Ubuntu is not free.

[Norton Roman]

Right, but we may end up in a circle, whereby we need a lot more people to
make some pressure, and we can gather more people only if we allow non-free
stuff to be shipped with ubuntu...

that's not a simple matter of "I don't want it and you should make it as I
wich".

By the way, there is no way of providing reliable figures about any of the
questions above... you cannot tell people would abandon ubuntu for sure, but
you cannot tell they wouldn't move back to windows either. intuition says
they would move back... and that's something that even micro$oft takes very
seriously (I think that's the main reason why they did not build a brand new
OS from scratch).

N

2006/7/13, Alan McKinnon <alan at linuxholdings.co.za>:
>
> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 08:21 -0500, Steve Kratz wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I understand perfectly, and so I'll try to make it more clear :
> > > Let me remind what's the definition of free software, at
> > > least for the persons who believe that it's a matter of price
> > > : free as in freedom, and not free as something you don't
> > > have to pay for.
> > >
> >
> >
> > But... If you strip out the things that make Ubuntu nice for "anyone" to
> > use, you end up with a plain old kernel, where someone installs the
> > disk, has 800x600 VESA graphics, no sound card support, no wireless at
> > all, a web browser that can't access half of the web sites out there
> > because of flash/java, and the user then says "This sucks" and
> > re-installs Windows.
>
> Please stop repeating this age-old meme. I hear it constantly and the
> people repeating it never provide figures and facts to back up their
> assertion, so it's as good as an old wives tale.
>
> By repeatedly asserting it, you give life to it and then it becomes
> real, and then people really might go back to Windows. It's also a
> defeatist point of view.
>
> Once again: there is nothing wrong with having decent hardware and
> software support for Linux, we do not have to accept a world where we
> can't have these things. But to have them we do not need to violate the
> principles that made Linux what it is today and turn it into yet another
> proprietary infested OS. All we have to do is tell the owners of
> proprietary stuff to free it up and GET THEM TO DO IT.
>
> alan
>
>
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