From uid000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 00:01:08 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:01:08 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0511301422x2686f18ek8d2e4224566e1b0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10511300555k108c6ef1gd02477bb91b2aad0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<fb4429d10511300733w2587a6cdhe9604a32845c3462@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133372353.23807.22.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<fb4429d10511301012y14354ed2x608f508a5f7b488e@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301422x2686f18ek8d2e4224566e1b0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10511301601q79073c94k88b22de0fded274@mail.gmail.com>

I think I might not have conveyed my original point very well.  Some
posters are very defensive of raid and may mistakenly believe that I
was discounting as a potential solution.

All I was really trying to say (somewhat clumsily) was that what a
raid setup protects you you from that any other solution (LVM, JBOD,
single disk) combined with regular backups doesn't is downtime in the
event of a physical disk failure, since you can rebuild the array from
parity (assuming you have a replacement disk) without having to do a
complete restore.

I just wanted to suggest that for some users, the time it takes to
restore from backup to get the data back may not be a problem, and
might be worth the almost mindless simplicity of setting up LVM.

Personally I am a raid user (though not at the moment) and I think
various raid configuration s have some pretty neat implications.  I
just wanted add another idea that may be viable in some circumstances.
 Sorry for any confusion.

On 11/30/05, Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > File gets corrupted/damaged/deleted/misplaced/overwritten/etc--> go to
> > backup set and restore. That seems fairly relevent.
>
> It is irrelevant, as it can (and will) happen whether you have RAID-0,
> RAID-5, RAID-10 or JBOD storage. The way you configure your storage
> matters not if a user decides to run a 'rm -rf *' in his home
> directory or on his fileshare.
>



From joz_mak at yahoo.ca  Thu Dec  1 00:09:06 2005
From: joz_mak at yahoo.ca (j Mak)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dapper Clearlooks Widget Factory Screenshot
In-Reply-To: <438E37B3.3010201@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <20051201000906.5381.qmail@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:

> j Mak wrote:
> > I like everything about clearlooks except the
> window
> > border. I would like to see versions of it with
> flat
> > color border rather than gradient. 
> > 
> 
> It looks pretty flat to me.....
> 
>
http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.5_1.png
> 

They are not flat, they are subtle gradients, not very
trendy anymore; they makes the window feel top-heavy. 

J. Mak


> Scott
> www.angrykeyboarder.com
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> Wesewved
> 
> 
> 
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>
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> 



	

	
		
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From sett at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec  1 00:16:24 2005
From: sett at iinet.net.au (tom)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:16:24 +1100
Subject: Making a Photo CD
In-Reply-To: <1a69d4c6050612225173fbbc28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a69d4c6050612225173fbbc28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133396184.8116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 22:51 -0700, David Foster wrote:
> I need an application to make a slide show type photo cd/vcd from a
> batch of pictures Any suggestions?
> 
> -- 
> David Foster
> dbfoster at gmail.com

I too would like a linux based photo cd creation programme .... one that
would make the resultant cd 'playable' in linux or windows and
especially if it woud allow selctive photo printing ....

Anyone any ideas on how one might go about this ... maybe a common set
of data on which the appropriate application in its own OS could be
used ???

Tom



From uid000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 00:32:33 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:32:33 -0500
Subject: Which USB mp3 player to purchase?
In-Reply-To: <59c88c4d0511301401p63e78b98g729266ab68d29634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A90FFBA@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
	<59c88c4d0511301401p63e78b98g729266ab68d29634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10511301632k1ef7d616t73fc2161885fbd1e@mail.gmail.com>

Interestingly, the iriver actually came up a few weeks ago on the
list. The October issue of Tux Magazine, http://www.tuxmagazine.com,
which is available free in PDF format, has a really good article on
getting iRiver Digital Audio Players working with linux.  It discusses
the firmware.  Not sure if it works with the IFP-800

On 11/30/05, Lee Colleton <lee at colleton.net> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have an iRiver with the USB Mass Storage firmware installed so it acts

> > --

>
> Ooh ooh!  Flashy goodness!
> Which firmware is that?
> Does it work on the IFP-800 series?
> --
> Lee Colleton <lee at colleton.net>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 00:23:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:23:41 -0500
Subject: Removing tg3 and using bcm5700 instead in Breezy
References: <3dde113c0509161101f9df633@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <khartig.1zc5km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you ever get this working?



I am at the same point you are at the moment.



-kevin.


-- 
khartig



From shot at hot.pl  Thu Dec  1 00:48:59 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:48:59 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <438E3A46.1010609@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<406163-rr9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<438E3A46.1010609@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <20051201004859.GK22403@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

Scott:

> I gave etch a try a few weeks back which was missing scads-o-packages.
> I found said packages in Sid.  So, I was using packages from both.  It
> became dependency hell (even with pinning).

In my experience, sooner or later I always needed a package that
depended (directly or indirectly) on sid's libc, in which case pinning
the default to testing packages for stability reasons seems rather moot,
and I always ended with a sid-only system.

> From my personal experience, I've found that Ubuntu has some
> packages I like/want that Debian doesn't and Debian has some
> packages I like/want that Ubuntu doesn't.

Yes, but porting packages from Debian sid to Ubuntu stable is, in my
opinion, usually quite easy (just a `fakeroot dpkg-rebuildpackage`
away in most cases).

> In the meantime, Sarge is OK if you don't mind not having
> the latest stuff (and for a server it's awesome I'm sure).

Actually, I'm using Ubuntu on my servers as well. In theory, I have to
remember to track non-main packages' security by myself (while Debian
supports everything it ships), but in practice the MotU team does
a splendid job, Debian's security isn't as good as Ubuntu's main's,
and at least I can use a supported, official PHP 5 packages. :o)

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
                 There's too much blood in my caffeine system.
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From gmzimmer at michonline.net  Thu Dec  1 00:51:40 2005
From: gmzimmer at michonline.net (George)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:51:40 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
In-Reply-To: <006601c5f5f8$644b5400$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com>
	<006601c5f5f8$644b5400$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <200511301951.40515.gmzimmer@michonline.net>

On Wednesday 30 November 2005 04:52 pm, Hodgins Family wrote:
Please unsubscribe
> Good afternoon!
>
> >  My problem is I've installed Ubuntu on a home built PC with 6 30G hard
> > drives,
>
> Six drives? Wow!
>
> > Pentium 3 and 512MB memory a SCSI controller for the DVD drive and
> > CD-RW drive.
>
> Not likely to be your problem.
>
> >Two Romtec Trios control which hard drive is booted.  Each
> > Trios controls three drives.
>
> Don't know much about Romtecs. Are the Romtecs working. Or...were the
> Romtecs working on that machine before installing Ubuntu?
> What other OS are on the drives and can you get these to boot OK?
>
> >  I had no problem installing the software but after removing the CD and
> > rebooting, I get the message:
> >
> > Uncopressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
> > Loading, please wait...
> > [4294691.913000] Buffer I/O error on Device hda, logical block 0
> > [4294692.802000] Buffer I/O error on Device hda, logical block 0
> > ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exists.  Dropping to a shell!
>
> What happens if the drives are connected to the internal IDE controllers
> can they boot then?
> If you boot with Knoppix (for example) can you see hda1?
> When Ubuntu was installing do you remember if it chose a drive to be hda1
> (once I did an install on a drive that was connected to a PCI controller
> card -- the install called it hdg1). Maybe you need to change alter GRUB to
> look at the right drive?
>
> Too many questions here, sorry for the lack of answers.
>
> Rob



From john at technolalia.org  Thu Dec  1 00:54:13 2005
From: john at technolalia.org (john levin)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:54:13 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
In-Reply-To: <200511301951.40515.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com>	<006601c5f5f8$644b5400$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<200511301951.40515.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
Message-ID: <438E49B5.8080805@technolalia.org>

George wrote:

> Please unsubscribe

To unsubscribe, go to the page mentioned at the bottom of every email 
from this list:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
You will be able to unsubscribe yourself, using the unsubscribe/edit 
options box at the bottom of the page.

HTH

John



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 00:58:13 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:58:13 -0700
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>

Sam Tygier wrote:
> Luca Manganelli wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a Centrino 1,5Ghz and Firefox is really slow on switching
>> through tabs. It takes about 2-3 seconds, a huge time!
>> 
>> There's a fix on this ?
>> 
>> --
>> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> 
> firefox 1.5 is much better at this. there is a howto on the wiki for getting a beta version.
> 

It's beta no more. It became final yesterday.

http://angrykeyboarder.com/firefox

Hopefully it will be in Breezy Backports within the next 30 days.....


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 01:16:47 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:47 -0700
Subject: nForce4 and Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <4385E81B.4070900@rptec.ch>
References: <4385E81B.4070900@rptec.ch>
Message-ID: <438E4EFF.7010109@angrykeyboarder.com>

Jean-Eric Cuendet wrote:
> Hi,
> This mail to tell that my AMD64 machine with nForce4 chipset (ASUS 
> A8N-E) and SATA disks works beautifully with Ubuntu Breezy.
> No problems so far, all is recognized (SATA, Sound, USB, Network).
> Just for archive.
> Bye.
> -jec
> 

Do you have more than one internal hard drive and if so, are they
configured in any kind or RAID?


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 01:11:43 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:11:43 -0700
Subject: Need more disk space
In-Reply-To: <1133035707.17331.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133035707.17331.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <438E4DCF.8030908@angrykeyboarder.com>

David J. Hatter wrote:
> I am a relatively new Linux user.  I started with Debian.  I then moved
> to Ubuntu and I am happy with it.  I have the following partitions:
> 
> hda1	Windows 98SE	4GB
> hda2	Ubuntu		2GB
> hda3	Swap
> hda4	Debian		2GB
> 
> I can select from Windows, Ubuntu and Debian at start up (the boot
> options were setup through the Ubuntu install). I don't plan on using
> Debian any more and don't have any files saved there that I need.  I
> need Windows 98SE for some work stuff but don't need 4GB.
> 
> I am thinking that it might make sense to reduce the size of hda1,
> increase hda4 and use hda4 for my Ubuntu home directory.
> 
> Any other suggestions and, most importantly, how do I this?


http://tinyurl.com/co674

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

-- 
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www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 01:12:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:12:05 -0500
Subject: evolution antispam not working
References: <1118443522.8494.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><200506101937.28006.ubuntuser@pmbservices.com><d8fbfs$ti9$1@sea.gmane.org><william_nbg.1xnxza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><twowheeler.1xnywm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><btdown.1y6hkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y6m7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1131461851.8157.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><Darrin.1y6pwr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><evan1221.1z79na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1z7iwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1133196089.9698.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Darrin.1z80hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<fct.1zbqrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <evan1221.1zc7fb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


you can also check that in the menu 'edit -> plugins' the plugin 'Sa
Junk Plugin' is here and enabled.



after you receive mail you can also check the logs *tail
/var/log/mail.log* to check that spamd processed your mail. If so, then
maybe you could just wait a little for the filter to be trained ;)



Evan


-- 
evan1221



From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Thu Dec  1 01:28:00 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:28:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>

This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
have completely replaced Windows.

Thanks in advance for your time.
Don
-- 
DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate
http://matheteuo.org/
"Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 01:33:01 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:33:01 -0700
Subject: Dapper Clearlooks Widget Factory Screenshot
In-Reply-To: <20051201000906.5381.qmail@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201000906.5381.qmail@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438E52CD.5070400@angrykeyboarder.com>

j Mak wrote:
> --- Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
> 
>> j Mak wrote:
>> > I like everything about clearlooks except the
>> window
>> > border. I would like to see versions of it with
>> flat
>> > color border rather than gradient. 
>> > 
>> 
>> It looks pretty flat to me.....
>> 
>>
> http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.5_1.png
>> 
> 
> They are not flat, they are subtle gradients, not very
> trendy anymore; they makes the window feel top-heavy. 

Oh OK. I don't fine the look "top-heavy" myself but then,  I am not the
artiste...

Now this, is "top heavy"

http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/666

I know I've tried it.

And to me, "not trendy" in the X-GUI world is anything related to
GNUstep/Windowmaker/NEXTstep, Motif, ICEWM or anything using GTK1.

Oh and then there's the previous default GNOME 2 theme which was "Crux"
 and was always rather ugly.

Clearlooks beccame GNOME's default in GNOME 2.10 and is a vast improvement.

I don't have any problem with the Clearlooks Metacity theme. It's not
great, but it's not ugly either.  It's pretty neutral, which I think
might be what they had in mind.

Now if Dapper would just jettison that default brown stuff... ;-)


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 01:34:01 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:34:01 +0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <509d63b70511301734y54fb74b6hc5d4891376509a6b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
>
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don
> --
> DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate
> http://matheteuo.org/
> "Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Sadly no, although many of the terminals in our office is on Ubuntu, most of
our management use macs and windows. Mostly due to the issue of peropherals
like scanners and printers not working with ubuntu. But the terminals we
have on Ubuntu are working well thouh I guess the only issue are drivers for
scanners etc.

Charles
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From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 01:35:46 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:35:46 +0800
Subject: gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<438D84D0.30803@bitspace.org>
	<1133363151.6295.10.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <509d63b70511301735q669e76f8j75b1d5c5133fef2f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 01 December 2005 02:05, David Hart wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 05:54 -0500, Chris Woods wrote:
> > > Take a look at Jabber (http://jabber.org). If you're just looking for
> > > internal IM and don't need collaboration with people on other IM
> > > networks, Jabber might fit the bill, as you can run a Jabber server
> > > internally.
> >
> > Jabber _does_ interoperate with other IM networks (AIM, MSN, Yahoo ...)
> > if you install and configure the appropriate transports.
>
> Plus, once the transports are configured, you can set permissions on who
> has
> access to external IM networks, or whether file transfers are allowed,
> etc.
>
> As a corporate IM gateway, Jabber is fantastic!  I installed it at work
> and
> set all the Windows users up with Psi (Jabber client) and it's been
> fantastic.  Most of our IM traffic is internal anyway, so Jabber slotted
> into
> our environment perfectly.  We have transports for all the major IM
> networks
> (ICQ/YIM/MSN) but only text-chat is allowed - not file transfers.  All the
> ports for these external IM networks are blocked unless it comes from the
> Jabber server - so there's no way around[1].
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
> [1] - But "MSN can connect on port 80" you say?  Yeh, but our web proxies
> deny
> "connect" methods.  GET/POST/HEAD etc are ok though.  Some of the more
> clueful IT Operations staff and developers have done ssh port forwarding
> to
> bypass the Jabber server, but they (devs & itops) are the only ones able
> to
> use port 22 as it is, so it's not a big deal.
> --
> The solution of this problem is trivial and is left as an exercise for
> the reader.
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



Thats sounds great, thanks guys ill look into it.

Charles
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From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 01:36:01 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:36:01 +0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
3x over
Once on my home Desktop and also on my Work Laptop Plus my home server :-)

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH
YOUR WINDOW, YOU ACCEPT IT AS IS AND AGREE TO MY DISCLAIMER OF ALL
WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS WELL AS DISCLAIMERS OF ALL
LIABILITY, DIRECT, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL, THAT MAY
ARISE FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BRICK INTO YOUR BUILDING." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec  1 01:41:45 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:41:45 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <1133401305.8440.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 20:28 -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your time.


Well, there is me :o)


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 01:49:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:49:17 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes, the only issue that keeps pushing me to use windows is that my wife
uses msn messenger with webcam, and refuses to use gnomemeeting from
time to time :/, guess that will be fixed when the new gaim release is
out (dont mind to use amsn...).


-- 
arpunk



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 01:51:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:51:20 -0500
Subject: Debian APT sources
References: <da988b050511301238h2dff8831x44314d8df8f409f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <azz.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Marcio Carvalho Wrote: 
> Is there any problem in adding the Debian oficial stable sources to my

> source.list???

> 

> I wish to get the lastest debian packages for some programs.

> 

> Marcio.

> 



"Do you feel lucky?"


-- 
azz



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 01:57:58 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:57:58 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
In-Reply-To: <200511301951.40515.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com>	<006601c5f5f8$644b5400$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<200511301951.40515.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
Message-ID: <438E58A6.1030908@angrykeyboarder.com>

George wrote:
> Please unsubscribe

I don't wanna. I like it here!

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From james at grayonline.id.au  Thu Dec  1 02:16:20 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:16:20 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <200512011316.25423.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 12:28, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don

All my desktop machines use Ubuntu (Kubuntu actually):
Home Systems:
frodo        - AMD64 Kubuntu Breezy
highlander   - Ubuntu Breezy server (firewall)
arachnid     - Ubuntu Breezy server (web + DNS server)
ninja        - Ubuntu Breezy server (Mail)
mojo         - Ubuntu Breezy server (NFS+Samba + DHCP + Squid + MySQL +...)

Work Systems:
gandalf     - Intel Centrino Laptop (HP NC6230) Kubuntu Breezy
4 x servers - Ubuntu Breezy servers
              (squid proxy, mail filter x 2, DNS server)

My wife uses WinXP but accesses her stuff via Samba.  So As far as I'm 
concerned, Windows is a vague memory of a bygone era, although I still 
support it via Samba on my LAN :P

BTW - my squid proxy and mail filters at work both talk to the Winders 
(in)Active Directory to authenticate users (squid) and determine if an e-mail 
recipient actually exists on the domain (mail filters).

Cheers,
 
James
-- 
: is not an identifier
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From cyberbear at plateautel.net  Thu Dec  1 02:17:57 2005
From: cyberbear at plateautel.net (Ron Bellomo)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:57 -0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <438E5D55.1050000@plateautel.net>

DC Parris wrote:

>This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
>have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
>replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
>need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
>have completely replaced Windows.
>
>Thanks in advance for your time.
>Don
>  
>
Yes, I am running Ubuntu exclusively on all 4 of my computers. They 
include two HP Pavilions (different models), one HP laptop, and a no 
name beige box.

This computer (Athlon XP 3000+, 1Gig RAM) has dual monitors, my other 
Pavilion (1.8GHz P4, 512 MB RAM) has an HP ScanJet 5p scanner running on 
an Adaptec SCSI adapter, the laptop (2.4 GHz Celeron, 512 MB RAM) is 
using a wireless connection, and the beige box is the oldest, runs an 
Athlon 1 GHz processor (384 MB RAM), and is the one I experiment with 
the most.

HTH.

Ron



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 02:17:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:57 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


arpunk Wrote: 
> Yes, the only issue that keeps pushing me to use windows is that my wife
> uses msn messenger with webcam, and refuses to use gnomemeeting from
> time to time :/, guess that will be fixed when the new gaim release is
> out (dont mind to use amsn...).

Maybe not..

I sure I read in a blog recently that Google dumped a barrow load of
code into the GAIM project and had a hand in tossing out the MSN video
code that was nearly completed..



I'f I could do a word search in BLAM I'd find the article and post it
:-P


-- 
senectus



From ed at fletcher.ca  Thu Dec  1 02:22:51 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:51 -0800
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
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Anders Karlsson wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Martin Schmeisser <SchmeisserMartin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>Hi all,
>>
>>i believe its ok to put a 2 gig /boot partition on ONE of the disks..
>>Linux Software Raid can handle different media sizes nicely
> 
> 
> It is okay to have that /boot partition as an MD device (i.e.
> mirrored) as well, whether that is Original + 1 Copy or Original + 4
> Copies. I would advocate mirroring your root or boot partition as a
> safety precaution.
> 
> I boot my kernel with 'root=/dev/md0' and that works fine. hda1 and
> hdc1 is the two parts in that mirror, so grub has no problems locating
> my kernel.

I think that you are better off having the boot drive separate from
the data drive/array.  Otherwise, you might not be able to boot if a
drive on the array fails.  If your boot drive is separate, then you
just replace the failed array drive and wait while it automatically
rebuilds.

The boot drive doesn't have to be a large drive.  Especially if you
don't load X.  I find that using a command line is good enough on a
server and I save a lot of space by not using windows.  And almost
everyone has a small, old drive sitting around that would be great in
this environment.

And while I'm on the subject of servers, I think that it's worth
noting that you don't need much of a machine.  I have a raid 5 array
at home running on a P-Pro 180.  It served up samba, ftp, apache (very
light load) and I can burn cd's on it.  Never got the load up very
high.  (Hmm . . . well it's still at home but not running.  The four
40 GB disks gave me 120 GB of raid 5.  I now have one 250 GB in an
external USB case.  Uses a lot less electricity.)  Hmm . . . Another
good point, get an extra power supply just for the array.  I found
that I needed a second one in my server.

HTH,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

When one door of happiness closes, another opens;
but often we look so long at the closed door that
we do not see the one which has opened for us.
- - Helen Keller
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 02:34:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:34:55 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes. On four different computers used for both work and play.


-- 
matthew



From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  1 02:45:42 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:45:42 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <438E63D6.7000100@earthlink.net>

DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don

Don:
No Windows here in over three years. Hoary on this box, Mandrake on the 
spare machine (mostly used by grandchildren), and SheThatIs uses a Mac 
mini. Oh yeah, there's also an old CP/M computer on the shelf.

-- cmg




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 02:41:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:41:20 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <briguy.1zcc1z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I run Ubuntu on my laptop and on my desktop/server.  I also have a media
box, which runs XP because I like MediaPortal (I tried KnoppMyth but
setting up the PVR-500 proved out of my range of skills).  



I don't think I'd be comfortable running a windows box in a desktop
environment now, at least not one attached to the internet.  Yeah, you
can make it secure but it's a lot more work!  :rolleyes:


-- 
briguy



From noahdain at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:08:56 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:08:56 -0500
Subject: Contact Management
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70511292159t33e19b60i836add651174cd40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511290607x191b7d83m84749aeb5c8ec272@mail.gmail.com>
	<86d5kj2s4y.fsf@gmail.com>
	<509d63b70511291804g24986ea8t9a1e192ac274df6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<df5f317b0511291948p4ef19a37j1e7e13d9069df04f@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70511292159t33e19b60i836add651174cd40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5f317b0511301908q8d9c679j15eedf0b52cd4352@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Charles Yao <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/30/05, Noah Dain <noahdain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/29/05, Charles Yao <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/30/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Charles Yao <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > | Hi guys,
> > > > |
> > > > | Do you know any contact management software for ubuntu?
> > > > |
> > > > | Charles
> > > >
> > > > Thunderbird is quite good.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> > > > .     *                                       .
> > > > .    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
> > > > .   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
> > > > .   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
> > > > .  /.''.'\                                    .
> > > > .  /.'.'.\                                    .
> > > > . /'.''.'.\                                   .
> > > > . ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
> > > > .                                             .
> > > > .Leon                                         .
> > > > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hi What Im actaully looking for is something that my entire office can
> use.
> > > A central repository of contacts with all the details so that we wont
> have
> > > to keep searching or asking each other for the phone numbers or emails
> of
> > > clients. Were currently using openwebmail as my employees want to access
> > > their email from wherever they are as they do not have laptops. Also, I
> need
> > > it to work on macs as there are amny pcs int he office using them.
> > >
> > >  Thanks guys,
> > >
> > >  Charles
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > I'd look into a free groupware server that supports using an ldap
> > backend for contact management.  Maybe something like egroupware or
> > phpgroupware would work?  both are in debian and ubuntu-universe.
> >
> > --
> > Noah Dain
> >
> > --
>
>
>  Thanks Noah, would it be difficult to implement it? I have no experience
> with installing and configuring this kind of software.
>
>  Charles
>
> --

A groupware system would be fairly complex to setup, and would replace
whatever you are using now.  The advantages are you get a whole slew
of features at your disposal, but more importantly your contact
database (and more) could be in ldap.  Many programs have some form of
support for ldap, and you should never need to migrate away from ldap
for your purpose.

I've not set one of these up yet, but I have been meaning to.  I think
I'll whip up a vmware install of ubu this weekend and give it a go.

I personally can't wait for some of these projects to start AJAXing
their groupware suites.  I wouldn't mind being able to easily replace
some of the exchange servers I'm forced to look after.  ;-)

--
Noah Dain



From mtbeedee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:20:10 2005
From: mtbeedee at gmail.com (Michael Beattie)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:20:10 -0500
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
Message-ID: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>

Whenever I try to import an MP3 into rhythmbox, it always says "The
file is not an audio stream"

Why does it do that and how to I fix it?

Thanks



From mpalmer at hezmatt.org  Thu Dec  1 03:37:16 2005
From: mpalmer at hezmatt.org (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:37:16 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <20051201033716.GB11701@hezmatt.org>

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 08:28:00PM -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

I've got an XP partition on this laptop, but it's never been booted in the 4
months I've had the machine.  My (non-technical) wife doesn't even have the
windows partition, she's 100% Ubuntu.  The file/print server runs it, and
the router runs OpenWRT.

- Matt
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 03:06:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:06:25 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438E63D6.7000100@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SamH.1zccza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I probably don't fit your criteria.  I use switchable hard drives rather
than dual boot.  I only use WinXP for some games I play once in a while.
I'll stay up on Ubuntu for weeks at a time.  I use Ubuntu for work and
play other than Civ IV and Alpha Centauri, and my wife uses it to write
her papers for nursing school and web research.


-- 
SamH



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 03:17:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:17:49 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438E63D6.7000100@earthlink.net> <SamH.1zccza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <keithb.1zccza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


When I used Hoary I still had WinXP on the same computer but didn't ever
use it. When I installed Breezy, I re-formatted and now have only
Ubuntu. We have other family members in our home with other computers.
They still have WinXP. I have not convinced them to switch. I use Win2k
at work. I do prefer Ubuntu though. I use a fat32 external hard drive to
swap files between work and home.


-- 
keithb



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 03:33:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:33:15 -0500
Subject: evolution antispam not working
References: <1118443522.8494.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><200506101937.28006.ubuntuser@pmbservices.com><d8fbfs$ti9$1@sea.gmane.org><william_nbg.1xnxza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><twowheeler.1xnywm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><btdown.1y6hkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y6m7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1131461851.8157.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><Darrin.1y6pwr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><evan1221.1z79na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1z7iwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <Darrin.1zcdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I do have the evolution plugins installed and also Sa Junk Plugin
checked. I looked at my mail logs and it appears to be working. Still
no spam in the junk box. Have trained probably about a hundred or so at
this point and still not detecting any of it. :(


-- 
Darrin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 03:33:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:33:25 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <arpunk.1zcdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


senectus Wrote: 
> Maybe not..

> I sure I read in a blog recently that Google dumped a barrow load of
> code into the GAIM project and had a hand in tossing out the MSN video
> code that was nearly completed..

> 

> I'f I could do a word search in BLAM I'd find the article and post it
> :-P
Yea, but the other day i went to #gaim and asked about webcams and
whats going on with the news, and got flamed and kicked out :/ guess we
just have to wait, thus i admit i would really love to see webcam on
gaim, while that, ill just stick with gnomemeeting :D


-- 
arpunk



From jvalennc at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:41:18 2005
From: jvalennc at gmail.com (Jerry Valentine)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:41:18 -0600
Subject: ATI 3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133
Message-ID: <28540ec60511301941q48c57319w661be1ada56b4486@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone had any success with this card and Ubuntu Breezy 5.10?  I think I'm
having some issues with OpenGL and 3D acceleration?  Is it my driver or is
it just a crummy card?  Thanks for you help.
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:49:31 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:19:31 +0530
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <438D917E.3080100@digitalanswers.biz>
References: <795d38840511291055q6eba124auf7519108d9bb3b83@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133292631.10577.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<438D917E.3080100@digitalanswers.biz>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70511301949x776ffb5eqbc435ae4b7551e5c@mail.gmail.com>

K3b is very similar to Nero.So is GnomeBaker.I prefer GnomeBaker as I need
not install KDEbase ,since I use Ubuntu not Kubuntu plus I only havr a
dialup connection.So every byte is expensive,,

On 11/30/05, Rick Chagouri-Brindle <rcb at digitalanswers.biz> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 18:56 +0000, Jillian Skarm wrote:
> >> Hey Ubuntu Users ,
> >> I 'm new to Ubuntu .  My problem is with how to copy data on the CD.
> >> I cant burn the CD and because of old PC still use Warty.  In windows
> >> I used Nero, so what is the equivalent software here ? I tried google
> >> but no luck. Please help.
> >>
> >
> > I use K3b which is very similar to Nero in my opinion.
> I too use K3b for its simplicity, reliability and similarity to Nero!
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From pawinski at ananzi.co.za  Thu Dec  1 03:52:42 2005
From: pawinski at ananzi.co.za (Marek Pawinski)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:52:42 +0200
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>

Michael Beattie wrote:
> Whenever I try to import an MP3 into rhythmbox, it always says "The
> file is not an audio stream"
> 
> Why does it do that and how to I fix it?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Rhythmbox does not play mp3's by default if i remember correctly, what i 
do is install xine and totem-xine to sort out the mp3 and video problems.



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 03:51:58 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:58 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <87iru98of5.fsf@gmail.com>

"DC Parris" <dcparris at matheteuo.org> writes:

   This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
   have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
   replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
   need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
   have completely replaced Windows.

Never even considered a dual boot -- just replaced it, March 2004.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 03:52:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:52:07 -0500
Subject: evolution antispam not working
References: <1118443522.8494.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><200506101937.28006.ubuntuser@pmbservices.com><d8fbfs$ti9$1@sea.gmane.org><william_nbg.1xnxza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><twowheeler.1xnywm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><btdown.1y6hkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y6m7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1131461851.8157.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><Darrin.1y6pwr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><evan1221.1z79na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1z7iwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1133196089.9698.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Darrin.1z80hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<fct.1zbqrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<evan1221.1zc7fb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Darrin.1zcdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Darrin.1zcety@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Heres something I did notice in the mail.log. Log shows at the end of
each line autolearn=no. Could this be the problem? Heres an example
from my log.




Code:
--------------------
    Nov 30 19:20:27 localhost spamd[8979]: result: .  0 - AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE scantime=1.0,size=82043,mid=<200511301700.jAUH0dZL016656 at chatbox-smtp-out5.apple.com>,autolearn=no 
--------------------


-- 
Darrin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 04:06:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com><515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <skirkpatrick.1zcfra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


How difficult is it to extend a Raid 5?  Do you always need 5 drives?  I
currently have a RH8 server with mirrored 80GB drives that I'm now out
of room on.  I want to upgrade it to Ubuntu and I don't want to dump a
ton of money into 4 or 5 drives.  Since the data on it doesn't change
very often (MP3's and family pictures), I have just bought a 250GB
drive and planned on creating one LVM group with it and a 2nd LVM group
with the two 80's.  I was then thinking of having a cron job run every
night that backed up from one LVM group to the other, only copying
files that have changed, been added, or removing ones that no longer
exist.  If I need to extend either LVM group later, it's a non-issue. 
If one of the groups fail, it can be rebuilt from the other.



I know that RAID-5 gives you "instant" redundancy but I don't really
need that with my setup.


-- 
skirkpatrick



From custom at freenet.de  Thu Dec  1 04:32:41 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:32:41 +0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>

Hello DC,

Thursday, December 1, 2005, 8:28:00 AM, you wrote:

DP> I'd like to know how many people have actually replaced Windows
DP> with Ubuntu Linux.

I would do so in a split-second if only it would work with my new
digital camera, and frankly I don't trust it to support any future
hardware I might buy, or software I might need, either.

Oh yes, and I would have to give up video editing. With a new baby
around and loads of video, that's not going to happen. I like the
Kino-effort, but it's no Sony Vegas..

Then, printing just about anything beyond basic text I do on Windows..
It just doesn't come out as good.

And there's the thing that to run Ubuntu and connect to the Internet,
I need to connect it to a Windows laptop with Internet Connection
Sharing turned on..  Ubuntu doesn't work with the built-in modem.

So if it wasn't for Windows, you wouldn't be reading this.

Cheers,
Chanchao





From james at grayonline.id.au  Thu Dec  1 04:41:33 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:41:33 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 15:32, Chanchao wrote:
> Hello DC,
>
> Thursday, December 1, 2005, 8:28:00 AM, you wrote:
>
> DP> I'd like to know how many people have actually replaced Windows
> DP> with Ubuntu Linux.
>
> I would do so in a split-second if only it would work with my new
> digital camera, and frankly I don't trust it to support any future
> hardware I might buy, or software I might need, either.
>
> Oh yes, and I would have to give up video editing. With a new baby
> around and loads of video, that's not going to happen. I like the
> Kino-effort, but it's no Sony Vegas..
>
> Then, printing just about anything beyond basic text I do on Windows..
> It just doesn't come out as good.
>
> And there's the thing that to run Ubuntu and connect to the Internet,
> I need to connect it to a Windows laptop with Internet Connection
> Sharing turned on..  Ubuntu doesn't work with the built-in modem.
>
> So if it wasn't for Windows, you wouldn't be reading this.

Nothing you've mentioned (beyond Kino) is at all the fault of Linux or the 
open source community.  Blame hardware vendors and software writers who 
refuse to release drivers/versions for Linux or release the information 
needed to write an open source driver or open source file reader/writer.  
There's only so much you can achieve from reverse engineering (which is now 
illegal in some parts of the world anyway).

Personally, rather than buying 6-stud-pattern wheels for my car, then 
screaming at Ford coz they don't fit the 5-stud hubs, I buy stuff the 
supports the system I use.  On my car, 5-stud wheels.  On my computers, I buy 
from vendors who support Linux by either releasing binary drivers (NVidia, 
Intel ProWireless et al) or release sufficient info for the open source 
community to write a driver.

Cheers,

James
-- 
BOFH excuse #192:

runaway cat on system.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 04:51:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:51:11 -0500
Subject: evolution antispam not working
References: <1118443522.8494.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><200506101937.28006.ubuntuser@pmbservices.com><d8fbfs$ti9$1@sea.gmane.org><william_nbg.1xnxza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><twowheeler.1xnywm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><btdown.1y6hkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1y6m7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1131461851.8157.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><Darrin.1y6pwr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><evan1221.1z79na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Darrin.1z7iwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1133196089.9698.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Darrin.1z80hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<fct.1zbqrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<evan1221.1zc7fb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Darrin.1zcdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Darrin.1zcety@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <evan1221.1zchly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I don't really know



Sometimes I have autolearn=no, sometimes autolearn=ham and sometimes
autolearn=unavailable

....


-- 
evan1221



From custom at freenet.de  Thu Dec  1 05:01:05 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:05 +0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>

Hello James,

Thursday, December 1, 2005, 11:41:33 AM, you wrote:

JG> Nothing you've mentioned (beyond Kino) is at all the fault of Linux or the
JG> open source community.

Of course it's not their fault.  But who's blaming them for anything
anyway? :-)

JG> Blame hardware vendors and software writers who
JG> refuse to release drivers/versions for Linux or release the information
JG> needed to write an open source driver or open source file reader/writer.

I do!

The result though is that I currently can't ditch Windows.

Cheers,
Chanchao





From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  1 05:03:57 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:03:57 -0600
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <87iru98of5.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<87iru98of5.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051130230357.0f2f12a3@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:51:58 -0500
Sean Sieger <sean.sieger at gmail.com> wrote:

> "DC Parris" <dcparris at matheteuo.org> writes:
> 
>    This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how
> many people
>    have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
>    replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting),
> there's no
>    need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those
> who
>    have completely replaced Windows.
> 
> Never even considered a dual boot -- just replaced it, March 2004.
> 
I dual-booted for a while on my last box but this new one has been pure
Linux (although it has held several other distros before Ubuntu) since
its birth on July 24, 2002. Ubuntu since Warty was fairly new.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From james at grayonline.id.au  Thu Dec  1 05:09:41 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:09:41 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <200512011609.45779.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 16:01, Chanchao wrote:
> Hello James,
>
> Thursday, December 1, 2005, 11:41:33 AM, you wrote:
>
> JG> Nothing you've mentioned (beyond Kino) is at all the fault of Linux or
> the JG> open source community.
>
> Of course it's not their fault.  But who's blaming them for anything
> anyway? :-)
>
> JG> Blame hardware vendors and software writers who
> JG> refuse to release drivers/versions for Linux or release the information
> JG> needed to write an open source driver or open source file
> reader/writer.
>
> I do!
>
> The result though is that I currently can't ditch Windows.

Fair enough :)  To be honesty, we (my wife and I) do all our video editing on 
my wife's WinXP box because of the lack of intuitive tools on Linux.  They 
are coming along, but still not quite there.

I guess I read a tone of sarcasm in your original post and felt obliged to 
speak up.  I guess I need to go home and have a beer...it's been a long, 
tedious and frustrating day in the office.

Peace :)

James
-- 
If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.
		-- Mark Twain
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 05:16:47 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:16:47 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <atoponce.1zcija@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


No, because I purchased the student copy of Mathematica 5 for $149, and
plan on using it until my laptop breaks.  Also, my university is bent
over teaching students how to develop Windows software.  Although Mupad
and other Linux versions are good, nothing compares to Mathematica.  I
do have it dual-boot however, and I am running it on a server as well. 
I do spend 7 hours in Linux to every 1 hour in Windows.


-- 
atoponce



From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 05:34:04 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 05:34:04 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <skirkpatrick.1zcfra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
	<skirkpatrick.1zcfra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <515e525f0511302134h14fc333cmb096c3885de21837@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> How difficult is it to extend a Raid 5?

You don't.

>  Do you always need 5 drives?

You need at least 3 discs (2+P) and RAID-5 does not have a dedicated
parity disc, the parity data is evenly spread across all discs in the
array.

>  I currently have a RH8 server with mirrored 80GB drives that I'm now out
> of room on.  I want to upgrade it to Ubuntu and I don't want to dump a
> ton of money into 4 or 5 drives.  Since the data on it doesn't change
> very often (MP3's and family pictures), I have just bought a 250GB
> drive and planned on creating one LVM group with it and a 2nd LVM group
> with the two 80's.  I was then thinking of having a cron job run every
> night that backed up from one LVM group to the other, only copying
> files that have changed, been added, or removing ones that no longer
> exist.  If I need to extend either LVM group later, it's a non-issue.
> If one of the groups fail, it can be rebuilt from the other.

Sensible approach, you can use 'rsync' for the copy. It can be set up
to do exactly what you are describing.

> I know that RAID-5 gives you "instant" redundancy but I don't really
> need that with my setup.

Most people don't. I will explain why I suggested RAID-5 to the
original poster. The sheer size of the storage required. He needed 1TB
of storage space to serve up. Even with an AIT tapedrive that does
200/400GB per tape, he will have to swap tapes several times. The time
it takes to restore from tape compared to just having to replace a
drive makes it a fairly simple choice.

For a home user, it may be alright to spend a day re-creating the 1TB
filesystem because a disc died, and then spend a day or two restoring
from 3-4 tapes. But sometimes it is worth taking a leaf from the more
advanced SysAdmin's book and go that little further. If using RAID and
a disc dies, there is no downtime while sourcing a replacement (if you
REALLY value your data, then you have hot spares set up) and you can
carry on using the file server and carry on backing it up.

I have been in the position of NOT using RAID on a server, and not
having a proper backup scheme in place. I am sticking that tapedrive
back in as soon as I can... And I am now using RAID-1 and '-o sync' on
the filesystems I really value.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From tshepang at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 05:52:07 2005
From: tshepang at gmail.com (Tshepang Lekhonkhobe)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:52:07 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <857993970511302152j15f68bb4we12ab707780e7170@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Michael Beattie <mtbeedee at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > >From what I read on the lists it seems that Ubuntu's unstable is
> > generally more broken than Debian's, making me feel safer using Sid.
> > Could anyone confirm this.
> > Thanks...
> >
>
> That may be so, but why are you using dapper instead of breezy anyway?

I'm not. I like Debian 'testing' except when it has missing and broken
packages (like it does now) so I switched to Debian 'unstable'. This
is very recent and so far/therefore I haven't experienced much
trouble. I was wondering about an alternative switch to Dapper
'unstable'.

It was also a matter of choice:
I love Ubuntu, but the thought of having updates (bar security) half
yearly was unfavourable; Debian 'testing' is more favourably busy; it
was a choice of Ubuntu 'stable' or Debian 'testing' but that was
diverted to Debian 'unstable' since I'm afraid of Ubuntu 'unstable'.
Also an upgrade to Dapper is far more painful since the 2 projects
divert so much and a fresh install of Breezy is not acceptable, even
though it has GNOME 2.12.



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 06:07:50 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:07:50 -0700
Subject: Contact Management
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70511290607x191b7d83m84749aeb5c8ec272@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511290607x191b7d83m84749aeb5c8ec272@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438E9336.6030209@angrykeyboarder.com>

Charles Yao wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Do you know any contact management software for ubuntu?
> 
> Charles
> 

OpenGroupware has Debian packages. I have no idea if they are
Ubuntu-compatible though.

http://www.opengroupware.org/

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 06:09:58 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:09:58 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10511301601q79073c94k88b22de0fded274@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10511300555k108c6ef1gd02477bb91b2aad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133362333.6295.5.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<fb4429d10511300733w2587a6cdhe9604a32845c3462@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133372353.23807.22.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<fb4429d10511301012y14354ed2x608f508a5f7b488e@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301422x2686f18ek8d2e4224566e1b0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10511301601q79073c94k88b22de0fded274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0511302209h237e9cabo26588f4c3e01212@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I might not have conveyed my original point very well.  Some
> posters are very defensive of raid and may mistakenly believe that I
> was discounting as a potential solution.

I apologise if I came across as overly brusque and defensive. I am
guilty of not conveying my point clearly enough as well.

> All I was really trying to say (somewhat clumsily) was that what a
> raid setup protects you you from that any other solution (LVM, JBOD,
> single disk) combined with regular backups doesn't is downtime in the
> event of a physical disk failure, since you can rebuild the array from
> parity (assuming you have a replacement disk) without having to do a
> complete restore.

RAID protects you from disc failure - not from yourself. ;-) I should
have adviced the original poster to use a hot spare as well, but that
is just me being overcautious and I am not running with a hot spare in
my server so am not the one to give advice on that.

> I just wanted to suggest that for some users, the time it takes to
> restore from backup to get the data back may not be a problem, and
> might be worth the almost mindless simplicity of setting up LVM.

Very true. And most of the time, I would agree with you on this, as an
ordinary user would not have more data than what mould fit on a single
tape (AIT). When you start talking 1TB of storage to the user(s), you
are in a different ballgame though.

> Personally I am a raid user (though not at the moment) and I think
> various raid configuration s have some pretty neat implications.  I
> just wanted add another idea that may be viable in some circumstances.
>  Sorry for any confusion.

No worries, all sides of the problem should be highlighted. You did
that well. :)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ssweeny at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 06:10:37 2005
From: ssweeny at gmail.com (Scott Sweeny)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:10:37 -0500
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
In-Reply-To: <438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>
Message-ID: <f3aa20730511302210w4b0841beq1f754ca80f43c964@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Marek Pawinski <pawinski at ananzi.co.za> wrote:
> Michael Beattie wrote:
> > Whenever I try to import an MP3 into rhythmbox, it always says "The
> > file is not an audio stream"
> >
> > Why does it do that and how to I fix it?

mp3 is technically patent-encumbered, and therefore the Ubuntu folks
can't ship support for it by default.  Check out
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for instructions on how to
enable it.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 06:16:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:16:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <jbrader.1zclba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've replaced windows with Ubuntu on both of my computers.


-- 
jbrader



From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 06:29:12 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:29:12 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Ed Fletcher <ed at fletcher.ca> wrote:

[snip]

> I think that you are better off having the boot drive separate from
> the data drive/array.  Otherwise, you might not be able to boot if a
> drive on the array fails.  If your boot drive is separate, then you
> just replace the failed array drive and wait while it automatically
> rebuilds.

In an ideal situation, the OS should be completely separated from the
data. Different storage arrays, storage controller(s) etc. Ideal is a
HW RAID solution.

However, you can do this on just the five discs. In the installer,
five discs, all 200GB. Partition them all in a 2G/198G partition1/2
pattern. Mirror across the first partition on each disc (five way
mirror, md0) and make that your root filesystem (if you install a
server, 2GB is enough for all the tools, apps etc). RAID-5 across the
198GB partitions on each drive and you have a 996GB md1 device to
create you LVM PV/VG/LVs on. Any one disc fails, you still have four
copies of your OS, and a degraded but working storage array.

If you used 400GB discs, you would only need four of them. Same
principle applies. :)

> The boot drive doesn't have to be a large drive.  Especially if you
> don't load X.  I find that using a command line is good enough on a
> server and I save a lot of space by not using windows.  And almost
> everyone has a small, old drive sitting around that would be great in
> this environment.
>
> And while I'm on the subject of servers, I think that it's worth
> noting that you don't need much of a machine.  I have a raid 5 array
> at home running on a P-Pro 180.  It served up samba, ftp, apache (very
> light load) and I can burn cd's on it.  Never got the load up very
> high.  (Hmm . . . well it's still at home but not running.  The four
> 40 GB disks gave me 120 GB of raid 5.  I now have one 250 GB in an
> external USB case.  Uses a lot less electricity.)  Hmm . . . Another
> good point, get an extra power supply just for the array.  I found
> that I needed a second one in my server.

Power is always going to be the issue when involving lots of discs. It
would be preferable to use SCSI or SATA-2 (can tell the discs to spin
up one by one, easing the load on the PSU). It is worth mentioning
that dual redundant PSU's is a good idea and so is a UPS (make sure it
can run your system under full load for about ten minutes to give time
to shut down properly).

If I had the funds to do things the way I wanted, I'd have a SAN at
home with a FAStT700 storage controller and a blade center for
servers. One can always dream tho. :)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From custom at freenet.de  Thu Dec  1 06:43:16 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:43:16 +0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <200512011609.45779.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<200512011609.45779.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <117206536.20051201134316@freenet.de>

Hello James,

Thursday, December 1, 2005, 12:09:41 PM, you wrote:

>> JG> Blame hardware vendors and software writers who
>> JG> refuse to release drivers/versions for Linux or release the information
>> JG> needed to write an open source driver or open source file
>> reader/writer.
>>
>> I do!
>>
>> The result though is that I currently can't ditch Windows.

JG> Fair enough :)

JG> I guess I read a tone of sarcasm in your original post and felt obliged to
JG> speak up.

Fair enough. :)

Indeed I have somewhat of a love-hate relationship with Ubuntu..  But
on the bright side, that means there's true love there some of the
time, as opposed Windows. :-)

Cheers,
Chanchao





From gcmartin at tsn.cc  Thu Dec  1 06:45:49 2005
From: gcmartin at tsn.cc (Graham Martin)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:45:49 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Yes I don't use Windows at all I have three computers all have 

Warty
Hoary
Breezy
and SimplyMEPIS 3.3 installed
Ubuntu does everything I need such as picture editing
and audio editing and using the NET.
Regards Graham.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 06:46:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:46:50 -0500
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com><438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>
	<f3aa20730511302210w4b0841beq1f754ca80f43c964@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <masingerz.1zcn5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


When you say to install xine and totem xine do you mean the following
files?



xine-ui

totem-xine



thenx


-- 
masingerz



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 07:06:24 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:06:24 +1100
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051201180624.71db907f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:20:10 -0500
Michael Beattie <mtbeedee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Whenever I try to import an MP3 into rhythmbox, it always says "The
> file is not an audio stream"
> 
> Why does it do that and how to I fix it?
> 
> Thanks

You might find reading

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

useful. There is a lot of information there about enabling mp3 and
other formats. Rhythmbox will play mp3 if you install the

gstreamer0.8-mad 

package, for example.

"gstreamer0.8-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for
GStreamer" (it's in the universe repository)

See also:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation    

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From jec at rptec.ch  Thu Dec  1 07:18:58 2005
From: jec at rptec.ch (Jean-Eric Cuendet)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:18:58 +0100
Subject: nForce4 and Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <438E4EFF.7010109@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <4385E81B.4070900@rptec.ch> <438E4EFF.7010109@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <438EA3E2.4010708@rptec.ch>

Yes, I have 2 SATA drives.
I don't use the RAID provided by the chipset, I do Linux software RAID.
The machine runs fine now.
-jec

Scott wrote:
> Jean-Eric Cuendet wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>This mail to tell that my AMD64 machine with nForce4 chipset (ASUS 
>>A8N-E) and SATA disks works beautifully with Ubuntu Breezy.
>>No problems so far, all is recognized (SATA, Sound, USB, Network).
>>Just for archive.
>>Bye.
>>-jec
>>
> 
> 
> Do you have more than one internal hard drive and if so, are they
> configured in any kind or RAID?
> 
> 

-- 
Jean-Eric Cuendet
Riskpro Technologies SA
Av. Louis-Ruchonnet 2, 1003 Lausanne, Switzerland
Web       : http://www.rptec.ch
Direct    : +41 21 637 0123
Principal : +41 21 637 0110
Fax       : +41 21 637 0111
Perso     : http://jesc.ch
--------------------------------------------------------



From pawinski at ananzi.co.za  Thu Dec  1 07:29:37 2005
From: pawinski at ananzi.co.za (Marek Pawinski)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:29:37 +0200
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
In-Reply-To: <masingerz.1zcn5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com><438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>	<f3aa20730511302210w4b0841beq1f754ca80f43c964@mail.gmail.com>
	<masingerz.1zcn5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <438EA661.8020608@ananzi.co.za>

'Forum Post wrote:
> When you say to install xine and totem xine do you mean the following
> files?
> 
> 
> 
> xine-ui
> 
> totem-xine
> 
> 
> 
> thenx
> 
> 

yes but do it like it says in the wiki, my way i just thought up myself 
and works for me.



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 07:46:05 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:46:05 +0100
Subject: Where's the SFTP client?
In-Reply-To: <200512010742.34808.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <bbda83370511292244i5a6a9b75xd5a23e47e6a0cf61@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0511292257m324c3e5fh333b3ec63ec4703@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370511300134q2b30a5dfi42fc99cdfbf6b3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010742.34808.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <bbda83370511302346r2e95ecefl29a3f12274db4162@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> Gnome is great, but I can't go past KDE's simplicity and tight integration
> (but with 2GB RAM in my lappy and desktop, it works *really* well! ;) )

I totally agree with you. I really miss these Konqueror features,
instead of the "ugly" "Connect to server" menu option that creates an
unmodifyable icon on desktop...



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 07:46:55 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:46:55 +0100
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk> <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370511302346w3c65388s546983291eb6662a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
> Hopefully it will be in Breezy Backports within the next 30 days.....

30??? I hope next week!



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 07:54:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:54:30 -0500
Subject: Rhythmbox error when attempting to import file
References: <d4b4435a0511301920mc874cb8y5b22a84c32ce01ab@mail.gmail.com><438E738A.80207@ananzi.co.za>	<f3aa20730511302210w4b0841beq1f754ca80f43c964@mail.gmail.com><masingerz.1zcn5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<438EA661.8020608@ananzi.co.za>
Message-ID: <masingerz.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ok so i went into repository and got gstreamer0.8-mad now what?


-- 
masingerz



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 07:56:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:56:37 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <odin.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm trying to(breezy is great) but there some things I can't do with
ubuntu yet like printing or some firefox problems when I want to view
some sites.For that I have to use windows.I dont play games very often
but I like it some times so back to windows.



Anyway solving the printing problem windows will be history for me.


-- 
odin



From norman at littletank.org  Thu Dec  1 08:17:37 2005
From: norman at littletank.org (Norman Silverstone)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:17:37 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

Yes, on my home desktop.

Norman





From hentaidan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 08:43:08 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:43:08 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512010043r43b4566cx@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/12/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.

100% Ubuntu here.

>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don


--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Thu Dec  1 08:47:13 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:47:13 -0500
Subject: Hyper-Terminal Replacement
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E88D@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
	<1133235647.10405.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <htp263-ltm.ln1@don.localnet>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800, Vram 
  <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
>
> Remember comm1 in the bios
>
> is 
>
>
> ttyS0
>
>
> Make sure that is set correctly
>
>
> If you want comm2 
>
> It is ttyS1
>
He said it was a USB serial adapter.  That would probably be ttyUSB0.



-- 
Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure;
Men love in haste, but they detest at leisure.
		-- George Gordon, Lord Byron, "Don Juan"




From bastill at adam.com.au  Thu Dec  1 09:21:28 2005
From: bastill at adam.com.au (Brian Astill)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:51:28 +1030
Subject: Cursed cursors
Message-ID: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>

At high resolution my cursor is too small to be immediately visible.
I have installed "big-cursor" and "gcursor" but niether KDE nor gcursor can 
find big-cursor and trying to use gcursor to increase cursor size results in 
perpetual  activity without change.

I have added the FontPath in xorg.conf to show big-cursor.  Still no result.

Ideas, anyone?

-- 
Regards,
Brian



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 09:31:12 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:31:12 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <odin.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<odin.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512010131r69b7be1dg5f1b689a236f3c58@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to(breezy is great) but there some things I can't do with
> ubuntu yet like printing or some firefox problems when I want to view
> some sites.For that I have to use windows.I dont play games very often
> but I like it some times so back to windows.
>
> Anyway solving the printing problem windows will be history for me.

No, for some but important reasons:

- photo management. The Image Preview in Windows is one of the
simplest and best tool. The ability of printing automatically more
photos in a page (as you want) is one of the best I ever see, I don't
find it in Linux :(
- game support. In this area Windows is and will be more supported
than Linux. I tried to use cedega, but my favourite games aren't
supported.
- bluetooth support. In Ubuntu Bluetooth is poor.



From agger at bolignet-aarhus.dk  Thu Dec  1 09:15:28 2005
From: agger at bolignet-aarhus.dk (Carsten Agger)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:15:28 +0100
Subject: Different desktop folders for different workspaces?
Message-ID: <dmmevg$b8s$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi,

when I'm working with something that makes me produce or save a lot of
files, especially images, I like to save various intermediate files on
the desktop for easy retrieval and delete or move them when I'm done -
so my desktop may end up looking like this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1411&original=1&c=2

But on the other hand, I'd like not to have to look at these files when
I don't need them. A way to solve this problem would be if each of the
GNOME workspaces had its own Desktop folder (including, possibly, its
own background image as the four workspaces in a default Solaris
installation has).

As it is now, if I drop a file on the desktop in one workspace it will
show up in all of them, and I'd prefer them to behave like separate
desktops.

Is this in any way possible, or is this actually something similar to a
"requirement for new functionality" in GNOME or Ubuntu?

regards and TIA,
Carsten

--
http://www.modspil.dk
- fordi tiden kræver et MODSPIL!




From mutschae at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 09:52:27 2005
From: mutschae at gmail.com (me)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:52:27 +0100
Subject: Getting frustrated with Ubuntu....
In-Reply-To: <438D308B.9060902@grm.net>
References: <v07mo1d2d2p4tcmo0i36nac9rj4g0gcigs@4ax.com>
	<438B60A3.6050002@yahoo.co.uk>
	<hb7no11bgnu2fmuut2tr0hsuukke6uhi0d@4ax.com>
	<438C475A.20907@yahoo.co.uk> <20051129132529.GC2295@die.therning.org>
	<c3297be10511290621t65e4f6cxbc6b8233435b6dcc@mail.gmail.com>
	<438D308B.9060902@grm.net>
Message-ID: <c3297be10512010152k2ee0bb2dhec2b549186488f3b@mail.gmail.com>

>  my biggest complaint about the desktop right now is, that in windows xp I
> have an enormous amount of room.  I have a 19" LCD display driven by a
> GeForce FX 5200 AGP 8x 128mb video card.  This is one of the old LCD
> displays so i have to run it at a max of 1280 x 1024 @ 75hz.  Which gives me
> this wonderfully huge desktop.  EXCEPT in GNOME!!  it Gnome it feels like
> 640x480.  I have no room.  Yet I go to the resolution control panel in gnome
> and it says I'm in 1280 x1024.  I don't get it!.  I hate having no room to
> wokr.

make sure you really use the resolution, as is said: the configuration
of the resolution and refreshrate are things of your X server, your
WindowManager should not have to do anything with it - even if it
sometimes does interfer...

there is a item on your monitor menu (button at the LCD panel), that
displays the info what is reality.
if that does match your selection, maybe you set some accessibility
features or should try another theme.
also try the multiple desktops, they are really fine to organize stuff
and provide space.

if you find out that the resolution displayed is not as you like you
should search the forums on how to configure X or learn it by yourself
:/etc/X11/XF86Config

peace



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Thu Dec  1 09:19:32 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:19:32 +0100
Subject: Firefox bug reporting (breezy)
In-Reply-To: <438B5AED.6040301@ntlworld.com>
References: <438B5AED.6040301@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1133428772.8807.65.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On ma, 2005-11-28 at 19:30 +0000, Toby Kelsey wrote:
> I wanted to report a bug in Firefox and followed the 'online help' menu
> item. This took me to
>   <https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/firefox/+bugs>
> and to report a bug I found I had to register with launchpad.
> 
> Registering and going to the 'Bugs' tab got me to
> <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+assignedbugs> and when I
> tried to start my bug report by clicking on 'open a new bug' I got to
> <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+filebug>
> which said:
> 
>   Page not found
> 
>   There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.

That is a known bug with launchpad, after logging in you can simply go
back to the first url and file the bug there. But firefox is in main, so
this bug should be files at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Thu Dec  1 09:33:10 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:33:10 +0100
Subject: Debian APT sources
In-Reply-To: <da988b050511301238h2dff8831x44314d8df8f409f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da988b050511301238h2dff8831x44314d8df8f409f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133429590.8807.66.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On wo, 2005-11-30 at 17:38 -0300, Marcio Carvalho wrote:
> Is there any problem in adding the Debian oficial stable sources to my
> source.list??? 

Only if you consider wrecking your system a problem.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From warlock at eskimo.com  Thu Dec  1 05:51:11 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:51:11 -0800
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 350
In-Reply-To: <OF7AFEA5E7.85D899D1-ON862570C9.006DD335-862570C9.006DF9F7@notes.sil.org>
References: <OF7AFEA5E7.85D899D1-ON862570C9.006DD335-862570C9.006DF9F7@notes.sil.org>
Message-ID: <1133416271.9680.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 14:03 -0600, Dennis_Drescher at sil.org wrote:
> ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote on 11/30/2005 01:42:01 PM:
> 
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:31:01 +0000
> > From: Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Redhat and Adobe survey
> > To: sounder at lists.ubuntu.com,    Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> >    <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Message-ID: <e50811220511301131o6e5681cfh at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > Redhat and Adobe are having a survery about linux use and the use of
> > some programs, very interesting.
> > http://www.globaltestmarket.com/survey/s.phtml?sn=37336〈=E
> > 
> > Olafur Arason
> 
> I took the survey but it looks like they are not looking for input from 
> diehard Ubuntu users. I answered all the questions honestly but then it 
> told me this:
> 
> "Thank you for participating in this study. Unfortunately, the answers you 
> have provided so far do not make you eligible to complete the survey. 
> However, we appreciate the time you took to participate and look forward 
> to inviting you to participate in a future study!"
> 
> I wonder if I had said I used RedHat if I would have been treated 
> differently?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dennis


I did the survey, which I found *extremely* poorly designed from a UI
and info perspective. Didn't come across a distro question, but a lot of
"how much will you be willing to pay for appfoo?"

Don't think they liked my answers for that though. 
-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Those who live by the sword are shot by those who don't.
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Thu Dec  1 10:06:59 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:06:59 +0100
Subject: Cursed cursors
In-Reply-To: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>
References: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>
Message-ID: <1133431619.20048.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On do, 2005-12-01 at 19:51 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:

> Ideas, anyone? 

Try xcursor-themes
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From babis85 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 10:34:00 2005
From: babis85 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-7?B?zenq7+vc7/Ug1+Hx3Ovh7PDv8g==?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:34:00 +0200
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on a laptop (hotplug problem)
Message-ID: <c38a359b0512010234y577092b6w4330dcae1ac27c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, i tried to install Ubuntu on my laptop , but after finishing the
first stage of installation and reboot the computer, it stopped responding
at the point of hotplug. What i am supposed to do, to solve this problem ?
Thanks.

--
Η τελειότητα επιτυγχάνεται στο σημείο κατάρρευσης!
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec  1 11:02:18 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:02:18 +0100 (CET)
Subject: gizmo project var. gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com><438D84D0.30803@bitspace.org><1133363151.6295.10.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
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> On Thursday 01 December 2005 02:05, David Hart wrote:
>> On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 05:54 -0500, Chris Woods wrote:
>> > Take a look at Jabber (http://jabber.org). If you're just looking for
>> > internal IM and don't need collaboration with people on other IM
>> > networks, Jabber might fit the bill, as you can run a Jabber server
>> > internally.
>>
>> Jabber _does_ interoperate with other IM networks (AIM, MSN, Yahoo ...)
>> if you install and configure the appropriate transports.
>
> Plus, once the transports are configured, you can set permissions on who
> has
> access to external IM networks, or whether file transfers are allowed,
> etc.
>
> As a corporate IM gateway, Jabber is fantastic!
How can you continue so much out-of your own choisen topics?
The topic is "gizmo project"!
Lets get back and help the project out. And why should we?
Because the GizmoProject.com are a purely open-source project and quite
open to free IP-telephone solutions.
The last 3 days you cannot even download the Debian files, which are
usefull to Ubuntu. Help them to structure their homepage to ease the
download, please!

Best regards

Phillip



From mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au  Thu Dec  1 11:20:59 2005
From: mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au (Peter McNab)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:20:59 +1100
Subject: [Fwd: Network card(s) not recognised during install]
Message-ID: <438EDC9B.7020805@melbpc.org.au>

Hi list.

Neither of
Realtek RLT8139C or
??      PRO200WL cards are recognized by nightly of 14th Nov 05 during 
install from iso image.
Where do I find a list of network cards that ubuntu supports and will 
continue to support?

Peter






From bastill at adam.com.au  Thu Dec  1 11:28:38 2005
From: bastill at adam.com.au (Brian Astill)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:58:38 +1030
Subject: Cursed cursors
In-Reply-To: <1133431619.20048.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>
	<1133431619.20048.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <200512012158.38649.bastill@adam.com.au>

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36 pm, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On do, 2005-12-01 at 19:51 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
> > Ideas, anyone?
>
> Try xcursor-themes

Been there - done that!  :-)   Already installed.
I _think_ xcursor is only the standard cursors and doesn't include anything 
larger.  I _could_ be wrong.

-- 
Regards,
Brian



From info at bolzo.it  Thu Dec  1 11:36:02 2005
From: info at bolzo.it (frank)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:36:02 +0100
Subject: Icons Bar
In-Reply-To: <op.s02mwvaphtbfwg@developer>
References: <op.s02mwvaphtbfwg@developer>
Message-ID: <1133436962.9104.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On mer, 2005-11-30 at 17:53 -0300, Keuller wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I am a doubt, is there some kind of software thats are similar to  
> Karamba's project (http://karamba.sourceforge.net/) for Ubuntu ?
> 
Try gdesklets. They are in repository.

Cheers





From marius at pov.lt  Thu Dec  1 11:37:38 2005
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:37:38 +0200
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <20051201113738.GA2834@fridge.pov.lt>

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 08:28:00PM -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

I have.

I wiped the Windows partition on my laptop on the day I bought it
('cause Warty's installer didn't support NTFS resizing).

Previously I used dual-boot machines, but hardly ever booted into
Windows.

Marius Gedminas
-- 
Linux don't need no steenkin' viruses. The users can destroy the
system all by themselves....
		-- Peter Dalgaard in comp.os.linux.misc
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From gorgonzola at netspace.net.au  Thu Dec  1 11:37:43 2005
From: gorgonzola at netspace.net.au (Gorgonzola)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:37:43 +1100
Subject: Getting frustrated with Ubuntu....
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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Thu Dec  1 11:39:59 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:39:59 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512010131r69b7be1dg5f1b689a236f3c58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 10:31 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:

> No, for some but important reasons:
> 
> - photo management. The Image Preview in Windows is one of the
> simplest and best tool. The ability of printing automatically more
> photos in a page (as you want) is one of the best I ever see, I don't
> find it in Linux :(

How about gThumb image viewer?

Neil
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From zunbeltz at wm.lc.ehu.es  Thu Dec  1 11:52:28 2005
From: zunbeltz at wm.lc.ehu.es (Zunbeltz Izaola)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:52:28 +0100
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on a laptop (hotplug problem)
In-Reply-To: <c38a359b0512010234y577092b6w4330dcae1ac27c4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c38a359b0512010234y577092b6w4330dcae1ac27c4c@mail.gmail.com>
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Jatorrizko mezua: data: og., 2005-12-01 12:34 +0200, egilea: Νικολάου
Χαράλαμπος
> Hello, i tried to install Ubuntu on my laptop , but after finishing
> the first stage of installation and reboot the computer, it stopped
> responding 
> at the point of hotplug. What i am supposed to do, to solve this
> problem ?


What laptop do you have. See here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam if your laptop is listed and 
if there is problem for the tester.

regards,

Zunbeltz


> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Η τελειότητα επιτυγχάνεται στο σημείο κατάρρευσης!
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec  1 11:54:30 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:54:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20881.213.237.42.134.1133438070.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> Has anyone been able to use the gizmo project on ubuntu? any comments on
> it?
> im trying to look for a good im client for our office. we are curently
> using
> both linux and macs.
I have got the Gizmoproject.com to work on one laptop - and there i works
fine very fine. They have serious problems now - not when the installation
IS carried through, but simply their capability to make a userfreindly
installation on different computers. But -as mentioned- I think we should
help them organize it!


They have thought it was my local problem that I could not get it
installed, but I tried on different computers with the same result - maybe
the same conflicts (mails below).

Now they got even more problems on their homepage.

Best regards

Phillip

Former mails:
> If it is an app that you started from the console, depending on whether
> your
> system is configured to create core files, a core file will appear in the
> directory from which the app was run (at least that is default on most
> systems).. in the case of gizmo you could get the backtrace then do the
> following:
>
> gdb gizmo core.????
>
> Then in gdb type "bt" to get the backtrace. I suggest you read the gdb man
> page.
>
> For system seg faults or kernel seg faults you'll just have to read up on
> the subject.. generally if the kernel is crashing the system, it is
> possible
> to have it drop core.. then reboot an anyzlize it to determine where the
> problem is.  From the sound of it, this will require some serious reading
> on
> your part.
Thank you - I'll try this soon!
Do you know where in the Linux-system I can find such setup - in the
/usr/?? in the /opt/??, in  the /dev/?? or where??????

(Because I run a parallel setup of Ubuntu wherefrom I have copied sections
with success, eg etc/X11 when I had problems with my X-setup).

Whenever I get the Gixmoproject to work I'll deny the impression people
may have got from this thread through one or two positive Emails. Could
you please ease the Linux-section or make an install documentation to the
Linux-download page? - several who do not know the project gave up as they
did not guess that the bonsjour part was needed!

Best regards

Phillip

>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas are most wellcome!
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >>
>> >> Phillip
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hope this helps,
>> >> > Roland Krikava
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Prasad Mahendra" <prasad.mahendra at sipphone.com>
>> >> > To: <rkrikava at sipphone.com>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:39 PM
>> >> > Subject: Fw: Solutions for Gizmo-Debian
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > roland?
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Phillip Sc. Boegh" <psb at ipl.dtu.dk>
>> >> > To: <DebugLog at gizmoproject.com>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:50 AM
>> >> > Subject: Solutions for Gizmo-Debian
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Gizmoproject
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I like to widespread the Gizmoproject to our members, but need to
>> >> >> translate a well-working installation-procedure. And I yet 4
> problems
>> >> -
>> >> >> even 2 are now solved:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Gizmoproject depends on libsipphoneapi
>> >> >> 2. Libsipphoneapi is not in the repositories but can be found
>> >> >> downloadable.
>> >> >> 3. Gizmo-project installed but still depends on libdns_sd.so
>> >> >> 4. Audiowrapper is not in the repositories even a .jar version is
>> >> >> available.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Gizmoproject depends on libsipphoneapi (later on libdns_sd.so).
>> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i /home/phillipny/Desktop/gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-
>> >> >> 1_i386.deb
>> >> >> Password:
>> >> >> Vælger tidligere fravalgt pakke gizmo-project.
>> >> >> (Læser database... 121780 filer og mapper aktuelt installeret.)
>> >> >> Unpack gizmo-project (fra
>> .../gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb)...
>> >> >> dpkg: dependency problems with Libsipphoneapi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2. Libsipphoneapi is not in the repositories but I recommend that
> you
>> >> >> write that is needed for Debian and CAN be downloaded as:
>> >> >> libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb
>> >> >> from your: http://gizmoproject.com/jasmine/
>> >> >>                  After installing this problem occur:
>> >> >> 3. Gizmo-project installed but still depends on libdns_sd.so
>> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i
>> > /home/phillipny/Desktop/gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> Unpack the gizmo-project (fra
>> >> .../gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb)...
>> >> >> Set up the gizmo-project (0.8.0.12-1) op...
>> >> >> phillipny at ubuntu:~$ gizmo
>> >> >> gizmo: error while loading shared libraries: libdns_sd.so: cannot
>> >> open
>> >> >> shared object file: No such file or directory
>> >> >> Gizmo-project still depends on libdns_sd.so that is unreachable
>> from
>> >> >> Houl,
>> >> >> Apple or .. All closed projects or exist as mDNSResponder, that
>> may
>> >> not
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> directly usefull as gizmo may not recognize it.
>> >> >> (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/bonjour/index.html).
>> >> >> that may be solved as the avahi/flexmdns in:
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://lists.porchdogsoft.com/pipermail/howl-users/Week-of-Mon-20050411.txt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4. No dependency of audiowrapper is reported and audiowrapper is
>> not
>> >> in
>> >> >> the repositories even a .jar version is available to download.
>> >> >> For a bug-report you recommend us to get output from:
>> >> >> audiowrapper --oss-native gizmo
>> >> >> , which is therefore not possible.
>> >> >> No installation documentation is available to get Audiowrapper
>> >> running.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have worked a lot to get this solved so far, so please send me a
>> >> >> direct
>> >> >> mail!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (The debian I use is Ubuntu breezy)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Phillip Bøgh
>> >> >> F/ http://SSLUG.dk
>> >> >> (4.500 members)
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 11:50:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:50:34 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com><515e525f0511292148t2509a5eeu4859c139edb3e4ad@mail.gmail.com><34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com><515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com><34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com><438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com><515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com><438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
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Thanks, Anders for confirming what I thought I knew ;)



I'm going to put the OS on a separate, old 8GB drive I have.  The only
thing I haven't decided on is whether to mirror that with another old
8GB drive or just backup a few select directories to make it easier to
rebuild if it goes bad.


-- 
skirkpatrick



From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:01:05 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:05 +0000
Subject: libgcc_s.a missing
Message-ID: <515e525f0512010401u3d2a1870hcc8ebbb3570ba083@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I am trying to compile a static binary, and I keep getting an error:

user at host:~/src$ gcc-4.0 -g -W -Wall -Wl,-static -L/lib -L/usr/lib
-lcurl -lpthread curl_02.c
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Same happens with gcc-3.4 if I try that. If I follow suggestions to
make libgcc_s.a a symlink to libgcc.a or libgcc_eh.a - I get
unresolved symbols in libcurl and libpthread.

Any ideas anyone?

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From joelbryanster at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:02:28 2005
From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (Joel Juliano)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:02:28 -0800
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
Message-ID: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>

GNOME 2.12.2 is out, nice work! so may new improvements, features and
bugfixes!

When will we see it in Ubuntu?
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From mutschae at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:06:21 2005
From: mutschae at gmail.com (me)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:06:21 +0100
Subject: Getting frustrated with Ubuntu....
In-Reply-To: <438EE087.40607@netspace.net.au>
References: <v07mo1d2d2p4tcmo0i36nac9rj4g0gcigs@4ax.com>
	<438B60A3.6050002@yahoo.co.uk>
	<hb7no11bgnu2fmuut2tr0hsuukke6uhi0d@4ax.com>
	<438C475A.20907@yahoo.co.uk> <20051129132529.GC2295@die.therning.org>
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>  If the 'problem' that you are having is the same as I've described above
> (rather than a resolution setting issue) then I hope someone can help you
> out with some Gnome tweaks, because I'd love to see them!
try a theme that is actualy lighter. i prefer a theme that uses no
border pixel and just 10px as title, still i sometimes wish i had a
third panel :)

but thats personal taste...

you can even create a theme that fits your needs and post it to the community

peace
m



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:10:40 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:10:40 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1133437199.10122.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<odin.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<1133437199.10122.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On 12/1/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
> > - photo management. The Image Preview in Windows is one of the
> > simplest and best tool. The ability of printing automatically more
> > photos in a page (as you want) is one of the best I ever see, I don't
> > find it in Linux :(
>
> How about gThumb image viewer?

I'll see. Does gThumb have that printing ability (2, 3 photos per page
with automatic resize)?



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:11:05 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:11:05 +0100
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512010411r65ff0ab4h41fccb629c9bc48a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Joel Juliano <joelbryanster at gmail.com> wrote:
> GNOME 2.12.2 is out, nice work! so may new improvements, features and
> bugfixes!
>
> When will we see it in Ubuntu?

In Ubuntu it's GNOME 2.12.1 or 2.12 ?



From ogra at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  1 12:11:25 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:11:25 +0100
Subject: Where's the SFTP client?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370511302346r2e95ecefl29a3f12274db4162@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370511292244i5a6a9b75xd5a23e47e6a0cf61@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0511292257m324c3e5fh333b3ec63ec4703@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370511300134q2b30a5dfi42fc99cdfbf6b3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010742.34808.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<bbda83370511302346r2e95ecefl29a3f12274db4162@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133439086.11838.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
On Do, 2005-12-01 at 08:46 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 11/30/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> > Gnome is great, but I can't go past KDE's simplicity and tight integration
> > (but with 2GB RAM in my lappy and desktop, it works *really* well! ;) )
> 
> I totally agree with you. I really miss these Konqueror features,
> instead of the "ugly" "Connect to server" menu option that creates an
> unmodifyable icon on desktop...
> 
click on your empty desktop (or switch on the addressbar in nautilus),
type sftp://yourusername at yourserver/folder/that/you/want/ et voila....
its not different at all....

ciao
	oli
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 12:04:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:04:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <penguinman007.1zd1za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I downloaded the MySql package and there is no mysql link in my programs
group.



Wait a second, there is no programs group.



so how do I run MySQL ?



it's in /etc/mysql/  



Click on the script "executable text file" and nothing happens.



Great.


-- 
penguinman007



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Thu Dec  1 12:22:58 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:22:58 +0100
Subject: Cursed cursors
In-Reply-To: <200512012158.38649.bastill@adam.com.au>
References: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>
	<1133431619.20048.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<200512012158.38649.bastill@adam.com.au>
Message-ID: <1133439778.20048.8.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On do, 2005-12-01 at 21:58 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36 pm, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> > On do, 2005-12-01 at 19:51 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Try xcursor-themes
> 
> Been there - done that!  :-)   Already installed.
> I _think_ xcursor is only the standard cursors and doesn't include anything 
> larger.  I _could_ be wrong.

I installed that package yesterday, and it has nice big cursors...
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  1 12:24:08 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:24:08 +0100
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512010411r65ff0ab4h41fccb629c9bc48a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512010411r65ff0ab4h41fccb629c9bc48a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133439849.12508.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi everybody,

On Do, 2005-12-01 at 13:11 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/1/05, Joel Juliano <joelbryanster at gmail.com> wrote:
> > GNOME 2.12.2 is out, nice work! so may new improvements, features and
> > bugfixes!
> >
> > When will we see it in Ubuntu?

It won't come through breezy-updates. This get discussed every half a
year and we always decided, that to maintain the unstable GNOME branch
in the Ubuntu development version and the stable branch of GNOME in the
stable Ubuntu version (2.13.x-branch in Dapper and 2.12.x-branch in
Breezy) is just too much work. 

Why?

      * every upload has to get it right in the first shot, else
        breezy-updates are broken.
      * sometimes stuff has to be rebuilt to depend on a new library
        version.
      * "GNOME" is 50-60 source packages, which need not only packaging,
        but adjusting with the patches we have.

So I daresay, this won't hit the stable branch, sorry.


> In Ubuntu it's GNOME 2.12.1 or 2.12 ?

It's 2.12.1.

Have a nice day,
 Daniel

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From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:27:58 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:27:58 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Anders for confirming what I thought I knew ;)

*grin* I guess there is something good coming from having worked in
storage for a few years. :)

> I'm going to put the OS on a separate, old 8GB drive I have.  The only
> thing I haven't decided on is whether to mirror that with another old
> 8GB drive or just backup a few select directories to make it easier to
> rebuild if it goes bad.

If you can, do both. Belts and braces approach is handy if you rely on
the system.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From cogyfarm at grm.net  Thu Dec  1 12:37:11 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:37:11 -0600
Subject: Cursed cursors
In-Reply-To: <200512012158.38649.bastill@adam.com.au>
References: <200512011951.28915.bastill@adam.com.au>	<1133431619.20048.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<200512012158.38649.bastill@adam.com.au>
Message-ID: <438EEE77.1070906@grm.net>

Brian Astill wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36 pm, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
>  
>
>>On do, 2005-12-01 at 19:51 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Ideas, anyone?
>>>      
>>>
>>Try xcursor-themes
>>    
>>
>
>Been there - done that!  :-)   Already installed.
>I _think_ xcursor is only the standard cursors and doesn't include anything 
>larger.  I _could_ be wrong.
>
>  
>
larger?  I'm trying to find something smaller!  I have 1/2 the amount of 
space I would have in windows :(



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:46:05 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:46:05 +0100
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <1133439849.12508.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512010411r65ff0ab4h41fccb629c9bc48a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133439849.12508.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512010446j7d30ff9dy73b4f0c5d3b2118e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Daniel Holbach <daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> So I daresay, this won't hit the stable branch, sorry.

you mean NEVER, right?


if yes.. .:-(



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 12:47:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:47:40 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <mhancoc7.1zd3ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes and No.



I have completely switched to Ubuntu Breezy (Xubuntu). I do however use
win4lin to run Windoze98se. I only use it to occasionally run a program
that I find that will only work in Windoze and to check my websites in
IE. I have also played around with CrossOver Office and Wine.



The more I use Ubuntu the less I think like a Windoze user. When I use
my wife's laptop I quickly remember why I made the switch.



I started using Linux about two years ago now. I have been completely
switched over to Ubuntu for about 6 months.



God Bless, Jereme


-- 
mhancoc7



From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  1 13:00:41 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:00:41 +0100
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512010446j7d30ff9dy73b4f0c5d3b2118e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512010411r65ff0ab4h41fccb629c9bc48a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133439849.12508.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512010446j7d30ff9dy73b4f0c5d3b2118e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133442041.12508.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Luca,

On Do, 2005-12-01 at 13:46 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/1/05, Daniel Holbach <daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > So I daresay, this won't hit the stable branch, sorry.
> 
> you mean NEVER, right?
> 
> 
> if yes.. .:-(

I don't quite understand. In Dapper (which our efforts are going into)
is focusing on 2.13.x which will become 2.14.x.

Breezy will stay on 2.12.1 apart from security fixes and really really
really important stuff. "GNOME 2.12.2" does not belong to that category.

Sorry, have a nice day,
 Daniel

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From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:01:21 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:01:21 +0900
Subject: how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
Message-ID: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>

how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?



From chris at bitspace.org  Thu Dec  1 13:39:35 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:39:35 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <438EFD17.3050301@bitspace.org>

I used linux long before I used windows or dos... so in my case the 
reverse question "Has Windows replaced Linux on your box?" might apply, 
to which I would happily answer "No, it hasn't!"

Cheers,
Chris

-- 
 Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods




From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Thu Dec  1 13:50:21 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:50:21 -0500
Subject: how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438EFF9D.5070206@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

Jeff Co wrote:

>how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
>
>  
>
You can't.  Gnome is a requirement for Ubuntu-Desktop.

No worries though... Ubuntu-Desktop is just a package to gather up all 
the other wonderful things that Ubuntu has chosen to go into their 
desktop package.

Removing Ubuntu Desktop doesn't actually remove anything other than a 
placeholder.

Mike K.



From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Thu Dec  1 13:54:54 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:54:54 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

DC Parris wrote:

>This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
>have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
>replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
>need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
>have completely replaced Windows.
>
>Thanks in advance for your time.
>Don
>  
>
I've replaced Windows on many systems.

My brother's internet browser machine has been replaced.

A friend of mine's son's system is now replaced by Ubuntu too.

My wife's desktop has been replaced by Ubuntu as well.

In short... Yep, I've done just that!

Also, why is it your are not interested in those who dual boot?  The 
only reason I dual boot is for one proprietary app that I must use fow 
work purposes.

Mike K.



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 14:01:42 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:01:42 -0700
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>

Joel Juliano wrote:
> GNOME 2.12.2 is out, nice work! so may new improvements, features and
> bugfixes!

I've clicked all over www.gnome.org for 2.12.2 release notes and have
come up empty.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au  Thu Dec  1 14:04:16 2005
From: mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au (Peter McNab)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:04:16 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>

MrKnisely wrote:

> I've replaced Windows on many systems.
>
>
I'm trying to but ubuntu does not recognize either (not too ancient) PCI 
network card and the online FAQs don't appear to address that aspect.

Its looking like one needs to revert to XP just to run a browser and 
Subversion repository.

Peter




From nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  1 14:04:24 2005
From: nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:04:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512010803140.881-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>


> On 12/1/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
> > This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> > have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> > replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> > need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> > have completely replaced Windows.
> 3x over
> Once on my home Desktop and also on my Work Laptop Plus my home server :-)
> 
>

When I had Redhat I used dual boot but now that I have Ubuntu,
I got rid of Windows completely.  There's nothing I did on
Windows that I can't do with Ubuntu.  I love it.

Kind regards,
Nancy
 

-- 
Nancy Rudins    nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nrudins/

Take a sad song and make it better.  (lennon/mccartney)





From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec  1 14:05:47 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:05:47 -0700
Subject: Icons Bar
In-Reply-To: <op.s02mwvaphtbfwg@developer>
References: <op.s02mwvaphtbfwg@developer>
Message-ID: <438F033B.4030202@angrykeyboarder.com>

Keuller wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I am a doubt, is there some kind of software thats are similar to  
> Karamba's project (http://karamba.sourceforge.net/) for Ubuntu ?
> 
> I would like transform my menu bar in the icon bar, similar to MAC/OS  
> icon's bar.
> 
> If anybody can help me I am thankful.

As has been mentioned, gDesklests is the closet thing gnome has to
(super)karamba.  However, I don't like what's been done in gDesklets for
   launchbars. So, I just play around with the settings in gnome-panel
and make my own..

Note: The icons don't "grow" as you run the mouse over them, however.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/24391353/

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:11:13 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:11:13 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <mhancoc7.1zd3ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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'Forum Post wrote:
> Yes and No.
>
>
>
> I have completely switched to Ubuntu Breezy (Xubuntu). I do however use
> win4lin to run Windoze98se. I only use it to occasionally run a program
> that I find that will only work in Windoze and to check my websites in
> IE. I have also played around with CrossOver Office and Wine.
>
>
>
> The more I use Ubuntu the less I think like a Windoze user. When I use
> my wife's laptop I quickly remember why I made the switch.
>
>
>
> I started using Linux about two years ago now. I have been completely
> switched over to Ubuntu for about 6 months.
>
>
>
> God Bless, Jereme

Sounds like me! I use Ubuntu 99% of the time (at home). I occasionally 
go into VMware XP to run things that I can't on Linux (Visio & Autocad). 
1% of the time I actually boot into XP in order to use my remote control 
on my tv card (for when I'm not sitting right in front of my computer). 
But all the rest of the time UBUNTU, and I agree, when I HAVE to use 
windows (like at work), I miss it and can't wait to get home to boot!

I too started using Linux about 2 years ago (Jan. 2004). Started with 
Red Hat, then moved to Fedora, then to Ubuntu last summer. Also used 
Xandros and Novell Desktop for a while (got free CD's from LinuxWorld 
conference), but did not like them as much. Ubuntu is really sweet. :-)

Peace.

-Steve.

-- 
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Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec  1 14:06:25 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:06:25 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<406163-rr9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<438E3A46.1010609@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <2kc363-7nk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Scott wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> 
>> I always had the same problems, intermittently, with Sid - the unstable
>> branches will have periods where they're not internally consistent, but
>> they're not usually a big deal as long as you don't just blithely use
>> "dist-upgrade" without checking for consequences.
> 
> I gave etch a try a few weeks back which was missing scads-o-packages.
> I found said packages in Sid.  So, I was using packages from both.  It
> became dependency hell (even with pinning).
> 
> From my personal experience, I've found that Ubuntu has some packages I
> like/want that Debian doesn't and Debian has some packages I like/want
> that Ubuntu doesn't.
> 
> It's a no-win situation.

otoh, I'd call that a win-win situation.  I run Ubuntu Dapper (for the
latest KDE) but pin Debian unstable for Tomcat and related packages, and
Debian Experimental for Mambo.

Generally I find pinning to _create_ dependency hell, and restrict it to
permitting only specifically named packages.

I can run Dapper to get the latest of just about everything, and anything
else is available _somewhere_.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec  1 13:59:32 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:59:32 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> Michael Beattie wrote:
>> That may be so, but why are you using dapper instead of breezy anyway?
> 
>     More important questions are:
> 
> a: why is he crossposting what looks to be a troll to both mailing lists
> and...
> 
> b: why are people replying to what looks like a troll to both mailing
> lists?  :)

Why is a legitimate question a troll?  Sid & Dapper _are_ both routinely
"testy" (I prefer not to say "broken" - it's not as if it shouldn't be
expected).  Asking which is less broken may be naive but there's no reason
to assume it's malicious.  And asking of only _one_ of these groups would
be sure to get a biased response.
-- 
derek




From carlton.noles at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:30:50 2005
From: carlton.noles at gmail.com (Carlton Noles)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:30:50 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
	<438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>
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Not yet but I am working on it. I don't have networking yet. My goal is to
get Ubuntu working then eventually completely convert my box . Until I get
the networking sorted out though that is not even a remote possibility.
Yes most universities to push Windows development because it is heavily
subsidized by M$ and many businesses that use it or stand to benefit through
teaching it.

On 12/1/05, Peter McNab <mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> MrKnisely wrote:
>
> > I've replaced Windows on many systems.
> >
> >
> I'm trying to but ubuntu does not recognize either (not too ancient) PCI
> network card and the online FAQs don't appear to address that aspect.
>
> Its looking like one needs to revert to XP just to run a browser and
> Subversion repository.
>
> Peter
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:31:46 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:31:46 -0500
Subject: Removing tg3 and using bcm5700 instead in Breezy
In-Reply-To: <khartig.1zc5km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <3dde113c0509161101f9df633@mail.gmail.com>
	<khartig.1zc5km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On 11/30/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> Did you ever get this working?
>
>
>
> I am at the same point you are at the moment.
>

Kevin,

No, I never got it working.  I blacklisted tg3 to no effect.

Now, to use the Cisco VPN software, I have to manually sudo rmmod tg3 and
bcm5700 and then modprobe bcm5700.

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From tholmes at mcaschool.net  Thu Dec  1 14:34:45 2005
From: tholmes at mcaschool.net (Timothy A. Holmes)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:34:45 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E8B8@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>

>From what ive seen, its ok, but it don't hold a candle to the windows
preview filmstrip tool


Timothy A. Holmes
IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher
 
Medina Christian Academy
A Higher Standard...
 
Jeremiah 33:3
Jeremiah 29:11
Esther 4:14

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of neil woolford
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:40 AM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> 
> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 10:31 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> 
> > No, for some but important reasons:
> >
> > - photo management. The Image Preview in Windows is one of the
> > simplest and best tool. The ability of printing automatically more
> > photos in a page (as you want) is one of the best I ever see, I
don't
> > find it in Linux :(
> 
> How about gThumb image viewer?
> 
> Neil




From emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:36:23 2005
From: emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com (Emmanuele Salvati)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:36:23 -0500
Subject: gizmo project var. gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<438D84D0.30803@bitspace.org>
	<1133363151.6295.10.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <fb0833c0512010636q3bcd2afdv@mail.gmail.com>

The topic is "gizmo project"!

> Lets get back and help the project out. And why should we?
> Because the GizmoProject.com are a purely open-source project and quite
> open to free IP-telephone solutions.


hello,
do you think they will ever be able to build Gizmo for Linux-PPC ?
on their forums, somebody asked them, and they said they would have looked
into it... but then no more news.


cheers,
              emmanuele




The last 3 days you cannot even download the Debian files, which are
> usefull to Ubuntu. Help them to structure their homepage to ease the
> download, please!
>
> Best regards
>
> Phillip
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From alain.muls at telenet.be  Thu Dec  1 14:35:29 2005
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (alain.muls at telenet.be)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:35:29 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <W4716715317160691133447729@hoboe1bl6.telenet-ops.be>

Hi,

I use Linux exclusively since SuSE 5.3 came out (that was last century!). 
Though it could be sometimes tough, I liked the improvemenst Linux made at every release of SuSE. The disavantage of SuSE was that so many unnecessary services are started.

When hoary came out, I first scanned this list for comments, success stories, etc for about 6 weeks and decided to give Ubuntu a try after testing out the LiveCD. The LiveCD recognised all my hardware: I had sound (N/A in SuSE), it made my WIFI card work (N/A in SuSE), so the day after these tests, I switched to Ubuntu and installed also the kde-ubuntu package. That I did regret because too much KDE stuff I do not use was installed. So I reinstalled Ubuntu and only selected the packages I want from KDE, eg. Kile for which there is no Gnome equivalent. I am very pleased with Ubuntu and even tried to contribute financially, since I always bought the SuSE CDs. But I could not get the paypal activated using firefox, so if there is another way to contribute a small donation, just let me know.

I also like very much the regular upgrade, I had no major problem upgrading to breezy and hope it will work similarly for dapper. 

At home I have some old PCs for the kids, they run XUbuntu. No glitter Windows games, but even under windows, those boxes are unable to play games. I just leave them with the PC and it remains stable. My son says that OpenOffice is the same as Word for which he gets courses at school.

So thanks very much Mr Shuttleworth and the Ubuntu team ...






From jvryan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:44:02 2005
From: jvryan at gmail.com (John Ryan)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:44:02 +0000
Subject: Problems printing over a network
In-Reply-To: <sas13.1zby5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <c005d9f10511180825i640f9cbciac0d567833f2bc98@mail.gmail.com>
	<sas13.1zby5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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>
>
> I did:
> System -> Adminsitration -> printers
> and then
> New Printer -> Network Printer
>
> and then selected "HP Jetdirect" as I am using an HP printer.
>
> entered printer IP address, and verified that default port was correct
> (9100)
>
> when it asks for a driver, I got mine from http://www.linuxprinting.org
>
> Thanks.
I did just that, and now its working
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From monotux at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 14:44:53 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:44:53 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <20051201154453.b3c0cda8.monotux@gmail.com>

I think arch linux replaced windows on my main computer a year ago or so.
But Ubuntu has replaced arch, and I'm not looking back... :)

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:28:00 -0500 (EST)
"DC Parris" <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:

> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don
> -- 
> DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate
> http://matheteuo.org/
> "Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"
> 
> 
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From rick at rickandpatty.com  Thu Dec  1 14:22:50 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:22:50 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <1133446971.31407.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 20:28 -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux. 

Indirectly. It replaced Fedora Core 3 (which replaced XP Pro) on this
laptop.

Incidentally, Ubuntu Breezy is more friendly to this laptop (JVC
MP-Xv841) than either Windows XP or Fedora Core 3.  Windows didn't
handle hibernation properly - about half the time windows explorer would
just crash on resume.  Fedora Core 3 would lose 3D after a hibernation
cycle - and that's after having to download and compile a custom kernel
just to get hibernation working in the first place.

I just wish Ubuntu handled switching from a wired network with DHCP to a
wireless network with static IPs (no that's not backwards) as gracefully
as FC3 did. (fixed with some tinkering about
with /etc/network/interfaces and a shell script bound to the wireless
kill switch)

Oh, and that ghemical didn't segfault as soon as you try to add an atom.
(fixed by compiling and installing via checkinstall the latest version
of ghemical)

Oh, and that hal didn't automatically unmount my compact flash cards as
soon as they are inserted and mounted (fixed by disabling
the /etc/dev.d/block/hal-unmount.dev script)

Oh, and that printing to my Samsung ML-1430 printer worked properly
(fixed by overwriting
Breezy's /usr/share/ppd/Samsung/Samsung-ML-1430-gdi.ppd.gz file with a
non-broken one from Fedora Core 3 before setting up the printer)

Overall, though, not *too* bad.  I wouldn't have even needed a compiler
if not for that #%$* ghemical bug. :)

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From lord_of_ring_007 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 14:55:39 2005
From: lord_of_ring_007 at yahoo.com (Nathan Conlon)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:55:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <E1EhpCM-0008Vi-Cc@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <20051201145539.59571.qmail@web51712.mail.yahoo.com>

I haven't yet (unfortinatly) Because of two things STEAm and Guild Wars.. still dual-booting


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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec  1 14:56:11 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:56:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: gizmo project var. gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <fb0833c0512010636q3bcd2afdv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com><438D84D0.30803@bitspace.org><1133363151.6295.10.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org><200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au><20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
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> The topic is "gizmo project"!
>
>> Lets get back and help the project out. And why should we?
>> Because the GizmoProject.com are a purely open-source project and quite
>> open to free IP-telephone solutions.
>
>
> hello,
> do you think they will ever be able to build Gizmo for Linux-PPC ?
> on their forums, somebody asked them, and they said they would have looked
> into it... but then no more news.
To their excuse is that the project is quite young, the Linux-users are
miniority and Linux PowerPC users are even more. And today they have added
more distributions to download and it now function well again - (but not
more easy).
I have here send a copy for themselves so they have a change to talk for
themselves.

Regards

Phillip



>
> The last 3 days you cannot even download the Debian files, which are
>> usefull to Ubuntu. Help them to structure their homepage to ease the
>> download, please!
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Phillip
>>
>> Has anyone been able to use the gizmo project on ubuntu? any comments on
>> it?
>> im trying to look for a good im client for our office. we are curently
>> using
>> both linux and macs.
> I have got the Gizmoproject.com to work on one laptop - and there i works
> fine very fine. They have serious problems now - not when the installation
> IS carried through, but simply their capability to make a userfreindly
> installation on different computers. But -as mentioned- I think we should
> help them organize it!
>
>
> They have thought it was my local problem that I could not get it
> installed, but I tried on different computers with the same result - maybe
> the same conflicts (mails below).
>
> Now they got even more problems on their homepage.
>
> Best regards
>
> Phillip
>
> Former mails:
>> If it is an app that you started from the console, depending on whether
>> your
>> system is configured to create core files, a core file will appear in
>> the
>> directory from which the app was run (at least that is default on most
>> systems).. in the case of gizmo you could get the backtrace then do the
>> following:
>>
>> gdb gizmo core.????
>>
>> Then in gdb type "bt" to get the backtrace. I suggest you read the gdb
>> man
>> page.
>>
>> For system seg faults or kernel seg faults you'll just have to read up
>> on
>> the subject.. generally if the kernel is crashing the system, it is
>> possible
>> to have it drop core.. then reboot an anyzlize it to determine where the
>> problem is.  From the sound of it, this will require some serious
>> reading
>> on
>> your part.
> Thank you - I'll try this soon!
> Do you know where in the Linux-system I can find such setup - in the
> /usr/?? in the /opt/??, in  the /dev/?? or where??????
>
> (Because I run a parallel setup of Ubuntu wherefrom I have copied sections
> with success, eg etc/X11 when I had problems with my X-setup).
>
> Whenever I get the Gixmoproject to work I'll deny the impression people
> may have got from this thread through one or two positive Emails. Could
> you please ease the Linux-section or make an install documentation to the
> Linux-download page? - several who do not know the project gave up as they
> did not guess that the bonsjour part was needed!
>
> Best regards
>
> Phillip
>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Any ideas are most wellcome!
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Phillip
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hope this helps,
>>> >> > Roland Krikava
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: "Prasad Mahendra" <prasad.mahendra at sipphone.com>
>>> >> > To: <rkrikava at sipphone.com>
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:39 PM
>>> >> > Subject: Fw: Solutions for Gizmo-Debian
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > roland?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: "Phillip Sc. Boegh" <psb at ipl.dtu.dk>
>>> >> > To: <DebugLog at gizmoproject.com>
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:50 AM
>>> >> > Subject: Solutions for Gizmo-Debian
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi Gizmoproject
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I like to widespread the Gizmoproject to our members, but need to
>>> >> >> translate a well-working installation-procedure. And I yet 4
>> problems
>>> >> -
>>> >> >> even 2 are now solved:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1. Gizmoproject depends on libsipphoneapi
>>> >> >> 2. Libsipphoneapi is not in the repositories but can be found
>>> >> >> downloadable.
>>> >> >> 3. Gizmo-project installed but still depends on libdns_sd.so
>>> >> >> 4. Audiowrapper is not in the repositories even a .jar version is
>>> >> >> available.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1. Gizmoproject depends on libsipphoneapi (later on
>>> libdns_sd.so).
>>> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i /home/phillipny/Desktop/gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-
>>> >> >> 1_i386.deb
>>> >> >> Password:
>>> >> >> Vælger tidligere fravalgt pakke gizmo-project.
>>> >> >> (Læser database... 121780 filer og mapper aktuelt installeret.)
>>> >> >> Unpack gizmo-project (fra
>>> .../gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb)...
>>> >> >> dpkg: dependency problems with Libsipphoneapi
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2. Libsipphoneapi is not in the repositories but I recommend that
>> you
>>> >> >> write that is needed for Debian and CAN be downloaded as:
>>> >> >> libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb
>>> >> >> from your: http://gizmoproject.com/jasmine/
>>> >> >>                  After installing this problem occur:
>>> >> >> 3. Gizmo-project installed but still depends on libdns_sd.so
>>> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i
>>> > /home/phillipny/Desktop/gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb
>>> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> Unpack the gizmo-project (fra
>>> >> .../gizmo-project_0.8.0.12-1_i386.deb)...
>>> >> >> Set up the gizmo-project (0.8.0.12-1) op...
>>> >> >> phillipny at ubuntu:~$ gizmo
>>> >> >> gizmo: error while loading shared libraries: libdns_sd.so: cannot
>>> >> open
>>> >> >> shared object file: No such file or directory
>>> >> >> Gizmo-project still depends on libdns_sd.so that is unreachable
>>> from
>>> >> >> Houl,
>>> >> >> Apple or .. All closed projects or exist as mDNSResponder, that
>>> may
>>> >> not
>>> >> >> be
>>> >> >> directly usefull as gizmo may not recognize it.
>>> >> >> (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/bonjour/index.html).
>>> >> >> that may be solved as the avahi/flexmdns in:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >
>> http://lists.porchdogsoft.com/pipermail/howl-users/Week-of-Mon-20050411.txt
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 4. No dependency of audiowrapper is reported and audiowrapper is
>>> not
>>> >> in
>>> >> >> the repositories even a .jar version is available to download.
>>> >> >> For a bug-report you recommend us to get output from:
>>> >> >> audiowrapper --oss-native gizmo
>>> >> >> , which is therefore not possible.
>>> >> >> No installation documentation is available to get Audiowrapper
>>> >> running.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have worked a lot to get this solved so far, so please send me
>>> a
>>> >> >> direct
>>> >> >> mail!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> (The debian I use is Ubuntu breezy)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Phillip Bøgh
>>> >> >> F/ http://SSLUG.dk
>>> >> >> (4.500 members)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 14:45:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:45:08 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


main pc runs ubuntu gf pc xp still as we have a scanner that isn't fully
supported by sane and a workshop pc which runs a diagnostic program that
doesn't work with wine


-- 
teaker1s



From funkytwig at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:09:16 2005
From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:09:16 +0000
Subject: Anyone got mythtv working with nova-t dvb card yet?
Message-ID: <32b873ff0512010709j3d0ce2cbk@mail.gmail.com>

A while ago I jumped ship to gentoo for my pvr box cos ubuntu packages
for mythv did not work and I could not compile from source.  I was not
the only person having problems.  Was wondering if anyone has managed
to get this setup working jet on breezy?

Ben
--
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WARNING:This email contained partisan views - don't ever accuse me of
using the veneer of objectivity
If you have a problem emailing me use
http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4
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From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk  Thu Dec  1 15:15:38 2005
From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:15:38 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>

Very indirectly: Win 95 was completely replaced with RH4.2 on an earlier
incarnation, then RH by various versions of SuSE, then Debian Woody &
Sid before Ubuntu.

On my laptop I've still got OSX, but hardly every use it (I would need
it to reconfigure my Airport Base Station, but not for much else).

James

-- 
+------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+
| James Tappin           | School of Physics & Astronomy |  O__    |
| sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      | --  \/` |
| Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722                  |         |
+--------------------------------------------------------+---------+



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Thu Dec  1 15:24:08 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:24:08 -0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <20051201152408.GA8992@home.tig-grr.com>

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 08:28:00PM -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.

Hmm, well .. it replaced Debian, which in turn replaced Windows.  ;-)

I started with Slackware in 1997 or so.  Moved to Debian in 2000 or so for
the dpkg goodness.  Moved to Ubuntu 6 months ago for the integrated desktop.

Details:

My laptop has Breezy installed.

My wife's laptop has Breezy installed.  I haven't removed the WinXP
partition yet but it hasn't been booted since the week the laptop was
purchased.

My workstation at work has Breezy installed.  I removed the WinXP partition
when I purchased cxoffice.

Note that all three machines have cxoffice (for different reasons).  I need
cxoffice to run ClarifyCRM at work and, to a lesser extent, interact with
the MSExchange server (I ues IMAP mail and I'm working on a calendaring
solution).  My wife insists on using MSWord because she's familiar with its
UI.



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Thu Dec  1 15:25:59 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:25:59 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512010410j77a453b5x49e2102ec993f682@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133419549.7913.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<odin.1zcpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<bbda83370512010131r69b7be1dg5f1b689a236f3c58@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133437199.10122.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512010410j77a453b5x49e2102ec993f682@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133450759.10122.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:10 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/1/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > How about gThumb image viewer?
> 
> I'll see. Does gThumb have that printing ability (2, 3 photos per page
> with automatic resize)?
> 

You can select multiple images and then have them printed as one, two,
four, eight or sixteen images per page.  Resizing is automatic, though
not fast...  There are some automatic captioning options too.

Neil
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From emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:30:52 2005
From: emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com (Emmanuele Salvati)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't, for 3
reasons:
--no linux driver for airport express (yet)
--no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
--no afs working on linuxppc

otherwise... i would just use ubuntu.

ciao

2005/12/1, James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
>
> Very indirectly: Win 95 was completely replaced with RH4.2 on an earlier
> incarnation, then RH by various versions of SuSE, then Debian Woody &
> Sid before Ubuntu.
>
> On my laptop I've still got OSX, but hardly every use it (I would need
> it to reconfigure my Airport Base Station, but not for much else).
>
> James
>
> --
> +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+
> | James Tappin           | School of Physics & Astronomy |  O__    |
> | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      | --  \/` |
> | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722                  |         |
> +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
un abbraccio,
            emmanuele
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:32:04 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:32:04 -0500
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512010732w7918442cnaff19c879786ca9c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
> Joel Juliano wrote:
> > GNOME 2.12.2 is out, nice work! so may new improvements, features and
> > bugfixes!
>
> I've clicked all over www.gnome.org for 2.12.2 release notes and have
> come up empty.

I wonder if the OP is confusing the "What's New" from 2.10 to 2.12
page with the changelogs of 2.12.1 -> 2.12.2 (found here:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.12/2.12.2/NEWS
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.12/2.12.2/NEWS
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/bindings/2.12/2.12.2/NEWS )
which all appear to just be (for the most part) bugfixes of minor standing.

I agree with ubuntu's policy on not backporting.  There is entirely
too much to maintain with this for so little gain.  If the OP wants
'cutting edge' gnome, upgrade to Dapper and hope your machine works
after every update (in most cases, it does). :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From gyrotech at freakinabox.com  Thu Dec  1 15:36:30 2005
From: gyrotech at freakinabox.com (GyroTech)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:36:30 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>

Emmanuele Salvati wrote:
> hi,
> i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't, 
> --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)

I can't help with the others, but Skype works fine on my Kubuntu Breezy 
install...

http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/

GT



From Dennis_Drescher at sil.org  Thu Dec  1 15:38:05 2005
From: Dennis_Drescher at sil.org (Dennis_Drescher at sil.org)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:38:05 -0600
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <E1Ehpgd-0005EW-3n@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <OF1261D973.A1852112-ON862570CA.0054A42F-862570CA.0055AD97@notes.sil.org>

> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many 
people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux. 

I've been using Linux at home virtually 100% of the time for probably 
three years now and at work for almost two years. Earlier this year, when 
I got a new Dell laptop, I immediately removed the "Designed for Microsoft 
Windows XP" sticker and pasted it on my trash can. I then took the new, 
shrink-wrapped OEM Windows XP install disk to my network admin guy and 
asked him to give it to someone less fortunate than I. ;-) This machine 
has never seen a setup version of Windows on it as I wiped the drive the 
day I got it. 

I switched several months ago from SuSE to Ubuntu (Hoary) when apps. that 
I liked using, like Scribus for example, virtually disappeared from the 
distro. I also liked Ubuntu's philosophy so I'll be staying with them for 
some time to come.

Regards,

Dennis




From chris at bitspace.org  Thu Dec  1 15:49:06 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:49:06 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
Message-ID: <438F1B72.7020508@bitspace.org>

GyroTech wrote:
> I can't help with the others, but Skype works fine on my Kubuntu 
> Breezy install...
>
> http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/
I suspect that's an x86 binary and won't run on Linux/PPC.

-- 
 Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods




From ramercer at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:51:04 2005
From: ramercer at gmail.com (Adam Mercer)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:51:04 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
Message-ID: <799406d60512010751g54fde64du@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/12/05, GyroTech <gyrotech at freakinabox.com> wrote:

> Emmanuele Salvati wrote:
> > i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
> > --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
>
> I can't help with the others, but Skype works fine on my Kubuntu Breezy
> install...
>
> http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/

I can't see any powerpc debs linked there, only i386

Cheers

Adam



From dimss at telecentrs.lv  Thu Dec  1 15:51:44 2005
From: dimss at telecentrs.lv (Dmitry Ivanov)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:51:44 +0200
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <200512011751.44957.dimss@telecentrs.lv>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 03:28, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> people have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have
> not replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting),
> there's no need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing
> from those who have completely replaced Windows.

I run Linux on my computers almost exclusively for the last six years. 
Ubuntu has replaced Slackware two months ago :)



From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:53:49 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:53:49 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512010753v42fa1b49qbfc1d311dda8f77b@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

Yes.
I've been using Linux for ages 'secondary' - mostly on servers, in
April 2004 I bit the bullet and ditched windows from my desktop and
installed Debian, later that year I found Ubuntu and it's more recent
versions of certain things (namely Gnome) and installed it.

In March of '05 I got a new laptop and installed Ubuntu immediately
without hesitation.

Mind you, I still have windows "available" on a secondary box, one
that is turned on one, maybe two days a month for little things since
I still provide some sort of tech support to family, etc. on windows.

But, for personal everyday use, 100% Linux.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From mtbeedee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:54:46 2005
From: mtbeedee at gmail.com (Michael Beattie)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:54:46 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
Message-ID: <d4b4435a0512010754m735948f4i95e9b815fb7744dd@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, GyroTech <gyrotech at freakinabox.com> wrote:
> Emmanuele Salvati wrote:
> > hi,
> > i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
> > --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
>
> I can't help with the others, but Skype works fine on my Kubuntu Breezy
> install...
>
> http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/
>
> GT

Like he said though, there's no package for PPC.  All those packages
are x86.  And they dont release source that I see there.



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 15:59:04 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:59:04 -0500
Subject: NVIDIA conflict between 7167 and 7667
In-Reply-To: <rykel.1zbwbb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <3dde113c0511301244t3c79c3fel462e483589be4ca5@mail.gmail.com>
	<rykel.1zbwbb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512010759k26aef7eldea23a27289932a7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> try this... reinstall 7167, then use synaptic to right click the driver
> to do a "COMPLETE" removal, instead of just a plain removal.
>

Thanks.

I went into synaptic and saw I had installed some nvidia-legacy packages.  I
went and did a COMPLETE removal on all of them and then just installed the
restricted packages, but no legacy.

I found out that without nvidia-glx, GDM won't start (at least if your
xorg.conf calls for glx).

I am all set now.


--
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
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From mtbeedee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:02:13 2005
From: mtbeedee at gmail.com (Michael Beattie)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:02:13 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <857993970511302152j15f68bb4we12ab707780e7170@mail.gmail.com>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
	<857993970511302152j15f68bb4we12ab707780e7170@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4b4435a0512010802s11184d6ay2df82c8417526791@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Michael Beattie <mtbeedee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/30/05, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > >From what I read on the lists it seems that Ubuntu's unstable is
> > > generally more broken than Debian's, making me feel safer using Sid.
> > > Could anyone confirm this.
> > > Thanks...
> > >
> >
> > That may be so, but why are you using dapper instead of breezy anyway?
>
> I'm not. I like Debian 'testing' except when it has missing and broken
> packages (like it does now) so I switched to Debian 'unstable'. This
> is very recent and so far/therefore I haven't experienced much
> trouble. I was wondering about an alternative switch to Dapper
> 'unstable'.
>

Wait, wait, wait...

You say testing is too broken, so you went to unstable?

unstable is by design more broken than testing, right?  I believe they
have to be stable enough in unstable before they get moved to testing.



From albi at scii.nl  Thu Dec  1 16:12:27 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:12:27 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0512010754m735948f4i95e9b815fb7744dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>	<438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
	<d4b4435a0512010754m735948f4i95e9b815fb7744dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F20EB.80101@scii.nl>

Michael Beattie wrote:

> On 12/1/05, GyroTech <gyrotech at freakinabox.com> wrote:
> 
>>Emmanuele Salvati wrote:
>>
>>>hi,
>>>i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
>>>--no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
>>
>>I can't help with the others, but Skype works fine on my Kubuntu Breezy
>>install...
>>
>>http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/
>>
>>GT
> 
> 
> Like he said though, there's no package for PPC.  All those packages
> are x86.  And they dont release source that I see there.

according to this

http://www.skype.org/products/skype/linux/ -> Skype for Linux -> FAQ ->
What hardware platforms is Skype for Linux available on?)

there are indeed only packages for i386-platform




From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:17:08 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512010817t7cc293eakb6c87559d06e5ab0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Jeff Co <hanzjordan at gmail.com> wrote:
> how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?

ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that basically contains a list of
dependancies to give you the default desktop environment.

this meta package contains gnome-games, so if you remove it, you
remove the meta-package.

It won't hurt if it's gone.

Worry if it starts removing other gnome-* packages too ;)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:17:42 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:17:42 +0000
Subject: USB mouse freezes after suspend
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512010817w412ef372xf506b4cc5fabd54b@mail.gmail.com>

`Suspend' might not be the right term. I'm using a desktop PC at work
running Breezy. When I turn the monitor off and leave the machine on
overnight, I come back in the morning and the computer has gone to sleep or
whatever (turn the monitor on again and there's no signal). I tap something
on the keyboard and the computer wakes up, the system is running fine, but
the mouse pointer is frozen. I have to restart the computer to unfreeze the
mouse pointer. I guess I could maybe try just restarting X. It's a logitech,
three button + scroll USB mouse with a trackball, no optical or wireless.

Thanks for any suggestions!
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From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  1 16:17:56 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:17:56 +0100
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <1133453877.31446.4.camel@localhost>

Hi everybody,

On Do, 2005-12-01 at 07:01 -0700, Scott wrote:
> I've clicked all over www.gnome.org for 2.12.2 release notes and have
> come up empty.

The release plan: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen
One announce: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2502 - 
another one:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2005-November/msg00006.html


Have a nice day, 
 Daniel

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From emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:23:19 2005
From: emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com (Emmanuele Salvati)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:23:19 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0512010754m735948f4i95e9b815fb7744dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
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Message-ID: <fb0833c0512010823q17c9b4fcg@mail.gmail.com>

yes,
the skype team says they use some external libraries that do not work with
PowerPC architecture.

I love my computer, but... sometimes the x86 architecture is much less
painful!!!
if i had it, i would probably have erased win from my computer.

ciao




Like he said though, there's no package for PPC.  All those packages
> are x86.  And they dont release source that I see there.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
un abbraccio,
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From jvalennc at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:34:41 2005
From: jvalennc at gmail.com (Jerry Valentine)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:34:41 -0600
Subject: ATI 3D Rage LT Pro AGP-133 -- If this is a repeat I apologize I was
	having email issues.
Message-ID: <28540ec60512010834o73ef5f3dg928c61f45efc75f9@mail.gmail.com>

If this is a repeat I apologize I was having email issues.

Anyone had any success with this card and Ubuntu Breezy 5.10?  I think I'm
having some issues with OpenGL and 3D acceleration?  Is it my driver or is
it just a crummy card?  Thanks for you help.
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec  1 14:26:31 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:26:31 -0400
Subject: Debian APT sources
References: <da988b050511301238h2dff8831x44314d8df8f409f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051201080843.26f8a32e.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <ppd363-upk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Peter Garrett wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:02 -0300
> Marcio Carvalho <marweck at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> s there any problem in adding the Debian oficial stable sources to my
>> source.list???
>  
> Yes, there is /are problem(s)

Not really.

> Please don't do this :)
>> 
>> I wish to get the lastest debian packages for some programs.

That's an oxymoron - you can't get the latest debian packages from Stable. 
Right now, because sarge is so young, it's not bad, but up until September
the Debian "stable" packages might better have been called "stale". 
However, if you start trying to bring in Debian "testing", "unstable" (sid)
or "experimental" packages you are _definitely_ asking for trouble.
 
> Unless you know *exactly* what you are doing, and how it will affect
> your system and package dependencies, best not to do this.

I can't see any potential problem _at this time_.  Ubuntu is almost always
going to be ahead of Debian Stable.  The only time this could be an issue
is immediately after Debian releases a new Stable version, until the next
Ubuntu release - which was a matter of weeks with Sarge, but could be up to
six months.
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 16:35:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:35:53 -0500
Subject: [breazy] nvidia problems with getting higher dekstop resolution
References: <27b54c6a0511250059o38fe906di@mail.gmail.com>
	<adbefcbf0511260206u10166ed4wdaadcf76e5a4f826@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KermitJr.1zde0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try entering in the actual amount of video RAM your card has.  That
might fix your problem.



KJ


-- 
KermitJr



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 16:36:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:36:16 -0500
Subject: NVIDIA conflict between 7167 and 7667
References: <3dde113c0511301244t3c79c3fel462e483589be4ca5@mail.gmail.com><rykel.1zbwbb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<3dde113c0512010759k26aef7eldea23a27289932a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rjwood.1zde0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi John,

I knew a John DeCarlo way back on Long Island N.Y.
Not you by any chance is it?? He would be about 49 years old.


-- 
rjwood



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec  1 14:29:45 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:29:45 -0400
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <pvd363-upk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

DC Parris wrote:

> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

Well, yes, but what's the value of knowing that if you don't know how many
haven't quite had the nerve?

In my case I do only have Ubuntu on my laptop.  Of course, my wife's machine
has Windows - and I use it to create my business invoices - and I have to
use an XP desktop at work...
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 16:45:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:45:30 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<briguy.1zcc1z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <wrtrdood.1zdexy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I haven't used Windows at home since I installed RH 5 (shortly after it
was released).



I run Kubuntu on two laptops with E17 and Debian on my home server.  I
use Ubuntu as a webserver for mountainminis.com (at unixshell.com).


-- 
wrtrdood



From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Thu Dec  1 17:16:00 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:16:00 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>	<438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>
	<6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F2FD0.7070909@sjoeboo.com>

I went ful, non-stop linux on my desktop about 3 years ago, switching to 
ubuntu from debian about a year ago. since then it has made its way on 
to my laptop as its sole OS, and on to teh computer of my roomate and my 
girlfriend, neither of which are "computer" people. now both of them use 
it far more than windows, which my roomate uses only for AutoCAD, and my 
girlfriend hasn't used yet.

rock on ubuntu.

Carlton Noles wrote:
> Not yet but I am working on it. I don't have networking yet. My goal 
> is to get Ubuntu working then eventually completely convert my box . 
> Until I get the networking sorted out though that is not even a remote 
> possibility.
> Yes most universities to push Windows development because it is 
> heavily subsidized by M$ and many businesses that use it or stand to 
> benefit through teaching it.
>
> On 12/1/05, *Peter McNab* <mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au 
> <mailto:mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au>> wrote:
>
>     MrKnisely wrote:
>
>     > I've replaced Windows on many systems.
>     >
>     >
>     I'm trying to but ubuntu does not recognize either (not too
>     ancient) PCI
>     network card and the online FAQs don't appear to address that aspect.
>
>     Its looking like one needs to revert to XP just to run a browser and
>     Subversion repository.
>
>     Peter
>
>
>     --
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Carlton "Kermit" Noles
> ==================
> Qui tacet consentit---"he who remains silent consents"
> ==================
> Want your own GMail Account?
> Ask Me for an invite. 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 17:02:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:02:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F187E.4060207@freakinabox.com>
Message-ID: <Single.1zdfva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I recently deleted my Windows partition, since I don't need it anymore,
and I can claim my 25GB back to try other distros.
Ubuntu is my first distro, and I wan to see how good it is compared to
other distro. Only have tried Suse KDE, but deleted it not long after.


-- 
Single



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:46:12 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:46:12 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512010946s2f7b074cjebe0b97a3643ea23@mail.gmail.com>

Ugh. Blasphemy!

But, if you're wanting to replace OS X anyway, Skype is unlikely to
show up for linux/ppc. Perhaps MOL could offer you a solution in that
case (provided MOL supports audio in/out... don't remember if it
does). If MOL doesn't support the in-built microphone & head phone
jack, and, if MOL allows you to use USB devices, then you could use
USB audio-in/out devices to do your Skyping.

Also, I wouldn't hold your breath on Airport Extreme. A group of
Gentooers has apparently got AE working, but only through the magic of
MOL.

Finally, AFS doesn't work? (Apple File Sharing?) I no longer use AFS,
but, it works quite well under Linux! You do have to make sure that
you're running the right version of the networking daemon but it
should work nicely.

I'm sure there are people here who could help you get AFS up and
running, and, failing that, you could check out the "How To"s at
yellowdoglinux.

Eric.

On 12/1/05, Emmanuele Salvati <emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>  i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't, for 3
> reasons:
>  --no linux driver for airport express (yet)
>  --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
>  --no afs working on linuxppc
>
>  otherwise... i would just use ubuntu.
>
>  ciao
>
> 2005/12/1, James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
> > Very indirectly: Win 95 was completely replaced with RH4.2 on an earlier
> > incarnation, then RH by various versions of SuSE, then Debian Woody &
> > Sid before Ubuntu.
> >
> > On my laptop I've still got OSX, but hardly every use it (I would need
> > it to reconfigure my Airport Base Station, but not for much else).
> >
> > James



From emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:59:04 2005
From: emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com (Emmanuele Salvati)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:59:04 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows (or MacOS) on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512010946s2f7b074cjebe0b97a3643ea23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512010946s2f7b074cjebe0b97a3643ea23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb0833c0512010959l6d717676s@mail.gmail.com>

2005/12/1, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com>:
>
> Ugh. Blasphemy!
>
But, if you're wanting to replace OS X anyway, Skype is unlikely to
> show up for linux/ppc. Perhaps MOL could offer you a solution in that
> case (provided MOL supports audio in/out... don't remember if it
> does). If MOL doesn't support the in-built microphone & head phone
> jack, and, if MOL allows you to use USB devices, then you could use
> USB audio-in/out devices to do your Skyping.


yes, it is a possibility, but i never find the time to do such thing.


