cjk at teamcharliesangels.com
Tue Jul 29 18:17:54 UTC 2008
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:53:04 -0600
Karl Larsen <k5di at zianet.com> wrote:
> Robert Spanjaard wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:42:24 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> >>> I can't quite make out if you're asking me to give you statistics on
> >>> where you were wrong or not.. But if it'd make you happy send me an
> >>> e-mail off-list and I'll do it for you. Not sure it's going to make
> >>> your life any better for it.
> >>> Here's one to get you started with regards to an acceptable sample
> >>> size. This will at least tell you if your 100 messages is sufficient.
> > [...]
> >>> http://stattrek.com/Lesson6/SampleSize.aspx?Tutorial=Stat
> >> Your building a case for errors to occur due to the sample size and
> >> the source of the data. I have never said it was perfect. Yes there are
> >> all the problems you point out.
> >> But are you saying that in the general Ubuntu population use of
> >> Evolution is greater than the use of Thunderbird? That makes the users
> >> of this list weird. And it is not supported by any statistics I have
> >> seen.
> > Then open your eyes!
> > #<name> is the package name;
> > #<inst> is the number of people who installed this package;
> > #<vote> is the number of people who use this package regularly;
> > #<old> is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package
> > # regularly;
> > #<recent> is the number of people who upgraded this package recently;
> > #rank name inst vote old recent
> > 443 evolution 509363 80793 404082 24432
> > 587 thunderbird 141871 45359 91515 4937
> > Here is the problem: Your data says 509363 people Installed evolution. This is not accurate. The number comes because every Ubuntu loaded has evolution.
> Now 141817 it seems loaded Thunderbird. They had to apt-get the
> software. But only 45,359 people are using it. Old is just a subtraction.
> For some reason the data shows 80,793 people are now using
> evolution. This is a great difference with both my 100 email samples of
> this list.
> Now my question remains, how were these numbers computed. In
> particular how was the number of d/l Thunderbird NOT USED counted?
> >> The other method that gets this result seems to use how often the
> >> software is downloaded. This gives Evolution a big edge because it is
> >> not downloaded and the number of users are those who didn't download
> >> Thunderbird. This has real error built in.
> > The popularity contest measures _usage_ too. For the third time, check
> > the _vote_ column.
> > And speaking of downloads: note that 72% of Ubuntu's users do _not_
> > download Thunderbird at all, let alone use it regularly.
> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> Linux User
> #450462 http://counter.li.org.
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There seems to be over 400,000 not using Evolution, too. Did you
notice that? It tells me that not all who load the program use it, but
they don't all remove it either. I have it loaded on two systems, but I
don't use it and I see no reason to remove it.
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