Asus M2N-VM HDMI using Ubuntu 8.04 Server & CentOS 5.2 Hope it helps. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diesch at spamfence.net Tue Mar 10 17:24:58 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:24:58 +0100 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: (Charles Howse's message of "Tue\, 10 Mar 2009 08\:12\:52 -0500") References: Message-ID: <878wnd47f9.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Charles Howse wrote: > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. I don't see anything uncommon for a server. You could reduce the number of pop3-login processes (login_processes_count in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf) if you have very few POP3 users or the number of active consoles (ACTIVE_CONSOLES in /etc/default/console-setup) if you don't need 6 consoles. But as your machine doesn't seem to be busy and most RAM is unused (or used for file caching) I don't see much reason for that. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > > top - 06:18:40 up 1 day, 13:19, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.21, 0.15 > Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 1.4%us, 4.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.0%id, 0.1%wa, 0.2%hi, > 1.3%si, 0.0%st > Mem: 254716k total, 237116k used, 17600k free, 10456k buffers > Swap: 393552k total, 4660k used, 388892k free, 193432k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 13029 charles 20 0 2284 964 764 R 7.2 0.4 0:00.10 top > 1 root 20 0 2944 1860 544 S 0.0 0.7 0:13.98 init > 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd > 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 > 4 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.66 ksoftirqd/0 > 5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 > 6 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.76 events/0 > 7 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.24 khelper > 46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > kintegrityd/0 > 48 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.08 kblockd/0 > 69 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cqueue > 73 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kseriod > 115 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:43.12 pdflush > 116 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 6:50.68 pdflush > 117 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:01.47 kswapd0 > 162 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0 > 1029 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > ksuspend_usbd > 1031 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd > 1073 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/0 > 1075 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux > 1090 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_0 > 1092 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_1 > 1919 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:11.16 kjournald > 2069 root 16 -4 2176 684 392 S 0.0 0.3 0:04.12 udevd > 3272 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:17.16 kjournald > 3273 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:57.72 kjournald > 3623 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3625 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3633 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3637 root 20 0 1668 500 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3638 root 20 0 1668 496 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3676 syslog 20 0 1884 696 540 S 0.0 0.3 0:02.54 syslogd > 3694 root 20 0 1824 528 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.66 dd > 3696 klog 20 0 3136 1984 420 S 0.0 0.8 0:01.82 klogd > 3714 messageb 20 0 2508 784 588 S 0.0 0.3 0:05.52 dbus-daemon > 3745 root 20 0 2052 668 524 S 0.0 0.3 0:14.38 dovecot > 3747 root 20 0 9396 2356 1796 S 0.0 0.9 0:05.68 dovecot-auth > 3771 daemon 20 0 1940 444 316 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 atd > 3796 root 20 0 3284 1016 804 S 0.0 0.4 0:01.32 cron > 3806 root 20 0 1668 504 436 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 getty > 3811 root 20 0 16076 2500 1596 S 0.0 1.0 0:17.69 console- > kit-dae > 5754 proftpd 20 0 5052 1432 616 S 0.0 0.6 0:05.18 proftpd > 5856 root 20 0 5180 1052 664 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.02 sshd > 11691 root 20 0 8204 2812 2256 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.58 sshd > 11698 charles 20 0 8340 1560 984 S 0.0 0.6 0:01.86 sshd > 11699 charles 20 0 5472 2928 1424 S 0.0 1.1 0:02.08 bash > 12220 root 20 0 9396 2384 1852 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.22 dovecot- > auth > 12222 dovecot 20 0 3424 1556 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 12623 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 12994 dovecot 20 0 3424 1552 1288 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.06 pop3-login > 13018 charles 20 0 4248 1496 1056 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.10 > daily_report.sh Florian -- From bsd at todoo.biz Tue Mar 10 17:25:27 2009 From: bsd at todoo.biz (bsd) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:25:27 +0100 Subject: Package security audit tools Message-ID: <5A7C15F4-273B-432F-B61D-9479C3A85A62@todoo.biz> Hello folks, I am looking for a package security audit tools similar to portaudit on FreeBSD. The portaudit gives daily feedback of port that are identified as "vulnerable". This allows a good sys admin to do his job and upgrade the ports / package that's vulnerable. Though I've been googling around for sometimes, I didn't find any valid answer so far… Thanks for your support. G.B. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail" From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 10 17:29:57 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:29:57 -0400 Subject: Laptop locks up Message-ID: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so even the network stack stopped responding. He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving 8.04 to 8.10? -Bart From galas_86 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:49:01 2009 From: galas_86 at hotmail.com (galas@ hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:49:01 +0000 Subject: mysql in Ubuntu 8.04 hardy Message-ID: i havent internet in mi home and need install the mysql-server and mysql-client; now check in my CD UBUNTU 8.04 hardy (CANONICAL) and i dont see the pack of mysql.. need a solution, thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Wed Mar 11 11:11:26 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:11:26 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: <00ec01c9a23a$1f0899b0$5d19cd10$@it> Done all that stuff. Changed USB BIOS settings again and went through all the commands again. Only not tried putting in a Video card (I do not have a spare), I did however change BIOS setting to force on MB Video chipset. That too did not work. What next? The only thing I have seen, and am about to try is down grading to a lower version of Ubuntu. I still think this is a BUG with predominantly Gigabyte MB, probably because they do not test with Linux OS. From dhamaris at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 11:17:05 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:17:05 +0100 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have 8.10 version of Ubuntu. I just modify the line in php.ini for the one you told me: extension = ldap.so what i am supposed to do then? > There should be a link in /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpldapadmin to > /etc/phpldapadmin/apache.conf > If it is not there, try to make one. /etc/apache2/conf.d only contains 2 files: charset and security. Nothing of phpldapadmin. How do i try to make one link? Have i to create a file a name it phpldapadmin? How do i create a link in that case? :S This is the contain of file /etc/phpldapadmin/apache.conf : # Define /phpldapadmin alias, this is the default Alias /phpldapadmin /usr/share/phpldapadmin/htdocs # You can also use phpLDAPadmin as a VirtualHost # # ServerName ldap.example.com # ServerAdmin root at example.com # DocumentRoot /usr/share/phpldapadmin # ErrorLog logs/ldap.example.com-error.log # CustomLog logs/ldap.example.com-access.log common # DirectoryIndex index.php Options +FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all AddType application/x-httpd-php .php php_flag magic_quotes_gpc Off php_flag track_vars On php_flag register_globals On php_value include_path . AddType application/x-httpd-php .php Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php5 AddType application/x-httpd-php .php Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php5 I'm quite lost... :S Thank u Norberto, Dámaris. 2009/3/11 Norberto Bensa > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales > wrote: > > > > I didn't found that line, but i wrote this command: > > > > extension = mod_ldap.so > > > maybe you want: extension = ldap.so > > > > > The problem maybe is the order in which i installed things. Who goes > first? slapd? or apache and php? > > There's no order. apt resolves dependencies. It sees you don't have > php5-ldap and it installs it. > > > > > Before re-installing apache2 and php5, when i put /localhost/phpldapadmin > in the web browser, it showed me: > > > > Missing required extension > > Your install of PHP appears to be missing LDAP support > > Please install LDAP support before using phpLDAPadmin. > > > > But now is even worse, because it shows: > > > > The requested URL /phpldapadmin was not found on this server. > > There should be a link in /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpldapadmin to > /etc/phpldapadmin/apache.conf > > If it is not there, try to make one. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 13:45:29 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:45:29 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903101501w4eb10d52y1cf22e2f7a5e67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903110645w2c53f2e7qce20f8f8657938f9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > The requested URL /phpldapadmin was not found on this server. Try aptiture reinstall phpldapadmin From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 13:47:30 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:47:30 -0400 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> NoOp wrote: > > $ ps -auxwwf | more > makes it easier to view/read via the terminal. Do you know of a way to > get that to pipe to a text file? > I'm sorry, this confuses me. It looks like your asking how to re-direct to a file, but my brain grinds to a halt because: 1. who you are. 2. you answer the question yourself next paragraph down. > A simple pstree usually works for me: > > $ pstree -pah|more > > or you can pipe it to a text file to view: > > $ pstree -pah > pstree.txt > $ gedit pstree.txt > > > > From cl at isbd.net Wed Mar 11 15:24:01 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:24:01 +0000 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090311152401.GB9820@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:42:35AM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > > > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > > get what I want? > > > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. > It's not available for 64-bit Ubuntu which I'm running (I think I put it in the subject). -- Chris Green From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 15:27:04 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:27:04 -0600 Subject: intel card one interface goes offline if forcing to 100/full In-Reply-To: References: <3e07c5fe0903101716w460484far222489dca208b267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Gregory Zill wrote: > >> The two switches' respective ports connecting to the dual-port card > >> may not be set identically, forced to the necessary 100/full, I > >> suspect. > > >>> I noticed my intel card has two port connected to two different > >>> network through two different switches. I were able to force the eth2 > >>> to 100/full using ethtool. However eth3 (the second interface) > >>> disables as shown in `Link detected:' when forcing it to 100/full > > > > I had my network engr guy check that and they are both set to > > 100/full. That is why > > I think it is very odd > > Any chance you can reverse them and see if the behaviour follows the > switch port/cables or the eth card ports? > > And/or try a new cable on a known good std switch or even a passing > laptop etc.... > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Have you plugged the cable to the switch which runs the command correctly? I mean plug the cord into the switch which eth0 and eth1 are plugged in and type in terminal "ethtool -s eth3 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" and see what happens. cheers -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at chaos-dragon.com Wed Mar 11 15:33:47 2009 From: scott at chaos-dragon.com (Sylphid) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:33:47 -0500 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49B7D9DB.20404@chaos-dragon.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > >> I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on >> Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but >> there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. >> >> Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in >> Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and >> get what I want? >> > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. > > > I believe what Chris is referring to is that the sun-java6-plugin package for the amd64 platform was recently added to the jaunty repos but has not been back-ported yet. Sun has only released a 64bit version recently, and us 64bit users have been using Icedtea as a replacement. From dhamaris at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 15:49:24 2009 From: dhamaris at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1maris_Su=E1rez_Corrales?=) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:49:24 +0100 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *Fixed!!!!* i think it was the changing of extension = mod_ldap.so for extension = ldap.so //this made possible for a php program to connect to a ldap server But i'm not sure (it is not the first time ubuntu get fixed alone) And the only thing i had to do was link phpldapadmin to apache2 server, putting this line: >ln -s /usr/share/phpldapadmin/ /var/www/ Thank u!!! Regards, Dámaris. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 15:21:28 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:21:28 -0300 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu References: <49B7C9F0.9010406@writeme.com> Message-ID: <1561868.L7lxbmAgvd@cedar.serverforest.com> Stephen Constantinou wrote: > Unperturbed and still believing I am Captain Kirk (the man who always > had a plan to get out of trouble) I looked at the file properties and > permissions. Please, first set all phasers on "stun" - we don't want anyone to get hurt :-) > From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by > root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the > individual e-mail boxes/files. > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is > owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group > and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly > state that they are links and do not have permissions. Please send the output from "ls -l", rather than telling us - that doesn't make sense to me and I suspect you're actually giving us the permission of the symbolic link at some point (which is essentially meaningless). > > Questions > 1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? It's certainly possible. > 2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can > View & Modify? No. -- derek From ender8282 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 16:08:23 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:08:23 -0700 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49B7E1F7.5010801@yahoo.com> Chris G wrote: > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > get what I want? > > Are you looking for the 32 bit version or the 64 bit version? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 15:36:01 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:36:01 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> <49B7C25B.4080505@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <21719656.AtZonrnhvF@cedar.serverforest.com> Rashkae wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> And since you're accessing the server from ssh, >> you should have on-demand sftp, so if it's just you you don't really need >> proftpd, and if it's others you might prefer them to use sftp anyway >> (more secure). > > > More encrypted does not necessarily mean more secure. If you are > providing files for download publicly, or even password protected where > data privacy is not really a mandate, then an ftp server might well be > more secure than giving all your leechers system accounts. AFAIK, sftp > only works if you give them shell access, which then needs to be managed > accordingly. No, that's "fish" that requires shell access. An account could be restricted to only having sftp access - but I agree there are cases where a full ftp server is better (and most servers can be restricted to sftp too if that's what you want). -- derek From walton at vyper.hopto.org Wed Mar 11 16:34:01 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:34:01 -0600 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49B7C9F0.9010406@writeme.com> References: <49B7C9F0.9010406@writeme.com> Message-ID: <002901c9a267$38194080$a84bc180$@hopto.org> So, first off let me apologize for not answering your question directly, as I simply don't know the answer :-). As soon as you mentioned your approach, I suspected that Linux and Windows versions of thunderbird may not have interchangeable mailboxes, but I can't tell you how they differ or if there's anything you can do about it. I can however tell you my approach to the same problem. IMAP. Using IMAP instead of POP, lets your messages and their status be stored on the server as well as your PC, so, unlike POP, when my windows box downloads it and reads it, it's still there when I check my e-mail on my Linux box (and even marked as read!). For the e-mail accounts that offer IMAP, I highly recommend it. If you have any that don't, you can set up a gmail account to check those addresses and file them in a separate folder. Gmail can even spoof the other e-mail address when replying to e-mails sent to that address. I hope this helps. I know it's not what your shooting for, but it's my approach to the same problem. Walton -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Constantinou Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:26 AM To: Ubuntu E-Mail List Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu Dear All I am trying to bridge the gap between Windows and Ubuntu so as to keep the wife happy. My wife uses the default XP boot option. I am intending to boot Kubuntu and use this most of the time. I am able to use my XP programmes that I cannot get in Linux as I use a commercial tool called Win4Lin. It is best to have a wide screen monitor for this. I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) is available to me. I have from within Kubuntu made a folder and made a new file with content direct onto the xp partition. I have booted into xp read the file and added more content and booted into Kubuntu and seen the the added content available. Nice! But then I got ahead of myself. I realised that the e-mail boxes represented a particular problem. I did not want to copy the e-mail boxes for my three accounts into Linux because I thought I could do the following: make symbolic links from the e-mail boxes in xp to the place in Kubuntu where they should be. So (after making a new account in Thunderbird/Kubuntu) I did and hey presto all the folders appeared in Thunderbird. But of course that is not the end. This needed to be tested and all the logical tests you would think of doing, failed. Test 1) While in Kubuntu/Thunderbird receive a new e-mail into Inbox and reboot to XP to see if the new e-mail is there. It was received into the Inbox but after a reboot into xp it was not present. Test2) While in XP receive a new e-mail into Inbox and reboot to Kubuntu to see if the new e-mail is there. It was received into the Inbox but after a reboot into Kubuntu it was not present. Unperturbed and still believing I am Captain Kirk (the man who always had a plan to get out of trouble) I looked at the file properties and permissions. From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the individual e-mail boxes/files. From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly state that they are links and do not have permissions. Questions 1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? 2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can View & Modify? Any help appreciated Stephen -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 15:23:59 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:59 -0300 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1878697.IqZWkT6LaF@cedar.serverforest.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > >> I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on >> Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but >> there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. >> >> Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in >> Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and >> get what I want? >> > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. (and sun-java6-bin) If this is the same problem I recall from a day or two ago, he has forgotten to mention that it's a 64-bit system, which may make a difference. That said, the worst that can happen if you install the Jaunty version is that it won't work. Give it a shot, you can always uninstall it. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 15:33:07 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:33:07 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <1308787.DLunEUV22k@cedar.serverforest.com> <41E598A5-1D17-4EA7-B6C0-EC8B83B4634F@charter.net> Message-ID: <25262177.CsoXuXVq3b@cedar.serverforest.com> Charles Howse wrote: > Now, here's something I may have gone about all wrong. I use FreeBSD > on my webserver, which comes with /usr/bin/mail by default. I use > that and sendmail (installed by default) to send mail in scripts, and > retrieve it from my Mac using a lightweight pop3 app called qpopper. > I don't do *any* mail outside the box. > Since 'mail' isn't installed by default, I installed mailutils, which > installed Exim4. I read a little about Exim, couldn't find a howto to > set it up as a pop server, so I installed Dovecot as a pop server > (crazy hard for me). > IIRC, sendmail wasn't difficult to set up to send local mail in > FreeBSD, so I wonder if I could use sendmail in Intrepid, and > uninstall Dovecot and Exim? > Does that make sense? No. Sendmail doesn't provide a pop server either. Sendmail/Exim/Postfix are smtp servers. dovecot is probably the simplest pop server you'll find. I _hate_ sendmail with a passion, but if you're already using it on another server, that's probably the way to go. dovecot doesn't want Exim, it wants "mail-transport-agent" which is automatically satisfied by installing Exim if you have nothing else providing it. I use masqmail, many use postfix. If you want to use sendmail, you can just install it and exim will get automatically removed. -- derek From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 17:25:38 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:25:38 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier Message-ID: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Several times I've run into a similar scenario: I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", find it, then install it. I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the application. Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full path to an executable. There's a disconnect here. Either the applications menu needs to provide a "Properties" item that shows the full path to the application, or the "Add Startup Program" dialog needs to allow selection of an application from the Applications menu. I could see adding both of these. The latter is friendlier to less experienced users. The former is more general-purpose. I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on this. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 18:26:17 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:26:17 -0700 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: <20090310203132.7e7394be@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On 03/10/2009 08:07 PM, Charles Howse wrote: > On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> >> What I use when working with developers and filing bugs: >> $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt > > I learned earlier today that ps doesn't want the dash before the > options. It will work, but complains of bad syntax: > $ ps auxwwf > ps.txt > Yep, that works. I couldn't get it to work with the dash either. From daevid at daevid.com Wed Mar 11 18:47:28 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:28 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet starts manually fine Message-ID: <1236797248.4550.5.camel@psedev1> I posted this the other day but feel it might have been lost as sunday evenings are not the best time to post it seems... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:15:47 -0700 I installed 8.10 server, then added Gnome and all that goodness on top. When I boot however (and I swear this WAS working a week or so ago and I just did some updates today as per the update icon arrow), XDM doesn't auto start. I have /etc/init.d/gdm starting in 3,4,5 x11-common in 2,3,4,5 and xserver-wacom (i don't have a wacom anything) in 2,3,4,5 If I login and "startx" it works fine but bawks about user switching or something. if I manually just "/etc/init.d/gdm start" it fires up and works like a champ. 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I hope it helps. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From samp at arial-concept.com Wed Mar 11 18:23:44 2009 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:23:44 +0100 Subject: How to add a Printer application ? Message-ID: <49B801B0.3080001@arial-concept.com> Hi, I ask this question about 2 years now, once again: How to add a printer application as we do on KDE to print to a fax application or to Kprinter (KDE printer managment) ? I need to print on Hylafax server Thanks -- Sam Przyswa - Chef de projet Email: samp at arial-concept.com Arial Concept - Intégrateur Internet 36, rue de Turin - 75008 - Paris - France Tel: 01 40 54 86 04 - Fax: 01 40 54 83 01 Fax privé: 09 57 12 27 22 Skype ID: arial-concept Web: http://www.arial-concept.com -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. For all your IT requirements visit: http://www.transtec.co.uk From Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com Wed Mar 11 18:46:58 2009 From: Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com (Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >. . . >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >. . . >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >individual e-mail boxes/files. > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >state that they are links and do not have permissions. > >Questions >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >View & Modify? > >Any help appreciated > >Stephen The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more information would be nice. :) You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here so that we could see the details of the links you made? I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using the chmod command Alan ============================================================================== This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. ============================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daevid at daevid.com Wed Mar 11 18:49:40 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:49:40 -0700 Subject: Framebuffer console help. Screen switches to highres black screen and underline cursor. Message-ID: <1236797380.4550.8.camel@psedev1> I posted this the other day but feel it might have been lost as sunday evenings are not the best time to post it seems... Is there a step-by-step FAQ/Howto on this that someone has tried and knows works? If it matters, I am using an LCD display that does 1280x1024. Gnome/X works just fine, even with Compiz, so the LCD can certainly handle the higher resolution than 80x25 or whatever a console is by default. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:17 -0700 I'm trying to set a 1280x1024 frame buffer console on my 8.10 server: When I do "vga=ask" the mode says "31B", but this page says "791" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConsoleFramebuffer Either one causes the screen to go high-resolution, blank and just a little "_" in the top left corner. It never recovers, yet the server is booted as I can ssh into it and the web/mysql/mail/etc are all working. What am I doing wrong? This is on an Intel mobo with built in graphics (however, I do get Compiz working just fine in X/Gnome) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net Wed Mar 11 18:50:35 2009 From: mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net (Mike McGinn) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:50:35 -0400 Subject: Laptop locks up In-Reply-To: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <200903111450.35237.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> On Tuesday 03-10-2009 13:29:57 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > 8.04 to 8.10? > > -Bart I had the same problem with 8.04 before I got a new laptop - which I run 8.10 on. It is a hardware problem. First thing to do is run a memory test overnight. Then make sure the CPU and motherboard are not covered in dust. -- Mike McGinn No electrons were harmed in sending this message. My deeds are my dearest companions. I am the beneficiary of my deeds. My deeds are the ground on which I stand. "more kidneys than eyes!" "Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit." Registered Linux User 377849 From chowse at charter.net Wed Mar 11 19:00:24 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:00:24 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <878wnd47f9.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <878wnd47f9.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <7F88A041-36ED-4E59-B853-7D2B98C52722@charter.net> On Mar 10, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Florian Diesch wrote: > Charles Howse wrote: > >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > > I don't see anything uncommon for a server. > > You could reduce the number of pop3-login processes > (login_processes_count in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf) if you have very > few POP3 users or the number of active consoles (ACTIVE_CONSOLES in > /etc/default/console-setup) if you don't need 6 consoles. Hi Florian, nice tip. I'm the only pop3 user, so I can change that, and I think I will go ahead and remove some of those consoles. From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 19:00:37 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:37 -0600 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00ec01c9a23a$1f0899b0$5d19cd10$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> <00ec01c9a23a$1f0899b0$5d19cd10$@it> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:11 AM, Jonathan Harrison < jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it> wrote: > Done all that stuff. Changed USB BIOS settings again and went through all > the commands again. Only not tried putting in a Video card (I do not have > a > spare), I did however change BIOS setting to force on MB Video chipset. > That too did not work. > > What next? The only thing I have seen, and am about to try is down grading > to a lower version of Ubuntu. > > I still think this is a BUG with predominantly Gigabyte MB, probably > because > they do not test with Linux OS. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Did you update the BIOS like I say before? Try installing Ubuntu 8.04 then upgrade to 8.10 if you require it. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanos at writeme.com Wed Mar 11 19:07:06 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:07:06 +0000 Subject: Do Menu Editor and Shell need different commands? Message-ID: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> Dear All As part of wanting to mount the ntfs partition of my dual boot pc I looked at doing this manually in a shell: "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/xp -t ntfs -o umask=0002,nls=utf8" and unmounting as well "sudo umount /mnt/xp" Both work. Then I tried to include them in the Menu options. I put the same two commands into two new items in the menu editor, but they do not work. Both had "enable launch feedback" ticked. I think the reason is that while the shell would rightly prompt me for a password for the user, I do not get to see or input this password when it is run from the Menu command. Currently I mount this partition at boot up. I am hoping to be able to unmount it using a Menu command, after I have done certain things and have the option to easily mount it again via the Menu if need be. But is this possible? Any advice or suggestions welcome. Stephen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 11 19:31:14 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:14 -0400 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade In-Reply-To: <3811682.pIg9f9UP0V@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> <49B70278.9010205@gatech.edu> <3811682.pIg9f9UP0V@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49B81182.8000407@gatech.edu> Derek Broughton wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> John Conover wrote: >>> The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very >>> little disk space. >> There's no autoupgrade... You have to agree. >> >>> Was there something that was supposed to be >>> removed? >> If you really used the standard GUI upgrader, it should have removed >> unneeded packages automatically. > > Really? I suspect it doesn't run an "apt-get clean" (I wouldn't notice, > anyway: besides the fact that release upgrades only happen twice a year, I > use apt-move to clean out the apt archive, weekly), so if you're really > short on disk space, running that is always a good start. I meant remove as in equivalent to apt-get remove, not apt-get clean. apt-get clean is certainly harmless and worth a try, though the cache is never that large. Matt Flaschen From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 20:11:07 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:11:07 -0400 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <002901c9a267$38194080$a84bc180$@hopto.org> References: <49B7C9F0.9010406@writeme.com> <002901c9a267$38194080$a84bc180$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <49B81ADB.80300@sbcglobal.net> (Please add your replies to the bottom of the message... :) > -----Original Message----- > > Dear All > > I am trying to bridge the gap between Windows and Ubuntu so as to keep > the wife happy... {clip}... I realised that the e-mail boxes > represented a particular problem. I did not want to copy the e-mail > boxes for my three accounts into Linux because I thought I could do the > following: make symbolic links from the e-mail boxes in xp to the place > in Kubuntu where they should be. So (after making a new account in > Thunderbird/Kubuntu) I did and hey presto all the folders appeared in > Thunderbird... Walton Hoops wrote: > So, first off let me apologize for not answering your question > directly, as > I simply don't know the answer :-). As soon as you mentioned your > approach, > I suspected that Linux and Windows versions of thunderbird may not > have > interchangeable mailboxes, but I can't tell you how they differ or if > there's anything you can do about it. Actually, the TBird mailboxes _are_ interchangeable between Linux & Windows. I do it. :) I have my mailfolders residing on a USB key drive. Regularly use it between Ubuntu at work, at home, and with Vista & XP. > I can however tell you my approach to the same problem. IMAP. Using > IMAP > instead of POP, lets your messages and their status be stored on the > server > as well as your PC.... Close, but not exactly. With the IMAP connection method, the "offical" copy of your messages are on the server, and your email client makes a local copy to work with. At the specified update intervals your email client send info to the server of what's changed. Most email clients have a "Work Offline" mode, but I personally don't trust it. Then again, everytime I check my email I have internet connectivity, so I've never really tried offline mode anyway. > I hope this helps. I know it's not what your shooting for, but it's my > approach to the same problem. > > Walton -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 20:23:42 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:23:42 -0400 Subject: Do Menu Editor and Shell need different commands? In-Reply-To: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> References: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Stephen Constantinou wrote: > I think the reason is that while the shell would rightly prompt me for a > password for the user, I do not get to see or input this password when > it is run from the Menu command. To do the same in a GUI - use gksu instead of sudo But can't you just put it in the fstab so it mounts on start up, then unmount it via right click when you don't want it anymore? Brian From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 20:03:23 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:03:23 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <2884630.Cp7O7yYb3n@cedar.serverforest.com> Rashkae wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> >> $ ps -auxwwf | more >> makes it easier to view/read via the terminal. Do you know of a way to >> get that to pipe to a text file? >> > > I'm sorry, this confuses me. It looks like your asking how to re-direct > to a file, but my brain grinds to a halt because: > > 1. who you are. > > 2. you answer the question yourself next paragraph down. I confess my mind boggled... :-) -- derek From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 11 20:10:39 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:10:39 -0400 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: References: <20090310203132.7e7394be@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49B81ABF.2050804@tigershaunt.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/10/2009 08:07 PM, Charles Howse wrote: >> On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> >>> What I use when working with developers and filing bugs: >>> $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt >> I learned earlier today that ps doesn't want the dash before the >> options. It will work, but complains of bad syntax: >> $ ps auxwwf > ps.txt >> > > Yep, that works. I couldn't get it to work with the dash either. > It works just as well with the dash. You get an error message when you > ps.txt because all the other stdout output went into ps.txt, wheras the error message about the - is stderr and gets visibly displayed on the screen. The error message should still be there when you don't re-direct, but gets lost in all the other output. From smcmackin at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 20:02:07 2009 From: smcmackin at gmail.com (Shannon McMackin) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Laptop locks up References: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:29:57 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > 8.04 to 8.10? > > -Bart 8.10 gave me issues with Compiz on my T61 laptop. 2 settings in the general tab of CCSM need to be unchecked. They were "unredirect fullscreen windows" and "force independent output painting". My T61 has the Intel video chip. Maybe disabling compiz and checking stability might be a good start. From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 20:06:19 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:06:19 -0300 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > I routinely get bounce messages from Charter.com when emailing a friend > of mine in Texas, but she always gets the messages anyway. What do they say? Sometimes you'll get a "temporarily unavailable" type message that says delivery will be retried. > I've emailed > the contact address listed for Charter in the bounce messages a couple > of times explaining the problem, but have to date not received a reply > from them, or seen a fix for the problem occur. > > Just one of those annoying things that happen with some isp's. Uh-huh. One of the most abused requirements of the mail RFCs is that bounces should come from a routeable email address. Most of the ones I get, don't, and the rest probably come from an address that routes straight to the bit-bucket. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 11 20:02:30 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:02:30 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <878wnd47f9.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <1699819.HdfgZuTAzr@cedar.serverforest.com> Florian Diesch wrote: > Charles Howse wrote: > >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > > I don't see anything uncommon for a server. Or in fact for any system. >> Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie 51 processes is a _very_ small number :-) My laptop, which also functions as a test server, is currently running 148. I'd often idly wondered what the minimum would be, and looking at this 50 seems pretty close to the limit. -- derek From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 20:32:13 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:32:13 -0400 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM, David M. Karr wrote: > Several times I've run into a similar scenario: > > I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", > find it, then install it. > Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session > startup.  The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to > browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full > path to an executable. > I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on this. The 'remember currently running applications' button in Preferences -> Sessions on the third tab helps with that. I'm not sure if it adds programs to your start up, or replaces your start up with what's currently running. It's not very intuitive perhaps.... Brian From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 20:42:13 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:42:13 -0600 Subject: Laptop locks up In-Reply-To: <200903111450.35237.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> References: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> <200903111450.35237.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Mike McGinn wrote: > On Tuesday 03-10-2009 13:29:57 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > > even the network stack stopped responding. > > > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > > 8.04 to 8.10? > > > > -Bart > > I had the same problem with 8.04 before I got a new laptop - which I run > 8.10 > on. It is a hardware problem. First thing to do is run a memory test > overnight. Then make sure the CPU and motherboard are not covered in dust. > > -- > Mike McGinn > No electrons were harmed in sending this message. > My deeds are my dearest companions. I am the beneficiary of my deeds. > My deeds are the ground on which I stand. > "more kidneys than eyes!" "Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit." > Registered Linux User 377849 > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Some Dell models need the BIOS to be upgraded before using Ubuntu x.x Well that happened to me using Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 on a XPS 1330m, USB mouse and trackpad not responding, slow internet, etc. I upgraded to the v. A12 if I remember correctly and the lock down dissapear in both Ubuntu versions. Hope it helps. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 11 20:40:02 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:40:02 +0100 Subject: Do Menu Editor and Shell need different commands? In-Reply-To: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> References: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> Message-ID: <200903112140.02498.kassube@gmx.net> Stephen Constantinou wrote: > As part of wanting to mount the ntfs partition of my dual boot pc I > looked at doing this manually in a shell: > "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/xp -t ntfs -o umask=0002,nls=utf8" > and unmounting as well > "sudo umount /mnt/xp" > Both work. > > Then I tried to include them in the Menu options. I put the same two > commands into two new items in the menu editor, but they do not work. Use "gksu" instead of "sudo". Or if you don't use GNOME but KDE, use "kdesudo" instead. Nils From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Mar 11 20:46:22 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:46:22 -0600 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311152401.GB9820@v-shell-1> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090311152401.GB9820@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090311144622.01d8aaa8@teamcharliesangels.com> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:24:01 +0000 Chris G wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:42:35AM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > > Chris G wrote: > > > > > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > > > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > > > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > > > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid > > > and get what I want? > > > > > > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. > > > It's not available for 64-bit Ubuntu which I'm running (I think I put > it in the subject). > Maybe you could read that subject line again? I see nothing about 64bit or amd64 in it. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 20:49:04 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:49:04 -0400 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> Message-ID: Chris G wrote: > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > get what I want? > The right way to install a package from a different distribution is to use apt pinning method. In this, you add the repo for the new distribution. In you case, you will add the repo for Jaunty in your sources.list file. To do this, you can either add the repo line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list or use the GUI from Settings->Aministration->sources (or something similar menu). Once you add the repo, then that repo will also be checked for upgrade. However, you do not all upgrades from that but only one particular package. Let us call this package foo. Next, to tell your update manager to check the new repo only for foo, you create an /etc/apt/preferences file. See an example here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto . In the preferences file, you just specify a package that is to be pulled from a particular distribution. The following web page explains it all, with examples: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html Let us know how it goes. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From stephanos at writeme.com Wed Mar 11 21:15:58 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:15:58 +0000 Subject: Do Menu Editor and Shell need different commands? In-Reply-To: References: <49B80BDA.30005@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49B82A0E.1020809@writeme.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Stephen Constantinou > wrote: >> I think the reason is that while the shell would rightly prompt me for a >> password for the user, I do not get to see or input this password when >> it is run from the Menu command. > > To do the same in a GUI - use gksu instead of sudo > > But can't you just put it in the fstab so it mounts on start up, then > unmount it via right click when you don't want it anymore? > > Brian > Dear All Thanks for all the replies. I cannot test them all but I did test an off list suggestion that left me a bit embarrassed - it was such a simple solution. Back in Menu editor, select the Advanced tab and put a tick in Run in Terminal. A shell opens with a prompt to enter the password, I enter it and the mounting or unmounting is performed. I worked through this afew times and there are no issues I can see. Now the partition is mounted at start up via fsab. I can unmount it from the menu. If I want it mounted again I have a menu option. Brian - I would like to unmount via a right click, but in Konqueror at least a right click does not give me that option. I am very interested in your solution. Can you tell me more? Thanks all Stephen From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 11 21:23:02 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:23:02 +0100 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236806582.23069.6.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 16:32 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > The 'remember currently running applications' button in Preferences -> > Sessions on the third tab helps with that. Which does not work in 8.10, because gnome-session currently is broken :( From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 11 21:29:50 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:29:50 -0400 Subject: Laptop locks up In-Reply-To: References: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49B82D4E.3050209@chrononomicon.com> Shannon McMackin wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:29:57 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried >> using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time >> intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the >> freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even >> connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so >> even the network stack stopped responding. Thank you to everyone who has (and might still) reply to the thread...I've been forwarding responses to him in case he decides he wanted to try it again! From stephanos at writeme.com Wed Mar 11 21:46:30 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen Constantinou) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:46:30 +0000 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: > > >. . . > >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux > >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the > >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) > >. . . > >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by > >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the > >individual e-mail boxes/files. > > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is > >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group > >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly > >state that they are links and do not have permissions. > > > >Questions > >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? > >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can > >View & Modify? > > > >Any help appreciated > > > >Stephen > > The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just > use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? > > Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more > information would be nice. :) > You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in > your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here > so that we could see the details of the links you made? > > I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with > what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. > Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the > line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) > I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder > ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos > (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) > > If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using > the chmod command > > > Alan > > ============================================================================== > This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. > ============================================================================== > Dear All Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading the mail boxes directly from C drive. Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the situation. With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to change the location. With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. Is my Thunderbird different to yours? Thanks and wait to hear Stephen From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 21:47:31 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:47:31 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903111447t2b9c07e7vd0c3f54e4050482e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: >>ln -s /usr/share/phpldapadmin/ /var/www/ That's one way :-) You can also do the Ubuntu/Debian way: ln -s /etc/phpldapadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpldapadmin Regards, Norberto From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 21:48:45 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:48:45 -0200 Subject: problems to connect to ldap server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function ldap_connect() In-Reply-To: References: <84250c9c0903110330ufcf61b6rb837e6c99487e33c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903111448y64b7630fsfd642151bb211632@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Dámaris Suárez Corrales wrote: > Fixed!!!! i think it was the changing of > > extension = mod_ldap.so for > extension = ldap.so  //this made possible for a php program to connect to a > ldap server > > But i'm not sure (it is not the first time ubuntu get fixed alone) That and /etc/init.d/apache2 reload (or restart) Regards, Norberto From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 11 21:51:56 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:51:56 +0100 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <1236806582.23069.6.camel@chronic> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <1236806582.23069.6.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1236808316.23069.8.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 22:23 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: > Which does not work in 8.10, because gnome-session currently is > broken :( Before I get irate replies ;) I'd better phrase that differently: technically, gnome-session is not broken, it just changed the protocol and most (all?) applications did not follow yet. So in practice session saving in Gnome is broken. From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 11 22:06:20 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:06:20 -0400 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> References: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> Stephen Constantinou wrote: > Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >> >. . . >> >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >> >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >> >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >> >. . . >> >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >> >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >> >individual e-mail boxes/files. >> > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >> >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >> >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >> >state that they are links and do not have permissions. >> > >> >Questions >> >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >> >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >> >View & Modify? >> > >> >Any help appreciated >> > >> >Stephen >> >> The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just >> use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? >> >> Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more >> information would be nice. :) >> You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in >> your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here >> so that we could see the details of the links you made? >> >> I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with >> what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. >> Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the >> line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) >> I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder >> ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos >> (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) >> >> If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using >> the chmod command >> >> >> Alan >> >> ============================================================================== >> This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. >> ============================================================================== >> > Dear All > > Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls > etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading > the mail boxes directly from C drive. > > Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try > this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 > into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the > situation. > > With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server > Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display > that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to > change the location. > > With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. > Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local > Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to > set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. > > Is my Thunderbird different to yours? > > Thanks and wait to hear > > Stephen > It's acting different than TBird (2.0.0.19) here on my Ubuntu machine, and every other TBird install I've seen, regardless of OS... Did you install TBird from Ubuntu repos, or somewhere else? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From jw at raven.inka.de Wed Mar 11 23:02:57 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:02:57 +0100 Subject: How to generate printer ppd for cups? Message-ID: <20090311230257.GA26877@raven.wolf.lan> Hello, I'd like to know how the cups-gutenprint drivers are created. When I install a printer with system-config-printer.py, I get a ppd which seems to be auto-generated. At least, I can't find any file in /usr/share/ppd with the same NickName as the file that gets installed into /etc/cups/ppds. For example, I'd like to install this driver: "HP LaserJet 4 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.0-rc1" Since I have to configure lots of boxes, running system-config-printer.py interactively on every box is no option for me. Ideally, I'd run a script, that takes the required information on the command line instead of letting me enter interactively into the GUI. On other distros, I can install some package that contain the desired PPDs, so I can simply give the desired ppd as command line argument to lpadmin. Am I really forced to use this GUI crap in ubuntu? From hal at burgiss.net Wed Mar 11 23:17:54 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:54 -0400 Subject: mysql in Ubuntu 8.04 hardy In-Reply-To: <49B8074D.7080302@dgeo.udec.cl> References: <49B8074D.7080302@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <20090311231754.GH15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 03:47:41PM -0300, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > galas@ hotmail.com escribió: > > i havent internet in mi home and need install the mysql-server and > > mysql-client; now check in my CD UBUNTU 8.04 hardy (CANONICAL) and i > > dont see the pack of mysql.. > > need a solution, thanks. If you want to double check, these are the package names I have installed on my home 8.04 system: mysql-client-5.0 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 mysql-common 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 mysql-doc-5.0 5.0.56-0ubuntu1 mysql-server 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 mysql-server-5.0 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 -- Hal From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 12 00:10:44 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:10:44 -0600 Subject: Laptop locks up In-Reply-To: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B6A395.70201@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090311181044.146fc942@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:29:57 -0400 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He > tried using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at > random time intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the > time of the freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing > responded. Not even connecting remotely from another system into the > laptop would work, so even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in > moving 8.04 to 8.10? > > -Bart > Here is a bug report on one user's lockups: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/323600 -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 02:32:09 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:32:09 -0500 Subject: WiFi problems... Message-ID: <49B87429.3000900@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having problems with my WiFi adapter. It's a Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G USB adapter. The problem is that it works for just a few minutes, then quits. At that point I either have to reboot, or unplug the adapter and plug it back in again to get it to work for a few more minutes. Gets frustrating when that happens. Any suggestions on what I need to do to get this thing working reliably? Please keep in mind that you're dealing with a complete newbie to Linux, but I have lots of experience with Windows... - -- Roy Smith http://roysmith1959.spaces.live.com/ Windows XP Professional SP3 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJJuHQWAAoJEHFPV0E50l1idFQP/3WCSsQHAo9/6cHhVE2v8BsD l0sWZoiK7KSnonjqcdE1E2zUQpGS1kM14czRgrtwiBL7RqCjyGD9TdOswU/O0Oik iood4iIrV1HfaJbBwyDw/7s0msKp97YVet5p+D5x5sxjnC5ZVRLnNya/RXmorto6 Qc9rGLiEY7AuwxS0QA9PYCWM505sRhkoXVYweHeduzRBFOsF9NB7LV2QwL8/F42Y CrxF93Mce1aicmXbDu9GLFQbjYL/Q3pBVg6jhx78rtSAtDF+vXViDpM2XjnoTgTP U5dONL1FngXeu4Br8hlPcNhHy+Ug/CCKB9NSGzJc8C0nPxWyuol+nCyhUZlmA4S6 o+7G1ele8zLHpMPflbCSxqhnicCUt0u0YIEaQmL4QntQKEaZKp3/oqQIzfEf1ZP0 PRdcdLLdoqU0qj2oNi/97OHZryBkuQ05PFEy2aYU2GK0t3VmwC6arKqEZtKOsMjq hieL1oDiqWsmqe5AAkbmEJrrp0EzvpGHNTeJh0jCo32gwSdjEZywJ/SvIh+vsjND dvd5epps0wEx3B2jU1bIIDsDPPqW8f2VyjFJsn/mQEYY76iLET+ZL2fvg6BIIvcb O+XVB7hTQ5gTxjLbA4y9Mdw3h0NSiwDHrBTwufGllv6RBSJQkSUwAo1WPoDqfiGf GWlIBZe8iLUsCB5IV+KS =ZlU/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Roy Smith http://roysmith1959.spaces.live.com/ Windows XP Professional SP3 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 03:56:19 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WiFi problems... In-Reply-To: <49B87429.3000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Roy Smith wrote: From: Roy Smith Subject: WiFi problems... To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:32 PM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hi! I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having > problems with my WiFi adapter. > It's a Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G USB adapter. The problem is that it > works for just a few minutes, then > quits. At that point I either have > to reboot, or unplug the adapter and > plug it back in again to get it > to work for a few more minutes. Gets > frustrating when that happens. > Any suggestions on what I need to do to > get this thing working > reliably? Please keep in mind that > you're dealing with a complete > newbie to Linux, but I have lots of > experience with Windows... I suppose you are using "network manager" in gnome or manually setting up with /etc/network/interfaces for you wifi. Most people have better luck, IMO, using wicd for wifi setup and is what I use now. Suggest you give it a try. It will remove network magager and maybe some more programs when you install wicd. To install it you need: http://apt.wicd.net intrepid/extras Packages (all one line) In you sources.list as it's not in the regular repos. Install if from synaptic or other gui or from the CLI with: sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude install wicd. Let the list know if you have any problems installing or setting up wicd. BTW, before we start seeing a bunch of rebuttals about wicd, it is not entirely trouble free but for me and many others, it just works and is much more stable than network manager. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Mar 12 04:14:49 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:14:49 -0700 Subject: WiFi problems... In-Reply-To: <49B87429.3000900@gmail.com> References: <49B87429.3000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090311211449.6ad19e80.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:32:09 -0500 Roy Smith wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi! I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having problems with my WiFi adapter. > It's a Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G USB adapter. The problem is that > it works for just a few minutes, then quits. At that point I > either have to reboot, or unplug the adapter and plug it back in > again to get it to work for a few more minutes. Gets frustrating > when that happens. Any suggestions on what I need to do to get this > thing working reliably? Please keep in mind that you're dealing > with a complete newbie to Linux, but I have lots of experience with > Windows... > > > - -- > > Roy Smith I have two things to check, because I just went through getting my laptop setup with wifi. The first thing that I had to fix was the firewall. My firewall was not letting any traffic through and so the connection was timing out. The next thing to do is to install WICD. Installing WICD got rid of all my network problems. Installing WICD will remove network-manager for you. The directions for installing WICD can be found on their web site: www.wicd.net -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost. --H. Jackson Browne From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 12 04:17:22 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:17:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: how to set password in file and folder Message-ID: <881644.14810.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear all,             I just want to know that how to set password in any particular file and folder  using command . 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In-Reply-To: References: <489024.18475.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49B662EF.9050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B89484.6050209@gatech.edu> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >>> >> The problem my be that your computer is not set up to boot from a >> thumb drive. >> > Karl, > > this will not be the problem. If you read up the OP's mail, you will > find he is using a netbook. In fact, that was the issue, as you can see from the follow-up, "Thank you Mathew Re: How do I install Ubuntu using a thumb drive?". It actually make sense. Booting from USB by default is a security risk. Matt Flaschen From wheelie207 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 04:56:42 2009 From: wheelie207 at gmail.com (Harold Hartley) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:56:42 -0400 Subject: Curser button in the keyboard Message-ID: <49B8960A.7020900@gmail.com> I have this curser botton in the middle of my keyboard and I can't remember what file I need to modify so I can disable it so when I type it won't send my curser off to the top or side and its hard to get it to stop moving so I can use my touchpad. Can someone let me know what file I need to modify. Thanks Harold From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 05:44:37 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:44:37 -0500 Subject: WiFi problems... In-Reply-To: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B8A145.5010800@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Roy Smith wrote: > From: Roy Smith > Subject: WiFi problems... > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:32 PM > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> Hi! I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having >> problems with my WiFi adapter. >> It's a Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G USB adapter. The problem is that it >> works for just a few minutes, then >> quits. At that point I either have >> to reboot, or unplug the adapter and >> plug it back in again to get it >> to work for a few more minutes. Gets >> frustrating when that happens. >> Any suggestions on what I need to do to > get this thing working >> reliably? Please keep in mind that >> you're dealing with a complete >> newbie to Linux, but I have lots of >> experience with Windows... > > > I suppose you are using "network manager" in gnome or manually setting up with /etc/network/interfaces for you wifi. Most people have better luck, IMO, using wicd for wifi setup and is what I use now. > Suggest you give it a try. It will remove network magager and maybe some more programs when you install wicd. > To install it you need: > > http://apt.wicd.net intrepid/extras Packages (all one line) > > In you sources.list as it's not in the regular repos. Install if from synaptic or other gui or from the CLI with: > > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude install wicd. > > Let the list know if you have any problems installing or setting up wicd. BTW, before we start seeing a bunch of rebuttals about wicd, it is not entirely trouble free but for me and many others, it just works and is much more stable than network manager. Ok I'll give that a shot. Should have mentioned that I was using the Hardy Heron V8.04 version of Ubuntu, but I'm in the process right now of updating to the 8.10 version. If I still have problems after the upgrade I'll give wicd a try. 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Matt Flaschen From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Thu Mar 12 08:00:22 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:00:22 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> Message-ID: <009c01c9a2e8$9807cc10$c8176430$@it> This is my first Linux use/install, and I am not literate, so this is quite a challenge/exciting, as well as frustrating. Do you have the same results using Ubuntu 8.04? No, installs Have you upgraded the BIOS? Yes, all up to date Have you tried using the Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate CD? If you mean 32b, yes. Same problem I know you want a server, but it's just to be sure everything goes ok using Ubuntu 8.10 with an alternate install I am installing 8.04 Server - although completed but failed to reboot after install. Just re-installing but with other HDs removed. If it fails then I will resort to Desktop version at 8.04 64b.... Did you checked you MD5 checksum? No. How? Would it be possible to run a memtest? Yes, all OK I think there has much to do with the Gigabyte MB as anything else. As they told me they do not test their boards with Linux. Sent me to AMD. They were very dismissive. Won't buy another Gigabyte MB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it Thu Mar 12 08:03:41 2009 From: jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it (Jonathan Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:03:41 -0000 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <49B699CF.5020604@gmail.com> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> <49B699CF.5020604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a101c9a2e9$0eb40bd0$2c1c2370$@it> "Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: Are you booting from a CD or DVD? If a DVD, check to see if there is a kernel with the pae (physical address extension) flag on the DVD. If so select it to install. This allows the kernel to use all of the memory the MB supports. Most or (all) MB's have a limitation of 3.25 =/- a couple of of bytes". Hth Got fed-up, and tried 8.04... All installed, re-booted and working, it seems. As new to Linux and Servers, not sure what to expect. - Black screen, lots of letters. From torbjorn at nextline.no Thu Mar 12 08:07:10 2009 From: torbjorn at nextline.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Thorsen_-_Nextline?=) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:07:10 +0100 Subject: Dual screen using XRandR on ATI 9600 | NV350 AQ (radeon FLOSS driver) Message-ID: <49B8C2AE.2050902@nextline.no> I'm having trouble setting up a usable dual screen setup with my new 8.10 installation. I have to identical monitors running at 1280x1024. torbjorn at torbjorn-desktop:~$ xrandr | grep connected VGA-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) The first problem was the Virtual size was too small to fit two of both outputs, so that got configured in xorg.conf. Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 2560 x 1024 So now I should be ready for running dual screen ? torbjorn at torbjorn-desktop:~$ xrandr --dryrun --output DVI-0 --right-of VGA-0 screen 0: 2560x1024 675x270 mm 96.33dpi crtc 0: 1280x1024 60.0 +1280+0 "DVI-0" "VGA-0" The result of doing this is that both outputs end up with the same offset, in effect, I can only see the right side of the virtual screen. torbjorn at torbjorn-desktop:~$ xrandr | grep connected VGA-0 connected 1280x1024+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm I have tried lots of different ways to get them to show the whole virtual screen, including using --pos, but I can't get them to split. The output always see the same area of the virtual screen. If anybody could point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful. -- Torbjørn From dcurtis at uniserve.com Thu Mar 12 08:19:30 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:19:30 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet starts manually fine In-Reply-To: <1236797248.4550.5.camel@psedev1> References: <1236797248.4550.5.camel@psedev1> Message-ID: <20090312041930.d227d1b5.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:28 -0700 Daevid Vincent wrote: > I posted this the other day but feel it might have been lost as sunday > evenings are not the best time to post it seems... > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:15:47 -0700 > > I installed 8.10 server, then added Gnome and all that goodness on top. > > When I boot however (and I swear this WAS working a week or so ago and I > just did some updates today as per the update icon arrow), XDM doesn't > auto start. > > I have /etc/init.d/gdm starting in 3,4,5 > x11-common in 2,3,4,5 > and xserver-wacom (i don't have a wacom anything) in 2,3,4,5 > > If I login and "startx" it works fine but bawks about user switching or > something. > if I manually just "/etc/init.d/gdm start" it fires up and works like a > champ. > > So I'm confused as to where the disconnect is and why it isn't' starting > with the other services? > Well, if no one has responded, let this amateur take a guess. The above behavior sounds correct. Xorg is run as user, while GDM needs root. (I'm guessing that you really use 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'.) I don't know what to edit in the init scripts. But if you're getting to the desktop there should be an Applications->System->Services with a check box for GDM/XDM. If that's not going to do it for you, you can always go to the nearest desktop install and diff the relative scripts/dir. HTH -- David Curtis From alain.muls at telenet.be Thu Mar 12 08:30:20 2009 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:30:20 +0100 Subject: Common call for launching file browser Message-ID: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi All I work in a team (windows and linux) which develop programs using Qt for both systems. One of the windows team has created a functionality which opens the file browser (explorer) to browse through files. She uses explorer c:\mydir What is a linux equivalent for doing a similar thing that will work in both KDE and GNOME (and perhaps also XFCE or other window managers)? Tx/ALain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcumbill at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 12 08:38:08 2009 From: marcumbill at bellsouth.net (Bill Marcum) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to generate printer ppd for cups? References: <20090311230257.GA26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: On 2009-03-11, Josef Wolf wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to know how the cups-gutenprint drivers are created. When I > install a printer with system-config-printer.py, I get a ppd which > seems to be auto-generated. At least, I can't find any file in > /usr/share/ppd with the same NickName as the file that gets installed > into /etc/cups/ppds. For example, I'd like to install this driver: > > "HP LaserJet 4 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.0-rc1" > > Since I have to configure lots of boxes, running system-config-printer.py > interactively on every box is no option for me. Ideally, I'd > run a script, that takes the required information on the command line > instead of letting me enter interactively into the GUI. > Once you have a ppd file in /etc/cups/ppd, you can copy it to other machines. The gutenprint package apparently uses data from xml files in /usr/share/gutenprint. > On other distros, I can install some package that contain the desired > PPDs, so I can simply give the desired ppd as command line argument > to lpadmin. Am I really forced to use this GUI crap in ubuntu? > From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 12 09:13:29 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:13:29 +0000 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <20090311144622.01d8aaa8@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090311152401.GB9820@v-shell-1> <20090311144622.01d8aaa8@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090312091329.GK4230@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 02:46:22PM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:24:01 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:42:35AM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > > > Chris G wrote: > > > > > > > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > > > > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > > > > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > > > > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid > > > > and get what I want? > > > > > > > > > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > > > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. > > > > > It's not available for 64-bit Ubuntu which I'm running (I think I put > > it in the subject). > > > > Maybe you could read that subject line again? I see nothing about 64bit > or amd64 in it. > Yes, OK, I forgot! :-) I'd had a long day mucking about with this problem. I have in fact simply installed the Sun Java6 JRE 'manually' now and have the Java plugin working on my 64-bit Firefox. It took me a long time to get there though (not mostly Ubuntu's fault, mostly lack of information on the things that *needed* the 'real' Sun Java plugin) -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 12 09:14:45 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:14:45 +0000 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: <49B7D9DB.20404@chaos-dragon.com> References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> <20090311084235.5f16ce1f@teamcharliesangels.com> <49B7D9DB.20404@chaos-dragon.com> Message-ID: <20090312091445.GL4230@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:33:47AM -0500, Sylphid wrote: > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:43 +0000 > > Chris G wrote: > > > >> I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > >> Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > >> there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > >> > >> Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > >> Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > >> get what I want? > >> > > > > Isn't 'sun-java6-plugin' the real one? It is available in > > synaptic-package-manager in multiverse and needs sun-java6-jre. > > > > > > > I believe what Chris is referring to is that the sun-java6-plugin > package for the amd64 platform was recently added to the jaunty > repos but has not been back-ported yet. Sun has only released a > 64bit version recently, and us 64bit users have been using Icedtea > as a replacement. > That's it! .... and in my case the add-on I have been trying to make work needs the real Sun plugin, it doesn't work with Icedtea. -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 12 09:17:06 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:17:06 +0000 Subject: Is it possible to install the sun-java6-plugin from jaunty in intrepid? In-Reply-To: References: <20090311141843.GB5281@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090312091706.GM4230@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:49:04PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > Chris G wrote: > > I have a need for the 'real' Sun Java6 plugin for my Firefox on > > Intrepid (xubuntu 8.10). It's not yet available for Intrepid but > > there is a Jaunty (9.04) version. > > > > Can anyone tell me if I can get the Jaunty version installed in > > Intrepid, or can I do a manual install of the Sun JRE in Intrepid and > > get what I want? > > > > The right way to install a package from a different distribution is to > use apt pinning method. > > In this, you add the repo for the new distribution. In you case, you > will add the repo for Jaunty in your sources.list file. To do this, you > can either add the repo line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list or use > the GUI from Settings->Aministration->sources (or something similar menu). > > Once you add the repo, then that repo will also be checked for upgrade. > However, you do not all upgrades from that but only one particular > package. Let us call this package foo. > > Next, to tell your update manager to check the new repo only for foo, > you create an /etc/apt/preferences file. See an example here > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto . > > In the preferences file, you just specify a package that is to be pulled > from a particular distribution. > > The following web page explains it all, with examples: > http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html > Aha, thank you, that's *exactly* what I was asking for. In fact it's *brilliant* thank you very much indeed. -- Chris Green From cy41169 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 09:44:21 2009 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com (Charlie Dorff) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Curser button in the keyboard Message-ID: <761730.13558.qm@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Harold... I don/t know which file you're referring to but if you go to the system menu and then click on preferences and then mouse there might be something there that can help you. Charlie --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Harold Hartley wrote: From: Harold Hartley Subject: Curser button in the keyboard To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 11:56 PM I have this curser botton in the middle of my keyboard and I can't remember what file I need to modify so I can disable it so when I type it won't send my curser off to the top or side and its hard to get it to stop moving so I can use my touchpad. Can someone let me know what file I need to modify. 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Kind regards, -- Francisco From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 10:50:12 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:50:12 +0200 Subject: stopping KDE (4.2) from locking my screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903120350ob2623a3r82a8e32cd08c8e9e@mail.gmail.com> > Hello, > > How can I keep KDE from locking my screen every 15 minutes? > > That did not happen in KDE3, but KDE4.2 will happily lock me out every > 15 minutes or so, and I can't find the place to turn that off. > > I have the screen saver set to start only after 60minutes. > > Any hints? > Write a command to jiggle the mouse pointer every couple of minutes to keep it from going idle. http://xkcd.com/196/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From denis at haskinferguson.net Thu Mar 12 11:03:27 2009 From: denis at haskinferguson.net (Denis Haskin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:03:27 -0400 Subject: Amazon S3 file system? Message-ID: <49B8EBFF.2070904@haskinferguson.net> There seem to be a plethora (well, at least a few) implementations of a file system backed by Amazon S3 (s3fs, s3fs-fuse, etc). Recommendations pro/con? In particular, I was hoping to find one that *didn't* store the file system monolithically on S3, but the individual files, so they were still easily accessible from outside the filesystem. Or maybe that's impossible, and I should be looking at mounting the S3 bucket via WebDAV? Thanks, dwh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 11:36:36 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:36:36 +0200 Subject: Amazon S3 file system? In-Reply-To: <49B8EBFF.2070904@haskinferguson.net> References: <49B8EBFF.2070904@haskinferguson.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903120436vc377378qae778714a451015d@mail.gmail.com> > There seem to be a plethora (well, at least a few) implementations of a file > system backed by Amazon S3 (s3fs, s3fs-fuse, etc).  Recommendations pro/con? > > In particular, I was hoping to find one that *didn't* store the file system > monolithically on S3, but the individual files, so they were still easily > accessible from outside the filesystem.  Or maybe that's impossible, and I > should be looking at mounting the S3 bucket via WebDAV? > I think that the fuse implementation just stores the files. I had looked at it briefly once and I was able to access files on my S3 account that were uploaded with fuse, via some Firefox plugin that gives an FTP-like interface to S3. Maybe they were in a particular bucket, I don't remember. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From esj at harvee.org Thu Mar 12 13:00:23 2009 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:00:23 -0400 Subject: problems with repository id Message-ID: I've tried to incorporate a couple of external repositories because I need the packages (bzr, wine, and now netmanager). In the past, when this happened, I can get the system to cooperate long enough to add the new keys by deleting certain magic files. this time, no luck. Nothing works. I've double checked with the development team and this is the right key. I'm not sure how to verify the signature so I'm very confused. any assistance would be greatly appreciated. ---eric W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D702BF6B8C6C1EFD installed key -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.0.10 mI0ESXX0pgEEAMDSk9Vd+OWZNIa4dL2SpqFAjVq/hm4Nac2oc33g+BwP3jFajUC/quPnYXXl N7GER+tTHJ9d0PlXQDoRxXFRdSjZYUHDkiT8UV1I+sTxkjDaA7uMXD4dEcL0SG0nh6OyHHrd 9PrWzIZ/jS6PsYtKrKwHYCvP/igPr5/bH1PQoyZzABEBAAG0IUxhdW5jaHBhZCBQUEEgZm9y IE5ldHdvcmstbWFuYWdlcoi2BBMBAgAgBQJJdfSmAhsDBgsJCAcDAgQVAggDBBYCAwECHgEC F4AACgkQJI3R7ryOv+h8JQP+Ib07jYEiNG3PZf22xkV2rU/ybI9s4fT1CCoPJq5V3uJmouUs jtSXMD/9V44kFamw+Xq1EVEWeExfeABjaX7Vc9SR50Kl/DJVvBAbGs8rM2JxldQsl4sGWnTn AMJx/fv4iQsdyaklS3TcK6xo1yL21C4j0wYsmNxS16F28L3hRQ4= =8t/V -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:19:49 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:19:49 -0400 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Alain Muls wrote: > Hi All > > I work in a team (windows and linux) which develop programs using Qt for > both systems. One of the windows team has created a functionality which > opens the file browser (explorer) to browse through files. She uses > > explorer c:\mydir > > What is a linux equivalent for doing a similar thing that will work in both > KDE and GNOME (and perhaps also XFCE or other window managers)? Try xdg-open see http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ for more info. I don't know how widely adopted this is currently (in other words, I know it works on Gnome - I'll leave the testing of the others to you :-) Brian From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 12 13:34:56 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:34:56 -0600 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:30:20 +0100 Alain Muls wrote: > Hi All > > I work in a team (windows and linux) which develop programs using Qt > for both systems. One of the windows team has created a functionality > which opens the file browser (explorer) to browse through files. She > uses > > explorer c:\mydir > > What is a linux equivalent for doing a similar thing that will work > in both KDE and GNOME (and perhaps also XFCE or other window > managers)? > > Tx/ALain > I do not know that there can be a single linux equivalent. Windows is a single operating system that uses "explorer.exe" as a file manager. Linux is a very wide range of operating systems all based on the kernel written by Linus. "thunar" is the file manager for Xfce, "nautilus" is the file manager used by gnome, etc. You don't have these choices of file managers in windows. It is "explorer" because there is no other. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From larryesu at charter.net Thu Mar 12 13:54:49 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:54:49 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? Message-ID: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... Thanks for any help... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From torbjorn at nextline.no Thu Mar 12 14:03:25 2009 From: torbjorn at nextline.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Thorsen_-_Nextline?=) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:03:25 +0100 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> Message-ID: <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> Larry Shields wrote: > *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... > > Thanks for any help... > > Larry > * > http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? -- Torbjørn From vpadro at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:09:07 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:09:07 -0600 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c9a2e8$9807cc10$c8176430$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> <009c01c9a2e8$9807cc10$c8176430$@it> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Jonathan Harrison < jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it> wrote: > This is my first Linux use/install, and I am not literate, so this is > quite a challenge/exciting, as well as frustrating. > > > Do you have the same results using Ubuntu 8.04? No, installs > Have you upgraded the BIOS? Yes, all up to date > Have you tried using the Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate CD? If you mean 32b, yes. > Same problem > No, I meant you to download the Alternate CD(64 bits and 32 bits) just for testing, you can do that here: http://releases.ubuntu.fastbull.org/ubuntu-releases/intrepid/ just pick the ubuntu-8.10-alternate-amd64.iso or the ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso. > I know you want a server, but it's just to be sure everything goes ok using > Ubuntu 8.10 with an alternate install I am installing 8.04 Server – > although completed but failed to reboot after install. Just re-installing > but with other HDs removed. If it fails then I will resort to Desktop > version at 8.04 64b.... > Did you checked you MD5 checksum? No. How? > check how: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM > Would it be possible to run a memtest? Yes, all OK > > > > I think there has much to do with the Gigabyte MB as anything else. As > they told me they do not test their boards with Linux. Sent me to AMD. > They were very dismissive. Won’t buy another Gigabyte MB. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:11:23 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:11:23 -0600 Subject: Help! Installing 8.10 on Server - errors!!!! In-Reply-To: <00a101c9a2e9$0eb40bd0$2c1c2370$@it> References: <20090309230930.17869@be.che.vodafone> <007101c9a15f$225683b0$67038b10$@it> <2757a8ab0903100242g71d74322l6d2c463df490959f@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c9a16b$b2932490$17b96db0$@it> <2757a8ab0903100508m4972c311j278588476c48dbf7@mail.gmail.com> <00dd01c9a18a$b8636410$292a2c30$@it> <49B699CF.5020604@gmail.com> <00a101c9a2e9$0eb40bd0$2c1c2370$@it> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Jonathan Harrison < jonathan-harrison at tiscali.it> wrote: > > "Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > > Are you booting from a CD or DVD? > > If a DVD, check to see if there is a kernel with the pae (physical address > extension) flag on the DVD. If so select it to install. This allows the > kernel to use all of the memory the MB supports. > > Most or (all) MB's have a limitation of 3.25 =/- a couple of of bytes". > Hth > > Got fed-up, and tried 8.04... All installed, re-booted and working, it > seems. As new to Linux and Servers, not sure what to expect. - Black > screen, lots of letters. > > That's normal, you're good to go now. Maybe the next step it's to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Cheers. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauer at biplane.com.au Thu Mar 12 14:33:59 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:33:59 +1100 Subject: tftp and IPv6 Message-ID: <1236868439.13405.221.camel@karl> Hi there. Has anyone had tftpd working with IPv6? 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I suspect it doesn't run an "apt-get clean" (I wouldn't notice, >> anyway: besides the fact that release upgrades only happen twice a year, >> I use apt-move to clean out the apt archive, weekly), so if you're really >> short on disk space, running that is always a good start. > > I meant remove as in equivalent to apt-get remove, not apt-get clean. > apt-get clean is certainly harmless and worth a try, though the cache is > never that large. It can be - especially after a system upgrade, which is why I was wondering if the upgrade really does do a "clean". It would make sense, but I don't think it does. My apt cache is currently 765MB - that could be significant on a Mini. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 12 14:58:16 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:58:16 -0300 Subject: Common call for launching file browser References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > I do not know that there can be a single linux equivalent. Windows is a > single operating system that uses "explorer.exe" as a file manager. > Linux is a very wide range of operating systems all based on the kernel > written by Linus. tsk, tsk :-) Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. -- derek From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 12 15:23:31 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:23:31 -0400 Subject: Amazon S3 file system? In-Reply-To: <49B8EBFF.2070904@haskinferguson.net> References: <49B8EBFF.2070904@haskinferguson.net> Message-ID: <49B928F3.9010806@gatech.edu> Denis Haskin wrote: > There seem to be a plethora (well, at least a few) implementations of a > file system backed by Amazon S3 (s3fs, s3fs-fuse, etc). Recommendations > pro/con? > > In particular, I was hoping to find one that *didn't* store the file > system monolithically on S3, but the individual files, so they were > still easily accessible from outside the filesystem. Or maybe that's > impossible, and I should be looking at mounting the S3 bucket via WebDAV? There are some filesystems like http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon that do this, but they're obviously arbitrarily limited. S3 has a maximize object size of 5 GB, so this approach means you won't be storing any dual-layer DVD images. Further, where are you going to store directory metadata? It seems like a waste to create a object for each directory. Matt Flaschen From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 12 14:41:19 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:41:19 -0300 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14576759.SINigDQmno@cedar.serverforest.com> David M. Karr wrote: > There's a disconnect here. Either the applications menu needs to > provide a "Properties" item that shows the full path to the application, > or the "Add Startup Program" dialog needs to allow selection of an > application from the Applications menu. I could see adding both of > these. The latter is friendlier to less experienced users. The former > is more general-purpose. > > I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on > this. I think they're both good ideas, but you missed a third option - why can't the context menu for applications offer a "add to startup programs" option? -- derek From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 15:26:56 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:26:56 -0400 Subject: Zenity pop up on remote desktop Message-ID: Hi All I remember having this conversation before (maybe the Debian users mailing list?) a while ago, but don't remember the outcome. I want to pop up an informational window on a remote computer. e.g. zenity --warning --text 'hi mom' does what I want on the computer I'm sitting at, but if I ssh into a remote machine and run that command you get 'cant open display' even if run as the user that currently owns the desktop. How do I get it running on that display? Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 15:30:55 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:55 -0400 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <14576759.SINigDQmno@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <14576759.SINigDQmno@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > David M. Karr wrote: > >> There's a disconnect here.  Either the applications menu needs to >> provide a "Properties" item that shows the full path to the application, >> or the "Add Startup Program" dialog needs to allow selection of an >> application from the Applications menu.  I could see adding both of >> these.  The latter is friendlier to less experienced users.  The former >> is more general-purpose. >> >> I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on >> this. > > I think they're both good ideas, but you missed a third option - why can't > the context menu for applications offer a "add to startup programs" option? a lå OSX ? Yep - that is the nicest option I think. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10895/ Brian From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 12 14:55:39 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:55:39 -0300 Subject: Common call for launching file browser References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2385800.8OnaLxmHAy@cedar.serverforest.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Alain Muls wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I work in a team (windows and linux) which develop programs using Qt for >> both systems. One of the windows team has created a functionality which >> opens the file browser (explorer) to browse through files. She uses >> >> explorer c:\mydir >> >> What is a linux equivalent for doing a similar thing that will work in >> both KDE and GNOME (and perhaps also XFCE or other window managers)? > > Try xdg-open Glad you could remmber it. I knew it existed. > > see http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ for more info. I don't know > how widely adopted this is currently > > (in other words, I know it works on Gnome - I'll leave the testing of > the others to you :-) If you look at the code, you'll see it's written for Gnome, KDE and XFCE - and I can attest it works for KDE. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 12 14:52:41 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:52:41 -0300 Subject: Curser button in the keyboard References: <49B8960A.7020900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2696786.05KqmAZLsW@cedar.serverforest.com> Harold Hartley wrote: > I have this curser botton in the middle of my keyboard and I can't Man, I need one of those curser buttons, so that I can push one key and get "!@#$%^&*!!!!" :-) > remember what file I need to modify so I can disable it so when I type > it won't send my curser off to the top or side and its hard to get it to > stop moving so I can use my touchpad. What exactly do you mean by "cursor button"? Something like IBM uses - like a pencil eraser between the G & H keys? -- derek From larryesu at charter.net Thu Mar 12 15:39:43 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:39:43 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> Message-ID: <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> Torbjørn Thorsen - Nextline wrote: > Larry Shields wrote: > >> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... >> >> Thanks for any help... >> >> Larry >> * >> >> > > http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. > > First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? > > -- Torbjørn > > *Thanks for the info, now the regedit brings up all of the directorys, but I am having a problem in reading any of the text... This is the problem I am trying to fix, caused by nvidia-96xxx legacy driver... This is the problem I am trying to fix, they say to edit the register, change the setting to [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Wine\X11 Driver] "ClientSideWithRender"="N" * *So when I type regedit it brings up the editor, showing 6 dir's, now not knowing which dir to go into to edit this I am at a loss...For I can not read any of them... If you could tell me which dir to click on, this may help...??? Thanks Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 15:51:03 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:03 -0400 Subject: Disk space went away after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090310220428.27589.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: John Conover wrote: > The auto upgrade of the recent Ubuntu in a Dell Mini 9 left very > little disk space. Was there something that was supposed to be > removed? > > Thanks, > > John > Please be a bit more specific. Auto upgrade does not install any new packages that are not needed, AFAIK. The output of the following command in a terminal will be useful to see what is going on: $> df -h -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. 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URL: From smoot at tic.com Thu Mar 12 16:00:51 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:00:51 -0700 Subject: Zenity pop up on remote desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236873651.1403.20.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 11:26 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > Hi All > > I remember having this conversation before (maybe the Debian users > mailing list?) a while ago, but don't remember the outcome. > > I want to pop up an informational window on a remote computer. > e.g. zenity --warning --text 'hi mom' > does what I want on the computer I'm sitting at, but if I ssh into a > remote machine and run that command you get 'cant open display' even > if run as the user that currently owns the desktop. How do I get it > running on that display? You need to turn on X11 forwarding. It is off by default. You need to turn it on on both the client and server. Client config file is /etc/ssh/ssh_config and the server config file is /etc/ssh/sshd_config. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 16:18:16 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:18:16 -0400 Subject: Zenity pop up on remote desktop In-Reply-To: <1236873651.1403.20.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <1236873651.1403.20.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 11:26 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I remember having this conversation before (maybe the Debian users >> mailing list?) a while ago, but don't remember the outcome. >> >> I want to pop up an informational window on a remote computer. >> e.g. zenity --warning --text 'hi mom' >> does what I want on the computer I'm sitting at, but if I ssh into a >> remote machine and run that command you get 'cant open display' even >> if run as the user that currently owns the desktop.  How do I get it >> running on that display? > > You need to turn on X11 forwarding.  It is off by default.  You need to > turn it on on both the client and server.  Client config file > is /etc/ssh/ssh_config and the server config file > is /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Am I misunderstanding where you are going with this hint? I don't want to run it locally, I don't want to display it locally. The ssh session could be started on something without X at all. I want the X11 server on the remote end to display something on the currently running X session on the remote end. I don't want anything on my end. Brian From jw at raven.inka.de Thu Mar 12 16:17:00 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:17:00 +0100 Subject: How to generate printer ppd for cups? In-Reply-To: References: <20090311230257.GA26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <20090312161700.GB26877@raven.wolf.lan> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 08:38:08AM +0000, Bill Marcum wrote: > On 2009-03-11, Josef Wolf wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to know how the cups-gutenprint drivers are created. When I > > install a printer with system-config-printer.py, I get a ppd which > > seems to be auto-generated. At least, I can't find any file in > > /usr/share/ppd with the same NickName as the file that gets installed > > into /etc/cups/ppds. For example, I'd like to install this driver: > > > > "HP LaserJet 4 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.0-rc1" > > > > Since I have to configure lots of boxes, running system-config-printer.py > > interactively on every box is no option for me. Ideally, I'd > > run a script, that takes the required information on the command line > > instead of letting me enter interactively into the GUI. > > > Once you have a ppd file in /etc/cups/ppd, you can copy it to other > machines. The gutenprint package apparently uses data from xml files > in /usr/share/gutenprint. Thanks for the answer, Bill! But I am not really sure this is going to work in all cases. The cups troubleshooting page [1] suggests that whether a given printer will work depends also on installed filters and much more. [1] http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/VII.cups-help/VII.cups-help.html From ubuntu at swhi.net Thu Mar 12 16:26:27 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:26:27 -0400 Subject: Laptop lockups In-Reply-To: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> References: <49B71640.0@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49B937B3.6020403@swhi.net> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I have a friend that is running 8.04 on a Dell Precision M2300. He tried > using 8.10 on it, but said that it would lock up tight at random time > intervals. He said the logs were empty of errors from the time of the > freezes, pointer locked, keyboard, etc...nothing responded. Not even > connecting remotely from another system into the laptop would work, so > even the network stack stopped responding. > > He reverted to 8.04 and said it's okay with him because it works fine > for his needs, but did anyone else run into behavior like this in moving > 8.04 to 8.10? > > -Bart > I had this very issue on a Dell Inspiron 9400 (E1705), but only when 8.10 was installed on the entire disk using default partitioning. I later decided to have a small M$ partition at the front of the drive and manually installed Intrepid on the back end with a custom scheme (/ for most of the remaining space after M$, then a 4GB swap at the end - the system has 2GB RAM). Since doing that, I've not had any lockups at all and have since deleted M$ from the front partition and reduced that partition in size to a mere 512MB. I have NO IDEA why this worked, but it did for me. HTH, YMMV, -Ray From arvindkhadri at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 16:29:56 2009 From: arvindkhadri at gmail.com (Khadri Arvind) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:59:56 +0530 Subject: Problems with repository id In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236875396.7703.1.camel@debian.arvind> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 15:09 +0000, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:00:23 -0400 > From: "Eric S. Johansson" > Subject: problems with repository id > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I've tried to incorporate a couple of external repositories because I > need the > packages (bzr, wine, and now netmanager). In the past, when this > happened, I > can get the system to cooperate long enough to add the new keys by > deleting > certain magic files. this time, no luck. Nothing works. I've double > checked > with the development team and this is the right key. I'm not sure how > to verify > the signature so I'm very confused. any assistance would be greatly > appreciated. > > > ---eric > > W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following > signatures > couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: > NO_PUBKEY > D702BF6B8C6C1EFD Follow this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6649356 From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Mar 12 16:46:38 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:46:38 +0100 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> Message-ID: Larry Shields wrote: > Torbjørn Thorsen - Nextline wrote: >> Larry Shields wrote: >> >>> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... >>> >>> Thanks for any help... >>> >>> Larry >>> * >>> >>> >> http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. >> >> First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? >> >> -- Torbjørn >> >> > *Thanks for the info, now the regedit brings up all of the directorys, > but I am having a problem in reading any of the text... > This is the problem I am trying to fix, caused by nvidia-96xxx legacy > driver... > > This is the problem I am trying to fix, they say to edit the register, > change the setting to > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Wine\X11 Driver] > "ClientSideWithRender"="N" > * > *So when I type regedit it brings up the editor, showing 6 dir's, now > not knowing which dir to go into to edit this I am at a loss...For I can > not read any of them... > > If you could tell me which dir to click on, this may help...??? > > Thanks Larry > * > I do not fully understand. Is your X fully garbled or just wine? Depending on the answer you could either try to use ssh -X localhost or ssh -X from a remote machine and then start regedit. Alternatively, if you send me your PM, I could send you back a screenshot of the regedit window. Kind regards Eberhard From smoot at tic.com Thu Mar 12 17:01:49 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:01:49 -0700 Subject: Zenity pop up on remote desktop In-Reply-To: References: <1236873651.1403.20.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <1236877309.1403.85.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:18 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > > You need to turn on X11 forwarding. It is off by default. You need to > > turn it on on both the client and server. Client config file > > is /etc/ssh/ssh_config and the server config file > > is /etc/ssh/sshd_config. > > Am I misunderstanding where you are going with this hint? > I don't want to run it locally, I don't want to display it locally. > The ssh session could be started on something without X at all. > I want the X11 server on the remote end to display something on the > currently running X session on the remote end. > I don't want anything on my end. I misunderstood you. Your problem is a little more difficult, since the local X display is probably owned by another login process. Here is one way of handling the situation. As the display owner run: xhost + at localhost This allows anyone on the local machine to gain access to the X display. This does pose some security risks. Then when you login using SSH, you can run: export DISPLAY=:0.0 Now you should be able to access the local display. If you are remotely logged in as the same user, you should only have to export the correct X display. The xhost command appears to be unnecessary, since the same .Xauthorty file is used. The other method is to export the Xcookie database for the use owning the display to the user running the remote command. I will leave it as an exercise how you would export the cookies to the other user. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Thu Mar 12 17:46:07 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:46:07 -0400 Subject: CUPS printer driver modification Message-ID: <49B94A5F.70606@k-wbookworm.com> I have an Epson FX-850 printer that I cannot find a driver for. Is it possible to modify the standard Dot Matrix driver that comes preinstalled in CUPS? How would I go about that? I have all of the manuals for the printer. 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Brian From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 12 18:41:28 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:41:28 -0600 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090312124128.0af2642c@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:58:16 -0300 Derek Broughton wrote: > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > I do not know that there can be a single linux equivalent. Windows > > is a single operating system that uses "explorer.exe" as a file > > manager. Linux is a very wide range of operating systems all based > > on the kernel written by Linus. > > tsk, tsk :-) > > Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! > > As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult > (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the > desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. (hanging my head in shame) yes, I should have known that. Thanks for the reminder. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From evuraan at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 18:57:12 2009 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?=) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:57:12 -0700 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition Message-ID: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> Greetings y'all..! Seen this sort of behaviour before? : mybash:> a="7540113804746346429" mybash:> b="4660046610375530309" mybash:> let c=(a+b) mybash:> echo $c -6246583658587674878 The correct answer should have been: 12200160415121876738 mybash:> echo "$a+$b" |bc -l 12200160415121876738 mybash:> bash --version GNU bash, version 3.2.25(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. mybash:> I know, I can use bc,dc,awk, python and even a desk calculator wide enough :) - but, I am curious as to why is "let" letting us down? Does a known bug exist already? Any input would be much appreciated, many thanks in advance.! From daevid at daevid.com Thu Mar 12 19:12:43 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:43 -0700 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236885163.5979.3.camel@psedev1> Well, whenever I see a negative number, my first inclination is you've got a SIGNED INTEGER (vs. UNSIGNED) and so you hit MAXINT and flipped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signedness -----Original Message----- From: Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍ Reply-to: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:57:12 -0700 Greetings y'all..! Seen this sort of behaviour before? : mybash:> a="7540113804746346429" mybash:> b="4660046610375530309" mybash:> let c=(a+b) mybash:> echo $c -6246583658587674878 The correct answer should have been: 12200160415121876738 mybash:> echo "$a+$b" |bc -l 12200160415121876738 mybash:> bash --version GNU bash, version 3.2.25(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. mybash:> I know, I can use bc,dc,awk, python and even a desk calculator wide enough :) - but, I am curious as to why is "let" letting us down? Does a known bug exist already? Any input would be much appreciated, many thanks in advance.! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larryesu at charter.net Thu Mar 12 19:57:03 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:57:03 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> Message-ID: <49B9690F.6060901@charter.net> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Larry Shields wrote: > >> Torbjørn Thorsen - Nextline wrote: >> >>> Larry Shields wrote: >>> >>> >>>> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help... >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. >>> >>> First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? >>> >>> -- Torbjørn >>> >>> >>> >> *Thanks for the info, now the regedit brings up all of the directorys, >> but I am having a problem in reading any of the text... >> This is the problem I am trying to fix, caused by nvidia-96xxx legacy >> driver... >> >> This is the problem I am trying to fix, they say to edit the register, >> change the setting to >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Wine\X11 Driver] >> "ClientSideWithRender"="N" >> * >> *So when I type regedit it brings up the editor, showing 6 dir's, now >> not knowing which dir to go into to edit this I am at a loss...For I can >> not read any of them... >> >> If you could tell me which dir to click on, this may help...??? >> >> Thanks Larry >> * >> >> > I do not fully understand. Is your X fully garbled or just wine? > > Depending on the answer you could either try to use ssh -X localhost > or ssh -X from a remote machine and then start regedit. > > Alternatively, if you send me your PM, I could send you back a > screenshot of the regedit window. > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > > *Hello again Eberhard, No there is nothing wrong with X is with the nvidia-96xx driver... Go to wine http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ click Frequently Asked Question... Under troubleshooting click on #22, this will explain to you what I am trying to do... Also here is a pic of what the text looks like... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" 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It will work, but complains of bad syntax: >>> $ ps auxwwf > ps.txt >>> >> >> Yep, that works. I couldn't get it to work with the dash either. >> > > It works just as well with the dash. You get an error message when you >> ps.txt because all the other stdout output went into ps.txt, wheras > the error message about the - is stderr and gets visibly displayed on > the screen. The error message should still be there when you don't > re-direct, but gets lost in all the other output. > Ah... you are correct - thanks. $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html $ ls ps.txt ps.txt From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 20:45:43 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:43 -0700 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> References: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: On 03/11/2009 06:47 AM, Rashkae wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> >> $ ps -auxwwf | more >> makes it easier to view/read via the terminal. Do you know of a way to >> get that to pipe to a text file? >> > > I'm sorry, this confuses me. It looks like your asking how to re-direct > to a file, but my brain grinds to a halt because: > > 1. who you are. > > 2. you answer the question yourself next paragraph down. > I was getting confused by the resulting error msg from: $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html thinking that is wasn't actually piping the output to the file. But as you've pointed out in another post in this thread, it does work after all :-) From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:06:33 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:06:33 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question Message-ID: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ more ex75.c //********************************************************************* // Program Convert: this program converts feet and inches to centimeters // using 1 inch = 2.54 CM. //*********************************************************************** #include using namespace std; // Named constants const double conversion = 2.54; const int inchesPerFoot = 12; int main() { // declare variables int feet; int inches; int totalInches; double centimeter; // Statements: Step 1 - Step 7 cout<<"Enter two integers, one for feet, " <<" one for inches: "; //Step1 (line 24) cin< find it, then install it. > > I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me > the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the > application. Not all menu items will have a full path, but an quick and easy way to see what the properties are (rather than having to wait for the Edit Menu to grind itself into motion) is to go to the menu icon, right click and 'Add this launcher to panel'. Then right click the icon on the panel and select 'Properties'. In the 'Command' section you'll either see a full path w/command, or in many cases just a system command ('ooffice -writer %U' for example). When finished just remove the icon from the panel. > > Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session > startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to > browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full > path to an executable. Cut&Paste the information from the 'Command' section above. > > There's a disconnect here. Either the applications menu needs to > provide a "Properties" item that shows the full path to the application, > or the "Add Startup Program" dialog needs to allow selection of an > application from the Applications menu. I could see adding both of > these. The latter is friendlier to less experienced users. The former > is more general-purpose. > > I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on this. > I agree that the above is a 'workaround'. You may find this of interest/irritation if you are using Intrepid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/249373 [gnome-session storing broken in intrepid] As for filing a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session [Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478806 From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:25:39 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:25:39 -0400 Subject: OT: C++ Question In-Reply-To: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl Larsen wrote: > > karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ g++ ex75.c > ex75.c: In function ‘int main()’: > ex75.c:24: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘std::cin << feet’ > karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ > > > > As you can see the little c++ example from the book does not compile. I > added the (line 24) so you readers can see what line the g++ compiler > see's an error. I simply can't see the error and so need some help. > > Your welcome to try it on your Linux and I hope you do. statement should be: cn >> feet ... Moreover, your example you gave about does not compile anyway. I get: $> g++ -Wall foo.c -o foo foo.c: In function ‘int main()’: foo.c:19: error: ‘line’ was not declared in this scope foo.c:19: error: expected `)' before numeric constant Fix that. Try again. Advice: use the usual c++ source code file extensions for c++ source code (cc, cpp, c++, etc.). -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:34:34 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:34:34 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> H.S. wrote: > Karl Larsen wrote: > >> karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ g++ ex75.c >> ex75.c: In function ‘int main()’: >> ex75.c:24: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘std::cin << feet’ >> karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ >> >> >> >> As you can see the little c++ example from the book does not compile. I >> added the (line 24) so you readers can see what line the g++ compiler >> see's an error. I simply can't see the error and so need some help. >> >> Your welcome to try it on your Linux and I hope you do. >> > > > statement should be: > cn >> feet ... > > Moreover, your example you gave about does not compile anyway. I get: > $> g++ -Wall foo.c -o foo > foo.c: In function ‘int main()’: > foo.c:19: error: ‘line’ was not declared in this scope > foo.c:19: error: expected `)' before numeric constant > > > Fix that. Try again. > > Advice: use the usual c++ source code file extensions for c++ source > code (cc, cpp, c++, etc.). > > > > > > > Hi and thanks for your work. I will use .cc from now on, if the joe editor will do color with that. The color helps me. I fixed the source code by erasing the entire line: cin>>feet>>inches; and then retyping it in. I find c++ a whole lot more unforgiving of typing gliches. I need to believe what g++ gives as an error and just retype it right away. Thank you Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:50:13 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:13 -0400 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Hi and thanks for your work. I will use .cc from now on, if the joe > editor will do color with that. The color helps me. You are welcome. There are many editors which provide syntac highlighting. I have not used joe editor, but if it syntax highlights C, it most probably syntax highlights C++ as well. > > I fixed the source code by erasing the entire line: > cin>>feet>>inches; > and then retyping it in. My point was the the compiler error message you have earlier could not have been right with the source you gave along with it. > > I find c++ a whole lot more unforgiving of typing gliches. I need to Which language is? > believe what g++ gives as an error and just retype it right away. > > Thank you > > Karl > > -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:58:32 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:58:32 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B98588.4040205@gmail.com> H.S. wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Hi and thanks for your work. I will use .cc from now on, if the joe >> editor will do color with that. The color helps me. >> > > You are welcome. There are many editors which provide syntac > highlighting. I have not used joe editor, but if it syntax highlights C, > it most probably syntax highlights C++ as well. > Yes! In fact with .cc it follows the color in the book much better. > >> I fixed the source code by erasing the entire line: >> cin>>feet>>inches; >> and then retyping it in. >> > > My point was the the compiler error message you have earlier could not > have been right with the source you gave along with it. > > >> I find c++ a whole lot more unforgiving of typing gliches. I need to >> > > Which language is? > > None. >> believe what g++ gives as an error and just retype it right away. >> >> Thank you >> >> Karl >> >> >> > > > Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From lists at xdna.net Thu Mar 12 22:07:13 2009 From: lists at xdna.net (Cameron Hutchison) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:07:13 -0000 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a21.49b98791.cd65@getafix.xdna.net> =?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?= writes: >Seen this sort of behaviour before? : >mybash:> a="7540113804746346429" >mybash:> b="4660046610375530309" >mybash:> let c=(a+b) >mybash:> echo $c >-6246583658587674878 Both a and b are 63-bit numbers. It looks like bash is using signed 64-bit numbers for its arithmetic, as your arithmetic will overflow when performed with signed 64-bit numbers. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:29:10 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:29:10 -0600 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition In-Reply-To: <7a21.49b98791.cd65@getafix.xdna.net> References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> <7a21.49b98791.cd65@getafix.xdna.net> Message-ID: <49B98CB6.4060702@gmail.com> Cameron Hutchison wrote: > =?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?= writes: > > >> Seen this sort of behaviour before? : >> > > >> mybash:> a="7540113804746346429" >> mybash:> b="4660046610375530309" >> mybash:> let c=(a+b) >> mybash:> echo $c >> -6246583658587674878 >> > > Both a and b are 63-bit numbers. It looks like bash is using signed > 64-bit numbers for its arithmetic, as your arithmetic will overflow when > performed with signed 64-bit numbers. > > > Yes it has to be too big numbers. On my Hardy it works fine with small numbers: karl at karl-hardy:~$ a="3" karl at karl-hardy:~$ b="6" karl at karl-hardy:~$ let c=(a+b) karl at karl-hardy:~$ echo $c 9 Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From markfpyles at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:39:02 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:39:02 -0400 Subject: How to extract page(s) from a multiple page PDF document Message-ID: <49B98F06.4060005@gmail.com> Hi everyone: I am using Ubuntu 8.10(Gnome Desktop)on a Dell Inspiron 1525. I am using PDFedit(the graphical user interface) and cannot figure out how to extract a page or pages from a multipage PDF that was sent to me. I have checked the help file, but it offered no help whatsoever. I also tried opening up the PDF in gscan2pdf but it showed my documents in all black and white (which the original pdf pages are not). The wording on the page was white but the background was all black. Kind of like how the old copier machines used to copy pages back in the day. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 22:39:30 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:39:30 -0700 Subject: How to generate printer ppd for cups? In-Reply-To: <20090311230257.GA26877@raven.wolf.lan> References: <20090311230257.GA26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: On 03/11/2009 04:02 PM, Josef Wolf wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to know how the cups-gutenprint drivers are created. When I > install a printer with system-config-printer.py, I get a ppd which > seems to be auto-generated. At least, I can't find any file in > /usr/share/ppd with the same NickName as the file that gets installed > into /etc/cups/ppds. For example, I'd like to install this driver: > > "HP LaserJet 4 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.0-rc1" > > Since I have to configure lots of boxes, running system-config-printer.py > interactively on every box is no option for me. Ideally, I'd > run a script, that takes the required information on the command line > instead of letting me enter interactively into the GUI. > > On other distros, I can install some package that contain the desired > PPDs, so I can simply give the desired ppd as command line argument > to lpadmin. Am I really forced to use this GUI crap in ubuntu? > These may help: http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/developer-html/book1.html http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/developer-html/c200.html and if you look at the supplied files: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/cupsys-driver-gutenprint You'll see cups-genppd. I _think_ that these are what you are looking for. $ man cups-genppd $ cups-genppdconfig $ cups-genppdupdate provides info on how you can manually generate the ppd files. Also checkout the faq: file:///usr/share/doc/cupsys-driver-gutenprint/FAQ.html Regarding /etc/cups/ppd; if you've installed a printer and selected the gutenprint driver, a file for that printer will be created in /etc/cups/ppd. An easy way to tell which is which, is by naming the printer accordingly when you install it from the GUI, example: HPLG4Gutenprint. Once you've done that, you'll see it named in the /etc/cups/ppd folder as 'HPLG4Gutenprint'. You can then copy, modify, push that file to your other systems. From cr33dog at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:48:43 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:48:43 -0500 Subject: How to extract page(s) from a multiple page PDF document In-Reply-To: <49B98F06.4060005@gmail.com> References: <49B98F06.4060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Mark Pyles wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I am using Ubuntu 8.10(Gnome Desktop)on a Dell Inspiron 1525. I am using > PDFedit(the graphical user interface) and cannot figure out how to > extract a page or pages from a multipage PDF that was sent to me. I have > checked the help file, but it offered no help whatsoever. Check 'man pdftk'. $ pdftk input.pdf cat 2 4 output output.pdf That will take pages 2 and 4 from input.pdf and write them to output.pdf. I can't live w/o pdftk (PDF toolkit) ;) Chris From owen.townend at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:55:41 2009 From: owen.townend at gmail.com (Owen Townend) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:55:41 +1100 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/13 H.S. : > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>     Hi and thanks for your work. I will use .cc from now on, if the joe >> editor will do color with that. The color helps me. > > You are welcome. There are many editors which provide syntac > highlighting. I have not used joe editor, but if it syntax highlights C, > it most probably syntax highlights C++ as well. > >> >>     I fixed the source code by erasing the entire line: >>    cin>>feet>>inches; >> and then retyping it in. > > My point was the the compiler error message you have earlier could not > have been right with the source you gave along with it. > > [snip] [add quote from earlier] > Moreover, your example you gave about does not compile anyway. I get: > $> g++ -Wall foo.c -o foo > foo.c: In function ‘int main()’: > foo.c:19: error: ‘line’ was not declared in this scope > foo.c:19: error: expected `)' before numeric constant This error is from the '(line 24)' comment Karl added to point at the line g++ was complaining about. Karl: If/when you ask a question like this try adding your code comments (such as the one above) as valid c++ comments so that people trying to help get the same error when copy/paste/compiling your code. cheers, Owen. From diesch at spamfence.net Thu Mar 12 23:50:03 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:50:03 +0100 Subject: Yum's groupremove? In-Reply-To: <2baac6140903090458m18d93c59ha2ba8e5b8dc7eb31@mail.gmail.com> (Devon Harding's message of "Mon\, 9 Mar 2009 07\:58\:12 -0400") References: <2baac6140903081743r56010a3cya931c33e15a2ef7f@mail.gmail.com> <87zlfv83gs.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <2baac6140903090458m18d93c59ha2ba8e5b8dc7eb31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bps6713o.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Devon Harding wrote: >> >> What does yum's groupremove do? >> > It allows you to remove all packages associated with a particular software > group, say 'X Windows System' Ubuntu doesn't have this. I guess it can be done with a bit of shell scripting. To install a minimum system see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems Florian -- From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 12 23:34:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:34:56 -0400 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B99C20.4020907@gatech.edu> Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍ wrote: > I know, I can use bc,dc,awk, python and even a desk calculator wide > enough :) - but, I am curious as to why is "let" letting us down? First of all, it is nothing specific to let, as you can see from: echo $((7540113804746346429+4660046610375530309)) Second, if you use the source (apt-get source, or just look at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/Current/bash-76.2/bash/expr.c) you can see: "All arithmetic is done as intmax_t integers with no checking for overflow (though division by 0 is caught and flagged as an error)." In this case, intmax_t is obviously a 64-bit signed two's complement integer. Your some exceeds that bound, hence the overflow into a negative. Now, if you're wondering "How come that's the limit? Where is it specified?" it /isn't/. Math is not in the POSIX shell specification (http://www.unixinfo.org/books/ProUnixShellProg/ProUnixShellProg-Posix.html), so bash considers itself free to provide as much or as little as it likes. You are right to use bc if you crave more. It is /documented/ (http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/bc.html) to support arbitrary precision. Matt Flaschen From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 23:54:36 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WiFi problems... In-Reply-To: <49B8A145.5010800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <863667.99749.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Roy Smith wrote: > From: Roy Smith > Subject: Re: WiFi problems... > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:44 AM > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Roy Smith > > Ok I'll give that a shot. Should have mentioned that I > was using the > Hardy Heron V8.04 version of Ubuntu, but I'm in the > process right now > of updating to the 8.10 version. If I still have problems > after the > upgrade I'll give wicd a try. I'll post an update > when I'm done. > Let me add that I'm one of those who had problems with network manager on both hardy and intrepid with my wifi card and wicd worked for me in both. However, I have no experience or insight with the Belkin adapters. YMMV, don't forget to google for the Belkin card and good luck. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 23:58:53 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:58:53 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> Owen Townend wrote: > 2009/3/13 H.S. : > >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >>> Hi and thanks for your work. I will use .cc from now on, if the joe >>> editor will do color with that. The color helps me. >>> >> You are welcome. There are many editors which provide syntac >> highlighting. I have not used joe editor, but if it syntax highlights C, >> it most probably syntax highlights C++ as well. >> >> >>> I fixed the source code by erasing the entire line: >>> cin>>feet>>inches; >>> and then retyping it in. >>> >> My point was the the compiler error message you have earlier could not >> have been right with the source you gave along with it. >> >> >> > [snip] > > [add quote from earlier] > >> Moreover, your example you gave about does not compile anyway. I get: >> $> g++ -Wall foo.c -o foo >> foo.c: In function ‘int main()’: >> foo.c:19: error: ‘line’ was not declared in this scope >> foo.c:19: error: expected `)' before numeric constant >> > > This error is from the '(line 24)' comment Karl added to point at the > line g++ was complaining about. > > Karl: If/when you ask a question like this try adding your code > comments (such as the one above) as valid c++ comments so that people > trying to help get the same error when copy/paste/compiling your code. > > cheers, > Owen. > > I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up other parts. I am thinking perhaps a source code should be sent as a file attached to the message. Can you do that. I will try...I have attached "ex78.cc" so see if you can play with that. It works :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. 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I've been trying to install ubuntu on my new laptop but I've forgot what I did the last time to get it to work, now when I boot I get the following messages "acpi#0 not found (buggy bios)" and "ata1 soft reset failed (device not ready)" and "ata2 soft reset failed (device not ready)". The install then goes onto trying to boot into the graphical mode and fails, the installation is not proceeding from that point onward and I'm left at a command prompt. I've tried the acpi=off, noapic and nolapic options to no avail. I have been able to install arch linux successfully on the laptop by giving the boot parameter rootdelay=8. I've tried 8.10 alternative dvd 64-bit and jaunty alpha-5 64-bit. The problem with the 8.10 install is also that the radeonhd driver is the older 1.2.1 version which is not sufficient for the ATI RadeonHD 3470 x2. I would like to install Ubuntu on the laptop but I'm willing to leave Arch on it. //Matthias -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJuaKAAAoJEDF8u+ZDBCZ5SKIH/1oh9o/iyJrKAREIKrs0+R4Y mmMXEUzNFwBWAh8oWPI8Y3bW9QpQJy+wGgWGj5wMfDkkNdU+KevH2jdyai3vnhzi yIdT8DAfoEuGsrJilYdVeJmMQfSFJvUsVBopmU1Nh9G+dKrZ2B699g9qOgcF/gWY pNWYwfJ+9yAyKawYU7sPAG5bOgcOvSeIMhKPU4RgSJPG7VviJU8CtDpEkIRvuFq8 d+TBzqVX+TkdrEVRIaxDp1ufz3KMZppuJEkCV4/H+XGVy51HzCcCENo5ankJQvFl +3SaDCxCWDSLGhXuNnfTQzXBbHI2Ghb5irCADkuUwvxWT8FeY7okXvg6ccJb5hU= =He9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 00:41:08 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:41:08 -0700 Subject: How to make cron send mail from a nonexistent address? Message-ID: <49B9ABA4.3070703@gmail.com> No, I'm not planning on setting up a spam house. :) I have some cron jobs that send their results to my Gmail account. I read my Gmail in Thunderbird. I've discovered that Gmail has a "feature" such that mail sent from me to me will not be downloaded in a POP request. I have a feeling that if I munge the "from" address of the cron email, this will avoid this problem. I know to set "MAILTO" in the crontab to set where cron sends mail to, but I don't see an obvious way to change the FROM address used (not surprising). I would imagine that Google's SMTP probably barfs on mail authenticating with one address, but specifying a different from address. I've read about (and used) the information about reconfiguring the "/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template" file to route mail through Gmail SMTP, but I don't see anything obvious in those options. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 00:48:30 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:48:30 -0700 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> Message-ID: On 03/12/2009 08:39 AM, Larry Shields wrote: > Torbjørn Thorsen - Nextline wrote: >> Larry Shields wrote: >> >>> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... >>> >>> Thanks for any help... >>> >>> Larry >>> * >>> >>> >> >> http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. >> >> First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? >> >> -- Torbjørn >> >> > *Thanks for the info, now the regedit brings up all of the directorys, > but I am having a problem in reading any of the text... > This is the problem I am trying to fix, caused by nvidia-96xxx legacy > driver... > > This is the problem I am trying to fix, they say to edit the register, > change the setting to > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Wine\X11 Driver] > "ClientSideWithRender"="N" > * > *So when I type regedit it brings up the editor, showing 6 dir's, now > not knowing which dir to go into to edit this I am at a loss...For I can > not read any of them... > > If you could tell me which dir to click on, this may help...??? > > Thanks Larry > * > You still messing with that issue? http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16146 http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1838646#post1838646 Using wine? Create a txt (settings.txt) file in fx your home folder containing this: Code: [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\X11 Driver] "ClientSideWithRender"="N" Go to a terminal window and write: Code: regedit settings.txt Remember to reboot your system after installing the driver. Maybe that will help? What happens when you did that? Also, you can manually edit the file: http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/wine-user/registry So, you open ~/.wine/user.reg and add to the bottome of the file: [Software\\Wine\\X11 Driver] 1236900048 "ClientSideWithRender"="N" The only bit that I'm not sure of is the '1236900048' value. That's what I get on this system when I 'regedit settings.txt', but on another system it is '1236904239'. You can try leaving off the '123...' and see if it gives you a workable enough view that you can then run 'regedit' and edit from there. From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 12 23:54:49 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:54:49 -0300 Subject: How to install GUI for Debian References: Message-ID: <11697016.HHKA953yT7@cedar.serverforest.com> Bùi ??ng Chung wrote: > Hi! I've just tried to install Debian Linux on VMWare Machine, but after > that, I can't see the GUI for it (though Debian have GUI). So could you > help me some guide for this problem? Thanks you so much! That's rather difficult. Firstly, this list is for Ubuntu, not Debian. Secondly, Ubuntu and Debian have _multiple_ GUIs, so any advice you could be given might be wrong anyway. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 23:05:13 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:05:13 -0700 Subject: CUPS printer driver modification In-Reply-To: <49B94A5F.70606@k-wbookworm.com> References: <49B94A5F.70606@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: On 03/12/2009 10:46 AM, Keith Clark wrote: > I have an Epson FX-850 printer that I cannot find a driver for. Is it > possible to modify the standard Dot Matrix driver that comes > preinstalled in CUPS? How would I go about that? I have all of the > manuals for the printer. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Have you tried the standard included epson 9-pin driver? You might also put it in IBM mode and try the IBM Proprinter driver. http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-FX-850 http://omniprint.sourceforge.net/ http://omniprint.sourceforge.net/DEVICES.LST http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=18713 Also check: http://forums.openprinting.org/list.php?26 From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 00:06:09 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:06:09 -0300 Subject: smbclient and Authentication References: <200903122107.n2CL7M8Z087787@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <1424182.RmsMhZtHy3@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin McCormick wrote: > I had a smbclient application on a FreeBSD system that > worked fine with the Windows system it was supposed to > communicate with. We changed to ubuntu-server in order to get > better RS-232 performance and certainly got it. > > My question is whether the .smbauth file containing the > user name and Windows password works the same way under Linux afaik, it doesn't work at all. (there are no .smbauth files on my system) > that it does under FreeBSD. Under FreeBSD, one uses .smbauth to > send that information when doing a script. One's Unix password > as in passwd, has no bearing on this Windows password which is > in .smbauth. Is there any difference in the way this works under > ubuntu? In ubuntu (I doubt it's consistent across Linuxes) you use "smbpasswd" (a system command not a file) to set passwords for accessing SMB files on _your_ system. For accessing files on other systems there are various options - you can use "mount -t cifs" and a credentials file, or KDE stores a client password and I expect Gnome does something similar. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 00:01:17 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:01:17 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <1976007.Lk7NW3ulj1@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > I was getting confused by the resulting error msg from: > > $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt > Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See > http://procps.sf.net/faq.html > ps is "special". It takes iirc GNU and BSD options - and while they may sometimes be the same letter codes, sometimes they aren't. So 'a' and '-a' are the same, but 'u' and '-u' aren't, and '-u' expects a user id. -- derek From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 13 00:56:48 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:56:48 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <49B512D6.2030605@gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> <49B512D6.2030605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9AF50.7050000@gatech.edu> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >> >>> Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ >>> compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or >>> in a Linux general newsgroup. >>> >> Or perhaps gnu.g++.help >> >> Matt Flaschen >> >> > There is nothing wrong with g++ in Hardy. I have used it a lot and > it is the usual ANSI Standard C++ of years ago. That's (mostly) true (there are some deviations from the standard, as in any compiler). Just not sure how it's relevant to the thread. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 13 00:58:26 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:58:26 -0400 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> <49B4AD0E.4090204@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49B9AFB2.9080501@gatech.edu> H.S. wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >>> Regarding compilation issues (trouble compiling, not sure about g++ >>> compiler and linker, not finding libraries), you can post that there or >>> in a Linux general newsgroup. >> Or perhaps gnu.g++.help >> >> Matt Flaschen >> > > Last time I checked it was a horribly low traffic group. Perhaps it has > changed now. I admit I did not in fact check. But maybe it's like Yogi said, "Nobody goes there no more; it's too crowded." Matt Flaschen From keithdewitt at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 01:00:43 2009 From: keithdewitt at gmail.com (keith dewitt) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:00:43 -0500 Subject: GF 8400, drivers Message-ID: I was unable to get GF7100 enabled for desktop effects so I bought a GF8400 GS thinking the 7100 wasn't supported. Still stuck without desktop effects.I tried envng, the 177 and 173 drivers with Ubuntu and tried to install the x86.180.29 driver from the NVIDIA website (get error message when trying to compile kernel from NVIDIA) it fails. Have searched forums and sent a bug report to NVIDIA but have not heard back, just sent them another email. Any help please. (tried to send this as an attachment,it is clipped,sorry): --- X.Org X Server 1.5.2 Release Date: 10 October 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-19-server i686 Ubuntu Current Operating System: Linux ubuntu 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:24:39 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 24 October 2008 08:00:16AM xorg-server 2:1.5.2-2ubuntu3 (buildd at rothera.buildd) Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Mar 12 18:24:54 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe" (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Configured Monitor" (**) | |-->Device "Configured Video Device" (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) No FontPath specified. Using compiled-in default. (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) Loader magic: 0x81d9a40 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 4.1 X.Org XInput driver : 2.1 X.Org Server Extension : 1.1 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6 (II) Loader running on linux (++) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0 at 2:0:0) nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS rev 161, Mem @ 0xfd000000/0, 0xfa000000/0, I/O @ 0x0000ec00/0, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072 (II) System resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [5] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[B] (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.12 Thu Jul 17 18:36:35 PDT 2008 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//fonts/libfreetype.so (II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 2.1.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.6 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "vesa" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.0, module version = 1.3.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1 (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa (II) Primary Device is: PCI 02 at 00:00:0 (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [5] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[B] (II) Loading sub module "vbe" (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvbe.so (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1 (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libint10.so (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1 (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 14336 kB (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: NVIDIA (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 96.132 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: G84 Board - p403h05 - p403h05 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Chip Rev (II) VESA(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section "Default Screen" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 (==) VESA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) VESA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) VESA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Module "ddc" already built-in (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC supported (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 1 sec. (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer: RDS Model: 1559 Serial#: 25000001 (II) VESA(0): Year: 2001 Week: 25 (II) VESA(0): EDID Version: 1.3 (II) VESA(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.700 V (II) VESA(0): Sync: Separate (II) VESA(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 31 vert.: 23 (II) VESA(0): Gamma: 2.07 (II) VESA(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display (II) VESA(0): First detailed timing not preferred mode in violation of standard!(II) VESA(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.280 greenY: 0.595 (II) VESA(0): blueX: 0.150 blueY: 0.063 whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.298 (II) VESA(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) VESA(0): 640x480 at 60Hz (II) VESA(0): 640x480 at 72Hz (II) VESA(0): 640x480 at 75Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600 at 56Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600 at 60Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600 at 72Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600 at 75Hz (II) VESA(0): 1024x768 at 60Hz (II) VESA(0): 1024x768 at 70Hz (II) VESA(0): 1024x768 at 75Hz (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) VESA(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) VESA(0): #0: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 60 vid: 16481 (II) VESA(0): #1: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 75 vid: 20321 (II) VESA(0): #2: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 60 vid: 16453 (II) VESA(0): #3: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 75 vid: 20293 (II) VESA(0): #4: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 60 vid: 16433 (II) VESA(0): #5: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 75 vid: 20273 (II) VESA(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) VESA(0): clock: 65.0 MHz Image Size: 304 x 228 mm (II) VESA(0): h_active: 1024 h_sync: 1048 h_sync_end 1184 h_blank_end 1344 h_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): v_active: 768 v_sync: 771 v_sync_end 777 v_blanking: 806 v_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): Monitor name: Radius Rad-5s (II) VESA(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 75 Hz, H min: 31 H max: 62 kHz, PixClock max 80 MHz (II) VESA(0): Serial No: FBB25000001 (II) VESA(0): EDID (in hex): (II) VESA(0): 00ffffffffffff004893591541787d01 (II) VESA(0): 190b0103681f176be80d99a057479826 (II) VESA(0): 10484c2fce006140614f4540454f3140 (II) VESA(0): 314f0101010164190040410026301888 (II) VESA(0): 360030e410000018000000fc00526164 (II) VESA(0): 697573205261642d3573000000fd0038 (II) VESA(0): 4b1f3e08000a202020202020000000ff (II) VESA(0): 0046424232353030303030310a2000cb (II) VESA(0): EDID vendor "RDS", prod id 5465 (II) VESA(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync (II) VESA(0): Using EDID range info for vertical refresh (II) VESA(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync (37.9 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.1 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (56.5 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync (48.1 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 64.11 1024 1080 1184 1344 768 769 772 795 -hsync +vsync (47.7 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0 81.80 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 802 -hsync +vsync (60.2 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.0 38.22 800 832 912 1024 600 601 604 622 -hsync +vsync (37.3 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0 48.91 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 627 -hsync +vsync (47.0 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x60.0 23.86 640 656 720 800 480 481 484 497 -hsync +vsync (29.8 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x75.0 30.72 640 664 728 816 480 481 484 502 -hsync +vsync (37.7 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Searching for matching VESA mode(s): Mode: 100 (640x400) ...... (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libint10.so (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 14336 kB (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: NVIDIA (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 96.132 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: G84 Board - p403h05 - p403h05 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Chip Rev (II) VESA(0): virtual address = 0xb5c69000, physical address = 0xfb000000, size = 14680064 (==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) VESA(0): Backing store disabled (II) VESA(0): DPMS enabled (WW) VESA(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used (==) RandR enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE (II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) Keith Motherboard - ECS -GF7100/7050PVT-M3 System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~2666 Mhz BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 080015, 10/30/2007 SMBIOS Version 2.5 Total Physical Memory 4,096.00 MB New Graphics card is e-GeForce 8400 GS From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 13 00:29:21 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:29:21 +0100 Subject: How to install GUI for Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236904161.670.1.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:51 +0700, Bùi Đăng Chung wrote: > Hi! I've just tried to install Debian Linux on VMWare Machine, but > after that, I can't see the GUI for it (though Debian have GUI). So > could you help me some guide for this problem? Thanks you so much! It's probably better to ask on the debian-user, even if your vmware runs on Ubuntu http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 13 01:19:53 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:19:53 -0400 Subject: How to make cron send mail from a nonexistent address? In-Reply-To: <49B9ABA4.3070703@gmail.com> References: <49B9ABA4.3070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9B4B9.5000904@gatech.edu> David M. Karr wrote: > No, I'm not planning on setting up a spam house. :) > > I have some cron jobs that send their results to my Gmail account. I > read my Gmail in Thunderbird. > > I've discovered that Gmail has a "feature" such that mail sent from me > to me will not be downloaded in a POP request. I have a feeling that if > I munge the "from" address of the cron email, this will avoid this > problem. I know to set "MAILTO" in the crontab to set where cron sends > mail to, but I don't see an obvious way to change the FROM address used > (not surprising). I would imagine that Google's SMTP probably barfs on > mail authenticating with one address, but specifying a different from > address. I've read about (and used) the information about reconfiguring > the "/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template" file to route mail through Gmail > SMTP, but I don't see anything obvious in those options. I think it might be REMOTE_SMTP_HEADERS_REWRITE . However, Gmail has another feature that "Gmail automatically rewrites the "from" line of any e-mail you send via their SMTP gateway to your Gmail address, and it overrides any Reply-To settings you may have in your e-mail software in favor of the one in Gmail's web interface." (http://lifehacker.com/software/email-apps/how-to-use-gmail-as-your-smtp-server-111166.php). I just verified this myself. Thus, they'll remunge your munge, and you won't get the desired effect. Matt Flaschen From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 01:33:36 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:33:36 -0700 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <1976007.Lk7NW3ulj1@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49B7C0F2.2040806@tigershaunt.com> <1976007.Lk7NW3ulj1@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 03/12/2009 05:01 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> I was getting confused by the resulting error msg from: >> >> $ ps -auxwwf > ps.txt >> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See >> http://procps.sf.net/faq.html >> > > ps is "special". It takes iirc GNU and BSD options - and while they may > sometimes be the same letter codes, sometimes they aren't. So 'a' and '-a' > are the same, but 'u' and '-u' aren't, and '-u' expects a user id. Thanks. I'll move to the back of the short bus now :-) From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 01:43:58 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:43:58 -0500 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> Derek Broughton said: > Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! > > As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult > (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the > desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do it. I am not familiar with the "alternatives" system. hmmm... I can't find a correct group name for a file manager in /etc/alternatives. I can't find a place to change the default file manager anywhere. I would love to set it to use PCManFM if I only could. I /know/ that we, as Linux users, can do anything. I am stumped by the, "how?" Even inside my own system this doesn't look so easy, much less for /any/ system. Help? Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From diesch at spamfence.net Fri Mar 13 02:01:17 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:01:17 +0100 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> (David M. Karr's message of "Wed\, 11 Mar 2009 10\:25\:38 -0700") References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> "David M. Karr" wrote: > I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", > find it, then install it. > > I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me > the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the > application. > > Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session > startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to > browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full > path to an executable. You can drag&drop an item from the start menu into the list of start programs. > There's a disconnect here. Either the applications menu needs to > provide a "Properties" item that shows the full path to the application, > or the "Add Startup Program" dialog needs to allow selection of an > application from the Applications menu. I could see adding both of > these. The latter is friendlier to less experienced users. The former > is more general-purpose. > > I'd be willing to file an issue for this, after I get some feedback on this. Adding a "Properties" item to the context menu seems like a good idea to me. Florian -- From dcurtis at uniserve.com Fri Mar 13 02:24:33 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:24:33 -0400 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <20090312222434.c9fd8f8e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:43:58 -0500 "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > Derek Broughton said: > > Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! > > > > As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult > > (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the > > desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. > > As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the > preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing > something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do > it. 'xdg-open ~' or 'xdg-open /etc' works for me. XFCE on Jaunty. LXDE does _not_ work, there seems to be a problem with pcmanfm and /etc/mailcap. A bug? > I am not familiar with the "alternatives" system. > > hmmm... > > I can't find a correct group name for a file manager > in /etc/alternatives. Right, there's no x-file-manager, or whatever it would be. > > I can't find a place to change the default file manager anywhere. I > would love to set it to use PCManFM if I only could. > > I /know/ that we, as Linux users, can do anything. I am stumped by > the, "how?" Maybe we could get a 'sensible-file-manager' script? > Even inside my own system this doesn't look so easy, much less > for /any/ system. > > Help? > It seems xdg-utils is the way to go, as long as the DE is compliant/set up properly. I know nothing about mime types or mailcap re:LXDE/pcmanfm. -- David Curtis From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 02:49:01 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:49:01 -0300 Subject: GF 8400, drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM, keith dewitt wrote: > I was unable to get GF7100 enabled for desktop effects so I bought a > GF8400 GS thinking the 7100 wasn't supported. Still stuck without > desktop effects.I tried envng, the 177 and 173 drivers with Ubuntu and > tried to install the x86.180.29 driver from the NVIDIA website (get > error message when trying to compile kernel from NVIDIA) it fails. > Have searched forums and sent a bug report to NVIDIA but have not > heard back, just sent them another email. Any help please. Strange, last driver for both 7100 and 8400 is the 180.29. I'm running my systems on a NVidia GeForce8200 (onboard). Driver 177 for the 8.10 i386 install and 180.11 for the AMD64. They worked just out of the box. Appearance/ Visual Effects set to "normal" work most of the time (but not always). Installed the 177 from NVidia following instructions (GDM stopped) and compilation was automatic. The 180.11 driver came from repositories and installed without a glitch. Auto recompile at each Kernel update. No need to use EnvyNG. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 03:19:21 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:21 -0500 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> NoOp said: > Not all menu items will have a full path, but an quick and easy way to > see what the properties are (rather than having to wait for the Edit > Menu to grind itself into motion) is to go to the menu icon, right > click and 'Add this launcher to panel'. Then right click the icon on > the panel and select 'Properties'. In the 'Command' section you'll > either see a full path w/command, or in many cases just a system > command ('ooffice -writer %U' for example). When finished just remove > the icon from the panel. Doesn't do that? cybe at WizardsTower:~$ man which WHICH(1) NAME which - locate a command SYNOPSIS which [-a] filename ... DESCRIPTION which returns the pathnames of the files which would be executed in the current environment, had its arguments been given as commands in a strictly POSIX-conformant shell. It does this by searching the PATH for executable files matching the names of the arguments. OPTIONS -a print all matching pathnames of each argument EXIT STATUS 0 if all specified commands are found and executable 1 if one or more specified commands is nonexistent or not executable 2 if an invalid option is specified Debian 12 Jul 2004 WHICH(1) Manual page which(1) line 1/28 (END) Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From larissa.ardis at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 03:55:23 2009 From: larissa.ardis at gmail.com (Larissa Ardis) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:55:23 -0700 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 Message-ID: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks... Backatcha with this backlight problem on my laptop. The backlight appears to dim significantly with fluctuating ambient light, which I *don't* want it to do. David Curtis, thanks so much for the tip! I executed that sudo command in a terminal window, and this is what appeared (between stars): **** larissa at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done smartdimmer is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 104 not upgraded. **** So... does this mean I already have the component that you were suggesting? How do I find/operate smartdimmer? Lucio Nicolosi, thanks for your suggestion to use that Brightness applet... actually, I've already done that, and it doesn't appear to affect the dimming problem. In case this is useful additional information, my laptop has this light-sensor thing that I can control via a Fn/F5 or Fn/F6 key combination in Windows... but I can't figure out any way to do this in Ubuntu. My laptop is a Seanix Z7100 with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Larissa Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi, folks... > > I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control > backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all > times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker > with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in > bright lighting conditions. > > Details: > > Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there > more info that would help disgnose or fix this? Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package says it's for nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It might be worth a shot. -- David Curtis Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi, folks... > > I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control > backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all > times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker > with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in > bright lighting conditions. > > Details: > > Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there > more info that would help disgnose or fix this? Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package saysI don't know how to verify that I do have it, or to operate it. it's for nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It might be worth a shot. -- David Curtis From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 02:39:12 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:39:12 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: On 03/12/2009 07:01 PM, Florian Diesch wrote: > "David M. Karr" wrote: > >> I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", >> find it, then install it. >> >> I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me >> the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the >> application. >> >> Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session >> startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to >> browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full >> path to an executable. > > You can drag&drop an item from the start menu into the list of start programs. Can you explain how? For instance whenever I turn on my system in the morning I always open Nautilus & 2 other apps; I open System|Preferences|Sessions|Startup Programs, I then open Applications|Accessories & try to drag & drop 'File Browser' to the 'Startup Programs' and it doesn't work (both on Hardy and Intrepid). So if you can point the proper way to do this I'd also appreciate the advice. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 04:50:17 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:50:17 -0300 Subject: Again installing Ubuntu on Acer Travelmate 5530G In-Reply-To: <49B9A288.80101@pp1.inet.fi> References: <49B9A288.80101@pp1.inet.fi> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Matthias Andersson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi! > > I've been trying to install ubuntu on my new laptop but I've forgot what > I did the last time to get it to work, now when I boot I get the > following messages > > "acpi#0 not found (buggy bios)" and "ata1 soft reset failed (device not > ready)" and "ata2 soft reset failed (device not ready)". > > The install then goes onto trying to boot into the graphical mode and > fails, the installation is not proceeding from that point onward and I'm > left at a command prompt. > > I've tried the acpi=off, noapic and nolapic options to no avail. > > I have been able to install arch linux successfully on the laptop by > giving the boot parameter rootdelay=8. I've tried 8.10 alternative dvd > 64-bit and jaunty alpha-5 64-bit. The problem with the 8.10 install is > also that the radeonhd driver is the older 1.2.1 version which is not > sufficient for the ATI RadeonHD 3470 x2. > > > I would like to install Ubuntu on the laptop but I'm willing to leave > Arch on it. > > //Matthias May I suggest that you: - Reset your BIOS to default settings and eventually disable everything that is not required. - Remove the "quiet" parameter from the boot line to have details about the boot process and see were it stops. - Try the "pci=nomsi" parameter or combinations of the already tried params. - If Linux is your only system, check if your BIOS has an "AHCI" or Linux mode option. - and pray... L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 05:10:08 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:10:08 -0300 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi folks... > > Backatcha with this backlight problem on my laptop. The backlight > appears to dim significantly with fluctuating ambient light, which I > *don't* want it to do. > > David Curtis, thanks so much for the tip! I executed that sudo command > in a terminal window, and this is what appeared (between stars): > **** > larissa at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > smartdimmer is already the newest version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 104 not upgraded. > **** > So... does this mean I already have the component that you were > suggesting? How do I find/operate smartdimmer? > > Lucio Nicolosi, thanks for your suggestion to use that Brightness > applet... actually, I've already done that, and it doesn't appear to > affect the dimming problem. > > In case this is useful additional information, my laptop has this > light-sensor thing that I can control via a Fn/F5 or Fn/F6 key > combination in Windows... but I can't figure out any way to do this in > Ubuntu. > > My laptop is a Seanix Z7100 with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. > > Larissa > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 > From: David Curtis > Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 > Larissa Ardis wrote: > >> Hi, folks... >> >> I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control >> backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all >> times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker >> with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in >> bright lighting conditions. >> >> Details: >> >> Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there >> more info that would help disgnose or fix this? > > Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package says it's for > nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It > might be worth a shot. > > -- > David Curtis > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 > From: David Curtis > Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 > Larissa Ardis wrote: > >> Hi, folks... >> >> I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control >> backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all >> times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker >> with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in >> bright lighting conditions. >> >> Details: >> >> Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there >> more info that would help disgnose or fix this? > > Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package saysI don't > know how to verify that I do have it, or to operate it.  it's for > nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It > might be worth a shot. > > -- > David Curtis Did a quick search for "smartdimmer + nvidia + linux" Please check: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53225 and see if it applies. Good luck. [could also glue a flashlight over the damned sensor, if it weren't so bulky :-) ] L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From csv610 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 05:11:02 2009 From: csv610 at gmail.com (Chaman Singh Verma) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:41:02 +0530 Subject: System ScreenSaver Mode frequently Message-ID: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have been Ubuntu for quite some time, and lately, my computer behaving strangely. Even when I am typing it, the system comes into screen save mode, and gets locked and I need to type password every 30 seconds. Can someone suggest what should I do ? csv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daevid at daevid.com Fri Mar 13 05:24:31 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:24:31 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet startsmanually fine. Services GUI shows all unchecked. In-Reply-To: <20090312041930.d227d1b5.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <1236797248.4550.5.camel@psedev1> <20090312041930.d227d1b5.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <531FDD407DF94CC7A8A14953C69CD40B@locutus> So, I looked at that "System->Administration->Services" and everything is unchecked! But clearly that is misleading because I absolutely know things like "postfix", "dovecot", "mysql", "apache", "crond" etc are all running just fine. I also tried to view the "services" gui using both my user account and logged in as root -- as expected both showed unchecked as well. I then compared this server to my notebook and that does in fact show things properly checked. How did this get out of whack/sync and how can I get them to jive again??! Although, I'd be very surprised if this is actually the problem, as I mentioned, the services are in fact running, this seems more cosmetic. Still annoying though. > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of > David Curtis > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:20 AM > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet > startsmanually fine > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:28 -0700 > Daevid Vincent wrote: > > > I posted this the other day but feel it might have been > lost as sunday > > evenings are not the best time to post it seems... > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:15:47 -0700 > > > > I installed 8.10 server, then added Gnome and all that > goodness on top. > > > > When I boot however (and I swear this WAS working a week or > so ago and I > > just did some updates today as per the update icon arrow), > XDM doesn't > > auto start. > > > > I have /etc/init.d/gdm starting in 3,4,5 > > x11-common in 2,3,4,5 > > and xserver-wacom (i don't have a wacom anything) in 2,3,4,5 > > > > If I login and "startx" it works fine but bawks about user > switching or > > something. > > if I manually just "/etc/init.d/gdm start" it fires up and > works like a > > champ. > > > > So I'm confused as to where the disconnect is and why it > isn't' starting > > with the other services? > > > Well, if no one has responded, let this amateur take a guess. > > The above behavior sounds correct. Xorg is run as user, while > GDM needs root. (I'm guessing that you really use 'sudo > /etc/init.d/gdm start'.) > > I don't know what to edit in the init scripts. But if you're > getting to the desktop there should be an > Applications->System->Services with a check box for GDM/XDM. > > If that's not going to do it for you, you can always go to > the nearest desktop install and diff the relative scripts/dir. > > HTH > > -- > David Curtis > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 05:38:57 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:38:57 -0300 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Larissa Ardis wrote: >> Hi folks... >> >> Backatcha with this backlight problem on my laptop. The backlight >> appears to dim significantly with fluctuating ambient light, which I >> *don't* want it to do. >> >> David Curtis, thanks so much for the tip! I executed that sudo command >> in a terminal window, and this is what appeared (between stars): >> **** >> larissa at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> smartdimmer is already the newest version. >> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 104 not upgraded. >> **** >> So... does this mean I already have the component that you were >> suggesting? How do I find/operate smartdimmer? >> >> Lucio Nicolosi, thanks for your suggestion to use that Brightness >> applet... actually, I've already done that, and it doesn't appear to >> affect the dimming problem. >> >> In case this is useful additional information, my laptop has this >> light-sensor thing that I can control via a Fn/F5 or Fn/F6 key >> combination in Windows... but I can't figure out any way to do this in >> Ubuntu. >> >> My laptop is a Seanix Z7100 with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. >> >> Larissa >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 >> From: David Curtis >> Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 >> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 >> Larissa Ardis wrote: >> >>> Hi, folks... >>> >>> I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control >>> backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all >>> times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker >>> with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in >>> bright lighting conditions. >>> >>> Details: >>> >>> Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there >>> more info that would help disgnose or fix this? >> >> Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package says it's for >> nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It >> might be worth a shot. >> >> -- >> David Curtis >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:05:43 -0400 >> From: David Curtis >> Subject: Re: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 >> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: <20090311000544.2b0f5ab7.dcurtis at uniserve.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:57 -0700 >> Larissa Ardis wrote: >> >>> Hi, folks... >>> >>> I am a ubuntu newbie and mostly I love it. But - I can't control >>> backlight dimming. I want the backlight to be at max brightness at all >>> times and don't see how to do this. Currently, it appears to flicker >>> with ambient room light, dimming in dark rooms, getting brighter in >>> bright lighting conditions. >>> >>> Details: >>> >>> Seanix Z7100 laptop with Nvidia GeForce 6600 Go graphics. Is there >>> more info that would help disgnose or fix this? >> >> Try smartdimmer: 'sudo apt-get smartdimmer'. The package saysI don't >> know how to verify that I do have it, or to operate it.  it's for >> nvidia 6200 GO, but I've read claims that it works on 7600 GO. It >> might be worth a shot. >> >> -- >> David Curtis > > Did a quick search for "smartdimmer + nvidia + linux" > > Please check: > > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53225 > > and see if it applies. > > Also try nvclock available from Sinaptic, if it isn't already installed. (see http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/NVClock-5246.shtml) L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 13 05:41:09 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:09 +0100 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <1236922869.670.7.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:19 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Doesn't do that? Only if you know the name of the executable, and even then it's not exactly straightforward for the GUI user. From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Fri Mar 13 04:15:28 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:15:28 +0300 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9DDE0.6070204@lab.vectoris.fr> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up > other parts. A mail system screwing "//"? Throw it away, man! -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby Telephone: +261 33 11 207 36 From daevid at daevid.com Fri Mar 13 05:53:53 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:53:53 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet startsmanually fine. Services GUI shows all unchecked. References: <1236797248.4550.5.camel@psedev1> <20090312041930.d227d1b5.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <4522391E6AB44FF7B604C3D41232CA9E@locutus> Here is what I have running on a fresh boot... root at ubuntu:~# ps ax PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 1 ? Ss 0:01 /sbin/init 2 ? S< 0:00 [kthreadd] 3 ? S< 0:00 [migration/0] 4 ? S< 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] 5 ? S< 0:00 [watchdog/0] 6 ? S< 0:00 [migration/1] 7 ? S< 0:00 [ksoftirqd/1] 8 ? S< 0:00 [watchdog/1] 9 ? S< 0:00 [migration/2] 10 ? S< 0:00 [ksoftirqd/2] 11 ? S< 0:00 [watchdog/2] 12 ? S< 0:00 [migration/3] 13 ? S< 0:00 [ksoftirqd/3] 14 ? S< 0:00 [watchdog/3] 15 ? S< 0:00 [events/0] 16 ? S< 0:00 [events/1] 17 ? S< 0:00 [events/2] 18 ? S< 0:00 [events/3] 19 ? S< 0:00 [khelper] 61 ? S< 0:00 [kintegrityd/0] 62 ? S< 0:00 [kintegrityd/1] 63 ? S< 0:00 [kintegrityd/2] 64 ? S< 0:00 [kintegrityd/3] 66 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/0] 67 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/1] 68 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/2] 69 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/3] 71 ? S< 0:00 [kacpid] 72 ? S< 0:00 [kacpi_notify] 156 ? S< 0:00 [cqueue] 160 ? S< 0:00 [kseriod] 212 ? S 0:00 [pdflush] 213 ? S 0:00 [pdflush] 214 ? S< 0:00 [kswapd0] 256 ? S< 0:00 [aio/0] 257 ? S< 0:00 [aio/1] 258 ? S< 0:00 [aio/2] 259 ? S< 0:00 [aio/3] 1343 ? S< 0:00 [ksuspend_usbd] 1361 ? S< 0:00 [khubd] 1449 ? S< 0:00 [ata/0] 1451 ? S< 0:00 [ata/1] 1452 ? S< 0:00 [ata/2] 1453 ? S< 0:00 [ata/3] 1454 ? S< 0:00 [ata_aux] 2287 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_0] 2288 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_1] 2305 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_2] 2306 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_3] 2436 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_4] 2437 ? S< 0:00 [usb-storage] 2493 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald] 2632 ? S -----Original Message----- > From: Daevid Vincent > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:25 PM > To: 'Ubuntu user technical support' > Subject: RE: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet > startsmanually fine. Services GUI shows all unchecked. > > So, I looked at that "System->Administration->Services" and > everything is unchecked! But clearly that is misleading > because I absolutely know things like "postfix", "dovecot", > "mysql", "apache", "crond" etc are all running just fine. > > I also tried to view the "services" gui using both my user > account and logged in as root -- as expected both showed > unchecked as well. > > I then compared this server to my notebook and that does in > fact show things properly checked. > > How did this get out of whack/sync and how can I get them to > jive again??! > > Although, I'd be very surprised if this is actually the > problem, as I mentioned, the services are in fact running, > this seems more cosmetic. Still annoying though. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Curtis > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:20 AM > > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 server doesn't boot into GDM / X yet > > startsmanually fine > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:28 -0700 > > Daevid Vincent wrote: > > > > > I posted this the other day but feel it might have been > > lost as sunday > > > evenings are not the best time to post it seems... > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:15:47 -0700 > > > > > > I installed 8.10 server, then added Gnome and all that > > goodness on top. > > > > > > When I boot however (and I swear this WAS working a week or > > so ago and I > > > just did some updates today as per the update icon arrow), > > XDM doesn't > > > auto start. > > > > > > I have /etc/init.d/gdm starting in 3,4,5 > > > x11-common in 2,3,4,5 > > > and xserver-wacom (i don't have a wacom anything) in 2,3,4,5 > > > > > > If I login and "startx" it works fine but bawks about user > > switching or > > > something. > > > if I manually just "/etc/init.d/gdm start" it fires up and > > works like a > > > champ. > > > > > > So I'm confused as to where the disconnect is and why it > > isn't' starting > > > with the other services? > > > > > Well, if no one has responded, let this amateur take a guess. > > > > The above behavior sounds correct. Xorg is run as user, while > > GDM needs root. (I'm guessing that you really use 'sudo > > /etc/init.d/gdm start'.) > > > > I don't know what to edit in the init scripts. But if you're > > getting to the desktop there should be an > > Applications->System->Services with a check box for GDM/XDM. > > > > If that's not going to do it for you, you can always go to > > the nearest desktop install and diff the relative scripts/dir. > > > > HTH > > > > -- > > David Curtis From daevid at daevid.com Fri Mar 13 06:17:21 2009 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:17:21 -0700 Subject: ssh is slow to give me a prompt [solved] In-Reply-To: <5604ECCB6CF04B288F4F110CAA5291A8@locutus> References: <5604ECCB6CF04B288F4F110CAA5291A8@locutus> Message-ID: http://www.ricetek.net/2007/12/09/ssh-reverse-dns-lookup-disable In file /etc/ssh/sshd_config: UseDNS no sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart works awesome! ________________________________ From: Daevid Vincent Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:07 PM To: 'Ubuntu Users' Subject: ssh is slow to give me a prompt When I ssh to my server (192.168.1.100) or my notebook (192.168.1.190) which is on my local NAT'ted 1GB LAN, it can take several seconds to get my prompt on either one. Both are Ubuntu 8.10. This doesn't seem normal. We run Ubuntu servers at work, and they're in a huge network and I can ssh to them very quickly. I've tried from various computers and they all exhibit this behaviour when connecting to the server or my notebook. Even connecting to each other is slow. Is there some PAM setting or sshd_config that I need to enable/disable to speed this up? They do go through a 1GB switch DLink router to each other, but I don't see how that would be the issue. From vpadro at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 07:48:47 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:48:47 -0600 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <20090312222434.c9fd8f8e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> <20090312222434.c9fd8f8e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Curtis wrote: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:43:58 -0500 > "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > > > Derek Broughton said: > > > Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! > > > > > > As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult > > > (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the > > > desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. > > > > As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the > > preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing > > something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do > > it. > > 'xdg-open ~' or 'xdg-open /etc' works for me. XFCE on Jaunty. LXDE does > _not_ work, there seems to be a problem with pcmanfm and /etc/mailcap. A > bug? > > > I am not familiar with the "alternatives" system. > > > > hmmm... > > > > I can't find a correct group name for a file manager > > in /etc/alternatives. > > Right, there's no x-file-manager, or whatever it would be. > > > > > I can't find a place to change the default file manager anywhere. I > > would love to set it to use PCManFM if I only could. > > > > I /know/ that we, as Linux users, can do anything. I am stumped by > > the, "how?" > > Maybe we could get a 'sensible-file-manager' script? > > > Even inside my own system this doesn't look so easy, much less > > for /any/ system. > > > > Help? > > > It seems xdg-utils is the way to go, as long as the DE is compliant/set up > properly. I know nothing about mime types or mailcap re:LXDE/pcmanfm. > > -- > David Curtis > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > I don't know if this helps but in gnome terminal you can do: vpadro at workstation:/# nautilus /home/vpadro and it opens the vpadro's home folder(s)... hope this what you wanted in the first place... P.S. actually I have configured a shortcut using Ctrl-R to open a terminal and perhaps I'm trying to emulate the Super+R in windows...who knows. :) old habbits... -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 07:52:32 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:52:32 -0600 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> <20090312222434.c9fd8f8e.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Victor Padro wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Curtis wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:43:58 -0500 >> "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: >> >> > Derek Broughton said: >> > > Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! >> > > >> > > As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult >> > > (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the >> > > desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. >> > >> > As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the >> > preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing >> > something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do >> > it. >> >> 'xdg-open ~' or 'xdg-open /etc' works for me. XFCE on Jaunty. LXDE does >> _not_ work, there seems to be a problem with pcmanfm and /etc/mailcap. A >> bug? >> >> > I am not familiar with the "alternatives" system. >> > >> > hmmm... >> > >> > I can't find a correct group name for a file manager >> > in /etc/alternatives. >> >> Right, there's no x-file-manager, or whatever it would be. >> >> > >> > I can't find a place to change the default file manager anywhere. I >> > would love to set it to use PCManFM if I only could. >> > >> > I /know/ that we, as Linux users, can do anything. I am stumped by >> > the, "how?" >> >> Maybe we could get a 'sensible-file-manager' script? >> >> > Even inside my own system this doesn't look so easy, much less >> > for /any/ system. >> > >> > Help? >> > >> It seems xdg-utils is the way to go, as long as the DE is compliant/set up >> properly. I know nothing about mime types or mailcap re:LXDE/pcmanfm. >> >> -- >> David Curtis >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > I don't know if this helps but in gnome terminal you can do: > > vpadro at workstation:/# nautilus /home/vpadro > > and it opens the vpadro's home folder(s)... > > hope this what you wanted in the first place... > > P.S. actually I have configured a shortcut using Ctrl-R to open a terminal > and perhaps I'm trying to emulate the Super+R in windows...who knows. :) > old habbits... > > > -- > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente > servidas" > you can do something like in windows to open the IE from the Run window: iexplore.exe http://www.google.com but in linux is: vpadro at workstation:/# firefox http://www.google.com therefore many applications can be run from the terminal just like in windows... -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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Karr" wrote: >> >>> I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", >>> find it, then install it. >>> >>> I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me >>> the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the >>> application. >>> >>> Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session >>> startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to >>> browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full >>> path to an executable. >> >> You can drag&drop an item from the start menu into the list of start programs. > > Can you explain how? For instance whenever I turn on my system in the > morning I always open Nautilus & 2 other apps; I open > System|Preferences|Sessions|Startup Programs, I then open > Applications|Accessories & try to drag & drop 'File Browser' to the > 'Startup Programs' and it doesn't work (both on Hardy and Intrepid). That's how it works here (Intrepid) - at least I get an entry in the list, I didn't check if it really gets started. Note that I don't use the "Add" button but just drop the app into the list. What exactly doesn't work for you: Can't you drag the app out of the menu (the icon is used as mouse cursor as you are dragging) or can't you drop the app into the list? Florian -- From rev.olson at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 05:40:37 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Rev. JW Olson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:40:37 -0700 Subject: System ScreenSaver Mode frequently In-Reply-To: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> References: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48022efb0903122240u3ff2e0feh5b7527f79328839c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Chaman Singh Verma wrote: > Hello, > > I have been Ubuntu for quite some time, and lately, my computer behaving > strangely. Even when I am typing it, the system > comes into screen save mode, and gets locked and I need to type password > every 30 seconds. > > Can someone suggest what should I do ? You did not mention which version you are running but have you tried changing your "power saving" settings? I have them disabled in 8.04. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthias.andersson at pp1.inet.fi Fri Mar 13 07:52:57 2009 From: matthias.andersson at pp1.inet.fi (Matthias Andersson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:52:57 +0200 Subject: Again installing Ubuntu on Acer Travelmate 5530G In-Reply-To: References: <49B9A288.80101@pp1.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49BA10D9.5030303@pp1.inet.fi> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > - Reset your BIOS to default settings and eventually disable > everything that is not required. The problem is that the bios is by Phoenix Technologies and quite restricted as to what is possible to adjust (passwords, boot order and crossfire support). Then something called ASF. > > - Remove the "quiet" parameter from the boot line to have details > about the boot process and see were it stops. The boot process doesn't actually stop - it seems that if I use the acpi=0 an noapic options then X fails with "Unknown X keysum dead_belowcomma" //Matthias -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJuhDWAAoJEDF8u+ZDBCZ5wz0H/jyY4mUmjrmvMovKIBdr6tbI Tl6YNCojSF/JVQwUmdc14fhwEnFfmMDsmRRPFCYxlRgcFgGM5flIdLoP2QViw7Es gBZbn/OU357e+0Br1OrmjwGFbUo9fID9pi6p2XQwjniKDVlJFyk1/OJ+wQ/ki9yk qw3u8qrk8egQG9g1Vf31uHQBvINx4c2bt7cYygaGQ8a9ogjXri20K9UatXKck7jC F/Zm1VWTwCkDCfvc+4QQH7SH7GeUhJNqodnegqN3mLPMfHc0fYtaK+liAY/k+XhX 4KDeyNKgINPS0uA6L/J09+zOG7z917E/mW2u2lKk/To6hO/MU7uHAMvcAXWs8vU= =8sfn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From darius at onrails.lt Fri Mar 13 09:44:01 2009 From: darius at onrails.lt (Darius) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:44:01 +0200 Subject: openoffice base, don't show created tables Message-ID: <49BA2AE1.105@onrails.lt> Hi, I use OpenOffice Base connect to mysql. I can create new table, than save it successful, but if I close odb file, and than open, I don't see any before created tables, if i create new table, I see only newly created table, old table exists but OO Base don't show it. View->refresh tables doesn't help. From csv610 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 10:04:45 2009 From: csv610 at gmail.com (Chaman Singh Verma) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:34:45 +0530 Subject: System ScreenSaver Mode frequently In-Reply-To: <48022efb0903122240u3ff2e0feh5b7527f79328839c@mail.gmail.com> References: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> <48022efb0903122240u3ff2e0feh5b7527f79328839c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21f0b0400903130304s5deab91cm1ecd1b9804e36d34@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Rev. JW Olson wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Chaman Singh Verma wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have been Ubuntu for quite some time, and lately, my computer behaving >> strangely. Even when I am typing it, the system >> comes into screen save mode, and gets locked and I need to type password >> every 30 seconds. >> >> Can someone suggest what should I do ? > > > > You did not mention which version you are running but have you tried > changing > your "power saving" settings? I have them disabled in 8.04. > > > > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Hello, I am using Ubuntu 8.10 on 64 bit. Everything was working fine till yesterday. The only thing I did was that I installed some software for Bluetooth and nothing more than that. I disabled screen saver to 2 hours, but after every 30-40 seconds, even while typing, the computer's screen saver comes and I need to type password. Really it is becoming annoying beyond patience limit. Thanks. csv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Fri Mar 13 11:22:46 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:22:46 -0500 Subject: smbclient and Authentication Message-ID: <200903131122.n2DBMkwH012833@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Derek Broughton writes: > afaik, it doesn't work at all. (there are no .smbauth files on my system) Thank you. This is very helpful as I had set the debug option and thought that it was not really looking at .smbauth but wasn't sure. That or something like it has got to be the problem as I used restore to actually copy the .smbauth file over. Martin McCormick From ferdinand_lehnard at bigpond.com Wed Mar 11 03:17:18 2009 From: ferdinand_lehnard at bigpond.com (Ferdinand Lehnard) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:17:18 +1100 Subject: Problems with Updates Message-ID: <1236741438.10637.12.camel@ferdi-laptop> Tried to update my system but I just couldn't succeed. I am new in the Ubuntu community and started some months ago. Everything was fine till now. I changed the Software Sources, running apt-get and aptitude with -f and -u --fix-missing, tried the Synaptic Package Manager - no success. Always it failed to fetch some archives. What has to be done to make the system going? user:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade -u --fix-missing [sudo] password for user: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic The following packages will be upgraded: openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-gtk openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-us openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za openoffice.org-style-human openoffice.org-writer python-uno 15 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 34.3MB/70.3MB of archives. After this operation, 659kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 [26.8MB] Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main openoffice.org-help-en-us 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 [7561kB] Fetched 34.3MB in 3min45s (152kB/s) Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-core_2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boot1963 at tiscali.co.uk Thu Mar 12 10:56:50 2009 From: boot1963 at tiscali.co.uk (Pernell Skeet) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:56:50 -0000 Subject: Adobe flash player Message-ID: <66032501EF6840648D8024441A8B3D63@PESlaptop> Hoping for some help. I am a new user of Kubuntu and I'm very impressed with it. The only issue I have is that when I try to watch videos on the BBC website it reports that I have the wrong version of adobe flash player installed. I have downloaded the various options and none seem to work. I'm sure I haven't installed it correctly but don't know how to. Some simple instructions would be useful. I am using: KUBUNTU-8.10-desktop-i386.iso Regards Pernell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhair.tocancipa at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:10:26 2009 From: jhair.tocancipa at gmail.com (Jhair Tocancipa Triana) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:10:26 +0000 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: (Charles Howse's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:12:52 -0500") References: Message-ID: <86skll740d.fsf@sms.ed.ac.uk> Charles Howse writes: > Hi, > I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. > Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. > What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? > k* processes are chaff :-)... It depends on what you use the machine for. For instance, do you use it to serve files via FTP? > 5754 proftpd 20 0 5052 1432 616 S 0.0 0.6 0:05.18 proftpd -- --Jhair From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 03:27:29 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:27:29 -0500 Subject: WiFi problems... In-Reply-To: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B9D2A1.1070300@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Roy Smith wrote: > From: Roy Smith > Subject: WiFi problems... > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:32 PM > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> Hi! I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having >> problems with my WiFi adapter. >> It's a Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G USB adapter. The problem is that it >> works for just a few minutes, then >> quits. At that point I either have >> to reboot, or unplug the adapter and >> plug it back in again to get it >> to work for a few more minutes. Gets >> frustrating when that happens. >> Any suggestions on what I need to do to > get this thing working >> reliably? Please keep in mind that >> you're dealing with a complete >> newbie to Linux, but I have lots of >> experience with Windows... > > > I suppose you are using "network manager" in gnome or manually setting up with /etc/network/interfaces for you wifi. Most people have better luck, IMO, using wicd for wifi setup and is what I use now. > Suggest you give it a try. It will remove network magager and maybe some more programs when you install wicd. > To install it you need: > > http://apt.wicd.net intrepid/extras Packages (all one line) > > In you sources.list as it's not in the regular repos. Install if from synaptic or other gui or from the CLI with: > > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude install wicd. > > Let the list know if you have any problems installing or setting up wicd. BTW, before we start seeing a bunch of rebuttals about wicd, it is not entirely trouble free but for me and many others, it just works and is much more stable than network manager. As promised, here's an update on how things went. Upgrading to Intrepid didn't help at all, in fact it killed my WiFi and couldn't connect at all. Reverting back to Heron and installing wicd didn't help either. Had the same problem with it as before. I had downloaded the Live-CD ISO for Intrepid, so I've had plenty of practice installing Ubuntu.... :-) Just on a whim I decided to put the Live-CD in my laptop, an lo and behold the WiFi works on it. I had tried before to get Heron working on this HP Compac nx6325 with the Broadcom 802.11 card but didn't have any luck. Though with Intrepid it's working perfectly... 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URL: From ulf at rompe.org Fri Mar 13 06:39:11 2009 From: ulf at rompe.org (Ulf Rompe) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:39:11 +0100 Subject: System ScreenSaver Mode frequently In-Reply-To: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> References: <21f0b0400903122211k4df0aa8ewde75ee8c2004489e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9FF8F.5000709@rompe.org> Chaman Singh Verma schrieb: > I have been Ubuntu for quite some time, and lately, my computer behaving > strangely. Even when I am typing it, the system > comes into screen save mode, and gets locked and I need to type password > every 30 seconds. Is your system clock set to the correct time? Does it keep the time or do you encounter time shifts? [x] ulf -- TEAMWORK... means never having to take all the blame yourself. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 13:13:45 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:13:45 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: <49B9DDE0.6070204@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> <49B9DDE0.6070204@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <49BA5C09.7030701@gmail.com> Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up >> other parts. >> > > A mail system screwing "//"? > Throw it away, man! > > That isn't the problem. And I find I can send the source code as a Attached file and it works fine. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From ningluwen at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 14:41:50 2009 From: ningluwen at gmail.com (ning luwen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:41:50 +0800 Subject: Problems with Updates In-Reply-To: <1236741438.10637.12.camel@ferdi-laptop> References: <1236741438.10637.12.camel@ferdi-laptop> Message-ID: <282123340903130741t6be96ed2ke1cd3b8dab3d3c92@mail.gmail.com> change the download source address and give another try On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Ferdinand Lehnard wrote: > Tried to update my system but I just couldn't succeed. I am new in the > Ubuntu community and started some months ago. Everything was fine till now. > I changed the Software Sources, running apt-get and aptitude with -f and -u > --fix-missing, tried the Synaptic Package Manager - no success. Always it > failed to fetch some archives. What has to be done to make the system going? > > user:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade -u --fix-missing > [sudo] password for user: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following packages have been kept back: >   linux-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic > The following packages will be upgraded: >   openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common >   openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-gnome >   openoffice.org-gtk openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-us >   openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za >   openoffice.org-style-human openoffice.org-writer python-uno > 15 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > Need to get 34.3MB/70.3MB of archives. > After this operation, 659kB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main openoffice.org-core > 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 [26.8MB] > Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main > openoffice.org-help-en-us 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 [7561kB] > Fetched 34.3MB in 3min45s > (152kB/s) > Failed to fetch > http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-core_2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb > Hash Sum mismatch > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 13 04:27:09 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:27:09 -0400 Subject: glable permission? In-Reply-To: <1236898868.18575.2.camel@spare> References: <1236898868.18575.2.camel@spare> Message-ID: <49B9E09D.5050804@gatech.edu> Bill Taylor wrote: > Failed to execute child process > "/usr/share/app-install/desktop/glabels.desktop" (Permission denied) Well, what are the permissions?... Matt Flaschen From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:02:31 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:02:31 -0700 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:58:53 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: [...] > I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up > other parts. I am thinking perhaps a source code should be sent as a file > attached to the message. Can you do that. I will try...I have attached > "ex78.cc" so see if you can play with that. It works :-) > Perhaps you could provide a more specific report about how the "darn mail system" "screws up" your posts of code. It might be possible for someone to suggest a solution that does not include adding attachments to your posts. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 14:12:06 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:12:06 -0700 Subject: How to install GUI for Debian References: Message-ID: > Hi! I've just tried to install Debian Linux on VMWare Machine, but after > that, I can't see the GUI for it (though Debian have GUI). So could you > help me some guide for this problem? Thanks you so much! > > A good place for you to check would be the Debian Installation Guide (I'm making the assumption of i386 architecture). http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software Section 6.3.5.2. Selecting and Installing Software would probably be of special interest to you. You will probably want to choose the Desktop environment task to get a GUI. There are three versions of CD1, the first one that people often download would install Gnome, there is also one for the KDE or Xfce Desktop Environment. As others have noted, there will be more Debian expertise at the Debian user mailing list. However I think I've pointed you in the right direction, Debian is not as easy to install and configure as Ubuntu, at least, in the sense of automagic. From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 13:34:22 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:34:22 -0300 Subject: Common call for launching file browser References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <1365466.N6loVLaR6Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Derek Broughton said: >> Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! >> >> As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult >> (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the >> desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. > > As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the > preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing > something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do > it. In KDE it opens a "file" _with_ the file manager ("kfmclient"). It doesn't leave you _in_ the file manager, because that isn't what you asked it to do. However, if you ask it to open a directory ("xdg-open ~"), then sure enough you get a file browser. Perhaps you can't do that in Gnome :-( -- derek From ubuntu at swhi.net Fri Mar 13 16:00:06 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:00:06 -0400 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BA8306.3030102@swhi.net> > I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up > other parts. I am thinking perhaps a source code should be sent as a > file attached to the message. Can you do that. I will try...I have > attached "ex78.cc" so see if you can play with that. It works :-) > > Karl > It is common on other lists to use the pastebin[1] service for inclusion of source code and other data such as long config files, etc. Just my .02. -Ray [1] http://pastebin.com/ From hs.samix at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:41:17 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:41:17 -0400 Subject: Problems with Updates In-Reply-To: <1236741438.10637.12.camel@ferdi-laptop> References: <1236741438.10637.12.camel@ferdi-laptop> Message-ID: Ferdinand Lehnard wrote: > Tried to update my system but I just couldn't succeed. I am new in the > Ubuntu community and started some months ago. Everything was fine till > now. > I changed the Software Sources, running apt-get and aptitude with -f and What was the exact change in the sources? > -u --fix-missing, tried the Synaptic Package Manager - no success. > Always it failed to fetch some archives. What has to be done to make the > system going? If it failed to fetch some archive, try a different mirror. Sometimes though, depending on the change in your sources, it could be due to a mismatch between the versions available. Try "sudo aptitude clean" (or "sudo aptitude autoclean", I never remember which) to clean your apt cache and try updating again. regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From larryesu at charter.net Fri Mar 13 13:14:38 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:14:38 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> Message-ID: <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/12/2009 08:39 AM, Larry Shields wrote: > >> Torbjørn Thorsen - Nextline wrote: >> >>> Larry Shields wrote: >>> >>> >>>> *Can anyone tell me where wine's register is located... >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help... >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit, section 3.2.2. >>> >>> First google hit on "wine registry" .. weird, huh ? >>> >>> -- Torbjørn >>> >>> >>> >> *Thanks for the info, now the regedit brings up all of the directorys, >> but I am having a problem in reading any of the text... >> This is the problem I am trying to fix, caused by nvidia-96xxx legacy >> driver... >> >> This is the problem I am trying to fix, they say to edit the register, >> change the setting to >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Wine\X11 Driver] >> "ClientSideWithRender"="N" >> * >> *So when I type regedit it brings up the editor, showing 6 dir's, now >> not knowing which dir to go into to edit this I am at a loss...For I can >> not read any of them... >> >> If you could tell me which dir to click on, this may help...??? >> >> Thanks Larry >> * >> >> > > You still messing with that issue? > *Yes I am still trying, but gave up last time I tried working on it...* > http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16146 > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1838646#post1838646 > > Using wine? > Create a txt (settings.txt) file in fx your home folder containing this: > Code: > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\X11 Driver] > "ClientSideWithRender"="N" > > Go to a terminal window and write: > Code: > > regedit settings.txt > > Remember to reboot your system after installing the driver. > > *Ok I did the above, making a txt file in my home folder, named settings.txt and then added the [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\wine\X11 Driver] "ClientSideWithRender"="N" Then regedit settings.txt, then I rebooted the system, low, and behold it worked...!!!!!!!!! * > Maybe that will help? What happens when you did that? > > Also, you can manually edit the file: > http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/wine-user/registry > > So, you open ~/.wine/user.reg and add to the bottome of the file: > * * > [Software\\Wine\\X11 Driver] 1236900048 > "ClientSideWithRender"="N" > > The only bit that I'm not sure of is the '1236900048' value. That's what > I get on this system when I 'regedit settings.txt', but on another > system it is '1236904239'. You can try leaving off the '123...' and see > if it gives you a workable enough view that you can then run 'regedit' > and edit from there. > > > > > > > *As for what Codeweavers site suggested from one user, I do not really want to edit my xorg.conf script, then have a problem not being able to get X working again... Yes I know I could make a copy, of the original, and if it didn't work then copy back the saved xorg.conf script, but the above fixed my problem without going through all of that... Thanks NoOp for replying once again... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From chowse at charter.net Fri Mar 13 15:35:01 2009 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:35:01 -0500 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting In-Reply-To: <86skll740d.fsf@sms.ed.ac.uk> References: <86skll740d.fsf@sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote: > Charles Howse writes: > >> Hi, >> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. >> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? >> > > k* processes are chaff :-)... > > It depends on what you use the machine for. For instance, do you use > it > to serve files via FTP? > >> 5754 proftpd 20 0 5052 1432 616 S 0.0 0.6 0:05.18 proftpd Hi Jhair, I uninstalled proftpd a day or two ago, so now I'm only using sftp via ssh. The only thing I use the machine for is to upload files for storage, and I need a pop3 server to get the system logs and reports via email on my Mac. Could you lease explain why k* processes are chaff? charles at shemp:~$ ps auxwwf USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 [kthreadd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [migration/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [ksoftirqd/0] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [watchdog/0] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:05 \_ [events/0] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [khelper] root 46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kintegrityd/0] root 48 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kblockd/0] root 69 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [cqueue] root 73 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kseriod] root 115 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Mar11 0:00 \_ [pdflush] root 116 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Mar11 0:02 \_ [pdflush] root 117 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kswapd0] root 162 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [aio/0] root 1042 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [ksuspend_usbd] root 1044 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [khubd] root 1076 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [ata/0] root 1078 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [ata_aux] root 1093 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_0] root 1095 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_1] root 1917 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:02 \_ [kjournald] root 3253 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kjournald] root 3254 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Mar11 0:00 \_ [kjournald] root 1 0.0 0.7 2944 1860 ? Ss Mar11 0:13 /sbin/ init root 2064 0.0 0.2 2176 684 ? S References: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B9D2A1.1070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090313084206.aea86f1b.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:27:29 -0500 Roy Smith wrote: > As promised, here's an update on how things went. Upgrading to > Intrepid didn't help at all, in fact it killed my WiFi and couldn't > connect at all. Reverting back to Heron and installing wicd didn't > help either. Had the same problem with it as before. I had > downloaded the Live-CD ISO for Intrepid, so I've had plenty of > practice installing Ubuntu.... :-) > > Just on a whim I decided to put the Live-CD in my laptop, an lo and > behold the WiFi works on it. I had tried before to get Heron > working on this HP Compac nx6325 with the Broadcom 802.11 card but > didn't have any luck. Though with Intrepid it's working > perfectly... So now I'm happy for the moment... at least until I > do something stupid and hose the system. ;-) This was something that I forgot to mention with Intrepid on my laptop. I had to go back from the -11 kernel to the -9 kernel. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost. --H. Jackson Browne From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 17:14:42 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:14:42 -0600 Subject: OT: C++ Question, solved In-Reply-To: <49BA8306.3030102@swhi.net> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <49B97FEA.703@gmail.com> <49B9A1BD.4020808@gmail.com> <49BA8306.3030102@swhi.net> Message-ID: <49BA9482.2040300@gmail.com> Ray Leventhal wrote: >> I will try to do that but the darn mail system seems to screw up >> other parts. I am thinking perhaps a source code should be sent as a >> file attached to the message. Can you do that. I will try...I have >> attached "ex78.cc" so see if you can play with that. It works :-) >> >> Karl >> >> > It is common on other lists to use the pastebin[1] service for inclusion > of source code and other data such as long config files, etc. > > Just my .02. > > -Ray > > [1] http://pastebin.com/ > > > //********************************************************************* // Program Convert: this program converts feet and inches to centimeters // using 1 inch = 2.54 CM. //*********************************************************************** #include using namespace std; // Named constants const double conversion = 2.54; const int inchesPerFoot = 12; int main() { // declare variables int feet; int inches; int totalInches; double centimeter; // Statements: Step 1 - Step 7 cout<<"Enter two integers, one for feet, " <<" one for inches: "; //Step1 cin>>feet>>inches; //Step2 cout< Prior to experiencing problems w/ kde 4.2.1, I had http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main as an active repository. I have since reinstalled 8.10 from scratch, copied over the old /etc/apt/sources.list file, disabled the problematic repository and also UNchecked "Unsupported Packages", yet the kde 4.2.1 packages still appear as updates even after I force apt to rescan the package lists. Where is apt reading the kde4.2.1 debs from? Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 17:57:13 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:57:13 +0100 Subject: OT: C++ Question In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903131057x4587838sde63c76493794b1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/12 H.S. > Karl Larsen wrote: > > > > karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ g++ ex75.c > > ex75.c: In function ‘int main()’: > > ex75.c:24: error: no match for ‘operator<<’ in ‘std::cin << feet’ > > karl at cheap-laptop:~/cplus$ > > > > > > > > As you can see the little c++ example from the book does not compile. I > > added the (line 24) so you readers can see what line the g++ compiler > > see's an error. I simply can't see the error and so need some help. > > > > Your welcome to try it on your Linux and I hope you do. > > > statement should be: > cn >> feet ... > > Moreover, your example you gave about does not compile anyway. I get: > $> g++ -Wall foo.c -o foo > foo.c: In function ‘int main()’: > foo.c:19: error: ‘line’ was not declared in this scope > foo.c:19: error: expected `)' before numeric constant > > > Fix that. Try again. He did fix it. He said above that ”I added the (line 24) so you readers can see what line the g++ compiler see's an error”. The line he's talking about looks like this: ”(line 24) cin< > > Advice: use the usual c++ source code file extensions for c++ source > code (cc, cpp, c++, etc.). > > > I agree. Personally I prefer ”c++”. By the way, Karl, and way off topic: ”CM” doesn't mean centimeters. ”cm” does. I don't know what C means, but ”c” means ”centi”, ”m” means ”meter” and ”M” means ”mega”. So one million meters = 1 Mm, but for some strange reason people seem to rather say 1000 km, which indeed is the same thing but still I wonder why not using Mm instead. And why use tons? 1 ton is exactly the same as 1 Mg. Well, never mind… J.R. > > > > -- > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding > newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just > filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without > ever having been read. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:16:35 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:16:35 +0200 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <880dece00903131116u4be9ea98sae0416a60b995d9c@mail.gmail.com> > I work in a team (windows and linux) which develop programs using Qt for > both systems. One of the windows team has created a functionality which > opens the file browser (explorer) to browse through files. She uses > > explorer c:\mydir > > What is a linux equivalent for doing a similar thing that will work in both > KDE and GNOME (and perhaps also XFCE or other window managers)? > Don't forget to add an override option, or document how users can change their preferred file manager. Users will configure their preferred PDF app, web browser, and email client, but do not generally configure their preferred file manager as that is opened from a direct shortcut. For instance, in KDe3 the default file manager was Konqueror, but in KDE4 it is Dolphin. Despite this, many KDE4 users use Konqueror: they just add a Konqueror shortcut to the panel. Other KDe users use Kommander. Still others may prefer to manage files in Konsole! I know that quite a few Gnome users use Thunar instead of Nautilus as well. In short, don't assume that the configured default is the preferred file manager. Either give an override option, or document how the user can set his preferred file manager. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net Fri Mar 13 18:33:36 2009 From: mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net (Mike McGinn) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:33:36 -0400 Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <1992650467.718241236967103244.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1992650467.718241236967103244.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200903131433.37424.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> On Friday 03-13-2009 13:58:23 pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > Prior to experiencing problems w/ kde 4.2.1, I had > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main as an > active repository. I have since reinstalled 8.10 from scratch, copied over > the old /etc/apt/sources.list file, disabled the problematic repository and > also UNchecked "Unsupported Packages", yet the kde 4.2.1 packages still > appear as updates even after I force apt to rescan the package lists. > > Where is apt reading the kde4.2.1 debs from? > > Paul I am reinstalling my 8.10 system tomorrow. It is getting the KDE 4.2.1 from the backports. I made the mistake of enabling them - based on my experience with 8.04. I will not do that again. -- Mike McGinn No electrons were harmed in sending this message. My deeds are my dearest companions. I am the beneficiary of my deeds. My deeds are the ground on which I stand. "more kidneys than eyes!" "Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit." Registered Linux User 377849 From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 18:44:12 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:44:12 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: <49BAA97C.6030102@sbcglobal.net> Bill Moseley wrote: > What's the current status of write support for these devices? > > When connecting to an 8.10 machine I'm seeing: > > hfs: write access to a journaled filesystem is not supported, use > the force option at your own risk, mounting read-only. > > > > > My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC > iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the > bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > Forgot to factor in the cost of new Apple hardware into those song > purchases. ;) > > Workaround: If the HDD from the Mac didn't fail, do you have access to another Mac? Maybe boot a good mac from the iBook's HDD, then rip the music to regular audio CD? Or backup the iTunes Library to DVD and restore to iTunes on some other Windows or Mac setup? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 13 18:56:43 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:56:43 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: <49BAAC6B.3080706@chrononomicon.com> Bill Moseley wrote: > What's the current status of write support for these devices? > > When connecting to an 8.10 machine I'm seeing: > > hfs: write access to a journaled filesystem is not supported, use > the force option at your own risk, mounting read-only. > > > > > My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC > iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the > bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > Forgot to factor in the cost of new Apple hardware into those song > purchases. ;) If you can read from the filesystem, you might be able to copy the data off, then use Windows to reformat/reinitialize the iPod (maybe Windows virtualized in something like Virtualbox). His iTunes account should still be accessible once you get the Windows version installed. I suggest this because using the Windows iTunes to reformat the Nano should give it a FAT32 filesystem, and your system should then be able to mount it read/write. I also think that using that install of iTunes should give him access to the things he purchased previously, but you would find that out once you get it installed and connect to ITMS with his account. If not they may be able to help you with their support address; I know they've been helpful for us with issues involving billing and lost music before. From cl at isbd.net Fri Mar 13 19:22:26 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:22:26 +0000 Subject: How to get consistent screen resolution? Message-ID: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> I have a system using a big TV as its screen and it doesn't always come up at the correct resolution. I can't see any rhyme or reason as to when it gets it right and when it doesn't. The 'correct' resolution is 1920x1080 but it sometimes comes up at a 'non-widescreen' resolution of 1600x1200 or similar. Can anyone suggest why this might be happening? The DDC detection in Xorg.0.log shows the resolution I want to use but it doesn't appear in the display settings applet. -- Chris Green From vpadro at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:26:16 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:26:16 -0600 Subject: Common call for launching file browser In-Reply-To: <1365466.N6loVLaR6Z@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> <1365466.N6loVLaR6Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > > Derek Broughton said: > >> Charlie, you _know_ this is Linux - we can do anything! > >> > >> As long as you can identify the desktop, it can't be that difficult > >> (as xdg-open shows) to invoked the appropriate application for the > >> desktop - or it could be done through the "alternatives" system. > > > > As for xdg-open, it seems to me that it only opens a file with the > > preferred application or a URL with the preferred browser. Am I missing > > something? If it /does/ open a file manager I haven't been able to do > > it. > > In KDE it opens a "file" _with_ the file manager ("kfmclient"). It doesn't > leave you _in_ the file manager, because that isn't what you asked it to > do. However, if you ask it to open a directory ("xdg-open ~"), then sure > enough you get a file browser. Perhaps you can't do that in Gnome :-( > -- > derek > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > can someone using KDE(kubuntu) could do this on the konsole: youruser at yourmachine:/# konqueror /home/username (or any other directory) maybe it works. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kommander? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From evuraan at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:31:50 2009 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?=) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:31:50 -0700 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fbcd0710903131131s6638c22ete9c6ad87f680023e@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I now see that bc gave the correct answer, as a signed int though: $ printf "%u\n" -6246583658587674878 12200160415121876738 thank you all for the replies.! 2009/3/12 Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍ : > Greetings y'all..! > > Seen this sort of behaviour before? : > > mybash:>  a="7540113804746346429" > mybash:>  b="4660046610375530309" > mybash:> let c=(a+b) > mybash:> echo $c > -6246583658587674878 > > The correct answer should have been: 12200160415121876738 > > mybash:> echo "$a+$b" |bc -l > 12200160415121876738 > > > mybash:> bash --version > GNU bash, version 3.2.25(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) > Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > mybash:> > > I know, I can use bc,dc,awk, python and even a desk calculator  wide > enough :) - but, I am curious as to why is "let" letting us down? > > Does a known bug exist already? > > Any input would be much appreciated, many thanks in advance.! > From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Fri Mar 13 19:15:31 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:15:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: apt repository urls Message-ID: <8b8331e1-a2b0-42a2-9ca7-a46b52856ac0@default> Hi, I need to get a few packages from the debian unstable apt repository for some work I am doing to install onto my intrepid system. I cannot find the url for the main U.S. repositories for debian. Does anyone have those available? -- Oracle Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 20:18:11 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:18:11 +0100 Subject: OT: C++ Question In-Reply-To: <8ad06bca0903131057x4587838sde63c76493794b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <8ad06bca0903131057x4587838sde63c76493794b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I agree. Personally I prefer ”c++”. > By the way, Karl, and way off topic: ”CM” doesn't mean centimeters. ”cm” > does. I don't know what C means, but ”c” means ”centi”, ”m” means ”meter” > and ”M” means ”mega”. So one million meters = 1 Mm, but for some strange > reason people seem to rather say 1000 km, which indeed is the same thing but > still I wonder why not using Mm instead. And why use tons? 1 ton is exactly > the same as 1 Mg. Well, never mind… > J.R. I just found out today that ton in German means the same as in English but it also means barrel. I would guess that at some point one barrel weighed the same as one ton. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From trey at hi-flitones.com Fri Mar 13 19:28:44 2009 From: trey at hi-flitones.com (Bernardo Hicks) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:28:44 -0400 Subject: How to get consistent screen resolution? In-Reply-To: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> References: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <6a60a30f0903131228q1d3de334l1e018494a519d745@mail.gmail.com> I am having this same problem with my Mac OS X 10.5.6 Machine. When i called Apple about it they are having to research this problem with engineering. When i tried to write a script that would set resolution at Startup it still would not set the Resolution correctly. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Chris G wrote: > I have a system using a big TV as its screen and it doesn't always > come up at the correct resolution. I can't see any rhyme or reason as > to when it gets it right and when it doesn't. > > The 'correct' resolution is 1920x1080 but it sometimes comes up at a > 'non-widescreen' resolution of 1600x1200 or similar. > > Can anyone suggest why this might be happening? > > The DDC detection in Xorg.0.log shows the resolution I want to use but > it doesn't appear in the display settings applet. > > -- > Chris Green > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- All Work No Play -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have since reinstalled 8.10 from scratch, copied over > the old /etc/apt/sources.list file, disabled the problematic repository and > also UNchecked "Unsupported Packages", yet the kde 4.2.1 packages still > appear as updates even after I force apt to rescan the package lists. > > Where is apt reading the kde4.2.1 debs from? > > Paul I am reinstalling my 8.10 system tomorrow. It is getting the KDE 4.2.1 from the backports. I made the mistake of enabling them - based on my experience with 8.04. I will not do that again. -- Mike McGinn No electrons were harmed in sending this message. My deeds are my dearest companions. I am the beneficiary of my deeds. My deeds are the ground on which I stand. "more kidneys than eyes!" "Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit." 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URL: From dcurtis at uniserve.com Fri Mar 13 21:01:52 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:01:52 -0400 Subject: apt repository urls In-Reply-To: <8b8331e1-a2b0-42a2-9ca7-a46b52856ac0@default> References: <8b8331e1-a2b0-42a2-9ca7-a46b52856ac0@default> Message-ID: <20090313170152.61f0e69c.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:15:31 +0000 (GMT) Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > I need to get a few packages from the debian unstable apt repository for some work I am doing to install onto my intrepid system. > > I cannot find the url for the main U.S. repositories for debian. > > Does anyone have those available? > http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+mirrors From dcurtis at uniserve.com Fri Mar 13 21:10:48 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:10:48 -0400 Subject: backlight issue with laptop and 8.10 In-Reply-To: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ca17c950903122055y6c4cf113y379820ab0adfb973@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090313171048.cb9e0778.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:55:23 -0700 Larissa Ardis wrote: > Hi folks... > > Backatcha with this backlight problem on my laptop. The backlight > appears to dim significantly with fluctuating ambient light, which I > *don't* want it to do. > > David Curtis, thanks so much for the tip! I executed that sudo command > in a terminal window, and this is what appeared (between stars): > **** > larissa at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > smartdimmer is already the newest version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 104 not upgraded. > **** > So... does this mean I already have the component that you were > suggesting? How do I find/operate smartdimmer? Yes, already installed. 'smartdimmer --help' will tell you all you need to know. Also you might want to 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' to upgrade those 104 packages. But that could be a huge download. -- David Curtis From gentgerman at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 20:26:58 2009 From: gentgerman at gmail.com (German) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:26:58 -0400 Subject: Audio problem Message-ID: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> Hi list. My first question is this: are there any means than lspci to find out about my audio card? lspci seems not show this information to me. A command? A program? The second question is what to try to make the sound work? Thanks for any suggestions. German. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 21:03:46 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:03:46 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Bill Moseley wrote: > What's the current status of write support for these devices? > > When connecting to an 8.10 machine I'm seeing: > >    hfs: write access to a journaled filesystem is not supported, use >    the force option at your own risk, mounting read-only. Linux doesn't support writing to HFS+ with journalling, but it reads it fine. Thus your message. Doesn't matter which iPod it is, it's the journalled version of HFS+ that's the issue. You can hook it back up to a Mac and turn journalling off using Disk Utility (like it was in 10.2) and it'll work fine, or reformat it using a Windows machine running iTunes to FAT32. I'm sure there's a way to do this from linux as well if you don't have access to either a Mac or a Windows box. Brian From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Mar 13 22:00:12 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:00:12 -0400 Subject: bash "let" barfs on addition In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710903131131s6638c22ete9c6ad87f680023e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710903121157m124d103aw2d01ee9ac22dd7aa@mail.gmail.com> <6fbcd0710903131131s6638c22ete9c6ad87f680023e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BAD76C.7010008@gatech.edu> Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍ wrote: > Yes, I now see that bc gave the correct answer, as a signed int though: > > $ printf "%u\n" -6246583658587674878 > 12200160415121876738 Nice demonstration. Matt Flaschen From hdf3 at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 22:33:52 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:33:52 -0700 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing Message-ID: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> I am running a code to locate Near Earth Objects in astronomical CCD images. One element of the pipeline is a package called sextractor, that is also available as a deb package. I am running Ubuntu 8.10. My problem is that running gdm/gnome desktop appears to cost a factor of two in execution time. I have an 8 processor 16 core Opteron system with 32GB of ram. I would not have expected my application to be in competition with the gnome/gdm. And I could seen no competition with free or xosview tools. The code is executed from a remote machine via ssh, so there is no activity required by the local X environment. The following is the output from sextractor taken under gnome/gdm, then rebooted under fvwm. Under gnome/gdm: ----- SExtractor 2.5.0 started on 2009-03-13 at 14:51:25 with 1 thread Measuring from: "N26045" / 4110 x 4096 / 16 bits INTEGER data Weighting from: "N04053" / 4110 x 4096 / 32 bits FLOATING POINT data (M+D) Background: 1233.26 RMS: 18.2807 / Threshold: 19.1947 Objects: detected 65608 / sextracted 50033 > All done (in 66 s) 61.635u 4.456s 1:06.08 100.0% 0+0k 0+10848io 0pf+0w Under fvwm: ----- SExtractor 2.5.0 started on 2009-03-13 at 15:05:58 with 1 thread Measuring from: "N26045" / 4110 x 4096 / 16 bits INTEGER data Weighting from: "N04053" / 4110 x 4096 / 32 bits FLOATING POINT data (M+D) Background: 1233.26 RMS: 18.2807 / Threshold: 19.1947 Objects: detected 65608 / sextracted 50033 > All done (in 30 s) 26.821u 1.772s 0:29.98 95.3% 0+0k 199480+10848io 10pf+0w The user time under gnome is 61.635, under fvwm is 28.821. What can gnome/gdm be doing to slow down this application. Examination of /proc/cpuinfo reveals the same cpuspeed etc. for both runs. Please offer suggestions. don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From cl at isbd.net Fri Mar 13 22:07:45 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:07:45 +0000 Subject: What's that neat little utility for popping up GUI boxes? Message-ID: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> I recently came across a neat little utility for popping up GUI dialogue boxes with commands from a script but, now I want to use it, I've forgotten its name completely. Can anyone help? -- Chris Green From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 22:51:54 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:51:54 -0500 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > The following is the output from sextractor taken under gnome/gdm, then > rebooted under fvwm. Just to clarify - is the remote machine running Gnome/Fvwm or the local machine? Chris From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 22:59:55 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:59:55 -0500 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > Please offer suggestions. What is the output of: 'time' -v sextractor in each environment? Chris From hdf3 at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 23:06:49 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:06:49 -0700 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BAE709.2080909@comcast.net> The remote machine. Gnome/fvwm run on the same machine that the sextractor is execution on. I am running the applications from my laptop. don Chris Mohler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > >> The following is the output from sextractor taken under gnome/gdm, then >> rebooted under fvwm. > > Just to clarify - is the remote machine running Gnome/Fvwm or the > local machine? > > Chris > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dcurtis at uniserve.com Fri Mar 13 23:12:11 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:12:11 -0400 Subject: What's that neat little utility for popping up GUI boxes? In-Reply-To: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> References: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> Message-ID: <20090313191211.7b566cdf.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:07:45 +0000 Chris G wrote: > I recently came across a neat little utility for popping up GUI > dialogue boxes with commands from a script but, now I want to use it, > I've forgotten its name completely. Can anyone help? > > -- > Chris Green > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users zenity -- David Curtis From hdf3 at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 23:24:07 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:24:07 -0700 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BAEB17.90001@comcast.net> Chris, The line below the sextractor is from the system, user time, system time, elapsed wall clock time, % of CPU used, input+output ios, number of page faults and swaps. This comes from tcsh, documented on the man page at line 3089. These times match the time printed by sextractor, so I have some confidence in their validity. don Chris Mohler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > >> Please offer suggestions. > > What is the output of: > > 'time' -v sextractor > > in each environment? > > Chris > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From hdf3 at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 23:32:44 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:32:44 -0700 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BAED1C.9090202@comcast.net> Chris, I rand the code twice which is why the number of input IOs is zero for the run under gnome. I ran twice under fvwm with the following output: 26.677u 1.724s 0:28.47 99.7% 0+0k 0+10848io 0pf+0w Which again shows zero input IOs. Just so things match:-) don Chris Mohler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > >> Please offer suggestions. > > What is the output of: > > 'time' -v sextractor > > in each environment? > > Chris > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From odzangba at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 22:00:26 2009 From: odzangba at gmail.com (Odzangba K. Dake) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:00:26 +0000 Subject: How to get consistent screen resolution? In-Reply-To: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> References: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <200903132200.27688.odzangba@gmail.com> On Friday 13 March 2009 19:22:26 Chris G wrote: > I have a system using a big TV as its screen and it doesn't always > come up at the correct resolution. I can't see any rhyme or reason as > to when it gets it right and when it doesn't. > > The 'correct' resolution is 1920x1080 but it sometimes comes up at a > 'non-widescreen' resolution of 1600x1200 or similar. > > Can anyone suggest why this might be happening? > > The DDC detection in Xorg.0.log shows the resolution I want to use but > it doesn't appear in the display settings applet. Do you have compiz fusion enabled? I had a similar issue, only the resolution kept getting changed if I went full screen when playing a video with totem. Fixed it by setting the correct resolution in CCSM. You want to look at the General Options > Display Settings tab... there's a section on Outputs. -- Odzangba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 21:59:02 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:59:02 +0100 Subject: OT: C++ Question In-Reply-To: References: <49B97959.2090807@gmail.com> <8ad06bca0903131057x4587838sde63c76493794b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903131459k6353c21cw4ff30b1da6c01c7a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/13 Knapp > > I agree. Personally I prefer ”c++”. > > By the way, Karl, and way off topic: ”CM” doesn't mean centimeters. ”cm” > > does. I don't know what C means, but ”c” means ”centi”, ”m” means ”meter” > > and ”M” means ”mega”. So one million meters = 1 Mm, but for some strange > > reason people seem to rather say 1000 km, which indeed is the same thing > but > > still I wonder why not using Mm instead. And why use tons? 1 ton is > exactly > > the same as 1 Mg. Well, never mind… > > J.R. > > I just found out today that ton in German means the same as in English > but it also means barrel. More OT: It's ”ton” in Swedish too. But if you pronounce ”ton" with a long ”o” sound, sounding more like ”toon”, it means ”tone”, but it's still spelled ”ton”. J.R. > I would guess that at some point one barrel > weighed the same as one ton. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Why do we live? > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanos at writeme.com Fri Mar 13 23:21:06 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:21:06 +0000 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49BAEA62.9000004@writeme.com> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > Stephen Constantinou wrote: > >> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >> >>> >. . . >>> >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >>> >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >>> >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >>> >. . . >>> >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >>> >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >>> >individual e-mail boxes/files. >>> > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >>> >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >>> >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >>> >state that they are links and do not have permissions. >>> > >>> >Questions >>> >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >>> >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >>> >View & Modify? >>> > >>> >Any help appreciated >>> > >>> >Stephen >>> >>> The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just >>> use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? >>> >>> Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more >>> information would be nice. :) >>> You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in >>> your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here >>> so that we could see the details of the links you made? >>> >>> I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with >>> what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. >>> Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the >>> line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) >>> I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder >>> ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos >>> (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) >>> >>> If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using >>> the chmod command >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> ============================================================================== >>> This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. >>> ============================================================================== >>> >>> >> Dear All >> >> Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls >> etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading >> the mail boxes directly from C drive. >> >> Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try >> this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 >> into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the >> situation. >> >> With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server >> Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display >> that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to >> change the location. >> >> With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. >> Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local >> Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to >> set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. >> >> Is my Thunderbird different to yours? >> >> Thanks and wait to hear >> >> Stephen >> >> > It's acting different than TBird (2.0.0.19) here on my Ubuntu > machine, and every other TBird install I've seen, regardless of OS... > Did you install TBird from Ubuntu repos, or somewhere else? > > Dear All I posted a question on the mozilla/Thunderbird forum and solved this one. I am embarrassed to say that the window showing the server setting only had to be resized to show the Local Directory. I have now pointed this to the xp partition and tested it. I am now able to see the and use the same mail folders in both xp and Ubuntu. A much better solution than using symbolic links. Thanks to all and thanks to Alan for suggesting this Best wishes Stephen From raquel at thericehouse.net Fri Mar 13 22:32:12 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:32:12 -0700 Subject: Audio problem In-Reply-To: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> References: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> Message-ID: <20090313153212.f07482c6.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:26:58 -0400 German wrote: > Hi list. My first question is this: are there any means than lspci > to find out about my audio card? lspci seems not show this > information to me. A command? A program? The second question is > what to try to make the sound work? Thanks for any suggestions. > > German. > Check out 'lshw', available in the repositories. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. --Bernard Berenson From stephen_o at rogers.com Sat Mar 14 03:12:07 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:12:07 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. Message-ID: <49BB2087.7000508@rogers.com> Hello My modem is a SM56 data/fax by Motorola. I have been trying to get it set up so I can send and receive faxes. I found some information about slamr(kernal) but I can't seem to find any more info. I have downloaded slamr-2.6.27-11-generic with the install instructions. Every time I try to install it I get a bunch of errors and it doesn't work. I downloaded slamr-2.6.27-7-generic and booted my system with kernal 2.6.27-7 and I get an error message that I need the 64bit version. I did a google search and couldn't find any 64 bit modem drivers. This is what happened when I tried to install slamr-2.6.27-11-generic; stephen at Stephen01:~$ cd install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo gedit /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon [sudo] password for stephen: stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo ./setup installing driver for kernel version 2.6.27-11-generic Installing Smartlink support. FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format FATAL: Error inserting slamr (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such file or directory error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' Installing the Debian sl-modem-daemon package for autoloading drivers and modem setup. Copying over newer files Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra Checking driver install slamr.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 SmartLink Soft Modem: version 2.9.11 Nov 27 2008 14:36:23 Finished installs. Informing the System Starting function tests, loading drivers: FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format FATAL: Error inserting slamr (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format Running diagnostic: ports should be created by: slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such file or directory error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' Checking for success Port creation with slmodemd failed. Read the slamrInst.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . I would appreciate any help; Stephen Oulton. From evuraan at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 19:48:16 2009 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?=) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:48:16 -0700 Subject: bc LF/CR near the 68th char? Message-ID: <6fbcd0710903131248qc3129jdc2c37d47686d1e8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, bc folds (LF/CR) right after the 68th char or so, when working with large numbers. is there a way to avoid the folding from within bc? 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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 13 23:15:59 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:15:59 +0100 Subject: What's that neat little utility for popping up GUI boxes? In-Reply-To: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> References: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> Message-ID: <20090314001559.e53484c0.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:07:45 +0000 Chris G wrote: > I recently came across a neat little utility for popping up GUI > dialogue boxes with commands from a script but, now I want to use it, > I've forgotten its name completely. Can anyone help? "Zenity" perhaps ? -- Vince From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 21:59:54 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:59:54 -0700 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 10:42 AM, Bill Moseley wrote: > What's the current status of write support for these devices? > > When connecting to an 8.10 machine I'm seeing: > > hfs: write access to a journaled filesystem is not supported, use > the force option at your own risk, mounting read-only. > > > > > My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC > iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the > bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > Forgot to factor in the cost of new Apple hardware into those song > purchases. ;) > > Not sure (I don't have an ipod), but perhaps these will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html [note: there is a gtkpod and gtkpod-aac in the multiver repositories; From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 00:28:25 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:28:25 -0700 Subject: openoffice base, don't show created tables In-Reply-To: <49BA2AE1.105@onrails.lt> References: <49BA2AE1.105@onrails.lt> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 02:44 AM, Darius wrote: > Hi, > > I use OpenOffice Base connect to mysql. I can create new table, than > save it successful, but if I close odb file, and than open, I don't see > any before created tables, if i create new table, I see only newly > created table, old table exists but OO Base don't show it. View->refresh > tables doesn't help. > Your best place for quick Base support is the Base mailing lists[1], or the OOo forum[2]. [1] I'm showing you the long way to get there so that you'll gain some familiarity with projects etc: http://projects.openoffice.org/index.html [Projects - click on Base / Database Access] http://dba.openoffice.org/ Base project home - left column under 'Project Tools' - click Mailing lists. Or click on the wiki link: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Base_Documentation The main mailing list for OpenOffice.org Base is users at dba.openoffice.org [2] http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ Base section. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 22:52:44 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:52:44 -0700 Subject: Audio problem In-Reply-To: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> References: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 01:26 PM, German wrote: > Hi list. My first question is this: are there any means than lspci to > find out about my audio card? lspci seems not show this information to > me. A command? A program? The second question is what to try to make the > sound work? Thanks for any suggestions. > > German. > > $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall lshw $ sudo lshw > myhardware.txt $ gedit myhardware.txt (to view from gedit - or just use 'cat myhardware.txt) From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 19:54:35 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:54:35 -0300 Subject: WiFi problems... References: <61245.63814.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49B9D2A1.1070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2292638.JVZyaqKZey@cedar.serverforest.com> Roy Smith wrote: > Just on a whim I decided to put the Live-CD in my laptop, an lo and > behold the WiFi works on it. I had tried before to get Heron working > on this HP Compac nx6325 with the Broadcom 802.11 card but didn't have > any luck. Though with Intrepid it's working perfectly... You probably got completely new drivers. The old ones, iirc, were blacklisted in the Intrepid install. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 19:59:08 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:08 -0300 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: <1415034.0k7saPNYCx@cedar.serverforest.com> Bill Moseley wrote: > My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC > iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the > bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. While, of course, I would never suggest you circumvent DRM, I find the concept that "of course" Rhythmbox can't play it because of DRM issues surprising. I would strongly suspect that it _can_ (I don't do iPods, iTunes or Rhythmbox). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 20:15:02 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:15:02 -0300 Subject: Common call for launching file browser References: <200903120930.20890.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090312073456.4f35eeea@teamcharliesangels.com> <4856884.g2LZqcvuXr@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090312204358.43f9f328@WizardsTower> <1365466.N6loVLaR6Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <16070791.3ZPuQNOC0G@cedar.serverforest.com> Victor Padro wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: > >> In KDE it opens a "file" _with_ the file manager ("kfmclient"). It >> doesn't leave you _in_ the file manager, because that isn't what you >> asked it to >> do. However, if you ask it to open a directory ("xdg-open ~"), then sure >> enough you get a file browser. Perhaps you can't do that in Gnome :-( > > can someone using KDE(kubuntu) could do this on the konsole: > youruser at yourmachine:/# konqueror /home/username (or any other directory) > maybe it works. Of course it works. _Why_ would I do that? It forces a _new_ konqueror, when I expect everything to open in the same window. It doesn't honor my session settings. It's just an all-round bad way to start a konqueror session. xdg-open uses kfmclient, because that's the correct way to start the file manager in KDE (and Dotan, I think it's still the way in Intrepid, whether you're using Dolphin or Konqueror as your file manager). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 13 19:52:46 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:52:46 -0300 Subject: How to keep unnecessary processes from starting References: <86skll740d.fsf@sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5384326.h1BFEZVpuR@cedar.serverforest.com> Charles Howse wrote: > > On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote: > >> Charles Howse writes: >> >>> Hi, >>> I have 8.10-server-i386 running in command-line only. >>> Surely some of the processes below are unnecessary. >>> What's the best way to separate the wheat from the chaff? >>> >> >> k* processes are chaff :-)... > The only thing I use the machine for is to upload files for storage, > and I need a pop3 server to get the system logs and reports via email > on my Mac. Well, a pop/imap or smtp server - you could _send_ them rather than retrieving them. > Could you lease explain why k* processes are chaff? Let's assume he was making a rather poor attempt at a joke, since he put a smiley on the line. Generally process names beginning with "k" are "kernel" tasks - so definitely not chaff. Of course, kde tasks begin with "k" too, but you don't have any... -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 18:32:07 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:32:07 -0700 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: > NoOp wrote: ... >> >> Using wine? >> Create a txt (settings.txt) file in fx your home folder containing this: >> Code: >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\X11 Driver] >> "ClientSideWithRender"="N" >> >> Go to a terminal window and write: >> Code: >> >> regedit settings.txt >> >> Remember to reboot your system after installing the driver. >> >> > *Ok I did the above, making a txt file in my home folder, named > settings.txt and then added the [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\wine\X11 Driver] > "ClientSideWithRender"="N" > > Then regedit settings.txt, then I rebooted the system, low, and behold > it worked...!!!!!!!!! Cool! Glad you finally got it sorted out. > * >> Maybe that will help? What happens when you did that? >> >> Also, you can manually edit the file: >> http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/wine-user/registry >> >> So, you open ~/.wine/user.reg and add to the bottome of the file: >> > * * >> [Software\\Wine\\X11 Driver] 1236900048 >> "ClientSideWithRender"="N" >> >> The only bit that I'm not sure of is the '1236900048' value. That's what >> I get on this system when I 'regedit settings.txt', but on another >> system it is '1236904239'. You can try leaving off the '123...' and see >> if it gives you a workable enough view that you can then run 'regedit' >> and edit from there. Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? $ gedit ~/.wine/user.reg Should be at the very bottom of the file. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 16:41:58 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:58 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> Message-ID: On 03/12/2009 08:19 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > NoOp said: >> Not all menu items will have a full path, but an quick and easy way to >> see what the properties are (rather than having to wait for the Edit >> Menu to grind itself into motion) is to go to the menu icon, right >> click and 'Add this launcher to panel'. Then right click the icon on >> the panel and select 'Properties'. In the 'Command' section you'll >> either see a full path w/command, or in many cases just a system >> command ('ooffice -writer %U' for example). When finished just remove >> the icon from the panel. > > Doesn't do that? > > cybe at WizardsTower:~$ man which Isnt' there a 'sloppy joe' sandwich mix with that name :-) [3] As Mario pointed out, 'which' _might_ work _if_ you know the name of the executable. But try entering: $ which File Browser [1] or $ which writer or which OpenOffice.org Word Processor[2] You see it isn't quite that easy. [1] This is what the user sees in the Applications|Accessories menu. You and I know it is actually 'nautilus', but many (most?) don't. [2] The user knows that when OpenOffice.org Writer opens up it's called 'Writer', the the menu item shows "OpenOffice.org Word Processor". [3] Hunt's Manwich Sloppy Joe Sauce :-) From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 16:31:47 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:31:47 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <87eix14xmj.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <87eix14xmj.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 01:48 AM, Florian Diesch wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> On 03/12/2009 07:01 PM, Florian Diesch wrote: >>> "David M. Karr" wrote: >>> >>>> I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", >>>> find it, then install it. >>>> >>>> I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me >>>> the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the >>>> application. >>>> >>>> Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session >>>> startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to >>>> browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full >>>> path to an executable. >>> >>> You can drag&drop an item from the start menu into the list of start programs. >> >> Can you explain how? For instance whenever I turn on my system in the >> morning I always open Nautilus & 2 other apps; I open >> System|Preferences|Sessions|Startup Programs, I then open >> Applications|Accessories & try to drag & drop 'File Browser' to the >> 'Startup Programs' and it doesn't work (both on Hardy and Intrepid). > > That's how it works here (Intrepid) - at least I get an entry in the > list, I didn't check if it really gets started. > > Note that I don't use the "Add" button but just drop the app into the > list. > > > What exactly doesn't work for you: Can't you drag the app out of the > menu (the icon is used as mouse cursor as you are dragging) or can't > you drop the app into the list? I can drag the icon out of the menu, but when I drop the app into the list (release the mouse button), the icon flys back on to the Applications menu. From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 01:19:33 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:19:33 -0500 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: <49BAE709.2080909@comcast.net> References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> <49BAE709.2080909@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:06 PM, don fisher wrote: > The remote machine. Gnome/fvwm run on the same machine that the > sextractor is execution on. I am running the applications from my laptop. Now that *is* odd! I can't think of any good reason why having Gnome loaded would roughly double the execution time - my first instinct was that it was your local machine and possibly a bug in gnome-terminal, but since the problem is on the remote machine I'm stumped. I guess you need more knowledge than I can provide :) Anyone? Chris PS - thanks for clearing up the IO - that looked funny to me ;) From smoot at tic.com Sat Mar 14 04:21:49 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:21:49 -0700 Subject: bc LF/CR near the 68th char? In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710903131248qc3129jdc2c37d47686d1e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710903131248qc3129jdc2c37d47686d1e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237004509.15332.155.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 12:48 -0700, Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍ wrote: > Hi all, > > bc folds (LF/CR) right after the 68th char or so, when working with > large numbers. is there a way to avoid the folding from within bc? (I > know I can use c=$(echo $a |bc -l) ; echo $c |sed 's/\\ //g' as a work > around) - but if this could be done from within bc, that wud be > nice..! See the man page. Set the environment variable BC_LINE_LENGTH=0 -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 23:00:44 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:00:44 -0500 Subject: Audio problem In-Reply-To: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> References: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM, German wrote: > Hi list. My first question is this: are there any means than lspci to > find out about my audio card? lspci seems not show this information to > me. A command? A program? The second question is what to try to make the > sound work? Thanks for any suggestions. Have you tried 'sudo lspci' or 'sudo lshw' ? Chris From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net Sat Mar 14 04:40:07 2009 From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:40:07 -0400 Subject: Again installing Ubuntu on Acer Travelmate 5530G In-Reply-To: References: <49B9A288.80101@pp1.inet.fi> Message-ID: <1237005607.8315.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 01:50 -0300, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Matthias Andersson > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi! > > > > I've been trying to install ubuntu on my new laptop but I've forgot what > > I did the last time to get it to work, now when I boot I get the > > following messages > > > > "acpi#0 not found (buggy bios)" and "ata1 soft reset failed (device not > > ready)" and "ata2 soft reset failed (device not ready)". > > > > The install then goes onto trying to boot into the graphical mode and > > fails, the installation is not proceeding from that point onward and I'm > > left at a command prompt. > > > > I've tried the acpi=off, noapic and nolapic options to no avail. > > > > I have been able to install arch linux successfully on the laptop by > > giving the boot parameter rootdelay=8. I've tried 8.10 alternative dvd > > 64-bit and jaunty alpha-5 64-bit. The problem with the 8.10 install is > > also that the radeonhd driver is the older 1.2.1 version which is not > > sufficient for the ATI RadeonHD 3470 x2. > > > > > > I would like to install Ubuntu on the laptop but I'm willing to leave > > Arch on it. > > > > //Matthias > > May I suggest that you: > > - Reset your BIOS to default settings and eventually disable > everything that is not required. > > - Remove the "quiet" parameter from the boot line to have details > about the boot process and see were it stops. > > - Try the "pci=nomsi" parameter or combinations of the already tried params. > > - If Linux is your only system, check if your BIOS has an "AHCI" or > Linux mode option. > > - and pray... Entering this late, I too have an Acer, and I get ACPI lockups during the boot process, the system worked fine before being replatformed and suffering a new kernel, in the process. I suspect that there is a problem with ACER's choice of hardware and the current Linux Kernel. From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 04:53:58 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:23:58 +0530 Subject: Screen Sharing Plugin for Pidgin Message-ID: <3c3933e40903132153u1c6d6d87g42522147877f0dea@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday I was chating with my friend who was using Mac Book Pro and I am using Ubuntu 8.04. He was using iChat and I was using Pidgin for IM purpose. In our conversation he asked to share his screen with me as in iChat they are having option to share the desktop but it was disabled for me as I was on Pidgin. Do we have some plugin to enable the screen sharing in Pidgin so that we could do screen sharing with the person using Mac ? Any other interesting software that works with iChat screen sharing option ? Thanks in advance for any response. -- Ashish From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 06:27:44 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:27:44 -0700 Subject: Screen Sharing Plugin for Pidgin In-Reply-To: <3c3933e40903132153u1c6d6d87g42522147877f0dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c3933e40903132153u1c6d6d87g42522147877f0dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 09:53 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: > Yesterday I was chating with my friend who was using Mac Book Pro and > I am using Ubuntu 8.04. > > He was using iChat and I was using Pidgin for IM purpose. > In our conversation he asked to share his screen with me as in iChat > they are having option to share the desktop but it was disabled for me > as I was on Pidgin. > > Do we have some plugin to enable the screen sharing in Pidgin so that > we could do screen sharing with the person using Mac ? > Any other interesting software that works with iChat screen sharing option ? > > Thanks in advance for any response. > > -- > Ashish > I suspect that you probably checked these first: http://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&q=pidgin+&btnG=Search http://pidgin.im/ http://pidgin.im/support/ http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using_Pidgin From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 07:02:53 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:02:53 -0500 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <20090314020253.5469636f@WizardsTower> NoOp said: > Isnt' there a 'sloppy joe' sandwich mix with that name :-) [3] Ah, puns. My man! > > As Mario pointed out, 'which' _might_ work _if_ you know the name of > the executable. But try entering: > $ which File Browser [1] > or > $ which writer or which OpenOffice.org Word Processor[2] > > You see it isn't quite that easy. Very true. I didn't think that through, obviously. > > [1] This is what the user sees in the Applications|Accessories menu. > You and I know it is actually 'nautilus', but many (most?) don't. > > [2] The user knows that when OpenOffice.org Writer opens up it's > called 'Writer', the the menu item shows "OpenOffice.org Word > Processor". > > [3] Hunt's Manwich Sloppy Joe Sauce :-) Here's an alternate solution. Open the menu editor(System>Preferences>Main Menu), navigate to the program in the menu items display on the right, right click and choose, "Properties." The path should show under, "Command." Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From vpadro at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 08:52:43 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:52:43 -0600 Subject: Screen Sharing Plugin for Pidgin In-Reply-To: References: <3c3933e40903132153u1c6d6d87g42522147877f0dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/13/2009 09:53 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: > > Yesterday I was chating with my friend who was using Mac Book Pro and > > I am using Ubuntu 8.04. > > > > He was using iChat and I was using Pidgin for IM purpose. > > In our conversation he asked to share his screen with me as in iChat > > they are having option to share the desktop but it was disabled for me > > as I was on Pidgin. > > > > Do we have some plugin to enable the screen sharing in Pidgin so that > > we could do screen sharing with the person using Mac ? > > Any other interesting software that works with iChat screen sharing > option ? > > > > Thanks in advance for any response. > > > > -- > > Ashish > > > > I suspect that you probably checked these first: > > http://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&q=pidgin+&btnG=Search > > http://pidgin.im/ > http://pidgin.im/support/ > http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ > http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using_Pidgin > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Maybe you should google a little bit more: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sharing+screen+using+pidgin&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Screen Sharing - Remote Meetings Application like WebEx http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7487/ Pidgin plugins http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins Pidgin FAQ http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ Pidgin User Guide http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin enjoy reading. :) -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 10:18:13 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:18:13 +0100 Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <1331330259.797371236976479010.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1331330259.797371236976479010.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1237025893.7259.7.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 20:34 +0000, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > And how do you disable backports? Uncheck them in System-> Administration -> Software Sources. Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file? Would be interesting to see. Also, perform "apt-cache policy " for one of the kde packages that offend you and post the output. It will tell you exactly that the update situation is for that package. From cl at isbd.net Sat Mar 14 10:30:59 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:30:59 +0000 Subject: What's that neat little utility for popping up GUI boxes? In-Reply-To: <20090313191211.7b566cdf.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <20090313220745.GA24177@v-shell-1.gradwell.net> <20090313191211.7b566cdf.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <20090314103059.GA24263@v-shell-1> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:12:11PM -0400, David Curtis wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:07:45 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > > > I recently came across a neat little utility for popping up GUI > > dialogue boxes with commands from a script but, now I want to use it, > > I've forgotten its name completely. Can anyone help? > > > > zenity That's the one, thank you! -- Chris Green From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 10:44:33 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:14:33 +0530 Subject: Screen Sharing Plugin for Pidgin In-Reply-To: References: <3c3933e40903132153u1c6d6d87g42522147877f0dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c3933e40903140344l100dadbbyc5ade597da380bd4@mail.gmail.com> None of the link worked for me. As I was interested for some plugin. More hints ? -- Ashish On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Victor Padro wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, NoOp wrote: >> >> On 03/13/2009 09:53 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: >> > Yesterday I was chating with my friend who was using Mac Book Pro and >> > I am using Ubuntu 8.04. >> > >> > He was using iChat and I was using Pidgin for IM purpose. >> > In our conversation he asked to share his screen with me as in iChat >> > they are having option to share the desktop but it was disabled for me >> > as I was on Pidgin. >> > >> > Do we have some plugin to enable the screen sharing in Pidgin so that >> > we could do screen sharing with the person using Mac ? >> > Any other interesting software that works with iChat screen sharing >> > option ? >> > >> > Thanks in advance for any response. >> > >> > -- >> > Ashish >> > >> >> I suspect that you probably checked these first: >> >> http://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&q=pidgin+&btnG=Search >> >> http://pidgin.im/ >>  http://pidgin.im/support/ >> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ >> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using_Pidgin >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Maybe you should google a little bit more: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sharing+screen+using+pidgin&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= > > Screen Sharing - Remote Meetings Application like WebEx > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7487/ > > Pidgin plugins > http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins > > Pidgin FAQ > http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ > > Pidgin User Guide > http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin > > enjoy reading. :) > > -- > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente > servidas" > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From larryesu at charter.net Sat Mar 14 12:38:48 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:38:48 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> Message-ID: <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: > >> NoOp wrote: >> > Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? > > $ gedit ~/.wine/user.reg > > Should be at the very bottom of the file. > > > *At the very bottom, it shows [Software\\{NSINAME}] 12324133335 I went through each one, yet it does not show [Software\\Wine\\X11 Driver] ...??? Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From loic.grenie at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 13:12:04 2009 From: loic.grenie at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc_Greni=E9?=) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:12:04 +0100 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> Message-ID: <9b06e8d20903140612n73752af2hb04750031f170208@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/14 Larry Shields : > NoOp wrote: >> On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: >> >>> NoOp wrote: >>> >> Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? I guess the 123... number is the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970. It probably signs the last time this entry was edited. Loïc From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 13:38:48 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:38:48 -0700 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49BBB368.3010605@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> I routinely get bounce messages from Charter.com when emailing a friend >> of mine in Texas, but she always gets the messages anyway. >> > > What do they say? Sometimes you'll get a "temporarily unavailable" type > message that says delivery will be retried. > > >> I've emailed >> the contact address listed for Charter in the bounce messages a couple >> of times explaining the problem, but have to date not received a reply >> from them, or seen a fix for the problem occur. >> >> Just one of those annoying things that happen with some isp's. >> > > Uh-huh. One of the most abused requirements of the mail RFCs is that > bounces should come from a routeable email address. Most of the ones I > get, don't, and the rest probably come from an address that routes straight > to the bit-bucket. > Hello, Here is the error message from one of the bounce messages. > This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > > Other or undefined network or routing status > > Please reply to Postmaster at charter.net > if you feel this message to be in error Every email I send to her results in one of these error messages. I guess it's not real iimportant since she always gets the mail, but it's annoying to keep getting the bounce messages. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From jdz99 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 13:39:22 2009 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:39:22 +0000 Subject: intel 64 bit version Message-ID: Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? I only see the AMD version, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 14 13:49:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:49:56 -0400 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> Jim Douglas wrote: > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? I only see the AMD version, > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 Intel's 64-bit is a reimplementation of AMD's spec. Matt Flaschen From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 13:51:06 2009 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -0400 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2759cf860903140651n1a20ee54j7ce7d64223851820@mail.gmail.com> it works fine on intel as well On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Jim Douglas wrote: > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version?  I only see the AMD version, > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 > > > > > ________________________________ > Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From tucker.bc at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 13:53:12 2009 From: tucker.bc at gmail.com (Brian Tucker) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:53:12 -0500 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jim Douglas wrote: > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version?  I only see the AMD version, > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 > The "64-bit PC (AMD64) server install CD" is for both AMD and Intel (EM64T ). http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 13:57:02 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:57:02 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation Message-ID: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> The following error is generated on a fully updated 8.04 server using only Ubuntu supplied packages. It seems to boil down to 'no module named unicodedata' but for the life of me I can't unwind that and figure out what the missing pieces are, and preferring not to go outside apt. Thx. bzr: ERROR: exceptions.ImportError: No module named unicodedata Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 834, in run_bzr_catch_errors return run_bzr(argv) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 790, in run_bzr ret = run(*run_argv) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 492, in run_argv_aliases return self.run(**all_cmd_args) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/builtins.py", line 1012, in run accelerator_tree, hardlink) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/branch.py", line 771, in create_checkout hardlink=hardlink) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/bzrdir.py", line 1242, in create_workingtree accelerator_tree=accelerator_tree, hardlink=hardlink) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/workingtree_4.py", line 1358, in initialize hardlink=hardlink) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/transform.py", line 1494, in build_tree return _build_tree(tree, wt, accelerator_tree, hardlink) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/transform.py", line 1598, in _build_tree result = tt.apply(no_conflicts=True) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/transform.py", line 1200, in apply modified_paths = self._apply_insertions(inventory_delta, mover) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/transform.py", line 1301, in _apply_insertions self.final_file_id(trans_id)) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/inventory.py", line 1412, in make_entry name = ensure_normalized_name(name) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/inventory.py", line 1431, in ensure_normalized_name norm_name, can_access = osutils.normalized_filename(name) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/osutils.py", line 1037, in _inaccessible_normalized_filename normalized = unicodedata.normalize('NFC', unicode(path)) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/lazy_import.py", line 106, in __getattribute__ obj = _replace() File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/lazy_import.py", line 89, in _replace obj = factory(self, scope, name) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/lazy_import.py", line 196, in _import module = __import__(module_python_path, scope, scope, []) ImportError: No module named unicodedata bzr 1.3.1 on python 2.5.2.final.0 (linux2) arguments: ['/usr/bin/bzr', 'checkout', '--lightweight', 'sftp://admin.dedtailsbydesign.com/', '/'] encoding: 'UTF-8', fsenc: 'UTF-8', lang: 'en_US.UTF-8' -- Hal From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 14:06:37 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:06:37 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <1415034.0k7saPNYCx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <1415034.0k7saPNYCx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49BBB9ED.9000805@chrononomicon.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Bill Moseley wrote: > >> My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC >> iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the >> bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > > While, of course, I would never suggest you circumvent DRM, I find the > concept that "of course" Rhythmbox can't play it because of DRM issues > surprising. I would strongly suspect that it _can_ (I don't do iPods, > iTunes or Rhythmbox). As I recall, the music industry recently had some concessions from Apple in return for allowing Apple to release songs without DRM. There were supposed to be changes in iTunes that allowed the new DRM-free songs to be automatically converted for end users. I haven't looked into it too much because I haven't run into too many problems (and Apple traditionally made...allowances...to accidentally bypass DRM for people willing to invest a little extra time with their burners...). Then again I use my iPod for apps and podcasts more than music... From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 14:13:46 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:13:46 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is find the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have save the documents and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iodine at runbox.no Sat Mar 14 14:50:18 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:50:18 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBC42A.60707@runbox.no> Ashley Benton wrote: > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu > I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is find > the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the > files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix > his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have save the documents > and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I > am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. > Any help would be appreciated Since his system already is fubar, what harm would it do to delete the files? It's not like it's gonna get worse, is it? Otoh, you don't have to delete the files, you could just move them to another folder. but that may be unpractical, depending on the number of files. I'd say you have to bite the bullet, delete the files and hope for the best. If it's dead after that, you should locate a W2K disc. They shouldn't be that hard to get ahold of. I don't suppose you could persuade him to install Ubuntu? That would be the ultimate cure. -- Odd From hackercompany at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 14:54:17 2009 From: hackercompany at gmail.com (Ashmeet Singh) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:24:17 +0530 Subject: No Nautilus Message-ID: <547af8600903140754leee3c07o9fb676a49c340327@mail.gmail.com> The other day I was playing Alien Arena. after I finished and closed the application I noticed that My nautilus was was slow, So I went to the System Monitor and Killed the process. Now as usual the nautilus shd have started automatically but it didn't so I restarted the system. Now a strange thing happened, when I restarted the system there was nothing My screen is now blank with only the cursor.The cursor moves but there is nothing is it. Now please tell me how to repair it. My data is very precious to me From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Mar 14 14:56:44 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley Benton wrote: > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > at all by itself This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus related issues are the only problem that you are having here? so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu > I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is find > the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the > files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix > his Windows and get rid of the viruses? Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers three options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. 1. Just warn 2. delete the affected file(s) 3. move those files to a save place Use option 3. I would have save the documents > and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I > am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to come? Kind regards Eberhard From iodine at runbox.no Sat Mar 14 15:02:21 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:02:21 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBC6FD.8000009@runbox.no> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Ashley Benton wrote: >> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his >> computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work >> at all by itself > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? It's not uncommon. Often people are infected with a variety of different malware. These tend not to play well with each other. Result is a DOA Windows install. -- Odd From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:04:08 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:04:08 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Ashley Benton wrote: > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > > at all by itself > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? It seems so about 5 trojan and 2 adware generic, Anyway all the CPU is used and the computer completely unresponsive. I tried the live cd and it also became unresponsive. So I just mounted the hard drive on my computer, no more problem. > > > so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu > > I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is find > > the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the > > files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix > > his Windows and get rid of the viruses? > Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers three > options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. > 1. Just warn > 2. delete the affected file(s) > 3. move those files to a save place > > Use option 3. > I have no option, it just tell me which files are infected with what and where. I tried clamav, and avg. I also tried avast but it only crashed. > > > I would have save the documents > > and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I > > am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. > > Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to come? I did a while ago and he is not ready for a change > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 14 14:26:10 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:26:10 -0300 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> <49BBB368.3010605@cmc.net> Message-ID: <19653649.00q2lcdhAS@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Here is the error message from one of the bounce messages. > >> This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >> >> Other or undefined network or routing status >> >> Please reply to Postmaster at charter.net >> if you feel this message to be in error > Every email I send to her results in one of these error messages. I > guess it's not real iimportant since she always gets the mail, but it's > annoying to keep getting the bounce messages. Sorry, that one doesn't mean a thing to me. Do the message headers in the bounce give a clue what mail program was used? "Other or undefined network or routing status" is a 440 or 540 return status, and since she gets the message, presumably 440 (transient, rather than permanent), but you'd probably need to know what software they're using at the other end to have a real clue what it is. If there's anything in the message or headers that tells you it is actually a transient error, I'd tend to write a filter to delete it unseen and forget about it. -- derek From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 15:18:41 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:18:41 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBCAD1.2050106@chrononomicon.com> Ashley Benton wrote: > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his computer > and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work at all by > itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu I tried a few > anti virus programs but the only things they do is find the viruses . Since > I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the files or system. Is > there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of > the viruses? I would have save the documents and reinstall his Windows but > there are no rescue cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I > can help him anymore. If it's damaged to the point where it doesn't work, your best bet is to retrieve *data* files off the system...such as the my documents/desktop/favorites folders from under "documents and settings" that correspond to your neighbor's username...and reformat the drive. Thanks to the alternate data streams in NTFS and inadequate security settings, and the fact that you said it's already not working at all, you *cannot* simply disinfect the system and know for sure it's free of malware. Save data to another drive or CD's, then format the drive and reinstall Windows then copy data back. -Bart From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:27:37 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:27:37 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBCAD1.2050106@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCAD1.2050106@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bart Silverstrim < bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > > > Ashley Benton wrote: > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > computer > > and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work at all by > > itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu I tried a > few > > anti virus programs but the only things they do is find the viruses . > Since > > I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the files or system. Is > > there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid > of > > the viruses? I would have save the documents and reinstall his Windows > but > > there are no rescue cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how > I > > can help him anymore. > > If it's damaged to the point where it doesn't work, your best bet is to > retrieve *data* files off the system...such as the my > documents/desktop/favorites folders from under "documents and settings" > that correspond to your neighbor's username...and reformat the drive. > > Thanks to the alternate data streams in NTFS and inadequate security > settings, and the fact that you said it's already not working at all, > you *cannot* simply disinfect the system and know for sure it's free of > malware. > > Save data to another drive or CD's, then format the drive and reinstall > Windows then copy data back. > > That's what I wanted to do but there are no cd rescue and I don't have Windows 2000. I wanted to restore from the C drive but I see now that it is also infected so I will try to find the option and see if I can clean it enough to make it work. After I'll just save his documents somewhere in my PC until he tries with Mac Affee and decides if he wants an half infected computer or clean Ubuntu. That may be what will change his mind about Ubuntu but I don't want to delete his system and told him that he has to use Ubuntu. Thanks for the help, I think I can continue from here Sincerely Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 15:27:46 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:27:46 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Ashley Benton wrote: >> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his >> computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work >> at all by itself > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? Depends on what the OP means by not working at all. When enough has infected it, a system can easily slow to a crawl as they bog down network connections or eat the processor up. Or cause problems with interactions with other programs. Popups. etc. etc... Many users give descriptions like "my computer won't let me in" when they mean the desktop comes up and they can't launch internet explorer, for example. the time the OP would spend trying to "fix" this system would be huge compared to just wiping and reinstalling, so unless there's an academic pursuit to trying to figure out more of what's going on with it, probably best to wipe/reinstall as long as the true reason isn't read/write errors on the disk. The fact they can mount and scan it without Ubuntu burping would give evidence that the drive itself should be okay. > Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers three > options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. > 1. Just warn > 2. delete the affected file(s) > 3. move those files to a save place > > Use option 3. I don't know...I think Clamscan usually just identifies malware signatures, not doing anything with it. It leaves it up to another script or program to do with the malware what you please...since it was primarily designed to work with email servers that often have scripting integrated. > I would have save the documents >> and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I >> am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. > > Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to come? If there are no rescue CD's/reinstall CD's, and no i386 folder with setup files, you may have to have him bite the bullet and either buy a full version of Windows XP or a new home PC. Even if you had a CD you'd need a key to reinstall. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 15:29:04 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:29:04 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BBCD40.9060505@chrononomicon.com> Ashley Benton wrote: >> I would have save the documents >>> and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I >>> am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. >> Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to come? > > > I did a while ago and he is not ready for a change In this case he may not have a choice. Besides...I'm not sure if Win2k is even really supported now for security updates. From iodine at runbox.no Sat Mar 14 15:33:44 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:33:44 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBCAD1.2050106@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCAD1.2050106@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BBCE58.5030803@runbox.no> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Ashley Benton wrote: >> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his computer >> and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work at all by >> itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu I tried a few >> anti virus programs but the only things they do is find the viruses . Since >> I don't know Windows I don't want just to delete the files or system. Is >> there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of >> the viruses? I would have save the documents and reinstall his Windows but >> there are no rescue cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I >> can help him anymore. > > If it's damaged to the point where it doesn't work, your best bet is to > retrieve *data* files off the system...such as the my > documents/desktop/favorites folders from under "documents and settings" > that correspond to your neighbor's username...and reformat the drive. Agreed. > Thanks to the alternate data streams in NTFS and inadequate security > settings, and the fact that you said it's already not working at all, > you *cannot* simply disinfect the system and know for sure it's free of > malware. That is true. But it's true for all OSes. Once compromised on a root level, there's relly no guarantee that you get a clean system after disinfection. > Save data to another drive or CD's, then format the drive and reinstall > Windows then copy data back. He doesn't have a Windows disc, and will not consider Linux either it seems. Ashley, if I were you I'd tell him to purchase an XP OEM disc and install that after wiping the hd. They are not that expensive, and can still be had. Tell your neighbor to bite the bullet and realize that this will cost him. Unless you get ahold of a W2K disc that is. He should think about migrating away from W2K anyway, it's not going to be supported by MS much longer. XP is supported until 2014. -- Odd From iodine at runbox.no Sat Mar 14 15:36:00 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:36:00 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBCD40.9060505@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCD40.9060505@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BBCEE0.9050001@runbox.no> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Ashley Benton wrote: > >>> I would have save the documents >>>> and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or >>>> floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help him >>>> anymore. >>> Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to >>> come? >> >> I did a while ago and he is not ready for a change > > In this case he may not have a choice. > > Besides...I'm not sure if Win2k is even really supported now for > security updates. It still is, but only for little over a year. "All Windows 2000 support including security updates and security-related hotfixes will be terminated on July 13, 2010" -- Odd From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 15:36:38 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:36:38 -0700 Subject: (OT) C++ forums In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903080027i3e2da543gd8140cc1171bfc45@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903080853j412a3cfs51e180a1a94e8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903081646v1be0b5cfw9f7e146094b2908f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BBCF06.1090106@cmc.net> Robert Parker wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:02 AM, H.S. wrote: > >>> I've been reading from the above link and from what I read your >>> comment does seem to fit that scenario. So where should I go instead? >>> >> First, it is difficult for anything to replace a good text book on >> programming in C++. The one you mentioned above is a reference and might >> appear to be more concise than what is comfortable at the intro level. >> Try consulting other books too which are a bit more explanatory. >> >> > Actually the book "Programming - Principles and Practice Using C++" by > Stroustrup is not a reference at all, it is an introductory course in > programming using C++. > The reference book you may have been thinking about is "The C++ > Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup". I did have a copy of that > many years ago, long before the STL was at all usable or maybe even in > existence. All that book did at the time was persuade me to stick to > C. But things have moved on since then. > > What I am looking for is some online group where I can kick ideas > around and exchange with others. My situation is that as a retiree in > Chiang Mai Thailand I have no one around to interact with on > programming topics so I am looking to do that online. With an emphasis > on C++ and the use of libraries such as STL and others which might be > useful. > > Thanks for the tips below. > > Bob Parker > Hello, One of my favorite forums is the Bleeping Computers forum, as it has over a quarter of a million members, and has individual forums on a wide variety of computer subjects. They do not have a C++ specific forum, but here is a link to their Programming forum. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:39:34 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:39:34 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bart Silverstrim < bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > > > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Ashley Benton wrote: > >> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > >> computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > >> at all by itself > > > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never > > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus > > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? > > Depends on what the OP means by not working at all. When enough has > infected it, a system can easily slow to a crawl as they bog down > network connections or eat the processor up. > > Or cause problems with interactions with other programs. > > Popups. > > etc. etc... > > Many users give descriptions like "my computer won't let me in" when > they mean the desktop comes up and they can't launch internet explorer, > for example. > > the time the OP would spend trying to "fix" this system would be huge > compared to just wiping and reinstalling, so unless there's an academic > pursuit to trying to figure out more of what's going on with it, > probably best to wipe/reinstall as long as the true reason isn't > read/write errors on the disk. The fact they can mount and scan it > without Ubuntu burping would give evidence that the drive itself should > be okay. > > > Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers three > > options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. > > 1. Just warn > > 2. delete the affected file(s) > > 3. move those files to a save place > > > > Use option 3. > > I don't know...I think Clamscan usually just identifies malware > signatures, not doing anything with it. It leaves it up to another > script or program to do with the malware what you please...since it was > primarily designed to work with email servers that often have scripting > integrated. > > > I would have save the documents > >> and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue cds or floppies and I > >> am a little lost as I don't how I can help him anymore. > > > > Ask him, if he prefers to work fully virus-free in the years to come? > > If there are no rescue CD's/reinstall CD's, and no i386 folder with > setup files, you may have to have him bite the bullet and either buy a > full version of Windows XP or a new home PC. Even if you had a CD you'd > need a key to reinstall. > I didn't know I had to look for i386 but I found a i386 folder with .dll and .sys. .cab and .ax files can that help? and how? as I say I am using only Ubuntu and don't have any idea how Windows works except system restore and reinstall. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No, for that, get the Kubuntu ISO instead. -- Odd From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:11:06 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:11:06 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBD3ED.4010409@dubhaingeal.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD3ED.4010409@dubhaingeal.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Dubh Aingeal wrote: > On 3/14/2009 11:39 AM, Ashley Benton wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bart Silverstrim < > bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > >> >> > I didn't know I had to look for i386 but I found a i386 folder with .dll > and .sys. .cab and .ax files can that help? and how? as I say I am using > only Ubuntu and don't have any idea how Windows works except system restore > and reinstall. > >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > The i386 folder holds the files used to install, repair, modify, update > and rebuild Windows. > > However if its on an infected system I would hesitate to use it, as those > files are likely infected as well. > >From what clamav and avg detected the files in this folder are not infected. That doesn't mean they are not but if I can use them I'd like to give it a try. How can I do that? Thanks Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 16:20:13 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:20:13 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BBD93D.3050301@chrononomicon.com> Ashley Benton wrote: > I didn't know I had to look for i386 but I found a i386 folder with .dll and > .sys. .cab and .ax files can that help? and how? as I say I am using only > Ubuntu and don't have any idea how Windows works except system restore and > reinstall. There should be a couple .exe or .com files...one's a command-prompt version of the installer, one runs under Windows. If that's a full i386 folder, that is. Be aware you probably still need the key unless it's hidden in an installation routine, as some OEM installs were. Or it may be on the case somewhere. For reasons known only to Redmond Windows will happily wipe out your drive and your data before actually asking for the key, at which point you're screwed without a backup. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 16:22:48 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:22:48 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBD3ED.4010409@dubhaingeal.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD3ED.4010409@dubhaingeal.com> Message-ID: <49BBD9D8.7080508@chrononomicon.com> Dubh Aingeal wrote: > The i386 folder holds the files used to install, repair, modify, update > and rebuild Windows. > > However if its on an infected system I would hesitate to use it, as > those files are likely infected as well. Perhaps. But from the discussion so far it looks like the ill-advised is the route they want to take. This route may...may...reduce the problems at first to a more treatable level, though. At first. As long as it's done behind firewalls of some sort until updates and AV can be installed.It would still be best to format the entire drive, which can't be done if you run the installer files from the drive you're installing to...so copy the files elsewhere first, like a CD. From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:25:23 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:25:23 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBD93D.3050301@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD93D.3050301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Bart Silverstrim < bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > > > Ashley Benton wrote: > > > I didn't know I had to look for i386 but I found a i386 folder with .dll > and > > .sys. .cab and .ax files can that help? and how? as I say I am using only > > Ubuntu and don't have any idea how Windows works except system restore > and > > reinstall. > > There should be a couple .exe or .com files...one's a command-prompt > version of the installer, one runs under Windows. > > If that's a full i386 folder, that is. > > Be aware you probably still need the key unless it's hidden in an > installation routine, as some OEM installs were. Or it may be on the > case somewhere. For reasons known only to Redmond Windows will happily > wipe out your drive and your data before actually asking for the key, at > which point you're screwed without a backup. > Thanks I will try to find out and ask my neighbor for the key. I actually copied all the hard drive on ubuntu so if I do something wrong I'll just copy it back on the hard drive and try again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 14 16:28:56 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:28:56 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD93D.3050301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BBDB48.3070300@chrononomicon.com> Ashley Benton wrote: > Thanks I will try to find out and ask my neighbor for the key. I actually > copied all the hard drive on ubuntu so if I do something wrong I'll just > copy it back on the hard drive and try again. Straight copy not a good idea. Things like boot sector won't work that way, unless you DD'd the drive to get a sector by sector copy. Better idea would be partimage or something like it. That will make an image and compress it with a slightly nicer interface than using dd. You specify the drive device to copy and where you want to create the file, and it'll do most of the work for you... I didn't know if by copy you meant a straightforward cp -R or dd or...well, you get the idea. If you have the drive space, dd would have the advantage of creating a raw image that in theory you could mount with a loopback and browse later if you needed. From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:29:09 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:29:09 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBD9D8.7080508@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD3ED.4010409@dubhaingeal.com> <49BBD9D8.7080508@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Bart Silverstrim < bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > > > Dubh Aingeal wrote: > > > The i386 folder holds the files used to install, repair, modify, update > > and rebuild Windows. > > > > However if its on an infected system I would hesitate to use it, as > > those files are likely infected as well. > > Perhaps. But from the discussion so far it looks like the ill-advised is > the route they want to take. > > This route may...may...reduce the problems at first to a more treatable > level, though. At first. As long as it's done behind firewalls of some > sort until updates and AV can be installed.It would still be best to > format the entire drive, which can't be done if you run the installer > files from the drive you're installing to...so copy the files elsewhere > first, like a CD. Thanks that was my next question and yes I already copied all the hard drive on Ubuntu because I think my knowledge of Windows is next to 0 and I am sure I will make a few mistakes. No No firewall or anything just no internet connection to this computer for now. If I can reinstall the system I'll put an anti virus before to put it back on internet or give it back to my neighbor. Thank you Meg > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have a "naked" connection to the Internet and expose it to that connection even long enough to get Windows Updates for patches or antivirus updates, it takes even five minutes or less to get hit with an automated probe. On the other hand home connections behind more SOHO routers are natted, so you're "kind of" firewalled in that if you're behind them you aren't directly exposed (which you'd have if your machine(s) have an address with 192.168.x.x or 10.46.x.x. From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:34:01 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:34:01 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BBDB48.3070300@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> <49BBD93D.3050301@chrononomicon.com> <49BBDB48.3070300@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Bart Silverstrim < bsilver at chrononomicon.com> wrote: > > > Ashley Benton wrote: > > > Thanks I will try to find out and ask my neighbor for the key. I actually > > copied all the hard drive on ubuntu so if I do something wrong I'll just > > copy it back on the hard drive and try again. > > Straight copy not a good idea. Things like boot sector won't work that > way, unless you DD'd the drive to get a sector by sector copy. > > Better idea would be partimage or something like it. That will make an > image and compress it with a slightly nicer interface than using dd. You > specify the drive device to copy and where you want to create the file, > and it'll do most of the work for you... > > I didn't know if by copy you meant a straightforward cp -R or dd > or...well, you get the idea. If you have the drive space, dd would have > the advantage of creating a raw image that in theory you could mount > with a loopback and browse later if you needed. > No by copy I mean select everything and move it to Desktop where it looks like it is there. I will search for partimage in the synaptic and see if I can understand it before to move farther. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I can reinstall the system I'll > put > > an anti virus before to put it back on internet or give it back to my > > neighbor. > > Won't be helpful unless you download all the updates separately. If you > have a "naked" connection to the Internet and expose it to that > connection even long enough to get Windows Updates for patches or > antivirus updates, it takes even five minutes or less to get hit with an > automated probe. > > On the other hand home connections behind more SOHO routers are natted, > so you're "kind of" firewalled in that if you're behind them you aren't > directly exposed (which you'd have if your machine(s) have an address > with 192.168.x.x or 10.46.x.x. > I don't know for my neighbor but I am behind a router so I'll do the updates and patches here. But I think if I download the antivirus today and put it on cd the anti virus is up to date. 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Check the memory, IDE connections, and reseat all PCI cards. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:48:28 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:48:28 -0500 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > The following error is generated on a fully updated 8.04 server using only > Ubuntu supplied packages. It seems to boil down to 'no module named unicodedata' > but for the life of me I can't unwind that and figure out what the missing > pieces are, and preferring not to go outside apt. Thx. [...] >  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/lazy_import.py", line 196, in _import >    module = __import__(module_python_path, scope, scope, []) > ImportError: No module named unicodedata > Hi, In a console, type: python import unicodedata If you do not get an error, then python is OK and bzr is maybe looking in the wrong place for it. If you get an error, something is very wrong with python - I would re-install via apt. Chris From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 16:50:00 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <1415034.0k7saPNYCx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <1415034.0k7saPNYCx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <962301c30903140950i408be00dy9ad021e40b2f79ad@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Bill Moseley wrote: > >> My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC >> iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the >> bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > > While, of course, I would never suggest you circumvent DRM, I find the > concept that "of course" Rhythmbox can't play it because of DRM issues > surprising.  I would strongly suspect that it _can_ (I don't do iPods, > iTunes or Rhythmbox). Having fought this issue recently I feel fairly confident there is nothing in any Ubuntu repository that will allow playing of such music. Somebody prove me wrong, please. Maybe there is "hacker" software somewhere that will remove the DRM. The chinese are good at the kind of thing. They just cracked the iTunes gift card encryption. For all intents and purposes, this stuff will not play in native Linux. I have gotten older iTunes versions to run in Wine, but I hate Wine and pretty much won't go there. But in native players, I think its a dead duck. As to the new non-DRM itunes stuff, its still crippled and difficult to use in open type formats. Its not mp3 or standard format like that. You can't just burn it to a cd like you can say, the stuff sold on Amazon. At least not without jumping through some hoops, which I think will require a Windows or Mac system with iTunes on it. Again, feel free to correct me. And maybe something has changed very recently. I called iTunes tech support on this issue right after the non-DRM stuff was available, and the hoop jumping aspects turned me off. -- Hal From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:50:41 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:50:41 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <880dece00903140945p52d34065od48b4c65d1c5b2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903140945p52d34065od48b4c65d1c5b2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I tried the live cd and it also > > became unresponsive. > > Sounds like hardware. Check the memory, IDE connections, and reseat > all PCI cards. > > - Ok I will do that as soon as the hard drive will be back in the computer. It may take a little time as it is scanning for viruses and I want to use partimage to copy it before to take a risk with it. Thanks Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cr33dog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:50:42 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:50:42 -0500 Subject: No Nautilus In-Reply-To: <547af8600903140754leee3c07o9fb676a49c340327@mail.gmail.com> References: <547af8600903140754leee3c07o9fb676a49c340327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Ashmeet Singh wrote: [...] > Now please tell me how to repair it. Try selecting "Recovery Mode" on the GRUB menu when you reboot - when you get to the blue screen, choose "Fix X Server", then "Continue Normally". > My data is very precious to me So you have a backup then, right? Chris From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 16:54:13 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:54:13 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <20090314165413.GN15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:48:28AM -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: > > In a console, type: > python > import unicodedata > > If you do not get an error, then python is OK and bzr is maybe looking > in the wrong place for it. If you get an error, something is very > wrong with python - I would re-install via apt. I did not get an error running those commands. It seemed to work. But I still get the same error from bzr. I'll try the start over approach. The same voodoo worked fine out of the box on another 8.04 system, so maybe the python install is wonky. Thanks! -- Hal From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 17:02:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:02:03 +0100 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <49BBD695.3060900@runbox.no> References: <2759cf860903140651n1a20ee54j7ce7d64223851820@mail.gmail.com> <49BBD695.3060900@runbox.no> Message-ID: <1237050123.8640.1.