Also, I wouldn't hold your breath on Airport Extreme. A group of
> Gentooers has apparently got AE working, but only through the magic of
> MOL.


well... it looks like some people are using MOL to reverse-engineering and
are writing a linux driver for that.


Finally, AFS doesn't work? (Apple File Sharing?) I no longer use AFS,


sorry, i meant Andrew File System.

ciao,
           emmanuele

but, it works quite well under Linux! You do have to make sure that
> you're running the right version of the networking daemon but it
> should work nicely.
>
> I'm sure there are people here who could help you get AFS up and
> running, and, failing that, you could check out the "How To"s at
> yellowdoglinux.
>
> Eric.
>
> On 12/1/05, Emmanuele Salvati <emmanuele.salvati at gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi,
> >  i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
> for 3
> > reasons:
> >  --no linux driver for airport express (yet)
> >  --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
> >  --no afs working on linuxppc
> >
> >  otherwise... i would just use ubuntu.
> >
> >  ciao
> >
> > 2005/12/1, James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
> > > Very indirectly: Win 95 was completely replaced with RH4.2 on an
> earlier
> > > incarnation, then RH by various versions of SuSE, then Debian Woody &
> > > Sid before Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > On my laptop I've still got OSX, but hardly every use it (I would need
> > > it to reconfigure my Airport Base Station, but not for much else).
> > >
> > > James
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
un abbraccio,
            emmanuele
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From whb at ceimaine.org  Thu Dec  1 17:55:57 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:55:57 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A91015C@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of 'Forum Post
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:03 PM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> 
> 
> I recently deleted my Windows partition, since I don't need it
anymore,
> and I can claim my 25GB back to try other distros.
> Ubuntu is my first distro, and I wan to see how good it is compared to
> other distro. Only have tried Suse KDE, but deleted it not long after.
> 
> 

The last version of Microsoft Windows that I had for home was Windows
98.
I switched to an iMac DVSE 400mhz as my main computer (video editing was
my thing) in the year 2000, and replaced Windows 98 with Redhat Linux.
Two or three years ago, I put together a new Intel-based desktop and
went the RedHat/Fedora route.  I tried Ubuntu when it came out, and
ended up replacing Fedora with Warty.  I still use my iMac, but only as
a spare when my wife is on the Linux machine.  We don't do very much, so
it works fine.  Listen to music, get email, browse the web, make music
mix CDs for the car.



From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:59:43 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:59:43 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <Single.1zdfva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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'Forum Post wrote:
> I recently deleted my Windows partition, since I don't need it anymore,
> and I can claim my 25GB back to try other distros.
> Ubuntu is my first distro, and I wan to see how good it is compared to
> other distro. Only have tried Suse KDE, but deleted it not long after.

I used to run Fedora and liked it. If you want to try another 
Gnome-based desktop, you'll probably like Fedora... I just liked Ubuntu 
better after I installed it!

I'm still planning on trying out Gentoo or Slackware one month when I've 
got spare time. I think I'll learn a lot with those.

It's weird though... after using Ubuntu for a while, you lose a lot of 
the curiosity for other distros... because Ubuntu is so stable, works 
well and has awesome community support.

-Steve.

-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org




From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 18:07:37 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:07:37 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>

So I know someone who has two drives in a SATA RAID 0 stripe, using a
Silicon Image 3112A chip (which is fakeraid), and was wondering if anyone
with Linux raid experience might be able to offer anything.

He has Windows XP installed currently, and might be interested enough to
install Ubuntu if it can dual-boot, but has given up because the
complications introduced by his RAID setup were too much.

Is there a way to get Ubuntu to install dual-boot on a system like this? Are
there drivers available in the Ubuntu installer that support this chip? If
so, exactly what would have to be done during install to get them running?
He tells me the Ubuntu installer didn't work in the normal way, I think
maybe it didn't automatically detect his partitions.

As I understand it we can't use Linux's software raid drvier 'md', because
this would require us to delete the current 'fakeraid' partitions,
destroying his data, and in any case there's no way Windows is going to run
on Linux partitions so dual-boot would be impossible.

If there is no driver in the Ubuntu installer, then I think our options are:

1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the needed
raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I don't think
he's willing to go to so much trouble.

2. Rebuild the Ubuntu installer with the necessary raid support, then
install. I have no idea what would be required here or how to rebuild the
Ubuntu installer.

3. Switch the bios to ATA, install Ubuntu, then install the raid support,
then switch the BIOS back. Not sure if this is possible or not. Would this
work in the dual-boot situation?

Thanks for any input.
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From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  1 18:12:33 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:12:33 +0100
Subject: MOTU report - issue 10
Message-ID: <1133460753.14920.3.camel@localhost>

Hi everybody,

this is the tenth issue of the MOTU report, telling you, what happened
in Universe and where you can expect the Master of the Universe to
strike next.

After UBZ [1] and the planning of the Dapper release, everybody was
excited to get working on Dapper and the results are amazing:
      * lots of merges back to Debian got done
      * many libraries were already fixed for the C++ standard allocator
        change [2]
      * many bugs were categorized, and replied to - especially on the
        HUG DAY [3]

[1] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[2] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013025.html
[3] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013211.html


The MOTUs were the first to use the new Malone interface [4] entirely
and we are gradually leaving the wiki behind to organize ourselves, but
file bug reports for package-related tasks we have to do. We were the
first to use a new exciting technology: Malone's Mail Interface! [5] The
merges and the allocator change are the shiny result [6] of this.

[4] http://launchpad.net/malone
[5] https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc
[6] http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new


We congratulate some NEW MOTUs in the team:
      * Benjamin Montgomery (bmonty) who was with us for quite a while
        and fixed a bunch of packages - it's great to finally have you.
      * Zak B. Elep (zakame) made a kickstart into the team - thanks for
        helping us out.
      * Loic Pefferkorn (pef) who enriched the KDE world with many many
        packages - ROCK on!
      * Benjamin Mako Hill (mako) became honorary member of the team -
        welcome, dude!

Somebody should start a MOTUWorldMap - it'd be interesting to see how
much of the 'Universe' we cover already.

Sebastian Dröge (slomo) was presented with 'main' upload rights, after a
very long TB meeting everybody agreed, that his affiliation towards
Media was a real win for Ubuntu.


Johnny Mast (rave_) started an initiative to create logos for the MOTU
world; [7] already lists a couple of his pictures. Let's have a
competition decide on the best MOTU Logo in a month.

[7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo


We have a mailing list [8], see [9] to sign up. After lots of talk we
finally made it and we all think it'll make our organisation better and
if you ever wanted to get started in packaging, we can give you pointers
on the list.

[8] ubuntu-motu at lists.ubuntu.com
[9] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu


Cool stuff to come: We'll have another Review Day soon and of course a
Bug Day! We'll announce them on the mailing list too.


Stephan Hermann (\sh) announced [10] the Ubuntu MOTU School - we're all
excited to see talks in a regular fashion and to have something, we can
use as documentation for all the newcomers. If you want to have a look
what goes on, join #ubuntu-motu-school, after a new session was
announced on the mailing list. Next session will be on 2005-12-10 -
we'll figure out the time.

[10] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2005-November/000008.html

In the last month a lot of new people showed up, helped out and will
hopefully soon be MOTUs too.
Jordan Mantha (LaserJock), Chris Peterman (Kyral), Tobias Hunger
(hunger) among them.

We're happy to see more and more teams evolving. That's the kind of
structure we want to see in the long run: lots of small teams who work
together, know their topic and have own plans and ideas how to go forth.
Apart from that we have taskforces; teams, that take care of a specific
task, like 'merging' - they receive all the bugs for this task and work
until they fixed it all up. That's something that makes the MOTU
landscape so very interesting: you can work in a lot of teams, poke at
all your interests and get to know a lof of people. [11] is the list of
our current teams and we will present one team in every report from
now. 

This time it is the  MOTU Science team ('motuscience' on Launchpad)
[12]- they now count 5 members who are willing to work on science
related packaging and bug fixing. They will hopefully also prod
development in upstream as well. Thanks to siretart we have a mailing
list. It can be found at [13]. If you ever wanted to make Ubuntu the
scientific Distro of everybody's choice - join the team! 

[11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams
[12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUScience
[13] http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science

You see that MOTU was never more exciting and this is the time you
should join the team. You can integrate your ideas and plans - sky's the
limit. :-)

Start here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU

Have a nice day,
 the MOTU team


PS: If we forgot to mention something, please head to [14] and we'll
definitely write about it next time.

[14] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft

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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Thu Dec  1 18:24:51 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:24:51 -0800
Subject: apt- et dist-upgrade
Message-ID: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi

I am on dial-up so.....


I just got a Breezy Badger  CD..

Can I change my Sources list to  CDROM

Do 

apt-get dist-upgrade

on the CDROM


Then change my sources list to Breezy Badger

and do

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade....


Or is their a flaw in this plan...


My objective is:

Upgrade to Breezy..


Spend at little time as possible downloading off the net on my dial-up



TIA

Vram





From js at wdsl.co.za  Thu Dec  1 18:21:18 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:21:18 +0200
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 10:12:40PM -0500, Hakim Singhji wrote:
> I have been hearing a lot about Python lately. I have been using Perl
> for my primary scripting tool for about two years and had no real
> interest in Python. However, I am hearing so much about it I must ask
> the questions... Is Python the new Perl or better?

Just to make your choice a bit more complicated:  Have a look at
Ruby too.  And then there is Ocaml - not a scripting language
per se but it can be used as one if you want.

Regards
Johann
-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is 
      like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, 
      doing wonders?"             Exodus 15:11 



From revant.one at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 18:26:01 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:56:01 +0530
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512010803140.881-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
References: <d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0512010803140.881-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512011026r424ad94bkcabef9eb8fc7f7ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, Nancy Rudins <nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> I got rid of Windows completely.  There's nothing I did on
> Windows that I can't do with Ubuntu.  I love it.
>

What about Games, However I try Cedega/Wine Cant get GTASA running on
my comp. everytime I install it, it has new error msgs! when it had no
error message, the game program closed after intro movie and loading
page



From whblai1 at ns.sympatico.ca  Thu Dec  1 18:28:05 2005
From: whblai1 at ns.sympatico.ca (Dr W Hunter Blair)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:28:05 -0400
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
Message-ID: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> It's weird though... after using Ubuntu for a while, you lose a lot
> of 
> the curiosity for other distros... because Ubuntu is so stable, works 
> well and has awesome community support.
> 
> 
So true. I have been using Ubuntu for a year with no thought to try
another distro

I have windows dual boot on my laptop for daughter's game. Breezy on one
drive and Dapper on the other on my desktop. The kids actually prefer
linux and only use windows when the cannot avoid it --- getting rarer
and rarer

Hunter  




From revant.one at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 18:40:28 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:10:28 +0530
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
In-Reply-To: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512011040s6d79d549kdf690ca1ff17417f@mail.gmail.com>

I once thought same things for redhat 9 series till FC2, after that
they started treating us like guinea pigs,

So I wont say anything about ubuntu's stability, Its GREAT till now,
but cant say about future,


ONLY TWO PROBLEMS FOR ME:
1) X CANT RUN ON OPTIMUM REFRESHRATE
2) NO GAMES



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Thu Dec  1 18:45:31 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:45:31 -0800
Subject: Hyper-Terminal Replacement
In-Reply-To: <htp263-ltm.ln1@don.localnet>
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E88D@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
	<1133235647.10405.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<htp263-ltm.ln1@don.localnet>
Message-ID: <1133462731.10405.273.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 03:47 -0500, Bill Marcum wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800, Vram 
>   <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
> >
> > Remember comm1 in the bios
> >
> > is 
> >
> >
> > ttyS0
> >
> >
> > Make sure that is set correctly
> >
> >
> > If you want comm2 
> >
> > It is ttyS1
> >
> He said it was a USB serial adapter.  That would probably be ttyUSB0.
> 
> 
> 

Right you are..

Thanks for pointing that you

Vram










> -- 
> Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure;
> Men love in haste, but they detest at leisure.
> 		-- George Gordon, Lord Byron, "Don Juan"
> 
> 




From nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  1 18:56:37 2005
From: nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:56:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512011026r424ad94bkcabef9eb8fc7f7ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512011255340.10477-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, [UTF-8] (रेवंत) Revan[UTF-8] t Nandgaonkar wrote:

> On 12/1/05, Nancy Rudins <nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I got rid of Windows completely.  There's nothing I did on
> > Windows that I can't do with Ubuntu.  I love it.
> >
> 
> What about Games, However I try Cedega/Wine Cant get GTASA running on
> my comp. everytime I install it, it has new error msgs! when it had no
> error message, the game program closed after intro movie and loading
> page
> 
>

I admit you can get better games with Window XP platforms but I
never really played them very much.

Kind regards,
Nancy
 

-- 
Nancy Rudins    nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nrudins/

Take a sad song and make it better.  (lennon/mccartney)





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 18:42:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:42:11 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
References: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <earobinson.1zdkhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


fedora replaced windows, ubuntu replaced fedora :)


-- 
earobinson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 18:49:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:49:09 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
References: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ardchoille.1zdkhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Dr W Hunter Blair Wrote: 
> > It's weird though... after using Ubuntu for a while, you lose a lot

> > of 

> > the curiosity for other distros... because Ubuntu is so stable, works
> 

> > well and has awesome community support.

> > 

> > 

> So true. I have been using Ubuntu for a year with no thought to try

> another distro

> 

> I have windows dual boot on my laptop for daughter's game. Breezy on
> one

> drive and Dapper on the other on my desktop. The kids actually prefer

> linux and only use windows when the cannot avoid it --- getting rarer

> and rarer

> 

> Hunter  

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

Well, actually, Fedora Core 1 replaced Windows on all my boxes when FC1
test 1 was released back in 2003. Since then I have gone through 11
distros because each new one was better than the previous one. I am on
Ubuntu 5.10 now and I am simply amazed at its speed and stability
(apt-get blows yum and urpmi away). I even *tried* to break Ubuntu 5.10
through normal usage and couldn't - I click on everything, used every
app, installed almost everything from the repos, etc. I even installed
some .deb packages outside of apt-get/synaptic and it caused breakage,
but apt-get/synaptic found the broken packages and fixed them the next
time I ran synaptic. How cool is that?!



Ubuntu 5.10 is amazing and I am a very happy camper. The Ubuntu devs
did an outstanding job with this awesome distro :)


-- 
ardchoille



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 18:55:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:55:52 -0500
Subject: Gnomebaker error
References: <42DC911E.1080002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dragonfoundry.1zdkhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I need to overburn a cd image in gnomebaker and I get the same error.
How do you overburn using gnomebaker?


-- 
dragonfoundry



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  1 19:02:31 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:02:31 -0600
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
Message-ID: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>

Having never been a gamer on the computer or in the arcades I don't
understand what the big deal is, but still have to ask; if gaming is
wonderful why do people wish to do it on a computer?  Aren't the
custom game machines at least an order of magnitude better? 

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 19:05:24 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:05:24 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512011040s6d79d549kdf690ca1ff17417f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011040s6d79d549kdf690ca1ff17417f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F4974.1060406@gmail.com>

(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> I once thought same things for redhat 9 series till FC2, after that
> they started treating us like guinea pigs,
>
> So I wont say anything about ubuntu's stability, Its GREAT till now,
> but cant say about future,
>
>
> ONLY TWO PROBLEMS FOR ME:
> 1) X CANT RUN ON OPTIMUM REFRESHRATE
> 2) NO GAMES

I think "can't" & "no" are a little inaccurate. But I understand your 
point... "out of the box" features still need some improvements.

I was able to get a better refresh rate by inserting a custom modeline 
entry into my xorg.conf, and there are games that will work (I plan on 
trying Doom3 soon), however they usually also require some "tinkering" 
under the hood.

-Steve.

-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org




From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 19:14:48 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:14:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu replaced Windows on your box?
In-Reply-To: <ardchoille.1zdkhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133461685.8886.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ardchoille.1zdkhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <438F4BA8.6080007@gmail.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> I even installed some .deb packages outside of apt-get/synaptic and it caused breakage, but apt-get/synaptic found the broken packages and fixed them the next time I ran synaptic. How cool is that?!

Wow, I always wondered what would happen... if Synaptic would help to 
fix it. That is cool.

Still, I don't *intend* to break anything... :-)

-Steve.

-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org




From revant.one at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 19:19:02 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:49:02 +0530
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>

Games on Computer are easily hackable, Jack uses one machine for
jack's your work and play.

you buy computer because you know it is basic need, you dont have
gaming machine under that list,
Computer is upgrade able, gaming machines are not.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 19:06:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:06:35 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<200512011751.44957.dimss@telecentrs.lv>
Message-ID: <niobe_logos.1zdlfb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes, pretty much.  When I still used a desktop machine I had it
configured for dual boot Ubuntu/Win98, with two hard drives. Once I
swapped out my big clunky desktop for a sleeker laptop, I booted
Windows once to verify that all the hardware worked, and promptly nuked
it all with a clean Ubuntu install. 

At my non-profit sysadmin gig, I recently switched over to using Ubuntu
exclusively. Among other things this frees up a Windows computer that
can be used elsewhere, rather than the organization having to buy a new
one. 

At my pay-for-play job I'm still required to use Windows, but most
times I use that for email, or for remote logins to other machines,
half of which run Suse, anyway.


-- 
niobe_logos



From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Thu Dec  1 19:22:37 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:22:37 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <438F4D7D.4050700@sjoeboo.com>

i half agree with you. i used to play alot of computer games. mainly 
FPS. although i almost never play "computer" games any more, i still am 
wary of buying any FPS games for a console, instead of the pc 
counterpart. why? controls. todays FPS games are so complicated and 
intense, a normal console controller does not do the job. the controller 
was designed for alot of different games. you can customize the keys on 
your keyboard for each game, givein you alot more options. this, 
combined with the fact that aiming with a controller is way, way harder 
than aiming with a mouse, sure, after a bit, you get used to it, but you 
can be far more accurate, and fast with a mouse.

as for gaming console being a magnitude better. thats to be seen. is the 
xbox 360, more powerful than my (and most peoples pcs?) yes. infact, 
since it is dedicated, ti is far better. the old " regular xbox" had a 
700mhz (or 733 or something) processor in it.  pretty low end. and the 
gpu wasn't anythign to screem about, least, not compaired to pcs. but 
the xbox could devlier some graphics pc games couldn't touch.

but the converse is true. game console lock developers into a platform, 
a set of hardware requirements that can never change. yes, as the system 
gets older, games get better, but thats only because the programming 
advances, not the hardware on the console. the xbox 360 today is roughly 
as powerful as the last xbox 360 ever shipped will be.

with pcs, you, as a game developer, are not locked into the consoles 
hardware. soon, pcs will be far more powerful than the xbox 
360/ps3/nintendo revolution. look at half life 2. that game wouldn't 
run, least, not the way its made to be run, on a console, or, none of 
the consoles availible when it came out. recently an add on was released 
to show off part of the gaming engine. this add on will not run on my 
pc, and won't run on most peoples. the hardware requirements are that 
high.  but, thats the thing with pcs, hardware can change and get 
better, very quickly, and developers can take advantage of it right 
away, instead of waiting for whomever to build the next console in 4-5 
years.

plus, anyone can get a pc, and not everyone can get a dev-kit for the 
xbox 360 etc. if you had teh drive and programming knowledge, YOU could 
write a great, great computer game, and maybe evetually get sent a 
xbox-dev-kit to port it.

besides, consoles are basically pcs, with an embedded os that has very 
little overhead, so all of teh resources goto the game. also, lots of 
people have pcs, and want to paly games a little,=. spending extra money 
on another system jsut to do that every now and then just doesn't make 
sense to them

just my rant. please excuse the typos i'm sure exist.


Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> Having never been a gamer on the computer or in the arcades I don't
> understand what the big deal is, but still have to ask; if gaming is
> wonderful why do people wish to do it on a computer?  Aren't the
> custom game machines at least an order of magnitude better? 
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
>   




From tholmes at mcaschool.net  Thu Dec  1 19:22:40 2005
From: tholmes at mcaschool.net (Timothy A. Holmes)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:22:40 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
Message-ID: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E8C4@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>

> 
> Having never been a gamer on the computer or in the arcades I don't
> understand what the big deal is, but still have to ask; if gaming is
> wonderful why do people wish to do it on a computer?  Aren't the
> custom game machines at least an order of magnitude better?
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard
> --
> Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus?
> A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors,
> use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
> 		Winduhs
> 
> --
[Timothy A. Holmes] 

Its very simple -- Money -- I have a 1,000 dollar computer with a high
resolution screen sitting on my desk, why would I want to spend another
450 on an Xbox 360 and attach it to a low resolution screen like my tv
when I can play the same game with the same controller on the device I
already have

TIM





From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Thu Dec  1 19:49:41 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <niobe_logos.1zdlfb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<200512011751.44957.dimss@telecentrs.lv>
	<niobe_logos.1zdlfb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512011449.43279.dcparris@matheteuo.org>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 02:06 pm, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:
> Yes, pretty much.  When I still used a desktop machine I had it
> configured for dual boot Ubuntu/Win98, with two hard drives. Once I
> swapped out my big clunky desktop for a sleeker laptop, I booted
> Windows once to verify that all the hardware worked, and promptly nuked
> it all with a clean Ubuntu install.
>
> At my non-profit sysadmin gig, I recently switched over to using Ubuntu
> exclusively. Among other things this frees up a Windows computer that
> can be used elsewhere, rather than the organization having to buy a new
> one.
>

Thanks for that!  You might find this article interesting:

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47828/index.html

There are some links to non-profit resources.

> At my pay-for-play job I'm still required to use Windows, but most
> times I use that for email, or for remote logins to other machines,
> half of which run Suse, anyway.
>
>
> --
> niobe_logos

Regards,
Don
-- 
Rev. DC Parris,   Pastor
Oakdale Christian Fellowship
http://matheteuo.org/
(704) 398-1506



From whb at ceimaine.org  Thu Dec  1 19:31:03 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:31:03 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910187@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of matt nicholson
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:23 PM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
> 
> i half agree with you. i used to play alot of computer games. mainly
> FPS. although i almost never play "computer" games any more, i still
am
> wary of buying any FPS games for a console, instead of the pc
> counterpart. why? controls. todays FPS games are so complicated and
> intense, a normal console controller does not do the job. the
controller
> was designed for alot of different games. you can customize the keys
on
> your keyboard for each game, givein you alot more options. this,
> combined with the fact that aiming with a controller is way, way
harder
> than aiming with a mouse, sure, after a bit, you get used to it, but
you
> can be far more accurate, and fast with a mouse.

Perhaps there could be a focus on getting more games integrated with
Ubuntu.  You can get a lot of games installed by adding the debian
repositories, but many of those games don't show up on the gnome menu
after installation.  There are actually some really nice open source and
free games, but they just aren't packaged to integrate with gnome.

Other games might just need a little tweak to make them more "cool".
Replace the penguin in Tuxracer with a person on a snowboard, and
suddenly it becomes a cool game for the older kids.



From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Thu Dec  1 19:53:09 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:53:09 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <pvd363-upk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<pvd363-upk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <200512011453.10674.dcparris@matheteuo.org>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 09:29 am, Derek Broughton wrote:
> DC Parris wrote:
> > This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> > people have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> > replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> > need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> > have completely replaced Windows.
>
> Well, yes, but what's the value of knowing that if you don't know how many
> haven't quite had the nerve?
>

Well, so many have ignored that comment it's moot now anyway. :-)

> In my case I do only have Ubuntu on my laptop.  Of course, my wife's
> machine has Windows - and I use it to create my business invoices - and I
> have to use an XP desktop at work...
> --
> derek

Thanks!

Don
-- 
Rev. DC Parris,   Pastor
Oakdale Christian Fellowship
http://matheteuo.org/
(704) 398-1506



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 19:35:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:35:52 -0500
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com><438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<1133453877.31446.4.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <kcy29581.1zdmcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


question: am I wrong to say that Kubuntu ALWAYS gets the latest released
KDE? Every time I visit their site, I see "KDE (version number here)
released! Update sources list here!"


-- 
kcy29581



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  1 19:39:57 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:39:57 -0600
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <438F4D7D.4050700@sjoeboo.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<438F4D7D.4050700@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <20051201133957.182ae1cc@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:22:37 -0500
matt nicholson <sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com> wrote:

> thats the thing with pcs, hardware can change and get 
> better, very quickly, and developers can take advantage of it right 
> away, instead of waiting for whomever to build the next console in
> 4-5 
> years.

Very good point, matt, and just what I was expecting to hear.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  1 19:41:10 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:41:10 -0600
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E8C4@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D05E8C4@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
Message-ID: <20051201134110.17d932c1@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:22:40 -0500
"Timothy A. Holmes" <tholmes at mcaschool.net> wrote:

> [Timothy A. Holmes] 
> 
> Its very simple -- Money -- I have a 1,000 dollar computer with a high
> resolution screen sitting on my desk, why would I want to spend
> another
> 450 on an Xbox 360 and attach it to a low resolution screen like my tv
> when I can play the same game with the same controller on the device I
> already have
> 
> TIM

Very true and as matt pointed out, upgradability.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net  Thu Dec  1 19:42:17 2005
From: hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net (hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:42:17 +0100
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
Message-ID: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net>

Hi,
I had ubuntu 5.10 installed at a SATA-HDD. Whenever my PC boots Grub 
break with the Error 21.

Whats means it?

Ralph



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 19:49:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:49:15 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512011255340.10477-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <depp.1zdn9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Here is another. :) 



But i'm hoping mplayerplug-in do a better job, playing more smoothly
just like quicktime and wmplayer do.


-- 
depp



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Thu Dec  1 20:09:42 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:09:42 +0000
Subject: apt- et dist-upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051201200942.GA22621@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 10:24:51AM -0800, Vram wrote:

> I am on dial-up so.....
> 
> I just got a Breezy Badger  CD..
> 
> Can I change my Sources list to  CDROM
> 
> Do 
> 
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> on the CDROM
> 
> Then change my sources list to Breezy Badger
> 
> and do
> 
> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade....
> 
> Or is their a flaw in this plan...

Seems like a good idea to me to save bandwidth.

You may find that stuff that's not in main will break between the two
dist-upgrades but should fix itself with the the second dist-upgrade
when you go online.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 20:05:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:05:53 -0500
Subject: Problem with NZ breezy archive
References: <1130743770.10662.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200510312124.34822.obsidion@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <Huike.1zdo7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It's still doing this after 4 weeks. I manualy downloaded the
Release.gpg file and tried to import it but gpg reported it is no a gpg
key. Open it in vi and it has only a few lines, not actually a gpg key.
Something wrong with the Release.gpg key. Can somebody fix it please?
Thanks.


-- 
Huike



From drolyk at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 20:48:47 2005
From: drolyk at gmail.com (Makurin Roman)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:48:47 +0300
Subject: problem with xmodmap in xorg7rc2
Message-ID: <200512012348.54508.drolyk@gmail.com>

Hi All!

After upgrade to dapper I`ve got some problems. One of them is my xmodmap 
setup. In xorg.conf mouse(Logitech MX310) configuration looks like this:

----
Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
        Driver          "mouse"
        Option          "CorePointer"
        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
        Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
        Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "6 7"
EndSection
----

and my ~/.Xmodmap is:

----
pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5
keycode 234 = XF86Back
keycode 233 = XF86Forward
keycode 232 = XF86Stop
keycode 231 = XF86Refresh
keycode 229 = XF86Search
keycode 178 = XF86HomePage
keycode 236 = XF86Mail
keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute
keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume
keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume
keycode 162 = XF86AudioPlay
keycode 164 = XF86AudioStop
keycode 144 = XF86AudioPrev
keycode 153 = XF86AudioNext
keycode 223 = XF86Sleep
----

Everything works well before upgrade to dapper. Now I can`t get mosue wheel 
working. How can I get my mouse properly working ?
-- 
If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo,
  then Linux is Dolby Digital and all the music is free...
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From divan.santana at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 20:54:01 2005
From: divan.santana at gmail.com (Divan Santana)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:54:01 +0200
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
	<438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>
	<6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7ad2d410512011254m1c62dd3cr1e1e0f1bef61379c@mail.gmail.com>

I have Konverted from Windows to Kubuntu succesfully finally 100%!
Happy and proud! Best thing I ever now that it is complete and
working! Pretty much everything working.

On 12/1/05, Carlton Noles <carlton.noles at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not yet but I am working on it. I don't have networking yet. My goal is to
> get Ubuntu working then eventually completely convert my box . Until I get
> the networking sorted out though that is not even a remote possibility.
> Yes most universities to push Windows development because it is heavily
> subsidized by M$ and many businesses that use it or stand to benefit
> through
> teaching it.
>
> On 12/1/05, Peter McNab <mcnab_p at melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > MrKnisely wrote:
> >
> > > I've replaced Windows on many systems.
> > >
> > >
> > I'm trying to but ubuntu does not recognize either (not too ancient) PCI
> > network card and the online FAQs don't appear to address that aspect.
> >
> > Its looking like one needs to revert to XP just to run a browser and
> > Subversion repository.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlton "Kermit" Noles
> ==================
> Qui tacet consentit---"he who remains silent consents"
> ==================
> Want your own GMail Account?
> Ask Me for an invite.
>
>


--
Divan Santana



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Thu Dec  1 20:44:51 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:44:51 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

And for the other side... :)

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 00:49 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> Games on Computer are easily hackable, Jack uses one machine for
> jack's your work and play.

But Jack's smart and realizes that it's probably not such a good idea to
install a bunch of games on the same PC that he keeps all of his
financial data in.

> you buy computer because you know it is basic need, you dont have
> gaming machine under that list,

On the other hand, a console (unless you absolutely have to have one on
the day of release) will cost much less than a computer that's usable
for actual gaming - unless you consider gaming to be running SNES
emulators and MAME, that is.

> Computer is upgrade able, gaming machines are not.

More to the point, computers HAVE to be upgraded to keep up with games,
while a current game console does not.  The game console has a longer
usable life for gaming than a typical computer, and it usually costs
much less.  (How many of you haven't upgraded the computer you play
games on since 2000?  For reference, that's when the PS2 came out.)

Why do people use computers for games?
- They like the kinds of games that play better with a keyboard/mouse
than a handheld controller.  (FPS games, strategy games, MMORPGs, etc.)
These people think that console controllers stink.
- It's convenient if you're working on the computer ANYWAY.
- Emulation - MAME, console emulators are easily installable on a
computer.  Less so on a console (if at all).
- Mods are easier.
- Lots of homebrew games.
- The *#$* interlace flicker and poor resolution on cheap TVs that some
people hook their consoles to.

Why do people use consoles?
- Big screens and big sound.  Consoles are an easier fit in the home
entertainment room, since most are smaller than a gaming PC and less
noisy.
- No hassle.  On a console, you put in a game and play.  You don't have
to tweak a console just to get a game to run at an acceptable frame
rate.  You don't have to worry about whether the game is compatible with
your hardware.  You don't have to install anything - no drivers,
nothing.  (Okay, you might have to plug in bongos if you're into that
sort of thing, but ...)
- They like the kinds of games that play better with a console-type
controller.  (Fast action games, platformers, JRPGs, etc.)  These people
wonder how the heck anyone is supposed to play Silhouette Mirage with a
mouse and keyboard - or what passes for PC gamepads these days.
- Upgrades are easy.  Every five years or so, get a new console.
- Games on consoles tend to crash and/or lock up less.  Standardized
hardware DOES have some advantages, after all.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <rick at rickandpatty.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Web: http://www.rickandpatty.com
* Blog: http://shrimpandgrits.rickandpatty.com
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From jec at rptec.ch  Thu Dec  1 21:21:15 2005
From: jec at rptec.ch (Jean-Eric Cuendet)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:21:15 +0100
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <E1EhsvG-0002KQ-QE@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EhsvG-0002KQ-QE@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <438F694B.90207@rptec.ch>


> As I understand it we can't use Linux's software raid drvier 'md',
> because
> this would require us to delete the current 'fakeraid' partitions,
> destroying his data, and in any case there's no way Windows is going
> to run
> on Linux partitions so dual-boot would be impossible.

You are right. You'll need to destroy the partitions to create the MD
raid. But if you need RAID in Linux, I would suggest using MD. It's very
stable, fast and easy enough to be used by non-sys-admins.

> If there is no driver in the Ubuntu installer, then I think our
> options are:

Are you sure? Don't you think that Ubuntu has dmraid available in the setup?

> 1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the
> needed
> raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I don't 
> think
> he's willing to go to so much trouble.

That's not *that* hard except you'll need some spare disk...
Knoppix + tar is your friend in this case.

> 2. Rebuild the Ubuntu installer with the necessary raid support, then
> install. I have no idea what would be required here or how to rebuild 
> the Ubuntu installer.

me neither... Seems the really *hard* way...

> 3. Switch the bios to ATA, install Ubuntu, then install the raid
> support,
> then switch the BIOS back. Not sure if this is possible or not. Would

You'll need to scratch the disk partitions to do that I think...

> this
> work in the dual-boot situation?

For dual booting, why not using Partition1 of each disk for RAID using
SATA controller and Partition2 for Linux with software RAID on it?
I think it's your best luck... Don't know if SATA RAID let you make RAID
from partitions or only from whole disk.

Hope that helps.
-jec


-- 
JeSC - Software et Consulting
Jean-Eric Cuendet
1168 Villars-sous-Yens

Web       : http://jesc.ch / http://cuendet.biz
Tel       : +41 21 800 3343
Mobile    : +41 76 222 3343
--------------------------------------------------------




From jec at rptec.ch  Thu Dec  1 21:21:27 2005
From: jec at rptec.ch (Jean-Eric Cuendet)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:21:27 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <E1EhdEz-0000JD-LQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EhdEz-0000JD-LQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <438F6957.2030100@rptec.ch>


> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

I have completely replaced Windows with Linux. I use a laptop for Home
and personal consulting with Breezy on it. My wife also uses it and is
very happy with Breezy. She feared at first, but last week, she told me
that she wouldn't like to go back to Windows!

For my day work, in my company, I use Windows since we develop C++ apps
for it, so replacing by Linux is not an option...

Hope that answer to your question
-jec

-- 
JeSC - Software et Consulting
Jean-Eric Cuendet
1168 Villars-sous-Yens

Web       : http://jesc.ch / http://cuendet.biz
Tel       : +41 21 800 3343
Mobile    : +41 76 222 3343
--------------------------------------------------------




From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Thu Dec  1 21:48:53 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:48:53 +0000
Subject: Rhythmbox plays MP3s badly, then freezes.
Message-ID: <1133473733.22245.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I don't know how long this problem has existed on my system, as almost
all the music I have on the hard drive is in ogg format.  However there
are a few snatches of MP3, and now when I try to play them, the sound is
'choppy', as though there are tiny rewinds two or three times a second,
and the application freezes at the end of playing the track.  I haven't
found any error messages in the general logs, nor does running from
console (no options) result in any error messages.

The MP3 files themselves are OK, as I am able to play them in Totem.
This also reassures me that I have the codecs still installed.

Any suggestions?

Neil
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 21:49:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:49:40 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <ErnieB.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I did discover something else.  Ubuntu will boot if I move the HD from
the Trios directly to the IDE2.  Let me also explain why 6 drives.  I
work in a support center and at one time we were supporting our
software on W*95, 98,  ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  95 is no longer supported
so I have an extra drive and wanted to install a Linux version and
learn.



Now, here's what I tried.  With all three drives connected to the one
trios Ubuntu will boot to the splash screen then deliver the error
message and go no further.  I removed the power from the two "other"
drives that has Windoze installed, left Ubuntu connected to the Trios
and it booted fine.  I supsect Linux may be seeing the other two dirves
connected and naming them hda1 and hda2 and leaving Linux hda3.  Just my
uneducated guess.



I need to know how to find out where the grub.conf file is and see
where it is looking during boot up.



Thanks for your help.



ErnieB


-- 
ErnieB



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 21:52:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:52:03 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <E1EhdEz-0000JD-LQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<438F6957.2030100@rptec.ch>
Message-ID: <Ozitraveller.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Nope, I use .Net as a development environment, and Mono hasn't caught up
yet. And all of my corp client use sql server so total replacement is
unlikely in the short term. Although I will dual boot when the drake
comes out.


-- 
Ozitraveller



From mopringles at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec  1 22:08:44 2005
From: mopringles at xs4all.nl (Mo Pringles)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:08:44 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <438F746C.9030107@xs4all.nl>

DC Parris schreef:

>This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
>have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
>replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
>need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
>have completely replaced Windows.
>
>Thanks in advance for your time.
>Don
>  
>
It took me 10 months to realise that I didn't boot to Windows anymore. 
So since a month now, I single boot to Ubuntu.
-- 
Regards,

Mo



From james at grayonline.id.au  Thu Dec  1 20:56:30 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:56:30 +1100
Subject: gizmo project var. gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <200512020756.35305.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 22:02, Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 December 2005 02:05, David Hart wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 05:54 -0500, Chris Woods wrote:
> >> > Take a look at Jabber (http://jabber.org). If you're just looking for
> >> > internal IM and don't need collaboration with people on other IM
> >> > networks, Jabber might fit the bill, as you can run a Jabber server
> >> > internally.
> >>
> >> Jabber _does_ interoperate with other IM networks (AIM, MSN, Yahoo ...)
> >> if you install and configure the appropriate transports.
> >
> > Plus, once the transports are configured, you can set permissions on who
> > has
> > access to external IM networks, or whether file transfers are allowed,
> > etc.
> >
> > As a corporate IM gateway, Jabber is fantastic!
>
> How can you continue so much out-of your own choisen topics?
> The topic is "gizmo project"!

It's called "topic drift" - it happens.  Deal with it. The OP, in the 3rd 
message to this (his) thread shifted the focus from Gizmo to a corporate IM 
client.  Jabber and its associated clients are a good fit in that case.  This 
is not "my own chosen topic" but is the result of the OP's own questions.  :)

> Lets get back and help the project out. And why should we?
> Because the GizmoProject.com are a purely open-source project and quite
> open to free IP-telephone solutions.

Agreed.  Gizmo is a great project and progressing well!

> The last 3 days you cannot even download the Debian files, which are
> usefull to Ubuntu. Help them to structure their homepage to ease the
> download, please!

I'd love to help them out, but I don't have the necessary permissions the just 
waltz in and start editing their site.  I could (possibly) arrange a 
mirror...maybe.

Cheers,

James
-- 
First Law of Bicycling:
	No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind.
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From bastill at adam.com.au  Thu Dec  1 22:55:32 2005
From: bastill at adam.com.au (Brian Astill)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:25:32 +1030
Subject: Cursed cursors
In-Reply-To: <1133439778.20048.8.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:52 pm, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On do, 2005-12-01 at 21:58 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36 pm, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> > > On do, 2005-12-01 at 19:51 +1030, Brian Astill wrote:
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Try xcursor-themes
> >
> > Been there - done that!  :-)   Already installed.
> > I _think_ xcursor is only the standard cursors and doesn't include
> > anything larger.  I _could_ be wrong.
>
> I installed that package yesterday, and it has nice big cursors.

In which case my problem is not being able to access those themes.
I did a search and found:
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xcursor-themes.conffiles
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xcursor-themes.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xcursor-themes.md5sums
/var/cache/apt/archives/xcursor-themes_1.0.0-2_all.deb
/usr/share/doc/xcursor-themes
/usr/share/doc/xcursor-themes/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/xcursor-themes/copyright
/usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-xcursor.desktop
/usr/bin/xcursorgen
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/xcursor.pc
plus listings for libxcursor1

NONE of these are recognised by KDE's control centre as cursor themes.

SO there MUST be another way to access xcursor-themes.  Help, please.
<sob> 

-- 
Regards,
Brian



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  1 22:46:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:46:36 -0500
Subject: Rhythmbox plays MP3s badly, then freezes.
References: <1133473733.22245.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <welsh_spud.1zdvly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It wouldn't really solve the problem, but you could try Banshee media
player.


-- 
welsh_spud



From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Thu Dec  1 23:33:58 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:33:58 +0100
Subject: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your
 Box?
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> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.

I think the question is not relevant.

Linux is not ready to replace windows.

AND Linux does not want to replace windows.

Linux is a way of life and I am shure you do not want to push you way
of life to everybody

people are different

trust me
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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Thu Dec  1 23:49:39 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:49:39 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com>
	<ErnieB.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <00f001c5f6d1$e4ec3410$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> I did discover something else.  Ubuntu will boot if I move the HD from
> the Trios directly to the IDE2.

Useful info! Excellent. Therefore the problem is  not the computer hardware, 
the Ubuntu software and not the hard drive.

>  Let me also explain why 6 drives.  I
> work in a support center and at one time we were supporting our
> software on W*95, 98,  ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  95 is no longer supported
> so I have an extra drive and wanted to install a Linux version and
> learn.

Ah! OK, yesterday I was wondering why you didn't just get one or two bigger 
drives.

> Now, here's what I tried.  With all three drives connected to the one
> trios Ubuntu will boot to the splash screen then deliver the error
> message and go no further.  I removed the power from the two "other"
> drives that has Windoze installed, left Ubuntu connected to the Trios
> and it booted fine.

Good, so far. The problem, then, isn't the trios hardware since putting the 
trios between the hard drive and the computer gives the same result as 
putting the hard drive on the IDE controller.

>  I supsect Linux may be seeing the other two dirves
> connected and naming them hda1 and hda2 and leaving Linux hda3.  Just my
> uneducated guess.

You may be right! You have 3 drives connected to the trios. Therefore, you 
must have 3 data cables coming from the drives to the trio. Which data cable 
has priority? I'm thinking is that the ports on the trio might be 
"assignable". In other words you might be able to set the trio so the the 
Ubuntu "data" cable is "seen" first and therefore gets the name hda1 (might 
be a ROM based configuration program)?

I've also seen that some folks have to set the jumpers on their drives to 
use "cable select" rather than the more traditional master/slave. I don't 
know if that helps or not :)

> I need to know how to find out where the grub.conf file is and see
> where it is looking during boot up.
>

In Ubuntu go to Places and select Computer.
    Click on Filesystem, and look in /boot.
            In that folder is another folder called /grub.
                    In grub is a text file called menu.lst

That text file has the drive assignments that GRUB uses to decide who to 
boot first, second, etc. These show up during the boot sequence. Caution 
here, though. GRUB doesn't use names like hda1 hdb1. Rather it prefers names 
like hd(0,0)  and hd(1,0). Here's a link to the GRUB manual: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Device-syntax

Good luck with this!

Rob 




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Fri Dec  2 00:07:10 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:07:10 -0700
Subject: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on
	Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F8866.3090007@mx.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <011301c5f6d4$571b6540$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

>> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many 
>> people
>> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.
>
> I think the question is not relevant.

Correct.

> Linux is not ready to replace windows.

This is impossible to determine given that people use Linux and Windows for 
many similar things and many different things:
i)  if Windows is only used for email or web browsing then Linux could 
replace it.
ii) if Windows is used for running a Lexmark Z12 printer, then Linux is NOT 
ready to replace it.

Pick your software tools first, then decide what OS platform it needs to run 
on.

> AND Linux does not want to replace windows.

This is (sorta) true although I suspect Linux doesn't care about much, it's 
the community that cares/cares not.

> Linux is a way of life and I am shure you do not want to push you way
> of life to everybody
>
> people are different
>
> trust me

Linux is a tool, not a way of life. It may reflect a way of life or be a 
result of a bunch of people living a certain way of life, but in the end it 
is just a tool.

Rob 




From ogra at ubuntu.com  Fri Dec  2 00:23:14 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:23:14 +0100
Subject: apt- et dist-upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133482995.11531.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
On Do, 2005-12-01 at 10:24 -0800, Vram wrote:
> I just got a Breezy Badger  CD..
> Can I change my Sources list to  CDROM
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> on the CDROM
> Then change my sources list to Breezy Badger
> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade....

> Or is their a flaw in this plan...
yes, 
did you try to just put in the CD in your running hoary system ??
the update-notifier cares for all the above steps, no need to fiddle
with apt or your sources.list, it will pop up a message that asks you if
you want to upgrade your system if it detects a new ubuntu CD :)

ciao
	oli
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From carthik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 00:27:41 2005
From: carthik at gmail.com (Carthik Sharma)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:27:41 -0500
Subject: Use desktop monitor as an extension of Laptop monitor
Message-ID: <80f75db0512011627o50fed3d6o344733959cbbd2d5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Yes, I know about synergy :) but the problem I seek to solve does not
seem to be solvable using synergy.

The setup:

I have a laptop that is my primary workhorse at work. This has a Intel
graphics card that can do xinerama - dual-head display.

I have a desktop at work, with a monitor connected to it. This desktop
is used only as a print/file server - I hardly execute any commands on
it, but I use it when I 'forget' to bring my laptop. So I cannot use
this machine in a headless fashion.

What I would love to do is:

Use a software tool that enables me to use the desktop monitor as a
extension to my laptop monitor.
This tool should:
1. Still allow me to use the desktop monitor for the desktop (using a
keyboard shortcut or something similar?)
2. the moment I connect to the lan at work, and boot-up, I should be
able to magically extend my laptop's display to the desktop display as
an extended desktop. When I power my laptop off, the desktop display
should be used as a display by the desktop.


Right now, every morning, I unplug the monitor from the desktop, plug
it into my laptop, and use it as an extended monitor, and then reverse
it in the evening - this is a lot of work, and so i am increasingly
not doing this. The use of a software tool would be great to acheive
this.

I have heard things said about using vnc/x-over-ssh to extend
monitors, but haven't the slightest clue as to how to do this...

I love the synergy idea, too bad it does not let me use both monitors
for one computer when I want to...

Any ideas are welcome. Thank you for the patient ear (eye?)

:)
Carthik.
--
Ph.D. Candidate
University of Central Florida
Homepage: http://carthik.net

From carthik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 00:33:00 2005
From: carthik at gmail.com (Carthik Sharma)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:33:00 -0500
Subject: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on
	Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <011301c5f6d4$571b6540$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F8866.3090007@mx.homelinux.org>
	<011301c5f6d4$571b6540$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
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On 12/1/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Good afternoon!
>
> >> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> >> people
> >> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.
> >
> > I think the question is not relevant.
>
It does not _have_ to be relevant - the answer in my case is yes, I
have replaced windows with linux - for political/social reasons.

> > Linux is not ready to replace windows.

It is, since it can help users accomplish the same results, invariably.

> This is impossible to determine given that people use Linux and Windows for
> many similar things and many different things:
> i)  if Windows is only used for email or web browsing then Linux could
> replace it.
> ii) if Windows is used for running a Lexmark Z12 printer, then Linux is NOT
> ready to replace it.
>
> Pick your software tools first, then decide what OS platform it needs to run
> on.

On the contrary, you could pick your OS first, and then buy the
hardware that you can use with it - like windows and mac users do.
With linux, the software is free - so no pressure on that front. with
both linux and windows you pay for hardware, so no difference, really,
whether you use linux or windows.

> > AND Linux does not want to replace windows.
We aren't Linux, now, are we ?

> > Linux is a way of life and I am shure you do not want to push you way
> > of life to everybody

Friends don't let friends fail :)

> Linux is a tool, not a way of life. It may reflect a way of life or be a
> result of a bunch of people living a certain way of life, but in the end it
> is just a tool.

So is windows, and for some reasons, which are amply clear, Linux is a
better lifestyle choice for people with curiosity and the urge to
learn.

I hope I haven't added too much to an old topic...

Carthik.

--
Ph.D. Candidate
University of Central Florida
Homepage: http://carthik.net

From rcb at digitalanswers.biz  Fri Dec  2 00:57:48 2005
From: rcb at digitalanswers.biz (Rick Chagouri-Brindle)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:57:48 +0000
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370511302346w3c65388s546983291eb6662a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk>
	<438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<bbda83370511302346w3c65388s546983291eb6662a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438F9C0C.5030900@digitalanswers.biz>


Luca Manganelli wrote:

>On 12/1/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hopefully it will be in Breezy Backports within the next 30 days.....
>>    
>>
>
>30??? I hope next week!
>
>  
>
Me too !!!!



From rcb at digitalanswers.biz  Fri Dec  2 01:01:17 2005
From: rcb at digitalanswers.biz (Rick Chagouri-Brindle)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:01:17 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <438F9CDD.7060903@digitalanswers.biz>

Norman Silverstone wrote:

>>I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
>>have completely replaced Windows.
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, on my home desktop.
>
>Norman
>
Same here . . . and for most things at work too . . . as the IT Manager 
I can get away with having a Linux workstation most of the time . . .



From superbiskit at cox.net  Fri Dec  2 01:55:31 2005
From: superbiskit at cox.net (David A. Cobb)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:55:31 -0500
Subject: 'id' failing
Message-ID: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>

I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a couple 
of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save my 
/etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my 
(human) accounts. 

This latest time, when I login as "root" everything is fine.  But when I 
assume my normal persona, the bash prompt tells me "I don't have a 
name!"  If I 'ls' my home directory, it shows my (correct) UID#, but not 
my logname.  However, it does find my correct home directory and was 
able to log me in.  The value of environment var "USER" is set 
correctly.  However, if I type 'id' I only get numbers, no names for me 
or for any groups.  Similarly, 'groups' lists only numbers.  If I 
'finger' my logname, from my own account it fails (no such user) -- if I 
'finger' from 'root' it succeeds. 

No great surprise, I get permission problems in several places. 

Just before this particular disaster overtook me, I was beginning to set 
up 'pam'.  Is it likely that libpam is preventing me from retrieving my 
info correctly?  I could tear it out, of course, but I'm a little 
nervous that I'll make things worse.

Can anyone suggest where I should look?

TIA

-- 
David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!



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From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Fri Dec  2 02:01:14 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:01:14 -0500
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
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	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk> <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:57:48 +0000
Rick Chagouri-Brindle <rcb at digitalanswers.biz> wrote:

> 
> Luca Manganelli wrote:
> 
> >On 12/1/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hopefully it will be in Breezy Backports within the next 30 days.....
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >30??? I hope next week!
> >
> >  
> >
> Me too !!!!
> 


  I may have done something stupid (it's happened before) but I dl'ed
1.5 from the Fox servers last night, untarred it in my home directory,
and it runs like a champion. Is there any reason NOT to do this?



Cheers

Frank
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From superbiskit at cox.net  Fri Dec  2 02:07:51 2005
From: superbiskit at cox.net (David A. Cobb)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:07:51 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
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References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438FAC77.9020904@cox.net>

I haven't read the whole thread, so please pardon me if I repeat something.

One area that causes many conflicts has Ubuntu "ahead" of Debian.  
Ubuntu is stabilized on Python 2.4, whereas Debian packages all demand 
<2.4 (Python 2.3 is "official"). 

The problem is exacerbated because 'apt' interprets the dependency on 
what seems a "broken" manner.  "Depends: Python < 2.4" would seem to be 
satisfied by the presence of Python-2.3.  However, apt is interpreting 
this as "Conflicts: Python >= 2.4".  (I'll try  to say more on that 
subject elsewhere and later).

Anyway, it's very difficult to pick and choose on the basis of who is 
more or less stable (speaking, of course, only of the software).  It's 
bound to vary from week to week. 

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hello,
> >From what I read on the lists it seems that Ubuntu's unstable is
> generally more broken than Debian's, making me feel safer using Sid.
> Could anyone confirm this.
> Thanks...
>
>   

-- 
David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!



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From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Fri Dec  2 02:17:52 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott Henson)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:17:52 -0500
Subject: 'id' failing
In-Reply-To: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
References: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
Message-ID: <438FAED0.9080301@csee.wvu.edu>

David A. Cobb wrote:

> I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a
> couple of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save my
> /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my
> (human) accounts. 
>
>
> Can anyone suggest where I should look?


Your /etc/passwd likely has bad premisions.
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    769 2005-10-20 09:48 group
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   1357 2005-10-20 09:48 passwd
-rw-r-----  1 root shadow  891 2005-10-20 09:48 shadow



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Fri Dec  2 02:31:08 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:31:08 -0700
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438FB1EC.2030306@angrykeyboarder.com>

Sean Hammond wrote:
> So I know someone who has two drives in a SATA RAID 0 stripe, using a
> Silicon Image 3112A chip (which is fakeraid), and was wondering if
> anyone with Linux raid experience might be able to offer anything.
> 
> He has Windows XP installed currently, and might be interested enough to
> install Ubuntu if it can dual-boot, but has given up because the
> complications introduced by his RAID setup were too much.

I had the same problem and gave up for months.  But I got interested
again as I was determined (and my support warranty on my computer was
nearing it's end).

From all the research I've done, I've found that SATA RAID 0 is not
possible with Linux, under any circumstances.   RAID 1? Yes.  RAID 0? No.

My computer is "in the shop" at the moment for an unrelated matter but
I've concluded my best option is to simply disable RAID entirely and
install Windoze on the first hard disk and Linux on the second.

I was just starting to work that out when my video card decided to give
up.  I have an ASUS mobo with a VIA K8T800 chipset.  The mobo comes with
an two integrated RAID controllers.  one from Promise and the other from
VIA.  The Promise was giving me trouble when I tried to disable it, so I
was bout to try switching the hard drive to the VIA (tech support
suggested this would probably work out for me in the end).

We'll see....

Now had my PC maker not enabled RAID in the first place (as instructed)
you'd not be reading this now...

Remind me not to buy from www.abspc.com again.

But I digress.....

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Fri Dec  2 02:35:54 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:35:54 -0700
Subject: how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512010817t7cc293eakb6c87559d06e5ab0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512010817t7cc293eakb6c87559d06e5ab0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438FB30A.7060702@angrykeyboarder.com>

Darryl Clarke wrote:
> On 12/1/05, Jeff Co <hanzjordan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
> 
> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that basically contains a list of
> dependancies to give you the default desktop environment.
> 
> this meta package contains gnome-games, so if you remove it, you
> remove the meta-package.
> 
> It won't hurt if it's gone.
> 
> Worry if it starts removing other gnome-* packages too ;)
> 
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> 

The only problem with removing this package is that if/when you
dist-upgrade later on it can get ugly.

The solution?  Remember to reinstall ubuntu-desktop before doing that.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From uid000 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 02:54:43 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:54:43 -0500
Subject: how can i remove gnome-games while keeping ubuntu-desktop?
In-Reply-To: <438FB30A.7060702@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <a937801a0512010501ya19f5a7he7433e327a61beff@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512010817t7cc293eakb6c87559d06e5ab0@mail.gmail.com>
	<438FB30A.7060702@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512011854l78812c1bi6ec8c83ca18369a6@mail.gmail.com>

To be clear, I think Scott is referring to doing a dist-upgrade go
from one release to the next, e.g. 5.10 to 6.04.  This is because the
ubuntu-desktop metapackage is sometimes responsible for bringing new
packages along with it as it gets upgraded.  those new packages might
get left out if ubuntu-desktop is missing.  However doing a
dist-upgrade within your current release should be should be safe even
if ubuntu-desktop has been removed.

On 12/1/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
>
> The only problem with removing this package is that if/when you
> dist-upgrade later on it can get ugly.
>
> The solution?  Remember to reinstall ubuntu-desktop before doing that.
>
> --
> Scott
> www.angrykeyboarder.com
> (c) 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
>



From superbiskit at cox.net  Fri Dec  2 03:00:57 2005
From: superbiskit at cox.net (David A. Cobb)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:00:57 -0500
Subject: 'id' failing
In-Reply-To: <438FAED0.9080301@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net> <438FAED0.9080301@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <438FB8E9.9000301@cox.net>

Scott, BINGO!  Many thanks

Scott Henson wrote:
> David A. Cobb wrote:
>
>   
>> I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a
>> couple of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save my
>> /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my
>> (human) accounts. 
>>
>>
>> Can anyone suggest where I should look?
>>     
>
>
> Your /etc/passwd likely has bad premisions.
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    769 2005-10-20 09:48 group
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   1357 2005-10-20 09:48 passwd
> -rw-r-----  1 root shadow  891 2005-10-20 09:48 shadow
>
>   

-- 
David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!



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From bfwalker at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 03:07:02 2005
From: bfwalker at gmail.com (Brian Walker)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:07:02 +0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F9CDD.7060903@digitalanswers.biz>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<438F9CDD.7060903@digitalanswers.biz>
Message-ID: <54f1b6eb0512011907s45a39db5ydb3b418974dad3a1@mail.gmail.com>

No dual-booters? Sorry ... I _almost exclusively_ use Ubuntu Breezy on my
work box, at home (my wife's old laptop) we are only using Puppy linux (and
I can highly recommend it for resurrecting older machines which run sooooo
sloooooowly on newer *nix) .... but I use the occasional foray into XP when
I have borked my Ubuntu.

Like now, when I cannot get the printer to print because of a driver issue.
Rather than taking the purist approach of studying the problem and fixing
it, I procrastinate. So XP has it's uses. Not many, I admit, but you can
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From stanb at panix.com  Fri Dec  2 04:15:36 2005
From: stanb at panix.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:15:36 -0500
Subject: Problems with arrow keys in totem
Message-ID: <20051202041535.GA9058@teddy.fas.com>

I've got a problem with the aarrow keys in totem  while playing video
files. According to the man pages, various combinations of the arrow keys,
shift, and control should allow me to jump forward or  back.

However, when I hit either  either right, or left arrow key, the  playback
freezes. I've duplicated this problem on 2 different machines.

How can I fix this?

-- 
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror 
- New York Times 9/3/1967



From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Fri Dec  2 05:08:23 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:08:23 -0500
Subject: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on
	Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <438F8866.3090007@mx.homelinux.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<438F8866.3090007@mx.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <200512020008.24282.dcparris@matheteuo.org>

On Thursday 01 December 2005 06:33 pm, Christian Eichert wrote:
> DC Parris wrote:
> > This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> > people have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.
>
> I think the question is not relevant.
>

Not relevant to what?  It may not seem relevant to your interests.  However, 
that does not make it irrelevant in some general sense.  I don't know how to 
help you here.

> Linux is not ready to replace windows.
>

This is an inaccurate statement.  Every person who has posted that they have 
replaced Windows proves my point.  I only use it at my other job because 
that's what they have been using for the last 15 years or so.  I have 
replaced in, not only for my home, but also for our ministry.  Your statement 
would be much more accurate if you said GNU/Linux is not ready to run native 
Windows apps, or something like that.

> AND Linux does not want to replace windows.
>

GNU/Linux doesn't.  I do.  So, apparently, do many others.  I wrote an article 
called "A Year Without Windows".  You'll find it on LXer.com.  Search for the 
title.

> Linux is a way of life and I am shure you do not want to push you way
> of life to everybody
>

GNU Philosophy is more a way of life than GNU/Linux, which is merely an OS.  
It is difficult to see how an OS can become a way of life.  I agree that it's 
a tool.

> people are different
>
> trust me

I don't have to trust you.  I'm well into adulthood.  I know from experience 
that people are different.  I gather that you have not replaced Windows 
altogether?

Peace,
Don
-- 
Rev. DC Parris,   Pastor
Oakdale Christian Fellowship
http://matheteuo.org/
(704) 398-1506



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 04:52:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:52:31 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130165724.GD22403@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <dudus.1zec9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Shot - Piotr Szotkowski Wrote: 
> Hello.

> So far, I've backported for myself the following without a problem:

> Dosage 1.5.5, Firefox 1.5, Gtodo 0.14+CVS, lighttpd 1.4.8, mc 4.6.1,

> PHPPgAdmin 3.5.6, Quod Libet 0.15, Rails 0.14.3, Unison 2.13.16 and

> X-Moto 0.1.8.

> 



What do you mean about 'backported to yourself'?

Did you package this and you run a repositorie server from you local
machine?Is this it. Could you show me the way to do something like
this. I can't install firefox 1.5 and mysql5 without compiling it
direct for instance


-- 
dudus



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec  2 05:48:40 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:48:40 -0800
Subject: 'id' failing
In-Reply-To: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
References: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1133502521.10405.294.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 20:55 -0500, David A. Cobb wrote:
> I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a
> couple of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save
> my /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my
> (human) accounts.  
> 



Why are you saving this stuff???

You are starting over

Just Wondering?

Vram



> This latest time, when I login as "root" everything is fine.  But when
> I assume my normal persona, the bash prompt tells me "I don't have a
> name!"  If I 'ls' my home directory, it shows my (correct) UID#, but
> not my logname.  However, it does find my correct home directory and
> was able to log me in.  The value of environment var "USER" is set
> correctly.  However, if I type 'id' I only get numbers, no names for
> me or for any groups.  Similarly, 'groups' lists only numbers.  If I
> 'finger' my logname, from my own account it fails (no such user) -- if
> I 'finger' from 'root' it succeeds.  
> 
> No great surprise, I get permission problems in several places.  
> 
> Just before this particular disaster overtook me, I was beginning to
> set up 'pam'.  Is it likely that libpam is preventing me from
> retrieving my info correctly?  I could tear it out, of course, but I'm
> a little nervous that I'll make things worse.
> 
> Can anyone suggest where I should look?
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
> "By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
> Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
> Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!
> 
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 05:57:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:57:21 -0500
Subject: LSI MegaRaid 150-6 RAID Controler
References: <42CE424B.7060906@albalinux.org>
	<20050708141008.GB31670@icarus.conall.net>
Message-ID: <Undertwotimes.1zef1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yeah I have a simular problem with the same card, except mine boots and
mounts fine, but when you copy lots of stuff to it, it will get I/O
errors.  If you do small copies for short durations it works fine. 
Seems like a driver issue to me.  



Here are the modules ubuntu is using:



scsi_mod              135688  2 sd_mod,megaraid_mbox

megaraid_mm            11068  1 megaraid_mbox



Any ideas?



Thanks.


-- 
Undertwotimes



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 06:10:00 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:10:00 -0500
Subject: nForce4 and Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <438E4EFF.7010109@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <4385E81B.4070900@rptec.ch> <438E4EFF.7010109@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <438FE538.4060809@cfl.rr.com>

I just thought I would share in case you were interested:

I have an Asus K8V Deluxe motherboard and am dual booting ubuntu and 
winxp on dual sata 10,000 rpm 36 gig WD raptors configured in a hardware 
fakeraid raid0.  It was difficult to figure out how to get going, but 
once I did, I wrote a howto on the ubuntu wiki to explain it to others, 
then it isn't so hard.

Scott wrote:
> Jean-Eric Cuendet wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>This mail to tell that my AMD64 machine with nForce4 chipset (ASUS 
>>A8N-E) and SATA disks works beautifully with Ubuntu Breezy.
>>No problems so far, all is recognized (SATA, Sound, USB, Network).
>>Just for archive.
>>Bye.
>>-jec
>>
> 
> 
> Do you have more than one internal hard drive and if so, are they
> configured in any kind or RAID?
> 
> 




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec  2 07:24:44 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:24:44 -0800
Subject: apt- et dist-upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1133482995.11531.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133461492.10405.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133482995.11531.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133508285.10405.309.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 01:23 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> On Do, 2005-12-01 at 10:24 -0800, Vram wrote:
> > I just got a Breezy Badger  CD..
> > Can I change my Sources list to  CDROM
> > apt-get dist-upgrade
> > on the CDROM
> > Then change my sources list to Breezy Badger
> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade....
> 
> > Or is their a flaw in this plan...
> yes, 
> did you try to just put in the CD in your running hoary system ??
> the update-notifier cares for all the above steps, no need to fiddle
> with apt or your sources.list, it will pop up a message that asks you if
> you want to upgrade your system if it detects a new ubuntu CD :)
> 
> ciao
> 	oli


HI

Thanks for the reply

This is my production machine.
So before I do anything..  

I want to be sure...

Thanks for the excellent feedback..

Probably this week end I will give it a  shot..


I dist-upgraded this maching to hoary all over the net.
It took a week..  I want to avoid that.  <hehe>


Thanks again

Vram






From revant.one at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:33:01 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:03:01 +0530
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>

I use computer the most, but for fun i want to play GTA SA under
minimum settings and with slowcomp mode.

I want to watch XviDs and hear oggs!



From tshepang at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:42:11 2005
From: tshepang at gmail.com (Tshepang Lekhonkhobe)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:42:11 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0512010802s11184d6ay2df82c8417526791@mail.gmail.com>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
	<857993970511302152j15f68bb4we12ab707780e7170@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0512010802s11184d6ay2df82c8417526791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <857993970512012342m44c4dcddp4e4c04614e1fd550@mail.gmail.com>

> > I'm not. I like Debian 'testing' except when it has missing and broken
> > packages (like it does now) so I switched to Debian 'unstable'. This
> > is very recent and so far/therefore I haven't experienced much
> > trouble. I was wondering about an alternative switch to Dapper
> > 'unstable'.
> >
>
> Wait, wait, wait...
>
> You say testing is too broken, so you went to unstable?
>
> unstable is by design more broken than testing, right?  I believe they
> have to be stable enough in unstable before they get moved to testing.

By design, but not at the moment... and I don't like mixing them.
There's too many missing packages in testing, but of course there are
excellent reasons why and that means I'm not against it at all (don't
mistaken me). Anyways, Sid, here I come.



From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:02:26 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:02:26 +0800
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>

Reasons why I play Games wholly and Solely on the PC.
1) I don't want to fork out for a games console AND a PC.
2) 1280x1024@ 32 with 60fps+
3) Hate. Console designed controls based around 8way thumb switch and 6 buttons.
4) Play without media, so I don't damage any of my game media or
lose/have them stolen at other houses/lan sessions.
5) PC games (that is games made for PC first and not made for Console
then ported to PC) tend to have more content.

When the PS3 hits the shelve i _may_ reconsider, but I doubt it.



--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH
YOUR WINDOW, YOU ACCEPT IT AS IS AND AGREE TO MY DISCLAIMER OF ALL
WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS WELL AS DISCLAIMERS OF ALL
LIABILITY, DIRECT, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL, THAT MAY
ARISE FROM THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BRICK INTO YOUR BUILDING." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From shot at hot.pl  Fri Dec  2 08:31:51 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:31:51 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <dudus.1zec9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130165724.GD22403@chastell.shot.pl>
	<dudus.1zec9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051202083151.GK8948@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

'Forum Post:

> Shot - Piotr Szotkowski Wrote: 

>> So far, I've backported for myself the following without a problem:
>> Dosage 1.5.5, Firefox 1.5, Gtodo 0.14+CVS, lighttpd 1.4.8, mc 4.6.1,
>> PHPPgAdmin 3.5.6, Quod Libet 0.15, Rails 0.14.3, Unison 2.13.16 and
>> X-Moto 0.1.8.

> What do you mean about 'backported to yourself'?

For myself. I mean I took the Dapper or Debian sid source packages,
extracted them, patched with the diffs, satisfied the build-deps and
rebuilt with `fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage`.

> Did you package this and you run a repositorie
> server from you local machine?

No, I didn't get to this point yet.
I simply `dpkg -i` the resulting .debs.

> Could you show me the way to do something like this. I can't install
> firefox 1.5 and mysql5 without compiling it direct for instance

Backporting Firefox 1.5 is risky (see the threads on ubuntu-devel
and ubuntu-backports), as it breaks most (all?) packages built agains
firefox-dev. I'm not sure about MySQL 5.

As for backporting, if the debs in question aren't directly installable
(a lot can be simply installed from Dapper/Debian sid after satisfying
the dependencies by Breezy packages) my general procedure is to:

1. download the source orig.tar.gz and diff.gz
2. unpack the original source and patch it
3. `chmod +x debian/rules`
4. update the changelog (adding ~0shot1 as the rebuilt's version, etc.)
5. `fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage` (satisfying the build-deps if needed)
6. wait for the build to complete

After this, the new .debs are ready. :o)

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
       The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are
       composed entirely of lost airline luggage.        -- Mark Russell
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:42:15 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:42:15 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <54f1b6eb0512011907s45a39db5ydb3b418974dad3a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Well Ubuntu has finally replaced windows at home, and now windows at work
has got the boot.

Im 100% Ubuntu @ home and @ the office and will not start converting out
call centre over as soon as I get it just right ;)
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From almilis at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 09:00:22 2005
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:00:22 +0700
Subject: How to disable/re-enable touchpad on toshiba laptops?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90511281735l3c3beea7jc196560a8922003f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90511281735l3c3beea7jc196560a8922003f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36135600512020100v222843c7p7bc405e03872738a@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there some way to make this work or perhaps some other way to
> change it's parameters?

This following works for me; but I am not sure if this works for your
system too... Atuh da, wayahna...

Edit/modify in "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

Section "InputDevice"
     Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad"
     Driver     "synaptics"
     Option    "SendCoreEvents" "true"
     Option    "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
     Option    "Protocol"             "auto-dev"
     Option    "HorizScrollDelta"  "0"
     Option    "MaxTapTime"       "0"
     Option    "MaxTapMove"       "0"
EndSection


--
 Ali Milis.



From fblaise at jaolin.net  Fri Dec  2 09:11:34 2005
From: fblaise at jaolin.net (Fred Blaise)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:11:34 +0100
Subject: xorg, kwin issues
Message-ID: <1133514694.8560.4.camel@lapdance.vitlan.lux>

Hi all

I am attempting to use kwin instead of metacity. It works ok for most of
it. I am using Breezy.

However, my xorg crashes if I put the following in my xorg.conf:

Section        "Extensions"
       Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

signal 11...

Also, my keyboard shorcuts are not working anymore. Nor the ones in
metacity or the ones i can configure in kontrol. Any ideas?

Thanks.

chap
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From fblaise at jaolin.net  Fri Dec  2 09:34:43 2005
From: fblaise at jaolin.net (Fred Blaise)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:34:43 +0100
Subject: xorg, kwin issues
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On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 10:11 +0100, Fred Blaise wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am attempting to use kwin instead of metacity. It works ok for most of
> it. I am using Breezy.
> 
> However, my xorg crashes if I put the following in my xorg.conf:
> 
> Section        "Extensions"
>        Option "Composite" "Enable"
> EndSection
> 
> signal 11...
Attached is the log of the crashing xorg, when composite is enabled.

> 
> Also, my keyboard shorcuts are not working anymore. Nor the ones in
> metacity or the ones i can configure in kontrol. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> chap
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From babis85 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 09:34:01 2005
From: babis85 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-7?B?zenq7+vc7/Ug1+Hx3Ovh7PDv8g==?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:34:01 +0200
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on a laptop (hotplug problem)
In-Reply-To: <1133437948.8343.71.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <c38a359b0512010234y577092b6w4330dcae1ac27c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133437948.8343.71.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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My laptop was composed by a local store, so is not a kind of brand.

On 12/1/05, Zunbeltz Izaola <zunbeltz at wm.lc.ehu.es> wrote:
>
> Jatorrizko mezua: data: og., 2005-12-01 12:34 +0200, egilea: Νικολάου
> Χαράλαμπος
> > Hello, i tried to install Ubuntu on my laptop , but after finishing
> > the first stage of installation and reboot the computer, it stopped
> > responding
> > at the point of hotplug. What i am supposed to do, to solve this
> > problem ?
>
>
> What laptop do you have. See here
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam if your laptop is listed and
> if there is problem for the tester.
>
> regards,
>
> Zunbeltz
>
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Η τελειότητα επιτυγχάνεται στο σημείο κατάρρευσης!
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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>


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From rstoffers at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 09:51:09 2005
From: rstoffers at gmail.com (Robert Stoffers)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:51:09 +1000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512020042na4c02c1l9213a2644987b5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1133425057.15452.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<438F9CDD.7060903@digitalanswers.biz>
	<54f1b6eb0512011907s45a39db5ydb3b418974dad3a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<80f459360512020042na4c02c1l9213a2644987b5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133517069.9583.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 08:42 +0000, Aaron Kiley wrote:
> Well Ubuntu has finally replaced windows at home, and now windows at
> work has got the boot.
> 
> Im 100% Ubuntu @ home and @ the office and will not start converting
> out call centre over as soon as I get it just right ;)
> 
> 

Lucky you. I'm going through an XP install-athon a work, but not by
choice (but because I like to get paid).


-- 
Robert Stoffers
Author/Maintainer - Ubuntu Starter Guide
Ubuntu Documentation Team





From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:29:52 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:29:52 +0000
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <3f1760512020229m1f52ce5fj@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/12/05, Johann Spies <js at wdsl.co.za> wrote:

> Just to make your choice a bit more complicated:  Have a look at
> Ruby too.

Definitely. Great language.

See for yourself:   http://tryruby.hobix.com/


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From a.giuliano at iccu.sbn.it  Fri Dec  2 10:36:04 2005
From: a.giuliano at iccu.sbn.it (Andrea Giuliano)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:36:04 +0100
Subject: [breezy] Nautilus cannot browse Windows network...
Message-ID: <43902394.6090801@iccu.sbn.it>

Hi,

my problem is quite simple: I can access any Windows box in my LAN with 
smbclient (provided I have the rights to do it), but when I try to do it 
with Nautilus it always ask me to authenticate on a specific host. Since 
I cannot do that, because I'm not a user on that host, the result is an 
empty window.

Somewhere I read some entusiastic users' comments, saying that Nautilus 
browse Windows network very well, but I did just with Hoary, not with 
Breezy.

Where do I'm wrong?

Best regards.

-- 
Andrea Giuliano, Ph. D.
ICCU - Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico
Viale Castro Pretorio 105, Rome - ITALY
Tel. +39 06 49210403, Fax +39 06 4959302



From elitepenguin at gmx.net  Fri Dec  2 10:43:19 2005
From: elitepenguin at gmx.net (Nils)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:43:19 +0100
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>

python python python ;-)

well all languages have pros and cons..

I gave a speak about python at the local linux user group
(http://phuturetech.info/svn/doc/lug/pyvortrag.pdf in german
unfortunately) some time ago. I think python is a well readable
language with which you can code a lot of stuff in much less time then
Java and C.

There is also enough tutorials, books, etc about python. A good one is
for example: http://diveintopython.org/

Regards
Nils



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:52:19 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:52:19 +0100
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
	<2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Nils <elitepenguin at gmx.net> wrote:
> python python python ;-)

No, perl perl and perl :-)



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 11:04:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:04:04 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <Kamping_Kaiser.1zetva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


DC Parris Wrote: 
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> people

> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not

> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's
> no

> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who

> have completely replaced Windows.

> 

> Thanks in advance for your time.

> Don

> 



Yes, on my Desktop, my parents desktop and my laptop (which arived with
windows, had dban run on it, then ubuntu installed).

It would run on my server as well, but i feel debian still has the edge
there.

I have also helped several mates get familiar enough to dual boot, with
windows being a thing for stuff that will wont run under linux nicely.
(autocad, as mentioned before, and games).

As for what do i do for gaming? i dont. i play gnometris to pass a bit
of time, but no longer play any of the games i bought for windows.

*goes to buy quake 3*


-- 
Kamping_Kaiser



From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Fri Dec  2 11:30:04 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:30:04 +0100
Subject: Upgrading Hoary to Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051130T191527-194@post.gmane.org>
References: <dmbemh$38m$1@sea.gmane.org>	<e40e29dd0511270426v26f0adc7w@mail.gmail.com>	<loom.20051128T185904-641@post.gmane.org>	<cb39d0990511281118u527a18d3u99c42cc609389177@mail.gmail.com>	<dmiq66$l3t$1@sea.gmane.org>
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Hakim Singhji wrote:
> Hakim Singhji <hzs202 <at> nyu.edu> writes:
> 
>>hometoast wrote:
>>
>>>that message is instructing you to do this:
>>>$ export LANGUAGE="en"
>>>$ export LC_ALL="unset"
>>>$ export LANGUAGE="UTF-8-US"
>>
>>Should I include the above in my .bashrc file so that I do not have to
>>type this everytime I login?
> 
> I resolved this problem by issuing the following command:
> 
> $ sudo apt-get install language-base-en lang-support-en


- - leave the .bashrc alone
- - dpkg-reconfigure locales

choose your en_US or something


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From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Fri Dec  2 11:35:17 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:35:17 +0100
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk>
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Scott wrote:

> It's beta no more. It became final yesterday.
> 
> http://angrykeyboarder.com/firefox
> 
> Hopefully it will be in Breezy Backports within the next 30 days.....
> 

History repeats

Looking for Firefox or Thunderbird? You'll find them and a whole lot
more at Mozilla.com

www.mozilla.com ????

YESSS

I smell $

The next step is to pay for it, right ?



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From sepheebear at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 11:44:38 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:44:38 -0500
Subject: GDM with user album
In-Reply-To: <438B4A5F.8000301@iseli.org>
References: <438B4A5F.8000301@iseli.org>
Message-ID: <7d23802cc4a9a3fed9f3269b92bcde9a@gmail.com>

<quote who="Erich Reto Iseli" on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 01:20:15PM EST>

> Hello all,
>
> This was not satisfactory to me, so I created a new theme called
> HumanList, a variation from the default theme Human. It has a user 
> album
> however it behaves not exactly as I would expect: when clicking on a
> user icon, the user should be prompted for his password directly. What 
> I
> get however, is just the username field filled in. I still have to 
> press
> enter to get the password field. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with 
> my
> theme?

Ah this was a pet peeve of mines too and I ran into the same thing. 
Probably
a GDM bug, but a bit of digging revealed that the cause of this is the 
lack
of the "pam-message" item.

In my case, I ignored it because I didnt want it, but found out that the
auto-magic password prompt does not work without it. So, add the 
following
lines, position and style it any way you like and that should do the 
trick:

<item type="label" id="pam-message">
     <pos x=" " y=" "anchor=" "/>
     <normal font=" " color=" "/>
     <text/>
</item>

If you dont like the text showing, just position it behind the 
user-list.

> Thanks for your insight.
>
> Erich aka ricky

-- 
  "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude 
than the
animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your 
counsels or
arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit
lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
         --Samuel Adams




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 11:59:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:59:54 -0500
Subject: How to disable/re-enable touchpad on toshiba laptops?
References: <d12e5c90511281735l3c3beea7jc196560a8922003f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Raoul.Duke.1zevpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


With the synaptics driver you disable touchpad with
#synclient touchpadoff=1

and enable with
#synclient touchpadoff=0

You can easily make a script to do this on Fn-F9 in /etc/acpi following
the other examples in there.

On mine (Tosh Satellite 2450) the synaptics driver breaks suspend so I
use

	Driver		"mouse"

instead of 

	Driver		"synaptics"

in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Now, I just disable the touchpad with "modprobe -r psmouse"
and load when needed with "modprobe psmouse", and these actions tied to
Fn-F9
Cheers


-- 
Raoul Duke



From zoranj at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:06:24 2005
From: zoranj at gmail.com (Zoran)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 04:06:24 -0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <184dced10512020406v266e5f03v945787297dd173db@mail.gmail.com>

Since Warty I've ben 100% Windows free on my server, desktop and laptop.
However, I replaced hoary on my server with Knoppmyth as it was easier setup
of Mythtv, but still debian under the hood :)


On 11/30/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
>
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don
> --
> DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate
> http://matheteuo.org/
> "Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From uid000 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:35:17 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:35:17 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
	<515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>

Just came across this very timely article on linuxjournal.com
addressing use of rsync to do  backups to spare disks, backup servers,
or offsite servers.  Very informative.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8590

On 12/1/05, Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Anders for confirming what I thought I knew ;)
>
> *grin* I guess there is something good coming from having worked in
> storage for a few years. :)
>
> > I'm going to put the OS on a separate, old 8GB drive I have.  The only
> > thing I haven't decided on is whether to mirror that with another old
> > 8GB drive or just backup a few select directories to make it easier to
> > rebuild if it goes bad.
>
> If you can, do both. Belts and braces approach is handy if you rely on
> the system.
>
> --
> Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:42:33 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:12:33 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
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OK I got ifp-Gnome working in Breezy Badger.But how do I use it as a normal
user.Each time I have to login as root and then run ifp-gnome form the
terminal..
Cheers
Vignesh

On 11/17/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Or the other option in the tux magazine is to change it into  a usb device
> by upgrading the usb firmware..Is this process reversible that I can change
> it back into what it is now by upgrading the firmware again..Tell me which
> is better .
>
> Vignesh
>
>
> On 11/17/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I installed ifp-line it works fine.Still have to learn it.I found it in
> > Hoary repository.I downloaded iFp-Gnome.But it depends on python-pyifp4
> > or something which I can`t find.Can you send me the package if you have
> > it..
> >
> > Cheers
> > Vignesh
> >
> >
> >  On 11/17/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry I forgot.I already have all the issues of Tux Magazine and
> > > forgot to check it out.Thanks guys..
> > > Vignesh
> > >
> > >
> > >  On 11/16/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zach Wrote:
> > > > > The October issue of Tux Magazine, http://www.tuxmagazine.com ,
> > > > which
> > > >
> > > > > is available free in PDF format, has a really good article on
> > > > getting
> > > >
> > > > > iRiver Digital Audio Players working with linux.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > One of the methods described, and the one they recommend, involves
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > updating the firmware on your device so that it is recognized as a
> > > > USB
> > > >
> > > > > Mass Storage Class device.  With this method, no additional
> > > > software
> > > >
> > > > > is required.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You can download the issues of Tux for free, but they do require
> > > > you
> > > >
> > > > > to register with your email address.  It's a very well produced
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > > well written e-Magazine though, and worth it.  I generally read
> > > > every
> > > >
> > > > > article.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/16/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> > > > > wrote:[color=blue]
> > > >
> > > > > > So the only packages I need are ifp-line and maybe gnome gui
> > > > tool to
> > > >
> > > > > > transfre songs.Am I right ?
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Vignesh
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Zach from the Tux article info. It was really good and
> > > > clarified
> > > > > using iRiver a lot.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Vignes, Tux article explains it much better than I can, but you do
> > > > not
> > > > > necessarily need any other package than ifp-line. With that you
> > > > can
> > > > > transfer songs from terminal. Unfortunately there does not seem to
> > > > be
> > > > > GUI tool available as Ubuntu package, but if you want to have one
> > > > Tux
> > > > > article explains how to install one from source.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ufo
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:48:52 2005
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:48:52 -0600
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <20051201210114.29df9ba2.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
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On 12/1/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>   I may have done something stupid (it's happened before) but I dl'ed
> 1.5 from the Fox servers last night, untarred it in my home directory,
> and it runs like a champion. Is there any reason NOT to do this?


The only reason(s) not to do it have to do with the package management. That
package is no longer being managed by apt, so when you update Ubuntu it will
not get upgraded and/or the  standard Ubuntu Firefox package will (or won't,
if you removed it) get updated and you won't be using whatever security
patches are applied. You're now running an "official" Mozilla version,
whereas before you were running the Ubuntu packaged version (which has some
differences from the official).

You could learn how to make your own .deb package from the tarball, then you
can install it using dpkg -i package_name.deb -- that way when it comes time
to update it, the removal would happen through your normal software update
tool (synaptic, apt-get, the Ubuntu update utility, whatever).

The other advantage to learning to make your own package is if you do that,
then learn more about it and then you could be yet another person helping to
keep Ubuntu updated for everyone!
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From shchoi at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:56:20 2005
From: shchoi at gmail.com (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:56:20 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks all to discuss this matter.

One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
connection, not multiple, isn't it?

SH

On 12/2/05, Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just came across this very timely article on linuxjournal.com
> addressing use of rsync to do  backups to spare disks, backup servers,
> or offsite servers.  Very informative.
>
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8590
>
> On 12/1/05, Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Anders for confirming what I thought I knew ;)
> >
> > *grin* I guess there is something good coming from having worked in
> > storage for a few years. :)
> >
> > > I'm going to put the OS on a separate, old 8GB drive I have.  The only
> > > thing I haven't decided on is whether to mirror that with another old
> > > 8GB drive or just backup a few select directories to make it easier to
> > > rebuild if it goes bad.
> >
> > If you can, do both. Belts and braces approach is handy if you rely on
> > the system.
> >
> > --
> > Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> If you reply to a message I posted to a mailing list,
> and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
> address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:17:21 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:17:21 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
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On 02/12/05, Soo-Hyun Choi <shchoi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks all to discuss this matter.
>
> One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
> to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
> connection, not multiple, isn't it?

Ideally you want to give each disk its own controller/cable.
Look at something like a promise ide card (although then you
might as well get hardware RAID).



From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:20:43 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:20:43 -0500
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/2/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/2/05, Nils <elitepenguin at gmx.net> wrote:
> > python python python ;-)
>
> No, perl perl and perl :-)

Well, if we're going to do this, then:

3.times { print "ruby " }

--

  -- AL --



From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:25:22 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:22 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/2/05, Soo-Hyun Choi <shchoi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks all to discuss this matter.
>
> One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
> to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
> connection, not multiple, isn't it?

You need multiple controllers.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:35:49 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:35:49 -0500
Subject: Migrating From SuSE to (K)Ubuntu
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all.

I have friend who is running one of the later SuSE distros who is
interested in switching to Ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop.  He wants to keep
his home directory intact, but is concerned that the various config
files that come with kubuntu-desktop aren't going to be 100%
compatible with what he currently has.  I think that this is a valid
concern, since I did a similar setup for someone else recently, and
the Ubuntu KDE environment looked like total crap with the SuSE KDE
settings that were in that user's home directory.  Fonts were shot,
the background images obviously didn't work, etc.

I prefer Gnome personally, and don't have a lot of experience with
KDE.  Does anyone have suggestions for me as to how they'd go about
doing a SuSE to Kubuntu migration, keeping the original (or as much of
the original as possible) home directory intact?

Thanks,

--

  -- AL --



From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:37:42 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:37:42 +0000
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512020517w56f94792o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3f1760512020517w56f94792o@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/2/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ideally you want to give each disk its own controller/cable.
> Look at something like a promise ide card (although then you
> might as well get hardware RAID).

A proper HW RAID-5 IDE card is expensive (200-300 quid iirc). Two dual
channel PCI IDE cards are less than 20 quid each. :)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From J.E.Roelofsen at student.utwente.nl  Fri Dec  2 13:44:37 2005
From: J.E.Roelofsen at student.utwente.nl (Bert Roelofsen)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:37 +0100
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
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Soo-Hyun Choi schreef:
> Thanks all to discuss this matter.
> 
> One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
> to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
> connection, not multiple, isn't it?
> 
> SH

Get yourself a decent RAID card. It will have multiple connectors to 
connect all the drives.
For example: with  a X port SATA RAID 5 controller you can create a 
maximum of (X-1)*hd-size storage array.
You'll have to use a SATA cable from the controller to the hd for each hd.

Another option (although less secure) is lvm.

Bert



From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Fri Dec  2 13:53:06 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:53:06 +0100
Subject: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on
 Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <200512020008.24282.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>	<438F8866.3090007@mx.homelinux.org>
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DC Parris wrote:
> On Thursday 01 December 2005 06:33 pm, Christian Eichert wrote:
>> DC Parris wrote:

>>> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how 
>>> many people have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.

>> I think the question is not relevant.

> Not relevant to what?  It may not seem relevant to your interests. 
> However, that does not make it irrelevant in some general sense. I
> don't know how to help you here.

okay it is a nice poll
it' like the question how many guys bought a car and had saled the
same day. It is very interesting too, but irelevant.

The ideea to change w$ with linux is not because linux is free, but
because linux is open source and gpl licensed
I think that every moment when someone puts a software unther gpl and
open source he f*cks bill gates harder than you do with this poll.

the future is open source aniway

>> Linux is not ready to replace windows.

> This is an inaccurate statement. Every person who has posted that 
> they have replaced Windows proves my point.

No this is not true
People replace w$ because of security reasons
because of the virus desaster
because of the methods bill practice
_because_ w$ is scrap
not because linux can replace it

>> AND Linux does not want to replace windows. 

> GNU/Linux doesn't.  I do. So, apparently, do many others. I wrote
> an article called "A Year Without Windows". You'll find it on 
> LXer.com. Search for the title.

cool ;-)
do you eat meat?
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 13:54:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:54:37 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <Seminoles.1zf19y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


DC Parris Wrote: 
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> people

> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not

> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's
> no

> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who

> have completely replaced Windows.

> 

> Thanks in advance for your time.

> Don

> -- 

> DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate

> http://matheteuo.org/

> "Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users





:D Yes I have switched the only thing that had to have windows was a
little home server that the manufacture only supports windows XP but
once it was set up that laptop wet to Ubuntu.


-- 
Seminoles



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Fri Dec  2 14:04:12 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:04:12 -0500
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <3c5484cf0512020448k4dcdedb2j45244c82c9afcd47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:48:52 -0600
Tommy Trussell <tommy.trussell at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/1/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >   I may have done something stupid (it's happened before) but I dl'ed
> > 1.5 from the Fox servers last night, untarred it in my home directory,
> > and it runs like a champion. Is there any reason NOT to do this?
> 
> 
> The only reason(s) not to do it have to do with the package management. That
> package is no longer being managed by apt, so when you update Ubuntu it will
> not get upgraded and/or the  standard Ubuntu Firefox package will (or won't,
> if you removed it) get updated and you won't be using whatever security
> patches are applied. You're now running an "official" Mozilla version,
> whereas before you were running the Ubuntu packaged version (which has some
> differences from the official).
> 
> You could learn how to make your own .deb package from the tarball, then you
> can install it using dpkg -i package_name.deb -- that way when it comes time
> to update it, the removal would happen through your normal software update
> tool (synaptic, apt-get, the Ubuntu update utility, whatever).
> 
> The other advantage to learning to make your own package is if you do that,
> then learn more about it and then you could be yet another person helping to
> keep Ubuntu updated for everyone!
> 

	Well I realized that when I installed it. But at that point I
was simply interested in trying it out to see if there were
differences, whether it seemed faster or slower etc. The "old" version
is still on my system.

Can someone point me to instructions on how to make a .deb package from
the tarball ? If not I'll have a look at the Wiki.

Cheers


Frank
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From mailinglists at FabianRodriguez.com  Fri Dec  2 14:14:43 2005
From: mailinglists at FabianRodriguez.com (F. Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:14:43 -0500
Subject: Invitation to Ubuntu ColombianTeam initial meeting
Message-ID: <439056D3.1030905@FabianRodriguez.com>

Hello,

We are inviting all interested parties (Colombian or not!) to
participate and let others know about the upcoming Ubuntu Colombian Team.

Our first IRC meeting on #ubuntu-co will be held on Tuesday Dec. 6th at
9PM local time (Colombia):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeamAgenda20051206

We found it convenient to meet right after the Community Council.

There's more info at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeamConvocacion
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam

Thank you,

Fabian Rodriguez
"LoCo Team" Contact

Saludos,

Esta es una invitación a participar en la formación del "Colombian Team"
de Ubuntu.

Uno de los objetivos del Team será colaborar en la organización y
creación de contenido y documentación en español.

Para más información:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeamConvocacion

Primera reunión en IRC [WWW] el martes, 6 de diciembre a las 9PM (hora
local en Bogotá Colombia)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeamAgenda20051206

Gracias,

Fabian Rodriguez
Contacto "LoCo Team" Colombia

-- 
Fabián Rodríguez - Montreal, QC, Canada
Ubuntu Marketing Team, Canadian Team 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 14:07:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:07:12 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>	<515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>	<skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>	<fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com><34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43904FC5.5050405@student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <skirkpatrick.1zf27a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Well, I'm using EIDE drives and because I'm not worried about speed, I
put two drives on a cable.  I do plan on having each LVM group on a
separate channel.


-- 
skirkpatrick



From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 14:33:20 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:33:20 -0500
Subject: GNOME 2.12.2 is out!
In-Reply-To: <kcy29581.1zdmcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d0507ca90512010402q42002c0r4cc4620ce92fe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F0246.4060200@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<1133453877.31446.4.camel@localhost>
	<kcy29581.1zdmcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512020633n7cca73c0ida0e3c44ebda31fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/1/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> question: am I wrong to say that Kubuntu ALWAYS gets the latest released
> KDE? Every time I visit their site, I see "KDE (version number here)
> released! Update sources list here!"

KDE 3.5 is available in (k)ubuntu packages, but unofficial.

Quite possibly, someone may release GNOME 2.12.2 as a 3rd party
installable package for ubuntu.  But, as stated, the fixes from 2.12.1
to 2.12.2 aren't really worth the hassle. Anything security related
will be backported and updated according to standard procedures.

The difference between KDE 3.4 -> 3.5 is, on the other hand, fairly substantial.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From fblaise at jaolin.net  Fri Dec  2 14:42:42 2005
From: fblaise at jaolin.net (Fred Blaise)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:42:42 +0100
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512020520m1d5356a3r472b45535648a6ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
	<2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>
	<dddb23ef0512020520m1d5356a3r472b45535648a6ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133534563.18683.1.camel@lapdance.vitlan.lux>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 08:20 -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
> On 12/2/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/2/05, Nils <elitepenguin at gmx.net> wrote:
> > > python python python ;-)
> >
> > No, perl perl and perl :-)
> 
> Well, if we're going to do this, then:
> 
> 3.times { print "ruby " }
print "perl\n"x3;

but ruby is nice too ;) so is python. Let's love 'em all =]
>   -- AL --
> 
fred
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From robert-ramsey at uiowa.edu  Fri Dec  2 14:47:09 2005
From: robert-ramsey at uiowa.edu (Ramsey, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:47:09 -0600
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <F9A69035AC5C8143B4F5430EFD817A7873B5FD@IOWAEVS02.iowa.uiowa.edu>

My laptop is Kubuntu, my desktop dual boots windows xp and mandriva.

bob



From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Fri Dec  2 15:19:34 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:19:34 +0100
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Freitag, den 02.12.2005, 16:02 +0800 schrieb Senectus .:
> Reasons why I play Games wholly and Solely on the PC.
> 1) I don't want to fork out for a games console AND a PC.
> 2) 1280x1024@ 32 with 60fps+
> 3) Hate. Console designed controls based around 8way thumb switch and 6 buttons.
> 4) Play without media, so I don't damage any of my game media or
> lose/have them stolen at other houses/lan sessions.
> 5) PC games (that is games made for PC first and not made for Console
> then ported to PC) tend to have more content.
> 
> When the PS3 hits the shelve i _may_ reconsider, but I doubt it.
> 
though there is not much info about the ps3 to find, sony said you could
upgrade the ps3 with a harddisk and this hdd would have linux on it.
so a ps3 with keyboard, mouse AND linux could be a nice alternative to a
pc, i think. but lets wait and see whats actually gonna happen.

ulrich
-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From rick at rickandpatty.com  Fri Dec  2 14:57:32 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:57:32 -0500
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>
	<2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133535452.28265.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 11:52 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/2/05, Nils <elitepenguin at gmx.net> wrote:
> > python python python ;-)
> 
> No, perl perl and perl :-)

EMACS!

Oh wait, is this the right flamewar?

If you don't already know one or the other, Python is pretty easy to
pick up.  Seems easier than perl, to me.

-- 
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*  Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <rick at rickandpatty.com>
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*  Web: http://www.rickandpatty.com
* Blog: http://shrimpandgrits.rickandpatty.com
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From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:09:34 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:09:34 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512020709o753fe28cgbb89e931e262a205@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, ulrich steffens <ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org> wrote:
> though there is not much info about the ps3 to find, sony said you could
> upgrade the ps3 with a harddisk and this hdd would have linux on it.
> so a ps3 with keyboard, mouse AND linux could be a nice alternative to a
> pc, i think. but lets wait and see whats actually gonna happen.

Since we're being off-topic and all:  I don't think I'm going to buy
anything from Sony again, after their recent spyware fiasco.  The PS3
might have Linux under the hood, or a magic genie - it'd make no
difference to me.

Now, stepping off of *that* particular soap box -- why whould it
matter that it runs Linux?  It's an appliance - it's designed for
gaming, not for word processing or to be a file server.  And, if it's
going to be plugged into a TV instead of a computer monitor, it's
going to be crap as a PC, unless you like working at incredibly low
screen resolutions.

(Apologies in advance if my tone seems adversarial - I don't really mean it to.)

--

  -- AL --



From ed at fletcher.ca  Fri Dec  2 15:10:52 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:10:52 -0800
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>	<515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>	<skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>	<fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439063FC.8010409@fletcher.ca>

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Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
| Thanks all to discuss this matter.
|
| One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
| to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
| connection, not multiple, isn't it?
|

You can't have more than two IDE hard drives on a single cable.  And you
should really only have one drive per cable as it will help the array
respond faster.

You need something like a Promise IDE card:

http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs.php/masterid=419815

Each one has two IDE ports to allow it to control four drives.  But, as
I said, you are better off having one drive per port/cable.  Two cards
will let you have four drives in the array.

I just googled the promise card.  There are lots of others.  I just
happen to have promise cards in my server.

HTH,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 15:11:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:11:54 -0500
Subject: gcc 4?
References: <b43bf2080511210432w57ec4170h4d01965f4e1d5fd2@mail.gmail.com><e453abbe0511210956u414ae357hf36ab0e46acce215@mail.gmail.com><1132657905.2099.7.camel@ekim>
	<1b25537f0511220612t13e6e5c5jbd8310aaca267537@mail.gmail.com>
	<aminalshmu.1yxgva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <enric.1zf4za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


aminalshmu Wrote: 
> same here. but for compiling modules to work with the default ubuntu
> kernel, is there a better way to switch the default compiler from
> gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.4 than simply exporting CC=gcc-3.4?



yes, you can change the "gcc" and "cc" symlinks in /etc/alternatives
and /usr/bin


-- 
enric



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 15:08:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] - [Laptop Toshiba]  : Toshset or FnFx ?
References: <4314B5E0.7090207@yahoo.fr>
	<537fu2-k88.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca><1125516092.7547.0.camel@localhost.localdomain><7beju2-2v9.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>
	<1125604888.6787.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <coaxx.1zf4za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


huh?



I have a fresh Breezy install here, fnfx is not installed but my Fn Key
work well? What has changed here? Hoary uses fnfx, doesn't it?



What is the difference to toshset, which is installed now in Breezy?


-- 
coaxx



From fays at blueseed.org  Fri Dec  2 15:21:13 2005
From: fays at blueseed.org (Faycal CHRAIBI)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:21:13 +0100
Subject: Python or Perl?
In-Reply-To: <1133534563.18683.1.camel@lapdance.vitlan.lux>
References: <dm5vf8$p4t$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<20051201182118.GA24898@adept.co.za>	<2f30da460512020243r76e9211dj5996647dbf3263dc@mail.gmail.com>	<bbda83370512020252m18ac8ceds4cc3d5364d3789e@mail.gmail.com>	<dddb23ef0512020520m1d5356a3r472b45535648a6ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133534563.18683.1.camel@lapdance.vitlan.lux>
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Fred Blaise a écrit :
| On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 08:20 -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
|
|>On 12/2/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
|>
|>>On 12/2/05, Nils <elitepenguin at gmx.net> wrote:
|>>
|>>>python python python ;-)
|>>
|>>No, perl perl and perl :-)
|>
|>Well, if we're going to do this, then:
|>
|>3.times { print "ruby " }
|
| print "perl\n"x3;
|
| but ruby is nice too ;) so is python. Let's love 'em all =]
|
|>  -- AL --
|>
|
| fred
|
Well, all the three of them are quite equivalent.
Each language has its weaknesses and its values. Perl perhaps has the
widest supporting community but python has nonetheless a quite good one.

If we go further, we could notice that though both the three languages
can be used for anything and everything, each one has taken a specific
lead that makes him the most appropriate for a kind of developements.
Where Perl5 is really good for text manipulation and has CPAN, Python
has a nice OO interface and starts being widely used for the web (Zope)
(where Perl CGI starts being a bit deprecated). I've been a little in
contact with Ruby so I won't mention.
All in all, I'd say that all these are complementary. Learn them all and
use the one you see as the most appropriate depending on what you want
to do.

Cheers,
- --
Faycal CHRAIBI
Twisting the limits of the hard code - http://www.subversion.fr
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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:30:12 2005
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:30:12 -0600
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <20051202090412.2b751949.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<438C7D3A.4070302@yahoo.co.uk> <438E4AA5.3060104@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<bbda83370511302346w3c65388s546983291eb6662a@mail.gmail.com>
	<438F9C0C.5030900@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051201210114.29df9ba2.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<3c5484cf0512020448k4dcdedb2j45244c82c9afcd47@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051202090412.2b751949.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <3c5484cf0512020730r43607912rd6a671ef65b06d11@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:48:52 -0600
> Tommy Trussell <tommy.trussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You could learn how to make your own .deb package from the tarball, then
> you
> > can install it using dpkg -i package_name.deb
>
...

>
> Can someone point me to instructions on how to make a .deb package from
> the tarball ? If not I'll have a look at the Wiki.
>

there may be some really good info on the wiki but a Google search turns up
a lot. Here's an introductory one:

http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html
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From tommy.trussell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:44:12 2005
From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:44:12 -0600
Subject: Firefox slow on switching tabs
In-Reply-To: <20051202090412.2b751949.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <bbda83370511270506k3fad7963n74b2a4d84ba9e2bd@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/2/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Can someone point me to instructions on how to make a .deb package from
> the tarball ? If not I'll have a look at the Wiki.


I found these simplified directions, too, but Firefox may be too complex to
use this approach.

http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html
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From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Fri Dec  2 16:15:50 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:15:50 +0100
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512020709o753fe28cgbb89e931e262a205@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
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	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<dddb23ef0512020709o753fe28cgbb89e931e262a205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133540151.9605.88.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Freitag, den 02.12.2005, 10:09 -0500 schrieb Al Gordon:
> On 12/2/05, ulrich steffens <ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org> wrote:
> > though there is not much info about the ps3 to find, sony said you could
> > upgrade the ps3 with a harddisk and this hdd would have linux on it.
> > so a ps3 with keyboard, mouse AND linux could be a nice alternative to a
> > pc, i think. but lets wait and see whats actually gonna happen.
> 
> Since we're being off-topic and all:  I don't think I'm going to buy
> anything from Sony again, after their recent spyware fiasco.  The PS3
> might have Linux under the hood, or a magic genie - it'd make no
> difference to me.
> 
> Now, stepping off of *that* particular soap box -- why whould it
> matter that it runs Linux?  It's an appliance - it's designed for
> gaming, not for word processing or to be a file server.  And, if it's
> going to be plugged into a TV instead of a computer monitor, it's
> going to be crap as a PC, unless you like working at incredibly low
> screen resolutions.
> 
> (Apologies in advance if my tone seems adversarial - I don't really mean it to.)
> 
> --
> 
>   -- AL --
> 
hi al,
no problem at all :)
i also read about that spywarethingy which was really surprising to see
how reckless the industry is. (hope this sentence makes any sense :)
BUT the interesting part of the ps3 is that sony states it wont be just
a gaming console rather than a multimedia/whatever console. so if they
choose linux to run on it, i think they can't do any mumbo jumbo to
linux because of the license. and as i said, a console thats loaded with
such specs (cell processors and all) this _might_ be an interesting
option. cause if they provide linux for it, i believe they also must
release their sources, so i think an ubuntu compiled for a ps3 wouldn't
be just daydreaming. or am i completely wrong in this?

ulrich
-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From plabonte at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:52:33 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:52:33 -0500
Subject: ntop issue
Message-ID: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am using 5.10 Ubuntu

I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop

Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are logged
in /var/log/messages

Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as described
above...

what should I check?

Does ntop work in the latest Ubuntu?
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Fri Dec  2 15:53:10 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:53:10 +0000
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
Message-ID: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>

I've just switched back to using Mutt/Procmail having used Evolution
since I upgraded to Breezy a month or so ago.

The problem I'm having is that the atime of the mailboxes is getting
set along with the mtime when Procmail delivers mail.  Consequently
Mutt can't see new mail in mailboxes (defined with Mutt's mailboxes
command) when changing folders with the directory browser (although
it finds it ok when you enter a folder that has new mail).

Anyone know what might be causing this or any workarounds?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 15:54:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:54:03 -0500
Subject: Would Ubuntu be the first distro to support Pocket PC devices
	outof the box?
References: <1098866299.4737.184.camel@zion.2good.net><1098872004.19812.10.camel@localhost.localdomain><1098875542.4737.246.camel@zion.2good.net><senectus.1g5giz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><WZot.1glq6k@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1101932110.5320.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<brdweb.1glth7@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<jmchugh.1gluca@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Amaro.Amaral.1ikcrm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <matthinckley.1zf6ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


looks like multisync has a evo 2 plugin now.. 



> 

> Evolution 2 plugin

> Written by Armin Bauer on the 27.10.04

> << Back

> 

> CVS now contains a plugin for evolution 2. If you want to try either
> check out from dev cvs or download cvs snapshot from 'here'
> (http://www.multisync.org/files/multisync-cvs-snapshot.tar.gz). The
> sourceforge anon cvs always lags behind a lot and is not recommended at
> the moment. Contact our mailing lists if any issues occur with this
> plugin.



http://www.multisync.org/news.php?do=showone&id=16&page=1


-- 
matthinckley



From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 16:09:12 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:09:12 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <1133540151.9605.88.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<dddb23ef0512020709o753fe28cgbb89e931e262a205@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133540151.9605.88.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512020809t553d6313ya4192800609baa35@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, ulrich steffens <ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org> wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 02.12.2005, 10:09 -0500 schrieb Al Gordon:
> > On 12/2/05, ulrich steffens <ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org> wrote:
> > > though there is not much info about the ps3 to find, sony said you could
> > > upgrade the ps3 with a harddisk and this hdd would have linux on it.
> > > so a ps3 with keyboard, mouse AND linux could be a nice alternative to a
> > > pc, i think. but lets wait and see whats actually gonna happen.
> >
> > Since we're being off-topic and all:  I don't think I'm going to buy
> > anything from Sony again, after their recent spyware fiasco.  The PS3
> > might have Linux under the hood, or a magic genie - it'd make no
> > difference to me.
> >
> > Now, stepping off of *that* particular soap box -- why whould it
> > matter that it runs Linux?  It's an appliance - it's designed for
> > gaming, not for word processing or to be a file server.  And, if it's
> > going to be plugged into a TV instead of a computer monitor, it's
> > going to be crap as a PC, unless you like working at incredibly low
> > screen resolutions.
> >
> > (Apologies in advance if my tone seems adversarial - I don't really mean it to.)
> >
> > --
> >
> >   -- AL --
> >
> hi al,
> no problem at all :)
> i also read about that spywarethingy which was really surprising to see
> how reckless the industry is. (hope this sentence makes any sense :)
> BUT the interesting part of the ps3 is that sony states it wont be just
> a gaming console rather than a multimedia/whatever console. so if they
> choose linux to run on it, i think they can't do any mumbo jumbo to
> linux because of the license. and as i said, a console thats loaded with
> such specs (cell processors and all) this _might_ be an interesting
> option. cause if they provide linux for it, i believe they also must
> release their sources, so i think an ubuntu compiled for a ps3 wouldn't
> be just daydreaming. or am i completely wrong in this?
>
> ulrich

If they provide a Linux for it, then technically it may not be so
difficult to use the machine as a PC.  But again, I don't see why
someone would do that when you can get a Dell (or whatever) including
flat screen, that's perfect for running Linux for easily under $500.

The other aspect of it is non-technical, and more a matter of
principle.  It's not a matter of whether or not I think they could
repeat their antics on this particular platform, but rather, why
should I trust the company that's done this kind of thing in the past
to do the right thing in the future?  (That really sounds like it
could lead into a WAY off-topic discussion, so take it as rhetorical,
I guess.)

--

  -- AL --



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Fri Dec  2 16:27:43 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:27:43 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <1133540863.28265.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 16:19 +0100, ulrich steffens wrote:

> though there is not much info about the ps3 to find, sony said you could
> upgrade the ps3 with a harddisk and this hdd would have linux on it.
> so a ps3 with keyboard, mouse AND linux could be a nice alternative to a
> pc, i think. but lets wait and see whats actually gonna happen.

Uhm, couldn't you do this with a PS*2*?

http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/25/ps2_linux.html
http://www.cs.ust.hk/cssystem/henry/ps2linux/
http://playstation2-linux.com/

Also, the majority don't buy game consoles because they want a PC.  They
buy game consoles specifically because they do not want to deal with the
hassle of a PC to play games.  Or because they don't want little Jimmy
and his friends to accidentally destroy their financial records while
playing Mario Kart.

In short, one reason game consoles sell is that they aren't PCs. :)

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <rick at rickandpatty.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Web: http://www.rickandpatty.com
* Blog: http://shrimpandgrits.rickandpatty.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 17:03:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:03:55 -0500
Subject: No automatic boot to X and Xauthorization problem
References: <08be01c57995$62a0a3b0$6401a8c0@dvdburner><20050626032052.577a76e3.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<000e01c57a0f$6c34e0b0$6401a8c0@dvdburner>
Message-ID: <DeliMart.1zfaja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


BB Wrote: 
> ----- Original Message ----- 

> 

> Thanks for your help. I understand it much better now.

> Instead of deleting .Xauthority, I used chown to change ownership back
> to

> the regular user and installed GDM through synaptic which gave me
> gdmsetup

> to get things right again.

> 

> Now my 8yr old can get back to Supertux, Frozen Bubble and Tux Racer.

> 

> BB

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



thank you for the hint - finally ubuntu starts in x again for me... I
think i messed my system up by following the ubuntu starter guide at
ubuntuguide.org ... the changed repositories were perhaps a bad idea,
but I'm not sure how it happened (I am quite the linux newby) :)


-- 
DeliMart



From dmummery at accessit.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 17:47:59 2005
From: dmummery at accessit.co.uk (David Mummery)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:47:59 +0000
Subject: VNCServer inetd - user nobody.tty
Message-ID: <20051202.hPJ.86933300@daisy>

Hi all -

I'm familiar with launching vncserver sessions from inetd in Debian Sarge, but
I'm having problems on Ubuntu. Ibstalled vncserver and inetutils-inetd, added
entries into /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf and modified /etc/gdm.conf

I'm unable to connect to my vnc-sessions either from the Ubuntu machine or a
remote machine.

Has anyone got this working on Ubuntu ot got any advice for me?

- David




From uid000 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 17:46:22 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:46:22 -0500
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <439063FC.8010409@fletcher.ca>
References: <34b425c50511291717p330f7226mf30d8e1a13114c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
	<515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50512020456i161485by5e0ef900def101d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<439063FC.8010409@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512020946l61261a30n3601ad421fa1f0a8@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth, with more than four drives, even if they're on
their own IDE channel, you're going to start running up against the
throughput limitation of the PCI bus, which I believe is around 133
MB/s (that's bytes not bits), which has to be shared with other
devices including the network adapter.  Modern 7200 rpm IDE drives can
be expected to deliver around 40-50 MB/s each.  There is some overhead
inherent to raid so it won't be a perfect multiple of each drive's
performance, but you can see how PCI could quickly become the
performance bottleneck.

It may be that with 5 drives, 4 if you don't count the parity, you may
be taking advantage of all or most of what the PCI bus has to offer
even if you have two drives per channel.

On 12/2/05, Ed Fletcher <ed at fletcher.ca> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> | Thanks all to discuss this matter.
> |
> | One more navie question though is that how (or where) do I get a cable
> | to connect all 5 HDDs? Normally, an IDE cable comes with dual HDDs
> | connection, not multiple, isn't it?
> |
>
> You can't have more than two IDE hard drives on a single cable.  And you
> should really only have one drive per cable as it will help the array
> respond faster.
>
> You need something like a Promise IDE card:
>
> http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs.php/masterid=419815
>
> Each one has two IDE ports to allow it to control four drives.  But, as
> I said, you are better off having one drive per port/cable.  Two cards
> will let you have four drives in the array.
>
> I just googled the promise card.  There are lots of others.  I just
> happen to have promise cards in my server.
>
> HTH,
> Ed
> - --
> Ed Fletcher
> ed at fletcher.ca
>
> What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
> whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
> or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 17:52:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:52:53 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <Vinci71.1zfcdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Right now, I'm running Ubuntu on my work laptop, Ubuntu on a desktop
backup PC at work and Ubuntu on my home desktop. I use it for all my
"usual" work and fun, just use WinXP at home for some games and Win2000
at work to read encrypted e-books I use for my job (sadly there seem to
be no way to have that sort of plugin for Linux :-( )


-- 
Vinci71



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec  2 18:06:26 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:06:26 -0800
Subject: Migrating From SuSE to (K)Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133546786.10405.341.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 08:35 -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> I have friend who is running one of the later SuSE distros who is
> interested in switching to Ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop.  He wants to keep
> his home directory intact, but is concerned that the various config
> files that come with kubuntu-desktop aren't going to be 100%
> compatible with what he currently has.  I think that this is a valid
> concern, since I did a similar setup for someone else recently, and
> the Ubuntu KDE environment looked like total crap with the SuSE KDE
> settings that were in that user's home directory.  Fonts were shot,
> the background images obviously didn't work, etc.
> 
> I prefer Gnome personally, and don't have a lot of experience with
> KDE.  Does anyone have suggestions for me as to how they'd go about
> doing a SuSE to Kubuntu migration, keeping the original (or as much of
> the original as possible) home directory intact?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> 
>   -- AL --
> 


Give it up...

Just go with the Kubuntu  desktop and tweak that..

Just my thoughts...

Vram





From stanb at panix.com  Fri Dec  2 18:20:11 2005
From: stanb at panix.com (stan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:20:11 -0500
Subject: 3rd try arrow keys in totem
Message-ID: <20051202182011.GA2972@teddy.fas.com>

Can anyone confirm that they are able to use the arrow keys to jump foward
and backward in totem while playing a video?

The man page claims this works, but it does _not_ work on 2 different
machines for me, and I've posted to the list twice before asking about
this. So far I have reeived 0 replies :-(

-- 
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror 
- New York Times 9/3/1967



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Fri Dec  2 18:23:09 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:23:09 -0700
Subject: Migrating From SuSE to (K)Ubuntu
References: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010601c5f76d$72f8efa0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good morning!

>I have friend who is running one of the later SuSE distros who is
>interested in switching to Ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop.  He wants to keep
>his home directory intact, but is concerned that the various config
>files that come with kubuntu-desktop aren't going to be 100%
>compatible with what he currently has.  I think that this is a valid
>concern, since I did a similar setup for someone else recently, and
>the Ubuntu KDE environment looked like total crap with the SuSE KDE
>settings that were in that user's home directory.  Fonts were shot,
>the background images obviously didn't work, etc.

1) Copy all the config files that are in the home directory to a new folder 
(/home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files). These are for a "just in case they are 
needed later". You might want to consider copying files out of /etc as 
well -- just in case!
2) Copy the entire /home/myfriend folder elsewhere (CD, DVD, network to 
other computer). This is just to keep the personal files intact
3) Either i) install Ubuntu, formatting the whole drive along the way --  
blowing away the /home along with everything else OR ii) if the home is on 
another partition get rid of the SUSE config files in the home directory 
(leave the files that you copied into /home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files alone) 
and then install Ubuntu without letting it create a second /home partition.
4) Clean up by getting the personal files back onto the hard drive and 
decide what config files in the /home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files can be 
dumped/reused, etc.

HTH

Rob 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 18:28:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:28:14 -0500
Subject: Iriver
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1yhxly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511141659x63e40ab3wa73a564b43388248@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1yjs9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511160304s5d8f2fccn412fb51b2a9c449e@mail.gmail.com><fb4429d10511160323j3398fdb0k215488f3e9e426e0@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Sorry for not noticing new messages in this thread.

Anyway I am going to upgrade my iRivers firmware to UMS version one of
these days. I found this FAQ about iRiver staff at Sourceforge which
might interest you:



http://tinyurl.com/e37m7



>From iRivers homepage:



http://www.iriver.com



I found out that after you have upgraded your firmware to UMS version,
you can turn it back to manager firmware by upgrading appropiate
firmware.



Sorry that I can't help you with problem that you can not use ifp-Gnome
as normal user. Is the problem that ifp-Gnome does not start as normal
user? What kind of error message does it produce if started from
terminal?

Just a long shot, but if you happened to built it from source and as
root, maybe executable is owned by root and normal users do not have
permissions to run it?


-- 
Ufo



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 18:37:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:37:26 -0500
Subject: Iriver
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1yhxly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511141659x63e40ab3wa73a564b43388248@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1yjs9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511160304s5d8f2fccn412fb51b2a9c449e@mail.gmail.com><fb4429d10511160323j3398fdb0k215488f3e9e426e0@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I don't know why there is this permission problem. But you can create a
starter with this content




Code:
--------------------
    gksudo program-name
--------------------




When you double click the starter yo will be prompted to enter your
password and the program will be started with super user permissions.
So you won't have to use the terminal.


-- 
weblars



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 18:38:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:38:27 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<Vinci71.1zfcdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <linuxnomad.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I replaced Windows on my computer about the time Breezy was released. I
do mean replaced, because I can do everything I did in Windows in
Linux. I did my school work in linux not windows even was able to do my
power point presentations with impress and it ran great on the schools
Windows box. I do all my programming in linux. I like the programming
enviroments better in linux, person preference. Both my digital camera
work in linux, and I can choose from several different picture editing
softwares in linux to modify, crop, and print them. I personly think my
HP-7260 printer prints better in linux than windows. I know my 64bit
processor runs better in linux :-) Networking is easy in both Windows
and linux. I don't reload my linux on my box every 4-6 months like I
use to with Windows. My perants, brother, and wife use Windows XP and I
have had to reinstall Windows more than once on their computers for
them. I see linux as a replacement at least for me. I switched to linux
because of the instublity of Windows which I understand is getting
better. It still takes me over 2 hours to reload windows on my wifes
computer and find the drivers she needs on the net and get her up and
running. Only takes me a little more than an hour to get my Ubuntu box
up from a fresh install. My wife would be using Ubuntu if her Gateway
wasn't incompatible with linux. She likes that I can use streamripper
to make mp3s from net-radio stations. 



Just really saying YES linux can replace windows, for some people. 



Matthew


-- 
linuxnomad



From almark at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 18:44:00 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:44:00 +0100
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512021044vff9419bgdd8b4d66ab32ba37@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
>
>  Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are
> logged in /var/log/messages
>
>  Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as described
> above...
>
>  what should I check?
>
>

Try to start ntop in a x-term and check the error messages

Mark



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Fri Dec  2 18:59:22 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:59:22 +0000
Subject: 3rd try arrow keys in totem
In-Reply-To: <20051202182011.GA2972@teddy.fas.com>
References: <20051202182011.GA2972@teddy.fas.com>
Message-ID: <20051202185922.GC13446@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:20:11PM -0500, stan wrote:

> Can anyone confirm that they are able to use the arrow keys to jump foward
> and backward in totem while playing a video?
> 
> The man page claims this works, but it does _not_ work on 2 different
> machines for me, and I've posted to the list twice before asking about
> this. So far I have reeived 0 replies :-(

Works for me.  Pressing right jumps forward a minute, pressing left
jumps back 15 seconds.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 18:57:47 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:57:47 -0500
Subject: Desperation setting in(was HP Laserjet probs)
References: <1132907734.27433.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Moloko.1z2icm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Moloko.1zff5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I solved the problem as you can see in the link:



http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97677



Regards.


-- 
Moloko



From plabonte at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 19:04:01 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:04:01 -0500
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <4dd33d690512021044vff9419bgdd8b4d66ab32ba37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4dd33d690512021044vff9419bgdd8b4d66ab32ba37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4527aede0512021104s5b100e09ife8381a1c121f7ae@mail.gmail.com>

I did and all I get is Ntop Starting [] no ok is listed and no error is
given...

On 12/2/05, Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
> >
> >  Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are
> > logged in /var/log/messages
> >
> >  Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as
> described
> > above...
> >
> >  what should I check?
> >
> >
>
> Try to start ntop in a x-term and check the error messages
>
> Mark
>
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> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From whb at ceimaine.org  Fri Dec  2 19:04:53 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:04:53 -0500
Subject: ntop issue
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910358@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

Are you starting the service as a regular user?  Have you tried using
"sudo" before the command to give yourself root privileges?

