Well, Windows is back on the disk.

[Sasha Tsykin]

James Diehl wrote:

>The world market does a lot of strange things! 
>Remember that a big part of it is made up of companies
>and people just like the ones at Microsoft.  Enron and
>other companies have proven that there is very little
>ethics associated with them.  As long as there are
>OS's like Windows, there will be people who think the
>Sun rises and Sets because of MS, and that Mr. Gates
>is God!
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Are we arguing here about the ethics of Microsoft's conduct or the 
quality of windows as an Operating System, because they are quite separate.

Sasha

>--- Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Richard Colbert Jr wrote:
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>>>"Do you believe that a free market, world wide,
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>>would permit MS or any other
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>>>company to enjoy a multi-billion USD monthly sales
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>>volume without it
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>>>providing products that people desire to have?"
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>>>So your saying that Microsoft makes billions
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>>monthly because people DESIRE
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>>>THEIR CRAP! I don't think so! Everybody I know will
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>>tell you they ONLY USE
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>>>MICROSOFT'S CRAP because:
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>>>a.) They don't want to learn something else (like
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>>Linux)
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>>>b.) Because they have to use it at work
>>>c.) Because people/businesses they deal with use it
>>>d.) or because they are too stupid know they have a
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>>choice
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>>you don't know many people then.
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>>>I would be hard pressed to find anyone I know that
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>>USES IT BECAUSE THEY LIKE
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>>>IT.
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>>I wouldn't.
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>>>As far me, I still use Microsoft products, not by
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>>choice, but rather because
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>>>I am too fracking lazy to teach myself the
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>>intricacies of Linux. However,
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>>>thanks to Ubuntu that is changing. I am steadily
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>>tweaking my iMac (running
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>>>Breezy Badger) and as soon as I get all the
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>>software, games and tools I need
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>>>running on it, I will switch to it FULL TIME while
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>>I get my main computer
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>>>(the one I am typing on now) ridden of Microsoft.
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>>>I am tired of the MS BS like them knowing there are
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>>SERIOUS FLAWS and they
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>>>DO NOTHING TO PATCH THEM until it HITS THE MEDIA.
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>>WTF! Can you imagine how
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>>>SCREWED HUMANITY would be if all businesses
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>>operated like that?
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>>a) not very
>>b) RedHat, Suse, and Ximian commisioned a study
>>which found that 
>>Microsoft updates are not less frequent than linux
>>ones. (Probably not 
>>the conclusion they were looking for) Microsoft
>>release many patches for 
>>even more bugs. Only a handful ever hit the media.
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>>>What if the US Postal Service discovered the glue
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>>in their stamps was
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>>>poisoning people, but they didn't do anything about
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>>it until it hit the news
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>>>that 10,000 people had died from exposure to
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>>contaminated stamps. You think
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>>>that bird would fly? Hell no! But MS gets away with
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>>JUST THAT THINKING EVERY
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>>>DANG DAY!
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>>quit ranting, it's becoming boring. Either learn
>>your facts or be quiet.
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>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>>Richard Colbert
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>>>"Recent Ubuntu Convert"
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>>>YIM: cmptrgeeknshermantx
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>>>ICQ: 14466429
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>>>MSN: pcheaven2k at hotmail.com
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On
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>>Behalf Of Lonn
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>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:36 PM
>>>To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Well, Windows is back on the disk.
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>>>I am very pleased with Ubuntu. It offers software
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>>and functionality that is
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>>>not otherwise available or available only at
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>>significant cost.
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>>>The concept of "complaint" can be interpreted as
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>>inquiry, request for new
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>>>features, bug reports, or even dissatisfaction with
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>>the language of an
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>>>instruction. Very experienced people interpret such
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>>input and adjust the
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>>>product when an adjustment best serves the majority
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>>of users without
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>>>creating special "differences" throughout the OS of
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>>throughout thousands of
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>>>programs that run on MS, Linux, or any other
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>>commercial operating system.
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>>>Is WIN better than Ubuntu or vice-versa?  They are
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>>as different as apples
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>>>and oranges -- even thought both have GUI user
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>>interfaces. Both will be
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>>>around for a long time and both will get better --
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>>more powerful -- easier
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>>>to install -- easier to use.
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>>>Windows has never been free -- on a new machine or
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>>by any other means. The
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>>>cost is paid by hardware manufacturer and passed
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>>along to buyers in an
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>>>apparently transparent manner. Some persons turn on
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>>their computer and
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>>>object to the MS EULA and apply for a refund of the
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>>cost of the OS in their
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>>>deal and they usually get a refund - laws provide
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>>for such an option if the
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>>>user did not forfeit it in their sale/purchase
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>>agreement.
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>>>In response to another issue -- the claim that MS
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>>only supports XP is
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>>>absolutely incorrect. All of the WINDOWS operating
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>>systems and office
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>>>products are upgradeable to the latest security
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>>fixes and bug fixes (but you
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>>>cannot move to later OS or to higher priced
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>>alternatives from say WIN98,
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>>>98SE, or WIN_ME to such as XP, WINDOWS 2000, or WIN
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>>XP Professional without
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>>>purchasing them).
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>>>It was said in an earlier post of this thread that
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>>a reinstall of MS to cure
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>>>OS problems overwrites all personal files on the
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>>disk. No so! In fact, a
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>>>reinstall of the OS on a working system ordinarily
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>>will not overwrite OS
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>>>files of a later date than those on the disk that
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>>came with a machine or
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>>>came out of a shrink wrapped software box, if
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>>purchased separately. A
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>>>restore point can be set in MS products, at any
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>>time or at any stage of
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>>>stable operation, but normally it's done after
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>>properly installing new
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>>>software or hardware. If new software causes
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>>problems and cannot be
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>>>'uninstalled' the machine can be rolled back to the
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>>last set restore point
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>>>or to an earlier set restore point -- and walla,
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>>offending software will be
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>>>ignored and it will not struggle with new hardware
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>>if it is removed from the
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>>>system. A sidebar to that -- if you install
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>>software that corrupts your OS
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>>>and you were not warned of such risk in the EULA --
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>>you should sue the
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>>>vendor of that product.
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>>>You can, with a little perseverance, talk to a MS
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>>technician about problems
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>>>with your MS software. There is a continuous stream
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>>of updates coming out of
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>>>MS. If you use any of their products, [t is wise to
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>>know about their update
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>>>system and how to use it.
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>>>I am not trolling for WINDOWS.  If you make an
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>>argument for Ubuntu or any
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>>>other Linux product, it is good to have the facts
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>>right so credibility is
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>>>not lost with WINDOWS users. Most WIN users know
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>>they can update at any time
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>>>they choose and they know they can talk with an MS
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>>tech when appropriate.
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>>>Do you believe that a free market, world wide,
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>>would permit MS or any other
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>>>company to enjoy a multi-billion USD monthly sales
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>>volume without it
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>>>providing products that people desire to have?
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