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 17:08 +0100, Odd wrote: > > No, for that, get the Kubuntu ISO instead. Well, you *can* install the Ubuntu CD and then install the kubuntu-desktop package separately. Though your menus will be a mix of Gnome and KDE menus. From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Mar 14 17:10:44 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:10:44 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley Benton wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Eberhard Roloff > wrote: > > Ashley Benton wrote: > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't > work > > at all by itself > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly never > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, virus > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? > > > It seems so about 5 trojan and 2 adware generic, Anyway all the CPU is > used and the computer completely unresponsive. I tried the live cd and > it also became unresponsive. So I just mounted the hard drive on my > computer, no more problem. > > > > so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu > > I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is find > > the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to > delete the > > files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to fix > > his Windows and get rid of the viruses? > Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers three > options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. > 1. Just warn > 2. delete the affected file(s) > 3. move those files to a save place > > Use option 3. > > > I have no option, it just tell me which files are infected with what and > where. I tried clamav, and avg. I also tried avast but it only crashed. > I am sorry, my statement was wrong. Indeed I know positively, you can set those options with fprot. in contrast, I just tested with avg and could not find any options to handle the virus except announcing, what is infected and deleting any virus found, possibly after pausing for user input. regards Eberhard From ramachandran.chidambaram at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 17:11:20 2009 From: ramachandran.chidambaram at gmail.com (Ramachandran Chidambaraiyer) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:41:20 +0530 Subject: System goes blank when updates Message-ID: I have installed Ubuntu 8.1 studio.When it starts updating,it goes blank and restarts. -- Ramachandran.C 91(422)2496638 91(4923)262362 Mobile:09446290638 From diesch at spamfence.net Sat Mar 14 17:13:26 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:13:26 +0100 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> (Hal Burgiss's message of "Sat\, 14 Mar 2009 09\:57\:02 -0400") References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Hal Burgiss wrote: > The following error is generated on a fully updated 8.04 server using only > Ubuntu supplied packages. It seems to boil down to 'no module named unicodedata' > but for the life of me I can't unwind that and figure out what the missing > pieces are, and preferring not to go outside apt. Thx. unicodedata is part of Python standard library. What does python -c 'import unicodedata' return (should be nothing)? Florian -- From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 17:17:28 2009 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <1237025893.7259.7.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <2072044682.1041241237051048886.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I don't see any option in Software Sources that refers to backports. Here's the out put of apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data: $ apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-data: Installed: 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1 Candidate: 4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 Version table: 4:4.2.1a-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages *** 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu10 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages $ And here is /etc/apt/sources.list -------- # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.1)]/ intrepid main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu ## users. # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/ubuntu intrepid main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main -------- Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Vukelic" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:18:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: apt-get source problem On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 20:34 +0000, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > And how do you disable backports? Uncheck them in System-> Administration -> Software Sources. Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file? Would be interesting to see. Also, perform "apt-cache policy " for one of the kde packages that offend you and post the output. It will tell you exactly that the update situation is for that package. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 17:26:00 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Ashley Benton wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Eberhard Roloff > > wrote: > > > > Ashley Benton wrote: > > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't > > work > > > at all by itself > > > > This one puzzles me. A virus/Trojan/you name it infection nearly > never > > renders a windows computer to "doesn't work at all". Are you sure, > virus > > related issues are the only problem that you are having here? > > > > > > It seems so about 5 trojan and 2 adware generic, Anyway all the CPU is > > used and the computer completely unresponsive. I tried the live cd and > > it also became unresponsive. So I just mounted the hard drive on my > > computer, no more problem. > > > > > > > > so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From Ubuntu > > > I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do is > find > > > the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to > > delete the > > > files or system. Is there a program that I can use from Ubuntu to > fix > > > his Windows and get rid of the viruses? > > Every virus scanner that I know of, both Linux and Windows, offers > three > > options on how to handle a virus that has been detected. > > 1. Just warn > > 2. delete the affected file(s) > > 3. move those files to a save place > > > > Use option 3. > > > > > > I have no option, it just tell me which files are infected with what and > > where. I tried clamav, and avg. I also tried avast but it only crashed. > > > I am sorry, my statement was wrong. Indeed I know positively, you can > set those options with fprot. No problem I will look for fprot and try again from Ubuntu as soon as I will have make an image of the hard drive to make sure that I don't make anything worse (If it can be). > > > in contrast, I just tested with avg and could not find any options to > handle the virus except announcing, what is infected and deleting any > virus found, possibly after pausing for user input. On my computer it doesn't wait for any input just let me know that I have files infected and which ones. With AVG 7 (viruses/adware generic )and with clamav 10, so I guess no matter what I do the computer won't be completely clean. So I want to try to reinstall from the i386 as I am hoping for a change of free virus reinstallation, or at least less viruses than by only scanning and fixing if possible. Thanks Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 17:35:22 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:22 -0700 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> Message-ID: <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> Bill Moseley wrote: > What's the current status of write support for these devices? > > When connecting to an 8.10 machine I'm seeing: > > hfs: write access to a journaled filesystem is not supported, use > the force option at your own risk, mounting read-only. > > > > > My son purchased the bulk of his music using iTunes on an old PowerPC > iBook (which is now dead with a hardware failure) so of course, the > bulk of the music can't be played via Rhythmbox due to the DRM issues. > Forgot to factor in the cost of new Apple hardware into those song > purchases. ;) > Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the article. So, now you have a way to maintain the usability of all those costly downloads. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From diesch at spamfence.net Sat Mar 14 17:55:09 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:55:09 +0100 Subject: Audio problem In-Reply-To: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> (German's message of "Fri\, 13 Mar 2009 16\:26\:58 -0400") References: <1236976018.5992.12.camel@nabokov-desktop> Message-ID: <873adgt2f6.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> German wrote: > Hi list. My first question is this: are there any means than lspci to > find out about my audio card? lspci seems not show this information to > me. A command? A program? sudo lshw -sanitize -C multimedia Florian -- From signdog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:15:02 2009 From: signdog at gmail.com (Gary Herbert) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:15:02 -0400 Subject: does this look reasonable Message-ID: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> I used to have a duel boot system... One day I started having problems with Ubuntu... It would lock up, take a long time to get gmail and other bad stuff... Only way I could get out was to reboot... I finally backed up Vista and put in my CD and proceeded to install Ubunta... Here is what I have: Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x28000000 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 13995 112414806 83 Linux /dev/sda2 13996 14593 4803435 5 Extended /dev/sda5 13996 14593 4803403+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris Gary H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomahadi at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:19:06 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:19:06 +0600 Subject: permission problem Message-ID: <11286abe0903141119uca4fc8dreff68b1efe5a454b@mail.gmail.com> I have recently installed Ubuntu 8.10. Every time I boot ubuntu I need to mount windows drives, formatted with FAT32, manually. But I want them to mount automatically every time I boot Ubuntu. How do I do that? One of the drives is only accessible by me ( I'm the administrator) while other users don't have the permission neither to read nor write. How do I make the drive accessible for others? P.S. I am a novice Ubuntu user. From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 18:27:25 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <139450.73235.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Herbert wrote: > From: Gary Herbert > Subject: does this look reasonable > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:15 PM > I used to have a duel boot system... One day I started > having problems with > Ubuntu... It would lock up, take a long time to get gmail > and other bad > stuff... Only way I could get out was to reboot... I > finally backed up Vista > and put in my CD and proceeded to install Ubunta... Here is > what I have: > > Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x28000000 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id > System > /dev/sda1 * 1 13995 112414806 83 > Linux > /dev/sda2 13996 14593 4803435 5 > Extended > /dev/sda5 13996 14593 4803403+ 82 > Linux swap / Solaris > > What's your question? I does appear that you installed Ubuntu over your wintows installation. Good thing you have a backup. It looks reasonable to me anyway, assuming you made an extended partition for your swap partition. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:27:52 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:27:52 -0600 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BBF728.6050707@gmail.com> Gary Herbert wrote: > I used to have a duel boot system... One day I started having problems with > Ubuntu... It would lock up, take a long time to get gmail and other bad > stuff... Only way I could get out was to reboot... I finally backed up Vista > and put in my CD and proceeded to install Ubunta... Here is what I have: > > Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x28000000 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 13995 112414806 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 13996 14593 4803435 5 Extended > /dev/sda5 13996 14593 4803403+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris > > > Gary H. > > It looks as if your done with windows, but your wasting a lot of the hard drive. It will work but you do not need a 110 GB partition for Ubuntu. How did you get this layout? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:29:54 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:29:54 -0200 Subject: permission problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903141119uca4fc8dreff68b1efe5a454b@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903141119uca4fc8dreff68b1efe5a454b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141129m6e9f0690kd7dbb61af321c0c9@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I have recently installed Ubuntu 8.10. Every time  I boot ubuntu I > need to mount windows drives, formatted with FAT32, manually. But I > want them to mount automatically every time I boot Ubuntu. How do I do > that? echo "/dev/your-parition /your-mount-point vfat defaults 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab > One of the drives is only accessible by me ( I'm the administrator) > while other users don't have the permission neither to read nor write. > How do I make the drive accessible for others? Is this the same drive you describe above? You could create a group, add the users to that group and finally mount the drive with permissions for the group: sudo groupadd canseedrive sudo gpasswd -a user1 canseedrive sudo gpaaswd -a user2 canseedrive sudo gpasswd -a user3 canseedrive sudo mount -o devgid=canseedrive,devmode=0660 -t vfat /dev/partition /mount-point Note that f you want to mount on boot, you should replace "defaults" with "devgid=....." in the fstab line I wrote above. HTH, Norberto From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:32:11 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:32:11 -0200 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <49BBF728.6050707@gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> <49BBF728.6050707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141132y33071ed3s4f0bd7d76cebc437@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    How did you get this layout? Standard Debian/Ubuntu "use all my hard drive" option from the installation cd. 1... os 5... swap From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:39:51 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:39:51 -0600 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903141132y33071ed3s4f0bd7d76cebc437@mail.gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> <49BBF728.6050707@gmail.com> <84250c9c0903141132y33071ed3s4f0bd7d76cebc437@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BBF9F7.3040109@gmail.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> How did you get this layout? >> > > Standard Debian/Ubuntu "use all my hard drive" option from the installation cd. > > 1... os > 5... swap > > This works as I say but it's not pretty. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:47:55 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:47:55 -0200 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <49BBF9F7.3040109@gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> <49BBF728.6050707@gmail.com> <84250c9c0903141132y33071ed3s4f0bd7d76cebc437@mail.gmail.com> <49BBF9F7.3040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141147s432feca5ja7361f3b95dda6b7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> Standard Debian/Ubuntu "use all my hard drive" option from the installation cd. >> >> >    This works as I say but it's not pretty. Yup. That's why I never use "use all my disk" :-) From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:52:50 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:52:50 -0200 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141152i90c7db7t6aa67095b79382e0@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary Herbert wrote: > I used to have a duel boot system... One day I started having problems with > Ubuntu... It would lock up, take a long time to get gmail and other bad > stuff... Only way I could get out was to reboot... I finally backed up Vista > and put in my CD and proceeded to install Ubunta... Here is what I have: Reasonable for what? For Linux only? Yes. For dual boot? Nope. You need space for Windows. If you still want windows, I suggest to install it first. When the installer asks the drive and partition, chose half of your harddrive. Once windows is installed, install Ubuntu (or whatever distro you like) and chose the unused space for installation. IIRC, the ubuntu installer does the right thing. I can't remember if it generates a grub entry for Windows, but I guess you know how to make it by hand. Regards, Norberto From raquel at thericehouse.net Sat Mar 14 18:56:00 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:56:00 -0700 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <1237050123.8640.1.camel@chronic> References: <2759cf860903140651n1a20ee54j7ce7d64223851820@mail.gmail.com> <49BBD695.3060900@runbox.no> <1237050123.8640.1.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090314115600.d30bd43a.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:02:03 +0100 Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 17:08 +0100, Odd wrote: > > > > No, for that, get the Kubuntu ISO instead. > > Well, you *can* install the Ubuntu CD and then install the > kubuntu-desktop package separately. Though your menus will be a mix > of Gnome and KDE menus. > Using aptitude, can't a person install KDE and then uninstall Gnome? I did the opposite several years ago on Debian. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. --Bernard Berenson From signdog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 18:59:30 2009 From: signdog at gmail.com (Gary Herbert) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903141152i90c7db7t6aa67095b79382e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903141152i90c7db7t6aa67095b79382e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1826f5900903141159o72f4d5b2qd927f5fdc456f3ed@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 14:52, Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary Herbert wrote: > > I used to have a duel boot system... One day I started having problems > with > > Ubuntu... It would lock up, take a long time to get gmail and other bad > > stuff... Only way I could get out was to reboot... I finally backed up > Vista > > and put in my CD and proceeded to install Ubunta... Here is what I have: > > > Reasonable for what? For Linux only? Yes. For dual boot? Nope. You > need space for Windows. > > If you still want windows, I suggest to install it first. When the > installer asks the drive and partition, chose half of your harddrive. > > Once windows is installed, install Ubuntu (or whatever distro you > like) and chose the unused space for installation. IIRC, the ubuntu > installer does the right thing. I can't remember if it generates a > grub entry for Windows, but I guess you know how to make it by hand. > > Regards, > Norberto > > -- > That was an option on the CD... I have no intention of using windows on this computer.... I am new and did see a lot of other setups... I was just wondering if I might have done something wrong? Gary H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 19:05:06 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:05:06 -0200 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <1826f5900903141159o72f4d5b2qd927f5fdc456f3ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <1826f5900903141115y34873804j41fcd7df746fec9c@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903141152i90c7db7t6aa67095b79382e0@mail.gmail.com> <1826f5900903141159o72f4d5b2qd927f5fdc456f3ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141205h73bdb63s60a2890b53dc2809@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Gary Herbert wrote: > I am new and did see a lot of other setups... I was just wondering if I > might have done something wrong? Nope. What you've done is ok. From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Sat Mar 14 19:14:40 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:14:40 -0300 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BC0220.90309@dgeo.udec.cl> Jim Douglas escribió: > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? I only see the AMD version, > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 > From http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ 64-bit PC (AMD64) server install CD Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. I think that this will also work for your 64-bit intel processor. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Sat Mar 14 19:18:33 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:18:33 -0300 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BC0309.7070501@dgeo.udec.cl> Ashley Benton escribió: > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From > Ubuntu I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do > is find the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to > delete the files or system. Is there a program that I can use from > Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have > save the documents and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue > cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help him > anymore. > Any help would be appreciated > If you know the files, you may get them from a clean system and overwrite them. This should be enough to fix the system, i did it once with mine and it worked. > Thanks > > Meg -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 19:30:30 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <20090314115600.d30bd43a.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <308574.92124.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Raquel wrote: > From: Raquel > Subject: Re: intel 64 bit version > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:56 PM > On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:02:03 +0100 > Mario Vukelic wrote: > > > On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 17:08 +0100, Odd wrote: > > > > > > No, for that, get the Kubuntu ISO instead. > > > > Well, you *can* install the Ubuntu CD and then install > the > > kubuntu-desktop package separately. Though your menus > will be a mix > > of Gnome and KDE menus. > > > > Using aptitude, can't a person install KDE and then > uninstall Gnome? > I did the opposite several years ago on Debian. > I would think that is the case as I have Intrepid 64 bit installed with Kubuntu-desktop and "gnome" isn't even automatically installed on my system. Maybe because I have purged "network manager" in favor of wicd. p gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 19:35:21 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <1826f5900903141159o72f4d5b2qd927f5fdc456f3ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483139.41580.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Herbert wrote: > From: Gary Herbert > Subject: Re: does this look reasonable > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:59 PM > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 14:52, Norberto Bensa > wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary Herbert > wrote: > > > I used to have a duel boot system... > > > > Regards, > > Norberto > > > > -- > > > That was an option on the CD... I have no intention of > using windows on this > computer.... I am new and did see a lot of other setups... > I was just > wondering if I might have done something wrong? If you don't want windows and you can boot up into Ubuntu after the CD install then you didn't do anything wrong. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From signdog at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 19:45:31 2009 From: signdog at gmail.com (Gary Herbert) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:45:31 -0400 Subject: does this look reasonable In-Reply-To: <483139.41580.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1826f5900903141159o72f4d5b2qd927f5fdc456f3ed@mail.gmail.com> <483139.41580.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1826f5900903141245k4f86c9a9idfca4bd27ce6639a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:35, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Herbert wrote: > > > From: Gary Herbert > > Subject: Re: does this look reasonable > > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 1:59 PM > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 14:52, Norberto Bensa > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary Herbert > > wrote: > > > > I used to have a duel boot system... > > > > > > Regards, > > > Norberto > > > > > > -- > > > > > That was an option on the CD... I have no intention of > > using windows on this > > computer.... I am new and did see a lot of other setups... > > I was just > > wondering if I might have done something wrong? > > If you don't want windows and you can boot up into Ubuntu after the CD > install then you didn't do anything wrong. > > > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Thank you all for your input.... Gary H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanos at writeme.com Sat Mar 14 19:49:39 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:49:39 +0000 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes Message-ID: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> Dear All Kubuntu 8.10 I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: 1) K > System > System Settings > Display 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and improved performance. I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. Any help appreciated Stephen From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 20:05:37 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:05:37 +0100 Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <2072044682.1041241237051048886.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2072044682.1041241237051048886.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1237061137.8640.7.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 17:17 +0000, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > I don't see any option in Software Sources that refers to backports. Tab "Updates" -> Unsupported updates (backports). At least is should be there > Here's the out put of apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data: > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main > # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid > main > deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/ubuntu intrepid main > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main And that's no surprise, since the ppa is still enabled, at least in the sources.list file. Are you sure that you disabled it in Software Sources? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 20:07:23 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:07:23 +0100 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <20090314115600.d30bd43a.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <2759cf860903140651n1a20ee54j7ce7d64223851820@mail.gmail.com> <49BBD695.3060900@runbox.no> <1237050123.8640.1.camel@chronic> <20090314115600.d30bd43a.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <1237061243.8640.9.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:56 -0700, Raquel wrote: > Using aptitude, can't a person install KDE and then uninstall Gnome? Sure, but in this case why would he not install Kubuntu right away. Once can also install both KDE and Gnome (e.g., for different users) and remove annoying menu entries with the menu editor. From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 20:11:40 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:11:40 -0700 Subject: How to get consistent screen resolution? In-Reply-To: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> References: <20090313192225.GB30464@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49BC0F7C.10900@cmc.net> Chris G wrote: > I have a system using a big TV as its screen and it doesn't always > come up at the correct resolution. I can't see any rhyme or reason as > to when it gets it right and when it doesn't. > > The 'correct' resolution is 1920x1080 but it sometimes comes up at a > 'non-widescreen' resolution of 1600x1200 or similar. > > Can anyone suggest why this might be happening? > > The DDC detection in Xorg.0.log shows the resolution I want to use but > it doesn't appear in the display settings applet. > Hello, There is a possibility that the TV is not returning a valid EDID block, which is a coupl of 128 KB blocks of data about the capabilities of the display, and includes it's available refresh rates, dot clock, and other factors involved in calculating the valid resolutions for the device. I've recently discoverd that this is the case for my Jetway flat panel monitor,, which is why my video resolution falls back to 800x600 if I do not get my xorg.conf file spelled out exactly right to specify my preferred 1024x768 resolution. You can find out what information is being returned by installing the read-edid package which contains the rograms get-edid nad parse-edid. To find out what information is being returned to your xserver, run them in a piped manner, as parse-edid converts the data returned into a human readable format, and get-edid fetches the raw data from the EDID blocks. Like so get-edid | parse-edid The data from this output will help you determine which modelines can be added to xorg.conf, so that you can lock down the resolution being used to the one you want. If your TV is not returning valid data then get-edid will inform you of this fact as it did when I ran it for my monitor. In your /boot/grub/menu.lst file there is a setting that specifies the "fall back" resolution to be used in the case that the xserver does not find any valid modes specified either in the xorg.conf file, or by polling the video card for the EDID data that it has retrieved from the output device. By examining the /usr/share/pyshare/bootconfig/grub.py script file, which determines the resolution on start up I found the following information. """Return the Grub vga code used, as integer. If no code is specified in the config, 769 is returned. Grub vga codes: Colours 640x400 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x1024 1600x1200 --------+-------------------------------------------------------------- 4 bits | ? ? 770 ? ? ? ? 8 bits | 768 769 771 773 353 775 796 15 bits | ? 784 787 790 354 793 797 16 bits | ? 758 788 791 355 794 798 24 bits | ? 786 789 792 ? 795 799 32 bits | ? ? ? ? 356 ? ? Sorry the columns do not line up so well, but the resolution codes correspond to the video resolutions in the top line. There is a setting in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file which specifies this value. So, according to menu.lst the following applies. - ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## And a ways further down from that you will find - ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the ## alternatives ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 # defoptions=quiet splash vga=771 Here we see the vga mode being set for the default boot option, and one # sign marks it as being in use, instead of being a comment like the lines with two ##'s in the AUTOMAGIC section of the menu.lst file. Further, to apply that resolution to all kernels installed, and specified in the menu.lst file, instead of just the default kernel, you could change the following section of the AUTOMAGIC section, to include the vga=nnn code setting as shown below, and you would leave out the change to the defoptions section above, which only applies to the default kernel in use. ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro # kopt=root=UUID=d87df8a8-9b0a-46c9-82ef-7c5503f46c62 ro vga=769 Note that the 769 returned by default specifies 640 x 480 at 16 bits color depth for a resolution. I'm assuming that you could possibly specify the resolution you want by setting this vga code to the right number as a work around, if the VESA driver which it uses in the case of falling back, will support that resolution as well. However, that is a cludge, and it would be better to get the xorg.conf file properly configured to provide the usable modelines for your hardware in the first place. It's best not to start blithely adding resolution modes to your xorg.conf file, without testing them for accuracy, as I recently found out, while attempting to add one more higher resolution to mine. I did not do the math, and I specified an incorrect dot clock rate for the new resolution, which caused my configuration to break, and I was back to 640 x 480 mode with my nvidia drivers disabled. This is from my current xorg.conf file. Horizsync 31.5-48.0 Vertrefresh 56.0 - 65.0 modeline "640x480 at 60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync modeline "800x600 at 56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync modeline "800x600 at 60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync modeline "1024x768 at 60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync Note that the horizontal frequency is in Hz's, the vertrefresh rate is in KHz's, and the small numbers in each modeline, right after the values within quote marks, are expressed in MHz's, and are the dot clock rates to use with each resolution setting. All this information gets boiled down in the Screen Section as follows - Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" Defaultdepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 1024 768 Modes "1024x768 at 60" "800x600 at 60" "800x600 at 56" "640x480 at 60" EndSubSection EndSection The depth numbers represent how many elements per pixel, are used to render the highest color depth available on most monitors today, and are expressed in bits per pixel. You have to multiply the horizontal frequency times the vertical refresh rate, then multiply by the number of bits per pixel you are using for color depth, and then finally multiply once again by the height and width of your intended resolution setting in pixels, to arrive at the necessary MHz's required for the dot clock to manage to keep up with it all. That's why it goes up so much higher, with each of the higher resolution modes shown. To top that all off, your horizontal and vertical resolution in bits, has to be evenly divisible by 8 or 16 to arrive at the depth in bits per pixel value you want to use. Some companies claim a 32 bit depth, but in reality they are padding the data with 12 bits per pixel, due to their design methods, and are in fact only arriving at a 24 bit color depth after all. There is an application called xvidtune which can test new resolution settings and also generate new modelines for the xorg.conf file from any input data which it deems to be valid for your hardware. It first reads in your system's information as far as it can be determined from the hardware,, and the xorg.conf file. Once the gui for it comes up it has sliders which you can adjust to settings you would like to test. When you press the "Test"button after making setting changes it will tell you if you have entered a valid mode. It will also allow you to change video resolution on the fly with "Next" and "Prev" buttons, and if you set the sliders to a valid setting it can generate the modeline for that setting for you. xvidtune is available in the repositories. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 20:29:13 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:29:13 -0700 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BAEA62.9000004@writeme.com> References: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> <49BAEA62.9000004@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49BC1399.703@cmc.net> Stephen wrote: > Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > > >> Stephen Constantinou wrote: >> >> >>> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >. . . >>>> >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >>>> >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >>>> >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >>>> >. . . >>>> >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >>>> >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >>>> >individual e-mail boxes/files. >>>> > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >>>> >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >>>> >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >>>> >state that they are links and do not have permissions. >>>> > >>>> >Questions >>>> >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >>>> >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >>>> >View & Modify? >>>> > >>>> >Any help appreciated >>>> > >>>> >Stephen >>>> >>>> The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just >>>> use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? >>>> >>>> Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more >>>> information would be nice. :) >>>> You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in >>>> your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here >>>> so that we could see the details of the links you made? >>>> >>>> I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with >>>> what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. >>>> Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the >>>> line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) >>>> I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder >>>> ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos >>>> (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) >>>> >>>> If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using >>>> the chmod command >>>> >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> ============================================================================== >>>> This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. >>>> ============================================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear All >>> >>> Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls >>> etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading >>> the mail boxes directly from C drive. >>> >>> Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try >>> this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 >>> into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the >>> situation. >>> >>> With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server >>> Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display >>> that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to >>> change the location. >>> >>> With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. >>> Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local >>> Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to >>> set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. >>> >>> Is my Thunderbird different to yours? >>> >>> Thanks and wait to hear >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> It's acting different than TBird (2.0.0.19) here on my Ubuntu >> machine, and every other TBird install I've seen, regardless of OS... >> Did you install TBird from Ubuntu repos, or somewhere else? >> >> >> > Dear All > > I posted a question on the mozilla/Thunderbird forum and solved this one. > > I am embarrassed to say that the window showing the server setting only > had to be resized to show the Local Directory. > > I have now pointed this to the xp partition and tested it. I am now > able to see the and use the same mail folders in both xp and Ubuntu. A > much better solution than using symbolic links. > > Thanks to all and thanks to Alan for suggesting this > > Best wishes > > Stephen > Hi there, Congratulations on figuring out how to do this! I just wanted to warn you about one thing that can go wrong when editing files on the Win XP drive from within Ubuntu. If you have System Restore monitoring the drive where your email files reside, or any drive which you make changes to from within Ubuntu while Windows is not running,, on the next boot into Windows, System Restore will detect the changes, and you will lose all of your restore points. This only applies if you change files of a type which System Restore actually monitors, so it may not apply to your mail files. Just thought you might like to know that little fact. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 20:45:41 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:45:41 +0100 Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <1237061137.8640.7.camel@chronic> References: <2072044682.1041241237051048886.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1237061137.8640.7.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1237063541.8640.10.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 21:05 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: > Tab "Updates" -> Unsupported updates (backports). At least is should > be there Oh, I forgot, that's for Gnome in Ubuntu. I remember another discussion I had where it turned out that is is not there in KDE. Can a KDE user please shed light on this? From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 21:01:22 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:01:22 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BC0309.7070501@dgeo.udec.cl> References: <49BC0309.7070501@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lorenzo Luengo wrote: > Ashley Benton escribió: > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and doesn't work > > at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From > > Ubuntu I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do > > is find the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want just to > > delete the files or system. Is there a program that I can use from > > Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have > > save the documents and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue > > cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help him > > anymore. > > Any help would be appreciated > > > If you know the files, you may get them from a clean system and > overwrite them. This should be enough to fix the system, i did it once > with mine and it worked. > That could be a good idea I'll check if Windows XP or 98 has the same files and will try this way after I finish with image part. Thanks for the idea it may be easier for me this way. Thanks Meg > > > > -- > Lorenzo Luengo Contreras > Administrador de Sistemas DGEO > Universidad de Concepción > Concepción - Chile > +56-41-2207277 > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 21:06:00 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <1237063541.8640.10.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <741857.16340.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Mario Vukelic wrote: > From: Mario Vukelic > Subject: Re: apt-get source problem > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 3:45 PM > On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 21:05 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: > > Tab "Updates" -> Unsupported updates > (backports). At least is should > > be there > > Oh, I forgot, that's for Gnome in Ubuntu. I remember > another discussion > I had where it turned out that is is not there in KDE. Can > a KDE user > please shed light on this? > > It's in my K-menu-Applications-System-Software Sources under the Updates tab. I'm running Intrepid 64 bit with KDE 4.2. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 21:10:29 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:10:29 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <20090314211029.GO15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 06:13:26PM +0100, Florian Diesch wrote: > > unicodedata is part of Python standard library. > > What does > python -c 'import unicodedata' > return (should be nothing)? Yep, nothing. -- Hal From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 21:17:36 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:17:36 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how > to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they > claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which > involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the > resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from > them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the > article. There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM stuff. -- Hal From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 21:42:22 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:42:22 -0600 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <49BC24BE.5090607@gmail.com> Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how >> to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they >> claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which >> involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the >> resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from >> them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the >> article. >> > > There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from > iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, > they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can > convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM > stuff. > > I have an old RCA iPOD that was cheap at Wal Mart. It says RCA on it but it was made in China, surprise? It had very little TERRIBLE music on it when new. I took most of that off and learned it would only play music with the .mp3 type. I had a lot of my classic music was/is on CD-Rom and not of the .mp3 type. I found some Ubuntu software that let me convert the CD-Rom files to .mp3. I have 3.5 GBytes of music on this thing and listen to it while walking my dog. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From hal at burgiss.net Sat Mar 14 21:54:47 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:54:47 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <49BC24BE.5090607@gmail.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC24BE.5090607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090314215447.GQ15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 03:42:22PM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > > I have an old RCA iPOD that was cheap at Wal Mart. It says RCA on it > but it was made in China, surprise? It had very little TERRIBLE music on > it when new. I took most of that off and learned it would only play > music with the .mp3 type. I had a lot of my classic music was/is on > CD-Rom and not of the .mp3 type. I found some Ubuntu software that let > me convert the CD-Rom files to .mp3. I have 3.5 GBytes of music on this > thing and listen to it while walking my dog. AFAIK, any ipod will play mp3's. That's kind of the gold standard in music formats. But iTunes does not now sell mp3's. Its a completely different format. You can mix and match those formats on an ipod, no problemo. -- Hal From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 14 21:55:12 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:55:12 +0100 Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <741857.16340.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <741857.16340.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1237067712.8640.12.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 14:06 -0700, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > It's in my K-menu-Applications-System-Software Sources under the > Updates tab. I'm running Intrepid 64 bit with KDE 4.2. Thanks! From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 22:03:50 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:03:50 -0200 Subject: Ubuntu on LVM on RAID1? Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, two Samsung HD103UJ (1TB) drives are on the way to my home. I'm planning to install Ubuntu Jaunty on LVM2 on top of a RAID1 (mdadm) setup formed by these two drives. I have a lot of experience with LVM2 and in fact I won't go back to plain/normal partitions anymore (LVM rocks.) I lack experience with SWRAID setups in particular with Debian/Ubuntu, except for setups where RAID is managed by a specialized hardware card (like the Adaptec on some HP servers for example) The questions are: is it possible to make this install using only the stock installer? Does anyone ever made such a setup? Does it work? Does anyone have links of interest? I have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/RAID1%2BLVM but it says: "It should also be noted that this guide is intended for those wishing to setup a file/data server/store with RAID 0+1 functionality (but with LVM taking the place of RAID 0), and not for those looking to install Ubuntu onto an existing LVM/RAID 1 system (although it may be useful for that)." ...and so that guide seems to be of no much use to me. Many thanks in advance, Norberto From tomahadi at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 22:22:56 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:22:56 +0600 Subject: permission problem again Message-ID: <11286abe0903141522n1a7fa18by83c8b139aff9055f@mail.gmail.com> > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:29:54 -0200 > From: Norberto Bensa > Subject: Re: permission problem > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Message-ID: > <84250c9c0903141129m6e9f0690kd7dbb61af321c0c9 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: >> I have recently installed Ubuntu 8.10. Every time ?I boot ubuntu I >> need to mount windows drives, formatted with FAT32, manually. But I >> want them to mount automatically every time I boot Ubuntu. How do I do >> that? > > echo "/dev/your-parition /your-mount-point vfat defaults 0 0" | sudo > tee -a /etc/fstab > > >> One of the drives is only accessible by me ( I'm the administrator) >> while other users don't have the permission neither to read nor write. >> How do I make the drive accessible for others? > > Is this the same drive you describe above? > > You could create a group, add the users to that group and finally > mount the drive with permissions for the group: > > sudo groupadd canseedrive > sudo gpasswd -a user1 canseedrive > sudo gpaaswd -a user2 canseedrive > sudo gpasswd -a user3 canseedrive > sudo mount -o devgid=canseedrive,devmode=0660 -t vfat /dev/partition > /mount-point > > Note that f you want to mount on boot, you should replace "defaults" > with "devgid=....." in the fstab line I wrote above. > > > HTH, > Norberto > > > > ------------------------------ > After lots of studying and thinking I have finally had the drives mounted automatically when I boot Ubuntu, and made it accessible for other users. I did this: Below is the fstab file of my system including the bottom two lines added by me: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sda6 UUID=1f66d389-9ee8-47d8-8ee6-9c384ee1c700 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/sda7 UUID=5ec0269f-6867-4350-ab8c-e1d9ed7a03d6 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 # /dev/sda1 UUID=6488EB4A88EB18F6 /media/c ntfs-3g rw,auto,users,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=111,utf8 0 0 # /dev/sda5 UUID=28A7-268E /media/d vfat rw,auto,users,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=111,utf8 0 0 Now it can mount automatically and be accessible by other users. But I can't change permissions of folders/files inside the drives even the folders/files inside my home directory. I used: sudo chmod But did not work. What do I do? From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 22:33:06 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? In-Reply-To: <19653649.00q2lcdhAS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> <49BBB368.3010605@cmc.net> <19653649.00q2lcdhAS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49BC30A2.9090803@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> Here is the error message from one of the bounce messages. >> >> >>> This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >>> >>> Other or undefined network or routing status >>> >>> Please reply to Postmaster at charter.net >>> if you feel this message to be in error >>> >> Every email I send to her results in one of these error messages. I >> guess it's not real iimportant since she always gets the mail, but it's >> annoying to keep getting the bounce messages. >> > > Sorry, that one doesn't mean a thing to me. Do the message headers in the > bounce give a clue what mail program was used? > > "Other or undefined network or routing status" is a 440 or 540 return > status, and since she gets the message, presumably 440 (transient, rather > than permanent), but you'd probably need to know what software they're > using at the other end to have a real clue what it is. > > If there's anything in the message or headers that tells you it is actually > a transient error, I'd tend to write a filter to delete it unseen and > forget about it. > Hello again, Yeah, that's probably what I'll do. That being said, here are some of the headers which indicate the information you said to look for. The mail programs in use appear to be InterMail,, and imp05, with InterMail being the one at the last hop on the route there. It appears that it is indeed returning a 404 result. > Received: > from imp05 ([10.20.200.5]) by mta12.charter.net (InterMail > vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id > <20090314102932.QZTR5181.mta12.charter.net at imp05> > Reporting-MTA: dns; mta12.charter.net > Arrival-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:29:32 -0400 > Received-From-MTA: dns; imp05 (10.20.200.5) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; <****diw at charter.net> > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.0 > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; <*****wizard at charter.net> So, it appears that for some reason, the email address I am sending to, is not the same as the one she is receiving at I don't know why it is failing to arrive at her main email address, and is instead being forwarded [evidently] to her secondary address. Note that I have replaced a few of the characters in each of the addresses to keep from broadcasting her addresses to the group. Oh well, I'll just creat a filter for those, and be done with it. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 22:34:36 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:34:36 -0200 Subject: permission problem again In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903141522n1a7fa18by83c8b139aff9055f@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903141522n1a7fa18by83c8b139aff9055f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903141534ra041385sce40c0fc83e7a13f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I > can't change permissions of folders/files inside the drives even the > folders/files inside my home directory. I used: > sudo chmod > But did not work. What do I do? Nothing. It won't work. It's a vfat filesystem. It doesn't support unix permissions. If you want to use permissions, backup, re-format with a modern filesystem (ext*, reiserfs, xfs, jfs...) and restore. What I don't understand is: you talk about your home directory but your drives are mounted on /media/c and /media/d. Can you be more specific? Where's your home directory? From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 14 23:40:00 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:40:00 -0700 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BC0309.7070501@dgeo.udec.cl> Message-ID: <49BC4050.8080901@cmc.net> Ashley Benton wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lorenzo Luengo > wrote: > > Ashley Benton escribió: > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and > doesn't work > > at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From > > Ubuntu I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they do > > is find the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want > just to > > delete the files or system. Is there a program that I can use from > > Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have > > save the documents and reinstall his Windows but there are no rescue > > cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help him > > anymore. > > Any help would be appreciated > > > If you know the files, you may get them from a clean system and > overwrite them. This should be enough to fix the system, i did it once > with mine and it worked. > > > > That could be a good idea I'll check if Windows XP or 98 has the same > files and will try this way after I finish with image part. > Thanks for the idea it may be easier for me this way. > > Thanks > > Meg No, if the i386 folder is actually intact, you already have the files you will need to replace the infected ones on the Windows drive, Do *not* try to get them from another version of Windows, as they will not be the correct versions. There may actually be a small problem with that approach, as the files in the i386 folders that you need may or may not be compressed, and could need a proprietary Windows program to decompress them. You can recognize the compressed ones, as they will have the same filenames, and extensions, as the ones you need to replace,, with the exception that the last character of their file extensions will be an under score character instead of the real last character of the uncompressed files. You could of course try to make a Bart PE pre-installation disc, which is basically a bootable CD running Windows with some utilities on it, like anti virus programs, and the required file expansion command to expand the files in the i386 folder. To make this disc, the files in the i386 folder will be required, and will need to be in good condition. It does not make a full fledged Windows installation CD due to license restrictions. Well, that's a bust! I just checked, and it only works with Windows XP or Server 2003 versions. I'm checking out the Wikipedia page about it, and it has led me to the following bootable CD which can also be used, but it isn't strictly legal, as it includes software that the author of the disc does not have any license to be distributing. Hiren's Boot CD There are more links to other CD's which you can burn, and boot from to clean up a Windows installation, on the Wikipedia page for Bart's PE CD, which is located here. Scroll down to near the bottom of that page, to find links to other Boot CD's available for this purpose. One or more of them will likely give you the tools you need. I hope this helps you get the system back up and running. Later, Ray Parrish http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From keithdewitt at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 23:47:58 2009 From: keithdewitt at gmail.com (keith dewitt) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:47:58 -0500 Subject: GF8400,Nvidia drivers, Message-ID: I got my problem solved! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/342926 Keith From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 00:00:20 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:00:20 -0400 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BC4050.8080901@cmc.net> References: <49BC0309.7070501@dgeo.udec.cl> <49BC4050.8080901@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Ray Parrish wrote: > Ashley Benton wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lorenzo Luengo > > wrote: > > > > Ashley Benton escribió: > > > Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10. One of my neighbors ask me to fix his > > > computer and I am stuck. The computer is Windows 2000 and > > doesn't work > > > at all by itself so I mounted his hard drive on my computer. From > > > Ubuntu I tried a few anti virus programs but the only things they > do > > > is find the viruses . Since I don't know Windows I don't want > > just to > > > delete the files or system. Is there a program that I can use from > > > Ubuntu to fix his Windows and get rid of the viruses? I would have > > > save the documents and reinstall his Windows but there are no > rescue > > > cds or floppies and I am a little lost as I don't how I can help > him > > > anymore. > > > Any help would be appreciated > > > > > If you know the files, you may get them from a clean system and > > overwrite them. This should be enough to fix the system, i did it > once > > with mine and it worked. > > > > > > > > That could be a good idea I'll check if Windows XP or 98 has the same > > files and will try this way after I finish with image part. > > Thanks for the idea it may be easier for me this way. > > > > Thanks > > > > Meg > > No, if the i386 folder is actually intact, you already have the files > you will need to replace the infected ones on the Windows drive, Do > *not* try to get them from another version of Windows, as they will not > be the correct versions. > > There may actually be a small problem with that approach, as the files > in the i386 folders that you need may or may not be compressed, and > could need a proprietary Windows program to decompress them. You can > recognize the compressed ones, as they will have the same filenames, and > extensions, as the ones you need to replace,, with the exception that > the last character of their file extensions will be an under score > character instead of the real last character of the uncompressed files. > > You could of course try to make a Bart PE pre-installation disc, which > is basically a bootable CD running Windows with some utilities on it, > like anti virus programs, and the required file expansion command to > expand the files in the i386 folder. To make this disc, the files in the > i386 folder will be required, and will need to be in good condition. It > does not make a full fledged Windows installation CD due to license > restrictions. > > Well, that's a bust! I just checked, and it only works with Windows XP > or Server 2003 versions. I'm checking out the Wikipedia page about it, > and it has led me to the following bootable CD which can also be used, > but it isn't strictly legal, as it includes software that the author of > the disc does not have any license to be distributing. > > Hiren's Boot CD > > There are more links to other CD's which you can burn, and boot from to > clean up a Windows installation, on the Wikipedia page for Bart's PE CD, > which is located here. > > Scroll down to near the bottom of > that page, to find links to other Boot CD's available for this purpose. > One or more of them will likely give you the tools you need. > > I hope this helps you get the system back up and running. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > Thanks I will look into it. Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 00:40:53 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:40:53 +1000 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) Message-ID: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Guys I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. I have the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port forwarding to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been googling around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions I've come across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up the dns and such is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. Once I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port forwarding DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: IP address: 10.1.1.99 Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) Any help appreciated James From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 01:18:38 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:18:38 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Can anybody suggest a way to completely do a fresh re-install of all the python stuff. Working on the theory that something was hosed, I tried that but what I am doing is not working at all. In fact, its worse now. I have removed and purged python. I re-installed but get errors now on any python related installation. I've googled on the platform independent libraries thing, but no joy. Setting up bzr (1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1) ... Could not find platform independent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/py_compilefiles", line 3, in ? import os ImportError: No module named os Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1263, in run self.options.exclude, byte_compile_default=True) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 880, in install rt.byte_compile(linked_files, bc_option, exclude_regex, ignore_errors) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 175, in byte_compile fd.write(fn + '\n') IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe dpkg: error processing bzr (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: bzr E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Hal From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 01:47:20 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:47:20 -0500 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > Can anybody suggest a way to completely do a fresh re-install of all the > python stuff. Working on the theory that something was hosed, I tried > that but what I am doing is not working at all. In fact, its worse > now. What do you get for: python --version aptitude show python ? Do you maybe have some third-party repos enabled? Maybe 'aptitude reinstall python'? Chris From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 02:15:25 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:15:25 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:47:20PM -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: > > What do you get for: > > python --version $ python --version Python 2.5.2 > aptitude show python Package: python State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 2.5.2-0ubuntu1 Priority: important Section: python Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers Uncompressed Size: 614k Depends: python-minimal (= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python2.5 (>= 2.5.2) Suggests: python-doc (>= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python-profiler (>= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python-tk (>= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1) Conflicts: python-base, python-bz2, python-central (< 0.5.5), python-csv, python-xmlbase, python2.1 (<= 2.1.2), python2.3 (< 2.3.5-14) Replaces: python-base, python-xmlbase, python2.3 (<= 2.3.2-6) Provides: python-email, python-xmlbase Description: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) Python, the high-level, interactive object oriented language, includes an extensive class library with lots of goodies for network programming, system administration, sounds and graphics. This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default Python version (currently v2.5). > Do you maybe have some third-party repos enabled? It looks like all regular Ubuntu stuff (I didn't set this server up originally). The only oddity is the sources.list file has a 6.06 header in it. This server was at one time 6.06 tho. > > Maybe 'aptitude reinstall python'? Same difference.... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up bzr (1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1) ... Could not find platform independent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/py_compilefiles", line 3, in ? import os ImportError: No module named os Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1263, in run self.options.exclude, byte_compile_default=True) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 880, in install rt.byte_compile(linked_files, bc_option, exclude_regex, ignore_errors) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 175, in byte_compile fd.write(fn + '\n') IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe dpkg: error processing bzr (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: bzr Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Building tag database... Done -- Hal From markfpyles at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 02:27:00 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 Message-ID: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> Hi everyone: I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. Mark From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 15 02:33:28 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (steve) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:33:28 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> Mark Pyles wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. > Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which > I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at > home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I > just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu > Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. > > Mark > sudo apt-get install wine insert visual studio cd, find the install exe, and choose "open with wine" testing is the only way you will know if it works good enough for you. check here for compatibility and apps database http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com http://budget-repair.com ~ Netiquette ~ http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sun Mar 15 02:57:32 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:57:32 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <49BC6E9C.4020500@chrononomicon.com> Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >> Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how >> to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they >> claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which >> involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the >> resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from >> them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the >> article. > > There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from > iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, > they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can > convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM > stuff. It doesn't DRM music you rip from CD. iTunes lets you burn your song collection to CD. The workaround is to burn the songs your want as an audio CD and then rip them with iTunes. The new version will not have the DRM built in. -Bart From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sun Mar 15 02:58:29 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:58:29 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <49BC24BE.5090607@gmail.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC24BE.5090607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BC6ED5.6090702@chrononomicon.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Hal Burgiss wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how >>> to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they >>> claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which >>> involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the >>> resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from >>> them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the >>> article. >>> >> There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from >> iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, >> they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can >> convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM >> stuff. >> >> > I have an old RCA iPOD that was cheap at Wal Mart. It says RCA on it > but it was made in China, surprise? I'm not sure how it directly relates to the topic, but at any rate if it says RCA it's not an iPod...just a generic MP3 player from the sounds of it. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 03:55:07 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:55:07 -0400 Subject: System goes blank when updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Ramachandran Chidambaraiyer wrote: > I have installed Ubuntu 8.1 studio.When it starts updating,it goes > blank and restarts. If it just reboots spontaneously, the two things to check are 1 - dust bunnies and dead fans - it may be overheating when it's working hard 2 - bad ram - after you prove to yourself it's not 1, run the memcheck option on bootup and leave it going at least overnight and see what you get. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 03:56:02 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:56:02 -0400 Subject: System goes blank when updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Ramachandran Chidambaraiyer > wrote: >> I have installed Ubuntu 8.1 studio.When it starts updating,it goes >> blank and restarts. > > If it just reboots spontaneously, the two things to check are > > 1 - dust bunnies and dead fans - it may be overheating when it's working hard > > 2 - bad ram - after you prove to yourself it's not 1, run the memcheck > option on bootup and leave it going at least overnight and see what > you get. Oh, I should mention - it could be power supply as well - but that's harder to prove one way or another short of trying another unit... Brian From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 15 04:14:04 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:14:04 -0700 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) In-Reply-To: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BC808C.2070903@cmc.net> James Takac wrote: > Hi Guys > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. I have > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port forwarding > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been googling > around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions I've come > across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up the dns and such > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. Once > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port forwarding > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > Any help appreciated > > James > Hello, The router in my DSL modem/router combination is actually at an ip of http://192.168.0.1/ so the numbers you have there aren't always used as you have them. The address shown for my router above allows me to log in to my router's configuration interface with my web browser to make any changes needed to my connection,. Since I dual boot, and do not change the settings each time I do, it is set the same for Windows XP as it is for Ubuntu Linux. Here are my DNS server ip's as well, which are for the isp Qwest that I use. Note that the ip of my router is also the setting used for my Gateway DNS Address #1: 205.171.3.25 DNS Address #2: 205.171.2.25 My subnet masks are set to 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 255.0.0.0 Since my actual external ip address gets set dynamically with DHCP, it changes periodically at the ips's convenience. My computer itself appears to be assigned 192.168.0.2 which is just one digit off from the router's location. So... what you need to do, is attempt to use your browser to access your router or modem that your main PC is plugged into directly, and have a look at the settings in it's interface. You may need your username and password to get logged into it as well, but the first time I logged into mine, I did not need them. I have set it to ask for them since then. Yoou will need to know whether your isp wants you to use PPPoA, or PPPoE, if you should turn on DHCP, as well as many other settings that may need to be applied, and vary by service provider. You will need to ask your isp for these setting's values. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 04:23:40 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:23:40 -0400 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > I am running a code to locate Near Earth Objects in astronomical CCD > images. One element of the pipeline is a package called sextractor, that > is also available as a deb package. > > I am running Ubuntu 8.10. > > My problem is that running gdm/gnome desktop appears to cost a factor of > two in execution time. I wouldn't have thought gdm would even be noticed by that machine :-) Some random thoughts in hopes of giving you an idea. I'm not pretending to answer anything. What happens if you stop X entirely? (I assume it's not needed?) What happens if you bump the priority of the process a bit? Have you run it more than once under Gnome? Wondering if an update, or a passing random user was playing alien arena during your run or something else equally unknown happened. A screensaver that's only configured to run under Gnome like BOINC or something? HTH Brian From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 04:42:10 2009 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: apt-get source problem In-Reply-To: <2104696325.1187991237091910097.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <510853132.1188131237092130138.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Figured it out. I thought the offending source was http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu Turns out that it was really http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu Thanks for the help P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Vukelic" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:05:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: apt-get source problem On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 17:17 +0000, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > I don't see any option in Software Sources that refers to backports. Tab "Updates" -> Unsupported updates (backports). At least is should be there > Here's the out put of apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data: > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main > # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid > main > deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/ubuntu intrepid main > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main And that's no surprise, since the ppa is still enabled, at least in the sources.list file. Are you sure that you disabled it in Software Sources? -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers -- Aryan Ameri From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 15 05:02:00 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:02:00 -0700 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) In-Reply-To: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BC8BC8.5080001@cmc.net> James Takac wrote: > Hi Guys > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. I have > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port forwarding > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been googling > around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions I've come > across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up the dns and such > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. Once > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port forwarding > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > Any help appreciated > > James > Hello again, OK, I found the user manual for yoiur modem online, and it is located here. From another link on that page I found a wiki page that claims that youe modem does not have a web interface like mine, so you will need to use the telnet command shown below to get into it's configuration. It is Linux based, and the following Wiki page has the set up procedure for it using Telnet. You need to scroll down a ways to find them. / telnet 192.168.1.1 / Evidently not all DSL modems have a web browser- based cinfiguration interface as I had assumed before. Your's evidently has both telnet and ftp access to it's interface. Anyway, those pages should get you up and runnimg in short order. Later, Ray Parrish - Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From vpadro at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 05:03:57 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:03:57 -0600 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) In-Reply-To: <49BC808C.2070903@cmc.net> References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BC808C.2070903@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Ray Parrish wrote: > James Takac wrote: > > Hi Guys > > > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. I > have > > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are > > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port > forwarding > > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been googling > > around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions I've come > > across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up the dns and > such > > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. > Once > > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port > forwarding > > > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > James > > > Hello, > > The router in my DSL modem/router combination is actually at an ip of > http://192.168.0.1/ so the numbers you have there aren't always used as > you have them. The address shown for my router above allows me to log in > to my router's configuration interface with my web browser to make any > changes needed to my connection,. Since I dual boot, and do not change > the settings each time I do, it is set the same for Windows XP as it is > for Ubuntu Linux. > > Here are my DNS server ip's as well, which are for the isp Qwest that I > use. Note that the ip of my router is also the setting used for my Gateway > > DNS Address #1: 205.171.3.25 > DNS Address #2: 205.171.2.25 > > My subnet masks are set to > > 255.255.255.255 > 255.255.255.0 > 255.255.255.0 > 255.0.0.0 > > Since my actual external ip address gets set dynamically with DHCP, it > changes periodically at the ips's convenience. My computer itself > appears to be assigned 192.168.0.2 which is just one digit off from the > router's location. > > So... what you need to do, is attempt to use your browser to access your > router or modem that your main PC is plugged into directly, and have a > look at the settings in it's interface. You may need your username and > password to get logged into it as well, but the first time I logged into > mine, I did not need them. I have set it to ask for them since then. > > Yoou will need to know whether your isp wants you to use PPPoA, or > PPPoE, if you should turn on DHCP, as well as many other settings that > may need to be applied, and vary by service provider. You will need to > ask your isp for these setting's values. > > Later, Ray Parrish > -- > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Why are you trying to use port forwarding? To setup a lamp server, mail server, ssh server? If that is your case, well indeed you need to provide your box a static IP so the port forward will work If it isn't your case you will need to provide a static ip too, that is how port forwarding works In ubuntu double click on the networking icon or go to menu >system > aadministration > network and you''ll have to uncheck the roaming mode and then go to properties and in configuration, select from the drop-down static ip address and enter the ip address, subnet mask, gateway address that matches your current dhcp config, ex. ip address: 192.168.0.100 subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 gateway: 192.168.0.1 click ok and then you will have to add the dns info in the dns tab, ex. 192.168.0.1 or whatever your router is using to resolve names over the internet now that you have assigned the static ip then go to the router ip on your browser and add the ip address along with the port(s) you need to forward to that machine. and that's it! hope it helps. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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The most comprehensive instructions I've come > > across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up the dns and > such > > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. > Once > > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port > forwarding > > > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > James > > > Hello again, > > OK, I found the user manual for yoiur modem online, and it is located here. > > > > From another link on that page I found a wiki page that claims that > youe modem does not have a web interface like mine, so you will need to > use the telnet command shown below to get into it's configuration. It is > Linux based, and the following Wiki page has the set up procedure for it > using Telnet. You need to scroll down a ways to find them. > > > / > telnet 192.168.1.1 > / > Evidently not all DSL modems have a web browser- based cinfiguration > interface as I had assumed before. Your's evidently has both telnet and > ftp access to it's interface. > > Anyway, those pages should get you up and runnimg in short order. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > - > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > if you can't connect to the internet using static ip, you need to know the dhcp client's config on your pc. as I stated before go to the network config and uncheck the roaming mode and use the dhcp configuration, then in the console use the following: ifconfig cat /etc/resolv.conf and write down the parameters and that would be the info needed to configurate static ip address. as I've just seen that your modem/router doesn't have a web-based method to configurate port forwarding, so you'll have to read your manual to do that using telnet, it's not difficult at all, although I haven't done it for years. remember something roaming mode is just like using the dhcp config in network config, but it's not the same. and if you can use roaming mode and dhcp config, surely you can use static ip. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 15 05:44:53 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:44:53 +0000 Subject: New printer - need driver Message-ID: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> My old printer died on me... so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver... alas, no such luck. I was encouraged when the print manager showed the new printer and even got its type tight! When I asked it to print a test page, the lights flashed and the rollers whirred, but no paper went through and no printing... :@( The driver was for the iP2000 series (I have an iP12500) so I thought I'd go to the Canon site and download the driver from there (cnijfilter-common-2.70-2.src.rpm). It was an .rpm file so I installed alien (and a bunch of other dependencies) and told it to convert and install. It bombed out saying that there was no target for my architecture - it was for i386 and I have amd64 installed (Kubuntu, though that makes no difference, does it? Drivers are the same for all flavours of *buntu?). So I dug around and found that alien could just unpack the .rpm into a directory. Fantastic! I could compile it myself to the 64-bit driver! Problem is, I have no idea how to do that! :@( I tried the autogen.sh script but it just said there was nothing to do... Is there a package for this somewhere? Or instructions on how to compile? Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex 64 Linux wulfy-desktop 2.6.27-13-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 26 07:31:49 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From tomahadi at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 05:54:38 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:54:38 +0600 Subject: more permission problem Message-ID: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> >> I >> can't change permissions of folders/files inside the drives even the >> folders/files inside my home directory. I used: >> sudo chmod >> But did not work. What do I do? > > Nothing. It won't work. It's a vfat filesystem. It doesn't support > unix permissions. > > If you want to use permissions, backup, re-format with a modern > filesystem (ext*, reiserfs, xfs, jfs...) and restore. > > > What I don't understand is: you talk about your home directory but > your drives are mounted on /media/c and /media/d. Can you be more > specific? Where's your home directory? > > Thank you for your help. Sorry, I mistakenly wrote that I could not change permissions of the folders/files in my home directory mounted in root (/) directory. But there are some things I need to know about. I checked out the permissions of folders/files in my home directory on the command line, and I found that all the folders (Documents, Music, Public etc.) have permission like this: drwxr-xr-x, and, only one folder named Examples which has permission like this: lrwxrwxrwx, and a file which was created by me has permission like this: -rw-r--r--. My questions are: 1. What do d and l at the beginning of the permission mean? 2. Why can't I access the Examples folder, and even change the permission? How do I change the permission of this folder? 3. Why isn't there anything like d or l at the beginning of the permission of the file? From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 15 06:15:38 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:15:38 +0000 Subject: more permission problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BC9D0A.7010304@tiscali.co.uk> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > Thank you for your help. > Sorry, I mistakenly wrote that I could not change permissions of the > folders/files in my home directory mounted in root (/) directory. > But there are some things I need to know about. > I checked out the permissions of folders/files in my home directory on > the command line, and I found that all the folders (Documents, Music, > Public etc.) have permission like this: drwxr-xr-x, > and, only one folder named Examples which has permission like this: > lrwxrwxrwx, and a file which was created by me has permission like > this: -rw-r--r--. > My questions are: > 1. What do d and l at the beginning of the permission mean? > 2. Why can't I access the Examples folder, and even change the > permission? How do I change the permission of this folder? > 3. Why isn't there anything like d or l at the beginning of the > permission of the file? > > I think I can shed light on 1) and 3): d is a directory l is a link - is an ordinary file. Sorry, I have no idea about question 2). I hope that helps a bit. :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 15 06:27:06 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:27:06 -0700 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:47:20PM -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: > >> What do you get for: >> >> python --version >> > > $ python --version > Python 2.5.2 > > > >> aptitude show python >> > > Package: python > State: installed > Automatically installed: no > Version: 2.5.2-0ubuntu1 > Priority: important > Section: python > Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers > > Uncompressed Size: 614k > Depends: python-minimal (= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python2.5 (>= 2.5.2) > Suggests: python-doc (>= 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python-profiler (>= > 2.5.2-0ubuntu1), python-tk (>= > 2.5.2-0ubuntu1) > Conflicts: python-base, python-bz2, python-central (< 0.5.5), > python-csv, python-xmlbase, python2.1 (<= > 2.1.2), python2.3 (< 2.3.5-14) > Replaces: python-base, python-xmlbase, python2.3 (<= 2.3.2-6) > Provides: python-email, python-xmlbase > Description: An interactive high-level object-oriented language > (default version) > Python, the high-level, interactive object oriented language, > includes an extensive class library with > lots of goodies for network programming, system administration, > sounds and graphics. > > This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's > default Python version (currently > v2.5). > > >> Do you maybe have some third-party repos enabled? >> > > It looks like all regular Ubuntu stuff (I didn't set this server up > originally). The only oddity is the sources.list file has a 6.06 > header in it. This server was at one time 6.06 tho. > > >> Maybe 'aptitude reinstall python'? >> > > Same difference.... > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > A package failed to install. Trying to recover: > Setting up bzr (1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1) ... > Could not find platform independent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/py_compilefiles", line 3, in ? > import os > ImportError: No module named os > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in > main() > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main > rv = action.run(global_options) > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1263, in run > self.options.exclude, byte_compile_default=True) > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 880, in install > rt.byte_compile(linked_files, bc_option, exclude_regex, > ignore_errors) > File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 175, in byte_compile > fd.write(fn + '\n') > IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe > dpkg: error processing bzr (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > bzr > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Building tag database... Done > Hello, I do not understand this fascination with attempting to install things from the command line, when there is the excellent Synaptic Package Manager available right there on your menu, which can easily circumvent the problems you're currently having with your python installation. It even keeps track of your installation history in a user friendly dialog that shows you all of the installed, upgraded, and removed software on your system by date and time. Just select File, History from it's menu to reveal all! From there you can you can find the names of the packages you have removed, then mark them for re-installation. There is also a "Fix Broken Packages" menu item, and you can design custom search filters to sort out lists of things like "installed docs", or all "orphaned" packages on your system, with a filter you can save and refer to again at any time later. I frankly cannot see any reason to use anything else to manage the software on my system. I found all of the available "python" packages in about 30 seconds, with a search on "python" with only the name field being selected for the field to be searched. You can then select snd examine a package's dependencies required, conflicts, suggested packages, packages dependent on this one, packages provided in this one, and the packages replaced by any package you select from the current listings you generated with your last search term. Select another tab from a selected package's information display to immediately view the paths to,, and file names of,, all files installed by that package after you have installed it. Why guess what's going on from the sketchy out put you get from the aptitude tools, when you can have it all layed out right before you in expansive detail by Synaptic? OK, I'm done ranting about the easiest way I've ever seen, to keep track of, search for, select, install, and otherwise administer the software on a computer. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:32:37 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:32:37 +1000 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) In-Reply-To: References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BC808C.2070903@cmc.net> Message-ID: <200903151632.37383.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Victor On Sunday 15 March 2009 15:03:57 Victor Padro wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > James Takac wrote: > > > Hi Guys > > > > > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. > > > I > > > > have > > > > > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are > > > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port > > > > forwarding > > > > > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been > > > googling around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions > > > I've come across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up > > > the dns and > > > > such > > > > > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > > > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. > > > > Once > > > > > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port > > > > forwarding > > > > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > > > > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > > > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > > > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > > > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > > > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > > > James > > > > Hello, > > > > The router in my DSL modem/router combination is actually at an ip of > > http://192.168.0.1/ so the numbers you have there aren't always used as > > you have them. The address shown for my router above allows me to log in > > to my router's configuration interface with my web browser to make any > > changes needed to my connection,. Since I dual boot, and do not change > > the settings each time I do, it is set the same for Windows XP as it is > > for Ubuntu Linux. > > > > Here are my DNS server ip's as well, which are for the isp Qwest that I > > use. Note that the ip of my router is also the setting used for my > > Gateway > > > > DNS Address #1: 205.171.3.25 > > DNS Address #2: 205.171.2.25 > > > > My subnet masks are set to > > > > 255.255.255.255 > > 255.255.255.0 > > 255.255.255.0 > > 255.0.0.0 > > > > Since my actual external ip address gets set dynamically with DHCP, it > > changes periodically at the ips's convenience. My computer itself > > appears to be assigned 192.168.0.2 which is just one digit off from the > > router's location. > > > > So... what you need to do, is attempt to use your browser to access your > > router or modem that your main PC is plugged into directly, and have a > > look at the settings in it's interface. You may need your username and > > password to get logged into it as well, but the first time I logged into > > mine, I did not need them. I have set it to ask for them since then. > > > > Yoou will need to know whether your isp wants you to use PPPoA, or > > PPPoE, if you should turn on DHCP, as well as many other settings that > > may need to be applied, and vary by service provider. You will need to > > ask your isp for these setting's values. > > > > Later, Ray Parrish > > -- > > > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > > http://www.rayslinks.com > > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Why are you trying to use port forwarding? > To setup a lamp server, mail server, ssh server? > If that is your case, well indeed you need to provide your box a static IP > so the port forward will work > If it isn't your case you will need to provide a static ip too, that is how > port forwarding works > > In ubuntu double click on the networking icon or go to menu >system > > aadministration > network and you''ll have to uncheck the roaming mode and > then go to properties and in configuration, select from the drop-down > static ip address and enter the ip address, subnet mask, gateway address > that matches your current dhcp config, ex. > > ip address: 192.168.0.100 > subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 > gateway: 192.168.0.1 > > click ok and then you will have to add the dns info in the dns tab, ex. > 192.168.0.1 or whatever your router is using to resolve names over the > internet > > now that you have assigned the static ip then go to the router ip on your > browser and add the ip address along with the port(s) you need to forward > to that machine. > and that's it! > > hope it helps. Mine is definitely at 10.1.1.1 as that's what I use to access the modem's configuration page. I finally have my pc's all set to static ip's and now just have to set up the port forwarding Thx to all trying to help Much appreciated James From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 06:40:07 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:40:07 +0100 Subject: more permission problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903150740.07234.kassube@gmx.net> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I checked out the permissions of folders/files in my home directory > on the command line, and I found that all the folders (Documents, > Music, Public etc.) have permission like this: drwxr-xr-x, > and, only one folder named Examples which has permission like this: > lrwxrwxrwx, and a file which was created by me has permission like > this: -rw-r--r--. > My questions are: > 1. What do d and l at the beginning of the permission mean? d = directory l = symbolic link > 2. Why can't I access the Examples folder, and even change the > permission? How do I change the permission of this folder? What do you mean by "access"? Did you try the cd command or something else? As it is a symbolic link you can't change the permissions. Links always have lrwxrwxrwx and the real permissions are from the file or directory they are pointing to. If you list your directory with "ls -l" you can see where the link is pointing to at the end of the line. There you can probably read "Examples -> /usr/share/example-content/" which means that the Examples directory really is located at /usr/share/example-content/. However that directory is a system directory (i.e. outside your home directory tree) and the permissions of system files / directories can't be changed by individual users. Do you really want to change something there? If yes, why? > 3. Why isn't there anything like d or l at the beginning of the > permission of the file? The file you created is an ordinary file. Only directories have a "d" and only links have a "l" at the beginning. Try these commands to see the differences: mkdir this_is_a_directory touch this_is_an_ordinary_file ln -s this_is_an_ordinary_file this_is_a_link_to_a_file ln -s this_is_a_directory this_is_a_link_to_a_directory ls -ld this_* Nils From vpadro at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:47:26 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:47:26 -0600 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help) In-Reply-To: <200903151632.37383.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BC808C.2070903@cmc.net> <200903151632.37383.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:32 AM, James Takac wrote: > Hi Victor > > On Sunday 15 March 2009 15:03:57 Victor Padro wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > > James Takac wrote: > > > > Hi Guys > > > > > > > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said > modem. > > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others > are > > > > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port > > > > > > forwarding > > > > > > > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been > > > > googling around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive > instructions > > > > I've come across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting > up > > > > the dns and > > > > > > such > > > > > > > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are > on > > > > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the > net. > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port > > > > > > forwarding > > > > > > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > > > > > > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > > > > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > > > > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > > > > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > > > > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > > > > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > The router in my DSL modem/router combination is actually at an ip of > > > http://192.168.0.1/ so the numbers you have there aren't always used > as > > > you have them. The address shown for my router above allows me to log > in > > > to my router's configuration interface with my web browser to make any > > > changes needed to my connection,. Since I dual boot, and do not change > > > the settings each time I do, it is set the same for Windows XP as it is > > > for Ubuntu Linux. > > > > > > Here are my DNS server ip's as well, which are for the isp Qwest that I > > > use. Note that the ip of my router is also the setting used for my > > > Gateway > > > > > > DNS Address #1: 205.171.3.25 > > > DNS Address #2: 205.171.2.25 > > > > > > My subnet masks are set to > > > > > > 255.255.255.255 > > > 255.255.255.0 > > > 255.255.255.0 > > > 255.0.0.0 > > > > > > Since my actual external ip address gets set dynamically with DHCP, it > > > changes periodically at the ips's convenience. My computer itself > > > appears to be assigned 192.168.0.2 which is just one digit off from the > > > router's location. > > > > > > So... what you need to do, is attempt to use your browser to access > your > > > router or modem that your main PC is plugged into directly, and have a > > > look at the settings in it's interface. You may need your username and > > > password to get logged into it as well, but the first time I logged > into > > > mine, I did not need them. I have set it to ask for them since then. > > > > > > Yoou will need to know whether your isp wants you to use PPPoA, or > > > PPPoE, if you should turn on DHCP, as well as many other settings that > > > may need to be applied, and vary by service provider. You will need to > > > ask your isp for these setting's values. > > > > > > Later, Ray Parrish > > > -- > > > > > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > > > http://www.rayslinks.com > > > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > > > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > Why are you trying to use port forwarding? > > To setup a lamp server, mail server, ssh server? > > If that is your case, well indeed you need to provide your box a static > IP > > so the port forward will work > > If it isn't your case you will need to provide a static ip too, that is > how > > port forwarding works > > > > In ubuntu double click on the networking icon or go to menu >system > > > aadministration > network and you''ll have to uncheck the roaming mode > and > > then go to properties and in configuration, select from the drop-down > > static ip address and enter the ip address, subnet mask, gateway address > > that matches your current dhcp config, ex. > > > > ip address: 192.168.0.100 > > subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 > > gateway: 192.168.0.1 > > > > click ok and then you will have to add the dns info in the dns tab, ex. > > 192.168.0.1 or whatever your router is using to resolve names over the > > internet > > > > now that you have assigned the static ip then go to the router ip on your > > browser and add the ip address along with the port(s) you need to forward > > to that machine. > > and that's it! > > > > hope it helps. > > Mine is definitely at 10.1.1.1 as that's what I use to access the modem's > configuration page. I finally have my pc's all set to static ip's and now > just have to set up the port forwarding > > Thx to all trying to help > Much appreciated > James > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > No problem, good luck. :) -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:49:23 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:49:23 +1000 Subject: dsl-g604t port forwarding (static ip help)[RESOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: <200903151040.53643.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BC8BC8.5080001@cmc.net> Message-ID: <200903151649.24173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> On Sunday 15 March 2009 15:16:56 Victor Padro wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > James Takac wrote: > > > Hi Guys > > > > > > I'm having problems getting the port forwarding to word on said modem. > > > I > > > > have > > > > > the main pc hooked up via the ethernet port directly and my others are > > > wireless. I understand that I need to set up static ip's for port > > > > forwarding > > > > > to work but that's where I'm running into problems. Already been > > > googling around a bit to no avail. The most comprehensive instructions > > > I've come across assume a windows system alas. And it seems setting up > > > the dns and > > > > such > > > > > is a lil different in ubuntu (8.04 here). Currently all my pc's are on > > > roaming mode as it's the only way I've been able to connect to the net. > > > > Once > > > > > I can get the static ip's working I SHOULD be fine with the port > > > > forwarding > > > > > DLink's tech site suggests the following using a windows system > > > > > > Select the 'Use the following IP address' option: > > > IP address: 10.1.1.99 > > > Subnet mask: 255.0.0.0 > > > Default Gateway: 10.1.1.1 (your router's address) > > > DNS: 10.1.1.1 and 61.88.88.88 (or whichever your provider is using) > > > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > > > James > > > > Hello again, > > > > OK, I found the user manual for yoiur modem online, and it is located > > here. > > > > > > > > From another link on that page I found a wiki page that claims that > > youe modem does not have a web interface like mine, so you will need to > > use the telnet command shown below to get into it's configuration. It is > > Linux based, and the following Wiki page has the set up procedure for it > > using Telnet. You need to scroll down a ways to find them. > > > > > > / > > telnet 192.168.1.1 > > / > > Evidently not all DSL modems have a web browser- based cinfiguration > > interface as I had assumed before. Your's evidently has both telnet and > > ftp access to it's interface. > > > > Anyway, those pages should get you up and runnimg in short order. > > > > Later, Ray Parrish > > > > - > > > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > > http://www.rayslinks.com > > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > if you can't connect to the internet using static ip, you need to know the > dhcp client's config on your pc. > as I stated before go to the network config and uncheck the roaming mode > and use the dhcp configuration, then in the console use the following: > > ifconfig > cat /etc/resolv.conf > > and write down the parameters and that would be the info needed to > configurate static ip address. > > as I've just seen that your modem/router doesn't have a web-based method to > configurate port forwarding, so you'll have to read your manual to do that > using telnet, it's not difficult at all, although I haven't done it for > years. > > remember something roaming mode is just like using the dhcp config in > network config, but it's not the same. > and if you can use roaming mode and dhcp config, surely you can use static > ip. Hi Guys Thx to all those who offered help. Finally got it all up to where I wanted it, port forwarding inc. Took a few hours of playing around tho LOL James From markfpyles at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 07:47:27 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:27 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> steve wrote: > Mark Pyles wrote: > >> Hi everyone: >> >> I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. >> Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which >> I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at >> home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I >> just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu >> Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. >> >> Mark >> >> > > sudo apt-get install wine > > > insert visual studio cd, find the install exe, and choose "open with > wine" testing is the only way you will know if it works good enough for > you. > > check here for compatibility and apps database > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true > > > > > Hi Steve: > > Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install after installing Wine. I tried installing MS Visio Studio, but all I received was an error that read "Setup cannot continue because a required file is either corrupted or not available. Run setup again from the original source disc or download location.I have tried installing twice from the orginal cd but each time I try I receive the same error message. Anyting I can do to get around that? Thanks. > Mark > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hdixon at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 15 08:15:43 2009 From: hdixon at bigpond.net.au (hugh) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:45:43 +1030 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903151845.43696.hdixon@bigpond.net.au> Depending on your hardware an alternative may be to run a virtual windows box. I use a package called virtualbox which is free, and find it quite good. You will need to have a copy of Windows to install though. A number of other virtual applications (VMWare, Xen) exist. The reason I say it depends on hardware is that some CPU have built in virtualisation support. Hugh On Sunday 15 March 2009 18:17:27 Mark Pyles wrote: > steve wrote: > > Mark Pyles wrote: > >> Hi everyone: > >> > >> I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. > >> Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which > >> I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at > >> home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I > >> just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu > >> Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. > >> --snip-- > Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 08:17:29 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:17:29 -0300 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Mark Pyles wrote: > > > steve wrote: > > Mark Pyles wrote: > > > Hi everyone: > > I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. > Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which > I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at > home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I > just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu > Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. > > Mark > > > > sudo apt-get install wine > > > insert visual studio cd, find the install exe, and choose "open with > wine" testing is the only way you will know if it works good enough for > you. > > check here for compatibility and apps database > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true > > > > > > Hi Steve: > > > Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install after > installing Wine. I tried installing MS Visio Studio, but all I received was > an error that read "Setup cannot continue because a required file is either > corrupted or not available. Run setup again from the original source disc or > download location.I have tried installing twice from the orginal cd but each > time I try I receive the same error message. Anyting I can do to get around > that? Thanks. > > > Mark Depending on your hardware, you might try Virtualbox. Will need an available Windows CD and licence. Would be running an Windows instance over Ubuntu, just like if it were an application. MS Visio Studio running over Windows wouldn't notice any difference. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From linux at kleinschnitker.com Sun Mar 15 08:17:36 2009 From: linux at kleinschnitker.com (Michael Kleinschnitker) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:17:36 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903150917.37376.linux@kleinschnitker.com> HI Mark, > > Mark Pyles wrote: > >> I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. > >> Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which > >> I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at > >> home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I > >> just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu > >> Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. If you have an new PC including enough RAM, you might use VirtualBox running Windows and MS Visual Studio in it. It`s a virtualization software. You should use the original VirtualBox debs. Download: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads Help: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/End-user_documentation Micha From habtool at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 08:24:50 2009 From: habtool at gmail.com (habtool) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:24:50 +0200 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237105490.26489.14.camel@1720> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 03:47 -0400, Mark Pyles wrote: > > Hi Steve: > > > > Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install after installing Wine. > > I tried installing MS Visio Studio, but all I received was an error that read "Setup cannot > > continue because a required file is either corrupted or not available. > > Run setup again from the original source disc or download location. > > I have tried installing twice from the orginal cd but each time I try I receive the same error message. > > Anyting I can do to get around that? Thanks. You can try installing virtualbox. There is a free and non free version, main difference is the non free has better USB support Once that is installed you will require a Windows XP CD, which you will use to install a full XP installation that will run within virtualbox. This will give you most of the functionality of running a regular XP session, except you wont have 3D graphics acceleration, so no 3D gaming. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads You can also add the virtualbox repo to your sources.list which will allow for updates to virtualbox to be done via the update manager of Ubuntu There is also vmware that works similarly, but I personally prefer Virtualbox. You can also use Virtualbox for installing other Linux distributions, if you don't have a Windows CD but want to see how virtualbox would work, use your Ubutnu CD and install a virtual Ubuntu in Ubuntu. (This just makes one big file and does not partition your HDD) Good luck From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 08:57:27 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:57:27 +0200 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted Message-ID: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> $ sudo cat /dev/mem | strings > mem.txt cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted Why not? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk Sun Mar 15 09:09:07 2009 From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:09:07 +0000 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BCC5B3.3090204@manchester.ac.uk> Dotan, Dotan Cohen wrote: > $ sudo cat /dev/mem | strings > mem.txt > cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted I just tried $sudo cat /dev/mem and got lots of wierd stuff on the screen, as I would expect. I then tried sudo cat /dev/mem > mem.txt. It sat there for a while, and I got the same error as you when I hit ctrl-C. mem.txt did contain some data. I'm guessing you cannot do a file close operation on /dev/mem, for some reason. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security, Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk From ajrawls1 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 05:57:25 2009 From: ajrawls1 at hotmail.com (A. J. Rawls) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:57:25 -0800 Subject: Installing Ubuntu on a new system Message-ID: I want to try SUSE and Ubuntu, I built two systems and want to install the operating systems. I did not partition or format the new hard disk drives. I put the program CDs in the DVD drives and started the systems. The systems booted to a GRUB prompt. How do I install the operating systems? Websites for each operating system seem to be geared to installing on systems with Windoze already installed and talk about a graphical interface. Neither system booted to a graphical interface. Where do I go from here? Thanks in advance, A.J. The Anchorage Fishwrapper and Litterbox Liner Press From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 09:35:14 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:35:14 +0200 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <49BCC5B3.3090204@manchester.ac.uk> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <49BCC5B3.3090204@manchester.ac.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00903150235g538a53a7o231a2eefd3cc8f4d@mail.gmail.com> > I just tried $sudo cat /dev/mem and got lots of wierd stuff on the > screen, as I would expect. > That's why I run it through strings. > I then tried sudo cat /dev/mem > mem.txt. It sat there for a while, and > I got the same error as you when I hit ctrl-C. mem.txt did contain some > data. > I didn't even hit Ctrl-C. It just gave me the error. > I'm guessing you cannot do a file close operation on /dev/mem, for some > reason. > On any other Linux-based OS this is possible, in fact, it is good for recovering lost files. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk Sun Mar 15 10:05:39 2009 From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <880dece00903150235g538a53a7o231a2eefd3cc8f4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <49BCC5B3.3090204@manchester.ac.uk> <880dece00903150235g538a53a7o231a2eefd3cc8f4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BCD2F3.90807@manchester.ac.uk> Dotan, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I then tried sudo cat /dev/mem > mem.txt. It sat there for a while, and >> I got the same error as you when I hit ctrl-C. mem.txt did contain some >> data. >> > > I didn't even hit Ctrl-C. It just gave me the error. It's weird because sudo cat /dev/mem > mem.txt results in about 1MB of data in mem.txt. So some of /dev/mem is readable. I also get the following from dmesg: Program cat tried to access /dev/mem between 101000->102000. > On any other Linux-based OS this is possible, in fact, it is good for > recovering lost files. It's either some kernel limitation/protection or a bug! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security, Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sun Mar 15 10:34:31 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:34:31 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 03:47 -0400, Mark Pyles wrote: > Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install > after installing Wine. Visual Studio is known not to work, not even in the commercial Wine version, Crossover: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ad3pym Your only option will be to install Windows in a virtualized environment (using VirtualBox or vmware) and install Visual Studio inside Windows. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sun Mar 15 10:43:02 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:43:02 +0100 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:57 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted I'm pretty sure this is a restriction enforced by AppArmor. From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 10:55:17 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:55:17 +0100 Subject: Installing Ubuntu on a new system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903151155.17297.kassube@gmx.net> A. J. Rawls wrote: > I want to try SUSE and Ubuntu, I built two systems and want to > install the operating systems. I did not partition or format the new > hard disk drives. Usually you don't have to partition or format disks before you start the installation. It is done during the installation process anyway. > I put the program CDs in the DVD drives and > started the systems. The systems booted to a GRUB prompt. Can you be more specific? What is the grub error message? > How do I install the operating systems? Websites for each operating > system seem to be geared to installing on systems with Windoze > already installed and talk about a graphical interface. I can't tell you about the Suse installation but the Ubuntu installation doesn't need Windows installed. You can just ignore the Windows part. > Neither > system booted to a graphical interface. There may be a problem with your hardware which may need some special configuration. Can you tell us more about your machine like manufacturer and model? Especially your RAM size might be a problem. The Ubuntu LiveCD needs at least 256MB for the installation. OTOH, if you only get a grub prompt, the boot process probably didn't proceed far enough for the RAM to be the problem. Nils From stephanos at writeme.com Sun Mar 15 11:01:53 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:01:53 +0000 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BCE021.3080504@writeme.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 03:47 -0400, Mark Pyles wrote: >> Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install >> after installing Wine. > > Visual Studio is known not to work, not even in the commercial Wine > version, Crossover: > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ad3pym > > Your only option will be to install Windows in a virtualized environment > (using VirtualBox or vmware) and install Visual Studio inside Windows. > > I use a commercial application called Win4lin Pro (win4lin.com) on my 8.04 laptop and my 8.10 pc. I costs a little less than VMWARE, has excellent technical support. Your install the application at the the command line, run a graphical installer where you insert the Windows CD. You end up with a graphical user inteface where you can start and stop your windows session, make back up of Windows and all the applications you have installed, adjust/fine tune your windows sessions. But the best bit is that the applications you have in Win4lin/Windows can be started and run without have a windows session on-screen, so these applications look as though they are running independently of Windows. Because this is a near native Windows environment I have not found anything that does not work. I use Visio, Office 2K, CSE HTML Validator, Paint Shop Pro, Swish Max. I have re-installed this application several times as I change machines. I keep step by step notes on how to install and you could have these if you go ahead. (not sure if you need them of course). Good luck Stephen From stephanos at writeme.com Sun Mar 15 11:04:35 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:04:35 +0000 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BC1399.703@cmc.net> References: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> <49BAEA62.9000004@writeme.com> <49BC1399.703@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49BCE0C3.4030708@writeme.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >> >> >>> Stephen Constantinou wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >. . . >>>>> >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >>>>> >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >>>>> >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >>>>> >. . . >>>>> >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >>>>> >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >>>>> >individual e-mail boxes/files. >>>>> > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >>>>> >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >>>>> >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >>>>> >state that they are links and do not have permissions. >>>>> > >>>>> >Questions >>>>> >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >>>>> >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >>>>> >View & Modify? >>>>> > >>>>> >Any help appreciated >>>>> > >>>>> >Stephen >>>>> >>>>> The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just >>>>> use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more >>>>> information would be nice. :) >>>>> You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in >>>>> your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here >>>>> so that we could see the details of the links you made? >>>>> >>>>> I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with >>>>> what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. >>>>> Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the >>>>> line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) >>>>> I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder >>>>> ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos >>>>> (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) >>>>> >>>>> If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using >>>>> the chmod command >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>> This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. >>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls >>>> etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading >>>> the mail boxes directly from C drive. >>>> >>>> Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try >>>> this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 >>>> into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the >>>> situation. >>>> >>>> With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server >>>> Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display >>>> that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to >>>> change the location. >>>> >>>> With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. >>>> Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local >>>> Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to >>>> set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. >>>> >>>> Is my Thunderbird different to yours? >>>> >>>> Thanks and wait to hear >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> It's acting different than TBird (2.0.0.19) here on my Ubuntu >>> machine, and every other TBird install I've seen, regardless of OS... >>> Did you install TBird from Ubuntu repos, or somewhere else? >>> >>> >>> >> Dear All >> >> I posted a question on the mozilla/Thunderbird forum and solved this one. >> >> I am embarrassed to say that the window showing the server setting only >> had to be resized to show the Local Directory. >> >> I have now pointed this to the xp partition and tested it. I am now >> able to see the and use the same mail folders in both xp and Ubuntu. A >> much better solution than using symbolic links. >> >> Thanks to all and thanks to Alan for suggesting this >> >> Best wishes >> >> Stephen >> > Hi there, > > Congratulations on figuring out how to do this! I just wanted to warn > you about one thing that can go wrong when editing files on the Win XP > drive from within Ubuntu. If you have System Restore monitoring the > drive where your email files reside, or any drive which you make changes > to from within Ubuntu while Windows is not running,, on the next boot > into Windows, System Restore will detect the changes, and you will lose > all of your restore points. This only applies if you change files of a > type which System Restore actually monitors, so it may not apply to your > mail files. > > Just thought you might like to know that little fact. 8-) > > Later, Ray Parrish > Dear Ray This is worth knowing as I have to maintain XP for my wife and I was using system restore for back up points. I will bear this in mind Thanks Stephen From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 11:39:20 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:39:20 +0200 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903150439q4c89808bk9d8f888329d074d@mail.gmail.com> >> cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted > > I'm pretty sure this is a restriction enforced by AppArmor. > I see, thanks. That actually does make sense, and would fall under 'feature'. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From 521liuxianliang at 163.com Sun Mar 15 11:39:40 2009 From: 521liuxianliang at 163.com (=?gb2312?Q?=C1=F5=CF=C8=C1=BC?=) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:39:40 +0800 Subject: can't install cowpatty under 8.10 Message-ID: <1237117180.13955.18.camel@King-laptop> i want to install cowpatty ,but when i "make" there's something wrong! here is the details: ethan at King-laptop:~/cowpatty-4.3$ make cc -pipe -Wall -DOPENSSL -O2 -g3 -ggdb -c -o md5.o md5.c md5.c:20:25: error: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory md5.c: In function ‘md5_mac’: md5.c:28: error: ‘MD5_CTX’ undeclared (first use in this function) md5.c:28: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once md5.c:28: error: for each function it appears in.) md5.c:28: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘context’ md5.c:29: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘MD5_Init’ md5.c:29: error: ‘context’ undeclared (first use in this function) md5.c:30: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘MD5_Update’ md5.c:33: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘MD5_Final’ md5.c: In function ‘hmac_md5_vector’: md5.c:40: error: ‘MD5_CTX’ undeclared (first use in this function) md5.c:40: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘context’ md5.c:48: error: ‘context’ undeclared (first use in this function) make: *** [md5.o] Error 1 i have installed openssl and "aptitude install libssl-dev", who can help me? ps: cowpatty come from http://www.willhackforsushi.com/Cowpatty.html From xfreebird at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 11:58:46 2009 From: xfreebird at gmail.com (Nicolae Ghimbovschi) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:58:46 +0200 Subject: can't install cowpatty under 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237117180.13955.18.camel@King-laptop> References: <1237117180.13955.18.camel@King-laptop> Message-ID: You need to install openssl devel package On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 13:39, 刘先良 <521liuxianliang at 163.com> wrote: > i want to install cowpatty ,but when i "make" there's something wrong! > here is the details: > > ethan at King-laptop:~/cowpatty-4.3$ make > cc -pipe -Wall -DOPENSSL -O2 -g3 -ggdb -c -o md5.o md5.c > md5.c:20:25: error: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory > md5.c: In function 'md5_mac': > md5.c:28: error: 'MD5_CTX' undeclared (first use in this function) > md5.c:28: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > md5.c:28: error: for each function it appears in.) > md5.c:28: error: expected ';' before 'context' > md5.c:29: warning: implicit declaration of function 'MD5_Init' > md5.c:29: error: 'context' undeclared (first use in this function) > md5.c:30: warning: implicit declaration of function 'MD5_Update' > md5.c:33: warning: implicit declaration of function 'MD5_Final' > md5.c: In function 'hmac_md5_vector': > md5.c:40: error: 'MD5_CTX' undeclared (first use in this function) > md5.c:40: error: expected ';' before 'context' > md5.c:48: error: 'context' undeclared (first use in this function) > make: *** [md5.o] Error 1 > > i have installed openssl and "aptitude install libssl-dev", who can help > me? > > ps: cowpatty come from http://www.willhackforsushi.com/Cowpatty.html > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 12:40:44 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:40:44 -0300 Subject: more permission problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903142254s2e2fd980re5a7132c80100ae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903150540n761df53au9c6e006f5b312ca4@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > and, only one folder named Examples which has permission like this: > lrwxrwxrwx, and a file which was created by me has permission like > this: -rw-r--r--. [snip] > 2. Why can't I access the Examples folder, and even change the > permission? How do I change the permission of this folder? My WAG is Examples is a symlink to who knows where, but I'm sure it goes to a place where you're not supposed (as user) to change permissions. Can you post the output of: ls -la ? Thanks Norberto From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sun Mar 15 12:46:58 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:46:58 +0100 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <880dece00903150439q4c89808bk9d8f888329d074d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> <880dece00903150439q4c89808bk9d8f888329d074d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237121218.8640.20.camel@chronic> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 13:39 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I see, thanks. That actually does make sense, and would fall under > 'feature'. If you need the option it should be possible to change your AppArmor profiles accordingly, but I have no clue about how AppArmor works. From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 12:53:48 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:53:48 -0300 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903150553w1e0b0204pb2efe269410ee9ae@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 10:57 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted > > I'm pretty sure this is a restriction enforced by AppArmor. It's a feature. Ubuntu kernels are compiled with CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM. From taig at melbpc.org.au Sun Mar 15 13:47:11 2009 From: taig at melbpc.org.au (GaryT) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:47:11 +1100 Subject: Write to file forbidden Message-ID: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command ls -s -S -R from the root directory. BUT When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I get "permission denied" e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt adding sudo makes no difference using gksudo also makes no difference. please, how does one overcome the problem? TIA Gary T From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 13:52:40 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:52:40 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090315135239.GA8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:27:06PM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > > I do not understand this fascination with attempting to install things > from the command line, when there is the excellent Synaptic Package > Manager available right there on your menu, which can easily circumvent > the problems you're currently having with your python installation. [...] Well, I am not where the server is, so command line is *much* easier and faster than running X remote across the internet (which I have done in a previous incarnation). The system is in a datacenter, with no monitor, mouse or keyboard attached. Secondly, any GUI adds a layer of complexity wrapping the basic functionality of the underlying system components, which sometimes introduce the potential for bugs or unwanted "features". I've run all this through 'strace' to see if I can see just where things are breaking, but no joy there either, which is the kind of thing that can be done command line and not GUI. Not that it helped me this time. If it were a local system, I'd be happy to try anything at this point though. Any port in a storm. The error messages certainly aren't helping me at all. Thanks. -- Hal From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 15 13:58:11 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:58:11 -0700 Subject: Dual boot XP/ubuntu and symbolic links from XP to Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BCE0C3.4030708@writeme.com> References: <49B83136.40808@writeme.com> <49B835DC.6020501@sbcglobal.net> <49BAEA62.9000004@writeme.com> <49BC1399.703@cmc.net> <49BCE0C3.4030708@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49BD0973.3030207@cmc.net> Stephen wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Stephen Constantinou wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >. . . >>>>>> >I do not want to copy all my user files from XP onto the Linux >>>>>> >partition. To this end I have learned (via this forum) how to mount the >>>>>> >xp/ntfs partition at boot up and now the XP file structure (of C:) >>>>>> >. . . >>>>>> >From within Kubuntu the xp folder containing the e-mails is owned by >>>>>> >root: and all groups can view & modify. This is also true of the >>>>>> >individual e-mail boxes/files. >>>>>> > From within Kubuntu/thunderbird the folder containing the e-mails is >>>>>> >owned by stephanos (the only user) and owner can view & Modify. Group >>>>>> >and Others are forbidden. The individual e-mail boxes/files clearly >>>>>> >state that they are links and do not have permissions. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Questions >>>>>> >1) Is what I am trying to achieve impossible or have I missed something? >>>>>> >2) Should I be turning those permissions that say Forbidden into Can >>>>>> >View & Modify? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Any help appreciated >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> The first question I ask is why are you even linking? Why not just >>>>>> use the folders on your C drive as your data folders for the email? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, What you are trying to do should be possible, but some more >>>>>> information would be nice. :) >>>>>> You said that you mounted it at boot? What is the relevant line in >>>>>> your fstab file? Also if you could ls -al the directory and post here >>>>>> so that we could see the details of the links you made? >>>>>> >>>>>> I also do the same thing with my computer and have no problems with >>>>>> what you are describing, but it has been a while since I set it up. >>>>>> Off the top of my head, I seem to remember having problems with the >>>>>> line in /etc/fstab. I think it should end with 0 0 (zero zero) >>>>>> I think you may also have to change the ownership of the folder >>>>>> ie: sudo chown stephanos stephanos >>>>>> (I only guessed at the stephanos'es, check your system first!) >>>>>> >>>>>> If that doesn't work try changing the permissions on the folder using >>>>>> the chmod command >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>>> This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. >>>>>> ============================================================================== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Dear All >>>>> >>>>> Thanks to Alan, Derek and Walton. Before I go down the avenue of ls >>>>> etc, I just want to explore with Alan his first suggestion about loading >>>>> the mail boxes directly from C drive. >>>>> >>>>> Alan, I thought about this and could not remember why I did not try >>>>> this. Many years ago I did just copy them over/import them from win98 >>>>> into Mandrake and they did work. I was always hoping to improve the >>>>> situation. >>>>> >>>>> With Thunderbird (XP), inside the account section, on the Server >>>>> Directory list on the left, there is indeed a Local Directory display >>>>> that points at the location of the mail boxes and a browse button to >>>>> change the location. >>>>> >>>>> With Thunderbird (Kubuntu), there is not. Now I am surprised by this. >>>>> Such an option does exists in Thunderbird (Kubuntu) for the Local >>>>> Folders only and not for accounts that I have made. In total I need to >>>>> set up five e-mail accounts each with their own Inbox's. >>>>> >>>>> Is my Thunderbird different to yours? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and wait to hear >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It's acting different than TBird (2.0.0.19) here on my Ubuntu >>>> machine, and every other TBird install I've seen, regardless of OS... >>>> Did you install TBird from Ubuntu repos, or somewhere else? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear All >>> >>> I posted a question on the mozilla/Thunderbird forum and solved this one. >>> >>> I am embarrassed to say that the window showing the server setting only >>> had to be resized to show the Local Directory. >>> >>> I have now pointed this to the xp partition and tested it. I am now >>> able to see the and use the same mail folders in both xp and Ubuntu. A >>> much better solution than using symbolic links. >>> >>> Thanks to all and thanks to Alan for suggesting this >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >> Hi there, >> >> Congratulations on figuring out how to do this! I just wanted to warn >> you about one thing that can go wrong when editing files on the Win XP >> drive from within Ubuntu. If you have System Restore monitoring the >> drive where your email files reside, or any drive which you make changes >> to from within Ubuntu while Windows is not running,, on the next boot >> into Windows, System Restore will detect the changes, and you will lose >> all of your restore points. This only applies if you change files of a >> type which System Restore actually monitors, so it may not apply to your >> mail files. >> >> Just thought you might like to know that little fact. 8-) >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > > Dear Ray > > This is worth knowing as I have to maintain XP for my wife and I was > using system restore for back up points. > > I will bear this in mind > > Thanks > > Stephen > Hello again, The following link is to a Microsoft MVP web site that spells out in details all of the thiings you might want to know about System Restore. This page in particular spells out exactly which files and folders System Restore in Windows XP does, and does not monitor. The rest of this web site has many more interesting details about System Restore in Windows XP, Windows Vista, and even has a link to Tech Support for System Restore in Windows ME. Later, Ray Parrish Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com From smoot at tic.com Sun Mar 15 14:17:40 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:17:40 -0700 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <1237126660.7808.277.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 00:47 +1100, GaryT wrote: > To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command > ls -s -S -R > from the root directory. > > BUT > When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I get > "permission denied" > e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt > > adding sudo makes no difference > using gksudo also makes no difference. > > please, how does one overcome the problem? The redirect is opening the output file in the / directory before the sudo command is executed. Redirects are handled by the parent shell and not by sudo. Try it from your home directory. e.g. sudo ls -sSR / >files.txt -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 15 14:26:11 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:26:11 -0600 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <20090315082611.7c468cc0@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:47:11 +1100 GaryT wrote: > To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command > ls -s -S -R > from the root directory. > > BUT > When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I > get "permission denied" > e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt > > adding sudo makes no difference > using gksudo also makes no difference. > > please, how does one overcome the problem? > TIA > Gary T > If you are running this in "/", you do not have write permission to create 'files.txt'. Try using sudo ls -s -S -R >/home/your-user-name/files.txt replacing your-user-name with the correct name. This will allow a full listing to be generated and the report written to your home directory. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 15 14:32:09 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:32:09 -0700 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315135239.GA8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> <20090315135239.GA8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <49BD1169.2040001@cmc.net> Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:27:06PM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> I do not understand this fascination with attempting to install things >> from the command line, when there is the excellent Synaptic Package >> Manager available right there on your menu, which can easily circumvent >> the problems you're currently having with your python installation. >> > > [...] > > Well, I am not where the server is, so command line is *much* easier > and faster than running X remote across the internet (which I have > done in a previous incarnation). The system is in a datacenter, with > no monitor, mouse or keyboard attached. > > Secondly, any GUI adds a layer of complexity wrapping the basic > functionality of the underlying system components, which sometimes > introduce the potential for bugs or unwanted "features". > > I've run all this through 'strace' to see if I can see just where > things are breaking, but no joy there either, which is the kind of > thing that can be done command line and not GUI. Not that it helped me > this time. > > If it were a local system, I'd be happy to try anything at this point > though. Any port in a storm. The error messages certainly aren't > helping me at all. Thanks. > Ahhh! That clears up the reasons for that then. I can sometimes have a slightly restricted view point, being here at home all the time, and did not consider the possibility of remote administration being a factor. I am actually getting to where I like the power available to me at the command line for certain things. The biggest problem I've had with it so far is the seemingly inconsistent application of syntax rules as applied to different commands. This has my nose constantly buried in the man, and info pages, when I'm trying to do anything with the command line. It is worth learning however, as the search interface as built into Nautilus is painfully slow, whereas the use of ls, find, and grep can really speed things up, if I could just remember the details of how each one works when I want to use them. DOS batch language commands were no where nearly as power full, but they did apply very consistent syntax rules, which made it easier to remember how to use them. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 14:30:57 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:30:57 +0100 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <200903151530.57864.kassube@gmx.net> GaryT wrote: > To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command > ls -s -S -R > from the root directory. That would be nearly all files - hidden files would stay hidden. If you want to see ALL files, add the -A option. > BUT > When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I > get "permission denied" > e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt You are not allowed to write to "/files.txt". > adding sudo makes no difference No, it doesn't because sudo then only works for the ls command, not for the output redirection. Try sudo ls -sSR / >~/files.txt which will give you a list of all files but place the output in your home directory. > using gksudo also makes no difference. There is no big difference between sudo and gksudo in this case because, like sudo, it operates on the ls command not on the output redirection. Nils From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 15:05:11 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:05:11 -0300 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903150805o3f6714bcu3754db5e8890f442@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, GaryT wrote: > from the root directory. >        e.g.    ls -s -S -R >files.txt you -as user- have no permission on / > adding sudo makes no difference > using gksudo also makes no difference. no. because redirection is still being done as user: sudo ls -s -S -R | sudo tee files.txt >/dev/null will work. BTW, this' a FAQ. From james at dawning.ca Fri Mar 13 18:58:54 2009 From: james at dawning.ca (James T Snell) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:54 -0600 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms Message-ID: When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because the computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop power cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs inside the power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never sees anything but DC power. I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read "External Power" and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as precise as we can be without actually being incorrect in some occasions. I appreciate that this is quite a cosmetic request, however I think it could help remove a misleading concept that could lead to people misunderstanding what they're doing. I already submitted this as a bug, but I was told to instead comment on this here. Anyway, have fun, keep up the great work & cheers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ygorbatyuk at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 07:14:34 2009 From: ygorbatyuk at hotmail.com (Yelena gorbatyuk) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:14:34 -0400 Subject: removing ubuntu Message-ID: Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... Thanks for your help, Yelena _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ajmartin2005 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Mar 15 12:44:39 2009 From: ajmartin2005 at hotmail.co.uk (Andrew Martin) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:44:39 +0000 Subject: Installation Report - Failed Message-ID: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Package: installation-reports Boot Method: CD Image Version: 01/03/2009 Official Date: 15/03/2009 @ 12:00 Machine: ACER Extensa E210 Processor: AMD Sempron 3800+ 2.20 Ghz Memory: 3.50 Gb Partitions: DiskNo PartNo Drive Size FileSystem Notes 0 0 - 9.76 GB 0 1 C 69.78 GB NTFS 0 2 D 69.51 GB NTFS 1 0 A 232 GB NTFS 2 0 B 243 GB NTFS Output of lspci and lspci -n: Base System Installation Checklist: [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot worked: [O] Configure network HW: [ ] Config network: [ ] Detect CD: [ ] Load installer modules: [ ] Detect hard drives: [ ] Partition hard drives: [ ] Create file systems: [ ] Mount partitions: [ ] Install base system: [ ] Install boot loader: [ ] Reboot: [ ] Comments/Problems: Installed Ubuntu inside of Windows, installation started, computer reboot & during restart computer failed to respond while "Starting Bluetooth Services...", I have tried to uninstall & repeat installation without success. Found similar problem at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=727714 _________________________________________________________________ 25GB of FREE Online Storage – Find out more http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665320/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:03:53 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:03:53 -0500 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: [...] > Could not find platform independent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback OK - this is bad. I'm not sure if this is the same problem as you had originally, but it appears that your python cannot find *any* site modules. Check your permissions: $ ls -l /usr/lib/ | grep -i python lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-01-25 20:45 libpython2.5.so.1 -> libpython2.5.so.1.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1240920 2008-07-31 13:42 libpython2.5.so.1.0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-07-02 05:49 python2.3 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-07-02 05:49 python2.4 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 20480 2009-01-25 20:51 python2.5 drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2009-02-05 13:41 python-support Next, try: $ python -v -c 'import.os' As a shot in the dark - do you have plenty of free disk space? I do love me some Python, but it can be frustrating when it's not working properly - esp when system tools depend on it! Chris From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:14:06 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:14:06 -0500 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good with > computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on the > computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from what > i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and forth... ? > I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... > Thanks for your help, > Yelena 1. Back up anything you would like to keep from Ubuntu 2. Install XP from CD Chris From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:24:59 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:24:59 -0300 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151024r72f77fcaid847f57d31e221d7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > im not very good with > computers, You really should ask someone to help you in person. Installing an operating system is not a trivial task. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:22:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:22:25 +0200 Subject: cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <1237121218.8640.20.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903150157r4e39996ds99f6e77295b61ea6@mail.gmail.com> <1237113782.8640.15.camel@chronic> <880dece00903150439q4c89808bk9d8f888329d074d@mail.gmail.com> <1237121218.8640.20.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903151022p52644f60k1fa216a9f0f2a42e@mail.gmail.com> > If you need the option it should be possible to change your AppArmor > profiles accordingly, but I have no clue about how AppArmor works. > Not really, and I certainly don't want $insertAppHere to read my super-secret launch codes file out of memory. Now that I think about it, I like this feature. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:29:44 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:29:44 -0300 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151029j39c37ab2i3f1ed6db6d19818b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 but I get the following error > Is that even possible? I would try this on a terminal: sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude dist-upgrade sudo reboot sudo aptitude install update-manager-core sudo do-release-upgrade But I'm almost sure your installation will break somewhere, and you will most probably hate me forever :-( From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 17:36:38 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:36:38 -0500 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Wulfy wrote: > My old printer died on me...  so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer > assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver...  alas, no such luck. > > I was encouraged when the print manager showed the new printer and even > got its type tight!  When I asked it to print a test page, the lights > flashed and the rollers whirred, but no paper went through and no > printing...  :@( > > The driver was for the iP2000 series (I have an iP12500) so I thought Did you mean ip2500? Try looking this over: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=592685 Not for the faint of heart, and you may also have to look into creating a chroot to run alien in since your arch is different. Note that RPM files are just archives - you can right-click them to extract the contents. HTH Chris From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 17:24:18 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:24:18 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:03:53PM -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > [...] > > Could not find platform independent libraries > > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > OK - this is bad. I'm not sure if this is the same problem as you had > originally, but it appears that your python cannot find *any* site > modules. Check your permissions: > > $ ls -l /usr/lib/ | grep -i python > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-01-25 20:45 libpython2.5.so.1 -> > libpython2.5.so.1.0 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1240920 2008-07-31 13:42 libpython2.5.so.1.0 > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-07-02 05:49 python2.3 > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-07-02 05:49 python2.4 > drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 20480 2009-01-25 20:51 python2.5 > drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2009-02-05 13:41 python-support [root at ratt /]$ ls -l /usr/lib/ | grep -i python lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-03-14 21:54 libpython2.4.so.1 -> libpython2.4.so.1.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1111320 2008-07-31 14:52 libpython2.4.so.1.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-03-14 21:54 libpython2.5.so.1 ->libpython2.5.so.1.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1240920 2008-07-31 14:42 libpython2.5.so.1.0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-03-15 10:03 python-support drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-03-15 10:03 python2.3 drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2009-03-14 21:54 python2.4 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 12288 2009-03-14 21:54 python2.5 > Next, try: > $ python -v -c 'import.os' [root at ratt /]$ python -v -c 'import.os' # installing zipimport hook import zipimport # builtin # installed zipimport hook # /usr/lib/python2.5/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/site.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/os.pyc import errno # builtin import posix # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.py import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/types.py import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/types.pyc import _types # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.py import sitecustomize # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.py import warnings # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.py import linecache # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.pyc import encodings # directory /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.py import encodings # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.py import codecs # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.pyc import _codecs # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.py import encodings.aliases # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.py import encodings.utf_8 # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.pyc Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jul 31 2008, 17:28:52) [GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. File "", line 1 import.os ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax # clear __builtin__._ # clear sys.path # clear sys.argv # clear sys.ps1 # clear sys.ps2 # clear sys.exitfunc # clear sys.exc_type # clear sys.exc_value # clear sys.exc_traceback # clear sys.last_type # clear sys.last_value # clear sys.last_traceback # clear sys.path_hooks # clear sys.path_importer_cache # clear sys.meta_path # restore sys.stdin # restore sys.stdout # restore sys.stderr # cleanup __main__ # cleanup[1] site # cleanup[1] encodings # cleanup[1] _codecs # cleanup[1] zipimport # cleanup[1] warnings # cleanup[1] encodings.utf_8 # cleanup[1] codecs # cleanup[1] types # cleanup[1] _types # cleanup[1] sitecustomize # cleanup[1] signal # cleanup[1] linecache # cleanup[1] posix # cleanup[1] encodings.aliases # cleanup[1] exceptions # cleanup[2] copy_reg # cleanup[2] posixpath # cleanup[2] errno # cleanup[2] os.path # cleanup[2] stat # cleanup[2] UserDict # cleanup[2] os # cleanup sys # cleanup __builtin__ # cleanup ints: 7 unfreed ints in 1 out of 4 blocks # cleanup floats [root at ratt /]$ In case 'import.os' shoulda been 'import os': [root at ratt /]$ python -v -c 'import os' # installing zipimport hook import zipimport # builtin # installed zipimport hook # /usr/lib/python2.5/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/site.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/os.pyc import errno # builtin import posix # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/posixpath.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/stat.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/UserDict.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.py import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/copy_reg.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/types.py import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/types.pyc import _types # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.py import sitecustomize # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/sitecustomize.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.py import warnings # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/warnings.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.py import linecache # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/linecache.pyc import encodings # directory /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.py import encodings # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/__init__.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.py import codecs # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/codecs.pyc import _codecs # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.py import encodings.aliases # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/aliases.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.py import encodings.utf_8 # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.pyc Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jul 31 2008, 17:28:52) [GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. # clear __builtin__._ # clear sys.path # clear sys.argv # clear sys.ps1 # clear sys.ps2 # clear sys.exitfunc # clear sys.exc_type # clear sys.exc_value # clear sys.exc_traceback # clear sys.last_type # clear sys.last_value # clear sys.last_traceback # clear sys.path_hooks # clear sys.path_importer_cache # clear sys.meta_path # restore sys.stdin # restore sys.stdout # restore sys.stderr # cleanup __main__ # cleanup[1] site # cleanup[1] encodings # cleanup[1] _codecs # cleanup[1] zipimport # cleanup[1] warnings # cleanup[1] encodings.utf_8 # cleanup[1] codecs # cleanup[1] types # cleanup[1] _types # cleanup[1] sitecustomize # cleanup[1] signal # cleanup[1] linecache # cleanup[1] posix # cleanup[1] encodings.aliases # cleanup[1] exceptions # cleanup[2] copy_reg # cleanup[2] posixpath # cleanup[2] errno # cleanup[2] os.path # cleanup[2] stat # cleanup[2] UserDict # cleanup[2] os # cleanup sys # cleanup __builtin__ # cleanup ints: 7 unfreed ints in 1 out of 4 blocks # cleanup floats > As a shot in the dark - do you have plenty of free disk space? Yea, basically a new installation: [root at ratt /]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 33539080 1589940 30245452 5% / varrun 517580 56 517524 1% /var/run varlock 517580 0 517580 0% /var/lock udev 517580 44 517536 1% /dev devshm 517580 0 517580 0% /dev/shm > I do love me some Python, but it can be frustrating when it's not > working properly - esp when system tools depend on it! It seems to me that while apt is a great tool, when one has to re-install something, it tends to want a little pain. This system had been CentOS at one point, then went to 6.06, and now 8.04, so there may be some buried cruft (I did none of those installations personally). I had some wierd Apache and php package related issues too (fixed with a purge/reinstall). Thanks for the help. -- Hal From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sun Mar 15 17:55:42 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:55:42 +0100 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237139742.8640.239.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:31 +0000, Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 Both 6.10 and 7.04 have reached End-of-life: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases There might be feasible ways to upgrade, but you will be much better off by backing up your data and reinstalling a currently-supported version. Probably best to use 8.04.2 LTS from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/ From tomahadi at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:02:37 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:02:37 +0600 Subject: still permissin problem Message-ID: <11286abe0903151102j380d862ew6751b136320f6bf3@mail.gmail.com> > > My WAG is Examples is a symlink to who knows where, but I'm sure it > goes to a place where you're not supposed (as user) to change > permissions. > > Can you post the output of: > > ls -la > > ? > > Thanks > Norberto > > yes, I've got a long list of hidden files in my home directory. Is there any way to change permission of the Examples directory in my home directory? From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 18:03:24 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:03:24 +0100 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903151903.24337.kassube@gmx.net> Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 but I get the following error That is because 6.10 AND 7.04 are no longer supported. If you want to upgrade to a supported version it would be 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10 and even 7.10 itself will no longer be supported when 9.04 is available next month. If I were in your situation I would reinstall Ubuntu 8.04 LTS which will be supported until 2011. However if you really want to go the long upgrade way, follow these instructions: Nils From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Mar 15 18:04:19 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:04:19 +0100 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley Benton wrote: > > > No problem I will look for fprot and try again from Ubuntu as soon as I > will have make an image of the hard drive to make sure that I don't make > anything worse (If it can be). > > > > in contrast, I just tested with avg and could not find any options to > handle the virus except announcing, what is infected and deleting any > virus found, possibly after pausing for user input. > > > On my computer it doesn't wait for any input just let me know that I > have files infected and which ones. With AVG 7 (viruses/adware generic > ) avgscan --help, then look for stoplevel and with clamav 10, so I guess no matter what I do the computer won't > be completely clean. So I want to try to reinstall from the i386 as I am > hoping for a change of free virus reinstallation, or at least less > viruses than by only scanning and fixing if possible. sure. Then do yourself a favor, after the system works again, but definitely BEFORE you connect to the Internet: Get these: -Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Network Install for IT Professionals -Update Rollup 1 for Windows 2000 SP4 (KB891861) These are easily available via the MS website and you can download them with Linux Also install a recent Windows Virus Scanner, which you can also download with Linux. Then with all these things installed, the system will have at least a half decent security level that allows you to connect to the Internet and install the rest of the updates from there. I am assuming that you will be using a router setup for updating the system. IMHO using Windows directly connected to the Internet inherently calls for trouble. So should your friend do this, at least ask him to use a router setup with a private network behind the router. And again, while a router setup surely is a good idea with Linux, as well, you might also offer him to use Linux and say a final goodbye to his troubles Eberhard From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 15 15:31:54 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:31:54 -0300 Subject: Help on not being able to deliver mail... ??? References: <49ACFB3C.8030704@charter.net> <49AD5330.2060409@ercbroadband.org> <20090303134617.2a49522f@WizardsTower> <49AD8A7B.3030300@ercbroadband.org> <49B69849.6010508@cmc.net> <1376319.Guac1WkTXP@cedar.serverforest.com> <49BBB368.3010605@cmc.net> <19653649.00q2lcdhAS@cedar.serverforest.com> <49BC30A2.9090803@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1612347.kQ8fRPCCGI@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: >> Final-Recipient: RFC822; <****diw at charter.net> >> Action: failed >> Status: 4.4.0 >> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; <*****wizard at charter.net> > So, it appears that for some reason, the email address I am sending to, > is not the same as the one she is receiving at I don't know why it is > failing to arrive at her main email address, and is instead being > forwarded [evidently] to her secondary address. You might ask her - perhaps she actually has some rule set to do that, and perhaps the latter address is really her preferred address. In which case, you eliminate the issue just by changing your address book :-) -- derek From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:04:58 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:04:58 -0500 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:03:53PM -0500, Chris Mohler wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: >> [...] >> > Could not find platform independent libraries >> > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] >> > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback >> >> OK - this is bad.  I'm not sure if this is the same problem as you had >> originally, but it appears that your python cannot find *any* site >> modules.  Check your permissions: Perms look OK. > In case 'import.os' shoulda been 'import os': Yeah - sorry about that ;) That looks OK too, so maybe I was wrong about python being completely borked. >> As a shot in the dark - do you have plenty of free disk space? > > Yea, basically a new installation: Yeah - I figured that was not it... > This system had been CentOS at one point, then went to 6.06, and now 8.04, so > there may be some buried cruft (I did none of those installations personally). I > had some wierd Apache and php package related issues too (fixed with a > purge/reinstall). I suspect something from the migration from 6.06 -> 8.04 is causing you grief. If this were my server, I'd try to persuade someone at the data center to do a clean install for me - that may be easier in the long run, as opposed to dealing with weirdness here and there. Apt is pretty robust, but I've used it to hose my system too - also with yum and plain old rpm too ;) I'm not sure how far back the apt logs go by default, but it might be worth poking around in there to look for python-related problems in the past. I'm rapidly running out of useful advice though... Chris From jdz99 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:15:53 2009 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:15:53 +0000 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> References: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> Message-ID: I have this processor, http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5M Running 64bit Vista. When I go to install with VirtulBox it says, "This kernel requires n x86-64 CPU, but only detected n i686 CPU. Unable to boot - please use kernel appropite for your CPU" I suspect it's VirtualBox running in 32bit mode. Does anyone think otherwise? Can anyone suggest a free VM that I can run Kubuntu/Ubuntu in 64 bit-mode? Thanks, Jz > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:49:56 -0400 > From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: intel 64 bit version > > Jim Douglas wrote: > > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? 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If you need help there - you might find another forum or mailing list ;) Chris From d_8416 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 18:27:37 2009 From: d_8416 at yahoo.com (Saurabh Singh) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how Message-ID: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> hello sir I have ubuntu 7.04 live cd earlier it was getting updated from the internet but right now it is not getting update sir please tell me what all errors I am committing plz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If this were my server, I'd try to persuade someone at the > data center to do a clean install for me - that may be easier in the > long run, as opposed to dealing with weirdness here and there. > > Apt is pretty robust, but I've used it to hose my system too - also > with yum and plain old rpm too ;) I'm not sure how far back the apt > logs go by default, but it might be worth poking around in there to > look for python-related problems in the past. I'm rapidly running out > of useful advice though... Well, thanks. I am trying to avoid a clean re-install since its just starting to be used now, and all the custom stuff (firewall, backups, Apache, etc) we need to do has already been done. Ironically, that prompted me to want to automate that customization process and why I was playing with bzr to start with. Overall, I love apt, but occasionally its really oddly difficult to start with a clean slate. I may do an apt purge, and then physical hunt and destroy for python pieces. Thanks again. -- Hal From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 15 17:49:11 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49BD3F97.3080809@dinamis.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > I do not understand this fascination with attempting to install things > from the command line, when there is the excellent Synaptic Package > Manager available right there on your menu, which can easily circumvent > the problems you're currently having with your python installation. Copying/pasting what to type in a shell is far easier than writing a description of what to point and click at. Also, it helps to know how to admin a system using a shell for those occasions you need to do it, such as with remote systems or when you have to write scripts. Having said that, using Synaptic, aptitude, or Adept manager is not mutually exclusive with using the command line. If you like using GUI tools, that's fine but the command line isn't inferior in any way and in some cases, it is superior. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wrong again... ;-) Many wrong... ;-) -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby Telephone: +261 33 11 207 36 From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:35:36 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:35:36 -0700 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <359a3c580903151135y43dd07c4u2b65a7f3fbce3413@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jim Douglas wrote: > I have this processor, > > http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5M > > Running 64bit Vista.  When I go to install with VirtulBox it says, More recent versions of VirtualBox will support amd64 cpus in virtualization mode. In order to do that, you also have to enable the appropriate settings on the virtualbox image control panel. AFAICT, VirtualBox should be at least version 2.0.6 (2.1.4 is in jaunty). My main desktop box is a core2quad Q6600 machine, and it does virtualization support (vmx in /proc/cpuinfo) so your hardware should be able to do the necessary virtualization stuff. > Jz -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From raquel at thericehouse.net Sun Mar 15 19:08:27 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:08:27 -0700 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <200903150917.37376.linux@kleinschnitker.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <200903150917.37376.linux@kleinschnitker.com> Message-ID: <20090315120827.942308ae.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:17:36 +0100 Michael Kleinschnitker wrote: > > If you have an new PC including enough RAM, you might use > VirtualBox running Windows and MS Visual Studio in it. It`s a > virtualization software. You should use the original VirtualBox > debs. > > Download: > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads > > Help: > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/End-user_documentation > > Micha > What does one do if one does not have the installation disks for Windows? My laptop came with Vista installed. I created a Vista restore disk, but doesn't VirtualBox require installation disks? -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. --Bernard Berenson From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:12:04 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:04 -0300 Subject: still permissin problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903151102j380d862ew6751b136320f6bf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903151102j380d862ew6751b136320f6bf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151112q21602c98lf527b7707caf6b84@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > yes, I've got a long list of hidden files in my home directory. niceeeee.... I'm supposed to help you with your answer? 1) don't change subject lines 2) when I ask for information from your computer, post the information > Is there any way to change permission of the Examples directory in > my home directory? Maybe... From anothermindbomb at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:20:30 2009 From: anothermindbomb at gmail.com (Steve Flynn) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:20:30 +0000 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BD4CEA.6030904@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49BD4CEA.6030904@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <45391f280903151220v563df410v4b552c0869b8276c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: [snip] > Many wrong... ;-) Really, If you don't have anything constructive to add, then don't post anything. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 15 19:31:35 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:31:35 -0600 Subject: how In-Reply-To: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090315133135.627a99e5@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Saurabh Singh wrote: > hello sir > I have ubuntu 7.04 live cd > earlier it was getting updated from the internet > but right now it is not getting update > sir please tell me what all errors I am committing > plz > > Your version of Ubuntu, 7.04, has expired. You need to upgrade to a newer version. Standard versions have an 18-month life, and 7.04 ended October of 2008. Perhaps it would be better to install 8.04 now, which has a 3 year life, good until August of 2011. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 19:36:11 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:36:11 +0100 Subject: how In-Reply-To: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903152036.11913.kassube@gmx.net> Saurabh Singh wrote: > I have ubuntu 7.04 live cd > earlier it was getting updated from the internet > but right now it is not getting update The problem is that version 7.04 is no longer supported. It would be better to donwload a recent version of Ubuntu like 8.04.2 LTS or 8.10 from . Nils From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 18:37:12 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:37:12 +0100 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200903151937.12358.kassube@gmx.net> Jim Douglas wrote: > Can anyone suggest a free VM that I can run Kubuntu/Ubuntu in 64 > bit-mode? Define "free". If you mean without cost, you could use the PUEL version of VirtualBox. I have version 2.1.0 and I can run 64-Bit Kubuntu as a guest on my 64-Bit machine while the host system is 32-Bit Kubuntu. Nils From tomahadi at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:31:23 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:31:23 +0600 Subject: backup help Message-ID: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without creating the backup file of all the documents again from the ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 Destination: /home/bb/Public Source path: /media/d For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui application? If gui application, what is the name? From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:42:20 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:42:20 -0300 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <20090315120827.942308ae.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <200903150917.37376.linux@kleinschnitker.com> <20090315120827.942308ae.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151242i61964c3frdf189d3f5edd2a5b@mail.gmail.com> > What does one do if one does not have the installation disks for > Windows?  My laptop came with Vista installed.  I created a Vista > restore disk, but doesn't VirtualBox require installation disks? Buy Windows :-) From ugly at frightenstein.com Sun Mar 15 19:36:14 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:36:14 -0400 Subject: removing ubuntu References: <84250c9c0903151024r72f77fcaid847f57d31e221d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006d01c9a5a5$4dfa3580$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norberto Bensa" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: Re: removing ubuntu > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Yelena gorbatyuk > wrote: > > im not very good with > > computers, > > You really should ask someone to help you in person. Installing an > operating system is not a trivial task. Uh - yeah. But I thought the question was REMOVING the operating system. Formatting the hard drive works wonders. Installing - that's another story of course From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sun Mar 15 19:33:00 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:33:00 +0100 Subject: how In-Reply-To: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090315203300.1a7c4a20.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Saurabh Singh wrote: > hello sir > I have ubuntu 7.04 live cd > earlier it was getting updated from the internet > but right now it is not getting update > sir please tell me what all errors I am committing You are not doing anything wrong ;-) What happens is that 7.04 is a almost 2 year old, and Ubuntu releases are supported for 18 months (excpet LTS versions, but 7.04 is not one of them).. 7.04 is now therefore UNsupported, meaning it will not receive any security (or else) updates of any kind. You are therefore encouraged to switch to a newer version of Ubuntu. Ubuntu 9.04 is going to be released very soon (one month or so). -- Vince From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 15 19:26:16 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:26:16 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <20090315183213.GD8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315183213.GD8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <49BD5658.80201@dinamis.com> Hal Burgiss wrote: > Well, thanks. I am trying to avoid a clean re-install since its just > starting to be used now, and all the custom stuff (firewall, backups, > Apache, etc) we need to do has already been done. Ironically, that > prompted me to want to automate that customization process and why I > was playing with bzr to start with. > > Overall, I love apt, but occasionally its really oddly difficult to > start with a clean slate. > > I may do an apt purge, and then physical hunt and destroy for python > pieces. The situation you've described illustrates the problems of ad-hoc system administration and why using configuration management tools like cfengine, puppet, or bcfg are desirable. You should never be in a position where the cost of doing a clean install is so high that you avoid it. Whether you like it or not, eventually you'll be forced to do one anyway when a hard disk fails so you should always be in a position to be able to recover from bare metal to the exact configuration you had before inside an hour. I think you've already recognized this need when you talk about automating the customization process. Kickstart/preseed installations, Cobbler, virtualization, LVM, cfengine, and Subversion are all tools we use to automate system installation, configuration management, and recovery. By the way, removing/installing Python may not solve your problem. You should be able to run any number of versions of Python and Python packages on your system, if you understand how to set PYTHONPATH. For instance, sometimes we need to deploy a Django application with a specific version of Django that is different than the global one that we've deployed in site-packages. In that case, we just check out the specific version of Django into some sensible place, like the directory containing the Django application, and adjust PYTHONPATH accordingly. Here is a real example of a shell script from one of our projects. cilkay at saturn:~/projects/ccf$ cat paths.sh export PYTHONPATH=/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/django_0.96.3:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/lib/ In that project, for various reasons that aren't germane to this discussion, we have a dependency on Django 0.96.3 as opposed to the latest official release 1.0.2, which is available globally by virtue of being in site-packages. We override the global default by running "source paths.sh" in the shell before we run the Django development server. We also put the ccf project and some utility libraries into the PYTHONPATH so that we can import and use the modules within those directories without problems. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When many > people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > You just need to insert your Windows XP CD and be sure that you can boot/load it when your computer turns on. more help here: http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_xp_pro.htm good luck. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:23:17 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:23:17 -0600 Subject: how In-Reply-To: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <319853.58747.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Saurabh Singh wrote: > hello sir > I have ubuntu 7.04 live cd > earlier it was getting updated from the internet > but right now it is not getting update > sir please tell me what all errors I am committing > plz > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Please don't use html on your emails sent to the list. What do you mean you can't update anymore? have you tried using the console using these commands? sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade please explain yourself a little bit more. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ugly at frightenstein.com Sun Mar 15 19:54:33 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:54:33 -0400 Subject: removing ubuntu References: <84250c9c0903151024r72f77fcaid847f57d31e221d7@mail.gmail.com> <006d01c9a5a5$4dfa3580$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> <84250c9c0903151247o497c9507rc5c0b0b277d3d7a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007b01c9a5a7$dd025990$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ugly Me wrote: > > From: "Norberto Bensa" > >> wrote: > >> > im not very good with > >> > computers, > >> > >> You really should ask someone to help you in person. Installing an > >> operating system is not a trivial task. > > > > Uh - yeah. But I thought the question was REMOVING the operating system. > > She will remove Ubuntu once Windows partitions and formats the drive. > She doesn't know that, so she needs helps from someone IN person. THAT much makes sense. I've always found talking to someone face to face much easier than by email - or worse - tech support. That's why we can only do so much. I think I've only installed Ubuntu once. But when I have more energy I'm going to back up all this Win2K crap once and for all and install Ubuntu. (Or Slackware to reflect my SubGenius heritage.) Which makes me think of my own dumb question. I have yet to find an Edubuntu CD. Am I correct in assuming - from what I've read - that I have to install Ubuntu, then install an Edubuntu upgrade, that I can't do it in just one step? From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 15 19:56:50 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:56:50 -0600 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <1237139742.8640.239.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090315135650.246beecb@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:50:30 -0600 Victor Padro wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Mario Vukelic > wrote: > > > On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:31 +0000, Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 > > > > Both 6.10 and 7.04 have reached End-of-life: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > > > There might be feasible ways to upgrade, but you will be much > > better off by backing up your data and reinstalling a > > currently-supported version. Probably best to use 8.04.2 LTS from > > here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > > Just wondering...if you could download the 8.xx alternate CD and run > it in ubuntu 6.10 perhaps it will let you upgrade, if not, well as > others said back up and reinstall. > > that worked for me using 7.04...or was it 7.10, can't remember. :( > I think that would have worked for 7.10 to upgrade to 8.04, which is a supported upgrade. 6.10 or 7.04 to 8.04 will give lots of issues for most people. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From vpadro at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:57:09 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:57:09 -0600 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151242i61964c3frdf189d3f5edd2a5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <200903150917.37376.linux@kleinschnitker.com> <20090315120827.942308ae.raquel@thericehouse.net> <84250c9c0903151242i61964c3frdf189d3f5edd2a5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > > What does one do if one does not have the installation disks for > > Windows? > You will have to get a copy, from your local computer reseller, from the internet maybe? > My laptop came with Vista installed. I created a Vista > > restore disk, but doesn't VirtualBox require installation disks? > yes it does... > > Buy Windows :-) > Sad but true... > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 15 19:39:53 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:39:53 -0600 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090315133953.08426d22@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:54 -0600 James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says > the computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case > because the computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that > power laptop power cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same > process occurs inside the power supply of a desktop and thus the > actual computer never sees anything but DC power. > > I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read "External > Power" and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as precise as we > can be without actually being incorrect in some occasions. > > I appreciate that this is quite a cosmetic request, however I think > it could help remove a misleading concept that could lead to people > misunderstanding what they're doing. > > I already submitted this as a bug, but I was told to instead comment > on this here. > > Anyway, have fun, keep up the great work & cheers! I would think the term "AC Power" should mean you are physically attached to something that produces AC power. DC power would mean you are not attached to anything to use the computer. You can not, for example, plug that AC adapter plug into a DC power generator, and expect it to work. It would probably damage it. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:47:45 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:47:45 -0300 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <006d01c9a5a5$4dfa3580$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> References: <84250c9c0903151024r72f77fcaid847f57d31e221d7@mail.gmail.com> <006d01c9a5a5$4dfa3580$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151247o497c9507rc5c0b0b277d3d7a3@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ugly Me wrote: > From: "Norberto Bensa" >> wrote: >> > im not very good with >> > computers, >> >> You really should ask someone to help you in person. Installing an >> operating system is not a trivial task. > > Uh - yeah. But I thought the question was REMOVING the operating system. She will remove Ubuntu once Windows partitions and formats the drive. She doesn't know that, so she needs helps from someone IN person. From ugly at frightenstein.com Sun Mar 15 19:35:01 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:35:01 -0400 Subject: removing ubuntu References: Message-ID: <006301c9a5a5$2223d3d0$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Yelena gorbatyuk To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:14 AM Subject: removing ubuntu Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... Thanks for your help, Yelena A good format of the hard drive may do the trick. Of course you do need an operating system to boot into for this purpose. Try a Linux or MS/PC-DOS boot disk. Naturally others will have better ideas, but that's a quick and dirty method that usually works in a pinch. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 15 20:36:12 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:36:12 +0100 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: <20090315133953.08426d22@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090315133953.08426d22@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <200903152136.12714.kassube@gmx.net> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:54 -0600 > James T Snell wrote: > > I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read > > "External Power" and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as > > precise as we can be without actually being incorrect in some > > occasions. > > I would think the term "AC Power" should mean you are physically > attached to something that produces AC power. DC power would mean you > are not attached to anything to use the computer. You can not, for > example, plug that AC adapter plug into a DC power generator, and > expect it to work. It would probably damage it. Well, you might use a car adapter for the computer to get power from the car battery which is DC, not AC. So I think the term external power is better than AC power. Nils From cy41169 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 16:42:29 2009 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com (Charlie Dorff) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ubuntu not working properly on netbook Message-ID: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello. I have an Acer Aspire 1 net book (excuse spelling). It has 1 gig RAM, a 120 gig solid state drive and a 1.6 gigahertz processor. I have installed Ubuntu 9.4 Alpha 6 on it. I am having problems with sound and the wireless don’t work properly. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this? Thanks in advance for any help/advice Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elbastos at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 20:46:20 2009 From: elbastos at gmail.com (Eduardo Bastos) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:46:20 -0300 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <772c445c0903151346h612ac5aan7f927d758c0399bc@mail.gmail.com> James, You are receiving the power from an AC outlet. So, for me it's ok to have the label 'AC power' in the Power Manager. I think change the name to Internal/External Power only will get things confusing for users. Regards, Eduardo Basos On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the > computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because the > computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop power > cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs inside the > power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never sees anything > but DC power. > > I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read "External > Power" and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as precise as we can be > without actually being incorrect in some occasions. > > I appreciate that this is quite a cosmetic request, however I think it > could help remove a misleading concept that could lead to people > misunderstanding what they're doing. > > I already submitted this as a bug, but I was told to instead comment on > this here. > > Anyway, have fun, keep up the great work & cheers! > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In order to do that, you also have to enable the > appropriate settings on the virtualbox image control panel. > > AFAICT, VirtualBox should be at least version 2.0.6 (2.1.4 is in jaunty). > > My main desktop box is a core2quad Q6600 machine, and it does > virtualization support (vmx in /proc/cpuinfo) so your hardware should > be able to do the necessary virtualization stuff. > > > > > > Jz > > > -- > thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > This is an ubuntu mailing list, not a microsoft list. neither way here are some tips... Intel Core 2 Quad 8200 does not support virtualization extensions see here: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2quad.htm you should download and use virtualbox for windows x64 version, you can find it here: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.1.4/VirtualBox-2.1.4-42893-Win_amd64.msi another alternative is VMWare Server, which runs on i386 and x64 hosts(linux, windows) you can find it here: http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ that's much pretty it for free virtualization software which can be run from windows. running virtualization software from Linux there are little more alternatives: Xen OpenVZ Virtualbox VMWare Server KVM -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elbastos at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 20:52:13 2009 From: elbastos at gmail.com (Eduardo Bastos) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:52:13 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu not working properly on netbook In-Reply-To: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <772c445c0903151352n696ec7d1pdd73d07edbcdfeb@mail.gmail.com> Charlie, I suggest you installing Ubuntu 8.10, a stable version, instead of Ubuntu 9.4, an alpha version. Regards, Eduardo Bastos On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Charlie Dorff wrote: > Hello. I have an Acer Aspire 1 net book (excuse spelling). It has 1 gig > RAM, a 120 gig solid state drive and a 1.6 gigahertz processor. I have > installed Ubuntu 9.4 Alpha 6 on it. I am having problems with sound and the > wireless don’t work properly. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help/advice > > > > Charlie > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cy41169 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:34:20 2009 From: cy41169 at yahoo.com (Charlie Dorff) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ububtu not working properly on netbook Message-ID: <140602.57924.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello. I have an Acer Aspire 1 net book (excuse spelling). It has 1 gig RAM, a 120 gig solid state drive and a 1.6 gigahertz processor. I have installed Ubuntu 9.4 Alpha 6 on it. I am having problems with sound and the wireless don’t work properly. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this? 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Larsen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:28:12 -0600 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <1237139742.8640.239.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BD72EC.7030104@gmail.com> Victor Padro wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Mario Vukelic > wrote: > > >> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 11:31 +0000, Lorcan O'Neill wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 >>> >> Both 6.10 and 7.04 have reached End-of-life: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases >> >> There might be feasible ways to upgrade, but you will be much better off >> by backing up your data and reinstalling a currently-supported version. >> Probably best to use 8.04.2 LTS from here: >> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> > > > Just wondering...if you could download the 8.xx alternate CD and run it in > ubuntu 6.10 perhaps it will let you upgrade, if not, well as others said > back up and reinstall. > > that worked for me using 7.04...or was it 7.10, can't remember. :( > > Please give up on an upgrade. You do need to come up to a more recent version of Ubuntu. I suggest at least to Hardy. Load this version along side of your 6.1 and give it a big partition, at least 5 GB. Once the Hardy is fully updated, consider mounting the /home/ from your 6.1 version onto your Hardy. This is quite easy to do. In this way you have all your old stuff on your new computer. All you need to do is mount the /home/ with your fstab file. Here is my fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/sda6 UUID=8713c541-dffa-4fd2-b22b-e600afacbab2 / ext3 relatime,error s=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/sda3 UUID=77cb374a-6349-427e-9b57-ea6776f4a52d none swap sw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 # /dev/sda5 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 UUID=40cb6175-3c6e-4a7f-ae57-083cccbbba63 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 The last entry is the one that mounts my /home/ directory. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From hdf3 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 21:55:15 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:55:15 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? Message-ID: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> I have configured a 10TB raid-5 array. When I attempt to build a file system on it, it always comes out with a size of 2TB. Is there kernel built to only support small file systems? Is there a different kernel I should load? don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 22:00:11 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:00:11 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu not working properly on netbook In-Reply-To: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BD7A6B.10003@yahoo.com> Charlie Dorff wrote: > > Hello. I have an Acer Aspire 1 net book (excuse spelling). It has 1 > gig RAM, a 120 gig solid state drive and a 1.6 gigahertz processor. I > have installed Ubuntu 9.4 Alpha 6 on it. I am having problems with > sound and the wireless don’t work properly. Does anyone know if there > is a fix for this? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help/advice > > > > Charlie > > > Have you tried running 8.10? Does it have the same problems or does it work properly. If the problem is new to 9.04 then you should probably file a bug report and decide if 9.04 if usable for you. If you have the same problems with 8.10 then look for people who have gotten it to work. (There might already be a bug report.) I bet that there are fixes for 8.10 out there and if those work you could try them on 9.04 and see if those get you up and running. Hope this helps. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 21:57:40 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:40 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <49BD5658.80201@dinamis.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315183213.GD8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BD5658.80201@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <962301c30903151457w5e1266d9l1e989123e40e173@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Overall, I love apt, but occasionally its really oddly difficult to >> start with a clean slate. >> >> I may do an apt purge, and then physical hunt and destroy for python >> pieces. > > The situation you've described illustrates the problems of ad-hoc system > administration and why using configuration management tools like > cfengine, puppet, or bcfg are desirable. You should never be in a > position where the cost of doing a clean install is so high that you > avoid it. Thanks for the input. I'll check some of these out. In theory. The history here is that this hardware would consistently crash during an 8.04 installation. For some reason, 6.06 worked. So to get 8.04 on it, we did a 6.0.6 install first, and then upgraded up to 8.04. I probably will be in the same boat again, and I might be right where I am now if Chris's suspicions are correct. > Kickstart/preseed installations, Cobbler, virtualization, LVM, cfengine, > and Subversion are all tools we use to automate system installation, > configuration management, and recovery. If I get bzr working, it will do about 90% of what I want on a new server, plus distribute updates to various other servers. I'll look at these other tools to see if they fit with our work flow. I toyed with svn for this, but just like bzr better. Setting up new servers is not something we do on a regular basis. We did maybe 3 last year. > By the way, removing/installing Python may not solve your problem. You I realize there might be other system stuff broken effecting python. > should be able to run any number of versions of Python and Python > packages on your system, if you understand how to set PYTHONPATH. For > instance, sometimes we need to deploy a Django application with a > specific version of Django that is different than the global one that > we've deployed in site-packages. In that case, we just check out the > specific version of Django into some sensible place, like the directory > containing the Django application, and adjust PYTHONPATH accordingly. > Here is a real example of a shell script from one of our projects. > > cilkay at saturn:~/projects/ccf$ cat paths.sh > export > PYTHONPATH=/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/django_0.96.3:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/lib/ > Any ideas on how I should set that for a default out of the box 8.04 installation? I'll try almost anything now. Thanks! -- Hal From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 22:06:49 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:06:49 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM, don fisher wrote: > I have configured a 10TB raid-5 array. When I attempt to build a file > system on it, it always comes out with a size of 2TB. What filesystem are you using? http://www.inthelight.co.nz/techo/pcfilesystem.htm From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 15 22:16:59 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:16:59 +0000 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <49BD7E5B.7050505@tiscali.co.uk> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Wulfy wrote: > >> My old printer died on me... so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer >> assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver... alas, no such luck. >> >> I was encouraged when the print manager showed the new printer and even >> got its type tight! When I asked it to print a test page, the lights >> flashed and the rollers whirred, but no paper went through and no >> printing... :@( >> >> The driver was for the iP2000 series (I have an iP12500) so I thought >> > > Did you mean ip2500? Try looking this over: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=592685 > > Not for the faint of heart, and you may also have to look into > creating a chroot to run alien in since your arch is different. Note > that RPM files are just archives - you can right-click them to extract > the contents. > > HTH > Chris > > Thanks, Chris. Normally I only install debs so the package manager can look after updates and such, but I need this driver or I have a nice black shiny paper-weight! I'm not shy about using the Konsole and compiling but a chroot has never really made any sense to me. I don't think I could pull that off... :@( The .src package seems to have everything the .i386 packages have but not compiled. I was wondering if the scripts could be tweaked to use the compiler I have and give me a 64-bit solution? I haven't checked all the folders but the ones I have looked in seem to have .c anf .h files in so should be compilable in a 64-bit environment. Would this involve only changing the targets from i386 to amd64? The only thing I can think of that may be a problem is if there's some assembler level programming... Thanks again for your help. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From rev.olson at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 22:20:10 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:20:10 -0700 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903151520.17325.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Friday 13 March 2009 11:58:54 am James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the > computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because the > computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop power > cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs inside the > power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never sees anything > but DC power. The main question is, "Does your power come from an AC source or battery pack?" Battery power tends to drain the battery till it is dead or so low the computer does not run any more. AC on the other hand provides a constant power source to the transformer so the computer will run as long as it is plugged in. Computers do only run on DC, that is true, However, both my desktop (1500 watt APC) and laptop have battery backup in case there is no AC so I would contend that it is correctly named. Can either of them run without a battery? Yes, both of them can! But only if power is supplied from another source. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From hal at burgiss.net Sun Mar 15 22:42:03 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:42:03 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <962301c30903151457w5e1266d9l1e989123e40e173@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315183213.GD8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BD5658.80201@dinamis.com> <962301c30903151457w5e1266d9l1e989123e40e173@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <962301c30903151542ic43461cv9f2db2f3643ae18b@mail.gmail.com> As a follow up for anyone following this, I just uninstalled +purged every python related package I could find. There was some stuff left in /usr/lib/python2*, so I manually wiped those. As a side note there are some curious dependencies. Everytime I uninstall python, I loose vim, postfix, mailx and mlocate (and I hope that I found all of that kind of thing!). I then started re-installing. This went well, no error messages, which was promising. Before just re-installing some of this stuff would generate those wierd error messages. I then tried the same bzr checkout as before and got the same steenkin' error! I noticed though that the checkout makes it through a handful of files and always craps out at the exact same point, a bash script. I started thinking this is odd that we get part way into this and python complains about loading a module mid-stream. So I removed that one file from bzr repository on the mother ship, did a commit, wiped the previous checkout, and redid it. And it worked! Not sure why but it went without error. So I am thinking maybe the repository was ~corrupt this whole time and that's what started a trail of headaches and not the python installtion on the offending system. But then again, I did a checkout on a different 8.04 installation Friday, and had no trouble whatsoever. Curious. I am new at bzr and I guess I could have done something really stupid somewhere along the line. Any thoughts? -- Hal From marcumbill at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 15 23:09:14 2009 From: marcumbill at bellsouth.net (Bill Marcum) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Problem Mounting JFS in -o rw for all users References: <554288.19672.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2009-03-15, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > Hi, > > I am having difficulty mounting a JFS partition so that all users can have > read and write permission on it. > > The partition in question is on a RAID 0 array spanning 2 physical > disks (more than 1 TB in size), but this should not be an issue as > root is able to read and write to the partition with no problems. > > However, trying to mount the partition with '-o rw, users' option > still does not allow other (non-root) users to write to the partition. > > Am I missing something obvious here? > After you mount the partition, do chmod 777 or whatever permissions you want, or create directories for each user with the appropriate permissions. From squareyes at internode.on.net Sun Mar 15 23:11:56 2009 From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:41:56 +1030 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD8B3C.6040402@internode.on.net> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Yelena gorbatyuk >> wrote: >> >>> Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good with >>> computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on the >>> computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from what >>> i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and forth... ? >>> I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... >>> Thanks for your help, >>> Yelena >>> >> 1. Back up anything you would like to keep from Ubuntu >> 2. Install XP from CD >> > > And by "install from CD", I mean: put the CD in the drive, and reboot > from the Windows XP disc, follow the instructions. If you need help > there - you might find another forum or mailing list ;) > > Chris > > Hi Yelena, you may have to format the drive to the Windows file system (ntfs), I have found that the Windows CD can pop up an error, "No Hard Drive Found", if hard drive has been formatted to the Linux file system. You can do this with the Live Ubuntu CD, or GParted Live CD , you can download that free from http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ Would be a very good idea to get some help with this. Take Care Winton From hdf3 at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 23:12:45 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:12:45 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> I have tried both ext3 and xfs. I built an 5.2TB xfs partition on my last system. Fsck says the partition is: Disk /dev/sda: 10499.9 GB, 10499923116032 bytes don Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM, don fisher wrote: >> I have configured a 10TB raid-5 array. When I attempt to build a file >> system on it, it always comes out with a size of 2TB. > > What filesystem are you using? > > http://www.inthelight.co.nz/techo/pcfilesystem.htm > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 15 22:33:17 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:33:17 -0400 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <962301c30903151457w5e1266d9l1e989123e40e173@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315172418.GC8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315183213.GD8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BD5658.80201@dinamis.com> <962301c30903151457w5e1266d9l1e989123e40e173@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BD822D.3020207@dinamis.com> Hal Burgiss wrote: > In theory. The history here is that this hardware would consistently > crash during an 8.04 installation. For some reason, 6.06 worked. So to > get 8.04 on it, we did a 6.0.6 install first, and then upgraded up to > 8.04. I probably will be in the same boat again, and I might be right > where I am now if Chris's suspicions are correct. I would be very wary of having to do such a workaround. That isn't normal. >> Kickstart/preseed installations, Cobbler, virtualization, LVM, cfengine, >> and Subversion are all tools we use to automate system installation, >> configuration management, and recovery. > > If I get bzr working, it will do about 90% of what I want on a new > server, plus distribute updates to various other servers. I'll look at > these other tools to see if they fit with our work flow. I toyed with > svn for this, but just like bzr better. Setting up new servers is not > something we do on a regular basis. We did maybe 3 last year. We use Subversion to keep cfengine configuration files under revision control. Substitute whatever version control system you prefer for Subversion. It doesn't change the concept. A version control system is only one part of the configuration management equation. Here is a reference . >> By the way, removing/installing Python may not solve your problem. You > > I realize there might be other system stuff broken effecting python. > >> should be able to run any number of versions of Python and Python >> packages on your system, if you understand how to set PYTHONPATH. For >> instance, sometimes we need to deploy a Django application with a >> specific version of Django that is different than the global one that >> we've deployed in site-packages. In that case, we just check out the >> specific version of Django into some sensible place, like the directory >> containing the Django application, and adjust PYTHONPATH accordingly. >> Here is a real example of a shell script from one of our projects. >> >> cilkay at saturn:~/projects/ccf$ cat paths.sh >> export >> PYTHONPATH=/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/django_0.96.3:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/:/home/cilkay/projects/ccf/lib/ >> > > Any ideas on how I should set that for a default out of the box 8.04 > installation? I'll try almost anything now. You don't have to set anything for a default installation, but you don't have a default installation. You might want to read and to understand how Python searches for modules. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have a .config to check right now. Take a look at /boot/config* Perhaps you'll like to check server kernels or compile you're own kernels with LFS. If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. HTH, Norberto From nbensa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 23:46:09 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:46:09 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. Oh. I've found this: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html So you need to tell mkfs.ext to use 8KB blocks mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 should give you a 16TB filesystem From weixuanli at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 00:04:38 2009 From: weixuanli at hotmail.com (Weixuan Li) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:04:38 +0000 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any change to my computer, check CD for defects, memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? 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Fsck says the partition is: >> >> Disk /dev/sda: 10499.9 GB, 10499923116032 bytes > > Please don't top post: > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette > > What kernel are you using? I'm not sure, but if you're using desktop > kernels, maybe (_maybe_) those are not compiled with LFS (large file > support). I don't have a .config to check right now. Take a look at > /boot/config* > > Perhaps you'll like to check server kernels or compile you're own > kernels with LFS. > > If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. > > HTH, > Norberto > I will do that. But I am curious. Do you know why that is termed "proper etiquette"? The mail reader I use, Thunderbird, opens an email at the top. Is is a bit annoying have to scroll to the end to find the reply. don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From markir at paradise.net.nz Mon Mar 16 00:34:17 2009 From: markir at paradise.net.nz (Mark Kirkwood) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:34:17 +1300 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BD9E89.9020701@paradise.net.nz> Weixuan Li wrote: > Hi all, > I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310. > I intend to make it dual-boot. > I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB of > unallocated space. > I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the menu comes > up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any change to > my computer, check CD for defects, memory test, etc.). > I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops > whirring. > Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix this problem so that > I can install Ubuntu? To rule out media and hardware problems, I'd recommend you do these steps: 1/ Check CD for defects 2/ Memory test 3/ Use Ubuntu w/o any change to my computer and let us know how they went. Cheers Mark From thilts at mcsnet.ca Sun Mar 15 22:38:59 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:38:59 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Networking and USB Message-ID: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> Can a usb connected external (1) IDE drive, (2) SATA drive, or (3) FLASH memory card be set up to be a share (let's say on machine A) on the local LAN network and therefore accessible to read, write, and executeable operations by other machines on that network (let's say on machines B, C, and D) also providing their shares? I am trying to make some buying decisions. Several years ago I connected via USB an external IDE hard drive to one of my LAN machines. I could move data between this external drive and the other drives in the local machine but I could not access the USB connected external IDE drive by any of the other LAN machines. In addition, the external drive required that I conform to some kind of management software -- in other words I could not use the command line in order to use the disk. So I returned it to the store. Since that time I have noticed on the lists that many people are using SATA drives as part of (I think) LVM where that LVM acts as a virtual drive made up of one or many physical drives some on other machines. I realize that a virtual drive is not the same as shares (which is what I am currently questioning). The local gurus in my part of the pasture don't have answers to any of these questions. Hope someone on the list has some experience and time to address my questions. You may encounter delays in my response because my usual mail server crashed and is in the hospital so I quickly put together a substitute but missing all the filers so for the time being I have to look through about 15 large email categories just to find your reply. Thanks -- Ted From weixuanli at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:09:22 2009 From: weixuanli at hotmail.com (Weixuan Li) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:09:22 +0000 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BD9E89.9020701@paradise.net.nz> References: <49BD9E89.9020701@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: 1/ Check CD for defects - comes up with a lot of technical jargon which i don't understand 2/ Memory test - black screen3/ Use Ubuntu w/o any change to my computer - same result(black screen and the blinker cursor up in the top left hand corner) I also tried installing it in windows(an option that comes up when you insert the CD while in Vista) and it installed. I rebooted and it allowed me to choose between booting from Vista or Ubuntu. I selected Ubuntu and pressed enter...it went to the black screen again.Cheers,Weixuan > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:34:17 +1300 > From: markir at paradise.net.nz > Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Weixuan Li wrote: >> Hi all, >> I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310. >> I intend to make it dual-boot. >> I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB of >> unallocated space. >> I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the menu comes >> up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any change to >> my computer, check CD for defects, memory test, etc.). >> I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops >> whirring. >> Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix this problem so that >> I can install Ubuntu? > To rule out media and hardware problems, I'd recommend you do these steps: > > 1/ Check CD for defects > 2/ Memory test > 3/ Use Ubuntu w/o any change to my computer > > and let us know how they went. > > Cheers > > Mark > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? 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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:40:30 -0600 Subject: Re: intel 64 bit version From: vpadro at gmail.com To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM, David Fox wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jim Douglas wrote: > I have this processor, > > http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5M > > Running 64bit Vista. When I go to install with VirtulBox it says, More recent versions of VirtualBox will support amd64 cpus in virtualization mode. In order to do that, you also have to enable the appropriate settings on the virtualbox image control panel. AFAICT, VirtualBox should be at least version 2.0.6 (2.1.4 is in jaunty). My main desktop box is a core2quad Q6600 machine, and it does virtualization support (vmx in /proc/cpuinfo) so your hardware should be able to do the necessary virtualization stuff. > Jz -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users This is an ubuntu mailing list, not a microsoft list. neither way here are some tips... Intel Core 2 Quad 8200 does not support virtualization extensions see here: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2quad.htm you should download and use virtualbox for windows x64 version, you can find it here: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.1.4/VirtualBox-2.1.4-42893-Win_amd64.msi another alternative is VMWare Server, which runs on i386 and x64 hosts(linux, windows) you can find it here: http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ that's much pretty it for free virtualization software which can be run from windows. running virtualization software from Linux there are little more alternatives: Xen OpenVZ Virtualbox VMWare Server KVM -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:17:50 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:17:50 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu not working properly on netbook In-Reply-To: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <24690.2676.qm@web110309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Charlie Dorff wrote: > Hello. I have an Acer Aspire 1 net book (excuse spelling). It has 1 gig RAM, > a 120 gig solid state drive and a 1.6 gigahertz processor. I have installed > Ubuntu 9.4 Alpha 6 on it. I am having problems with sound and the wireless > don’t work properly. Does anyone know if there is a fix for this? Hi Charlie I have an Aspire One. Check out the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne community docs. I'm still running 8.04 lts for other reasons, and can tell you that it has sound issues as well. You may want to consider easy peasy http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ - I have not yet tried it, but it may be a better solution, and is based on 8.10 Google has tons of info on these machines. Brian From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:37:35 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:37:35 -0300 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BD9E89.9020701@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151837o6317f1d2y16b9b077c3f09079@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Weixuan Li wrote: > 1/ Check CD for defects  - comes up with a lot of technical jargon which i > don't understand Can you be more specific? What is the "technical jargon"? From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:33:09 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:33:09 -0300 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Networking and USB In-Reply-To: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> References: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151833y2198235cjf08bf82e2cef9c29@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: > Can a usb connected external (1) IDE drive, (2) SATA drive, or (3) FLASH > memory card be set up to be a share (let's say on machine A) on the > local LAN network and therefore accessible to read, write, and > executeable operations by other machines on that network (let's say on > machines B, C, and D) also providing their shares? Yes. You mount the drive somewhere and share it thru samba, nfs, etc. From vpadro at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:43:38 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:43:38 -0600 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: <49BBB604.4070203@gatech.edu> <359a3c580903151135y43dd07c4u2b65a7f3fbce3413@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Jim Douglas wrote: > I reinstalled the 64bit AMD version or VirtualBox. > > Is this a VirtualBox setting or a Windows Vista setting? > > > What do you mean for a virtualbox' setting? There are applications made to be run under windows/linux 32bit and windows/linux 64 bit, 32bit apps could be run under 64bit enviroment but not the other way around. maybe you installed virtualbox 32bit version as you stated, and AFAIK ubuntu or kubuntu amd64 cannot be run under that but under vmware workstation/server you can, you just need your mainboard and processor to be 64bit capable(AMD64, Intel 64) And please don't top post. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:40:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: intel 64 bit version > From: vpadro at gmail.com > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM, David Fox wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jim Douglas wrote: > > I have this processor, > > > > http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5M > > > > Running 64bit Vista. When I go to install with VirtulBox it says, > > More recent versions of VirtualBox will support amd64 cpus in > virtualization mode. In order to do that, you also have to enable the > appropriate settings on the virtualbox image control panel. > > AFAICT, VirtualBox should be at least version 2.0.6 (2.1.4 is in jaunty). > > My main desktop box is a core2quad Q6600 machine, and it does > virtualization support (vmx in /proc/cpuinfo) so your hardware should > be able to do the necessary virtualization stuff. > > > > > > Jz > > > -- > thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > This is an ubuntu mailing list, not a microsoft list. > > neither way here are some tips... > > Intel Core 2 Quad 8200 does not support virtualization extensions see here: > http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2quad.htm > > you should download and use virtualbox for windows x64 version, you can > find it here: > > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.1.4/VirtualBox-2.1.4-42893-Win_amd64.msi > > another alternative is VMWare Server, which runs on i386 and x64 > hosts(linux, windows) you can find it here: > http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ > > that's much pretty it for free virtualization software which can be run > from windows. > > running virtualization software from Linux there are little more > alternatives: > > Xen > OpenVZ > Virtualbox > VMWare Server > KVM > > > -- > "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." > > "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente > servidas" > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out > more. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 16 02:13:29 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:13:29 -0400 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: >> If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. > > Oh. I've found this: > > http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html > > So you need to tell mkfs.ext to use 8KB blocks As that page says, 8KB blocks are only available on Alpha, which I doubt Don has. > mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 should give you a 16TB filesystem 4096 bytes is 4 KB. Luckily, that is sufficient for a 10 TB filesystem (max of 16 TB with that option). Matt Flaschen From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 02:52:29 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:52:29 +1000 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Yelna On Saturday 14 March 2009 17:14:34 Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good > with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on > the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from > what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and > forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... > > Thanks for your help, > > Yelena > The simplest way would be to just install windows from the cd and choose to use the entire disk. That'll effectively wipe ubuntu and grub from your drive James From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 00:53:15 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:53:15 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151753i33081188gc6eb6d65e2c9984d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM, don fisher wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> Please don't top post: >> > I will do that. But I am curious. Do you know why that is termed "proper > etiquette"? It keeps the natural flow of the conversation. It's easier to read archives is replies follow questions and not the other way around. Think of it as helping others, not yourself. > The mail reader I use, Thunderbird, opens an email at the > top. Is is a bit annoying have to scroll to the end to find the reply. Then you need to correctly configure your email client, and if it can't be configured, consider it broken. Regards, Norberto From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 00:59:04 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:59:04 -0300 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84250c9c0903151759n773ec14bx3c9a428135cc8bd6@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Weixuan Li wrote: > I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops > whirring. Press F6 while the CD shows the splash screen and then add: vga=773, press enter and see if it helps From vpadro at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 03:34:40 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:34:40 -0600 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151759n773ec14bx3c9a428135cc8bd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903151759n773ec14bx3c9a428135cc8bd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Weixuan Li wrote: > > I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops > > whirring. > > Press F6 while the CD shows the splash screen and then add: vga=773, > press enter and see if it helps > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > what version are you using? Try using an alternate cd -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 15 20:36:52 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:36:52 -0300 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms References: Message-ID: <5183101.ULm7kxntzO@cedar.serverforest.com> James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the > computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because > the computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop > power cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs > inside the power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never > sees anything but DC power. > > I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read "External > Power" and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as precise as we can > be without actually being incorrect in some occasions. Why would we want to be _precise_ at the expense of clarity? It's true that the external power source _could_ be DC - but only for someone who knew what they were doing well enough to not be confused. For most people "AC" doesn't even mean "alternating current", it means "plugged into the wall". > I already submitted this as a bug, but I was told to instead comment on > this here. Would you please post the bug link? I don't think it's a valid bug, but I consider _telling_ you to post here is a mean-spirited way of saying "we're not going to do anything about it", because the people who actually work on bugs don't give a fig what anybody says here. -- derek From cbakalian at copper.net Sun Mar 15 23:06:52 2009 From: cbakalian at copper.net (Craig Bakalian) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:06:52 -0400 Subject: Modem on Presario 2100 and i386 questions Message-ID: <8691AC59-E057-44E1-8929-E2BB84A5A20C@copper.net> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu on a Compaq Presario 2100. Ubuntu network manager cannot get the ALi Corparation M5457 AC '97 Modem Controller. I did the scan modem download thing, and I really see no point to attempting to get a driver to run the internal modem. So, is there a reliable and inexpensive external modem out there that I could serial or usb port to that is compatible with Ubuntu 8.04. Also, what is the deal with i386 and all of the applications that are not compatible. I just don't get why i386 computers are not supported for so many interesting applications, especially development tools, because I am a Objective C programmer (Mac OS X). Anybody privy to why there is little support for i386 motherboards? Also, I am buying my son a bran spanking new HP desktop (something with an intel core duo) for his birthday. When I install Ubuntu on it am I going to get the same lack of support for i386 and modems? Craig Bakalian 560 Keswick Drive Yardley, PA 19067 215-428-0856 cbakalian at copper.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:21:00 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:21:00 -0400 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:58 PM, James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the > computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because the > computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop power > cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs inside the > power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never sees anything > but DC power. > > I'd suggest renaming the terms in the Power Manager to read "External Power" > and "Internal Power" - I think this is about as precise as we can be without > actually being incorrect in some occasions. And what about a unit with an add on power pack? or a docking station? or? While you are technically correct, I think you're splitting electrons here. Everyone knows what AC power is referring too - and it takes up less space on the panel. Brian From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 16 04:25:30 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:25:30 -0700 Subject: Python error interpretation In-Reply-To: <49BD3F97.3080809@dinamis.com> References: <20090314135702.GK15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <877i2st4cp.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <20090315011838.GR15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090315021525.GS15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <49BC9FBA.60106@cmc.net> <49BD3F97.3080809@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49BDD4BA.6000706@cmc.net> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> I do not understand this fascination with attempting to install things >> from the command line, when there is the excellent Synaptic Package >> Manager available right there on your menu, which can easily circumvent >> the problems you're currently having with your python installation. >> > > Copying/pasting what to type in a shell is far easier than writing a > description of what to point and click at. Also, it helps to know how to > admin a system using a shell for those occasions you need to do it, such > as with remote systems or when you have to write scripts. Having said > that, using Synaptic, aptitude, or Adept manager is not mutually > exclusive with using the command line. If you like using GUI tools, > that's fine but the command line isn't inferior in any way and in some > cases, it is superior. > Maybe I'm not remembering right, but I'm pretty sure I was acknowledging that yesterday in one of my posts. Maybe it was on another list, as I read a bunch of them. 8-) Yes, the command line just proved very useful to me yesterday as a matter of fact. I recently borked my xorg.cong by incautiously adding a video mode that wouldn't work. After a day of tweaking things to get my nvidia video card recognized again, and re-establishing all of my Compiz settings to the way I like them again, all seemed well. But! when I got up the next morning,and booted my computer, I was greeted by a system with no menus whatsoever in evidence, no menu panels, nothing! The only change I had made the day before had stuck except for the video resolution, and my menus were all gone. I don't know what I changed the day before which caused that! So... I did an ALT-F2, and it worked! I got a run dialog up and started a Terminal window from there. I do not know the right command to restart xwindows, so I just began re-instating all of the settings and pieces a bit at a time, using Terminal to start what other programs I needed to use, until I got the menu panels, menus, and launcher icons all back into place. I suspect that when I exported my Compiz settings the day before to a file without the .profile extension on it, that all of my settings evaporated on me. While fixing the problem yesterday I discovered the default extension for the Compiz profile, and set it correctly that time. Yes, there are definitely good uses for the command line, and I really like tearing my way down into the system scripts to see how things work. Windows has all of that information hidden away in binary files, so it blocks people from learning a lot of things. As a result of my fiasco the other day with adding a wrong resolution mode to my xorg.conf, I have done a lot of learning, and now I actually know how to "do the math", to verify that a potential video mode will work, instead of blithely assuming that it will just because I set the dot clock rate a bit higher than the setting for the previous mode in the file. I learned how to do that now by reading the man files, and info files for the "x" commands, and examining the scripts contained in the various xwindows folders. It rocks that it is so easy to do that in Ubuntu. Later, Ray Parrish Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From tomahadi at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 04:29:49 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:29:49 +0600 Subject: backup problem Message-ID: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without creating the backup file of all the documents again from the ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 Destination: /home/bb/Public Source path: /media/d For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui application? If gui application, what is the name? From tomahadi at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 04:07:15 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:07:15 +0600 Subject: still permissin problem Message-ID: <11286abe0903152107xe2c46b6yef96a47427044927@mail.gmail.com> > niceeeee.... > > I'm supposed to help you with your answer? > > 1) don't change subject lines > > 2) when I ask for information from your computer, post the information > > >> Is there any way to change permission of the Examples directory in >> my home directory? > > Maybe... Thank you for your co-operation. Actually I have solved my problem by using a clue you had given me. I went to source directory, and easily change the permission. SOLVED. From stephen_o at rogers.com Mon Mar 16 05:34:39 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:34:39 -0500 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BDE4EF.80304@rogers.com> Jim Douglas wrote: > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? I only see the AMD version, > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. > Hey I'm running the 64bit AMD on my intell em64t mother board. It runs fine but I am having trouble finding drivers for my hardware. Stephen Oulton. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 04:53:34 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:53:34 -0300 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using > tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without > creating the backup file of all the documents again from the > ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? > Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 > Destination: /home/bb/Public > Source path: /media/d > > For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui > application? If gui application, what is the name? For graphical applications please go to System - Administration - Synaptic Package Manager and search for "backup". Among the easiest to use is "sbackup" that can also be found at Applications - Add/Remove - search for "backup". You also can try nssbackup (beta new version for sbackup), bacula, backuppc, etc. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 16 05:03:56 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:03:56 -0400 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BDDDBC.10902@gatech.edu> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using > tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without > creating the backup file of all the documents again from the > ground-up. Consider using rdiff-backup. It's a little more complicated than a single tar file. However, it's very good at updating backups efficiently while allowing you to go back to old versions of your files if necessary. Matt Flaschen From ender8282 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 04:42:27 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:42:27 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu on LVM on RAID1? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BDD8B3.2070901@yahoo.com> Norberto Bensa wrote: > The questions are: is it possible to make this install using only the > stock installer? I believe that you will need to use the alternate install disk. In past versions the live disk has not supported sw raid and lvm. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From stephen_o at rogers.com Mon Mar 16 05:46:41 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:46:41 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. Message-ID: <49BDE7C1.9080206@rogers.com> Hello My modem is a SM56 data/fax by Motorola. I have been trying to get it set up so I can send and receive faxes. I found some information about slamr(kernal) but I can't seem to find any more info. I have downloaded slamr-2.6.27-11-generic with the install instructions. Every time I try to install it I get a bunch of errors and it doesn't work. I downloaded slamr-2.6.27-7-generic and booted my system with kernal 2.6.27-7 and I get an error message that I need the 64bit version. I did a google search and couldn't find any 64 bit modem drivers. This is what happened when I tried to install slamr-2.6.27-11-generic; stephen at Stephen01:~$ cd install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo gedit /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon [sudo] password for stephen: stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo ./setup installing driver for kernel version 2.6.27-11-generic Installing Smartlink support. FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format FATAL: Error inserting slamr (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such file or directory error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' Installing the Debian sl-modem-daemon package for autoloading drivers and modem setup. Copying over newer files Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra Checking driver install slamr.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 SmartLink Soft Modem: version 2.9.11 Nov 27 2008 14:36:23 Finished installs. Informing the System Starting function tests, loading drivers: FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format FATAL: Error inserting slamr (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format Running diagnostic: ports should be created by: slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such file or directory error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' Checking for success Port creation with slmodemd failed. Read the slamrInst.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . I would appreciate any help; Stephen Oulton. From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 05:20:25 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:20:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: how to configure local repository Message-ID: <297712.26531.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends,                     If i am install any software then i just want that when i am install software then that software install in my local repository do not go to ubuntu repository. If the software is not in my local repository after that it will search ubuntu or any other repository . I mean that i just want to setup my local repository. When every i install software then it is search first my local repository after that other. plz help me Thanks and Regard Jitendra Jha +91-9893325765 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It runs fine but > I am having trouble finding drivers for my hardware. > > Stephen Oulton. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > What kind of trouble? -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean that i > just want to setup my local repository. > When every i install software then it is search first my local repository > after that other. plz help me > > Thanks and Regard > Jitendra Jha > +91-9893325765 > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > you need to google a little more: http://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=es&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=HIQ&q=creating+a+local+repo+for+ubuntu&btnG=Buscar&meta= http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdkobex at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 06:02:35 2009 From: cdkobex at gmail.com (Kobe) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:02:35 +0800 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: <49BDE4EF.80304@rogers.com> References: <49BDE4EF.80304@rogers.com> Message-ID: Dear Stephen, AMD64 package work fine on Intel system, there is nothing different. What driver do you need? Please speak more about your problems?? Best regards, Kobe Cheung On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Stephen wrote: > Jim Douglas wrote: > > Is ther a Intel 64 bit version? I only see the AMD version, > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.cat.pdx.edu%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&arch=amd64 > > > > > ------------------------------ > Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. > > Hey > > I'm running the 64bit AMD on my intell em64t mother board. It runs fine but > I am having trouble finding drivers for my hardware. > > Stephen Oulton. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 06:21:29 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: how to access any pc in remote location Message-ID: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends,                     friends i am using ubuntu os and chatting with my friends using pidgin. how can i access him pc tell about process to full access him pc . what software i use . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 06:44:26 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <49BDE7C1.9080206@rogers.com> Message-ID: <155758.67419.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's been many years since I've set up a win modem and used one. However, you might try creating the missing file /dev/slamr0 as the error message states and try again the install. Just a thought, no guarantees but creating the file certainly wont hurt anything and can be removed if not successful. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen wrote: > From: Stephen > Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. > To: "uBuntu" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:46 AM > Hello > > My modem is a SM56 data/fax by Motorola. I have been trying > to get it > set up so I can send and receive faxes. I found some > information about > slamr(kernal) but I can't seem to find any more info. > > I have downloaded slamr-2.6.27-11-generic with the install > instructions. > Every time I try to install it I get a bunch of errors and > it doesn't > work. I downloaded slamr-2.6.27-7-generic and booted my > system with > kernal 2.6.27-7 and I get an error message that I need the > 64bit > version. I did a google search and couldn't find any 64 > bit modem drivers. > > This is what happened when I tried to install > slamr-2.6.27-11-generic; > > stephen at Stephen01:~$ cd install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic > stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo > gedit > /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon > [sudo] password for stephen: > stephen at Stephen01:~/install/slamr-2.6.27-11-generic$ sudo > ./setup > installing driver for kernel version 2.6.27-11-generic > Installing Smartlink support. > FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem > (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): > Invalid > module format > FATAL: Error inserting slamr > (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid > module format > error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such > file or directory > error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' > Installing the Debian sl-modem-daemon package for > autoloading drivers > and modem setup. > > Copying over newer files > Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra > Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra > Checking driver install > slamr.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko > Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ > Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 > SmartLink Soft Modem: version 2.9.11 Nov 27 2008 14:36:23 > Finished installs. > Informing the System > > Starting function tests, loading drivers: > FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem > (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): > Invalid > module format > FATAL: Error inserting slamr > (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid > module format > Running diagnostic: > > > ports should be created by: > slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 > error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slamr0': No such > file or directory > error: cannot setup device `/dev/slamr0' > Checking for success > Port creation with slmodemd failed. > Read the slamrInst.txt record, other *.txt files and the > sample > wvdial.conf . > > I would appreciate any help; > Stephen Oulton. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From vpadro at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 06:46:07 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:46:07 -0600 Subject: how to access any pc in remote location In-Reply-To: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:21 AM, jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > friends i am using ubuntu os and chatting with my > friends using pidgin. > how can i access him pc tell about process to full access him pc . > what software i use . > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Try using remote desktop viewer, you can find it in menu applications > internet > remote desktop viewer -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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In-Reply-To: <49BDD8B3.2070901@yahoo.com> References: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> <49BDD8B3.2070901@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BDE3C5.2090705@bradbury.edu.hk> John Hubbard wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: > >> The questions are: is it possible to make this install using only the >> stock installer? >> > I believe that you will need to use the alternate install disk. In past > versions the live disk has not supported sw raid and lvm. > > > That is correct. Only the debian-installer supports lvm on raid at this time and that is what the alternate install disk comes with. From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 08:04:39 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:04:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: what is rsync utility Message-ID: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                       what is rsync utility in ubuntu why we use this utility and how to run it. 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From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 08:02:10 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How many back up option in ubuntu Message-ID: <252467.76647.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                    how many backup option in ubuntu and how i can take back up tell me all type backup option and process too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nytrokiss at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:03:35 2009 From: nytrokiss at gmail.com (James Matthews) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:03:35 +0200 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM Message-ID: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. 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I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have been using ubuntu for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate all the personal computers we have at home but the problem is that we need a home server coz we have a pretty complex network at home plus I am also planning to host my own website and all the email and etc, etc so can any body plz tell me how to set up a home server and network using ubuntu server and also what all syncml and groupware software available for ubuntu server and how to install them Yours, KMB Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From michael.ulm at isis-papyrus.com Mon Mar 16 09:39:41 2009 From: michael.ulm at isis-papyrus.com (Michael Ulm) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:41 +0100 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BE1E5D.9020101@isis-papyrus.com> James Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my > wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is > possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS > (Slicehost or Linode I didn't decide yet....) and I am wondering if it > will work out. Definitely yes. You will have to disable everything you don't need (like X), but this is a good idea for a server anyway. You might even get away with 128 megs, but that's pushing it. HTH, Michael From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Mon Mar 16 08:49:01 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:49:01 +0300 Subject: what is rsync utility In-Reply-To: <1237191375.8640.254.camel@chronic> References: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1237191375.8640.254.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BE127D.8020407@lab.vectoris.fr> Mario Vukelic wrote: > I think you best start here: http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync > The first 5 search hits should give you the picture. Ask on the list > when you have a specific question about rsync. For specific questions to rsync: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From indigene2007 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:51:20 2009 From: indigene2007 at gmail.com (Siddartha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:21:20 +0530 Subject: mirror copy of ubuntu 8.10 installation from one desktop to other Message-ID: <49BE2118.7050006@gmail.com> I had Ubuntu 8.10 installed on a desktop over a month back and I have now configured many settings and softwares on it. I have an older desktop in another location (city) where I now have Ubuntu 8.10. Can I make this second desktop a mirror copy of the first -- settings, packages, softwares etc? From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:49:06 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:49:06 +0100 Subject: how to access any pc in remote location In-Reply-To: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903160249nebf6295pe35f5ab23a0a79dc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:21, jiten jha wrote: > > Dear friends, >                     friends i am using ubuntu os and chatting with my friends using pidgin. > how can i access him pc tell about process to full access him pc . > what software i use . > Is you friend running Ubuntu? From loic.grenie at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:55:12 2009 From: loic.grenie at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc_Greni=E9?=) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:55:12 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <49BDE7C1.9080206@rogers.com> References: <49BDE7C1.9080206@rogers.com> Message-ID: <9b06e8d20903160255vc65b3ecqc7744d49ddfa16af@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/16 Stephen : > Hello > > My modem is a SM56 data/fax by Motorola. I have been trying to get it > set up so I can send and receive faxes. I found some information about > slamr(kernal) but I can't seem to find any more info. > > I have downloaded slamr-2.6.27-11-generic with the install instructions. > Every time I try to install it I get a bunch of errors and it doesn't > work. I downloaded slamr-2.6.27-7-generic and booted my system with > kernal 2.6.27-7 and I get an error message that I need the 64bit > version. I did a google search and couldn't find any 64 bit modem drivers. As far as I understand, slamr is a closed-source 32-bit only driver. Since you have a 64-bit kernel, you need a 64-bit driver, thus this one won't work (this is what the message FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format means). You may be able to use 64-bit windows drivers with ndiswrapper but I wouldn't bet anything... Sorry, Loïc From heidan at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:38:58 2009 From: heidan at gmail.com (XUE Jianmin) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:38:58 +0800 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83c470b60903160238j3e4c7319o436f2fab9ee072cc@mail.gmail.com> I've been running ubuntu server 7.10 as family photo server for almost two years. It works fine for me in regards of overall experience. Anyway, you need to be patient sometime. Cheers, H. 2009/3/16 James Matthews > Hi, > > I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my > wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is > possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS (Slicehost > or Linode I didn't decide yet....) and I am wondering if it will work out. > > -- > http://www.astorandblack.com > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- Xue, Jianmin Tele: +86/21/61006699-7519 Gmail: heidan at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:37:58 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0600 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BE3A16.1080602@gmail.com> Weixuan Li wrote: > Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any change to my computer, check CD for defects, You better check the CD for defects first. That eliminates a bad CD as the problem. > memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? > Cheers,Weixuan > > Tell us what version your loading as well. Karl > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find out what’s new with your friends Download the new Windows Live Messenger > http://download.live.com/ > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:17:40 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:17:40 +0100 Subject: how to access any pc in remote location In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903160249nebf6295pe35f5ab23a0a79dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <630269.98325.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <930ea9d10903160249nebf6295pe35f5ab23a0a79dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:21, jiten jha wrote: >> >> Dear friends, >>                     friends i am using ubuntu os and chatting with my friends using pidgin. >> how can i access him pc tell about process to full access him pc . >> what software i use . >> > Is you friend running Ubuntu? Perhaps SSH? Hard to say without understanding what you need more. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From super.ismiti at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:45:22 2009 From: super.ismiti at gmail.com (Ricardo Schmidt) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:45:22 -0300 Subject: Old and new module.h In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *Sorry, actually my entire email is referring to the "sk_buff" structure.* 2009/3/16 Ricardo Schmidt : > Hello Ubuntu users, > > I am facing a problem with the changes in "module.h" from version 2.4 to 2.6. > > Basically I'm trying to compile a new module that will help me with my > application. > This module takes the incoming packets from a given interface. > However, this application was implemented for Linux 2.4 version. > Since, the included file "module.h" in this application had its > structure completely changed. > > I decide to edit the code of such application in order to compile for > kernel 2.6. > I've already changed some lines. But, there is some properties > (variables) that I didn't find the correspondent one. > For example, in the older version of "module.h" there was the > following variable: > (*skb)->nh.ihp->daddr > That is, the destination address from a specific IP header. > > I searched in the Internet, without success, for the correspondent > structure in the newer version of "module.h". > Does anybody know where I could find information about the old and new > versions of "module.h" relationship? > > Ps.: I already read in the file commentaries, but unfortunately it > isn't too helpful :( > > -- > Ricardo Schmidt > -- Ricardo de Oliveira Schmidt Networking and Telecommunications Research Group (GPRT) Informatics Center (CIn), Federal University of Pernambuco (UFPE), Brazil. super.ismiti at gmail.com / schmidt at gprt.ufpe.br http://cin.ufpe.br/~ros2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From super.ismiti at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:42:43 2009 From: super.ismiti at gmail.com (Ricardo Schmidt) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:42:43 -0300 Subject: Old and new module.h Message-ID: Hello Ubuntu users, I am facing a problem with the changes in "module.h" from version 2.4 to 2.6. Basically I'm trying to compile a new module that will help me with my application. This module takes the incoming packets from a given interface. However, this application was implemented for Linux 2.4 version. Since, the included file "module.h" in this application had its structure completely changed. I decide to edit the code of such application in order to compile for kernel 2.6. I've already changed some lines. But, there is some properties (variables) that I didn't find the correspondent one. For example, in the older version of "module.h" there was the following variable: (*skb)->nh.ihp->daddr That is, the destination address from a specific IP header. I searched in the Internet, without success, for the correspondent structure in the newer version of "module.h". Does anybody know where I could find information about the old and new versions of "module.h" relationship? Ps.: I already read in the file commentaries, but unfortunately it isn't too helpful :( -- Ricardo Schmidt From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:10:25 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:10:25 +0100 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <49BE1E5D.9020101@isis-papyrus.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> <49BE1E5D.9020101@isis-papyrus.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Michael Ulm wrote: > James Matthews wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my >> wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is >> possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS >> (Slicehost or Linode I didn't decide yet....) and I am wondering if it >> will work out. > > Definitely yes. You will have to disable everything you don't need (like X), > but this is a good idea for a server anyway. You might even get away with > 128 megs, but that's pushing it. > > HTH, > > Michael There are other servers also that are smaller. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From super.ismiti at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:16:55 2009 From: super.ismiti at gmail.com (Ricardo Schmidt) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:16:55 -0300 Subject: Old and new 'sk_buff' (resending) Message-ID: Hello Ubuntu users, I am facing a problem with the changes in 'struct sk_buff' from version 2.4 to 2.6. Basically I'm trying to compile a new module that will help me with my application. This module takes the incoming packets from a given interface. However, this application was implemented for Linux 2.4 version. Since the included file "linux/skbuff.h" in this application had its structure completely changed, I decide to edit the code of such application in order to compile it for kernel 2.6. I've already changed some lines. But, there is some properties (variables) that I didn't find the correspondent one. For example, in the older version of "module.h" there was the following variable: (*skb)->nh.ihp->daddr That is, the destination address from a specific IP header. I searched in the Internet, without success, for the correspondent structure in the newer version of "linux/skbuff.h". Does anybody know where I could find information about the old and new versions of "module.h" relationship? Ps.: I already read in the file commentaries, but unfortunately it isn't too helpful :( Auxiliary information: O.S. Linux Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.24-21-generic Thanks in advance for repliers! -- Ricardo Schmidt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Mon Mar 16 12:34:00 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:34:00 +0000 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BE4738.70306@gmail.com> James Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my > wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. I'd look at lighttpd and sqlite in place of apache and mysql on lower-powered servers. I've run apache/mysql on 256mb ram before, but not on anything remotely busy. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk http://aviswebsite.co.uk/asking-questions/ From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 12:40:58 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: GUI login through root user Message-ID: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                  how can i login in GUI mode through root user. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 16 12:54:02 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:54:02 -0400 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BE4BEA.2090207@chrononomicon.com> James Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my > wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is > possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS (Slicehost > or Linode I didn't decide yet....) and I am wondering if it will work out. Sure, if you're the only one using it or there's very little traffic. Without testing I don't know what you're looking for...will it be a performance leader? Heck no. If it's just for personal use and you have the disk space, probably. Only way to tell is set it up and run it and while using it from another machine have the server running the system monitor (or better yet, run the server version, sans X, and see what the CPU and memory usage are as you're using it. When it's pegging %100 constantly and/or dropping to swap often, you're overtaxing it. I mean...someone wrote an IP stack and web server for the commodore 64 and put it on the Internet :-) Worked for them until slashdot got wind of it... From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 09:54:14 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:54:14 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:02:04 -0700, don fisher wrote: > I will do that. But I am curious. Do you know why that is termed "proper > etiquette"? The mail reader I use, Thunderbird, opens an email at the top. > Is is a bit annoying have to scroll to the end to find the reply. > The short answer is that it has been established etiquette since before Ubuntu and Thunderbird were born. For a longer answer: A search engine can be your friend. These are the first three hits I got: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html For further fun you might search the archives of this list for threads about the issue, lots of opinions to read. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 10:20:54 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:20:54 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu References: <49BD4CEA.6030904@lab.vectoris.fr> <45391f280903151220v563df410v4b552c0869b8276c@mail.gmail.com> <49BDF1EB.6080102@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: > Steve Flynn wrote: >> Really, If you don't have anything constructive to add > > Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Did you? I thought the point he made had the potential to be constructive. When working with inexperienced users, trying to be funny can be very unhelpful for the OP. Inexperienced users often don't understand what you mean, even with the smiley. Bottom line, the community is here to help posters, not to entertain ourselves or each other. It's much more acceptable to joke with "regulars" after you've been around for a while and try to give inexperienced users sound, serious, advice. From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Mar 16 09:23:56 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:23:56 +0100 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good > with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 > on the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the > partial... from what i understand thats both programs that u can switch > from back and forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to > install... > Thanks for your help, > Yelena > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find > out more. > > Yelena, if Win 98 previously was on your computer you should kindly consider whether XP will make sense. Typically the proverbial Win 98 PC will not work with XP, at least not in a way that you will like. It could well be that Linux was installed to your PC for a reason.;-) I fully agree with Norberto, you should probably ask some Professional about this. If you do not have one, please come back to the list and we will guide you through anylyzing your machine and see if it is fit for XP. After this, the XP installation, which in turn will automatically delete Ubuntu, will not be much more difficult than the Ubuntu installation was. Kind regards Eberhard From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 10:26:09 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:26:09 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu References: Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:14:34 -0400, Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > > Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good > with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on > the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... > from what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and > forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... > Be aware, that many computers of the era of Win98 will not give a good user experience with XP, some won't have XP drivers for some of their hardware and some won't work at all. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Mar 16 12:55:11 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:55:11 -0600 Subject: GUI login through root user In-Reply-To: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090316065511.6ebf4b80@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:40:58 +0000 (GMT) jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends >                  how can i login in GUI mode through root user. > Here is some very good information on it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From iodine at runbox.no Mon Mar 16 12:40:12 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:40:12 +0100 Subject: How to setup a home server In-Reply-To: <73887387-1237194633-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1773470941-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <73887387-1237194633-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1773470941-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49BE48AC.3030302@runbox.no> madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have > been using ubuntu for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate > all the personal computers we have at home but the problem is that we > need a home server coz we have a pretty complex network at home plus > I am also planning to host my own website and all the email and etc, > etc so can any body plz tell me how to set up a home server and > network using ubuntu server and also what all syncml and groupware > software available for ubuntu server and how to install them Check out this article: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-8.10 -- Odd From diesch at spamfence.net Mon Mar 16 12:50:41 2009 From: diesch at spamfence.net (Florian Diesch) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:50:41 +0100 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: (NoOp's message of "Fri\, 13 Mar 2009 09\:31\:47 -0700") References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <87eix14xmj.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: <87ocw1pr6m.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> NoOp wrote: > On 03/13/2009 01:48 AM, Florian Diesch wrote: >> NoOp wrote: >> >>> On 03/12/2009 07:01 PM, Florian Diesch wrote: >>>> "David M. Karr" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I discover an application I want to install, so I go to "Add/Remove", >>>>> find it, then install it. >>>>> >>>>> I can now see it in the "Applications" menu, although it just shows me >>>>> the "displayable" name of the application, not the full path to the >>>>> application. >>>>> >>>>> Now, one of the installed applications needs to go into my session >>>>> startup. The dialog to add a startup application doesn't allow me to >>>>> browse through the installed applications, all I can do is enter a full >>>>> path to an executable. >>>> >>>> You can drag&drop an item from the start menu into the list of start programs. >>> >>> Can you explain how? For instance whenever I turn on my system in the >>> morning I always open Nautilus & 2 other apps; I open >>> System|Preferences|Sessions|Startup Programs, I then open >>> Applications|Accessories & try to drag & drop 'File Browser' to the >>> 'Startup Programs' and it doesn't work (both on Hardy and Intrepid). >> >> That's how it works here (Intrepid) - at least I get an entry in the >> list, I didn't check if it really gets started. >> >> Note that I don't use the "Add" button but just drop the app into the >> list. >> >> What exactly doesn't work for you: Can't you drag the app out of the >> menu (the icon is used as mouse cursor as you are dragging) or can't >> you drop the app into the list? > > I can drag the icon out of the menu, but when I drop the app into the > list (release the mouse button), the icon flys back on to the > Applications menu. Strange. I don't think I have anythings special here. diesch at scenic:~% /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties --version /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties 2.24.1 gnome-session: Installed: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 Version table: *** 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 0 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Florian -- From iodine at runbox.no Mon Mar 16 12:48:47 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:48:47 +0100 Subject: GUI login through root user In-Reply-To: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE4AAF.8060301@runbox.no> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends > how can i login in GUI mode through root user. Not easily. There have been measures taken to make this difficult on Ubuntu, due to it being a a bad idea in the first place. What are you trying to accomplish? -- Odd From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:49:24 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:49:24 -0600 Subject: Modem on Presario 2100 and i386 questions In-Reply-To: <8691AC59-E057-44E1-8929-E2BB84A5A20C@copper.net> References: <8691AC59-E057-44E1-8929-E2BB84A5A20C@copper.net> Message-ID: <49BE3CC4.2030204@gmail.com> Craig Bakalian wrote: > Hi, > I just installed Ubuntu on a Compaq Presario 2100. Ubuntu network > manager cannot get the ALi Corparation M5457 AC '97 Modem Controller. The only modems that work for sure with Linux are external modems which these days work through a USB port. I have no idea what the ALI M5457 is. > I did the scan modem download thing, and I really see no point to > attempting to get a driver to run the internal modem. So, is there a > reliable and inexpensive external modem out there that I could serial > or usb port to that is compatible with Ubuntu 8.04. They are all > compatable with 8.04 :-) > > Also, what is the deal with i386 and all of the applications that > are not compatible. I just don't get why i386 computers are not > supported for so many interesting applications, especially development > tools, because I am a Objective C programmer (Mac OS X). Anybody > privy to why there is little support for i386 motherboards? You can apt-get install all the compilers you want. Look in the Sympatic package thing for all the compilers and other things. I am today writing C++ on a i386 with zero problems. > Also, I am buying my son a bran spanking new HP desktop (something > with an intel core duo) for his birthday. When I install Ubuntu on it > am I going to get the same lack of support for i386 and modems? Yes. Karl > > Craig Bakalian > 560 Keswick Drive > Yardley, PA 19067 > 215-428-0856 > cbakalian at copper.net > > > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 13:12:46 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:12:46 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> Set up a Windows VM under Ubuntu with Virtualbox (or other virtualisation software running on Ubuntu) Check these links: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/12/how-to-install-virtualbox-open-source-edition-on-ubuntu-710/ http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/13/installing-guest-additions-for-ubuntu-guests-in-virtualbox/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox 2009/3/15 Mark Pyles > Hi everyone: > > I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. > Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which > I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at > home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I > just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu > Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? Thanks. > > Mark > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 10:33:07 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:33:07 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu on LVM on RAID1? In-Reply-To: <49BDD8B3.2070901@yahoo.com> References: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> <49BDD8B3.2070901@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903160333m670419a3g2cf12a781afac5f0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:42 AM, John Hubbard wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> The questions are: is it possible to make this install using only the >> stock installer? > I believe that you will need to use the alternate install disk. In past > versions the live disk has not supported sw raid and lvm. Ha!!! I've never used the LiveCD anyways. "Alternate" does install in a fraction of the time it takes to boot the LiveCD :-) Thanks John and Christopher. BTW, I thought, well, let's try this configuration in VirtualBox. It seems to work very well. Best regards, Norberto From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Mon Mar 16 13:25:19 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:25:19 +0300 Subject: GUI login through root user In-Reply-To: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <143766.57770.qm@web23605.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE533F.7010501@lab.vectoris.fr> jiten jha wrote: > how can i login in GUI mode through root user. May be should you explain what you want to do after that, because most of the time, there will be an easy way to do it without being root/GUI. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 16 12:38:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:38:24 -0300 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms References: <20090315133953.08426d22@teamcharliesangels.com> <200903152136.12714.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <9303125.4vh4jT9D5E@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Well, you might use a car adapter for the computer to get power from the > car battery which is DC, not AC. I do - and it's AC (it was _far_ cheaper to buy a 75W inverter than to buy an actual DC car adapter) > So I think the term external power is > better than AC power. It's more correct, it's not more obvious to the IEU. (and no, I'm not going to explain that acronym). -- derek From rmaheshvbs at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 13:57:24 2009 From: rmaheshvbs at gmail.com (Mahesh R) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:57:24 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> Hi, You can use Wine. Its more simple 2009/3/16 Andy Kannberg > Set up a Windows VM under Ubuntu with Virtualbox (or other virtualisation > software running on Ubuntu) > Check these links: > > > http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/12/how-to-install-virtualbox-open-source-edition-on-ubuntu-710/ > > http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/13/installing-guest-additions-for-ubuntu-guests-in-virtualbox/ > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox > > 2009/3/15 Mark Pyles > >> Hi everyone: >> >> I am using Ubuntu 8.10(gnome desktop) which I absolutely love. >> Unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio which >> I use at work but now I need to work from home and I am using Ubuntu at >> home on my laptop and as much as I hate anything micro$oft related I >> just wondered if there was a way to run windows software on my Ubuntu >> Linux without having to reformat or repartition my hard drive? 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URL: From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 14:06:16 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:06:16 +0100 Subject: Fwd: how to access any pc in remote location In-Reply-To: <699729.72406.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <930ea9d10903160249nebf6295pe35f5ab23a0a79dc@mail.gmail.com> <699729.72406.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903160706m602810c0y3addce1780e29223@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: jiten jha Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:04 Subject: Re: how to access any pc in remote location To: Vincent Arnoux no he is running windows and i do not know him pc ip address i just trace her ip using trace software but i got only DSL ip then how can i access --- On Mon, 16/3/09, Vincent Arnoux wrote: From: Vincent Arnoux Subject: Re: how to access any pc in remote location To: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Date: Monday, 16 March, 2009, 3:49 AM On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:21, jiten jha wrote: > > Dear friends, >                     friends i am using ubuntu os and chatting with my friends using pidgin. > how can i access him pc tell about process to full access him pc . > what software i use . > > > Is you friend running Ubuntu? If you have his DSL IP address (I guess you are talking about his router's IP?), you should ask him to redirect its router port to the PC you want to take control of. Then, amongst other solutions people gave you on this list, you can ask him to run a VNC server and connect to his PC using a VNC viewer (www.tightvnc.com). Vincent From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 16 09:11:29 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Hacking Message-ID: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends,                     how can i became good hacker for protect against cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taig at melbpc.org.au Mon Mar 16 14:48:40 2009 From: taig at melbpc.org.au (GaryT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:48:40 +1100 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <200903151530.57864.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> <200903151530.57864.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49BE66C8.8060600@melbpc.org.au> Nils Kassube wrote: > GaryT wrote: >> To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command >> ls -s -S -R >> from the root directory. > That would be nearly all files - hidden files would stay hidden. If you > want to see ALL files, add the -A option. >> BUT >> When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I >> get "permission denied" >> e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt > You are not allowed to write to "/files.txt". >> dding sudo makes no difference > No, it doesn't because sudo then only works for the ls command, not for > the output redirection. Try > sudo ls -sSR / >~/files.txt > which will give you a list of all files but place the output in your > home directory. >> sing gksudo also makes no difference. >> > There is no big difference between sudo and gksudo in this case because, > like sudo, it operates on the ls command not on the output redirection. > Nils Thanks for the reminder, Nils. No doubt I would have done some fruitless searching for hidden files before the penny dropped. Cheers GT From jdz99 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 14:43:24 2009 From: jdz99 at hotmail.com (Jim Douglas) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:43:24 +0000 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: <49BDE4EF.80304@rogers.com> Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Mon Mar 16 15:06:36 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:06:36 -0400 Subject: intel 64 bit version In-Reply-To: References: <49BDE4EF.80304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49BE6AFC.7000302@ercbroadband.org> Jim Douglas wrote: > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 Wow, Hotmails new filters are a little overzealous, dropping email contents to know Linux sites. :) -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Mon Mar 16 15:05:42 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:05:42 -0400 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE6AC6.6030102@ercbroadband.org> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > how can i became good hacker for protect against cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > > > > > I just love trolls filling my inbox with crap. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Mon Mar 16 15:12:34 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:12:34 +0300 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE6C62.7060307@lab.vectoris.fr> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, how can i became good hacker for protect against > cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. ... "In your life"? Have some tehcnical background would be a good dtarting point. What is yours? Then reading (and understanding) as much RFC as you can, because they are one of the starting point of security in IT systems. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From aquil.abdullah at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 15:39:47 2009 From: aquil.abdullah at gmail.com (Aquil H. Abdullah) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:39:47 -0400 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <49BE6AC6.6030102@ercbroadband.org> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <49BE6AC6.6030102@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <23116d500903160839j4055da5g6af2ee7980a6e648@mail.gmail.com> Hacking is a life style my friend, it requires technical know-how and imagination, but most of all the raw determination to get the job done. While many people associate hacking with nefarious activities, I find that most hackers have a chaotic good alignment. So my advice to you is to find a project and figure out how to solve it.... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > jiten jha wrote: > > Dear friends, > > how can i became good hacker for protect against > cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just love trolls filling my inbox with crap. > > > -- > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > quadraturae circuli > > Mark Haney > Sr. Systems Administrator > ERC Broadband > (828) 350-2415 > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Aquil H. Abdullah aquil.abdullah at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Mon Mar 16 15:17:44 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:17:44 -0400 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE6D98.2050709@ercbroadband.org> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > how can i became good hacker for protect against cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > > > > > I just love trolls filling my inbox with crap. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 15:55:29 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:55:29 -0400 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > how can i became good hacker for protect against cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > I would strongly suggest you first search google about these terms. It can give you a whole lot of information to get you started. NB: most of the links are probably going to be Windows oriented. On second thoughts, you should probably look for topics on how to make your systems secure against malware and unauthorized intrusions. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Mar 16 15:53:34 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:53:34 -0600 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090316095334.6cc89c6a@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:11:29 +0000 (GMT) jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, >                     how can i became good hacker for protect against > cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > Install and study rutebook first, to get an understanding of how to do things in linux. Then google for more documents to read and learn from. sudo apt-get install rutebook Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From stephanos at writeme.com Mon Mar 16 17:32:08 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:08 +0000 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> Stephen wrote: > Dear All > > Kubuntu 8.10 > > I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and > text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: > 1) K > System > System Settings > Display > 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate > > When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I > have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. > The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > > Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and > improved performance. > > I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the > settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about > reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. > > Any help appreciated > > Stephen > Dear All This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X at start up makes no difference to the display. I still have the problems of 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate. 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits 3) Windows render slowly 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a size that I can read - it is all too small 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. But I cannot access the display options to change it. I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not have to be fiddled with. I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not sure what it is. Any recommendations welcomed. Stephen From martinmai1024 at web.de Mon Mar 16 17:55:01 2009 From: martinmai1024 at web.de (Martin Mai) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:55:01 +0100 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - 19th of March, 2009 Message-ID: <1237226101.6134.7.camel@martin-laptop> Fellow Ubuntu Triagers! This week's HugDay target is *drum roll please* cups! * 85 New bugs need a hug * 27 Incomplete bugs need a status check * 11 Confirmed bugs need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! * 19th of March, 2009 * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090319 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! Have some time? Triage boogz! I won't be upset if you get a headstart~ ;) Have a blog? Blog about Hugday! Have some screen space? Open #ubuntu-bugs and keep an eye out for newcomers in need. Have minions? Teach THEM to triage for you! :) Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the Ubuntu Hall of Fame page! Make a difference; we will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs Have a nice day, Martin [From the BugSquad] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Mon Mar 16 18:01:22 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:01:22 -0400 Subject: how to configure local repository In-Reply-To: <297712.26531.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <297712.26531.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE93F2.3030405@dinamis.com> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > If i am install any software then i just want that > when i am install software then that software install in my local > repository do not go to ubuntu repository. If the software is not in my > local repository after that it will search ubuntu or any other > repository . I mean that i just want to setup my local repository. > When every i install software then it is search first my local > repository after that other. plz help me I use apt-cacher to do this and I'm quite happy with. I wasted a lot of time trying to get apt-proxy working on 8.04 but it was broken. Set up the "path_map" in /etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf so that you can point to localhost for your repo sources. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Substituting nginx (lightpd apparently leaks a lot of memory) for Apache will reduce your resource consumption considerably but you'll have to serve WP via fcgi. For Django, you have the option of fcgi or mod_wsgi. You should be aware that on some distros, running mod_php and mod_python at the same time with Apache can be problematic due to them being linked to incompatible versions of the MySQL libraries. It doesn't even matter if you use MySQL. It still causes problems. If I recall, the symptom for PHP was white screens and for Django, a 500 error code being returned. In our hosting operation, we're moving people away from hosting their own database servers in their own VPS. Database servers can require considerable resources to perform well and it makes more sense to have one instance of the database server with lots of resources allocated to it to which various users from various shared accounts or VPS can connect rather than having one instance of a database server running per VPS where you're going to have minimal resources allocated to the database server. In other words, there are economies of scale with database servers that I think people ignore all for the illusion of control. It requires a bit of coordination between us and the hosting client but the payoff is that they get a database server that is bound to perform better than anything they can host in their own VPS. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am trying to change the driver because the default driver in 8.10 has problems that I find more than annoying (printer is a HP Laserjet 6P): - When I print a PDF file, the driver is so slow to process the job, that it is unable to feed the printer fast enough, resulting in the printer having to stop briefly between each and every page. Other than lengthening needlessly overall print time which in itself is a major pain, it also can't be good for the laser printer to "stress" its mechanicals this way. Having to stop/start endlessly for 10 minutes, geez. - Last week I tried to print a black and white drawing I made with OpenOffice.org Draw, and eventually noticed that when printing in "black & white" mode, the drawing was reversed: printing black lines over a white background, when the original drawing was actually white lines over a black background. Printing in "grey scale" mode solved the problem, but not really because in this mode, the black parts of the drawing aren't *really* black, not a very "clean"/neat/sharp black, so it was no good for what I wanted to achieve. I don't remmber the name of the driver I used in the past, which did not yield these problems, though. So I would like to try them all (they were at least 3 to choose from IIRC) one by one, see which one works best. Thanks ! ;-) Regards, -- Vince From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 18:31:39 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:31:39 -0300 Subject: How many back up option in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <252467.76647.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <252467.76647.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/16 jiten jha : > Dear friends >                    how many backup option in ubuntu and how i can take back > up tell me all type backup option and process too. Please search for ubuntu + backup in Google. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From hs.samix at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 18:40:55 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:40:55 -0400 Subject: How many back up option in ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <252467.76647.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > 2009/3/16 jiten jha : >> Dear friends >> how many backup option in ubuntu and how i can take back >> up tell me all type backup option and process too. > > Please search for ubuntu + backup in Google. > > L. > Or just search for 'backup' in synaptic package manager. Or use the following command in a terminal: $> apt-cache search backup -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 16:57:26 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:26 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <87ocw1pr6m.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <871vt25ggi.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <87eix14xmj.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> <87ocw1pr6m.fsf@scenic.florian-diesch.de> Message-ID: On 03/16/2009 05:50 AM, Florian Diesch wrote: > NoOp wrote: >>> What exactly doesn't work for you: Can't you drag the app out of the >>> menu (the icon is used as mouse cursor as you are dragging) or can't >>> you drop the app into the list? >> >> I can drag the icon out of the menu, but when I drop the app into the >> list (release the mouse button), the icon flys back on to the >> Applications menu. > > Strange. I don't think I have anythings special here. > > > diesch at scenic:~% /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties --version > /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties 2.24.1 > > > gnome-session: > Installed: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 > Candidate: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 > Version table: > *** 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 0 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status On Hardy: $ /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties --version GNOME gnome-session-properties 2.22.1.1 Doesn't work. On Intrepid: $ /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties --version /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties 2.24.1 Just tested on a new install and it *does* work. Cool! So it must be something that they've added between the versions. I'll track it down later on launchpad and see if it can be updated for Hardy, or at least backported. From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 16:59:34 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: killing a process (again), ports Message-ID: I think that this process is causing problems: thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo ps -ae | grep 5088 5088 ? 00:02:14 java thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo netstat -tanp | grep 80 tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8006 :::* LISTEN 5088/java tcp6 0 0 :::8009 :::* LISTEN 5088/java tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 5088/java thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo kill 5088 -9 kill: No such process thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo ps -ae | grep 5088 5088 ? 00:02:28 java thufir at arrakis:~$ init: deps-module-jar: deps-ear-jar: deps-jar: library-inclusion-in-archive: library-inclusion-in-manifest: compile: compile-jsps: Checking data source definitions for missing JDBC drivers... Starting of Tomcat failed, the server port 8080 is already in use. Deployment error: Starting of Tomcat failed, the server port 8080 is already in use. So, how do I free up that port? Yes, I can change the port which tomcat runs on, but I'd rather just free up the port. It gets "stuck" and the only way I can unfreeze this is to reboot. thanks, Thufir From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Mon Mar 16 18:44:00 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:44:00 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:57 +0100, Mahesh R wrote: > You can use Wine. Its more simple I you read the thread you will find that we have already established that MS Visual Studio (the software Mark wants to run) does not work with Wine. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 16 18:58:27 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:58:27 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:57 +0100, Mahesh R wrote: >> You can use Wine. Its more simple > > I you read the thread you will find that we have already established > that MS Visual Studio (the software Mark wants to run) does not work > with Wine. I'd strongly vote in favor of emulation for doing development work with visual studio, or nix it and go with REALbasic which is cross-platform and has a native compiler for Linux. The personal edition is free for Linux users last I checked. Doesn't do .NET, but it will create native executables for Windows, OS X, and Linux, 32 bit. -Bart From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 19:04:46 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:04:46 -0700 Subject: Adding apps to startup could be made easier In-Reply-To: <20090314020253.5469636f@WizardsTower> References: <49B7F412.7090909@gmail.com> <20090312221921.22c92038@WizardsTower> <20090314020253.5469636f@WizardsTower> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 12:02 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > Here's an alternate solution. Open the menu > editor(System>Preferences>Main Menu), navigate to the program in the > menu items display on the right, right click and choose, "Properties." > The path should show under, "Command." I know... but just opening that is sooo slow (same as right click Applications|Edit Menu) - 7 seconds to open on a 2.4Ghz/1GB Hardy. That's why I wrote: > Not all menu items will have a full path, but an quick and easy way to > see what the properties are (rather than having to wait for the Edit > Menu to grind itself into motion) From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 16 18:32:09 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:32:09 -0300 Subject: Problem Mounting JFS in -o rw for all users References: <554288.19672.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3125130.HmpFqSeZX7@cedar.serverforest.com> Bill Marcum wrote: > On 2009-03-15, Aryan Ameri wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am having difficulty mounting a JFS partition so that all users can >> have read and write permission on it. >> >> The partition in question is on a RAID 0 array spanning 2 physical >> disks (more than 1 TB in size), but this should not be an issue as >> root is able to read and write to the partition with no problems. >> >> However, trying to mount the partition with '-o rw, users' option >> still does not allow other (non-root) users to write to the partition. >> >> Am I missing something obvious here? It needs to be fsck'd? -- derek From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Mon Mar 16 14:59:50 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:59:50 +0000 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BE6966.3070103@gmail.com> jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > how can i became good hacker for protect against > cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From cr33dog at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 19:38:02 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:38:02 -0500 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: <49BD7E5B.7050505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> <49BD7E5B.7050505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wulfy wrote: [...] > Normally I only install debs so the package manager can look after > updates and such, but I need this driver or I have a nice black shiny > paper-weight!  I'm not shy about using the Konsole and compiling but a > chroot has never really made any sense to me.  I don't think I could > pull that off...  :@( It's not quite as hard as it sounds - a chroot is just a sort of "fake root directory". Then again, if you converted the RPM to DEB inside the chroot, I'm not entirely sure it would install cleanly in your 64-bit system. > The .src package seems to have everything the .i386 packages have but > not compiled.  I was wondering if the scripts could be tweaked to use > the compiler I have and give me a 64-bit solution?  I haven't checked > all the folders but the ones I have looked in seem to have .c anf .h > files in so should be compilable in a 64-bit environment.  Would this > involve only changing the targets from i386 to amd64?  The only thing I > can think of that may be a problem is if there's some assembler level > programming... I did the following: 1. Extracted the RPM (right-click - extract here) 2. Entered the folder in terminal 3. Typed make 4. Based on the error, I went into the subdirectory and typed ./autogen.sh, then make 5. I did stems 3 and 4 three more times At that point, it looked like all of the pieces had been compiled, but they needed to be installed in the proper places. I tried using the "checkinstall" program to roll a DEB file, but had no luck - I did not go any further. I'm not really that familiar with Debian's packaging system - perhaps you can ask someone who is to manually convert the source RPM into a DEB file? Chris From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Mon Mar 16 19:43:04 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:43:04 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:58 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I'd strongly vote in favor of emulation for doing development work with > visual studio, "Emulation"? Emulate what? > or nix it and go with REALbasic which is cross-platform > and has a native compiler for Linux. Considering that Markt wrote, "unfortunately my boss at work requires that I use MS Visual Studio" I doubt that this is an option. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 16 19:50:48 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:50:48 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:58 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> I'd strongly vote in favor of emulation for doing development work with >> visual studio, > > "Emulation"? Emulate what? Using Virtualbox or VMWare. Sorry, thought that was already covered previously in the thread. >> or nix it and go with REALbasic which is cross-platform >> and has a native compiler for Linux. > > Considering that Markt wrote, "unfortunately my boss at work requires > that I use MS Visual Studio" I doubt that this is an option. *shrug* missed it, but for others looking at programming options it's valid. I would still strongly encourage using a virtual computer for simplicity in the long run with developing in that environment rather than anything like Wine. And who knows...maybe his boss would be willing to let them try REALbasic, or he can use it at home, depending on what exactly they're developing. It's nice to have one codebase for multiple platforms. From berni at zionundy.me.uk Mon Mar 16 19:51:44 2009 From: berni at zionundy.me.uk (Bernard G Hill) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:51:44 +0000 Subject: Printer problem Message-ID: <49BEADD0.5020903@zionundy.me.uk> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8-10 and find that when printing to the HP Color laserjet 3505 via USB only one job will print. When that job is finished, it can be several pages of a document, the message 'the printer may not be connected' is displayed. To resume printing either the printer has to be switched off and then on again or the USB connector disconnected and then reconnected. This will allow one more job to be printed. Another problem, which may be related as it involves USB, is that the computer will not boot up but hangs if the external USB drive is connected and switched on. This is just a nuisance and only needs a check before booting but the printer problem is a bit more serious. Help will be very much appreciated. Berni. From hdf3 at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 19:54:45 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:54:45 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: >>> If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. >> Oh. I've found this: >> >> http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html >> >> So you need to tell mkfs.ext to use 8KB blocks > > As that page says, 8KB blocks are only available on Alpha, which I doubt > Don has. > >> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 should give you a 16TB filesystem > > 4096 bytes is 4 KB. Luckily, that is sufficient for a 10 TB filesystem > (max of 16 TB with that option). > > Matt Flaschen > The kernel does not have LBD (support for large block devices) or LSF (support for large single files) enabled. Examination of the configure dependencies shows they are both dependent on !64BIT. My machine is 64BIT, so these are available as configurable options. In the past, under Fedora, these both were enable and my option was Y. I do not know if LBD and LSF are patches to let 32BIT machines handle large files or a bug in the kernel. The same definition exists in the latest at kernel.org. I have been doing science for awhile, so have forgotten a lot of the details. And the switch from Fedora to Ubuntu has complicated the situation a bit. I do not remember how the limits on file system size are reflected in the work size. Don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 20:02:30 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:02:30 -0700 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <9b06e8d20903140612n73752af2hb04750031f170208@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> <9b06e8d20903140612n73752af2hb04750031f170208@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 06:12 AM, Loïc Grenié wrote: > 2009/3/14 Larry Shields : >> NoOp wrote: >>> On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: >>> >>>> NoOp wrote: >>>> >>> Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? > > I guess the 123... number is the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970. > It probably signs the last time this entry was edited. > > Loïc > I suspect you are correct - thanks for that :-) From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 16 20:04:43 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:43 +0100 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903162104.43817.kassube@gmx.net> Thufir wrote: > thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo kill 5088 -9 > kill: No such process There is no process -9. I suppose you meant: sudo kill -9 5088 Nils From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Mon Mar 16 20:05:54 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:05:54 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:50 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Using Virtualbox or VMWare. Sorry, thought that was already covered > previously in the thread. It was, but the term "emulation" confused me. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 16 20:12:13 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:12:13 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:50 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Using Virtualbox or VMWare. Sorry, thought that was already covered >> previously in the thread. > > It was, but the term "emulation" confused me. Okay, virtualization :-p From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 20:08:25 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:08:25 -0700 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 05:38 AM, Larry Shields wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: >> >>> NoOp wrote: >>> >> Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? >> >> $ gedit ~/.wine/user.reg >> >> Should be at the very bottom of the file. >> >> >> > *At the very bottom, it shows [Software\\{NSINAME}] 12324133335 > > I went through each one, yet it does not show [Software\\Wine\\X11 > Driver] ...??? > > Larry > * > Odd, it shows on all of my machines. Now that you can read the fonts, run 'regedit' from the terminal and then search for 'X11 Driver' and see if it's in the registry. It is mine: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\X11 Driver. From larryesu at charter.net Mon Mar 16 20:09:11 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:09:11 -0500 Subject: Where is the wine register locate...??? In-Reply-To: References: <49B91429.4010209@charter.net> <49B9162D.6080706@nextline.no> <49B92CBF.1020106@charter.net> <49BA5C3E.4040701@charter.net> <49BBA558.2070909@charter.net> <9b06e8d20903140612n73752af2hb04750031f170208@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BEB1E7.9070606@charter.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/14/2009 06:12 AM, Loïc Grenié wrote: > >> 2009/3/14 Larry Shields : >> >>> NoOp wrote: >>> >>>> On 03/13/2009 06:14 AM, Larry Shields wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> NoOp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Out of curiosity; what 123... number does your's now show? >>>> >> I guess the 123... number is the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970. >> It probably signs the last time this entry was edited. >> >> Loïc >> >> > > I suspect you are correct - thanks for that :-) > > > > *No problem... Thanks for asking... * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 20:13:52 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:13:52 +0100 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: I started a thread just the other day on Kubuntu list of VMware VS Virtualbox and it is still going strong. You might find some good info there too. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From larryesu at charter.net Mon Mar 16 20:13:56 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:13:56 -0500 Subject: TKDESK Crashing at startup...??? Message-ID: <49BEB304.7050407@charter.net> *Has anyone yet found a fix to get TKDESK 2.0-9 to work instead of crashing upon starting up... It has been awhile now, so was woundering if anyone has gotten it to work... Thanks Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 20:15:31 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:15:31 -0700 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 02:17 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >> Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how >> to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they >> claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which >> involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the >> resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from >> them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the >> article. > > There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from > iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, > they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can > convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM > stuff. > You might want to have a look at the links I provided. From taig at melbpc.org.au Mon Mar 16 14:48:02 2009 From: taig at melbpc.org.au (GaryT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:48:02 +1100 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <20090315082611.7c468cc0@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> <20090315082611.7c468cc0@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49BE66A2.4020607@melbpc.org.au> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:47:11 +1100 GaryT wrote: > To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command > ls -s -S -R > from the root directory. > BUT > When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I > get "permission denied" > e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt > adding sudo makes no difference > using gksudo also makes no difference. > please, how does one overcome the problem? > TIA > Gary T > If you are running this in "/", you do not have write permission to > create 'files.txt'. Try using > sudo ls -s -S -R >/home/your-user-name/files.txt > replacing your-user-name with the correct name. This will allow a full > listing to be generated and the report written to your home directory. > Good luck, Much appreciated, Charlie. The learning continues. GT From taig at melbpc.org.au Mon Mar 16 14:47:43 2009 From: taig at melbpc.org.au (GaryT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:47:43 +1100 Subject: Write to file forbidden In-Reply-To: <1237126660.7808.277.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <49BD06DF.7020706@melbpc.org.au> <1237126660.7808.277.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <49BE668F.4080907@melbpc.org.au> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 00:47 +1100, GaryT wrote: > >> To obtain a recursive listing of all files, I'll use the command >> ls -s -S -R >> from the root directory. >> >> BUT >> When attempting to capture that list by saving it to a text file, I get >> "permission denied" >> e.g. ls -s -S -R >files.txt >> >> adding sudo makes no difference >> using gksudo also makes no difference. >> >> please, how does one overcome the problem? >> > The redirect is opening the output file in the / directory before the > sudo command is executed. Redirects are handled by the parent shell and > not by sudo. Try it from your home directory. e.g. > sudo ls -sSR / >files.txt Many thanks, Smoot. GT From nbensa at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 21:28:53 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:28:53 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> I would assume that 64bit kernels are LBS and LFS by default but I may be wrong. On 3/16/09, don fisher wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> Norberto Bensa wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: >>>> If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. >>> Oh. I've found this: >>> >>> http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html >>> >>> So you need to tell mkfs.ext to use 8KB blocks >> >> As that page says, 8KB blocks are only available on Alpha, which I doubt >> Don has. >> >>> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 should give you a 16TB filesystem >> >> 4096 bytes is 4 KB. Luckily, that is sufficient for a 10 TB filesystem >> (max of 16 TB with that option). >> >> Matt Flaschen >> > > The kernel does not have LBD (support for large block devices) or LSF > (support for large single files) enabled. Examination of the configure > dependencies shows they are both dependent on !64BIT. My machine is > 64BIT, so these are available as configurable options. > > In the past, under Fedora, these both were enable and my option was Y. I > do not know if LBD and LSF are patches to let 32BIT machines handle > large files or a bug in the kernel. The same definition exists in the > latest at kernel.org. > > I have been doing science for awhile, so have forgotten a lot of the > details. And the switch from Fedora to Ubuntu has complicated the > situation a bit. I do not remember how the limits on file system size > are reflected in the work size. > > Don > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | > | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | > | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Sent from my mobile device From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 22:09:58 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:09:58 -0700 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 10:44 PM, Wulfy wrote: > My old printer died on me... so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer > assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver... alas, no such luck. > > I was encouraged when the print manager showed the new printer and even > got its type tight! When I asked it to print a test page, the lights > flashed and the rollers whirred, but no paper went through and no > printing... :@( > > The driver was for the iP2000 series (I have an iP12500) so I thought > I'd go to the Canon site and download the driver from there > (cnijfilter-common-2.70-2.src.rpm). It was an .rpm file so > I installed alien (and a bunch of other dependencies) and told it to > convert and install. It bombed out saying that there was no target for > my architecture - it was for i386 and I have amd64 installed (Kubuntu, > though that makes no difference, does it? Drivers are the same for all > flavours of *buntu?). ... Save yourself, time, money (time is money), and aggravation, and spend a few dollars/euros more and buy TurboPrint: http://www.turboprint.info/ http://www.turboprint.info/printers_Canon.html You can try before you buy. I've tried all forms of drivers for my Canon (MP750), including guteprint et al, and *always* go back to using TurboPrint. Best $40 that I've spent for a linux program. From hdf3 at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 22:15:24 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:15:24 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> Norberto Bensa wrote: > I would assume that 64bit kernels are LBS and LFS by default but I may be wrong. > > On 3/16/09, don fisher wrote: >> Matthew Flaschen wrote: >>> Norberto Bensa wrote: >>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: >>>>> If you're using server kernels, then I have no idea. >>>> Oh. I've found this: >>>> >>>> http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html >>>> >>>> So you need to tell mkfs.ext to use 8KB blocks >>> As that page says, 8KB blocks are only available on Alpha, which I doubt >>> Don has. >>> >>>> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 should give you a 16TB filesystem >>> 4096 bytes is 4 KB. Luckily, that is sufficient for a 10 TB filesystem >>> (max of 16 TB with that option). >>> >>> Matt Flaschen >>> >> The kernel does not have LBD (support for large block devices) or LSF >> (support for large single files) enabled. Examination of the configure >> dependencies shows they are both dependent on !64BIT. My machine is >> 64BIT, so these are available as configurable options. >> >> In the past, under Fedora, these both were enable and my option was Y. I >> do not know if LBD and LSF are patches to let 32BIT machines handle >> large files or a bug in the kernel. The same definition exists in the >> latest at kernel.org. >> >> I have been doing science for awhile, so have forgotten a lot of the >> details. And the switch from Fedora to Ubuntu has complicated the >> situation a bit. I do not remember how the limits on file system size >> are reflected in the work size. >> >> Don >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | >> | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | >> | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > I will post progress when I get somewhere. I have tried to build a new kernel from the online source, but it will not boot. The screen goes by so fast I cannot se what the problem is. I need to connect my laptop to the serial port, set the boot param, and find out what was wrong. I included ext3, my sata driver etc. into the kernel. I might have missed something. don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From anothermindbomb at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 22:38:39 2009 From: anothermindbomb at gmail.com (Steve Flynn) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:38:39 +0000 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BDF1EB.6080102@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49BD4CEA.6030904@lab.vectoris.fr> <45391f280903151220v563df410v4b552c0869b8276c@mail.gmail.com> <49BDF1EB.6080102@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <45391f280903161538h57473007hbd0742e4d15c442d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > Steve Flynn wrote: >> Really, If you don't have anything constructive to add > > Did you? No - I had no reason to as the pertinent points had already been covered by Chris and Norberto. Your contribution did nothing other than to belittle the original poster by telling them that they were "wrong". The irony is, of course, that this is the "wrong" message to give out to people who take the trouble to post to this particular list. Please bear this in mind when replying to posterson this list - being flippant is never a good thing. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 22:50:40 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:50:40 -0600 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <45391f280903161538h57473007hbd0742e4d15c442d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD4CEA.6030904@lab.vectoris.fr> <45391f280903151220v563df410v4b552c0869b8276c@mail.gmail.com> <49BDF1EB.6080102@lab.vectoris.fr> <45391f280903161538h57473007hbd0742e4d15c442d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BED7C0.7040007@gmail.com> Steve Flynn wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) > wrote: > >> Steve Flynn wrote: >> >>> Really, If you don't have anything constructive to add >>> >> Did you? >> > > > No - I had no reason to as the pertinent points had already been > covered by Chris and Norberto. > > Your contribution did nothing other than to belittle the original > poster by telling them that they were "wrong". The irony is, of > course, that this is the "wrong" message to give out to people who > take the trouble to post to this particular list. Please bear this in > mind when replying to posterson this list - being flippant is never a > good thing. > > Really there is no reason to remove Ubuntu. With your windows CD-Rom put that into your computer and when it comes up tell it to install. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From anothermindbomb at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 23:07:11 2009 From: anothermindbomb at gmail.com (Steve Flynn) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:07:11 +0000 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45391f280903161607y72b6a6b9je1c2a779a84b4557@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Thufir wrote: > I think that this process is causing problems: > thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo kill 5088 -9 > kill: No such process This tries to kill process -9 (which definitely won't exist) with signal 5088 (which definitely won't exist). You really meant "kill -9 5088" -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 23:10:16 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:10:16 -0700 Subject: Fwd: how to access any pc in remote location In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903160706m602810c0y3addce1780e29223@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903160249nebf6295pe35f5ab23a0a79dc@mail.gmail.com> <699729.72406.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <930ea9d10903160706m602810c0y3addce1780e29223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/16/2009 07:06 AM, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jiten jha > Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:04 > Subject: Re: how to access any pc in remote location > To: Vincent Arnoux > > > no he is running windows and i do not know him pc ip address i just > trace her ip using trace software but i got only DSL ip then how can i > access If he is running Windows, you can have him turn on RDP[1] and then use: Applications|Internet|Terminal Server Client[2]. He can tell you his IP by http://whatsmyip.org/ (or trace as you've already done). [1] [2] [vidos on how to use] Alternately, you can have him install UltraVNC (http://www.uvnc.com/) and then use the VNC option in Terminal Server Client instead of RDP. It's opensource and free; it's also what I install for most of my windows customers. From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 23:18:44 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: killing a process (again), ports References: <200903162104.43817.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:43 +0100, Nils Kassube wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo kill 5088 -9 >> kill: No such process > > There is no process -9. I suppose you meant: > > sudo kill -9 5088 > > > Nils Are you sure it matters? thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire 5461 ? 00:00:04 firefox thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ kill 5461 -9 bash: kill: (-9) - No such process thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire thufir at arrakis:~$ Generally, I think you can put the switches before or after the argument (if I'm using the correct terminology). At least, I generally find that I can move them around. I think that the process which I was describing is somehow "different" than a normal process. -Thufir From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 23:24:16 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:24:16 -0700 Subject: Half OT/ How to remove a virus on windows using Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BBCCF2.10108@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On 03/14/2009 08:39 AM, Ashley Benton wrote: > > I didn't know I had to look for i386 but I found a i386 folder with .dll and > .sys. .cab and .ax files can that help? and how? as I say I am using only > Ubuntu and don't have any idea how Windows works except system restore and > reinstall. Then please do your neighbor a favor and immediately return the drive to the neighbor's computer. Then if you want to continue to have a friendly relationship with the neighbor, help him find a competent tech to do the work. Seriously! From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Mar 16 23:34:09 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:34:09 +1100 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: References: <200903162104.43817.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1237246450.32729.61.camel@karl> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 23:18 +0000, Thufir wrote: > Are you sure it matters? > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire > 5461 ? 00:00:04 firefox > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ kill 5461 -9 > bash: kill: (-9) - No such process > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire > thufir at arrakis:~$ Yes it does matter. What happened in the above case was that kill sent firefox the default signal type (SIGTERM) which caused firefix to terminate, then failed to kill process number "-9" because there was no such process ID. Sometimes you need to use a particular signal type. In that case, put the signal type option first, then the list of process IDs to kill. Otherwise you will send your processes the default signal type, which may have an undesirable (or no) effect. The man pages for such programs are usually very clear on where the options belong. There is rarely any need to guess. In kill's case, this is the syntax: kill [ -signal | -s signal ] pid ... In general, use the default unless you have a specific reason to use something else. TERM gives programs a chance to clean up and exit gracefully, KILL (which is what -9 is) does not. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The irony is, of > course, that this is the "wrong" message to give out to people who > take the trouble to post to this particular list. Please bear this in > mind when replying to posters on this list - being flippant is never a > good thing. > > > Steve > When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many > people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 As someone who was critically challenged at the on-set of this Linux learning curve I would like to offer a bit of advice to the newbie attempting to resolve their Linux concerns. In my estimation if one sees Linux as an adventure and decides from the get-go that he or she will come in contact with all sorts of users some sadly need these lists as a platform because of the emotional baggage they harbor and it gives them great joy to be a source of frustration to the newbie. However to avoid this type of thing I look for and usually find with time the other type of user. The helpful user with empathy who remember when they were new and offers sincere help and guidance. And I take advantage I guess and use these helpful folks as a mentor. Plus its amazing how many great folks there are out there. I have triple boot, no windows and I have also discovered some lists are more prone to be representative of their particular list then others. Allen Meyers Ubuntu, Debian, Suse user > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Allen Meyers texas.chef94 at gmail.com The ability to comfortably use a computer is directly proportional to desire to listen, learn, and experiment, and is inversely proportional to the fear, anger, and stubbornness that you show. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Mon Mar 16 23:37:58 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:58 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:02:04 -0700, don fisher wrote: > > >> I will do that. But I am curious. Do you know why that is termed "proper >> etiquette"? The mail reader I use, Thunderbird, opens an email at the top. >> Is is a bit annoying have to scroll to the end to find the reply. >> >> > > The short answer is that it has been established etiquette since before > Ubuntu and Thunderbird were born. > > For a longer answer: > > A search engine can be your friend. These are the first three hits I got: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style > http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html > http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html > > For further fun you might search the archives of this list for threads > about the issue, lots of opinions to read. > Hello, Where Thunderbird starts a new message in relation to the quoted material in a reply is easy to change. Go to Edit, Account Setting, then in that dailog, select the "Composition and Addressing" line in the tree on the left side under the account you wish to change the behavior for. Now, on the right side of the Account Settings dialog you will see a check box next to the label "Automatically quote the original message when replying". Make sure that is marked, then right below it there are two drop down selection lists that will allow you to specify where to place your reply and signature block in relation to the quoted material. Also, if you do not consider Add Ons to be insecure, there are two for Thunderbird which make reading text emails with quoted material a much nicer experience. One is called "Quote Collapse", and the other is "Quote Colors". Quote Collapse collapses each level of quoted material into one line with a border around it, and a plus sign which expands that section to it's original size when clicked in case you want to re-read it. After you install it, it is necessary to use it's Preferences to set it to use a border line on all sides of the quoted sections. You don't have to, but it makes it easier to see. Quote Colors will then allow you to specify a separate color for each level of quoting, which makes it much easier to tell who's saying what when there are several levels of quoting in a post. To get these Add Ons you simply use the menu entry Tools, Add Ons, then do a search on their names when you get to the Add On interface. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From anothermindbomb at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 23:41:04 2009 From: anothermindbomb at gmail.com (Steve Flynn) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:41:04 +0000 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: References: <200903162104.43817.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <45391f280903161641x68b2845cs4e88dbb1aa151c1c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Thufir wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:04:43 +0100, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Thufir wrote: >>> thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo kill 5088 -9 >>> kill: No such process >> >> There is no process -9. I suppose you meant: >> >> sudo kill -9 5088 >> >> >> Nils > > > Are you sure it matters? > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire >  5461 ?        00:00:04 firefox > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ kill 5461 -9 > bash: kill: (-9) - No such process > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ ps -ae | grep fire > thufir at arrakis:~$ > > > > > Generally, I think you can put the switches before or after the argument > (if I'm using the correct terminology).  At least, I generally find that > I can move them around. kill [ -signal | -s signal ] pid ... The default signal for kill is TERM. Use -l or -L to list available signals. Particularly useful signals include HUP, INT, KILL, STOP, CONT, and 0. Alternate signals may be specified in three ways: -9 -SIGKILL -KILL. Negative PID values may be used to choose whole process groups; see the PGID column in ps command output. A PID of -1 is special; it indicates all processes except the kill process itself and init. As you specified a -9 value, the assumption on this list would generally be that you want to send a -9 (kill) signal to process 5088. What you are actually doing with you command is sending a SIGTERM signal to processes 5088 and -9.... which we would presume is not what you intended. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 16 23:42:31 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:42:31 -0300 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <7990339.sIhf6ljxVc@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:58 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> I'd strongly vote in favor of emulation for doing development work with >> visual studio, > > "Emulation"? Emulate what? I have got to cut down on the drinking. I read "Emasculate what"... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 16 23:40:52 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:40:52 -0300 Subject: killing a process (again), ports References: Message-ID: <2839328.vetCIfGBQ1@cedar.serverforest.com> Thufir wrote: > I think that this process is causing problems: > > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo ps -ae | grep 5088 > 5088 ? 00:02:14 java > thufir at arrakis:~$ > thufir at arrakis:~$ sudo netstat -tanp | grep 80 > tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:8006 :::* > LISTEN 5088/java > tcp6 0 0 :::8009 :::* > LISTEN 5088/java > tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* > LISTEN 5088/java > So, how do I free up that port? Yes, I can change the port which tomcat > runs on, but I'd rather just free up the port. It gets "stuck" and the > only way I can unfreeze this is to reboot. 8009 is tomcat's load balancer, so it would seem to be tomcat... "ps -ae" isn't telling you enough - I don't use the GNU opts there, but I'd use "ps aux" which would have given the actual command line. As Nils points out (and as we discussed a week or two ago) the -9 option, unlike with standard GNU getopts, has to be before the process ID in kill. -- derek From crp at cmc.net Tue Mar 17 00:26:55 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:26:55 -0700 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> Stephen wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >> Dear All >> >> Kubuntu 8.10 >> >> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >> text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: >> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >> >> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >> have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. >> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >> improved performance. >> >> I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the >> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >> reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> Stephen >> >> > > Dear All > > This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some > suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X > at start up makes no difference to the display. > > I still have the problems of > 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen > Resize & Rotate. > 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off > the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits > 3) Windows render slowly > 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a > size that I can read - it is all too small > 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a > wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. > But I cannot access the display options to change it. > > I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the > onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics > card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already > configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. > One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned > onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. > > I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any > recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not > have to be fiddled with. > > I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not > sure what it is. > > Any recommendations welcomed. > > Stephen > Hello, Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's currently assigned to the video card. This is way too low, and you should be able to change that setting right there where it's displayed in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, and go all the way up to 256 MB's. Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, all with no problems whatsoever. When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for the video card and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have the gray out problem. An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your changes to the xorg.conf file. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 00:35:39 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:35:39 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:15 PM, don fisher wrote: > I will post progress when I get somewhere. I have tried to build a new > kernel from the online source, but it will not boot. The screen goes by have you tried mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 as I posted earlier? From evuraan at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 00:39:39 2009 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RXZ1cmFhbjo64LSP4LS14LWC4LSw4LS+4LSo4LWN4oCNIA==?=) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:39:39 -0700 Subject: how to configure local repository In-Reply-To: <49BE93F2.3030405@dinamis.com> References: <297712.26531.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <49BE93F2.3030405@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <6fbcd0710903161739n3027bf03w283d424e1bb57c46@mail.gmail.com> tried apt-cache then moved onto apt-cacher. then i chose to setup squid proxy and route all apt clients thru this proxy. I cant complain.! :) 2009/3/16 CLIFFORD ILKAY : > jiten jha wrote: >> Dear friends, >>                     If i am install any software then i just want that >> when i am install software then that software install in my local >> repository do not go to ubuntu repository. If the software is not in my >> local repository after that it will search ubuntu or any other >> repository . I mean that i just want to setup my local repository. >> When every i install software then it is search first my local >> repository after that other. plz help me > > I use apt-cacher to do this and I'm quite happy with. I wasted a lot of > time trying to get apt-proxy working on 8.04 but it was broken. Set up > the "path_map" in /etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf so that you can point > to localhost for your repo sources. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada  M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:01:19 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BEF65F.80006@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > I started a thread just the other day on Kubuntu list of VMware VS > Virtualbox and it is still going strong. You might find some good info > there too. > Thanks for the suggestion! Mark From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:02:00 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> <1237232584.13857.3.camel@chronic> <49BEAD98.6060402@chrononomicon.com> <1237233954.13857.5.camel@chronic> <49BEB29D.9090803@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BEF688.6020106@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > >> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:50 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >>> Using Virtualbox or VMWare. Sorry, thought that was already covered >>> previously in the thread. >>> >> It was, but the term "emulation" confused me. >> > > Okay, virtualization :-p > > Thanks for the suggestion! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:05:21 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:05:21 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BEF751.9080000@gmail.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 03:47 -0400, Mark Pyles wrote: > >> Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install >> after installing Wine. >> > > Visual Studio is known not to work, not even in the commercial Wine > version, Crossover: > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ad3pym > > Your only option will be to install Windows in a virtualized environment > (using VirtualBox or vmware) and install Visual Studio inside Windows. > > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > > > Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:06:03 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:06:03 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BCE021.3080504@writeme.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> <49BCE021.3080504@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49BEF77B.8090001@gmail.com> Stephen wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > >> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 03:47 -0400, Mark Pyles wrote: >> >>> Thank you for your help. Unfortunately my program would not install >>> after installing Wine. >>> >> Visual Studio is known not to work, not even in the commercial Wine >> version, Crossover: >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ad3pym >> >> Your only option will be to install Windows in a virtualized environment >> (using VirtualBox or vmware) and install Visual Studio inside Windows. >> >> >> > > I use a commercial application called Win4lin Pro (win4lin.com) on my > 8.04 laptop and my 8.10 pc. I costs a little less than VMWARE, has > excellent technical support. > > Your install the application at the the command line, run a graphical > installer where you insert the Windows CD. You end up with a graphical > user inteface where you can start and stop your windows session, make > back up of Windows and all the applications you have installed, > adjust/fine tune your windows sessions. But the best bit is that the > applications you have in Win4lin/Windows can be started and run without > have a windows session on-screen, so these applications look as though > they are running independently of Windows. Because this is a near > native Windows environment I have not found anything that does not work. > I use Visio, Office 2K, CSE HTML Validator, Paint Shop Pro, Swish Max. > > I have re-installed this application several times as I change > machines. I keep step by step notes on how to install and you could > have these if you go ahead. (not sure if you need them of course). > > Good luck > > Stephen > > Thanks for the suggestion! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. >>>> > > If you have an new PC including enough RAM, you might use VirtualBox running > Windows and MS Visual Studio in it. It`s a virtualization software. > You should use the original VirtualBox debs. > > Download: > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads > > Help: > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/End-user_documentation > > Micha > > > Thanks for the suggestion! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 01:22:38 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:22:38 -0700 Subject: Modem on Presario 2100 and i386 questions In-Reply-To: <8691AC59-E057-44E1-8929-E2BB84A5A20C@copper.net> References: <8691AC59-E057-44E1-8929-E2BB84A5A20C@copper.net> Message-ID: On 03/15/2009 04:06 PM, Craig Bakalian wrote: > ALi Corparation M5457 AC '97 Modem You may be able to get it to work my checking your System|Administration|Hardware Drivers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/130517 [Cannot get working ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller] also: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=M5457+AC'97+Modem+ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto http://rzr.online.fr/docs/comp/modem.htm http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/ From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:29:39 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:29:39 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49BEFD03.2070407@gmail.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:57 +0100, Mahesh R wrote: > >> You can use Wine. Its more simple >> > > I you read the thread you will find that we have already established > that MS Visual Studio (the software Mark wants to run) does not work > with Wine. > > > Hi Mario: You are absolutely right. Thanks. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfpyles at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 01:30:37 2009 From: markfpyles at gmail.com (Mark Pyles) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:30:37 -0400 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 In-Reply-To: <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <2757a8ab0903160612t62a8c908i1645d59398fdff8f@mail.gmail.com> <947668e00903160657s4ed06b39n819b2c89194c3e38@mail.gmail.com> <1237229040.13857.0.camel@chronic> <49BEA153.500@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49BEFD3D.8050603@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > >> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:57 +0100, Mahesh R wrote: >> >>> You can use Wine. Its more simple >>> >> I you read the thread you will find that we have already established >> that MS Visual Studio (the software Mark wants to run) does not work >> with Wine. >> > > I'd strongly vote in favor of emulation for doing development work with > visual studio, or nix it and go with REALbasic which is cross-platform > and has a native compiler for Linux. > > The personal edition is free for Linux users last I checked. Doesn't do > .NET, but it will create native executables for Windows, OS X, and > Linux, 32 bit. > > -Bart > > Hi Bart: Thanks for the suggestion! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 01:43:12 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:43:12 -0700 Subject: Gnome and task execution timing In-Reply-To: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> References: <49BADF50.4020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 03/13/2009 03:33 PM, don fisher wrote: > I am running a code to locate Near Earth Objects in astronomical CCD > images. One element of the pipeline is a package called sextractor, that > is also available as a deb package. > > I am running Ubuntu 8.10. > > My problem is that running gdm/gnome desktop appears to cost a factor of > two in execution time. I have an 8 processor 16 core Opteron system with > 32GB of ram. I would not have expected my application to be in > competition with the gnome/gdm. And I could seen no competition with > free or xosview tools. The code is executed from a remote machine via > ssh, so there is no activity required by the local X environment. > > The following is the output from sextractor taken under gnome/gdm, then > rebooted under fvwm. I'm not sure if this is related, but you might want to check: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sextractor The one bug listed there seems to indicate that the .deb package was not properly compiled: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sextractor/+bug/283142 I was able to fix the problem simply by rebuilding the sextractor package, *without any changes to the source*, with current hardy compilers and build tools (I used pbuilder). My guess is that the i386 deb that is currently in the Ubuntu archive for hardy was miscompiled. And given that Intrepid uses the same package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sextractor that may be part of the problem? [No clue as I've never used it. But it might be worth looking into & filing a bug] From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 17 01:53:53 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:53:53 +0000 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> <49BD7E5B.7050505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <49BF02B1.2020901@tiscali.co.uk> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wulfy wrote: > [...] > >> Normally I only install debs so the package manager can look after >> updates and such, but I need this driver or I have a nice black shiny >> paper-weight! I'm not shy about using the Konsole and compiling but a >> chroot has never really made any sense to me. I don't think I could >> pull that off... :@( >> > > It's not quite as hard as it sounds - a chroot is just a sort of "fake > root directory". Then again, if you converted the RPM to DEB inside > the chroot, I'm not entirely sure it would install cleanly in your > 64-bit system. > I think I'd have to --force-arch... I dislike forcing things. Too many ways things can go SNAFU... :@( > >> The .src package seems to have everything the .i386 packages have but >> not compiled. I was wondering if the scripts could be tweaked to use >> the compiler I have and give me a 64-bit solution? I haven't checked >> all the folders but the ones I have looked in seem to have .c anf .h >> files in so should be compilable in a 64-bit environment. Would this >> involve only changing the targets from i386 to amd64? The only thing I >> can think of that may be a problem is if there's some assembler level >> programming... >> > > I did the following: > 1. Extracted the RPM (right-click - extract here) > Hmmm.. Ark gave me an error trying to unpack it. I used alien -g... > 2. Entered the folder in terminal > 3. Typed make > 4. Based on the error, I went into the subdirectory and typed > ./autogen.sh, then make > 5. I did stems 3 and 4 three more times > I did this and some directories configure OK, some gasve lots of warnings and some errors... > At that point, it looked like all of the pieces had been compiled, but > they needed to be installed in the proper places. I tried using the > "checkinstall" program to roll a DEB file, but had no luck - I did not > go any further. > > I'm not really that familiar with Debian's packaging system - perhaps > you can ask someone who is to manually convert the source RPM into a > DEB file? > I'll have to ask around. Not sure I know anyone who could do it... :@( > Chris > > Thanks, Chris. I appreciate your help. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Tue Mar 17 02:13:29 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:13:29 +0000 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <49BF0749.7050403@tiscali.co.uk> Wulfy wrote: > My old printer died on me... so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer > assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver... alas, no such luck. I looked on the Ubuntu Wiki to see what printers were supported. I found this page: Just about every printer in the Canon range *except* mine! :@( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 02:25:28 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:25:28 +1000 Subject: ethernet Q Message-ID: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Guys I had a motherboard blow on a computer a few weeks back and finally got the system rebuilt with a new mobo. However the ethernet connection is now seen as eth1 instead of eth0 and on various reboots ubuntu is not seeing it at all. I suspect it has something to do with the new assigment and so am wondering where I might look to edit things so as to edit out the old ethernet assignment since that adapter no longer exists and what do I need to watch out for if taking this road Thx James From stephen_o at rogers.com Tue Mar 17 03:29:58 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:29:58 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <155758.67419.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <155758.67419.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BF1936.2000505@rogers.com> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > It's been many years since I've set up a win modem and used one. However, you might try creating the missing file /dev/slamr0 as the error message states and try again the install. Just a thought, no guarantees but creating the file certainly wont hurt anything and can be removed if not successful. > > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen wrote: > > Thanks for the reply I'll give it a try. When I had this computer custom made I requested a modem, not windows garbage. None of what I wanted is in the computer. Except I ended up with a 500 gig hard drive instead of the 250 that I ordered. The place was Computer Direct on Dundas between Tomken road and Dixie, Mississauga Ontario. I would warn any one from buying a custom system from them. As soon as they get your money you don't exist any more. Stephen Oulton From hensandpat at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 02:33:00 2009 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:33:00 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> James Takac wrote: > Hi Yelna > > On Saturday 14 March 2009 17:14:34 Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: > >> Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good >> with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on >> the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from >> what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and >> forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Yelena >> >> > > The simplest way would be to just install windows from the cd and choose to > use the entire disk. That'll effectively wipe ubuntu and grub from your drive > > James > > /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 02:37:17 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:37:17 -0300 Subject: ethernet Q In-Reply-To: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903161937p25229e5drf30ac2a7cf1ed7a0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:25 PM, James Takac wrote: > Hi Guys > > I had a motherboard blow on a computer a few weeks back and finally got the > system rebuilt with a new mobo. However the ethernet connection is now seen > as eth1 instead of eth0 and on various reboots ubuntu is not seeing it at sudo rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules sudo reboot From stephen_o at rogers.com Tue Mar 17 03:37:14 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:37:14 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <9b06e8d20903160255vc65b3ecqc7744d49ddfa16af@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BDE7C1.9080206@rogers.com> <9b06e8d20903160255vc65b3ecqc7744d49ddfa16af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF1AEA.2050003@rogers.com> Loïc Grenié wrote: > 2009/3/16 Stephen : > >> Hello >> >> My modem is a SM56 data/fax by Motorola. I have been trying to get it >> set up so I can send and receive faxes. I found some information about >> slamr(kernal) but I can't seem to find any more info. >> >> I have downloaded slamr-2.6.27-11-generic with the install instructions. >> Every time I try to install it I get a bunch of errors and it doesn't >> work. I downloaded slamr-2.6.27-7-generic and booted my system with >> kernal 2.6.27-7 and I get an error message that I need the 64bit >> version. I did a google search and couldn't find any 64 bit modem drivers. >> > > As far as I understand, slamr is a closed-source 32-bit only driver. > Since you have a 64-bit kernel, you need a 64-bit driver, thus this one > won't work (this is what the message > FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem > (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid > module format > means). You may be able to use 64-bit windows drivers with ndiswrapper > but I wouldn't bet anything... > > Sorry, > > Loïc > Thanks Loïc Thats the message that I received when I booted with kernal 2.6.27-7-generic That version actually told me I need the 64 bit version. Thanks again for the Help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hdf3 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 02:55:41 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:55:41 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:15 PM, don fisher wrote: >> I will post progress when I get somewhere. I have tried to build a new >> kernel from the online source, but it will not boot. The screen goes by > > have you tried mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 as I posted earlier? > The output from the suggested command is listed below, flowed by the df of the mounted still 2TB file system. sudo mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/sda1 mke2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=4096 (log=2) Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 134217728 inodes, 536870202 blocks 26843510 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296 16384 block groups 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 8192 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208, 4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 20480000, 23887872, 71663616, 78675968, 102400000, 214990848, 512000000 Writing inode tables: done Creating journal (32768 blocks): done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done This filesystem will be automatically checked every 22 mounts or 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. df /dev/sda1 2.0T 199M 1.9T 1% /usr1 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 03:03:39 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:03:39 +1000 Subject: ethernet Q In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903161937p25229e5drf30ac2a7cf1ed7a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <84250c9c0903161937p25229e5drf30ac2a7cf1ed7a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903171303.40184.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Norberto On Tuesday 17 March 2009 12:37:17 Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:25 PM, James Takac wrote: > > Hi Guys > > > > I had a motherboard blow on a computer a few weeks back and finally got > > the system rebuilt with a new mobo. However the ethernet connection is > > now seen as eth1 instead of eth0 and on various reboots ubuntu is not > > seeing it at > > sudo rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules > sudo reboot Just gave it a go. It certainly has the interface back to being seen as eth0 which is what I'd expect being that it's the only interface physically there. So far so good so I'll keep an eye on it to make sure there are no other issues needing to be resolved. Thx James From ender8282 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 03:16:15 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:16:15 -0700 Subject: Resolution problems Message-ID: <49BF15FF.3030407@yahoo.com> I am trying to set up a media center computer with mythbuntu. I have a nVidia GeForce 8400gs card (and the nvidia restricted driver) driving a Samsung 1080i TV. The problem is that the TV crops all four sides of output. What do I need to fix the output so that I don't loose any of the sides of the screen? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 17 03:54:01 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: proxy working Message-ID: <831673.95073.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                    I just want to know that when ever i using free proxy then my inter net not working and even any sites also not open. then how can i open block site and why my sites are not open. I am using fire fox . How can i open Block sites . And why we use free proxy . what is the need of free proxy . if use free proxy then how it work and when i m using free proxy then why my inter net not working. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I have 64bit processors...Intel Core 2 DUO T5850)I tried the 32-bit version and it works fine, but i want the 64-bit so i can utilise all of my RAM. Weixuan > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0600 > From: klarsen1 at gmail.com > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu > > Weixuan Li wrote: >> Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any change to my computer, check CD for defects, > You better check the CD for defects first. That eliminates a bad CD > as the problem. > >> memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? >> Cheers,Weixuan >> >> > Tell us what version your loading as well. > > Karl > >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Find out what’s new with your friends Download the new Windows Live Messenger >> http://download.live.com/ >> > > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area. 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(I have 64bit processors...Intel Core 2 DUO > T5850) > I tried the 32-bit version and it works fine, but i want the 64-bit so i can > utilise all of my RAM. > Weixuan > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0600 >> From: klarsen1 at gmail.com >> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu >> >> Weixuan Li wrote: >>> Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to >>> make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB >>> of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the >>> menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any >>> change to my computer, check CD for defects, >> You better check the CD for defects first. That eliminates a bad CD >> as the problem. >> >>> memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen >>> and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix >>> this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? >>> Cheers,Weixuan >>> >>> >> Tell us what version your loading as well. >> >> Karl >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Find out what’s new with your friends Download the new Windows Live >>> Messenger >>> http://download.live.com/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >> Linux User >> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > ________________________________ > Get what you want at ebay. View photos of singles in your area > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > Have you tried to burn another CD at the lowest possible speed? And just out of curiosity, how big is your RAM? (Please post your replies at the lower part of the message, not in the top part. Thanks.) L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From mirjafarali at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 05:13:39 2009 From: mirjafarali at gmail.com (MirJafar Ali) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:43:39 +0530 Subject: Distributed System with Ubuntu Message-ID: Hello, I would like to develop some distributed systems applications but at home, I have only one machine running ubuntu. Has anybody tried VirtualBox to simulate distributed system ( 8-32 nodes) on Ubuntu ? 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There seems to be too many > Virtualization Software, > which one have low memory footprint which should allow 8-32 nodes on my 8 > GB RAM machine. > > Thanks. > > Mirjafar > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > If they are based on linux, I recommend OpenVZ, windows: KVM -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Tue Mar 17 05:38:07 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:38:07 -0400 Subject: Distributed System with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BF373F.6050002@dinamis.com> MirJafar Ali wrote: > Can someone suggest best way to do ? There seems to be too many > Virtualization Software, > which one have low memory footprint which should allow 8-32 nodes on my > 8 GB RAM machine. I second Victor Padro's recommendation for OpenVZ. It's very easy to set up, lightweight, and very easy to create virtual machines. With 8GB of RAM, you'll have no problem running 32 nodes. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 05:42:36 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <49BF1936.2000505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <724638.88449.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen wrote: > From: Stephen > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:29 PM > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > It's been many years since I've set up a win > modem and used one. However, you might try creating the > missing file /dev/slamr0 as the error message states and try > again the install. Just a thought, no guarantees but > creating the file certainly wont hurt anything and can be > removed if not successful. > > > > Leonard Chatagnier > > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the reply I'll give it a try. > > When I had this computer custom made I requested a modem, > not windows > garbage. None of what I wanted is in the computer. Except I > ended up > with a 500 gig hard drive instead of the 250 that I > ordered. The place > was Computer Direct on Dundas between Tomken road and > Dixie, Mississauga > Ontario. I would warn any one from buying a custom system > from them. As > soon as they get your money you don't exist any more. > > Thanks for the info but I usually go with BestBuy in the USA as they are about the lowest price and you can get them to get the warranty service started. Don't give up on the winmodem(software modem) as most can be made to work in Linux. It's been a long while but AIR, the Conexant site had a lot of info to get you started. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 17 05:59:34 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:59:34 +0300 Subject: proxy working In-Reply-To: <831673.95073.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <831673.95073.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BF3C46.1060407@lab.vectoris.fr> Change your keyboard, first, it inserts blank space anywhere. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:20:10 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:20:10 +0200 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 Message-ID: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> If I have a Jaunty alpha 5 system, and I want to start testing alpha 6, is it enough to apt-get upgrade or must I reinstall from an alpha 6 disk? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 17 06:24:18 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:24:18 +0300 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF4212.7090106@lab.vectoris.fr> Dotan Cohen wrote: > is it enough to apt-get upgrade ... ? Yes. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From dfox94085 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:26:14 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:14 -0700 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > If I have a Jaunty alpha 5 system, and I want to start testing alpha > 6, is it enough to apt-get upgrade or must I reinstall from an alpha 6 All you really need to do is apt-get update and apt-get update, and you'll end up with something that's slightly newer than alpha 6. I downloaded an older version of jaunty alpha, but I never used it in the actual install, I just upgraded my laptop some time ago (and upgraded my desktop from intrepid about a week or so ago) with update-manager -d and both my systems are tracking Jaunty now. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From dfox94085 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:27:22 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:27:22 -0700 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903162327u19740178r7d8c333cea8ecf3c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:26 PM, David Fox wrote: > All you really need to do is apt-get update and apt-get update, and > you'll end up with something that's slightly newer than alpha 6. oops, the second 'update' should of course be 'upgrade'. D'oh. > -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 17 06:40:58 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:40:58 +0300 Subject: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> David Fox wrote: > the actual install I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... Could you just please use current/currently instead? -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:45:19 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:45:19 +0200 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903162327u19740178r7d8c333cea8ecf3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162327u19740178r7d8c333cea8ecf3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903162345sca28bf9u47550e555d35f972@mail.gmail.com> Can I assume that this will be the case going into the betas as and RC's as well? The final install I will do from a release disk, unless list members can confirm that the system can be safely upgraded all the way to release. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 17 06:43:19 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:43:19 +0100 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903170743.19418.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > If I have a Jaunty alpha 5 system, and I want to start testing alpha > 6, is it enough to apt-get upgrade or must I reinstall from an alpha > 6 disk? Unless you want to test the programs which are only part of the CD (installer etc.), "apt-get upgrade" is enough. Nils From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 17 06:53:14 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:53:14 +0300 Subject: Distributed System with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BF373F.6050002@dinamis.com> References: <49BF373F.6050002@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49BF48DA.8090606@lab.vectoris.fr> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I second Victor Padro's recommendation for OpenVZ. I second him for his KVM advice. I experienced it and I find it easier. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From weixuanli at hotmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:53:48 2009 From: weixuanli at hotmail.com (Weixuan Li) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:53:48 +0000 Subject: Installation problems with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49BE3A16.1080602@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:56:09 -0300 > Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu > From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > 2009/3/17 Weixuan Li : >> I'm using the amd64 version. (I have 64bit processors...Intel Core 2 DUO >> T5850) >> I tried the 32-bit version and it works fine, but i want the 64-bit so i can >> utilise all of my RAM. >> Weixuan >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0600 >>> From: klarsen1 at gmail.com >>> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu >>> >>> Weixuan Li wrote: >>>> Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to >>>> make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have 150GB >>>> of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and the >>>> menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any >>>> change to my computer, check CD for defects, >>> You better check the CD for defects first. That eliminates a bad CD >>> as the problem. >>> >>>> memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black screen >>>> and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to fix >>>> this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? >>>> Cheers,Weixuan >>>> >>>> >>> Tell us what version your loading as well. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Find out what’s new with your friends Download the new Windows Live >>>> Messenger >>>> http://download.live.com/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >>> Linux User >>> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >>> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> ________________________________ >> Get what you want at ebay. 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URL: From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Tue Mar 17 07:13:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:13:03 +0100 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237273983.13857.7.camel@chronic> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 08:20 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > apt-get upgrade dist-upgrade, most likely (some packages probably will have to be removed) but otherwise, yes. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Tue Mar 17 07:18:53 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:18:53 +0100 Subject: OT Re: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <1237274333.13857.13.camel@chronic> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:40 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > > I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... > Could you just please use current/currently instead? Dude, 1. Needless grammar corrections are usually considered impolite. 2. He used the word "actual" correctly, as in "existing in act and not merely potentially". 3. "Actual" can also be a synonym for current, depending on context: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actual From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Tue Mar 17 07:19:22 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:19:22 +0100 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162345sca28bf9u47550e555d35f972@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162327u19740178r7d8c333cea8ecf3c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903162345sca28bf9u47550e555d35f972@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237274362.13857.14.camel@chronic> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 08:45 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Can I assume that this will be the case going into the betas as and > RC's as well? Yes > The final install I will do from a release disk, unless > list members can confirm that the system can be safely upgraded all > the way to release. It should be From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:30:49 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:30:49 +0200 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <1237273983.13857.7.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <1237273983.13857.7.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903170030x646a54d3i3285500c12e3931@mail.gmail.com> >> apt-get upgrade > > dist-upgrade, most likely (some packages probably will have to be > removed) but otherwise, yes. > Thanks, there were an additional 33 upgraded packages with dist-upgrade. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 07:37:13 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:37:13 +0200 Subject: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00903170037y7bc63dc8j69101a2b1f0b0a68@mail.gmail.com> > David Fox wrote: >> the actual install > > I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... > Could you just please use current/currently instead? > Would you please post a link to the actual definition of the word? I do not see how it was misused, but I am not a native speaker. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 17 07:49:27 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:49:27 +0300 Subject: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170037y7bc63dc8j69101a2b1f0b0a68@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> <880dece00903170037y7bc63dc8j69101a2b1f0b0a68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BF5607.9080208@lab.vectoris.fr> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> David Fox wrote: >>> the actual install >> I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... >> Could you just please use current/currently instead? > Would you please post a link to the actual definition of the word? I > do not see how it was misused, but I am not a native speaker. Thanks. Just giveup, I was wrong (not the best place to talk about it && "actual" may be used as a replacement to "current") Sorry. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 08:23:49 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:23:49 -0700 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:54 -0600, James T Snell wrote: >[...(stuff about power manager naming conventions)] > > I already submitted this as a bug, but I was told to instead comment on > this here. > While I don't disagree with you, and I am also quite a picky person about terms and being precise, what the other posters have stated also makes sense. Different people interpret terms in different ways and translations to other languages adds another level of complexity for the developers when choosing how to name items. There is also the aspect of history and what has been accepted over time (I think of that as static momentum). But, where did you submit your wishlist bug? If to Ubuntu, I doubt it would go anywhere. Something like that would probably have to come from upstream not a derivative. Doubt you'd have any more luck there though. After next month there will probably be more meaty issues to discuss in the list and less time for a question of semantics. ;-) From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 08:31:23 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:31:23 -0600 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> John Heinen wrote: > James Takac wrote: > >> Hi Yelna >> >> On Saturday 14 March 2009 17:14:34 Yelena gorbatyuk wrote: >> >> >>> Can you please help me remove ubuntu from my computer? im not very good >>> with computers, so i need the simpliest plan! thanks! I had windows 98 on >>> the computer when i bought it... and i dont think i did the partial... from >>> what i understand thats both programs that u can switch from back and >>> forth... ? I have windows xp now on cd that i want to install... >>> >>> Thanks for your help, >>> >>> Yelena >>> >>> >>> >> The simplest way would be to just install windows from the cd and choose to >> use the entire disk. That'll effectively wipe ubuntu and grub from your drive >> >> James >> >> >> > /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and > puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and > puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to > find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ > > Look John, I assume your grown up. If your happy with windows 98 and it is working, just leave the Linux alone and use your windows! Stop all this waste of words on this list. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk Tue Mar 17 09:52:30 2009 From: ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk (Andy Rogers) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:52:30 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Network Connection Does Not Stay Active Upon Reboot of NSLU2 Message-ID: <3400.62.49.140.10.1237283550.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hi I have finally managed to get Jaunty Aplha 6 onto my NSLU2 now on a few occasions successfully now. I have since come across a seem to be reoccuring problem, of when I reboot my NSLU2 it can't be found on my network until after I have either taken out teh Network cable or a USB cable then it seems to wakeup. When it reboots it is visible to the network/router for a brief amount of time but when it has fully loaded and gone through it's startup cycle it as if the Network adaptor has gone to sleep. Is their anyway of trying to resolve this problem, or ideas where I can start to dig around? Thanks Andrew From ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk Tue Mar 17 09:55:22 2009 From: ubuntu at andyscomp.f9.co.uk (Andy Rogers) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:55:22 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Network Connection Does Not Stay Active Upon Reboot of NSLU2 Message-ID: <2462.62.49.140.10.1237283722.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Forgot to add that on Debian Lenny 5, I did not have any of these problems. Thanks Andrew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Network Connection Does Not Stay Active Upon Reboot of NSLU2 From: "Andy Rogers" Date: Tue, March 17, 2009 9:52 am To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi I have finally managed to get Jaunty Aplha 6 onto my NSLU2 now on a few occasions successfully now. I have since come across a seem to be reoccuring problem, of when I reboot my NSLU2 it can't be found on my network until after I have either taken out teh Network cable or a USB cable then it seems to wakeup. When it reboots it is visible to the network/router for a brief amount of time but when it has fully loaded and gone through it's startup cycle it as if the Network adaptor has gone to sleep. Is their anyway of trying to resolve this problem, or ideas where I can start to dig around? Thanks Andrew From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 10:23:03 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:23:03 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, don fisher wrote: > Block size=4096 (log=2) ^^^^^^ > Fragment size=4096 (log=2) > 134217728 inodes, 536870202 blocks > 26843510 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user > First data block=0 > Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you do the math, you'll get 16TB. > df > /dev/sda1             2.0T  199M  1.9T   1% /usr1 Maybe a bug in df? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 10:48:46 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:48:46 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >[...] > Hello, > > Where Thunderbird starts a new message in relation to the quoted material > in a reply is easy to change. Go to Edit, Account Setting, then in that > dailog, select the "Composition and Addressing" line in the tree on the > left side under the account you wish to change the behavior for. >[... (more about configuring TBird)] Don't know why you threaded this to me Ray, perhaps a mistake. I mostly use KMail but do know how to configure TBird. Actually, I read this list with Pan. Hope the poster you intended to inform will notice it here. From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 17 11:15:29 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:15:29 +0100 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: John Heinen wrote: > /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and > puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and > puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to > find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ > gparted will be your friend. I would suggest you will use it from a bootable CDROM. As always when fiddling around with partitions, a good backup will be an excellent idea. Eberhard From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 11:25:28 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:25:28 -0500 Subject: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <20090317062528.70a091a7@WizardsTower> "Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)" said: > David Fox wrote: > > the actual install > > I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... > Could you just please use current/currently instead? > cybe at WizardsTower:~$ dict actual [...] 2. Existing in act or reality; really acted or acting; in fact; real; -- opposed to {potential}, {possible}, {virtual}, {speculative}, {conceivable}, {theoretical}, or {nominal}; as, the actual cost of goods; the actual case under discussion. [1913 Webster] I fail to see the problem. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 17 11:32:42 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:32:42 -0400 Subject: Actual (Was: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6) In-Reply-To: <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> <359a3c580903162326l120f21c8y4db9876ea96e4423@mail.gmail.com> <49BF45FA.5000209@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <49BF8A5A.2010705@gatech.edu> Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > David Fox wrote: >> the actual install > > I more and more see a misuse of this "actual" word... That's /not/ a misuse of the word. Matt Flaschen From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 13:18:24 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:18:24 +0200 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? Message-ID: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> I understand that the Ubuntu policy is to push bugfixes upstream, but I have never seen a KDE commit that came from *butnu. Does Canonical work on KDE as they work on Gnome? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:23:52 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:23:52 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli Message-ID: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is not configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have googled and found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not in Debian based systems. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 17 14:26:12 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:26:12 -0400 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BFB304.6060001@ercbroadband.org> Thufir wrote: > > So, how do I free up that port? Yes, I can change the port which tomcat > runs on, but I'd rather just free up the port. It gets "stuck" and the > only way I can unfreeze this is to reboot. > > > thanks, > > Thufir > > There is a tool called tcpkill that I use once in a while. It comes as part of another package (in FEdora anyway), but I do not know the correct package in Ubuntu. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:30:08 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:30:08 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903170730o65c4d424pafaa687e88a3328d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart Regards From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:31:47 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:31:47 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903170730o65c4d424pafaa687e88a3328d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903170730o65c4d424pafaa687e88a3328d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903170731q5363f076g9e43ec837c921da0@mail.gmail.com> > sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart > > or > > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart > Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From smoot at tic.com Tue Mar 17 14:34:02 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:34:02 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is > being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is not > configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have googled and > found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not in Debian based > systems. Restarting gdm will do the trick, but I am not sure it is the preferred method. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Mar 15 18:47:32 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:47:32 -0700 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <200903151903.24337.kassube@gmx.net> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <200903151903.24337.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903151147.37577.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 15 March 2009 11:03:24 am Nils Kassube wrote: > Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 but I get the following error > > That is because 6.10 AND 7.04 are no longer supported. If you want to > upgrade to a supported version it would be 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10 and even > 7.10 itself will no longer be supported when 9.04 is available next > month. If I were in your situation I would reinstall Ubuntu 8.04 LTS > which will be supported until 2011. However if you really want to go > the long upgrade way, follow these instructions: > > > > I don't think you can do it and it is likely the reason the original poster can't update his system. The repositories are no longer there! You might be able to find the systems on a CD somewhere but you can't update the system to allow the next step. I know Ubuntu is a fantastic system and some don't want to upgrade their working system but it would be nice to sustain a working upgrade path of some sort. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tmcbeth at cellutel.ca Mon Mar 16 21:57:21 2009 From: tmcbeth at cellutel.ca (Tim McBeth) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:57:21 -0600 Subject: installation-reports Message-ID: Package: installation-reports Boot method: CD Image version: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=htt p%3A%2F%2Fubuntu-cd.mirror.iweb.ca%2F&arch=i386 Date: March 16, 2009 08:00 Machine: Dell Inspiron 1525 Processor: Celeron 550 Memory: 4 GB Partitions: Output of lspci -nn and lspci -vnn: Base System Installation Checklist: [E] = Error (please elaborate below) Initial boot: [X] Detect network card: [ ] Configure network: [ ] Detect CD: [ ] Load installer modules: [ ] Detect hard drives: [ ] Partition hard drives: [ ] Install base system: [ ] Clock/timezone setup: [ ] User/password setup: [ ] Install tasks: [ ] Install boot loader: [ ] Overall install: [ ] Comments/Problems: downloaded disk twice from 2 separate mirrors. Checked MD5 sum both times. Checked OK. Unable to provide params that allowed boot. Kept getting messgae to use pnpbios=off tired that - no luck. Also giving kernel panics and SR0 errors. Nothing failing in hardware - runs other OSes fine. Tried to disable all Initially thought I had CD/DVD problems but tested okay. Tried disabling all optional equipment from BIOS - no change. Using Rev 17 BIOS on this machine. Have never had a kernel I could NOT boot before - seems almost engineered... From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Mar 15 18:24:21 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:24:21 -0700 Subject: Power Manager uses inproper terms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903151124.25719.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 13 March 2009 11:58:54 am James T Snell wrote: > When I plug my laptop in to its power adapter, the Power Manager says the > computer is on AC power. This is a misnomer at least in my case because the > computer only sees a DC power source. The big box that power laptop power > cords have contains an AC to DC adapter. The same process occurs inside the > power supply of a desktop and thus the actual computer never sees anything > but DC power. The main question is, "Does your power come from an AC source or battery pack?" Battery power tends to drain the battery till it is dead or so low the computer does not run any more. AC on the other hand provides a constant power source to the transformer so the computer will run as long as it is plugged in. Computers do only run on DC, that is true, However, both my desktop (1500 watt APC) and laptop have battery backup in case there is no AC so I would contend that it is correctly named. Can either of them run without a battery? Yes, both of them can! But only if power is supplied from another source. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From aleksandr.goretoy at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 08:07:38 2009 From: aleksandr.goretoy at gmail.com (alex goretoy) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:07:38 -0500 Subject: what is rsync utility In-Reply-To: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: rsync is a tool that helps you syncronize two directories to have the same files,backups, plus more -Alex Goretoy http://www.goretoy.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:39:39 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:39:39 -0400 Subject: Upgrading Jaunty alpha 5 to alpha 6 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903162320r5d370558h6b1bbd573511493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > If I have a Jaunty alpha 5 system, and I want to start testing alpha > 6, is it enough to apt-get upgrade or must I reinstall from an alpha 6 > disk? > In addition to others' suggestions, another alternative: $> sudo aptitude update $> sudo aptitude full-upgrade -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 14:45:56 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:45:56 +0000 Subject: How to setup a home server Message-ID: <1626181311-1237301158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-848687571-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:10:41 To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: How to setup a home server Hi folks ! I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have been using ubuntu for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate all the personal computers we have at home but the problem is that we need a home server coz we have a pretty complex network at home plus I am also planning to host my own website and all the email and etc, etc so can any body plz tell me how to set up a home server and network using ubuntu server and also what all syncml and groupware software available for ubuntu server and how to install them Yours, KMB Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From stephanos at writeme.com Tue Mar 17 15:01:02 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:01:02 +0000 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> Dear All >>> >>> Kubuntu 8.10 >>> >>> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >>> text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: >>> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >>> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >>> >>> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >>> have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. >>> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >>> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >>> improved performance. >>> >>> I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the >>> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >>> reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. >>> >>> Any help appreciated >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >> Dear All >> >> This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some >> suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X >> at start up makes no difference to the display. >> >> I still have the problems of >> 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen >> Resize & Rotate. >> 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off >> the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits >> 3) Windows render slowly >> 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a >> size that I can read - it is all too small >> 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a >> wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. >> But I cannot access the display options to change it. >> >> I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the >> onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics >> card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already >> configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. >> One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned >> onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. >> >> I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any >> recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not >> have to be fiddled with. >> >> I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not >> sure what it is. >> >> Any recommendations welcomed. >> >> Stephen >> > Hello, > > Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned > to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's > currently assigned to the video card. This is way too low, and you > should be able to change that setting right there where it's displayed > in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, > and go all the way up to 256 MB's. > > Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available > system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode > with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, > all with no problems whatsoever. > > When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for the video card > and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray > out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or > two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have > the gray out problem. > > An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It > works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI > program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal > screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create > with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of > it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video > resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes > take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. > > xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, > hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a > Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will > then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. > > There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your > changes to the xorg.conf file. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Dear Ray Thanks for the responses. I tried the BIOS to adjust the video memory and it only allows selection between 1MB and 8MB. Nice idea but thwarted. xvidtune was revealing. I started it as root as I assumed it had to write to Xorg.conf, and it showed that my res is 1440 X 900. I could indeed use the Left/Right, Wider/Narrower, up/down, shorter/taller buttons. No sliders I am sorry to say. However, when I adjusted using Narrower/Shorter and then pressed Test I got an error message that "Sorry you have requested a Mode-Line that is not possible, or not supported by your hardware or configuration" Not sure if this is user error. Should I have logged out of the GUI (if so not sure how to do that)? Should I have used Wider/Taller? Dell have replied to my enquiry and confirmed that can only use PCI (not PCI express) graphics cards. Any recommendations if I am not able to increase onboard video memory Hope to hear from you Stephen From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:04:22 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:04:22 -0700 Subject: Mail Notification not working with Gmail IMAP Message-ID: <49BFBBF6.3030709@gmail.com> Ubuntu 8.10. I had Mail Authentication with my GMail account working with POP, but after I switched to IMAP, I realized that it wasn't working anymore. I get unread notes in my inbox, and the icon doesn't appear. When I bring up "mail-notification -p" (is there any way to get this from the GUI?), I see the following: Mailbox type: IMAP server: imap.gmail.com username: davidmichaelkarr password: **** IMAP Mailbox: Inbox Connection Type: Standard (not SSL) Port: 143 Auth Mechanism: Autodetect Use IDLE: Autodetect Mailbox name: Default Delay: 30 seconds I googled for this problem, and some people said to check the following: % --get /apps/mail-notification/display-seen-mail true % --get /apps/mail-notification/fallback-charsets [user,ISO8859-15] Is there anything else I should be checking? From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 14:57:37 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:57:37 -0300 Subject: ethernet Q References: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8785705.FbNlz82rAB@cedar.serverforest.com> James Takac wrote: > Hi Guys > > I had a motherboard blow on a computer a few weeks back and finally got > the system rebuilt with a new mobo. However the ethernet connection is now > seen as eth1 instead of eth0 and on various reboots ubuntu is not seeing > it at all. I suspect it has something to do with the new assigment and so > am wondering where I might look to edit things so as to edit out the old > ethernet assignment since that adapter no longer exists and what do I need > to watch out for if taking this road udev rules, I would think -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 15:02:14 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:02:14 -0300 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I understand that the Ubuntu policy is to push bugfixes upstream, but > I have never seen a KDE commit that came from *butnu. Does Canonical > work on KDE as they work on Gnome? My understanding is that Canonical may have as many as ONE KDE developer :-) (They were advertising for one last Summer, iirc) Kubuntu is essentially separate. -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 17 15:11:36 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:11:36 +0100 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <200903151147.37577.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <200903151903.24337.kassube@gmx.net> <200903151147.37577.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200903171611.36223.kassube@gmx.net> Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 15 March 2009 11:03:24 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 but I get the following > > > error > > > > That is because 6.10 AND 7.04 are no longer supported. If you want > > to upgrade to a supported version it would be 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10 > > and even 7.10 itself will no longer be supported when 9.04 is > > available next month. If I were in your situation I would reinstall > > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS which will be supported until 2011. However if you > > really want to go the long upgrade way, follow these instructions: > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you can do it and it is likely the reason the original > poster can't update his system. The repositories are no longer > there! If you read the links you will see that they point to the oldreleases repository. So it IS possible to upgrade old systems. > I know Ubuntu is > a fantastic system and some don't want to upgrade their working > system but it would be nice to sustain a working upgrade path of some > sort. That's what the oldreleases repository is good for. Like you said, it should be available, and it is. OTOH, it should NOT be available from the standard repository because then you might think the old system would still get updates which will not happen. Moving to oldreleases makes people wake up because their system is no longer supported. Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:16:54 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:16:54 +0200 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? In-Reply-To: <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> > My understanding is that Canonical may have as many as ONE KDE developer :-) > (They were advertising for one last Summer, iirc) > > Kubuntu is essentially separate. I remember the ad, however, I assume that he was hired to help integrate KDE to *buntu better, not to fix KDE. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:18:41 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:18:41 +0200 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903170818t4619ef7aub03d30dc207454ac@mail.gmail.com> > Kubuntu is essentially separate. From the FAQ: Q: Is [Kubuntu] a fork of Ubuntu? A: No, it is an official part of Ubuntu. All our packages are in the same archives. http://www.kubuntu.org/faq#fork -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 14:56:38 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:56:38 -0300 Subject: Software that will allow me to run windows software on 8.10 References: <49BC6774.4070201@gmail.com> <49BC68F8.6060008@roadrunner.com> <49BCB28F.9090504@gmail.com> <1237113271.8640.14.camel@chronic> <49BCE021.3080504@writeme.com> <49BEF77B.8090001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2717958.6TLX2RLJuk@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Pyles wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion! Please, we get enough traffic here - ONE thank you to the list would have been enough. -- derek From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:31:36 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:31:36 -0400 Subject: what is rsync utility In-Reply-To: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <534266.77220.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends > what is rsync utility in ubuntu why we use this utility and how to run it. > Thanks and Regard > Jitendra Jha > +91-9893325765 Check the Synaptic package manager and search for rsync in it. It will give you information about the package. Or, you can do in a terminal: $> aptitude show rsync Finally, searching google would be the best way to learn more about it and how to use it. It is a very useful wonderful tool. Another related tool is unison. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 15:38:54 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:38:54 -0700 Subject: Mail Notification not working with Gmail IMAP In-Reply-To: <49BFBBF6.3030709@gmail.com> References: <49BFBBF6.3030709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BFC40E.6030709@gmail.com> David M. Karr wrote: > Ubuntu 8.10. > > I had Mail Authentication with my GMail account working with POP, but > after I switched to IMAP, I realized that it wasn't working anymore. > I get unread notes in my inbox, and the icon doesn't appear. > > When I bring up "mail-notification -p" (is there any way to get this > from the GUI?), I see the following: > > Mailbox type: IMAP > server: imap.gmail.com > username: davidmichaelkarr > password: **** > IMAP Mailbox: Inbox > Connection Type: Standard (not SSL) > Port: 143 > Auth Mechanism: Autodetect > Use IDLE: Autodetect > Mailbox name: Default > Delay: 30 seconds > Hmm, well never mind. I changed it to mailbox type "Gmail" and now it works. Except I think that's what I had it set to before, and it seemed to have some problems. I'll see. > I googled for this problem, and some people said to check the following: > > % --get /apps/mail-notification/display-seen-mail > true > % --get /apps/mail-notification/fallback-charsets > [user,ISO8859-15] > > > Is there anything else I should be checking? From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 16:04:15 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:04:15 -0500 Subject: killing a process (again), ports In-Reply-To: <49BFB304.6060001@ercbroadband.org> References: <49BFB304.6060001@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <20090317110415.1d935ed1@WizardsTower> "Mark Haney" said: > There is a tool called tcpkill that I use once in a while. It comes as > part of another package (in FEdora anyway), but I do not know the > correct package in Ubuntu. dsniff. It's in Universe/Networking. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 16:06:37 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:06:37 -0500 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090317110637.146b2ffd@WizardsTower> Dotan Cohen said: > I assume that he was hired to help > integrate KDE to *buntu better, not to fix KDE. IME, that would be /fixing/ KDE. :) Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From rev.olson at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 16:43:55 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:43:55 -0700 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 In-Reply-To: <200903171611.36223.kassube@gmx.net> References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <200903151147.37577.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200903171611.36223.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903170944.02097.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Tuesday 17 March 2009 8:11:36 am Nils Kassube wrote: > Pastor JW wrote: > > On Sunday 15 March 2009 11:03:24 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Lorcan O'Neill wrote: > If you read the links you will see that they point to the oldreleases > repository. So it IS possible to upgrade old systems. AH! You caught me! I just saw the warning on the top of the page and thought the instructions being listed there were no longer current rather than the version. Turns out the page is indeed current and gives the instructions for the non-supported version to upgrade. > > I know Ubuntu is > > a fantastic system and some don't want to upgrade their working > > system but it would be nice to sustain a working upgrade path of some > > sort. > > That's what the oldreleases repository is good for. Like you said, it > should be available, and it is. OTOH, it should NOT be available from > the standard repository because then you might think the old system > would still get updates which will not happen. Moving to oldreleases > makes people wake up because their system is no longer supported. Good deal! I feel alot better now about my suggesting Ubuntu to people! I was doing that anyway but also suggested people pay attention to and use the LTS versions as support lasts longer. Some people don't like having to upgrade every six months and feel better with an OS stable enough to run for a couple years or so. Others like the bleeding edge! 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URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 16:37:34 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:37:34 -0600 Subject: How to setup a home server In-Reply-To: <1626181311-1237301158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-848687571-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <1626181311-1237301158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-848687571-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, wrote: > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > -----Original Message----- > From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:10:41 > To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support< > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: How to setup a home server > > > Hi folks ! > I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have been using ubuntu > for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate all the personal computers > we have at home but the problem is that we need a home server coz we have a > pretty complex network at home plus I am also planning to host my own > website and all the email and etc, etc so can any body plz tell me how to > set up a home server and network using ubuntu server and also what all > syncml and groupware software available for ubuntu server and how to install > them > Yours, > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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(I have 64bit processors...Intel Core 2 DUO >>> T5850) >>> I tried the 32-bit version and it works fine, but i want the 64-bit so i >>> can >>> utilise all of my RAM. >>> Weixuan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0600 >>>> From: klarsen1 at gmail.com >>>> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Subject: Re: Installation problems with Ubuntu >>>> >>>> Weixuan Li wrote: >>>>> Hi all,I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a NEC Versa P8310.I intend to >>>>> make it dual-boot.I have shrunk my Vista partition and currently have >>>>> 150GB >>>>> of unallocated space.I put the CD into the drive, restart my laptop and >>>>> the >>>>> menu comes up(with the options: install ubuntu, use ubuntu without any >>>>> change to my computer, check CD for defects, >>>> You better check the CD for defects first. That eliminates a bad CD >>>> as the problem. >>>> >>>>> memory test, etc.).I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a black >>>>> screen >>>>> and the CD stops whirring.Any suggestions to what went wrong and how to >>>>> fix >>>>> this problem so that I can install Ubuntu? >>>>> Cheers,Weixuan >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Tell us what version your loading as well. >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Find out what’s new with your friends Download the new Windows Live >>>>> Messenger >>>>> http://download.live.com/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >>>> Linux User >>>> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >>>> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Get what you want at ebay. View photos of singles in your area >>> -- >>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >>> >>> >> >> Have you tried to burn another CD at the lowest possible speed? >> >> And just out of curiosity, how big is your RAM? >> >> (Please post your replies at the lower part of the message, not in the >> top part. Thanks.) >> >> L. >> >> >> -- >> Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil >> skype: lmnicolosi1 >> Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W >> Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-user > > ---------------------- > no, but i know that the CD works because I got it off a friend who installed > it on their machine. > 4GB of Ram and 1GB of graphics (My current 32-bit Vista OS doesn't use the > extra 1GB of RAM) > Weixuan Ubuntu AMD64 will not allow you to use much more than 3Gb if your video board has 1Gb due to the RAM area needed to manage it.Your available memory will be pretty much the same with i386 or AMD64. I can see no benefit in choosing AMD64 install, not for a 4 Gb system. L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From jrh at joshh.co.uk Tue Mar 17 17:30:13 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:30:13 +0000 Subject: backup help In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090317173013.GB10683@joshh.co.uk> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:31:23AM +0600, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui > application? If gui application, what is the name? There are lots of utilities in the repos; just search 'backups' in Synaptic/Adept/aptitude. A proper application is probably better because it will do the backups regularly without you worrying about them, it may perform integrity checks and there is no risk of you making a mess of the tar switches. Personally, I use backup-manager. There is no GUI (yet, see http://joshh.co.uk/index.php/2009/03/16/i-feel-evil/ ), but as you mention using tar on the command line, you are probably proficient enough to edit a well-commented configuration file. HTH, Josh From jrh at joshh.co.uk Tue Mar 17 17:50:47 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:50:47 +0000 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM [hijacked] In-Reply-To: <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> Sorry to hijack the thread, it's only slightly OT. Is 64MB RAM enough to run some sort of fileserver, or should I just not even think about using the machine in question? Thanks, Josh From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 17 18:00:00 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM [hijacked] In-Reply-To: <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com><49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <49BFE520.3080201@ercbroadband.org> Josh Holland wrote: > Sorry to hijack the thread, it's only slightly OT. > > Is 64MB RAM enough to run some sort of fileserver, or should I just not > even think about using the machine in question? > Thanks, > Josh > Yeah, don't hijack. Honestly, for something like this a new thread would be better. To answer though, 64MB RAM would probably be okay if you use DSL or puppy linux. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 18:04:38 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:04:38 -0500 Subject: New printer - need driver In-Reply-To: <49BF0749.7050403@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49BC95D5.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> <49BF0749.7050403@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Wulfy wrote: > Wulfy wrote: >> My old printer died on me...  so I bought a nice new shiny Canon printer >> assuming that I'd have the appropriate driver...  alas, no such luck. > I looked on the Ubuntu Wiki to see what printers were supported.  I > found this page: > > > > Just about every printer in the Canon range *except* mine!  :@( Wulfy - have you tried copying the PPD file from the source RPM over to wherever cups keeps the PPDs? You either have to wait ~30 sec after doing this or give a 'sudo invoke-rc.d cupsys restart', then delete your printer and try adding it again. It should offer the choice for the 2500 then. Chris From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 17:54:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:54:33 -0300 Subject: How to setup a home server References: <1626181311-1237301158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-848687571-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <5253363.h6TNUaP9OL@cedar.serverforest.com> madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel <> > > I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have been using ubuntu > for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate all the personal > computers we have at home but the problem is that we need a home server Define "home server"? It's not just one thing. > coz we have a pretty complex network The "pretty complex network" can usually be handled by a wireless router. > at home plus I am also planning to host my own website And if that was all you wanted, you could just port-forward port 80 at the router... > and all the email Now you're getting a little complicated, but _why_? Hosting your own email server at home is rarely necessary, and is likely to get your email blacklisted if you don't set it up correctly. > and etc, etc Oh, "etc"s don't take any planning or resources at all :-) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 17:56:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:33 -0300 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5485349.pHpLiLUcZy@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> My understanding is that Canonical may have as many as ONE KDE developer >> :-) (They were advertising for one last Summer, iirc) >> >> Kubuntu is essentially separate. > > I remember the ad, however, I assume that he was hired to help > integrate KDE to *buntu better, not to fix KDE. I daresay that _is_ what he does. It would take more than one person to fix KDE :-) That said, there's a whole bunch of people involved with Kubuntu, and I don't believe they just sit around waiting for upstream to do anything. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 17:58:31 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:58:31 -0300 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> <10585746.C0Zi15kVWe@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903170816i6f69e40dud03227ade5d14183@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903170818t4619ef7aub03d30dc207454ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18477867.3pE4BO5qIh@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Kubuntu is essentially separate. > > From the FAQ: > Q: Is [Kubuntu] a fork of Ubuntu? > A: No, it is an official part of Ubuntu. All our packages are in the > same archives. > > http://www.kubuntu.org/faq#fork Yes. So? How many people are associated with Kubuntu? How many of them are on the Canonical payroll? Now tell me that Kubuntu is not "essentially" separate... There was a kubuntu before there was ever a Canonical employee who dealt with KDE. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 17 17:49:32 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:32 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is >> being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is not >> configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have googled and >> found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not in Debian based >> systems. > > Restarting gdm will do the trick, but I am not sure it is the preferred > method. > > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart I'm sure it is (as long as you are using gdm). It may alteratively be kdm or xdm. But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. -- derek From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 17 18:52:21 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:52:21 -0400 Subject: 3ware question Message-ID: <49BFF165.6050606@chrononomicon.com> I have an older system on which I installed 8.10. It has a 3Ware Escalade 6410 card in it. Things seem to be working well, but I can't get 3dm working on it and I think it's due to kernel upgrades...I don't think 3Ware ever released updated software for the 2.6 kernel. Is there a way to get a status of the array (2 drives, mirrored) on that controller? Or is this card more or less worthless now? -Bart From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 18:57:26 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:57:26 -0600 Subject: High availability using openvz containers Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to setup loadbalanced high-availability apache cluster based on ubuntu 8.04 using this how-to, using a couple of openvz containers, but I get stuck when I do this: root at webserver01:~# modprobe ip_vs_dh FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24-2-pve/modules.dep: No such file or directory Do I have to load the modules directly from the host? or is there a nice how-to, tutorial to setup a loadbalacing apache cluster using containers that you guys know? googling around found this: http://lbvm.sourceforge.net/ which only works under red hat clustering services is there an alternative for debian/ubuntu? my host is a proxmox(debian) machine using several ubuntu/debian containers and VMs TIA -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 18:58:58 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:58:58 -0700 Subject: ethernet Q In-Reply-To: <200903171303.40184.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <200903171225.28528.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <84250c9c0903161937p25229e5drf30ac2a7cf1ed7a0@mail.gmail.com> <200903171303.40184.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/16/2009 08:03 PM, James Takac wrote: > Hi Norberto > > On Tuesday 17 March 2009 12:37:17 Norberto Bensa wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:25 PM, James Takac wrote: >> > Hi Guys >> > >> > I had a motherboard blow on a computer a few weeks back and finally got >> > the system rebuilt with a new mobo. However the ethernet connection is >> > now seen as eth1 instead of eth0 and on various reboots ubuntu is not >> > seeing it at >> >> sudo rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules >> sudo reboot > > Just gave it a go. It certainly has the interface back to being seen as eth0 > which is what I'd expect being that it's the only interface physically there. > So far so good so I'll keep an eye on it to make sure there are no other > issues needing to be resolved. > > Thx > James > Now reboot again and see if it sticks. You can also manually edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules - just make sure that you get the mac address(') right if you do. From jrh at joshh.co.uk Tue Mar 17 19:12:03 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:12:03 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:49:32PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in ubuntu-devel-discuss. Josh From vpadro at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:15:51 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:15:51 -0600 Subject: High availability using openvz containers In-Reply-To: <49BFF3F2.8040502@gmail.com> References: <49BFF3F2.8040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM, brent timothy saner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Victor Padro wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to setup loadbalanced high-availability apache cluster based > > on ubuntu 8.04 using this how-to > > < > http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu8.04 > >, > > using a couple of openvz containers, but I get stuck when I do this: > > > > root at webserver01:~# modprobe ip_vs_dh > > FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24-2-pve/modules.dep: No such > > file or directory > > > > Do I have to load the modules directly from the host? > > or is there a nice how-to, tutorial to setup a loadbalacing apache > > cluster using containers that you guys know? > > > > i was about to ask if this was on the host or guest but you answered it > for me :) module loading needs to be done on the host; openvz is a > shared-kernel system (meaning the guests share the host kernel) so from > a security standpoint, it doesn't make much sense to allow the guests to > have control over the host's kernel/modules. > Actually I've loaded the modules in the host and the result is the same: proxmox:~# modprobe ip_vs_ftp proxmox:~# proxmox:~# lsmod Module Size Used by ip_vs_ftp 15492 0 ip_vs 105696 2 ip_vs_ftp kvm_intel 57960 0 kvm 191752 1 kvm_intel vzethdev 23808 0 vznetdev 32776 4 simfs 14320 2 vzrst 155688 0 vzcpt 129976 0 tun 23168 2 vzrst,vzcpt vzdquota 58864 2 [permanent] vzmon 58520 6 vzethdev,vznetdev,vzrst,vzcpt vzdev 13064 4 vzethdev,vznetdev,vzdquota,vzmon xt_tcpudp 12288 0 xt_length 10752 0 ipt_ttl 10752 0 xt_tcpmss 11264 0 xt_TCPMSS 13568 0 iptable_mangle 13824 2 iptable_filter 13696 2 xt_multiport 12288 0 xt_limit 12032 0 ipt_tos 10496 0 ipt_REJECT 13952 0 ip_tables 33256 2 iptable_mangle,iptable_filter x_tables 33672 10 xt_tcpudp,xt_length,ipt_ttl,xt_tcpmss,xt_TCPMSS ,xt_multiport,xt_limit,ipt_tos,ipt_REJECT,ip_tables ipv6 342016 41 vzrst,vzcpt,vzmon bridge 73128 0 dm_snapshot 28256 0 dm_mirror 34432 0 e1000 176068 0 thermal 27168 0 button 18336 0 intel_agp 38304 0 processor 49768 1 thermal evdev 22912 0 pcspkr 12288 0 scsi_wait_scan 10112 0 dm_mod 79736 9 dm_snapshot,dm_mirror usbhid 43616 0 hid 52544 1 usbhid usb_storage 90304 0 libusual 31072 1 usb_storage sd_mod 40448 3 sr_mod 27684 0 ide_disk 26496 0 ide_generic 9856 0 [permanent] ide_cd 43040 0 cdrom 48936 2 sr_mod,ide_cd ide_core 144152 3 ide_disk,ide_generic,ide_cd shpchp 45596 0 pci_hotplug 43312 1 shpchp uhci_hcd 37408 0 ehci_hcd 48908 0 usbcore 178608 6 usbhid,usb_storage,libusual,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd iTCO_wdt 22992 0 iTCO_vendor_support 13188 1 iTCO_wdt i2c_i801 19740 0 i2c_core 36352 1 i2c_i801 ata_piix 31492 2 pata_marvell 16768 0 pata_acpi 17152 0 ata_generic 17412 0 libata 184496 4 ata_piix,pata_marvell,pata_acpi,ata_generic scsi_mod 187192 5 scsi_wait_scan,usb_storage,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata isofs 47144 0 msdos 19712 0 fat 67760 1 msdos root at webserver01:~# modprobe ip_vs_ftp FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24-2-pve/modules.dep: No such file or directory any other hint? > > if you would like to avoid this, Xen allows for private kernels i > believe (as long as you're using paravirtualization.. can a Xen guru > correct me if i'm wrong on this?) > > > > googling around found this: > > http://lbvm.sourceforge.net/ > > which only works under red hat clustering services > > is there an alternative for debian/ubuntu? > > > > my host is a proxmox(debian) machine using several ubuntu/debian > > containers and VMs > > > > TIA > > > > looks like it is supported pretty well- per the homepage, "The LBVM > consists of several scripts that allow to load balance virtual machines > (**currently preconfigured: Xen and OpenVZ**) among physical servers - > the algorithm is fully configurable. LBVM uses the Red Hat Cluster Suite > to provide high availability and rgmanager (part of the Red Hat Cluster > Suite) to perform the actual migration." (emphasis added) > It is a nice tool for a rhel/centos but I will still love to use in debian/ubuntu though. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkm/8/EACgkQ8u2Zh4MtlQradgCgrRBnm8SWnlEdP9IP9ozjpP2/ > qv4AoKIFrACXIqnXV08cf06tmBR1yhYK > =rwWI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Karr) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:52:15 -0700 Subject: Mail Notification not working with Gmail IMAP In-Reply-To: <49BFC40E.6030709@gmail.com> References: <49BFBBF6.3030709@gmail.com> <49BFC40E.6030709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BFFF6F.9060407@gmail.com> David M. Karr wrote: > David M. Karr wrote: >> Ubuntu 8.10. >> >> I had Mail Authentication with my GMail account working with POP, but >> after I switched to IMAP, I realized that it wasn't working anymore. >> I get unread notes in my inbox, and the icon doesn't appear. >> >> When I bring up "mail-notification -p" (is there any way to get this >> from the GUI?), I see the following: >> >> Mailbox type: IMAP >> server: imap.gmail.com >> username: davidmichaelkarr >> password: **** >> IMAP Mailbox: Inbox >> Connection Type: Standard (not SSL) >> Port: 143 >> Auth Mechanism: Autodetect >> Use IDLE: Autodetect >> Mailbox name: Default >> Delay: 30 seconds >> > Hmm, well never mind. I changed it to mailbox type "Gmail" and now it > works. Except I think that's what I had it set to before, and it > seemed to have some problems. I'll see. Ok, now I remember why I tried to change it to IMAP. When I have it set to Gmail, it works, but the mail notification icon shows up almost all of the time with an "unable to retrieve feed" error. This is mostly just an annoyance, however, as when I actually receive new mail the icon shows up correctly indicating new mail, and when I read it, the icon goes away. It's just annoying to see that flashing error icon almost all the rest of the time. >> I googled for this problem, and some people said to check the following: >> >> % --get /apps/mail-notification/display-seen-mail >> true >> % --get /apps/mail-notification/fallback-charsets >> [user,ISO8859-15] >> >> >> Is there anything else I should be checking? From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 20:00:15 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:00:15 -0700 Subject: Does Ubuntu fix upstream KDE bugs? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170618y22c07956u6d92f09a23dc943f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 06:18 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I understand that the Ubuntu policy is to push bugfixes upstream, but > I have never seen a KDE commit that came from *butnu. Does Canonical > work on KDE as they work on Gnome? > > Thanks. > Yes. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 20:14:49 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:14:49 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> > How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies > exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in > ubuntu-devel-discuss. Are there any documented cases where a newbie has been bitten by this. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 17 20:17:06 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:17:06 -0600 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:32 -0300 Derek Broughton wrote: > Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace > >> is being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is > >> not configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have > >> googled and found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not > >> in Debian based systems. > > > > Restarting gdm will do the trick, but I am not sure it is the > > preferred method. > > > > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart > > I'm sure it is (as long as you are using gdm). It may alteratively > be kdm or xdm. > > But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. From the release notes: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap --disable. and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew about it. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From stephen_o at rogers.com Tue Mar 17 21:20:19 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:20:19 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <724638.88449.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <724638.88449.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C01413.50303@rogers.com> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen wrote: > > >> From: Stephen >> Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. >> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" >> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:29 PM >> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> >>> It's been many years since I've set up a win >>> >> modem and used one. However, you might try creating the >> missing file /dev/slamr0 as the error message states and try >> again the install. Just a thought, no guarantees but >> creating the file certainly wont hurt anything and can be >> removed if not successful. >> >>> Leonard Chatagnier >>> lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Stephen >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> Thanks for the reply I'll give it a try. >> >> When I had this computer custom made I requested a modem, >> not windows >> garbage. None of what I wanted is in the computer. Except I >> ended up >> with a 500 gig hard drive instead of the 250 that I >> ordered. The place >> was Computer Direct on Dundas between Tomken road and >> Dixie, Mississauga >> Ontario. I would warn any one from buying a custom system >> from them. As >> soon as they get your money you don't exist any more. >> >> >> > Thanks for the info but I usually go with BestBuy in the USA as they are about the lowest price and you can get them to get the warranty service started. > Don't give up on the winmodem(software modem) as most can be made to work in Linux. It's been a long while but AIR, the Conexant site had a lot of info to get you started. > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > > > Thanks again Leonard. I am greatful for the information. Since I only have 2 gigs of ram I was considering installing the 32bit version. I just thought if I want to upgrade my memory it would already be installed. Thanks again: Stephen Oulton. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hdf3 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 20:23:03 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:03 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, don fisher wrote: >> Block size=4096 (log=2) > ^^^^^^ > >> Fragment size=4096 (log=2) >> 134217728 inodes, 536870202 blocks >> 26843510 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user >> First data block=0 >> Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > If you do the math, you'll get 16TB. > > >> df >> /dev/sda1 2.0T 199M 1.9T 1% /usr1 > > Maybe a bug in df? > I did the math, 536870202*4096=2.1990203e12, or 2TB. Am I missing something? I do not understand the relation between the claimed "Maximum" = 4294967296 blocks and the allocated = 536870202 blocks. don -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Fisher hdf3 at comcast.net | | 865 W. Cresta Loma Dr. VOICE: (520)888-7613 | | Tucson, AZ. 85704-3705 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 20:35:27 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:35:27 -0700 Subject: How to setup a home server In-Reply-To: References: <1626181311-1237301158-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-848687571-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 09:37 AM, Victor Padro wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, wrote: > >> >> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:10:41 >> To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support< >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> >> Subject: How to setup a home server >> >> >> Hi folks ! >> I'm a newbie who's just switched from windows and I have been using ubuntu >> for the past 3 months and am planning to migrate all the personal computers >> we have at home but the problem is that we need a home server coz we have a >> pretty complex network at home plus I am also planning to host my own >> website and all the email and etc, etc so can any body plz tell me how to >> set up a home server and network using ubuntu server and also what all >> syncml and groupware software available for ubuntu server and how to install >> them >> Yours, >> KMB >> > > http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts > > Also: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html You can read it on your own machine off-line: $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-serverguide it's in html format. So to view, place the following in to the url bar of your browser (and bookmark): /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/html/C/index.html I think that some folks were working on making a pdf available in January, but I've not found/seen one yet. Ref: If you feel like experimenting, you can install htmldoc (it's in Synaptic - or '$ sudo apt-get install htmldoc') and try converting to pdf. Userguide is here: Disclaimer: I've not tried this (yet). From nbensa at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 20:58:08 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:58:08 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903171358j7b2e270bn7ea1ffe6cfd8958f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM, don fisher wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, don fisher wrote: >>> Block size=4096 (log=2) >>                     ^^^^^^ >> >>> Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296 >>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > I did the math, 536870202*4096=2.1990203e12, or 2TB. Am I missing > something? I do not understand the relation between the claimed > "Maximum" = 4294967296 blocks and the allocated = 536870202 blocks. > I misread. I'm sorry for the noise From raptor at eagles-wing.net Tue Mar 17 21:08:08 2009 From: raptor at eagles-wing.net (Donald Raikes) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:08:08 -0700 Subject: listing installed packages Message-ID: <1237324088.15987.9.camel@draikes-lap> Hello, I have had my ubuntu 8.10 system installed for about a week, and have added a lot of packages for testing purposes. Is there a command-line way to list all installed packages so I can see what has been installed? I am blind, and while I can use synaptek, it is pretty cumbersome, so I would preffer to just use apt to generate a list to a text file which I can browse using my editor. Love, Me -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course there is. $ dpkg --get-selections > list.txt You can even use this file to restore the package state: $ dpkg --set-selections < list.txt Josh From raptor at eagles-wing.net Tue Mar 17 21:28:19 2009 From: raptor at eagles-wing.net (Donald Raikes) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0700 Subject: enablign usb headset Message-ID: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> Hello, How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound still comes through the speakers. I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in sound comes through the speakers like usual. -- TIA, Donald Raikes accessibility Specialist http://www.eagles-wing.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wade -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Linux since June 2005 From spamtrap at arumes.com Tue Mar 17 21:54:44 2009 From: spamtrap at arumes.com (Robert Spanjaard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Thunderbird message filters References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:47:31 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > 20090317 1644 GMT-6 > > I have just been informed that I have to keep a copy of all messages > sent and received while working on this one project so I was going set a > filter and copy any message sent with a particular subject line but, it > also works in reverse - any message coming in as well. That isnt what I > wanted. And looking at the message source there is nothing that > indicates that the message is a outgoing or sent message. > > Using the to wont work as it could be any number of 70 people on the > project. > > Any ideas? I suppose all sent messages have your e-mail address in the From-header? -- Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 21:56:44 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:56:44 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Wade Smart wrote: > Any ideas? Um, If subject contains AND from contains ? Chris From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 17 21:56:48 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:48 -0700 Subject: backup help In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/15/2009 12:31 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using > tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without > creating the backup file of all the documents again from the > ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? > Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 > Destination: /home/bb/Public > Source path: /media/d > > For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui > application? If gui application, what is the name? > I'd use rsync instead, but these might be of help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/backups.html http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/backup http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311 [Howto: Backup and restore your system! - uses tar] From wadesmart at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 22:13:01 2009 From: wadesmart at gmail.com (Wade Smart) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:01 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> Robert Spanjaard wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:47:31 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > >> 20090317 1644 GMT-6 >> >> I have just been informed that I have to keep a copy of all messages >> sent and received while working on this one project so I was going set a >> filter and copy any message sent with a particular subject line but, it >> also works in reverse - any message coming in as well. That isnt what I >> wanted. And looking at the message source there is nothing that >> indicates that the message is a outgoing or sent message. >> >> Using the to wont work as it could be any number of 70 people on the >> project. >> >> Any ideas? > > I suppose all sent messages have your e-mail address in the From-header? 20090317 1707 GMT-6 They do. For this group I sent from my gmail account. I cc myself so I can see that I have posted to the group and I filter on that. I am required to keep two folders for this project: sent mail and received mail. Filtering only on the sender (myself) means its the same as a sent box so an extra value is required.I see Mohler posted the subject. If one always knew the subject this would work but - while I have asked that a std marker be included (for example [ubuntu-list] for would be something for this group) so far that has not happened. I could add it on each and every message but, that is a pain when considering the number of messages. Wade -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Linux since June 2005 From thilts at mcsnet.ca Tue Mar 17 22:30:12 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:30:12 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Networking and USB In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903151833y2198235cjf08bf82e2cef9c29@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> <84250c9c0903151833y2198235cjf08bf82e2cef9c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C02474.7010204@mcsnet.ca> Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: > >> Can a usb connected external (1) IDE drive, (2) SATA drive, or (3) FLASH >> memory card be set up to be a share (let's say on machine A) on the >> local LAN network and therefore accessible to read, write, and >> executeable operations by other machines on that network (let's say on >> machines B, C, and D) also providing their shares? >> > > Yes. > > You mount the drive somewhere and share it thru samba, nfs, etc. > > Are you saying for example that on Linux Ubuntu machine A: 1. I mount a SATA drive , format that drive as ext3 by means of a live tools distribution like Knoppix or alternatively from the command line of machine A and then 2 .Modify the SAMBA smb.conf file to show the SATA drive as a Samba share and then do the terminal "testparm" command. 3, Then all machines on the same workgroup should be able to see the SATA drive as a share of machine A and there is no additional work or preliminary work and Ubuntu 8.4 will automatically through the USB connection determine the presence of the external SATA drive??? 4. In addition, if a windows XP Home or XP PRO machine is mapped to this SATA drive which is externally connected to machine A then it should also be able to access that SATA drive as a share??? Thanks -- Ted From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Tue Mar 17 22:27:40 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:27:40 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C023DC.5090409@dinamis.com> Wade Smart wrote: > I have just been informed that I have to keep a copy of all messages > sent and received while working on this one project so I was going set a > filter and copy any message sent with a particular subject line but, it > also works in reverse - any message coming in as well. That isnt what I > wanted. And looking at the message source there is nothing that > indicates that the message is a outgoing or sent message. > > Using the to wont work as it could be any number of 70 people on the > project. > > Any ideas? If your organization insists on using email for project management and documentation and expects users to maintain their own email filters, you may find Roundup to be useful. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From spamtrap at arumes.com Tue Mar 17 22:29:01 2009 From: spamtrap at arumes.com (Robert Spanjaard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Thunderbird message filters References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:01 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > I am required to keep two folders for this project: sent mail and > received mail. Filtering only on the sender (myself) means its the same > as a sent box so an extra value is required.I see Mohler posted the > subject. If one always knew the subject this would work but - while I > have asked that a std marker be included (for example [ubuntu-list] for > would be something for this group) so far that has not happened. I could > add it on each and every message but, that is a pain when considering > the number of messages. What exactly are you trying to filter? If it's just this group, both To and From-headers of all sent messages are the same. (from=you, to=list) I know posts to this list are easy to filter (both sent and received), as I've done it myself. But that's all I can say; I'm using news.gmane.org nowadays, and I don't remember exactly what the mailheaders look like. -- Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com From wadesmart at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 22:35:20 2009 From: wadesmart at gmail.com (Wade Smart) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:35:20 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C025A8.70605@gmail.com> Robert Spanjaard wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:01 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > >> I am required to keep two folders for this project: sent mail and >> received mail. Filtering only on the sender (myself) means its the same >> as a sent box so an extra value is required.I see Mohler posted the >> subject. If one always knew the subject this would work but - while I >> have asked that a std marker be included (for example [ubuntu-list] for >> would be something for this group) so far that has not happened. I could >> add it on each and every message but, that is a pain when considering >> the number of messages. > > What exactly are you trying to filter? If it's just this group, both To > and From-headers of all sent messages are the same. > (from=you, to=list) > > I know posts to this list are easy to filter (both sent and received), as > I've done it myself. But that's all I can say; I'm using news.gmane.org > nowadays, and I don't remember exactly what the mailheaders look like. > 20090317 1733 GMT-5 I was just using this group for an example. Im on a project and the company requires I keep a copy of all email sent and received. -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Linux since June 2005 From spamtrap at arumes.com Tue Mar 17 22:39:54 2009 From: spamtrap at arumes.com (Robert Spanjaard) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Thunderbird message filters References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> <49C025A8.70605@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:35:20 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > Robert Spanjaard wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:01 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: >> >>> I am required to keep two folders for this project: sent mail and >>> received mail. Filtering only on the sender (myself) means its the >>> same as a sent box so an extra value is required.I see Mohler posted >>> the subject. If one always knew the subject this would work but - >>> while I have asked that a std marker be included (for example >>> [ubuntu-list] for would be something for this group) so far that has >>> not happened. I could add it on each and every message but, that is a >>> pain when considering the number of messages. >> >> What exactly are you trying to filter? If it's just this group, both To >> and From-headers of all sent messages are the same. (from=you, to=list) >> >> I know posts to this list are easy to filter (both sent and received), >> as I've done it myself. But that's all I can say; I'm using >> news.gmane.org nowadays, and I don't remember exactly what the >> mailheaders look like. >> >> > 20090317 1733 GMT-5 > > I was just using this group for an example. > > Im on a project and the company requires I keep a copy of all email sent > and received. Then you'll have to figure out the details yourself. It's impossible to make suggestions without knowing what the mails look like. -- Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com From wade at wadesmart.com Tue Mar 17 22:46:12 2009 From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:46:12 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> <49C025A8.70605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C02834.6080204@wadesmart.com> Robert Spanjaard wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:35:20 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: > >> Robert Spanjaard wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:01 -0500, Wade Smart wrote: >>> >>>> I am required to keep two folders for this project: sent mail and >>>> received mail. Filtering only on the sender (myself) means its the >>>> same as a sent box so an extra value is required.I see Mohler posted >>>> the subject. If one always knew the subject this would work but - >>>> while I have asked that a std marker be included (for example >>>> [ubuntu-list] for would be something for this group) so far that has >>>> not happened. I could add it on each and every message but, that is a >>>> pain when considering the number of messages. >>> What exactly are you trying to filter? If it's just this group, both To >>> and From-headers of all sent messages are the same. (from=you, to=list) >>> >>> I know posts to this list are easy to filter (both sent and received), >>> as I've done it myself. But that's all I can say; I'm using >>> news.gmane.org nowadays, and I don't remember exactly what the >>> mailheaders look like. >>> >>> >> 20090317 1733 GMT-5 >> >> I was just using this group for an example. >> >> Im on a project and the company requires I keep a copy of all email sent >> and received. > > Then you'll have to figure out the details yourself. It's impossible to > make suggestions without knowing what the mails look like. > 20090317 1742 GMT-5 Well, as I said: they are composed in Thunderbird and sent from me to one of 70'ish people working for this project. What does any email look like? Its from me. There is no standard subject line. I think Clifford is onto something with roundup. Thanks Clifford. Im checking that out now :D Wade -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Linux since June 2005 From hal at burgiss.net Tue Mar 17 22:56:27 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <20090317225627.GP8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:15:31PM -0700, NoOp wrote: > On 03/14/2009 02:17 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:35:22AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Not so fast! I recently read an article on PC magazine onlne about how > >> to close user accounts with many online services,. In the article they > >> claim that if you first burn those mp3's to CD as audio files [which > >> involves converting them to CD music file types] and then rip the > >> resulting CD back to mp3 format files, it legally removes the DRM from > >> them. They were specifically talking about Itunes at that point in the > >> article. > > > > There are several issues here. First, I've never seen mp3's from > > iTunes. They are all m4a or somesuch format. If you burn those to cd, > > they won't play. They have to be converted first. AFAIK, you can > > convert the non-DRM (the newer stuff) to mp3's, but not the older DRM > > stuff. > > > > You might want to have a look at the links I provided. I didn't see anything to really contradict what my experiences have been. The closest to getting a fully working iTunes set up on Ubuntu, quote: "An unofficial plugin for the Banshee Player supports the store but needs to be obtained from subversion and compiled. There is also no guarantee it will work with changes to the itunes store. You can also use Wine or CodeWeavers' CrossOver Office to install the Windows version of iTunes on Ubuntu (note that support for Itunes on both of these platforms is widely limited). This will allow you to buy iTunes songs on Linux and listen to them. However, be aware that the purchased songs will be useless outside of iTunes or an iPod, because they are encrypted for the purpose of restricting their use. Because of this restriction, it is a better idea to buy and rip CDs, or purchase music from sites that offer unencrypted MP3 or OGG files." I have no problem mounting my ipod, moving music to/from it, etc. In fact, I use gtkpod for that. I love em both. The problems are the proprietary formats that are one degree of problem or another. Most of what I have is a dead duck if its not being played by the ipod or somebody else's Mac/MS system. The problem is iTunes+Linux, its a PITA at best. gtkpod can read the iTunesDB but nothing in Linux will actually play the iTunes stuff (the real new stuff may be a little less encumbered but its still not mp3 or a reasonable format). -- Hal From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 00:19:27 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:19:27 -0300 Subject: backup help In-Reply-To: References: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/15/2009 12:31 PM, Mahadi Hasan wrote: >> I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using >> tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without >> creating the backup file of all the documents again from the >> ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? >> Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 >> Destination: /home/bb/Public >> Source path: /media/d >> >> For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui >> application? If gui application, what is the name? >> > > I'd use rsync instead, but these might be of help: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem > https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/backups.html > http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/backup > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311 > [Howto: Backup and restore your system! - uses tar] > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > This thread was duplicated by "backup problem" that Mahadi Hassan posted a couple of days ago. (Is there a way to mark threads as "duplicate"? Maybe [duplicate] in the subject?) L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From hensandpat at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 00:32:23 2009 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:32:23 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49C04117.1090200@earthlink.net> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > John Heinen wrote: > >> /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and >> puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and >> puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to >> find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ >> >> > gparted will be your friend. I would suggest you will use it from a > bootable CDROM. > > As always when fiddling around with partitions, a good backup will be an > excellent idea. > > Eberhard > > > Right Eberhart, Thanks John From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 18 00:54:10 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:54:10 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:14:49 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies > > exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in > > ubuntu-devel-discuss. > > Are there any documented cases where a newbie has been bitten by this. > Yes, I was just on IRC #ubuntu when someone ask how to restart alsa/pulseaudio. Some idiot responded 'hit ctrl-alt-bksp' and boom, newb at xxx.xxx.xx.xx. has quit (client terminated). Laughable, yes. But if the questioner had lost data they would have been furious. -- David Curtis From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 01:08:57 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:08:57 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49C049A9.7010000@chrononomicon.com> David Curtis wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:14:49 +0200 > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies >>> exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in >>> ubuntu-devel-discuss. >> Are there any documented cases where a newbie has been bitten by this. >> > > Yes, I was just on IRC #ubuntu when someone ask how to restart alsa/pulseaudio. Some idiot responded 'hit ctrl-alt-bksp' and boom, newb at xxx.xxx.xx.xx. has quit (client terminated). > > Laughable, yes. But if the questioner had lost data they would have been furious. He was asking if there were cases of this before you did that... ;-) From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 02:11:36 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:11:36 -0300 Subject: installation-reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Tim McBeth wrote: > Package: installation-reports > > Boot method: CD > Image version: > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=server-newest&mirror=htt > p%3A%2F%2Fubuntu-cd.mirror.iweb.ca%2F&arch=i386 > Date: March 16, 2009 08:00 > > Machine: Dell Inspiron 1525 > Processor: Celeron 550 > Memory: 4 GB > Partitions: > > Output of lspci -nn and lspci -vnn: > > Base System Installation Checklist: > [E] = Error (please elaborate below) > > Initial boot:           [X] > Detect network card:    [ ] > Configure network:      [ ] > Detect CD:              [ ] > Load installer modules: [ ] > Detect hard drives:     [ ] > Partition hard drives:  [ ] > Install base system:    [ ] > Clock/timezone setup:   [ ] > User/password setup:    [ ] > Install tasks:          [ ] > Install boot loader:    [ ] > Overall install:        [ ] > > Comments/Problems: downloaded disk twice from 2 separate mirrors. Checked > MD5 sum both times. Checked OK. Unable to provide params that allowed boot. > Kept getting messgae to use pnpbios=off tired that - no luck. Also giving > kernel panics and SR0 errors. Nothing failing in hardware - runs other OSes > fine. Tried to disable all > >      and ideas you had during the initial install.> > Initially thought I had CD/DVD problems but tested okay. Tried disabling all > optional equipment from BIOS - no change. Using Rev 17 BIOS on this machine. > Have never had a kernel I could NOT boot before - seems almost engineered... > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Could not find any similar references for bug+Dell Inspiron 1525+Ubuntu Have you successfully run memtest? What about trying 8.04 or the desktop version and check if the problem persists? L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 02:33:05 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:33:05 -0700 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 02:47 PM, Wade Smart wrote: > 20090317 1644 GMT-6 > > I have just been informed that I have to keep a copy of all messages > sent and received while working on this one project so I was going set a > filter and copy any message sent with a particular subject line but, it > also works in reverse - any message coming in as well. That isnt what I > wanted. And looking at the message source there is nothing that > indicates that the message is a outgoing or sent message. > > Using the to wont work as it could be any number of 70 people on the > project. > > Any ideas? > > Wade Yes, try the proper support group/forum. http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/ http://www.mozilla.org/community/ http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html Use news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.thunderbird to automatically set up the nntp account, or: Edit|Account Settings|Add Account|Newgroup account|etc. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 02:42:44 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:42:44 -0700 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090317225627.GP8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090317225627.GP8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 03:56 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:15:31PM -0700, NoOp wrote: ... >> You might want to have a look at the links I provided. > > I didn't see anything to really contradict what my experiences have > been. > > The closest to getting a fully working iTunes set up on Ubuntu, quote: > > "An unofficial plugin for the Banshee Player supports the store but > needs to be obtained from subversion and compiled. There is also no > guarantee it will work with changes to the itunes store. You can also > use Wine or CodeWeavers' CrossOver Office to install the Windows > version of iTunes on Ubuntu (note that support for Itunes on both of > these platforms is widely limited). This will allow you to buy iTunes > songs on Linux and listen to them. However, be aware that the > purchased songs will be useless outside of iTunes or an iPod, because > they are encrypted for the purpose of restricting their use. Because > of this restriction, it is a better idea to buy and rip CDs, or > purchase music from sites that offer unencrypted MP3 or OGG files." > > I have no problem mounting my ipod, moving music to/from it, etc. In > fact, I use gtkpod for that. I love em both. The problems are the > proprietary formats that are one degree of problem or another. Most of > what I have is a dead duck if its not being played by the ipod or > somebody else's Mac/MS system. The problem is iTunes+Linux, its a PITA > at best. gtkpod can read the iTunesDB but nothing in Linux will > actually play the iTunes stuff (the real new stuff may be a little > less encumbered but its still not mp3 or a reasonable format). > Again I don't have one, have you tried gtkpod-aac? Note: I'm not just throwing out links (:-) as I'm interested as well; my son dualboots to WinXP when he uses his ipod so I'm interested learning how to help him use his ipod with Ubuntu. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 02:50:11 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:50:11 -0700 Subject: [duplicate of 'backup problem] Re: backup help In-Reply-To: References: <11286abe0903151231i3f35628bx488a9d997d8b3d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 05:19 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > > This thread was duplicated by "backup problem" that Mahadi Hassan > posted a couple of days ago. (Is there a way to mark threads as > "duplicate"? Maybe [duplicate] in the subject?) > > L. > > I reckon the best method is to ask Mahadi Hasan to please not post duplicate questions with slightly different subjects? From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 04:10:12 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:10:12 -0300 Subject: proxy working In-Reply-To: <831673.95073.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <831673.95073.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/17 jiten jha : > Dear friends >                    I just want to know that when ever i using free proxy > then my inter net not working and even any sites also not open. then how can > i open block site and why my sites are not open. I am using fire fox . How > can i open Block sites . > And why we use free proxy . what is the need of free proxy . > if use free proxy then how it work and when i m using free proxy then why my > inter net not working. Perhaps you are referring to http://www.freeproxy.ca/ or a similar IP anonymizer to browse the Internet. If you a living in a country that blocks Internet access to some places (and not UK as your mail suggests), maybe they have already blocked access to your preferred free proxy provider. Or perhaps I just did not understand the exact nature of your problem. Lucio -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Wed Mar 18 04:34:47 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:34:47 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird message filters In-Reply-To: <49C02834.6080204@wadesmart.com> References: <49C01A73.1040001@gmail.com> <49C0206D.1070706@gmail.com> <49C025A8.70605@gmail.com> <49C02834.6080204@wadesmart.com> Message-ID: <49C079E7.1010702@dinamis.com> Wade Smart wrote: > I think Clifford is onto something with roundup. Thanks Clifford. Im > checking that out now :D I've found email to be a very poor tool for project communications. At the very least, you should have a listserv for that group of 70 people, if not use some project management application. I have no idea how you can have a reliable distribution list for 70 people when there isn't a list hosted by a listserv, or a dedicated forum, for that particular project. It wouldn't surprise me at all if people who shouldn't be on the distribution list are and vice versa and that those who are, some, perhaps many, simply aren't reading the messages. Abusing email like this leads to reducing the effectiveness of email as a communications medium. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, pour moi at least, il semble une remarque plutôt grossier pour le Chef de Project chez Vectoris, whatever the hell this might be, running the utmost updated version d'Ubuntu ... Best Regards, L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 05:18:53 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:18:53 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> Charlie Kravetz said: > From the release notes: > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by > users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this > function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap > --disable. > > and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made > and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew > about it. Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu may have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to consider going back to Debian unstable. Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 05:43:12 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:13:12 +0530 Subject: How to search any string on Gnome Console ? Message-ID: <3c3933e40903172243u6f749594p19e044b4e2ad5dc3@mail.gmail.com> Hello, How can I search any "string" in a gome-terminal ? I am looking for the option something similar that we do in firefox "Ctrl + f" I works on web applications using tomcat so the need of finding any string arises regularly. Early help on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks ! -- Ashish From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 05:48:54 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:48:54 -0300 Subject: TKDESK Crashing at startup...??? In-Reply-To: <49BEB304.7050407@charter.net> References: <49BEB304.7050407@charter.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Larry Shields wrote: > *Has anyone yet found a fix to get TKDESK 2.0-9 to work instead of > crashing upon starting up... > > It has been awhile now,  so was woundering if anyone has gotten it to > work... > > Thanks Larry Doesn't work for me in 8.10 tkdesksh[19208]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bfecfccc error 4 in tkdesksh[8048000+b000] L. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 05:50:12 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:50:12 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, I was just on IRC #ubuntu when someone ask how to restart alsa/pulseaudio. Some idiot responded 'hit ctrl-alt-bksp' and boom, newb at xxx.xxx.xx.xx. has quit (client terminated). > Really, what was his handle? > Laughable, yes. But if the questioner had lost data they would have been furious. > That is not laughable. Canonical is a business and IRC is an official support channel. That sounds serious. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From eqisow at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 05:51:55 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:51:55 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To be fair, that would restart pulse, no? On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Yes, I was just on IRC #ubuntu when someone ask how to restart > alsa/pulseaudio. Some idiot responded 'hit ctrl-alt-bksp' and boom, > newb at xxx.xxx.xx.xx. has quit (client terminated). > > > > Really, what was his handle? > > > Laughable, yes. But if the questioner had lost data they would have been > furious. > > > > That is not laughable. Canonical is a business and IRC is an official > support channel. That sounds serious. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي > А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я > а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 05:54:21 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:54:21 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903172254w56371a8bocbe52bb8b83098dc@mail.gmail.com> > To be fair, that would restart pulse, no? > So would bashing the memory with a hammer then replacing it, no? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 18 06:00:56 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:00:56 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:18:53 -0500 "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > Charlie Kravetz said: > > From the release notes: > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by > > users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this > > function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap > > --disable. > > > > and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made > > and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew > > about it. > > Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu may > have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to consider > going back to Debian unstable. > Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. > > Oh fer crying out loud, as it says above, 'dontzap --disable' or edit your xorg.conf. What are you doing that you need to restart GDM/xorg so many times you need a short cut key? What's wrong with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'? As far as I'm concerned this is a 'have your cake and eat it too' scenario, protect the newbs, barely inconvenience the juniors, and not change much at all for the pros. Win, win, win. -- David Curtis From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 18 06:01:38 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:01:38 -0400 Subject: How to search any string on Gnome Console ? In-Reply-To: <3c3933e40903172243u6f749594p19e044b4e2ad5dc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c3933e40903172243u6f749594p19e044b4e2ad5dc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C08E42.6010807@gatech.edu> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: > Hello, > > How can I search any "string" in a gome-terminal ? > I am looking for the option something similar that we do in firefox "Ctrl + f" > > I works on web applications using tomcat so the need of finding any > string arises regularly. > Early help on this will be greatly appreciated. Well, I don't think you'll be getting "early" help if you stick with GNOME here. This is a known bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-terminal/+bug/132501 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78963) since 2002. I suggest you use konsole in the meantime: sudo apt-get install konsole Matt Flaschen From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 18 06:23:49 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:23:49 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090318022349.f2addb59.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:50:12 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Yes, I was just on IRC #ubuntu when someone ask how to restart alsa/pulseaudio. Some idiot responded 'hit ctrl-alt-bksp' and boom, newb at xxx.xxx.xx.xx. has quit (client terminated). > > > > Really, what was his handle? It was a her actually. I don't remember the nick off hand. Not to mention you would be able glean my nick out of any logs and I like being anonymous on IRC. :P > > > Laughable, yes. But if the questioner had lost data they would have been furious. > > > > That is not laughable. Canonical is a business and IRC is an official > support channel. That sounds serious. Don't confuse Canonical Inc. or LLC. (or whatever) with the Ubuntu foundation. Canonical using IRC for official support _would_ absolutely be laughable, #ubuntu is populated by volunteers just like this list. And as far as IRC channels go it's just as insane as any other channel with 1300 to 1500 users at any single moment. Using public IRC channels to conduct business would just be stupid. -- David Curtis From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 06:34:01 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:34:01 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1237358041.13857.17.camel@chronic> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 14:17 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > The decision was made > and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew > about it. Only true for those who did not follow development and did not read blueprints. IIRC the blueprint for this one has existed for a year or so. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 06:37:49 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:37:49 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 00:18 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu > may have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to > consider going back to Debian unstable. > Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. Consider how ugly it is for someone to lose data due to accidentally hitting a key combo that is (a) undocumented for all intents and purposes as far as non-experts are concerned, and (b) terminates all open applications without giving the user a chance to save. In reality, Ctrl+Alt+Bspc always was a usability nightmare. If Windows had something like this it would be roasted over an open fire, and rightly so. IMHO changing the default was the correct decision. OTOH I have no idea why people get so worked up about this, the last time I had to kill X was several years ago. From dfox94085 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 06:48:27 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:48:27 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <49C01413.50303@rogers.com> References: <724638.88449.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C01413.50303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903172348ke9f504cj6a10d7e5c64f6305@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/17 Stephen : > Thanks again Leonard. I am greatful for the information. Since I only have 2 > gigs of ram I was considering installing the 32bit version. I just thought > if I want to upgrade my memory it would already be installed. One question you might want to ask yourself is whether your current machine can have its memory expanded, and by how much. If 2 gigs are the maximum RAM your box can hold (or if it is not practical to upgrade, because you have to tear out the existing RAM chips and install higher-capacity ones) then you might as well stick to a 32 bit install, but otherwise, install 64 bit, because you can grow into it. It would be easier IMHO to add more RAM than to reinstall 64 bit from a 32 bit system when it came to add more RAM. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From julio.argota at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 07:01:22 2009 From: julio.argota at gmail.com (Julio Argota) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:22 -0600 Subject: No subject Message-ID: How I can know when a deamond is activated?. Example if a USB memory is inserted ubuntu, more specific usbfs deamon, automount the memory and open a nautylus windows. How I can performance a task when it happend. I have a bash script whit the actions that I to do, but I don't know where to place this. -- Atte Julio N. Argota Q. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 18 07:08:46 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:08:46 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:51:55 -0400 Justin wrote: > To be fair, that would restart pulse, no? I don't know, why don't you try it? ;) Seriously, I use Xubuntu which does not have pulseaudio. I can say without reservation C-A-B has no effect on alsa. So I would assume that pulse being part of the linux audio sub-system does not stop/start with gdm/xorg. But you know what they say about assuming. The whole point of my example was that a newb was instructed to use C-A-B without knowing to shutdown all her apps, possibly losing data. Not to mention the idiot that instructed her to do so probably knew as much about Ubuntu/Linux as someone who thinks that rebooting or re-installing is going magically fix a problem. People who come to this list or to IRC for help and know nothing will probably do anything they're told with possible disastrous consequences for them, for the list's/channel's reputation and for the reputation of Ubuntu. To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. -- David Curtis From holtzm at cox.net Wed Mar 18 07:22:31 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:22:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > John Heinen wrote: .............snip............. >> /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and >> puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and >> puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to >> find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ >> >> > Look John, I assume your grown up. If your happy with windows 98 > and it is working, just leave the Linux alone and use your windows! Stop > all this waste of words on this list. The guy has a legitimate reason for his request. Get off his back! -- Bob Holtzman "The lab called. Your brain is ready." From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 18 07:58:21 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:58:21 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: David Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:51:55 -0400 > Justin wrote: > >> To be fair, that would restart pulse, no? > > I don't know, why don't you try it? ;) > > Seriously, I use Xubuntu which does not have pulseaudio. I can say without reservation C-A-B has no effect on alsa. So I would assume that pulse being part of the linux audio sub-system does not stop/start with gdm/xorg. But you know what they say about assuming. > > The whole point of my example was that a newb was instructed to use C-A-B without knowing to shutdown all her apps, possibly losing data. Not to mention the idiot that instructed her to do so probably knew as much about Ubuntu/Linux as someone who thinks that rebooting or re-installing is going magically fix a problem. People who come to this list or to IRC for help and know nothing will probably do anything they're told with possible disastrous consequences for them, for the list's/channel's reputation and for the reputation of Ubuntu. > > To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. I fully agree. It does not harm to anybody and potentially saves some people's lifes... However imho it is definitely false to ask a newbie not to think on his own. They will have to, if they want to master Linux. Eberhard From vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:13:00 2009 From: vijaywargiya.ashish at gmail.com (Ashish Vijaywargiya) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:43:00 +0530 Subject: How to search any string on Gnome Console ? In-Reply-To: <49C08E42.6010807@gatech.edu> References: <3c3933e40903172243u6f749594p19e044b4e2ad5dc3@mail.gmail.com> <49C08E42.6010807@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <3c3933e40903180113h7cdefe08je2704fb36ad798bd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Matt for your fast turn around on this. Anyone know why this issue has not been addressed yet ? Any supporting link describing the the cause for not implementing this bug will be of great help. Thanks ! -- Ashish On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: >> Hello, >> >> How can I search any "string" in a gome-terminal ? >> I am looking for the option something similar that we do in firefox "Ctrl + f" >> >> I works on web applications using tomcat so the need of finding any >> string arises regularly. >> Early help on this will be greatly appreciated. > > Well, I don't think you'll be getting "early" help if you stick with > GNOME here.  This is a known bug > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-terminal/+bug/132501 and > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78963) since 2002. > > I suggest you use konsole in the meantime: > > sudo apt-get install konsole > > Matt Flaschen > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:25:07 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:25:07 +0100 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903171358j7b2e270bn7ea1ffe6cfd8958f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903171358j7b2e270bn7ea1ffe6cfd8958f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If this size limit is a problem for you just switch to the new file type. I can't think of a drive that would be that big though. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:33:30 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:33:30 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318022349.f2addb59.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318022349.f2addb59.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903180133w275ecb23y4069002909d7815b@mail.gmail.com> > It was a her actually. I don't remember the nick off hand. Not to > mention you would be able glean my nick out of any logs and I > like being anonymous on IRC. :P > I don't think that she could be 'caught' but I'd still like to know. > Don't confuse Canonical Inc. or LLC. (or whatever) with the Ubuntu > foundation. Canonical using IRC for official support _would_ absolutely > be laughable, #ubuntu is populated by volunteers just like this list. And > as far as IRC channels go it's just as insane as any other channel with > 1300 to 1500 users at any single moment. Using public IRC channels > to conduct business would just be stupid. > The official Ubuntu site, which is affiliated with Canonical, links to the IRC channel. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From stephanos at writeme.com Wed Mar 18 08:51:27 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:51:27 +0000 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49C0B60F.8030605@writeme.com> Stephen wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: >> Stephen wrote: >>> Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> Kubuntu 8.10 >>>> >>>> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >>>> text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: >>>> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >>>> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >>>> >>>> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >>>> have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. >>>> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >>>> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >>>> improved performance. >>>> >>>> I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the >>>> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >>>> reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. >>>> >>>> Any help appreciated >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>> Dear All >>> >>> This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some >>> suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X >>> at start up makes no difference to the display. >>> >>> I still have the problems of >>> 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen >>> Resize & Rotate. >>> 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off >>> the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits >>> 3) Windows render slowly >>> 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a >>> size that I can read - it is all too small >>> 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a >>> wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. >>> But I cannot access the display options to change it. >>> >>> I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the >>> onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics >>> card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already >>> configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. >>> One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned >>> onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. >>> >>> I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any >>> recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not >>> have to be fiddled with. >>> >>> I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not >>> sure what it is. >>> >>> Any recommendations welcomed. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >> Hello, >> >> Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned >> to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's >> currently assigned to the video card. This is way too low, and you >> should be able to change that setting right there where it's displayed >> in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, >> and go all the way up to 256 MB's. >> >> Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available >> system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode >> with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, >> all with no problems whatsoever. >> >> When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for the video card >> and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray >> out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or >> two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have >> the gray out problem. >> >> An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It >> works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI >> program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal >> screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create >> with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of >> it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video >> resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes >> take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. >> >> xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, >> hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a >> Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will >> then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. >> >> There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your >> changes to the xorg.conf file. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> > Dear Ray > > Thanks for the responses. I tried the BIOS to adjust the video memory > and it only allows selection between 1MB and 8MB. Nice idea but thwarted. > > xvidtune was revealing. I started it as root as I assumed it had to > write to Xorg.conf, and it showed that my res is 1440 X 900. I could > indeed use the Left/Right, Wider/Narrower, up/down, shorter/taller > buttons. No sliders I am sorry to say. > > However, when I adjusted using Narrower/Shorter and then pressed Test I > got an error message that "Sorry you have requested a Mode-Line that is > not possible, or not supported by your hardware or configuration" > > Not sure if this is user error. Should I have logged out of the GUI (if > so not sure how to do that)? > > Should I have used Wider/Taller? > > Dell have replied to my enquiry and confirmed that can only use PCI > (not PCI express) graphics cards. Any recommendations if I am not able > to increase onboard video memory > > Hope to hear from you > > Stephen > > Dear All Thanks to all who have tried to assist with this problem. Dell have confirmed that the BIOS cannot allocate anything more than the 8MB option. So I am very likely to purchase the Nvidia GE Force 6200 (PCI, and 256 MB RAM) graphics card as a way of overcoming the limitation of only 8MB system RAM allocated to my onboard graphics card. It appears supported as well. The ubuntu website has stated that the package I need is nvidia-glx. Does anyone have any knowledge of this graphics card ? Hope to hear Thanks Stephen From crp at cmc.net Wed Mar 18 09:02:35 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:02:35 -0700 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> [...] >> Hello, >> >> Where Thunderbird starts a new message in relation to the quoted material >> in a reply is easy to change. Go to Edit, Account Setting, then in that >> dailog, select the "Composition and Addressing" line in the tree on the >> left side under the account you wish to change the behavior for. >> [... (more about configuring TBird)] >> > > Don't know why you threaded this to me Ray, perhaps a mistake. I mostly > use KMail but do know how to configure TBird. Actually, I read this list > with Pan. > > Hope the poster you intended to inform will notice it here. > I wasn't actually responding to you, I was responding to the quoted person in your last post that stated they were using Thunderbird, while you were telling them that even if they used Thunderbird it was still protocol to bottom post here. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From marius at pov.lt Wed Mar 18 09:50:29 2009 From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:50:29 +0200 Subject: How to search any string on Gnome Console ? In-Reply-To: <3c3933e40903180113h7cdefe08je2704fb36ad798bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c3933e40903172243u6f749594p19e044b4e2ad5dc3@mail.gmail.com> <49C08E42.6010807@gatech.edu> <3c3933e40903180113h7cdefe08je2704fb36ad798bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090318095029.GC5202@fridge.pov.lt> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 01:43:00PM +0530, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote: > Thanks Matt for your fast turn around on this. > Anyone know why this issue has not been addressed yet ? The usual reasons, I suppose -- nobody who could implement this needs it badly enough. > > This is a known bug > > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-terminal/+bug/132501 and > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78963) since 2002. Marius Gedminas -- 31337 is a prime number, go figure... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From f0rg3r at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:25:47 2009 From: f0rg3r at gmail.com (Alexandra Zaharia) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:25:47 +0200 Subject: Error to creating OS X in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <113865.7296.qm@web23606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <113865.7296.qm@web23606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't know about the rest of your problems; however, for this: > > Tell me any good way then i create my own MAC OS X in ubuntu . > you can http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23 or http://www.taimila.com/?q=node/11 From crp at cmc.net Wed Mar 18 10:26:03 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:26:03 -0700 Subject: listing installed packages In-Reply-To: <1237324088.15987.9.camel@draikes-lap> References: <1237324088.15987.9.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: <49C0CC3B.2070903@cmc.net> Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > I have had my ubuntu 8.10 system installed for about a week, and have > added a lot of packages for testing purposes. > > Is there a command-line way to list all installed packages so I can see > what has been installed? > > I am blind, and while I can use synaptek, it is pretty cumbersome, so I > would preffer to just use apt to generate a list to a text file which I > can browse using my editor. > Love, > Me > Hello, Here's another way. It requires the installation of apt-show-versions first, but works pretty good. apt-show-versions > ~/versions.txt sort ~/versions.txt > ~/sversions.txt rm ~/versions.txt This gives you an alphabetically sorted list of all of your packages, with their current version information. If you need to get the list of packages which need updating use the following. apt-show-versions -u > ~/needsupdate.txt If you would prefer a list sorted by date so you can tell what has been added recently give this a try. cd /usr/share find -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f %T+\n' | sort -s -t ' ' -k 2.1nr -k 2.6n -k 2.9n -k 2.12r -k 2.15 -k 2.18 > ~/datesort.txt That wiill give you a package list with the most recently installed dates at the top of the file. Later, Ray Parrish Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com From nbensa at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:27:26 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:27:26 -0300 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903171358j7b2e270bn7ea1ffe6cfd8958f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903180327g2bc75122uc43ca40188d4ecc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Knapp wrote: > If this size limit is a problem for you just switch to the new file > type. I can't think of a drive that would be that big though. And the "new file type" is? There're no 10TB harddrives. OP is running on RAIDs. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:54:43 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:54:43 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: Is there a partiton size limit?) References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:02:35 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Thorny wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >> >> >>> [...] >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where Thunderbird starts a new message in relation to the quoted >>> material in a reply is easy to change. Go to Edit, Account Setting, >>> then in that dailog, select the "Composition and Addressing" line in >>> the tree on the left side under the account you wish to change the >>> behavior for. [... (more about configuring TBird)] >>> >>> >> Don't know why you threaded this to me Ray, perhaps a mistake. I mostly >> use KMail but do know how to configure TBird. Actually, I read this list >> with Pan. >> >> Hope the poster you intended to inform will notice it here. >> > I wasn't actually responding to you, I was responding to the quoted person > in your last post that stated they were using Thunderbird, while you were > telling them that even if they used Thunderbird it was still protocol to > bottom post here. > > Later, Ray Parrish My point was that you threaded your reply to my post rather than the poster you wanted to inform, but you wrote to him and your post appeared to be to me due to that sub-threading. Threading exists for a reason, whether it is a good reason or not is often a matter of personal opinion. Actually, I didn't tell him what the protocol was here, I just tried to answer his question about top posting. And, hopefully, not start that whole argument again here. Regards From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 11:07:45 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:07:45 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:31:23 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>[John Heinen] /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, >>linux mint and >> puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and >> puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to >> find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ >> >> > Look John, I assume your grown up. If your happy with windows 98 > and it is working, just leave the Linux alone and use your windows! Stop > all this waste of words on this list. > Karl, This guy didn't ask anything about Win98. Perhaps it was somewhat of a thread hijack but, on the other hand, it was also somewhat related. Whether or not he's grown up doesn't seem to be relevant. He received the answer he needed, to use a partition tool. From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 18 11:19:42 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Stop software through run level Message-ID: <112513.55133.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                  how can i stop any software through run level tell me the way or command. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 11:57:00 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:57:00 -0700 Subject: upgrade 6.1 to 7.04 References: <34d9edb10903140431i4cc9bc8bp1b77220195930ea9@mail.gmail.com> <200903151903.24337.kassube@gmx.net> <200903151147.37577.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200903171611.36223.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:11:36 +0100, Nils Kassube wrote: > > That's what the oldreleases repository is good for. Like you said, it > should be available, and it is. OTOH, it should NOT be available from the > standard repository because then you might think the old system would > still get updates which will not happen. Moving to oldreleases makes > people wake up because their system is no longer supported. > It is also the Debian way, in the archive repository for old releases, so it makes very much sense for Ubuntu to do it. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 12:18:05 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:18:05 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> David Curtis wrote: > To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try SSH'ing into it and checking processes? I'm not trying to argue that things stay the way they are because of mere tradition, but only that it was a way to recover from an error, and the odds of "accidentally" hitting it are slim. In theory someone only needs to be bitten once by some ass on an IRC channel to know not to do that again (and get a lesson on trusting strange people on faceless networks, probably). There comes a point where people need to stop protecting everything with bubble wrap and let mistakes happen; it's how people learn. As long as the problem isn't something "unreasonable" (accidentally hitting C-A-B? What are the odds?)...and who would be experimenting on their computer while working on their grand master thesis due the next day without a backup? Someone who deserves a reboot (or restart of X)? Just my opinion which of course is as valuable as the electrons burned reading this... -Bart From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 12:22:25 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:22:25 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > David Curtis wrote: >> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. > I fully agree. It does not harm to anybody and potentially saves some > people's lifes... Huh? What X-Ray dosing system is running Linux? Honestly...how does it save lives preventing X restarting? And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does at a critical moment of someone's life connected to that computer? Is this the culmination of cookie-cutter boiler-plate certification degree programs pooing out Windows sysadmins that never edited the system registry? > However imho it is definitely false to ask a newbie not to think on his own. > > They will have to, if they want to master Linux. Why would they if people insist on removing every potentially hazardous thing in the name of making it impossible to use when things go wrong aside from rebooting at the slightest hint of problems? I stopped using Windows as my primary OS years ago because of that kind of issue. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:23:23 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:23:23 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903180523i77706f14o97ab33fc086a7f9c@mail.gmail.com> > They will have to, if they want to master Linux. > ֹUsers do not want to master Linux. You may want to master Linux, as a hobby. My mother in law just wants to check her email. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 12:31:18 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:31:18 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 00:18 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >> Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu >> may have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to >> consider going back to Debian unstable. >> Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. > > Consider how ugly it is for someone to lose data due to accidentally > hitting a key combo that is (a) undocumented for all intents and > purposes as far as non-experts are concerned, and (b) terminates all > open applications without giving the user a chance to save. And doesn't have recent backups...if it's important (I know, users don't make backups!) Terminating open apps is kind of the point when X is fubar'd. How often is this really an issue? A prankster tells people to do it so they do...okay...why are they working on critical work while looking for tricks on IRC or some other list? Is this really all that common? How many users are accidentally hitting that key combo? Are they the same users that flip out when they kick the power cord out (Maybe it should be permanently attached), or run out of battery? Power outages kill them too (maybe UPS's should be build into every desktop)? One learning experience that costs an hour or two of work sucks. No doubt. But you bet your ass I won't do it again. Seems a lot of users don't learn unless there's a reason to remember it too. So the alternative is what, an uber-group of intelligensia that rules over idiots deemed too dim to learn lessons, keeping a group in power over others in eternal technological servitude because they're simply written off as too stupid to use the Internet or their own computers? Well...maybe I like where your system is going after all. Maybe the command to restart X should be something more obscure than three keys scattered across the keyboard...like hitting H, a, F4, then the current time on the keypad followed by asterisk and 2, then hold caps lock simultaneously with backspace. > In reality, Ctrl+Alt+Bspc always was a usability nightmare. If Windows > had something like this it would be roasted over an open fire, and > rightly so. That's BS. Windows was full of usability nightmares. Never hurt sales enough to matter. > IMHO changing the default was the correct decision. OTOH I have no idea > why people get so worked up about this, the last time I had to kill X > was several years ago. I had to do it more recently than that, but it did save me from losing other tasks that were running in the background. If they died they'd die, I'd survive, but it would have been annoying. Plus it probably does save greater possibility of damage to things like the filesystem in having to do a complete restart. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:27:47 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:27:47 -0600 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C0E8C3.9050302@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:31:23 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >>> [John Heinen] /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, >>> linux mint and >>> puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and >>> puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to >>> find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ >>> >>> >>> >> Look John, I assume your grown up. If your happy with windows 98 >> and it is working, just leave the Linux alone and use your windows! Stop >> all this waste of words on this list. >> >> > > Karl, > This guy didn't ask anything about Win98. Perhaps it was somewhat of a > thread hijack but, on the other hand, it was also somewhat related. > Whether or not he's grown up doesn't seem to be relevant. He received the > answer he needed, to use a partition tool. > > > > He was told 3 or 4 times to use the nice partition manager on the LiveCD but I don't think he understood. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From larryesu at charter.net Wed Mar 18 07:35:34 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:35:34 -0500 Subject: TKDESK Crashing at startup...??? In-Reply-To: References: <49BEB304.7050407@charter.net> Message-ID: <49C0A446.1020205@charter.net> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Larry Shields wrote: > >> *Has anyone yet found a fix to get TKDESK 2.0-9 to work instead of >> crashing upon starting up... >> >> It has been awhile now, so was woundering if anyone has gotten it to >> work... >> >> Thanks Larry >> > > Doesn't work for me in 8.10 > > tkdesksh[19208]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bfecfccc error 4 in > tkdesksh[8048000+b000] > > L. > > > > *Yes Lucio - - It has been that way since version 8.10, and there has been a few bug reports made about it... Yet so far nothing seems to have been worked on from the bug group... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:37:18 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:37:18 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903180537l66fa06dbw1c005f530ffb9691@mail.gmail.com> > So the alternative is what, an uber-group of intelligensia that rules > over idiots deemed too dim to learn lessons, keeping a group in power > over others in eternal technological servitude because they're simply > written off as too stupid to use the Internet or their own computers? > Well...maybe I like where your system is going after all. > You should read The Marching Morons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 12:42:39 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:42:39 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49C0EC3F.2080308@chrononomicon.com> David Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:18:53 -0500 > "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > >> Charlie Kravetz said: >>> From the release notes: >>> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by >>> users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this >>> function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap >>> --disable. >>> >>> and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made >>> and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew >>> about it. >> Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu may >> have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to consider >> going back to Debian unstable. >> Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. >> >> > > Oh fer crying out loud, as it says above, 'dontzap --disable' or edit your xorg.conf. What are you doing that you need to restart GDM/xorg so many times you need a short cut key? What's wrong with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'? When I had to use it...about two days ago...the screen was unreadable. I'd have to SSH into it from another system in order to get to a prompt to do the sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart... And no, it wouldn't switch to another terminal. From ubuntu at swhi.net Wed Mar 18 12:39:17 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:39:17 -0400 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > I have created a backup file of my documents on the command line using > tar utility. Now, I want to update the file periodically without > creating the backup file of all the documents again from the > ground-up. How do I update the backup file using tar? > Name of the file: docs_backup.tar.bz2 > Destination: /home/bb/Public > Source path: /media/d > > For backing up which method is better? tar utility or a gui > application? If gui application, what is the name? > For CLI, I've always preferred rsync as a snapshot backup util. Using the -av and --delete flags allows you to backup /source to /target. The first run is long if you've a lot of data to backup, but subsequent runs only backup the changed files, deleting on the /target any files which no longer exist on the source. Its not for all purposes, but its a great util to know about. man rsync for more. HTH, -Ray From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 12:46:48 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:46:48 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903180537l66fa06dbw1c005f530ffb9691@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180537l66fa06dbw1c005f530ffb9691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C0ED38.40309@chrononomicon.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> So the alternative is what, an uber-group of intelligensia that rules >> over idiots deemed too dim to learn lessons, keeping a group in power >> over others in eternal technological servitude because they're simply >> written off as too stupid to use the Internet or their own computers? >> Well...maybe I like where your system is going after all. >> > > You should read The Marching Morons: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons FTA: The elite work feverishly like slaves in order to keep the morons productive. The elite have had little success in solving The Problem for several reasons: 1) The morons must be managed, or else there will be chaos, and inevitably there would be five hundred million tons of rotting flesh left over; 2) it is not possible to sterilize all of the morons, as there are not nearly enough elite to do the job; and 3) propaganda against large families isn't working because every biological drive is towards fertility. ******************* So...it's like being a sysadmin now, if this were limited just to technology alone instead of the novella apparently referring to society in general? :-) From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:55:11 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:55:11 -0300 Subject: Stop software through run level In-Reply-To: <112513.55133.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <112513.55133.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/18 jiten jha : > Dear friends >                  how can i stop any software through run level tell me the > way or command. > (google "runlevel ubuntu" gives:) Read for instance: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html I guess your lagging behind on your homework... Google should be your very dear personal friend and first and main source of research... -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 13:09:42 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:09:42 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> Mario Vukelic said: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 00:18 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > Bending over too far backwards to accommodate Windows users, Ubuntu > > may have shot itself in the foot with that one. I might have to > > consider going back to Debian unstable. > > Sheesh, if I'd wanted windows I'd have stayed with Windows. > > Consider how ugly it is for someone to lose data due to accidentally > hitting a key combo that is (a) undocumented for all intents and > purposes as far as non-experts are concerned, and (b) terminates all > open applications without giving the user a chance to save. > > In reality, Ctrl+Alt+Bspc always was a usability nightmare. If Windows > had something like this it would be roasted over an open fire, and > rightly so. > > IMHO changing the default was the correct decision. OTOH I have no > idea why people get so worked up about this, the last time I had to > kill X was several years ago. > So if one anonymous idiot tells another of the same ilk to try will Ubuntu then remove the magic SysRQ keys' functions, too? I guess there's still . I just had a hard lock of X yesterday when compiz-fusion took it down. Hmm, hot reboot or kill X? I preserved the uptime. Where's the damage? I fully agree with Bart Silverstrim that anyone doing critical work shouldn't be trying out 'arcane' commands without saving and backing up anyway. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 13:13:48 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:13:48 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> David Curtis said: > Oh fer crying out loud, as it says above, 'dontzap --disable' or edit > your xorg.conf. I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone should want to jump through any more /additional/ hoops just to get a properly working Linux. Is that so wrong? should 'Just Work.' Do we next disable ? Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 13:21:02 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:21:02 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > David Curtis said: >> Oh fer crying out loud, as it says above, 'dontzap --disable' or edit >> your xorg.conf. > > I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone should want to jump > through any more /additional/ hoops just to get a properly working > Linux. Is that so wrong? should 'Just Work.' > Do we next disable ? Snip the cables leading off the power switch on the front and set the BIOS to power up when the power is plugged in :-) From ubuntu at swhi.net Wed Mar 18 13:27:19 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:27:19 -0400 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: <49C0F6B7.1090703@swhi.net> Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? > > I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be > able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound > still comes through the speakers. > > I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is > automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in > sound comes through the speakers like usual. > Try this: http://tinyurl.com/cofdfb HTH, -Ray From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 13:43:04 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:43:04 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> Here, let your comments be known: Ubuntu needs a command to restart X https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344818 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 13:37:11 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:37:11 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> > OTOH I have no idea > why people get so worked up about this, the last time I had to kill X > was several years ago. > You cannot imagine why people get so worked up about this precisely _because_ the last time that you had to kill X was several years ago. There are people who need to do this every week or even more often. Yes, it is indicative of bugs in the software that must be fixed, but why take away the workaround? How worked up would you be if this was taken from you around the time that you did need it? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 14:01:29 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:01:29 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C0FEB9.3010909@chrononomicon.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Here, let your comments be known: > > Ubuntu needs a command to restart X > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344818 Do you honestly think it will matter? Asking honest opinion...don't know past experiences others have had there with issues of this nature. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 14:26:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:26:34 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0FEB9.3010909@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> <49C0FEB9.3010909@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903180726h5b8082e9v6d6bc36688bf8a5a@mail.gmail.com> > Do you honestly think it will matter? > > Asking honest opinion...don't know past experiences others have had > there with issues of this nature. > Yes, I file bugs often. The developers appreciate that. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 14:35:36 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:35:36 -0400 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM [hijacked] In-Reply-To: <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Josh Holland wrote: > Sorry to hijack the thread, it's only slightly OT. > > Is 64MB RAM enough to run some sort of fileserver, or should I just not > even think about using the machine in question? Yes - it'll be ok - just no X for sure. Try a minimal install, or a minimal Debian install, or similar. Disable all the unused services. If all it's doing is serving files I bet you'll be pleasantly suprised. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 14:45:11 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:45:11 -0400 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Networking and USB In-Reply-To: <49C02474.7010204@mcsnet.ca> References: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> <84250c9c0903151833y2198235cjf08bf82e2cef9c29@mail.gmail.com> <49C02474.7010204@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: >>> Can a usb connected external (1) IDE drive, (2) SATA drive, or (3) FLASH >>> memory card be set up to be a share (let's say on machine A) on the >>> local LAN network and therefore accessible to read, write, and >>> executeable operations by other machines on that network (let's say on >>> machines B, C, and D) also providing their shares? >>> >> >> Yes. >> >> You mount the drive somewhere and share it thru samba, nfs, etc. >> >> > Are you saying for example that on Linux Ubuntu machine A: > > 1. I mount a SATA drive , format that drive as ext3 by means of a live > tools distribution like Knoppix or alternatively from the command line > of machine A and then > > 2 .Modify the SAMBA smb.conf file to show the SATA drive as a Samba > share and then do the terminal "testparm" command. > > 3, Then all machines on the same workgroup should be able to see the > SATA drive as a share of machine A and there is no additional work or > preliminary work and Ubuntu 8.4 will automatically through the USB > connection determine the presence of the external SATA drive??? > > 4. In addition, if a windows XP Home or XP PRO machine is mapped to this > SATA drive which is externally connected to machine A then it should > also be able to access that SATA drive as a share??? Ted - you're mixing your metaphors here so to speak. Samba shares file systems. It does not know or care how that file system is provided. eSata, USB or carrier pigeon.... Brian From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 14:49:07 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:49:07 -0400 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM [hijacked] In-Reply-To: References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> <20090317175047.GC10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <49C109E3.706@chrononomicon.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Josh Holland wrote: >> Sorry to hijack the thread, it's only slightly OT. >> >> Is 64MB RAM enough to run some sort of fileserver, or should I just not >> even think about using the machine in question? > > Yes - it'll be ok - just no X for sure. > > Try a minimal install, or a minimal Debian install, or similar. > Disable all the unused services. If all it's doing is serving files I > bet you'll be pleasantly suprised. Heck...what about looking into something like FreeNAS? Bootable distro just for serving files, nothing else. Probably others listed if you look in wikipedia for FreeNAS or google may have related distros for that too. From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 18 14:56:44 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:56:44 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090318105644.431732b9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:18:05 -0400 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > David Curtis wrote: > > > To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. > > Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when > X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of > control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try > SSH'ing into it and checking processes? I'm not trying to argue that > things stay the way they are because of mere tradition, but only that it > was a way to recover from an error, and the odds of "accidentally" > hitting it are slim. In theory someone only needs to be bitten once by > some ass on an IRC channel to know not to do that again (and get a > lesson on trusting strange people on faceless networks, probably). Sure, I agree. So now the 'slim chance' is protected against, and you and other knowledgeable people upon upgrade or install of Jaunty will: 'sudo apt-get install dontzap' 'dontzap --disable' and all will be well and good in the world again. > > There comes a point where people need to stop protecting everything with > bubble wrap and let mistakes happen; it's how people learn. As long as > the problem isn't something "unreasonable" (accidentally hitting C-A-B? > What are the odds?)...and who would be experimenting on their computer > while working on their grand master thesis due the next day without a > backup? Someone who deserves a reboot (or restart of X)? > > Just my opinion which of course is as valuable as the electrons burned > reading this... Energy can be neither created nor destroyed... I guarantee come May we will be giving this advice out (dontzap) over and over and over. -- David Curtis From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 15:00:07 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:00:07 +0700 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903180800n5e786797va8bd5386c2f5338@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Ray Leventhal wrote: >> > For CLI, I've always preferred rsync as a snapshot backup util.  Using > the -av and --delete flags allows you to backup /source to /target.  The > first run is long if you've a lot of data to backup, but subsequent runs > only backup the changed files, deleting on the /target any files which > no longer exist on the source. That is not a backup it's a mirror. As a direct consequence of doing what you advocate above any accidental removal of a file from your source will remove it from your backup. That's hardly what is needed of a backup. Bob -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From vpadro at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 15:01:04 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:01:04 -0600 Subject: Error to creating OS X in ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <113865.7296.qm@web23606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Alexandra Zaharia wrote: > Don't know about the rest of your problems; however, for this: > > > > > Tell me any good way then i create my own MAC OS X in ubuntu . > > > > you can > > > http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23 > > or > > http://www.taimila.com/?q=node/11 > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > use cairo-dock, the best dock ever: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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So now the 'slim chance' is protected against, and you and other knowledgeable people upon upgrade or install of Jaunty will: 'sudo apt-get install dontzap' 'dontzap --disable' and all will be well and good in the world again. > 1) Please don't post in HTML, see what it does to replies. 2) That is dependent on setting up _before_ the problem occurs. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From raptor at eagles-wing.net Wed Mar 18 15:52:31 2009 From: raptor at eagles-wing.net (Donald Raikes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:52:31 -0700 Subject: setting static ip address Message-ID: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> Hello, When I installed my intrepid system, it didn't give me the opportunity to configure the ethernet card to set a static ip address. How do I configure the ip address to switch from dhcp to static? -- TIA, Donald Raikes accessibility Specialist http://www.eagles-wing.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 16:01:00 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903180800n5e786797va8bd5386c2f5338@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> <8f6eb7340903180800n5e786797va8bd5386c2f5338@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Parker wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Ray Leventhal wrote: >> For CLI, I've always preferred rsync as a snapshot backup util. Using >> the -av and --delete flags allows you to backup /source to /target. The >> first run is long if you've a lot of data to backup, but subsequent runs >> only backup the changed files, deleting on the /target any files which >> no longer exist on the source. > > That is not a backup it's a mirror. As a direct consequence of doing > what you advocate above any accidental removal of a file from your > source will remove it from your backup. That's hardly what is needed > of a backup. > > Bob Well, it depends on how you look at it and how you implement it. In my case, I have two scripts. One does a backup every few hours in a day using rsync and the "-delete" flag. Then each day, another script backs up the most recent hourly backup using rsync. These are my rolling backup. I do this for as many days as I want. For now, I think I have for a few weeks. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From unreal.linux at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 16:05:50 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Unreal Root) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:05:50 -0400 Subject: setting static ip address In-Reply-To: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> References: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: <49C11BDE.5010607@gmail.com> Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > When I installed my intrepid system, it didn't give me the opportunity > to configure the ethernet card to set a static ip address. > > How do I configure the ip address to switch from dhcp to static? > > Open a terminal and type the following: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces You will see lines similar to this: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Change that to the following filling in the correct information for your network: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 Hope this helps. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 16:14:44 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:14:44 -0400 Subject: setting static ip address In-Reply-To: <49C11BDE.5010607@gmail.com> References: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> <49C11BDE.5010607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C11DF4.5090407@chrononomicon.com> Unreal Root wrote: > Donald Raikes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> When I installed my intrepid system, it didn't give me the opportunity >> to configure the ethernet card to set a static ip address. >> >> How do I configure the ip address to switch from dhcp to static? >> >> > Open a terminal and type the following: > > sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces > > You will see lines similar to this: > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > Change that to the following filling in the correct information for your > network: > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.1.50 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.1.0 > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > gateway 192.168.1.1 > > Hope this helps. Network manager, in my experiences on recent Ubuntu releases. has sucked. Manual editing of that file can interfere with tools later on, though... My best experiences have been from advice here to install wicd. Google "wicd install ubuntu" and you should find the homepage for the project that includes directions on adding it to your repo list for your Ubuntu release, then install that and you can set it for a static IP and not have it magically disappear or lose the connection altogether the way network manager has done to me before. From richardkimber at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 16:24:34 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:24:34 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <20090318162434.6584e3a0@infinity.localnet> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:08:46 -0400 David Curtis wrote: > The whole point of my example was that a newb was instructed to use > C-A-B without knowing to shutdown all her apps, possibly losing data. But doesn't your objection apply to any method of restarting X that doesn't also warn about shutting down apps? It seems to me that it's not the C-A-B that's the problem in your example. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From ender8282 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 16:30:16 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:30:16 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0FEB9.3010909@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> <49C0FEB9.3010909@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C12198.40808@yahoo.com> > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Here, let your comments be known: >> >> Ubuntu needs a command to restart X >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344818 >> Thanks for filling the bug. I added a comment. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 16:30:58 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903180843t27d40deag687717e241268f9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <20090318105644.431732b9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903180843t27d40deag687717e241268f9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 08:43 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Sure, I agree. So now the 'slim chance' is protected against, and you and other knowledgeable people upon upgrade or install of Jaunty will: 'sudo apt-get install dontzap' 'dontzap --disable' and all will be well and good in the world again. >> > > 1) Please don't post in HTML, see what it does to replies. > 2) That is dependent on setting up _before_ the problem occurs. > Huh? He didn't post in HTML: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But your's is always interesting: :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > PiBTdXJlLCBJIGFncmVlLiBTbyBub3cgdGhlICdzbGltIGNoYW5jZScgaXMgcHJvdGVjdGVkIGFn > YWluc3QsIGFuZCB5b3UgYW5kIG90aGVyIGtub3dsZWRnZWFibGUgcGVvcGxlIHVwb24gdXBncmFk > ZSBvciBpbnN0YWxsIG9mIEphdW50eSB3aWxsOiAnc3VkbyBhcHQtZ2V0IGluc3RhbGwgZG9udHph > cCcgJ2RvbnR6YXAgLS1kaXNhYmxlJyBhbmQgYWxsIHdpbGwgYmUgd2VsbCBhbmQgZ29vZCBpbiB0 > aGUgd29ybGQgYWdhaW4uCj4KCjEpIFBsZWFzZSBkb24ndCBwb3N0IGluIEhUTUwsIHNlZSB3aGF0 > IGl0IGRvZXMgdG8gcmVwbGllcy4KMikgVGhhdCBpcyBkZXBlbmRlbnQgb24gc2V0dGluZyB1cCBf > YmVmb3JlXyB0aGUgcHJvYmxlbSBvY2N1cnMuCgotLSAKRG90YW4gQ29oZW4KCmh0dHA6Ly93aGF0 > LWlzLXdoYXQuY29tCmh0dHA6Ly9naWJiZXJpc2guY28uaWwKCteQLdeRLdeSLdeTLdeULdeVLdeW > LdeXLdeYLdeZLdeaLdebLdecLdedLdeeLdefLdegLdehLdeiLdejLdekLdelLdemLdenLdeoLdep > LdeqCtinLdioLdiqLdirLdisLditLdiuLdivLdiwLdixLdiyLdizLdi0Ldi1Ldi2Ldi3Ldi4Ldi5 > Ldi6LdmBLdmCLdmDLdmELdmFLdmGLdmH4oCNLdmILdmKCtCQLdCRLdCSLdCTLdCULdCVLdCBLdCW > LdCXLdCYLdCZLdCaLdCbLdCcLdCdLdCeLdCfLdCgLdChLdCiLdCjLdCkLdClLdCmLdCnLdCoLdCp > LdCqLdCrLdCsLdCtLdCuLdCvCtCwLdCxLdCyLdCzLdC0LdC1LdGRLdC2LdC3LdC4LdC5LdC6LdC7 > LdC8LdC9LdC+LdC/LdGALdGBLdGCLdGDLdGELdGFLdGGLdGHLdGILdGJLdGKLdGLLdGMLdGNLdGO > LdGPCsOkLcO2LcO8LcOfLcOELcOWLcOcCi0tIAp1YnVudHUtdXNlcnMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CnVi > dW50dS11c2Vyc0BsaXN0cy51YnVudHUuY29tCk1vZGlmeSBzZXR0aW5ncyBvciB1bnN1YnNjcmli > ZSBhdDogaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy51YnVudHUuY29tL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdWJ1bnR1LXVz > ZXJzCg== From rev.olson at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 16:43:45 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:43:45 -0700 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <49C0F6B7.1090703@swhi.net> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> <49C0F6B7.1090703@swhi.net> Message-ID: <200903180943.54408.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Wednesday 18 March 2009 6:27:19 am Ray Leventhal wrote: > Donald Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > > > How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? > > > > I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be > > able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound > > still comes through the speakers. > > > > I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is > > automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in > > sound comes through the speakers like usual. > > Try this: > > http://tinyurl.com/cofdfb > > HTH, No, that was no help at all. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:11:59 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: Printer problem In-Reply-To: <49BEADD0.5020903@zionundy.me.uk> References: <49BEADD0.5020903@zionundy.me.uk> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903181011x6cab5105ya6e2a4e0371cc209@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Bernard G Hill wrote: > I am using Ubuntu 8-10 and find that when printing to the HP Color > laserjet 3505 via USB only one job will print. When that job is > finished, it can be several pages of a document, the message 'the > printer may not be connected' is displayed. To resume printing either > the printer has to be switched off and then on again or the USB > connector disconnected and then reconnected. This will allow one more > job to be printed. > > Another problem, which may be related as it involves USB, is that the > computer will not boot up but hangs if the external USB drive is > connected and switched on. This is just a nuisance and only needs a > check before booting but the printer problem is a bit more serious. Are you connecting through a USB hub? If so, try removing it and connecting directly. Is there any chance the cables are damaged or defective? Once you are sure of the physical connection, if your printing is still a problem, try disconnecting the printer, deleting the printer icon in the printer tool, waiting a minute, then reconnecting (and turning on) the printer. When it's detected, watch very carefully and be certain it chooses exactly the right model. If it doesn't display the list of printer models and choose your exact model from the list. Using a fresh configuration, try printing again. As for the external drive, once you are sure of the physical connection, you might check to see whether your computer's BIOS is set to attempt to boot from a USB device. It's possible the drive has some fragment of a boot loader on it and the computer is trying to boot, but cannot. If it does, you can probably reorder the drives in your BIOS boot options, or use the Partition Editor to find the errant partition and remove the bootable flag and/or erase the partition. (Of course you must back up all your data on the drive FIRST!!!) Good luck..! From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:16:29 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:16:29 -0400 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? > > I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be > able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound > still comes through the speakers. > > I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is > automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in > sound comes through the speakers like usual. > Which version of Ubuntu are you using? If yours has pulseaudio installed, then you are all set. As far as I now, changing audio devices for an application on the fly is the easiest in Pulseaudio. Once you plug in your audio headset, it is listed as an additional device and you can then control which of the devices is going to be your default device, or if you want only certain applications to output their audio to a particular device. The way to do this to start PulseAudio's Device chooser application. No idea how to make this 'on the fly' thing work in alsa though. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 17:24:30 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:24:30 -0700 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 02:28 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? > > I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be > able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound > still comes through the speakers. > > I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is > automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in > sound comes through the speakers like usual. > Right click the audio icon, select 'Open Volume Control', click 'Preferences', tick 'Headphone Jack Sense'. You will now see a new tab labeled 'Switches' next to the 'Playback' tab, click it. Now, tick 'Headphone Jack Sense'. From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:25:01 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:25:01 -0500 Subject: Printer Driver: how to change it ? In-Reply-To: <20090316192355.e6dc1389.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090316192355.e6dc1389.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903181025w3dd964cbh8269235db24d33c2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > I am on Ubuntu 8.10, and apparently the printer configuration tool > (System->Admnistration->Printing) does not let me specify the driver I > want to use. In previous versions of Ubuntu, the Print admin tool > offered a list of 3 or 4 drivers for me to chose from. > How to specify/select what driver to use, in 8.10 ? apparently the only time you can change the driver is when you create the new printer queue, so just start the process to create a new print queue and choose your driver then. If it won't allow you to create more than one queue pointing to the same printer, you'll have to delete the old one and start over for each attempt. ALTERNATIVELY, you can connect to CUPS using your web browser. Go to this address: http://localhost:631 then choose the existing print queue and specify a different driver. > I am trying to change the driver because the default driver in 8.10 has > problems that I find more than annoying (printer is a HP Laserjet 6P): > > - When I print a PDF file, the driver is so slow to process the job, I have had some similar problems in eeebuntu 8.10 running on my ASUS netbook... I think there is some sort of strangeness with the printer tool or CUPS in 8.10. On my network it usually seems to work best printing from 8.10 to a printer attached to another 8.10 system. I have sometimes made it work better by deleting and re-creating the printer queue using either the printer tool or the web interface. From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:28:42 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:28:42 -0500 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903181028q19167b08x140da91d72a5ab1f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/17/2009 02:28 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? >> >> I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be >> able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound >> still comes through the speakers. >> >> I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is >> automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in >> sound comes through the speakers like usual. >> > > Right click the audio icon, select 'Open Volume Control', click > 'Preferences', tick 'Headphone Jack Sense'. You will now see a new tab > labeled 'Switches' next to the 'Playback' tab, click it. Now, tick > 'Headphone Jack Sense'. does that work for USB headphones (which don't use the "headphone jack")? That's what the OP was describing but I don't have any so I cannot test. From kaushalshriyan at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:35:56 2009 From: kaushalshriyan at gmail.com (Kaushal Shriyan) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:05:56 +0530 Subject: Load Balancer Message-ID: <6b16fb4c0903181035k3eabf83fxfac9737d145e43b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Is there an open source Load balancer available on Ubuntu Linux ? Thanks and Regards Kaushal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 17:36:15 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:36:15 -0700 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0903181028q19167b08x140da91d72a5ab1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> <3c5484cf0903181028q19167b08x140da91d72a5ab1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 10:28 AM, Tommy Trussell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM, NoOp wrote: >> On 03/17/2009 02:28 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? >>> >>> I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be >>> able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound >>> still comes through the speakers. >>> >>> I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is >>> automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in >>> sound comes through the speakers like usual. >>> >> >> Right click the audio icon, select 'Open Volume Control', click >> 'Preferences', tick 'Headphone Jack Sense'. You will now see a new tab >> labeled 'Switches' next to the 'Playback' tab, click it. Now, tick >> 'Headphone Jack Sense'. > > does that work for USB headphones (which don't use the "headphone > jack")? That's what the OP was describing but I don't have any so I > cannot test. > Ah... you are right, it probably doesn't. I'll brew some more coffee :-) From anthony.rasat at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:42:50 2009 From: anthony.rasat at gmail.com (Anthony M. Rasat) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:50 +0000 Subject: Linux VM: Overcommit Memory and Ratio Message-ID: <716719022-1237398178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651350852-@bxe1005.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Heya guys, I had a OOM (Out Of Memory) situation. This machine have 512 MB RAM and 1 GB swap running Apache MySQL PHP. Something went wrong in PHP (which I'm not gonna discuss) and MySQL ended up wanted memory more than system ever owned. Now, to avoid that incident in future, I readjusted /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 (default 0) and /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio to 50 (default 50 too). My question is what side effect will showed up? Will MySQL start to slowing down? Will Apache begin to fail? I know more RAM is better idea but what if PHP gone berserk again? Will it better if OOM killer kept loose otherwise? Thanks for your insights. -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Selatan 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com From juliosergio at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:43:13 2009 From: juliosergio at gmail.com (JulioSergio) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems with vncserver / vncviewer Message-ID: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> Hello, I started a vncserver in a RedHat Machine with: vncserver :11 -geometry 1000x700 The machine responded with xauth: (stdin):1: bad display name "elcaos.imta.mx:11" in "add" command New 'elcaos.imta.mx:11 (checo)' desktop is elcaos.imta.mx:11 Starting applications specified in /home/checo/.vnc/xstartup The content of the xstartup file is: #!/bin/sh # Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop: unset SESSION_MANAGER export DESKTOP="GNOME" exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc When I run the vnc client (vncviewer) in my Ubuntu Work Station the only thing I get is a black window, with an "x" that moves as I move the mouse. The thing is that in the beginning the pair (vncserver / vncviewer) worked pretty well but now is just displaying this weird window. This window is shown in the image below: http://www.nabble.com/file/p22584604/VncView.png Do you have any idea on what's happening? Thanks Sergio. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-vncserver---vncviewer-tp22584604p22584604.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 17:42:13 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:42:13 -0700 Subject: enablign usb headset In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0903181028q19167b08x140da91d72a5ab1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237325299.6350.11.camel@draikes-lap> <3c5484cf0903181028q19167b08x140da91d72a5ab1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 10:28 AM, Tommy Trussell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM, NoOp wrote: >> On 03/17/2009 02:28 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> How do I enable my usb headset under intrepid? >>> >>> I hear everything perfectly through the speakers, but I would like to be >>> able to use my usb headset at times, but when I plug it in, the sound >>> still comes through the speakers. >>> >>> I would like it to be that when I plug in the headset audio is >>> automatically switched to the headset, but if they are not plugged in >>> sound comes through the speakers like usual. >>> >> >> Right click the audio icon, select 'Open Volume Control', click >> 'Preferences', tick 'Headphone Jack Sense'. You will now see a new tab >> labeled 'Switches' next to the 'Playback' tab, click it. Now, tick >> 'Headphone Jack Sense'. > > does that work for USB headphones (which don't use the "headphone > jack")? That's what the OP was describing but I don't have any so I > cannot test. > OK, try this one instead: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=989586 [I've got a USB headphones] Just install the PulseAudio Device Chooser (its package is called padevchooser) Run it (it will create a menu entry in Application → Sound & Video) and it will put its icon in your taskbar. Left-click on its icon and select Volume Control. In the Playback tab you should see the audio streams of the various applications (the one that produce sound, that is) you are running (e.g. Totem, Flash, etc.). Left click on the stream you want, select Move Stream... and a list will appear listing your audio devices (in your case your soundcard and USB headset). You can then select the audio device you want this application to use to send its sound to. And so on... PulseAudio will remember the audio device you have selected the next time you run this application. Thus, you are having great flexibility on deciding what audio device each of your applications to use. Plus, you are getting individual volume levels per application. In the Output Devices tab you can set the audio device you want to be used as the default by right-clicking on it and enabling the Default option. The same for the Input Devices. You can set the PulseAudio Device Chooser to start every time you login from its preferences (i.e. left-click on its icon and select Preferences). Hope you like it. I think it is exactly what you want, right? From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 18 17:47:12 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:47:12 +0100 Subject: Printer Driver: how to change it ? In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0903181025w3dd964cbh8269235db24d33c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090316192355.e6dc1389.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <3c5484cf0903181025w3dd964cbh8269235db24d33c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090318184712.06261cda.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:25:01 -0500 Tommy Trussell wrote: > ALTERNATIVELY, you can connect to CUPS using your web browser. Go to > this address: http://localhost:631 then choose the existing print > queue and specify a different driver. Ah, thanks Tommy. The CUPS web front-end indeed lets me select the driver, phew ! :-) And there are no less than SIX drivers for my printer, wow... some people don't even have any driver at all, and me, I have 6 of them ! This is unfair ;-) -- Vince From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 17:49:44 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:49:44 -0700 Subject: Load Balancer In-Reply-To: <6b16fb4c0903181035k3eabf83fxfac9737d145e43b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b16fb4c0903181035k3eabf83fxfac9737d145e43b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 10:35 AM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote: > Hi > > Is there an open source Load balancer available on Ubuntu Linux ? > > Thanks and Regards > > Kaushal > This question came up on the 4th... "Linux Router(Load Balancer) cum proxyserver". I suggested: > Perhaps: > > > will help? > > Examples: > > > http://www.unix-tutorials.com/go.php?id=3691 > [How To Set Up A Loadbalanced High-Availability Apache Cluster Based On > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS] > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP > http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ > http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Load_balancer And Victor suggested: > The easiest way for me after looking for many alternatives was > Pfsense, > although can be done with any linux distro, specially Ubuntu. From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 18 18:07:22 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:07:22 +0100 Subject: Printer Driver: how to change it ? In-Reply-To: <20090318184712.06261cda.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090316192355.e6dc1389.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <3c5484cf0903181025w3dd964cbh8269235db24d33c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090318184712.06261cda.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090318190722.09d951dc.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:47:12 +0100 Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > And there are no less than SIX drivers for my printer, wow... some > people don't even have any driver at all, and me, I have 6 of them ! > This is unfair ;-) Geez, I have just finished testing all 6 drivers... and NONE of them works ! They all print black on white instead of white on black, when I select blackéwhite mode instead of greyscale. Hmm.. maybe it's a problem with OpenOffice Draw then, rather than the printer driver.... I will need to do some more debugging... -- Vince, where did they say that Linux "just worked" for common tasks... From smoot at tic.com Wed Mar 18 18:09:05 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:09:05 -0700 Subject: Linux VM: Overcommit Memory and Ratio In-Reply-To: <716719022-1237398178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651350852-@bxe1005.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> References: <716719022-1237398178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651350852-@bxe1005.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1237399745.5208.975.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 17:42 +0000, Anthony M. Rasat wrote: > Heya guys, > > I had a OOM (Out Of Memory) situation. This machine have 512 MB RAM > and 1 GB swap running Apache MySQL PHP. Something went wrong in PHP > (which I'm not gonna discuss) and MySQL ended up wanted memory more > than system ever owned. > > Now, to avoid that incident in future, I > readjusted /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 (default 0) > and /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio to 50 (default 50 too). > > My question is what side effect will showed up? Will MySQL start to > slowing down? Will Apache begin to fail? I know more RAM is better > idea but what if PHP gone berserk again? Will it better if OOM killer > kept loose otherwise? Thanks for your insights. > With the settings you have, you could still overcommit virtual memory. So the OOM state could still occur depending on the VM sizes of your process mix. You have reduced the likelyhood of this event, since the default is to allow malloc() to always succeed and you have the VM system set to fail malloc()s when the total virtual memory size of all processes exceeds swap plus half of your physical memory. You could set the overcommit_ratio to 0 and be guaranteed there is enough paging space for all processes. With the above in mind, I think your performance should be about the same. You are simply allowing processes to die when they run out of memory. This is assuming the programs handle failed malloc() calls gracefully. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 18:28:43 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:28:43 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <20090318105644.431732b9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903180843t27d40deag687717e241268f9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903181128w4db7e4e9uc7cfb4afacbaf4af@mail.gmail.com> > Huh? He didn't post in HTML: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Then Gmail mungled it. I am sorry for accusing before checking. > But your's is always interesting: :-) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Gmail base64 encodes UTF-8 mail that spans more than one ISO charset. I have yet to hear about an email client that cannot handle it, though. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 18:33:11 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:33:11 -0700 Subject: Printer Driver: how to change it ? In-Reply-To: <20090318190722.09d951dc.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090316192355.e6dc1389.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <3c5484cf0903181025w3dd964cbh8269235db24d33c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090318184712.06261cda.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090318190722.09d951dc.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 11:07 AM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:47:12 +0100 > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > >> And there are no less than SIX drivers for my printer, wow... some >> people don't even have any driver at all, and me, I have 6 of them ! >> This is unfair ;-) > > Geez, I have just finished testing all 6 drivers... and NONE of them > works ! They all print black on white instead of white on black, when I > select blackéwhite mode instead of greyscale. > > Hmm.. maybe it's a problem with OpenOffice Draw then, rather than the > printer driver.... I will need to do some more debugging... > Printing B&W in OOo Draw (or other programs) will always leave out the background/shading. Plus, it's an OOo setting, not a printer setting. If you need deeper black then I'd recommend adjusting your printer settings and/or color profile. Test by printing to a pdf first (cups-pdf) & then when you get it just right, print to the printer. In OOo: F1 then 'black and white printing' Black & white converts all colors into the two values black and white. All borders around objects are printed black. All text will be printed in black. A background set by Format - Page - Background will not be printed. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 18:51:34 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:51:34 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:31 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > And doesn't have recent backups...if it's important (I know, users > don't make backups!) I was talking about unsaved work, of course From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 18:52:51 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:52:51 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237402371.13857.28.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:31 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > That's BS. Windows was full of usability nightmares. Never hurt sales > enough to matter. It still was roasted over open fires by the usability "community" From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 18:53:18 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:53:18 -0400 Subject: Problems with vncserver / vncviewer In-Reply-To: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, JulioSergio wrote: >    xauth: (stdin):1:  bad display name "elcaos.imta.mx:11" in "add" command I wonder if that's the problem. Why 11? Does say :2 work? I wonder if there's a defined number of instances somewhere.... Brian From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 18:57:02 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:57:02 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:09 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > So if one anonymous idiot tells another of the same ilk to try > > will Ubuntu then remove the magic SysRQ keys' functions, too? > I guess there's still . Compare the ease of hitting the two combos accidentally. And actually I'd be in favor of disabling that, too. Anyone who cares can enable it. > I just had a hard lock of X yesterday when compiz-fusion took it down. > Hmm, hot reboot or kill X? > I preserved the uptime. Where's the damage? Did you have unsaved work? That's where the damage would have been. > I fully agree with Bart Silverstrim that anyone doing critical work > shouldn't be trying out 'arcane' commands without saving and backing up > anyway. Windows handles Ctrl+Alt+Del correctly and gracefully. The Backspace key is right next to Del and is large. Easy to slip. Killing user session from software without a question is horrible. Usability engineering 101: "Treat user data as sacred" From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:02:44 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:02:44 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:31 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> And doesn't have recent backups...if it's important (I know, users >> don't make backups!) > > I was talking about unsaved work, of course There's that element, but unsaved work is what, a few minutes to a few hours? Compared to stuff that kills your heart, like photos of your teenager when they were babies? Or a thesis you've been working on for over a year? From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Wed Mar 18 19:01:20 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:01:20 -0400 Subject: Linux VM: Overcommit Memory and Ratio In-Reply-To: <716719022-1237398178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651350852-@bxe1005.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> References: <716719022-1237398178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651350852-@bxe1005.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C14500.6060804@tigershaunt.com> Anthony M. Rasat wrote: > Heya guys, > > I had a OOM (Out Of Memory) situation. This machine have 512 MB RAM and 1 GB swap running Apache MySQL PHP. Something went wrong in PHP (which I'm not gonna discuss) and MySQL ended up wanted memory more than system ever owned. > > Now, to avoid that incident in future, I readjusted /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 (default 0) and /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio to 50 (default 50 too). > > My question is what side effect will showed up? Will MySQL start to slowing down? Will Apache begin to fail? I know more RAM is better idea but what if PHP gone berserk again? Will it better if OOM killer kept loose otherwise? Thanks for your insights. > The side effect is that OOM will never kill memory hogging process. In practice, if PHP goes wild, it requests more memory, the kernel denies it, PHP crashes, and released all that was already leaked, so all is good. In theory however, nothing says that PHP, (or any other memory hog) has to crash if memory allocation fails. A process can consume all available memory, and continue running so long as it's coded to handle the failure when Malloc doesn't work anymore. As a consequence however, you won't be able to log in to fix things, since you won't even be able to allocate memory to open a new terminal, and will likely have to reboot. The more graceful solution would be to ulimit to restrict the amount of memory your PHP running terminal (or whatever you call the top level process for something started in init) is allowed to have. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:06:16 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:06:16 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: >> I fully agree with Bart Silverstrim that anyone doing critical work >> shouldn't be trying out 'arcane' commands without saving and backing up >> anyway. > > Windows handles Ctrl+Alt+Del correctly and gracefully. The Backspace key > is right next to Del and is large. Easy to slip. Why in hades would you be reaching for control-alt-del and expect data intact or no harm to occur, but complain if you miss and hit control-alt-back? > Killing user session from software without a question is horrible. > Usability engineering 101: "Treat user data as sacred" And the reason you're killing the session is because the session is screwed up to begin with. How the hell does it prompt or warn when my screen consists of a pointer and lots of wavy, stepped jitters? That's assuming that the server is still in a state to even respond to a prompt in the first place! All this bitching over an obscure key combination when far more of my users kick the damn power cable out "accidentally" or rest their foot on the switch on the power bar. Why not complain about removing that hazard for awhile on the list? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:03:09 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:03:09 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:37 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > You cannot imagine why people get so worked up about this precisely > _because_ the last time that you had to kill X was several years ago. > There are people who need to do this every week or even more often. If this happened to me, then I would get worked up about *these bugs*, not about a horrible kludge being removed *by default*. WTF are you doing that hoses X once a week? > Yes, it is indicative of bugs in the software that must be fixed, but > why take away the workaround? It was not taken away. It takes a simple command to enable it when you need it (and I read somewhere that there will be a menu option, too). Users that don't know about the dontzap command (or future menu option) are the same users who don't know about Ctrl+Alt+Bsp in the first place, so where's the hurt? BTW, I fully agree that Ubuntu should have a way to restart X on demand, even when X is hosed. But this should not be a key combo that can kill the whole session by accident of a simple finger slip without asking questions. It's one thing Windows got right. There, Ctl+Alt+Del is intercepted by *the kernel*. This takes care of preventing false login prompts as well as giving the user an option to back out. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:04:24 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:04:24 +0100 Subject: backup problem In-Reply-To: References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> <8f6eb7340903180800n5e786797va8bd5386c2f5338@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237403064.13857.39.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:01 -0400, H.S. wrote: > In my case, I have two scripts. One does a backup every few hours in a > day using rsync and the "-delete" flag. Then each day, another script > backs up the most recent hourly backup using rsync. backup-rdiff is probably the better and simpler tool to do something like this. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:05:55 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:05:55 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:22 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does Huh? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:08:56 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:08:56 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318162434.6584e3a0@infinity.localnet> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318162434.6584e3a0@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <1237403336.13857.42.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:24 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > But doesn't your objection apply to any method of restarting X that > doesn't also warn about shutting down apps? Are you comparing the likelihood of accidentally switching to a terminal and typing "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" to accidentally hitting Ctrl+Alt +Bsp when you reached for Ctrl+Alt+Del out of Windows habit? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:10:46 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:10:46 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:02 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > There's that element, but unsaved work is what, a few minutes to a few > hours? Again, usability engineering 101: "treat user data as sacred". Killing the session without questions does not do this. > Compared to stuff that kills your heart, like photos of your > teenager when they were babies? Or a thesis you've been working on for > over a year? I fail to see what this has to do with the topic. From juliosergio at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:14:02 2009 From: juliosergio at gmail.com (JulioSergio) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems with vncserver / vncviewer In-Reply-To: References: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <22586421.post@talk.nabble.com> Brian McKee wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, JulioSergio > wrote: >>    xauth: (stdin):1:  bad display name "elcaos.imta.mx:11" in "add" >> command > > I wonder if that's the problem. Why 11? Does say :2 work? I wonder > if there's a defined number of instances somewhere.... > > Brian > > Right, I tried the display you suggested (:2), and the same thing happens again, i.e., the same black window appears with nothing else. Sergio. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-vncserver---vncviewer-tp22584604p22586421.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:15:48 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:15:48 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:06 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Why in hades would you be reaching for control-alt-del and expect data > intact or no harm to occur, but complain if you miss and hit > control-alt-back? Ever used Windows? Other people have. > And the reason you're killing the session is because the session is > screwed up to begin with. Not when you accidentally kill it because you did not know about the key combo and missed Del. > How the hell does it prompt or warn when my > screen consists of a pointer and lots of wavy, stepped jitters? That's > assuming that the server is still in a state to even respond to a prompt > in the first place! Intercept it by the kernel, restart the graphics driver. You know, the thing even Windows does. > All this bitching over an obscure key combination when far more of my > users kick the damn power cable out "accidentally" or rest their foot on > the switch on the power bar. Why not complain about removing that hazard > for awhile on the list? The complaints come from those who whine because they have to run a command (or, in the future, check a box) to enable the old behavior. As far as the power cable goes: you know, if a user new to Ubuntu trips over his power cable and shuts down the machine, do you think they will blame Ubuntu? Now, what if they press some key combo by accident (probably without even knowing - happens to me all the time when I write fast) that takes down their session? Who do you think they will blame? From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:30:32 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:30:32 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:22 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does > > Huh? The full context was: Honestly...how does it save lives preventing X restarting? And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does at a critical moment of someone's life connected to that computer? CAB---control alt backspace... What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know about C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is relying on it? The real huh was the statement about saving someone's life by getting rid of control-alt-backspace. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:32:00 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237403336.13857.42.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318162434.6584e3a0@infinity.localnet> <1237403336.13857.42.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14C30.7090602@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:24 +0000, R Kimber wrote: >> But doesn't your objection apply to any method of restarting X that >> doesn't also warn about shutting down apps? > > Are you comparing the likelihood of accidentally switching to a terminal > and typing "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" to accidentally hitting Ctrl+Alt > +Bsp when you reached for Ctrl+Alt+Del out of Windows habit? That's the point...I *couldn't* switch to a terminal. X wouldn't let me. Screen was garbled, and static. Not moving. Except for my pointer. I was reduced to waving me pointer about the screen. So unless you want to kill X by holding middle button + mouse gesture, that doesn't work. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:35:56 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:35:56 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:02 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> There's that element, but unsaved work is what, a few minutes to a few >> hours? > > Again, usability engineering 101: "treat user data as sacred". Killing > the session without questions does not do this. > >> Compared to stuff that kills your heart, like photos of your >> teenager when they were babies? Or a thesis you've been working on for >> over a year? > > I fail to see what this has to do with the topic. Are you being obtuse? You should be able to recreate a few minutes, or even an hour's work, with tears and anger, but it can be done. Replacing data that is years old is much different. Replacing work you've been working on for months or days is much different. Losing less than a day of work...hell, a power outage can do that. Many things can go wrong to do that. Keep a bloody backup of data and information that's important so you don't lose everything. How do you fail to see that as relevant? From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:44:47 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:44:47 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C14F2F.9080302@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:06 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Why in hades would you be reaching for control-alt-del and expect data >> intact or no harm to occur, but complain if you miss and hit >> control-alt-back? > > Ever used Windows? Other people have. I've been known to. I never slipped and hit backspace. And when reaching for it, it's for killing something in task manager that's already fubared, and may have already lost data. When playing with system things, I generally don't keep my checkbook ledger up, or transfer vital data and decide to screw with my video resolution or compiz settings mid-transfer. >> And the reason you're killing the session is because the session is >> screwed up to begin with. > > Not when you accidentally kill it because you did not know about the key > combo and missed Del. Why are you reaching for control-alt-del? In windows, you can what...change your password, run task manager (right click task bar for that),...log off...? Ubuntu 8.10 it's doing nothing on mine. So newbies are hitting it without paying attention to do...? Is it really so big an epidemic that people are losing gigs of data, days of work, because of this? >> How the hell does it prompt or warn when my >> screen consists of a pointer and lots of wavy, stepped jitters? That's >> assuming that the server is still in a state to even respond to a prompt >> in the first place! > > Intercept it by the kernel, restart the graphics driver. You know, the > thing even Windows does. Good thing X is totally integrated with the Linux kernel the way Windows is. As I recall the more integrated Microsoft made it, the more flak they got for making it easier for drivers to ruin their security model. >> All this bitching over an obscure key combination when far more of my >> users kick the damn power cable out "accidentally" or rest their foot on >> the switch on the power bar. Why not complain about removing that hazard >> for awhile on the list? > > The complaints come from those who whine because they have to run a > command (or, in the future, check a box) to enable the old behavior. Never had to. It's always worked that way. If this is in a future release, it's because someone wants to change something that works fine the way it is, and now wants to add a new "feature" that will make it just a little more of a bitch when moving between distros. > As far as the power cable goes: you know, if a user new to Ubuntu trips > over his power cable and shuts down the machine, do you think they will > blame Ubuntu? Why not? Their fudged fingers means they blame Ubuntu instead of their own klutz behavior at the keyboard, apparently... > Now, what if they press some key combo by accident (probably without > even knowing - happens to me all the time when I write fast) that takes > down their session? Who do you think they will blame? Blame yourself if you do that. I blame myself when I hit the wrong key, close the wrong window, click the wrong button...I did it, I don't do it again! If the C-A-B is killing users, set an option to disable it, not vice-versa. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:42:39 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:42:39 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:30 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know > about C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is > relying on it? Ah, I see, I did not get the connection. Still, what kind of idiot sysadmin would run Linux on a device that is responsible for lives with C-A-B left enabled? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:44:43 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:44:43 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14C30.7090602@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318162434.6584e3a0@infinity.localnet> <1237403336.13857.42.camel@chronic> <49C14C30.7090602@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237405483.13857.53.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:32 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:24 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > >> But doesn't your objection apply to any method of restarting X that > >> doesn't also warn about shutting down apps? > > > > Are you comparing the likelihood of accidentally switching to a terminal > > and typing "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" to accidentally hitting Ctrl+Alt > > +Bsp when you reached for Ctrl+Alt+Del out of Windows habit? > That's the point... Well, it was not the point of what R Kimber wrote as far as can tell. > I *couldn't* switch to a terminal. > > X wouldn't let me. > > Screen was garbled, and static. Not moving. Except for my pointer. I was > reduced to waving me pointer about the screen. So unless you want to > kill X by holding middle button + mouse gesture, that doesn't work. Yeah, I know that this can happen. I'm just saying that this is no reason to implement a braindead kill switch by default, but that it should be handled gracefully. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:45:37 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:45:37 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237405537.13857.54.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:35 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Are you being obtuse? I hope not :) > You should be able to recreate a few minutes, or > even an hour's work, with tears and anger, but it can be done. Replacing > data that is years old is much different. Replacing work you've been > working on for months or days is much different. Losing less than a day > of work...hell, a power outage can do that. Many things can go wrong to > do that. Keep a bloody backup of data and information that's important > so you don't lose everything. > > How do you fail to see that as relevant? I don't see how this is relevant because it has nothing to do with X, C-A-B, etc. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 18 19:46:24 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:46:24 -0400 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903151646x5930cbf5r9130730a6783ad07@mail.gmail.com> <49BDB5C9.5070502@gatech.edu> <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49C14F90.8000004@gatech.edu> don fisher wrote: > I will post progress when I get somewhere. I have tried to build a new > kernel from the online source, You should not need a new kernel. As I said, you should be able to create a 10 TB filesystem with 4 KB blocks, and 4 KB blocks should not require a new kernel. Matt Flaschen From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:50:18 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:50:18 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:30 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know >> about C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is >> relying on it? > > Ah, I see, I did not get the connection. Still, what kind of idiot > sysadmin would run Linux on a device that is responsible for lives with > C-A-B left enabled? What kind of idiot hires someone who evidently doesn't know the tool in the first place and puts them in charge of someone's life, hence my original reference to cookie cutter sysadmins with a year of experience in some classroom and no clue what the hell they're doing? What kind of idiot uses Linux to do that in the first place, given that I don't think it is certified for use on lifesaving equipment whatsoever? What kind of idiots argues about a non-point like this that probably had no basis in reality? Us, evidently. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 19:51:29 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:51:29 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237405537.13857.54.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> <1237405537.13857.54.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C150C1.5010605@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:35 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Are you being obtuse? > > I hope not :) > >> You should be able to recreate a few minutes, or >> even an hour's work, with tears and anger, but it can be done. Replacing >> data that is years old is much different. Replacing work you've been >> working on for months or days is much different. Losing less than a day >> of work...hell, a power outage can do that. Many things can go wrong to >> do that. Keep a bloody backup of data and information that's important >> so you don't lose everything. >> >> How do you fail to see that as relevant? > > I don't see how this is relevant because it has nothing to do with X, > C-A-B, etc. You were talking about data loss at that point, due to "accidentally hitting control-alt-backspace". From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:48:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:48:37 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> > If this happened to me, then I would get worked up about *these bugs*, > not about a horrible kludge being removed *by default*. WTF are you > doing that hoses X once a week? > Unstable proprietary drivers is a known cause, and so are Google Earth, Compiz, and Stellarium. >> Yes, it is indicative of bugs in the software that must be fixed, but >> why take away the workaround? > > It was not taken away. It takes a simple command to enable it when you > need it (and I read somewhere that there will be a menu option, too). > Users that don't know about the dontzap command (or future menu option) > are the same users who don't know about Ctrl+Alt+Bsp in the first place, > so where's the hurt? > Because those users call _me_ on the phone when this happens. Or they post here. > BTW, I fully agree that Ubuntu should have a way to restart X on demand, > even when X is hosed. But this should not be a key combo that can kill > the whole session by accident of a simple finger slip without asking > questions. It's one thing Windows got right. There, Ctl+Alt+Del is > intercepted by *the kernel*. This takes care of preventing false login > prompts as well as giving the user an option to back out. > I agree to this with a point. Windows did good with C-A-D. But I disagree that a finger slip will get you C-A-anything. What is the poor noob to do when he accidentally hits C-A-F1? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 19:49:55 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:49:55 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On 03/17/2009 01:17 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:32 -0300 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace >> >> is being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is >> >> not configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have >> >> googled and found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not >> >> in Debian based systems. >> > >> > Restarting gdm will do the trick, but I am not sure it is the >> > preferred method. >> > >> > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart >> >> I'm sure it is (as long as you are using gdm). It may alteratively >> be kdm or xdm. >> >> But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. > > From the release notes: > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by > users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this > function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap > --disable. > > and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made > and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew > about it. > > Interestingly enough, it seems all default references to 'Keyboard Shortcuts' have gone missing in Intrepid. All that System|Preferences|Keyboard Shortcuts shows (on mine anyway) is "", wereas in Hardy I have Ctrl-Alt-Delete as log out, etc (no Ctrl-Alt-Backspace though). From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:50:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:50:29 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903181250u17a45352h3c9c349cb42867ed@mail.gmail.com> > The complaints come from those who whine because they have to run a > command (or, in the future, check a box) to enable the old behavior. > No, the complaints come from people who have to support machines that were not configured to enable this option. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:50:54 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:50:54 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14F2F.9080302@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> <49C14F2F.9080302@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237405854.13857.59.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:44 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Why are you reaching for control-alt-del? In windows, you can > what...change your password, run task manager (right click task bar for > that),...log off...? And lock the screen. > Good thing X is totally integrated with the Linux kernel the way Windows > is. As I recall the more integrated Microsoft made it, the more flak > they got for making it easier for drivers to ruin their security model. Yeah, except that AFAICT this has nothing whatsoever to do with catching a key combo in the kernel and advising X to do something sensible (as long as it still can). Though IANAKD (kernel dev) > Never had to. It's always worked that way. So. Now that's a really weak argument. > If this is in a future > release, it's because someone wants to change something that works fine > the way it is, and now wants to add a new "feature" that will make it > just a little more of a bitch when moving between distros. Or has someone else but only experts in mind ... > Blame yourself if you do that. > If the C-A-B is killing users, set an option to disable it, not vice-versa. It's fine not to have any clue about usability design, but it's not fine to use that as a basis to make usability decisions. From thecatchallemail at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:51:49 2009 From: thecatchallemail at gmail.com (Joseph Linkous) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:51:49 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bart Silverstrim Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:31 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Restarting Xserver from cli Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:22 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does > > Huh? The full context was: Honestly...how does it save lives preventing X restarting? And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does at a critical moment of someone's life connected to that computer? CAB---control alt backspace... What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know about C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is relying on it? The real huh was the statement about saving someone's life by getting rid of control-alt-backspace. -=-=-=-=-=-= What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know about C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is relying on it? The real huh was the statement about saving someone's life by getting rid of control-alt-backspace. You contradict yourself. First, you imply that someone not familiar with Linux shouldn't be trusted to work with it, then you say that people's lives would be saved by removing CAB, which wouldn't even be an issue if the person working with the system was familiar with Linux. This is my first message on this mailing list, and I'm not very familiar with Linux, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but it seems like having the option to disable the key sequence for restarting X is nice to have. In addition, I think it should be disabled by default, because those who don't know about CAB will be protected, and those who do know about it can simply enable it to use it. What's the argument here? I'm not quite sure. It seems more like people simply resisting a change instead of people resisting for a logical reason. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 19:53:53 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:53:53 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:50 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > What kind of idiot uses Linux to do that in the first place, given > that I don't think it is certified for use on lifesaving equipment > whatsoever? Having possibly deadly impact when malfunctioning does not necessarily have anything to do with being used on lifesaving equipment. It's not a desktop distro, but may serve as an example for the principle: TomTom car navigation GPS devices use the linux kernel. If it malfunctions, the effect can very easily be a deadly accident. That said, I think the "saving lives" was not meant all that seriously in the first place, but as a metaphor. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:55:20 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:55:20 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> Message-ID: <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> > In addition, I think it should be disabled by default, because those > who don't know about CAB will be protected, and those who do know about it > can simply enable it to use it. > Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. Those who do need it, only know that they need it when they are in a situation in which it cannot be enabled. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:09:09 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:09:09 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237405854.13857.59.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <20090318080942.645fa4df@WizardsTower> <1237402622.13857.32.camel@chronic> <49C14628.1060601@chrononomicon.com> <1237403748.13857.49.camel@chronic> <49C14F2F.9080302@chrononomicon.com> <1237405854.13857.59.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C154E5.1010307@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:44 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> Why are you reaching for control-alt-del? In windows, you can >> what...change your password, run task manager (right click task bar for >> that),...log off...? > > And lock the screen. OOOHH, see, I got into the habit of clicking an icon on my panel at the top of the screen to do that...just like you're talking about another platform's usability habit to hit that? And it's too much of a chore to unlearn, so what's the next step? Hack your system to emulate Windows more because users have slippy fingers? Again...how often is this even HAPPENING?! >> Good thing X is totally integrated with the Linux kernel the way Windows >> is. As I recall the more integrated Microsoft made it, the more flak >> they got for making it easier for drivers to ruin their security model. > > Yeah, except that AFAICT this has nothing whatsoever to do with catching > a key combo in the kernel and advising X to do something sensible (as > long as it still can). Though IANAKD (kernel dev) Because X isn't part of the kernel, maybe? >> Never had to. It's always worked that way. > > So. Now that's a really weak argument. Probably...maybe...if I knew what you snipped there. Don't feel like checking at the moment. >> If this is in a future >> release, it's because someone wants to change something that works fine >> the way it is, and now wants to add a new "feature" that will make it >> just a little more of a bitch when moving between distros. > > Or has someone else but only experts in mind ... If there's one thing evident in Linux over the years, it's that the developers didn't have someone in mind when making their design choices except themselves. >> Blame yourself if you do that. > >> If the C-A-B is killing users, set an option to disable it, not vice-versa. > > It's fine not to have any clue about usability design, but it's not fine > to use that as a basis to make usability decisions. Good leap to assume I know nothing of usability design. You're basing this entirely on my argument that control-alt-backspace isn't as big a problem as the bandwidth we're wasting discussing it, or are you just trying to bait me some more? How about just adding a package in synaptic that disables all keyboard shortcuts unless implicitly enabled? I mean, I've lost data a number of times for sticking things with cut or copy then closing the originating app and opening something else and...poof...not there. Had it happen today as a matter of fact. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:06:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:06:25 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> > It's not a desktop distro, but may serve as an example for the > principle: TomTom car navigation GPS devices use the linux kernel. If it > malfunctions, the effect can very easily be a deadly accident. > If the user is depending on his GPS not to get him into a deadly accident, then I hope that it will be a telephone pole delivering his Darwin award and not oncoming traffic. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:11:01 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:11:01 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> Message-ID: <49C15555.4010801@chrononomicon.com> Joseph Linkous wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bart Silverstrim > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:31 PM > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Restarting Xserver from cli > > Mario Vukelic wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 08:22 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> And what idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does >> Huh? > > The full context was: > Honestly...how does it save lives preventing X restarting? And what > idiot would be trusted using Linux, not knowing what CAB does at a > critical moment of someone's life connected to that computer? > > CAB---control alt backspace... > > What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know about > C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is relying on it? > > The real huh was the statement about saving someone's life by getting > rid of control-alt-backspace. > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > What kind of idiot would be trusted using linux if they don't know about > C-A-B while operating said equipment on someone who's life is relying on it? > > The real huh was the statement about saving someone's life by getting rid of > control-alt-backspace. > > > You contradict yourself. First, you imply that someone not familiar with > Linux shouldn't be trusted to work with it, then you say that people's lives > would be saved by removing CAB, which wouldn't even be an issue if the > person working with the system was familiar with Linux. I DIDN'T SAY "then you say that people's lives would be saved by removing CAB, which wouldn't even be an issue if the person working with the system was familiar with Linux." THAT WAS FROM A PREVIOUS MESSAGE BEING REPLIED TO BEING REPLIED TO that started the whole "saving a life" bit. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:07:38 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:07:38 -0600 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49C1548A.5000409@gmail.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/17/2009 01:17 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:32 -0300 >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> >>> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> >>>> > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace though). > I am wondering why this longest running Re: will last? It has been so ground down and beat-up I am not sure of anything. I have never used Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and removing it will never be noticed :-) Karl > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:13:30 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:13:30 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C155EA.1000506@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:50 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> What kind of idiot uses Linux to do that in the first place, given >> that I don't think it is certified for use on lifesaving equipment >> whatsoever? > > Having possibly deadly impact when malfunctioning does not necessarily > have anything to do with being used on lifesaving equipment. > > It's not a desktop distro, but may serve as an example for the > principle: TomTom car navigation GPS devices use the linux kernel. If it > malfunctions, the effect can very easily be a deadly accident. Yeah, some idiot was deemed competent to drive a ton-size chunk of metal on the roads at high velocities with other people but doesn't know to look around before turning into oncoming traffic. I don't see that as a reason to disable control-alt-backspace as much as it is a reason to disable their car. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:10:34 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:10:34 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your > keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:12:00 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:12:00 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:06 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > If the user is depending on his GPS not to get him into a deadly > accident, then I hope that it will be a telephone pole delivering his > Darwin award and not oncoming traffic. This has nothing to do with the point of the example, so I won't comment. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:12:35 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:12:35 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C150C1.5010605@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> <1237405537.13857.54.camel@chronic> <49C150C1.5010605@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237407155.13857.68.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:51 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > You were talking about data loss at that point, due to "accidentally > hitting control-alt-backspace". Data loss in unsaved files, as I already said a few posts ago. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:17:31 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:17:31 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C156DB.3000403@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your >> keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. > > As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a > common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in > corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) We're lucky if we can get users to lock their systems when they walk away... From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:18:29 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:18:29 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C15715.3010505@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:06 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If the user is depending on his GPS not to get him into a deadly >> accident, then I hope that it will be a telephone pole delivering his >> Darwin award and not oncoming traffic. > > This has nothing to do with the point of the example, so I won't > comment. Actually it sorta did, since the "Saving a life" thing was brought up, and I asked how that would even be an example, and someone replied with the GPS causing an accident thing...but only as a tangent... From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 18 20:22:50 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:22:50 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407155.13857.68.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <1237402294.13857.27.camel@chronic> <49C14554.9010007@chrononomicon.com> <1237403446.13857.44.camel@chronic> <49C14D1C.6080506@chrononomicon.com> <1237405537.13857.54.camel@chronic> <49C150C1.5010605@chrononomicon.com> <1237407155.13857.68.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C1581A.5080009@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:51 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> You were talking about data loss at that point, due to "accidentally >> hitting control-alt-backspace". > > Data loss in unsaved files, as I already said a few posts ago. Yes. Which I said was not a tragedy worth scrapping a keyboard shortcut for just because someone lost an hour of work, compared to something worth crying about like losing months of work or very old messages/emails due to data loss from filesystem corruption after kicking your power cable out or having something else cause the data to go to the bit bucket. So yes, it tied perfectly to what you were bringing up, since you (or was it someone else??) were arguing that noobs were losing their data from hitting C-A-B and BLINK!, so the old way of recovering from X screwing up that for so long hadn't hurt anything to a significant degree must be changed to save people from klutz fingers and asinine pranksters on IRC now that they lost their email they were composing to grandma. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:21:06 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:21:06 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> > As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a > common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in > corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) > That is too many contingencies for me to believe that it is a common scenario. You are describing a situation in which the user decides to press Ctrl-Alt-Delete, which is a key combination for an unrelated operating system, and actually misses one of the three keys. He then lands on one specific key nearby. Is there a documented case of this happening? Has any user ever complained that this situation has caused him dataloss? Seriously? Go dig up a mailing list archive, for any distro, that shows this phenomenon happening. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:25:08 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:25:08 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237407908.13857.78.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:48 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Unstable proprietary drivers is a known cause, and so are Google > Earth, Compiz, and Stellarium. What can I say. I have been cursed with ATi cards on the company laptop for years, and I run Google Earth occasionally. Never caused my X to freeze. I'm not saying it does not happen, but I'm just as unsure aobut how often it does in reality as those of you are who demand proof that newbies get caught out by C-A-B. As far as Compiz goes, I have run that on my ATi cards, too, without locking X. Maybe I am lucky. However, if Compiz locks X once a week for a significant number of users, then it really has no business being enabled by default in Ubuntu. > Because those users call _me_ on the phone when this happens. Or they post here. So, they enable it next time. What's the problem, their X is locked at that point, anyway, and these users are not likely to run complex CLI jobs that take days to complete, do they. The same argument has been used by Bart against disabling C-A-B, by the way: "so what if someone hits it by default, they just lost a few hours of work at the worst". I happen to think that having to reboot when X is locked anyway is worse than losing unsaved user data due to a finger slip. > I agree to this with a point. Windows did good with C-A-D. But I > disagree that a finger slip will get you C-A-anything. Again, C-A-B is like 0.5 cm away from C-A-D, less on a netbook. > What is the > poor noob to do when he accidentally hits C-A-F1? 1. at this point nothing is lost yet. 2. it's not a good argument to point out other flaws in order to make a particular flaw look less bad. An argument could be made that Canonical's desktop target users are not well-served by this either, and it should be an option. So take care of what you saying here :p From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 20:41:31 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:41:31 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C1548A.5000409@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <49C1548A.5000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090318154131.4a3ae949@WizardsTower> "Karl F. Larsen" said: > I am wondering why this longest running Re: will last? It has > been so ground down and beat-up I am not sure of anything. I have > never used Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and removing it will never be > noticed :-) > > Karl Well, if /you/ don't use it then it should certainly go and the sooner the better. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:50:23 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:50:23 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407908.13857.78.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> <1237407908.13857.78.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903181350n4fd4857bmc9624b6e94d8fa36@mail.gmail.com> > What can I say. I have been cursed with ATi cards on the company laptop > for years, and I run Google Earth occasionally. Never caused my X to > freeze. I'm not saying it does not happen, but I'm just as unsure aobut > how often it does in reality as those of you are who demand proof that > newbies get caught out by C-A-B. > My current laptop has an ATI card and Google Earth freezes it up. It's unpredictable enough that I open GE every now and then, but predictable enough that I close everything else first. > As far as Compiz goes, I have run that on my ATi cards, too, without > locking X. Maybe I am lucky. However, if Compiz locks X once a week for > a significant number of users, then it really has no business being > enabled by default in Ubuntu. > Compiz doesn't actually lock up X for me, but it crashes in ways that I cannot start Kwin or restart Compiz. I just CAB it and kdm logs me back in automatically. >> Because those users call _me_ on the phone when this happens. Or they post here. > > So, they enable it next time. What's the problem, their X is locked at > that point, anyway, and these users are not likely to run complex CLI > jobs that take days to complete, do they. > CAB is not a complex cli job that will take days to complete. > The same argument has been used by Bart against disabling C-A-B, by the > way: "so what if someone hits it by default, they just lost a few hours > of work at the worst". > > I happen to think that having to reboot when X is locked anyway is worse > than losing unsaved user data due to a finger slip. > I agree. >> I agree to this with a point. Windows did good with C-A-D. But I >> disagree that a finger slip will get you C-A-anything. > > Again, C-A-B is like 0.5 cm away from C-A-D, less on a netbook. > So what? C-A-D is not a valid keypress on Linux. Had C-A-B been a valid keypress on Windows I would agree with you, but arguing that Windows has a valid keypress that is _near_ C-A-B is ridiculous. >> What is the >> poor noob to do when he accidentally hits C-A-F1? > > 1. at this point nothing is lost yet. > Everything is lost. The noob cannot get back to his comfy GUI and save his work. > 2. it's not a good argument to point out other flaws in order to make a > particular flaw look less bad. An argument could be made that > Canonical's desktop target users are not well-served by this either, and > it should be an option. So take care of what you saying here :p > I see your point. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:33:07 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:33:07 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237408387.13857.85.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:21 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > You are describing a situation in which the user decides to > press Ctrl-Alt-Delete, which is a key combination for an unrelated > operating system, and actually misses one of the three keys. He then > lands on one specific key nearby. Ignoring for now the fact that practically 100% of Ubutu newbies will come from Windows, I forgot to mention (and NoOp's post in another subthread reminded me of this): Did you ever try C-A-D in Ubuntu? Go ahead. It brings up the logout dialog. So, we have the perfectly benign "official" shortcut C-A-D which gives you a dialog and options, and a tiny distance away the big honking kill switch C-A-B. Good usability design? I don't think so. From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:50:56 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:50:56 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090318154131.4a3ae949@WizardsTower> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <49C1548A.5000409@gmail.com> <20090318154131.4a3ae949@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <880dece00903181350m34a3b4e2kb7b20b8c8072d78a@mail.gmail.com> > "Karl F. Larsen"  said: >>     I am wondering why this longest running Re: will last? It has >> been so ground down and beat-up I am not sure of anything. I have >> never used Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and removing it will never be >> noticed :-) >> >> Karl > > Well, if /you/ don't use it then it should certainly go and the sooner > the better. > I agree. I only wish that Karl had spoken up sooner. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:28:08 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:28:08 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C15715.3010505@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> <49C15715.3010505@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237408088.13857.80.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:18 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > and someone replied with > the GPS causing an accident thing...but only as a tangent... Yeah, but I wrote that it shall just serve to illustrate the principle that "can cause death" does not imply "must have been used on a lifesaving device". From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:27:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:27:03 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1237408023.13857.79.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:49 -0700, NoOp wrote: > Interestingly enough, it seems all default references to 'Keyboard > Shortcuts' have gone missing in Intrepid. All that > System|Preferences|Keyboard Shortcuts shows (on mine anyway) is > "", wereas in Hardy I have Ctrl-Alt-Delete as log out, > etc (no Ctrl-Alt-Backspace though). Can't remember Intrepid, but on this machine (fresh install with Intrepid, upgraded to Jaunty at alpha 5) I still have C-A-D listed as a logout shortcut. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 20:29:35 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:29:35 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C155EA.1000506@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <49C155EA.1000506@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1237408175.13857.82.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:13 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I don't see that as a > reason to disable control-alt-backspace as much as it is a reason to > disable their car. I won't reply to your other replies, lest this escalates into a flamewar. You know perfectly well what I wrote, so there's no real point in you posting this except anger (or something). I start to get angry too, so let's quit it, all points have been made. From andog at gmx.net Wed Mar 18 20:56:33 2009 From: andog at gmx.net (Andreas Grassl) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:56:33 +0100 Subject: kde/qt3-problem on ubuntu 8.10 64-bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andreas Grassl schrieb: > Hi, > > I'm having a problem on my machine with some applications: k3b, kile, opera, > qtconfig-qt3,... They start up and freeze as soon, as I'm performing the first > actions (e.g. on opening a file the dialog comes up, but I'm not able to select > anything before freezing). > > I find interesting, that other users on my system don't have this problem. > > So far I tried to delete ~/.qt/ and ~/.kde/. > > Furthermore I tried to completely remove libqt3-mt and all depending > applications (k3b,...) and reinstall. > > I don't want to delete all config-directories from my home-directory, so has > anybody an idea, what I could try next? > > Could it have to do something with the uninstallation of scim? > Problem solved, scim-qtimm was still installed -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon X against HTML email / \ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I was getting at is that once X is hosed, they can simply reboot (and enable the C-A-B kill switch for next time, if they care enough), because they are unlikely to have long-running CLI jobs that would be lost by rebooting. This was in reply to your argument that it's supposed to be so terrible if C-A-B is not enabled they first time they need it. > So what? C-A-D is not a valid keypress on Linux. See my other post. It is a valid key combo in Ubuntu (which I had forgotten in my argument up to this point) From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Wed Mar 18 21:07:16 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:07:16 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Wednesday 18 March 2009 20:49, NoOp wrote: > On 03/17/2009 01:17 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:32 -0300 > > > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > >> > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:23 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> >> How does one restart the Xserver from the cli? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace > >> >> is being disabled in Jaunty and if I have to fix a machine that is > >> >> not configured to enable it, I need to know what to do. I have > >> >> googled and found how to do this in Redhat-based systems, but not > >> >> in Debian based systems. > >> > > >> > Restarting gdm will do the trick, but I am not sure it is the > >> > preferred method. > >> > > >> > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart > >> > >> I'm sure it is (as long as you are using gdm). It may alteratively > >> be kdm or xdm. > >> > >> But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. > > > > From the release notes: > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by > > users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this > > function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap > > --disable. > > > > and yes, we have lost the discussion about it. The decision was made > > and finished before anyone not at UDS and in the correct group knew > > about it. > > Interestingly enough, it seems all default references to 'Keyboard > Shortcuts' have gone missing in Intrepid. All that > System|Preferences|Keyboard Shortcuts shows (on mine anyway) is " Action>", wereas in Hardy I have Ctrl-Alt-Delete as log out, etc (no > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace though). I've just tried Ctrl Alt Esc to get the mouse pointer of death on Intrepid, and that shortcut is gone as well. I'm using Linux because (using many different distro's) I have complete control over the machine, yet on Ubuntu that complete control is being taken away, by someone deciding that this and that can be removed, to in someway making it more idiot proofed. It sort of makes you wonder, when someone will decide to remove the CLI, then idiots will no longer be able to mess with the filesystem. 2¢ worth of perhaps nothing. Nigel. From skerit at kipdola.com Wed Mar 18 19:58:26 2009 From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:58:26 +0100 Subject: Uploading too fast with f-spot (or "how do you throttle f-spot's upload speed?) Message-ID: <49C15262.4090703@kipdola.com> Hi everyone, It's common knowledge that utilising your upload speed affects the download speed, but this goes a bit too far: When I upload something with f-spot I'm practically unable to download anything else, I can't even browse the web normally. Is f-spot somehow managing the traffic wrong? Because it's the only application I'm having this problem with, and it's like that on every website I upload files too (facebook, flickr, my own gallery) Is there maybe a way to throttle the upload speed of applications individually? -- /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Wed Mar 18 21:15:56 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbnogV2FsZG3DvGxsZXI=?=) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:15:56 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181350n4fd4857bmc9624b6e94d8fa36@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> <1237407908.13857.78.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181350n4fd4857bmc9624b6e94d8fa36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C1648C.8010502@gmx.at> Every argument is valid, the newbie protection as well using C-A-B can be quite useful. The developers decided the default setting, instead of arguing on the mailing list it would be better to discuss an easy way on how to activate "advanced" linux features. It won't be possible to design a system which accommodates all needs. If we stick to the key combination example: As far as I am informed SYS-Rq keeys have been disabled since 8.10 as well. Good for multi user systems bad for a single user. There should be an easy option to enable or disable critical key combinations. If everything is enabled it is difficult to configure a multiuser system (At home several old laptops log into one powerful machine via XDMCP). Franz From thecatchallemail at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 21:33:11 2009 From: thecatchallemail at gmail.com (Joseph Linkous) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:33:11 -0400 Subject: Uploading too fast with f-spot (or "how do you throttle f-spot's upload speed?) In-Reply-To: <49C15262.4090703@kipdola.com> References: <49C15262.4090703@kipdola.com> Message-ID: <001201c9a811$25afd300$710f7900$@com> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Jelle De Loecker Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:58 PM To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Uploading too fast with f-spot (or "how do you throttle f-spot's upload speed?) Hi everyone, It's common knowledge that utilising your upload speed affects the download speed, but this goes a bit too far: When I upload something with f-spot I'm practically unable to download anything else, I can't even browse the web normally. Is f-spot somehow managing the traffic wrong? Because it's the only application I'm having this problem with, and it's like that on every website I upload files too (facebook, flickr, my own gallery) Is there maybe a way to throttle the upload speed of applications individually? After about 80% of your current max upload is taken, your download becomes severely affected. BitTorrent makes this problem very apparent, which is why they added the ability to limit bandwidth from within the program. Obviously though, f-spot doesn't have that ability, or else you wouldn't be asking this question. There might be something available that limits the computer's bandwidth from within Linux, but I've found the best solution is to set the Quality of Service in your router to cap the maximum upload/download speeds for the entire network (80% upload, 90% download, for instance). That ensures that the thresholds on either the upload and download are never reached, so the other doesn't get throttled. That assumes you've got a router which supports QoS, or a router that's capable of being flashed with DD-WRT. If not, then there's probably a local fix for your computer. 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Because it's the only > application I'm having this problem with, and it's like that on every > website I upload files too (facebook, flickr, my own gallery) > > Is there maybe a way to throttle the upload speed of applications > individually? Have a look at wondershaper - it's a command line program that does wonders for me when uploading huge files... Chris From cr33dog at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 21:38:36 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:38:36 -0500 Subject: Uploading too fast with f-spot (or "how do you throttle f-spot's upload speed?) In-Reply-To: References: <49C15262.4090703@kipdola.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: > 2009/3/18 Jelle De Loecker : >> Hi everyone, >> >> It's common knowledge that utilising your upload speed affects the download >> speed, but this goes a bit too far: >> When I upload something with f-spot I'm practically unable to download >> anything else, I can't even browse the web normally. >> >> Is f-spot somehow managing the traffic wrong? Because it's the only >> application I'm having this problem with, and it's like that on every >> website I upload files too (facebook, flickr, my own gallery) >> >> Is there maybe a way to throttle the upload speed of applications >> individually? > > Have a look at wondershaper - it's a command line program that does > wonders for me when uploading huge files... OK - I worded that badly ;) Wondershaper lets me to upload huge files without slowing down my browsing/download speed too much. Chris From smoot at tic.com Wed Mar 18 21:41:32 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:41:32 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C1648C.8010502@gmx.at> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <880dece00903180637r7417a65eu486bb86feb7a2cb@mail.gmail.com> <1237402989.13857.38.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181248t65e0b247i22a8891654e3fc8f@mail.gmail.com> <1237407908.13857.78.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181350n4fd4857bmc9624b6e94d8fa36@mail.gmail.com> <49C1648C.8010502@gmx.at> Message-ID: <1237412492.5208.1060.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:15 +0100, Franz Waldmüller wrote: > Every argument is valid, the newbie protection as well using C-A-B can > be quite useful. > The developers decided the default setting, instead of arguing on the > mailing list it would be better to discuss an easy way on how to > activate "advanced" linux features. It won't be possible to design a > system which accommodates all needs. > If we stick to the key combination example: > As far as I am informed SYS-Rq keeys have been disabled since 8.10 as > well. Good for multi user systems bad for a single user. Speaking of magic key combinations. I had a colleague who ran an ISP with FreeBSD boxes and Windows boxes many years ago. They had consoles in the data room and one night the night operator saw one of the boxes had "blue screened". So the operator hit C-A-D and rebooted the box. Little did he know it was a FreeBSD system running a screensaver which cycles between the abort screens of various operating systems including Windows. They stopped running that screensaver the next day. Personally, I like the magic key combinations. But I do see the utility of turning them off by default. I do not have a problem with this as long as the feature can be enabled. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From res at ausics.net Wed Mar 18 21:51:32 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:51:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: setting static ip address In-Reply-To: <49C11DF4.5090407@chrononomicon.com> References: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> <49C11BDE.5010607@gmail.com> <49C11DF4.5090407@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Network manager, in my experiences on recent Ubuntu releases. has sucked. Wow, i'm not arguing here :) > My best experiences have been from advice here to install wicd. Google Has wicd introduced support for VPN's yet? Hadn't last time I checked, and try teaching M$ based techno-weenies how to run pon vpn_name :) -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 21:55:17 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:55:17 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:07 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > I'm using Linux because (using many different distro's) I have > complete control over the machine, yet on Ubuntu that complete control > is being taken away As has been pointed out repeatedly, it can be enabled with 1 or 2 commands. It was never case that anything and everything that is possible was also enabled. It's always been about trade-offs. Also, may I point out gently that Ubuntu never made it a secret that their system should be usable by what you so nicely call "idiots" (which includes, for example, my wife. thanks). Cf. bug #1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 There are other linux distros to choose from, which is kind of the point. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Wed Mar 18 21:56:45 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:56:45 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1237413405.4758.7.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:10 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: > As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del Most laptop keyboards, I should say. I had briefly forgotten that there are still a few others ;) From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:00:52 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:00:52 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:07 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: >> I'm using Linux because (using many different distro's) I have >> complete control over the machine, yet on Ubuntu that complete control >> is being taken away > > As has been pointed out repeatedly, it can be enabled with 1 or 2 > commands. It was never case that anything and everything that is > possible was also enabled. It's always been about trade-offs. > > Also, may I point out gently that Ubuntu never made it a secret that > their system should be usable by what you so nicely call "idiots" (which > includes, for example, my wife. thanks). Cf. bug #1, > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 > > There are other linux distros to choose from, which is kind of the > point. If C.A.D. can have a pop up then why can't C.A.B????? This would seem to end all the discussion. Also if X is not working then you don't see the pop up but the code should be able to tell if X is dead or not. Perhaps hitting it 2 times would force it when all is dead? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Mar 18 22:04:26 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:04:26 -0600 Subject: setting static ip address In-Reply-To: <49C11DF4.5090407@chrononomicon.com> References: <1237391551.6608.1.camel@draikes-lap> <49C11BDE.5010607@gmail.com> <49C11DF4.5090407@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090318160426.77f56b47@teamcharliesangels.com> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:14:44 -0400 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Unreal Root wrote: > > Donald Raikes wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> When I installed my intrepid system, it didn't give me the > >> opportunity to configure the ethernet card to set a static ip > >> address. > >> > >> How do I configure the ip address to switch from dhcp to static? > >> > >> > > Open a terminal and type the following: > > > > sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces > > > > You will see lines similar to this: > > > > auto eth0 > > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > > > Change that to the following filling in the correct information for > > your network: > > > > auto eth0 > > iface eth0 inet static > > address 192.168.1.50 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > network 192.168.1.0 > > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > > gateway 192.168.1.1 > > > > Hope this helps. > > Network manager, in my experiences on recent Ubuntu releases. has > sucked. > > Manual editing of that file can interfere with tools later on, > though... > > My best experiences have been from advice here to install wicd. > Google "wicd install ubuntu" and you should find the homepage for the > project that includes directions on adding it to your repo list for > your Ubuntu release, then install that and you can set it for a > static IP and not have it magically disappear or lose the connection > altogether the way network manager has done to me before. > Nice change coming. Wicd is included in universe for jaunty! -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:12:05 2009 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:12:05 +0100 Subject: conduit to sync mobile phone through bluetooth Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone succeed using conduit to sync the contacts of a mobile phone using conduit? Any other GUI-like ways to get it? Any help appreciated! -- Francisco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 18 22:42:38 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:42:38 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <200903182342.38976.kassube@gmx.net> Knapp wrote: > If C.A.D. can have a pop up then why can't C.A.B????? C-A-D is supposed to be used while X is running normally while C-A-B is for emergency exit if X is broken. > This would seem > to end all the discussion. No, it wouldn't :) > Also if X is not working then you don't > see the pop up but the code should be able to tell if X is dead or > not. I think the code can't reliably tell if the display is just unreadable because the programming registers of the video hardware were set to wrong values. If X is dead enough for the code to reliably find out that there is a problem, C-A-B probably doesn't work either. > Perhaps hitting it 2 times would force it when all is dead? IIRC, that has been suggested on the u-d-d list already. Let's wait and see if it will be implemented. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 18 22:45:40 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:45:40 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200903182345.40410.kassube@gmx.net> Nigel Henry wrote: > I've just tried Ctrl Alt Esc to get the mouse pointer of death on > Intrepid, and that shortcut is gone as well. That shortcut works with Jaunty. I only tried it with KDE, though. Nils From crp at cmc.net Wed Mar 18 23:15:40 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:15:40 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: Is there a partiton size limit?) In-Reply-To: References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C1809C.7040409@cmc.net> Thorny wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:02:35 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> Thorny wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:37:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> [...] >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Where Thunderbird starts a new message in relation to the quoted >>>> material in a reply is easy to change. Go to Edit, Account Setting, >>>> then in that dailog, select the "Composition and Addressing" line in >>>> the tree on the left side under the account you wish to change the >>>> behavior for. [... (more about configuring TBird)] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Don't know why you threaded this to me Ray, perhaps a mistake. I mostly >>> use KMail but do know how to configure TBird. Actually, I read this list >>> with Pan. >>> >>> Hope the poster you intended to inform will notice it here. >>> >>> >> I wasn't actually responding to you, I was responding to the quoted person >> in your last post that stated they were using Thunderbird, while you were >> telling them that even if they used Thunderbird it was still protocol to >> bottom post here. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> > > My point was that you threaded your reply to my post rather than the > poster you wanted to inform, but you wrote to him and your post appeared > to be to me due to that sub-threading. Threading exists for a reason, > whether it is a good reason or not is often a matter of personal opinion. > > Actually, I didn't tell him what the protocol was here, I just tried to > answer his question about top posting. And, hopefully, not start that > whole argument again here. > > Regards > And my point is that I responded in natural thread order, instead of jumping back a message in the thread. Anyone following the thread will already know that the reply was to the person who asked the question, because they are presumably reading the thread in thread order. If I had removed his question from my reply, then I could see your protest as being valid but I did not. Threading should start at the original question, and then progress naturally down through all of the replies. That way anyone reading a thread can tell what is going on. I have my email client set to show only unread messages in a thread, so when I exit this group's folder, then come back to it, all previous posts are invisible, so I don't always have the option of easily jumping backwards in a thread, even if I felt it were necessary. If you insist on pressing this minor issue, then I can easily fix it, by establishing a filter to sort your posts to the trash, and you will never experience the "problem" again. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Wed Mar 18 23:25:38 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:25:38 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <200903182345.40410.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200903182345.40410.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903190025.38820.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Wednesday 18 March 2009 23:45, Nils Kassube wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > I've just tried Ctrl Alt Esc to get the mouse pointer of death on > > Intrepid, and that shortcut is gone as well. > > That shortcut works with Jaunty. I only tried it with KDE, though. > > > Nils Apologies on that one. I'd had Ubuntu Intrepid booted up when I tried it, but rebooting into Kubuntu on the same machine, I see that the ctrl+alt+esc keyboard shortcut still works on Intrepid. You do have to be a bit carefull when using the mouse pointer of death, and make sure that it actually is on the title bar of the app you want to kill. Once I killed the desktop accidentally, rather than the frozen app. Live and learn, eh! Nigel. From crp at cmc.net Wed Mar 18 23:25:37 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:25:37 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > David Curtis wrote: > > >> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >> > > Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when > X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of > control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try > SSH'ing into it and checking processes? Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it running properly again, and then log back into it. Later, Ray Parrish-- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Thu Mar 19 00:06:42 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:06:42 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> Ray Parrish wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> David Curtis wrote: >> >> >>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>> >> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? > Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a > noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo > reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do > once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that > it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it > running properly again, and then log back into it. > > Later, Ray Parrish-- > > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > Ray, After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. Joep From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 00:09:40 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:09:40 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! Message-ID: Check it out! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs Amazing how much work that turned out to be :-( Anyway, feel free to add your favourite FAQs to it if you have any, and if you spot someone asking a FAQ on the list (like that ever happens :-) feel free to point them that way! Let's try and help people out without being snarky about it, and still save time and aggravation answering the same old questions over and over again. Brian PS I'd especially like to see a 'server vs desktop' FAQ up there, but wasn't comfortable writing it myself right now. Anyone??? PPS If you have any comments (other than 'you are nuts' - we've established that already) feel free to pass 'em along on or off list! From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 00:32:12 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:32:12 -0600 Subject: imap problems Message-ID: I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today someone from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know how they did it and I can't seem to fix it. Karl -- Karl Larsen, 3310 East Street, Las Cruces, NM 88005, 505-524-3303 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Blom wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >>> David Curtis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>>> >>>> >>> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >>> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >>> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >>> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? >>> >> Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a >> noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo >> reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do >> once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that >> it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it >> running properly again, and then log back into it. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish-- >> >> Human reviewed index of links about the computer >> http://www.rayslinks.com >> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic >> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ >> >> >> > Ray, > After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. > Joep > Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged into 1? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From calloquillick at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 00:40:10 2009 From: calloquillick at gmail.com (Ernst Doubt) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:40:10 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : >    I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today someone > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know how > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. > > Karl > /me waves hand I did it! (sorry, I just couldn't resist) From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 00:49:21 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:49:21 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ernst Doubt wrote: > 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : > > I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today > someone > > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know > how > > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. > > > > Karl > > > > /me waves hand > > I did it! > > (sorry, I just couldn't resist) Well you could but you didn't so we all get to see what an ass YOU are. Karl > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Karl Larsen, 3310 East Street, Las Cruces, NM 88005, 505-524-3303 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:27:07 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:27:07 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> Josh Holland wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:49:32PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. > How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies > exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in > ubuntu-devel-discuss. No, I hadn't heard - and I follow _this_ list pretty religiously, so I'd have to imagine there's a conspiracy to prevent actual users ever finding out :-) Surely it could be a configurable option (I can't say I'll really care - I use it maybe once a month, and can manage without it, but it seems like a really odd thing to do). And really what's the problem? So it restarts the X server. You only do that _once_ accidentally. It has only recently stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:58:03 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:58:03 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <3115385.kGL7hOz8P5@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: >> In reality, Ctrl+Alt+Bspc always was a usability nightmare. If Windows >> had something like this it would be roasted over an open fire, and >> rightly so. > > That's BS. Windows was full of usability nightmares. Never hurt sales > enough to matter. In fact (now, just settle down youngsters, the old guy's going to tell a story...) Windows had _exactly_ this usability nightmare. In pre-Windows 95 days, ctrl-alt-delete rebooted the system. I'm old enough to not remember whether Win95 actually fixed that. But it had become such a joke that Windows NT introduced the concept of Ctrl-Alt-Delete to login - and called it a feature! Actually, they had a point, because it ensured that you weren't actually trying to login to some trojan just waiting to email your id/password somewhere, but it took a pretty bright MS engineer to turn that from a minus to a plus. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:46:28 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:46:28 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <20090318105644.431732b9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903180843t27d40deag687717e241268f9e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903181128w4db7e4e9uc7cfb4afacbaf4af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1271748.FuU5bYMpeW@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> But your's is always interesting: :-) >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >> > > Gmail base64 encodes UTF-8 mail that spans more than one ISO charset. > I have yet to hear about an email client that cannot handle it, > though. That was about what I figured - and if someone's email client can't handle it, that's just too bad because we have to expect that there are going to be a lot of international posters here (though I'm not sure quite how many will be using more than one charset). -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 01:18:55 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:18:55 -0700 Subject: [OT - CAB] Re: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 01:10 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your >> keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. > > As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a > common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in > corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) > > Sigh... If you boys are going to continue to argue about this, then you might want to: 1) take it to Sounder, or 2) at least specify that it is Ctrl-Alt-Delete and/or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace that you are arguing about. Ctrl-Alt-D on my system does some interesting things with my Hardy desktop windows (Hide all windows and focus desktop). A CAB in Windows is a compressed "Cabinet" file used for storing compressed installation files (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_(file_format)). Peace. From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:52:12 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:52:12 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <8675140.JDgRunCfvk@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >> David Curtis said: >>> Oh fer crying out loud, as it says above, 'dontzap --disable' or edit >>> your xorg.conf. >> >> I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone should want to jump >> through any more /additional/ hoops just to get a properly working >> Linux. Is that so wrong? should 'Just Work.' >> Do we next disable ? > > Snip the cables leading off the power switch on the front and set the > BIOS to power up when the power is plugged in :-) Hey, I ran a Windows system like that for years... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:49:30 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:49:30 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> Message-ID: <2356587.SZCx0u3bze@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> David Curtis wrote: >> >> >>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>> >> >> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? > Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a > noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo > reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do > once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that > it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it > running properly again, and then log back into it. Well, if you were just trying to accomplish ctrl-alt-backspace, you'd do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" (or kdm or xdm). But the reason it has so many people upset is that you mostly use ctrl-alt-bs when you can't get enough response from the system to login to a console. There was a time, around the early KDE 2.0 days that I would have really missed it. It's a long time since my desktop was ever that unresponsive. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:43:47 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:43:47 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <20090318105644.431732b9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <3537233.uVPPXjU4uJ@cedar.serverforest.com> David Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:18:05 -0400 > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> David Curtis wrote: >> >> > To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >> >> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? I'm not trying to argue that >> things stay the way they are because of mere tradition, but only that it >> was a way to recover from an error, and the odds of "accidentally" >> hitting it are slim. In theory someone only needs to be bitten once by >> some ass on an IRC channel to know not to do that again (and get a >> lesson on trusting strange people on faceless networks, probably). > > Sure, I agree. So now the 'slim chance' is protected against, and you and > other knowledgeable people upon upgrade or install of Jaunty will: 'sudo > apt-get install dontzap' 'dontzap --disable' and all will be well and good > in the world again. Good enough for me. My only question was whether you could still have it - I don't much care about it one way or the other, and only want to be sure that those who _do_ want to have it, can. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:38:11 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:38:11 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1377163.vEIQi7qEfz@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:06 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If the user is depending on his GPS not to get him into a deadly >> accident, then I hope that it will be a telephone pole delivering his >> Darwin award and not oncoming traffic. > > This has nothing to do with the point of the example, so I won't > comment. Of course it does. The idea that a GPS should _ever_ be considered so vital is laughable. They're incredibly useful for getting you out of a tight jam when you make a mistake, but if you're relying on it for primary navigation, you'll be in more trouble than it ever gets you out of. I write mapping applications for a living, and we produce incredibly accurate maps - but they all say "Not for navigation" when we publish them. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 01:36:32 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:36:32 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237408023.13857.79.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <1237408023.13857.79.camel@chronic> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 01:27 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:49 -0700, NoOp wrote: >> Interestingly enough, it seems all default references to 'Keyboard >> Shortcuts' have gone missing in Intrepid. All that >> System|Preferences|Keyboard Shortcuts shows (on mine anyway) is >> "", wereas in Hardy I have Ctrl-Alt-Delete as log out, >> etc (no Ctrl-Alt-Backspace though). > > Can't remember Intrepid, but on this machine (fresh install with > Intrepid, upgraded to Jaunty at alpha 5) I still have C-A-D listed as a > logout shortcut. > > Interesting. They are all blank/"" on the fairly fresh Intrepid install on my test machine. I plah to give Jaunty a spin later this week and will see if they change then. Then again, maybe it's related to the keyboard selection that I installed with: Generic 105-key (Intl) PC. It was an old NEC 'mouse button on keyboard' that I used to install & have since switched to a Dell L100 USB. I'll post in a separate thread on what I find out. Thanks. From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 00:27:44 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:27:44 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260487.nCzCvQPLCp@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies >> exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in >> ubuntu-devel-discuss. > > Are there any documented cases where a newbie has been bitten by this. Well, yes, but the Newbie died so "they" don't like to publicize it :-) -- derek From hal at burgiss.net Thu Mar 19 01:49:35 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:49:35 -0400 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090317225627.GP8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: <20090319014935.GA5135@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 07:42:44PM -0700, NoOp wrote: > > Again I don't have one, have you tried gtkpod-aac? Note: I'm not just > throwing out links (:-) as I'm interested as well; my son dualboots to > WinXP when he uses his ipod so I'm interested learning how to help him > use his ipod with Ubuntu. I haven't tried gtkpod-aac. gtkpod, yes, and rely on it for actually managing the music on the ipod itself. Seems to work well. The only issue I have is that the album art seems to be a problem. It gets lost, which is not a big deal to me, but certainly a shortcoming. Last I looked it was a known issue, but they were not in a hurry to improve it. Anyway, just installed gtkpod-aac and will look at it next time I hook the ipod up. I listen to what I have, but don't do a lot of futzing around with it. Most of what I have on it, are CD's that I ripped with rhythmbox, then moved on to the ipod with gtkpod. I suspect that there is a way to do this with one application, but I like both those, and they both have their strong suits. Anyway, the ipod is a great little piece of hardware. As mentioned iTunes is a problem. Hats off to Apple. Not only did they create some great handheld hardware, but a really nice way to manage music across multiple devices. And they pretty much created the online music store fad. They have done a great job of integrating all this very seamlessly. (And iphone too). There is nothing in native Linux that does all this as well as Apple does it. And I doubt there will ever be a native Linux iTunes version. And I am put off by the extreme lengths Apple goes to keep all this as proprietary as they do. So I shy away from iTunes on principle. I never seen anything that I wanted that Amazon did not have as DRM free mp3's. I rarely listen to music with anything else except the ipod, so the DRM crippled stuff that I do have (due to giftcards), is not much of a problem. The DRM iTunes music will not play on Linux (I haven't tried in a few months). It just won't. You can still probably copy DRM music and delete it, but why? I am happy as a clam with my approach (mp3's as much as possible, rhythmbox and gtkpod), but I suspect people who are used to the all-in-one mega-app approach won't. Its maybe a typical *nix versus MS approach to things. -- Hal From jason at bluetree.ath.cx Thu Mar 19 02:24:36 2009 From: jason at bluetree.ath.cx (Jason Crain) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:24:36 -0500 Subject: Mount an encrypted drive via LiveCD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C1ACE4.80006@bluetree.ath.cx> Craig Puchta wrote: > I have been using Jaunty for about 3 weeks now. Everything has been > working fine, save for a few minor bugs. Today I turn on my laptop > with Jaunty and it kind of freezes up just before the point where I > decrypt the hard drive. So, my question is this, is there a way I can > decrypt my hard drive with a live cd so I can recover some of the data > on the encrypted drive? The live cd is missing some software required to read the encrypted volume. You can install the software and read the volume with the following steps. sudo apt-get install cryptsetup lvm2 sudo modprobe dm_crypt sudo modprobe sha256_generic sudo modprobe aes_generic sudo crypsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXY cryptoroot The drive will then probably mount itself. If it doesn't, the device will show under /dev/mapper, so you can mount it manually. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 19 02:34:17 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:34:17 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C1AF29.60904@chrononomicon.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> David Curtis wrote: >> >> >>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>> >> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? > Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) At the risk of repeating myself again...when it last crashed on me, changing terminals *didn't work*. I tried it. I had jitter lines and a clear cursor I could point around the digital vomit on the screen. So until control-alt-backspace is replaced with mouse gestures... From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 19 02:35:13 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:13 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C1AF61.1050401@chrononomicon.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Joep L. Blom wrote: >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> >>>> David Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >>>> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >>>> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >>>> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? >>>> >>> Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a >>> noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo >>> reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do >>> once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that >>> it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it >>> running properly again, and then log back into it. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish-- >>> >>> Human reviewed index of links about the computer >>> http://www.rayslinks.com >>> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic >>> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ >>> >>> >>> >> Ray, >> After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. >> Joep >> > Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged > into 1? If you have control, yes. Same as logging in from another system using SSH, if you have another system available and the network stack didn't crap the bed too. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 19 02:37:52 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:37:52 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C1B000.7050809@chrononomicon.com> Knapp wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mario Vukelic > wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:07 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: >>> I'm using Linux because (using many different distro's) I have >>> complete control over the machine, yet on Ubuntu that complete control >>> is being taken away >> As has been pointed out repeatedly, it can be enabled with 1 or 2 >> commands. It was never case that anything and everything that is >> possible was also enabled. It's always been about trade-offs. >> >> Also, may I point out gently that Ubuntu never made it a secret that >> their system should be usable by what you so nicely call "idiots" (which >> includes, for example, my wife. thanks). Cf. bug #1, >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 >> >> There are other linux distros to choose from, which is kind of the >> point. > > If C.A.D. can have a pop up then why can't C.A.B????? This would seem > to end all the discussion. Also if X is not working then you don't see > the pop up but the code should be able to tell if X is dead or not. > Perhaps hitting it 2 times would force it when all is dead? Probably because A) I think CAB is intercepted by Linux, not X. B) If the code is in a hung/stuck/fubar state, it *can't* reliably tell you jack with a popup or prompt. That was kind of the point. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 19 02:42:23 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:42:23 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237408387.13857.85.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <1237408387.13857.85.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C1B10F.4030608@chrononomicon.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:21 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> You are describing a situation in which the user decides to >> press Ctrl-Alt-Delete, which is a key combination for an unrelated >> operating system, and actually misses one of the three keys. He then >> lands on one specific key nearby. > > Ignoring for now the fact that practically 100% of Ubutu newbies will > come from Windows, I forgot to mention (and NoOp's post in another > subthread reminded me of this): > > Did you ever try C-A-D in Ubuntu? Go ahead. It brings up the logout > dialog. > > So, we have the perfectly benign "official" shortcut C-A-D which gives > you a dialog and options, and a tiny distance away the big honking kill > switch C-A-B. Good usability design? I don't think so. Hit C-A-D. On this system...a logout prompt. On the one at work...nothing appeared. Another example of outstanding usability? Or did someone miss consistent behavior in their bid to tell me I know nothing of the concept of usability? From ovitorio at hotmail.com Thu Mar 19 03:12:24 2009 From: ovitorio at hotmail.com (Vitorio Okio) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: no sound in sound&video aps., flash still sounds after todays 8.04 update Message-ID: As subject says, after today's update of my Ubuntu 8.04 all of my sound & video apps (VLS, Totem, Rythmbox, etc.) lost sound completely. I still can watch videos and listen to music on Youtube in my Firefox. Thus Flash is fine. I do not remember what exactly was updated but it seems to me there were some sound & video related libraries. Alsamixer GUI applet shows correct hardware and all channels are enabled. PulseAudio applet shows the hardware and software (alsa is in use) correctly as well. Boy, it's frustrating. This is LTS release. Why an update should brake it so badly? Any suggestions, please? Your help is appreciated. From julio.argota at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 03:55:29 2009 From: julio.argota at gmail.com (Julio Argota) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:55:29 -0600 Subject: How I can know when a deamond is activated? Message-ID: How I can know when a deamond is activated?. Example if a USB memory is inserted ubuntu, more specific usbfs deamon, automount the memory and open a nautylus windows. How I can performance a task when it happend. I have a bash script whit the actions that I to do, but I don't know where to place this. -- Atte Julio N. Argota Q. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 04:04:29 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:04:29 -0300 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49C0B60F.8030605@writeme.com> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> <49C0B60F.8030605@writeme.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Stephen wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> Ray Parrish wrote: >>> Stephen wrote: >>>> Stephen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All >>>>> >>>>> Kubuntu 8.10 >>>>> >>>>> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >>>>> text size as these are to small.  I have seen these setting in two places: >>>>> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >>>>> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >>>>> >>>>> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >>>>> have to login again.  Odd, as I have used these before. >>>>> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >>>>> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >>>>> improved performance. >>>>> >>>>> I would also like to reduce colour depth.  When I last looked at the >>>>> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >>>>> reducing the colour depth.  I have looked around System Settings. >>>>> >>>>> Any help appreciated >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dear All >>>> >>>> This issue has proved problematic to resolve.  I have tried some >>>> suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X >>>> at start up makes no difference to the display. >>>> >>>> I still have the problems of >>>> 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen >>>> Resize & Rotate. >>>> 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off >>>> the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits >>>> 3) Windows render slowly >>>> 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a >>>> size that I can read - it is all too small >>>> 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a >>>> wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. >>>> But I cannot access the display options to change it. >>>> >>>> I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the >>>> onboard graphics.  The pc has 1GB of RAM.  If I installed a PCI graphics >>>> card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already >>>> configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. >>>> One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned >>>> onboard/Intel graphics are problematic.  Now I am fed up with the problem. >>>> >>>> I want to explore installing a graphics card.  Has any one any >>>> recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not >>>> have to be fiddled with. >>>> >>>> I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not >>>> sure what it is. >>>> >>>> Any recommendations welcomed. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned >>> to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's >>> currently assigned to the video card.  This is way too low, and you >>> should be able to change that setting  right there where it's displayed >>> in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, >>> and go all the way up to 256 MB's. >>> >>> Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available >>> system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode >>> with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, >>> all with no problems whatsoever. >>> >>> When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for  the video card >>> and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray >>> out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or >>> two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have >>> the gray out problem. >>> >>> An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It >>> works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI >>> program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal >>> screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create >>> with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of >>> it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video >>> resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes >>> take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. >>> >>> xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, >>> hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a >>> Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will >>> then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. >>> >>> There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your >>> changes to the xorg.conf file. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >>> >> Dear Ray >> >> Thanks for the responses.  I tried the BIOS to adjust the video memory >> and it only allows selection between 1MB and 8MB.  Nice idea but thwarted. >> >> xvidtune was revealing.  I started it as root as I assumed it had to >> write to Xorg.conf, and it showed that my res is 1440 X 900.  I could >> indeed use the Left/Right, Wider/Narrower, up/down, shorter/taller >> buttons.  No sliders I am sorry to say. >> >> However, when I adjusted using Narrower/Shorter and then pressed Test I >> got an error message that "Sorry you have requested a Mode-Line that is >> not possible, or not supported by your hardware or configuration" >> >> Not sure if this is user error.  Should I have logged out of the GUI (if >> so not sure how to do that)? >> >> Should I have used Wider/Taller? >> >> Dell have replied to my  enquiry and confirmed that  can only use PCI >> (not PCI express) graphics cards.  Any recommendations if I am not able >> to increase onboard video memory >> >> Hope to hear from you >> >> Stephen >> >> > > Dear All > > Thanks to all who have tried to assist with this problem. > > Dell have confirmed that the BIOS cannot allocate anything more than the > 8MB option.  So I am very likely to purchase the Nvidia GE Force 6200 > (PCI, and 256 MB RAM) graphics card as a way of overcoming the > limitation of only 8MB system RAM allocated to my onboard graphics card. > > It appears supported as well.  The ubuntu website has stated that the > package I need is nvidia-glx. > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this graphics card ? > > Hope to hear > > Thanks > > Stephen (no BIOS update available?) Since part of the computer's RAM is used to manage graphic cards like the NVidia 6200, you should expect some decrease in available memory (1 Gb) after installing a 0.25 Gb board. You will probably end up with less available RAM than before. Perhaps you should consider a more conservative approach or be prepared to eventually increase your computer's RAM (even though Ubuntu will still run nicely with the remaining memory). Most applications will run perfectly with a 128 Mb video board. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 04:19:09 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:19:09 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> Message-ID: <20090318231909.25879f58@WizardsTower> "Joseph Linkous" said: > What's the argument here? I'm not quite sure. It seems more like > people simply resisting a change instead of people resisting for a > logical reason. I think my own resistance to it /as a default/ is that it is just more of the trend to make Linux operate more and more like Windows does. Linux has had its own ways of working and should let new folks learn them instead of offering constant WinUser accommodation. This leads to more and bulkier code, many times to conflicting code. I now have to DL a package to enable something that has always (in my own experience) been available? Will Windows disable >Ctrl-Alt-Delete> if I lose data because I, used to Linux' , inadvertently give the Three Finger Salute? No. Why should Linux change into a clone of Windows, especially for something that likely doesn't happen at all often? Let the new folks learn or offer /them/ a package to /dis/able instead of making old Tried and True users do the work of turning on That Which Should Be Turned On. Haven't the newbuntuers all heard that Linux gives us better/more control of our boxen? Disabling that control by default is backward thinking. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 04:22:29 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:22:29 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237408387.13857.85.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <1237408387.13857.85.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090318232229.4676f15c@WizardsTower> Mario Vukelic said: > Did you ever try C-A-D in Ubuntu? Go ahead. It brings up the logout > dialog. I just tried it on both my and my daughter's Hardy installs. Nothing. My Intrepid does work that way. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From ovitorio at hotmail.com Thu Mar 19 04:40:09 2009 From: ovitorio at hotmail.com (Vitorio Okio) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SOLVED] no sound in sound&video aps., flash still sounds after todays 8.04 update References: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:12:24 +0000, Vitorio Okio wrote: > As subject says, after today's update of my Ubuntu 8.04 all of my sound > & video apps (VLS, Totem, Rythmbox, etc.) lost sound completely. > > I still can watch videos and listen to music on Youtube in my Firefox. > Thus Flash is fine. > > I do not remember what exactly was updated but it seems to me there were > some sound & video related libraries. > > Alsamixer GUI applet shows correct hardware and all channels are > enabled. PulseAudio applet shows the hardware and software (alsa is in > use) correctly as well. > > Boy, it's frustrating. This is LTS release. Why an update should brake > it so badly? > > Any suggestions, please? Your help is appreciated. Solved. There were 2 X-s running concurrently. My wife, on her side, had Firefox opened on a page containing Flash video, which was just paused. Thus Flash kept alsa not accessible for anything else. As soon as I closed Firefox the sound get back. Stupid thing took me over an hour of troubleshooting, googling, and looking there and there. Well, I've learnt my lesson pretty hard way. :-) And now I feel bad for blaming wonderful Ubuntu. :-( Sorry folks. From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 19 06:15:23 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Error im mysql Message-ID: <449132.182.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                   I finish install mysql when i set root password then it is showing error then how can i set this error. mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 06:41:30 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:41:30 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > It has only recently > stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. Recently? IIRC it was there in Win 2000 and probably NT before that. OK, once could argue that XP was the first "NT for the masses", but when was that released, 2002? From eqisow at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 06:44:55 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:44:55 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> Message-ID: 2001 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > > It has only recently > > stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. > > Recently? IIRC it was there in Win 2000 and probably NT before that. OK, > once could argue that XP was the first "NT for the masses", but when was > that released, 2002? > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 06:45:22 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:45:22 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237445122.4758.10.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 20:09 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs > > Amazing how much work that turned out to be :-( You are my hero! *bow* From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 06:47:15 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:47:15 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <3115385.kGL7hOz8P5@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <1237358269.13857.21.camel@chronic> <49C0E996.6060301@chrononomicon.com> <3115385.kGL7hOz8P5@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237445235.4758.12.camel@chronic> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:58 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > In fact (now, just settle down youngsters, the old guy's going to tell > a story...) Windows had _exactly_ this usability nightmare. In > pre-Windows 95 days, ctrl-alt-delete rebooted the system. Exactly. Win 95 (and I don't think any non-NT fixed this). I thought we want to be better then _that_ From kassube at gmx.net Thu Mar 19 07:13:25 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:13:25 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Josh Holland wrote: > > How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies > > exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion > > in ubuntu-devel-discuss. > > Surely it could be a configurable option It is a GUI configurable option at least for KDE in Jaunty. Even if it wasn't configurable with the GUI there is still the option to modify xorg.conf. Therefore I can't really understand the outcry. Nils From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Thu Mar 19 07:36:05 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Christopher Rob JONES) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:36:05 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C1F5E5.7040008@cern.ch> >> If the user is depending on his GPS not to get him into a deadly >> accident, then I hope that it will be a telephone pole delivering his >> Darwin award and not oncoming traffic. > > This has nothing to do with the point of the example, so I won't > comment. > you already have ... From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Thu Mar 19 07:41:23 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Christopher Rob JONES) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:41:23 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C1F723.7040906@cern.ch> Hi, > Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your > keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. For me the problem is contrl-alt-backspace isn't that far removed from contrl-alt-delete, which on most systems I use brings up either a logout window or task manager, or something similar. I use that key combo a lot. On many keyboards delete and backspace are pretty close. So I think it is possible for people to accidentally hit C-A-B when aiming for C-A-somethingelse - more than you think. That said. I've never done it by accident myself, as far as I can recall. just my 2 pence worth ... Chris From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Thu Mar 19 07:44:25 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Christopher Rob JONES) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:44:25 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> Hi, > Is there a documented case of this happening? Has any user ever > complained that this situation has caused him dataloss? Seriously? Go > dig up a mailing list archive, for any distro, that shows this > phenomenon happening. Surely the fact this was discussed to death on the devel list means someone somewhere most have done this, to trigger that discussion ? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:03:00 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:03:00 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: Is there a partiton size limit?) References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> <49C1809C.7040409@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:15:40 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > If you insist on pressing this minor issue, then I can easily fix it, by > establishing a filter to sort your posts to the trash, and you will never > experience the "problem" again. > Okay Ray, I don't mind if you plonk me. I gave you the opportunity to learn, as always it is up to you whether or not you choose to. From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:21:10 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:21:10 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: .>> Ray, >> After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. >> Joep >> > Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged > into 1? > > Later, Ray Parrish If you have jumped out of X then I would think it is dead, so jumping back to X with 7 will give you the same dead X. If howeever, you fix it from f1 then jump back to f7 all should be good. Use the man command and learn these: Top is a great tool to learn but I hate its interface. Atop or htop is better but you must install it. (not hard!) Anyone know which is best? kill (built into the 3 above) ps Anyone less have commands that are a must have for fixing a dead X? For the newbie, start looking at the htop list and look for programs that are maxing out the CPU or just start killing off stuff that you know is running under X and you can kill without problems. For example, I often kill the software that I was using when the computer froze up and that fixes the problem or if that fails start killing of software that you know can take it, like firefox and sound and movie viewers. Save programs with data that needs saving for last. When all else fails kill X itself. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:27:17 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:27:17 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: > Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged > into 1? > > Later, Ray Parrish Sudo gives you the power to kill anything. Also mostly Linux permissions are user based, not terminal, so if you are user ray and you kill process owned by ray then you have no problems without sudo. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 08:42:57 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:42:57 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > Joep L. Blom wrote: >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> >>>> David Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >>>> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >>>> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >>>> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? >>>> >>> Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a >>> noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo >>> reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do >>> once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that >>> it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it >>> running properly again, and then log back into it. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish-- >>> >>> Human reviewed index of links about the computer >>> http://www.rayslinks.com >>> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic >>> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ >>> >>> >>> >> Ray, >> After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. >> Joep >> > Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged > into 1? > > Later, Ray Parrish Is this question in two threads or am I going crazy? You can kill it. If you can't then kill it with sudo kill. use htop to find what needs killing and to do the killing. Then jump back to f7. See my other post for more details. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Thu Mar 19 09:07:33 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:07:33 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C20B55.8030008@neuroweave.nl> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: >> Joep L. Blom wrote: >>> Ray Parrish wrote: >>> >>>> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>>> >>>>> David Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> To me, removing C-A-B to limit this issue, is a sound decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Not for people like me who have used Linux for many moons now, and when >>>>> X locks up that is one of the first methods to regain some form of >>>>> control...what's the alternative if you don't have another system to try >>>>> SSH'ing into it and checking processes? >>>>> >>>> Uh, CTRL-ALT-F1??? or F2, F3, etc... 8-) Although, since I'm still a >>>> noob, when I do an F1 to the console, I usually wind up doing a sudo >>>> reboot from there to continue, as I'm not really sure yet what to do >>>> once I get there. I'm sure with a little more reading on my part, that >>>> it's possible to query, and kill processes from the other tty to get it >>>> running properly again, and then log back into it. >>>> >>>> Later, Ray Parrish-- >>>> >>>> Human reviewed index of links about the computer >>>> http://www.rayslinks.com >>>> Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic >>>> http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Ray, >>> After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. >>> Joep >>> >> Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged >> into 1? >> >> Later, Ray Parrish > > Is this question in two threads or am I going crazy? > You can kill it. If you can't then kill it with sudo kill. > use htop to find what needs killing and to do the killing. Then jump > back to f7. See my other post for more details. > > Douglas, I answered last evening and then went to bed so I couldn't clarify. Your answers are absolutely right. Do Ctrl-Alt-Fn (n=1-6) and start a session (in such a case I prefer a root-session). Then I use ps -ef|grep to find the offending process(es). It is not a panacee. Sometimes besides X kernel processes are so 'mangled' that Ctrl-Alt-Fn doesn't work. Sometimes the network processes and sshd are still working and logging in from another system can be used to try to solve the problem (mostly killing X). If that also fails, it's the big black button. I have seen in this thread a few times people stopping X with /etc/init.d/gdm stop. I think it's much easier to use the (old?) command service (as root), and in the same vein why people are using gdm or kdm when the good old startx still works? Joep From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 19 09:11:24 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:11:24 +0000 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 06:49:21PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ernst Doubt wrote: > > 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : > > I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today > someone > > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know > how > > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. > > > > Karl > > > > /me waves hand > > I did it! > > (sorry, I just couldn't resist) > > Well you could but you didn't so we all get to see what an ass YOU are. > I think there was an underlying message you have missed. Without any clue as to what is wrong with IMAP on your system there is very little we can do to help you. If you mean that following some advice given to you by someone on this list about IMAP has broken something then please tell us what you did and what has gone wrong. Then we might be able to help. -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 19 09:15:51 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:15:51 +0000 Subject: Error im mysql In-Reply-To: <449132.182.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <449132.182.qm@web23602.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090319091551.GG12661@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 06:15:23AM +0000, jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends > I finish install mysql when i set root password then it is > showing error then how can i set this error. > > mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed > error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' > Note that it's saying "using password: NO", you haven't started it in a way where you supply a password. If you are trying to run from the command line you need to enter:- mysql -user=root -p and then you will be prompted for a password. -- Chris Green From bendon_bar at hotmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:22:46 2009 From: bendon_bar at hotmail.com (Bendon Bar) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:22:46 +0900 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my question is more stranger. I personally want to run my linux application after just come the Window manager. No desktop items on desktop, no Panel, nothing, just completely blank. Only my application will be run at startup. Is this possible using Ubuntu Mini Remix Step by Step. I read from the internet, e.g http://ubuntu-mini-remix.crealabs.it/ They tell about UCK or Reconstructor. I guess UCK or Reconstructor is much difficult for me to make such interface. Anyway, I am hoping, some one have the answer or have already done that. I will be very greatful if some share with me. Basically I don't know which packages should be installed one after another to reach until the Desktop, Or simple until the Xorg installation. Thank you Best Regards -Mostafa _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:25:11 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:25:11 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:09:40 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: .[..] > Amazing how much work that turned out to be :-( > Someday people might thank you for your work, your intentions are commendable. > Let's try and help people out without being snarky about it, and still > save time and aggravation answering the same old questions over and over > again. > It may take more than your effort to stop some people from being snarky, it has been my experience that some people come here (and to all lists and forums) specifically to be snarky. ;-) >[..] > PPS If you have any comments (other than 'you are nuts' - we've > established that already) feel free to pass 'em along on or off list! You may want to consider putting a form for archive search up, to make it a bit easier for newbies. Something similar to this but I am not a website coder, someone else, or you, can probably refine this (I haven't even tested it): [code]

