ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 45, Issue 231
Rafael Barreto
rafaelbarreto at bellsouth.net
Mon May 19 02:22:57 UTC 2008
Hi, Steve, I have installed virtualbox, now I can't load winXP as a guest
OS. Can you or anybody explain...? You people are doing a terrific job at
these mailing lists. I think Ubuntu can be a Windows competitor soon...
Thank you all.
Rafael.
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> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:39:14 +1000
> From: Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Gmail pop
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> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 08:53:01AM +1000, James Gray wrote:
>> Carl Spitzer wrote:
>> > Strange problem no access to pop3 Gmail in 7.04 from Evolution.
>> > Pop3 does work in another distro along with all other pop accounts,
>> > hotpop, lavabit, myrealbox, keepandbeararms, bluebottle and the ISP.
>> >
>> > It works at home in SuSE but not the library in Feisty.
>> >
>> > What is different with Gmail ?
>>
>> Maybe your library is blocking access to TCP/110 (POP3)? What happens
>
> Gmail pop uses "pops" on port 995 , not pop3 on 110.
>
> When configuring to use a mail client with enabled pop gmail, you need
> to be careful about setting the right ports - for pop, imap or indeed
> smtp via gmail.
>
> gmail smtp is on port 587 , pops on 995 and imaps on 993
>
> Hope this helps, etc.
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> Thank you, Steve Reily, I will try virtualbox...!
> Rafael.
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>> 1. Re: from fedora to ubuntu (Nat Gross)
>> 2. Re: FS error / please assist (SYNass IT Ubuntu / Linux)
>> 3. Re: Gmail pop (James Gray)
>> 4. Re: Dual Head doesn't work (James Gray)
>> 5. Re: Why so big? (Karl Larsen)
>> 6. Re: FS error / please assist (Mike Bird)
>> 7. Unable to send/receive e-mail between my e-mail server
>> Postfix/Dovecot and a client. (Cassius V. de Magalhaes)
>> 8. Virtual machine (Rafael Barreto)
>> 9. Re: Virtual machine (steve)
>> 10. Re: [OT] Mono politics [was: Re: Compile Mono] (Steve Lamb)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:51:25 -0400
>> From: "Nat Gross" <nat101l at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: from fedora to ubuntu
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr."
>> <microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Nat Gross wrote:
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Chris Mohler <cr33dog at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nat Gross <nat101l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > And I never have found a use for yum on Ubuntu :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > What about multimedia, mp3's and wmv. Works out of the box?
>> > Also, the apt repos. Is there one huge repos that has all the stuff,
>> > or do I need the various repos like livna, freshrpm's, and worry about
>> > the conflicts?
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah - you can say goodbye to the conflicts. Most of the codecs are
>> > in the Multiverse repo if they're not installed already.
>> >
>> >
>> > A couple things I found helpful during migration:
>> >
>> > sudo ln -s /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d /usr/sbin/service (or just remember
>> > "invoke-rc.d" - but I can't :)
>> >
>> > sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf (there seems to be no chkconfig)
>> > sudo sysv-rc-conf (to turn on/off services)
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you all.
>> > Hope to give it a spin on Sunday.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Handling MP3's is easy; Ubuntu will ask you if you want to install the
>> > codecs. Because of legal systems that allow software patents (like the
>> > USA), a warning will come up saying, "This may or not be legal
>> > depending on
>> > what country you're in."
>> >
>> > Better to download (or rip) OGG's whenever possible, though. :-)
>> >
>> > WMV's, on the other hand, might take a bit more work, but not too much
>> > more. A buddy just recently ran into this with Hardy. He tried
>> > downloading
>> > what looked to both of us like MPlayer's codec package. However,
>> > things
>> > didn't work out for him, for some reason. I told him, just download
>> > the
>> > codecs from www.mplayerhq.hu, and he did, and boom, things worked
>> > perfectly. The codecs need to go into /usr/lib/codecs, IIRC. I do
>> > know
>> > that when you compile MPlayer yourself (that's what I usually do), the
>> > codecs need to go into /usr/local/lib/codecs.
>> >
>> Thanks for the info. When and if I get 4.08 running I need to come
>> back to this post.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:41 +0800
>> From: SYNass IT Ubuntu / Linux <i-ubux at synass.net>
>> Subject: Re: FS error / please assist
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <1211152661.6082.24.camel at WS222>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 11:53 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
>> > (User expected /dev/sda to have partitions but user has none.)