 

________________________________

From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:04 PM
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: Re: ntop issue

 

I did and all I get is Ntop Starting [] no ok is listed and no error is
given...

On 12/2/05, Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com > wrote:

On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>  I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
>
>  Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are
> logged in /var/log/messages
>
>  Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as
described 
> above...
>
>  what should I check?
>
>

Try to start ntop in a x-term and check the error messages

Mark

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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec  2 19:13:25 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:13:25 -0600
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
Message-ID: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>

12022005 1312 GMT-5

I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a 
random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
Quickly!

Wade



From plabonte at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 19:18:15 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:18:15 -0500
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910358@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910358@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <4527aede0512021118k52eaba50uddf7261c9fa98642@mail.gmail.com>

oh yeah I have done it with sudo and I even tried root...
there must be a permission issue somewhere but I cannot figure out where it
is... or what the error is...



On 12/2/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
>
>  Are you starting the service as a regular user?  Have you tried using
> "sudo" before the command to give yourself root privileges?
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:
> ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] *On Behalf Of *Phil
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2005 2:04 PM
> *To:* Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: ntop issue
>
>
>
> I did and all I get is Ntop Starting [] no ok is listed and no error is
> given...
>
> On 12/2/05, *Mark Doeglas* <almark at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >  I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
> >
> >  Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are
> > logged in /var/log/messages
> >
> >  Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as
> described
> > above...
> >
> >  what should I check?
> >
> >
>
> Try to start ntop in a x-term and check the error messages
>
> Mark
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
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From whb at ceimaine.org  Fri Dec  2 19:22:16 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:22:16 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910369@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

Bash scripts are your friend!
Off the top of my head, so may be a little wrong.
Starts with something like:


 c = 0
 for i in *.jpg
  do
    c++
    mv i c.jpg
  done


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Wade Smart
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:13 PM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Rename multiple files at once
> 
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
> 
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!
> 
> Wade
> 
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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Fri Dec  2 19:36:51 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:36:51 -0700
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <014701c5f777$be703240$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a 
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!
>
> Wade

This might help: 
http://docs.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/26/1642231&tid=39&tid=14

I just googled under linux photo batch rename (URL's too long to paste here) 
in case you want to see other pages.

HTH

Rob 




From taketwoaspirin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 19:42:58 2005
From: taketwoaspirin at gmail.com (Stephen Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:42:58 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <351278b80512021142l520ab0eexf4682580e8d84f50@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
>
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
>
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!
>
> Wade


Yes, there is.  If the files are all currently in the same directory, and
are all named something_or_other.jpg, the following will rename them to
1.jpg, 2.jpg, in a random-ish order:

$ for i in *.jpg ; do mv $i $((++c)).jpg ; done
$ unset c
$ unset i

The "for i in FOO ; do BAR ; done" part runs a particular command once for
each file specified by FOO.  The precise command is specified by BAR, and it
renames (mv) that file to a number followed by ".jpg"; it also adds one to
the number so that each file gets a different number.

"unset c" and "unset i" just clear the values of those two shell variables;
if you close the terminal window afterwards, you won't need to run those two
commands.

Holler if you need more help, or if I misunderstood your problem.
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From taketwoaspirin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 19:48:44 2005
From: taketwoaspirin at gmail.com (Stephen Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:48:44 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <351278b80512021142l520ab0eexf4682580e8d84f50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
	<351278b80512021142l520ab0eexf4682580e8d84f50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <351278b80512021148o4f083839n9615794e47d4e28c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Stephen Ryan <taketwoaspirin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/2/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> >
> > 12022005 1312 GMT-5
> >
> > I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> > random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> > Quickly!
> >
> > Wade
>
>
> Yes, there is.  If the files are all currently in the same directory, and
> are all named something_or_other.jpg, the following will rename them to
> 1.jpg, 2.jpg, in a random-ish order:
>
> $ for i in *.jpg ; do mv $i $((++c)).jpg ; done
> $ unset c
> $ unset i
>
> The "for i in FOO ; do BAR ; done" part runs a particular command once for
> each file specified by FOO.  The precise command is specified by BAR, and it
> renames (mv) that file to a number followed by ".jpg"; it also adds one to
> the number so that each file gets a different number.
>
> "unset c" and "unset i" just clear the values of those two shell
> variables; if you close the terminal window afterwards, you won't need to
> run those two commands.
>
> Holler if you need more help, or if I misunderstood your problem.
>

One other thing: if your files aren't completely randomly-named and there's
a piece of the filename that you need to keep, (i.e., you want to rename
DSCF00012.jpg to 12.jpg) check out mmv (it's in universe).
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 19:56:33 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:56:33 -0500
Subject: kDevelop (and tools) on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <37dd77890512021156r54fbba05nfe927de809726ba5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Today I installed a bunch of kDevelop stuff and Qt4 to attempt to do
some programming, kDevelop seems to work fine, I've built a few
samples and had no issues.  But I've run into a small snag:

dclarke at beer:~$ kdevassistant
QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap
QPainter::setPen: Will be reset by begin()
KCrash: Application 'kdevassistant' crashing...

dclarke at beer:~$ kdevdesigner
QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap
QPainter::setPen: Will be reset by begin()
KCrash: Application 'kdevdesigner' crashing...

Does anybody know what I'm missing?

Thanks.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From steve at laniels.org  Fri Dec  2 19:57:05 2005
From: steve at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:57:05 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <351278b80512021148o4f083839n9615794e47d4e28c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
	<351278b80512021142l520ab0eexf4682580e8d84f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<351278b80512021148o4f083839n9615794e47d4e28c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051202195705.GF16026@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 02:48:44PM -0500, Stephen Ryan wrote:
> One other thing: if your files aren't completely randomly-named and there's a
> piece of the filename that you need to keep, (i.e., you want to rename
> DSCF00012.jpg to 12.jpg) check out mmv (it's in universe).

For that matter, if you have that kind of pattern, you can
just use the 'rename' command:

rename 's/^DSCF//g ; s/^0+//g' *.jpg

The first command inside the quotes strips off the leading
DSCF; the second command strips off leading zeroes, so that
'00012' becomes '12'.

I've not tested the above, but it probably does what you
want.

-- 
Stephen R. Laniel
steve at laniels.org
+(617) 308-5571
http://laniels.org/
PGP key: http://laniels.org/slaniel.key
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From dontodd at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 20:09:05 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:09:05 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512021209x7273b734veedd5c8c1e2f6123@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
>
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!

If order is not important previous suggestions should work. If you
want them renamed  based on time as stored in exif, I wrote a script
to do that: http://idea.zanestate.edu/wordpress/images/renamer.txt .

Todd



From olafra at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 20:19:57 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:19:57 +0000
Subject: Disable shutdown and reboot options from gnome menu
In-Reply-To: <438ACFDF.2050205@ipb.pt>
References: <43858DEC.7010804@ipb.pt>
	<1132828727.8729.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43859E24.3010204@mx.homelinux.org>
	<1132837678.14445.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e50811220511240656o6e84425el@mail.gmail.com>
	<438ACFDF.2050205@ipb.pt>
Message-ID: <e50811220512021219g7eba7436m@mail.gmail.com>

What is missing, can you shutdown as a normal user, can you do shutdown or halt
or reboot at the command line, can you shutdown in gdm?

Olafur Arason
2005/11/28, João Paulo Sousa <jpaulo at ipb.pt>:
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> Olafur Arason wrote:
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> > When you have followed the gdm and ctrl alt del instructions. You
> > have to then do the following: sudo chgrp admin /sbin/halt
> > /sbin/shutdown sudo chmod 550 /sbin/halt /sbin/shutdown do: sudo
> > gedit
> > /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/apps/gnome-session/options/%gconf.xml
> > and copy this into it <?xml version="1.0"?> <gconf> <entry
> > name="logout_prompt" mtime="1132842782" type="bool" value="true">
> > </entry> <entry name="logout_option" mtime="1132842794"
> > type="string"> <stringvalue>logout</stringvalue> </entry> </gconf>
> >
> >
> > 2005/11/24, D.Personne <heliotopik at wanadoo.fr>:
> >
> >> Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 à 12:04 +0100, Christian Eichert a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
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> >>> D.Personne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 à 09:54 +0000, João Paulo Sousa a
> >>>> écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have configured the xorg to allow multiplies users in one
> >>>>> linux machine (like Userful application).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But i have one problem that a user can shutdown the
> >>>>> machine. I only allow the users to close the session.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who i make to disable the shutdown and reboot options from
> >>>>> gnome menu to all users.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, You can temporarily disable their entries in the menu.
> >>>> Use the smeg (simple menu editing) app.
> >>>>
> >>> there is no shutdown entry in smeg
> >>>
> >>> remove the administrator rights in user administration
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Found this:
> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-August/msg01903.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope it helps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >>
> >
> Tanks for the responses but none off this solutions solves the problem
> :-( .
>
> - --
> João Paulo
>
>     ESTGM-Instituto Politécnico de Bragança.
>     Dept. Informática e Comunicações.
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From almark at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 20:31:18 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:31:18 +0100
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <4527aede0512021118k52eaba50uddf7261c9fa98642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910358@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
	<4527aede0512021118k52eaba50uddf7261c9fa98642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512021231s439db421jf924beaa52540c9f@mail.gmail.com>

Did you created a ntop user/group? On this breezy box Ntop runs as user ntop

M.

On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com> wrote:
> oh yeah I have done it with sudo and I even tried root...
>  there must be a permission issue somewhere but I cannot figure out where it
> is... or what the error is...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/2/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you starting the service as a regular user?  Have you tried using
> "sudo" before the command to give yourself root privileges?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>
> >
> > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of
> Phil
> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:04 PM
> > To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> > Subject: Re: ntop issue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I did and all I get is Ntop Starting [] no ok is listed and no error is
> given...
> >
> >
> > On 12/2/05, Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > On 12/2/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >  I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
> > >
> > >  Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are
> > > logged in /var/log/messages
> > >
> > >  Basically I installed Ubuntu from CD and then installed ntop as
> described
> > > above...
> > >
> > >  what should I check?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Try to start ntop in a x-term and check the error messages
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>



From duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk  Fri Dec  2 20:31:45 2005
From: duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk (Duncan Lithgow)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:31:45 +0100
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
In-Reply-To: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net>
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>

hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net wrote:

> Hi,
> I had ubuntu 5.10 installed at a SATA-HDD. Whenever my PC boots Grub 
> break with the Error 21.

http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html

++
*21* : *"Unknown boot failure"*

This error is returned if the boot attempt did not succeed for reasons 
which are unknown.





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 20:36:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:36:15 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com><ErnieB.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<00f001c5f6d1$e4ec3410$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <ErnieB.1zfjsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Rob,

Changing the jumpers fixed the problem.  First I moved the Ubuntu
drive to #1 position on the Trios and tried again, same issue.

Changed the jumper for the Ubuntu drive to Cable direct and tried
again, same error.  Jumpered all three hard drives to cable direct and
it booted to grub as it always did but this time it booted to Ubuntu!

Tested the other drives and they boot just fine.  One more test to
see if grub will boot to 98 as I configured this drive for dual boot,
thinking this may help, but it didn't.

Thanks much for your suggestions.



ErnieB


-- 
ErnieB



From jhair_tocancipa at gmx.net  Fri Dec  2 20:31:51 2005
From: jhair_tocancipa at gmx.net (Jhair Tocancipa Triana)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:31:51 +0100
Subject: Firefox bug reporting (breezy)
References: <438B5AED.6040301@ntlworld.com>
	<1133428772.8807.65.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <877jandyvc.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>

Dennis Kaarsemaker writes:

> On ma, 2005-11-28 at 19:30 +0000, Toby Kelsey wrote:
>> I wanted to report a bug in Firefox and followed the 'online help' menu
>> item. This took me to
>> <https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/firefox/+bugs>
>> and to report a bug I found I had to register with launchpad.
>> 
>> Registering and going to the 'Bugs' tab got me to
>> <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+assignedbugs> and when I
>> tried to start my bug report by clicking on 'open a new bug' I got to
>> <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+filebug>
>> which said:
>> 
>> Page not found
>> 
>> There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.

> That is a known bug with launchpad, after logging in you can simply go
> back to the first url and file the bug there. But firefox is in main, so
> this bug should be files at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com

When will be this unified? It is a PITA to file some bugs in Launchpad
and others in bugzilla...

-- 
--Jhair

PGP key available from public servers - ID: 0xBAA600D0




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 20:52:20 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:52:20 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>

I was in the same boat.  It took me a few weeks to figure it all out, 
but when I finally got ubuntu and winxp dual booting from my hardware 
fakeraid raid0, I wrote a howto on the wiki at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto that explains what you need to do.

If you have any trouble following it, you may want to reply here, but CC 
me as well so I don't miss it ( I got a LOT of email ).

Sean Hammond wrote:
> So I know someone who has two drives in a SATA RAID 0 stripe, using a 
> Silicon Image 3112A chip (which is fakeraid), and was wondering if 
> anyone with Linux raid experience might be able to offer anything.
> 
> He has Windows XP installed currently, and might be interested enough to 
> install Ubuntu if it can dual-boot, but has given up because the 
> complications introduced by his RAID setup were too much.
> 
> Is there a way to get Ubuntu to install dual-boot on a system like this? 
> Are there drivers available in the Ubuntu installer that support this 
> chip? If so, exactly what would have to be done during install to get 
> them running? He tells me the Ubuntu installer didn't work in the normal 
> way, I think maybe it didn't automatically detect his partitions.
> 
> As I understand it we can't use Linux's software raid drvier 'md', 
> because this would require us to delete the current 'fakeraid' 
> partitions, destroying his data, and in any case there's no way Windows 
> is going to run on Linux partitions so dual-boot would be impossible.
> 
> If there is no driver in the Ubuntu installer, then I think our options are:
> 
> 1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the 
> needed raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I 
> don't think he's willing to go to so much trouble.
> 
> 2. Rebuild the Ubuntu installer with the necessary raid support, then 
> install. I have no idea what would be required here or how to rebuild 
> the Ubuntu installer.
> 
> 3. Switch the bios to ATA, install Ubuntu, then install the raid 
> support, then switch the BIOS back. Not sure if this is possible or not. 
> Would this work in the dual-boot situation?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 20:52:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:52:29 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A910369@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <PizzAp.1zfkpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This should be a valid shell script.


Code:
--------------------
    

  mkdir new

  c=0 

  for i in *jpg; do 

  c=$[$c+1]

  mv $i new/$c.jpg

  done

  
--------------------


-- 
PizzAp



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Fri Dec  2 21:21:18 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:21:18 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com><ErnieB.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><00f001c5f6d1$e4ec3410$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<ErnieB.1zfjsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c5f786$559e8e60$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> Changing the jumpers fixed the problem.

Yay!

>  First I moved the Ubuntu
> drive to #1 position on the Trios and tried again, same issue.

Ouch!

> Changed the jumper for the Ubuntu drive to Cable direct and tried
> again, same error.

Ow! Ow!

> Jumpered all three hard drives to cable direct and
> it booted to grub as it always did but this time it booted to Ubuntu!
>
> Tested the other drives and they boot just fine.

Yee Haw! Great news!

> One more test to
> see if grub will boot to 98 as I configured this drive for dual boot,
> thinking this may help, but it didn't.

Hmm? Might take some extra work on that. Maybe trios don't like 
"dual-booting" drives? Maybe the MBR of that drive (set for dual booting) is 
confusing the trios? Just some thoughts.....

> Thanks much for your suggestions.
>
>
>
> ErnieB

Hey, you're welcome. Glad I could help.

Rob





From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Fri Dec  2 21:52:57 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:52:57 +1000
Subject: Enter coordinates of location
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>	<Ufo.1yhxly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<d5bd99f70511141659x63e40ab3wa73a564b43388248@mail.gmail.com>	<Ufo.1yjs9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<d5bd99f70511160304s5d8f2fccn412fb51b2a9c449e@mail.gmail.com>	<fb4429d10511160323j3398fdb0k215488f3e9e426e0@mail.gmail.com>	<Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com>	<d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com>	<d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4390C239.6080201@upng.ac.pg>

On the Ubuntuworldwide page, I want to enter the coordinates of my location.
How do I do this?

Alfred,




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 21:41:18 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:41:18 -0500
Subject: Daily backups
Message-ID: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>

I'm trying to figure out how to set up a system to perform automated 
daily incremental and weekly full backups.  So far I have no problem 
using tar for a weekly full backup, but now I'm trying to get it to 
perform daily incremental backups.  I found the --newer-mtime option 
that looks like it should do the trick for daily backups, but I have a 
few small issues still left to work out:

1) tar gets very noisy with --newer-mtime; it spits out a line for every 
file that it does NOT backup because it's too old

2) tar seems to include all directories in the archive, regardless of 
their mtime.  This doesn't really hurt anything I suppose, but it seems 
wasteful.

3) I need a way to generate a date string automatically for yesterday. 
Something like `date --yesterday`.


Does anyone have any ideas?




From superbiskit at cox.net  Fri Dec  2 22:12:57 2005
From: superbiskit at cox.net (David A. Cobb)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:12:57 -0500
Subject: Why I'm saving it
In-Reply-To: <1133502521.10405.294.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
	<1133502521.10405.294.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4390C6E9.2030607@cox.net>

Vram wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 20:55 -0500, David A. Cobb wrote:
>   
>> I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a
>> couple of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save
>> my /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my
>> (human) accounts. 
>>
>>     
> Why are you saving this stuff???
>
> You are starting over
>
> Just Wondering?
>
> Vram
>   
For my human users.  I don't want to compromise anyone's privacy.  They are not "starting over."  I get enough static as it is because of instabilities in the system.  It's fair enough -- I cause most of them!  I rarely leave "well enough" alone.

-- 
David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!



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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec  2 22:18:40 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:18:40 -0800
Subject: Why I'm saving it
In-Reply-To: <4390C6E9.2030607@cox.net>
References: <438FA993.7020603@cox.net>
	<1133502521.10405.294.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4390C6E9.2030607@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1133561921.10405.370.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 17:12 -0500, David A. Cobb wrote:
> Vram wrote: 
> > On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 20:55 -0500, David A. Cobb wrote:
> >   
> > > I have needed to tear my system down and start over from the CD a
> > > couple of times now.  Up until now, it has been successful to save
> > > my /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files so I don't lose my
> > > (human) accounts. 
> > > 
> > >     
> > Why are you saving this stuff???
> > 
> > You are starting over
> > 
> > Just Wondering?
> > 
> > Vram
> >   
> For my human users.  I don't want to compromise anyone's privacy.  They are not "starting over."  I get enough static as it is because of instabilities in the system.  It's fair enough -- I cause most of them!  I rarely leave "well enough" alone.
> 
> -- 
> David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate
> "By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
> Free at last!  Free at last!  Using Linux, I'm FREE at last!
> Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!
> 
> 



Ok.. I am catching on now..


You have users besides yourself....


Ok.. Now it makes sense....

Vram






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 22:08:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:08:13 -0500
Subject: Where's the SFTP client?
References: <bbda83370511292244i5a6a9b75xd5a23e47e6a0cf61@mail.gmail.com><e453abbe0511292257m324c3e5fh333b3ec63ec4703@mail.gmail.com><bbda83370511300134q2b30a5dfi42fc99cdfbf6b3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133344512.8808.7.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <eazolan.1zfofa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


David Hart Wrote: 
> 

> By default you'll find an icon for the connection on your desktop (as

> well as in Places -> Network Servers).

> 



Hurm. When I unmount it, the icon dissapears and I have to re-create
the whole thing. Is there a way to make it more permanant? Like a list
I can choose from?


-- 
eazolan



From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec  2 22:30:31 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:30:31 +0100
Subject: Where's the SFTP client?
In-Reply-To: <eazolan.1zfofa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <bbda83370511292244i5a6a9b75xd5a23e47e6a0cf61@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0511292257m324c3e5fh333b3ec63ec4703@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370511300134q2b30a5dfi42fc99cdfbf6b3d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133344512.8808.7.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<eazolan.1zfofa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051202233031.d875ba80.albi@scii.nl>

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:08:13 -0500
'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

[creating "ssh-icon" with nautilus]
> Hurm. When I unmount it, the icon dissapears and I have to re-create
> the whole thing. Is there a way to make it more permanant? Like a list
> I can choose from?

if you don't unmount it, it should be there after a reboot afaik

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 22:49:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:49:09 -0500
Subject: Where's the SFTP client?
References: <bbda83370511292244i5a6a9b75xd5a23e47e6a0cf61@mail.gmail.com><e453abbe0511292257m324c3e5fh333b3ec63ec4703@mail.gmail.com><bbda83370511300134q2b30a5dfi42fc99cdfbf6b3d8@mail.gmail.com><1133344512.8808.7.camel@box.jynn.tonix.org><eazolan.1zfofa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051202233031.d875ba80.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <arpunk.1zfq9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can try -yafc-, it works for me and its pretty cool, but its for
console.


-- 
arpunk



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 23:10:11 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:10:11 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
Message-ID: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anybody notice that after wakeup from suspension (to RAM), the
harddisk clicks much more often?

If anyone confirm this I'll file a bug.

For the moment, I do a '/etc/init.d/dbus restart'.

Cheers,
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 23:26:12 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:26:12 +0000
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
In-Reply-To: <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net> <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
Message-ID: <3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/12/05, Duncan Lithgow <duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk> wrote:
> hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net wrote:

>
> http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html

mail that guy and tell him to delete his docs if he can't maintain them.
The official docs are at:

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html#Stage2-errors

and say

"21 : Selected disk does not exist
    This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full
file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not
recognized by the BIOS in the system. "


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  2 23:34:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:34:13 -0500
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


If your hard disc is "clicking" repeatedly it ain't a bug in the
software... you need a new hard drive.


-- 
poptones



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 00:10:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:10:12 -0500
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <arctic.1zftza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It does not necessarily mean that he needs a new harddrive. It depend on
the type of clicking. Some 2.5" harddisks for laptops occasionally have
a high, pitched click sound that does not mean that the drive is
nearing death. If the click is very loud and more of a repeated heavy
"CLACK!", then the drive is saying "bye bye".
I suspect that it could be related to a caching problem, but this is
only a wild guess. Take a look at your /var/log/messages file and dmesg
(sudo dmesg) and read carefully if there are any errors, timeout, bufer
overflows or something like that reported.


-- 
arctic



From almark at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 00:27:01 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:27:01 +0100
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?

Regards
Mark



From mikeraz at patch.com  Sat Dec  3 00:52:43 2005
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:52:43 -0800
Subject: How to create a terabyte storage array?
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50511300438q7cc25a4aq340193accad6a7e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511300623i6d873e4dyfeff6af733a05b34@mail.gmail.com>
	<34b425c50511300722o65c981ebhdf496fcab35685d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<438DDB72.8010103@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511301415p447359aer8cff04210894668c@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E5E7B.1030500@fletcher.ca>
	<515e525f0511302229o4f62008bh5b2a0b02cc2e10c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<skirkpatrick.1zd11y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0512010427p4a12be08i8c1457efe5d7f507@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512020435y727ccf0fsd18e971e39f791cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203005243.GC16961@patch.com>

Zach wrote:
> Just came across this very timely article on linuxjournal.com
> addressing use of rsync to do  backups to spare disks, backup servers,
> or offsite servers.  Very informative.
> 
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8590

A good software package to use with a box like this would be dirvish,
http://www.dirvish.org/  it puts some extra intelligence into rsync
based backups to maintain multiple snaps shots of your data.

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
        http://www.patch.com/words/
  The fortune cookie says:
He walks as if balancing the family tree on his nose.




From almark at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 01:04:22 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:04:22 +0100
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512021704u7a406694p45bb8cd2fd766846@mail.gmail.com>

It's supposed to be in libgnomevfs2-common but not there

On 12/3/05, Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
>
> Regards
> Mark
>



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 01:27:32 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:27:32 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<arctic.1zftza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <863blb7ywr.fsf@gmail.com>


It seems it is because the laptop mode is disabled by the STANDBY.

-- 
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.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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.Leon                                         .
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 01:28:23 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:28:23 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86y8336kaw.fsf@gmail.com>

Not in my laptop.

Can you connect to sftp?

-- 
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.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 01:25:00 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:25:00 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>

Sorry. I forgot to mention my harddisk is under excellent condition.
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From kirtis.bakalarczyk at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 01:52:23 2005
From: kirtis.bakalarczyk at gmail.com (Kirtis Bakalarczyk)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:52:23 -0500
Subject: Daily backups
In-Reply-To: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <e637407e0512021752r9926829r413e2beb8cca1554@mail.gmail.com>

*snip*
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>

http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/

You might have to read it over a couple times before you figure out
what it's doing (the secret is in the fact that rsync unlinks before
it overwrites.. you'll see) but this is probably what you're looking
for.

Kirt
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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:wq



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 01:53:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:53:05 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10
References: <20051130203216.M73074@wowway.com><ErnieB.1zdsty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><00f001c5f6d1$e4ec3410$0300a8c0@Ulysses><ErnieB.1zfjsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<000c01c5f786$559e8e60$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <ErnieB.1zfyly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Rob,

Windows 98 booted fine as did the other three drives.  I'm a happy
camper.  Thanks again.



ErnieB


-- 
ErnieB



From albertwagner at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 02:00:14 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:00:14 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
Message-ID: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net>

At this address:

http://www.stupidvideos.com/Default.asp?VideoID=1344

I got the following in a popup:

Totem could not play 'fd://0'.
There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to
install the corresponding plugins

I don't know what this is saying or what I can do about it.

-- 
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Sat Dec  3 02:12:33 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:12:33 -0700
Subject: Migrating From SuSE to (K)Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4390FF11.6060806@angrykeyboarder.com>

Al Gordon wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> I have friend who is running one of the later SuSE distros who is
> interested in switching to Ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop.  He wants to keep
> his home directory intact, but is concerned that the various config
> files that come with kubuntu-desktop aren't going to be 100%
> compatible with what he currently has.  I think that this is a valid
> concern, since I did a similar setup for someone else recently, and
> the Ubuntu KDE environment looked like total crap with the SuSE KDE
> settings that were in that user's home directory.  Fonts were shot,
> the background images obviously didn't work, etc.

It doesn't help that SUSE uses a non-standard setup for KDE or GNOME (at
least that was my experience when I last looked at SUSE 10.0).  The
menus have little in common with freedesktop.org standards (um er
suggestions).  On the other hand, Ubuntu appears to follow them. There's
a big migration problem right there.

I'd go with the backup idea another respondant mentioned here and see
what happens.  I'd forget about salvaging any old menu items though.

About the only things that are likely usable later on are some (or mybe
all) of the the font, mail, web browser, and theme directories and thier
contents (and similar subdirectories of .kde).  At least that's what
I've found attempting this type of thing.


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved





From burner at suppressingfire.org  Sat Dec  3 00:54:20 2005
From: burner at suppressingfire.org (Michael R. Head)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:54:20 -0500
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:27 +0100, Mark Doeglas wrote:
> It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?

If you mean the backend for the gnome-vfs that handles ssh:// urls, it
comes with gnomevfs. Nautilus can by default open locations like
'ssh://localhost/home' or whatever.

Did you mean something else?

mike

> Regards
> Mark
> 
-- 
Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec  3 02:18:36 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:18:36 +0000
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 03:53:10PM +0000, David Hart wrote:

> I've just switched back to using Mutt/Procmail having used Evolution
> since I upgraded to Breezy a month or so ago.
> 
> The problem I'm having is that the atime of the mailboxes is getting
> set along with the mtime when Procmail delivers mail.  Consequently
> Mutt can't see new mail in mailboxes (defined with Mutt's mailboxes
> command) when changing folders with the directory browser (although
> it finds it ok when you enter a folder that has new mail).

I've done a bit more testing to try to narrow this down.

I built procmail-3.22 from the source at procmail.org to see if
anything in the latest debian/ubuntu patches was causing a problem
but the problem is still there.

I've configured Mutt/Procmail on a virgin Breezy install to see if
it's anything that I've done on my laptop that's causing trouble -
still the same.

Finally, I reinstalled Hoary on a spare box and - everything works
perfectly.

So it seems there is a bug introduced with Breezy that breaks Mutt
with mbox mailboxes (I don't know whether it would affect maildir)
that doesn't seem to involve Procmail.

I'm surprised that with the number of Mutt users on this list that
nobody else has confirmed this yet as visiting two dozen or more
mailboxes to check for new mail makes Mutt virtually unusable.

I'm at a loss now where to look for the problem.  Can anyone confirm
or deny this or, better still, point me in the direction of a fix?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Sat Dec  3 02:26:16 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:26:16 -0800
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43910248.1000903@pdx.edu>

Mark Doeglas wrote:
> It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?

 Go to the Places --> Connect to Server... menu, and in the Service type
 drop-down, select SSH.  It works fairly well, though the SFTP protocol
does not define the symlink operation, so you cannot make symlinks in
remote directories with it.  For most uses, that's not a problem.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 02:30:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:30:52 -0500
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <poptones.1zg0gn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ah, it's doing "the parking click?" I've noticed mine does this a LOT
when it is running windows, not so much with ubuntu.


-- 
poptones



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec  3 02:57:31 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:57:31 -0800
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051203025731.GA6240@home.tig-grr.com>

> I've done a bit more testing to try to narrow this down.
> 
> I built procmail-3.22 from the source at procmail.org to see if
> anything in the latest debian/ubuntu patches was causing a problem
> but the problem is still there.
> 
> I've configured Mutt/Procmail on a virgin Breezy install to see if
> it's anything that I've done on my laptop that's causing trouble -
> still the same.
> 
> Finally, I reinstalled Hoary on a spare box and - everything works
> perfectly.
> 
> So it seems there is a bug introduced with Breezy that breaks Mutt
> with mbox mailboxes (I don't know whether it would affect maildir)
> that doesn't seem to involve Procmail.
> 
> I'm surprised that with the number of Mutt users on this list that
> nobody else has confirmed this yet as visiting two dozen or more
> mailboxes to check for new mail makes Mutt virtually unusable.
> 
> I'm at a loss now where to look for the problem.  Can anyone confirm
> or deny this or, better still, point me in the direction of a fix?

WorksForMe:

My workstation at work is a clean breezy install (not upgrade) and new mail
folder notification works great using mutt + fetchmail + mailfilter.



From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Sat Dec  3 03:58:47 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:58:47 +0100
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
In-Reply-To: <867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org>

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> Sorry. I forgot to mention my harddisk is under excellent condition.

congratulations ;-)
you must be very proud

can you at least say what laptop it is and what harddisk
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 04:13:01 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:43:01 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70511160304s5d8f2fccn412fb51b2a9c449e@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10511160323j3398fdb0k215488f3e9e426e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys..I try it and get back to you..Thanks for that info..
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/3/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know why there is this permission problem. But you can create a
> starter with this content
>
>
>
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>     gksudo program-name
> --------------------
>
>
>
>
> When you double click the starter yo will be prompted to enter your
> password and the program will be started with super user permissions.
> So you won't have to use the terminal.
>
>
> --
> weblars
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 04:59:05 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:59:05 -0500
Subject: Migrating From SuSE to (K)Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <010601c5f76d$72f8efa0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <dddb23ef0512020535j63104571q43ef879902f0c078@mail.gmail.com>
	<010601c5f76d$72f8efa0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512022059l52645a22t89f7a3b4c042eaf0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> >I have friend who is running one of the later SuSE distros who is
> >interested in switching to Ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop.  He wants to keep
> >his home directory intact, but is concerned that the various config
> >files that come with kubuntu-desktop aren't going to be 100%
> >compatible with what he currently has.  I think that this is a valid
> >concern, since I did a similar setup for someone else recently, and
> >the Ubuntu KDE environment looked like total crap with the SuSE KDE
> >settings that were in that user's home directory.  Fonts were shot,
> >the background images obviously didn't work, etc.
>
> 1) Copy all the config files that are in the home directory to a new folder
> (/home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files). These are for a "just in case they are
> needed later". You might want to consider copying files out of /etc as
> well -- just in case!
> 2) Copy the entire /home/myfriend folder elsewhere (CD, DVD, network to
> other computer). This is just to keep the personal files intact
> 3) Either i) install Ubuntu, formatting the whole drive along the way --
> blowing away the /home along with everything else OR ii) if the home is on
> another partition get rid of the SUSE config files in the home directory
> (leave the files that you copied into /home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files alone)
> and then install Ubuntu without letting it create a second /home partition.
> 4) Clean up by getting the personal files back onto the hard drive and
> decide what config files in the /home/myfriend/SUSEconfig_files can be
> dumped/reused, etc.
>
> HTH
>
> Rob

Thanks to all who responded.  I did the migration today, and things
worked out more or less alright.  The user's home directory was NFS
mounted from a file server, so that part wasn't so bad.  We made a
backup of it regardless, just in case we wanted to get back to a
pristine state.

The only thing that seemed to not be the greatest was the look&feel
after doing the migration.  The fonts and desktop background needed
manual tweaking, and a few shortcut (*.desktop files) needed to be
recreated.  But other than that, the various Ubuntu KDE apps seemed to
behave well with the config and environment files from the previous
SuSE install.

--

  -- AL --



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 05:06:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:06:50 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Take a look at this:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

basically do the following:
in your /etc/apt/sources.list add the following lines:

deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free
non-free

Then at the terminal:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
sudo apt-get w32codecs
sudo apt-get libdvdcss2
gst-register-0.8

This should handle most of your media needs. For that link select the
Windows Media options and enjoy. I think you have to install aditional
codecs to QT, if I find it I will let you know.

HTH
AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 05:13:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 00:13:34 -0500
Subject: Would Ubuntu be the first distro to support Pocket PC devices
	outof the box?
References: <1098866299.4737.184.camel@zion.2good.net><1098872004.19812.10.camel@localhost.localdomain><1098875542.4737.246.camel@zion.2good.net><senectus.1g5giz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><WZot.1glq6k@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1101932110.5320.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<brdweb.1glth7@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<jmchugh.1gluca@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Amaro.Amaral.1ikcrm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthinckley.1zf6ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <hanzj.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


how do i know which version of multisync i have? Do i have the
sourceforge anon cvs version, the dev cvs version or the cvs snapshot?


-- 
hanzj



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 05:56:06 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 05:56:06 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <43910248.1000903@pdx.edu>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<43910248.1000903@pdx.edu>
Message-ID: <3f1760512022156l19c255f5j@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/12/05, Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu> wrote:
> Mark Doeglas wrote:
> > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
>
>  Go to the Places --> Connect to Server... menu, and in the Service type
>  drop-down, select SSH.  It works fairly well, though the SFTP protocol
> does not define the symlink operation, so you cannot make symlinks in
> remote directories with it.  For most uses, that's not a problem.

You can use the comand line sftp client to do that, so I'm not sure about
it being impossible.


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 06:16:33 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:46:33 +0530
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net> <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
	<3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512022216l60d09a35p49e68d24a1ea55ba@mail.gmail.com>

I had this error 21 while installing 5.10 on my friends comp, I
installed 5.04 and it worked fine.

error 21 was poped up after busybox copied all the other files from cd
to harddisk and asked me to remove InstallCD and  reboot.

what is the problem here? how should i correct it? Now even if i know
what the error is, I cant solve the problem on my PC,

because its only with 5.10 installation, 5.04 worked fine without any
grub errors on the same day!

Ubuntu



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 06:50:13 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:50:13 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512022250l69e64127g6dea313de493df5f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
>
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!
>
> Wade
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
Hi There,

Here's mine in perl:

http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-software/rename-files.txt

cheers,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 06:43:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 01:43:05 -0500
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net>
	<4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk><3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>
	<e06f2acd0512022216l60d09a35p49e68d24a1ea55ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zgchy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Can you post some more details about your configuration?
How many HDDs?
Partition information?
Other OS' installed?

AM

PS: I answered a similar question way back when. Take a lok and see if
it helps:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59907&highlight=Grub+21


-- 
amohanty



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 07:00:01 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:30:01 +0530
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <1133540863.28265.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<1133540863.28265.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512022300j6e096982m68e034f9ff66920d@mail.gmail.com>

If you are using linux and jimmy want's to play tux cart, your
financial data is little bit safer than windows. just dont let jimmy
use root user for playing games.



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 07:35:35 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:05:35 +0530
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zgchy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net> <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
	<3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>
	<e06f2acd0512022216l60d09a35p49e68d24a1ea55ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<amohanty.1zgchy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512022335l1169d369gd29e1c10abc97b94@mail.gmail.com>

hda is CDROM
hdc is Hard disk
hdc1 is /
hdc2 is Swap
everything else comes under Dynamic Volume in the partition manager of
the ubuntu installation

busybox cant find hdc



From duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk  Sat Dec  3 07:44:37 2005
From: duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk (Duncan Lithgow)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:44:37 +0100
Subject: grub error messages
Message-ID: <43914CE5.6030000@lithgow-schmidt.dk>

Hi Eric,

I just thought I'd let you know that the information at 
http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html is out of date and therefore 
misleading. The current version is at: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/

Please consider deleting your version to avoid confusion.

Thanks, Duncan



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 07:44:54 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:44:54 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <868xv2wrnt.fsf@gmail.com>

"Michael R. Head" <burner at suppressingfire.org> writes:

 | On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:27 +0100, Mark Doeglas wrote:
 | > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
 | 
 | If you mean the backend for the gnome-vfs that handles ssh:// urls, it
 | comes with gnomevfs. Nautilus can by default open locations like
 | 'ssh://localhost/home' or whatever.
 | 
 | Did you mean something else?
 | 
 | mike

Menu -> Places -> Connect to server ...

Is it able to connect via ssh?

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 07:41:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:41:20 -0500
Subject: Screen Resolution
References: <1117706081.6634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Mammoth.1qezay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20050610163739.GW4868@catsby.fooishbar.org>
Message-ID: <bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Im on an intel with a Mother Board integrated Video card and my
reslution is only 1024X768 Max i tried to use the 



sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg



command but my system tells me i dont have that package installed

what can i do to improve my resolution


-- 
bursto22



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 07:48:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:48:06 -0500
Subject: Screen Resolution
References: <BFE3AAE369B17F46A301FEBED9FD14641DD206@srvexch02.mcaschool.net><d7cinp$mmt$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<Gimmie.an.A.1pv9ky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1117503727.15715.120.camel@localhost.localdomain><429EA8C5.7080202@bssmusic.de><1117706081.6634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><Mammoth.1qezay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1118418665.7807.13.camel@localhost.localdomain><1118419229.27009.0.camel@stupor.i.digital-scurf.org><bursto22.1qfpoy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118449580.20836.0.camel@office.n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


the grep reports

dpkg -l |grep xserver
ii  xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 files and utilities common to all X
servers
ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server


-- 
bursto22



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 07:41:49 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:41:49 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com> <439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>

Christian Eichert <moga at mx.homelinux.org> writes:

 | leon wrote:
 | > Sorry. I forgot to mention my harddisk is under excellent condition.
 | 
 | congratulations ;-)
 | you must be very proud
 | 
 | can you at least say what laptop it is and what harddisk
 | what the heck ...

I'm not pround of my laptop. Instead, I want people to focus on the
bug. Anyway, it's a dell 700m, hardisk: HTS548080M9AT00, bought in July.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From mark at talios.com  Sat Dec  3 08:30:59 2005
From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:30:59 +1300
Subject: Vertical pixel artifacts on Dell 2005FPW
Message-ID: <5184347f0512030030r201eaf8y19728f45c00c6260@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

For the last couple of weeks or so I've been getting regular, but not always
a flickering vertical line of pixels about 2" into the edge of my 20"
widescreen LCD.  This seems to happen under Gnome, PWM, Window Maker, but
NOT when I play a DVD, or play a game in full-screen GL mode, so I'm
somewhat suspecting a problem with X.org (but could be wrong?).

If I turn the monitor off, or change resolutions it goes away, then a few
minutes later it starts again.

The machine is using the non-free Nvidia drivers with a Winfast A340
(Leadtek) graphics card, at a resolution of 1680x1050, has anyone seen
anything similar, or got any suggestions I could try?
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec  3 08:54:18 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:54:18 +1100
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <BFE3AAE369B17F46A301FEBED9FD14641DD206@srvexch02.mcaschool.net>
	<d7cinp$mmt$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<Gimmie.an.A.1pv9ky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1117503727.15715.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<429EA8C5.7080202@bssmusic.de>
	<1117706081.6634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Mammoth.1qezay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118418665.7807.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1118419229.27009.0.camel@stupor.i.digital-scurf.org>
	<bursto22.1qfpoy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118449580.20836.0.camel@office.n7xy.net>
	<bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051203195418.b94ecf2c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:48:06 -0500
"'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

> 
> the grep reports
> 
> dpkg -l |grep xserver
> ii  xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 files and utilities common to all X
> servers
> ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
> 

OK that means either you are running Warty, or something odd happened when
you upgraded ;)

Try 

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86


-- 

Linux User #343161 



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 08:50:33 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:50:33 -0500
Subject: Iriver
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511160304s5d8f2fccn412fb51b2a9c449e@mail.gmail.com><fb4429d10511160323j3398fdb0k215488f3e9e426e0@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I upgraded my iRiver this morning to UMS firmware. Everything seems to
work fine.

Now I can use it also as usb-stick.

Not really relevant to this thread, but I also installed Damn Small
Linux embedded in it. After that there is still room for music files
and I can use DSL inside Linux and Windows without booting. Actually it
is quite slow, but nice trick :-)


-- 
Ufo



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec  3 09:33:43 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:33:43 +0000
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
Message-ID: <20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 07:09:20AM +0100, Goran Ristic wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005, David Hart wrote:
> 
> >I'm surprised that with the number of Mutt users on this list that
> >nobody else has confirmed this yet as visiting two dozen or more
> >mailboxes to check for new mail makes Mutt virtually unusable.
> :) I think, thats because they _only_ use mutt? 
> 
> In fact: When I enter a maildir, read just only some messages, quit and come
> back, the mailbox does not show that there is still unread mail in.

No, that's _normal_ mutt behaviour.  Mutt updates the access time
of the folder/file when you leave it.  It detects new mail in a folder
from the directory view (and when you hit 'c' to change folder) by
comparing the mtime and atime - read it here:

http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual/manual-3.html#ss3.12

    Note: new mail is detected by comparing the last modification
    time to the last access time. Utilities like biff or frm or any
    other program which accesses the mailbox might cause Mutt to
    never detect new mail for that mailbox if they do not properly
    reset the access time. Backup tools are another common reason
    for updated access times.

I didn't know that it used the same method to detect changes in
maildirs (as I've only ever used maildir on imap servers), ... but
now I know it does ;)

I was watching my mail folder with a 'watch -d -n1 "ls -l; ls -lu"'
and as far as I could tell the atime was changing in step with the
mtime as mail was being delivered - so I wasn't seeing _any_ new mail
in Mutt. (I've since discovered that you can set the time interval on
'watch' down to 0.1sec)

But thankfully, (big sigh), I've found what the problem was.  I was
running the Beagle search deamon on the Breezy boxes that I checked.
Beagle (making use of, I believe, the inotify patches in the kernel)
was indexing the mails as fast as they were being delivered.

I've now stopped Beagle indexing my mail folder and Mutt works again
:) Shame to loose indexing of mails though :(  Does anyone have any
ideas to work around it (apart from not using Mutt :)

Thanks to both of you who replied.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec  3 09:36:47 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:36:47 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <868xv2wrnt.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<868xv2wrnt.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203093647.GB14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 07:44:54AM +0000, leon wrote:

> Menu -> Places -> Connect to server ...
> 
> Is it able to connect via ssh?

Yup!  It's in the drop down list on the dialog box.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From col at baibell.org  Sat Dec  3 10:39:41 2005
From: col at baibell.org (Colin Bell)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:39:41 +1100
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203103941.GB8230@asimov.internal.baibell.org>

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 10:52:33AM -0500, Phil wrote:
> I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
> 
> Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are logged
> in /var/log/messages

Did you set the admin password?

ntop -A

Its explained in /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian

-- 
Colin Bell
http://www.baibell.org
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From lists at userdox.com  Sat Dec  3 10:59:33 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff-lists)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:59:33 +1100
Subject: Looking for a map to build my server
Message-ID: <43917A95.1050709@userdox.com>

Hi all,

Its time to build my server, but I'm still *very* new at this so I'm 
hoping to create a map I can follow.  Any pointers and links to howtos 
or other resources gratefully accepted.  This message might be a bit 
long....

What I've Got
==================
Athlon 1GHz
768 M RAM
ASUS A7v MoBo (onboard Promise controller)
4G IDE
2G IDE
80G ATA/100
120G ATA/100
DVD R/W
CD-ROM
Billion 7500G wireless router modem

What I Want To Do
==================
1.  I'd like to have two Subversion repositories, one accessible to my 
LAN only, and one accessible to the world (password protected) over my 
DSL connection.  They are for different projects.

2.  When I rebuild my now very dated website I would like to be able to 
extend it to my own server.  It is currently hosted by a third party and 
keeping part of the site on my own server saves me from paying more 
hosting costs.  I understand that it will be slower to access data on my 
server than from my hosting company, but I can live with that.

3.  Run a series of applications on the server so I can access them from 
any computer at home.  For example, I would like to have GnuCash running 
on the server so I can access accounting services from my desktop in my 
office or my laptop when my wife is on the desktop.

4.  Samba sharing.  The desktop and laptop are both dual boot systems 
and some data is used from all clients.

5.  Remote access to the server from anywhere.  I'd like to be able to 
login to my server from work, or when I'm visiting friends/family etc. 
I know there will be security issues but I don't know what they will be.

6.  FTP.  I would like to have a password only accessible FTP area so 
friends/family can get/put files on the server.

7.  A whole lot more, but this is probably a good start.


What I've Done So Far
=========================
I installed Breezy as a server on the 4G drive.  My basic plan is to use 
the 80G and 120G drives for data and the 4G and 2G drives for the OS. 
I'm working on the assumption that if the old 4G & 2G drives die I'll 
still be able to get my data after installing linux on a new drive.

All client machines are running wireless connections only.  I haven't 
set up networking on the server yet as I intend to move the machine and 
use ethernet over cat5 to the router.  I can do all the work from its 
final location but it gets a bit cold downstairs...


Questions I Already Need Answered
===========================

1.  When I installed Breezy on the 4G drive I just let the install 
package delete everything and install.  The other drives have been in a 
variety of machines and have a variety of file systems on them (NTFS, 
FAT32, FAT16, etc).  How do I prepare them for use?  I don't even know 
how to format, partition, or mount them.

Thanks for all your help,

Geoff




From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 11:06:31 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:36:31 +0530
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <20051203195418.b94ecf2c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <BFE3AAE369B17F46A301FEBED9FD14641DD206@srvexch02.mcaschool.net>
	<429EA8C5.7080202@bssmusic.de>
	<1117706081.6634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Mammoth.1qezay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118418665.7807.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1118419229.27009.0.camel@stupor.i.digital-scurf.org>
	<bursto22.1qfpoy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118449580.20836.0.camel@office.n7xy.net>
	<bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051203195418.b94ecf2c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512030306k4c22083fiaa2138e4848e7bf9@mail.gmail.com>

check that it isnt 885resolution problem, if it's 995/885resolution
problem, you have to install the 885resolution package, choose the
forced resolution  and start it while booting.

revant



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 11:19:56 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:49:56 +0530
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512030306k4c22083fiaa2138e4848e7bf9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFE3AAE369B17F46A301FEBED9FD14641DD206@srvexch02.mcaschool.net>
	<1117706081.6634.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Mammoth.1qezay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118418665.7807.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1118419229.27009.0.camel@stupor.i.digital-scurf.org>
	<bursto22.1qfpoy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1118449580.20836.0.camel@office.n7xy.net>
	<bursto22.1zgf9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051203195418.b94ecf2c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e06f2acd0512030306k4c22083fiaa2138e4848e7bf9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512030319o3d64bb8m48475f39f1b1d568@mail.gmail.com>

it is 855resolution or 955resolution and not 885/995



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 11:22:31 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:52:31 +0530
Subject: gtk themes
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512030322m4d60f0daq3afc3c0f6b64d85@mail.gmail.com>

themes of sudo <any_gtk_program> dont blend with the themes of current user?
This occured from the point i installed gtk-qt engine

any soln?



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 11:36:18 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:36:18 -0500
Subject: Install HP Photosmart 2610 All - in - one
References: <437E0A9D.8010506@ca.inter.net>
	<pan.2005.11.20.04.43.45.776836@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <gsmlinux.1zgpgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


In KDE3.5 if you are networking to the printer use the "Network printer
(ipp)" option from the kprinter wizard as the "other printer" option
does not work. Then enter the hp uri into the next screen. Then just
follow the wizard to completion.


-- 
gsmlinux



From umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be  Sat Dec  3 11:50:36 2005
From: umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be (Umut Tabak)
Date: Sat,  3 Dec 2005 12:50:36 +0100
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
Message-ID: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>


Dear Ubuntu users,

I have a Win XP professional with SP2 working on my current system. I 
want to install Ubuntu along with Linux(on my Dell Latitude D610 
laptop with 1GB ram and 2GHz processor). My HD(60 GB) is comprised of 
only one NTFS partition. I have read that I could partition the drive 
with ntfs resizer with a live CD(such as KNOPPIX). Could anybody give 
some detailed information on the installation of Ubuntu while keeping 
Windows. Or a link that contains information on the subject.(Or number 
the steps to be taken in a simple manner so as to be able to complete 
the install without prblems.)

Many thanks in advance and regards.

Umut TABAK 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 12:14:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:14:05 -0500
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <kenweill.1zgrba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thats a good question.

I have tried installing Linux along with windows(9x, 2000, xp) many
times.

What i've done is I installed Partition Magic 8 and do the
repartitioning.

Partition Magic can make new partitions as long as there is enough free
space on the hard drive. Its very easy to use. Very user friendly.

It is capable of creating new partitions without removing the existing
partition.

Version 8 supports ext3 file system. Lower versions doesnt.

Try it.


-- 
kenweill



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 12:22:36 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:22:36 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<868xv2wrnt.fsf@gmail.com>
	<20051203093647.GB14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <86zmniv08j.fsf@gmail.com>

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> writes:

 | On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 07:44:54AM +0000, leon wrote:
 | 
 | > Menu -> Places -> Connect to server ...
 | > 
 | > Is it able to connect via ssh?
 | 
 | Yup!  It's in the drop down list on the dialog box.

Isn't that what gnome-vfs-sftp do? Maybe I'm wrong. I haven't cared about
what packages gnome is using.

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.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
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. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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.Leon                                         .
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From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 12:44:00 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:44:00 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
In-Reply-To: <86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com> <439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org>
	<86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512030444k24189396g@mail.gmail.com>

Have you seen:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking

?
Worth a shot.

On 03/12/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Christian Eichert <moga at mx.homelinux.org> writes:
>
>  | leon wrote:
>  | > Sorry. I forgot to mention my harddisk is under excellent condition.
>  |
>  | congratulations ;-)
>  | you must be very proud
>  |
>  | can you at least say what laptop it is and what harddisk
>  | what the heck ...
>
> I'm not pround of my laptop. Instead, I want people to focus on the
> bug. Anyway, it's a dell 700m, hardisk: HTS548080M9AT00, bought in July.
>
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> .    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
> .   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
> .   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
> .  /.''.'\                                    .
> .  /.'.'.\                                    .
> . /'.''.'.\                                   .
> . ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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>
>
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http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 12:47:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:47:30 -0500
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com>
	<poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>
	<439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org> <86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arctic.1zgt5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hitachi? Those are known for clicking "occasionally" in both windows and
linux. If you log out and log in again in ubuntu, the clicks will be
gone, I bet. (at least I experienced that with Hitachi hdds)


-- 
arctic



From enbell at wowway.com  Sat Dec  3 13:18:59 2005
From: enbell at wowway.com (Ernie Bell)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:18:59 -0500
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <E1EhyrJ-0000WX-JZ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EhyrJ-0000WX-JZ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43919B43.9090804@wowway.com>

ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

>Send ubuntu-users mailing list submissions to
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>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-users digest..."
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>
>Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box? (Mo Pringles)
>   2. Re: gizmo project var. gizmo project (James Gray)
>   3. Re: Cursed cursors (Brian Astill)
>   4. Re: Rhythmbox plays MP3s badly, then freezes. ('Forum Post)
>   5. Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on
>      Your Box? (Christian Eichert)
>   6. Re: Ubuntu Install and boot issue V5.10 (Hodgins Family)
>   7. Re: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced
>      Windows on	Your Box? (Hodgins Family)
>   8. Re: apt- et dist-upgrade (Oliver Grawert)
>   9. Use desktop monitor as an extension of Laptop monitor
>      (Carthik Sharma)
>  10. Re: Linux made great progress Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced
>      Windows on	Your Box? (Carthik Sharma)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:08:44 +0100
>From: Mo Pringles <mopringles at xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
>To: dcparris at matheteuo.org,	Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
>	<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <438F746C.9030107 at xs4all.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>DC Parris schreef:
>
>  
>
>>This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
>>have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
>>replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
>>need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
>>have completely replaced Windows.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your time.
>>Don
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>It took me 10 months to realise that I didn't boot to Windows anymore. 
>So since a month now, I single boot to Ubuntu.
>  
>
I just took windoz off my lapotp at home, and boot using only ubuntu.

Ernieb




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 13:15:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:15:02 -0500
Subject: gtk themes
References: <e06f2acd0512030322m4d60f0daq3afc3c0f6b64d85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kairu0.1zgu3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Read #4 in the first post of this thread:



http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77694


-- 
kairu0



From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Sat Dec  3 13:41:03 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:41:03 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512022156l19c255f5j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<43910248.1000903@pdx.edu>
	<3f1760512022156l19c255f5j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203134103.GE9288@riva.ucam.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 05:56:06AM +0000, Dick Davies wrote:
> On 03/12/05, Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu> wrote:
> > Mark Doeglas wrote:
> > > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
> >
> >  Go to the Places --> Connect to Server... menu, and in the Service type
> >  drop-down, select SSH.  It works fairly well, though the SFTP protocol
> > does not define the symlink operation, so you cannot make symlinks in
> > remote directories with it.  For most uses, that's not a problem.
> 
> You can use the comand line sftp client to do that, so I'm not sure about
> it being impossible.

Indeed, and it's defined in the current SFTP protocol Internet-Draft
(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-10.txt):

   The SSH_FXP_LINK request creates a link (either hard or symbolic) on
   the server.

       byte   SSH_FXP_LINK
       uint32 request-id
       string new-link-path [UTF-8]
       string existing-path [UTF-8]
       bool   sym-link

   new-link-path
      Specifies the path name of the new link to create.

   existing-path
      Specifies the path of an existing file system object to which the
      new-link-path will refer.

   sym-link
      Specifies that the link should be a symbolic link, or a special
      file that redirects file system parsing to the resulting path.  It
      is generally possible to create symbolic links across device
      boundaries; however, it is not required that a server support
      this.

      If 'sym-link' is false, the link should be a hard link, or a
      second directory entry referring to the same file or directory
      object.  It is generally not possible to create hard links across
      devices.


   The server shall respond with a SSH_FXP_STATUS.  Clients should be
   aware that some servers may return SSH_FX_OP_UNSUPPORTED for either
   the hard-link, sym-link, or both operations.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From almark at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:08:12 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:08:12 +0100
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512030608m35345a54rd506cbaa18d88152@mail.gmail.com>

sftp://myprovider/myhome, in nautilus,  is what I mean  and yes my ISP
supports sftp and shell access.

How ever it does not work on my amd64 breezy computer here

On 12/3/05, Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:27 +0100, Mark Doeglas wrote:
> > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
>
> If you mean the backend for the gnome-vfs that handles ssh:// urls, it
> comes with gnomevfs. Nautilus can by default open locations like
> 'ssh://localhost/home' or whatever.
>
> Did you mean something else?
>
> mike
>
> > Regards
> > Mark
> >
> --
> Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org>
>
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From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sat Dec  3 14:09:41 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:09:41 -0800
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
Message-ID: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>

I need some advice on networking my Ubuntu box with my Windows boxes.

I've read the Ubuntu Wiki on this but there are some gaping holes in the
instructions......

Each of my boxes has two network cards.

They connect through a router to the internet with no file sharing
allowed, and through a hub to each other with file sharing allowed.

In Ubuntu, I can't seem to change the properties for one NIC without
changing the properties for the other, and I don't have a domain, just a
Workgroup.

Any good, *newbie-friendly*, URLs out there?

Thanks!

Lee H. in beautiful Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada!

-- 



From tabbox at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:19:00 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:19:00 -0600
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
In-Reply-To: <kenweill.1zgrba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
	<kenweill.1zgrba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e1bca4870512030619s1a7f8792ode503c00896f5381@mail.gmail.com>

 >Or a link that contains information on the subject.(Or number

http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/

ubuntu dual boot
								
Installing Ubuntu with Windows, 'dual boot', for Absolute
Beginners.


He seem to have tried a traditional "repeat until you get it right" approach.

tab



From dontodd at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:19:52 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:19:52 -0500
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
	<20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
<snip>
> But thankfully, (big sigh), I've found what the problem was.  I was
> running the Beagle search deamon on the Breezy boxes that I checked.
> Beagle (making use of, I believe, the inotify patches in the kernel)
> was indexing the mails as fast as they were being delivered.
>
> I've now stopped Beagle indexing my mail folder and Mutt works again
> :) Shame to loose indexing of mails though :(  Does anyone have any
> ideas to work around it (apart from not using Mutt :)
>
> Thanks to both of you who replied.

Did you build beagle or customize your kernel? I believe on the ubuntu
beagle page it was specifically recommended not to use the inotify
patch. Unless something drastic has changed from hoary to breezy, I
can't imagine inotify is built into the kernel. Wouldn't be the first
time I was wrong, though.

Here I'm using a fresh install of breezy and I don't have any problem
with my fetchmail/postfix/mutt maildir setup. I build mutt from source
for the trash patch.

As far as indexing my  mails with beagle, I do have that working
without modifying times or read status. I just added my Maildirs as
roots to beagle and it works pretty well. I haven't figured out how to
get beagle to use the subject in the search results, instead it uses
the file name.

Todd



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:23:07 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:23:07 +0000
Subject: How to make gnome menu logo changes as icon theme changes? 
Message-ID: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>


I guess breezy use a absolute path in this icon.

It's inconvenient since without root privilege user won't be able to
change the ubuntu logo which doesn't fit some themes. Bug?

-- 
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.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:31:28 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:31:28 +0900
Subject: right-clicking in Evolution doesn't work
Message-ID: <a937801a0512030631o21d904bbp2cf5c8d256e93ca@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I'm using Evo as my computer-based organizer that syncs with my pocket
pc (via opensync/multisync/synce). I have been able to sync some of my data
from my pda to Evo2.

When I right-click inside Evo, it crashes. It crashes when I'm in
Calendar or in Tasks. But it doesn't crash when I'm in Contacts.
What's going on?

I use Ubuntu Linux 5.10 and Gnome and Evolution 2.4.1.



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:25:55 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:25:55 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com> <439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org>
	<86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>
	<3f1760512030444k24189396g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86psoeb6ks.fsf@gmail.com>

Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> writes:

 | Have you seen:
 | 
 | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking
 | 
 | ?
 | Worth a shot.
 | 

Good one:-) thanks.
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From uid000 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:38:52 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:38:52 -0500
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>

First off, I have to say that having every machine on your network
being dual-homed adds a lot of complexity.  If you're looking for
"newbie friendly," that way certainly isn't.

The configuration file, /etc/interfaces, allows you to specify per
interface settings.  As far allowing filesharing over one nic but not
another, that probably will require blocking the appropriate smb ports
for that nic using iptables rules.  There are tools that configure
iptables for you such as firestarter, but I don't know if they're well
suited for a dual-homed configuration.  TCP wrappers may also be able
to help with this, but I'm not sure.  It's been a while since I've
configured samba (assuming this is what you're using), so I don't
remember if there are any directives in smb.conf that control what
interfaces the samba daemons listen on, but if there is then that may
an options.

Since you say that your network is behind a router, I might suggest
that smb traffic is non-routable, so I don't believe it is possible
that your filesharing will be exposed beyond the router, and if your
router is doing NAT, then your especially safe.  If someone wants to
connect to an smb share or enumerate smb information from outside your
network, they'll have to compromise one of the machines via another
attack vector in order to do so.  If that happens, the dual homed
configuration won't help because once they own the box they can talk
and listen through any of its interfaces.  There should be no need to
have your machines be dual homed.
On 12/3/05, Lee H. <spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I need some advice on networking my Ubuntu box with my Windows boxes.
>
> I've read the Ubuntu Wiki on this but there are some gaping holes in the
> instructions......
>
> Each of my boxes has two network cards.
>
> They connect through a router to the internet with no file sharing
> allowed, and through a hub to each other with file sharing allowed.
>
> In Ubuntu, I can't seem to change the properties for one NIC without
> changing the properties for the other, and I don't have a domain, just a
> Workgroup.
>
> Any good, *newbie-friendly*, URLs out there?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee H. in beautiful Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada!
>
> --
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 14:25:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:25:34 -0500
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <gonalo.1zgxsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hi.



myabe this will help you:



http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BreezyCust#Networking_Magic


-- 
gon�alo



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:33:52 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:33:52 +0000
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4dd33d690512030608m35345a54rd506cbaa18d88152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86hd9qb67j.fsf@gmail.com>

Could it be some other reason?

I just did a 'dpkg -l |grep -i sftp' and got nothing. And I use sftp a
lot with nautilus:-)

Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com> writes:

 | sftp://myprovider/myhome, in nautilus,  is what I mean  and yes my ISP
 | supports sftp and shell access.
 | 
 | How ever it does not work on my amd64 breezy computer here
 | 
 | On 12/3/05, Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org> wrote:
 | > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:27 +0100, Mark Doeglas wrote:
 | > > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
 | >
 | > If you mean the backend for the gnome-vfs that handles ssh:// urls, it
 | > comes with gnomevfs. Nautilus can by default open locations like
 | > 'ssh://localhost/home' or whatever.
 | >
 | > Did you mean something else?
 | >
 | > mike
 | >
 | > > Regards
 | > > Mark
 | > >
 | > --
 | > Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org>
 | >
 | > --
 | > ubuntu-users mailing list
 | > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
 | > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
 | >
 | 

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.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
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. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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.Leon                                         .
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 14:30:32 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:30:32 +0000
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com> <poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com> <439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org>
	<86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com> <arctic.1zgt5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86lkz2b6d3.fsf@gmail.com>

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | Hitachi? Those are known for clicking "occasionally" in both windows and
 | linux. If you log out and log in again in ubuntu, the clicks will be
 | gone, I bet. (at least I experienced that with Hitachi hdds)
 | 
Sorry for my English. I hope to explain the situation clearly.

My question is normally the hard disk clicks every 5min and it's
bearable. However, when suspend the laptop say for one hour and switch
it on again it clicks more often in the order of every few seconds.

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.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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.Leon                                         .
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From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sat Dec  3 14:54:12 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:54:12 -0800
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <gonalo.1zgxsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<gonalo.1zgxsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <9bc3p1pacp5sqdq8r0hm9a41a8rv9bp44k@4ax.com>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:25:34 -0500, you wrote:


>
>myabe this will help you:
>
>http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BreezyCust#Networking_Magic
>

Thanks, will check it out!




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You WILL be assimilated!

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From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sat Dec  3 15:07:00 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:07:00 -0800
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rcc3p1d9gl7vkb2ttel836fpkkh1hnet4r@4ax.com>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:38:52 -0500, you wrote:

>First off, I have to say that having every machine on your network
>being dual-homed adds a lot of complexity.  If you're looking for
>"newbie friendly," that way certainly isn't.

Why do I always try to do things the hard way?!?  :)

Of course, back when I was an ignorant, paranoid Windows newbie, it
seemed like a simple, logical way for protection.  I realize now that it
is redundant, but things have worked that way for years and I could
never be bothered to change it. 

>The configuration file, /etc/interfaces, allows you to specify per
>interface settings.  As far allowing filesharing over one nic but not
>another, that probably will require blocking the appropriate smb ports
>for that nic using iptables rules.  There are tools that configure
>iptables for you such as firestarter, but I don't know if they're well
>suited for a dual-homed configuration.  TCP wrappers may also be able
>to help with this, but I'm not sure.  It's been a while since I've
>configured samba (assuming this is what you're using), so I don't
>remember if there are any directives in smb.conf that control what
>interfaces the samba daemons listen on, but if there is then that may
>an options.

I've obviously got a lot more reading to do.  I am using Samba but have
no experience with it (smb = Samba ?), iptables, TCP wrappers.
Unfortunately, reading this stuff makes my eyes glaze over after about
two minutes.  If I can figure out how to actually DO it, then what I
read actually makes sense, and I can usually proceed to the next steps
by myself.  My cross to bear!

>Since you say that your network is behind a router, I might suggest
>that smb traffic is non-routable, so I don't believe it is possible
>that your filesharing will be exposed beyond the router, and if your
>router is doing NAT, then your especially safe.  If someone wants to
>connect to an smb share or enumerate smb information from outside your
>network, they'll have to compromise one of the machines via another
>attack vector in order to do so.  If that happens, the dual homed
>configuration won't help because once they own the box they can talk
>and listen through any of its interfaces.  There should be no need to
>have your machines be dual homed.

Taken under advisement.  Thanks.



--

You WILL be assimilated!

Of course, if you pay exhorbitant prices for brand name products, go to Starbucks for five-dollar cups of coffee, watch Fox sit-coms or use AOL, you probably already have been assimilated!  Wake up!!!



From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 15:13:02 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:13:02 +0900
Subject: syncing my pocket pc with evolution via multisync/opensync/synce
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512030711u26bc8164m517edd4367ceab36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512030711u26bc8164m517edd4367ceab36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a937801a0512030713x67a24624u4319ce79ab948b2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I'm using multisync (with its friends opensync and synce, I think) to
sync my pocketPC to my UbuntuLinux computer with Evolution 2.4.1.


1. Why is the Appointment-Time wrong? For example, on my PDA, I
entered an appointment for 1:30pm-2:30pm on December 13, Tuesday. But
on Evolution, it shows up as 10:30pm-11:30pm on the same day. The
strange thing is: when I double-click on the appointment in Evolution,
in the "appointment tab" 's "date and time" section, the time is
correct (1:30pm -- 2:30 pm), but the time zone is wrong. The time zone
is at UTC.
I'm currently in Japan. My PDA is set to Japan time. My Ubuntu linux
pc is set to Japan Time, and Evolution is set to Japan Time. Why are
all appointments saved as UTC time zone? Do I have to manually switch
each appointment from UTC to my Japan Time Zone?

2. My contacts in PDAs have a section called "Notes". This is the
place to enter stuff that don't fit in the fill-in-the blank forms
(e.g. Email address, mobile phone number). I make use of the Notes
section to enter information that :I have for that contact. But it
doesn't sync to evolution. What can be done about this?

3. I have synced my tasks from pocket pc pda to ubuntulinux evolution.
On Evo, I have purged the finished tasks. When I click either Sync or
Re-Sync in Multiysync, the finished tasks are not erased from my pda.
I can add tasks into Evo and have it synced to my PDA, and I can add
tasks in my PDA and have it synced to my PC's Evo, but why my pocket
pc recognize that the purged tasks are gone in the Evo2, and thus
remove these completed tasks from itself?

--------------------




Pocket PC: (HP Jornada 540 Series, SHx SH3 Processor. MS Windows CE
Version 3.0.9348 (Build 9357) (c) 1996-1999 Microsoft Corp).

Multisync 0.82

Evolution 2.4.1

UBuntu Linux 5.10 Breezy Badger with Gnome



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec  3 15:31:20 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:31:20 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <1133623880.21352.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 20:28 -0500, DC Parris wrote:
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.

For me, Debian replaced Windows, almost two years ago, I think. I kept a
Windows box around to play Age of Empires with my friends, but the
amount of gaming died down over a year ago, the Windows box is now a
Myth box (ubuntu) and my main computer runs Ubuntu as well. Thinking of
ditching my TeraStation and putting together an Ubuntu file server too.
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec  3 15:36:06 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:36:06 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1133624166.21352.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 21:17 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> arpunk Wrote: 
> > Yes, the only issue that keeps pushing me to use windows is that my wife
> > uses msn messenger with webcam, and refuses to use gnomemeeting from
> > time to time :/, guess that will be fixed when the new gaim release is
> > out (dont mind to use amsn...).
> 
> Maybe not..
> 
> I sure I read in a blog recently that Google dumped a barrow load of
> code into the GAIM project and had a hand in tossing out the MSN video
> code that was nearly completed..

http://www.livejournal.com/users/bleeter/12357.html

I think this is the entry you might be talking of?

there is more info here:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=8864408&forum_id=9587

> I'f I could do a word search in BLAM I'd find the article and post it
> :-P

Liferea lets you do just that. Plus when I right click a link to an RSS
feed in my browser (epiphany), Liferea gets it. BLAM! never did, but I
didn't feel like playing with it, so it might be possible.

http://liferea.sourceforge.net/

Available from the repositories.
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From shot at hot.pl  Sat Dec  3 15:39:27 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:39:27 +0100
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
Message-ID: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

The recent David Hart's thread suggested there are some
Mutt[1] users on the list, so let's give my pet peeve a shot:

Mutt, when run inside UTF-8-locale GNOME Terminal and displaying emails
with wrongly (or un-) declared character encodings, makes the GNOME
Terminal display the whole Mutt interface wrongly. I'm not sure I can
describe it if you haven't seen it yourselves, but the final effect
is that unless I refresh the display (with ctrl-l) often and navigate
a bit blindly, I can't read, say, ubuntu-users when, for example,
there's Revant Nandgaonkar's email in the index list.

For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.

Any solutions to this, or at least can
anybody confirm I'm not seeing things?

[1] Is it Mutt or mutt? Even mutt.org isn't consistent on this...

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
                 Never let your sense of morals get in the way
                 of doing what's right.        -- Isaac Asimov
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From brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 15:49:04 2005
From: brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com (Brant Fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:49:04 -0500
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>

Zach wrote:

>First off, I have to say that having every machine on your network
>being dual-homed adds a lot of complexity.  If you're looking for
>"newbie friendly," that way certainly isn't.
>
>The configuration file, /etc/interfaces, allows you to specify per
>interface settings.  As far allowing filesharing over one nic but not
>another, that probably will require blocking the appropriate smb ports
>for that nic using iptables rules.  There are tools that configure
>iptables for you such as firestarter, but I don't know if they're well
>suited for a dual-homed configuration.  TCP wrappers may also be able
>to help with this, but I'm not sure.  It's been a while since I've
>configured samba (assuming this is what you're using), so I don't
>remember if there are any directives in smb.conf that control what
>interfaces the samba daemons listen on, but if there is then that may
>an options.
>
>Since you say that your network is behind a router, I might suggest
>that smb traffic is non-routable, so I don't believe it is possible
>that your filesharing will be exposed beyond the router, and if your
>router is doing NAT, then your especially safe.  If someone wants to
>connect to an smb share or enumerate smb information from outside your
>network, they'll have to compromise one of the machines via another
>attack vector in order to do so.  If that happens, the dual homed
>configuration won't help because once they own the box they can talk
>and listen through any of its interfaces.  There should be no need to
>have your machines be dual homed.
>On 12/3/05, Lee H. <spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca> wrote:
>  
>
>>I need some advice on networking my Ubuntu box with my Windows boxes.
>>
>>I've read the Ubuntu Wiki on this but there are some gaping holes in the
>>instructions......
>>
>>Each of my boxes has two network cards.
>>
>>They connect through a router to the internet with no file sharing
>>allowed, and through a hub to each other with file sharing allowed.
>>
>>In Ubuntu, I can't seem to change the properties for one NIC without
>>changing the properties for the other, and I don't have a domain, just a
>>Workgroup.
>>
>>Any good, *newbie-friendly*, URLs out there?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Lee H. in beautiful Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada!
>>

Samba can indeed bind itself to a particular interface.
http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2549268

Enjoy!

-- 
Brant Fitzsimmons
brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and
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From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec  3 15:51:14 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:51:14 -0800
Subject: Vertical pixel artifacts on Dell 2005FPW
In-Reply-To: <5184347f0512030030r201eaf8y19728f45c00c6260@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5184347f0512030030r201eaf8y19728f45c00c6260@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203155114.GA16503@home.tig-grr.com>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 09:30:59PM +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote:
>    Hi,
>    For the last couple of weeks or so I've been getting regular, but not
>    always a flickering vertical line of pixels about 2" into the edge of
>    my 20" widescreen LCD.  This seems to happen under Gnome, PWM, Window
>    Maker, but NOT when I play a DVD, or play a game in full-screen GL
>    mode, so I'm somewhat suspecting a problem with [1]X.org (but could be
>    wrong?).
>    If I turn the monitor off, or change resolutions it goes away, then a
>    few minutes later it starts again.
>    The machine is using the non-free Nvidia drivers with a Winfast A340
>    (Leadtek) graphics card, at a resolution of 1680x1050, has anyone seen
>    anything similar, or got any suggestions I could try?

I had display issues with a 2001FP that were solved by telling the monitor
to resync (using the OSD menu).

If you have done that and you are still having problems, the next thing I
would try is to verify the X server is using the proper video timings.  Use
OSD and/or the xvidtune application to display and tweak the timings.  I
don't know about the 2005FPW, but many LCD displays work best with a 60hz
refresh rate.

-- 
Pardo's First Postulate: Anything good in life is either illegal, immoral,
or fattening.  Arnold's Addendum: Everything else causes cancer in rats.



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 15:55:23 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:55:23 -0500
Subject: Daily backups
In-Reply-To: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512030755i18f215cey8ae5dea3416b038@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to set up a system to perform automated
> daily incremental and weekly full backups.  So far I have no problem
> using tar for a weekly full backup, but now I'm trying to get it to
> perform daily incremental backups.  I found the --newer-mtime option
> that looks like it should do the trick for daily backups, but I have a
> few small issues still left to work out:
>
> 1) tar gets very noisy with --newer-mtime; it spits out a line for every
> file that it does NOT backup because it's too old
>
> 2) tar seems to include all directories in the archive, regardless of
> their mtime.  This doesn't really hurt anything I suppose, but it seems
> wasteful.
>
> 3) I need a way to generate a date string automatically for yesterday.
> Something like `date --yesterday`.
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
Hello,

I agree with the first reply.  You should try rsync.  I have very
basic needs, but life has been real good since I started using a
fileserver and rsync to backup my files.  You sound like you have more
sophisticated requirements, but here are my notes I made for a friend
of mine to get started.

http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-notes/linux-notes/rsync-ssh-notes.html

Hope it helps,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec  3 16:04:03 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:04:03 -0800
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <20051203160403.GB16503@home.tig-grr.com>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 04:39:27PM +0100, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> The recent David Hart's thread suggested there are some
> Mutt[1] users on the list, so let's give my pet peeve a shot:
> 
> Mutt, when run inside UTF-8-locale GNOME Terminal and displaying emails
> with wrongly (or un-) declared character encodings, makes the GNOME
> Terminal display the whole Mutt interface wrongly. I'm not sure I can
> describe it if you haven't seen it yourselves, but the final effect
> is that unless I refresh the display (with ctrl-l) often and navigate
> a bit blindly, I can't read, say, ubuntu-users when, for example,
> there's Revant Nandgaonkar's email in the index list.
> 
> For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
> spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
> blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
> with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.
> 
> Any solutions to this, or at least can
> anybody confirm I'm not seeing things?

I recall having these kinds of issues when I first started using a UTF-8
locale with mutt+rxvt.  Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact solution (or
if there really was one).  I am currently using rxvt-unicode for my terminal
and my spam folder does not corrupt the display.  But OTOH, I only have
about 10% of the spam that I used to get before installing my greylist
filter.  ;-)

-- 
Psychiatry is the care of the id by the odd.
        -- Anonymous



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Sat Dec  3 16:18:50 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:18:50 -0500
Subject: OT- Games, gamers, and gaming machines
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512022300j6e096982m68e034f9ff66920d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051201130231.39fd8ce6@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512011119k7ca450bfi132a91ee9bdbfccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133469891.13179.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512012333y4b1e7803x4d14bafff562c782@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512020002t69df3e9dw733c25cb9136ee4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133536775.9605.77.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<1133540863.28265.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512022300j6e096982m68e034f9ff66920d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133626730.29353.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 12:30 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> If you are using linux and jimmy want's to play tux cart, your
> financial data is little bit safer than windows. just dont let jimmy
> use root user for playing games.

You don't need root access to damage the machine itself - only physical
access. :)

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <rick at rickandpatty.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Web: http://www.rickandpatty.com
* Blog: http://shrimpandgrits.rickandpatty.com
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From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sat Dec  3 16:21:20 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:21:20 -0800
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4dh3p11s5itehd4reu9pusikg8fkcvmltt@4ax.com>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:49:04 -0500, you wrote:


>
>Samba can indeed bind itself to a particular interface.
>http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2549268
>
>Enjoy!

Interesting reading there.  I have installed Samba, but I don't seem to
have a smb.conf anywhere.  Is this normal?  Do I just create one?

Thanks.

Lee H.




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec  3 16:26:01 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:26:01 +0000
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
	<20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203162601.GA19935@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:

> On 12/3/05, David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
> <snip>
> > But thankfully, (big sigh), I've found what the problem was.  I was
> > running the Beagle search deamon on the Breezy boxes that I checked.
> > Beagle (making use of, I believe, the inotify patches in the kernel)
> > was indexing the mails as fast as they were being delivered.
> >
> > I've now stopped Beagle indexing my mail folder and Mutt works again
> > :) Shame to loose indexing of mails though :(  Does anyone have any
> > ideas to work around it (apart from not using Mutt :)
> >
> > Thanks to both of you who replied.
> 
> Did you build beagle or customize your kernel? I believe on the ubuntu
> beagle page it was specifically recommended not to use the inotify
> patch. Unless something drastic has changed from hoary to breezy, I
> can't imagine inotify is built into the kernel. Wouldn't be the first
> time I was wrong, though.

I just installed beagle from the breezy repositry.  I'd only assumed
that something like inotify was being used because of the astounding
speed with which beagle was picking up changes in the filesystem (do a
search in beagle on a nonsense word, then put a text file in your
filesystem containing it and beagle picks it up in a few seconds or
less).

I understand that inotify is now integrated into kernel 2.6.13 so I
wouldn't've thought it much problem to backport it to breezy's kernel
(but what do I know on these matters :)

> Here I'm using a fresh install of breezy and I don't have any problem
> with my fetchmail/postfix/mutt maildir setup. I build mutt from source
> for the trash patch.

The laptop I'm using now (on which I noticed the problems) is a
fresh install of breezy.  I've used postfix/mutt/procmail since
debian/potato so I'm not really a newcomer to it.

What's the trash patch?
 
> As far as indexing my  mails with beagle, I do have that working
> without modifying times or read status. I just added my Maildirs as
> roots to beagle and it works pretty well. I haven't figured out how to
> get beagle to use the subject in the search results, instead it uses
> the file name.

I think maybe it's because you're using maildir that you're ok.
I use mbox.  It's worked for me so far (on my personal mailboxes)
and I find it more compatible with 'greping' (although I've used
maildir on servers).

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From dontodd at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 16:39:52 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:39:52 -0500
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512030839g298b89cco690597555dad56bb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski <shot at hot.pl> wrote:

> Mutt, when run inside UTF-8-locale GNOME Terminal and displaying emails
> with wrongly (or un-) declared character encodings, makes the GNOME
> Terminal display the whole Mutt interface wrongly. I'm not sure I can
> describe it if you haven't seen it yourselves, but the final effect
> is that unless I refresh the display (with ctrl-l) often and navigate
> a bit blindly, I can't read, say, ubuntu-users when, for example,
> there's Revant Nandgaonkar's email in the index list.
>
> For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
> spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
> blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
> with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.
>
> Any solutions to this, or at least can
> anybody confirm I'm not seeing things?

I had this problem and I can't recall the fix, but I *think* it was a
TERM setting. echo  $TERM for me returns rxvt. This was the thread
that helped: http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.unix.mutt-users/browse_thread/thread/c96ae404d8f12c5f/b2db8795d40b3bb6

If nothing else, you'll find that "screen redraw" is a good search term.

Todd



From dontodd at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 16:45:14 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:45:14 -0500
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <20051203162601.GA19935@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
	<20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051203162601.GA19935@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512030845n56e312f8t28baa511413c14b4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
<snip>
> > Here I'm using a fresh install of breezy and I don't have any problem
> > with my fetchmail/postfix/mutt maildir setup. I build mutt from source
> > for the trash patch.
>
> The laptop I'm using now (on which I noticed the problems) is a
> fresh install of breezy.  I've used postfix/mutt/procmail since
> debian/potato so I'm not really a newcomer to it.
>
> What's the trash patch?

It's a trash folder so when you delete messages they are not
immediately purged and forever lost but sent to your trash folder.
http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/patches/#trash

> > As far as indexing my  mails with beagle, I do have that working
> > without modifying times or read status. I just added my Maildirs as
> > roots to beagle and it works pretty well. I haven't figured out how to
> > get beagle to use the subject in the search results, instead it uses
> > the file name.
>
> I think maybe it's because you're using maildir that you're ok.
> I use mbox.  It's worked for me so far (on my personal mailboxes)
> and I find it more compatible with 'greping' (although I've used
> maildir on servers).

Yeah, I forgot your were using mbox.

Todd



From mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org  Sat Dec  3 16:46:54 2005
From: mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org (Magnus Runesson)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:46:54 +0100
Subject: Daily backups
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512030755i18f215cey8ae5dea3416b038@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512030755i18f215cey8ae5dea3416b038@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133628415.7689.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 10:55 -0500, Kim Briggs wrote:
> On 12/2/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to figure out how to set up a system to perform automated
> > daily incremental and weekly full backups.  So far I have no problem
> > using tar for a weekly full backup, but now I'm trying to get it to
> > perform daily incremental backups.  I found the --newer-mtime option
> > that looks like it should do the trick for daily backups, but I have a
> > few small issues still left to work out:
> >
> > 1) tar gets very noisy with --newer-mtime; it spits out a line for every
> > file that it does NOT backup because it's too old
> >
> > 2) tar seems to include all directories in the archive, regardless of
> > their mtime.  This doesn't really hurt anything I suppose, but it seems
> > wasteful.
> >
> > 3) I need a way to generate a date string automatically for yesterday.
> > Something like `date --yesterday`.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> Hello,
> 
> I agree with the first reply.  You should try rsync.  I have very
> basic needs, but life has been real good since I started using a
> fileserver and rsync to backup my files.  You sound like you have more
> sophisticated requirements, but here are my notes I made for a friend
> of mine to get started.
> 
> http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-notes/linux-notes/rsync-ssh-notes.html
> 
> Hope it helps,
> --
> http://kimbriggs.com


I use the rdiff-backup tool and a cronscript that looks as follows:
# Remove old
/usr/bin/rdiff-backup --force --remove-older-than 1M /srv/backup/rdiff/

# Do rdiff-backup
/usr/bin/rdiff-backup
--exclude-globbing-filelist /opt/local/etc/rdiff-backup.exclude / /srv/backup/rdiff/


This keeps all backups for one month and backups everything acording to
the rules listed in /opt/local/etc/rdiff-backup.exclude

Which looks like:
- **/lost+found
- **/cache
- **/Cache
- **/tmp
- **~
- **.o
- **/#*
- **/.xvpics
- **/.thumbnails
- **/thumbnails
- **/.nfs*
- **/.gnome-smproxy*
- **/.ee/minis/
- **/.sawfish/sessions
- **/.metacity/sessions
- **/.nautilus/thumbnails
- **/.jpi_cache
- **/mysql.sock
- **/.journal
- **/.pwd.lock
- **.rpmnew
- **.rpmsave
- **/.cddb
- **/epiphany/favicon_cache
- **/.galeon/favicons
- **/.kde/share
- **/.kde2/share
- **/proc
+ /etc
+ /home
+ /opt/local
+ /tftpboot
+ /var/lib/squirrelmail
+ /var/log/rpmpkgs
+ /var/lib/mailman
+ /var/named
+ /var/spool/mail
+ /var/spool/imap
+ /root
- **

The destination catalog is of course another disk than the rest of the
system.

Br,
/Magnus 
-- 
Magnus Runesson <mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org>
Linuxalert




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 17:21:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:21:48 -0500
Subject: Daily backups
References: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com><c7e21f4d0512030755i18f215cey8ae5dea3416b038@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133628415.7689.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zh64m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


sbackup -there is a newer version than repositories but it's dead easy
appears in system administration when you install


-- 
teaker1s



From albertwagner at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:46:28 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:46:28 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net> <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Take a look at this:
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
> 
> basically do the following:
> in your /etc/apt/sources.list add the following lines:
> 
> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free
> non-free
> 
> Then at the terminal:
> 
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
> sudo apt-get w32codecs
> sudo apt-get libdvdcss2
> gst-register-0.8
> 
> This should handle most of your media needs. For that link select the
> Windows Media options and enjoy. I think you have to install aditional
> codecs to QT, if I find it I will let you know.
> 
Thank you, but at the install, after update, I get this:

# apt-get update
Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release.gpg [189B]
Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy Release.gpg
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Packages
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/free Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Sources
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/free Sources
Ign http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/free Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Packages
Hit http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/free Sources
Hit http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Sources
Fetched 3B in 2s (1B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
# ~
# apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by 
another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec  3 17:42:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:42:00 -0500
Subject: Hardisk clicks more often when wake up from suspension?
References: <86oe3z859o.fsf@gmail.com>
	<poptones.1zfs4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><867jan7z0z.fsf@gmail.com>
	<439117F7.5000609@mx.homelinux.org><86d5kewrsy.fsf@gmail.com>
	<arctic.1zgt5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org> <86lkz2b6d3.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arctic.1zh71y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


try for now with launching "sudo hdparm -d0 -B 255 /dev/hda". Does it
still click?


-- 
arctic



From awfabian at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 18:04:44 2005
From: awfabian at gmail.com (Adam Fabian)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:04:44 -0600
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl> (shot@hot.pl's
	message of "Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:39:27 +0100")
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <fypajbur.fsf@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net>

GNOME and KDE's terminal programs both have emulation bugs, in my experience.
I tend to jump ship for xterm rather than working out the problems in other
programs.  xterm has been around for long enough that the emulation is very,
very good.  I imagine the code is a horror to look at, but terminal emulation
is dead enough that a stable product works pretty well. =)

Emulation bugs in GNOME's terminal and KDE's konsole have driven me crazy for
years.  Not to say that I know what you're describing is a bug.



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 19:42:40 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:42:40 -0500
Subject: gtk themes
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512030322m4d60f0daq3afc3c0f6b64d85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512030322m4d60f0daq3afc3c0f6b64d85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051203194240.GB26082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar" on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 06:22:31AM EST>

> themes of sudo <any_gtk_program> dont blend with the themes of current user?
> This occured from the point i installed gtk-qt engine
> 
> any soln?

It is because apps run as root dont know to look in your ~/.themes folder.
You could copy or symlink your favorite ~/.themes/mytheme to the
/usr/share/themes/mytheme. A symlink to your ~/.themes folder from
/root/.themes might work even easier.

Seth



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 19:45:36 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:45:36 -0800
Subject: How to make gnome menu logo changes as icon theme changes?
In-Reply-To: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512031145n3bbd9bc0md9c42e6aa55bcfa7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I guess breezy use a absolute path in this icon.
>
> It's inconvenient since without root privilege user won't be able to
> change the ubuntu logo which doesn't fit some themes. Bug?

https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17425

>From from last comment in that bug report it seems it can be done at
the theme level (i.e, you don't need to be root, and any user can do
it when installing a properly created theme):

'You can copy an "distributor-logo.png" to your theme, as a
workaround, it'll be used before the ubuntu logo.'



--
Daniel Robitaille



From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 19:55:51 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:55:51 -0500
Subject: the evolution of my spreadsheet to pdf output...
Message-ID: <37dd77890512031155j2d1a4412s823b8028b1068bf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a little issue, call it insane, call it what you want but here it is:

It all starts with a spreadsheet that I've used for years.  Through
windows, and linux, and always output to PDF.

With windows, I was using Adobe Acrobat to create the PDFs. With
Linux, I have always used OpenOffice's PDF export.

(Windows, Excel 2000 -> PDF)
-rw-rw-r--  1 dclarke dclarke  83827 2004-03-04 10:19 invoice-040122-ms.pdf

(Debian, OO.o1 -> PDF)
-rw-r--r--  1 dclarke dclarke   2933 2005-03-02 13:33 050202-ms.pdf
-rw-r--r--  1 dclarke dclarke   4027 2005-03-17 12:27 050317-ms.pdf

(Ubuntu, OO.o1 -> PDF)
-rw-r--r--  1 dclarke dclarke  75725 2005-04-05 16:02 050405-ms.pdf
-rw-r--r--  1 dclarke dclarke  72781 2005-05-03 16:28 050503-ms.pdf

(Ubuntu, OO.o2 -> PDF)
-rw-r--r--  1 dclarke dclarke 310840 2005-12-03 14:42 051203-ms.pdf

Since I email these files, 75k was "ok", but 310k is pushing it.

So, what gives?

Does anybody have any ideas as to why through two updates of Ubuntu
the filesize has blown up so large?  Same document, it's undergone no
changes except for very basic text input (which replaces previous
data, not adds to...)

That's just my little quirk.
--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From almark at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 20:40:50 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:40:50 +0100
Subject: gnome-vfs-sftp
In-Reply-To: <86hd9qb67j.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <4dd33d690512021627r3d4a089do20350d4707b14668@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133571260.7428.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4dd33d690512030608m35345a54rd506cbaa18d88152@mail.gmail.com>
	<86hd9qb67j.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512031240m747a1b9avca4bee41c637386f@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm that's funny ftp et etc works fine with nautilus but no sftp, it
seems to be missing in libgnomevfs2-common, do you have a amd64 breezy
too?

Regards
Mark


On 12/3/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could it be some other reason?
>
> I just did a 'dpkg -l |grep -i sftp' and got nothing. And I use sftp a
> lot with nautilus:-)
>
> Mark Doeglas <almark at gmail.com> writes:
>
>  | sftp://myprovider/myhome, in nautilus,  is what I mean  and yes my ISP
>  | supports sftp and shell access.
>  |
>  | How ever it does not work on my amd64 breezy computer here
>  |
>  | On 12/3/05, Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org> wrote:
>  | > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:27 +0100, Mark Doeglas wrote:
>  | > > It seems that gnome-vfs-sftp is missing in Breezy  Who knows where I can get it?
>  | >
>  | > If you mean the backend for the gnome-vfs that handles ssh:// urls, it
>  | > comes with gnomevfs. Nautilus can by default open locations like
>  | > 'ssh://localhost/home' or whatever.
>  | >
>  | > Did you mean something else?
>  | >
>  | > mike
>  | >
>  | > > Regards
>  | > > Mark
>  | > >
>  | > --
>  | > Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org>
>  | >
>  | > --
>  | > ubuntu-users mailing list
>  | > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>  | > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>  | >
>  |
>
> --
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> .     *                                       .
> .    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
> .   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
> .   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
> .  /.''.'\                                    .
> .  /.'.'.\                                    .
> . /'.''.'.\                                   .
> . ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 20:46:08 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:46:08 +0000
Subject: nVidia with stock kernel crashes when leaving X
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0511290627n1168380t8f9a64411d3cb9dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A651B.4020204@functionalfuture.com>
	<515e525f0511191452r4e651409x62b8c86fabb48f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511192308x531f2252gaf48e4d113433a65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ezphilosophy.1yyt0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0511232135qbe4e18j3523fd9fa1e489e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0d0b04c0511240658w784f0beajcc7c69a57ddd231a@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511241116k49c7849aoc9a0c9240d5cd49c@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511271315u24045e5p622775cdf2a67ab7@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511280039r72508294t3af558adbafd4b73@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511290627n1168380t8f9a64411d3cb9dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512031246g3c5a26e7t6028f51fad843207@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I'll shut up after this post (as ppl probably are sick of me by now).

I have complained about system freezes that has been un-debuggable. I
have today *finally* managed to compile 2.6.15-rc4 (with KDB 4.4)
using gcc 3.4 rather than gcc 4.0 (Breezy defaults to gcc 4.0) and the
system has so far not crashed using this new kernel.

I have been thinking about this a lot, and if Breezy compiles its
2.6.12 kernel with gcc 4.0 it would explain _a_ _lot_ of the problems
I have had - albeit that it may only manifest itself on k7 arch and
VIA chipsets. A laptop I have works fine with a i686 kernel and the
same install.

All you that have nVidia cards, VIA chipsets and AMD k7 arch, try a
gcc-3.4 compiled kernel and you may be able to escape "hard lock
hell".

Just based on my observations and struggles getting my server back to
fully operational (hard lock after 15 seconds of kernel compile is not
fully functional).

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec  3 21:37:02 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:37:02 +1100
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net> <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:46:28 -0600
Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:

> # apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by 
> another package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> E: Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate

$ apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins
gstreamer0.8-plugins:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.8.11-0ubuntu5
  Version table:
     0.8.11-0ubuntu5 0
        500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages

So it's in the universe repository. I think you need to uncomment the
"universe" lines in your /etc/apt/sources.liat.

Incidentally, I haven't used the "plf" sources personally, but I suspect
it might be a good idea to disable them once you have what you need from
them, to avoid unexpected installations when you run an upgrade.

Peter
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 21:58:33 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:58:33 -0500
Subject: nVidia with stock kernel crashes when leaving X
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512031246g3c5a26e7t6028f51fad843207@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A651B.4020204@functionalfuture.com>
	<515e525f0511191452r4e651409x62b8c86fabb48f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511192308x531f2252gaf48e4d113433a65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ezphilosophy.1yyt0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0511232135qbe4e18j3523fd9fa1e489e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0d0b04c0511240658w784f0beajcc7c69a57ddd231a@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511241116k49c7849aoc9a0c9240d5cd49c@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511271315u24045e5p622775cdf2a67ab7@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511280039r72508294t3af558adbafd4b73@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0511290627n1168380t8f9a64411d3cb9dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0512031246g3c5a26e7t6028f51fad843207@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133647113.10596.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I run that same setup (NVidia GeForce FX5500, Athlon XP 2700+, and VIA
Mobo chipset) and I never had that problem, with any kernel, compiled
with any version of GCC. In fact I was running a slimmed down custom job
compiled with GCC 4.0 + the NVidia driver from NVidia 

~ Chris Peterman

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 20:46 +0000, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Okay, I'll shut up after this post (as ppl probably are sick of me by now).
> 
> I have complained about system freezes that has been un-debuggable. I
> have today *finally* managed to compile 2.6.15-rc4 (with KDB 4.4)
> using gcc 3.4 rather than gcc 4.0 (Breezy defaults to gcc 4.0) and the
> system has so far not crashed using this new kernel.
> 
> I have been thinking about this a lot, and if Breezy compiles its
> 2.6.12 kernel with gcc 4.0 it would explain _a_ _lot_ of the problems
> I have had - albeit that it may only manifest itself on k7 arch and
> VIA chipsets. A laptop I have works fine with a i686 kernel and the
> same install.
> 
> All you that have nVidia cards, VIA chipsets and AMD k7 arch, try a
> gcc-3.4 compiled kernel and you may be able to escape "hard lock
> hell".
> 
> Just based on my observations and struggles getting my server back to
> fully operational (hard lock after 15 seconds of kernel compile is not
> fully functional).
> 
> --
> Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>
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From erich.iseli at iseli.org  Sat Dec  3 22:01:48 2005
From: erich.iseli at iseli.org (erich.iseli at iseli.org)
Date: Sat,  3 Dec 2005 23:01:48 +0100
Subject: X doesn't start
Message-ID: <20051203230148.kt9buv5uok4c44g8@ssl.safecleanemail.com>

Hi folks,

After installing Ubuntu on a new computer with ATI RADEON X700 PRO 
graphic card, X doesn't start. I've tried to figure out what the 
problem is by looking at the config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well as 
the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log with to no avail.

It's interesting to note however that by doing a live-expert start of 
the Live CD, I managed to get it working. Here are the parameters I 
used:

Attempt autodetect video hardware: no
Select desired X server driver: vesa
Enter identifier for your video card: ATI Radeon X 700 Pro
Specify BusID of video card: PCI:1:0:0
Enter amount of memory in Kb: 131072 (the manufacturer says 128MB, so I 
did 128x1024)
Use kernel framebuffer device interface: no
Select the X.org server modules that should be loaded by default: 
GLcore, bitmap, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, type1 and vbe. 
I didn't select dbe, record and v4l.
Write default Files section to config file? yes
Write DRI section to config file? yes
Attempt monitor autodetection: Generic Monitor
Select the video modes: 1280x1024 (I unselected the default choices 
because the ration is not the same as the one given by the vendor. 
1280x1024 is given by the vendor)
Choose method for selecting monitor characteristics: Advanced
Horizontal sync range: 30-82
Vertical refresh range: 56-76
(I got this data from a knoppix live CD which gave me these ranges). 
The data sheet of the manufacturer just mentions 1280x1024 @60Hz.
Write monitro sync ranges to config file? yes
Color depth: 24

I'm attaching the two files mentioned above for your review. I'd be 
glad to find a solution to this problem.

Greetings

Erich
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Sat Dec  3 22:14:52 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:14:52 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
Message-ID: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>

12032005 1611 GMT-5

Im not receiving any messages to help me with all of my broken apps so, 
I have a different question.

If I click on the app and it just doesnt start, it might be a broken 
package -  right? Under Synaptic, I look for the app name but I dont see 
it under Installed software.

How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?

Wade



From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 22:25:13 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:25:13 -0500
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512031425u73468a0aoc24b88e5489df85@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12032005 1611 GMT-5
>
> Im not receiving any messages to help me with all of my broken apps so,
> I have a different question.
>
> If I click on the app and it just doesnt start, it might be a broken
> package -  right? Under Synaptic, I look for the app name but I dont see
> it under Installed software.
>
> How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?
>
> Wade

You can search the contents of packages: http://packages.ubuntu.com/

The standard games all come in 'gnome-games'

The answer is, /usr/games/sol

if you run 'sol' from a command line, you might see an error as to why
it's not starting.

If gnome-games isn't installed, that's a good reason why it wouldn't :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From albi at scii.nl  Sat Dec  3 22:25:58 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:25:58 +0100
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051203232558.ecc24b02.albi@scii.nl>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:14:52 -0600
Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:


> How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?

i've tried the following, dragged the icon for it from the
applications-menu to the gnome-panel, then right-clicked on it and
looked at the properties, which said it's starting /usr/games/sol

then type the following in a terminal :
$ dpkg -S /usr/games/sol
gnome-games: /usr/games/sol

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  3 22:35:32 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:35:32 -0500
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>

Wade Smart wrote:
> 12032005 1611 GMT-5
> 
> Im not receiving any messages to help me with all of my broken apps so, 
> I have a different question.
> 
> If I click on the app and it just doesnt start, it might be a broken 
> package -  right? Under Synaptic, I look for the app name but I dont see 
> it under Installed software.
> 
> How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?
> 
> Wade


Wade:
Here it's /usr/game/sol

-- cmg





From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 23:04:45 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:04:45 -0500
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <20051203230445.GC26082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Shot - Piotr Szotkowski" on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 10:39:27AM EST>

> Mutt, when run inside UTF-8-locale GNOME Terminal and displaying emails
> with wrongly (or un-) declared character encodings, makes the GNOME
> Terminal display the whole Mutt interface wrongly. I'm not sure I can
> describe it if you haven't seen it yourselves, but the final effect
> is that unless I refresh the display (with ctrl-l) often and navigate
> a bit blindly, I can't read, say, ubuntu-users when, for example,
> there's Revant Nandgaonkar's email in the index list.

Have you tried ":set charset = utf-8"? I dont have any issues here using
mutt with Gnome Terminal. Asian fonts work wonderfully for me, which is
surprising since I removed just about all non-english/latin font packages.
My $TERM=xterm and LANG=en_US.UTF-8 

> For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
> spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
> blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
> with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.
> 
> [1] Is it Mutt or mutt? Even mutt.org isn't consistent on this...

My guess is Mutt's the application name and mutt is the command name. Just
like Gnome Terminal is the app name and gnome-terminal is the command name.
I'd assume it's the same with whatever app. People refer to them as either.

Seth




From peter at stoddard.us  Sat Dec  3 23:06:07 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:06:07 -0800
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
Message-ID: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy Badger
system I just installed on my Macintosh Powerbook (12 inch G4).  I would
like a password-protected database that would keep track of my passwords
and other relevant info, like the date I set a password, notes, etc.  An
included password generator would be nice too.  I am currently using
Swordfish from CYBERSA on my Mac, and like it very much.  Does anyone
know of something like that for Gnome 2?  I don't mind compiling from
source, but if there is an easier way, like using Synaptic Package
Manager I'd like to try that first.

If someone has had success compiling a password manager from source for
a Mac PowerPC I would appreciate knowing about that too.

Pete




From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sat Dec  3 23:10:52 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:10:52 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On za, 2005-12-03 at 15:06 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy
> Badger

Revelation is good.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 23:23:33 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:23:33 -0500
Subject: ntop issue
In-Reply-To: <20051203103941.GB8230@asimov.internal.baibell.org>
References: <4527aede0512020752p3f644d8duecf67528303a669c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051203103941.GB8230@asimov.internal.baibell.org>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512031523l51a303fay48b065f0562be5be@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Colin Bell <col at baibell.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 10:52:33AM -0500, Phil wrote:
> > I installed ntop using sudo apt-get install ntop
> >
> > Now when I start the service it immediately stops and no messages are logged
> > in /var/log/messages
>
> Did you set the admin password?
>
> ntop -A
>
> Its explained in /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian

I figured I'd give ntop a shot after seeing this and I too am having troubles.

The initial install setup the user 'ntop' and group 'ntop' which
appears correct.

The config file in /var/lib/ntop/ says to run as user 'ntop' which
also appears correct.

However, when I run it (as root) it fails.  It's attempting to run as
'nobody' a user that cannot read the files in /var/lib/ntop, so it
fails.

root at techno:/var/lib/ntop# ntop
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  ntop will be started as user nobody
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  ntop v.3.0 SourceForge .tgz MT (SSL)
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Configured on Mar 24 2005  3:56:53, built on
Mar 24 2005 03:57:09.
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Copyright 1998-2004 by Luca Deri <deri at ntop.org>
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Get the freshest ntop from http://www.ntop.org/
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Initializing ntop
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Checking eth0 for additional devices
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Resetting traffic statistics for device eth0
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  DLT: Device 0 [eth0] is 1, mtu 1514, header 14
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Initializing gdbm databases
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  Now running as requested user 'nobody' (65534:65534)
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  **FATAL_ERROR** ....open of
/var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  1. Is another instance of ntop running?
Sat Dec  3 18:13:53 2005  2. Make sure that the use you specified can
write in the target directory

In answer to the troubleshooting:
1: no, there's no ntop's running
2: no, the user 'nobody' can not write. It should be running as 'ntop'

I ran `dpkg-reconfigure ntop` in an effort to fix things, and it
confirmed my settings as running as 'ntop' and still failed with the
same as above.

If I chown nobody.nobody to all those files, it'll work -- but that's
clearly the wrong solution here.

The issue apperears that the init script is failing to read
/etc/default/ntop properly.

I changed my /etc/default/ntop to this:
# This file will normally include the debconf template but you can disable
# that and use this file only.
USER="ntop"
INTERFACES="eth0,eth1"
#. /var/lib/ntop/init.cfg
#GETOPT=""

and it now works as expected.  Why isn't it sourcing
/var/lib/ntop/init.cfg ? I cannot answer...

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 23:37:48 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:37:48 -0800
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
In-Reply-To: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512031537q791d72cbtb4d8dbd3c798ded6@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a Win XP professional with SP2 working on my current system. I
> want to install Ubuntu along with Linux(on my Dell Latitude D610
> laptop with 1GB ram and 2GHz processor). My HD(60 GB) is comprised of
> only one NTFS partition. I have read that I could partition the drive
> with ntfs resizer with a live CD(such as KNOPPIX). Could anybody give
> some detailed information on the installation of Ubuntu while keeping
> Windows. Or a link that contains information on the subject.(Or number
> the steps to be taken in a simple manner so as to be able to complete
> the install without prblems.)

The Ubuntu installer can do the partition resizing  for you while
installing Ubuntu; at least it did it when I installed Ubuntu on my
Dell laptop using Hoary.

So during the install, at the repartition step of the install, I asked
the installer to resize my XP ntfs partition to 50% of its original
size, then told Ubuntu to install in the freed space.  At the end of
the installation I had a dual-boot laptop, half using my original XP,
the other half with my new Ubuntu installation, and a grub menu to
select between the two OSes  at boot time.

So in my case it was a painless process.

BUT, before trying this or something else.  DO BACKUPS OF YOUR
IMPORTANT  FILES IN XP.  You never know what could go wrong and
playing with hard drive partitions.

--
Daniel Robitaille



From peter at stoddard.us  Sat Dec  3 23:48:58 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:48:58 -0800
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:10 +0100, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On za, 2005-12-03 at 15:06 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> > I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy
> > Badger
> 
> Revelation is good.

Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/

I have had a problem compiling revelation, and I could use some advice.
When I run configure, I get the error:

> configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.3.90) were not
> met.  Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if
> you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> 
> Alternatively you may set the PYGTK_CFLAGS and PYGTK_LIBS environment
> variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config.  See the pkg-config
> man page for more details.

The only software I have installed is the gcc compilers.  How do I know
what non-standard prefixes I have installed?

Pete




From wade at wadesmart.com  Sat Dec  3 23:55:13 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:55:13 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com> <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>

12032005 1752 GMT-5

Great. I went to Synaptic to gnome-games but it says that there isnt a 
broken package. This is the only error I receive:
ERROR: Unbound variable: droppable?

It doest say that I can reinstall gnome-games.

Wade



Carroll Grigsby wrote:

> Wade Smart wrote:
>
>> 12032005 1611 GMT-5
>>
>> Im not receiving any messages to help me with all of my broken apps 
>> so, I have a different question.
>>
>> If I click on the app and it just doesnt start, it might be a broken 
>> package -  right? Under Synaptic, I look for the app name but I dont 
>> see it under Installed software.
>>
>> How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?
>>
>> Wade
>
>
>
> Wade:
> Here it's /usr/game/sol
>
> -- cmg
>
>
>



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec  3 23:59:58 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:59:58 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> > Revelation is good.
> 
> Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
> http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/
> 
> I have had a problem compiling revelation, and I could use some advice.
> When I run configure, I get the error:


Don't bother compiling it ! It's only a click away, in Synaptic...



--
Vince




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 00:00:34 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:00:34 -0800
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512031600t63fc97cax70c69bad4f76077d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Peter Stoddard <peter at stoddard.us> wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:10 +0100, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> > On za, 2005-12-03 at 15:06 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> > > I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy
> > > Badger
> >
> > Revelation is good.
>
> Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
> http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/

maybe he meant the version already available in the Ubuntu repositories:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/revelation



--
Daniel Robitaille



From wade at wadesmart.com  Sun Dec  4 00:03:58 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:03:58 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com> <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>
	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <4392326E.1070204@wadesmart.com>

1802 GMT-5

Ok. I can reinstall and so I did. After that it still would not work. 
However, I opened the directory with my sodu script and then clicked on 
the icon and it does work. I dont know why but, at least the people in 
my house are happy now.

Wade


Wade Smart wrote:

> 12032005 1752 GMT-5
>
> Great. I went to Synaptic to gnome-games but it says that there isnt a 
> broken package. This is the only error I receive:
> ERROR: Unbound variable: droppable?
>
> It doest say that I can reinstall gnome-games.
>
> Wade
>
>
>
> Carroll Grigsby wrote:
>
>> Wade Smart wrote:
>>
>>> 12032005 1611 GMT-5
>>>
>>> Im not receiving any messages to help me with all of my broken apps 
>>> so, I have a different question.
>>>
>>> If I click on the app and it just doesnt start, it might be a broken 
>>> package -  right? Under Synaptic, I look for the app name but I dont 
>>> see it under Installed software.
>>>
>>> How can I figure out what AisleRiot Solitare name is installed as?
>>>
>>> Wade
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wade:
>> Here it's /usr/game/sol
>>
>> -- cmg
>>
>>
>>
>



From taketwoaspirin at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 00:10:30 2005
From: taketwoaspirin at gmail.com (Stephen Ryan)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:10:30 -0500
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <351278b80512031610g1c09143ajf33a0ad0d5a9ef38@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Peter Stoddard <peter at stoddard.us> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:10 +0100, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> > On za, 2005-12-03 at 15:06 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> > > I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy
> > > Badger
> >
> > Revelation is good.
>
> Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
> http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/



It's also available in universe, if you'd like to save yourself the effort.

I have had a problem compiling revelation, and I could use some advice.
> When I run configure, I get the error:
>
> > configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.3.90) were not
> > met.  Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if
> > you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> >
> > Alternatively you may set the PYGTK_CFLAGS and PYGTK_LIBS environment
> > variables to avoid the need to call pkg-config.  See the pkg-config
> > man page for more details.
>
> The only software I have installed is the gcc compilers.  How do I know
> what non-standard prefixes I have installed?


If you still want to compile it yourself, you'll need to install a bunch of
*-dev packages; in this case, it looks like python-gtk2-dev is missing (I
just checked, and it wasn't part of a stock Breezy install).  The exact list
is likely to be quite long, and I think I'd be in over my head trying to
tell you exactly what you'd need.
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From theine at nordita.dk  Sun Dec  4 00:18:51 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:18:51 +0100
Subject: X doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <20051203230148.kt9buv5uok4c44g8@ssl.safecleanemail.com>
References: <20051203230148.kt9buv5uok4c44g8@ssl.safecleanemail.com>
Message-ID: <439235EB.5040809@nordita.dk>

 > It's interesting to note however that by doing a live-expert start of
 > the Live CD, I managed to get it working. Here are the parameters I used:
 >
 > ...
 >
 > Attempt autodetect video hardware: no
 > Select desired X server driver: vesa
 >
 > ...
 >
 > I'm attaching the two files mentioned above for your review. I'd be glad
 > to find a solution to this problem.
 >
 > ...
 >
 > (WW) ATI:  PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected!
 >
 > (WW) ATI:  PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:1 will not be enabled
 >
 >  because it conflicts with another non-video PCI device.
 >
 > (EE) No devices detected.

Not being able to look at your /etc/xorg.conf (it appears to be a binary
file of zero size) I would guess that it specifies the "ati" driver in
the device section. Try changing that to "vesa".

If that works, you at least have a running X server while finding out
why exactly the "ati" driver isn't working...


Regards,

Tobi



From stanb at panix.com  Sun Dec  4 00:18:45 2005
From: stanb at panix.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:18:45 -0500
Subject: 3rd try arrow keys in totem
In-Reply-To: <20051202185922.GC13446@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051202182011.GA2972@teddy.fas.com>
	<20051202185922.GC13446@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051204001845.GA17804@teddy.fas.com>

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 06:59:22PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:20:11PM -0500, stan wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone confirm that they are able to use the arrow keys to jump foward
> > and backward in totem while playing a video?
> > 
> > The man page claims this works, but it does _not_ work on 2 different
> > machines for me, and I've posted to the list twice before asking about
> > this. So far I have reeived 0 replies :-(
> 
> Works for me.  Pressing right jumps forward a minute, pressing left
> jumps back 15 seconds.
> 
Thanks, that at least confirms that it works for some installations. Did
you have to do naything to get it set up?


-- 
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror 
- New York Times 9/3/1967



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sun Dec  4 00:18:41 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:18:41 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133655522.11925.8.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On za, 2005-12-03 at 15:48 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
> http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/

No the Ubuntu package from the Universe section :)
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 00:30:42 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:30:42 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net>
	<20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <439238B2.6040308@cox.net>

Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:46:28 -0600
> Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote: 
> 
>># apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
>>Reading package lists... Done
>>Building dependency tree... Done
>>Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by 
>>another package.
>>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
>>is only available from another source
>>E: Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate
> 
> 
> $ apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins
> gstreamer0.8-plugins:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 0.8.11-0ubuntu5
>   Version table:
>      0.8.11-0ubuntu5 0
>         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
> 
> So it's in the universe repository. I think you need to uncomment the
> "universe" lines in your /etc/apt/sources.liat.
> 
> Incidentally, I haven't used the "plf" sources personally, but I suspect
> it might be a good idea to disable them once you have what you need from
> them, to avoid unexpected installations when you run an upgrade.
> 
Thank you, Peter.  That got me part way through. However, although these 
two commands ran:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins

These three failed:

gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
sudo apt-get w32codecs
sudo apt-get libdvdcss2

# ~
# gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
bash: gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse: command not found
# ~
# apt-get w32codecs
E: Invalid operation w32codecs
# ~
# apt-get libdvdcss2
E: Invalid operation libdvdcss2


I didn't even try the last:
gst-register-0.8

I have no idea if the first two successes have any utility without the 
remaining four.



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 00:53:38 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:53:38 -0500
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <4dh3p11s5itehd4reu9pusikg8fkcvmltt@4ax.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>
	<4dh3p11s5itehd4reu9pusikg8fkcvmltt@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20051204005338.GD26082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Lee H." on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 11:21:20AM EST>

> 
> Interesting reading there.  I have installed Samba, but I don't seem to
> have a smb.conf anywhere.  Is this normal?  Do I just create one?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lee H.

The smb.conf file is in /etc/samba/smb.conf I think the samba-common package
creates one there after its configured. Try
`sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common` if it's not there.

Seth



From mikeraz at patch.com  Sun Dec  4 00:53:37 2005
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:53:37 -0800
Subject: failure of gconf2 install,
	overwriting /usr/share/sgml/gconf/gconf-1.0.dtd
Message-ID: <20051204005337.GA9730@patch.com>

Hi,

I'm in a locked up situation with my upgrade from Hoary to Breezy:
(Third machine to upgrade, third time is not a charm.)

The error is:

  Extracting templates from packages: 100%
  Preconfiguring packages ...
  Selecting previously deselected package gconf2.
  (Reading database ... 105815 files and directories currently
  installed.)
  Preparing to replace gconf2 2.10.1-6 (using
  .../gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement gconf2 ...
  dpkg: error processing
  /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
   trying to overwrite `/usr/share/sgml/gconf/gconf-1.0.dtd', which is
   also in package gconf2-common
   dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
   Errors were encountered while processing:
    /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

How do I correct this situation?  Attempting to remove gconf2-common
also errors out.

   tire:/var/cache# apt-get -f remove gconf2-common
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gconf2: Depends: gconf2-common (= 2.10.1-6) but it is not going to be installed
  libgconf2-4: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.12.0-0ubuntu1) but 2.10.1-6 is to be installed
  libgnomevfs2-common: Depends: libgamin0 but it is not going to be installed
                       Depends: libhal-storage1 but it is not going to be installed
                       Depends: libhal1 (>= 0.5) but it is not going to be installed
                       Depends: pmount (>= 0.9.5-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
        http://www.patch.com/words/
  The fortune cookie says:
Arithmetic:
	An obscure art no longer practiced in the world's developed countries.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 00:42:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:42:12 -0500
Subject: linux-headers VS kernel-headers
References: <438B59DE.1000300@gcom.com>
Message-ID: <compless.1zhqhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try version 9.008.4 of the kernel-package. Took me the whole day to
figure out it was a bug in the kernel-package supplied by ubuntu.


-- 
compless



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 01:08:00 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:08:00 -0500
Subject: X doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <439235EB.5040809@nordita.dk>
References: <20051203230148.kt9buv5uok4c44g8@ssl.safecleanemail.com>
	<439235EB.5040809@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512031708t39e1713bqa49329bb9f149504@mail.gmail.com>

> Not being able to look at your /etc/xorg.conf (it appears to be a binary
> file of zero size)

FYI only:  I did not have any trouble saving/opening the attachments.

Contents of xorg.conf
================================================================
# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)

#

# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using

# values from the debconf database.

#

# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.

# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)

#

# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*

# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg

# package.

#

# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated

# again, run the following command:

#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg



Section "Files"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"

	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"

        # paths to defoma fonts

	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"

	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"

EndSection



Section "Module"

	Load	"GLcore"

	Load	"i2c"

	Load	"bitmap"

	Load	"ddc"

	Load	"dri"

	Load	"extmod"

	Load	"freetype"

	Load	"glx"

	Load	"int10"

	Load	"type1"

	Load	"vbe"

EndSection



Section "InputDevice"

	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"

	Driver		"kbd"

	Option		"CoreKeyboard"

	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"

	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"

	Option		"XkbLayout"	"ch"

	Option		"XkbVariant"	"de"

EndSection



Section "InputDevice"

	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"

	Driver		"mouse"

	Option		"CorePointer"

	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"

	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"

	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"

	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"

EndSection



Section "Device"

	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X700 Pro (RV410)"

	Driver		"ati"

	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"

EndSection



Section "Monitor"

	Identifier	"Standardbildschirm"

	Option		"DPMS"

	HorizSync	30-82

	VertRefresh	56-76

EndSection



Section "Screen"

	Identifier	"Default Screen"

	Device		"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X700 Pro (RV410)"

	Monitor		"Standardbildschirm"

	DefaultDepth	24

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		1

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		4

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		8

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		15

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		16

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

	SubSection "Display"

		Depth		24

		Modes		"1280x1024"

	EndSubSection

EndSection



Section "ServerLayout"

	Identifier	"Default Layout"

	Screen		"Default Screen"

	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"

	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"

EndSection



Section "DRI"

	Mode	0666

EndSection

============================================================
cheers,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From wade at wadesmart.com  Sun Dec  4 01:08:39 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:08:39 -0600
Subject: Music App
Message-ID: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>

12032005 1907 GMT-5

When I listen to cd's Sound Juicer comes up.  Is there a app with EQ 
controls?

Wade



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 01:10:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:10:42 -0500
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <azz.1zhrfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Umut Tabak Wrote: 
> Dear Ubuntu users,

> 

> I have a Win XP professional with SP2 working on my current system. I 

> want to install Ubuntu along with Linux(on my Dell Latitude D610 

> laptop with 1GB ram and 2GHz processor). My HD(60 GB) is comprised of 

> only one NTFS partition. I have read that I could partition the drive 

> with ntfs resizer with a live CD(such as KNOPPIX). Could anybody give 

> some detailed information on the installation of Ubuntu while keeping 

> Windows. Or a link that contains information on the subject.(Or number
> 

> the steps to be taken in a simple manner so as to be able to complete 

> the install without prblems.)

> 

> Many thanks in advance and regards.

> 

> Umut TABAK 

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Here is a link:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo



https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation



I would advise against Windows partition tools, since most (99 percent)
of the problems that users report on the forums regarding this aspect
involves non-linux partitioning tools.  



A lot of work has gone into the installer and it works very well.  As
it has been said, the installer's partitioner will automagically
partition an NTFS partition if it needs the space to install Ubuntu. 
Be aware of what you are doing, but most of the time, you can take the
default and you will be good to go.



Also, probably the majority of Ubuntu installs involve such
dual-booting with windows (or another OS) so do not worry.  It is quite
safe.  



