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H.S. hs.samix at gmail.com
Sat Oct 18 16:16:02 UTC 2008

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/10/18 H.S. <hs.samix at gmail.com>:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> 1) Before Fedora came around, arrogance was the norm. Fedora was the
>>> first Linux mailing list that was truly newbie friendly. Ubuntu has
>> The very first Linux distro I used for Red Hat 8.0. Changed to Debian
>> around RH 10. But the very first polite mailing list related to Linux
>> that I saw was Debian-user.
> While I love debian-user, they still are very short-tempered with
> regard to RTFMs and hand-holding. Actually, that's he reason that l

Oh yeah, the RTFM thing. That is a plague which, I am glad to say, is on
the decline over there too. But compared to the logical purists, the so
called "Linux gurus", that list is very very polite and social.

These days the users who get high by commanding the 'lesser mortal' to
RTFM are flourishing in the gnuplot user mailing list for example (I
wonder if they throw programming and math books at their infant kids and
tell them to RTM and become programmars in a few years :) ). There the
developers seem to have no distinction between a user's guide and a
function reference manual. Such people think that if they are logically
right, then they must be gods. I think if things get a bit worse, or
better for them, then the source code will be the sole documentation
acceptable to them.

> love that list. It is on a higher competency level than ubuntu-users

True. Debian user posters are very knowledgeable and the posts are very
informative (I have since noticed that gentoo web pages and wiki pages
are also quite detailed and informative). This list, by the nature of
new users, is quite understandably newbie-like and gets usage-oriented
queries. But that is a good thing, IMHO. A novice just cannot cope with
all the conf file and command line options and actually needs some hand
holding initially. That is where Ubuntu is so unique, it aims to make
the distro user friendly, yet secure and robust like Debian, without
making it necessary for a user to now a dozen scripting languages.


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