ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 94 (untrained staff)????

Alan.Carville at Newmont.com Alan.Carville at Newmont.com
Sun May 8 09:00:38 UTC 2005


 You wrote:

On May 8, 2005, at 3:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:
> you can get untrained staff to put a CD in, reboot, and type one line).

But Ubuntu is so easy to install even the untrained staff can do it :).
  haha.
right everyone?

~Matt

I can't get it to run the "live" disc on my notebook (?)
Any suggestions?
Big Al :-}

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Today's Topics:

   1. (no subject) (Ron Roland)
   2. Re: VNC Installation (Matthew S-H)
   3. Re: [Hoary] using the Warty kernel ? (John Nicholls)
   4. Re: default login (Christoph Georgi)
   5. Re: New VTE (James Wilkinson)
   6. Re: VNC Installation (James Wilkinson)
   7. playing DVD (Totem-Xine) - 2 ( Ren? L. Reingard )
   8. Re: [Hoary] using the Warty kernel ? (Vincent Trouilliez)
   9. Re: VNC Installation (Matthew S-H)
  10. Re: nvidia open source driver, if any (Daniel Stone)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Roland <ronroland68 at yahoo.com>
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what is the default log-in for ubuntu.  I installed ubuntu onto an extra harddrive.  When mounted, ubuntu boots up just fine, but I can't remember what the log-in and password is.  I remember there was a default.


	
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 02:55:33 -0400
From: Matthew S-H <mathbymath at aol.com>
Subject: Re: VNC Installation
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Then you're probably going to have to dig out the old monitor.
Before the OS is installed, there isn't much it can do.
It is probably worth it to get it out though.  Ubuntu is a LOT better than Win2000.  I have converted from XP, and I love Ubuntu.
Also, jw, do you have a Hoary or a Warty CD?

~Matt


On May 8, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Ropetin Again wrote:

> Matthew S-H wrote:
>> No, VNC is not automatically running while you are installing Ubuntu.
>> It is pre-installed in the default install though.
>> The only way you could install it without a monitor would be if you
>> somehow memorized the exact keyboard presses you would have to make
>> (ie:  its impossible).
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, what kind of computer have you been using as a
>> desktop?  If the monitor you are using for the desktop can just be
>> plugged into the Win2000 box for an hour or so while you run the
>> install, you can install Ubuntu and then go back to your old setup
>> and use VNC.
>>
>> Note that I am not very experienced, so there might be a way around
>> this that I am just not aware of.
>>
>>
>> ~Matt
>>
>
> I'm using my bad ass Dell laptop, so the monitor is not removable I'm
> afraid.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:39:18 +1000
From: John Nicholls <john.nicholls at acslink.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Hoary] using the Warty kernel ?
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> I would have switched to Hoary if it wasn't for the TV card that stopped
> working, but works fine in Warty. Trying to narrow it down in the hope
> that it will be fixed for Breezy. Seems the problem is pretty low level,
> so I am trying to retro-fit the Warty kernel in Hoary, to see what
> happens.
>
> But not sure how to do it.
<snip>

I have just finished the reverse procedure: changing the Warty kernel to
use the one in Hoary. After studying comments on this newsgroup, I
decided the easiest way was to use Synaptic to install
linux-image-2.6.10-5-386, which installs all the necessary files. In
your case, you'd install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 or
linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-386. This will also rewrite grub, so you may need
to amend /boot/grub/menu.lst.

Regards
John




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:37:26 +1200
From: Christoph Georgi <christoph.georgi at web.de>
Subject: Re: default login
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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You created a user when you installed ubuntu. There is no "default
user".. But you can boot your machine into the "filesave" mode, which
will give you a root console. Therein you can change/add a user to your
system with passwd

regards
.christoph

Ron Roland wrote:
| what is the default log-in for ubuntu.  I installed
| ubuntu onto an extra harddrive.  When mounted, ubuntu
| boots up just fine, but I can't remember what the
| log-in and password is.  I remember there was a default.
|
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:40:24 +0100
From: James Wilkinson <ubuntu at westexe.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New VTE
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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I wrote about gnome-terminal, saying I'd found the Fedora Core 3 version
buggy:
> Ubuntu's gnome-terminal is pleasantly free of these bugs. It may be
> inefficient, but it does what it's supposed to do.

Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> This is where my understanding of open-source implementation
> fails me. My intuition would tell me that the quality of a
> given open-source app would be as good as the best version
> of it that's out there. So if Debian has a good version of
> gnome-terminal (which it does -- I've never had the bug you
> linked to), Red Hat would have a version that's at least as
> good as the Deb version. So why doesn't it work that way?

Well, it's like the difference between Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise
Linux, or Debian unstable and Debian stable. Recent code tends to have
both more features and more bugs. Each distribution makes its own choice
on each package. In this case, I presume Fedora has the more recent
code, while Ubuntu has older code where the bugs have been found and
removed.

I believe that the Red Hat / Fedora crew are responsible for a number of
changes to vte, aimed at improving efficiency (I think there might be
things like accessibility patches in there too). Good things if they
work. In my experience, they *mostly* do, but they can certainly mess up
my mutt session!

This isn't just confined to Linux: many people have observed that new
versions of Windows NT have too many bugs for comfort. They find the
comfort level finally becomes acceptable after a number of service
packs, then Microsoft release another version of NT that's been
thoroughly rewritten (= new, buggy code) and the process starts again...

I probably ought to check just how many of the Fedora / Red Hat changes
have made it into upstream.