(I still reccommend you do a backup of your important data.  I am very
confident, but not foolish)


-- 
azz



From ggrubbish at web.de  Sun Dec  4 01:29:03 2005
From: ggrubbish at web.de (Gerhard =?utf-8?q?Gau=C3=9Fling?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:29:03 +0100
Subject: Firefox bug reporting (breezy)
In-Reply-To: <877jandyvc.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
References: <438B5AED.6040301@ntlworld.com>
	<1133428772.8807.65.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<877jandyvc.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <200512040229.03862.ggrubbish@web.de>

Am Freitag 02 Dezember 2005 21:31 schrieb Jhair Tocancipa Triana:
> Dennis Kaarsemaker writes:
> > On ma, 2005-11-28 at 19:30 +0000, Toby Kelsey wrote:
> >> I wanted to report a bug in Firefox and followed the 'online help'
> >> menu item. This took me to
> >> <https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/firefox/+bugs
> >>> and to report a bug I found I had to register with launchpad.
> >>
> >> Registering and going to the 'Bugs' tab got me to
> >> <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+assignedbugs> and when
> >> I tried to start my bug report by clicking on 'open a new bug' I
> >> got to <https://launchpad.net/people/toby-kelsey/+filebug>
> >> which said:
> >>
> >> Page not found
> >>
> >> There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.
> >
> > That is a known bug with launchpad, after logging in you can simply
> > go back to the first url and file the bug there. But firefox is in
> > main, so this bug should be files at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
>
> When will be this unified? It is a PITA to file some bugs in
> Launchpad and others in bugzilla...
It is, and be shure of that: Not only that is a pitty on ubuntu's 
bugreporting system.

I'm somewhat disappointed (to stay friendly...)

Gerhard Gaußling



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec  4 01:33:32 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:33:32 +1100
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <439238B2.6040308@cox.net>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net> <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net>
	<20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20051204123332.8587c9b6.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:30:42 -0600
Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:

> Peter Garrett wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:46:28 -0600
> > Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote: 
> > 
> >># apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> >>Reading package lists... Done
> >>Building dependency tree... Done
> >>Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by 
> >>another package.
> >>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> >>is only available from another source
> >>E: Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate
> > 
> > 
> > $ apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins
> > gstreamer0.8-plugins:
> >   Installed: (none)
> >   Candidate: 0.8.11-0ubuntu5
> >   Version table:
> >      0.8.11-0ubuntu5 0
> >         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
> > 
> > So it's in the universe repository. I think you need to uncomment the
> > "universe" lines in your /etc/apt/sources.liat.
> > 
> > Incidentally, I haven't used the "plf" sources personally, but I suspect
> > it might be a good idea to disable them once you have what you need from
> > them, to avoid unexpected installations when you run an upgrade.
> > 
> Thank you, Peter.  That got me part way through. However, although these 
> two commands ran:
> 
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> 
> These three failed:
> 
> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
> sudo apt-get w32codecs
> sudo apt-get libdvdcss2

sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse 

and so on (looks like you left out the "install" part - so apt looks at
the next entry and gets confused as below...
> 
> # ~
> # gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
> bash: gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse: command not found
> # ~
> # apt-get w32codecs

apt-get install w32codecs

(note the *install* part! )

> E: Invalid operation w32codecs
> # ~
> # apt-get libdvdcss2
> E: Invalid operation libdvdcss2
> 
> 
> I didn't even try the last:
> gst-register-0.8
> 
> I have no idea if the first two successes have any utility without the 
> remaining four.

 You can install the lot in one line

sudo apt-get install foo bar whatever something-else

Substituting actual package names, of course ;-)

You might want to read

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto

For more than you ever wanted to know about apt, ( *grin*) , install the  "
apt-howto" package, and type "apt-howto" in your terminal - it should open
in your browser. Or if you prefer, read the same document at 

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html


Peter



-- 

Linux User #343161 



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 01:36:42 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:36:42 -0500
Subject: Music App
In-Reply-To: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
References: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1133660202.14499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Beep Media Player

sudo apt-get install beep-media-player

~Chris Peterman

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 19:08 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12032005 1907 GMT-5
> 
> When I listen to cd's Sound Juicer comes up.  Is there a app with EQ 
> controls?
> 
> Wade
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 01:29:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:29:25 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zhscm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> 
> These three failed:
> 
> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg

This is supposed to be one command:

Code:
--------------------
    sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
--------------------


on a single line.

HTH
AM

PS: Also as Peter suggested, comment out the plf repository lines from
/etc/apt/sources.list (is add a '#' character infront of them) after
you are done with this whole process.


-- 
amohanty



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 01:55:22 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:25:22 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Oh..Thats cool.I have Damn samll Linux too.But don`t use it from
iriver.Doesyour Backlight work alright..Anything thats not working
from the normal
firmware.
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/3/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> I upgraded my iRiver this morning to UMS firmware. Everything seems to
> work fine.
>
> Now I can use it also as usb-stick.
>
> Not really relevant to this thread, but I also installed Damn Small
> Linux embedded in it. After that there is still room for music files
> and I can use DSL inside Linux and Windows without booting. Actually it
> is quite slow, but nice trick :-)
>
>
> --
> Ufo
>
> --
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From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 01:56:32 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:56:32 -0500
Subject: failure of gconf2 install,
	overwriting /usr/share/sgml/gconf/gconf-1.0.dtd
In-Reply-To: <20051204005337.GA9730@patch.com>
References: <20051204005337.GA9730@patch.com>
Message-ID: <20051204015631.GF26082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Michael Rasmussen" on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 07:53:37PM EST>

> Hi,
> 
> I'm in a locked up situation with my upgrade from Hoary to Breezy:
> (Third machine to upgrade, third time is not a charm.)
> 
> The error is:
> 
>   Preparing to replace gconf2 2.10.1-6 (using
>   .../gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
>   Unpacking replacement gconf2 ...
>   dpkg: error processing
>   /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
>    trying to overwrite `/usr/share/sgml/gconf/gconf-1.0.dtd', which is
>    also in package gconf2-common
>    dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
>    Errors were encountered while processing:
>     /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_2.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
> 	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> How do I correct this situation?  Attempting to remove gconf2-common
> also errors out.

Oh God I hate when that happens! Sometimes on certain dist-upgrades apt
needs a kick. What I did to resolve it was running:
    dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/$badpackage.deb
where $badpackage.deb was whatever package was giving problems. After that,
dist-upgrade usually goes on without a hitch. Use --force-overwrite with
caution though.

Seth



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 01:44:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:44:19 -0500
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net>
	<4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk><3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com><e06f2acd0512022216l60d09a35p49e68d24a1ea55ba@mail.gmail.com><amohanty.1zgchy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512022335l1169d369gd29e1c10abc97b94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I am sorry, I am not familiar with the Dynamic Volume thingy. What is
it? 

And did you get a chance to look at the link I posted previously?



AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 01:45:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:45:38 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Whoops my bad, just corrected my above posted.



AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 01:42:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:42:12 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net>
Message-ID: <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've been also watching this thread as I am having the same problem with
Totem, namely it won't play anything. I followed the above steps and I
am also successful up until these lines:


Code:
--------------------
    

  gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg

  sudo apt-get w32codecs

  sudo apt-get libdvdcss2

  
--------------------




In addition, now Totem crashes with the following error message:


Code:
--------------------
    

  (totem:17709): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed

  

  (totem:17709): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed

  ** Message: Couldn't initialize lirc.

  

  The program 'totem' received an X Window System error.

  This probably reflects a bug in the program.

  The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.

  (Details: serial 52 error_code 11 request_code 140 minor_code 19)

  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;

  that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.

  To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line

  option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful

  backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)

  
--------------------


-- 
zeeone



From prolibertine at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 01:58:02 2005
From: prolibertine at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?1dS54g==?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:58:02 +0800
Subject: Music App
In-Reply-To: <1133660202.14499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
	<1133660202.14499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1ece08820512031758s55f216ceg@mail.gmail.com>

xmms is also good enough
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* http://poorc.wordpress.com
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From prolibertine at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 02:11:07 2005
From: prolibertine at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?1dS54g==?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:11:07 +0800
Subject: X doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512031708t39e1713bqa49329bb9f149504@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051203230148.kt9buv5uok4c44g8@ssl.safecleanemail.com>
	<439235EB.5040809@nordita.dk>
	<c7e21f4d0512031708t39e1713bqa49329bb9f149504@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ece08820512031811r4a3ef644o@mail.gmail.com>

please remove
       Load    "bitmap"
       Load    "dri"
in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 02:07:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:07:23 -0500
Subject: ejecting ipod shuffle
References: <ff026c5205090719376f180c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<431FA64B.8010202@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <Roadrunner777.1zhu7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Matt, you ROCK!!! I've been annoyed by this problem since day one, and
your fix worked great. Thank You Very Much for taking the time to pass
it on.

Phil


-- 
Roadrunner777



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 02:24:51 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:24:51 -0500
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512022250l69e64127g6dea313de493df5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512022250l69e64127g6dea313de493df5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051204022451.GG26082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Kim Briggs" on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 01:50:13AM EST>

> On 12/2/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> > 12022005 1312 GMT-5
> >
> > I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> > random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> > Quickly!
> >
> > Wade
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> Hi There,
> 
> Here's mine in perl:
> 
> http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-software/rename-files.txt

prefixsuffix works for that as well. It's in universe:
    sudo aptitude install prefixsuffix

Seth



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 02:27:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:27:26 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Still no luck playing any of the popular formats. This is getting quite
frustrating ...


-- 
zeeone



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 02:30:47 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:30:47 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


What are you trying to play?
Also do you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
AM


-- 
amohanty



From tony.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 02:44:11 2005
From: tony.kruse at gmail.com (Tony)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:44:11 -0500
Subject: ejecting ipod shuffle
In-Reply-To: <431FA64B.8010202@v8zman.com>
References: <ff026c5205090719376f180c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<431FA64B.8010202@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <52fe24490512031844v48072fc8n8a82fea374bfadf4@mail.gmail.com>

I have also had this problem.  I will give this a try.

Another problem I have been having with my iPod Shuffle (using Breezy and
gnupod 0.98-3):

I have had an instance using gnupod, where after adding the mp3s and issuing
the mktunes command, I unmount the iPod,  however I was unable to play
anything.  After trying to delete the songs and reinstall them, still could
not play them.

I then did a clean install of Apple's iPod software (on a Mac) and then
tried again, using gnupod as instructed in the manual.  The first time I
tried, it was successful and played the mp3s fine.  However, later after
deleting old mp3s and adding new mp3s, I again was not able to play
anything.  I anyone else having this problem?

Tony

On 9/7/05, Matt Patterson <matt at v8zman.com> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember having this problem as well. The trick that was
> passed on to me (and seems to have solved it indirectly) is to do:
>
> sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject
>
> This adds rights to the executable by default (pretty sure). You can
> give it a quick try, and if it doesnt fix it just undo it with
>
> sudo chmod -s /usr/bin/eject
>
>
> Good luck,
> Matt
>
>
>
> Byron Poland wrote:
>
> >I have an ipod shuffle, and on Breezy when I go to unplug it, I right
> >click the ipod icon, and select unmount, and the device is unmounted,
> >but I get an eject error box:
> >
> >Unable to eject media
> >eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
> >
> >
> >no response in syslog.  I unplug the shuffle and I get a usb
> >disconnect message in syslog.
> >
> >would like to know how to actually eject the shuffle.  (it works fine
> >with gtkpod)
> >
> >(just tested my 4g ipod and it suffers from the same thing)
> >
> >everything seems to work now when I replug it in (minus the eject)
> >however I've had issues in the past with scsi io loop issues. so would
> >like to know how to actually eject these things
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 02:50:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:50:20 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zeeone.1zhw1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


amohanty Wrote: 
> What are you trying to play?

> Also do you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?

> AM



I'm trying to play a simple AVI file and a WMV file. I also tried MPEG
file too.

I don't know what totem I have. How do I check?


-- 
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 03:03:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:03:50 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhw1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zhwzb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> I'm trying to play a simple AVI file and a WMV file. I also tried MPEG
> file too.

> I don't know what totem I have. How do I check?



And you were able to do all of the above :



> in your /etc/apt/sources.list add the following lines:

> > 
Code:
--------------------
  >   > 

  > deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free

  > deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free

  > 
--------------------
> > 

> 

> Then at the terminal:

> 

> Code:

> > 
Code:
--------------------
  >   > 

  > sudo apt-get update 

  > sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 

  > sudo apt-get install w32codecs 

  > sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 

  > gst-register-0.8

  > 
--------------------
> > 

> 



Now try the following:


Code:
--------------------
    sudo apt-get install totem-xine
--------------------




This will prompt you that it will remove totem-gstreamer (I have had
problems with it in the past) and install totem-xine.

Say Y and install it.



Although its completely not required for good measure reboot.

Now you _should_ be able to play most common media files. If you cant:

Launch totem from the terminal (to see any debug messages)


Code:
--------------------
    totem
--------------------




Try and play the file and post the results in the terminal if it
fails.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From T.Six at gmx.de  Sun Dec  4 03:28:15 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:28:15 +0100
Subject: removable Media
Message-ID: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello

I have a problem with my removable usb-medias.

The Icon on the desktop does not appear anymore and it does not get
mounted, although the system recognize them.
See below.

What could be wrong?

TIA Thilo



When i plug it in, syslog says:

[4295913.522000] usb-storage: device found at 4
[4295913.522000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[10278]:      usb-storage: already loaded
kernel: [4295918.770000]   Vendor: ST650211  Model: CF   Rev: 3.04
kernel: [4295918.770000]   Type:   Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
kernel: [4295918.914000] SCSI device sda: 9767520 512-byte hdwr sectors
(5001 MB)
kernel: [4295918.917000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
kernel: [4295919.040000] SCSI device sda: 9767520 512-byte hdwr sectors
(5001 MB)
kernel: [4295919.040000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
kernel: [4295919.040000]  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
kernel: [4295920.370000] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id
0, lun 0
kernel: [4295920.382000] usb-storage: device scan complete
scsi.agent[10326]:      sd_mod: loaded sucessfully (for disk)


$ l /dev/sda*
brw-r-----  1 root plugdev 8, 0 04.12.05 04:08 /dev/sda
brw-r-----  1 root plugdev 8, 1 04.12.05 04:08 /dev/sda1

$ l /media/
insgesamt 12K
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    6 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom -> cdrom0/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom0/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom1/
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    7 07.05.05 21:37 floppy -> floppy0/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 floppy0/

$ mount
/dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-k7/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
/dev/hda6 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext3 (rw,noatime)
/dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 03:29:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:29:44 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Message-ID: <zeeone.1zhxwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did exactly as you suggested. Totem crashes when run in the command
line. Here is the output:


Code:
--------------------
    

  (totem:20881): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed

  

  (totem:20881): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed

  Benchmarking memcpy methods (smaller is better):

  libc memcpy() : 242050305

  linux kernel memcpy() : 253390627

  MMX optimized memcpy() : 245644597

  MMXEXT optimized memcpy() : 170554755

  SSE optimized memcpy() : 168795547

  load_plugins: skipping unreadable plugin directory /home/stefan/.xine/plugins.

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_flac.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_flac.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_audio_filters.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_audio_filters.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_goom.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_mosaico.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_planar.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_switch.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_tvtime.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_visualizations.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_visualizations.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/post/xineplug_post_visualizations.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_bitplane.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_alsa.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_arts.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_esd.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_file.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_none.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_ao_out_oss.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_a52.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_dvaudio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_dts.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_dxr3_video.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_dxr3_spu.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_gsm610.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_faad.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_ff.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_ff.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_ff.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_real_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_image.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_lpcm.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_mad.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_mpc.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_mpeg2.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_nsf.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_qt.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_qt.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_real.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_speex.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_rgb.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_spucc.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_spu.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_spucmml.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_spudvb.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_sputext.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_theora.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_vorbis.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_w32dll.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_w32dll.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_decode_yuv.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_asf.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_audio.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_avi.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_fli.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_flv.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_games.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_iff.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_image.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_matroska.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mng.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mpeg.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mpeg_block.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mpeg_elem.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mpeg_pes.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_mpeg_ts.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_nsv.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_ogg.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_ogg.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_pva.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_qt.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_rawdv.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_real.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_slave.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_sputext.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_yuv4mpeg2.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_dmx_yuv_frames.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_cdda.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_dvb.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_dvd.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_file.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_gnome_vfs.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_http.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_mms.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_net.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_pnm.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_pvr.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_rtp.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_rtsp.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_smb.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_stdin_fifo.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_v4l.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_v4l.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_vcd.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_inp_vcdo.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_aa.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_caca.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_dxr3.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_dxr3.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_fb.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_none.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_opengl.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_sdl.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_vidix.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_vidix.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_xshm.so found

  load_plugins: plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_xv.so found

  init class succeeded

  gnome_vfs init_input_class

  params.c:OpenConfFile() - Unable to open configuration file "/home/stefan/.smb/smb.conf":

  No such file or directory

  Using netbios name GAZELLE.

  Using workgroup MSHOME.

  video_out_xv: using Xv port 61 from adaptor NV Video Overlay for hardware colorspace conversion and scaling.

  video_out_xv: double buffering mode = 1

  video_out_xv: port attribute XV_COLORKEY (6) value is 66046

  video_out_xv: port attribute XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY (7) value is 0

  video_out_xv: port attribute XV_BRIGHTNESS (5) value is -1

  video_out_xv: port attribute XV_CONTRAST (4) value is 4095

  video_out_xv: port attribute XV_SATURATION (3) value is 4095

  video_out_xv: ignoring broken XV_HUE settings on NVidia cardsvideo_out_xv: this adaptor supports the yuy2 format.

  video_out_xv: this adaptor supports the yv12 format.

  x11osd: unscaled overlay created (Colorkey mode).

  video_out: thread created

  audio_alsa_out : supported modes are 8bit 16bit 24bit 32bit mono stereo (4-channel not enabled in xine config) (4.1-channel not enabled in xine config) (5-channel not enabled in xine config) (5.1-channel not enabled in xine config) (a/52 and DTS pass-through not enabled in xine config)

  audio_out: thread created

  xine_stream_new

  video_out_xv: VO_PROP_INTERLACED(0)

  xine: found input plugin  : file input plugin

  load_plugins: probing demux 'anx'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'asf'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'aud'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'aiff'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'cdda'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'flac'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'nsf'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'realaudio'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'snd'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'voc'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'vox'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'wav'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'mod'

  TEST mod decode

  load_plugins: probing demux 'avi'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'fli'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'flashvideo'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'wve'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'idcin'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'ipmovie'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'vqa'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'wc3movie'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'roq'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'str'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'film'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'smjpeg'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'fourxm'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'vmd'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'iff'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'image'

  load_plugins: probing demux 'matroska'

  ebml: invalid master element

  load_plugins: probing demux 'mng'

  xine: found demuxer plugin: Multiple-image Network Graphics demux plugin

  video discontinuity #1, type is 0, disc_off 0

  waiting for audio discontinuity #1

  audio discontinuity #1, type is 0, disc_off 0

  waiting for in_discontinuity update #1

  vpts adjusted with prebuffer to 31586

  load_plugins: plugin rgb will be used for video streamtype 10.

  xine_play

  The program 'totem' received an X Window System error.

  This probably reflects a bug in the program.

  The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.

  (Details: serial 87 error_code 11 request_code 140 minor_code 19)

  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;

  that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.

  To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line

  option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful

  backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)

  
--------------------


-- 
zeeone



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 04:01:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:01:58 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhw1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhwzb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhxwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zhzra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Well based on the trace, the plugins are installed, detected and found
and this:




Code:
--------------------
    The program 'totem' received an X Window System error.

  This probably reflects a bug in the program.

  The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.

  (Details: serial 87 error_code 11 request_code 140 minor_code 19)

  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;

  that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.

  To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line

  option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful

  backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
--------------------




indicates that either totem or Xorg xserver ran out of memory. There
could be possibily two issues here:



1. You do not have enough RAM.

2. A display driver that you installed (ati-fglrx, nvidia, etc) is
screwed up.



As a last try download this and try playing it.

http://www.mediaondemand.info/cvondemand/home/wmv.htm



Unfortunately I am not sure I know how to further debug this issue. 
Hopefully some guru might weigh in.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 04:11:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:11:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <yetanothersteve.1zhzra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes, I dual boot 2 linuxes. I have no need for MS Windows.



Suse 9.2 because it supports my scanner very well. Acer/Benq 310u that
just has never worked under Ubuntu.



Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10 because I like the way you update and can add
non-free or restricted packages much easier than with Suse.


-- 
yetanothersteve



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 04:30:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:30:31 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhw1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhwzb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhxwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhzra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zeeone.1zi0om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Still no luck. Thanks for trying though!


-- 
zeeone



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 04:32:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:32:05 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net> <zeeone.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhv4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhw1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhwzb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zhxwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<amohanty.1zhzra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zeeone.1zi0om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zi0om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I would suggest posting a new message with the title:

totem fails with BadAlloc error

and outline all that you have tried.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 04:44:09 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:44:09 -0800
Subject: Firefox bug reporting (breezy)
In-Reply-To: <200512040229.03862.ggrubbish@web.de>
References: <438B5AED.6040301@ntlworld.com>
	<1133428772.8807.65.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<877jandyvc.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<200512040229.03862.ggrubbish@web.de>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512032044p6dc495b9w8167ee5b0c990091@mail.gmail.com>

> > > That is a known bug with launchpad, after logging in you can simply
> > > go back to the first url and file the bug there. But firefox is in
> > > main, so this bug should be files at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
> >
> > When will be this unified? It is a PITA to file some bugs in
> > Launchpad and others in bugzilla...
> It is, and be shure of that: Not only that is a pitty on ubuntu's
> bugreporting system.
>
> I'm somewhat disappointed (to stay friendly...)

They are working as we speak on migrating bugzilla.ubuntu.com to
Launchpad.   It should occur soon.   Having 2  bug reporting system is
annoying for everyone.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From heliotopik at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec  4 06:34:02 2005
From: heliotopik at wanadoo.fr (D.Personne)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:34:02 +0400
Subject: Music App
In-Reply-To: <1ece08820512031758s55f216ceg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
	<1133660202.14499.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1ece08820512031758s55f216ceg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133678042.8971.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le dimanche 04 décembre 2005 à 09:58 +0800, 赵光 a écrit :
> xmms is also good enough

The default built-in equalizer is crap. Do yourself a favour: install
EQ-Plugin   !





From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec  4 07:12:08 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:12:08 +0000
Subject: 3rd try arrow keys in totem
In-Reply-To: <20051204001845.GA17804@teddy.fas.com>
References: <20051202182011.GA2972@teddy.fas.com>
	<20051202185922.GC13446@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051204001845.GA17804@teddy.fas.com>
Message-ID: <20051204071207.GA22661@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 07:18:45PM -0500, stan wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 06:59:22PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:20:11PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > 
> > > Can anyone confirm that they are able to use the arrow keys to jump foward
> > > and backward in totem while playing a video?
> > > 
> > > The man page claims this works, but it does _not_ work on 2 different
> > > machines for me, and I've posted to the list twice before asking about
> > > this. So far I have reeived 0 replies :-(
> > 
> > Works for me.  Pressing right jumps forward a minute, pressing left
> > jumps back 15 seconds.
> > 
> Thanks, that at least confirms that it works for some installations. Did
> you have to do naything to get it set up?

Nothing at all.  I'm using totem-xine though not gstreamer, if that
helps.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From list.account at gmx.net  Sun Dec  4 07:58:02 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (R.L.Reingard)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:58:02 +0100
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
In-Reply-To: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <op.s081q0c4fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>

> Am 03.12.2005, 12:50 Uhr, schrieb Umut Tabak  
> <umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be>:
> I have a Win XP professional with SP2 working on my current system. I
> want to install Ubuntu along with Linux(on my Dell Latitude D610
> laptop with 1GB ram and 2GHz processor). My HD(60 GB) is comprised of
> only one NTFS partition. I have read that I could partition the drive
> with ntfs resizer with a live CD(such as KNOPPIX).

hi,
ubuntu will detect XP during installation and you can keep it so. there is  
no need of resizing the harddisk as it is done by the ubuntu installation  
process. the only thing you have to tell is how big you want the different  
partitions. filesystem of ubuntu will be EXT3 by default.
also have a look at this link, to check if someone already has made an  
installation on a laptop like yours.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam

regards,
René



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 08:00:48 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:30:48 +0530
Subject: Grub1.5 Error 21
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <438F5219.30906@gmx.net> <4390AF31.5030502@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
	<3f1760512021526j209c3fe4y@mail.gmail.com>
	<e06f2acd0512022216l60d09a35p49e68d24a1ea55ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<amohanty.1zgchy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512022335l1169d369gd29e1c10abc97b94@mail.gmail.com>
	<amohanty.1zht9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512040000q65a1caf3t14dac76dffcab750@mail.gmail.com>

> And did you get a chance to look at the link I posted previously?
>

No,



From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 08:52:29 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:52:29 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, am computer science major and all my programming class have dealt
with java, but I have been given the assignment of writing a shell
script in Linux.  We haven't talked about Linux, grep, or shell scrips
in class so this is a " do some research, try it and see what you get"
kind of thing.

For this assignment I installed Ubuntu (onto a spare hard drive I had)
and have found what I want to put into my little shell script.  I used
a text editor in Ubuntu and saved the file as a .sh.  Now my problem
is trying to run it so as to test it.  based on what I have found
online, I opened Konsole and can do some commands, but still can't get
the darn thing to run.  I have the file I want to run on my desktop,
and put it in its own folder (has two .txt files, that it will use, in
the folder with it).  I can type "ls" and see the folders desktop and
workspace, but I can't seem to get into desktop to run the program.  I
have tried different ways of typing the command to go into that folder
(used this to help me:
http://www.axisoftime.com/linux/docs/new2unix.html#sect2.3.1), but
have still no luck with it yet.

Can someone give me some assistance with this? I would really appreciate it. :)

Thanks in advance,
Rachael



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 08:41:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 03:41:54 -0500
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
	<op.s081q0c4fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <jimbopouliot.1zicpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've had problems with the functionnality we are discussing here.

Before attempting to install Ubuntu, I had four partitions on one 60 GB
HD.

3 of those partitions were NTFS and one was FAT32.
One of those partitions contained Win XP Pro. I think it was a
different NTFS partition that was flagged as bootable.

(I know, it was all very odd).

So, in other words:

c: bootable, ntfs, contains data
d: ntfs, contains windows xp
e: ntfs, contains data
f: fat32, contains data

Then I tried to install Ubuntu 5.10. Since I had no unpartitionned
space on my HD, I chose to resize the partition that contained Windows
( d: ).

Then I installed Ubuntu and I was asked to install grub in order to
dual-boot between XP and Ubuntu. Of course, I chose to do so.

But when I finally tried to reboot, it never worked ! The Ubuntu
installation process couldn't get it right. Later, I tried to fix the
problem with the Win XP Recovery mode but only screwed it up some more
and eventually had to reinstall Windows (and format d:, lost some
data... grrr... ).

Then, I tried again to reinstall Ubuntu and it did the same thing,
would not boot.

This time I managed to save the Windows thing by resetting the bootable
flags using fdisk and messing aroung with the windows recovery mode (I
don't know exactly what worked).

All this to say... does anyone have a clue why it doesn't want to work
?

All I can think of is, since Ubuntu is installed on /dev/hda7, it may
be more difficult to boot because it is over the 4th partition or
because it is like 50 GB or so into the HD... but if that's a problem,
I think the installer should not have attempted to install grub that
way.

Anyways, I still haven't managed to boot into Ubuntu with all this
because the installer can't make it happen. Does anybody have an idea ?

Thank you for reading this quite lengthy message.


-- 
jimbopouliot



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec  4 09:16:21 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:16:21 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133687780.4196.68.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:52, Rachael C. wrote:
> For this assignment I installed Ubuntu (onto a spare hard drive I had)
> and have found what I want to put into my little shell script.  I used
> a text editor in Ubuntu and saved the file as a .sh.  Now my problem
> is trying to run it so as to test it.  based on what I have found
> online, I opened Konsole and can do some commands, but still can't get
> the darn thing to run.  I have the file I want to run on my desktop,
> and put it in its own folder (has two .txt files, that it will use, in
> the folder with it).  I can type "ls" and see the folders desktop and
> workspace, but I can't seem to get into desktop to run the program.  I
> have tried different ways of typing the command to go into that folder
> (used this to help me:
> http://www.axisoftime.com/linux/docs/new2unix.html#sect2.3.1), but
> have still no luck with it yet.

You don't need a ".sh" extension, and it's not usual, but it is OK.
Make sure the script is executable (man chmod).  Since the dir it's
in is probably not in your path, you'll either have to run it by
"/full/path/to/dir/script" or else "cd /full/path/to/dir" followed
by "./script".

--Mike Bird




From rstoffers at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 09:17:01 2005
From: rstoffers at gmail.com (Robert Stoffers)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:17:01 +1000
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133687821.9583.35.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:52 -0800, Rachael C. wrote:
> Ok, am computer science major and all my programming class have dealt
> with java, but I have been given the assignment of writing a shell
> script in Linux.  We haven't talked about Linux, grep, or shell scrips
> in class so this is a " do some research, try it and see what you get"
> kind of thing.
> 
> For this assignment I installed Ubuntu (onto a spare hard drive I had)
> and have found what I want to put into my little shell script.  I used
> a text editor in Ubuntu and saved the file as a .sh.  Now my problem
> is trying to run it so as to test it.  based on what I have found
> online, I opened Konsole and can do some commands, but still can't get
> the darn thing to run.  I have the file I want to run on my desktop,
> and put it in its own folder (has two .txt files, that it will use, in
> the folder with it).  I can type "ls" and see the folders desktop and
> workspace, but I can't seem to get into desktop to run the program.  I
> have tried different ways of typing the command to go into that folder
> (used this to help me:
> http://www.axisoftime.com/linux/docs/new2unix.html#sect2.3.1), but
> have still no luck with it yet.
> 
> Can someone give me some assistance with this? I would really appreciate it. :)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Rachael
> 

Hi,

You need to do the following:

chmod +x script.sh      (replace script.sh with the file name of the
script)

./script.sh             (do this in the same directory to run the
script)


Regards,
-- 
Robert Stoffers
Author/Maintainer - Ubuntu Starter Guide
Ubuntu Documentation Team





From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 09:28:36 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 01:28:36 -0800
Subject: Install Ubuntu on a system that already has windows XP
In-Reply-To: <jimbopouliot.1zicpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133610636.4391868c7be65@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
	<op.s081q0c4fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<jimbopouliot.1zicpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512040128x3d0e5ag62d94b694e9c08ed@mail.gmail.com>

> All I can think of is, since Ubuntu is installed on /dev/hda7, it may
> be more difficult to boot because it is over the 4th partition or
> because it is like 50 GB or so into the HD... but if that's a problem,
> I think the installer should not have attempted to install grub that
> way.

I have 5 partitions on this laptop (XP/Breezy/Dapper/Kubuntu/Swap),
and the installer doesn't seem to have any problem installing Ubuntu
in any of these partitions.  But it is only a 40GB hard drive.




--
Daniel Robitaille



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 09:33:22 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:03:22 +0530
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512040133g279e22e3icc6c42e541ba1c2a@mail.gmail.com>

if you are using plain ubuntu out of the box Desktop, you wont get
konsole, you'll either have gnome-terminal or xterm

when you open the terminal window, type the following

$ cd Desktop

remember 'D' is in uppercase and the commands, file and directory
names are case sensitive.

now to run the script you've to change its permission to executable

you either right-click on the file and enter properties, under
permissions tab you can check the execute checkboxex

or you can type this in the terminal window, when you are in the
Desktop directory

rachael at ubuntu:~/Desktop$ chmod +x <scriptname.sh>

now to run the script you've to type the following

rachael at ubuntu:~/Desktop$ ./<scriptname.sh>
or
rachael at ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sh <scriptname.sh>



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 09:38:07 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:07 +0200
Subject: Audacity useless gotten from synaptic
Message-ID: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I installed audacity from Synaptic and it won't work. It says there's an
error with the audio and won't record or playback. If I go into
preferences it won't let me configure the audio.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 09:29:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:29:23 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <doitashimashite.1ziekm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you set execute permissions on the script?



If not:



chmod +x <shell script name>


-- 
doitashimashite



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 09:30:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:30:11 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <linbetwin.1ziekm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Code:
--------------------
    cd Desktop
--------------------

to get into the Desktop folder. And you have to make that .sh file
executable in order to be able to execute it:

Code:
--------------------
    chmod a+x filename
--------------------


-- 
linbetwin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 09:34:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:34:50 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mo_x.1ziekm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can change to a directory with the cd command. In linux the file and
directory names are case sensitive.

To run a shell script you have to make it executable with:


Code:
--------------------
    chmod +x myscript
--------------------


and run it with:


Code:
--------------------
    ./myscript
--------------------


or run it with a shell:


Code:
--------------------
    sh myscript
--------------------


-- 
mo_x



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 10:06:59 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:06:59 +0200
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
Message-ID: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
nothing.




From awol at home.nl  Sun Dec  4 10:38:41 2005
From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:41 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>

On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 12:59:58AM +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
 
> > Thanks for the tip.  I assume you mean the source code from
> > http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/
> > I have had a problem compiling revelation, and I could use some advice.
> > When I run configure, I get the error:
  
> Don't bother compiling it ! It's only a click away, in Synaptic...

While universe most certainly provides revelation-0.4.3 it might
be more convenient to compile the revelation-0.4.5 tarball as it
contains some usefull additions and bugfixes. 

Alexander




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 10:33:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:33:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<briguy.1zcc1z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Gavin86.1zihcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes it has.. for now.



I seem to have fried the motherboard on my main machine, so I pulled
this laptop out of obscurity and out of the closet to use in the mean
time. Luckily the Ubuntu DVD's I ordered had just recently arrived. So
I went through the installation process and everything was working
great. I needed a bit of fiddling to get ndiswrapper working with my
Linksys WUSB54G, but after that I was online and ready to go with
wireless internet. I don't even remember what was on it previously, but
it's all Linux now.



I had previously run Ubuntu 5.04 but had issues with my ATI video card
so never fully adjusted to it. However this time around, with 5.10,
I've been really trying to get into it, and I'm really liking what I'm
seeing.



Even more recently I had been looking around for something that ran a
bit faster than GNOME... I was going to check out getting XFCE on
Ubuntu when I found Xubuntu. And wow! That's all I can say. Xubuntu is
working fantastically for my lower end system. It's like curing an
arthritic ridden patient or something. Xubuntu rocks :KS 



When I fix my main machine, I will definetly be at least testing Ubuntu
5.10 on it, but I probably won't be able to switch completely because I
use Adobe Photoshop and Macromedia Flash constantly.


-- 
Gavin86



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 10:36:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 05:36:07 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <doitashimashite.1zihcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


No, Ubuntu hasn't replaced Windows on my desktop.

Windows has never been installed on my computer at all!


-- 
doitashimashite



From davidandr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 11:00:11 2005
From: davidandr at gmail.com (David Andrew)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:00:11 +0000
Subject: automatic logins
Message-ID: <b873c5200512040300k7dc5fcd7w@mail.gmail.com>

If I enable automatic login for one user and then timed login for another
user say 2 minutes later would that work or could it cause problems?

--
David Andrew
MALTHE Course Leader
CAPD  London Metropolitan University
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sun Dec  4 11:36:58 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:36:58 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
Message-ID: <1133696218.11925.10.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On zo, 2005-12-04 at 11:38 +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> While universe most certainly provides revelation-0.4.3 it might
> be more convenient to compile the revelation-0.4.5 tarball as it
> contains some usefull additions and bugfixes.  

You'd better backport it from breezy in that case :)
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From ml at the-view.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Dec  4 12:48:59 2005
From: ml at the-view.eclipse.co.uk (Robbo)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:48:59 +0000
Subject: How to make gnome menu logo changes as icon theme changes?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512031145n3bbd9bc0md9c42e6aa55bcfa7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512031145n3bbd9bc0md9c42e6aa55bcfa7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133700539.9080.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 11:45 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> On 12/3/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I guess breezy use a absolute path in this icon.
> >
> > It's inconvenient since without root privilege user won't be able to
> > change the ubuntu logo which doesn't fit some themes. Bug?
> 
> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17425
> 
> >From from last comment in that bug report it seems it can be done at
> the theme level (i.e, you don't need to be root, and any user can do
> it when installing a properly created theme):
> 
> 'You can copy an "distributor-logo.png" to your theme, as a
> workaround, it'll be used before the ubuntu logo.'

As another workaround if you remove/rename
"/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png", it will
default to the themed one.




From hentaidan at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 12:55:34 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:55:34 +0000
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512040455t3304ebe0m@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/12/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
>
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!

gThumb can rename a series of pictures; its under Tools | Rename Series.

It also allows you to sort by name, size and date, and you can add the
date, size and original filename into the new one.


> Wade

--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Sun Dec  4 12:57:36 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:57:36 -0200
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
In-Reply-To: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133701056.7507.5.camel@ubuntu>

Em Dom, 2005-12-04 às 12:06 +0200, Giorgos escreveu:
> Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> nothing.
> 

Try to install aumix.

-- 
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br>




From ubuntu at danielt.com  Sun Dec  4 13:09:32 2005
From: ubuntu at danielt.com (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:32 +0000
Subject: Audacity useless gotten from synaptic
In-Reply-To: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4392EA8C.8090008@danielt.com>

Giorgos wrote:
> I installed audacity from Synaptic and it won't work. It says there's an
> error with the audio and won't record or playback. If I go into
> preferences it won't let me configure the audio.
> 
> 

I have the same problem, audacity will only work on ubuntu, for some 
reason, if you run it as root (ie. using sudo).



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 13:28:39 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:58:39 +0530
Subject: Audacity useless gotten from synaptic
In-Reply-To: <4392EA8C.8090008@danielt.com>
References: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4392EA8C.8090008@danielt.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512040528m1803364cy48f2a2d9c3074f0f@mail.gmail.com>

Me too.

One more thing? how do i change gtk1.2 themes and fonts



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 13:52:32 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:52:32 +0000
Subject: How to make gnome menu logo changes as icon theme changes?
References: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512031145n3bbd9bc0md9c42e6aa55bcfa7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86psodhsv3.fsf@gmail.com>

Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> writes:

 | On 12/3/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
 | >
 | > I guess breezy use a absolute path in this icon.
 | >
 | > It's inconvenient since without root privilege user won't be able to
 | > change the ubuntu logo which doesn't fit some themes. Bug?
 | 
 | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17425
 | 
 | >From from last comment in that bug report it seems it can be done at
 | the theme level (i.e, you don't need to be root, and any user can do
 | it when installing a properly created theme):
 | 
 | 'You can copy an "distributor-logo.png" to your theme, as a
 | workaround, it'll be used before the ubuntu logo.'
 | 
 | 

Thanks. It works.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 13:53:24 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:53:24 +0000
Subject: How to make gnome menu logo changes as icon theme changes?
References: <86u0dqb6pg.fsf@gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512031145n3bbd9bc0md9c42e6aa55bcfa7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133700539.9080.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <86lkz1hstn.fsf@gmail.com>

Robbo <ml at the-view.eclipse.co.uk> writes:

 | On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 11:45 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
 | > On 12/3/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
 | > >
 | > > I guess breezy use a absolute path in this icon.
 | > >
 | > > It's inconvenient since without root privilege user won't be able to
 | > > change the ubuntu logo which doesn't fit some themes. Bug?
 | > 
 | > https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17425
 | > 
 | > >From from last comment in that bug report it seems it can be done at
 | > the theme level (i.e, you don't need to be root, and any user can do
 | > it when installing a properly created theme):
 | > 
 | > 'You can copy an "distributor-logo.png" to your theme, as a
 | > workaround, it'll be used before the ubuntu logo.'
 | 
 | As another workaround if you remove/rename
 | "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png", it will
 | default to the themed one.
 | 
 | 

Thank you for your help.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 14:03:09 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:03:09 +0200
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
In-Reply-To: <1133701056.7507.5.camel@ubuntu>
References: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133701056.7507.5.camel@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <1133704989.20190.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 10:57 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> Em Dom, 2005-12-04 às 12:06 +0200, Giorgos escreveu:
> > Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> > do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> > nothing.
> > 
> 
> Try to install aumix.
> 
> -- 
> Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br>
> 
> 

And what will that do?




From rkettle at nwlonline.net  Sun Dec  4 14:04:38 2005
From: rkettle at nwlonline.net (Richard Kettle)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:04:38 -0000
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
Message-ID: <D17AF6A67090E746AE8CE1C4B9953ABB29AFD9@nwlonline.nwlonline.net>

open a terminala type

$alsamixer

check your sound settings are up high enough.

Regards
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of Giorgos
Sent: Sun 04/12/2005 14:03
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: Re: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
 
On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 10:57 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> Em Dom, 2005-12-04 às 12:06 +0200, Giorgos escreveu:
> > Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> > do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> > nothing.
> > 
> 
> Try to install aumix.
> 
> -- 
> Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br>
> 
> 

And what will that do?


-- 
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From mikeraz at patch.com  Sun Dec  4 14:25:56 2005
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:25:56 -0800
Subject: failure of gconf2 install ... resolved
In-Reply-To: <20051204015631.GF26082@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <20051204005337.GA9730@patch.com>
	<20051204015631.GF26082@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <20051204142556.GA27258@patch.com>

Seth Hasani wrote:
> > How do I correct this situation?  Attempting to remove gconf2-common
> > also errors out.
> 
> Oh God I hate when that happens! Sometimes on certain dist-upgrades apt
> needs a kick. What I did to resolve it was running:
>     dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/$badpackage.deb
> where $badpackage.deb was whatever package was giving problems. After that,
> dist-upgrade usually goes on without a hitch. Use --force-overwrite with
> caution though.

Seth had it correct.  I had to do a --force-overwrite with two packages 
followed by "apt-get -f install" (yes, with no packages listed) to flush
out some other lingering dependencies.

The update is now chugging along nicely.

Note about his word of caution:  --force-overwrite could install
incompatible to the point of deadly versions of files.  I went ahead
with it because the files in question were Gnome related and I knew this
system would remain in console mode until after I completed a full and
successful upgrade.  I could work knowing that anything broken in Gnome
wouldn't bring down the system.

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
        http://www.patch.com/words/
  The fortune cookie says:
Money is a powerful aphrodisiac.  But flowers work almost as well.
		-- Lazarus Long




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 14:45:03 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:03 +0000
Subject: mplayer play mp3 help
Message-ID: <861x0sj500.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi there,

Mplayer can play mp3 file but has some problem with alsa driver.
I keep getting this message:

"alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.007 msecs. resetting stream"

And the sound is aweful.

If I use '-ao oss' option, it plays smoothly. Any suggestions?

Cheers
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 14:50:03 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:50:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAT32 rw problems
Message-ID: <20051204145003.82342.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody.
This question is newbee-style but I must admit I did
not solve the problem with all I know about linux
permisssions.

My fstab includes rw possiblity and when I view the HD
properties, I have all rights to r/w on it.

fstab extract :
/dev/hdb1/media/hdb1 vfat
user,rw,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850
       0       0

But now I cannot write on it anymore, a message tells
me the driver is readonly (mc message, error no 30).

At boot, mounting file systems displays "failed", even
if i was able to r/w before. But yesterday it si
finally impossible to rw.

I simply don't understand.
Thanks,
Sébastien


		
__________________________________ 
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs



From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 14:51:34 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:51:34 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zhscm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4391D9F4.8080108@cox.net><20051204083702.0c772516.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<439238B2.6040308@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zhscm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43930276.5080002@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
>>sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
>>
>>These three failed:
>>
>>gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
> 
> 
> This is supposed to be one command:
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
> --------------------
>  
> on a single line.
> 
Well, I got two out of the three installed, but
gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse cannot be found:

# apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse

Here is my repository list:

-------------------------------------------------------
deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908)]/
breezy main restricted

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
## team.
  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted

# deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe

  deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
  deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I also received the following attempting to install w32codecs:

# apt-get install w32codecs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   w32codecs
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.2MB of archives.
After unpacking 31.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
   w32codecs
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Err http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free w32codecs 20050412-1plf4
   Temporary failure resolving 'packages.freecontrib.org'
Failed to fetch
http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/non-free/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-1plf4_i386.deb 

  Temporary failure resolving 'packages.freecontrib.org'
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with
--fix-missing?







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 14:45:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:45:54 -0500
Subject: Audacity useless gotten from synaptic
References: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><4392EA8C.8090008@danielt.com>
	<e06f2acd0512040528m1803364cy48f2a2d9c3074f0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jason.1zitdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


When I tried audacity in hoary, I had to "killall esd" before starting
it.  Then to bring back esd when I was done I had to run "esd &".


-- 
_jason



From awol at home.nl  Sun Dec  4 15:10:47 2005
From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:10:47 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133696218.11925.10.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
	<1133696218.11925.10.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <20051204151047.GA3765@home.nl>

On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 12:36:58PM +0100, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:

> On zo, 2005-12-04 at 11:38 +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> > While universe most certainly provides revelation-0.4.3 it might
> > be more convenient to compile the revelation-0.4.5 tarball as it
> > contains some usefull additions and bugfixes.  
 
> You'd better backport it from breezy in that case :)

I take it you mean dapper not breezy {^_^}

What is the advantage of 'backporting'. I have'nt tried this
yet but I suspect you might also get 'library errors'.

Alexander
 



From esj at harvee.org  Sun Dec  4 15:30:18 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:30:18 -0500
Subject: Laser Printers suggestions? HP 2550 looks good, others?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0511291711160.19994@cscf.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <4374521A.2050801@eugeneweb.com>	<200511112146.47318.obsidion@xtra.co.nz>	<4374E3E3.70100@eugeneweb.com>
	<200511120903.10591.obsidion@xtra.co.nz>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0511291711160.19994@cscf.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <dmv22b$7vi$1@sea.gmane.org>

Walter Tautz wrote:
> Ideally I would like a printer that can do auto-duplexing.
> I print mostly black and white but since colour printers
> are relatively cheap (I bet the toner cartriges are not
> cheap ;-)) I thought it would be interesting to consider
> them also.

I'm using the brother 5170 dn.  But it will not work with the stock 
drivers.  After many many months of working with brother, they have 
given me beta drivers which work wonderfully.  I'm not thrilled with the 
user interface putting the duplexer switch off in the never never land 
of some configuration menu somewhere (i.e. it should be right on the 
print dialog box you see when you hit the print button) but it's better 
than nothing.  The workaround I am trying is creating to printer drivers 
one with duplex, one without.

in any case, it works really well now and if you want the reference to 
the beta drivers, just send me e-mail.

> Am I correct in thinking that native postscript printers
> work under linux? I gather that finer control of the features
> of the printer may, however, not be accessible?

quite true.  I ran the 5170 as PostScript printer for a while when I was 
desperate for any printer that worked off of my ubuntu box.

--- eric




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 15:51:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:51:06 -0500
Subject: MS Office XP Pro $49.95 Windows
References: <mWKvKxVslVAaivQb5YQlrcXC@vayner.com>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1ziw5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


spamed again so does this work in wine ?oh and when I call for microsoft
support they won't say it's a legal copy


-- 
teaker1s



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 15:47:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:47:38 -0500
Subject: Iriver
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1ylnva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70511161756q2fc85b86m26eeed0b64a97f73@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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VIGNESH Wrote: 
> Oh..Thats cool.I have Damn samll Linux too.But don`t use it from

> iriver.Doesyour Backlight work alright..Anything thats not working

> from the normal

> firmware.

> Cheers

> Vignesh

> 

> 



>From what I have used player so far, everything has worked just as
before firmware update. Really could not tell that firmware has changed
if would not know to look for firmware version information when player
is turned on.

Couple of functions have been added. In general menu there is format
and f/w upgrade options.

In control menu there is adjust playback speed. I believe this would
have been in new manager firmware also.

Only difference has been that when I connect it to computer, Ubuntu
automatically mounts player in /media/usbdisk folder and opens nautilus
filemanager showing contents of player.


-- 
Ufo



From brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 16:19:46 2005
From: brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com (Brant Fitzsimmons)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:19:46 -0500
Subject: Music App
In-Reply-To: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
References: <43924197.6010504@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43931722.3020506@bfcomputerconsulting.com>

Wade Smart wrote:

> 12032005 1907 GMT-5
>
> When I listen to cd's Sound Juicer comes up.  Is there a app with EQ
> controls?
>
> Wade
>

Amarok.  Tools->Equalizer

-- 
Brant Fitzsimmons
brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com
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man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 16:29:44 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:29:44 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <438F6144.4020009@jesc.ch>
References: <E1EhsvG-0002KQ-QE@esperanza.ubuntu.com> <438F6144.4020009@jesc.ch>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512040829x2c2e95b9i4bdfe1b2e5612322@mail.gmail.com>

Jec wrote:
>Are you sure? Don't you think that Ubuntu has dmraid available in the
setup?

I don't know if Ubuntu has RAID drivers for this particular device on the
setup, I wouldn't know how to use them if it did either. I do know that
Ubuntu has some RAID drivers in the installer though.

Actually I didn't know about dmraid, but apparently it "discovers,
activates, deactivates and displays properties of software RAID sets (eg,
ATARAID) and contained DOS partitions" and supports "Silicon Image(tm)
Medley(tm)". I'm not sure if that means it will support Silicon Image 3112A
fakeraid or not, but it could be interesting.


 > 1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the
> > needed
> > raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I don't
> > think
> > he's willing to go to so much trouble.
>
> That's not *that* hard except you'll need some spare disk...
> Knoppix + tar is your friend in this case.



My friend found a forum posting in which someone explained how they did this
with Ubuntu. It looked pretty complex. He's not willing to go to those
lengths. Maybe it can be done more easily than the posting described, I
don't know. Here is the post:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86219&highlight=stripe

    For dual booting, why not using Partition1 of each disk for RAID using

> SATA controller and Partition2 for Linux with software RAID on it?
> I think it's your best luck... Don't know if SATA RAID let you make RAID
> from partitions or only from whole disk.


My friend doesn't think this is possible, he said that once a drive becomes
'RAIDed' the whole drive becomes 'RAIDed'.

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 16:28:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: mplayer play mp3 help
References: <861x0sj500.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jason.1ziy0n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


leon Wrote: 
> Hi there,
> 
> Mplayer can play mp3 file but has some problem with alsa driver.
> I keep getting this message:
> 
> "alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.007 msecs. resetting stream"
> 
> And the sound is aweful.
> 
> If I use '-ao oss' option, it plays smoothly. Any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> ..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
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> ..    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
> ..   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
> ..   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
> ..  /.''.'\                                    .
> ..  /.'.'.\                                    .
> .. /'.''.'.\                                   .
> .. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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> 
> 
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> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

If you are using ubuntu with gnome and not some other desktop manager
you need to tell mplayer to use esd.  Read this howto: 
http://tinyurl.com/crcek (since you already have mplayer just read the
part that's entitled "Configuring Sound")


-- 
_jason



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 16:50:02 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:50:02 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! Somehow I managed to miss your page, but it looks very interesting.
I'll point my friend to it and if he gives it a try I'll let you know how he
gets on. He may choose not to try it anyway, as currently he's resigned to
waiting until he can get his hands on another hard drive, but at least he
will know that something like this is out there and that he's far from being
on his own.

On 12/2/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I was in the same boat.  It took me a few weeks to figure it all out,
> but when I finally got ubuntu and winxp dual booting from my hardware
> fakeraid raid0, I wrote a howto on the wiki at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto that explains what you need to do.
>
> If you have any trouble following it, you may want to reply here, but CC
> me as well so I don't miss it ( I got a LOT of email ).
>
> Sean Hammond wrote:
> > So I know someone who has two drives in a SATA RAID 0 stripe, using a
> > Silicon Image 3112A chip (which is fakeraid), and was wondering if
> > anyone with Linux raid experience might be able to offer anything.
> >
> > He has Windows XP installed currently, and might be interested enough to
> > install Ubuntu if it can dual-boot, but has given up because the
> > complications introduced by his RAID setup were too much.
> >
> > Is there a way to get Ubuntu to install dual-boot on a system like this?
> > Are there drivers available in the Ubuntu installer that support this
> > chip? If so, exactly what would have to be done during install to get
> > them running? He tells me the Ubuntu installer didn't work in the normal
> > way, I think maybe it didn't automatically detect his partitions.
> >
> > As I understand it we can't use Linux's software raid drvier 'md',
> > because this would require us to delete the current 'fakeraid'
> > partitions, destroying his data, and in any case there's no way Windows
> > is going to run on Linux partitions so dual-boot would be impossible.
> >
> > If there is no driver in the Ubuntu installer, then I think our options
> are:
> >
> > 1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the
> > needed raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I
> > don't think he's willing to go to so much trouble.
> >
> > 2. Rebuild the Ubuntu installer with the necessary raid support, then
> > install. I have no idea what would be required here or how to rebuild
> > the Ubuntu installer.
> >
> > 3. Switch the bios to ATA, install Ubuntu, then install the raid
> > support, then switch the BIOS back. Not sure if this is possible or not.
> > Would this work in the dual-boot situation?
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 16:47:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:47:46 -0500
Subject: LCD screen "melting" in X
References: <Andr.1ejuq8@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<daller.1z7bhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Jedi.1ziyxz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have same problem that you've rightly called "Living

in the 70s -- LSD involved", but it happens when I switch to console
(CTRL-Alt-F1): also for me it's impossible to get a proper screen
displayed and I have to restart system (CTRL-Alt-Del).



I have Acer Travelmate 8104WLMI with ati mobility X700 128MB onboard,
kubuntu 5.10 breezy with 2.6.12-10 kernel.

Only way to fix this problem for me is to switch back to breezy ati
driver, without tv-out.



I've tryied to use a different driver (8.19.10) but nothing changed.
I've configured my xorg.conf in one million of different ways with no
success.

I'm sorry but I can't help you, and I can't help myself! :) 



I hope to find a solution soon.



Bye.


-- 
[Jedi]



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 17:25:31 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:25:31 +0000
Subject: mplayer play mp3 help
References: <861x0sj500.fsf@gmail.com> <jason.1ziy0n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86d5kchj04.fsf@gmail.com>

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | 
 | If you are using ubuntu with gnome and not some other desktop manager
 | you need to tell mplayer to use esd.  Read this howto: 
 | http://tinyurl.com/crcek (since you already have mplayer just read the
 | part that's entitled "Configuring Sound")
 | 
 | 
 | -- 
 | _jason
 | 

Yeah, that can be a solution.

But do you think the alsa driver has problem? Could you mplayer -ao alsa
FILE to check? This could be useful in future release and I think alsa
is the way to go.

Thanks.
-- 
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.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 17:35:30 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:05:30 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <Ufo.1ziw5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>
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So you think I should try that..I download both the usb and the latest
normal firmware..
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/4/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> VIGNESH Wrote:
> > Oh..Thats cool.I have Damn samll Linux too.But don`t use it from
>
> > iriver.Doesyour Backlight work alright..Anything thats not working
>
> > from the normal
>
> > firmware.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Vignesh
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> >From what I have used player so far, everything has worked just as
> before firmware update. Really could not tell that firmware has changed
> if would not know to look for firmware version information when player
> is turned on.
>
> Couple of functions have been added. In general menu there is format
> and f/w upgrade options.
>
> In control menu there is adjust playback speed. I believe this would
> have been in new manager firmware also.
>
> Only difference has been that when I connect it to computer, Ubuntu
> automatically mounts player in /media/usbdisk folder and opens nautilus
> filemanager showing contents of player.
>
>
> --
> Ufo
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 17:39:19 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:39:19 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net> <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <439329C7.6050305@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Take a look at this:
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
> 
> basically do the following:
> in your /etc/apt/sources.list add the following lines:
> 
> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free
> non-free
> 
> Then at the terminal:
> 
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
> gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
> sudo apt-get w32codecs
> sudo apt-get libdvdcss2

Well, by hook or by crook, I got all of the above installed.  I can't find:
> gst-register-0.8

Even so, I still can't see any of the videos at 
http://www.stupidvideos.com/?VideoID=1344.
With QT clicked on this site, a couple of frames flash by then nothing.
With Windows clicked, Firefox crashes.







From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 17:45:47 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:45:47 +0200
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
In-Reply-To: <D17AF6A67090E746AE8CE1C4B9953ABB29AFD9@nwlonline.nwlonline.net>
References: <D17AF6A67090E746AE8CE1C4B9953ABB29AFD9@nwlonline.nwlonline.net>
Message-ID: <1133718347.20190.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

They are, other programs work fine, see my original post.

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 14:04 +0000, Richard Kettle wrote:
> open a terminala type
> 
> $alsamixer
> 
> check your sound settings are up high enough.
> 
> Regards
> Richard
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of Giorgos
> Sent: Sun 04/12/2005 14:03
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
>  
> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 10:57 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > Em Dom, 2005-12-04 às 12:06 +0200, Giorgos escreveu:
> > > Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> > > do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> > > nothing.
> > > 
> > 
> > Try to install aumix.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br>
> > 
> > 
> 
> And what will that do?
> 
> 




From afmdg at yahoo.fr  Sun Dec  4 18:35:42 2005
From: afmdg at yahoo.fr (afmdg)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:42 +0100
Subject: [Breezy] - [Laptop Toshiba]  : Toshset or FnFx ?
In-Reply-To: <coaxx.1zf4za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4314B5E0.7090207@yahoo.fr>	<537fu2-k88.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca><1125516092.7547.0.camel@localhost.localdomain><7beju2-2v9.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca>	<1125604888.6787.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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'Forum Post a écrit :

>huh?
>
>
>
>I have a fresh Breezy install here, fnfx is not installed but my Fn Key
>work well? What has changed here? Hoary uses fnfx, doesn't it?
>
>
>
>What is the difference to toshset, which is installed now in Breezy?
>
>
>  
>
Toshset is only for some acpi events of Toshiba Laptop but not all.
Then, I also use fnfx with breezy.

Michel

	

	
		
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From kirtis.bakalarczyk at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:02:02 2005
From: kirtis.bakalarczyk at gmail.com (Kirtis Bakalarczyk)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:02:02 -0500
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
In-Reply-To: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e637407e0512041102j25f159ffsca920775427cad24@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/4/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> nothing.
>

Well quake3 probably doesn't work because it expects to have direct
access to the sound device.  You could try killing esd with 'killall
esd', and see if sound works after that.  Of course you'll have to log
out/in to get your other sound back afterwards.

Kirt
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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From peter at stoddard.us  Sun Dec  4 19:02:27 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:02:27 -0800
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
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On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 11:38 +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:

> While universe most certainly provides revelation-0.4.3 it might
> be more convenient to compile the revelation-0.4.5 tarball as it
> contains some usefull additions and bugfixes. 
> 
> Alexander

Thanks.  That sounds like a good idea.  But maybe you can answer a
question.

I downloaded the desktop version of ubuntu bbadger, but I didn't get any
developer stuff.  I downloaded gcc and associated libs, but I still need
more files (I don't know which) in order to be able to compile from
source.  With Apple, there is a Developer package you can download (~700
MB).  Is there something similar in bbadger, or a way to download
individual files I'll need to compile not only revelation but other
things too?  How do I know which ones I will need?

Pete




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sun Dec  4 19:12:22 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:12:22 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
	<1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133723542.7870.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 11:02 -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> Thanks.  That sounds like a good idea.  But maybe you can answer a
> question.
> I downloaded the desktop version of ubuntu bbadger, but I didn't get any
> developer stuff.  I downloaded gcc and associated libs, but I still need
> more files (I don't know which) in order to be able to compile from
> source.  With Apple, there is a Developer package you can download (~700
> MB).  Is there something similar in bbadger, or a way to download
> individual files I'll need to compile not only revelation but other
> things too?  How do I know which ones I will need?


To get the basic stuff to let you compile, you should install
"build-essential". Then if you want to compile gnome applications,
"gnome-core-devel" will help a lot.
After that, just run ./configure, it should complain about missing
dependencies, which you can then install by hand, and repeat the process
until ./configure is happy, have fun... ;-)


--
Vince




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:12:37 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:12:37 -0800
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
	<1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512041112g43d30ca9r51f9ee64be6df120@mail.gmail.com>

> I downloaded the desktop version of ubuntu bbadger, but I didn't get any
> developer stuff.  I downloaded gcc and associated libs, but I still need
> more files (I don't know which) in order to be able to compile from
> source.  With Apple, there is a Developer package you can download (~700
> MB).  Is there something similar in bbadger, or a way to download
> individual files I'll need to compile not only revelation but other
> things too?  How do I know which ones I will need?

A good start is:

apt-get install build-essential

build-essential is also installable from synaptic. It should give you
gcc plus a bunch of other developper libraries and packages


--
Daniel Robitaille



From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Sun Dec  4 19:16:04 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:16:04 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
	<1133722948.6010.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43934074.5000008@kaiser-linux.li>

Hello Peter

You need the package build-essential. Use Synaptic or "sudo apt-get 
install build-essential" to install software for compiling.

Regards, Thomas


Peter Stoddard wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 11:38 +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> 
> 
>>While universe most certainly provides revelation-0.4.3 it might
>>be more convenient to compile the revelation-0.4.5 tarball as it
>>contains some usefull additions and bugfixes. 
>>
>>Alexander
> 
> 
> Thanks.  That sounds like a good idea.  But maybe you can answer a
> question.
> 
> I downloaded the desktop version of ubuntu bbadger, but I didn't get any
> developer stuff.  I downloaded gcc and associated libs, but I still need
> more files (I don't know which) in order to be able to compile from
> source.  With Apple, there is a Developer package you can download (~700
> MB).  Is there something similar in bbadger, or a way to download
> individual files I'll need to compile not only revelation but other
> things too?  How do I know which ones I will need?
> 
> Pete
> 
> 


-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:17:07 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:17:07 -0500
Subject: non-login shell
Message-ID: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>

This may be vague but ...

When I do

emacs&

in a gnome-terminal, why would the process not be
detached? Thank you.




From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Sun Dec  4 19:33:37 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott Henson)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:33:37 -0500
Subject: non-login shell
In-Reply-To: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43934491.7010105@csee.wvu.edu>

Sean Sieger wrote:

>This may be vague but ...
>
>When I do
>
>emacs&
>
>in a gnome-terminal, why would the process not be
>detached? Thank you.
>  
>
Because it is backgrounded.  Not detached from the terminal.  Try
"disown %1" after you start emacs.  That should completely detach the
process from the terminal.  Also alt-F2 then starting emacs from there
is probably more of what you want. 



From y.lesaint at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:42:34 2005
From: y.lesaint at gmail.com (Yannick Le Saint (kyncani))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:42:34 +0100
Subject: non-login shell
In-Reply-To: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051204204234.b5530df8.y.lesaint@gmail.com>

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:17:07 -0500
Sean Sieger <sean.sieger at gmail.com> wrote:
> emacs&
> 
> in a gnome-terminal, why would the process not be
> detached? Thank you.

The shell is still emacs's parent.
I think you're looking for ( emacs & )

---
Regards.

Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
http://y.lesaint.free.fr/
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From christian at draugr.de  Sun Dec  4 19:58:42 2005
From: christian at draugr.de (Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dr=F6ge?=)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:58:42 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1133726322.7399.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Am Samstag, den 03.12.2005, 15:06 -0800 schrieb Peter Stoddard:
> I am looking for a password manager that I can use on the Breezy Badger
> system I just installed on my Macintosh Powerbook (12 inch G4).  I would
> like a password-protected database that would keep track of my passwords
> and other relevant info, like the date I set a password, notes, etc.  An
> included password generator would be nice too.  I am currently using
> Swordfish from CYBERSA on my Mac, and like it very much.  Does anyone
> know of something like that for Gnome 2?  I don't mind compiling from
> source, but if there is an easier way, like using Synaptic Package
> Manager I'd like to try that first.
> 
> If someone has had success compiling a password manager from source for
> a Mac PowerPC I would appreciate knowing about that too.
> 
> Pete

What about gpass? You don't have to compile it and it has all features
you mentioned.

Regards,
Christian Dröge
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sun Dec  4 20:00:25 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:00:25 +0100
Subject: Password Manager Available for Gnome?
In-Reply-To: <20051204151047.GA3765@home.nl>
References: <1133651167.4694.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133651452.11925.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1133653738.4699.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1133654398.7870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051204103841.GA3588@home.nl>
	<1133696218.11925.10.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<20051204151047.GA3765@home.nl>
Message-ID: <1133726425.21005.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On zo, 2005-12-04 at 16:10 +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> I take it you mean dapper not breezy {^_^}

Correct :)

> What is the advantage of 'backporting'. I have'nt tried this
> yet but I suspect you might also get 'library errors'. 

Revelation now has a nice applet for the gnome panel, I like it. I'll
put my backports online soon.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 20:27:02 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:27:02 -0500
Subject: non-login shell
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
	<20051204204234.b5530df8.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87u0dowquh.fsf@gmail.com>

Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com> writes:

   On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:17:07 -0500
   Sean Sieger <sean.sieger at gmail.com> wrote:
   > emacs&
   > 
   > in a gnome-terminal, why would the process not be
   > detached? Thank you.

   The shell is still emacs's parent.
   I think you're looking for ( emacs & )

Thank you, Yannick.




From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 20:49:04 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:49:04 -0500
Subject: non-login shell
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com> <43934491.7010105@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <87u0dolha7.fsf@gmail.com>

Scott Henson <scotth at csee.wvu.edu> writes:

   Sean Sieger wrote:

   >This may be vague but ...
   >
   >When I do
   >
   >emacs&
   >
   >in a gnome-terminal, why would the process not be
   >detached? Thank you.
   >  
   >
   Because it is backgrounded.  Not detached from the terminal.  Try
   "disown %1" after you start emacs.  That should completely detach the
   process from the terminal.  Also alt-F2 then starting emacs from there
   is probably more of what you want. 

Thank you. I had got it in my head that not only does
"&" give me back the shell, it detaches the process.

Anyway, the problem really lies in the fact that I only
have JAVA_HOME/bin in my $PATH when I am using a non-login
shell and start Emacs ... I think -- I cannot compile in
JDE unless I start Emacs with a non-login shell.

How do I put it in my $PATH on startup?




From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sun Dec  4 21:03:03 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:03:03 -0800
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<4391BE70.9040402@bfcomputerconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <sbm6p1t4o28ld3m0pj82maenks82l2lkg6@4ax.com>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:49:04 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Samba can indeed bind itself to a particular interface.
>http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2549268

Thank You!!

I added those two lines to smb.conf and everything worked perfectly!




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 21:13:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:13:51 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net> <amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Use this sources.list



> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/
> breezy main restricted

> 

> ## All officially supported packages, including security- and other
> updates

> 

> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted

> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted

> 

> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted

> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main
> restricted

> 

> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted

> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main
> restricted

> 

> ## All community supported packages, including security- and other
> updates

> 

> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse

> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse

> 

> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
> multiverse

> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
> multiverse

> 

> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates universe
> multiverse

> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates universe
> multiverse

> 

> ## Backports

> 

> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main
> restricted universe multiverse

> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main
> restricted universe multiverse

> 

> ## All others [non ubuntu]

> 

> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free

> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free
> non-free

> 



Then do the following again, please:


Code:
--------------------
    sudo apt-get update 

  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 

  sudo apt-get install w32codecs 

  sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 

  gst-register-0.8
--------------------




If at any point you encounter an errror stop and please post the error
here.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From ben at serverone.co.uk  Sun Dec  4 21:25:17 2005
From: ben at serverone.co.uk (Ben Edwards)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:25:17 +0000
Subject: Evolution spam filtering not working
Message-ID: <1133731517.7154.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Since I went to breezy my spam filter do not seem to be doing anything.
I have set enabled in /etc/defaults/spamassasin and spamd is running, I
have also rebooted.  In Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences Juk tab I
have both 'Check incoming mail for junk' and 'Include remote tasks'
checked.  Both spammasasin and razer are installed.

When I select 'Check for junk' nothing happens.  

Any Ideas?
Ben




From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sun Dec  4 21:28:49 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:28:49 +0000
Subject: Has anyone used the "Sound Recorder"?
Message-ID: <1133731729.30323.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

That's Applications->Sound & Video->Sound Recorder.

I've just tried to use it.  It appears totally broken on both my Ubuntu
machines (Breezy).  Depending on the Multimedia settings, it is broken
in different ways, but always broken.  (Says it is recording, but slider
doesn't move;  says it is recording but seconds counter runs way too
fast;  stops responding to control input after I click to stop
recording;  looses connection to the xserver and has to be killed...)

If it works for others I'd like advice about the conditions needed for
it to work.

My fix for the moment has been to install krecord, which does work for me.

Neil
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From bassix at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 21:44:16 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:44:16 -0500
Subject: FAT32 rw problems
In-Reply-To: <20051204145003.82342.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051204145003.82342.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43936330.8080403@gmail.com>

Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> Hi everybody.
> This question is newbee-style but I must admit I did
> not solve the problem with all I know about linux
> permisssions.
> 
> My fstab includes rw possiblity and when I view the HD
> properties, I have all rights to r/w on it.
> 
> fstab extract :
> /dev/hdb1/media/hdb1 vfat
> user,rw,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850
>        0       0
> 
> But now I cannot write on it anymore, a message tells
> me the driver is readonly (mc message, error no 30).
> 
> At boot, mounting file systems displays "failed", even
> if i was able to r/w before. But yesterday it si
> finally impossible to rw.
> 
> I simply don't understand.
> Thanks,
> Sébastien

Here is what my fstab entry is and works for RW access for all users:

/dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat    users,rw,umask=0 0 0

Obviously you can substitute your particulars for partition "/dev/hda5" 
and the mount point "/mnt/d".

I hope that helps.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org



From slzatz at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 21:43:41 2005
From: slzatz at gmail.com (Steve Zatz)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:43:41 -0500
Subject: Changing the port of a cgi application under Apache2
Message-ID: <6b21d8370512041343j530b90aes5843015e0494964d@mail.gmail.com>

Folks, I know this is a general Apache2 question but I cannot find the
answer after googling, etc. and hope that the friendly and
knowledgeable Ubuntu users can help.  I am running Breezy in a pretty
standard install.  I have a cgi application that I would like to 
respond to requests on a port other than 80 (say 8000).  I currently
have a file in conf.d where a ScriptAlias for the cgi app is defined
and I assume that I can also change the port for the cgi app via the
same conf.d file but I can't find any instructions as to what the form
of the instruction to do so.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Steve



From s_serna at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 21:56:32 2005
From: s_serna at yahoo.com (Sergio Serna)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:56:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Installation
Message-ID: <20051204215632.49169.qmail@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, I installed Ubuntu in a PC with Win XP and keyboard and mouse USB. When initiating for the first time it requests the password to me but neither my keyboard nor mouse responds. I do not have another option of keyboard, What I can do?


Sergio Serna
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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:12:22 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:12:22 +0000
Subject: Sound on xmame, zsnes, mplayer and quake3, not working
In-Reply-To: <e637407e0512041102j25f159ffsca920775427cad24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133690819.20190.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e637407e0512041102j25f159ffsca920775427cad24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80f459360512041412u45c8e792oa48745325b7c7273@mail.gmail.com>

</quote>You could try killing esd with 'killall
esd', and see if sound works after that.  Of course you'll have to log
out/in to get your other sound back afterwards.</end quote>

Well you dont have to log out and in again after a killall esd!

If you kill esd, and you want it back, just press "Alt F2" and type "esd"
and click run and that will bring esd back up again.

Oh and you dont use the quotes!!!

On 12/4/05, Kirtis Bakalarczyk <kirtis.bakalarczyk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/4/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any help? I've got an onboard CMI9739 audio controller. What should I
> > do? Mplayer gives audio but it's very very very quiet. The others give
> > nothing.
> >
>
> Well quake3 probably doesn't work because it expects to have direct
> access to the sound device.  You could try killing esd with 'killall
> esd', and see if sound works after that.  Of course you'll have to log
> out/in to get your other sound back afterwards.
>
> Kirt
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>
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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:17:02 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:17:02 +0000
Subject: Has anyone used the "Sound Recorder"?
In-Reply-To: <1133731729.30323.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133731729.30323.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <80f459360512041417q5577dd2eyb0a47c0a018545d4@mail.gmail.com>

Just tried to use the software, and tbh I have never used it before, but as
you state, it appears to be kaput, as in totally broken.

You should submit a bug report for it mate.



On 12/4/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
>
> That's Applications->Sound & Video->Sound Recorder.
>
> I've just tried to use it.  It appears totally broken on both my Ubuntu
> machines (Breezy).  Depending on the Multimedia settings, it is broken
> in different ways, but always broken.  (Says it is recording, but slider
> doesn't move;  says it is recording but seconds counter runs way too
> fast;  stops responding to control input after I click to stop
> recording;  looses connection to the xserver and has to be killed...)
>
> If it works for others I'd like advice about the conditions needed for
> it to work.
>
> My fix for the moment has been to install krecord, which does work for me.
>
> Neil
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From theine at nordita.dk  Sun Dec  4 22:17:43 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:17:43 +0000
Subject: non-login shell
In-Reply-To: <87u0dolha7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com> <43934491.7010105@csee.wvu.edu>
	<87u0dolha7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43936B07.20700@nordita.dk>

> Anyway, the problem really lies in the fact that I only
> have JAVA_HOME/bin in my $PATH when I am using a non-login
> shell and start Emacs ... I think -- I cannot compile in
> JDE unless I start Emacs with a non-login shell.
>
> How do I put it in my $PATH on startup?

Try adding "export PATH=${PATH}:${JAVA_HOME}/bin", i.e.

   echo 'export PATH=${PATH}:${JAVA_HOME}/bin' >> ~/.gnomerc

Next time you log into Gnome, Emacs -- when started from the Gnome menu
or through ALT-F2 -- should be aware of ${JAVA_HOME}/bin

Regards,
Tobi




From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 22:19:59 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:19:59 -0600
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
Message-ID: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>

Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
Does any user of Firefox know why 
Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and 
"Remove" buttons disabled?  And the Plugins dialog showing ALL filetypes 
enabled?  This does not match the help description of these preferences. 
  But most importantly, with all filetypes enabled Firefox tries to 
handle each filetype with some unknown program that always fails.  For 
the video player Totem or VLC to work correctly, all firefox plugin file 
types must be disabled and with the File Type buttons disabled, there is 
no way to specify which video player to use for which file type. 
Firefox uses both on different occasions, but without me specifying 
which to use for which type.



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:21:15 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:21:15 +0000
Subject: Changing the port of a cgi application under Apache2
In-Reply-To: <6b21d8370512041343j530b90aes5843015e0494964d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b21d8370512041343j530b90aes5843015e0494964d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512041421t73a43b54r@mail.gmail.com>

CGI listens at a URL, not a port.

If you really want it on a port, best thing is to

* tell apache to listen on an additional port
* make a virtual host on that port
* scriptalias / -> /path/to/cgi in that vhost



On 04/12/05, Steve Zatz <slzatz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks, I know this is a general Apache2 question but I cannot find the
> answer after googling, etc. and hope that the friendly and
> knowledgeable Ubuntu users can help.  I am running Breezy in a pretty
> standard install.  I have a cgi application that I would like to
> respond to requests on a port other than 80 (say 8000).  I currently
> have a file in conf.d where a ScriptAlias for the cgi app is defined
> and I assume that I can also change the port for the cgi app via the
> same conf.d file but I can't find any instructions as to what the form
> of the instruction to do so.  Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Steve
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr  Sun Dec  4 22:21:57 2005
From: vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr (vogernewsletters)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:21:57 +0200
Subject: Installation
In-Reply-To: <20051204215632.49169.qmail@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051204215632.49169.qmail@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43936C05.7020508@yahoo.gr>

Sergio Serna wrote:
> Hi, I installed Ubuntu in a PC with Win XP and keyboard and mouse USB. 
> When initiating for the first time it requests the password to me but 
> neither my keyboard nor mouse responds. I do not have another option 
> of keyboard, What I can do?
>
>
> Sergio Serna
> Medellin
> Colombia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Let fate take it's course directly to your email.
> See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals 
> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36106/*http://personals.yahoo.com%20> 
Have a look at your BIOS settings. Somewhere in there must be an option 
for usb keyboard. If it's dissable change it to enable.
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From ed at fletcher.ca  Sun Dec  4 22:24:52 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:24:52 -0800
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>
Message-ID: <43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>

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Albert wrote:
| Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
| Does any user of Firefox know why
| Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
| "Remove" buttons disabled?

These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above them.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From theine at nordita.dk  Sun Dec  4 22:32:25 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:32:25 +0000
Subject: non-login shell
In-Reply-To: <43936B07.20700@nordita.dk>
References: <87y830wu30.fsf@gmail.com>
	<43934491.7010105@csee.wvu.edu>	<87u0dolha7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<43936B07.20700@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <43936E79.2070000@nordita.dk>

Tobias Heinemann wrote:
 > Try adding "export PATH=${PATH}:${JAVA_HOME}/bin", i.e.

That should have been

   Try adding "export PATH=${PATH}:${JAVA_HOME}/bin" to your ~/.gnomerc, 
i.e.

of course...

Tobi



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:31:52 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:31:52 +0000
Subject: What variables can be put in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
Message-ID: <86zmngfq93.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi there,

I seems document about this file are hard to find. Any idea? I'm trying to
find out some ways of configure firefox such as add more system wide
plugin directory.

Cheers
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
.     *                                       .
.    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .
.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
.                                             .
.Leon                                         .
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.




From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 22:38:09 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:38:09 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43936FD1.500@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Use this sources.list
<snip>
> Then do the following again, please: 
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     sudo apt-get update 
> 
>   sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
> 
>   sudo apt-get install w32codecs 
> 
>   sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 
> 
>   gst-register-0.8
> --------------------
> 
> If at any point you encounter an errror stop and please post the error
> here.

Thank you, HTH. My first problem was that it wasn't clear to me that the 
  word 'multiverse' had to be appended to the repository spec in the 
repository list.  Fixing that allowed the installation of 
gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse.  I couldn't find w32codecs and used the 
directions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, which you 
offered in your first reply.  This involved manually downloading it and 
using dpkg to install it.  At any rate, Synaptic shows everything 
installed except  gst-register-0.8.  I don't know what that is.  Without 
an apt-get, I must assume that it is a command, which is not understood 
at the terminal prompt.

For what it's worth, both Totem and VLC are now working on a variety of 
video formats.  What is NOT working correctly is Firefox embedding 
Totem.  I just made another post re: Firefox File Types that explains 
what I had to do to see a working Totem from within Firefox.

Thank you again for your help.  I would never have found my way there alone.






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 22:34:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:34:53 -0500
Subject: mplayer play mp3 help
References: <861x0sj500.fsf@gmail.com> <jason.1ziy0n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<86d5kchj04.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jason.1zjeom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


leon Wrote: 
> 'Forum Post <ulist (AT) gs1 (DOT) ubuntuforums.org>,
> '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

> 

> | 

> | If you are using ubuntu with gnome and not some other desktop
> manager

> | you need to tell mplayer to use esd.  Read this howto: 

> | http://tinyurl.com/crcek (since you already have mplayer just read
> the

> | part that's entitled "Configuring Sound")

> | 

> | 

> | -- 

> | _jason

> | 

> 

> Yeah, that can be a solution.

> 

> But do you think the alsa driver has problem? Could you mplayer -ao
> alsa

> FILE to check? This could be useful in future release and I think alsa

> is the way to go.

> 

> Thanks.

> -- 

> ..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

> ..     *                                       .

> ..    /.\  excuses are the easiest things      .

> ..   /..'\     to manufacture                  .

> ..   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .

> ..  /.''.'\                                    .

> ..  /.'.'.\                                    .

> .. /'.''.'.\                                   .

> .. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .

> ..                                             .

> ..Leon                                         .

> ..:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Before I changed mplayer to use esd, I would get that error and the
sound would be terrible when streaming a .asf file (this is the only
case I remember, but it may have happened to other files).  I just
tried playing a .mp3 however and it played fine and didn't display the
alsa-space error you mentioned.


-- 
_jason



From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 22:41:36 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:41:36 -0600
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net> <43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <439370A0.1070601@cox.net>

Ed Fletcher wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> Albert wrote:
> | Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
> | Does any user of Firefox know why
> | Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
> | "Remove" buttons disabled?
> 
> These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above them.

There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea 
how yours got there?

> 
> Ed



From ed at fletcher.ca  Sun Dec  4 22:48:54 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:48:54 -0800
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net> <43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>
	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
Message-ID: <43937256.9020906@fletcher.ca>

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Albert wrote:
| Ed Fletcher wrote:
|> Albert wrote:
|> | Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
|> | Does any user of Firefox know why
|> | Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
|> | "Remove" buttons disabled?
|>
|> These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above them.
|
|
| There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
| how yours got there?
|

Not sure.  This machine was upgraded from Hoary rather than a new
install, so there may be leftover settings.

When you attempt to open a filetype that has been disabled, does it only
allow you to download and not open with another application?

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sun Dec  4 23:20:24 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:20:24 +0000
Subject: Has anyone used the "Sound Recorder"?
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512041417q5577dd2eyb0a47c0a018545d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133731729.30323.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<80f459360512041417q5577dd2eyb0a47c0a018545d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133738424.10043.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 22:17 +0000, Aaron Kiley wrote:
> Just tried to use the software, and tbh I have never used it before,
> but as you state, it appears to be kaput, as in totally broken.
> 
> You should submit a bug report for it mate.

Not just me then...  Thanks!

I'll have a quick check for existing bug reports and then go ahead if
I'm adding anything fresh.

Neil
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/4/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
>         That's Applications->Sound & Video->Sound Recorder.
>         
>         I've just tried to use it.  It appears totally broken on both
>         my Ubuntu
>         machines (Breezy).  Depending on the Multimedia settings, it
>         is broken
>         in different ways, but always broken.  (Says it is recording,
>         but slider 
>         doesn't move;  says it is recording but seconds counter runs
>         way too
>         fast;  stops responding to control input after I click to stop
>         recording;  looses connection to the xserver and has to be
>         killed...)
>         
>         If it works for others I'd like advice about the conditions
>         needed for 
>         it to work.
>         
>         My fix for the moment has been to install krecord, which does
>         work for me.

> 
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec  4 23:30:04 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:30:04 +1100
Subject: Audacity useless gotten from synaptic
In-Reply-To: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133689087.20190.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051205103004.3cf7e815.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:07 +0200
Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed audacity from Synaptic and it won't work. It says there's an
> error with the audio and won't record or playback. If I go into
> preferences it won't let me configure the audio.

Try turning off system sounds

System - Preferences - Sound

uncheck/ untick  "Sounds for Events"

Audacity wants exclusive access to /dev/dsp and doesn't understand esd, it
seems. You will also get the error if anything else is using sound ( music
players etc )

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From warlock at eskimo.com  Sun Dec  4 23:41:52 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:41:52 -0800
Subject: Daily backups
In-Reply-To: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4390BF7E.9000202@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1133739712.27836.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 16:41 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to set up a system to perform automated 
> daily incremental and weekly full backups.  So far I have no problem 
> using tar for a weekly full backup, but now I'm trying to get it to 
> perform daily incremental backups.  I found the --newer-mtime option 
> that looks like it should do the trick for daily backups, but I have a 
> few small issues still left to work out:
> 
> 1) tar gets very noisy with --newer-mtime; it spits out a line for every 
> file that it does NOT backup because it's too old
> 
> 2) tar seems to include all directories in the archive, regardless of 
> their mtime.  This doesn't really hurt anything I suppose, but it seems 
> wasteful.
> 
> 3) I need a way to generate a date string automatically for yesterday. 
> Something like `date --yesterday`.
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 

Yeah, use either rbackup, or rdiff-backup. 


-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Those who live by the sword are shot by those who don't.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec  4 23:42:45 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:42:45 -0500
Subject: Problems with playing DVD - Error invoking
	"dvdnav_get_next_block"
References: <200510202110.52096.lists@spudulike.me.uk>
Message-ID: <rattusdatorum.1zjidy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the same problem :(

It plays the "intro" and then :( in some players I only have sound in
the intro.



PLEASE HELP!



wanna see the LIVE SHIT and rock!


-- 
rattusdatorum



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 00:30:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:30:34 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43936FD1.500@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


In synaptic look for :

mozplugger



Then verify by typing this in the location bar of firefox:

about:Plugins



mind the upper-case P.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 00:40:16 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:40:16 -0600
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <43937256.9020906@fletcher.ca>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>
	<43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
	<43937256.9020906@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <43938C70.80803@cox.net>

Ed Fletcher wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Albert wrote:
> | Ed Fletcher wrote:
> |> Albert wrote:
> |> | Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
> |> | Does any user of Firefox know why
> |> | Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
> |> | "Remove" buttons disabled?
> |>
> |> These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above 
> them.
> |
> |
> | There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
> | how yours got there?
> |
> 
> Not sure.  This machine was upgraded from Hoary rather than a new
> install, so there may be leftover settings.
> 
> When you attempt to open a filetype that has been disabled, does it only
> allow you to download and not open with another application?

It pops up a dialog with either Totem or VLC as default and widgets to 
select another handler.  Unfortunately, it doesn't give a list of 
programs, but rather, just opens my home directory and leaves me to 
guess the program name and startup options.

> 
> Ed




From smartssa at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 01:01:20 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:01:20 -0500
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net> <43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>
	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512041701o1ef29437rbc73765f3dbcc0c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/4/05, Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:
> Ed Fletcher wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Albert wrote:
> > | Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
> > | Does any user of Firefox know why
> > | Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
> > | "Remove" buttons disabled?
> >
> > These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above them.
>
> There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
> how yours got there?

They get added to the list when you download a file and are prompted
"open with..." or "save..."

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From slzatz at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 01:33:27 2005
From: slzatz at gmail.com (Steve Zatz)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:33:27 -0500
Subject: Changing the port of a cgi application under Apache2
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512041421t73a43b54r@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b21d8370512041343j530b90aes5843015e0494964d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512041421t73a43b54r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6b21d8370512041733w35a9b334xf2267c4e8eb2750a@mail.gmail.com>

> * tell apache to listen on an additional port
> * make a virtual host on that port
> * scriptalias / -> /path/to/cgi in that vhost

Worked perfectly. Thanks.



From stanb at panix.com  Mon Dec  5 01:51:10 2005
From: stanb at panix.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:51:10 -0500
Subject: MPEG -> DV converter?
Message-ID: <20051205015110.GA22786@teddy.fas.com>

I've got a MythTV box, and I'd like to edit some of the files
it's captured and write them to DVD's

Looks like Kino is a decent video editor (but sugestions would
be welcome her) But it aparently can only handle "DV" files.

Looking at nuvexport on the Myth box, this does not seem to eb
one of the formates it supports. Can anyone recomend a converter?

-- 
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror 
- New York Times 9/3/1967



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 01:45:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:45:42 -0500
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <grimmson.1zjnxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


we might need more info than that if we are going to help.:rolleyes:


-- 
grimmson



From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 02:05:38 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:05:38 -0600
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512041701o1ef29437rbc73765f3dbcc0c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>
	<43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>
	<37dd77890512041701o1ef29437rbc73765f3dbcc0c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4393A072.5000109@cox.net>

Darryl Clarke wrote:
> On 12/4/05, Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>>Ed Fletcher wrote:
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>Albert wrote:
>>>| Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
>>>| Does any user of Firefox know why
>>>| Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
>>>| "Remove" buttons disabled?
>>>
>>>These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above them.
>>
>>There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
>>how yours got there?
> 
> 
> They get added to the list when you download a file and are prompted
> "open with..." or "save..."

Thanks Darryl.  Maybe they should, but they don't.
> 
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> 




From ultron33 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 02:14:46 2005
From: ultron33 at gmail.com (Jeff Fuller)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:14:46 +1300
Subject: pesky icon
Message-ID: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Can anybody tell me how to remove the hda1 (windows partition) icon from
the desktop?




From sepheebear at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 02:31:38 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:31:38 -0500
Subject: automatic logins
In-Reply-To: <b873c5200512040300k7dc5fcd7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b873c5200512040300k7dc5fcd7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205023138.GA3507@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="David Andrew" on Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 06:00:11AM EST>

> If I enable automatic login for one user and then timed login for another
> user say 2 minutes later would that work or could it cause problems?

Likely automatic login would take precedence since it's immediate.

Seth



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 02:27:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:27:04 -0500
Subject: pesky icon
References: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zjpsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thats sitting there probably because fstab specifies it as auto.
In you /etc/fstab replace thw windows mount line with something like:


Code:
--------------------
    /dev/sda1       /windows        ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=022        0       0
--------------------


the 'user' tells the os any user can mount it
the 'noauto' tells the os not to mount it at bootup

However please keep in ming that once you do that you will have to
mount it manually to use it.

On second thought post the contents of your /etc/fstab file so that I
can suggest the exact, correct changes.

HTH
AM


-- 
amohanty



From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 03:00:30 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:00:30 -0600
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <4393A072.5000109@cox.net>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>	<43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>	<37dd77890512041701o1ef29437rbc73765f3dbcc0c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4393A072.5000109@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4393AD4E.8000907@cox.net>

Albert wrote:
> Darryl Clarke wrote:
> 
>> On 12/4/05, Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Fletcher wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Albert wrote:
>>>> | Breezy; Firefox 1.0.7(Ubuntu compiled)
>>>> | Does any user of Firefox know why
>>>> | Edit->Preferences->Downloads->FileTypes has the "Change Action" and
>>>> | "Remove" buttons disabled?
>>>>
>>>> These enabled for me when I selected a filetype from the list above 
>>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
>>> how yours got there?
>>
>>
>>
>> They get added to the list when you download a file and are prompted
>> "open with..." or "save..."
> 
> 
> Thanks Darryl.  Maybe they should, but they don't.
Ah!  Only if you check the box that says do all of this type the same way.




From ultron33 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 03:36:29 2005
From: ultron33 at gmail.com (Jeff Fuller)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:36:29 +1300
Subject: pesky icon
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zjpsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<amohanty.1zjpsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1133753790.8955.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks for the reply but i dont know much about /etc/fstab etc,(i would
probably stuff something up) just thought there might be a quick and
easy way?

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 21:27 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Thats sitting there probably because fstab specifies it as auto.
> In you /etc/fstab replace thw windows mount line with something like:
> 
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     /dev/sda1       /windows        ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=022        0       0
> --------------------
> 
> 
> the 'user' tells the os any user can mount it
> the 'noauto' tells the os not to mount it at bootup
> 
> However please keep in ming that once you do that you will have to
> mount it manually to use it.
> 
> On second thought post the contents of your /etc/fstab file so that I
> can suggest the exact, correct changes.
> 
> HTH
> AM
> 
> 
> -- 
> amohanty
> 




From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 03:46:59 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:46:59 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43936FD1.500@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4393B833.8000007@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> In synaptic look for :
> 
> mozplugger

It was there, but not installed.  I installed it.

> Then verify by typing this in the location bar of firefox:
> 
> about:Plugins

What am I verifying?  This turned all of the disabled types back to enabled.
> 
> 
> 
> mind the upper-case P.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> AM
> 
> 




From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Mon Dec  5 04:02:45 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott Henson)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:02:45 -0500
Subject: pesky icon
In-Reply-To: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4393BBE5.4010800@csee.wvu.edu>

Jeff Fuller wrote:

>Can anybody tell me how to remove the hda1 (windows partition) icon from
>the desktop?
>
>
>  
>
On the menu
Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor

This brings up gconf editor. Then

/ -> apps -> nautilus -> desktop

The check box that says "Volumes Visable" should be unchecked.

Be careful though as this will mean you will no longer see cd's, dvd's
or usb key drives on your desktop when they are mounted.  Youll still be
able to see them in the "Places" on the menu bar and under "Computer"



From ultron33 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 04:25:40 2005
From: ultron33 at gmail.com (Jeff Fuller)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:25:40 +1300
Subject: pesky icon
In-Reply-To: <4393BBE5.4010800@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <1133748887.17527.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4393BBE5.4010800@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <1133756740.17505.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 23:02 -0500, Scott Henson wrote:
> Jeff Fuller wrote:
> 
> >Can anybody tell me how to remove the hda1 (windows partition) icon from
> >the desktop?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> On the menu
> Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor
> 
> This brings up gconf editor. Then
> 
> / -> apps -> nautilus -> desktop
> 
> The check box that says "Volumes Visable" should be unchecked.
> 
> Be careful though as this will mean you will no longer see cd's, dvd's
> or usb key drives on your desktop when they are mounted.  Youll still be
> able to see them in the "Places" on the menu bar and under "Computer"

> Many thanks Scott, My desktop looks great!





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 04:44:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:44:58 -0500
Subject: Install HP Photosmart 2610 All - in - one
References: <437E0A9D.8010506@ca.inter.net>
	<pan.2005.11.20.04.43.45.776836@comcast.net>
	<gsmlinux.1zgpgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <arphe_el.1zjw9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


1. Modify cupsd.conf file on your server: sudo gedit
/etc/cups/cupsd.conf

#Port 80
#Port 443
Port 631 (delete #)
#
#Listen 127.0.0.1:631

#BrowseAddress x.y.z.255
#BrowseAddress x.y.255.255
#BrowseAddress x.255.255.255
#BrowseAddress 255.255.255.255
#BrowseAddress @LOCAL
BrowseAddress 192.168.1.255

<Location />
Order Deny,Allow
Deny From All
Allow From 127.0.0.1
Allow From 192.168.1.101 (replace with your i.p. of server)
</Location>

<Location /admin>
#
# You definitely will want to limit access to the administration
functions.
# The default configuration requires a local connection from a user who
# is a member of the system group to do any admin tasks. You can change
# the group name using the SystemGroup directive.
#

AuthType Basic
AuthClass System
## Restrict access to local domain
Order Deny,Allow
Deny From All
Allow From 127.0.0.1
Allow From 192.168.1.101 (replace with ip server)

#Encryption Required
</Location>



2. Modify clients.conf file on your client: sudo gedit
/etc/cups/client.conf

ServerName 192.168.1.101 (replace with ip server)


3. Restarts cups on server and client side: 

#sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart

note: do it on both server and client computer


4. Check status on server and client side: lpstat -t

5. Follow procedures on installing printer.ppd

6. edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf

7. in your desktop go to system > printing > set printer to local

hope this will help you. GODspeed!


-- 
arphe_el



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 05:14:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:14:32 -0500
Subject: syncing my pocket pc with evolution via multisync/opensync/synce
References: <a937801a0512030711u26bc8164m517edd4367ceab36@mail.gmail.com>
	<a937801a0512030713x67a24624u4319ce79ab948b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ubuntuthinking.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hmm,

I had some issues with the UTC problem.  I changed the default time
standard in Evo to UTC, then all has been well.  Im in Chicago Time
(CT).



Relating to the sync, I have had similar issues.  Adding on either
device is OK.  But changes in status, modifications and deletes are
difficult to sort out.  What I mean is that I have not tried to fix
this yet - I'm still doing backfilps that I'm not losing data!



I have not found a good source for tracking these "bugs" ....


-- 
ubuntuthinking



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 05:14:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:14:39 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43936FD1.500@cox.net><amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4393B833.8000007@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You want to verify that all the common media types are handled by the
right applications.



So does it now do what you wanted?



AM


-- 
amohanty



From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 05:34:05 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:04:05 +0530
Subject: Gtk 1.2 themes
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512042134i4b58c054xd292b16fd5932da8@mail.gmail.com>

How can I change the gtk 1.2 themes? I got gtk-engines-industrial with
apt, but cant change the theme of my gtk 1.2 apps (xmms, Audacity, Vlc
Player, etc.)

I tried to change the theme with gtk-theme-switch package and also by
manually editing ~/.gtkrc file.

I cant see any change in the above mentioned apps.


revant



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 05:51:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:51:13 -0500
Subject: Wanted: simple mailer for laptop use
References: <9fd27fe90510270116v131856a5s6d9efd1cde8b917e@mail.gmail.com><40628.202.72.174.149.1130402441.squirrel@strikeforce.dyndns.org><9fd27fe90510270207n2b0bbb0atf0253482d82a16ea@mail.gmail.com><43609D78.7020204@militant.dk><9fd27fe90510270302o223a5137nbdc8b9ce6554143f@mail.gmail.com><pcu633-19j.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca><9fd27fe90510270703n16f4fa50wb5eb412a0d8ee22f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1130425352.18921.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <amorangi.1zjz1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you ever get this to go?



After a fairly large amount of effort (mostly trying to find
instructions, and then getting the motivation to carry them out and
pick out what was relavent) I have an imap set up on my home LAN
getting pop3 from my remote webserver. I need to write down exactly
what I did in case I need to do it all again, and to help out anyone
who might be interested in doing the same thing. 



I think as time goes on and more people have home networks this will
become more sought after.


-- 
amorangi



From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 06:15:48 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:15:48 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
Message-ID: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>


Is the LVM partitioning option of the Breezy installer known to
actually work?  I have read all about LVM and I understand
partitioning (having done many prior Linux installs), but I couldn't
get the LVM options to do anything sensible.  Well, that's not quite
true: I got the thing to put two physical partitions on my 30GB disk,
one a 255MB /boot partition and the remaining space allocated to /,
and two logical volumes soaking up the physical space on /, the
smaller of which got allocated to /swap.  That's the default you get
when you tell it to erase your 30GB disk and use LVM.

However, I was unable to add logical volumes or modify the volume
group: the partitioner would tell me there was no physical volume to
operate on (!)  I'm pretty sure I want more than just two top level
logical volumes.  Even though the installer does nothing smart about
that by default, everything I've read makes plausible arguments that I
ought to be separating /var, /home, /tmp, etc., from one another.

[Oh, and you can create some really unholy nonsense by going back to
"guided partitioning" and choosing the wrong option there after
telling the partitiner to erase and use LVM]

I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.

This is all part of my evil plan to ditch Windows because it's so
impenetrable, so one thing I really wanted was to give myself another
logical volume for a dual-boot Windows installation -- but at this
rate I may have to ditch my evil plan :(

Can anyone help?  TIA,

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From rstoffers at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 06:59:51 2005
From: rstoffers at gmail.com (Robert Stoffers)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:59:51 +1000
Subject: Wanted: simple mailer for laptop use
In-Reply-To: <amorangi.1zjz1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <9fd27fe90510270116v131856a5s6d9efd1cde8b917e@mail.gmail.com>
	<40628.202.72.174.149.1130402441.squirrel@strikeforce.dyndns.org>
	<9fd27fe90510270207n2b0bbb0atf0253482d82a16ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<43609D78.7020204@militant.dk>
	<9fd27fe90510270302o223a5137nbdc8b9ce6554143f@mail.gmail.com>
	<pcu633-19j.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<9fd27fe90510270703n16f4fa50wb5eb412a0d8ee22f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1130425352.18921.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<amorangi.1zjz1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1133765991.12540.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:51 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Did you ever get this to go?
> 
> 
> 
> After a fairly large amount of effort (mostly trying to find
> instructions, and then getting the motivation to carry them out and
> pick out what was relavent) I have an imap set up on my home LAN
> getting pop3 from my remote webserver. I need to write down exactly
> what I did in case I need to do it all again, and to help out anyone
> who might be interested in doing the same thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> I think as time goes on and more people have home networks this will
> become more sought after.
> 
> 
> -- 
> amorangi
> 

I remember a piece of advice I once heard, it went something along the
lines of:

"there is no need to run your own mail server for home use, open relays
are bad mmmkay?"

There's a number of reasons for this, but accidentally running an open
relay mail server due to some configuration error would be the biggest
problem. Besides that, Gmail and others already to a great job, have
free pop3 access and are available wherever you have an Internet
connection.  Why not just use these free services instead? If your only
doing it so you can filter spam, use SpamAssassin with Evolution as an
alternative (see http://krath.dk/linux/evolution_spamfilter/ for more
info). 

Regards,

-- 
Robert Stoffers
Author/Maintainer - Ubuntu Starter Guide
Ubuntu Documentation Team





From mark at planetman.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 07:15:51 2005
From: mark at planetman.co.uk (Mark Nottingham)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:15:51 -0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <doitashimashite.1zihcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1744992235.30436.ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

I would like to get rid of Windows but I can't. I cannot find a VPN client
that works with my firm's Nortel Contivity box and some of the apps I need
won't run under Wine (and there is nothing that does the same job afaik). My
'productivity' is just so much higher with XP too. Everything is so much
easier to install and use. If I want to install a program I just
double-click on a file and the application is listed in the 'All Programs'
menu. In Ubuntu, if I can work out *how* to install it I then have no idea
where it has installed it to, and there is usually nothing listed in the
menus so I can run it.

Having said all that, I really like Ubuntu - the software and the
philosophy. I ordered the CDs and I've been dishing them out to my friends.
Maybe in a year or so I can make the switch permanent. Until then I'll have
to hang on to XP I'm afraid.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of 'Forum Post
Sent: 04 December 2005 10:36
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?


No, Ubuntu hasn't replaced Windows on my desktop.

Windows has never been installed on my computer at all!


--
doitashimashite

--
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 07:02:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:02:40 -0500
Subject: Iriver
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511161931g58805324r3abca67d3fc6c068@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70511162007o68ecad0dl857746a7aa3705aa@mail.gmail.com><d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d5bd99f70512031755j48a10b02v8e6bf9f553357f46@mail.gmail.com><Ufo.1ziw5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512040935y404a611cg6c4b644b6d0680d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ufo.1zk2ra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Go ahead and give it a try!

For me it has been easier to interact between player and computer now.



When I upgraded the firmware, it gave some error messages (which I
didn't write down and can't remember any more) and it took some minutes
before player turned itself off. Anyway upgrade successed, so don't
worry if you have the same thing. Just wait until player turns itself
off.



Have fun :-)


-- 
Ufo



From ed at fletcher.ca  Mon Dec  5 07:35:41 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:35:41 -0800
Subject: Firefox File types disabled
In-Reply-To: <4393A072.5000109@cox.net>
References: <43936B8F.3090606@cox.net>	<43936CB4.3050405@fletcher.ca>	<439370A0.1070601@cox.net>	<37dd77890512041701o1ef29437rbc73765f3dbcc0c0@mail.gmail.com>
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Albert wrote:
|>> There are no filetypes to select from in my list.  Do you have any idea
|>> how yours got there?
|>
|> They get added to the list when you download a file and are prompted
|> "open with..." or "save..."
|
| Thanks Darryl.  Maybe they should, but they don't.

OK.  Lets go back a bit and do this one step at a time.  What file type
are you trying to get working?

Let's say you don't want to use evince for viewing pdf's.  You would
uncheck the default action and then attempt to display a pdf.  That
should now bring up a selection option asking if you want to use evince
or another program.  You would browse the filesystem until you found the
program you wanted to use, like xpdf.  (Hint:  Open a terminal and enter
'which xpdf'.  This will give you the path to xpdf: /usr/bin/xpdf)

Select the option to always use this program for this filetype and you
should be good to go.

Note that you need to know which program you wish to use for each filetype.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 07:25:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:25:56 -0500
Subject: Xen support without reinventing the wheel
References: <2229.141.18.24.118.1129551602.squirrel@thelinuxbeat.net><yookoala.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<dkqc51$gcp$1@sea.gmane.org><20051108204521.GF3060@hezmatt.org>
	<dkrf1f$bho$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051109015405.GB7810@hezmatt.org>
Message-ID: <slava.1zk3om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


fiy

Xen packages availible for Ubuntu and Debian

http://tinyurl.com/e2cuf


-- 
slava



From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 07:41:32 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:41:32 +0800
Subject: Inventoy solution?
Message-ID: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

This question is OT but this is the only place in know to ask. Our company
uses warehouses quite far from the sales office. We do not have any system
that allows us to check our inventory so we have to call the various
warehouses to check if the stock is available. the problem that I have is
that this is highly inefficient and was hoping you guys can give me any
ideas how my sales team can access the inventory via web or some other
means.

Charles
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 07:49:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:49:20 -0500
Subject: 'headless' install options
References: <3f1760511250130g7304d359y@mail.gmail.com>
	<1132911338.4386daea58f42@webmail.kingsley.co.za>
	<Joey.French.1z1u9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <mikeage.1zk4ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


*bump*

Install via an SSH connection would also be nice -- although I'm not
sure how feasable that is.

What about some kind of redhat Kickstart like installation -- even if
it it installed nothing besides for an ssh server and apt-get, the rest
could easily be done.


-- 
mikeage



From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 08:29:38 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:29:38 +0100
Subject: Firefox: mouse wheel stops working!
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512041356hcad287ex4851e91dc0e9ccb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512041356hcad287ex4851e91dc0e9ccb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512050029p63ad89ceoea428052e14e465@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have a (stupid?) problem with my ubuntu 5.10:

in Firefox if I use the scroll page (i.e. in this page:
http://www.ilpuntotecnicoeadsl.com/forum/index.php/topic,1190.0.html )
the mouse wheel works for 5-10 seconds, after not anymore!

Does anyone know this bug?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 08:38:32 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:38:32 +0000
Subject: mutt/procmail mailbox modification times
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051202155309.GA11290@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203021836.GA19360@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051203060920.GA12277@hermes.emmily.com>
	<20051203093343.GA14984@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<9421dc6f0512030619n15386efxcbe676cffd983421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205083831.GA12988@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
> Did you build beagle or customize your kernel? I believe on the ubuntu
> beagle page it was specifically recommended not to use the inotify
> patch. Unless something drastic has changed from hoary to breezy, I
> can't imagine inotify is built into the kernel. Wouldn't be the first
> time I was wrong, though.

I remembered that the kernel config is put into /boot, (and this is with
a standard ubuntu kernel):

    david at box:~ $ grep -i notify /boot/config-2.6.12-10-686
    CONFIG_INOTIFY=y
    CONFIG_DNOTIFY=y

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 08:47:36 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:47:36 +0000
Subject: Firefox: mouse wheel stops working!
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512050029p63ad89ceoea428052e14e465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512041356hcad287ex4851e91dc0e9ccb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512050029p63ad89ceoea428052e14e465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4393FEA8.9050201@gmail.com>

Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, I have a (stupid?) problem with my ubuntu 5.10:
> 
> in Firefox if I use the scroll page (i.e. in this page:
> http://www.ilpuntotecnicoeadsl.com/forum/index.php/topic,1190.0.html )
> the mouse wheel works for 5-10 seconds, after not anymore!
> 
> Does anyone know this bug?
> 

I have this problem too, sometimes and I haven't got a solution. As a 
temporary work around try this. I fix it by clicking on the scrollbar 
and moving it or scrolling once on top the vertical scrollbar seems to 
fix it as well.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 09:15:51 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:15:51 +0100
Subject: Firefox: mouse wheel stops working!
In-Reply-To: <4393FEA8.9050201@gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512041356hcad287ex4851e91dc0e9ccb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512050029p63ad89ceoea428052e14e465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4393FEA8.9050201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512050115w152faef9gb5e8ee2bc81e3972@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன்
<sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have this problem too, sometimes and I haven't got a solution. As a
> temporary work around try this. I fix it by clicking on the scrollbar
> and moving it or scrolling once on top the vertical scrollbar seems to
> fix it as well.

This bug is relative to ubuntu 5.10 ONLY. Friends of mine doesn't have
this problem: they have Gentoo, Debian, etc.

From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:05:40 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:05:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAT32 RW problems
In-Reply-To: <43936330.8080403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205100540.48798.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi steve, Hi everyone,
Actually, Ive tried every entry possible in my fstab,
including the one you told me...

And even as owner of the hard drive (with RW
capability showon in 'properties'), I cannot write
because ubuntu always says the file is mounted on a
read-only system file disk.

Maybe Ive a problem with the bios config...?
Ive got one disk with two OS (msouine & ubuntu),
Master HD, and another with data (FAT32), slave HD

sc

--- Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:

> Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> > Hi everybody.
> > This question is newbee-style but I must admit I
> did
> > not solve the problem with all I know about linux
> > permisssions.
> > 
> > My fstab includes rw possiblity and when I view
> the HD
> > properties, I have all rights to r/w on it.
> > 
> > fstab extract :
> > /dev/hdb1/media/hdb1 vfat
> >
>
user,rw,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850
> >        0       0
> > 
> > But now I cannot write on it anymore, a message
> tells
> > me the driver is readonly (mc message, error no
> 30).
> > 
> > At boot, mounting file systems displays "failed",
> even
> > if i was able to r/w before. But yesterday it si
> > finally impossible to rw.
> > 
> > I simply don't understand.
> > Thanks,
> > Sébastien
> 
> Here is what my fstab entry is and works for RW
> access for all users:
> 
> /dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat   
> users,rw,umask=0 0 0
> 
> Obviously you can substitute your particulars for
> partition "/dev/hda5" 
> and the mount point "/mnt/d".
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> -Steve.
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> 
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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Mon Dec  5 10:12:00 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:12:00 +0200
Subject: Modem Problems
Message-ID: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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I hope that the experienced members of this list will have the patience to deal with a complete Linux idiot like me.

I am playing with Ubuntu at home on a fairly (1999) old Dell machine. This is my first attempt at Linux. On Saturday I bought an external (Microcom DeskPorte Home) serial port modem. To my surprise I was able to install it and get it working without any great difficulties: I used the standard System > Administration > Networking.

But while it is working, it is not working very well:

The only way I can find of getting the modem to connect is by following the System > Administration > Networking route. Surely I should be able to connect without root privileges? Surely I should be able to create an icon that says "Connect to Internet"? Surely, if I tell Firefox to connect to an URL, it should have some way of initiating the connection and not just give me the informative message "www.x.y could not be found. Please check the name and try again"? 

On a Debian site I read of the command pon and got temporarily excited as that seemed to be what I was looking for. But when I type pon (or sudo pon) I get:

/usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'

which is not as helpful as I was hoping. (poff works fine).

The same helpful Debian article talks of editing the file /etc/ppp/peers/provider. I did this (setting "modem" to "ttyS0") but poor old pon tried and tried and tried to connect but achieved nothing. At least it did not give me that error message any more. I thought that I could reboot to get it to stop, but it started again as soon as the boot was complete. That will teach me to use Windows solutions on Linux.

I am sure that what I want to do is nothing extraordinary. In fact I am sure they can be done if I knew what how to do them:

I want to be able to connect to my service provider by clicking on an icon (or some similar convenient technique). This should not require root privileges.

When Firefox or another program wants to connect, it should happen automatically. It would be nice if it asked me first.

Connections should time out and disconnect if there is no activity after a certain time.

Help please.

Bill 





From usenet at go4more.de  Mon Dec  5 10:16:19 2005
From: usenet at go4more.de (Ralf M�rler)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:16:19 +0100
Subject: Use desktop monitor as an extension of Laptop monitor
References: <80f75db0512011627o50fed3d6o344733959cbbd2d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dn145f$c3d$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi,

"Carthik Sharma" <carthik at gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:80f75db0512011627o50fed3d6o344733959cbbd2d5 at mail.gmail.com...
> Hi all,

[snip]

> Right now, every morning, I unplug the monitor from the desktop, plug
> it into my laptop, and use it as an extended monitor, and then reverse
> it in the evening - this is a lot of work, and so i am increasingly
> not doing this. The use of a software tool would be great to acheive
> this.

Docking-Station + kvm-switch.
Docking-Station is always connected to the kvm, the desktop too.
Notebook in Docking-Station, enable Cinerama and hit magic-keys switching 
the kvm, you're done.

> I have heard things said about using vnc/x-over-ssh to extend
> monitors, but haven't the slightest clue as to how to do this...

???

> I love the synergy idea, too bad it does not let me use both monitors
> for one computer when I want to...

Both Monitors?

> Any ideas are welcome. Thank you for the patient ear (eye?)
>
> :)
> Carthik.
> --
> Ph.D. Candidate
> University of Central Florida
> Homepage: http://carthik.net 






From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 10:27:56 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:57:56 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <Ufo.1zk2ra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512020442o3fa446c3p670fe62b11982329@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512031755j48a10b02v8e6bf9f553357f46@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1ziw5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512040935y404a611cg6c4b644b6d0680d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zk2ra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512050227l2f6d2c70i176c37d7a7532e1a@mail.gmail.com>

OK..I will tell you once I am done..
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/5/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> Go ahead and give it a try!
>
> For me it has been easier to interact between player and computer now.
>
>
>
> When I upgraded the firmware, it gave some error messages (which I
> didn't write down and can't remember any more) and it took some minutes
> before player turned itself off. Anyway upgrade successed, so don't
> worry if you have the same thing. Just wait until player turns itself
> off.
>
>
>
> Have fun :-)
>
>
> --
> Ufo
>
> --
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From janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net  Mon Dec  5 10:39:03 2005
From: janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net (janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:39:03 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
Message-ID: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>

Hey all,

long time ago there was a conversation about moving from apt-get to aptitude.
There's a problem when aptitude handles dependencies etc. a little differently
than apt-get, and thus doing 'aptitude upgrade' would cause some packages to be
removed, and some of them include packages I'm sure I need. (like OO.o2 for
instance)

I vaguely remember someone posting a trick that made this go away, but I can't
seem to find it anymore. I'm thinking it has to do with making aptitude to use
the same list that apt-get uses, or something similar. Wonder if someone
understands what I'm getting at? ;)

Thanks in advance!


-- 
Jaska



From justin at kelly.org.au  Mon Dec  5 10:55:02 2005
From: justin at kelly.org.au (Justin Kelly)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:55:02 +1100
Subject: Modem Problems
In-Reply-To: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <e5d5dc200512050255j7930de24v89f44fa7b2ac5726@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill

>
> I want to be able to connect to my service provider by clicking on an icon (or some similar convenient technique). This should not require root privileges.
>

I wrote a program (http://easydialup.sf.net)) so that my wife could
connect to the net without knowing any system, isp passwords, numbers,
etc. might be what your after,(its a webbased dialup client for
ubuntu). Just  config it once, set it as your default homepage in
firefox. when firefox open click 'Internet On' and thats it :)

Re: pon
To get pon working i suggect running pppconfig from the commandline -
following the setup details - name the profile then run pon
$profilename

If you have any question re pon/pppconfig please dont hesitate to
email me off list - ive fought the ppp/linux battle to many times
already.

Cheers

Justin


On 12/5/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
>
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> I hope that the experienced members of this list will have the patience to deal with a complete Linux idiot like me.
>
> I am playing with Ubuntu at home on a fairly (1999) old Dell machine. This is my first attempt at Linux. On Saturday I bought an external (Microcom DeskPorte Home) serial port modem. To my surprise I was able to install it and get it working without any great difficulties: I used the standard System > Administration > Networking.
>
> But while it is working, it is not working very well:
>
> The only way I can find of getting the modem to connect is by following the System > Administration > Networking route. Surely I should be able to connect without root privileges? Surely I should be able to create an icon that says "Connect to Internet"? Surely, if I tell Firefox to connect to an URL, it should have some way of initiating the connection and not just give me the informative message "www.x.y could not be found. Please check the name and try again"?
>
> On a Debian site I read of the command pon and got temporarily excited as that seemed to be what I was looking for. But when I type pon (or sudo pon) I get:
>
> /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'
>
> which is not as helpful as I was hoping. (poff works fine).
>
> The same helpful Debian article talks of editing the file /etc/ppp/peers/provider. I did this (setting "modem" to "ttyS0") but poor old pon tried and tried and tried to connect but achieved nothing. At least it did not give me that error message any more. I thought that I could reboot to get it to stop, but it started again as soon as the boot was complete. That will teach me to use Windows solutions on Linux.
>
> I am sure that what I want to do is nothing extraordinary. In fact I am sure they can be done if I knew what how to do them:
>
> I want to be able to connect to my service provider by clicking on an icon (or some similar convenient technique). This should not require root privileges.
>
> When Firefox or another program wants to connect, it should happen automatically. It would be nice if it asked me first.
>
> Connections should time out and disconnect if there is no activity after a certain time.
>
> Help please.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware.



From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 11:04:22 2005
From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:04:22 +0000
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
In-Reply-To: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
Message-ID: <20051205110422.07d54a1c.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:39:03 +0200 (EET)
janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net wrote:

JJN> Hey all,
JJN> 
JJN> long time ago there was a conversation about moving from apt-get to
JJN> aptitude. There's a problem when aptitude handles dependencies etc.
JJN> a little differently than apt-get, and thus doing 'aptitude
JJN> upgrade' would cause some packages to be removed, and some of them
JJN> include packages I'm sure I need. (like OO.o2 for instance)
JJN> 
JJN> I vaguely remember someone posting a trick that made this go away,
JJN> but I can't seem to find it anymore. I'm thinking it has to do with
JJN> making aptitude to use the same list that apt-get uses, or
JJN> something similar. Wonder if someone understands what I'm getting
JJN> at? ;)

I don't know the trick to stop it, but what's happening (as I recall) is
that if you install something and it installs other packages as
dependencies and then remove the original package, apt-get leaves the
dependencies, while aptitude removes them as well (unless you've
subsequently installed something else that depends on them). 

So I assume what you would need is an option that says "don't remove
packages installed as dependencies when their dependees have been
removed".

James

-- 
+------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+
| James Tappin           | School of Physics & Astronomy |  O__    |
| sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      | --  \/` |
| Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722                  |         |
+--------------------------------------------------------+---------+



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 11:15:16 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:15:16 +0000
Subject: Modem Problems
In-Reply-To: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051205111516.GA13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 12:12:00PM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> I am playing with Ubuntu at home on a fairly (1999) old Dell machine. This is my first attempt at Linux. On Saturday I bought an external (Microcom DeskPorte Home) serial port modem. To my surprise I was able to install it and get it working without any great difficulties: I used the standard System > Administration > Networking.
> 
> But while it is working, it is not working very well:
> 
> The only way I can find of getting the modem to connect is by following the System > Administration > Networking route. Surely I should be able to connect without root privileges? Surely I should be able to create an icon that says "Connect to Internet"? Surely, if I tell Firefox to connect to an URL, it should have some way of initiating the connection and not just give me the informative message "www.x.y could not be found. Please check the name and try again"? 

You can use the Modem Monitor to use the conection you've configured in
System > Administration > Networking.  Right click on the panel and
click Add to Panel...
 
> On a Debian site I read of the command pon and got temporarily excited as that seemed to be what I was looking for. But when I type pon (or sudo pon) I get:
> 
> /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'
> 
> which is not as helpful as I was hoping. (poff works fine).

'pppconfig' will configure a conection for use with pon/poff and
if I remember correctly, is usable by any member of the 'dip' group
without a password.  (The first user on an Ubuntu system is a member
by default.)
 
> I want to be able to connect to my service provider by clicking on an icon (or some similar convenient technique). This should not require root privileges.

Modem Monitor will give you an icon on your panel but it asks for a
password.  This doesn't really bother me as I've set it up only for
emergencies and when I'm away from home as I'm on ADSL most of the time.
 
> When Firefox or another program wants to connect, it should happen automatically. It would be nice if it asked me first.
> 
> Connections should time out and disconnect if there is no activity after a certain time.

When I was on dialup I've used the program/daemon 'diald' for this.
You'll need to enable the 'universe' repositry in synaptic to find
this (if you haven't already).  It takes a bit of setting up though
to avoid spurious dialups.

But I don't think a default install should allow either automatic
dialup or any user to configure the network.  At the very least it
will avoid unexpected expensive telephone bills.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 11:21:50 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:51:50 +0530
Subject: Auto-complete gives me more
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512050321k2eecfbck7d76977a7e6063f7@mail.gmail.com>

When ever i use [Tab] for auto-complete in bash, if the output is more
than the screen buffer, it automatically starts it under more

e.g.

$cd [tab][tab]
x/
y.log
z/
a.out
b/
c/
--More--

Can anyone tell me, How can I change this more to less so that it can be
<[tab][tab]> | less
instead of
<[tab][tab]> | more

$cd [tab][tab]
x/
y.log
z/
a.out
b/
c/
:_



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 11:40:50 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:40:50 +0000
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <20051205114050.GB13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 04:39:27PM +0100, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski wrote:
> For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
> spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
> blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
> with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.
> 
> Any solutions to this, or at least can
> anybody confirm I'm not seeing things?

I used Mutt with Gnome Terminal on both Warty and Hoary (and now
Breezy since the weekend).  I couldn't read some of those Korean
fonts but I never had a garbled screen that would stop me navigating.