[/code] If you do this, I'd suggest you also give a brief hint about how to choose effective keywords. From craigpuchta at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:25:53 2009 From: craigpuchta at gmail.com (Craig Puchta) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:25:53 -0400 Subject: Mount an encrypted drive via LiveCD? In-Reply-To: <49C1ACE4.80006@bluetree.ath.cx> References: <49C1ACE4.80006@bluetree.ath.cx> Message-ID: > The drive will then probably mount itself.  If it doesn't, the device > will show under /dev/mapper, so you can mount it manually. Thanks, I will keep this for possible future use. I actually booted to the kernel before the update with no problems. I now see there is yet another kernel update so I'll see if maybe that fixes it. From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 09:54:34 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:54:34 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903190254j3569138y83f6caca39adb5d2@mail.gmail.com> Very nice work Brian ! Lotsa Kudo's for you ! 2009/3/19 Brian McKee > Check it out! > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs > > Amazing how much work that turned out to be :-( > > Anyway, feel free to add your favourite FAQs to it if you have any, > and if you spot someone asking a FAQ on the list (like that ever > happens :-) feel free to point them that way! > > Let's try and help people out without being snarky about it, and still > save time and aggravation answering the same old questions over and > over again. > > Brian > > PS I'd especially like to see a 'server vs desktop' FAQ up there, but > wasn't comfortable writing it myself right now. Anyone??? > > PPS If you have any comments (other than 'you are nuts' - we've > established that already) feel free to pass 'em along on or off list! > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 19 10:13:46 2009 From: jitenjha11 at yahoo.co.uk (jiten jha) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Error in createing database through normal user Message-ID: <255856.52530.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear friends                I install mysql server in my pc. Run grant command to give access user to create and show database but user can show data base , do not create database . when user create database then it is give error . 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I read somewhere once that you can. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:24:10 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:24:10 +0100 Subject: Error in createing database through normal user In-Reply-To: <255856.52530.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <255856.52530.qm@web23601.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903190324o1d104805w6ecc829ebb1a1914@mail.gmail.com> Jiten, It is not that I am unwilling, but this maillinglist is not about mysql. Maybe you should try Google first ? Or perhaps the mysql maillinglist ? regards, Andy 2009/3/19 jiten jha > Dear friends > I install mysql server in my pc. Run grant command to give > access user to create and show database but user can show data base , do not > create database . when user create database then it is give error . > ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'jiten'@'localhost' to database > 'hi' > tell me the way plz > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:34:30 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:34:30 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903190334j7af83750j2a3157713e646ffb@mail.gmail.com> > It is a GUI configurable option at least for KDE in Jaunty. Even if it > wasn't configurable with the GUI there is still the option to modify > xorg.conf. Therefore I can't really understand the outcry. > The problem is that the xorg configuration needs to be in place before there is a problem. When there is a problem, you cannot configure the computer to respect C-A-B. Would you like a car analogy? This is like car manufacturers removing airbags from cars, because buses don't have airbags. You are arguing that the end user can install the airbags, but he must (1) know that there are no airbags in the car, and (2) do it sometime before there is a traffic accident. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:37:49 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:37:49 -0700 Subject: Networking and USB References: <49BD8383.8070504@mcsnet.ca> <84250c9c0903151833y2198235cjf08bf82e2cef9c29@mail.gmail.com> <49C02474.7010204@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: [..] > Samba shares file systems. It does not know or care how that file system > is provided. eSata, USB or carrier pigeon.... > Oh my! Mount /"carrier pigeon" :-) (sorry Brian, I couldn't resist) To poster Ted, I apologise for injecting my attempt at humour here. Do consider what Brian wrote, you have shares on a filesystem, why would the other end care about what medium it was on. You probably want to ensure that the share on that drive is always up and available to the Windows systems that have mapped to it. From hawat.thufir at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:40:11 2009 From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: A application/x-ms-dos-executable decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. Message-ID: how do you know which dll is missing? I followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats Is this a windows virus kinda thing? why does it need an executable? why a dll and not a codec? how can linux simulate a windows dll? I also found a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/290425 "missing dll" is kinda vague. thufir at arrakis:~$ thufir at arrakis:~$ totem foo.avi.scr ** (totem:7463): WARNING **: Failed to create dbus proxy for org.gnome.SettingsDaemon: Could not get owner of name 'org.gnome.SettingsDaemon': no such name ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Init of Python module ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Registering Python plugin instance: YouTube +TotemPythonPlugin ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Creating object of type YouTube+TotemPythonPlugin ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Creating Python plugin instance ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Init of Python module ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Registering Python plugin instance: BBCViewer +TotemPythonPlugin ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Creating object of type BBCViewer +TotemPythonPlugin ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Creating Python plugin instance ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-ms-dos-executable ** Message: Error: A application/x-ms-dos-executable decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. gstdecodebin.c(904): close_pad_link (): /GstPlayBin:play/ GstDecodeBin:decodebin0: No decoder to handle media type 'application/x-ms-dos-executable' ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|totem|application/x-ms-dos- executable decoder|decoder-application/x-ms-dos-executable (application/x- ms-dos-executable decoder) no application found ** Message: No installation candidate for missing plugins found. ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-ms-dos-executable ** Message: Error: A application/x-ms-dos-executable decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. gstdecodebin.c(904): close_pad_link (): /GstPlayBin:play/ GstDecodeBin:decodebin1: No decoder to handle media type 'application/x-ms-dos-executable' ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|totem|application/x-ms-dos- executable decoder|decoder-application/x-ms-dos-executable (ignoring) ** Message: All missing plugins are blacklisted, doing nothing ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Finalizing Python plugin instance ** (totem:7463): DEBUG: Finalizing Python plugin instance thufir at arrakis:~$ thanks, Thufir From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:43:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:43:37 +0200 Subject: xorg.conf question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> > I want to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu when its released, but I don't > want to have to dork with the same-old display resolution issues all > over again.  Can I take my existing xorg.conf file, save off a copy, > install the new Ubuntu when its out and replace its xorg.conf with my > own after I've installed the Nvidia drivers?  I read somewhere once > that you can. > The newer *buntus are using bulletproof X, which by default dos not use xorg.conf. Supposedly, you can add your own lines to xorg.conf but my experience with this has not been great. However, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Kubuntu 9.04 alpha recognizes and configures my unusual widescreen resolutions. So I really don't need to edit xorg.conf in 9.04. I very much suggest that you try the current alpha and see how it works on your system: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/ Don't forget to file a bug if it _doesn't_ work, so that it could be fixed before release. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From nytrokiss at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:45:56 2009 From: nytrokiss at gmail.com (James Matthews) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:45:56 +0200 Subject: Running a web server on 256 RAM In-Reply-To: <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> References: <8a6b8e350903160203j44ff1998u5d551318668c5f6@mail.gmail.com> <49BE91A7.70800@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <8a6b8e350903190345nacb60dak21140fb356391838@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for everything. 2009/3/16 CLIFFORD ILKAY > James Matthews wrote: > > I am wondering if I am able to run a webserver (Apache,MySql) for my > > wordpress blog and django site on 256 megs ram. Yes I know everything is > > possible however I wish to upgrade from shared hosting to a VPS > > (Slicehost or Linode I didn't decide yet....) and I am wondering if it > > will work out. > > As long as you don't expect much traffic, it'll be fine but 256M for > that software stack is really pretty minimal. Substituting nginx > (lightpd apparently leaks a lot of memory) for Apache will reduce your > resource consumption considerably but you'll have to serve WP via fcgi. > For Django, you have the option of fcgi or mod_wsgi. > > You should be aware that on some distros, running mod_php and mod_python > at the same time with Apache can be problematic due to them being linked > to incompatible versions of the MySQL libraries. It doesn't even matter > if you use MySQL. It still causes problems. If I recall, the symptom for > PHP was white screens and for Django, a 500 error code being returned. > > In our hosting operation, we're moving people away from hosting their > own database servers in their own VPS. Database servers can require > considerable resources to perform well and it makes more sense to have > one instance of the database server with lots of resources allocated to > it to which various users from various shared accounts or VPS can > connect rather than having one instance of a database server running per > VPS where you're going to have minimal resources allocated to the > database server. In other words, there are economies of scale with > database servers that I think people ignore all for the illusion of > control. It requires a bit of coordination between us and the hosting > client but the payoff is that they get a database server that is bound > to perform better than anything they can host in their own VPS. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/Watches.asp?Brand=71 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:47:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:47:17 +0200 Subject: A application/x-ms-dos-executable decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903190347v31be04f9q99392928623eb31d@mail.gmail.com> Please post a link to the file in question, or send it to me in private mail. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Mar 19 10:57:35 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:57:35 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237408175.13857.82.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <49C155EA.1000506@chrononomicon.com> <1237408175.13857.82.camel@chronic> Message-ID: Hi All you CAB addicts, many people wrote many things.... > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:13 -0400, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> I don't see that as a >> reason to disable control-alt-backspace as much as it is a reason to >> disable their car. > > I won't reply to your other replies, lest this escalates into a > flamewar. You know perfectly well what I wrote, so there's no real point > in you posting this except anger (or something). I start to get angry > too, so let's quit it, all points have been made. > > I think it is really amusing to see people talk and flame endlessly about a non issue (IMHO). If CAB is what you need to call yourself a hacker, go for it or get a life with some system from Redmond. Just for the records: I meant "Save people's life" in the context of saving someones digital like, i.e. saving her data from being corrupted. Sorry for not being clear. regards Eberhard From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 11:24:35 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:24:35 +0100 Subject: Logging errors & messages from tty3 during installation Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903190424x709e91abia5391ab08c816baf@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is there a way to log the errors and messages from the virtual consoles during installation ? I'm trying to do some postinstall stuff during a preconfigured installation. Some of these postinstalls have some errors and generate some logging. But they fly too fast off the screen to read them. So, if anyone can give me a hint how to catch em, I would be helped alot ! cheers, Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:02:59 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:02:59 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> Chris G wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 06:49:21PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ernst Doubt wrote: >> >> 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : >> > I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today >> someone >> > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know >> how >> > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. >> > >> > Karl >> > >> >> /me waves hand >> >> I did it! >> >> (sorry, I just couldn't resist) >> >> Well you could but you didn't so we all get to see what an ass YOU are. >> >> > I think there was an underlying message you have missed. Without any > clue as to what is wrong with IMAP on your system there is very little > we can do to help you. > > If you mean that following some advice given to you by someone on > this list about IMAP has broken something then please tell us what you > did and what has gone wrong. Then we might be able to help. > > > Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow by some one. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 19 12:06:49 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:06:49 -0400 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> Bendon Bar wrote: > Hello All, > > Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my > question is more stranger. > > I personally want to run my linux application after just come the Window > manager. > No desktop items on desktop, no Panel, nothing, just completely blank. > Only my application will be run at startup. system> preferences> sessions add the program you want to autostart in the startup tab. steve From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:08:12 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:08:12 +0000 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from > imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel > explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. > > It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow > by some one. > I do find myself wondering what makes you suspect it is someone from this list? My first thought, if you haven't changed anything locally, would be that it's an error at Google's end. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:10:39 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:10:39 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 Message-ID: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hi folks ! I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? Yours , KMB Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:18:55 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:18:55 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from >> imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel >> explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. >> >> It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow >> by some one. >> >> > > I do find myself wondering what makes you suspect it is someone from > this list? My first thought, if you haven't changed anything locally, > would be that it's an error at Google's end. > > Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and it seems to be fine. This is just such a strange problem. I changed my password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From dcurtis at uniserve.com Thu Mar 19 12:21:37 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:21:37 -0400 Subject: xorg.conf question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090319082137.8f65c3e9.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:21:22 -0400 Michael Haney wrote: > I want to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu when its released, but I don't > want to have to dork with the same-old display resolution issues all > over again. Can I take my existing xorg.conf file, save off a copy, > install the new Ubuntu when its out and replace its xorg.conf with my > own after I've installed the Nvidia drivers? I read somewhere once > that you can. > Yes. Yes. Yes. Ignore any answers to the contrary. Copying it over should not be a problem. Hand editing Xorg.conf is not necessary in most cases but if Xorg doesn't configure your hardware right you _absolutely_can_edit_the_file_. _Xorg_will_read_it_. I've done it enough times on Hardy, Intrepid and now Jaunty. In fact you can still edit xorg.conf not just for resolution issues, but for strange input devices and multiple displays. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution And a google on 'ubuntu resolution' or 'xorg.conf example ubuntu' will return a ton of stuff about what you can do with this file. -- David Curtis From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:23:15 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:23:15 -0600 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > There are no AutoCAD products written for Linux. It is all written for windows and I think you might be smart to go back to Windows XP. Vista has many issues. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:33:44 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C23BA8.8070900@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Avi Greenbury wrote: >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >>> Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from >>> imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel >>> explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. >>> >>> It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow >>> by some one. >>> >>> >> I do find myself wondering what makes you suspect it is someone from >> this list? My first thought, if you haven't changed anything locally, >> would be that it's an error at Google's end. >> >> > Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and > it seems to be fine. This is just such a strange problem. I changed my > password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect > to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. > > > Karl > > Are you getting an error message when you load up Thunderbird? Also, if you are using IMAP, you need to make sure that it is using port 993 with SSL. Also, are you able to send mail from Thunderbird? This would all be pertinent information that will allow us to help you better. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From nickolai.toupikov at deri.org Thu Mar 19 12:33:59 2009 From: nickolai.toupikov at deri.org (Nickolai Toupikov) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:33:59 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> Dont know if the discussion was originally meant so, but this sure is a nice troll in the best traditions of the art. Reaching careless driving from pulesaudio restart with the usual bash at the html emails. Anyway : there is a discussion on kubuntu forums about this, telling how to reenable this combo. http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3100383.0 basically just add something to xorg.conf Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "off" EndSection personally i will do it because i find this useful when wine crashes xorg. usually it crashes it just enough for CAB to still work. If someone already posted the link - well i guess twice is not too much if someone ever does not want to read through the full flame war. Peace Nickolai Josh Holland wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:49:32PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> But what's with "is being disabled in Jaunty"? What an odd concept. >> > How have you not heard? C-A-B is being disabled to prevent newbies > exploring restarting their X servers. There was quite a discussion in > ubuntu-devel-discuss. > Josh > > From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:35:24 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:35:24 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C23C0C.7030100@gmail.com> madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I > design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect > and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have > just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to > know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my > trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so > then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB When I was at uni I did look for CAD software for Linux, though much smaller-scale (and mostly 2D), and found lots that looked promising, though I had to also have AutoCAD compatability, which doesn't quite exist under Linux. I cannot find the resource I found then, which is a shame, as it was huge, the only product I can remember coming across was QCad. There was definitely quite a large amount of engineer-orientated CAD software for Linux, though a large proportion of it wasn't quite fully polished. I've no idea what's different for Architects, though. A quick google search found this list http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html And an `apt-cache " CAD "` came up with the following, amonst others: varkon - A CAD-system with parametric modelling qcad - professional CAD system which might well be worth a look. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:41:37 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:41:37 +0000 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and > it seems to be fine. This rules out a configuration error at your end. It doesn't rule out Google's IMAP server falling over. Quite often my Thunderbird just doesn't get a response from Google's IMAP servers. I just wait a bit and it starts working again. It always affects both my Gmail accounts at the same time, and both tend to start working again at the same time. > This is just such a strange problem. I changed my > password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect > to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. It's certainly not impossible, but what makes you think someone's got your password? -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Thu Mar 19 12:43:40 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?windows-1252?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:43:40 +0100 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C23DFC.3000908@gmx.at> madanabhat27 at gmail.com schrieb: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel check out http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CAD the descriptions are in german, but the list of CAD-programs could be a good starting point for a research. As you are going to save a lot of money using Ubuntu you could try out the commercial programs listed to. wish you luck Franz From nbensa at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:44:15 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:44:15 -0300 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD In-Reply-To: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> References: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903190544p17dd5315h1e6a4149c45108cc@mail.gmail.com> I think OP wants a kiosk On 3/19/09, Steve Reilly wrote: > Bendon Bar wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my >> question is more stranger. >> >> I personally want to run my linux application after just come the Window >> manager. >> No desktop items on desktop, no Panel, nothing, just completely blank. >> Only my application will be run at startup. > > system> preferences> sessions add the program you want to autostart > in the startup tab. > > > steve > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Sent from my mobile device From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:46:01 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:46:01 +0200 Subject: What video driver? Message-ID: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. How can I tell from the CLI which video driver a system is using? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:46:23 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:46:23 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 Message-ID: <1524171760-1237466786-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1134628226-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 Sent: Mar 19, 2009 6:13 PM Hi karl .. Thanx 4 the advice but I wasn't referring to auto cad and what I really meant was that I wanted to know weather or not there are any open source 3D/2D CAD/Building Information Modeling software available for Ubuntu and I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD ------Original Message------ From: Karl F. Larsen To: madanabhat27 at gmail.com To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 Sent: Mar 19, 2009 5:53 PM madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > There are no AutoCAD products written for Linux. It is all written for windows and I think you might be smart to go back to Windows XP. Vista has many issues. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:48:44 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:48:44 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and >> it seems to be fine. > > This rules out a configuration error at your end. It doesn't rule out > Google's IMAP server falling over. > Quite often my Thunderbird just doesn't get a response from Google's > IMAP servers. I just wait a bit and it starts working again. It always > affects both my Gmail accounts at the same time, and both tend to start > working again at the same time. > > >> This is just such a strange problem. I changed my >> password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect >> to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. > > It's certainly not impossible, but what makes you think someone's got > your password? > Just out of curiosity, if IMAP has so many issues with Gmail servers, why use IMAP at all? I personally use POP and have never had a problem connecting to Gmail servers. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From kauer at biplane.com.au Thu Mar 19 12:50:16 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:50:16 +1100 Subject: evolution no longer issuing alarms?!? Message-ID: <1237467016.32729.475.camel@karl> For some time now, not sure how long, Evolution has not been issuing alarms. It used to pop up a dialogue box some minutes before an appointment. I've done several tests, making sure that I have an alarm set, and nope - nada. What could have changed? I don't remember adjusting anything at all... Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:51:59 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:51:59 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23BA8.8070900@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23BA8.8070900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C23FEF.4080509@gmail.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Avi Greenbury wrote: >> >>> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from >>>> imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel >>>> explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. >>>> >>>> It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow >>>> by some one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I do find myself wondering what makes you suspect it is someone from >>> this list? My first thought, if you haven't changed anything locally, >>> would be that it's an error at Google's end. >>> >>> >>> >> Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and >> it seems to be fine. This is just such a strange problem. I changed my >> password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect >> to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. >> >> >> Karl >> >> >> > > Are you getting an error message when you load up Thunderbird? Also, if > you are using IMAP, you need to make sure that it is using port 993 with > SSL. Also, are you able to send mail from Thunderbird? This would all > be pertinent information that will allow us to help you better. > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > Hi Dirk, you gave me the info I needed. For some reason my Thunderbird had reverted to the old standard port and SSL was off. After getting those back to the proper place it is working fine again. Thank you very much. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 12:53:12 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:53:12 -0400 Subject: OT: Monkey Bash on the Megatouch. Message-ID: <49C24038.2030201@sbcglobal.net> I was out at the bar last night, and saw the Megatouch game unit rebooting, it uses Linux :) Anyway, there is a game on there called Monkey Bash. http://www.meritind.com//images/Games%20and%20Demos/monkeybash.mpg Anyone know if the game can be had for Linux PCs, or even Mac or Windows? It's for sale for iPhone & iPod Touch... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:54:39 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:54:39 +0000 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. How can > I tell from the CLI which video driver a system is using? Thanks. > # lsmod | grep [suspect] would be my first port of call, but I'm not sure how reliable that would be. The only boxes I've got running X are running NVidia proprietary drivers, for which I get: jup-linux2:/home/avi# lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia 8116592 20 i2c_core 27776 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 jup-linux2:/home/avi# -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 12:56:43 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:56:43 +0000 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C2410B.2090203@gmail.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, if IMAP has so many issues with Gmail servers, > why use IMAP at all? I personally use POP and have never had a problem > connecting to Gmail servers. > It doesn't happen *that* often, and I check my mail on several clients throughout the day. Also, if Thunderbird always worked, I'd never look at my work emails... -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:59:42 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:59:42 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23FEF.4080509@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23BA8.8070900@gmail.com> <49C23FEF.4080509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C241BE.3000409@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >>> Avi Greenbury wrote: >>> >>>> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from >>>>> imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel >>>>> explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. >>>>> >>>>> It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow >>>>> by some one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I do find myself wondering what makes you suspect it is someone from >>>> this list? My first thought, if you haven't changed anything locally, >>>> would be that it's an error at Google's end. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and >>> it seems to be fine. This is just such a strange problem. I changed my >>> password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect >>> to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >>> >> Are you getting an error message when you load up Thunderbird? Also, if >> you are using IMAP, you need to make sure that it is using port 993 with >> SSL. Also, are you able to send mail from Thunderbird? This would all >> be pertinent information that will allow us to help you better. >> >> -- >> Dirk Freitag >> Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] >> >> > Hi Dirk, you gave me the info I needed. For some reason my > Thunderbird had reverted to the old standard port and SSL was off. After > getting those back to the proper place it is working fine again. Thank > you very much. > > Karl > > No problem, Karl. Glad that your issue has been resolved. :) -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:06:28 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:06:28 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C24354.7070306@gmail.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Yes it could be a google error. But I did check the gmail setup and >> it seems to be fine. >> > > This rules out a configuration error at your end. It doesn't rule out > Google's IMAP server falling over. > Quite often my Thunderbird just doesn't get a response from Google's > IMAP servers. I just wait a bit and it starts working again. It always > affects both my Gmail accounts at the same time, and both tend to start > working again at the same time. > > > >> This is just such a strange problem. I changed my >> password to one very hard. But you use the thing EVERY time you connect >> to gmail and it is easy I expect to to get anyones password. >> > > It's certainly not impossible, but what makes you think someone's got > your password? > > I thought the problem was at Google. And that password I left simple since your system uses it so much. When this problem appeared I thought it was a change at Google. But it turns out it was a change in Thunderbird which for someone else to do that they need my Ubuntu password which is NOT simple. So I now think it was a normal problem the Thunderbird software. It just revered to old numbers. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:07:47 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:07:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C2410B.2090203@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> <49C2410B.2090203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C243A3.9090707@gmail.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > > >> Just out of curiosity, if IMAP has so many issues with Gmail servers, >> why use IMAP at all? I personally use POP and have never had a problem >> connecting to Gmail servers. >> > > It doesn't happen *that* often, and I check my mail on several clients > throughout the day. > > Also, if Thunderbird always worked, I'd never look at my work emails... > Oh ok. Thank you for the clarification. :) -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:38:49 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:38:49 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> Message-ID: <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >> Is there a documented case of this happening? Has any user ever >> complained that this situation has caused him dataloss? Seriously? Go >> dig up a mailing list archive, for any distro, that shows this >> phenomenon happening. > > Surely the fact this was discussed to death on the devel list means > someone somewhere most have done this, to trigger that discussion ? That really doesn't follow. Developers _are_ sometimes capable of recognizing potential human-computer interface issues. The only thing about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability issue has been "done to death" by the developers without once asking the opinion of this, the "users", list. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:36:04 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:36:04 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00903190334j7af83750j2a3157713e646ffb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5701550.eNv6WPX1xD@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> It is a GUI configurable option at least for KDE in Jaunty. Even if it >> wasn't configurable with the GUI there is still the option to modify >> xorg.conf. Therefore I can't really understand the outcry. >> > > The problem is that the xorg configuration needs to be in place before > there is a problem. When there is a problem, you cannot configure the > computer to respect C-A-B. > > Would you like a car analogy? This is like car manufacturers removing > airbags from cars, because buses don't have airbags. You are arguing > that the end user can install the airbags, but he must (1) know that > there are no airbags in the car, and (2) do it sometime before there > is a traffic accident. No he's not. It's far closer to the reverse. Short people, who have to sit very close to the steering wheel, may be at risk from an airbag, so the Ubuntu Sedan manufacturers have chosen to disable the airbag at point-of-sale; and you may enable it by pressing a switch. If it's so important to you, enable it automatically on every install you do. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:11:04 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:11:04 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> > That really doesn't follow.  Developers _are_ sometimes capable of > recognizing potential human-computer interface issues. The only thing about > it that annoys me is that once again, a usability issue has been "done to > death" by the developers without once asking the opinion of this, > the "users", list. That is because there are only two industries in which the consumers are called "users". In neither industry is the users' best interest the focus of development. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 19 13:08:55 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:08:55 -0600 Subject: Logging errors & messages from tty3 during installation In-Reply-To: <2757a8ab0903190424x709e91abia5391ab08c816baf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2757a8ab0903190424x709e91abia5391ab08c816baf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090319070855.216fae59@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:24:35 +0100 Andy Kannberg wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way to log the errors and messages from the virtual > consoles during installation ? > I'm trying to do some postinstall stuff during a preconfigured > installation. Some of these postinstalls have some errors and > generate some logging. But they fly too fast off the screen to read > them. So, if anyone can give me a hint how to catch em, I would be > helped alot ! > > cheers, > Andy The installation does write log files as it installs. The logs are kept in /var/log/ and /var/log/installer/ . You can read them as they are being written, or copy the to another computer to read them. Run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' from tty2, then you can scp the files from the directory to some other computer. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:12:26 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:12:26 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <5701550.eNv6WPX1xD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00903190334j7af83750j2a3157713e646ffb@mail.gmail.com> <5701550.eNv6WPX1xD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190612q4c35aab6jd643f8c80d7e9bc6@mail.gmail.com> > No he's not.  It's far closer to the reverse.  Short people, who have to sit > very close to the steering wheel, may be at risk from an airbag, so the > Ubuntu Sedan manufacturers have chosen to disable the airbag at > point-of-sale; and you may enable it by pressing a switch.  If it's so > important to you, enable it automatically on every install you do. And what becomes of tall people who crash, and did not know about the removal of said airbags? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From tom at rausner.dk Thu Mar 19 13:13:30 2009 From: tom at rausner.dk (Tom Rausner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:13:30 +0100 Subject: Digitizer pad under Ubuntu Message-ID: <1237468410.5981.12.camel@TomTech> Hi Geeks! I have been wanting to buy a digitizer pad for some time now, but I want it to work without problems under Ubuntu. Do any of you have some good experiences or some advice to offer ? -- Tom Rausner tom at tomtech.dk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- When a person thinks he's a monkey, it's called insanity. When a billion persons think they are monkies, it's called evolution... From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:45:53 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:45:53 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! References: Message-ID: <34399176.yDXYcQDbVY@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:09:40 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: >> Let's try and help people out without being snarky about it, and still >> save time and aggravation answering the same old questions over and over >> again. >> > > It may take more than your effort to stop some people from being snarky, > it has been my experience that some people come here (and to all lists and > forums) specifically to be snarky. ;-) Oh, no. I'm always snarky... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:44:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:44:20 -0300 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD References: Message-ID: <19984240.FrDUJnv1XE@cedar.serverforest.com> Bendon Bar wrote: > > Hello All, > > Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my > question is more stranger. As is the fact that you "replied" to a completely unrelated question. Please don't do that. > -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:49:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:49:33 -0300 Subject: xorg.conf question References: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I want to upgrade to the latest Ubuntu when its released, but I don't >> want to have to dork with the same-old display resolution issues all >> over again.  Can I take my existing xorg.conf file, save off a copy, >> install the new Ubuntu when its out and replace its xorg.conf with my >> own after I've installed the Nvidia drivers?  I read somewhere once >> that you can. >> > > The newer *buntus are using bulletproof X, which by default dos not > use xorg.conf. Not quite - it always uses xorg.conf, but by default there isn't much in there. > Supposedly, you can add your own lines to xorg.conf but > my experience with this has not been great. I have rarely managed to add anything new there with complete success the first time, but that's not what he's suggesting. If he has a working xorg.conf now, I would _absolutely_ recommend keeping a copy, installing his new release - and if X isn't working as desired, try reinstalling his own version. > > However, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Kubuntu 9.04 alpha > recognizes and configures my unusual widescreen resolutions. And chances are that sooner or later, he'll be pleasantly surprised to find the same. > So I > really don't need to edit xorg.conf in 9.04. I very much suggest that > you try the current alpha and see how it works on your system: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/ > > Don't forget to file a bug if it _doesn't_ work, so that it could be > fixed before release. Thanks. Ditto! -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:24:14 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:24:14 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C243A3.9090707@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C235AC.1010301@gmail.com> <49C2382F.6060805@gmail.com> <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> <49C2410B.2090203@gmail.com> <49C243A3.9090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C2477E.1090804@gmail.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Avi Greenbury wrote: > >> Dirk Freitag wrote: >> > >> >>> Just out of curiosity, if IMAP has so many issues with Gmail servers, >>> why use IMAP at all? I personally use POP and have never had a problem >>> connecting to Gmail servers. >>> >>> >> It doesn't happen *that* often, and I check my mail on several clients >> throughout the day. >> >> Also, if Thunderbird always worked, I'd never look at my work emails... >> >> > > Oh ok. Thank you for the clarification. :) > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > Also, the problem started with the imap system at Google. When I first found the problem it was on this computer. I checked with my lap-top and it had the SAME problem. This morning I checked the laptop and it's running fine too. So it is not a Thunderbird issue. I must have messed up Thunderbird trying to get things going. So score one for Google problems. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:27:55 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:27:55 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> It has only recently >> stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. > > Recently? IIRC it was there in Win 2000 and probably NT before that. OK, > once could argue that XP was the first "NT for the masses", but when was > that released, 2002? It's _never_ rebooted the system on Win2000 or NT. NT used ctrl-alt-delete to invoke the login screen, and called it a feature. You can certainly choose to reboot once it responds to ctrl-alt-delete, but it's not the Three-Finger Salute. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:25:50 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:25:50 -0300 Subject: [OT - CAB] Re: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <2545397.2EUdK2IeuQ@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/18/2009 01:10 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your >>> keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. >> >> As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a >> common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in >> corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) >> >> > > Sigh... > > If you boys are going to continue to argue about this, then you might > want to: 1) take it to Sounder, I don't see the need for argument, but I can certainly see why others do - and this IS an Ubuntu technical issue. It doesn't belong on sounder. -- derek From tabbox at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:35:26 2009 From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:35:26 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: <34399176.yDXYcQDbVY@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <34399176.yDXYcQDbVY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Good Job! Looks very good. tab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 19 13:38:59 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:38:59 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> It has only recently >>> stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. >> Recently? IIRC it was there in Win 2000 and probably NT before that. OK, >> once could argue that XP was the first "NT for the masses", but when was >> that released, 2002? > > It's _never_ rebooted the system on Win2000 or NT. NT used ctrl-alt-delete > to invoke the login screen, and called it a feature. You can certainly > choose to reboot once it responds to ctrl-alt-delete, but it's not the > Three-Finger Salute. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:36:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:36:34 +0200 Subject: xorg.conf question In-Reply-To: <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190636g79fd9728se9fbf85e174eab4@mail.gmail.com> >> The newer *buntus are using bulletproof X, which by default dos not >> use xorg.conf. > > Not quite - it always uses xorg.conf, but by default there isn't much in > there. > I meant that a new system has a blank xorg.conf. I should have worded more carefully. >> Supposedly, you can add your own lines to xorg.conf but >> my experience with this has not been great. > > I have rarely managed to add anything new there with complete success the > first time, but that's not what he's suggesting.  If he has a working > xorg.conf now, I would _absolutely_ recommend keeping a copy, installing > his new release - and if X isn't working as desired, try reinstalling his > own version. He should definitely keep a copy, but in my experience just dropping the old xorg.conf file did not solve an issue. Details are fuzzy as it was not recently, nor was it my own machine. >> However, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Kubuntu 9.04 alpha >> recognizes and configures my unusual widescreen resolutions. > > And chances are that sooner or later, he'll be pleasantly surprised to find > the same. > Yes, I am very impressed with the way things Just Work (tm) now! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:38:31 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:38:31 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190638nb7d2b39nafb0668b25203c0d@mail.gmail.com> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete > http://images.kaspersky.com/en/pictures/vlweblog/208187521.jpg -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:39:54 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:39:54 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190639y4729bd86na049cf071cbcdb59@mail.gmail.com> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete > Thanks, I added a line about Ubuntu as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:40:25 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:40:25 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <49C155EA.1000506@chrononomicon.com> <1237408175.13857.82.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <3752409.WaYEnM2vlE@cedar.serverforest.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Just for the records: > I meant "Save people's life" in the context of saving someones digital > like, i.e. saving her data from being corrupted. Sure, but it's hyperbole like that that gets people so excited... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:24:41 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:24:41 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <200903182207.17350.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1237413317.4758.6.camel@chronic> <49C1B000.7050809@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1787872.onCL9z2SR7@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> >> If C.A.D. can have a pop up then why can't C.A.B????? This would seem >> to end all the discussion. Also if X is not working then you don't see >> the pop up but the code should be able to tell if X is dead or not. >> Perhaps hitting it 2 times would force it when all is dead? > > Probably because > A) I think CAB is intercepted by Linux, not X. > B) If the code is in a hung/stuck/fubar state, it *can't* reliably tell > you jack with a popup or prompt. That was kind of the point. Yes, but the "negative" option - of restarting your X server _unless_ you respond to a prompt is possible. If it's actually intercepted by Linux rather than X, start a timer, dispatch a signal to X, X displays a prompt (if it can), if user responds: restart is cancelled; else restart X. That's exactly what X does when you try to change your graphics settings. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 12:43:30 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:43:30 -0300 Subject: How I can know when a deamond is activated? References: Message-ID: <1717941.t1JTh58AOi@cedar.serverforest.com> Julio Argota wrote: > How I can know when a deamond is activated?. A "daemon", perhaps? > Example if a USB memory is > inserted ubuntu, more specific usbfs deamon, automount the memory and open > a nautylus windows. How I can performance a task when it happend. I have a > bash script whit the actions that I to do, but I don't know where to place > this. I think you don't care about any daemons - you just want to know when hal recognizes your system has a new device attached. For that you want to see "udev", and /etc/udev/rules.d/. Create a rule in rules.d that runs a script when it sees a particular device. -- derek From dcurtis at uniserve.com Thu Mar 19 13:51:37 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:51:37 -0400 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090319095137.65410517.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:54:39 +0000 Avi Greenbury wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. How can > > I tell from the CLI which video driver a system is using? Thanks. > > > > # lsmod | grep [suspect] > > would be my first port of call, but I'm not sure how reliable that would > be. The only boxes I've got running X are running NVidia proprietary > drivers, for which I get: > > jup-linux2:/home/avi# lsmod | grep nvidia > nvidia 8116592 20 > i2c_core 27776 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 > jup-linux2:/home/avi# > > After you've figured out what card you have, you can double check the driver with 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep LoadModule' to see what modules get loaded by X at startup. The 'driver' is one of them. If you can't see it, post the output of that command here on the list. Dave From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Mar 19 13:53:31 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:53:31 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: >> That really doesn't follow. Developers _are_ sometimes capable of >> recognizing potential human-computer interface issues. The only thing about >> it that annoys me is that once again, a usability issue has been "done to >> death" by the developers without once asking the opinion of this, >> the "users", list. > > That is because there are only two industries in which the consumers > are called "users". In neither industry is the users' best interest > the focus of development. > Please forgive my ignorance. Which is the other? Eberhard From ubuntu at swhi.net Thu Mar 19 14:07:37 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:07:37 -0400 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C251A9.70909@swhi.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Here, let your comments be known: > > Ubuntu needs a command to restart X > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344818 > Dotan, thank you for filing the bug. I've left a comment in support. -Ray From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:12:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:12:37 +0200 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <20090319095137.65410517.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> <20090319095137.65410517.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190712i72b842ebo298e7de2da1fdf87@mail.gmail.com> > > After you've figured out what card you have, you can double > check the driver with 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep LoadModule' > to see what modules get loaded by X at startup. The 'driver' is > one of them.  If you can't see it, post the output of that command > here on the list. > Thanks, it appears to be "radeon": $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep LoadModule [ 0.047283] (II) LoadModule: "extmod" [ 0.047957] (II) LoadModule: "dbe" [ 0.048327] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 0.048800] (II) LoadModule: "record" [ 0.049177] (II) LoadModule: "dri" [ 0.049656] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 0.050793] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" [ 0.109050] (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" [ 0.109445] (II) LoadModule: "int10" [ 0.115096] (II) LoadModule: "ddc" [ 0.115130] (II) LoadModule: "i2c" [ 0.523519] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [ 0.523830] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" [ 0.523869] (II) LoadModule: "exa" [ 2.651816] (II) LoadModule: "evdev" [ 2.856838] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" That's the FOSS one, right? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Thu Mar 19 14:30:58 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:30:58 -0400 Subject: Status of ATI video on Ubuntu Message-ID: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> A quick question for the community. What is the status of Open Source ATI drivers in Ubuntu? I don't really care at all about 3D acceleration in Linux, but care a great deal about video playback. In particular, the Vsync must be working (so there is no tearing in the playback) and scaling must be smooth (I know some ati drivers had issues with upscaled (fullscreen) videos being all blocky, like playing a DVD on HDTV without a decent upscaller.) Is this all working now or am I still beholden to Nvidia for my preferences? From dcurtis at uniserve.com Thu Mar 19 14:45:16 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:45:16 -0400 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190712i72b842ebo298e7de2da1fdf87@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> <20090319095137.65410517.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903190712i72b842ebo298e7de2da1fdf87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090319104516.ca16d572.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:12:37 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > > After you've figured out what card you have, you can double > > check the driver with 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep LoadModule' > > to see what modules get loaded by X at startup. The 'driver' is > > one of them.  If you can't see it, post the output of that command > > here on the list. > > > > Thanks, it appears to be "radeon": > > $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep LoadModule > [ 0.047283] (II) LoadModule: "extmod" > [ 0.047957] (II) LoadModule: "dbe" > [ 0.048327] (II) LoadModule: "glx" > [ 0.048800] (II) LoadModule: "record" > [ 0.049177] (II) LoadModule: "dri" > [ 0.049656] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" > [ 0.050793] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" > [ 0.109050] (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" > [ 0.109445] (II) LoadModule: "int10" > [ 0.115096] (II) LoadModule: "ddc" > [ 0.115130] (II) LoadModule: "i2c" > [ 0.523519] (II) LoadModule: "fb" > [ 0.523830] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" > [ 0.523869] (II) LoadModule: "exa" > [ 2.651816] (II) LoadModule: "evdev" > [ 2.856838] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" > > That's the FOSS one, right? I believe so, the proprietary driver is called 'fglrx'. Although I've never touched an ATI card in my life. -- David Curtis From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Thu Mar 19 14:46:04 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:46:04 -0400 Subject: Status of ATI video on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> References: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <49C25AAC.2050604@ercbroadband.org> Rashkae wrote: > A quick question for the community. > > What is the status of Open Source ATI drivers in Ubuntu? I don't really > care at all about 3D acceleration in Linux, but care a great deal about > video playback. In particular, the Vsync must be working (so there is > no tearing in the playback) and scaling must be smooth (I know some ati > drivers had issues with upscaled (fullscreen) videos being all blocky, > like playing a DVD on HDTV without a decent upscaller.) > > Is this all working now or am I still beholden to Nvidia for my > preferences? > I do a lot of video playback on my laptop with the radeon driver and I don't see any trouble at all. From DVD as well as other video codecs. They all look great and I have no problems with blockiness, etc. (Personally, I wouldn't touch NVidia cards or drivers ever again.) -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:47:14 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:47:14 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903190747u7087fc72o105a9fa47c8a2072@mail.gmail.com> >> That is because there are only two industries in which the consumers >> are called "users". In neither industry is the users' best interest >> the focus of development. >> > > Please forgive my ignorance. Which is the other? > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User Which will take you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_use -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:48:33 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:48:33 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C251A9.70909@swhi.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317141706.3e8f86dc@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090318001853.41d38349@WizardsTower> <20090318020056.f7df50c1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090318081348.06a59ea9@WizardsTower> <49C0F53E.5070200@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903180643hbd359d1ra2f61a1d82b3060d@mail.gmail.com> <49C251A9.70909@swhi.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903190748v425cbc2fhee6b3678a675cab1@mail.gmail.com> >> Here, let your comments be known: >> >> Ubuntu needs a command to restart X >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344818 >> > Dotan, thank you for filing the bug.  I've left a comment in support. > Great! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 14:50:44 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:50:44 -0400 Subject: Monitor Mode on Broadcom Message-ID: <49C25BC4.2050605@gmail.com> Hey everyone. I was curious if maybe someone could help me with my broadcom card. I am trying to enable monitor mode to use with kismet, but whenever I try to start kismet I get an error saying that monitor mode could not be enabled. Here is my card as in lspci: 05:00.0 "Network controller" "Broadcom Corporation" "BCM4312 802.11b/g" -r01 "Broadcom Corporation" "Device 04b5" I was curious if there was some way I could force it into monitor mode. Thanks. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From overflow_ at libero.it Thu Mar 19 15:08:38 2009 From: overflow_ at libero.it (overflow_) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install kernel 2.6.11.12 in Ubuntu Message-ID: <22601375.post@talk.nabble.com> hello to everybody I have compiled the kernel 2.6.11.12 downoaded from kernel.org. I have already added the patch patch http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/linux-2.6-seg-5.patch then I compiled right [quote] make-kpkg clean fakeroot make-kpkg -initrd --append-to-version=-2.6.11.12-di-enrico kernel_image kernel_headers [/quote] And I got the .dev files (image and header) Then I have tried to install them [quote] dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18.1-custom_2.6.18.1-custom-10.00.Custom_i386.deb [/quote] but I get this error [quote] root at enrico-desktop:/usr/src/untitled folder# dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (Reading database ... 120290 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico 2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom (using linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb) ... Could not find mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 238, line 9. Done. Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico ... Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done Setting up linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico (2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom) ... Running depmod. Finding valid ramdisk creators. Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico on running kernel 2.6.27-7-generic in mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico [/quote] Is there someone that have an idea of what I wrong?? do I have to install mkinitrd? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Install-kernel-2.6.11.12-in-Ubuntu-tp22601375p22601375.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 15:39:41 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:39:41 -0400 Subject: Mailing List Archive Search Message-ID: > You may want to consider putting a form for archive search up, to make it > a bit easier for newbies. {snipped code suggestion} > If you do this, I'd suggest you also give a brief hint about how to choose > effective keywords. That's a great idea. Of course it is a wiki - you could do it too :-) I can add the search links, I don't have any thoughts really about keyword advise. I took my own advise and searched the mailing list archives looking for info on the best way to search the mailing list archives. (recursion - in real life - how cool is that?) I came up with three options: * Google using the site: keyword - http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lists.ubuntu.com * Gmane http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user * Nabble - which I couldn't get anything useful out of (PEBKAC?) Are there any other suggestions before I update the article? Brian From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 15:43:29 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:43:29 +0000 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190712i72b842ebo298e7de2da1fdf87@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <49C2408F.8000107@gmail.com> <20090319095137.65410517.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903190712i72b842ebo298e7de2da1fdf87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C26821.4070501@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thanks, it appears to be "radeon": > ... > That's the FOSS one, right? > Yes. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 15:44:17 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:44:17 -0400 Subject: A application/x-ms-dos-executable decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Thufir wrote: > thufir at arrakis:~$ totem foo.avi.scr Is that the actual file name? Beware! I thought .scr files where Windows Screen Saver files - and often used to transmit malware. See how it's filename.avi.scr so it kinda looks like a movie? Brian From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 16:06:02 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> Message-ID: <934920.40047.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > From: Christopher Rob JONES > Subject: Re: Restarting Xserver from cli > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 2:44 AM > Hi, > > > Is there a documented case of this happening? Has any > user ever > > complained that this situation has caused him > dataloss? Seriously? Go > > dig up a mailing list archive, for any distro, that > shows this > > phenomenon happening. > > Surely the fact this was discussed to death on the devel > list means > someone somewhere most have done this, to trigger that > discussion ? > After reading most of this thread, I must add my $.02. I doubt very much that many, if any, have lost data from using cntrl-alt-backspace whether or not they closed any open programs as I've don so many times never losing any data. Certainly, not enough data loss would have occurred to warrant disabling the automatic feature, cntrl-alt-backspace. I agree that the newbie should be allowed to learn what he needs to by suffering the consequences and using the list to ask questions if afraid to explore. I also think that any normal person, newbie or not, knows better to go exploring with something he doesn't know the consequences of and if not let his data be lost to him. I think the developers, or whatever, erred in this case. The shortcut is quick and easy way to restart X and should remain an automatic feature, IMNSHO. So, why doesn't someone just summarize all that has been said on this thread in bullet format and let it end there. No, thanks, I decline the honor and didn't start the flame. But it could go on for a lot longer. FWIW, not much I guess. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu Thu Mar 19 16:27:52 2009 From: tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu (tomas alberto ramirez andujar) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:27:52 -0400 Subject: dell inspiron 1720 Message-ID: <1237480072.13815.11.camel@xerox> Hi, I could use some help in hardware configuration and detection. My webcam only works with ekiga and the wireless card and bluetooth don't seem to be working. Thanks Tommie From stephen_o at rogers.com Thu Mar 19 17:43:02 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:43:02 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit modem problems. In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903172348ke9f504cj6a10d7e5c64f6305@mail.gmail.com> References: <724638.88449.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49C01413.50303@rogers.com> <359a3c580903172348ke9f504cj6a10d7e5c64f6305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C28426.1050101@rogers.com> David Fox wrote: > 2009/3/17 Stephen : > > >> Thanks again Leonard. I am greatful for the information. Since I only have 2 >> gigs of ram I was considering installing the 32bit version. I just thought >> if I want to upgrade my memory it would already be installed. >> > > One question you might want to ask yourself is whether your current > machine can have its memory expanded, and by how much. If 2 gigs are > the maximum RAM your box can hold (or if it is not practical to > upgrade, because you have to tear out the existing RAM chips and > install higher-capacity ones) then you might as well stick to a 32 bit > install, but otherwise, install 64 bit, because you can grow into it. > It would be easier IMHO to add more RAM than to reinstall 64 bit from > a 32 bit system when it came to add more RAM. > > You misunderstood I did install the 64bit version I have one stick that is 2gigs and an open slot for more memory. I just wish I had have installed the 32bit version. Which slamr(kernal) would have worked with. Thanks again; Stephen Oulton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From overflow_ at libero.it Thu Mar 19 16:46:52 2009 From: overflow_ at libero.it (overflow_) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install kernel 2.6.11.12 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <22601375.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22601375.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <22604122.post@talk.nabble.com> I have downloaded yaird, because I didn't find mkinitrd for Ubuntu now I don't have this error anymore Could not find mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 238, line 9. but I have this one ----------------------------------------------- root at enrico-desktop:/usr/src/untitled folder# dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (Reading database ... 120568 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico 2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom (using linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb) ... Done. Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico ... Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done Setting up linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico (2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom) ... Running depmod. Finding valid ramdisk creators. Using mkinitrd.yaird to build the ramdisk. yaird error: bad device link in /sys/block/sda (fatal) mkinitrd.yaird failed to create initrd image. Failed to create initrd image. dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico ----------------------------------------------- ..in particular yaird error: bad device link in /sys/block/sda (fatal) How could I fix it? Thanks, Enrico overflow_ wrote: > > hello to everybody > > I have compiled the kernel 2.6.11.12 downoaded from kernel.org. > I have already added the patch patch > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/linux-2.6-seg-5.patch > then I compiled right > [quote] > make-kpkg clean > fakeroot make-kpkg -initrd --append-to-version=-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > kernel_image kernel_headers > [/quote] > > And I got the .dev files (image and header) > > Then I have tried to install them > [quote] > dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18.1-custom_2.6.18.1-custom-10.00.Custom_i386.deb > [/quote] > > but I get this error > [quote] > root at enrico-desktop:/usr/src/untitled folder# dpkg -i > linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb > (Reading database ... 120290 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > 2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom (using > linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico_2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom_i386.deb) > ... > Could not find mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst > line 238, line 9. > Done. > Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico ... > Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. > Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub > Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default > Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst > Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... > Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic > Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin > Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done > > Setting up linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > (2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico-10.00.Custom) ... > Running depmod. > Finding valid ramdisk creators. > Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version > 2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico on running kernel 2.6.27-7-generic in > mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird > dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > (--install): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 > Errors were encountered while processing: > linux-image-2.6.11.12-2.6.11.12-di-enrico > [/quote] > > Is there someone that have an idea of what I wrong?? > do I have to install mkinitrd? > > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Install-kernel-2.6.11.12-in-Ubuntu-tp22601375p22604122.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 16:48:39 2009 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:48:39 -0700 Subject: removing ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200903161252.29173.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> <49BF0BDC.4060609@earthlink.net> <49BF5FDB.2000607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C27767.7090705@earthlink.net> Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> John Heinen wrote: >> > > .............snip............. > > >>> /isn't there any other way? I have wndows xp, ubuntu, linux mint and >>> puppy linux, I would like to clear the drive too but keep windows and >>> puppy linux on there because puppy with "find files" has been able to >>> find plenty files after a crash and even after reinstalling xp/ >>> >>> >>> >> Look John, I assume your grown up. If your happy with windows 98 >> and it is working, just leave the Linux alone and use your windows! Stop >> all this waste of words on this list. >> > > The guy has a legitimate reason for his request. Get off his bapp p | p | p Pride, prudence and patience. It seems to me that the majority of the participant in the Linux field are highly educated. and have endless patience in their endeavor of educating and resolving soft- and hardware problems. That is wonderful. Continuing education including for the ignorant and new bee's, might secure such endeavors. J.H. From stephen_o at rogers.com Thu Mar 19 18:44:58 2009 From: stephen_o at rogers.com (Stephen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:44:58 -0500 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C292AA.7080306@rogers.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Chris G wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 06:49:21PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote: >> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ernst Doubt wrote: >>> >>> 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : >>> > I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today >>> someone >>> > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know >>> how >>> > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. >>> > >>> > Karl >>> > >>> >>> /me waves hand >>> >>> I did it! >>> >>> (sorry, I just couldn't resist) >>> >>> Well you could but you didn't so we all get to see what an ass YOU are. >>> >>> >>> >> I think there was an underlying message you have missed. Without any >> clue as to what is wrong with IMAP on your system there is very little >> we can do to help you. >> >> If you mean that following some advice given to you by someone on >> this list about IMAP has broken something then please tell us what you >> did and what has gone wrong. Then we might be able to help. >> >> >> >> > Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from > imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel > explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. > > It has been working fine for months so it is a change made somehow > by some one. > > Karl > > > I had the same problem with one of the groups I was getting with lots of pictures in it. One of the email messages on the server was corrupt, and Thunderbird kept giving me that message. I went online and deleted all my messages from the server and then Thunderbird stared to receive all the messages OK. Stephen Oulton. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, click on Personal (for instance), select Properties, click the color - note the color that you had (write it down), change to white (or almost white), print, change the color back if you wish. > Secondly, if I add detail to these appointments which I'd like to see > printed on the calendar, in the weekly view, the words print atop > themselves - not wrapping to a next line before the next appointment time. > In other words, anything more than a word or two in an appointment slot > causes garbled printing in the weekly view. If you can figure this one out you'll make a lot of people happy. I can't print a monthly calendar as the top right portion showing the month dates are so large and skewed that they print over each other. I'd probably use Evolution's calendar functions (rather than Mozilla Lightning) if Evolution's printing abilities didn't just plain suck. > > I am currently RTFM, but can find no mention of these conditions. The manual is... anyway, bookmark http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ as it will come in handy. > > Any help would be appreciated, as I like to print these weekly views of > appointment times and details, for hard copy sake. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 18:41:03 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:41:03 -0600 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C292AA.7080306@rogers.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C292AA.7080306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49C291BF.70105@gmail.com> Stephen wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> Chris G wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 06:49:21PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ernst Doubt >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> 2009/3/18 Karl Larsen : >>>> > I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but >>>> today >>>> someone >>>> > from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do >>>> not know >>>> how >>>> > they did it and I can't seem to fix it. >>>> > >>>> > Karl >>>> > >>>> >>>> /me waves hand >>>> >>>> I did it! >>>> >>>> (sorry, I just couldn't resist) >>>> >>>> Well you could but you didn't so we all get to see what an ass YOU >>>> are. >>>> >>>> >>> I think there was an underlying message you have missed. Without any >>> clue as to what is wrong with IMAP on your system there is very little >>> we can do to help you. >>> >>> If you mean that following some advice given to you by someone on >>> this list about IMAP has broken something then please tell us what you >>> did and what has gone wrong. Then we might be able to help. >>> >>> >>> >> Well what is happening is Thunderbird can not get anything from >> imap. It tries and after a few minutes Thunderbird puts up a panel >> explaining it cannot load a message from gmail. >> >> It has been working fine for months so it is a change made >> somehow by some one. >> >> Karl >> >> >> > I had the same problem with one of the groups I was getting with lots > of pictures in it. One of the email messages on the server was > corrupt, and Thunderbird kept giving me that message. I went online > and deleted all my messages from the server and then Thunderbird > stared to receive all the messages OK. > > Stephen Oulton. > > Well my problem, after the fact was that imap died on Google Gmail around noon yesterday. I kept getting long delays and then a panel saying cannot reach imap. As a stupid ass I went looking for what I did wrong. I screwed up Thunderbird and it helped nothing. I wound up reading mail on the Gmail mail server. Not bad but sure not as nice as imap. This morning I got help that made this Thunderbird set up properly and after a couple of password setup's it started to work again like it had never stopped. It was shocking to me :-) Now I will relax the next time imap dies and just wait until a Google person notices and fixes the problem. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 18:52:24 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:52:24 -0700 Subject: [OT - CAB] Re: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <2545397.2EUdK2IeuQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <2545397.2EUdK2IeuQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 03/19/2009 05:25 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> On 03/18/2009 01:10 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: >>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your >>>> keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. >>> >>> As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a >>> common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in >>> corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) >>> >>> >> >> Sigh... >> >> If you boys are going to continue to argue about this, then you might >> want to: 1) take it to Sounder, > > I don't see the need for argument, but I can certainly see why others do - > and this IS an Ubuntu technical issue. It doesn't belong on sounder. OK... I sit corrected regarding Sounder :-) From rev.olson at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 18:54:40 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:54:40 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200903191154.45745.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 March 2009 5:10:39 am madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a > lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would > have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS > Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there > are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are > compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? There's QCad that you might look at but it likely less than you are looking for. And of course this way http://architectafrica.com/bin0/news200411111_wine.html Also you may want to take a look at http://www.cycas.de/produkt.php?s=en#top as they have gone to also supporting modern computers! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:00:44 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:00:44 +0200 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <880dece00903191200u64dc20adp1ffb08dae53fecec@mail.gmail.com> > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? Please write to Graphisoft and let them know that there is demand for ArchiCAD on Linux. Lots of these companies are contemplating Linux products but if we do not display an interest then they certainly will never write the software. Here is their contact page: http://www.graphisoft.com/contact/ Let us know what you wrote, and let us know what their response was. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From vpadro at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:05:17 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:05:17 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: References: <34399176.yDXYcQDbVY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/19 Tab Gilbert > Good Job! Looks very good. > > tab > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > I send that. You cool dude! :) -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:52:47 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:52:47 -0300 Subject: Monitor Mode on Broadcom References: <49C25BC4.2050605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <247503308.0UuX5AHiHz@cedar.serverforest.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Hey everyone. I was curious if maybe someone could help me with my > broadcom card. I am trying to enable monitor mode to use with kismet, > but whenever I try to start kismet I get an error saying that monitor > mode could not be enabled. Here is my card as in lspci: > > 05:00.0 "Network controller" "Broadcom Corporation" "BCM4312 802.11b/g" > -r01 "Broadcom Corporation" "Device 04b5" > > I was curious if there was some way I could force it into monitor mode. iirc, not all cards are actually _capable_ of monitor mode. Whether this would be one of them, I don't know. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:43:06 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:43:06 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1518385.OX6r3lEcgW@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> That really doesn't follow.  Developers _are_ sometimes capable of >> recognizing potential human-computer interface issues. The only thing >> about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability issue has been >> "done to death" by the developers without once asking the opinion of >> this, the "users", list. > > That is because there are only two industries in which the consumers > are called "users". In neither industry is the users' best interest > the focus of development. That's not it. In the first place - we're not consumers, we're users. We don't "consume" the product. There are many "industries" where the customers are users, but _they_ usually call them "clients", which imo is much worse. But in the computer industry, there _are_ developers who put the users' interests first, but they're few and far between, and I'm really disappointed in the apparent fact that Ubuntu is no longer one of them. This particular issue is relatively unimportant, but I just can't fathom the fact that it was apparently considered _extremely_ important on the developers' list, and yet nobody thought of asking users. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:46:39 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:46:39 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C24AF3.7030502@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <13909927.qfDtlBWPdt@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Mario Vukelic wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> It has only recently >>>> stopped doing things so drastic on Windows. >>> Recently? IIRC it was there in Win 2000 and probably NT before that. OK, >>> once could argue that XP was the first "NT for the masses", but when was >>> that released, 2002? >> >> It's _never_ rebooted the system on Win2000 or NT. NT used >> ctrl-alt-delete >> to invoke the login screen, and called it a feature. You can certainly >> choose to reboot once it responds to ctrl-alt-delete, but it's not the >> Three-Finger Salute. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete There you go - and Win95 did fix it, which is the only thing I wasn't sure about. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:43:44 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:43:44 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903190813.25664.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00903190334j7af83750j2a3157713e646ffb@mail.gmail.com> <5701550.eNv6WPX1xD@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190612q4c35aab6jd643f8c80d7e9bc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26907481.vVM6BP5llJ@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> No he's not.  It's far closer to the reverse.  Short people, who have to >> sit very close to the steering wheel, may be at risk from an airbag, so >> the Ubuntu Sedan manufacturers have chosen to disable the airbag at >> point-of-sale; and you may enable it by pressing a switch.  If it's so >> important to you, enable it automatically on every install you do. > > And what becomes of tall people who crash, and did not know about the > removal of said airbags? Hey, I didn't say it was a good idea - just that you had your example backwards :-) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:51:23 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:51:23 -0300 Subject: xorg.conf question References: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190636g79fd9728se9fbf85e174eab4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1525820.1f2IhuJ0fN@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> The newer *buntus are using bulletproof X, which by default dos not >>> use xorg.conf. >> >> Not quite - it always uses xorg.conf, but by default there isn't much in >> there. >> > > I meant that a new system has a blank xorg.conf. I should have worded > more carefully. That's why I said "not quite" - I could see where you were heading... >> >> I have rarely managed to add anything new there with complete success the >> first time, but that's not what he's suggesting.  If he has a working >> xorg.conf now, I would _absolutely_ recommend keeping a copy, installing >> his new release - and if X isn't working as desired, try reinstalling his >> own version. > > He should definitely keep a copy, but in my experience just dropping > the old xorg.conf file did not solve an issue. Details are fuzzy as it > was not recently, nor was it my own machine. You're right - it doesn't always work. I had, on gutsy, a dual-screen setup that worked fine, upgraded to Hardy and got an auto-configured Xorg.conf that didn't work, dropped in the old one, and it didn't _quite_ work either - there was still some playing around to make it work properly. Then I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10, and dual-screens became completely impossible... Using your previously working xorg.conf is ime usually a better starting point when the auto-configuration doesn't work at all, but it's certainly not guaranteed. -- derek From vpadro at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:22:20 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:22:20 -0600 Subject: dell inspiron 1720 In-Reply-To: <1237480072.13815.11.camel@xerox> References: <1237480072.13815.11.camel@xerox> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, tomas alberto ramirez andujar < tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu> wrote: > Hi, > > I could use some help in hardware configuration and detection. > My webcam only works with ekiga and the wireless card and bluetooth > don't seem to be working. > > Thanks > Tommie > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > What version of Ubuntu are you using? Install cheese(if not already installed) and test your webcam. What is your hardware specs? Please provide us with your lsmod and lspci results, use the console for that. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:23:27 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:23:27 +0100 Subject: Switch off USB CDROM drive for power saving Message-ID: <930ea9d10903191223h52360e0ajae7a043100687400@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have an integrated USB CDROM drive on my laptop. When running Windows, there is this utility that would switch the drive off when it is not used (that is very often) to save battery. How could I do the same when running Ubuntu? Thanks, Vincent From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 19 18:47:04 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:47:04 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190611x49353c0oef048d9c2db897cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10317967.aLGzPbEDDu@cedar.serverforest.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> That really doesn't follow. Developers _are_ sometimes capable of >>> recognizing potential human-computer interface issues. The only thing >>> about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability issue has been >>> "done to death" by the developers without once asking the opinion of >>> this, the "users", list. >> >> That is because there are only two industries in which the consumers >> are called "users". In neither industry is the users' best interest >> the focus of development. >> > > Please forgive my ignorance. Which is the other? I'm sure he means illicit drugs... -- derek From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:26:13 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:26:13 +0100 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903191226y52bdffc6le94a201ecf1a29f2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 20:11, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Hello the list, > As the title says, I have in issue with the brightness applet in gnome > (the slider that lets you modify the screen brightness) on my 8.10 > laptop. In KDE it works fine. In Gnome, when I move the slider, the > desktop will hang for a few minutes (5 to 10 minutes) and (very slow) > step by (very slow) step reach the brightness level I set. How can I > fix or at least where should I look to debug that behavior? > > Thanks, > Vincent OK, so I guess no one can give me a hint on this issue? Not even where to look for log files? When starting the applet from a terminal, I get no output. Thanks, Vincent From juliosergio at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 19:32:10 2009 From: juliosergio at gmail.com (JulioSergio) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems with vncserver / vncviewer In-Reply-To: <22586421.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> <22586421.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <22607760.post@talk.nabble.com> Maybe this has not been the right Forum to post my question. Could anyone redirectme to the right one? Thanks Sergio. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-vncserver---vncviewer-tp22584604p22607760.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From thezorch at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 20:01:53 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:01:53 -0400 Subject: xorg.conf question In-Reply-To: <1525820.1f2IhuJ0fN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190636g79fd9728se9fbf85e174eab4@mail.gmail.com> <1525820.1f2IhuJ0fN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all of the useful advice. I've been concerned because I have an unusual monitor. Its a Sun Microsystems display with a proprietary video cable (its HUGE) and a port for a VGA cable which what I'm using right now. It was a freebie I got via Craigslist, a nice big 21 inch CRT. All I had to do was get the VGA monitor extender cable to make it work with my machine. Windows Vista DOES NOT like it either, whenever I connected my laptop to it the display kept turning off and on and Windows made the device connect and disconnect sounds every time. I blame the problem more on Vista's Windows Content Protection crap than the drivers which I updated but the problem didn't go away. Oh well, this machine here will always be a Linux box. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 19 20:37:11 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:37:11 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> Brian McKee wrote: > Check it out! > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs > > Amazing how much work that turned out to be :-( Thank you! It looks like a great start, and well-integrated with the rest of the wiki. I look forward to contributing. > PS I'd especially like to see a 'server vs desktop' FAQ up there, but > wasn't comfortable writing it myself right now. Anyone??? What exactly would this focus on? Matt Flaschen From hs.samix at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 20:43:51 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:43:51 -0400 Subject: xorg.conf question In-Reply-To: <1525820.1f2IhuJ0fN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903190343l1501af24ha0c16be49d6452e2@mail.gmail.com> <3708037.amkslbUjnR@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903190636g79fd9728se9fbf85e174eab4@mail.gmail.com> <1525820.1f2IhuJ0fN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>> The newer *buntus are using bulletproof X, which by default dos not >>>> use xorg.conf. >>> Not quite - it always uses xorg.conf, but by default there isn't much in >>> there. >>> >> I meant that a new system has a blank xorg.conf. I should have worded >> more carefully. > > That's why I said "not quite" - I could see where you were heading... I have noticed that if I remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, a default xorg.conf is used. That is what I think people mean that Ubuntu does not use xorg.conf. It is true if one is thinking about /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifically (*that* file doesn't need to to exists, so is not being used), not true if on is thinking about the graphics on the display (*some* xorg configuration must be used). To get better a insight, try the following experiment: 1) With /etc/X11/xorg.conf, reboot the machine and check what you get in /var/log/Xorg.0.log 2) Next, rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something else (to keep a backup) so that there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore, and reboot the machine. Check the xorg log again. In the first case, one should find something like this in the logs: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and in the second case on should find a corresponding line in the log file stating that the default log file is being used. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 20:57:19 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:57:19 -0300 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C291BF.70105@gmail.com> References: <20090319091124.GF12661@v-shell-1> <49C23473.6050004@gmail.com> <49C292AA.7080306@rogers.com> <49C291BF.70105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    Well my problem, after the fact was that imap died on Google Gmail > around noon yesterday. I kept getting long delays and then a panel > saying cannot reach imap. As a stupid ass I went looking for what I did > wrong. > >    I screwed up Thunderbird and it helped nothing. I wound up reading > mail on the Gmail mail server. Not bad but sure not as nice as imap. > This morning I got help that made this Thunderbird set up properly and > after a couple of password setup's it started to work again like it had > never stopped. It was shocking to me :-) > >    Now I will relax the next time imap dies and just wait until a > Google person notices and fixes the problem. > > Karl I'm glad your system is running fine, now I guess it's time to show some regret about: "I have been using imap to my Thunderbird for some time but today someone from this list has helped me out by ruining imap for me. I do not know how they did it and I can't seem to fix it. Karl" -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From unreal.linux at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 20:59:45 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:59:45 -0400 Subject: Monitor Mode on Broadcom In-Reply-To: <247503308.0UuX5AHiHz@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C25BC4.2050605@gmail.com> <247503308.0UuX5AHiHz@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C2B241.6000802@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> Hey everyone. I was curious if maybe someone could help me with my >> broadcom card. I am trying to enable monitor mode to use with kismet, >> but whenever I try to start kismet I get an error saying that monitor >> mode could not be enabled. Here is my card as in lspci: >> >> 05:00.0 "Network controller" "Broadcom Corporation" "BCM4312 802.11b/g" >> -r01 "Broadcom Corporation" "Device 04b5" >> >> I was curious if there was some way I could force it into monitor mode. > > iirc, not all cards are actually _capable_ of monitor mode. Whether this > would be one of them, I don't know. Yea. The thing is, that if I remember correctly, I have the same exact card in my old Gateway notebook, which was capable of monitor mode. I will double check what broadcom card is actually in my Gateway later tonight. Is it possible for broadcom to set limits on a card depending on the type of laptop it is going into? -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 21:01:06 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:01:06 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> References: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: (Sorry for the "me too") Fantastic. Congratulations. Already bookmarked it. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 21:13:09 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:13:09 -0700 Subject: 3rd Generation iPod Nano write support? In-Reply-To: <20090319014935.GA5135@honey.resultsbydesign.com> References: <20090313174214.GA3503@hank.org> <49BBEADA.7070408@cmc.net> <20090314211736.GP15110@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090317225627.GP8898@honey.resultsbydesign.com> <20090319014935.GA5135@honey.resultsbydesign.com> Message-ID: On 03/18/2009 06:49 PM, Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 07:42:44PM -0700, NoOp wrote: >> >> Again I don't have one, have you tried gtkpod-aac? Note: I'm not just >> throwing out links (:-) as I'm interested as well; my son dualboots to >> WinXP when he uses his ipod so I'm interested learning how to help him >> use his ipod with Ubuntu. > > I haven't tried gtkpod-aac. gtkpod, yes, and rely on it for actually > managing the music on the ipod itself. Seems to work well. The only > issue I have is that the album art seems to be a problem. It gets > lost, which is not a big deal to me, but certainly a shortcoming. Last > I looked it was a known issue, but they were not in a hurry to > improve it. Anyway, just installed gtkpod-aac and will look at it next > time I hook the ipod up. I listen to what I have, but don't do a lot > of futzing around with it. Most of what I have on it, are CD's that I > ripped with rhythmbox, then moved on to the ipod with gtkpod. I > suspect that there is a way to do this with one application, but I > like both those, and they both have their strong suits. [snips good info] Thanks for the info Hal. I doubt that I'll ever get my son to 'loan' me his ipod to 'experiment' with... Images of Charleton Heston & "pry this from my cold, dead hands' comes to mind". So I'll archive the info until I get around to buying a used one :-) From tabbox at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 21:21:50 2009 From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:21:50 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: References: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 16:01, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > (Sorry for the "me too") > > Fantastic. Congratulations. Already bookmarked it. > > I think a "me too" is almost called for. Amazing progress from a post the other day to a professional looking product. tab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 21:40:21 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0400 Subject: Problems with vncserver / vncviewer In-Reply-To: <22607760.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <22584604.post@talk.nabble.com> <22586421.post@talk.nabble.com> <22607760.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM, JulioSergio wrote: > > Maybe this has not been the right Forum to post my  question. Could anyone > redirectme to the right one? Wish I could give you better info. My *guess* is the X session isn't starting on the RH box, and it's got something to do with that xinit file, but I'm not sure what. Of course you said it was working before, so that's kinda odd... Perhaps the Fedora guys could help? Brian From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Thu Mar 19 21:18:52 2009 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:18:52 +0100 Subject: Install kernel 2.6.11.12 in Ubuntu References: <22601375.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87skl9yzwj.fsf@fjellstad.org> overflow_ writes: > Is there someone that have an idea of what I wrong?? > do I have to install mkinitrd? try installing initramfs-tools -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:14:54 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:14:54 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:38 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > The only thing about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability > issue has been "done to death" by the developers without once asking > the opinion of this, the "users", list. Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:17:48 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:17:48 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <1440888.OV0Naly8Fc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237444890.4758.9.camel@chronic> <2418651.iIypVsol2M@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237501069.4758.58.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:27 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > It's _never_ rebooted the system on Win2000 or NT. NT used ctrl-alt-delete > to invoke the login screen, and called it a feature. You can certainly > choose to reboot once it responds to ctrl-alt-delete, but it's not the > Three-Finger Salute. Yeah, that's what I *said*. Since Win 9x has died, only Linux distros are careless enough to kill the user session with a key combo without asking questions. From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:19:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:19:17 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> > Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody > who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. > That is a valid point. Where are these blueprints, so that us interested parties might find them? The dev list? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:20:06 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:20:06 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903191520q590a88fdsc8c3316ee975174f@mail.gmail.com> To be clear, I don't mean the blueprints for C-A-B specifically, but for all similar issues that may affect us down the line. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:23:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:23:03 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> Message-ID: <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 12:33 +0000, Nickolai Toupikov wrote: > basically just add something to xorg.conf It has been said over and over already that it's even easier: Jaunty already has a command to do it (dontzap), and there were at least plans for a GUI tool to change X options, which was planned to include this. I just don't know whether this will be actually finished for Jaunty, but the blueprint is there to read for anyone who cares enough to look it up. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:26:24 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:26:24 +0100 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237501584.4758.64.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 14:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How can > I tell from the CLI which video driver a system is using Search for "Driver" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:29:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:29:29 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903191529g1a8c4524j351a2e12b06defc2@mail.gmail.com> > It has been said over and over already that it's even easier: Jaunty > already has a command to do it (dontzap), and there were at least plans > for a GUI tool to change X options, which was planned to include this. I > just don't know whether this will be actually finished for Jaunty, but > the blueprint is there to read for anyone who cares enough to look it > up. > The command to enable C-A-B is not a replacement for a way to kill the X server because one must know in advance that he needs to enable it. Often, the user will not know that he needs that until it is too late. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:29:50 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:29:50 +0100 Subject: Status of ATI video on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> References: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <1237501790.4758.66.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 10:30 -0400, Rashkae wrote: > What is the status of Open Source ATI drivers in Ubuntu? I don't > really care at all about 3D acceleration in Linux, but care a great > deal about video playback. I'm using the ati driver in Jaunty, running a Radeon X1300 mobile. I must say that using video is not that great. Totem in particular needs a lot of CPU. I'm looking forward to fglrx working again (currently broken due to new X version) From eqisow at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:32:51 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:32:51 -0400 Subject: Status of ATI video on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1237501790.4758.66.camel@chronic> References: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> <1237501790.4758.66.camel@chronic> Message-ID: radeonhd (the new open driver from Novell) gives me no acceleration on my HD3850. Nearly any video lags badly in fullscreen. fglrx does not support my card at all. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 10:30 -0400, Rashkae wrote: > > What is the status of Open Source ATI drivers in Ubuntu? I don't > > really care at all about 3D acceleration in Linux, but care a great > > deal about video playback. > > I'm using the ati driver in Jaunty, running a Radeon X1300 mobile. I > must say that using video is not that great. Totem in particular needs a > lot of CPU. I'm looking forward to fglrx working again (currently broken > due to new X version) > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ender8282 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 22:36:58 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:36:58 -0700 Subject: Can less (or similar) do syntax highlighting Message-ID: <49C2C90A.609@yahoo.com> It looks like a version might have been released Dec '08 that does. Using the -r or -R options doesn't get me syntax highlighting. So it looks like i don't have the newest version. Is there another similar program that would give me syntax highlighting similar to what I see with vi? -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:38:17 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:38:17 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 00:19 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Where are these blueprints, so that us > interested parties might find them? The dev list? In Launchpad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty In particular (listed in the above link): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-ctrl-alt-backspace Registered: 2007-04-27. Started: 2008-11-18. Here is the X options GUI configurator, which will allow to set Ctrl-Alt-Bsp (among other things) by a click or two. It is already in Jaunty. The package name is xorg-options-editor-gtk https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-options-editor From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:40:47 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:40:47 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903191529g1a8c4524j351a2e12b06defc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191529g1a8c4524j351a2e12b06defc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237502447.4758.76.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 00:29 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > The command to enable C-A-B is not a replacement for a way to kill the > X server because one must know in advance that he needs to enable it. > Often, the user will not know that he needs that until it is too late. Here we go again: non-expert users *do not know* that C-A-B kills X, that's the whole problem. Anyone who knows and cares can (and will) know how to enable it. In case that X locks up before you enabled it, it does not matter, either, because X is locked anyway, so you can just reboot this one time and *then* enable it. Gosh! From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:44:23 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:44:23 +0100 Subject: Status of ATI video on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <49C25722.8040705@tigershaunt.com> <1237501790.4758.66.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1237502663.4758.78.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 18:32 -0400, Justin wrote: > radeonhd (the new open driver from Novell) Ah, seems my Jaunty switched to radeonhd too, after I fiddled with xorg.conf yesterday. Unfortunately it did not improve matters, totem uses 50% of one core just to run a video non-fullscreen. From samazzitelli at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:51:33 2009 From: samazzitelli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebasti=E1n_Ariel_Mazzitelli?=) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:51:33 -0300 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) Message-ID: <49C2CC75.8070802@gmail.com> Hi: I'm running on linux ubuntu intrepid 8.10 Kernel 2.6.27-11 gcc version = 4.3.2 (x86_64-linux-gnu) I don't have a parallel port on my pc so i've purchased an usb parallel adapter with IEEE 1284 compatibility. It has the pl2305 as micro. It's the usb printer adapter. The usb-parallel adapter was automatically detected by linux. It seams to have the drivers and all. My printer is an old Epson lx-810. I'm using the "Epson Dot Matrix Foomatic/epsonc" as the printer driver. Here is the problem. When i start the pc on linux and try to print it doesn't print exactly what i want. Ex: If i want to print: +---------------------+ | hello world | +---------------------+ it prints +---------------------+ | hello world | +---------------------+ It does the same no matter if there is a graphic or a string. It leaves a space between lines and the tab it doesn't have the right length. If i reboot the pc (without turning it off) on windows it doesn't print well either. But if i turn off the pc and start it with windows it does print fine. And if next to it i reboot the pc on linux (without turning it off), it works like a charm. I'm assuming that the usb-parallel adapter is the problem but i don't know how to solve it. Thanks in advance. Sebastian. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Thu Mar 19 22:52:14 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:52:14 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <1237503134.4758.81.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 23:38 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote: > > In particular (listed in the above link): > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-ctrl-alt-backspace > Registered: 2007-04-27. Started: 2008-11-18. BTW, 1. This was an upstream change and Ubuntu only followed, adding the option to reenable it 2. The full wiki discussion (linked from the blueprint) links to a bugreport at freedesktop.org, which gives plenty of evidence that users *did* press this by accident: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10510 From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 23:12:35 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:12:35 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> > In Launchpad: > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty > > In particular (listed in the above link): > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-ctrl-alt-backspace > Registered: 2007-04-27. Started: 2008-11-18. > > Here is the X options GUI configurator, which will allow to set > Ctrl-Alt-Bsp (among other things) by a click or two. It is already in > Jaunty. The package name is xorg-options-editor-gtk > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-options-editor > Thank you, I will spend some time going through that next week. >> The command to enable C-A-B is not a replacement for a way to kill the >> X server because one must know in advance that he needs to enable it. >> Often, the user will not know that he needs that until it is too late. > > Here we go again: non-expert users *do not know* that C-A-B kills X, > that's the whole problem. Anyone who knows and cares can (and will) know > how to enable it. > My mother in law will not know to enable nozap. And yes, my 74 year old mother in law installed Ubuntu herself, after I gave her the disk. This is a woman who closes her web browser after each site and reopens it to get back to The Internet (google homepage). And I still support that system when there are problems. > In case that X locks up before you enabled it, it does not matter, > either, because X is locked anyway, so you can just reboot this one time > and *then* enable it. Gosh! Reboot and loose data?!? Gosh! > BTW, > 1. This was an upstream change and Ubuntu only followed, adding the > option to reenable it > 2. The full wiki discussion (linked from the blueprint) links to a > bugreport at freedesktop.org, which gives plenty of evidence > that users *did* press this by accident: > http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10510 > I had heard that this was upstream but I did not take the initiative to google it. I'll read that, thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 23:25:38 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:25:38 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 03/19/2009 05:10 AM, madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel Not free, but reasonably priced: http://www.cycas.de/produkt.php?s=en&sys=lin#top http://www.cycas.de/info.php?s=en#top http://www.cycas.de/galerie.php?s=en&rn=1#top You might look into a linux spell checker as well... :-) From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 00:06:25 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:06:25 -0500 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090319190625.4bcf1656@WizardsTower> Mario Vukelic said: > On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:38 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > > The only thing about it that annoys me is that once again, a > > usability issue has been "done to death" by the developers without > > once asking the opinion of this, the "users", list. > > Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, > anybody who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. > My research shows that it is only a following of the x.org course and is an upstream decision. Ubuntu is only doing what upstream is doing, for better or worse. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 00:18:17 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:18:17 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! In-Reply-To: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> References: <49C2ACF7.9050601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> PS  I'd especially like to see a 'server vs desktop' FAQ up there, but >> wasn't comfortable writing it myself right now.  Anyone??? > > What exactly would this focus on? The first FAQ would be how do you get a GUI on a -server install. That's been kicked around a lot. Webmin vs ubuntu-desktop vs ??? The second FAQ would be when do you need to do a server install. I've recommended people just use -desktop and add the services they need. Someone from the server group objected to that. I'm not 100% clear why, but certainly could see arguments about too many running services, unneeded software etc. But if it's just a home user doing it for light use or education, does that stuff matter? Are there other good reasons? Obviously we aren't talking commercial/high usage here. It's something I'd like to get a better answer to myself. Brian From owen.townend at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 00:28:21 2009 From: owen.townend at gmail.com (Owen Townend) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:28:21 +1100 Subject: Can less (or similar) do syntax highlighting In-Reply-To: <49C2C90A.609@yahoo.com> References: <49C2C90A.609@yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/20 John Hubbard : > It looks like a version might have been released Dec '08 that does. > Using the -r or -R options doesn't get me syntax highlighting.  So it > looks like i don't have the newest version.  Is there another similar > program that would give me syntax highlighting similar to what I see > with vi? Sure, have a look into using vim, it has a wrapper script to emulate less but still use highlighting etc: $ dpkg -L vim-runtime|grep less /usr/share/vim/vim71/macros/less.sh /usr/share/vim/vim71/macros/less.vim cheers, Owen. From cr33dog at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 00:51:40 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0500 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) In-Reply-To: <49C2CC75.8070802@gmail.com> References: <49C2CC75.8070802@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Sebastián Ariel Mazzitelli wrote: [...] > I'm assuming that the usb-parallel adapter is the problem but i don't know how to solve it. I think you may be right - USB<-->LPT adapters have always given me problems. Do you have an older machine around that you can boot a live CD on and test it (and the driver) on the parallel port? Chris From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Fri Mar 20 00:55:22 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:55:22 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> Mario Vukelic: > Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody > who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. Yep, plain obvious. They're right next to the Vogon plans for a hyperspatial express route. Hmm, maybe I should comment on those... Regards mks From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 04:30:55 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:30:55 -0300 Subject: Brightness applet works in KDE but not in Gnome In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903191226y52bdffc6le94a201ecf1a29f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903091211v7bbb176ah64d4b1cb76a6cf9b@mail.gmail.com> <930ea9d10903191226y52bdffc6le94a201ecf1a29f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 20:11, Vincent Arnoux wrote: >> Hello the list, >> As the title says, I have in issue with the brightness applet in gnome >> (the slider that lets you modify the screen brightness) on my 8.10 >> laptop. In KDE it works fine. In Gnome, when I move the slider, the >> desktop will hang for a few minutes (5 to 10 minutes) and (very slow) >> step by (very slow) step reach the brightness level I set. How can I >> fix or at least where should I look to debug that behavior? >> >> Thanks, >> Vincent > > OK, so I guess no one can give me a hint on this issue? Not even where > to look for log files? When starting the applet from a terminal, I get > no output. > > Thanks, > Vincent It seems this feature is provided by acpi-support: "scripts for handling many ACPI events This package contains scripts to react to various ACPI events. It only includes scripts for events that can be supported with some level of safety cross platform. It is able to: * Detect loss and gain of AC power, lid closure, and the press of a number of specific buttons (on Asus, IBM, Lenovo, Panasonic, Sony and Toshiba laptops). * On some laptops, set screen brightness." Perhaps you could check in Synaptic - acpi-support - Properties/Installed Files if your notebook brand is listed. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From claudiu.vlad at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 05:33:39 2009 From: claudiu.vlad at gmail.com (claudiu vlad) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:33:39 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty Message-ID: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> Did anyone experience this ? I had to switch to nv driver. Problems exist with 180 nvidia version and even with 177. Cheers, From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 05:45:35 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:45:35 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903171314o3fde8db0k817e72de771a70de@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E67D.1050907@chrononomicon.com> <49C182F1.4020104@cmc.net> <49C18C92.6090609@neuroweave.nl> <49C19352.8020302@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C32D7F.3090305@cmc.net> Knapp wrote: > .>> Ray, > >>> After CTRL+ALT+Fn(n=1-6) do CTRL-ALT-F7 and you're back in your X-session. >>> Joep >>> >>> >> Thanks! Can I actually query and kill hung processes from 7 while logged >> into 1? >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> > > If you have jumped out of X then I would think it is dead, so jumping > back to X with 7 will give you the same dead X. If howeever, you fix > it from f1 then jump back to f7 all should be good. > > Use the man command and learn these: > Top is a great tool to learn but I hate its interface. > Atop or htop is better but you must install it. (not hard!) Anyone > know which is best? > kill (built into the 3 above) > ps > > Anyone less have commands that are a must have for fixing a dead X? > > For the newbie, start looking at the htop list and look for programs > that are maxing out the CPU or just start killing off stuff that you > know is running under X and you can kill without problems. For > example, I often kill the software that I was using when the computer > froze up and that fixes the problem or if that fails start killing of > software that you know can take it, like firefox and sound and movie > viewers. Save programs with data that needs saving for last. When all > else fails kill X itself. > Thanks! I'm already familiar with those commands, but wasn't sure if I could use them on another tty or not. Now I know, and the next time I have to jump out of X to a console, I'll be able to fix tty7 and then log back in. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 06:12:31 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:12:31 -0700 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C333CF.8000000@cmc.net> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:38 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> The only thing about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability >> issue has been "done to death" by the developers without once asking >> the opinion of this, the "users", list. >> > > Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody > who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. > Forgive my newness, but where can one find these "blueprints" for proposed changes??? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 06:22:03 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:22:03 -0700 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD In-Reply-To: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> References: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49C3360B.3050303@cmc.net> Steve Reilly wrote: > Bendon Bar wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my >> question is more stranger. >> >> I personally want to run my linux application after just come the Window >> manager. >> No desktop items on desktop, no Panel, nothing, just completely blank. >> Only my application will be run at startup. >> > > system> preferences> sessions add the program you want to autostart > in the startup tab. > > > steve > Yeah, except that will run your program after the panels, and icons, and things have already appeared. The thing to do would be to examine the start up scripts in ect/init.d and determine where to add a script to start your application before the other stuff gets started. The scripts all have a number to start their names, and the higher the number, the later in the start up they run, so you would want your script to start with a number that places it in the order where you want it to be. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 06:33:21 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:33:21 -0700 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> <49C0B60F.8030605@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49C338B1.6020309@cmc.net> Stephen wrote: >>> Ray Parrish wrote: >>> >>>> Stephen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All >>>>>> >>>>>> Kubuntu 8.10 >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >>>>>> text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: >>>>>> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >>>>>> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >>>>>> >>>>>> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >>>>>> have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. >>>>>> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >>>>>> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >>>>>> improved performance. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the >>>>>> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >>>>>> reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help appreciated >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Dear All >>>>> >>>>> This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some >>>>> suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X >>>>> at start up makes no difference to the display. >>>>> >>>>> I still have the problems of >>>>> 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen >>>>> Resize & Rotate. >>>>> 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off >>>>> the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits >>>>> 3) Windows render slowly >>>>> 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a >>>>> size that I can read - it is all too small >>>>> 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a >>>>> wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. >>>>> But I cannot access the display options to change it. >>>>> >>>>> I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the >>>>> onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics >>>>> card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already >>>>> configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. >>>>> One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned >>>>> onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. >>>>> >>>>> I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any >>>>> recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not >>>>> have to be fiddled with. >>>>> >>>>> I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not >>>>> sure what it is. >>>>> >>>>> Any recommendations welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned >>>> to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's >>>> currently assigned to the video card. This is way too low, and you >>>> should be able to change that setting right there where it's displayed >>>> in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, >>>> and go all the way up to 256 MB's. >>>> >>>> Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available >>>> system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode >>>> with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, >>>> all with no problems whatsoever. >>>> >>>> When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for the video card >>>> and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray >>>> out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or >>>> two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have >>>> the gray out problem. >>>> >>>> An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It >>>> works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI >>>> program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal >>>> screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create >>>> with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of >>>> it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video >>>> resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes >>>> take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. >>>> >>>> xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, >>>> hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a >>>> Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will >>>> then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. >>>> >>>> There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your >>>> changes to the xorg.conf file. >>>> >>>> Later, Ray Parrish >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Ray >>> >>> Thanks for the responses. I tried the BIOS to adjust the video memory >>> and it only allows selection between 1MB and 8MB. Nice idea but thwarted. >>> >>> xvidtune was revealing. I started it as root as I assumed it had to >>> write to Xorg.conf, and it showed that my res is 1440 X 900. I could >>> indeed use the Left/Right, Wider/Narrower, up/down, shorter/taller >>> buttons. No sliders I am sorry to say. >>> >>> However, when I adjusted using Narrower/Shorter and then pressed Test I >>> got an error message that "Sorry you have requested a Mode-Line that is >>> not possible, or not supported by your hardware or configuration" >>> >>> Not sure if this is user error. Should I have logged out of the GUI (if >>> so not sure how to do that)? >>> >>> Should I have used Wider/Taller? >>> >>> Dell have replied to my enquiry and confirmed that can only use PCI >>> (not PCI express) graphics cards. Any recommendations if I am not able >>> to increase onboard video memory >>> >>> Hope to hear from you >>> >>> Stephen >>> Hello, Sorry I've been off for a while, but making changes to the current resolutions start and end parameters usually result in a fail message as you experienced. The main thing I wanted you to try with xvidtune, was the Next, and Prev buttons, which allow you to change between the available video resolutions as they are currently set by your system, since you stated that you had no way to change resolutions to try another. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From erginsahin at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 06:59:35 2009 From: erginsahin at gmail.com (Ergin SAHIN) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:59:35 +0200 Subject: postfix - amavisd-new Message-ID: newly i setup my mail server postfix. when i send to myself a test mail. it doesn't return me , it's on queue. i am requeue and flush then come to me. this is the warning i saw; host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.5.0 From MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting: at (eval 96) line 555.): id=21255-01 (in reply to end of DATA command) thank you -- Ergin Sahin erginsahin at gmail.com http://www.pengu-n.com http://pengu-n.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 20 07:06:05 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:06:05 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 01:12 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > My mother in law will not know to enable nozap. Then she won't know C-A-B either, unless you tell her. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 20 07:06:53 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:06:53 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <1237532813.4758.116.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 01:55 +0100, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > > Yep, plain obvious. They're right next to the Vogon plans for a > hyperspatial express route. So the devs should ring you up for every line of code they dare to change, yes? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 20 07:07:19 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:07:19 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C333CF.8000000@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C333CF.8000000@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237532839.4758.117.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 23:12 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Forgive my newness, but where can one find these "blueprints" for > proposed changes??? See my other post in another subthread, which gives all the links From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Fri Mar 20 07:28:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:28:03 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C1F5E5.7040008@cern.ch> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <1237405359.13857.51.camel@chronic> <49C1507A.9090201@chrononomicon.com> <1237406033.13857.62.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181306r182362bex3226f2df409bc351@mail.gmail.com> <1237407120.13857.67.camel@chronic> <49C1F5E5.7040008@cern.ch> Message-ID: <1237534083.4758.119.camel@chronic> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 08:36 +0100, Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > you already have ... I replied, but did not comment on or argue the content :) From andy.kannberg at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:24:49 2009 From: andy.kannberg at gmail.com (Andy Kannberg) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: Logging errors & messages from tty3 during installation In-Reply-To: <20090319070855.216fae59@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <2757a8ab0903190424x709e91abia5391ab08c816baf@mail.gmail.com> <20090319070855.216fae59@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <2757a8ab0903200124i63dbbcb1gbe2e6e5b97cb78f0@mail.gmail.com> duh...I *really* didn't see the installer directory...thanks for point me out !! cheers, Andy 2009/3/19 Charlie Kravetz > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:24:35 +0100 > Andy Kannberg wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Is there a way to log the errors and messages from the virtual > > consoles during installation ? > > I'm trying to do some postinstall stuff during a preconfigured > > installation. Some of these postinstalls have some errors and > > generate some logging. But they fly too fast off the screen to read > > them. So, if anyone can give me a hint how to catch em, I would be > > helped alot ! > > > > cheers, > > Andy > > The installation does write log files as it installs. The logs are kept > in /var/log/ and /var/log/installer/ . You can read them as they are > being written, or copy the to another computer to read them. Run > 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' from tty2, then you can scp the > files from the directory to some other computer. > > Good luck, > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:35:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:35:25 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> >> Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody >> who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. > > Yep, plain obvious. They're right next to the Vogon plans for a > hyperspatial express route. > Hmm, maybe I should comment on those... > Do you expect that the developers would ask the users list about every change? Interested users could subscribe to the dev list. We just weren't watching, it's our fault. I hate the change, and it will bite me in the butt when I'm working on other people's systems I'm sure, but if it's so important to us then why weren't we watching? I will start monitoring the dev list. Maybe I will post here about issues that appear to me as important to this list as well. I recommend others to do the same. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 08:36:59 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:36:59 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> >> My mother in law will not know to enable nozap. > > Then she won't know C-A-B either, unless you tell her. > I'm the one who fixes her computer, among others. Often, a remedy starts with this. The point that I am making is that the person servicing a system is not necessarily the person who installed it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Fri Mar 20 09:18:55 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:18:55 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C35F7F.3040306@list-post.mks-mail.de> Dotan Cohen: > weren't watching, it's our fault. I hate the change, and it will bite > me in the butt when I'm working on other people's systems I'm sure, > but if it's so important to us then why weren't we watching? I don't know why *we* weren't watching but I know why *I* wasn't watching: the idea that such a fundamental change would go unnoticed by me unless I read the dev list or monitored the blueprints (of which I didn't even know they existed before I read about then in this thread) never occurred to me. > I will > start monitoring the dev list. Maybe I will post here about issues > that appear to me as important to this list as well. I recommend > others to do the same. Good plan! Regards mks From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 09:25:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:25:17 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <49C35F7F.3040306@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> <49C35F7F.3040306@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <880dece00903200225i6724d14fmae6eff583a832d59@mail.gmail.com> > I don't know why *we* weren't watching but I know why *I* wasn't > watching: the idea that such a fundamental change would go unnoticed by > me unless I read the dev list or monitored the blueprints (of which I > didn't even know they existed before I read about then in this thread) > never occurred to me. > I know, that is why we need a "user's representative" over there. That sounds terrible in my opinion, though, because it implies that the devs do not know / care what the users want. >> I will >> start monitoring the dev list. Maybe I will post here about issues >> that appear to me as important to this list as well. I recommend >> others to do the same. > > Good plan! > I'd appreciate some help. I cannot read every thread and I'm swamped with studies as it is. My Gmail inbox sits at 72452 unread messages! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From nbensa at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 10:38:34 2009 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:38:34 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu on LVM on RAID1? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <84250c9c0903141503n4e4f46a3kced68adfeb55e2c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84250c9c0903200338l6917b74h1f0683a9b35a7029@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > two Samsung HD103UJ (1TB) drives are on the way to my home. I'm > planning to install Ubuntu Jaunty on LVM2 on top of a RAID1 (mdadm) This message is just to let you know the drives arrived and I've already installed ubuntu (kubuntu actually) using the schema I describe above. The installation was very easy -using the alternate install cd- and it works really really well. I've simulated drive failures and the computer continues to work as normal. After drive re-installation, the raid is reconstructed (using mdadd -add /dev/raid-dev /dev/partition) The final schema for both drives is: partition1: raid1 /boot (256M) partition2 raid1 LVM (999M) swap / usr var home HTH someone. Best regards, Norberto From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:01:21 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:01:21 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu Mailing List FAQs - It's Alive Igor! References: <34399176.yDXYcQDbVY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: >[BMc>> Let's try and help people out without being snarky about it, and >still >>> save time and aggravation answering the same old questions over and >>> over again. >>> >>> >[T]> It may take more than your effort to stop some people from being >> snarky, it has been my experience that some people come here (and to >> all lists and forums) specifically to be snarky. ;-) > >[DB] Oh, no. I'm always snarky... Well, I have seen people accuse you of being abrasive but you aren't the type I had in mind when I made the comment, you aren't here solely to be snarky and you give good advice. Personally, I can tolerate quite a bit of snap and/or arrogance from someone who is intelligent and does good work. YMMV. From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 11:17:21 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:17:21 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: Is there a partiton size limit?) In-Reply-To: References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> <49C1809C.7040409@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C37B41.9090909@cmc.net> Thorny wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:15:40 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> If you insist on pressing this minor issue, then I can easily fix it, by >> establishing a filter to sort your posts to the trash, and you will never >> experience the "problem" again. >> >> > > Okay Ray, I don't mind if you plonk me. > > I gave you the opportunity to learn, as always it is up to you whether or > not you choose to. > Learn what? Your preferences for posting? That you're paranoid that someone else might think you were being given an answer, when it should have been obvious I was talking to the person that asked the question? Sorry, but it was a real "splitting hairs" type of complaint. I'm willing to learn anything you might actually teach me about Ubuntu, but I actually already have a pretty good grasp on threading from about 20 years of participating in groups, beginning in the days of group access via 2400 baud modem to the local bbs. Your suggestion to the OP was related to why I was giving him set up tips for Thunderbird, and the reason I included your post in my reply to him. I'm sure no one with a reading comprehension level above that of a first grader thought I ws actually talking to you. Anyway, that's enough of this, let's get back to the technical aspects of Linux and Ubuntu, instead of wasting bandwidth, and archive space on trivial matters. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:34:24 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:34:24 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to tally Message-ID: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hi folks ! Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:34:29 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:34:29 -0600 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> Message-ID: <49C37F45.8070004@gmail.com> claudiu vlad wrote: > Did anyone experience this ? > I had to switch to nv driver. Problems exist with 180 nvidia version and > even with 177. > > > > > Cheers, > > > > You need to know the number of your nVidia hardware. Mine is 7200 and I found with Hardy that 180 and 177 don't work. You need the lowest number driver for the "old" hardware :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 20 11:25:59 2009 From: chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au (Chris Taylor) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 Message-ID: I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so where do I get that from. terminal window output AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 Enter license number: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:46:22 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:46:22 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> Message-ID: <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> > Did anyone experience this ? > I had to switch to nv driver. Problems exist with 180 nvidia version and > even with 177. > Take a look at these bugs to see if they are relevant to you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/345076 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344299 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:48:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:48:25 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 20 12:07:46 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:07:46 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >> where do I get that from. >> > > You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! > agreed, unless you plan on forwarding a bunch of viruses and untested .exe files to your "friends" on windows boxes, then theres absolutely no need for antivirus software on linux. From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 12:11:57 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:11:57 +0000 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3880D.30901@gmail.com> Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: > What happens if you hit 'enter' without entering anything? I've never installed AVG for Linux, and only a couple of times under Windows, but if I remember correctly the Windows install asks for a key, and gives you the Free version if you just hit 'OK' to an empty box. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Fri Mar 20 12:15:37 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:15:37 +0300 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49C388E9.5060402@lab.vectoris.fr> Steve Reilly wrote: >>> I just downloaded AVG >> You don't need that here [...] no > need for antivirus software on linux. For the moment. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 12:22:51 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:22:51 +0000 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> Steve Reilly wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >>> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >>> where do I get that from. >>> >> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! >> > > agreed, unless you plan on forwarding a bunch of viruses and untested > .exe files to your "friends" on windows boxes, then theres absolutely no > need for antivirus software on linux. > I disagree. At the risk of starting another long, pointless sub-thread, the only way to make sure you're not forwarding a bunch of binaries and untested exe files to your friends is to run some kind of anti-virus software. All my boxes that interact with Windows clients (which is nigh on all of them) run anti-virus software. The fact that the boxes themselves are impervious to the bulk of what they are looking for doesn't mean they should ignore them and leave them be to go and destroy other people's computers. I don't know why Chris feels the need to run anti-virus software, and I don't think it's entirely fair to just tell him he's wrong without knowing why. Sure, suggest that it's not always neccesary, but I _really_ dislike the whole "that's a Windows problem, we'll sit and watch" mentality. Anyway, rant over, back to helping. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 20 12:23:04 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:23:04 -0600 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090320062304.5abfa50e@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: > > > It would be better to request a software license from the author of the program. You don't need a license for Ubuntu. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:26:28 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:26:28 -0700 Subject: backup problem References: <11286abe0903152129l3be447f6tecbc7f06ad12dab5@mail.gmail.com> <49C0EB75.7060808@swhi.net> <8f6eb7340903180800n5e786797va8bd5386c2f5338@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:00:07 +0700, Robert Parker posted: > That is not a backup it's a mirror. As a direct consequence of doing > what you advocate above any accidental removal of a file from your > source will remove it from your backup. That's hardly what is needed of > a backup. > > Strictly speaking you, I suppose, are correct, however, if you do it to several different locations in rotation by date, it does look a lot more like what many people think of as a proper backup scheme. In addition, one need not use the delete flag or one might use the backup flag. From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 12:35:19 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:19 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem Message-ID: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics. Nothing I can do will clear it up. My grub has the same entries as before I upgraded. I've tried safe mode and all others, but I get the same screen in the end. Keith From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Fri Mar 20 12:41:35 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:41:35 +0300 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C38EFF.4030900@lab.vectoris.fr> Avi Greenbury wrote: > At the risk of starting another long, pointless sub-thread, the only way > to make sure you're not forwarding a bunch of binaries and untested exe > files to your friends is to run some kind of anti-virus software. You should then be precise on the cpecification of the software you are recommending: antivirus to protect Windows, or to protect Linux? However, I tend not to trust closed source softwares. So: - OpenSouce anti virus: Yes, why not. - Non OpenSource, defenitely "No" -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From initrunlevel0 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:42:43 2009 From: initrunlevel0 at gmail.com (Putu Wiramaswara Widya) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:42:43 +0800 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <277a21980903200542w67820ebej2a5cf1c2792248ca@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/20 Keith Clark : > I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm > greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics.  Nothing I can do will clear it > up.  My grub has the same entries as before I upgraded.  I've tried safe > mode and all others, but I get the same screen in the end. how did you install it? from alternate disc or live cd. If using live cd is okay, i think after the installation is also okay, isn't it??? -- ".....Linuxer sejati adalah Linuxer Fanatique, namun tak berlebihan..." Putu Wiramaswara Widya SMA Negeri 1 Semarapura http://www.bli-wira.co.cc Please avoid sending me proprietary format (.doc, .xls, etc.) attachments See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Y!M : initrunlevel0 IRC : wira at #blankon in irc.freenode.net From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Fri Mar 20 12:42:35 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:42:35 +0300 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <49C38F3B.7070906@lab.vectoris.fr> Keith Clark wrote: > I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm > greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics. What is you graphic card? -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 20 12:45:16 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:45:16 +0100 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:19 -0400 Keith Clark wrote: > I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm > greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics. Nothing I can do will clear it > up. My grub has the same entries as before I upgraded. I've tried safe > mode and all others, but I get the same screen in the end. Maybe you are using a proprietary video driver. As clearly stated in the Alpha release notes, X.org has been updated, so any proprietary video driver is likely to produce all kind of problems. -- Vince From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Fri Mar 20 12:45:59 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?windows-1252?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:45:59 +0100 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C39007.60707@gmx.at> madanabhat27 at gmail.com schrieb: > Hi folks ! > I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. Are you looking for free as in free beer or free as in freedom? There may be a Linux version of Tally, which you will have to purchase. Why not ask Tally if they provide a Linux version. Personally I prefer Free Software but to me it's better to use Linux and some proprietary software instead of sticking with Windows. Franz From initrunlevel0 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:52:42 2009 From: initrunlevel0 at gmail.com (Putu Wiramaswara Widya) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:52:42 +0800 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <277a21980903200542w67820ebej2a5cf1c2792248ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <277a21980903200552h4ee313e2ib9b347c61520d625@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/20 Keith Clark : > Installed via upgrade upgrading ubuntu (especially in alpha version) always made some problem. you can send your problem as the bug to launchpad.net. bring the log of X.org as the attachment (you can found it in /var/log/Xorg.log.0). could you try to clean install it? how the result?? -- ".....Linuxer sejati adalah Linuxer Fanatique, namun tak berlebihan..." Putu Wiramaswara Widya SMA Negeri 1 Semarapura http://www.bli-wira.co.cc Please avoid sending me proprietary format (.doc, .xls, etc.) attachments See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Y!M : initrunlevel0 IRC : wira at #blankon in irc.freenode.net From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Fri Mar 20 12:54:24 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?windows-1252?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:54:24 +0100 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C39200.8070806@gmx.at> madanabhat27 at gmail.com schrieb: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel Maybe you want to check out these programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_accounting_software https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accounting As you mentioned compatibility: If you migrate all your workstations I would tend to the software which works best. Import once and then stay to the native format of the software. Usually this works best. Nevertheless I would conduct sufficient testing on the software to guarantee that it fits your needs. (Entering data in both systems for a certain period) I wish you luck Franz From richardkimber at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 12:54:54 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:54:54 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237502447.4758.76.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191529g1a8c4524j351a2e12b06defc2@mail.gmail.com> <1237502447.4758.76.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090320125454.173245f6@infinity.localnet> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:40:47 +0100 Mario Vukelic wrote: > Here we go again: non-expert users *do not know* that C-A-B kills X, > that's the whole problem. Anyone who knows and cares can (and will) > know how to enable it. I've no idea why you think that. It was one of the first things I learnt when I started using linux. And I certainly needed it from time to time. It may be true that the need for it has, over time, lessened for many people, though this thread has revealed there are still uses for it. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From richardkimber at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 12:56:36 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:56:36 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090320125636.3e752cd3@infinity.localnet> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:06:05 +0100 Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 01:12 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > My mother in law will not know to enable nozap. > > Then she won't know C-A-B either, unless you tell her. If he tells her, she's unlikely to do it by accident. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 13:01:57 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:45:16 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:19 -0400 > Keith Clark wrote: > >> I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm >> greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics. Nothing I can do will clear >> it >> up. My grub has the same entries as before I upgraded. I've tried safe >> mode and all others, but I get the same screen in the end. > > Maybe you are using a proprietary video driver. As clearly stated in > the Alpha release notes, X.org has been updated, so any proprietary > video driver is likely to produce all kind of problems. > > -- > Vince Ok, not sure how this will help me though. From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 13:03:46 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:03:46 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <49C38F3B.7070906@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <49C38F3B.7070906@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:42:35 +0300, "Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)" wrote: > Keith Clark wrote: >> I installed the latest Alpha of Jaunty and now my computer boots, but I'm >> greeted with a jumbled screen of graphics. > > What is you graphic card? > ATI Xpress 200 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:07:30 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:07:30 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Steve Reilly wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >>>> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >>>> where do I get that from. >>>> >>> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! >>> >> agreed, unless you plan on forwarding a bunch of viruses and untested >> .exe files to your "friends" on windows boxes, then theres absolutely no >> need for antivirus software on linux. >> > > I disagree. > > At the risk of starting another long, pointless sub-thread, the only way > to make sure you're not forwarding a bunch of binaries and untested exe > files to your friends is to run some kind of anti-virus software. > > All my boxes that interact with Windows clients (which is nigh on all of > them) run anti-virus software. The fact that the boxes themselves are > impervious to the bulk of what they are looking for doesn't mean they > should ignore them and leave them be to go and destroy other people's > computers. > > I don't know why Chris feels the need to run anti-virus software, and I > don't think it's entirely fair to just tell him he's wrong without > knowing why. Sure, suggest that it's not always neccesary, but I > _really_ dislike the whole "that's a Windows problem, we'll sit and > watch" mentality. > > Anyway, rant over, back to helpining > I must say, Avi, that until you said that, I never thought of it that way. I would say the same thing that other people said in response to this that anti-virus is not needed. The only question now is that can a linux anti-virus detect windows bases viruses? I am sorry if this seems as a silly question, but as I have never run anti-virus under Linux, so I do not know. :) -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 20 13:32:41 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:32:41 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Avi Greenbury wrote: >> Steve Reilly wrote: >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>>> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >>>>> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >>>>> where do I get that from. >>>>> >>>> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! >>>> >>> agreed, unless you plan on forwarding a bunch of viruses and untested >>> .exe files to your "friends" on windows boxes, then theres absolutely no >>> need for antivirus software on linux. >>> >> I disagree. >> >> At the risk of starting another long, pointless sub-thread, the only way >> to make sure you're not forwarding a bunch of binaries and untested exe >> files to your friends is to run some kind of anti-virus software. >> >> All my boxes that interact with Windows clients (which is nigh on all of >> them) run anti-virus software. The fact that the boxes themselves are >> impervious to the bulk of what they are looking for doesn't mean they >> should ignore them and leave them be to go and destroy other people's >> computers. >> >> I don't know why Chris feels the need to run anti-virus software, and I >> don't think it's entirely fair to just tell him he's wrong without >> knowing why. Sure, suggest that it's not always neccesary, but I >> _really_ dislike the whole "that's a Windows problem, we'll sit and >> watch" mentality. >> >> Anyway, rant over, back to helpining >> > > I must say, Avi, that until you said that, I never thought of it that > way. I would say the same thing that other people said in response to > this that anti-virus is not needed. The only question now is that can a > linux anti-virus detect windows bases viruses? I am sorry if this seems > as a silly question, but as I have never run anti-virus under Linux, so > I do not know. :) Yes. Considering there are a miniscule number of viruses/malware targeting Linux compared to Windows, and AV's work off of signatures, the overwhelming number of "viruses" detect by a Linux AV are Windows-based. Plus most AV on Linux needed is for mail servers and act as filters to protect file sharing and mail delivery. ClamAV is built specifically with mail delivery interception in mind. From unreal.linux at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:37:32 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:37:32 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Avi Greenbury wrote: >>> Steve Reilly wrote: >>>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>>>> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >>>>>> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >>>>>> where do I get that from. >>>>>> >>>>> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! >>>>> >>>> agreed, unless you plan on forwarding a bunch of viruses and untested >>>> .exe files to your "friends" on windows boxes, then theres absolutely no >>>> need for antivirus software on linux. >>>> >>> I disagree. >>> >>> At the risk of starting another long, pointless sub-thread, the only way >>> to make sure you're not forwarding a bunch of binaries and untested exe >>> files to your friends is to run some kind of anti-virus software. >>> >>> All my boxes that interact with Windows clients (which is nigh on all of >>> them) run anti-virus software. The fact that the boxes themselves are >>> impervious to the bulk of what they are looking for doesn't mean they >>> should ignore them and leave them be to go and destroy other people's >>> computers. >>> >>> I don't know why Chris feels the need to run anti-virus software, and I >>> don't think it's entirely fair to just tell him he's wrong without >>> knowing why. Sure, suggest that it's not always neccesary, but I >>> _really_ dislike the whole "that's a Windows problem, we'll sit and >>> watch" mentality. >>> >>> Anyway, rant over, back to helpining >>> >> I must say, Avi, that until you said that, I never thought of it that >> way. I would say the same thing that other people said in response to >> this that anti-virus is not needed. The only question now is that can a >> linux anti-virus detect windows bases viruses? I am sorry if this seems >> as a silly question, but as I have never run anti-virus under Linux, so >> I do not know. :) > > Yes. Considering there are a miniscule number of viruses/malware > targeting Linux compared to Windows, and AV's work off of signatures, > the overwhelming number of "viruses" detect by a Linux AV are Windows-based. > > Plus most AV on Linux needed is for mail servers and act as filters to > protect file sharing and mail delivery. > > ClamAV is built specifically with mail delivery interception in mind. > That's really interesting. So what would be the best Linux AV? -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 20 13:40:30 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:40:30 +0100 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 Keith Clark wrote: > Ok, not sure how this will help me though. Well it's simple: if you are indeed using a proprietary driver then your problem probably can't be solved, so it saves you wasting time trying to find a solution. If you are using a free driver, then you know there (may) be a solution, and it therefore might be worth investigating. -- Vince From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:41:01 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:41:01 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to tally Message-ID: <1577662431-1237556464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1562965946-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Open source alternative to tally Sent: Mar 20, 2009 7:09 PM Thanx a lot Franz ------Original Message------ From: Franz Waldmüller To: madanabhat27 at gmail.com To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Open source alternative to tally Sent: Mar 20, 2009 6:24 PM madanabhat27 at gmail.com schrieb: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel Maybe you want to check out these programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_accounting_software https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accounting As you mentioned compatibility: If you migrate all your workstations I would tend to the software which works best. Import once and then stay to the native format of the software. Usually this works best. Nevertheless I would conduct sufficient testing on the software to guarantee that it fits your needs. (Entering data in both systems for a certain period) I wish you luck Franz Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 20 13:51:12 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:51:12 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > That's really interesting. So what would be the best Linux AV? Depends on what you're going to do. AV is largely a PITA in my opinion...it takes up CPU cycles and disk use and still there's a lag between malware being released and you getting a signature, if it even detects the issue in a reasonable amount of time. It's like having body armor that just swings around your body, shielding some percentage of you at any given time. And you can't overlap AV's because they can interfere with each other. If you're running a mail server, ClamAV would be best bet, although I prefer just blocking executable attachments, period. If I could I'd sanitize everything to text too, stripping out the dancing mini-pics and day-glo backgrounds. I've never heard of someone, a home linux user, accidentally sending Windows viruses to Windows users. Is it possible? Sure...if you're doing file sharing and/or forwarding executables to people. But I've not seen it happen personally. Or if you're playing with WINE and run a Windows malware executable I suppose it's also possible. *shrug* If you want automated on-access-scanning (which ClamAV doesn't really do, it's on-demand without some hacking around) use f-prot or AVG. I've used AVG for home systems. But it's not a cure-all. No AV is. Paranoid application of best practices is the closest you'll come to a cure... From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 13:54:11 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:54:11 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted Message-ID: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> Hello, I noticed that in the System Log viewer, my messages log only shows some of the messages for the 16th of this month, and then nothing after that date. I can cat the file, and see all of the entries. File Manager [nautilus] claims that it is a plain text file, but gedit refuses to open it, stating that it might be a binary file. Kwrite opens it, but warns that it is a binary file, and that saving it could corrupt it. While in Kwrite I was able to see the following anomaly which occurs at the precise point the output in System Log viewer ends for the messages log. Mar 16 19:19:56 ray-desktop -- MARK -- Mar 16 19:39:56 ray-desktop -- MARK -- Mar 16 19:43:30 ray-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart. Mar 16 19:43:30 ray-desktop kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.24-23-generic Mar 16 19:43:30 ray-desktop kernel: Loaded 27905 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6.24-23-generic. Note the long white space in front of the entry for Mar 16 19:43:30. The entry right before it, is the last one which will show in my log viewer. It's not too big of a deal, as I know that a new log file will be started in a matter of days, when the scheduled rotation takes place, but I would like to know a couple of things. Is this log file indeed binary in some way, even 'though it shows as plain text in nautilus, and displays as such in Kwrite in spite of it's warnings to the contrary? What the heck happened that caused the white space, and subsequent lack of output in System Log viewer? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 14:00:27 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:00:27 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:40:30 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 > Keith Clark wrote: > >> Ok, not sure how this will help me though. > > Well it's simple: if you are indeed using a proprietary driver then > your problem probably can't be solved, so it saves you wasting time > trying to find a solution. > If you are using a free driver, then you know there (may) be a > solution, and it therefore might be worth investigating. > > -- > Vince So the fact that the grub appears not to have changed, but the computer wants to boot into jaunty could not be a problem? Keith From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 14:10:05 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:10:05 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3A3BD.4030306@cmc.net> Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: > Hello, I use Avast Anti-Virus on both sides of my dual boot machine, and when I installed the Linux version it asked for a license key [it's the free version] and I just fed it the one I had from the Windows version I have installed, and it worked great. I use it to scan my windows drives when I suspect they may be compromised, and I also use clamav for the same thing. Clamav shows in System Monitor as clamd, and freshclam which is responsible for updating the virus signatures, but Avast starts no processes, so they aren't fighting each other, and clamd and freshclam appear to sleep almost all of the time, so they aren't taking up much in the way of resources. They do load about 18 MiB to resident memory according to System Monitor between the two of them. I'm not really sure what System Monitor means by MiB??? Is that Megabytes, or megabits? Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 20 14:10:38 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:10:38 -0600 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <20090320081038.1385fc67@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:00:27 -0400 Keith Clark wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:40:30 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez > wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 > > Keith Clark wrote: > > > >> Ok, not sure how this will help me though. > > > > Well it's simple: if you are indeed using a proprietary driver then > > your problem probably can't be solved, so it saves you wasting time > > trying to find a solution. > > If you are using a free driver, then you know there (may) be a > > solution, and it therefore might be worth investigating. > > > > -- > > Vince > > So the fact that the grub appears not to have changed, but the > computer wants to boot into jaunty could not be a problem? > > Keith > > So, you actually did an upgrade to Jaunty? If so, please report the issue in a bug report against GRUB. Report the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs If GRUB did not change after the upgrade, it is a bug. How did you upgrade? Did you use "update-manager -d"? The problem comes from grub being on a different drive than the upgrade. Thanks. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 20 14:15:07 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:15:07 +0100 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <20090320151507.4f5b219b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > So the fact that the grub appears not to have changed, but the computer > wants to boot into jaunty could not be a problem? > > Keith I guess the point deep down, is that if you are using the development version, you are expected to be able to deal with breakages by yourself and not use the -user list, which is already high volume and implicitely targeted at "normal" users using a stable release. In each and every release note of any development release, Canonical/Ubuntu very clearly state that development versions are not suitable for people who aren't happy and able to deal with frequent and possibly severe breakages, by themselves. -- Vince From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 14:17:01 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:17:01 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <20090320081038.1385fc67@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320081038.1385fc67@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:10:38 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:00:27 -0400 > Keith Clark wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:40:30 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez >> wrote: >> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 >> > Keith Clark wrote: >> > >> >> Ok, not sure how this will help me though. >> > >> > Well it's simple: if you are indeed using a proprietary driver then >> > your problem probably can't be solved, so it saves you wasting time >> > trying to find a solution. >> > If you are using a free driver, then you know there (may) be a >> > solution, and it therefore might be worth investigating. >> > >> > -- >> > Vince >> >> So the fact that the grub appears not to have changed, but the >> computer wants to boot into jaunty could not be a problem? >> >> Keith >> >> > > So, you actually did an upgrade to Jaunty? If so, please report the > issue in a bug report against GRUB. Report the bug here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs > > If GRUB did not change after the upgrade, it is a bug. How did you > upgrade? Did you use "update-manager -d"? The problem comes from grub > being on a different drive than the upgrade. > > Thanks. > > -- > Charlie Kravetz Yes, I did the upgrade using update-manager -d Keith From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 14:17:46 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:17:46 +0000 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C3A3BD.4030306@cmc.net> References: <49C3A3BD.4030306@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C3A58A.50205@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > I'm not really sure what System Monitor means by MiB??? Is that > Megabytes, or megabits? http://xkcd.com/394/ Or, perhaps more seriously http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiB In general: 1B = 1 byte 1b = 1 bit (bits are smaller than bytes, y'see) And: 1 KiB = 1024B 1 KB = 1000B -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 20 14:17:49 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:17:49 -0400 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <20090320151507.4f5b219b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320151507.4f5b219b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:15:07 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> So the fact that the grub appears not to have changed, but the computer >> wants to boot into jaunty could not be a problem? >> >> Keith > > I guess the point deep down, is that if you are using the development > version, you are expected to be able to deal with breakages by yourself > and not use the -user list, which is already high volume and implicitely > targeted at "normal" users using a stable release. > In each and every release note of any development > release, Canonical/Ubuntu very clearly state that development versions > are not suitable for people who aren't happy and able to deal with > frequent and possibly severe breakages, by themselves. > > -- > Vince Ok, will do. Thanks for the help. Keith From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 14:18:55 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:18:55 -0700 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49C3A5CF.9040909@cmc.net> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:01:57 -0400 > Keith Clark wrote: > > >> Ok, not sure how this will help me though. >> > > Well it's simple: if you are indeed using a proprietary driver then > your problem probably can't be solved, so it saves you wasting time > trying to find a solution. > If you are using a free driver, then you know there (may) be a > solution, and it therefore might be worth investigating. > > -- > Vince > Hello, There is a thread on Ubuntu User's which I read earlier today, and it references a free driver for ATI cards which wa working for those using it, albeit without 3D acceleration and some of the other capabilities of your card. The subject was "Status of ATI video on Ubuntu" and the name of the free driver is radeon or radeonhd depending on your card version, and they do not support frglx. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 20 14:21:12 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:21:12 +0100 Subject: Jaunty install problem In-Reply-To: References: <174bda0e795af395fd83d309d041a9f7@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320134516.88b8317b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <20090320144030.a3a49547.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <19169970e75a0238ad694e8e7a295c1c@k-wbookworm.com> <20090320151507.4f5b219b.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090320152112.951ce0c7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > Ok, will do. Thanks for the help. > > Keith No need to be sarcastic, my point is still valid. -- Vince From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:33:45 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:33:45 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903200733i5645028y8b7b6a19ca0adff8@mail.gmail.com> > I've never heard of someone, a home linux user, accidentally sending > Windows viruses to Windows users. Is it possible? Sure...if you're doing > file sharing and/or forwarding executables to people. But I've not seen > it happen personally. Or if you're playing with WINE and run a Windows > malware executable I suppose it's also possible. > I know of this happening, from people sharing files. However, we have come to the conclusion that if the Windows user is relying on others to screen the files sent to him, then he has too many attack vectors open and we cannot protect him by filtering _our_ content. It is the Windows user's responsibility to check the files that he _receives_. Relying on the sender to verify his files is not only dangerous it is irresponsible and dare I say: stupid. The only viable situation in which any system should be screening for vulnerabilities that affect other unrelated systems is when it is used as a primary proxy with the intention of protecting that other system. One could argue (and I actually agree with) that a mailserver falls under this category. However, a home desktop system does not. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 14:41:30 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:41:30 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C3A58A.50205@gmail.com> References: <49C3A3BD.4030306@cmc.net> <49C3A58A.50205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3AB1A.9090304@cmc.net> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> I'm not really sure what System Monitor means by MiB??? Is that >> Megabytes, or megabits? >> > > http://xkcd.com/394/ > Or, perhaps more seriously > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiB > > In general: > > 1B = 1 byte > 1b = 1 bit > > (bits are smaller than bytes, y'see) > > And: > > 1 KiB = 1024B > 1 KB = 1000B > Ahhh! Comprehension dawns! So System Monitor is speaking in actual digital megabytes, instead of the new phony decimal based ones that some parities use. I had actually read about that recently, but I guess it didn't stick that time. It should now. I've always used MB to refer to the true digital megabyte, but I'll have to adjust my notation to the proper ones in use now. Thanks, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:52:31 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:52:31 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C3AB1A.9090304@cmc.net> References: <49C3A3BD.4030306@cmc.net> <49C3A58A.50205@gmail.com> <49C3AB1A.9090304@cmc.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903200752l7c175ed3i99ec8f0d87faf5be@mail.gmail.com> > Ahhh! Comprehension dawns! So System Monitor is speaking in actual > digital megabytes, instead of the new phony decimal based ones that some > parities use. I had actually read about that recently, but I guess it > didn't stick that time. It should now. I've always used MB to refer to > the true digital megabyte, but I'll have to adjust my notation to the > proper ones in use now. > You might want to vote for this brainstorm idea, then: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18560/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 13:36:50 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:36:50 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:38 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> The only thing about it that annoys me is that once again, a usability >> issue has been "done to death" by the developers without once asking >> the opinion of this, the "users", list. > > Oh come one, the blueprint was out in the open for a year or so, anybody > who cared could have read it and commented on the wiki. Oh come on. I don't consider vague references to "the wiki" to be "open". _This_ is supposed to be the users list. Such things _should_ be mentioned here. I would have read _and_ commented if I'd ever heard about the issue (and my only comment would have been that it's a good idea as long as expert users can easily continue the previously expected behaviour). "The wiki" has never, to my knowledge, been the primary distribution channel for informing users about potential changes. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:10:43 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:43 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903200810q5aa76d55t30c81e0c3e521191@mail.gmail.com> > I would have read _and_ commented if I'd ever heard about the issue (and my > only comment would have been that it's a good idea as long as expert users > can easily continue the previously expected behaviour).  "The wiki" has > never, to my knowledge, been the primary distribution channel for informing > users about potential changes. Users are not notified about potential changes. Users are notified about changes. As soon as I realized that I am interested in potential changes (just yesterday) I signed up for the devel list. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 13:43:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:43:20 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> My mother in law will not know to enable nozap. >> >> Then she won't know C-A-B either, unless you tell her. >> > > I'm the one who fixes her computer, among others. Often, a remedy > starts with this. > > The point that I am making is that the person servicing a system is > not necessarily the person who installed it. Then what's the problem? Does she use ctrl-alt-bs now? One hopes not... If you use it _on_ her computer, then when you do the next OS upgrade you configure dontzap, too. Until then, ctrl-alt-bs will still work. It's really not a problem for those who know it's coming. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 13:52:05 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:52:05 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> <49C35F7F.3040306@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200225i6724d14fmae6eff583a832d59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1326887.Hvs3DoRfUD@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > I know, that is why we need a "user's representative" over there. That > sounds terrible in my opinion, though, because it implies that the > devs do not know / care what the users want. It _is_ terrible. It's also, I'm becoming convinced, true. > >>> I will >>> start monitoring the dev list. Maybe I will post here about issues >>> that appear to me as important to this list as well. I recommend >>> others to do the same. >> >> Good plan! >> > > I'd appreciate some help. I cannot read every thread and I'm swamped > with studies as it is. My Gmail inbox sits at 72452 unread messages! Well, mine are all _read_. The major reason why I have stayed _off_ the list is that I have trouble actually just _reading_. :-) I am now subscribed to devel-discuss, devel-announce and devel-kubuntu. That's one of the other problems - figuring out which ones you really need to follow. -- derek From rev.olson at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:37:33 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:37:33 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200903200837.42971.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Friday 20 March 2009 4:34:24 am madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and > the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are > any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz > we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have > probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to > Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome I thought Tally also came in a Ubuntu format, did you ask the company? It seems to me they will even transfer your existing license. I know they were playing with it a year ago or so as a friend of mine said he was using it on his 7.10 Ubuntu install. He is in India now I think but I haven't heard from him for awhile. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 13:40:01 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:40:01 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <8978137.ITOmHYsvar@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 00:19 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Where are these blueprints, so that us >> interested parties might find them? The dev list? > > In Launchpad: > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty OK, that's another issue - why is launchpad exclusively https? I don't (_can't_) just browse launchpad, because - via my satellite internet connection - https is far too slow. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:54:28 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:54:28 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903200854v9dac779of55d91d0fa1da428@mail.gmail.com> > Then what's the problem?  Does she use ctrl-alt-bs now?  One hopes not... > If you use it _on_ her computer, then when you do the next OS upgrade you > configure dontzap, too.  Until then, ctrl-alt-bs will still work.  It's > really not a problem for those who know it's coming. It is a problem for those who must help people sho use systems that they did not configure. A setup her system, and calls B when there is a problem. B does not have C-A-B when he needs it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From unreal.linux at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:59:03 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:59:03 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C3BD47.5050006@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> That's really interesting. So what would be the best Linux AV? > > Depends on what you're going to do. > > AV is largely a PITA in my opinion...it takes up CPU cycles and disk use > and still there's a lag between malware being released and you getting a > signature, if it even detects the issue in a reasonable amount of time. > It's like having body armor that just swings around your body, shielding > some percentage of you at any given time. And you can't overlap AV's > because they can interfere with each other. > > If you're running a mail server, ClamAV would be best bet, although I > prefer just blocking executable attachments, period. If I could I'd > sanitize everything to text too, stripping out the dancing mini-pics and > day-glo backgrounds. > > I've never heard of someone, a home linux user, accidentally sending > Windows viruses to Windows users. Is it possible? Sure...if you're doing > file sharing and/or forwarding executables to people. But I've not seen > it happen personally. Or if you're playing with WINE and run a Windows > malware executable I suppose it's also possible. > > *shrug* > > If you want automated on-access-scanning (which ClamAV doesn't really > do, it's on-demand without some hacking around) use f-prot or AVG. I've > used AVG for home systems. But it's not a cure-all. No AV is. Paranoid > application of best practices is the closest you'll come to a cure... > Bart, I appreciate the information and your take on it. Definitely interesting stuff. I don't do a lot of file sharing from my laptop, but I am going to be setting up a Linux server in my apartment for use as FTP. I may in the future setup a mail server, but that is far away at this point. Thank you again for your input, and I will definitely be doing research into the different AVs for Linux. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From bendon_bar at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:01:14 2009 From: bendon_bar at hotmail.com (Bendon Bar) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:01:14 +0900 Subject: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD In-Reply-To: <49C3360B.3050303@cmc.net> References: <49C23559.8010101@roadrunner.com> <49C3360B.3050303@cmc.net> Message-ID: Thanks Every body for giving suggestions. I think no one could get my point. Basically I know how to make the application run at startup, thats not a big deal. But I want to remove all the packages that I don't need. I need only dependencies that is needed for my application only. So my idea was to use the Ubuntu Mini Remix and go ahead by installing the minimum packages , to able to run my application. I don't want to make my LiveCD 698 MB size. May be 250 MB. Thanks > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:22:03 -0700 > From: crp at cmc.net > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Blank Application Ubuntu LiveCD > > Steve Reilly wrote: > > Bendon Bar wrote: > > > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Though the subject of the mail is little bit strange, but I guess my > >> question is more stranger. > >> > >> I personally want to run my linux application after just come the Window > >> manager. > >> No desktop items on desktop, no Panel, nothing, just completely blank. > >> Only my application will be run at startup. > >> > > > > system> preferences> sessions add the program you want to autostart > > in the startup tab. > > > > > > steve > > > Yeah, except that will run your program after the panels, and icons, and > things have already appeared. The thing to do would be to examine the > start up scripts in ect/init.d and determine where to add a script to > start your application before the other stuff gets started. The scripts > all have a number to start their names, and the higher the number, the > later in the start up they run, so you would want your script to start > with a number that places it in the order where you want it to be. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > -- > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 20 16:09:05 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:09:05 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200733i5645028y8b7b6a19ca0adff8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> <49C39F50.2010301@chrononomicon.com> <880dece00903200733i5645028y8b7b6a19ca0adff8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3BFA1.5020200@chrononomicon.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I've never heard of someone, a home linux user, accidentally sending >> Windows viruses to Windows users. Is it possible? Sure...if you're doing >> file sharing and/or forwarding executables to people. But I've not seen >> it happen personally. Or if you're playing with WINE and run a Windows >> malware executable I suppose it's also possible. >> > > I know of this happening, from people sharing files. The scenario, to be clear, that I had in mind was with people setting up a Samba file server, not necessarily getting warez torrents or similar uses... But I agree with your assessment regarding it being the end user's responsibility to screen problems, not necessarily the provider in most non-professional cases. From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 16:11:56 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:11:56 +0000 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200854v9dac779of55d91d0fa1da428@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903200854v9dac779of55d91d0fa1da428@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3C04C.90602@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > A setup her system, and calls B when there is a problem. B does not > have C-A-B when he needs it. Much as I would rather keep ctrl-alt-backspace, I'm struggling to think of a situation whereby when I press it, and X does nothing, I'm stuck for something else to try. It's being deprived of a quick way of doing something, not *any* means of doing it. If we were discussing the deprecation of cp or grep, I'd understand this a little more. As it is, it's just another thing to add to my Ubuntu post-install script (unless it's made an install-time option, which would make me almost as happy as just keeping it). -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 16:32:22 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:32:22 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 04:25 AM, Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: > Works fine here on Hardy (8.04.2) - what version of Ubuntu, what desktop (KDE, Gnome, other). No license number is required. How did you install it? When you say that "I can't get working correctly", what specifically can't you get working? You'll need to provide some details so that others (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) can help you. From jan.welker at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:39:52 2009 From: jan.welker at gmail.com (Jan Welker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:39:52 +0100 Subject: .desktop run in terminal switch shell Message-ID: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, If I set Terminal=true in a .desktop file in /usr/local/share/applications the application will start in a terminal. Is there a way to tell Gnome in which terminal the application it should run? I would like to change the terminal from bash to tcsh. It does not read the /etc/passwd file. I already tried that. I do have a lot of environment variables in tcsh which bash is not aware of which causes apps to fail. Thanks for your help, Jan From smoot at tic.com Fri Mar 20 16:42:50 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:42:50 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted In-Reply-To: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 06:54 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Is this log file indeed binary in some way, even 'though it shows as > plain text in nautilus, and displays as such in Kwrite in spite of it's > warnings to the contrary? > The logs are plain ASCII text. > What the heck happened that caused the white space, and subsequent lack > of output in System Log viewer? I speculate some non-printable characters may be in the logs which is interfering with the display in the log viewer. If you look at the log with vim, these characters will show up in the editor. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 16:55:27 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:55:27 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 09:32 AM, NoOp wrote: > > No license number is required. How did you install it? When you say that > "I can't get working correctly", what specifically can't you get > working? You'll need to provide some details so that others > (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) can help you. Apologies, I forgot to add that I *much* prefer Bitdefender: You'll need to register to get the license, but it's simple to do. You'll find the linux/FreeBSD BitDefender is actually built specifically *for* those OS's and isn't simply a port of a Windows AV (like I suspect that AVG is). Further, script's are supported - see the details. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:13:23 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:13:23 -0400 Subject: .desktop run in terminal switch shell In-Reply-To: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> References: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Jan Welker wrote: > Hi Guys, > > If I set Terminal=true in a .desktop file in > /usr/local/share/applications the application will start in a > terminal. > > Is there a way to tell Gnome in which terminal the application it > should run? I would like to change the terminal from bash to tcsh. It > does not read the /etc/passwd file. I already tried that. <> > I do have a lot of environment variables in tcsh which bash is not > aware of which causes apps to fail. > Wouldn't it make sense then to make tcsh your default shell via System -> Administration -> Users and Groups , pick you and look at advanced tab? Brian From jan.welker at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:32:46 2009 From: jan.welker at gmail.com (Jan Welker) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:32:46 +0100 Subject: .desktop run in terminal switch shell In-Reply-To: References: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249f36a20903201032g76921690x4ee3f8cba83697cd@mail.gmail.com> The tcsh is already my default shell. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Jan Welker wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> If I set Terminal=true in a .desktop file in >> /usr/local/share/applications the application will start in a >> terminal. >> >> Is there a way to tell Gnome in which terminal the application it >> should run? I would like to change the terminal from bash to tcsh. It >> does not read the /etc/passwd file. I already tried that. > <> >> I do have a lot of environment variables in tcsh which bash is not >> aware of which causes apps to fail. >> > Wouldn't it make sense then to make tcsh your default shell via System > -> Administration -> Users and Groups , pick you and look at advanced > tab? > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From stephanos at writeme.com Fri Mar 20 17:34:50 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:34:50 +0000 Subject: x server crashing - sometimes In-Reply-To: <49C338B1.6020309@cmc.net> References: <49BC0A53.2030104@writeme.com> <49BE8D18.2010707@writeme.com> <49BEEE4F.6040403@cmc.net> <49BFBB2E.6070904@writeme.com> <49C0B60F.8030605@writeme.com> <49C338B1.6020309@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C3D3BA.8080805@writeme.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Stephen wrote: >>>> Ray Parrish wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stephen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kubuntu 8.10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to reduce the resolution as a way of improving the graphics and >>>>>>> text size as these are to small. I have seen these setting in two places: >>>>>>> 1) K > System > System Settings > Display >>>>>>> 2) K > System > KR and RTray Screen Resize & Rotate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I chose either of these, the server exits to a login screen and I >>>>>>> have to login again. Odd, as I have used these before. >>>>>>> The most recent change I have made was in K > System > System Settings > >>>>>>> Desktop -All Effects tab, where I unticked most of the 3D options and >>>>>>> improved performance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would also like to reduce colour depth. When I last looked at the >>>>>>> settings for changing the resolution I did not see anything about >>>>>>> reducing the colour depth. I have looked around System Settings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help appreciated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All >>>>>> >>>>>> This issue has proved problematic to resolve. I have tried some >>>>>> suggestions about editing /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but what doesn't crash X >>>>>> at start up makes no difference to the display. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still have the problems of >>>>>> 1) most of the time I cannot access Display or KR and RTray Screen >>>>>> Resize & Rotate. >>>>>> 2) When I maximise a window it is too wide for the screen and goes off >>>>>> the right edge so losing the X out icon and other bits >>>>>> 3) Windows render slowly >>>>>> 4) I cannot control the resolution enough to have text on screen of a >>>>>> size that I can read - it is all too small >>>>>> 5) When I had a 17inch screen I used a res on 1024 X 768, now I have a >>>>>> wide screen 17inch (16/9 ratio), I think I want a res of 1280 X 768. >>>>>> But I cannot access the display options to change it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have looked in the BIOS and up to 8MB of memory is allocated to the >>>>>> onboard graphics. The pc has 1GB of RAM. If I installed a PCI graphics >>>>>> card I would not have to make a change in the BIOS as it is already >>>>>> configured to select a user installed graphics card if one is installed. >>>>>> One of the editions of Linux Format had an article that mentioned >>>>>> onboard/Intel graphics are problematic. Now I am fed up with the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to explore installing a graphics card. Has any one any >>>>>> recommendations that will allow me to overcome these problems and not >>>>>> have to be fiddled with. >>>>>> >>>>>> I appear to have two PCI slots and a very short slot above that - not >>>>>> sure what it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any recommendations welcomed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Since you have 1 GB RAM, you have plenty to spare that can be assigned >>>>> to your on board video card's use. You state that the BIOS shows 8 MB's >>>>> currently assigned to the video card. This is way too low, and you >>>>> should be able to change that setting right there where it's displayed >>>>> in the BIOS. On my motherboard I have selections that start at 8 MB's, >>>>> and go all the way up to 256 MB's. >>>>> >>>>> Currently I have this set to 64 MB's out of my 512 MB's of available >>>>> system RAM. This setting allows running in the highest graphics mode >>>>> with 3D acceleration, all of the eye candy features of Compiz enabled, >>>>> all with no problems whatsoever. >>>>> >>>>> When I got this computer, it was set to use 128 MB's for the video card >>>>> and this seemed to work pretty good, but at times programs would gray >>>>> out and be unresponsive for a few seconds up to as much as a minute or >>>>> two. Now that I have reduced the video card to 64 MB's, I no longer have >>>>> the gray out problem. >>>>> >>>>> An easy way to test and change video resolutions is with xvidtune. It >>>>> works in conjunction with a terminal, but is actually a small GUI >>>>> program. You start it from Terminal, and it then uses the terminal >>>>> screen to write modelines fetched from your system or which you create >>>>> with xvidtune to so you can inspect or copy them. On the GUI portion of >>>>> it, there are buttons which allow cycling through your available video >>>>> resolutions in either the up or down direction. The resolution changes >>>>> take place when you press one of these buttons immediately. >>>>> >>>>> xvidtune also presents you with sliders to change the hsyncstart, >>>>> hsyncend, vyncstart, and vsyncend values for the current mode, and a >>>>> Test button to try any changes you make to those settings. xvidtune will >>>>> then warn you if your selections result in an invalid combination. >>>>> >>>>> There are also Apply and Restore buttons which allow you to write your >>>>> changes to the xorg.conf file. >>>>> >>>>> Later, Ray Parrish >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dear Ray >>>> >>>> Thanks for the responses. I tried the BIOS to adjust the video memory >>>> and it only allows selection between 1MB and 8MB. Nice idea but thwarted. >>>> >>>> xvidtune was revealing. I started it as root as I assumed it had to >>>> write to Xorg.conf, and it showed that my res is 1440 X 900. I could >>>> indeed use the Left/Right, Wider/Narrower, up/down, shorter/taller >>>> buttons. No sliders I am sorry to say. >>>> >>>> However, when I adjusted using Narrower/Shorter and then pressed Test I >>>> got an error message that "Sorry you have requested a Mode-Line that is >>>> not possible, or not supported by your hardware or configuration" >>>> >>>> Not sure if this is user error. Should I have logged out of the GUI (if >>>> so not sure how to do that)? >>>> >>>> Should I have used Wider/Taller? >>>> >>>> Dell have replied to my enquiry and confirmed that can only use PCI >>>> (not PCI express) graphics cards. Any recommendations if I am not able >>>> to increase onboard video memory >>>> >>>> Hope to hear from you >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> > Hello, > > Sorry I've been off for a while, but making changes to the current > resolutions start and end parameters usually result in a fail message as > you experienced. The main thing I wanted you to try with xvidtune, was > the Next, and Prev buttons, which allow you to change between the > available video resolutions as they are currently set by your system, > since you stated that you had no way to change resolutions to try another. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Dear Ray and others Thanks for the help and assistance. I have moved things on a bit by purchasing more memory, now at 2 Gig and an Nvidia GE Force 6200 (256 MB onboard ram). I can now control the resolution. All early days and I will test it to its limits I am glad I know about xvidtune and will use it in the future. Best wishes Stephen From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 17:42:14 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:42:14 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted In-Reply-To: <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 06:54 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> Is this log file indeed binary in some way, even 'though it shows as >> plain text in nautilus, and displays as such in Kwrite in spite of it's >> warnings to the contrary? >> >> > > The logs are plain ASCII text. > >> What the heck happened that caused the white space, and subsequent lack >> of output in System Log viewer? >> > > I speculate some non-printable characters may be in the logs which is > interfering with the display in the log viewer. If you look at the log > with vim, these characters will show up in the editor. > Thank you! After installing vim, and all of it's companion packages, I used the gui version to edit my messages file, and it now loads in Gedit with no complaints. There were about three lines of ^@ characters in the file. Actually the @ was slightly different but I don't have any way to represent it's actual appearance. I'm adding vim to my editors menu, and will use it now and again. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:45:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:45:34 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> > (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) I'm sorry that it came out like that. I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and Kubuntu. About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do believe that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a home user using it to protect his system from malware is not the place. Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows users use the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But when that day comes the types of antivirus currently available for Linux will not protect against it. If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 18:12:15 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:12:15 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 10:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) > > I'm sorry that it came out like that. > > I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and > Kubuntu. About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do believe > that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a home user > using it to protect his system from malware is not the place. > Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows users use > the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But when that day > comes the types of antivirus currently available for Linux will not > protect against it. > > If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install > antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. > JFC on a pogo stick! When will folks realize that there *IS* a good reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in certain environments. Further, when will people on this list stop the "you don't need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question about the installation of an AV program. You/we have no idea what the OP's reason is to wishing to install AVG, nor should we care; the OP ask a question regarding an installation, he/she didn't ask anyone's opinion whether it is necessary. Here, let me repeat the OP's entire post: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: Nowhere in there do I see a question asking anyone's opinion if he needs to install AVG, do you? Yet your electron wasting reply was: > You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! Your statement "a home user using it to protect his system from malware is not the place" is absolute nonsense. I *am* a home user, I have dual-boot windows systems, I share files with windows systems, I use Samba, and I *do* AV scans of partions, drives, and remote machines. Further, with BitDefender I also do incoming AV scans of Evolution (linux) emails on certain accounts - yes BD provides instructions & scripts on how to do those sorts of things - as quite often the emails tend to get forwarded to windows users. Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or otherwise) should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) on *their* system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* decide to install/use on *their* system. From ubuntu at swhi.net Fri Mar 20 18:13:54 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:13:54 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903200448n27933400wb3236ff22c7b4854@mail.gmail.com> <49C38712.1030300@roadrunner.com> <49C38A9B.3020403@gmail.com> <49C39512.9050305@gmail.com> <49C39AF9.8030306@chrononomicon.com> <49C39C1C.1070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3DCE2.2000409@swhi.net> [huge snip] >> > > That's really interesting. So what would be the best Linux AV? > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > For reasons already posted by others, I do run AV on my desktop Linux machines. On my servers, ClamAV and MailScanner combo works well. As for the desktops, I've found avast! to be not only free, but quite good. I especially like the fact that they provide .deb packages which allow me to keep my installed packages manageable :) ...and yes, I use avast! on any M$ machines I come across without sound protection. HTH - YMMV, -Ray From hs.samix at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 18:23:36 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:23:36 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: NoOp wrote: > On 03/20/2009 10:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) >> I'm sorry that it came out like that. >> >> I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and >> Kubuntu. About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do believe >> that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a home user >> using it to protect his system from malware is not the place. >> Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows users use >> the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But when that day >> comes the types of antivirus currently available for Linux will not >> protect against it. >> >> If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install >> antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. >> > > JFC on a pogo stick! When will folks realize that there *IS* a good > reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in certain > environments. Further, when will people on this list stop the "you don't > need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question about the installation > of an AV program. You/we have no idea what the OP's reason is to wishing > to install AVG, nor should we care; the OP ask a question regarding an > installation, he/she didn't ask anyone's opinion whether it is > necessary. Here, let me repeat the OP's entire post: > >> I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. >> I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so >> where do I get that from. >> >> terminal window output >> AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner >> Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. >> Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 >> Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 >> Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 >> Enter license number: > > Nowhere in there do I see a question asking anyone's opinion if he needs > to install AVG, do you? Yet your electron wasting reply was: > >> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! > > Your statement "a home user using it to protect his system from malware > is not the place" is absolute nonsense. I *am* a home user, I have > dual-boot windows systems, I share files with windows systems, I use > Samba, and I *do* AV scans of partions, drives, and remote machines. > > Further, with BitDefender I also do incoming AV scans of Evolution > (linux) emails on certain accounts - yes BD provides instructions & > scripts on how to do those sorts of things - as quite often the emails > tend to get forwarded to windows users. > > Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or otherwise) > should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) on *their* > system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* decide to > install/use on *their* system. I have to disagree with you here a bit. What I love about mailing lists and newsgroups is that they are not encumbered by contacts, legal duties to be correct and other corporate and legal bureaucracies and mumbo jumbo. This results in posters giving their opinions and suggestions -- and *that* is one of the best advantages of this medium, even though they may not be accurate or precise, just broad ideas are helpful a lot of time. At the same time, I do agree with you that the poster's query should have been answered, but I have learned a lot by reading what others suggested. I am not a know-all being and many times I am not aware of alternatives. So I can envision the OP posting this question about an anti-virus while harboring perceptions from his Windows days, posting the problem of anti-virus installation, and then reading others' opinions and realizing that it is not needed after all in Linux world (at least not the same way it is needed in Windows word). So as long as the comments and replies are responsible and make sense, I don't see what is wrong. The OP, after all, is going to be a better judge if he is aware of the opinions posted here. So I say let the opinions, suggestions and alternatives flow. It makes for better awareness in users about the OS and tools available in it and about the general methods of accomplishing certain tasks. And makes discussions more colorful. :) -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 18:26:00 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:26:00 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903201126p46010707re35087fdbbf37fa8@mail.gmail.com> > JFC on a pogo stick! ?!? > When will folks realize that there *IS* a good > reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in certain > environments. Further, when will people on this list stop the "you don't > need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question about the installation > of an AV program. You/we have no idea what the OP's reason is to wishing > to install AVG, nor should we care; the OP ask a question regarding an > installation, he/she didn't ask anyone's opinion whether it is > necessary. Here, let me repeat the OP's entire post: > You are right, I made assumptions that I should not have made. I should have asked what his intentions were, not assumed. However, I still insist that although people may ask "How do I do X?" that does not mean that we should not at least entertain the idea that X may not be the best move for them. > Nowhere in there do I see a question asking anyone's opinion if he needs > to install AVG, do you? Yet your electron wasting reply was: > I am sorry about each and every electron. >> You don't need that here :) Welcome to the real world! > > Your statement "a home user using it to protect his system from malware > is not the place" is absolute nonsense. I *am* a home user, I have > dual-boot windows systems, I share files with windows systems, I use > Samba, and I *do* AV scans of partions, drives, and remote machines. > In that situation you should not be relying exclusively on the Linux AV to protect your Windows systems. I hope that you have those machines protecting themselves. > Further, with BitDefender I also do incoming AV scans of Evolution > (linux) emails on certain accounts - yes BD provides instructions & > scripts on how to do those sorts of things - as quite often the emails > tend to get forwarded to windows users. > I hope that your Windows users are running protections of their own and not relying on you to stop all malware. > Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or otherwise) > should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) on *their* > system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* decide to > install/use on *their* system. > I agree that they are free to run what they please, however, from experience most users who ask for AV on Linux are doing so out of habit, not need. What would you say to a new user who asks how to install IE on Linux? Would you recommend that he browse with IE 6 in Wine as his primary web browser? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From smoot at tic.com Fri Mar 20 18:29:15 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:29:15 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted In-Reply-To: <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237573755.8695.61.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:42 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 06:54 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > > I speculate some non-printable characters may be in the logs which is > > interfering with the display in the log viewer. If you look at the log > > with vim, these characters will show up in the editor. > > > Thank you! After installing vim, and all of it's companion packages, I > used the gui version to edit my messages file, and it now loads in Gedit > with no complaints. There were about three lines of ^@ characters in the > file. Actually the @ was slightly different but I don't have any way to > represent it's actual appearance. ^@ represents ASCII NULL .e.g 0x00. Vim uses a consistent representation for non-printable ASCII characters. A character displayed as ^@ means the character is the same as '@' (0x40) (see man ascii) with the high order (7th bit) set to zero instead of 1. Please note, the character set is 7-bit. ASCII character encoding in a byte always have the 8th bit set to 0. Linux uses ISO 8859-1 by default which is an 8-bit encoding scheme. However the lower half of ISO 8859-1 is just the ASCII character set and those characters are the ones mostly commonly seen. You can see the ISO 8859-1 characters with "man ISO 8859-1". Some folks set the character encoding to UTF-8, which is an efficient variable byte encoding scheme. But ASCII is again a subset of UTF-8, so the same vim display rules apply. NULL in text files is problematic, since most programs think a NULL byte means the end of a string. That is why the log viewer is not displaying the log correctly. The NULL in strings problem should be fixed by changing the representation of a string, but there is a lot of legacy code which assumes strings are terminated with a NULL byte. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From pcguy11 at live.com Fri Mar 20 18:38:38 2009 From: pcguy11 at live.com (Greg White) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0500 Subject: kcalc dependencies Message-ID: Today I found that kcalc isn't installed. No problem I thought just do a apt-get install kcalc. Then I saw this: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon Suggested packages: kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer The following NEW packages will be installed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded. Need to get 46.7MB of archives. After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort. What the heck??? Why do I need gstreamer for a calculator? Something has to be wrong with the dependencies somewhere. PS I am using intrepid. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 18:39:23 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:39:23 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted In-Reply-To: <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 10:42 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > I'm adding vim to my editors menu, and will use it now and again. > > Later, Ray Parrish > You might find gvim easier to use - it's a gui front-end to vim. From hs.samix at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 18:47:36 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:47:36 -0400 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg White wrote: > Today I found that kcalc isn't installed. No problem I thought just do a apt-get install kcalc. Then I saw this: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs > gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 > kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 > libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 > liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network > libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql > libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 > libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 > libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins > libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig > raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon > Suggested packages: > kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc > phonon-backend-mplayer > The following NEW packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs > gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime > kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 > libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 > libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 > libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support > libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 > libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 > libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 > libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon > phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils > soprano-daemon > 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded. > Need to get 46.7MB of archives. > After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n > Abort. > > What the heck??? Why do I need gstreamer for a calculator? Something has to be wrong with the dependencies somewhere. > PS I am using intrepid. > > Thanks, Please read the output of the following command in a terminal: $> aptitude show kcalc Perhaps that will explain what is actually going on. However, note that the necessary KDE libs are bound to be installed. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 20 18:49:19 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:49:19 -0600 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090320124919.0c77746a@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0500 Greg White wrote: > > Today I found that kcalc isn't installed. No problem I thought just > do a apt-get install kcalc. Then I saw this: Reading package > lists... Done Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good > gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime > kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 > libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 > libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 > libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl > libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql > libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 > librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 > libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 > libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon > phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils > soprano-daemon Suggested packages: kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev > phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer > The following NEW packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good > gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen > kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 > kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 > libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 > libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer > libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script > libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 > libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 > libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 > libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 > obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig > raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon 0 upgraded, 56 newly > installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded. Need to get 46.7MB of > archives. After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will > be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n > Abort. > > What the heck??? Why do I need gstreamer for a calculator? > Something has to be wrong with the dependencies somewhere. PS I am > using intrepid. > > Thanks, > > It is good to file bugs against things like this. I do it often. This lets those who need to know about it and they can fix it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu Thanks. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 20 19:03:24 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:03:24 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/20/2009 10:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) >> I'm sorry that it came out like that. >> >> I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and >> Kubuntu. About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do believe >> that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a home user >> using it to protect his system from malware is not the place. >> Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows users use >> the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But when that day >> comes the types of antivirus currently available for Linux will not >> protect against it. >> >> If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install >> antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. >> > > JFC on a pogo stick! When will folks realize that there *IS* a good > reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in certain > environments. Further, when will people on this list stop the "you don't > need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question about the installation > of an AV program. You/we have no idea what the OP's reason is to wishing > to install AVG, nor should we care; the OP ask a question regarding an > installation, he/she didn't ask anyone's opinion whether it is > necessary. Here, let me repeat the OP's entire post: Because they shouldn't stress over it if they are holding a mistaken belief, or one that isn't a huge worry for them? And I for one didn't say he shouldn't have one or couldn't have one, just that there are times where it is used on Linux (like mail servers, clamav in particular) and times where it's not as helpful. He then followed up asking about what kind is recommended, I said Clamav on mail servers (I believe he's setting up an FTP server, if you're saying we don't know why he wants it) and for on-access instead of on-demand use I've heard good things about f-prot and AVG on Windows, and use AVG for Windows myself. But I don't want to perpetuate the belief that A) AV are essential on Linux B) An AV product is a cure-all or armor. It's a band aid. And they can cause problems, as I've had to fight with various packages on different systems over the past many years. So don't be surprised if someone tells them they can calm down a bit when it comes to using AV on this platform...they don't need to stress over like certain other platforms do. If they want it that's their choice, if they are using it in the appropriate context..mail server, file server...then here's a couple pennies of info to consider. > Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or otherwise) > should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) on *their* > system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* decide to > install/use on *their* system. ...not to mention there are ALTERNATIVE things he may not have thought of, such as if running a mail server (I believe that's not his intention according to followups) stripping all executables out of email, large attachments, and sanitizing contents. Oddly enough malware doesn't seem to survive email when those are stuck in the mix, along with clamAV if you want to stop phishing attempts as well. For all we know he used AVG on Windows and looked there first for Linux, when ClamAV has a huge reputation on the Linux platform and little if any exposure on Windows. Are you saying there's a problem with pointing out alternatives or possibilities not considered? I don't personally really care what AV he runs or if he wants to spend time getting it running. I just thought I'd give what info I did have in case he would get another perspective from it. From claudiu.vlad at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:07:45 2009 From: claudiu.vlad at gmail.com (claudiu vlad) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:07:45 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> Good news, everyone :) I just booted the 2.6.28-10-generic kernel instead of 2.6.28-11-generic, and all graphics are normal as before. So the -11 kernel is the culprit. Maybe you could try this too, Karl. P.S. I hope they ll fix it in final jaunty Cheers, În data de Vi, 20-03-2009 la 13:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen a scris: > > Did anyone experience this ? > > I had to switch to nv driver. Problems exist with 180 nvidia version and > > even with 177. > > > > Take a look at these bugs to see if they are relevant to you: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/345076 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344299 > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 19:06:06 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:06:06 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903200810q5aa76d55t30c81e0c3e521191@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2404101.yq0OvsCeRZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I would have read _and_ commented if I'd ever heard about the issue (and >> my only comment would have been that it's a good idea as long as expert >> users can easily continue the previously expected behaviour).  "The wiki" >> has never, to my knowledge, been the primary distribution channel for >> informing users about potential changes. > > Users are not notified about potential changes. Users are notified > about changes. I know that. It's wrong. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:09:52 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:09:52 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> Message-ID: <880dece00903201209u720e024bh45245255fdcbbbde@mail.gmail.com> > I just booted the 2.6.28-10-generic kernel instead of 2.6.28-11-generic, > and all graphics are normal as before. So the -11 kernel is the culprit. > Maybe you could try this too, Karl. > Please file a new bug and report that! That is very valuable information! > P.S. I hope they ll fix it in final jaunty > The only chance of that happening is if you report it. That's what the alphas and beta are for. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 19:08:10 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:08:10 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903200854v9dac779of55d91d0fa1da428@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C04C.90602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26341742.G0DisZeHMN@cedar.serverforest.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> A setup her system, and calls B when there is a problem. B does not >> have C-A-B when he needs it. > > Much as I would rather keep ctrl-alt-backspace, I'm struggling to think > of a situation whereby when I press it, and X does nothing, I'm stuck > for something else to try. precisely. If "B" gets a "call", it's already slowed things to the point that ctrl-alt-bs is hardly likely to be vital. -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Fri Mar 20 19:07:24 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:07:24 +0100 Subject: .desktop run in terminal switch shell In-Reply-To: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> References: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903202007.24615.kassube@gmx.net> Jan Welker wrote: > If I set Terminal=true in a .desktop file in > /usr/local/share/applications the application will start in a > terminal. > > Is there a way to tell Gnome in which terminal the application it > should run? I would like to change the terminal from bash to tcsh. It > does not read the /etc/passwd file. I already tried that. Is that application a shell script? Then you could start the script with this line: #!/bin/tcsh Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:14:38 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:14:38 +0200 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <26341742.G0DisZeHMN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191612w5e113c7t8e412745172672d0@mail.gmail.com> <1237532765.4758.115.camel@chronic> <880dece00903200136va40772dta2f6c69a79256829@mail.gmail.com> <1733954.PSrllzKS1A@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00903200854v9dac779of55d91d0fa1da428@mail.gmail.com> <49C3C04C.90602@gmail.com> <26341742.G0DisZeHMN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903201214k4929323u25fa1d36dd45f5a1@mail.gmail.com> > precisely.  If "B" gets a "call", it's already slowed things to the point > that ctrl-alt-bs is hardly likely to be vital. I've been B many times, and I have used C-A-B. I wouldn't be making a big deal out of this if I hadn't already been in those shoes. Many times in fact. It was actually quite often when Compiz was new, and it still happens. This is not a hypothetical situation. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 19:20:03 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:20:03 -0700 Subject: messages log file corrupted In-Reply-To: References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C3EC63.5010703@cmc.net> NoOp wrote: > On 03/20/2009 10:42 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > > >> I'm adding vim to my editors menu, and will use it now and again. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> > > You might find gvim easier to use - it's a gui front-end to vim. > That's what the following line in my previous post was about. 8-) "After installing vim, and all of it's companion packages, I used the gui version to edit my messages file" I read the man page for vim first, and once I realized it had a gui front end I tried to run it, but had to go download it before I could use it. While I was there I got all of the scripts, plugins, etc, that were available under the search results for "vim", and the doc files too, for good measure. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 19:31:08 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:31:08 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3EEFC.5060102@cmc.net> Greg White wrote: > Today I found that kcalc isn't installed. No problem I thought just > do a apt-get install kcalc. Then I saw this: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: Wow! That's a bunch! I just checked it out in Synaptic under Hardy, and there were only 7 dependency files shown there. [and none of them were gstreamer or anything like it] 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From stephanos at writeme.com Fri Mar 20 19:49:54 2009 From: stephanos at writeme.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:54 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10, Nvidia GE Force 6200 and my diminishing patience Message-ID: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> Dear All I have made some changes to my Dell in order to deal with some resolution issues. I have added 1 GB of RAM and now the total is 2 GB. I have replaced the onboard Intel graphics with an NVIDIA GE Force 6200 with 256 MB of onboard RAM. Installation of the NVIDIA went OK and I installed the driver recommended by Ubuntu. This has allowed me more control over the resolution which I have set to: 1280 X 720 @ 55Mhz. However, I now have an entirety new set of problems. The current symptoms of which are: 1) windows slow to render if I move them fast across the desktop 2) when too many applications are started the icons and menus become colour reversed and blured, with menus and icons becoming distorted and squashed. Open Office Writer on its own as the only application open produces this effect. Other wise it takes FIrefox, Thunderbird and Kate to bring about the same effect. 3) Sometimes the desktop disappears to blank black screen and a right click on the desktop brings it back. When I turned Desktop Effects back on again (with only three desktop effects ticked) the problem was worse and with less applications open. Any help appreciated Stephen From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 19:56:30 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:56:30 -0600 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> Message-ID: <49C3F4EE.6000503@gmail.com> claudiu vlad wrote: > Good news, everyone :) > > I just booted the 2.6.28-10-generic kernel instead of 2.6.28-11-generic, > and all graphics are normal as before. So the -11 kernel is the culprit. > Maybe you could try this too, Karl. > > P.S. I hope they ll fix it in final jaunty > > > Cheers, > > > > > În data de Vi, 20-03-2009 la 13:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen a scris: > >>> Did anyone experience this ? >>> I had to switch to nv driver. Problems exist with 180 nvidia version and >>> even with 177. >>> >>> >> Take a look at these bugs to see if they are relevant to you: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/345076 >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344299 >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen >> >> http://what-is-what.com >> http://gibberish.co.il >> >> > > > Hi, and I fixed Grub so it boots normally the older kernel. I did submit a bug and the bug has been worked by the kernel crew. They found the problem with -11 and know how to fix it. It should be good in the first Jaunty :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From samazzitelli at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:03:20 2009 From: samazzitelli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebasti=E1n_Ariel_Mazzitelli?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:03:20 -0300 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3F688.4060403@gmail.com> I'm gonna try testing the printer in an older machine and also i have another lpt printer so i'll test it with the adapter and see what happens. It's going to take me a few days to set everything up, so i'll be back with the test results in a short wile. Sebastian. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0500 > From: Chris Mohler > Subject: Re: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Sebasti?n Ariel Mazzitelli > wrote: > [...] > >> I'm assuming that the usb-parallel adapter is the problem but i don't know how to solve it. >> > > I think you may be right - USB<-->LPT adapters have always given me problems. > > Do you have an older machine around that you can boot a live CD on and > test it (and the driver) on the parallel port? > > Chris > > > From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:04:17 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:04:17 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10, Nvidia GE Force 6200 and my diminishing patience In-Reply-To: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> References: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49C3F6C1.8060003@gmail.com> Stephen wrote: > Dear All > > I have made some changes to my Dell in order to deal with some > resolution issues. I have added 1 GB of RAM and now the total is 2 GB. > I have replaced the onboard Intel graphics with an NVIDIA GE Force > 6200 with 256 MB of onboard RAM. > This I assume is a card you installed in the proper pci plug. > Installation of the NVIDIA went OK and I installed the driver > recommended by Ubuntu. Which version of the driver? I have a slightly newer 7200GS and it works fine with the I think 093 version of the Ubuntu nVidia driver. Karl > This has allowed me more control over the > resolution which I have set to: 1280 X 720 @ 55Mhz. > > However, I now have an entirety new set of problems. The current > symptoms of which are: > 1) windows slow to render if I move them fast across the desktop > 2) when too many applications are started the icons and menus become > colour reversed and blured, with menus and icons becoming distorted and > squashed. Open Office Writer on its own as the only application open > produces this effect. Other wise it takes FIrefox, Thunderbird and > Kate to bring about the same effect. > 3) Sometimes the desktop disappears to blank black screen and a right > click on the desktop brings it back. > > When I turned Desktop Effects back on again (with only three desktop > effects ticked) the problem was worse and with less applications open. > > Any help appreciated > > Stephen > > > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 19:45:38 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:45:38 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: <20090320124919.0c77746a@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <5462224.h5yeKovx96@cedar.serverforest.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > It is good to file bugs against things like this. I do it often. This > lets those who need to know about it and they can fix it. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu But before doing that he needs to do "sudo apt-get -f install" because the odds are that these are _not_ dependencies of kcalc. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 20 19:09:28 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:09:28 -0300 Subject: messages log file corrupted References: <49C3A003.2090908@cmc.net> <1237567370.25163.688.camel@smoot.tic.com> <49C3D576.9010404@cmc.net> Message-ID: <7376862.Bxh470YmNf@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > Thank you! After installing vim, and all of it's companion packages, I > used the gui version to edit my messages file, and it now loads in Gedit > with no complaints. There were about three lines of ^@ characters in the > file. Actually the @ was slightly different but I don't have any way to > represent it's actual appearance. Those are almost certainly "nulls" (ascii zeros). -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:15:17 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:15:17 -0600 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) In-Reply-To: <49C3F688.4060403@gmail.com> References: <49C3F688.4060403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C3F955.90205@gmail.com> Sebastián Ariel Mazzitelli wrote: > I'm gonna try testing the printer in an older machine and also i have > another lpt printer so i'll test it with the adapter and see what happens. > It's going to take me a few days to set everything up, so i'll be back > with the test results in a short wile. > > Sebastian. > > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:51:40 -0500 >> From: Chris Mohler >> Subject: Re: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) >> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Sebasti?n Ariel Mazzitelli >> wrote: >> [...] >> >> >>> I'm assuming that the usb-parallel adapter is the problem but i don't know how to solve it. >>> >>> >> I think you may be right - USB<-->LPT adapters have always given me problems. >> >> Do you have an older machine around that you can boot a live CD on and >> test it (and the driver) on the parallel port? >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> > > I have a rather old Brother model HL-1440 and I have connected to it with a parallel port plug for the past several years. But I bought a few USB plugs at the Dollar Store for one dollar a piece. One of the plugs had the normal USB on one end and a very small more square plug on the other end. To my great pleasure it fit the plug on the printer! So I unplugged the big heavy parallel port cable and used the USB cable and told the printer driver in Ubuntu to look for a USB port and it worked perfect in every way. You might look at the back of your printer :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:22:58 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:22:58 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <49C3F4EE.6000503@gmail.com> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> <49C3F4EE.6000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903201322x7e523cx957b21c087dfb7f4@mail.gmail.com> >    Hi, and I fixed Grub so it boots normally the older kernel. I did > submit a bug and the bug has been worked by the kernel crew. They found > the problem with -11 and know how to fix it. It should be good in the > first Jaunty :-) > Thanks, Karl, that's great! What is the URL of the bug? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 20:26:53 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:26:53 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: <20090320124919.0c77746a@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090320124919.0c77746a@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 11:49 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0500 > Greg White wrote: > > It is good to file bugs against things like this. I do it often. This > lets those who need to know about it and they can fix it. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu > > Thanks. > I suspect that it comes from the dependency of kdebase-runtime & not having the kde base packages installed: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/kcalc Depends: kdebase-runtime http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/kdebase-runtime @Greg: In Gnome when you first install a 'K' program (kcalc, etc) you need those base kde packages to run kde applications. Afterwards, you'll only need the standard kde dependencies. So then installing kcalc will look something like this: $ sudo apt-get install kcalc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: kcalc 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 202kB of archives. After this operation, 737kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main kcalc 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1 [202kB] Fetched 202kB in 3s (55.7kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package kcalc. (Reading database ... 373157 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking kcalc (from .../kcalc_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1_i386.deb) ... Setting up kcalc (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1) ... From thilts at mcsnet.ca Fri Mar 20 20:42:02 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:42:02 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> References: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49C3FF9A.8040902@mcsnet.ca> I want to know the optimal solution. The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I want.. Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will be changed to EXT3. The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the command umount "/media/sdc1" sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to be 512. BELOW is the man page synopsis: SYNOPSIS mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ blocks-count ] DESCRIPTION mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a disk partition). device is the spe? cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). blocks-count is the number of blocks on the device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a journal is created as if the -j option was specified. Thanks for any input -- Ted From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 20 21:09:16 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:09:16 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu 8.10, Nvidia GE Force 6200 and my diminishing patience In-Reply-To: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> References: <49C3F362.4020003@writeme.com> Message-ID: <49C405FC.4040009@cmc.net> Stephen wrote: > Dear All > > I have made some changes to my Dell in order to deal with some > resolution issues. I have added 1 GB of RAM and now the total is 2 GB. > I have replaced the onboard Intel graphics with an NVIDIA GE Force > 6200 with 256 MB of onboard RAM. > > Installation of the NVIDIA went OK and I installed the driver > recommended by Ubuntu. This has allowed me more control over the > resolution which I have set to: 1280 X 720 @ 55Mhz. > > However, I now have an entirety new set of problems. The current > symptoms of which are: > 1) windows slow to render if I move them fast across the desktop > 2) when too many applications are started the icons and menus become > colour reversed and blured, with menus and icons becoming distorted and > squashed. Open Office Writer on its own as the only application open > produces this effect. Other wise it takes FIrefox, Thunderbird and > Kate to bring about the same effect. > 3) Sometimes the desktop disappears to blank black screen and a right > click on the desktop brings it back. > > When I turned Desktop Effects back on again (with only three desktop > effects ticked) the problem was worse and with less applications open. > > Any help appreciated > > Stephen > Hello, That model is real close to my Geforce 6100, except mine is built into the motherboard, and I'm only using 64 MiB's of RAM robbed from the system RAM. It';s working great in Hardy with all of the eye candy options enabled in Compiz, so yours should be capable of the same. Have a look in your /var/log/xorg.0.log file, and look to see which modules are being loaded, and what capabilities and/or possibly error messages are being listed in it. I believe that the GLX module is one that is required for video acceleration with Nvidia cards. You'll have to skip down over a couple of sections that specify memory ranges utilized that aren't intelligible to anyone but possibly computer engineers. Check to see if you are using the "nv" driver, or the newer "nvidia" driver, you should be using nvidia, or possibly even nvidia-glx. Also look for the following lines - Default visual should be Truecolor, and RENDER acceleration as well as GLX should be enabled. (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (**) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled. In the ( )'s on the start of each line in the log file is you see the text WW, that is a warning message about a problem. Mine contains the following warning, which prevents me using any other video modes than the four in my xorg.conf file at present, as the monitor has to be set to a Generic Flat Panel, due to incorrect EDID information being returned. (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): The EDID read for display device CRT-0 is invalid: (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): unrecognized EDID Header. The EDID information being returned by your monitor can be extracted with the command get-edid | parse-edid after installing the package read-edid which contains those two programs. The EDID consists of two 128 kiB blocks of information stored in the monitor about it's capabilities. If it is being correctly extracted by x already it will be in your xorg.0.log file as well. You can find your video driver version by running Nvidia X Server Settings from the System, Administration menu. The driver's version will be shown on the right side, if you select "X Server Information" in the list on the left side. I'm using 169.12 here and it's running great. These settings can all be manually set in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if they are not currently set correctly. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:19:22 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:19:22 -0300 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 03/20/2009 10:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) >>> I'm sorry that it came out like that. >>> >>> I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and >>> Kubuntu.  About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do believe >>> that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a home user >>> using it to protect his system from malware is not the place. >>> Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows users use >>> the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But when that day >>> comes the types of antivirus currently available for Linux will not >>> protect against it. >>> >>> If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install >>> antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. >>> >> >> JFC on a pogo stick! When will folks realize that there *IS* a good >> reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in certain >> environments. Further, when will people on this list stop the "you don't >> need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question about the installation >> of an AV program. You/we have no idea what the OP's reason is to wishing >> to install AVG, nor should we care; the OP ask a question regarding an >> installation, he/she didn't ask anyone's opinion whether it is >> necessary. Here, let me repeat the OP's entire post: > > > > Because they shouldn't stress over it if they are holding a mistaken > belief, or one that isn't a huge worry for them? > > And I for one didn't say he shouldn't have one or couldn't have one, > just that there are times where it is used on Linux (like mail servers, > clamav in particular) and times where it's not as helpful. He then > followed up asking about what kind is recommended, I said Clamav on mail > servers (I believe he's setting up an FTP server, if you're saying we > don't know why he wants it) and for on-access instead of on-demand use > I've heard good things about f-prot and AVG on Windows, and use AVG for > Windows myself. > > But I don't want to perpetuate the belief that > A) AV are essential on Linux > B) An AV product is a cure-all or armor. It's a band aid. And they can > cause problems, as I've had to fight with various packages on different > systems over the past many years. > > So don't be surprised if someone tells them they can calm down a bit > when it comes to using AV on this platform...they don't need to stress > over like certain other platforms do. If they want it that's their > choice, if they are using it in the appropriate context..mail server, > file server...then here's a couple pennies of info to consider. > >> Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or otherwise) >> should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) on *their* >> system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* decide to >> install/use on *their* system. > > ...not to mention there are ALTERNATIVE things he may not have thought > of, such as if running a mail server (I believe that's not his intention > according to followups) stripping all executables out of email, large > attachments, and sanitizing contents. Oddly enough malware doesn't seem > to survive email when those are stuck in the mix, along with clamAV if > you want to stop phishing attempts as well. For all we know he used AVG > on Windows and looked there first for Linux, when ClamAV has a huge > reputation on the Linux platform and little if any exposure on Windows. > > Are you saying there's a problem with pointing out alternatives or > possibilities not considered? I don't personally really care what AV he > runs or if he wants to spend time getting it running. I just thought I'd > give what info I did have in case he would get another perspective from it. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > I'd like to post again a link provided by Robert Parker in the thread "And another Ubuntu convert!" Jan, 22 2009. I think it is a must reading for anyone considering anti-virus software. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:33:52 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:33:52 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903201433q4aaf1660l8fc49f24a17feafb@mail.gmail.com> > I'd like to post again a link provided by Robert Parker in the thread > "And another Ubuntu convert!" Jan, 22 2009. I think it is a must > reading for anyone considering anti-virus software. > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus > That article makes a point that any particular user can neither bork the system, nor bork other user's files. Only his own files are at stake. On a single-users system, that argument is moot. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Mar 20 21:39:51 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:39:51 -0600 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090320153951.7e106e26@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:19:22 -0300 Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bart Silverstrim > wrote: > > NoOp wrote: > >> On 03/20/2009 10:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>> (non-AV-isn't needed on linux folks) > >>> I'm sorry that it came out like that. > >>> > >>> I have moved over 20 people from Windows XP / Vista to Fedora and > >>> Kubuntu.  About half wanted antivirus installed. While I do > >>> believe that there is a place for antivirus software in Linux, a > >>> home user using it to protect his system from malware is not the > >>> place. Currently, there is no malware (in the sense that Windows > >>> users use the term) for Linux desktops. That _will_ change. But > >>> when that day comes the types of antivirus currently available > >>> for Linux will not protect against it. > >>> > >>> If the OP is configuring a mailserver, then by all means install > >>> antivirus. It would be irresponsible not to. > >>> > >> > >> JFC on a pogo stick! When will folks realize that there *IS* a good > >> reason for some people to install an AV on a linux system in > >> certain environments. Further, when will people on this list stop > >> the "you don't need an AV" when someone/anyone asks a question > >> about the installation of an AV program. You/we have no idea what > >> the OP's reason is to wishing to install AVG, nor should we care; > >> the OP ask a question regarding an installation, he/she didn't ask > >> anyone's opinion whether it is necessary. Here, let me repeat the > >> OP's entire post: > > > > > > > > Because they shouldn't stress over it if they are holding a mistaken > > belief, or one that isn't a huge worry for them? > > > > And I for one didn't say he shouldn't have one or couldn't have one, > > just that there are times where it is used on Linux (like mail > > servers, clamav in particular) and times where it's not as helpful. > > He then followed up asking about what kind is recommended, I said > > Clamav on mail servers (I believe he's setting up an FTP server, if > > you're saying we don't know why he wants it) and for on-access > > instead of on-demand use I've heard good things about f-prot and > > AVG on Windows, and use AVG for Windows myself. > > > > But I don't want to perpetuate the belief that > > A) AV are essential on Linux > > B) An AV product is a cure-all or armor. It's a band aid. And they > > can cause problems, as I've had to fight with various packages on > > different systems over the past many years. > > > > So don't be surprised if someone tells them they can calm down a bit > > when it comes to using AV on this platform...they don't need to > > stress over like certain other platforms do. If they want it that's > > their choice, if they are using it in the appropriate context..mail > > server, file server...then here's a couple pennies of info to > > consider. > > > >> Now *please* get off the harping on whether a user (home or > >> otherwise) should, or should not use an AV (or any other program) > >> on *their* system! They are free to use whatever the hell *they* > >> decide to install/use on *their* system. > > > > ...not to mention there are ALTERNATIVE things he may not have > > thought of, such as if running a mail server (I believe that's not > > his intention according to followups) stripping all executables out > > of email, large attachments, and sanitizing contents. Oddly enough > > malware doesn't seem to survive email when those are stuck in the > > mix, along with clamAV if you want to stop phishing attempts as > > well. For all we know he used AVG on Windows and looked there first > > for Linux, when ClamAV has a huge reputation on the Linux platform > > and little if any exposure on Windows. > > > > Are you saying there's a problem with pointing out alternatives or > > possibilities not considered? I don't personally really care what > > AV he runs or if he wants to spend time getting it running. I just > > thought I'd give what info I did have in case he would get another > > perspective from it. > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > I'd like to post again a link provided by Robert Parker in the thread > "And another Ubuntu convert!" Jan, 22 2009. I think it is a must > reading for anyone considering anti-virus software. > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus > > So, what does that have to do with the original question? It is another article to read that does not provide an answer to : "what is the serial number"? -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Fri Mar 20 22:06:44 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:06:44 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <880dece00903200225i6724d14fmae6eff583a832d59@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <49C2E97A.8070809@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200135l310b2b1es670e708727d66c5a@mail.gmail.com> <49C35F7F.3040306@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903200225i6724d14fmae6eff583a832d59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C41374.7010700@list-post.mks-mail.de> Dotan Cohen: >>> I will >>> start monitoring the dev list. Maybe I will post here about issues >>> that appear to me as important to this list as well. I recommend >>> others to do the same. >> Good plan! > > I'd appreciate some help. I cannot read every thread and I'm swamped > with studies as it is. My Gmail inbox sits at 72452 unread messages! OK, I've subscribed to ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel-announce and ubuntu-devel-discuss. Let's see if it's worth the trouble... Regards mks From pcguy11 at live.com Fri Mar 20 22:21:24 2009 From: pcguy11 at live.com (Greg White) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:21:24 -0500 Subject: kcalc dependencies Message-ID: Greg wrote: > Today I found that kcalc isn't installed. No problem I thought just do a apt-get install kcalc. Then I saw this: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs > gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 > kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 > libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 > liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network > libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql > libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 > libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 > libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins > libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig > raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon > Suggested packages: > kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc > phonon-backend-mplayer > The following NEW packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs > gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime > kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 > libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 > libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 > libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support > libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 > libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 > libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 > libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon > phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils > soprano-daemon > 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded. > Need to get 46.7MB of archives. > After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n > Abort. > > What the heck??? Why do I need gstreamer for a calculator? Something has to be wrong with the dependencies somewhere. > PS I am using intrepid. > > Thanks, @H.S.: # aptitude show kcalc Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.3), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.4), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libgmp3c2, libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) >From my /var/cache/apt/archives/ kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb kdebase-runtime-data-common_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu4~intrepid0_all.deb How can I have the runtime-data but not runtime??? How can I tell what packages I have installed?? @Derek Broughton: # apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded. @NoOp: I don't use gnome. I use KDE. It has been working fine until now. Does kcalc really need the kdebase-runtime? Thanks, Greg _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From hal at burgiss.net Fri Mar 20 22:44:50 2009 From: hal at burgiss.net (Hal Burgiss) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:44:50 -0400 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090320224450.GC5135@honey.resultsbydesign.com> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:34:24AM +0000, madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the > home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering > weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx > which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for > our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now > we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 > LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome Sent from BlackBerry® I would first look at hosted solutions. These are of course completely platform neutral, and have the added benefit of being able to work from home, or while traveling with no extra cost (or with a Blackberry). There is some really cool stuff going on with salesforce and basecamp, and probably others. Desktop centric applications are on life support. -- Hal From sundar.personal at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 23:23:15 2009 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:23:15 -0700 Subject: (unknown) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julio Argota wrote: > How I can know when a deamond is activated?. Example if a USB memory is > inserted ubuntu, more specific usbfs deamon, automount the memory and > open a nautylus windows. How I can performance a task when it happend. I > have a bash script whit the actions that I to do, but I don't know where > to place this. > > -- > Atte Julio N. Argota Q. You'll probably need to add to the udev rules (look under /etc/udev/rules.d). You can also look here for good starting info on how to do this for USB devices: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221 There's also a more detailed guide here: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html From hs.samix at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 23:47:07 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:47:07 -0400 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel I am not an accountant and do not know much about it. Having said that, would LedgerSMB (http://www.ledgersmb.org/) be interesting to you? It would be interesting to know your opinion about it from your point of view (your requirements vs what it provides and whether it is suitable for your needs). Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 00:49:14 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:49:14 -0600 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C4398A.6070009@gmail.com> H.S. wrote: > madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi folks ! >> Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome >> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >> > > I am not an accountant and do not know much about it. Having said that, > would LedgerSMB (http://www.ledgersmb.org/) be interesting to you? It > would be interesting to know your opinion about it from your point of > view (your requirements vs what it provides and whether it is suitable > for your needs). > > Regards. > > > You appear to work for someone somewhere, who for some reason wants to use Ubuntu, or, your trying to talk your boss into this. Either way asking a bunch of Ubuntu users what software works just like that on Windows is silly. There is no way we can do that. I use software written for Ubuntu to do my accounting and taxes and everything I need. But I only have to satisfy me. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 01:03:55 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <49C4398A.6070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <225979.25831.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Karl F. Larsen wrote: From: Karl F. Larsen Subject: Re: Open source alternative to tally To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 7:49 PM H.S. wrote: > madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi folks ! >> Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome >> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >> > > I am not an accountant and do not know much about it. Having said that, > would LedgerSMB (http://www.ledgersmb.org/) be interesting to you? It > would be interesting to know your opinion about it from your point of > view (your requirements vs what it provides and whether it is suitable > for your needs). > > Regards. > > > You appear to work for someone somewhere, who for some reason wants to use Ubuntu, or, your trying to talk your boss into this. Either way asking a bunch of Ubuntu users what software works just like that on Windows is silly. There is no way we can do that. I use software written for Ubuntu to do my accounting and taxes and everything I need. But I only have to satisfy me. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 Well, tell the OP just what you use as accounting is accounting whether it's windose or Linux. Who knows, it might be just what he needs and looking for. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 01:10:06 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:10:06 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 04:34 AM, madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accounting From hs.samix at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 01:10:34 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:10:34 -0400 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <49C4398A.6070009@gmail.com> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <49C4398A.6070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> > You appear to work for someone somewhere, who for some reason wants > to use Ubuntu, or, your trying to talk your boss into this. Either way No. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 21 01:27:02 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:27:02 -0700 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? Message-ID: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> I've got a jump drive that I use for nightly backup. I can't seem to get an accurate space left or used. The disk is /dev/sdb1 and the mount is /media/usbdisk. knute at knute4:~$ df -a Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 301717936 7192208 279199320 3% / tmpfs 1031008 0 1031008 0% /lib/init/rw /proc 0 0 0 - /proc sysfs 0 0 0 - /sys varrun 1031008 1000 1030008 1% /var/run varlock 1031008 0 1031008 0% /var/lock udev 1031008 2812 1028196 1% /dev tmpfs 1031008 0 1031008 0% /dev/shm devpts 0 0 0 - /dev/pts fusectl 0 0 0 - /sys/fs/fuse/connections securityfs 0 0 0 - /sys/kernel/security knute at knute4:~$ thanks very much. -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 21 02:01:14 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:01:14 -0400 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? In-Reply-To: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> Knute Johnson wrote: > I've got a jump drive that I use for nightly backup. I can't seem to > get an accurate space left or used. The disk is /dev/sdb1 and the mount > is /media/usbdisk. Well, it needs to be mounted when you run the command. Matt From thilts at mcsnet.ca Sat Mar 21 02:08:36 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:08:36 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 Message-ID: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. I want to know the optimal solution. The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I want.. Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will be changed to EXT3. The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the command umount "/media/sdc1" sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to be 512. BELOW is the man page synopsis: SYNOPSIS mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ blocks-count ] DESCRIPTION mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a disk partition). device is the spe? cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). blocks-count is the number of blocks on the device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a journal is created as if the -j option was specified. Thanks for any input -- Ted From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 01:27:45 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:27:45 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: Message-ID: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> Greg White wrote: > @H.S.: > # aptitude show kcalc > Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.3), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.4), libc6 (>= > 2.1.3), > libgmp3c2, libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), > libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) > > From my /var/cache/apt/archives/ > kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb > kdebase-runtime-data-common_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb > kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu4~intrepid0_all.deb > > How can I have the runtime-data but not runtime??? > How can I tell what packages I have installed?? No, that says you have those packages in the cache - not that they're installed. # aptitude show kdebase-runtime-data would tell you if it's installed > @Derek Broughton: > # apt-get -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded. Bingo. That's telling you that you still have 31 packages waiting to be upgraded. Like "gstreamer"... > > @NoOp: > I don't use gnome. I use KDE. It has been working fine until now. I beg to differ - you _have_ gnome packages installed. Nothing KDE asks for "gvfs". You don't need to have the Gnome desktop installed - just one gnome package will start pulling in those dependencies. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 01:23:29 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:23:29 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: <20090320124919.0c77746a@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1623895.5Ys82XXRC1@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > I suspect that it comes from the dependency of kdebase-runtime & not > having the kde base packages installed: It can't - the extra packages are mostly related to gstreamer - which isn't a KDE package. -- derek From res at ausics.net Sat Mar 21 02:18:47 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:18:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: PPTP anomaly Message-ID: Firstly, this isn't a "it's broken", everything still works just dandy, it's more of a curiosity thing... I note on Ubuntu something is caching and not releasing IP details. I'll use my laptop as example, intranet dhcp assigned IP of 10.99.99.14 works great, now disable wireless, shutdown, travel to where ever, boot, no net (OK that's good) dialin to Internet, works great... VPN IP range is 10.99.99.201-250, this works as indicated on XP laptops, but on Ubuntu laptops it returns you to the previous dhcp issued address, logout vpn, logout of dialin, reboot, repeat process, same thing, my vpn IP is 10.99.99.14, far outside the above "remote-ip" range, as above everything still works, but I thought it rather odd that it gets this IP still, also my laptop boots into XP pro, Slackware 12.2 and Fedora 10, *none* of them have this problem, only Ubuntu... another staffers dual boot laptop does same (I actually found this issue by auditing her) keeping its last dhcp IP, unless booted into XP when it gets a correct vpn assigned IP. (vpn server is not the same hardware as dhcp server) Anyone seen anything like this? Cheers -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From hs.samix at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 02:23:07 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:23:07 -0400 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg White wrote: > Greg wrote: > > @H.S.: > # aptitude show kcalc > Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.3), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.4), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), > libgmp3c2, libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libqtgui4 (>= > 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) > > From my /var/cache/apt/archives/ > kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb > kdebase-runtime-data-common_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb > kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu4~intrepid0_all.deb > > How can I have the runtime-data but not runtime??? > How can I tell what packages I have installed?? > > @Derek Broughton: > # apt-get -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded. That's it! Do the upgrade of the packages standing by. Use "sudo aptitude -f install". Then try installing kcalc again. This time you will get only kcalc. > @NoOp: > I don't use gnome. I use KDE. It has been working fine until now. Doesn't matter if you use it or not. If there is anything Gnome related installed, its related package will continue to be upgraded. > Does kcalc really need the kdebase-runtime? If the information shown by apt-cache says so, then yes. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 02:25:43 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:25:43 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090320125454.173245f6@infinity.localnet> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237300442.8266.375.camel@smoot.tic.com> <29470326.FnjMItLIDY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090317191203.GD10683@joshh.co.uk> <49C23BB7.6040707@deri.org> <1237501383.4758.61.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191529g1a8c4524j351a2e12b06defc2@mail.gmail.com> <1237502447.4758.76.camel@chronic> <20090320125454.173245f6@infinity.localnet> Message-ID: <1237602343.4758.138.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 12:54 +0000, R Kimber wrote: > I've no idea why you think that. And 10 years experience in user support and application development. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 02:27:25 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:27:25 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237602445.4758.139.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > _This_ is supposed to be the users list. Such things _should_ be > mentioned > here. "Ubuntu user technical *support*, not for general discussions" From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 02:28:06 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:28:06 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > "The wiki" has never, to my knowledge, been the primary distribution > channel for informing users about potential changes. *Blueprints* have been the primary channel to announce and discuss changes for ages From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 02:32:02 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:32:02 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <8978137.ITOmHYsvar@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <880dece00903191519m7e3bf5fhf2a6f84f66c2e7ef@mail.gmail.com> <1237502297.4758.74.camel@chronic> <8978137.ITOmHYsvar@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237602722.4758.143.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:40 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > OK, that's another issue - why is launchpad exclusively https? I > don't (_can't_) just browse launchpad, because - via my satellite > internet connection - https is far too slow. Valid point AFAICT. My guess is that's, again AFAICT, because all of Launchpad, wiki.ubuntu.com, and help.ubuntu.com is https, probably in anticipation of Ubuntu becoming important and thus in need to ensure people are not misled by false information. From kapil.network at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 02:53:23 2009 From: kapil.network at gmail.com (kapil singh kushwah) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:23:23 +0530 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hello, Trt this, I think it may be one of the best solution for you http://www.sql-ledger.org/ an open source accounting ERP system providing a good web user interface. it is Platform independent. I do not know very much about accounting software but if you are familiar with Tally you can easily learn this. -- Regards Kapil singh Kushwah Linux System Administrator Hotwax Media Inc., Indore 09907514840 www.hotwaxmedia.com From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 03:24:54 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:24:54 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237605894.4758.148.camel@chronic> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > _This_ is supposed to be the users list. Such things _should_ be > mentioned here. Just wanted to add that AFAICT that's what devel-discuss is for. From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 21 03:44:06 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:44:06 -0700 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? In-Reply-To: <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49C46286.2060103@knutejohnson.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Knute Johnson wrote: >> I've got a jump drive that I use for nightly backup. I can't seem to >> get an accurate space left or used. The disk is /dev/sdb1 and the mount >> is /media/usbdisk. > > Well, it needs to be mounted when you run the command. > > Matt > I know that and it is. -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 03:48:23 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:48:23 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <880dece00903201126p46010707re35087fdbbf37fa8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903201126p46010707re35087fdbbf37fa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/20/2009 11:26 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I agree that they are free to run what they please, however, from > experience most users who ask for AV on Linux are doing so out of > habit, not need. What would you say to a new user who asks how to > install IE on Linux? Would you recommend that he browse with IE 6 in > Wine as his primary web browser? > I suppose that just about anyone here can wag 'experience' appendages if they think it is of value. Mine is not, but for the record: Over 35 years in technical roles - from engineering to tech support and project management including support and design of government voice and data encryption systems, microcode programming for US government satellites, 47 global private and public networks installed (by me any my staff) in over 33 countries (with technologies ranging from Token Bus (the new term is cable networks) Token Ring, X.75, X.25, LAN/Ethernet, ATM (including contributing design management of a ISP capable ATM switch for a Fortune 500 company), DSL, etc., and the past 6 years in professional tech consulting for my customers with Windows, and more recently (2 years) Linux systems. None of that means squat, nor does it answer the question that the OP asked. With regards to your question: I'd recommend IEs4linux if they actually need to use IE on linux. The alternative suggestion would be to run Windows in a virtual environment (VirtuaBox for instance) as IMO Wine is simply too unreliable. Now, had the OP posed a question as to his/her problem with installing IE on Wine and/or linux I'd do my best to try an answer the question & provide, what I consider, helpful links for doing so. If by some chance I think that the OP of the question is so confused and out of their realm of experience, then I try to: 1) ask why they are attempting to do what they are doing, and 2) try to point to alternatives and/or FAQs/links that might be of help. I try not to second guess (and am not always sucessful at this) why the OP is trying to install something. Had the OP asked something along the lines of "I'm new, I can't install an AV", etc., then I would have stayed silent regarding this silly side thread. But the OP didn't: he asked a question about installation of an application, simple as that. @Bart: I reckon that in the future if I ask about installing an accounting, graphics, CAD, other, package you'll be sure to advise on which ALTERNATIVE things I should use instead? Further I never stated that there is an issue with pointing out "alternatives or possibilities not considered". You know that, so does everyone else on the list. I objected to side-winders (sub-threaders) that totally ignored the OP's question and drifted off in their own little wonderland as to why one should or should not install an AV on a linux system. @Lucio: Give it a rest. I killfiled Karsten & crew several years ago - he kept spamming my email address with his spam auto-reporting bot. Got an answer to the OP's question? Post it. If not, then start a new thread. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 04:21:13 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:21:13 -0300 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: > This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. > > I want to know the optimal solution. > The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. > The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. > The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I > want.. > Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. > While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. > Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will > be changed to EXT3. > > The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be > applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the > command umount "/media/sdc1" > > sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 > > and then mount the HD.  Also, is there anything I have missed? > > I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to > be 512. > > BELOW is the man page synopsis: > > SYNOPSIS >      mke2fs  [  -c  |  -l  filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f > fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >      bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] > [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n  ]  [ >      -m  reserved-blocks-percentage  ]  [  -o creator-os ] [ -O > feature[,...]  ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >      level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] > [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >      ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] > >      mke2fs  -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n > ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >      blocks-count ] > > DESCRIPTION >      mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a > disk partition).  device is the  spe? >      cial  file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). > blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >      device.  If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system > size.  If called  as  mkfs.ext3  a >      journal is created as if the -j option was specified. > > > Thanks for any input -- Ted > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > (Since there were no replies for your twin postings up to now...) Would you consider the use of a graphical application like Gparted? -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From thilts at mcsnet.ca Sat Mar 21 05:37:50 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:37:50 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C47D2E.1080106@mcsnet.ca> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: > >> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >> >> I want to know the optimal solution. >> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >> want.. >> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >> be changed to EXT3. >> >> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >> command umount "/media/sdc1" >> >> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >> >> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >> >> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >> be 512. >> >> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >> >> SYNOPSIS >> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >> >> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >> blocks-count ] >> >> DESCRIPTION >> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >> disk partition). device is the spe? >> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >> >> >> Thanks for any input -- Ted >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> > > (Since there were no replies for your twin postings up to now...) > > Would you consider the use of a graphical application like Gparted? > > I want to use the entire hard drive as ext3 format. My concern is that web pages are usually small even the big web pages. The last time I formatted a Linux hard drive it was okay to specify block size as 512 but that seems not legal anymore. And then there is also the inodes. So I thought that maybe someone with a bit more experience on this issue might either agree or make some recommendations. That is the reason I provided all the information so they knew the size of the hard drive as well as the kind of data to be stored on the hard drive. I can't possibly believe that there are no experienced Ubuntu people on the list that could agree with or suggest better options than those I suggested. I tried the Ubuntu documentation but could not find these questions explained. In the past (some time back) I would just leave the block size to be the default and would not consider it an issue and I would set inodes as shown. But this time I wanted to make sure that I was creating an optimal solution. So that's the story and I hope someone out there can either agree with my solution or offer better formatting options. Thanks -- Ted From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 05:56:13 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:56:13 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> Ted Hilts wrote: > This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. > > I want to know the optimal solution. > The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. > The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. > The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I > want.. > Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. > While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. > Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will > be changed to EXT3. > > The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be > applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the > command umount "/media/sdc1" > > sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 > > and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? > > I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to > be 512. > > BELOW is the man page synopsis: > > SYNOPSIS > mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f > fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i > bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] > [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ > -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O > feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- > level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] > [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S > ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] > > mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n > ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ > blocks-count ] > > DESCRIPTION > mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a > disk partition). device is the spe? > cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). > blocks-count is the number of blocks on the > device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system > size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a > journal is created as if the -j option was specified. > > > Thanks for any input -- Ted > Hello, The only thing I'm seeing so far, is that you are using hda1 when the disk was mounted at /media/sdc1, and those don't point at the same kind of disk. The use of hda1 is for IDE disks, and would have pointed at the first partition on disk one of the IDE interface, while your sdc1 points to an scsi drive at position 3, partition 1, I believe. Use "df -h" to be certain of the drive designations you should use. Your -i 1024 is too large of a number for inode size as is explained in the following copy from - [begin quote] "fdisk will tell you how many blocks there are on the disk. If you make a file system on the disk, say with mke2fs, then this filesystem needs some space for bookkeeping - typically something like 4% of the file system size, more if you ask for a lot of inodes during mke2fs. For example: || # sfdisk -s /dev/hda9 4095976 # mke2fs -i 1024 /dev/hda9 mke2fs 1.12, 9-Jul-98 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 ... 204798 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user ... # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere # df /somewhere Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda9 3574475 13 3369664 0% /mnt # df -i /somewhere Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on /dev/hda9 4096000 11 4095989 0% /mnt # We have a partition with 4095976 blocks, make an ext2 filesystem on it, mount it somewhere and find that it only has 3574475 blocks - 521501 blocks (12%) was lost to inodes and other bookkeeping. Note that the difference between the total 3574475 and the 3369664 available to the user are the 13 blocks in use plus the 204798 blocks reserved for root. This latter number can be changed by tune2fs. This `-i 1024' is only reasonable for news spools and the like, with lots and lots of small files. The default would be: || # mke2fs /dev/hda9 # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere # df /somewhere Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda9 3958475 13 3753664 0% /mnt # df -i /somewhere Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on /dev/hda9 1024000 11 1023989 0% /mnt # Now only 137501 blocks (3.3%) are used for inodes, so that we have 384 MB more than before. (Apparently, each inode takes 128 bytes.) On the other hand, this filesystem can have at most 1024000 files (more than enough), against 4096000 (too much) earlier." [end quote] NOTE: The man page for make.ext2 states that the default inode size is 256 so the 128 quoted in the above article excerpt seems to be currently incorrect. here's a quote from the man page for mkfs.ext2 [begin quote] -I inode-size Specify the size of each inode in bytes. mke2fs creates 256-byte inodes by default. In kernels after 2.6.10 and some earlier vendor kernels it is possible to utilize inodes larger than 128-bytes to store extended attributes for improved performance. The inode-size value must be a power of two larger or equal to 128. The larger the inode-size the more space the inode table will consume, and this reduces the usable space in the filesystem and can also negatively impact performance. Extended attributes stored in large inodes are not visible with older kernels, and such filesystems will not be mountable with 2.4 kernels at all. [end quote] So, it appears to be a trade off between usable file space, number of possible files, and performance when specifying the inode sizes, with the inability to use the file system with earlier kernels at all, when specifying larger inode sizes. This may not be a problem for you, as I see that the kernels for Hardy right now are in the 2.6 range, so are not affected by this consideration. If you want to use the smaller 128 size, you will need to specify it with -i, otherwise it seems appropriate to use the default 256 size. I also have not seen any reference to a need to unmount the drive before formatting it anywhere. That's what I could find out. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 06:05:10 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:05:10 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C47D2E.1080106@mcsnet.ca> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C47D2E.1080106@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C48396.7040107@cmc.net> Ted Hilts wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Ted Hilts wrote: >> >> >>> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >>> >>> I want to know the optimal solution. >>> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >>> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >>> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >>> want.. >>> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >>> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >>> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >>> be changed to EXT3. >>> >>> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >>> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >>> command umount "/media/sdc1" >>> >>> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >>> >>> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >>> >>> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >>> be 512. >>> >>> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >>> >>> SYNOPSIS >>> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >>> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >>> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >>> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >>> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >>> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >>> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >>> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >>> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >>> >>> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >>> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >>> blocks-count ] >>> >>> DESCRIPTION >>> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >>> disk partition). device is the spe? >>> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >>> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >>> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >>> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >>> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any input -- Ted >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >>> >>> >>> >> (Since there were no replies for your twin postings up to now...) >> >> Would you consider the use of a graphical application like Gparted? >> >> >> > I want to use the entire hard drive as ext3 format. My concern is that > web pages are usually small even the big web pages. The last time I > formatted a Linux hard drive it was okay to specify block size as 512 > but that seems not legal anymore. And then there is also the inodes. So > I thought that maybe someone with a bit more experience on this issue > might either agree or make some recommendations. That is the reason I > provided all the information so they knew the size of the hard drive as > well as the kind of data to be stored on the hard drive. I can't > possibly believe that there are no experienced Ubuntu people on the > list that could agree with or suggest better options than those I > suggested. I tried the Ubuntu documentation but could not find these > questions explained. In the past (some time back) I would just leave the > block size to be the default and would not consider it an issue and I > would set inodes as shown. But this time I wanted to make sure that I > was creating an optimal solution. > > So that's the story and I hope someone out there can either agree with > my solution or offer better formatting options. > > Thanks -- Ted > Hello again, Just so you know, the recommendations I made in my previous post, are all based on what I just read in the docs while researching your question. My only actual experience with formatting a Linux file system, was obtained during the installation of my current Ubuntu operating system, and as such was done at a time when I did not understand a damn thing about Linux. Since then I've been studying Linux and Ubuntu intensively on a daily basis, and have learned quite a bit, maybe most importantly, where to find the docs to look things up what I want to know. 8-) So... you may want to wait to see if any more experienced users weigh in with their opinions as well, before taking final action. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 06:54:23 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:54:23 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Greg White wrote: > > >> @H.S.: >> # aptitude show kcalc >> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.3), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.4), libc6 (>= >> 2.1.3), >> libgmp3c2, libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), >> libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) >> >> From my /var/cache/apt/archives/ >> kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb >> kdebase-runtime-data-common_4%3a4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1_all.deb >> kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3_4%3a3.5.10-0ubuntu4~intrepid0_all.deb >> >> How can I have the runtime-data but not runtime??? >> How can I tell what packages I have installed? >> Hello, There are a couple of ways to tell what packages you have installed, One is a quick command line trick that polls your /usr/share/ folder for package names which have been installed, and their installation dates, and sorts them by install date. It is as follows - cd /usr/share/ find -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f %T+\n' | sort -s -t ' ' -k 2.1nr -k 2.6n -k 2.9n -k 2.12r -k 2.15 -k 2.18 > ~/installed.txt Note that the second command is one long line which wraps to the second line in here. Open ~/installed.txt with your favorite text editor to view it. There may also be one or two packages found at /opt, /etc/opt, and/or /usr/share/applications/ as well. On my system, there is the real [real player] package at /opt/, nothing at /etc/opt/, and kde, screensavers, and kde4 at /usr/share/applications/ with everything else showing in /usr/share/. To get just the alphabetically sorted package names installed use - cd /usr/share ls -a --group-directories-first > ~/packages.txt You can also open the following file and look through it. It includes the names of all installed packages, along with their descriptions, dependencies, versions, install dates, and other details. This file is huge usually, and could take quite a while to browse through. Or, install apt-show-versions and run it to get a list of the packages installed and their versions on your system. apt-show-versions > ~/pkgversions.txt To see which packages need updating run the following apt-show-versions -u You can also open Synaptic Package Manager, and use the History menu item to access a date and time sorted view of all packages installed on your system. This interface allows you to view them in drop down lists for each date and time installed. Packages you installed at the same time will be grouped together, and a later download the same day will be in another grouping in it's own drop down list. I haven't studied the dpkg command yet, but I'm pretty sure it also offers a way or two to examine your installed packages as well. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 07:01:20 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:01:20 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903201126p46010707re35087fdbbf37fa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903210001t3723fe4v682b8b4caaa370de@mail.gmail.com> > With regards to your question: I'd recommend IEs4linux if they actually > need to use IE on linux. Would you not consider perceived need as opposed to actual need? Would you not even suggest that the user consider Firefox fo browsing on Linux? Many users think IE==Internet. I've seen it. These same users think that all computer need virus protection. Sometimes being a good parent means giving what they need, not what they ask for. >  If by some chance I think that the OP of the question is so confused > and out of their realm of experience, then I try to: 1) ask why they are > attempting to do what they are doing This is why I said that I should have asked. I really should have. But the assumption that the OP _really_needs_ AV is no more valid than the assumption that he just does not know better. > Had the OP asked something along the lines of "I'm new, I can't install > an AV", etc., then I would have stayed silent regarding this silly side > thread. But the OP didn't: he asked a question about installation of an > application, simple as that. > Should I start prepending my list queries with "I'm new" just to get better advice? Of the various lists that I subscribe to, your advice and recommendations are among the most valuable. I want to learn from you as much as I can. I hope that you are not withholding your better judgment when you help me! Please, if you see me doing something wrong, let me know! > Got > an answer to the OP's question? Post it. If not, then start a new thread. > That might be a good solution, with the OP cc'ed. Better yet would be a link to one of the hundreds of threads in which the topic in question had been discussed, with a small note that what he want _might_ not be what he needs. I have recently learned of the term "bikeshedding" which I think clearly applies here. Every list member wants to help, but there are so few threads that are at a level in which everyone can help. So when an easy target like this comes along, all the experts come out. This thread has answered the OP's question, and many others that he did not ask, and has deteriorated to policy-making. Let's just quit here. Any colour bikeshed will do. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From claudiu.vlad at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 08:23:14 2009 From: claudiu.vlad at gmail.com (claudiu vlad) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:23:14 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <880dece00903201322x7e523cx957b21c087dfb7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> <49C3F4EE.6000503@gmail.com> <880dece00903201322x7e523cx957b21c087dfb7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237623794.30799.2.camel@apollo64> În data de Vi, 20-03-2009 la 22:22 +0200, Dotan Cohen a scris: > > Hi, and I fixed Grub so it boots normally the older kernel. I did > > submit a bug and the bug has been worked by the kernel crew. They found > > the problem with -11 and know how to fix it. It should be good in the > > first Jaunty :-) > > > > Thanks, Karl, that's great! What is the URL of the bug? > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > From claudiu.vlad at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 08:26:54 2009 From: claudiu.vlad at gmail.com (claudiu vlad) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:26:54 +0200 Subject: Mouse cursor and screen corruption in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <880dece00903201322x7e523cx957b21c087dfb7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1237527219.10505.6.camel@apollo64> <880dece00903200446o67d9767dha9dfd9ff196e62dd@mail.gmail.com> <1237576065.9552.1.camel@apollo64> <49C3F4EE.6000503@gmail.com> <880dece00903201322x7e523cx957b21c087dfb7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237624014.30799.6.camel@apollo64> Unfortunately, I had the same graphics corruption problem, even with the -10 kernel and with the -9 kernel. Fortunately, I have opened the case and cleaned up the THICK dust on the 7300 nvidia graphic card and now it works beautifully. I also have removed and cleaned up the dusty DDR memory sticks. I am sorry for reporting a false one. Cheers, În data de Vi, 20-03-2009 la 22:22 +0200, Dotan Cohen a scris: > > Hi, and I fixed Grub so it boots normally the older kernel. I did > > submit a bug and the bug has been worked by the kernel crew. They found > > the problem with -11 and know how to fix it. It should be good in the > > first Jaunty :-) > > > > Thanks, Karl, that's great! What is the URL of the bug? > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > From fedora.postfix at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 08:28:17 2009 From: fedora.postfix at gmail.com (postfix postfix) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:28:17 +0400 Subject: help regarding postfix Message-ID: <99b32db10903210128o414a1b2x26e345ae7f3321e1@mail.gmail.com> hello guys, i am new for ubuntu,postfix i am having some problem can ne 1 help me out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From kassube at gmx.net Sat Mar 21 09:13:35 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:13:35 +0100 Subject: help regarding postfix In-Reply-To: <99b32db10903210128o414a1b2x26e345ae7f3321e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <99b32db10903210128o414a1b2x26e345ae7f3321e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903211013.35391.kassube@gmx.net> postfix postfix wrote: > i am new for ubuntu,postfix i am having some problem can ne 1 help me > out You might get some help if you provide detailed information about your problem. Nils From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Mar 21 10:12:07 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:12:07 +0100 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. > I know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so > where do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 > Previous registered license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 > Enter license number: > > > as far as I can see, you are using the _free" license as your licensed numer states. With mine, it is just the same. So use this sudo avggui, update your virus database and then scan what you are about to scan. Kind regards Eberhard From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 10:45:37 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:45:37 -0700 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:25 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Well, it _isn't_ really different. You're always welcome to create >> your own project, but if you want to join anybody else's project, the >> process is not much different from getting into kernel development - >> it's just that the bar is lower. >> > > Yeah, that#s what I actually meant to say, thanks for clarity. This "noob" found the quote below just the other day in the Ubuntu help files, and it impressed me mightily. Maybe the rest of you could have a look at it now. 8-) > Ubuntu is a South African ethical ideology focusing on people's > allegiances and relations with each other. The word comes from the > Zulu and Xhosa languages. Ubuntu (pronounced "oo-BOON-too") is seen as > a traditional African concept, is regarded as one of the founding > principles of the new republic of South Africa and is connected to the > idea of an African Renaissance. > > A rough translation of the principle of Ubuntu is "humanity towards > others". Another translation could be: "the belief in a universal > bond of sharing that connects all humanity". > > "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming > of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for > he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he > or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are > humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed." > > Archbishop Desmond Tutu > > As a platform based on Linux, the Ubuntu operating system brings the > spirit of ubuntu to the software world. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 10:46:02 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:46:02 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: Is there a partiton size limit?) References: <49BD7943.9080802@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151506k35b70f8p1cb703ab2822b7b4@mail.gmail.com> <49BD8B6D.3080609@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903151632j550e58ebxac72df1996a4a77f@mail.gmail.com> <49BD96FC.5010506@comcast.net> <49BEE2D6.7000807@cmc.net> <49C0B8AB.4090809@cmc.net> <49C1809C.7040409@cmc.net> <49C37B41.9090909@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:17:21 -0700, Ray Parrish posted: > Thorny wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:15:40 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: >> >>> If you insist on pressing this minor issue, then I can easily fix it, >>> by establishing a filter to sort your posts to the trash, and you will >>> never experience the "problem" again. >>> >>> >>> >> Okay Ray, I don't mind if you plonk me. >> >> I gave you the opportunity to learn, as always it is up to you whether >> or not you choose to. >> > Learn what? Your preferences for posting? That you're paranoid that > someone else might think you were being given an answer, when it should > have been obvious I was talking to the person that asked the question? > > Sorry, but it was a real "splitting hairs" type of complaint. I'm willing > to learn anything you might actually teach me about Ubuntu, but I actually > already have a pretty good grasp on threading from about 20 years of > participating in groups, beginning in the days of group access via 2400 > baud modem to the local bbs. > > Your suggestion to the OP was related to why I was giving him set up tips > for Thunderbird, and the reason I included your post in my reply to him. > I'm sure no one with a reading comprehension level above that of a first > grader thought I ws actually talking to you. > > Anyway, that's enough of this, let's get back to the technical aspects of > Linux and Ubuntu, instead of wasting bandwidth, and archive space on > trivial matters. > > Later, Ray Parrish If the three of us were discussing this in a room and he asked a question, would you turn to face me and answer him? It's not about paranoia, it's about threading of posts that are archived and may at some later time be searched. My beard is grey too Ray. Besides, I thought you were going to killfile me, that's what you threatened in your last flame. I wouldn't try to teach you anything about Ubuntu, you seem to know it all. Regards From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 11:22:18 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:22:18 -0700 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:03:24 -0400, Bart Silverstrim posted: [...] > But I don't want to perpetuate the belief that A) AV are essential on > Linux >[...] +1 to that From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 11:51:44 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:51:44 -0600 Subject: Open source alternative to tally In-Reply-To: References: <636471002-1237548867-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2069367552-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <49C4398A.6070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C4D4D0.10702@gmail.com> H.S. wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >>> >>> >> You appear to work for someone somewhere, who for some reason wants >> to use Ubuntu, or, your trying to talk your boss into this. Either way >> > > No. > > > > What then? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 12:30:54 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:30:54 -0700 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> <49C46286.2060103@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:44:06 -0700, Knute Johnson posted: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> Knute Johnson wrote: >>> I've got a jump drive that I use for nightly backup. I can't seem to >>> get an accurate space left or used. The disk is /dev/sdb1 and the >>> mount is /media/usbdisk. >> >> Well, it needs to be mounted when you run the command. >> >> Matt >> >> > I know that and it is. I think Matthew's point was that it doesn't appear to be from the output you showed us, even though you told us it was. Are you sure it's mounted, can you navigate to it and read files? What is the output of the command, mount? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 12:37:27 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:37:27 +0100 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237639047.5474.7.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 03:45 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Mario Vukelic wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:25 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: We did write that, but on sounder :) From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 13:43:48 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:43:48 -0700 Subject: Community V. "Community References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:45:37 -0700, Ray Parrish posted: > Mario Vukelic wrote: >> On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:25 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> Well, it _isn't_ really different. You're always welcome to create >>> your own project, but if you want to join anybody else's project, the >>> process is not much different from getting into kernel development - >>> it's just that the bar is lower. >>> >>> >> Yeah, that#s what I actually meant to say, thanks for clarity. > > > This "noob" found the quote below just the other day in the Ubuntu help > files, and it impressed me mightily. Maybe the rest of you could have a > look at it now. 8-) > [... stuff about Ubuntu ideology] Ray, I was having a hard time finding the thread this reply was supposed to be in reference to but and I thought it might have something to do with the fact we have already established that you and I differ on threading. Mario's post cleared that up for me. However, why do you think the rest of us haven't read that quote. Isn't it a long established practise to read documentation previous to installing an operating system? I know I did. At the risk of another of your flames, I would suggest that your subject line could have been worded more clearly. I do agree with you that it is a good thing to read. Regards From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 14:00:34 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:00:34 -0700 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) References: <49C3F688.4060403@gmail.com> <49C3F955.90205@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:15:17 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > I have a rather old Brother model HL-1440 and I have connected to it > with a parallel port plug for the past several years. But I bought a few > USB plugs at the Dollar Store for one dollar a piece. One of the plugs > had the normal USB on one end and a very small more square plug on the > other end. > > To my great pleasure it fit the plug on the printer! So I unplugged > the big heavy parallel port cable and used the USB cable and told the > printer driver in Ubuntu to look for a USB port and it worked perfect in > every way. > > You might look at the back of your printer :-) > > Karl, what you might be referring to is a USB "A" to "B" M/M cable if on that end it is sort of rectangular with a couple of rounded off corners at the top(best description I can come up with without a picture but USB printers and scanners often use them) From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 03:31:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:31:20 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602445.4758.139.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <5486471.YP6L0F8j59@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> _This_ is supposed to be the users list. Such things _should_ be >> mentioned >> here. > > > > "Ubuntu user technical *support*, > not for general discussions" Your point? We're talking about an actual Ubuntu (well, Linux in general) feature - which is going to be removed. It is very much an Ubuntu User issue and not a "general discussion". -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 03:31:43 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:31:43 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> "The wiki" has never, to my knowledge, been the primary distribution >> channel for informing users about potential changes. > > *Blueprints* have been the primary channel to announce and discuss > changes for ages Then show me where a new user is going to find that out? -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 14:27:47 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:27:47 -0600 Subject: Usb parallel adaptor weird problem (pl2305) In-Reply-To: References: <49C3F688.4060403@gmail.com> <49C3F955.90205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C4F963.6020703@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:15:17 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > > >> I have a rather old Brother model HL-1440 and I have connected to it >> with a parallel port plug for the past several years. But I bought a few >> USB plugs at the Dollar Store for one dollar a piece. One of the plugs >> had the normal USB on one end and a very small more square plug on the >> other end. >> >> To my great pleasure it fit the plug on the printer! So I unplugged >> the big heavy parallel port cable and used the USB cable and told the >> printer driver in Ubuntu to look for a USB port and it worked perfect in >> every way. >> >> You might look at the back of your printer :-) >> >> >> > Karl, what you might be referring to is a USB "A" to "B" M/M cable if > on that end it is sort of rectangular with a couple of rounded off corners > at the top(best description I can come up with without a picture but USB > printers and scanners often use them) > > > Yes that is the one. I got it by accident and was amazed when it worked! Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From jrh at joshh.co.uk Sat Mar 21 14:44:38 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:44:38 +0000 Subject: Is there a partiton size limit? In-Reply-To: <84250c9c0903180327g2bc75122uc43ca40188d4ecc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49BEAE85.8090809@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161428l388045d1x6b997942cfd73377@mail.gmail.com> <49BECF7C.1060403@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903161735t462961c2oc9245a96d2c5bdce@mail.gmail.com> <49BF112D.2090303@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903170323m19e90c8av38a6c473cc4b3772@mail.gmail.com> <49C006A7.20607@comcast.net> <84250c9c0903171358j7b2e270bn7ea1ffe6cfd8958f@mail.gmail.com> <84250c9c0903180327g2bc75122uc43ca40188d4ecc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090321144438.GA21407@joshh.co.uk> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:27:26AM -0300, Norberto Bensa wrote: > And the "new file type" is? I'm guessing he means ext4. -- Josh Holland http://joshh.co.uk madmartian on irc.freenode.net From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 14:53:24 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:53:24 +0100 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237647204.5474.27.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 06:43 -0700, Thorny wrote: > I would suggest that your subject > line could have been worded more clearly. The thread existed with this subject line on sounder, and people reading that will understand. It was just an innocent mistake of Ray's while wrestling with sounder's reply settings, which differ from ubuntu-users (and which trip me up frequently, too) From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 14:54:46 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:54:46 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <5486471.YP6L0F8j59@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602445.4758.139.camel@chronic> <5486471.YP6L0F8j59@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237647286.5474.28.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 00:31 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Your point? It is not a *support* issue, nobody is being helped here. The discussion should have been led (and *was*, for those who cared) on devel-discuss weeks ago. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 14:55:36 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:55:36 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 00:31 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Then show me where a new user is going to find that out? Quoting from my post to sounder: "And yet I, who probably is much less active, have known about them for years. I mean, it should be pretty clear that Launchpad is the central place to contribute to Ubuntu, and its front page menu shows the following items: Launchpad Home / Code / Bugs / Blueprints / Translations / Answers Searching for "contribute" on ubuntu.com gives me the following links: 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/Contribute 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate I didn't check, but I am pretty confident that blueprints or at least Launchpad are mentioned somewhere there or on the pages they link to." From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 21 15:07:32 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:07:32 -0600 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:55:36 +0100 Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 00:31 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Then show me where a new user is going to find that out? > > Quoting from my post to sounder: > > "And yet I, who probably is much less active, have known about them > for years. I mean, it should be pretty clear that Launchpad is the > central place to contribute to Ubuntu, and its front page menu shows > the following items: > > Launchpad Home / Code / Bugs / Blueprints / Translations / Answers > > Searching for "contribute" on ubuntu.com gives me the following links: > 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/Contribute > 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate > > I didn't check, but I am pretty confident that blueprints or at least > Launchpad are mentioned somewhere there or on the pages they link to." > > I did check. The only mention of blueprints is on [2] above, where I am told to present my ideas to Brainstorm. /quote/ Ubuntu Brainstorm Brainstorm is a special web site where everyone can participate. It is full of ideas on how to improve Ubuntu. Once ideas mature, they move on to become Specs, which are detailed blueprints of future Ubuntu features. Anyone can suggest new ideas and the community votes to show which ideas are the most important. /end quote/ Specs is linked to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs , which apparently is the blueprints. So, I guess in a roundabout way, they are _mentioned_ even if the average user probably would not think to look there. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 14:28:53 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:28:53 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > There are a couple of ways to tell what packages you have installed, One > is a quick command line trick that polls your /usr/share/ folder for > package names which have been installed, and their installation dates, > and sorts them by install date. It is as follows - > > cd /usr/share/ > find -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f %T+\n' | sort -s -t ' ' -k 2.1nr > -k 2.6n -k 2.9n -k 2.12r -k 2.15 -k 2.18 > ~/installed.txt Ugh! What a horrible way to find your packages. If you _do_ find anything that's not actually from an Ubuntu package you're not likely to have a clue how it was installed anyway, and if it is from an Ubuntu package, using apt/dpkg is better. > Note that the second command is one long line which wraps to the second > line in here. If you want to show a command spanning multiple lines, it's usually best to do: find -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f %T+\n' | \ sort -s -t ' ' -k 2.1nr -k 2.6n -k 2.9n -k 2.12r -k 2.15 -k 2.18 \ > ~/installed.txt because that can be cut and pasted (\ at the end of a shell command line continues on a new line). > There may also be one or two packages found at /opt, /etc/opt, > and/or /usr/share/applications/ as well. On my system, there is the real > [real player] package at /opt/, nothing at /etc/opt/, and kde, > screensavers, and kde4 at /usr/share/applications/ with everything else > showing in /usr/share/. If your software is properly behaved, the only place you should find anything that was not installed from packages is in either /opt or /usr/local. Definitely _not_ in /etc/opt. > To get just the alphabetically sorted package names installed use - # dpkg --get-selections -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 14:16:54 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:16:54 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237605894.4758.148.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <2366115.zN7RLOTrKS@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:36 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> _This_ is supposed to be the users list. Such things _should_ be >> mentioned here. > > Just wanted to add that AFAICT that's what devel-discuss is for. This is the _users_ list. We're not developers - the whole problem we're discussing here is that developer decisions are made without user input. If you insist that the discussion ONLY happen on the devel lists, then that simply formalizes the disconnect. -- derek From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 15:16:34 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:16:34 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1237648594.5474.36.camel@chronic> Can we continue this on sounder, it really does not belong here. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 15:20:35 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:20:35 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <2366115.zN7RLOTrKS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237605894.4758.148.camel@chronic> <2366115.zN7RLOTrKS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237648835.5474.40.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:16 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > This is the _users_ list. We're not developers - the whole problem we're > discussing here is that developer decisions are made without user input. > If you insist that the discussion ONLY happen on the devel lists, then that > simply formalizes the disconnect. Dude, devel-discuss is for discussion of future development and meant as a place to facilitate discussion between users and devs. "* Sharing of experiences with the current development branch of Ubuntu * Technical questions about new features in the development branch * Ideas and suggestions about future development of Ubuntu * Point of contact for Ubuntu users to reach Ubuntu developers * Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for non-subscribers" https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss This here is a list for users to receive technical support by other users: ""Ubuntu user *****technical****support*****, not for general discussions"" Am I clear enough or do I have to dance it for you? From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 15:22:27 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:22:27 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1237648947.5474.41.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:07 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > I did check. The only mention of blueprints is on [2] above, where I am > told to present my ideas to Brainstorm. Pity. But it's a wiki, why don't you add it? From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 21 15:43:13 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:43:13 -0600 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <1237648947.5474.41.camel@chronic> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> <1237648947.5474.41.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <20090321094313.5fa3947b@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:22:27 +0100 Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:07 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > I did check. The only mention of blueprints is on [2] above, where > > I am told to present my ideas to Brainstorm. > > Pity. But it's a wiki, why don't you add it? > > I might have, but it is a canonical (non-editable by users) by users page. How fitting. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 15:58:57 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:58:57 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C50EC1.2050008@cmc.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> There may also be one or two packages found at /opt, /etc/opt, >> and/or /usr/share/applications/ as well. On my system, there is the real >> [real player] package at /opt/, nothing at /etc/opt/, and kde, >> screensavers, and kde4 at /usr/share/applications/ with everything else >> showing in /usr/share/. >> > > If your software is properly behaved, the only place you should find > anything that was not installed from packages is in either /opt > or /usr/local. Definitely _not_ in /etc/opt. > Oh well, just passing on what I read in the Rutebook. I was under the impression that it was an authoritative source since it's included in the Ubuntu docs installation. By the way, that "ugly method" took me most of a day to figure out the syntax for, and it works great if you just want to know what dates your packages were installed on. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 16:05:44 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:05:44 -0700 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: <1237647204.5474.27.camel@chronic> References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> <1237647204.5474.27.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C51058.50900@cmc.net> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 06:43 -0700, Thorny wrote: > >> I would suggest that your subject >> line could have been worded more clearly. >> > > The thread existed with this subject line on sounder, and people reading > that will understand. It was just an innocent mistake of Ray's while > wrestling with sounder's reply settings, which differ from ubuntu-users > (and which trip me up frequently, too) > Well, if you want to know the truth about the matter, I don't even have a clue what "sounder" is, and I posted that where I did, as I felt that the argument I had been witnessing for the past couple of days in that thread, could use a little injection of the cooperative human spirit to maybe make people feel better. Sorry if you mislead yourself. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From jrh at joshh.co.uk Sat Mar 21 16:06:51 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:06:51 +0000 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:54:34AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Often in Kubuntu Jaunty alpha6 I find that the desktop crashed and I > am back at KDM. When this happens, what log should I save to append to > a bug report? > If you're not sure, just report the bug. The triagers will ask for any log files they need. -- Josh Holland http://joshh.co.uk madmartian on irc.freenode.net From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 15:55:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:55:24 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <45865442.neJCDJf7Zg@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 00:31 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Then show me where a new user is going to find that out? > > Quoting from my post to sounder: > > "And yet I, who probably is much less active, have known about them for > years. I mean, it should be pretty clear that Launchpad is the central > place to contribute to Ubuntu, and its front page menu shows the > following items: > > Launchpad Home / Code / Bugs / Blueprints / Translations / Answers > > Searching for "contribute" on ubuntu.com gives me the following links: > 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/Contribute > 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate > > I didn't check, but I am pretty confident that blueprints or at least > Launchpad are mentioned somewhere there or on the pages they link to." Now you're forcing this into a non-support discussion. None of what you wrote above helps the new user, but I responded in the appropriate forum. -- derek From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 16:14:38 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:14:38 +0100 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: <49C50EC1.2050008@cmc.net> References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C50EC1.2050008@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237652078.5474.49.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 08:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Oh well, just passing on what I read in the Rutebook. I was under the > impression that it was an authoritative source ... Rutebook is a valuable resource, but it is most definitely not authoritative for ubuntu. Just FYI, it's good to know :) For one, rutebook is in the multiverse component, for with the following applies: '"multiverse" component The "multiverse" component contains software that is "not free", which means the licensing requirements of this software do not meet the Ubuntu "main" Component Licence Policy. The onus is on you to verify your rights to use this software and comply with the licensing terms of the copyright holder. This software is not supported and usually cannot be fixed or updated. Use it at your own risk.' http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components > since it's included in > the Ubuntu docs installation. Is it? At least on Jaunty I get: apt-cache rdepends rutebook rutebook Reverse Depends: debian-reference-en And debian-reference-en is not depended on by any "Ubuntu docs" package. From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 15:54:00 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:54:00 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602445.4758.139.camel@chronic> <5486471.YP6L0F8j59@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647286.5474.28.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <4111177.qD6PjWDQWS@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 00:31 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Your point? > > It is not a *support* issue, nobody is being helped here. It was indeed a support issue. We talked about what the problem actually was, and how to work around it, and what you need to do if you want to keep the previous behaviour after upgrading to 9.04. Sure that's been well intertwined with general grousing, but you seem to be the one who wants to force it into a non-support discussion. -- derek From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 16:16:55 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:16:55 +0100 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: <49C51058.50900@cmc.net> References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> <1237647204.5474.27.camel@chronic> <49C51058.50900@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237652215.5474.51.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:05 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Well, if you want to know the truth about the matter, I don't even have > a clue what "sounder" is, Weird, since you were reading a discussion on sounder, so I guess you are subscribed to it ... https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 16:18:03 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:18:03 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <20090321094313.5fa3947b@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> <20090321090732.186c452c@teamcharliesangels.com> <1237648947.5474.41.camel@chronic> <20090321094313.5fa3947b@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1237652283.5474.52.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:43 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > I might have, but it is a canonical (non-editable by users) by users > page. Well, so file a bug > How fitting. Yeah, you are all victims of the big bad Ubuntu elite conspiracy. Get a grip. Over and out. From mario.vukelic at dantian.org Sat Mar 21 16:25:14 2009 From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:25:14 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli In-Reply-To: <45865442.neJCDJf7Zg@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237602486.4758.140.camel@chronic> <30950495.xVIt88xmN5@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237647336.5474.29.camel@chronic> <45865442.neJCDJf7Zg@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1237652714.5474.59.camel@chronic> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 12:55 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Now you're forcing this into a non-support discussion. It was none to begin with > None of what you > wrote above helps the new user, Yeah, it was a mistake, but what you wrote, or Bart, or Dotan, didn't help anyone either. At least I provided links to the appropriate places to get information and contribute, which were oh-so-hard to find. > but I responded in the appropriate forum. You didn't. And you know what, thinking about it I had it with this list. I suggest you, Derek, stack up on supplies and go to your bunker, the Ubuntu ninjas will be arriving soon to prevent you from finding and reading links on the first page of Launchpad, lest you get to contribute. I am unsubscribed now, I guess I was annoying enough for some. Good luck to everyone, have fun. I'll find me another place to contribute the same time to Ubuntu that I wasted letting myself being drawn into useless discussions again and again. From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 16:39:09 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:39:09 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: <1237652078.5474.49.camel@chronic> References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C50EC1.2050008@cmc.net> <1237652078.5474.49.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C5182D.6040002@cmc.net> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 08:58 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Oh well, just passing on what I read in the Rutebook. I was under the >> impression that it was an authoritative source ... >> >> Rutebook is a valuable resource, but it is most definitely not >> authoritative for ubuntu. Just FYI, it's good to know :) >> >> >> since it's included in >> the Ubuntu docs installation. >> > > Is it? At least on Jaunty I get: > > apt-cache rdepends rutebook > rutebook > Reverse Depends: > debian-reference-en > > And debian-reference-en is not depended on by any "Ubuntu docs" > package. > Well, I was able to install it with Synaptic, so I assumed it was part of the Ubuntu docs that were available. I didn't realize a book could have a "depends" setting as well. It has greatly enhanced my knowledge of the file system, and other parts of Ubuntu since I've started reading it. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 16:46:20 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:46:20 -0700 Subject: Community V. "Community In-Reply-To: <1237652215.5474.51.camel@chronic> References: <94dd8f6f0903171255w6efef4f4q8f3dbffac108ae27@mail.gmail.com> <49C0F5AC.2040300@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237401922.13857.25.camel@chronic> <49C192F1.1050108@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237445610.4758.20.camel@chronic> <49C1F4CE.808@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237500730.4758.55.camel@chronic> <49C2EA0A.7010905@bradbury.edu.hk> <1237532672.4758.114.camel@chronic> <1407127.fg9sANcrBG@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237603035.4758.146.camel@chronic> <49C4C551.4050401@cmc.net> <1237647204.5474.27.camel@chronic> <49C51058.50900@cmc.net> <1237652215.5474.51.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <49C519DC.4060802@cmc.net> Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:05 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Well, if you want to know the truth about the matter, I don't even have >> a clue what "sounder" is, >> > > Weird, since you were reading a discussion on sounder, so I guess you > are subscribed to it ... > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder > OK, I guess I actually am subscribed, but forgot, as both lists are being filtered into the same folder for me, which is named Ubuntu Users. I have no idea why I decided to filter both groups into one folder, I'll have to change that so I can tell the difference from now on. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 16:56:42 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:56:42 +0200 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> > If you're not sure, just report the bug. The triagers will ask for any > log files they need. I'd like to make their life a little easier by coming ready with what they might need. I don't want to be a whiny pain in their behinds. Furthermore, it might be good for me to know where this information is, so that I can be familiar with my own system. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From cl at isbd.net Sat Mar 21 17:11:05 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:11:05 +0000 Subject: exim4 maildir configuration question Message-ID: <20090321171105.GB22255@v-shell-1> How should I change the default ~/Maildir/ destination that exim4 uses when you set dc_localdelivery='maildir_home' in update-exim4.conf.conf? It looks as if I need to set MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION but where should I set that? I have tried putting it in /etc/default/exim4 but it doesn't seem to have any effect, my mail still obstinately arrives in ~/Maildir/. I have restarted exim4 and have even restarted the whole system but to no effect. -- Chris Green From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 21 17:13:00 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903201126p46010707re35087fdbbf37fa8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C5201C.3020205@chrononomicon.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/20/2009 11:26 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> I agree that they are free to run what they please, however, from >> experience most users who ask for AV on Linux are doing so out of >> habit, not need. What would you say to a new user who asks how to >> install IE on Linux? Would you recommend that he browse with IE 6 in >> Wine as his primary web browser? >> > > I suppose that just about anyone here can wag 'experience' appendages if > they think it is of value. Mine is not, but for the record: When someone wags the "Experience" appendage, speaking for myself it's just to point out what I've experienced, not in that case taking a wild-assed guess about the situation; it in no way is to denigrate or deny what other people have had happen to them. I say it to establish that I've been in that situation before and here's what I did to resolve it. > @Bart: I reckon that in the future if I ask about installing an > accounting, graphics, CAD, other, package you'll be sure to advise on > which ALTERNATIVE things I should use instead? If I've used something and had good luck with it, would you be harmed at the suggestion? >Further I never stated > that there is an issue with pointing out "alternatives or possibilities > not considered". You know that, so does everyone else on the list. In truth, the post of yours I responded to I thought was rather hostile, out of character for you. I was not in a mood to feel chastised for something that was on my part well intentioned. >I > objected to side-winders (sub-threaders) that totally ignored the OP's > question and drifted off in their own little wonderland as to why one > should or should not install an AV on a linux system. I'm sorry if I misread you. I was not in the best of moods at that point and wasn't in the mindset to take what I interpreted to be a slight when I was trying to be helpful to someone who may not have used Linux as long as I had; I'm not a programmer or kernel dev, but I think I've used it long enough to not have my opinion or advice brushed aside simply because I didn't give the exact answer to what he was specifically posting. From thilts at mcsnet.ca Sat Mar 21 17:21:30 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:21:30 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> Ray Parrish wrote: > Ted Hilts wrote: > >> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >> >> I want to know the optimal solution. >> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >> want.. >> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >> be changed to EXT3. >> >> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >> command umount "/media/sdc1" >> >> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >> >> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >> >> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >> be 512. >> >> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >> >> SYNOPSIS >> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >> >> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >> blocks-count ] >> >> DESCRIPTION >> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >> disk partition). device is the spe? >> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >> >> >> Thanks for any input -- Ted >> >> > Hello, > > The only thing I'm seeing so far, is that you are using hda1 when the > disk was mounted at /media/sdc1, and those don't point at the same kind > of disk. The use of hda1 is for IDE disks, and would have pointed at the > first partition on disk one of the IDE interface, while your sdc1 points > to an scsi drive at position 3, partition 1, I believe. Use "df -h" to > be certain of the drive designations you should use. > > Your -i 1024 is too large of a number for inode size as is explained in > the following copy from - > > > > [begin quote] "fdisk will tell you how many blocks there are on the > disk. If you make a file system on the disk, say with mke2fs, then this > filesystem needs some space for bookkeeping - typically something like > 4% of the file system size, more if you ask for a lot of inodes during > mke2fs. For example: > > || > > # sfdisk -s /dev/hda9 > 4095976 > # mke2fs -i 1024 /dev/hda9 > mke2fs 1.12, 9-Jul-98 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 > ... > 204798 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user > ... > # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere > # df /somewhere > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on > /dev/hda9 3574475 13 3369664 0% /mnt > # df -i /somewhere > Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on > /dev/hda9 4096000 11 4095989 0% /mnt > # > > > We have a partition with 4095976 blocks, make an ext2 filesystem on it, > mount it somewhere and find that it only has 3574475 blocks - 521501 > blocks (12%) was lost to inodes and other bookkeeping. Note that the > difference between the total 3574475 and the 3369664 available to the > user are the 13 blocks in use plus the 204798 blocks reserved for root. > This latter number can be changed by tune2fs. This `-i 1024' is only > reasonable for news spools and the like, with lots and lots of small > files. The default would be: > > || > > # mke2fs /dev/hda9 > # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere > # df /somewhere > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on > /dev/hda9 3958475 13 3753664 0% /mnt > # df -i /somewhere > Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on > /dev/hda9 1024000 11 1023989 0% /mnt > # > > > Now only 137501 blocks (3.3%) are used for inodes, so that we have 384 > MB more than before. (Apparently, each inode takes 128 bytes.) On the > other hand, this filesystem can have at most 1024000 files (more than > enough), against 4096000 (too much) earlier." [end quote] > > NOTE: The man page for make.ext2 states that the default inode size is > 256 so the 128 quoted in the above article excerpt seems to be currently > incorrect. here's a quote from the man page for mkfs.ext2 > > [begin quote] > -I inode-size > Specify the size of each inode in bytes. mke2fs > creates 256-byte inodes by default. In kernels after 2.6.10 and some > earlier vendor kernels it is possible to utilize inodes larger than > 128-bytes to store extended attributes for improved performance. The > inode-size value must be a power of two larger or equal to 128. The > larger the inode-size the more space the inode table will consume, and > this reduces the usable space in the filesystem and can also negatively > impact performance. Extended attributes stored in large inodes are not > visible with older kernels, and such filesystems will not be mountable > with 2.4 kernels at all. [end quote] > > So, it appears to be a trade off between usable file space, number of > possible files, and performance when specifying the inode sizes, with > the inability to use the file system with earlier kernels at all, when > specifying larger inode sizes. This may not be a problem for you, as I > see that the kernels for Hardy right now are in the 2.6 range, so are > not affected by this consideration. If you want to use the smaller 128 > size, you will need to specify it with -i, otherwise it seems > appropriate to use the default 256 size. > > I also have not seen any reference to a need to unmount the drive before > formatting it anywhere. > > That's what I could find out. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > I think you are correct on the drive type. The drives I am thinking of formating are the 6 original NTFS hard drives on the XP Home machine. When I added the dual boot arrangement to include Ubuntu I had an 80 GB empty partition on one of the drives and so Ubuntu "/" was placed on this 80 GB partition when it was installed. Back to the drive type of these 6 hard drives. It's too bad I did not notice that the drives are SCSI and not IDE types. Old age is setting in and it seems I have memory issues to deal with because of that condition. (1) Anyway, I agree that I should be using sda1 instead of hda1. (2) Also, but I'm not sure about this, I don't think there is a problem in me designating sda1 for the first hard dive on which I do the conversion to ext3 as I don't think the physical location and physical order of the hard drives is of any importance but rather the label of the hard drive is probably what the kernel looks for. (3) Also, in my case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive label designation could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous windows XP designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have to change /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard drive I am converting so that the Linux designation of that drive replaces it. (5) Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as it would be if "/" (system root) was placed on it. Or am I in error on one or other of these points??? In terms of the formatting command line you seem to be saying that for many small files the following might be in order: sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -b 1024 -L SDA1 -v /dev/sda1 In other words (for small files like web pages) go with the defaults but use block size 1024 which I think is the smallest??? Hope to hear more input from you and others -- Thanks, Ted From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 21 17:20:31 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:20:31 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <20090320153951.7e106e26@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> <20090320153951.7e106e26@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49C521DF.5000601@chrononomicon.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > So, what does that have to do with the original question? It is another > article to read that does not provide an answer to : > "what is the serial number"? Another simple topic spinning out of control. If someone is asking how to manually add devices to a modern distro, i.e., add an entry to /dev, do you blindly tell them how to do it? Or do you throw manure on someone for pointing out that maybe there's a different issue since it's supposed to already be there using udev? According to what I'm seeing here, you just have them pursue a path of screwing with their system using methods that probably have nothing to do with their end goal...i.e., protecting themselves or others from viruses/malware...and instead blindly answer their specific question, heading down the wrong path. I *rarely* have users ask the real question they're trying to answer because they don't frame their questions as a solution to a goal, but rather the current obstacle they *think* they want answered. After dealing with supporting so many users over the years part of the support process is trying to figure out or guide them to a path that properly answers what they're really trying to do. Shoot me in the frackin' head for trying to help. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 21 17:26:02 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:26:02 -0600 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090321112602.3119a48a@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:56:42 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > If you're not sure, just report the bug. The triagers will ask for > > any log files they need. > > I'd like to make their life a little easier by coming ready with what > they might need. I don't want to be a whiny pain in their behinds. > > Furthermore, it might be good for me to know where this information > is, so that I can be familiar with my own system. > Most of what triagers will ask for is in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures for ISO and alpha/beta testing, a good bug reporting format is available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout There will almost always be some followup questions from the bugsquad, but the majority of what is needed is there. Thanks for helping with the testing. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 21 17:32:51 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:32:51 -0600 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <49C521DF.5000601@chrononomicon.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> <20090320153951.7e106e26@teamcharliesangels.com> <49C521DF.5000601@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090321113251.4f538ce0@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:20:31 -0400 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > So, what does that have to do with the original question? It is > > another article to read that does not provide an answer to : > > "what is the serial number"? > > Another simple topic spinning out of control. > > If someone is asking how to manually add devices to a modern distro, > i.e., add an entry to /dev, do you blindly tell them how to do it? > > Or do you throw manure on someone for pointing out that maybe there's > a different issue since it's supposed to already be there using udev? > > According to what I'm seeing here, you just have them pursue a path > of screwing with their system using methods that probably have > nothing to do with their end goal...i.e., protecting themselves or > others from viruses/malware...and instead blindly answer their > specific question, heading down the wrong path. I *rarely* have users > ask the real question they're trying to answer because they don't > frame their questions as a solution to a goal, but rather the current > obstacle they *think* they want answered. After dealing with > supporting so many users over the years part of the support process > is trying to figure out or guide them to a path that properly answers > what they're really trying to do. > > Shoot me in the frackin' head for trying to help. > 1. This was not a reply to anything to you. 2. By all means point out where to find the answer. 3. WHAT EXACTLY DOES AN ARTICLE ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS IN LINUX HAVE TO DO WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER? The original question was where to find a simple number. NOT WHERE DO I READ ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO USE A DIFFERENT APPLICATION! -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 17:34:02 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:34:02 +0200 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <20090321112602.3119a48a@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090321112602.3119a48a@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903211034v24114c78q161a8408b64710ac@mail.gmail.com> > Most of what triagers will ask for is in: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures > > for ISO and alpha/beta testing, a good bug reporting format is > available at: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout > > There will almost always be some followup questions from the bugsquad, > but the majority of what is needed is there. > > Thanks for helping with the testing. > Thank you, Charlie, there is a lot of good info in there. When I log back into that crasher system I will fire up IRC and try to contact the dev while I can reproduce. Have a great week. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From crp at cmc.net Sat Mar 21 17:37:38 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:37:38 -0700 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C525E2.7050806@cmc.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If you're not sure, just report the bug. The triagers will ask for any >> log files they need. >> > > I'd like to make their life a little easier by coming ready with what > they might need. I don't want to be a whiny pain in their behinds. > > Furthermore, it might be good for me to know where this information > is, so that I can be familiar with my own system. > I do not know if it's the same on Jaunty, but in Hardy the crash reports appear in /var/crash/, and if there are any there, the crash report mechanism will usually kick in, and ask if you would like to report the problem at some point in time later, usually after the next reboot, but it doesn't always wait for that. The crash reports also appear to be named for the program which crashed. [in my case usually Nautilus for some unknown reason] The crash report program also appears to generate Procmap.txt, Dependencies.txt, and ProcStatus.txt, which are attached to the report set it builds up for you, before finally navigating to launchpad to report the bug. Not too sure if this is a very big help or not. At least it's something to go on. I haven't gotten around to studying about crash reports yet. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sat Mar 21 17:44:26 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:44:26 -0400 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: <20090321113251.4f538ce0@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <880dece00903201045n47327e1esf3bd6fe93aa01ee4@mail.gmail.com> <49C3E87C.10906@chrononomicon.com> <20090320153951.7e106e26@teamcharliesangels.com> <49C521DF.5000601@chrononomicon.com> <20090321113251.4f538ce0@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <49C5277A.9040903@chrononomicon.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > 1. This was not a reply to anything to you. > > 2. By all means point out where to find the answer. > > 3. WHAT EXACTLY DOES AN ARTICLE ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS IN LINUX HAVE TO DO > WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER? The original question was where to find a > simple number. NOT WHERE DO I READ ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO USE A > DIFFERENT APPLICATION! Bang. Everyone else wins. Maybe this worked. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-135537.html Enjoy. I'll read more after I get back from the hospital. From stanb at panix.com Sat Mar 21 17:54:55 2009 From: stanb at panix.com (stan) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:54:55 -0500 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? Message-ID: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. How do I determine this? -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 17:58:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:58:17 +0200 Subject: Beta testing Jaunty: how should I report this crash? In-Reply-To: <49C525E2.7050806@cmc.net> References: <880dece00903210154k4d714375h84e456126041b229@mail.gmail.com> <20090321160651.GC21407@joshh.co.uk> <880dece00903210956r799bef00lacdecc2f786689c2@mail.gmail.com> <49C525E2.7050806@cmc.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903211058x6d51c708p106eeacf7272d9e@mail.gmail.com> > I do not know if it's the same on Jaunty, but in Hardy the crash reports > appear in /var/crash/, and if there are any there, the crash report > mechanism will usually kick in, and ask if you would like to report the > problem at some point in time later, usually after the next reboot, but > it doesn't always wait for that. > > The crash reports also appear to be named for the program which crashed. > [in my case usually Nautilus for some unknown reason] The crash report > program also appears to generate Procmap.txt, Dependencies.txt, and > ProcStatus.txt, which are attached to the report set it builds up for > you, before finally navigating to launchpad to report the bug. > > Not too sure if this is a very big help or not. At least it's something > to go on. I haven't gotten around to studying about crash reports yet. > Thanks, Ray. It is KDE's Plasma crashing, so I get no error when it happens. When I'm back in that system I will try to dig up a crash report. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:00:41 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:41 +0200 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/21 stan : > I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As > a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! > > I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I > need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. > > How do I determine this? > $ cat /etc/issue -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 17:38:29 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:38:29 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: <2408784.vpCG2Gngpq@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C48F1F.4080206@cmc.net> <1904587.YJEBTkx1E2@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C50EC1.2050008@cmc.net> Message-ID: <3537054.CpDf1AUzLV@cedar.serverforest.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > By the way, that "ugly method" took me most of a day to figure out the > syntax for, and it works great if you just want to know what dates your > packages were installed on. aptitude, apt-get and dpkg keep logs. Admittedly, those logs can get cycled out of existence. You'd need to do something to keep them if you wanted them a year down the road. (both the aptitude and dpkg logs appear to be configured in logrotate, the apt-get one doesn't seem to be on my system) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 21 17:34:39 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:34:39 -0300 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <880dece00903181321k1c78a09ew892d8a6110eb1b9e@mail.gmail.com> <49C1F7D9.2020601@cern.ch> <7304313.CjRyQS7bzc@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237500894.4758.56.camel@chronic> <68763442.dzy2q8MS9N@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237605894.4758.148.camel@chronic> <2366115.zN7RLOTrKS@cedar.serverforest.com> <1237648835.5474.40.camel@chronic> Message-ID: <2486612.VHXEkeavFs@cedar.serverforest.com> Mario Vukelic wrote: > This here is a list for users to receive technical support by other > users: ""Ubuntu user *****technical****support*****, not for general > discussions"" > And I say again, this _was_ a technical support discussion until you insisted on dragging it off into complaints about the complaints. I'm now counting 202 posts in this thread, 51 from you. I'm done. -- derek From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Sat Mar 21 18:15:27 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:15:27 -0500 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. Message-ID: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I am doing something wrong but not sure what. This works from the command line: echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g' What you get is ABCDEF without the \ character. In a script, however, I am trying to replace the \ with \\ and assign the output to a variable but the `` construct seems to throw the whole thing off. #! /bin/sh uid=`echo "ABC\\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'` echo $UID I get an error like: sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command I have actually tried this same script on a FreeBSD system. That version of sed echos back the whole command and also complains about the unterminated s command. The second ' is right next to the ` so I know it's there but the `statements` must be confusing things. What am I missing here? Thanks. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:21:16 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:21:16 -0600 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C5301C.5090503@gmail.com> Ted Hilts wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Ted Hilts wrote: >> >> >>> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >>> >>> I want to know the optimal solution. >>> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >>> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >>> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >>> want.. >>> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >>> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >>> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >>> be changed to EXT3. >>> >>> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >>> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >>> command umount "/media/sdc1" >>> >>> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >>> >>> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >>> >>> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >>> be 512. >>> >>> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >>> >>> SYNOPSIS >>> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >>> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >>> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >>> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >>> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >>> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >>> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >>> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >>> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >>> >>> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >>> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >>> blocks-count ] >>> >>> DESCRIPTION >>> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >>> disk partition). device is the spe? >>> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >>> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >>> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >>> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >>> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any input -- Ted >>> >>> >>> >> Hello, >> >> The only thing I'm seeing so far, is that you are using hda1 when the >> disk was mounted at /media/sdc1, and those don't point at the same kind >> of disk. The use of hda1 is for IDE disks, and would have pointed at the >> first partition on disk one of the IDE interface, while your sdc1 points >> to an scsi drive at position 3, partition 1, I believe. Use "df -h" to >> be certain of the drive designations you should use. >> >> Your -i 1024 is too large of a number for inode size as is explained in >> the following copy from - >> >> >> >> [begin quote] "fdisk will tell you how many blocks there are on the >> disk. If you make a file system on the disk, say with mke2fs, then this >> filesystem needs some space for bookkeeping - typically something like >> 4% of the file system size, more if you ask for a lot of inodes during >> mke2fs. For example: >> >> || >> >> # sfdisk -s /dev/hda9 >> 4095976 >> # mke2fs -i 1024 /dev/hda9 >> mke2fs 1.12, 9-Jul-98 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 >> ... >> 204798 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user >> ... >> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >> # df /somewhere >> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 3574475 13 3369664 0% /mnt >> # df -i /somewhere >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 4096000 11 4095989 0% /mnt >> # >> >> >> We have a partition with 4095976 blocks, make an ext2 filesystem on it, >> mount it somewhere and find that it only has 3574475 blocks - 521501 >> blocks (12%) was lost to inodes and other bookkeeping. Note that the >> difference between the total 3574475 and the 3369664 available to the >> user are the 13 blocks in use plus the 204798 blocks reserved for root. >> This latter number can be changed by tune2fs. This `-i 1024' is only >> reasonable for news spools and the like, with lots and lots of small >> files. The default would be: >> >> || >> >> # mke2fs /dev/hda9 >> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >> # df /somewhere >> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 3958475 13 3753664 0% /mnt >> # df -i /somewhere >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 1024000 11 1023989 0% /mnt >> # >> >> >> Now only 137501 blocks (3.3%) are used for inodes, so that we have 384 >> MB more than before. (Apparently, each inode takes 128 bytes.) On the >> other hand, this filesystem can have at most 1024000 files (more than >> enough), against 4096000 (too much) earlier." [end quote] >> >> NOTE: The man page for make.ext2 states that the default inode size is >> 256 so the 128 quoted in the above article excerpt seems to be currently >> incorrect. here's a quote from the man page for mkfs.ext2 >> >> [begin quote] >> -I inode-size >> Specify the size of each inode in bytes. mke2fs >> creates 256-byte inodes by default. In kernels after 2.6.10 and some >> earlier vendor kernels it is possible to utilize inodes larger than >> 128-bytes to store extended attributes for improved performance. The >> inode-size value must be a power of two larger or equal to 128. The >> larger the inode-size the more space the inode table will consume, and >> this reduces the usable space in the filesystem and can also negatively >> impact performance. Extended attributes stored in large inodes are not >> visible with older kernels, and such filesystems will not be mountable >> with 2.4 kernels at all. [end quote] >> >> So, it appears to be a trade off between usable file space, number of >> possible files, and performance when specifying the inode sizes, with >> the inability to use the file system with earlier kernels at all, when >> specifying larger inode sizes. This may not be a problem for you, as I >> see that the kernels for Hardy right now are in the 2.6 range, so are >> not affected by this consideration. If you want to use the smaller 128 >> size, you will need to specify it with -i, otherwise it seems >> appropriate to use the default 256 size. >> >> I also have not seen any reference to a need to unmount the drive before >> formatting it anywhere. >> >> That's what I could find out. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> >> > I think you are correct on the drive type. The drives I am thinking of > formating are the 6 original NTFS hard drives on the XP Home machine. > When I added the dual boot arrangement to include Ubuntu I had an 80 GB > empty partition on one of the drives and so Ubuntu "/" was placed on > this 80 GB partition when it was installed. > > Back to the drive type of these 6 hard drives. It's too bad I did not > notice that the drives are SCSI and not IDE types. Old age is setting in > and it seems I have memory issues to deal with because of that > condition. (1) Anyway, I agree that I should be using sda1 instead of > hda1. (2) Also, but I'm not sure about this, I don't think there is a > problem in me designating sda1 for the first hard dive on which I do the > conversion to ext3 as I don't think the physical location and physical > order of the hard drives is of any importance but rather the label of > the hard drive is probably what the kernel looks for. (3) Also, in my > case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive label designation > could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous windows XP > designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have to change > /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard drive I am > converting so that the Linux designation of that drive replaces it. (5) > Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as it > would be if "/" (system root) was placed on it. Or am I in error on > one or other of these points??? > > In terms of the formatting command line you seem to be saying that for > many small files the following might be in order: > > sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -b 1024 -L SDA1 -v /dev/sda1 > > In other words (for small files like web pages) go with the defaults but use block size 1024 which I think is the smallest??? > > Hope to hear more input from you and others -- Thanks, Ted > > > > Ted your asking 27 questions about the fine art of changing the file system on some old hard drives. I'm old too and do not want to learn your system, but here in general is what you need to do: You need a Ubuntu LiveCD of late vintage like Hardy or newer. The computer must be set up so it boots this CD when you turn it on. When you have the CD booted and it looks just like a real Ubuntu, then you you go to System-Administration and click on the partition making software. I forget the name of it. When this comes up it shows you all the hard drives, with all the partitions and tells you what kind of file system each has. It now lets you change ANYTHING! It has a good Help section and feel free to read the help. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:25:10 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:25:10 -0600 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: <49C53106.5000409@gmail.com> stan wrote: > I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As > a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! > > I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I > need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. > > How do I determine this? > > It might be better to load Ubuntu, and then people on the Ubuntu list will be able to answer your questions :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From stanb at panix.com Sat Mar 21 18:32:19 2009 From: stanb at panix.com (stan) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:32:19 -0500 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:00:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/3/21 stan : > > I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As > > a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! > > > > I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I > > need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. > > > > How do I determine this? > > > > $ cat /etc/issue > Tried that Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l This system is too old for that :-( -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. From jrh at joshh.co.uk Sat Mar 21 18:35:08 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:35:08 +0000 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: <20090321183508.GB21948@joshh.co.uk> Have a look at /proc/version{,-signature} -- Josh Holland http://joshh.co.uk madmartian on irc.freenode.net From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:35:47 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:35:47 +0200 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903211135h4057afa7i2ba7da2ae688c71@mail.gmail.com> > Tried that > > > Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l > > This system is too old for that :-( > Try apt-cache policy for some common software, to get an idea of version numbers. Wait! If it's Ubuntu then the version number should be in your apt-get repos! Like this (for Hardy): deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main restricted -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li Sat Mar 21 18:35:17 2009 From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:35:17 +0100 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <49C53365.7020806@kaiser-linux.li> Martin McCormick wrote: > I am doing something wrong but not sure what. This works > from the command line: > > echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g' > > What you get is ABCDEF without the \ character. > > In a script, however, I am trying to replace the \ with > \\ and assign the output to a variable but the `` construct > seems to throw the whole thing off. > > #! /bin/sh > uid=`echo "ABC\\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'` > echo $UID > > I get an error like: > > sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command > > > I have actually tried this same script on a FreeBSD > system. That version of sed echos back the whole command and > also complains about the unterminated s command. The second ' is > right next to the ` so I know it's there but the `statements` > must be confusing things. > > What am I missing here? > > Thanks. Try this: uid=`echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid Thomas From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:35:54 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:35:54 -0600 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: <49C5338A.1020002@gmail.com> stan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:00:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2009/3/21 stan : >> >>> I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As >>> a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! >>> >>> I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I >>> need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. >>> >>> How do I determine this? >>> >>> >> $ cat /etc/issue >> >> > Tried that > > > Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l > > This system is too old for that :-( > > Works fine on my Ubuntu. karl at karl-hardy:~$ cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 8.04.2 \n \l karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 18:39:23 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:39:23 +0200 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <49C5338A.1020002@gmail.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> <49C5338A.1020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903211139u3f283c3aq4fba3809c40de58d@mail.gmail.com> > Works fine on my Ubuntu. > > karl at karl-hardy:~$ cat /etc/issue > Ubuntu 8.04.2 \n \l > Yours might not be as old as his! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From jrh at joshh.co.uk Sat Mar 21 18:46:42 2009 From: jrh at joshh.co.uk (Josh Holland) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:46:42 +0000 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <49C53365.7020806@kaiser-linux.li> References: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <49C53365.7020806@kaiser-linux.li> Message-ID: <20090321184642.GC21948@joshh.co.uk> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 07:35:17PM +0100, Thomas Kaiser wrote: > Try this: > uid=`echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid ZOMGWTFLOLOLOL!!!!!!!11one! Got enough backslashes there ;)? -- Josh Holland http://joshh.co.uk madmartian on irc.freenode.net From smoot at tic.com Sat Mar 21 18:57:51 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:57:51 -0700 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <49C53365.7020806@kaiser-linux.li> References: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <49C53365.7020806@kaiser-linux.li> Message-ID: <1237661871.7667.248.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 19:35 +0100, Thomas Kaiser wrote: > Martin McCormick wrote: > Try this: > uid=`echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid Why not just: uid='ABC\\DEF' The single quotes protect the backslashes from being interpreted by the shell. If you need to expand a variable in the string, you can do something like: uid="$var"'\\'"rest of string" Shell quoting gets rather convoluted when you push strings to a subshell which is what the `` construct does. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 19:16:12 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:16:12 +0100 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903211216n6edefeefwfdcb5e6eadef655d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/21 Martin McCormick > I am doing something wrong but not sure what. This works > from the command line: > > echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g' > > What you get is ABCDEF without the \ character. > > In a script, however, I am trying to replace the \ with > \\ and assign the output to a variable but the `` construct > seems to throw the whole thing off. > > #! /bin/sh > uid=`echo "ABC\\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'` > echo $UID > > I get an error like: > > sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command > > > I have actually tried this same script on a FreeBSD > system. That version of sed echos back the whole command and > also complains about the unterminated s command. The second ' is > right next to the ` so I know it's there but the `statements` > must be confusing things. > > What am I missing here? > > Thanks. I don't know, I got the same error, but there is an alternate method of doing the same thing, and it worked for me: #! /bin/sh uid=$(echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g') echo ${uid} J.R. > > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > Systems Engineer > OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 19:21:14 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:21:14 +0100 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <8ad06bca0903211216n6edefeefwfdcb5e6eadef655d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903211815.n2LIFRkW034759@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <8ad06bca0903211216n6edefeefwfdcb5e6eadef655d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903211221i22f0e1deve26affe997d4882c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/21 Johnny Rosenberg > 2009/3/21 Martin McCormick > >> I am doing something wrong but not sure what. This works >> from the command line: >> >> echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g' >> >> What you get is ABCDEF without the \ character. >> >> In a script, however, I am trying to replace the \ with >> \\ and assign the output to a variable but the `` construct >> seems to throw the whole thing off. >> >> #! /bin/sh >> uid=`echo "ABC\\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'` >> echo $UID >> >> I get an error like: >> >> sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command >> >> >> I have actually tried this same script on a FreeBSD >> system. That version of sed echos back the whole command and >> also complains about the unterminated s command. The second ' is >> right next to the ` so I know it's there but the `statements` >> must be confusing things. >> >> What am I missing here? >> >> Thanks. > > I don't know, I got the same error, but there is an alternate method of > doing the same thing, and it worked for me: > #! /bin/sh > > uid=$(echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g') > echo ${uid} > J.R. > > Or, if replacing \ by \\, this code: #! /bin/sh uid=$(echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\\\/g') echo ${uid} Can someone explain to me why I need 6 ”\”, by the way? J.R. > >> >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK >> Systems Engineer >> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rev.olson at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 20:00:45 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:00:45 -0700 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903211300.49495.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:00:41 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/3/21 stan : > > I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. > > As a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! > > > > I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I > > need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. > > > > How do I determine this? > > $ cat /etc/issue > I thought it was $ cat /etc/debian_version but I don't really know as it has been YEARS since I played with Debian! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200903211300.49495.rev.olson@gmail.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <200903211300.49495.rev.olson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C54F81.1030502@runbox.no> Pastor JW wrote: > On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:00:41 am Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2009/3/21 stan : >>> I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. >>> As a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! >>> >>> I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I >>> need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. >>> >>> How do I determine this? >> $ cat /etc/issue >> > > I thought it was $ cat /etc/debian_version but I don't really know as it has > been YEARS since I played with Debian! That's what I've been using. But "cat /etc/issue" shows more info than just the version number. -- Odd. From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Sat Mar 21 22:16:26 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:16:26 -0500 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. Message-ID: <200903212216.n2LMGQE6040465@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Johnny Rosenberg writes: > > I don't know, I got the same error, but there is an alternate method of > > doing the same thing, and it worked for me: > > #! /bin/sh > > > > uid=$(echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\//g') > > echo ${uid} > > J.R. > > > > > Or, if replacing \ by \\, this code: > #! /bin/sh > > uid=$(echo "ABC\DEF" | sed 's/\\/\\\\\\/g') > echo ${uid} > > Can someone explain to me why I need 6 ?\?, by the way? It worked exactly the same way for me. Thank you. I think what we gain here is that we are not running a subshell. As to why you need 6 \ characters in order to get 2 to print when one would expect to have to only use 4, I am not totally sure either, but just for laughs, I tried 8 \'s and still only got 2 out. Ten of them did give me 3 out with 4 mystery sacrificial backslashes to the shell god.:-) It is as if some sort of recursion is going on but I don't really understand why. Thanks for solving my immediate problem and maybe someone knows why we must sacrifice so many extra \'s. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 21 22:38:16 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:38:16 -0700 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? In-Reply-To: References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> <49C46286.2060103@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <49C56C58.9080505@knutejohnson.com> Thorny wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:44:06 -0700, Knute Johnson posted: > >> Matthew Flaschen wrote: >>> Knute Johnson wrote: >>>> I've got a jump drive that I use for nightly backup. I can't seem to >>>> get an accurate space left or used. The disk is /dev/sdb1 and the >>>> mount is /media/usbdisk. >>> Well, it needs to be mounted when you run the command. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >> I know that and it is. > > I think Matthew's point was that it doesn't appear to be from the output > you showed us, even though you told us it was. Are you sure it's mounted, > can you navigate to it and read files? What is the output of the command, > mount? But I was wrong. It was mounted at one point but not any more. Is there a simple way to confirm that a jump drive is mounted? Thanks, -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From smoot at tic.com Sat Mar 21 23:42:56 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:42:56 -0700 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <200903212216.n2LMGQE6040465@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200903212216.n2LMGQE6040465@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <1237678976.7667.446.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 17:16 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > J > It worked exactly the same way for me. Thank you. I > think what we gain here is that we are not running a subshell. > As to why you need 6 \ characters in order to get 2 to print > when one would expect to have to only use 4, I am not totally > sure either, but just for laughs, I tried 8 \'s and still only > got 2 out. Ten of them did give me 3 out with 4 mystery > sacrificial backslashes to the shell god.:-) It is as if some > sort of recursion is going on but I don't really understand why. You can see what is happening by setting the -x option in the shell. set -x uid=`echo 'ABC\DEF' | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid ++ sed 's/\\/\\\\/g' ++ echo 'ABC\DEF' + uid='ABC\\DEF' + echo 'ABC\\DEF' ABC\\DEF This with 7 backslashes in the target of the sed substitution. What appears to be happening here is the parent shell is doing the backslash substitution. With 3 backslashes you get 2 emitted. With 7 you get 4. I find this a little odd because I would have expected the string '\\\/' to emit '\/' and not '\\/'. This could be a shell feature (bug). It looks like using the the $() is safer and more consistent. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 00:37:33 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:37:33 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C5884D.9010806@cmc.net> Ted Hilts wrote: > Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Ted Hilts wrote: >> >> >>> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >>> >>> I want to know the optimal solution. >>> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >>> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >>> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >>> want.. >>> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >>> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >>> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >>> be changed to EXT3. >>> >>> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >>> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >>> command umount "/media/sdc1" >>> >>> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >>> >>> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >>> >>> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >>> be 512. >>> >>> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >>> >>> SYNOPSIS >>> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >>> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >>> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >>> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >>> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >>> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >>> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >>> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >>> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >>> >>> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >>> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >>> blocks-count ] >>> >>> DESCRIPTION >>> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >>> disk partition). device is the spe? >>> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >>> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >>> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >>> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >>> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any input -- Ted >>> >>> >>> >> Hello, >> >> The only thing I'm seeing so far, is that you are using hda1 when the >> disk was mounted at /media/sdc1, and those don't point at the same kind >> of disk. The use of hda1 is for IDE disks, and would have pointed at the >> first partition on disk one of the IDE interface, while your sdc1 points >> to an scsi drive at position 3, partition 1, I believe. Use "df -h" to >> be certain of the drive designations you should use. >> >> Your -i 1024 is too large of a number for inode size as is explained in >> the following copy from - >> >> >> >> [begin quote] "fdisk will tell you how many blocks there are on the >> disk. If you make a file system on the disk, say with mke2fs, then this >> filesystem needs some space for bookkeeping - typically something like >> 4% of the file system size, more if you ask for a lot of inodes during >> mke2fs. For example: >> >> || >> >> # sfdisk -s /dev/hda9 >> 4095976 >> # mke2fs -i 1024 /dev/hda9 >> mke2fs 1.12, 9-Jul-98 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 >> ... >> 204798 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user >> ... >> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >> # df /somewhere >> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 3574475 13 3369664 0% /mnt >> # df -i /somewhere >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 4096000 11 4095989 0% /mnt >> # >> >> >> We have a partition with 4095976 blocks, make an ext2 filesystem on it, >> mount it somewhere and find that it only has 3574475 blocks - 521501 >> blocks (12%) was lost to inodes and other bookkeeping. Note that the >> difference between the total 3574475 and the 3369664 available to the >> user are the 13 blocks in use plus the 204798 blocks reserved for root. >> This latter number can be changed by tune2fs. This `-i 1024' is only >> reasonable for news spools and the like, with lots and lots of small >> files. The default would be: >> >> || >> >> # mke2fs /dev/hda9 >> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >> # df /somewhere >> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 3958475 13 3753664 0% /mnt >> # df -i /somewhere >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >> /dev/hda9 1024000 11 1023989 0% /mnt >> # >> >> >> Now only 137501 blocks (3.3%) are used for inodes, so that we have 384 >> MB more than before. (Apparently, each inode takes 128 bytes.) On the >> other hand, this filesystem can have at most 1024000 files (more than >> enough), against 4096000 (too much) earlier." [end quote] >> >> NOTE: The man page for make.ext2 states that the default inode size is >> 256 so the 128 quoted in the above article excerpt seems to be currently >> incorrect. here's a quote from the man page for mkfs.ext2 >> >> [begin quote] >> -I inode-size >> Specify the size of each inode in bytes. mke2fs >> creates 256-byte inodes by default. In kernels after 2.6.10 and some >> earlier vendor kernels it is possible to utilize inodes larger than >> 128-bytes to store extended attributes for improved performance. The >> inode-size value must be a power of two larger or equal to 128. The >> larger the inode-size the more space the inode table will consume, and >> this reduces the usable space in the filesystem and can also negatively >> impact performance. Extended attributes stored in large inodes are not >> visible with older kernels, and such filesystems will not be mountable >> with 2.4 kernels at all. [end quote] >> >> So, it appears to be a trade off between usable file space, number of >> possible files, and performance when specifying the inode sizes, with >> the inability to use the file system with earlier kernels at all, when >> specifying larger inode sizes. This may not be a problem for you, as I >> see that the kernels for Hardy right now are in the 2.6 range, so are >> not affected by this consideration. If you want to use the smaller 128 >> size, you will need to specify it with -i, otherwise it seems >> appropriate to use the default 256 size. >> >> I also have not seen any reference to a need to unmount the drive before >> formatting it anywhere. >> >> That's what I could find out. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> >> >> > I think you are correct on the drive type. The drives I am thinking of > formating are the 6 original NTFS hard drives on the XP Home machine. > When I added the dual boot arrangement to include Ubuntu I had an 80 GB > empty partition on one of the drives and so Ubuntu "/" was placed on > this 80 GB partition when it was installed. > > Back to the drive type of these 6 hard drives. It's too bad I did not > notice that the drives are SCSI and not IDE types. Old age is setting in > and it seems I have memory issues to deal with because of that > condition. (1) Anyway, I agree that I should be using sda1 instead of > hda1. (2) Also, but I'm not sure about this, I don't think there is a > problem in me designating sda1 for the first hard dive on which I do the > conversion to ext3 as I don't think the physical location and physical > order of the hard drives is of any importance but rather the label of > the hard drive is probably what the kernel looks for. (3) Also, in my > case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive label designation > could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous windows XP > designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have to change > /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard drive I am > converting so that the Linux designation of that drive replaces it. (5) > Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as it > would be if "/" (system root) was placed on it. Or am I in error on > one or other of these points??? > > In terms of the formatting command line you seem to be saying that for > many small files the following might be in order: > > sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -b 1024 -L SDA1 -v /dev/sda1 > > In other words (for small files like web pages) go with the defaults but use block size 1024 which I think is the smallest??? > > Hope to hear more input from you and others -- Thanks, Ted > Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, but we've all got to sleep sometime, and it was my turn. 8-) I'm pretty sure I was wrong about your drives being SCSI, I should have said SATA, which is what they most likely are. SCSI is an old clunky interface that isn't used too much anymore. That being said I must also tell you that I'm not really going to be able to hlep you in any kind of timely manner, as I'm a new Linux user myself, and all of the answering I've done so far was based on about an hour's worth of reading in some man pages, and some html docs in the /usr/share/doc/ folders. To be able to help you any further, is going to require me to do much more reading up on the subject at hand first. Face it, this is the blind leading the blind. 8-) I did do a grep for "sda" in the /usr/share/doc/ folders, and redirected the output to a file, and have found the udev manual, which seems to be so far bearing out your claim that you will be able to name each of your drives whatever you want, regardless of their actual physical connections as seen by the kernel. However it involves the use of symlinks to do so, not the -L parameter being applied to the drive to label it. Do some reading in the following file - You may have to install the udev document package first if it's not already there on your machine. I've been going nuts with the documentation installs lately, and getting every man page, info page, and html doc I can for the Linux system, so I can learn what I'm doing with this new operating system. Your format command line looks good to me so far, but then I've never had the opportunity to format any drives in Linux yet, so how would I know? Also, I have no idea how to make a partition active. I'm pretty sure Karl was right when he told you that using the gparted partition editor from a Live CD would allow you to do all of what you want, and all from the same interface as well. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From k4rjj at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 22 02:20:51 2009 From: k4rjj at bellsouth.net (Ronny Julian) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:20:51 -0400 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic Message-ID: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the Applications menu or am I missing something. Thanks for the help! Ronny K4RJJ From thilts at mcsnet.ca Sun Mar 22 02:50:46 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:46 -0700 Subject: [ubuntu-users] Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: <49C5884D.9010806@cmc.net> References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> <49C5884D.9010806@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C5A786.8000400@mcsnet.ca> Ray Parrish wrote: > Ted Hilts wrote: > >> Ray Parrish wrote: >> >> >>> Ted Hilts wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> This is a resend as the original email has not shown up on the list. >>>> >>>> I want to know the optimal solution. >>>> The hard drive (HD) is 232.9 GB. >>>> The application using the HD is the storage of web pages. >>>> The HD is currently mounted as NTFS and there is no data on it that I >>>> want.. >>>> Ubuntu is installed in a dual boot grub configuration.with XP HOME. >>>> While Ubuntu is booted I want to format this drive. >>>> Eventually all but one of the 6 current NTFS formatted hard drives will >>>> be changed to EXT3. >>>> >>>> The following is what I think is the correct use of options to be >>>> applied after the 232.9 GB HD has been dismounted by Ubuntu with the >>>> command umount "/media/sdc1" >>>> >>>> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -i 1024 -b 1024 -L HDA1 -v /dev/hda1 >>>> >>>> and then mount the HD. Also, is there anything I have missed? >>>> >>>> I think the smallest size for blocks is now 1024 but at one time used to >>>> be 512. >>>> >>>> BELOW is the man page synopsis: >>>> >>>> SYNOPSIS >>>> mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f >>>> fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i >>>> bytes-per-inode ] [ -I inode-size ] [ -j ] [ -J journal-options ] >>>> [ -N number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ >>>> -m reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o creator-os ] [ -O >>>> feature[,...] ] [ -q ] [ -r fs-revision- >>>> level ] [ -E extended-options ] [ -v ] [ -F ] [ -L volume-label ] >>>> [ -M last-mounted-directory ] [ -S >>>> ] [ -T filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [ blocks-count ] >>>> >>>> mke2fs -O journal_dev [ -b block-size ] [ -L volume-label ] [ -n >>>> ] [ -q ] [ -v ] external-journal [ >>>> blocks-count ] >>>> >>>> DESCRIPTION >>>> mke2fs is used to create an ext2/ext3 filesystem (usually in a >>>> disk partition). device is the spe? >>>> cial file corresponding to the device (e.g /dev/hdXX). >>>> blocks-count is the number of blocks on the >>>> device. If omitted, mke2fs automagically figures the file system >>>> size. If called as mkfs.ext3 a >>>> journal is created as if the -j option was specified. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for any input -- Ted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> The only thing I'm seeing so far, is that you are using hda1 when the >>> disk was mounted at /media/sdc1, and those don't point at the same kind >>> of disk. The use of hda1 is for IDE disks, and would have pointed at the >>> first partition on disk one of the IDE interface, while your sdc1 points >>> to an scsi drive at position 3, partition 1, I believe. Use "df -h" to >>> be certain of the drive designations you should use. >>> >>> Your -i 1024 is too large of a number for inode size as is explained in >>> the following copy from - >>> >>> >>> >>> [begin quote] "fdisk will tell you how many blocks there are on the >>> disk. If you make a file system on the disk, say with mke2fs, then this >>> filesystem needs some space for bookkeeping - typically something like >>> 4% of the file system size, more if you ask for a lot of inodes during >>> mke2fs. For example: >>> >>> || >>> >>> # sfdisk -s /dev/hda9 >>> 4095976 >>> # mke2fs -i 1024 /dev/hda9 >>> mke2fs 1.12, 9-Jul-98 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 >>> ... >>> 204798 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user >>> ... >>> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >>> # df /somewhere >>> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >>> /dev/hda9 3574475 13 3369664 0% /mnt >>> # df -i /somewhere >>> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >>> /dev/hda9 4096000 11 4095989 0% /mnt >>> # >>> >>> >>> We have a partition with 4095976 blocks, make an ext2 filesystem on it, >>> mount it somewhere and find that it only has 3574475 blocks - 521501 >>> blocks (12%) was lost to inodes and other bookkeeping. Note that the >>> difference between the total 3574475 and the 3369664 available to the >>> user are the 13 blocks in use plus the 204798 blocks reserved for root. >>> This latter number can be changed by tune2fs. This `-i 1024' is only >>> reasonable for news spools and the like, with lots and lots of small >>> files. The default would be: >>> >>> || >>> >>> # mke2fs /dev/hda9 >>> # mount /dev/hda9 /somewhere >>> # df /somewhere >>> Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on >>> /dev/hda9 3958475 13 3753664 0% /mnt >>> # df -i /somewhere >>> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree %IUsed Mounted on >>> /dev/hda9 1024000 11 1023989 0% /mnt >>> # >>> >>> >>> Now only 137501 blocks (3.3%) are used for inodes, so that we have 384 >>> MB more than before. (Apparently, each inode takes 128 bytes.) On the >>> other hand, this filesystem can have at most 1024000 files (more than >>> enough), against 4096000 (too much) earlier." [end quote] >>> >>> NOTE: The man page for make.ext2 states that the default inode size is >>> 256 so the 128 quoted in the above article excerpt seems to be currently >>> incorrect. here's a quote from the man page for mkfs.ext2 >>> >>> [begin quote] >>> -I inode-size >>> Specify the size of each inode in bytes. mke2fs >>> creates 256-byte inodes by default. In kernels after 2.6.10 and some >>> earlier vendor kernels it is possible to utilize inodes larger than >>> 128-bytes to store extended attributes for improved performance. The >>> inode-size value must be a power of two larger or equal to 128. The >>> larger the inode-size the more space the inode table will consume, and >>> this reduces the usable space in the filesystem and can also negatively >>> impact performance. Extended attributes stored in large inodes are not >>> visible with older kernels, and such filesystems will not be mountable >>> with 2.4 kernels at all. [end quote] >>> >>> So, it appears to be a trade off between usable file space, number of >>> possible files, and performance when specifying the inode sizes, with >>> the inability to use the file system with earlier kernels at all, when >>> specifying larger inode sizes. This may not be a problem for you, as I >>> see that the kernels for Hardy right now are in the 2.6 range, so are >>> not affected by this consideration. If you want to use the smaller 128 >>> size, you will need to specify it with -i, otherwise it seems >>> appropriate to use the default 256 size. >>> >>> I also have not seen any reference to a need to unmount the drive before >>> formatting it anywhere. >>> >>> That's what I could find out. >>> >>> Later, Ray Parrish >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I think you are correct on the drive type. The drives I am thinking of >> formating are the 6 original NTFS hard drives on the XP Home machine. >> When I added the dual boot arrangement to include Ubuntu I had an 80 GB >> empty partition on one of the drives and so Ubuntu "/" was placed on >> this 80 GB partition when it was installed. >> >> Back to the drive type of these 6 hard drives. It's too bad I did not >> notice that the drives are SCSI and not IDE types. Old age is setting in >> and it seems I have memory issues to deal with because of that >> condition. (1) Anyway, I agree that I should be using sda1 instead of >> hda1. (2) Also, but I'm not sure about this, I don't think there is a >> problem in me designating sda1 for the first hard dive on which I do the >> conversion to ext3 as I don't think the physical location and physical >> order of the hard drives is of any importance but rather the label of >> the hard drive is probably what the kernel looks for. (3) Also, in my >> case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive label designation >> could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous windows XP >> designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have to change >> /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard drive I am >> converting so that the Linux designation of that drive replaces it. (5) >> Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as it >> would be if "/" (system root) was placed on it. Or am I in error on >> one or other of these points??? >> >> In terms of the formatting command line you seem to be saying that for >> many small files the following might be in order: >> >> sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -c -b 1024 -L SDA1 -v /dev/sda1 >> >> In other words (for small files like web pages) go with the defaults but use block size 1024 which I think is the smallest??? >> >> Hope to hear more input from you and others -- Thanks, Ted >> >> > Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, but we've all got to > sleep sometime, and it was my turn. 8-) > > I'm pretty sure I was wrong about your drives being SCSI, I should have > said SATA, which is what they most likely are. SCSI is an old clunky > interface that isn't used too much anymore. > > That being said I must also tell you that I'm not really going to be > able to hlep you in any kind of timely manner, as I'm a new Linux user > myself, and all of the answering I've done so far was based on about an > hour's worth of reading in some man pages, and some html docs in the > /usr/share/doc/ folders. > > To be able to help you any further, is going to require me to do much > more reading up on the subject at hand first. Face it, this is the blind > leading the blind. 8-) I did do a grep for "sda" in the /usr/share/doc/ > folders, and redirected the output to a file, and have found the udev > manual, which seems to be so far bearing out your claim that you will be > able to name each of your drives whatever you want, regardless of their > actual physical connections as seen by the kernel. > > However it involves the use of symlinks to do so, not the -L parameter > being applied to the drive to label it. Do some reading in the following > file - > > > > You may have to install the udev document package first if it's not > already there on your machine. I've been going nuts with the > documentation installs lately, and getting every man page, info page, > and html doc I can for the Linux system, so I can learn what I'm doing > with this new operating system. > > Your format command line looks good to me so far, but then I've never > had the opportunity to format any drives in Linux yet, so how would I > know? Also, I have no idea how to make a partition active. > > I'm pretty sure Karl was right when he told you that using the gparted > partition editor from a Live CD would allow you to do all of what you > want, and all from the same interface as well. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > Maybe I'm wrong on what I am about to say but I don't think so. Yes Karl is right that I can use a live CD while Ubuntu is non functional and utilize tools from the CD to operate on the hard drives. A lot of people use Knoppix designed for that purpose especially if they have some kind of rescue situation affecting the operation of their Linux Ubuntu OS. But that is not the case with me because my Ubuntu operation is currently running just fine. If I want to use gparted I can do so right from the Ubuntu command line. Also, in the deep past when ever I added a hard drive to a machine I physically installed the hard drive as master or slave and then formatted the drive to create the file system. We are here talking about a whole hard drive and not partitions on a hard drive. If I wanted partitions I would have to use something like gparted (there are others that do about the same thing) and define the boundaries of each partition and then for each partition make a file system (like ext2 or ext3 or others if we are talking windows). One cannot be using the hard drive while also trying to create fiile system(s) on it. I am not sure but I think the hard drive should not be mounted while partitions and file systems are being built on it. Windows and Linux both mount the hard drive as part of the boot process where the system is coming together in stages and for both the BIOS needs to register them -- at least for windows this is the case. For a brand new hard drive not previously installed and mounted there is no problem using the existing system to set up that hard drive. The system has to be shut down and then restarted (rebooted) in order for a new hard drive to be mounted for windows. Linux needs to have special information in the /etc/fstabs file which information is used when the system is booted from the MBR (master boot record) and brings up the system in several stages. I don't know the details for windows bringing up the system. Once a Linux system is running it is possible to use the umount comand to dismount a hard drive or the mount comand to remount one previously unmounted. This can be done right from the command line. So someone using Linux from the command line can unmount a hard drive in order to do some kind of maintenance on that drive and once that is done remount the hard drive from the command line using the mount command. In Linux, mounting involves assigning a hard drive designation to a system mount identification. For example, "/dev/hda1" to "/tmp" where "/tmp" has to be previously defined by the command line command "mkdir /tmp". These are probably the symbolic links you talked about. Anyway these links need to be defined in "/etc/fstabs" if one wants the links to be permanent. Otherwise, they disappear after a shutdown. All the above just to prove that Ubuntu as a system can be operating while one of it's hard drives have been unmounted so certain changes can be made and then after the changes have been made the hard drive can be mounted. Lastly, you were right in saying the hard drives we have been talking about were SCSI. They definitely are not SATA drives . When they were installed it would appear that the shop that installed them simply installed SCSI drives because there were too many hard drives to use IDE drives (usually IDE has at most 4 drives but an extension IDE channel card can up this to 8) and I had asked for the kind of operation that could only be done at that time with SCSI. But I did not know this shop had done this SCSI installation until you pointed out that these hard drives were SCSI. Dumb eh! I had just assumed they had installed the IDE channel extension card but not so! I should have looked. Dumb again eh! So I have decided in the next few days to update "/etc/fstabs" to change the linking information and then dismount one of the hard drives (the one I identified earlier) and then just format over the exiting filesystem replacing it with an ext3 file system per our previous conversations. There will be no partitions on this hard drive.Then I will remount the hard drive and hopefully everything will work. Thanks -- Ted Hope some of this information will help you. You have been very helpful partly as a sounding board and partly because you challenged my memory so I started to remember things I had forgotten. Thanks a lot. Have a nice day. From hs.samix at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 02:51:00 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? In-Reply-To: <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: stan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:00:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2009/3/21 stan : >>> I've got a really old version of Debian running on an internal amchine. As >>> a matter offact the kerrnel was last compiled in 2003! >>> >>> I want to try to find a pacjage (.deb) to install on this machine, and I >>> need to know the version of Debian on this machine to start googling. >>> >>> How do I determine this? >>> >> $ cat /etc/issue >> > Tried that > > > Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l If this is what it shows, then your system appears to be a mix of Testing and Unstable. In case you are not aware, these are continuously developed version of Debian (in addition to Stable). > This system is too old for that :-( > List the contents of /etc/apt/souces.list. It will list which repos it will check. There are some very fine points involved in updating your system of installing new stuff if it is Testing/Unstable (as opposed to a named version). But the best I can do is direct you to Debian User mailing list. You will find some of the most knowledgeable, thorough and helpful people there. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From dcurtis at uniserve.com Sun Mar 22 03:24:36 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:24:36 -0400 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20090321232436.2074af51.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:20:51 -0400 Ronny Julian wrote: > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the > Applications menu or am I missing something. > > Thanks for the help! > Ronny K4RJJ > Not necessarily, some apps have menu entries and some do not. Taking a look at 'properties' in synaptic for the apps without a menu entry will tell you the name of the binary executable you need to invoke in a terminal, or with alt-F2 if it is a gui app. All are usually installed in /usr/bin/. -- David Curtis From mirjafarali at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 04:06:22 2009 From: mirjafarali at gmail.com (MirJafar Ali) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:36:22 +0530 Subject: STLDb4 Message-ID: Hello, Is STLDb4 available in Ubuntu package manager ? I had downloaded the software from SourceForge, but found it difficult to install, so backing on Ubuntu now. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandyinchina at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 04:12:58 2009 From: sandyinchina at gmail.com (Sandy Harris) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:12:58 +0800 Subject: firefox does not start Message-ID: Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is running and I must kill that or restart the computer. I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking for processes to kill. No joy. Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock or var/run. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 22 04:16:27 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:16:27 -0400 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? In-Reply-To: <49C56C58.9080505@knutejohnson.com> References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> <49C46286.2060103@knutejohnson.com> <49C56C58.9080505@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <49C5BB9B.2040001@gatech.edu> Knute Johnson wrote: >> I think Matthew's point was that it doesn't appear to be from the output >> you showed us, even though you told us it was. Are you sure it's mounted, >> can you navigate to it and read files? What is the output of the command, >> mount? > > But I was wrong. It was mounted at one point but not any more. Is > there a simple way to confirm that a jump drive is mounted? Yes, run df (or mount). :) My preferred variant is df -Th. Matt Flaschen From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sun Mar 22 04:38:53 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:38:53 -0700 Subject: How do I get df to work on jump drive? In-Reply-To: <49C5BB9B.2040001@gatech.edu> References: <49C44266.2000308@knutejohnson.com> <49C44A6A.8090601@gatech.edu> <49C46286.2060103@knutejohnson.com> <49C56C58.9080505@knutejohnson.com> <49C5BB9B.2040001@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49C5C0DD.9090506@knutejohnson.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Knute Johnson wrote: >>> I think Matthew's point was that it doesn't appear to be from the output >>> you showed us, even though you told us it was. Are you sure it's mounted, >>> can you navigate to it and read files? What is the output of the command, >>> mount? >> But I was wrong. It was mounted at one point but not any more. Is >> there a simple way to confirm that a jump drive is mounted? > > Yes, run df (or mount). :) My preferred variant is df -Th. > > Matt Flaschen > Thanks very much Matt. -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From sandyinchina at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 04:53:54 2009 From: sandyinchina at gmail.com (Sandy Harris) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:53:54 +0800 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. > Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. > > Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where > if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is > running and I must kill that or restart the computer. Solved. As part of the install, I'd copied /home from another disk, but I did that as root so some file owner/group labels were wrong. A chown -R fixed it. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China From esj at harvee.org Sun Mar 22 05:27:36 2009 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:27:36 -0400 Subject: modprobe blacklist help desperately needed. Message-ID: acer 8204 laptop. webcam is a SPOS and I need to blacklist it in order to run it. I fixed the problem on 8.04 by blacklisting gspca. I upgraded to 8.10 from 8.04 and, as to be expected, the webcam failed in it's usual way but this time the blacklisting failed to fix the problem. Mar 21 14:58:36 first-triad kernel: [ 620.717639] gspca: probing 046d:0892 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.924434] vc032x: check sensor header 44 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925200] usb 5-8: USB disconnect, address 50 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925212] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925220] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925229] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925237] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925245] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925253] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925258] vc032x: Unknown sensor... Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925279] vc032x: probe of 5-8:1.0 failed with error -22 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 621.202960] usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 51 Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 621.377290] usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice blacklist line: # acer vid camera sucks. blacklist gspca what should I try next? my machine is really unusable until I can get the constant retrys halted. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 05:42:05 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:42:05 -0300 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: > Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. > Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. > > Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where > if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is > running and I must kill that or restart the computer. > > I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", > "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking > for processes to kill. No joy. > > Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that > causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock > or var/run. > > -- > Sandy Harris, > Quanzhou, Fujian, China > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Perhaps you could try the graphical alternative: System - Administration - System Monitor - Processes Look for Firefox and kill it. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From walton at vyper.hopto.org Sun Mar 22 05:47:20 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:47:20 -0600 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c9aab1$b3b078b0$1b116a10$@hopto.org> I assume you have tried the obvious restart? -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Harris Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:13 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: firefox does not start Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is running and I must kill that or restart the computer. I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking for processes to kill. No joy. Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock or var/run. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 22 05:50:28 2009 From: chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au (Chris Taylor) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 References: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:25:59 +0000, Chris Taylor wrote: > I just downloaded AVG 7.5.51-a1423 and I can't get working correctly. I > know I need to get license number but this is only the free ver so where > do I get that from. > > terminal window output > AVG7 Anti-Virus command line scanner > Copyright (c) 2007 GRISOFT, s.r.o. > Program version 7.5.51, engine 442 > Virus Database: Version 269.19.5/1228 2008-01-16 Previous registered > license number: 70FREE-TX-IB-P1-C01-S139FC-327 Enter license number: Thanks to everyone that has replied may it have been about IE not sure where that came from but anyway. As I see now I don't really need a AV for linux stand alone system BUT is it not the responsibility of everyone to make sure that they don't pass a virus onto family, friends and other users alike. I do use a windows software from the ATO that is Etax, So I would like to make sure that I have no worms trojens or other unwanted. I'm still very new to linux and ubuntu but so glad I have made the change from dark side. Wish I had done this many many years ago!! I do like someone's option of "Windows in a virtual environment (VirtuaBox for instance)" Would like to learn and hear more about this. Any help would be appreciated From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 07:55:05 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:55:05 -0700 Subject: modprobe blacklist help desperately needed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C5EED9.3030807@cmc.net> Where have you put that blacklist line? I was just looking at the output of modprobe earlier tonight. There are a bunch of blacklist lines in the configuration file, and they all start at the top, and continue down for many, many, pages in the file. Modprobe is designed for adding things like new blacklist lines to the configuration for you, so have a look at "man modprobe" in Terminal to discover how to do it. I note that when looking at the output from modprobe earlier, even 'though it had my nvidia video card driver blacklisted early in the file, it later enables and runs the same driver for me according to the later output in the same file. I had to pipe the output of modprobe through more as there was way too much to keep in the scroll buffer in Terminal. Here's the command to dump the configuration out where you can look at it before making any changes - modprobe -c --showconfig | more "man modprobe" of course will load the manual for you, so you can look up how to use it to blacklist, then later run your driver, or whatever you have to do with it. Later, Ray Parrish Eric S. Johansson wrote: > acer 8204 laptop. webcam is a SPOS and I need to blacklist it in order to run > it. I fixed the problem on 8.04 by blacklisting gspca. I upgraded to 8.10 from > 8.04 and, as to be expected, the webcam failed in it's usual way but this time > the blacklisting failed to fix the problem. > > Mar 21 14:58:36 first-triad kernel: [ 620.717639] gspca: probing 046d:0892 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.924434] vc032x: check sensor header 44 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925200] usb 5-8: USB disconnect, > address 50 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925212] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925220] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925229] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925237] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925245] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925253] vc032x: I2c Bus Busy Wait 0 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925258] vc032x: Unknown sensor... > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 620.925279] vc032x: probe of 5-8:1.0 > failed with error -22 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 621.202960] usb 5-8: new high speed USB > device using ehci_hcd and address 51 > Mar 21 14:58:37 first-triad kernel: [ 621.377290] usb 5-8: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > > blacklist line: > > # acer vid camera sucks. > blacklist gspca > > > what should I try next? my machine is really unusable until I can get the > constant retrys halted. > > > -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 08:12:29 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:12:29 -0700 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C5F2ED.5080806@cmc.net> Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: > >> Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. >> Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. >> >> Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where >> if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is >> running and I must kill that or restart the computer. >> >> I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", >> "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking >> for processes to kill. No joy. >> >> Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that >> causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock >> or var/run. >> >> -- >> Sandy Harris, >> Quanzhou, Fujian, China >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> >> > > Perhaps you could try the graphical alternative: > > System - Administration - System Monitor - Processes > > Look for Firefox and kill it. > Hello, I usually use "ps -C firefox" to discover the PID of a zombie, but it may not be in memory at all. I recently had the same problem, and the fix for me turned out to be renaming the Firefox profile folder, so that Firefox had to begin a new one on startup. Something in the old profile was telling Firefox it had already started, so it kept balking on me until I renamed the profile folder, and began a new profile. I still haven't discovered what it was in the old profile folder that was causing the problem, but I still have it, so maybe some day I'll be able to find out what it was exactly. Jere's the location of the Firefox profile folder. /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/sl4dj5fs.default Yours of course will have your actual user name in place of the "username" that appears in that path string. Rename the last folder on the path, by changing the .default extension to .backup and you should then be able to start Firefox again. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Sun Mar 22 07:49:25 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:49:25 +0100 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200903220849.25699.kassube@gmx.net> Ronny Julian wrote: > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of > the Applications menu or am I missing something. In the German section description it says "Amateurfunk (universe)", so those programs are probably in the universe repository. Do you have the universe repository enabled? Nils From nytrokiss at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 09:06:42 2009 From: nytrokiss at gmail.com (James Matthews) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:06:42 +0200 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: <49C5F2ED.5080806@cmc.net> References: <49C5F2ED.5080806@cmc.net> Message-ID: <8a6b8e350903220206r75d7c9dbp59dcf9bed8670d0c@mail.gmail.com> You can also try killall firefox On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ray Parrish wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Sandy Harris > wrote: > > > >> Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. > >> Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. > >> > >> Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where > >> if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is > >> running and I must kill that or restart the computer. > >> > >> I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", > >> "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking > >> for processes to kill. No joy. > >> > >> Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that > >> causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock > >> or var/run. > >> > >> -- > >> Sandy Harris, > >> Quanzhou, Fujian, China > >> > >> -- > >> ubuntu-users mailing list > >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > >> > >> > > > > Perhaps you could try the graphical alternative: > > > > System - Administration - System Monitor - Processes > > > > Look for Firefox and kill it. > > > Hello, > > I usually use "ps -C firefox" to discover the PID of a zombie, but it > may not be in memory at all. I recently had the same problem, and the > fix for me turned out to be renaming the Firefox profile folder, so that > Firefox had to begin a new one on startup. Something in the old profile > was telling Firefox it had already started, so it kept balking on me > until I renamed the profile folder, and began a new profile. > > I still haven't discovered what it was in the old profile folder that > was causing the problem, but I still have it, so maybe some day I'll be > able to find out what it was exactly. Jere's the location of the Firefox > profile folder. > > /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/sl4dj5fs.default > > Yours of course will have your actual user name in place of the > "username" that appears in that path string. Rename the last folder on > the path, by changing the .default extension to .backup and you should > then be able to start Firefox again. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > -- > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/Watches.asp?Brand=71 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 09:47:27 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:47:27 -0700 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <49C6092F.6070106@cmc.net> Ronny Julian wrote: > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the > Applications menu or am I missing something. > > Thanks for the help! > Ronny K4RJJ > Hello, Yes, I have discovered that Ubuntu's menu management software doesnt always add new menu items to your menus if you don't have the folders in your menu already that the new menu item is specifying in it's .desktop file for the location it should be installed to. To get around this, you can always run Menu Editor, and manually add your new menu items. Firt to get an idea of just how many programs Ubuntu has neglected to add to your menu, run the following command in Terminal. update-menus --stdout > ~/menuitems.txt Now open the menuitems.txt file with Gedit [Text Editor on th Applicaations menu] and start looking through it for software packages that do not have menu entries on your current menu. When you find one, open the Menu Editor by right clicking on the menu on your top panel, and select "Edit Menus" from the small drop down menu. Decide where on your menu that you want to add the new menu item, and create the new menu folder page if it doesn't already exist. Now select that newly created page of the menu, and then click the New Item button on the right hand side of the menu editor dialog. Copy and paste the command line for the new program from the menuitems.txt file, into the "Command" text entry box, then if an icon file has been specified already, click the icon that appears on the small dialog, and then click the Browse button on the select icon dialog. Make sure you have previously copied the new menu entrie's icon path and filename, so that when you add it to the icon selection dialog, all you have to do, it paste in the new icon setting after clicking the browse button, and then click "OK" on the menu item dialog to close it. Continue down through the menuitems.txt file, and install any of the packages that you want to appear on your menu. When you have entered them all, close the menu editor, and you're done! 8-) You should have a read here as well to familiarize yourself with the menu system in Ubuntu. "The Debian Menu System" The folders specified in that reference may vary slightly from the Ubuntu locations, but for the most part they are in the same places, as Ubuntu is a Debian based system. Note that you can add command line programs to menu items as well, but you will need to specify "Application in Terminal" in the drop down selection list at the top of the menu item properties dialog for them, instead of the default "Application" selection. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 10:24:46 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:24:46 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00903220324l7930a931t3e1cf82b59bc0019@mail.gmail.com> > I'm still very new to linux and ubuntu but so glad I have made the change > from dark side. Wish I had done this many many years ago!! > I do like someone's option of "Windows in a virtual environment > (VirtuaBox for instance)" Would like to learn and hear more about this. > Any help would be appreciated > Short answer: Virtualbox is a program that runs Windows in it's own window inside Linux. Expanded answer: Virtual box can be extended to give the appearance of running _both_ Linux and Windows simultaneously, each with it's own task bar and menus. It is amazing. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From norman at littletank.org Sun Mar 22 10:52:36 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:52:36 +0000 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C6092F.6070106@cmc.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> <49C6092F.6070106@cmc.net> Message-ID: <1237719156.6537.80.camel@localhost> < snip > > To get around this, you can always run Menu Editor, and manually add > your new menu items. Firt to get an idea of just how many programs > Ubuntu has neglected to add to your menu, run the following command in > Terminal. > > update-menus --stdout > ~/menuitems.txt > > Now open the menuitems.txt file with Gedit [Text Editor on th > Applicaations menu] and start looking through it for software packages > that do not have menu entries on your current menu. When you find one, > open the Menu Editor by right clicking on the menu on your top panel, > and select "Edit Menus" from the small drop down menu. < snip > I thought I would try this but got an error update-menus command not found. I wonder why? Norman From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:12:15 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:12:15 +1000 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <20090321232436.2074af51.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> <20090321232436.2074af51.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <200903222112.15893.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Guys On Sunday 22 March 2009 13:24:36 David Curtis wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:20:51 -0400 > > Ronny Julian wrote: > > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the > > Applications menu or am I missing something. > > > > Thanks for the help! > > Ronny K4RJJ > > Not necessarily, some apps have menu entries and some do not. Taking a > look at 'properties' in synaptic for the apps without a menu entry will > tell you the name of the binary executable you need to invoke in a > terminal, or with alt-F2 if it is a gui app. All are usually installed in > /usr/bin/. > > -- > David Curtis I learned a while back that not all programs will show in the applications menu. However they might show if you enable the "debian menu" which will give many more programs you can click on not in the ordinary menu. It seems the simplest way to do this is to follow the instructions at this site http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/04/07/the-debian-menu-on-ubuntu-or-finding-all-those-programs-again/ But then some programs won't show leaving you to start them from a terminal. There's no reason you can't create a link in the menu to them though James From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:24:49 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:24:49 -0600 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <49C62001.1070709@gmail.com> Ronny Julian wrote: > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the > Applications menu or am I missing something. > > Thanks for the help! > Ronny K4RJJ > > > Alas Ronny they sometimes do not show up at all. I have to call them from a bash file in a terminal. Here is what starts my current Ham digital stuff: karl at karl-hardy:~/bin$ more psk # This starts Fldigi # fldigi & xlog & # I use fldigi and xlog. The fldigi writes to the Xlog and keeps a log of contacts. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 11:36:26 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:36:26 -0700 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <1237719156.6537.80.camel@localhost> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> <49C6092F.6070106@cmc.net> <1237719156.6537.80.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49C622BA.3020007@cmc.net> norman wrote: > < snip > > > >> To get around this, you can always run Menu Editor, and manually add >> your new menu items. Firt to get an idea of just how many programs >> Ubuntu has neglected to add to your menu, run the following command in >> Terminal. >> >> update-menus --stdout > ~/menuitems.txt >> >> Now open the menuitems.txt file with Gedit [Text Editor on th >> Applicaations menu] and start looking through it for software packages >> that do not have menu entries on your current menu. When you find one, >> open the Menu Editor by right clicking on the menu on your top panel, >> and select "Edit Menus" from the small drop down menu. >> > > < snip > > > I thought I would try this but got an error update-menus command not > found. I wonder why? > > Norman > Evidently you don't have it installed yet. let me see if I can figure out which package it come with. OK, it's installed with the package that simply has "menu" for a name.I didn't know how much you were allowed to piss in any one configured to wait here, and I'll be right back.. so we all came and we will be gone by next year Came around when we got to the top. To see if we could get around like in the old dys. 8-) I'm just the opposite, I like to go to bed early, and then not sleep very long, so I can make it up at an early hour Even if it's been two weeks without him. at least joined up with the p with the shed falling down. Later, Ray, Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 22 11:47:59 2009 From: chris.j.taylor at optusnet.com.au (Chris Taylor) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 References: <880dece00903220324l7930a931t3e1cf82b59bc0019@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:24:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I'm still very new to linux and ubuntu but so glad I have made the >> change from dark side. Wish I had done this many many years ago!! I do >> like someone's option of "Windows in a virtual environment (VirtuaBox >> for instance)" Would like to learn and hear more about this. Any help >> would be appreciated >> >> > Short answer: > Virtualbox is a program that runs Windows in it's own window inside > Linux. > > Expanded answer: > Virtual box can be extended to give the appearance of running _both_ > Linux and Windows simultaneously, each with it's own task bar and menus. > It is amazing. Is this apart of linux, from the repo's or purchasable program From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 12:11:57 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:11:57 -0700 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C622BA.3020007@cmc.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> <49C6092F.6070106@cmc.net> <1237719156.6537.80.camel@localhost> <49C622BA.3020007@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C62B0D.6060907@cmc.net> Ray Parrish wrote: > norman wrote: > >> < snip > >> >> >> >>> To get around this, you can always run Menu Editor, and manually add >>> your new menu items. Firt to get an idea of just how many programs >>> Ubuntu has neglected to add to your menu, run the following command in >>> Terminal. >>> >>> update-menus --stdout > ~/menuitems.txt >>> >>> Now open the menuitems.txt file with Gedit [Text Editor on th >>> Applicaations menu] and start looking through it for software packages >>> that do not have menu entries on your current menu. When you find one, >>> open the Menu Editor by right clicking on the menu on your top panel, >>> and select "Edit Menus" from the small drop down menu. >>> >>> >> < snip > >> >> I thought I would try this but got an error update-menus command not >> found. I wonder why? >> >> Norman >> >> > Evidently you don't have it installed yet. let me see if I can figure > out which package it come with. OK, it's installed with the package that > simply has "menu" for a name. > Wow! I don't know what happened to that last post. I just read it myself, and I don't know where all of that crap came from! Please forgive the mess it was, and take my word for it, I don't know how in the world it got those words in it at all. I'm still trying to figure out what happened to it. Anyway, the update-menus command is in the "menu" package, so you can now install and run the command, and add all the missing stuff to your menus, where it should be. I also don't know what happened to the link I thought I sent with that last post, so I'll add it to this one. This link is to a document file I've also installed from the repositories, and it is called the Debian Menu System. After reading this doc you will understand how the Ubuntu menu system works, and may be able to add things to it manually without even the help of the menu editor. All of the menu files are plain text, in an xml markup format, and use keywords in the xml tags to control how the menu gets layed out. The reason many items do not wind up appearing on your menus in the first place is due to the rules established by these xm; files, and whether or not higher level files in the menu hierarchy call for the inclusion of the particular menu folders those missing application's menu files specify they should go. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:31:45 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:31:45 -0700 Subject: How to find version of reallu old Debian machine? References: <20090321175455.GA16951@teddy.fas.com> <880dece00903211100j424549b4i2b950b9aff258d1c@mail.gmail.com> <20090321183219.GA19616@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:32:19 -0500, stan posted: [...] >> $ cat /etc/issue >> > Tried that > > > Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l > > This system is too old for that :-( The file issue is often reconfigured by the sys admin because it is presented on the consoles at logon. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:41:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:41:29 +0200 Subject: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903220324l7930a931t3e1cf82b59bc0019@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903220541y67a26f1dy740143151d195957@mail.gmail.com> > Is this apart of linux, from the repo's or purchasable program > I could answer that, but you'd be far better off typing "virtualbox ubuntu" into google and reading whatever you find there. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:48:10 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:48:10 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty release date Message-ID: <754437978-1237726091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142331076-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hi folks ! Thanx 4 all the help you've given me abt the accounting software but I just wanted to know when the final version of Jaunty is expected. Yours, KMB Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sun Mar 22 12:58:01 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:58:01 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty release date In-Reply-To: <754437978-1237726091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142331076-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <754437978-1237726091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142331076-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090322135801.a9467958.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > I just wanted to know when the final version of Jaunty is expected. April 23rd, in just one month. Here is the detailed release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule -- Vince From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:02:18 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:02:18 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty release date Message-ID: <2047309320-1237726941-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1031355951-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Thanx Vincent ------Original Message------ From: Vincent Trouilliez Sender: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support ReplyTo: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty release date Sent: Mar 22, 2009 6:28 PM > I just wanted to know when the final version of Jaunty is expected. April 23rd, in just one month. Here is the detailed release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule -- Vince -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From craighagerman at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:08:33 2009 From: craighagerman at gmail.com (Craig Hagerman) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:08:33 +0900 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. What is Jaunty using then if there is no xorg.conf ? From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sun Mar 22 13:53:03 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:53:03 +0100 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090322145303.5abf4330.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:08:33 +0900 Craig Hagerman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. > > What is Jaunty using then if there is no xorg.conf ? It doens't use anything AIUI, it just uses sensible defaults for the hardward it detects, which works for most people. This way you only need to specify a xorg.conf file if you need to force xorg to use specific parameters for you particular, non-standard use case. -- Vince From esj at harvee.org Sun Mar 22 14:03:36 2009 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:03:36 -0400 Subject: modprobe blacklist help desperately needed. In-Reply-To: <49C5EED9.3030807@cmc.net> References: <49C5EED9.3030807@cmc.net> Message-ID: Ray Parrish wrote: > Where have you put that blacklist line? I was just looking at the output > of modprobe earlier tonight. There are a bunch of blacklist lines in the > configuration file, and they all start at the top, and continue down for > many, many, pages in the file. at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist esj at first-triad:~$ tail /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist blacklist asus_acpi # low-quality, just noise when being used for sound playback, causes # hangs at desktop session start (Ubuntu: #246969) blacklist snd_pcsp # acer vid camera sucks. blacklist gspca > > Modprobe is designed for adding things like new blacklist lines to the > configuration for you, so have a look at "man modprobe" in Terminal to > discover how to do it. I note that when looking at the output from > modprobe earlier, even 'though it had my nvidia video card driver > blacklisted early in the file, it later enables and runs the same driver > for me according to the later output in the same file. > > I had to pipe the output of modprobe through more as there was way too > much to keep in the scroll buffer in Terminal. Here's the command to > dump the configuration out where you can look at it before making any > changes - > modprobe -c --showconfig | more good clue. found lots of gspca associated symbols and so I looked the usb id. esj at first-triad:~$ modprobe -c --showconfig | grep 0892 alias usb:v046Dp0892d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip* gspca_vc032x I'm going to try blacklisting gspca_vc032x and see what happens. thanks for the help. much appreciated. --- eric From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 22 14:07:53 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:07:53 -0600 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090322080753.06226ec8@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:08:33 +0900 Craig Hagerman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Dotan Cohen > wrote: > > The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. > > What is Jaunty using then if there is no xorg.conf ? > I think this article explains it pretty good. http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/hal/ However, if you manually add items it /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it is supposed to read the file and use it. good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 14:19:53 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:19:53 -0700 Subject: Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:21:30 -0700, Ted Hilts posted: >[...] I don't think the physical location and physical order of the hard > drives is of any importance but rather the label of the hard drive is > probably what the kernel looks for. You may mount drives using the device node (i.e. /dev/sd(x) or Label (which you can give it when you format it or later) or UUID which is given it at format. You might want to have a look at the directory /dev/disk/ and/or the command blkid. Perhaps you would also benefit from reading the manual page for mount. >(3) Also, in my case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive >label designation could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous >windows XP designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have >to change /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard >drive I am converting so that the Linux designation of that drive >replaces it. Yep, fstab needs to point to the right designation. Just to be clear, sda is the device node not the label but, probably, you were using label in a generic sense. >(5) Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as >it would be if "/" > (system root) was placed on it. Grub doesn't care about which partition is set as active, that is something that was necessary for DOS/Windows MBRs. >[...] From tomahadi at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 14:23:40 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:23:40 +0600 Subject: Login window resolution Message-ID: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window resolution to 1024*768? Regards, Mahadi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amichai at iglu.org.il Sun Mar 22 15:10:43 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:10:43 +0200 Subject: GUI to create a multi ISO DOK? Message-ID: Hello all, I have qa 32GB DOK and I would like to do the following: I have a bunch of ISOs for different tools, for instance, Anti Virus, HDD Diagnostics and so on. 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URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 15:22:08 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:22:08 +0200 Subject: OT: Getting kicked outof university, bugs will wait! Message-ID: <880dece00903220822m68ea57b8v870862dfab7d3151@mail.gmail.com> I know that I am in the middle of several very important threads regarding KDE 4.2 bugs, but I'm about two weeks from getting booted from my university. Therefore, I am going to concentrate my time on studies but _please_ when you find a bug that you don't feel confident enough filing then email me privately and in a month's time I'll go through them, triage, and file what need be. Remeber, KDE 4.2 is meant for end users, so every issue that you find with it is important! Crashers, unintuitive configuration, features missing from KDE 3, are all valid bugs and if you can't file it then let me know so that I could take care of it. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From unreal.linux at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 15:28:44 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:28:44 -0400 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > resolution to 1024*768? > > Regards, > Mahadi > What you can try is making a change in your xorg.conf file. So do a "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and scroll down until you get to display. You will see a line that has "Modes" and probably a bunch of resolutions after that. Add the resolution you need that matches your monitor and video card as the first resolution listed, and reboot. It may take some trial and error, but this should help. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From hs.samix at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 15:59:32 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:59:32 -0400 Subject: What video driver? In-Reply-To: <20090322145303.5abf4330.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <880dece00903190546k1c117ffax5577b3109c3a42dc@mail.gmail.com> <80d985600903220608l25620f79h3be68a4cd1b6d0e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090322145303.5abf4330.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:08:33 +0900 > Craig Hagerman wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> The newest Ubuntu (9.04 alpha 6) does not use xorg.conf file. >> What is Jaunty using then if there is no xorg.conf ? > > It doens't use anything AIUI, it just uses sensible defaults for the > hardward it detects, which works for most people. > This way you only need to specify a xorg.conf file if you need to force > xorg to use specific parameters for you particular, non-standard use > case. I have seen the same behavior in Hardy as well. With no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file present, a default one is used which apparently based on the detected video card and monitor. So this doesn't look like anything new only in Jaunty. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From galt at gmx.ch Sun Mar 22 16:05:29 2009 From: galt at gmx.ch (galt) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:35:29 +0530 Subject: Playback of 1080p mkv files In-Reply-To: <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C661C9.5010107@gmx.ch> I am using Intrepid with the latest kernel and NVIDIA driver. Playback of 1080p mkv files is choppy in mplayer/ vlc/ totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, while Media player classic plays them smoothly in Vista. Shall appreciate any help. Thanks G From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 16:45:58 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:45:58 -0700 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On 03/21/2009 07:20 PM, Ronny Julian wrote: > I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package > manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the > Applications menu or am I missing something. > > Thanks for the help! > Ronny K4RJJ > > As James mentioned; enable the Debian menu: sudo apt-get install menu menu-xdg sudo update-menus Right click on Applications and choose “Edit Menus” Tick Debian so that the menu will appear when you use the menu normally. You will then find: Applications|Debian|Applications|Amateur Radio From gmane at auxbuss.com Sun Mar 22 16:56:41 2009 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:56:41 +0100 Subject: Restarting Xserver from cli References: <880dece00903170723u2c4b6e53y28b92a766a1087f@mail.gmail.com> <20090317205410.d2e866df.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <880dece00903172250i6a8ef27ep9bde80e1d75940fb@mail.gmail.com> <20090318030846.41f475a6.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49C0E781.8040105@chrononomicon.com> <1237403155.13857.40.camel@chronic> <49C14BD8.7010608@chrononomicon.com> <000001c9a802$fc5a0a10$f50e1e30$@com> <880dece00903181255n7d72002dx84872288858d682@mail.gmail.com> <1237407034.13857.65.camel@chronic> <49C156DB.3000403@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: Bart Silverstrim said... > Mario Vukelic wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:55 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Those who do not know about C-A-B do not need protection, look at your > >> keyboard and tell me if you can hit that accidentally. > > > > As I said repeatedly, on most keyboards B is next to Del, and C+A+D is a > > common combo for Windows users (required to log in, at least in > > corporate installs, used to lock the screen quickly) > > We're lucky if we can get users to lock their systems when they walk away... + L (on Windows, obviously), map the same in Linux. I never thought our lot would grasp such complexity, but they managed it after a month or two. -- Cheers, Marc From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 17:23:21 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:23:21 -0700 Subject: Loading programs from Synaptic In-Reply-To: <49C62001.1070709@gmail.com> References: <49C5A083.9050008@bellsouth.net> <49C62001.1070709@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/22/2009 04:24 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Ronny Julian wrote: >> I've tried installing several Amateur radio programs with the Package >> manager. Should they be showing up in the Amateur radio section of the >> Applications menu or am I missing something. >> >> Thanks for the help! >> Ronny K4RJJ >> >> >> > Alas Ronny they sometimes do not show up at all. I have to call them > from a bash file in a terminal. Here is what starts my current Ham > digital stuff: > > karl at karl-hardy:~/bin$ more psk > # This starts Fldigi > # > fldigi & > xlog & > # > > I use fldigi and xlog. The fldigi writes to the Xlog and keeps a log > of contacts. > > > Karl > > Add the Debian menu (see my other post in this thread) & fldigi and xlog will show up there (Applications|Debian|Applications|Amateur Radio) as menu items. Note: I've just installed both to check - they do. I don't use the programs so can't verify beyond that. 73's from a member of the _original_ AB8AN (Vietnam Army MARS 1971-72 before it was reassigned for general amateur use). From cl at isbd.net Sun Mar 22 17:27:03 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:27:03 +0000 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090322172703.GA28295@v-shell-1> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:28:44AM -0400, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Mahadi Hasan wrote: > > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > > resolution to 1024*768? > > > > Regards, > > Mahadi > > > > What you can try is making a change in your xorg.conf file. So do a > "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and scroll down until you get to > display. You will see a line that has "Modes" and probably a bunch of > resolutions after that. Add the resolution you need that matches your > monitor and video card as the first resolution listed, and reboot. It > may take some trial and error, but this should help. > Not true any longer, since 8.04 I think, the resolution is set 'automatically' and there's nothing related to it in the xorg.conf. You *can* still set the resolution manually in xorg.conf but it's not normally necessary. ... and finally I'm not sure that setting the resolution in xorg.conf will affect the login screen (gdm) anyway. I think the OP is suffering from the same problem that I have, gdm doesn't use the same resolution as X. -- Chris Green From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 22 17:34:53 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:34:53 -0600 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <20090322172703.GA28295@v-shell-1> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> <20090322172703.GA28295@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <20090322113453.6f246d1b@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:27:03 +0000 Chris G wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:28:44AM -0400, Dirk Freitag wrote: > > Mahadi Hasan wrote: > > > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > > > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > > > resolution to 1024*768? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mahadi > > > > > > > What you can try is making a change in your xorg.conf file. So do > > a "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and scroll down until you get to > > display. You will see a line that has "Modes" and probably a bunch > > of resolutions after that. Add the resolution you need that > > matches your monitor and video card as the first resolution listed, > > and reboot. It may take some trial and error, but this should help. > > > Not true any longer, since 8.04 I think, the resolution is set > 'automatically' and there's nothing related to it in the xorg.conf. > > You *can* still set the resolution manually in xorg.conf but it's not > normally necessary. > > ... and finally I'm not sure that setting the resolution in xorg.conf > will affect the login screen (gdm) anyway. I think the OP is > suffering from the same problem that I have, gdm doesn't use the same > resolution as X. > To change the gdm login window resolution, you can do it in /etc/usplash.conf . Using "gksu gedit /etc/usplash.conf", add the relsolutions like this: xres=1440 yres=900 Change the numbers to what you need. This has worked for me since 6.06. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 18:57:45 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:57:45 -0700 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C68A29.80803@cmc.net> Mahadi Hasan wrote: > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > resolution to 1024*768? > > Regards, > Mahadi Hello, There are a couple of ways that you can try, have a look at the following which contains a few ways of doing what you want. I originally posted it in another group, in an attempt to help a Windows user get Ubuntu installed on his machine, which kept coming up in too high of a resolution to be able to read the screen at boot up time. Since I was writing to a green Windows user in that post, I included lot of instructions on the use of sude, etc which you might already know how to do, so skim over those parts if you already know them, and read the parts about changing the boot up resolution which you are interested in. For this firsat method, go to System, Administration, Start Up Manager on the Ubuntu menu, and then to the > Boot Options tab of the resulting dialog. This tab allows me to choose > from resolutions anywhere from 600 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 and also > selections of 8 bit to 24 bit for color depth for the login screen. > > Be prepared for a long wait while this program goes through it's > pre-configuration tasks, and post-configuration tasks when you start it > and exit it. I changed one option [resolution from 640x480 to 800x600] > and it kept running it's little progress bar animation back and forth > for the past ten minutes, so I got bored and closed it from the title > bar button. > > OK, it took me a bit of spelunking to discover this, but grub [the boot > up manager] has an optional, not always there, configuration file at > /etc/default/grub which can specify the vga mode for the boot up screen > among other things. This can be set by the use of Start Up Manager, or > alternatively created with a text editor. I had to examine the grub > scripts to find this out. By examining the > /usr/share/pyshare/bootconfig/grub.py script file which determines the > resolution on start up I found the following information. > > """Return the Grub vga code used, as an integer. > > If no code is specified in the config, 769 is returned. [which is 640 x 480, 8 bits color] > Grub vga codes: > > Colors 640x400 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x1024 1600x1200 > --------+---------------------------------------------------------- > 4 bits | ? ? 770 ? ? ? ? > 8 bits | 768 769 771 773 353 775 796 > 15 bits | ? 784 787 790 354 793 797 > 16 bits | ? 758 788 791 355 794 798 > 24 bits | ? 786 789 792 ? 795 799 > 32 bits | ? ? ? ? 356 ? ? > > There is a setting in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file which specifies this > value, and evidently the previously mentioned /etc/default/grub is not > used, as I thought, even 'though the grub.py script looks for that > configuration file. So, according to menu.lst the following applies. - > > ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified > ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below > > ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs > > ## ## Start Default Options ## > > And a ways further down from that is this section. Here you can set the video resolution for the default kernel to be booted. [Note that for 1024 x 768, 24 bits color mode, you should use vga=792 on the defoptions line below.] > > ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the > ## alternatives > ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 > # defoptions=quiet splash vga=792 > > Here we see the vga mode being set for the default boot option, and one > # sign marks it as being in use, instead of being a comment like the > lines with two ##'s in the AUTOMAGIC section of the menu.lst file. > > So... to change the default resolution used on your system during start > up,change the vga=nnn to the number representing the resolution you want in > boot/grub/menu.lst, from the table previously pasted in above, and also > make sure that no /etc/default/grub file exists that could modify the > value to one you do not want. > > I also note that it states in the grub.py file that if no code is > specified in the config it will default to the value vga=769 which > corresponds to 640x480, 8 bit colors. Further, to apply that resolution to > all kernels installed and specified in the menu.lst file, instead of > just the default kernel, you would need to change the following section > of the AUTOMAGIC section to include the vga=792 setting as shown below, > and you would leave out the change to the defoptions section above, > which only applies to the default kernel in use. > > ## default kernel options for automagic boot options > ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z > ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. > ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro > ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro > ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro > # kopt=root=UUID=d87df8a8-9b0a-46c9-82ef-7c5503f46c62 ro vga=792 [once again, for a resolution at boot up of 1024 x 768 in 24 bit color mode, use vga=792 on the configuration line above.] There you go, three ways to set the resolution of your start up screen. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From cl at isbd.net Sun Mar 22 19:11:16 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:11:16 +0000 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <20090322113453.6f246d1b@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6592C.9030507@gmail.com> <20090322172703.GA28295@v-shell-1> <20090322113453.6f246d1b@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090322191116.GB7847@v-shell-1> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:34:53AM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:27:03 +0000 > Chris G wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:28:44AM -0400, Dirk Freitag wrote: > > > Mahadi Hasan wrote: > > > > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > > > > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > > > > resolution to 1024*768? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mahadi > > > > > > > > > > What you can try is making a change in your xorg.conf file. So do > > > a "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and scroll down until you get to > > > display. You will see a line that has "Modes" and probably a bunch > > > of resolutions after that. Add the resolution you need that > > > matches your monitor and video card as the first resolution listed, > > > and reboot. It may take some trial and error, but this should help. > > > > > Not true any longer, since 8.04 I think, the resolution is set > > 'automatically' and there's nothing related to it in the xorg.conf. > > > > You *can* still set the resolution manually in xorg.conf but it's not > > normally necessary. > > > > ... and finally I'm not sure that setting the resolution in xorg.conf > > will affect the login screen (gdm) anyway. I think the OP is > > suffering from the same problem that I have, gdm doesn't use the same > > resolution as X. > > > > To change the gdm login window resolution, you can do it > in /etc/usplash.conf . Using "gksu gedit /etc/usplash.conf", add the > relsolutions like this: > > xres=1440 > yres=900 > > Change the numbers to what you need. This has worked for me since 6.06. > Changing /etc/usplash.conf only seems to change the splash screen resolution, not the gdm login screen. In addition I think you need to run update-initramfs for the changes to take effect. So, I can change my splash screen resolution now but the gdm login is obstinately still where it was. -- Chris Green From cl at isbd.net Sun Mar 22 19:13:09 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:13:09 +0000 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <49C68A29.80803@cmc.net> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C68A29.80803@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090322191309.GC7847@v-shell-1> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:57:45AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Mahadi Hasan wrote: > > My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My > > desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window > > resolution to 1024*768? > > > > Regards, > > Mahadi > Hello, > > There are a couple of ways that you can try, have a look at the > following which contains a few ways of doing what you want. I originally > posted it in another group, in an attempt to help a Windows user get > Ubuntu installed on his machine, which kept coming up in too high of a > resolution to be able to read the screen at boot up time. > > Since I was writing to a green Windows user in that post, I included > lot of instructions on the use of sude, etc which you might already know > how to do, so skim over those parts if you already know them, and read > the parts about changing the boot up resolution which you are interested in. > > For this firsat method, go to System, Administration, Start Up Manager > on the Ubuntu menu, and then to the > > Boot Options tab of the resulting dialog. This tab allows me to choose > > from resolutions anywhere from 600 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 and also > > selections of 8 bit to 24 bit for color depth for the login screen. > > > > Be prepared for a long wait while this program goes through it's > > pre-configuration tasks, and post-configuration tasks when you start it > > and exit it. I changed one option [resolution from 640x480 to 800x600] > > and it kept running it's little progress bar animation back and forth > > for the past ten minutes, so I got bored and closed it from the title > > bar button. > > > > OK, it took me a bit of spelunking to discover this, but grub [the boot > > up manager] has an optional, not always there, configuration file at > > /etc/default/grub which can specify the vga mode for the boot up screen > > among other things. This can be set by the use of Start Up Manager, or > > alternatively created with a text editor. I had to examine the grub > > scripts to find this out. By examining the > > /usr/share/pyshare/bootconfig/grub.py script file which determines the > > resolution on start up I found the following information. > > > > """Return the Grub vga code used, as an integer. > > > > If no code is specified in the config, 769 is returned. [which is 640 > x 480, 8 bits color] > > Grub vga codes: > > > > Colors 640x400 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x1024 1600x1200 > > --------+---------------------------------------------------------- > > 4 bits | ? ? 770 ? > ? ? ? > > 8 bits | 768 769 771 773 > 353 775 796 > > 15 bits | ? 784 787 790 > 354 793 797 > > 16 bits | ? 758 788 791 > 355 794 798 > > 24 bits | ? 786 789 792 > ? 795 799 > > 32 bits | ? ? ? ? > 356 ? ? > > > > There is a setting in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file which specifies this > > value, and evidently the previously mentioned /etc/default/grub is not > > used, as I thought, even 'though the grub.py script looks for that > > configuration file. So, according to menu.lst the following applies. - > > > > ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified > > ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below > > > > ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs > > > > ## ## Start Default Options ## > > > > And a ways further down from that is this section. Here you can set > the video resolution for the default kernel to be booted. > > [Note that for 1024 x 768, 24 bits color mode, you should use vga=792 on > the defoptions line below.] > > > > ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not > with the > > ## alternatives > > ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 > > # defoptions=quiet splash vga=792 > > > > Here we see the vga mode being set for the default boot option, and one > > # sign marks it as being in use, instead of being a comment like the > > lines with two ##'s in the AUTOMAGIC section of the menu.lst file. > > > > So... to change the default resolution used on your system during start > > up,change the vga=nnn to the number representing the resolution you > want in > > boot/grub/menu.lst, from the table previously pasted in above, and also > > make sure that no /etc/default/grub file exists that could modify the > > value to one you do not want. > > > > I also note that it states in the grub.py file that if no code is > > specified in the config it will default to the value vga=769 which > > corresponds to 640x480, 8 bit colors. Further, to apply that > resolution to > > all kernels installed and specified in the menu.lst file, instead of > > just the default kernel, you would need to change the following section > > of the AUTOMAGIC section to include the vga=792 setting as shown below, > > and you would leave out the change to the defoptions section above, > > which only applies to the default kernel in use. > > > > ## default kernel options for automagic boot options > > ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z > > ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. > > ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro > > ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro > > ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro > > # kopt=root=UUID=d87df8a8-9b0a-46c9-82ef-7c5503f46c62 ro vga=792 > > [once again, for a resolution at boot up of 1024 x 768 in 24 bit color > mode, use vga=792 on the configuration line above.] > > There you go, three ways to set the resolution of your start up screen. 8-) > .... but isn't that "start up screen" as opposed to the gdm login screen? -- Chris Green From mzuniga at att.net Wed Mar 18 16:43:26 2009 From: mzuniga at att.net (Miguel A. Zuniga) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:43:26 -0400 Subject: easily/safely type unicode characters? Message-ID: <005d01c9a7e8$a9970db0$fcc52910$@net> Hi, I was just reading your question about typing Unicode characters. I have the same question but unable yet to find an answer, were you able to get any answer to your question? 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When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the internet, one of them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do I. Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? Raymond Say and be what you want. Those that care don't matter and those that matter won't care. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. 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URL: From kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:43:57 2009 From: kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com (kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:43:57 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry><49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hi karl .. Thanx 4 the advice but I wasn't referring to auto cad and what I really meant was that I wanted to know weather or not there are any open source 3D/2D CAD/Building Information Modeling software available for Ubuntu and I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: "Karl F. Larsen" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:23:15 To: ; Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? > Yours , > KMB > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > There are no AutoCAD products written for Linux. It is all written for windows and I think you might be smart to go back to Windows XP. Vista has many issues. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Mar 19 16:55:14 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:55:14 -0700 Subject: [OT] Re: imap problems In-Reply-To: <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> References: <49C23D81.5030109@gmail.com> <49C23F2C.30201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903190955.20993.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 19 March 2009 5:48:44 am Dirk Freitag wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, if IMAP has so many issues with Gmail servers, > why use IMAP at all? I personally use POP and have never had a problem > connecting to Gmail servers. Interestingly, Gmail's pop server was offline for me for about 40 minutes this morning!! Just started working again and I got this message in the stack of mail coming from Gmail! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Mar 19 18:07:49 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:49 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200903191107.56289.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 19 March 2009 5:10:39 am madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks ! > I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a > lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would > have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS > Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there > are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are > compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? There's QCad that you might look at but it likely less than you are looking for. And of course this way http://architectafrica.com/bin0/news200411111_wine.html Also you may want to take a look at http://www.cycas.de/produkt.php?s=en#top as they have gone to also supporting modern computers! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From noor.mohamed at oracle.com Fri Mar 20 13:15:19 2009 From: noor.mohamed at oracle.com (Noor Mohamed) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:45:19 +0530 Subject: Need 64 bit OS ISO IMAGE for Dell Intel core 2 duo 64 bit processor Message-ID: <49C396E7.3010601@oracle.com> Hi All, I am looking out for Ubuntu OS image matching to Dell Intel core 2 duo 64 bit processor based laptops.Can anyone point me to the location. -Noor Mohamed From kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:39:56 2009 From: kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com (kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:39:56 +0000 Subject: Open source alternative to tally Message-ID: <1851742874-1237556400-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1252666114-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Thanx a lot Franz ------Original Message------ From: Franz Waldmüller To: madanabhat27 at gmail.com To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Open source alternative to tally Sent: Mar 20, 2009 6:24 PM madanabhat27 at gmail.com schrieb: > Hi folks ! > Thanx 4 all the tips and suggestions you gave me abt the home server and the alternative to ArchiCAD but I was wondering weather or not there are any open source alternatives to tally 9.xx which are compatible with it coz we need an accounting software for our a/c dept. And as you guys would have probably figured out by now we are planning to migrate all our PC's to Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and 8.04 LTS x86 and x64 any help would be most welcome > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel Maybe you want to check out these programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_accounting_software https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accounting As you mentioned compatibility: If you migrate all your workstations I would tend to the software which works best. Import once and then stay to the native format of the software. Usually this works best. Nevertheless I would conduct sufficient testing on the software to guarantee that it fits your needs. (Entering data in both systems for a certain period) I wish you luck Franz Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From ghozey44 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 16:11:38 2009 From: ghozey44 at gmail.com (George R. Hozendorf) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:11:38 -0500 Subject: Moving Ubuntu from one drive to another Message-ID: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> I recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my Mac. I'd set up a partition for it, but when prompted it would only let me put it on the same partition the Mac OS is on. Now I can't find where it is to try to move it to the 2nd partition. How do I move it? If I can't move it, how do I get the installer to recognize the 2nd partition? Thanks, Hozey From eqisow at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:16:57 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:16:57 -0400 Subject: Need 64 bit OS ISO IMAGE for Dell Intel core 2 duo 64 bit processor In-Reply-To: <49C396E7.3010601@oracle.com> References: <49C396E7.3010601@oracle.com> Message-ID: http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/releases/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Noor Mohamed wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking out for Ubuntu OS image matching to Dell Intel core 2 duo > 64 bit processor based laptops.Can anyone point me to the location. > > > -Noor Mohamed > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:17:34 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:17:34 -0600 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> Raymond Land wrote: > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help. I just received my first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system. I am NOT very astute with computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you respond understand that I may need clarification on some things. > > > > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could have email and web access when I am away from the house. My biggest problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi. I contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I must work directly with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to speak with me but he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my problem. > > > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the internet, one of them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do I. > > > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? > > > > Raymond Say and be what you want. Those that care don't matter and those that matter won't care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to court. The above is the proper choice. If you want to try and fix the WiFi you need to get us some information: What version of Ubuntu is on the laptop? Open a terminal and type $ lspci and send us what that prints out. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 20:19:04 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:19:04 -0700 Subject: Login window resolution In-Reply-To: <20090322191309.GC7847@v-shell-1> References: <11286abe0903220723v17857846y3a2f2bb5845589b4@mail.gmail.com> <49C68A29.80803@cmc.net> <20090322191309.GC7847@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49C69D38.9030305@cmc.net> Chris G wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:57:45AM -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Mahadi Hasan wrote: >> >>> My login window resolution is bigger than that of my desktop. My >>> desktop's resolution is 1024*768. How do I bring the login window >>> resolution to 1024*768? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mahadi >>> >> Hello, >> >> There are a couple of ways that you can try, have a look at the >> following which contains a few ways of doing what you want. I originally >> posted it in another group, in an attempt to help a Windows user get >> Ubuntu installed on his machine, which kept coming up in too high of a >> resolution to be able to read the screen at boot up time. >> >> Since I was writing to a green Windows user in that post, I included >> lot of instructions on the use of sude, etc which you might already know >> how to do, so skim over those parts if you already know them, and read >> the parts about changing the boot up resolution which you are interested in. >> >> For this firsat method, go to System, Administration, Start Up Manager >> on the Ubuntu menu, and then to the >> > Boot Options tab of the resulting dialog. This tab allows me to choose >> > from resolutions anywhere from 600 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 and also >> > selections of 8 bit to 24 bit for color depth for the login screen. >> > >> > Be prepared for a long wait while this program goes through it's >> > pre-configuration tasks, and post-configuration tasks when you start it >> > and exit it. I changed one option [resolution from 640x480 to 800x600] >> > and it kept running it's little progress bar animation back and forth >> > for the past ten minutes, so I got bored and closed it from the title >> > bar button. >> > >> > OK, it took me a bit of spelunking to discover this, but grub [the boot >> > up manager] has an optional, not always there, configuration file at >> > /etc/default/grub which can specify the vga mode for the boot up screen >> > among other things. This can be set by the use of Start Up Manager, or >> > alternatively created with a text editor. I had to examine the grub >> > scripts to find this out. By examining the >> > /usr/share/pyshare/bootconfig/grub.py script file which determines the >> > resolution on start up I found the following information. >> > >> > """Return the Grub vga code used, as an integer. >> > >> > If no code is specified in the config, 769 is returned. [which is 640 >> x 480, 8 bits color] >> > Grub vga codes: >> > >> > Colors 640x400 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x1024 1600x1200 >> > --------+---------------------------------------------------------- >> > 4 bits | ? ? 770 ? >> ? ? ? >> > 8 bits | 768 769 771 773 >> 353 775 796 >> > 15 bits | ? 784 787 790 >> 354 793 797 >> > 16 bits | ? 758 788 791 >> 355 794 798 >> > 24 bits | ? 786 789 792 >> ? 795 799 >> > 32 bits | ? ? ? ? >> 356 ? ? >> > >> > There is a setting in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file which specifies this >> > value, and evidently the previously mentioned /etc/default/grub is not >> > used, as I thought, even 'though the grub.py script looks for that >> > configuration file. So, according to menu.lst the following applies. - >> > >> > ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified >> > ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below >> > >> > ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs >> > >> > ## ## Start Default Options ## >> > >> > And a ways further down from that is this section. Here you can set >> the video resolution for the default kernel to be booted. >> >> [Note that for 1024 x 768, 24 bits color mode, you should use vga=792 on >> the defoptions line below.] >> > >> > ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the >> > ## alternatives >> > ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 >> > # defoptions=quiet splash vga=792 >> > >> > Here we see the vga mode being set for the default boot option, and one >> > # sign marks it as being in use, instead of being a comment like the >> > lines with two ##'s in the AUTOMAGIC section of the menu.lst file. >> > >> > So... to change the default resolution used on your system during start >> > up,change the vga=nnn to the number representing the resolution you want in >> > boot/grub/menu.lst, from the table previously pasted in above, and also >> > make sure that no /etc/default/grub file exists that could modify the >> > value to one you do not want. >> > >> > I also note that it states in the grub.py file that if no code is >> > specified in the config it will default to the value vga=769 which >> > corresponds to 640x480, 8 bit colors. Further, to apply that resolution to >> > all kernels installed and specified in the menu.lst file, instead of >> > just the default kernel, you would need to change the following section >> > of the AUTOMAGIC section to include the vga=792 setting as shown below, >> > and you would leave out the change to the defoptions section above, >> > which only applies to the default kernel in use. >> > >> > ## default kernel options for automagic boot options >> > ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z >> > ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. >> > ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro >> > ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro >> > ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro >> > # kopt=root=UUID=d87df8a8-9b0a-46c9-82ef-7c5503f46c62 ro vga=792 >> >> [once again, for a resolution at boot up of 1024 x 768 in 24 bit color >> mode, use vga=792 on the configuration line above.] >> >> There you go, three ways to set the resolution of your start up screen. 8-) >> >> > .... but isn't that "start up screen" as opposed to the gdm login screen? > I'm not aware that there is a difference between them. My system logs in automatically for me, so I never notice any differences in the various screens as my machine boots up. Hold on, I'll double check the script file to examine it's exact wording again. It just says "--Set the resolution based on grub vga code." As you can see in this copy from the script itself, and this is the function responsible for actually setting the video resolution... [begin function] def set_vga_code(self, vga): """Set the resolution based on Grub vga code. vga = grub vga code For vga codes, see get_vga_code """ options = self.__get_linux_options() for i, option in enumerate(options): if option[:4] == 'vga=': del options[i] options.append('vga=' + str(vga)) self.__set_linux_options(options) [end functiion] I've copied a couple of other functions from that script file, and I'm pasting them in here also, they change the gfxmode screen resolution [whatever that is] according to the comments in their scripts. [start quote] def get_gfxmode(self): """Return the gfxmode resolution used in Grub menu. Return -1 if no gfxmode can be and reading boune. """ return utils.get_and_trim_line(self.header_config_file, 'set gfxmode=') def set_gfxmode(self, resolution): """Set the gfxmode resolution for Grub menu. resolution ex. '1024x768' Return 1 if the value can not be set. """ filename = self.header_config_file identifier = 'set gfxmode=' line_number = utils.get_line_number(filename, identifier) if line_number == -1: # We do not know where to insert the value return 1 self.__change_config(filename, identifier, resolution) [end quote] None of these function definitions are very specific in their comments, about just exactly *where* they're setting the resolution. The only thing I can suggest is to try them, and then let us know the results, of making the changes in the different places. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:22:30 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:22:30 -0300 Subject: Need 64 bit OS ISO IMAGE for Dell Intel core 2 duo 64 bit processor In-Reply-To: <49C396E7.3010601@oracle.com> References: <49C396E7.3010601@oracle.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Noor Mohamed wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking out for Ubuntu OS image matching to Dell Intel core 2 duo > 64 bit processor based laptops.Can anyone point me to the location. > > > -Noor Mohamed You can find it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download 8.10 last version 8.04 (slightly more conservative) Long Term Support version You might choose the 64 bit version if your RAM has more than 4Gb, otherwise I guess the 32 bit version is a better choice. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:33:00 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:33:00 -0600 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry><49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C6A07C.1090206@gmail.com> kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com wrote: > Hi karl .. Thanx 4 the advice but I wasn't referring to auto cad and what I really meant was that I wanted to know weather or not there are any open source 3D/2D CAD/Building Information Modeling software available for Ubuntu and I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD In the USA there are 3 types of Autocad you can buy. They are Civil, Mechanical, and Architectural drawing software and each package costs about $3500.00 each. My son is a Civil Engineer and he owns 3 copies for his business. If your doing work for Business in the USA they will not accept your work if it is done on any other software. In other countries they may not be the same. I went to Google and you can't buy ANY version of Autocad for Ubuntu. There is a new version called Autocad LT which they sell for just under $500.00 which is a real good deal but it runs on Windows. Karl > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Karl F. Larsen" > > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:23:15 > To: ; Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 > > > madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi folks ! >> I deal with a lot of CAD and Building Information Modeling coz I design a lot of houses and other such buildings as I am an architect and as I would have probably told you guys in my last email I have just migrated from MS Windows Vista Business x64 and I would like to know weather or not there are any open source alternatives for my trusty ArchiCAD which are compatible with Ubuntu 8.10 x64 and if so then how much do they cost ? >> Yours , >> KMB >> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >> >> > There are no AutoCAD products written for Linux. It is all written > for windows and I think you might be smart to go back to Windows XP. > Vista has many issues. > > > Karl > > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Mar 22 20:35:39 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:35:39 +0100 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text Message-ID: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Someone on the wine list just suggested gnomesword for reading the bible, but having installed it, all I get is Arabic text for the bible. Anyone can confirm that when Gnomesword is installed, the only text available is in Arabic? Sorry for the strange question, but it seems a bit bizarre that I install an app to read the bible, and by default the text is in Arabic. Nigel. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 20:35:51 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:35:51 -0300 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Raymond Land wrote: >> Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help.  I just received my first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system.  I am NOT very astute with computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you respond understand that I may need clarification on some things. >> >> >> >> I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could have email and web access when I am away from the house.  My biggest problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi.  I contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I must work directly with Ubuntu.  I did get one Dell Tech to speak with me but he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my problem. >> >> >> >> When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then Administration, then Network.  A window opens entitled Network settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the internet, one of them is Wireless Connection.  Unfortunately all of the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the cursor.  No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do I. >> >> >> >> Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock".  When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password.  Where do I get this password if I need it?  The folks at Dell say they don't have a clue.  Does everyone go through this?  Do I have a mfr. problem?  Am I stupid?  Who can help me? >> Of course I suppose you have a WiFi router properly configured nearby. As with your password, Dell must have a default for new equipments. If it isn't among the user manual or other docs., they must inform you. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 20:41:09 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:41:09 -0500 Subject: 9.04 upgrade Message-ID: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> Wanting to test Jaunty, I downloaded the Release candidate and installed it on my back-up and storage unit. Being impressed I now have a question, I'm running UbuntuStudio Intrepid. When the upgrade becomes available in a few more days can I just upgrade and still have my Studio Apps. to remain in place? - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 22 20:45:34 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:45:34 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6A36E.8050500@dinamis.com> Raymond Land wrote: > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could > have email and web access when I am away from the house. My biggest > problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi. I > contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I must > work directly with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to speak with me but > he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my problem. > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then > Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network settings. > This window offers three options for connecting to the internet, one of > them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of the window choices > are in grayscale and none of them respond to the cursor. No one at Dell > knows what to do at this point and neither do I. > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". > When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. > Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they > don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. > problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? The problem is with Dell, not with Ubuntu or you. If the "support" person you spoke to couldn't tell you that the first user you created on the system has admin privileges and that all you have to do is enter the password for that first user to unlock the Network Settings dialog, that person clearly was the wrong person to speak to. The next time you call in, politely insist that you speak to someone who can support the operating system that Dell bundled with their product, Ubuntu in this case. I presume that computer came with a warranty and some sort of end-user support so Dell has an obligation to support that machine with Ubuntu. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Sun Mar 22 20:57:10 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:57:10 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get > all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and > that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to court. Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the cause of Linux at Dell. Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. It's more likely to be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing where the support personnel on the front lines not knowing about the Ubuntu support specialists that they must have. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 20:58:30 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:58:30 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Installation Problem In-Reply-To: <32CE4C0971B94E6F93B7027750CFFC18@WXPGLH1X81> References: <32CE4C0971B94E6F93B7027750CFFC18@WXPGLH1X81> Message-ID: <49C6A676.9020902@cmc.net> Tom Hanser wrote: > Package: installation-reports > > Boot method: CD drive. > Image version: January, 2009 > Date: March 15, 2009 > > Machine: Dell Dimension 2300 > Processor: P4 1.6 Ghz > Memory: 1 Gb > Partitions: Only one partition was created during installation. > > Output of lspci and lspci -n: ????? > > Base System Installation Checklist: > [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it > > Initial boot worked: [0] > Configure network HW: [0] > Config network: [0] > Detect CD: [0] > Load installer modules: [0] > Detect hard drives: [0] > Partition hard drives: [0] > Create file systems: [0] > Mount partitions: [0] > Install base system: [0] > Install boot loader: [0] > Reboot: [0] > > Comments/Problems: > > Installation went PERFECT. No problems. After restarting and logging in, I am left with a light brown desktop color, NO menus, no icons, and a working mouse. No key commands will result in anything happening on the screen. No right click contextual menus, no nothing. > > I am only using the onboard video graphics adaptor – no other video card is installed. Everything appears fine during the installation, until after a restart and login. Hello, Well, I don't see the results of any lspci commands there, but since you also stated that you couldn't enter any commands, I'm not surprised. I recently was faced with nearly the same situation upon booting up one morning. All of my panels, menus, and desktop decorations were gone, just a blank desktop staring back at me.I was however, able to use the ALT-F2 key combo to bring up a Run box, and I started a Terminal from there, to use to run further commands, which I then used to gradually rebuild my menu system, and Desktop piece at a time. It took me most of the day, and part of that night to get everything back that I had previously configured, including all of the Compiz settings, but I got it all redone, and haven't had any problems with it again. I think I may have also ran the "gtk-window-decorator --replace" command from that run box when I first started it up as well. I have previously had quite a few boots, which appeared to load everything properly, but after completion, the menu panels would not drop down into view for use, and ALT-F2 would not work as well. I could see the edge of the menu panels, they just would not react at all. CTRL-ALT-Backspace did work, but upon logging back in, the menus would be in the same condition, so I would have to ALT-F1, then "sudo reboot" to get rid of the problem. Occasionally it would happen on two boot ups running, so on the next reboot I usually would switch back to an earlier kernel version, which always seemed to boot properly for me then. I'm not real sure what was causing the problem, but did notice that alsa would log error messages in xsession.errors each time, which it does on every boot up anyway, so that's not much of a clue. Come t think of it, I haven't had that problem again, since I changed my clock source from tsc, to the following one on the end of my kernel's load line, "clocksource=acpi_pm". Before that, on each boot, the tsc clock source would get flagged as unstable by the system, which would then load acpi in it's place. I haven't had that error message in the logs for quite soe time now, and I think it has also stopped booting to the frozen desktop since around the same time. Check through the System Log viewer for errors, and see if any of them might be hanging your boot up prematurely, before your panels and menus load. Have you tried using ALT-F2 or CTRL-ALT-F1 when the problem happens? If not, check to see if they will work if it happens again. Another thing you can try, since you stated that your mouse still worked, but wouldn't bring up a right click menu, is to add an application Launcher for perhaps Nautilus and maybe Terminal on your Desktop, and see if you can start them next time. If so, you should be able to rebuild everything from there. OK, I'm out of suggestions, hopefully something will work for you. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From chris at riply.co.za Sun Mar 22 21:00:06 2009 From: chris at riply.co.za (chris at riply.co.za) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:00:06 -0500 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> References: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> Message-ID: The upgrade will not remove any of your applications =] On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:41:09 -0500, Bill Taylor wrote: > Wanting to test Jaunty, I downloaded the Release candidate and installed > it on my back-up and storage unit. Being impressed I now have a > question, I'm running UbuntuStudio Intrepid. When the upgrade becomes > available in a few more days can I just upgrade and still have my Studio > Apps. to remain in place? > - > Bond Servant, > Bill Taylor > Killer Spade 806 CE > 1968-69 From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:00:29 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:00:29 -0300 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text In-Reply-To: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > Someone on the wine list just suggested gnomesword for reading the bible, but > having installed it, all I get is Arabic text for the bible. > > Anyone can confirm that when Gnomesword is installed, the only text available > is in Arabic? > > Sorry for the strange question, but it seems a bit bizarre that I install an > app to read the bible, and by default the text is in Arabic. > > Nigel. > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Weird, it indeed defaults to Arabic. Have you fiddled with http://xiphos.org/manual/index ? -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 21:01:04 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:01:04 -0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/19/2009 05:26 PM, Raymond Land wrote: > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help. I just received > my first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system. I am NOT very > astute with computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you > respond understand that I may need clarification on some things. > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I > could have email and web access when I am away from the house. My > biggest problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via > WiFi. I contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu > system, I must work directly with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to > speak with me but he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my > problem. > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then > Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network > settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the > internet, one of them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of > the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the > cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do > I. > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". > When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. > Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say > they don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a > mfr. problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? > No, you are not stupid, but apparently the Dell techs are... enter the same password that you used when you logged in. If that doesn't work, post back (well post back anyway with your status) and we'll tell you how to set a password directly. In addition, you might want to have a look at the Dell Ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=256 http://en.community.dell.com/forums/3525.aspx http://linux.dell.com/ From chuaukantli at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:05:15 2009 From: chuaukantli at gmail.com (Ashley Benton) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:05:15 -0400 Subject: Moving Ubuntu from one drive to another In-Reply-To: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> References: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: > I recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my Mac. I'd set up a partition > for it, but when prompted it would only let me put it on the same > partition the Mac OS is on. Now I can't find where it is to try to > move it to the 2nd partition. How do I move it? If I can't move it, > how do I get the installer to recognize the 2nd partition? > Hi, I would try the manual partitioning when ask about where you want to install Ubuntu, then you should be able to put it on the partition that you want (The manual partitioning had been able to help me in cases like yours as it detected the empty partition). As to move an already installed Ubuntu on another partition I am sorry I don't know. Hope that help a little Sincerely Meg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:08:07 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:08:07 -0600 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49C6A8B7.2000702@gmail.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to court. >> > > Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? > It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the > cause of Linux at Dell. > > Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere > incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not > support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. It's more > likely to be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is > doing where the support personnel on the front lines not knowing about > the Ubuntu support specialists that they must have. There is no way that > Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support it. > You were/are not a business man. I was and it was a rule that if you spent a lot of money for a product for your company, if it fails to work call the indicated number. If they can't give you support you ask for permission to return the item. If they plead ignorance you ask to speak to their boss. At some point you will get support. Or, you take them to court. As you know today the help is outsourced to somewhere in Africa, and the voice you hear is not speaking English :-( Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 21:10:06 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:10:06 -0700 Subject: Moving Ubuntu from one drive to another In-Reply-To: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> References: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <49C6A92E.9080907@cmc.net> George R. Hozendorf wrote: > I recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my Mac. I'd set up a partition > for it, but when prompted it would only let me put it on the same > partition the Mac OS is on. Now I can't find where it is to try to > move it to the 2nd partition. How do I move it? If I can't move it, > how do I get the installer to recognize the 2nd partition? > > Thanks, > Hozey > Boot from the Live CD again, and then use the System, Administration, Partition Editor menu item, to access Gparted, with which you should be able to partition, and format the other drive. While you're doing that, you should also be able to see any second partition that may have been created on your Mac OS drive as well. If you do not find a second partition on your Mac's drive, then could it be remotely possible that you somehow installed Ubuntu with Wubi? I do not know if that is even possible on a Mac, as Wubi is a Windows program, and I do not know if they will run at all on a Mac. Wubi is the installer that will install Ubuntu within the Windows file system, as if it were just another Windows application. I'm not really even sure if it's on the normal Live CD, as I saw no options to use it when I installed Ubuntu on my machine. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 21:23:42 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:23:42 -0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6AC5E.9000003@cmc.net> Raymond Land wrote: > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help. I just received > my first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system. I am NOT very > astute with computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you > respond understand that I may need clarification on some things. > > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could > have email and web access when I am away from the house. My biggest > problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi. I > contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I > must work directly with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to speak with > me but he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my problem. > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then > Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network > settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the > internet, one of them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of > the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the > cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do I. > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". > When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. > Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they > don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. > problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? > > > /*Raymond */ > */Say and be what you want. Those that care don't matter and those > that matter won't care./* The password you need to unlock Network Manager is your password for your own user account, which normally you would create during the the process of installing Ubuntu. You need to know this password, as you will have occasion to use it over, and over again, as the need arises to install updates, new software, or edit some configuration file that is not inside your user folders, arises. there are just too many things that you need that password for to be without it. Dell evidently installed your Ubuntu, and neglected to inform you of your user password, and that is inexcusable. There is no way you can run a Ubuntu operating system on a day to day basis without your user password. go back to them, and tell them that this is the problem, and make them dig it up for you, or reinstall Ubuntu for you, and have them allow you to specify your user password yourself this time, during that installation. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:29:52 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:29:52 -0600 Subject: Moving Ubuntu from one drive to another In-Reply-To: <49C6A92E.9080907@cmc.net> References: <42118D2C-EDD8-48EA-98F3-1E62EAB46572@GMAIL.COM> <49C6A92E.9080907@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C6ADD0.9040005@gmail.com> Ray Parrish wrote: > George R. Hozendorf wrote: > >> I recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my Mac. I'd set up a partition >> for it, but when prompted it would only let me put it on the same >> partition the Mac OS is on. I don't own a MAC but it seems odd to put Ubuntu on the MAC file system. I thought it was a huge departure from the standard PC file system. Some questions: Can you use Gparted on a MAC? Will fdisk work. Will Mkfs.ext3 work? It is all new to me. Even at work we had one MAC for the TECH Writer and that was because he learned on a MAC :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 21:34:41 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:34:41 -0700 Subject: [VirtualBox] was Re: Ubunto 8.10 and AVG 7.5.51 In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903220324l7930a931t3e1cf82b59bc0019@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/22/2009 04:47 AM, Chris Taylor wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:24:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> I'm still very new to linux and ubuntu but so glad I have made the >>> change from dark side. Wish I had done this many many years ago!! I do >>> like someone's option of "Windows in a virtual environment (VirtuaBox >>> for instance)" Would like to learn and hear more about this. Any help >>> would be appreciated >>> >>> >> Short answer: >> Virtualbox is a program that runs Windows in it's own window inside >> Linux. >> >> Expanded answer: >> Virtual box can be extended to give the appearance of running _both_ >> Linux and Windows simultaneously, each with it's own task bar and menus. >> It is amazing. > > Is this apart of linux, from the repo's or purchasable program > > > It's better to start an new thread & subject. However: There is an opensource version in the repositories, however that version does not support USB (or at least it didn't, I've not checked lately) so I recommend that you install the VirtualBox PEUL version, see: http://www.virtualbox.org/ http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads Debian-based Linux distributions: Add one of the following lines according to your distribution to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free [be sure to add the key] Before you actually install VirtualBox, VMWare, or any other virtualization application please be sure to spend time googling and understanding what/how you are installing first. For VirtualBox, spend some time reviewing the forums and mailing list: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community Quite a few users on this list also use VirtualBox, so if you need help (Ubuntu related) post back with a different thread & subject and I/we'll be happy to help. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:36:54 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:36:54 +0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903221436s4ded246eg15b1a1ecd964b947@mail.gmail.com> Hello Raymond, 2009/3/20 Raymond Land : > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help.  I just received my > first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system.  I am NOT very astute with > computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you respond understand > that I may need clarification on some things. > > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could have > email and web access when I am away from the house.  My biggest problem is > this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi.  I contacted Dell and > was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I must work directly with > Ubuntu.  I did get one Dell Tech to speak with me but he didn't have a clue > as to how to solve my problem. On a standard Ubuntu system you will have an icon on the bar at the top toward the right hand side. Move your mouse pointer over there until you get a tool tip showing "networking" or "wireless networking" or something to that effect. Sorry I'm a little vague because the icon and tool tip change after a connection is made and I have now been connected for months. Once found, click on it and you will get a list of available wireless providers assuming you are within range of some providers. Some of those will be secured by password but some may not be. Just try them out. Once you have successfully connected somewhere Ubuntu will automatically connect to that point every time you log on provided that you are within range of course. > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then Administration, > then Network.  A window opens entitled Network settings. This window offers > three options for connecting to the internet, one of them is Wireless > Connection.  Unfortunately all of the window choices are in grayscale and > none of them respond to the cursor.  No one at Dell knows what to do at this > point and neither do I. > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock".  When > I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password.  Where do I > get this password if I need it?  The folks at Dell say they don't have a > clue.  Does everyone go through this?  Do I have a mfr. problem?  Am I > stupid?  Who can help me? If you are the first user on the system and I guess you are, the Administrator Password is the password you used to log on. NB It is possible Dell have configured your system different to mine but at least try out the above suggestions. I look forward to reading about how you get on Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Sun Mar 22 21:43:51 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:43:51 -0500 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C6AC5E.9000003@cmc.net> References: <49C6AC5E.9000003@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090322164351.570460de@WizardsTower> Ray Parrish said: > Dell evidently installed your Ubuntu, and neglected to inform you of > your user password, and that is inexcusable. This isn't knowledge, only supposition, but I'd expect Dell to do OEM installations in which you /are/ required to enter your own password. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From rev.olson at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:54:40 2009 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:54:40 -0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903221454.48149.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 March 2009 5:26:17 pm Raymond Land wrote: > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help. I just received my > first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system. I am NOT very astute with > computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you respond understand > that I may need clarification on some things. > > > > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could have > email and web access when I am away from the house. My biggest problem is > this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi. I contacted Dell > and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I must work directly > with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to speak with me but he didn't have a > clue as to how to solve my problem. > > > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then Administration, > then Network. A window opens entitled Network settings. This window offers > three options for connecting to the internet, one of them is Wireless > Connection. Unfortunately all of the window choices are in grayscale and > none of them respond to the cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at > this point and neither do I. > > > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". When > I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. Where do I > get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they don't have a > clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. problem? Am I > stupid? Who can help me? OK! Strange they didn't shirt you to their Ubuntu support, ...they did me! You need to say which model of laptop you have and which version of Ubuntu. Also which wificard that is installed. and check that there is not a switch to manually shut of wifi. Mine was shipped with the switch off so that might be standard. Network Manager which comes standard ought to scan and connect pretty much all by itself if the switch is on. Does it connect as a wired (network cable) connection? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 21:56:28 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:56:28 -0500 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237758988.31078.2.camel@spare> [The upgrade will not remove any of your applications =] Thank-you Chris. - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 21:08 +0000, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > 9.04 upgrade From esj at harvee.org Sun Mar 22 22:20:28 2009 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:20:28 -0400 Subject: modprobe blacklist help desperately needed. In-Reply-To: References: <49C5EED9.3030807@cmc.net> Message-ID: Eric S. Johansson wrote: >> changes - >> modprobe -c --showconfig | more > > good clue. found lots of gspca associated symbols and so I looked the usb id. > > esj at first-triad:~$ modprobe -c --showconfig | grep 0892 > alias usb:v046Dp0892d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip* gspca_vc032x > > I'm going to try blacklisting gspca_vc032x and see what happens. that worked. blacklisting gspca_vc032x was exactly what I needed to do. thank you very very much. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 22:26:05 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600 Subject: Enough already Message-ID: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I hope this will make the list. So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 22 22:49:39 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:49:39 -0400 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C6C083.9000403@roadrunner.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just > fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I > hope this will make the list. > So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. > > Karl > never used imap, was there something wrong with the pop email for you? ive been using it since gmail started and havent had a problem with it yet. Steve -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJxsCCIk8X27dthMwRAp4NAJkBuKenEFY0pFm+5kWpJ9Sur6MauQCeN525 zeYEcaDTWid8MlkpGPSH8ps= =AjAq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 22:50:17 2009 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:50:17 +0000 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1237758988.31078.2.camel@spare> References: <1237758988.31078.2.camel@spare> Message-ID: <20090322225017.7048c3f4@infinity.localnet> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:56:28 -0500 Bill Taylor wrote: > [The upgrade will not remove any of your applications =] That hasn't always been my experience. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ From res at ausics.net Sun Mar 22 22:50:27 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards Message-ID: This is so true :) http://ubuntard.com/about only thing i'd disagree with is s/Fedora/RHEL/ $flames = ; unlink "$flames"; -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From res at ausics.net Sun Mar 22 22:53:29 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:53:29 +1000 (EST) Subject: RESOLVED Re: PPTP anomaly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After 3 other ppl on list emailed me with same issue, I replaced a ubuntu packages with upstreams, problem eliminated, and confirmed by the others. On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Res wrote: > > Firstly, this isn't a "it's broken", everything still works just dandy, it's > more of a curiosity thing... I note on Ubuntu something is caching and not > releasing IP details. > > I'll use my laptop as example, intranet dhcp assigned IP of 10.99.99.14 works > great, now disable wireless, shutdown, travel to where ever, boot, no net (OK > that's good) dialin to Internet, works great... > > VPN IP range is 10.99.99.201-250, this works as indicated on XP laptops, > but on Ubuntu laptops it returns you to the previous dhcp issued address, > logout vpn, logout of dialin, reboot, repeat process, same thing, my vpn IP > is 10.99.99.14, far outside the above "remote-ip" range, as above everything > still works, but I thought it rather odd that it gets this IP still, also my > laptop boots into XP pro, Slackware 12.2 and Fedora 10, *none* of them > have this problem, only Ubuntu... another staffers dual boot laptop does same > (I actually found this issue by auditing her) keeping its last dhcp IP, > unless booted into XP when it gets a correct vpn assigned IP. > (vpn server is not the same hardware as dhcp server) > > Anyone seen anything like this? > > Cheers > > > -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 22:57:49 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:57:49 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C6C083.9000403@roadrunner.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C6C083.9000403@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49C6C26D.8090908@gmail.com> Steve Reilly wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >> hope this will make the list. >> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >> >> Karl >> >> > > never used imap, was there something wrong with the pop email for you? > ive been using it since gmail started and havent had a problem with it yet. > > > > Steve > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJxsCCIk8X27dthMwRAp4NAJkBuKenEFY0pFm+5kWpJ9Sur6MauQCeN525 > zeYEcaDTWid8MlkpGPSH8ps= > =AjAq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > It would be fair easy to change to pop mail from gmail as well. I may try that later and see if it works better. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From crp at cmc.net Sun Mar 22 22:58:28 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:58:28 -0700 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 In-Reply-To: <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry><49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49C6C294.3040804@cmc.net> kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com wrote: > Hi karl .. Thanx 4 the advice but I wasn't referring to auto cad and what I really meant was that I wanted to know weather or not there are any open source 3D/2D CAD/Building Information Modeling software available for Ubuntu and I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > Hello, I'm a draftsman, or was... before I got put on disability,, and I have QCad, and SaGcad installed on Ubuntu so far. Qcad seems to be a fairly usable CAD program, with many nice features, including layers, and dimensioning tools, but it is only 2D in nature. SaGcad on the other hand doesn't seem as polished, in that it has no menus at all, just toolbar buttons, and seemingly no way to enable any menus. I also could not find a basic line drawing tool when I went through all of it's buttons. It's from Japan, and even has some Japanese lettering wthin it's interface. I haven't examined the file types they output yet, so i'm not sure if they are compatible with anything else in that respect. I also have Inkscape Vector Graphics Editor installed, and it is a bit too complicated for my tastes. I'm not sure what a person would draw with it, and have only looked at it briefly, before giving up on creating anything wiht it, as I was looking for a normal CAD program at that point, not a high end graphics editor. All of those are available in the Ubuntu repositories via the Synaptic Package Manager. There is also Blender which is a 3D modeler / renderer according to it's menu entry. There is also Pythoncad, which seems like a fair 2D drafting program. It has no grid option, but does have dimensioning, several types of line drawing tools, the ability to specify your basic measurement units in either British or American units, and layers as well. I accidentally opened two windows with it, and then tried to changes the preferences, with the result that when I attempted to save the preferences, I got a "Pythoncad has crashed" message box, but both Pythoncad windows kept running until I closed one of them manually. I've just spent quite a bit of time investigating Open office Draw, and it seems that it could be used as a quite good 2D drawing creator. It does include 3D object insertion, has grids, many, many, drawing tool types, paper size selection, dimensioning, and just about anything else you would need to create professional drawings. There well may be other packages available as well, but I haven't searched the repositories as much as I could have yet. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From marius at pov.lt Sun Mar 22 23:09:54 2009 From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:09:54 +0200 Subject: easily/safely type unicode characters? In-Reply-To: <005d01c9a7e8$a9970db0$fcc52910$@net> References: <005d01c9a7e8$a9970db0$fcc52910$@net> Message-ID: <20090322230954.GA27593@fridge.pov.lt> Hello! On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:43:26PM -0400, Miguel A. Zuniga wrote: > Hi, > > I was just reading your question about typing Unicode characters. I have > the same question but unable yet to find an answer, were you able to get any > answer to your question? Unfortunately, you posted this to a public list and did not reply nor quote the original message, so we have no clue what you're talking about. If you want to type an arbitrary Unicode character given its hex code, you can do that in all GNOME programs by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and typing the code: Ctrl+Shift+u, 263b, Enter = ☻. Marius Gedminas -- The death rate on Earth is: .... (computing) .... One per person. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From marius at pov.lt Sun Mar 22 23:11:26 2009 From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:11:26 +0200 Subject: STLDb4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090322231126.GB27593@fridge.pov.lt> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:36:22AM +0530, MirJafar Ali wrote: > Is STLDb4 available in Ubuntu package manager ? I had downloaded the > software from SourceForge, but found > it difficult to install, so backing on Ubuntu now. You can search for packages online at http://packages.ubuntu.com/, or locally with Synaptic, or from a terminal, with apt-cache search. I cannot find anything called STLDb4, so I guess the answer is no. Marius Gedminas -- As an aside, UPnP's implementation (which features SOAP, HTTP over multicast/broadcast UDP, and extremely odd XML) is a must-read for fans of unnatural and baroque network protocols. -- Anthony Baxter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From vpadro at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 23:34:16 2009 From: vpadro at gmail.com (Victor Padro) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:34:16 -0600 Subject: STLDb4 In-Reply-To: <20090322231126.GB27593@fridge.pov.lt> References: <20090322231126.GB27593@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: 2009/3/22 Marius Gedminas > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:36:22AM +0530, MirJafar Ali wrote: > > Is STLDb4 available in Ubuntu package manager ? I had downloaded the > > software from SourceForge, but found > > it difficult to install, so backing on Ubuntu now. > > You can search for packages online at http://packages.ubuntu.com/, or > locally with Synaptic, or from a terminal, with apt-cache search. > > I cannot find anything called STLDb4, so I guess the answer is no. > > Marius Gedminas > -- > As an aside, UPnP's implementation (which features SOAP, HTTP over > multicast/broadcast UDP, and extremely odd XML) is a must-read for fans of > unnatural and baroque network protocols. > -- Anthony Baxter > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFJxsWekVdEXeem148RAkNpAJ0c7D8dK4wZTxF+PUqlcN+9SF5YIgCffKJC > Mv6+ztCFDDDeYu14NEKpvj8= > =T+PY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > I haven't found it in synaptics either, you should use the source and compile yourself or install alien and use the rpm that is found here: http://rpmseek.com/rpm/stldb4-0.3.0-1.athlon.html?hl=com&cba=0:S:20:1620538:0:4:0 I'll go for the source method. hope it helps. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." 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From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 00:14:25 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:14:25 -0700 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text In-Reply-To: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On 03/22/2009 01:35 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > Someone on the wine list just suggested gnomesword for reading the bible, but > having installed it, all I get is Arabic text for the bible. > > Anyone can confirm that when Gnomesword is installed, the only text available > is in Arabic? > > Sorry for the strange question, but it seems a bit bizarre that I install an > app to read the bible, and by default the text is in Arabic. > > Nigel. > > > Sometimes it is best to check: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/gnomesword https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bug/231886 [GnomeSword dependency wrongly installs Arabic bible] However I don't think it's actually a bug; perhaps you are looking for the King James version? If so: sudo apt-get install sword-text-kjv http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/sword-text-kjv And then change edit preferences|main. From thilts at mcsnet.ca Mon Mar 23 01:06:01 2009 From: thilts at mcsnet.ca (Ted Hilts) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:06:01 -0700 Subject: Changing 232.9 NTFS hd to EXT3 In-Reply-To: References: <49C44C24.8050704@mcsnet.ca> <49C4817D.9030509@cmc.net> <49C5221A.1070801@mcsnet.ca> Message-ID: <49C6E079.4020505@mcsnet.ca> Thorny wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:21:30 -0700, Ted Hilts posted: > > >> [...] I don't think the physical location and physical order of the hard >> drives is of any importance but rather the label of the hard drive is >> probably what the kernel looks for. >> > > You may mount drives using the device node (i.e. /dev/sd(x) or Label > (which you can give it when you format it or later) or UUID which is given > it at format. You might want to have a look at the directory /dev/disk/ > and/or the command blkid. Perhaps you would also benefit from reading the > manual page for mount. > > >> (3) Also, in my case, "/" is on it's own partition and the hard drive >> label designation could be labeled sda1 regardless of it's previous >> windows XP designation. (4) Also it has occurred to me that I will have >> to change /etc/fstab to get rid of the windows designation of the hard >> drive I am converting so that the Linux designation of that drive >> replaces it. >> > > Yep, fstab needs to point to the right designation. > > Just to be clear, sda is the device node not the label but, probably, you > were using label in a generic sense. > > >> (5) Also, if I use the designation sda1 it would not be set as ACTIVE as >> it would be if "/" >> (system root) was placed on it. >> > > Grub doesn't care about which partition is set as active, that is > something that was necessary for DOS/Windows MBRs. > >> [...] >> > > > Thorny Thanks for your input and suggestions. Ted From admin2 at enabled.com Mon Mar 23 01:09:55 2009 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:09:55 -0700 Subject: auto-mount cifs partition via samba Message-ID: <49C6E163.3070507@enabled.com> Hi there, I have a cifs partition that is exported via samba from another server. From time to time I need to reboot that server. I have to manually remount the cifs partition on my ubuntu server. is there something that can automount the cifs partition when the server comes back after reboot? Cheers, Noah From scott at eotr.net Mon Mar 23 01:11:47 2009 From: scott at eotr.net (Scott Abbey) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:11:47 -0400 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> Message-ID: <1237770707.20433.4.camel@rei> On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 16:00 -0500, chris at riply.co.za wrote: > The upgrade will not remove any of your applications =] Not entirely true. If you're not careful, upgrading from one release to another can result in packages being removed if, for example, a required library is no longer available, a conflict with a necessary package occurs, etc. apt is usually very good about warning you of such things, but you should still be cautious. -- Scott Abbey From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 01:12:02 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:12:02 -0500 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903221812x5465e14dha3eb2fbf1b042370@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just > fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I > hope this will make the list. > So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. yes definitely if you are unhappy you should request a refund of every cent you have paid Google and pay someone else for email that works. But shouldn't you direct your complaint to Google and not the Ubuntu list? P.S.: I've used IMAP to access my Gmail for many months with no problems. But the web mail interface works fine too. From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 01:20:16 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:20:16 -0500 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> References: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903221820i62df1864kb0e79bbea7163eed@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bill Taylor wrote: > Wanting to test Jaunty, I downloaded the Release candidate and installed > it on my back-up and storage unit.  Being impressed I now have a > question, I'm running UbuntuStudio Intrepid.  When the upgrade becomes > available in a few more days can I just upgrade and still have my Studio > Apps. to remain in place? I know others have responded, but they may have missed that you're using Ubuntu Studio. http://ubuntustudio.org/ Doesn't it have a specially compiled "low latency" kernel and possibly some other optimizations? I would suggest you might want to wait until the Ubuntu Studio upgrade is released (which may be at the same time or later than the Desktop release). From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 01:31:39 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:31:39 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0903221812x5465e14dha3eb2fbf1b042370@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <3c5484cf0903221812x5465e14dha3eb2fbf1b042370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But I am going nuts now because the darn pop3 system seems to have a password I don't know!!! I may have to start out new, but not sure how to do that. Karl On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Karl F. Larsen > wrote: > > I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just > > fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I > > hope this will make the list. > > So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. > > yes definitely if you are unhappy you should request a refund of every > cent you have paid Google and pay someone else for email that works. > But shouldn't you direct your complaint to Google and not the Ubuntu > list? > > P.S.: I've used IMAP to access my Gmail for many months with no > problems. But the web mail interface works fine too. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Karl Larsen, 3310 East Street, Las Cruces, NM 88005, 505-524-3303 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The best way to go about doing the upgrade, IMHO, is to do: $> sudo aptitude update $> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade while keeping a close on eye on what packages might be removed. Once this goes through, the next step can be to just see what will happen with full upgrade ("-s" means "simulate, but don't do any changes"): $> sudo aptitude -s full-upgrade and see what packages might be removed. If that shows no problems, then the full upgrade may be performed: $> sudo aptitude full-upgrade Bottom line: do safe-upgrade first while keeping an eye on what is to be removed, then simulate full upgrade. If all is well, do the full upgrade. Good luck. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 01:59:07 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:59:07 -0300 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text In-Reply-To: References: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Craig Puchta wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >>> Anyone can confirm that when Gnomesword is installed, the only text available >>> is in Arabic? > > When you install gnomesword it installs the arabic only bible. Go back > into synaptics, do a search for gnomesword and pick through the > versions of the bible and commentaries that you want. Then uninstall > the arabic version. For some reason, if you search for "gnomesword" in Synaptic you won't find sword-text-kjv. Only through a direct search or via apt, as NoOp explained. Also, it seems that sword-text-arasvd (Arabic) cannot be uninstalled since it is a needed package for gnomesword (did not test this after installing another language). -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From tdldev at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 02:18:19 2009 From: tdldev at gmail.com (Verde Denim) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:19 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <49C6E9DE.40003@bellsouth.net> References: <49C6E9DE.40003@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <2844f54a0903221918t4f1a5edas8c001a20faad21b7@mail.gmail.com> Probably, but there are some humourous responses there - (the splash screen reply was hilarious)... On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Ronny Julian wrote: > Waste of bandwidth. > > > Res wrote: > > This is so true :) > > > > http://ubuntard.com/about > > > > only thing i'd disagree with is s/Fedora/RHEL/ > > > > > > > > > > $flames = ; > > unlink "$flames"; > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwain.alford at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 06:35:38 2009 From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:35:38 -0500 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <3c5484cf0903221812x5465e14dha3eb2fbf1b042370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <956c96920903222335s4747bedby4db5c828e79deb29@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/22 Karl Larsen > But I am going nuts now because the darn pop3 system seems to have a > password I don't know!!! I may have to start out new, but not sure how to > do that. > > Karl > > have you tried resetting the password? cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norman at littletank.org Mon Mar 23 07:30:28 2009 From: norman at littletank.org (norman) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:30:28 +0000 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <200903221454.48149.rev.olson@gmail.com> References: <200903221454.48149.rev.olson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237793428.6537.91.camel@localhost> < snip > > > OK! Strange they didn't shirt you to their Ubuntu support, ...they did me! > You need to say which model of laptop you have and which version of Ubuntu. > Also which wificard that is installed. and check that there is not a switch > to manually shut of wifi. Mine was shipped with the switch off so that might > be standard. Network Manager which comes standard ought to scan and connect > pretty much all by itself if the switch is on. Does it connect as a wired > (network cable) connection? The most useful of all the suggestions. I have a Dell laptop and it came with the Wifi switch in the off position. I switched it on and the connection was made. Norman From p3nndrag0n at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 07:56:54 2009 From: p3nndrag0n at gmail.com (James Takac) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:56:54 +1000 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <956c96920903222335s4747bedby4db5c828e79deb29@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <956c96920903222335s4747bedby4db5c828e79deb29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903231756.54761.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Hi Guys On Monday 23 March 2009 16:35:38 dwain wrote: > 2009/3/22 Karl Larsen > > > But I am going nuts now because the darn pop3 system seems to have a > > password I don't know!!! I may have to start out new, but not sure how > > to do that. > > > > Karl > > have you tried resetting the password? > > cheers, > dwain I've had to do that before myself. Many don't know what needs to be done to reset a password. And of course that depends on who the account is with. If it's with the isp then ring them and have your account details and such ready and explain the situation to them. If something like yahoo or google then look up what needs to be done if you've lost/forgotten your password. There's oft a link for that very purpose.. But always a good idea to check the help or faq links re the site in Q James From jan.welker at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:59:10 2009 From: jan.welker at gmail.com (Jan Welker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:59:10 +0100 Subject: .desktop run in terminal switch shell In-Reply-To: <200903202007.24615.kassube@gmx.net> References: <249f36a20903200939g5ada2e52v8e5dddffd70a886e@mail.gmail.com> <200903202007.24615.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <249f36a20903230159u15080d87g8b33e839ac5f0100@mail.gmail.com> That worked. Thanks. I wonder if there is a nicer solution. /Jan On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Jan Welker wrote: >> If I set Terminal=true in a .desktop file in >> /usr/local/share/applications the application will start in a >> terminal. >> >> Is there a way to tell Gnome in which terminal the application it >> should run? I would like to change the terminal from bash to tcsh. It >> does not read the /etc/passwd file. I already tried that. > > Is that application a shell script? Then you could start the script with > this line: > > #!/bin/tcsh > > > Nils > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From gholmer at ameritech.net Mon Mar 23 09:10:21 2009 From: gholmer at ameritech.net (Glenn Holmer) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:10:21 -0500 Subject: 9.04 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> References: <1237754469.10177.7.camel@spare> Message-ID: <1237799421.7583.1.camel@cenbe> On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 15:41 -0500, Bill Taylor wrote: > Wanting to test Jaunty, I downloaded the Release candidate and installed > it on my back-up and storage unit. Being impressed I now have a > question, I'm running UbuntuStudio Intrepid. When the upgrade becomes > available in a few more days can I just upgrade and still have my Studio > Apps. to remain in place? You may want to ask on the Ubuntu Studio mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users http://ubuntustudio.org/home -- "After the vintage season came the aftermath - and Cenbe." Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 09:38:08 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:38:08 -0700 Subject: ubuntards References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:27 +1000, Res posted: > This is so true :) > > http://ubuntard.com/about > > only thing i'd disagree with is s/Fedora/RHEL/ > > Ah, Res. I'd actually been wondering where you were because I hadn't seen a post from you lately. Not that I missed them. :-) At this point, a troll like this isn't too bad and people around here mostly don't have too much to do and probably have time to banter with you. After next month and the new release, posts like this would be pretty nasty, in my opinion, as there will probably be lots more posts from inexperienced users who really need help. We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that implies. ;-) You have a quick mind and seem to like "poking the bear", nothing wrong or novel about that in cyberspace, eh? Please, just try and not harm any inexperienced users who haven't yet learned to wear a flamesuit or to evaluate advice. We all need to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes. At least, those of us who have the intelligence to do so. Regards From res at ausics.net Mon Mar 23 10:01:27 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:01:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Thorny wrote: >> http://ubuntard.com/about > Ah, Res. I'd actually been wondering where you were because I hadn't seen It's called "a life" you should try it sometime, its amazing! > Not that I missed them. :-) oh dear, am i sposed to lose sleep over that :) ? not tonight josephine. > At this point, a troll like this isn't too bad and people around here Ah "i disgaree with you so your a troll" ... the age old saying.. its more a case of if the shoe fits leave the bastard on, or maybe its a case of "the truth hurts" > We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that implies. Actually, Slackware, RHEL, Solaris, no more AIX thank god, but ubuntu is 3rd boot option in laptop, you see i dont dis a distro without trying it first :) However I spend a fair amount of time in ubuntu on laptop, mostly coz I detest KDE and my time is limited these days so I CBF building all the gnome packages for slack, as I am a great fan of gnome and prefer it over any othe GUI. > You have a quick mind and seem to like "poking the bear", nothing when im bored, yes, you are correct :) > We all need to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes. At least, those of > us who have the intelligence to do so. So so true, if one cant, then one lacks far more than just intelligence. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 10:01:22 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:01:22 -0700 Subject: [OT] (was Re: STLDb4) References: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:36:22 +0530, MirJafar Ali posted: > Hello, > > Is STLDb4 available in Ubuntu package manager ? I had downloaded the > software from SourceForge, but found > it difficult to install, so backing on Ubuntu now. > > Well, it isn't even in Debian nor are a couple of dependencies, so not likely to be in a derivative. However, you could have done the same as me, I found it pretty quick with a search engine. This guy claims to have created a .deb for it, about halfway down the page. Observe all the standard cautions about using a .deb from an unsigned repository and, as poster Victor stated, the best advice is to compile it from source after you have inspected the source for security. Actually, this is OT for an Ubuntu list, that's why I changed the subject line. http://www.richardbishop.net/wpress/?cat=35 From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 10:12:54 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:12:54 -0700 Subject: RESOLVED Re: PPTP anomaly References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:53:29 +1000, Res posted: > After 3 other ppl on list emailed me with same issue, I replaced a ubuntu > packages with upstreams, problem eliminated, and confirmed by the others. > Aw gee Res, are you trying to get the "top posting" argument restarted? ;-) What is it with the far too frequent tendency for people to discuss things in private messages. Two of the strengths of a list are the peer review that it can provide and the chance for lurkers to learn, when things are done in private those strengths are nullified. And if your "problem" was solved, why didn't you share details of the solution? Isn't open source about sharing? From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 23 10:27:08 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:27:08 -0400 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text In-Reply-To: References: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <49C763FC.1090906@gatech.edu> NoOp wrote: > Sometimes it is best to check: > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/gnomesword > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bugs > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bug/231886 > [GnomeSword dependency wrongly installs Arabic bible] > > However I don't think it's actually a bug; Of course it is. If it's going to install a single version (as opposed to a comprehensive set) by default, it should be either the books in their original languages (mostly Hebrew and Koine Greek), or a translation associated with the user's localization. Installing an arbitrary translation is asinine. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 23 10:37:29 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:37:29 -0400 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C76669.4020504@gatech.edu> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just > fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. What does that actually mean? > So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. You could try Gmail with POP3/SMTP instead. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 23 10:39:01 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:39:01 -0400 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <3c5484cf0903221812x5465e14dha3eb2fbf1b042370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C766C5.8090104@gatech.edu> Karl Larsen wrote: > But I am going nuts now because the darn pop3 system seems to have a > password I don't know!!! That's not true. It's the same password you use at google.com and via IMAP. Matt Flaschen From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 10:48:42 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:48:42 -0700 Subject: Enough already References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just > fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I > hope this will make the list. > So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. > > Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to a wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. It would probably be more productive and likely to get better answers if you would make a more detailed trouble report. Detail what is happening that you think shouldn't be happening, what isn't happening that you think should be happening and any other things, like confirm that you still have a connection at the time the problem occurs. Symptoms. I remember you mentioning trouble with Gmail IMAP access not too long ago and at that time you mentioned someone was fouling it up for you. If there is a chance your password was compromised, you'll just continue to have trouble with that account until you change it. But, you can't rely on everyone reading this who might be able to help you to remember any history involved, so a good trouble report is very important. I realise it takes time and trouble to write it out. Took time for me to type this advice too but that's why we come here. One thing you might do is open another account with a strong password and see if it works the way you want and expect. Also note what poster Tommy Trussell mentioned about trying the web interface. If you need an invite to make it easy to open another account, I imagine one of us would send you one. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 11:05:35 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:05:35 -0700 Subject: ubuntards References: Message-ID: >> Ah, Res. I'd actually been wondering where you were because I hadn't >> seen > > It's called "a life" you should try it sometime, its amazing! > Well, I've had one for more than 6 decades so far, but I feel some need to "give back" in some small way for the open source software that has been provided for me. >> Not that I missed them. :-) > > oh dear, am i sposed to lose sleep over that :) ? not tonight josephine. > Oops, missed the smiley, eh Note: Your spellchecker is broken. :-) >> At this point, a troll like this isn't too bad and people around here > > Ah "i disgaree with you so your a troll" ... the age old saying.. its more > a case of if the shoe fits leave the bastard on, or maybe its a case of > "the truth hurts" > Didn't call you a troll, called your post a troll, subtle difference, which I doubt was lost on you, you just wanted to build a straw man argument. >> We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that implies. > > Actually, Slackware, RHEL, Solaris, no more AIX thank god, but ubuntu is > 3rd boot option in laptop, you see i dont dis a distro without trying it > first :) However I spend a fair amount of time in ubuntu on laptop, > mostly coz I detest KDE and my time is limited these days so I CBF > building all the gnome packages for slack, as I am a great fan of gnome > and prefer it over any othe GUI. > Hey man, you've been around long enough to know, real geeks use the CLI. :-) >> You have a quick mind and seem to like "poking the bear", nothing > > when im bored, yes, you are correct :) > Not our problem if you are bored, go back to the life you mentioned. ;-) >> We all need to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes. At least, those >> of us who have the intelligence to do so. > > So so true, if one cant, then one lacks far more than just intelligence. Actually, this has been somewhat fun. Regards From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 11:33:38 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:33:38 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <200903231756.54761.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <956c96920903222335s4747bedby4db5c828e79deb29@mail.gmail.com> <200903231756.54761.p3nndrag0n@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C77392.4060904@gmail.com> James Takac wrote: > Hi Guys > > On Monday 23 March 2009 16:35:38 dwain wrote: > >> 2009/3/22 Karl Larsen >> >> >>> But I am going nuts now because the darn pop3 system seems to have a >>> password I don't know!!! I may have to start out new, but not sure how >>> to do that. >>> >>> Karl >>> >> have you tried resetting the password? >> >> cheers, >> dwain >> > > I've had to do that before myself. Many don't know what needs to be done to > reset a password. And of course that depends on who the account is with. If > it's with the isp then ring them and have your account details and such ready > and explain the situation to them. If something like yahoo or google then > look up what needs to be done if you've lost/forgotten your password. There's > oft a link for that very purpose.. But always a good idea to check the help > or faq links re the site in Q > > James > > Well I know there is just one place on Gmail to put a password and it is the main password for your gmail. I did change it to a simpler password and that works now and I am getting the POP3 mail like I should. Karl From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 11:41:32 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:41:32 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > > >> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >> hope this will make the list. >> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >> >> >> > Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual > questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are > having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to a > wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. > > It would probably be more productive and likely to get better answers if > you would make a more detailed trouble report. Detail what is happening > that you think shouldn't be happening, what isn't happening that you think > should be happening and any other things, like confirm that you still have > a connection at the time the problem occurs. Symptoms. > > I remember you mentioning trouble with Gmail IMAP access not too long ago > and at that time you mentioned someone was fouling it up for you. If there > is a chance your password was compromised, you'll just continue to have > trouble with that account until you change it. But, you can't rely on > everyone reading this who might be able to help you to remember any > history involved, so a good trouble report is very important. I realise it > takes time and trouble to write it out. Took time for me to type this > advice too but that's why we come here. > > One thing you might do is open another account with a strong password and > see if it works the way you want and expect. Also note what poster Tommy > Trussell mentioned about trying the web interface. If you need an invite > to make it easy to open another account, I imagine one of us would send > you one. > > > I have changed to POP3 mail from Gmail and it seems to be working well at the moment. The time I thought someone had interfered with my IMAP, it was Google that was broken, not someone else causing just me a problem. Yesterday I received 8 large emails that IMAP was not working on. When I tried to send mail it would take a minute to process through Gmail's SMTP. These are signs that IMAP is failing. Karl From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 12:13:45 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:13:45 -0700 Subject: Enough already References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:41:32 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > Thorny wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >> >> >>> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >>> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >>> hope this will make the list. >>> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >>> >>> >>> >> Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual >> questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are >> having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to >> a wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. >> >> It would probably be more productive and likely to get better answers if >> you would make a more detailed trouble report. Detail what is happening >> that you think shouldn't be happening, what isn't happening that you >> think should be happening and any other things, like confirm that you >> still have a connection at the time the problem occurs. Symptoms. >> >> I remember you mentioning trouble with Gmail IMAP access not too long >> ago and at that time you mentioned someone was fouling it up for you. If >> there is a chance your password was compromised, you'll just continue to >> have trouble with that account until you change it. But, you can't rely >> on everyone reading this who might be able to help you to remember any >> history involved, so a good trouble report is very important. I realise >> it takes time and trouble to write it out. Took time for me to type this >> advice too but that's why we come here. >> >> One thing you might do is open another account with a strong password >> and see if it works the way you want and expect. Also note what poster >> Tommy Trussell mentioned about trying the web interface. If you need an >> invite to make it easy to open another account, I imagine one of us >> would send you one. >> >> >> > I have changed to POP3 mail from Gmail and it seems to be working > well at the moment. The time I thought someone had interfered with my > IMAP, it was Google that was broken, not someone else causing just me a > problem. > > Yesterday I received 8 large emails that IMAP was not working on. > When I tried to send mail it would take a minute to process through > Gmail's SMTP. These are signs that IMAP is failing. > > Well, large email have always been problematic. Of course, I don't know how you define large. :-) If they were coming down at the same time as you were trying to send, your broadband bandwidth may have been saturated and thus slow to respond. Do you have gnome-system-monitor on your system, if so you could look at the Resources tab and get a graphical representation of upload and download in the Network History graph. From spam at buebo.de Mon Mar 23 12:28:07 2009 From: spam at buebo.de (Felix 'buebo' Kakrow) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:28:07 +0100 Subject: [long post] Compiling gthumb with RAW support or why is it looking in all the wrong places Message-ID: <20090323132807.e13ec912.spam@buebo.de> Hello, sorry if this is not related to ubuntu at all but I'm not quite sure where to put this... I've compiled gthumb with RAW support to manage my image collection. It all works but for some reason that I don't understand gthumb looks for it's libary not in /usr/local/ but everywhere else. What I have done is fetched libopenraw and gthumb source and build it with the usual threestep of './configure (--enable-libopenraw) --prefix=/usr/local', 'make' and 'sudo checkinstall --fstrans=no' which went fine. So far so good, but when I try to start gthumb it errors out: mfk at sysiphus:~/src/gthumb-2.10.11$ gthumb gthumb: error while loading shared libraries: libgthumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 'strace gthumb' shows that gthumb is looking for libgthumb in all the wrong places: (...) stat("/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 open ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/x86_64/libgthumb.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/x86_64", 0x7fff5161f1f0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/libgthumb.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls", 0x7fff5161f1f0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/x86_64/libgthumb.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/x86_64", 0x7fff5161f1f0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgthumb.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 After linking /usr/local/lib/libgthumb.so to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgthumb.so it all went fine. So, is this a bug in gthumb or just something I misunderstood? Cheers Felix -- Felix 'buebo' Kakrow -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 13:06:36 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:06:36 -0300 Subject: auto-mount cifs partition via samba References: <49C6E163.3070507@enabled.com> Message-ID: <1435953.Xd2UZFMutP@cedar.serverforest.com> Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > I have a cifs partition that is exported via samba from another server. > From time to time I need to reboot that server. > > I have to manually remount the cifs partition on my ubuntu server. is > there something that can automount the cifs partition when the server > comes back after reboot? Cron? I suppose a Windows machine must broadcast _something_ when it comes up, and it could be caught, but even Windows machines don't automount shares when a server comes online. (However, I just have to click on them). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 12:55:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:55:24 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <49C6A8B7.2000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3156734.eKmzRBgH4t@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > As you know today the help is outsourced to somewhere in Africa, and > the voice you hear is not speaking English :-( ime, India, and actually the English is very good. But all they do is flip you off. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 12:54:28 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:54:28 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to >> court. > > Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? > It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the > cause of Linux at Dell. Because Dell is criminally irresponsible about support. > Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere > incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not > support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. > There is no way that > Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support it. LOL. I might as well just quit for the day, because I won't be reading anything that funny again. Dell's policy is to offer to support practically anything, charge you for it, and then ignore you when you try to hold them to it. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 12:51:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:51:20 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1292730.zhSoGNFR6C@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Raymond Land wrote: > My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get > all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and > that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to > court. > > The above is the proper choice. If you want to try and fix the WiFi > you need to get us some information: > > What version of Ubuntu is on the laptop? > Open a terminal and type $ lspci and send us what that prints out. I agree with Karl. I had a Dell with extended warranty, and they simply refused to talk to me about the broken wireless, let alone honor the warranty. If they're already refusing to support something on a laptop they _sold_ with Ubuntu, take it back. If they actually sold it with Windows and you popped Ubuntu on it, then they're right that it's not their problem. They're responsible for the hardware working, but they can't be responsible for how software they didn't configure operates. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 13:00:35 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:00:35 -0300 Subject: Open source alternative to ArchiCAD for ubuntu 8.10 x64 References: <109274791-1237464642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1300049325-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry><49C23933.3080608@gmail.com> <1709894188-1237466638-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484380663-@bxe1114.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <49C6A07C.1090206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2889634.JpnOA8IaBt@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi karl .. Thanx 4 the advice but I wasn't referring to auto cad and what >> I really meant was that I wanted to know weather or not there are any >> open source 3D/2D CAD/Building Information Modeling software available >> for Ubuntu and I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD > > In the USA there are 3 types of Autocad you can buy. ... > If your doing work for Business in the USA they will not accept > your work if it is done on any other software. In other countries they > may not be the same. > > I went to Google and you can't buy ANY version of Autocad for > Ubuntu. Which part of "I said ARCHICAD not AUTOCAD" was unclear? I have a builder friend who does all of his work in some freeware 3D Home Design toy. If you're building homes, you need something that will print plans acceptable by your local planning department, and can quickly show the buyer what they'll be getting. You don't need AutoCAD. Unfortunately, I don't have a clue what's available for Linux. -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:14:44 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:14:44 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:41:32 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > > >> Thorny wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >>>> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >>>> hope this will make the list. >>>> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual >>> questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are >>> having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to >>> a wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. >>> >>> Here is my reason why IMAP doesn't work well with large email's. The IMAP principle is to send only the title of the message to me. I need to try and read it and then it decides to let me d/l the 8 MBytes of message with a .wmv file attached. This d/l period can be VERY long when IMAP is not working well. In fact I have tried to stop the long d/l and that fails too :-) Contrast that to the POP3 method. When it gets a email it brings the whole thing with any attachments to my computer. When I click to play the attached movie or .ppp file it is right there and starts immediatly. So that is the way things are with Gmail. IMAP just quits for some period caused by a glitch at Google. And the large emails are a real problem. POP3 is seldom down due to Google and it brings every email to my computer complete. Karl From tomahadi at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:17:57 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:17:57 +0600 Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 253 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11286abe0903230717p4e1c4b47k4575dc1029ba71ea@mail.gmail.com> To change the gdm login window resolution, you can do it > in /etc/usplash.conf . Using "gksu gedit /etc/usplash.conf", add the > relsolutions like this: > > xres=1440 > yres=900 > > Change the numbers to what you need. This has worked for me since 6.06. > > Good luck, > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > > > ------------------------------ > > This method only works for the splash screen while turning off the computer not the splash screen while turning on the computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:22:22 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:22:22 -0400 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C6C083.9000403@roadrunner.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C6C083.9000403@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49C79B1E.2080702@gmail.com> Steve Reilly wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >> hope this will make the list. >> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >> >> Karl >> > > never used imap, was there something wrong with the pop email for you? > ive been using it since gmail started and havent had a problem with it yet. > > > > Steve > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJxsCCIk8X27dthMwRAp4NAJkBuKenEFY0pFm+5kWpJ9Sur6MauQCeN525 > zeYEcaDTWid8MlkpGPSH8ps= > =AjAq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > I will have to concur with Steve. I have been using POP with gmail and have never had a problem. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From squareyes at internode.on.net Mon Mar 23 14:25:11 2009 From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:55:11 +1030 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C79BC7.1030507@internode.on.net> Raymond Land wrote: > Hello to all and especially to anyone who can help. I just received > my first laptop from Dell using the Ubuntu system. I am NOT very > astute with computers and struggle with some of the lingo so if you > respond understand that I may need clarification on some things. > > I use a Dell computer at home and purchased the laptop so that I could > have email and web access when I am away from the house. My biggest > problem is this. I have not been able to access the web via WiFi. I > contacted Dell and was told that, because it is an Ubuntu system, I > must work directly with Ubuntu. I did get one Dell Tech to speak with > me but he didn't have a clue as to how to solve my problem. > > When I begin, I click the Ubunto Icon, then Systems, then > Administration, then Network. A window opens entitled Network > settings. This window offers three options for connecting to the > internet, one of them is Wireless Connection. Unfortunately all of > the window choices are in grayscale and none of them respond to the > cursor. No one at Dell knows what to do at this point and neither do I. > > Within the Network Settings Window there is a link entitled "unlock". > When I click this link I am prompted for an Administrator Password. > Where do I get this password if I need it? The folks at Dell say they > don't have a clue. Does everyone go through this? Do I have a mfr. > problem? Am I stupid? Who can help me? > > > /*Raymond */ > */Say and be what you want. Those that care don't matter and those > that matter won't care./* > > *//* > > > > > > > / > / > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find > out more. > Hi Raymond, Click on "Unlock, and enter your logon password, should then activate the previously "grayscaled " options. Your logon password if you are the only user, is the Administrator password. Hope this helps. Take Care Winton From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 23 14:31:56 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:31:56 -0400 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C79D5C.90805@chrononomicon.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Here is my reason why IMAP doesn't work well with large email's. The > IMAP principle is to send only the title of the message to me. I need to > try and read it and then it decides to let me d/l the 8 MBytes of > message with a .wmv file attached. This d/l period can be VERY long when > IMAP is not working well. In fact I have tried to stop the long d/l and > that fails too :-) > > Contrast that to the POP3 method. When it gets a email it brings the > whole thing with any attachments to my computer. When I click to play > the attached movie or .ppp file it is right there and starts immediatly. > > So that is the way things are with Gmail. IMAP just quits for some > period caused by a glitch at Google. And the large emails are a real > problem. POP3 is seldom down due to Google and it brings every email to > my computer complete. Funny part is that back when I worked at a small ISP, we had situations come up where POP servers would get blocked by large or corrupted emails, so it's not just an IMAP vs. POP thing. Users would have to have us delete a message manually or use a web interface on the server locally to get rid of the one causing hiccups. Maybe it's something directly related to their implementation, I don't know. All I can say is that email was never "designed" to handle huge attachments. People using it that way are risking problems. Another reason we simply disabled large attachments with a bounce telling the originator what was wrong. But google's a different animal...they encourage you to share your personal data with them :-) From tomahadi at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 14:37:47 2009 From: tomahadi at gmail.com (Mahadi Hasan) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:37:47 +0600 Subject: login window resolution Message-ID: <11286abe0903230737q1d6e55ccs9bb184fe11299911@mail.gmail.com> There are a couple of ways that you can try, have a look at the following which contains a few ways of doing what you want. I originally posted it in another group, in an attempt to help a Windows user get Ubuntu installed on his machine, which kept coming up in too high of a resolution to be able to read the screen at boot up time. Since I was writing to a green Windows user in that post, I included lot of instructions on the use of sude, etc which you might already know how to do, so skim over those parts if you already know them, and read the parts about changing the boot up resolution which you are interested in. For this firsat method, go to System, Administration, Start Up Manager on the Ubuntu menu, and then to the > Boot Options tab of the resulting dialog. This tab allows me to choose > from resolutions anywhere from 600 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 and also > selections of 8 bit to 24 bit for color depth for the login screen. > > Be prepared for a long wait while this program goes through it's > pre-configuration tasks, and post-configuration tasks when you start it > and exit it. I changed one option [resolution from 640x480 to 800x600] > and it kept running it's little progress bar animation back and forth > for the past ten minutes, so I got bored and closed it from the title > bar button. > > OK, it took me a bit of spelunking to discover this, but grub [the boot > up manager] has an optional, not always there, configuration file at > /etc/default/grub which can specify the vga mode for the boot up screen > among other things. This can be set by the use of Start Up Manager, or > alternatively created with a text editor. I had to examine the grub > scripts to find this out. By examining the > /usr/share/pyshare/bootconfig/grub.py script file which determines the > resolution on start up I found the following information. > > """Return the Grub vga code used, as an integer. > > If no code is specified in the config, 769 is returned. [which is 640 x 480, 8 bits color] > Grub vga codes: > > Colors 640x400 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x1024 1600x1200 > --------+---------------------------------------------------------- > 4 bits | ? ? 770 ? ? ? ? > 8 bits | 768 769 771 773 353 775 796 > 15 bits | ? 784 787 790 354 793 797 > 16 bits | ? 758 788 791 355 794 798 > 24 bits | ? 786 789 792 ? 795 799 > 32 bits | ? ? ? ? 356 ? ? > > There is a setting in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file which specifies this > value, and evidently the previously mentioned /etc/default/grub is not > used, as I thought, even 'though the grub.py script looks for that > configuration file. So, according to menu.lst the following applies. - > > ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified > ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below > > ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs > > ## ## Start Default Options ## > > And a ways further down from that is this section. Here you can set the video resolution for the default kernel to be booted. [Note that for 1024 x 768, 24 bits color mode, you should use vga=792 on the defoptions line below.] > > ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the > ## alternatives > ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 > # defoptions=quiet splash vga=792 > > Here we see the vga mode being set for the default boot option, and one > # sign marks it as being in use, instead of being a comment like the > lines with two ##'s in the AUTOMAGIC section of the menu.lst file. > > So... to change the default resolution used on your system during start > up,change the vga=nnn to the number representing the resolution you want in > boot/grub/menu.lst, from the table previously pasted in above, and also > make sure that no /etc/default/grub file exists that could modify the > value to one you do not want. > > I also note that it states in the grub.py file that if no code is > specified in the config it will default to the value vga=769 which > corresponds to 640x480, 8 bit colors. Further, to apply that resolution to > all kernels installed and specified in the menu.lst file, instead of > just the default kernel, you would need to change the following section > of the AUTOMAGIC section to include the vga=792 setting as shown below, > and you would leave out the change to the defoptions section above, > which only applies to the default kernel in use. > > ## default kernel options for automagic boot options > ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z > ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. > ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro > ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro > ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro > # kopt=root=UUID=d87df8a8-9b0a-46c9-82ef-7c5503f46c62 ro vga=792 [once again, for a resolution at boot up of 1024 x 768 in 24 bit color mode, use vga=792 on the configuration line above.] There you go, three ways to set the resolution of your start up screen. 8-) Later, Ray Parrish It did not work. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's going to install a single version (as opposed > to a comprehensive set) by default, it should be either the books in > their original languages (mostly Hebrew and Koine Greek), or a > translation associated with the user's localization. Installing an > arbitrary translation is asinine. > > Matt Flaschen Thanks folks for the replies. I found all the bibles, and other stuff under "sword" in synaptic. It looks like Gnomesword installs the 1st bible version on the alphabetical list, which just happens to be arabic (arasvd). It was confusing at the time though. Nigel. From ender8282 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 15:02:11 2009 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:02:11 -0700 Subject: auto-mount cifs partition via samba In-Reply-To: <1435953.Xd2UZFMutP@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C6E163.3070507@enabled.com> <1435953.Xd2UZFMutP@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C7A473.70601@yahoo.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Noah wrote: > > >> Hi there, >> >> I have a cifs partition that is exported via samba from another server. >> From time to time I need to reboot that server. >> >> I have to manually remount the cifs partition on my ubuntu server. is >> there something that can automount the cifs partition when the server >> comes back after reboot? >> > > Cron? I suppose a Windows machine must broadcast _something_ when it comes > up, and it could be caught, but even Windows machines don't automount > shares when a server comes online. (However, I just have to click on > them). > If the cifs mount is listed in /etc/fstab and set to mount on boot, then whenever the client reboots it will try to mount. It might delay the boot for a while if the server is not available. The other option would be to use autofs (apt-get autofs). Auto-fs waits until you try to read the remote mount to mount it. If you have a fast network it is pretty quick. My home directory is automounted on the other machines at work and I can ssh in pretty quickly. Let me know if you have questions about autofs and I can give you better advice. -- -john To be or not to be, that is the question 2b || !2b (0b10)*(0b1100010) || !(0b10)*(0b1100010) 0b11000100 || !0b11000100 0b11000100 || 0b00111011 0b11111111 255, that is the answer. From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Mon Mar 23 15:58:35 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:58:35 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C6A8B7.2000702@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <49C6A8B7.2000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C7B1AB.4040506@dinamis.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >>> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >>> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >>> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to court. >>> >> Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? >> It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the >> cause of Linux at Dell. > > You were/are not a business man. Only a fool would jump to such a conclusion based on what I've written. > I was and it was a rule that if you > spent a lot of money for a product for your company, if it fails to work > call the indicated number. If they can't give you support you ask for > permission to return the item. If they plead ignorance you ask to speak > to their boss. At some point you will get support. Or, you take them to > court. If the loser in a civil action had to pay court costs and legal fees of the winner, as is the case in many other countries, you would be much less inclined to go running to Daddy (the courts) for disputes that can and should be resolved amicably outside of a courtroom. > As you know today the help is outsourced to somewhere in Africa, and > the voice you hear is not speaking English :-( Facts not in evidence. If they are outsourcing their support anywhere, it would more likely be India, not Africa. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Mon Mar 23 16:19:19 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:19:19 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >>> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >>> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to >>> court. >> Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? >> It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the >> cause of Linux at Dell. > > Because Dell is criminally irresponsible about support. Hyperbole. Good luck in suing Dell for being "criminally irresponsible". >> Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere >> incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not >> support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. > > I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines > they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. That has not been my experience. >> There is no way that >> Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support it. > > LOL. I might as well just quit for the day, because I won't be reading > anything that funny again. Dell's policy is to offer to support > practically anything, charge you for it, and then ignore you when you try > to hold them to it. Again, that has not been my experience. At a school that I'm helping, they have ~50 Dell machines and one server. There was an amber light flashing on the front panel of the server and not knowing anything about Dell servers, I called their support line. They spent a considerable amount of time on the phone with me, at no cost to me other than my time, to install diagnostic tools, run the diagnostic tests, and to analyze the output of the tests. It turned out to be a dead CMOS battery, which they offered to ship to me but I thanked them and told them I could source one locally. It was only after they helped me deal with the problem that I was told the warranty on the server had expired a month prior. It's entirely possible that they were so helpful because they wanted the school to extend the warranty on the server, which the school did, but what difference does it make why they behaved as they should have? If they did the right thing because of a profit motive, then the system was working exactly as it should have been. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3286 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Mon Mar 23 16:22:12 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:22:12 -0400 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <1237678976.7667.446.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <200903212216.n2LMGQE6040465@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <1237678976.7667.446.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <49C7B734.8020504@dgeo.udec.cl> Smoot Carl-Mitchell escribió: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 17:16 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > >> J >> It worked exactly the same way for me. Thank you. I >> think what we gain here is that we are not running a subshell. >> As to why you need 6 \ characters in order to get 2 to print >> when one would expect to have to only use 4, I am not totally >> sure either, but just for laughs, I tried 8 \'s and still only >> got 2 out. Ten of them did give me 3 out with 4 mystery >> sacrificial backslashes to the shell god.:-) It is as if some >> sort of recursion is going on but I don't really understand why. >> > > You can see what is happening by setting the -x option in the shell. > > set -x > uid=`echo 'ABC\DEF' | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid > ++ sed 's/\\/\\\\/g' > ++ echo 'ABC\DEF' > + uid='ABC\\DEF' > + echo 'ABC\\DEF' > ABC\\DEF > > This with 7 backslashes in the target of the sed substitution. What > appears to be happening here is the parent shell is doing the backslash > substitution. With 3 backslashes you get 2 emitted. With 7 you get 4. > I find this a little odd because I would have expected the string '\\\/' > to emit '\/' and not '\\/'. This could be a shell feature (bug). It > looks like using the the $() is safer and more consistent. > echo `echo -n 'ABC\DEF' | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\\/g'` Enough backslashes?? 3 for the first: shell yields a backslash for the 2 first, so sed's regex is '\\' (one backslash), maybe placing 4 is more correct. 8 for the second: shell yields one backslash for every two found ('\\\\') which is a fine representation for the replacement. 7 also work, because shell doesn't escape the last one. Nice excercise thinking on this too many backslashes. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 16:25:01 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:25:01 -0700 Subject: Gnomesword just gives Arabic text In-Reply-To: <49C763FC.1090906@gatech.edu> References: <200903222135.39560.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49C763FC.1090906@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On 03/23/2009 03:27 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> Sometimes it is best to check: >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/gnomesword >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bugs >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomesword/+bug/231886 >> [GnomeSword dependency wrongly installs Arabic bible] >> >> However I don't think it's actually a bug; > > Of course it is. If it's going to install a single version (as opposed > to a comprehensive set) by default, it should be either the books in > their original languages (mostly Hebrew and Koine Greek), or a > translation associated with the user's localization. Installing an > arbitrary translation is asinine. > > Matt Flaschen > Personally I don't use it. But rather than pursuing fixes to the old gnomesword, why not instead push to replace it with the newer, xiphos instead? See: http://xiphos.org/ On install it prompts you to select language, versions, dictionaries, etc. PPA is here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ppa From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Mon Mar 23 16:26:51 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:26:51 +0000 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. > > That has not been my experience. > That has been my experience with 'personal' bought machines. That has not been my experience with 'business' bought machines. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Mon Mar 23 16:29:54 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:29:54 -0400 Subject: sed within `` in Bourn Shell isn't Working. In-Reply-To: <1237678976.7667.446.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <200903212216.n2LMGQE6040465@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <1237678976.7667.446.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <49C7B902.6010007@dgeo.udec.cl> Smoot Carl-Mitchell escribió: > You can see what is happening by setting the -x option in the shell. > > set -x > Nice! I didn't know the existance of this /flag/ Almighty Bash!!! > uid=`echo 'ABC\DEF' | sed 's/\\\/\\\\\\\/g'`; echo $uid > ++ sed 's/\\/\\\\/g' > ++ echo 'ABC\DEF' > + uid='ABC\\DEF' > + echo 'ABC\\DEF' > ABC\\DEF > -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 16:33:11 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:33:11 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> >>> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>>> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >>>> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >>>> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to >>>> court. >>> Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? >>> It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the >>> cause of Linux at Dell. >> Because Dell is criminally irresponsible about support. > > Hyperbole. Good luck in suing Dell for being "criminally irresponsible". > >>> Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere >>> incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not >>> support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. >> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. > > That has not been my experience. > >>> There is no way that >>> Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support it. >> LOL. I might as well just quit for the day, because I won't be reading >> anything that funny again. Dell's policy is to offer to support >> practically anything, charge you for it, and then ignore you when you try >> to hold them to it. > > Again, that has not been my experience. At a school that I'm helping, > they have ~50 Dell machines and one server. There was an amber light > flashing on the front panel of the server and not knowing anything about > Dell servers, I called their support line. They spent a considerable > amount of time on the phone with me, at no cost to me other than my > time, to install diagnostic tools, run the diagnostic tests, and to > analyze the output of the tests. It turned out to be a dead CMOS > battery, which they offered to ship to me but I thanked them and told > them I could source one locally. It was only after they helped me deal > with the problem that I was told the warranty on the server had expired > a month prior. It's entirely possible that they were so helpful because > they wanted the school to extend the warranty on the server, which the > school did, but what difference does it make why they behaved as they > should have? If they did the right thing because of a profit motive, > then the system was working exactly as it should have been. > As with any company, they will treat their commercial customers entirely differently than their residential ones. I had a Dell laptop that was having issues booting. I called Dell for support, and they were very unhelpful and wanted to charge me at a point for their support. I called from the business that I worked for, and gave them my company's Dell partner number, and they gave me the best support and resolved the issue in 20 minutes. At no cost. So you cannot compare someone who is having issues with their personal laptop to a school that has a commercial level partner status with Dell. I would expect Dell to treat people who pay considerably more than a single individual differently. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Mon Mar 23 16:41:01 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:41:01 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >>> >>>> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>>>> My advice is to take the Laptop back to where you bought it and get >>>>> all your money back. It's clear Dell has no idea how to fix the WiFi and >>>>> that is criminal! If they sell it as having WiFi you can take them to >>>>> court. >>>> Why recommend a "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy first? >>>> It's needlessly antagonistic and certainly does nothing to advance the >>>> cause of Linux at Dell. >>> Because Dell is criminally irresponsible about support. >> Hyperbole. Good luck in suing Dell for being "criminally irresponsible". >> >>>> Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere >>>> incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not >>>> support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. >>> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >>> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. >> That has not been my experience. >> >>>> There is no way that >>>> Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support it. >>> LOL. I might as well just quit for the day, because I won't be reading >>> anything that funny again. Dell's policy is to offer to support >>> practically anything, charge you for it, and then ignore you when you try >>> to hold them to it. >> Again, that has not been my experience. At a school that I'm helping, >> they have ~50 Dell machines and one server. There was an amber light >> flashing on the front panel of the server and not knowing anything about >> Dell servers, I called their support line. They spent a considerable >> amount of time on the phone with me, at no cost to me other than my >> time, to install diagnostic tools, run the diagnostic tests, and to >> analyze the output of the tests. It turned out to be a dead CMOS >> battery, which they offered to ship to me but I thanked them and told >> them I could source one locally. It was only after they helped me deal >> with the problem that I was told the warranty on the server had expired >> a month prior. It's entirely possible that they were so helpful because >> they wanted the school to extend the warranty on the server, which the >> school did, but what difference does it make why they behaved as they >> should have? If they did the right thing because of a profit motive, >> then the system was working exactly as it should have been. >> > > As with any company, they will treat their commercial customers entirely > differently than their residential ones. I had a Dell laptop that was > having issues booting. I called Dell for support, and they were very > unhelpful and wanted to charge me at a point for their support. I > called from the business that I worked for, and gave them my company's > Dell partner number, and they gave me the best support and resolved the > issue in 20 minutes. At no cost. As I don't work for Dell, so I don't know for sure, but I think they are two different divisions handling things. I imagine the business-oriented groups are geared for tech and administrator people calling with issues while the home division gets a lot of "my modem makes screech noises" and "Does the round thing go in the round hole thing and the square one go into the square hole thing?"-type questions. Not that it's an excuse, just that calling the education support for repairing servers has given me good results, and I don't own a Dell so I don't know what their home division is like. I simply imagine that support for home users is extremely extremely expensive for them and most of their calls are support calls for things not their fault, like supporting third party accessories and software people try adding to their computer that they paid four or six hundred dollars for while businesses are paying for labs and office-loads of systems at a time and have people calling after hopefully having a good handle on the situation to begin with or at least know the difference between logging into the computer and opening a web browser and typically not calling because WoW drops frames at peak times on the network. From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 16:57:22 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:57:22 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > As I don't work for Dell, so I don't know for sure, but I think they are > two different divisions handling things. I imagine the business-oriented > groups are geared for tech and administrator people calling with issues > while the home division gets a lot of "my modem makes screech noises" > and "Does the round thing go in the round hole thing and the square one > go into the square hole thing?"-type questions. Not that it's an excuse, > just that calling the education support for repairing servers has given > me good results, and I don't own a Dell so I don't know what their home > division is like. I simply imagine that support for home users is > extremely extremely expensive for them and most of their calls are > support calls for things not their fault, like supporting third party > accessories and software people try adding to their computer that they > paid four or six hundred dollars for while businesses are paying for > labs and office-loads of systems at a time and have people calling after > hopefully having a good handle on the situation to begin with or at > least know the difference between logging into the computer and opening > a web browser and typically not calling because WoW drops frames at peak > times on the network. > Oh of course they will have a different division for businesses and residential. But the reason still ultimately comes down to the same. Businesses pay a considerable amount more than residential users. You buy a 3 year extended warranty from Dell for that personal laptop you just purchased, max you are gonna pay for that is probably around $400. More than likely you actually pay around $300. Businesses who become Dell Partners probably pay $5,000 to $10,000 for their support options for the same amount of time (3 years). At the end of that time, they will have to renew for another $5,000 to $10,000. I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 16:58:38 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:58:38 -0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <1237793428.6537.91.camel@localhost> References: <200903221454.48149.rev.olson@gmail.com> <1237793428.6537.91.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 03/23/2009 12:30 AM, norman wrote: > < snip > > > The most useful of all the suggestions. I have a Dell laptop and it came > with the Wifi switch in the off position. I switched it on and the > connection was made. > > Norman > > Apparently they do ship with them off (probably because they don't want them to accidentally fire up in enroute. You might find this somewhat amusing (or not): [Out and About: Buying U.S. no guarantee of U.S. care] The retired FAA engineer is an insurer’s dream. He’ll buy every type of insurance and warranty to secure good service when things go wrong. But a new Dell laptop raised his ire when the company’s around-the-world service proved inefficient. Bowen, about a month ago, bought a Dell Studio 17 laptop — loaded, and with a price tag of $2,200. When he called the company to activate the wireless feature, he was connected to someone in another country. ... And Dell's apology: http://newsok.com/after-story-dell-offers-an-apology/article/3353423 [Out and About: After story, Dell offers an apology] Hank Bowen had spent hours on the phone trying to get assistance to activate wireless service on his new Dell laptop. But it wasn’t the Dell overseas customer service rep that solved his problem. It was the Geek Squad at a nearby Best Buy store. Dell apologized. "There was a failure to figure what kind of wireless card it was. In the end, he got some help but, because we couldn’t help him, we do apologize,” said spokeswoman Harjit Kaur. It was "a simple issue of communication,” she said. ... For ($99 a month or $179 a year) you can talk to someone in the US... What a deal!-) From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 17:02:43 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:02:43 -0500 Subject: firefox does not start In-Reply-To: <49C5F2ED.5080806@cmc.net> References: <49C5F2ED.5080806@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49C7C0B3.8010100@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ray Parrish wrote: > Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: >> >>> Newly installed system, 8.10 64-bit on Core 2 duo box. >>> Busy adding software, doing updates, etc. >>> >>> Firefox worked for a while, then got to a state where >>> if I try to start it, it always says another firefox is >>> running and I must kill that or restart the computer. >>> >>> I've tried restatrting and done "ps ax | grep fire", >>> "ps ax | grep moz" and "ps ax | more" looking >>> for processes to kill. No joy. >>> >>> Presmably there's a lock file somewhere that >>> causes this, but I find nothing under /var/lock >>> or var/run. >>> >>> -- >>> Sandy Harris, >>> Quanzhou, Fujian, China >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-users mailing list >>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >>> >>> >> Perhaps you could try the graphical alternative: >> >> System - Administration - System Monitor - Processes >> >> Look for Firefox and kill it. >> > Hello, > > I usually use "ps -C firefox" to discover the PID of a zombie, but it > may not be in memory at all. I recently had the same problem, and the > fix for me turned out to be renaming the Firefox profile folder, so that > Firefox had to begin a new one on startup. Something in the old profile > was telling Firefox it had already started, so it kept balking on me > until I renamed the profile folder, and began a new profile. > > I still haven't discovered what it was in the old profile folder that > was causing the problem, but I still have it, so maybe some day I'll be > able to find out what it was exactly. Jere's the location of the Firefox > profile folder. > > /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/sl4dj5fs.default > > Yours of course will have your actual user name in place of the > "username" that appears in that path string. Rename the last folder on > the path, by changing the .default extension to .backup and you should > then be able to start Firefox again. > > Later, Ray Parrish > Just an added note here, the default profile directory name is a series of random characters followed by the .default. So the actual directory name on her machine will be different. Another thing that can cause this behavior is the presence of a .parentlock file in the user's profile folder. When Firefox is started it creates this file to let any other instance of Firefox know that this profile is in use, and the file is automatically deleted when you exit Firefox. I found that out the hard way when I was using Windows. One day I was browsing the internet with Firefox, and a few minutes later my backup software started up to make a differential backup of my drive. It saw the .parentlock file in my profile directory and being the good little program it was, it added it to the backup file. Later when having to do a restore from that same backup set, after the restore was completed I couldn't get Firefox to start. So I had to remedy that problem by adding the .parentlock file to the list of files to ignore in the backup software. - -- Roy Smith Ubuntu 8.10 - Intrepid Ibex GnuPG public key fingerprint : CC57 2F8C 2BF5 903D 168D 9391 714F 5741 39D2 5D62 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJJx8CyAAoJEHFPV0E50l1i2uIP/0V3hNf3qmpW76R8kPGSPgrz /v15Lnjx/bM00Y/+F6qpwTJ8E483k1vvX5KYVS3rBs2TOZoA+h+kS4qORWHUwJ3c CazIgsKV6+7QbFuyRlMgi/DMjCg9nk7W0U2c25oUl43D0Xocvt7Wnrx3oQ/QrP1E P9fVBGUu2pbfszFA8Z+wUS4XogFE+5emrKewYQl/Qq9eAHobHlsyJeOypBKpKIMv iiJgulmDuWtfdZiiYmq9hcGBb7ohbNyfrope98UwPa6CTiARLStQ1iOHwK88wjaC ZbTP6kN5xZ4MbGyY+UMOLenrMWLzfbWTFmgtdO9wDr2AxRUIhKoUbggayrGnkVSx NT4tCeESagXwq/5c39QyBrkDnTmTmGqtz3xKFvjsuqISR2EbgbOh4Cpgd0W93QrA MvRLsP4jQUVZLXAPdDPXAQFJ3bzz0OoHTWhBMr/4VyQk5edFSG9vz1PmoEU1l0+P HrupgpJ66ubmbNtooCMzP0QHCNhNKcWetEmkmkWEfLDpgF7nSBNTXVOiO69KurSc mzIzBEX9KVHBbu2Y/K4sM7ALgR9CnDfDPxKPCMlzIin8XPMcmUI8qf95Mlj2lSGf N+dPioFoudwyhgouZqQtLILhCwsUCSA6kdXK6/FvtqSrNeHtALqhqDfU/w0AXfxi Uda/tKwRVLwXUcP6QIRe =ZOn8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Mon Mar 23 17:50:20 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:50:20 +0100 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C7CBDC.9020705@carl-fh.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Thorny wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:41:32 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >> >> >>> Thorny wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >>>>> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >>>>> hope this will make the list. >>>>> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual >>>> questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are >>>> having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to >>>> a wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. >>>> >>>> > Here is my reason why IMAP doesn't work well with large email's. The > IMAP principle is to send only the title of the message to me. I need to > try and read it and then it decides to let me d/l the 8 MBytes of > message with a .wmv file attached. This d/l period can be VERY long when > IMAP is not working well. In fact I have tried to stop the long d/l and > that fails too :-) > > Contrast that to the POP3 method. When it gets a email it brings the > whole thing with any attachments to my computer. When I click to play > the attached movie or .ppp file it is right there and starts immediatly. > > So that is the way things are with Gmail. IMAP just quits for some > period caused by a glitch at Google. And the large emails are a real > problem. POP3 is seldom down due to Google and it brings every email to > my computer complete. > > > Karl > > Karl, I think you forget what the idea behind IMAP is - right? With the POP protocol you download *all* messages to a specific PC and delete them on the email server. You can only work effectively with your email on that particular computer. With the IMAP protocol you leave the emails on the server and can have many directories there. You might scan/cache the headers and read selected email on any PC in the world. You can effectively work with your email anywhere and on any PC. Access through web interface is via an IMAP or IMAP-like email server. Gmail for example uses one directory only, but uses more complex flags than in standard IMAP. So, Karl, please don't mix bananas, grape fruit, Gmail and Ubuntu too much; but take in to sounder for example, where they probably would like some more traffic. -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 17:30:01 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:30:01 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <2884320.iGLEnpYKMe@cedar.serverforest.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Because Dell is criminally irresponsible about support. > > Hyperbole. Good luck in suing Dell for being "criminally irresponsible". Well, if it's criminal, I shouldn't have to. It's not however hyperbole - but I don't plan to waste my time and money trying to get a settlement out of them. I have however, been defrauded, and I'm happy to tell everybody. >>> Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to mere >>> incompetence. I don't think it's a deliberate policy at Dell to not >>> support the Ubuntu they bundle with some of their machines. >> >> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. > > That has not been my experience. Lucky you. > >>> There is no way that >>> Dell would have bundled Ubuntu with anything if they couldn't support >>> it. >> >> LOL. I might as well just quit for the day, because I won't be reading >> anything that funny again. Dell's policy is to offer to support >> practically anything, charge you for it, and then ignore you when you try >> to hold them to it. > > Again, that has not been my experience. Again, lucky you. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 17:33:43 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:43 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3257522.L0FPvvU5iS@cedar.serverforest.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out > that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more > special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a > mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. I understand that - otoh, if I spent $300 for a warranty I expect to get the warranty support. I got _nothing_. Not even an acknowledgement after the first call. -- derek From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Mar 23 18:23:31 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:23:31 +0100 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dirk Freitag wrote: > > I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out > that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more > special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a > mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. > I had also exteremly good Dell business support experiences around 2000. However imho your argumentation is not fully logical. When I buy as a consumer, I usually do not get any rebate, while when buying Dell as a (large) business my rebates are WAY better. This means that Businesses might pay less per machine and for warranty than consumers do. And no matter how Dell or you ;-) will organize your business, I am expecting top support for the top money that I pay for support, no matter if I pay business or privately. If I do not get what I paid for, I am afraid I will have to go elsewhere. Kind regards Eberhard > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 23 17:31:01 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:31:01 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3435590.COhaf8SZ2Y@cedar.serverforest.com> Avi Greenbury wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >>> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. >> >> That has not been my experience. > > > > That has been my experience with 'personal' bought machines. > That has not been my experience with 'business' bought machines. Yes, I'll admit the one time I had to call them about a Poweredge server bought by a University, I got support. That was a long time ago... -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:27:26 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:27:26 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C7CBDC.9020705@carl-fh.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> <49C7CBDC.9020705@carl-fh.com> Message-ID: <49C7D48E.2060909@gmail.com> Carl Friis-Hansen wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Thorny wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:41:32 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thorny wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I do like the way gmail works but the IMAP stinks! It works just >>>>>> fine for a few days and then like today it almost stopped working. I >>>>>> hope this will make the list. >>>>>> So I am looking for something I can buy that works almost all the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Karl, I know we are supposed to try and help people with the actual >>>>> questions they ask but the problem with that is that when people are >>>>> having trouble they often become frustrated and attribute the problem to >>>>> a wrong cause and seek a solution based on that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Here is my reason why IMAP doesn't work well with large email's. The >> IMAP principle is to send only the title of the message to me. I need to >> try and read it and then it decides to let me d/l the 8 MBytes of >> message with a .wmv file attached. This d/l period can be VERY long when >> IMAP is not working well. In fact I have tried to stop the long d/l and >> that fails too :-) >> >> Contrast that to the POP3 method. When it gets a email it brings the >> whole thing with any attachments to my computer. When I click to play >> the attached movie or .ppp file it is right there and starts immediatly. >> >> So that is the way things are with Gmail. IMAP just quits for some >> period caused by a glitch at Google. And the large emails are a real >> problem. POP3 is seldom down due to Google and it brings every email to >> my computer complete. >> >> >> Karl >> >> >> > > Karl, I think you forget what the idea behind IMAP is - right? > > With the POP protocol you download *all* messages to a specific PC and > delete them on the email server. You can only work effectively with your > email on that particular computer. > > With the IMAP protocol you leave the emails on the server and can have > many directories there. You might scan/cache the headers and read > selected email on any PC in the world. You can effectively work with > your email anywhere and on any PC. > > Access through web interface is via an IMAP or IMAP-like email server. > Gmail for example uses one directory only, but uses more complex flags > than in standard IMAP. > > So, Karl, please don't mix bananas, grape fruit, Gmail and Ubuntu too > much; but take in to sounder for example, where they probably would like > some more traffic. > For all I know IMAP may work fine if your in Sweden. It is very poor in New Mexico USA. As for using Gmail between many computers IMAP is perfect, when it works. With POP3 I have the choice of removing email from Gmail, or I can leave it on Gmail. This is so another computer like my laptop, can POP3 email to itself when wanted. This is a lot like IMAP but not with the problems of IMAP. Karl From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:33:21 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:21 -0400 Subject: auto-mount cifs partition via samba In-Reply-To: <49C7A473.70601@yahoo.com> References: <49C6E163.3070507@enabled.com> <1435953.Xd2UZFMutP@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7A473.70601@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Hubbard wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Noah wrote: >>> I have a cifs partition that is exported via samba from another server. >>>   From time to time I need to reboot that server. >>> >>> I have to manually remount the cifs partition on my ubuntu server.  is >>> there something that can automount the cifs partition when the server >>> comes back after reboot? >>> >> >> Cron?  I suppose a Windows machine must broadcast _something_ when it comes >> up, {insert humour here - the possibilites are endless :-} >> and it could be caught, but even Windows machines don't automount >> shares when a server comes online.  (However, I just have to click on >> them). >> > If the cifs mount is listed in /etc/fstab and set to mount on boot, then > whenever the client reboots it will try to mount. It might delay the > boot for a while if the server is not available The way I read this - his Ubuntu box is the client in this case, and the server is rebooted, not the other way around. > The other option would > be to use autofs (apt-get autofs). Auto-fs waits until you try to read > the remote mount to mount it. If you have a fast network it is pretty > quick. It'll also drop unused mounts after a while if you like. I'm using it with NFS mounts, and you can't tell it's there - it automounts fast enough on a regular 100bT LAN you can't tell if it's already mounted or not. I'm fairly sure it's what Apple uses in OSX as well. I found the docs confusing, but once it was up it's been perfect. Brian From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:36:57 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:36:57 -0600 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <3257522.L0FPvvU5iS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> <3257522.L0FPvvU5iS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C7D6C9.5070304@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > > >> I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out >> that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more >> special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a >> mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. >> > > I understand that - otoh, if I spent $300 for a warranty I expect to get the > warranty support. I got _nothing_. Not even an acknowledgement after the > first call. > All this information is good to hear. I will never buy another thing from Dell. I bought my newest laptop at Wal Mart for $298.00 plus tax, and it's thin and light and has Vista on it. I added 8.10 fully updated and it works fine! Vista is another case, since on the occasions when I turn it on there are 5-10 new updates it just starts to d/l and it takes 20 minutes before I can use it! At least Ubuntu just tells you there are updates :-) This afternoon I will turn on my laptop and change it to POP3, but it will be set to leave all email on Gmail. Karl From cl at isbd.net Mon Mar 23 18:37:17 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:37:17 +0000 Subject: KDE Print System seems to screw up CUPS Message-ID: <20090323183717.GA5962@v-shell-1> I have two HP printers (a Laserjet 1320 and an Officejet 7310) connected to my xubuntu 8.10 system. One is USB and one is ethernet. Both printers work fine most of the time but seem to get totally screwed up when I print to them via "KDE Print System", this happens when I print from Digikam. So I now have two jobs in the CUPS print queue which are just sat there doing nothing and neither printer works any more. How do I sort this out and how do I get to print successfully from Digikam? -- Chris Green From walton at vyper.hopto.org Mon Mar 23 18:43:47 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:43:47 -0600 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> OK wise Ubuntu'ers. So I've built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and good.. Until. root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql /usr/local/bin/mysql root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password Enter password: Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does and works)? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cl at isbd.net Mon Mar 23 18:48:33 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:48:33 +0000 Subject: Application to print thumbnails of images with date Message-ID: <20090323184833.GB5962@v-shell-1> I want to print some folders of images as thumbnails with the date from the image printed next to the image. Thunar doesn't seem to be able to do this, can anyone suggest another application that could do it? -- Chris Green From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 18:50:30 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:50:30 -0400 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: 2009/3/23 Walton Hoops : > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not exist), > when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does and works)? alias? try just 'alias' and see what you get. Brian From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Mon Mar 23 18:54:47 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:54:47 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> Walton Hoops wrote: > OK wise Ubuntu’ers. > > So I’ve built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > good…. Until… > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > Enter password: > > > > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not > exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does > and works)? That is where is normally is, so what about a link to where you have yours? -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From walton at vyper.hopto.org Mon Mar 23 18:56:07 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:56:07 -0600 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <023801c9abe9$0cda90f0$268fb2d0$@hopto.org> Whoops! Sorry for no subject in original message! From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Walton Hoops Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:44 PM To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: OK wise Ubuntu’ers. So I’ve built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does not support partitioning.  Got it installed, running, all is well and good . Until root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql /usr/local/bin/mysql root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password Enter password: Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does and works)? From walton at vyper.hopto.org Mon Mar 23 18:57:38 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:57:38 -0600 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <024201c9abe9$431aa880$c94ff980$@hopto.org> root at grunt:/usr/local# alias alias ls='ls --color=auto' doesn't look like that's the problem :-) -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Brian McKee Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:51 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: 2009/3/23 Walton Hoops : > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not exist), > when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does and works)? alias? try just 'alias' and see what you get. Brian -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From walton at vyper.hopto.org Mon Mar 23 18:58:32 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:58:32 -0600 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> Message-ID: <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> That would certainly work, but I'd rather figure out why the problem is occurring :-) -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Carl Friis-Hansen Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:55 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: Walton Hoops wrote: > OK wise Ubuntu'ers. > > So I've built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > good.. Until. > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > Enter password: > > > > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not > exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does > and works)? That is where is normally is, so what about a link to where you have yours? -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com Mon Mar 23 19:09:19 2009 From: ubuntuuser at carl-fh.com (Carl Friis-Hansen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:09:19 +0100 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <49C7DE5F.1070802@carl-fh.com> Walton Hoops wrote: > That would certainly work, but I'd rather figure out why the problem is > occurring :-) > Did you really use Ubuntu's source. I could imagine your make install file is intended for a different distribution. > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Carl > Friis-Hansen > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:55 PM > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: > > Walton Hoops wrote: >> OK wise Ubuntu'ers. >> >> So I've built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does >> not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and >> good.. Until. >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql >> >> bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql >> >> /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password >> >> Enter password: >> >> >> >> Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not >> exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does >> and works)? > > That is where is normally is, so what about a link to where you have yours? > -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 23 19:08:49 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:08:49 +0100 Subject: KDE Print System seems to screw up CUPS In-Reply-To: <20090323183717.GA5962@v-shell-1> References: <20090323183717.GA5962@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <200903232008.49613.kassube@gmx.net> Chris G wrote: > I have two HP printers (a Laserjet 1320 and an Officejet 7310) > connected to my xubuntu 8.10 system. One is USB and one is ethernet. > Both printers work fine most of the time but seem to get totally > screwed up when I print to them via "KDE Print System", this happens > when I print from Digikam. > > So I now have two jobs in the CUPS print queue which are just sat > there doing nothing and neither printer works any more. How do I > sort this out and how do I get to print successfully from Digikam? I would use the CUPS page at to delete those jobs. But I can't tell you how to print from digikam. Nils From walton at vyper.hopto.org Mon Mar 23 19:15:20 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:15:20 -0600 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <49C7DE5F.1070802@carl-fh.com> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> <49C7DE5F.1070802@carl-fh.com> Message-ID: <025601c9abeb$bcbf2ec0$363d8c40$@hopto.org> No, I used the source from the official MySQL page. I wouldn't think that would affect bash's pathing though. That said (and you're going to hit me for this), a restart of the server cleared up the problem. Still strange that it occurred though :-P Thanks for the help! -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Carl Friis-Hansen Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:09 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: bad path in bash Walton Hoops wrote: > That would certainly work, but I'd rather figure out why the problem is > occurring :-) > Did you really use Ubuntu's source. I could imagine your make install file is intended for a different distribution. > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Carl > Friis-Hansen > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:55 PM > To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions > Subject: Re: > > Walton Hoops wrote: >> OK wise Ubuntu'ers. >> >> So I've built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does >> not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and >> good.. Until. >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql >> >> bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql >> >> /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql >> >> root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password >> >> Enter password: >> >> >> >> Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not >> exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does >> and works)? > > That is where is normally is, so what about a link to where you have yours? > -- +---------------------------------+-------------------+ | Carl Friis-Hansen | Fiskeryd Nybygget | | http://computingconfidence.com/ | 341 91 Ljungby | | Phone: +46 (0)372 15033 | Sweden | +---------------------------------+-------------------+ -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Mon Mar 23 19:22:18 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:18 -0400 Subject: MySQL location (Was:) In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <49C7E16A.4000002@dgeo.udec.cl> Walton Hoops escribió: > > OK wise Ubuntu’ers. > > So I’ve built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > good…. Until… > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > Enter password: > > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not > exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does > and works)? > Maybe you can try doing sudo updatedb I hope it helps. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li Mon Mar 23 19:24:02 2009 From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:24:02 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <49C7E1D2.3030008@kaiser-linux.li> Walton Hoops wrote: > OK wise Ubuntu’ers. > > So I’ve built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > good…. Until… > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > Enter password: > > > > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not > exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does > and works)? Is "/usr/local/bin" in your $PATH variable? # echo $PATH should tell you. If yes, I don't know what is going wrong. Thomas From hdf3 at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 19:37:39 2009 From: hdf3 at comcast.net (don fisher) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:37:39 -0700 Subject: 8.2TB RAID on 3ware controller works:-) Message-ID: <49C7E503.4090907@comcast.net> I have posted questions regarding large file systems. I was able to reboot and maintain my 8.2TB file system. Commands follow. My major problem was not setting label type to GPT in parted. Been away for a couple of years:-( > sudo parted /dev/sda rm 1 mklabel gpt (parted) mkpart p 0 9TB (parted) print free Model: 3ware Logical Disk 00 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 9000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 17.4kB 9000GB 9000GB p > sudo mkfs.xfs -b size=4k -d su=64k,sw=6 -i size=2k -l version=2 -f -s size=4k -L raid8 /dev/sda1 meta-data=/dev/sda1 isize=2048 agcount=9, agsize=268435440 blks = sectsz=4096 attr=2 data = bsize=4096 blocks=2197249527, imaxpct=5 = sunit=16 swidth=96 blks naming =version 2 bsize=4096 log =internal log bsize=4096 blocks=32768, version=2 = sectsz=4096 sunit=1 blks, lazy-count=0 realtime =none extsz=4096 blocks=0, rtextents=0 sudo mount /dev/sda1 /usr2 > df Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sdb1 880G 124G 712G 15% / tmpfs 16G 0 16G 0% /lib/init/rw varrun 16G 128K 16G 1% /var/run varlock 16G 0 16G 0% /var/lock udev 16G 2.8M 16G 1% /dev tmpfs 16G 0 16G 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda1 8.2T 4.6M 8.2T 1% /usr2 After boot:-) > df /dev/sda1 8.2T 4.6M 8.2T 1% /usr2 I hope this can be of use to someone. don From nytrokiss at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 19:37:50 2009 From: nytrokiss at gmail.com (James Matthews) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:37:50 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <49C7E1D2.3030008@kaiser-linux.li> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7E1D2.3030008@kaiser-linux.li> Message-ID: <8a6b8e350903231237m2868b76fw249a3671628f2bfd@mail.gmail.com> Also in order to make solving your problem a lot easier please next time include a subject in your post. Thanks James On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Thomas Kaiser wrote: > Walton Hoops wrote: > > OK wise Ubuntu’ers. > > > > So I’ve built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > > good…. Until… > > > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > > > Enter password: > > > > > > > > Any idea why bash is trying to exec /usr/bin/mysql (which does not > > exist), when which says it should be /usr/local/bin/mysql (which does > > and works)? > > Is "/usr/local/bin" in your $PATH variable? > > # echo $PATH > should tell you. If yes, I don't know what is going wrong. > > Thomas > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/Watches.asp?Brand=71 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 23 19:40:48 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:40:48 +0100 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <200903232040.48275.kassube@gmx.net> Walton Hoops wrote: > So I've built MySQL from source as the version in the repository does > not support partitioning. Got it installed, running, all is well and > good.. Until. > > root at grunt:/usr/local# mysql > > bash: /usr/bin/mysql: No such file or directory > > root at grunt:/usr/local# which mysql > > /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# ls -l /usr/local/bin/mysql > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340157 2009-03-23 11:48 /usr/local/bin/mysql > > root at grunt:/usr/local# /usr/local/bin/mysql --password > > Enter password: I would assume you had started mysql previously from the version installed from the Ubuntu repository. Then bash still knew the cached path to the now uninstalled executable. Try "hash -l" to find out which commands are cached. And with "hash -r" you can clear the list. Nils From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li Mon Mar 23 20:05:25 2009 From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:05:25 +0100 Subject: Same kernel with different module dirs Message-ID: <49C7EB85.8000007@kaiser-linux.li> Hey Ubuntuers Is it possible to tell the kernel which module dir to use? E.g.: When I run kernel vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic, the kernel modules are located in "/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/". Now, I would like that the kernel uses the module dir "/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-my-module/". That would be nice because then I can make a copy of the original module dir to "my-module" and do what ever I want with the kernel drivers without damaging the original (provide by Ubuntu) modules dir. When I want to go back to original Ubuntu, I just reboot without specifying "my-modules". Thanks, Thomas From cl at isbd.net Mon Mar 23 20:50:35 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:50:35 +0000 Subject: KDE Print System seems to screw up CUPS In-Reply-To: <200903232008.49613.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20090323183717.GA5962@v-shell-1> <200903232008.49613.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090323205035.GC5962@v-shell-1> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:08:49PM +0100, Nils Kassube wrote: > Chris G wrote: > > I have two HP printers (a Laserjet 1320 and an Officejet 7310) > > connected to my xubuntu 8.10 system. One is USB and one is ethernet. > > Both printers work fine most of the time but seem to get totally > > screwed up when I print to them via "KDE Print System", this happens > > when I print from Digikam. > > > > So I now have two jobs in the CUPS print queue which are just sat > > there doing nothing and neither printer works any more. How do I > > sort this out and how do I get to print successfully from Digikam? > > I would use the CUPS page at to delete > those jobs. But I can't tell you how to print from digikam. > Yes, deleting the jobs has sorted the printers out. However I still can't print from Digikam. -- Chris Green From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 21:04:33 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:04:33 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <3257522.L0FPvvU5iS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> <3257522.L0FPvvU5iS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49C7F961.9090907@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out >> that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more >> special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a >> mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. > > I understand that - otoh, if I spent $300 for a warranty I expect to get the > warranty support. I got _nothing_. Not even an acknowledgement after the > first call. Oh absolutely you should get that warranty support. I am not doubting that for a second. I was simply stating that one cannot compare how they are being treated as a home user vs how a business is being treated. Its not going to be the same. It shouldn't have been the lack of support that you received, but that doesn't mean you should get the special treatment that someone who pays $10,000 for their support options. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 21:18:03 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:18:03 +0200 Subject: ATI machine flickering monitor Message-ID: <880dece00903231418y7a1846edv2dc56138c0d5de3e@mail.gmail.com> The wife's machine has started flickering the monitor. It seems to be a problem with the computer (hardware? software?) and not the monitor because the monitor runs fine when connected to my laptop. It seems that the system is looking for a different screen resolution every so often: http://pastebin.com/f5073ece5 I don't even know where to start troubleshooting this. Any ideas? Hardware: Asus 22" LDC monitor, connected via DVI to the onboard video card of an Asus motherboard. I haven't yet checked with the VGA cable, will do tomorrow. Software: Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.2, fglrx driver. I will try with the FOSS driver as well. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 21:23:18 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:23:18 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B9C7.30404@gmail.com> <49C7BB9D.6000406@chrononomicon.com> <49C7BF72.3000108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C7FDC6.5010108@gmail.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> I don't know about you, but if I owned a business and was shelling out >> that kind of money, I would expect to be treated better and in a more >> special manner than Jon Doe who bought a laptop from a Dell kiosk in a >> mall and paid only $300 for a 3-year extended warranty. >> > I had also exteremly good Dell business support experiences around 2000. > > However imho your argumentation is not fully logical. > > When I buy as a consumer, I usually do not get any rebate, while when > buying Dell as a (large) business my rebates are WAY better. This means > that Businesses might pay less per machine and for warranty than > consumers do. > > And no matter how Dell or you ;-) will organize your business, I am > expecting top support for the top money that I pay for support, no > matter if I pay business or privately. > > If I do not get what I paid for, I am afraid I will have to go elsewhere. > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > >> -- >> Dirk Freitag >> Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] >> > > Oh absolutely. I whole heartily agree with you. Please do not take my previous statement as me trying to excuse Dell's behavior. That is not what I was trying to do. Yes, as a business buying in bulk, you may pay less per machine that you purchase, but Dell is still pulling in more money from a business ordering 50 computers than an individual who buys only one or two. But I completely understand what you are saying, and agree with it. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From brian.mckee at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 21:36:02 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:36:02 -0400 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <200903232040.48275.kassube@gmx.net> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <200903232040.48275.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Walton Hoops wrote: >> That said (and you're going to hit me for this), a restart of the server >> cleared up the problem. {SMACK!} > I would assume you had started mysql previously from the version > installed from the Ubuntu repository. Then bash still knew the cached > path to the now uninstalled executable. Try "hash -l" to find out which > commands are cached. And with "hash -r" you can clear the list. Huh. Didn't know about that one. Thanks! help hash for those following along at home. It's a bash builtin and thus doesn't have a man page. Brian From res at ausics.net Mon Mar 23 21:44:33 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:44:33 +1000 (EST) Subject: RESOLVED Re: PPTP anomaly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:53:29 +1000, Res posted: > >> After 3 other ppl on list emailed me with same issue, I replaced a ubuntu >> packages with upstreams, problem eliminated, and confirmed by the others. >> > > Aw gee Res, are you trying to get the "top posting" argument restarted? ;-) ummmmmm... might be :) > What is it with the far too frequent tendency for people to discuss things > in private messages. Two of the strengths of a list are the peer review I was just "closing" the thread incase someone bothered to respond in days to come, stop em wasting their time, as I might not see it, since i might be away for days or weeks at a time from this list, and with avg of 100 posts a day, do you really think i'm gunna sit here and go through thousands of posts :) so i tend to just delete to about the last page or so in pine, or high-speed-skim if theres only a few hundred, most often something wont catch my eye. > that it can provide and the chance for lurkers to learn, when > things are done in private those strengths are nullified. And if your > "problem" was solved, why didn't you share details of the solution? Isn't > open source about sharing? yeah but nobody reads my posts, afterall i'm aparently "a troll" , and trolls by defination contribute nothing, so i was living up to your/their expectations of me :) -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From res at ausics.net Mon Mar 23 22:00:19 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:00:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Thorny wrote: >> It's called "a life" you should try it sometime, its amazing! > Well, I've had one for more than 6 decades so far, but I feel some need to Well, at 42 i'm only a pup, so you'd know better then me that the other half often commands attention, and i rather enjoy complying :) > "give back" in some small way for the open source software that has been > provided for me. Oh I've given back many times over the years to several projects, but i'm not a chest beater so dont feel the need to add them all to things like my sig or advertise it, i've always been and will be, a "quiet achiever" > Note: Your spellchecker is broken. :-) I don't use one, its a pain to manually go ctl-T in pine :) >>> We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that implies. >> >> Actually, Slackware, RHEL, Solaris, no more AIX thank god, but ubuntu is >> 3rd boot option in laptop, you see i dont dis a distro without trying it >> first :) However I spend a fair amount of time in ubuntu on laptop, >> mostly coz I detest KDE and my time is limited these days so I CBF >> building all the gnome packages for slack, as I am a great fan of gnome >> and prefer it over any othe GUI. >> > > Hey man, you've been around long enough to know, real geeks use the CLI. :-) I do, what do you think im using now? :) what do you think I use on all list/newsgroups under this account hehe. Of course I use Evolution and ff in gnome a lot for work, afterall, some of these programmers dont understand anything exits outside of GUI, and trying to use portals in lynx is a pain, but its awesome loading pages if i'm away on laptop using dialup, 150k pages load in 2 seconds ... some webmasters think its cool to concentrate on "eye candy" rather than factual content or usability, one day I hope they will wake up to reality. > Not our problem if you are bored, go back to the life you mentioned. ;-) I did, right after I posted that message lol. I'm here now coz works very quiet this morning, enjoying a coffee, some Pink Floyd, and ssh-to-home for your entertainment on usenet/mailing lists, what more could I ask for :) -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From pegngary at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 23:09:23 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:09:23 -0500 Subject: broadcom 4311 Message-ID: I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I downloaded the driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 and the 4312 is listed as a device. Any suggestions? Thanks Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 23:14:43 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:14:43 -0400 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C817E3.8020309@gmail.com> Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I downloaded > the driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 and the > 4312 is listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > > Gary > We will need a little more information on your situation to help you. Did you just install Ubuntu? If so, did you hardwire to an Internet connection and download all the updates for the new install? Also, if you could give us any errors that you may be receiving that would be helpful as well. Let us know. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From pegngary at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 23:27:26 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:27:26 -0500 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: <49C817E3.8020309@gmail.com> References: <49C817E3.8020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I downloaded > > the driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 and the > > 4312 is listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gary > > > > We will need a little more information on your situation to help you. > Did you just install Ubuntu? If so, did you hardwire to an Internet > connection and download all the updates for the new install? Also, if > you could give us any errors that you may be receiving that would be > helpful as well. Let us know. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > I am installing Ubuntu for the first time on the HP. It's on my Dell and works well. I am leaving for Mexico tomorrow and will try to find a hardwire connection there but that will take a while. SO if there are other alternatives to a hard wire connection that I can try this evening let me know. Thanks for the prompt reply. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 23:33:18 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:33:18 -0400 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: <49C817E3.8020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C81C3E.5010609@gmail.com> Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Dirk Freitag > wrote: > > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I > downloaded > > the driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 > and the > > 4312 is listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gary > > > > We will need a little more information on your situation to help you. > Did you just install Ubuntu? If so, did you hardwire to an Internet > connection and download all the updates for the new install? Also, if > you could give us any errors that you may be receiving that would be > helpful as well. Let us know. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > I am installing Ubuntu for the first time on the HP. It's on my Dell > and works well. I am leaving for Mexico tomorrow and will try to find a > hardwire connection there but that will take a while. SO if there are > other alternatives to a hard wire connection that I can try this evening > let me know. > > Thanks for the prompt reply. > > Gary > Unfortunately not. Your best bet at the very least would be to try to hardwire to an internet connection and use the hardware drivers under administration to download and install the drivers and fwcutter automatically, but that generally doesn't work unless you have downloaded updates. So either way, your best bet will be a hardwired connection. Sorry. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From pegngary at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 23:41:19 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:41:19 -0500 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: <49C81C3E.5010609@gmail.com> References: <49C817E3.8020309@gmail.com> <49C81C3E.5010609@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Dirk Freitag > > wrote: > > > > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I > > downloaded > > > the driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 > > and the > > > 4312 is listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > We will need a little more information on your situation to help you. > > Did you just install Ubuntu? If so, did you hardwire to an Internet > > connection and download all the updates for the new install? Also, > if > > you could give us any errors that you may be receiving that would be > > helpful as well. Let us know. > > > > > > -- > > Dirk Freitag > > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/ > ] > > > > I am installing Ubuntu for the first time on the HP. It's on my Dell > > and works well. I am leaving for Mexico tomorrow and will try to find a > > hardwire connection there but that will take a while. SO if there are > > other alternatives to a hard wire connection that I can try this evening > > let me know. > > > > Thanks for the prompt reply. > > > > Gary > > > > Unfortunately not. Your best bet at the very least would be to try to > hardwire to an internet connection and use the hardware drivers under > administration to download and install the drivers and fwcutter > automatically, but that generally doesn't work unless you have > downloaded updates. So either way, your best bet will be a hardwired > connection. Sorry. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > Thanks- will get back to this when I can. We are going to rent an apartment so if there is high speed (likely) and if it is wired then I'll be able to update ubuntu. hasta luego Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 23:56:59 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:56:59 -0700 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/23/2009 04:09 PM, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I downloaded the > driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 and the 4312 is > listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > > Gary > > If this is a new install (as you mentioned), you might have better luck installing wicd instead of trying to get it to work with Network Manager. If you had more time then I suggest troubleshooting the issue (particularly since you can ping the device), but since you are looking to get something up and running quickly I suggest wicd. http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php [Installing Wicd in Ubuntu] I'm assuming that you have installed intrepid, if so change from 'hardy' to: deb http://apt.wicd.net intrepid extras Don't forget to add the signing key: $ wget -q http://apt.wicd.net/wicd.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - If wicd doesn't work for you (it should), you can always easily revert back to Network Mangager. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Mar 24 00:14:39 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:14:39 +0800 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C7D48E.2060909@gmail.com> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> <49C7CBDC.9020705@carl-fh.com> <49C7D48E.2060909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C825EF.4070305@bradbury.edu.hk> >> So, Karl, please don't mix bananas, grape fruit, Gmail and Ubuntu too >> much; but take in to sounder for example, where they probably would like >> some more traffic. >> Please don't send this over to sounder. They have enough pain already :-P >> >> > For all I know IMAP may work fine if your in Sweden. It is very poor > in New Mexico USA. As for using Gmail between many computers IMAP is > perfect, when it works. > So change your ISP. Find one that offers 10mbit/10mbit for about 15 USD/mnth. Problem solved. > With POP3 I have the choice of removing email from Gmail, or I can > leave it on Gmail. This is so another computer like my laptop, can POP3 > email to itself when wanted. This is a lot like IMAP but not with the > problems of IMAP. > Yawn. From pegngary at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 00:25:35 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:25:35 -0500 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:56 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/23/2009 04:09 PM, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect. I downloaded > the > > driver and the fwcutter and ran both. I can ping the 4312 and the 4312 > is > > listed as a device. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > If this is a new install (as you mentioned), you might have better luck > installing wicd instead of trying to get it to work with Network > Manager. If you had more time then I suggest troubleshooting the issue > (particularly since you can ping the device), but since you are looking > to get something up and running quickly I suggest wicd. > > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php > [Installing Wicd in Ubuntu] > > I'm assuming that you have installed intrepid, if so change from 'hardy' > to: > > deb http://apt.wicd.net intrepid extras > > Don't forget to add the signing key: > > $ wget -q http://apt.wicd.net/wicd.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - > > If wicd doesn't work for you (it should), you can always easily revert > back to Network Mangager. > > Not sure it I installed intrepid. I used a cd I ordered a while back. The > cd I made from a download the first time I installed Ubuntu (on a Dell) I > had problems with the cd and the install so I ordered a cd for the next > time, which was just a few days ago after I bought the HP. 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Jonathan On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:56 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/23/2009 04:09 PM, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > I am having trouble getting my Broadcom 4312 to connect.  I downloaded the > > driver and the fwcutter and ran both.  I can ping the 4312 and the 4312 is > > listed as a device.  Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > If this is a new install (as you mentioned), you might have better luck > installing wicd instead of trying to get it to work with Network > Manager. If you had more time then I suggest troubleshooting the issue > (particularly since you can ping the device), but since you are looking > to get something up and running quickly I suggest wicd. > > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ >  http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php >  [Installing Wicd in Ubuntu] > > I'm assuming that you have installed intrepid, if so change from 'hardy' to: > > deb http://apt.wicd.net intrepid extras > > Don't forget to add the signing key: > > $ wget -q http://apt.wicd.net/wicd.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - > > If wicd doesn't work for you (it should), you can always easily revert > back to Network Mangager. > > Not sure it I installed intrepid.  I used a cd I ordered a while back.  The cd I made from a download the first time I installed Ubuntu (on a Dell) I had problems > with the cd and the install so I ordered a cd for the next time, which was just a few days ago after I bought the HP.  How do I tell if I installed Intrepid? > >   > Gary > > From support at thegamersfederation.com Tue Mar 24 00:33:36 2009 From: support at thegamersfederation.com (The Gamer's Federation Tech Support) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:33:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: <49C825EF.4070305@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> <49C7CBDC.9020705@carl-fh.com> <49C7D48E.2060909@gmail.com> <49C825EF.4070305@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: I use imap and gmail. It is an easy setup. I IMAP mail from several email addresses with alpine. I've never had an issue with it across many platforms. On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: > >>> So, Karl, please don't mix bananas, grape fruit, Gmail and Ubuntu too >>> much; but take in to sounder for example, where they probably would like >>> some more traffic. >>> > Please don't send this over to sounder. They have enough pain already :-P >>> >>> >> For all I know IMAP may work fine if your in Sweden. It is very poor >> in New Mexico USA. As for using Gmail between many computers IMAP is >> perfect, when it works. >> > So change your ISP. Find one that offers 10mbit/10mbit for about 15 > USD/mnth. Problem solved. >> With POP3 I have the choice of removing email from Gmail, or I can >> leave it on Gmail. This is so another computer like my laptop, can POP3 >> email to itself when wanted. This is a lot like IMAP but not with the >> problems of IMAP. >> > > Yawn. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 24 01:45:26 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:45:26 -0700 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/23/2009 05:29 PM, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > My version is 8.04. i looked up intrepid and it's 8.10 so my version is old > and requires updating. > > No. It isn't old, it is the LTS (Long Term Support) version & the same that I run on nearly all of my systems. 8.04 (hardy) is just fine. wicd will work just fine with that version as well & in fact I have a broadcom card working on my laptop (hardy) with it. From pegngary at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 02:18:22 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:18:22 -0500 Subject: broadcom 4311 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure I understand what you are saying but I appreciate the info and will work on it as soon as I can get a wired connection. Thanks! Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walton at vyper.hopto.org Tue Mar 24 02:49:21 2009 From: walton at vyper.hopto.org (Walton Hoops) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:49:21 -0600 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <200903232040.48275.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <000601c9ac2b$2bd3c5c0$837b5140$@hopto.org> Ouch! That smack hurt! I'd assume your right about it caching the path. I had no idea it did that. I had originally installed the Ubuntu MySQL, checked for partitioning support, and then built from source instead. A cache would explain why a reboot fixed it too. -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Brian McKee Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:36 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions Subject: Re: bad path in bash On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Walton Hoops wrote: >> That said (and you're going to hit me for this), a restart of the server >> cleared up the problem. {SMACK!} > I would assume you had started mysql previously from the version > installed from the Ubuntu repository. Then bash still knew the cached > path to the now uninstalled executable. Try "hash -l" to find out which > commands are cached. And with "hash -r" you can clear the list. Huh. Didn't know about that one. Thanks! help hash for those following along at home. It's a bash builtin and thus doesn't have a man page. Brian -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From vadud3 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 04:08:52 2009 From: vadud3 at gmail.com (Asif Iqbal) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:08:52 -0400 Subject: iperf 2.0.4 is misbehaving Message-ID: iqbala at example:$ sudo netstat -nap | grep 5001 tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 23658/iperf tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:5001 10.0.0.2:47160 CLOSE_WAIT 23658/iperf tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:5001 10.0.0.2:32247 CLOSE_WAIT 23658/iperf tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:5001 10.0.0.2:13143 CLOSE_WAIT 23658/iperf tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:5001 10.0.0.2:49928 CLOSE_WAIT 23658/iperf tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:5001 10.0.0.2:15159 CLOSE_WAIT 23658/iperf iqbala at example:$ htop 1 [##**********************100.0%] Tasks: 36 total, 6 running 2 [##**********************100.0%] Load average: 5.01 5.01 5.00 Mem[||###***************114/2007MB] Uptime: 13 days, 11:48:39 Swp[| 4/3153MB] PID USER PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command 23709 root 20 0 63292 736 436 R 41.0 0.0 9h02:37 iperf -s -D 26837 root 20 0 63292 736 436 R 41.0 0.0 2h52:10 iperf -s -D 23666 root 20 0 63292 736 436 R 41.0 0.0 9h02:29 iperf -s -D 26294 root 20 0 63292 736 436 R 38.0 0.0 3h23:57 iperf -s -D 26292 root 20 0 63292 736 436 R 36.0 0.0 3h28:42 iperf -s -D 30701 iqbala 20 0 19368 1312 1032 R 0.0 0.1 0:00.04 htop iqbala at example:$ sudo tcpdump -n -i eth2 port 5001 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on eth2, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes iqbala at example:$ iperf -v iperf version 2.0.4 (7 Apr 2008) pthreads iqbala at example:~$ uname -a Linux example 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:28:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Any suggestion how to fix it? I posted in iperf forum as well. -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niknot at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 04:29:14 2009 From: niknot at gmail.com (Nik N) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:29:14 +0000 Subject: timezone setting Message-ID: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 server. Installer insisted I specify a geographic location; and gave me no possibility to chose UTC (formerly "Greenwich mean time") as the time zone. We require that the server runs on UTC time. Where/what must be changed to accomplish this? TIA Nik N. From pgschroeder at ymail.com Tue Mar 24 05:15:50 2009 From: pgschroeder at ymail.com (Philip Schroeder) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cleaning-up Old Versions Message-ID: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I am a relatively new user of Linux and Ubuntu. The path to were I am now in my journey to master Linux. I have finally got an install I am happy with. I have Ubuntu 8.10 for AMD 64 bit processors running stably for a few months now. I am using it as my main access to the world, when at home. How do I clean-up all the unneed stuff in my Grub Loader 1.5. I am running a dual-boot Acer laptop. I do need XP sometimes, but mostly I like Ubuntu. I also have another loader installed in the process that comes up when I choose to run XP from Grub. I'd like to make that go away too. Suggestions...? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 24 07:28:27 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:28:27 +0300 Subject: network usage software on my gateway Message-ID: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> Hi, We reached a point our internet connexion is overheaded. We have about 20 workstations. I would like to build some stats on the network consumption: HTTP, FTP, Torrents, Instant messenging, whatever... The goal is to find out first what kind of traffic is overheading the connexion. Thus, I look for a very good and clever software in order to detect traffic kind. I would be only about detecting the working port, because MSN (for example) can go through 80 port: I need the soft to detect it's an MSN using 80. What would be your advices? -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From sundar.personal at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 07:48:19 2009 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:48:19 -0700 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: <025601c9abeb$bcbf2ec0$363d8c40$@hopto.org> References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> <49C7DE5F.1070802@carl-fh.com> <025601c9abeb$bcbf2ec0$363d8c40$@hopto.org> Message-ID: Walton Hoops wrote: > No, I used the source from the official MySQL page. I wouldn't think that > would affect bash's pathing though. > > That said (and you're going to hit me for this), a restart of the server > cleared up the problem. Still strange that it occurred though :-P > > Thanks for the help! > I'm late to the party, but I agree it is interesting to understand why this happened in the first place. Did you uninstall the existing MySQL and in the same shell install from source? Could it be that the original MySQL was in /usr/bin/mysql and you required a 'rehash' for bash to re-read the locations of commands in the path? That does not explain why 'which mysql' returned /usr/local/bin/mysql, or does it? Maybe which is an external command that is spawned in a new subshell that creates a new hash of the locations of commands in the path - and thus finds mysql in /usr/local/bin? From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 08:13:11 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:13:11 +1000 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) Message-ID: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> My family members all want to access our photo archive, and perhaps music files from individual user's accounts. How can I set this up? Here's what I thought of so far, but I think it's not going to work nicely: two ideas are - set up a user "common" where a partition is mounted to /home/common/photos, or some such. - set up symlinks in each user's directory to folders that other users may be allowed to access Is there a standard way to do this? I don't wnat to share folders with a windows computer. Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilles at gravier.org Tue Mar 24 08:19:00 2009 From: gilles at gravier.org (Gilles Gravier) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:19:00 +0100 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> Hi! Alan E. Davis wrote: > My family members all want to access our photo archive, and perhaps > music files from individual user's accounts. How can I set this up? > > Here's what I thought of so far, but I think it's not going to work > nicely: two ideas are > - set up a user "common" where a partition is mounted to > /home/common/photos, or some such. > - set up symlinks in each user's directory to folders that other > users may be allowed to access > > Is there a standard way to do this? I don't wnat to share folders > with a windows computer. Probably simplest is to have both users members of the same "group" (as in /etc/group) Then make the directory (and sub files) owned by that group (chgrp -R YourGroup /YourSharedFolder) Then you want to set that directory's (Set User ID) bit for the group, recursively (chmod g+s /YouSharedFolder) And you should be set... Gilles. -- /*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* ICQ : *77488526* * || *MSN Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org * *Skype : ggravier * || *Y! : ggravier || AOL : gillesgravier PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* "Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 24 08:27:27 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:27:27 +0300 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8996F.9030407@lab.vectoris.fr> Alan E. Davis wrote: > - set up a user "common" where a partition is mounted to > /home/common/photos, or some such. > - set up symlinks in each user's directory to folders that other > users may be allowed to access - Creating a /public directory and then chmoding it to 777 - Using filesystem ACLs: - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACL-OnByDefault - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FilePermissions PS: I dont understand _why_ Ubuntu documentation is behind an HTTPS link... It forbids my squid to cache it... -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From fajarpri at arinet.org Tue Mar 24 08:29:11 2009 From: fajarpri at arinet.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:29:11 +0800 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> Message-ID: <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> > Probably simplest is to have both users members of the same "group" (as in > /etc/group) > > Then make the directory (and sub files) owned by that group (chgrp -R > YourGroup /YourSharedFolder) > > Then you want to set that directory's (Set User ID) bit for the group, > recursively (chmod g+s /YouSharedFolder) > > And you should be set... Little addition, if you want to prevent user from deleting other user's files, we can use sticky bit: chmod +t /YourSharedFolder This way user can modify other user's files, but not delete them, only the owner can. From cl at isbd.net Tue Mar 24 08:56:49 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:56:49 +0000 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:29:11PM +0800, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > > Probably simplest is to have both users members of the same "group" (as in > > /etc/group) > > > > Then make the directory (and sub files) owned by that group (chgrp -R > > YourGroup /YourSharedFolder) > > > > Then you want to set that directory's (Set User ID) bit for the group, > > recursively (chmod g+s /YouSharedFolder) > > > > And you should be set... > > Little addition, if you want to prevent user from deleting other > user's files, we can use sticky bit: > chmod +t /YourSharedFolder > This way user can modify other user's files, but not delete them, only > the owner can. > But there's no *actual* difference between modifying a file and deleting it surely. If I modify a file to zero length then I've effectively deleted it. -- Chris Green From gilles at gravier.org Tue Mar 24 09:18:33 2009 From: gilles at gravier.org (Gilles Gravier) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:18:33 +0100 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49C8A569.3080405@Gravier.org> Hi! Chris G wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:29:11PM +0800, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > >>> Probably simplest is to have both users members of the same "group" (as in >>> /etc/group) >>> >>> Then make the directory (and sub files) owned by that group (chgrp -R >>> YourGroup /YourSharedFolder) >>> >>> Then you want to set that directory's (Set User ID) bit for the group, >>> recursively (chmod g+s /YouSharedFolder) >>> >>> And you should be set... >>> >> Little addition, if you want to prevent user from deleting other >> user's files, we can use sticky bit: >> chmod +t /YourSharedFolder >> This way user can modify other user's files, but not delete them, only >> the owner can. >> >> > But there's no *actual* difference between modifying a file and > deleting it surely. If I modify a file to zero length then I've > effectively deleted it. > > The idea is to prevent mistakes... not voluntary destructive action. One can always walk up to the server with a big magnet and wave it close to the disk and you delete everything... Gilles. -- /*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* ICQ : *77488526* * || *MSN Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org * *Skype : ggravier * || *Y! : ggravier || AOL : gillesgravier PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* "Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 24 09:18:48 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:18:48 +0300 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <49C8A578.2060109@lab.vectoris.fr> Chris G wrote: > But there's no *actual* difference between modifying a file and > deleting it surely. "find" would still find it, so it's not deleted. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 10:46:33 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:46:33 -0700 Subject: [OT] became PM, was (Re: ubuntards) References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:00:19 +1000, Res posted: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Thorny wrote: > >>> It's called "a life" you should try it sometime, its amazing! >> Well, I've had one for more than 6 decades so far, but I feel some need >> to > > Well, at 42 i'm only a pup, so you'd know better then me that the other > half often commands attention, and i rather enjoy complying :) > Well, that kind of demand is usually not onerous. >> "give back" in some small way for the open source software that has been >> provided for me. > > Oh I've given back many times over the years to several projects, but i'm > not a chest beater so dont feel the need to add them all to things like my > sig or advertise it, i've always been and will be, a "quiet achiever" > To my mind, that is the best way. Except in specific instances, for example in a list where developers are discussing issues and identifying oneself may be necessary and it may be standard practise to digitally sign ones email. Other than that, I almost always find "credential" sigs grate on me and waste bandwidth, why should I care who someone is, I just care about the quality of the discussion. >> Note: Your spellchecker is broken. :-) > > I don't use one, its a pain to manually go ctl-T in pine :) > ;-) >>>> We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that >>>> implies. >>> >>> Actually, Slackware, RHEL, Solaris, no more AIX thank god, but ubuntu >>> is 3rd boot option in laptop, you see i dont dis a distro without >>> trying it first :) However I spend a fair amount of time in ubuntu on >>> laptop, mostly coz I detest KDE and my time is limited these days so I >>> CBF building all the gnome packages for slack, as I am a great fan of >>> gnome and prefer it over any othe GUI. >>> >>> >> Hey man, you've been around long enough to know, real geeks use the CLI. >> :-) > > I do, what do you think im using now? :) what do you think I use on all > list/newsgroups under this account hehe. Of course I use Evolution and ff > in gnome a lot for work, afterall, some of these programmers dont > understand anything exits outside of GUI, and trying to use portals in > lynx is a pain, but its awesome loading pages if i'm away on laptop using > dialup, 150k pages load in 2 seconds ... some webmasters think its cool to > concentrate on "eye candy" rather than factual content or usability, one > day I hope they will wake up to reality. > Yah! As I'm sure you know from my headers, I like a nice GUI newsreader for this list with good threading and filtering (and one with which I'm familiar) so I can find things easily when I want to. Agree with you about eye candy, feel sorry for the people who are visually challenged and have to wade through things with a screen reader. >> Not our problem if you are bored, go back to the life you mentioned. >> ;-) > > I did, right after I posted that message lol. I'm here now coz works > very quiet this morning, enjoying a coffee, some Pink Floyd, and > ssh-to-home for your entertainment on usenet/mailing lists, what more > could I ask for > :) I like Pink Floyd too. Everyone else is now probably bored with our "lovefest". Thorny on Cassandra, over and out. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 10:57:37 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:57:37 -0700 Subject: Enough already References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:14:44 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: [... IMAP vs POP3 content trimmed to save bandwidth] Karl, thank you for taking the time to explain as I asked. Others have mentioned several important things to note about usability and strengths and weaknesses of each method, all of us and the lurkers who don't post but just read may benefit from this discussion. The bottom line: You get to choose what works best for you. From lngndvs at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:01:22 2009 From: lngndvs at gmail.com (Alan E. Davis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:01:22 +1000 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <49C8A578.2060109@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> <49C8A578.2060109@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <7bef1f890903240401w32de4bbg221657ffb02371e@mail.gmail.com> There are many ideas here already. I like the idea of a "/public" directory or "/common". Maybe /usr/local/share/public, especially if /usr/local is a separate partition. Maybe I'm missing something, though. I have gotten used to using nautilus, and even starting to like it. Even though I'm still depressed about lack of facility in comparison with using the command line shell, I am able to access a reasonable number of subdirectories through the Bookmarks on the sidebar. So, given that I can assign a bookmark to /public or /usr/local/common, or whatever, can I mount the directory to both user's ~/ (home) directory? I think my head is stuck back in a byegone age. My students tell me that. Alan Davis "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son, who was also a scientist. It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. ---- Bertrand Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:09:19 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:09:19 -0700 Subject: RESOLVED Re: PPTP anomaly References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:44:33 +1000, Res posted: > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Thorny wrote: > >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:53:29 +1000, Res posted: >> >>> After 3 other ppl on list emailed me with same issue, I replaced a >>> ubuntu packages with upstreams, problem eliminated, and confirmed by >>> the others. >>> >>> >> Aw gee Res, are you trying to get the "top posting" argument restarted? >> ;-) > > ummmmmm... might be :) > >> What is it with the far too frequent tendency for people to discuss >> things in private messages. Two of the strengths of a list are the peer >> review > > I was just "closing" the thread incase someone bothered to respond in days > to come, stop em wasting their time, as I might not see it, since i might > be away for days or weeks at a time from this list, and with avg of 100 > posts a day, do you really think i'm gunna sit here and go through > thousands of posts :) so i tend to just delete to about the last page or > so in pine, or high-speed-skim if theres only a few hundred, most often > something wont catch my eye. > >> that it can provide and the chance for lurkers to learn, when things are >> done in private those strengths are nullified. And if your "problem" was >> solved, why didn't you share details of the solution? Isn't open source >> about sharing? > > yeah but nobody reads my posts, afterall i'm aparently "a troll" , and > trolls by defination contribute nothing, so i was living up to your/their > expectations of me :) This thread was not a troll, it had relevant content. At least, it could have if you had chosen to add it. One, or perhaps some, of your other posts have been trolls in my opinion, that does not make you a troll. Actually, I think you would have the ability to contribute a certain breadth and depth to discussions if you, aren't bored, choose to. Was it a "network-mangler" issue, that was my first thought. No need to answer, this thread is solved and closed. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:21:18 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:21:18 -0600 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> Nik N wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 server. Installer insisted I specify a > geographic location; and gave me no possibility to chose UTC (formerly > "Greenwich mean time") as the time zone. > > We require that the server runs on UTC time. Where/what must be > changed to accomplish this? > TIA > > Nik N. > > Well we used to call it Grenich Mean Time. So just set the time to London England about and it will be right. Karl > From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:44:09 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:44:09 -0600 Subject: Enough already In-Reply-To: References: <49C6BAFD.1040503@gmail.com> <49C7756C.1060409@gmail.com> <49C79954.5090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8C789.5060305@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:14:44 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > > [... IMAP vs POP3 content trimmed to save bandwidth] > > Karl, thank you for taking the time to explain as I asked. > > Others have mentioned several important things to note about usability and > strengths and weaknesses of each method, all of us and the lurkers who > don't post but just read may benefit from this discussion. > > The bottom line: You get to choose what works best for you. > > > > I think you should say this is not about IMAP and POP3 in general, it is these in the context of Gmail. Both work fine in general, but Gmail has problems with IMAP for reasons I am not aware of. IMAP is far more complex than POP3, so that might be the problem on Gmail. Or, there are more people using Gmail and it gets overloaded. Karl From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 24 12:10:15 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:10:15 +0300 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903240401w32de4bbg221657ffb02371e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> <49C8A578.2060109@lab.vectoris.fr> <7bef1f890903240401w32de4bbg221657ffb02371e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8CDA7.5060806@lab.vectoris.fr> Alan E. Davis wrote: > [...] So, > given that I can assign a bookmark to /public or /usr/local/common, or > whatever, can I mount the directory to both user's ~/ (home) directory? You wont mount a directory, but a partition instead. Take a separate partition and mount it everwhere you want. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From dcurtis at uniserve.com Tue Mar 24 12:11:21 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:11:21 -0400 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090324081121.a9959252.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:29:14 +0000 Nik N wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 server. Installer insisted I specify a > geographic location; and gave me no possibility to chose UTC (formerly > "Greenwich mean time") as the time zone. > > We require that the server runs on UTC time. Where/what must be > changed to accomplish this? > TIA Unless the server install does not use tzdata you *can* select UTC. Execute 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' and scroll down to select 'none of the above' and you will be able to choose GMT,GMT + or - what ever hours you wish or UCT,UTC,Universal and Zulu. You probably need to peruse wikipedia for technical differences between them all. -- David Curtis From dcurtis at uniserve.com Tue Mar 24 12:23:45 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:23:45 -0400 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:21:18 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > Nik N wrote: > > I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 server. Installer insisted I specify a > > geographic location; and gave me no possibility to chose UTC (formerly > > "Greenwich mean time") as the time zone. > > > > We require that the server runs on UTC time. Where/what must be > > changed to accomplish this? > > TIA > > > > Nik N. > > > > Well we used to call it Grenich Mean Time. So just set the time to London England about and it will be right. No, the UK uses BST (same as DST) in the summer, UTC/UCT, as a time zone does not change at all. This will screw up anything on the server that is time based, like cron, system logging etc. -- David Curtis From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:47:17 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:47:17 -0700 Subject: [OT] was (Re: ubuntards) References: Message-ID: To: The list member who asked for help about this thread, I do not provide help in personal email but since you said please I will make a suggestion. Ask your question by starting a new topic, there will be lots of posters to help and then we can all benefit from the discussion, probably others have the same question but haven't yet asked. I will not personally identify you and no one else has to know if you ask in a general way, not related to this specific thread. There's nothing wrong with your question, it's just standard practise not to bring personal messages to the list. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 24 12:50:17 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:50:17 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> Res wrote: > > Oh I've given back many times over the years to several projects, but i'm > not a chest beater so dont feel the need to add them all to things like my > sig or advertise it, i've always been and will be, a "quiet achiever" Given the number of times I remember you mentioning this "casually" on the list...I think you just moved from beating your chest to tooting a horn and consider yourself better than everyone else because you don't beat your chest. You also like popping in here to rile things up and belittle others here..."helping newbies off list so I don't have to beat my chest, helping more people than any of you ever have"...while never just packing up your things and leaving the list you seem to despise. You are sounding more like the guy that sits there telling everyone what a nice guy he is and wondering why women don't go for him. If he's a nice guy...why does he need to tell everyone? >> Not our problem if you are bored, go back to the life you mentioned. ;-) > > I did, right after I posted that message lol. And then came back here to tell everyone just how much you didn't care about this list... *shrug* not that it matters. I'm sure you'll have some witty and venomous reply anyway. But hey...on the webbertubes, whatever floats yer' boat, right? From thorntreehome at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 13:05:55 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:05:55 -0700 Subject: Cleaning-up Old Versions References: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:15:50 -0700, Philip Schroeder posted: Please post to the list in text only. More below... > I am a relatively new user of Linux and Ubuntu. The path to were I am > now in my journey to master Linux. I have finally got an install I am > happy with. I have Ubuntu 8.10 for AMD 64 bit processors running stably > for a few months now. I am using it as my main access to the world, when > at home. How do I clean-up all the unneed stuff in my Grub Loader 1.5. I > am running a dual-boot Acer laptop. I do need XP sometimes, but mostly I > like Ubuntu. I also have another loader installed in the process that > comes up when I choose to run XP from Grub. I'd like to make that go > away too. Suggestions...? > We'd need a lot more specific information about exactly how your system is configured to give you a step-by-step formula without the danger of advising you incorrectly, thus causing you grief, and not many people want to do that anyway. Lots, though, will be happy to answer your specific questions after you have researched on your own. The grub menu list /boot/grub/menu.lst is annotated. Further information is available in the GNU GRUB manual, usually accessed from a terminal with "info grub". Or online at: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html From sroberts at wurldtech.com Mon Mar 23 23:38:23 2009 From: sroberts at wurldtech.com (Sam Roberts) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:38:23 -0700 Subject: tcpslice: cannot accept captures with zero or one packet Message-ID: <20090323233823.GA8333@wurldtech.com> Package: tcpslice Version: 1.2a3-2ubuntu1 Severity: important Tags: patch tcpslice fails on packet captures with zero or one packet in them. Given an arbitrary set of captures, it is entirely possible that some of them don't have packets or have small numbers of packets. It is not easy to determine how many packets are in a capture, and tcpslice itself will write captures with zero or one packets if that is how many are found in a slice. This is easily reproduceable with tcpslice by running it with -R to find the time of the first/last packet in a capture, then creating slices that have the last packet and no packets. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers gutsy-updates APT policy: (500, 'gutsy-updates'), (500, 'gutsy-security'), (500, 'gutsy-proposed'), (500, 'gutsy-backports'), (500, 'gutsy') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.22-16-generic (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages tcpslice depends on: ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libpcap0.8 0.9.7-1build1 System interface for user-level pa tcpslice recommends no packages. -- no debconf information From rizwan.hafeez at oaa.com Mon Mar 23 18:06:04 2009 From: rizwan.hafeez at oaa.com (rizwan.hafeez at oaa.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:06:04 +0100 Subject: Empowering technology problem on Ubuntu Message-ID: Dear Sir / Madam, How can I install Acer's Empowering Technology on Ubuntu. Empowering Technology controls the CPU fan on my Acer Aspire 5315 laptop. Without this software, laptop tuns off itself because of over heating. Can you help me? Thanks in advance. Rizwan Hafeez -----Original Message----- From: Dax Solomon Umaming [mailto:knightlust at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dax Solomon Umaming Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:03 PM To: Hafeez, Rizwan (RIXZO-V) Subject: Re: empowering technology problem on Ubuntu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rizwan.hafeez at oaa.com wrote: > Dear Sir / Madam, > How can I install Acer's Empowering Technology > on Ubuntu. Empowering Technology controls the CPU fan on my Acer Aspire > 5315 laptop. Without this software, laptop tuns off itself because of > over heating. Can you help me? > > Thanks in advance. Rizwan, Kindly forward your query to ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com - -- Dax Solomon Umaming http://blog.knightlust.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknHzt0ACgkQ6Hw0ZHFcNUe4SACfWg/iKD6Vm4cJvvJ/G6SRr688 uH0An14Qb7r/rXJKp64yibL9+uCHd+v9 =jy/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ironbishop at fsfe.org Tue Mar 24 10:24:07 2009 From: ironbishop at fsfe.org (Iron Bishop) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:24:07 +0100 Subject: problem with keyboard Message-ID: <200903241024.n2OAO799007057@vivaldi38.register.it> hi, I have this problem with arabic keyboard, can someone help me? thx http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1104047 I think it's useless repeat here the details, and better you look there plz, but no one replyed by now... ;_; -- Iron Bishop From paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 12:49:47 2009 From: paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com (Paulo Baptista) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:49:47 +0100 Subject: uninstalling ubuntu Message-ID: <6b6fc8970903240549k615b9a8bpb3ebb6282724f0e5@mail.gmail.com> Hi My name is Paulo Baptista I've recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop using a dual-boot system with Vista Home Premium. But now I realize that I made a mistake, because I'm not having the time or the pacience to learn how to use Ubuntu. So my question is, how can i uninstall Ubuntu, leaving my Vista completely intact and regaining the space the Ubuntu partition took??? Thanks to any friend that helps me with this. Ps. Please email me to my account paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 24 13:29:57 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:57 -0600 Subject: Fw: Ubuntu 7.10 reaches end-of-life on April 18, 2009 Message-ID: <20090324072957.1ee8bf62@teamcharliesangels.com> For everyone's information that has not seen this: Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:32:02 -0700 From: Steve Langasek To: ubuntu-announce at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 reaches end-of-life on April 18, 2009 Ubuntu announced the release of 7.10 almost 18 months ago, on October 18, 2007. As with the earlier releases, Ubuntu committed to ongoing security and critical fixes for a period of 18 months. The support period is now nearing its end and Ubuntu 7.10 will reach end of life on Saturday, April 18, 2008. At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include information or updated packages for Ubuntu 7.10. The supported upgrade path from Ubuntu 7.10 is via Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Instructions and caveats for the upgrade may be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades. Note that upgrades to version 8.10 and beyond are only supported in multiple steps, via an upgrade first to 8.04 LTS, then to 8.10. Both Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and Ubuntu 8.10 continue to be actively supported with security updates and select high-impact bug fixes. All announcements of official security updates for Ubuntu releases are sent to the ubuntu-security-announce mailing list, information about which may be found at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce. Since its launch in October 2004 Ubuntu has become one of the most highly regarded Linux distributions with millions of users in homes, schools, businesses and governments around the world. Ubuntu is Open Source software, costs nothing to download, and users are free to customise or alter their software in order to meet their needs. -- ubuntu-announce mailing list ubuntu-announce at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 24 13:34:23 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:34:23 -0600 Subject: tcpslice: cannot accept captures with zero or one packet In-Reply-To: <20090323233823.GA8333@wurldtech.com> References: <20090323233823.GA8333@wurldtech.com> Message-ID: <20090324073423.751ca283@teamcharliesangels.com> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:38:23 -0700 Sam Roberts wrote: > Package: tcpslice > Version: 1.2a3-2ubuntu1 > Severity: important > Tags: patch > > > tcpslice fails on packet captures with zero or one packet in them. > Given an arbitrary set of captures, it is entirely possible that some > of them don't have packets or have small numbers of packets. > > It is not easy to determine how many packets are in a capture, and > tcpslice itself will write captures with zero or one packets if that > is how many are found in a slice. > > This is easily reproduceable with tcpslice by running it with -R to > find the time of the first/last packet in a capture, then creating > slices that have the last packet and no packets. > > > -- System Information: > Debian Release: lenny/sid > APT prefers gutsy-updates > APT policy: (500, 'gutsy-updates'), (500, 'gutsy-security'), (500, > 'gutsy-proposed'), (500, 'gutsy-backports'), (500, 'gutsy') > Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) > > Kernel: Linux 2.6.22-16-generic (SMP w/2 CPU cores) > Locale: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) > Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash > > Versions of packages tcpslice depends on: > ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared > libraries ii libpcap0.8 0.9.7-1build1 System > interface for user-level pa > > tcpslice recommends no packages. > > -- no debconf information > Can you file this on launchpad? I know the system sent it to the users mailing list, but it never gets worked if it stays here. The right place to file bug reports is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu That will give the developers a chance to see if they can fix it. By the way, Gutsy is Ubuntu 7.10. The support period is now nearing its end and Ubuntu 7.10 will reach end of life on Saturday, April 18, 2008. At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include information or updated packages for Ubuntu 7.10. I would suggest upgrading to 8.04 LTS, which has a support of three years for home users, 5 years for server edition. Thanks. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 24 13:43:32 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:43:32 +0100 Subject: Empowering technology problem on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: rizwan.hafeez at oaa.com wrote: > Dear Sir / Madam, > How can I install Acer's Empowering Technology on > Ubuntu. Empowering Technology controls the CPU fan on my Acer Aspire > 5315 laptop. Without this software, laptop tuns off itself because of > over heating. Can you help me? > > Thanks in advance. > > Rizwan Hafeez > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4925392&postcount=117 and btw., it helps greatly to learn how to use google. Hth Kind regards Eberhard From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 14:21:05 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:21:05 -0600 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal Message-ID: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> I have been using Thunderbird email client for a long time. But this morning I learned out how to delete old email in large chunks. I have wanted to do it for some time but it didn't seem to work. Here is what works. First select the mail you want to delete. You do this by selecting the oldest email, and then go to the newest you want to delete and first hold the Shift key which darkens all the email you want to delete. Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little time but in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to the trash directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the files you sent there. Karl From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Tue Mar 24 14:24:33 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:24:33 +0000 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8ED21.5060609@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have been using Thunderbird email client for a long time. But this > morning I learned out how to delete old email in large chunks. I have > wanted to do it for some time but it didn't seem to work. Here is what > works. What didn't work? Your supplied method is the only one I've ever considered. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 24 14:40:49 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:40:49 -0400 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8F0F1.4070108@ercbroadband.org> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have been using Thunderbird email client for a long time. But this > morning I learned out how to delete old email in large chunks. I have > wanted to do it for some time but it didn't seem to work. Here is what > works. > > First select the mail you want to delete. You do this by selecting > the oldest email, and then go to the newest you want to delete and first > hold the Shift key which darkens all the email you want to delete. Now > just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little time but in the lower > left corner it tells you it is sending email to the trash directory. You > can look at the Trash and it will show the files you sent there. > > Karl > > I'm really gonna pretend you didn't send this to my email. That's a shortcut EVERYONE should know. The shift-click option is used in virtually every GUI out there. My kids know it, the youngest is 10. Did we really need this in our INBOXes? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Tue Mar 24 14:40:53 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:40:53 +0100 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C8F0F5.7070608@gmx.at> Hi Karl, > First select the mail you want to delete. You do this by selecting > the oldest email, and then go to the newest you want to delete and first > hold the Shift key which darkens all the email you want to delete. Now > just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little time but in the lower > left corner it tells you it is sending email to the trash directory. You > can look at the Trash and it will show the files you sent there. > If you want to free up the space on your hard disk as well you have to compact the mail folder: -> File -> Compact all folders. Otherwise the emails are just marked as deleted. Take a look at the link below for more information http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders Franz From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 24 14:35:01 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:35:01 +0100 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little > time but in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to > the trash directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the > files you sent there. Well, IMHO moving to the trash directory is something entirely different than deleting stuff. So it seems the delete function is faulty. Yes, I know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in the first place if you want to delete mails? Nils From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 24 15:12:24 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:12:24 +0300 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49C8F858.1020006@lab.vectoris.fr> Nils Kassube wrote: > [...] Yes, I > know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in > the first place if you want to delete mails? It's a stupid inheritance from the Windows world. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From ubuntu at swhi.net Tue Mar 24 15:29:01 2009 From: ubuntu at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:29:01 -0400 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8F858.1020006@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> <49C8F858.1020006@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <49C8FC3D.7000307@swhi.net> Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > > It's a stupid inheritance from the Windows world. > Not to put too fine a point on this or add to the noise here, but this is most definitely NOT a stupid inheritance from M$. Even the old standby, pine, only marks messages as deleted. To make them go away, you have to 'purge' them. That seems to me to be what this is more analogous to. -Ray From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 15:38:13 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:38:13 -0600 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little >> time but in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to >> the trash directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the >> files you sent there. >> > > Well, IMHO moving to the trash directory is something entirely different > than deleting stuff. So it seems the delete function is faulty. Yes, I > know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in > the first place if you want to delete mails? > > > Nils > > I do not move the Trash directory. I goto File Empty trash. Karl From mjhammel at verizon.net Tue Mar 24 15:45:01 2009 From: mjhammel at verizon.net (Mike Hammel) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:45:01 -0400 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. Message-ID: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> I have installed a new MSI 865GM3-V motherboard in my computer. I downloaded (from another computer) 8.1 and installed. All went pretty well except some things don't work so well. The USB optical mouse is a bit flakey but the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the internet). I have tried several different internet connection settings within Firefox to no avail. Sound isn't working either. But my printer does! I have looked high and low for Linux drivers for this motherboard. All I can find are Win drivers. Any suggestions? I am about ready to give up and go back to XP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niknot at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 15:46:37 2009 From: niknot at gmail.com (Nik N) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:46:37 +0000 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <328a5cf40903240846w453680b6p383330838c2de9bc@mail.gmail.com> > ... Well we used to call it [Greenwich] Mean Time. So just set the time to London England about and it will be right. (Well, my users might then conclude that the server is actually located in Britain; this would definitely rub them the wrong way! :) As somebody else correctly noticed, if that was done, the issue of "daylight saving" would again invalidate the idea of ALL geographically dispersed but cooperating computers running on the same time. How come all applications that generate or use time-stamps are so brain-dead that they simply pull the local computer time and generate the time-stamp with absolutely no consideration for the fact that time-stamped object will be moved to or accessed from a different geographical location? Who the heck is writing this stuff? Did they ever travel more than hundred kilometers east or west from where they live? Did they take their laptop with tem? While the distro-cooks can not fix ten thousand faulty applications, surely they must anticipate that a large number of users will apply the only (AFAIK) remedy possible: have all cooperating or networked computers run on UTC as "local" time, regardless of where they are (or happen to be, at any given point in time!). This should be reasonably easy to set up during the installation. Especially for servers! (And laptops, especially if those are expected to travel more than hundred kilometers east or west. :) Anyways, (as I found out) on the server, one can (post-installation) run the command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (and select UTC). The question however remains: after doing that, is there any remnant of the inappropriate timezone that the user was *forced* to select during the installation left on the system? Nik N. From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Tue Mar 24 15:48:29 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:48:29 +0100 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C900CD.2020201@gmx.at> Hi Karl, > I do not move the Trash directory. I goto File Empty trash. If you keep the shift key pressed when clicking delete or pressing the delete key the selected emails are deleted directly (Not moved to the trash directory). The need to compact the folders remains. Franz From bret at busby.net Tue Mar 24 15:55:24 2009 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:55:24 +0900 (WST) Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 24 15:59:38 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:59:38 -0400 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C9036A.3020807@ercbroadband.org> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >>> Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little >>> time but in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to >>> the trash directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the >>> files you sent there. >>> >> Well, IMHO moving to the trash directory is something entirely different >> than deleting stuff. So it seems the delete function is faulty. Yes, I >> know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in >> the first place if you want to delete mails? >> >> >> Nils >> >> > I do not move the Trash directory. I goto File Empty trash. > > > Karl > > He didn't say move the Trash directory, he said Move TO the trash directory. I.e. by deleting you move the 'deleted' messages to the Trash bin. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Tue Mar 24 16:04:18 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:04:18 +0100 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. In-Reply-To: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> References: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> Message-ID: <49C90482.10909@gmx.at> Mike Hammel schrieb: > I have installed a new MSI 865GM3-V motherboard in my computer. I > downloaded (from another computer) 8.1 and installed. All went pretty > well except some things don't work so well. The USB optical mouse is a > bit flakey but the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working > (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the > internet). I have tried several different internet connection Is there a dhcp-server on your network (a server which distributes IP-addresses automatically). Maybe you have an IP-Address but a wrong DNS configuration. try to ping the computer with which you downloaded the ubuntu cd. start a Terminal (applications-accessories) and type ping IP-Address of any other computer in your network or try to ping 74.125.43.103 that is the IP-address of www.google.com, if the ping works you are connected to the internet but don't have access to a DNS-server a DNS-Server "translates" www.someaddress.com to a corresponding IP-Address Franz From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Tue Mar 24 16:09:42 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:09:42 +0100 Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C905C6.3040707@gmx.at> Bret Busby schrieb: > The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? No From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 24 16:14:47 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:14:47 +0100 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. In-Reply-To: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> References: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> Message-ID: Mike Hammel wrote: > I have installed a new MSI 865GM3-V motherboard in my computer. I > downloaded (from another computer) 8.1 and installed. All went pretty > well except some things don't work so well. The USB optical mouse is a > bit flakey but the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working > (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the > internet). I have tried several different internet connection > settings within Firefox to no avail. Sound isn't working either. But > my printer does! I have looked high and low for Linux drivers for this > motherboard. All I can find are Win drivers. Any suggestions? I am > about ready to give up and go back to XP. First of all wellcome to the wonderful world of Linux where it is your choice what you do. If you want to give up this freedom, it will be a pity, but this is also your choice. Linux does not have nor need such things as motherboard drivers. Most often, anything runs out of the box. As your install seems to be the exception from the rule, let's try to do a bit of troubleshooting, begining with your network. As I understand, you are working on a GUI, most likely Gnome. Then open up a terminal and type in first: sudo ifconfig eth0 then sudo lspci | grep net The first command will show you, what Ubuntu thinks of your first ethernet card. The other one will show you, which network controller your motherboard uses. And there you immediately get to see a huge advantage of Linux that works to your benefits. If you do not believe me, just to find out the same wealth and detail of information with windows. ;-)) Anyway, please post both outputs here. Moreover, you might use google and look for e.g. +"your motherboard" +linux +network This will show you either that your problem is a typical challenge with your motherboard and how to possibly cure this. Alternatively you will quickly see that a multitude of people are using your motherboard and network card successfully with linux. Lastly have a look at the back of your computer to find out about typical things that might go wrong: Is the little LED very near or nearly inside your network connection lit? If not, is your ethernet cable properly connected to the computer? If so, is the other end of the cable also properly and firmly connected to the switch or router or...? Just let us know what you will find out, so that we can help you get along. This list is great with any problem that you might have with your Ubuntu Linux Kind regards Eberhard From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 16:15:12 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:15:12 -0400 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) In-Reply-To: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Alan E. Davis wrote: > My family members all want to access our photo archive, and perhaps music > files from individual user's accounts. How can I set this up? > > Here's what I thought of so far, but I think it's not going to work nicely: > two ideas are > - set up a user "common" where a partition is mounted to > /home/common/photos, or some such. > - set up symlinks in each user's directory to folders that other users > may be allowed to access > > Is there a standard way to do this? I don't wnat to share folders with a > windows computer. > > Alan Davis > > "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one > non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or > else his son, who was also a scientist. > > It is undesirable to believe a proposition when > there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true. > ---- Bertrand Russell > > Case 1 that I have tried: I have a folder called /media/Photos which is writable by the video group. This way all people in "video" group and write/read to it. Everyone can put photos there (but all photos should go in properly named directories and have some order to avoid chaos by all family members!). Case 2: But the previous did not allow the access over the network (other than by opening a display). I then mounted that folder in samba and made it belong to the smbuser group. Now everyone who has access to that machine over samba from any machine (Mac, Windows, Linux) and put/read photos from there. Bottom line: IMHO, all photos should in one specific folder and arranged there in some manner (multiple folders based on some criterion). And that one folder must be readable/writable by a group, e.g. video. And all people you want to share photos must belong to that group (mostly all desktop users belong to the video group). The other option of allowing permissions of 777 (everyone can write/read) is just not as tight in security, but it is your choice. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 24 16:23:32 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:23:32 -0500 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237911812.19068.6.camel@spare> - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:45:01 -0400 > From: "Mike Hammel" > Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. > To: > Message-ID: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6 at MikePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have installed a new MSI 865GM3-V motherboard in my computer. I downloaded (from another computer) 8.1 and installed. All went pretty well except some things don't work so well. The USB optical mouse is a bit flakey but the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the internet). I have tried several different internet connection settings within Firefox to no avail. Sound isn't working either. But my printer does! I have looked high and low for Linux drivers for this motherboard. All I can find are Win drivers. Any suggestions? I am about ready to give up and go back to XP. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/attachments/20090324/81a51791/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > I recently built a MSI board and there is where the problem lies. The drivers were not the proper drivers and the Tech service is some Indian reading from a computer screen so the answer with every communication was exactly the same. The problem is MSI and their down hill slide on quality. I tossed the brand new board in the trash and replaced it with a BioStar. Good luck and God bless. From tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu Tue Mar 24 16:23:01 2009 From: tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu (tommie ramirez-andujar) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:23:01 -0400 Subject: Print to PDF in Opera In-Reply-To: References: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, When i browse the net with Firefox and print to PDF there's no problem but when i try to do it with Opera it doesn't seem to work. ANy suggestions, Tommie -- Tomas Alberto Ramirez Andujar, MSc. Sistemas de Informaci'on y Redes CEJISOFT. Camaguey. Cuba From dcurtis at uniserve.com Tue Mar 24 16:28:29 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:28:29 -0400 Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090324122829.4e7c7445.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:55:24 +0900 (WST) Bret Busby wrote: > > The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? > > Thank you in anticipation. The next LTS is planned to be released a year from the end of this April. Numbered 10.04.1 http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle -- David Curtis From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Tue Mar 24 16:30:52 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:30:52 +0000 Subject: Print to PDF in Opera In-Reply-To: References: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C90ABC.8020104@gmail.com> tommie ramirez-andujar wrote: > Hi, > > When i browse the net with Firefox and print to PDF there's no problem but > when i try to do it with Opera it doesn't seem to work. > ANy suggestions, > Tommie How are you printing to PDF? What happens when you try to do it in Opera? -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From smoot at tic.com Tue Mar 24 17:11:22 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:11:22 -0700 Subject: bad path in bash In-Reply-To: References: <022401c9abe7$53c5d940$fb518bc0$@hopto.org> <49C7DAF7.7080600@carl-fh.com> <024c01c9abe9$65cbe240$3163a6c0$@hopto.org> <49C7DE5F.1070802@carl-fh.com> <025601c9abeb$bcbf2ec0$363d8c40$@hopto.org> Message-ID: <1237914682.28986.373.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 00:48 -0700, Sundar Nagarajan wrote: > Walton Hoops wrote: > > > Did you uninstall the existing MySQL and in the same shell install from > source? Could it be that the original MySQL was in /usr/bin/mysql and > you required a 'rehash' for bash to re-read the locations of commands in > the path? That does not explain why 'which mysql' returned > /usr/local/bin/mysql, or does it? Maybe which is an external command > that is spawned in a new subshell that creates a new hash of the > locations of commands in the path - and thus finds mysql in /usr/local/bin? 'which' likely does not use the shell command cache. To avoid the above behavior you could put this in you .profile shopt -s checkhash This makes the shell check the existence of a command's path as found in the cache. If the command does not exist it then does a full PATH search for the command. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 24 16:50:36 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:50:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Avi Greenbury wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> I KNOW it's deliberate policy at Dell to simply not support the machines >>> they sell - with Ubuntu or Windows. >> >> That has not been my experience. > > > > That has been my experience with 'personal' bought machines. > That has not been my experience with 'business' bought machines. > > The time is ripe here for a little Dell story. A while back my stepdaughter bought a Dell laptop. Within the warranty period it developed a problem. Dell told her to ship it back for them to diagnose. She did and Dell contacted her to say that it was biologically contaminated and they would go no farther and would ship it back to her via some method (which I forget) that is used for contaminated goods. Dell told her they found a *spider* inside the laptop. It made no difference that the guts of laptop was never opened while in her possession. As far as Dell was concerned that was the end of the story. They wound up sending it back regular mail and she had to get it repaired locally. I'm thinking about buying a laptop but it sure as hell won't be a Dell. -- Bob Holtzman A day without fusion is like, a day without sunshine If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 24 17:19:48 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:19:48 -0600 Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <20090324122829.4e7c7445.dcurtis@uniserve.com> References: <20090324122829.4e7c7445.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <20090324111948.1f5673b9@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:28:29 -0400 David Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:55:24 +0900 (WST) > Bret Busby wrote: > > > > > The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? > > > > Thank you in anticipation. > > The next LTS is planned to be released a year from the end of this > April. Numbered 10.04.1 > > http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle > I think that will be 10.04; 10.04.1 will be about 90 days after release -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From jw at raven.inka.de Tue Mar 24 17:37:15 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:37:15 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? Message-ID: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> Hello, I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so on. The same happens for the second line too. I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to exist in ubuntu's pppd. What happened to this option? 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I installed the updates and I still get: apt-get install kcalc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon Suggested packages: kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer The following NEW packages will be installed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 46.7MB of archives. After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From sabamoshe at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 19:07:58 2009 From: sabamoshe at gmail.com (Saba Moshe) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:07:58 +0200 Subject: Live CD on dual boot Message-ID: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> In my computer's BIOS CD is the first in the boot order. I was using LiveCDs of different disros to decide which of them will I install. Since I installed Ubuntu dual-boot with XP I lost the abilty to boot to any LiveCD. Is there an entry I can add to the grub file to enable me to choose a LiveCD boot? Thanks Saba Moshe -- Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 ,, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 19:08:07 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:08:07 -0400 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg White wrote: > > I installed the updates and I still get: > > apt-get install kcalc > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends > kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 > kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 > libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus > libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql > libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 > libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 > libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon > phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon > Suggested packages: > kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer > The following NEW packages will be installed: > gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends > kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 > kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 > libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus > libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql > libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 > libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 > libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon > phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon > 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 46.7MB of archives. > After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. > What is the output of $> sudo aptitude -f install -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 24 18:35:08 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:35:08 -0300 Subject: auto-mount cifs partition via samba References: <49C6E163.3070507@enabled.com> <1435953.Xd2UZFMutP@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7A473.70601@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28148700.bdXZDIuScr@cedar.serverforest.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Hubbard > wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Cron?  I suppose a Windows machine must broadcast _something_ when it >>> comes up, > {insert humour here - the possibilites are endless :-} Oops. :-) >> The other option would >> be to use autofs (apt-get autofs). Auto-fs waits until you try to read >> the remote mount to mount it. If you have a fast network it is pretty >> quick. > > It'll also drop unused mounts after a while if you like. Cool. I installed it, because I have the same need, but haven't tried it yet. -- derek From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 19:11:44 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:11:44 -0400 Subject: Live CD on dual boot In-Reply-To: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> References: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C93070.3080401@gmail.com> Saba Moshe wrote: > In my computer's BIOS CD is the first in the boot order. > > I was using LiveCDs of different disros to decide which of them will I > install. > > Since I installed Ubuntu dual-boot with XP I lost the abilty to boot to > any LiveCD. > > Is there an entry I can add to the grub file to enable me to choose a > LiveCD boot? > > Thanks > > Saba Moshe > > -- > Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 > Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 > ,, > > > > > The fact that your system is dual-booted should not matter when it comes to loading LiveCDs. I have been triple booted before and still able to load a LiveCD. Double check your BIOS and make sure that the CD is set to boot before the HDD. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 24 18:45:08 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:45:08 -0300 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C8996F.9030407@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <1286436.yIqDDFMxda@cedar.serverforest.com> Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > Alan E. Davis wrote: >> - set up a user "common" where a partition is mounted to >> /home/common/photos, or some such. >> - set up symlinks in each user's directory to folders that other >> users may be allowed to access > > - Creating a /public directory and then chmoding it to 777 > - Using filesystem ACLs: > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACL-OnByDefault > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FilePermissions > > PS: I dont understand _why_ Ubuntu documentation is behind an HTTPS > link... It forbids my squid to cache it... I had the same complaint. In my case, it prevents my satellite service from aggregating the requests, meaning I get an extra half-second latency for every image on a page. -- derek From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 19:19:23 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0400 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: Josef Wolf wrote: > Hello, > > I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of > one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first > line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so > on. The same happens for the second line too. > > I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign > a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to > exist in ubuntu's pppd. > > What happened to this option? Is there any other way to get stable > interface names in ubuntu? > Perhaps you are looking for ifrename? Do $> apt-cache show ifrename -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu Tue Mar 24 19:17:07 2009 From: tramirez at isp.cmw.rimed.cu (tommie ramirez-andujar) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:07 -0400 Subject: Print to PDF in Opera In-Reply-To: <49C90ABC.8020104@gmail.com> References: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49C90ABC.8020104@gmail.com> Message-ID: HI, It does not print the document, it stays as if it was printing it. But nothing happens, and there is no error notitication. Tommie On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:30:52 -0400, Avi Greenbury wrote: > tommie ramirez-andujar wrote: >> Hi, >> >> When i browse the net with Firefox and print to PDF there's no problem >> but >> when i try to do it with Opera it doesn't seem to work. >> ANy suggestions, >> Tommie > > How are you printing to PDF? What happens when you try to do it in Opera? > -- Tomas Alberto Ramirez Andujar, MSc. Sistemas de Informaci'on y Redes CEJISOFT. Camaguey. Cuba From pcguy11 at live.com Tue Mar 24 19:42:12 2009 From: pcguy11 at live.com (Greg White) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:42:12 -0500 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Greg White wrote: >> >> I installed the updates and I still get: >> >> apt-get install kcalc >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> The following extra packages will be installed: >> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >> kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >> Suggested packages: >> kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer >> The following NEW packages will be installed: >> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >> kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >> 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >> Need to get 46.7MB of archives. >> After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. >> > > > What is the output of > $> sudo aptitude -f install # aptitude -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8 – Now Available. Faster, safer, easier. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Tue Mar 24 19:51:47 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: timezone setting References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <328a5cf40903240846w453680b6p383330838c2de9bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:46:37 +0000, Nik N wrote: >> ... Well we used to call it [Greenwich] Mean Time. So just set the time >> to London England about and it will be right. > > (Well, my users might then conclude that the server is actually located > in Britain; this would definitely rub them the wrong way! :) > > As somebody else correctly noticed, if that was done, the issue of > "daylight saving" would again invalidate the idea of ALL geographically > dispersed but cooperating computers running on the same time. > Well, afaik the Linux kernel keeps the systemtime in UTC. This is then corrected by the value in /etc/timezone to the local time. I wonder, but it might be that when you delete/rename /etc/timezone the only known time in your computer might be utc, it will not know how to "correct" it to local time. Aart From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 24 20:06:40 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:06:40 -0700 Subject: File Name changes across Samba Message-ID: I've just found a rather odd issue with file names via Samba. System 1 (Hardy) has a file saved from a gmane.org news server and the file name is: Formulas in Writer table - bug?.eml System 2 (Intrepid) I open a samba share path to System 1 and view the folder where the above file is located. Instead of the file name being 'Formulas in Writer table - bug?.eml' the file is instead showing as 'FYL228~4.EML'. So I copy the file from System 1 to System 2, and sure enough, the file shows up on System 2 as 'FYL228~4.EML'. I copy that file back to System 1 and it shows up on that system as 'FYL228~4.EML'. Now I recognize that there are bound to be all sorts of issues with a file named 'Formulas in Writer table - bug?.eml'. But found it curious/odd that it would get changed to 'FYL228~4.EML' across samba. I renamed the file elimiting the '?' to: 'Formulas in Writer table - bug.eml' and now the file shows the same on both systems. So here's the question: anyone know why the '?' in the file name would cause samba to change to 'FYL228~4.EML'? From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 20:28:27 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:28:27 -0400 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg White wrote: >> Greg White wrote: >>> I installed the updates and I still get: >>> >>> apt-get install kcalc >>> Reading package lists... Done >>> Building dependency tree >>> Reading state information... Done >>> The following extra packages will be installed: >>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >>> kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >>> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >>> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >>> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >>> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >>> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >>> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >>> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >>> Suggested packages: >>> kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer >>> The following NEW packages will be installed: >>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >>> kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >>> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >>> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >>> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >>> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >>> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >>> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >>> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >>> 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >>> Need to get 46.7MB of archives. >>> After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. >>> >> >> What is the output of >> $> sudo aptitude -f install > > # aptitude -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > hmm ... perhaps you do not have the necessary libs installed for kcalc and they need to be brought in. But I do not understand the need to get gstreamer though. Do the following: $> sudo aptitude update $> sudo aptutude -f install and show what the output is. Next, try: $> sudo aptitude why gstreamer0.10-plugins-base $> sudo aptitude why libgvfscommon0 'why' should tell why a particular should be installed. And show the output. As a reference, on a Hardy system which doesn't have KDE on it, I get this: ~$ sudo aptitude -s install kcalc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Building tag database... Done The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libgmp3c2 liblua50 liblualib50 libqt3-mt The following NEW packages will be installed: kcalc kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libgmp3c2 liblua50 liblualib50 libqt3-mt 0 packages upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 73.7MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Would download/install/remove packages. And all this makes sense, they are all KDE related. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 24 20:42:05 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:42:05 -0400 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49C9459D.50903@gatech.edu> Nils Kassube wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little >> time but in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to >> the trash directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the >> files you sent there. > > Well, IMHO moving to the trash directory is something entirely different > than deleting stuff. So it seems the delete function is faulty. It's not faulty. It's a design choice. You can bypass Trash by pressing shift-delete (http://email.about.com/od/mozillatips/qt/et122801.htm0), or set it to empty trash automatically on exit . > Yes, I know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in > the first place if you want to delete mails? Because it is quite common to accidentally press delete. Matt Flaschen From smoot at tic.com Tue Mar 24 20:48:57 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:48:57 -0700 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <328a5cf40903240846w453680b6p383330838c2de9bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237927737.28986.573.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 19:51 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:46:37 +0000, Nik N wrote: > > >> ... Well we used to call it [Greenwich] Mean Time. So just set the time > >> to London England about and it will be right. > > > > (Well, my users might then conclude that the server is actually located > > in Britain; this would definitely rub them the wrong way! :) > > > > As somebody else correctly noticed, if that was done, the issue of > > "daylight saving" would again invalidate the idea of ALL geographically > > dispersed but cooperating computers running on the same time. > > > > Well, afaik the Linux kernel keeps the systemtime in UTC. This is then > corrected by the value in /etc/timezone to the local time. I wonder, but > it might be that when you delete/rename /etc/timezone the only known time > in your computer might be utc, it will not know how to "correct" it to > local time. All internal timestamps are kept in UTC. This has been the case since Unix was invented. All the timezone file does is display the time in whatever timezone you want with all the historic idiosyncracies of each timezone accounted for. The file /etc/localtime is what sets the local time information. It is a copy of one of the zoneinfo files found in /usr/share/zoneinfo. /etc/timezone has the relative pathname of the zoneinfo file currently in use. If you remove /etc/localtime, the timezone is set by default to UTC. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 24 20:56:21 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:56:21 -0400 Subject: File Name changes across Samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C948F5.2060409@gatech.edu> NoOp wrote: > So here's the question: anyone know why the '?' in the file name would > cause samba to change to 'FYL228~4.EML'? Not really, but it sounds like some quirk in a 8.3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename) algorithm. The SAMBA list (https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba) might give you a more definitive answer. Matt Flaschen From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 21:03:28 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:03:28 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, Message-ID: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, KDE user spending a week in Gnome. 1) When I configured the keyboard layouts for two languages, everything worked fine. After restarting the computer, the keyboard shortcut does not change layouts. However, it is properly configured already when I try to configure it in Keyboard Preferences -> Layouts. Furthermore, clicking in the indicator to switch languages does in fact change the language listed in the indicator, however, the typing is in English no matter which layout the indicator shows. 2) In what may be a related issue, Sticky Keys does not work after restarting the computer either, even though it is properly configured. 3) Is there no Krunner equivalent in Gnome? In KDE, the user can press Alt-F2 then type in the name of the program that he needs to run. I have installed Gnome Do but I cannot seem to bind it to a keyboard shortcut. 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it is not. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From anothermindbomb at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 22:00:57 2009 From: anothermindbomb at gmail.com (Steve Flynn) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:00:57 +0000 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8F858.1020006@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> <49C8F858.1020006@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <45391f280903241500j96b0a62xc6c5fe7db66c7147@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> [...] Yes, I >> know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash in >> the first place if you want to delete mails? > > It's a stupid inheritance from the Windows world. Not really correct there. Pine, which I used heavily in the early 90's used "mark as deleted". Prior to that, we had Foozle, April and Spot which all used a similar mechanism. I'm sure if I thought about it longer, there would be many more... Xmail comes to mind immediately on Vax VMS systems along with a program who's name I don 't recall on ICL VME machines. It's been quite common since the 1970's to use a similar mechanism so to decry it as a "stupid inherientance" is pretty much pissing on ones own ancestors. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From jw at raven.inka.de Tue Mar 24 22:11:28 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:11:28 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <20090324221128.GD26877@raven.wolf.lan> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 03:19:23PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > Josef Wolf wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of > > one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first > > line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so > > on. The same happens for the second line too. > > > > I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign > > a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to > > exist in ubuntu's pppd. > > > > What happened to this option? Is there any other way to get stable > > interface names in ubuntu? > > Perhaps you are looking for ifrename? Do > $> apt-cache show ifrename Thanks for the suggestion! Which repository contains this package? I have enabled universe and multiverse, but apt don't find it. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 22:21:56 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:21:56 -0600 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > Hi all, KDE user spending a week in Gnome. > > 1) When I configured the keyboard layouts for two languages, > everything worked fine. After restarting the computer, the keyboard > shortcut does not change layouts. However, it is properly configured > already when I try to configure it in Keyboard Preferences -> Layouts. > Furthermore, clicking in the indicator to switch languages does in > fact change the language listed in the indicator, however, the typing > is in English no matter which layout the indicator shows. > > 2) In what may be a related issue, Sticky Keys does not work after > restarting the computer either, even though it is properly configured. > > 3) Is there no Krunner equivalent in Gnome? In KDE, the user can press > Alt-F2 then type in the name of the program that he needs to run. I > have installed Gnome Do but I cannot seem to bind it to a keyboard > shortcut. > > 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the > two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the > desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount > of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. > Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it > is not. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks. > > Hi all you do is right click on the two window thing lower right and look at preferance and choose how many. I have mine set to 4 windows. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From sabamoshe at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 22:23:00 2009 From: sabamoshe at gmail.com (Saba Moshe) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:23:00 +0200 Subject: Live CD on dual boot In-Reply-To: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> References: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <262b9d920903241523q6ea22564x6781e3dbab2975b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:11:44 -0400 From: Dirk Freitag Subject: Re: Live CD on dual boot To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Message-ID: <49C93070.3080401 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Saba Moshe wrote: > In my computer's BIOS CD is the first in the boot order. > > I was using LiveCDs of different disros to decide which of them will I > install. > > Since I installed Ubuntu dual-boot with XP I lost the abilty to boot to > any LiveCD. > > Is there an entry I can add to the grub file to enable me to choose a > LiveCD boot? > > Thanks > > Saba Moshe > > -- > Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 > Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 > ,, > > > > > The fact that your system is dual-booted should not matter when it comes to loading LiveCDs. I have been triple booted before and still able to load a LiveCD. Double check your BIOS and make sure that the CD is set to boot before the HDD. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] >>> Thank you Dirk for your prompt note, so I thought. I double checked it before posting, and also searched for relevant postings in Ubuntu's forums and on Google, but found nothing relevant. Facts are: Cd is first in BIOS' boot order, there is a Live CD in the CD tray, but it boots to grub's boot menu. I assumed that if I add to the grub file an entry with the CD as target, I'll be able to choose it from the boot-menu. But it probably needs mounting first the cdrom and I am too newbie to create this entry by myself. Any lead will be appreciated. Saba Moshe -- Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 ,, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Res wrote: >> >> Oh I've given back many times over the years to several projects, but i'm >> not a chest beater so dont feel the need to add them all to things like my >> sig or advertise it, i've always been and will be, a "quiet achiever" > > Given the number of times I remember you mentioning this "casually" on > the list...I think you just moved from beating your chest to tooting a > horn and consider yourself better than everyone else because you don't > beat your chest. > > You also like popping in here to rile things up and belittle others > here..."helping newbies off list so I don't have to beat my chest, > helping more people than any of you ever have"...while never just > packing up your things and leaving the list you seem to despise. > > You are sounding more like the guy that sits there telling everyone what > a nice guy he is and wondering why women don't go for him. If he's a > nice guy...why does he need to tell everyone? > >>> Not our problem if you are bored, go back to the life you mentioned. ;-) >> >> I did, right after I posted that message lol. > > And then came back here to tell everyone just how much you didn't care > about this list... > > *shrug* not that it matters. I'm sure you'll have some witty and > venomous reply anyway. But hey...on the webbertubes, whatever floats > yer' boat, right? > > -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From lists at xdna.net Tue Mar 24 22:38:41 2009 From: lists at xdna.net (Cameron Hutchison) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:38:41 -0000 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <1734.49c960f1.68165@getafix.xdna.net> Josef Wolf writes: >What happened to this option? Is there any other way to get stable >[ppp] interface names in ubuntu? The pppd config has a "unit" directive (see the pppd man page) to specify which number to use after the "ppp" in the interface name. From lists at xdna.net Tue Mar 24 22:39:33 2009 From: lists at xdna.net (Cameron Hutchison) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:39:33 -0000 Subject: Common folder between two users (same machine) References: <7bef1f890903240113jf59c99dh83b81a7b3cb9cd52@mail.gmail.com> <49C89774.6090108@Gravier.org> <574d6c740903240129w429f9718n4e6787d47e00512c@mail.gmail.com> <20090324085649.GA14615@v-shell-1> <49C8A578.2060109@lab.vectoris.fr> <7bef1f890903240401w32de4bbg221657ffb02371e@mail.gmail.com> <49C8CDA7.5060806@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <1747.49c96125.29cc5@getafix.xdna.net> "Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)" writes: >Alan E. Davis wrote: >> [...] So, >> given that I can assign a bookmark to /public or /usr/local/common, or >> whatever, can I mount the directory to both user's ~/ (home) directory? >You wont mount a directory, but a partition instead. >Take a separate partition and mount it everwhere you want. You can mount a directory - its called a bind mount. Have a look at the --bind option in the mount(8) man page. From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 24 22:45:38 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:45:38 -0500 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> Robert Holtzman said: > The time is ripe here for a little Dell story. A while back my > stepdaughter bought a Dell laptop. Within the warranty period it > developed a problem. Dell told her to ship it back for them to > diagnose. She did and Dell contacted her to say that it was > biologically contaminated and they would go no farther and would ship > it back to her via some method (which I forget) that is used for > contaminated goods. Dell told her they found a *spider* inside the > laptop. It made no difference that the guts of laptop was never > opened while in her possession. As far as Dell was concerned that was > the end of the story. They wound up sending it back regular mail and > she had to get it repaired locally. > > I'm thinking about buying a laptop but it sure as hell won't be a > Dell. And another: Elder Daughter went away to college with a nice, new, top-of-the-line, all-decked-out Dell laptop with an extended, on-site, next-day service warranty because she was going to be over a thousand miles away. The whole package set me back around US $4,000.00. By her second year it was becoming dicey but it made it through till summer break and died shortly after she came home. Dell sent a tech four days after the first call. He changed out the screen and hard drive, left with the box still not working. The next visit, a different tech a week later (phone calls from Daughter daily asking about our next day service), changed the screen and hard drive and left saying he would have to seek advice from his superior.... Much more of the same while a month goes by. Constant phone calls. Finally I call, telling them that I am sending the unit back as defective per the agreement which said essentially that three attempted fixes and they'll replace it. OK, they claim. Another month, weekly calls since we need wait for shipping. (they wouldn't ship the replacement first) Since time was of the essence to get Daughter back to school with a computer, we went and bought her a HP mid-line unit and away she went. Dell /finally/ shipped a laptop with a smaller hard drive, no floppy (the old one wouldn't fit the new bay), no zip drive (the old one wouldn't fit the new bay), no extra battery (the old ones wouldn't fit the new bay), and less RAM than the original. The reason, they claimed, was that we were getting a significant processor upgrade. They /did/ ship an extra DVD drive although why one would need two I don't know. I am in the market for three new laptops and two new desktops. Dell won't be getting a call. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Tue Mar 24 23:07:36 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:07:36 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ Message-ID: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Hi list, I notice an annoying problem recently. Not sure when it started happening, probably when I upgraded to 8.10, that kind of time frame. Problem: my screen often goes blank (as if it were in deep stand by mode), even though I have disabled the screen saver, and power management is set to never take any kind of power saving action. I also notice that it does it randomly. For example, one day it may never go blank, and other days, it may go blank 3 times in just one hour... basically when it feels like it. It's especially annoying because my monitor is of the CRT type, so when I wiggle the mouse to wak eit up, it takes significant time to "wake up"/warm up again, it's not an instant thing like I guess it is on LCD screens. Anybody experiencing the same ? Any solution (other than programatically wiggling the mouse of course) ? -- Vince From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 23:19:59 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:19:59 -0400 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: <20090324221128.GD26877@raven.wolf.lan> References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <20090324221128.GD26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: Josef Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 03:19:23PM -0400, H.S. wrote: >> Josef Wolf wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of >>> one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first >>> line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so >>> on. The same happens for the second line too. >>> >>> I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign >>> a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to >>> exist in ubuntu's pppd. >>> >>> What happened to this option? Is there any other way to get stable >>> interface names in ubuntu? >> Perhaps you are looking for ifrename? Do >> $> apt-cache show ifrename > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > Which repository contains this package? I have enabled universe and > multiverse, but apt don't find it. > er .. this is weird. It appears to have been in Gutsy (in Universe) and not in more recent Ubuntu versions. It is in Debian though. So if you find no other option, you could always add a Debian repo and set up /etc/apt/preferences such that only that package is pulled from Debian repos and none other. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From turf.ph at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 23:37:29 2009 From: turf.ph at gmail.com (AC Perdon) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:37:29 +0800 Subject: Hacking In-Reply-To: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <999500.22973.qm@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161976c20903241637l2a0c04f8m46201fd4b0194ad2@mail.gmail.com> also read art of deception by kevin Mitnick and Stealing-the-network_How-to-own-a-continent by 131ah, Russ Rogers, Jay Beale et al., Cause I think you just what to know how to secure your system. But you can also be a hacker just love what your doing and think out of the box and share it to the world what you have discovered. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM, jiten jha wrote: > Dear friends, > how can i became good hacker for protect against > cracker tell me how can i became good hacker in my life. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- AC Perdon Registered GNU/Linux User #340122 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 00:33:47 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:33:47 -0700 Subject: File Name changes across Samba In-Reply-To: <49C948F5.2060409@gatech.edu> References: <49C948F5.2060409@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On 03/24/2009 01:56 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> So here's the question: anyone know why the '?' in the file name would >> cause samba to change to 'FYL228~4.EML'? > > Not really, but it sounds like some quirk in a 8.3 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename) algorithm. The SAMBA list > (https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba) might give you a more > definitive answer. > > Matt Flaschen > Thanks. I'll have a look & see what I can find out. This took me a bit by surprise as it's the first such file name that I've left as is with all the spaces and the '?' mark. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 00:54:06 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:54:06 -0700 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> Message-ID: On 03/24/2009 03:45 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Robert Holtzman said: >> I'm thinking about buying a laptop but it sure as hell won't be a >> Dell. > > And another: > Elder Daughter went away to college with a nice, new, top-of-the-line, > all-decked-out Dell laptop with an extended, on-site, next-day service > warranty because she was going to be over a thousand miles away. The > whole package set me back around US $4,000.00. Adopt me, please! :-) For that you could have bought her around 4-5 new quality 'college' laptops & tell her that all but the hard drives are disposable if they die... From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 25 01:07:17 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:07:17 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/24/2009 03:45 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >> Robert Holtzman said: > >>> I'm thinking about buying a laptop but it sure as hell won't be a >>> Dell. >> And another: >> Elder Daughter went away to college with a nice, new, top-of-the-line, >> all-decked-out Dell laptop with an extended, on-site, next-day service >> warranty because she was going to be over a thousand miles away. The >> whole package set me back around US $4,000.00. > > Adopt me, please! :-) > > For that you could have bought her around 4-5 new quality 'college' > laptops & tell her that all but the hard drives are disposable if they > die... > > > some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND pay dearly for it to boot. steve From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 25 01:36:10 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:36:10 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Res wrote: > Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. > > "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to > show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your > actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to > yourself. Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end up getting pissed off :-) From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 25 01:55:10 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:55:10 -0500 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <20090324205510.20695b7b@WizardsTower> NoOp said: > For that you could have bought her around 4-5 new quality 'college' > laptops & tell her that all but the hard drives are disposable if they > die... Don't I know it; I've never paid more than less than[1] half that for a computer before! But it was for a reward as much as just a really good (or so we thought) machine for 4 future years. Who would have guessed that it would cost more than a thousand dollars per semester? Of course, laptops were more expensive in general then. [1] I couldn't resist using that phrase, it is so.. stupid-looking. Is it understandable? Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 25 01:57:06 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:57:06 -0500 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <20090324205706.083d614e@WizardsTower> Steve Reilly said: > some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. > my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of > $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special > software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using > what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND > pay dearly for it to boot. > > steve Did your niece go to Rollins College in Orlando, Florida, too? That sounds so familiar. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 25 02:02:44 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:02:44 -0400 Subject: Need assistance In-Reply-To: <20090324205706.083d614e@WizardsTower> References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> <20090324205706.083d614e@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49C990C4.1030500@roadrunner.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Steve Reilly said: >> some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. >> my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of >> $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special >> software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using >> what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND >> pay dearly for it to boot. >> >> steve > > Did your niece go to Rollins College in Orlando, Florida, too? That > sounds so familiar. > > Cybe R. Wizard haha. syracuse. still there, grad school next year. steve From niknot at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 02:20:20 2009 From: niknot at gmail.com (Nik N) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:20:20 +0000 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1237927737.28986.573.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <328a5cf40903240846w453680b6p383330838c2de9bc@mail.gmail.com> <1237927737.28986.573.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <328a5cf40903241920u3a935301xd8d8cb78edff9889@mail.gmail.com> I said nothing about how Unix/Linux keeps time (including file-system, which is, in this context, part of the OS), I was talking about the applications, which, as a rule, simply use the local time. The issue is, at least the way I see it, simply this: should the Ubuntu server installer allow the selection of UTC as the server's local time. I believe it should. All other Linux distribution installers I ever used provide this. Nik From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 02:27:17 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:27:17 -0400 Subject: File Name changes across Samba In-Reply-To: References: <49C948F5.2060409@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:33 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/24/2009 01:56 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> NoOp wrote: >> >>> So here's the question: anyone know why the '?' in the file name would >>> cause samba to change to 'FYL228~4.EML'? >> >> Not really, but it sounds like some quirk in a 8.3 >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename) algorithm.  The SAMBA list >> (https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba) might give you a more >> definitive answer. >> > > Thanks. I'll have a look & see what I can find out. This took me a bit > by surprise as it's the first such file name that I've left as is with > all the spaces and the '?' mark. I've seen similar sharing Mac created files - they've got slashes or colons in them and Samba mangles 'em like that. Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 02:36:22 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:36:22 -0400 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > Problem: my screen often goes blank (as if it were in deep stand by > mode), even though I have disabled the screen saver, and power > management is set to never take any kind of power saving action. stupid suggestion - check VGA cable is firmly seated.... Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 02:41:12 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:41:12 -0400 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Hi all, KDE user spending a week in Gnome. > 3) Is there no Krunner equivalent in Gnome? In KDE, the user can press > Alt-F2 then type in the name of the program that he needs to run. I > have installed Gnome Do but I cannot seem to bind it to a keyboard > shortcut. alt-f2 is a gnome default too - should come with the panel for free... works everywhere I've tried it. Perhaps related to your keyboard issues? Gnome-Do is Windows Key and Space Bar here by default (I haven't tried to reassign it) > 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the > two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the > desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount > of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. > Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it > is not. What am I doing wrong? Do you have a bunch of Compiz stuff running and overrulling the regular defaults? Try going back to no effects for a second and see if your desktop applet and alt-f2 start working. Brian From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 02:47:45 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:47:45 -0300 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Hi all, KDE user spending a week in Gnome. >> 3) Is there no Krunner equivalent in Gnome? In KDE, the user can press >> Alt-F2 then type in the name of the program that he needs to run. I >> have installed Gnome Do but I cannot seem to bind it to a keyboard >> shortcut. > > alt-f2 is a gnome default too - should come with the panel for free... >  works everywhere I've tried it.  Perhaps related to your keyboard > issues? > > Gnome-Do is Windows Key and Space Bar here by default (I haven't tried > to reassign it) > >> 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the >> two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the >> desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount >> of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. >> Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it >> is not. What am I doing wrong? > > > Do you have a bunch of Compiz stuff running and overrulling the > regular defaults? Try going back to no effects for a second and see if > your desktop applet and alt-f2 start working. > > Brian Same problem here with Workspace Switcher (8.10 i386), setting visual effects from normal to none re-enables managing. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From pcguy11 at live.com Wed Mar 25 03:13:10 2009 From: pcguy11 at live.com (Greg White) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:13:10 -0500 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> Greg White wrote: >>>> I installed the updates and I still get: >>>> >>>> apt-get install kcalc >>>> Reading package lists... Done >>>> Building dependency tree >>>> Reading state information... Done >>>> The following extra packages will be installed: >>>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >>>> kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >>>> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >>>> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >>>> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >>>> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >>>> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >>>> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >>>> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >>>> Suggested packages: >>>> kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer >>>> The following NEW packages will be installed: >>>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends >>>> kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 >>>> kdelibs5-data libaa1 libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >>>> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 libqt4-dbus >>>> libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql >>>> libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >>>> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 >>>> libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon >>>> phonon-backend-gstreamer qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >>>> 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >>>> Need to get 46.7MB of archives. >>>> After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. >>>> >>> >>> What is the output of >>> $> sudo aptitude -f install >> >> # aptitude -f install >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Reading extended state information >> Initializing package states... Done >> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. >> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Reading extended state information >> Initializing package states... Done >> > > hmm ... perhaps you do not have the necessary libs installed for kcalc > and they need to be brought in. But I do not understand the need to get > gstreamer though. Do the following: > $> sudo aptitude update > $> sudo aptutude -f install > > and show what the output is. > > Next, try: > $> sudo aptitude why gstreamer0.10-plugins-base > $> sudo aptitude why libgvfscommon0 > > 'why' should tell why a particular should be installed. And show the output. > > As a reference, on a Hardy system which doesn't have KDE on it, I get this: > ~$ sudo aptitude -s install kcalc > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a > libavahi-qt3-1 libgmp3c2 liblua50 liblualib50 libqt3-mt > The following NEW packages will be installed: > kcalc kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a > libavahi-qt3-1 libgmp3c2 liblua50 liblualib50 libqt3-mt > 0 packages upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 73.7MB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] > Would download/install/remove packages. > > > And all this makes sense, they are all KDE related. Hit http://repo.offensive-security.com binary/ Release.gpg Ign http://repo.offensive-security.com binary/ Translation-en_US Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Translation-en_US Hit http://repo.offensive-security.com binary/ Release Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release.gpg Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_US Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release.gpg Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Translation-en_US Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release.gpg Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Translation-en_US Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release Hit http://repo.offensive-security.com binary/ Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Packages Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Packages Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Sources Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Sources Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Packages Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Sources Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Sources Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Packages Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Sources Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Packages Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main Sources Reading package lists... Done # aptutude -f install bash: aptutude: command not found # aptitude -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done # aptitude why gstreamer0.10-plugins-base i qtparted Depends gksu | kdebase-bin | kdebase-runtime | sux p kdebase-runtime Depends phonon (> 4:4.2.0) p phonon Depends phonon-backend-gstreamer | phonon-backend p phonon-backend-gstreamer Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-base # aptitude why libgvfscommon0 i fvwm-crystal Recommends audacious | mpd | cdcd | quodlibet p quodlibet Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (>= 0.10.3) p gstreamer0.10-plugins-base Recommends gvfs p gvfs Depends libgvfscommon0 _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From hs.samix at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 03:29:15 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:29:15 -0400 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg White wrote: > # aptutude -f install > bash: aptutude: command not found > # aptitude -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > > # aptitude why gstreamer0.10-plugins-base > i qtparted Depends gksu | kdebase-bin | kdebase-runtime | sux > p kdebase-runtime Depends phonon (> 4:4.2.0) > p phonon Depends phonon-backend-gstreamer | phonon-backend > p phonon-backend-gstreamer Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-base Let's take this. This shows a chain that will lead to installation of gstreamer0.10-plugins-base. So this is going like this: kdebase-runtime # aptitude why libgvfscommon0 > i fvwm-crystal Recommends audacious | mpd | cdcd | quodlibet > p quodlibet Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (>= 0.10.3) > p gstreamer0.10-plugins-base Recommends gvfs > p gvfs Depends libgvfscommon0 > And since you already need gstreamer0.10-plugins-base, the above shows that it depends on gvfs which in turn depends on libgvfscommon0, hence you need libgvfscommon0 too. If you want, you can confirm this way why you need all those packages for kcalc. So, it looks like you need to install all this stuff to get kcalc. What I reported in an earlier post about my case of installing kcalc was Hardy BTW. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 03:45:20 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:45:20 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/24/2009 11:10 AM, Greg White wrote: >>> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded. >> >>That's it! Do the upgrade of the packages standing by. Use "sudo >>aptitude -f install". Then try installing kcalc again. This time you >>will get only kcalc. >> >> >>> @NoOp: >>> I don't use gnome. I use KDE. It has been working fine until now. >> >>Doesn't matter if you use it or not. If there is anything Gnome related >>installed, its related package will continue to be upgraded. >> >> >>> Does kcalc really need the kdebase-runtime? >> >>If the information shown by apt-cache says so, then yes. > > I installed the updates and I still get: Is there a reason why you can't keep this in the original thread? If you are concerned with all of the dependencies, file a bug via launchpad. You've already been provided information on how to do that. I have installed kcalc on Gnome (both Hardy and Intrepid) without issue. Can't say that I find it worth doing so - I wasn't impressed so I uninstalled it immediately after installing & testing. From bret at busby.net Wed Mar 25 03:54:36 2009 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:54:36 +0900 (WST) Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <20090324111948.1f5673b9@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090324122829.4e7c7445.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090324111948.1f5673b9@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:19:48 -0600 > From: Charlie Kravetz > Reply-To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:28:29 -0400 > David Curtis wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:55:24 +0900 (WST) >> Bret Busby wrote: >> >>> >>> The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? >>> >>> Thank you in anticipation. >> >> The next LTS is planned to be released a year from the end of this >> April. Numbered 10.04.1 >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle >> > > I think that will be 10.04; 10.04.1 will be about 90 days after release > > If 9.04 is not an LTS release, and it would thence be logical that upgrade from 8.10 will be to 9.04, as 8.04 will be being supported and updated after support for 8.10 has ceased (or so I believe), will a time come, when 8.10 will be able to be upgraded to 8.04? I ask this, because, after having installed 8.10, when it should have been 8.04 that I should have installed on a computer, due to 8.04 being the LTS release, I want to find how to replace 8.10 with an LTS release without having to lose the settings that the system now has (and all of the data such as sent email messages), without having to wait another year for the next LTS release. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... From dfox94085 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 03:56:20 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:56:20 -0700 Subject: [long post] Compiling gthumb with RAW support or why is it looking in all the wrong places In-Reply-To: <20090323132807.e13ec912.spam@buebo.de> References: <20090323132807.e13ec912.spam@buebo.de> Message-ID: <359a3c580903242056v785c033bl4ee9921fa43d82bb@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/23 Felix 'buebo' Kakrow : > So far so good, but when I try to start gthumb it errors out: > > mfk at sysiphus:~/src/gthumb-2.10.11$ gthumb > gthumb: error while loading shared libraries: libgthumb.so: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory I expect that you are running the binary in /usr/bin, and not the binary in /usr/local/bin. Assuming your path specifies /usr/local/bin, does it come before the other ones, or after /usr/bin? That would affect the outcome. Sometimes bash doesn't always immediately notice that there is a new binary in $PATH, and there should be a 'rehash' command that you can run so that subsequent invocations of gthumb bring up the locally-compiled version rather than the one that is 'stock' (i.e., /usr/bin). You can get into trouble when you install versions of the same software manually alongside stock versions of the software. But of course, there are times when you need or want to do this (one example: SVN ffmpeg vs "stock" ubuntu ffmpeg). But I recommend against symlinking libraries across /usr/lib & /usr/local/lib. That's guaranteed to cause breakage. There are two versions of the libraries (in some cases, just adding extra features, from one to the other, or the ABI is changed somewhere) and the result is that the binary is expecting a particular symbol in the libraries and is not able to find it. If you symlink, then /usr/bin/gthumb will never work right, if at all, and the smarter choice would be to remove gthumb via the package manager (assuming of course, that any dependencies it relies on aren't broken, or important packages removed when you do the package removal). Then if it is removed cleanly, then you'll just be using your locally compiled version, but then you lose any tracking for that package from the packaging system. You might find that filing a wishlist bug against gthumb telling them you want raw support is a better choice. I don't know the package well enough and don't do much work with cameras (mostly I use digikam) so am not sure if raw support requires libraries that aren't DFSG-free (or the equivalent in Ubuntu) -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 04:07:14 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:07:14 -0300 Subject: uninstalling ubuntu In-Reply-To: <6b6fc8970903240549k615b9a8bpb3ebb6282724f0e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b6fc8970903240549k615b9a8bpb3ebb6282724f0e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/24 Paulo Baptista : > Hi > > My name is Paulo Baptista > I've recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop using a dual-boot system with > Vista Home Premium. > But now I realize that I made a mistake, because I'm not having the time or > the pacience to learn how to use Ubuntu. > So my question is, how can i uninstall Ubuntu, leaving my Vista completely > intact and regaining the space the Ubuntu partition took??? > > Thanks to any friend that helps me with this. > > Ps. Please email me to my account paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > This subject has been discussed thoroughly. Please check the following thread for solutions: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/177331.html -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From conover at rahul.net Wed Mar 25 04:33:32 2009 From: conover at rahul.net (John Conover) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:33:32 -0700 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? Message-ID: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, only size is different. Is there a 2 gig limit? Thanks, John -- John Conover, conover at rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 04:34:23 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:34:23 -0300 Subject: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: <20090324122829.4e7c7445.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <20090324111948.1f5673b9@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:19:48 -0600 >> From: Charlie Kravetz >> Reply-To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" >>     >> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: Question about upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.04 >> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:28:29 -0400 >> David Curtis wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:55:24 +0900 (WST) >>> Bret Busby wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The question is this; is Ubuntu 9.04 to be an LTS version of Ubuntu? >>>> >>>> Thank you in anticipation. >>> >>> The next LTS is planned to be released a year from the end of this >>> April. Numbered 10.04.1 >>> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle >>> >> >> I think that will be 10.04; 10.04.1 will be about 90 days after release >> >> > > If 9.04 is not an LTS release, and it would thence be logical that > upgrade from 8.10 will be to 9.04, as 8.04 will be being supported and > updated after support for 8.10 has ceased (or so I believe), will a time > come, when 8.10 will be able to be upgraded to 8.04? > > I ask this, because, after having installed 8.10, when it should have > been 8.04 that I should have installed on a computer, due to 8.04 being > the LTS release, I want to find how to replace 8.10 with an LTS release > without having to lose the settings that the system now has (and all of > the data such as sent email messages), without having to wait another > year for the next LTS release. > > Thank you in anticipation. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .............. From: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download "Ubuntu 8.10 Desktop (the latest version): Includes the latest enhancements and is maintained until 2010 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until April 2011 – ideal for large deployments." The fact that LTS will be supported for a long time doesn't mean it will have "the latest enhancements", just the essential adjustments. If you need a well tested and conservative system choose LTS. If you want the most recent updates (and sometimes a little bit of trouble) , go for the state of the art, last non-LTS version. (What kind of problems are you facing with 8.10 to want to downgrade to 8.04.1?) (And by the way, AFAICT there's no downgrading path, you will need to perform a new install. If your /home was installed on an independent partition it will be easier for you to preserve your personal data) -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 04:50:26 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:50:26 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903242150q31b35f36ke5e7fb5e845a849a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/25 Brian McKee > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Vincent Trouilliez > wrote: > > Problem: my screen often goes blank (as if it were in deep stand by > > mode), even though I have disabled the screen saver, and power > > management is set to never take any kind of power saving action. > Same for me. My settings are: Activate screensaver when computer is inactive: No Let computer sleep when inactive for…: Never Let the screen sleep when computer been inactive for…: Never Screen luminance: 100% (Tried to translate my settings from Swedish) > > > stupid suggestion - check VGA cable is firmly seated.... > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoot at tic.com Wed Mar 25 04:52:08 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:52:08 -0700 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: <1237956728.8298.162.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:33 -0700, John Conover wrote: > I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, > only size is different. > > Is there a 2 gig limit? I do not think there is a limit. I have mounted 8iB thumb drives. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From conover at rahul.net Wed Mar 25 05:10:46 2009 From: conover at rahul.net (John Conover) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:10:46 -0700 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: <1237956728.8298.162.camel@smoot.tic.com> References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> <1237956728.8298.162.camel@smoot.tic.com> Message-ID: <20090325051046.29930.qmail@rahul.net> Smoot Carl-Mitchell writes: > On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:33 -0700, John Conover wrote: > > I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, > > only size is different. > > > > Is there a 2 gig limit? > > I do not think there is a limit. I have mounted 8iB thumb drives. Thx., that's what I wanted to know. John -- John Conover, conover at rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ From owen.townend at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 05:25:47 2009 From: owen.townend at gmail.com (Owen Townend) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:25:47 +1100 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: 2009/3/25 John Conover : > > I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, > only size is different. > > Is there a 2 gig limit? > >   Thanks, > >   John I currently have a 16 gig usb thumb drive plugged in here without issue, so it must be something else. What error messages do you get if you try to mount it from the command line? N.B. One thing that's common: NTFS formatted drives that aren't unmounted cleanly will refuse to mount unless forced or mounted/removed from a windows machine cheers, Owen. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 05:47:28 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:47:28 -0300 Subject: Live CD on dual boot In-Reply-To: <262b9d920903241523q6ea22564x6781e3dbab2975b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <262b9d920903241207x3caa4b70h263909865277141b@mail.gmail.com> <262b9d920903241523q6ea22564x6781e3dbab2975b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/24 Saba Moshe : > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:11:44 -0400 > From: Dirk Freitag > Subject: Re: Live CD on dual boot > To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions" >        > > Message-ID: <49C93070.3080401 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Saba Moshe wrote: >> In my computer's BIOS CD is the first in the boot order. >> >> I was using LiveCDs of different disros to decide which of them will I >> install. >> >> Since I installed Ubuntu dual-boot with XP I lost the abilty to boot to >> any LiveCD. >> >> Is there an entry I can add to the grub file to enable me to choose a >> LiveCD boot? >> >> Thanks >> >> Saba Moshe >> >> -- >> Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 >> Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 >> ,, >> >> >> >> >> > > The fact that your system is dual-booted should not matter when it comes > to loading LiveCDs.  I have been triple booted before and still able to > load a LiveCD.  Double check your BIOS and make sure that the CD is set > to boot before the HDD. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244          [http://counter.li.org/] > >>>> > > Thank you Dirk for your prompt note, so I thought. > > I double checked it before posting, and also searched for relevant postings > in Ubuntu's forums and on Google, but found nothing relevant. Facts are: Cd > is first in BIOS' boot order, there is a Live CD in the CD tray, but it > boots to grub's boot menu. > > I assumed that if I add to the grub file an entry with the CD as target, > I'll be able to choose it from the boot-menu. But it probably needs mounting > first the cdrom and I am too newbie to create this entry by myself. > > Any lead will be appreciated. > > Saba Moshe Once BIOS is set to CD first, it doesn't matter what you have in your HD or if you even have a HD. Does it happens with other bootable CDs you might have? Do you have more than a single CD or DVD unit? Have you tried setting your BIOS to none HDs? -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From waleed.harbi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 06:13:21 2009 From: waleed.harbi at gmail.com (Waleed Harbi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:13:21 +0300 Subject: uninstalling ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <6b6fc8970903240549k615b9a8bpb3ebb6282724f0e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I suggest the following steps: 1. In Vista write in RUN box > compmgmt.msc > Disk Management > Format Ubuntu partition. 2. Reboot your laptop. 3. You will see black screen, do not worry this issue in MBR, you just need fix the MBR then NO need for reinstall Vista. Below I sorted the links to fix the MBR but you need Vista CD/DVD and Ubuntu CD/DVD: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486394&highlight=remove+dual+boot&page=2" *strydermed*" , http://www.winvistatips.com/fix-mbr-a116.php or Just the following command in DOS: *bootrec.exe /fixmbr bootrec.exe /fixboot* 4. *Backup your data before you start :) * Good luck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yours, Waleed Harbi If you want your goals to come true, don't sleep. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > 2009/3/24 Paulo Baptista : > > Hi > > > > My name is Paulo Baptista > > I've recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop using a dual-boot system with > > Vista Home Premium. > > But now I realize that I made a mistake, because I'm not having the time > or > > the pacience to learn how to use Ubuntu. > > So my question is, how can i uninstall Ubuntu, leaving my Vista > completely > > intact and regaining the space the Ubuntu partition took??? > > > > Thanks to any friend that helps me with this. > > > > Ps. Please email me to my account paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-users mailing list > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > > This subject has been discussed thoroughly. > > Please check the following thread for solutions: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/177331.html > > > > > > -- > Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil > skype: lmnicolosi1 > Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W > Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zaneergm at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 06:15:21 2009 From: zaneergm at gmail.com (zaneer mohamed) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:45:21 +0530 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <280ae7220903242315s1d3267b3i5e3f34a639c2eb01@mail.gmail.com> From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 06:52:38 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:52:38 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> > Hi all you do is right click on the two window thing lower right and > look at preferance and choose how many. I have mine set to 4 windows. > Thank you Karl. The only preferences that I have for the Desktop Switcher is for how many columns, and how many rows. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 06:55:18 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:55:18 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903242355l387f505bgb105603a8a69a9f6@mail.gmail.com> > alt-f2 is a gnome default too - should come with the panel for free... For some reason it is not working here. Maybe I have not installed the full Gnome desktop, as this is Gnome on a Kubuntu installation. > works everywhere I've tried it. Perhaps related to your keyboard > issues? > Sounds likely! > Gnome-Do is Windows Key and Space Bar here by default (I haven't tried > to reassign it) > Doesn't work here. I suspect that something is seriously borked. > Do you have a bunch of Compiz stuff running and overrulling the > regular defaults? Try going back to no effects for a second and see if > your desktop applet and alt-f2 start working. > Compiz is running, but stopping Compiz does not change the situation. I suspect that I may have a partial or failed install, I will see what I can do about that. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 06:56:07 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:56:07 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903242356m251a1710r5ceea10b6118176e@mail.gmail.com> > > Do you have a bunch of Compiz stuff running and overrulling the > > regular defaults? Try going back to no effects for a second and see if > > your desktop applet and alt-f2 start working. > > Same problem here with Workspace Switcher (8.10 i386), setting visual > effects from normal to none re-enables managing. > For me it doesn't help, can someone else confirm or deny the situation? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 07:08:43 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:08:43 -0300 Subject: uninstalling ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <6b6fc8970903240549k615b9a8bpb3ebb6282724f0e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/25 Waleed Harbi : > Hello, > I suggest the following steps: > > In Vista write in RUN box > compmgmt.msc > Disk Management > Format Ubuntu > partition. > Reboot your laptop. > You will see black screen, do not worry this issue in MBR, you just need fix > the MBR then NO need for reinstall Vista. Below I sorted the links to fix > the MBR but you need Vista CD/DVD and Ubuntu CD/DVD: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392 > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486394&highlight=remove+dual+boot&page=2 > "strydermed" , http://www.winvistatips.com/fix-mbr-a116.php or Just the > following command in DOS: > > bootrec.exe /fixmbr > bootrec.exe /fixboot > > Backup your data before you start :) > >  Good luck > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yours, > Waleed Harbi > > >> 2009/3/24 Paulo Baptista : >> > Hi >> > >> > My name is Paulo Baptista >> > I've recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop using a dual-boot system >> > with >> > Vista Home Premium. >> > But now I realize that I made a mistake, because I'm not having the time >> > or >> > the pacience to learn how to use Ubuntu. >> > So my question is, how can i uninstall Ubuntu, leaving my Vista >> > completely >> > intact and regaining the space the Ubuntu partition took??? >> > >> > Thanks to any friend that helps me with this. >> > >> > Ps. Please email me to my account paulocamposbaptista at gmail.com Paulo, So sorry, I gave you the wrong thread link, too much talk and no help at all, and the gal didn't even have any Windows installed any more. Any of the links provided by Waleed Harbi may help you. It is only a matter of restoring the original MBR using the Vista commands. However I suggest deleting the Ubuntu partitions after restoring the MBR, not before, in the worst case will still have a functional OS. In case your Vista can't erase the unwanted partitions I guess this can be easily accomplished by the partition manager in the Ubuntu Live CD. I don't know if Vista alone can restore the original partition size, perhaps you'll have to use a partition manager (after backing up your system). (Waleed, thanks for your better answer but please bottom post and no HTML) -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 25 08:48:08 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:48:08 +0100 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: Owen Townend wrote: > 2009/3/25 John Conover : >> I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, >> only size is different. >> >> Is there a 2 gig limit? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John > > I currently have a 16 gig usb thumb drive plugged in here without > issue, so it must be something else. > What error messages do you get if you try to mount it from the command line? > > N.B. One thing that's common: > NTFS formatted drives that aren't unmounted cleanly will refuse to > mount unless forced or mounted/removed from a windows machine > > cheers, > Owen. > also your 2 GB limit reminds me of the old FAT32 problem, that partitions of more than 2GB cannot work properly. Check what filesystem your 4GB thumb drive is formatted with. If it is FATxx, change it to ext3. Should you also work with a Win NT/2k/XP/Vista machine, ntfs is a better choice. Kind regards Eberhard From conover at rahul.net Wed Mar 25 09:06:27 2009 From: conover at rahul.net (John Conover) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:06:27 -0700 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: <20090325090627.3218.qmail@rahul.net> Eberhard Roloff writes: > Owen Townend wrote: > > 2009/3/25 John Conover : > >> I can mount 2 gig usb thumb drives, but not 4 gig. Same manufacturer, > >> only size is different. > >> > >> Is there a 2 gig limit? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> John > > > > I currently have a 16 gig usb thumb drive plugged in here without > > issue, so it must be something else. > > What error messages do you get if you try to mount it from the command line? > > > > N.B. One thing that's common: > > NTFS formatted drives that aren't unmounted cleanly will refuse to > > mount unless forced or mounted/removed from a windows machine > > > also your 2 GB limit reminds me of the old FAT32 problem, that > partitions of more than 2GB cannot work properly. > > Check what filesystem your 4GB thumb drive is formatted with. If it is > FATxx, change it to ext3. Should you also work with a Win NT/2k/XP/Vista > machine, ntfs is a better choice. > Thanks, Owen. Its a W95 FAT32 (LBA), according to fdisk(8), and doesn't work. The 2 GB pen drive is FAT16, and works. I just fdisk'ed and mkfs'ed to a FAT16 4 GB, and am filling it up to see if it crashes. Using FAT16 with a 4 GB device is scary. Thanks, John BTW, what started this is that I need to store about 3 GB, and had a 2 GB that was reliable. Found a 4-same brand, same case, but didn't work. -- John Conover, conover at rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ From res at ausics.net Wed Mar 25 09:26:57 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Res wrote: >> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >> >> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >> yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on you. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Mar 25 09:26:45 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:26:45 +0100 Subject: 2 GIG limit on usb thumb drives? In-Reply-To: <20090325090627.3218.qmail@rahul.net> References: <20090325043332.24342.qmail@rahul.net> <20090325090627.3218.qmail@rahul.net> Message-ID: John Conover wrote: > Thanks, Owen. Its a W95 FAT32 (LBA), according to fdisk(8), and > doesn't work. The 2 GB pen drive is FAT16, and works. I just fdisk'ed > and mkfs'ed to a FAT16 4 GB, This does not make much sense. 2GBs with FAT 16 is ok since FAT 16 is linited to a size of max. 2 GB. With 4 GBs, you better use NTFS or a Linux File System. FAT32 aka "W95 FAT 32 (LBA)" will also work, but not FAT 16 and am filling it up to see if it > crashes. Using FAT16 with a 4 GB device is scary. It definitely is! So better use Fat32, NTFS or a Linux File System... > > Thanks, > > John > > BTW, what started this is that I need to store about 3 GB, and had a 2 GB > that was reliable. Found a 4-same brand, same case, but didn't work. crazy. I never saw a stick with a filesystem that did not work for the size it had. Eberhard > From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:21:01 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:21:01 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate Message-ID: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> Hello the list, I have 1 GB or RAM and 1 GB of swap. I reboot rarely my laptop, but instead suspend it to disk. After a few days and intensive use of RAM/swap (virtual machines essentially), I end up when trying to hibernate with the message: "Not enough swap". During hibernation, RAM is being written to swap partition. If there is not enough space, suspend to disk just fails. How can I force my swap to be emptied? I could use a swap file, but I read Ubuntu current kernel can't hibernate using a swap file. Thanks, Vincent From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:49:23 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:49:23 -0700 Subject: Print to PDF in Opera References: <391880.96441.qm@web59904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:23:01 -0400, tommie ramirez-andujar posted: > Hi, > > When i browse the net with Firefox and print to PDF there's no problem but > when i try to do it with Opera it doesn't seem to work. ANy suggestions, > Tommie Tommie, This hasn't been mentioned to you yet but what you have done here is called hijacking a thread and it is not considered nice behaviour on a list. Really, people should mention this to you and suggest you post a new question but often in their attempt to help you, they forget about proper organization. You have a valid question, however, you are supposed to post a new topic, not just add on (reply) to someone's unrelated question. It obscures the original posters question and makes it harder for Philip Schroeder to follow any answers to his question. Actually, it often causes the original question to be forgotten as some people just read the latest posts and don't even see Philip's question. There are very good reasons that posts are threaded. It makes them easier to search when they are archived and easier to read and follow with clients that can display posts threaded. You may read more about posting at these sites or others. http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 Now, usually people don't insist on following everything absolutely, strictly but it makes it easier for everyone if we generally follow the established "netiquette". From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:41:33 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:41:33 +0000 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Res I seriously think that you should do some meditation and yoga and also get some regular exercise coz that oughta prevent you from getting into a such a horrible mood Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: Res Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: ubuntards On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Res wrote: >> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >> >> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >> yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on you. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From sabamoshe at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 11:18:48 2009 From: sabamoshe at gmail.com (Saba Moshe) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:18:48 +0200 Subject: Live CD on dual boot Message-ID: <262b9d920903250418m3fab1f9bu75dc5025e537ad51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:47:28 -0300 From: Lucio M Nicolosi Subject: Re: Live CD on dual boot To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2009/3/24 Saba Moshe : > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:11:44 -0400 > From: Dirk Freitag > Subject: Re: Live CD on dual boot > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, ? ? not for general discussions" > ? ? ? ?> > Message-ID: <49C93070.3080401 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Saba Moshe wrote: >> In my computer's BIOS CD is the first in the boot order. >> >> I was using LiveCDs of different disros to decide which of them will I >> install. >> >> Since I installed Ubuntu dual-boot with XP I lost the abilty to boot to >> any LiveCD. >> >> Is there an entry I can add to the grub file to enable me to choose a >> LiveCD boot? >> >> Thanks >> >> Saba Moshe >> >> -- >> Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 >> Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 >> ,, >> >> >> --snip Moshe Once BIOS is set to CD first, it doesn't matter what you have in your HD or if you even have a HD. Does it happens with other bootable CDs you might have? Do you have more than a single CD or DVD unit? Have you tried setting your BIOS to none HDs? -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23?34'4.79"S - Long.: 46?39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ >>> Thank you, Lucio, your questions lead me to the solution, now everything works as expected. I accumulated during the past couple of years a dozen or so LiveCDs. The ones I tested did not boot. However, by testing more of them I found that some boots and a few don't. By sheer misfortune those I tried before belong to the latter. I should have tried them in another computer before I posted my first post, but I didn't, for which I apologize. There is now no reason, Lucio, to set the BIOS to "none HD", but this is an excellent idea to see if the BIOS recognizes the CD-drive or not. Saba Moshe -- Proudly sent using Ubuntu 8.10 Registered Linux user / machine: 482556 / 392821 ,, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 11:47:44 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:47:44 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090325124744.aa985ef6.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:36:22 -0400 Brian McKee wrote: > stupid suggestion - check VGA cable is firmly seated.... It was not 100% secure on the PC side.. though hardly "lose" either. I I have now screwed it all the way and will see how it goes... -- Vince From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 11:50:24 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:50:24 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <8ad06bca0903242150q31b35f36ke5e7fb5e845a849a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <8ad06bca0903242150q31b35f36ke5e7fb5e845a849a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090325125024.4aaa20f2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:50:26 +0100 Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Same for me. My settings are: > Activate screensaver when computer is inactive: No > Let computer sleep when inactive for…: Never > Let the screen sleep when computer been inactive for…: Never Yeah, same settings here. I have secured y VGA cable as it was not 100% screwed in, but I doubt it was lose enough to have caused the problem. I will watch for the problem and as soon as it re-appears, I will file a bug report, as this is really annoying. -- Vince From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Wed Mar 25 12:02:38 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:02:38 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CA1D5E.5090709@gmx.at> Vincent Trouilliez schrieb: > Hi list, > > I notice an annoying problem recently. Not sure when it started > happening, probably when I upgraded to 8.10, that kind of time frame. > > Problem: my screen often goes blank (as if it were in deep stand by > mode), even though I have disabled the screen saver, and power > management is set to never take any kind of power saving action. > One of my screens went black randomly (=it powered itself off) but I discovered that the power switch of the monitor was faulty. If you got another monitor at hand you could test it. just an idea. Franz From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 12:04:52 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:04:52 -0700 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:08:07 -0400, H.S. posted: > Greg White wrote: >> >> I installed the updates and I still get: >> >> apt-get install kcalc >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> The following extra packages will be installed: >> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x >> gvfs gvfs-backends kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime >> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 >> libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 >> libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl >> libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg >> libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 >> libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins >> libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer >> qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >> Suggested packages: >> kdebase libdv-bin libqt4-dev phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc >> phonon-backend-mplayer >> The following NEW packages will be installed: >> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x >> gvfs gvfs-backends kcalc kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime >> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libaa1 >> libarchive1 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 >> libclucene0ldbl libcucul0 libdv4 libgvfscommon0 liboil0.3 libphonon4 >> libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl >> libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg >> libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 >> libshout3 libsoprano4 libsoup2.4-1 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 >> libstrigiqtdbusclient0 libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins >> libwavpack1 obex-data-server phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer >> qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils soprano-daemon >> 0 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to >> get 46.7MB of archives. >> After this operation, 132MB of additional disk space will be used. >> >> > > What is the output of > $> sudo aptitude -f install >From the data he listed, nothing is showing as broken. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 12:07:00 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CA1E64.4090905@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Hi all you do is right click on the two window thing lower right and >> look at preferance and choose how many. I have mine set to 4 windows. >> >> > > Thank you Karl. The only preferences that I have for the Desktop > Switcher is for how many columns, and how many rows. > > your right. This method only selects how the desk tops are arranged. I have 4 desk tops and to be honest, I have no idea how I got 4 :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From thorntreehome at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 12:04:54 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:04:54 -0700 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> <200903241535.01994.kassube@gmx.net> <49C8FE65.9030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: >[Karl]>> Now just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little time but >in the lower left corner it tells you it is sending email to the trash >>> directory. You can look at the Trash and it will show the files you >>> sent there. >>> >>> >[Nils]> Well, IMHO moving to the trash directory is something entirely >different than deleting stuff. So it seems the delete function is faulty. >Yes, I know you can empty the trash afterwards, but why move to the trash >in the first place if you want to delete mails? >> >[Karl] I do not move the Trash directory. I goto File Empty trash. > As well as the advice Matthew gave you about the shift+delete, which has also worked on Windows for a long time as well as GNU/Linux, you can set the properties of the Trash folder to automagically delete messages more than (number you choose here) days old or only leave the (number you choose here) in the folder, if you find one of those options useful. You can do that for other folders too if it fits the way you want to use your system. From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 12:13:56 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:13:56 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <49CA1D5E.5090709@gmx.at> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CA1D5E.5090709@gmx.at> Message-ID: <20090325131356.d3275421.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:02:38 +0100 Franz Waldmüller wrote: > One of my screens went black randomly (=it powered itself off) but I > discovered that the power switch of the monitor was faulty. If you got > another monitor at hand you could test it. > > just an idea. Yeah I did consider a hardware problem. But I don't think it's the problem. The monitor doesn't power off, it only goes "idle" and goes back to life again as soon as I move the mouse, showing that's it responsive. That, plus that fact that there are trillions of bugs in Linux with new ones continually added... make me favour the option of a software problem... -- Vince From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 01:32:11 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:32:11 -0300 Subject: File Name changes across Samba References: <49C948F5.2060409@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <7949707.tHBz8RVrNd@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >> So here's the question: anyone know why the '?' in the file name would >> cause samba to change to 'FYL228~4.EML'? > > Not really, but it sounds like some quirk in a 8.3 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename) algorithm. In particular, that ? is a single character wild card in DOS, so obviously impossible for an 8.3 filename. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 01:35:12 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:35:12 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <5641186.4Wlqu7jWoF@cedar.serverforest.com> Steve Reilly wrote: > some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. > my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of > $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special > software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using > what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND pay > dearly for it to boot. Since I do some work for a University helpdesk - for a school that doesn't mandate what equipment you use - I can sometimes wish we had that policy :-) But _I_ wouldn't want to go to such a school! -- derek From dcurtis at uniserve.com Wed Mar 25 12:25:34 2009 From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:25:34 -0400 Subject: network usage software on my gateway In-Reply-To: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <20090325082534.959985f7.dcurtis@uniserve.com> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:28:27 +0300 "Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)" wrote: > Hi, > We reached a point our internet connexion is overheaded. > We have about 20 workstations. > I would like to build some stats on the network consumption: HTTP, FTP, > Torrents, Instant messenging, whatever... > The goal is to find out first what kind of traffic is overheading the > connexion. > > Thus, I look for a very good and clever software in order to detect traffic > kind. I would be only about detecting the working port, because MSN (for > example) can go through 80 port: I need the soft to detect it's an MSN > using 80. > > What would be your advices? > Since no one's replied yet, I'll make the suggestion of ntop. I don't think it will identify the actual application being used but it will output stats on port and protocol. -- David Curtis From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Wed Mar 25 12:29:53 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:29:53 -0400 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CA23C1.7010004@gatech.edu> Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Hello the list, > I have 1 GB or RAM and 1 GB of swap. Well, that's your problem. 2 GB is typically recommended for 1 GB physical memory. That's what I have, and it works fine. > During hibernation, RAM is being written to swap partition. If there > is not enough space, suspend to disk just fails. How can I force my > swap to be emptied? I believe you can do: swapoff swaplocation swaplocation can be either a partition or a file. I haven't verified, but this should free the entire partition for hibernating. Of course, if you don't have enough physical memory, swapoff can trigger the out of memory killer, which will cause (seemingly) random processes to die. Matt Flaschen From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 01:19:27 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:19:27 -0300 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> H.S. wrote: > Josef Wolf wrote: >> >> I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of >> one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first >> line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so >> on. The same happens for the second line too. >> >> I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign >> a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to >> exist in ubuntu's pppd. It shouldn't be needed, because interface naming is handled by udev. But it's so long since I had a ppp interface, I couldn't tell you if it's handled _right_ :-( -- derek From jason at bluetree.ath.cx Wed Mar 25 12:34:15 2009 From: jason at bluetree.ath.cx (Jason Crain) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, March 25, 2009 5:21 am, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > I have 1 GB or RAM and 1 GB of swap. I reboot rarely my laptop, but > instead suspend it to disk. After a few days and intensive use of > RAM/swap (virtual machines essentially), I end up when trying to > hibernate with the message: "Not enough swap". > During hibernation, RAM is being written to swap partition. If there > is not enough space, suspend to disk just fails. How can I force my > swap to be emptied? I could use a swap file, but I read Ubuntu current > kernel can't hibernate using a swap file. The only way to force swap to be emptied is to close running programs to free RAM. You need more swap. I would recommend 2GB. I believe GParted from the installation disc can resize your partitions so you can increase the size of the swap partition. From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 01:27:12 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:27:12 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: Message-ID: <1853606.S9ZP6emV1v@cedar.serverforest.com> H.S. wrote: > Greg White wrote: >>> Greg White wrote: >>>> I installed the updates and I still get: >>>> >>>> apt-get install kcalc >>>> Reading package lists... Done >>>> Building dependency tree >>>> Reading state information... Done >>>> The following extra packages will be installed: >>>> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x ... > The following NEW packages will be installed: > kcalc kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a > libavahi-qt3-1 libgmp3c2 liblua50 liblualib50 libqt3-mt > 0 packages upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 73.7MB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] > Would download/install/remove packages. > > > And all this makes sense, they are all KDE related. That makes sense - but not Greg's. Most of those extra packages Greg's seeing are completely unrelated to kcalc - or kdebase and libraries. They're all related to gstreamer. Greg: do "sudo apt-get upgrade" (you can use the -s - for simulate - option if you want). I'll bet everything else is waiting for an upgrade. -- derek From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 12:45:01 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:45:01 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > The only way to force swap to be emptied is to close running programs to > free RAM. I have the same problem, Ubuntu often uses lots of swap even though there is bags of available RAM, therefore slowing down the system with lots of useless disk access). I found that closing all programs doesn't empty the swap at all. All it does is get (some of, not all) the RAM. The solution I found to empty the swap is to disable it: it forces the kernel to empty it first. Then I just re-enable it as soon, and I the system starts from a clean sheet so to speak. To disable swap: $ sudo swapoff -a Then re-enable it: $ sudo swapon -a There is also another use case for this off/on trick: When I was (not using it anymore) the Hibernation feature, I noticed that when resuming, the system was very slow... it was using swap a lot, even though zero swap was used before hibernating was triggered. So you basically have a responsive/snappy system before hibernating, and when resuming, ytou get a slow system... how nice. So turning the swap off/on following a resume, fixed the problem. HTH -- Vince From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Wed Mar 25 13:04:29 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:52:38 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Hi all you do is right click on the two window thing lower right and >> look at preferance and choose how many. I have mine set to 4 windows. >> >> > Thank you Karl. The only preferences that I have for the Desktop > Switcher is for how many columns, and how many rows. How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 row? Aart From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:06:47 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:06:47 +0200 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <880dece00903250606r7dbcd7ebk9f761620b7aa47a2@mail.gmail.com> > Res I seriously think that you should do some meditation and yoga and also get some regular exercise coz that oughta prevent you from getting into a such a horrible mood > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > 1) Trolling _is_ exercise. 2) The Ubuntu community did need to see that site. There is at least one list member I can name who gives bad advice with good intentions. This list really is the blind leading the blind sometimes. The problem is that new list members don't know who gives good advice from years of experience, and who has made a hobby out of helping people with a technology that he doesn't fully understand. I have also given bad advice from time to time, so I'm not picking on anybody. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:07:07 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:07:07 -0600 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CA2C7B.9060302@gmail.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> The only way to force swap to be emptied is to close running programs to >> free RAM. >> > > I have the same problem, Ubuntu often uses lots of swap even though > there is bags of available RAM, therefore slowing down the system with > lots of useless disk access). > > I found that closing all programs doesn't empty the swap at all. All it > does is get (some of, not all) the RAM. > > The solution I found to empty the swap is to disable it: it forces the > kernel to empty it first. Then I just re-enable it as soon, and I the > system starts from a clean sheet so to speak. > > To disable swap: > > $ sudo swapoff -a > > Then re-enable it: > > $ sudo swapon -a > > > There is also another use case for this off/on trick: > > When I was (not using it anymore) the Hibernation feature, I noticed > that when resuming, the system was very slow... it was using swap a > lot, even though zero swap was used before hibernating was triggered. > So you basically have a responsive/snappy system before hibernating, > and when resuming, ytou get a slow system... how nice. > > So turning the swap off/on following a resume, fixed the problem. > > > HTH > > -- > Vince > > top - 06:56:10 up 13:30, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.20, 0.17 Tasks: 126 total, 4 running, 122 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 10.4%us, 1.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 88.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 1034328k total, 817656k used, 216672k free, 89356k buffers Swap: 1959920k total, 0k used, 1959920k free, 360680k cached There seems to be some cached and some buffers. But this Hardy is not on a laptop. As you see I have 1 Gig of RAM and 2 Gig of Swap partition. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 13:12:59 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:12:59 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <49CA2C7B.9060302@gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CA2C7B.9060302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090325141259.4b3c1253.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:07:07 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > > I have the same problem, Ubuntu often uses lots of swap even though > > there is bags of available RAM, therefore slowing down the system with > > lots of useless disk access). > > > > I found that closing all programs doesn't empty the swap at all. All it > > does is get (some of, not all) the RAM. > > > > The solution I found to empty the swap is to disable it: it forces the > > kernel to empty it first. Then I just re-enable it as soon, and I the > > system starts from a clean sheet so to speak. > > > > > > > top - 06:56:10 up 13:30, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.20, 0.17 > Tasks: 126 total, 4 running, 122 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 10.4%us, 1.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 88.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, > 0.0%st > Mem: 1034328k total, 817656k used, 216672k free, 89356k buffers > Swap: 1959920k total, 0k used, 1959920k free, 360680k cached > > There seems to be some cached and some buffers. But this Hardy is not on > a laptop. As you see I have 1 Gig of RAM and 2 Gig of Swap partition. > > Karl What's your point, wrt to my post which you quoted, or even the OP ? -- Vince From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:17:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:17:34 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> > How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 row? > The applet does not let me choose 1 column, 1 row. Does it let you? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Wed Mar 25 13:21:54 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: timezone setting References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <49C8C22E.3070202@gmail.com> <20090324082345.87c826d1.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <328a5cf40903240846w453680b6p383330838c2de9bc@mail.gmail.com> <1237927737.28986.573.camel@smoot.tic.com> <328a5cf40903241920u3a935301xd8d8cb78edff9889@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:20:20 +0000, Nik N wrote: > I said nothing about how Unix/Linux keeps time (including file-system, > which is, in this context, part of the OS), I was talking about the > applications, which, as a rule, simply use the local time. The issue is, > at least the way I see it, simply this: should the Ubuntu server > installer allow the selection of UTC as the server's local time. I > believe it should. All other Linux distribution installers I ever used > provide this. > > Nik If you remove /etc/timezone the localtime is not known by any application, so they can only use UTC. Aart From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Wed Mar 25 13:27:51 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:27:51 +0300 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <49CA23C1.7010004@gatech.edu> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <49CA23C1.7010004@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49CA3157.4040504@lab.vectoris.fr> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > swapoff swaplocation > > swaplocation can be either a partition or a file. I haven't verified, > but this should free the entire partition for hibernating. Of course, > if you don't have enough physical memory, swapoff can trigger the out of > memory killer, which will cause (seemingly) random processes to die. You can really have surprising effects with that radical tip. It could be a bit more secure if the user first close all closable running applications. But then, if the goal is to hibernate, it becomes no worth. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:31:37 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:31:37 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <20090325141259.4b3c1253.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CA2C7B.9060302@gmail.com> <20090325141259.4b3c1253.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903250631p10fcc37fj6344491a08c45e6d@mail.gmail.com> All, Thanks for your answers. I knew about the golden rule swap size = 2 x RAM size, but on a 10 GB system, this rule is a little bit hard to observe. Dura lex sed lex, I will use it for my install of Jaunty. Thanks for the swapoff/swapon trick, I am going to integrate it in my hibernation script. Vincent From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:33:32 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (Allen Meyers) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:33:32 -0500 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <880dece00903250606r7dbcd7ebk9f761620b7aa47a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <880dece00903250606r7dbcd7ebk9f761620b7aa47a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Res I seriously think that you should do some meditation and yoga and > also get some regular exercise coz that oughta prevent you from getting into > a such a horrible mood > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > 1) Trolling _is_ exercise. > > 2) The Ubuntu community did need to see that site. There is at least > one list member I can name who gives bad advice with good intentions. > This list really is the blind leading the blind sometimes. The problem > is that new list members don't know who gives good advice from years > of experience, and who has made a hobby out of helping people with a > technology that he doesn't fully understand. I have also given bad > advice from time to time, so I'm not picking on anybody. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > When you do discover that giving unselfish resource on any list cherish it if you truly value your Linux learning curve. 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Wizard wrote: >> Steve Reilly said: >>> some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. >>> my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of >>> $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special >>> software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using >>> what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND >>> pay dearly for it to boot. >>> >>> steve >> >> Did your niece go to Rollins College in Orlando, Florida, too? That >> sounds so familiar. >> >> Cybe R. Wizard > > haha. syracuse. still there, grad school next year. > > > > steve When our kids went to university, studying ict, about 15 years ago they got the cd-roms to install Linux (Slackware) on their computers from their professors. After that they helped me make the switch from Amiga 500 to Linux. Aart From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 14:15:14 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:15:14 -0600 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CA3C72.8090507@gmail.com> Aart Koelewijn wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:52:38 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > >>> Hi all you do is right click on the two window thing lower right and >>> look at preferance and choose how many. I have mine set to 4 windows. >>> >>> >>> >> Thank you Karl. The only preferences that I have for the Desktop >> Switcher is for how many columns, and how many rows. >> > > How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 row? > > Aart > > > Bingo! I know how to do it now. My 8.11 on my laptop came with 2 desktops. I turned it on and right clicked and choose preferances and said 1 and 4 and now I have 4 desktops on my laptop. Thank you Aart for seeing the obvious! Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 15:01:18 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:01:18 -0500 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237993278.10162.14.camel@spare> - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 03:13 +0000, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Send ubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ubuntards (Bart Silverstrim) > 2. Re: Need assistance (Cybe R. Wizard) > 3. Re: Need assistance (Cybe R. Wizard) > 4. Re: Need assistance (Steve Reilly) > 5. Re: timezone setting (Nik N) > 6. Re: File Name changes across Samba (Brian McKee) > 7. Re: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ (Brian McKee) > 8. Re: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, (Brian McKee) > 9. Re: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, (Lucio M Nicolosi) > 10. kcalc dependencies (Greg White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:36:10 -0400 > From: Bart Silverstrim > Subject: Re: ubuntards > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Message-ID: <49C98A8A.50504 at chrononomicon.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Res wrote: > > Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. > > > > "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to > > show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your > > actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to > > yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) > > > When I used windoze I had the opportunity to spend my fixed income on the latest mistake anytime I wished to waste my money. Since I downloaded and installed Ubuntu the only money I have wasted has been on one improperly set up mainboard. That was not ubuntu's fault, it did not run on windoze either. The best thing about Ubuntu is if you are not happy you can pull out you wallet and spend better than two hundred for the latest MS mistake. Moderator, feel free not to post this because everyone is forgetting the purpose of this list and this is so immature. - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Wed Mar 25 15:15:30 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:17:34 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 >> row? >> >> > The applet does not let me choose 1 column, 1 row. Does it let you? Never tried. One of the reasons I choose Linux long ago, is that it gave me the opportunety to use multiple screens, as I was used to do with my Amiga 500. I have 8 screens on my desktop, all in use, 6 on my laptop. Just tried on my wife's desktop, 8.04 btw. She can choose number of rows and number of screens. One screen works for her. Next time I fire up my laptop (8.10) I will try, if I remember. Aart From lists at thouret.co.uk Wed Mar 25 15:32:58 2009 From: lists at thouret.co.uk (Guy Thouret) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:32:58 -0700 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <1237995178.4360.15.camel@guy-laptop> On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 13:45 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > I have the same problem, Ubuntu often uses lots of swap even though > there is bags of available RAM, therefore slowing down the system with > lots of useless disk access). If you have lots of available RAM you could try adjusting the swappiness of the kernel by changing the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Values in the range 0 to 100. The higher the value, the more the kernel will swap out pages from RAM to disk and vice versa. So if you want to minimise use of swap space and keep pages in RAM set the kernel swappiness to 0. To make a permanent change, add the line vm.swappiness = value to /etc/sysctl.conf where value is the desired swappiness value. There's an old discussion of it at http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 Guy. From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 16:02:33 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:02:33 -0400 Subject: OT: Thunderbird email removal In-Reply-To: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> References: <49C8EC51.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CA5599.3030005@sbcglobal.net> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have been using Thunderbird email client for a long time. But this > morning I learned out how to delete old email in large chunks. I have > wanted to do it for some time but it didn't seem to work. Here is what > works. > > First select the mail you want to delete. You do this by selecting > the oldest email, and then go to the newest you want to delete and first > hold the Shift key which darkens all the email you want to delete. Now > just click on Delete and watch. It takes a little time but in the lower > left corner it tells you it is sending email to the trash directory. You > can look at the Trash and it will show the files you sent there. > > Karl > > You _just_ figured this out? Got another one you don't know about, then... Hold the [Ctrl] key while selecting messages; instead of the [Shift] key; and you can delete a number of messages that are _not_ in sequence! -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 15:20:16 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:20:16 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <20090324205510.20695b7b@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <3201090.nkcYtHeOL7@cedar.serverforest.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > NoOp said: >> For that you could have bought her around 4-5 new quality 'college' >> laptops & tell her that all but the hard drives are disposable if they >> die... > > Don't I know it; I've never paid more than less than[1] half that for a > computer before! But it was for a reward as much as just a really good > (or so we thought) machine for 4 future years. Who would have guessed > that it would cost more than a thousand dollars per semester? > Of course, laptops were more expensive in general then. > > [1] I couldn't resist using that phrase, it is so.. > stupid-looking. Is it understandable? Yes, I've only once paid more than less than half $4000 for a computer, and that was my first XT, which cost me $2300. Now I want a netbook, but since they all cost more than less than half what I paid for my last two laptops, I'm having a hard time justifying it :-) -- derek From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 16:13:05 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:13:05 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <1237995178.4360.15.camel@guy-laptop> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <20090325134501.f1fcb0b7.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <1237995178.4360.15.camel@guy-laptop> Message-ID: <20090325171305.8b7f5167.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Guy Thouret wrote: > If you have lots of available RAM you could try adjusting the swappiness > of the kernel by changing the value of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. > > Values in the range 0 to 100. The higher the value, the more the kernel > will swap out pages from RAM to disk and vice versa. Thanks, I will try that... -- Vince From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 15:33:26 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:33:26 -0300 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <49CA23C1.7010004@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4487882.WvUEan2yOk@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Vincent Arnoux wrote: >> Hello the list, >> I have 1 GB or RAM and 1 GB of swap. > > Well, that's your problem. 2 GB is typically recommended for 1 GB > physical memory. That's what I have, and it works fine. >> During hibernation, RAM is being written to swap partition. If there >> is not enough space, suspend to disk just fails. How can I force my >> swap to be emptied? > > I believe you can do: > > swapoff swaplocation > > swaplocation can be either a partition or a file. I haven't verified, > but this should free the entire partition for hibernating. Of course, > if you don't have enough physical memory, swapoff can trigger the out of > memory killer, which will cause (seemingly) random processes to die. aiui, even swapoff won't purge swap (ie, it won't force anything to be swapped in, it will simply stop swapping out). Eventually, of course, the swap space will be emptied and dismounted. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 15:17:16 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:17:16 -0300 Subject: ubuntards References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Res wrote: >> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >> >> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >> yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 15:31:48 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:31:48 -0300 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3586294.sKpHVOqoIG@cedar.serverforest.com> Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Hello the list, > I have 1 GB or RAM and 1 GB of swap. I reboot rarely my laptop, but > instead suspend it to disk. After a few days and intensive use of > RAM/swap (virtual machines essentially), I end up when trying to > hibernate with the message: "Not enough swap". > During hibernation, RAM is being written to swap partition. If there > is not enough space, suspend to disk just fails. How can I force my > swap to be emptied? I could use a swap file, but I read Ubuntu current > kernel can't hibernate using a swap file. You can't force your swap to be emptied (except by stopping all processes), though you can minimize it by making sure you're using no more programs than can fit in your real memory and then doing something with all of those programs (to force them to swap back in), and you can't expect to be able to hibernate with no more swap memory than real memory. While there's a lot more actually happening, think of hibernation as simply swapping out _all_ current processes. This means that you need enough space in there for all the storage of all the current programs, which generally means about 2x your real memory. otoh, if you simply save your virtual machines (ie, hibernate them in their own files), you shouldn't have an issue with your other memory. Hibernate supports the concept of stopping/starting services when hibernating and resuming, so you could write a script to save/restore the VMs. -- derek From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Wed Mar 25 16:30:26 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:30:26 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> >> Res wrote: >>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>> >>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >>> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >>> yourself. >> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >> up getting pissed off :-) > > He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... And he started the thread! Kinda like how he starts off insulting me about stick in the posterior then insinuates that *I'm* gay? I don't even know how that's at all related to anything I've said on the list that he'd post such nonsense . Unless it's something on his mind that he's making such a stretch to reach that conclusion. I'm really thinkin' he has issues :-) From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 15:24:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:24:20 -0300 Subject: kcalc dependencies References: Message-ID: <1568016.RssfKo3hOH@cedar.serverforest.com> H.S. wrote: > So, it looks like you need to install all this stuff to get kcalc. What > I reported in an earlier post about my case of installing kcalc was > Hardy BTW. Yes, ignore anything _I've_ said - I didn't realize it was KDE 4.2. It seems still to be a bug - there's no way kdebase should need any Gnome stuff. gvfs for heaven's sake! -- derek From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:39:55 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:55 +0100 Subject: Not enough free swap space to hibernate In-Reply-To: <3586294.sKpHVOqoIG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <930ea9d10903250321t562fe072ra8482abdd73afc05@mail.gmail.com> <3586294.sKpHVOqoIG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <930ea9d10903250939x71487cc1rc4042dc16620fe6e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 16:31, Derek Broughton wrote: > You can't force your swap to be emptied (except by stopping all processes), > though you can minimize it by making sure you're using no more programs > than can fit in your real memory and then doing something with all of those > programs (to force them to swap back in), and you can't expect to be able > to hibernate with no more swap memory than real memory. > > While there's a lot more actually happening, think of hibernation as simply > swapping out _all_ current processes.  This means that you need enough > space in there for all the storage of all the current programs, which > generally means about 2x your real memory. > > otoh, if you simply save your virtual machines (ie, hibernate them in their > own files), you shouldn't have an issue with your other memory.  Hibernate > supports the concept of stopping/starting services when hibernating and > resuming, so you could write a script to save/restore the VMs. Yes, that's what I observed: if I save the virtual machine and shut down VMWare, some pages will remain in swap even if RAM will drop. Hence, if at this time RAM in use + swap in use > 1 GB, I won't be able to hibernate. Using swapoff/swapon empties my swap and then I am sure that I will have enough room to store my RAM when hibernating. I just need now to find where to call a script doing the swapoff/swapon before hibernating. Vincent From jw at raven.inka.de Wed Mar 25 17:06:16 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:06:16 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <20090324221128.GD26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <20090325170616.GE26877@raven.wolf.lan> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 07:19:59PM -0400, H.S. wrote: [ ... ] > er .. this is weird. It appears to have been in Gutsy (in Universe) and > not in more recent Ubuntu versions. It is in Debian though. So if you > find no other option, you could always add a Debian repo and set up > /etc/apt/preferences such that only that package is pulled from Debian > repos and none other. OK. But AFAICS, ifrename operates only on hardware-related information. There is no way to rename th interface based on the provider. From jw at raven.inka.de Wed Mar 25 17:13:30 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:13:30 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090325171330.GF26877@raven.wolf.lan> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:19:27PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > H.S. wrote: > > > Josef Wolf wrote: > >> > >> I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of > >> one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first > >> line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so > >> on. The same happens for the second line too. > >> > >> I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign > >> a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to > >> exist in ubuntu's pppd. > > It shouldn't be needed, because interface naming is handled by udev. So how do I tell udev to name the device based on the provider name? From jw at raven.inka.de Wed Mar 25 17:33:54 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:33:54 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: <1734.49c960f1.68165@getafix.xdna.net> References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1734.49c960f1.68165@getafix.xdna.net> Message-ID: <20090325173354.GG26877@raven.wolf.lan> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:38:41PM -0000, Cameron Hutchison wrote: > Josef Wolf writes: > > >What happened to this option? Is there any other way to get stable > >[ppp] interface names in ubuntu? > > The pppd config has a "unit" directive (see the pppd man page) to > specify which number to use after the "ppp" in the interface name. Yeah, I see. And here, it starts getting wired. Opensuse's man page (for pppd-2.4.5, which has the ifname option) suggests that this is not reliable: unit num Sets the ppp unit number (for a ppp0 or ppp1 etc interface name) for outbound connections. If the unit is already in use a dynamically allocated will be used. So there is no guarantee that this unit is actually used. OTOH, intrepid's man page (pppd-2.4.4, without ifname option) don't have this last sentence. This looks to me like they have noticed that the unit option is not reliable and they have added the ifname option in 2.4.5. Anybody knows which version will be included in 9.04 and whether it supports the ifname option? From alexdbkim at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 18:39:42 2009 From: alexdbkim at gmail.com (Alexander Dong Back Kim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:39:42 +1100 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... Message-ID: Dear members, It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as maximum, nothing I can here... There is a warning message in the syslog saying that *'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout.* I have no idea what it means. I feel like I'm a silence now =( please give my world back to me!!! Regards, Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 18:50:41 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:50:41 -0600 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CA7D01.7040204@gmail.com> Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: > Dear members, > > It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. > Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as > maximum, nothing I can here... > > There is a warning message in the syslog saying that > > *'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout.* > > I have no idea what it means. > > I feel like I'm a silence now =( please give my world back to me!!! > > Regards, > Alex > > Alex do you have all the updates to 8.10 installed? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cr33dog at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 18:51:07 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:51:07 -0500 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/25 Alexander Dong Back Kim : > Dear members, > > It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. > Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as > maximum, nothing I can here... Assuming you're using Gnome, double-click the volume control applet on the panel. Then click "Preferences" and look to see if any of the Playback channels are invisible. If so, check/select them and see if you get playback. If not - we need to know what soundcard you have - use lspci and lshw... Chris From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 18:50:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:50:24 -0300 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090325171330.GF26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <1562235.F0gDSoW6sf@cedar.serverforest.com> Josef Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:19:27PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> H.S. wrote: >> >> > Josef Wolf wrote: >> >> >> >> I have multiple ADSL lines running ppp. This works fine except of >> >> one problem: The interface names keep changing. Sometimes the first >> >> line is on ppp0, sometimes it is on ppp1, sometimes on ppp2, and so >> >> on. The same happens for the second line too. >> >> >> >> I see that pppd in other distros has the "ifname" option to assign >> >> a stable interface name for a given peer. This option seems not to >> >> exist in ubuntu's pppd. >> >> It shouldn't be needed, because interface naming is handled by udev. > > So how do I tell udev to name the device based on the provider name? What do you mean by "provider name"? As I mentioned, it's a looong time since I used ppp. How do _you_ know what the provider name is in the first place? -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 25 18:48:42 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:48:42 -0300 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <20090324221128.GD26877@raven.wolf.lan> <20090325170616.GE26877@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <1797331.lvjIpTzcp6@cedar.serverforest.com> Josef Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 07:19:59PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > [ ... ] >> er .. this is weird. It appears to have been in Gutsy (in Universe) and >> not in more recent Ubuntu versions. It is in Debian though. So if you >> find no other option, you could always add a Debian repo and set up >> /etc/apt/preferences such that only that package is pulled from Debian >> repos and none other. > > OK. > > But AFAICS, ifrename operates only on hardware-related information. > There is no way to rename th interface based on the provider. Sure there is. udev (which is what should be used, and why we don't _have_ ifrename any more) can rename an interface based on anything you want. If it's too complicated for udev's own parsing, you can have udev invoke a script. -- derek From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Wed Mar 25 19:22:30 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:15:30 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:17:34 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 >>> row? >>> >>> >> The applet does not let me choose 1 column, 1 row. Does it let you? > > Never tried. One of the reasons I choose Linux long ago, is that it gave > me the opportunety to use multiple screens, as I was used to do with my > Amiga 500. I have 8 screens on my desktop, all in use, 6 on my laptop. > Just tried on my wife's desktop, 8.04 btw. She can choose number of rows > and number of screens. One screen works for her. Next time I fire up my > laptop (8.10) I will try, if I remember. I just tried, could set number of screens and number of rows on my 8.10 laptop. No problem setting it to just 1 screen. -- Aart From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 19:32:09 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:32:09 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903251232q33f60b85u1029a42ce2426088@mail.gmail.com> After disabling Compiz then restarting, I have the option to set a single screen. I suppose that there would be an overriding Compiz setting for screens, but I do not feel like enabling it to check. I still cannot get Sticky Keys to work (needed for disability) or Keyboard Layouts to work (needed because my native language is not English). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From jw at raven.inka.de Wed Mar 25 19:50:53 2009 From: jw at raven.inka.de (Josef Wolf) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:50:53 +0100 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? In-Reply-To: <1562235.F0gDSoW6sf@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090325171330.GF26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1562235.F0gDSoW6sf@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090325195053.GA28616@raven.wolf.lan> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:50:24PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Josef Wolf wrote: > > So how do I tell udev to name the device based on the provider name? > > What do you mean by "provider name"? As I mentioned, it's a looong time > since I used ppp. How do _you_ know what the provider name is in the first > place? Well, it is part of the configuration: $ perl -ne 'print if /ppp0/../^$/' /etc/network/interfaces iface ppp0 inet ppp pre-up ifconfig eth1 up post-down ifconfig eth1 down provider TCOM1 $ egrep '(eth|ifname)' /etc/ppp/peers/TCOM1 eth1 # ifname ppp0 # I'd like to have this line here $ Thus, "ifup ppp0" sees "provider TCOM1" in /etc/network/interfaces. Therefore it will use /etc/ppp/peers/TCOM1 for the ppp options. Here it finds that the ADSL line for this peer is connected to eth1. All is fine up to here. But sometimes this provider is connected to ppp1 or ppp2 or something, although I said "ifup ppp0". To rename the interface to "tcom1" or something, I would need to find out to which peer (TCOM1 in this example) it is connected. But I can't find the relevant information from udev: $ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ppp0/ Udevinfo starts with the device specified by the devpath and then walks up the chain of parent devices. It prints for every device found, all possible attributes in the udev rules key format. A rule to match, can be composed by the attributes of the device and the attributes from one single parent device. looking at device '/devices/virtual/net/ppp0': KERNEL=="ppp0" SUBSYSTEM=="net" DRIVER=="" ATTR{addr_len}=="0" ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0" ATTR{iflink}=="7" ATTR{ifindex}=="7" ATTR{features}=="0x0" ATTR{type}=="512" ATTR{link_mode}=="0" ATTR{address}=="" ATTR{broadcast}=="" ATTR{carrier}=="1" ATTR{dormant}=="0" ATTR{operstate}=="unknown" ATTR{mtu}=="1492" ATTR{flags}=="0x1091" ATTR{tx_queue_len}=="3" looking at parent device '/devices/virtual/net': KERNELS=="net" SUBSYSTEMS=="" DRIVERS=="" looking at parent device '/devices/virtual': KERNELS=="virtual" SUBSYSTEMS=="" DRIVERS=="" $ From alexdbkim at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:55:21 2009 From: alexdbkim at gmail.com (Alexander Dong Back Kim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:55:21 +1100 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: <49CA7D01.7040204@gmail.com> References: <49CA7D01.7040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: > >> Dear members, >> >> It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. >> Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as >> maximum, nothing I can here... >> >> There is a warning message in the syslog saying that >> >> *'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout.* >> >> I have no idea what it means. >> >> I feel like I'm a silence now =( please give my world back to me!!! >> >> Regards, >> Alex >> >> >> > Alex do you have all the updates to 8.10 installed? > > Karl > > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 > > Dear Karl, Yes I do have all the updates of 8.10 I believe. Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdbkim at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 20:58:21 2009 From: alexdbkim at gmail.com (Alexander Dong Back Kim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:58:21 +1100 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Chris Mohler wrote: > 2009/3/25 Alexander Dong Back Kim : > > Dear members, > > > > It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. > > Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as > > maximum, nothing I can here... > > Assuming you're using Gnome, double-click the volume control applet on > the panel. Then click "Preferences" and look to see if any of the > Playback channels are invisible. If so, check/select them and see if > you get playback. > > If not - we need to know what soundcard you have - use lspci and lshw... > > Chris > Dear Chris, I have only one playback showing *"ALSA PCM on front:0 (AD198x Analog) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer)"* The following is the result from aplay alexdbkim at alexk:~$ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 thanks for further suggestions =) Regards, Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 21:20:07 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:20:07 -0700 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <20090325125024.4aaa20f2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <8ad06bca0903242150q31b35f36ke5e7fb5e845a849a@mail.gmail.com> <20090325125024.4aaa20f2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On 03/25/2009 04:50 AM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:50:26 +0100 > Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > >> Same for me. My settings are: >> Activate screensaver when computer is inactive: No >> Let computer sleep when inactive for…: Never >> Let the screen sleep when computer been inactive for…: Never > > Yeah, same settings here. > I have secured y VGA cable as it was not 100% screwed in, but I doubt > it was lose enough to have caused the problem. > I will watch for the problem and as soon as it re-appears, I will file a > bug report, as this is really annoying. > > -- > Vince > Check in the configuration editor: gconf-editor /apps/gnome-power-manager/timout/sleep_display_ac Mine is set at 1800 (seconds) or 30 minutes. Never should be '0'. Also check the 'sleep_display_battery' - could be it thinks it's on battery... stranger things have happened. From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Wed Mar 25 21:42:21 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:42:21 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <8ad06bca0903242150q31b35f36ke5e7fb5e845a849a@mail.gmail.com> <20090325125024.4aaa20f2.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090325224221.cd2928ac.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:20:07 -0700 NoOp wrote: > Check in the configuration editor: gconf-editor > /apps/gnome-power-manager/timout/sleep_display_ac > Mine is set at 1800 (seconds) or 30 minutes. Strange. When I set it to 30 minutes, it shows "-3600" (yes, MINUS 3600). If I set to one hour, it shows "-1800". Maybe this weird "minus" sign is a clue that the configuration system lost its mind... > Never should be '0'. Phew, at least my system got that right... it indeed shows 0 when set to Never. > Also check the 'sleep_display_battery' - could be it thinks it's on > battery... stranger things have happened. Hmmm, you might have found something here. It reads "300". My machine is a desktop not laptop, so I guess this setting is irrelevant... unless as you say, the system is somehow sometimes thinking it morphed into a laptop ! It would take huge hammering to flatten my big 21" CRT enough to make it look like a laptop/flat screen ! ;-) I will set this key to "1" to see if this really playing a role in the bug. -- Vince From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 22:33:41 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:33:41 -0700 Subject: network usage software on my gateway In-Reply-To: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: On 03/24/2009 12:28 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > Hi, > We reached a point our internet connexion is overheaded. > We have about 20 workstations. > I would like to build some stats on the network consumption: HTTP, FTP, > Torrents, Instant messenging, whatever... > The goal is to find out first what kind of traffic is overheading the > connexion. > > Thus, I look for a very good and clever software in order to detect traffic > kind. I would be only about detecting the working port, because MSN (for > example) can go through 80 port: I need the soft to detect it's an MSN > using 80. > > What would be your advices? > Perhaps: From alexdbkim at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 22:40:15 2009 From: alexdbkim at gmail.com (Alexander Dong Back Kim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:40:15 +1100 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: <49CAAF24.1030801@gmail.com> References: <49CA7D01.7040204@gmail.com> <49CA9CBA.1040201@gmail.com> <49CAAF24.1030801@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Karl F. Larsen >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Karl F. Larsen >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems there is a problem (at least on my laptop) with a sound card. >>>>>> Although aplay detects the sound card, even I increase the volume as >>>>>> maximum, nothing I can here... >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a warning message in the syslog saying that >>>>>> >>>>>> *'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout.* >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea what it means. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel like I'm a silence now =( please give my world back to me!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Alex do you have all the updates to 8.10 installed? >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >>>>> Linux User >>>>> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >>>>> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dear Karl, >>>> >>>> Yes I do have all the updates of 8.10 I believe. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> OK now try booting on not the latest kernel but the one before that. The >>> newest kernel has some problems. Now check your sound. If still no sound >>> click on the two speakers that are on the upper edge of the screen. It is >>> a >>> sound setting device. >>> >>> Now right click the speakers and choose "Open Volume Control" and make >>> sure all the controls are turned on and are turned up. >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >>> Linux User >>> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >>> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Karl, >> >> First of all, thanks for your suggestion. However, sound still doesn't >> work >> even I booted with linux kernel 2.6.27-9 instead of 2.6.27-11. =( >> >> But this time I found something else that I didn't reported before. In the >> syslog, I could see some more error messages. >> >> I could find the below line by searching "sound". >> Mar 26 08:51:25 alexk x-session-manager[6589]: WARNING: Application >> 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout >> >> I also coud find the below messages by searching "audio". >> >> Mar 26 08:51:07 alexk pulseaudio[6652]: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find >> original dlopen loader. >> Mar 26 08:51:07 alexk pulseaudio[6654]: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, >> (31, >> 31)) failed: Operation not permitted >> Mar 26 08:51:07 alexk pulseaudio[6654]: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, >> (9, >> 9)) failed: Operation not permitted >> >> Mar 26 08:51:25 alexk pulseaudio[6654]: module-x11-xsmp.c: X11 session >> manager not running. >> Mar 26 08:51:25 alexk pulseaudio[6654]: module.c: Failed to load module >> "module-x11-xsmp" (argument: ""): initialization failed. >> >> It seems something is wrong with pulseaudio... any idea or suggestion for >> this? >> >> Regards, >> Alex >> >> >> > Sorry Alex I have never seen those error messages on the 8 series of > Ubuntu. Both of my computers have fine sound using pulse audio. > > > Karl > > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 > > Dear Karl, Thanks for your help! At least, I could find it's because of pulseaudio =) You are right that it seems pulseaudio used to have this issue but not anymore because I can't find any similar cases on google after 2007. =( hum.... Regards, Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA > > Unless the server install does not use tzdata you *can* select UTC. > Execute 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' and scroll down to select > 'none of the above' and you will be able to choose GMT,GMT + or - > what ever hours you wish or UCT,UTC,Universal and Zulu. You probably > need to peruse wikipedia for technical differences between them all. > That works. As an added note: Atlantic Ocean|Reykjavik (GMT +7) is UTC. For a desktop (Gnome), the default Evolution calendar/time/date dropdown has a nice feature where you can add different location times; example I have Sydney, Tokyo, Manila, Hong Kong, (UTC) Reykjavik, San Jose. When you click the time/date icon on the panel, all are displayed & if you have a weather calendar installed, it also displays the current weather for each location just to the left of the time. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 23:00:20 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:00:20 +0700 Subject: [8.10] There is a problem with sound... In-Reply-To: References: <49CA7D01.7040204@gmail.com> <49CA9CBA.1040201@gmail.com> <49CAAF24.1030801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903251600h23aea253y5ad19446b7c658d6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/26 Alexander Dong Back Kim : > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>> >>> But this time I found something else that I didn't reported before. In >>> the >>> syslog, I could see some more error messages. >>> >>> I could find the below line by searching "sound". >>> >>> It seems something is wrong with pulseaudio... any idea or suggestion for >>> this? >>> I had the same trouble as you and it is because the good folks at Ubuntu fubarred pulse audio in both 8.10 and 8.04. Update pulseaudio as per this link; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 HTH Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From res at ausics.net Wed Mar 25 23:02:35 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:02:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > Res I seriously think that you should do some meditation and yoga and also get some regular exercise coz that oughta prevent you from getting into a such a horrible mood > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel actually I was in a good mood then, like now :) sorry not everybody conforms to your lovey dovey way of life.. it is a dog eat dog world out there. I take nothing personal on here, except when ppl say I say things when I dont, but its cool, as its out in the open now for all to see what Bart can be like, a liar, deceitful tosser, troll and hypocrite :) -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From res at ausics.net Wed Mar 25 23:06:25 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:06:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Derek Broughton wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> >> >> Res wrote: >>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>> >>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >>> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >>> yourself. >> >> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >> up getting pissed off :-) > > He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... lol anotehr one who makes assumptions when they dont me, just because i dont walk softly on cotton wool, i must be an angry pissed off person all the time? man, you people do live a sheltered life. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From res at ausics.net Wed Mar 25 23:08:08 2009 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:08:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >>> >>> Res wrote: >>>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>>> >>>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >>>> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >>>> yourself. >>> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >>> up getting pissed off :-) >> >> He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... > > And he started the thread! > > Kinda like how he starts off insulting me about stick in the posterior > then insinuates that *I'm* gay? I don't even know how that's at all > related to anything I've said on the list that he'd post such nonsense . > Unless it's something on his mind that he's making such a stretch to > reach that conclusion. > > I'm really thinkin' he has issues :-) so you still dont deny you made a deliberate false accusation... figures as much :) anyone who trusts you, would be beter off doing bussiness with satan. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 25 23:08:31 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/25/2009 12:22 PM, Aart Koelewijn wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:15:30 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:17:34 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>>> How many screens do you think you will get if you choose 1 column, 1 >>>> row? >>>> >>>> >>> The applet does not let me choose 1 column, 1 row. Does it let you? >> >> Never tried. One of the reasons I choose Linux long ago, is that it gave >> me the opportunety to use multiple screens, as I was used to do with my >> Amiga 500. I have 8 screens on my desktop, all in use, 6 on my laptop. >> Just tried on my wife's desktop, 8.04 btw. She can choose number of rows >> and number of screens. One screen works for her. Next time I fire up my >> laptop (8.10) I will try, if I remember. > > I just tried, could set number of screens and number of rows on my 8.10 > laptop. No problem setting it to just 1 screen. > Gnome - Intrepid: right click the screen icon in the top panel, select preferences, enter the amount of workspaces you want. Gnome - Hardy: Same as above except enter the number of workspaces you want in the column box - leave the Rows at 1. Both work with or without compiz. From ugly at frightenstein.com Wed Mar 25 23:20:14 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:20:14 -0400 Subject: ubuntards References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com><4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c9ada0$4104dc60$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Silverstrim" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: Re: ubuntards > Kinda like how he starts off insulting me about stick in the posterior > then insinuates that *I'm* gay? I don't even know how that's at all > related to anything I've said on the list that he'd post such nonsense . > Unless it's something on his mind that he's making such a stretch to > reach that conclusion. > > I'm really thinkin' he has issues :-) Hey, a little sexual diversity never hurt anyone. -Sean (left handed, bisexual. Still using Win2K but planning on installing Kubuntu, Edubuntu, or Slackware "real soon now") From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Mar 25 23:27:21 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:27:21 +0000 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090324081121.a9959252.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <49CABDD9.80309@tiscali.co.uk> NoOp wrote: > That works. As an added note: Atlantic Ocean|Reykjavik (GMT +7) is UTC. ^^^^^^^^^ Erm... no. GMT and UTC are the same timezone. GMT+7 is somewhere in Asia, I believe... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 00:08:05 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:08:05 -0300 Subject: devel-discuss update Message-ID: <24293579.eZdfdfTePI@cedar.serverforest.com> Last week Dotan & I promised to monitor the devel lists and post back what we saw as issues that would affect the user community. Of course, Dotan promptly got hit by Real Life, so I'm not sure if he can follow up. I've had it happen to me often enough, so I can't complain. Anyway, this is _my_ take on what's happening, and if anything slips by me - well you can read all this yourself on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss :-) It's not in any particular order, and whatever you think - please DON'T continue this thread - go to devel-discuss and post your comments/feelings there. 1) Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon This is all about the icons that Network Manager shows when connected, when not connected, when wireless is available, or not, etc. I can't say I've followed it, because I don't pay much attention to the icons until its clear I have no connectivity. The heart of the issue though appears to be the problem of displaying data about 3-5 network _types_ (wired, wifi, bluetooth, ppp, vpn) and status (connected, not-connected but available, not available) all in one tiny little icon. If it matters to you, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/thread.html#7345 2) Call for testers for K3b. Obviously this is really Kubuntu-oriented, but I know quite a few Gnome people who use it, so if you care, test the latest release. It seems a bit shaky :-) See: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/thread.html#7522 3) Use apport for reporting bugs. I can't help you much here, it's new to me too. But apparently after all the hype, Launchpad is NOT the (best) place to report bugs. apport is the tool. See: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/thread.html#7588 -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 00:17:23 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:17:23 -0700 Subject: timezone setting In-Reply-To: <49CABDD9.80309@tiscali.co.uk> References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090324081121.a9959252.dcurtis@uniserve.com> <49CABDD9.80309@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On 03/25/2009 04:27 PM, Wulfy wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> That works. As an added note: Atlantic Ocean|Reykjavik (GMT +7) is UTC. > > ^^^^^^^^^ > Erm... no. GMT and UTC are the same timezone. GMT+7 is somewhere in > Asia, I believe... > Sorry, should have been GMT +0. Thanks for the catch :-) http://www.weather.gov.hk/gts/time/time_text.htm Aberdeen,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Accra,Ghana Universal Time(UTC) Casablanca,Morocco Universal Time(UTC) Dakar,Senegal Universal Time(UTC) Edinburgh,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Glasgow,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Lisbon,Portugal Universal Time(UTC) Liverpool,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) London,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Manchester,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Newcastle,U.K. Universal Time(UTC) Rabat,Morocco Universal Time(UTC) Reykjavik,Iceland Universal Time(UTC) From ff809 at ncf.ca Thu Mar 26 00:20:04 2009 From: ff809 at ncf.ca (Brian Lunergan) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:04 -0400 Subject: Subject and OP to the dog house... In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1734293794-1237978998-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1510606944-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49CACA34.7020200@ncf.ca> Res wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, madanabhat27 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Res I seriously think that you should do some meditation and yoga and >> also get some regular exercise coz that oughta prevent you from >> getting into a such a horrible mood >> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > actually I was in a good mood then, like now :) > sorry not everybody conforms to your lovey dovey way of life.. it is a > dog eat dog world out there. I take nothing personal on here, except > when ppl say I say things when I dont, but its cool, as its out in the > open now for all to see what Bart can be like, a liar, deceitful tosser, > troll and hypocrite :) Res, nothing is out in the open but your immature and irreverent attitude. How else should we look at someone who drops a link to a site dissing beginners in Ubuntu Linux that uses a pile of excrement as its main graphic. 7th grade locker room humour at best. Not interested in accepting advice from such a person, good, bad or indifferent so Res and his subject are no longer welcome in my inbox. The list moderator can do as he/she wishes. -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 00:44:13 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:44:13 -0400 Subject: devel-discuss update In-Reply-To: <24293579.eZdfdfTePI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <24293579.eZdfdfTePI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > 3) Use apport for reporting bugs. > > I can't help you much here, it's new to me too.  But apparently after all > the hype, Launchpad is NOT the (best) place to report bugs.  apport is the > tool.  See: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-March/thread.html#7588 > Thanks for your comments Derek. I appreciate the summary re 3 - apport reports to launchpad, it just adds a bunch of handy related material when it does so. I've got a link for the mailing list faq almost ready (I saw that link mentioned elsewhere) From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 02:57:33 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:57:33 -0300 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM, NoOp wrote: > Gnome - Intrepid: right click the screen icon in the top panel, select > preferences, enter the amount of workspaces you want. > > Gnome - Hardy: Same as above except enter the number of workspaces you > want in the column box - leave the Rows at 1. > > Both work with or without compiz. Still doesn't work for me. This issue with Workspace Switcher and Compiz is indeed a bug and it is marked for expiration in 29 days if no further info is given. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/155438 and Workspace Switcher/compiz kills gnome pannel when attempting to switch work place https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/340061 -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 03:44:49 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:44:49 -0700 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/25/2009 07:57 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM, NoOp wrote: > >> Gnome - Intrepid: right click the screen icon in the top panel, select >> preferences, enter the amount of workspaces you want. >> >> Gnome - Hardy: Same as above except enter the number of workspaces you >> want in the column box - leave the Rows at 1. >> >> Both work with or without compiz. > > > > Still doesn't work for me. > > This issue with Workspace Switcher and Compiz is indeed a bug and it > is marked for expiration in 29 days if no further info is given. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/155438 > > and > > Workspace Switcher/compiz kills gnome pannel when attempting to switch > work place > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/340061 > What doesn't work for you regarding what I posted? Dotan asked: > 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the > two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the > desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount > of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. > Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it > is not. What am I doing wrong? > My instructions provide that information and it works (for me) on both Ubuntu (Gnome) Intrepid and Hardy. Does that not work for you? 340061 provides no details (including which version of Ubuntu) and is a duplicate of 155438. 155438 [Compiz - workspace switcher shrinks and workspaces do not work corectly] involves an Compiz (perhaps) issue of multiple workspace rows on the panel. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 05:40:44 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:40:44 -0300 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/25/2009 07:57 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:08 PM, NoOp wrote: >> >>> Gnome - Intrepid: right click the screen icon in the top panel, select >>> preferences, enter the amount of workspaces you want. >>> >>> Gnome - Hardy: Same as above except enter the number of workspaces you >>> want in the column box - leave the Rows at 1. >>> >>> Both work with or without compiz. >> >> >> >> Still doesn't work for me. >> >> This issue with Workspace Switcher and Compiz is indeed a bug and it >> is marked for expiration in 29 days if no further info is given. >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/155438 >> >> and >> >> Workspace Switcher/compiz kills gnome pannel when attempting to switch >> work place >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/340061 >> > > What doesn't work for you regarding what I posted? Dotan asked: > >> 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the >> two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the >> desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount >> of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. >> Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it >> is not. What am I doing wrong? >> > > My instructions provide that information and it works (for me) on both > Ubuntu (Gnome) Intrepid and Hardy. Does that not work for you? > > 340061 provides no details (including which version of Ubuntu) and is a > duplicate of 155438. > > 155438 [Compiz - workspace switcher shrinks and workspaces do not work > corectly] involves an Compiz (perhaps) issue of multiple workspace rows > on the panel. > As as said before in this thread, regarding part (4) of Dotan's original post, after testing Brian McKee's advice: "Same problem here with Workspace Switcher (8.10 i386), setting visual effects from normal to none re-enables managing." Which seems to be what the bug reports. Once Visual Effects are set to normal (driver NVidia 180) I can no longer access the full range of Workspace Switcher options (in my case at the bottom right part of the screen) , just "rows"and "columns", which seems to provide nothing. If I set Effects to none, the Switcher immediately returns to its full options (without booting). No special Compiz features enabled here, just plain normal at a plain vanilla Human-Clearlooks Gnome. The bugs are indeed duplicates because I have just set them as duplicates. Still didn't try at my 8.04 or 8.10/64. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From jjdopp2008 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 06:36:53 2009 From: jjdopp2008 at gmail.com (John) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:36:53 -0700 Subject: John sent you a private message :) Message-ID: <50fa8efb-0671-441b-a143-1cb9e2a3aa31@mxout.speeddatemail.com> John has added you as a friend Is John your friend? YES : http://www.speeddate.com/message/727818c5.html?answer=YES NO : http://www.speeddate.com/message/727818c5.html?answer=NO Click Yes if John is your friend, otherwise click No. But you have to click! ............................................................... Please do not reply directly to this email. 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Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libbtctl4 libgnomebt0 The following NEW packages will be installed: gnome-bluetooth libbtctl4 libgnomebt0 0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 217kB of archives. After this operation, 1249kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe libbtctl4 0.10.0-1ubuntu4 [26.6kB] Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe libgnomebt0 0.11.0-0ubuntu4 [26.2kB] Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe gnome-bluetooth 0.11.0-0ubuntu4 [165kB] Fetched 217kB in 1s (181kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package libbtctl4. (Reading database ... 149385 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libbtctl4 (from .../libbtctl4_0.10.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package libgnomebt0. Unpacking libgnomebt0 (from .../libgnomebt0_0.11.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package gnome-bluetooth. Unpacking gnome-bluetooth (from .../gnome-bluetooth_0.11.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... Setting up libbtctl4 (0.10.0-1ubuntu4) ... Setting up libgnomebt0 (0.11.0-0ubuntu4) ... Setting up gnome-bluetooth (0.11.0-0ubuntu4) ... Processing triggers for libc6 ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place jaunty at ubuntu:~$ gnome-bluetooth bash: gnome-bluetooth: command not found jaunty at ubuntu:~$ which !! which gnome-bluetooth jaunty at ubuntu:~$ which gnome-bluetooth jaunty at ubuntu:~$ bluetooth bash: bluetooth: command not found jaunty at ubuntu:~$ So, how can I know what command will run the app? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From owen.townend at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 07:31:23 2009 From: owen.townend at gmail.com (owen.townend at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:31:23 -0500 Subject: How to know name of newly installed application In-Reply-To: <880dece00903260020v369369dfnb9f1bf90b0aea8c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903260020v369369dfnb9f1bf90b0aea8c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5151103aaad54031fdfa2757d49df2a1@aehgts.net> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:20:25 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How can I know the name of a newly installed application? For > instance, I have installed gnome-bluetooth, but I cannot run it: > > jaunty at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-bluetooth > [sudo] password for jaunty: > Reading package lists... Done [snip] > > > So, how can I know what command will run the app? Thanks! Try this: $ dpkg -L gnome-bluetooth|grep bin dpkg -L lists all files that came with the package. also handy: $ dpkg -S This would tell you what package provided the file, if any. cheers, Owen. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Thu Mar 26 07:34:09 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:34:09 +0800 Subject: How to know name of newly installed application In-Reply-To: <880dece00903260020v369369dfnb9f1bf90b0aea8c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903260020v369369dfnb9f1bf90b0aea8c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CB2FF1.7020006@bradbury.edu.hk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > How can I know the name of a newly installed application? For > instance, I have installed gnome-bluetooth, but I cannot run it: > > jaunty at ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-bluetooth > > > So, how can I know what command will run the app? Thanks! > > Try looking up the list of files installed...that might give you an idea. dpkg -L gnome-bluetooth From kaushalshriyan at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 07:52:22 2009 From: kaushalshriyan at gmail.com (Kaushal Shriyan) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:22:22 +0530 Subject: Swap Memory or Physical RAM Message-ID: <6b16fb4c0903260052q20374e2rf09069126eb5f0fd@mail.gmail.com> Hi is there a way to find out the application using swap memory or physical ram ? For Example tomcat server. Thanks and Regards Kaushal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:39:49 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:39:49 -0700 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> <5641186.4Wlqu7jWoF@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:35:12 -0300, Derek Broughton posted: > Steve Reilly wrote: > >> some schools mandate you use what they tell you to use or you dont go. >> my niece spent over 3k (on top of the 30k tuition) on a dell piece of >> $%&# that the school told her she had to get with the schools "special >> software". in order to use the schools network you have to be using >> what they tell you to use WITH the software they tell you to use AND >> pay dearly for it to boot. > > Since I do some work for a University helpdesk - for a school that > doesn't mandate what equipment you use - I can sometimes wish we had > that policy :-) But _I_ wouldn't want to go to such a school! Oh! An IT nightmare, my condolences Derek. Given that, it's not surprising that I sometimes think your comments are brusque. :-) It's a bit like trying to help people on a mailing list or forum or newsgroup, eh? I imagine a lot of your friends think support is easy for you too, so they should be able to ask anytime they want to. From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 11:22:06 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:22:06 +0200 Subject: Gnome language layouts, multiple desktops, In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903241403q31166254xa048b1a6a0887f70@mail.gmail.com> <49C95D04.4060008@gmail.com> <880dece00903242352g5f37c1eehdf9e9eb451cff2dd@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903250617h670bd7b9ld45ed0f5ae568c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903260422j5163a60btc0f4514eaf5ee1c1@mail.gmail.com> >> Still doesn't work for me. >> >> This issue with Workspace Switcher and Compiz is indeed a bug and it >> is marked for expiration in 29 days if no further info is given. >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/155438 >> >> and >> >> Workspace Switcher/compiz kills gnome pannel when attempting to switch >> work place >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/340061 >> > > What doesn't work for you regarding what I posted? Dotan asked: > >> 4) I cannot find where to configure a single desktop as opposed to the >> two that Gnome gives me as default. Clicking Preferences from the >> desktop pager applet does not give me an option to change the amount >> of desktops, nor does anywhere else in the menus that I can find. >> Googling leads me to believe that it _should_ be in the applet but it >> is not. What am I doing wrong? >> > > My instructions provide that information and it works (for me) on both > Ubuntu (Gnome) Intrepid and Hardy. Does that not work for you? > > 340061 provides no details (including which version of Ubuntu) and is a > duplicate of 155438. > > 155438 [Compiz - workspace switcher shrinks and workspaces do not work > corectly] involves an Compiz (perhaps) issue of multiple workspace rows > on the panel. > I can confirm on Kubuntu Hardy with Gnome that the user cannot configure a single desktop with Compiz enabled. Disabling Compiz gives me an option to select the amount of workspaces. With Compiz enabled, even configuring 1 column and 1 row gives me two workspaces. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From Michael.Coll-Barth at VerizonWireless.com Thu Mar 26 11:53:59 2009 From: Michael.Coll-Barth at VerizonWireless.com (Michael.Coll-Barth at VerizonWireless.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:53:59 -0400 Subject: NUR - Bookpool Message-ID: Folks, This is Not Ubuntu Related, just Linux book related. Earlier this week, I was attempting to buy a book on Bookpool and it seems to be gone. The site was there last week, but comes up with a Network Solutions generic message. Did I miss the memo? Did they go belly up? thanks, Michael The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 00:33:25 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:33:25 -0300 Subject: Changing interface names in pppd, where is the ifname option? References: <20090324173715.GC26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1516524.2aGblSICZ9@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090325171330.GF26877@raven.wolf.lan> <1562235.F0gDSoW6sf@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090325195053.GA28616@raven.wolf.lan> Message-ID: <19362747.1sbhkGaav8@cedar.serverforest.com> Josef Wolf wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:50:24PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Josef Wolf wrote: > >> > So how do I tell udev to name the device based on the provider name? >> >> What do you mean by "provider name"? As I mentioned, it's a looong time >> since I used ppp. How do _you_ know what the provider name is in the >> first place? > > Well, it is part of the configuration: > > $ perl -ne 'print if /ppp0/../^$/' /etc/network/interfaces > iface ppp0 inet ppp > pre-up ifconfig eth1 up > post-down ifconfig eth1 down > provider TCOM1 So TCOM1, which you want to be ppp0 is always associated with eth1, and you want Some Other Provider (SOP1) to be ppp1 and associated with eth2? (or maybe eth0, but it's just easier for me if we keep incrementing the numbers :-) )? It seems, if I'm understanding you right, that we can use the MAC addresses - see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules & /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules. If the MAC address really isn't available to udev at the time of creating the ppp name, that's when invoking a script in the rule comes in - you managed to show me the appropriate 'eth' line with a little bit of perl, so you should be able to get the name you want fairly simply. It might even be as simple as adding ppp in 75-persistent-net-generator.rules: # device name whitelist KERNEL!="eth*|ath*|wlan*[0-9]|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*", It seems too easy, but I have had odder things work :-) > $ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ppp0/ ... > > looking at device '/devices/virtual/net/ppp0': Admittedly, this information is pretty sparse, but I'd be looking at what's different, and what's the same between the ppp interfaces and the eth ones. Particularly, these look interesting: > ATTR{iflink}=="7" > ATTR{ifindex}=="7" > ATTR{type}=="512" > ATTR{flags}=="0x1091" I'm afraid, without pppoe connections, it'll probably be another 9 months (when I'm hoping we get a wimax provider who _will_ be using pppoe) before I can be more help. otoh, you could be right, and ifname support might be coming... -- derek From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 26 12:14:14 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:14:14 -0400 Subject: Rsync -u option Message-ID: <49CB7196.2040705@gatech.edu> Does the rsync -u option consider mtime (modification time) or atime (access time)? I had been thinking it was mtime, but now I'm not so sure... Matt Flaschen From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 00:37:06 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:37:06 -0300 Subject: timezone setting References: <328a5cf40903232129k302bb51bqea83a3760bfabb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090324081121.a9959252.dcurtis@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <1767212.QBVc2T7ZS3@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > That works. As an added note: Atlantic Ocean|Reykjavik (GMT +7) is UTC. Reykjavik can't _possibly_ be GMT+7. GMT+7 is well into Asia. And UTC is by definition GMT+0 -- derek - GMT-3 From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 13:07:15 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:07:15 -0300 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> <5641186.4Wlqu7jWoF@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <7813090.CSY0PIbZQb@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:35:12 -0300, Derek Broughton posted: > >> Since I do some work for a University helpdesk - for a school that >> doesn't mandate what equipment you use - I can sometimes wish we had >> that policy :-) But _I_ wouldn't want to go to such a school! > > Oh! An IT nightmare, my condolences Derek. > > Given that, it's not surprising that I sometimes think your comments are > brusque. :-) It's completely different. I've got no time for people who come here _expecting_ anyone to give them solutions they can't be bothered to try to work out. But I'll dash off a quick hint. I'll go overboard for anybody who shows signs of trying to help themselves. otoh, for the university helpdesk, those are paying students who _do_ have a right to expect help, and I'm being paid (very little) to do it. Actually it's only two hours a week, and it's not the money as much as the percs :-) > It's a bit like trying to help people on a mailing list or forum or > newsgroup, eh? I imagine a lot of your friends think support is easy for > you too, so they should be able to ask anytime they want to. Living in the middle of nowhere pretty well limits the personal requests :-) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 13:01:13 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:01:13 -0300 Subject: Swap Memory or Physical RAM References: <6b16fb4c0903260052q20374e2rf09069126eb5f0fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382518.8QIqGvQ6MV@cedar.serverforest.com> Kaushal Shriyan wrote: > > is there a way to find out the application using swap memory or physical > ram ? > > For Example tomcat server. There are many ways to find out how much memory an application uses - though you can't generally get a single, simple, number for something like Tomcat as it runs multiple threads which may be sharing memory. > ps aux | egrep "tomcat|MEM" would be a good start. If you actually want to know how much of the memory it's using is actually swapped out, I think that might be impossible. -- derek From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 26 13:34:53 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:34:53 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49CB847D.6040909@chrononomicon.com> Res wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> >>>> Res wrote: >>>>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>>>> >>>>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>>>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >>>>> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >>>>> yourself. >>>> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >>>> up getting pissed off :-) >>> He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... >> And he started the thread! >> >> Kinda like how he starts off insulting me about stick in the posterior >> then insinuates that *I'm* gay? I don't even know how that's at all >> related to anything I've said on the list that he'd post such nonsense . >> Unless it's something on his mind that he's making such a stretch to >> reach that conclusion. >> >> I'm really thinkin' he has issues :-) > > so you still dont deny you made a deliberate false accusation... > figures as much :) > anyone who trusts you, would be beter off doing bussiness with satan. Nope. I found the thread I was thinking of from threads in july-august 08. Your own quote... "And yes, you wont(sic) often see m make helpful posts in public, I prefer to email my respnoses in private as i have no need to beat my chest like certain persons around here do." So if you want to be pedantic, fine, you didn't use that exact quote. But the gist of it from that and several other posts carries the same conclusion. I even found the posting that led me to believe you block people routinely in the process. I posted the error bounce I got when I tried emailing you privately, and someone else replied "Consider your self one of the lucky millions (billions?). He is a known xenophobic and also blocks emails fro most/all of Asia." So that's where I thought you were blocking me. And it's also amusing how you jump to such an extreme conclusion about me after you know I've conceded to you and others when I realize I've made mistakes on the forums. I also found a couple messages you sent publicly insulting me with unwarranted vulgarities...surprise...and really, I don't care anymore, as I don't need your approval to keep breathing. I found no apologies from you anywhere to anyone (not surprising, since you have quite an irreverent attitude in your online persona). No one deserves to be treated with a lack of human dignity the way you do, as if handing out candy at a parade. Decent, respectful people like NoOp...they have class. I seem to have found at least a couple references to you professing not to be a chest beater. NoOp...I don't see why this would offend you despite being on a private message to me, so please forgive me...after two or so messages on another thread that sounded at WORST mild, sent me an apology for the tone. I also apologized for him because I am on edge for an upcoming surgical appointment for my own part. I saw no references from him about having to make people aware of this apology. He apparently felt no need to advertise it. And he respects me enough as a person to treat me with dignity. Again...back to what I originally was saying with the analogy of the self-professed nice guy who, if he has to tell people he's a nice guy... After a trip down memory lane in the archives I really don't think you'd help me with any issue I have on Ubuntu. I don't deny you've helped others. I saw many nicely worded messages with suggestions. I also saw a lot of venom and vulgarity with very little provocation. I concluded that you wouldn't help me if I had an issue on Ubuntu if for no other reason than spite. Most of what I get from you are insults. You even sent a message directed at me when I did nothing to deserve it. If anything you'll just reply with some snarky message that confirms what I've said. It's great that you help people when you do help people. But it's terrible how you disregard others feelings and are so quick to hurl unwarranted vulgarities at others. I hope your real-world self isn't like that. There are plenty of good people here...Cyber, NoOp, Karl, among many other regulars...who are good people and have their hearts in the right place. They try to help. They try to participate in the community. And they do so without denigrating others in the process. You don't need to see the world through a "lovey dovey way of life" to treat people with the dignity and respect that just being a human being deserves. If the "world"...apparently encompassing this list...sees me as a "deceitful tosser, troll, and hypocrite", then they can feel free to let me know. So are the total number who have called me that appears to be...one. Have a nice day, Res. -Bart From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 26 13:36:43 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:36:43 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <49CB847D.6040909@chrononomicon.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <4950833.AvY1m23egs@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CA5C22.7000404@chrononomicon.com> <49CB847D.6040909@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49CB84EB.30200@chrononomicon.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Res wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>>> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>>> >>>>> Res wrote: >>>>>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>>>>> >>>>>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>>>>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >>>>>> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >>>>>> yourself. >>>>> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >>>>> up getting pissed off :-) >>>> He _always_ ends up getting pissed off... >>> And he started the thread! >>> >>> Kinda like how he starts off insulting me about stick in the posterior >>> then insinuates that *I'm* gay? I don't even know how that's at all >>> related to anything I've said on the list that he'd post such nonsense . >>> Unless it's something on his mind that he's making such a stretch to >>> reach that conclusion. >>> >>> I'm really thinkin' he has issues :-) >> so you still dont deny you made a deliberate false accusation... >> figures as much :) >> anyone who trusts you, would be beter off doing bussiness with satan. > > Nope. I found the thread I was thinking of from threads in july-august > 08. Your own quote... > "And yes, you wont(sic) often see m make helpful posts in public, I > prefer to email my respnoses in private as i have no need to beat my > chest like certain persons around here do." Whoops! My typo there with "responses", not Res's. From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Thu Mar 26 13:39:04 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:39:04 +0100 Subject: Rsync -u option In-Reply-To: <49CB7196.2040705@gatech.edu> References: <49CB7196.2040705@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49CB8578.8050202@list-post.mks-mail.de> Matthew Flaschen: > Does the rsync -u option consider mtime (modification time) or atime > (access time)? I had been thinking it was mtime, but now I'm not so sure... Judging from man rsync |-u, --update | This forces rsync to skip any files which exist on the destina‐ | tion and have a modified time that is newer than the source | file. (If an existing destination file has a modification time | equal to the source file’s, it will be updated if the sizes are | different.) it seems to me that mtime is indeed what counts (as I, too, was thinking). Regards mks From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 13:48:24 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:48:24 -0500 Subject: Rsync -u option In-Reply-To: <49CB8578.8050202@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <49CB7196.2040705@gatech.edu> <49CB8578.8050202@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903260648u6665cd5bsfcac00fe2fa83dc8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/26 Markus Schönhaber : > Matthew Flaschen: > >> Does the rsync -u option consider mtime (modification time) or atime >> (access time)?  I had been thinking it was mtime, but now I'm not so sure... > > Judging from man rsync > > |-u, --update > |       This forces rsync to skip any files which exist on the  destina‐ > |       tion  and  have  a  modified  time that is newer than the source > |       file.  (If an existing destination file has a modification  time > |       equal  to the source file’s, it will be updated if the sizes are > |       different.) > > it seems to me that mtime is indeed what counts (as I, too, was thinking). it would be easy to test -- because if rsync used atime, the second time you ran it ALL of the files would be marked for update on the destination. From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 14:41:24 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:41:24 +0100 Subject: Benchmarking my desktop Message-ID: <930ea9d10903260741l2200faaco55c5e966d60f230e@mail.gmail.com> Hello the list, I am looking for a way to benchmark my desktop, in order to make a comparison on my laptop of different DE's (XFCE, Gnome and KDE). I found some benchmarks like Phoronix test suite, but unfortunately, they don't seem to stress specifically the desktop, only the CPU/RAM/graphic card. What I would need is a tool evaluating times to open/close this DE specific applications a certain number of times, reducing/moving windows, changing workspace and so on while monitoring RAM and CPU usage. Does anyone have a link? If it doesn't exist, I could write such a test suite but I would need some hints about how to interact with applications via scripting. Launching and killing an application is easy, but how can I for instance write a few lines in a text editor window? How can I move or resize a window and time this operation? Thanks, Vincent From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Thu Mar 26 14:58:30 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:58:30 -0400 Subject: Rsync -u option In-Reply-To: <49CB8578.8050202@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <49CB7196.2040705@gatech.edu> <49CB8578.8050202@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <49CB9816.9040801@gatech.edu> Markus Schönhaber wrote: > Matthew Flaschen: > >> Does the rsync -u option consider mtime (modification time) or atime >> (access time)? I had been thinking it was mtime, but now I'm not so sure... > > Judging from man rsync > > |-u, --update > | This forces rsync to skip any files which exist on the destina‐ > | tion and have a modified time that is newer than the source > | file. (If an existing destination file has a modification time > | equal to the source file’s, it will be updated if the sizes are > | different.) > > it seems to me that mtime is indeed what counts (as I, too, was thinking). I plead guilty to only half RTFM this time. /ed over (searched in most pager) to the first -u with an explanation, but failed to notice that it was under "OPTIONS SUMMARY" (and the detailed option was later). Thank you. Matt Flaschen From kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 09:37:42 2009 From: kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com (kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:37:42 +0000 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Res I suggest that you should do some yoga and meditation and also regular exercise coz that ought to calm you down Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: Res Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: ubuntards On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Res wrote: >> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >> >> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >> yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on you. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:22:53 2009 From: kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com (kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:22:53 +0000 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1659544417-1237977206-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-292958555-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Res I seriously think that you oughta do some yoga and meditation and also get some regular exercise coz it'll calm you down Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: Res Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: ubuntards On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Res wrote: >> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >> >> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact your >> actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up to >> yourself. > > Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end > up getting pissed off :-) you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on you. -- Res -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From renjuindia at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 02:29:14 2009 From: renjuindia at gmail.com (renju john) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:59:14 +0530 Subject: installation help Message-ID: <9e2e82820903251929y303691a2jcaa2a0359b750a29@mail.gmail.com> I have downloaded & burn that ubantu image to a CD what is he next procedure to set up ubantu in my system? 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From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 15:50:12 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:50:12 +0000 Subject: installation help In-Reply-To: <9e2e82820903251929y303691a2jcaa2a0359b750a29@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e2e82820903251929y303691a2jcaa2a0359b750a29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1304872483-1238082614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-688246901-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Have you tried looking through https://help.ubuntu.com ? Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: renju john Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:59:14 To: Subject: installation help -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From rick0009 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 17:40:39 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But Message-ID: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its ready to replace my Vista Desktop. There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can change my Desktop OS. *1a.* With Audio, been using Windows Media Player, and foobar...all has been great, Since, I only rip in Lossless formats like .WMA lossless or .Flac Lossless, I can covert to any other format if need be, also Windows Media Player (Library/JukeBox) has no problems, with 32,000+ songs. Using Windows Media Player, I can grab 12 or more songs, from different CD's, and BURN my own Audio Mix, they come out perfect, *referring to quality and sound levels, when switching from track to track...* Windows Media Player, adds sound leveling to the CD when the .wma lossless file, gets UN-Compressed.... I've done this, about a few hundred's time, and works like a charm... i.e. ( grab some Dido, Sarah McLachlan, Smith, ...etc) and make a all Girl Vocal Disk. all in a couple of clicks. *1b. * Now, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can match this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain. *-------------* *2a.* Video, I have a massive collection of Video Format Movies, in .mkv, .avi, .mov, .mp4...etc Now, Windows Media Player (Stinks) for playback, so I have install "The KMPlayer" **: /The KMPlayer is a video and audio player for Microsoft Windows which can play a large number of formats such as VCD, DVD, AVI, MKV, Ogg, OGM, 3GP, MPEG-1/2/4, WMV, RealMedia, FLV and QuickTime among others. It handles a wide range of subtitles and allows one to capture audio, video, and screenshots. The player provides both internal and external filters with a fully controlled environment in terms of connections to other splitters, decoders, audio/video transform filters and renderers without grappling with the DirectShow merit system. Interestingly, it is said that internal filters are not registered with a user's system to keep it from being messed up with system filters./ ** Play any kind of Video Format, is a breeze with this player, install it and your done, playing video with subtitles, (anime) works like a charm, to skipping or timing issues... heck, this app can even enhance the video quality as well as audio quality too. So, with a 500 GB Drive full of Vids, I do have some concerns... it would be nice, if there where just a few standards... but that's not the case *2b*. So, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can match this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain *------------* *3a*. Photography & Photo Scanning & Photo Editing, Now, Yes I do use Photoshop... installed works great... Now I have played with Gimp, But lets get real shall we... *3b*. Now Does Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything that can match Photoshop and or beat it ? ( Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain (I do allot of photo manipulation ) yes layers... filters..etc..etc.. ( started doing stitching for panorama shots) *---------* Thank You for your Time. Regards- Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 18:03:20 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:03:20 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 10:40 AM, Richard wrote: > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. > There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can > change my Desktop OS. "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 26 18:06:42 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:06:42 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> Richard wrote: > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. > There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can > change my Desktop OS. You seem to have some very specific needs and have a routine set up under which you may be comfortable...why are you looking to switch? For our purposes, by and large, Linux...Ubuntu in particular...meets our needs and workflow. When you're asking about video formats, ripping audio, photo editing...well, I've been able to do things well enough. But when you have a list so specific then changing the OS may mean changes that you'd be uncomfortable with, so telling you, "Sure, XYZ can do that..just use ABC!" may just lead you to be mad at the person giving the advice if for some reason you can't adjust to the changes or the software doesn't meet your expectations. You are obviously very concerned about these issues since you spent a lot of time crafting your questions and concerns in the post. I didn't see *why* you want to dump your current platform, though, if you have a system in place with which you were comfortable. My advice is to see if you can get an inexpensive second system and install Ubuntu on that. leaving your current system intact in case, and you can see how well Ubuntu fits your workstyle. If you can't do that, try installing a backup program like "Macrium Reflect" and create an image of your system to an external drive from which you can restore and you can then install Ubuntu on your main workstation. It's free for personal use. Alternatively I believe you can try Wubi to run Linux in your Windows environment. I don't know the details, you may have to google for info, but it will give you a safety net while seeing if the move is what you really want to do. Anyway, that's my advice on the issue. If you don't have a compelling reason to leave the environment you're already comfortable in, I'd really encourage you to give a lot of thought to it, especially if you depend on your computer for income of some sort... From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 18:12:14 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:12:14 -0600 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice Message-ID: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> On Thunderbird I have message filters putting email in the proper directory. The new problem is it delivers 2 copies of each message to some directories. It is just getting worse, there are 2 directories now that have this problem. I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what they did? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Thu Mar 26 18:16:51 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:16:51 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> Richard wrote: > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. > There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can > change my Desktop OS. > > > *1a.* With Audio, been using Windows Media Player, and foobar...all > has been great, > Since, I only rip in Lossless formats like .WMA lossless or .Flac Lossless, > I can covert to any other format if need be, also Windows Media Player > (Library/JukeBox) has no problems, > with 32,000+ songs. > > Using Windows Media Player, I can grab 12 or more songs, from different > CD's, and BURN my own Audio Mix, > they come out perfect, *referring to quality and sound levels, when > switching from track to track...* Windows Media Player, > adds sound leveling to the CD when the .wma lossless file, gets > UN-Compressed.... I've done this, about a few hundred's time, > and works like a charm... i.e. ( grab some Dido, Sarah McLachlan, Smith, > ...etc) and make a all Girl Vocal Disk. > all in a couple of clicks. > > *1b. * Now, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can > match this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain. Of course it can do all that. I ONLY use Linux. I can convert from any format to any other format (including the dreaded M4B files in linux. You only have 32,000+ songs? I have 1.2TB of MP3, ogg and flac files at home and while I can catalog all that in Amarok if I want, I run icecast in the house from my MP3 jukebox server. K3B can burn any mix of songs you want. There are others, but it's my favorite. I believe Amarok does sound levelling, I use Audacity for that. Seriously, there's nothing here that apps in linux can't do that Windows can. It's not so much about having a 'clone' app for these things. IE there's no direct linux version of WMP but then who really wants that? :) > > *-------------* > > *2a.* Video, I have a massive collection of Video Format Movies, in > .mkv, .avi, .mov, .mp4...etc > Now, Windows Media Player (Stinks) for playback, so I have install "The > KMPlayer" > > **: /The KMPlayer is a video and audio player for Microsoft > Windows which can play a large number of formats such as VCD, DVD, AVI, > MKV, Ogg, OGM, 3GP, MPEG-1/2/4, WMV, RealMedia, FLV and QuickTime among > others. It handles a wide range of subtitles and allows one to capture > audio, video, and screenshots. > > The player provides both internal and external filters with a fully > controlled environment in terms of connections to other splitters, > decoders, audio/video transform filters and renderers without grappling > with the DirectShow merit system. Interestingly, it is said that > internal filters are not registered with a user's system to keep it from > being messed up with system filters./ ** > > Play any kind of Video Format, is a breeze with this player, install it > and your done, playing video with subtitles, (anime) works like a charm, > to skipping or timing issues... heck, this app can even enhance the > video quality as well as audio quality too. > > So, with a 500 GB Drive full of Vids, I do have some concerns... it > would be nice, if there where just a few standards... but that's not the > case > > > *2b*. So, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can > match this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain What do we need to match exactly? KMplayer works fine, VLC as well. You name it, there are dozens of damn good video players. I have just over a TB of vids at home that I convert to MP4 or DVD format as needed depending on what I need. I don't see this as a problem either. > > *------------* > > *3a*. Photography & Photo Scanning & Photo Editing, > Now, Yes I do use Photoshop... installed works great... Now I have > played with Gimp, But lets get real shall we... > > *3b*. Now Does Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything that can match > Photoshop and or beat it ? ( Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain > (I do allot of photo manipulation ) yes layers... filters..etc..etc.. ( > started doing stitching for panorama shots) I know a LOT of people who gave up PS when they found how powerful GIMP really is. No, it's not a PS clone. It wasn't meant to be. None of the apps in linux are meant to be direct button for button replacements for windows versions. But that doesn't mean they aren't as good or better (OpenOffice anyone?) than their Windows counterparts. That said if you MUST have PS, run it in WINE. It works very well IIRC. What I really gather from your email is that you want to install linux and waltz into these apps and use them just like you do with your Windows versions. That attitude is likely to cause you problems simply because linux is NOT Windows. It has it's own way of doing things that you may or may not like at first. But going in with the mindset that it will work just like Windows will cause you to give up quickly and hate linux for being 'crappy' or 'not windows'. I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in knowing that and being patient. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Thu Mar 26 18:21:05 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:21:05 +0100 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > Richard wrote: > > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. Hmmm... in your case, I would install Linux, then create a Window Virtual machine. This way you get all the technical benefits of a Linux host system, while still using your existing Windows programs. Then you can investige Linux programs, evaluate if they meet your requirements, and progressively move your work from your Windows VM to the Linux host. Or if you could take a "safer" (from your perspective), but degraded version of this scheme: run a Linux virtual machine inside your existing Windows environement, and evaluate Linux and its apps from there. This way you only switch to Linux if and when you are 100% sure that Linux can do what you want. To use virtual machines, there is mainly "VirtualBox" (free software), and "VMware" (which is proprietary). -- Vince From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Thu Mar 26 18:32:55 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:32:55 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CBCA57.9010209@chrononomicon.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> Richard wrote: >>> Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its >>> ready to replace my Vista Desktop. > > Hmmm... in your case, I would install Linux, then create a Window > Virtual machine. This way you get all the technical benefits of a Linux > host system, while still using your existing Windows programs. > Then you can investige Linux programs, evaluate if they meet your > requirements, and progressively move your work from your Windows VM to > the Linux host. > Or if you could take a "safer" (from your perspective), but degraded > version of this scheme: run a Linux virtual machine inside your > existing Windows environement, and evaluate Linux and its apps from > there. This way you only switch to Linux if and when you are > 100% sure that Linux can do what you want. > > To use virtual machines, there is mainly "VirtualBox" (free software), > and "VMware" (which is proprietary). With a learning curve, there's also the VMware converter to change a physical PC into a virtual computer, if he wants to try it and see if it'll maintain his current environment. Not recommended without a tech-type person around to help with the migration, though, in my experiences. And, of course, he'd need a drive to store the VM and installation of VMWare. -Bart From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 18:46:35 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:46:35 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 11:16 AM, Mark Haney wrote: ... > What I really gather from your email is that you want to install linux > and waltz into these apps and use them just like you do with your > Windows versions. That attitude is likely to cause you problems simply > because linux is NOT Windows. It has it's own way of doing things that > you may or may not like at first. But going in with the mindset that it > will work just like Windows will cause you to give up quickly and hate > linux for being 'crappy' or 'not windows'. > > I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) > or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much > farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in > knowing that and being patient. Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: http://wubi-installer.org/ http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php From ajj9 at case.edu Thu Mar 26 18:53:17 2009 From: ajj9 at case.edu (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:53:17 -0400 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice In-Reply-To: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> References: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CBCF1D.4090107@case.edu> I had this problem when I had it set to leave email on Gmail. When I changed the setting to not leave copies on the server the problem went away. Andy Johnson Karl F. Larsen wrote: > On Thunderbird I have message filters putting email in the proper > directory. The new problem is it delivers 2 copies of each message to > some directories. It is just getting worse, there are 2 directories now > that have this problem. > > I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave > the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what they > did? > > > Karl > From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Mar 26 18:54:40 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:54:40 +0100 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard wrote: [...many questions about what Linux can do] Richard, thanks much for your catalog of requirements. Just one counterquestion: what is the exact reason you are trying to dump windows? Kind regards Eberhard From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 26 19:03:52 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:03:52 -0500 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <20090326140352.5354dd64@WizardsTower> NoOp said: > On 03/26/2009 11:16 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > ... > > What I really gather from your email is that you want to install > > linux and waltz into these apps and use them just like you do with > > your Windows versions. That attitude is likely to cause you > > problems simply because linux is NOT Windows. It has it's own way > > of doing things that you may or may not like at first. But going > > in with the mindset that it will work just like Windows will cause > > you to give up quickly and hate linux for being 'crappy' or 'not > > windows'. > > > > I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any > > distro) or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before > > going much farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best > > if you go in knowing that and being patient. > > Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: > > http://wubi-installer.org/ > http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php > Or (my preferred method) install a second hard drive and put Ubuntu on that, dual-booting until you get up to speed with Linux. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 19:04:32 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:04:32 -0600 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice In-Reply-To: <49CBCF1D.4090107@case.edu> References: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> <49CBCF1D.4090107@case.edu> Message-ID: <49CBD1C0.4060208@gmail.com> Andrew Johnson wrote: > I had this problem when I had it set to leave email on Gmail. When I > changed the setting to not leave copies on the server the problem went away. > > Andy Johnson > > > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> On Thunderbird I have message filters putting email in the proper >> directory. The new problem is it delivers 2 copies of each message to >> some directories. It is just getting worse, there are 2 directories now >> that have this problem. >> >> I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave >> the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what they >> did? >> >> >> Karl >> >> > > Thank you Andrew. I had it set to save a copy but when I looked it was set to not save a copy and not use POP3 or anything! I have it re-set and will check it again and agin until it stays in the right setting :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 26 19:05:36 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:05:36 -0500 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice In-Reply-To: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> References: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090326140536.5833a536@WizardsTower> "Karl F. Larsen" said: > I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave > the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what > they did? > > Karl Perhaps a gmail help list would be of more assistance to you in this since gmail is /not/ a Ubuntu program, nor even Ubuntu-supported. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 18:38:18 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:38:18 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/26/2009 10:40 AM, Richard wrote: >> Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its >> ready to replace my Vista Desktop. >> There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can >> change my Desktop OS. > > "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Gimme a break. He's asking for specific recommendations for software that can do what he wants. Beats me, because I don't do _any_ of those things, to any great extent, but where else to ask if Ubuntu can do it? -- derek From klarsen1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 19:16:43 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:16:43 -0600 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice In-Reply-To: <20090326140536.5833a536@WizardsTower> References: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> <20090326140536.5833a536@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49CBD49B.7070208@gmail.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > "Karl F. Larsen" said: > >> I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave >> the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what >> they did? >> >> Karl >> > > Perhaps a gmail help list would be of more assistance to you in this > since gmail is /not/ a Ubuntu program, nor even Ubuntu-supported. > > Cybe R. Wizard > Thanks for your opinion. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From sambitbikaspal at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 19:22:38 2009 From: sambitbikaspal at gmail.com (Sambit Bikas Pal) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:52:38 +0530 Subject: network usage software on my gateway In-Reply-To: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49C88B9B.90504@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <8b27b1a40903261222v266904deuf537bc090f6f10df@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:58, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > ...... I look for a very good and clever software in order to detect traffic > kind. > You can try "bandwidthd", it's there in the repo. You can see the thing in action here: http://124.124.205.98/bw Hope it helps. -- Sambit Bikas Pal MS 3rd Year Indian Institute Of Science Education & Research Kolkata, HC 7, Sector-III Salt Lake, Kolkata-700106 Web: http://www.botcyb.org OpenPGP Key: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8E57F8B897D372B3 From david3333333 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:24:01 2009 From: david3333333 at gmail.com (David McNally) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:24:01 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91b973500903261324q646ae37fh2a22b98485bfa461@mail.gmail.com> Hi Richard (and everyone else). I completely switched from Windows Vista to Ubuntu about a year ago. From what you're saying, you do a lot of things on your Windows machine that I used to do in Windows. Since then, listening to music, watching videos, photo editing, and most of the other things that I did in Windows have actually been _easier_ than they were in Windows. There are open-source alternatives to nearly everything for Windows, and Wine is great for the few programs that don't have open alternatives. Just like you said, I also have tons of videos, and I need a good media player that plays every codec that I can think of. I also needed a good music player that could burn and rip CDs just as well as Windows Media Player, and that was easy to use. I also needed something to edit my photos, because I have tons of pictures. When I started using Ubuntu, I found that there are usually several options, and it's easy to try all of them and see what you can do with them. If you find more than one program (and you will most of the time), it's a good idea to try them all out. An important thing to remember is that learning how to do everything in Ubuntu is, at first, a bit tricky. It'll take you a couple days to get completely used to living on Ubuntu. You'll get used to it after about a week. If it starts to seem too difficult and you want to switch back to Windows, remember that, just like switching from training wheels to a two-wheeler, it's confusing and difficult and tricky for a little while, but it becomes really easy really fast. In general, Ubuntu comes with some pretty good programs for doing those kinds of tasks. There are plenty more in the repositories, but the programs that come with Ubuntu should be good enough for most things. If you want something better, head over to the repos and see what's there. And Ubuntu is way better than Vista at just about everything. David 2009/3/26 Richard > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its ready > to replace my Vista Desktop. > There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can change > my Desktop OS. > > > *1a.* With Audio, been using Windows Media Player, and foobar...all has > been great, > Since, I only rip in Lossless formats like .WMA lossless or .Flac Lossless, > > I can covert to any other format if need be, also Windows Media Player > (Library/JukeBox) has no problems, > with 32,000+ songs. > > Using Windows Media Player, I can grab 12 or more songs, from different > CD's, and BURN my own Audio Mix, > they come out perfect, *referring to quality and sound levels, when > switching from track to track...* Windows Media Player, > adds sound leveling to the CD when the .wma lossless file, gets > UN-Compressed.... I've done this, about a few hundred's time, > and works like a charm... i.e. ( grab some Dido, Sarah McLachlan, Smith, > ...etc) and make a all Girl Vocal Disk. > all in a couple of clicks. > > *1b. * Now, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can > match this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain. > > *-------------* > > *2a.* Video, I have a massive collection of Video Format Movies, in > .mkv, .avi, .mov, .mp4...etc > Now, Windows Media Player (Stinks) for playback, so I have install "The > KMPlayer" > > **: *The KMPlayer is a video and audio player for Microsoft Windows > which can play a large number of formats such as VCD, DVD, AVI, MKV, Ogg, > OGM, 3GP, MPEG-1/2/4, WMV, RealMedia, FLV and QuickTime among others. It > handles a wide range of subtitles and allows one to capture audio, video, > and screenshots. > > The player provides both internal and external filters with a fully > controlled environment in terms of connections to other splitters, decoders, > audio/video transform filters and renderers without grappling with the > DirectShow merit system. Interestingly, it is said that internal filters are > not registered with a user's system to keep it from being messed up with > system filters.* ** > > Play any kind of Video Format, is a breeze with this player, install it and > your done, playing video with subtitles, (anime) works like a charm, > to skipping or timing issues... heck, this app can even enhance the video > quality as well as audio quality too. > > So, with a 500 GB Drive full of Vids, I do have some concerns... it would > be nice, if there where just a few standards... but that's not the case > > > *2b*. So, DOES Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything, that can match > this ? (Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain > > *------------* > > *3a*. Photography & Photo Scanning & Photo Editing, > Now, Yes I do use Photoshop... installed works great... Now I have played > with Gimp, But lets get real shall we... > > *3b*. Now Does Ubuntu (or any other linux) offer Anything that can match > Photoshop and or beat it ? ( Yes or NO) if Yes, please explain > (I do allot of photo manipulation ) yes layers... filters..etc..etc.. ( > started doing stitching for panorama shots) > > *---------* > > > Thank You for your Time. > > > Regards- > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- David McNally david3333333 at gmail.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rick0009 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:34:04 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:34:04 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CBE6BC.2040009@gmail.com> On 3/26/2009 2:54 PM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Richard wrote: > [...many questions about what Linux can do] > > > Richard, > > thanks much for your catalog of requirements. > > Just one counterquestion: > what is the exact reason you are trying to dump windows? > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > > Running too many anti-this and anti-that to keep Vista clean, plus some of the updates of late, has cause some more grief, they say a fix in SP2 for vista... but I not holding my breath. Richard From rick0009 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:37:22 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:37:22 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <20090326140352.5354dd64@WizardsTower> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <20090326140352.5354dd64@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49CBE782.2090602@gmail.com> On 3/26/2009 3:03 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > NoOp said: > >> On 03/26/2009 11:16 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >> ... >> >>> What I really gather from your email is that you want to install >>> linux and waltz into these apps and use them just like you do with >>> your Windows versions. That attitude is likely to cause you >>> problems simply because linux is NOT Windows. It has it's own way >>> of doing things that you may or may not like at first. But going >>> in with the mindset that it will work just like Windows will cause >>> you to give up quickly and hate linux for being 'crappy' or 'not >>> windows'. >>> >>> I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any >>> distro) or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before >>> going much farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best >>> if you go in knowing that and being patient. >>> >> Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: >> >> http://wubi-installer.org/ >> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php >> >> > Or (my preferred method) install a second hard drive and put Ubuntu on > that, dual-booting until you get up to speed with Linux. > > Cybe R. Wizard > I do have a second drive, and have play with linux ubuntu 5.10 ? but it was not there... I just did want to go threw the hassle of doing a second install, on the second drive, if THERE is NO way, that Linux can meet my requirements as mention. Regards - Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick0009 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:39:38 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:39:38 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CBE80A.1070202@gmail.com> On 3/26/2009 2:21 PM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> Richard wrote: >> >>> Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its >>> ready to replace my Vista Desktop. >>> > > Hmmm... in your case, I would install Linux, then create a Window > Virtual machine. This way you get all the technical benefits of a Linux > host system, while still using your existing Windows programs. > Then you can investige Linux programs, evaluate if they meet your > requirements, and progressively move your work from your Windows VM to > the Linux host. > Or if you could take a "safer" (from your perspective), but degraded > version of this scheme: run a Linux virtual machine inside your > existing Windows environement, and evaluate Linux and its apps from > there. This way you only switch to Linux if and when you are > 100% sure that Linux can do what you want. > > To use virtual machines, there is mainly "VirtualBox" (free software), > and "VMware" (which is proprietary). > > -- > Vince > > Vince, would the VirtualBox software handle my vista ultimate 32bit OEM DVD disk for install ? second, is there any dragging and dropping between Vista and Linux windows ? Thanks! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I have seen the boot screen whenever I run off of a LiveCD. I haven't run a LiveCD since I installed the computer, but I figured someone might ask me if it worked when I did that, so I tried booting off a LiveCD and the boot screen showed up like normal. I figure that there has to be something to fix this, but I can't imagine what it is; maybe there's something I can put into the terminal to fix it. I just don't know what it is, though. Thanks in advance, David -- David McNally david3333333 at gmail.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a24061 at ducksburg.com Thu Mar 26 20:37:01 2009 From: a24061 at ducksburg.com (Adam Funk) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:37:01 +0000 Subject: Skype- 'problem with audio playback' References: <20090326162441.BRI94000@ms13.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: On 2009-03-26, wrote: > This error is common here, and I have difficulty connecting > to other users. That is, I usually cannot. Can they be > related? Am I ok here, instead of some Skype list? Go to "Options" then "Sound Devices" and try changing the "Sound Out" pulldown menu until it works. (If you get the "problem with audio capture" message, try the same for "Sound In".) I sometimes get this problem after a distribution upgrade or if I've been fiddling with a USB sound device since the last time I ran Skype. HTH. From eqisow at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 20:54:19 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:54:19 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Richard, Don't be a dick. Sincerely, Ubuntu Users List P.S. - Really, read what you've written. It's aggressive and confrontational. Everybody here has been exceptionally nice and helpful. 2009/3/26 Richard > On 3/26/2009 2:38 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > NoOp wrote: > > > > On 03/26/2009 10:40 AM, Richard wrote: > > > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. > There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can > change my Desktop OS. > > > "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Gimme a break. He's asking for specific recommendations for software that > can do what he wants. Beats me, because I don't do _any_ of those things, > to any great extent, but where else to ask if Ubuntu can do it? > > > Thanks Derek, > > Thats why I ask... BEFORE, I did anything.. > > Thanks! > Richard > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:00:17 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:00:17 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE > NOT fully operational. I have an Aspire One (zg5 aoa150 came windows, 160gig ide drive). I'm running Hardy. Sound is flakey (works one time, not the next - no rhyme nor reason) Had to self compile alsa to get it working at all. Card reader slot on left isn't working. Slot on right is (IIRC) It complains it isn't suspending right, but actually seems to be, so maybe the message is in error? (haven't chased it) Latest kernel update (-23?4?) seems to crash it on boot every time, but one previous always works. Haven't chased that either. Cheese doesn't work if Compiz is on. Dunno if that means webcam doesn't work with Compiz - I've only ever tried it with Cheese. Without Compiz Cheese works perfect. I gather Intrepid works quite a bit better. I've left it Hardy for now to make it the same as the desktops at work. One of these days I'll install Jaunty (triple boot) or Easy Peasey and see how that is. I know that sounds pretty negative, but in spite of all that, I really like it for what I use it for. FWIW, it seems like the Dell works very well with Linux, but it's $$$ (kinda defeats the point to me) IIRC, the Sylvania (Samsung? this is off the top of my head) seems to be the best supported out of the box. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne for more info. Brian From harry at jonesnose.com Thu Mar 26 21:01:27 2009 From: harry at jonesnose.com (Harry L. Lee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:01:27 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <492c86b10903261401i75f6a4f7xb9e402c937c81540@mail.gmail.com> i run 8.10 on a 1000he. the wired lan does not work from the cd, and i use ndiswrap for wifi. the wired lan does ultimately work once the install is complete On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE > NOT fully operational. > > Thank you in advance, > Nik N. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- harry at jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:harry at jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) (this is actually the cel, but appears to work) From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:06:04 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:06:04 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 Message-ID: Hi All I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff back. What's the best way to do that? I tried MediaTomb as it advertises itself as a uPNP server, but it looks like it doesn't output to an Xbox360, just a PS3. uShare (that comes with GeexBox) says it runs in ram, so I'm pretty sure it'd choke on my mp3 collection. Suggestions please? Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:07:25 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:07:25 -0400 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/26 David McNally : > Hi everyone! > > I only noticed this a few days ago, but my Ubuntu computer has never shown > me the boot screen (where it says "Ubuntu" at the top with the Ubuntu logo > next to it, and with the bar that fills up with orange as it loads more). What do you see? Is it blank or do you get text running by? Do you have usplash installed ? Brian From david3333333 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:16:12 2009 From: david3333333 at gmail.com (David McNally) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:16:12 -0400 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91b973500903261416g74ea373crd87f84dc20b9d185@mail.gmail.com> Hi again. First it says that GRUB is loading, then the screen turns completely black for about 45 seconds, and then the login screen appears. I don't see any text as it is loading. I checked in Synaptic, and usplash is installed, so it's still not working. Thanks, David On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > 2009/3/26 David McNally : > > Hi everyone! > > > > I only noticed this a few days ago, but my Ubuntu computer has never > shown > > me the boot screen (where it says "Ubuntu" at the top with the Ubuntu > logo > > next to it, and with the bar that fills up with orange as it loads more). > > What do you see? Is it blank or do you get text running by? > > Do you have usplash installed ? > > Brian > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- David McNally david3333333 at gmail.