ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 32, Issue 141

Tue Apr 17 20:33:57 UTC 2007

I'm sue I've seen a warning message at the updatea's completion stating such a need.  Besides that, if the upgrade includes a kernel upgrade, I immediately try areboot.
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: how do i know i need a reboot after a console based
      "upgrade"? (Mario Vukelic)
   2. Re:   how do i know i need a reboot after a console based
      "upgrade"? (Mario Vukelic)
   3. Re: Problems playing Flash Video .flv files on Edgy Eft
      (Mario Vukelic)
   4. Re: Dapper to Feisty (Mario Vukelic)
   5. Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
      (Stratos Laspas)
   6. Re: nVidia Quadro4 (Jakob Lenfers)
   7. Re: Podcasts (Bart Silverstrim)
   8. Re: Dapper to Feisty (NoOp)
   9. Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
      (Mario Vukelic)
  10. Re: Dapper to Feisty (Mario Vukelic)
  11. Re: Problems playing Flash Video .flv files on Edgy Eft
      (Rich Lott)
  12. Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
      (Sean Sieger)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:27:12 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re: how do i know i need a reboot after a console based
	"upgrade"?
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general discussions"
	<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 12:36 +0900, Tomoki Taniguchi wrote:
> on a server system,  if i do a "sudo apt-get upgrade" or "sudo
> aptitude upgrade"
> is there anyway to know i need a reboot? 

If you subscribe to the security-announce mailing list (which you should
do anyway if you run a server of even small importance), then the
announcements will tell you what to do to effect the upgrade (reboot,
restart service, etc)

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:29:12 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re:   how do i know i need a reboot after a console based
	"upgrade"?
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general discussions"
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 15:33 +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote:
> if you do 'upgrade' then you shouldn't need to restart for the 
> changes to take effect. If you do a 'dist-upgrade' then generally you 
> will need to restart for the changes to take effect. 

No, the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is just that upgrade
will never uninstall packages to resolve dependencies, while
dist-upgrade will. See "man apt-get" or "man aptitude"

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:32:54 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re: Problems playing Flash Video .flv files on Edgy Eft
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 13:43 +0100, Rich Lott wrote:
> What am I missing?

Flash 9. You can install it when you have the edgy backports repository
enabled (see your software sources). The package name is
flashplugin-nonfree

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:35:51 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re: Dapper to Feisty
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:23 +0530, H.S.Rai wrote:
> So, I upgraded to Edgy,
> by updating first, and then replacing dapper with edgy in source.list,
> then doing apt-get update, upgrade. 

You should follow the upgrade information (note: apt-get/aptitude is
*not* recommended)
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades

If you want to use it nevertheless, do it correctly: use apt-get
dist-upgrade, not upgrade. upgrade *will* break your system. More info
on how to use these commands is also at the above links

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:17 +0300
From: Stratos Laspas <stratos at laspas.gr>
Subject: Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general discussions"
	<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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???? 17/04/2007 08:24 ??, O/H Mario Vukelic ??????:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 13:24 +0100, R Kimber wrote:
>> Are you implying that known problems should not be be flagged if they
>> are likely to affect fewer than X users? 
> 
> I don't know what he is implying, but this is definitely the case.
> Otherwise you would have to have all x-thousand open bug reports listed
> on the website. Or you could say, all known problems *are* flagged, in
> Launchpad.

Dear God, I did not mean the "advisory" parts literary (!!!), and I
don't even expect to see the mentioned mdadm bug in the final release!
(thank you devs)

I was making a point.

> 
> 
>> And what is X?
> 
> Tough question, I don't know :)
> 
> 
You can't put a number there, there will always be bugs, someone will
always be disappointed. The point is, make up your mind as to what
target group you're aiming at and try not to have any critical bugs in
that respect.

> 

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:54:41 +0200
From: Jakob Lenfers <ubuntu.mailinglisten at jl42.de>
Subject: Re: nVidia Quadro4
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Dave Woyciesjes schrieb:
> 	I've got a CentOS4.4 box (for work reasons, I'll be adding Ubuntu which 
> I like better :) with a nVidia card that CentOS detects as Quadro4 
> 200/400 NVS NV17GL. Anybody have any luck getting both monitor 
> connectors on the pigtail to work together?