James.

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:51:21 +0100
From: James Wilkinson <ubuntu at westexe.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: VNC Installation
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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Ropetin Again wrote:
> This question comes from one thing really, laziness.  I have an older
> desktop (p3 1GHz, 512Mb) that I use as a server for music, as remote
> storage and as a Torrent downloader.  Currently it is running Windows
> 2000, with a VNC server so it is headless.
>
> I would like to be able to replace Windows with Linux, but I don't want
> to get the monitor out of storage.  Is it possible to install Ubuntu (or
> any other version of Linux I guess), including re-partitioning, via a
> VNC connection?  Or the real question is, does Ubuntu or another distro
> have a VNC server enabled at part of the install?

I believe you can install Fedora like this (if you have a DHCP server so
it can discover an IP address).

You put the install CD in. About two seconds after it boots, it comes up
with a boot option screen. You type vnc (maybe vnc linux: I can't
remember), so you'll have to have a keyboard attached. Wait for the
thing to boot, then connect to it via VNC.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=25826

This might be a good option for Ubuntu, or it might be essentially
bloat. (I presume it's designed to help people remotely install Linux:
you can get untrained staff to put a CD in, reboot, and type one line).

James.

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 09:54:29 +0200
From: " Ren? L. Reingard " <reingard at hispeed.ch>
Subject: playing DVD (Totem-Xine) - 2
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Am Sun, 08 May 2005 02:41:47 +0300 schrieb ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY 
<zamb at saudi.net.sa>:

> On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 00:35 +0200, René L. Reingard wrote:
>> i installed TOTEM-xine as explained under: 
>> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
>> now, some DVD can be played and some DVD's are just detected as 
>> DVD-ROM's. these ones detected as DVD-ROM's
>> are videos my son has seen >> a hundred times before (using OGLE and 
>> VLC in Warty).

> Did you try force playing them in Totem?  (From Totem menu, choose "Play 
> Disc"). Also, if above didn't work, try
> browsing the DVD and dragging one of the large *.vob files to the Totem 
> menu and see if it plays or not.

>> could this have any other reason than the DVD player itself, like some 
>> wrong settings of the CD-Drive?

> Personally, I don't think so.  The fact that some DVDs plays fine and 
> others don't is the indication of other problem.
> If all the above didn't help, please post the error message Totem 
> displays when forcing it to play DVDs.

thanks Ziyad
there is no such thing like "forcing" possible, cause some DVD's are just 
detected as empty, browsing them shows nothing! i also did open in these 
cases TOTEM and choosed "Play Disc/DVD". nothing works. BUT NOW, one 
really strange thing i got to understand:
i do have a dual boot system (WIndows XP and Ubuntu HOARY). the windows 
partition got always nicely mounted in WARTY (Icon on the desktop AND in 
Nautilus). in Hoary it also gets mounted, i can browse the Windows 
Partition in Nautilus through. BUT it can happen, that after starting the 
computer, that the Windows Partition does not get its own ICON, neither in 
Nautilus NOR on the Desktop (--> still i can browse the partition through 
the mountpoint /media/windows). and now the strange thing: ONLY in the 
case when this Icon for the Windows Partition comes up, and it only comes 
up from time to time - how i do not know, my friend - , then the DVD is 
not detected as empty and i can open TOTEM, choose "Play CD/DVD" and the 
film goes well. still at this point, the autodetection (--> detecting DVD 
and open TOTEM automatically by default setting) on the CD-Drive does not 
work for these DVD's. and the CD-Drive shows himself as CD-ROM1 and dows 
not display the name of the film (as it does with other DVD's) and there 
is also no Icon of the Disk on the desktop (including name of the film) as 
it is with the others.
grrrrr!!
what couls that be??
something got shaked here? the Hoary upgrade two days ago just went fine.
regards;
René



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 09:54:02 +0200
From: Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>
Subject: Re: [Hoary] using the Warty kernel ?
To: Ubuntu mailing list <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> I'm running an older kernel on hoary without any problems. 
>
> Bob

Ah, thanks Bob, and everyone else who helped.
I did as suggested... installed Warty so as to have the kernel, then
upgraded to Hoary. As I anticipated.... my TV card works perfectly in
Hoary if I boot the Warty kernel ! :o)
Problem solved, I can now use Hoary at last, no show stoppers
anymore ! :-)  And now of course, at last I have something to report a
bug against, so that hopefully the devs can look into it for
Breezy ! :o)

--
Vince, able to switch to Hoary in the end...




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 04:21:16 -0400
From: Matthew S-H <mathbymath at aol.com>
Subject: Re: VNC Installation
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On May 8, 2005, at 3:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:
> you can get untrained staff to put a CD in, reboot, and type one line).

But Ubuntu is so easy to install even the untrained staff can do it :).
  haha.
right everyone?

~Matt




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:26:42 +1000
From: Daniel Stone <daniel at fooishbar.org>
Subject: Re: nvidia open source driver, if any
To: bposs at dodo.com.au,	Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
	<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <20050508082642.GG18313 at catsby.fooishbar.org>
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On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 01:15:55AM +1000, Robert L Parker wrote:
> I have been under the impression that the NV driver named in xorg.conf
> is open source. Is that so?

Yes, but it's not very useful to us, because the code just looks like
this:
	pNV[0x1346] = pNV[0x1348] | 0x8;
	pNV[0x2940] = 0x4;
	[...]

There's no indication as to what these numbers mean; they are just
random hex constants.
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