Same installation problem over and over again.

[Karl Larsen]

elmo wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
>   
>> elmo wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> A personal pet peeve.
>>>
>>> It seems that we're seeing the same thing over and over....someone has 
>>> downloaded the ISO and then burned (copied) it to a disk and the disk 
>>> doesn't work.
>>>
>>> What some instructions imply is that the ISO is the IMAGE and all you 
>>> have to do is copy the ISO to a disk and you'll have an IMAGE disk when 
>>> in fact what you have is a copy of a compressed version of the IMAGE in 
>>> a single file
>>>
>>> I speak from experience because I had the same problem when I started 
>>> working with ISO. I used a Nero CD burner to copy the ISO to a disk 
>>> because in several website instructions it said "copy the ISO to a CD" 
>>> and the result would be an IMAGE CD.
>>>
>>> It was only when I discovered by experimentation that the ISO is a 
>>> single file and by running it thru an extraction, you'd see several 
>>> files.  I then investigated my Nero and discovered a burner program that 
>>> is specific for creating IMAGE disks. What it does is simultaneously 
>>> extract and burn so the result is an IMAGE CD that has several files.  
>>> Which leads to a question.....if you first perform an extraction on the 
>>> ISO and then copy the resulting files to a disk, would that be an IMAGE 
>>> disk?
>>>
>>> Later, when I had a working UBUNTU, I discovered that it had the 
>>> burners, K3B and Brasero that had the ability to create an IMAGE disk.
>>>
>>> Instructions for creating an IMAGE CD should include a brief explanation 
>>> of the difference between an ISO and IMAGE and that a simple copy is not 
>>> the way to go.
>>>
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> Elmo
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>     Your making too much of the problem. I think there is a web page 
>> that the Ubuntu web page directs you to so you know what to do. Everyone 
>> has their own way to explain what happens.
>>
>>     My view is today a CD-Rom blank costs about 10 cents. I tell the new 
>> person that you do not want to copy the iso to that CD-Rom. You want to 
>> install the iso file.
>>
>>     If it works you will see several files on the CD-Rom. If you have 
>> just one file ending in .iso you failed and throw away that CD-Rom and 
>> try again.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> I think we're having a semantics problem here. I disagree with your
> statement " You want to install the ISO file". You'll have to throw
> away a lot of disks.
>
> I think it is more correct to say "You want to install the IMAGE file"
> There's a vast difference between ISO and IMAGE. If they were the same,
> why do we
> bother with creating an IMAGE?
>
> In fact, if you read the wording of the name of any proper installing
> process, the goal is to
> burn IMAGE to disk.
>
>   
    Wrong, the goal is to get a working LiveCD. Since we have people on 
this list who have other languages it gets tricky to explain how to do it.

    What you have often is a file ending in .iso, a Windows computer, 
and a person who speaks a language between the age of about 8 and 90. 
They should have an idea how to put the file on a CD. If not they should 
buy the CD from the Ubuntu Web Page.

Karl


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