>> >
>> > If the data is valuable to you then I would recommend taking
>> > your drive to a good local linux guru to see if the partitions
>> > can be recovered.
>> >
>> > --Mike Bird
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike
>> Thanks for your appreciated concerns, feedback and help !
>> I would love to get assistance from a local linux guru. ;-)
>>
>> By nature, here is deep province near the jungle borders and by IT it's
>> almost fully M$ W...doof only dominated: Believe more than 99.9% but
>> properly licensed !? ;-|
>>
>> My Linux gurus are you folks !!! ;-D
>>
>> Current condition:
>> With S.G.D (Super Grub Disk) I got my 2 OS'es working again. ;-))
>>
>> Will stop any further experiments till I have all my important data
>> saved !!! ;-)
>>
>> Unfortunately as Linux greenhorn / newbie I am not experienced how to
>> get this done best, easiest, fast and safest. ;-|
>>
>> Wlll try to Backup / CP to am external USB HDD drive and hope for not
>> forgetting or loosing any important data, especially from Thunderbird.
>>
>> Any helpful hints and suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, svobi
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:53:01 +1000
>> From: James Gray <james at gray.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: Gmail pop
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <4830B34D.9030405 at gray.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Carl Spitzer wrote:
>> > Strange problem no access to pop3 Gmail in 7.04 from Evolution.
>> > Pop3 does work in another distro along with all other pop accounts,
>> > hotpop, lavabit, myrealbox, keepandbeararms, bluebottle and the ISP.
>> >
>> > It works at home in SuSE but not the library in Feisty.
>> >
>> > What is different with Gmail ?
>>
>> Maybe your library is blocking access to TCP/110 (POP3)? What happens
>> if you type "telnet <ip-for-gmail-pop> 110" (without the "")? If it
>> times out or you get a connection refused, your library doesn't want you
>> accessing it. If you get a welcome banner, you're connected and there
>> is a configuration problem in Evolution.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:49:36 +1000
>> From: James Gray <james at gray.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: Dual Head doesn't work
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <4830B280.9000200 at gray.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> drew einhorn wrote:
>>
>> > I have a couple of ATI cards. Here's the output from lspci:
>> >
>> > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW
>> > [Radeon 7500]
>> > 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon
>> > 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
>> > 02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200
>> > PRO]
>> > (Secondary) (rev 01)
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > Section "Screen"
>> > Identifier "Screen0"
>> > Device "0 ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon
>> > 7500]"
>> > Monitor "ULTRASCAN1600HS"
>> > DefaultDepth 24
>> > SubSection "Display"
>> > Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
>> > "640x480"
>> > EndSubSection
>> > EndSection
>> >
>> > Section "Screen"
>> > Identifier "Screen1"
>> > Device "1 ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]"
>> > Monitor "ULTRASCANP99"
>> > Defaultdepth 24
>> > SubSection "Display"
>> > Depth 24
>> > Modes "1400x1050"
>> > EndSubSection
>> > EndSection
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > It almost works. Both Desktops come up.
>> > Except the pixels at right and left edges of the desktop are are all
>> > squised together
>> > into a bright lines. Everything to the left of "ations" in the
>> > "Applications" pulldown
>> > is missing on the left and everything to the right of May in the Date.
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > (==) ServerLayout "DualHead"
>> > (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
>> > (**) | |-->Monitor "ULTRASCAN1600HS"
>> > (**) | |-->Device "0 ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon
>> > 7500]"
>> > (**) |-->Screen "Screen1" (1)
>> > (**) | |-->Monitor "ULTRASCANP99"
>> > (**) | |-->Device "1 ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV280 [Radeon 9200
>> > PRO]"
>> > (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
>> > (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
>> > (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1)
>> > found
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > (--) RADEON(1): Chipset: "ATI Radeon 9250 5960 (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x5960)
>>
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > (WW) RADEON(0): No crtc mode list for crtc 1,continuing with desired
>> > mode
>> > disable montype: 1
>> -->8-- SNIPPED -->8--
>>
>> > (WW) RADEON(1): No crtc mode list for crtc 1,continuing with desired
>> > mode
>> > disable montype: 1
>>
>> By the look of this, you've specified modes in the screen sections
>> (above) but there is no matching ModeLine. So the X server is doing its
>> best to give you the resolution you asked for but the monitor timing is
>> all off which is giving you the display aberrations.