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cl at isbd.net Thu Mar 26 21:21:47 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:21:47 +0000 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261416g74ea373crd87f84dc20b9d185@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> <91b973500903261416g74ea373crd87f84dc20b9d185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090326212147.GA27557@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 05:16:12PM -0400, David McNally wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > > 2009/3/26 David McNally : > > Hi everyone! > > > > I only noticed this a few days ago, but my Ubuntu computer has never > shown > > me the boot screen (where it says "Ubuntu" at the top with the Ubuntu > logo > > next to it, and with the bar that fills up with orange as it loads more). > > What do you see? Is it blank or do you get text running by? > > Do you have usplash installed ? > > First it says that GRUB is loading, then the screen turns completely black for > about 45 seconds, and then the login screen appears. I don't see any text as it > is loading. > > I checked in Synaptic, and usplash is installed, so it's still not working. > I'd guess that the splash screen is trying to use a resolution that your screen doesn't support. What is in /etc/usplash.conf? Anyway you're not missing much! :-) -- Chris Green From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Thu Mar 26 21:22:48 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:22:48 -0400 Subject: Strange mouse behaviour Message-ID: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> My son must have set something incorrectly but for the life of me I don't know what or even how to describe what is happening clearly. Within a window, say Firefox, if the left mouse button is depressed, the cursor turns into the four arrow keys and the movement of the mouse just moves the window. Just like it would do it the title bar were selected and dragged around. It happens no matter where the cursor is within the window. Clicking the left mouse button on a menu, like System drop down menu still works as normal. I hope I've described the problem clearly enough for someone to offer a fix. Thanks, Keith From cr33dog at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:23:35 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:23:35 -0500 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261416g74ea373crd87f84dc20b9d185@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> <91b973500903261416g74ea373crd87f84dc20b9d185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/26 David McNally : > Hi again. > > First it says that GRUB is loading, then the screen turns completely black > for about 45 seconds, and then the login screen appears. I don't see any > text as it is loading. > > I checked in Synaptic, and usplash is installed, so it's still not working. It's likely that usplash is using a resolution that your screen refuses to display. What does your /etc/uspash.conf contain, and what res do you normally use on your monitor/screen? Chris From jonathan at hirschman.net Thu Mar 26 21:44:59 2009 From: jonathan at hirschman.net (Jonathan Hirschman) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:44:59 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CBF75B.3030204@hirschman.net> Brian McKee wrote: > Hi All > > I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. > I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff > back. What's the best way to do that? Have you looked at TwonkyMedia? It is payware, but it runs on Linux, and it is supposed to be Xbox 360 compatible. See: http://www.twonkyvision.de/buy_server.html They have a 30 day free trial. From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:46:15 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:46:15 -0300 Subject: Skype- 'problem with audio playback' In-Reply-To: References: <20090326162441.BRI94000@ms13.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Adam Funk wrote: > On 2009-03-26, wrote: > >> This error is common here, and I have difficulty connecting >> to other users. That is, I usually cannot. Can they be >>  related? Am I ok here, instead of some Skype list? > > Go to "Options" then "Sound Devices" and try changing the "Sound Out" > pulldown menu until it works. > > (If you get the "problem with audio capture" message, try the same for > "Sound In".) > > I sometimes get this problem after a distribution upgrade or if I've > been fiddling with a USB sound device since the last time I ran Skype. > > HTH. Perhaps you could try to update PulseAudio through the link provided in this previous posting: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/178567.html -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Thu Mar 26 21:47:14 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:47:14 +0100 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBE80A.1070202@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CBE80A.1070202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090326224714.2ed0ef47.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:39:38 -0400 Richard wrote: > Vince, would the VirtualBox software handle my vista ultimate 32bit OEM > DVD disk for install ? I don't know about Vista, I have not a copy of it. However a month ago, I downloaded the Beta of Windows Seven, and VirtualBox installed and ran it just fine. So since Vista is much older, presumably it works fine as well. > second, is there any dragging and dropping between Vista and Linux windows ? Can't tell about Vista, as the only Windows VM I have uses XP. However I just did a quick test and it seems drag and drop doesn't work. Copy/Paste works, but not drag/drop. -- Vince From woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 21:53:20 2009 From: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net (Dave Woyciesjes) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:53:20 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CBF950.5030702@sbcglobal.net> (Fixed posting order, to bottom-posting style...) Justin wrote: >> 2009/3/26 Richard > >> >> On 3/26/2009 2:38 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> NoOp wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 03/26/2009 10:40 AM, Richard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its >>>>> ready to replace my Vista Desktop. >>>>> There are a few factors, that would need to be address, before I can >>>>> change my Desktop OS. >>>>> >>>> "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" >>>> >>>> >>> Gimme a break. He's asking for specific recommendations for software that >>> can do what he wants. Beats me, because I don't do _any_ of those things, >>> to any great extent, but where else to ask if Ubuntu can do it? >>> >> Thanks Derek, >> >> Thats why I ask... BEFORE, I did anything.. >> >> Thanks! >> Richard >> > Dear Richard, > > Don't be a dick. > > Sincerely, > > Ubuntu Users List > > P.S. - Really, read what you've written. It's aggressive and > confrontational. Everybody here has been exceptionally nice and > helpful. > Justin - Actually, he wasn't being a dick, nor confrontational. He just asked some well thought out detailed questions. Your message is the one that was confrontational, and you were the one being a dick. Oh, and your last sentence need correction.. "Everybody" would not be the right word to use, considering your reply. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss From rlp1938 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 22:26:27 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:26:27 +0700 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <492c86b10903261401i75f6a4f7xb9e402c937c81540@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> <492c86b10903261401i75f6a4f7xb9e402c937c81540@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903261526q4ed2b47fp9f730f93d87e3ffc@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Harry L. Lee wrote: > i run 8.10 on a 1000he. the wired lan does not work from the cd, and i > use ndiswrap for wifi. the wired lan does ultimately work once the > install is complete > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nik N wrote: >> If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either >> Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I >> would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model >> netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE >> NOT fully operational. Maybe not quite what you asked for but I have installed eeebuntu (8.10) on my eeepc 701 without any problems except that I had to adjust pulseaudio. Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 23:02:25 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:02:25 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: >> I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) >> or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much >> farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in >> knowing that and being patient. > > Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: That's really not true. It installs _via_ a windows program, into a loopback filesystem in an NTFS file, but when you boot you're booting a full Linux system without any hint of Windows (from the Windows boot manager). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 22:55:31 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:55:31 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <11086448.7g5bSRkaSg@cedar.serverforest.com> Mark Haney wrote: > Of course it can do all that. I ONLY use Linux. I can convert from any > format to any other format (including the dreaded M4B files in linux. > You only have 32,000+ songs? I have 1.2TB of MP3, ogg and flac files at > home and while I can catalog all that in Amarok if I want, I run icecast > in the house from my MP3 jukebox server. Nice to hear. As I noted, I don't have anything like that much multimedia content - primarily because I don't have the bandwidth to download it. Given that I hope to have the bandwidth later this year (but don't expect to get anywhere near terabytes) I was interested in the response. > K3B can burn any mix of songs you want. There are others, but it's my > favorite. Mine too. > > I believe Amarok does sound levelling, I use Audacity for that. Nobody will ever figure out everything Amarok does, because there's always a new script/plugin! I hadn't heard it could do sound levelling, and use Audacity for that :-) > > Seriously, there's nothing here that apps in linux can't do that Windows > can. It's not so much about having a 'clone' app for these things. IE > there's no direct linux version of WMP but then who really wants that? :) There's very, very, few things you _can't_ do in Linux that you can do in Windows. The few times there's an issue it's usually a question of whether you can do it _easily_ or if somebody is going to have to do a a lot of tweaking, probably at the command line. > I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) > or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much > farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in > knowing that and being patient. I am getting more and more fond of virtual machines. I run Linux machines in Windows, Windows machines in Linux, Linux machines in Linux. VMs rock! -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 26 22:59:24 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:24 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <1389490.mI0jVZnaqM@cedar.serverforest.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > To use virtual machines, there is mainly "VirtualBox" (free software), > and "VMware" (which is proprietary). Not true. I prefer VirtualBox, but vmware-server is Free (GPL, I believe) as is virtualbox-ose. Anything beyond the barebones server, for either, is not open-source, but still generally free-as-in-beer. Both companies are making their profits off the people who need commercial support for VM farms. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 23:31:46 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:31:46 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 04:02 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > NoOp wrote: > >>> I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) >>> or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much >>> farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in >>> knowing that and being patient. >> >> Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: > > That's really not true. It installs _via_ a windows program, into a > loopback filesystem in an NTFS file, but when you boot you're booting a > full Linux system without any hint of Windows (from the Windows boot > manager). Yes, I don't disagree that it uses a loopback file[1], however for all intents and purposes from a _Windows_ point of view it is installed as a Windows program. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php ====== How does Wubi work? Wubi adds an entry to the Windows boot menu which allows you to run Linux. Ubuntu is installed within a file in the Windows file system (c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), this file is seen by Linux as a real hard disk. How do I uninstall it? You uninstall it as any other applications. In Windows go to the control panel and select "Add or Remove Programs", then select Wubi/Ubuntu and uninstall it. You can also use the uninstaller that you find in the installation folder. [1] Show me the code The main development happens in 4 separate launchpad projects: * Lupin, the loop-installer, used to be the core of the insaller, but now most of the old functionality has been ported within Ubuntu * Wubi, the Windows front-end, handles everything that happens before you reboot * Lubi, the Linux front-end, does basically the same thing as Wubi * LVPM, Loopmounted Virtual Partition Manager, handles the migration of virtual disks to real partitions for Wubi 7.04 and 7.10 ====== Can't say how it well works with Vista, but I've tested Wubi with WinXPPro and it worked great. That said, I much prefer using VirtualBox if you have original Win CD's. I've only installed Win2KPro on VirtualBox as the WinXPPro systems/drives that I have have OEM/network installs on them (all legal of course), but my original Win2K CD's (desktop and server) installed in VirtualBox with no issues at all. I don't know if you'd run into WinXP guarentee check issues if you have installed both to a hard drive and to a VM. From sandyinchina at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 00:41:10 2009 From: sandyinchina at gmail.com (Sandy Harris) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:41:10 +0800 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. In-Reply-To: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> References: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> Message-ID: 2009/3/24 Mike Hammel : > ... the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working > (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the > internet).  I have tried several different internet connection > settings within Firefox to no avail. Some things to try: ifconfig shows network settings ifconfig eth0 shows settings for first ether man ifconfig find out how to change them ping just sends a packet to test Use ping -c 3 or some such to limit repetitions ping 127.0.0.1 see if there's a network at all ping www.google.com test DNS && connection -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 00:37:57 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:37:57 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> <49CBF950.5030702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3433657.avreAHNGWN@cedar.serverforest.com> Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > (Fixed posting order, to bottom-posting style...) > > Justin wrote: > Justin - > Actually, he wasn't being a dick, nor confrontational. He just asked > some well thought out detailed questions. > > Your message is the one that was confrontational, and you were the one > being a dick. Yep. NoOp might have been a dick (unusual for him, but I'm surprised at the "not for general discussion" netcop attitude). I might have been a dick - _not_ unusual. But Richard asked reasonable questions that could only be considered confrontational by somebody who was scared that Ubuntu wouldn't compare well to Windows. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 00:33:35 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:33:35 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CBE80A.1070202@gmail.com> <20090326224714.2ed0ef47.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <12666059.KYVevp9Sel@cedar.serverforest.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:39:38 -0400 > Richard wrote: >> Vince, would the VirtualBox software handle my vista ultimate 32bit OEM >> DVD disk for install ? > > I don't know about Vista, I have not a copy of it. > However a month ago, I downloaded the Beta of Windows Seven, and > VirtualBox installed and ran it just fine. So since Vista is much > older, presumably it works fine as well. Certainly not. Vista has that awful activation business, and OEM discs have never worked in VMs anyway - they're tied to specific hardware configurations. I thought the suggestion, though, was to put Ubuntu in the VM. >> second, is there any dragging and dropping between Vista and Linux >> windows ? > > Can't tell about Vista, as the only Windows VM I have uses XP. > However I just did a quick test and it seems drag and drop doesn't work. > Copy/Paste works, but not drag/drop. That's true (though I find once in a long while the clipboard integration stops working for unknown reasons, causing me to swear until I reboot windows). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 00:43:38 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:43:38 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/26/2009 04:02 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> NoOp wrote: >> >>>> I suggest you play with a virtual machine install of linux (any distro) >>>> or try as LIveCD or LIveDVD version of a distro before going much >>>> farther. There is a learning curve here and it's best if you go in >>>> knowing that and being patient. >>> >>> Or, install as a Windows program using Wubi: >> >> That's really not true. It installs _via_ a windows program, into a >> loopback filesystem in an NTFS file, but when you boot you're booting a >> full Linux system without any hint of Windows (from the Windows boot >> manager). > > Yes, I don't disagree that it uses a loopback file[1], however for all > intents and purposes from a _Windows_ point of view it is installed as a > Windows program. > > http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php > ====== > How does Wubi work? > > Wubi adds an entry to the Windows boot menu which allows you to run > Linux. Ubuntu is installed within a file in the Windows file system > (c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), this file is seen by Linux as a real hard > disk. But that's the important point - it only INSTALLS like a Windows program. Because it then runs direct from the Windows Boot Manager, it _doesn't_ run, in any sense, as a Windows _program_. Windows programs are available from within Windows. Ubuntu, after being installed via Wubi, is not. So no, not for any intents or purposes... It's a pretty significant difference to a Windows user who's never used Linux, because running out of a VM means they can always get back to Windows while the VM is still running (possibly starting up some lesser Internet browser to get an answer to why they're having problems), which you can't do after you boot from Wubi. -- derek From david3333333 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 01:53:28 2009 From: david3333333 at gmail.com (David McNally) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:53:28 -0400 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. I found etc/usplach.conf, and it said: "# Usplash configuration file # These parameters will only apply after running update-initramfs. xres=1152 yres=864" (without the quotes). The screen resolution is normally 1152x864, which is what it says in the usplash.conf file. It looks like my screen supports that resolution. On 3/26/09, David McNally wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I only noticed this a few days ago, but my Ubuntu computer has never shown > me the boot screen (where it says "Ubuntu" at the top with the Ubuntu logo > next to it, and with the bar that fills up with orange as it loads more). I > originally installed 8.04 on this computer, and then upgraded to 8.10. Ever > since the installation, I've never seen it. I know that I'm supposed to see > it when the computer turns on and when it turns, but I never see it. > > However, I have seen the boot screen whenever I run off of a LiveCD. I > haven't run a LiveCD since I installed the computer, but I figured someone > might ask me if it worked when I did that, so I tried booting off a LiveCD > and the boot screen showed up like normal. > > I figure that there has to be something to fix this, but I can't imagine > what it is; maybe there's something I can put into the terminal to fix it. > I > just don't know what it is, though. > > Thanks in advance, > David > > -- > David McNally > david3333333 at gmail.com > apt-get moo > -- David McNally david3333333 at gmail.com apt-get moo From hs.samix at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 02:13:33 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:13:33 -0400 Subject: Drivers for MSI motherboards. In-Reply-To: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> References: <8BF799045B704BE5B3D4482B4AD142C6@MikePC> Message-ID: Mike Hammel wrote: > I have installed a new MSI 865GM3-V motherboard in my computer. I downloaded (from another computer) 8.1 and installed. All went pretty well except some things don't work so well. The USB optical mouse is a bit flakey but the biggie is the onboard 10-100 Ethernet is not working (although Ubuntu says I am connected to the network, I cannot get to the internet). I have tried several different internet connection settings within Firefox to no avail. Sound isn't working either. But my printer does! I have looked high and low for Linux drivers for this motherboard. All I can find are Win drivers. Any suggestions? I am about ready to give up and go back to XP. > I recently saw a problem on a brand new assembled computer (Intel chipset, Asus P5Q LE mobo). Ubuntu Hardy was installed and it was not detecting the network card properly. Google search revealed that Asus provided the drivers for linux. But our preference was to work only with Ubuntu packages and kernels. The solution was to install a newer kernel from Intrepid (using /etc/apt/preferences file). The new kernel had the drivers built in and the network worked wonderfully. So if you are having any driver problems, first check which kernel you are using: $> uname -r Then see if the hardware is supported in a newer version of the kernel. If yes, then hopefully you can install the newer version from newer Ubuntu releases' repo. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 02:25:27 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:25:27 -0600 Subject: Still dupes from Gmail Message-ID: <49CC3917.1080304@gmail.com> I'm about to give up on Gmail. I have POP3 set up and it is set to delete each message when I pop it. I checked the Trash file and there is just one copy of each message in there. But the darn QFox list is getting 2 of everything always now. Never just one. I'm at a loss as to what to do. I have never had a double on this list or on the mine list. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From jason at bluetree.ath.cx Fri Mar 27 02:57:26 2009 From: jason at bluetree.ath.cx (Jason Crain) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:57:26 -0500 Subject: Strange mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> References: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <49CC4096.10701@bluetree.ath.cx> Keith Clark wrote: > My son must have set something incorrectly but for the life of me I don't > know what or even how to describe what is happening clearly. > > Within a window, say Firefox, if the left mouse button is depressed, the > cursor turns into the four arrow keys and the movement of the mouse just > moves the window. Just like it would do it the title bar were selected and > dragged around. It happens no matter where the cursor is within the > window. > > Clicking the left mouse button on a menu, like System drop down menu still > works as normal. > > I hope I've described the problem clearly enough for someone to offer a > fix. Is your alt key stuck down? Try with a different keyboard if you can. From rlp1938 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 06:18:32 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:18:32 +0700 Subject: Still dupes from Gmail In-Reply-To: <49CC3917.1080304@gmail.com> References: <49CC3917.1080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903262318h1500cb46h621b594e0392c336@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    I'm about to give up on Gmail. I have POP3 set up and it is set to > delete each message when I pop it. I checked the Trash file and there is > just one copy of each message in there. > >    But the darn QFox list is getting 2 of everything always now. Never > just one. I'm at a loss as to what to do. I have never had a double on > this list or on the mine list. Gmail is web mail. Why not just use it in its original form in a browser. If you don't try to change anything you won't be able to stuff it up. Bpb -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From linuxlist at asmedia.ro Fri Mar 27 07:34:19 2009 From: linuxlist at asmedia.ro (Iustinian T.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:34:19 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903261526q4ed2b47fp9f730f93d87e3ffc@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> <492c86b10903261401i75f6a4f7xb9e402c937c81540@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903261526q4ed2b47fp9f730f93d87e3ffc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CC817B.3020906@asmedia.ro> Robert Parker wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Harry L. Lee wrote: > >> i run 8.10 on a 1000he. the wired lan does not work from the cd, and i >> use ndiswrap for wifi. the wired lan does ultimately work once the >> install is complete >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nik N wrote: >> >>> If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either >>> Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I >>> would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model >>> netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE >>> NOT fully operational. >>> > > Maybe not quite what you asked for but I have installed eeebuntu > (8.10) on my eeepc 701 > without any problems except that I had to adjust pulseaudio. > > Bob Parker > I have installed eeebuntu on my eeepc 901, works like a charm, even compiz is working very nice. I also instaled Moblin the 2nd alfa last night and booted the eeepc in like 10 seconds. Still in alfa devel so i cannot recommend it yet. From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Fri Mar 27 08:21:07 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:21:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks Message-ID: On Thu, March 26, 2009 21:26, Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE NOT > fully operational. > > Thank you in advance, > Nik N. Nik, I prepared a presentation for Barcamp Antwerp last weekend called "Pimp My Netbook", about the installation of Ubuntu 8.10 on an Acer Aspire One. I didn't actually give the presentation, because I also took care of the network that day (WDS was acting up a bit) and when that was finally sorted out, all slots were taken. So there is no video of my presentation. I'm a bit busy (exams Windows/WSH scripting and Linux/Bash scripting next week) but probably next weekend I will put my presentation on Slideshare, and the week after that I will put a series of articles on my blog to explain the entire installation and all tweaks with lots of details. I was planning to do the articles in Dutch only, but I am prepared to write English versions too, if I can crowdsource this list as a spelling&grammar checker. ;-) I will send a message to this list when I have something online. Kind regards, Amedee Van Gasse From thezorch at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 08:54:51 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:54:51 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu and the Atom Processor Message-ID: Hey, this isn't really a support question but I've going to build me a new computer to replace this one which is getting kind of old. I estimate it will cost me $200 to build a new machine (already priced the times I need) from new parts and a few recycled from this old Athlon XP system. The new machine will be a 2GB Dual Core Intel Atom 330 based machine with a 667MHz FSB, 160GB 7200rpm SATA drive, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, the Intel GMA 950 graphics card, a very neat looking black mini-ITX case with a 250watt power supply, and my existing DVD-RW drive. My question is, how well does Ubuntu run on the Intel Atom processor? I'm guessing pretty good since nearly all of the Linux netbooks use the Atom but not this specific type. This one appears to be more advanced than the one in the Eee PC. Its dual core and has a 2GB clock speed. So, based on the collective knowledge of this group, any experience you'd had with Ubuntu on Atom-based netbooks, and the Intel GMA 950 graphics card how will this likely perform? If it does well I may build several and see if I can sell them on eBay. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Fri Mar 27 09:01:38 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:01:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742 757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, March 25, 2009 10:37, kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com wrote: > Res I suggest that you should do some yoga and meditation and also > regular exercise coz that ought to calm you down Sent from BlackBerry® on > Airtel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Res > > > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 > To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general > discussions Subject: Re: ubuntards > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > >> >> >> Res wrote: >> >>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>> >>> >>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact >>> your actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up >>> to yourself. >> >> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >> up getting pissed off :-) > > you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil > annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to > have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on > you. > > > -- > Res > Hello, I used to be subscribed to the ubuntu-be mailing list, until I switched to OpenSuse. The people were always very nice on ubuntu-be. I am still subscribed to the opensuse mailing list, but I dislike the pagelong threads about always the same things (such as people who don't like KDE4). I decided to move back to Ubuntu (and subscribe to the mailing list) when I bought a netbook over a month ago. I'm also thinking about installing Ubuntu 8.10 64bit and Ubuntu 9.04 64bit on my desktop (long live the power of LVM, if only Ubuntu had it in its livecd, but there are simple ways to work around that). The very first thread of over average length that cought my eye, was this thread. I missed the start of it and I'm just jumping in. I'm not replying to anyone in particular, this is just in general. In a couple of minutes I will add the following line to my file /etc/postfix/maps/header_checks: /^Subject:.*ubuntards.*$/ REJECT I hope that I don't have to explain this. I know regular expressions, and I'm not afraid to use them. > -Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers Or electrical engineers with a software patch. ;-) -- Amedee From sias at cpdata.co.za Fri Mar 27 09:17:28 2009 From: sias at cpdata.co.za (Sias Mey) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:17:28 +0200 Subject: Still dupes from Gmail In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903262318h1500cb46h621b594e0392c336@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CC3917.1080304@gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903262318h1500cb46h621b594e0392c336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090327091728.GA28595@cpdata.co.za> What are you using the POP the mail? Some clients mark as downloaded only at the end of a complete batch of POPs.. so if your download get interupted then those mails werent actually downloaded according to GMail. Otherwise you could tey using imap to connect ot Gmail I use offlineimap + mutt to awesome effect with gmail. Cheers, Sias From cl at isbd.net Fri Mar 27 09:21:25 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:21:25 +0000 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090327092125.GA29353@v-shell-1> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 09:53:28PM -0400, David McNally wrote: > > I only noticed this a few days ago, but my Ubuntu computer has never shown > > me the boot screen (where it says "Ubuntu" at the top with the Ubuntu logo > > next to it, and with the bar that fills up with orange as it loads more). I > > originally installed 8.04 on this computer, and then upgraded to 8.10. Ever > > since the installation, I've never seen it. I know that I'm supposed to see > > it when the computer turns on and when it turns, but I never see it. > > > > However, I have seen the boot screen whenever I run off of a LiveCD. I > > haven't run a LiveCD since I installed the computer, but I figured someone > > might ask me if it worked when I did that, so I tried booting off a LiveCD > > and the boot screen showed up like normal. > > > > I figure that there has to be something to fix this, but I can't imagine > > what it is; maybe there's something I can put into the terminal to fix it. > > I > > just don't know what it is, though. > > > I found etc/usplach.conf, and it said: > > "# Usplash configuration file > # These parameters will only apply after running update-initramfs. > > xres=1152 > yres=864" > > (without the quotes). > > The screen resolution is normally 1152x864, which is what it says in > the usplash.conf file. It looks like my screen supports that > resolution. > Have you run update-initramfs just to be sure that the usplash parameters have been put into the boot configuration? -- Chris Green From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 09:33:16 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:33:16 +0000 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, > But that's the important point - it only INSTALLS like a Windows program. > Because it then runs direct from the Windows Boot Manager, it _doesn't_ > run, in any sense, as a Windows _program_. Windows programs are available > from within Windows. Ubuntu, after being installed via Wubi, is not. So > no, not for any intents or purposes... It's a pretty significant > difference to a Windows user who's never used Linux, because running out of > a VM means they can always get back to Windows while the VM is still > running (possibly starting up some lesser Internet browser to get an answer > to why they're having problems), which you can't do after you boot from > Wubi. This is true. But there are many things (IMO) which do not work as well in a VM as a native install, such as access to USB drives (I find the free VM solutions tend to do worse here than paid for ones). Also, you won't get good graphics performance in a VM ubuntu install, as you would in a native install. This is all obvious to those of us familiar with such things, but for someone considering switching to ubuntu it is just another set of complications that might get in the way and spoil the trial experience with linux.. So, I would actually go with the Wubi install. Its 'native' but doesn't require repartitioning etc., plus can be uninstalled easily by anyone familiar with windows. I take you point about users being able to fall back to a more familiar windows browser, whilst the VM is still running. But, in my view as long as the ubuntu install gets the desktop running, and networking working, which it really should out the box, the user should always be able to fire up firefox and debug any problems there. Just my view. cheers Chris From loic.grenie at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 10:21:35 2009 From: loic.grenie at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc_Greni=E9?=) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:21:35 +0100 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b06e8d20903270321tc24c40cr5d15f25eab5b895f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/27 David McNally : > Hi all. > > I found etc/usplach.conf, and it said: > > "# Usplash configuration file > # These parameters will only apply after running update-initramfs. > > xres=1152 > yres=864" Try xres=1024 and yres=768, I suspect the BIOS could not allow the 1152x864 resolution. Loïc From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 27 10:31:38 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:31:38 -0700 Subject: Strange mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> References: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <49CCAB0A.2090309@cmc.net> Keith Clark wrote: > My son must have set something incorrectly but for the life of me I don't > know what or even how to describe what is happening clearly. > > Within a window, say Firefox, if the left mouse button is depressed, the > cursor turns into the four arrow keys and the movement of the mouse just > moves the window. Just like it would do it the title bar were selected and > dragged around. It happens no matter where the cursor is within the > window. > > Clicking the left mouse button on a menu, like System drop down menu still > works as normal. > > I hope I've described the problem clearly enough for someone to offer a > fix. > > Thanks, > > Keith > Hello, Is Compiz installed? There are settings within it that can produce the behavior you are describing. I'm not sure of the exact plugin within Compiz that would be responsible, but check each of them for the "key bindings" section, and see if there is a setting to bind "move" to the left mouse button. That's the only thing I can think of that might be doing it. I was going to suggest the Keyboard Shortcuts menu item under preferences, but I don't think it sets anything for the mouse buttons, so would be a waste of time. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From wegalovich at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 10:44:05 2009 From: wegalovich at sbcglobal.net (Wendy Galovich) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:44:05 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903270644.06341.wegalovich@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 26 March 2009 16:26:40 Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE > NOT fully operational. > > Thank you in advance, > Nik N. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 on an Asus eeepc 1000H. Currently I'm running the generic kernel 2.6.27-11 with ndiswrapper for the wireless. The webcam works with cheese, but the few times I've tried to use it with Skype, the person at the other end of the connection wasn't receiving the video. I haven't delved further into that problem, primarily due to lack of time. You can also use the kernel from array.org which is custom-built for the eeepc and its Atom processor, which I did for a couple of months when I got the eeepc early this year. However, I did notice two things at the time that prompted me to try the generic kernel. The first was that there was a time lag in kernel updates from array.org, which is the outside repository for the compared to their appearance in the Ubuntu repositories. I will clarify here that AIUI the array.org repository is maintained by one person, and he does an awesome job. Nevertheless, I did have a bit of a concern about timeliness of security updates. YMMV on that depending on your particular situation. The other thing I noticed was that the native wireless driver kept reporting the speed at 1 Mb/s, whereas ndiswrapper reports it at 54 Mb/s, as I would expect it to. I can't say there was a noticeable difference in subjective experience, however, so it's possible that it's a reporting error in the Notification Area applet rather than a functional difference. Wendy From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 11:01:03 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:01:03 -0700 Subject: Need assistance References: <49C69CDE.2050705@gmail.com> <49C6A626.5080505@dinamis.com> <4810143.SqHGpTZMTN@cedar.serverforest.com> <49C7B687.2060501@dinamis.com> <49C7B84B.6010505@gmail.com> <20090324174538.1e4c2da2@WizardsTower> <49C983C5.2010902@roadrunner.com> <5641186.4Wlqu7jWoF@cedar.serverforest.com> <7813090.CSY0PIbZQb@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:07:15 -0300, Derek Broughton posted: > Thorny wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:35:12 -0300, Derek Broughton posted: >> >>> Since I do some work for a University helpdesk - for a school that >>> doesn't mandate what equipment you use - I can sometimes wish we had >>> that policy :-) But _I_ wouldn't want to go to such a school! >> >> Oh! An IT nightmare, my condolences Derek. >> >> Given that, it's not surprising that I sometimes think your comments >> are brusque. :-) > > It's completely different. Well, I was referring to the frustration and stress caused by first-tier support for inexperienced users. As I have mentioned previously, your answers don't put me off, in the old days there were people who were just plain nasty, although knowledgeable. >I've got no time for people who come here _expecting_ anyone to give them >solutions they can't be bothered to try to work out. But I'll dash off a >quick hint. I'll go overboard for anybody who shows signs of trying to >help themselves. This, in my never humble opinion, is the "True Spirit". And, I hope people reading this take note of your comment. > otoh, for the university helpdesk, those are paying students who _do_ > have a right to expect help, and I'm being paid (very little) to do it. > Actually it's only two hours a week, and it's not the money as much as > the percs :-) Ah! >> It's a bit like trying to help people on a mailing list or forum or >> newsgroup, eh? I imagine a lot of your friends think support is easy >> for you too, so they should be able to ask anytime they want to. > > Living in the middle of nowhere pretty well limits the personal requests > :-) Oh that it would be thus for me. I live on a small island, stuck with dialup too. And, yet they find me and ask that I drop by sometime (although they usually mean now) and help with a small problem they are having, usually expect to pay about $20 for two or three hours work. :-) OTOH, I'm retired and get to only help the people I choose to, much better than when I had to live in a city, fly somewhere and work until the system was back up. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:06:56 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:06:56 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the world of open source software. Hello Richard. You have received a wealth of answers already but I would like to make a couple of comments. The first being, please post in text only to the list. On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0400, Richard posted: > Been watching Linux for the past few years, and have wonder "if" its > ready to replace my Vista Desktop. To clarify, "Linux" is the kernel that GNU software can use, but there are other kernels. That's a bit picky and we generally understand what you mean. In addition, there are lots of different distributions of "Linux" (as you have used the term), as well as derivatives and branches, some work better than others and some are specifically targeted at particular tasks. I believe that there are even multimedia distros. Use of a search engine might give you another wealth of information. [...snipped to save bandwidth] From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 27 12:33:16 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:33:16 -0400 Subject: ubuntards In-Reply-To: <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > On Wed, March 25, 2009 10:37, kmadananteshwar.vbhat at gmail.com wrote: >> Res I suggest that you should do some yoga and meditation and also >> regular exercise coz that ought to calm you down Sent from BlackBerry® on >> Airtel >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Res >> >> >> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:26:57 >> To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general >> discussions Subject: Re: ubuntards >> >> >> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Res wrote: >>> >>>> Bart, take that stick you have up your ass and remove it. >>>> >>>> >>>> "helping more people than any of you ever have" really? I dare you to >>>> show me WHERE I have EVER said that you sad sad sad person, in fact >>>> your actually rather pathetic, take a look in the mirror and wake up >>>> to yourself. >>> Nice, you try trolling by starting a thread called "ubuntards" and end >>> up getting pissed off :-) >> you call it trolling, I and many otehrs call it fact, I also do get a lil >> annoyed when cockheads imply I said something, that i didnt. you seem to >> have a very unhealthy facination with me, did your boyfriend walk out on >> you. >> >> >> -- >> Res >> > > Hello, > > I used to be subscribed to the ubuntu-be mailing list, until I switched to > OpenSuse. The people were always very nice on ubuntu-be. > I am still subscribed to the opensuse mailing list, but I dislike the > pagelong threads about always the same things (such as people who don't > like KDE4). > I decided to move back to Ubuntu (and subscribe to the mailing list) when > I bought a netbook over a month ago. I'm also thinking about installing > Ubuntu 8.10 64bit and Ubuntu 9.04 64bit on my desktop (long live the power > of LVM, if only Ubuntu had it in its livecd, but there are simple ways to > work around that). > > The very first thread of over average length that cought my eye, was this > thread. I missed the start of it and I'm just jumping in. I'm not replying > to anyone in particular, this is just in general. > > In a couple of minutes I will add the following line to my file > /etc/postfix/maps/header_checks: > > /^Subject:.*ubuntards.*$/ REJECT > > I hope that I don't have to explain this. I know regular expressions, and > I'm not afraid to use them. > #begin 2cents i hear you. i remember nonsense like this on the suse list with aaron until he got banned. i havent said anything, just reading the nonsense and shaking head in amazement that people talk to to each other like that on a mailing list. but maybe should at least ask it be taken to sounder if you all insist on calling each other names. thats just rude. #end 2cents steve From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 27 12:33:53 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:33:53 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> Chris Jones wrote: > Hi, > >> But that's the important point - it only INSTALLS like a Windows program. >> Because it then runs direct from the Windows Boot Manager, it _doesn't_ >> run, in any sense, as a Windows _program_. Windows programs are available >> from within Windows. Ubuntu, after being installed via Wubi, is not. So >> no, not for any intents or purposes... It's a pretty significant >> difference to a Windows user who's never used Linux, because running out of >> a VM means they can always get back to Windows while the VM is still >> running (possibly starting up some lesser Internet browser to get an answer >> to why they're having problems), which you can't do after you boot from >> Wubi. > > This is true. But there are many things (IMO) which do not work as well > in a VM as a native install, such as access to USB drives (I find the > free VM solutions tend to do worse here than paid for ones). Guys...c'mon...if he doesn't know a VM from a boot manager, if he's kind of venturing into the realm of trying Ubuntu...why dig into the innards of what's going on with Wubi vs. VM systems vs. liveboot vs....etc...on the mailing list? :-) You're going to overwhelm him with details that from his point of view may not mean anything! Sounds like Wubi will be the way for him to go, but first make a good backup. ;-) From avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com Fri Mar 27 13:00:00 2009 From: avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com (Avi Greenbury) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:00:00 +0000 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Guys...c'mon...if he doesn't know a VM from a boot manager, if he's kind > of venturing into the realm of trying Ubuntu...why dig into the innards > of what's going on with Wubi vs. VM systems vs. liveboot vs....etc...on > the mailing list? :-) You're going to overwhelm him with details that > from his point of view may not mean anything! Because, for the very reasons you just listed, it is important not to give the false impression that Wubi allows him to run Ubuntu inside Windows. -- Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 27 13:06:27 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:27 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <1389490.mI0jVZnaqM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC432.4060509@chrononomicon.com> <20090326192105.71d3b44d.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <1389490.mI0jVZnaqM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49CCCF53.6000904@chrononomicon.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > >> To use virtual machines, there is mainly "VirtualBox" (free software), >> and "VMware" (which is proprietary). > > Not true. I prefer VirtualBox, but vmware-server is Free (GPL, I believe) > as is virtualbox-ose. Anything beyond the barebones server, for either, is > not open-source, but still generally free-as-in-beer. Both companies are > making their profits off the people who need commercial support for VM > farms. You're right, last I knew. They might have changed something, though. Last I knew the bare-bones, wanna run on a system vmware server was free to use and worked like a champ (I stopped after the newest versions went to a crappy web interface for managing them, complete with a wonderful plugin that needed to add an extra step to using the web browser when *that* was upgraded). The converter util was also free to take a physical system and try turning it into a VM. VMWare charged for their enterprise and business support stuff. I.e., managing clustering, dynamic migrations, system monitoring, installing their "operating system" setup where it boots to a dedicated VM server, actually getting their tech people to talk to you about issues, etc. I give kudos to the company for that attitude. For businesses that rely on virtualization, I'd not hesitate to seriously look at implementing VMWare for support and management tools if for no other reason than the good luck I've had running the free version. For personal use, I've had very good luck with VirtualBox and don't hesitate to recommend that for most home user's needs. Server farms, vmware. light-duty, need for a couple applications or testing, virtualbox. -Bart From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Fri Mar 27 13:05:48 2009 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:05:48 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49CCCF2C.5090907@dinamis.com> Chris Jones wrote: > This is true. But there are many things (IMO) which do not work as well > in a VM as a native install, such as access to USB drives (I find the > free VM solutions tend to do worse here than paid for ones). Also, you > won't get good graphics performance in a VM ubuntu install, as you would > in a native install. This is all obvious to those of us familiar with > such things, but for someone considering switching to ubuntu it is just > another set of complications that might get in the way and spoil the > trial experience with linux.. Points well taken but, my understanding is that virtualizing via kvm (Kernel Virtual Mode), particularly if you have the virtualization extensions implemented in your CPU and your motherboard supports it, and many do these days, has a negligible and imperceptible hit on performance. I have run Windows in such an environment but I had no motivation to run benchmarks because the performance was so good that I didn't care if I might "only" have 95% of the performance of running on bare metal. Generally speaking, those who virtualize aren't gamers and graphics performance, especially on modern hardware, is perfectly acceptable in virtual machines. When I run Windows virtualized, it's only because I want to treat it like a brain in a jar like in one of those shlocky sci-fi flicks. I don't care about connecting peripherals via USB or squeezing the last few frames per second of graphics performance. In fact, if I cared about the latter, I wouldn't run the pedestrian video cards I run. The original question could be summarized as, "Will Linux work as well for me as Windows Vista does for handling multimedia?" It depends on how willing you are to learn something new. Any change, even from one Windows application to another, requires you to learn new things but that you've asked the question implies you're receptive to the idea. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room. The gold standard for multimedia seems to be OS X. Based on my limited experience with editing video on Windows and Linux, and playing around with it on OS X, if I had to do it on a regular basis, I'd be tempted to buy a Mac. Of the three, Windows was the worst experience but all I had to work with was Windows Movie Maker. > So, I would actually go with the Wubi install. Its 'native' but doesn't > require repartitioning etc., plus can be uninstalled easily by anyone > familiar with windows. I take you point about users being able to fall > back to a more familiar windows browser, whilst the VM is still running. > But, in my view as long as the ubuntu install gets the desktop running, > and networking working, which it really should out the box, the user > should always be able to fire up firefox and debug any problems there. Anyone who clings to Windows because of the "more familiar Windows browser" really needs to install Firefox, Opera, or Google Chrome to see that they're not so unfamiliar after all. The differences between different generations of IE and these browsers are just as great, or just as small, depending on your perspective. The only good reason to use IE is if your employer's IT department mandates IE (in a shocking number of cases, IE 6) as "the standard", or you have to use web applications written by clueless web developers (like the MLS systems used by some real estate boards), or you're a web developer who has to test against IE. Anyway, to the original poster, the least intrusive way of fairly evaluating Linux is to install and run Linux on your second disk drive and dual boot. In the amount of time it has taken you to read the responses to this thread, you could have already done this. It's really not that hard. If you're happy with Linux, then you can examine options for virtualizing Windows to run within Linux. There are ways you can run a physical installation of Windows virtualized so you may not even have to reinstall Windows to do it. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But In-Reply-To: <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Avi Greenbury < avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com> wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Guys...c'mon...if he doesn't know a VM from a boot manager, if he's kind > > of venturing into the realm of trying Ubuntu...why dig into the innards > > of what's going on with Wubi vs. VM systems vs. liveboot vs....etc...on > > the mailing list? :-) You're going to overwhelm him with details that > > from his point of view may not mean anything! > > Because, for the very reasons you just listed, it is important not to > give the false impression that Wubi allows him to run Ubuntu inside > Windows. > > -- > Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > This is an example of the downside to forum resource. Call it language, comprehension or whatever, but when I had ubuntu with wubi as vehicle for install I THOUGHT I was running ubuntu inside windows. Revelation to learn I was not, but where was ubuntu running if not on my NTFS partition? -- Allen Meyers texas.chef94 at gmail.com The ability to comfortably use a computer is directly proportional to desire to listen, learn, and experiment, and is inversely proportional to the fear, anger, and stubbornness that you show. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Fri Mar 27 13:16:54 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:16:54 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CCD1C6.5000500@chrononomicon.com> Allen Meyers wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Avi Greenbury < > avismailinglistaccount at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Bart Silverstrim wrote: >>> Guys...c'mon...if he doesn't know a VM from a boot manager, if he's kind >>> of venturing into the realm of trying Ubuntu...why dig into the innards >>> of what's going on with Wubi vs. VM systems vs. liveboot vs....etc...on >>> the mailing list? :-) You're going to overwhelm him with details that >>> from his point of view may not mean anything! >> Because, for the very reasons you just listed, it is important not to >> give the false impression that Wubi allows him to run Ubuntu inside >> Windows. >> >> -- >> Avi Greenbury :) http://aviswebsite.co.uk >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > This is an example of the downside to forum resource. Call it language, > comprehension or whatever, but when I had ubuntu with wubi as vehicle for > install I THOUGHT I was running ubuntu inside windows. Revelation to learn I > was not, but where was ubuntu running if not on my NTFS partition? All good points, I was just pointing out what you experienced...you achieved your end goal, using or trial-running or dual-booting Windows and Linux, without being aware of what was going on. For most users just starting out that's "good enough". Otherwise they're struggling with the concept of permissions or using synaptic, while reading a metric poo-load of information on various forms of virtualization...it's daunting and something they could also pick up from some simple google searches once they know what to search for (WUBI, vmware, virtualbox...) and can find the respective FAQ's on using them. I was a little concerned he might get information overload just starting out :-) From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 13:35:01 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:35:01 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > I was planning to do the articles in Dutch only, but I am prepared to > write English versions too, if I can crowdsource this list as a > spelling&grammar checker. ;-) > > I will send a message to this list when I have something online. I'll be happy to mangle your clear prose into something else once it's up :-) Brian From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 13:41:26 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:41:26 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu and the Atom Processor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Michael Haney wrote: >  So, based on the collective knowledge of this group, any > experience you'd had with Ubuntu on Atom-based netbooks, and the Intel > GMA 950 graphics card how will this likely perform? My Aspire One feels about as fast as my 2.6Ghz Celeron machine, and does Compiz better. I've got to really abuse it to make it feel slow (e.g. water ripple effects, Firefox, Rythmbox, Twirl, a couple of terminal windows and Evolution all running) and that's likely because it's only 1 gig of ram. Note I don't have a 'modern' linux desktop box to compare to, but I'm pleasantly surprised just how well it works for day to day stuff. I haven't tried editing video or transcoding stuff. Phoronix has some benchmarks I think. Brian From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 27 13:45:03 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:45:03 -0700 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <20090325131356.d3275421.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CA1D5E.5090709@gmx.at> <20090325131356.d3275421.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CCD85F.5040000@cmc.net> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:02:38 +0100 > Franz Waldmüller wrote: > > >> One of my screens went black randomly (=it powered itself off) but I >> discovered that the power switch of the monitor was faulty. If you got >> another monitor at hand you could test it. >> >> just an idea. >> > > Yeah I did consider a hardware problem. But I don't think it's the > problem. The monitor doesn't power off, it only goes "idle" and goes > back to life again as soon as I move the mouse, showing that's it > responsive. That, plus that fact that there are trillions of bugs in > Linux with new ones continually added... make me favour the option of a > software problem... > > -- > Vince > Hello, Try "xset -dpms" to see if this disables the behavior. It will not stick session to session however, according to "man xset" so I'm not sure how to make it permanent. "xset q" will give the current settings. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From erik at comprehensivepower.com Fri Mar 27 13:53:09 2009 From: erik at comprehensivepower.com (Erik Hemdal) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:53:09 -0400 Subject: Long cronjobs terminate after 2 minutes/Ubuntu 8.10 Message-ID: I use a cronjob to backup several directories on a Ubuntu 8.10 system. This is done by a shell script which issues a series of commands on each of several subdirectories. When I run the script in the foreground, it takes about 2 hours to complete, and it runs successfully. When I run it in a cronjob, it terminates silently without an error after running for about two minutes. I know the duration because of timestamps on the files that the job creates. The last file written is done 2 minutes after the job starts, then nothing. I can see that the cronjob begins because I see its entry in /var/log/syslog. The top command displays the job running, until it dies. I've already verified that the script is executable, that the full path to the script is given in /etc/crontab, and that the full path to each command in the script is also specified. I'm running the script as root. And there is an empty line at the end of my /etc/crontab file (this was mentioned in one forum post I found as a requirement for cron to work right). I've tried running the job with nohup to try to keep it alive. Nothing has been successful. Other brief cronjobs that I run under similar conditions work correctly, but they take less than two minutes each to go. I've found many posts about cronjobs that won't run at all, but I didn't find one about jobs that get cut short. I can't think of anything else to try to get this to work. Is there a known way to make this work on Ubuntu? Thanks for any advice or ideas. Erik From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Mar 27 13:56:43 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:56:43 +0100 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CBE6BC.2040009@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBE6BC.2040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard wrote: >> > Running too many anti-this and anti-that to keep Vista clean, plus some > of the updates of late, > has cause some more grief, they say a fix in SP2 for vista... but I not > holding my breath. > > Richard > Richard, fully agreed. More or less, this was also my motivation to switch over. As only you can precisely know what will worl ok for you, I suggest to simply start and see by installing Linux on top of your existing windows. Without any risk, you can easily use virtualbox for the task. Then, one by one, you can try out Linux without having the risk of destroying what you have.. And if the day comes, you will be able to fully switch confidently and easily. Then after this day, you will be able to do it "vice versa" and install Vista on top of Ubuntu, just for the few cases, where you prefer Windows. Kind regards Eberhard > From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 14:00:03 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: No Boot Screen - Ever! In-Reply-To: <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <91b973500903261341q6f9d8555u489ab37caf22951c@mail.gmail.com> <91b973500903261853v1c07ad1sc4a0c00995a8e7a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM, David McNally wrote: > Hi all. > > I found etc/usplach.conf, and it said: > > "# Usplash configuration file > # These parameters will only apply after running update-initramfs. > > xres=1152 > yres=864" > > (without the quotes). > > The screen resolution is normally 1152x864, which is what it says in > the usplash.conf file. It looks like my screen supports that > resolution. usplash uses framebuffer, which X usually doesn't. It's possible that framebuffer on your card won't do that resolution. The grub prompt hit 'e' and add vga=791 to the end of the line and see if it works then. If it does, then edit the grub/menu.1st file to make your change permanent. You can see a partial chart of the different vga codes at http://bobpeers.com/linux/mount.php half way down the page. Brian From ugly at frightenstein.com Fri Mar 27 14:01:46 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:01:46 -0400 Subject: ubuntards References: <49CCCFBF.5090705@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <003f01c9aee4$91bc40e0$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jones" To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: ubuntards > > > We know that you are a Slackware user and all the elitism that implies. > > ;-) > > I guess this makes him a Slacker ... Praise "Bob" From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 14:41:18 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:41:18 +0000 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CCE58E.3030507@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > This is an example of the downside to forum resource. Call it > language, comprehension or whatever, but when I had ubuntu with wubi as > vehicle for install I THOUGHT I was running ubuntu inside windows. > Revelation to learn I was not, but where was ubuntu running if not on my > NTFS partition? To most people I think the term INSIDE windows means you have windows running, then start up a program, just like explorer etc. The point is Ubuntu is not like any other application, its a full operating system. So, the only way to get it running 'inside' windows is to use a virtual machine. Wubi is different. What this does is create a file on your NTFS windows file that acts like a normal file system to Ubuntu. You cannot though start up a Ubuntu application whilst running windows. You natively boot to Ubuntu by selecting it at the boot manager prompt (i.e. windows is not running at all) but through some clever magic that occurs at the start of the ubuntu boot sequence, that file on your NTFS filesystem is 'mapped' to a standard etx3 file system which ubuntu sees. From then on, you are running ubuntu natively. Chris From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 14:48:51 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:48:51 +0000 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CCCF2C.5090907@dinamis.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCCF2C.5090907@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49CCE753.8070508@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, > Points well taken but, my understanding is that virtualizing via kvm > (Kernel Virtual Mode), particularly if you have the virtualization > extensions implemented in your CPU and your motherboard supports it, and > many do these days, has a negligible and imperceptible hit on > performance. I have run Windows in such an environment but I had no > motivation to run benchmarks because the performance was so good that I > didn't care if I might "only" have 95% of the performance of running on > bare metal. This is true, but not really what I was referring to. > > Generally speaking, those who virtualize aren't gamers and graphics > performance, especially on modern hardware, is perfectly acceptable in > virtual machines. When I run Windows virtualized, it's only because I > want to treat it like a brain in a jar like in one of those shlocky > sci-fi flicks. I don't care about connecting peripherals via USB or > squeezing the last few frames per second of graphics performance. In > fact, if I cared about the latter, I wouldn't run the pedestrian video > cards I run. On the USB point. I think this is important. Many people these days have large collections of movies/photos/music which are commonly stored on external drives. In this case someone considering switching is going to expect to be able to access these external drives just as easily under linux as windows. In a native install, this will likely work well. In a VM, my experience is it is sometimes a little flaky. So, if this was important to the potential switcher, as the OP in this case, I wouldn't suggest trying things out in a VM. On the graphics front it is true it just just eye candy, and not critical, but again I think it best to present linux in its best light, and with the modern composting window managers (KDE4, compiz etc.) this requires good opengl hardware acceleration, which afaik no VM solution yet gives (easily...). Chris From keithclark at k-wbookworm.com Fri Mar 27 14:58:47 2009 From: keithclark at k-wbookworm.com (Keith Clark) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:58:47 -0400 Subject: [Solved] Re: Strange mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <49CCAB0A.2090309@cmc.net> References: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> <49CCAB0A.2090309@cmc.net> Message-ID: <48d0947a1ea39812f89ebe056b3a66f2@k-wbookworm.com> Exactly what it was! Fixed and thanks for hte hint. Keith On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:31:38 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > Keith Clark wrote: >> My son must have set something incorrectly but for the life of me I don't >> know what or even how to describe what is happening clearly. >> >> Within a window, say Firefox, if the left mouse button is depressed, the >> cursor turns into the four arrow keys and the movement of the mouse just >> moves the window. Just like it would do it the title bar were selected >> and >> dragged around. It happens no matter where the cursor is within the >> window. >> >> Clicking the left mouse button on a menu, like System drop down menu >> still >> works as normal. >> >> I hope I've described the problem clearly enough for someone to offer a >> fix. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Keith >> > Hello, > > Is Compiz installed? There are settings within it that can produce the > behavior you are describing. I'm not sure of the exact plugin within > Compiz that would be responsible, but check each of them for the "key > bindings" section, and see if there is a setting to bind "move" to the > left mouse button. > > That's the only thing I can think of that might be doing it. I was going > to suggest the Keyboard Shortcuts menu item under preferences, but I > don't think it sets anything for the mouse buttons, so would be a waste > of time. > > Later, Ray Parrish > > -- > Human reviewed index of links about the computer > http://www.rayslinks.com > Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic > http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 15:00:10 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:00:10 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1811218.ypESumJGAo@cedar.serverforest.com> Chris Jones wrote: > This is true. But there are many things (IMO) which do not work as well > in a VM as a native install, No doubt - I was just trying to express the point that installing via wubi does _not_ make Ubuntu a "Windows Program", though in a sense installing it in a VM does. > such as access to USB drives (I find the > free VM solutions tend to do worse here than paid for ones). I have had zero problems accessing any of my USB devices in the XP guest under a Linux host. I haven't tried using USB on the Linux guest under Vista. > Also, you > won't get good graphics performance in a VM ubuntu install, as you would > in a native install. Again, I'm sure you're right. Virtualbox does actually claim to be able to do 3D, now, but I wouldn't count on it. -- derek From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Fri Mar 27 15:14:07 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:14:07 +0100 Subject: preferred applications in gnome/nautilus Message-ID: <49CCED3F.5000403@neuroweave.nl> I have a small annoying problem because I can't find (or have forgotten) where the applications, visible in nautilus, can be changed (when right-clicking on a filename a menu pops up with a list of applications). I've looked on all items under System-> Preferences and System-> Administration but nothing is there and the help information is not very helpful. I want e.g. to start OO-files to read with OO 3.01 but nautilus finds only OO 2.4, and it will stubornly try to start khexedit but I want to use Ghex (I use Gnome from the start). It must be something simple but I can't find it and hope somebody has more knowledge and can help me out. My system: AMD64 OS: Hardy. Thanks in advance, Joep From justin.gruenberg at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 15:16:11 2009 From: justin.gruenberg at gmail.com (Justin Gruenberg) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:16:11 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49CCE753.8070508@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCCF2C.5090907@dinamis.com> <49CCE753.8070508@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <96cd751f0903270816v5cb21eedw90ea827bba8e5c7@mail.gmail.com> Sorry this is going to be formatted weird. Our network is acting all strange so I just got my blackberry. USB devices work more or less in virtualbox. You can use a usb hard drive. It works, but I think itd be better to mount it in the host and then share the folder with the guest. This is pretty straight forward to do. I have been able to use a generic usb joystick just by telling virtualbox to use it. The only thing that hasn't worked for me is doing the blackberry upgrade in virtualbox. All in all, things work great if you have a powerful enough computer and still work decent if you don't. So give it a try there's not a lot to lose. On 3/27/09, Chris Jones wrote: > Hi, > >> Points well taken but, my understanding is that virtualizing via kvm >> (Kernel Virtual Mode), particularly if you have the virtualization >> extensions implemented in your CPU and your motherboard supports it, and >> many do these days, has a negligible and imperceptible hit on >> performance. I have run Windows in such an environment but I had no >> motivation to run benchmarks because the performance was so good that I >> didn't care if I might "only" have 95% of the performance of running on >> bare metal. > > This is true, but not really what I was referring to. > >> >> Generally speaking, those who virtualize aren't gamers and graphics >> performance, especially on modern hardware, is perfectly acceptable in >> virtual machines. When I run Windows virtualized, it's only because I >> want to treat it like a brain in a jar like in one of those shlocky >> sci-fi flicks. I don't care about connecting peripherals via USB or >> squeezing the last few frames per second of graphics performance. In >> fact, if I cared about the latter, I wouldn't run the pedestrian video >> cards I run. > > On the USB point. I think this is important. Many people these days have > large collections of movies/photos/music which are commonly stored on > external drives. In this case someone considering switching is going to > expect to be able to access these external drives just as easily under > linux as windows. In a native install, this will likely work well. In a > VM, my experience is it is sometimes a little flaky. So, if this was > important to the potential switcher, as the OP in this case, I wouldn't > suggest trying things out in a VM. > > On the graphics front it is true it just just eye candy, and not > critical, but again I think it best to present linux in its best light, > and with the modern composting window managers (KDE4, compiz etc.) this > requires good opengl hardware acceleration, which afaik no VM solution > yet gives (easily...). > > Chris > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -- Sent from my mobile device From crp at cmc.net Fri Mar 27 15:26:49 2009 From: crp at cmc.net (Ray Parrish) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Solved] Re: Strange mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <48d0947a1ea39812f89ebe056b3a66f2@k-wbookworm.com> References: <8234ad077e58f993d482706b262a2713@k-wbookworm.com> <49CCAB0A.2090309@cmc.net> <48d0947a1ea39812f89ebe056b3a66f2@k-wbookworm.com> Message-ID: <49CCF039.5060505@cmc.net> Keith Clark wrote: > Exactly what it was! Fixed and thanks for hte hint. > > Keith > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:31:38 -0700, Ray Parrish wrote: > >> Keith Clark wrote: >> >>> My son must have set something incorrectly but for the life of me I >>> > don't > >>> know what or even how to describe what is happening clearly. >>> >>> Within a window, say Firefox, if the left mouse button is depressed, the >>> cursor turns into the four arrow keys and the movement of the mouse just >>> moves the window. Just like it would do it the title bar were selected >>> and >>> dragged around. It happens no matter where the cursor is within the >>> window. >>> >>> Clicking the left mouse button on a menu, like System drop down menu >>> still >>> works as normal. >>> >>> I hope I've described the problem clearly enough for someone to offer a >>> fix. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >> Hello, >> >> Is Compiz installed? There are settings within it that can produce the >> behavior you are describing. I'm not sure of the exact plugin within >> Compiz that would be responsible, but check each of them for the "key >> bindings" section, and see if there is a setting to bind "move" to the >> left mouse button. >> >> That's the only thing I can think of that might be doing it. I was going >> to suggest the Keyboard Shortcuts menu item under preferences, but I >> don't think it sets anything for the mouse buttons, so would be a waste >> of time. >> >> Later, Ray Parrish >> You're welcome! Glad that sorted it out for you. Later, Ray Parrish -- Human reviewed index of links about the computer http://www.rayslinks.com Poetry from the mind of a Schizophrenic http://www.writingsoftheschizophrenic.com/ From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 27 15:29:32 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:29:32 +0100 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <1811218.ypESumJGAo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <1811218.ypESumJGAo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20090327162932.b98854a9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:00:10 -0300 Derek Broughton wrote: > Again, I'm sure you're right. Virtualbox does actually claim to be able to > do 3D, now, but I wouldn't count on it. It only does OpenGL not DirectX aiui, so no good for Windows. Still, even OpenGL under a Linux guest didn't appear to work for me. In a terminal if I query "glxinfo |grep rendering", it does say "Yes"... however when I tried to run desktop effects or Googleearth, both failed... -- Vince From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 27 15:32:57 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:32:57 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <49CCD85F.5040000@cmc.net> References: <20090325000736.b19a5735.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CA1D5E.5090709@gmx.at> <20090325131356.d3275421.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CCD85F.5040000@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090327163257.ec7b0479.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:45:03 -0700 Ray Parrish wrote: > Try "xset -dpms" to see if this disables the behavior. It will not stick > session to session however, according to "man xset" so I'm not sure how > to make it permanent. "xset q" will give the current settings. Thanks Ray, will try that. xset q reports the following: ********** Screen Saver: prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes timeout: 0 cycle: 0 ********** The time out delay is '0', I presume it means 'never' trigger the screensaver. -- Vince From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 15:40:25 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:40:25 +0000 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <20090327162932.b98854a9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <1811218.ypESumJGAo@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090327162932.b98854a9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CCF369.1000606@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Hi, > It only does OpenGL not DirectX aiui, so no good for Windows. > Still, even OpenGL under a Linux guest didn't appear to work for me. > In a terminal if I query "glxinfo |grep rendering", it does say > "Yes"... however when I tried to run desktop effects or Googleearth, > both failed... When they say they support 3D acceleration, what they really mean is 3D in windows... In order to get decent 3D support in linux, you would need them to provide a linux video driver, for whatever hardware their VM presents the video system as, that supports 3D as well as the intel, AMD and NVIDIA drivers do. I might be out of date here, but as far as I am aware none of them come close to this yet... cheers Chris From unreal.linux at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 16:06:29 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:06:29 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <328a5cf40903261326q7c1a5e53v5a72ec30323bda8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CCF985.8090009@gmail.com> Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE > NOT fully operational. > > Thank you in advance, > Nik N. > I have a bunch of friends that have Asus EeePC and have installed Ubuntu on them. I personally run it on a Lenovo S10 netbook without issues as well as my friends with Asus. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 16:29:32 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:29:32 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 05:43 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> How does Wubi work? >> >> Wubi adds an entry to the Windows boot menu which allows you to run >> Linux. Ubuntu is installed within a file in the Windows file system >> (c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), this file is seen by Linux as a real hard >> disk. > > But that's the important point - it only INSTALLS like a Windows program. > Because it then runs direct from the Windows Boot Manager, it _doesn't_ > run, in any sense, as a Windows _program_. Wubi *is* a windows program and is a front-end to lupin and ubiquity. So the correct statement should have been: "Or, install via a Windows program Wubi:" https://launchpad.net/wubi There, happy now? From cl at isbd.net Fri Mar 27 16:33:39 2009 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris G) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:33:39 +0000 Subject: Long cronjobs terminate after 2 minutes/Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090327163339.GB17643@v-shell-1> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 09:53:09AM -0400, Erik Hemdal wrote: > I use a cronjob to backup several directories on a Ubuntu 8.10 system. This > is done by a shell script which issues a series of commands on each of > several subdirectories. > > When I run the script in the foreground, it takes about 2 hours to complete, > and it runs successfully. When I run it in a cronjob, it terminates > silently without an error after running for about two minutes. I know the > duration because of timestamps on the files that the job creates. The last > file written is done 2 minutes after the job starts, then nothing. > > I can see that the cronjob begins because I see its entry in > /var/log/syslog. The top command displays the job running, until it dies. > > I've already verified that the script is executable, that the full path to > the script is given in /etc/crontab, and that the full path to each command > in the script is also specified. I'm running the script as root. And there > is an empty line at the end of my /etc/crontab file (this was mentioned in > one forum post I found as a requirement for cron to work right). I've tried > running the job with nohup to try to keep it alive. Nothing has been > successful. > > Other brief cronjobs that I run under similar conditions work correctly, but > they take less than two minutes each to go. > > I've found many posts about cronjobs that won't run at all, but I didn't > find one about jobs that get cut short. I can't think of anything else to > try to get this to work. Is there a known way to make this work on Ubuntu? > > Thanks for any advice or ideas. Erik > Have you got your system set up so that cron sends mail to someone useful? I.e. if there's a cron error do you get to see the error message? What user owns the crontab file being executed by cron? If it's an ordinary user then that user should receive mail when *any* text is output by the cron job. If it's being run by a user who doesn't normally get mail then add a "MAILTO= Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:37:01 +0000 From: Adam Funk Subject: Re: Skype- 'problem with audio playback' To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2009-03-26, wrote: > This error is common here, and I have difficulty connecting > to other users. That is, I usually cannot..... Go to "Options" then "Sound Devices" and try changing the "Sound Out" pulldown menu until it works. (If you get the "problem with audio capture" message, try the same for "Sound In".) I sometimes get this problem after a distribution upgrade or if I've been fiddling with a USB sound device since the last time I ran Skype. HTH. >> Thanks very much for Adam Funk's rapid response and to the list. >>That helps. johnP From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 16:59:32 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:59:32 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <3433657.avreAHNGWN@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> <49CBF950.5030702@sbcglobal.net> <3433657.avreAHNGWN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 05:37 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > >> (Fixed posting order, to bottom-posting style...) >> >> Justin wrote: > >> Justin - >> Actually, he wasn't being a dick, nor confrontational. He just asked >> some well thought out detailed questions. >> >> Your message is the one that was confrontational, and you were the one >> being a dick. > > Yep. NoOp might have been a dick (unusual for him, but I'm surprised at > the "not for general discussion" netcop attitude). I might have been a > dick - _not_ unusual. But Richard asked reasonable questions that could > only be considered confrontational by somebody who was scared that Ubuntu > wouldn't compare well to Windows. BullS#$*. I don't mind the first sentence - I've been called worse. But I *definitely* mind the last. From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 16:27:27 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:27:27 -0300 Subject: Virtualization (was Re: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCCF2C.5090907@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <2134403.NieuORgqph@cedar.serverforest.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Points well taken but, my understanding is that virtualizing via kvm > (Kernel Virtual Mode), particularly if you have the virtualization > extensions implemented in your CPU and your motherboard supports it, and My understanding (after a fair bit of research) is that virtualizing via kvm is _dependent_ on the CPU extensions > many do these days, but, alas, your average home machine seems still _not_ to have them. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 16:30:19 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:30:19 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <1811218.ypESumJGAo@cedar.serverforest.com> <20090327162932.b98854a9.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <1744791.PL7Rltzaea@cedar.serverforest.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:00:10 -0300 > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Again, I'm sure you're right. Virtualbox does actually claim to be able >> to do 3D, now, but I wouldn't count on it. > > It only does OpenGL not DirectX aiui, so no good for Windows. > Still, even OpenGL under a Linux guest didn't appear to work for me. > In a terminal if I query "glxinfo |grep rendering", it does say > "Yes"... however when I tried to run desktop effects or Googleearth, > both failed... Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't count on it. I don't do much 3D, but thought I had run into problems some weeks back. -- derek From mlnx at mho.com Fri Mar 27 17:19:44 2009 From: mlnx at mho.com (Mike Adolf) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:19:44 -0600 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? Message-ID: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and ran a security update this morning. Mike From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 16:23:46 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:23:46 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CC9D5C.5070703@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <49CCC7B1.7000104@chrononomicon.com> <49CCCDD0.1090308@gmail.com> <49CCD1C6.5000500@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <1818927.iaAu9A6m2k@cedar.serverforest.com> Bart Silverstrim wrote: > All good points, I was just pointing out what you experienced...you > achieved your end goal, using or trial-running or dual-booting Windows > and Linux, without being aware of what was going on. For most users just > starting out that's "good enough". Otherwise they're struggling with the > concept of permissions or using synaptic, while reading a metric > poo-load of information on various forms of virtualization...it's > daunting and something they could also pick up from some simple google > searches once they know what to search for (WUBI, vmware, virtualbox...) > and can find the respective FAQ's on using them. I was a little > concerned he might get information overload just starting out :-) otoh, I was concerned he might think he was running a Windows program :-) -- derek From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Fri Mar 27 17:30:09 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:30:09 -0400 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: Check your date/time. I ran into the same issue with a invalid date/time. The issue here is that you can't set the date/time without root... Hope this helps, Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Mike Adolf Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:20 PM To: ubuntu-users Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and ran a security update this morning. Mike -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Fri Mar 27 17:31:04 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:31:04 -0400 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: <20090327163257.ec7b0479.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: I hate to play the obvious card, but do you have xscreensaver configured? (System>Prefs>Screensaver in default GNOME interface) That got me the other day while trying to set up a Kiosk system... Hope it's this easy! - Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Vincent Trouilliez Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:33 AM To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:45:03 -0700 Ray Parrish wrote: > Try "xset -dpms" to see if this disables the behavior. It will not > stick session to session however, according to "man xset" so I'm not > sure how to make it permanent. "xset q" will give the current settings. Thanks Ray, will try that. xset q reports the following: ********** Screen Saver: prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes timeout: 0 cycle: 0 ********** The time out delay is '0', I presume it means 'never' trigger the screensaver. -- Vince -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Fri Mar 27 17:32:02 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:32:02 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks In-Reply-To: <49CCF985.8090009@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have also heard good things about the Asus systems with Ubuntu. Dell's 9" mini can be purchased with Ubuntu pre-installed, so that says something for the hardware support. Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Freitag Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: Ubuntu on Asus/Acer netbooks Nik N wrote: > If anybody reading this has successfully installed Ubuntu on either > Asus or Acer 10"-screen "netbook" (Asus EEEPC, Acer Aspire One), I > would much appreciate hearing the details, such as: which make/model > netbook, which version of Ubuntu and which, if any, peripherals ARE > NOT fully operational. > > Thank you in advance, > Nik N. > I have a bunch of friends that have Asus EeePC and have installed Ubuntu on them. I personally run it on a Lenovo S10 netbook without issues as well as my friends with Asus. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 17:32:20 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:32:20 -0700 Subject: preferred applications in gnome/nautilus In-Reply-To: <49CCED3F.5000403@neuroweave.nl> References: <49CCED3F.5000403@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 08:14 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote: > I have a small annoying problem because I can't find (or have forgotten) > where the applications, visible in nautilus, can be changed > (when right-clicking on a filename a menu pops up with a list of > applications). > I've looked on all items under System-> Preferences and System-> > Administration but nothing is there and the help information is not very > helpful. > I want e.g. to start OO-files to read with OO 3.01 but nautilus finds > only OO 2.4, and it will stubornly try to start khexedit but I want to > use Ghex (I use Gnome from the start). > It must be something simple but I can't find it and hope somebody has > more knowledge and can help me out. > My system: AMD64 OS: Hardy. > Thanks in advance, > Joep > Right click the file, select Properties|Open With - or right click and select Open With|Open with other application. You most likely will not find your 3.0.1 in the dropdown list of programs (yet), so you will need to add it. Use 'Use a custom command' and then 'Browse'. Browse to your 3.0.1 swriter, scalc, etc. (File System|Opt|openoffice.org3|program) and use that to start the document. Thereafter you should then see swriter, scalc, etc., in the dropdown program list. The files that are associated with the list are located in: ~/.local/share/applications default.list and mimeapps.list OOo files are 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument' You can modify the associated .desktop file if you wish. For example here is a basic swriter 'userapp-swriter-.desktop' file: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Type=Application Exec='/opt/openoffice.org3/program/swriter' %f Name=swriter Comment=Custom definition for swriter NoDisplay=true It can be modified to show an icon in the dropdown list & a better definition: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Icon=ooo-writer Type=Application Categories=Application;Office;WordProcessor; Exec='/opt/openoffice.org3/program/swriter' %f Name=OpenOffice.org3 Word Processor Comment=Custom definition for OOo3 swriter NoDisplay=true MimeType=application/msword;application/rtf;application/vnd.ms-works;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-template;application/vnd.stardivision.writer;application/vnd.stardivision.writer-global;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.template;application/vnd.wordperfect;application/wordperfect;application/x-extension-txt;application/x-t602;text/plain;text/rtf;application/vnd.ms-word.document.macroEnabled.12;application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document;application/vnd.ms-word.template.macroEnabled.12;application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.template; From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Fri Mar 27 17:33:00 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:33:00 -0400 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: <49CD0DCC.1020608@ercbroadband.org> Mike Adolf wrote: > Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both > give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works > and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and > ran a security update this morning. > > Mike > The only time I've seen this happen before is with a glibc update breaking it. I would start there. SOmetimes re-installing glibc fixes that. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From rlp1938 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 17:43:07 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:43:07 +0700 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903271043w2cbbd8ccjd4eb9e2d52f4c818@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Mike Adolf wrote: > Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both > give "authentication failed" error.  System/Root Terminal still works > and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and > ran a security update this morning. I'm guessing that /etc/sudoers got clobbered or that your user name got removed from the admin group in /etc/group You can compare your /etc/sudoers with mine below. Bob Parker # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. # # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. # Defaults env_reset # Host alias specification # User alias specification # Cmnd alias specification # User privilege specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move # it further down) # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL 25,1 Bot -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 17:46:02 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:46:02 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <1397558.9EIs0yOauu@cedar.serverforest.com> <49CBE854.9010307@gmail.com> <49CBF950.5030702@sbcglobal.net> <3433657.avreAHNGWN@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <14102424.O8c6bxao6E@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/26/2009 05:37 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Yep. NoOp might have been a dick (unusual for him, but I'm surprised at >> the "not for general discussion" netcop attitude). I might have been a >> dick - _not_ unusual. But Richard asked reasonable questions that could >> only be considered confrontational by somebody who was scared that Ubuntu >> wouldn't compare well to Windows. > > BullS#$*. I don't mind the first sentence - I've been called worse. But > I *definitely* mind the last. Which last? Netcop? Where do you get off telling somebody he can't ask questions about Ubuntu applications here? I gave you the benefit of the doubt because you're one of the more knowledgeable and rational people here, but that was out of line. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 27 17:43:14 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:43:14 -0300 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBC693.70402@ercbroadband.org> <1488514.eZOiULE2at@cedar.serverforest.com> <1271598.c5oDbzXaxo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <27547261.2YjdIXcelC@cedar.serverforest.com> NoOp wrote: > On 03/26/2009 05:43 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> NoOp wrote: > >>> How does Wubi work? >>> >>> Wubi adds an entry to the Windows boot menu which allows you to run >>> Linux. Ubuntu is installed within a file in the Windows file system >>> (c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), this file is seen by Linux as a real hard >>> disk. >> >> But that's the important point - it only INSTALLS like a Windows program. >> Because it then runs direct from the Windows Boot Manager, it _doesn't_ >> run, in any sense, as a Windows _program_. > > Wubi *is* a windows program and is a front-end to lupin and ubiquity. So > the correct statement should have been: > > "Or, install via a Windows program Wubi:" > > https://launchpad.net/wubi > > There, happy now? Yes, thanks. It's a pretty important difference: Wubi runs as a windows program, Linux doesn't. -- derek From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 27 18:15:52 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:15:52 +0100 Subject: Screen keeps going blank but should NOT ! :-/ In-Reply-To: References: <20090327163257.ec7b0479.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <20090327191552.37082683.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> "kyle.smith" wrote: > I hate to play the obvious card, Well sometimes it does help... > but do you have xscreensaver configured? I think xscreensaver got replaced by gnome-screensaver at least a year ago. it's not installed anymore according to synaptic, though a couple other xscreensaver-data/gl packages ARE installed, but it seems they are actually general purpose packages useful to any screensaver, and gnome-screensaver actually depends on them. > That got me the other day while trying to set up a Kiosk system... > Hope it's this easy! Well at least it was worth a try, thanks for the suggestion ;-) -- Vince From thezorch at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 18:55:29 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:55:29 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu and the Atom Processor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the input, I thought that would be the case. I'm going to go ahead with building the system then. I built this machine back in 2004 and its really showing its age now. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 19:00:21 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:00:21 -0600 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: <49CD2245.4070804@gmail.com> Mike Adolf wrote: > Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both > give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works > and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and > ran a security update this morning. > > Mike > > Mike do you think it was the update that broke su? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From benjamin1254 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 19:01:34 2009 From: benjamin1254 at gmail.com (a_puzzeled_newbie(^_^);) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:01:34 -0500 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: <49CBF75B.3030204@hirschman.net> References: <49CBF75B.3030204@hirschman.net> Message-ID: <7cd3d6810903271201u424c50d4pda7a71251c653360@mail.gmail.com> not to hijack this message but i am also looking into something about the same only free-ware and open source. I am gana try geexbox this weekend to see what i can come up with. --ben On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Hirschman wrote: > Brian McKee wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. > > I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff > > back. What's the best way to do that? > > Have you looked at TwonkyMedia? It is payware, but it runs on Linux, and > it is supposed to be Xbox 360 compatible. > > See: http://www.twonkyvision.de/buy_server.html > > They have a 30 day free trial. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My system specs: OS: Kubuntu 8.10 CPU: 1.2GHz AMD Athlon XP 2000+ RAM: 1GB Hard Drive: 160GB ATA-100 Maxtor Video: 8x AGP Nvidia Geforce FX 5600 w/256 RAM Sound: Sound Blaster Live Any ideas? This problem is getting really pronounced lately. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From 4030man at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 19:20:27 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:20:27 -0700 Subject: Keyboard Lag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CD26FB.2050907@gmail.com> Nolan flopped in chair, hunched shoulders, and pecked out: > Ok, it going to take me a while to build a new system, even the > cheaper $200 Atom-based rig I plan to build due to money woes. So, in > the meantime I need to use this machine still and I've been noticing a > problem. > > I get keyboard lag. What do I mean, well as I type for a while what I > type appears on screen immediately as it should but from time to time > the cursor stops and then what I've been typing suddenly all appears > at once and then things go back to normal. This happens not just in > Firefox but also in Open Office and even Kate. Its like there is > something hanging the system every few seconds but I've checked CPU > usage and I can't find anything that's causing it. [snip] > > Any ideas? This problem is getting really pronounced lately. > Not sure about FF, in OO and Kate, are they saving the file? Nolan From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Fri Mar 27 19:27:58 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:27:58 +0100 Subject: Keyboard Lag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090327202758.3ae22664.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Michael Haney wrote: > I get keyboard lag. What do I mean, well as I type for a while what I > type appears on screen immediately as it should but from time to time > the cursor stops and then what I've been typing suddenly all appears > at once and then things go back to normal. This happens not just in > Firefox but also in Open Office and even Kate. Its like there is > something hanging the system every few seconds but I've checked CPU > usage and I can't find anything that's causing it.Sound: Sound Blaster Live > > Any ideas? This problem is getting really pronounced lately. I am not sure what I am about to describe is your problem, but at least it's a potential lead. My problem was that when I was typing a long e-mail, regularly the cursor would stop typing my text, it would hang for a few seconds, then the text I typed during this interval would appear all of a sudden. I found that the problem was two fold: 1) My internet serivce provider sometimes (once a year maybe) gives me troubles: connecting to sites is very slow. Once connected, it's fast, but the act of connecting is very slow. 2) My e-mail client is set to poll my POP mail server every 3 minutes. So every 3 minutes it was trying to connect to the server, but since the connection was crappy, it would hang/wait for the server, and while doing so, it would stop reading what I was typing when composing an e-mail. Since most e-mail are very short, it only showed when writing long e-mails. The problem of course is that the e-mail client (was/is "Sylpheed" in this case) should treat things in parallel, so that polling a server doesn't hang the composing window. Sylphee still has this problem, but since my ISP exhibits slow connection times only very rarely, it's not really a problem in practice... though it would still be nice to see Sylpheed get fixed. You problem happens in other applications, that's why I am not sure how relevant my experience is to you. However, Firefox is obviously related to networking, and text editors/Kate, may also be connected to the network, so may be affected by network problems like Sylpheed is. HTH -- Vince From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 19:40:57 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:40:57 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: <7cd3d6810903271201u424c50d4pda7a71251c653360@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CBF75B.3030204@hirschman.net> <7cd3d6810903271201u424c50d4pda7a71251c653360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Hirschman > wrote: >> > I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. >> > I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff >> > back.  What's the best way to do that? >> Have you looked at TwonkyMedia? It is payware, but it runs on Linux, and >> it is supposed to be Xbox 360 compatible. >> See: http://www.twonkyvision.de/buy_server.html >> They have a 30 day free trial. 2009/3/27 a_puzzeled_newbie(^_^); : > not to hijack this message but i am also looking into something about the > same only free-ware and open source. I am gana try geexbox this weekend to > see what i can come up with. Thanks for the Twonky note. I've found a few other posts mentioning it now as well. Guess I'll try the trial. I'd prefer open source, but I don't mind buying from someone that produces software for linux. I'll likely try uShare too and see how it does re memory consumption. The box is pretty limited as it is. Brian From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Fri Mar 27 20:04:49 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:04:49 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: <7cd3d6810903271201u424c50d4pda7a71251c653360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been using ushare for about a year. I'm fairly sure it's in the repositories for Ubuntu. It worked famously until about 5 months ago after a 360 update. Now video works fine but the Music requests return large lists of songs no matter which menu you select (Artist, Album, Song). The song menu works, but it's the filenames for 1,500 songs and is very unusable. For video I've had no problems but I have been considerig a switch to Twonky, or getting myself a SageTV HD200. HTH, Kyle ________________________________ From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of a_puzzeled_newbie(^_^); Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:02 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: Streaming video to an XBox360 not to hijack this message but i am also looking into something about the same only free-ware and open source. I am gana try geexbox this weekend to see what i can come up with. --ben On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Hirschman wrote: Brian McKee wrote: > Hi All > > I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. > I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff > back. What's the best way to do that? Have you looked at TwonkyMedia? It is payware, but it runs on Linux, and it is supposed to be Xbox 360 compatible. See: http://www.twonkyvision.de/buy_server.html They have a 30 day free trial. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 20:06:35 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:06:35 -0700 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 10:19 AM, Mike Adolf wrote: > Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both > give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works > and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and > ran a security update this morning. > > Mike > Do you have a root account? >From the past two days updates (Hardy) - I have proposed repo enabled: Commit Log for Fri Mar 27 09:32:51 2009 Upgraded the following packages: libicu38 (3.8-6) to 3.8-6ubuntu0.1 libxine1 (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-bin (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-console (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-ffmpeg (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-gnome (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-misc-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-plugins (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 libxine1-x (1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.2) to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.3 Commit Log for Thu Mar 26 08:07:22 2009 Upgraded the following packages: linux-headers-2.6.24-24 (2.6.24-24.50) to 2.6.24-24.51 linux-headers-2.6.24-24-386 (2.6.24-24.50) to 2.6.24-24.51 linux-headers-2.6.24-24-generic (2.6.24-24.50) to 2.6.24-24.51 linux-image-2.6.24-24-generic (2.6.24-24.50) to 2.6.24-24.51 linux-libc-dev (2.6.24-24.50) to 2.6.24-24.51 tzdata (2009b-0ubuntu0.8.04) to 2009c-0ubuntu0.8.04 Now the interesting thing is on this machine where I have a root account, I cannot open Synaptic without using the root pass word rather than my user password. It also provides a new password popup that has an option to save the password for the session and or add it to the keyring. I get the same issue on gksu and sudo. On an identical machine with no root account installed (same updates), Synaptics works as normal. From kjetil1001 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 20:17:58 2009 From: kjetil1001 at gmail.com (Kjetil Halvorsen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:17:58 -0400 Subject: bit torrent Message-ID: <1f6d6c820903271317m5820597dq2fcf1eade0f1a311@mail.gmail.com> Hola! I just downloaded the torrents for ubuntu 9.04 beta, and loaded them in Transmission. They are not downloading!, there are no peers! Ias this true, or a problem with my installation? ( I had transmission working earlier ...) Kjetil -- "Mathematics is not the rigid and rigidity-producing schema that the layman thinks it is; rather, in it we find ourselves at that meeting point of constraint and freedom that is the very essence of human nature." - Hermann Weyl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 20:35:35 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:35:35 -0700 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 01:06 PM, NoOp wrote: > Now the interesting thing is on this machine where I have a root > account, I cannot open Synaptic without using the root pass word rather > than my user password. It also provides a new password popup that has an > option to save the password for the session and or add it to the > keyring. I get the same issue on gksu and sudo. > > On an identical machine with no root account installed (same updates), > Synaptics works as normal. Sorry for the noise... found my Hardy issue: $ ps -e |grep gconf 10926 ? 00:00:04 gconfd-2 $ kill 10926 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2 From mlnx at mho.com Fri Mar 27 21:21:30 2009 From: mlnx at mho.com (Mike Adolf) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:21:30 -0600 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD0DCC.1020608@ercbroadband.org> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> <49CD0DCC.1020608@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49CD435A.4060908@mho.com> Mark Haney wrote: > Mike Adolf wrote: > >> Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both >> give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works >> and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and >> ran a security update this morning. >> >> Mike >> >> > > The only time I've seen this happen before is with a glibc update > breaking it. I would start there. SOmetimes re-installing glibc fixes that. > > > I have no glibc! synaptic shows glibc source. Apt-get can not find glibc. I have all the std repositories - and then some. Mike From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 21:28:35 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:28:35 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: References: <7cd3d6810903271201u424c50d4pda7a71251c653360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/3/27 kyle.smith : > I've been using ushare for about a year.  I'm fairly sure it's in the > repositories for Ubuntu.  It worked famously until about 5 months ago after > a 360 update.  Now video works fine but the Music requests return large > lists of songs no matter which menu you select (Artist, Album, Song).  The > song menu works, but it's the filenames for 1,500 songs and is very > unusable. > > For video I've had no problems but I have been considerig a switch to > Twonky, or getting myself a SageTV HD200. So uShare just delivers a flat list of Videos by file name too? or are they separated by genre or something? (Never used uPnP) Brian From erik at comprehensivepower.com Fri Mar 27 21:38:32 2009 From: erik at comprehensivepower.com (Erik Hemdal) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Solved] Long cronjobs terminate after 2 minutes/Ubuntu 8.10 In-Reply-To: <20090327163339.GB17643@v-shell-1> Message-ID: <8C4567AB642447EDA4A585F7DED86AAC@HEMDAL> > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 09:53:09AM -0400, Erik Hemdal wrote: > > I use a cronjob to backup several directories on a Ubuntu > 8.10 system. > > This is done by a shell script which issues a series of commands on > > each of several subdirectories. > > > > When I run the script in the foreground, it takes about 2 hours to > > complete, and it runs successfully. When I run it in a cronjob, it > > terminates silently without an error after running for about two > > minutes. . . . . > > I've already verified that the script is executable, that the full > > path to the script is given in /etc/crontab, and that the > full path to > > each command in the script is also specified. I'm running > the script > > as root. And there is an empty line at the end of my /etc/crontab > > file (this was mentioned in one forum post I found as a requirement > > for cron to work right). I've tried running the job with > nohup to try > > to keep it alive. Nothing has been successful. > > > > Other brief cronjobs that I run under similar conditions work > > correctly, but they take less than two minutes each to go. . . . . > > > Have you got your system set up so that cron sends mail to > someone useful? I.e. if there's a cron error do you get to > see the error message? > > What user owns the crontab file being executed by cron? If > it's an ordinary user then that user should receive mail when > *any* text is output by the cron job. If it's being run by a > user who doesn't normally get mail then add a > "MAILTO= crontab file and you may get some useful diagnostics. Chris, thank you for the reply. /etc/crontab is owned by root with filemode 644. I discovered that no mail was in fact set up, so I installed the postfix and bsd-mailx packages. I configured Postfix for local mail only and updated /etc/crontab to send mail to my working user, not root. With no other changes, the cronjob now appears to run properly. Apparently there's a dependency on postfix (which I had expected to be configured by default, I guess). I'm assuming that configuring the MTA is what did it. Thanks for the reminder to make sure an MTA was running. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 27 21:39:29 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:39:29 -0700 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 02:06 PM, Brian McKee wrote: > Hi All > > I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. > I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff > back. What's the best way to do that? > > I tried MediaTomb as it advertises itself as a uPNP server, but it > looks like it doesn't output to an Xbox360, just a PS3. > > uShare (that comes with GeexBox) says it runs in ram, so I'm pretty > sure it'd choke on my mp3 collection. > > Suggestions please? > > Brian > I across this today when trying to find something that will provide a plugin for Movie Network (movienetworks.com) streaming video (CBS/CW etc) that may be of interest: http://xbmc.org/home/ http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_Online_Manual http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions Perhaps you can find something there that applies? From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Fri Mar 27 21:43:15 2009 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:43:15 +0000 Subject: bit torrent In-Reply-To: <1f6d6c820903271317m5820597dq2fcf1eade0f1a311@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f6d6c820903271317m5820597dq2fcf1eade0f1a311@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD4873.2080800@GoogleMail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kjetil Halvorsen wrote: > Hola! > > I just downloaded the torrents for ubuntu 9.04 beta, and loaded them in > Transmission. > They are not downloading!, there are no peers! > > Ias this true, or a problem with my installation? > ( I had transmission working earlier ...) > > Kjetil > There are 70 peers for the desktop i386 ISO at the moment. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknNRvAACgkQICATF4lwn1pWPQCfeaSoF+t+mGS0s9+GpeadoLPf 5V8An3ZS4ih52Fj+ak/ihZMp2GIFYN8S =JiCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 21:44:10 2009 From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:44:10 +0100 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <930ea9d10903271444h6484a84epa8427f296c0c37d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, All my videos and MP3's are hosted on my NAS, sharing directories using samba. My Xbox 360 can read from them flawlessly via wifi. Vincent From thezorch at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 22:36:05 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:36:05 -0400 Subject: Keyboard Lag In-Reply-To: <20090327202758.3ae22664.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090327202758.3ae22664.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > I am not sure what I am about to describe is your problem, but at least > it's a potential lead. > My problem was that when I was typing a long e-mail, regularly the > cursor would stop typing my text, it would hang for a few seconds, then > the text I typed during this interval would appear all of a sudden. > I found that the problem was two fold: > > 1) My internet serivce provider sometimes (once a year maybe) gives me > troubles: connecting to sites is very slow. Once connected, it's fast, > but the act of connecting is very slow. > > 2) My e-mail client is set to poll my POP mail server every 3 minutes. > So every 3 minutes it was trying to connect to the server, but since > the connection was crappy, it would hang/wait for the server, and while > doing so, it would stop reading what I was typing when composing an > e-mail. Since most e-mail are very short, it only showed when writing > long e-mails. The problem of course is that the e-mail client (was/is > "Sylpheed" in this case) should treat things in parallel, so that > polling a server doesn't hang the composing window. > > Sylphee still has this problem, but since my ISP exhibits slow > connection times only very rarely, it's not really a problem in > practice... though it would still be nice to see Sylpheed get fixed. > > You problem happens in other applications, that's why I am not sure how > relevant my experience is to you. However, Firefox is obviously related > to networking, and text editors/Kate, may also be connected to the > network, so may be affected by network problems like Sylpheed is. > That is the exact same issue I'm having but my ISP doesn't experience slowdown. In fact typing an email shouldn't be effected by connection speed at all, though. I access Gmail directly through FF. When I get the lag, for lack of a better description), in OO or Kate they are not saving anything. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From a24061 at ducksburg.com Fri Mar 27 22:33:40 2009 From: a24061 at ducksburg.com (Adam Funk) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:33:40 +0000 Subject: Skype- 'problem with audio playback' References: <20090326162441.BRI94000@ms13.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <4r00a6-eao.ln1@news.ducksburg.com> On 2009-03-26, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Adam Funk wrote: >> On 2009-03-26, wrote: >> >>> This error is common here, and I have difficulty connecting >>> to other users. That is, I usually cannot. Can they be >>>  related? Am I ok here, instead of some Skype list? >> >> Go to "Options" then "Sound Devices" and try changing the "Sound Out" >> pulldown menu until it works. >> >> (If you get the "problem with audio capture" message, try the same for >> "Sound In".) >> >> I sometimes get this problem after a distribution upgrade or if I've >> been fiddling with a USB sound device since the last time I ran Skype. >> >> HTH. > > Perhaps you could try to update PulseAudio through the link provided > in this previous posting: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/178567.html Thanks, I'll look into that. (I'm still trying to get the external USB sound card working.) From ajj9 at case.edu Fri Mar 27 22:51:22 2009 From: ajj9 at case.edu (Andrew Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:51:22 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other Message-ID: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but the times are still always 4 hours apart. -- Andy Johnson From klarsen1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 22:52:40 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:52:40 -0600 Subject: OT: Some email arrives twice In-Reply-To: <20090326140536.5833a536@WizardsTower> References: <49CBC57E.5010007@gmail.com> <20090326140536.5833a536@WizardsTower> Message-ID: <49CD58B8.4090400@gmail.com> Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > "Karl F. Larsen" said: > >> I am using POP3 from Gmail at this time and I have it set to leave >> the email on Gmail. Has anyone fixed this problem and remember what >> they did? >> >> Karl >> I have done this: 1. In the "qfox" directory I am getting exactly 2 copies of every email going to it. This is the only directory with this problem. 2. I looked at all the email on Gmail in the Trash directory and all of that which is to "gfox" is a single email. This seems to be normal for Gmail set up to POP3 the mail to my computers Thunderbird. 3. This tells me the problem must be at Thunderbird. I opened file to move any mail for gFox to that directory and erased it. I then went to a gfox message and made a new entry for gfox. Now I wait for another message to gfox so I can tell it is fixed. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 23:18:05 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:18:05 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: <930ea9d10903271444h6484a84epa8427f296c0c37d@mail.gmail.com> References: <930ea9d10903271444h6484a84epa8427f296c0c37d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Hi, > All my videos and MP3's are hosted on my NAS, sharing directories > using samba. My Xbox 360 can read from them flawlessly via wifi. Just SMB shares? Mine are shared out already - what did you do to get the Xbox360 to see them? e.g. I didn't see anywhere to put a workgroup etc.... Brian From unreal.linux at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 23:20:41 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:20:41 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> Message-ID: <49CD5F49.5080002@gmail.com> Andrew Johnson wrote: > I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows > is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it > also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. > > > I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but > the times are still always 4 hours apart. > The times should not be affecting one another because when you are booted into Windows, there should not be settings that get changed in Ubuntu because you are not booted in it and vice versa. Are you positive that you are dual booted and not running Ubuntu as a virtual machine while booted into Windows? -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From ajj9 at case.edu Fri Mar 27 23:23:53 2009 From: ajj9 at case.edu (Andrew Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:23:53 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: <49CD5F49.5080002@gmail.com> References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> <49CD5F49.5080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD6009.10404@case.edu> Yes, I am definitely dual booting. Andy Johnson Dirk Freitag wrote: > Andrew Johnson wrote: >> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows >> is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it >> also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. >> >> >> I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but >> the times are still always 4 hours apart. >> > > The times should not be affecting one another because when you are > booted into Windows, there should not be settings that get changed in > Ubuntu because you are not booted in it and vice versa. Are you > positive that you are dual booted and not running Ubuntu as a virtual > machine while booted into Windows? > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 23:24:56 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:24:56 -0400 Subject: Streaming video to an XBox360 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/26/2009 02:06 PM, Brian McKee wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I've got a headless linux box with a bunch of video and audio on it. >> I want to use my sparkling new Xbox360 to play some of that stuff >> back.  What's the best way to do that? > I across this today when trying to find something that will provide a > plugin for Movie Network (movienetworks.com) streaming video (CBS/CW > etc) that may be of interest: > > http://xbmc.org/home/ >  http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_Online_Manual >  http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions > Perhaps you can find something there that applies? Actually, I have an Xbox (original) running XBox Media Centre (the XMBC in your links) already. But with two Xboxes, an Xbox360 and a Wii in the stereo cabinet, I'm trying to remove at least one piece, so if I could get the 360 to work as a media centre I could take the XBMC outa there (and put it in the bedroom likely) Brian From mlnx at mho.com Fri Mar 27 23:27:44 2009 From: mlnx at mho.com (Mike Adolf) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:27:44 -0600 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903271043w2cbbd8ccjd4eb9e2d52f4c818@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> <8f6eb7340903271043w2cbbd8ccjd4eb9e2d52f4c818@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD60F0.80006@mho.com> Robert Parker wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Mike Adolf wrote: > >> Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both >> give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works >> and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and >> ran a security update this morning. >> > I'm guessing that /etc/sudoers got clobbered or that your user name > got removed from the admin group in /etc/group > > You can compare your /etc/sudoers with mine below. > > Bob Parker > > # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. > # > # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. > # > > Defaults env_reset > > # Host alias specification > > # User alias specification > > # Cmnd alias specification > > # User privilege specification > root ALL=(ALL) ALL > > # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password > # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move > # it further down) > # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL > > # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges > %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL > 25,1 Bot > > > > > > I am in admin group in /etc/group. My sudoers looks exactly like yours. Thanks, MIke From brian.mckee at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 23:34:52 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:34:52 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: > I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta.  The time in Windows > is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu.  Whenever I change the time in one it > also changes it in the other.  The BIOS clock shows the correct time. > > > I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but > the times are still always 4 hours apart. Your in Eastern under Daylight savings then :-) Yep - Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, and Unix usually wants UTC. I believe the fix is to set in /etc/default/rcS the line UTC=yes to UTC=no and reboot into Windows. Make sure the clock is right there, then boot back into Ubuntu. Brian From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Fri Mar 27 23:48:04 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:48:04 +0100 Subject: preferred applications in gnome/nautilus In-Reply-To: References: <49CCED3F.5000403@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: <49CD65B4.30606@neuroweave.nl> NoOp wrote: > On 03/27/2009 08:14 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote: >> I have a small annoying problem because I can't find (or have forgotten) >> where the applications, visible in nautilus, can be changed >> (when right-clicking on a filename a menu pops up with a list of >> applications). >> I've looked on all items under System-> Preferences and System-> >> Administration but nothing is there and the help information is not very >> helpful. >> I want e.g. to start OO-files to read with OO 3.01 but nautilus finds >> only OO 2.4, and it will stubornly try to start khexedit but I want to >> use Ghex (I use Gnome from the start). >> It must be something simple but I can't find it and hope somebody has >> more knowledge and can help me out. >> My system: AMD64 OS: Hardy. >> Thanks in advance, >> Joep >> > > Right click the file, select Properties|Open With - or right click and > select Open With|Open with other application. You most likely will not > find your 3.0.1 in the dropdown list of programs (yet), so you will need > to add it. Use 'Use a custom command' and then 'Browse'. Browse to your > 3.0.1 swriter, scalc, etc. (File System|Opt|openoffice.org3|program) and > use that to start the document. Thereafter you should then see swriter, > scalc, etc., in the dropdown program list. > > The files that are associated with the list are located in: > ~/.local/share/applications > default.list and mimeapps.list > OOo files are 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument' > > You can modify the associated .desktop file if you wish. For example > here is a basic swriter 'userapp-swriter-.desktop' file: > > [Desktop Entry] > Encoding=UTF-8 > Version=1.0 > Type=Application > Exec='/opt/openoffice.org3/program/swriter' %f > Name=swriter > Comment=Custom definition for swriter > NoDisplay=true > > It can be modified to show an icon in the dropdown list & a better > definition: > > [Desktop Entry] > Encoding=UTF-8 > Version=1.0 > Icon=ooo-writer > Type=Application > Categories=Application;Office;WordProcessor; > Exec='/opt/openoffice.org3/program/swriter' %f > Name=OpenOffice.org3 Word Processor > Comment=Custom definition for OOo3 swriter > NoDisplay=true > MimeType=application/msword;application/rtf;application/vnd.ms-works;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master;application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-template;application/vnd.stardivision.writer;application/vnd.stardivision.writer-global;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.template;application/vnd.wordperfect;application/wordperfect;application/x-extension-txt;application/x-t602;text/plain;text/rtf;application/vnd.ms-word.document.macroEnabled.12;application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document;application/vnd.ms-word.template.macroEnabled.12;application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.template; > > > > > Noop, Thanks a lot! That was exactly the information I was looking for. I think I can solve it however, it will take a lot of editing as there are several entries in that directory that I want to change. However, I know now how to solve this and will use it. You are invaluable for finding and giving solutions to problems for everybody on this list. Joep From unreal.linux at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 00:48:49 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:48:49 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> Message-ID: <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: >> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows >> is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it >> also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. >> >> >> I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but >> the times are still always 4 hours apart. > > Your in Eastern under Daylight savings then :-) > > Yep - Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, and Unix > usually wants UTC. > > I believe the fix is to set in /etc/default/rcS the line UTC=yes to > UTC=no and reboot into Windows. Make sure the clock is right there, > then boot back into Ubuntu. > > Brian > Brian, I am confused as to how the two OSes can affect one another like that. If you are not booted into Ubuntu, it shouldn't matter what the time is set to in Windows and visa versa. He was saying that if he changes the time in Windows, then the time in Ubuntu changes as well. This absolutely makes no sense to me. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 00:55:32 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:55:32 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Brian McKee wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: >>> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta.  The time in Windows >>> is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu.  Whenever I change the time in one it >>> also changes it in the other.  The BIOS clock shows the correct time. >>> >>> >>> I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but >>> the times are still always 4 hours apart. >> >> Your in Eastern under Daylight savings then :-) >> >> Yep - Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, and Unix >> usually wants UTC. >> >> I believe the fix is to set in /etc/default/rcS the line UTC=yes to >> UTC=no and reboot into Windows.  Make sure the clock is right there, >> then boot back into Ubuntu. >> >> Brian >> > > Brian, > > I am confused as to how the two OSes can affect one another like that. > If you are not booted into Ubuntu, it shouldn't matter what the time is > set to in Windows and visa versa.  He was saying that if he changes the > time in Windows, then the time in Ubuntu changes as well.  This > absolutely makes no sense to me. The BIOS is the base clock and keeps time when the OS is off. He boots into Windows, and the time is out. He either fixes it by hand or via time server, and Windows helpfully 'fixes' the time on the hardware clock on the motherboard in BIOS. Then he reboots into Ubuntu, and it picks up the time from the motherboard and sets the OS to that time. It's out by 4 hours because Linux expects the hardware clock to be UTC rather than EDT. In Ubuntu he either fixes the time manually or by ntp time server, then when he shuts down Linux helpfully 'fixes' the hardware clock. And around we go... Note you don't get this when you run one or the other virtualized - just when you dual boot. Does that explain it better? Brian From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 01:06:37 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? In-Reply-To: <49CD435A.4060908@mho.com> Message-ID: <111991.50832.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mike Adolf wrote: From: Mike Adolf Subject: Re: sudo and su stopped working?? To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 4:21 PM Mark Haney wrote: > Mike Adolf wrote: > >> Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both >> give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works >> and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and >> ran a security update this morning. >> >> Mike >> >> > > The only time I've seen this happen before is with a glibc update > breaking it. I would start there. SOmetimes re-installing glibc fixes that. > > > I have no glibc! synaptic shows glibc source. Apt-get can not find glibc. I have all the std repositories - and then some. Mike Glibc is provided by libc6 in Intrepid 64 bit. You most likely have it installed as it is required. You can find a lot of info using aptitude or apt-cache search or show . Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From unreal.linux at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 01:00:23 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:00:23 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD76A7.8060607@gmail.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Brian McKee wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: >>>> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows >>>> is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it >>>> also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but >>>> the times are still always 4 hours apart. >>> Your in Eastern under Daylight savings then :-) >>> >>> Yep - Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, and Unix >>> usually wants UTC. >>> >>> I believe the fix is to set in /etc/default/rcS the line UTC=yes to >>> UTC=no and reboot into Windows. Make sure the clock is right there, >>> then boot back into Ubuntu. >>> >>> Brian >>> >> Brian, >> >> I am confused as to how the two OSes can affect one another like that. >> If you are not booted into Ubuntu, it shouldn't matter what the time is >> set to in Windows and visa versa. He was saying that if he changes the >> time in Windows, then the time in Ubuntu changes as well. This >> absolutely makes no sense to me. > > The BIOS is the base clock and keeps time when the OS is off. > > He boots into Windows, and the time is out. He either fixes it by > hand or via time server, and Windows helpfully 'fixes' the time on the > hardware clock on the motherboard in BIOS. Then he reboots into > Ubuntu, and it picks up the time from the motherboard and sets the OS > to that time. It's out by 4 hours because Linux expects the hardware > clock to be UTC rather than EDT. In Ubuntu he either fixes the time > manually or by ntp time server, then when he shuts down Linux > helpfully 'fixes' the hardware clock. And around we go... > > Note you don't get this when you run one or the other virtualized - > just when you dual boot. > > Does that explain it better? > > Brian > Yes it does. I was not aware that the OSes changed the time in the BIOS. You learn something new everyday. Thank you for the clarification. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 01:49:33 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:49:33 -0600 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading Message-ID: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> I just d/l the Beta version of 9.04 and installed it on my old small nVidia computer with 8.04 and 8.10 in their partitions. This is in /dev/sda9 which I made this evening. I was quite happy with the loading. I was surprised that my new partition was not shown as a place to put 9.04. I choose to do a manual selection and that worked. I have the proper nvidia driver d/l and it worked as it should. To this point 9.04 Beta is a keeper. Karl From ajj9 at case.edu Sat Mar 28 02:12:41 2009 From: ajj9 at case.edu (Andrew Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:41 -0400 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other In-Reply-To: References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD8799.9020801@case.edu> That worked. Thanks a lot for the help and explanation of what was going on! Andy Johnson Brian McKee wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Brian McKee wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: >>>> I am dual booting Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows 7 beta. The time in Windows >>>> is always 4 hours ahead of Ubuntu. Whenever I change the time in one it >>>> also changes it in the other. The BIOS clock shows the correct time. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've tried changing the time zone and setting time via the Internet, but >>>> the times are still always 4 hours apart. >>> Your in Eastern under Daylight savings then :-) >>> >>> Yep - Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, and Unix >>> usually wants UTC. >>> >>> I believe the fix is to set in /etc/default/rcS the line UTC=yes to >>> UTC=no and reboot into Windows. Make sure the clock is right there, >>> then boot back into Ubuntu. >>> >>> Brian >>> >> Brian, >> >> I am confused as to how the two OSes can affect one another like that. >> If you are not booted into Ubuntu, it shouldn't matter what the time is >> set to in Windows and visa versa. He was saying that if he changes the >> time in Windows, then the time in Ubuntu changes as well. This >> absolutely makes no sense to me. > > The BIOS is the base clock and keeps time when the OS is off. > > He boots into Windows, and the time is out. He either fixes it by > hand or via time server, and Windows helpfully 'fixes' the time on the > hardware clock on the motherboard in BIOS. Then he reboots into > Ubuntu, and it picks up the time from the motherboard and sets the OS > to that time. It's out by 4 hours because Linux expects the hardware > clock to be UTC rather than EDT. In Ubuntu he either fixes the time > manually or by ntp time server, then when he shuts down Linux > helpfully 'fixes' the hardware clock. And around we go... > > Note you don't get this when you run one or the other virtualized - > just when you dual boot. > > Does that explain it better? > > Brian > From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 02:30:22 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:30:22 -0300 Subject: [Solved] Long cronjobs terminate after 2 minutes/Ubuntu 8.10 References: <20090327163339.GB17643@v-shell-1> <8C4567AB642447EDA4A585F7DED86AAC@HEMDAL> Message-ID: <35392100.SdziXafmT7@cedar.serverforest.com> Erik Hemdal wrote: > I discovered that no mail was in fact set up, so I installed the postfix > and bsd-mailx packages. I configured Postfix for local mail only and > updated /etc/crontab to send mail to my working user, not root. > > With no other changes, the cronjob now appears to run properly. > Apparently there's a dependency on postfix (which I had expected to be > configured by > default, I guess). I'm assuming that configuring the MTA is what did it. Actually there's a "recommends" for "mail-transport-agent", not a dependency, which is why it isn't installed by default. "aptitude show cron" says: " Output from the commands is usually mailed to the system administrator (or to the user in question); you should probably install a mail system as well so that you can receive these messages." Back in the dawn of Ubuntu, a decision was made that a typical desktop system did not need a mail-transport-agent. I was subscribed to a bug about this years back, because cron really requires a mail transport. I suspect the bug got lost along with many others in the migration to launchpad, because I didn't see it when I checked my bug list this week. The word back then was that cron - and any other app that would normally send mail - was going to be rewritten so that it didn't need an MTA. Obviously that never happened... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 02:20:48 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:20:48 -0300 Subject: sudo and su stopped working?? References: <49CD0AB0.60208@mho.com> <49CD0DCC.1020608@ercbroadband.org> <49CD435A.4060908@mho.com> Message-ID: <7050025.8lZQHA5vMG@cedar.serverforest.com> Mike Adolf wrote: > Mark Haney wrote: >> Mike Adolf wrote: >> >>> Don't have any idea why or how to fix it, but suddenly sudo and su both >>> give "authentication failed" error. System/Root Terminal still works >>> and User/Groups still shows I have admin privileges. I am using 8.10 and >>> ran a security update this morning. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >> >> The only time I've seen this happen before is with a glibc update >> breaking it. I would start there. SOmetimes re-installing glibc fixes >> that. >> >> >> > I have no glibc! synaptic shows glibc source. Apt-get can not find glibc. Of course you do. Your system wouldn't work at all without it :-) Unfortunately, it's some kind of graduation test for newbies - it's actually called libc6 (and it has a counterpart, libc6-i686 which has optimizations for newer - ie, pretty much everything that's still around -CPUs). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 02:36:53 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:36:53 -0300 Subject: Windows/Ubuntu Dual Boot-Setting time in one changes time in the other References: <49CD586A.4010900@case.edu> <49CD73F1.6090707@gmail.com> <49CD76A7.8060607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1724991.AlBoIYFlLd@cedar.serverforest.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Yes it does. I was not aware that the OSes changed the time in the > BIOS. You learn something new everyday. Thank you for the clarification. The OS doesn't really "change the time in the BIOS" - but both Windows and Ubuntu are setup to automatically update their times from the net, and since all *nixes expect the system time to be in UTC, when you shutdown and the system time gets saved back to the CMOS clock, it saves UTC, not local. Then Windows does the same thing and saves back local time. -- derek From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 28 03:45:30 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:45:30 -0400 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting Message-ID: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> For reasons I'm not entirely clear, / was world-writable on a machine (not the whole computer, just /). So I blithely ran: sudo chmod go-rwx / (note, no -R, I'm not *that* dumb). to correct it (can't be giving out permissions willy nilly!). Then, to admire my handiwork I did: ls zsh: command not found: ls That's odd... (repeat ls several times in hope results will change). Start typing /bi hit tab to complete instinctually, zsh auto-complete prints errors like: (eval):3: permission denied: /dev/null Finally realize what is happening (almost) Try: su to go to root to fix it. zsh: command not found: su So by this point I am rather unhappy, and wondering if I'm going to break out a rescue CD. But of course, I had root enabled on this machine, so I finally remembered the virtual terminal (already running login) could save me: Login as root. Enter: sudo chmod a+rx / Save the day. Lessons (pick any two) 1. Keep root enabled 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / Matt Flaschen From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 28 04:17:57 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:17:57 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> Karl Larsen wrote: > I just d/l the Beta version of 9.04 and installed it on my old small > nVidia computer with 8.04 and 8.10 in their partitions. This is in > /dev/sda9 which I made this evening. > > I was quite happy with the loading. I was surprised that my new > partition was not shown as a place to put 9.04. I choose to do a manual > selection and that worked. > > I have the proper nvidia driver d/l and it worked as it should. > > To this point 9.04 Beta is a keeper. > > > Karl > > I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? Thanks, -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From aesquisi at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:20:01 2009 From: aesquisi at gmail.com (Arturo Esquivel S.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:20:01 -0600 Subject: Help with start up and sound card Message-ID: <49CDA571.701@crhometech.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aesquisi at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:22:17 2009 From: aesquisi at gmail.com (Arturo Esquivel S.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:22:17 -0600 Subject: Help with start up and sound card Message-ID: <49CDA5F9.7050801@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:53:01 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:53:01 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Knute Johnson wrote: > I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final > is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? No need to reinstall. Just aptitude update & aptitude upgrade, whenever you feel a need to do it. Jaunty already has had about 200 megs worth of changes to it since the beta was released, but that of course will depend on how many packages you install I usually update every other day, but that can vary depending on how many packages come through and how many of those I choose to install, etc. And I subscribe to jaunty-changes so I get an idea of what's being updated. And then maybe a month or so after the release of jaunty you can do another aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and get all the important upgrades, then ride jaunty for a while getting bug fixes and security updates. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From hs.samix at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 05:39:58 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:39:58 -0400 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: David Fox wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Knute Johnson > wrote: >> I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final >> is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? > > No need to reinstall. Just aptitude update & aptitude upgrade, It should be: $> sudo aptitude update and then $> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade or $> sudo aptitude full-upgrade -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From smoot at tic.com Sat Mar 28 05:50:45 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:50:45 -0700 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting In-Reply-To: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1238219445.7865.2635.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 23:45 -0400, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > For reasons I'm not entirely clear, / was world-writable on a machine > (not the whole computer, just /). So I blithely ran: > > sudo chmod go-rwx / > > (note, no -R, I'm not *that* dumb). > > to correct it (can't be giving out permissions willy nilly!). > > Then, to admire my handiwork I did: > > ls > zsh: command not found: ls Reminds of when I changed the permission on / on an old PDP11/60 and the machine would not boot because of the bad permissions. I managed to turn off all access to "/". There was no "rescue CD" in those days. With the help of a colleague, we actual hand entered a small machine language program at the console switches to correct the permissions on the disk. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Mar 28 06:17:12 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:17:12 -0400 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting In-Reply-To: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49CDC0E8.6080600@gatech.edu> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > 1. Keep root enabled > 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. > 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / Well, definitely don't do number #3 but I meant: 4. Don't run sudo chmod go-rwx / Matt Flaschen From Colin at spudulike.me.uk Sat Mar 28 10:48:17 2009 From: Colin at spudulike.me.uk (Colin Murphy) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:48:17 +0000 Subject: Best i8042 kernel option to choose and how to apply it? Message-ID: <200903281048.18464.Colin@spudulike.me.uk> I have a laptop that has keyboard and trackpad probelms when restored from a sleep or hibernate, full details can be found in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/287624 . After some trial and error some kernel options mitigated the problem :- i8042.noloop, i8042.nomux, and i8042.reset While I am sure an entire Ubuntu team is devoting themselves just to my laptop problem, I don't expect it to be any time soon, so I would like to make use of one of these kernel options, as a temporary cure at least. Is there anything between these options to suggest I should choose one over the others? Should there be any negative consequences from using any of these? How do I make default use of this option? Thanks in advance. -- Colin at Spudulike.me.uk Gotta go, things to be, people to do, and stuff to, err, stuff. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 11:11:49 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:11:49 -0600 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <49CE05F5.6040901@gmail.com> Knute Johnson wrote: > Karl Larsen wrote: > >> I just d/l the Beta version of 9.04 and installed it on my old small >> nVidia computer with 8.04 and 8.10 in their partitions. This is in >> /dev/sda9 which I made this evening. >> >> I was quite happy with the loading. I was surprised that my new >> partition was not shown as a place to put 9.04. I choose to do a manual >> selection and that worked. >> >> I have the proper nvidia driver d/l and it worked as it should. >> >> To this point 9.04 Beta is a keeper. >> >> >> Karl >> >> >> > > I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final > is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? > > Thanks, > > Hi, the Beta version is so close to done, I expect it will take few updates to make it the version everyone will d/l in the months to come. You can install 9.04 Beta and that will be your 9.04 forever. I was able to d/l the LiveCD in less than an hour and a half. I went to Google and found the site. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Mar 28 11:30:46 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:30:46 +0800 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> Hey Steve, >> In a couple of minutes I will add the following line to my file >> /etc/postfix/maps/header_checks: >> >> /^Subject:.*ubuntards.*$/ REJECT >> >> I hope that I don't have to explain this. I know regular expressions, and >> I'm not afraid to use them. >> >> > #begin 2cents > i hear you. i remember nonsense like this on the suse list with aaron > until he got banned. i havent said anything, just reading the nonsense > and shaking head in amazement that people talk to to each other like > that on a mailing list. but maybe should at least ask it be taken to > sounder if you all insist on calling each other names. thats just rude. > > #end 2cents > I think you need to change to subject if you really want Amedee to get your reply. I must be weird to want to read this thread. But I cannot help wondering who else would want participate. Boy, am I glad you guys are not. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:51:26 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:51:26 -0600 Subject: File Systems Message-ID: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on this computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because the loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the ext3 file system and found that and both are using it. But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why I should use ext4 :-) Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 12:39:07 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:07 -0300 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <1823526.pRKY8M2JQB@cedar.serverforest.com> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > So by this point I am rather unhappy, and wondering if I'm going to > break out a rescue CD. But of course, I had root enabled on this > machine, so I finally remembered the virtual terminal (already running > login) could save me: > > Login as root. Enter: > > sudo chmod a+rx / "sudo" would be a bit of overkill here :-) > > Save the day. > > Lessons (pick any two) > > 1. Keep root enabled > 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. > 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / I'm not sure those are the right lessons. Lesson 1: You don't need a rescue CD to rescue yourself in this situation (or a root account). Simply reboot into single user mode. Lesson 2: It probably should be at least mildly difficult to fix such errors, to discourage you from doing it again :) -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Sat Mar 28 13:17:25 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:17:25 +0100 Subject: File Systems In-Reply-To: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903281417.25465.kassube@gmx.net> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on > this computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because > the loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the > ext3 file system and found that and both are using it. You could change an ext2 system to ext3 with a simple command (tune2fs -j), so ext2 would have been no real problem. > But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why > I should use ext4 :-) I could only tell you why you should NOT use ext4. It is still experimental and some people lost some files. Nils From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 13:33:18 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:33:18 -0700 Subject: File Systems References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:51:26 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on this > computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because the > loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the ext3 file > system and found that and both are using it. > > But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why I > should use ext4 :-) > Karl, the simple answer to your question is that if *you* don't know of a reason to use ext4 then you don't need to use it. And I am not trying to be snarky with that comment. A longer answer would mention that different filesystems have somewhat different features and strengths and/or weaknesses and a system admin selects which one to use based on how the system is going to be used and which filesystem best suits those needs. You're not just limited to the ext(x) line either, there are also ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, etcetera. So, only you can determine what will work best for you and your situation. Questions like yours often turn into "religious wars" as people argue back and forth about their personal favourite and, in my opinion, that usually is unproductive for a list. Now, if you want to research a bit and ask a specific question about a particular system, then that might be productive and get you useful answers. It always a wise approach to a question. Here are some links to get you started: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems From pleegwat at telfort.nl Sat Mar 28 13:55:52 2009 From: pleegwat at telfort.nl (PleegWat) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:55:52 +0100 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting In-Reply-To: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49CE2C68.4030206@telfort.nl> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Lessons (pick any two) > > 1. Keep root enabled > 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. > 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / I'll pick lesson 4: Think before you type. PleegWat From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sat Mar 28 13:59:47 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:59:47 +0100 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Chan Chung Hang Christopher schreef: > I think you need to change to subject if you really want Amedee to get > your reply. You are absolutely right. I didn't get his reply. It didn't even enter my mailserver. Yeah I'm a real BOFH ;-) My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my solution has a negative side effect, then I will accept the emails and then silently discard them with procmail. Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? To resume: I am telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this mailing list, based on the subject. Kind regards, From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 13:59:41 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:59:41 -0700 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:45:30 -0400, Matthew Flaschen posted: > For reasons I'm not entirely clear, / was world-writable on a machine (not > the whole computer, just /). So I blithely ran: > > sudo chmod go-rwx / > > (note, no -R, I'm not *that* dumb). > > to correct it (can't be giving out permissions willy nilly!). > > Then, to admire my handiwork I did: > > ls > zsh: command not found: ls > > That's odd... (repeat ls several times in hope results will change). Start > typing /bi hit tab to complete instinctually, zsh auto-complete prints > errors like: (eval):3: permission denied: /dev/null > > Finally realize what is happening (almost) > > Try: > > su > > to go to root to fix it. > > zsh: command not found: su > > So by this point I am rather unhappy, and wondering if I'm going to break > out a rescue CD. But of course, I had root enabled on this machine, so I > finally remembered the virtual terminal (already running login) could save > me: > > Login as root. Enter: > > sudo chmod a+rx / > > Save the day. > > Lessons (pick any two) > > 1. Keep root enabled > 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. 3. Don't run sudo > chmod a-rwx / > Scary! I can't write from experience because I have never tried anything like that. However, I wonder why you didn't try "ugo" instead of just "go", it is my understanding that one either uses "ugo" or 1, and only 1 of the options. I also think that "a" is default if no option is used. Glad you had the presence of mind to be logical and reason how to back out of the situation. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Mar 28 14:03:29 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:03:29 +0800 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com><49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: <49CE2E31.5090002@bradbury.edu.hk> > You are absolutely right. I didn't get his reply. It didn't even enter > my mailserver. Yeah I'm a real BOFH ;-) > > please post clips of your antics :-P > My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it > occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my solution has > a negative side effect, then I will accept the emails and then silently > discard them with procmail. > I believe postfix can also deliver to Dave Null directly without asking procmail for help. > Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? > To resume: I am telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this > mailing list, based on the subject. > How could we ever manage without Dave Null? From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:12:48 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:12:48 -0600 Subject: File Systems In-Reply-To: References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE3060.5010500@gmail.com> Thorny wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:51:26 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > > >> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on this >> computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because the >> loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the ext3 file >> system and found that and both are using it. >> >> But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why I >> should use ext4 :-) >> >> > > Karl, the simple answer to your question is that if *you* don't know of a > reason to use ext4 then you don't need to use it. And I am not trying to > be snarky with that comment. > > A longer answer would mention that different filesystems have somewhat > different features and strengths and/or weaknesses and a system admin > selects which one to use based on how the system is going to be used and > which filesystem best suits those needs. You're not just limited to the > ext(x) line either, there are also ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, etcetera. > > So, only you can determine what will work best for you and your situation. > Questions like yours often turn into "religious wars" as people argue back > and forth about their personal favourite and, in my opinion, that usually > is unproductive for a list. Now, if you want to research a bit and ask a > specific question about a particular system, then that might be productive > and get you useful answers. It always a wise approach to a question. > > Here are some links to get you started: > http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 > http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems > > > > Not at all and thanks for the info links. I was not really interested in trying ext4 but it did cross my mind :-) It appears I was right to stay with ext3 which has been fine. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:15:25 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:15:25 -0700 Subject: Keyboard Lag References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:09:01 -0400, Michael Haney posted: >[...] > > I get keyboard lag. What do I mean, well as I type for a while what I > type appears on screen immediately as it should but from time to time the > cursor stops and then what I've been typing suddenly all appears at once > and then things go back to normal. This happens not just in Firefox but > also in Open Office and even Kate. Its like there is something hanging > the system every few seconds but I've checked CPU usage and I can't find > anything that's causing it. > How are you monitoring CPU usage while the event occurs? Do you have room on your screen for a terminal window running top while you are typing so you could glance and see if anything is hogging cycles? From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:30:04 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:30:04 -0500 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903280730i2c79f01arb66ddd3d3e1aee6a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it > occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my solution has > a negative side effect, then I will accept the emails and then silently > discard them with procmail. > > Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? > To resume: I am telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this > mailing list, based on the subject. I don't consider myself an "expert" but I do manage several Mailman mailing lists. The software has a setting where it will drop a person after a certain number of failed delivery attempts. Here is the algorithm it uses: > Bounce processing > > These policies control the automatic bounce processing system in Mailman. Here's an overview of how it works. > > When a bounce is received, Mailman tries to extract two pieces of information from the message: the address of the member the message was intended for, and the severity of the problem causing the bounce. The severity can be either hard or soft meaning either a fatal error occurred, or a transient error occurred. When in doubt, a hard severity is used. > > If no member address can be extracted from the bounce, then the bounce is usually discarded. Otherwise, each member is assigned a bounce score and every time we encounter a bounce from this member we increment the score. Hard bounces increment by 1 while soft bounces increment by 0.5. We only increment the bounce score once per day, so even if we receive ten hard bounces from a member per day, their score will increase by only 1 for that day. > > When a member's bounce score is greater than the bounce score threshold, the subscription is disabled. Once disabled, the member will not receive any postings from the list until their membership is explicitly re-enabled (either by the list administrator or the user). However, they will receive occasional reminders that their membership has been disabled, and these reminders will include information about how to re-enable their membership. > > You can control both the number of reminders the member will receive and the frequency with which these reminders are sent. > > There is one other important configuration variable; after a certain period of time -- during which no bounces from the member are received -- the bounce information is considered stale and discarded. Thus by adjusting this value, and the score threshold, you can control how quickly bouncing members are disabled. You should tune both of these to the frequency and traffic volume of your list. From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sat Mar 28 14:42:46 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:42:46 +0100 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0903280730i2c79f01arb66ddd3d3e1aee6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> <3c5484cf0903280730i2c79f01arb66ddd3d3e1aee6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE3766.6000905@amedee.be> Tommy Trussell schreef: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) > wrote: >> My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it >> occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my >> solution has a negative side effect, then I will accept the emails >> and then silently discard them with procmail. >> >> Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? To resume: I am >> telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this mailing list, >> based on the subject. > > I don't consider myself an "expert" but I do manage several Mailman > mailing lists. The software has a setting where it will drop a person > after a certain number of failed delivery attempts. Here is the > algorithm it uses: > >> Bounce processing >> >> These policies control the automatic bounce processing system in >> Mailman. Here's an overview of how it works. >> >> When a bounce is received, Mailman tries to extract two pieces of >> information from the message: the address of the member the message >> was intended for, and the severity of the problem causing the >> bounce. The severity can be either hard or soft meaning either a >> fatal error occurred, or a transient error occurred. When in doubt, >> a hard severity is used. >> >> If no member address can be extracted from the bounce, then the >> bounce is usually discarded. Otherwise, each member is assigned a >> bounce score and every time we encounter a bounce from this member >> we increment the score. Hard bounces increment by 1 while soft >> bounces increment by 0.5. We only increment the bounce score once >> per day, so even if we receive ten hard bounces from a member per >> day, their score will increase by only 1 for that day. >> >> When a member's bounce score is greater than the bounce score >> threshold, the subscription is disabled. Once disabled, the member >> will not receive any postings from the list until their membership >> is explicitly re-enabled (either by the list administrator or the >> user). However, they will receive occasional reminders that their >> membership has been disabled, and these reminders will include >> information about how to re-enable their membership. >> >> You can control both the number of reminders the member will >> receive and the frequency with which these reminders are sent. >> >> There is one other important configuration variable; after a >> certain period of time -- during which no bounces from the member >> are received -- the bounce information is considered stale and >> discarded. Thus by adjusting this value, and the score threshold, >> you can control how quickly bouncing members are disabled. You >> should tune both of these to the frequency and traffic volume of >> your list. > Hmmm ok so I might get unsubscribed if I bounce too much. Denial of Service :-/ Ok then I'll consider delivering to Dave Null, but only for mail coming from this list. Thank you for explaing, Tommy. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:46:05 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:46:05 -0400 Subject: File Systems In-Reply-To: References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Thorny wrote: > A longer answer would mention Thanks for the great answer Thorny I took the liberty of lifting it for the Mailing List FAQ under the subheading File System Links. Hope you don't mind. Feel free to touch it up as you feel appropriate. Brian PS - this is a great way to build a good FAQ I think. If you see a great answer to a commonly asked question - lift it and put it in there. From larryesu at charter.net Sat Mar 28 14:57:53 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:57:53 -0500 Subject: How to change the Screen resolution on ubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: <49CE3AF1.6010401@charter.net> *I have downloaded the iso for ubuntu 9.04, which went very well... My problem is that in the System>preferences> there is no screen resolution being shown as it does in intrepid... So does anyone know where it is or how to change the default, to 1024x768...??? Any help on this would be appreciated... Thanks Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:59:11 2009 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:59:11 -0500 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: <49CE3766.6000905@amedee.be> References: <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> <3c5484cf0903280730i2c79f01arb66ddd3d3e1aee6a@mail.gmail.com> <49CE3766.6000905@amedee.be> Message-ID: <3c5484cf0903280759m63e43602r1d4433ca7c8e64cb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > Hmmm ok so I might get unsubscribed if I bounce too much. Denial of > Service :-/ > Ok then I'll consider delivering to Dave Null, but only for mail coming > from this list. you COULD just send messages from Dave Null to /dev/null without bouncing them at all... From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:04:15 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:04:15 -0700 Subject: File Systems References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> <49CE3060.5010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:12:48 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: > Thorny wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:51:26 -0600, Karl F. Larsen posted: >> >> >>> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on >>> this >>> computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because the >>> loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the ext3 >>> file system and found that and both are using it. >>> >>> But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why >>> I >>> should use ext4 :-) >>> >>> >>> >> Karl, the simple answer to your question is that if *you* don't know of >> a reason to use ext4 then you don't need to use it. And I am not trying >> to be snarky with that comment. >> >> A longer answer would mention that different filesystems have somewhat >> different features and strengths and/or weaknesses and a system admin >> selects which one to use based on how the system is going to be used >> and which filesystem best suits those needs. You're not just limited to >> the ext(x) line either, there are also ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, etcetera. >> >> So, only you can determine what will work best for you and your >> situation. Questions like yours often turn into "religious wars" as >> people argue back and forth about their personal favourite and, in my >> opinion, that usually is unproductive for a list. Now, if you want to >> research a bit and ask a specific question about a particular system, >> then that might be productive and get you useful answers. It always a >> wise approach to a question. >> >> Here are some links to get you started: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 >> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems >> >> >> >> > Not at all and thanks for the info links. I was not really > interested in trying ext4 but it did cross my mind :-) > > It appears I was right to stay with ext3 which has been fine. > > I have used a mixture of ext2, ext3 and reiser on this system that I am typing from. All have performed well and all have been able to recover from the power outages that happen (I'm on rural power). This system does not have battery backup, partly to test that. On the other hand, I've never been doing disk intensive work when the power failed and I mount my usb devices sync. I think you have made a wise choice to stick with a recommended filesystem, when one asks for help regarding an issue, people generally assume that is what you have and suggest commands that are appropriate for that. Rarely does a normal desktop installation require advanced features unless one is doing a lot of benchmarking just to get the absolute most out of ones system (similar to automobile tuning by "gearheads"). Although, sometimes if one has a large amount of small files or a lot of really huge files I suppose certain choices could maximize throughput. Some people even recommend ext2 because they don't like the performance overhead of the journal but, as I mentioned, with modern, fast big RAM machines, it's all transparent to the average user. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:06:51 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:06:51 -0700 Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> <1823526.pRKY8M2JQB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:07 -0300, Derek Broughton posted: >[...] > Lesson 2: It probably should be at least mildly difficult to fix such > errors, to discourage you from doing it again :) +1 to that, although probably many will disagree with us. ;-) From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:15:30 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:15:30 -0700 Subject: thread marked Dave Null References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:59:47 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher schreef: > >> I think you need to change to subject if you really want Amedee to get >> your reply. > > > You are absolutely right. I didn't get his reply. It didn't even enter my > mailserver. Yeah I'm a real BOFH ;-) > > > My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it > occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my solution has a > negative side effect, then I will accept the emails and then silently > discard them with procmail. > > Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? To resume: I am > telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this mailing list, based > on the subject. > > Kind regards, This is not an answer to your specific question but I see that you are using Thunderbird as your mail reader. What most people do is setup message filters to handle the issue. Of course, you do have the other option that you have mentioned, can choose to make it as complicated or easy as you want. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:20:33 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:20:33 -0700 Subject: File Systems References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:46:05 -0400, Brian McKee posted: >[...] > > I took the liberty of lifting it for the href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs">Mailing List > FAQ under the subheading href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs/fileSystemLinks">File > System Links. > > Hope you don't mind. Feel free to touch it up as you feel appropriate. > >[...] Anything I write here is for anyone to use, GPL, in the spirit of open source and community. Even the mistakes and/or inaccuracies. :-) From pegngary at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:21:02 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:21:02 -0600 Subject: upgrade to Intrepid Message-ID: I had a Hardy install CD so I installed using that version. However I can not connect to the internet wirelessly using the Broadcom and there is no hardwire connection available to me. So I though I'd download Intrepid (hopefully with better support for the Broadcom 4312 I have) and install using that CD. When I do so, will I be able to install right on top of the Hardy version, or will I have to create another partition? Thanks gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But now I'm using Squirrelmail, and when I'm logged in on my server with ssh, I might use Mutt. Or whatever MUA I feel like using that particular day. That's why I try to do as much as possible with Postfix and Procmail, to avoid duplicate configurations. But thanks anyway for the suggestion. -- Amedee From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:39:29 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:39:29 -0700 Subject: thread marked Dave Null References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:22:56 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > On Sat, March 28, 2009 16:15, Thorny wrote: > >> This is not an answer to your specific question but I see that you are >> using Thunderbird as your mail reader. What most people do is setup >> message filters to handle the issue. Of course, you do have the other >> option that you have mentioned, can choose to make it as complicated or >> easy as you want. > > You are right that I was using Thunderbird when I wrote that email. But > now I'm using Squirrelmail, and when I'm logged in on my server with ssh, > I might use Mutt. Or whatever MUA I feel like using that particular day. > > That's why I try to do as much as possible with Postfix and Procmail, to > avoid duplicate configurations. > > But thanks anyway for the suggestion. It wasn't just for you. This list is read by quite a few inexperienced users, who lurk for information but, for whatever reasons, do not post questions. Many use TBird and would like to have a method to deal with the issue being discussed but would not understand the advanced topic you mentioned. I never doubted your ability, often I just add noise to a thread with the chance that someone may benefit from it. No offence intended. From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sat Mar 28 15:45:55 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:45:55 +0100 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: <49CE4633.7060104@amedee.be> Thorny schreef: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:22:56 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > >> On Sat, March 28, 2009 16:15, Thorny wrote: >> >>> This is not an answer to your specific question but I see that you are >>> using Thunderbird as your mail reader. What most people do is setup >>> message filters to handle the issue. Of course, you do have the other >>> option that you have mentioned, can choose to make it as complicated or >>> easy as you want. >> You are right that I was using Thunderbird when I wrote that email. But >> now I'm using Squirrelmail, and when I'm logged in on my server with ssh, >> I might use Mutt. Or whatever MUA I feel like using that particular day. >> >> That's why I try to do as much as possible with Postfix and Procmail, to >> avoid duplicate configurations. >> >> But thanks anyway for the suggestion. > > It wasn't just for you. > > This list is read by quite a few inexperienced users, who lurk for > information but, for whatever reasons, do not post questions. Many use > TBird and would like to have a method to deal with the issue being > discussed but would not understand the advanced topic you mentioned. I > never doubted your ability, often I just add noise to a thread with the > chance that someone may benefit from it. No offence intended. > > > And again, you are absolutely right. From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:30:45 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:30:45 -0700 Subject: upgrade to Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/28 Gary Kirkpatrick : > I had a Hardy install CD so I installed using that version.  However I can > not connect to the internet wirelessly using the Broadcom and there is no You might be able to upgrade using the cdrom - but it seems it has to be the alternate CD rather than the Desktop one. I did an update-manager on my laptop after inserting the Desktop CD for 9.04 (it was running 8.10) and it didn't even touch the CD. Instructions are here, under the Subhead Installing from the Alternate CD or DVD. http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > gary -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From bpbroas at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:36:50 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:50 +0000 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot Message-ID: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. Sorry about my english and great thanks in advanced. I'm building a data server it as : - amd Phenom 2 2.3 GHZ - 2X 2GB ddr2 800 Kingston - 4 sata2 500GB seagate - two sets of raid 1 - mobo msi k9a2gm v3 - 40 GB ide for system It works fine if drives are set to ide on mobo bios or with only ide connected. If i set raid on mobo the systems hangs after grub displaying only a blinking cursor... But if i run the install cd and choose "boot from first disk drive" it boots normally. I've being for hours trying to work this out and nothing, already tried gsd and other and still nothing, what to do? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 28 16:47:16 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:47:16 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> H.S. wrote: > David Fox wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Knute Johnson >> wrote: >>> I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final >>> is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? >> No need to reinstall. Just aptitude update & aptitude upgrade, > > It should be: > $> sudo aptitude update > > and then > $> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > or > $> sudo aptitude full-upgrade > Thanks David and H.S. Can I just download upgrade now from the 8.10 I have to 9.04 beta or do I need to wait to do an upgrade until 9.04 is released? I've used apt-get upgrade/update but not aptitude, what's the difference on that? Thanks very much, -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 28 16:47:54 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:47:54 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <49CE05F5.6040901@gmail.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <49CE05F5.6040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE54BA.3070404@knutejohnson.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Knute Johnson wrote: >> Karl Larsen wrote: >> >>> I just d/l the Beta version of 9.04 and installed it on my old small >>> nVidia computer with 8.04 and 8.10 in their partitions. This is in >>> /dev/sda9 which I made this evening. >>> >>> I was quite happy with the loading. I was surprised that my new >>> partition was not shown as a place to put 9.04. I choose to do a manual >>> selection and that worked. >>> >>> I have the proper nvidia driver d/l and it worked as it should. >>> >>> To this point 9.04 Beta is a keeper. >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >>> >> I'm not that familiar with U, if I install the 9.04 beta, when the final >> is released can I just do an upgrade or something or do I have to reinstall? >> >> Thanks, >> >> > Hi, the Beta version is so close to done, I expect it will take few > updates to make it the version everyone will d/l in the months to come. > You can install 9.04 Beta and that will be your 9.04 forever. I was able > to d/l the LiveCD in less than an hour and a half. I went to Google and > found the site. > > Karl > > Thanks! -- Knute Johnson "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H.L. Mencken From pegngary at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:48:35 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:48:35 -0600 Subject: upgrade to Intrepid In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM, David Fox wrote: > 2009/3/28 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > I had a Hardy install CD so I installed using that version. However I > can > > not connect to the internet wirelessly using the Broadcom and there is no > > You might be able to upgrade using the cdrom - but it seems it has to > be the alternate CD rather than the Desktop one. I did an > update-manager on my laptop after inserting the Desktop CD for 9.04 > (it was running 8.10) and it didn't even touch the CD. > > Instructions are here, under the Subhead Installing from the Alternate > CD or DVD. > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > > > gary > > > -- > thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Thanks for helping this semi-newbie. If I had read just a bit more I might have thought to ask myself what an alternate cd was. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pegngary at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:50:10 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0600 Subject: changing grub Message-ID: My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? Thanks Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:56:02 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:56:02 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903280956m1497ed45pa85fbed87913bd00@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Knute Johnson wrote: > > Thanks David and H.S.  Can I just download upgrade now from the 8.10 I > have to 9.04 beta or do I need to wait to do an upgrade until 9.04 is > released? If you have a fast connection, then you could upgrade to 9.04 beta now by running 'update-manager -d' as root. Then do the aptitude upgrade bit periodically until 9.04 is finalized. > > I've used apt-get upgrade/update but not aptitude, what's the difference > on that? Aptitude is the "next generation" upgrade tool. It is similar enough to apt-get to be easily switchable. Debian has been using aptitude now since at least when Etch was still the Testing branch, and has recommended people use aptitude instead of apt-get. This being the case, I wonder why so much Ubuntu documentation and references tell people to use apt-get. Hell, I was using aptitude in place of apt-get back in the days of Edgy Eft - I was babysitting a friend's box, but my main box back then ran Debian Testing (probably Etch). HS has a valid point that I had not considered -the use of the "full-upgrade" instead of just "upgrade". Most of the time "upgrade" is sufficient, as it's what I'm used to doing for so long now. But I ran "full-upgrade" earlier today and it had the effect of taking care of some packages that were "kept back" in the aptitude dialog, and cleaning out one or two others that weren't installable. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sat Mar 28 17:01:27 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:01:27 +0100 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0600 Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up > (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? Yep, just edit this file: /boot/grub/menu.lst for example: $sudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst At the top of the file, there is an option that lets you specify which OS loads by default. The file is clearly commented, you will find easily. Also, you can rearrange/reorder the menu entrie (defined further down the file) to actually change in which order they are displayed on the screen. -- Vince From knute2009 at knutejohnson.com Sat Mar 28 17:04:33 2009 From: knute2009 at knutejohnson.com (Knute Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:04:33 -0700 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49CE58A1.6020808@knutejohnson.com> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0600 > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > >> My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up >> (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? > > Yep, just edit this file: > > /boot/grub/menu.lst > > for example: > > $sudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst > > At the top of the file, there is an option that lets you specify which > OS loads by default. > The file is clearly commented, you will find easily. > > Also, you can rearrange/reorder the menu entrie (defined further down > the file) to actually change in which order they are displayed on the > screen. > > -- > Vince > The option is the; default 0 change it to the number of your windows entry. If you update and add a kernel, you will have to do this again. knute... From pegngary at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:17:07 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:17:07 -0600 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Vincent Trouilliez < vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0600 > Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up > > (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? > > Yep, just edit this file: > > /boot/grub/menu.lst > > for example: > > $sudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst > > At the top of the file, there is an option that lets you specify which > OS loads by default. > The file is clearly commented, you will find easily. > > Also, you can rearrange/reorder the menu entrie (defined further down > the file) to actually change in which order they are displayed on the > screen. > > -- > Vince VInce, I tried sudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst (copied it to terminal) but it says 'command not found.' Any other command it could be? Thanks for replying! gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:23:27 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:23:27 +0700 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903281023q935eeadr6169f4db97345fba@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/29 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > > > VInce, I tried sudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst (copied it to terminal) but it > says 'command not found.'  Any other command it could be? You need a space between gedit and the rest sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst Bob Parker From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Sat Mar 28 17:29:01 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:29:01 +0100 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903281023q935eeadr6169f4db97345fba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <8f6eb7340903281023q935eeadr6169f4db97345fba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090328182901.507291bb.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > You need a space between gedit and the rest > sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst Oops yeah, sorry for the typo... -- Vince From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:36:58 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:36:58 -0700 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:50 +0000, Bruno Pinto posted: > Hi all. > > Sorry about my english and great thanks in advanced. > > I'm building a data server it as : > > - amd Phenom 2 2.3 GHZ > - 2X 2GB ddr2 800 Kingston > - 4 sata2 500GB seagate > - two sets of raid 1 > - mobo msi k9a2gm v3 > - 40 GB ide for system > > It works fine if drives are set to ide on mobo bios or with only ide > connected. > > If i set raid on mobo the systems hangs after grub displaying only a > blinking cursor... > > But if i run the install cd and choose "boot from first disk drive" it > boots normally. > > I've being for hours trying to work this out and nothing, already tried > gsd and other and still nothing, what to do? > > Please post in text only to the list. There is a chance that your issue is caused by your device nodes being enumerated differently when you boot with a mix of SATA and IDE. Sometimes that can be corrected by using a LABEL or UUID designation in the GRUB menu.lst file for the boot drive. Have a look at your GRUB device.map file to see if that information gives any hint. Maybe look at fdisk -l and blkid too after booting the system. Sorry, I can't give you a definitive answer, just a few more questions to consider. From what you describe it looks to me like your system doesn't find GRUB at boot when you have that mix of SATA and IDE. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:04:12 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:04:12 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903280956m1497ed45pa85fbed87913bd00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >[...] > HS has a valid point that I had not considered -the use of the > "full-upgrade" instead of just "upgrade". Most of the time "upgrade" is > sufficient, as it's what I'm used to doing for so long now. But I ran > "full-upgrade" earlier today and it had the effect of taking care of > some packages that were "kept back" in the aptitude dialog, and cleaning > out one or two others that weren't installable. > > The "upgrade" is basically an alias for safe-upgrade, it is old terminology and someday will disappear as an option, probably won't disappear very soon though. upgrade (safe-upgrade) will upgrade installed packages only. When a later version of a package depends on not installed packages or conflicts with an already installed package, the upgrade for that package won't happen. dist-upgrade will try to resolve package conflicts automagically in a smart way. Including installing additional required packages and preferring packages with higher priority, thus it can install packages that safe-upgrade can't. The recommended method in the past was, first do an upgrade, then do a dist-upgrade, these days, aptitude seems to be very good and forgiving. YMMV. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 18:05:21 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:05:21 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903280956m1497ed45pa85fbed87913bd00@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903280956m1497ed45pa85fbed87913bd00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/28/2009 09:56 AM, David Fox wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Knute Johnson > wrote: >> >> Thanks David and H.S. Can I just download upgrade now from the 8.10 I >> have to 9.04 beta or do I need to wait to do an upgrade until 9.04 is >> released? > > If you have a fast connection, then you could upgrade to 9.04 beta now > by running 'update-manager -d' as root. Then do the aptitude upgrade > bit periodically until 9.04 is finalized. > > >> >> I've used apt-get upgrade/update but not aptitude, what's the difference >> on that? These might help: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(program) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware (dated) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryPackageManagement https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/installing-upgrading.html For upgrading from 8.10, see: Also see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview > > Aptitude is the "next generation" upgrade tool. It is similar enough > to apt-get to be easily switchable. Debian has been using aptitude now > since at least when Etch was still the Testing branch, and has > recommended people use aptitude instead of apt-get. This being the > case, I wonder why so much Ubuntu documentation and references tell > people to use apt-get. Hell, I was using aptitude in place of apt-get > back in the days of Edgy Eft - I was babysitting a friend's box, but > my main box back then ran Debian Testing (probably Etch). Well, apt-get does have some serious issues:-) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 Previously apt-get wasn't removing dependencies: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude However, I think that's now been fixed. > > HS has a valid point that I had not considered -the use of the > "full-upgrade" instead of just "upgrade". Most of the time "upgrade" > is sufficient, as it's what I'm used to doing for so long now. But I > ran "full-upgrade" earlier today and it had the effect of taking care > of some packages that were "kept back" in the aptitude dialog, and > cleaning out one or two others that weren't installable. > > > > From bpbroas at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:07:46 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:07:46 +0000 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot In-Reply-To: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cacf9340903281107n6dd9994etcb939c8453d3a036@mail.gmail.com> UPDATE the os is ubuntu server 8.10... I've tried setting up grub from knopix but on setup command it reboots the pc... Also I've entered safe mode, using the cd option "boot from first disk" because it's the only way it boots, and started grub, did the root and setup followed by a reboot to watch progress and nothing... on the process i found something strange the boot drive was hd4,1 insted of hd0,1 that i get from grub before inserting cd... how to go arround this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bruno Pinto Date: Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Hi all. Sorry about my english and great thanks in advanced. I'm building a data server it as : - amd Phenom 2 2.3 GHZ - 2X 2GB ddr2 800 Kingston - 4 sata2 500GB seagate - two sets of raid 1 - mobo msi k9a2gm v3 - 40 GB ide for system It works fine if drives are set to ide on mobo bios or with only ide connected. If i set raid on mobo the systems hangs after grub displaying only a blinking cursor... But if i run the install cd and choose "boot from first disk drive" it boots normally. I've being for hours trying to work this out and nothing, already tried gsd and other and still nothing, what to do? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 13:41:59 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0300 Subject: File Systems References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3274543.asY74kY5V8@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on this > computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because the > loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the ext3 file > system and found that and both are using it. Really, there's no problem there. If it's really ext2, it's trivial to add a journal and turn it into ext3. I wouldn't be surprised though if they really mean ext2 with journalling: ext3 is not a separate filesystem, it's just ext2 with journalling. "tune2fs -j ..." Note, you'll want to use tune2fs with the -C option, anyway, to reduce the frequency of fsck's, which are much less necessary with ext3 than in ext2, though the defaults are set the same. > > But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why I > should use ext4 :-) No. (Well, somebody does, but I'm happy with JFS). -- derek From bpbroas at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:30:29 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:30:29 +0000 Subject: fw: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot Message-ID: <7cacf9340903281130g6b86c3dfmac23301fe1ad4089@mail.gmail.com> Your right thorny, that is just the case, i've already sent a new mail before this one with some extras... I do not have a device.map i've forgotten to say, plus i've made my own and at beast it just makes the pc reboot after grub... Gonna stop working for the day but will be arround to discuss this and more, just need a rest... Thanks Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:36:58 -0700 From: Thorny Subject: Re: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:50 +0000, Bruno Pinto posted: > Hi all. > > Sorry about my english and great thanks in advanced. > > I'm building a data server it as : > > - amd Phenom 2 2.3 GHZ > - 2X 2GB ddr2 800 Kingston > - 4 sata2 500GB seagate > - two sets of raid 1 > - mobo msi k9a2gm v3 > - 40 GB ide for system > > It works fine if drives are set to ide on mobo bios or with only ide > connected. > > If i set raid on mobo the systems hangs after grub displaying only a > blinking cursor... > > But if i run the install cd and choose "boot from first disk drive" it > boots normally. > > I've being for hours trying to work this out and nothing, already tried > gsd and other and still nothing, what to do? > > Please post in text only to the list. There is a chance that your issue is caused by your device nodes being enumerated differently when you boot with a mix of SATA and IDE. Sometimes that can be corrected by using a LABEL or UUID designation in the GRUB menu.lst file for the boot drive. Have a look at your GRUB device.map file to see if that information gives any hint. Maybe look at fdisk -l and blkid too after booting the system. Sorry, I can't give you a definitive answer, just a few more questions to consider. From what you describe it looks to me like your system doesn't find GRUB at boot when you have that mix of SATA and IDE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 28 18:37:32 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:37:32 -0600 Subject: upgrade to Intrepid In-Reply-To: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090328123732.5b5a8855@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:30:45 -0700 David Fox wrote: > 2009/3/28 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > I had a Hardy install CD so I installed using that version. > > However I can not connect to the internet wirelessly using the > > Broadcom and there is no > > You might be able to upgrade using the cdrom - but it seems it has to > be the alternate CD rather than the Desktop one. I did an > update-manager on my laptop after inserting the Desktop CD for 9.04 > (it was running 8.10) and it didn't even touch the CD. > > Instructions are here, under the Subhead Installing from the Alternate > CD or DVD. > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > > > gary > > Yes, you can install in the same partition, which will effectively replace Hardy Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From holtzm at cox.net Sat Mar 28 18:41:28 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:41:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting In-Reply-To: <49CDC0E8.6080600@gatech.edu> References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> <49CDC0E8.6080600@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> 1. Keep root enabled >> 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. >> 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / > > Well, definitely don't do number #3 but I meant: > > 4. Don't run sudo chmod go-rwx / I'm confused (my natural state). I see no reference to the a, g, or o options in the man or info pages. Have I been struck blind? -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:42:47 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:42:47 -0700 Subject: 9.04 Beta loading References: <49CD822D.5040500@gmail.com> <49CDA4F5.40405@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903272153t46ea83f3qb496cb526a043376@mail.gmail.com> <49CE5494.2000601@knutejohnson.com> <359a3c580903280956m1497ed45pa85fbed87913bd00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:04:12 -0700, Thorny posted: > >>[...] >> HS has a valid point that I had not considered -the use of the >> "full-upgrade" instead of just "upgrade". Most of the time "upgrade" is >> sufficient, as it's what I'm used to doing for so long now. But I ran >> "full-upgrade" earlier today and it had the effect of taking care of >> some packages that were "kept back" in the aptitude dialog, and cleaning >> out one or two others that weren't installable. >> >> > The "upgrade" is basically an alias for safe-upgrade, it is old > terminology and someday will disappear as an option, probably won't > disappear very soon though. > > upgrade (safe-upgrade) will upgrade installed packages only. When a later > version of a package depends on not installed packages or conflicts with > an already installed package, the upgrade for that package won't happen. > > dist-upgrade will try to resolve package conflicts automagically in a > smart way. Including installing additional required packages and > preferring packages with higher priority, thus it can install packages > that safe-upgrade can't. > > The recommended method in the past was, first do an upgrade, then do a > dist-upgrade, these days, aptitude seems to be very good and forgiving. > YMMV. Oops, silly me, I've used the old terminology dist-upgrade in my reply instead of mentioning it as full-upgrade. My mind still thinks in the old terms and doesn't work as well or as quickly these days. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Should have written dist-upgrade (full-upgrade) From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 18:48:14 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:48:14 -0700 Subject: changing grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/28/2009 09:50 AM, Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up > (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? > > Thanks > > Gary > > You might want to try startup manager & select which you want to come up as default: $ sudo apt-get install startupmanager http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/startupmanager https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/startupmanager/+bugs From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:57:33 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:57:33 -0700 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:30:29 +0000, Bruno Pinto posted: > Your right thorny, that is just the case, i've already sent a new mail > before this one with some extras... > > I do not have a device.map i've forgotten to say, plus i've made my own > and at beast it just makes the pc reboot after grub... > > Gonna stop working for the day but will be arround to discuss this and > more, just need a rest... > Well, we should have kept this in the thread so I copied it back there. I ask again, please post in text only to the list. I'm not sure if editing the device.map yourself would make any difference but I doubt it, I don't believe it's read at boot time. I do know that grub has a command to generate one though, if you get to a GRUB shell, not sure if that would change anything. My other suggestion about device designation in the menu.lst would probably be worth a try. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 19:03:22 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:03:22 -0700 Subject: fw: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903281130g6b86c3dfmac23301fe1ad4089@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Please follow up to original thread and please don't top post. From holtzm at cox.net Sat Mar 28 19:07:33 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:07:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OT] How to fix a stupid chmod mistake without rebooting In-Reply-To: References: <49CD9D5A.8090604@gatech.edu> <49CDC0E8.6080600@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> Matthew Flaschen wrote: >>> 1. Keep root enabled >>> 2. sudo will not stop you from making stupid decisions. >>> 3. Don't run sudo chmod a-rwx / >> >> Well, definitely don't do number #3 but I meant: >> >> 4. Don't run sudo chmod go-rwx / > > I'm confused (my natural state). I see no reference to the a, g, or o options > in the man or info pages. Have I been struck blind? Sorry for the confusion - I just realized what a, g, and o are. It's early and I haven't had my coffee. -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 19:11:16 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:11:16 -0700 Subject: changing grub References: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:48:14 -0700, NoOp posted: [...] > You might want to try startup manager & select which you want to come up > as default: > Not a bad idea as startup manager will help someone who can't configure menu.lst for themself, it configures it for you. Personally, I never suggest someone install extra software when the current case is such an easy fix with what is already available but it's good you thought to advise of an extra choice. Open source is about choice. From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 19:28:11 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:28:11 -0500 Subject: Shut down times Message-ID: <1238268491.1469.2.camel@spare> Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sat Mar 28 19:45:26 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:45:26 +0100 Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: <1238268491.1469.2.camel@spare> References: <1238268491.1469.2.camel@spare> Message-ID: <49CE7E56.1080503@amedee.be> Bill Taylor schreef: > Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. Hello Bill, I hardly ever shut down my computer. I use sleep or suspend, and that takes only a few seconds. For those rare times that I do shut down my 'puter (perhaps once a month or so) I really don't mind that it takes up to 30 seconds. May I ask a counterquestion? Why do you want your computer to shut down so fast? -- Amedee From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 20:19:03 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:19:03 -0700 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903280936l1a060bbfgdd51fb0cffc3674@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > My other suggestion about device designation in the menu.lst would > probably be worth a try. After considering this further while having lunch, I doubt this, by itself, would help as it won't get to menu.lst if it can't find the GRUB MBR. Maybe you'll have to write the GRUB MBR to whichever drive is enumerated as hd0 in order for it to work, as long as you get consistency in which drive is hd0, and then use the LABEL or UUID designation of the IDE drive for the boot partition in menu.lst. You mentioned language, If you have trouble translating and find my suggestion unclear, I can try to explain it better or someone here may speak your first language and be willing to help. From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 20:38:38 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes Message-ID: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> If I have clamav running an automated scan each night, and it finds a virus in my IMAP inbox, what good does that do me? I have 156 messages in my Inbox currently, and no way to know which one has the virus (although it's pretty likely it was one of the messages I've received in the last 24 hours). It seems like it would be useful for clamav to have some sort of integration/knowledge with the mail system, so it can provide better information about which email message has a virus. Is there any practical way to do this? Has this ever been considered? From brian.honaker at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 14:57:02 2009 From: brian.honaker at gmail.com (Brian Honaker) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:02 -0400 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. Message-ID: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> Folks, Not sure where to send this, but I think the release after Karmic should be Lucent Lama. Thanks! Brian From amedee at amedee.be Sat Mar 28 15:45:16 2009 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:45:16 +0100 Subject: thread marked Dave Null In-Reply-To: References: <49C8D709.6040709@chrononomicon.com> <49C98A8A.50504@chrononomicon.com> <1855366105-1237975614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124742757-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> <35cb766023a39131d4d68da1fcf92d29.squirrel@amedee.be> <49CCC78C.6080503@roadrunner.com> <49CE0A66.2080301@bradbury.edu.hk> <49CE2D53.4040408@amedee.be> Message-ID: <49CE460C.1060007@amedee.be> Thorny schreef: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:22:56 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > >> On Sat, March 28, 2009 16:15, Thorny wrote: >> >>> This is not an answer to your specific question but I see that you are >>> using Thunderbird as your mail reader. What most people do is setup >>> message filters to handle the issue. Of course, you do have the other >>> option that you have mentioned, can choose to make it as complicated or >>> easy as you want. >> You are right that I was using Thunderbird when I wrote that email. But >> now I'm using Squirrelmail, and when I'm logged in on my server with ssh, >> I might use Mutt. Or whatever MUA I feel like using that particular day. >> >> That's why I try to do as much as possible with Postfix and Procmail, to >> avoid duplicate configurations. >> >> But thanks anyway for the suggestion. > > It wasn't just for you. > > This list is read by quite a few inexperienced users, who lurk for > information but, for whatever reasons, do not post questions. Many use > TBird and would like to have a method to deal with the issue being > discussed but would not understand the advanced topic you mentioned. I > never doubted your ability, often I just add noise to a thread with the > chance that someone may benefit from it. No offence intended. > > > And again, you are absolutely right. -- Amedee From michael.mykolyshyn at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 23:16:02 2009 From: michael.mykolyshyn at gmail.com (Michael Mykolyshyn) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:16:02 -0400 Subject: problem with Add/Remove Applications program Message-ID: <8898d1df0903261616v6d3dcec3m49ebe7ca812ac363@mail.gmail.com> For some reason ZSNES, does not seem to want to load. When I clock the box beside it, nothing happens; no lading signal, no change at all. Every other program works fine (as it my knowledge). Thank you for all your work, I am a new Ubuntu user, and I am loving every minute of it! Michael Mykolyshyn From james.westby at ubuntu.com Fri Mar 27 13:10:59 2009 From: james.westby at ubuntu.com (James Westby) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:10:59 +0000 Subject: Jaunty python upgrade prevents pygtk apps from working Message-ID: <1238159460.4712.25.camel@flash> This morning python2.6 version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 made it in to Jaunty after being held for a few days for the freeze. Unfortunately this package contained an ABI break that meant some python extensions no longer worked, most notably pygtk. In other words if you installed this version you would see some apps fail to start with a message "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8". Most importantly update-manager was affected, making it harder to upgrade to a fixed version. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467/ Access to the bad packages was blocked, which is why you might have seen 403 errors if you attempted to upgrade this morning, and fixed packages have been uploaded as version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1. To find out if you have the bad version of the package installed you can run dpkg -l python2.6 | cat If the version is not 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 then you are unaffected, you should just be sure that you don't install that version if it is still accessible on your mirror. If you do have the bad version installed then you can upgrade using apt-get. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade The fixed packages have only just been made available on the primary mirror, so you may need to wait a few hours before they can become available. Thanks, James From brian.honaker at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 14:53:28 2009 From: brian.honaker at gmail.com (Brian Honaker) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:53:28 -0400 Subject: Next Ubuntu name. Message-ID: <49CCE868.4060803@gmail.com> Folks, Wasn't sure where to send this exactly. For the release after Jaunty, I kind of like Kitschy Kangaroo. Just a thought. Other ideas? Thanks! Brian From nitrofurano at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 20:51:51 2009 From: nitrofurano at gmail.com (Paulo Silva) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:51:51 +0000 Subject: lxde and nm-applet situation is worse: Jaunty python upgrade prevents pygtk apps from working Message-ID: <9b711ec60903271351t631f2489gc3a7ed21eb90c474@mail.gmail.com> Well, i'm not yet using Jaunty (still on Interpid) - and i got an annoying situation having both LXDE and Gnome installed - a dependence named lxnm, not only it's not working, as well it removes by conflict nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), and if we insist reinstalling LXDE, we take the risk on being completelly offline (if we only have wireless access), like happened to me. I think it were a MOTU 'disaster' on marking lxnm package as conflicting with network-manager-gnome I commented it at the LXDE mailing list, and they didn't like it at all as well I hope this situation can be fixed soon - and helping people who want to use LXDE working with nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), or having the freedom of choice - even from a larger wireless managers diversity (which may help us to know which ones are the very better) -- Another thing: i were having difficulties on booting the Jaunty live-cd on a Macbook 2,0 - got completelly blank after usplash boot - please try asap also... thanks! Paulo ------------------------------------- On 3/27/09, James Westby wrote: > This morning python2.6 version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 made it in to Jaunty after > being held for a few days for the freeze. Unfortunately this package > contained an ABI break that meant some python extensions no longer > worked, most notably pygtk. In other words if you installed this version > you would see some apps fail to start with a message "undefined symbol: > PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8". Most importantly update-manager was affected, > making it harder to upgrade to a fixed version. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467/ > > Access to the bad packages was blocked, which is why you might have > seen 403 errors if you attempted to upgrade this morning, and fixed > packages have been uploaded as version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1. > > To find out if you have the bad version of the package installed you > can run > > dpkg -l python2.6 | cat > > If the version is not 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 then you are unaffected, you should > just be sure that you don't install that version if it is still > accessible on your mirror. > > If you do have the bad version installed then you can upgrade using > apt-get. > > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get upgrade > > The fixed packages have only just been made available on the primary > mirror, so you may need to wait a few hours before they can become > available. > > Thanks, > > James > > > -- > ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list > ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce > From aesquisi at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 01:45:06 2009 From: aesquisi at gmail.com (Arturo Esquivel S.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:45:06 -0600 Subject: Help with start up and sound card Message-ID: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and I am having 2 problems: 1) At start up, Ubuntu gets to a screen after which it won't boot and I don't know what to do, so I have to restart the computer. There's an attachment of the screen I get. 2) I can get my sound card to work. I have an Hp Pavilion tx2000 Notebook PC and I made a 20 Gb partition for Ubuntu. Appreciate any help, Arturo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeah I'm a real BOFH ;-) My only question is, how will the mailing list software react if it occasionally gets rejects on the mail it sends to me? If my solution has a negative side effect, then I will accept the emails and then silently discard them with procmail. Is there a mailing list expert who can answer this? To resume: I am telling my Postfix to reject certain mails from this mailing list, based on the subject. Kind regards, -- Amedee From dfox94085 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 20:45:46 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:45:46 -0700 Subject: Next Ubuntu name. In-Reply-To: <49CCE868.4060803@gmail.com> References: <49CCE868.4060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <359a3c580903281345y18d2eba0rdf6c592994950b7c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Brian Honaker wrote: > Folks, > Wasn't sure where to send this exactly. For the release after Jaunty, I > kind of like Kitschy Kangaroo. Just a thought. Other ideas? Kaptain Kangaroo? :) Actually it's Karmic Koala AFAIK > > Thanks! > Brian -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Mar 28 20:45:54 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:45:54 -0600 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090328144554.0585e2c9@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:02 -0400 Brian Honaker wrote: > Folks, > Not sure where to send this, but I think the release after > Karmic should be Lucent Lama. > > Thanks! > Brian > Here's the place for suggestions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From raquel at thericehouse.net Sat Mar 28 20:52:30 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:52:30 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090328135230.332d2e8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0700 "David M. Karr" wrote: > If I have clamav running an automated scan each night, and it finds > a virus in my IMAP inbox, what good does that do me? I have 156 > messages in my Inbox currently, and no way to know which one has > the virus (although it's pretty likely it was one of the messages > I've received in the last 24 hours). It seems like it would be > useful for clamav to have some sort of integration/knowledge with > the mail system, so it can provide better information about which > email message has a virus. Is there any practical way to do this? > Has this ever been considered? > I don't know what your specific situation is. However, on my mail server, running Debian Lenny, clamav discards anything with a virus in it. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ I've always figured that if God wanted us to go to church a lot He'd have given us bigger behinds to sit on and smaller heads to think with. --P.J. O'Rourke From sgrace at pobox.com Sat Mar 28 21:06:33 2009 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:06:33 -0700 Subject: Help with start up and sound card In-Reply-To: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> References: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238274393.5926.25.camel@triton> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 19:45 -0600, Arturo Esquivel S. wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and I am having 2 problems: > > 1) At start up, Ubuntu gets to a screen after which it won't boot and I > don't know what to do, so I have to restart the computer. There's an > attachment of the screen I get. > > 2) I can get my sound card to work. > > I have an Hp Pavilion tx2000 Notebook PC and I made a 20 Gb partition > for Ubuntu. Regarding problem #1 -- I had the same issue with the BusyBox screen when trying to run Ubuntu 8.04 on my new desktop PC. I'm assuming that you're pressing the reset button at that point. Are you saying that Ubuntu then boots? If so, it would appear that your issue is different. From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 22:00:44 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <606714.60163.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/28/09, David M. Karr wrote: > From: David M. Karr > Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 3:38 PM > If I have clamav running an automated scan each night, and > it finds a > virus in my IMAP inbox, what good does that do me? I have > 156 messages > in my Inbox currently, and no way to know which one has the > virus > (although it's pretty likely it was one of the messages > I've received in > the last 24 hours). It seems like it would be useful for > clamav to have > some sort of integration/knowledge with the mail system, so > it can > provide better information about which email message has a > virus. Is > there any practical way to do this? Has this ever been > considered? > Have the same problem even on a manual test of the HDD. It reports several viruses found but doesn't say what or where they are located. In the past, clamav, would list the names and location but now it doesn't anymore or I can't find them. They are likely just the test paterns that are provided to be sure your av detects the viruses but who knows as not enough info is reported. Maybe some smart persons will tell us how to get clamav to report on found viruses again. I'm at a lost. Clamav doesn't always remove the virus, at least on the HDD, as someone has said at least in my case. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 22:23:51 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:23:51 -0700 Subject: File Systems In-Reply-To: <200903281417.25465.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> <200903281417.25465.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 03/28/2009 06:17 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on >> this computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because >> the loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the >> ext3 file system and found that and both are using it. > > You could change an ext2 system to ext3 with a simple command > (tune2fs -j), so ext2 would have been no real problem. > >> But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why >> I should use ext4 :-) > > I could only tell you why you should NOT use ext4. It is still > experimental and some people lost some files. > > > > Nils > Plus there are grub issues, etc: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Ext4 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 22:36:47 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 Subject: Turn on WiFi Message-ID: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> I have a HP laptop called a Presario CQ50. It comes with Vista installed and somehow the Windows turns on the WiFi hardware after it is turned on. When I turn the Vista off it now turns the hardware off. Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able to get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for about 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now it can't find WiFi either. There is a button next to the On-Off button that is red it seems when the WiFi hardware is off. It turns green when you have Vista running. But for 6 months or more 8.10 had WiFi with a red light. Any ideas from other Ubuntu users? The things I read are all about WiFi hardware that is not supported. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From bpbroas at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 22:57:59 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:57:59 +0000 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot Message-ID: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:19:03 -0700 From: Thorny Subject: Re: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > My other suggestion about device designation in the menu.lst would > probably be worth a try. >After considering this further while having lunch, I doubt this, by >itself, would help as it won't get to menu.lst if it can't find the GRUB >MBR. Maybe you'll have to write the GRUB MBR to whichever drive is >enumerated as hd0 in order for it to work, as long as you get consistency >in which drive is hd0, and then use the LABEL or UUID designation of the >IDE drive for the boot partition in menu.lst. >You mentioned language, If you have trouble translating and find my >suggestion unclear, I can try to explain it better or someone here may >speak your first language and be willing to help. I understand english perfectily but the writing isn't that good, lack of pratice... Thanks for the concern :D Ok, back to business, i' ve had dinner, and rested a little... It can find grub at start up without cd, lets get to grub console and do grub thingies :p it shows that my master boot is at hd0,1 wich should be correct... Editing the grub option i can see that uuid is already at use but it does not work... The thing that bothers me the most is - the fact that if i boot from cd - then on cd menu choose "boot from first disk" - it appears the grub again ( so far so good, it should amd it does ) If i edit the options they are the same as grub without cd BUT and yes BUT if i go grub console the system drive is hd4,1... And if that isn't strange egnouth ( remeber that i'm still on grub after booting from cd ) one of the first or even the first line that appears shows that it is booting (hd0,1) ext3 bla bla bla... This stuff kills me... I have one of two options the way i see it: - Find a way to boot grub as if it is called from installation cd - replace motherboard I leave it to your appreciation... If you have any doubts or anything you wanna ask please do. Thanks for your time and knowledge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The things I read are all about > WiFi hardware that is not supported. > > > Karl > finds this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=975948 that may help. From bpbroas at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 23:04:24 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:04:24 +0000 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cacf9340903281604x7817fcaaq7b39406792d42ccb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a HP laptop called a Presario CQ50. It comes with Vista > installed and somehow the Windows turns on the WiFi hardware after it is > turned on. When I turn the Vista off it now turns the hardware off. > > Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able to get > WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for about 30 > minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now it can't find WiFi > either. > > There is a button next to the On-Off button that is red it seems > when the WiFi hardware is off. It turns green when you have Vista > running. But for 6 months or more 8.10 had WiFi with a red light. > > Any ideas from other Ubuntu users? The things I read are all about > WiFi hardware that is not supported. > > > Karl > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi karl. It happens to me once in my Vaio, all i did was completely remove network-manager and check if all drivers are in order ( they probably are ), and reinstall network-manager. It worked for me hope it does for you... OH and the red light is a recognicion problem, it doesn't matter at all, my vaio was with the light always off. TtheT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 23:04:31 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:04:31 -0700 Subject: problem with Add/Remove Applications program In-Reply-To: <8898d1df0903261616v6d3dcec3m49ebe7ca812ac363@mail.gmail.com> References: <8898d1df0903261616v6d3dcec3m49ebe7ca812ac363@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 04:16 PM, Michael Mykolyshyn wrote: > For some reason ZSNES, does not seem to want to load. When I clock the > box beside it, nothing happens; no lading signal, no change at all. > Every other program works fine (as it my knowledge). > > Thank you for all your work, I am a new Ubuntu user, and I am loving > every minute of it! > > Michael Mykolyshyn > brings up a several pages that might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zsnes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bugs etc. From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 22:27:36 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:27:36 -0300 Subject: lxde and nm-applet situation is worse: Jaunty python upgrade prevents pygtk apps from working References: <9b711ec60903271351t631f2489gc3a7ed21eb90c474@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1465972.guRLBDxBHy@cedar.serverforest.com> Paulo Silva wrote: > Well, i'm not yet using Jaunty (still on Interpid) - and i got an > annoying situation having both LXDE and Gnome installed - a dependence > named lxnm, not only it's not working, as well it removes by conflict > nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), and if we insist > reinstalling LXDE, we take the risk on being completelly offline (if > we only have wireless access), like happened to me. > > I think it were a MOTU 'disaster' on marking lxnm package as > conflicting with network-manager-gnome > > I commented it at the LXDE mailing list, and they didn't like it at all as > well > > I hope this situation can be fixed soon - and helping people who want > to use LXDE working with nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), or > having the freedom of choice - even from a larger wireless managers > diversity (which may help us to know which ones are the very better) I'm not really sure what your issue is here, but there are a few things that come to mind. 1) there should be a meta-package for network connections, which things like network-manager should provide 2) LXDE is the real problem here - if it wants to run on Ubuntu, it really needs to work with network-manager, because that's our default network manager (???). If it can, then it can provide a dependency on "lxnm | network-manager" (surely not network-manager-gnome). I'd be really, really, surprised if this can't be fixed merely by providing those alternate dependencies on the package and no other change. 3) I'm not sure network-manager really needs to be so exclusive, but there must be _some_ network control applications that can't be installed, because surely only one application can be managing any given connection. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 22:36:23 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:36:23 -0300 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> <20090328144554.0585e2c9@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:02 -0400 > Brian Honaker wrote: > >> Folks, >> Not sure where to send this, but I think the release after >> Karmic should be Lucent Lama. > > Here's the place for suggestions: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames > Now that's better Brian, but I think you need to get your spelling right to have a chance! "A one-l lama, that's a priest. A two-l llama, that's a beast. But I bet a silk pajama, There's no such thing as a three-l lllama." Ogden Nash, of course. Calling it Lucent Lama might be politically sensitive. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 23:08:17 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:08:17 -0700 Subject: Help with start up and sound card In-Reply-To: <49CDA571.701@crhometech.com> References: <49CDA571.701@crhometech.com> Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 09:20 PM, Arturo Esquivel S. wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and I am having 2 problems: > > 1) At start up, Ubuntu gets to a screen after which it won't boot and I don't > know what to do, so I have to restart the computer. The message in the screen I > get is the following: > > *BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > (initramfs) Does it then boot after the restart (hence the sound question)? What version/flavor of Ubuntu are you having problems with? > * > 2) I can get my sound card to work. > > I have an Hp Pavilion tx2000 Notebook PC and I made a 20 Gb partition for Ubuntu. From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 22:30:38 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:30:38 -0300 Subject: Next Ubuntu name. References: <49CCE868.4060803@gmail.com> <359a3c580903281345y18d2eba0rdf6c592994950b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1731066.pnsmszydxe@cedar.serverforest.com> David Fox wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Brian Honaker > wrote: >> Folks, >> Wasn't sure where to send this exactly. For the release after Jaunty, I >> kind of like Kitschy Kangaroo. Just a thought. Other ideas? > > Kaptain Kangaroo? :) > > Actually it's Karmic Koala AFAIK Yes. You have to get in your vote at least 6 months earlier than this if you want to have a chance :-) [actually, I think we found out about this one in November, but they were surely mulling options before Intrepid was released] -- derek From ugly at frightenstein.com Sat Mar 28 23:18:53 2009 From: ugly at frightenstein.com (Ugly Me) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:18:53 -0400 Subject: File Systems References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> <200903281417.25465.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <01fc01c9affb$9005c880$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NoOp" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: File Systems > On 03/28/2009 06:17 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on > >> this computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because > >> the loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the > >> ext3 file system and found that and both are using it. > > > > You could change an ext2 system to ext3 with a simple command > > (tune2fs -j), so ext2 would have been no real problem. > > > >> But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why > >> I should use ext4 :-) > > > > I could only tell you why you should NOT use ext4. It is still > > experimental and some people lost some files. > > > > > > > > Nils > > > > Plus there are grub issues, etc: Like in the garden? I'm still trying to figure out the differences between all these file systems. Currently I have FAT and NTFS partitions on my Win2K system. I have yet to install Linux except experimentally but I'm preparing for it. From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 22:46:03 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:46:03 -0300 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238268491.1469.2.camel@spare> <49CE7E56.1080503@amedee.be> Message-ID: <2188419.AyRHT14X4B@cedar.serverforest.com> Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > Bill Taylor schreef: >> Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. > > I hardly ever shut down my computer. I use sleep or suspend, and that > takes only a few seconds. For those rare times that I do shut down my > 'puter (perhaps once a month or so) I really don't mind that it takes up > to 30 seconds. > > May I ask a counterquestion? Why do you want your computer to shut down > so fast? i suspect he means that when you start "shutdown" it _waits_ for users to see the shutdown message and log out. On a single user system, that's a bit redundant. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 23:30:15 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:30:15 -0700 Subject: File Systems In-Reply-To: <01fc01c9affb$9005c880$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> References: <49CE1D4E.9020008@gmail.com> <200903281417.25465.kassube@gmx.net> <01fc01c9affb$9005c880$8807ef63@MYLITTLEPHONY> Message-ID: On 03/28/2009 04:18 PM, Ugly Me wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NoOp" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: File Systems > > >> On 03/28/2009 06:17 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: >> > Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >> I have loaded Jaunty Beta twice, and have done a full update on >> >> this computers Jaunty. All is fine, but I was stopped 2 times because >> >> the loader was going to use the ext2 file system, but I wanted the >> >> ext3 file system and found that and both are using it. >> > >> > You could change an ext2 system to ext3 with a simple command >> > (tune2fs -j), so ext2 would have been no real problem. >> > >> >> But I noted there is now a ext4 file system. Does anyone know why >> >> I should use ext4 :-) >> > >> > I could only tell you why you should NOT use ext4. It is still >> > experimental and some people lost some files. >> > >> > >> > >> > Nils >> > >> >> Plus there are grub issues, etc: > > Like in the garden? > I'm still trying to figure out the differences between all these file > systems. > Currently I have FAT and NTFS partitions on my Win2K system. > I have yet to install Linux except experimentally but I'm preparing for it. > > > These will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary https://help.ubuntu.com/ https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/switching/index.html From ssc1478 at aim.com Sat Mar 28 23:34:30 2009 From: ssc1478 at aim.com (ssc1478) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:34:30 -0400 Subject: Nautilus 2.24.1 in Intrepid 8.10 Message-ID: <20090328193430.00307896@romulus> All, I recently upgraded to Intrepid 8.10. I have a usb multi-card reader, supports up to 4 memory cards. In 8.04, nothing showed in Nautilus until I actually inserted a memory card into the reader. In 8.10, there are four entries under Places titled "USB Drive", even though there are no memory cards in the reader. Is there a way to get the old behaviour? Thanks, Phil From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 28 22:43:35 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:43:35 -0300 Subject: changing grub References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CE58A1.6020808@knutejohnson.com> Message-ID: <25287019.oJfvpOuY7g@cedar.serverforest.com> Knute Johnson wrote: > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0600 >> Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: >> >>> My wife wants windows to be the first loading choice when grub comes up >>> (shame on her!). Is there a way to do that? >> >> Yep, just edit this file: >> >> /boot/grub/menu.lst >> > > The option is the; > > default 0 > > change it to the number of your windows entry. If you update and add a > kernel, you will have to do this again. Actually, not. As menu.lst says: # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below So, what you do if you _must_ have Windows first (and can't get a divorce...) is move the Windows stanza _before_ the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS, and then it will always be the first option. -- derek From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 23:41:40 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:41:40 +0700 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> <20090328144554.0585e2c9@teamcharliesangels.com> <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903281641o74528838nac8f6d7f21bcc4ef@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > "A one-l lama, that's a priest. > A two-l llama, that's a beast. > But I bet a silk pajama, > There's no such thing as a three-l lllama." If there was it would live in Wales. Bob -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From rlp1938 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 23:49:43 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:49:43 +0700 Subject: Help with start up and sound card In-Reply-To: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> References: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903281649y36c7ddd3y39993ca118ffb424@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/28 Arturo Esquivel S. : > Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and I am having 2 problems: > > 1) At start up, Ubuntu gets to a screen after which it won't boot and I > don't know what to do, so I have to restart the computer. There's an > attachment of the screen I get. > > 2) I can get my sound card to work. > > I have an Hp Pavilion tx2000 Notebook PC and I made a 20 Gb partition for > Ubuntu. > If you are running 8.04 or 8.10 pulseaudio is fubarred. So update pulseaudio as per this link; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 It will take careful reading but you most likely need to do it. Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From th1bill at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 00:19:57 2009 From: th1bill at sbcglobal.net (Bill Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:19:57 -0500 Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:45:26 +0100 > From: "Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)" > Subject: Re: Shut down times > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Message-ID: <49CE7E56.1080503 at amedee.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Bill Taylor schreef: > > Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. > > Hello Bill, > > I hardly ever shut down my computer. I use sleep or suspend, and that > takes only a few seconds. For those rare times that I do shut down my > 'puter (perhaps once a month or so) I really don't mind that it takes up > to 30 seconds. > > May I ask a counterquestion? Why do you want your computer to shut down > so fast? > > -- > Amedee > > > Before everyone goes off on me, I'll explain. I live in a poor neighborhood and When a CPU is seen on the side of the street, folks in my church pick it up and deliver it to me and I refurbish it and install Ubuntu. These units usually are given to first year university students and occasionally to someone my age, from 60 to 70 years of age. Being a disabled War Veteran I cannot work and instead give free phone and on site Tech Assistance. The number one complaint from the youth and the elderly is the requirement to either clicking Shut Down in two places or wait for sixty seconds for the machine to begin the shut-down process. I have already edited grub.lst to a three second interval for most of these folks and I promised to research the possibility of a simular wait for shut-down bur a google search did not help me. - Bond Servant, Bill Taylor Killer Spade 806 CE 1968-69 From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 29 00:23:24 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:23:24 -0400 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CEBF7C.8070406@roadrunner.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a HP laptop called a Presario CQ50. It comes with Vista > installed and somehow the Windows turns on the WiFi hardware after it is > turned on. When I turn the Vista off it now turns the hardware off. > > Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able to get > WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for about 30 > minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now it can't find WiFi > either. > did you possibly run updates, and it screwed up your wireless driver? use to happen to me all the time. have you tried backport modules? search in synaptic for backports (make sure you have backports checked in the gui first, and refresh) choose the backport modules for the kernel your running (uname -r) reboot > There is a button next to the On-Off button that is red it seems > when the WiFi hardware is off. It turns green when you > running. But for 6 months or more 8.10 had WiFi with a red light. wifi light on my thinkpad has never worked in linux. but wifi works fine. > > Any ideas from other Ubuntu users? The things I read are all about > WiFi hardware that is not supported. > > > Karl > From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 01:01:25 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:01:25 -0700 Subject: Nautilus 2.24.1 in Intrepid 8.10 In-Reply-To: <20090328193430.00307896@romulus> References: <20090328193430.00307896@romulus> Message-ID: On 03/28/2009 04:34 PM, ssc1478 wrote: > All, > > I recently upgraded to Intrepid 8.10. > > I have a usb multi-card reader, supports up to 4 memory cards. In > 8.04, nothing showed in Nautilus until I actually inserted a memory > card into the reader. In 8.10, there are four entries under Places > titled "USB Drive", even though there are no memory cards in the reader. > > Is there a way to get the old behaviour? > > Thanks, > > Phil > I see what you mean... with a 2 card reader; in 8.04 you get a Places icon titled 'Computer', if you click on that it will bring up another Nautius and the usb drives/slots will show up (computer:///) there even if there is nothing in the reader. On 8.10 it shows each one under the places menu. Don't know how to change it, but I can verify the difference. From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Sun Mar 29 01:11:48 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:11:48 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <20090328135230.332d2e8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <20090328135230.332d2e8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <49CECAD4.1040002@chrononomicon.com> Raquel wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:38:38 -0700 > "David M. Karr" wrote: > >> If I have clamav running an automated scan each night, and it finds >> a virus in my IMAP inbox, what good does that do me? I have 156 >> messages in my Inbox currently, and no way to know which one has >> the virus (although it's pretty likely it was one of the messages >> I've received in the last 24 hours). It seems like it would be >> useful for clamav to have some sort of integration/knowledge with >> the mail system, so it can provide better information about which >> email message has a virus. Is there any practical way to do this? >> Has this ever been considered? >> > > I don't know what your specific situation is. However, on my mail > server, running Debian Lenny, clamav discards anything with a virus > in it. On a mail server, you're scanning mail individually as they pass through the server. On their systems, it sounds like the virus is a piece of encoding in the middle of a big mailbox file, so they can't tell where in that file the virus is actually located and the mail program...the reader...separates messages by formatting codes in the mailbox file. -Bart From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Mar 29 02:54:37 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:54:37 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <606714.60163.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <606714.60163.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CEE2ED.2090905@gatech.edu> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > Have the same problem even on a manual test of the HDD. It reports > several viruses found but doesn't say what or where they are located. > In the past, clamav, would list the names and location but now it > doesn't anymore or I can't find them. What clamav command are you running, exactly, and what version (of Ubuntu and the command)? Have you looked at the manual (http://www.clamav.net/doc/latest/clamdoc.pdf) or man page to see if it has the options you want? I see no sign of a "hidden virus" problem. i did notice an unrelated database glitch similar to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471643 but upgrading to 0.94.2/8683/Wed from hardy backports solved that. With the latest command, this sequence works exactly as expected and documented: mkdir -p avtest for i in a b c d; do dd if=/dev/urandom count=1 bs=68 of=avtest/$i done clamscan -i -r avtest wget https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com -O avtest/c clamscan -i -r avtest It prints: avtest/c: Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND Of course, there are other clamav options you can use, but this one is simple and in line with what you want. Matt Flaschen From raquel at thericehouse.net Sun Mar 29 03:27:05 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:27:05 -0700 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > I have a HP laptop called a Presario CQ50. It comes with Vista > installed and somehow the Windows turns on the WiFi hardware after > it is turned on. When I turn the Vista off it now turns the > hardware off. > > Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able to > get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for about > 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now it can't > find WiFi either. > > There is a button next to the On-Off button that is red it > seems when the WiFi hardware is off. It turns green when you have > Vista running. But for 6 months or more 8.10 had WiFi with a red > light. > > Any ideas from other Ubuntu users? The things I read are all > about WiFi hardware that is not supported. > > > Karl > I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may not work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I removed Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a time getting the wireless to work until I got rid of Network-Manager and installed WICD. Now it works wonderfully! Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. It will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ I've always figured that if God wanted us to go to church a lot He'd have given us bigger behinds to sit on and smaller heads to think with. --P.J. O'Rourke From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 29 03:29:00 2009 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:29:00 +0100 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CEEAFC.3090509@tiscali.co.uk> Brian Honaker wrote: > Folks, > Not sure where to send this, but I think the release after Karmic > should be Lucent Lama. > > Thanks! > Brian > > You mean that the next release after Jaunty Jackass oops... Jackalope is not Kinky Kangaroo? :@þ -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From holtzm at cox.net Sun Mar 29 04:21:50 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:21:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <49CEEAFC.3090509@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> <49CEEAFC.3090509@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Wulfy wrote: >> > You mean that the next release after Jaunty Jackass oops... Jackalope > is not Kinky Kangaroo? :@þ You mean we went right by Flatulent Fox and I missed it. Damn! -- Bob Holtzman Light a man's fire and he will be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 09:18:54 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:18:54 +0200 Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903290218j2cec568bpdd414f449cfc9126@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/29 Bill Taylor > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:45:26 +0100 > > From: "Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)" > > Subject: Re: Shut down times > > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > > > Message-ID: <49CE7E56.1080503 at amedee.be> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Bill Taylor schreef: > > > Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. > > > > Hello Bill, > > > > I hardly ever shut down my computer. I use sleep or suspend, and that > > takes only a few seconds. For those rare times that I do shut down my > > 'puter (perhaps once a month or so) I really don't mind that it takes up > > to 30 seconds. > > > > May I ask a counterquestion? Why do you want your computer to shut down > > so fast? > > > > -- > > Amedee > > > > > > > > > Before everyone goes off on me, I'll explain. I live in a poor > neighborhood and When a CPU is seen on the side of the street, folks in > my church pick it up and deliver it to me and I refurbish it and install > Ubuntu. These units usually are given to first year university students > and occasionally to someone my age, from 60 to 70 years of age. > > Being a disabled War Veteran I cannot work and instead give free phone > and on site Tech Assistance. The number one complaint from the youth > and the elderly is the requirement to either clicking Shut Down in two > places or wait for sixty seconds for the machine to begin the shut-down > process. I have already edited grub.lst to a three second interval for > most of these folks and I promised to research the possibility of a > simular wait for shut-down bur a google search did not help me. > 60 seconds before beginning the shut down process? That can't be right, can it? I will try that on my system and then get back here… J.R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 09:36:56 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:36:56 +0200 Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: <8ad06bca0903290218j2cec568bpdd414f449cfc9126@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903290218j2cec568bpdd414f449cfc9126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903290236l5732a445r69fe12da1496f20@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/29 Johnny Rosenberg > 2009/3/29 Bill Taylor > >> >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:45:26 +0100 >> > From: "Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)" >> > Subject: Re: Shut down times >> > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" >> > >> > Message-ID: <49CE7E56.1080503 at amedee.be> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Bill Taylor schreef: >> > > Is it possible to edit the shut down time and make it 3 secs. >> > >> > Hello Bill, >> > >> > I hardly ever shut down my computer. I use sleep or suspend, and that >> > takes only a few seconds. For those rare times that I do shut down my >> > 'puter (perhaps once a month or so) I really don't mind that it takes up >> > to 30 seconds. >> > >> > May I ask a counterquestion? Why do you want your computer to shut down >> > so fast? >> > >> > -- >> > Amedee >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Before everyone goes off on me, I'll explain. I live in a poor >> neighborhood and When a CPU is seen on the side of the street, folks in >> my church pick it up and deliver it to me and I refurbish it and install >> Ubuntu. These units usually are given to first year university students >> and occasionally to someone my age, from 60 to 70 years of age. >> >> Being a disabled War Veteran I cannot work and instead give free phone >> and on site Tech Assistance. The number one complaint from the youth >> and the elderly is the requirement to either clicking Shut Down in two >> places or wait for sixty seconds for the machine to begin the shut-down >> process. I have already edited grub.lst to a three second interval for >> most of these folks and I promised to research the possibility of a >> simular wait for shut-down bur a google search did not help me. >> > 60 seconds before beginning the shut down process? That can't be right, can > it? > I will try that on my system and then get back here… > J.R. > Okay, I'm back… How long it takes for my laptop to shut down depends on what I have done with it before shutting it down. In this case, not much: Studied some of my emerald settings, had Pidgin running in the background and I used Opera, the web browser, with only two tabs open, one of them was my GMail. Two click with the mouse is required to shut this baby down: The upper right corner and then Shut down. 14.6 s later, my laptop was completely shut down, so I'm not sure about what 60 s you are talking about. My laptop is a Packad Bell Easy Note, bought in December 2006, with Windows XP pre-installed. One small partition, about 15 GB, still contains XP, the rest is Ubuntu 8.10 and it boots to Ubuntu by default. Of course this test was made with Ubuntu. More data: 1.6 GHz, 2.0 GiB RAM. J.R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jh+ubuntu at daria.co.uk Sun Mar 29 09:49:23 2009 From: jh+ubuntu at daria.co.uk (Jonathan Hudson) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:49:23 +0100 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: <3qs3a6xa4p.ln2@roo.daria.co.uk> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:19:57 -0500, Bill Taylor wrote: >Being a disabled War Veteran I cannot work and instead give free phone >and on site Tech Assistance. The number one complaint from the youth >and the elderly is the requirement to either clicking Shut Down in two >places or wait for sixty seconds for the machine to begin the shut-down >process. I have already edited grub.lst to a three second interval for >most of these folks and I promised to research the possibility of a >simular wait for shut-down bur a google search did not help me. > If you are referring to the (optional) dialogue after clicking logout or shutdown that asks you to wait 60s or confirm the action, then you can remove that: In Intrepid (8.10), use the configuration editor (gconf-editor) and navigate to the key /apps/gnome-session/options/logout_prompt and clear the check box. If you're using the fast-user-switch-applet (f-u-s-a), it either does not prompt, or respects this key (can't remember which). In Jaunty (9.04), f-u-s-a forces this stupid confirmation prompt on you, much to many users distaste, unless, at the moment, you install a different version from a ppa. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/345480 for the gory details. -jh From alain.muls at telenet.be Sun Mar 29 10:49:01 2009 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:49:01 +0200 Subject: Did I upgrade to 9.04beta? Message-ID: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi 9.04 beta is now a couple of days old and I did not see any new updates on my alpha6 system. Is this normal or should I do a manual operation to upgrade to the beta version? Tx/Alain From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 11:04:26 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:04:26 -0700 Subject: Help with start up and sound card References: <49CD8122.605@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:45:06 -0600, Arturo Esquivel S. posted: >[...] > There's an attachment of the screen I get. > >[...] Please don't attach screenshots in posts to the list. Graphic files are large relative to the text posted, this post of yours with the screenshot is roughly 100 times the size of the average of the two posts that have been sent in reply to it at the time I am typing this reply. Some people pay for bandwidth or have limited connection time and large posts eat up more bandwidth, thus costing them more over time and they are all here trying to help as volunteers. In addition, your screenshot did not give any more information that if you had just typed the output: BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (initramfs) - I think you were trying to give as much information as possible but it isn't appropriate to send unrequested attachments. One possible exception to that might be if an attachment is requested of you by someone trying to help but usually in that case a helper would suggest a place to put the file that could be accessed outside of email to the list. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 11:33:40 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:33:40 -0700 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: >[...] > > Before everyone goes off on me, I'll explain. >[...] I didn't see any indication that anyone was going off on you Bill. Often people ask questions but don't provide much information to go on and it's necessary to ask questions to try and figure out what the poster is actually asking. Not saying that this is necessarily true of you but often people ask for a specific solution but there is a simpler solution once it's determined exactly what problem they are trying to correct. I know I had some questions in my mind as I read your post. Now that you have explained a little more, I still do. Are you saying that all of the reclaimed boxes you work with take 60 seconds to shutdown? ...or is there some significant variation in time? I don't understand the people's objection to clicking more than once, I don't know from where they get their experience, you can't shut a Windows box down without clicking more than once. That is, unless you use the power switch and is isn't recommend there any more than it is here. As to time, well, in order for a system to do an orderly shutdown, applications have to close, files have to be closed, partitions have to be unmounted. If you think about it, the slower the system processor and, to an extent, the less RAM, the slower the system is able to go through the steps. Derek mentioned one aspect. In order to help us to help you it might be a good idea for you to furnish us some more data to work with. My question about if it is for all the boxes might be relevant. If you have a particular box that you are working on now, give us some more details of processor speed, RAM and, as Johnny mentioned, what is running when you try to shut it down? (Even though Johnny posted with HTML and that is to be avoided according to Ubuntu Mailing List Etiquette.) From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk Sun Mar 29 11:42:52 2009 From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:42:52 +0100 Subject: Did I upgrade to 9.04beta? In-Reply-To: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <49CF5EBC.5060204@manchester.ac.uk> Alain, Alain Muls wrote: > 9.04 beta is now a couple of days old and I did not see any new updates on my > alpha6 system. Is this normal or should I do a manual operation to upgrade to > the beta version? I'm not sure, but I installed Jaunty Beta on Friday afternoon on my laptop and I have had some updates since, so things have not been static since the beta release. No doubt you've done this, but I would run Update Manager and hit the Check button and see what it says. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security, Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 11:44:04 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:44:04 -0700 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: It looks to me that Jonathan's post has a good chance of being what you want. I've just seen it after reconnecting to post to you. Now it probably makes more sense to you that, rather than asking people to guess, it's more productive to explain in more detail. From bpbroas at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 11:45:54 2009 From: bpbroas at gmail.com (Bruno Pinto) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:45:54 +0100 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot In-Reply-To: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cacf9340903290445x360f4a6ld5e3d6e7fd7e67dc@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Bruno Pinto wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:19:03 -0700 > From: Thorny > Subject: Re: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > My other suggestion about device designation in the menu.lst would > > probably be worth a try. > > >After considering this further while having lunch, I doubt this, by > >itself, would help as it won't get to menu.lst if it can't find the GRUB > >MBR. Maybe you'll have to write the GRUB MBR to whichever drive is > >enumerated as hd0 in order for it to work, as long as you get consistency > >in which drive is hd0, and then use the LABEL or UUID designation of the > >IDE drive for the boot partition in menu.lst. > > >You mentioned language, If you have trouble translating and find my > >suggestion unclear, I can try to explain it better or someone here may > >speak your first language and be willing to help. > > I understand english perfectily but the writing isn't that good, lack of > pratice... Thanks for the concern :D > > Ok, back to business, i' ve had dinner, and rested a little... > > It can find grub at start up without cd, lets get to grub console and do > grub thingies :p it shows that my master boot is at hd0,1 wich should be > correct... > > Editing the grub option i can see that uuid is already at use but it does > not work... > > The thing that bothers me the most is > > - the fact that if i boot from cd > - then on cd menu choose "boot from first disk" > - it appears the grub again ( so far so good, it should amd > it does ) > > If i edit the options they are the same as grub without cd BUT and yes BUT > if i go grub console the system drive is hd4,1... > > And if that isn't strange egnouth ( remeber that i'm still on grub after > booting from cd ) one of the first or even the first line that appears shows > that it is booting (hd0,1) ext3 bla bla bla... > > This stuff kills me... > > I have one of two options the way i see it: > > - Find a way to boot grub as if it is called from > installation cd > - replace motherboard > > I leave it to your appreciation... > > If you have any doubts or anything you wanna ask please do. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've changed the uuid on grub to good hold /dev/XXX and it's exactly the same lol just giving up... my boss gonna kill me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As menu.lst says: > > # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST > > ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST > ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified > ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below > > So, what you do if you _must_ have Windows first (and can't get a > divorce...) is move the Windows stanza _before_ the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS, and > then it will always be the first option. > > -- > derek > > She says if I want a divorce she'll take me to the cleaners. Since the > stock market already took half, I'd end up with nothing. > So if I make a mistake how can I recover? Is there a way to make a back up of grub and then use it to get the computer going? Or if I can't get it going again, do I just go ahead and get the divorce anyway, unless she seeks treatment for Windows syndrome? gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 12:19:01 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:19:01 -0700 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> <7cacf9340903290445x360f4a6ld5e3d6e7fd7e67dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >[...] > I've changed the uuid on grub to good hold /dev/XXX and it's exactly the > same lol > > just giving up... my boss gonna kill me >[...] I can understand your frustration although I am having trouble understanding what you are writing. However, since it boots correctly when you select IDE in the BIOS and, presumably, it has some kind of hardware RAID. Maybe you should just not select that and setup software RAID for your file storage. Most of the time that can work out better if the MB fails and you can't get a direct, exact replacement anyway. Software RAID should work on whatever you would have to replace a failed MB with and I doubt that there would be a significant performance difference. That's the most I can offer, except to say, I wish you would please post in text only to the list as HTML is to be avoided per the Ubuntu Mailing List Etiquette. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 12:35:36 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:35:36 -0700 Subject: changing grub References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CE58A1.6020808@knutejohnson.com> <25287019.oJfvpOuY7g@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:56:36 -0600, Gary Kirkpatrick posted: >[...] > So if I make a mistake how can I recover? Is there a way to make a back up > of grub and then use it to get the computer going? Or if I can't get it > going again, do I just go ahead and get the divorce anyway, unless she > seeks treatment for Windows syndrome? > .[...] There are a couple of ways. Save the file with a sightly different name before editing it and use the GRUB shell interactively at boot to choose your backup configuration instead of your edited version, thus to boot as you are now. Use a live CD to change your edit back to what it is now or delete the newly edited file and rename your backup back to menu.lst. But you won't likely make a mistake, it's easy to cut and paste the Windows stanza to the correct location. From linuxkharon at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 12:42:47 2009 From: linuxkharon at gmail.com (Papp =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E1roly?=) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:42:47 +0200 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot In-Reply-To: References: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> <7cacf9340903290445x360f4a6ld5e3d6e7fd7e67dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238330567.5800.14.camel@kharon-laptop> I am quite new in Linux, but I have a few years behind me in IT and servers... So general information is coming up :-) On a few servers I've installed (WS2k3, I know it's a shame, but hey come on, they pay me to do this... :-)) we received a special boot CD/DVD within the package, and without the drivers that were on the disc, I couldn't see (actually Windows couldn't see) the RAID5 partitions. To be able to use the HW RAID system of these servers, I had to boot from the disc, and go through a special setup procedure (in which I could config everything I needed), and after a reboot, WS2k3 worked just like an angel... And all of these without tampering the BIOS... So I guess it could worth the time to take a look around, maybe you can get some bootable images with the needed drivers. Good luck, and be the first, kill your boss and take his job... :-) Best wishes Kharon P.S.: Sorry for the typos (if any), I hadn't got a chance for a long time to use my English. > >[...] > > I've changed the uuid on grub to good hold /dev/XXX and it's exactly the > > same lol > > > > just giving up... my boss gonna kill me > >[...] > > I can understand your frustration although I am having trouble > understanding what you are writing. > > However, since it boots correctly when you select IDE in the BIOS and, > presumably, it has some kind of hardware RAID. Maybe you should just not > select that and setup software RAID for your file storage. Most of the > time that can work out better if the MB fails and you can't get a direct, > exact replacement anyway. Software RAID should work on whatever you would > have to replace a failed MB with and I doubt that there would be a > significant performance difference. > > That's the most I can offer, except to say, I wish you would please post > in text only to the list as HTML is to be avoided per the Ubuntu Mailing > List Etiquette. > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette > > From mihai at duras.ro Sun Mar 29 12:44:27 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:44:27 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager Message-ID: <49CF6D2B.3010702@duras.ro> Hello guys, I've just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my desktop PC at home, being used to it so far only on servers and working just with the console. So far, I'm having 2 problems and after reading and google-ing a bit I decided to also ask here in hopes of finding better workarounds. Currently there are 2 bugs which I've seen and people have already reported: - NetworkManager won't save any static IP setting - Sound Control Applet won't save my unchecked box Analog/Digital Output for my Audigy Card (My speakers are connected via Analog..so no matter what I do, after each restart the checkbox appears again in its initial state and I have no sound..which is frustrating). So, questions: 1. For Network Manager is there any more decent way for adding a static IP, rather then using a script in /etc/rc.local with ifconfig and route ? 2. For the Sound problem how may I get it to work without opening each time the volume control (or alsamixer ncurses interface via console) and unchecking the Analog/Digital checkbox ? Thanks in advance, Mihai From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 12:51:24 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:51:24 -0700 Subject: ubuntu server intrepid does not boot References: <7cacf9340903281557y2bb64f16ueb2f9c69e2c71091@mail.gmail.com> <7cacf9340903290445x360f4a6ld5e3d6e7fd7e67dc@mail.gmail.com> <1238330567.5800.14.camel@kharon-laptop> Message-ID: [...] I think you meant to send this reply to Bruno, not to me. From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 12:55:48 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:55:48 -0500 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma Message-ID: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> I have no problem creating live CD'S and depending on the OS being installed or the presence of other OS where to put grub and how to answer the MBR question is elusive as all get out to me at least. I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in gpated and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given partition. Could someone point me to an explanation -- Allen Meyers texas.chef94 at gmail.com If you can walk and chew gum same time you can run Linux In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 29 13:02:40 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:02:40 -0300 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903290218j2cec568bpdd414f449cfc9126@mail.gmail.com> <8ad06bca0903290236l5732a445r69fe12da1496f20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3985009.EhqpjDdH83@cedar.serverforest.com> Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > How long it takes for my laptop to shut down depends on what I have done > with it before shutting it down. Not so much. It depends more on what services are running. On my development system which is running web servers, application servers, database servers, etc, etc, each of those servers has an appreciable shut down period, and it won't run them in parallel. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 29 13:08:41 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:08:41 -0300 Subject: changing grub References: <20090328180127.20dc71c3.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49CE58A1.6020808@knutejohnson.com> <25287019.oJfvpOuY7g@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1886590.ER4NioCahD@cedar.serverforest.com> Gary Kirkpatrick wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: > >> So, what you do if you _must_ have Windows first (and can't get a >> divorce...) is move the Windows stanza _before_ the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS, >> and then it will always be the first option. > > So if I make a mistake how can I recover? Is there a way to make a back up > of grub and then use it to get the computer going? Or if I can't get it > going again, do I just go ahead and get the divorce anyway, unless she > seeks treatment for Windows syndrome? The latter is always best, but short of that: - make sure you have a copy of the last working grub menu and know where it is. - reboot with new menu - if you've screwed it up so badly that it won't boot, boot with a LiveCD, mount the partition with /boot on it, copy the working menu.lst over the one that failed - reboot -- derek From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 29 13:22:42 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:22:42 -0600 Subject: Did I upgrade to 9.04beta? In-Reply-To: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20090329072242.3fda1511@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:49:01 +0200 Alain Muls wrote: > Hi > > 9.04 beta is now a couple of days old and I did not see any new > updates on my alpha6 system. Is this normal or should I do a manual > operation to upgrade to the beta version? > > Tx/Alain > > I think do the manual updates, mine had 141 on Friday and 87 on Saturday. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From mihai at duras.ro Sun Mar 29 13:58:38 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:58:38 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid old kswapd problem Message-ID: <49CF7E8E.60804@duras.ro> Hello all, I'm seeing an older bug from a previous Ubuntu distribution. I constantly get in the logs: [ 4733.432704] Bad page state in process 'kswapd0' [ 4733.432706] page:c12df294 flags:0x40000008 mapping:00000000 mapcount:-67108864 count:0 [ 4733.432713] Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed [ 4733.432715] Backtrace: [ 4733.432719] Pid: 199, comm: kswapd0 Tainted: P B 2.6.27-11-server #1 [ 4733.432723] [] ? printk+0x1d/0x1f [ 4733.432732] [] bad_page+0x7c/0xd0 [ 4733.432737] [] free_hot_cold_page+0x1f1/0x200 [ 4733.432742] [] __pagevec_free+0x2d/0x40 [ 4733.432746] [] shrink_page_list+0x308/0x450 [ 4733.432752] [] shrink_inactive_list+0x183/0x410 [ 4733.432778] [] ? wake_up_process+0xf/0x20 [ 4733.432787] [] ? xfsbufd_wakeup+0x5a/0x60 [xfs] [ 4733.432812] [] ? up_read+0x8/0x20 [ 4733.432818] [] shrink_zone+0x6a/0x130 [ 4733.432822] [] balance_pgdat+0x3ae/0x3d0 [ 4733.432827] [] ? isolate_pages_global+0x0/0x60 [ 4733.432832] [] ? finish_wait+0x16/0x70 [ 4733.432838] [] kswapd+0xc9/0x120 [ 4733.432842] [] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x50 [ 4733.432847] [] ? kswapd+0x0/0x120 [ 4733.432851] [] kthread+0x41/0x80 [ 4733.432856] [] ? kthread+0x0/0x80 [ 4733.432860] [] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10 [ 4733.432865] ======================= I'm running Intrepid. Kernel: 2.6.27-11-server #1 SMP with support for PAE (I have 32 bit and 4 GB RAM). Root is on LVM and reiserfs. How can I solve this ? So far I've seen no issues to affect me but it bugs me that it keeps filling my logs. Thanks, Mihai From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:20:22 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:20:22 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:55:48 -0500, allen meyers posted: > I have no problem creating live CD'S and depending on the OS being > installed or the presence of other OS where to put grub and how to > answer the MBR question is elusive as all get out to me at least. > I assume you mean when you're installing from some live CD. Well, it has been my experience that different distros ask that "MBR question" in different ways and often with somewhat different meaning. I have seen people confused by this issue many times and often they end up not being able to boot or only to be able to boot to the last distro installed. In the old days we often used a separate boot partition (I still do, I'm an old guy). I never have to rewrite the MBR part of GRUB when I install a new OS for a multi-boot. However, I do have to manually edit my menu.lst for the new OS. That's not a problem for me but can be problematic for inexperienced users who need to rely on automagic. You probably need to understand a little more about GRUB. The relationship of the bootloader in the MBR which "hands off" to the rest of GRUB on a partition. This is because these days, GRUB won't all fit in the limited amount of the MBR section of a drive. You might want to study this online document and then ask some specific questions. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html > I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in gpated > and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given > partition. Could someone point me to an explanation I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by boot on flag. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:51:09 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:51:09 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CF6D2B.3010702@duras.ro> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:44:27 +0300, Mihai Tanasescu posted: > > I've just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my desktop PC at home, being used to > it so far only on servers and working just with the console. So far, I'm > having 2 problems and after reading and google-ing a bit I decided to > also ask here in hopes of finding better workarounds. Better than what? What have you tried up to now? And why didn't they suit your purpose? >Currently there are 2 bugs which I've seen and people have already >reported: - NetworkManager won't save any static IP setting - ... I don't think NetworkManager was intended to deal with the static IP situation, I think it's intended to handle roaming for you, pretty much transparently after an initial connect at a location. Similar to the way that Redmond operating system does. I think it ignores any static stanzas in your interfaces file. Personally, in a local LAN, I let my router hand out a static IP with DHCP for the systems which I want one. Can't help with question 2. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 15:43:42 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:43:42 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:55:48 -0500, allen meyers posted: >[...] I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in >gpated and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given >partition. Could someone point me to an explanation Okay, Allen it occurs to me that you must be talking about boot flag, what is sometimes called a partition that is marked "active". It really doesn't matter for GNU/Linux. GRUB doesn't care about a partition being marked active, it will go and boot from the partition identified as the root in the GRUB menu.lst using the kernel image identified in the line that is usually just below the "root" line. That active partition is a DOS/Windows thing from the old days and I don't know if even Windows still cares about that. Someone who uses modern Windows can jump in here with info about that. Maybe Derek, he probably has to support Windows at the college or anyone who is reading and who knows. From ajj9 at case.edu Sun Mar 29 16:01:47 2009 From: ajj9 at case.edu (Andrew Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:01:47 -0400 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma In-Reply-To: References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> I believe Windows requires that the partition it resides on to be marked active. Andy Johnson Thorny wrote: > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:55:48 -0500, allen meyers posted: >> [...] I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in >> gpated and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given >> partition. Could someone point me to an explanation > > Okay, Allen it occurs to me that you must be talking about boot flag, what > is sometimes called a partition that is marked "active". It really doesn't > matter for GNU/Linux. GRUB doesn't care about a partition being marked > active, it will go and boot from the partition identified as the root in > the GRUB menu.lst using the kernel image identified in the line that is > usually just below the "root" line. > > That active partition is a DOS/Windows thing from the old days and I don't > know if even Windows still cares about that. Someone who uses modern > Windows can jump in here with info about that. Maybe Derek, he probably > has to support Windows at the college or anyone who is reading and who > knows. > > From raquel at thericehouse.net Sun Mar 29 16:02:28 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:02:28 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: <49CF6D2B.3010702@duras.ro> References: <49CF6D2B.3010702@duras.ro> Message-ID: <20090329090228.1c478c80.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:44:27 +0300 Mihai Tanasescu wrote: > Hello guys, > > > I've just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my desktop PC at home, being > used to it so far only on servers and working just with the console. > So far, I'm having 2 problems and after reading and google-ing a > bit I decided to also ask here in hopes of finding better > workarounds. Currently there are 2 bugs which I've seen and people > have already reported: > - NetworkManager won't save any static IP setting > - Sound Control Applet won't save my unchecked box Analog/Digital > Output for my Audigy Card > (My speakers are connected via Analog..so no matter what I do, > after each restart the checkbox appears again in its initial state > and I have no sound..which is frustrating). > > So, questions: > 1. For Network Manager is there any more decent way for adding a > static IP, rather then using a script in /etc/rc.local with > ifconfig and route ? > 2. For the Sound problem how may I get it to work without opening > each time the volume control (or alsamixer ncurses interface via > console) and unchecking the Analog/Digital checkbox ? > I'm no expert. I don't have any answers for your sound problems. However, all my network problems with 8.10 ended when I installed WICD, which removed Network Manager. Using WICD I can connect to my static IP network (wired & unwired) or I can connect to someone else's dynamic IP network. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ I've always figured that if God wanted us to go to church a lot He'd have given us bigger behinds to sit on and smaller heads to think with. --P.J. O'Rourke From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 16:08:53 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:08:53 -0500 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma In-Reply-To: <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> Message-ID: <1238342933.3319.24.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 12:01 -0400, Andrew Johnson wrote: > I believe Windows requires that the partition it resides on to be marked > active. > > Andy Johnson > > > Thorny wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:55:48 -0500, allen meyers posted: > >> [...] I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in > >> gpated and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given > >> partition. Could someone point me to an explanation > > > > Okay, Allen it occurs to me that you must be talking about boot flag, what > > is sometimes called a partition that is marked "active". It really doesn't > > matter for GNU/Linux. GRUB doesn't care about a partition being marked > > active, it will go and boot from the partition identified as the root in > > the GRUB menu.lst using the kernel image identified in the line that is > > usually just below the "root" line. > > > > That active partition is a DOS/Windows thing from the old days and I don't > > know if even Windows still cares about that. Someone who uses modern > > Windows can jump in here with info about that. Maybe Derek, he probably > > has to support Windows at the college or anyone who is reading and who > > knows. So are we saying here that 2 different OS on 2 different drives can both show the boot ID and be able to have a successful dual boot? Because when I receive error 21 (cannot boot)and there is a boot ID on 2 different OS removing one allows me to dual boot Allen > > > > > From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 16:25:19 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes Message-ID: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > From: Matthew Flaschen snip It reports > > several viruses found but doesn't say what or > where they are located. > > In the past, clamav, would list the names and location > but now it > > doesn't anymore or I can't find them. > > What clamav command are you running, exactly, and what > version (of > Ubuntu and the command)? Have you looked at the manual > (http://www.clamav.net/doc/latest/clamdoc.pdf) or man page > to see if it > has the options you want? > Thanks, Matthew, for the help: clamscan -V ClamAV 0.94.2/9178/Sat Mar 28 21:52:31 2009 sudo clamscan -vir / [sudo] password for lchata: Have looked at the man page, not the manual url(note to myself to do so). Am running intrepid up-to-date. Output of above scan: ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- Known viruses: 537600 Engine version: 0.94.2 Scanned directories: 43409 Scanned files: 191168 Infected files: 5 Data scanned: 6197.88 MB Time: 1125.166 sec (18 m 45 s) Note: this scan was just done while answering this email. The scan summary is the same as for previous scans, ie, no detail as to what viruses or their location. > I see no sign of a "hidden virus" problem. Me, or the OP? I did not say anything about a "hidden virus". i did > notice an unrelated > database glitch similar to > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471643 but > upgrading to > 0.94.2/8683/Wed from hardy backports solved that. With the > latest > command, this sequence works exactly as expected and > documented: > The latest Intrepid version does seem to have a newer version of clamav than you show above. > mkdir -p avtest > for i in a b c d; > do > dd if=/dev/urandom count=1 bs=68 of=avtest/$i > done > Sorry, don't do scripting; don't understand it. > clamscan -i -r avtest > wget https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com -O avtest/c > clamscan -i -r avtest > > It prints: > > avtest/c: Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND > > Of course, there are other clamav options you can use, but > this one is > simple and in line with what you want. > My options, above to answer your question, only contained an additional -v(verbose option) and the only output I had was that so many(a number) of viruses were found. It did not give any description of what the viruses were and no mention if it was a test pattern, or test signature. It did so in the past, IIRC, but not now. Nor does it tell me where the viruses are located. It did so in the past on earlier distributions as I recall. And this is the info I would like to know how to get now. Thanks for any info on this and I expect it would answer the OP questions also. BTW, clamav reports that version 0.95 is available but not in Intrepid/backports. Went to the listed faq url page and found nothing but source code and unapproved deb files for Ubuntu. What should a Ubuntu user do if he can't compile(and doesn't want to learn how at his old age) to get the latest version of clamav. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sun Mar 29 17:00:15 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot Message-ID: Hello, Can Ubiquity handle /boot being on a different partition than / ? I have 3 hard disks, 2 of 120GiB and one of 200 GiB. The first partition on each disk is 1 GiB, the rest is LVM. It is my intention to configure RAID1 for sda1+sdb1+sdc1, but not now. Now I only want to install /boot on sda1. When I try that, Ubiquity gives the following error and sends me back to the partitioner: "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in (yadda yadda yadda) at /boot failed" This is the partition info that you'll probably want to know: root at ubuntu:~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xbb6dbb6d Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 131 1052226 83 Linux /dev/sda2 132 24321 194306175 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00055ab5 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000b526b Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdc2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM root at ubuntu:~# lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert gentoo32 system -wi-a- 20,00G home system -wi-a- 100,00G root system -wi-a- 50,00G swap system -wi-ao 6,00G ubuntu64 system -wi-a- 20,00G From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 29 17:07:47 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:07:47 -0600 Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090329110747.68d8c299@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:00:15 +0200 (CEST) "Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)" wrote: > Hello, > > Can Ubiquity handle /boot being on a different partition than / ? > > I have 3 hard disks, 2 of 120GiB and one of 200 GiB. > The first partition on each disk is 1 GiB, the rest is LVM. > It is my intention to configure RAID1 for sda1+sdb1+sdc1, but not > now. Now I only want to install /boot on sda1. When I try that, > Ubiquity gives the following error and sends me back to the > partitioner: > > "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in (yadda yadda > yadda) at /boot failed" > > > This is the partition info that you'll probably want to know: > > root at ubuntu:~# fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0xbb6dbb6d > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 1 131 1052226 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 132 24321 194306175 8e Linux LVM > > Disk /dev/sdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00055ab5 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM > > Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x000b526b > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdc2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM > > > root at ubuntu:~# lvs > LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert > gentoo32 system -wi-a- 20,00G > home system -wi-a- 100,00G > root system -wi-a- 50,00G > swap system -wi-ao 6,00G > ubuntu64 system -wi-a- 20,00G > Which image is this? I believe what you want to do is possible with the alternate install cd. The desktop-cd has issues with a separate /boot partition, I think. You report a bug on this, since it should be possible and you have all the information. Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From manuc.lists at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 17:06:15 2009 From: manuc.lists at gmail.com (Manuel Carrasco) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:06:15 +0200 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM Message-ID: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco Muchas gracias por ayudarme. From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Sun Mar 29 17:30:48 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:30:48 +0300 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: <49CFB048.2060300@lab.vectoris.fr> Manuel Carrasco wrote: > Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > memoria ram (64 -128), I tried Xubuntu on a Celeron 256Mo, it is... the very minimum bearable. If you can use a computer without X (command line only), it's OK. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby Telephone: +261 33 11 207 36 From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Sun Mar 29 17:38:36 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbnogV2FsZG3DvGxsZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:38:36 +0200 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: <49CFB21C.20503@gmx.at> Manuel Carrasco schrieb: > Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una > placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. > Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? > Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es > un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower > ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco > > Muchas gracias por ayudarme. > > Hi Manuel, -) As far as I am informed the language used on this list is English. -) Try to avoid to post your question to debian-user-spanish and to ubuntu-users list. search for damn small linux or puppy linux If you want to use debian, use the icewm or fluxbox window manager. This are quite responsive on a low spec machine. A friend of mine uses puppy linux on a laptop with 64MB RAM. As you send your request to two lists I hope that you will post the answer to both lists. Thanks Franz From mihai at duras.ro Sun Mar 29 17:41:55 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:41:55 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> >> Hello guys, >> >> >> I've just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on my desktop PC at home, being >> used to it so far only on servers and working just with the console. >> So far, I'm having 2 problems and after reading and google-ing a >> bit I decided to also ask here in hopes of finding better >> workarounds. Currently there are 2 bugs which I've seen and people >> have already reported: >> - NetworkManager won't save any static IP setting >> - Sound Control Applet won't save my unchecked box Analog/Digital >> Output for my Audigy Card >> (My speakers are connected via Analog..so no matter what I do, >> after each restart the checkbox appears again in its initial state >> and I have no sound..which is frustrating). >> >> So, questions: >> 1. For Network Manager is there any more decent way for adding a >> static IP, rather then using a script in /etc/rc.local with >> ifconfig and route ? >> 2. For the Sound problem how may I get it to work without opening >> each time the volume control (or alsamixer ncurses interface via >> console) and unchecking the Analog/Digital checkbox ? >> >> > > I'm no expert. I don't have any answers for your sound problems. > However, all my network problems with 8.10 ended when I installed > WICD, which removed Network Manager. Using WICD I can connect to my > static IP network (wired & unwired) or I can connect to someone > else's dynamic IP network. > > Well to answer both messages here: @Thorny: My home setup includes a static IP from the provider but I also have a wifi usb stick in my home PC. What good would in this case be to only be able to do roaming with the Network Manager. (when it has in it an option to add a static ip instead of DHCP for a network card..and I have 2 onboard). I was able to make a workaround against this bug (I found it reported already) by doing ifconfig / route add default gw in a script and/or killing NetManager, but it's not the civilized way to go. @Raquel: I'm now giving WICD a try. From the screenshots I saw on the net it looks interesting and seems to be the workaround I'm looking for. Thank you very much for your help. Now what's left is the sound problem. Here I can make a script to trigger the analog switch (instead of the default digital that the applet doesn't want to save) by calling alsamixer. Is there a better way than what I'm thinking, until it gets officially fixed ? From ross_s at cmc.net Sun Mar 29 17:55:33 2009 From: ross_s at cmc.net (Ross Schoenauer) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:55:33 -0700 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace Message-ID: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. Thanks for the help From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 17:58:31 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:58:31 +0300 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> References: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903291058k463ccd7cx407fe12460a959f2@mail.gmail.com> > Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. > Google it. It has been mentioned many times recently. The skill to google will save you more time than just giving you the anser would. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From pegngary at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 18:03:53 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:03:53 -0600 Subject: upgrade to Intrepid In-Reply-To: <20090328123732.5b5a8855@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <359a3c580903280930r305795d0m5dfc7c7d81793dea@mail.gmail.com> <20090328123732.5b5a8855@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Charlie Kravetz < cjk at teamcharliesangels.com> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:30:45 -0700 > David Fox wrote: > > > 2009/3/28 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > > I had a Hardy install CD so I installed using that version. > > > However I can not connect to the internet wirelessly using the > > > Broadcom and there is no > > > > You might be able to upgrade using the cdrom - but it seems it has to > > be the alternate CD rather than the Desktop one. I did an > > update-manager on my laptop after inserting the Desktop CD for 9.04 > > (it was running 8.10) and it didn't even touch the CD. > > > > Instructions are here, under the Subhead Installing from the Alternate > > CD or DVD. > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > > > > > gary > > > > > > Yes, you can install in the same partition, which will effectively > replace Hardy > > Good luck, > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > So to make sure I am doing this right, the installation process will take you to the point of partitioning the disk. Then you can direct the installation onto the parttiion where hardy was installed. How do I identify that partition? I think once you get to that point you can't stop, if I recall correctly from the one other time I've done this. Thanks! Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did an > > update-manager on my laptop after inserting the Desktop CD for 9.04 > > (it was running 8.10) and it didn't even touch the CD. > > > > Instructions are here, under the Subhead Installing from the Alternate > > CD or DVD. > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > > > > > gary > > > > > > Yes, you can install in the same partition, which will effectively > replace Hardy > > Good luck, > ignore my last question, I think I have the answer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdarmendariz at gmx.com Sun Mar 29 18:41:51 2009 From: jdarmendariz at gmx.com (Jonathan D. Armendariz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:41:51 -0700 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> References: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> Message-ID: <49CFC0EF.6080103@gmx.com> Ross Schoenauer wrote: > Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. This might be of interest. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1062103.html -- The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Sun Mar 29 19:14:36 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:14:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot Message-ID: <4b2c43f96fe2ffacfd77b1933ff1bb3b.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sun, March 29, 2009 19:07, Charlie Kravetz wrote: *snip* > Which image is this? I believe what you want to do is possible with the > alternate install cd. The desktop-cd has issues with a separate /boot > partition, I think. This is with the 64bit desktop cd for 8.10. I also tried with the 9.04 beta, but that image doesn't have network, which is a problem because then I cannot install LVM. (I need to do aptitude install lvm2) > You report a bug on this, since it should be possible and you have all > the information. Perhaps. First I'll try to install without a separate /boot, and then manually install the correct bootloader via chroot. > Good luck, Thank you. I need a lot of it. -- Amedee From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 19:13:52 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:13:52 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> Ok, I can see that there's one detail that I didn't specifically say here. I thought it was obvious, so I didn't mention it. I think it wasn't obvious to some of you. I'm not having trouble with clamav telling me what FILE a virus is in. The report is clear on that. The problem is that the IMAP INBOX file is a formatted file containing many email messages. What I'm looking for is some sort of ability to introspect into the mailbox format in the clamav report so that I can tell which email message contains the virus. I certainly am not going to run clamav in "auto-remove" mode, as it would remove my entire inbox. David M. Karr wrote: > If I have clamav running an automated scan each night, and it finds a > virus in my IMAP inbox, what good does that do me? I have 156 > messages in my Inbox currently, and no way to know which one has the > virus (although it's pretty likely it was one of the messages I've > received in the last 24 hours). It seems like it would be useful for > clamav to have some sort of integration/knowledge with the mail > system, so it can provide better information about which email message > has a virus. Is there any practical way to do this? Has this ever > been considered? From cr33dog at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 19:25:25 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:25:25 -0500 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM, David M. Karr wrote: > Ok, I can see that there's one detail that I didn't specifically say > here.  I thought it was obvious, so I didn't mention it. I think it > wasn't obvious to some of you. > > I'm not having trouble with clamav telling me what FILE a virus is in. > The report is clear on that.  The problem is that the IMAP INBOX file is > a formatted file containing many email messages.  What I'm looking for > is some sort of ability to introspect into the mailbox format in the > clamav report so that I can tell which email message contains the > virus.  I certainly am not going to run clamav in "auto-remove" mode, as > it would remove my entire inbox. Well, when I use IMAP, I have it deliver in maildir format - which would help you in this case. But I also set up the IMAP server (dovecot) to route all inbound messages through clamscan (via procmail), and if a virus was found reroute the message to a "Virus" folder, tag it, and edit the subject - which would catch the message before you could ever view it. Of course, it sounds like you may not have control over either of those things? you haven't exactly given a whole lot of specifics regarding your mail setup :) Chris From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 19:43:49 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:43:49 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/29/2009 09:25 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: >> > Thanks, Matthew, for the help: > > clamscan -V > ClamAV 0.94.2/9178/Sat Mar 28 21:52:31 2009 > > sudo clamscan -vir / > [sudo] password for lchata: > > Have looked at the man page, not the manual url(note to myself to do so). Am running intrepid up-to-date. > Output of above scan: > ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- > Known viruses: 537600 > Engine version: 0.94.2 > Scanned directories: 43409 > Scanned files: 191168 > Infected files: 5 > Data scanned: 6197.88 MB > Time: 1125.166 sec (18 m 45 s) This doesn't answer your queston, but if you are only using clamav to do occasional on-demand scans, then I'd recommend that you install clamtk which is a graphical front-end for ClamAV. It's in the Universe repository. You'll need to run it in sudo mode in order to get updates, so make sure that the menu command is: 'gksu /usr/bin/clamtk'. Also, for similar (on-demand scans) I've found that BitDefender not only provides a faster scan engine, but also found trojan in an old email that I'd archived that clamav did not (both were fully up to date). You can install using a repository from here: http://download.bitdefender.com/repos/# (includes 64bit version) More info is here: http://www.bitdefender.com/media/html/en/unicesportal/ http://unices.bitdefender.com/ Documentation shows how to use from the CLI, set up for cron jobs, scan Evolution, Pine, etc. http://www.bitdefender.com/site/Downloads/browseDocumentation/2/ download the 'BitDefender Antivirus Scanner for Unices User Guide'. From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 29 19:53:57 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:53:57 -0400 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <49CFC0EF.6080103@gmx.com> References: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> <49CFC0EF.6080103@gmx.com> Message-ID: <49CFD1D5.2020900@roadrunner.com> Jonathan D. Armendariz wrote: > Ross Schoenauer wrote: >> Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. > > This might be of interest. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1062103.html > as well as this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace i remember reading serious debate on this issue a while back on the dev list. still think it should be enabled by default. really now..... how do you press 3 keys at the same time by accident? sometimes i think things are becoming too orwellian now, at least there leaving the option to turn it back on. steve From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 29 19:56:43 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:56:43 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: References: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/29/2009 12:43 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 03/29/2009 09:25 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > >>> >> Thanks, Matthew, for the help: >> >> clamscan -V >> ClamAV 0.94.2/9178/Sat Mar 28 21:52:31 2009 >> >> sudo clamscan -vir / >> [sudo] password for lchata: >> >> Have looked at the man page, not the manual url(note to myself to do so). Am running intrepid up-to-date. >> Output of above scan: >> ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- >> Known viruses: 537600 >> Engine version: 0.94.2 >> Scanned directories: 43409 >> Scanned files: 191168 >> Infected files: 5 >> Data scanned: 6197.88 MB >> Time: 1125.166 sec (18 m 45 s) > > This doesn't answer your queston, but if you are only using clamav to do > occasional on-demand scans, then I'd recommend that you install clamtk > which is a graphical front-end for ClamAV. It's in the Universe > repository. You'll need to run it in sudo mode in order to get updates, > so make sure that the menu command is: 'gksu /usr/bin/clamtk'. Answer to your question is: sudo clamscan -i / The problem with adding the 'v' is that it lists all files scanned & the infected file(s) get lost among them unless you ouput to a log file & then review. From ross_s at cmc.net Sun Mar 29 19:59:59 2009 From: ross_s at cmc.net (Ross Schoenauer) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:59:59 -0700 Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 329 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CFD33F.2070302@cmc.net> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > 6. Re: ctr-alt-backspace (Dotan Cohen) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. > > > > Google it. It has been mentioned many times recently. The skill to > google will save you more time than just giving you the anser would. > I googled for over an hour and found nothing that worked. I always google before contacting the lists. Ross From davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 20:33:01 2009 From: davidmichaelkarr at gmail.com (David M. Karr) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:33:01 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CFDAFD.1030703@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 22:13:53 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:13:53 -0300 Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 329 In-Reply-To: <49CFD33F.2070302@cmc.net> References: <49CFD33F.2070302@cmc.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Ross Schoenauer wrote: > ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >>  6. Re: ctr-alt-backspace (Dotan Cohen) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. >> > >> >> Google it. It has been mentioned many times recently. The skill to >> google will save you more time than just giving you the anser would. >> > > I googled for over an hour and found nothing  that worked.  I always > google before contacting the lists. > > Ross > Look for the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/177577.html and please do not reply to "Digest" emails. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Mar 29 22:58:26 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:58:26 -0600 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> References: <49CFB615.1090504@cmc.net> Message-ID: <20090329165826.138d4776@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:55:33 -0700 Ross Schoenauer wrote: > Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. > > Thanks for the help > If you are using 9.04, you really should have read the release notes first. It tells how to do that, among other issues. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From iamybj at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 00:28:00 2009 From: iamybj at gmail.com (deepblue) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:28:00 +0800 Subject: How to uninstall all asian fonts ??? Message-ID: <49D01210.6050905@gmail.com> I installed ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS. but I am a Chinese user, and my system's language is English. I do not like the Asian fonts default installed in ubuntu, and I copied my Chinese windows xp's fonts to /usr/local/share/fonts/winfonts/. But I found the system did not work as my opinion. Chinese fonts appear ugly, and render diffrent fonts enven in one sentence!!! Ubuntu which defualt install some asian fonts even if you selecet English language does not like other linux edition which do not hava any asian fonts if you select English language! The reason I select English language is not to use the default open asian fonts, but I cannot get that result in ubuntu. Why ? I think then ubuntu team has already do what out of their fault! I have already remove all asian fonts using synapitic package manager , but it sitll can render ugly Chinese fonts ! so , please tell me how to remove all asian fonts default installed it ? From weixuanli at hotmail.com Mon Mar 30 01:49:17 2009 From: weixuanli at hotmail.com (Weixuan Li) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:49:17 +0000 Subject: Ordering the 64-bit version Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi all, On the Ubuntu website, you can order a CD of Ubuntu 8.10. How do I tell them to send me the 64-bit version? Cheers, Weixuan _________________________________________________________________ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property help. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 02:02:57 2009 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:02:57 -0400 Subject: Ordering the 64-bit version Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2759cf860903291902i85190c1na155516cb430d495@mail.gmail.com> look for amd64 2009/3/29 Weixuan Li : > Hi all, > On the Ubuntu website, you can order a CD of Ubuntu 8.10. How do I tell them > to send me the 64-bit version? > Cheers, > Weixuan > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Let ninemsn property help. Need a new place to rent, share or buy? > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 02:12:37 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <898947.16412.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, NoOp wrote: > From: NoOp > Subject: Re: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 2:43 PM > On 03/29/2009 09:25 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > >> > > Thanks, Matthew, for the help: > > > > clamscan -V > > ClamAV 0.94.2/9178/Sat Mar 28 21:52:31 2009 > > > > sudo clamscan -vir / > > [sudo] password for lchata: > > > > Have looked at the man page, not the manual url(note > to myself to do so). Am running intrepid up-to-date. > > Output of above scan: > > ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- > > Known viruses: 537600 > > Engine version: 0.94.2 > > Scanned directories: 43409 > > Scanned files: 191168 > > Infected files: 5 > > Data scanned: 6197.88 MB > > Time: 1125.166 sec (18 m 45 s) > > This doesn't answer your queston, but if you are only > using clamav to do > occasional on-demand scans, then I'd recommend that you > install clamtk > which is a graphical front-end for ClamAV. It's in the > Universe > repository. You'll need to run it in sudo mode in order > to get updates, > so make sure that the menu command is: 'gksu > /usr/bin/clamtk'. > Yep, I've tried it and it sucks. Wont update virus definition files or scan / recursively and locks up and quits going back to the CLI cursor. I tried this right after I first answered Matthew's questions early this afternoon, my time. I have no probs running clamav CLI, just getting the standard output to give some useful info. > Also, for similar (on-demand scans) I've found that > BitDefender not only > provides a faster scan engine, but also found trojan in an > old email > that I'd archived that clamav did not (both were fully > up to date). > > You can install using a repository from here: > http://download.bitdefender.com/repos/# > (includes 64bit version) > More info is here: > http://www.bitdefender.com/media/html/en/unicesportal/ > http://unices.bitdefender.com/ > I'll give bitdefebder a shot when I can add the repos. Good to have a 64 bit version. > Documentation shows how to use from the CLI, set up for > cron jobs, scan > Evolution, Pine, etc. > > > http://www.bitdefender.com/site/Downloads/browseDocumentation/2/ > download the 'BitDefender Antivirus Scanner for Unices > User Guide'. > A lot of reading to do first-:)) Just wondering why clamav, which I like and have used much, no longer gives any info on the found viruses names and their location as it once did. Yep, even used --stdoutput option. > > Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From jdarmendariz at gmx.com Mon Mar 30 02:19:45 2009 From: jdarmendariz at gmx.com (Jonathan D. Armendariz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:19:45 -0700 Subject: Ordering the 64-bit version Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D02C41.2090906@gmx.com> Weixuan Li wrote: > Hi all, > On the Ubuntu website, you can order a CD of Ubuntu 8.10. How do I tell > them to send me the 64-bit version? http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=381 It has the 32 and 64 bit versions on one DVD. You may wish to look into this option. -- The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche From lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl Mon Mar 30 02:50:13 2009 From: lluengo at dgeo.udec.cl (Lorenzo Luengo) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:50:13 -0400 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: <49D03365.4060309@dgeo.udec.cl> Manuel Carrasco escribió: > Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una > placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. > Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? > Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es > un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower > ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco > > Muchas gracias por ayudarme. > Bueno Manuel, una vez instalé ubuntu en un equipo antiguo, me parece que era un Pentium 3 de 400 con 128 de ram. Lo hice con el cd de xubuntu-8.10-alternate, y dentro de las opciones usé la opción de un sistema básico de consola. Sobre eso instalé un escritorio básico con fluxbox. Funcionaba aceptablemente al utilizar firefox. Openoffice demoraba un poco al cargar, pero una vez cargado funcionaba fluidamente. -- Lorenzo Luengo Contreras Administrador de Sistemas DGEO Universidad de Concepción Concepción - Chile +56-41-2207277 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 03:57:56 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:57:56 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma In-Reply-To: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: On 03/29/2009 05:55 AM, allen meyers wrote: > I have no problem creating live CD'S and depending on the OS being > installed or the presence of other OS where to put grub and how to > answer the MBR question is elusive as all get out to me at least. > I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in gpated > and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given > partition. > Could someone point me to an explanation > These are worth a read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 05:04:24 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes Message-ID: <432436.8611.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, NoOp wrote: > On 03/29/2009 12:43 PM, NoOp wrote: > > On 03/29/2009 09:25 AM, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > >>> snippity, snip- > > Answer to your question is: > > sudo clamscan -i / > > The problem with adding the 'v' is that it lists > all files scanned & the > infected file(s) get lost among them unless you ouput to a > log file & > then review. Sory NoOp, but it didn't. Here is the output from the command intoto: sudo clamscan -i / [sudo] password for lchata: LibClamAV Warning: *********************************************************** LibClamAV Warning: *** This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated. *** LibClamAV Warning: *** DON'T PANIC! Read http://www.clamav.net/support/faq *** LibClamAV Warning: *********************************************************** ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- Known viruses: 537601 Engine version: 0.94.2 Scanned directories: 1 Scanned files: 0 Infected files: 0 Data scanned: 0.00 MB Time: 2.829 sec (0 m 2 s) lchata at ubuntu-intrepid-64bit:/var/log/clamav$ I also scanned through the cli output of the -v option and never was there a virus or test file found only scanning on every line. As you can see, it didn't even scan the entire / dir, much less recursively. Need that -r option even if not -v-:) sudo clamscan -ir / worked after I got over my windose habits and realized that I needed to wait for the scan to complete before I got any output. It did find 7 files, all ClamAV-Test-File(4) & Eicar-Test-Signature(3 files) but with so much cruft warning and error output, I had to scroll back 4 or 5 screen pages to find the virus test file data. What a pain; the developers sure screwed up on this one, IMO. Here is some of the repeating output: WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/drvctl LibClamAV Error: cli_readn: read error: Invalid argument WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/virtual/net/pan0/bridge/flush WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fbcon/rotate_all LibClamAV Error: cli_readn: read error: Input/output error WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/host0/scsi_host/host0/scan WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/rescan WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/delete WARNING: Can't open file /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/host1/scsi_host/host1/scan LibClamAV Error: cli_readn: read error: Input/output error Just a few examples plus the scan summary: ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- Known viruses: 537601 Engine version: 0.94.2 Scanned directories: 43372 Scanned files: 190880 Infected files: 7 Data scanned: 6112.49 MB Time: 949.306 sec (15 m 49 s) Ohhh, almost forgot to say thanks! Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 30 05:41:13 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:41:13 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D05B79.7030706@gatech.edu> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > Sorry, don't do scripting; don't understand it. All it does is create four random files with the same size as EICAR. You can cut and paste it into bash. >> clamscan -i -r avtest wget https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com -O >> avtest/c clamscan -i -r avtest >> >> It prints: >> >> avtest/c: Eicar-Test-Signature FOUND >> >> Of course, there are other clamav options you can use, but this one >> is simple and in line with what you want. >> > My options, above to answer your question, only contained an > additional -v(verbose option) and the only output I had was that so > many(a number) of viruses were found. Using -v, I still see the virus printed out. The overall command then is: clamscan -vir avtest In this case, the virus found is Eicar-Test-Signature, but I would expect the same form of output for a real virus. > BTW, clamav reports that version 0.95 is available but not in > Intrepid/backports. Went to the listed faq url page and found nothing > but source code and unapproved deb files for Ubuntu. What should a > Ubuntu user do if he can't compile(and doesn't want to learn how at > his old age) to get the latest version of clamav. File a bug (if you're sure there is one), and wait for it to make into the main repo. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. I see no sign of this bug in the version in hardy backports. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 30 05:50:18 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:50:18 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: References: <690879.15431.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D05D9A.3030409@gatech.edu> NoOp wrote: > Answer to your question is: > > sudo clamscan -i / > > The problem with adding the 'v' is that it lists all files scanned & the > infected file(s) get lost among them unless you ouput to a log file & > then review. He said clamscan "doesn't say what or where they are located". Regardless of whether -v is added, that's not true for me. With -v it reports on every file, without it only reports on the infected. In either case, infected files are listed. But without -r , it won't search recursively, which doesn't make much sense for searching /. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 30 05:52:24 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:52:24 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CFDAFD.1030703@gmail.com> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> <49CFDAFD.1030703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D05E18.5060605@gatech.edu> David M. Karr wrote: > I'm using Gmail, so I don't think I have any control over that. Now that I > think about it, I thought Gmail was supposed to virus scan incoming messages? I > think I'll check on that. Yes, of course (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=25760). That's not to say you shouldn't add your own scanning on top. It's your call. Matt Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 30 07:20:17 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:20:17 -0400 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <432436.8611.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <432436.8611.