Programming language for children
gmane at auxbuss.com
Mon Jun 15 07:08:46 UTC 2009
CLIFFORD ILKAY said:
> On 14/06/09 02:51 PM, marc wrote:
>> One thing I don't agree with here is the avoidance of an IDE. Modern
>> IDEs are superb tools that do a huge amount of donkey work for you and
>> organise your work. And they're fun!
> They are nothing but a distraction for beginners and serve only to
My experience is the complete opposite. Beginners want to see results and
build on them.
> They have to walk before they can run so let them learn the
> fundamentals of programming first, learn the language constructs for
> their particular language, and after they have some comfort level with
> that, you can introduce an IDE.
Nah! Give the student a fun environment in which to work and they'll
learn what they need when they need it and be comfortable experimenting.
> Of course we may be talking about two
> completely different things when we say "IDE" because IDLE claims to be
> an IDE but so does Eclipse. Putting Eclipse in front of a beginner is a
> lost cause. It's overwhelmingly complex and can be very discouraging to
> someone who is just starting.
I put a complete beginner in front of Netbeans recently - a sales
manager's admin - and she was happily tapping away after ten minutes. The
IDE was not a barrier at all; as I said, quite the opposite.
"Change requires small steps."
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