I've just checked my Mutt config and I have:

    set charset="iso-8859-1"

and in the environment (if it makes any difference, as despite having
used Linux for several years I'm quite ignorant about language settings,
that and fonts):

    LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
    LANGUAGE=en_GB:en

What would be an appropriate setting for an English speaking person in
the UK?

> [1] Is it Mutt or mutt? Even mutt.org isn't consistent on this...

I don't think it really matters as long as people can understand what
you mean ;)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From esj at harvee.org  Mon Dec  5 12:45:15 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:45:15 -0500
Subject: Xen support without reinventing the wheel
In-Reply-To: <slava.1zk3om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <2229.141.18.24.118.1129551602.squirrel@thelinuxbeat.net><yookoala.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<dkqc51$gcp$1@sea.gmane.org><20051108204521.GF3060@hezmatt.org>	<dkrf1f$bho$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<20051109015405.GB7810@hezmatt.org>
	<slava.1zk3om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <dn1com$5a8$1@sea.gmane.org>

'Forum Post wrote:
> fiy
> 
> Xen packages availible for Ubuntu and Debian
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/e2cuf

unfortunately, the unstable release is quite out of date and 2.0.7 has 
some problems that have been fixed in the current unstable.

Building it yourself kind of works.  I've been successful at building 
unstable out of mercurial.  Unfortunately, none of the instructions I've 
seen on building the domU environment work.  as I posted on the xen list:

---
root at xeno:~# xm create xm-xen0 -c
Using config file "/etc/xen/xm-xen0".
Error: Device 2049 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not 
working.

am trying to build a ubuntu domU.  I follow the instructions in the wiki 
( http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/UbuntuHoaryHowTo ) and I get this 
message about hot plug scripts not working.  The primary difference 
(from the instructions)is that I'm using xen unstable and the disks are 
all file based.

disk = [ 'file:/home/esj/xen,sda1,w',
          'file:/var/xen/swap/xen0,sda2,w' ]

one thing I noticed was that the constructed it did not have any of the 
kernel modules for domU so I copied them from the 
/usr/lib/modules/2.6.12.6-xenU directory on dom0

I suspect the real problem lies with the domU image production process.

---

so now I need to figure out how to debug a virtual machine startup when 
it won't start up.  :-) I swear if I figure out what I did wrong, I'm 
going to automate the image production process as much as possible. 
There's no excuse for doing things by hand if it's a known process.  If 
I wanted to do that, I would use Gentoo[1].

---eric

[1] part of the reason I was forced into making a system with xen 
unstable was that my older gentoo based xen system coughed up a bloody 
hairball after power failure.  Postmortem indicated a busted gentoo 
update (third in the past year) so it was ubuntu to the rescue with a 
new dom0.  interestingly, all of the gentoo based domU's just ran. 
There are some problems with kernel version changes but they're just 
running.  I really need to however to migrate them all to ubuntu virtual 
machines.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec  4 15:31:07 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:31:07 -0400
Subject: Kernel 2.6.15-5, udev and Inspiron 6000
Message-ID: <rmeb63-q5d.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

I upgraded the kernel last week.  Big mistake.

2.6.15 came with new initramfs-tools and udev (sans hotplug).  This
coombination made my previous kernel (2.6.12-9) unworkable (because it
seems to need hotplug).

However, 2.6.15 has trouble with my SATA drive:

  ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy
  ata1: SATA max UDMA/133
  ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
  ata1: configured for UDMA/33
  scsi0: ata_piix
  hda: FUJITSU MHV2040A, ATA DISK drive
...
  Begin: Mounting root file system . . .
  Begin: Running /scripts/local-top . . .
  Done
<long pause>
  ALERT! /dev/sda7 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

At which point it drops to a busybox shell.  Strangely, changing /etc/fstab
to point / to /dev/hda7 _still_ gives the same "/dev/sda7 does not exist."
error.

2.6.12 doesn't have the "port busy" message, then:
  ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xBFA0 irq 14
  ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:2b00 82:346b 83:5b29 84:6003 85:3469 86:9a09 87:6003
88:203f
  ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/100, 78140160 sectors:
  ata1(0): applying bridge limits
  ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100
  scsi0 : ata_piix
    Vendor: ATA       Model: FUJITSU MHV2040A  Rev: 0000
    Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 05
  ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xBFA8 irq 15
  ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0b00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000
88:0407

Clearly, 2.6.15 isn't seeing this as a scsi disk.

Has anybody got a fix?

Going back to 2.6.12 was not trivial, as it failed to load many drivers
because it didn't have hotplug.  I had to reinstall hotplug and downgrade
udev.  I still don't have a working wireless connection, as it is failing
to load the ipw-2.3 firmware.
-- 
derek




From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 12:57:15 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:57:15 +0000
Subject: FAT32 RW problems
In-Reply-To: <20051205100540.48798.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051205100540.48798.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4394392B.50108@gmail.com>

Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> Hi steve, Hi everyone,
> Actually, Ive tried every entry possible in my fstab,
> including the one you told me...
> 
> And even as owner of the hard drive (with RW
> capability showon in 'properties'), I cannot write
> because ubuntu always says the file is mounted on a
> read-only system file disk.
> 
> Maybe Ive a problem with the bios config...?
> Ive got one disk with two OS (msouine & ubuntu),
> Master HD, and another with data (FAT32), slave HD
> 
> sc

Just to double check:
   1. This drive is internal right?(Obviously cos of the hdX naming)
   2. Until yesterday you were able to write to it. So what did you do 
yesterday? Did you install any patches of sort or did you change the 
fstab file or something?
   3. Can you write to partition as root?

May be you should try simpler mount options. Try:
  mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,suid,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From esj at harvee.org  Mon Dec  5 12:55:56 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:55:56 -0500
Subject: Wanted: simple mailer for laptop use
In-Reply-To: <1133765991.12540.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <9fd27fe90510270116v131856a5s6d9efd1cde8b917e@mail.gmail.com>	<40628.202.72.174.149.1130402441.squirrel@strikeforce.dyndns.org>	<9fd27fe90510270207n2b0bbb0atf0253482d82a16ea@mail.gmail.com>	<43609D78.7020204@militant.dk>	<9fd27fe90510270302o223a5137nbdc8b9ce6554143f@mail.gmail.com>	<pcu633-19j.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<9fd27fe90510270703n16f4fa50wb5eb412a0d8ee22f@mail.gmail.com>	<1130425352.18921.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<amorangi.1zjz1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1133765991.12540.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439438DC.7060905@harvee.org>

Robert Stoffers wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:51 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
>> After a fairly large amount of effort (mostly trying to find
>> instructions, and then getting the motivation to carry them out and
>> pick out what was relavent) I have an imap set up on my home LAN
>> getting pop3 from my remote webserver. I need to write down exactly
>> what I did in case I need to do it all again, and to help out anyone
>> who might be interested in doing the same thing. 

>> I think as time goes on and more people have home networks this will
>> become more sought after.

> I remember a piece of advice I once heard, it went something along the
> lines of:
> 
> "there is no need to run your own mail server for home use, open relays
> are bad mmmkay?"
> 
> There's a number of reasons for this, but accidentally running an open
> relay mail server due to some configuration error would be the biggest
> problem. Besides that, Gmail and others already to a great job, have
> free pop3 access and are available wherever you have an Internet
> connection.  Why not just use these free services instead? If your only
> doing it so you can filter spam, use SpamAssassin with Evolution as an
> alternative (see http://krath.dk/linux/evolution_spamfilter/ for more
> info). 

why aren't mail systems like answering machines?  The argument for 
having your own mail server is that you are not subject to somebody 
else's terms of service.  is there an artificial distinction between 
business and nonbusiness use?  How much does it cost to have e-mail for 
your own domain?  How much do you value being ISP independent?  What if 
there's no way to put the services you want in place (i.e. own 
customized spam filters, darcs destination).

Yes, open relays are a problem.  But with an answering machine like a 
model, it wouldn't happen.  The mail server setup would ask what's its 
domain (or domains), how many e-mail addresses (and what are they), and 
if it should use a smart relay.

That's it.  That's about all a mail server needs to know.

yes, if someone tinkers under the hood, they are well and truly hosed. 
But that's okay because the vast majority of the users would just have 
that e-mail answering machine running without any problems.

remember, it's all in the user interface.  Make it simple, make it a 
predictable model and the vast majority of the users will choose that 
solution.  Those who don't, well we know who they are.  ;-)

---eric




From uid000 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:01:28 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:01:28 -0500
Subject: Networking with Windows Computers
In-Reply-To: <rcc3p1d9gl7vkb2ttel836fpkkh1hnet4r@4ax.com>
References: <b293p15kbm33e86nulbuvau2m98fr7ufgq@4ax.com>
	<fb4429d10512030638w3c371d6cxff0964bff1e4c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<rcc3p1d9gl7vkb2ttel836fpkkh1hnet4r@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512050501m320a689bv7ba267729c432400@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/05, Lee H. <spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:38:52 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >First off, I have to say that having every machine on your network
> >being dual-homed adds a lot of complexity.  If you're looking for
> >"newbie friendly," that way certainly isn't.
>
> Why do I always try to do things the hard way?!?  :)
Because that's how we learn!

> Of course, back when I was an ignorant, paranoid Windows newbie, it
> seemed like a simple, logical way for protection.  I realize now that it
> is redundant, but things have worked that way for years and I could
> never be bothered to change it.
Every dual homed box provides an additional attack vector into your
network.  The private network is only as secure as the machine that
connects it to the outside.  If you want to use dual-homing as a
security mechanism, then perhaps a good idea would be to set up a
linux box with multiple nics and have it do NAT.  Then the only way
into your private network is through that box.  There are lots of
linux projects that make this easy.  I like freesco, but smoothwall is
another good one.  There was one called the Linux Router Project, but
I think it is dead now.

>
> >The configuration file, /etc/interfaces, allows you to specify per
> >interface settings.  As far allowing filesharing over one nic but not
> >another, that probably will require blocking the appropriate smb ports
> >for that nic using iptables rules.
>
> I've obviously got a lot more reading to do.  I am using Samba but have
> no experience with it (smb = Samba ?), iptables, TCP wrappers.

smb is Server Message Block (I believe) and is the protocol (or
collection or protocols?) that windows machines use communicate with
each other for workgroup & domain networking.  They use a specific set
of ports, 137, 138, & 139 (>= win2k also use 445) to talk and listen
(does MS not read RFCs?).  Making these ports unavailable outside your
network via firewall, etc., means that your shared resources won't be
accessable.

> Unfortunately, reading this stuff makes my eyes glaze over after about
> two minutes.

It can be dry, but the Samba documentation is *so* much better than
when I first set up my PDC a few years ago.

Hope this helps!

--
If you reply to a message I posted to a mailing list,
and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.



From mikeraz at patch.com  Mon Dec  5 13:10:56 2005
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:10:56 -0800
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
In-Reply-To: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
Message-ID: <20051205131056.GA17020@patch.com>

janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net wrote:
> long time ago there was a conversation about moving from apt-get to aptitude.
> There's a problem when aptitude handles dependencies etc. a little differently
> than apt-get, and thus doing 'aptitude upgrade' would cause some packages to be
> removed, and some of them include packages I'm sure I need. (like OO.o2 for
> instance)
 
> I vaguely remember someone posting a trick that made this go away, but I can't
> seem to find it anymore. 

Aptitude does try to track what packages are installed as dependencies
and remove them when all dependencies are removed.  Are you _sure_ you
need the packages it proposes to remove?  Sometimes packages being
removed are selected due to version upgrades.  

You can control this, and other aptitude behaviors, through the Menu
choices Options->Dependency handling.  Other choices are UI options and
Miscelllaneous.  When you make the change here aptitude writes your
choices out in ~/.aptitude/conf

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
        http://www.patch.com/words/
  The fortune cookie says:
Fresco's Discovery:
	If you knew what you were doing you'd probably be bored.




From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:15:24 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:15:24 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>

Disaster! It turns out the LiveCD doesn't work on the PC in mention, so we
are back to square one.

On 12/4/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow! Somehow I managed to miss your page, but it looks very interesting.
> I'll point my friend to it and if he gives it a try I'll let you know how he
> gets on. He may choose not to try it anyway, as currently he's resigned to
> waiting until he can get his hands on another hard drive, but at least he
> will know that something like this is out there and that he's far from being
> on his own.
>
> On 12/2/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was in the same boat.  It took me a few weeks to figure it all out,
> > but when I finally got ubuntu and winxp dual booting from my hardware
> > fakeraid raid0, I wrote a howto on the wiki at
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto that explains what you need to do.
> >
> > If you have any trouble following it, you may want to reply here, but CC
> >
> > me as well so I don't miss it ( I got a LOT of email ).
> >
> > Sean Hammond wrote:
> > > So I know someone who has two drives in a SATA RAID 0 stripe, using a
> > > Silicon Image 3112A chip (which is fakeraid), and was wondering if
> > > anyone with Linux raid experience might be able to offer anything.
> > >
> > > He has Windows XP installed currently, and might be interested enough
> > to
> > > install Ubuntu if it can dual-boot, but has given up because the
> > > complications introduced by his RAID setup were too much.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to get Ubuntu to install dual-boot on a system like
> > this?
> > > Are there drivers available in the Ubuntu installer that support this
> > > chip? If so, exactly what would have to be done during install to get
> > > them running? He tells me the Ubuntu installer didn't work in the
> > normal
> > > way, I think maybe it didn't automatically detect his partitions.
> > >
> > > As I understand it we can't use Linux's software raid drvier 'md',
> > > because this would require us to delete the current 'fakeraid'
> > > partitions, destroying his data, and in any case there's no way
> > Windows
> > > is going to run on Linux partitions so dual-boot would be impossible.
> > >
> > > If there is no driver in the Ubuntu installer, then I think our
> > options are:
> > >
> > > 1. Install Ubuntu on some other, non-raid volume, then install the
> > > needed raid support, then migrate Ubuntu. Sounds pretty troublesome, I
> > > don't think he's willing to go to so much trouble.
> > >
> > > 2. Rebuild the Ubuntu installer with the necessary raid support, then
> > > install. I have no idea what would be required here or how to rebuild
> > > the Ubuntu installer.
> > >
> > > 3. Switch the bios to ATA, install Ubuntu, then install the raid
> > > support, then switch the BIOS back. Not sure if this is possible or
> > not.
> > > Would this work in the dual-boot situation?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
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From alves5 at cantv.net  Mon Dec  5 13:22:52 2005
From: alves5 at cantv.net (Douglas Alves)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:22:52 -0400
Subject: activate icons on lower panel
Message-ID: <1133788972.14030.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,

Can someone tell me how to activate the buttons on the lower panel in
Gnome?

I reverted to GDM after using KDM for some time.
 When I start any application, its corresponding button doesn't appear
on the lower panel, so I have to use Alt+Tab to switch between apps.





From mikeosmith at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:32:10 2005
From: mikeosmith at gmail.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:32:10 -0500
Subject: Inventoy solution?
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>

I wrote my own (currently rewriting it to not be specific to
IIS/MSSQL, although it will run on that in our currernt environment).
Many of the accounting programs out there have Inventory modules
(MAS90, Great Plains...), I'd look into that if your accounting system
has that functionality it would be worth the $$$. We just
needed/wanted some specific functionality. Sourceforge.net has several
solutions that may suit your needs
(http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=erp&type_of_search=soft) for ERP
and Inventory. Do you manufacture? Do you track raw material v.
fabricated? Do you track all inventory the same (ie. cycle counts,
inventory movement (Dock->Location->Production))? Do you barcode?
Receiving procedures? Do you have the influence to institute a
corporate inventory system? The list goes on.
I'd be happy to share what we've done (off-list). Our current system
is horribly inadequate (my first programming experience), and another
reason to rewrite it.

Good Luck,
Mike Smith



From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 13:37:37 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:37:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAT32 RW problems
In-Reply-To: <4394392B.50108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205133737.96277.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Saru,
Thanks for your support !

No I cannot write to this partition as root.
Ive tried your mounting entry without success.

I think that has occured after several trials to share
repertories with samba, within my home network.
So for a try,  I disabled samba once, but did not
succeed neither.

My initial fstab entry was the same as with my wife's
laptop under breezy, and she can normally R/W.

I did not try with ouinedoz because I never loginto
:-) but I'll have a look :-(.

sc

--- Sarangan Thuraisingham /
துரைசிங்கம்
சாரங்கன்
<sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:

> Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> > Hi steve, Hi everyone,
> > Actually, Ive tried every entry possible in my
> fstab,
> > including the one you told me...
> > 
> > And even as owner of the hard drive (with RW
> > capability showon in 'properties'), I cannot write
> > because ubuntu always says the file is mounted on
> a
> > read-only system file disk.
> > 
> > Maybe Ive a problem with the bios config...?
> > Ive got one disk with two OS (msouine & ubuntu),
> > Master HD, and another with data (FAT32), slave HD
> > 
> > sc
> 
> Just to double check:
>    1. This drive is internal right?(Obviously cos of
> the hdX naming)
>    2. Until yesterday you were able to write to it.
> So what did you do 
> yesterday? Did you install any patches of sort or
> did you change the 
> fstab file or something?
>    3. Can you write to partition as root?
> 
> May be you should try simpler mount options. Try:
>   mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,suid,umask=000
> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>   - Saru
> --------------------------------------------
> Sarangan Thuraisingham
> ECS, University of Southampton, UK
> 
> Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net
> 
>     Tux is the Best
>    Next is the Rest
> --------------------------------------------
> 
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> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 



		
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From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:41:05 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:11:05 +0530
Subject: activate icons on lower panel
In-Reply-To: <1133788972.14030.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133788972.14030.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512050541q72030fb6j536c29ef7bcce512@mail.gmail.com>

Is "Window List" panel applet still present on the bottom panel?

if not
add it by right-clicking the panel and clicking on
"Add to Panel..." from Menu.

and then add the "Window List" under "Desktop & Windows"

Revant
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From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:44:42 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:44:42 +0800
Subject: Inventoy solution?
In-Reply-To: <d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Mike Smith <mikeosmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wrote my own (currently rewriting it to not be specific to
> IIS/MSSQL, although it will run on that in our currernt environment).
> Many of the accounting programs out there have Inventory modules
> (MAS90, Great Plains...), I'd look into that if your accounting system
> has that functionality it would be worth the $$$. We just
> needed/wanted some specific functionality. Sourceforge.net has several
> solutions that may suit your needs
> (http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=erp&type_of_search=soft) for ERP
> and Inventory. Do you manufacture? Do you track raw material v.
> fabricated? Do you track all inventory the same (ie. cycle counts,
> inventory movement (Dock->Location->Production))? Do you barcode?
> Receiving procedures? Do you have the influence to institute a
> corporate inventory system? The list goes on.
> I'd be happy to share what we've done (off-list). Our current system
> is horribly inadequate (my first programming experience), and another
> reason to rewrite it.
>
> Good Luck,
> Mike Smith
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply. I'd love to do all that stuff to be honest but im
mostly concerned just to be able to track inventory. Do you have any
suggestions? But my first concern is how can I connect the warehouse to my
office where the server is?

Regards,

Charles
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 13:46:16 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:46:16 +0000
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
In-Reply-To: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <20051205134616.GC13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 01:15:48AM -0500, David Abrahams wrote:
> Is the LVM partitioning option of the Breezy installer known to
> actually work?  I have read all about LVM and I understand
> partitioning (having done many prior Linux installs), but I couldn't
> get the LVM options to do anything sensible.  Well, that's not quite
> true: I got the thing to put two physical partitions on my 30GB disk,
> one a 255MB /boot partition and the remaining space allocated to /,
> and two logical volumes soaking up the physical space on /, the
> smaller of which got allocated to /swap.  That's the default you get
> when you tell it to erase your 30GB disk and use LVM.

I would expect an auto partition on LVM to create nothing more than
/boot as a primary partition (because grub can't read LVM) possibly
another for swap (but it could, I think go into the LVM) and the rest
for / in the LVM, which, from what I can make out, is what it has done.
An auto partitioner is not able to know how you want your disk
partitioned beyond assuming a basic setup.

The two Breezy boxes that I have LVM on were originally partitioned for
Gentoo two or more years ago and I configured it manually in the Ubuntu
installer.

Here's 'fdisk -l' on the laptop I'm using now:
  Disk /dev/hda: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes
  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  
     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/hda1               1           6       48163+  83  Linux
  /dev/hda2               7          12       48195   83  Linux
  /dev/hda3              13         134      979965   82  Linux swap /
  Solaris
  /dev/hda4             135        7296    57528765    5  Extended
  /dev/hda5             135         170      289138+  83  Linux
  /dev/hda6             171         206      289138+  83  Linux
  /dev/hda7             207         692     3903763+  83  Linux
  /dev/hda8             693        1178     3903763+  83  Linux
  /dev/hda9            1179        2394     9767488+  8e  Linux LVM
  /dev/hda10           2395        3610     9767488+  8e  Linux LVM
  /dev/hda11           3611        4826     9767488+  8e  Linux LVM
  /dev/hda12           4827        6042     9767488+  8e  Linux LVM
  /dev/hda13           6043        7296    10072723+  8e  Linux LVM

I leave space for two /boot (hda1,hda2), two / (hda5,hda6) so that if
necessary, I can do a fresh install rather than dist-upgrade without
disturbing my previous install.  hda7,hda8 are a bit of spare space for
testing other distros.  Everything else goes in the LVM.

Here's 'lvscan':

  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/wartyhome' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/stuff' [25.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hoarytmp' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hoaryusr' [4.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hoarylocal' [500.00 MB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hoaryvar' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hoaryhome' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/hometmp' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/tmp' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/usr' [4.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/local' [500.00 MB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/var' [1.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/homecur' [2.00 GB] inherit
  ACTIVE            '/dev/vg/home' [2.00 GB] inherit

These were all originally setup from the installer, not manually.
(and I _still_ haven't tidied up some partitions since Warty :-O)
 
> However, I was unable to add logical volumes or modify the volume
> group: the partitioner would tell me there was no physical volume to
> operate on (!)  I'm pretty sure I want more than just two top level
> logical volumes.  Even though the installer does nothing smart about
> that by default, everything I've read makes plausible arguments that I
> ought to be separating /var, /home, /tmp, etc., from one another.

You first need to decide on and setup your physical partitions and
allocate the rest to type LVM (either one big LVM volume or split over
several partitions as I've done) all from the main manual installer
screen.  Once done, you go to the LVM option at the top (I'm describing
this from memory) and it will write the partitions to disk.  From there you
should be in a menu which will let you create volume groups and logical
volumes to go in them.  I'm only using one volume group at the moment
but you can set it up however you want.

Once you have your logical volumes created you should find yourself at
the main manual installer screen again where you can allocate the logical
volumes to the parts of the filesystem that you want.
 
> I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
> doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
> vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
> LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.

It definitely works (well, at least it has for me) but it's not the
most intuitive of interfaces and threw me a bit the first time I
used it.
 
> Can anyone help?  TIA,

HTH

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Mon Dec  5 13:53:14 2005
From: nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:53:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: MPEG -> DV converter?
In-Reply-To: <20051205015110.GA22786@teddy.fas.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512050748330.21503-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, stan wrote:

> I've got a MythTV box, and I'd like to edit some of the files
> it's captured and write them to DVD's
> 
> Looks like Kino is a decent video editor (but sugestions would
> be welcome her) But it aparently can only handle "DV" files.
> 
> Looking at nuvexport on the Myth box, this does not seem to eb
> one of the formates it supports. Can anyone recomend a converter?
> 
>

Hi,

I downloaded videotrans from 
http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Videotrans-Download-6982.htm.

It compiled with no problems on my Breezy and I haven't actually used
it yet but it sounds like what you're looking for.  

Kind regards,
Nancy
 

-- 
Nancy Rudins    nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nrudins/

Take a sad song and make it better.  (lennon/mccartney)





From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 13:58:42 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:58:42 +0000
Subject: Installing fonts
Message-ID: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

I have some fonts (mainly TTF) which I would like to install in Ubuntu 
(Gnome), from a CD. As they are not in a repository, I can't use Synaptic.

What is the correct way to install them, please? I have tried putting 
them in a "fonts" folder in my /home/keith directory, (which I thought 
was the correct way), but  nothing will access them.

I am the only user.

I can't find anything about this in the forum or mailing list archives. 
But that doesn't mean that it's not there!

Many thanks for any help.

Keith




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 13:50:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:50:53 -0500
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
Message-ID: <frodon.1zkl9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net Wrote: 
> Hey all,

> 

> long time ago there was a conversation about moving from apt-get to
> aptitude.

> There's a problem when aptitude handles dependencies etc. a little
> differently

> than apt-get, and thus doing 'aptitude upgrade' would cause some
> packages to be

> removed, and some of them include packages I'm sure I need. (like OO.o2
> for

> instance)

> 

> I vaguely remember someone posting a trick that made this go away, but
> I can't

> seem to find it anymore. I'm thinking it has to do with making aptitude
> to use

> the same list that apt-get uses, or something similar. Wonder if
> someone

> understands what I'm getting at? ;)

> 

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> 

> -- 

> Jaska

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-usersIs it the thread you are looking for ? :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37736


-- 
frodon



From alves5 at cantv.net  Mon Dec  5 14:16:44 2005
From: alves5 at cantv.net (Douglas Alves)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:16:44 -0400
Subject: activate icons on lower panel
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512050541q72030fb6j536c29ef7bcce512@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133788972.14030.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512050541q72030fb6j536c29ef7bcce512@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133792204.14030.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Great! Thanks. I wasn't aware of the Add-to-panel functionality.

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 19:11 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> Is "Window List" panel applet still present on the bottom panel?
> 
> if not
> add it by right-clicking the panel and clicking on 
> "Add to Panel..." from Menu.
> 
> and then add the "Window List" under "Desktop & Windows"
> 
> Revant
> 




From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 14:29:48 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<20051205134616.GC13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <ulkyz7h2b.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> writes:

> I would expect an auto partition on LVM to create nothing more than
> /boot as a primary partition (because grub can't read LVM) possibly
> another for swap (but it could, I think go into the LVM) and the rest
> for / in the LVM, which, from what I can make out, is what it has
> done.

Yes.

> An auto partitioner is not able to know how you want your disk
> partitioned beyond assuming a basic setup.

Of course it isn't.  But then one would expect to be able to further
dice up the logical volumes, right?  Or one would expect to be able to
set up LVM *completely* manually during the install process.  Neither
of those seem to work.

> The two Breezy boxes that I have LVM on were originally partitioned for
> Gentoo two or more years ago and I configured it manually in the Ubuntu
> installer.

Yes, that's great, but I don't want to have to install Gentoo just so
I can get the ubuntu installation I'm after.

>> However, I was unable to add logical volumes or modify the volume
>> group: the partitioner would tell me there was no physical volume to
>> operate on (!)  I'm pretty sure I want more than just two top level
>> logical volumes.  Even though the installer does nothing smart about
>> that by default, everything I've read makes plausible arguments that I
>> ought to be separating /var, /home, /tmp, etc., from one another.
>
> You first need to decide on and setup your physical partitions and
> allocate the rest to type LVM (either one big LVM volume or split over
> several partitions as I've done) all from the main manual installer
> screen.  

Yes, done.

> Once done, you go to the LVM option at the top (I'm describing
> this from memory) and it will write the partitions to disk.  From there you
> should be in a menu which will let you create volume groups and logical
> volumes to go in them.  

Yes, been there.  But as I said, when I try that, it tells me there's
no physical volume.

> I'm only using one volume group at the moment

That's all I want.

> but you can set it up however you want.
>
> Once you have your logical volumes created you should find yourself at
> the main manual installer screen again where you can allocate the logical
> volumes to the parts of the filesystem that you want.
>  
>> I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
>> doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
>> vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
>> LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.
>
> It definitely works (well, at least it has for me) 

Sorry, I should have said, I don't know if this can work after the
installation is all done on my physical boot volume.

> but it's not the most intuitive of interfaces and threw me a bit the
> first time I used it.
>  
>> Can anyone help?  TIA,
>
> HTH

Well, it's good to know someone's listening, but so far, I'm still
somewhat stymied.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From rafasch at uol.com.br  Mon Dec  5 14:46:19 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:46:19 -0200
Subject: Installing fonts
In-Reply-To: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1133793979.7569.2.camel@ubuntu>

Em Seg, 2005-12-05 às 13:58 +0000, Keith Powell escreveu:
> I have some fonts (mainly TTF) which I would like to install in Ubuntu 
> (Gnome), from a CD. As they are not in a repository, I can't use Synaptic.
> 
> What is the correct way to install them, please? I have tried putting 
> them in a "fonts" folder in my /home/keith directory, (which I thought 
> was the correct way), but  nothing will access them.
> 
> I am the only user.
> 
> I can't find anything about this in the forum or mailing list archives. 
> But that doesn't mean that it's not there!
> 
> Many thanks for any help.
> 
> Keith
> 

Hello ,

Create a .fonts directory in your home directory and copy all fonts into
this directory.
After that , go to this directory and run fc-cache.

Hope it helps.

-- 
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br>




From ashwani at gisil.com  Mon Dec  5 14:47:18 2005
From: ashwani at gisil.com (Ashwani Jain)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:17:18 +0530
Subject: Problem with /dev/dsp2
Message-ID: <1133794038.8418.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi

    I am using Ubuntu 5.10 on P4 with 512 MB RAM.  Problem I am facing
is when I use two SoundCards simultanously, first sound card (/dev/dsp1)
works good but the second one (/dev/dsp2) give big lot of noise in the
sound output  (some kind of sparking sound).  For this I am using two
creative soundcards (Sound Blaster Digital 4.1) and (SB Audigy 2 value).
Even I swapped both cards with each other (first in place of second and
second in place of first) but result was same, whichever soundcard is on
second slot that produces noise with sound output.  I also tried the
same of 3 different machines but no result.  If I use two soundcards
with windows, than it works fine on the same machine.

Please help.

Thanks & regards

Ashwani Jain

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From bassix at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 14:49:34 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:49:34 -0500
Subject: Installing fonts
In-Reply-To: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512050649x67f7f160xd9973da894146038@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Keith Powell <keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> I have some fonts (mainly TTF) which I would like to install in Ubuntu
> (Gnome), from a CD. As they are not in a repository, I can't use Synaptic.
>
> What is the correct way to install them, please? I have tried putting
> them in a "fonts" folder in my /home/keith directory, (which I thought
> was the correct way), but  nothing will access them.
>
> I am the only user.
>
> I can't find anything about this in the forum or mailing list archives.
> But that doesn't mean that it's not there!
>
> Many thanks for any help.
>
> Keith

Hi Keith,

I had the same question about a month ago. Rajesh on this list gave me
this advice, which worked for me (for True Type Fonts):

------------
Copy the fonts to the fonts folder /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and
run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig'.
Rajesh
------------

Hope that helps you too!

-Steve.
--
Firefox :: Rediscover the Web :: getfirefox.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 14:52:18 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:52:18 -0300
Subject: Installing fonts
In-Reply-To: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <720dc91f0512050652o4c8c18c0y25bba3c561915115@mail.gmail.com>

maybe try this:

http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto

I hope it works for you
--
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.

"Hell is repeating someone else's mistakes"
 (JPS)

[Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales o acentos para evitar
conflictos de lectura entre sistemas]

[En smilar contexto, evitemos enviar archivos .doc, .ppt o .xls.
Intentemos enviar solo formatos libres y mas livianos, como lo son
.txt, .html, .pdf, .odt, etc.]



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 14:52:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:52:07 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com> <djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'll host it.  I don't check the forums here much, you can contact me at
rcw at wolfteck dot com.


-- 
cilynx



From marius at pov.lt  Mon Dec  5 15:12:41 2005
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:12:41 +0200
Subject: Mutt + GNOME Terminal = occasional display garbling
In-Reply-To: <20051205114050.GB13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051203153926.GD26113@chastell.shot.pl>
	<20051205114050.GB13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051205151241.GA24720@fridge.pov.lt>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 11:40:50AM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 04:39:27PM +0100, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski wrote:
> > For example, when I go to my spam folder (full of badly encoded Korean
> > spam), I have to use uxterm - otherwise I'd have to navigate the folder
> > blindly. Given that uxterm works properly, my guess is that's a problem
> > with GNOME Terminal not coping with malformed UTF-8.
> > 
> > Any solutions to this, or at least can
> > anybody confirm I'm not seeing things?

I saw this today, from some malformed spam.

> I used Mutt with Gnome Terminal on both Warty and Hoary (and now
> Breezy since the weekend).  I couldn't read some of those Korean
> fonts but I never had a garbled screen that would stop me navigating.
> 
> I've just checked my Mutt config and I have:
> 
>     set charset="iso-8859-1"

You need not set the charset explicitly, Mutt can determine it from the
locale automatically.

And it should be UTF-8 in Ubuntu, unless you changed your locale
charset.

> and in the environment (if it makes any difference, as despite having
> used Linux for several years I'm quite ignorant about language settings,
> that and fonts):
> 
>     LANG=en_GB.UTF-8

which implies charset=UTF-8, not ISO-8859-13.

>     LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
> 
> What would be an appropriate setting for an English speaking person in
> the UK?

Marius Gedminas
-- 
This sentence contradicts itself -- no actually it doesn't.
                -- Douglas Hofstadter
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Mon Dec  5 15:45:27 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:45:27 +0100
Subject: Auto-complete gives me more
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512050321k2eecfbck7d76977a7e6063f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512050321k2eecfbck7d76977a7e6063f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133797528.27779.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On ma, 2005-12-05 at 16:51 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:

> Can anyone tell me, How can I change this more to less so that it can be
> <[tab][tab]> | less
> instead of
> <[tab][tab]> | more

export PAGER=less
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From usenet at go4more.de  Mon Dec  5 15:41:40 2005
From: usenet at go4more.de (Ralf M�rler)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:41:40 +0100
Subject: Inventoy solution?
References: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com><d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dn1n7h$945$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Charles,

"Charles Yao" <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306 at mail.gmail.com...
On 12/5/05, Mike Smith <mikeosmith at gmail.com> wrote:

[ snip Mike]

> But my first concern is how can I connect the warehouse to my
> office where the server is?

Via VPN-Tunnel with X.509 Certificates.
You can use IPCop (http://www.ipcop.org) to do this as net2net (Free and 
Linux based).
Then you have a secure way to transfer Data.

Ralf 






From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 15:48:56 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAT32 RW problems : solved
In-Reply-To: <4394392B.50108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205154856.78515.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


My problem is solved but I do not have an accurate
reasonwhy.
I finally booted in ouinedoz, made a checkdisk (there
was an error in a file format).
A reboot on breezy, and there we are, it works again,
I can R/W.

Maybe I should have made a kind fsck under breezy but
I had never done that, and not sure it is feasible on
a FAT sys.

Is there a linux tool dedicated to scan FAT partitions
?

Seb


--- Sarangan Thuraisingham /
துரைசிங்கம்
சாரங்கன்
<sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:

> Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> > Hi steve, Hi everyone,
> > Actually, Ive tried every entry possible in my
> fstab,
> > including the one you told me...
> > 
> > And even as owner of the hard drive (with RW
> > capability showon in 'properties'), I cannot write
> > because ubuntu always says the file is mounted on
> a
> > read-only system file disk.
> > 
> > Maybe Ive a problem with the bios config...?
> > Ive got one disk with two OS (msouine & ubuntu),
> > Master HD, and another with data (FAT32), slave HD
> > 
> > sc
> 
> Just to double check:
>    1. This drive is internal right?(Obviously cos of
> the hdX naming)
>    2. Until yesterday you were able to write to it.
> So what did you do 
> yesterday? Did you install any patches of sort or
> did you change the 
> fstab file or something?
>    3. Can you write to partition as root?
> 
> May be you should try simpler mount options. Try:
>   mount -t vfat -o defaults,user,suid,umask=000
> /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>   - Saru
> 


		
__________________________________ 
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs



From carlton.noles at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 14:44:55 2005
From: carlton.noles at gmail.com (Carlton)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:44:55 -0500
Subject: Synaptic problem uninstalling
Message-ID: <dn1jp8$sbu$1@sea.gmane.org>

I had installed a game, Chromium through synaptic. The game doesn't play 
well on my system. When I went to uninstall I get the error message 
'unable to allocate memory' synaptic did however, remove the data files. 
Now if I unmark it I get the same error as Synaptic tries to reinstall 
the datafiles. I don't want to use the game but I cannot uninstall it or 
reinstall it. Consequently anything I do wish to intall that is 
alphabetically after it doesn't go. How can I get around this?

Carlton




From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 15:55:13 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:55:13 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43936FD1.500@cox.net><amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4393B833.8000007@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <439462E1.3070105@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> You want to verify that all the common media types are handled by the
> right applications.
> 
> So does it now do what you wanted?

Sadly, no.  I haven't yet found examples of all video files, but Totem 
as a Firefox plugin cannot handle mpeg or mov files, although standalone 
it can play both.  With mov files, it plays a few frames then goes 
black.  If you then try to go back a page, the browser intermittently 
crashes.  With mpeg files, it does one of two things: (1) black page 
with popup: "Totem could not play 'fd://0' There were no decoders found to
handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins"
or (2) it plays a few frames then goes black.

> 
> AM




From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 15:55:46 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:55:46 +0000
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
In-Reply-To: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/12/05, David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
> doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
> vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
> LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.

No, it can be done. I always setup my ubuntu and debian boxes with lvm
(for everything apart from /boot ) through the installer.

If you do it yourself, it's reliable on both sarge and breezy - create
the PVs, then
go on to 'configure LVM' and ok 'write changes to disk', then you
create your VG and
LVs. Finally you format the LVs and specify mount points, it's pretty
straightforward.

ISTR the autosetup getting twisted though...


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:00:48 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:00:48 +0000
Subject: 'headless' install options
In-Reply-To: <mikeage.1zk4ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <3f1760511250130g7304d359y@mail.gmail.com>
	<1132911338.4386daea58f42@webmail.kingsley.co.za>
	<Joey.French.1z1u9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<mikeage.1zk4ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <3f1760512050800j2ee1520y@mail.gmail.com>

re: kickstart, google for 'preseed.cfg'.

Debian Sid  can enable an ssh server for the installer, see:

 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerNetworkConsole

On 05/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> *bump*
>
> Install via an SSH connection would also be nice -- although I'm not
> sure how feasable that is.
>
> What about some kind of redhat Kickstart like installation -- even if
> it it installed nothing besides for an ssh server and apt-get, the rest
> could easily be done.
>
>
> --
> mikeage
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:03:11 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:33:11 +0530
Subject: Auto-complete gives me more
In-Reply-To: <1133797528.27779.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <e06f2acd0512050321k2eecfbck7d76977a7e6063f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133797528.27779.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512050803r1204c19djfa66ba121e493c77@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis at kaarsemaker.net> wrote:
>
> export PAGER=less
> --
>

that didnt work
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From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 16:05:59 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:05:59 +0000
Subject: Installing fonts
In-Reply-To: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <43944792.30904@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43946567.7060207@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

Keith Powell wrote:

> I have some fonts (mainly TTF) which I would like to install in Ubuntu 
> (Gnome), from a CD. As they are not in a repository, I can't use 
> Synaptic.
>
> What is the correct way to install them, please? I have tried putting 
> them in a "fonts" folder in my /home/keith directory, (which I thought 
> was the correct way), but  nothing will access them.
>
> I am the only user.
>
> I can't find anything about this in the forum or mailing list 
> archives. But that doesn't mean that it's not there!   


Thanks, Rafael, Steve and Mauricio for your prompt and very helpful replies

The fonts are now installed and working.

I hadn't thought of looking in the wiki, just in the mailing list and 
forum :-(

Also, when I previously installed them and they didn't work, I put them 
in a fonts folder which wasn't a hidden one. Don't know if this makes 
any difference.

I am getting more and more impressed with Ubuntu!

Thanks again,

Keith



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:26:03 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:03 +0000
Subject: FAT32 RW problems : solved
In-Reply-To: <20051205154856.78515.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051205154856.78515.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43946A1B.3070505@gmail.com>

Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> My problem is solved but I do not have an accurate
> reasonwhy.
> I finally booted in ouinedoz, made a checkdisk (there
> was an error in a file format).
> A reboot on breezy, and there we are, it works again,
> I can R/W.
> 
> Maybe I should have made a kind fsck under breezy but
> I had never done that, and not sure it is feasible on
> a FAT sys.
> 
> Is there a linux tool dedicated to scan FAT partitions
> ?
> 
> Seb

Yes, you can use 'fsck' to check the file system and it supports FAT. I 
have used it. But the last time I used it, some files were split-up as 
they had looping chains or something. Basically, I ended up with a video 
that was broken in to bits. That file was not really important, so I 
didn't mind. But you can't say that for any important data though.

So I would strongly recommend that you work with a Linux file system for 
important data. May be you can keep you audio and video files in FAT. 
You can copy the needed data file to FAT, when you are going to load M$ 
Windoze.

But, then again I used the -a option which automatically fixes errors. I 
might have had better results if I chosen to fix it manually.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From cummings.james at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:29:31 2005
From: cummings.james at gmail.com (James Cummings)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:29:31 +0000
Subject: courier-imapd and PAM
Message-ID: <39da2baa0512050829k1fd980aap76356493eb14c683@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya,

As what I thought would be a straight-forward way to read my
localhost's mail in thunderbird I installed the courier-imapd package.

I am now able to telnet to localhost 143 and it connects to the imap
server.  So it is installed and working.

However, if (on the same machine) I try to connect with thunderbird it
refuses to let me log in.

As courier-imapd is set to defaultly use authpam, I'm guessing this
might have something to do with PAM?

Any suggestions what I have to do to get it up and running?  I want to
just use my normal user password to access the mail.

-James
--
James Cummings, Cummings dot James at GMail dot com

From robitaille at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:32:26 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:32:26 -0800
Subject: Kernel 2.6.15-5, udev and Inspiron 6000
In-Reply-To: <rmeb63-q5d.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <rmeb63-q5d.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512050832n345308d3m6b5226d8b7a2adb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/4/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> I upgraded the kernel last week.  Big mistake.
>
> 2.6.15 came with new initramfs-tools and udev (sans hotplug).  This
> coombination made my previous kernel (2.6.12-9) unworkable (because it
> seems to need hotplug).
>
> However, 2.6.15 has trouble with my SATA drive:

Have you tried 2.6.15-6?  It is also available in Dapper.  Maybe it
will solve your problems

And don't forget to file bug reports.  It is important to solve these
problems with 2.6.15 during the Dapper developental stage since Dapper
will ship with that version of the kernel.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 16:37:57 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:37:57 +0000
Subject: Synaptic problem uninstalling
In-Reply-To: <dn1jp8$sbu$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dn1jp8$sbu$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512050837t20c8a099i@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/12/05, Carlton <carlton.noles at gmail.com> wrote:
> I had installed a game, Chromium through synaptic. The game doesn't play
> well on my system. When I went to uninstall I get the error message
> 'unable to allocate memory' synaptic did however, remove the data files.
> Now if I unmark it I get the same error as Synaptic tries to reinstall
> the datafiles. I don't want to use the game but I cannot uninstall it or
> reinstall it. Consequently anything I do wish to intall that is
> alphabetically after it doesn't go. How can I get around this?
>
> Carlton

Maybe try from the shell prompt. Open a terminal and try:

sudo apt-get remove chromium

If that doesn't work, have you tried rebooting? Maybe the game, by not
playing well, ate up some memory that wasn't freed?

-Eamonn



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Mon Dec  5 16:47:35 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:47:35 +0100
Subject: Auto-complete gives me more
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512050803r1204c19djfa66ba121e493c77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512050321k2eecfbck7d76977a7e6063f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133797528.27779.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<e06f2acd0512050803r1204c19djfa66ba121e493c77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133801255.27779.8.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On ma, 2005-12-05 at 21:33 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/5/05, Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis at kaarsemaker.net> wrote:
>         export PAGER=less
>         --
> 
> that didnt work

Heh, my bad :)

From the manpage:
     page-completions (On)
              If set to On, readline uses an internal more-like pager to
display a screenful of possible completions at a time.

So there is no way to change it, you can onl disable it.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Mon Dec  5 16:49:57 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:49:57 +0100
Subject: No more ISA support?
Message-ID: <200512051749.57904.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

Hello!

I just installed Breezy on an Intel-BX board with a Pentium III 500 with 
an ISA Soundblaster AWE 64 soundcard.  After installation I had no sound.  
Loading the snd-sbawe64.ko module by hand did the trick.

As it worked with Hoary out of the box I wonder why this card was not 
auto-detected in Breezy?

Regards,
Burt

-- 
Kochen auf Oesterreichisch -> http://www.kochecke.at



From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 16:47:33 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:47:33 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> writes:

> On 05/12/05, David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
>> doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
>> vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
>> LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.
>
> No, it can be done. I always setup my ubuntu and debian boxes with lvm
> (for everything apart from /boot ) through the installer.
>
> If you do it yourself, it's reliable on both sarge and breezy - create
> the PVs, then
> go on to 'configure LVM' and ok 'write changes to disk', then you
> create your VG and
> LVs. Finally you format the LVs and specify mount points, it's pretty
> straightforward.

Well, that's what I tried to do, FWIW.  The disk had just hours before
been set up with a clean install of some prior Ubuntu version.  Now
I've done one install with the LVM options it would let me use; I
think I may be able to do a new clean install and get the control I
need.  There is -- at the very least -- a serious usability problem
when trying to make LVM work from where I started.  To whom do I
report this?

This is a side issue, but it surprises me that the installer doesn't
use LVM with a few logical volumes by _default_, since

 a) Partitioning the filesystem into separate volumes is a good idea

 b) LVM gives you the flexibility you need to resize the volumes
    should the default partitioning scheme need adjustment.

> ISTR the autosetup getting twisted though...

Not sure what you mean here.

Thanks again for your attention.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From greenpenguin.mailing at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:05:20 2005
From: greenpenguin.mailing at gmail.com (Joseph Seaton)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:05:20 +0000
Subject: Shareaza for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <200511241227.37857.rmeijer@internet.gr>
References: <bbda83370511240147x973b37exfa87e86f8760ac76@mail.gmail.com>
	<43858EC3.70907@mx.homelinux.org>
	<200511241227.37857.rmeijer@internet.gr>
Message-ID: <85ea5b170512050905y658a8cd1q4a7854d5ce94dce6@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/24/05, Raymond A. Meijer <rmeijer at internet.gr> wrote:
>
> On Thu 24 Nov 2005 11:58, Christian Eichert wrote:
>
> > > I would really like to know if there's a shareaza alternative for
> Linux.
> > > I don't want to execute it with wine (there are some issues).
> > > But I want a native client. I know that Shareaza connects to:
> > >
> > > - Gnutella
> > > - Gnutella 2
> > > - Edonkey 2000
> > > - BitTorrent
>
> > gtk-gnutella
>
> mldonkey
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

I tried sharaza through wine...
A week later I gave up :(.  Too slow.
Thanks for the P2P programs ppl :)
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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Mon Dec  5 17:08:07 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:08:07 +0000
Subject: Modem Problems
In-Reply-To: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <1133802487.9221.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 12:12 +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:


> 
> I am playing with Ubuntu at home on a fairly (1999) old Dell machine. This is my first attempt at Linux. On Saturday I bought an external (Microcom DeskPorte Home) serial port modem. To my surprise I was able to install it and get it working without any great difficulties: I used the standard System > Administration > Networking.
> 
> But while it is working, it is not working very well:
> 
> The only way I can find of getting the modem to connect is by following the System > Administration > Networking route. Surely I should be able to connect without root privileges? Surely I should be able to create an icon that says "Connect to Internet"? 

> Surely, if I tell Firefox to connect to an URL, it should have some way of initiating the connection and not just give me the informative message "www.x.y could not be found. Please check the name and try again"? 

That's almost certainly a DNS (Domain Name Server) lookup problem.

> 
> On a Debian site I read of the command pon and got temporarily excited as that seemed to be what I was looking for. But when I type pon (or sudo pon) I get:
> 
> /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'
> 
> which is not as helpful as I was hoping. (poff works fine).

It's a while since I did any serious dialup, but you probably need to
set a symbolic link between /dev/modem and your real modem device, or
edit the configuration (almost certainly ..../peers/provider) with the
real modem device name.  However, this gets messy fairly fast, as you
have probably already discovered...

> 
> The same helpful Debian article talks of editing the file /etc/ppp/peers/provider. I did this (setting "modem" to "ttyS0") but poor old pon tried and tried and tried to connect but achieved nothing. At least it did not give me that error message any more. I thought that I could reboot to get it to stop, but it started again as soon as the boot was complete. That will teach me to use Windows solutions on Linux.
> 
> I am sure that what I want to do is nothing extraordinary. In fact I am sure they can be done if I knew what how to do them:
> 
> I want to be able to connect to my service provider by clicking on an icon (or some similar convenient technique). This should not require root privileges.

The best solution I found was to use gnome-ppp, which is in the universe
repository.  This program allows easy setup of many of the subtle
settings for dialup, including DNS.  It installs as a program, but you
can then drag the menu item to the top panel to make a short cut that is
easy to find and use.

> 
> When Firefox or another program wants to connect, it should happen automatically. It would be nice if it asked me first.
> 
> Connections should time out and disconnect if there is no activity after a certain time.

Sorry, no ideas for that, though I'm sure it can be done.  (My dialup
was flat rate per month.)

Neil
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From umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be  Mon Dec  5 17:11:58 2005
From: umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be (Umut Tabak)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 18:11:58 +0100
Subject: g++ and Ubuntu 
Message-ID: <1133802718.439474dee460f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>


Hi,

g++ does not work under my brand new ubuntu system. I have used synaptic
manager to install g++ but still command not found messsage appears. Any
idea?

Regards

Umut TABAK




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 17:05:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:05:27 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
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AFAIK I ahve not been able to play all quicktime moveis reliably, so I
am not sure if I can help you there. 



MPEG though should not be problem with all the codecs installed. So
what happens when you try to play an mpeg file within FF?



AM


-- 
amohanty



From dave at mudsite.com  Mon Dec  5 17:34:12 2005
From: dave at mudsite.com (David Walker)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:34:12 -0500
Subject: Postfix + SASL random problems
Message-ID: <43947A14.1010804@mudsite.com>

So I am running Postfix/SASL on my server, and I am having what seems to 
be very sparatic issues with it.

Every now and again saslauthd just stops, I find nothing odd in the logs 
though.

My second issue, is just today I have been getting errors for SMTP 
authentication.  Being: could not connecto to saslauthd, and SASL PLAIN 
authentication failed.  Granted it is being sent over SSL so plain 
authentication should be fine, for what I need.

So I know that sasl/postfix runs in a chroot, and am not sure if this 
problem can just 'start acting up' or what but does anyone have any ideas?

--
Dave



From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:37:15 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:07:15 +0530
Subject: g++ and Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1133802718.439474dee460f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1133802718.439474dee460f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512050937q1ee3f41ub932341c86ec4e8a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Umut Tabak <umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be> wrote:
>
> I have used synaptic
> manager to install g++ but still command not found messsage appears. Any
> idea?
>

$ sudo apt-get install build-essential

Look for build-essential, it will install what you need.
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From magnus at therning.org  Mon Dec  5 17:38:25 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:38:25 +0000
Subject: g++ and Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1133802718.439474dee460f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1133802718.439474dee460f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <20051205173825.GC26493@die.therning.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:11:58PM +0100, Umut Tabak wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>g++ does not work under my brand new ubuntu system. I have used synaptic
>manager to install g++ but still command not found messsage appears. Any
>idea?

What's the output of 'dpkg -l g++'?

/M

-- 
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magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

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Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
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armored car to deliver credit-card information from someone living in
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From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:40:27 2005
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:10:27 +0530
Subject: Auto-complete gives me more
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No chance to tweak it? hope some one makes bash-less!
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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Mon Dec  5 17:49:37 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:49:37 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1133781901.9221.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133781901.9221.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 07:15 +0000, Mark Nottingham wrote:

Of Windows XP;

> Everything is so much easier to install and use.  If I want to install a program I just
> double-click on a file and the application is listed in the 'All Programs'
> menu. In Ubuntu, if I can work out *how* to install

By using the "Add Applications" tool to add ready packaged programs
perhaps?  At the bottom of the "Applications" menu.  If that doesn't
suffice, then clicking Advanced under Preferences starts up Synaptic,
the package manager, which allows you to add, remove and generally mess
with applications from many sources.

>  it I then have no idea
> where it has installed it to, and there is usually nothing listed in the
> menus so I can run it.

People are still sloppy about this;  the facility to add menu entries
automatically exists, but not all packages do it :(


> Maybe in a year or so I can make the switch permanent. Until then I'll have
> to hang on to XP I'm afraid.

I'd always suggest caution and steadiness about migrating.  I've run a
Desktop machine with Ubuntu on since Warty Warthog, more than a year
ago.  I've had an experimental Ubuntu Breezy partition on my laptop for
a month or so, which seems very stable, but I've only just started to
move my work accounts data from Quattro Pro on Windows to OpenOffice.org
Calc.  Even there I'm sticking to the Windows version until I'm certain
I've ported everything without disasters (and that my 'improvements' and
tweaks on the way are the good ideas they seemed to be).

After that I will re-write an improved job handling/client contact
application in OpenOffice.org Base (replacing a venerable Paradox
system)  Then, and only then, will I move to Ubuntu on the laptop.  (And
Windows will stay available until *long* after I've stopped using it
regularly.)

This may seem over cautious (it is, frankly), but I've heard horror
stories of keen advocates moving (people) over to OpenSource too fast.
Perhaps it is better advocacy to start by getting people to try Open
Source systems on smaller, *new* projects and to 'backport' working
systems later?

Neil
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From bassix at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:52:33 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:52:33 -0500
Subject: Modem Problems
In-Reply-To: <1133802487.9221.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <s3942e9c.098@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<1133802487.9221.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43947E61.4040006@gmail.com>

Gnome PPP is real easy to set up, and you won't need root privileges to 
run it. I think it has a "timeout after...<number of seconds>... of 
inactivity" as well.

I would also suggest installing Firestarter or some other firewall (or 
even just an iptables script). Firestarter is very user-friendly.

Also, if you activate the modem through the Network Admin panel, and 
don't de-activate before rebooting, the next time you boot up, it 
remembers the last state, so it will connect automatically. Just FYI... 
I found this out myself a while ago!

Also also :-) ... for "pon" to work properly, there a few config files 
you need to edit, for the connection (phone number, port) as well as for 
the authentication (user/password). I am not on my Ubuntu machine right 
now... I would have to look these up tonight if you want. However if you 
get Gnome PPP, you don't need to do any of this.

Hope that helps.

-Steve.



From xrdawson at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 18:08:49 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:08:49 -0800
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to install Ubuntu onto a live running system.  I know
that Gentoo permits something like this
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml, #6: Installing Gentoo
from an existing Linux distribution).  Can the same be done with
Ubuntu?   I have an old SuSE 6.3 system that I would like to upgrade. 
It does not have a floppy drive, nor does it have a CD ROM, but I do
have root access!  Can I install Ubuntu on this?  I've searched around
but haven't found much in the way of something like this.  Any
suggestions?

Also, I attended Jeff Waugh speaking here in Portland, OR last week
and podcast the event.  You can check it out here: 
http://plug.podasp.com/archive.html?podcast=107.  What a bonus that
Mark Shuttleworth was there!

Chris



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec  5 17:15:30 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:15:30 -0400
Subject: Wanted: simple mailer for laptop use
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Eric S. Johansson wrote:

> remember, it's all in the user interface.  Make it simple, make it a
> predictable model and the vast majority of the users will choose that
> solution.  Those who don't, well we know who they are.  ;-)

Oh yes!  To paraphrase Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and they is me" :-)
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec  5 17:13:34 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:13:34 -0400
Subject: Wanted: simple mailer for laptop use
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Robert Stoffers wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:51 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
>> 
>> After a fairly large amount of effort (mostly trying to find
>> instructions, and then getting the motivation to carry them out and
>> pick out what was relavent) I have an imap set up on my home LAN
>> getting pop3 from my remote webserver. I need to write down exactly
>> what I did in case I need to do it all again, and to help out anyone
>> who might be interested in doing the same thing.
> 
> I remember a piece of advice I once heard, it went something along the
> lines of:
> 
> "there is no need to run your own mail server for home use, open relays
> are bad mmmkay?"

There's all sorts of good reasons to run various servers.  In this case, an
imap server is _not_ a mail relay, and in any case it's not hard to prevent
mail misconfigurations from leaving open relays - if your firewall rules
deny connections to port 25 from external hosts, you're not likely to have
an open relay.

> There's a number of reasons for this, but accidentally running an open
> relay mail server due to some configuration error would be the biggest
> problem. Besides that, Gmail and others already to a great job, have
> free pop3 access and are available wherever you have an Internet
> connection. 

And they do a pretty pathetic job where you _don't_ have an Internet
connection.  

I like to run an IMAP server on my laptop which collects all mail from my
ISPs, and the mail is then available whenever I want it on either the
laptop or the desktop when I'm at work.
-- 
derek




From uid000 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 18:29:26 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:29:26 -0500
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512051029x6cc22ff1y14b2c2376f2f47a3@mail.gmail.com>

Philip Susi posted to the list a link to a wiki entry he created on
doing a chrooted install from the Ubuntu Live CD for the purposes of
installing to a SATA raid.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto

This doesn't 100% apply to your situation, since you don't have a CD,
but you may be able to  adapt it to work from your running Suse
installation.

No floppy AND no CD-ROM?  that really limits options.  Is this a
laptop?  If you could somehow get a floppy hooked up, even
temporarily, I think debian has a netinstall image that fits on a
floppy disk, that could probably be made to work.

On 12/5/05, Chris Dawson <xrdawson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to install Ubuntu onto a live running system.  I know
> that Gentoo permits something like this
> (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml, #6: Installing Gentoo
> from an existing Linux distribution).  Can the same be done with
> Ubuntu?   I have an old SuSE 6.3 system that I would like to upgrade.
> It does not have a floppy drive, nor does it have a CD ROM, but I do
> have root access!  Can I install Ubuntu on this?  I've searched around
> but haven't found much in the way of something like this.  Any
> suggestions?
>
> Also, I attended Jeff Waugh speaking here in Portland, OR last week
> and podcast the event.  You can check it out here:
> http://plug.podasp.com/archive.html?podcast=107.  What a bonus that
> Mark Shuttleworth was there!
>
> Chris
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.



From Eric.Kort at vai.org  Mon Dec  5 18:41:37 2005
From: Eric.Kort at vai.org (Kort, Eric)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:41:37 -0500
Subject: Version conflict with libgl1-mesa-dev
Message-ID: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0BB@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>

Hi.  I need to install libgl1-mesa-dev in order to enable OpenGL support
in my QT projects.  However when I try to install it on my Breezy system
(with Synaptic) I get the following irreconcilable version collision:

libgl1-mesa-dev:
  Depends: libgl1-mesa(=6.3.2-0ubuntu6) but
6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1 is to be installed

Is there an update to libgl1-mesa-dev that is compatible with the latest
libgl1-mesa, or can I hack my way around this dependency?  If I try to
force the prior version of libgl1-mesa, synaptic wants to install
ubuntu-desktop and x-window-system-core, so that does not appear to be
an option.

Thank you,
-Eric Kort
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From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 18:44:31 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:44:31 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
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	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
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David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 05/12/05, David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to get the feeling that this part of the installer
>>> doesn't really work and I should expect to have to use pvcreate,
>>> vgcreate, etc., from the command line, in order to really manage the
>>> LVM configuration.  But I have no idea whether this can actually work.
>>
>> No, it can be done. I always setup my ubuntu and debian boxes with lvm
>> (for everything apart from /boot ) through the installer.
>>
>> If you do it yourself, it's reliable on both sarge and breezy - create
>> the PVs, then
>> go on to 'configure LVM' and ok 'write changes to disk', then you
>> create your VG and
>> LVs. Finally you format the LVs and specify mount points, it's pretty
>> straightforward.
>
> Well, that's what I tried to do, FWIW.  The disk had just hours before
> been set up with a clean install of some prior Ubuntu version.  Now
> I've done one install with the LVM options it would let me use; I
> think I may be able to do a new clean install and get the control I
> need.  

Well, here we go.  It's a detailed experience report; eventually
things "work," but they work badly at best.  Who is in charge of
installer software and should see this info?

Erase entire disk and use LVM (that worked)

    IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
      #1 primary     255.0 MB      Z :-X   ext3   /boot
      #5 logical      28.8 GB        :^)   lvm
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
      #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
      #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap


Attempt to resize the 256 MB /boot partition it created
   (that's too big, right?).  

     "Write the changes to disk and resize the partition?" (Yes)

     "New partition size:" (20 MB)

   The first time I tried this, the message was something like:

     "For some reason, ... was unable to resize the partition"

   Really!  "For some reason!"  I am just walking through these
   steps again (from a clean reboot) and now at this point it
   instead tells me:

     "Too small size"

   Okay:

     "New partition size:" (50 MB)

   That seems to have worked.  What the heck, let's try to make it
   smaller again:

     "New partition size:" (20 MB)

   Heh, it seems to be working!  Now I'm left with 

    IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
      #1 primary      16.4 MB ext3 Z :-X   /boot
         pri/log     238.5 MB              FREE SPACE
      #5 logical      28.8 GB        :^)   lvm
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
      #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
      #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap

   Why do I have a 16.4 MB /boot now?  I don't know.

   Now attempt to resize #5 to soak up the remaining free space
   
     "New partition size:" (max)

   Hmm, no change.  What is up here?  Is there some rule that a given
   partition can't have more than a certain number of blocks, so the
   smallest blocks allowed on partition #5 are 256MB?

Let's start over: I select the disk and wipe its partition table.
Then I manage to set up something like this, which looks like a start:

    IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
      #1 primary      16.4 MB :-X ext3  /boot
         pri/log       6.0 GB :-X fat32 /windows
      #5 logical      24.0 GB :-X ext3  /  
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
      #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3     /
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
      #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap     swap
   
But it tells me that formatting of / failed.

Let's start over: I select "Erase entire disk and use LVM."  I'm back
to

    IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
      #1 primary     255.0 MB      Z :-X   ext3   /boot
      #5 logical      28.8 GB        :^)   lvm
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
      #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
      #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap


Now I want to dice up the logical / partition, so I "Configure the
Logical Volume Manager."  Do I have a Volume Group yet?  One way to
find out: select "Modify Volume Groups" and see if there's anything to
modify.  I select "Delete Volume Groups" and find there aren't any
(despite the display above which seems to indicate there's one called
"Ubuntu").  So I select "Create volume groups" and a make one in the
27.71 GB available (that's the only option).  I call it "MyVG."

Hmm, after several failures for reasons I don't remember I am now
able to create a logical volume.  I call it lv-var (I'm going to put
/var there).  Works!  OK, now I want to create one for /var/log.  I
call it lv-var/log.  Fails for cryptic reasons.  I switch to the 3rd
console (which it's only just now telling me about!) to find some
diagnostic info.  Nothing useful there at all; it just looks like the
result of some command-line to which wrong options were supplied.  I
figure it's the slash so I try again using lv-var-log.  Success! 

So now I have a bunch of LVs in my own volume group, and then the two
LVs set up by the installer are still hanging out there, apparently
attached to the nonexistent (?) "Ubuntu" VG.  It's hard to imagine
that it /really/ doesn't exist, because my previous install used just
those two LVs and it seemed to work.  What does that mean?
I guess I'm going to have to delete the ones that Ubuntu made for me (?)

Now that I've set up all my other LVs, it looks like the first one
created automatically by the installer is now empty, i.e. the 2nd line
below is now missing:

    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
      #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
    LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
      #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap

So I wonder if the space for my new LVs somehow came out of that?

Okay, trying to delete the two LVs above... It asks me what VG the LVs
are in, and of course there is no "Ubuntu" VG in the list so I don't
know how to delete them.  Hmm, back at the main list that line I said
was missing is now back!

All I can do is delete those partitions in the usual way.  Now they
are labelled FREE SPACE.  So my disk has apparently doubled in size!
Neat trick ;-)

Well I don't seem to have other options at this point, so I'm going to
"Finish partitioning and write changes to disk," hoping for the best.

Seems to be working.  I'm wondering if this would have gone better had
I called the VG I created "Ubuntu"?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com
















From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 18:53:12 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:53:12 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all of you who gave me some tips on how to get to my shell
script and make it run.  You were a big help.  :D

The goal of this shell script it to read all the 4 character length
palindromes from a text file, then sort them in decreasing order and
output them into another text file.   I am also suppose to count the
number of palindromes that are found and print that number to the
screen.  Then wait for the user to hit the enter key and then print
out the text with all the palindromes and end the program.

After much searching of the web, this is what I have so far and have tested:

$ grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile > palindromes.txt
and
$ cat palindromes.txt

both returned: "./palindromes.sh: line #: $: command not found"

I figured I would maybe add a "| sort -d -r" between "bigTextFile" and
 ">" and adding "$ wc -w palindromes [RET]" to print out the number of
palindromes, but I would like to get what I have now working first. 
Do I need to download anything to make grep and cat work?  Is my
thinking right on these commands?



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 18:57:47 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:57:47 +0000
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051205185747.GD13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 10:08:49AM -0800, Chris Dawson wrote:
> Is it possible to install Ubuntu onto a live running system.  I know
> that Gentoo permits something like this
> (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml, #6: Installing Gentoo
> from an existing Linux distribution).  Can the same be done with
> Ubuntu?   I have an old SuSE 6.3 system that I would like to upgrade. 
> It does not have a floppy drive, nor does it have a CD ROM, but I do
> have root access!  Can I install Ubuntu on this?  I've searched around
> but haven't found much in the way of something like this.  Any
> suggestions?

Check out the installation from hard disk.

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch04s04.html

I've done it a few times like this.  You put a kernel and initrd on your
hard disk and use the current boot loader to boot them.  I've only used
grub to do this (it's quite convenient as you can edit the line
manually at boot time) but it should work with lilo as well (if you edit
lilo.conf (have I got that right) before hand).

If you want a really scary installation, I know of someone who,
from a Debian system, (this is on a remote colocated server over
ssh), installed Gentoo under a chroot, and configured it.  Then he
rsyncd the chroot directory to / and rebooted.  Amazingly, it worked.
I'd've never of thought of it!

If you were feeling brave/reckless you could use debootstrap to acheive
the same effect.
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 19:01:33 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:01:33 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
	<upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <u64q34bci.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Seems to be working.  I'm wondering if this would have gone better had
> I called the VG I created "Ubuntu"?

Well, not so hot; I found myself out of space on /var during
installation.  I gave each of /var and /var/log 400MB, so that
surprises me.  Looks like I'm going to start over from scratch, and
try calling the VG "Ubuntu" this time. :(

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Mon Dec  5 19:07:18 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:07:18 -0800
Subject: Nightmare printing to Windows printers
Message-ID: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>

After two days of googling, studying various pages and how-tos, I've
reached an impasse.

I have two printers on my XP machine and I am now able to use them with
my Ubuntu machine with drivers recommended by
http://www.linuxprinting.org/

Sort of!

1.  Lexmark Z23, USB, driver=lxm3200 (tweaked).  Ubuntu can see it and
wake it up, but it doesn't attempt to print anything--it just spits out
a blank sheet of paper.

2.  Samsung ML-1440, USB, driver=gdi, set to default.  Ubuntu can use it
and I can print out all the test pages I want, but I can't print from
applications, e.g:  I can create a document in Open Office and hit print
but absolutely nothing happens.

In both cases, the printer properties will not retain information--I
have to re-enter username and password for each and every item I try to
print, even successive test pages.

I've browsed throught cups.conf, but haven't noticed anything I would
change without advice to do so.

As an aside, I read about browsing to  localhost:631  to access CUPS to
manage printers, but it keeps asking me for a username and password that
I've never had the opportunity to configure.  It won't accept either of
the usernames and passwords that I use.

Thanks again!

-- 

Lee H. in beautiful Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada!


You WILL be assimilated!

Of course, if you pay exhorbitant prices for brand name products, go to Starbucks for five-dollar cups of coffee, watch Fox sit-coms or use AOL, you probably already have been assimilated!  Wake up!!!



From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Mon Dec  5 19:26:22 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:26:22 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <E1EjAZo-0001uA-Un@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EjAZo-0001uA-Un@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <200512051426.23757.dcparris@matheteuo.org>

On Monday 05 December 2005 02:15 am, Mark Nottingham wrote:

<snip>
> Having said all that, I really like Ubuntu - the software and the
> philosophy. I ordered the CDs and I've been dishing them out to my friends.
> Maybe in a year or so I can make the switch permanent. Until then I'll have
> to hang on to XP I'm afraid.
>

I appreciate everyone's input on this.  I repeated this "poll" in another 
listserv and then wrote an anecdotal article about it:  The article got 
posted to Digg.com as well.

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49261/index.html

Again, thanks for your input.  Enjoy!

Don
-- 
Rev. DC Parris,   Pastor
Oakdale Christian Fellowship
http://matheteuo.org/
(704) 398-1506



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Mon Dec  5 19:09:37 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:09:37 +0000
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
In-Reply-To: <20051205185747.GD13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205185747.GD13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051205190937.GE13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:57:47PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> Check out the installation from hard disk.
> 
> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch04s04.html
> 
> I've done it a few times like this.  You put a kernel and initrd on your
> hard disk and use the current boot loader to boot them.  I've only used
> grub to do this (it's quite convenient as you can edit the line
> manually at boot time) but it should work with lilo as well (if you edit
> lilo.conf (have I got that right) before hand).

I should add, that there are two kernels and initrds that you can use.
One comes with network card drivers so that you can configure a
repositry and do the installation entirely over the net.  The others
have no network and will look for an iso image on your disk to install
from.  It should be reasonably obvious which is which from their
location on archive.ubuntu.com.

Oh, and if you do the iso method (you can name the iso anything you
like as long as its a proper Ubuntu install iso and its name ends in
iso) make sure you put it on a partition that you are not going to
use in the install.  You can reclaim the space later.
  
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ssweeny at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 19:14:33 2005
From: ssweeny at gmail.com (Scott Sweeny)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:14:33 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3aa20730512051114k1c63754ax1520a8d4e461c3de@mail.gmail.com>

> $ grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile > palindromes.txt
> and
> $ cat palindromes.txt
>
> both returned: "./palindromes.sh: line #: $: command not found"
>

In examples on the web the '$' is generally used to denote a line to
be typed at the command prompt.  Try removing the '$'s and run it.



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec  5 19:19:32 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:19:32 -0700
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
References: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051205185747.GD13705@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <003d01c5f9d0$d2971e40$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

1)
>> Is it possible to install Ubuntu onto a live running system.  I know
>> that Gentoo permits something like this
 <snip>
>>Can the same be done with
>> Ubuntu?   I have an old SuSE 6.3 system that I would like to upgrade.

 2)
> Check out the installation from hard disk.
 <snip>
> I've done it a few times like this.  You put a kernel and initrd on your
> hard disk and use the current boot loader to boot them.  I've only used

3)
> If you want a really scary installation, I know of someone who,
> from a Debian system, (this is on a remote colocated server over
> ssh), installed Gentoo under a chroot, and configured it.  Then he
> rsyncd the chroot directory to / and rebooted.  Amazingly, it worked.
> I'd've never of thought of it!

I never cease to be amazed at the number of methods people have used for 
installing Linux (and I am, of course, in complete awe of the Linux Gods and 
Goddesses with All Power who Make it Happen).

Rob 




From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec  5 19:27:40 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:27:40 +0100
Subject: chroot installation on live system + podcast of Jeff Waugh
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30512051008x2ceb52d3qde3c87ad14e89d76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439494AC.4040406@nordita.dk>

Chris Dawson wrote:
 > Is it possible to install Ubuntu onto a live running system.

Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromAnotherDistro

Regards,
Tobi



From kencubilo at grics.net  Mon Dec  5 19:29:21 2005
From: kencubilo at grics.net (ken cubilo)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:29:21 -0600
Subject: Question on mounting
Message-ID: <001501c5f9d2$3180cc20$0201a8c0@kce>

After about a 10 year break from linux, my son talked me into installing 
ubuntu on my system. This is one of the smoothest running distros I have 
seen. My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any 
suggestions on what to try here.

Thanks
Ken Cubilo 




From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 19:31:23 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:31:23 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the tip Scott!  It worked!  I then added in the sort:
grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile.txt| sort -d -r > palindromes.txt

It sorted things in the order that I wanted, but its not getting the
palindromes.  Its getting the whole text.  The example of the
palindrome search I only found in one place.  Does anyone know of a
better way?

On 12/5/05, Scott Sweeny <ssweeny at gmail.com> wrote:
> > $ grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile > palindromes.txt
> > and
> > $ cat palindromes.txt
> >
> > both returned: "./palindromes.sh: line #: $: command not found"
> >
>
> In examples on the web the '$' is generally used to denote a line to
> be typed at the command prompt.  Try removing the '$'s and run it.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From dcparris at matheteuo.org  Mon Dec  5 19:49:37 2005
From: dcparris at matheteuo.org (DC Parris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:49:37 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
Message-ID: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>

Did y'all see this interview with Fabio Marzocca?

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html

Enjoy!
Don
-- 
Rev. DC Parris,   Pastor
Oakdale Christian Fellowship
http://matheteuo.org/
(704) 398-1506



From whb at ceimaine.org  Mon Dec  5 19:30:09 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:30:09 -0500
Subject: Question on mounting
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9104F8@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

What do you mean by not working?  Cannot play DVD movie, or can't see
any CD?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:29 PM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Question on mounting
> 
> After about a 10 year break from linux, my son talked me into
installing
> ubuntu on my system. This is one of the smoothest running distros I
have
> seen. My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any
> suggestions on what to try here.
> 
> Thanks
> Ken Cubilo
> 
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 19:36:10 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:36:10 -0600
Subject: Totem error message
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.1zkuja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43936FD1.500@cox.net><amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4393B833.8000007@cox.net><amohanty.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439462E1.3070105@cox.net>
	<amohanty.1zkuja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <439496AA.10705@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> AFAIK I ahve not been able to play all quicktime moveis reliably, so I
> am not sure if I can help you there. 

> 
> MPEG though should not be problem with all the codecs installed. So
> what happens when you try to play an mpeg file within FF?

Last sentence in previous post.

Note that Totem plays fine *outside* of  FF and only appears to 
misbehave when run as plugin.  So, there is some ugly interaction 
between Totem and FF and not a problem with codecs.

> AM





From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 19:33:44 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:33:44 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
	<upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<u64q34bci.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <uzmnf2vaf.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:

> David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:
>
>> Seems to be working.  I'm wondering if this would have gone better had
>> I called the VG I created "Ubuntu"?
>
> Well, not so hot; I found myself out of space on /var during
> installation.  I gave each of /var and /var/log 400MB, so that
> surprises me.  Looks like I'm going to start over from scratch, and
> try calling the VG "Ubuntu" this time. :(

Okay, it won't let me create a volume group, because "No usable
physical volumes found.  No physical volumes (i.e. partitions) were
found in your system.  All physical volumes may already be in use.
You may also need to load some required kernel modules or re-partition
the hard drives."

Remembering that I had seen that message before when I had already
created a VG, I went to "Delete volume groups" and found that, unlike
the last time, the Ubuntu group is now there!  Sheesh.

Trying again with a bigger /var.   Well I don't think I used up
all the space on my VG with my LVs, so I'll try to resize the /usr
partition to "max"...

       [!] Partition disks

       Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition
       /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-usr1 - Invalid argument.  This means Linux
       won't know about any changes you made to
       /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-usr1 until you reboot - so you shouldn't
       mount it or use it in any way before rebooting.

       ERROR!!!

Heh.  You can't win.

Let's delete /usr with LVM configuration and re-make it.  Okay, now I
have used up the whole VG (I think).

Now I select "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk"... the
screen goes blank for a moment, and then reappears just as it was!

Okay, I <Go Back> and try again.  Same result :(.  Maybe it was that
ERROR!!! that is hurting me.  Well, it advised a reboot before
attempting to use something, so I'll ctrl-alt-del... and start again.
Hopefully I will have created some useful partitions and won't have to
go through this exercise again...
 
-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From kencubilo at grics.net  Mon Dec  5 19:41:11 2005
From: kencubilo at grics.net (ken cubilo)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:41:11 -0600
Subject: Question on mounting
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9104F8@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c5f9d3$d88c0d80$0201a8c0@kce>

Hi I should have been more specific. The drive is detected ok but when I try 
to use totem i get the message "cannot mount dev"

Ken Cubilo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will H. Backman" <whb at ceimaine.org>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Question on mounting


What do you mean by not working?  Cannot play DVD movie, or can't see
any CD?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:29 PM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Question on mounting
>
> After about a 10 year break from linux, my son talked me into
installing
> ubuntu on my system. This is one of the smoothest running distros I
have
> seen. My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any
> suggestions on what to try here.
>
> Thanks
> Ken Cubilo
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

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From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 19:42:06 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 01:12:06 +0530
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512051142t61d58a8dwc2c1cbc962483a0d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Rachael C. <amaroq3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> $ grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile > palindromes.txt
> and
> $ cat palindromes.txt
>

cat is working, If grep isn't putting characters in palindromes.txt,
cat is just showing you a blank file

see the output of grep without adding
"> filename.txt"

if you see no output, you added no output to filename.txt and are expecting
to see some output

--revant--

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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Mon Dec  5 19:42:07 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:42:07 +0000
Subject: Question on mounting
In-Reply-To: <001501c5f9d2$3180cc20$0201a8c0@kce>
References: <001501c5f9d2$3180cc20$0201a8c0@kce>
Message-ID: <1133811728.9221.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 13:29 -0600, ken cubilo wrote:
> My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any 
> suggestions on what to try here.

I'd strongly recommend starting with
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats which gives the legal and
technical information about this kind of problem.

After applying the information there, you *may* find you have slow or
jerky DVD playback.  This will probably be to do with DMA (Direct Memory
Access) not being active for your DVD drive.  It is easy to fix - I
can't remember where the information is for now...

Neil
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From dan at dennedy.org  Mon Dec  5 19:23:32 2005
From: dan at dennedy.org (Dan Dennedy)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:23:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: MPEG -> DV converter?
References: <20051205015110.GA22786@teddy.fas.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20051205T195253-700@post.gmane.org>

stan <stanb <at> panix.com> writes:

> I've got a MythTV box, and I'd like to edit some of the files
> it's captured and write them to DVD's
> 
> Looks like Kino is a decent video editor (but sugestions would
> be welcome her) But it aparently can only handle "DV" files.
> 
> Looking at nuvexport on the Myth box, this does not seem to eb
> one of the formates it supports. Can anyone recomend a converter?
> 

While it is possible to use Kino for this, it may not be what you want
because conversions will take a long time and use a lot of disk space.
First, you will have to create heavy (~27.5 Mb/s) DV files, edit, and
then convert to MPEG-2 (~8 Mb/s). If all you want to do is minor cleanup
editing, try Avidemux2 (http://www.avidemux.org/), which can read the
native nuv files. Avidemux2 has good DVD MPEG output as well. If you
need a little more advanced editing, then consider Kino. The newest
release of Kino, 0.8.0, can import now to automate the conversion to
DV. For older versions, you will have to manually use mencoder to convert
the nuv to some intermediate format that ffmpeg likes, and then use
ffmpeg to make DV. Here is Kino's shell script used for the import
using such approach:

http://cvs.df.net/viewcvs.py/kino/kino/scripts/import/media.sh

p.s. I am not subscribed to this list.





From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec  5 19:57:08 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:57:08 +0100
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>

 > thanks for the tip Scott!  It worked!  I then added in the sort:
 > grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile.txt| sort -d -r > 
palindromes.txt
 >
 > It sorted things in the order that I wanted, but its not getting the
 > palindromes.  Its getting the whole text.  The example of the
 > palindrome search I only found in one place.  Does anyone know of a
 > better way?

Try

   grep -o "\([a-z]\)\([a-z]\)\2\1" bigTextFile.txt

I don't know how to handle mixed upper and lower case palindromes like
"Anna" though...


Regards,
Tobi



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 19:45:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:45:27 -0500
Subject: Totem error message
References: <4390FC2E.1020401@cox.net><amohanty.1zg7va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439329C7.6050305@cox.net><amohanty.1zjaza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43936FD1.500@cox.net><amohanty.1zjk8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4393B833.8000007@cox.net><amohanty.1zjx7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<439462E1.3070105@cox.net><amohanty.1zkuja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<439496AA.10705@cox.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zl1xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Unfortunately I am not guru enough to be able to tell you what is wrong
there. I would suggest starting a new thread with the problem
explicitely outlined in the title.



HTH

AM


-- 
amohanty



From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 20:06:38 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:06:38 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
	<upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<u64q34bci.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uzmnf2vaf.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <ufyp72trl.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

David Abrahams <dave at boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Now I select "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk"... the
> screen goes blank for a moment, and then reappears just as it was!
>
> Okay, I <Go Back> and try again.  Same result :(.  Maybe it was that
> ERROR!!! that is hurting me.  Well, it advised a reboot before
> attempting to use something, so I'll ctrl-alt-del... and start again.
> Hopefully I will have created some useful partitions and won't have to
> go through this exercise again...

Unfortunately, I did have to go through the whole exercise again.  I
think the behavior mentioned above is what you get when some of the
LVs are not assigned a filesystem type -- I must've overlooked that
mistake at the time, but it would have been useful to get some kind of
diagnostic.  I'm now over the first part of the install process (the
part that uses the CD).  I'd like it if all this information could be
used to help improve the usability of the installer somehow.  Who can
make a difference in that and ought to be looking at this thread?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From whb at ceimaine.org  Mon Dec  5 20:20:11 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:20:11 -0500
Subject: Question on mounting
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A91052E@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

Are you able to access data CDs from the nautilus file manager?  Is
totem the only application that has trouble?  What is you place a music
CD in the drive?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 PM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: Question on mounting
> 
> Hi I should have been more specific. The drive is detected ok but when
I
> try
> to use totem i get the message "cannot mount dev"
> 
> Ken Cubilo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will H. Backman" <whb at ceimaine.org>
> To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Question on mounting
> 
> 
> What do you mean by not working?  Cannot play DVD movie, or can't see
> any CD?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> > bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:29 PM
> > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Question on mounting
> >
> > After about a 10 year break from linux, my son talked me into
> installing
> > ubuntu on my system. This is one of the smoothest running distros I
> have
> > seen. My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any
> > suggestions on what to try here.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ken Cubilo
> >
> >
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From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec  5 20:23:05 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:23:05 +0000
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
In-Reply-To: <uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
	<upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <20051205202304.GA9126@riva.ucam.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 01:44:31PM -0500, David Abrahams wrote:
> Well, here we go.  It's a detailed experience report; eventually
> things "work," but they work badly at best.  Who is in charge of
> installer software and should see this info?

That would be me, but unfortunately I don't have time to keep up with
all of ubuntu-users@ and I only saw this mail by dumb luck. Could you
please file this as a bug report in Bugzilla, on the component
'partman-lvm'? Please also attach /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages,
and /var/log/partman from the installer (once you've finished the
install, these files live in /var/log/installer/ instead).

I'll answer a few of the comments inline here:

>     IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
>       #1 primary      16.4 MB ext3 Z :-X   /boot
>          pri/log     238.5 MB              FREE SPACE
>       #5 logical      28.8 GB        :^)   lvm
>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
>       #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
>       #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap
> 
>    Why do I have a 16.4 MB /boot now?  I don't know.
> 
>    Now attempt to resize #5 to soak up the remaining free space
>    
>      "New partition size:" (max)
> 
>    Hmm, no change.  What is up here?  Is there some rule that a given
>    partition can't have more than a certain number of blocks, so the
>    smallest blocks allowed on partition #5 are 256MB?

No, it's just that partitions are only ever resized by moving the end of
the partition, not by moving the start. Using extra space before the
partition you're trying to resize would involve moving all the data on
the partition, which could break bootloaders expecting to find things at
particular offsets in the disk, cannot really be made resilient against
failures part-way through the process (at least not without lots of
extra free space to work with), and is generally a really bad idea.

> Let's start over: I select the disk and wipe its partition table.
> Then I manage to set up something like this, which looks like a start:
> 
>     IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
>       #1 primary      16.4 MB :-X ext3  /boot
>          pri/log       6.0 GB :-X fat32 /windows
>       #5 logical      24.0 GB :-X ext3  /  
>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
>       #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3     /
>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
>       #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap     swap

Two root filesystems there. Exciting ...

> Hmm, after several failures for reasons I don't remember I am now
> able to create a logical volume.  I call it lv-var (I'm going to put
> /var there).  Works!  OK, now I want to create one for /var/log.  I
> call it lv-var/log.  Fails for cryptic reasons.  I switch to the 3rd
> console (which it's only just now telling me about!) to find some
> diagnostic info.  Nothing useful there at all; it just looks like the
> result of some command-line to which wrong options were supplied.  I
> figure it's the slash so I try again using lv-var-log.  Success! 

Mm, yes, definitely some extra validation needed there. This is:

  http://bugs.debian.org/254630

> So now I have a bunch of LVs in my own volume group, and then the two
> LVs set up by the installer are still hanging out there, apparently
> attached to the nonexistent (?) "Ubuntu" VG.  It's hard to imagine
> that it /really/ doesn't exist, because my previous install used just
> those two LVs and it seemed to work.  What does that mean?
> I guess I'm going to have to delete the ones that Ubuntu made for me (?)

Yes, the integration with partman here is really nasty and confusing.
:-(

> Seems to be working.  I'm wondering if this would have gone better had
> I called the VG I created "Ubuntu"?

I think it would work better if you deleted all the vestiges of the VGs
and LVs created by the autopartitioning tools before starting to create
your own. (I'm not going to try to defend this UI as being sensible,
though.)

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 20:26:42 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:26:42 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <4394A282.9010809@cox.net>

DC Parris wrote:
> Did y'all see this interview with Fabio Marzocca?
> 
> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html
> 
> Enjoy!
> Don

Thanks. I just read this and, based on it, I installed Baobab.  I 
received the following error within Synaptic:

E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Internal error opening cache (3). Please report.

I'm not sure if this is a Baobab problem or a Synaptic problem.






From plabonte at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 20:26:58 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:26:58 -0500
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
Message-ID: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>

I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can compile
using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?

sudo apt-get intall ????

Can someone help?

Thanks.
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From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  5 20:30:40 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:30:40 +0000
Subject: font, screen and window speeds
Message-ID: <4394A370.1070706@ntlworld.com>

FYI,

After I installed xfonts-terminus, I was a bit disappointed by the
continuing slowness of gnome-terminal (it can take several seconds to
page-down in 'less'), so I did some testing with various fonts and
terminals. The simple test was running 'time /bin/ls -FC' in a directory
(ext3 filesystem) containing many files.

> /bin/ls -FC | wc
wc: standard input:5808: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
wc: standard input:6448: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
  17702   18361  337455

Aside1: This is actually (arrogantly) single-column 'ls' format
Aside2: Is it 'ls' or 'wc' which doesn't understand LANG=en_GB.UTF-8?

All window tests were run with LINES=67 and COLUMNS=171. I usually run
screen inside gnome-terminal, so that is what I started with.  I used
'script' to record the output for all window tests.

table key:
  'screen1000' means screen with 1000 line history
  'screen0' means screen with a zero line history

    terminal                font         real       user      sys
gnome-terminal+screen1000  default     3m5.512s   0m1.449s  0m0.444s
gnome-terminal+screen1000  fixed-12    2m39.633s  0m1.423s  0m0.497s
gnome-terminal+screen1000  terminus-12 2m36.019s  0m1.485s  0m0.609s
gnome-terminal+screen0     terminus-12 2m39.099s  0m1.441s  0m0.430s
gnome-terminal only        default     0m33.006s  0m1.470s  0m0.432s
gnome-terminal only        terminus-12 0m26.408s  0m1.468s  0m0.447s
gnome-terminal only        terminus-12 0m22.170s  0m1.471s  0m0.554s
gnome-terminal only        terminus-12 0m23.776s  0m1.447s  0m0.459s
gnome-terminal only        fixed-12    0m26.170s  0m1.443s  0m0.504s
gnome-terminal only        fixed-12    0m22.601s  0m1.458s  0m0.439s
xterm only                 fixed-10?   0m17.485s  0m1.460s  0m0.598s
gnome-terminal only        fixed-10?   0m31.969s  0m1.501s  0m0.853s
gnome-terminal only        fixed-11    0m23.655s  0m1.483s  0m0.542s
gnome-terminal only        fixed-9     0m19.811s  0m1.434s  0m0.473s
console, no 'script'       default     0m58.178s  0m1.530s  0m55.741s

xterm note:
 The default xterm font looked like fixed-10, the window was smaller
than the default gnome-terminal. I couldnt be bothered to find the
correct font-description strings to test any other than the default font.

gnome-terminal notes:
 The font was set via Edit > Curent profile.  With gnome terminal,
fixed-10 looked wrong - bold and wider then size 12 fonts - in fact too
wide for the screen (1600x1200).
 fixed-11 was less wide than fixed-10 and was not bold.
 fixed-9 was much smaller, barely readable.

console note:
 The console output was single-column, other output was double-column

Running the test outside 'script' made no noticable change to the times.
There was some timing fluctuations (seen in the repeated entries) due to
other system activities.  Allow for a fuzz factor of several seconds.

Conclusions:
1) Screen is very slow displaying large amounts of data, the font choice
has a relatively small effect if you are using screen.
2) Having a large history (scrollback buffer) is not the problem.
3) Without screen Terminus is approximately as fast as the (ugly) fixed
font and faster than the default for gnome-terminal.
4) xterm seems slightly (20%?) faster than gnome-terminal.
5) The console (virtual terminal) is surprisingly slow.
6) Some font sizes are 'fudged' (fixed-10 and fixed-9).
7) Changing fonts while using vim confuses it completely.

HTH,
Toby



From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 20:32:58 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:32:58 +0100
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
In-Reply-To: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426905810512051232g27c2feacl4414b87b19d36a84@mail.gmail.com>

apt-cache search ...

On 12/5/05, Phil <plabonte at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can compile
> using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?
>
> sudo apt-get intall ????
>
> Can someone help?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
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From Eric.Kort at vai.org  Mon Dec  5 20:35:52 2005
From: Eric.Kort at vai.org (Kort, Eric)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:35:52 -0500
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
Message-ID: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0C0@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>

build-essential

Cheers,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:27 PM
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?

I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can
compile using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?

sudo apt-get intall ???? 

Can someone help?

Thanks.
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 20:34:52 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:34:52 -0600
Subject: Totem/Firefox plugin mishandles mpeg and mov files
Message-ID: <4394A46C.4010405@cox.net>

In Breezy, Totem as a Firefox plugin cannot handle mpeg or mov files, 
although standalone it can play both.  With mov files, it plays a few 
frames then goes black.  If you then try to go back a page, the browser 
intermittently crashes.  With mpeg files, it does one of two things:

(1) black page with popup: "Totem could not play 'fd://0' There were no 
decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the 
corresponding plugins"

or (2) it plays a few frames then goes black.





From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Mon Dec  5 20:35:50 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:35:50 +0100
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
In-Reply-To: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133814950.8119.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can
> compile using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?
> 
> sudo apt-get intall ???? 
> 
> Can someone help?


The package "build-essential" will give you the basic/general purpose
tools.
You can also install "gnome-core-devel" which will help a lot when
compiling Gnome applications specifically.


HTH

--
Vince




From brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com  Mon Dec  5 20:36:16 2005
From: brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com (Brant Fitzsimmons)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:36:16 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <4394A4C0.2060809@bfcomputerconsulting.com>

DC Parris wrote:

>Did y'all see this interview with Fabio Marzocca?
>
>http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html
>
>Enjoy!
>Don
>  
>

I like the part where his "boy of 20 and a girl of 10" turn into "2
sons". ;-)

-- 
Brant Fitzsimmons
brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Strange times are these in which we live when the old and the
young are taught falsehoods in the schools of learning. And the one
man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Dec  1 04:36:02 2005
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:36:02 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438E7DB2.50408@dmiyu.org>

Michael Beattie wrote:
> That may be so, but why are you using dapper instead of breezy anyway?

    More important questions are:

a: why is he crossposting what looks to be a troll to both mailing lists and...

b: why are people replying to what looks like a troll to both mailing lists?  :)

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       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec  1 11:46:33 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:46:33 +0200
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <s38efebc.028@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 01 December 2005 >>>
On 12/1/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
>
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many people
> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's no
> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> have completely replaced Windows.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
> Don
> *

On one of my machines only.




From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Dec  1 16:43:07 2005
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:43:07 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <47c363-5mk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E7DB2.50408@dmiyu.org> <47c363-5mk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <438F281B.3000005@dmiyu.org>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Why is a legitimate question a troll?  Sid & Dapper _are_ both routinely
> "testy" (I prefer not to say "broken" - it's not as if it shouldn't be
> expected).  Asking which is less broken may be naive but there's no reason
> to assume it's malicious.  And asking of only _one_ of these groups would
> be sure to get a biased response.

    Because the best trolls are legitimate questions.  For example, ahem...
meeeemeeeee memememeee...

    Which is better, Emacs or vi?

    It's a legitimate question but you know the hell that fires up whenever it
is mentioned.  Imagine it crossposted between a vim mailing list, emacs list
and XEMacs mailing list (just for giggles).  Sure, asking on any one list
would give a biased answer but asking on all at once where the biases clash is
a surefire way to start some serious crap; the very definition of a troll.

    Ubuntu and Debian are like that in a way.  Not saying either user base is
as staunchly set in their ways but there has been some friction between the
projects.

-- 
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       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From adefreeman at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 17:39:17 2005
From: adefreeman at yahoo.com (adel wollemas)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:39:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Multiple hard drives
Message-ID: <20051201173917.6473.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 I am totally new to Linux and Ubuntu. But guess what, my first installation went smoothly and I am even writing this email from Ubuntu.

My problem is that I have three hard drives: 1. Maxtor SATA drive 80 GB. running Winxp professional. 2. Western Digital standard ide 40 GB running Windows 2000 professional. 3. Last but not the least is Maxtor standard ide 10 GB running UBUNTU. 

The only way I can boot UBUNTU is if I set it as the first choice on the boot sequence in Bios. If it is not the first choice, then I get the option of winxp or win2k. My guess is that grub is not seeing the other two os. Can somebody help me? 

Thanks for your help

Adel


		
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From gidkill at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 07:27:35 2005
From: gidkill at yahoo.com (Gideon Killion)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:27:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: problems with wpa_supplicant using ipw2200
Message-ID: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello. I'm new to Ubuntu. I have an HP dv1000
installed with Breezy and I'm having trouble getting
my wireless card working with WPA.

If there's anyone who has successfully done this, or
would be willing to look over my config and output,
and offer suggestions, I'd be grateful.

The laptop appears to have an ipw2200 card as eth1. My
wireless network is configured for WPA-PSK & AES. 

I downloaded and installed the wpa_supplicant package
and have the wpa_supplicant.conf file configured as
follows:
---------------------------------------------
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
network={
        ssid="bastard_net"
        proto=WPA
        key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
        pairwise=CCMP
        group=CCMP
      
psk=d430996c495e2801a74b6ac1c232147203cc17a5c16b024c4239dfec9e8809a2
        priority=0
}
--------------------------------------------------

Here is what happens when I try to run wpa_supplicant:

root at lucky:/etc# wpa_supplicant -ieth1
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dipw -d

Initializing interface 'eth1' conf
'/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'ipw'
Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' ->
'/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
ctrl_interface='/var/run/wpa_supplicant'
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
Priority group 0
   id=0 ssid='bastard_net'
Initializing interface (2) 'eth1'
EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED
EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE
EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE
EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED
EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0
EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0
wpa_driver_ipw_init is called
ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported
SIOCGIWRANGE: too old (short) data - assuming WPA is
not supported
Own MAC address: 00:15:00:17:04:16
wpa_driver_ipw_set_wpa: enabled=1
wpa_driver_ipw_set_key: alg=none key_idx=0 set_tx=0
seq_len=0 key_len=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_key: alg=none key_idx=1 set_tx=0
seq_len=0 key_len=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_key: alg=none key_idx=2 set_tx=0
seq_len=0 key_len=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_key: alg=none key_idx=3 set_tx=0
seq_len=0 key_len=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_countermeasures: enabled=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=1
Setting scan request: 0 sec 100000 usec
Wireless event: cmd=0x8b06 len=8
RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
RTM_NEWLINK, IFLA_IFNAME: Interface 'eth1' added
State: DISCONNECTED -> SCANNING
Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID)
Scan timeout - try to get results
Received 0 bytes of scan results (0 BSSes)
Scan results: 0
Selecting BSS from priority group 0
No suitable AP found.
Setting scan request: 5 sec 0 usec
State: SCANNING -> DISCONNECTED
No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0
EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_wpa: enabled=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=0
wpa_driver_ipw_set_countermeasures: enabled=0
No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
<CTRL C>
root at lucky:/etc#

_______________________________________
  
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Dec  1 16:43:07 2005
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:43:07 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu's unstable vs Debian unstable
In-Reply-To: <47c363-5mk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <857993970511300718v6379a261tceedcdc707fcee54@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4b4435a0511300858r1ce59767gb311b603cf613337@mail.gmail.com>
	<438E7DB2.50408@dmiyu.org> <47c363-5mk.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <438F281B.3000005@dmiyu.org>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Why is a legitimate question a troll?  Sid & Dapper _are_ both routinely
> "testy" (I prefer not to say "broken" - it's not as if it shouldn't be
> expected).  Asking which is less broken may be naive but there's no reason
> to assume it's malicious.  And asking of only _one_ of these groups would
> be sure to get a biased response.

    Because the best trolls are legitimate questions.  For example, ahem...
meeeemeeeee memememeee...

    Which is better, Emacs or vi?

    It's a legitimate question but you know the hell that fires up whenever it
is mentioned.  Imagine it crossposted between a vim mailing list, emacs list
and XEMacs mailing list (just for giggles).  Sure, asking on any one list
would give a biased answer but asking on all at once where the biases clash is
a surefire way to start some serious crap; the very definition of a troll.

    Ubuntu and Debian are like that in a way.  Not saying either user base is
as staunchly set in their ways but there has been some friction between the
projects.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From Eric.Kort at vai.org  Mon Dec  5 20:49:37 2005
From: Eric.Kort at vai.org (Kort, Eric)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:37 -0500
Subject: Can't connect to vncserver on Ubuntu Breezy box
Message-ID: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0C1@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>

(I cross posted this on the vnc list also)

Hello...I am running vncserver on my Ubuntu Linux box (fresh install,
Breezy Badger), and trying to connect to it from my windows XP box, but
have not been able to (I can connect to other linux and windows-based
VNC servers from this box on my network).  I am also not able to connect
to this server from other Linux boxes.

I CAN connect to this server from the localhost.  From my windows box,
however, I do not even get a log-in prompt.  Vncviewer 3.x states
"Failed to connect to server" and vncviewer 4 (set to use only 3.3
protocol) states "unable to connect to host: Connection refused
(10061)".  I can find no trace of VNC errors in the system log.

Here are the responses to the troubleshooting steps:

>Can you "ping" the VNC Server from the Viewer machine?
YES, and vice-versa

>Are the Viewer and Server on the same LAN?
YES

>Are you sure the VNC Server is running?
YES.  telnet-ing my vncserver on port 5900 yields response of RFB
003.003

>Can you get to the VNC password prompt?
No.

>Is the VNC Server restricting connections?
No.

Can someone advise me what to try next?

Thank you,
-Eric Kort

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From learyryan at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 20:49:44 2005
From: learyryan at gmail.com (Ryan Leary)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:44 -0500
Subject: (no subject)
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From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 20:50:27 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:50:27 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <s38efebc.028@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s38efebc.028@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <426905810512051250i7e93198bxc50779f5d9f25fe8@mail.gmail.com>

I have, even have my mother switched to ubuntu.

On 12/1/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
>
> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited
> EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
>
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> >>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 01 December 2005 >>>
> On 12/1/05, DC Parris <dcparris at matheteuo.org> wrote:
> >
> > This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> people
> > have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not
> > replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's
> no
> > need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who
> > have completely replaced Windows.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your time.
> > Don
> > *
>
> On one of my machines only.
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 20:54:11 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:54:11 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, it looks like it was going for parts of words that where
palindrome-like so I got some palindromes, but I need whole words.  Am
trying to tweak it so I get whole words that are palindromes (also
using -i to ignore case), but not having luck yet.  What does -o mean?

On 12/5/05, Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> wrote:
>  > thanks for the tip Scott!  It worked!  I then added in the sort:
>  > grep -w -e '\(.\)\(.\).\2\1' bigTextFile.txt| sort -d -r >
> palindromes.txt
>  >
>  > It sorted things in the order that I wanted, but its not getting the
>  > palindromes.  Its getting the whole text.  The example of the
>  > palindrome search I only found in one place.  Does anyone know of a
>  > better way?
>
> Try
>
>    grep -o "\([a-z]\)\([a-z]\)\2\1" bigTextFile.txt
>
> I don't know how to handle mixed upper and lower case palindromes like
> "Anna" though...
>
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec  5 20:54:51 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:54:51 -0500
Subject: Multiple hard drives
In-Reply-To: <20051201173917.6473.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201173917.6473.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4394A91B.8060109@cfl.rr.com>

It sounds like you got grub installed on the third hard disk, so you 
have to have your bios set to boot from there or it doesn't load grub. 
If you have your bios boot from the disks with windows, then grub does 
not enter the picture.

You should be able to configure grub by editing your menu.lst so that it 
can boot the windows installations, and leave your bios set to boot the 
third drive.  Then you can choose at boot time which of the 3 systems 
you want grub to load.  I know that this is possible, but I'd have to 
spend some time playing with it and reading the man pages to do it, so I 
can't describe to you how off the top of my head.



adel wollemas wrote:
>  I am totally new to Linux and Ubuntu. But guess what, my first 
> installation went smoothly and I am even writing this email from Ubuntu.
> 
> My problem is that I have three hard drives: 1. Maxtor SATA drive 80 GB. 
> running Winxp professional. 2. Western Digital standard ide 40 GB 
> running Windows 2000 professional. 3. Last but not the least is Maxtor 
> standard ide 10 GB running UBUNTU.
> 
> The only way I can boot UBUNTU is if I set it as the first choice on the 
> boot sequence in Bios. If it is not the first choice, then I get the 
> option of winxp or win2k. My guess is that grub is not seeing the other 
> two os. Can somebody help me?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Adel
> 
> Yahoo! DSL 
> <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=37474/*http://promo.yahoo.com/broadband/ 
>  > Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 20:40:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:40:49 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com> <djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


cilynx Wrote: 
> I'll host it.  I don't check the forums here much, you can contact me at
> rcw at wolfteck dot com.



i don't know what is rcw.... i'm trying to contact with you so people
can download the 2 kernel versions (optimized for p4 and optimiced for
p4 with hypertheading) or the source.... all of them without the n60
patch and adapted for breezy.


-- 
djkork



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 20:58:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:58:58 -0500
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
References: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133814950.8119.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


'checkinstall' will create .deb package and is easier to uninstall with
synaptic seach synaptic for it


-- 
teaker1s



From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu  Mon Dec  5 21:08:09 2005
From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (crimsun at fungus.sh.nu)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:08:09 -0800
Subject: problems with wpa_supplicant using ipw2200
In-Reply-To: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051205210809.GA15473@fungus.sh.nu>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 11:27:35PM -0800, Gideon Killion wrote:
> The laptop appears to have an ipw2200 card as eth1. My
> wireless network is configured for WPA-PSK & AES. 

The version of wpasupplicant shipped in Breezy must use TKIP. Configure
your AP to use it, then remove the proto=, key_mgmt=, pairwise=, and
group= options from your network stanza and restart wpasupplicant.

(Also, next time you may wish to sanitise your PSK info prior. ;-)
-- 
Daniel T. Chen            crimsun at ubuntu.com
GPG key:   www.sh.nu/~crimsun/pubkey.gpg.asc
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From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:10:13 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:10:13 +0000
Subject: problems with wpa_supplicant using ipw2200
In-Reply-To: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512051310h3c0bd430m@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/12/05, Gideon Killion <gidkill at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello. I'm new to Ubuntu. I have an HP dv1000
> installed with Breezy and I'm having trouble getting
> my wireless card working with WPA.

It looks like the supplicant isn't seeing you network. Set your AP to
broadcast its SSID if it isn't already.

> ---------------------------------------------
> ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
> ctrl_interface_group=0
> eapol_version=1
> ap_scan=1
> fast_reauth=1
> network={
>         ssid="bastard_net"
>         proto=WPA
>         key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
>         pairwise=CCMP
>         group=CCMP
>
change those to say

        proto=RSN WPA
        key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
        pairwise=CCMP TKIP
        group=CCMP TKIP

it'll give your supplicant more options when negotiated. Once it's in,
you can see
what you actually have with:

sudo wpa_cli
(run 'status')

I wrote a walkthrough for ipw2100 at:

  http://number9.hellooperator.net/articles/2005/11/21/fun-with-wpa_supplicant

it looks like you've got a sensible config, but it might be useful.
--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec  5 21:10:43 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:10:43 +0100
Subject: help
In-Reply-To: <200511261038.44504.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
References: <200511261038.44504.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
Message-ID: <20051205221043.87306c85.albi@scii.nl>

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:38:44 -0500
gmzimmer at michonline.net wrote:

> I am new to Ubuntu. I've installed 5.10 i386 cd and it looks
> wonderful. However I have used kde in the  past and with gnome, I
> haven't found where to plug in my dial-up phone number and DNS
> numbers so I can get on-line. 

enable the universe + multiverse
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch02.html#addinguniverse
and install kppp

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:14:55 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:14:55 -0500
Subject: Can't connect to vncserver on Ubuntu Breezy box
In-Reply-To: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0C1@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>
References: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0C1@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512051314t298744eax202db9b40467c178@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Kort, Eric <Eric.Kort at vai.org> wrote:
>
> Hello...I am running vncserver on my Ubuntu Linux box (fresh install,
> Breezy Badger), and trying to connect to it from my windows XP box, but
> have not been able to (I can connect to other linux and windows-based
> VNC servers from this box on my network).  I am also not able to connect
> to this server from other Linux boxes.
>
> I CAN connect to this server from the localhost.  From my windows box,
> however, I do not even get a log-in prompt.  Vncviewer 3.x states
> "Failed to connect to server" and vncviewer 4 (set to use only 3.3
> protocol) states "unable to connect to host: Connection refused
> (10061)".  I can find no trace of VNC errors in the system log.


>>Are you sure the VNC Server is running?
>YES.  telnet-ing my vncserver on port 5900 yields response of RFB
>003.003


It sounds to me as though your firewall is blocking the VNC ports.

VNC uses 5901 for VNC 1 and 5907 for VNC 7.

What VNC port have you set up with vncserver and have you tried to see if
you can telnet to that port from an outside box?

What do you get when you run
sudo /sbin/iptables --list


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 21:13:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:13:49 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Albert Wrote: 
> DC Parris wrote:

> > Did y'all see this interview with Fabio Marzocca?

> > 

> > http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html

> > 

> > Enjoy!

> > Don

> 

> Thanks. I just read this and, based on it, I installed Baobab.  I 

> received the following error within Synaptic:

> 

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Could not open file  - open (2 No such file or directory)

> E: Internal error opening cache (3). Please report.

> 

> I'm not sure if this is a Baobab problem or a Synaptic problem.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users





This is a Synaptic problem.. Anyway, Baobab's version in Breezy
repository is very old. The new one is in Dapper but you can safely
install it from the deb package (I have built it on Breezy) from the
web site: http://www.gnome.org/projects/baobab


-- 
saltydog



From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:24:47 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:24:47 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051324qb427be6ub2aaff832c4d4b24@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, here is where I am at with this:
grep -i -w -e '\([a-z]\)\([a-z]\)\2\1' tester.txt| sort -d -r > palindromes.txt

I used the tester.txt to get a better idea of what is happening.  This
code can find all the 4 character long palidromes if they are one word
per line, but not if they are all on one line with spaces between
then.  It also misses the palindrome if it has a capital letter in it
when the rest are lowercase.  Anyone have an idea of how to fix this??

Thanks in advance!



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:27:00 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:27:00 +0000
Subject: problems with wpa_supplicant using ipw2200
In-Reply-To: <20051205210809.GA15473@fungus.sh.nu>
References: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20051205210809.GA15473@fungus.sh.nu>
Message-ID: <3f1760512051327t42a258daj@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/12/05, crimsun at fungus.sh.nu <crimsun at fungus.sh.nu> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 11:27:35PM -0800, Gideon Killion wrote:
> > The laptop appears to have an ipw2200 card as eth1. My
> > wireless network is configured for WPA-PSK & AES.
>
> The version of wpasupplicant shipped in Breezy must use TKIP. Configure
> your AP to use it, then remove the proto=, key_mgmt=, pairwise=, and
> group= options from your network stanza and restart wpasupplicant.

Don't think so.
wpa_supplicant doesnt' ship with breezy at all. I'm using the one from
universe, and:

> status
bssid=********************
ssid=*******************
pairwise_cipher=CCMP
group_cipher=CCMP
key_mgmt=WPA2-PSK
wpa_state=COMPLETED
ip_address=**************
Supplicant PAE state=AUTHENTICATED
suppPortStatus=Authorized
EAP state=SUCCESS

CCMP is supplicantese for AES, no?

( This is with a linksys wrt54g using WPA2 )

> (Also, next time you may wish to sanitise your PSK info prior. ;-)

Hey, if you are prepared to drive to the guys house and sit on his lawn,
you earned the bandwidth :)

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From dontodd at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:37:28 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:37:28 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051324qb427be6ub2aaff832c4d4b24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051053x31ffa309q4db99e41363bba92@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051324qb427be6ub2aaff832c4d4b24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512051337t4862a1eu1df336881869d64d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Rachael C. <amaroq3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, here is where I am at with this:
> grep -i -w -e '\([a-z]\)\([a-z]\)\2\1' tester.txt| sort -d -r > palindromes.txt
>
> I used the tester.txt to get a better idea of what is happening.  This
> code can find all the 4 character long palidromes if they are one word
> per line, but not if they are all on one line with spaces between
> then.  It also misses the palindrome if it has a capital letter in it
> when the rest are lowercase.  Anyone have an idea of how to fix this??
>
> Thanks in advance!

I'm coming in late on this, but doesn't [A-Za-z] take care of case?

Todd



From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec  5 21:39:30 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:39:30 +0100
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>

 > Thanks, it looks like it was going for parts of words that where
 > palindrome-like so I got some palindromes, but I need whole words.  Am
 > trying to tweak it so I get whole words that are palindromes (also
 > using -i to ignore case), but not having luck yet.

Right, so an improved version would be

   grep -o -E "(^|\ )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )" bigTextFile.txt

which will only match 4 letter palindromes that follow beginning of a
line or a whitespace and are themselves followed by end of a line, a
period, or a whitespace.

Having "[A-Za-z]" instead of just "[a-z]", this regex will match "anna",
"AnnA", "aNNa", and "ANNA", but not for instance "Anna", and the -i
switch won't help you with that I'm afraid.

Have you thought about using Perl or Python for this task? To my
understanding, these languages would be a good fit here.

 > What does -o mean?

By default, grep prints out whole lines containing the matching regex,
the -o switch makes it print out only the matching part of the line.
Hint: man grep

Regards,
Tobi



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:45:25 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:45:25 +0200
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
Message-ID: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.

http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png




From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:51:57 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:51:57 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>

ok, hmm to work around not being able to find Anna, can I change all
the text in bigTextFile to lowercase, and then do the search?  If so,
how would I go about doing that?

On 12/5/05, Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> wrote:
>  > Thanks, it looks like it was going for parts of words that where
>  > palindrome-like so I got some palindromes, but I need whole words.  Am
>  > trying to tweak it so I get whole words that are palindromes (also
>  > using -i to ignore case), but not having luck yet.
>
> Right, so an improved version would be
>
>    grep -o -E "(^|\ )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )" bigTextFile.txt
>
> which will only match 4 letter palindromes that follow beginning of a
> line or a whitespace and are themselves followed by end of a line, a
> period, or a whitespace.
>
> Having "[A-Za-z]" instead of just "[a-z]", this regex will match "anna",
> "AnnA", "aNNa", and "ANNA", but not for instance "Anna", and the -i
> switch won't help you with that I'm afraid.
>
> Have you thought about using Perl or Python for this task? To my
> understanding, these languages would be a good fit here.
>
>  > What does -o mean?
>
> By default, grep prints out whole lines containing the matching regex,
> the -o switch makes it print out only the matching part of the line.
> Hint: man grep
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 21:52:42 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:52:42 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051352o6b6b3b82ta39fd787bcfc7b21@mail.gmail.com>

btw . .thanks for giving me a hand with this.  I really appricate it it. :)

On 12/5/05, Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> wrote:
>  > Thanks, it looks like it was going for parts of words that where
>  > palindrome-like so I got some palindromes, but I need whole words.  Am
>  > trying to tweak it so I get whole words that are palindromes (also
>  > using -i to ignore case), but not having luck yet.
>
> Right, so an improved version would be
>
>    grep -o -E "(^|\ )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )" bigTextFile.txt
>
> which will only match 4 letter palindromes that follow beginning of a
> line or a whitespace and are themselves followed by end of a line, a
> period, or a whitespace.
>
> Having "[A-Za-z]" instead of just "[a-z]", this regex will match "anna",
> "AnnA", "aNNa", and "ANNA", but not for instance "Anna", and the -i
> switch won't help you with that I'm afraid.
>
> Have you thought about using Perl or Python for this task? To my
> understanding, these languages would be a good fit here.
>
>  > What does -o mean?
>
> By default, grep prints out whole lines containing the matching regex,
> the -o switch makes it print out only the matching part of the line.
> Hint: man grep
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From dontodd at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 22:07:50 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:07:50 -0500
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512051407j1e5ebca9w4b6daa77e30cce95@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Rachael C. <amaroq3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, hmm to work around not being able to find Anna, can I change all
> the text in bigTextFile to lowercase, and then do the search?  If so,
> how would I go about doing that?

man tr

tr [set1] [set2]



From panos.laganakos at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 22:09:36 2005
From: panos.laganakos at gmail.com (Panos Laganakos)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:09:36 +0200
Subject: Metacity Windows arranging
Message-ID: <cea328d10512051409u16f7687eh593a0daca0524ce1@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to have metacity arrange windows that are open
vertically/horizontically etc?

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Mon Dec  5 22:10:56 2005
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:10:56 -0500
Subject: [breezy install] LVM option?
References: <uvey46pd7.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<3f1760512050755t6308ff3eh@mail.gmail.com>
	<upsob4hju.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<uk6ej4c4w.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
	<20051205202304.GA9126@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <u1x0r2o0f.fsf@boost-consulting.com>

Colin Watson <cjwatson at ubuntu.com> writes:

> On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 01:44:31PM -0500, David Abrahams wrote:
>> Well, here we go.  It's a detailed experience report; eventually
>> things "work," but they work badly at best.  Who is in charge of
>> installer software and should see this info?
>
> That would be me, 

Hi!

> but unfortunately I don't have time to keep up with all of
> ubuntu-users@ and I only saw this mail by dumb luck. Could you
> please file this as a bug report in Bugzilla, on the component
> 'partman-lvm'?

Sure; where's ubuntu's Bugzilla?  Or is it GNU's Bugzilla?  Or...?
Would it be sufficient to post a link to this thread
(http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=%3cuvey46pd7.fsf%40boost%2dconsulting.com%3e)
in order to expose the details?  I don't think it makes sense to try
to rewrite this experience report.

> Please also attach /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages,
> and /var/log/partman from the installer (once you've finished the
> install, these files live in /var/log/installer/ instead).

Well, I could do that, but since I've restarted that process so many
times with a clean wipe of the filesystem each time, I don't know if
you'll find much of a trail there.

>
> I'll answer a few of the comments inline here:
>
>>     IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
>>       #1 primary      16.4 MB ext3 Z :-X   /boot
>>          pri/log     238.5 MB              FREE SPACE
>>       #5 logical      28.8 GB        :^)   lvm
>>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
>>       #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3              /
>>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
>>       #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap              swap
>> 
>>    Why do I have a 16.4 MB /boot now?  I don't know.
>> 
>>    Now attempt to resize #5 to soak up the remaining free space
>>    
>>      "New partition size:" (max)
>> 
>>    Hmm, no change.  What is up here?  Is there some rule that a given
>>    partition can't have more than a certain number of blocks, so the
>>    smallest blocks allowed on partition #5 are 256MB?
>
> No, it's just that partitions are only ever resized by moving the end of
> the partition, not by moving the start. Using extra space before the
> partition you're trying to resize would involve moving all the data on
> the partition, which could break bootloaders expecting to find things at
> particular offsets in the disk, cannot really be made resilient against
> failures part-way through the process (at least not without lots of
> extra free space to work with), and is generally a really bad idea.

Heh, okay.  Looks like I'm going to wipe everything yet again so I can
avoid squandering 200 MB on the /boot partition.  This time I'll try
to scrap both partitions and see if I can create the /boot partition
from scratch.

>> Let's start over: I select the disk and wipe its partition table.
>> Then I manage to set up something like this, which looks like a start:
>> 
>>     IDE1 master (hda) - 30.0 GB
>>       #1 primary      16.4 MB :-X ext3  /boot
>>          pri/log       6.0 GB :-X fat32 /windows
>>       #5 logical      24.0 GB :-X ext3  /  
>>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV root - 28.5 GB Unknown
>>       #1 28.5 GB      :-X  ext3     /
>>     LVM VG Ubuntu, LV swap_1 - 1.2 GB Unknown
>>       #1  1.2 GB      :-X  swap     swap
>
> Two root filesystems there. Exciting ...
>
>> Hmm, after several failures for reasons I don't remember I am now
>> able to create a logical volume.  I call it lv-var (I'm going to put
>> /var there).  Works!  OK, now I want to create one for /var/log.  I
>> call it lv-var/log.  Fails for cryptic reasons.  I switch to the 3rd
>> console (which it's only just now telling me about!) to find some
>> diagnostic info.  Nothing useful there at all; it just looks like the
>> result of some command-line to which wrong options were supplied.  I
>> figure it's the slash so I try again using lv-var-log.  Success! 
>
> Mm, yes, definitely some extra validation needed there. This is:
>
>   http://bugs.debian.org/254630
>
>> So now I have a bunch of LVs in my own volume group, and then the two
>> LVs set up by the installer are still hanging out there, apparently
>> attached to the nonexistent (?) "Ubuntu" VG.  It's hard to imagine
>> that it /really/ doesn't exist, because my previous install used just
>> those two LVs and it seemed to work.  What does that mean?
>> I guess I'm going to have to delete the ones that Ubuntu made for me (?)
>
> Yes, the integration with partman here is really nasty and confusing.
> :-(

partman is a detail that's hidden from me, as the user.  I only see
the results of the poor integration :(

>> Seems to be working.  I'm wondering if this would have gone better had
>> I called the VG I created "Ubuntu"?
>
> I think it would work better if you deleted all the vestiges of the VGs
> and LVs created by the autopartitioning tools before starting to create
> your own. (I'm not going to try to defend this UI as being sensible,
> though.)

Should I risk a fresh install?  This is getting to be a 2-day
operation...

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 22:04:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:04:36 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com> <djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <cilynx.1zl8fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi,



Sorry for the confusion.  I was just trying to give you my email
address without giving it to the address harvestors.  You can write me
at rcw at wolfteck.com.  If you want, you can attach the files to email as
I don't have a limit on attachment size.  If that doesn't work for you,
I'll set something up so you can upload to my server.



