Server comments

[Jim Bodkikns (Dakotacom)]

   This involves dozens of companies (commercial customers). It is bigger 
than me. I am trying to leverege the abilities of responsible employees of 
the customer.

   BTW, this isnt about admining a webserver. These servers are in hotels 
and they:

Manage workstations (typically a dozen or so at the moment, but have had 
60-70)
Hotel management/reservation software (Currently unify based)
Interface functions (point of sale, call accounting, video rental, 
electronic lock systems etc).
Web based reservation/modification services
Office Suite use by managers (owners mainly)
Messaging (in developement)
etc

It is a different category than the traditional webserver 'server' install. 
I have done many appliance installs and wouldnt want that to go away. 
(FreeBSD mainly).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony David" <adavid at adavid.com.au>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Server comments


> On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 12:38:49PM -0700, Jim Bodkikns Dakotacom" wrote:
>>    The desktop is for graphical admin functions. I am not always 
>> available.
>> It is extremely usefull to be able to have a less able person (albeit
>> responsible person) admin common things. This is just out of the question
>> absent a desktop. WebMin could be used I suppose, but not including a
>> desktop is a false economy and just encourages the use of underpowered 
>> and
>> configured systems as servers.
>>
>>    This is more about a deployed server than my personal server.
>
> Are you saying there is noone else with the training/will to learn to 
> admin the
> servers? There is a danger that you leave and the ubuntu/linux servers 
> leave too.
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julio Biason" <julio.biason at gmail.com>
>> To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Server comments
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/06, Jim Bodkikns (Dakotacom) <JimBodkins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >    My real problem is with the server install. Come on guys. Are you
>> > serious? What you call a server install, stopped being useful ten years
>> > ago.
>> > Contemporary servers require desktops and more. (I am more than capable 
>> > of
>> > admining a server from a command line. But a credible and 'deployed'
>> > server
>> > needs admining by others, not just me)
>>
>> I don't get it. I mean, why a server would ever need a desktop? A
>> server won't be used for anything other than serving a network. You
>> won't write a document on a server, just store it there.
>>
>> But I agree that the name "server" is a little bit misleading: it
>> actually install just the base system. It won't even install apache or
>> any other serve (except for postfix, that also comes with the desktop
>> install), so it isn't a server on the real meaning of the word. Maybe
>> "base"?
>>
>> [PS: Looking at that perspective, your view of a server is just a
>> normal desktop install followed by the installation of the servers you
>> want]
>>
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