>>
>> Simple solution:
>> 1. Google "X modeline calculator" (there are tons!)
>> 2. Feed in the monitor scan ranges etc as required.
>> 3. Cut-and-paste the generated modeline into the appropriate "Screen"
>> section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>> 4. Restart X.
>>
>> Hope that helps :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:48:01 -0600
>> From: Karl Larsen <k5di at zianet.com>
>> Subject: Re: Why so big?
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <4830C031.1010209 at zianet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Mike Bird wrote:
>> > On Sun May 18 2008 15:18:11 Karl Larsen wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mike Bird wrote:
>> >> Mike your not thinking right. /boot is a DIRECTORY off of /. When
>> >> I
>> >> tried to umount it did the expected:
>> >>
>> >> karl at karl-desktop:/$ sudo umount /boot
>> >> [sudo] password for karl:
>> >> umount: /boot: not mounted
>> >> karl at karl-desktop:/$ sudo umount boot
>> >> umount: boot: not mounted
>> >> karl at karl-desktop:/$
>> >>
>> >> It is not smart enough to say it's a directory but that is the
>> >> problem. So I think your search for 4 Gb of free space is just not
>> >> going
>> >> to work.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Karl,
>> >
>> > I did not suggest that you use the procedure on your /boot. I
>> > suggested
>> > that you use the procedure "for each of your mounts that is (a) a real
>> > file system and (b) not the root file system." I illustrated with
>> > my /boot, which is a mount point on most of my systems.
>> >
>> > You have a rather unusual selection of mount points. I suggest you try
>> > /f7home first, then /home, then /var/lock, then /var/run. They are
>> > listed roughly in increasing likelihood that you'll need to take action
>> > such as shutting down your desktop or rebooting in recovery mode.
>> >
>> > --Mike Bird
>> >
>> >
>> Well it was impossible to do anything with the computer running so I
>> dropped out and got the CD working. There I found a thing I called
>> /home/oldkarl and it was large so I deleted it. All else looked fine and
>> just did a df and it is good now. Here it is:
>>
>> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
>> /dev/hda8 9187068 2894196 5826188 34% /
>>
>>
>> So my partition is too big now :-)
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
>> Linux User
>> #450462 http://counter.li.org.
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:52:20 -0700
>> From: Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net>
>> Subject: Re: FS error / please assist
>> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Message-ID: <200805181652.20492.mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> On Sun May 18 2008 16:17:41 SYNass IT Ubuntu / Linux wrote:
>> > Any helpful hints and suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Make backups. More than one. I use three for everything
>> important.
>>
>> Test backups. In the old days of tape drives roughly
>> 50% of backups were unusable. These days things are
>> better but still not 100%.
>>
>> Keep backups in different buildings, or at minimum on
>> different devices.
>>
>> --Mike Bird
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:56:38 -0300
>> From: "Cassius V. de Magalhaes" <cviniciusm at uol.com.br>
>> Subject: Unable to send/receive e-mail between my e-mail server
>> Postfix/Dovecot and a client.
>> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Message-ID: <4830C236.6080305 at uol.com.br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was able to install and configure an e-mail server using Postfix and
>> Dovecot (SMTP, POP3 and IMAP) but it works only locally on the machine
>> where it was installed. I'm unable to send/receive messages between the
>> server and a client (on another machine).
>>
>> My references are:
>> 1) The Book of Postfix, ISBN 1-59327-001-1, edit. No Starch Press;
>> 2) Postfix: The Definitive Guide, ISBN 0-596-00212-2, edit. O'Reilly;
>> 3) Ubuntu Server Guide, URL:
>> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/postfix.html ;
>> 4) Howto: ISP-style Email Server with Debian-Etch and Postfix 2.3,
>> URL: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
>>
>> The e-mail server and the client are running on Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS
>> and Ubuntu Desktop 8.04, respectively.
>>
>> Any ideas, please?