-r


-- 
cilynx



From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec  5 22:22:03 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:22:03 +0100
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4394BD8B.8040301@nordita.dk>

 > ok, hmm to work around not being able to find Anna, can I change all
 > the text in bigTextFile to lowercase, and then do the search?  If so,
 > how would I go about doing that?

That would be accomplished by

   cat loweranduppercase.txt | tr A-Z a-z > lowercase.txt

Regards,
Tobi



From amaroq3 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 22:23:48 2005
From: amaroq3 at gmail.com (Rachael C.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:23:48 -0800
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512051407j1e5ebca9w4b6daa77e30cce95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>
	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>
	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>
	<6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<9421dc6f0512051407j1e5ebca9w4b6daa77e30cce95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f5fbd050512051423ha72ac80vc64b6ecceaec7c2f@mail.gmail.com>

Again, thanks to everyone who has been giving me lot of helpful info.  :D

If I want to also look for palindromes that are anywhere between 1 and
4 characters in length, what would I do?  I am looking at this : (^|\
)([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )  and I am not seeing how to break
it down so I can find palindromes bigger or smaller than 4 character's
in length. Could someone explain it to me?  I am very curious.  :)

Thanks!

On 12/5/05, Todd Slater <dontodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/5/05, Rachael C. <amaroq3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ok, hmm to work around not being able to find Anna, can I change all
> > the text in bigTextFile to lowercase, and then do the search?  If so,
> > how would I go about doing that?
>
> man tr
>
> tr [set1] [set2]
>
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From lists at ninjafriendly.com  Mon Dec  5 22:53:34 2005
From: lists at ninjafriendly.com (Pete Hunt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:53:34 +0000
Subject: File associations / permissions problem
Message-ID: <4394C4EE.4040400@ninjafriendly.com>

Hi,

This could be a long one.

Background: Hoary (Gnome) on a Thinkpad.

I have a strange problem - file associations for _normal users_ have 
become unset on my laptop - caused by a permissions problem I think, but 
I can't track down what's causing it.

Normally I can open most files by doubleclicking on them in Nautilus, 
but file associations have been lost and I can't reset them in some cases.

If I issue:

pete at tpad:~/images$ eog wallpaper81.jpg

Eye of Gnome opens, but I get:

I/O error : Permission denied
I/O error : Permission denied
I/O error : Permission denied
etc

in the xterm and the file won't open.  I can use Open in EOG to preview 
the image in the file browser, but can't actually open the file.

(yes, I have full rwx to the files in question).

##  Things I've already tried:

1) Created a new user to see if it's just my account.  My test user has 
the same problem - default file associations are broken and permissions 
are strange.

2) Reinstalled gnome-mime-data - still broken.

3) Running Nautilus / eog / etc through sudo - works fine - icons are 
representative of content and open with the correct program.

So the mime data is there, but something is denying me (and test user) 
access.

4) Reinstalled kernel + headers (because of below)

## Possible culprit

I _think_ (since it's the last thing I did before noticing the problem) 
that the problem was caused by the vmwareplayer installer adding things 
to my machine (specifically, faffing with kernel headers) but I could be 
wrong.

Anyone care to give me a clue?

Thanks

Pete



From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec  5 22:55:28 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:55:28 +0100
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051423ha72ac80vc64b6ecceaec7c2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>	<6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>	<9421dc6f0512051407j1e5ebca9w4b6daa77e30cce95@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051423ha72ac80vc64b6ecceaec7c2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4394C560.3000703@nordita.dk>

 > If I want to also look for palindromes that are anywhere between 1 and
 > 4 characters in length, what would I do?  I am looking at this : (^|\
 > )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )  and I am not seeing how to break
 > it down so I can find palindromes bigger or smaller than 4 character's
 > in length. Could someone explain it to me?  I am very curious.  :)

2 letter: (^|\ )([A-Za-z])\2($|\.|\ )
4 letter: (^|\ )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )
8 letter: (^|\ )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\5\4\3\2($|\.|\ )

You're getting the pattern...

Regards,
Tobi



From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  5 23:12:15 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:12:15 +0000
Subject: new to linux/Ubuntu/shell scripting . . .
In-Reply-To: <6f5fbd050512051423ha72ac80vc64b6ecceaec7c2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f5fbd050512040052j4c02de19k2ebe085f650b2cce@mail.gmail.com>	<6f5fbd050512051131k4eaf17b6gd17207479b9c1562@mail.gmail.com>	<43949B94.3050004@nordita.dk>	<6f5fbd050512051254k30d630adrb5502525b312f24@mail.gmail.com>	<4394B392.1000003@nordita.dk>	<6f5fbd050512051351t35f3dd32iab2bc2d7f148a7c0@mail.gmail.com>	<9421dc6f0512051407j1e5ebca9w4b6daa77e30cce95@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f5fbd050512051423ha72ac80vc64b6ecceaec7c2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4394C94F.7010209@ntlworld.com>

Rachael C. wrote:
> Again, thanks to everyone who has been giving me lot of helpful info.  :D
> 
> If I want to also look for palindromes that are anywhere between 1 and
> 4 characters in length, what would I do?  I am looking at this : (^|\
> )([A-Za-z])([A-Za-z])\3\2($|\.|\ )  and I am not seeing how to break
> it down so I can find palindromes bigger or smaller than 4 character's
> in length. Could someone explain it to me?  I am very curious.  :)
> 
> Thanks!

Firstly I would suggest the matching pattern of

  \b([a-zA-Z])([a-zA-Z])\2\1\b

would be better. Do 'man grep' to find out what '\b' does. You could
also use [:alpha:] in there.

Secondly it should be easy to come up with patterns for 1, 2 and 3
letter palindromes based on that one.

Thirldy remember that

 this|that|theother

is a pattern which matches 'this', or 'that', or 'theother' and you can
build more complex patterns up from simple ones.

A  shell script works like the command-line. You can test commands out
by just typing them interactively at the prompt.

Hope this helps,
Toby



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 23:19:07 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:19:07 +0000
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <86hd9nt9n8.fsf@gmail.com>

Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> writes:

 | In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
 | cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
 | while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
 | blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.
 | 
 | http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png
 | 
 | 

It looks fine to me!

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Mon Dec  5 23:33:14 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:03:14 +1030
Subject: Parallel port test
Message-ID: <4394CE3A.1060409@internode.on.net>

Hi all,
have just had problems getting a HP Laserjet printer to work.
The end problem was that the parallel port had decided to go out to lunch
and didn't come back. Was passing some data, just not all of it,
Installed a pci card with parallel port on it, at last have a printer.

My question is, is there any simple way that a parallel port can be tested??

The  way I found out it wasn't working properly was to take a drive with 
Win98
on it out of my old machine where the printer was working fine, and put 
it in
this one, and printer not working.

Thanks in advance,
Take Care
Winton




From ompaul at eircom.net  Mon Dec  5 23:44:53 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:44:53 +0000
Subject: usubscribe
In-Reply-To: <200511290941.50332.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
References: <200511290941.50332.gmzimmer@michonline.net>
Message-ID: <4394D0F5.2040204@eircom.net>

George wrote:

>unsubscribe
>
>  
>

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec  5 23:58:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:58:04 -0500
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<86hd9nt9n8.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arpunk.1zld1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Sorry but i think they look alright, at least to me :P


-- 
arpunk



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 00:18:01 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 02:18:01 +0200
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
In-Reply-To: <86hd9nt9n8.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<86hd9nt9n8.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133828282.8559.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 23:19 +0000, leon wrote:
> Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> writes:
> 
>  | In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
>  | cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
>  | while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
>  | blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.
>  | 
>  | http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png
>  | 
>  | 
> 
> It looks fine to me!
> 

No, no. Check the thread titles, note how greek characters are different
than latin ones. It's very annoying. This doesn't happen in windows.




From bassix at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 00:29:42 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:29:42 -0500
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
In-Reply-To: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4394DB76.3060500@gmail.com>

Giorgos wrote:
> In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
> cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
> while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
> blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.
>
> http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png

You might want to check to make sure that "font auto-hint" is not 
enabled. I once enabled it and noticed that it did blur the fonts like 
cleartype (anti-alias).

Read this:

http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts

Specifically points 4 and 5:

sudo gedit /etc/fonts/local.conf


Make sure that the section in question actually *IS* commented out (so 
that it is ignored by the system). I think you may need to restart the 
X-server (CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE) or maybe reboot the system if you edit 
this file.

Hope that maybe helps...

-Steve.

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From kencubilo at grics.net  Tue Dec  6 00:33:18 2005
From: kencubilo at grics.net (ken cubilo)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:33:18 -0600
Subject: Question on mounting
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A91052E@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <00af01c5f9fc$aad7ee80$0201a8c0@kce>

Hi audio cd's play fine and I can see that the dvd drive is being detected. 
It just seems that linux won't play a movie. I am starting to think this 
might be a legal thing

ken cubilo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will H. Backman" <whb at ceimaine.org>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: Question on mounting


Are you able to access data CDs from the nautilus file manager?  Is
totem the only application that has trouble?  What is you place a music
CD in the drive?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:41 PM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: Question on mounting
>
> Hi I should have been more specific. The drive is detected ok but when
I
> try
> to use totem i get the message "cannot mount dev"
>
> Ken Cubilo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will H. Backman" <whb at ceimaine.org>
> To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Question on mounting
>
>
> What do you mean by not working?  Cannot play DVD movie, or can't see
> any CD?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> > bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ken cubilo
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:29 PM
> > To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Question on mounting
> >
> > After about a 10 year break from linux, my son talked me into
> installing
> > ubuntu on my system. This is one of the smoothest running distros I
> have
> > seen. My problem is I am unable to get my DVD player working. Any
> > suggestions on what to try here.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ken Cubilo
> >
> >
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From reti at csail.mit.edu  Tue Dec  6 00:36:07 2005
From: reti at csail.mit.edu (Kalman Reti)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:36:07 -0500
Subject: Live CD hangs
In-Reply-To: <438C89FE.40200@comcast.net>
References: <438C89FE.40200@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4394DCF7.3020608@csail.mit.edu>

Rob wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I am trying to use the 5.1 Live CD.  However, it hangs during boot right
>after mentioning something about "enterprise volume manager" or
>something like that.
>
>I have never used Ubuntu, so I am totally clueless.
>
>I am using an HP Pavillion zd8000 laptop.  Right now on my hard drive I
>have Windows XP and Gentoo Linux.  I wonder if it has something to do
>with the way my hard disk is set up as I remember seeing that the Live
>CD might use existing swap space.
>
>Thanks!   Rob.
>
Did you mean to say "5.10" (Breezy) instead of 5.1?  I've successfully used
both PPC and i386 5.10 live cds on several pieces of hardware.  If you 
really
meant 5.1, I don't think I have anything to offer (the oldest I used was 
5.4 Hoary).

When it hangs, can you get into another console (i.e. ctrl-alt-F1 or 
ctrl-alt-F2)?
If you can, you can use dmesg to see the console messages which might
give a clue.  Also, there might be error messages on the ctrl-alt-F4 (or 
other)
console.

If that doesn't work, try booting live-expert, just hitting return for 
most of the
questions it asks which are different than the normal boot, and at the end
when it asks what run level to go into, type 1 (i.e. the numeral one). 
 After
you see the message about terninating all the processes, you should be able
to type ctrl-alt-F1 and then ctrl-alt-F8 and be in single user mode.  If 
you
haven't had any errors so far, you can look at the dmesg output to see
what devices it detected as the kernel was coming up and if it got serious
errors using them.




From bassix at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 00:53:43 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:53:43 -0500
Subject: Question on mounting
In-Reply-To: <00af01c5f9fc$aad7ee80$0201a8c0@kce>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A91052E@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
	<00af01c5f9fc$aad7ee80$0201a8c0@kce>
Message-ID: <4394E117.8090606@gmail.com>

Have you installed the following?:

sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2

That library is needed in order to play DVDs...

-Steve.
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Tue Dec  6 01:05:50 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:05:50 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Albert Wrote: 
> 
>>DC Parris wrote:
>>>Did y'all see this interview with Fabio Marzocca?
>>>http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/49268/index.html
>>>Enjoy!
> 
>>>Don
> 
>>Thanks. I just read this and, based on it, I installed Baobab.  I  
> 
>>received the following error within Synaptic:
<snip>
>>I'm not sure if this is a Baobab problem or a Synaptic problem.
<snip>
> This is a Synaptic problem.. Anyway, Baobab's version in Breezy
> repository is very old. The new one is in Dapper but you can safely
> install it from the deb package (I have built it on Breezy) from the
> web site: http://www.gnome.org/projects/baobab

Thank you for the link.
"apt-get install baobab" installs the old version, 1.2.0-1.
I downloaded baobab_2.2.0-1_i386.deb and dpk'ed it.  When invoked first 
time I deselected a second partation that I didn't want scanned.  It 
crashed.  I invoked again, several times and it crashed, everytime with:
--------------------------------
The Application "baobab" has quit unexpectedly.

You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or 
you can restart the application right now.
--------------------------------
Total file system capacity shows 0 bytes.

It's too easy to break.  I think I'll wait until it's more stable.



From albertwagner at cox.net  Tue Dec  6 02:02:56 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:02:56 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4394F150.3000700@cox.net>

To anyone interested:
Baobab leaves some slime behind when it is uninstalled.  I did a 
complete uninstall with Synaptic, then a new install;  And the same 
crash occurs.  Apparently, some hidden config file is left behind but 
without the name 'baobab'.  I tried updatedb/locate baobab and found 
only the files in ~/.gconf/apps/baobab.  Even deleting these files 
didn't affect anything.  It still crashes after a clean reinstall.



From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu  Tue Dec  6 02:48:24 2005
From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (crimsun at fungus.sh.nu)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:48:24 -0800
Subject: problems with wpa_supplicant using ipw2200
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512051327t42a258daj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051204072735.11371.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20051205210809.GA15473@fungus.sh.nu>
	<3f1760512051327t42a258daj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051206024824.GA29617@fungus.sh.nu>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:27:00PM +0000, Dick Davies wrote:
> wpa_supplicant doesnt' ship with breezy at all. I'm using the one from
> universe, and:
[...]
> pairwise_cipher=CCMP
> group_cipher=CCMP
> key_mgmt=WPA2-PSK
> wpa_state=COMPLETED
> ip_address=**************
> Supplicant PAE state=AUTHENTICATED
> suppPortStatus=Authorized
> EAP state=SUCCESS
> 
> CCMP is supplicantese for AES, no?

The version in Breezy only works accidentally. It was fixed correctly
in 0.4.6; see the changelog entry that I made.
-- 
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 03:05:46 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:35:46 +0530
Subject: ICEWM
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>

In the TUX magazine they cover lightwight window managers.I thought of
trying them one by one.I don`t have an internet connection configured in
Ubuntu hence I have download the packages from packages.ubuntu.com I have
downloaded three packages icewm ,icewm -common ,icewm-themes.Once I have
installed how do I start up with icewm.Please give the same details for even
wm and fluxbox.I intend on trying them soon.

Cheers
Vignesh
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec  6 03:12:02 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:12:02 +1100
Subject: editing Digital Video, authoring DVD's
Message-ID: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>

I need to shoot some dv, edit it, and then make it playable on a domestic 
DVD player. I don't need an exotic menu - just something basic and user 
friendly.

What are people using for editing and authoring.. and are they two 
seperate packages?

The camera is a Sony DV with firewire.

I've done some googling, but it would be nice to know what people have had 
success with.

-- 
David McQuire




From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  6 04:25:20 2005
From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:25:20 -0000
Subject: raylink card and ubuntu
Message-ID: <000f01c5fa1d$11e1bf50$0301a8c0@Michael>

I bought my first wireless card for a laptop on Saturday.
It is a Raylink, not sure of the model number off hand.
For some reason I couldn't connect to the connection in the place where I 
was using it.
The person who helped me install it who was trying to get me connected read 
something about this make needing a certain Kernel.
Does Breezy Badger support the latest Kernel and if not could anyone tell me 
where I can find the file for the latest Kernel?
I went to the www.kernel.org site but could only find a name which had patch 
in it and I was told not to download the patch.
Apparently it may have taken too long over a wireless connection where I was 
trying to connect so maybe I may need to burn it to CD after I have 
downloaded it with my standard broadband MODEM which I have at my flat which 
is what my desktop PC uses at the moment. 




From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Tue Dec  6 04:59:00 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:59:00 +1000
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>

I have installed the j2sdk1.4.2_10 Java binary on my Ubuntu system 
(Warty) and made a symbolic to the java and javac commands in 
/usr/bin/java and /usr/bin/javac. /usr/bin is on the PATH environment. 
Where I issue the which java command, it returns a blank line. When I 
issue whereis java
it returns a positive output: java: /usr/bin/java

I conclude that the output of the which command is an acknowledgement  
of the path being correct. For instance, I can issue which perl and get 
the result
/usr/bin/perl so the perl command is on the system path.

The java symbolic links are soft links  and created thus

ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/java
ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/javac

The java binary file (with extension bin) was unpacked in the 
/usr/local/bin directory.
How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the 
environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was 
necessary but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting 
the execution of the java command is successful when I am in the 
directory containing the command and issuing a command for an example 
like so:

./java -jar SampleTree.jar

and I get a window with the demonstrated output.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

Alfred,

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From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 04:45:52 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:45:52 -0500
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

They should just make an entry in the GDM/KDM Sessions menu

~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 08:35 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> In the TUX magazine they cover lightwight window managers.I thought of
> trying them one by one.I don`t have an internet connection configured
> in Ubuntu hence I have download the packages from packages.ubuntu.com
> I have downloaded three packages icewm ,icewm
> -common ,icewm-themes.Once I have installed how do I start up with
> icewm.Please give the same details for even wm and fluxbox.I intend on
> trying them soon.
> 
> Cheers
> Vignesh
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From francis at impilinux.co.za  Tue Dec  6 05:00:16 2005
From: francis at impilinux.co.za (Francis Viviers)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:00:16 +0000
Subject: FAT32 RW problems : solved
In-Reply-To: <20051205154856.78515.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051205154856.78515.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200512060500.16938.francis@impilinux.co.za>

Hi

Use fsck.vfat to scan fat partitions under linux.

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:48, Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> Maybe I should have made a kind fsck under breezy but
> I had never done that, and not sure it is feasible on
> a FAT sys.
>
> Is there a linux tool dedicated to scan FAT partitions
> ?
>
> Seb



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 05:06:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:06:39 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
References: <a2ce2a0e050617083645330fa0@mail.gmail.com>	<42B2F20F.8070700@gmail.com>	<1119024614.1112.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<42B3037C.1060306@xprt.net><42B33E95.1010301@v8zman.com>	<42B34256.9070309@xprt.net><tread.1qsjhz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><slrndb8d9r.999.lists2005@pepper.local.lan>
	<42B5910A.5060206@gmail.com> <BB.1s32hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <jeffdano.1zlrva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


All registered and converted... three systems now online for SETI at home.



Go Team Ubuntu!=D>


-- 
jeffdano



From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec  6 05:27:14 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:27:14 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
Message-ID: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>

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Hi All:

I'm trying to figure out how to make backups of a directory to an
external usb disk.  So that any new files in the directory will be
copied to the external disk when it's attached.  All by itself, that's
not too difficult.  But I also want to be able to add files to the disk
when it's plugged into a laptop and have them get copied over when it is
plugged back into the desktop computer.  That would give me two
independent sets of data that is usually in sync (or very close).  And,
as an added bonus, the extra security of having one copy (on the usb
disk) spend most of it's time physically separated from the other copy.

I've been reading up on rsync and backup software.  rsync is intended
for two computers, so I don't think that will work for me.  Backup
software seems to be a one way solution.  I'm thinking something like
synctree, but that will alter one tree to look like the other and will
delete files to do that.  So synctree isn't bidirectional either.

I'm sure that this can be done, but I'm at a loss for a solution.
Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec  6 05:31:50 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:31:50 +0100
Subject: editing Digital Video, authoring DVD's
In-Reply-To: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1133847110.8119.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:12 +1100, David wrote:
> I need to shoot some dv, edit it, and then make it playable on a domestic 
> DVD player. I don't need an exotic menu - just something basic and user 
> friendly.

"kino" appears appears to do exactly what you need... retrieve movies
from DV cameras via firewire, do some basic editing, then save it in DVD
format.

I also just discovered two very nice/promising video editing
applications for Gnome today, "diva" and "pititv", but it looks like
they won't be ready/mature enough before at least 6 months, whereas Kino
looks quite nice/usable at present.
Haven't actually used it since I don't have the spare dosh for a digital
video camera sadly...


HTH


--
Vince




From lists at userdox.com  Tue Dec  6 05:36:45 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff Purchase)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:36:45 +1100
Subject: editing Digital Video, authoring DVD's
In-Reply-To: <1133847110.8119.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1133847110.8119.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4395236D.8060206@userdox.com>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:12 +1100, David wrote:
> 
>>I need to shoot some dv, edit it, and then make it playable on a domestic 
>>DVD player. I don't need an exotic menu - just something basic and user 
>>friendly.
> 
> 
> "kino" appears appears to do exactly what you need... retrieve movies
> from DV cameras via firewire, do some basic editing, then save it in DVD
> format.
> 
> I also just discovered two very nice/promising video editing
> applications for Gnome today, "diva" and "pititv", but it looks like
> they won't be ready/mature enough before at least 6 months, whereas Kino
> looks quite nice/usable at present.
> Haven't actually used it since I don't have the spare dosh for a digital
> video camera sadly...
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 
> 
I haven't played with it yet but have you looked at cinelerra

http://cinelerra.org/

Geoff




From dlaude at usadig.com  Tue Dec  6 05:43:16 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:43:16 -0700
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
Message-ID: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>

Just a FYI,

I just moved over to kubuntu from SuSE 10.0 and got my dual-head setup
working just fine.  Here's my working xorg.conf.

<snip>
# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, 
using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual 
page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades 
*only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the 
xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically 
updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
        FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
        # paths to defoma fonts
        FontPath        
"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
        FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load    "GLcore"
        Load    "i2c"
        Load    "bitmap"
        Load    "ddc"
        Load    "dri"
        Load    "extmod"
        Load    "freetype"
        Load    "glx"
        Load    "int10"
        Load    "type1"
        Load    "vbe"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Generic Keyboard"
        Driver          "kbd"
        Option          "CoreKeyboard"
        Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg"
        Option          "XkbModel"      "pc104"
        Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
        Driver          "mouse"
        Option          "CorePointer"
        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
        Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
        Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier      "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP"
        Driver          "mga"
        BusID           "PCI:2:0:0"
        Screen 0
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier      "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP_2"
        Driver          "mga"
        BusID           "PCI:2:0:0"
        Screen 1
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "Sylvania"
        Option          "DPMS"
        HorizSync       30-69
        VertRefresh     50-90
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "ViewSonic"
        Option          "DPMS"
        HorizSync       30-70
        VertRefresh     50-120
EndSection
Section "Screen"
        Identifier      "Sylvania"
        Device          "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP"
        Monitor         "Sylvania"
        DefaultDepth    24
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           1
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           4
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           8
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           15
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           16
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           24
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier      "ViewSonic"
        Device          "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP_2"
        Monitor         "ViewSonic"
        DefaultDepth    24
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           1
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           4
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           8
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           15
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           16
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth           24
                Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" 
"800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier      "Default Layout"
        Screen          "Sylvania"
        Screen          "ViewSonic" RightOf "Sylvania"
        InputDevice     "Generic Keyboard"
        InputDevice     "Configured Mouse"
        Option "Xinerama" "on"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
        Mode    0666
EndSection
</snip>

Hope this helps someone!

Dana



From kenhall at perago.com  Tue Dec  6 05:54:34 2005
From: kenhall at perago.com (Ken Hall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:54:34 +0200 
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
Message-ID: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799808@PERAGO_SERVER01>

I would appreciate some help with this wee problem.
I have and AMD2000XP machine running WinXP and  Breezy Badger.  I have a
Realtek RTL8139d NIC installed in it.  WinXP identifies the card just fine
and it works.  Ubuntu sees the card, allows me to configure it from the
gnome desktop and permits me to activate it but I cannot use it for
accessing anything on the network.  I can ping my own address but nothing
outside of the machine.  I am not too clued up on this side of linux and do
not know how to trouble shoot this or what to do to get it working.  Please
help!
Regards
Ken.
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec  6 06:03:51 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:03:51 -0800
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
In-Reply-To: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799808@PERAGO_SERVER01>
References: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799808@PERAGO_SERVER01>
Message-ID: <1133849032.19007.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 07:54 +0200, Ken Hall wrote:
> I would appreciate some help with this wee problem.
> I have and AMD2000XP machine running WinXP and  Breezy Badger.  I have
> a Realtek RTL8139d NIC installed in it.  WinXP identifies the card
> just fine and it works.  Ubuntu sees the card, allows me to configure
> it from the gnome desktop and permits me to activate it but I cannot
> use it for accessing anything on the network.  I can ping my own
> address but nothing outside of the machine.  I am not too clued up on
> this side of linux and do not know how to trouble shoot this or what
> to do to get it working.  Please help!
> Regards
> Ken.



What ip numbers are you using in XP


What ip numbers are you using in Ubuntu    <Static or Dynamic>



Vram





From dlaude at usadig.com  Tue Dec  6 06:19:54 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:19:54 -0700
Subject: Hauppauge WinTV working
Message-ID: <200512052319.54113.dlaude@usadig.com>

Another FYI,

I just switched over from SuSE 10.0 to kubuntu and have my Hauppauge
WinTV card working with Tvtime.  Specifics on the card are:
Hauppaugge WinTV model 44801, rev D153, tuner model is a
LGTP18NSR13F, decoder BT878.

Basically, what happens is the card is seen as a type 10 card, but the 
tuner is 4, which does not work.  So, just do the following:

"sudo vi /etc/modprob.d/bttv" and then add the following line...
"options bttv card=10 tuner=27". (you can change the vi to you're 
favorite editor btw)  Quotes shoutd not be added.

After this, you should reboot and then fire up tvtime, or kdetv.

Dana



From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 06:42:49 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:49 +0330
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512052242h4eeef91uf15812efcd0099a7@mail.gmail.com>

edit your `/etc/profile' file and set the PATH for your java home and java
binary directory in that

add something like this:

export JRE_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_05
export PATH=$PATH:$JRE_HOME/bin

edit it for your self


On 12/6/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
>
> I have installed the j2sdk1.4.2_10 Java binary on my Ubuntu system (Warty)
> and made a symbolic to the java and javac commands in /usr/bin/java and
> /usr/bin/javac. /usr/bin is on the PATH environment. Where I issue the *which
> java* command, it returns a blank line. When I issue *whereis java
> *it returns a positive output: *java: /usr/bin/java
>
> *I conclude that the output of the *which* command is an acknowledgement
> of the path being correct. For instance, I can issue *which perl* and get
> the result
> /usr/bin/perl so the perl command is on the system path.
>
> The java symbolic links are soft links  and created thus
>
> ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/java
> ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/javac
>
> The java binary file (with extension bin) was unpacked in the
> /usr/local/bin directory.
> How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> of the *java* command is successful when I am in the directory containing
> the command and issuing a command for an example like so:
>
> ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
>
> and I get a window with the demonstrated output.
>
> Thanks in advance for any pointers.
>
> Alfred,
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 06:45:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 01:45:07 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Would the copy command work for you?  (cp).  It does have an "update"
option that copies new files and any that have been changed.  I haven't
used it for this purpose and don't know how fast it would be - of course
this depends upon the amount of data you wish to move.  It also has a
recursive option that would need to be invoked.



I use tar for a backup of my home directory and you could probably use
this in a small bash program to automate it so that it would backup the
home directory and then extract it onto the usb drive.  It has lots of
options such as only backing up new or changed files.  



Dar is another program that might be of assistance - from what I have
seen it is like tar but more powerful.  It is available through the
repositories.



Hope this is of some help.



John_c.


-- 
john_c



From custom at freenet.de  Tue Dec  6 07:21:47 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:21:47 +0700
Subject: editing Digital Video, authoring DVD's
In-Reply-To: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1299916755.20051206142147@freenet.de>

Hello David,

Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 10:12:02 AM, you wrote:

D> I need to shoot some dv, edit it, and then make it playable on a domestic
D> DVD player. I don't need an exotic menu - just something basic and user
D> friendly.

D> What are people using for editing and authoring.. and are they two 
D> seperate packages?

Install 'Kino'.  It works for basic editing, then preparing the files
for burning to DVD. I think it generates those scripts too.

Keep in mind there's no really good video editing software for Linux
yet.. Kino is still a bit away from even having just the functions of
Windows Movie Maker or especially Apple iMovie.

But Kino does work in a life or death situation. :)

http://www.kinodv.org/

I think it's in the repositories so you can just get it with Synaptic
/ apt-get

Cheers,
Chanchao





From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 07:35:15 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:05:15 +0530
Subject: KDE menus
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512052335w5c9ebdb1ic4e889b2565b8fb1@mail.gmail.com>

there are 2 problems whenever I use KDE,

1) Only One of my user freezes when logged into kde, I've to physically
restart the comp.

2) In Kde's Main Menu, K button on taskbar, when I move over a section if
there are many submenus, it spreads the section blocking the whole page? is
there any option to make the sub section scroll like in gnome's menu.


revant
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 07:43:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:43:43 -0500
Subject: KDE menus
References: <e06f2acd0512052335w5c9ebdb1ic4e889b2565b8fb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Joey.French.1zlz9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


EXACTLY! 



That whole "menu covering the screen" thing is one reason I began using
xfce.


-- 
Joey French



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 07:48:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:48:04 -0500
Subject: Installing Base System failure
References: <E1EjN5k-0001mz-KS@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zlz9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The usual suspect is the cd you burned. Try burning another one,
verifying it after burning.



THen when you install Ubuntu at the install prompt type:


Code:
--------------------
    expert
--------------------




It will offer you a menu. Scroll down to verify install cd (or
something to that effect) and do that.



Then reboot and install normally.



HTH


-- 
amohanty



From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec  6 08:00:36 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:00:36 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca> <john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>

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'Forum Post wrote:
| Would the copy command work for you?  (cp).  It does have an "update"
| option that copies new files and any that have been changed.  I haven't
| used it for this purpose and don't know how fast it would be - of course
| this depends upon the amount of data you wish to move.  It also has a
| recursive option that would need to be invoked.
|
| I use tar for a backup of my home directory and you could probably use
| this in a small bash program to automate it so that it would backup the
| home directory and then extract it onto the usb drive.  It has lots of
| options such as only backing up new or changed files.
|
| Dar is another program that might be of assistance - from what I have
| seen it is like tar but more powerful.  It is available through the
| repositories.
|
| Hope this is of some help.
|
| John_c.

Thanks John.  It seems that each of these is uni-directional.  So if
I've added files to both disks, then I'd have to run it once in each
direction.  I'm suspicious that files added from A to B might be seen as
new during the copy from B to A.

I've been doing this with Nautilus so far, but the filesystem is
approaching one hundred and fifty gigs with most of the activity taking
place in a subdir with about sixty gigs.  So slotting these in by hand
is getting tedious.  Not to mention that it's getting easier for me to
make a mistake and leave a file not copied.

What I was hoping to find was a command that would look for new files on
each side and copy them to the other.  Hmmm . . . Maybe it's time I
learned to write a script.

Thanks,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From luca76 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:05:19 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:05:19 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>

With Ubuntu's PPC Live CD, can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?

If not, how can I do it?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:06:38 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:36:38 +0530
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>

Ya it was there in the menu..What about FVWM.Does it add an option or what ?
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/6/05, Chris Peterman <c.peterman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They should just make an entry in the GDM/KDM Sessions menu
>
> ~ Chris Peterman
>
> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 08:35 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> > In the TUX magazine they cover lightwight window managers.I thought of
> > trying them one by one.I don`t have an internet connection configured
> > in Ubuntu hence I have download the packages from packages.ubuntu.com
> > I have downloaded three packages icewm ,icewm
> > -common ,icewm-themes.Once I have installed how do I start up with
> > icewm.Please give the same details for even wm and fluxbox.I intend on
> > trying them soon.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Vignesh
>
>
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> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 08:16:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:16:02 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>
	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Albert Wrote: 
> To anyone interested:

> Baobab leaves some slime behind when it is uninstalled.  I did a 

> complete uninstall with Synaptic, then a new install;  And the same 

> crash occurs.  Apparently, some hidden config file is left behind but 

> without the name 'baobab'.  I tried updatedb/locate baobab and found 

> only the files in ~/.gconf/apps/baobab.  Even deleting these files 

> didn't affect anything.  It still crashes after a clean reinstall.

> 



There is a bug on gconf keys. 

Open GConf configuration editor, apps->baobab->properties and clear the
variable "noscan".


-- 
saltydog



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 08:03:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:03:51 -0500
Subject: corrupt shipit CDROMs.
References: <ab8d3b910511280822i394c42e5tdf40c21d7cecffc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133215750.22833.8.camel@journeyhawk>
Message-ID: <squibbon.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


bro, i have an experienced for this problem. i've got my shitit cds then
with excitement went to installation. just borrowed a 128Meg SDRAM from
our another pc. opened my pc installed the ram then goes my ubuntu
installation. it appears something like "Init kill ! ! !". i have been
stuck with it even trying the live cd but no good. then i tried to
remove the RAM installed but no good still then i found out my built-in
video does it again. tried to use old AGP video card then my
installation went fine. 

so therefore, to my opinion, it is on your part the problem can be
solve. check your system.


-- 
squibbon



From rpowersau at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:26:01 2005
From: rpowersau at gmail.com (rpowersau at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:26:01 +0800
Subject: breezy upgrade, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686 can't start X
Message-ID: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I did a dist upgrade to breezy. Everything went well. However, when I
rebooted, I ended up at the command line. X wouldn't start, it complained
that it couldn't load nvidia?

So I rebooted and selected Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 from the grub menu
and it worked.

Does anyone know why the 686 kernel would not work but the 386 would? From
the error message it seems to be an nvidia "thing."

Thanks.

--
Regards,
Russ
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Tue Dec  6 08:28:32 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:28:32 +0000
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca> <john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <20051206082832.GA22075@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 12:00:36AM -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> I've been doing this with Nautilus so far, but the filesystem is
> approaching one hundred and fifty gigs with most of the activity taking
> place in a subdir with about sixty gigs.  So slotting these in by hand
> is getting tedious.  Not to mention that it's getting easier for me to
> make a mistake and leave a file not copied.
> 
> What I was hoping to find was a command that would look for new files on
> each side and copy them to the other.  Hmmm . . . Maybe it's time I
> learned to write a script.

'Unison' should do what you want.  It is based on the rsync algorithm,
comes in a command line version for use in scripts and has a GTK
interface available.  (It's in 'universe'.)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From magnus at therning.org  Tue Dec  6 08:49:31 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <20051206084931.GA5271@die.therning.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:27:14PM -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
>Hi All:
>
>I'm trying to figure out how to make backups of a directory to an
>external usb disk.  So that any new files in the directory will be
>copied to the external disk when it's attached.  All by itself, that's
>not too difficult.  But I also want to be able to add files to the disk
>when it's plugged into a laptop and have them get copied over when it is
>plugged back into the desktop computer.  That would give me two
>independent sets of data that is usually in sync (or very close).  And,
>as an added bonus, the extra security of having one copy (on the usb
>disk) spend most of it's time physically separated from the other copy.
>
>I've been reading up on rsync and backup software.  rsync is intended
>for two computers, so I don't think that will work for me.  Backup
>software seems to be a one way solution.  I'm thinking something like
>synctree, but that will alter one tree to look like the other and will
>delete files to do that.  So synctree isn't bidirectional either.
>
>I'm sure that this can be done, but I'm at a loss for a solution.
>Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

It might be worth looking at unison. I use it to synchronise quite a few
things between different machines. It synchronises two dirs rather than
mirroring one dir into another.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again
and expecting different results.
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Tue Dec  6 08:56:54 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:56:54 +0000
Subject: breezy upgrade, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686 can't start X
In-Reply-To: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051206085654.GB22075@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 04:26:01PM +0800, rpowersau at gmail.com wrote:
> I did a dist upgrade to breezy. Everything went well. However, when I
> rebooted, I ended up at the command line. X wouldn't start, it complained
> that it couldn't load nvidia?
> 
> So I rebooted and selected Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 from the grub menu
> and it worked.
> 
> Does anyone know why the 686 kernel would not work but the 386 would? From
> the error message it seems to be an nvidia "thing."

Sounds like you've not installed the required 686 kernel modules.  Go
through synaptic (search on the name 'linux') and install the 686
versions of whatever 386 versions you have installed currently.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 08:41:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:41:04 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>
	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net> <saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1zm21y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The bug is fixed in current version on gnome-cvs. I will release a new
deb in the coming days.

Thanks.


-- 
saltydog



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 08:48:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
	<john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>
	<20051206082832.GA22075@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <markr.1zm21y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I agree with David,  I'm using unision (using the GUI, not command line)
to keep 9Gb of data on my laptop in sync with my USB HDD.



The initial copy took some time (Unision basically copying 9gb of data
across), but now it takes a minute to launch Unison and perform the
sync.  I think the advantage doing it manually is YOU are in control
and not the script;  for example,  if you delete a file that is no
longer required from your USB stick, how will the script know if this
was intended or not?  depending on how you write the script it may
delete the file from the PC as well, or write it back to the USB Stick
- Both of these could be right depending on the circumstances (i.e. did
you mean to delete it or not).



I'd be careful setting up automation to keep your files in sync;  for
the minute it takes for unison (it will give you options to keep,
delete etc before performing operations) to sync the files I'd say it
was worth avoiding any mishap with your data!



Mark.


-- 
markr



From turf.ph at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:08:40 2005
From: turf.ph at gmail.com (AC Perdon)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:08:40 +0800
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <161976c20512060108j75ec8220xc35417e58785170d@mail.gmail.com>

Just a FYI I have Installed Eclipse in my Breezy and it works fine to
pratice java.

On 12/6/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
>
> I have installed the j2sdk1.4.2_10 Java binary on my Ubuntu system (Warty)
> and made a symbolic to the java and javac commands in /usr/bin/java and
> /usr/bin/javac. /usr/bin is on the PATH environment. Where I issue the *which
> java* command, it returns a blank line. When I issue *whereis java
> *it returns a positive output: *java: /usr/bin/java
>
> *I conclude that the output of the *which* command is an acknowledgement
> of the path being correct. For instance, I can issue *which perl* and get
> the result
> /usr/bin/perl so the perl command is on the system path.
>
> The java symbolic links are soft links  and created thus
>
> ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/java
> ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/javac
>
> The java binary file (with extension bin) was unpacked in the
> /usr/local/bin directory.
> How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> of the *java* command is successful when I am in the directory containing
> the command and issuing a command for an example like so:
>
> ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
>
> and I get a window with the demonstrated output.
>
> Thanks in advance for any pointers.
>
> Alfred,
>
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From mark at planetman.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 09:10:14 2005
From: mark at planetman.co.uk (Mark Nottingham)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:10:14 -0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1133804977.9221.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1744992237.30436.ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

>>>>By using the "Add Applications" tool to add ready packaged programs
perhaps?  At the bottom of the "Applications" >>>>
>>>>menu.  If that doesn't suffice, then clicking Advanced under Preferences
starts up Synaptic, the package manager,>>>>
>>>>which allows you to add, remove and generally mess with applications
from many sources.>>>> 

I was talking of applications that are not in Synaptic really. The last
example I had was trying to install VMWare Player. Apparently I had the
wrong version of a certain (C++???) library (I use Breezy) and I needed an
earlier one. I didn't want to break my Ubuntu installation so I gave up. If
a program's in Synaptic, that's great. If it's not, then in my experience
there's a 50% chance I won't be able to get it to work (not because it
won't, because I don't know how).

>>>>People are still sloppy about this;  the facility to add menu entries
automatically exists, but not all packages do it :(>>>>

Even packages that *do* put in a menu entry sometimes don't appear straight
away. Why should I have to do a "killall gnome-panel" or even reboot after
an install? That's a Windows trait.

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of neil woolford
Sent: 05 December 2005 17:50
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Cc: Mark Nottingham
Subject: RE: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 07:15 +0000, Mark Nottingham wrote:

Of Windows XP;

> Everything is so much easier to install and use.  If I want to install 
> a program I just double-click on a file and the application is listed in
the 'All Programs'
> menu. In Ubuntu, if I can work out *how* to install

By using the "Add Applications" tool to add ready packaged programs perhaps?
At the bottom of the "Applications" menu.  If that doesn't suffice, then
clicking Advanced under Preferences starts up Synaptic, the package manager,
which allows you to add, remove and generally mess with applications from
many sources.

>  it I then have no idea
> where it has installed it to, and there is usually nothing listed in 
> the menus so I can run it.

People are still sloppy about this;  the facility to add menu entries
automatically exists, but not all packages do it :(


> Maybe in a year or so I can make the switch permanent. Until then I'll 
> have to hang on to XP I'm afraid.

I'd always suggest caution and steadiness about migrating.  I've run a
Desktop machine with Ubuntu on since Warty Warthog, more than a year ago.
I've had an experimental Ubuntu Breezy partition on my laptop for a month or
so, which seems very stable, but I've only just started to move my work
accounts data from Quattro Pro on Windows to OpenOffice.org Calc.  Even
there I'm sticking to the Windows version until I'm certain I've ported
everything without disasters (and that my 'improvements' and tweaks on the
way are the good ideas they seemed to be).

After that I will re-write an improved job handling/client contact
application in OpenOffice.org Base (replacing a venerable Paradox
system)  Then, and only then, will I move to Ubuntu on the laptop.  (And
Windows will stay available until *long* after I've stopped using it
regularly.)

This may seem over cautious (it is, frankly), but I've heard horror stories
of keen advocates moving (people) over to OpenSource too fast.
Perhaps it is better advocacy to start by getting people to try Open Source
systems on smaller, *new* projects and to 'backport' working systems later?

Neil




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 09:01:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:01:55 -0500
Subject: breezy upgrade, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686 can't start X
References: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <markr.1zm2za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you compile your own nvidia module or did you download it using the
package manager?



If you used the package manager is should work without any problems
(that's the advantage of using it).



If you compile your own using the NVIDIA*.run file from the NVidia
site,  you will have to re-run it every time you upgrade the kernel.



If you do not need the latest and greatest NVidia drivers,  I'd suggest
that you just do a search for nvidia in the package manager and install
it from their



Mark.


-- 
markr



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec  6 09:41:31 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:41:31 +1300
Subject: Version conflict with libgl1-mesa-dev
In-Reply-To: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0BB@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>
References: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0BB@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>
Message-ID: <1133862091.12750.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 13:41 -0500, Kort, Eric wrote:
> Hi.  I need to install libgl1-mesa-dev in order to enable OpenGL support
> in my QT projects.  However when I try to install it on my Breezy system
> (with Synaptic) I get the following irreconcilable version collision:
> 
> libgl1-mesa-dev:
>   Depends: libgl1-mesa(=6.3.2-0ubuntu6) but
> 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1 is to be installed
> 
> Is there an update to libgl1-mesa-dev that is compatible with the latest
> libgl1-mesa, or can I hack my way around this dependency?  If I try to
> force the prior version of libgl1-mesa, synaptic wants to install
> ubuntu-desktop and x-window-system-core, so that does not appear to be
> an option.
> 

It appears that both packages have been updated.  apt-cache policy
reports 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1 as in breezy-updates for both packages
(where 6.3.2-0ubuntu6 is the version that was used when breezy was
released):
tim at marvin:~$ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa
libgl1-mesa-dev:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1
  Version table:
     6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1 0
        500 http://127.0.0.1 breezy-updates/main Packages
     6.3.2-0ubuntu6 0
        500 http://127.0.0.1 breezy/main Packages
libgl1-mesa:
  Installed: 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1
  Candidate: 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1
  Version table:
 *** 6.3.2-0ubuntu6breezy1 0
        500 http://127.0.0.1 breezy-updates/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     6.3.2-0ubuntu6 0
        500 cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release amd64
(20051012) breezy/main Packages
        500 http://127.0.0.1 breezy/main Packages

(I am running apt-proxy on my system, hence the http://127.0.0.1 URL
base)



You will need to upgrade both packages in the same Synaptic operation.

> Thank you,
> -Eric Kort
> This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient(s) please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.  Thank you.
> 

Tim





From ryan.escarez at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:53:06 2005
From: ryan.escarez at gmail.com (Ryan Escarez)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:53:06 +0800
Subject: breezy upgrade, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686 can't start X
In-Reply-To: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bba9c1120512060153g6a32c938h311aebdf728dc04b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, rpowersau at gmail.com <rpowersau at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did a dist upgrade to breezy. Everything went well. However, when I
> rebooted, I ended up at the command line. X wouldn't start, it complained
> that it couldn't load nvidia?
>
> So I rebooted and selected Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 from the grub menu
> and it worked.
>
> Does anyone know why the 686 kernel would not work but the 386 would? From
> the error message it seems to be an nvidia "thing."
>
> Thanks.
>

have you tried this?

http://brainbox.keyz.org/?p=104



--
Ryan Escarez
CEBB F1E4 1E39 EC48 F05D  6B72 9C11 DD88 5E39 E471
$ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x5E39E471
main(k){float i,j,r,x,y=-16;while(puts(""),y++<15)
for(x=0;x++<84;putchar(" .:-;!/>)|&IH%*#"[k&15]))
for(i=k=r=0;j=r*r-i*i-2+x/25,i=2*r*i+y/10,j*j+i*i<11&&k++<111;r=j);}



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 11:44:53 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:44:53 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:05 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> With Ubuntu's PPC Live CD, can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
> 
> If not, how can I do it?
> 
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> 

You need to install some packages. Check
http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs




From kenhall at perago.com  Tue Dec  6 12:02:45 2005
From: kenhall at perago.com (Ken Hall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:02:45 +0200 
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
Message-ID: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F6037998FF@PERAGO_SERVER01>

I am using static addresses. 192.168.1.10 in XP and 192.168.1.11 for Breezy.
When I use Breezy inside a VMWare session hosted in XP is works but that is
using the VMWare networking features.
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From m at px0.de  Tue Dec  6 12:03:13 2005
From: m at px0.de (Maximilian Gerlach)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:03:13 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
In-Reply-To: <1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <A591D5AA-A4C9-4598-A6C4-44198C9B1982@px0.de>

> You need to install some packages. Check
...which you shouldn't be able to, on a live cd.
So, in short: No, it isn't possible. Sorry.

Maxi



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 12:12:36 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:12:36 +0200
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
In-Reply-To: <4394DB76.3060500@gmail.com>
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4394DB76.3060500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133871157.8559.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 19:29 -0500, Steve wrote:
> Giorgos wrote:
> > In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
> > cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
> > while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
> > blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.
> >
> > http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png
> 
> You might want to check to make sure that "font auto-hint" is not 
> enabled. I once enabled it and noticed that it did blur the fonts like 
> cleartype (anti-alias).
> 
> Read this:
> 
> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
> 
> Specifically points 4 and 5:
> 
> sudo gedit /etc/fonts/local.conf
> 
> 
> Make sure that the section in question actually *IS* commented out (so 
> that it is ignored by the system). I think you may need to restart the 
> X-server (CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE) or maybe reboot the system if you edit 
> this file.
> 

I didn't have /etc/fonts/local.conf at all... any other ideas? Can
someone visit http://www.adslgr.com/forum/index.php on his machine and
provide some screenshots?




From ogra at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec  6 12:15:29 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:15:29 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
In-Reply-To: <A591D5AA-A4C9-4598-A6C4-44198C9B1982@px0.de>
References: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<A591D5AA-A4C9-4598-A6C4-44198C9B1982@px0.de>
Message-ID: <1133871330.22996.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 06.12.2005, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Maximilian Gerlach:
> > You need to install some packages. Check
> ...which you shouldn't be able to, on a live cd.
huh ? why ? the liveCD runs in ram, indeed you can install everything
you want but it wont last beyond the session...

ciao
	oli
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From y.lesaint at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 12:16:46 2005
From: y.lesaint at gmail.com (Yannick Le Saint (kyncani))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:16:46 +0100
Subject: File associations / permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <4394C4EE.4040400@ninjafriendly.com>
References: <4394C4EE.4040400@ninjafriendly.com>
Message-ID: <20051206131646.e48a6534.y.lesaint@gmail.com>

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:53:34 +0000
Pete Hunt <lists at ninjafriendly.com> wrote:
> I have a strange problem - file associations for _normal users_ have 
> become unset on my laptop - caused by a permissions problem I think, but 
> I can't track down what's causing it.
> 
> (snip)
> 
> pete at tpad:~/images$ eog wallpaper81.jpg
> 
> Eye of Gnome opens, but I get:
> 
> I/O error : Permission denied
> I/O error : Permission denied
> I/O error : Permission denied
> etc

You could run eog with strace :
strace eog wallpaper81.jpg 2>&1 | tee $HOME/tmp/log

That may tell you which system call leads to I/O errors.

---
Regards.

Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
http://y.lesaint.free.fr/
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec  6 12:21:05 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:21:05 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
In-Reply-To: <1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051206232105.01ab3e49.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:44:53 +0200
Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:05 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> > With Ubuntu's PPC Live CD, can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies and MP3 audio?
> > 
> > If not, how can I do it?
> > 
> > --
> > "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
> >    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
> >                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> > 
> 
> You need to install some packages. Check
> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
> 

This is an example of why recommending ubuntuguide is *no longer a good
idea*. First of all, to install the recommended codecs you would need to
read

 http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories

Which 1) Refers to hoary and not breezy
           2) Won't work with ppc since it includes w32codecs
           3) includes outdated backports URLs

Unfortunately using PPC precludes using w32codecs. 

Mp3 playback can be
easily implemented with , for example, beep-media-player or xmms, and most
of the gstreamer packages are available through the universe and
multiverse repos  - see

https://wiki.unbuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

For mp3 playback using totem or rhythmbox, the gstreamer0.8-mad package is
the one that needs to be installed. If you install totem-xine and/or vlc,
most but not all videos will be playable (for instance, windows media 9
will not play)

Peter



-- 

Linux User #343161 



From janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net  Tue Dec  6 12:30:30 2005
From: janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net (Janne Jokitalo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:30:30 +0200
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
In-Reply-To: <20051205110422.07d54a1c.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
	<20051205110422.07d54a1c.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <43958466.2040005@dnainternet.net>

Hi James,

James Tappin wrote:

> I don't know the trick to stop it, but what's happening (as I recall) is
> that if you install something and it installs other packages as
> dependencies and then remove the original package, apt-get leaves the
> dependencies, while aptitude removes them as well (unless you've
> subsequently installed something else that depends on them). 

Yes. I felt tired of writing that, but yeah I understand the big picture.

> So I assume what you would need is an option that says "don't remove
> packages installed as dependencies when their dependees have been
> removed".

I found that option. I don't get that tricky situation now, but then this
makes the same problematic state that apt-get does, and the reason to switch
to aptitude is that I could more easily avoid having unused stuff piling up
in the corners of my hdd.

Well, I'll keep looking. Thanks a bunch for taking the time!


-- 
Jaska



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec  6 12:35:55 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:35:55 +1100
Subject: (Correction) Ubuntu's PPC Live CD: can I see DivX/MPEG4 movies
 and MP3 audio?
In-Reply-To: <20051206232105.01ab3e49.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <bbda83370512060005l613ec404l7cedd95bec7381b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133869493.8559.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051206232105.01ab3e49.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051206233555.3149c085.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

Sorry - typo in URL below: should of  course be

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

 <snipped context below>

> 
> Unfortunately using PPC precludes using w32codecs. 
> 
> Mp3 playback can be
> easily implemented with , for example, beep-media-player or xmms, and most
> of the gstreamer packages are available through the universe and
> multiverse repos  - see
> 
> https://wiki.unbuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
> 
> For mp3 playback using totem or rhythmbox, the gstreamer0.8-mad package is
> the one that needs to be installed. If you install totem-xine and/or vlc,
> most but not all videos will be playable (for instance, windows media 9
> will not play)



-- 

Linux User #343161 



From janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net  Tue Dec  6 12:59:11 2005
From: janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net (Janne Jokitalo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:59:11 +0200
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
In-Reply-To: <20051205131056.GA17020@patch.com>
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
	<20051205131056.GA17020@patch.com>
Message-ID: <43958B1F.2060601@dnainternet.net>

Hi Michael,


Michael Rasmussen wrote:

> Aptitude does try to track what packages are installed as dependencies
> and remove them when all dependencies are removed.  Are you _sure_ you
> need the packages it proposes to remove?  Sometimes packages being
> removed are selected due to version upgrades.  

Yes, that is the reason I would want to use aptitude. I am sure I need OO.o2
and I would like to keep it.

> You can control this, and other aptitude behaviors, through the Menu
> choices Options->Dependency handling.  Other choices are UI options and
> Miscelllaneous.  When you make the change here aptitude writes your
> choices out in ~/.aptitude/conf

Well, I looked for that option and did a bit of fiddling with aptitude UI. I
thought I got it, but then I checked that option again (Automatically remove
unused packages, I think) and the earlier functionality reappeared.

So I guess it all comes down to that that OO.o2 isn't good enough by itself.
It seems I have to install something that it depends on. What I was looking
for is some sort of function that could be used to "approve" things I have
installed currently, and from there on aptitude could do its normal operation.

Thanks anyway, Michael! Muchly appreciated!


-- 
Jaska





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 12:58:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:58:04 -0500
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
References: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F6037998FF@PERAGO_SERVER01>
Message-ID: <daller.1zmd5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I don't think you can address the same machine 2 IP-addreses, when
running Breezy through VMware!



Why do you want that?



Why don't you run Breezy standalone?


-- 
daller



From janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net  Tue Dec  6 13:05:35 2005
From: janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net (Janne Jokitalo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:05:35 +0200
Subject: Transition from apt-get to aptitude?
In-Reply-To: <frodon.1zkl9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133779143.439418c723e1e@webmail.dnainternet.net>
	<frodon.1zkl9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43958C9F.6040205@dnainternet.net>

'Forum Post(er) wrote:

> Is it the thread you are looking for ? :
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37736

Hi there, stranger. :)

There was similar talk in that thread, but my eyes didn't catch the trick I
was after.

However, after doing some more work on the subject I figured out the way in
two phases.

First, I realized that OO.o2 was dependant of ubuntu-desktop. I installed
that by apt-get, and after that aptitude didn't want to remover OO.o2
anymore, nor some of the libraries and other packages that related.

Then, it just popped into my head. Why not do 'sudo aptitude install xxx'
where I replaced those 'xxx's by c&p'ing what it wants to remove. Ta-da,
that did the trick. Naturally there might have been something I didn't
actually need, but by what I saw aptitude's UI explaining them to be a bit
earlier, I don't think so.

Now I think I'm where I wanted to be. Time will tell. Thanks to everyone who
contributed to this thread!


-- 
Jaska




From mtbeedee at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 14:19:57 2005
From: mtbeedee at gmail.com (Michael Beattie)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:19:57 -0500
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
>  I have installed the j2sdk1.4.2_10 Java binary on my Ubuntu system (Warty)
> and made a symbolic to the java and javac commands in /usr/bin/java and
> /usr/bin/javac. /usr/bin is on the PATH environment. Where I issue the which
> java command, it returns a blank line. When I issue whereis java
>  it returns a positive output: java: /usr/bin/java
>
>  I conclude that the output of the which command is an acknowledgement  of
> the path being correct. For instance, I can issue which perl and get the
> result
>  /usr/bin/perl so the perl command is on the system path.
>
>  The java symbolic links are soft links  and created thus
>
>  ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/java
>  ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/javac
>
>  The java binary file (with extension bin) was unpacked in the
> /usr/local/bin directory.
>  How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> of the java command is successful when I am in the directory containing the
> command and issuing a command for an example like so:
>
>  ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
>
>  and I get a window with the demonstrated output.
>
>  Thanks in advance for any pointers.
>
>  Alfred,
>

I dont know if it was a typo or not, but those links are not correct.

j2sk1/4/2_10 is not a valid path... it should be something like j2sdk1.4.2_10



From tholmes at mcaschool.net  Tue Dec  6 14:30:48 2005
From: tholmes at mcaschool.net (Timothy A. Holmes)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:30:48 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
Message-ID: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>

How do I join the team????


Timothy A. Holmes
IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher
 
Medina Christian Academy
A Higher Standard...
 
Jeremiah 33:3
Jeremiah 29:11
Esther 4:14

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of 'Forum Post
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:07 AM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu SETI at home Team
> 
> 
> All registered and converted... three systems now online for
SETI at home.
> 
> 
> 
> Go Team Ubuntu!=D>
> 
> 
> --
> jeffdano
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From carney1979 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 14:33:41 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:33:41 -0500
Subject: KDE menus
In-Reply-To: <Joey.French.1zlz9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <e06f2acd0512052335w5c9ebdb1ic4e889b2565b8fb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Joey.French.1zlz9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512060933.42071.carney1979@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 06 December 2005 02:43, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:
> EXACTLY!
>
>
>
> That whole "menu covering the screen" thing is one reason I began using
> xfce.
>
>
> --
> Joey French

The menus work MUCH better in KDE 3.5.

David

-- 
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From kenhall at perago.com  Tue Dec  6 14:46:48 2005
From: kenhall at perago.com (Ken Hall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:46:48 +0200 
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
Message-ID: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799973@PERAGO_SERVER01>

Well, it can be done.  You cant use the same ip cause it is two 'seperate
machines' the IP is after all only a 'soft' setting that defines the
'machines' address.  You can have a number of addresses on a network card
and they can be deprecated or not. Point is it is working with the VMWare.
I want to run it stand alone but I have no network then as Ubuntu is not
using the Realtek NIC as it should hence the question to the forum!
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From matt.t.galvin at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 14:52:27 2005
From: matt.t.galvin at gmail.com (Matt Galvin)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:52:27 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
In-Reply-To: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
Message-ID: <a2ce2a0e0512060652r4b34bf12xd5e55aea9ed6ff06@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Timothy A. Holmes <tholmes at mcaschool.net> wrote:
> How do I join the team????

Just sign up for seti, log in, search for the team and join it. It is
all done via seti's web interface.

Matt

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http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/matt/
GPG: 0x01403A57



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 14:57:14 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:57:14 +0000
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
	<d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512060657w2dc10d67u@mail.gmail.com>

> On 12/5/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:

> >  How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> > environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> > but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> > of the java command is successful when I am in the directory containing the
> > command and issuing a command for an example like so:
> >
> >  ./java -jar SampleTree.jar

Add the directory you are in to the path.

I should point out that /usr/bin/java is supposed to be a symlink into
/etc/alternatives.

If you install a jdk 'The Debian (Ubuntu) Way[1], you'd use :

update-alternatives --set java /path/to/java command

to point the /usr/bin/java symlink where you want it to be.
Do the same thing for javac, rmid, etc.

(some of these are taken care of automatically for you if you install with
java-package) .

[1]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142

--
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 14:52:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Samba and SWAT
References: <437F4859.50800@hiden.org>
Message-ID: <veehell.1zmipy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi i had problem to run SWAT so i search via google and found this help:

To get swat working on ubuntu you must do the following steps:

1) In /etc/inetd.conf remove the "#<off>#" on the swat line so it looks
like this:
swat  stream  tcp  nowait.400  root  /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat

*2) Install the inetd and swat packages 'sudo apt-get install inetd
swat'*

3) To use swat you will need your root password.  If you don't know it
(ubuntu sets one at install time and doesn't tell you what it is) then
change it: 'sudo passwd'

The bold one is the step which i forgot to proceed.
Now everything ok ;) SWAT is accesible on http://127.0.0.1:901 with
root/<pasword> :)


-- 
veehell



From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:00:20 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:00:20 -0500
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512060700u513edc8dy9ba4a844b371ae91@mail.gmail.com>

yes fvwm does. as does fluxbox, blackbox, cde, wm, etc.

On 12/6/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ya it was there in the menu..What about FVWM.Does it add an option or what
> ?
> Cheers
> Vignesh
>
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From mikeraz at patch.com  Tue Dec  6 15:04:24 2005
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:04:24 -0800
Subject: Problems with RTL8139D NIC
In-Reply-To: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799973@PERAGO_SERVER01>
References: <2C3CB727B662D511889200508B4481F603799973@PERAGO_SERVER01>
Message-ID: <20051206150424.GC11740@patch.com>

Ken Hall wrote:
> I want to run it stand alone but I have no network then as Ubuntu is not
> using the Realtek NIC as it should hence the question to the forum!

This is bizarre.  When you're booted up in Breezy what do these commands
return:

/sbin/ifconfig
/bin/netstat -r

Did you do you original install of Breezy in a vmware virtual machine or
to an empty partition on your disk?

Michael 'full of questions' R

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
        http://www.patch.com/words/
  The fortune cookie says:
Nothing endures but change.
		-- Heraclitus




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec  6 14:56:14 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:56:14 -0400
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <s38efebc.028@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <edlg63-9qn.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Bill Cairns wrote:

> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited
> EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
> 
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

That's obnoxious - not to mention a poorly designed web page.  Please don't
post from a work account if it's going to do this to us. 
-- 
derek




From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Tue Dec  6 15:17:27 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:27 -0800
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
Message-ID: <20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 10:43:16PM -0700, Dana J. Laude wrote:
> Just a FYI,
> 
> I just moved over to kubuntu from SuSE 10.0 and got my dual-head setup
> working just fine.  Here's my working xorg.conf.

Thanks for the info.  I setup the same configuration a couple weeks ago and
this looks very similar (if not identical) to mine.

I did run into one problem though: hardware OpenGL is not working.  Does it
work for you?  If so, would you mind helping me out?

-- 
Most people are too busy to have time for anything important.



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:19:55 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:19:55 -0500
Subject: Mac users note -- Fwd: [ydl-gen] Airport Extreme - the Reverse
	Engineered driver...
Message-ID: <77520bee0512060719u1cc8103i15430f5771b4c657@mail.gmail.com>

Posted on YDL's (YellowDogLinux) mailing list:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Dec 6, 2005 4:05 AM
Subject: [ydl-gen] Airport Extreme - the Reverse Engineered driver...
To: Yellow Dog Linux General Discussion List
<yellowdog-general at lists.terrasoftsolutions.com>


... is apparently done

http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12886

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From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Tue Dec  6 15:32:48 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:32:48 +0100
Subject: kdevelop editor
Message-ID: <op.s1db4yjotvpscf@tdr-0d900a9b769>

I have been using kdevelop for some time now (its nice for QT and  
perl/shell scripts, but I was wondering if
there was a way to use a VI-like editor inside kdevelop. I keep using VI  
keys, which gets tiresome after a while
(I am just use to delete using x:))



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Tue Dec  6 15:58:03 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:58:03 -0500
Subject: Nightmare printing to Windows printers
In-Reply-To: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>
References: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1133884683.13514.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 11:07 -0800, Lee H. wrote:

> 2.  Samsung ML-1440, USB, driver=gdi, set to default.  Ubuntu can use it
> and I can print out all the test pages I want, but I can't print from
> applications, e.g:  I can create a document in Open Office and hit print
> but absolutely nothing happens.

Not sure about your Open Office problem, but if you are getting garbled
graphics from your Samsung gdi printer (less noticeable on the test
page, but you'll see it almost immediately if you try to print out large
graphics from other applications), check out this bug:

https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18983

Just putting this out there, since I suspect that this bug will hit you
once you get your printer sharing configured.

(I use a shared Samsung laser printer (a ML-1430), but it's shared from
a Fedora Core server.  I've not ever connected it directly to my Ubuntu
laptops.)

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From fightingdestiny at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:03:05 2005
From: fightingdestiny at gmail.com (Ginger McCall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:03:05 -0500
Subject: Evolution and Palm TX
Message-ID: <271c25f10512060803r744304cbm3c4b83d3a2f6104e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
This is my first time posting to this mailing list, so please be patient
with me.  Could someone walk me through the process of setting up evolution
mail (with my gmail account) and syncing up my Palm TX with Breezy?  I tried
setting up Evolution last night on my own, but it didn't go too well and now
I'm not even sure how to modify the settings and correct it.
Basic instructions (and baby steps) are necessary as I've only recently
become acquainted with Ubuntu, and Linux in general.
Thanks,
Ginger
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From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec  6 16:08:15 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:08:15 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <20051206084931.GA5271@die.therning.org>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
	<20051206084931.GA5271@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <4395B76F.6000503@fletcher.ca>

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David Hart wrote:
| 'Unison' should do what you want.  It is based on the rsync algorithm,
| comes in a command line version for use in scripts and has a GTK
| interface available.  (It's in 'universe'.)

Mark wrote:
| I agree with David,  I'm using unision (using the GUI, not command line)
| to keep 9Gb of data on my laptop in sync with my USB HDD.

Magnus Therning wrote:
| It might be worth looking at unison. I use it to synchronise quite a few
| things between different machines. It synchronises two dirs rather than
| mirroring one dir into another.

Many thanks guys.  Unison hadn't come up when I was searching Synaptic.
~ I've installed it along with the gtk interface.  I'll give it a try.

For anyone else who's thinking of trying unison, I've found an article
that gives a pretty good description of how to use it:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7712

There is also the unison home page:
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/index.html

Thanks again,
Ed
- --
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ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec  6 16:09:41 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:09:41 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4395B7C5.1000504@cfl.rr.com>

What exactly do you mean it doesn't work?  "Doesn't work" is not a very 
good error description to go on ;)

As for raid drivers, that's kind of a misnomer in the case of fakeraid. 
  The controller is really just a regular IDE controller with some 
special BIOS and a proprietary windows driver that performs the raid 
functions.  Under linux it should be supported by a driver built on 
libata, only raid does not enter the picture.  More likely than not, 
this will work right out of the box with ubuntu.  The driver treats the 
controller as the normal IDE controller that it is, and so it provides 
access to the individual drives, not the raid volume.  For the raid 
access you need the kernel mapper device, which dmraid configures.



Sean Hammond wrote:
> Disaster! It turns out the LiveCD doesn't work on the PC in mention, so 
> we are back to square one.
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 16:15:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:15:41 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
	<a2ce2a0e0512060652r4b34bf12xd5e55aea9ed6ff06@mail.gmail.com>
	<markr.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <veehell.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


On 'Boinc download page' (http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php)
are several clients/managers/scripts/tools ;) So You can use the
official one. I did it via their package and all is perfect, seti is
running (without the graphics and einstein have graphics by default
(mean the result graphisc-screensaver) Their manager seem to be fine,
client could be used any already runned.

In synaptic there is also boinc-client and setiathome, xsetiathome and
some other packages (but not official, check sarge repository for
debian :)


-- 
veehell



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 16:01:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:01:25 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
	<a2ce2a0e0512060652r4b34bf12xd5e55aea9ed6ff06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <markr.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'd also be interested in joining up.  Does a .deb exist for the Bionic
application or do we still need to use the SETI client in the
repository?



Mark.


-- 
markr



From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:27:24 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:57:24 +0530
Subject: Cyber Cafe?
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512060827m7535cc8djc3358e884272fee9@mail.gmail.com>

Any project existing for ubuntu based cybercafe, (Ubuntu clients and Ubuntu
server)
for Monitoring and billing, not for locking screen.

revant
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Tue Dec  6 16:28:07 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:28:07 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Albert Wrote: 
> 
>>To anyone interested:
> 
> 
>>Baobab leaves some slime behind when it is uninstalled.  I did a 
> 
> 
>>complete uninstall with Synaptic, then a new install;  And the same 
> 
> 
>>crash occurs.  Apparently, some hidden config file is left behind but 
> 
> 
>>without the name 'baobab'.  I tried updatedb/locate baobab and found 
> 
> 
>>only the files in ~/.gconf/apps/baobab.  Even deleting these files 
> 
> 
>>didn't affect anything.  It still crashes after a clean reinstall.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a bug on gconf keys. 
> 
> Open GConf configuration editor, apps->baobab->properties and clear the
> variable "noscan".

As noted just above in my previous post, I deleted ~/.gconf/apps/baobab 
after a complete uninstall failed to remove it;  Therefore, it does not 
appear in the configuration editor.  Does Baobab continue to reference 
the copy in .Trash?




From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:32:59 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:02:59 +0530
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512060700u513edc8dy9ba4a844b371ae91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb39d0990512060700u513edc8dy9ba4a844b371ae91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512060832gf135088x7d3595f8ee872079@mail.gmail.com>

I installed wm,9wm,twm none of them were there in the list.How do I add
them.By the way can you explain the difference between Desktop enviroment
and window manager.Can I use another window manager instead of metacity in
Gnome ?Anyother wm`s to try.I have decided to try blackbox,enlightment ..But
takes time since I have to install see the dependencies and again come to
another machine download transfer and install.
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/6/05, hometoast <hometoast at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes fvwm does. as does fluxbox, blackbox, cde, wm, etc.
>
> On 12/6/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ya it was there in the menu..What about FVWM.Does it add an option or
> > what ?
> > Cheers
> > Vignesh
> >
>
>
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From magnus at therning.org  Tue Dec  6 16:34:44 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:34:44 +0000
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <4395B76F.6000503@fletcher.ca>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
	<20051206084931.GA5271@die.therning.org>
	<4395B76F.6000503@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <20051206163444.GG10920@die.therning.org>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:08:15AM -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>David Hart wrote:
>| 'Unison' should do what you want.  It is based on the rsync algorithm,
>| comes in a command line version for use in scripts and has a GTK
>| interface available.  (It's in 'universe'.)
>
>Mark wrote:
>| I agree with David,  I'm using unision (using the GUI, not command line)
>| to keep 9Gb of data on my laptop in sync with my USB HDD.
>
>Magnus Therning wrote:
>| It might be worth looking at unison. I use it to synchronise quite a few
>| things between different machines. It synchronises two dirs rather than
>| mirroring one dir into another.
>
>Many thanks guys.  Unison hadn't come up when I was searching Synaptic.
>~ I've installed it along with the gtk interface.  I'll give it a try.
>
>For anyone else who's thinking of trying unison, I've found an article
>that gives a pretty good description of how to use it:
>http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7712
>
>There is also the unison home page:
>http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/index.html

Unison comes with good documentation:

 file:///usr/share/doc/unison/unison-manual.txt.gz

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

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Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

The NSA regularly lies to people who ask it for advice on export
control. They have no reason not to; accomplishing their goal by any
legal means is fine by them. Lying by government employees is legal.
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From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:51:41 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:51:41 -0500
Subject: ICEWM
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(from http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/usail/installation/x/x.html)
A window manager is an application program and not part of the window
system. This means that the Motif Window Manager can be used with OpenLook,
etc. A single X server can provide access to several different window
mangers.

Generally a window manager is initiated as part of a user's startup script
as is the X system. However, both can be be started from the command line.
The startup script is what pulls together all the elements that comprise a
user's X environment. The startup script for X includes initialization
files, resource files and startup files for the window manager.
(somebody please correct me if this isnt correct enough)
A window manager is the look and feel of the windows, also the ways you can
interact with them.  A desktop environment is how everything meshes
together; the task bars, virtual desktops etc.  A desktop environ uses a
window manager. KDE Desktop Environment uses KWin window manager. Gnome uses
metacity or can use sawfish. I'm sorry but I don't know how to change
gnome's default window manager off the top of my head.  Google's always been
good to me for that.

I hope that this help clear it up a little.


.
On 12/6/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I installed wm,9wm,twm none of them were there in the list.How do I add
> them.By the way can you explain the difference between Desktop enviroment
> and window manager.Can I use another window manager instead of metacity in
> Gnome ?Anyother wm`s to try.I have decided to try blackbox,enlightment
> ..But takes time since I have to install see the dependencies and again come
> to another machine download transfer and install.
> Cheers
> Vignesh
>
> On 12/6/05, hometoast <hometoast at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > yes fvwm does. as does fluxbox, blackbox, cde, wm, etc.
> >
> > On 12/6/05, VIGNESH < vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya it was there in the menu..What about FVWM.Does it add an option or
> > > what ?
> > > Cheers
> > > Vignesh
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
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From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:54:59 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: kdevelop editor
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References: <op.s1db4yjotvpscf@tdr-0d900a9b769>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512060854o54314642l5257a84e1aec59aa@mail.gmail.com>

there is some work being done with that:
http://www.freehackers.org/interviews/kdevelop-2002-08/part2.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/09/msg00376.html

On 12/6/05, Yoram Hekma <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> I have been using kdevelop for some time now (its nice for QT and
> perl/shell scripts, but I was wondering if
> there was a way to use a VI-like editor inside kdevelop. I keep using VI
> keys, which gets tiresome after a while
> (I am just use to delete using x:))
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 16:59:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:59:00 -0500
Subject: Network Printer not responding
References: <c005d9f10511230407v5c6ad515hf83ca2db191a0924@mail.gmail.com>
	<1132751164.12512.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <eeclark.1zmo9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the same issue. If I use HPOJ, I can access my scanner (hp 2510)
just fine through sane via gimp.
If I use the HPLIP instead of HPOJ, then I have to launch sane via cmd
line and specify the hpaio: address.
Why can I not use sane through gimp with HPLIP?
Why does my printer fail if I try to use the hp: IPP but works just
fine using JetDirect?

I did notice I am using the HPLIP from the repos (version 0.9.5).  The
newest one (0.9.7) has a fix for Ubuntu users.  I wish it was in the
repo...I have already requested it from Backports. ...more voices might
help.
Thread on ubuntuforums:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98497


-- 
eeclark



From rpowersau at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:00:14 2005
From: rpowersau at gmail.com (rpowersau at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:00:14 +0800
Subject: breezy upgrade, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-686 can't start X
In-Reply-To: <markr.1zm2za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <476484250512060026x7c2f8bf4w445131c3e144020a@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/6/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> Did you compile your own nvidia module or did you download it using the
> package manager?


No, didn't compile.

If you used the package manager is should work without any problems
> (that's the advantage of using it).


Should, but didn't.  ;)

If you compile your own using the NVIDIA*.run file from the NVidia
> site,  you will have to re-run it every time you upgrade the kernel.
>
>
>
> If you do not need the latest and greatest NVidia drivers,  I'd suggest
> that you just do a search for nvidia in the package manager and install
> it from their


After many hours of no X, last thing I did was reinstall the
nvidia-glx-legacy package and it works now.  Don't know why or how, but it
does and I'm leaving well enough alone.  :)

Thanks to David, Mark, and Ryan for their help.

Mark.
>
>
> --
> markr
>
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Tue Dec  6 17:30:48 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:30:48 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Albert wrote:
> 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
>> Albert Wrote:
 >
<snip>
>> There is a bug on gconf keys.
>> Open GConf configuration editor, apps->baobab->properties and clear the
>> variable "noscan".
> 
> As noted just above in my previous post, I deleted ~/.gconf/apps/baobab 
> after a complete uninstall failed to remove it;  Therefore, it does not 
> appear in the configuration editor.  Does Baobab continue to reference 
> the copy in .Trash?
> 

Apparently, so.  Do you have any idea why selecting 'Mark for Complete 
Removal' in Synaptic does not delete ~/.gconf/apps/baobab? I moved the 
baobab folder from .Trash back to .gconf, rebooted, and then it appeared 
in gconf editor.  I cleared the variable 'noscan' and reinstalled 
Baobab.  This time it opened.  However, now the apps/baobab folder is 
completely gone from my system; It is in neither ~/.gconf nor in 
~/.Trash.  Go figure.

Also, after a quick examination, it appears that the file sizes in the 
directory tree are mislabeled by a couple of orders of magnitude, e.g. 
my root directory shows 928 GB but the whole disk drive is only 30GB.

As a certified fool, I am very good at helping developers foolproof 
their product :)




From plabonte at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:35:45 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:35:45 -0500
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
In-Reply-To: <CEA39A213F7F2E44A0DED9210BCD352FEDC0C0@VAIEXCH04.vai.org>
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Thank you Eric

On 12/5/05, Kort, Eric <Eric.Kort at vai.org> wrote:
>
> build-essential
>
> Cheers,
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Phil
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:27 PM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
>
> I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can
> compile using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?
>
> sudo apt-get intall ????
>
> Can someone help?
>
> Thanks.
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From plabonte at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:36:15 2005
From: plabonte at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:36:15 -0500
Subject: What do I need to install in order to be able to compile?
In-Reply-To: <1133814950.8119.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4527aede0512051226w4922667ch112d33498c52a9d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133814950.8119.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Merci Vincent

On 12/5/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
>
> > I know there is ione package that I need to install so that I can
> > compile using GCC but I cannot remember what that package name is?
> >
> > sudo apt-get intall ????
> >
> > Can someone help?
>
>
> The package "build-essential" will give you the basic/general purpose
> tools.
> You can also install "gnome-core-devel" which will help a lot when
> compiling Gnome applications specifically.
>
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Vince
>
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From xrdawson at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:58:02 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0800
Subject: Evolution and Palm TX
In-Reply-To: <271c25f10512060803r744304cbm3c4b83d3a2f6104e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <271c25f10512060803r744304cbm3c4b83d3a2f6104e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512060958i2b1cc01evfa35e3a9a5bcbaa3@mail.gmail.com>

Ginger,

How are you connecting your Palm to your computer?  If you use a USB
cable, you might just be able to plug it in and the computer will
recognize it without any work.  Have you tried this yet?

Chris

On 12/6/05, Ginger McCall <fightingdestiny at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> This is my first time posting to this mailing list, so please be patient
> with me.  Could someone walk me through the process of setting up evolution
> mail (with my gmail account) and syncing up my Palm TX with Breezy?  I tried
> setting up Evolution last night on my own, but it didn't go too well and now
> I'm not even sure how to modify the settings and correct it.
> Basic instructions (and baby steps) are necessary as I've only recently
> become acquainted with Ubuntu, and Linux in general.
> Thanks,
> Ginger
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>
>
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 17:57:24 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:57:24 -0500
Subject: Cyber Cafe?
References: <e06f2acd0512060827m7535cc8djc3358e884272fee9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ipn1nj4.1zmr1z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Not sure if this would work for you. But check it out

'

http://www.publicip.net/


-- 
ipn1nj4



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec  6 18:02:53 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:02:53 -0600
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512060832gf135088x7d3595f8ee872079@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb39d0990512060700u513edc8dy9ba4a844b371ae91@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512060832gf135088x7d3595f8ee872079@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051206120253.74ddce86@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:02:59 +0530
VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed wm,9wm,twm none of them were there in the list.How do I
> add
> them.

For some reason not all the WMs will show up in the gdm chooser.  I
think they all show up in the IceWM menu, at least if you have
installed <menu> and run <update-menus>.

Cybe R. Wizard -changed the .sig due to recent complaints
-- 
Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission 
critical applications, and - due to it's open source code - has a 
long term credibility which exceeds many other competitive OS's. 
	Vinod Valloppillil of MicroSoft Corp.
			Winduhs



From fightingdestiny at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:19:02 2005
From: fightingdestiny at gmail.com (Ginger McCall)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:19:02 -0500
Subject: Evolution and Palm TX
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512060958i2b1cc01evfa35e3a9a5bcbaa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <271c25f10512060803r744304cbm3c4b83d3a2f6104e@mail.gmail.com>
	<659b9ea30512060958i2b1cc01evfa35e3a9a5bcbaa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <271c25f10512061019udd6d8ecv5dd5453f46385efd@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I tried with the USB (it has a button on the cord to sync it) I even
tried more than one USB port, since the front ones can be finicky.  No luck.
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:37:38 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:37:38 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>

Situation:

I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a desktop.

I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards using
a crossover cable.

Problem:

How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not see
eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how to
use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I attempted
to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using System-Administration->Shared
Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
also tried to activate the network interfaces using
System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each machine an IP
address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for a password to
connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network Servers. This seems to
suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I never specified any
password.

I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:44:34 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:44:34 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <4395B7C5.1000504@cfl.rr.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
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"Doesn't work" is the only error description I have at the moment. I asked
him exactly what happens but haven't found out yet.

Thanks for clarifying the RAID driver situation. I understand what's going
on now, he needs to use dmraid, and assuming all goes well can probably
follow the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto, except
for this unknown error with the LiveCD. If I can get more info about the
error maybe we can make some more progress..

On 12/6/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> What exactly do you mean it doesn't work?  "Doesn't work" is not a very
> good error description to go on ;)
>
> As for raid drivers, that's kind of a misnomer in the case of fakeraid.
>   The controller is really just a regular IDE controller with some
> special BIOS and a proprietary windows driver that performs the raid
> functions.  Under linux it should be supported by a driver built on
> libata, only raid does not enter the picture.  More likely than not,
> this will work right out of the box with ubuntu.  The driver treats the
> controller as the normal IDE controller that it is, and so it provides
> access to the individual drives, not the raid volume.  For the raid
> access you need the kernel mapper device, which dmraid configures.
>
>
>
> Sean Hammond wrote:
> > Disaster! It turns out the LiveCD doesn't work on the PC in mention, so
> > we are back to square one.
> >
>
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From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:49:49 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:49:49 +0100
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>

Could you do a ping from 1 machine to the other?

On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Situation:
>
> I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a
> desktop.
>
> I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards
> using a crossover cable.
>
> Problem:
>
> How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
> files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not see
> eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how to
> use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I attempted
> to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using System-Administration->Shared
> Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
> also tried to activate the network interfaces using
> System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each machine an IP
> address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for a password to
> connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network Servers. This seems to
> suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I never specified any
> password.
>
> I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
>
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:56:39 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:56:39 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061044yac3b5fcg3de728de85097a88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<22fe482e0512061044yac3b5fcg3de728de85097a88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512061056m43f553famb3a14a9110f6e3e8@mail.gmail.com>

On Windows, the proprietary fakeraid driver comes on a floppy disk that the
Windows installer asks for. As I understand it dmraid is what will
(hopefully) take the place of this Windows driver. If I downloaded the
dmraid package onto a disk, might there be any way to interrupt the Ubuntu
installer, load this package, then continue with the normal installation?

On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Doesn't work" is the only error description I have at the moment. I asked
> him exactly what happens but haven't found out yet.
>
> Thanks for clarifying the RAID driver situation. I understand what's going
> on now, he needs to use dmraid, and assuming all goes well can probably
> follow the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto, except
> for this unknown error with the LiveCD. If I can get more info about the
> error maybe we can make some more progress..
>
> On 12/6/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > What exactly do you mean it doesn't work?  "Doesn't work" is not a very
> > good error description to go on ;)
> >
> > As for raid drivers, that's kind of a misnomer in the case of fakeraid.
> >   The controller is really just a regular IDE controller with some
> > special BIOS and a proprietary windows driver that performs the raid
> > functions.  Under linux it should be supported by a driver built on
> > libata, only raid does not enter the picture.  More likely than not,
> > this will work right out of the box with ubuntu.  The driver treats the
> > controller as the normal IDE controller that it is, and so it provides
> > access to the individual drives, not the raid volume.  For the raid
> > access you need the kernel mapper device, which dmraid configures.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean Hammond wrote:
> > > Disaster! It turns out the LiveCD doesn't work on the PC in mention,
> > so
> > > we are back to square one.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 18:58:10 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:58:10 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>

I can't try right now... but I don't know what I would ping anyway. Just the
host name of the machine, the name that appears after user@ in a terminal?
Or do I ping the IP address I have assigned the machine in
System-Administration-Networking?

On 12/6/05, Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Could you do a ping from 1 machine to the other?
>
> On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Situation:
> >
> > I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a
> > desktop.
> >
> > I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards
> > using a crossover cable.
> >
> > Problem:
> >
> > How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
> > files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not see
> > eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how to
> > use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I attempted
> > to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using System-Administration->Shared
> > Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
> > also tried to activate the network interfaces using
> > System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each machine an IP
> > address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for a password to
> > connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network Servers. This seems to
> > suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I never specified any
> > password.
> >
> > I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 18:43:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:43:05 -0500
Subject: Breezy won't compile ufsd (aka Paragon NTFS for Linux)
	customkernel module
References: <b8fd3ed90510150110i12c934cfldd3933d1fe986d4@mail.gmail.com><20051015101543.GD28130@fungus.sh.nu><b8fd3ed90510150754s6d8039bwe7f729c44e919b53@mail.gmail.com><20051015221225.GF28130@fungus.sh.nu>
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	<gosh.1z67om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <gosh.1zmtty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Just let it be....



I converted my disk to FAT32 with Partition Magic, without any
problems.



I'll just wait until linux support ntfs...:|


-- 
gosh



From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:07:58 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:07:58 +0100
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426905810512061107h782a7311sc14fa4901233c02d@mail.gmail.com>

Give them both a static IP, lets say
IP 192.168.0.1
subnet 255.255.255.0

and
IP 192.168.0.2
subnet 255.255.255.0

Then ping to the ip address of the other pc

On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can't try right now... but I don't know what I would ping anyway. Just
> the host name of the machine, the name that appears after user@ in a
> terminal? Or do I ping the IP address I have assigned the machine in
> System-Administration-Networking?
>
> On 12/6/05, Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Could you do a ping from 1 machine to the other?
> >
> > On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > Situation:
> > >
> > > I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a
> > > desktop.
> > >
> > > I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards
> > > using a crossover cable.
> > >
> > > Problem:
> > >
> > > How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can
> > > transfer files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers
> > > do not see eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not
> > > clear how to use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other.
> > > I attempted to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using
> > > System-Administration->Shared Folders and by following the Samba
> > > instructions in the starters guide. I also tried to activate the network
> > > interfaces using System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each
> > > machine an IP address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for a
> > > password to connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network Servers.
> > > This seems to suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I never
> > > specified any password.
> > >
> > > I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
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From bassix at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:09:28 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:09:28 -0500
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>	<426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4395E1E8.60503@gmail.com>

Sean Hammond wrote:
> I can't try right now... but I don't know what I would ping anyway. Just 
> the host name of the machine, the name that appears after user@ in a 
> terminal? Or do I ping the IP address I have assigned the machine in 
> System-Administration-Networking?

 From what I understand, in your System-Admin-Networking, you should 
have assigned an IP specifically to your ethernet LAN port. This should 
enable the computer on the other end of the cable to ping *that* IP number.

Also, are you currently running a firewall? If you are completely 
disconnected from the internet (just your two Ubuntu computers connected 
to each other), you can safely turn off the firewall, as it may (should) 
block certain IP traffic.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Tue Dec  6 19:12:24 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:12:24 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
Message-ID: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?

	Mario
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 19:15:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: xul runner
References: <429904C2.8060005@technolalia.org>
Message-ID: <dudus.1zmura@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I installed this from the binaries provided by mozilla. They work fine
till now


-- 
dudus



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 19:13:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:13:59 -0500
Subject: Best place to install xulrunner and applications
References: <429A083B.8080007@technolalia.org>
Message-ID: <dudus.1zmura@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'd put it into /usr/local/bin


-- 
dudus



From warlock at eskimo.com  Tue Dec  6 19:23:54 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:23:54 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Backups to USB Disk
In-Reply-To: <43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>
References: <43952132.9080301@fletcher.ca>
	<john_c.1zlwhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>  <43954524.8020204@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <1133897034.10609.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 00:00 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 'Forum Post wrote:
> | Would the copy command work for you?  (cp).  It does have an "update"
> | option that copies new files and any that have been changed.  I haven't
> | used it for this purpose and don't know how fast it would be - of course
> | this depends upon the amount of data you wish to move.  It also has a
> | recursive option that would need to be invoked.
> |
> | I use tar for a backup of my home directory and you could probably use
> | this in a small bash program to automate it so that it would backup the
> | home directory and then extract it onto the usb drive.  It has lots of
> | options such as only backing up new or changed files.
> |
> | Dar is another program that might be of assistance - from what I have
> | seen it is like tar but more powerful.  It is available through the
> | repositories.
> |
> | Hope this is of some help.
> |
> | John_c.
> 
> Thanks John.  It seems that each of these is uni-directional.  So if
> I've added files to both disks, then I'd have to run it once in each
> direction.  I'm suspicious that files added from A to B might be seen as
> new during the copy from B to A.
> 
> I've been doing this with Nautilus so far, but the filesystem is
> approaching one hundred and fifty gigs with most of the activity taking
> place in a subdir with about sixty gigs.  So slotting these in by hand
> is getting tedious.  Not to mention that it's getting easier for me to
> make a mistake and leave a file not copied.
> 
> What I was hoping to find was a command that would look for new files on
> each side and copy them to the other.  Hmmm . . . Maybe it's time I
> learned to write a script.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed
> - --
> Ed Fletcher
> ed at fletcher.ca


might want to look at unison. Available in Ubuntu, and works well for
me, even between Linux and redmondOS.


-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Never appeal to a man's 'better nature.' He may not have one. Invoking
his self-interest gives you more leverage. -- Lazarus Long
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From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:28:28 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:28:28 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?

sudo apt-get install openssh-server

It'll only work until you reboot, however.

--

  -- AL --



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Tue Dec  6 20:10:44 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:10:44 +0100
Subject: kdevelop editor
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512060854o54314642l5257a84e1aec59aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.s1db4yjotvpscf@tdr-0d900a9b769>
	<cb39d0990512060854o54314642l5257a84e1aec59aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.s1doz6zitvpscf@gnat.lan>

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:54:59 +0100, hometoast <hometoast at gmail.com> wrote:

> there is some work being done with that:
> http://www.freehackers.org/interviews/kdevelop-2002-08/part2.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/09/msg00376.html
>
> On 12/6/05, Yoram Hekma <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> I have been using kdevelop for some time now (its nice for QT and
>> perl/shell scripts, but I was wondering if
>> there was a way to use a VI-like editor inside kdevelop. I keep using VI
>> keys, which gets tiresome after a while
>> (I am just use to delete using x:))
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-users mailing list
>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>


Yes well, I had a look into that, and it turns out there was even an  
"guide" on http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdevelop/kdevelop/setup.html
However, I cannot select the embedded vim editor from the pulldown menu in  
Kdevelop, I only see the advanced and the QT one.
Can anyone confirm this does work with Ubuntu? I installed the  
kpart-module.

Thanks in advance



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec  6 20:36:57 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:36:57 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061056m43f553famb3a14a9110f6e3e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4395B7C5.1000504@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512061044yac3b5fcg3de728de85097a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061056m43f553famb3a14a9110f6e3e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4395F669.3000609@cfl.rr.com>

I'm not sure about that, but if the livecd does not work, odds are good 
that you will have the same problem after installing from the setup cd. 
  I'd say figure out what the problem is with the livecd and get that 
going, then follow the steps in the howto.

Sean Hammond wrote:
> On Windows, the proprietary fakeraid driver comes on a floppy disk that 
> the Windows installer asks for. As I understand it dmraid is what will 
> (hopefully) take the place of this Windows driver. If I downloaded the 
> dmraid package onto a disk, might there be any way to interrupt the 
> Ubuntu installer, load this package, then continue with the normal 
> installation?
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 20:29:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:29:04 -0500
Subject: sooo billig, dass es schon beinahe gratis ist
Message-ID: <KingBahamut.1zmygm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


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require or book


-- 
KingBahamut



From awfabian at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 20:42:06 2005
From: awfabian at gmail.com (Adam Fabian)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:42:06 -0600
Subject: update-notifier and a locally recompiled package.
Message-ID: <fyp6555t.fsf@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net>

I have encountered some behavior that is a little confusing and that I
don't know how to deal with.

I recompiled the exim package (without understanding the process too
much, I really just needed to change a #define in a header file), and
got a bunch of .debs.  I was using exim4-daemon-light and I replaced
the installed package with my package.  Now, all of the package tools
want to upgrade exim-daemon-light from version 4.52-1 to version
4.52-1.  (That's not a typo; that's my problem.)  I do almost all of
my package management with aptitude, and with aptitude, I have 'held'
the package.  But I'm afraid Synaptic or that update-notifier are
going to try to upgrade my package, and aside from that, I'd like the
update-notifier to not constantly tell me I need to upgrade a package
that doesn't need upgrading.

So, my questions:

Why/how does the packaging system decide it wants to 'upgrade' a
package with a package of the same version?

How can I keep my locally compiled version and get all of the package
tools working reasonably? (i.e., they will not try to upgrade my
package until there is at least a higher version number available, the
update manager will not show that it is a package in need of
upgrading, etc.)

I tried pinning as best as I understood it, and it didn't seem to
work.  It may be a solution that I didn't understand.

Any help would be appreciated.



From dontodd at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 21:09:11 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:09:11 -0500
Subject: OT motherboard/cpu suggestions sought
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the computer I built about 6 years ago is on its last legs and
I'm looking to build another, but quite a lot has changed since I
built my last one! I rather prefer to stick with AMD processors, but
don't know whether to go with an AMD 64 or not. Also, what mobo
chipset should I be looking for? If possible, I'd like to get a mobo
with onboard sound and video to save a few $$ to start. Any "gotchas"
I should be aware of in terms of using it with Ubuntu?

This will be a family computer we'll use for photo organizing/editing,
cd/dvd backup, and mostly general office apps--no gaming here.

Feel free to respond off-list to keep the chatter down.

TIA,

Todd



From alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg  Wed Dec  7 08:00:48 2005
From: alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:00:48 +1100
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
	<d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133942448.3870.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:19 -0500, Michael Beattie wrote:
> On 12/5/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
> >  I have installed the j2sdk1.4.2_10 Java binary on my Ubuntu system (Warty)
> > and made a symbolic to the java and javac commands in /usr/bin/java and
> > /usr/bin/javac. /usr/bin is on the PATH environment. Where I issue the which
> > java command, it returns a blank line. When I issue whereis java
> >  it returns a positive output: java: /usr/bin/java
> >
> >  I conclude that the output of the which command is an acknowledgement  of
> > the path being correct. For instance, I can issue which perl and get the
> > result
> >  /usr/bin/perl so the perl command is on the system path.
> >
> >  The java symbolic links are soft links  and created thus
> >
> >  ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/java
> >  ln -s /usr/local/bin/j2sk1/4/2_10/bin/java /usr/bin/javac
> >
> >  The java binary file (with extension bin) was unpacked in the
> > /usr/local/bin directory.
> >  How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> > environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> > but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> > of the java command is successful when I am in the directory containing the
> > command and issuing a command for an example like so:
> >
> >  ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
> >
> >  and I get a window with the demonstrated output.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance for any pointers.
> >
> >  Alfred,
> >
> 
> I dont know if it was a typo or not, but those links are not correct.
> 
> j2sk1/4/2_10 is not a valid path... it should be something like j2sdk1.4.2_10
> 
Sorry it was a typo. The directory of course is j2sdk1.4.2_10 as you
guessed correctly.

Alfred,






From ubuntu at tonix.org  Tue Dec  6 21:30:14 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:30:14 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 02:28:28PM -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
> On 12/6/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> > Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?
> 
> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
> 
> It'll only work until you reboot, however.

Eh!?  One of the funny quirks with Debian(/Ubuntu) (given Debian's
traditional emphasis on security) is that most servers start
immediately from install very often without giving you the chance to
fully configure them (and they continue after a reboot).

It's only something I became fully aware of when I went from Debian
to Gentoo and back? to Ubuntu.

Gentoo _never_ starts a server after installation until you've told
it explicitly to do so.  Much better IMO.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 21:33:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:33:07 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
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Albert Wrote: 
> Albert wrote:[color=blue]

> Removal' in Synaptic does not delete ~/.gconf/apps/baobab? I moved the
> 

> baobab folder from .Trash back to .gconf, rebooted, and then it
> appeared 

> in gconf editor.  I cleared the variable 'noscan' and reinstalled 

> Baobab.  This time it opened.  However, now the apps/baobab folder is 

> completely gone from my system; It is in neither ~/.gconf nor in 

> ~/.Trash.  Go figure.

> 

> Also, after a quick examination, it appears that the file sizes in the
> 

> directory tree are mislabeled by a couple of orders of magnitude, e.g.
> 

> my root directory shows 928 GB but the whole disk drive is only 30GB.

> 

> As a certified fool, I am very good at helping developers foolproof 

> their product :)

> 

> 



You should not play with .gonf files... I told you that, due to a bug
on a gconf key, you had only to opne the GConf Configuration Editor
from menu and clear the noscan key. That's it.

Tomorrow new version 2.2.1 will be online without this bug.



Concerning the size, try unchecking the "Allocated Size" checkbox. You
should have a file that erroneously reports an allocated size too
large. Try investingating with "Show all files in folder". This
function will show you both apparent and allocated sizes.

Sizes in Baobab has been deeply tested with GnomeVFS functions.


-- 
saltydog



From alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg  Wed Dec  7 08:21:31 2005
From: alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:21:31 +1100
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512060657w2dc10d67u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
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	<3f1760512060657w2dc10d67u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133943691.3870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:57 +0000, Dick Davies wrote:
> > On 12/5/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
> 
> > >  How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> > > environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> > > but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> > > of the java command is successful when I am in the directory containing the
> > > command and issuing a command for an example like so:
> > >
> > >  ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
> 
> Add the directory you are in to the path.
> 
> I should point out that /usr/bin/java is supposed to be a symlink into
> /etc/alternatives.
> 
> If you install a jdk 'The Debian (Ubuntu) Way[1], you'd use :
> 
> update-alternatives --set java /path/to/java command
> 
> to point the /usr/bin/java symlink where you want it to be.
> Do the same thing for javac, rmid, etc.
> 
> (some of these are taken care of automatically for you if you install with
> java-package) .
> 
> [1]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
> 
> --
> Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
> http://number9.hellooperator.net/
> 
Thanks. I'll try this pointer first and report the outcome to the list.
But I came to a conclusion overnight (10 hours ahead of GMT) that maybe
it was doing the installation the non-debian way that led to the
problem. I have downloaded the rpm packages from the Java site and will
convert them to the deb packages prior to installation. I hope that the
system will take care of itself this way. I already had an experience
with the installation of the OpenOffice2.0 with the help of the list so
I am sure that will be the way to go.

Alfred,






From sh at sourcecode.de  Tue Dec  6 21:50:48 2005
From: sh at sourcecode.de (Stephan Hermann)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:50:48 +0100
Subject: [Ubuntus MOTU School] Packaging without debhelper and/or CDBS
Message-ID: <200512062250.51729.sh@sourcecode.de>

Good Evening,

The Project "Ubuntus MOTU School" proudly presents:

Topic: Packaging without debhelper and/or CDBS
When: 10th of December, 17:00 UTC
Who: Andrew Mitchell <ajmitch ___at____ ubuntu dot com>

We are inviting YOU, yes we mean you, to join #ubuntu-motu-school on 
irc.freenode.net.

Andrew Mitchell will  give us a good introduction into Debian packaging 
without the help of debhelper or CDBS.

Why?

We, the MOTUs and as well the core devs of Ubuntu, think it's time to increase 
the level of education. Right now, it's quite difficult to enter the world of 
debian packaging and development. 

WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS!

And the best way to change this, is to have some lectures. 
Everybody who is interested to be involved in Ubuntu MOTU work and Ubuntu 
development and as well in Debian packaging is invited to join us.
Even MOTUs and Core Devs are learning every day new ways to improve 
themselves. And what we can, you can as well.


About Andrew Mitchell:

Andrew is Debian Developer and MOTU since January 2005. Actually to become a 
Debian Developer (abbrev.: DD) you will start as "Padawan", so you learn 
packaging from the ground. To speak of a "Master of the Universe" (abbrev.: 
MOTU) he is one of our heros in several transitions and merge runs. He knows 
what he is doing and is always very sensible to do no mistakes in his 
packages.
His opinions and views are appreciated all over the MOTUs.


About "Masters of the Universe":

The "Masters of the Universe" are responsible for Ubuntus "Universe and 
Multiverse" repositories.
We are a group of 25-30 people who are doing volunteer work for Ubuntu. We are 
all Ubuntu Members and stick with the CoC. We try to fix every package in 
Universe/Multiverse, we try to help other people to get their software into 
the Ubuntu Software Repositories. We try to change the world.
You will find the "MOTUs" in the #ubuntu-motu channel on irc.freenode.net.

Thank you for your attention,

Stephan Hermann aka \sh 

for the Ubuntu MOTU (School) Team.
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From senectus at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 22:00:10 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:00:10 +0800
Subject: Cyber Cafe?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512060827m7535cc8djc3358e884272fee9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512060827m7535cc8djc3358e884272fee9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512061400l5226414bw63a2b6ae72b39e18@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar <revant.one at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any project existing for ubuntu based cybercafe, (Ubuntu clients and Ubuntu
> server)
>  for Monitoring and billing, not for locking screen.
>
I'm not sure if this is what your after or not but these packages are
in the repository for that reason:
zbdesk
zeiberbude


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net

From gomadtroll at gci.net  Tue Dec  6 22:05:00 2005
From: gomadtroll at gci.net (Greg Madden)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:05:00 -0900
Subject: OT motherboard/cpu suggestions sought
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512061305.00342.gomadtroll@gci.net>

On Tuesday 06 December 2005 12:09, Todd Slater wrote:
> Well, the computer I built about 6 years ago is on its last legs and
> I'm looking to build another, but quite a lot has changed since I
> built my last one! I rather prefer to stick with AMD processors, but
> don't know whether to go with an AMD 64 or not. Also, what mobo
> chipset should I be looking for? If possible, I'd like to get a mobo
> with onboard sound and video to save a few $$ to start. Any "gotchas"
> I should be aware of in terms of using it with Ubuntu?
>
> This will be a family computer we'll use for photo organizing/editing,
> cd/dvd backup, and mostly general office apps--no gaming here.
>
> Feel free to respond off-list to keep the chatter down.
>
> TIA,
>
> Todd

If you stick with AMD, good thing to do imho, you will get a 64/32 bit cpu. 
The newerAMD's run 32 bit OS & 64 bit equally well for many situations. Not 
sure but AMD might not be making a pure 32 bit cpu anymore.


As for hardware there are many good choices, the only caveat is buying 
hardware not supported by Linux, still possible to do, so some research is 
advisable.
-- 
Greg Madden



From monotux at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 22:05:21 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:05:21 +0100
Subject: KDE menus
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512052335w5c9ebdb1ic4e889b2565b8fb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512052335w5c9ebdb1ic4e889b2565b8fb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051206230521.221ebbc6.monotux@gmail.com>

Have you tried using KDE with a fresh configuration - ie, making a new user (tmpuser) and see if you still have the same problems?

Oscar

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:05:15 +0530
(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar <revant.one at gmail.com> wrote:

> there are 2 problems whenever I use KDE,
> 
> 1) Only One of my user freezes when logged into kde, I've to physically
> restart the comp.
> 
> 2) In Kde's Main Menu, K button on taskbar, when I move over a section if
> there are many submenus, it spreads the section blocking the whole page? is
> there any option to make the sub section scroll like in gnome's menu.
> 
> 
> revant
> 
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 22:12:04 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:12:04 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
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Okay, they can ping each other. I did as you said, and the two machines
could ping happily all night. Ubuntu has a nice, clean UI for  setting up
the IP addresses, and you can indeed assign an IP address to the LAN ports
specifically. So good so far.

The question now is, how do you do anything more than just ping? I have set
each of the computers to share the users home directory with NFS, but all I
get when I open up Places->Networks is that it asks me for a whole bunch of
passwords in succession before finally leaving me with the usual empty
Windows network.

On 12/6/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sean Hammond wrote:
> > I can't try right now... but I don't know what I would ping anyway. Just
> > the host name of the machine, the name that appears after user@ in a
> > terminal? Or do I ping the IP address I have assigned the machine in
> > System-Administration-Networking?
>
> From what I understand, in your System-Admin-Networking, you should
> have assigned an IP specifically to your ethernet LAN port. This should
> enable the computer on the other end of the cable to ping *that* IP
> number.
>
> Also, are you currently running a firewall? If you are completely
> disconnected from the internet (just your two Ubuntu computers connected
> to each other), you can safely turn off the firewall, as it may (should)
> block certain IP traffic.
>
> -Steve.
> --
> Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 22:17:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:17:49 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bissej.1zn33a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i'm having similar problems with hibernate, and i was looking for some
help. i have a desktop, and i could hibernate fine under hoary (i would
go to SYstem->Log Out->Hibernate.) with breezy, it seems to hibernate
okay, but then when i go to restart it, it freezes and i need to press
the restart button (the keyboard seems dead as well.)

any ideas?

thanks


-- 
bissej



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec  6 22:43:55 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:43:55 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <20051206213014.GA9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
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On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 21:30 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 02:28:28PM -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
> > On 12/6/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> > > Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?
> > 
> > sudo apt-get install openssh-server
> > 
> > It'll only work until you reboot, however.
> 
> Eh!?  One of the funny quirks with Debian(/Ubuntu) (given Debian's
> traditional emphasis on security) is that most servers start
> immediately from install very often without giving you the chance to
> fully configure them (and they continue after a reboot).
> 
> It's only something I became fully aware of when I went from Debian
> to Gentoo and back? to Ubuntu.
> 
> Gentoo _never_ starts a server after installation until you've told
> it explicitly to do so.  Much better IMO.
> 
> -- 
> David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>
> 


It is a difference in philosophy.

Gentoo was a roll your own distribution ..


In Ubuntu they do thing for you....And this is not neither good or bad
it is just the way it is....   You buy into that went you purchase the
product.  

Being Linux you  are free to change all that...  Turn stuff on... Turn
stuff off....


My $0.02


Vram







From joantur at cancullet.org  Tue Dec  6 23:18:21 2005
From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
In-Reply-To: <bissej.1zn33a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bissej.1zn33a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512070018.23524.joantur@cancullet.org>

Es Dimarts, 6 de Desembre de 2005 23:17, en 'Forum Post, 
'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com va escriure:
| i'm having similar problems with hibernate, and i was looking for some
| help. i have a desktop, and i could hibernate fine under hoary (i would
| go to SYstem->Log Out->Hibernate.) with breezy, it seems to hibernate
| okay, but then when i go to restart it, it freezes and i need to press
| the restart button (the keyboard seems dead as well.)
|
| any ideas?
Same here; 5.04 worked almost out of the box (I had to add 2 modules 
to /etc/default/acpi-support), but 5.10 does not.

Hopefully I only need to use suspend, and it works...

Good luck  ;)

PD mine is a Benq JB7000
-- 
Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain
    Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org
       Yahoo & AIM: quini2k
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 23:18:23 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:18:23 +0000
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>

The default panel setup Ubuntu uses is okay, but how do different people on
this list configure their panels? Do people use panels other than the GNOME
panel? Links to screenshots?

I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default Ubuntu
setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing having two panels
taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a waste, and most of the
top panel is just empty and grey. I think I've come to the conclusion that
the default setup Ubuntu uses, probably just the GNOME default, was very
carefully chosen, because there doesn't really seem to be a better way with
these panels.
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From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 23:19:08 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:19:08 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
Message-ID: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow Ubuntu users,

I have just installed Ubuntu and want to know how I can connect to the
Internet without jeopardizing the security of my system.  I have just
installed 5.10 from one of the CDs I received from Ubuntu website.

Please help.

--

Asif



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec  6 23:33:51 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:33:51 -0700
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> Hello fellow Ubuntu users,
>
>I have just installed Ubuntu and want to know how I can connect to the
>Internet without jeopardizing the security of my system.  I have just
>installed 5.10 from one of the CDs I received from Ubuntu website.
>
>Please help.

One "tool kit" might include:
i) rootkithunter
ii) chkrootkit
iii) a firewall program (firestarter, firehol, shorewall, etc. all have 
their adherents -- don't ask which is best....a war could start!)
iv) antivirus program (clamav, f-prot)
v) tripwire
vi) aide

These will want to be installed and configured on your computer BEFORE you 
hit the web (maybe download from a different computer that is already on the 
web?)

HTH

Rob 




From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 23:35:22 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:35:22 -0500
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133912122.30172.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

By default no services (Things like HTTP Servers, FTP Servers, SSH
Servers, etc) are installed by default, thus no ports are listening in a
default Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu install. To see for yourself open a
terminal and run "netstat -l" and look at the top (You'll have to Shift
+PageUp a couple times). If there are things called
localhost at localdomain listening its okay (these are listening on what is
called the Local Loopback device, which is basically the computer
listening to itself).

In short unless you install a server, none will be listening :P

~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 15:19 -0800, Asif Lodhi wrote:
> Hello fellow Ubuntu users,
> 
> I have just installed Ubuntu and want to know how I can connect to the
> Internet without jeopardizing the security of my system.  I have just
> installed 5.10 from one of the CDs I received from Ubuntu website.
> 
> Please help.
> 
> --
> 
> Asif
> 
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From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 23:38:45 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:38:45 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133912325.30172.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I personally don't use GNOME anymore, but I can digup screenshots to
what it used to look like.

Last GNOME Desktop
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/2/1/1/9/7/Screenshot_872128.png

Then I used XFCE for a while:
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/2/1/1/9/7/Screenshot-2.png

And now I use Fluxbox
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/2/1/1/9/7/gkrellShoot_12-01-05_165539.jpg

~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:
> The default panel setup Ubuntu uses is okay, but how do different
> people on this list configure their panels? Do people use panels other
> than the GNOME panel? Links to screenshots?
> 
> I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default
> Ubuntu setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing
> having two panels taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a
> waste, and most of the top panel is just empty and grey. I think I've
> come to the conclusion that the default setup Ubuntu uses, probably
> just the GNOME default, was very carefully chosen, because there
> doesn't really seem to be a better way with these panels.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec  6 23:39:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:39:39 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Small Business Server
References: <509d63b70510030553u21af977bu4af5e1498f62ced1@mail.gmail.com><d12e5c90510030618j2ece6cebna11680347892b5e5@mail.gmail.com><509d63b70510030637w3f2b01fbwde76971e39fa85bf@mail.gmail.com><amerigo5.1wc2ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><sebastjanp.1z5vna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d12e5c90511271256m28897554xc135b926dd4ada7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kejar31.1zn6sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have just setup Ubuntu as a SBS for company I consult for.



Setup is as follows



Samba3 PDC / LDAP Authentication



Kolab using the same LDAP Server



Toltec outlook connector ( only 13 buck a seat )



I was able to set up roaming profiles/ home drives startup script,
shared calendering address books and email. Users can also change there
password with Ctrl alt del and machines are automatically added to the
OU=Computer when they join the domain. I have also set a default
profile for new users. The only thing left is the ability to push
software to the desktop. I am also reviewing setting up a mac to this
network.



GPO�s would be nice but I can live without them





To administer it all I use LAM


-- 
kejar31



From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 23:29:59 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:29:59 +0000
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43961EF7.6080304@yahoo.co.uk>

connecting to the internet is very low risk on ubuntu. until you start running servers on you system you hardly need worry.

ubuntu has no open ports by default

if you are paranoid, you could set up the firewall. firestarter is a good tool for this.

sam

Asif Lodhi wrote:
> Hello fellow Ubuntu users,
> 
> I have just installed Ubuntu and want to know how I can connect to the
> Internet without jeopardizing the security of my system.  I have just
> installed 5.10 from one of the CDs I received from Ubuntu website.
> 
> Please help.
> 
> --
> 
> Asif
> 

	
	
		
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Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec  6 23:45:28 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:45:28 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu Small Business Server
References: <509d63b70510030553u21af977bu4af5e1498f62ced1@mail.gmail.com><d12e5c90510030618j2ece6cebna11680347892b5e5@mail.gmail.com><509d63b70510030637w3f2b01fbwde76971e39fa85bf@mail.gmail.com><amerigo5.1wc2ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><sebastjanp.1z5vna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><d12e5c90511271256m28897554xc135b926dd4ada7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<kejar31.1zn6sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <005101c5fabf$23854040$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> I have just setup Ubuntu as a SBS for company I consult for.
> Setup is as follows
> Samba3 PDC / LDAP Authentication
> Kolab using the same LDAP Server
> Toltec outlook connector ( only 13 buck a seat )
> I was able to set up roaming profiles/ home drives startup script,
> shared calendering address books and email. Users can also change there
> password with Ctrl alt del and machines are automatically added to the
> OU=Computer when they join the domain. I have also set a default
> profile for new users. The only thing left is the ability to push
> software to the desktop. I am also reviewing setting up a mac to this
> network.
> GPO’s would be nice but I can live without them
> To administer it all I use LAM
> -- 
> kejar31

A great chance to write something up (with somewhat more detail) for a wiki!

Rob 




From lists at userdox.com  Tue Dec  6 23:45:42 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff Purchase)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:45:42 +1100
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <1133912122.30172.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133912122.30172.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439622A6.8090803@userdox.com>

Chris Peterman wrote:
> By default no services (Things like HTTP Servers, FTP Servers, SSH
> Servers, etc) are installed by default, thus no ports are listening in a
> default Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu install. To see for yourself open a
> terminal and run "netstat -l" and look at the top (You'll have to Shift
> +PageUp a couple times). If there are things called
> localhost at localdomain listening its okay (these are listening on what is
> called the Local Loopback device, which is basically the computer
> listening to itself).
> 
> In short unless you install a server, none will be listening :P
> 
> ~ Chris Peterman

Well I'm building a server for my home network.  Can anyone point me to the information I need to ensure my server is secure when I add it to my network?  It will be behind my router (http://www.billion.com/product/wireless/bipac7500g.htm).

Thanks,

Geoff



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Tue Dec  6 23:46:35 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:46:35 +0100
Subject: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
Message-ID: <1133912796.27779.66.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

It's time again for another report from CC-land. This meeting brought us
new members, arguing about the forums and several other things.

The members of the community council (currently Mark Shuttleworth,
Benjamin Hill, Colin Watson and James Troup) can now be reached via the
e-mailaddress community-council at lists.ubuntu.com This list will not be
publicly archived and is only meant for contacting the council.

Christian Reis braught two launchpad related items to our attention.
First the current term for "person who has signed the Ubuntu code of
conduct" has been changed from Ubuntite to Ubuntero. This change has not
happened everywhere, causing confusion. The term Ubuntero is also not
gender neutral. Mark Shuttleworth will solve this inconsistency (if
anyone sees ubuntite anywere, file a bug on launchpad). A new term for
"person who has signed the Ubuntu code of conduct" will have to be the
subject of another meeting.
Second, there is a typo in the code of conduct. Colin Watson will
proofread the complete code of conduct and a new version will be
uploaded to launchpad afterwards. It will not be required to sign this
new version if you already signed version 1.0

Kevin Cole (on behalf of the US locoteams) braught forward the proposal
of naming the local us teams us-$state or us-$state-$region_or_city.
Matthias Ulrich will take care of the technical details (DNS).

Several people have filed complaints about problems at the forums. These
problems involved a disagreement around the 'Automatix' software. Even
though some people took this opportunity to argue/complain about the
forum staff, this was highly irrelevant (see also below). The
disagreement mainly involved licensing and Benjamin Hill will contact
the people involved to try and settle this.

New members:

* Benjamin Hill gave his OK for Mauricio Hernandez, who was 
  half-approved last time.

* The Community Council still struggles with how to judge advocacy. 
  Fabián Rodríguez has fallen victim to that situation, as he could not 
  yet be approved this time. Fabián has made progress in documenting 
  his advocacy and Dennis Kaarsemaker will try to contact people for 
  testimonials.

* Jordan Mantha has done good work for the motu, mainly merging 
  packages and creating the Motu Science team. The Motu cheerleader 
  squad welcomed him aboard the Ubuntu ship.

* Chris Peterman has been actively supporting Ubuntu users on the forum 
  and on IRC since May. He is also promoting (Ed)Ubuntu in New York. He
  has been approved as Ubuntu member.

* Raphael Pinson has done nice reviewing work in the past few weeks. 
  His contributions however started with this reviewing, only a few 
  weeks ago. If he continues to make this contribution sustained and 
  significant, he should applay again in a few weeks.

* Kevin Cole has contributed to oth the documentation team,
  accessibility and Edubuntu. For this contribution he has been 
  welcomed aboard.

* Steve Kowalik has only recently become active in the MOTU team, but 
  has been a Debian developer since 2001. He has learned the MOTU way 
  of doing things very quickly and already helps out a lot. The CC 
  members were happy to drag him aboard the Ubuntu ship.

* Zygmunt Krynicki came back for his second try and brought Michael
  Vogt and Martin Pitt with him to vouch for him. He has almost been 
  welcomed as Ubuntu member for his work in translations and 
  translation support. Benjamin Hill had to leave early so he will have 
  to finalize the voting. 

* Michael Banck has been defered to the next meeting.

The date and time of next meeting still have to be scheduled. It will be
scheduled on a different day and time than usual, per the request of
several people. I will contact the regular visitors and CC members about
this later.

Well after the meeting was over, Ryan Troy arrived with a bad temper,
saying that he was "sick of all the bullshit with the forums and the
CC". After lots of discussion it was clear that he has mistaken the CC
agenda, which anyone can edit, for an official opinion of the CC.

It is clear that the CC has little knowledge of how the forums work and
that this needs to change. This topic will be covered next meeting.

-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec  6 23:48:53 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:48:53 +1100
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061412t469b6fa5v5a6e4b7edaa7652@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4395E1E8.60503@gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061412t469b6fa5v5a6e4b7edaa7652@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207104853.c5a3c6c2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:12:04 +0000
Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:

> The question now is, how do you do anything more than just ping? I have set
> each of the computers to share the users home directory with NFS, but all I
> get when I open up Places->Networks is that it asks me for a whole bunch of
> passwords in succession before finally leaving me with the usual empty
> Windows network.

For setting up NFS I found this howto useful:

http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/

NFS mounts won't appear under Places-Network ( I find this unintuitive,
too) They will appear in Places - Computer, and an icon will appear under
Computer in the Places menu when they are mounted. You will also get
an icon on the Gnome desktop when the share is mounted. You can mount from
the Computer"place", and unmount from a right click on the icon, or from
the Computer place in Nautilus.

I can't help  with Samba, as I've only played with it,, and decided NFS
was better for my needs on a simple small network with only Linux
machines.

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 00:05:33 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:05:33 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob and everyone else who replied,

On 12/6/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Good afternoon!
> These will want to be installed and configured on your computer BEFORE you
> hit the web (maybe download from a different computer that is already on the
> web?)

Shamefully, I do not know _how_ to connect to the Internet? :)  What
should I do to connect my PC to the Internet?  Only after that I can
download all the stuff you have mentioned! :)  I mean I don't know how
to create a dial-up internet connection and how to use it from a
normal user account other than root.

Thank you in advance.

--
Best regards,

Asif



From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Wed Dec  7 00:08:31 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:08:31 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <439622A6.8090803@userdox.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133912122.30172.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439622A6.8090803@userdox.com>
Message-ID: <1133914111.29694.15.camel@journeyhawk>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 10:45 +1100, Geoff Purchase wrote:
> Well I'm building a server for my home network.  Can anyone point me
> to the information I need to ensure my server is secure when I add it
> to my network?  It will be behind my router...

As long as it's hidden behind the router and the router is configured so
that:

      * It has an Internet IP on the WAN interface, provided by your ISP
      * It has a non-Internet route-able IP address (See: RFC 1918) on
        the LAN interface, and
      * performs NAT (network address translation) so that hosts on your
        LAN that access hosts on the Internet appear to the Internet as
        being coming from the router WAN IP.
      * By default, it should not forward any ports to any hosts on the
        inside.  Those should be explicit settings you are in control of
        via the router user interface.
      * Since the LAN IP are not route-able across the Internet, nothing
        out there can route a packet in to them to initiate a
        connection.  They can connect out, and return packets related to
        those connections are routed back to the originating host.

As long as you are aware of what ports are forwarded to what hosts on
the inside, you are safe.  For instance, you can safely run an ftp
server on your LAN, and it will not be accessible from the Internet.  I
like to run vsftpd inside my LAN, since ftp works better with
Gnome-VFS[1] than SMB does --- it's easier to set up and more natural to
use than Samba.

If you look on the Linux Documentation Project web site, you'll find
things about NAT and IP Masquerading, as well as Netfilter (iptables)
and Linux based routers.