I've had it running with the nvidia-driver and the following lines in
the device-section of the card in xorg-conf:

Option     "TwinView"          "true"
Option     "MetaModes"         "1280x1024,1280x1024"

That was my old pc at work, they've changed it into a newer one with a
ATI card, but that nvidia configuration went so smooth, that I bought
only nvidia-cards for my home boxes. :-)

Jakob

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:09:56 -0400
From: Bart Silverstrim <bsilver at chrononomicon.com>
Subject: Re: Podcasts
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general discussions"
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On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Ed Smits wrote:

> I've tried out most of the various iPod software out there, have
> settled on Amarok as best able to manage podcasts. They get listed in
> the Playlists section, easy to add to them, manage them, transfer them
> to your iPod. I had hoped to use RythmBox for this as I run Gnome and
> didn't want the KDE overhead needed for Amarok, but podcast management
> wasn't nearly as good and I ended up with about 1 GB of orphaned files
> on my nano as a result of deleting podcasts using RythmBox. Luckily
> Amarok has some good iPod tools for cleanup built in.
>
> If anyone else has a better Gnome based app I'd like to hear about it.

I don't know if it's Gnome-based, but has anyone tried a newer  
version of Yamipod?

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:14:32 -0700
From: NoOp <glgxg at mfire.com>
Subject: Re: Dapper to Feisty
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On 04/17/2007 10:35 AM, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:23 +0530, H.S.Rai wrote:
>> So, I upgraded to Edgy,
>> by updating first, and then replacing dapper with edgy in source.list,
>> then doing apt-get update, upgrade. 
> 
> You should follow the upgrade information (note: apt-get/aptitude is
> *not* recommended)
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades

and

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion

is helpful.

> 
> If you want to use it nevertheless, do it correctly: use apt-get
> dist-upgrade, not upgrade. upgrade *will* break your system. More info
> on how to use these commands is also at the above links
> 
> 

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:21:52 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general discussions"
	<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 20:51 +0300, Stratos Laspas wrote:
> 
> I was making a point. 

And I did not comment on the validity of your point [1]. I was
commenting on the post I replied to.

[1] Which, IMHO, had merit insofar as a grave RAID bug should not be in
the final release; however, IMHO, you went over board, since the
relevant info that these bugs *would* be fixed was available. BTW, you
might want to read this:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000280.html )

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:22:33 +0200
From: Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org>
Subject: Re: Dapper to Feisty
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 11:14 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion

Thanks, I didn't know about this

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:24:04 +0100
From: Rich Lott <rl5 at shinyblue.net>
Subject: Re: Problems playing Flash Video .flv files on Edgy Eft
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On Tuesday 17 April 2007 18:32:54 Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 13:43 +0100, Rich Lott wrote:
> > What am I missing?
>
> Flash 9. You can install it when you have the edgy backports repository
> enabled (see your software sources). The package name is
> flashplugin-nonfree

I think that's enabled here:

deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted 
universe multiverse

$ apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree 
downloads it and installs it ok.

**BUT**, flash was already installed and working (eg. in Swiftfox).

mplayer and others still say the same thing:

[flv @ 0x874c3c8]Unsupported video codec (4)

and later

==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
==========================================================================
alsa-init: using device default
alsa: 48000 Hz/1 channels/2 bpf/32768 bytes buffer/Signed 16 bit Little Endian
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
Starting playback...
[mpeg4 @ 0x87dc78c]header damaged
Error while decoding frame!
Marker bit missing before time_increment   1/  1 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0
[mpeg4 @ 0x87dc78c]hmm, seems the headers are not complete, trying to guess 
time_increment_bits
[mpeg4 @ 0x87dc78c]my guess is 1 bits ;)
[mpeg4 @ 0x87dc78c]header damaged  0.004   2/  2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0
Error while decoding frame!
[mpeg4 @ 0x87dc78c]header damaged  0.000   3/  3 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0

Any more ideas? Much appreciated!

rich

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:41:25 -0400
From: Sean Sieger <sean.sieger at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: countdown to feisty release (with pending show-stoppers)
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org> writes:

   > And what is X?

   Tough question, I don't know :)

Thank you for the giggle, I've been looking forward to it.

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