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>> Cassius.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:01:22 -0400
>> From: "Rafael Barreto" <rafaelbarreto at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Virtual machine
>> To: <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <6472C54557F440E98A17EFE02CAD2378 at delltower>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>> Hi, can anybody explain how I can install the virtual machine in Ubuntu?
>> I can't find it anywhere...
>> Thanks
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>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:07:40 -0400
>> From: steve <sfreilly at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: Virtual machine
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>> Rafael Barreto wrote:
>> | Hi, can anybody explain how I can install the virtual machine in
>> Ubuntu?
>> | I can't find it anywhere...
>> | Thanks
>> | Rafael.
>> |
>>
>> ~ sudo apt-get install virtualbox
>>
>> is this what your looking for?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - --
>> Steve Reilly
>>
>> http://reillyblog.com
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:26:31 -0700
>> From: Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Mono politics [was: Re: Compile Mono]
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <4830C937.6020709 at dmiyu.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote:
>> > You're free to forego your freedom if you want.
>>
>> Forgo what freedom? See, people like you seem to forget that freedom
>> means being able to something which seems contrary to one's interests.
>> The
>> full statement is freedom of choice. It isn't the outcome that matters,
>> it is
>> the choice. Having only "positive" outcomes as prescribed by others is
>> no
>> /choice/ and thus no freedom.
>>
>> --
>> Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
>> PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do...
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:30:36 -0400
> From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com>
> Subject: Re: New install. Installer hangs cold at initramfs prompt.
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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>
> Nat Gross wrote:
>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:52 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr."
>> <microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nat Gross wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi;
>>>> Installing 8.0.4 on new 64 bit HP AMD Phenom9600 system, and a few
>>>> moments after indicating "English", the system hangs cold with mouse
>>>> and keyboard also locked.
>>>> This happens at the initramfs prompt.
>>>> Am installing 64 bit on the system which has Vista SP1 installed on
>>>> half of 1 drive.
>>>> The system has 2 465 gig drives attached to an HP Nvidia RAID
>>>> controller but NOT configured as raid, just 2 drives.
>>>> It also has a GeForce 8400 video, along with 6 gig of ram.
>>>>
>>>> Please advise.
>>>> nat
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Those aren't Seagate hard disks by any chance, are they?
>>>
>> Uh oh. I smell trouble.
>> Seagate ST350063 500GB (465 gig in reality.) two of em.
>> What's the scoop
>
> Turns out that Seagate's taking a less-than-Linux-friendly stance of
> late. One series of their hard disks (as I recall, it was a 500MB
> drive) specifically did not play well with Linux...bit it played quite
> nicely with MS Windows. Furthermore, their tech support people were
> telling everyone that "our latest drives don't support Linux."
>
> Worse, now their USB external drives come pre-formatted with NTFS! Talk
> about Windows-only....
>
> I stopped using Seagate drives then and there for that reason.
>
> Can you try it with another brand of disk drive, just temporarily, to
> see if things work?
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:48:26 -0400
> From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Mono politics [was: Re: Compile Mono]
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> You're free to forego your freedom if you want.
>>>
>>
>> Forgo what freedom? See, people like you seem to forget that freedom
>> means being able to something which seems contrary to one's interests.
>> The
>> full statement is freedom of choice. It isn't the outcome that matters,
>> it is
>> the choice. Having only "positive" outcomes as prescribed by others is
>> no
>> /choice/ and thus no freedom.
>>
>
> I noticed that you deleted the rest of the line, after the word "want."
> I actually agreed with you...but maybe you just don't like the full
> implications? :-)
>
> As I said, you are free to let yourself get run over by a car or jump
> off of a very high bridge if you wish. I never denied that; it is
> indeed your right to do so. But when you die from doing that, don't
> complain. :-)
>
> Likewise, if/when Microsoft pulls out the patent or copyright nuke
> against anything with Mono dependencies, and your favorite piece of
> software goes bye-bye in the process, don't complain. If you've
> committed your company to something with Mono dependencies, your company
> gets threatened or sued, and you end up in the unemployment line, don't
> complain.
>
> The problem isn't making the choices. The problem is that folks like
> you tend to whine when you have to face the inevitable fallout of that
> choice. Then you cry, "Waah! Waah! Bail me out, someone, it's not my
> fault!" Umm...yes, it is. You had the freedom to make the choice...and
> you made it. Now sleep in the bed you made for yourself.
>
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