I have a LinkSYS WRT54G running OpenWRT.  It's pretty nice.  The latest
version has a web interface that does most of what I needed, other than
installing a few rules into the /etc/firewall.user script.

[1] Places --> Connect to Server..., FTP.
-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From lists at userdox.com  Wed Dec  7 00:12:12 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff Purchase)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:12:12 +1100
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <1133914111.29694.15.camel@journeyhawk>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>	<1133912122.30172.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439622A6.8090803@userdox.com>
	<1133914111.29694.15.camel@journeyhawk>
Message-ID: <439628DC.30502@userdox.com>

Karl Hegbloom wrote:

<lots of good infor snipped>

Thank you!



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec  7 00:44:55 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:44:55 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133916295.19007.138.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 16:05 -0800, Asif Lodhi wrote:
> Hi Rob and everyone else who replied,
> 
> On 12/6/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > Good afternoon!
> > These will want to be installed and configured on your computer BEFORE you
> > hit the web (maybe download from a different computer that is already on the
> > web?)
> 
> Shamefully, I do not know _how_ to connect to the Internet? :)  What
> should I do to connect my PC to the Internet?  Only after that I can
> download all the stuff you have mentioned! :)  I mean I don't know how
> to create a dial-up internet connection and how to use it from a
> normal user account other than root.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Asif
> 



How do you plan on connecting???


Dial-up, DSL or some other type of Broadband???

Tell us that and then we can help


Vram






From albertwagner at cox.net  Wed Dec  7 00:42:01 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:42:01 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
<snip>
> You should not play with .gonf files... 
And you should not accuse me of 'playing'.  I tried to get rid of the 
baobab config file when it became obvious that removing Baobab did not 
do so.  Attempting to reinstall Baobab was ineffective because of the 
persistence of bad data in the config file from the previous install.

> I told you that, due to a bug
> on a gconf key, you had only to opne the GConf Configuration Editor
> from menu and clear the noscan key. That's it.

Indeed, "That's it".  Unfortunately, this information from you came to 
me AFTER I had moved the config file to trash, AFTER it was left 
corrupted by Baobab.

> Tomorrow new version 2.2.1 will be online without this bug.
> 
> Concerning the size, try unchecking the "Allocated Size" checkbox.

I assume you mean the "Allocated Space" checkbox.  What is the function 
of a checked "Allocated Space" checkbox, except to display erroneous 
diskspace figures?  BTW, you discard that change to the checkbox and it 
therefore always starts with the boxed checked.  Very tedious to 
remember to uncheck it and manually start the scan with every startup.

> You
> should have a file that erroneously reports an allocated size too
> large. 

By your reasoning I would have to have such a file in many directories:

Baobab reports allocated space so:
etc		7.7GB
lib		46.9GB
mnt		343.3GB
var		40.3GB
usr		370.1GB
usr/lib		176.0GB
usr/X11R6	3.5GB
usr/share	162.7GB
etc, etc. etc.
I think if you will cease to be so defensive and examine your code, you 
will find a bug accounts for these erroneous sizes, and not some rogue 
"file that erroneously reports an allocated size too large."

> Try investingating with "Show all files in folder". 

I assume you mean "List all files in folder".

> This function will show you both apparent and allocated sizes. 
> Sizes in Baobab has been deeply tested with GnomeVFS functions.

So?  Have you verified that what is being posted to the screen is what 
is actually being reported by your functions?  You have a bug, son. 
Plain and simple.  There is no need to get snippy with me and attempt to 
shift the blame.  What are the chances that a standard Ubuntu install on 
a common Dell box with be cluttered with rogue files "that erroneously 
reports an allocated size too large."





From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Wed Dec  7 00:42:25 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:42:25 -0700
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com><002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon, Asif!

>Hi Rob and everyone else who replied,
>
>Shamefully, I do not know _how_ to connect to the Internet? :)  What
>should I do to connect my PC to the Internet?  Only after that I can
>download all the stuff you have mentioned! :)

My apologies. I assumed (in error) that you had a non-dial up account with 
an ISP and that you had access to an Internet computer.

I have never done an installation of Ubuntu using a dial-up service 
provider. Groping in the dark here.

>  I mean I don't know how
>to create a dial-up internet connection and how to use it from a
>normal user account other than root.

So you CAN get on the internet as root but not as a user? If so, open your 
"users and groups" application. (It is in one of the drop down menus). 
Getting permission to use the dial up as a user would be a simple case of 
adding your username to the relelvant "group".

Hope this (sort of) helps. Wish I could help more.

Rob




From jgotangco at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 01:21:15 2005
From: jgotangco at gmail.com (Jerome Gotangco)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:21:15 +0800
Subject: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED RE: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
In-Reply-To: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C91047549@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
References: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C91047549@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
Message-ID: <c138e6150512061721h3aa9343er253a2b4270721e99@mail.gmail.com>

The forums are financially supported in part, thus making it official
and recognized (if it wasn't we would probably not even discuss in
depth about it in the CC meetings). What Ryan argues is that the CoC
does not fit specifically to a forum setting as we have discussed last
night after the meeting.

Actually this wasn't the reason why the forums were discussed again.
It was about possible violations of licensing on a community project
that started in the forums. There was a misunderstanding on what was
listed on the wiki page. The key here is proper communication. For
many times, the CC listed forum issues and invited parties involved
but no one came or only one side came to give their story.

Jerome Gotangco
jgotangco at ubuntu.com | jgotangco at gmail.com
Mobile: +639196555242
GPG: 0xA97B69A0



From dlaude at usadig.com  Wed Dec  7 01:29:53 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:29:53 -0700
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <200512061829.53199.dlaude@usadig.com>

On Tuesday 06 December 2005 08:17, Tom Marshall wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 10:43:16PM -0700, Dana J. Laude wrote:
> > Just a FYI,
> >
> > I just moved over to kubuntu from SuSE 10.0 and got my dual-head
> > setup working just fine.  Here's my working xorg.conf.
>
> Thanks for the info.  I setup the same configuration a couple weeks
> ago and this looks very similar (if not identical) to mine.
>
> I did run into one problem though: hardware OpenGL is not working. 
> Does it work for you?  If so, would you mind helping me out?

I just checked by running glxinfo and glxgears, it was SLOW.  Another
thing is that it seems that the DRI is not loading, at least according 
to the output from glxinfo.  After a bit of research I solved part of 
the problem by dropping my default depth from 24 to 16, which
speeded things up some.  Now I just have to do some more digging
on the DRI issue.

Dana



From wade at wadesmart.com  Wed Dec  7 02:14:22 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:14:22 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com> <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>
	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <4396457E.60503@wadesmart.com>

12062005 2008 GMT-5

I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked 
the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate. 
Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it 
activates. How can I solve this?

Wade



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec  7 02:20:40 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:20:40 +0100
Subject: VMWare : how to access shared folders (Ubuntu as guest OS) ???
Message-ID: <1133922040.8117.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I just installed the latest (5.5) VMWare workstation on Breezy. 
It's an amazing piece of software... I will be very sad indeed, when the
30 day trial period expires...

Question: I created a virtual machine to install Windows XP, works
perfectly, and I can access shared folders in Windows file manager,
under "network neighbourhood", easy.

But today, I got the idea of creating another virtual machine, to run
Linux. I installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake into it. It's very practical,
this way I can update Dapper and assess the changes, without having to
leave Breezy to reboot the machine. It's also ideal as I can take
"snapshots" of Dapper, so that I can easily/quickly recover it, in case
some update screws things up badly (kernel, Xorg...)
But I can't see how to access my shared folder in Dapper. There is
nothing obvious in Nautilus, no network shares or anything. 
Where does VMWware map shared folders when the guest OS is
Linux/Ubuntu ??

Thank you very much in advance ! :-)


--
Vince




From c.peterman at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:24:41 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:24:41 -0500
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <4396457E.60503@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
	<43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net> <43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
	<4396457E.60503@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1133922281.806.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hmm try launching it from a Terminal and paste the output

~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 20:14 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12062005 2008 GMT-5
> 
> I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked 
> the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate. 
> Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it 
> activates. How can I solve this?
> 
> Wade
> 
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec  7 02:30:53 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:30:53 +1100
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net> <saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net> <4394F150.3000700@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org> <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net> <saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20051207133053.8a83e3d5.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:42:01 -0600
Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:

> Forum Post wrote:
> <snip>
> > You should not play with .gonf files... 
> And you should not accuse me of 'playing'. 

<snipped aggressive confrontational stuff>

Please calm down. This is software, not holy writ.

If we needed flame wars, we could find them on other lists.
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:32:47 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:32:47 -0500
Subject: OT motherboard/cpu suggestions sought
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512061832h48de8ba5lb309b25284add632@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Todd Slater <dontodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, the computer I built about 6 years ago is on its last legs and
> I'm looking to build another, but quite a lot has changed since I
> built my last one! I rather prefer to stick with AMD processors, but
> don't know whether to go with an AMD 64 or not. Also, what mobo
> chipset should I be looking for? If possible, I'd like to get a mobo
> with onboard sound and video to save a few $$ to start. Any "gotchas"
> I should be aware of in terms of using it with Ubuntu?
>
> This will be a family computer we'll use for photo organizing/editing,
> cd/dvd backup, and mostly general office apps--no gaming here.
>
> Feel free to respond off-list to keep the chatter down.

I just recently upgraded to a dual core amd64 cpu, on an NForce4
motherboard (gigabyte, a8n-sli?) and it runs fantastic with Ubuntu.

It's probably a little overkill for you though - so a lower-end amd64
would do you fine. A motherboard with the nforce4 chipset is good. 
Lots of support for various devices, firewire, usb2, pci-express,
serial ata, *good* onboard audio (yes I said good, it exists), and all
the normal stuff.   All supported by Ubuntu without any major issues.

If you're not really one to fiddle around with ubuntu, I do however,
recommend sticking with the 32bit version (it works fine and fast on
amd64's) until Dapper (Ubuntu 6.04) is ready.  Since, there are a few
minor inconveneinces with 64bit and 3rd party plugins (flash, and
various firefox extensions for example will not work)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:36:54 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:06:54 +0530
Subject: ICEWM
In-Reply-To: <20051206120253.74ddce86@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d5bd99f70512051905h3d58b1f1nc69db65d5ccab3d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133844352.11309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d5bd99f70512060006q473eafbdj92ad1350395c9113@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb39d0990512060700u513edc8dy9ba4a844b371ae91@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512060832gf135088x7d3595f8ee872079@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051206120253.74ddce86@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512061836h51294d00va290c3402be6439a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys.That really helped.Yes I can see the other windows managers in
the ICEwm menu.
CHeers
Vignesh

On 12/6/05, Cybe R. Wizard <cyber_wizard at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:02:59 +0530
> VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I installed wm,9wm,twm none of them were there in the list.How do I
> > add
> > them.
>
> For some reason not all the WMs will show up in the gdm chooser.  I
> think they all show up in the IceWM menu, at least if you have
> installed <menu> and run <update-menus>.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard -changed the .sig due to recent complaints
> --
> Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission
> critical applications, and - due to it's open source code - has a
> long term credibility which exceeds many other competitive OS's.
>         Vinod Valloppillil of MicroSoft Corp.
>                         Winduhs
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:35:44 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:35:44 +0000
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133912325.30172.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <86pso9r5vj.fsf@gmail.com>

cant see anything.
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From perlero at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:39:43 2005
From: perlero at gmail.com (mi cuenta)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:39:43 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
Message-ID: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>

hello:

We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop

my question is

Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
is it safe to use  packages from universe ?

I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
on a safe box


I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll

those are just doubts

Thank You

leonel
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec  7 02:47:42 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:47:42 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133923662.3931.117.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 18:39, mi cuenta wrote:
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the
> net ?

Yes.

> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?

It varies.  Ubuntu issued a security fix for MySQL 4.1 in
Universe yesterday.  Other packages may not get as much
attention.

--Mike Bird




From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:53:26 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg Belokamen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:53:26 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f3bd8840512061853m4b487da6j@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/12/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
Depends what you consider critical.

> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
Depends what you consider safe.
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:55:57 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:55:57 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512061855l339f6700ycf245abbc4934041@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
I use Ubuntu as my web server, it's been perfectly solid and stable
the whole time.
I use packages from Universe and haven't had any issue's *yet*

What you will find is that it doesn't really matter what you use an
"Ubuntu" machine for, the build quality, documentation and support
will always be the same high standard. If you think it's a solid
desktop you can expect the same solidness from the server product as
well.


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 02:59:02 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:59:02 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512061859u551640b3g3fd1d8084cdb4305@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box

I would say yes to both.  Mainly because I do use it as such. :)

Universe doesn't get the guarenteed security updates that main does,
however, they do roll in for packages that are important. (mysql for
example, i believe it is an exact replica of Debian stable's mysql
package so when it gets updated in debian, it gets updated in ubuntu
-- a lot of packages are in this same category.)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 03:06:11 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:06:11 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512061906q6d16aefah84cef2fc33110cc5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> The default panel setup Ubuntu uses is okay, but how do different people on
> this list configure their panels? Do people use panels other than the GNOME
> panel? Links to screenshots?
>
>  I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default Ubuntu
> setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing having two panels
> taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a waste, and most of the
> top panel is just empty and grey. I think I've come to the conclusion that
> the default setup Ubuntu uses, probably just the GNOME default, was very
> carefully chosen, because there doesn't really seem to be a better way with
> these panels.

I play around too, but I always end up with one on top and one on the
bottom.  The only difference is the location of the applets... I also
make my bottom bar (the one with the task bar) fatter so it holds two
rows of tasks.  But really, that's it.

I've never really had the desire to customize it further.

Default-ish is good, but it's nice to have the option to play around. :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From hwbj at twcny.rr.com  Wed Dec  7 03:13:01 2005
From: hwbj at twcny.rr.com (Harold Bibik)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:13:01 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133925182.6271.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:

> I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default
> Ubuntu setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing
> having two panels taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a
> waste, and most of the top panel is just empty and grey. I think I've
> come to the conclusion that the default setup Ubuntu uses, probably
> just the GNOME default, was very carefully chosen, because there
> doesn't really seem to be a better way with these panels.

I can describe what I've done.  I use only one panel that goes
completely across the top of the screen. From left to right on it are;
Main Menu, Window List, Workplace Switcher, and Deskbar
applets. Then I have icons from 8-10 of my most used apps, then the
Notification Area, Weather, Calendar and finally Log Out applets.

I keep it as narrow as possible, so it doesn't wast a lot of real
estate. It's always on top so I have quick access to my most used apps.
I prefer the Window List applet over the Window Selector. Deskbar is an
amazing applet that lets you search for anything on your computer or on
the net....I've set up hotkeys to launch terminals, switch workspaces,
etc. I also use gkrellm
to monitor the system and use the gkrellmlaunch plugin to open Nautilus
windows of my most used directories for quick file browsing. Gkrellm is
set to  remain under other windows so it
doesn't waste space.

I've tried different things but I always end up going back to something
like this.

Just experiment and try different things, you'll figure out what works
best for you



    
 -- 
"If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything."
 --------------------------------------------------  
     Harold Bibik   hwbj at twcny.rr.com 




From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Wed Dec  7 03:16:20 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:16:20 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
Message-ID: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Installed Ubuntu-5.10 on Dell Demention 4500; unit has 80g of storage,
512m memory.

Unit continually freezes; mouse will erratically jump around screen from
time to time.

Help please.

Raymond




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 03:13:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:13:39 -0500
Subject: Ratess will skyrocket soon
References: <844r536c.5736718@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLTicklemonster.1zngza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


WE get these at utmappers.com, but they usually at least have pron links
in them before I delete them...


-- 
BLTicklemonster



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 03:26:17 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:26:17 +0800
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512061926r1f2486d2g451772e2822f2d56@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, Raymond <support at bigriverinfotech.com> wrote:
> Installed Ubuntu-5.10 on Dell Demention 4500; unit has 80g of storage,
> 512m memory.
>
> Unit continually freezes; mouse will erratically jump around screen from
> time to time.
>
If you killall -9 X and GDM
and just run from console does it still freeze up?
While your doing that It'd be a good idea to filter through the
/var/log/ log files to find anything that looks explanatory..


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 03:36:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:36:44 -0500
Subject: Clock is Running Twice Normal Speed
References: <Xns9719EC53ADC8Bfhahnyahoocom@80.91.229.5>
Message-ID: <vegos.1znhwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i have the same problem, it seems that it happens on 64bit processors
with 32 breezy. Any help will be appreciated.


-- 
vegos



From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 03:44:18 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:44:18 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512061944n419467c4n2c2ec72d8f91e315@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Raymond <support at bigriverinfotech.com> wrote:
> Installed Ubuntu-5.10 on Dell Demention 4500; unit has 80g of storage,
> 512m memory.
>
> Unit continually freezes; mouse will erratically jump around screen from
> time to time.
>
> Help please.

Does it have ATI Video?

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From josh at dotmil.org  Wed Dec  7 03:46:04 2005
From: josh at dotmil.org (Josh King)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:46:04 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43965AFC.5030101@dotmil.org>

mi cuenta wrote:
> hello:
> 
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
> 
> my question is
> 
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
> 
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and 
> stored on a safe box
> 
> 
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
> 
> those are just doubts
> 
> Thank You
> 
> leonel
> 

I too have been running a version of Breezy server on a test basis. So 
far it has performed as well as or better than the normal Sarge machines 
that I use.

Just keep an eye out for possible vulnerabilities and you should be fine.

-- 
http://dotmiltech.com

http://debcentral.org



From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Wed Dec  7 03:49:27 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott Henson)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:49:27 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43965BC7.9090905@csee.wvu.edu>

Raymond wrote:

>Installed Ubuntu-5.10 on Dell Demention 4500; unit has 80g of storage,
>512m memory.
>
>Unit continually freezes; mouse will erratically jump around screen from
>time to time.
>
>Help please.
>  
>

Ive seen this problem before.  It seems to happen most with P4's. 
Basically you have a kernel installed on your system that is able to run
on any ia32 system.  But, I have found that on some P4's it runs like
crap and you get the behavior your experiencing.  To fix this you need
to install a 686 kernel.  You can do this by installing the linux-686
package(if you have a pentium 2, 3, or 4, or linux-k7 if you have any
athlon).  This should make your system perform as you expect it. 



From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Wed Dec  7 03:52:40 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:52:40 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512061944n419467c4n2c2ec72d8f91e315@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512061944n419467c4n2c2ec72d8f91e315@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133927560.8031.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> Does it have ATI Video?

Yes, Gnome Device Manager shows a Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF




From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Wed Dec  7 04:16:53 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:16:53 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <43965BC7.9090905@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43965BC7.9090905@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <1133929013.7797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> Ive seen this problem before.  It seems to happen most with P4's. 
> Basically you have a kernel installed on your system that is able to run
> on any ia32 system.  But, I have found that on some P4's it runs like
> crap and you get the behavior your experiencing.  To fix this you need
> to install a 686 kernel.  You can do this by installing the linux-686
> package(if you have a pentium 2, 3, or 4, or linux-k7 if you have any
> athlon).  This should make your system perform as you expect it. 

Applied the 686 kernel and rebooted; so far so good; will know for sure
in the next day or so and update status.

Many thanks.

Raymond





From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 04:18:52 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:18:52 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <1133925182.6271.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133925182.6271.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512062018n3a022ba1k23e974ad5d539071@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, Harold Bibik <hwbj at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:
>
> > I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default
> > Ubuntu setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing
> > having two panels taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a
> > waste, and most of the top panel is just empty and grey. I think I've
> > come to the conclusion that the default setup Ubuntu uses, probably
> > just the GNOME default, was very carefully chosen, because there
> > doesn't really seem to be a better way with these panels.
>
> I can describe what I've done.  I use only one panel that goes
> completely across the top of the screen. From left to right on it are;
> Main Menu, Window List, Workplace Switcher, and Deskbar
> applets. Then I have icons from 8-10 of my most used apps, then the
> Notification Area, Weather, Calendar and finally Log Out applets.
[snip]

Neat, I just installed Deskbar and it seens very nice.  Good call :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From sio4 at users.sourceforge.net  Wed Dec  7 04:28:03 2005
From: sio4 at users.sourceforge.net (SiO4, Yong Hwan)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:28:03 +0900
Subject: VMWare : how to access shared folders (Ubuntu as guest OS) ???
In-Reply-To: <1133922040.8117.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133922040.8117.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439664D3.8080503@users.sourceforge.net>

/mnt/hgfs/<share name>


On 2005년 12월 07일 11:20, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed the latest (5.5) VMWare workstation on Breezy. 
> It's an amazing piece of software... I will be very sad indeed, when the
> 30 day trial period expires...
> 
> Question: I created a virtual machine to install Windows XP, works
> perfectly, and I can access shared folders in Windows file manager,
> under "network neighbourhood", easy.
> 
> But today, I got the idea of creating another virtual machine, to run
> Linux. I installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake into it. It's very practical,
> this way I can update Dapper and assess the changes, without having to
> leave Breezy to reboot the machine. It's also ideal as I can take
> "snapshots" of Dapper, so that I can easily/quickly recover it, in case
> some update screws things up badly (kernel, Xorg...)
> But I can't see how to access my shared folder in Dapper. There is
> nothing obvious in Nautilus, no network shares or anything. 
> Where does VMWware map shared folders when the guest OS is
> Linux/Ubuntu ??
> 
> Thank you very much in advance ! :-)
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 
> 




From patiodragon at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 04:48:06 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:48:06 -0500
Subject: Inventoy solution?
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512062048t7c4bc061tcb67b491b1158062@mail.gmail.com>

>  Thanks for the reply. I'd love to do all that stuff to be honest but im
> mostly concerned just to be able to track inventory. Do you have any
> suggestions? But my first concern is how can I connect the warehouse to my
> office where the server is?
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Charles
>
Hi Charles,

You just say "track inventory" and that is pretty vague.  Do you have
bar codes and/or  databases, spread sheets, etc.?

I think that ssh is pretty secure and you shouldn't need too much setup.
http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-notes/linux-notes/rsync-ssh-notes.html

good luck,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From albertwagner at cox.net  Wed Dec  7 04:49:25 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:49:25 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <20051207133053.8a83e3d5.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>
	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
	<20051207133053.8a83e3d5.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <439669D5.2000704@cox.net>

Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:42:01 -0600
> Albert <albertwagner at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Forum Post wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>You should not play with .gonf files... 
>>
>>And you should not accuse me of 'playing'. 
> 
> 
> <snipped aggressive confrontational stuff>
> 
> Please calm down. This is software, not holy writ.
> 
> If we needed flame wars, we could find them on other lists.

I think you replied to the wrong poster, Peter.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 04:57:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:57:25 -0500
Subject: OT motherboard/cpu suggestions sought
References: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arjaybe.1znlly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I put an Athlon on an ASRock motherboard and it's working fine.  I'm
running several 64-bit OSes with no serious problems.  The ASRock is
cheap and it works, including good onboard audio, video and ethernet. 
Had to fiddle the video a bit.  (S3 Graphics Unichrome Pro)  None of
the distributions I've used has a driver for it so they fall back to
VESA.  I managed to find a solution on these forums for that.



The only thing I haven't done is try a 32-bit distro yet.  Looking
forward to that.


-- 
arjaybe



From pstoddard61 at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 05:03:19 2005
From: pstoddard61 at earthlink.net (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:03:19 -0800
Subject: Wrong hard link count?
Message-ID: <1133931800.6347.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi folks

I usually get this message when executing the find command on my newly
installed breezy badger system (2.6.12-10-powerpc).  Can someone tell me
how to fix it?

> find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong 
> for /proc: this may be a bug in your filesystem 
> driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf 
> option.  Earlier results may have failed to include 
> directories that should have been searched.
> 

Thanks
Pete




From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 05:05:32 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:05:32 +0800
Subject: Inventoy solution?
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512062048t7c4bc061tcb67b491b1158062@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512042341j4312cdaeof097f39b851274a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512050532nb1398b5i86a8942f45cfd0c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512050544m45530701tdd7c0e0f2a9dd306@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512062048t7c4bc061tcb67b491b1158062@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512062105y151e4929j8f2ad2e54714d7e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Thanks for the reply. I'd love to do all that stuff to be honest but im
> > mostly concerned just to be able to track inventory. Do you have any
> > suggestions? But my first concern is how can I connect the warehouse to
> my
> > office where the server is?
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Charles
> >
> Hi Charles,
>
> You just say "track inventory" and that is pretty vague.  Do you have
> bar codes and/or  databases, spread sheets, etc.?
>
> I think that ssh is pretty secure and you shouldn't need too much setup.
>
> http://kimbriggs.com/computers/computer-notes/linux-notes/rsync-ssh-notes.html
>
> good luck,
> --
> http://kimbriggs.com
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Hi Kim,

We just use stock cards at the moment. But I want a more automated sytem. We
actually have one but its so hard to use that the warehouse and sales people
just stopped using it I'm having it fixed right now to be more user
friendly.

About ssh, isnt it more of a command line thing? Wouldnt it be difficult to
use since there is no GUI?

Charles.
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From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 06:25:14 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:25:14 +0200
Subject: Font problems - blurry text and bold fonts
In-Reply-To: <4394DB76.3060500@gmail.com>
References: <1133819125.8557.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4394DB76.3060500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133936714.8556.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

For what it's worth, I found that installing the msttcorefonts package
fixes the problem. It's a problem with ff's web fonts. Hope they fix it.

On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 19:29 -0500, Steve wrote:
> Giorgos wrote:
> > In certain programs (eg Firefox) I get a very blurry font, looks like
> > cleartype. Also, in some greek sites latin characters appear as bold
> > while greek characters normal. Here is a screenshot which shows both the
> > blurry text part and the bold/normal thing.
> >
> > http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3lv.png
> 
> You might want to check to make sure that "font auto-hint" is not 
> enabled. I once enabled it and noticed that it did blur the fonts like 
> cleartype (anti-alias).
> 
> Read this:
> 
> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
> 
> Specifically points 4 and 5:
> 
> sudo gedit /etc/fonts/local.conf
> 
> 
> Make sure that the section in question actually *IS* commented out (so 
> that it is ignored by the system). I think you may need to restart the 
> X-server (CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE) or maybe reboot the system if you edit 
> this file.
> 
> Hope that maybe helps...
> 
> -Steve.
> 
> -- 
> Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
> 
> 




From dlaude at usadig.com  Wed Dec  7 06:30:04 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:30:04 -0700
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <200512062330.04986.dlaude@usadig.com>

On Tuesday 06 December 2005 08:17, Tom Marshall wrote:
<snip>
> I did run into one problem though: hardware OpenGL is not working. 
> Does it work for you?  If so, would you mind helping me out?
>
> --
> Most people are too busy to have time for anything important.

i pulled my old Xf86Config-4 from debian 3 years back and did
notice that under the Device section I had this option:
Option	"AGPMode" "4"

I enabled this in xorg.conf and it works.  I also added the
Load		"dbe" to the Modules section. (have not tested
that yet)

In addition, I grabbed the latest drivers from the matrox site
so I'll see about that soon also. ;)

Dana



From shot at hot.pl  Wed Dec  7 06:59:05 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:59:05 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207065905.GL12932@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

mi cuenta:

> Is it safe to use it as a critical
> production server on plugged to the net?

Depends on the meaning of 'critical,' but generally: yes.

> is it safe to use packages from universe?

It depends. Personally, I track the Debian source packages' status
of the universe packages I use via the great Package Tracking System.

For example, I subscribed to trac's package status at
http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/trac.html and got notified of
the recent Trac vulnerabilities that are not yet fixed in Ubuntu:
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/trac/+bug/5297

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
The vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will
find these people and we will bring them to justice.          -- George W. Bush
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 07:13:33 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:43:33 +0530
Subject: What is SELinux?
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512062313i3af4c77t33ae7c8ad22d5636@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone give simpler explaination of working of SELinux, What is SELinux?
It should be simpler than Official SELinux FAQ.

Revant
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 07:24:56 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:24:56 -0800
Subject: What is SELinux?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512062313i3af4c77t33ae7c8ad22d5636@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512062313i3af4c77t33ae7c8ad22d5636@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512062324q3887747bhbf6b3958419dcbfb@mail.gmail.com>

> Can anyone give simpler explaination of working of SELinux, What is SELinux?
>  It should be simpler than Official SELinux FAQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux

seems to be a nice simple introduction to SELinux


--
Daniel Robitaille



From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Wed Dec  7 07:41:17 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:41:17 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:28 -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
> On 12/6/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> > Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?
> 
> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
> 
> It'll only work until you reboot, however.

I'm talking about ubuntu-live. I can't apt-get install anything there.

I'd prefer Ubuntu live over Knoppix, but, on Knoppix I could do:

/etc/init.d/ssh start

Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd. I just tought it would be handy to
have sshd prepared when booting from Ubuntu Live CD.

Is there any special reason why sshd is not on liveCD?

	Mario




From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 07:55:43 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:55:43 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512062355m7728c379v820e7a5c5d41d252@mail.gmail.com>

> > > Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?
> >
> > sudo apt-get install openssh-server
> >
> > It'll only work until you reboot, however.
>
> I'm talking about ubuntu-live. I can't apt-get install anything there.

you cannot install a package using apt-get in a session of the LiveCD?
 I'm surprised by this, but haven't tried it in a very long time. 
Maybe the /etc/apt/source.list file is incorrect???

> I'd prefer Ubuntu live over Knoppix, but, on Knoppix I could do:
>
> /etc/init.d/ssh start
>
> Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd. I just tought it would be handy to
> have sshd prepared when booting from Ubuntu Live CD.
>
> Is there any special reason why sshd is not on liveCD?

because by default Ubuntu comes with no open ports to the outside
world.  Thus sshd couldn't be installed by default in Ubuntu; so there
is no point in having it sitting on the LiveCD, especially considering
that disk space on these CDs is at a premium.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 07:42:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:42:39 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain><bissej.1zn33a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512070018.23524.joantur@cancullet.org>
Message-ID: <KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


there is a line in /etc/grub/menu.lst



#kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro 



make it:



#kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro resume=/dev/hda5



where hda5 is your swap.


-- 
KermitJr



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 08:46:45 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:46:45 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net><saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1znwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


When I said "playing" I didn't want to say "joking". It was a way to say
don't move such files..

Anyway, I was not aggressive for sure. I am support the application
each day since 6 months, so maybe your approach is not very correct.

More on this, if you need to post bugs, the corrects place is
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/

Allocated size is not "wrong" size. It is the "real" disk usage of each
file. I will investigate more on this, but believe me this is the first
malfunction on size I receive since april 2005 amd more than 3,000
downloads. 

New v.2.2.1 can be downloaded from here:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/baobab/


-- 
saltydog



From mhmfasy at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  7 09:08:18 2005
From: mhmfasy at hotmail.com (Fasy - Prince)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:08:18 +0000
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY112-F8E8F6BD8B2DA443B60D9EAA430@phx.gbl>







From thiago.venancio at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:20:26 2005
From: thiago.venancio at gmail.com (Thiago Motta Venancio)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:20:26 -0400
Subject: network printer detection
Message-ID: <4396C57A.5080802@gmail.com>

Hi all.
I am experiencing some problems with printing.
I have a printer in another machine (Debian), using CUPS server.
When i try to print something, all the applications freeze and i have to 
kill them.
When i run gnome-cups-manager as user, nothing happens and as root I got 
an error in GTK (cannot open display).
Any tips here?

Thanks in advance.

Thiago



From js at wdsl.co.za  Wed Dec  7 09:53:48 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:53:48 +0200
Subject: Can't switch to console after upgrade to Breezy
Message-ID: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>

After upgrading to Breezy on my Thinkpad R31 I cannot get to the
console using  Alt-Ctrl-<F1-11> as I should be able to do.  (I
use tty12 for X11 but it also happens when I try to use the more
usual tty7).

I have determined that it is not a gdm issue.  It also happens
when I start X11 with 'startx'.

What went wrong?

Johann
-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better 
      for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two 
      hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall 
      be quenched."                Mark 9:43 



From thiago.venancio at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:59:14 2005
From: thiago.venancio at gmail.com (Thiago Motta Venancio)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:59:14 -0400
Subject: network printer detection
In-Reply-To: <4396C57A.5080802@gmail.com>
References: <4396C57A.5080802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396CE92.50909@gmail.com>

Hi all.
I have solved the problem described.
I have configured the CUPS server and client side in text mode, now it 
is fine, but I think ubuntu should not freeze applications.
Best.
Thiago

Thiago Motta Venancio wrote:

> Hi all.
> I am experiencing some problems with printing.
> I have a printer in another machine (Debian), using CUPS server.
> When i try to print something, all the applications freeze and i have 
> to kill them.
> When i run gnome-cups-manager as user, nothing happens and as root I 
> got an error in GTK (cannot open display).
> Any tips here?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Thiago
>



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 10:04:47 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:04:47 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
	<016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>

Good Afternoon, Rob,

On 12/6/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
X.........................................................................................
> Hope this (sort of) helps. Wish I could help more.

Thank for the help.  Sorry for the vague problem statement but,
explicitly speaking, my problem is that I don't know what program to
use for creating a dial-up Internet connection and how to use the
connection the program creates from a normal non-root user account.

--
Thanks & regards,

Asif



From yann.simon.fr at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 10:14:16 2005
From: yann.simon.fr at gmail.com (Yann Simon)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:14:16 +0100
Subject: Can't switch to console after upgrade to Breezy
In-Reply-To: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>
References: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <1133950457.10058.5.camel@localhost>

Your problem can come from your video card.
I had a similar problem with a nvidia card.
To resolve it, I had to remove the 'splash' option at the kernel command
line in /boot/grub/menu.lst

Yann

Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 11:53 +0200, Johann Spies a écrit :
> After upgrading to Breezy on my Thinkpad R31 I cannot get to the
> console using  Alt-Ctrl-<F1-11> as I should be able to do.  (I
> use tty12 for X11 but it also happens when I try to use the more
> usual tty7).
> 
> I have determined that it is not a gdm issue.  It also happens
> when I start X11 with 'startx'.
> 
> What went wrong?
> 
> Johann
> -- 
> J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
>              Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
>      "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better 
>       for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two 
>       hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall 
>       be quenched."                Mark 9:43 
> 
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec  7 10:27:47 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:27:47 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
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Message-ID: <1133951267.19007.184.camel@localhost.localdomain>



Try 


pon


/usr/sbin/pon


Vram










On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 02:04 -0800, Asif Lodhi wrote:
> Good Afternoon, Rob,
> 
> On 12/6/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> X.........................................................................................
> > Hope this (sort of) helps. Wish I could help more.
> 
> Thank for the help.  Sorry for the vague problem statement but,
> explicitly speaking, my problem is that I don't know what program to
> use for creating a dial-up Internet connection and how to use the
> connection the program creates from a normal non-root user account.
> 
> --
> Thanks & regards,
> 
> Asif
> 




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Wed Dec  7 10:48:08 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:18:08 +1030
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>	<016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

>Good Afternoon, Rob,
>
>On 12/6/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
>X.........................................................................................
>  
>
>>Hope this (sort of) helps. Wish I could help more.
>>    
>>
>
>Thank for the help.  Sorry for the vague problem statement but,
>explicitly speaking, my problem is that I don't know what program to
>use for creating a dial-up Internet connection and how to use the
>connection the program creates from a normal non-root user account.
>
>--
>Thanks & regards,
>
>Asif
>
>  
>
Hi Asif,
try

 sudo pppconfig    in a terminal, and follow the prompts.
When set up, connect from terminal with   pon "and isp name you entered 
in the setup"
Hope this helps
Take Care
Winton



From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Wed Dec  7 10:53:37 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:53:37 +0200
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
Message-ID: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE

which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I suspect that Asif is groping around in the dark in the same way that I am . Asif, there is some earlier correspondence on a thread that I initiated entitled "Modem Problems". I would like to thank all those that answered.

The first thing that I found is that it was quite easy to get connected using the standard System > Administration > Networking route. Right click on the title bar to enable an icon to make the connection easier. The disadvantages are:

- To initiate a dial up to the network requires the root passwork (I would regard that as a huge security flaw)
- There is no way of setting the connection speed and my connections seem slow. Very slow.

So I have been trying other ways - some of which were suggested by people on this forum - to connect. I have not managed to get pppconfig with pon / poff to work. Yet. But I am struggling. Gnome-ppp just does not believe that I have a modem, I still have some other options to go ...

Bill


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:05:33 -0800
From: Asif Lodhi <asif.lodhi at gmail.com>

Shamefully, I do not know _how_ to connect to the Internet? :)  What
should I do to connect my PC to the Internet?  Only after that I can
download all the stuff you have mentioned! :)  I mean I don't know how
to create a dial-up internet connection and how to use it from a
normal user account other than root.





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 10:43:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:43:12 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net><saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1zo29z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Albert Wrote: 
> 'Forum Post wrote:

> 

> I assume you mean the "Allocated Space" checkbox.  What is the function
> 

> of a checked "Allocated Space" checkbox, except to display erroneous 

> diskspace figures?

> 





This has been fixed on CVS version.

New deb in few days.


-- 
saltydog



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:00:18 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:00:18 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
	<016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512070300g21cd9803x1dfb8f1b6bae1f71@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Winton,

On 12/7/05, squareyes <squareyes at internode.on.net> wrote:
> try
>  sudo pppconfig    in a terminal, and follow the prompts.
> When set up, connect from terminal with   pon "and isp name you entered
> in the setup"

Thanks a zillion!  :)  That's exactly what I need.

--
Thanks again,

Asif



From js at wdsl.co.za  Wed Dec  7 11:01:24 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:01:24 +0200
Subject: Can't switch to console after upgrade to Breezy
In-Reply-To: <1133950457.10058.5.camel@localhost>
References: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>
	<1133950457.10058.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051207110124.GA28128@adept.co.za>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:14:16AM +0100, Yann Simon wrote:
> Your problem can come from your video card.
> I had a similar problem with a nvidia card.
> To resolve it, I had to remove the 'splash' option at the kernel command
> line in /boot/grub/menu.lst

Thanks for the hint.  I have tried it, but removing the 'splash'
option did solve the problem.

I would be glad if somebody knows what is causing this.
Switching to the console is important to me.

Regards
Johann

-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better 
      for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two 
      hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall 
      be quenched."                Mark 9:43 



From lists at userdox.com  Wed Dec  7 11:07:23 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff-lists)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:07:23 +1100
Subject: filesystem and mounting problems
Message-ID: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com>

Hi,

New user trying to mount some disks.  Can someone please let me know 
what I've done wrong.  Ubuntu 5.10 (Server) is what I have installed, 
and this mount task is the first thing I've done since the installation.

When I try and mount my disks I get the error:

[4296011.463000] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hde1.
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1,
        missing codepage or other error
        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
        dmesg | tail or so


I thought I new what I was doing when I created the partitions on the 
disk. When I enter fdisk -l I get the response:

Disk /dev/hde: 80.0 GB, 800026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

    Device Boot    Start    End     Blocks    Id   System
/dev/hde1             1   9729   78148161    83   Linux


The entry in /etc/fstab is:

/dev/hde1   /mnt/80g    ext3    defaults    0   0

Thanks for your help,

Geoff



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:09:11 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:09:11 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,

On 12/7/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> - To initiate a dial up to the network requires the root passwork (I would
> regard that as a huge security flaw)
> - There is no way of setting the connection speed and my connections seem
> slow. Very slow.
> So I have been trying other ways - some of which were suggested by people on
> this forum - to connect. I have not managed to get pppconfig with pon / poff
> to work. Yet. But I am struggling. Gnome-ppp just does not believe that I
> have a modem, I still have some other options to go ...

I think that what Winton has just suggested on this thread is OK. 
AFAIK, if you sudo run something then it doesn't hurt you that bad and
you are relatively safe.  On Fedora I used to tie  tty/S0 (Serial port
0 probably) with my dial-up connection and it worked.  I guess
pppconfig must have some options for configuring connection speed,
etc.  I have no problems with Fedora Core 3, at least.  Lets see how
it goes with Ubuntu 5.10.  I'll get back to the list if I do find
problems.  I'll certainly give you my feedback on this list - same
thread.

--
Best regards,

Asif



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:09:25 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:09:25 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <20051207104853.c5a3c6c2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>	<426905810512061049t377f2292g7d9cfded93f1ceeb@mail.gmail.com>	<22fe482e0512061058r4000371cra7d43db79f232b0d@mail.gmail.com>	<4395E1E8.60503@gmail.com>	<22fe482e0512061412t469b6fa5v5a6e4b7edaa7652@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051207104853.c5a3c6c2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:12:04 +0000
> Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The question now is, how do you do anything more than just ping? I have set
>>each of the computers to share the users home directory with NFS, but all I
>>get when I open up Places->Networks is that it asks me for a whole bunch of
>>passwords in succession before finally leaving me with the usual empty
>>Windows network.
> 
> 
> For setting up NFS I found this howto useful:
> 
> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
> 
> NFS mounts won't appear under Places-Network ( I find this unintuitive,
> too) They will appear in Places - Computer, and an icon will appear under
> Computer in the Places menu when they are mounted. You will also get
> an icon on the Gnome desktop when the share is mounted. You can mount from
> the Computer"place", and unmount from a right click on the icon, or from
> the Computer place in Nautilus.
> 
> I can't help  with Samba, as I've only played with it,, and decided NFS
> was better for my needs on a simple small network with only Linux
> machines.
> 
> Peter
> 

For Samba, if it asks you for your username and password when you 
haven't set any, then you can provide an empty username and password. 
Its a bit annoying that it repeatedly asks for a username and password 
every time you open a folder or file. I haven't found a solution to this 
yet. For the anonymous logins to work, the share should have 'guest ok = 
yes' in the smb.conf.
So I have shared my USB hard disk like this in /etc/samba/smb.conf:
  [USB_Video]
    comment = Video Folder on USBHD
    path = /media/USB_HD/Video
    guest ok = yes
    writable =yes
    browseable = yes

If you want to enforce logins, just comment out the 'guest ok' line and 
add a user using smbpasswd. Something like this, in a root terminal, to 
set the password for user 'sean':
    smbpasswd -U sean

or if you are logged in as 'sean' in a terminal, then 'smbpasswd' should 
suffice.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 11:10:52 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:10:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
Message-ID: <20051207111052.36832.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 What a nightmare!!!!
 
 I've tried serveral ways of upgrading and even a direct install and all have left me with a sour taste.
 
 Not impressed.
 
 Anyway, eventually I have managed to upgrade from CD from within hoary. After completing, I checked sources.list and saw that 
 
 deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy main restricted 
 
 had been added b4 
 
 deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/ hoary main restricted
 
 but all other repository references point to hoary. 
 
 The question for this mail is .... shouldn't the hoary now be breezy. Should I just change them by hand?
 
 CIA
 
 -Ants
 

		
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From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:13:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
Message-ID: <20051207111327.90054.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


		
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From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 11:16:41 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:16:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
Message-ID: <20051207111641.32964.qmail@web26013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 If I choose 2-6-12-9 kernel, when the system starts, instead of getting the debug [ok] messages printed, I just get a dark screen that slowly get whiter b4 the login screen appears.
 
 Also, the display shivers (shakes) as thougt it's running at too a high a resolution for the monitor.
 
 Any comments?
 
 CIA
 
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From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 11:21:04 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:21:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: hci_usb errors
Message-ID: <20051207112104.29515.qmail@web26014.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I get a modprobe error on startup relating to hci_usb bluetooth.
 
 Anyone experience this?
 
 This has only occured since upgrading to breezy
 
 Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
 Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
 hci_usb: Unknown symbol hci_free_dev
 hci_usb: Unknown symbol hci_alloc_dev
 hci_usb: Unknown symbol hci_unregister_dev
 hci_usb: Unknown symbol hci_register_dev
 Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.7
 
 
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From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:25:49 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:25:49 +0000
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
In-Reply-To: <KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain><bissej.1zn33a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<200512070018.23524.joantur@cancullet.org>
	<KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4396C6BD.5080400@gmail.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> there is a line in /etc/grub/menu.lst
> 
> #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro 
> 
> make it:
> 
> #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro resume=/dev/hda5
>
> where hda5 is your swap.
>  

Will this still work, if your swap is in an LVM partition.
Actually how do you know if your swap space is used or not??
Cos I can't see it mounted in '/etc/mtab'.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From squareyes at internode.on.net  Wed Dec  7 11:30:24 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:00:24 +1030
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396C7D0.9090009@internode.on.net>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

>Hi Bill,
>
>On 12/7/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
>  
>
>>- To initiate a dial up to the network requires the root passwork (I would
>>regard that as a huge security flaw)
>>- There is no way of setting the connection speed and my connections seem
>>slow. Very slow.
>>So I have been trying other ways - some of which were suggested by people on
>>this forum - to connect. I have not managed to get pppconfig with pon / poff
>>to work. Yet. But I am struggling. Gnome-ppp just does not believe that I
>>have a modem, I still have some other options to go ...
>>    
>>
>
>I think that what Winton has just suggested on this thread is OK. 
>AFAIK, if you sudo run something then it doesn't hurt you that bad and
>you are relatively safe.  On Fedora I used to tie  tty/S0 (Serial port
>0 probably) with my dial-up connection and it worked.  I guess
>pppconfig must have some options for configuring connection speed,
>etc.  I have no problems with Fedora Core 3, at least.  Lets see how
>it goes with Ubuntu 5.10.  I'll get back to the list if I do find
>problems.  I'll certainly give you my feedback on this list - same
>thread.
>
>--
>Best regards,
>
>Asif
>
>  
>
Hi again Asif,
you only need to do  sudo pppconfig, to configure the setup,
don't need sudo to actually connect. To disconnect just  poff

Take Care
Winton



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 11:27:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:27:38 -0500
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
References: <20051207111327.90054.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <daller.1zo44m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Double Posted!


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daller



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 11:32:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:32:32 -0500
Subject: (no subject)
References: <BAY112-F8E8F6BD8B2DA443B60D9EAA430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <daller.1zo44m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Empty Post!


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daller



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 11:28:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:28:35 -0500
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
References: <20051207111052.36832.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <daller.1zo44m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


If you are running Breezy, your sources.list should point at breezy,
yes!


-- 
daller



From uid000 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:44:48 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:44:48 -0500
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>

Here's another option.

For instances where you just want to transfer or retrieve some files
and don't need transparent access like samba or nfs provides, SSH is a
great option.  I personally install it on all my systems.   The gnome
ftp client (gnome-ftp?) is ssh capable, if you want a graphical
interface.

Here's a great article to get you started:
http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1254222&tid=89

There also is sshfs which gives you NFS-like transparency over an SSH
tunnel.  I messed with it for about ten minutes the other day but
wasn't able to get it to work.

On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> Situation:
>
>  I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a desktop.
>
>  I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards using
> a crossover cable.
>
>  Problem:
>
>  How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
> files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not see
> eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how to
> use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I attempted
> to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using System-Administration->Shared
> Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
> also tried to activate the network interfaces using
> System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each
> machine an IP address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for a
> password to connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network Servers.
> This seems to suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I never
> specified any password.
>
>  I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


--
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and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.



From luca76 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:53:04 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:53:04 +0100
Subject: Image question.
Message-ID: <bbda83370512070353l14dc5510hb1f7395a25efed4c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I would like to substitute in Nautilus the default (and poor)
image viewer with gThumb (the poor image viewer doesn't allow to
rotate and save, like Image Viewer in Windows XP). How can I do it?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 12:00:13 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:00:13 +0000
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
In-Reply-To: <djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com>
	<djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> cilynx Wrote: 
> 
>>I'll host it.  I don't check the forums here much, you can contact me at
>>rcw at wolfteck dot com.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i don't know what is rcw.... i'm trying to contact with you so people
> can download the 2 kernel versions (optimized for p4 and optimiced for
> p4 with hypertheading) or the source.... all of them without the n60
> patch and adapted for breezy.
> 
> 
Sorry I missed this conversation before. Is this something to with the 
broken cpufreq driver for P4s, i.e., p4-clockmod. I had this problem 
where my CPU would only scale down from 2.66 GHz to 2.33 GHz. In Hoary, 
it will go all the way to 333 MHz.

So if this patch you are talking about is indeed a solution to this 
problem, I would definetly want in. Could you please provide more info?

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Wed Dec  7 12:16:18 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:16:18 +0200
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
Message-ID: <s396ee94.093@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE

which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Winton and Asif,

(I don't want to hijack Asif's discussion - but it seems the same topic!)

My problem is that, although I can now configure the modem through pppconfig and can connect by means of pon, Firefox does not recognise that I am connected. I can see that I am connected by looking at the modem (and I heard it connect!) but Firefox just tells me that the url is not available ("www.ubuntu.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again" - the same message I get when I am not connected. If I connect the other way, I have no problem).

Is this something to do with this not being a default route? Should I add "defaultroute" to the script file?

Bill

>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 07 December 2005 >>>
********************************************


>
Hi again Asif,
you only need to do  sudo pppconfig, to configure the setup,
don't need sudo to actually connect. To disconnect just  poff

Take Care
Winton






From brian at brianpuccio.net  Wed Dec  7 12:22:27 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:22:27 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133958147.4948.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:
> The default panel setup Ubuntu uses is okay, but how do different
> people on this list configure their panels? Do people use panels other
> than the GNOME panel? Links to screenshots?

I came from a desktop with a huge 1600x1200 display, so my current
1400x1050 feels cramped. Accordingly, I've crammed everything into one
small transparent panel on the side.

http://brianpuccio.net/desktop_2005_11_23
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 12:25:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:25:43 -0500
Subject: filesystem and mounting problems
References: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com>
Message-ID: <tonym.1zo6wm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


What command did you use to create a filesystem on the partition?


-- 
tonym



From cl.correa at terra.com.br  Wed Dec  7 11:28:30 2005
From: cl.correa at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E9sar_Corr=EAa?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:28:30 -0200
Subject: remover
Message-ID: <004501c5fb21$5bed0640$b540e3c8@clcinfo>

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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 12:49:05 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:49:05 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <1133909035.19007.135.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051206213014.GA9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1133909035.19007.135.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051207124904.GB9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 02:43:55PM -0800, Vram wrote:
> It is a difference in philosophy.

Hmm.  I disagree.  Compare the Debian Social Contract:
    http://www.debian.org/social_contract
with the Gentoo Social Contract:
    http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml
...  they seem very similar to me.  In fact Gentoo even refers to the
Debian SC.

Both distros IMO, are usually considered at the 'geeky' end of the
spectrum.  Both distros by default give you a very basic server type
install (Debian used to drop you into 'dselect' during the install -
you didn't need a degree in computer science to get you out of that,
just luck in pushing the correct obscure combination of keys ;)

Ubuntu builds on the same philosiphy with the addition that it's
'Linux for Human Beings'.  It doesn't (rightly) run any remotely
accessible servers on a default install so, why immediately run
openssh-server when you install it?

This is not a complaint - merely an observation of what appears to
me to be a little 'quirk'.
 
> Gentoo was a roll your own distribution ..
 
s/was/is/ ;)  and, given what I've said above, I think that applies
to Debian too.
 
> In Ubuntu they do thing for you....And this is not neither good or bad
> it is just the way it is....   You buy into that went you purchase the
> product.  
> 
> Being Linux you  are free to change all that...  Turn stuff on... Turn
> stuff off....

Sure!  If you know what you're doing you can take just about any
distro and bend it any way you want.

> My $0.02

and mine ;)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 12:40:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:40:51 -0500
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com><20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
	<200512062330.04986.dlaude@usadig.com>
Message-ID: <andras.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi,



I've just purchased a used Matrox G450 PCI card. I've installed the
hardware, but Ubuntu 5.10 could not startup with it. I've reinstalled
Ubuntu 5.10, but my LCD screen remains black. The card is correctly
working under Windows XP.



My system is a Shuttle ST62K (Zen) with onboard ATI 9100IGP and a
Samsung SyncMaster 173P LCD display connected via the DVI connection.



I suppose that during installation Ubuntu recognize and install the ATI
drivers ignoring the PCI Matrox card or some other conflict occours.



Can you tell me what can I do to use this graphics card on Ubuntu?
Please try to explain considering that I'm still newbie with Linux
settings.



Thank you,

Andras


-- 
andras



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 12:42:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:42:53 -0500
Subject: Image question.
References: <bbda83370512070353l14dc5510hb1f7395a25efed4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BabaFree.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Right click on a file in Nautilus and choose Properties.  Under the
"Open With" tab change to gThumb.  All files of the same extension
should be defaulted to gThumb.  Hope this helps.

Baba


-- 
BabaFree



From hometoast at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:25:18 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:25:18 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512062355m7728c379v820e7a5c5d41d252@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512062355m7728c379v820e7a5c5d41d252@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512070525i683bd20fke1a376e2f4883548@mail.gmail.com>

this makes perfect sense; how could it install if its running from read-only
media?
Anyway, to answer the original poster; i agree, it should be there to be
able to be turned on.  Just conjecture, but it sounds like you might want
something like this: headless install:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-December/059199.html

On 12/7/05, Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> you cannot install a package using apt-get in a session of the LiveCD?
> I'm surprised by this, but haven't tried it in a very long time.
> Maybe the /etc/apt/source.list file is incorrect???
>
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 13:30:20 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:30:20 +0000
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051207133020.GC9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> The first thing that I found is that it was quite easy to get connected using the standard System > Administration > Networking route. Right click on the title bar to enable an icon to make the connection easier. The disadvantages are:
> 
> - To initiate a dial up to the network requires the root passwork (I would regard that as a huge security flaw)

By default Ubuntu will ask for your user password, not root.  If you
have correct permissions you will be able to connect.

I can't see how you see that as a 'huge security flaw'.  Do you want
_anyone_ to be able to connect your box to the 'big bad internet' by
default?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 13:33:59 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:33:59 +0000
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <s396ee94.093@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s396ee94.093@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051207133359.GD9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:16:18PM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> My problem is that, although I can now configure the modem through pppconfig and can connect by means of pon, Firefox does not recognise that I am connected. I can see that I am connected by looking at the modem (and I heard it connect!) but Firefox just tells me that the url is not available ("www.ubuntu.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again" - the same message I get when I am not connected. If I connect the other way, I have no problem).
> 
> Is this something to do with this not being a default route? Should I add "defaultroute" to the script file?

Could be that or perhaps dns (name servers).

What's the output of 'route -n' and 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' both
connected and disconnected from the net?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:36:07 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:36:07 -0500
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512070300g21cd9803x1dfb8f1b6bae1f71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>	<016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>	<61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>	<4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>
	<61af2c540512070300g21cd9803x1dfb8f1b6bae1f71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396E547.4080105@gmail.com>

I think it would be a good idea if Ubuntu *included* Gnome PPP as an 
installed package. I don't think it takes up much room, and I'm sure 
there are a LOT of dial-up Ubuntu users out there (I'm one).

Just a suggestion... but I don't know the proper way to make default 
package suggestions. Sure, dial-up can be configured and connected 
*without* Gnome PPP, but Gnome PPP is much more user-friendly.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From trudheim at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:37:56 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:37:56 +0000
Subject: MD RAID-1 deadlocks ?
Message-ID: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Apologies for cross-posting, but I believe it is relevant to all three lists.

I have for several weeks now had problems with my system at home,
Ubuntu Breezy install (installed from scratch), runs a few services,
nothing spectacular. I have had the server lock solid, sometimes it
would lock within seconds of it having finished booting and I kicked
of a kernel compile again.

A common theme is that as soon as I kick off a kernel compile, the box
will lock up shortly (1-15 min) later. All interrupts lost, kbd dead,
can't ssh in. Alt-SysRq doesn't work, can't break in to KDB. There is
never anything in the logs to give any hint about anything.

I have in turn tried:
 - running memcheck (came back clean, will run again overnight tonight)
 - taking out disks that is not used (at the moment)
 - tried kernel 2.6.14 (took config from Ubuntu's 2.6.12 and went from there)
 - tried kernel compiled with gcc 4.0 and with gcc 3.4, no difference
 - tried with 2.6.14.3, kdb 4.4 and serial console and all available
debug options (no Oops anywhere, just a straight locked up box)
 - currently using 2.6.15-rc4 with kdb4.4, most things compiled in to kernel
 - reseated CPU and heatsink, applied new thermal paste
 - move PCI cards (in case of 'IRQ clash')
 - change AGP gfx card (from nVidia to an ATI)
 - have run cpuburn (burnK7 and burnMMX), no problem

Yet to test:
 - bonnie++


The system has the following installed at the moment:
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600
AGP] Host Bridge (rev 80)
0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c940
10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] (rev 12)
0000:00:0a.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD
Technology Inc) PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller (rev 02)
0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic
53C896/897 (rev 07)
0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic
53C896/897 (rev 07)
0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420
SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB
1.1 Controller (rev 81)
0000:00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB
1.1 Controller (rev 81)
0000:00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB
1.1 Controller (rev 81)
0000:00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB
1.1 Controller (rev 81)
0000:00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [K8T800 South]
0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280
[Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon
9200 SE] (Secondary) (rev 01)

The storage is two PATA 80GB Maxtor disks, connected to separate
chains, both partitioned as two partitions, 2GB and 78GB. Both are
software mirrored, hda1+hdc1 makes md0 and hda2+hdc2 makes md1. '/'
was created on md0 and md1 was made into a PV and LVM was set up on
that.

I am not sure how much detail I should post here, but I can make
almost any details about the system available if it will help solve
this problem. It does seem to be connected to intense disk activity
though.

Any tips or pointers to what I can try next would be appreciated.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:41:00 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:41:00 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512070525i683bd20fke1a376e2f4883548@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512062355m7728c379v820e7a5c5d41d252@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb39d0990512070525i683bd20fke1a376e2f4883548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512070541h6c7a7289v2367963b1f16435f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, hometoast <hometoast at gmail.com> wrote:
> this makes perfect sense; how could it install if its running from read-only
> media?

"Installed" in this case does not mean that anything gets written to a
physical disk.  Instead, it means that the openssh-server package is
downloaded from a repository, then runs in memory in the LiveCD
environment.  That's why it's gone when you reboot.  This way, you can
try out software other than just what's installed by default on the
LiveCD.  The LiveCD does not include openssh-server by default, since
Ubuntu does not include openssh-server in its default install.

--

  -- AL --



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:44:09 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:44:09 -0500
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396E729.3060704@gmail.com>

> On 12/7/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
>> - There is no way of setting the connection speed and my connections seem
>> slow. Very slow.

For dial-up users, you should set the "disable IPv6" setting in Firefox, 
otherwise browsing can be very slow (when trying to download more than 
one thing at a time). Type "about:config" in the Firefox address bar, 
find "network.dns.disableIPv6", double-click it to change the value from 
  "false" to "true". That helped me a LOT. :-)

Also it's good to set "network.http.pipelining" and 
"network.http.proxy.pipelining" to "true" if they are not already.

DIAL-UP is NOT dead! :-)
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From luca76 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:47:16 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:47:16 +0100
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'm a totaly newbie with PPC systmes (my friend has an old iMac G4
733 Mhz - the mac that fits all into a roundet and transparent
blue-white CRT monitor).
I have recorded a CD with live version of ubuntu and gave it to my
friend. My friend inserted into CD, then rebooted its Mac OS X and
none happened: boots only to Mac OS X. Pheraps there's a command to
boot to CD and not to HD?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:52:35 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:52:35 -0500
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <s396ee94.093@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s396ee94.093@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <4396E923.50706@gmail.com>

Bill Cairns wrote:
> 
> My problem is that, although I can now configure the modem through pppconfig and can connect by means of pon, Firefox does not recognise that I am connected. I can see that I am connected by looking at the modem (and I heard it connect!) but Firefox just tells me that the url is not available ("www.ubuntu.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again" - the same message I get when I am not connected. If I connect the other way, I have no problem).
> 
> Is this something to do with this not being a default route? Should I add "defaultroute" to the script file?
> 
> Bill

It could also be that you do not have the right DNS entries. If you 
happen to know the actual IP address of any website, you can type that 
in Firefox, and if it *does* connect, then you just have a problem with 
DNS lookup.

HTH.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From joantur at cancullet.org  Wed Dec  7 13:57:07 2005
From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:57:07 +0100
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
In-Reply-To: <4396C6BD.5080400@gmail.com>
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org> <4396C6BD.5080400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512071457.07998.joantur@cancullet.org>

Es Dimecres, 7 de Desembre de 2005 12:25, en Sarangan Thuraisingham / 
துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் va escriure:
| 'Forum Post wrote:
| > there is a line in /etc/grub/menu.lst
| >
| > #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro
| >
| > make it:
| >
| > #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro resume=/dev/hda5
| >
| > where hda5 is your swap.
|
| Will this still work, if your swap is in an LVM partition.
| Actually how do you know if your swap space is used or not??
| Cos I can't see it mounted in '/etc/mtab'.
I don't know about your first question, but you can check if the swap 
partition is mounted this way:

-----
root at quinipt:/boot/grub# cat /proc/meminfo | grep Swap
SwapCached:          0 kB
SwapTotal:     1052216 kB
SwapFree:      1052216 kB
-----

-- 
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From joantur at cancullet.org  Wed Dec  7 13:58:08 2005
From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
In-Reply-To: <KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512070018.23524.joantur@cancullet.org>
	<KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512071458.09136.joantur@cancullet.org>

Es Dimecres, 7 de Desembre de 2005 08:42, en 'Forum Post, 
'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com va escriure:
| there is a line in /etc/grub/menu.lst
|
|
|
| #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro
|
|
|
| make it:
|
|
|
| #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro resume=/dev/hda5
|
|
|
| where hda5 is your swap.
I've already got the "resume=" stanza in my menu.lst  8-?

-- 
Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain
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From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec  7 13:37:36 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:37:36 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512070525i683bd20fke1a376e2f4883548@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512062355m7728c379v820e7a5c5d41d252@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb39d0990512070525i683bd20fke1a376e2f4883548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207133736.GD315@riva.ucam.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 08:25:18AM -0500, hometoast wrote:
> this makes perfect sense; how could it install if its running from read-only
> media?

The live CD mounts a temporary copy-on-write filesystem over the top of
the read-only filesystem on the CD. This makes it perfectly possible to
install packages in the usual way.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:59:38 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:59:38 -0500
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396EACA.6030804@gmail.com>

Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, I'm a totaly newbie with PPC systmes (my friend has an old iMac G4
> 733 Mhz - the mac that fits all into a roundet and transparent
> blue-white CRT monitor).
> I have recorded a CD with live version of ubuntu and gave it to my
> friend. My friend inserted into CD, then rebooted its Mac OS X and
> none happened: boots only to Mac OS X. Pheraps there's a command to
> boot to CD and not to HD?
> 
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> 

I seem to remember (when I had an iMac years ago), that you have to hold 
a key down to get it to boot from the CD (when booting up)... I think 
the "c" key?? Good luck! I miss my old iMac... :-(

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:59:36 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:59:36 -0500
Subject: What is SELinux?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512062313i3af4c77t33ae7c8ad22d5636@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512062313i3af4c77t33ae7c8ad22d5636@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512070559l6b69d3dci3de0a8d074743b23@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar <revant.one at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone give simpler explaination of working of SELinux, What is SELinux?
>  It should be simpler than Official SELinux FAQ.
>
>  Revant
>
SE stands for "Security Enhanced".  Simple enough?

:-)
http://kimbriggs.com/

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 14:15:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:15:06 -0500
Subject: non-root scanner
References: <41EA9685.3010704@hauberg.org><992fe1b6050116121793058ee@mail.gmail.com><41EACE59.4000707@hauberg.org><992fe1b605011618237b54e652@mail.gmail.com>	<41EB8608.1060209@hauberg.org><thtde.1j0adm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<41EBD5FA.6050107@hauberg.org> <Jellus.1ov3qa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Paul.Jones.1zobja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I had the same problem with an HP Officejet G85.  It scanned once after
installation but then it stopped working.  Took me a while to figure
out that I needed to insmod the ppdev module.  When you do that
/dev/parport0 shows up.  This looks like some installation error that
forgets to configure ppdev to load at boot.  Hand-editing /etc/modules
should be a way to fix it permanently.


-- 
Paul Jones



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Wed Dec  7 14:20:37 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:20:37 -0500
Subject: MC and rxvt
Message-ID: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

Maybe I should be asking on the rxvt list, but when I run Midnight
Commander (4.61) in RXVT, MC doesn't draw using the regular graphics
characters but instead with what seems to be accented and regular
"foreign" characters. Is there a resource or something else which needs
to be changed?  The same thing doesn't happen in XTerm.


Thanks

Frank



From carlton.noles at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 14:12:37 2005
From: carlton.noles at gmail.com (Carlton)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:12:37 -0500
Subject: Mounted Partition problem
Message-ID: <dn6qkm$pqn$1@sea.gmane.org>

I have two hard drives set up as follows:

hda  	15Gb 	XP(ntfs)

hdb1 	20GB	XP(Fat32)
hdb2 	20Gb	Ubuntu

I sucessfully mounted hdb1 using:

mount /dev/hdb1 /media/ft32 -t vfat

When I open /media/ft32 I can see the folders on hdb1 however the icons 
displayed with them are the gnome footprints, they don't open when 
double clicked and they dissappear when right clicked. What did I do 
wrong or didn't I do?

Carlton




From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec  7 14:03:46 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:03:46 +0000
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207140346.GG315@riva.ucam.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:47:16PM +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, I'm a totaly newbie with PPC systmes (my friend has an old iMac G4
> 733 Mhz - the mac that fits all into a roundet and transparent
> blue-white CRT monitor).
> I have recorded a CD with live version of ubuntu and gave it to my
> friend. My friend inserted into CD, then rebooted its Mac OS X and
> none happened: boots only to Mac OS X. Pheraps there's a command to
> boot to CD and not to HD?

You typically need to hold down the 'c' key during boot to boot from CD.
Alternatively, hold down Option during boot and you'll get a graphical
menu.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Wed Dec  7 14:33:06 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:33:06 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133965986.991.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:
> I can never come up with anything more satisfying than the default
> Ubuntu setup. But I don't like that setup too much. For one thing
> having two panels taking up screen space all the time seems a bit of a
> waste, and most of the top panel is just empty and grey.

I delete the top panel entirely, and move the couple of icons I need
from there down to the bottom.  Why?  Well, I have a 1024x600 screen on
this subnotebook, and I need the vertical space a lot more than I need
the "wide" version of the foot menu.

My bottom panel contains the foot menu, buttons for terminal, evolution,
and mozilla, the taskbar applet, the notification area, two network
monitors, a two-desktop (one on top of the other) desktop switcher, and
an icon that runs a custom script to properly set up the network when I
go to work.  Oh and the clock (without date display) and trashcan icons.

You're right - that top panel is mostly wasted empty space - unless you
like to run a million system monitors.

I'd consider a side panel, but it's too disorienting when I have to use
other systems occasionally at work.

>  I think I've come to the conclusion that the default setup Ubuntu
> uses, probably just the GNOME default, was very carefully chosen,
> because there doesn't really seem to be a better way with these
> panels.

It's very carefully chosen to waste precious vertical screen space. :)

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From perlero at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 14:41:26 2005
From: perlero at gmail.com (mi cuenta)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:41:26 +1700
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65516e440512070641s75c44742u77d3e74571fba63@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net
> ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel
>
>

So  I must understand that  ubuntu  the main repo is  safe for a critical
production  server  with fast security updates
and universe is safe  while I use "important" packages  but here I'm on my
own

Thank You all

Leonel
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From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 14:43:16 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:43:16 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512070643s518e43d0v58cd25f7c2fc29ed@mail.gmail.com>

That NFS-howto looks pretty lengthy.

Who'd have thought setting up shared folders with either NFS or SAMBA would
be so difficult? I would have expected to be able to do it all through the
GUI.

Zach - thanks for pointing out that I can just use SSH. I assume that sshd
is not running by default on Ubuntu, but that the package is part of the
install so I can set it up (my machines aren't connected to the Internet). I
actually know perfectly well how to use SSH and there's no reason I
shouldn't have just done it in the first place except that I didn't think of
it.

The GNOME FTP client is called gftp. It's ugly, but reliable.

On 12/7/05, Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here's another option.
>
> For instances where you just want to transfer or retrieve some files
> and don't need transparent access like samba or nfs provides, SSH is a
> great option.  I personally install it on all my systems.   The gnome
> ftp client (gnome-ftp?) is ssh capable, if you want a graphical
> interface.
>
> Here's a great article to get you started:
> http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1254222&tid=89
>
> There also is sshfs which gives you NFS-like transparency over an SSH
> tunnel.  I messed with it for about ten minutes the other day but
> wasn't able to get it to work.
>
> On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Situation:
> >
> >  I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a
> desktop.
> >
> >  I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards
> using
> > a crossover cable.
> >
> >  Problem:
> >
> >  How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
> > files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not
> see
> > eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how
> to
> > use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I
> attempted
> > to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using
> System-Administration->Shared
> > Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
> > also tried to activate the network interfaces using
> > System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving each
> > machine an IP address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for
> a
> > password to connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network
> Servers.
> > This seems to suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I
> never
> > specified any password.
> >
> >  I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> If you reply to a message I posted to a mailing list,
> and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
> address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.
>
> --
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 14:47:34 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:47:34 +0000
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
In-Reply-To: <20051207111052.36832.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207111052.36832.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207144734.GE9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:10:52AM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  Anyway, eventually I have managed to upgrade from CD from within hoary. After completing, I checked sources.list and saw that 
>  
>  deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy main restricted 
>  
>  had been added b4 
>  
>  deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/ hoary main restricted

I assume that you did an auto upgrade by inserting a Breezy install
disk (I've never used that method).
  
>  but all other repository references point to hoary. 

There's nothing wrong with having old apt lines pointing to hoary
(they're redundant though).  Apt will use the latest version of a
package that it finds in all repositries but it's quite safe to remove
the references to hoary.
  
>  The question for this mail is .... shouldn't the hoary now be breezy. Should I just change them by hand?

It would be a good idea to put the security repositry in
/etc/apt/sources.list.  I notice from your next post that you are
running an old kernel that has had security updates.

You could add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list (or do the same
from within synaptic). Replace 'localhost:9999' with an archive near
to you ('archive.ubuntu.com' is the main one)  The ':9999' bit refers
to an apt-proxy that I'm running on this box.

    deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse

This is the main Ubuntu archive.  'main' and 'restricted' give you
what you find on the install cdrom.  'universe' and 'multiverse'
are optional, you can use them to get thousands of extra packages if
you wish (but with no guarantee of security updates).

    deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse

This line (or something similar) is a _must_ if you connect your box to
the net (it's where you will get the update to your kernel, for
example).  Again 'universe' and 'multiverse' are optional.

    deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse

I've never figured out what this line really does.  Can anyone tell me?
:-)

    deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse

You can add this line if you want to get to get updates to packages
that have been backported to breezy - it's mostly desktop type packages
and again, it's optional.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 14:53:24 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:53:24 +0000
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207111641.32964.qmail@web26013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207111641.32964.qmail@web26013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207145324.GF9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:16:41AM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  If I choose 2-6-12-9 kernel, when the system starts, instead of getting the debug [ok] messages printed, I just get a dark screen that slowly get whiter b4 the login screen appears.
>  
>  Also, the display shivers (shakes) as thougt it's running at too a high a resolution for the monitor.
>  
>  Any comments?

Yes.  Don't choose 2-6-12-9 kernel (use something else that works) :-P
(Sorry, I couldn't resist, ignore me, I'm mostly harmless).

Ahem!  Do you have a kernel that doesn't have this problem and if so,
what is it?

(And as I mentioned in an earlier post that kernel has had security
updates.)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 14:57:30 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:57:30 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512070657s3cd9868n9273ebfb2ddcf9bb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel

I actually like Ubuntu as a server because of some of the fact that it
has a known release cycle, and since it's free, I can afford to
upgrade every time a new version is released.  The apt system makes
doing this simple and manageable, even with a large number of systems.

In previous threads discussing this topic, I've heard a number of
people saying "I like debian as a server because of its long release
cycle.  Updating a server every 2-3 years or so works for me."

In my case, I like to know when the updates are going to happen rather
than using the phrase "or so" when scheduling an upgrade.  I also much
prefer to do small and simple updates every six months than
potentially more complex ones every 2-3 years "or so".

--

  -- AL --



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Wed Dec  7 15:00:50 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:00:50 -0700
Subject: Mounted Partition problem
References: <dn6qkm$pqn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <01d401c5fb3f$032c6640$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good morning!

> mount /dev/hdb1 /media/ft32 -t vfat
>
> When I open /media/ft32 I can see the folders on hdb1 however the icons 
> displayed with them are the gnome footprints, they don't open when double 
> clicked and they dissappear when right clicked. What did I do wrong or 
> didn't I do?

Maybe you don't have read permission for hdb1. Try opening hdb1 when running 
as root. If that works you'll have to fiddle with fstab so that users can 
get at hdb1.

Rob 




From uid000 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:03:01 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:03:01 -0500
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512070643s518e43d0v58cd25f7c2fc29ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512070643s518e43d0v58cd25f7c2fc29ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512070703v247783d3g906b825f2632d225@mail.gmail.com>

I believe the ssh server package, which needs to be installed, is
openssh-server.  Once installed no configuration is required--it's
ready to use!

On 12/7/05, Sean Hammond <sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> That NFS-howto looks pretty lengthy.
>
>  Who'd have thought setting up shared folders with either NFS or SAMBA would
> be so difficult? I would have expected to be able to do it all through the
> GUI.
>
>  Zach - thanks for pointing out that I can just use SSH. I assume that sshd
> is not running by default on Ubuntu, but that the package is part of the
> install so I can set it up (my machines aren't connected to the Internet). I
> actually know perfectly well how to use SSH and there's no reason I
> shouldn't have just done it in the first place except that I didn't think of
> it.
>
>  The GNOME FTP client is called gftp. It's ugly, but reliable.
>
>
> On 12/7/05, Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here's another option.
> >
> > For instances where you just want to transfer or retrieve some files
> > and don't need transparent access like samba or nfs provides, SSH is a
> > great option.  I personally install it on all my systems.   The gnome
> > ftp client (gnome-ftp?) is ssh capable, if you want a graphical
> > interface.
> >
> > Here's a great article to get you started:
> >
> http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1254222&tid=89
> >
> > There also is sshfs which gives you NFS-like transparency over an SSH
> > tunnel.  I messed with it for about ten minutes the other day but
> > wasn't able to get it to work.
> >
> > On 12/6/05, Sean Hammond < sean.hammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Situation:
> > >
> > >  I have two computers running Ubuntu Breezy, one a laptop and one a
> desktop.
> > >
> > >  I have physically connected the two computers via their network cards
> using
> > > a crossover cable.
> > >
> > >  Problem:
> > >
> > >  How do I get these computers to 'see' eachother, so that I can transfer
> > > files? There seems to be no obvious way that works. The computers do not
> see
> > > eachother via the Places->Network Servers window and it's not clear how
> to
> > > use Places->Connect to Server to connect from one to the other. I
> attempted
> > > to setup sharing with both NFS and SAMBA using
> System-Administration->Shared
> > > Folders and by following the Samba instructions in the starters guide. I
> > > also tried to activate the network interfaces using
> > > System-Administration->Networking, and tried giving
> each
> > > machine an IP address to use. All I could get was a dialog asking me for
> a
> > > password to connect to MSHOME when I tried to open Places-Network
> Servers.
> > > This seems to suggest that I had managed to create a network, but I
> never
> > > specified any password.
> > >
> > >  I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you reply to a message I posted to a mailing list,
> > and you want me to see your reply, be sure to put my
> > address in the 'To:', or I might not see the message.
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:13:44 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:13:44 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512070641s75c44742u77d3e74571fba63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<65516e440512070641s75c44742u77d3e74571fba63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80f459360512070713scc72d73y@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hijack this, but what exactly was the point of the reply before,
none of the posters questions were answerd. instead of asking what he
considered critial etc, ask him, or if u dont have anything constructive to
say, then stay quite.

Sorry I just had to say something before I go red in the face

 Serg Belokamen  <serg.belokamen at gmail.com> to Ubuntu
 More options   02:53 (12 hours ago) On 07/12/05, mi cuenta <
perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net
?
Depends what you consider critical.

> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
Depends what you consider safe.
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel
>
>
> --
- Hide quoted text -
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>

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From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Wed Dec  7 15:21:49 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:21:49 +0100
Subject: embedded vim editor in kde
In-Reply-To: <op.s1doz6zitvpscf@gnat.lan>
References: <op.s1db4yjotvpscf@tdr-0d900a9b769>	<cb39d0990512060854o54314642l5257a84e1aec59aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s1doz6zitvpscf@gnat.lan>
Message-ID: <4396FE0D.6000907@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

Ok, I posted before, but after reading my post, I see it was 
incomprehensible at best.

The problem is this:
I am using KDEVELOP, and I would like to use the vi-functionality that 
the kpart module is supposed to give me.
Now I configured the KDE Components in the system settings to use vim, 
and when I click "test" everything seems ok. However, I cannot select 
the embedded vim editor in KDEVELOP or in any other KDE app for that matter.

What am I doing wrong?



From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 15:23:46 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:23:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207145324.GF9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051207152346.24151.qmail@web26015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Of course, I'm using 2.6.10-6-386 which is fine.

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:16:41AM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> If I choose 2-6-12-9 kernel, when the system starts, instead of getting the debug [ok] messages printed, I just get a dark screen that slowly get whiter b4 the login screen appears.
>  
>  Also, the display shivers (shakes) as thougt it's running at too a high a resolution for the monitor.
>  
>  Any comments?

Yes.  Don't choose 2-6-12-9 kernel (use something else that works) :-P
(Sorry, I couldn't resist, ignore me, I'm mostly harmless).

Ahem!  Do you have a kernel that doesn't have this problem and if so,
what is it?

(And as I mentioned in an earlier post that kernel has had security
updates.)

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From mikus at bga.com  Wed Dec  7 14:51:44 2005
From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:51:44 -0600
Subject: Can't switch to console after upgrade to Breezy
References: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <AcvlDlW2vLUK092yn@daina.bga.com>

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:53:48 +0200 Johann Spies <js at wdsl.co.za> wrote:
> After upgrading to Breezy on my Thinkpad R31 I cannot get to the
> console using  Alt-Ctrl-<F1-11> as I should be able to do.  (I
> use tty12 for X11 but it also happens when I try to use the more
> usual tty7).
>
> I have determined that it is not a gdm issue.  It also happens
> when I start X11 with 'startx'.
>
> What went wrong?

The problem was found by Nicola Bolla <nicola.bolla at erogasmet.it> :

 Pre Breezy,  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc  was a directory.
  On Breezy,  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc  needs to be a file.


If you have a file on your system  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc.dpkg-new
then (as root) :

  Rename directory /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc (to something else)
  Rename the /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc.dpkg-new  file
         to  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc
  (reboot)

mikus




From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 15:28:09 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:28:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Old Kernel Versions
Message-ID: <20051207152809.75897.qmail@web26004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 Okay, as you can tell form my postings today, I've been having problems post breezy upgrade.
 
 Now, I can't see all my RAM using 2.6.10-6-386 under breezy. I'd like to install 2.6.10-6-686 but the only 686's under Synaptic are 2.6.12-10 which is crap (see previous post ;) )
 
 So, how can I get hold of older kernel versions?
 
 CIA 
 
 -Ants
 

		
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From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  7 15:41:24 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:41:24 +0000
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
In-Reply-To: <200512071457.07998.joantur@cancullet.org>
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4396C6BD.5080400@gmail.com>
	<200512071457.07998.joantur@cancullet.org>
Message-ID: <439702A4.2050203@ntlworld.com>

Joan Tur wrote:

> root at quinipt:/boot/grub# cat /proc/meminfo | grep Swap

or

  swapon -s

which will also show which device(s) are used.

Toby



From albertwagner at cox.net  Wed Dec  7 15:49:17 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:49:17 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <saltydog.1znwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net><saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1znwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4397047D.1060402@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
<snip>
> Allocated size is not "wrong" size. It is the "real" disk usage of each
> file. I will investigate more on this, but believe me this is the first
> malfunction on size I receive since april 2005 amd more than 3,000
> downloads. 

I am just guessing, but maybe the difference between ext2/3 and reiserfs 
should be investigated.




From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:50:18 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:50:18 -0500
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <1133965986.991.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133965986.991.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439704BA.8020300@gmail.com>

Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV wrote:
> 
> I delete the top panel entirely, and move the couple of icons I need
> from there down to the bottom.

I'm using 1280x960 resolution, so I deleted the *bottom* panel. Similar 
to you, I put everything I require on the *top* panel. Mac users will 
agree with me LOL!

-Steve.
-- 
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From js at wdsl.co.za  Wed Dec  7 16:03:20 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:03:20 +0200
Subject: Can't switch to console after upgrade to Breezy
In-Reply-To: <AcvlDlW2vLUK092yn@daina.bga.com>
References: <20051207095348.GA27666@adept.co.za>
	<AcvlDlW2vLUK092yn@daina.bga.com>
Message-ID: <20051207160320.GA29672@adept.co.za>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 08:51:44AM -0600, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
> The problem was found by Nicola Bolla <nicola.bolla at erogasmet.it> :
> 
>  Pre Breezy,  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc  was a directory.
>   On Breezy,  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc  needs to be a file.
> 
> 
> If you have a file on your system  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc.dpkg-new
> then (as root) :
> 
>   Rename directory /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc (to something else)
>   Rename the /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc.dpkg-new  file
>          to  /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc
>   (reboot)

Thank you Mikus!

That was the problem and your suggestion solved it.

Funny that I did not get the same problem when I upgraded
another laptop.


Regards
Johann
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             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better 
      for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two 
      hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall 
      be quenched."                Mark 9:43 



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Wed Dec  7 16:10:08 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:10:08 +0100
Subject: last try: embedded vi in kde
Message-ID: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

Sorry, don't want to spam, I just clicked wrong:)

The problem is this:
I am using KDEVELOP, and I would like to use the vi-functionality that 
the kpart module is supposed to give me.
Now I configured the KDE Components in the system settings to use vim, 
and when I click "test" everything seems ok. However, I cannot select 
the embedded vim editor in KDEVELOP or in any other KDE app for that 
matter.

What am I doing wrong?



From max_linux2000 at yahoo.es  Wed Dec  7 16:19:05 2005
From: max_linux2000 at yahoo.es (max)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:19:05 +0100
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <439704BA.8020300@gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>	<1133965986.991.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439704BA.8020300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43970B79.5070101@yahoo.es>

Steve ha scritto:

> Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV wrote:
>
>>
>> I delete the top panel entirely, and move the couple of icons I need
>> from there down to the bottom.
>
>
> I'm using 1280x960 resolution, so I deleted the *bottom* panel. 
> Similar to you, I put everything I require on the *top* panel. Mac 
> users will agree with me LOL!
>
> -Steve.

















































































































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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 16:21:34 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:21:34 +0000
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207152346.24151.qmail@web26015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207145324.GF9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051207152346.24151.qmail@web26015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207162134.GG9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 03:23:46PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:

> Of course, I'm using 2.6.10-6-386 which is fine.

That's the hoary kernel.

Does the boot up sequence (with the new kernel) appear under an Ubuntu
logo in a small window?  If so, that is just a cosmetic change between
hoary and breezy and nothing to worry about.
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  7 16:29:12 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:29:12 +0000
Subject: filesystem and mounting problems
In-Reply-To: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com>
References: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com>
Message-ID: <43970DD8.2090205@ntlworld.com>

Geoff-lists wrote:

> [4296011.463000] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hde1.

The fdisk and fstab look OK. As well as creating the partition, you need
to set up a filesystem. If you're not sure whether you have one, try

  e2fsck -v /dev/hde1

to check.  To create an ext3 filesystem:

  mke2fs -vj /dev/hde1

and use tune2fs to adjust the mount checks if required.

Toby




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Wed Dec  7 16:31:29 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:31:29 -0600
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>
References: <61af2c540512061519x6bbfd4f3sb77ff9eb32efc914@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c5fabd$83d0a860$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512061605p5d02c78as3769fbd1515c892a@mail.gmail.com>
	<016301c5fac7$18123710$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<61af2c540512070204y74bd6915tf295a78162803a13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4396BDE8.6010504@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <20051207103129.428ef199@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:18:08 +1030
squareyes <squareyes at internode.on.net> wrote:

> Hi Asif,
> try
> 
>  sudo pppconfig    in a terminal, and follow the prompts.
> When set up, connect from terminal with   pon "and isp name you
> entered 
> in the setup"
> Hope this helps
> Take Care
> Winton

If you have entered your USER (full email including ISP) correctly in
pppconfig all you need is <pon>, not the ISP name, too.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we
can solve them.
   - Isaac Asimov



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 16:33:22 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:33:22 +0000
Subject: Old Kernel Versions
In-Reply-To: <20051207152809.75897.qmail@web26004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207152809.75897.qmail@web26004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207163322.GH9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 03:28:09PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  Okay, as you can tell form my postings today, I've been having problems post breezy upgrade.
>  
>  Now, I can't see all my RAM using 2.6.10-6-386 under breezy. I'd like to install 2.6.10-6-686 but the only 686's under Synaptic are 2.6.12-10 which is crap (see previous post ;) )
>  
>  So, how can I get hold of older kernel versions?

I'm not clear that you have any real problem with the new kernel (see my
previous posts).  

You could help yourself a bit more when you post if you tell us, for
example, what ram do you have installed physically?  What makes you
think that you can't see all of it (what messages are you getting, from
where?).

(I know there can be problems when memory approaches 1G.  The biggest
box I have has only 512MB so I've not personally encountered them.)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 16:23:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:23:13 -0500
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net><saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net><saltydog.1znwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4397047D.1060402@cox.net>
Message-ID: <saltydog.1zoi0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Albert Wrote: 
> 'Forum Post wrote:

> <snip>[color=blue]

> I am just guessing, but maybe the difference between ext2/3 and
> reiserfs 

> should be investigated.

> 



Things are now fixed on CVS. It was a bug on reported block size.

New deb has been uploaded to debian master and will be online maybe
tomorrow.


-- 
saltydog



From duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk  Wed Dec  7 16:39:43 2005
From: duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk (Duncan Lithgow)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:39:43 +0100
Subject: Image question.
In-Reply-To: <BabaFree.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <bbda83370512070353l14dc5510hb1f7395a25efed4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BabaFree.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4397104F.9090805@lithgow-schmidt.dk>

'Forum Post wrote:

>Right click on a file in Nautilus and choose Properties.  Under the
>"Open With" tab change to gThumb.  All files of the same extension
>should be defaulted to gThumb.  Hope this helps.
>
you can also right click on a _directory_, and select to open with 
gThumb. Then 'open with gThumb' is added to the right click context menu 
of directories.

Duncan



From wade at wadesmart.com  Wed Dec  7 16:45:20 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:45:20 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com> <43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>
	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <439711A0.6020900@wadesmart.com>

12062005 2008 GMT-5

I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked
the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate.
Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it
activates. How can I solve this?

Wade




From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 16:46:57 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:46:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207162134.GG9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051207164658.97566.qmail@web26012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

You've lost me there. I assume you're talking about kernel 2-6-12-9 but as  for logos and small boxes during boot up .................. :( Unless you're talking about the OS options at startup?
 
 On boot up under the new kernel, I just get about two lines oftext and then the screen goes white(ish) and gets progressively whiter until the boot up sequence has finished and then I get the login box.
 
 Am I the only one having these problems? The white screen is really new to me and have never seen it during boot up with any distro I've used.
 
 I believe it's to do with X but why it starts up so early, I don't know.

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 03:23:46PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:

> Of course, I'm using 2.6.10-6-386 which is fine.

That's the hoary kernel.

Does the boot up sequence (with the new kernel) appear under an Ubuntu
logo in a small window?  If so, that is just a cosmetic change between
hoary and breezy and nothing to worry about.
 
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From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 16:48:26 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:48:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Old Kernel Versions
In-Reply-To: <20051207163322.GH9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051207164826.86208.qmail@web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I have 1G and I can only see 800MB. 

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 03:28:09PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  Okay, as you can tell form my postings today, I've been having problems post breezy upgrade.
>  
> Now, I can't see all my RAM using 2.6.10-6-386 under breezy. I'd like to install 2.6.10-6-686 but the only 686's under Synaptic are 2.6.12-10 which is crap (see previous post ;) )
>  
>  So, how can I get hold of older kernel versions?

I'm not clear that you have any real problem with the new kernel (see my
previous posts).  

You could help yourself a bit more when you post if you tell us, for
example, what ram do you have installed physically?  What makes you
think that you can't see all of it (what messages are you getting, from
where?).

(I know there can be problems when memory approaches 1G.  The biggest
box I have has only 512MB so I've not personally encountered them.)

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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 17:09:26 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:09:26 +0000
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207164658.97566.qmail@web26012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207162134.GG9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051207164658.97566.qmail@web26012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207170926.GI9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:46:57PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> You've lost me there. I assume you're talking about kernel 2-6-12-9 but as  for logos and small boxes during boot up .................. :( Unless you're talking about the OS options at startup?
>  
>  On boot up under the new kernel, I just get about two lines oftext and then the screen goes white(ish) and gets progressively whiter until the boot up sequence has finished and then I get the login box.
>  
>  Am I the only one having these problems? The white screen is really new to me and have never seen it during boot up with any distro I've used.

That doesn't sound right.  Does it work alright after you get the login
screen?
  
>  I believe it's to do with X but why it starts up so early, I don't know.

I don't understand what you mean about X starting early (most people
complain that it takes too long ;)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec  7 17:17:51 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:17:51 +0000
Subject: Old Kernel Versions
In-Reply-To: <20051207164826.86208.qmail@web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207163322.GH9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051207164826.86208.qmail@web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051207171751.GJ9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:48:26PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> Yeah, I have 1G and I can only see 800MB. 

Not a big problem in the short term (you should be able to do most
everything without the 200MB).  But you _still_ didn't say _how_
you know this.  What was the message and where did it come from?

(I hope someone else will reply because I've been celebrating this last
hour with some brandy).

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  7 17:26:46 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:26:46 +0000
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <439711A0.6020900@wadesmart.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>
	<43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>
	<439711A0.6020900@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43971B56.6010107@ntlworld.com>

Wade Smart wrote:
> 12062005 2008 GMT-5
> 
> I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked
> the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate.
> Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it
> activates. How can I solve this?

Often when a graphical application has an error it appends an error
messages to the file .xsession-errors in your home directory.  Open that
and see if it contains any clues.

Toby




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 17:38:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:38:38 -0500
Subject: Segmentation fault
References: <E1EcOwC-0000dw-6y@mail.renich.org>
Message-ID: <eryk.1zoksm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have same issues. 



Kernel: 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic @ Ubuntu Breezy 5.10

(new kernels freeze me, or make problems with wifi).


-- 
eryk



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec  7 17:44:42 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:44:42 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512070641s75c44742u77d3e74571fba63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<65516e440512070641s75c44742u77d3e74571fba63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133977483.19007.198.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 07:41 +0000, mi cuenta wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/7/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
>         hello:
>         
>         We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop

Not true..

Has a nice desktop but, is more than that..

>         
>         my question is 
>         
>         Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on
>         plugged to the net ?

Yes..
If this is a production machine it WILL require a firewall..


>         is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>         

yes...







>         I know that the only safe computer is the one that is
>         unplugged and stored on a safe box
>         
>         
>         I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>         
>         those are just doubts 

They are good questions..


Good luck


Vram



>         
>         Thank You 
>         
>         leonel
>         
> 
> 
> So  I must understand that  ubuntu  the main repo is  safe for a
> critical  production  server  with fast security updates
> and universe is safe  while I use "important" packages  but here I'm
> on my own 
> 
> Thank You all 
> 
> Leonel
> 




From hometoast at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 17:44:44 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:44:44 -0500
Subject: last try: embedded vi in kde
In-Reply-To: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
References: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512070944k58f110b1m5e465b210f7b010a@mail.gmail.com>

Well, posting three times doesn't necessarily get you 3x more answers - the
same folks read all three messages.  ANYWAY - it appears vim as a kpart is a
little buggy, so some people suggest to use KVim, a port of vim. It's
unmaintained by works well.

Please, while waiting for an answer (3 messages, same question, 2 days) try
(I mean really try) searching in google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=kdevelop+kpart+vim
gave lots of useful results.



On 12/7/05, Yoram Hekma <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Sorry, don't want to spam, I just clicked wrong:)
>
> The problem is this:
> I am using KDEVELOP, and I would like to use the vi-functionality that
> the kpart module is supposed to give me.
> Now I configured the KDE Components in the system settings to use vim,
> and when I click "test" everything seems ok. However, I cannot select
> the embedded vim editor in KDEVELOP or in any other KDE app for that
> matter.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
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From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Wed Dec  7 17:50:08 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:50:08 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the VM
Message-ID: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>

Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users and 
devel.

I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of 
the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one 
exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 to 
2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), the 
VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system 
starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as 
far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get 
dropped to a console saying:
  Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!

however, i do not get dropped to a shell and the VM just sits there, 
dead.

Luckily I make snap shots for just this purpose and can get back to 
right before the upgrade in seconds. I have confirmed that its only 
these 2 packages that cause this.

Not being a kernel "expert", or even a "the way ubuntu boots" expert, I 
am sort of stuck. Its obvious to me either the VM SCSI device is not 
being detected, or, if it is, its not being used at all. With not shell 
do goto i cannot diagnose the problem further.

Since dapper is a developemt work, and I'm running this in a VM, this 
is no big deal for me. I can just ignore that update for a while. I was 
jsut wondering if anyone else had the same problem/a fix/an answer.

Thanks and keep up the great work.

Matt Nicholson
sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com
sjoeboo.com




From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 17:54:37 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:54:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Old Kernel Versions
In-Reply-To: <20051207171751.GJ9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051207175437.87743.qmail@web26013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

David, firstly, thanks for your posts on this nad my other probs.
 
 As for how do I know, I just check my system resources after loggin in. The easiest way was using System Monitor.
 
 Secondly, although I'm sure I can manage without the RAM,  I have paid for it ;) so I'd like to use it but also, I don't kow if there would be other architecture implications for my machine if I don/t use a 686.

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:48:26PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> Yeah, I have 1G and I can only see 800MB. 

Not a big problem in the short term (you should be able to do most
everything without the 200MB).  But you _still_ didn't say _how_
you know this.  What was the message and where did it come from?

(I hope someone else will reply because I've been celebrating this last
hour with some brandy).

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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec  7 17:57:31 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:57:31 +0100
Subject: VMWare : how to access shared folders (Ubuntu as guest OS) ???
In-Reply-To: <439664D3.8080503@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <1133922040.8117.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439664D3.8080503@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <1133978251.14398.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 13:28 +0900, SiO4, Yong Hwan wrote:
> /mnt/hgfs/<share name>


Thanks.

New problem: I can't see anything under /mnt ! :o(

There must be a real problem then :-/


--
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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec  7 18:02:06 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:02:06 +0100
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
	VM
In-Reply-To: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1133978526.14398.73.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> I was jsut wondering if anyone else had the same problem/a fix/an answer.

Yes, I have exactly the same problem, 500% identical problem !
It's good to know that it's not just me then.
Like you I don't know much technically, but I assume it's a VMWare
problem, because when I updated my "real" copy of Dapper (I installed it
in VMWare/Breezy, but also on a second hard drive, for real world
experiments), everything went smoothly, there were no problems
whatsoever.


--
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From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 18:10:12 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:10:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: kernel 2-6-12-9
In-Reply-To: <20051207170926.GI9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051207181012.75173.qmail@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Okay, I'm now using the 2.6.12-10-686 kernel and the flickering seems to go away when X has 'warmed up'.
 
 So, am I the only person running this kernel (me thinks not) Am I the only one seeing the dark screen gettin whiter at boot up (me thinks). 
 
 OR, instead of seeing the startup msgs on bootup, have Ubuntu changed it so that we're supposed to get a pretty screen that covers over all of that like M$ ????????
 
 All this happens just after the tar file hase been uncompressed for bootup
 
 -Ants

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote: On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:46:57PM +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> You've lost me there. I assume you're talking about kernel 2-6-12-9 but as for logos and small boxes during boot up .................. :( Unless you're talking about the OS options at startup?
>  
> On boot up under the new kernel, I just get about two lines oftext and then the screen goes white(ish) and gets progressively whiter until the boot up sequence has finished and then I get the login box.
>  
> Am I the only one having these problems? The white screen is really new to me and have never seen it during boot up with any distro I've used.

That doesn't sound right.  Does it work alright after you get the login
screen?
  
>  I believe it's to do with X but why it starts up so early, I don't know.

I don't understand what you mean about X starting early (most people
complain that it takes too long ;)

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From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 18:31:28 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:31:28 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
 VM
In-Reply-To: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <43972A80.7020601@gmail.com>

matt nicholson wrote:
> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users and 
> devel.
> 
> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of 
> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one 
> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 to 
> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), the 
> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system 
> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as 
> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get 
> dropped to a console saying:
>  Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
> 
> however, i do not get dropped to a shell and the VM just sits there, dead.
> 
> Luckily I make snap shots for just this purpose and can get back to 
> right before the upgrade in seconds. I have confirmed that its only 
> these 2 packages that cause this.
> 
> Not being a kernel "expert", or even a "the way ubuntu boots" expert, I 
> am sort of stuck. Its obvious to me either the VM SCSI device is not 
> being detected, or, if it is, its not being used at all. With not shell 
> do goto i cannot diagnose the problem further.
> 
> Since dapper is a developemt work, and I'm running this in a VM, this is 
> no big deal for me. I can just ignore that update for a while. I was 
> jsut wondering if anyone else had the same problem/a fix/an answer.
> 
> Thanks and keep up the great work.
> 
> Matt Nicholson

Hi Matt,

On initial boot of your dapper vm, does the grub menu show the previous 
installed kernel? You should be able to select that and boot.

Sounds like it might be something to do with the booting procedure not 
recognizing the filesystem *type* that is on the virtual sda partition. 
Maybe editing the grub menu to specifically state the filesystem type 
might do the trick (provided you can actually boot into the system using 
the old kernel).

Then again I could be wrong... :-)

Thanks for the warning though... I too run VMware 5.5 and was thinking 
of installing dapper as a VM. Now I know what to look out for.

-Steve.
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From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 18:35:03 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:35:03 -0500
Subject: VMWare : how to access shared folders (Ubuntu as guest OS) ???
In-Reply-To: <1133978251.14398.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133922040.8117.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439664D3.8080503@users.sourceforge.net>
	<1133978251.14398.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43972B57.4070803@gmail.com>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 13:28 +0900, SiO4, Yong Hwan wrote:
>> /mnt/hgfs/<share name>
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> New problem: I can't see anything under /mnt ! :o(
> 
> There must be a real problem then :-/
> 
> 
> --
> Vince

You probably need to mkdir the "hgfs" directory and the "<sharename>" 
directory in /mnt (as sudo). Then hopefully you can mount the share 
(although I'm not sure where the source would be... /dev/?)

-Steve.
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From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 18:55:21 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:55:21 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
Message-ID: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>

Hi,
I have a Asus A8N Mainboard Dual Core X2 3800+ with the following kernel:
Linux philip 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Nov 18 12:20:27 UTC 2005 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

Two problems have occured:

The minor prob is that after some hours the system clock lives in the 
near future! (up to some hours)
Sync with a ntp helps for short time.

The major problem is that my keyboard repeats the pressed charactes 
suddenly! This isn't X fault, the error occurs on the other virtual 
consols either! This is very ugly and occurs only when the system runs 
some hours.

"This is an exampppppple text with repeattttttttttted characters. You 
can see that this behaviour makes it neaaaaaaaaaaarly impossible to use 
the computer!"

I think the time and keyboard problem are related in a strange way.
Hoppppppppppefully somebody can help!

Philip



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 18:38:45 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:38:45 -0500
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43971B56.6010107@ntlworld.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>	<43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>	<439711A0.6020900@wadesmart.com>
	<43971B56.6010107@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <43972C35.6060004@gmail.com>

Toby Kelsey wrote:
> Wade Smart wrote:
>> 12062005 2008 GMT-5
>>
>> I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked
>> the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate.
>> Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it
>> activates. How can I solve this?
> 
> Often when a graphical application has an error it appends an error
> messages to the file .xsession-errors in your home directory.  Open that
> and see if it contains any clues.
> 
> Toby

It sounds like a similar permissions problem I got with VMware. I could 
no longer launch as a user, but could as root (sudo). If you try to 
launch the app as normal (not sudo) in a terminal, it should tell you 
where the problem is. For my problem, I no longer had access to a 
preferences file as my normal user.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Wed Dec  7 18:43:42 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:43:42 -0800
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <200512061829.53199.dlaude@usadig.com>
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<20051206151727.GA16845@home.tig-grr.com>
	<200512061829.53199.dlaude@usadig.com>
Message-ID: <20051207184342.GA1205@home.tig-grr.com>

> > I did run into one problem though: hardware OpenGL is not working. 
> > Does it work for you?  If so, would you mind helping me out?
> 
> I just checked by running glxinfo and glxgears, it was SLOW.  Another
> thing is that it seems that the DRI is not loading, at least according 
> to the output from glxinfo.  After a bit of research I solved part of 
> the problem by dropping my default depth from 24 to 16, which
> speeded things up some.  Now I just have to do some more digging
> on the DRI issue.

I did some investigating this morning and found that there is a version
mismatch between the breezy xorg server and the binary MGA driver from the
Matrox site.  Some googling turned up this page:

  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78288.html

The post from _cato on 10-31-2005 explains how to solve the problem: fetch
and unpack the xserver-xorg-driver-mga package, copy the included mga_drv.o
into your active system, and restart X.

This seems to work for both 16-bit and 24-bit depths.

Also note that I have VGA outputs, I don't use DVI.

-- 
The difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no
difference, whereas in practice there is.



From peter at stoddard.us  Wed Dec  7 18:44:49 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:44:49 -0800
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
Message-ID: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi folks

Re Breezy Badger 2.6.12-10-powerpc

Can someone tell me how to either boot into single user mode or force an
fsck (or e2fsck) on boot?

Also, I have looked for he answer on Wiki and other places and can't
seem to find it.  Where is this info?

Thanks

Pete




From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Wed Dec  7 18:46:27 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:46:27 -0800
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <andras.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512062330.04986.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<andras.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051207184627.GB1205@home.tig-grr.com>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 07:40:51AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I've just purchased a used Matrox G450 PCI card. I've installed the
> hardware, but Ubuntu 5.10 could not startup with it. I've reinstalled
> Ubuntu 5.10, but my LCD screen remains black. The card is correctly
> working under Windows XP.
> 
> 
> 
> My system is a Shuttle ST62K (Zen) with onboard ATI 9100IGP and a
> Samsung SyncMaster 173P LCD display connected via the DVI connection.
> 
> 
> 
> I suppose that during installation Ubuntu recognize and install the ATI
> drivers ignoring the PCI Matrox card or some other conflict occours.
> 
> 
> 
> Can you tell me what can I do to use this graphics card on Ubuntu?
> Please try to explain considering that I'm still newbie with Linux
> settings.

The first thing I would try is switching to a VT (ctrl+alt+f1) and running
this command:

  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

-- 
When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you have
not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice.
        -- Otto Von Bismarck



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 18:47:32 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:47:32 -0500
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <43972E44.6000209@gmail.com>

Philip Axer wrote:
> The minor prob is that after some hours the system clock lives in the 
> near future! (up to some hours)
> Sync with a ntp helps for short time.

Try appending this to your kernel line in your /boot/grub/menu.lst

noapictimer

That worked for me on an earlier kernel. My current kernel seems OK so 
far...

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 19:17:31 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:17:31 +0100
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
In-Reply-To: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4397354B.1080105@nyware.de>

Hi,
a "man shutdown" says:
"The -F flag means ‘force fsck’."
So actually I would try

"shutdown -r -F now"

Philip




From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 18:53:10 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:53:10 -0500
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <43972F96.9080609@gmail.com>

Philip Axer wrote:
> The major problem is that my keyboard repeats the pressed charactes 
> suddenly! This isn't X fault, the error occurs on the other virtual 
> consols either! This is very ugly and occurs only when the system runs 
> some hours.

That sounds weird. Have you made sure you have the correct keyboard 
setting (ie. US 102-key, etc.)? Have you tried a different keyboard? Are 
there any other system problems?

This is a long-shot, but have you tried booting into memtest (should be 
a grub menu entry)? I once had a bad block of RAM and things only 
started to go screwy after a certain period of usage time. I guess if a 
memory register in the upper area is bad, the system won't encounter it 
immediately until after a while of caching/reading/writing etc. The most 
noticeable problem I was getting, were open apps just suddenly 
vanishing... no error, no dialog. Just open one instant, gone the next.

Good luck!

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com



From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 19:22:46 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:22:46 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43972E44.6000209@gmail.com>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de> <43972E44.6000209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43973686.6040304@nyware.de>

Hi,

Thanks I will give it a try! Is this hint only system time related or 
keyboard too?

>
>
> noapictimer
>
> That worked for me on an earlier kernel. My current kernel seems OK so 
> far...





From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec  7 18:58:38 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:58:38 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
In-Reply-To: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439730DE.1000601@cfl.rr.com>

Choose rescue mode from the grub prompt at boot time to boot into single 
user mode, or you can switch to single user mode after the system boots 
up by running init 1 ( as root ).  Once in single user mode, you should 
be able to remount the filesystem as read only, fsck it, then reboot.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to force a fsck?

Peter Stoddard wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> Re Breezy Badger 2.6.12-10-powerpc
> 
> Can someone tell me how to either boot into single user mode or force an
> fsck (or e2fsck) on boot?
> 
> Also, I have looked for he answer on Wiki and other places and can't
> seem to find it.  Where is this info?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Pete
> 
> 




From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Wed Dec  7 18:59:14 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:59:14 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <1133981954.6583.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:55 +0100, Philip Axer wrote:
> The minor prob is that after some hours the system clock lives in the 
> near future! (up to some hours)
> Sync with a ntp helps for short time.

Do you have experience with other operating systems on this hardware? If
they exhibit the same behavior, then your hardware clock has a problem
keeping the time. In this case, the package "chrony" will help. It not
only syncs to a time server (like ntp), but will also calculate the rate
by which your clock is wrong and correct it even when you are offline
for a long time. Worked perfectly for me.
If other OSs keep the time correctly on this hardware, then I don't know
what to do to correct the prob in linux. Of course, chrony will also
help, but it would be a kludge.

> The major problem is that my keyboard repeats the pressed charactes 
> suddenly! This isn't X fault, the error occurs on the other virtual 
> consols either! This is very ugly and occurs only when the system runs 
> some hours.

This -might- be a bug in the keyboard hardware or some such. I once
fixed a Toshiba Satellite laptop that had this problem. There were
kernel and X patches for it (either fixed the prob), and later a
workaround patch for this bug was included in the kernel. 
Your prob is probably unrelated, just take it as a hint that it doesn't
have to be the software :)




From RParr at TemporalArts.COM  Wed Dec  7 19:13:35 2005
From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:13:35 -0800
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
In-Reply-To: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4397345F.1090506@TemporalArts.com>

Peter Stoddard wrote:

>Hi folks
>
>Re Breezy Badger 2.6.12-10-powerpc
>
>Can someone tell me how to either boot into single user mode or force an
>fsck (or e2fsck) on boot?
>
>Also, I have looked for he answer on Wiki and other places and can't
>seem to find it.  Where is this info?
>  
>

Creating file "forcefsck" in the root directory should cause an fsck to 
be run on next reboot.

# sudo touch /forcefsck

or

# sudo echo " " >/forcefsck

I know this works well on Red Hat.  I have not really tested it on Breezy.

R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts




From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Wed Dec  7 19:01:09 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:01:09 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
	VM
In-Reply-To: <43972A80.7020601@gmail.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<43972A80.7020601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cde1389bdcf13f7703204466649d1df4@sjoeboo.com>


On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Steve wrote:

> matt nicholson wrote:
>> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users 
>> and devel.
>> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of 
>> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one 
>> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 
>> to 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), 
>> the VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the 
>> system starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it 
>> gets as far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds 
>> here, I get dropped to a console saying:
>>  Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
>> however, i do not get dropped to a shell and the VM just sits there, 
>> dead.
>> Luckily I make snap shots for just this purpose and can get back to 
>> right before the upgrade in seconds. I have confirmed that its only 
>> these 2 packages that cause this.
>> Not being a kernel "expert", or even a "the way ubuntu boots" expert, 
>> I am sort of stuck. Its obvious to me either the VM SCSI device is 
>> not being detected, or, if it is, its not being used at all. With not 
>> shell do goto i cannot diagnose the problem further.
>> Since dapper is a developemt work, and I'm running this in a VM, this 
>> is no big deal for me. I can just ignore that update for a while. I 
>> was jsut wondering if anyone else had the same problem/a fix/an 
>> answer.
>> Thanks and keep up the great work.
>> Matt Nicholson
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> On initial boot of your dapper vm, does the grub menu show the 
> previous installed kernel? You should be able to select that and boot.
>
Nope, cause its upgrades the kernel in place, not a "new version" of 
it, so it just auto-selects the only entry.

> Sounds like it might be something to do with the booting procedure not 
> recognizing the filesystem *type* that is on the virtual sda 
> partition. Maybe editing the grub menu to specifically state the 
> filesystem type might do the trick (provided you can actually boot 
> into the system using the old kernel).
>
actually, i managed to get to a shell once a day or so ago and, if i 
remember correctly, /dev/sda (the entire disk) didn't exits, let alone 
/dev/sda1 (the partition/filesystem), so i don't think its a filesystem 
problem, but more of a hardware (even thought its soft-vm-hardware) 
problem.

> Then again I could be wrong... :-)
>
> Thanks for the warning though... I too run VMware 5.5 and was thinking 
> of installing dapper as a VM. Now I know what to look out for.
>
no problem and thanks for the suggestions.

> -Steve.
> -- 
> Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 19:02:54 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:02:54 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck on boot?
In-Reply-To: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512071102k10e1acd9p69e7e9da706e68b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, Peter Stoddard <peter at stoddard.us> wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> Re Breezy Badger 2.6.12-10-powerpc
>
> Can someone tell me how to either boot into single user mode or force an
> fsck (or e2fsck) on boot?
>
> Also, I have looked for he answer on Wiki and other places and can't
> seem to find it.  Where is this info?
>

Sounds like fun, check out tune2fs and it's options for date that it
was last checked (-T) well into the past, and the time between checks
(-i) to something that is passed, it will fsck on reboot.

Personally, i set mine to 30 days which for me under normal
circumstances ends up being every time i reboot about every 2 or 3
months :)

There might be an easier way, I'm not sure.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From albertwagner at cox.net  Wed Dec  7 19:03:53 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:03:53 -0600
Subject: Interview With Fabio - Ubuntu Developer
In-Reply-To: <saltydog.1zoi0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<4395CAC8.60108@cox.net><saltydog.1zn18m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43962FD9.4070905@cox.net><saltydog.1znwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4397047D.1060402@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zoi0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43973219.5090105@cox.net>

'Forum Post wrote:
<snip>
> Things are now fixed on CVS. It was a bug on reported block size.
> 
> New deb has been uploaded to debian master and will be online maybe
> tomorrow.

Thank you.  I am looking forward to it.  It is indeed a useful utility.




From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 19:34:16 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:34:16 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43972F96.9080609@gmail.com>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de> <43972F96.9080609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43973938.6030203@nyware.de>

I definitv have the right keyboard setup. The keyboard is fine, because 
it worked fine for the past 2 years and I can't explain the time 
dependence (I have to run the system some hours at least) I think the 
time and keyboard thing are related because the repeatition of a 
character itself is time dependent. So if some internal clock skrews up 
(perhaps only every thousand cycles) the key thing get caused.
I will try your apic thing and hopefully everything is ok! I think (or 
hope!!!) that my memory is ok. (can't imagine that  a memory error 
results in _one_ and every time the same error.)

Philip


>
> That sounds weird. Have you made sure you have the correct keyboard 
> setting (ie. US 102-key, etc.)? Have you tried a different keyboard? 
> Are there any other system problems?
>
> This is a long-shot, but have you tried booting into memtest (should 
> be a grub menu entry)? I once had a bad block of RAM and things only 
> started to go screwy after a certain period of usage time. I guess if 
> a memory register in the upper area is bad, the system won't encounter 
> it immediately until after a while of caching/reading/writing etc. The 
> most noticeable problem I was getting, were open apps just suddenly 
> vanishing... no error, no dialog. Just open one instant, gone the next.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Steve.





From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 19:35:46 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:35:46 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43973686.6040304@nyware.de>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de> <43972E44.6000209@gmail.com>
	<43973686.6040304@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <43973992.2070206@nyware.de>

Ignore the last mail :)

Philip Axer schrieb:

>
> Thanks I will give it a try! Is this hint only system time related or 
> keyboar




From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Wed Dec  7 19:10:05 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:10:05 -0500
Subject: Citrix ICA Client Missing Lib
Message-ID: <1133982605.9298.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

alien'd the Citrix ICA client 9.x rpm; When attempting to run, Citrix
complains 'bout a libXm.so.3 dependency. Unable to locate the shared
object in either the installation or Synaptic.

Raymond




From lists at ninjafriendly.com  Wed Dec  7 19:13:24 2005
From: lists at ninjafriendly.com (Pete Hunt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:13:24 +0000
Subject: File associations / permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <20051206131646.e48a6534.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
References: <4394C4EE.4040400@ninjafriendly.com>
	<20051206131646.e48a6534.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43973454.6010509@ninjafriendly.com>

Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) wrote:
> 
> You could run eog with strace :
> strace eog wallpaper81.jpg 2>&1 | tee $HOME/tmp/log
> 
> That may tell you which system call leads to I/O errors.
> 
> ---
> Regards.
> 
> Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
> http://y.lesaint.free.fr/

Yup - gnome library wierdness.  Cleaning out my .gnome(s) and forcing a
reinstall of ubuntu-desktop fixed it.

Thanks for the heads up.

Pete



From k.macneil at verizon.net  Wed Dec  7 19:17:53 2005
From: k.macneil at verizon.net (Kevin MacNeil)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:17:53 -0500
Subject: OT motherboard/cpu suggestions sought
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9421dc6f0512061309v6e9ca9f9wdf32cf01a91b8d83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207191753.GA31234@doodler.dyndns.org>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 04:09:11PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
> Well, the computer I built about 6 years ago is on its last legs and
> I'm looking to build another, but quite a lot has changed since I
> built my last one! I rather prefer to stick with AMD processors, but
> don't know whether to go with an AMD 64 or not. Also, what mobo
> chipset should I be looking for? If possible, I'd like to get a mobo
> with onboard sound and video to save a few $$ to start. Any
> "gotchas" I should be aware of in terms of using it with Ubuntu?
> 
> This will be a family computer we'll use for photo
> organizing/editing, cd/dvd backup, and mostly general office
> apps--no gaming here.
> 
> Feel free to respond off-list to keep the chatter down.

Absolutely go with AMD 64! I haven't built any computers with onboard
video lately, but I think 939 pin AMD-64 CPUs and Nforce4 Ultra
chipset motherboards offer very good bang/buck. I recently built such
a system with an AMD-64 3000+ CPU and it's a very solid machine for
the money. Alternatively you could go with a dual core X2 cpu and have
truly serious performance for a couple of hundred more. 

I built this computer for a friend of mine who doesn't use linux,
however Knoppix saw all the hardware and everything ran just fine.

Nforce4 Ultra motherboards have GB ethernet, firewire, usb2, sata
raid, pretty much everything you would want. The retail CPU w/fan was
$146 and the motherboard was $105 or so from newegg.com. They're
probably less expensive now. Here's the board I used:

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/products_motherboard_2.cfm?pName=NF4UK8AA-8EKRS

I also recommend the Antec Sonata II case. It's well-built and quiet,
and comes with a 450w ATX12V power supply. Here's the link:

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15139



From wagspat at iit.edu  Wed Dec  7 19:25:29 2005
From: wagspat at iit.edu (Patrick Wagstrom)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:25:29 -0500
Subject: changing scheduling slice time
Message-ID: <1133983529.19594.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

So I've got a bit of an issue.  I've noticed that Ubuntu tends to force
a lot of context switches on the system, my breezy systems average about
2000 context switches a second (as reported by dstat) and around 1000
interrupts/s.  While this is good for creating a really responsive OS,
it's bad for some cases, at least I think so.

Specifically, the case I'm referring to is reading data from HDTV tuner
cards.  It appears that under Ubuntu, the large amount of context
switches don't allow programs to ever completely clear out the buffer.
Add in more tasks, the less likely it is to clear out the buffer.  This
isn't because of the load, more because the slices aren't long enough to
copy all of the data out of the buffer onto the disk.

When the system is under basically no load and the capture program is
the only thing running, it has no problem getting a perfect data stream.
However, if I start watching the stream at the same time as it's
recording, even if it never hits the disk, the increased task switching
and small time slice, causes the buffers to overfill.

As a reference, I performed a similar test under fedora core 4, which
averages to about 300 interrupts/s while idle and around 35 context
switches.  Even under heavy heavy load (copying lots of files, rendering
with pov-ray in the background, etc), it was able to keep up with no
problem.

So, can anyone tell me how to change the scheduling slice time in
Ubuntu?  I'd hate to have to abandon Ubuntu and set everything up again
with Fedora if it's just a matter of a kernel recompile or something
simple like that.

Thanks!

--Patrick
http://patrick.wagstrom.net/




From monotux at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 19:32:19 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:32:19 +0100
Subject: MC and rxvt
In-Reply-To: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20051207203219.a9e3b146.monotux@gmail.com>

Sounds like a problem with your font - or it might be how rxvt handles unicode.
Have you tried using rxvt-unicode?

Oscar

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:20:37 -0500
Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Maybe I should be asking on the rxvt list, but when I run Midnight
> Commander (4.61) in RXVT, MC doesn't draw using the regular graphics
> characters but instead with what seems to be accented and regular
> "foreign" characters. Is there a resource or something else which needs
> to be changed?  The same thing doesn't happen in XTerm.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Frank
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From magnus at therning.org  Wed Dec  7 19:35:50 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:35:50 +0000
Subject: Citrix ICA Client Missing Lib
In-Reply-To: <1133982605.9298.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133982605.9298.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051207193550.GA6155@die.therning.org>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:10:05PM -0500, Raymond wrote:
>alien'd the Citrix ICA client 9.x rpm; When attempting to run, Citrix
>complains 'bout a libXm.so.3 dependency. Unable to locate the shared
>object in either the installation or Synaptic.

This has been covered before. I found the following searching on Google:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54070
 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=329994

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

Increasingly, people seem to misinterpret complexity as sophistication,
which is baffling--the incomprehensible should cause suspicion rather than
admiration.
     -- Niklaus Wirth
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 19:28:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:28:01 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் Wrote: 
> 'Forum Post wrote:

> Sorry I missed this conversation before. Is this something to with the
> 

> broken cpufreq driver for P4s, i.e., p4-clockmod. I had this problem 

> where my CPU would only scale down from 2.66 GHz to 2.33 GHz. In Hoary,
> 

> it will go all the way to 333 MHz.

> 

> So if this patch you are talking about is indeed a solution to this 

> problem, I would definetly want in. Could you please provide more
> info?

> 

> -- 

> Regards,

> - Saru

> 

> 

> > Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் Wrote: 
> > 'Forum Post wrote:[color=blue]

> > 

> > Sorry I missed this conversation before. Is this something to with the
> > 

> > broken cpufreq driver for P4s, i.e., p4-clockmod. I had this problem 

> > where my CPU would only scale down from 2.66 GHz to 2.33 GHz. In Hoary,
> > 

> > it will go all the way to 333 MHz.

