privacy on Freenode IRC
bsilver at chrononomicon.com
Tue May 29 12:06:10 UTC 2007
Patrick Frank wrote:
>> My suggestion is not to use IRC for anything, at all, ever
> It is not surprising to me, that a first reaction goes in the direction of
> something like "If you dont like it, dont use it". People use such lines
> if they dont want to deal with the facts of a person.
> I cant force anybody to take privacy related topics serious.
> Imagine a similar (fictive) example:
> To be able to use the LaunchPad website you have to register an
> account and give your phone number so your account can be enabled
> after a callback.
> Then you run into a conflict with a person. And the admin of the
> LaunchPad website reveals your phone number to exactly that person
> that you had a conflict with.
> You see? If you like Internet Relay Chat or not, the fictive example
> is about a similar situation with the same result:
> Private and sensible data is revealed.
The primary difference is the medium's immediacy of reaction. In IRC
it's easier to pester and cajole and react than reflect on the
situation, as would normally be the case with email or bulletin boards.
IM and IRC are for the people who absolutely can't wait for an answer
and MUST get it RIGHT AWAY or the whole world stops turning. It's also
a lot easier to get PO'd and start flaming rather than sit back and grab
a snack and then have a reply that doesn't make you sound like an a$$hat.
Not that this *cures* your problem, but it can help.
The only way to "solve" your problem is to work with an organized system
that holds people accountable for their professionalism. I very much
doubt you're going to find that in a free-for-all meritocracy-based
group that develops for a distro of Linux, unless you want to start your
own up and play babysitter to the developers.
I mean, what response did you want, really? That rules would be passed
about not divulging information? Good luck. Let anything loose on the
Internet and see if you can fend off people who get some bug up their
shorts. The only way to even *try* to hide the info is to give a false
profile or give contact info that is secondary to the one you're, for
some reason or another, trying desperately to hide or info on someone
who doesn't mind acting as a go-between for your messages.
Otherwise the people you handed your information to for the IRC group
are people you don't know. How did you come to trust them? Why?
So the snarky "I'm not surprised" comment...really...what did you
expect, that Ubuntu devs would suddenly create and always enforce a
information like your phone number? The best answer really is, if you
don't like the repercussions, even possible repercussions, you can't use
it. It's a tradeoff. All these years of problems we have had with ID
thieves and privacy being being eroded and we still have users that
reply to spam and aren't willing to use encryption.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, but frankly I don't see any way that your
concerns would be addressed in this type of forum. Or any forum that
isn't policed by an organized company where the communications are policed.
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