Rutebook and a lot more

[Doug Pollard]

Verde Denim wrote:
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> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Doug Pollard <dougpol1 at verizon.net 
> <mailto:dougpol1 at verizon.net>> wrote:
> Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> > 2008/8/27 Young <tuxman at knology.net <mailto:tuxman at knology.net> 
> <mailto:tuxman at knology.net <mailto:tuxman at knology.net>>>
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> >     So where is it?
> >
> >     See below.
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> >     BEGIN RANT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     SUGGESTION:gh "bang for the
> >     buck" ratio. Very easy to create, and very useful.
> >
> >     To Make a Link, or not to Make a Link:
> >
> >     convoluted logic of the story about permissions. It's an attitude
> >     problem.
> >
> >     I
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> >     END RANT
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> >
> >     /usr/share/doc/rutebook/ is where Synaptic properties told me was.
> >
> >     The HTML front page is:
> >     /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.html
> >     when double clicked it opened in my browser as:
> >     file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/rute.html
> >     which you can then bookmark.
> >
> >     The PDF version is in
> >     /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.pdf.gz
> >     It would be really nice if you could make a link to this, but you
> >     can't.
> >     And you can't extract it either. So, copy it to your chosen place,
> >     then
> >     extract it if you want, and put it where you want to now, and even
> >     Make
> >     a Link if you want.
> >
> >
> >
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>    My thinking is if the already angry convert from Windows is told,
> and he is, that if he does normal desktop stuff he will not have to go
> into the terminal at all.  The most important document on the computer
> to the newby is Rutebook or some other helpful tutorial  presents a
> catch 22 for him. and that is "use commands in terminal" to get to
> rutebook so you can "learn how to use commands in the terminal."
> DAH!!................   If he needs to study before hand he should be
> told that.  Microsoft is the one that needs to hide things not us.
> People are being told this and it is just not true. Sooner or later and
> it's likely sooner, some package will load through synaptic with a
> problem in it and The guy is going to have to use the terminal.  That's
> a fact.
>   Linux is better off not to have people come to it that have to go
> back to windows because they tell everyone they know, that "Linux is a
> disaster". No matter what we think it is a disaster for that person and
> they don't keep it to themselves.  A newby can spend one heck of a lot
> of time trying online tutorials and help documents just trying to find
> something to learn the terminal from.  Remember he hasn't learned
> anything yet. If he gets on this list and someone frustrated with his
> dumb question and inability to put in even simple commands, implies that
> he is lazy  for not reading he is angry because his feelings are hurt.
> He has been attacked !! He should be able to click applications Rutebook
> and that followed by all the other categories of applications.  If the
> writer will allow it just the sections on terminal would be good for
> starters.   The desktop does not require a lot of reading
>  it is pretty
> self evident for most ex window users.
>
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>                 Doug
>
> I'll leave Doug's commentary in for general reading. But to answer the
> OPs question about where is it? How do I get it?
> Open Firefox (you'll find that one on the menu)
> in the URL bar, type (yes, you'll have to type this one in)...
> file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html
>
> If you bookmark the link on the toolbar in FF, you'll have it
> accessible to you whenever you'd like to refer to it.
>
> I understand your frustration, but don't vent on the community - we're
> here to help each other, not puke in each others beer.
>
> Jack
>
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>
    Jack I'm sorry you misunderstood or I did not explain myself better. 
I wasn't venting I was trying to convince everyone that  Linux, Ubuntu 
and  others  need to make Rutebook extremely easy to access for the 
newby. I have Rutebook setting right on my desktop where I can pop it 
open whenever I need it.  I'm all fixed up, though I sure I will need 
help now and then. Hopefully I will be knowledgeable enough to use that 
help now. I am making this argument not against Linux or toward those 
that are helping us all with their know how.  I am trying to help Linux 
with what I see as a problem. I advocate the use of Linux where ever I 
can because I believe it is a far superior program to windows and i 
believe that Microsoft is taking advantage of their position to over 
charge it's customers. I am not against paying for the things I need, 
but don't want my pockets filched.
     It bothers me a little that criticism is quickly taken as a bad 
thing.  On line lists seem to me the place discuss these things. Who 
else to talk to about this kind of thing other than Linux users. If we 
really are a community than discussion should take place and it should 
not be discouraged.
       Thoughts like these  need to be read by users and programmers 
alike, that's how momentum grows for an idea, or is rejected.  Are Linux 
users  weak minded that they shouldn't hear criticism?  I'll bet you one 
thing when the writers of these programs get together there is plenty of 
even heated argument before decisions are made. To me it seems  we are 
the strong minded ones or we would just go along with everyone else and 
be happy to  except what ever Microsoft dishes out. I surely ho this is 
not taken as destructive criticism because it is not intended as such. 
                                                                         
                                                                        
                Doug