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D072B1.3000406@gatech.edu> Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > I also scanned through the cli output of the -v option and never was > there a virus or test file found only scanning on every line. > As you can see, it didn't even scan the entire / dir, much less > recursively. Need that -r option even if not -v-: Yes, of course. > sudo clamscan -ir / worked after I got over my windose habits and > realized that I needed to wait for the scan to complete before I got > any output. It did find 7 files, all ClamAV-Test-File(4) & > Eicar-Test-Signature(3 files) but with so much cruft warning and > error output, I had to scroll back 4 or 5 screen pages to find the > virus test file data. What a pain; the developers sure screwed up on > this one, IMO. No, they didn't. You scanned the entire /. Of course there are going to be errors. It would be smarter not to scan /sys, /dev, etc. If, however, you choose to scan them, expect errors. Matt Flaschen From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 07:38:02 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49D072B1.3000406@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <329796.44644.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > From: Matthew Flaschen > Subject: Re: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:20 AM > Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > > I also scanned through the cli output of the -v option > and never was > > there a virus or test file found only scanning > on every line. > > As you can see, it didn't even scan the entire / > dir, much less > > recursively. Need that -r option even if not -v-: > > Yes, of course. > > > sudo clamscan -ir / worked after I got over my > windose habits and > > realized that I needed to wait for the scan to > complete before I got > > any output. It did find 7 files, all > ClamAV-Test-File(4) & > > Eicar-Test-Signature(3 files) but with so much cruft > warning and > > error output, I had to scroll back 4 or 5 screen pages > to find the > > virus test file data. What a pain; the developers sure > screwed up on > > this one, IMO. > > No, they didn't. You scanned the entire /. Of course > there are going to > be errors. It would be smarter not to scan /sys, /dev, > etc. If, > however, you choose to scan them, expect errors. > Thanks for the refresher on what not to scan. Was about to go search the archives for that oft reported info. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 09:15:00 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, March 29, 2009 19:00, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > Hello, > > > Can Ubiquity handle /boot being on a different partition than / ? > > > I have 3 hard disks, 2 of 120GiB and one of 200 GiB. > The first partition on each disk is 1 GiB, the rest is LVM. > It is my intention to configure RAID1 for sda1+sdb1+sdc1, but not now. Now > I only want to install /boot on sda1. When I try that, Ubiquity gives > the following error and sends me back to the partitioner: > > "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in (yadda yadda yadda) > at /boot failed" > > > This is the partition info that you'll probably want to know: > > > root at ubuntu:~# fdisk -l > > > Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0xbb6dbb6d > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 1 131 1052226 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 132 24321 194306175 8e Linux LVM > > > Disk /dev/sdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00055ab5 > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM > > > Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x000b526b > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdc2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM > > > > root at ubuntu:~# lvs > LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert > gentoo32 system -wi-a- 20,00G home system -wi-a- 100,00G root > system -wi-a- 50,00G swap system -wi-ao 6,00G ubuntu64 system -wi-a- > 20,00G > I was able to do a completely manual installation of grub on /dev/sda1 (/boot). It took me a couple of hours to figure out that this is (hd0,0) for the livecd, but it's actually (hd2,0) when I'm booting into grub. I needed the Super Grub Disk to find that out. Still struggling with a few other issues. I'll google first and if needed, I'll start a new thread on the list. For me this case is closed. No need to file a bug report, because I was doing something non-standard anyway. -- Amedee From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 09:55:05 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:55:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, March 30, 2009 11:15, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: *snip* > I was able to do a completely manual installation of grub on /dev/sda1 > (/boot). It took me a couple of hours to figure out that this is (hd0,0) > for the livecd, but it's actually (hd2,0) when I'm booting into grub. I > needed the Super Grub Disk to find that out. Not only was (hd0,0) actually (hd2,0), what I thought was /dev/sda1 (and mounted as such in /etc/fstab) was actually /dev/sdc1. Result: only the kernel that was installed with the livecd worked correctly with LVM, the others didn't. I still have to tackle an nvidia issue, but I'm pretty sure that it's related to mounting the wrong /boot. I'm going to reinstall all kernels and related modules & packages. -- Amedee From fluca1978 at infinito.it Mon Mar 30 10:02:04 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:02:04 +0200 Subject: wifi and cdwriter problems Message-ID: <200903301202.04884.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi all, I'm using 8.04 (k)ubuntu on a compaq nc8430 laptop and I'm noting strange issues: 1) the wifi card is not working if disabled at boot time. The bluetooth (that starts with the wifi switch) works, but if I turn on the wifi card after the boot programs like knetworkmanager cannot see the card. 2) the cdwriter often is not available, and k3b claims about that. After a reboot the cdwriter is agai available, and after another reboot it is no more available and so on. What can I do to solve this problems? Thanks, Luca From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:19:36 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:19:36 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> <1238342933.3319.24.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: [...] > > So are we saying here that 2 different OS on 2 different drives can both > show the boot ID and be able to have a successful dual boot? Because > when I receive error 21 (cannot boot)and there is a boot ID on 2 > different OS removing one allows me to dual boot > > Allen, I would have to know the details of the exact situation to answer further about what happened in your case. But as an example, the system I'm typing this on currently has 3 physical hard drives with a total of 17 logical partitions, 2 of those physical drives have one of their partitions marked with the boot flag the other drive has only logical partitions. It is a multi-boot system and it works. From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:29:10 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:29:10 +0200 Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/29 Thorny > > >[...] > > > > Before everyone goes off on me, I'll explain. > >[...] > > I didn't see any indication that anyone was going off on you Bill. > > Often people ask questions but don't provide much information to go on and > it's necessary to ask questions to try and figure out what the poster is > actually asking. Not saying that this is necessarily true of you but often > people ask for a specific solution but there is a simpler solution once > it's determined exactly what problem they are trying to correct. > > I know I had some questions in my mind as I read your post. > > Now that you have explained a little more, I still do. > > Are you saying that all of the reclaimed boxes you work with take 60 > seconds to shutdown? ...or is there some significant variation in time? > > I don't understand the people's objection to clicking more than once, I > don't know from where they get their experience, you can't shut a Windows > box down without clicking more than once. That is, unless you use the > power switch and is isn't recommend there any more than it is here. > > As to time, well, in order for a system to do an orderly shutdown, > applications have to close, files have to be closed, partitions have to be > unmounted. If you think about it, the slower the system processor and, to > an extent, the less RAM, the slower the system is able to go through the > steps. > > Derek mentioned one aspect. In order to help us to help you it might be a > good idea for you to furnish us some more data to work with. My question > about if it is for all the boxes might be relevant. If you have a > particular box that you are working on now, give us some more details of > processor speed, RAM and, as Johnny mentioned, what is running when you > try to shut it down? (Even though Johnny posted with HTML and that is to > be avoided according to Ubuntu Mailing List Etiquette.) I am sorry, I didn't know that. I just write my email from the GMail website without doing anything special. Now I clicked "unformatted text". Is this better? The "unformatted text" link in GMail now changed to "RTF-format", so it seems like it isn't html after all, not according to GMail anyway... But again, I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a non html policy on this list. I guess there is something that I should jave read but didn't closely enough. J.R. > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:41:32 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:41:32 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> Message-ID: [...] > @Thorny: > My home setup includes a static IP from the provider but I also have a > wifi usb stick in my home PC. > What good would in this case be to only be able to do roaming with the > Network Manager. (when it has in it an option to add a static ip instead > of DHCP for a network card..and I have 2 onboard). I was able to make a > workaround against this bug (I found it reported already) by doing > ifconfig / route add default gw in a script and/or killing NetManager, > but it's not the civilized way to go. > [...] If you had given more information in the first place you could have received a better answer. The static IP you describe is on a WAN (not LAN) and it will always be on the same interface. You could have a proper stanza in your interfaces file for the WiFi stick which allows NetworkManager to receive IP from DHCP on your LAN (or other lans you visit). However, I'm old school, for me simple answer would be to un-install NetworkManager, and configure interfaces in the way that is necessary for the topology of the network involved. What is uncivilized about the way we have done things for years? I'm surprised that you didn't find the WICD answer in you previous search, it a frequently asked question and proposed solution here for people who require automagic. From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 06:51:32 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:51:32 -0500 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma In-Reply-To: References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <1238395892.3144.7.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> I want to thank everyone for the great responses and as a result I know a great deal more then I did before. I now have a trouble free triple boot machine w/o windows and good to go that is until my next learnung curve. at 77 one needs support and tenacity Thanks everyone Allen On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 20:57 -0700, NoOp wrote: > On 03/29/2009 05:55 AM, allen meyers wrote: > > I have no problem creating live CD'S and depending on the OS being > > installed or the presence of other OS where to put grub and how to > > answer the MBR question is elusive as all get out to me at least. > > I more then likely end up not being able to boot until I put in gpated > > and remove what appears to be one too mant boot on flag on a given > > partition. > > Could someone point me to an explanation > > > > These are worth a read: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows > http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php > http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ > > > From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:58:58 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:58:58 -0700 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: [...] > But again, I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a non html policy on > this list. I guess there is something that I should jave read but didn't > closely enough. > No problem Johnny, none of us knows things until we learn them. You did very well. And, you're not alone, many people don't read the page with Ubuntu Mailing List Etiquette before they post. If you have trouble finding it ask and I or someone will provide a link. From mihai at duras.ro Mon Mar 30 11:08:08 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:08:08 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> Message-ID: <49D0A818.4050705@duras.ro> Thorny wrote: > [...] > >> @Thorny: >> My home setup includes a static IP from the provider but I also have a >> wifi usb stick in my home PC. >> What good would in this case be to only be able to do roaming with the >> Network Manager. (when it has in it an option to add a static ip instead >> of DHCP for a network card..and I have 2 onboard). I was able to make a >> workaround against this bug (I found it reported already) by doing >> ifconfig / route add default gw in a script and/or killing NetManager, >> but it's not the civilized way to go. >> >> > [...] > > If you had given more information in the first place you could have > received a better answer. > > The static IP you describe is on a WAN (not LAN) and it will always be on > the same interface. You could have a proper stanza in your interfaces file > for the WiFi stick which allows NetworkManager to receive IP from DHCP on > your LAN (or other lans you visit). > > However, I'm old school, for me simple answer would be to un-install > NetworkManager, and configure interfaces in the way that is necessary for > the topology of the network involved. What is uncivilized about the way we > have done things for years? > > I'm surprised that you didn't find the WICD answer in you previous search, > it a frequently asked question and proposed solution here for people who > require automagic. > > > > Sorry for the info part...being used to the info I had..I didn't consider the fact that you are new to it.. I'm used at work to configuring manually and using /etc/network/interfaces (or whatever the distribution in question provides, or even ifconfig made scripts) but I wanted some desktop use at home to feel comfortable with. Static IP is my internet connection and WAN. I didn't want to resort to manual setting of stuff because I want my desktop PC to be more flexible and automatic then my day to day work and "handy" solutions. But this is my personal choice, I'm too lazy to also do it/like it old school at home. I've switched to WICD and it seems to be more than ok for my needs luckily. (I did find it in some Ubuntu forum threads mentioned, but moreover I felt curious about fixing the existing NetworkManager, conservative view like). I also found an alternative solution with specifying another connection in NetworkManager, giving it the same mac address as the card for which it doesn't save the static IP. Then specifying the static IP for it...and voila..after reboot it works. For the sound problem I used a startup script with alsamixer and although it's not cosmetic, it's very functional. - Mihai From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 11:20:31 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:20:31 -0700 Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:55:05 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > On Mon, March 30, 2009 11:15, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > > *snip* > >> I was able to do a completely manual installation of grub on /dev/sda1 >> (/boot). It took me a couple of hours to figure out that this is >> (hd0,0) for the livecd, but it's actually (hd2,0) when I'm booting into >> grub. I needed the Super Grub Disk to find that out. > > Not only was (hd0,0) actually (hd2,0), what I thought was /dev/sda1 (and > mounted as such in /etc/fstab) was actually /dev/sdc1. Result: only the > kernel that was installed with the livecd worked correctly with LVM, the > others didn't. > >[...] Yes, isn't the way that drives are enumerated differently these days a joy? :-) Took me a while to get my head around that too. You might want to consider mounting by Label or UUID in your fstab rather than device node. Personally I prefer by Label because I can usually remember the Label I've given a partition easier than a long UUID string but both work. From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 11:56:45 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:56:45 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <1238395892.3144.7.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:51:32 -0500, allen meyers posted: > I want to thank everyone for the great responses and as a result I know a > great deal more then I did before. I now have a trouble free triple boot > machine w/o windows and good to go that is until my next learnung curve. > at 77 one needs support and tenacity Thanks everyone Allen > Excellent! One thing further, please don't top post. You will probably want some links so: http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style It is commendable that you are mastering this stuff better than many people half your age, doing so will help to keep your mind vibrant. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 12:02:49 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:02:49 -0300 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <1416831.Dp1tBxnsEF@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > That active partition is a DOS/Windows thing from the old days and I don't > know if even Windows still cares about that. Someone who uses modern > Windows can jump in here with info about that. Maybe Derek, he probably > has to support Windows at the college or anyone who is reading and who > knows. I don't know which version of Windows stopped caring (at least XP), but no modern OS cares about that boot flag. -- derek From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:14:42 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:14:42 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <49D0A818.4050705@duras.ro> Message-ID: [...] > Sorry for the info part...being used to the info I had..I didn't > consider the fact that you are new to it.. > > What we have done here is illustrate to people who are reading this thread that a more detailed question can be given a better answer. That is a good example for us to set and helps the list to be more productive. I'm glad you found the answers you need. Note: NetworkManager can do exactly what you want on an install of the Debian stable release, Lenny, but I haven't looked into whether or not Debian maintainers changed anything. It is after all, something Debian adopted from downstream Ubuntu. It will be a while before I can see if I can make it work on my laptop with Ubuntu, but I will get around to trying it eventually, although I think Ubuntu may use WICD in future releases, I think I saw that written somewhere. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 12:04:51 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:04:51 -0300 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> <1238342933.3319.24.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <3200777.tjmLgvHBzZ@cedar.serverforest.com> allen meyers wrote: > So are we saying here that 2 different OS on 2 different drives can both > show the boot ID and be able to have a successful dual boot? Because > when I receive error 21 (cannot boot)and there is a boot ID on 2 > different OS removing one allows me to dual boot What's a "boot ID"? It's possible that having the boot flag on two partitions might not work, I've never tried it. otoh, not having the boot flag set on any partitions wouldn't prevent booting. -- derek From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:39:26 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:39:26 -0700 Subject: Grub MBR an enigma References: <1238331348.3180.72.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49CF9B6B.8090005@case.edu> <1238342933.3319.24.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <3200777.tjmLgvHBzZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: [...] > It's possible that having the boot flag on two partitions might not > work, I've never tried it. ... I don't think it's even possible to set the boot flag on two partitions on the same drive at the same time. It wasn't in the past. I know CFDisk complains that it couldn't write the new table if one tries. From signdog at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:51:21 2009 From: signdog at gmail.com (Gary Herbert) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:51:21 -0400 Subject: Did I upgrade to 9.04beta? In-Reply-To: <20090329072242.3fda1511@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <200903291249.01893.alain.muls@telenet.be> <20090329072242.3fda1511@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1826f5900903300551m3da6baf5pce11fe709cc26d34@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 09:22, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:49:01 +0200 > Alain Muls wrote: > > > Hi > > > > 9.04 beta is now a couple of days old and I did not see any new > > updates on my alpha6 system. Is this normal or should I do a manual > > operation to upgrade to the beta version? > > > > Tx/Alain > > > > > > I think do the manual updates, mine had 141 on Friday and 87 on > Saturday. > > Good luck, > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > - > I installed mine yesterday afternoon... I think 1025 files... I got no indicator this morning but just did a manual update and got 37 more... Gary H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:58:26 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:58:26 -0600 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <49D0C1F2.3060109@gmail.com> Raquel wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 > "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > > >> I have a HP laptop called a Presario CQ50. It comes with Vista >> installed and somehow the Windows turns on the WiFi hardware after >> it is turned on. When I turn the Vista off it now turns the >> hardware off. >> >> Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able to >> get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for about >> 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now it can't >> find WiFi either. >> >> There is a button next to the On-Off button that is red it >> seems when the WiFi hardware is off. It turns green when you have >> Vista running. But for 6 months or more 8.10 had WiFi with a red >> light. >> >> Any ideas from other Ubuntu users? The things I read are all >> about WiFi hardware that is not supported. >> >> >> Karl >> >> > > I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may not > work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I removed > Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a time getting the > wireless to work until I got rid of Network-Manager and installed > WICD. Now it works wonderfully! > > Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. It > will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. > > I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. > > First WIDC does not come with 9.04 but it is easy to get with apt-get wicd which I did on Jaunty. It did delete the network manager software almost in total. I went to the web page and did everything indicated and WDIC tried to work but it was not able to turn on the laptop WiFi hardware and it does not work. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Mon Mar 30 13:03:05 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:03:05 +0300 Subject: l7 filter in ubuntu Message-ID: <49D0C309.1060201@lab.vectoris.fr> Hi all, How to know if this: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols.en.php?sort=quality is in Ubuntu? -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 13:04:40 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot Message-ID: On Mon, March 30, 2009 13:20, Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:55:05 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > > >> On Mon, March 30, 2009 11:15, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: >> >> >> *snip* >> >> >>> I was able to do a completely manual installation of grub on >>> /dev/sda1 >>> (/boot). It took me a couple of hours to figure out that this is >>> (hd0,0) for the livecd, but it's actually (hd2,0) when I'm booting >>> into grub. I needed the Super Grub Disk to find that out. >> >> Not only was (hd0,0) actually (hd2,0), what I thought was /dev/sda1 >> (and >> mounted as such in /etc/fstab) was actually /dev/sdc1. Result: only the >> kernel that was installed with the livecd worked correctly with LVM, >> the others didn't. >> >> [...] >> > > Yes, isn't the way that drives are enumerated differently these days a > joy? :-) Took me a while to get my head around that too. > > You might want to consider mounting by Label or UUID in your fstab rather > than device node. Personally I prefer by Label because I can usually > remember the Label I've given a partition easier than a long UUID string > but both work. Labeling the drives is on my todo-list and normally I always do that, but this time I just needed the dmn box to work as fast as possible. Next time I won't cut the corners. :-) -- Amedee From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 12:26:20 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:26:20 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> Message-ID: <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> Mihai Tanasescu wrote: > @Thorny: > My home setup includes a static IP from the provider but I also have a > wifi usb stick in my home PC. > What good would in this case be to only be able to do roaming with the > Network Manager. (when it has in it an option to add a static ip instead > of DHCP for a network card..and I have 2 onboard). Ubuntu quite correctly makes the assumption that software that supports 95% of network use cases is probably better to distribute than more complicated software that would still fail in 1% of cases. Of course, that doesn't alter the fact that there _are_ still bugs in NetworkManager that should have been stomped years ago. I still don't understand how you have a problem. If your home setup has a static IP _and_ you're using Wifi at home, your computer should be using a dynamic IP from your router NOT the static IP. Your router should have that static IP, and if your own computer uses it as well you're - at the very least - asking for big problems. Put it this way, if your ISP has given you the address 5.4.3.2, and you plug your computer into a box on the wall , you use 5.4.3.2. Now, you plug your router into that box. The router _must_ be set to 5.4.3.2. Whether your computer plugs into the router, another slot in the wall-box, or accesses the router via wireless it MUST NOT use the same IP as the router. You'll be sending bits directly into a black hole. > I was able to make a workaround against this bug (I found it reported > already) by doing ifconfig / route add default gw in a script and/or > killing NetManager, but it's not the civilized way to go. In 95% of cases, if you need to "workaround" a bug, you have to consider whether there's really a bug or whether you're doing things the wrong way. > Now what's left is the sound problem. Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on topic without trying to handle two completely different problems at once. -- derek From manuc.lists at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:06:17 2009 From: manuc.lists at gmail.com (Manuel Carrasco) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:06:17 +0200 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: <1238418377.4973.6.camel@stvl> El dom, 29-03-2009 a las 14:09 -0400, Maximiliano Marin Bustos escribió: > 2009/3/29 Guillermo Iguaran : > > > > > > 2009/3/29 Manuel Carrasco > >> > >> Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > >> memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una > >> placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. > >> Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? > >> Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es > >> un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower > >> ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco > >> > >> Muchas gracias por ayudarme. > >> > > > > Te recomiendo intentar con Puppy Linux. Si puedes pillar un poco mas de RAM > > (192 - 256) podrias intentar con alguna distro que use como escritorio LXDE > > o XFCE. > > > > Sin tener ninguna aplicacion abierta el LXDE me consume cerca de 35MB de > > RAM, con pcman, abiword, gnumeric, midori, gpicview, lxtask consume cerca de > > 75MB de RAM > > > > Lee este articulo: http://linux.com/feature/128940 > > > > Saludos > > > > -- > > Colombia Underground Team - [foro.colombiaunderground.org] > > "Debian GNU/Linux is user friendly... It's just selective about who its > > friends are." > > Usuario #24172 de Linux - [counter.li.org] > > > > > > Puedes instalar debian minimo y luego ponerle algo como awsome, > fluxbox o icewm. Algo bien minimalista. > ¿Cómo uso icewm y fluxbox siendo que por defecto tengo gnome y X? Me refiero a de forma permanente. Saludos. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 12:31:51 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:31:51 -0300 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1517422.2C6W0ukbSF@cedar.serverforest.com> Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Now I clicked "unformatted text". Is this better? Yes. > > The "unformatted text" link in GMail now changed to "RTF-format", so > it seems like it isn't html after all, not according to GMail > anyway... >From the viewpoint of email, RTF = HTML. To send "RTF" it has to be wrapped in HTML. > > But again, I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a non html policy > on this list. It's pretty well standard for computer-related lists. -- derek From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:29:46 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:29:46 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: [...] >> Now what's left is the sound problem. > > Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on > topic without trying to handle two completely different problems at once. This is an oops Derek. You made a rookie mistake and that isn't like you, you are an experienced, knowledgable helper. It's recommended, and standard practise, to read all of a topic's threads before replying. If you had, you would know that all the OPs problems solved. I don't mean to be picking on you, you give good advice and there is good advice in this post of yours too. But this example is a way for lurkers to learn how to operate efficiently in the list. No offence meant. Perhaps we could have threaded better or marked "solved", but this list doesn't follow conventions for threads very well. From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 13:32:06 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> Message-ID: <3d0329a4d1120cecf08ec6bfc0e3f4fe.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sun, March 29, 2009 13:33, Thorny wrote: > I don't understand the people's objection to clicking more than once, I > don't know from where they get their experience, you can't shut a Windows > box down without clicking more than once. That is, unless you use the > power switch and is isn't recommend there any more than it is here. Actually, the power switch on modern computers doesn't switch it off immediately. It gives a signal to the operating system to shut down. I think this is done with ACPI, but I'm not an expert in this matter. Windows as well as Linux respond to this signal with a proper shutdown sequence. You can even configure that it doesn't shutdown, but goes to suspend or standby. Only when you press the power button longer than a couple of seconds, then you really cut the power like in the old days. All of this may of course be irrelevant for older computers that don't support ACPI. -- Amedee From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:33:57 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:33:57 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <49D0A818.4050705@duras.ro> Message-ID: [...] > ...although I think Ubuntu may use WICD in future releases, I > think I saw that written somewhere. I just saw another post where Karl says this isn't true. I can't confirm or deny. From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 13:40:57 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Shut down times In-Reply-To: <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, March 30, 2009 12:29, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: *snip* >> (Even though Johnny posted with HTML and that >> is to be avoided according to Ubuntu Mailing List Etiquette.) > > I am sorry, I didn't know that. I just write my email from the GMail > website without doing anything special. > > Now I clicked "unformatted text". Is this better? > > > The "unformatted text" link in GMail now changed to "RTF-format", so > it seems like it isn't html after all, not according to GMail anyway... > > But again, I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a non html policy > on this list. I guess there is something that I should jave read but didn't > closely enough. Johnny, No problem. It may be interesting to know that in the technical community (this mailing list is for tech support) plain text is usually preferred over formatted text. In every technical mailing list that I have been subscribed to in my (online) life, plain text was always the standard. I think my first subscription to a mailing list was in 1995, in the good old days of analog modems, when bandwidth mattered. So when I subscribe to a new mailing list, I never bother to read the Policy or Etiquette, I just assume that plain text will do. So far I have never received complaints. -- Amedee From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 09:44:39 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:44:39 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1238406279.3985.15.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 06:29 -0700, Thorny wrote: > [...] > >> Now what's left is the sound problem. > > > > Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on > > topic without trying to handle two completely different problems at once. > > This is an oops Derek. You made a rookie mistake and that isn't like you, > you are an experienced, knowledgable helper. It's recommended, and > standard practise, to read all of a topic's threads before replying. If > you had, you would know that all the OPs problems solved. > > I don't mean to be picking on you, you give good advice and there is good > advice in this post of yours too. But this example is a way for lurkers to > learn how to operate efficiently in the list. No offence meant. > > Perhaps we could have threaded better or marked "solved", but this list > doesn't follow conventions for threads very well Being a typical OP I guess rather reluctant to chime in here, but will anyway. If convention dicitates when a concern has been solved that OP closes the thread so to speak with a solved post then convention should as well dictate that the helpers acknowledge the solved and drop the thread. And Thorny it not just this list. It happens on others as well. The only list in my limited experience that does not continue to offer suggestions after a solved post is gparted and one wonders what makes them different. Allen > > From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:49:22 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:49:22 -0700 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <3d0329a4d1120cecf08ec6bfc0e3f4fe.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:32:06 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > On Sun, March 29, 2009 13:33, Thorny wrote: > >> I don't understand the people's objection to clicking more than once, I >> don't know from where they get their experience, you can't shut a >> Windows box down without clicking more than once. That is, unless you >> use the power switch and is isn't recommend there any more than it is >> here. > > Actually, the power switch on modern computers doesn't switch it off > immediately. It gives a signal to the operating system to shut down. I > think this is done with ACPI, but I'm not an expert in this matter. > Windows as well as Linux respond to this signal with a proper shutdown > sequence. You can even configure that it doesn't shutdown, but goes to > suspend or standby. > Only when you press the power button longer than a couple of seconds, then > you really cut the power like in the old days. > > All of this may of course be irrelevant for older computers that don't > support ACPI. As far as it goes you are correct, in the cases where the BIOS is configurable for the front power switch, although, some power supplies in desktop systems also have a switch on them that does indeed cut power to the mainboard for servicing. In addition many people plug into a power bar/spike shunt in which case power to the unit is killed. I did not word my response in precise enough terms, I almost worded it as pull the plug so I should have thought to be more precise. Mea culpa. At any rate, lurkers still have the opportunity to learn from our discussion, thanks for the good catch. From fluca1978 at infinito.it Mon Mar 30 13:52:44 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:52:44 +0200 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? Message-ID: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi all, I've got a machine that often, after a reboot, mixes the uuid of my sata disks, so that they are mounted in different position of where they should be. Anyone having similar problems? Thanks, Luca From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 13:52:38 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [OT] Gmail RTF/HTML (Was: Shut down times) In-Reply-To: <1517422.2C6W0ukbSF@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <8ad06bca0903300329o6e3dee4bud84e8e37a2e8993a@mail.gmail.com> <1517422.2C6W0ukbSF@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <241af2d4770527f8b049fcbf0827936e.squirrel@amedee.be> On Mon, March 30, 2009 14:31, Derek Broughton wrote: > Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > >> Now I clicked "unformatted text". Is this better? >> > > Yes. > >> >> The "unformatted text" link in GMail now changed to "RTF-format", so >> it seems like it isn't html after all, not according to GMail anyway... > > From the viewpoint of email, RTF = HTML. To send "RTF" it has to be > wrapped in HTML. Actually, RTF (or more precisely TNEF) is quite different from HTML. I suspect that Google does this for combatibility with MS Exchange/MS Outlook. That combination of MTA/MUA uses TNEF as its default message format. Only when email leaves the Exchange infrastructure (or the Gmail infrastructure), it is automagically converted from RTF (TNEF) to HTML. As the receipient, you see nothing of this conversion, except when the conversion fails and you receive winmail.dat attachments. Did I mention that I'm doing tier 2 messaging support at a large Indo-European steel company? I could tell lots of email horror stories... :-) -- Amedee From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:57:14 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:57:14 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> <1238406279.3985.15.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:44:39 -0500, allen meyers posted: > On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 06:29 -0700, Thorny wrote: >> [...] >> >> Now what's left is the sound problem. >> > >> > Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on >> > topic without trying to handle two completely different problems at >> > once. >> >> This is an oops Derek. You made a rookie mistake and that isn't like >> you, you are an experienced, knowledgable helper. It's recommended, and >> standard practise, to read all of a topic's threads before replying. If >> you had, you would know that all the OPs problems solved. >> >> I don't mean to be picking on you, you give good advice and there is >> good advice in this post of yours too. But this example is a way for >> lurkers to learn how to operate efficiently in the list. No offence >> meant. >> >> Perhaps we could have threaded better or marked "solved", but this list >> doesn't follow conventions for threads very well > > Being a typical OP I guess rather reluctant to chime in here, but will > anyway. If convention dicitates when a concern has been solved that OP > closes the thread so to speak with a solved post then convention should as > well dictate that the helpers acknowledge the solved and drop the thread. > And Thorny it not just this list. It happens on others as well. The only > list in my limited experience that does not continue to offer suggestions > after a solved post is gparted and one wonders what makes them different. > Allen >> >> >> No, the convention is to read all threads to a topic previously to replying. The marking solved is often used in forums and, somewhat rarely, in mailing lists. Convention, which ever convention, whatever convention, is/are mostly followed by experienced users in whichever list and is usually "enforced" (not a strong connotation of that word) by the community involved for efficient use of bandwidth and comprehension. From mihai at duras.ro Mon Mar 30 14:00:59 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:00:59 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49D0D09B.9060209@duras.ro> Derek Broughton wrote: > Mihai Tanasescu wrote: > > >> @Thorny: >> My home setup includes a static IP from the provider but I also have a >> wifi usb stick in my home PC. >> What good would in this case be to only be able to do roaming with the >> Network Manager. (when it has in it an option to add a static ip instead >> of DHCP for a network card..and I have 2 onboard). >> > > Ubuntu quite correctly makes the assumption that software that supports 95% > of network use cases is probably better to distribute than more complicated > software that would still fail in 1% of cases. Of course, that doesn't > alter the fact that there _are_ still bugs in NetworkManager that should > have been stomped years ago. > > I still don't understand how you have a problem. If your home setup has a > static IP _and_ you're using Wifi at home, your computer should be using a > dynamic IP from your router NOT the static IP. Your router should have > that static IP, and if your own computer uses it as well you're - at the > very least - asking for big problems. Put it this way, if your ISP has > given you the address 5.4.3.2, and you plug your computer into a box on the > wall , you use 5.4.3.2. Now, you plug your router into that box. The > router _must_ be set to 5.4.3.2. Whether your computer plugs into the > router, another slot in the wall-box, or accesses the router via wireless > it MUST NOT use the same IP as the router. You'll be sending bits directly > into a black hole. > Rephrasing what I had told. My normal connection is static IP from the ISP. I also have a wifi usb stick (which I use only when I'm left without any ISP connection) and with which I can locate a free hotspot which emits nearby (and from there I do get automatic IP via DHCP). > >> I was able to make a workaround against this bug (I found it reported >> already) by doing ifconfig / route add default gw in a script and/or >> killing NetManager, but it's not the civilized way to go. >> > > In 95% of cases, if you need to "workaround" a bug, you have to consider > whether there's really a bug or whether you're doing things the wrong way. > Software that provides an option that doesn't work as intended..should be considered a bug otherwise the functionality shouldn't have been there. My 2 cents. > >> Now what's left is the sound problem. >> > > Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on topic > without trying to handle two completely different problems at once. > From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:00:55 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:00:55 -0700 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:52:44 +0200, Luca Ferrari posted: > Hi all, > I've got a machine that often, after a reboot, mixes the uuid of my sata > disks, so that they are mounted in different position of where they should > be. Anyone having similar problems? > Thanks, > Luca No, the UUID of a partition remains the same until you re-format it. The device node may however change as it can be enumerated differently at boot time. If you can be more specific, someone can probably help you set udev rules to achieve, the order you desire. From mihai at duras.ro Mon Mar 30 14:05:13 2009 From: mihai at duras.ro (Mihai Tanasescu) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:05:13 +0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager In-Reply-To: <1238406279.3985.15.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> <1238406279.3985.15.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <49D0D199.7050108@duras.ro> allen meyers wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 06:29 -0700, Thorny wrote: > >> >> This is an oops Derek. You made a rookie mistake and that isn't like you, >> you are an experienced, knowledgable helper. It's recommended, and >> standard practise, to read all of a topic's threads before replying. If >> you had, you would know that all the OPs problems solved. >> >> I don't mean to be picking on you, you give good advice and there is good >> advice in this post of yours too. But this example is a way for lurkers to >> learn how to operate efficiently in the list. No offence meant. >> >> Perhaps we could have threaded better or marked "solved", but this list >> doesn't follow conventions for threads very well >> > > Being a typical OP I guess rather reluctant to chime in here, but will > anyway. If convention dicitates when a concern has been solved that OP > closes the thread so to speak with a solved post then convention should > as well dictate that the helpers acknowledge the solved and drop the > thread. And Thorny it not just this list. It happens on others as well. > The only list in my limited experience that does not continue to offer > suggestions after a solved post is gparted and one wonders what makes > them different. > Allen > >> From my point of view all my issues found their solution so let's stop posting on this thread especially when the subject tends to go offtopic. Thank you all for your help. From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Mon Mar 30 14:06:34 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:06:34 -0400 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: I thought that was the whole point of UUIDs, not to change ever? Anyway, are you making any BIOS changes to the boot order, or how the controller presents the drive ("ATA Emulation" vs "Native")? HTH, Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luca Ferrari Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:53 AM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? Hi all, I've got a machine that often, after a reboot, mixes the uuid of my sata disks, so that they are mounted in different position of where they should be. Anyone having similar problems? Thanks, Luca -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Mon Mar 30 14:10:27 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:10:27 -0400 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <880dece00903291058k463ccd7cx407fe12460a959f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan, Have you used this site before? It's a riot: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Control-Alt-Backspace+Ubuntu+9.04 It's a great alternative to telling people to Google something. :) - Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dotan Cohen Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:59 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: ctr-alt-backspace > Is there any way to turn c-a-b on in 9.04. > Google it. It has been mentioned many times recently. The skill to google will save you more time than just giving you the anser would. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From thorntreehome at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:16:19 2009 From: thorntreehome at gmail.com (Thorny) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:16:19 -0700 Subject: [OT] was (Re: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager) References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> <1238406279.3985.15.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D0D199.7050108@duras.ro> Message-ID: [...] > From my point of view all my issues found their solution so let's stop > posting on this thread especially when the subject tends to go offtopic. > [...] Working out among ourselves how our community should function is appropriate, however, I agree that I should have marked my threads OT. My bad. From raquel at thericehouse.net Mon Mar 30 14:22:14 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:22:14 -0700 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <49D0C1F2.3060109@gmail.com> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49D0C1F2.3060109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090330072214.68a905ef.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:58:26 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > Raquel wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 > > "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > > > >> Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able > >> to get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for > >> about 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now > >> it can't find WiFi either. > >> > > > > I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may > > not work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I > > removed Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a time > > getting the wireless to work until I got rid of Network-Manager > > and installed WICD. Now it works wonderfully! > > > > Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. > > It will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. > > > > I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. > > > > > First WIDC does not come with 9.04 but it is easy to get with > apt-get wicd which I did on Jaunty. It did delete the network > manager software almost in total. I went to the web page and did > everything indicated and WDIC tried to work but it was not able to > turn on the laptop WiFi hardware and it does not work. > > > Karl > What is the network card? Results of #ifconfig, #iwconfig, #iwlist scan? Like I said, I'm not an expert so, I don't know. Sorry. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ I've always figured that if God wanted us to go to church a lot He'd have given us bigger behinds to sit on and smaller heads to think with. --P.J. O'Rourke From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:24:56 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:24:56 +0200 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00903291058k463ccd7cx407fe12460a959f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903300724x48579154od3bea76732fdb102@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 kyle.smith : > Dotan, > > Have you used this site before?  It's a riot: > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Control-Alt-Backspace+Ubuntu+9.04 > > It's a great alternative to telling people to Google something. > I have seen that, Kyle, thanks. However, I was really not trying to be smug or rude. I think that knowing how to google a question is a skill that will help someone in almost all fields, throughout thier life. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From klarsen1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:47:30 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:47:30 -0600 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <20090330072214.68a905ef.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49D0C1F2.3060109@gmail.com> <20090330072214.68a905ef.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <49D0DB82.4060209@gmail.com> Raquel wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:58:26 -0600 > "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > > >> Raquel wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 >>> "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able >>>> to get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for >>>> about 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now >>>> it can't find WiFi either. >>>> >>>> >>> I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may >>> not work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I >>> removed Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a time >>> getting the wireless to work until I got rid of Network-Manager >>> and installed WICD. Now it works wonderfully! >>> >>> Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. >>> It will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. >>> >>> I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. >>> >>> >>> >> First WIDC does not come with 9.04 but it is easy to get with >> apt-get wicd which I did on Jaunty. It did delete the network >> manager software almost in total. I went to the web page and did >> everything indicated and WDIC tried to work but it was not able to >> turn on the laptop WiFi hardware and it does not work. >> >> >> Karl >> >> > > What is the network card? Results of #ifconfig, #iwconfig, #iwlist > scan? > > Like I said, I'm not an expert so, I don't know. Sorry. > > lspci says the Ethernet Controller Realtek Semiconductor Co. RTL8101E/RTL8102E iwconf says no wireless period. iwlist scan says nothing supports scanning. As I have said, the WiFi hardware is not turned on. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 15:08:26 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:08:26 -0400 Subject: wifi and cdwriter problems In-Reply-To: <200903301202.04884.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903301202.04884.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <49D0E06A.5090001@gmail.com> Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I'm using 8.04 (k)ubuntu on a compaq nc8430 laptop and I'm noting strange > issues: > 1) the wifi card is not working if disabled at boot time. The bluetooth (that > starts with the wifi switch) works, but if I turn on the wifi card after the > boot programs like knetworkmanager cannot see the card. > 2) the cdwriter often is not available, and k3b claims about that. After a > reboot the cdwriter is agai available, and after another reboot it is no more > available and so on. > > What can I do to solve this problems? > > Thanks, > Luca > Depending on how dirty the laptop is, there could be dust on the connectors for the hardware which is stopping the OS from seeing the devices. Another possibility is if you have dropped the unit at all, the connections could be loose. Or it could be just that the computer is old, and the hardware is beginning to fail. How long have you had this computer? And how long has this been happening to you? -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From elmo at ne.rr.com Mon Mar 30 15:48:05 2009 From: elmo at ne.rr.com (elmo) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:48:05 -0400 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? Message-ID: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfox94085 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 16:00:12 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:00:12 -0700 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <359a3c580903300900g3b80a7f4y48d1ae1cae0a9d57@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/30 elmo : > which printers are OK for ubuntu  and which should be avoided.? Generally, HP works well. A good url to peruse would be http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi > -- -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 16:05:14 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:14 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> <49D0D09B.9060209@duras.ro> Message-ID: <1387762.1TDuh32qb9@cedar.serverforest.com> Mihai Tanasescu wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > My normal connection is static IP from the ISP. > I also have a wifi usb stick (which I use only when I'm left without any > ISP connection) and with which I can locate a free hotspot which emits > nearby (and from there I do get automatic IP via DHCP). OK, I understand now. >> >> In 95% of cases, if you need to "workaround" a bug, you have to consider >> whether there's really a bug or whether you're doing things the wrong >> way. >> > Software that provides an option that doesn't work as intended..should > be considered a bug otherwise the functionality shouldn't have been there. > My 2 cents. You're right. That's why I said that it wasn't excusable that Network Manager has bugs that should have been fixed years ago. The problem isn't really network-manager - I've argued this to death months ago - but it is true that the configuration screen you are using gets invoked from Network-manager, and it is true that _that_ application (part of System Settings in Kubuntu, I can't recall what the comparable config is called in Ubuntu) won't always save the configuration. I wonder if, in your case, it would have been more successful if invoked directly from System Settings. -- derek From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 30 16:08:44 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:08:44 +0200 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <200903301808.44519.kassube@gmx.net> Luca Ferrari wrote: > I've got a machine that often, after a reboot, mixes the uuid of my > sata disks, so that they are mounted in different position of where > they should be. Anyone having similar problems? That seems like you mount your disks using /dev/sd* entries instead of UUIDs in your "/etc/fstab". Nils From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 30 16:08:19 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:08:19 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <200903301808.19802.kassube@gmx.net> elmo wrote: > which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? There are so many working printers ... Personally I would never buy anything from Lexmark, because about 5 years ago they sold a printer which claimed Linux support but it had a driver which only worked with a then already outdated Red Hat version. Of course they may have changed their Linux policy, but I won't forget having wasted many hours searching for a working driver. Nils From tence at ieee.org Mon Mar 30 16:25:23 2009 From: tence at ieee.org (Tence T. George) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:25:23 -0400 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <200903301808.19802.kassube@gmx.net> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <200903301808.19802.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: I think also HP printers work pretty well with CUPS. I used CUPS with a HP 4650 Color Laser Jet, a few HP LaserJet 9050n and a HP Officejet Pro L7590 (scanner portion works also via hplip). http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > elmo wrote: > > which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? > > There are so many working printers ... > > > Personally I would never buy anything from Lexmark, because about 5 > years ago they sold a printer which claimed Linux support but it had a > driver which only worked with a then already outdated Red Hat version. > Of course they may have changed their Linux policy, but I won't forget > having wasted many hours searching for a working driver. > > > Nils > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I went back to 8.10 and > >>>> now it can't find WiFi either. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may > >>> not work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I > >>> removed Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a > >>> time getting the wireless to work until I got rid of > >>> Network-Manager and installed WICD. Now it works wonderfully! > >>> > >>> Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. > >>> It will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. > >>> > >>> I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> First WIDC does not come with 9.04 but it is easy to get > >> with apt-get wicd which I did on Jaunty. It did delete the > >> network manager software almost in total. I went to the web page > >> and did everything indicated and WDIC tried to work but it was > >> not able to turn on the laptop WiFi hardware and it does not > >> work. > >> > >> > >> Karl > >> > >> > > > > What is the network card? Results of #ifconfig, #iwconfig, > > #iwlist scan? > > > > Like I said, I'm not an expert so, I don't know. Sorry. > > > > > lspci says the Ethernet Controller Realtek Semiconductor Co. > RTL8101E/RTL8102E > > > iwconf says no wireless period. > > iwlist scan says nothing supports scanning. > > As I have said, the WiFi hardware is not turned on. > > > Karl > I had that trouble for awhile, until I realized that 2 conflicting modules were loaded for my adapter. Another thing that happened at first was that the kernel was updated, breaking wifi network connections. I had to drop back to an earlier kernel. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted. --Bertrand Russell From unreal.linux at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 16:56:12 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:56:12 -0400 Subject: Improving Flash Message-ID: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on that site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the flash performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Mar 30 17:05:47 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:05:47 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: elmo wrote: > which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? > Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can choose from: ==HP ==HP and ==Hewlett-Packard But: Unfortunately, not all HPs are working with Linux. However, the already given website clearly outlines what works with Linux and what does not. And if it works, it works superbly. I never saw such an outstanding Linux support! I also have very good experiences with Brother printers. Again, only use those, where brother supports linux. You can find out about this on the brother website. They also work very well, but the installation is a little more complicated than with HP. In regard to the recommendation not to use Lexmark: It depends: ==At all costs avoid cheap lexmark printers, they are not worth your money. ==The enterprise Lexmark Laser Printers that support postscript, work exceptionally well with Linux. Lastly, as with everything Linux related, you should absolutely make certain that your printer works with Linux BEFORE buying it!! Kind regards Eberhard From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 16:14:44 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:14:44 -0300 Subject: Shut down times References: <1238285997.1469.38.camel@spare> <3d0329a4d1120cecf08ec6bfc0e3f4fe.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <2331555.lsRPJt9rA8@cedar.serverforest.com> Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: > On Sun, March 29, 2009 13:33, Thorny wrote: > >> I don't understand the people's objection to clicking more than once, I >> don't know from where they get their experience, you can't shut a Windows >> box down without clicking more than once. That is, unless you use the >> power switch and is isn't recommend there any more than it is here. > > Actually, the power switch on modern computers doesn't switch it off > immediately. It gives a signal to the operating system to shut down. I > think this is done with ACPI, but I'm not an expert in this matter. You're right. > Windows as well as Linux respond to this signal with a proper shutdown > sequence. You can even configure that it doesn't shutdown, but goes to > suspend or standby. > Only when you press the power button longer than a couple of seconds, then > you really cut the power like in the old days. > > All of this may of course be irrelevant for older computers that don't > support ACPI. There are probably very few computers left that don't support _that_ much of ACPI. :-) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 16:13:09 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:13:09 -0300 Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 applets not saving properties - sounds + NetManager References: <49CFB2E3.6030209@duras.ro> <1696630.O0xmEjE4eB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1554279.pzGvNYiksS@cedar.serverforest.com> Thorny wrote: > [...] >>> Now what's left is the sound problem. >> >> Please ask in a separate thread. It's hard enough to keep threads on >> topic without trying to handle two completely different problems at once. > > This is an oops Derek. You made a rookie mistake and that isn't like you, That one is _exactly_ like me. I have a bad tendency to post before reading the whole thread. However... > you are an experienced, knowledgable helper. It's recommended, and > standard practise, to read all of a topic's threads before replying. If > you had, you would know that all the OPs problems solved. _That's_ a "rookie mistake". We all get posts at different rates - just because _you've_ seen later posts doesn't mean I have. In my case, I get the feed through gmane, not email, so that results in different arrival times. Plus I'm on a satellite internet connection, and the weather's awful (snowing right now, raining heavily earlier), which means I'm getting an intermittent connect. > > I don't mean to be picking on you, you give good advice and there is good > advice in this post of yours too. But this example is a way for lurkers to > learn how to operate efficiently in the list. No offence meant. None taken, but I'm really not sure there's a way to prevent this sort of thing. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Mar 30 16:18:26 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:18:26 -0300 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I've got a machine that often, after a reboot, mixes the uuid of my sata > disks, so that they are mounted in different position of where they should > be. Anyone having similar problems? No, it can't do that. UUIDs aren't on the drive, they're on the filesystem. Post your /etc/fstab - but I'd bet you _aren't_ using UUIDs to mount. -- derek From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 17:19:10 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:19:10 -0700 Subject: l7 filter in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <49D0C309.1060201@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49D0C309.1060201@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: On 03/30/2009 06:03 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > Hi all, > How to know if this: > http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols.en.php?sort=quality > is in Ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/~kuscsik/+archive/ppa From amichai at iglu.org.il Mon Mar 30 17:40:04 2009 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:40:04 +0300 Subject: Create a Bootable USB Pen Drive Message-ID: Hello, I have a 50MB ISO file I would like to "burn" to a 65MB Pen Drive. If I use K3B to burn it to a normal CD-RW, I can then boot from that CD. I tried to do the following: In a console: $ sudo dd if=/pathe/to/ISOfile of=/dev/pendrive_device I got the contents on the pen drive, but when I try to boot from it (and my BIOS supports it) - it claimes there is no system disk. What should I do to make it bootable? I tried a few things fro Pendrive Linux - without success. My grand plan is to create a USB pendrive that boots to a menu (like GRUB or SysLinux) toboot diferent tools from it. Any pointers to gudes /HOWTOs regarding this task (for a diferent USB pen drive) will be appreciated. Thanks! .:====================================================:. 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URL: From uncurbed at swipnet.se Mon Mar 30 18:02:12 2009 From: uncurbed at swipnet.se (Conny Enstrom) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:02:12 +0200 Subject: Create a Bootable USB Pen Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D10924.6040007@swipnet.se> Amichai Rotman skrev: > Hello, > > I have a 50MB ISO file I would like to "burn" to a 65MB Pen Drive. > > If I use K3B to burn it to a normal CD-RW, I can then boot from that CD. > I tried to do the following: > > In a console: > > $ sudo dd if=/pathe/to/ISOfile of=/dev/pendrive_device > > I got the contents on the pen drive, but when I try to boot from it (and > my BIOS supports it) - it claimes there is no system disk. > > What should I do to make it bootable? I tried a few things fro Pendrive > Linux - without success. > > My grand plan is to create a USB pendrive that boots to a menu (like > GRUB or SysLinux) toboot diferent tools from it. Any pointers to gudes > /HOWTOs regarding this task (for a diferent USB pen drive) will be > appreciated. > > Thanks! Try this out: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ From pegngary at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 18:09:55 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:09:55 -0600 Subject: Skype in 8.10 Message-ID: Just upgraded to 8.10 and skype says there is a problem with audio playback. I tried changing options under preferences/sound without success. I am using a Dell Inspiron 600m which has an integrated sound card. Any suggestions are appreciated. gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 30 18:16:29 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:16:29 +0200 Subject: Create a Bootable USB Pen Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903302016.29134.kassube@gmx.net> Amichai Rotman wrote: > I have a 50MB ISO file I would like to "burn" to a 65MB Pen Drive. Is that something like a stripped down Ubuntu image? > $ sudo dd if=/pathe/to/ISOfile of=/dev/pendrive_device > > I got the contents on the pen drive, but when I try to boot from it > (and my BIOS supports it) - it claimes there is no system disk. I think a normal bootable iso image expects to boot from CD but not from a disk. However the USB pen drive is a disk for the kernel. So you would have to adjust the boot device. Further more with both my machines which support booting from USB there are 2 possible methods to try booting from USB but only one of them works. I can set the BIOS to boot from USB device then (CD/DVD then) disk - that method works. I can also put the USB device at another position in the boot sequence and select it from the BIOS boot menu but that method doesn't work (but it works for CD/DVD). So maybe your problem is related to the BIOS settings. Can you check with a "normal" Ubuntu boot disk installed to a pen drive? I'm not sure if these links apply - and maybe you know them already: Nils From stude.list at googlemail.com Mon Mar 30 18:39:30 2009 From: stude.list at googlemail.com (Andy) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:39:30 +0100 Subject: ctr-alt-backspace In-Reply-To: <880dece00903300724x48579154od3bea76732fdb102@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00903291058k463ccd7cx407fe12460a959f2@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903300724x48579154od3bea76732fdb102@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219482c0903301139s70949e9cp7750554d9123f501@mail.gmail.com> Edit your xorg.conf file: sudo -e /etc/X11/xorg.conf Find the line: Section "ServerFlags" after it add: Option "DontZap" "false" if there is no ServerFlags section create one: Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "false" EndSection Restart the machine and now Ctrl-Alt-Bksp should restart X. Andy -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 18:44:07 2009 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:44:07 +0100 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <200903301808.19802.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090330194407.415cbbf7.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:25:23 -0400 "Tence T. George" wrote: TTG> I think also HP printers work pretty well with CUPS. I used CUPS TTG> with a HP 4650 Color Laser Jet, a few HP LaserJet 9050n and a HP TTG> Officejet Pro L7590 (scanner portion works also via hplip). Certainly Epson also used to be pretty well supported, though the quality of the hardware wasn't as good as for HP. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 18:55:39 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:55:39 +0700 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903301155t6bad6973k4137d840e120592d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Gary Kirkpatrick : > Just upgraded to 8.10 and skype says there is a problem with audio > playback.  I tried changing options under preferences/sound without > success.  I am using a Dell Inspiron 600m which has an integrated sound > card. Pulseaudio is fubarred in 8.10 so first of all you need to fix that as instructed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 You need to read the above fairly carefully. Then you must configure Skype. Sign in using your user name and open up the Main Menu (the 'S' at the bottom left of the Skype window). Select Options -> Sound Devices. You need to select for Sound In, Sound Out, and Ringing Probably the best starting point would be 'pulse' for all 3 but on my system what worked was: Sound In -> HDA Intel (hw:Intel,0) Sound Out -> pulse Ringing -> pulse Try the "Make a test sound" and "Make a test call" buttons whilst changing the above options until you find a combination that works. HTH, Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From bvidinli at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 19:30:19 2009 From: bvidinli at gmail.com (bvidinli) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:30:19 +0300 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36e8a7020903301230s5768fda9m992b1691962d4d43@mail.gmail.com> go to skype preferences, audoio settings try different settings especially hw0,1 ones for input pulse for output... 2009/3/30 Gary Kirkpatrick : > Just upgraded to 8.10 and skype says there is a problem with audio > playback.  I tried changing options under preferences/sound without > success.  I am using a Dell Inspiron 600m which has an integrated sound > card. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > > gary > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > From smcmackin at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 19:58:44 2009 From: smcmackin at gmail.com (Shannon McMackin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:58:44 -0400 Subject: Turn on WiFi In-Reply-To: <49D0DB82.4060209@gmail.com> References: <49CEA67F.2010002@gmail.com> <20090328202705.193d74a5.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49D0C1F2.3060109@gmail.com> <20090330072214.68a905ef.raquel@thericehouse.net> <49D0DB82.4060209@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Raquel wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:58:26 -0600 >> "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: >> >> >>> Raquel wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:36:47 -0600 >>>> "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Somehow I had the hardware left on because my 8.10 was able >>>>> to get WiFi. But today I set up Jaunty and it found the WiFi for >>>>> about 30 minutes and then it quit. I went back to 8.10 and now >>>>> it can't find WiFi either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I found out that all the pretty lights which work with Vista may >>>> not work with Linux. I recently bought a new HP G70-246US. I >>>> removed Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I had a whale of a time >>>> getting the wireless to work until I got rid of Network-Manager >>>> and installed WICD. Now it works wonderfully! >>>> >>>> Go to http://wicd.net/download.php and follow the instructions. >>>> It will remove Network-Manager for you as it installs. >>>> >>>> I understand that WICD will come with Ubuntu 9.04. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> First WIDC does not come with 9.04 but it is easy to get with >>> apt-get wicd which I did on Jaunty. It did delete the network >>> manager software almost in total. I went to the web page and did >>> everything indicated and WDIC tried to work but it was not able to >>> turn on the laptop WiFi hardware and it does not work. >>> >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >> What is the network card? Results of #ifconfig, #iwconfig, #iwlist >> scan? >> >> Like I said, I'm not an expert so, I don't know. Sorry. >> >> > lspci says the Ethernet Controller Realtek Semiconductor Co. > RTL8101E/RTL8102E > > > iwconf says no wireless period. > > iwlist scan says nothing supports scanning. > > As I have said, the WiFi hardware is not turned on. > > > Karl > > Karl, lspci will show your wireless chipset regardless of it's state. More than likely, the lack of backports is your problem unless you're certain you have it installed for your kernel. If you have the newer atheros chipset, you may have to blacklist the ath5k driver and switch to a manual install of madwifi. From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Mon Mar 30 20:23:27 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:23:27 -0400 Subject: Improving Flash In-Reply-To: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm having a simliar problem with Flash elements crashing. In the past, I've stepped the version of Flash back and had better success. It seems Adobe doesn't put as much effort into the Linux module as they do the Windows one. There is a linux archive for Adobe Flash on their site, I don't recall where. Google might know. HTH, Kyle -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Freitag Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:56 PM To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Improving Flash I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on that site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the flash performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From larryesu at charter.net Mon Mar 30 21:42:02 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:42:02 -0500 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <20090330194407.415cbbf7.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <200903301808.19802.kassube@gmx.net> <20090330194407.415cbbf7.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49D13CAA.30309@charter.net> James Tappin wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:25:23 -0400 > "Tence T. George" wrote: > > TTG> I think also HP printers work pretty well with CUPS. I used CUPS > TTG> with a HP 4650 Color Laser Jet, a few HP LaserJet 9050n and a HP > TTG> Officejet Pro L7590 (scanner portion works also via hplip). > > Certainly Epson also used to be pretty well supported, though the > quality of the hardware wasn't as good as for HP. > > > *I've been using HP printers for years, they work great on any Linux system... :-) Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 9.04 Jaunty 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From 4030man at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 21:59:57 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:59:57 -0700 Subject: qemu Message-ID: <49D140DD.8020108@gmail.com> I would like to see if anyone has used both VirtualBox and qemu w/kqemu. And if any pluses or minuses of using either one. I've used two different releases of VirtulaBox. And Please, no flame wars. Just some good and bad(?) for both. TIA nolan From 4030man at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 22:01:48 2009 From: 4030man at gmail.com (Nolan Cooper) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:01:48 -0700 Subject: qemu Message-ID: <49D1414C.5010202@gmail.com> I would like to see if anyone has used both VirtualBox and qemu w/kqemu on Ubuntu. And if any pluses or minuses of using either one. I've used two different releases of VirtulaBox. And Please, no flame wars. Just some good and bad(?) for both. I'm running Hardy 8.04.2 TIA nolan From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 22:32:46 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (ubuntu)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:32:46 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <49D1488E.8070909@amedee.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 elmo schreef: > which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? > I have a Konica Minolta Magicolor 2430 DL. It works out of the box in Ubuntu with the 2530 DL driver (ppd). There is also a ppd for the 2430 DL that you can download from the Konica Minolta website, but as far as I know, it is only recent for x86. It is possible to get a working ppd for amd64 (my current cpu) but that involves converting an rpm to a deb file + some source compilation. That's too much hassle for a printer that already works the way I want it to work. - -- Amedee -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknRSF4ACgkQxc/p9jmqUL6HZgCghakI36RO0CwXDCCtSmrVBUtb K4UAn1c9XNu6eZwOs8DCOGix67w/1H0c =qj5w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ross_s at cmc.net Mon Mar 30 22:58:48 2009 From: ross_s at cmc.net (Ross Schoenauer) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:58:48 -0700 Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 55, Issue 339 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D14EA8.90008@cmc.net> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:39:30 +0100 > From: Andy > Subject: Re: ctr-alt-backspace > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > > Message-ID: > <219482c0903301139s70949e9cp7750554d9123f501 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Edit your xorg.conf file: > sudo -e /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Find the line: > Section "ServerFlags" > > after it add: > Option "DontZap" "false" > > if there is no ServerFlags section create one: > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "DontZap" "false" > EndSection > > Restart the machine and now Ctrl-Alt-Bksp should restart X. > > Andy > > Thanks, I tried all the suggestions mentioned here and none of them work for me. I think my kernel is screwed up. I will pass on the CAB problem for now and see if I can fix the kernal first. Thanks for the help. Ross From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Mon Mar 30 23:00:19 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (ubuntu)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:00:19 +0200 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> <20090328144554.0585e2c9@teamcharliesangels.com> <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49D14F03.5040707@amedee.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Derek Broughton schreef: > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:02 -0400 >> Brian Honaker wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> Not sure where to send this, but I think the release after >>> Karmic should be Lucent Lama. >> Here's the place for suggestions: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames >> > > Now that's better Brian, but I think you need to get your spelling right to > have a chance! > > "A one-l lama, that's a priest. > A two-l llama, that's a beast. > But I bet a silk pajama, > There's no such thing as a three-l lllama." > > Ogden Nash, of course. Calling it Lucent Lama might be politically > sensitive. Why? Oh I see, you wrote it with only one l. Got it. A two-l llama would be politically correct, because we haven't had an animal from South America yet. I think all other continents were already covere, correct me if I'm wrong. Aalthough the Jackalope is a fictional animal, but so is the country where it was invented. *g* 8/11 adjectives end on y. But I don't consider that a criterium. Starting with breezy, the adjectives are very interesting. They describe a property of the animal that is hoped to be reflected in the distribution. Now I'm going somewhere where I don't feel comfortable because English is not my native language (it's my third language, after Dutch and French). I think "lucent" fits in the same category of adjectives as feisty, gutsy, intrepid,... (by the way my server is also called intrepid, but it is a debian, and it's named after a class of Star Trek starships) These are just some random thoughts I wanted to share. Sorry for posting a non-technical message on a technical list. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknRTwAACgkQxc/p9jmqUL7FQACg8GmAVgUVJpI0yzstrFd7l6CP wLYAnjoZAY/nwnr3OKq217mEatzeDDbI =DoXg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Mar 30 23:08:57 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:08:57 -0400 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > elmo wrote: >> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >> > Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can > choose from: > > ==HP > ==HP > and > ==Hewlett-Packard Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to say that's the only brand to buy? Matt Flaschen From rlp1938 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 23:28:00 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:28:00 +0700 Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <49D14F03.5040707@amedee.be> References: <49CCE93E.9000204@gmail.com> <20090328144554.0585e2c9@teamcharliesangels.com> <1585426.IxuYrcVGpo@cedar.serverforest.com> <49D14F03.5040707@amedee.be> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903301628q3b36c36bse1aa7eeb5bf70534@mail.gmail.com> Personally I reckon 9.10 would be just fine. Bob -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 23:40:12 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:40:12 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/29/2009 12:13 PM, David M. Karr wrote: > Ok, I can see that there's one detail that I didn't specifically say > here. I thought it was obvious, so I didn't mention it. I think it > wasn't obvious to some of you. > > I'm not having trouble with clamav telling me what FILE a virus is in. > The report is clear on that. The problem is that the IMAP INBOX file is > a formatted file containing many email messages. What I'm looking for > is some sort of ability to introspect into the mailbox format in the > clamav report so that I can tell which email message contains the > virus. I certainly am not going to run clamav in "auto-remove" mode, as > it would remove my entire inbox. David, BitDefender for Unices, at least on POP3 mailbox files, will tell you the exact msg number, the subject of the email(s), and the time stamp on the email(s) within the file. I expect that it will do the same for an IMAP file. I don't have an IMAP so I can't test. I just test scanned an email archive with both clamav and BitDefender; result was that clamav identified 4 issues that supposedly contained: 'Phishing.Heuistics.Email.SpoofedDomain and Email.Phishing.DblDom-138' no trojans or viri found. ClamAV entirely missed trojan signatures in the files. Further, clamav didn't provide any further information beyond the file location and the above. BitDefender not only properly found folders with a trojan signature ('Trojan.Iframe.AV'), but also identified exactly which emails within the 17+MB file were at issue. I was then able to open up the file in gedit, identify the the emails within the file by subject & time stamp, and edit them out by hand. I could have of course opened the file in SeaMonkey (my email client) and deleted them that way as I know the exact msg numbers, subjects and times. I happen to know exactly what the trojan signatures were/are in the archived email file as they were emails that I had sent/received regarding that particular Iframe exploit, so there was no false positive. I very much recommend exploring BitDefender - see my post to Leonard in this thread for links etc. You can use cli or gui, set cron scans, scan incoming on Evolution, Pine, etc., use scripts, scan across Samba, etc. It's (IMO) worth a look. 32bit and 64bit versions are available. Disclaimer: I also use BD comercial licenses to scan Windows servers for my customers for years, and my personal use machines (linux and windows); beyond that I've no other relationship with BD. From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 00:41:18 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:41:18 -0400 Subject: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? Message-ID: Hello, This is a bit strange thing for me. On a machine running Hardy, if I start up mutt, it asks for my password twice. I have tried to find out why that is so, but I am not sure what I am looking for. I check my mail from an imap server on our LAN in our univ. If I try to check the mail from another machine (not running Hardy), mutt asks for the password only once. So that rules out .muttrc (/home is same in all machines) and the imap server and leaves on the version of mutt. At least that is all I can guess. Any way to see what is causing this and how to solve this? The version of mutt on Hardy is 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu. Thanks. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From jim at oz.net Tue Mar 31 01:00:39 2009 From: jim at oz.net (Jim Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:00:39 -0700 Subject: Improving Flash In-Reply-To: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> References: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D16B37.9050304@oz.net> Dirk Freitag wrote: > I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media > Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based > site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on that > site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in > windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was > curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the flash > performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > Pretty much the same here, I think it might be related to problems with Pulseaudio in 8.10. I'll make a note to check again after I upgrade to Jaunty. YMMV Jim -- Its only a hobby, only a hobby, only a hobby, only a ho............ From p.echols at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 01:08:04 2009 From: p.echols at comcast.net (p.echols at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Correction on Ubuntu's next name. In-Reply-To: <49D14F03.5040707@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1831710086.1396351238461684481.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Amedee Van Gasse (ubuntu)" wrote: > Starting with breezy, the adjectives are very interesting. They describe > a property of the animal that is hoped to be reflected in the > distribution. Now I'm going somewhere where I don't feel comfortable > because English is not my native language (it's my third language, after > Dutch and French) Your English is way better than my Dutch! >. I think "lucent" fits in the same category of > adjectives as feisty, gutsy, intrepid,... Sure, I like it. But I wonder if these guys would have an issue with it: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/wps/portal/BellLabs Cheers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 01:42:40 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:42:40 -0400 Subject: Improving Flash In-Reply-To: <49D16B37.9050304@oz.net> References: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> <49D16B37.9050304@oz.net> Message-ID: <49D17510.1060706@gmail.com> Jim Smith wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media >> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based >> site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on that >> site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in >> windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was >> curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the flash >> performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. >> >> -- >> Dirk Freitag >> Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] >> >> > Pretty much the same here, I think it might be related to problems with > Pulseaudio in 8.10. I'll make a note to check again after I upgrade to > Jaunty. > > YMMV > > Jim > Yea, I will be checking again when I upgrade to Jaunty as well. What kind of computer are you running that your having issues with flash? -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From joheiker at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 02:10:39 2009 From: joheiker at gmail.com (Jose Rodriguez) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:40:39 +1930 Subject: Wireless card issue Message-ID: Hello all Ubuntu users! Im this close of shooting myself with this problem that i have. I hope someone can help me. I have a HP Pavillion dv2000. I have a Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. A long time ago i asked someone to install Ubuntu 8.04 in my computer along with Windows Vista. He told me that he couldn't configure the wireless card but for my surprise when i got it home it was working perfectly. Then, i downloaded a kernel (2.6.27.7) because i wanted to test some stuff in it. Right now i need my wireless card to work on i this kernel i downloaded. Im not very good at linux so i searched online and i found these links http://jorgemorales.com.mx/como-activar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312-en-ubuntu/ https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/ndiswrapper.html http://linuxsix.blogspot.com/2009/01/instalar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312.html http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/driver-oficiales-broadcom-bcm4311-bcm4312-bcm4321-bcm4322 http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Graphics_cards_and_displays NONE of them have worked..!!!!!! I even try using WINE like i read in some email i got for the Ubuntu Users mailing list. So, is there any way that i can copy some files from one kernel to another and compile them or something like that so i can make it work????? Im out ideas here people!! Im currently using Ubuntu 8.04 (2.6.24-3), that's the good kernel. Hope i can get some help from you guys. Thanxs a lot..!!!!!!! -- A day without sunshine is like, you know...night. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rim.riaz at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 02:24:43 2009 From: rim.riaz at gmail.com (Nay Myo Win) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:54:43 +0630 Subject: I would like to participate Message-ID: how can i Participate? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at oz.net Tue Mar 31 02:28:54 2009 From: jim at oz.net (Jim Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: Improving Flash In-Reply-To: <49D17510.1060706@gmail.com> References: <49D0F9AC.6050609@gmail.com> <49D16B37.9050304@oz.net> <49D17510.1060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D17FE6.9090901@oz.net> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Jim Smith wrote: > >> Dirk Freitag wrote: >> >>> I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media >>> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based >>> site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on that >>> site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in >>> windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was >>> curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the flash >>> performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Dirk Freitag >>> Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] >>> >>> >>> >> Pretty much the same here, I think it might be related to problems with >> Pulseaudio in 8.10. I'll make a note to check again after I upgrade to >> Jaunty. >> >> YMMV >> >> Jim >> >> > > Yea, I will be checking again when I upgrade to Jaunty as well. What > kind of computer are you running that your having issues with flash? > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > A Sony VAIO laptop also using the GMA 950, so it could be an issue with this card only. Any others out there with the choppy Flash Playback problem using Intrepid? Any other s have it with different graphics cards? Jim -- Its only a hobby, only a hobby, only a hobby, only a ho............ From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 31 02:46:16 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:46:16 -0400 Subject: Wireless card issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D183F8.8020703@roadrunner.com> Jose Rodriguez wrote: > Hello all Ubuntu users! > > Im this close of shooting myself with this problem that i have. I hope > someone can help me. > > I have a HP Pavillion dv2000. I have a Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. > > A long time ago i asked someone to install Ubuntu 8.04 in my computer > along with Windows Vista. He told me that he couldn't configure the > wireless card but for my surprise when i got it home it was working > perfectly. > > Then, i downloaded a kernel (2.6.27.7) because i wanted to test some > stuff in it. Right now i need my wireless card to work on i this kernel > i downloaded. not using broadcom here, but ive had problems with atheros on my laptops before on kernel upgrades. ive had good luck with enabling backports in synaptic, then search for backports. install the backport modules for the kernel that isnt working. worth a shot, cant hurt anything. steve From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 03:08:14 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Solved] Re: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: H.S. wrote: > Hello, > > This is a bit strange thing for me. On a machine running Hardy, if I > start up mutt, it asks for my password twice. I have tried to find out > why that is so, but I am not sure what I am looking for. > > I check my mail from an imap server on our LAN in our univ. If I try to > check the mail from another machine (not running Hardy), mutt asks for > the password only once. So that rules out .muttrc (/home is same in all > machines) and the imap server and leaves on the version of mutt. At > least that is all I can guess. > > Any way to see what is causing this and how to solve this? The version > of mutt on Hardy is 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu. > > Thanks. I think that it is solved. I tried searching google with different terms now and after going through a few hoops settled on fixing the spool and folder variables. Earlier, I had the following two lines in my .muttrc set spoolfile=imap://imap.server.edu/INBOX. # Default spoolfile set folder=imap://imap.server.edu # Dir. that contains all mail files I just replaced imap: with imaps: and now mutt doesn't ask for the password the second time. Now if anyone can explain the reason behind this, it would icing on the cake. Thanks. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From squareyes at internode.on.net Tue Mar 31 03:06:40 2009 From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:36:40 +1030 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <49D188C0.8080603@internode.on.net> Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >> elmo wrote: >> >>> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >>> >>> >> Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can >> choose from: >> >> ==HP >> ==HP >> and >> ==Hewlett-Packard >> > > Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to > say that's the only brand to buy? > > Matt Flaschen > > I have just plugged in an Epson Stylus Photo R230, pleasantly surprised, message popped up "Epson... now installed and ready for use" Didn't need to install anything, 8.04 did it all, just works. Cannot print to inkjet printable CD's though, but expected that. Have HP Laserjet 1100 and HP Colorlaserjet 1600 that work fine with no hassles. Winton From haniganwork at earthlink.net Tue Mar 31 03:34:06 2009 From: haniganwork at earthlink.net (Linda) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:34:06 -0500 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <49D18F2E.7040703@earthlink.net> elmo wrote: > which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? If you are looking for an all in one I just set up a brother MFC-6480CW. Not only does it work well, it also prints and scans 11 X 17. It also was a whole lot easier to get up and working with ubuntu than it was with the window Xp machine. I currently am working on an issue with a HP laserjet 4250. It will not affect most people but if you print from the command lines it ignores CUPS -o options for postscript files things like turning duplex on and off. As long as you want the default options or print from things like Open Office it is fine. Of course this printer also loses options from windows if you use the postscript driver instead of the pcl driver. The Openprinting.org site well allow you to check everything out before you buy. Also our local Office Max lets you return items for 15 days so you can make sure you are happy with how it prints. Linda From tence at ieee.org Tue Mar 31 03:58:00 2009 From: tence at ieee.org (Tence T. George) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:58:00 -0400 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Well I did get my Brother 7440N working on my Gentoo box a while back. I never got around to installing it on Ubuntu but it should be about the same. Never tested the scanning or faxing portion of it though. Tence On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Matthew Flaschen < matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > elmo wrote: > >> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? > >> > > Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can > > choose from: > > > > ==HP > > ==HP > > and > > ==Hewlett-Packard > > Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to > say that's the only brand to buy? > > Matt Flaschen > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 04:02:47 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:02:47 -0300 Subject: I would like to participate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/30 Nay Myo Win : > how can i Participate? > You are already participating... Just follow the threads, you will learn a lot. -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From thezorch at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 04:31:19 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:31:19 -0400 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: I have a USB connected Konica Minota PagePro 1400W laser printer I got from the College Park, MD FreeCycle group on Yahoo Groups for free and it worked immediately upon plugging it in with Kubuntu 8.04 and CUPS. Haven't had any issues with it other than I need a new toner cartridge. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 31 05:32:12 2009 From: cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net (Cybe R. Wizard) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:32:12 -0500 Subject: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090331003212.2eb0e510@WizardsTower> "H.S." said: > Hello, > > This is a bit strange thing for me. On a machine running Hardy, if I > start up mutt, it asks for my password twice. I have tried to find out > why that is so, but I am not sure what I am looking for. > > I check my mail from an imap server on our LAN in our univ. If I try > to check the mail from another machine (not running Hardy), mutt asks > for the password only once. So that rules out .muttrc (/home is same > in all machines) and the imap server and leaves on the version of > mutt. At least that is all I can guess. > > Any way to see what is causing this and how to solve this? The version > of mutt on Hardy is 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu. > > Thanks. You might ask on the Debian list since they know so much more about Mutt. It doesn't matter that you are a Ubuntu Hardy user at all since everything is the same. ;-} Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" From rick0009 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 05:43:51 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:43:51 -0400 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBE6BC.2040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D1AD97.8010700@gmail.com> On 3/27/2009 9:56 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Richard wrote: > > >>> >>> >> Running too many anti-this and anti-that to keep Vista clean, plus some >> of the updates of late, >> has cause some more grief, they say a fix in SP2 for vista... but I not >> holding my breath. >> >> Richard >> >> > > Richard, > > fully agreed. More or less, this was also my motivation to switch over. > > As only you can precisely know what will worl ok for you, I suggest to > simply start and see by installing Linux on top of your existing windows. > > Without any risk, you can easily use virtualbox for the task. > > Then, one by one, you can try out Linux without having the risk of > destroying what you have.. > > And if the day comes, you will be able to fully switch confidently and > easily. > > Then after this day, you will be able to do it "vice versa" and install > Vista on top of Ubuntu, just for the few cases, where you prefer Windows. > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > > > I just added a second drive, and now will install Linux (Ubuntu) Beta 9.04 on my second drive... Question, well this install effect windows boot-loader? Thanks! Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils From rim.riaz at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 06:30:52 2009 From: rim.riaz at gmail.com (Nay Myo Win) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:00:52 +0630 Subject: I would like to participate Message-ID: I mean i would like to be nominated as part of your team and would like to be invited free of charge for meeting or focus group meeting or something like that in some activities. and displayed my name on office ubuntu site as blog or something like that. 2009/3/31 > Send ubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-users digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. I would like to participate (Nay Myo Win) > 2. Re: Improving Flash (Jim Smith) > 3. Re: Wireless card issue (Steve Reilly) > 4. [Solved] Re: why does mutt ask twice for the password in > Hardy? (H.S.) > 5. Re: printers for UBUNTU? (squareyes) > 6. Re: printers for UBUNTU? (Linda) > 7. Re: printers for UBUNTU? (Tence T. George) > 8. Re: I would like to participate (Lucio M Nicolosi) > 9. Re: printers for UBUNTU? (Michael Haney) > 10. Re: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? > (Cybe R. Wizard) > 11. Re: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But (Richard) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nay Myo Win > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-server at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:54:43 +0630 > Subject: I would like to participate > how can i Participate? > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jim Smith > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:28:54 -0700 > Subject: Re: Improving Flash > Dirk Freitag wrote: > > Jim Smith wrote: > > > >> Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> > >>> I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook with an Intel Graphics Media > >>> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, when I goto a flash based > >>> site, for example www.starcraft2.com the flash intro that plays on > that > >>> site is very choppy when I am booted into Ubuntu. If I am booted in > >>> windows, the flash intro plays smoothly like it is supposed to. I was > >>> curious as to what the difference was, and how I could improve the > flash > >>> performance when booted in Ubuntu? Thanks. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dirk Freitag > >>> Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Pretty much the same here, I think it might be related to problems with > >> Pulseaudio in 8.10. I'll make a note to check again after I upgrade to > >> Jaunty. > >> > >> YMMV > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > > > > Yea, I will be checking again when I upgrade to Jaunty as well. What > > kind of computer are you running that your having issues with flash? > > > > > > -- > > Dirk Freitag > > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > > > > A Sony VAIO laptop also using the GMA 950, so it could be an issue with > this card only. Any others out there with the choppy Flash Playback > problem using Intrepid? Any other s have it with different graphics cards? > > Jim > > -- > Its only a hobby, only a hobby, only a hobby, only a ho............ > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Steve Reilly > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:46:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: Wireless card issue > Jose Rodriguez wrote: > > Hello all Ubuntu users! > > > > Im this close of shooting myself with this problem that i have. I hope > > someone can help me. > > > > I have a HP Pavillion dv2000. I have a Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. > > > > A long time ago i asked someone to install Ubuntu 8.04 in my computer > > along with Windows Vista. He told me that he couldn't configure the > > wireless card but for my surprise when i got it home it was working > > perfectly. > > > > Then, i downloaded a kernel (2.6.27.7) because i wanted to test some > > stuff in it. Right now i need my wireless card to work on i this kernel > > i downloaded. > > not using broadcom here, but ive had problems with atheros on my laptops > before on kernel upgrades. ive had good luck with enabling backports in > synaptic, then search for backports. install the backport modules for > the kernel that isnt working. worth a shot, cant hurt anything. > > > steve > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "H.S." > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:08:14 -0400 > Subject: [Solved] Re: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? > H.S. wrote: > > Hello, > > > > This is a bit strange thing for me. On a machine running Hardy, if I > > start up mutt, it asks for my password twice. I have tried to find out > > why that is so, but I am not sure what I am looking for. > > > > I check my mail from an imap server on our LAN in our univ. If I try to > > check the mail from another machine (not running Hardy), mutt asks for > > the password only once. So that rules out .muttrc (/home is same in all > > machines) and the imap server and leaves on the version of mutt. At > > least that is all I can guess. > > > > Any way to see what is causing this and how to solve this? The version > > of mutt on Hardy is 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu. > > > > Thanks. > > > > I think that it is solved. I tried searching google with different terms > now and after going through a few hoops settled on fixing the spool and > folder variables. Earlier, I had the following two lines in my .muttrc > set spoolfile=imap://imap.server.edu/INBOX. # Default spoolfile > set folder=imap://imap.server.edu # Dir. that contains all mail files > > I just replaced imap: with imaps: and now mutt doesn't ask for the > password the second time. > > Now if anyone can explain the reason behind this, it would icing on the > cake. > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding > newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just > filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without > ever having been read. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: squareyes > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:36:40 +1030 > Subject: Re: printers for UBUNTU? > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> >> >>> elmo wrote: >>> >>> >>>> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can >>> choose from: >>> >>> ==HP >>> ==HP >>> and >>> ==Hewlett-Packard >>> >>> >> >> Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to >> say that's the only brand to buy? >> >> Matt Flaschen >> >> >> > I have just plugged in an Epson Stylus Photo R230, pleasantly surprised, > message popped up "Epson... now installed and ready for use" Didn't need > to install anything, > 8.04 did it all, just works. Cannot print to inkjet printable CD's though, > but expected that. > > Have HP Laserjet 1100 and HP Colorlaserjet 1600 that work fine with no > hassles. > Winton > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Linda > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:34:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: printers for UBUNTU? > elmo wrote: > >> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >> > If you are looking for an all in one I just set up a brother MFC-6480CW. > Not only does it work well, it also prints and scans 11 X 17. It also was a > whole lot easier to get up and working with ubuntu than it was with the > window Xp machine. > > I currently am working on an issue with a HP laserjet 4250. It will not > affect most people but if you print from the command lines it ignores CUPS > -o options for postscript files things like turning duplex on and off. As > long as you want the default options or print from things like Open Office > it is fine. Of course this printer also loses options from windows if you > use the postscript driver instead of the pcl driver. > > The Openprinting.org site well allow you to check everything out before you > buy. Also our local Office Max lets you return items for 15 days so you can > make sure you are happy with how it prints. > Linda > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Tence T. George" > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:58:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: printers for UBUNTU? > Well I did get my Brother 7440N working on my Gentoo box a while back. I > never got around to installing it on Ubuntu but it should be about the > same. Never tested the scanning or faxing portion of it though. > > Tence > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Matthew Flaschen < > matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote: > >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> > elmo wrote: >> >> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >> >> >> > Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can >> > choose from: >> > >> > ==HP >> > ==HP >> > and >> > ==Hewlett-Packard >> >> Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to >> say that's the only brand to buy? >> >> Matt Flaschen >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Lucio M Nicolosi > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:02:47 -0300 > Subject: Re: I would like to participate > 2009/3/30 Nay Myo Win : > > how can i Participate? > > > > You are already participating... > > Just follow the threads, you will learn a lot. > > > > -- > Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil > skype: lmnicolosi1 > Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W > Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Michael Haney > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:31:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: printers for UBUNTU? > I have a USB connected Konica Minota PagePro 1400W laser printer I got > from the College Park, MD FreeCycle group on Yahoo Groups for free and > it worked immediately upon plugging it in with Kubuntu 8.04 and CUPS. > Haven't had any issues with it other than I need a new toner > cartridge. > > -- > Michael "TheZorch" Haney > thezorch at gmail.com > http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home > Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) > AIM: thezorch at gmail.com > Yahoo IM: zorchhaney > ICQ: 343230252 > GoogleTalk: thezorch > MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com > Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Cybe R. Wizard" > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:32:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: why does mutt ask twice for the password in Hardy? > "H.S." said: > > Hello, > > > > This is a bit strange thing for me. On a machine running Hardy, if I > > start up mutt, it asks for my password twice. I have tried to find out > > why that is so, but I am not sure what I am looking for. > > > > I check my mail from an imap server on our LAN in our univ. If I try > > to check the mail from another machine (not running Hardy), mutt asks > > for the password only once. So that rules out .muttrc (/home is same > > in all machines) and the imap server and leaves on the version of > > mutt. At least that is all I can guess. > > > > Any way to see what is causing this and how to solve this? The version > > of mutt on Hardy is 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu. > > > > Thanks. > > You might ask on the Debian list since they know so much more about > Mutt. It doesn't matter that you are a Ubuntu Hardy user at all since > everything is the same. > > ;-} > > Cybe R. Wizard > -- > Nice computers don't go down. > Larry Niven, Steven Barnes > "The Barsoom Project" > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" < > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:43:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But > On 3/27/2009 9:56 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Richard wrote: > > > > > Running too many anti-this and anti-that to keep Vista clean, plus some > of the updates of late, > has cause some more grief, they say a fix in SP2 for vista... but I not > holding my breath. > > Richard > > > > Richard, > > fully agreed. More or less, this was also my motivation to switch over. > > As only you can precisely know what will worl ok for you, I suggest to > simply start and see by installing Linux on top of your existing windows. > > Without any risk, you can easily use virtualbox for the task. > > Then, one by one, you can try out Linux without having the risk of > destroying what you have.. > > And if the day comes, you will be able to fully switch confidently and > easily. > > Then after this day, you will be able to do it "vice versa" and install > Vista on top of Ubuntu, just for the few cases, where you prefer Windows. > > Kind regards > Eberhard > > > I just added a second drive, and now will install Linux (Ubuntu) Beta > 9.04 on my second drive... > Question, well this install effect windows boot-loader? > > Thanks! > Richard > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Mar 31 06:41:17 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:41:17 +0200 Subject: wifi and cdwriter problems In-Reply-To: <49D0E06A.5090001@gmail.com> References: <200903301202.04884.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D0E06A.5090001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903310841.18209.fluca1978@infinito.it> On Monday 30 March 2009 17:08:26 Dirk Freitag wrote: > > Depending on how dirty the laptop is, there could be dust on the > connectors for the hardware which is stopping the OS from seeing the > devices. Another possibility is if you have dropped the unit at all, > the connections could be loose. Or it could be just that the computer > is old, and the hardware is beginning to fail. How long have you had > this computer? And how long has this been happening to you? The laptop has one year and half, and it is used always in office, so in a enough clean environment. Please note that this is a dual boot pc, and with windows I don't have the above problems, never. I've seen these problems appearing after upgrading to 8.04, while with 7.1 everything was working fine, so I guess it is a problem with the current OS....but where?? Luca From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 06:42:44 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:42:44 +0300 Subject: I would like to participate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D1BB64.8020308@lab.vectoris.fr> Nay Myo Win wrote: > I mean i would like to be nominated as part of your team I dont think it's "on demand" that way. Just really take part by: - helping people in this mailing list - packaging for Ubuntu - solve bugd Then I think people will automagically notice your work, dont worry :-) -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Mar 31 06:43:57 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:57 +0200 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> On Monday 30 March 2009 18:18:26 Derek Broughton wrote: > Post your /etc/fstab - but I'd bet you _aren't_ using UUIDs to mount. This is my fstab file, and it is using UUID: # /dev/sda1 UUID=75b96c6a-8f27-486e-8abe-db0883d783e3 / reiserfs defaults 0 1 # /dev/sda2 UUID=8470e348-096a-4981-8f36-92ffed0fb100 /usr reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda5 UUID=e572c389-f7c3-477e-b89c-9e53fe27ec59 /opt reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda6 UUID=f4a78cd3-60d3-4cde-bc31-bf22f21d462b /var reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda7 UUID=c38347b0-5abe-4f51-a80f-9fd56ee20feb /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sda8 UUID=8c64280f-bfbc-43bb-9498-1d6419a9218b /boot reiserfs notail 0 2 # /dev/sda10 UUID=fc6b2a31-1b9c-4aad-ba3a-5e558d05e7d7 /backup/vari reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb1 UUID=d04961ce-1fed-4915-8483-3826185c8f5d /var/backups reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb2 UUID=e20f2fda-4005-41e7-85f7-7cf200aec8dd /backup/mail reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb3 UUID=3b400774-7fbd-438b-8c83-87c6e9a89191 /backup/prod reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb5 UUID=4888d23b-ff46-4d25-9d81-653e49f34ecc /backup/target reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb6 UUID=29ef64e2-fb55-4cb5-8d81-50cbf7f0305d /backup/ciclici reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb7 UUID=d65e5519-7e99-4f80-b539-02282ba26976 /backup/fotoceramica reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdb9 UUID=6b30d17a-eb66-456e-8f7d-5e7cca6b6e9b none swap sw 0 0 # /dev/sdc1 #UUID=f559b830-4d10-435c-a423-0c0cc00c8807 /backup/hydrojet reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc2 UUID=8c2b5dfd-309a-41c9-b5af-d94717487d93 /backup/firewall reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc3 UUID=ab00529c-6301-4c08-92b7-4cabf28780bc /backup/sede/vari reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc5 UUID=c508ac21-6448-4ce9-9d20-2ba6da405f04 /backup/coloriitaliani reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc6 = c5ad435f-295e-40f2-a7d8-18302877cbb0 UUID=f559b830-4d10-435c-a423-0c0cc00c8807 /backup/sede/vol1 reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc7 UUID=554f4d5c-6df8-4d91-a302-a2398dbd2209 /backup/mistral reiserfs defaults 0 2 # /dev/sdc8 UUID=a2a5824b-2dfe-4094-86a1-52ffabe5f1bf /backup/inkcid reiserfs defaults 0 2 However, almost all mount points under /backup are mixed at each boot. I've controlled this setting a file with the partition name on each partition, and I can see the partitions mixed after boot. Thanks, Luca From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 08:05:23 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:05:23 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> elmo wrote: >>> which printers are OK for ubuntu and which should be avoided.? >>> >> Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can >> choose from: >> >> ==HP >> ==HP >> and >> ==Hewlett-Packard > > Give us a break. I have a Samsung that works fine. But am I supposed to > say that's the only brand to buy? > > Matt Flaschen > OK then. I agree, Linux supports (nearly) any printer. It specifically supports printers that are not "host-based" and that follow common standards, like using Postscript or HP/GL. When it comes to non standard printers (i.e. not Postscript, not HP/GL, you can either use HP, which are VERY EASY to configure and also support fax and scan on most models OTB. Or you might use any other model that has support for Linux. And then you will quickly find that there are huge differences. Again, the HP Linux support effort is second to none. And I think they deserve the praise and they also deserve you to buy from them in order to motivate other brands to come up with just the same level of Linux support. Just have a look at this and you will know. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html Eberhard From oliver.marshall at g2support.com Tue Mar 31 08:07:12 2009 From: oliver.marshall at g2support.com (Oliver Marshall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:07:12 +0100 Subject: Splitting a file into different size chunks Message-ID: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> Hi chaps, I need to split a file in to pieces, but not all of the same size. I have a 20mb file, and I need to split the first 2MB in to one file, then the following 4MB in to another file, then the next 1MB in to another file, and discard the rest. Split only splits things in to chunks of the same size. Is there another command I can use to create chunks of varying sizes ? 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URL: From lmnicolosi at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 08:41:59 2009 From: lmnicolosi at gmail.com (Lucio M Nicolosi) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:41:59 -0300 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/31 Александр Горлов : > I am sorry, Could you please clarify which program should be used for skype > connection in UBUNTU > > Thanks, > Alex Please read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype -- Lucio M Nicolosi, Eng. - Sao Paulo - Brazil skype: lmnicolosi1 Lat.: 23°34'4.79"S - Long.: 46°39'59.53"W Linux Regist. User #481505 - http://counter.li.org/ From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 08:50:55 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:50:55 +0300 Subject: Splitting a file into different size chunks In-Reply-To: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> References: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> Message-ID: <49D1D96F.7030509@lab.vectoris.fr> dd? http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/dd-invocation.html -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be Tue Mar 31 09:10:12 2009 From: amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse (ubuntu)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:10:12 +0200 Subject: Splitting a file into different size chunks In-Reply-To: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> References: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> Message-ID: <49D1DDF4.3060705@amedee.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oliver Marshall schreef: > Hi chaps, > > I need to split a file in to pieces, but not all of the same size. I > have a 20mb file, and I need to split the first 2MB in to one file, > then the following 4MB in to another file, then the next 1MB in to > another file, and discard the rest. > > Split only splits things in to chunks of the same size. Is there > another command I can use to create chunks of varying sizes ? > > Olly I would split the file in 1 MB pieces, and then reassemble my chunks with cat. split -d -b 1MB file-to-split temp. cat temp.00 temp.01 > first-file-2MB cat temp.02 temp.03 temp.04 temp.05 > second-file-4MB mv temp.06 third-file-1MB rm temp.* I'm sure that there may be better solutions, but this one is simple to understand and it works. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknR3e8ACgkQxc/p9jmqUL5FCACgvjwl73MnMWA7FKMVwEobeEc3 ng8AoJSCpquSBbIrWTdL/qBVfwIZve1b =pwpq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 09:09:55 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:09:55 +0200 Subject: Splitting a file into different size chunks In-Reply-To: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> References: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> Message-ID: <200903311109.55986.kassube@gmx.net> Oliver Marshall wrote: > I need to split a file in to pieces, but not all of the same size. I > have a 20mb file, and I need to split the first 2MB in to one file, > then the following 4MB in to another file, then the next 1MB in to > another file, and discard the rest. dd if=inputfile of=outfile1 bs=1 count=2000000 dd if=inputfile of=outfile2 bs=1 count=4000000 skip=2000000 dd if=inputfile of=outfile3 bs=1 count=1000000 skip=6000000 Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 10:19:12 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:19:12 +0300 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> Message-ID: <880dece00903310319w4c115d3ag366fb789e14dac29@mail.gmail.com> > elmo wrote: >> which printers are OK for ubuntu  and which should be avoided.? >> > Well, as others said there are essentially three alternatives, you can > choose from: > > ==HP > ==HP > and > ==Hewlett-Packard > That is rather pessimistic. Anything postscript-compliant should work for basic printing. More advanced functions (two sided printing, for instance, or ink levels detection) will need specific drivers, though. Most non-Lexmark printers on the market today are postscript-compliant, and the ones that aren't postscript-compliant will print things wrong in many cases (on both Linux and Windows), as document formats such as PDF and Word (which is designed for creating documents for print, by the way) actually use postscript functions or mimic them internally. Therefore, if a printer won't work in Linux, it will likely print things wrong in Windows as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 10:29:01 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:29:01 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310319w4c115d3ag366fb789e14dac29@mail.gmail.com> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <880dece00903310319w4c115d3ag366fb789e14dac29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: Dotan, I perfectly agree with your postscript and business Lexmark printer observations, however.... Therefore, if a printer won't work in Linux, it > will likely print things wrong in Windows as well. > which world are you linving in? ;-) No offense intended, but there still are a multitude of printers that work well in Windows (especially those "host-printing" devices), which output nothing but garbage on Linux. Kind regards Eberhard From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 10:45:11 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:45:11 +0300 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <880dece00903310319w4c115d3ag366fb789e14dac29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903310345h4fa92045p13322a40d407e923@mail.gmail.com> > Therefore, if a printer won't work in Linux, it >> will likely print things wrong in Windows as well. >> > which world are you linving in? ;-) > Since our native world is a gas giant, we tend to habitat the moons primarily. My home is on Titan, but I frequent Rhea and Dione extensively. > No offense intended, but there still are a multitude of printers that > work well in Windows (especially those "host-printing" devices), which > output nothing but garbage on Linux. > I know that. But those printers have their own implementations of printer standards such as postscript. When the day comes that you need to troubleshoot why application XYZ prints fine, but project ABC can't print, you'll now know why. I really don't know the details (I'm mechanical engineering, not CS) but we both know what happens when an application uses it's own non-standard version of the "standards" (*cough*Internet Explorer*cough*). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Mar 31 10:46:24 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:46:24 +1100 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs Message-ID: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> Hi There. I have this odd problem: When I clone a VirtualBox VM, networking will not work in the clone. Specifically, there is no eth0 device! Some hints in Google led me to edit the file /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules to ignore VB MAC addresses. Now the eth0 device is always there, but the interface will not get an address via DHCP. If I give it a static address, restart networking and wait a minute, the static address, wait a while, the static address works, and if I then put it back to DHCP, that works too! The next step was to change the guest from type "Linux 2.6" to "Ubuntu". Now, mostly, the clones get addresses. But they often don't. Also, they don't seem to survive the host system sleeping and reawakening, though the host's networking subsystem recovers just fine. Restarting networking on the host doesn't work, not does restarting networking on the guest. Oddly enough, resetting the DHCP server seems (usually) to do the trick. Note that the original VM, the one that was cloned, *never* has problems. I'm stumped. I'd really like my VMs to "just work". I really don't want to have to separately install each one; I just want to be able to make one good one and clone it. Is anyone out there using cloned VirtualBox VMs successfully? If so, what did you do to make it work? BTW this is all with VirtualBox 2.1.4, using "host interface" network adaption. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jlblom at neuroweave.nl Tue Mar 31 11:02:32 2009 From: jlblom at neuroweave.nl (Joep L. Blom) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:02:32 +0200 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D1F848.3060207@neuroweave.nl> NoOp wrote: > On 03/29/2009 12:13 PM, David M. Karr wrote: >> Ok, I can see that there's one detail that I didn't specifically say >> here. I thought it was obvious, so I didn't mention it. I think it >> wasn't obvious to some of you. >> >> I'm not having trouble with clamav telling me what FILE a virus is in. >> The report is clear on that. The problem is that the IMAP INBOX file is >> a formatted file containing many email messages. What I'm looking for >> is some sort of ability to introspect into the mailbox format in the >> clamav report so that I can tell which email message contains the >> virus. I certainly am not going to run clamav in "auto-remove" mode, as >> it would remove my entire inbox. > > David, BitDefender for Unices, at least on POP3 mailbox files, will tell > you the exact msg number, the subject of the email(s), and the time > stamp on the email(s) within the file. I expect that it will do the same > for an IMAP file. I don't have an IMAP so I can't test. > > I just test scanned an email archive with both clamav and BitDefender; > result was that clamav identified 4 issues that supposedly contained: > 'Phishing.Heuistics.Email.SpoofedDomain and > Email.Phishing.DblDom-138' no trojans or viri found. ClamAV entirely > missed trojan signatures in the files. Further, clamav didn't provide > any further information beyond the file location and the above. > > BitDefender not only properly found folders with a trojan signature > ('Trojan.Iframe.AV'), but also identified exactly which emails within > the 17+MB file were at issue. I was then able to open up the file in > gedit, identify the the emails within the file by subject & time stamp, > and edit them out by hand. I could have of course opened the file in > SeaMonkey (my email client) and deleted them that way as I know the > exact msg numbers, subjects and times. I happen to know exactly what the > trojan signatures were/are in the archived email file as they were > emails that I had sent/received regarding that particular Iframe > exploit, so there was no false positive. > > I very much recommend exploring BitDefender - see my post to Leonard in > this thread for links etc. You can use cli or gui, set cron scans, scan > incoming on Evolution, Pine, etc., use scripts, scan across Samba, etc. > It's (IMO) worth a look. 32bit and 64bit versions are available. > Disclaimer: I also use BD comercial licenses to scan Windows servers for > my customers for years, and my personal use machines (linux and > windows); beyond that I've no other relationship with BD. > > Noop, I followed your advice and obtained bitdefender. After scanning my mailfolder it detected 8 Trojans in my junk and Trash folder, which I think was to be expected. However, I said then to quarantaine thes viruses with the result that he quarantined my whole mailbox (I'm using Thunderbird) but also removed 3 folders without viruses. I assume thunderbird has some problems with it but do you know how to 'unquarantine' these folders? Especially one of them (Home) holds E-mails I have to respond to today!! I tried to open the quarantained files with thunderbird but that didn't work (neither worked Evolution). Hope you can help me out!! Joep From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 11:03:15 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:03:15 +0200 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310345h4fa92045p13322a40d407e923@mail.gmail.com> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <880dece00903310319w4c115d3ag366fb789e14dac29@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00903310345h4fa92045p13322a40d407e923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Therefore, if a printer won't work in Linux, it >>> will likely print things wrong in Windows as well. >>> >> which world are you linving in? ;-) >> > > Since our native world is a gas giant, we tend to habitat the moons > primarily. My home is on Titan, but I frequent Rhea and Dione > extensively. > Dotan, your humour is always so..... Well, I simply love it!!! >> No offense intended, but there still are a multitude of printers that >> work well in Windows (especially those "host-printing" devices), which >> output nothing but garbage on Linux. >> > > I know that. But those printers have their own implementations of > printer standards such as postscript. When the day comes that you need > to troubleshoot why application XYZ prints fine, but project ABC can't > print, you'll now know why. I really don't know the details (I'm > mechanical engineering, not CS) but we both know what happens when an > application uses it's own non-standard version of the "standards" > (*cough*Internet Explorer*cough*). And again, also this is derfinitely not funny, at least not for windows lovers, I appreciate your explanation and could not agree more! Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 11:07:44 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:07:44 +0200 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs In-Reply-To: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> Message-ID: Karl Auer wrote: > > I'm stumped. I'd really like my VMs to "just work". I really don't want > to have to separately install each one; I just want to be able to make > one good one and clone it. > > Is anyone out there using cloned VirtualBox VMs successfully? If so, > what did you do to make it work? > > BTW this is all with VirtualBox 2.1.4, using "host interface" network > adaption. > > Regards, K. > > Karl (the other Karl ;-) ), just a wild guess: Does your network connectivity improve, if you click on "generate" at the network card MAC address configuration? Kind regards Eberhard From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 11:19:28 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:19:28 -0600 Subject: Wireless card issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D1FC40.70003@gmail.com> Jose Rodriguez wrote: > Hello all Ubuntu users! > > Im this close of shooting myself with this problem that i have. I hope > someone can help me. > > I have a HP Pavillion dv2000. I have a Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. > > A long time ago i asked someone to install Ubuntu 8.04 in my computer along > with Windows Vista. He told me that he couldn't configure the wireless card > but for my surprise when i got it home it was working perfectly. > > Then, i downloaded a kernel (2.6.27.7) because i wanted to test some stuff > in it. Bad luck! Kernel 2.6.27.7 has a problem one which keeps the WiFi from working. Use another kernel and your WiFi will work again. Karl > Right now i need my wireless card to work on i this kernel i > downloaded. Im not very good at linux so i searched online and i found these > links > > http://jorgemorales.com.mx/como-activar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312-en-ubuntu/ > https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/ndiswrapper.html > http://linuxsix.blogspot.com/2009/01/instalar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312.html > http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/driver-oficiales-broadcom-bcm4311-bcm4312-bcm4321-bcm4322 > http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Graphics_cards_and_displays > > NONE of them have worked..!!!!!! I even try using WINE like i read in some > email i got for the Ubuntu Users mailing list. > > So, is there any way that i can copy some files from one kernel to another > and compile them or something like that so i can make it work????? Im out > ideas here people!! > > Im currently using Ubuntu 8.04 (2.6.24-3), that's the good kernel. > > Hope i can get some help from you guys. Thanxs a lot..!!!!!!! > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 11:44:34 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:44:34 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers Message-ID: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is therefore not approved by HP. What they were saying is the computer they find the information from has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Mar 31 11:45:53 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:45:53 +1100 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs In-Reply-To: References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> Message-ID: <1238499953.6605.291.camel@karl> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 13:07 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > I'm stumped. I'd really like my VMs to "just work". I really don't want > > to have to separately install each one; I just want to be able to make > > one good one and clone it. > just a wild guess: > Does your network connectivity improve, if you click on "generate" at > the network card MAC address configuration? I haven't tried it. Each VM has a different MAc address, if that's what you are thinking. As far as I can tell, "generate" does nothing except generate a new MAC address with a random bottom 6 digits. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From texas.chef94 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 07:56:11 2009 From: texas.chef94 at gmail.com (allen meyers) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:56:11 -0500 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 05:44 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. > > Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended > with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is > therefore not approved by HP. > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 Karl: Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I have been with HP 10 years. http://h20331.www2.hp.com/hpsub/cache/286526-0-0-225-121.html > > From denis at haskinferguson.net Tue Mar 31 12:02:56 2009 From: denis at haskinferguson.net (Denis Haskin) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:02:56 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> That's a pretty strong statement. Unless you specifically bought a laptop from them with Ubuntu and your support contract said they would support Ubuntu on it, I'm not sure why you would have expected any other outcome than you got. dwh Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. > > Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended > with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is > therefore not approved by HP. > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:03:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:03:37 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903310503v7294f3e8l7b403ef999d0a741@mail.gmail.com> >    I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. > >    Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended > with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is > therefore not approved by HP. > >    What they were saying is the computer they find the information from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > >    So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > My experience in installing Ubuntu / Fedora on HPs is no different than any other machine. What wifi chipset has the laptop? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From pegngary at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:04:19 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:04:19 -0600 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903301155t6bad6973k4137d840e120592d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903301155t6bad6973k4137d840e120592d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Robert Parker wrote: > 2009/3/31 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > Just upgraded to 8.10 and skype says there is a problem with audio > > playback. I tried changing options under preferences/sound without > > success. I am using a Dell Inspiron 600m which has an integrated sound > > card. > > > Pulseaudio is fubarred in 8.10 so first of all you need to fix that as > instructed here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 > > You need to read the above fairly carefully. > > Then you must configure Skype. > Sign in using your user name and open up the Main Menu (the 'S' at the > bottom left of the Skype window). > Select Options -> Sound Devices. > > You need to select for Sound In, Sound Out, and Ringing > > Probably the best starting point would be 'pulse' for all 3 but on my > system what worked was: > > Sound In -> HDA Intel (hw:Intel,0) > Sound Out -> pulse > Ringing -> pulse > > Try the "Make a test sound" and "Make a test call" buttons whilst > changing the above options until you find a combination that works. > > HTH, > Bob Parker > -- > In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! > Ok until I get to the this instruction: Open the PulseAudio Volume Control application ("pavucontrol", or you can launch "Applications/Sound & Video/PulseAudio Device Chooser" and select Volume Control from this applet's menu). In the Output Devices section you will see a listing of the playback devices available on your system. Right-click on the entry that you desire to be made the default playback device on your system and enable the "Default" checkmark. Similarly, navigate to Input Devices, then right-click on the device you wish to set as your default input device (microphone), and ensure the "Default" setting is checked. Close the application when you're finished. There is no 'output section' that I can find. Tried every option. Am I missing something? gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 31 12:04:14 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:04:14 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D206BE.1070805@ercbroadband.org> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > What a giant load of crap. What the hell does that have to do with HP? That is quite obviously a problem with Vista and not a problem with HP. I have run HP and Compaq systems for /years/ with virtually every flavor of linux imaginable and I've never had any trouble out of them aside from the occasional pain of hardware drivers. But that is a common problem with any hardware, not just HP. Seriously, Karl, read what you just posted and tell me it's an HP problem? If /Vista/ is shutting down the wireless radio then don't you think running XP on it would have the same trouble? Probably not. Not to mention you can usually turn the radio back on in linux as well as Windows. And I'm sure you can keep the radio on in Vista as well, although I'm not sure of the exact method since to me Vista is an abortion of an OS. In fact, this email was written on virtually the same system as you have say above, IN LINUX, and my wireless is fine. I say again, IT IS NOT AN HP PROBLEM. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:08:02 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:08:02 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903310508y1da66004vff5948a1081788a@mail.gmail.com> >    Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. By the way, _this_ is the right way to promote Linux! Let the manufacturers know that there is interest in Linux and they will start supporting it. Great job, Karl, and even if it did not turn fruit this time, if we continue to ask for Linux support the manufacturers will see that there is a market. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:10:49 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:10:49 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D206BE.1070805@ercbroadband.org> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D206BE.1070805@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <880dece00903310510nc8fce86ha862377492c3fb37@mail.gmail.com> > I say again, IT IS NOT AN HP PROBLEM. > While in general I agree, there is the point that our preferred OS is being ignored by our favorite manufacturers. I'm actually with Karl on this one, as he contacted the vendor, found out that they do not support Linux, then told the list that the vendor in question does not support our OS. That is completely on topic and it is good advice for those of us in the market for a computer. If HP wants to sell me a laptop, they better support my OS. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:12:21 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:12:21 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> Message-ID: <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> > That's a pretty strong statement.  Unless you specifically bought a laptop > from them with Ubuntu and your support contract said they would support > Ubuntu on it, I'm not sure why you would have expected any other outcome > than you got. > Actually, he got the expected outcome. However, now the hundreds of ubuntu-users list members know to avoid HP computers. When HP decides that they want our business, let them first support the OS that we intend to run. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From swapnil at pisces.net.in Tue Mar 31 12:14:34 2009 From: swapnil at pisces.net.in (Swapnil Jain) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:44:34 +0530 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06598760-D82B-4A6E-8E38-98E68A426B40@pisces.net.in> ubuntu works well on all laptops, previously i had HP nx6110 and i had no problem with ubuntu 8.04 and now 8.10 on my new apple macbook, it works very fine. -------------------------------- Swapnil Jain 91-9893040840 -------------------------------- E-mail: swapnil at pisces.net.in GTalk : swapnil at pisces.net.in Skype : sj1410 YIM : sj1410 On 31-Mar-09, at 5:14 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving > of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi > from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. > > Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended > with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is > therefore not approved by HP. > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information > from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 12:14:47 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:14:47 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D20937.3070509@lab.vectoris.fr> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP.[...] > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. They dont support MacOS either, nor FreeBSD,... After Sale Linux support is not a real criterion about a brand. -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From anthony.rasat at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:18:16 2009 From: anthony.rasat at gmail.com (Anthony M. Rasat) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:18:16 +0000 Subject: Don't buy HP computers Message-ID: <1159501664-1238501908-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1981349876-@bxe1008.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Karl F. Larsen: >The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. I came to this exact situation some time ago. Not a HP, though. It is a Windows behaviour, turning off Wifi soft switch on shutdown. Since it is a Windows behaviour, it can be modified using Windows thingy, the registry hacks. Unfortunately, I can't find the references I was having back then. >Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended >with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is >therefore not approved by HP. Can't really blame them. Perhaps even HP's Windows technician may never encounter such thing, let alone customer support people. >So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. Well I won't go that far. It is a Windows thingy, the other can complaint to Microsoft (good luck with that) or find a workaround. -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Selatan 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com ****************************************** *** Hai, saya virus. Tolong copy saya dong. **** ****************************************** From samp at arial-concept.com Tue Mar 31 12:19:10 2009 From: samp at arial-concept.com (Sam Przyswa) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:19:10 +0200 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D20A3E.2040001@arial-concept.com> Hi ! I know that since a long time even for Windows use. Sam. Karl F. Larsen a écrit : > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. > > Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended > with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is > therefore not approved by HP. > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information from > has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > > -- Sam Przyswa - Chef de projet Email: samp at arial-concept.com Arial Concept - Intégrateur Internet 36, rue de Turin - 75008 - Paris - France Tel: 01 40 54 86 04 - Fax: 01 40 54 83 01 Fax privé: 09 57 12 27 22 Skype ID: arial-concept Web: http://www.arial-concept.com From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:30:05 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:30:05 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310503v7294f3e8l7b403ef999d0a741@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <880dece00903310503v7294f3e8l7b403ef999d0a741@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D20CCD.6010004@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of >> partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta >> installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from >> working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista >> when you stop it. >> >> Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended >> with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is >> therefore not approved by HP. >> >> What they were saying is the computer they find the information from >> has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. >> >> So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. >> >> >> Karl >> >> > > My experience in installing Ubuntu / Fedora on HPs is no different > than any other machine. What wifi chipset has the laptop? > > It is the Ateros and it works fine if you can turn it on. Windows turns it off when you turn off windows. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 12:34:24 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:34:24 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <1159501664-1238501908-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1981349876-@bxe1008.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> References: <1159501664-1238501908-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1981349876-@bxe1008.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49D20DD0.6050104@lab.vectoris.fr> Anthony M. Rasat wrote: > Perhaps even HP's Windows technician may never encounter such thing, People not even knowing Linux exits really are! -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 12:37:19 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:37:19 +0200 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs In-Reply-To: <1238499953.6605.291.camel@karl> References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> <1238499953.6605.291.camel@karl> Message-ID: Karl Auer wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 13:07 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> I'm stumped. I'd really like my VMs to "just work". I really don't want >>> to have to separately install each one; I just want to be able to make >>> one good one and clone it. >> just a wild guess: >> Does your network connectivity improve, if you click on "generate" at >> the network card MAC address configuration? > > I haven't tried it. Each VM has a different MAc address, if that's what > you are thinking. As far as I can tell, "generate" does nothing except > generate a new MAC address with a random bottom 6 digits. > > Regards, K. > > sure, it does. OTOH MACs originally are tied to vendor specific numbers. For lack of a better idea, I would just try and see. ;-)) Fwiw: I recently transfered an LTSP Server VM based on Xubuntu from Kubuntu to virtualbox on Win XP and it worked greatly. But as the xml files on win and lin are differently formatted, I only transfered the vmdisk and I configured the rest of the virtual pc manually, according to the pattern that I had on Linux. There is also a "host interface" network card involved, that gets dhcp from an external dhcp server, but again, all the peripherals were newly created. Eberhard From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:45:41 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:45:41 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <49D21075.5030605@gmail.com> allen meyers wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 05:44 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of >> partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta >> installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from >> working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista >> when you stop it. >> >> Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both ended >> with statements that Linux has not been tested on this computer and is >> therefore not approved by HP. >> >> What they were saying is the computer they find the information from >> has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers available. >> >> So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. >> >> >> Karl >> >> -- >> >> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI >> Linux User >> #450462 http://counter.li.org. >> PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 >> > Karl: > Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP > notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I > have been with HP 10 years. > http://h20331.www2.hp.com/hpsub/cache/286526-0-0-225-121.html > > >> > > > Well my problem is a laptop. The thrust of your company in Linux has been with your work stations with Red Hat. I was not aware of this and the HP people I worked with were not aware of this work it appears. I doubt a driver CD for work stations will give me what I need. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 31 12:58:00 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> That's a pretty strong statement. Unless you specifically bought a laptop >> from them with Ubuntu and your support contract said they would support >> Ubuntu on it, I'm not sure why you would have expected any other outcome >> than you got. >> > > Actually, he got the expected outcome. > > However, now the hundreds of ubuntu-users list members know to avoid > HP computers. When HP decides that they want our business, let them > first support the OS that we intend to run. > I totally disagree. If anyone has recently purchased a DELL with Ubuntu, they don't really support it either. I will see if I can dig up that post I saw about Dell but they /install/ it but that doesn't mean they really /support/ it. I avoid Dell like the plague. I have had nothing but pain from them for laptops/desktops, but my HPs/Compaq's have been running FLAWLESSLY for years now. In fact, I have one HP (my MP3 jukebox) has an uptime of over 4 years now. If you avoid EVERY vendor who won't support linux you'll end up either being without a computer or having to build your own. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 12:40:24 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:40:24 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20CCD.6010004@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <880dece00903310503v7294f3e8l7b403ef999d0a741@mail.gmail.com> <49D20CCD.6010004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D20F38.5030308@lab.vectoris.fr> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > It is the Ateros and it works fine if you can turn it on. Windows > turns it off when you turn off windows. So, you should review the initial assumption: "Dont use Windows" ;-) -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From larryesu at charter.net Tue Mar 31 13:05:36 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:05:36 -0500 Subject: How to change the Screen resolution on ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49CE3AF1.6010401@charter.net> References: <49CE3AF1.6010401@charter.net> Message-ID: <49D21520.2030800@charter.net> Larry Shields wrote: > *I have downloaded the iso for ubuntu 9.04, which went very well... > > My problem is that in the System>preferences> there is no screen > resolution being shown as it does in intrepid... > > So does anyone know where it is or how to change the default, to > 1024x768...??? > > Any help on this would be appreciated... > > Thanks Larry > * > > *I a going to reply to my own msg...I found that in the system>preferences instead of showing screen resolution, it has been changed to DISPLAY!...I really could not see it before for the text was to small for me to read... So I now have it set as 1024x768, but it will not save it, guess you need to be root, but how can one do that...??? Thanks for any help on this matter... Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 8.10 Intrepid 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:07:07 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:07:07 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <880dece00903310607x40c2b516me1140f6c525d572c@mail.gmail.com> > I totally disagree.  If anyone has recently purchased a DELL with > Ubuntu, they don't really support it either.  I will see if I can dig up > that post I saw about Dell but they /install/ it but that doesn't mean > they really /support/ it. > Other than hardware support, I would never call Dell for support. I do own some Dell equipment, such as the x50v handheld and an Inspiron laptop. Both are fecal matter, though. > I avoid Dell like the plague. I have had nothing but pain from them for > laptops/desktops, but my HPs/Compaq's have been running FLAWLESSLY for > years now.  In fact, I have one HP (my MP3 jukebox) has an uptime of > over 4 years now. > My power company doesn't even have that kind of uptime! I know that HP is a good company, and I have HP equipment (just a printer at the moment) but the point is that they do not support Ubuntu, the focus of this mailing list. > If you avoid EVERY vendor who won't support linux you'll end up either > being without a computer or having to build your own. > Er, I do build my own desktops. Laptops are another story. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:08:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:08:37 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20F38.5030308@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <880dece00903310503v7294f3e8l7b403ef999d0a741@mail.gmail.com> <49D20CCD.6010004@gmail.com> <49D20F38.5030308@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00903310608le7029e3j52b7fbf8157f1d40@mail.gmail.com> > So, you should review the initial assumption: "Dont use Windows" > ;-) > Only thieves and mosquitoes use Windows. Everybody else uses the door. Who's with me on starting up a Linux distro called Door? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From madanabhat27 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:26:15 2009 From: madanabhat27 at gmail.com (madanabhat27 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:26:15 +0000 Subject: Don't buy HP computers Message-ID: <1774120935-1238505976-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-438898705-@bxe1084.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> I'm with you Dotan count me in ------Original Message------ From: Dotan Cohen Sender: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com To: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support ReplyTo: Not for general discussions Ubuntu user technical support Subject: Re: Don't buy HP computers Sent: Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM > So, you should review the initial assumption: "Dont use Windows" > ;-) > Only thieves and mosquitoes use Windows. Everybody else uses the door. Who's with me on starting up a Linux distro called Door? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Tue Mar 31 13:30:18 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:30:18 +0200 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> I strongly agree that it's a good idea to let vendors/manufacturers know that there are people out here who are interested in machines that work with Linux (or *BSD or ...). Nevertheless... Dotan Cohen: >> That's a pretty strong statement. Unless you specifically bought a laptop >> from them with Ubuntu and your support contract said they would support >> Ubuntu on it, I'm not sure why you would have expected any other outcome >> than you got. >> > > Actually, he got the expected outcome. > > However, now the hundreds of ubuntu-users list members know to avoid > HP computers. ... no, they don't know that they should avoid HP, because 1. It's not surprising news that there's no Linux support for this machine. Otherwise, it very likely would have been advertised. 2. There's a major difference between Linux not being *supported* by the manufacturer and Linux not *working* on a specific machine (I don't doubt that Karl is right on the former but I don't consider Karl's statement on the latter as trustworthy information). 3. "Thou shalt not buy any machine from XYZ because I have found a particular one from XYZ that doesn't work with Linux" (let's assume it really doesn't) is simply nonsense. 4. At best, people now know that Karl may have a specific problem with a specific HP machine in a specific dual-boot scenario with Vista. But they do *not* know whether this problem is caused by the machine, Karl, Vista or something else. Nor do they know if no-one can fix it or if just Karl is not able to. > When HP decides that they want our business, let them > first support the OS that we intend to run. Again: Should we let vendors/manufacturers know that we want to run Linux on their machines? Absolutely! Should we check if Linux *works* on the machine we intend to to buy before we buy it? Absolutely! Should we let manufacturers know that we didn't buy one of their machines because Linux didn't *work* on it? Absolutely! Should we base our decision which machine to buy on the availability of Linux *support*? Let everyone decide this on his specific needs. If you really want to do so, be prepared that your choice will be very limited and be prepared to pay for it one way or the other. BTW: Lenovo/IBM doesn't provide Linux *support* for my T60. Nevertheless it *works* like a charm running Linux. Regards mks From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Tue Mar 31 13:33:04 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:33:04 -0400 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Monday 30 March 2009 18:18:26 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Post your /etc/fstab - but I'd bet you _aren't_ using UUIDs to mount. > > > This is my fstab file, and it is using UUID: > > # /dev/sda1 > UUID=75b96c6a-8f27-486e-8abe-db0883d783e3 / reiserfs defaults > 0 1 > # /dev/sda2 > UUID=8470e348-096a-4981-8f36-92ffed0fb100 /usr reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda5 > UUID=e572c389-f7c3-477e-b89c-9e53fe27ec59 /opt reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda6 > UUID=f4a78cd3-60d3-4cde-bc31-bf22f21d462b /var reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda7 > UUID=c38347b0-5abe-4f51-a80f-9fd56ee20feb /home reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sda8 > UUID=8c64280f-bfbc-43bb-9498-1d6419a9218b /boot reiserfs notail > 0 2 > # /dev/sda10 > UUID=fc6b2a31-1b9c-4aad-ba3a-5e558d05e7d7 /backup/vari reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > > # /dev/sdb1 > UUID=d04961ce-1fed-4915-8483-3826185c8f5d /var/backups reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdb2 > UUID=e20f2fda-4005-41e7-85f7-7cf200aec8dd /backup/mail reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdb3 > UUID=3b400774-7fbd-438b-8c83-87c6e9a89191 /backup/prod reiserfs defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdb5 > UUID=4888d23b-ff46-4d25-9d81-653e49f34ecc /backup/target reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdb6 > UUID=29ef64e2-fb55-4cb5-8d81-50cbf7f0305d /backup/ciclici reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdb7 > UUID=d65e5519-7e99-4f80-b539-02282ba26976 /backup/fotoceramica reiserfs > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdb9 > UUID=6b30d17a-eb66-456e-8f7d-5e7cca6b6e9b none swap sw > 0 0 > > # /dev/sdc1 > #UUID=f559b830-4d10-435c-a423-0c0cc00c8807 /backup/hydrojet reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdc2 > UUID=8c2b5dfd-309a-41c9-b5af-d94717487d93 /backup/firewall reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > # /dev/sdc3 > UUID=ab00529c-6301-4c08-92b7-4cabf28780bc /backup/sede/vari reiserfs > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdc5 > UUID=c508ac21-6448-4ce9-9d20-2ba6da405f04 /backup/coloriitaliani reiserfs > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdc6 = c5ad435f-295e-40f2-a7d8-18302877cbb0 > UUID=f559b830-4d10-435c-a423-0c0cc00c8807 /backup/sede/vol1 reiserfs > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdc7 > UUID=554f4d5c-6df8-4d91-a302-a2398dbd2209 /backup/mistral reiserfs > defaults 0 2 > # /dev/sdc8 > UUID=a2a5824b-2dfe-4094-86a1-52ffabe5f1bf /backup/inkcid reiserfs defaults > 0 2 > > > However, almost all mount points under /backup are mixed at each boot. > I've controlled this setting a file with the partition name on each partition, > and I can see the partitions mixed after boot. > > Thanks, > Luca > Well, umm, simply put, 'that's impossible,' And I'm pretty sure I know what the word means :) The large and confusing number of partitions might make it difficult to spot where the confusion is happening, so please bare with me. I would like the output of the following commands. (I'm omitting the sudo, but use that if you aren't already root.) Preferably, I would like the output from two different boots where the filesystems supposedly got switched. It would also help if you can give an example of mounted filesystems that got changed around on that boot. blkid mount ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -lh ls /dev/disk/by-id/ -lh From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:37:14 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:14 +0300 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> >> However, now the hundreds of ubuntu-users list members know to avoid >> HP computers. > > ... no, they don't know that they should avoid HP, because > 1. It's not surprising news that there's no Linux support for this > machine. Otherwise, it very likely would have been advertised. Agreed. > 2. There's a major difference between Linux not being *supported* by the > manufacturer and Linux not *working* on a specific machine (I don't > doubt that Karl is right on the former but I don't consider Karl's > statement on the latter as trustworthy information). Agreed. None of my machines are supported by the manufacturer. > 3. "Thou shalt not buy any machine from XYZ because I have found a > particular one from XYZ that doesn't work with Linux" (let's assume it > really doesn't) is simply nonsense. That works for rational people, and as personal policy I agree. However, if you want to influence a company you do not do so with rational. You do so with money. Influencing a large population to abstain from a company's product is losing them money. > 4. At best, people now know that Karl may have a specific problem with a > specific HP machine in a specific dual-boot scenario with Vista. But > they do *not* know whether this problem is caused by the machine, Karl, > Vista or something else. Nor do they know if no-one can fix it or if > just Karl is not able to. > They also know that HP has no interest in the subject of this mailing list (Ubuntu Linux). Which was the point of this thread. > Again: > Should we let vendors/manufacturers know that we want to run Linux on > their machines? Absolutely! > Should we check if Linux *works* on the machine we intend to to buy > before we buy it? Absolutely! > Should we let manufacturers know that we didn't buy one of their > machines because Linux didn't *work* on it? Absolutely! > Should we base our decision which machine to buy on the availability of > Linux *support*? Let everyone decide this on his specific needs. If you > really want to do so, be prepared that your choice will be very limited > and be prepared to pay for it one way or the other. > I agree with every point. > BTW: Lenovo/IBM doesn't provide Linux *support* for my T60. Nevertheless > it *works* like a charm running Linux. > As does my Dell (bought before they came with Linux). But that is not the point. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:38:29 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:38:29 -0500 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    So don't let me set up HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. There, I fixed that for you ;) Chris From raquel at thericehouse.net Tue Mar 31 13:47:54 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:47:54 -0700 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090331064754.3a948d27.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:44:34 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary > moving of partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and > 9.04Beta installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that > kept WiFi from working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is > turned off by Vista when you stop it. > > Contacted HP both by email and on a live chat devise. Both > ended with statements that Linux has not been tested on this > computer and is therefore not approved by HP. > > What they were saying is the computer they find the information > from has nothing in it about Linux. There is no Linux drivers > available. > > So don't buy HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. > > > Karl > Ubuntu 8.10 works quite well on my brand new HP laptop. However, I had to spend the time in research and figuring out why it didn't work in the beginning. You have to be willing to do that too, but that doesn't seem to be the case. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted. --Bertrand Russell From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:48:53 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:48:53 -0400 Subject: wifi and cdwriter problems In-Reply-To: <200903310841.18209.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <200903301202.04884.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D0E06A.5090001@gmail.com> <200903310841.18209.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <49D21F45.2040809@gmail.com> Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Monday 30 March 2009 17:08:26 Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Depending on how dirty the laptop is, there could be dust on the >> connectors for the hardware which is stopping the OS from seeing the >> devices. Another possibility is if you have dropped the unit at all, >> the connections could be loose. Or it could be just that the computer >> is old, and the hardware is beginning to fail. How long have you had >> this computer? And how long has this been happening to you? > > The laptop has one year and half, and it is used always in office, so in a > enough clean environment. Please note that this is a dual boot pc, and with > windows I don't have the above problems, never. I've seen these problems > appearing after upgrading to 8.04, while with 7.1 everything was working fine, > so I guess it is a problem with the current OS....but where?? > > > Luca > Do a lspci and paste the out to www.pastebin.com using the forever option. Then provide us the link to the paste. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 31 13:50:16 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:16 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310607x40c2b516me1140f6c525d572c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net><880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com><49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> <880dece00903310607x40c2b516me1140f6c525d572c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D21F98.9060003@ercbroadband.org> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I totally disagree. If anyone has recently purchased a DELL with >> Ubuntu, they don't really support it either. I will see if I can dig up >> that post I saw about Dell but they /install/ it but that doesn't mean >> they really /support/ it. >> > > Other than hardware support, I would never call Dell for support. I do > own some Dell equipment, such as the x50v handheld and an Inspiron > laptop. Both are fecal matter, though. > >> I avoid Dell like the plague. I have had nothing but pain from them for >> laptops/desktops, but my HPs/Compaq's have been running FLAWLESSLY for >> years now. In fact, I have one HP (my MP3 jukebox) has an uptime of >> over 4 years now. >> > > My power company doesn't even have that kind of uptime! I know that HP > is a good company, and I have HP equipment (just a printer at the > moment) but the point is that they do not support Ubuntu, the focus of > this mailing list. That's true, but neither does Dell support ubuntu either. Which is of course, my point. > >> If you avoid EVERY vendor who won't support linux you'll end up either >> being without a computer or having to build your own. >> > > Er, I do build my own desktops. Laptops are another story. > I do too. The Compaq I have is one purchased by the company. I recently bought an Asus Eee which has ubuntu, but is quickly getting gentoo on it. But the last actual system I purchased was an Alienware laptop bought just before Dell bought them (and subsequently killed them). -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 13:56:54 2009 From: Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net (Detlef Lechner) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:56:54 +0200 Subject: What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? Message-ID: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? Regards Detlef Lechner From bsilver at chrononomicon.com Tue Mar 31 14:02:12 2009 From: bsilver at chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:02:12 -0400 Subject: What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49D22264.90100@chrononomicon.com> Detlef Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath > (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: > Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of > mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced > number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, > group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." > What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? Maybe it doesn't stand for anything. http://www.dictionary.net/sage From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Tue Mar 31 14:04:04 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:04:04 +0200 Subject: What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> > http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath > (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: > Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of > mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced > number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, > group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." > What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? Probably refers to the French word which means "wise man", which is sometimes used when talking of antic era versatile geniuses, who pionnered mathematics as well as philosophy, astronomy, anatomy, engineering... -- Vince From skipfed9 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:18:15 2009 From: skipfed9 at gmail.com (Skip Fed9) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:18:15 -0400 Subject: Compaq TC1100 running 8.10 won't boot after updates. Message-ID: Hey all! First, thank you for any insight you can contribute. I am trying to decide what my next steps are. I have a Compaq [hp] TC1100 tablet that has been running 8.04 and then a fresh install of 8.10 beautifully - till the updates last night. I chose download and install last night, went to the gym, came back to a Updates Installed message and a locked PC. C-A-B didn't restart x - so I did a hard power down. The machine is a tablet without a attached DVD drive [it is USB] etc. so the only disk to boot from is the hard disk. Upon booting this morning I get [roughly]: Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 Starting up. . . Ata1.00:exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 Ata1.00 . . . Bmdma stat 0x5 Ata1.00 . . . Media error Ata1.00 . . . DRDY Err Ata1.00 . . . Error: UNC [above repeats 5 times I believe] Loading please wait. . . 19+0 records in 19+0 records out Kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by-uuid/d68382. . .) = dev(8,5) Kinit: trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/d68382a0. . . Kinit: No resume imate, doing normal boot Mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/d683823. . .on /root Failed: Invalid argument Mount: mounting /root/dev on /dev/ .static/dev failed: No such file or directory Mount: mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory Mount: mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory Target filesystem doesn’t have /sbin/init. No init found. Try passing init=bootarg BusyBox v1.10.2 (Ubunto 1:1.10.2-1ubuntu7) built-in shell (ash) Enter’help’ for a list of built in commands. 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It will change to green. Step3: Turn OFF Windows. When clear off take your finger off the red/green button. At this time the WiFi hardware is STILL TURNED ON! Step4. Go to where there is WiFi and try a Linux. It will come right up and work fine. Step5: Never start Vista again. I plan to write this in my file "remember this". Karl From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:30:04 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:30:04 +0300 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00903310730j2b38f585k6a9f0db2584b658f@mail.gmail.com> >    I plan to write this in my file "remember this". > Use this app, it's great: http://zim-wiki.org/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From jan.welker at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:33:37 2009 From: jan.welker at gmail.com (Jan Welker) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:33:37 +0200 Subject: Allow regular users to switch profiles in network manager Message-ID: <249f36a20903310733q4dbe8a4bld128839be3398713@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, I wonder if there is a way to allow non admin users to switch network profiles in Network-Manager. I would like to predefine some profiles and then let the users decide which profile/location they want to use. I am using Ubuntu 8.04.2. Any ideas? Thanks, Jan From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:43:11 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:43:11 -0400 Subject: How to change the Screen resolution on ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49D21520.2030800@charter.net> References: <49CE3AF1.6010401@charter.net> <49D21520.2030800@charter.net> Message-ID: <49D22BFF.5000908@gmail.com> Larry Shields wrote: > Larry Shields wrote: >> *I have downloaded the iso for ubuntu 9.04, which went very well... >> >> My problem is that in the System>preferences> there is no screen >> resolution being shown as it does in intrepid... >> >> So does anyone know where it is or how to change the default, to >> 1024x768...??? >> >> Any help on this would be appreciated... >> >> Thanks Larry >> * >> >> > *I a going to reply to my own msg...I found that in the > system>preferences instead of showing screen resolution, it has been > changed to DISPLAY!...I really could not see it before for the text was > to small for me to read... > > So I now have it set as 1024x768, but it will not save it, guess you > need to be root, but how can one do that...??? > > Thanks for any help on this matter... > > Larry > * > I dont know why it would require that you be root, but if you want to try it, you can right click on the menu, and select "edit menus". A window will pop up with the menu structure for Applications and System. Click on "Preferences" and to the right all the menu options under Preferences will come up. Click once on Display, and select the properties button to the right. You will see an option for "command". Add "gksu" before whatever is currently in there. Close out of the edit menus, and try. When you click on the icon, it should prompt you for the sudo password. Type it in, and make your changes and see if it saves it. Let us know. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From joheiker at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:57:05 2009 From: joheiker at gmail.com (Jose Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:27:05 +1930 Subject: Wireless card issue Message-ID: > > Jose Rodriguez wrote: > > Hello all Ubuntu users! > > > > Im this close of shooting myself with this problem that i have. I hope > > someone can help me. > > > > I have a HP Pavillion dv2000. I have a Broadcom BCM4312 wireless card. > > > > A long time ago i asked someone to install Ubuntu 8.04 in my computer > along > > with Windows Vista. He told me that he couldn't configure the wireless > card > > but for my surprise when i got it home it was working perfectly. > > > > Then, i downloaded a kernel (2.6.27.7) because i wanted to test some > stuff > > in it. > Bad luck! Kernel 2.6.27.7 has a problem one which keeps the WiFi > from working. Use another kernel and your WiFi will work again. > > > > Karl > > > > > > Right now i need my wireless card to work on i this kernel i > > downloaded. Im not very good at linux so i searched online and i found > these > > links > > > > > http://jorgemorales.com.mx/como-activar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312-en-ubuntu/ > > https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/ndiswrapper.html > > > http://linuxsix.blogspot.com/2009/01/instalar-broadcom-corporation-bcm4312.html > > > http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/driver-oficiales-broadcom-bcm4311-bcm4312-bcm4321-bcm4322 > > http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html > > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Graphics_cards_and_displays > > > > NONE of them have worked..!!!!!! I even try using WINE like i read in > some > > email i got for the Ubuntu Users mailing list. > > > > So, is there any way that i can copy some files from one kernel to > another > > and compile them or something like that so i can make it work????? Im out > > ideas here people!! > > > > Im currently using Ubuntu 8.04 (2.6.24-3), that's the good kernel. > > > > Hope i can get some help from you guys. Thanxs a lot..!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Thanx for the answers. Im gonna try the thing about loading backports. If > it doesnt work: which kernel would you recommend me to download??? I need it > to be, if possible, the latest version avalaible. How do you know that > kernel 2.6.27.7 has that problem? Where can i find that info? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basfriends at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:01:06 2009 From: basfriends at gmail.com (Bas Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:01:06 +0200 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310730j2b38f585k6a9f0db2584b658f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <880dece00903310730j2b38f585k6a9f0db2584b658f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ed26fb20903310801o61073c43uae73fb3903cf54c4@mail.gmail.com> If I say something stupid please note so, but what if you remove the driver from vista? It won't be able to disable the hardware anymore i assume? Or if you "force kill" vista by holding the on/off button for 5 seconds? (Although this leads to partitions not being accessable from linux due to a lockfile.) On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I plan to write this in my file "remember this". > > > > Use this app, it's great: > http://zim-wiki.org/ > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at JAMMConsulting.com Tue Mar 31 15:03:22 2009 From: neil at JAMMConsulting.com (Neil Aggarwal) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:03:22 -0500 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive Message-ID: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> Hello: I am ttying to set up the live CD persistence on a USB drive following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence I am using ubuntu 8.10 I formatted the drive with casper-rw for the label and boot using the persistent boot option, but my settings are not being saved between boots. I also tried creating a separate user account to no avail. Any ideas on how to debug this? Thanks, Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (832)245-7314, www.JAMMConsulting.com Eliminate junk email and reclaim your inbox. Visit http://www.spammilter.com for details. From dfox94085 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:06:17 2009 From: dfox94085 at gmail.com (David Fox) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:06:17 -0700 Subject: Splitting a file into different size chunks In-Reply-To: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> References: <94BE14063577E942AA3C08528708E0C50E4DDF4E52@BLACK.g2support.local> Message-ID: <359a3c580903310806u5312a17qc58154354804d280@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Oliver Marshall : > Hi chaps, > > > > I need to split a file in to pieces, but not all of the same size. I have a > 20mb file, and I need to split the first 2MB in to one file, then the > following 4MB in to another file, then the next 1MB in to another file, and > discard the rest. Seems that dd(1) could do that - using seek/skip and count operands. > -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. From mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr Tue Mar 31 15:14:42 2009 From: mihamina at lab.vectoris.fr (Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:14:42 +0300 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D23362.5000605@lab.vectoris.fr> Karl Larsen wrote: > Step5: Never start Vista again. Amen! -- Chef de projet chez Vectoris Phone: +261 33 11 207 36 System: xUbuntu 8.10 with almost all from package install http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby From tence at ieee.org Tue Mar 31 15:17:36 2009 From: tence at ieee.org (Tence T. George) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:17:36 -0400 Subject: What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: *S*oftware for *A*lgebra and *G*eometry *E*xperimentation (found it after it a little googling) Weird I couldn't find it on sagemath.org http://dailyuw.com/2008/1/14/sage-insights-open-source-technology/ -Tence On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Vincent Trouilliez < vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote: > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath > > (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: > > Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of > > mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced > > number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, > > group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." > > > What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? > > > Probably refers to the French word which means "wise man", which is > sometimes used when talking of antic era versatile geniuses, who > pionnered mathematics as well as philosophy, astronomy, anatomy, > engineering... > > -- > Vince > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:17:44 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:17:44 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D23418.4090608@gmail.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> So don't let me set up HP laptops if you want to use Ubuntu. >> > > There, I fixed that for you ;) > > Chris > > Yes there IS a way to fix the HP laptop I own. Here in New Mexico there are still places without WiFi coverage. I took mine to the Cotton Gin which is closed now and there was no wifi signals of any sort. There the method I gave works fine. Just don't load windows and it will be fine. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 15:24:35 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:24:35 -0700 Subject: Thoughts about finding viruses in email inboxes In-Reply-To: <49D1F848.3060207@neuroweave.nl> References: <49CE8ACE.2070509@gmail.com> <49CFC870.9000701@gmail.com> <49D1F848.3060207@neuroweave.nl> Message-ID: On 03/31/2009 04:02 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote: >> > Noop, > I followed your advice and obtained bitdefender. > After scanning my mailfolder it detected 8 Trojans in my junk and Trash > folder, which I think was to be expected. > However, I said then to quarantaine thes viruses with the result that he > quarantined my whole mailbox (I'm using Thunderbird) but also removed 3 > folders without viruses. I assume thunderbird has some problems with it > but do you know how to 'unquarantine' these folders? Especially one of > them (Home) holds E-mails I have to respond to today!! > I tried to open the quarantained files with thunderbird but that didn't > work (neither worked Evolution). > Hope you can help me out!! > Joep > > Joep, anytime you 'quarantine' a file it is placed in a quarantine folder (same with clamav). BD's quarantine folder is located at: /home//.local/share/BitDefender-scanner/quarantine Nothing is done to the quarantined file, it is just moved out of the originating program's path an placed there for safe keeping. You can move the files back to Thunderbird. From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:44:50 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:44:50 -0400 Subject: I would like to participate In-Reply-To: <49D1BB64.8020308@lab.vectoris.fr> References: <49D1BB64.8020308@lab.vectoris.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: > -- >    http://www.google.com/search?q=mihamina+rakotomandimby You know, if I tried that I'd be an actor, an artist and the victim of a stabbing in Ireland. :-) Brian From gurus.knugum at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:50:24 2009 From: gurus.knugum at gmail.com (Johnny Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:50:24 +0200 Subject: qemu In-Reply-To: <49D1414C.5010202@gmail.com> References: <49D1414C.5010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ad06bca0903310850s40b4d7ddlab6ae8b3bf8f5b29@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Nolan Cooper <4030man at gmail.com>: > I would like to see if anyone has used both VirtualBox and qemu > w/kqemu on Ubuntu. And if any pluses or minuses of using either one. > > I've used two different releases of VirtulaBox. > > And Please, no flame wars. Just some good and bad(?) for both. > > I'm running Hardy 8.04.2 > > TIA > > nolan > I have only tried qemu and I used it only twice so far. I installed it from the Linux Format (issue 117) DVD and I tried out two of the operating systems that were also on that DVD.The first one was KolibriOS, but I didn't like it very much so I went directly to Haiku (BeOS, kind of) which is supposed to be a very fast operating system. I didn't install Haiku so I canät tell how much slower it was with qemu, but it was REALLY slow, actually frustrating. I don't know if it's faster with VirtualBox, but I really hope it is… I have a 1.6 GHz dual core laptop with 2.0 GiB RAM, OS = Ubuntu 8.10 with Compiz-Fusion and Emerald installed and used, if that matters… From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 16:00:29 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:00:29 -0400 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Rashkae wrote: >> # /dev/sda1 >> UUID=75b96c6a-8f27-486e-8abe-db0883d783e3 /               reiserfs defaults >> 0       1 >> # /dev/sda10 >> UUID=fc6b2a31-1b9c-4aad-ba3a-5e558d05e7d7 /backup/vari     reiserfs defaults >> # /dev/sdc3 >> UUID=ab00529c-6301-4c08-92b7-4cabf28780bc /backup/sede/vari    reiserfs >> defaults        0       2 Kibitzing on this thread. Are items mounted in the order that they appear in fstab? or the order they are found? I wonder if sometimes the deeper nested mounts are mounted before the higher items, so one is masking the other - thus causing confusion.... I suppose the output of mount will show us that. Brian From Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 16:06:26 2009 From: Detlef.Lechner at gmx.net (Detlef Lechner) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:06:26 +0200 Subject: What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <1238515586.10240.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Vince, Am Dienstag, den 31.03.2009, 11:17 -0400 schrieb Tence T. George: > Software for Algebra and Geometry Experimentation > (found it after it a little googling) Weird I couldn't find it on > sagemath.org > http://dailyuw.com/2008/1/14/sage-insights-open-source-technology/ > -Tence > Ah, thank you very much for your information. > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Vincent Trouilliez > wrote: > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: > sagemath > > (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in > Python: > Probably refers to the French word which means "wise man", > which is > sometimes used when talking of antic era versatile geniuses, > who > pionnered mathematics as well as philosophy, astronomy, > anatomy, > engineering... I did not dig it out because the acronym 'SAGE' has > 30 meanings. Detlef From waldbauernbub at gmx.at Tue Mar 31 16:27:50 2009 From: waldbauernbub at gmx.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Franz_Waldm=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:27:50 +0200 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D24486.2010503@gmx.at> Karl F. Larsen schrieb: > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > when you stop it. The Asus eeePC of my girlfriend is having similar problems: Sometimes wifi shuts itself off, but there is no Windows Dual Boot install just plain ubuntu. I think that the BIOS is buggy, because it was simply disabled in the bios, just had to switch it back on (in the BIOS). As long as it doesn't happen often it is not a major problem (No my girfriend knows how to access bios settings) Maybe your problem is similar? -> When blaming the brand it would be a good idea to rule out other inflences (as Windows Vista in your case). Franz From benjamin1254 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 16:33:07 2009 From: benjamin1254 at gmail.com (a_puzzeled_newbie(^_^);) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:33:07 -0500 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive In-Reply-To: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> References: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> Message-ID: <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com> yes and this saved my rear when i had no cd's to work with needing to use a u3 flash drive. It is all unetbootin a program that auitomates the install and workings of any cd image that is bootable. It will download MOST operating systems for u or let u put one a custom one on... and put a grub loader on so it boots right into it. 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Suggestions on how to hack what I have now to boot?? Thanks, -kb, the Kent who likes to have more than one bootable partition at a time. From smoot at tic.com Tue Mar 31 16:53:22 2009 From: smoot at tic.com (Smoot Carl-Mitchell) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:53:22 -0700 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <1238518402.7895.228.camel@smoot.tic.com> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 12:00 -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Rashkae wrote: > >> # /dev/sda1 > >> UUID=75b96c6a-8f27-486e-8abe-db0883d783e3 / reiserfs defaults > >> 0 1 > >> # /dev/sda10 > >> UUID=fc6b2a31-1b9c-4aad-ba3a-5e558d05e7d7 /backup/vari reiserfs defaults > >> # /dev/sdc3 > >> UUID=ab00529c-6301-4c08-92b7-4cabf28780bc /backup/sede/vari reiserfs > >> defaults 0 2 > > Kibitzing on this thread. > Are items mounted in the order that they appear in fstab? or the order > they are found? > > I wonder if sometimes the deeper nested mounts are mounted before the > higher items, so one is masking the other - thus causing confusion.... When you do a mount -a to mount all the partitions in fstab, the program does a topological sort on the entries and creates the mount dependency graph and mounts everything in the correct order. The order in fstab is irrelevant. -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell Computer Systems and Network Consultant smoot at tic.com +1 480 922 7313 cell: +1 602 421 9005 From ubuntu at tigershaunt.com Tue Mar 31 16:58:52 2009 From: ubuntu at tigershaunt.com (Rashkae) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:58:52 -0400 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? In-Reply-To: References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <49D24BCC.1000107@tigershaunt.com> Brian McKee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Rashkae wrote: >>> # /dev/sda1 >>> UUID=75b96c6a-8f27-486e-8abe-db0883d783e3 / reiserfs defaults >>> 0 1 >>> # /dev/sda10 >>> UUID=fc6b2a31-1b9c-4aad-ba3a-5e558d05e7d7 /backup/vari reiserfs defaults >>> # /dev/sdc3 >>> UUID=ab00529c-6301-4c08-92b7-4cabf28780bc /backup/sede/vari reiserfs >>> defaults 0 2 > > Kibitzing on this thread. > Are items mounted in the order that they appear in fstab? or the order > they are found? > > I wonder if sometimes the deeper nested mounts are mounted before the > higher items, so one is masking the other - thus causing confusion.... > > I suppose the output of mount will show us that. > > Brian > That was my first thought as well, but I couldn't actually find any nested mounts in his fstab. (Other than the root, of course.) Bonus cookie if you can find one I missed. From mfioretti at nexaima.net Tue Mar 31 17:10:37 2009 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:10:37 +0200 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is that > the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. Karl, and all list members, there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we 100% sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always does by default, that is a deliberate design decision by Microsoft designers? Or is it something that, for any reason, only happens on your own laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? In the first case, if there are any proofs for it, there may be space for an article here, but I'd have to be sure. Ciao, Marco My digital rights activity: http://mfioretti.com -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From eqisow at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:17:54 2009 From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:17:54 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D24486.2010503@gmx.at> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D24486.2010503@gmx.at> Message-ID: I didn't read the whole thread, but I do want to point out that Ubuntu Jaunty works great on my Compaq (HP) CQ60. Everything worked out of the box. My only complaint is being forced to pay for Vista and being denied the partial refund, even after going as far as the BBB. Still, even with Vista in the price it was cheaper than any of the Linux notebooks available. Kind of sad, actually. 2009/3/31 Franz Waldmüller > Karl F. Larsen schrieb: > > I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of > > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta > > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from > > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista > > when you stop it. > > The Asus eeePC of my girlfriend is having similar problems: > Sometimes wifi shuts itself off, but there is no Windows Dual Boot > install just plain ubuntu. I think that the BIOS is buggy, because it > was simply disabled in the bios, just had to switch it back on (in the > BIOS). > As long as it doesn't happen often it is not a major problem (No my > girfriend knows how to access bios settings) > > Maybe your problem is similar? > > -> When blaming the brand it would be a good idea to rule out other > inflences (as Windows Vista in your case). > Franz > > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did the necessary moving of >> > partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta >> > installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from >> > working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista >> > when you stop it. >> >> The Asus eeePC of my girlfriend is having similar problems: >> Sometimes wifi shuts itself off, but there is no Windows Dual Boot >> install just plain ubuntu. 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URL: From larryesu at charter.net Tue Mar 31 17:22:09 2009 From: larryesu at charter.net (Larry Shields) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:22:09 -0500 Subject: How to change the Screen resolution on ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49D22BFF.5000908@gmail.com> References: <49CE3AF1.6010401@charter.net> <49D21520.2030800@charter.net> <49D22BFF.5000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D25141.5000907@charter.net> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Larry Shields wrote: > >> Larry Shields wrote: >> >>> *I have downloaded the iso for ubuntu 9.04, which went very well... >>> >>> My problem is that in the System>preferences> there is no screen >>> resolution being shown as it does in intrepid... >>> >>> So does anyone know where it is or how to change the default, to >>> 1024x768...??? >>> >>> Any help on this would be appreciated... >>> >>> Thanks Larry >>> * >>> >>> >>> >> snip >> >> > > I dont know why it would require that you be root, but if you want to > try it, you can right click on the menu, and select "edit menus". A > window will pop up with the menu structure for Applications and System. > Click on "Preferences" and to the right all the menu options under > Preferences will come up. Click once on Display, and select the > properties button to the right. You will see an option for "command". > Add "gksu" before whatever is currently in there. Close out of the edit > menus, and try. When you click on the icon, it should prompt you for > the sudo password. Type it in, and make your changes and see if it > saves it. Let us know. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > *Hello Dirk - -You are correct to as why would I need to be root, my thinking was since I couldn't find out how to do it as a user, was what it was... Now since I posted the msg., your reply help me, now it works just fine...I'll have to remember that... I sure appreciate the help... Have a nice day... ;-) Larry * -- Powered by Debian/GNU/Linux by Ubuntu ver 9.04 Jaunty 73 de Larry/wd9esu 33yr's A.R.O. Reg# Linux User 484593 "This is Linux Country, on a quiet night you can hear WINDOZE ! Systems REBOOTING !!" GPG Fingerprint: A4D2 BFC2 B21B 8F7A C336 EFDC 7039 3CA5 3332 076E Public Key available from subkeys.pgp.net From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 17:24:10 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:24:10 -0700 Subject: Trying to DUMP Windows.... But In-Reply-To: <49D1AD97.8010700@gmail.com> References: <49CBBE17.6040706@gmail.com> <49CBE6BC.2040009@gmail.com> <49D1AD97.8010700@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 03/30/2009 10:43 PM, Richard wrote: > I just added a second drive, and now will install Linux (Ubuntu) Beta > 9.04 on my second drive... > Question, well this install effect windows boot-loader? > > Thanks! > Richard Only in the fact that the system will now use GRUB instead. After you boot, you'll be presented with the grub menu and from that can select your Windows drive/partition. These will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary https://help.ubuntu.com/ https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/switching/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I *highly* recommend that you install a stable version of Ubuntu first - either 8.04 or 8.10. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions 8.10 will give you the best path to easily update to 9.04 *after* 9.04 has been released and settled down (probably around late May or June). 8.04 will give you a 'Long Term Support/LTS' stable version. Installing an alpha or beta version of Ubuntu is not for the faint-of- heart, or beginner. You may get extremely lucky and everything will work upon install. But more than likely, even if it does work on install, you'll then receive an update/fix that may break the system again (remember it's a beta). A few days later another update/fix may come along that resolves the problem, etc., but anytime you run a beta you should be prepared for an unstable environment. From mhaney at ercbroadband.org Tue Mar 31 17:28:41 2009 From: mhaney at ercbroadband.org (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:28:41 -0400 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <49D252C9.4070205@ercbroadband.org> M. Fioretti wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is that >> the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. > > Karl, and all list members, > > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we 100% > sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always does by > default, that is a deliberate design decision by Microsoft designers? > Or is it something that, for any reason, only happens on your own > laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? No, it's not default Vista behaviour. There are many, many forum posts you can google that talk about drivers that do that on various vendor cards, but that there is software that will enable that function. There is also a post on how to make vista disable that power management feature from the control panel. I would think most laptops have the enabled, but no Vista wireless desktops I know do not. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Mar 31 17:36:08 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:36:08 +0200 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903311936.08201.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 31 March 2009 16:26, Karl Larsen wrote: > The problem with my HP CQ50 laptop is simple. When Vista (which has > a driver) turns off it also turns off the atheros AR5007 WiFi hardware. > This means my Linux without a driver can't turn on the hardware. > > Here is how you fool HP and leave the WiFi turned ON! > > Step 1: Take your laptop to a place with no WiFi signals period. Then > turn on Vista and when it is fully up the light next to the on-off swich > will be red. This is the sign that there are no WiFi signals. > > Step 2. Set up windows so it is all ready to turn OFF. Put your arrow on > the place to turn off Vista and with your other hand press the red > button. It will change to green. > > Step3: Turn OFF Windows. When clear off take your finger off the > red/green button. At this time the WiFi hardware is STILL TURNED ON! > > Step4. Go to where there is WiFi and try a Linux. It will come right up > and work fine. > > Step5: Never start Vista again. > > I plan to write this in my file "remember this". > > > Karl Hi Karl. Long time no speaks. Are you saying that you drove out into the desert, until you lost all WiFi signals, then did the procedure as above? If it worked, it worked, and I'm not making fun of you here. Laptops are a problem, because you cannot take the power off the mobo completely, unlike a PC, where you can just unplug it from the wall socket. I suppose you could remove the battery though. I say the above because I have a TV card in one of my PC's, and watch TV on my Linux installs using xawtv. I also have XP available on this machine, and wanted to do the 3rd party security updates, and watch TV at the same time. No problem. Watched TV on XP while the security updates were downloading, then rebooted to one of my Linux installs. Tried xawtv, and everyrhing is scrambled up, no visible video, and can't remember if there was sound. Anyway. I'm a bit puzzled now, but from other problems I've seen, a good suggestion is to unplug the PC from the wall socket for a few minutes, which will remove all power from the mobo, apart from the cmos battery. I did that, and some minutes later plugged the PC back in. Fired up a Linux distro, ran xawtv, and TV played, as before I used TV on XP. The only conclusion I can come to, is that when I watched TV on XP, changes were made to the EEprom on the TV card (Haupauge Win TV Express), and when rebooting to a Linux OS, these changes were still present, which is why xawtv on Linux was now not working. Unplugging the PC from the wall socket seemed to reset everything, and upon plugging the PC back in some minutes later, and booting up Linux, xawtv now worked ok. Perhaps you have a similar problem here with your WiFi card, where when booted up into Vista, the WiFi card is setup by Vista, then when you reboot into Linux the old settings, which were set up by Vista, are still there, which is why the WiFi card won't work on Linux now. At the risk of making you drive out into the desert again, and redo the procedure where you got the WiFi card working on Linux again, bootup Vista, and see if you have a WiFi connection. Assuming that Vista has a WiFi connection, shutdown Vista, and reboot into your Linux install, and see if WiFi is working. Probably not from your earlier post. Remove the battery from the laptop for 20-30 mins, then put it back in ( I don't have a laptop, so not sure how easy this is). Fire up your Linux install, and see if WiFi is working. Apologies if this hasn't resolved your problem, and you've had to make another trip out into the desert to a WiFi free area, where you can once again resolve the problem. All the best Karl. Nigel. From arthur.johnson at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:38:03 2009 From: arthur.johnson at gmail.com (Arthur Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:38:03 -0400 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fd9daac0903311038p638465a9m1d23bda12f5c282@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Karl Larsen wrote: >    The problem with my HP CQ50 laptop is simple. When Vista (which has > a driver) turns off it also turns off the atheros AR5007 WiFi hardware. > This means my Linux without a driver can't turn on the hardware. Are you sure there is no BIOS setting for turning the wifi on at boot time? My daughter's Asus Eee 900A had this problem when she put Ubuntu on it. I found a switch in the BIOS for turning it on when the machine starts. From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 17:41:05 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:41:05 +0200 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <200903311941.05061.kassube@gmx.net> M. Fioretti wrote: > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we 100% > sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always does by > default, that is a deliberate design decision by Microsoft designers? > Or is it something that, for any reason, only happens on your own > laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? I don't think it is relevant if Vista turns off wifi deliberately or not. If the hardware can be switched on and off by software, it is a bug in the Linux driver if that driver doesn't support it as well. Nils From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:44:00 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:44:00 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D24486.2010503@gmx.at> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D24486.2010503@gmx.at> Message-ID: <49D25660.7040601@gmail.com> Franz Waldmüller wrote: > Karl F. Larsen schrieb: > >> I have a Presidio CQ50 laptop from HP. I did the necessary moving of >> partitions around so I could load Ubuntu. I have 8.11 and 9.04Beta >> installed and running quite well. A problem occurred that kept WiFi from >> working. The problem is that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista >> when you stop it. >> > > The Asus eeePC of my girlfriend is having similar problems: > Sometimes wifi shuts itself off, but there is no Windows Dual Boot > install just plain ubuntu. I think that the BIOS is buggy, because it > was simply disabled in the bios, just had to switch it back on (in the > BIOS). > In the case with my HP CQ50 laptop the WiFi hardware is switched on when you load Vista, and off when you turn off Vista. My laptop has very little in BIOS. Nothing about WiFi that I can find. But will look with more care. Karl > As long as it doesn't happen often it is not a major problem (No my > girfriend knows how to access bios settings) > > Maybe your problem is similar? > > -> When blaming the brand it would be a good idea to rule out other > inflences (as Windows Vista in your case). > Franz > > > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From neil at JAMMConsulting.com Tue Mar 31 17:44:59 2009 From: neil at JAMMConsulting.com (Neil Aggarwal) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:44:59 -0500 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive In-Reply-To: <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6907B269A04DCDAC901DAFB33DECB7@neilhp> The problem is my USB drive is only 512 MB and Ubuntu will not install on it. I need to use LiveCD persistence, not a bootable USB drive. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (832)245-7314, www.JAMMConsulting.com Eliminate junk email and reclaim your inbox. Visit http://www.spammilter.com for details. _____ From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of a_puzzeled_newbie(^_^); Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:33 AM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive yes and this saved my rear when i had no cd's to work with needing to use a u3 flash drive. It is all unetbootin a program that auitomates the install and workings of any cd image that is bootable. It will download MOST operating systems for u or let u put one a custom one on... and put a grub loader on so it boots right into it. I love it please check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:47:17 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:47:17 -0600 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> M. Fioretti wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is that >> the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. >> > > Karl, and all list members, > > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we 100% > sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always does by > default, that is a deliberate design decision by Microsoft designers? > Or is it something that, for any reason, only happens on your own > laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? > In my laptop the Vista is given a driver software that controls the WiFi hardware. I know this now. HP did not tell me... :-) Karl > In the first case, if there are any proofs for it, there may be space > for an article here, but I'd have to be sure. > > Ciao, > Marco > My digital rights activity: http://mfioretti.com > -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:51:11 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:51:11 -0600 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <4fd9daac0903311038p638465a9m1d23bda12f5c282@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <4fd9daac0903311038p638465a9m1d23bda12f5c282@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2580F.2020507@gmail.com> Arthur Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Karl Larsen wrote: > >> The problem with my HP CQ50 laptop is simple. When Vista (which has >> a driver) turns off it also turns off the atheros AR5007 WiFi hardware. >> This means my Linux without a driver can't turn on the hardware. >> > > Are you sure there is no BIOS setting for turning the wifi on at boot > time? My daughter's Asus Eee 900A had this problem when she put > Ubuntu on it. I found a switch in the BIOS for turning it on when the > machine starts. > > I will look again in BIOS but it didn't seem to have WiFi in the BIOS anywhere. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Mar 31 18:15:16 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:15:16 +0200 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <49D2580F.2020507@gmail.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <4fd9daac0903311038p638465a9m1d23bda12f5c282@mail.gmail.com> <49D2580F.2020507@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Arthur Johnson wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Karl Larsen wrote: >> >>> The problem with my HP CQ50 laptop is simple. When Vista (which has >>> a driver) turns off it also turns off the atheros AR5007 WiFi hardware. >>> This means my Linux without a driver can't turn on the hardware. >>> >> Are you sure there is no BIOS setting for turning the wifi on at boot >> time? My daughter's Asus Eee 900A had this problem when she put >> Ubuntu on it. I found a switch in the BIOS for turning it on when the >> machine starts. >> >> > I will look again in BIOS but it didn't seem to have WiFi in the > BIOS anywhere. > > Karl > > On the laptops I know, there is also usually a FN+ combination that switches the wifi on or off. Kind regards Eberhard From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 18:27:27 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:27:27 -0700 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive In-Reply-To: <4B6907B269A04DCDAC901DAFB33DECB7@neilhp> References: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com> <4B6907B269A04DCDAC901DAFB33DECB7@neilhp> Message-ID: On 03/31/2009 10:44 AM, Neil Aggarwal wrote: > The problem is my USB drive is only 512 MB and Ubuntu will not install on > it. > I need to use LiveCD persistence, not a bootable USB drive. > > Neil >From the link on the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent ". You will need a USB drive of 1 GB or more." From nmpribeiro at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 18:29:36 2009 From: nmpribeiro at gmail.com (Nuno Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:29:36 +0100 Subject: Fwd: ExpressCard/34 not sending raw video through firewire... Help In-Reply-To: <951a3dec0903310434l22bd8e61rf7d0aa4ebefeef9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <951a3dec0903310434l22bd8e61rf7d0aa4ebefeef9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <951a3dec0903311129h383dad3arf56268d530b2b4ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi there! I have a problem with video capture in my laptop. It must be some sort of kernel problem or modules, IRQ conflicts, I don't know. Ubuntu should have some kind of graphical view of undentified devices. It would be easier to find problems. I have raw1394 functioning, it's part of my group, I have permissions but nothing happens in kino, for instance, except the same old message "raw1394 no read/wright... etc...". In windows, everything works fine. So, it's not a hardware problem. It's more a drivers issue. This is my last resorce to try a solution. I bought the laptop with vista, I don't like vista, and don't want to crack nothing due to business impositions. Any idea, I apreciate. Laptop: Fujitsu Siemens Computers, V5155 Esprimo Mobile. Ubuntu Studio 8.10 Placa ExpressCard/34 2FireWire Port, part no. 51500 web: http://www.lindy-international.com/shop/showProductDetail.do?orderNumber=51500&source=search lsusb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/140991/ lspci -v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141012/ lsmod: http://p.bubash.org/paste/95988.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlp1938 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 18:31:08 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:31:08 +0700 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: References: <8f6eb7340903301155t6bad6973k4137d840e120592d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903311131g13d431f0h4ab575f3db0daf19@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Robert Parker wrote: >> > > Ok until I get to the this instruction: > > Open the PulseAudio Volume Control application ("pavucontrol", or you can > launch "Applications/Sound & Video/PulseAudio Device Chooser" and select > Volume Control from this applet's menu). In the Output Devices section you > will see a listing of the playback devices available on your system. > Right-click on the entry that you desire to be made the default playback > device on your system and enable the "Default" checkmark. Similarly, > navigate to Input Devices, then right-click on the device you wish to set as > your default input device (microphone), and ensure the "Default" setting is > checked. Close the application when you're finished. > > There is no 'output section' that I can find.  Tried every option.  Am I > missing something? On my system 'pavucontrol' gets me a box with 4 tabs, "Playback", "Recording", "Output Devices", and "Input Devices". On my system for "Output Devices" the list at the bottom right shows "All Output Devices" and the the "Open Menu", at the top right, when opened shows only "Default" which is checked. The "Input Devices" tab shows "All Except Monitors" and again the only selectable item at the top right is "Default" which is checked. I think all you need do is make sure that the "Default" option is checked. Maybe just attempt to configure Skype. You do need to be logged in to do the configuration. Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From aart at mtack.xs4all.nl Tue Mar 31 18:55:18 2009 From: aart at mtack.xs4all.nl (Aart Koelewijn) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Fwd: ExpressCard/34 not sending raw video through firewire... Help References: <951a3dec0903310434l22bd8e61rf7d0aa4ebefeef9f@mail.gmail.com> <951a3dec0903311129h383dad3arf56268d530b2b4ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:29:36 +0100, Nuno Ribeiro wrote: > Hi there! > > I have a problem with video capture in my laptop. It must be some sort > of kernel problem or modules, IRQ conflicts, I don't know. Ubuntu should > have some kind of graphical view of undentified devices. It would be > easier to find problems. > > I have raw1394 functioning, it's part of my group, I have permissions > but nothing happens in kino, for instance, except the same old message > "raw1394 no read/wright... etc...". > On my box (8.04.2): ~$ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-24-generic/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35764 2009-03-25 17:34 /lib/modules/2.6.24-24- generic/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko ~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libraw1394.so.8.2.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19964 2007-11-10 22:12 /usr/lib/libraw1394.so.8.2.0 So, they are not in my group, I don't need any special permissions and for me kino works. I think the only thing you really need is the read permission for others, the last r . The w for user root is there to make it possible for root to install and remove these files. I wonder if raw1394.ko (a kernel module) is loaded with your kernel. Do: "lsmod | grep 1394" to see if something is loaded. For me (with kino started) it shows ohci1394 and ieee1394, no raw1394. You could also look at /usr/share/doc/libraw1394-8/README for more information. Aart From neil at JAMMConsulting.com Tue Mar 31 18:59:36 2009 From: neil at JAMMConsulting.com (Neil Aggarwal) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:59:36 -0500 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive In-Reply-To: References: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com><4B6907B269A04DCDAC901DAFB33DECB7@neilhp> Message-ID: <95A3F323BABF49ABAB9710622CD4F179@neilhp> >From what I can tell, that is a different approach. It talks about putting the OS on the pen drive itself. I am talking about still using the LiveCD but using the pen drive to only store settings. This page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence Does not state the pen drive has to be at least 1 GB. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (832)245-7314, www.JAMMConsulting.com Eliminate junk email and reclaim your inbox. Visit http://www.spammilter.com for details. > >From the link on the page: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent > ". You will need a USB drive of 1 GB or more." From aguilamadis at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 19:05:07 2009 From: aguilamadis at yahoo.com (Aguila M) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: wireless problem Message-ID: <300482.71634.qm@web45412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> i have a pavilion dv2650 notebook and installed ubuntu 9.04 beta. ubuntu doesnt shut down or restart while wireless is open. but it works after i switch off the wireless. how can i solve this problem. thanks... ___________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Türkiye açıldı! http://yahoo.com.tr İnternet üzerindeki en iyi içeriği Yahoo! Türkiye sizlere sunuyor! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raquel at thericehouse.net Tue Mar 31 19:15:27 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:15:27 -0700 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <20090331121527.49c4888f.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:10:37 +0200 "M. Fioretti" wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > > A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is > > that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. > > Karl, and all list members, > > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we > 100% sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always > does by default, that is a deliberate design decision by Microsoft > designers? Or is it something that, for any reason, only happens on > your own laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? > > In the first case, if there are any proofs for it, there may be > space for an article here, but I'd have to be sure. > > Ciao, > Marco My HP was loaded with Vista when I got it and it turned off the wireless when it shutdown. HOWEVER, that had nothing to do with Ubuntu as all drivers were replace when I removed Vista and installed Ubuntu. Once I got the wrong drivers blacklisted and the correct drivers from backports, everything has worked as it should. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted. --Bertrand Russell From raquel at thericehouse.net Tue Mar 31 19:17:09 2009 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:17:09 -0700 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:47:17 -0600 "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > M. Fioretti wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > > > > >> A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is > >> that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. > >> > > > > Karl, and all list members, > > > > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we > > 100% sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always > > does by default, that is a deliberate design decision by > > Microsoft designers? Or is it something that, for any reason, > > only happens on your own laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? > > > In my laptop the Vista is given a driver software that controls > the WiFi hardware. I know this now. HP did not tell me... :-) > > Karl > But Vista has absolutely no control over what happens in Linux. -- Raquel http://www.byraquel.com ============================================================ In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted. --Bertrand Russell From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 19:25:08 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:25:08 -0700 Subject: printers for UBUNTU? In-Reply-To: <49D188C0.8080603@internode.on.net> References: <761FFBE6C60A4DA8B3BA92EBB8103F13@aradskyPC> <49D15109.4040902@gatech.edu> <49D188C0.8080603@internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 03/30/2009 08:06 PM, squareyes wrote: > I have just plugged in an Epson Stylus Photo R230, pleasantly surprised, > message popped up "Epson... now installed and ready for use" Didn't > need to install anything, > 8.04 did it all, just works. Cannot print to inkjet printable CD's > though, but expected that. You might have a look at: http://www.epsondevelopers.com/home/linux_printers and http://avasys.jp/hp/menu000000900/hpg000000859.htm to see if any of those drivers will enable CD printing. Also, you might try the R220 version of Turboprint (it's commercial but you can test for free). http://www.turboprint.info/printers_Epson.html Printing to CD is supported for the R220. I use Turboprint for my Canon MP750 & the US models do not have a CD print try; however there is a mod to make one. Anyway, when I upgraded to the latest version of Turboprint I was pleasantly surprised to see that the driver actually supports printing to CD for my printer; the previous version did not. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 19:25:27 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:25:27 -0600 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <20090331171037.GS3048@nexaima.net> <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <49D26E27.9010900@gmail.com> Raquel wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:47:17 -0600 > "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > > >> M. Fioretti wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is >>>> that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. >>>> >>>> >>> Karl, and all list members, >>> >>> there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we >>> 100% sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always >>> does by default, that is a deliberate design decision by >>> Microsoft designers? Or is it something that, for any reason, >>> only happens on your own laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? >>> >>> >> In my laptop the Vista is given a driver software that controls >> the WiFi hardware. I know this now. HP did not tell me... :-) >> >> Karl >> >> > > But Vista has absolutely no control over what happens in Linux. > > I have d/l all manuals on my laptop by HP and it is clear that this model has a control on WiFi within Vista and no where else. It is a driver HP added to Vista. There are no key combinations that turn WiFi on or off. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 19:32:15 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:32:15 +0200 Subject: Fwd: ExpressCard/34 not sending raw video through firewire... Help In-Reply-To: <951a3dec0903311129h383dad3arf56268d530b2b4ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <951a3dec0903310434l22bd8e61rf7d0aa4ebefeef9f@mail.gmail.com> <951a3dec0903311129h383dad3arf56268d530b2b4ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903312132.15313.kassube@gmx.net> Nuno Ribeiro wrote: > I have raw1394 functioning, it's part of my group, I have permissions > but nothing happens in kino, for instance, except the same old > message "raw1394 no read/wright... etc...". How do you know you have raw1394 functioning? If you had the appropriate permissions you wouldn't get the message "raw1394 no read/wright...". > lspci -v: > http://paste.ubuntu.com/141012/ What am I missing? I don't see a firewire device here. Was the firewire card inserted when you used the lspci command? Are you sure the chip is supported by Linux? Nils From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Tue Mar 31 19:36:45 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:36:45 -0400 Subject: [OT] What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> Message-ID: <49D270CD.50705@gatech.edu> Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath >> (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: >> Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of >> mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced >> number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, >> group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." > >> What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? > > > Probably refers to the French word which means "wise man", which is > sometimes used when talking of antic era versatile geniuses, who > pionnered mathematics as well as philosophy, astronomy, anatomy, > engineering... That is not (only) a French word! It entered English in the 13th century... Matt Flaschen From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 19:42:22 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:42:22 -0600 Subject: wicd doesn't work Message-ID: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> I was told wicd is the way to go so I used apt-get to install it. I have it installed on my 9.04 Jaunty Beta and when I got the 8.10 working fine this wicd does nothing. I mean nothing! Wicd says there is no WiFi in the area. In fact there is a VERY strong signal. I think there is a serious problem with wicd software and man pages. I read all the man pages and am far more confused than before :-) Is there a simple way to get wicd to work? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr Tue Mar 31 19:45:37 2009 From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:45:37 +0200 Subject: [OT] What does 'sage' stand for in sagemeth? In-Reply-To: <49D270CD.50705@gatech.edu> References: <1238507814.19388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090331160404.9d6ed711.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> <49D270CD.50705@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20090331214537.cdf1e714.vincent.trouilliez@modulonet.fr> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:36:45 -0400 Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Packet: sagemath > >> (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python: > >> Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of > >> mathematics, including algebra, calculus, elementary to very advanced > >> number theory, cryptography, numerical computation, commutative algebra, > >> group theory, combinatorics, graph theory, and exact linear algebra." > > > >> What does 'sage' stand for in sagemath? > > > > > > Probably refers to the French word which means "wise man", which is > > sometimes used when talking of antic era versatile geniuses, who > > pionnered mathematics as well as philosophy, astronomy, anatomy, > > engineering... > > That is not (only) a French word! It entered English in the 13th century... > > Matt Flaschen ... as well as half of the French dictionnary back then... which is why I keep mixing both languages all the time, and end up spelling many words in some weird english/french mix, which is neither correct French or correct English ! Grrr... :-/ -- Vince From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 19:50:54 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:54 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. Message-ID: <49D2741E.3070000@gmail.com> Another thing I was just curious about. I have been dealing with this issue ever since I installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo Ideapad S10. Again, the graphics card that is in my S10 is an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, since my netbook has a 10.2" display, the native resolution is 1024x600. However, menus, settings windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the bottom portion of these windows. Is there a way that I can resolve this or make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my resolution? Thanks. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 19:54:52 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:54:52 -0400 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I was told wicd is the way to go so I used apt-get to install it. I > have it installed on my 9.04 Jaunty Beta and when I got the 8.10 working > fine this wicd does nothing. I mean nothing! > > Wicd says there is no WiFi in the area. In fact there is a VERY > strong signal. I think there is a serious problem with wicd software and > man pages. I read all the man pages and am far more confused than before > :-) > > Is there a simple way to get wicd to work? > > Karl > I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will the default network manager be reinstalled? If yes, then I will definitely try out wicd. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From jonas at chown.dk Tue Mar 31 19:59:01 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:59:01 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. In-Reply-To: <49D2741E.3070000@gmail.com> References: <49D2741E.3070000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D27605.2070003@chown.dk> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Another thing I was just curious about. I have been dealing with this > issue ever since I installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo Ideapad S10. Again, > the graphics card that is in my S10 is an Intel Graphics Media > Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, since my netbook has a 10.2" > display, the native resolution is 1024x600. However, menus, settings > windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be > hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the bottom > portion of these windows. Is there a way that I can resolve this or > make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my resolution? > Thanks. I don't own a netbook myself, but I have heard people talking about Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I am not sure if it solves your issue, but it might be worth taking a look at it. You can find more information about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR. -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:03:58 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:03:58 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. In-Reply-To: <49D27605.2070003@chown.dk> References: <49D2741E.3070000@gmail.com> <49D27605.2070003@chown.dk> Message-ID: <49D2772E.7020406@gmail.com> Jonas Pedersen wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Another thing I was just curious about. I have been dealing with this >> issue ever since I installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo Ideapad S10. Again, >> the graphics card that is in my S10 is an Intel Graphics Media >> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, since my netbook has a 10.2" >> display, the native resolution is 1024x600. However, menus, settings >> windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be >> hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the bottom >> portion of these windows. Is there a way that I can resolve this or >> make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my resolution? >> Thanks. > > I don't own a netbook myself, but I have heard people talking about > Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I am not sure if it solves your issue, but it > might be worth taking a look at it. You can find more information about > it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR. > I have heard of the netbook remix. It does look interesting, except I do not like the new interface that it implements. I would much rather stay with Gnome. Its not too big of an issue, I mean I have been dealing with it for over 3 months now without much issues. So I threw it on my to-do list to try and figure out. Just getting around to it. If it can't be resolved that's fine too. I will just deal with it cause again, I dont want to give up Gnome. I was just trying to find out if anyone knew of any tricks to get things in Gnome to scale themselves down in size based on the resolution. Thanks for the link though. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de Tue Mar 31 20:04:45 2009 From: ubuntu-users at list-post.mks-mail.de (=?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFNjaMO2bmhhYmVy?=) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:04:45 +0200 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2775D.9010403@list-post.mks-mail.de> Dotan Cohen: >> 4. At best, people now know that Karl may have a specific problem with a >> specific HP machine in a specific dual-boot scenario with Vista. But >> they do *not* know whether this problem is caused by the machine, Karl, >> Vista or something else. Nor do they know if no-one can fix it or if >> just Karl is not able to. > > They also know that HP has no interest in the subject of this mailing > list (Ubuntu Linux). Which was the point of this thread. No. 1. That may be your point but not THE point of this thread as I see it. And even that is nothing new nor anything which make HP a special case among all computer manufacturers. Lack of Linux support is a very common phenomenon, and we all seem to agree on what can be done to change this. 2. It does *not* prove that HP has no interest in Linux. It simply shows that HP has no interest in *supporting* Linux (at least for this particular type of machine). Which is something very different. I guess, many people can live with the lack of Linux support as long as the machine simply works with Linux. 3. (and not least) having a problem with a specific machine of a manufacturer IMO doesn't justify an outcry like "Don't buy *any* machine from them!". I call that an invalid generalisation. Even more so since no-one really knows what the root cause of the problem is nor whether it is solvable or not. >> BTW: Lenovo/IBM doesn't provide Linux *support* for my T60. Nevertheless >> it *works* like a charm running Linux. > > As does my Dell (bought before they came with Linux). But that is not the point. Maybe not yours, but mine. Regards mks From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 20:12:05 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:12:05 +0200 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> Dirk Freitag wrote: > I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it > is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network > manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works different because it connects to the network even if there is no user logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You may prefer one version or the other. > If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will > the default network manager be reinstalled? If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. Nils From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Mar 31 20:16:26 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:16:26 +0200 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <200903312216.26368.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 31 March 2009 21:17, Raquel wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:47:17 -0600 > > "Karl F. Larsen" wrote: > > M. Fioretti wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 05:44:34 AM -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> A problem occurred that kept WiFi from working. The problem is > > >> that the wifi hardware is turned off by Vista when you stop it. > > > > > > Karl, and all list members, > > > > > > there is one thing here which I would like to understand: are we > > > 100% sure that the behavior above is something that Vista always > > > does by default, that is a deliberate design decision by > > > Microsoft designers? Or is it something that, for any reason, > > > only happens on your own laptop, or only on all HP laptops, etc..? > > > > In my laptop the Vista is given a driver software that controls > > the WiFi hardware. I know this now. HP did not tell me... :-) > > > > Karl > > But Vista has absolutely no control over what happens in Linux. > > -- > Raquel Hi Raquel. I would question what you say above, mainly from an experience with my Hauppauge Win TV Express TV card. I got this card working fine on various Linux distros, then booted up XP to do 3rd party security updates. I thought I'd try the TV viewing app at the same time, which worked ok. The updates having concluded, I rebooted to a Linux install, and tried to watch TV using xawtv, which now no longer worked. the video was all scrambled up, and I'm not sure now if I even had sound. Based on posts I had seen, where it was suggested to unplug the machine from the power outlet for some minutes, I did just this. The idea here, was that all power would be removed from the mobo, and plugging the machine back in some minutes later, you would be starting afresh. I can only refer to the problem I had with the TV card. it worked ok on Linux, then I booted XP, and watched TV on that. Then i rebooted to Linux, and the TV card no longer worked as it should. Unplugged the machine for a while, then rebooted into Linux, and then the TV card worked ok. I can only conclude that the app that I was using on XP to view TV, had messed with the TV card in some way, so that when I tried to use the same TV card on linux, it wouldn't work. What you say as below is true, but doesn't mean to say that, either XP, or Vista can't mess with the hardware, then when you reboot into Linux, the hardware which was working ok on Linux, now no longer works. But Vista has absolutely no control over what happens in Linux. I only say this because of the experience I had with my TV card, when viewing TV on XP, then rebooting to Linux, and trying to watch TV with xawtv. Just some observations, no flames intended. Nigel. From kyle.smith at inforonics.com Tue Mar 31 20:29:09 2009 From: kyle.smith at inforonics.com (kyle.smith) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:29:09 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. In-Reply-To: <49D2772E.7020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's a bit of a hack, but Compiz has a "Put Window" and "Grab Window" plugin that allow you to move a window without only grabbing the titlebar. It would atleast allow you to press "Apply" :) -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Freitag Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:04 PM To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions Subject: Re: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. Jonas Pedersen wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> Another thing I was just curious about. I have been dealing with >> this issue ever since I installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo Ideapad S10. >> Again, the graphics card that is in my S10 is an Intel Graphics Media >> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, since my netbook has a 10.2" >> display, the native resolution is 1024x600. However, menus, settings >> windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be >> hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the >> bottom portion of these windows. Is there a way that I can resolve >> this or make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my resolution? >> Thanks. > > I don't own a netbook myself, but I have heard people talking about > Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I am not sure if it solves your issue, but it > might be worth taking a look at it. You can find more information > about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR. > I have heard of the netbook remix. It does look interesting, except I do not like the new interface that it implements. I would much rather stay with Gnome. Its not too big of an issue, I mean I have been dealing with it for over 3 months now without much issues. So I threw it on my to-do list to try and figure out. Just getting around to it. If it can't be resolved that's fine too. I will just deal with it cause again, I dont want to give up Gnome. I was just trying to find out if anyone knew of any tricks to get things in Gnome to scale themselves down in size based on the resolution. Thanks for the link though. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:32:26 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:32:26 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D2775D.9010403@list-post.mks-mail.de> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> <49D2775D.9010403@list-post.mks-mail.de> Message-ID: <49D27DDA.6010109@gmail.com> Markus Schönhaber wrote: > Dotan Cohen: > >>> 4. At best, people now know that Karl may have a specific problem with a >>> specific HP machine in a specific dual-boot scenario with Vista. But >>> they do *not* know whether this problem is caused by the machine, Karl, >>> Vista or something else. Nor do they know if no-one can fix it or if >>> just Karl is not able to. >> They also know that HP has no interest in the subject of this mailing >> list (Ubuntu Linux). Which was the point of this thread. > > No. > 1. That may be your point but not THE point of this thread as I see it. > And even that is nothing new nor anything which make HP a special case > among all computer manufacturers. Lack of Linux support is a very common > phenomenon, and we all seem to agree on what can be done to change this. > 2. It does *not* prove that HP has no interest in Linux. It simply shows > that HP has no interest in *supporting* Linux (at least for this > particular type of machine). Which is something very different. > I guess, many people can live with the lack of Linux support as long as > the machine simply works with Linux. > 3. (and not least) having a problem with a specific machine of a > manufacturer IMO doesn't justify an outcry like "Don't buy *any* machine > from them!". I call that an invalid generalisation. > Even more so since no-one really knows what the root cause of the > problem is nor whether it is solvable or not. > >>> BTW: Lenovo/IBM doesn't provide Linux *support* for my T60. Nevertheless >>> it *works* like a charm running Linux. >> As does my Dell (bought before they came with Linux). But that is not the point. > > Maybe not yours, but mine. > > Regards > mks > > Personally I think that everyone who has answered this so far has missed the mark. First, who cares if HP supports Linux or not? They have to support the hardware regardless of what OS is on the computer, because the OS has absolutely nothing to do with the physical quality or reliability of the hardware. Second, even if HP *did* have support options for Linux, they would pale in comparison to the online support communities located on message boards, user lists and IRC chat rooms. Manufacturer support representatives don't give decent *Windows* support and people with Windows are found more and more to be going to local computer repair places, or getting their support off the same online communities that are available for Linux (although, IMO, the Windows online support communities seem to be full of self-righteous, arrogant, goody-two-shoe windows fanboy followers and tools). Even with my opinion on the online windows support communities, they are still 1000% better than the support you will ever get from a manufacturer. I agree that there needs to be more publicity about Linux and it needs to be introduced to people more and more. And in that respect, I do think the manufacturers should be offering Linux as a secondary option. Have them go as far as to offer it as the *primary* option in some platforms (such as netbooks). But for God's sake, leave the support to the people who know what they are doing, care about it, and don't expect you to shell out a weeks worth of pay for 4 hours on the phone with "advanced" support. So in this geeky freedom fighter's opinion, I say, let them not support Linux. You get better support online anyways, and customers wont be fooled by some manufacturer that they aren't "allowed* to remove that Windows OEM sticker off the bottom of their notebook. It's about freedom, and if you keep the support out of the manufacturer and in the hands of the people actually working with these platforms, where it's free to use, and information and truth is not held back because we "dont want you to know that" then the better the Linux community will be and ultimately, the better the computer industry will be. /end rant -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:37:22 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:37:22 -0400 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: >> I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it >> is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network >> manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. > > I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works > different because it connects to the network even if there is no user > logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You > may prefer one version or the other. > >> If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will >> the default network manager be reinstalled? > > If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can > simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. > > > Nils > Thanks for the clarification, Nils. I will definitely be trying out wicd then. :) -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:38:02 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:38:02 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D27F2A.7090005@gmail.com> kyle.smith wrote: > It's a bit of a hack, but Compiz has a "Put Window" and "Grab Window" > plugin that allow you to move a window without only grabbing the > titlebar. It would atleast allow you to press "Apply" :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dirk Freitag > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:04 PM > To: Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions > Subject: Re: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. > > Jonas Pedersen wrote: >> Dirk Freitag wrote: >>> Another thing I was just curious about. I have been dealing with >>> this issue ever since I installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo Ideapad S10. >>> Again, the graphics card that is in my S10 is an Intel Graphics Media > >>> Accelerator 950 (GMA 950), in 945GSE. Now, since my netbook has a > 10.2" >>> display, the native resolution is 1024x600. However, menus, settings > >>> windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be > >>> hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the >>> bottom portion of these windows. Is there a way that I can resolve >>> this or make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my > resolution? >>> Thanks. >> I don't own a netbook myself, but I have heard people talking about >> Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I am not sure if it solves your issue, but it >> might be worth taking a look at it. You can find more information >> about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR. >> > > I have heard of the netbook remix. It does look interesting, except I > do not like the new interface that it implements. I would much rather > stay with Gnome. Its not too big of an issue, I mean I have been > dealing with it for over 3 months now without much issues. So I threw > it on my to-do list to try and figure out. Just getting around to it. > > > If it can't be resolved that's fine too. I will just deal with it cause > again, I dont want to give up Gnome. I was just trying to find out if > anyone knew of any tricks to get things in Gnome to scale themselves > down in size based on the resolution. Thanks for the link though. > > > -- > Dirk Freitag > Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > Thanks for the tip, Kyle. I will try that out. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:42:30 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:42:30 -0600 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it >> is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network >> manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. >> > > I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works > different because it connects to the network even if there is no user > logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You > may prefer one version or the other. > > >> If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will >> the default network manager be reinstalled? >> > > If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can > simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. > > > Nils > > I tried sudo apt-get install networkmanager and it errored out as no such package. What is it really called? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:43:46 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:43:46 -0500 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Dirk Freitag wrote: >>> I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself.  People say it >>> is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network >>> manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. >> >> I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works >> different because it connects to the network even if there is no user >> logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You >> may prefer one version or the other. >> >>>  If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will >>> the default network manager be reinstalled? >> >> If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can >> simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. Before traveling, I download the latest NM & wicd .deb files. Sometimes it's useful to toggle using one or the other - I can think of one case in particular where I could not connect to a hotel's network with NM, but wicd had no trouble. If wifi is the only connection available, and it won't work with one or the other, then it's quite useful to have the packages already on hard disk. Chris From brian.mckee at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:46:58 2009 From: brian.mckee at gmail.com (Brian McKee) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:46:58 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu on a 1024x600 resolution. In-Reply-To: <49D27F2A.7090005@gmail.com> References: <49D27F2A.7090005@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > kyle.smith wrote: >> It's a bit of a hack, but Compiz has a "Put Window" and "Grab Window" >> plugin that allow you to move a window without only grabbing the >> titlebar.  It would atleast allow you to press "Apply" :) >>>> display, the native resolution is 1024x600.  However, menus, settings >>>> windows, and even some applications within Linux and Gnome seem to be >>>> hard coded for the 1024x768 resolution, because I will lose the >>>> bottom portion of these windows.  Is there a way that I can resolve >>>> this or make it so that the windows auto-scale down to fit in my >> resolution? There's a Gnome option that lets you push a window past the top of the screen too without compiz. I've got that turned on with my netbook. Darned if I can find you a link at the second though. Brian From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:47:00 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D28144.10204@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Dirk Freitag wrote: >> >>> I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it >>> is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network >>> manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. >>> >> I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works >> different because it connects to the network even if there is no user >> logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You >> may prefer one version or the other. >> >> >>> If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will >>> the default network manager be reinstalled? >>> >> If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can >> simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. >> >> >> Nils >> >> > I tried sudo apt-get install networkmanager and it errored out as no > such package. What is it really called? > > Karl > > Karl, Try "network-manager-gnome" -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From rlp1938 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:48:04 2009 From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 03:48:04 +0700 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f6eb7340903311348g1d91abderc049485ce052e2c0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >> >    I tried sudo apt-get install networkmanager and it errored out as no > such package. What is it really called? apt-cache search networkmanager Bob Parker -- In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! From thezorch at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:55:38 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:55:38 -0400 Subject: On Vista turning off Wifi, was: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <200903312216.26368.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D25725.7060107@gmail.com> <20090331121709.06b2ebf9.raquel@thericehouse.net> <200903312216.26368.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: Acer Aspire notebooks have a similar problem. The wifi adapter can be turned on and off with a button on the keyboard. In Linux I was never able to get this to work. I've recently learned of a piece of software called AcerHK which is supposed to work with his button to turn the wifi adapter on and off in Linux. -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:56:42 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:56:42 -0600 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> Nils Kassube wrote: >> >>> Dirk Freitag wrote: >>> >>>> I have actually been reluctant to install wicd myself. People say it >>>> is the way to go, but the fact that it removes the default network >>>> manager makes me wary of it, since the default app works fine for me. >>>> >>> I tried wicd and for me it works as well as networkmanager. But it works >>> different because it connects to the network even if there is no user >>> logged in. Networkmanager only connects after a user is logged in. You >>> may prefer one version or the other. >>> >>> >>>> If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder if I uninstall it, will >>>> the default network manager be reinstalled? >>>> >>> If you have wicd installed and want your networkmanager back you can >>> simply install networkmanager. It will then remove wicd. >>> > > Before traveling, I download the latest NM & wicd .deb files. > Sometimes it's useful to toggle using one or the other - I can think > of one case in particular where I could not connect to a hotel's > network with NM, but wicd had no trouble. If wifi is the only > connection available, and it won't work with one or the other, then > it's quite useful to have the packages already on hard disk. > > Chris > > Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole thing is screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will re-install the entire system again and NEVER try wicd again. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:00:13 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:00:13 -0500 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: >    Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole thing is > screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will re-install the entire > system again and NEVER try wicd again. Funny, I switch between them all the time. Chris From mfioretti at nexaima.net Tue Mar 31 21:02:36 2009 From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:02:36 +0200 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D27DDA.6010109@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> <49D2775D.9010403@list-post.mks-mail.de> <49D27DDA.6010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090331210236.GV3048@nexaima.net> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 16:32:26 PM -0400, Dirk Freitag wrote: > Personally I think that everyone who has answered this so far has > missed the mark. First, who cares if HP supports Linux or not? > They have to support the hardware regardless of what OS is on the > computer, because the OS has absolutely nothing to do with the > physical quality or reliability of the hardware. That *may* be true in theory. In practice, no hardware vendor works that way, because testing and/or customer assistance costs would skyrocket. > Second, even if HP *did* have support options for Linux, they would > pale in comparison to the online support communities located on > message boards, user lists and IRC chat rooms. True but irrelevant in many important cases. Many businesses will simply not buy stuff which is only supported informally by some unknown folks half a planet away. Many IT policies explicitly forbid doing so. This has nothing to do, of course, with buying or not HP products and why, or with which free online support is better, Linux or Windows. It's just that, to my best knowledge, none of those two statements matches reality, so they shouldn't be used to come to any conclusion. Marco Digital activism: http://mfioretti.com -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you: http://digifreedom.net/node/84 From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:08:39 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:08:39 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <20090331210236.GV3048@nexaima.net> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21AEA.2000302@list-post.mks-mail.de> <880dece00903310637h3ccdd2ecof950df465b3f10f7@mail.gmail.com> <49D2775D.9010403@list-post.mks-mail.de> <49D27DDA.6010109@gmail.com> <20090331210236.GV3048@nexaima.net> Message-ID: <49D28657.7030309@gmail.com> M. Fioretti wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 16:32:26 PM -0400, Dirk Freitag wrote: > >> Personally I think that everyone who has answered this so far has >> missed the mark. First, who cares if HP supports Linux or not? >> They have to support the hardware regardless of what OS is on the >> computer, because the OS has absolutely nothing to do with the >> physical quality or reliability of the hardware. > > That *may* be true in theory. In practice, no hardware vendor works > that way, because testing and/or customer assistance costs would > skyrocket. > >> Second, even if HP *did* have support options for Linux, they would >> pale in comparison to the online support communities located on >> message boards, user lists and IRC chat rooms. > > True but irrelevant in many important cases. Many businesses will > simply not buy stuff which is only supported informally by some > unknown folks half a planet away. Many IT policies explicitly forbid > doing so. > > This has nothing to do, of course, with buying or not HP products and > why, or with which free online support is better, Linux or Windows. > It's just that, to my best knowledge, none of those two statements > matches reality, so they shouldn't be used to come to any conclusion. > > Marco > Digital activism: http://mfioretti.com Just to note, my rant was based towards the regular joe-smoe in Kentucky. Commercial level support is an entirely different beast. And a lot of times you will find that hardware vendors such as Dell and HP have *EXCELLENT* Linux support for their platforms running Linux. I am sorry to say that your comments are irrelevant to my rant, due to commercial support and residential support being two completely different animals. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:12:21 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:12:21 -0600 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D28735.50708@gmail.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole thing is >> screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will re-install the entire >> system again and NEVER try wicd again. >> > > Funny, I switch between them all the time. > > Chris > > There is something wrong at the Jaunty update computers. I have 200 updates to get and it just errors out with no such software. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 21:14:20 2009 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <950484.15743.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > From: Karl F. Larsen > Subject: Re: wicd doesn't work > To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 3:56 PM > Chris Mohler wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Dirk Freitag > wrote: > > > >> Nils Kassube wrote: > >> > >>> Dirk Freitag wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have actually been reluctant to install > wicd myself. People say it > >>>> is the way to go, but the fact that it > removes the default network > >>>> manager makes me wary of it, since the > default app works fine for me. > >>>> > >>> I tried wicd and for me it works as well as > networkmanager. But it works > >>> different because it connects to the network > even if there is no user > >>> logged in. Networkmanager only connects after > a user is logged in. You > >>> may prefer one version or the other. > >>> > >>> > >>>> If I did decide to go with wicd, I wonder > if I uninstall it, will > >>>> the default network manager be > reinstalled? > >>>> > >>> If you have wicd installed and want your > networkmanager back you can > >>> simply install networkmanager. It will then > remove wicd. > >>> > > > > Before traveling, I download the latest NM & wicd > .deb files. > > Sometimes it's useful to toggle using one or the > other - I can think > > of one case in particular where I could not connect to > a hotel's > > network with NM, but wicd had no trouble. If wifi is > the only > > connection available, and it won't work with one > or the other, then > > it's quite useful to have the packages already on > hard disk. > > > > Chris > > > > > Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole > thing is > screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will > re-install the entire > system again and NEVER try wicd again. > > Karl > >Karl, you don't have to reinstall NM after wicd. Ever since I installed wicd, no more network connection issues at all even on wifi, so why reinstall NM. Even so I doubt there is an issues in doing so. Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 21:29:20 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:29:20 -0700 Subject: Live CD Persistence not working with USB drive In-Reply-To: <95A3F323BABF49ABAB9710622CD4F179@neilhp> References: <6E6D24CE893C4578A3798C34E46E07FA@neilhp> <7cd3d6810903310933r24dc5dd1o5b862ee9a7a11ec8@mail.gmail.com><4B6907B269A04DCDAC901DAFB33DECB7@neilhp> <95A3F323BABF49ABAB9710622CD4F179@neilhp> Message-ID: On 03/31/2009 11:59 AM, Neil Aggarwal wrote: > > From what I can tell, that is a different approach. > It talks about putting the OS on the pen drive itself. > I am talking about still using the LiveCD but using > the pen drive to only store settings. > > This page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence > > Does not state the pen drive has to be at least 1 GB. > > Neil Ah. Sorry I misunderstood. From pegngary at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:44:40 2009 From: pegngary at gmail.com (Gary Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:44:40 -0600 Subject: Skype in 8.10 In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340903311131g13d431f0h4ab575f3db0daf19@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f6eb7340903301155t6bad6973k4137d840e120592d@mail.gmail.com> <8f6eb7340903311131g13d431f0h4ab575f3db0daf19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Parker wrote: > 2009/3/31 Gary Kirkpatrick : > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Robert Parker > wrote: > >> > > > > > Ok until I get to the this instruction: > > > > Open the PulseAudio Volume Control application ("pavucontrol", or you can > > launch "Applications/Sound & Video/PulseAudio Device Chooser" and select > > Volume Control from this applet's menu). In the Output Devices section > you > > will see a listing of the playback devices available on your system. > > Right-click on the entry that you desire to be made the default playback > > device on your system and enable the "Default" checkmark. Similarly, > > navigate to Input Devices, then right-click on the device you wish to set > as > > your default input device (microphone), and ensure the "Default" setting > is > > checked. Close the application when you're finished. > > > > > There is no 'output section' that I can find. Tried every option. Am I > > missing something? > > On my system 'pavucontrol' gets me a box with 4 tabs, "Playback", > "Recording", "Output Devices", and "Input Devices". > On my system for "Output Devices" the list at the bottom right shows > "All Output Devices" and the the "Open Menu", at the top right, when > opened shows only "Default" which is checked. The "Input Devices" tab > shows "All Except Monitors" and again the only selectable item at the > top right is "Default" which is checked. > > I think all you need do is make sure that the "Default" option is checked. > > Maybe just attempt to configure Skype. You do need to be logged in to > do the configuration. > > Bob Parker > -- > In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead! > Turned out that Skype was turning off the mic so I disallowed skype from setting the mix levels. The next call I had was perfect. I'll see how it goes. Thanks so much to each of you! gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From holtzm at cox.net Tue Mar 31 21:48:07 2009 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:48:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole thing is > screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will re-install the entire > system again and NEVER try wicd again. Atta boy, Karl. For God's sake don't *ever* include any description of how the system is "screwed up" or what, if any, error messages you get or even try to run a search on the problem. Just jump on the list with a blanket proclamation. Keep up the good work. -- Bob Holtzman "The lab called. Your brain is ready." From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 31 21:32:37 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:32:37 +0200 Subject: Fwd: ExpressCard/34 not sending raw video through firewire... Help In-Reply-To: <200903312132.15313.kassube@gmx.net> References: <951a3dec0903310434l22bd8e61rf7d0aa4ebefeef9f@mail.gmail.com> <951a3dec0903311129h383dad3arf56268d530b2b4ba@mail.gmail.com> <200903312132.15313.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903312332.37801.kassube@gmx.net> Nuno Ribeiro wrote: > Hi. I didn't understood how could I reply a daily digest from ubuntu > mailing list. Could you put this back in the mailling list please? The digest mode is not very good for replying to the list. Anyway, I think you would reply to the mail as usual and then: a) Replace the To: address with the list address (if necessary). b) Replace the subject with the one of the original thread. c) Delete all those other mails from the reply which have nothing to do with your subject. > Yes, I had the Card pluged in. I don't found anything about my card > being supported in linux, however, the more linux is compatiblie, > more users might came end up here. Well, then it looks like your card isn't supported. > Ok, It was supposed to be plug and play. Plug and play - yes, but only for Windows, I suppose. > How can I get support, You could ask your vendor if they have a Linux driver for the card, but I'm more pessimistic about your chances they can help. > or at > least debug my error to development teams to try to find a generic > solution. As there is nothing seen with lspci, I suppose it is very difficult without more information about the chipset. Maybe someone else has an idea? > In my desktop, with a PCI slot, everything works fine, and the same > raw1394 permissions were set. The problem is that the card seams to > have a in built controller that is not loaded. In wintows it says > something like OHCI compliant device installed and some more advices. Well, the raw1394 permissions are a software setting which only applies _if_ there is a hardware that is supported by Linux. Without the supported hardware the permissions don't help. Nils From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:59:34 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:59:34 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> Res wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, allen meyers wrote: > > >> Karl: >> Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP >> notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I >> have been with HP 10 years. >> > > Agreed, HP are very Linux friendly, I wont comment further on Karl's usual > ...no, I wont, I'll shut up for once... > > > Your both full of shit! I can send you the email I got from HP if your calling me a liar, which you are! Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:03:22 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:03:22 -0600 Subject: wicd doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D27F02.7000507@gmail.com> <49D2838A.9020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2932A.4050900@gmail.com> Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > > >> Never NEVER try and reinstall NM AFTER wcid!! The whole thing is >> screwed up now. Thank god it is Jaunty and I will re-install the entire >> system again and NEVER try wicd again. >> > > Atta boy, Karl. For God's sake don't *ever* include any description of > how the system is "screwed up" or what, if any, error messages you get > or even try to run a search on the problem. Just jump on the list with a > blanket proclamation. > > Keep up the good work. > > There is nothing to send. I loaded wicd which deleted networkmanager and when I learned how to use wicd it put up a panel which said "No WiFi found". I did hit refresh and it did the same thing. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:05:01 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:05:01 -0500 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Res wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, allen meyers wrote: >> >> >>> Karl: >>> Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP >>> notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I >>> have been with HP 10 years. >>> >> >> Agreed, HP are very Linux friendly, I wont comment further on Karl's usual >> ...no, I wont, I'll shut up for once... >> >> >> >    Your both full of shit! I can send you the email I got from HP if > your calling me a liar, which you are! No, you're just wrong. Not lying, but wrong. And Res is not full of shit - at least not this time, anyway ;) Chris From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:06:19 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:06:19 -0600 Subject: Jaunty updates Message-ID: <49D293DB.6030903@gmail.com> There seems to be a problem with the servers for Jaunty updates and installs. I tried to install joe and thunderbird and both came back with no such packages. When I started the update manager it said the raw Beta is up to date. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From a.starr.b at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 00:46:19 2009 From: a.starr.b at gmail.com (Andrew) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:46:19 -0400 Subject: lxde and nm-applet situation is worse: Jaunty python upgrade prevents pygtk apps from working In-Reply-To: <1465972.guRLBDxBHy@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9b711ec60903271351t631f2489gc3a7ed21eb90c474@mail.gmail.com> <1465972.guRLBDxBHy@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Paulo Silva wrote: > >> Well, i'm not yet using Jaunty (still on Interpid) - and i got an >> annoying situation having both LXDE and Gnome installed - a dependence >> named lxnm, not only it's not working, as well it removes by conflict >> nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), and if we insist >> reinstalling LXDE, we take the risk on being completelly offline (if >> we only have wireless access), like happened to me. >> >> I think it were a MOTU 'disaster' on marking lxnm package as >> conflicting with network-manager-gnome >> >> I commented it at the LXDE mailing list, and they didn't like it at all as >> well >> >> I hope this situation can be fixed soon - and helping people who want >> to use LXDE working with nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), or >> having the freedom of choice - even from a larger wireless managers >> diversity (which may help us to know which ones are the very better) > > I'm not really sure what your issue is here, but there are a few things that > come to mind. > > 1) there should be a meta-package for network connections, which things like > network-manager should provide > > 2) LXDE is the real problem here - if it wants to run on Ubuntu, it really > needs to work with network-manager, because that's our default network > manager (???).   If it can, then it can provide a dependency on "lxnm | > network-manager" (surely not network-manager-gnome).  I'd be really, > really, surprised if this can't be fixed merely by providing those > alternate dependencies on the package and no other change. > > 3) I'm not sure network-manager really needs to be so exclusive, but there > must be _some_ network control applications that can't be installed, > because surely only one application can be managing any given connection. > -- > derek > As to this being a "MOTU disaster," lxnm is synced directly from Debian with no Ubuntu changes. You might want to file a bug in Debian or contact the Debian maintainer. The same Debian maintainer seems to maintain the whole LXDE stack, and undoubtedly knows this package better than us. He very well might have a good reason for the Conflicts on network-manager. See: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lxnm.html - Andrew Starr-Bochicchio Ubuntu Contributing Developer From amedee at vangasse.eu Sun Mar 29 16:59:49 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot Message-ID: Hello, Can Ubiquity handle /boot being on a different partition than / ? I have 3 hard disks, 2 of 120GiB and one of 200 GiB. The first partition on each disk is 1 GiB, the rest is LVM. It is my intention to configure RAID1 for sda1+sdb1+sdc1, but not now. Now I only want to install /boot on sda1. When I try that, Ubiquity gives the following error and sends me back to the partitioner: "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in (yadda yadda yadda) at /boot failed" This is the partition info that you'll probably want to know: root at ubuntu:~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xbb6dbb6d Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 131 1052226 83 Linux /dev/sda2 132 24321 194306175 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00055ab5 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000b526b Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdc2 132 14593 116166015 8e Linux LVM root at ubuntu:~# lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert gentoo32 system -wi-a- 20,00G home system -wi-a- 100,00G root system -wi-a- 50,00G swap system -wi-ao 6,00G ubuntu64 system -wi-a- 20,00G From tronador at cuteam.org Sun Mar 29 17:51:01 2009 From: tronador at cuteam.org (Guillermo Iguaran) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:51:01 -0500 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: 2009/3/29 Manuel Carrasco > Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una > placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. > Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? > Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es > un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower > ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco > > Muchas gracias por ayudarme. > > Te recomiendo intentar con Puppy Linux. Si puedes pillar un poco mas de RAM (192 - 256) podrias intentar con alguna distro que use como escritorio LXDE o XFCE. Sin tener ninguna aplicacion abierta el LXDE me consume cerca de 35MB de RAM, con pcman, abiword, gnumeric, midori, gpicview, lxtask consume cerca de 75MB de RAM Lee este articulo: http://linux.com/feature/128940 Saludos -- Colombia Underground Team - [foro.colombiaunderground.org] "Debian GNU/Linux is user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are." Usuario #24172 de Linux - [counter.li.org] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxmarin at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 18:11:15 2009 From: maxmarin at gmail.com (Maximiliano Marin Bustos) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:11:15 -0400 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: 2009/3/29 Maximiliano Marin Bustos : > 2009/3/29 Guillermo Iguaran : >> >> >> 2009/3/29 Manuel Carrasco >>> >>> Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca >>> memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una >>> placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. >>> Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? >>> Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es >>> un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower >>> ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco >>> >>> Muchas gracias por ayudarme. >>> >> >> Te recomiendo intentar con Puppy Linux. Si puedes pillar un poco mas de RAM >> (192 - 256) podrias intentar con alguna distro que use como escritorio LXDE >> o XFCE. >> >> Sin tener ninguna aplicacion abierta el LXDE me consume cerca de 35MB de >> RAM, con pcman, abiword, gnumeric, midori, gpicview, lxtask consume cerca de >> 75MB de RAM >> >> Lee este articulo: http://linux.com/feature/128940 >> >> Saludos >> >> -- >> Colombia Underground Team - [foro.colombiaunderground.org] >> "Debian GNU/Linux is user friendly... It's just selective about who its >> friends are." >> Usuario #24172 de Linux - [counter.li.org] >> >> > > Puedes instalar debian minimo y luego ponerle algo como awsome, > fluxbox o icewm. Algo bien minimalista. > > -- > Atte, > Maximiliano Marin > http://blog.maximilianomarin.com > Evita el cross posting -- Atte, Maximiliano Marin http://blog.maximilianomarin.com From amedee at vangasse.eu Sun Mar 29 19:14:04 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:14:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot In-Reply-To: <20090329110747.68d8c299@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20090329110747.68d8c299@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <067db0c1b4cb6c47c285842b84738158.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sun, March 29, 2009 19:07, Charlie Kravetz wrote: *snip* > Which image is this? I believe what you want to do is possible with the > alternate install cd. The desktop-cd has issues with a separate /boot > partition, I think. This is with the 64bit desktop cd for 8.10. I also tried with the 9.04 beta, but that image doesn't have network, which is a problem because then I cannot install LVM. (I need to do aptitude install lvm2) > You report a bug on this, since it should be possible and you have all > the information. Perhaps. First I'll try to install without a separate /boot, and then manually install the correct bootloader via chroot. > Good luck, Thank you. I need a lot of it. -- Amedee From dcarter at entertain-me.com Sun Mar 29 20:54:53 2009 From: dcarter at entertain-me.com (grandcross) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ubuntu Server and VIA C3 (particularly: Nemiah) In-Reply-To: <48EF65A6.2000906@gmail.com> References: <48EF65A6.2000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <22772602.post@talk.nabble.com> This got 8.04 LTS working for me... * Install from CD o Notice that the reboot fails to load the kernel * Boot from CD and enter recover mode o Launch a shell on the root partition o apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic. This replaces the server kernel with one that will boot on the VIA processor. o Edit the grub menu.lst + Remove all the references to the server kernel o Remove all files ending in -server from the /boot directory. This will prevent them from being accidentally added in future. * Reboot * Run apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24-19-server. This will prevent accidentally upgrading to a bad kernel. Moritz Reiter-3 wrote: > > The -server Kernel in Ubuntu seems to have had problems with some VIA C3 > CPUs which do not support the "cmov" command for a long time, i.e. they > didn't boot. That made it pretty hard to install Ubuntu Server on > machines with those CPUs. I had that problem with 8.04 Server. > > At the launchpad site for the bug some people claim that this is fixed > in Ubuntu 8.04.1 and 8.10 [1]. > > My question: Has anyone successfully installed Ubuntu Server 8.04.1 or a > current Beta of 8.10 on a VIA Nemiah based system? > > Thanks in advance! > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/254453 > > -- > Moritz Reiter > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ubuntu-Server-and-VIA-C3-%28particularly%3A-Nemiah%29-tp19919340p22772602.html Sent from the ubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tmccormack at charter.net Mon Mar 30 01:45:18 2009 From: tmccormack at charter.net (Tom) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:45:18 -0700 Subject: Sharing a printer Message-ID: <1238377518.17472.5.camel@tm-desktop> Hello, I am trying to share a printer from my desktop as I would be able to do from a Windows computer. I am able to find plenty of information on doing so in a mixed network but not a soley Ubuntu network. My printer is not able to be networked. Printer: HP Laser-Jet 2100 with out a NIC. Connection: Parallel cable Thank you, Tom From beer at vmobile.blackberry.com Mon Mar 30 01:51:07 2009 From: beer at vmobile.blackberry.com (beer at vmobile.blackberry.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:51:07 +0000 Subject: Problem starting Firefox session Message-ID: <328155487-1238377865-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1106349841-@bxe1271.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> All Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. From ben at linuxgazette.net Mon Mar 30 04:27:20 2009 From: ben at linuxgazette.net (Ben Okopnik) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:27:20 -0400 Subject: Name conflict (tripwire: /usr/sbin/siggen, siggen: /usr/bin/siggen) Message-ID: <20090330042720.GA9469@linuxgazette.net> Package: tripwire Severity: normal Just as described in the subject, there are two conflicting app names in these two packages - so entering "siggen" has arbitrary results depending on what's installed. Somebody needs to decide on a reasonable resolution strategy. Best regards, Ben Okopnik -=-=-=-=-=- -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers intrepid APT policy: (500, 'intrepid') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.24-16-generic (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash From Mark.Sheppard at disney.com Mon Mar 30 09:48:04 2009 From: Mark.Sheppard at disney.com (Sheppard, Mark) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:48:04 +0000 Subject: Prototype mismatch: sub main::__LONG_MAX__ () vs none Message-ID: <918738C226E29C488423AC1B6D203D2201C1758D@SM-GBLO-VXM31A.emea.wdpr.disney.com> Package: perl Version: 5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2 Severity: normal I'm getting this error from mon (which is written in Perl): Prototype mismatch: sub main::__LONG_MAX__ () vs none at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/_h2ph_pre.ph line 309 Googling for that message shows that Debian fixed this last August: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480428 Please could you fix it in Ubuntu too? Thanks, Mark. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers intrepid APT policy: (990, 'intrepid'), (500, 'intrepid-updates'), (500, 'intrepid-security') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.27-11-server (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages perl depends on: ii libc6 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libdb4.6 4.6.21-10 Berkeley v4.6 Database Libraries [ ii libgdbm3 1.8.3-3 GNU dbm database routines (runtime ii perl-base 5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2 The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbis ii perl-modules 5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2 Core Perl modules Versions of packages perl recommends: ii netbase 4.32ubuntu1 Basic TCP/IP networking system -- no debconf information From Mark.Sheppard at disney.com Mon Mar 30 10:18:42 2009 From: Mark.Sheppard at disney.com (Sheppard, Mark) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Subject: libfilesys-diskspace-perl: Fails to recognise cifs mounts Message-ID: <918738C226E29C488423AC1B6D203D2201C175D4@SM-GBLO-VXM31A.emea.wdpr.disney.com> Package: libfilesys-diskspace-perl Version: 0.05-11 Severity: normal I discovered and fixed this bug in Debian a while back. We've just transitioned stuff across to an Ubuntu server and the bug has come back :-(. Please could you apply the patch in this bug report to your package too: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491215 Thanks, Mark. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers intrepid APT policy: (990, 'intrepid'), (500, 'intrepid-updates'), (500, 'intrepid-security') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.27-11-server (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages libfilesys-diskspace-perl depends on: ii perl 5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction libfilesys-diskspace-perl recommends no packages. -- no debconf information From amedee at vangasse.eu Mon Mar 30 12:38:40 2009 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:38:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Ubiquity failed to mount /boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, March 30, 2009 13:20, Thorny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:55:05 +0200, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) posted: > > >> On Mon, March 30, 2009 11:15, Amedee Van Gasse (Ubuntu) wrote: >> >> >> *snip* >> >> >>> I was able to do a completely manual installation of grub on >>> /dev/sda1 >>> (/boot). It took me a couple of hours to figure out that this is >>> (hd0,0) for the livecd, but it's actually (hd2,0) when I'm booting >>> into grub. I needed the Super Grub Disk to find that out. >> >> Not only was (hd0,0) actually (hd2,0), what I thought was /dev/sda1 >> (and >> mounted as such in /etc/fstab) was actually /dev/sdc1. Result: only the >> kernel that was installed with the livecd worked correctly with LVM, >> the others didn't. >> >> [...] >> > > Yes, isn't the way that drives are enumerated differently these days a > joy? :-) Took me a while to get my head around that too. > > You might want to consider mounting by Label or UUID in your fstab rather > than device node. Personally I prefer by Label because I can usually > remember the Label I've given a partition easier than a long UUID string > but both work. Labeling the drives is on my todo-list and normally I always do that, but this time I just needed the dmn box to work as fast as possible. Next time I won't cut the corners. :-) From gcamposm at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:45:30 2009 From: gcamposm at gmail.com (Gonzalo L. Campos Medina) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:45:30 -0500 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: El 29/03/09, Manuel Carrasco escribió: > Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca > memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una > placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. > Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? > Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es > un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower > ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco > > Muchas gracias por ayudarme. > > -- Un sistema tan bajo de recursos no va ir bien con ninguna distribución actualizada de GNU/Linux (debo suponer que tu PC es un Pentium II o AMD K6-2). Y honestamente ese tipo de HW sólo lo utilizo como terminal, con LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) de esta forma puedo disponer de un OS moderno con el viejo HW. Los sistemas GNU/Linux actuales, con el más ligero de los entornos de escritorio requiere de al menos 384MB de memoria RAM; a menos que lo uses sin X, como un servidor de pruebas. -- Gonzalo L. Campos Medina http://www.ubuntu.com | http://www.ubuntu-es.org | http://www.ubuntu-pe.org L.R.U. #344192 | U.R.U. #161 Freenode #ubuntu-es #edubuntu-es #ubuntu-pe From maxmarin at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 18:09:14 2009 From: maxmarin at gmail.com (Maximiliano Marin Bustos) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:09:14 -0400 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: 2009/3/29 Guillermo Iguaran : > > > 2009/3/29 Manuel Carrasco >> >> Bueno, pues tengo la intención de instalar Linux en un PC con poca >> memoria ram (64 -128), y si quiero remplazarla tendría que comprarme una >> placa nueva, ram nuevas y más cosas, por lo que no me sale rentable. >> Entonces, ¿qué me recomendáis para reducir el uso de RAM al mínimo? >> Cualquier solución me podría valer. Lo único que conozco hasta ahora es >> un paquete que se instala desde instalación experto que se llama lower >> ram o algo así, que algo hace, aunque sea poco >> >> Muchas gracias por ayudarme. >> > > Te recomiendo intentar con Puppy Linux. Si puedes pillar un poco mas de RAM > (192 - 256) podrias intentar con alguna distro que use como escritorio LXDE > o XFCE. > > Sin tener ninguna aplicacion abierta el LXDE me consume cerca de 35MB de > RAM, con pcman, abiword, gnumeric, midori, gpicview, lxtask consume cerca de > 75MB de RAM > > Lee este articulo: http://linux.com/feature/128940 > > Saludos > > -- > Colombia Underground Team - [foro.colombiaunderground.org] > "Debian GNU/Linux is user friendly... It's just selective about who its > friends are." > Usuario #24172 de Linux - [counter.li.org] > > Puedes instalar debian minimo y luego ponerle algo como awsome, fluxbox o icewm. Algo bien minimalista. -- Atte, Maximiliano Marin http://blog.maximilianomarin.com From tronador at cuteam.org Tue Mar 31 04:53:26 2009 From: tronador at cuteam.org (Guillermo Iguaran) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:53:26 -0500 Subject: Instalar Linux en PC con poca RAM In-Reply-To: References: <1238346375.11862.11.camel@vtl> Message-ID: 2009/3/30 Gonzalo L. Campos Medina > > Un sistema tan bajo de recursos no va ir bien con ninguna distribución > actualizada de GNU/Linux (debo suponer que tu PC es un Pentium II o > AMD K6-2). Y honestamente ese tipo de HW sólo lo utilizo como > terminal, con LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) de esta forma puedo > disponer de un OS moderno con el viejo HW. > > Los sistemas GNU/Linux actuales, con el más ligero de los entornos de > escritorio requiere de al menos 384MB de memoria RAM; a menos que lo > uses sin X, como un servidor de pruebas. > Probaste con Xubuntu? Si ya lo probaste entonces te recomiendo que te enfoques mas en elegir los programas en vez de elegir distribución. Yo cuento con un equipo con CPU Cyrix Geode at 233Mhz (es un "i586-compatible" un poco mejor que el Pentium Classic, pero peor que el Pentium II), 288 de RAM (32MB integrado en board + 256MB SDRAM) y 4GB de almacenamiento (tarjeta CompactFlash en adaptador CF-to-IDE). La distribución que elegí fue Debian (aunque pudo haber sido cualquiera para i386) hice una instalacion minima y luego comence a instalar las aplicaciones que necesitaba. Elegí como escritorio LXDE (junto con gestor de sesion slim y gestor de ventanas Openbox), y lo tengo con aplicaciones ligeras: PCMan Filemanager como explorador de archivos, gpicview como visor de imagenes, leafpad como editor de texto, (pcman, gpicview, leafpad vienen con LXDE), Abiword como procesador de texto, GNUmeric como hoja de cálculo, LXMusic como reproductor de audio, MPlayer como reproductor de video, LXTask como monitor del sistema, Midori como navegador web, Claws como cliente de correo, Pidgin como mensajero instantaneo, Deluge como cliente bittorrent, ePDFView como lector PDF y alguna otra aplicacion que se me escapa ahora. Tambien me compile un kernel personalizado para elegir estrictamente las caracteristicas necesarias y agregar el soporte para realtime (me es bastante util para escuchar musica y reproducir videos sin saltos). Algunas de las aplicaciones que me servian tenian una traducciones incompletas al español (lxde y sus componentes, midori) asi que las he corregido, terminado de traducir y ya he enviado las traducciones actualizadas a los autores de los programas. Ahora mismo pruebo el consumo de recursos, el LXDE sin ninguna aplicacion abierta consume cerca de 35MB de RAM y abriendo pcman, gpicview, abiword, gnumeric, midori, lxtask paso a consumir 75MB, con todos esos programas todavia me queda mas de 200MB de RAM!!. Creo que el equipo puede ir bien con 128MB de RAM siempre que no se sobresature de trabajo. Mi recomendacion al iniciador de este hilo (Manuel) es que intente realizar algo similar si no encuentra una distribucion que se adapte a tus necesidades :). Saludos -- Colombia Underground Team - [foro.colombiaunderground.org] "Debian GNU/Linux is user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are." Usuario #24172 de Linux - [counter.li.org] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nmpribeiro at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:14:08 2009 From: nmpribeiro at gmail.com (Nuno Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:14:08 +0100 Subject: ExpressCard/34 not sending raw video through firewire... Seams like an hardware issue Message-ID: <951a3dec0903311514h5442c133s6c091f94b33ae7a1@mail.gmail.com> Well, I've sent an email to LINDY. I'm waiting for something. However, for everyone who wants to try support for this card, folow this: http://www.lindy-international.com/lindyshop/manuals/51500.pdf It's the most technical info i've found about it. If kernel didn't in fact had support for this (suposing it's only driver problem). About lspci: 4d:00.0 PCI bridge: Texas Instruments XI02000(A) /XI02200(A) PCI Express-to-PCI Bridge (rev 03) this is the closest to my card being detected, however, it should find something like this: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller (the windows driver that makes firewire go through the card). But, I'm no tech person so, I'll be waiting for some purposal to be sending info about my set to someone who might want to find the solution. Video editors will find this good :] On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Nuno Ribeiro wrote: > > Hi. I didn't understood how could I reply a daily digest from ubuntu > > mailing list. Could you put this back in the mailling list please? > > The digest mode is not very good for replying to the list. Anyway, I > think you would reply to the mail as usual and then: > > a) Replace the To: address with the list address (if necessary). > b) Replace the subject with the one of the original thread. > c) Delete all those other mails from the reply which have nothing to do > with your subject. > > > Yes, I had the Card pluged in. I don't found anything about my card > > being supported in linux, however, the more linux is compatiblie, > > more users might came end up here. > > Well, then it looks like your card isn't supported. > > > Ok, It was supposed to be plug and play. > > Plug and play - yes, but only for Windows, I suppose. > > > How can I get support, > > You could ask your vendor if they have a Linux driver for the card, but > I'm more pessimistic about your chances they can help. > > > or at > > least debug my error to development teams to try to find a generic > > solution. > > As there is nothing seen with lspci, I suppose it is very difficult > without more information about the chipset. Maybe someone else has an > idea? > > > In my desktop, with a PCI slot, everything works fine, and the same > > raw1394 permissions were set. The problem is that the card seams to > > have a in built controller that is not loaded. In wintows it says > > something like OHCI compliant device installed and some more advices. > > Well, the raw1394 permissions are a software setting which only applies > _if_ there is a hardware that is supported by Linux. Without the > supported hardware the permissions don't help. > > > Nils > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfreilly at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 31 22:25:57 2009 From: sfreilly at roadrunner.com (Steve Reilly) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:25:57 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <49D20670.6050609@haskinferguson.net> <880dece00903310512rc996178r8e632a7957ddc54a@mail.gmail.com> <49D21358.5020003@ercbroadband.org> Message-ID: <49D29875.7070209@roadrunner.com> Mark Haney wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> That's a pretty strong statement. Unless you specifically bought a laptop >>> from them with Ubuntu and your support contract said they would support >>> Ubuntu on it, I'm not sure why you would have expected any other outcome >>> than you got. >>> >> Actually, he got the expected outcome. >> >> However, now the hundreds of ubuntu-users list members know to avoid >> HP computers. When HP decides that they want our business, let them >> first support the OS that we intend to run. >> > > I totally disagree. If anyone has recently purchased a DELL with > Ubuntu, they don't really support it either. I will see if I can dig up > that post I saw about Dell but they /install/ it but that doesn't mean > they really /support/ it. yeah i remember seeing the same thing, dont know if it was a post though. i remember seeing it right on the portion of their website where you order. ubuntu support options stated- community support, and then they had the option to buy support. its not there anymore at least not out in the open. > > I avoid Dell like the plague. I have had nothing but pain from them for > laptops/desktops, but my HPs/Compaq's have been running FLAWLESSLY for > years now. In fact, I have one HP (my MP3 jukebox) has an uptime of > over 4 years now. > > If you avoid EVERY vendor who won't support linux you'll end up either > being without a computer or having to build your own. > > > From stude.list at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 22:27:40 2009 From: stude.list at googlemail.com (Andy) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:27:40 +0100 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <219482c0903311527l5861fc68yaa654199f257a73@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Karl F. Larsen : >    Your both full of shit! I can send you the email I got from HP if > your calling me a liar, which you are! First please moderate your language, profanity is not called for. Secondly I don't see anyone calling you a liar. HP as a whole are friendly to Linux. They are Platinum members of the Linux Foundation[1] they support a number of open source projects including Debian[2] (Ubuntu is derived from Debian) and they have a large number of open source printer drivers[3] for Linux. Thier tech support may not support Linux, but having had the joy of using HP tech support to try and get a Windows PC fixed I know they barely support Windows (in fact they couldn't fix my problem and couldn't even be bothered to give me a ring back despite promising to do so). I guess HP just have poor consumer tech support. Luckily I rarely have to resort to calling tech support. And besides we have the wonderful people here for Linux tech support. Unfortunately Canonical don't really offer support for hardware problems (nice one Canonical!!!) so you can't even pay for support if you wanted to. Andy [1] http://beta.linuxfoundation.org/about/members [2] http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/600004-0-0-0-121.html [3] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:33:28 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:33:28 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > >> Res wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, allen meyers wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Karl: >>>> Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP >>>> notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I >>>> have been with HP 10 years. >>>> >>>> >>> Agreed, HP are very Linux friendly, I wont comment further on Karl's usual >>> ...no, I wont, I'll shut up for once... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Your both full of shit! I can send you the email I got from HP if >> your calling me a liar, which you are! >> > > No, you're just wrong. Not lying, but wrong. And Res is not full of > shit - at least not this time, anyway ;) > > Chris > > Here is a email I received from HP Support: Dear Karl F, Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. >From your e-mail, I understand that your Notebook is also installed with Linux operating system and have issue with wifi hardware. I understand how important the issue is to you. Let me assist you. I am sorry to inform you that HP supports only the preinstalled Operating System. HP is unable to guarantee how Linux Operating system will function on a PC not originally designed and/or tested for this new operating system. Karl F, HP does not recommend installing of Linux Operating System; it could not guarantee a high level of compatibility for all basic hardware and software components of the PCs. PC device drivers (including graphics, BIOS, chipset, etc) for some PC components may simply not be available. I regret for the inconvenience caused. HP does not support Linux on any models of HP Pavilion PCs at this time. Information about Linux can be located at the following Web site: http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/index.html HP pre-installed the latest version of the Microsoft Windows operating System (98, Me, XP) on your Pavilion PC. The Warranty on your Pavilion system does not apply to software not provided by HP and does not apply to defects or errors in hardware resulting from software not provided by HP with that system. Please review your PC documentation to identify the supported operating system. I apologize for the inconvenience caused and appreciate your patience and cooperation. However, the issue might be with the corrupted drivers. Therefore, I request you to uninstall and install the drivers. If you need further assistance, please reply to this message and we will be happy to assist you further. For information on keeping your HP and Compaq products up and running, please visit our Web site at:http://www.hp.com/go/totalcare Sincerely, Nicole HP Total Care Our advice is strictly limited to the question(s) asked and is based on the information provided to us. HP does not assume any responsibility or liability for the advice given and shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, special, incidental or consequential damages in connection with the use of this information. Always back up your data. For more information, including technical information updates, please visit our Web site at http://www.hp.com/support. HP does not require you to send any financial data in your reply to this email. As a prudent reminder, do not insert credit card details or other financial information in any e-mail replies. Original TextFrom: klarsen1 at gmail.com To: HP Support CC: Sent: 03/30/09 20:05:26 Subject: Compaq Presario CQ50-215NR Notebook PC e-mail support hp e-mail support Webform submittal date/time : 30 March 2009 20:06:03 UTC language_code : en language : English Country of Residence : United States product_line : KV product_oid : 3795238 product_name : Compaq Presario CQ50-215NR Notebook PC part_number : FS051UA,FS051UAR purchase month : 11 purchase year : 2008 problem area : other serial number : 2CE8342H5V operating system : Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic 32 Is your computer unable to work with accessory products? Please select all that apply. : other What type and brand of CD/DVD media do you use? : all Was the CD/DVD writer drive built into the computer when you purchased it? : yes problem description : Every thing works fine on Vista. I have Ubuntu Linux also loaded by me, and the WiFi hardware used to be left on after a Windows use, but now it does not. Is there a way to turn on the atheros AR5007 and leave it running all the time? troubleshooting : Tried using the red button near the on-off button but no use. It can't be turned on with Linux working. tech skill : Advanced first name : Karl last name : Larsen phone : 575 524-3303 email : klarsen1 at gmail.com form url : $emailformprotocol://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/email?product=3795238&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&cc=us form country : United States As you can see the ??Expert?? changed talking to my laptop and started saying it is a GE Pavillion?? I lost all my hoped for credibility towards HP. I had to fix the laptop they built myself. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From cr33dog at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:42:30 2009 From: cr33dog at gmail.com (Chris Mohler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:42:30 -0500 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: [snip] Unless you're paying for enterprise level support, this is the response you are going to get. >    As you can see the ??Expert?? changed talking to my laptop and > started saying it is a GE Pavillion?? I lost all my hoped for > credibility towards HP. I had to fix the laptop they built myself. By "fix", I assume you mean undo the misconfiguration that you introduced. In your case HP is a hardware vendor - their responsibility is to ensure your hardware is working properly. If you choose to install an OS that is not officially supported by HP (on your hardware), they are not going to help you at all - nor should they. Chris From stude.list at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 22:48:11 2009 From: stude.list at googlemail.com (Andy) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:48:11 +0100 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <219482c0903311548p8bf6fb4xde9449de45bfd8ea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 Karl F. Larsen : > HP pre-installed the latest version of the Microsoft Windows operating > System (98, Me, XP) on your Pavilion PC. Apparently even HP are trying to pretend Vista doesn't exist! I wonder if HP still ship Windows 98 machines? > phone : 575 524-3303 Are you *sure* you wanted to send your phone number to a publicly archived mailing list? (too late to do anything about it now anyway) Andy -- $ fortune bug, n: A son of a glitch. From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 22:50:01 2009 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:01 -0700 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs In-Reply-To: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> Message-ID: On 03/31/2009 03:46 AM, Karl Auer wrote: > Hi There. > > I have this odd problem: When I clone a VirtualBox VM, networking will > not work in the clone. Specifically, there is no eth0 device! > I think that you might have better luck asking on the VirtualBox user discussion list: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Mailing_lists It's a pretty active list & several of the developers also hangout/monitor there. Note: the volume can be pretty high, so if you only need to drop in on occassion then I'd recommend using gmane.org for viewing, searching, and posting. From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:50:16 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:50:16 -0600 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> <49D29A38.30106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D29E28.4050902@gmail.com> Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote: > [snip] > > Unless you're paying for enterprise level support, this is the > response you are going to get. > > >> As you can see the ??Expert?? changed talking to my laptop and >> started saying it is a GE Pavillion?? I lost all my hoped for >> credibility towards HP. I had to fix the laptop they built myself. >> > > By "fix", I assume you mean undo the misconfiguration that you introduced. > > In your case HP is a hardware vendor - their responsibility is to > ensure your hardware is working properly. If you choose to install an > OS that is not officially supported by HP (on your hardware), they are > not going to help you at all - nor should they. > > Chris > > I figured you would be happy to see how well HP explained they can't support this customer who asked a real simple question. Karl From Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com Tue Mar 31 22:53:29 2009 From: Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com (=JeffH) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:53:29 -0700 Subject: ubuntu 8.* on Dell E-series laptops (32 and 64 bit) Message-ID: <49D29EE9.9030703@KingsMountain.com> Has anyone loaded up 8.04 and/or 8.10 (32 and/or 64 bit) on a Dell E-series (6500 specifically) ? If so are there any gotchas (like with peripherials such as audio, video drivers, touchpad, etc)? There's various griping about that machine in the forums at Dell wrt Windows on it, sounds like some audio driver and/or settings issues, plus hardware (mis)features. (however, the machine supports > 4 gig memory and has fast bus, and so is of interest to me). (I got to look at a colleagues' E6400 this morning and don't think the case is all that "cheap" as some on dell forums are claiming, but the guy hasn't had his all that long either) thanks, =JeffH From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 23:07:48 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:07:48 -0300 Subject: wicd doesn't work References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1446935.qm8rMRsc0Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > I was told wicd is the way to go so I used apt-get to install it. I > have it installed on my 9.04 Jaunty Beta and when I got the 8.10 working > fine this wicd does nothing. I mean nothing! _wicd_ is the way to go when you can't get Network Manager to work. But of course, if you can't get Network Manager to work, there may be problems that WiCD can't handle either. > > Is there a simple way to get wicd to work? No -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 23:00:50 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:00:50 -0300 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> Message-ID: <1818891.zqH4WOQRep@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl Auer wrote: > Hi There. > > I have this odd problem: When I clone a VirtualBox VM, networking will > not work in the clone. Specifically, there is no eth0 device! > > Some hints in Google led me to edit the > file /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules to ignore VB > MAC addresses. Are you putting these cloned machines on the same LAN? Certainly you should be giving them different MAC addresses. Which in VirtualBox you would do by pushing a button that says something like "generate MAC address". > Is anyone out there using cloned VirtualBox VMs successfully? If so, > what did you do to make it work? Yeah, and nothing :-) > > BTW this is all with VirtualBox 2.1.4, using "host interface" network > adaption. but not since 1.6 -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 23:05:21 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:05:21 -0300 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <200903311936.08201.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <1970059.JsNoGrFx1o@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > Are you saying that you drove out into the desert, until you lost all WiFi > signals, then did the procedure as above? If it worked, it worked, and I'm > not making fun of you here. The "desert"? I live on the edge of a reasonably large metropolis, and trust me, it isn't hard not to have connectivity... -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 22:56:49 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:56:49 -0300 Subject: disk uuid changes at boot-time? References: <200903301552.44934.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4959338.KSPPEl05C2@cedar.serverforest.com> <200903310843.57421.fluca1978@infinito.it> <49D21B90.9010301@tigershaunt.com> Message-ID: <1392659.oOHeKCDK1Y@cedar.serverforest.com> Rashkae wrote: > Luca Ferrari wrote: > Well, umm, simply put, 'that's impossible,' And I'm pretty sure I know > what the word means :) I'm with you :-) > The large and confusing number of partitions might make it difficult to > spot where the confusion is happening, so please bare with me. Of course, it's also unlikely that mount was often tested with so many mount points. I counted 14 under /backups - but I could be +/- 2. :-) -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 23:03:58 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:03:58 -0300 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <880dece00903310730j2b38f585k6a9f0db2584b658f@mail.gmail.com> <8ed26fb20903310801o61073c43uae73fb3903cf54c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8325791.xzrTID4Msi@cedar.serverforest.com> Bas Jacobs wrote: > If I say something stupid please note so, but what if you remove the > driver from vista? It won't be able to disable the hardware anymore i > assume? Or if you "force kill" vista by holding the on/off button for 5 > seconds? (Although this leads to partitions not being accessable from > linux due to a lockfile.) Interesting solutions - both of which I suspect would work. The latter isn't really a problem - it's not a "lockfile" as such, it's that the file system is now marked "dirty" and needs a scandisk in Windows. You can use fsck from Linux. -- derek From unreal.linux at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:26:10 2009 From: unreal.linux at gmail.com (Dirk Freitag) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:26:10 -0400 Subject: Don't buy HP computers In-Reply-To: <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> References: <49D20222.1070301@gmail.com> <1238486171.3743.33.camel@debian.gateway.2wire.net> <49D29246.4010502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2A692.4000507@gmail.com> Karl F. Larsen wrote: > Res wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, allen meyers wrote: >> >> >>> Karl: >>> Really sorry to hear about this as my experience with bith my HP >>> notebook and desktop from a support perspective differs from yours and I >>> have been with HP 10 years. >>> >> Agreed, HP are very Linux friendly, I wont comment further on Karl's usual >> ...no, I wont, I'll shut up for once... >> >> >> > Your both full of shit! I can send you the email I got from HP if > your calling me a liar, which you are! > > > Karl > > Karl, They were not calling you a liar. What they are simply stating is that just because you had one bad experience does not mean that all of HP's Linux support is garbage. The relationship that you have with HP, whether it be bad or good is *your* relationship with them. What you perceive to be true about a company is true about your experiences with them, not about everyone elses experiences with that company. You had a really bad experience with HP. Fine, I will concede to that. But that doesn't mean that I will have a bad experience, or the next guy will. Each situation is different for everyone. You really need to stop generalizing. -- Dirk Freitag Linux Registered User Number 487244 [http://counter.li.org/] -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users From klarsen1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:28:40 2009 From: klarsen1 at gmail.com (Karl F. Larsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:28:40 -0600 Subject: Fix for HP Laptops In-Reply-To: <1970059.JsNoGrFx1o@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <49D22815.20706@gmail.com> <200903311936.08201.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1970059.JsNoGrFx1o@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <49D2A728.9040702@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > >> Are you saying that you drove out into the desert, until you lost all WiFi >> signals, then did the procedure as above? If it worked, it worked, and I'm >> not making fun of you here. >> > > The "desert"? I live on the edge of a reasonably large metropolis, and > trust me, it isn't hard not to have connectivity... > Yes here at home I used to be able to just un-plug my router and there would be no WiFi signals. But now I get 4 neighbors wiFi quite strong. But I live in NM so a short drive to the Cotton Gin was all it took to loose all WiFi signals. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7 From thezorch at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:40:35 2009 From: thezorch at gmail.com (Michael Haney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:40:35 -0400 Subject: I'm Building a $200 Linux Desktop Message-ID: I plan on building a machine specifically for Ubuntu. After talking about it with the members of my Ubuntu users group online I came up this configuration which I could easily build for just over $200. They tell me the specs I've selected are excellent for an Ubuntu system, so I wanted to share this with everyone else who might be interested in doing the same thing. The plan calls for buying some parts and recycling parts from an existing system. Here are the purchased components: * $49 APEX MI-008 Black Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 250W Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Cases+(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-APEX+(SUPERCASE/ALLIED)-_-11154091 * $81 Intel BOXD945GCLF2 (2GHz dual core) Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboard+/+CPU+/+VGA+Sets-_-Intel-_-13121359 * $41.99 Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136075 * $19.99 Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134192&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Kingston+Technology-_-20134192 Parts you'd recycle from your old Ubuntu PC: * IDE DVD-RW Drive * USB Keyboard and Mouse * Monitor -- Michael "TheZorch" Haney thezorch at gmail.com http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home Skype: thezorch (Voice and/or Chat) AIM: thezorch at gmail.com Yahoo IM: zorchhaney ICQ: 343230252 GoogleTalk: thezorch MSN Messeger: haneymichael at hotmail.com Free Your Computer from the Tyranny of Microsoft www.ubuntu.com From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Mar 31 23:42:38 2009 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:42:38 +1100 Subject: cloning virtualbox VMs In-Reply-To: <1818891.zqH4WOQRep@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1238496384.6605.285.camel@karl> <1818891.zqH4WOQRep@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1238542958.6605.346.camel@karl> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 20:00 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Are you putting these cloned machines on the same LAN? Certainly you should > be giving them different MAC addresses. Which in VirtualBox you would do > by pushing a button that says something like "generate MAC address". As noted, all the VMs have different MAC addresses. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) GPG fingerprint: 07F3 1DF9 9D45 8BCD 7DD5 00CE 4A44 6A03 F43A 7DEF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hs.samix at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:53:12 2009 From: hs.samix at gmail.com (H.S.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:53:12 -0400 Subject: Jaunty updates In-Reply-To: <49D293DB.6030903@gmail.com> References: <49D293DB.6030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl F. Larsen wrote: > There seems to be a problem with the servers for Jaunty updates and > installs. I tried to install joe and thunderbird and both came back with > no such packages. When I started the update manager it said the raw Beta > is up to date. > > Karl > What does this give? $> aptitude search joe $> aptitude search Next, if you want to know what is the status and description of a package, do: $> aptitude show I think one needs at least the above info to make a guess if and what is the problem. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 31 23:57:35 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:57:35 -0600 Subject: I'm Building a $200 Linux Desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090331175735.43fbb017@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:40:35 -0400 Michael Haney wrote: > I plan on building a machine specifically for Ubuntu. After talking > about it with the members of my Ubuntu users group online I came up > this configuration which I could easily build for just over $200. > They tell me the specs I've selected are excellent for an Ubuntu > system, so I wanted to share this with everyone else who might be > interested in doing the same thing. The plan calls for buying some > parts and recycling parts from an existing system. > > Here are the purchased components: > * $49 APEX MI-008 Black Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 250W Power > Supply - > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Cases+(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-APEX+(SUPERCASE/ALLIED)-_-11154091 > > * $81 Intel BOXD945GCLF2 (2GHz dual core) Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini > ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboard+/+CPU+/+VGA+Sets-_-Intel-_-13121359 > > * $41.99 Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache > SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136075 > > * $19.99 Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop > Memory - > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134192&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Kingston+Technology-_-20134192 > > Parts you'd recycle from your old Ubuntu PC: > * IDE DVD-RW Drive > * USB Keyboard and Mouse > * Monitor > Thanks for sharing this. You don't show what the video will be, but if that is Intel 945 video also, you may want to take a look at the release notes for Jaunty, which is showing issues withe the intel video now. Hopefully, it can be fixed before the final release, but it has not been yet. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta Good luck, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 31 23:09:30 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:09:30 -0300 Subject: wicd doesn't work References: <49D2721E.70101@gmail.com> <49D2750C.3080709@gmail.com> <200903312212.05377.kassube@gmx.net> <49D28036.2020600@gmail.com> <49D28144.10204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3189185.MhqAhik4iC@cedar.serverforest.com> Dirk Freitag wrote: > Try "network-manager-gnome" or network-manager-kde -- derek