OT: printer support [was: Re: Should I add this Repo?]

Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 27 20:02:07 UTC 2008

Obviously we disagree and you seem to be ignoring the fact that my printer is brand new and the drivers are not downstream yet. True, HP has the drivers in most distros if not all but I wouldn't spend my money for one of their low printing quality, high priced, ink grubbing printers. I'd stay with Epson before that. I did read all your reasons listed below and on your previous posts and think you might be doing Brother a discredit. Personally, I was very pleased that I was able to install my printer from Brother's site when the new drivers were not downstream yet. I still call that great support even with the --force-architecture.

Leonard Chatagnier
lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org> wrote:

> From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
> Subject: OT: printer support [was: Re: Should I add this Repo?]
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 1:41 PM
> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 08:45 -0700, Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
> > If you really want to know, suggest you ask the Ubuntu
> Developers
> > instead of me, an ordinary home user.
> I don't ask, and to be honest I don't really care.
> I just objected to
> the notion that "best linux support" somehow
> means "drivers that are not
> in the repo and cannot be installed cleanly"
> > In my case it was --force-architecture that was
> needed.  See below for
> > more input. Also, I wasn't trying to refute what
> you said and was
> > replying specifically to Dotan's post about it
> being so dangerous
> > which in my case, I don't think so and I do trust
> Brother and it's
> > linux/Ubuntu support.
> I don't want to argue, either. Nevertheless, a
> well-built package needs
> no force, period.
> In the case of your printer, --force-architecture probably
> was harmless,
> but for the sake of completeness (and in case someone finds
> this post in
> Google and concludes that --force-architecture is always
> harmless, which
> is wrong):
> mario at chronic: ~ $ dpkg --force-help
> dpkg forcing options - control behaviour when problems
> found:
> <snip>
>   architecture [!]       Process even packages with wrong
> architecture
> <snip>
> WARNING - use of options marked [!] can seriously damage
> your
> installation.
> <snip>
> mario at chronic: ~ $ 
> > Think not. Visit the links I gave on another post. The
> links give
> > explicit detailed instructions of how to install my
> specific model and
> > it worked first time. 
> I don't dispute this. See further up for what I took
> issue with.
> > That's better support than I've seened on any
> distro or printer
> > manufacturer. And that's what I call *Best*
> support. 
> I think that you are being unfair to those printer
> manufacturers who
> provide drivers that are right there in the repos, such as
> HP.
> Last time I set up an HP, I went to System >
> Administration > Printing
> and clicked New. It automatically found the correct model,
> installed the
> driver and I was done.
> I don't want to talk bad about Brother, it's nice
> if they provide
> drivers. But we should expect more than having to force
> badly built
> packages before we use the label "best linux
> support"
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