I encoded my .ogg files years ago. file outputs this: Ogg data, Vorbis audio, stereo, 44100 Hz, ~0 bps, created by: Xiphophorus libVorbis I (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) 'These files do NOT play in xine or amarok' (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1315871#post1315871). But they do play in xmms, windows etc. -- v-gudmk