ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 245

[David Clark]

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:10:10 +0200
From: Nigel Henry <cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr>
Subject: Re: Manners
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <200808152110.10042.cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr>
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On Friday 15 August 2008 18:51, Ulin the Tech Mage wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 18:38 +0200, Leo Cacciari wrote:
> > Il giorno ven, 15/08/2008 alle 11.27 -0500, Ulin the Tech Mage ha
> >
> > scritto:
> > > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 12:18 -0400, Doug Pollard wrote:
> > > > Ulin the Tech Mage wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 12:42 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > > > >> NoOp wrote:
> > > > >>> On 08/14/2008 05:38 PM, andrea phillips wrote:
> > > > >>>> I feel if you ask for help and someone is able to help thats
> > > > >>>> good but you dont have to call people stupid you didnt know all
> > > > >>>> you know when you got ubuntu so i think we should be a little
> > > > >>>> nicer to everyone as well as ourselfs your bad day is yours and
> > > > >>>> if you dont want anyone to email you unscribe thanks.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 

>>>>>>>EDITED FOR CONTENT<<<<<<<<<<<
> > >
> > > it was not you. it was a dude named leo.  I have read most of his
> > > comments and they all show an over inflated ego.
> >
> > I would like you to stop calling me names, even when it is totally
> > uncalled for. The mail you answered did not refer to your post, but to
> > the OP one. I'm really trying to be calm, but I ask you again to avoid
> > calling me names. By the way, I never ever told you you can address me
> > by my first name, that's for friends.
> >
> > --
> > Leo Cacciari
>
> when did i call you anything other than your first name. it you read the
> whole message you would see that we are talking about matters like this.
> I do not want to argue. i am just pointing out that if we want users to
> switch away from M$ then we have to mind our manners. besides man a
> harsh words never is helpfull whatsoever.  there is never a need to
> flame anyone. if you don't wish to respond, then don't. but don't
> respond to a honest question with an over inflated ego and expect people
> to like you.  quit burning bridges man.  trust me no one is as good as
> they think they are.

I think it's the word "dude" that Mr Leo Cacciari is referring to.

And to Mr Cacciari.

Mailing lists are a lot different than speaking face to face with a stranger

for example. You may ask someones name, and they may reply John Smith, but 
you would address them as Mr Smith, unless they told you to do otherwise.

On mailing lists I've always used the first names of those that I am
replying 
to, and have never had any complaints.

Another example.

I'm on the Debian French mailing list, and in France, and other countries in

europe, there are familiar, and unfamiliar ways of using the English word 
"you". The word "vous"  (you) is used when speaking to strangers. The word 
"tu" is used when speaking with close friends, family members, and animals.

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As an American, I think we can be the nicest assholes in the world, when it
suits our purpose.

So many others seem to agree. Anyway, this is a list and its purpose to help
each other and learn. I have 18 years experience in windows and I can hold
my own. I'm new in the Linux work and I need a lot of help. However, I've
had 55 years to perfect a perfectly offensive ego. The discretion necessary
to contain it has taken a lifetime and I do it poorly at times.

God, I'm glad my mother didn't name me Leo.