> > 

> > So if this patch you are talking about is indeed a solution to this 

> > problem, I would definetly want in. Could you please provide more
> > info?

> > 

> > -- 

> > Regards,

> > - Saru

> > 

> > There is a bug in the Intel specification of some of their CPUs... this
> > problem is known as N60 Errata, Because of this bug, some of the Intel
> > CPUs Hang when working below 2 Ghz(under linux)... so ubuntu kernel is
> > patched to see if your CPU have the N60 Errata, if so, it doesn't let
> > you to put your CPU freq under 2 GHz.... but It makes a lot of false
> > positives.... saying that you have the bug when it's not true.... so
> > i've make P4 optimized Breezy kernels with the detection phase of the
> > bug disabled... so these kernels DO NOT DETECT THE BUG.... and then you
> > can always work at frequencies below 2Ghz... If you were a false
> > positive, your computer will work perfectly at any frequency.. but if
> > you really have the bug, then your computer will hang with these
> > kernels....

> > 

> > I've packaged 2 packages, one for P4 without hyperthreading and another
> > without Hypertheading... they work for P4, Celeron (p4 Based) or
> > centrino CPUs

> > 

> > You don't have to forget to add the p4-clockmod module (or the one for
> > the centrino that i don't remember the name now), I've added it to my
> > /etc/modules file

> > 

> > Cilynx is going to host the kernels so everybody can download it, We
> > have to thank him for this.


-- 
djkork



From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu  Wed Dec  7 19:41:12 2005
From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (crimsun at fungus.sh.nu)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:41:12 -0800
Subject: Citrix ICA Client Missing Lib
In-Reply-To: <1133982605.9298.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133982605.9298.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051207194111.GA17317@fungus.sh.nu>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:10:05PM -0500, Raymond wrote:
> alien'd the Citrix ICA client 9.x rpm; When attempting to run, Citrix
> complains 'bout a libXm.so.3 dependency. Unable to locate the shared
> object in either the installation or Synaptic.

Install the 'libmotif3' package in multiverse.
-- 
Daniel T. Chen            crimsun at ubuntu.com
GPG key:   www.sh.nu/~crimsun/pubkey.gpg.asc
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From amichai at iglu.org.il  Wed Dec  7 20:14:35 2005
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:14:35 +0200
Subject: Alsaconf
Message-ID: <d9b8deb40512071214w3d75236dtdb5c17ec37719894@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am a newcommer to the Ubuntu distro, not to GNU/Linux.

I am having trouble with setting up my sound card - a SiS SI7012 OnBoard.

I can't find alsaconf anywhere in the sources  provided by the
installation.  I don't want to break anything  by downloading the source
and conpiling it.
My sound works - I can hear events but sound in games dosn't work.

Any pointers?

Thanks !

--
:====================================================:.

Amichai Rotman

UIN#: 6401746
Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/]

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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec  7 20:19:19 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: changing scheduling slice time
In-Reply-To: <1133983529.19594.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133983529.19594.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439743C7.7030800@cfl.rr.com>

Patrick Wagstrom wrote:
> So I've got a bit of an issue.  I've noticed that Ubuntu tends to force
> a lot of context switches on the system, my breezy systems average about
> 2000 context switches a second (as reported by dstat) and around 1000
> interrupts/s.  While this is good for creating a really responsive OS,
> it's bad for some cases, at least I think so.
> 

Just because you have a lot of context switching does not mean that the 
kernel is preempting tasks after a short time slice.  It may simply be 
the processes you are running tend to wake up and process a small amount 
of data before going back to sleep.

> Specifically, the case I'm referring to is reading data from HDTV tuner
> cards.  It appears that under Ubuntu, the large amount of context
> switches don't allow programs to ever completely clear out the buffer.
> Add in more tasks, the less likely it is to clear out the buffer.  This
> isn't because of the load, more because the slices aren't long enough to
> copy all of the data out of the buffer onto the disk.
> 

What makes you think it doesn't empty the buffer before it goes back to 
sleep?  It may just be waking up and consuming all of the data in the 
buffer in small chunks, so there are a lot of context switches.

> When the system is under basically no load and the capture program is
> the only thing running, it has no problem getting a perfect data stream.
> However, if I start watching the stream at the same time as it's
> recording, even if it never hits the disk, the increased task switching
> and small time slice, causes the buffers to overfill.
> 

Again, what do you base this conclusion on?  When you are doing this 
what is your cpu load?  It may simply be that your cpu can't manage to 
capture and encode the video while decoding and playing it all in real 
time.  This may have to do with the codec you are using ( one that is 
rather cpu intensive? ).


> As a reference, I performed a similar test under fedora core 4, which
> averages to about 300 interrupts/s while idle and around 35 context
> switches.  Even under heavy heavy load (copying lots of files, rendering
> with pov-ray in the background, etc), it was able to keep up with no
> problem.

Was this with the same video capture/encoder program using the same 
settings?

> 
> So, can anyone tell me how to change the scheduling slice time in
> Ubuntu?  I'd hate to have to abandon Ubuntu and set everything up again
> with Fedora if it's just a matter of a kernel recompile or something
> simple like that.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --Patrick
> http://patrick.wagstrom.net/
> 
> 




From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Wed Dec  7 20:20:49 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:20:49 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills
	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>


On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Collins wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
>> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users and
>> devel.
>>
>> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of
>> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one
>> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 to
>> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), the
>> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system
>> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as
>> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get
>> dropped to a console saying:
>>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
>
> Could you tell me the actual version of the linux-image itself
> (linux-image-2.6.15-6-386 or -7-386, most likely).
>
Working: linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
Failing linux-image-2.6.15-7-386

> Also, try adding BusLogic to initramfs module list and run
> "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386"
>
do this after a the new kernel is installed, before reboot?
Will try
> You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE 
> disk
> simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too.
>
Will also try

Thanks
> -- 
>    Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
>    Developer
>    Ubuntu Linux
>
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-devel mailing list
> ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel




From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Wed Dec  7 20:30:43 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:30:43 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills
	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>


On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:20 PM, matt nicholson wrote:

>
> On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Collins wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
>>> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users 
>>> and
>>> devel.
>>>
>>> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of
>>> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one
>>> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 
>>> to
>>> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), 
>>> the
>>> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system
>>> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as
>>> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get
>>> dropped to a console saying:
>>>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
>>
>> Could you tell me the actual version of the linux-image itself
>> (linux-image-2.6.15-6-386 or -7-386, most likely).
>>
> Working: linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
> Failing linux-image-2.6.15-7-386
>
>> Also, try adding BusLogic to initramfs module list and run
>> "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386"
>>
> do this after a the new kernel is installed, before reboot?
> Will try
>>

Tried this. No luck. Exact same situation.

>> You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE 
>> disk
>> simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too.
>>
> Will also try
>

You cannot change from SCSI -> IDE without creating a new disk. so this 
wouldn't work, unless a reinstall was done.

> Thanks
>> -- 
>>    Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
>>    Developer
>>    Ubuntu Linux
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ubuntu-devel mailing list
>> ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
>> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
>
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-devel mailing list
> ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec  7 20:34:57 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:34:57 +0100
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills
	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1133987697.14398.89.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 15:20 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE 
> disk simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too. 

How can we do that ? I can't see any options to do that :-/
The CD-ROM drive has options to select a SCSI or IDE virtual device
node, but for the hard-drive, I can only select SCSI device nodes,
nothing refers to IDE nodes...


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 20:20:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
References: <1133981089.4868.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4397345F.1090506@TemporalArts.com>
Message-ID: <tukuyomi.1zot4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Randall J. Parr Wrote: 
> 
> Creating file "forcefsck" in the root directory should cause an fsck to
> 
> be run on next reboot.
> 
> # sudo touch /forcefsck
> 
> or
> 
> # sudo echo " " >/forcefsck
> 
> I know this works well on Red Hat.  I have not really tested it on
> Breezy.
> 
It works fine with ubuntu too :)
Some lines from /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh:

Code:
--------------------
    #
  # Check the rest of the file systems.
  #
  if [ ! -f /fastboot ] && [ -z "$ac" ]
  then
  if [ -f /forcefsck ]
  then
  force="-f"
  else
  force=""
  fi
  
--------------------

...


Code:
--------------------
    sudo touch /forcefsck
--------------------
 will force check at boottime while 
Code:
--------------------
    sudo touch /fastboot
--------------------
 will bypass check

Also, tune2fs -i interval[d|m|w] allows you to set the interval between
each check:

Code:
--------------------
    tune2fs -i 1w
--------------------
 for a weekly check:cool:


-- 
tukuyomi



From perlero at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 20:52:34 2005
From: perlero at gmail.com (mi cuenta)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:52:34 +1700
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65516e440512071252n6588aa94u41867594f9fe9d8d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/05, mi cuenta <perlero at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the net
> ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and stored
> on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel
>
>


To be specific

Can I use php4 and squirrelmail from universe and get updated as soon
there's a bug fix for any ?

thank you
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 20:48:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:48:36 -0500
Subject: Printing multiple pages per page
References: <39da2baa0507050633384689d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1120660037.8522.6.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <rattusdatorum.1zou1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


and what should someone do, when he needs to print .ps .dvi etc. files?



don't tell me there is no solution, I mean this is a BIG quality issue!


-- 
rattusdatorum



From wagspat at iit.edu  Wed Dec  7 21:08:17 2005
From: wagspat at iit.edu (Patrick Wagstrom)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:08:17 -0500
Subject: changing scheduling slice time
In-Reply-To: <E1Ek5ka-0008IB-1U@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Ek5ka-0008IB-1U@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1133989697.22170.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> Just because you have a lot of context switching does not mean that
> the 
> kernel is preempting tasks after a short time slice.  It may simply
> be 
> the processes you are running tend to wake up and process a small
> amount 
> of data before going back to sleep.

Errors in the output of the MPEG file inidicate this is the case.
Testing the system with the older v4l driver, which had a different
buffering system, didn't show the problem.  I'm not saying it's
exclusively Ubuntu's fault, I think it's partially the DVB subsystem
too, but changing the time slice seems to fix it.

> What makes you think it doesn't empty the buffer before it goes back
> to 
> sleep?  It may just be waking up and consuming all of the data in the 
> buffer in small chunks, so there are a lot of context switches.

Under load I get lots of errors telling me that it was unable to empty
the buffer.  Examination of the file indicates that I've got truncated
and some missing frames, another solid indicator that the buffers
weren't fully emptied.  Also, other folks in the local linux users group
have the same problem with Ubuntu, but not with Fedora Core, SuSE, or
Gentoo.

> Again, what do you base this conclusion on?  When you are doing this 
> what is your cpu load?  It may simply be that your cpu can't manage
> to 
> capture and encode the video while decoding and playing it all in
> real 
> time.  This may have to do with the codec you are using ( one that is 
> rather cpu intensive? ).

My CPU can manage this just fine.  Capturing data takes approximately 2%
of the load on my Athlon 64 3200+.  I can OC the system up to 2.4GHz
(from 2.0GHz) and still have no problems, this drops all these numbers
further.  Playing back the data takes approximately 50% of the CPU on
the same system when using XvMC for video acceleration.  Disk IO is NOT
the limiting factor as I can pump a pretty constant 20MB read and write
stream simultaneously to the disks.  Watching and recording HDTV takes
about 2MB/s read/write.  Watching and recording puts my system at a
little over 50% load, at least until it starts to hit the damaged parts
of the MPEG file and needs to figure out how to fix them.

Even a marginal load from another task seems to cause it to crap out.
Such as running a process at maximum nice, which means it should nearly
always be pre-empted.  For reference, the card worked just fine on an
old Athlon 700 MHz running RHEL 3.  I couldn't watch and record at the
same time, but I could record and run other tasks at the same time
(compile, games, etc) with no problem.  On ubuntu I can't even fire up
Tux Racer, which barely taxes the CPU without it causing errors.

> > As a reference, I performed a similar test under fedora core 4,
> which
> > averages to about 300 interrupts/s while idle and around 35 context
> > switches.  Even under heavy heavy load (copying lots of files,
> rendering
> > with pov-ray in the background, etc), it was able to keep up with no
> > problem.
> 
> Was this with the same video capture/encoder program using the same 
> settings?

Yes.  I used azap and test_dvr from linuxtv.org to tune and capture the
data to disk and mplayer to play it back in the test.  Repeated the same
test as above, 50%ish load, works just fine.  Heck, I could even play
Quake 4 while getting the HDTV under Fedora with no problems.

You're right, it could be something other than the time slicing issue.
I'd just like to know how to change it so I can test this hypothesis of
mine.  If I lower it and the problem persists, then my hypothesis is
wrong.  I go look at bit more at the internals of the system and DVB
drivers and proceed from there.

So, anyone know how to change the time slice?

--Patrick




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 21:07:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:07:17 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com><4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com><22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com><22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com><4395B7C5.1000504@cfl.rr.com><22fe482e0512061044yac3b5fcg3de728de85097a88@mail.gmail.com><22fe482e0512061056m43f553famb3a14a9110f6e3e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4395F669.3000609@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <tommythecat.1zouza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I am having the same problem and want to work through your how-to, but I
also had an issue with the live CD.  It simply will not work on my
system, specifically it runs through all of the normal live CD bootup
stuff, gets to the gnoe GDM ubuntu welcome screen and suddenly the
system hard locks and the screen goes black.  The only way for me to
recover is with a hard reset.  I have played with the ubuntu live CD on
this system all day with no luck.  I have decided to look for other live
distros and see if any of them will work.  Knoppix worked well but I was
unable to get the ethernet on this system to function in knoppix so i
couldn't get the required package.  



I decided I would search for a live distro with dm raid already on it
and I found a gen2dmraid live cd that I am currently downloading and
attempting to install.  I assutehis should work well because the key is
creating and preformatting the linux partitions in preperation for the
ubuntu install.   



I am primarily posting this to say thank you for the how-to it seems
very well done, now I just need to muddle through it.


-- 
tommythecat



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec  7 21:29:22 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:29:22 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on SATA RAID 0
In-Reply-To: <tommythecat.1zouza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <22fe482e0512011007x56b3c613ye09b9983c6ac36f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4390B404.1020800@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512040850l561c920ancac73a43429f6fd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512050515k1eb08854o644efc6a428b0b0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4395B7C5.1000504@cfl.rr.com>
	<22fe482e0512061044yac3b5fcg3de728de85097a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512061056m43f553famb3a14a9110f6e3e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4395F669.3000609@cfl.rr.com>
	<tommythecat.1zouza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43975432.3090500@cfl.rr.com>

No, they key is getting ubuntu to recognize the raid array.  Using 
another livecd to format the disks won't do you one bit of good because 
the ubuntu setup cd won't recognize them.  Also, if the livecd does not 
work on your system, it is unlikely that ubuntu will work once installed 
either.

'Forum Post wrote:
> I decided I would search for a live distro with dm raid already on it
> and I found a gen2dmraid live cd that I am currently downloading and
> attempting to install.  I assutehis should work well because the key is
> creating and preformatting the linux partitions in preperation for the
> ubuntu install.   




From lists at userdox.com  Wed Dec  7 21:36:40 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff Purchase)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:36:40 +1100
Subject: filesystem and mounting problems
In-Reply-To: <43970DD8.2090205@ntlworld.com>
References: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com> <43970DD8.2090205@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <439755E8.3090600@userdox.com>

Toby Kelsey wrote:
> Geoff-lists wrote:
> 
> 
>>[4296011.463000] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hde1.
> 
> 
> The fdisk and fstab look OK. As well as creating the partition, you need
> to set up a filesystem. If you're not sure whether you have one, try
> 
>   e2fsck -v /dev/hde1
> 
> to check.  To create an ext3 filesystem:
> 
>   mke2fs -vj /dev/hde1
> 
> and use tune2fs to adjust the mount checks if required.
> 
> Toby
> 
> 
Thanks, I'll check when I get home.  The command I used was mke2fs -j /dev/hde1, I'll checkout what the -v option does seeing as I didn't use it originally.

Geoff




From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Wed Dec  7 21:47:21 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:47:21 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu as Server
In-Reply-To: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65516e440512061839o15500b98tadf9aec99984fb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43975869.90002@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

mi cuenta wrote:

> hello:
>
> We all know that ubuntu is  focused on  the desktop
>
> my question is
>
> Is it safe to use it as a critical production server on plugged to the 
> net ?
> is it safe to use  packages from universe ?
>
> I know that the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged and 
> stored on a safe box
>
>
> I don't intent to start a holly war or be a troll
>
> those are just doubts
>
> Thank You
>
> leonel
>
I use Ubuntu as my servers without issue.  I use some packages from 
universe without issue.

Mike K.



From js at wdsl.co.za  Wed Dec  7 21:52:54 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:52:54 +0200
Subject: How to install cinelerra
Message-ID: <20051207215254.GA12076@adept.co.za>

 I want to install cinelerra on Breezy but I had no success so
far.

I use the following lines in /etc/apt/sources.list:


deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy main restricted
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe
deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ breezy-extras main universe multiverse restricted
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted
#cinerella
# deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu  ./
deb http://static.kiberpipa.org/cinelerra/builds/sid/  ./
deb-src http://static.kiberpipa.org/cinelerra/builds/sid/  ./
deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main

and get the following errors:
=============================
$ sudo aptitude install cinelerra
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be
installed
E: Unable to resolve some dependencies!
Some packages had unmet dependencies.  This may mean that you
have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the
unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet
been created or been moved out of Incoming.

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  cinelerra: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2) but 1:4.0.1-4ubuntu9
is installed.
             Depends: libguicast (>= 1:2.0.0) but it is not
installable
             Depends: libquicktimehv (>= 1:2.0.0) but it is not
installable
             Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-3) but 4.0.1-4ubuntu9
is installed.
             Depends: libguicast (= 1:2.0.0-1cvs20051130) but it
is not installable
             Depends: libquicktimehv (= 1:2.0.0-1cvs20051130)
but it is not installable
===================================

js at kaaskas:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep cinelerra
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package libavcodec2-dev is not available, but is referred to by
another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted,
or
is only available from another source
E: Package libavcodec2-dev has no installation candidate
E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for hvirtual:
libavcodec2-dev
============================================

Or should I switch to Debian to be able to run cinelerra?

Regards
Johann

-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain 
      salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, 
      that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live  
      together with him."     
                         I Thessalonians 5:9,10 



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 22:03:45 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:03:45 +0800
Subject: How to install cinelerra
In-Reply-To: <20051207215254.GA12076@adept.co.za>
References: <20051207215254.GA12076@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512071403i4916dd02rff9b9708985b7dbf@mail.gmail.com>

This thread has some good support in it for cinelerra:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47617&page=4&highlight=cinelerra
and this post in particular makes it look easy:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=529745&postcount=37

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 22:24:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:24:46 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Hibernate is broken since final release ?
References: <1129383445.8083.16.camel@localhost.localdomain><200512070018.23524.joantur@cancullet.org><KermitJr.1zntxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512071458.09136.joantur@cancullet.org>
Message-ID: <bissej.1zoyom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i also already have that resume line, and it is still not working.  i
then tried changing the kopt line to this:

# kopt=root=/dev/hde1 ro pci=noacpi acpi_sleep=s3_bios
resume=/dev/hde5



which maybe sort of made progress. it still has tons of errors when
trying to resume, but instead of stalling it eventually sort of boots
up. however, nothing really works (cannot even ping my router.) any
ideas?

thanks.





Joan Tur Wrote: 
> Es Dimecres, 7 de Desembre de 2005 08:42, en 'Forum Post, 

> 

> .

> I've already got the "resume=" stanza in my menu.lst  8-?

> 

> --


-- 
bissej



From peter at stoddard.us  Wed Dec  7 22:45:58 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0800
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
Message-ID: <1133995558.4844.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks for all the replies.  Here is a summary:

(1) shutdown -r -F now

(2) Creating file "forcefsck" in the root directory should cause an fsck
to be run on next reboot.  Works on RedHat and breezy too.

(3) tune2fs

I think the following grub suggestion applies only to x86 hardware:

(4) Choose rescue mode from the grub prompt at boot time to boot into
single user mode, or you can switch to single user mode after the system
boots up by running init 1 ( as root ).  Once in single user mode, you
should be able to remount the filesystem as read only, fsck it, then
reboot.

To this list I'll add 

(5) Edit /etc/fstab, although I'll have to experiment with that.

Someone asked why I want to force an fsck at all.  I get what seems to
be an error message when I do a "find" starting at the root level, but
not when the "find" is started at a higher level.  For example:

root at daphne:/etc# find /etc -name smb.conf -print
/etc/samba/smb.conf
root at daphne:/etc# find / -name smb.conf
/etc/samba/smb.conf
/var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
/var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/1/etc/samba/smb.conf
/var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/2/etc/samba/smb.conf
/var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/shares/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
/usr/share/samba/smb.conf
find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in
your filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option.
Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have
been searched.
root at daphne:/etc#

I wanted to do an fsck to see if it would clear up that error message.
It didn't.

The fsck might be redundant in a journaled filesystem, I'm not sure.

Any comments welcomed.

Pete






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 22:44:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:44:54 -0500
Subject: Suspend to Ram on a T40p
References: <200510091340.31790.paxer@nyware.de>	<matthewn.1wwvwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Lillpjot.1y9s3b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4379088F.8080601@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <Lillpjot.1zozly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


probablly was a bit unclear. 



I did repartion and reinstalled the system while the HPA was disabled.

Unfortunately I do not think it is enough to turn it off in the BIOS if
you have partitioned the drive while it was activated, you need to
repartion the hard drive. (After you have turned it off).



The problem is that if it already exists the next time you suspend, the
BIOS send the wrong info.


-- 
Lillpjot



From lists at userdox.com  Wed Dec  7 23:17:17 2005
From: lists at userdox.com (Geoff Purchase)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:17:17 +1100
Subject: filesystem and mounting problems
In-Reply-To: <439755E8.3090600@userdox.com>
References: <4396C26B.1010306@userdox.com> <43970DD8.2090205@ntlworld.com>
	<439755E8.3090600@userdox.com>
Message-ID: <43976D7D.9050002@userdox.com>

Geoff Purchase wrote:
> Toby Kelsey wrote:
> 
>> Geoff-lists wrote:
>>
>>
>>> [4296011.463000] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hde1.
>>
>>
>>
>> The fdisk and fstab look OK. As well as creating the partition, you need
>> to set up a filesystem. If you're not sure whether you have one, try
>>
>>   e2fsck -v /dev/hde1
>>
>> to check.  To create an ext3 filesystem:
>>
>>   mke2fs -vj /dev/hde1
>>
>> and use tune2fs to adjust the mount checks if required.
>>
>> Toby
>>
>>
> Thanks, I'll check when I get home.  The command I used was mke2fs -j 
> /dev/hde1, I'll checkout what the -v option does seeing as I didn't use 
> it originally.
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
Thinking further, I don't know much about file systems etc, is ext3 the best type of filesystem to create?  I've got three drives (2G, 80G, 120G) that I will be mounting on my server, I'll be storing files that range in size from 2k (html) to 13G (video), and I'd like to access the data from Ubuntu desktop and Windows XP via Samba.

Geoff




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 23:05:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:05:16 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
References: <1133995558.4844.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <doitashimashite.1zp0ja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


...


-- 
doitashimashite



From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 23:21:30 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:21:30 +0100
Subject: Suspend to Ram on a T40p
In-Reply-To: <Lillpjot.1zozly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200510091340.31790.paxer@nyware.de>	<matthewn.1wwvwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Lillpjot.1y9s3b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4379088F.8080601@nyware.de>
	<Lillpjot.1zozly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43976E7A.3010003@nyware.de>

Hi,
I will try it over the christmas holidays. Currently I need my notebook! 
I will give an report, if it will work.

Philip

'Forum Post schrieb:

>
>The problem is that if it already exists the next time you suspend, the
>BIOS send the wrong info.
>  
>



From paxer at nyware.de  Wed Dec  7 23:29:33 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:29:33 +0100
Subject: Printing multiple pages per page
In-Reply-To: <rattusdatorum.1zou1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <39da2baa0507050633384689d0@mail.gmail.com>	<1120660037.8522.6.camel@localhost>
	<rattusdatorum.1zou1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4397705D.4070405@nyware.de>

Hi,

Install ghost view (gv) for ps viewing.
For printing ps and other files a man lp or lpr should give all infos.
There you should find something like "-o number and_so_on".
I would never say RTFM :)

Philip

'Forum Post schrieb:

>and what should someone do, when he needs to print .ps .dvi etc. files?
>
>
>
>don't tell me there is no solution, I mean this is a BIG quality issue!
>
>
>  
>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 23:30:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:30:29 -0500
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
References: <200512062330.04986.dlaude@usadig.com><andras.1zo7ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051207184627.GB1205@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <andras.1zp1gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Tom Marshall Wrote: 
> On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 07:40:51AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:

> > 

> > Hi,

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > I've just purchased a used Matrox G450 PCI card. I've installed the

> > hardware, but Ubuntu 5.10 could not startup with it. I've
> reinstalled

> > Ubuntu 5.10, but my LCD screen remains black. The card is correctly

> > working under Windows XP.

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > My system is a Shuttle ST62K (Zen) with onboard ATI 9100IGP and a

> > Samsung SyncMaster 173P LCD display connected via the DVI
> connection.

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > I suppose that during installation Ubuntu recognize and install the
> ATI

> > drivers ignoring the PCI Matrox card or some other conflict occours.

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Can you tell me what can I do to use this graphics card on Ubuntu?

> > Please try to explain considering that I'm still newbie with Linux

> > settings.

> 

> The first thing I would try is switching to a VT (ctrl+alt+f1) and
> running

> this command:

> 

> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

> 

> -- 

> When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you
> have

> not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice.

> -- Otto Von Bismarck

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users





The comand works, I go through the configuration, but when restarting I
got the message that the x-server fails to start.


-- 
andras



From qanton at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:49:28 2005
From: qanton at gmail.com (Igor Derbenev)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:49:28 +0300
Subject: pci-e ati x700pro on ubuntu 5.10
Message-ID: <1133999369.8841.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello:
I have install ubuntu 5.10 and have problem with video driver, I have
read Wiki section BinaryDriverHowto/Ati but it not helped me. There is
any way to install driver?
Log of Xorg:
(II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
Duplicate symbol rol_long in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a

Fatal server error:
Module load failure





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec  7 23:53:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:53:35 -0500
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051207140346.GG315@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <Rovenhot.1zp2dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm experiencing an identical problem even after holding down "c" during
startup.  I'll try "option" sometime soon, but does anyone have any
insights?  I am using a ShipIt CD, which, as I understand is sometimes
required, since some CD-R's won't be recognized as a boot volume by Mac
OS X.


-- 
Rovenhot



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Thu Dec  8 00:40:54 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:40:54 -0800
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <andras.1zp1gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051207184627.GB1205@home.tig-grr.com>
	<andras.1zp1gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051208004054.GA5312@home.tig-grr.com>

> The comand works, I go through the configuration, but when restarting I
> got the message that the x-server fails to start.

I have personally never used a PCI graphics card in a machine with an
onboard (presumedly AGP?) display adapter, nor have I ever used DVI output
on a Matrox card (I'm sure it's nicer than d-sub though).  You might find
clues as to why the X server is failing to start in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. and
it might be helpful to post your current xorg.conf.  My next guesses are to
verify that the BIOS is set to use the PCI adapter first and to specify the
PCI bus for the adapter in the xorg.conf Device section, but I'm really just
shooting in the dark here.

-- 
'media ethics' is an oxymoron, much like 'jumbo shrimp' and 'Microsoft Works'.



From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 00:34:04 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:34:04 +0000
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
In-Reply-To: <Rovenhot.1zp2dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>	<20051207140346.GG315@riva.ucam.org>
	<Rovenhot.1zp2dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43977F7C.4050409@yahoo.co.uk>

'Forum Post wrote:
> I'm experiencing an identical problem even after holding down "c" during
> startup.  I'll try "option" sometime soon, but does anyone have any
> insights?  I am using a ShipIt CD, which, as I understand is sometimes
> required, since some CD-R's won't be recognized as a boot volume by Mac
> OS X.

its more that some old cd drives dont read cdr so well. (high quality, slowly burned cdr may work better).

it seems that some mac are having problems booting ubuntu. mostly new powerbooks. also the xorg.conf is not always set properly.

have a look though 
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=95 

you might find some tips/similar problems there.

with some testing of the next few dapper flight cds, and bug filing prehaps we can avoid these proplems for dapper.

sam

		
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From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Thu Dec  8 00:49:41 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:49:41 -0800
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <20051208004054.GA5312@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <20051207184627.GB1205@home.tig-grr.com>
	<andras.1zp1gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051208004054.GA5312@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <20051208004941.GB5312@home.tig-grr.com>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:40:54PM -0800, Tom Marshall wrote:
> > The comand works, I go through the configuration, but when restarting I
> > got the message that the x-server fails to start.
> 
> I have personally never used a PCI graphics card in a machine with an
> onboard (presumedly AGP?) display adapter, nor have I ever used DVI output
> on a Matrox card (I'm sure it's nicer than d-sub though).  You might find
> clues as to why the X server is failing to start in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. and
> it might be helpful to post your current xorg.conf.  My next guesses are to
> verify that the BIOS is set to use the PCI adapter first and to specify the
> PCI bus for the adapter in the xorg.conf Device section, but I'm really just
> shooting in the dark here.

Oh yes, and I seem to recall that the Matrox binary driver (mga_hal) is
required to enable the DVI output.  But as I said, I've never used it, and
others will surely have more definitive answers.

-- 
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but 
rather when there is nothing left to take away.                          
        -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery



From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Thu Dec  8 01:01:28 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matthew nicholson)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:01:28 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper
	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 16:25 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 15:30 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:20 PM, matt nicholson wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Collins wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> > >>> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users 
> > >>> and
> > >>> devel.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of
> > >>> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one
> > >>> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 
> > >>> to
> > >>> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), 
> > >>> the
> > >>> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system
> > >>> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as
> > >>> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get
> > >>> dropped to a console saying:
> > >>>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
> > >>
> > >> Could you tell me the actual version of the linux-image itself
> > >> (linux-image-2.6.15-6-386 or -7-386, most likely).
> > >>
> > > Working: linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
> > > Failing linux-image-2.6.15-7-386
> 
> Expected. We added the BusLogic device table in -8 or -9, can't recall.
> 
> > >> Also, try adding BusLogic to initramfs module list and run
> > >> "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386"
> > >>
> > > do this after a the new kernel is installed, before reboot?
> > > Will try
> > >>
> > 
> > Tried this. No luck. Exact same situation.
> 
> Ok, send me lspci and dmesg output please (working kernel).
> 
> > >> You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE 
> > >> disk
> > >> simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too.
> > >>
> > > Will also try
> > >
> > 
> > You cannot change from SCSI -> IDE without creating a new disk. so this 
> > wouldn't work, unless a reinstall was done.
> 
> Are you sure? Even if you power off the virtual machine, it still wont
> let you change it?
> 
i'm sure. cdrom=yes. hard drive=no.

lspci is as follows:

0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
Host bridge (rev 01)
0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
AGP bridge (rev 01)
0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev
08)
0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE
(rev 01)
0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB
0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 08)
0000:00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI
Display Adapter
0000:00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030
PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01)
0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970
[PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 10)
0000:00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
(rev 02)

dmesg is as follows:

sjoeboo at dapper:~$ dmesg
4294667.296000] IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 1, version 17, address 0xfec00000,
GSI 0-23
[4294667.296000] ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 high
edge)
[4294667.296000] ACPI: IRQ0 used by override.
[4294667.296000] ACPI: IRQ2 used by override.
[4294667.296000] ACPI: IRQ9 used by override.
[4294667.296000] Enabling APIC mode:  Flat.  Using 1 I/O APICs
[4294667.296000] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information
[4294667.296000] Allocating PCI resources starting at 20000000 (gap:
20000000:de c00000)
[4294667.296000] Built 1 zonelists
[4294667.296000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[4294667.296000] mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000)
[4294667.296000] mapped IOAPIC to ffffc000 (fec00000)
[4294667.296000] Initializing CPU#0
[4294667.296000] PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes)
[4294667.296000] Detected 2018.368 MHz processor.
[4294667.296000] Using pmtmr for high-res timesource
[4294667.296000] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[4294668.410000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7,
524288 bytes )
[4294668.411000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144
bytes)
[4294668.420000] Memory: 511236k/524288k available (1415k kernel code,
12420k re served, 763k data, 224k init, 0k highmem)
[4294668.420000] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in
superviso r mode... Ok.
[4294668.421000] Calibrating delay loop... 3973.12 BogoMIPS
(lpj=1986560)
[4294668.443000] Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized
[4294668.443000] SELinux:  Disabled at boot.
[4294668.443000] Mount-cache hash table entries: 512
[4294668.444000] CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0febfbff 00000000
00000000 0 0000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[4294668.444000] CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0febfbff 00000000
00000000 00 000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[4294668.444000] CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K
[4294668.444000] CPU: L2 cache: 512K
[4294668.444000] CPU: After all inits, caps: 0febfbff 00000000 00000000
00000080  00000000 00000000 00000000
[4294668.444000] CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz stepping 08
[4294668.444000] Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
[4294668.444000] Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
[4294668.444000] Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
[4294668.448000] Checking for popad bug... OK.
[4294668.451000] checking if image is initramfs... it is
[4294668.915000] Freeing initrd memory: 4819k freed
[4294668.916000] ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[4294668.965000]  not found!
[4294668.972000] ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs
[4294668.972000] ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=-1
[4294669.084000] NET: Registered protocol family 16
[4294669.084000] EISA bus registered
[4294669.084000] ACPI: bus type pci registered
[4294669.084000] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd9a0, last
bus=1
[4294669.084000] PCI: Using configuration type 1
[4294669.084000] mtrr: v2.0 (20020519)
[4294669.086000] ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050729
[4294669.099000] ACPI: Interpreter enabled
[4294669.099000] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing
[4294669.099000] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00)
[4294669.099000] PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
[4294669.100000] ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] segment is 0
[4294669.108000] Boot video device is 0000:00:0f.0
[4294669.110000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]
[4294669.112000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11
14 15) *0, disabled.
[4294669.112000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10
*11 14 15)[4294669.112000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6
7 9 *10 11 14 15)[4294669.112000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs
3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 14 15)[4294669.126000] Linux Plug and Play Support
v0.97 (c) Adam Belay
[4294669.126000] pnp: PnP ACPI init
[4294669.148000] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices
[4294669.148000] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
[4294669.149000] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
[4294669.149000] PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq".  If
it helps , post a report
[4294669.149000] PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device
0000:00:07.1
[4294669.152000] Simple Boot Flag at 0x36 set to 0x1
[4294669.154000] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
[4294669.154000] audit: initialized
[4294669.154000] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1
[4294669.154000] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096
bytes)
[4294669.154000] devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch at atnf.csiro.au)
[4294669.154000] devfs: boot_options: 0x0
[4294669.154000] Initializing Cryptographic API
[4294669.154000] Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers.
[4294669.155000] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[4294669.511000] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
[4294669.524000] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBC,PNP0f13:MOUS] at
0x60,0x64 ir q 1,12
[4294670.035000] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[4294670.035000] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[4294670.035000] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 54 ports,
IRQ shari ng enabled
[4294670.036000] ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[4294670.037000] ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
[4294670.037000] ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[4294670.037000] ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
[4294670.037000] io scheduler noop registered
[4294670.037000] io scheduler anticipatory registered
[4294670.037000] io scheduler deadline registered
[4294670.037000] io scheduler cfq registered
[4294670.037000] RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size
1024 bl ocksize
[4294670.038000] EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0
[4294670.038000] Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1
[4294670.038000] EISA: Detected 0 cards.
[4294670.038000] NET: Registered protocol family 2
[4294670.044000] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0
[4294670.050000] IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes
[4294670.050000] TCP established hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8,
1048576 b ytes)
[4294670.050000] TCP bind hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144
bytes)
[4294670.050000] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind
65536)
[4294670.050000] NET: Registered protocol family 8
[4294670.050000] NET: Registered protocol family 20
[4294670.051000] ACPI wakeup devices:
[4294670.051000]  USB
[4294670.051000] ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S5)
[4294670.051000] Freeing unused kernel memory: 224k freed
[4294670.110000] vga16fb: initializing
[4294670.110000] vga16fb: mapped to 0xc00a0000
[4294670.176000] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[4294670.176000] fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
[4294671.509000] Capability LSM initialized
[4294671.535000] NET: Registered protocol family 1
[4294671.556000] Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision:
7.00alpha2
[4294671.556000] ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes;
override wi th idebus=xx
[4294671.556000] ACPI: bus type ide registered
[4294671.580000] Fusion MPT base driver 3.01.20
[4294671.580000] Copyright (c) 1999-2004 LSI Logic Corporation
[4294671.580000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level,
low) -> I RQ 17
[4294671.580000] mptbase: Initiating ioc0 bringup
[4294671.581000] ioc0: 53C1030: Capabilities={Initiator}
[4294671.585000] SCSI subsystem initialized
[4294671.586000] Fusion MPT SCSI Host driver 3.01.20
[4294671.586000] scsi0 : ioc0: LSI53C1030, FwRev=00000000h, Ports=1,
MaxQ=128, I RQ=17
[4294671.587000]   Vendor: VMware,   Model: VMware Virtual S  Rev: 1.0
[4294671.587000]   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI
revision : 02
[4294671.598000] PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1
[4294671.598000] PIIX4: chipset revision 1
[4294671.598000] PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[4294671.598000]     ide1: BM-DMA at 0x14d8-0x14df, BIOS settings:
hdc:DMA, hdd: pio
[4294671.598000] Probing IDE interface ide1...
[4294672.270000] hdc: VMware Virtual IDE CDROM Drive, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM
drive
[4294672.580000] ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
[4294672.586000] Probing IDE interface ide0...
[4294673.101000] Probing IDE interface ide2...
[4294673.614000] Probing IDE interface ide3...
[4294674.128000] Probing IDE interface ide4...
[4294674.642000] Probing IDE interface ide5...
[4294675.222000] hdc: ATAPI 1X CD-ROM drive, 32kB Cache
[4294675.223000] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[4294675.284000] SCSI device sda: 16777216 512-byte hdwr sectors (8590
MB)
[4294675.286000] sda: asking for cache data failed
[4294675.287000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[4294675.296000] SCSI device sda: 16777216 512-byte hdwr sectors (8590
MB)
[4294675.296000] sda: asking for cache data failed
[4294675.296000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[4294675.296000]  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 >
[4294675.345000] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[4294681.279000] Attempting manual resume
[4294681.283000] swsusp: Suspend partition has wrong signature?
[4294681.492000] usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
[4294681.493000] usbcore: registered new driver hub
[4294681.499000] USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2
[4294681.501000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:07.2[D] -> GSI 19 (level,
low) -> I RQ 19
[4294681.502000] uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB
PIIX4 US B
[4294681.571000] uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, assigned
bus num ber 1
[4294681.572000] uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 19, io base 0x00001060
[4294681.590000] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[4294681.592000] hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[4294681.775000] pcnet32.c:v1.30j 29.04.2005 tsbogend at alpha.franken.de
[4294681.776000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level,
low) -> I RQ 18
[4294681.778000] pcnet32: PCnet/PCI II 79C970A at 0x1400, 00 0c 29 f6 f7
84 assi gned IRQ 18.
[4294681.782000] eth0: registered as PCnet/PCI II 79C970A
[4294681.783000] pcnet32: 1 cards_found.
[4294692.844000] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1])
[4294692.845000] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states)
[4294696.160000] Attempting manual resume
[4294696.161000] swsusp: Suspend partition has wrong signature?
[4294696.237000] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[4294696.240000] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[4294698.892000] md: md driver 0.90.1 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
[4294724.678000] Adding 377488k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1
extents:1
[4294726.842000] EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
[4294729.726000] parport: PnPBIOS parport detected.
[4294729.727000] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[4294729.879000] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
[4294730.113000] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[4294730.255000] input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1
[4294736.997000] device-mapper: 4.4.0-ioctl (2005-01-12) initialised:
dm-devel at r edhat.com
[4294744.053000] cdrom: open failed.
[4294764.994000] Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
[4294765.238000] agpgart: Detected an Intel 440BX Chipset.
[4294765.336000] agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe8000000
[4294769.400000] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[4294770.212000] shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0
[4294770.212000] shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver
version: 0.4
[4294771.480000] piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: Found 0000:00:07.3 device
[4294771.481000] piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: Host SMBus controller not
enabled!
[4294776.077000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:12.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level,
low) -> I RQ 19
[4294782.441000] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12
[4294782.686000] input: PC Speaker
[4294783.279000] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[4294783.317000] FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
[4294790.507000] Linux Kernel Card Services
[4294790.507000]   options:  [pci] [cardbus] [pm]
[4294790.895000] Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[4294790.970000] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
virtual add ress 00000000
[4294790.970000]  printing eip:
[4294790.970000] c0112cac
[4294790.970000] *pde = 00000000
[4294790.970000] Oops: 0000 [#1]
[4294790.970000] Modules linked in: i82365 rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia_core
floppy pcs pkr rtc snd_ens1371 gameport snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device
snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_o ss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd
soundcore snd_page_alloc i2c_piix4 i2c_co re shpchp pci_hotplug
intel_agp agpgart dm_mod psmouse mousedev parport_pc lp pa rport md ext3
jbd thermal processor fan pcnet32 mii uhci_hcd usbcore sd_mod ide_ cd
cdrom ide_generic mptscsih scsi_mod mptbase piix ide_core unix vesafb
capabil ity commoncap vga16fb vgastate softcursor cfbimgblt cfbfillrect
cfbcopyarea fbco n tileblit font bitblit
[4294790.970000] CPU:    0
[4294790.970000] EIP:    0060:[<c0112cac>]    Not tainted VLI
[4294790.970000] EFLAGS: 00010086   (2.6.12-9-386)
[4294790.970000] EIP is at __wake_up_common+0xf/0x47
[4294790.970000] eax: e0a1fc48   ebx: 00000001   ecx: e0a1be30   edx:
00000000
[4294790.970000] esi: c02ea2c8   edi: e0a1fc48   ebp: df559f38   esp:
df559f28
[4294790.970000] ds: 007b   es: 007b   ss: 0068
[4294790.970000] Process modprobe (pid: 5832, threadinfo=df558000
task=df441020)[4294790.970000] Stack: c02ea2e0 00000286 c02ea2c8
c02ea2e0 df559f58 c0112d5a e0 a1fc48 00000003
[4294790.970000]        00000001 00000000 00000000 e0a1e96c c02ea5c4
c019965b e0 a1e948 e0a1e984
[4294790.970000]        c0199680 c0000000 df558000 c0199d92 e0a1e96c
00000000 e0 a1e8c0 c01996a0
[4294790.970000] Call Trace:
[4294790.970000]  [<c0112d5a>] complete+0x1a/0x24
[4294790.970000]  [<c019965b>] kobject_cleanup+0x40/0x65
[4294790.970000]  [<c0199680>] kobject_release+0x0/0xa
[4294790.970000]  [<c0199d92>] kref_put+0x46/0x54
[4294790.970000]  [<c01996a0>] kobject_put+0x16/0x19
[4294790.970000]  [<c0199680>] kobject_release+0x0/0xa
[4294790.970000]  [<e09ebda8>] init_i82365+0x70/0x165 [i82365]
[4294790.970000]  [<c0129682>] sys_init_module+0xb5/0x172
[4294790.970000]  [<c0102e9f>] sysenter_past_esp+0x54/0x75
[4294790.970000] Code: 08 03 8d 65 f4 5b 5e 5f 5d c3 55 89 e5 8b 45 08
8b 50 04 89 55 08 5d e9 07 f8 ff ff 55 89 e5 57 56 53 57 8b 7d 08 8b 5d
10 8b 17 <8b> 02 39 fa 89 45 f0 74 27 8b 72 f4 ff 75 18 8d 42 f4 ff 75
14
[4294790.970000]  <6>NET: Registered protocol family 17
[4294807.321000] NET: Registered protocol family 10
[4294807.331000] Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c02eb280(lo)
[4294807.354000] IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver
[4294815.160000] ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line)
[4294816.277000] ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]
[4294818.029000] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[4294818.253000] ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[4294855.876000] vmhgfs: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel
tainted.
[4294855.877000] vmhgfs: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel.
[4294856.794000] apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version
1.16ac)
[4294856.795000] apm: overridden by ACPI.
[4294858.839000] hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
[4294858.839000] hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand }
[4294858.839000] ide: failed opcode was: 0xec
[4294858.905000] hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
[4294858.905000] hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand }
[4294858.905000] ide: failed opcode was: 0xec
[4294860.530000] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.7
[4294860.530000] NET: Registered protocol family 31
[4294860.530000] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager
initialized
[4294860.531000] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
[4294860.705000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.7
[4294860.705000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[4294860.718000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.5
[4294860.718000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
[4294860.719000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized


thanks.
-- 
matthew nicholson <sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com>
sjoeboo.com
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 01:09:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:09:59 -0500
Subject: Faxmodem software
References: <adbefcbf050907115934cea17c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <foolosophy.1zp63a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I would also like to know. I have an external faxmodem, and I would like
to be able to use its fax and voicemail utilities (which I used to run
under Windows, because the software came along with the drivers in a
cd).


-- 
foolosophy



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Thu Dec  8 01:27:00 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:27:00 -0500
Subject: MC and rxvt
In-Reply-To: <20051207203219.a9e3b146.monotux@gmail.com>
References: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051207203219.a9e3b146.monotux@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051207202700.7824dcdd.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:32:19 +0100
Oscar <monotux at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a problem with your font - or it might be how rxvt handles unicode.
> Have you tried using rxvt-unicode?
> 
> Oscar
> 
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:20:37 -0500
> Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe I should be asking on the rxvt list, but when I run Midnight
> > Commander (4.61) in RXVT, MC doesn't draw using the regular graphics
> > characters but instead with what seems to be accented and regular
> > "foreign" characters. Is there a resource or something else which needs
> > to be changed?  The same thing doesn't happen in XTerm.


rxvt-unicode is not in the repositories. The rxvt thats in is the one
giving me problems. rxvt-unicode used to be part of the package but
someone has made some changes. Too bad. Its my favorite term.

Cheers



From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 01:34:20 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:34:20 -0500
Subject: compaq presario 2100, suspend on lid close, resume fails
Message-ID: <37dd77890512071734q4ef3a102vb37a97d12ac7aca0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've run into my first real issue with my laptop.

I decided that I would set it so that when I close the lid, rather
than just a blank locked screen it would suspend.

I enabled the suspend option in /etc/default/acpi

I edited /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn to point to /etc/acpi/sleep.sh

All is well, when I close the lid it suspends.  A little HD activity,
then it shuts off with a soft blinking power light.  As it should.

The problem arises when I open the lid.

The lights all come on for a brief second, then the whole machine powers down.

There's nothing in the kern.log to give me a clue.  I've looked and
attempted 'acpi_sleep=s3_bios' as a kernel option, but it didn't help.

Any ideas are welcome.
--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 01:35:06 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:35:06 +1100
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <fb4429d10512070703v247783d3g906b825f2632d225@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512070643s518e43d0v58cd25f7c2fc29ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070703v247783d3g906b825f2632d225@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208123506.7f8eb3fa.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:03:01 -0500
Zach <uid000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > actually know perfectly well how to use SSH and there's no reason I
> > shouldn't have just done it in the first place except that I didn't think of
> > it.
> >
> >  The GNOME FTP client is called gftp. It's ugly, but reliable.
> >

You can also use nautilus over ssh (i guess really sftp)
Use "connect to server",  or type ssh://  in the location bar.
Passwords can be stored in the gnome keyring - in fact IIRC you are
prompted for this.

Peter

 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 01:58:23 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:58:23 +1100
Subject: Hoary to Breezy
In-Reply-To: <20051207144734.GE9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051207111052.36832.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20051207144734.GE9152@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051208125823.6879230e.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:47:34 +0000
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:

>     deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
> 
> I've never figured out what this line really does.  Can anyone tell me?
> :-)

I think this is the line for bugfix updates - I've noticed it being used
maybe once or twice with breezy : I mean a few packages seemed to come
from this repo during upgrades.

Most upgrades appear to be security, though.

Peter
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Thu Dec  8 02:41:08 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matthew nicholson)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:41:08 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of
	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 20:18 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 20:01 -0500, matthew nicholson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 16:25 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
> > Host bridge (rev 01)
> > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
> > AGP bridge (rev 01)
> > 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev
> > 08)
> > 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE
> > (rev 01)
> > 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB
> > 0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 08)
> > 0000:00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI
> > Display Adapter
> > 0000:00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030
> > PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01)
> > 0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970
> > [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 10)
> > 0000:00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
> > (rev 02)
> 
> Ah, Fusion-MPT. Can you send me the lspci -n output. I think maybe the
> module device table is missing an entry.
> 
0000:00:00.0 0600: 8086:7190 (rev 01)
0000:00:01.0 0604: 8086:7191 (rev 01)
0000:00:07.0 0601: 8086:7110 (rev 08)
0000:00:07.1 0101: 8086:7111 (rev 01)
0000:00:07.2 0c03: 8086:7112
0000:00:07.3 0680: 8086:7113 (rev 08)
0000:00:0f.0 0300: 15ad:0405
0000:00:10.0 0100: 1000:0030 (rev 01)
0000:00:11.0 0200: 1022:2000 (rev 10)
0000:00:12.0 0401: 1274:1371 (rev 02)


-- 
matthew nicholson <sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com>
sjoeboo.com
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 02:45:29 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:45:29 +1100
Subject: Alsaconf
In-Reply-To: <d9b8deb40512071214w3d75236dtdb5c17ec37719894@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b8deb40512071214w3d75236dtdb5c17ec37719894@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208134529.6a214845.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:14:35 +0200
Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am a newcommer to the Ubuntu distro, not to GNU/Linux.
> 
> I am having trouble with setting up my sound card - a SiS SI7012 OnBoard.
> 
> I can't find alsaconf anywhere in the sources  provided by the
> installation.  I don't want to break anything  by downloading the source
> and conpiling it.
> My sound works - I can hear events but sound in games dosn't work.
> 
> Any pointers?

My understanding is that alsaconf has been removed from the distro and is
deprecated. I don't know the reasons, but a "sound guru" told me on IRC
that " alsaconf causes more problems than it solves" ...

I have the same sound card as you. I doubt that your problem is related to
the sound card itself - I have turned off system sounds, as they appear to
interfere with apps that use OSS (many games do).

For example, I get no sound with Frozen-Bubble or Pingus unless I turn off
system sounds (event sounds). The same applies to the Audacity sound
editor and a few others. I don't particularly like hearing beeps and bells
when I click things so this is no great loss for me - your mileage may
vary  :-)

Killing esd can help - but I find that isn't necessary. I just have to be
sure no other sound apps are running when I fire up one of these
recalcitrant apps ;-)

Hope this helps, etc

Peter
 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 02:53:42 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:53:42 +1100
Subject: MC and rxvt
In-Reply-To: <20051207202700.7824dcdd.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051207203219.a9e3b146.monotux@gmail.com>
	<20051207202700.7824dcdd.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20051208135342.c6a05bc2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:27:00 -0500
Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:

> 
> rxvt-unicode is not in the repositories. The rxvt thats in is the one
> giving me problems. rxvt-unicode used to be part of the package but
> someone has made some changes. Too bad. Its my favorite term.

peter at prospero:~ $ apt-cache search rxvt unicode
rxvt-unicode - RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support
rxvt-unicode-lite - RXVT-like terminal emulator with basic Unicode support
rxvt-unicode-ml - multi-lingual terminal emulator with Unicode support for
X11

peter at prospero:~ $ apt-cache policy rxvt-unicode
rxvt-unicode:
  Installed: 5.6-1
  Candidate: 5.6-1
  Version table:
 *** 5.6-1 0
        500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

I'm using it as we speak - the command is " urxvt "

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From luiscm at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:57:37 2005
From: luiscm at gmail.com (Luis Murillo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:57:37 -0600
Subject: syncing my pocket pc with evolution via multisync/opensync/synce
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512030713x67a24624u4319ce79ab948b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512030711u26bc8164m517edd4367ceab36@mail.gmail.com>
	<a937801a0512030713x67a24624u4319ce79ab948b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4395B4F1.1040601@gmx.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I've tried getting my Pocket PC, Dell Axim X30 high, to sync with my
Linux box without any success. I haven't tried installing the packages
in Ubuntu and trying here, will have to see about that :)

Now regarding your questions, well actually I can only "answer" the
first one. This is a known problem in the synce plugin since it doesn't
provide any time zone data to Evolution (taken out of the synce site), I
believe there is no workaround this problem, I might be wrong though.
As for the other two questions, for the second one I have not heard
anything about it, I might have heard something about the third question
but can't remember much at this moment.

Jeff Co wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using multisync (with its friends opensync and synce, I think) to
> sync my pocketPC to my UbuntuLinux computer with Evolution 2.4.1.
>
>
> 1. Why is the Appointment-Time wrong? For example, on my PDA, I
> entered an appointment for 1:30pm-2:30pm on December 13, Tuesday. But
> on Evolution, it shows up as 10:30pm-11:30pm on the same day. The
> strange thing is: when I double-click on the appointment in Evolution,
> in the "appointment tab" 's "date and time" section, the time is
> correct (1:30pm -- 2:30 pm), but the time zone is wrong. The time zone
> is at UTC.
> I'm currently in Japan. My PDA is set to Japan time. My Ubuntu linux
> pc is set to Japan Time, and Evolution is set to Japan Time. Why are
> all appointments saved as UTC time zone? Do I have to manually switch
> each appointment from UTC to my Japan Time Zone?
>
> 2. My contacts in PDAs have a section called "Notes". This is the
> place to enter stuff that don't fit in the fill-in-the blank forms
> (e.g. Email address, mobile phone number). I make use of the Notes
> section to enter information that :I have for that contact. But it
> doesn't sync to evolution. What can be done about this?
>
> 3. I have synced my tasks from pocket pc pda to ubuntulinux evolution.
> On Evo, I have purged the finished tasks. When I click either Sync or
> Re-Sync in Multiysync, the finished tasks are not erased from my pda.
> I can add tasks into Evo and have it synced to my PDA, and I can add
> tasks in my PDA and have it synced to my PC's Evo, but why my pocket
> pc recognize that the purged tasks are gone in the Evo2, and thus
> remove these completed tasks from itself?
>
> --------------------
>
>
>
>
> Pocket PC: (HP Jornada 540 Series, SHx SH3 Processor. MS Windows CE
> Version 3.0.9348 (Build 9357) (c) 1996-1999 Microsoft Corp).
>
> Multisync 0.82
>
> Evolution 2.4.1
>
> UBuntu Linux 5.10 Breezy Badger with Gnome
>

- --
Luis Murillo
lmurillo at gmx.net
Cel: (506) 351-5230
Heredia, Costa Rica

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From venancio at iq.usp.br  Wed Dec  7 00:08:03 2005
From: venancio at iq.usp.br (Thiago Motta Venancio)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:08:03 -0400
Subject: printer problems
Message-ID: <439627E3.6030900@iq.usp.br>

Hi all.
I am experiencing some problems with printing.
I have a printer in another machine (Debian), using CUPS server.
When i try to print something, all the applications freeze and i have to 
kill them.
When i run gnome-cups-manager as user, nothing happens and as root I got 
an error in GTK (cannot open display).
Any tips here?

Thanks in advance.

Thiago



From Sylvain.Ferriol at imag.fr  Tue Dec  6 10:03:55 2005
From: Sylvain.Ferriol at imag.fr (Sylvain.Ferriol at imag.fr)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:03:55 +0100
Subject: exim4-config: can not set exim4/dc_postmaster
Message-ID: <E1EjZfv-00026B-HZ@cidre.imag.fr>

Package: exim4-config
Version: 4.52-1
Severity: normal


hello
i want te redirect root mail but i can not set dc_postamster question
even in a low priority:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p low exim4-config

sylvain

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-10-k7-smp
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages exim4-config depends on:
ii  adduser                3.64ubuntu1       Add and remove users and groups
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]  1.4.56ubuntu2     Debian configuration management sy
ii  passwd                 1:4.0.3-37ubuntu7 change and administer password and

exim4-config recommends no packages.

-- debconf information:
  exim4/dc_noalias_regenerate: false
* exim4/dc_smarthost: smailhost.imag.fr
  exim4/dc_relay_domains:
  exim4/dc_relay_nets:
* exim4/mailname: cidre.imag.fr
* exim4/dc_local_interfaces: 127.0.0.1
* exim4/dc_minimaldns: false
  exim4/exim3_upgrade: true
* exim4/dc_other_hostnames:
* exim4/dc_eximconfig_configtype: mail sent by smarthost; no local mail
  exim4/no_config: true
  exim4/hide_mailname: true
  exim4/dc_postmaster:
* exim4/dc_readhost: mail-timc.imag.fr
* exim4/use_split_config: false
  exim4/exim4-config-title:



From capitanplaneta at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:04:32 2005
From: capitanplaneta at gmail.com (Jaime Iniesta)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:04:32 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: IBM Thinkpad R51 w/ Ubuntu Linux Installed
In-Reply-To: <dlhvte$if$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dlf18b$ot9$2@sea.gmane.org> <dlhvte$if$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <379088500512060504w63dddd18p@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Ubuntu on the R52 and everything works fine. I didn't try the
modem yet.

Jaime

2005/11/17, Sandip Bhattacharya <sandip at lug-delhi.org>:
>
> Hakim Singhji wrote:
> > So again, is anyone using an IBM Thinkpad R51 with Linux installed,
> > particularly Debian or Ubuntu installs? If so have you had any
> > problems specific to your machine?
>
> I am using Kubuntu 5.10 on my R51. No issues. The only annoying thing
> was during installation when I had to configure a wired connection so
> that I can download wpasupplicant before I could get wireless working.
>
> Oh yes, mine is a dual boot. Windows XP home installed on the other one.
> I have removed the predesktop partition. Instead of that, I use Acronis
> True Image to create a partition where I can take backups or restore
> both the windows and the linux partitions.
>
> I had a bad time with Hoary and software suspend. So I have been using
> hibernate instead, and it works fine for me.
>
> - Sandip
>
> --
> Sandip Bhattacharya  *    Puroga Technologies   *     sandip at puroga.com
> Work: http://www.puroga.com  *   Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog
>
> PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>



--

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From msplival at jagor.srce.hr  Tue Dec  6 18:49:40 2005
From: msplival at jagor.srce.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:49:40 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
Message-ID: <1133894981.18034.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?

	Mario
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From lists at videonetwork.org  Wed Dec  7 00:01:51 2005
From: lists at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards (lists))
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:01:51 +0000
Subject: Evolution spam filtering not working
Message-ID: <1133913711.7153.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Since I went to breezy my spam filter do not seem to be doing anything.
I have set enabled in /etc/defaults/spamassasin and spamd is running, I
have also rebooted.  In Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences Juk tab I
have both 'Check incoming mail for junk' and 'Include remote tasks'
checked.  Both spammasasin and razer are installed.

When I select 'Check for junk' nothing happens.  

Any Ideas?
Ben




From Robert.Stoffers at defence.gov.au  Wed Dec  7 01:02:09 2005
From: Robert.Stoffers at defence.gov.au (Stoffers, Robert LAC)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:02:09 +1000
Subject: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED RE: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
Message-ID: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C91047549@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>

> Well after the meeting was over, Ryan Troy arrived with a bad temper,
> saying that he was "sick of all the bullshit with the forums and the
> CC". After lots of discussion it was clear that he has mistaken the CC
> agenda, which anyone can edit, for an official opinion of the CC.
>
> It is clear that the CC has little knowledge of how the forums work and
> that this needs to change. This topic will be covered next meeting.

The Ubuntu forums promotes itself as an official Ubuntu project, but in reality is a law unto itself. Often I have seen administrators of these forums commit actions that I feel are not in line with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Actions such as abusing their administrative power, threatening users who simply do not agree with them in threads and more. All of this reflects poorly upon the Ubuntu project, and is the main reason I tend to stay away from the forums as much as possible. This is why people, such as your guy above, have been lashing out as much as they have. Many forum users are becoming frustrated with the way the forums are currently run and something needs to be done about it.

I propose that the forums become a proper official project. By this I mean the following things:

a. Be accessible from http://forums.ubuntu.com.
b. Move the forum to a Ubuntu-run server, using open source forum software in line with the sprit of Ubuntu Linux.
b. The low level administration (ssh access to the forum web site, set up etc) be done by the same people who run the Ubuntu web site.
c. The forum administration be done only by Ubuntu Members that have signed the Code of Conduct, appointed by the Ubuntu Community Council (at least initially until the team is established).
d. Become a proper, accountable for their actions, Ubuntu team as listed at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/.

Most of this ensures that users and administrators alike are aware that they are using an official resource of the Ubuntu project, and as such are aware that the Code of Conduct applies. This also makes it easier for the community council to understand how the forums work, and change things in the future that need to be changed. I am happy to bring this up as an agenda item at a future Community Council meeting, and I am also willing to volunteer my services in the set up and running of the above proposal.

Regards,

Robert Stoffers
Ubuntu Documentation Team
rob1 AT ubuntu.com


From Robert.Stoffers at defence.gov.au  Wed Dec  7 02:05:32 2005
From: Robert.Stoffers at defence.gov.au (Stoffers, Robert LAC)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:05:32 +1000
Subject: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED RE: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
Message-ID: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C9104754E@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>

> The forums are financially supported in part, thus making it official
> and recognized (if it wasn't we would probably not even discuss in
> depth about it in the CC meetings). What Ryan argues is that the CoC
> does not fit specifically to a forum setting as we have discussed last
> night after the meeting.

I know that the forums are technically an official project already, however the issue is that there is no official forum "team" and no real way the CC and Ubuntu can control its actions (and the actions of its administrators) apart from withdrawing this funding. The Code of Conduct can easily be applied to users/administrators of the forums as it can to users of other mediums such as the wiki and IRC. Although many of the users haven't signed it, by making them part of the rules of the forums users can be expected to abide by them or have their account suspended. 

Phrases such as "Be considerate" and "Be respectful" can easily be applied to the forum setting, as can "When you disagree, consult others." The last phrase, "When you disagree, consult others" is what's not happening, currently one cannot disagree with an administrator on the forums and have a real chance of getting the issue soughed out. By pulling the forums into the Ubuntu ship the CC and the Ubuntu community at large can better control how this resource functions.

> Actually this wasn't the reason why the forums were discussed again.
> It was about possible violations of licensing on a community project
> that started in the forums. There was a misunderstanding on what was
> listed on the wiki page. The key here is proper communication. For
> many times, the CC listed forum issues and invited parties involved
> but no one came or only one side came to give their story.

I am just going off the previous email as CC meetings are usually conducted whist I am at work. Also, this is a another major reason why the forums need to have an accountable for their actions official team, so proper communication can take place involving the administration and running of the forums.

Robert Stoffers
Ubuntu Documentation Team
rob1 AT ubuntu.com



From steven.simonet at noos.fr  Wed Dec  7 07:57:25 2005
From: steven.simonet at noos.fr (steven.simonet)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:57:25 +0100
Subject: installing skype
Message-ID: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>

I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype. 
 
I didn't find it in the list of programs that can be installed.
 
How do I do this?
 

 

Steve


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From andreev at cs.helsinki.fi  Wed Dec  7 10:43:02 2005
From: andreev at cs.helsinki.fi (Andrey S Andreev)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:43:02 +0200
Subject: What's your favourite FLOSS?
In-Reply-To: <857993970511300309s474a7f2bkd128f7327b633a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <857993970510290800k3b509405t4de9eb33de3b1e8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<857993970511300309s474a7f2bkd128f7327b633a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4396BCB6.5020902@cs.helsinki.fi>

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

>Hello,
>There has been an interesting number of responses on this thread. I
>like it because it helps me explore some other FLOSS (or not so FLO)
>out there which I might otherwise find superior to my own favourites.
>I would just like to post stats on what the respoding population likes
>(in brackets we find the number of votes):
>  
>
[snip]

>text editor:
>* gedit (6)
>* vi (5)
>* kate (4)
>* gvim (3), gxedit (3),
>* nano (2), vim (2), Emacs (2)
>* anjuta, FTE, mousepad, OpenOffice.org
>  
>
[snip

>Summary:
>18 votes: gimp
>17 votes: mozilla-firefox
>11 votes: k3b
>09 votes: gthumb, Thunderbird
>07 votes: aptitude, gnome-terminal, mplayer, audacity
>  
>

I think (g)vi(m) should have made the list with 10 votes , as, at least 
in Debian vi and vim refer to the same thing, and gvim is still mostly 
just vim.

Regards,

Andro



From ben.collins at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec  7 19:10:08 2005
From: ben.collins at ubuntu.com (Ben Collins)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:10:08 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills
	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users and 
> devel.
> 
> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of 
> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one 
> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 to 
> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), the 
> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system 
> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as 
> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get 
> dropped to a console saying:
>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!

Could you tell me the actual version of the linux-image itself
(linux-image-2.6.15-6-386 or -7-386, most likely).

Also, try adding BusLogic to initramfs module list and run
"update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386"

You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE disk
simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too.

-- 
   Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
   Developer
   Ubuntu Linux




From ben.collins at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec  7 21:25:40 2005
From: ben.collins at ubuntu.com (Ben Collins)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:25:40 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper
	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 15:30 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:20 PM, matt nicholson wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Collins wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:
> >>> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users 
> >>> and
> >>> devel.
> >>>
> >>> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of
> >>> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one
> >>> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 
> >>> to
> >>> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), 
> >>> the
> >>> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system
> >>> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as
> >>> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get
> >>> dropped to a console saying:
> >>>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
> >>
> >> Could you tell me the actual version of the linux-image itself
> >> (linux-image-2.6.15-6-386 or -7-386, most likely).
> >>
> > Working: linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
> > Failing linux-image-2.6.15-7-386

Expected. We added the BusLogic device table in -8 or -9, can't recall.

> >> Also, try adding BusLogic to initramfs module list and run
> >> "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386"
> >>
> > do this after a the new kernel is installed, before reboot?
> > Will try
> >>
> 
> Tried this. No luck. Exact same situation.

Ok, send me lspci and dmesg output please (working kernel).

> >> You may also want to try and see if switching vmware to use the IDE 
> >> disk
> >> simulation instead of the SCSI disk works too.
> >>
> > Will also try
> >
> 
> You cannot change from SCSI -> IDE without creating a new disk. so this 
> wouldn't work, unless a reinstall was done.

Are you sure? Even if you power off the virtual machine, it still wont
let you change it?

-- 
   Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
   Developer
   Ubuntu Linux




From charles.malespin at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:23:24 2005
From: charles.malespin at gmail.com (Charles Malespin)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:23:24 -0600
Subject: icon question...
Message-ID: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all, I am trying to get my gaim and all-tray icons to follow the
transparent background settings I have set on my panel(see
attached .jpg)  I have basically used the default gaim setting where it
places an icon there for you(btw why doesnt that icon change when I
change icon themes?)  is there some way to create a different path or
something so that I Can get rid of the small gray areas around gaim and
my all-tray icons?  The terminal looking icon is used to generate the
borderless terminal in the screenshot, and is using all-tray and
instructions from ubuntuforums.org.  Any ideas?  Was I too confusing?
Thanks, 
Charles
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From ben.collins at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  8 01:18:10 2005
From: ben.collins at ubuntu.com (Ben Collins)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:18:10 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of
	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 20:01 -0500, matthew nicholson wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 16:25 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
> Host bridge (rev 01)
> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX
> AGP bridge (rev 01)
> 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev
> 08)
> 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE
> (rev 01)
> 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB
> 0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 08)
> 0000:00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI
> Display Adapter
> 0000:00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030
> PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01)
> 0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970
> [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 10)
> 0000:00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
> (rev 02)

Ah, Fusion-MPT. Can you send me the lspci -n output. I think maybe the
module device table is missing an entry.

-- 
   Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
   Developer
   Ubuntu Linux




From ashwani at gisil.com  Thu Dec  8 04:12:22 2005
From: ashwani at gisil.com (Ashwani Jain)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:42:22 +0530
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
Message-ID: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi

I am using Ubuntu 5.10.  When I plug in my USB Stick (Kingston 256MB),
it gets mounted and now we can cut/copy/paste files on and off it.  But
the problem is that when I copy file form my pc to usb stick it changes
it file permission.  e.g. I copied a file from my desktop file
permission for that was 644 and after it got copied to usb stick, on usb
stick its file permission were 700, when I copied a file carrying file
permission 777 after it got copied to usb stick its file permission
changed to 744.

Why so happens, kindly help.


Thanks & regards

Ashwani Jain
Systems Administrator
GISIL, 10th Floor, Tower A
Signature Towers
South City 1
Gurgaon 121001
Haryana, INDIA
Handphone: +91-9811084143
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 04:13:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:13:14 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com> <djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <cilynx.1zpefa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


As advertised, kernels now available for download 'here'
(http://www.wolfteck.com/clockmod).


-- 
cilynx



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Thu Dec  8 04:24:10 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:24:10 -0500
Subject: MC and rxvt
In-Reply-To: <20051208135342.c6a05bc2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051207092037.1ac1b691.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051207203219.a9e3b146.monotux@gmail.com>
	<20051207202700.7824dcdd.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051208135342.c6a05bc2.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051207232410.f71906cd.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:53:42 +1100
Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:27:00 -0500
> Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > rxvt-unicode is not in the repositories. The rxvt thats in is the one
> > giving me problems. rxvt-unicode used to be part of the package but
> > someone has made some changes. Too bad. Its my favorite term.
> 
> peter at prospero:~ $ apt-cache search rxvt unicode
> rxvt-unicode - RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support
> rxvt-unicode-lite - RXVT-like terminal emulator with basic Unicode support
> rxvt-unicode-ml - multi-lingual terminal emulator with Unicode support for
> X11
> 
> peter at prospero:~ $ apt-cache policy rxvt-unicode
> rxvt-unicode:
>   Installed: 5.6-1
>   Candidate: 5.6-1
>   Version table:
>  *** 5.6-1 0
>         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> 
> I'm using it as we speak - the command is " urxvt "

Well it's a long story but it doesn't involve rxvt but midnight
commander- I **had** an entry for breezy backports in my source liist
and apt upgraded m-c behind my back to the backported version which is
the one that was giving me trouble. Needless to say mc is now pinned to
the older OFFICIAL version which runs fine almost anywhere.

Thanks for help but it was the fact the backport ran fine in xterm
which set me off on the wrong track. Yet another reason to be carefull
enabling backports, even semi-official ones.

This whole scenario started with a huge error on my part which forced
me to re-install breezy. What a pain.

Cheers




From xrdawson at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 04:27:22 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:27:22 -0800
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512072027u311bd34fta10383de0f84ac7b@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Since this is a commercial project, you probably should just download
it from the Skype website.  Skype.com.  However, I have had little
luck installing it.  I tried the debian package, but this fails to
install because I am missing some dependencies, and the further I
went, the more it reminded me of RPM dependency hell.  Neither the
dynamic nor static builds worked either (libstdc++.so.5 missing, which
for some reason I cannot install because of a conflict in libQT).

Anyone had any good experiences with recent versions of Skype?

Chris

On 12/6/05, steven.simonet <steven.simonet at noos.fr> wrote:
>
> I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.
>
> I didn't find it in the list of programs that can be installed.
>
> How do I do this?
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 04:27:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:27:03 -0500
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Most USB sticks are formatted to FAT32, because this is a good "works on
just about everything" filesystem.



Unfortunately FAT does not contain unix-like permissions (or any
permissions at all possibly), so moving things to and from your disk is
always going to stuff permissions up.



The fix is to format it as ext3, but be aware that it will then not
work on Windows.  IIRC there is an ext3 filesystem you can install on
windows somewhere out there if you are just using a single windows
box.



The other option is putting multiple partitions on your USB drive (i.e.
one FAT32 and one ext3).



L.


-- 
ltmon



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 04:23:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:23:23 -0500
Subject: installing skype
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
Message-ID: <bobfnordman.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


update your repositories using this (courtesy aysiu's signature :D )

'Up-to-date repositories'
(http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php)



then there should be a skype package


-- 
bobfnordman



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 04:29:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:29:54 -0500
Subject: installing skype
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<bobfnordman.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <hod139.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can also check out 'this post' (http://tinyurl.com/9dwj4)


-- 
hod139



From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Thu Dec  8 04:21:15 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott Henson)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:21:15 -0500
Subject: MD RAID-1 deadlocks ?
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>

Anders Karlsson wrote:

>Hi,
> - tried kernel 2.6.14 (took config from Ubuntu's 2.6.12 and went from there)
> - tried kernel compiled with gcc 4.0 and with gcc 3.4, no difference
> - tried with 2.6.14.3, kdb 4.4 and serial console and all available
>debug options (no Oops anywhere, just a straight locked up box)
> - currently using 2.6.15-rc4 with kdb4.4, most things compiled in to kernel
>  
>

I use raid 1 all the time and Ive yet to see a hard lock that can be
attributed to it.  My first stab at it is to try the ubuntu default
kernel(linux-686 or linux-k7 which ever applies to your machine).  If
that locks up too, I would also ask you were your swap space is.  You
don't seem to mention it.  Also, where are the disks attached?  I see
you have 2 IDE raid controllers, 1 ide controller, and 2 scsi controllers? 

At first blush it sounds like a memory problem.  But, Ive also seen this
kind of thing with a bad south bridge.  Maybe check the mother board to
make sure you haven't let some smoke out somewhere.  Also, if you can
reinstall, try with out the raid and see if you still see the same
crashes.  I truly suspect a hardware problem. 



From dlaude at usadig.com  Thu Dec  8 05:00:55 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:00:55 -0700
Subject: Matrox G450 Dual Head
In-Reply-To: <20051207184342.GA1205@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <200512052243.16985.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<200512061829.53199.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<20051207184342.GA1205@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <200512072200.55567.dlaude@usadig.com>

On Wednesday 07 December 2005 11:43, Tom Marshall wrote:

> I did some investigating this morning and found that there is a
> version mismatch between the breezy xorg server and the binary MGA
> driver from the Matrox site.  Some googling turned up this page:
>
>   http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78288.html
>
> The post from _cato on 10-31-2005 explains how to solve the
> problem: fetch and unpack the xserver-xorg-driver-mga package, copy
> the included mga_drv.o into your active system, and restart X.
>
> This seems to work for both 16-bit and 24-bit depths.
>
> Also note that I have VGA outputs, I don't use DVI.

I found that the other night also, or something similar.  I grabbed 
the drivers off of the matrox site and have them installed and 
working just fine.  I went through the xorg.0.log and it shows the 
mga_hal driver also loading fine, along with dri.  BUT running the
glxinfo test still shows dri is not enabled. (?)

I also read that having Option "Xinerama" "on" can have a ill effect 
on dri.  Tried it both ways, but it doesn't seem to matter. I do know
that adding the Option "AGPMode" "4" under the section Device does 
work.  This issue has been around a number of years now.  What 
happens is that it puts  the AGP card into 2x by default... you have
to force it to 4x.

As far as DVI output, mine has VGA also.  

I really think this might boil down to compiling a custom kernel.  
I'll have to grab the source and see how it's setup, specifically the 
mga options and such.

Dana



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec  8 05:03:35 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:03:35 -0500
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
In-Reply-To: <ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4397BEA7.2050107@cfl.rr.com>

You might try using udf instead of ext3.  It seems to be able to store unix file permissions, and windows understands it too.


'Forum Post wrote:
> Most USB sticks are formatted to FAT32, because this is a good "works on
> just about everything" filesystem.
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately FAT does not contain unix-like permissions (or any
> permissions at all possibly), so moving things to and from your disk is
> always going to stuff permissions up.
> 
> 
> 
> The fix is to format it as ext3, but be aware that it will then not
> work on Windows.  IIRC there is an ext3 filesystem you can install on
> windows somewhere out there if you are just using a single windows
> box.
> 
> 
> 
> The other option is putting multiple partitions on your USB drive (i.e.
> one FAT32 and one ext3).
> 
> 
> 
> L.
> 
> 




From dlaude at usadig.com  Thu Dec  8 05:11:40 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:11:40 -0700
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
Message-ID: <200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>

On Wednesday 07 December 2005 00:57, steven.simonet wrote:
> I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.
>
> I didn't find it in the list of programs that can be installed.
>
> How do I do this?

Check out this link. http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/

I still need to pickup a headset, so I haven't tried this yet. Let me
know how it works! ;)

Dana 



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec  8 05:12:05 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:12:05 -0800
Subject: MD RAID-1 deadlocks ?
In-Reply-To: <4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <1134018724.10863.44.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 20:21, Scott Henson wrote:
> At first blush it sounds like a memory problem.  But, Ive also seen this
> kind of thing with a bad south bridge.  Maybe check the mother board to
> make sure you haven't let some smoke out somewhere.  Also, if you can
> reinstall, try with out the raid and see if you still see the same
> crashes.  I truly suspect a hardware problem. 

Sound advice from Scott.

You could "mdadm --set-faulty" and "mdadm --remove" to
temporarily deactivate the mirror copy from your RAID1 which
is faster and almost as good as reinstalling.

We RAID1 everything.  Some of our systems are hammered pretty
hard.  I've seen weird problems caused by overheating or
memory or various hardware weaknesses but I've never seen a
RAID1 software lockup.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 05:03:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:03:50 -0500
Subject: Nightmare printing to Windows printers
References: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>
	<1133884683.13514.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <satyam.1zph7b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi.



Lee, which version of Ubuntu are you on? 



I've got my own problem with a Samsung ML-1430. In Warty, it worked
-fine-. In Hoary, I could never print out of OpenOffice because of some
bug between CUPS and OOo1.3. Now, I'm on Breezy, where said bug was
fixed. However, when I try to print out of OOo2.0, the first page
prints fine, -and every successive page prints sideways-. I mean, from
the 2nd page onward prints with the text aligned with the left 11" edge
of the page. But the text is still 8-1/2" wide, and the top bit of text
is cropped off. (So it didn't quite go "landscape" on me - but almost)

If I print out of, say, the pdf viewer, everything prints normally.

If anyone out there has an idea, please share it.



Thanks, and best regards,

satyam.


-- 
satyam



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 05:23:39 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:23:39 +1100
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512072027u311bd34fta10383de0f84ac7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<659b9ea30512072027u311bd34fta10383de0f84ac7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208162339.7c2aeaae.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:27:22 -0800
Chris Dawson <xrdawson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> Since this is a commercial project, you probably should just download
> it from the Skype website.  Skype.com.  However, I have had little
> luck installing it.  I tried the debian package, but this fails to
> install because I am missing some dependencies, and the further I
> went, the more it reminded me of RPM dependency hell.  Neither the
> dynamic nor static builds worked either (libstdc++.so.5 missing, which
> for some reason I cannot install because of a conflict in libQT).
> 
> Anyone had any good experiences with recent versions of Skype?
> 
> Chris

You might look at 

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype





-- 

Linux User #343161 



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  8 05:30:36 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:30:36 +1100
Subject: icon question...
In-Reply-To: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051208163036.ac3b8b2b.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:23:24 -0600
Charles Malespin <charles.malespin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all, I am trying to get my gaim and all-tray icons to follow the
> transparent background settings 

<snipped>

Charles, no big deal, but those of us still on dialup really don't need to
download a complete screenshot with a size of 938 kb .

Please put your screenshots etc on a server somewhere, and link to them.
This mail took several minutes to download here, and used up all my meagre
bandwidth while I was trying to access other stuff on the web.

Thanks.

Peter


-- 

Linux User #343161 



From alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg  Thu Dec  8 16:25:15 2005
From: alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:25:15 +1100
Subject: Execution of java and javac commands
In-Reply-To: <1133943691.3870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg>
	<d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512060657w2dc10d67u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133943691.3870.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134059115.3717.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:21 +1100, Alfred Vahau wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:57 +0000, Dick Davies wrote:
> > > On 12/5/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
> > 
> > > >  How can I get the system to recognize that java and javac are on the
> > > > environment path? I have tried rebooting (I didn't think this was necessary
> > > > but tried anyway and it didn't make a difference.) For noting the execution
> > > > of the java command is successful when I am in the directory containing the
> > > > command and issuing a command for an example like so:
> > > >
> > > >  ./java -jar SampleTree.jar
> > 
> > Add the directory you are in to the path.
> > 
> > I should point out that /usr/bin/java is supposed to be a symlink into
> > /etc/alternatives.
> > 
> > If you install a jdk 'The Debian (Ubuntu) Way[1], you'd use :
> > 
> > update-alternatives --set java /path/to/java command
> > 
> > to point the /usr/bin/java symlink where you want it to be.
> > Do the same thing for javac, rmid, etc.
> > 
> > (some of these are taken care of automatically for you if you install with
> > java-package) .
> > 
> > [1]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
> > 
> > --
> > Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
> > http://number9.hellooperator.net/
> > 
> Thanks. I'll try this pointer first and report the outcome to the list.
> But I came to a conclusion overnight (10 hours ahead of GMT) that maybe
> it was doing the installation the non-debian way that led to the
> problem. I have downloaded the rpm packages from the Java site and will
> convert them to the deb packages prior to installation. I hope that the
> system will take care of itself this way. I already had an experience
> with the installation of the OpenOffice2.0 with the help of the list so
> I am sure that will be the way to go.
> 
> Alfred,
> 
> 
It turned out that installation via the 'Debian (Ubuntu)' way was
successful. I downloaded the fakeroot and java-packages from the Debian
site together with the dependent libc6 package needed by fakeroot.
After installing these using apt-get, I converted the java bin packages
to debs using the fakeroot command and this was o.k although a few
dependents were flagged but I ignored these. The final step was to
install the deb packages and this was done using the dpkg -i command.
The executables were placed in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java for
instance. I checked the /etc/alteratives and noted that java was a
symlink to /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java.

The final step was to get the path correct as java was not on the path.
So I issued a command to include the path like so:

PATH=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin:$PATH
export PATH

When I issued the command 'which java', it returned a positive reply
which was /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java as registered in the /etc
alternatives file.

I edited the /etc/profile file and inserted the java PATH in it. To flag
the change, I issued the command '. profile' and further confirmation of
the path was indicated by the 'which java' returning a positive result.

I will keep the java path for now but I prefer to have it
in /usr/bin/java. I was unsuccessful at executing the
update-alternatives command to have the /usr/bin/java symlink point to
j2re1.5-sun/bin/java as in /etc/alternatives.

I'm still curious why my first attempts, 'non-Ubuntu' installations
failed to give the JRE. In particular why the use of the alien and the
dpkg combination failed but I'll check those again to see where I went
wrong. For now I can issue the Java command anywhere which was the
objective.

As a result, one of the outstanding problem relating to OpenOffice2.0
installation associated with the javaldx error message has been
eliminated. Now I can move on to testing a Java-based online student
system on Ubuntu and I hope my Breezy CDs will arrive soon enough so I
can get this project off the ground. At present all my testing is done
on the Ubuntu Warty.

All the replies were very much appreciated and very helpful in solving
my problem.

Thanks once again.

Alfred Vahau





From heliotopik at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec  8 05:58:20 2005
From: heliotopik at wanadoo.fr (D.Personne)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:58:20 +0400
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
Message-ID: <1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 22:11 -0700, Dana J. Laude a écrit :
> On Wednesday 07 December 2005 00:57, steven.simonet wrote:
> > I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.

There are open source alternatives for skype.Do some google-ing...





From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Thu Dec  8 06:43:54 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:43:54 +0100
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
In-Reply-To: <ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134024234.6578.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 23:27 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> The fix is to format it as ext3,  

ext3 and other journalling file systems are kinda problematic on USB
sticks, at least smaller ones, as the journal eats quite some space. And
journalling is not really needed on a stick




From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 07:05:08 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:05:08 +0000
Subject: MD RAID-1 deadlocks ?
In-Reply-To: <4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512072305p4641be2hd169ae8e129ae024@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Scott Henson <scotth at csee.wvu.edu> wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> > - tried kernel 2.6.14 (took config from Ubuntu's 2.6.12 and went from there)
> > - tried kernel compiled with gcc 4.0 and with gcc 3.4, no difference
> > - tried with 2.6.14.3, kdb 4.4 and serial console and all available
> >debug options (no Oops anywhere, just a straight locked up box)
> > - currently using 2.6.15-rc4 with kdb4.4, most things compiled in to kernel
> >
> >
>
> I use raid 1 all the time and Ive yet to see a hard lock that can be
> attributed to it.  My first stab at it is to try the ubuntu default
> kernel(linux-686 or linux-k7 which ever applies to your machine).  If
> that locks up too, I would also ask you were your swap space is.  You
> don't seem to mention it.  Also, where are the disks attached?  I see
> you have 2 IDE raid controllers, 1 ide controller, and 2 scsi controllers?

I have tried the Ubuntu default kernel and had the same problems with that.
The swap space in an LV in the VG on md1, so perhaps not in the best
spot, however, I ran bonnie++ with swap both disabled and enabled last
night, and no lockups. I compiled a kernel several times both with and
without swap active. Kernel compile has been a surefire way to trigger
this problem before. Last night however, no problems at all.

The two IDE RAID controllers are the on-board SATA controller (unused)
and a Silicon Image PCI card (fakeraid, card used as plain two channel
IDE controller) where the two disks are attached. The onboard PATA
controller in where I have the DVD±RW drive attached.

The SCSI controller is a PCI card, two separate channels on that as
well (hence why it looks like there are two) but nothing attached to
that at the moment.

> At first blush it sounds like a memory problem.  But, Ive also seen this
> kind of thing with a bad south bridge.  Maybe check the mother board to
> make sure you haven't let some smoke out somewhere.  Also, if you can
> reinstall, try with out the raid and see if you still see the same
> crashes.  I truly suspect a hardware problem.

I thought the same, but memcheck has thrown up no problems with it. I
suppose it could be intermittant.
A bad south bridge is a possible option, but with the bonnie++ runs
last night, I was hoping to trigger the crash to pinpoint it. No joy
as I have 24h30min uptime at the moment (not had that long uptime for
over a month).

Smartmond does not find a problem with the two raided disks, apart
from seek time performance fluctuating, so I guess the disks are
alright.

I will try it without the raid, but even with the raid it has been
stable for longer than usual, so I wonder if me rummaging around in
the box reseating the CPU, applying new heatpaste etc in some way
caused a delayed fix. After all that, it was still crashing, but has
stabilised with a bit of time.

I am thoroughly confused by all this, as what would trigger the lockup
within sometimes as little as seconds now can be run several times,
taking half an hour, does not trigger it. No smoke has been let out
what I can tell, nothing has left scorch marks or gaping holes in the
motherboard yet. ;-) I will keep an eye on things, as I do not believe
there are bugs/problems that go away by themselves.

Many thanks for your suggestions, I will try them as soon as I can. :)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Thu Dec  8 07:28:20 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:28:20 +1300
Subject: Priinting problem - HP Deskjet on AMD 64-bit system
Message-ID: <1134026900.8369.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have a PC with an AMD Athlon CPU, and an HP Deskjet 670C printer
(attached via the parallel port to the PC).

If I install breezy i386 version, I have no problems with the printer.

However, if I install the amd64 version of breezy, I get some text
printed, then the printer starts feeding paper.  This continues until I
cancel the print job, AND reboot both the PC and the printer (clear
buffers on both sides).  For 64-but mode, the generic kernel (rather
than the -k8 version) has been installed:

tim at marvin:~$ uname -a
Linux marvin 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic #1 Fri Nov 18 11:51:07 UTC 2005
x86_64 GNU/Linux

If the printer is attached to another PC (P2-based), I can't print
across the network, because CUPS is configured to only listen on the
loopback address, 127.0.0.1.

When I moved the printer back to the Athlon-based PC, I did the
following:
1: Remove the network printer definition
2: Connect the printer to the parallel port on the Athlon PC
3: Reboot
4: Define the local printer
5: Send the Ubuntu test page to the printer

The text that was printed appears to have been a part of the references
line from a usenet article that I had looked at during the day (prior to
the reboot).  In other recent tests, the data that was printed appears
to have been part of a mail message (different messages for each test).
If the text being printed was on multiple lines, a line feed would
occur, but no carriage return was being sent to the printer.  Doing a
search as root, I only find the usenet text in the cache file that the
pan newsreader uses for that particular newsgroup. 

It isn't clear where the bug is (CUPS, HPLIP or kernel - or a
combination of all 3), but it is clear that it is specific to the 64-bit
AMD version of breezy.  

I do NOT want to trial dapper on this system, because it is my main
machine, and I want a stable working system.

Suggestions welcome on:
* how to get the P2-based system to accept printing from the network
* fixes to the AMD-64 behaviour

I am very tempted to go back to the i386 mode, because this is just the
worst of a number of issues in 64-bit mode (I have problems with
firefox, which seems to crash when the Blackdown java plugin is
activated)




From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec  8 07:32:32 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:32:32 +0200
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 93
Message-ID: <s397fd8c.065@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE

which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

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>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 07 December 2005 >>>
If I have to give my grand-daughter my root password to connect to the internet, she would immediately have the power to completely destroy my operating system. (By mistake surely, but mistakes are easy to make!)

So yes - in my particular case - anyone who can access my machine should be able to access the internet. But they should not be able to make any changes to the configuration.

Bill

From: David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>
Subject: Re: Connecting to the Internet
> - To initiate a dial up to the network requires the root passwork (I would regard that as a huge security flaw)

By default Ubuntu will ask for your user password, not root.  If you
have correct permissions you will be able to connect.

I can't see how you see that as a 'huge security flaw'.  Do you want
_anyone_ to be able to connect your box to the 'big bad internet' by
default?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>

********************************************




From agger at bolignet-aarhus.dk  Thu Dec  8 08:00:34 2005
From: agger at bolignet-aarhus.dk (Carsten Agger)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:00:34 +0100
Subject: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED RE: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
In-Reply-To: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C9104754E@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
References: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C9104754E@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
Message-ID: <dn8p72$ngp$1@sea.gmane.org>

Stoffers, Robert LAC wrote:
>>The forums are financially supported in part, thus making it official
>>and recognized (if it wasn't we would probably not even discuss in
>>depth about it in the CC meetings). What Ryan argues is that the CoC
>>does not fit specifically to a forum setting as we have discussed last
>>night after the meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> Phrases such as "Be considerate" and "Be respectful" can easily be applied to the forum 
>setting, as can "When you disagree, consult others." The last phrase, "When you disagree, 
>consult others" is what's not happening, currently one cannot disagree with an administrator 
>on the forums and have a real chance of getting the issue soughed out. By pulling the forums 
>into the Ubuntu ship the CC and the Ubuntu community at large can better control how this resource functions.
> 

There are serious issues with the forums as they work right now.

Here's an executive summary of the current trouble: A forum moderator
and avid contributer created a script to automate the installation of
codecs, proprietary drivers etc. to make installation easier for a new
user.

This user, however, did not want his work to be ripped off or forked, so
he released it under a non-GPL compatible license, banning
redistribution without the author's explicit content.

The script, however, allegedly used code from another script called
EasyUbuntu which was released under the GPL. This made the terms of the
new script illegal as they violate the GPL. Not a big matter and one
that should be easily corrected, but ...

when the author off the original script politely pointed this out, the
thread in which he did so was deleted. Other forum members objected to
this, and the moderator/author of the new script reacted in a very
hostile way to any discussion of his licensing terms, closing threads
and deleting messages in the process. Some (not all!) of the other forum
moderators have also reacted aggressively to peaceful discussion of the
licensing issues as well as to forum policies, reacting with gems like
"shut the f*** up" and "we moderate as we see fit".

This is not good, and that kind of attitude makes the forums a bad face
for Ubuntu.

I should say, as a bare minimum, all forum moderators should sign the
Ubuntu code of conduct and abide with it at all times.

Also, all developing contributors should know enough about licensing to
know that

1) It's important in a free software community that free software
licenses like GPL and BSD-style licenses are respected

2) If some developer apparently violates a free software license, s/he
should enter the discussion and explain why this is not so or correct
the situation as a matter of course, not grudginly.

I see the forums as an important part of the Ubuntu Web presence, but
something obviously has to be done ...

regards

Carsten Agger
Denmark




From yann.simon.fr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 07:06:36 2005
From: yann.simon.fr at gmail.com (Yann Simon)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:06:36 +0100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
In-Reply-To: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <1134025596.9672.3.camel@localhost>

Do you have synaptic touchpad ?

If yes, try this :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=387440#post387440



Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 19:55 +0100, Philip Axer a écrit :
> Hi,
> I have a Asus A8N Mainboard Dual Core X2 3800+ with the following kernel:
> Linux philip 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Nov 18 12:20:27 UTC 2005 
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> Two problems have occured:
> 
> The minor prob is that after some hours the system clock lives in the 
> near future! (up to some hours)
> Sync with a ntp helps for short time.
> 
> The major problem is that my keyboard repeats the pressed charactes 
> suddenly! This isn't X fault, the error occurs on the other virtual 
> consols either! This is very ugly and occurs only when the system runs 
> some hours.
> 
> "This is an exampppppple text with repeattttttttttted characters. You 
> can see that this behaviour makes it neaaaaaaaaaaarly impossible to use 
> the computer!"
> 
> I think the time and keyboard problem are related in a strange way.
> Hoppppppppppefully somebody can help!
> 
> Philip
> 
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From serhan at serotizm.com  Thu Dec  8 08:13:21 2005
From: serhan at serotizm.com (Serhan D. KIYMAZ)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:13:21 +0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: IBM Thinkpad R51 w/ Ubuntu Linux Installed
In-Reply-To: <379088500512060504w63dddd18p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dlf18b$ot9$2@sea.gmane.org> <dlhvte$if$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<379088500512060504w63dddd18p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4397EB21.6010207@serotizm.com>

Hi,
I'm also using R51. Everything works perfectly with Breezy.
Serhan

Jaime Iniesta wrote:
> I'm using Ubuntu on the R52 and everything works fine. I didn't try 
> the modem yet.
>
> Jaime
>
> 2005/11/17, Sandip Bhattacharya <sandip at lug-delhi.org 
> <mailto:sandip at lug-delhi.org>>:
>
>     Hakim Singhji wrote:
>     > So again, is anyone using an IBM Thinkpad R51 with Linux installed,
>     > particularly Debian or Ubuntu installs? If so have you had any
>     > problems specific to your machine?
>
>     I am using Kubuntu 5.10 on my R51. No issues. The only annoying thing
>     was during installation when I had to configure a wired connection so
>     that I can download wpasupplicant before I could get wireless working.
>
>     Oh yes, mine is a dual boot. Windows XP home installed on the
>     other one.
>     I have removed the predesktop partition. Instead of that, I use
>     Acronis
>     True Image to create a partition where I can take backups or restore
>     both the windows and the linux partitions.
>
>     I had a bad time with Hoary and software suspend. So I have been
>     using
>     hibernate instead, and it works fine for me.
>
>     - Sandip
>
>     --
>     Sandip Bhattacharya  *    Puroga Technologies   *    
>     sandip at puroga.com <mailto:sandip at puroga.com>
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>
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>     http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
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From sepheebear at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 08:41:47 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:41:47 -0500
Subject: Image question.
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512070353l14dc5510hb1f7395a25efed4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512070353l14dc5510hb1f7395a25efed4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208084147.GA7082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Luca Manganelli" on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 06:53:04AM EST>

> Hi, I would like to substitute in Nautilus the default (and poor)
> image viewer with gThumb (the poor image viewer doesn't allow to
> rotate and save, like Image Viewer in Windows XP). How can I do it?

Edit ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list and add:

[Default Applications]
image/png=gthumb.desktop
image/jpeg=gthumb.desktop

Seth



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Thu Dec  8 08:47:38 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:47:38 +0100
Subject: last try: embedded vi in kde
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512070944k58f110b1m5e465b210f7b010a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
	<cb39d0990512070944k58f110b1m5e465b210f7b010a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4397F32A.8080107@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

hometoast wrote:

> Well, posting three times doesn't necessarily get you 3x more answers 
> - the same folks read all three messages.  ANYWAY - it appears vim as 
> a kpart is a little buggy, so some people suggest to use KVim, a port 
> of vim. It's unmaintained by works well. 
>
> Please, while waiting for an answer (3 messages, same question, 2 
> days) try (I mean really try) searching in google.   
> http://www.google.com/search?q=kdevelop+kpart+vim
> gave lots of useful results. 
>
>
>
> On 12/7/05, *Yoram Hekma* < yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Sorry, don't want to spam, I just clicked wrong:)
>
>     The problem is this:
>     I am using KDEVELOP, and I would like to use the vi-functionality that
>     the kpart module is supposed to give me.
>     Now I configured the KDE Components in the system settings to use vim,
>     and when I click "test" everything seems ok. However, I cannot select
>     the embedded vim editor in KDEVELOP or in any other KDE app for that
>     matter.
>
>     What am I doing wrong?
>
>     --
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
Yes well, like I said, I didnt mean to spam. One question was kinda 
messed up, and the other one I posted in the wrong thread, so thats why.
If I search google, I mainly see people complaining it doesnt workt with 
the standard gvim and that you have to use kvim, which is unmaintained. 
Since I was wondering why it didn't work with gvim, I thought lets ask 
here instead.

My apologies for the inconvience, I will  not raise this subject again:)



From magnus at therning.org  Thu Dec  8 09:24:41 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:24:41 +0000
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
In-Reply-To: <1134024234.6578.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134024234.6578.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051208092441.GB5386@die.therning.org>

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 07:43:54AM +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote:
>On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 23:27 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
>> 
>> The fix is to format it as ext3,  
>
>ext3 and other journalling file systems are kinda problematic on USB
>sticks, at least smaller ones, as the journal eats quite some space. And
>journalling is not really needed on a stick

Then one can choose ext2.

/M

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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec  8 09:47:07 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:47:07 +0200
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 94
Message-ID: <s3981d20.029@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 07 December 2005 >>>
********************************************

Bill Cairns wrote:
> 
> My problem is that, although I can now configure the modem through pppconfig and can connect by means of pon, Firefox does not recognise that I am connected. I can see that I am connected by looking at the modem (and I heard it connect!) but Firefox just tells me that the url is not available ("www.ubuntu.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again" - the same message I get when I am not connected. If I connect the other way, I have no problem).
> 
> Is this something to do with this not being a default route? Should I add "defaultroute" to the script file?
> 
> Bill

It could also be that you do not have the right DNS entries. If you 
happen to know the actual IP address of any website, you can type that 
in Firefox, and if it *does* connect, then you just have a problem with 
DNS lookup.

HTH.

-Steve.
-- 

No - it is a false (or extremely misleading!) error message. I have no trouble connecting to any URL once I have connected through the "standard" way of System > Administration > Networking. 




From bmarcum at iglou.com  Thu Dec  8 09:41:51 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:41:51 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck  on boot?
References: <1133995558.4844.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <vnbl63-r5q.ln1@don.localnet>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0800, Peter Stoddard 
  <peter at stoddard.us> wrote:
> root at daphne:/etc# find / -name smb.conf
> /etc/samba/smb.conf
> /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
> /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/1/etc/samba/smb.conf
> /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/2/etc/samba/smb.conf
> /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/shares/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
> /usr/share/samba/smb.conf
> find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in
> your filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option.
> Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have
> been searched.
> root at daphne:/etc#
>
> I wanted to do an fsck to see if it would clear up that error message.
> It didn't.
>
The contents of /proc are not on your hard drive, it's a virtual file 
system, so fsck has no effect and is not needed.  You can ignore the 
warnings or use find commands that exclude /proc.

-- 
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From bike_oz at yahoo.com.au  Thu Dec  8 11:25:25 2005
From: bike_oz at yahoo.com.au (Russell Cook)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:25:25 +1100
Subject: GNOME panel configurations
In-Reply-To: <1133958147.4948.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <22fe482e0512061518n1e345a71na864c913f6f4ea89@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133958147.4948.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134041126.9448.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I feel sorry for you Brian, I've just moved to Dapper and am running @
1920 x 1440, with fairly large DPI. It looks great :-)

Unfortunately, in Windows @ work I'm limited to 1280x1024 which is a
pain. The sidepanel is an interesting concept, at the moment I prefer
the traditional top and bottom panels.

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 07:22 -0500, Brian Puccio wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 23:18 +0000, Sean Hammond wrote:
> > The default panel setup Ubuntu uses is okay, but how do different
> > people on this list configure their panels? Do people use panels other
> > than the GNOME panel? Links to screenshots?
> 
> I came from a desktop with a huge 1600x1200 display, so my current
> 1400x1050 feels cramped. Accordingly, I've crammed everything into one
> small transparent panel on the side.
> 
> http://brianpuccio.net/desktop_2005_11_23

Kind Regards Russell
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From bike_oz at yahoo.com.au  Thu Dec  8 11:28:15 2005
From: bike_oz at yahoo.com.au (Russell Cook)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:28:15 +1100
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
	VM
In-Reply-To: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
Message-ID: <1134041295.9448.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Vmware runs for me, but the networking is broken so I can't update the
guest OS any more. Will try when I next upgrade the host OS.


On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 12:50 -0500, matt nicholson wrote:

> Not sure which mailing list to post this to so going to both users and 
> devel.
> 
> I have dapper running in a VM on VMware 5.5, breezy as a host. All of 
> the recent Dapper upgrades have gone quite nice thus far, with one 
> exception. When performing the upgrade of linux-image-386(2.6.12.16 to 
> 2.6.15.4) and linux-restricted-modules-386(2.6.12.16 to 2.6.15.4), the 
> VM dies. By this i mean that, upon reboot, Grub comes up, the system 
> starts to boot (the new "handdrawn" usplash comes up), and it gets as 
> far a "Mounting the root file system" After a few seconds here, I get 
> dropped to a console saying:
>   Alert! /dev/sda1/ does not exist. Dropping you to a shell!
> 
> however, i do not get dropped to a shell and the VM just sits there, 
> dead.
> 
> Luckily I make snap shots for just this purpose and can get back to 
> right before the upgrade in seconds. I have confirmed that its only 
> these 2 packages that cause this.
> 
> Not being a kernel "expert", or even a "the way ubuntu boots" expert, I 
> am sort of stuck. Its obvious to me either the VM SCSI device is not 
> being detected, or, if it is, its not being used at all. With not shell 
> do goto i cannot diagnose the problem further.
> 
> Since dapper is a developemt work, and I'm running this in a VM, this 
> is no big deal for me. I can just ignore that update for a while. I was 
> jsut wondering if anyone else had the same problem/a fix/an answer.
> 
> Thanks and keep up the great work.
> 
> Matt Nicholson
> sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com
> sjoeboo.com
> 


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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec  8 11:38:04 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:38:04 +0200
Subject: Apology
Message-ID: <s398371d.023@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:47:07 +0200
From: "Bill Cairns" <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za>
Subject: Re: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 94


OOps - my apology for not changing the subject line. My mouse clicked too fast!


Bill


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From uid000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 11:39:49 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:39:49 -0500
Subject: How to force fsck on boot?
In-Reply-To: <vnbl63-r5q.ln1@don.localnet>
References: <1133995558.4844.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<vnbl63-r5q.ln1@don.localnet>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512080339m6704649are56481a46a365948@mail.gmail.com>

There are times when find stops prematurely because of hard link
problems in /proc & /dev.  I've found that in these cases you have to
"prune" those directories.  I found the man page for "find" to not be
very helpful.  It took some experimentation to figure out how to use
the prune option.

find / -path '/proc' -prune -o -path '/dev' -prune -o -name foo
This command will search for anything named "foo" but won't descend
into /proc or /dev.
The "-o" is an "or".  So the parts that are separated by "-o"
basically mean "do this or do that or do this other thing."  The first
and second parts specifiy "-path" which means to match on path.  They
then specifiy '/proc' and '/dev' respectively as the things to match,
so if find comes across something where the path is /dev or /proc, it
will take the specified action.  And the "-prune" is the action you
want it to take if it finds a match.  In this case if it finds a
match, it should "prune" it from the search tree rather than descend
into it.  In the third part of the the command "-name" means match if
the name is "foo."  When no action is specified, the implied action is
to print to the screen (standard out).

Hope this helps!

Zach

On 12/8/05, Bill Marcum <bmarcum at iglou.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0800, Peter Stoddard
>   <peter at stoddard.us> wrote:
> > root at daphne:/etc# find / -name smb.conf
> > /etc/samba/smb.conf
> > /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
> > /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/1/etc/samba/smb.conf
> > /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/network/2/etc/samba/smb.conf
> > /var/cache/setup-tool-backends/backup/shares/First/etc/samba/smb.conf
> > /usr/share/samba/smb.conf
> > find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in
> > your filesystem driver.  Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option.
> > Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have
> > been searched.
> > root at daphne:/etc#
> >
> > I wanted to do an fsck to see if it would clear up that error message.
> > It didn't.
> >
> The contents of /proc are not on your hard drive, it's a virtual file
> system, so fsck has no effect and is not needed.  You can ignore the
> warnings or use find commands that exclude /proc.
>
> --
> You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex.
>
>
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From mailinglists at necroshine.de  Thu Dec  8 11:53:49 2005
From: mailinglists at necroshine.de (Frederic Gaus)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:53:49 +0100
Subject: Printing on a Printer connected to Windows-Host
Message-ID: <43981ECD.2010407@necroshine.de>

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Hi!

I'm trying to print a document on a printer connected to a windows-host.
I used the System->Administration->Printer->New Printer Dialog and
doublechecked my values. I'm really sure they are correect.

But when I try to send a Testpage, the Status-Infomation in the
"Properties"-Dialog of the Printer shows:
	
	Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will
	retry in 60 seconds... foomatic-rip version
	$Revision: 3.43.2.11 $ running ...

I can access the Shares of this Windows-PC.

What can I do? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

Frederic

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From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:01:53 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:01:53 -0800
Subject: Connecting to the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4396C7D0.9090009@internode.on.net>
References: <s396db39.084@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<61af2c540512070309jfb33e8eq58df3c2c3c70c961@mail.gmail.com>
	<4396C7D0.9090009@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512080401k4dae34f3ib62f6d0abeacee12@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Winton,

On 12/7/05, squareyes <squareyes at internode.on.net> wrote:
> you only need to do  sudo pppconfig, to configure the setup,
> don't need sudo to actually connect. To disconnect just  poff

Thanks a lot.

--
Best regards,

Asif



From qanton at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:12:12 2005
From: qanton at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?6cfP0tggxMXSwsXOxdc=?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:12:12 +0300
Subject: pci-e ati x700pro on ubuntu 5.10
Message-ID: <c7b3f7e60512080412w34405312h@mail.gmail.com>

Hello:
I have install ubuntu 5.10 and have problem with video driver, I have
read Wiki section BinaryDriverHowto/Ati but it not helped me. There is
any way to install driver?
Log of Xorg:
(II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
Duplicate symbol rol_long in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a

Fatal server error:
Module load failure
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From hometoast at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:25:17 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:25:17 -0500
Subject: last try: embedded vi in kde
In-Reply-To: <4397F32A.8080107@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
References: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
	<cb39d0990512070944k58f110b1m5e465b210f7b010a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4397F32A.8080107@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512080425g7c30408u37bbf27963da6aaf@mail.gmail.com>

I certainly didn't mean to come off inconvenienced, I was mostly just
suggesting allowing time for a response.  I hope I haven't deterred you from
posting in the future.

On 12/8/05, Yoram Hekma <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> My apologies for the inconvience, I will  not raise this subject again:)
>
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From js at wdsl.co.za  Thu Dec  8 12:26:08 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:26:08 +0200
Subject: How to install cinelerra
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512071403i4916dd02rff9b9708985b7dbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051207215254.GA12076@adept.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512071403i4916dd02rff9b9708985b7dbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208122608.GB2858@adept.co.za>

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 06:03:45AM +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> This thread has some good support in it for cinelerra:
> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47617&page=4&highlight=cinelerra
> and this post in particular makes it look easy:
> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=529745&postcount=37

Thanks for the links.  It helped a bit, but it is not that easy
for me.  The thread refers to 'easyubuntu' for installing the
necessary additional codecs files.  The website for easyubuntu
is not available at the moment.  I get an error message in
French.

The next step would be to try automatix to install the
additional stuff.  It did install quite a lot of libraries.  I
did convert the rpm of cinelerra to deb and have installed it.
However, I still had to make a lot of symlinks to libraries
cinelerra needed and with the next one I am stuck:

"cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries:
libiec61883.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory"  

I have experimented for nearly 12 hours now to get cinelerra
running in Breezy ...

I was not able to find out which package to install that would
provide libiec61883.so.0.

Regards
Johann
-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "For I am the LORD your God; ye shall therefore  
      sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am 
      holy."          Leviticus 11:44 



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Thu Dec  8 12:30:18 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:30:18 +0100
Subject: last try: embedded vi in kde
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512080425g7c30408u37bbf27963da6aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43970960.3060003@unikaas.xs4all.nl>	<cb39d0990512070944k58f110b1m5e465b210f7b010a@mail.gmail.com>	<4397F32A.8080107@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
	<cb39d0990512080425g7c30408u37bbf27963da6aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4398275A.5020008@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

hometoast wrote:

> I certainly didn't mean to come off inconvenienced, I was mostly just 
> suggesting allowing time for a response.  I hope I haven't deterred 
> you from posting in the future. 
>
> On 12/8/05, *Yoram Hekma* <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     My apologies for the inconvience, I will  not raise this subject
>     again:)
>
>     --
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>     <http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users>
>
point noted:)



From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec  8 13:15:15 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:15:15 -0600
Subject: Fixing a app
In-Reply-To: <43971B56.6010107@ntlworld.com>
References: <439218DC.4050002@wadesmart.com>	<43921DB4.8020109@earthlink.net>	<43923061.1050500@wadesmart.com>	<439711A0.6020900@wadesmart.com>
	<43971B56.6010107@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <439831E3.5040209@wadesmart.com>

12082005 0714 GMT-5

There is a lot of stuff in that file. If I erase it all and then try to 
run the program, it will dump errors in there. Can I do that.

Wade


Toby Kelsey wrote:

>Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>12062005 2008 GMT-5
>>
>>I had a problem with my games not working. I noticed that when I clicked
>>the button to any game the clock icon just spun and it wouldnt activate.
>>Tonight I sudo'd into the games folder and when I click on any game it
>>activates. How can I solve this?
>>    
>>
>
>Often when a graphical application has an error it appends an error
>messages to the file .xsession-errors in your home directory.  Open that
>and see if it contains any clues.
>
>Toby
>
>
>  
>



From m.boon at student.manchester.ac.uk  Thu Dec  8 13:28:43 2005
From: m.boon at student.manchester.ac.uk (Mathew Boon)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:28:43 +0000
Subject: gpsd with sirf-iii globalsat br-355 and ubuntu linux (breezy)
Message-ID: <4398350B.2090100@student.manchester.ac.uk>

Dear List,

I am trying to get my new br-355 working with Breezy.I have the br-355 
serial version that terminates with a ps2 connector. I bought some 
seperate cables, one that finishes in rj-11 to connect to my ipaq dock, 
and one that finishes with USB and has a prolific pl-2303 in a little 
box inline in the cable. It appears to detect ok when plugged in, dmesg 
shows this:

[4301846.762000] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and 
address 6[4301846.861000] pl2303 2-1:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
[4301846.865000] usb 2-1: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0

To get it working I then do..

killall gpsd

(to kill the one that started with the hotlplug, haven't looked into how 
to turn this off)

then I do..

chmod a+rw /dev/ttyUSB0

then I run gpsd

gpsd -N -n -D 2 /dev/ttyUSB0

When I run xgps, I get fast switching between 2D and 3D lock. In windows 
or on my ipaq I get a consisten 3D lock reported.

I get the debug output...

which is long list of these:

9571: arguments to dbus_message_iter_append_basic() were incorrect, 
assertion "real->iter_type == DBUS_MESSAGE_ITER_TYPE_WRITER" failed in 
file dbus-message.c line 2125.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library.

with the odd correct gps sentence every 20 or so of the above..

the sentences look like this which I presume is not erroneous..

gpsd: <= GPS: 
$GPRMC,122011.000,A,5328.5647,N,00214.1589,W,4.25,335.17,081205,,*10

I am using gpsd that is in the ubuntu repositories and was installed 
with apt. The version is 2.28.

Can you help me?

Thanks in advance,

Mathew.



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 13:32:28 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:32:28 -0300
Subject: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED RE: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
In-Reply-To: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C91047549@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
References: <BDDF5A84B607954D90483F8776BB6C91047549@tvlrxm02.drn.mil.au>
Message-ID: <720dc91f0512080532m51f37d01g1eb4a2cca72493a@mail.gmail.com>

<SNIP>

I totally agree with Robert, and I'd also suggest to do same thing,
based on similar experiences where no ubuntu member (or at least
person who had signed CoC) had registered IRC channels, so people
joining those channels think these are 'official' channels and have or
see bad language use or alike.


--
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.

"Hell is repeating someone else's mistakes"
 (JPS)

[Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales o acentos para evitar
conflictos de lectura entre sistemas]

[En smilar contexto, evitemos enviar archivos .doc, .ppt o .xls.
Intentemos enviar solo formatos libres y mas livianos, como lo son
.txt, .html, .pdf, .odt, etc.]



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 13:25:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:25:06 -0500
Subject: How to install cinelerra
References: <20051207215254.GA12076@adept.co.za><d12e5c90512071403i4916dd02rff9b9708985b7dbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051208122608.GB2858@adept.co.za>
Message-ID: <binks.1zq4cm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


use easybreezy to install the codecs



(automatrix ng )http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99866


-- 
binks



From Johannes.Behr at igd.fhg.de  Thu Dec  8 13:57:48 2005
From: Johannes.Behr at igd.fhg.de (Johannes Behr)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:57:48 +0100
Subject: Evolution spam filtering not working
In-Reply-To: <1133913711.7153.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133913711.7153.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134050268.10473.2.camel@PC1428.igd.fhg.de>

Hi,

I have the same problem. Did you solve it. Is there a good
Howto-spamfilter-with-evolution page?

best regards,
  johannes

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 00:01 +0000, Ben Edwards (lists) wrote:
> Since I went to breezy my spam filter do not seem to be doing anything.
> I have set enabled in /etc/defaults/spamassasin and spamd is running, I
> have also rebooted.  In Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences Juk tab I
> have both 'Check incoming mail for junk' and 'Include remote tasks'
> checked.  Both spammasasin and razer are installed.
> 
> When I select 'Check for junk' nothing happens.  
> 
> Any Ideas?
> Ben
> 
> 
-- 
Johannes Behr              | email: johannes.behr at igd.fhg.de
Fraunhofer-IGD             | tel.:  ++49-6151-155-510
Fraunhofer Strasse 5       | fax.:  ++49-6151-155-196
64283 Darmstadt, Germany   | skype: johannesbehr




From markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 14:10:08 2005
From: markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com (Markus Mitterhofer)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:10:08 +0100
Subject: Faxmodem software
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf050907115934cea17c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf050907115934cea17c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7124aab10512080610m5a5186a5h@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I have a USR hardware faxmodem... can someone tell what software I can
> install to send/receive faxes in Ubuntu?


efax        (fax software)
efax-gtk   (GUI)

You can find both in the Universe repository.
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From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 14:27:55 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:27:55 -0500
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
Message-ID: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>

I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5 will be added to the Hoary 
repos. It is available now for Linux at mozilla.org (no longer the 
Release Candidate), however it was not available in the repos last time 
I checked.

Not a big deal, just wondering how long it takes for the Ubuntu build to 
appear.

Thanks.

-Steve.



From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Thu Dec  8 14:35:47 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matthew nicholson)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:35:47 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine
	of	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134052547.8106.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:02 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > 0000:00:10.0 0100: 1000:0030 (rev 01)
> 
> This matches the mptspi module. It has an entry for your device, so it
> should be loading.
> 
> Can you add mptspi to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and run this command:
> 
> update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386
> 
> Reboot and see if that works.
> 
well, after doing that, it got "further" into the boot i guess you might
say. still exits usplash at the same time (mounting root) but now theres
more console output. here it is:

+echo
+/sbin/udev --daemon
+ . /conf/initramfs.conf
+BUSYBOX=y
+BOOT=local
+MODULES=most
+DEVICE=eth0
+NFSROOT=auto
RESUME=/dev/sda5
+root_type=scsi
+/sbin/udevplug -Bide -Bscsi -Bi20 -Busb -Bieee1394 -Mem -Cmisc -Ctty
-Cvc -b
+/sbin/udevplug -Bpci -Iclass-0x01*
+[ -e /dev/sda1]
+log_begin_msg Waiting for root file system
/scripts/init-premount/udev: 122: log_begin_msg: not found
ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist Dropping to a shell!

And with that i'm left at a busybox shell


Thanks.
Matt Nicholson


-- 
matthew nicholson <sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com>
sjoeboo.com
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From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 14:53:01 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:53:01 +0100
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>

Where's smbmount in breezy?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From scott at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  8 15:01:59 2005
From: scott at ubuntu.com (Scott James Remnant)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:01:59 +0000
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine
	of	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134052547.8106.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134052547.8106.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134054119.6364.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:35 -0500, matthew nicholson wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:02 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > 0000:00:10.0 0100: 1000:0030 (rev 01)
> > 
> > This matches the mptspi module. It has an entry for your device, so it
> > should be loading.
> > 
> > Can you add mptspi to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and run this command:
> > 
> > update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386
> > 
> > Reboot and see if that works.
> > 
> well, after doing that, it got "further" into the boot i guess you might
> say. still exits usplash at the same time (mounting root) but now theres
> more console output. here it is:
> 
> +echo
> +/sbin/udev --daemon
> + . /conf/initramfs.conf
> +BUSYBOX=y
> +BOOT=local
> +MODULES=most
> +DEVICE=eth0
> +NFSROOT=auto
> RESUME=/dev/sda5
> +root_type=scsi
> +/sbin/udevplug -Bide -Bscsi -Bi20 -Busb -Bieee1394 -Mem -Cmisc -Ctty
> -Cvc -b
> +/sbin/udevplug -Bpci -Iclass-0x01*
> +[ -e /dev/sda1]
> +log_begin_msg Waiting for root file system
> /scripts/init-premount/udev: 122: log_begin_msg: not found
> ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist Dropping to a shell!
> 
Oops, that one's my bad.

Scott
-- 
Scott James Remnant
scott at ubuntu.com
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:04:48 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:04:48 -0500
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5 will be added to the Hoary
> repos. It is available now for Linux at mozilla.org (no longer the
> Release Candidate), however it was not available in the repos last time
> I checked.
>
> Not a big deal, just wondering how long it takes for the Ubuntu build to
> appear.

Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
hoary-backports... maybe.

Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
it shows up. :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:06:46 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:06:46 -0500
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where's smbmount in breezy?


http://packages.ubuntu.com/

It's in the package 'smbfs'


--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From js at wdsl.co.za  Thu Dec  8 15:12:20 2005
From: js at wdsl.co.za (Johann Spies)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:12:20 +0200
Subject: How to install cinelerra
In-Reply-To: <binks.1zq4cm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051208122608.GB2858@adept.co.za>
	<binks.1zq4cm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051208151220.GA3614@adept.co.za>

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:25:06AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> use easybreezy to install the codecs
> 

I have tried that now and it made no difference.  I still get
the libiec61883.so.0 error.

Regards
Johann
-- 
J.H. Spies - Tel. 021-982 2694 / 082 782 0336 / 021-808 4036(w)  
             Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536
     "For I am the LORD your God; ye shall therefore  
      sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am 
      holy."          Leviticus 11:44 



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:35:27 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:35:27 +0000
Subject: icon question...
In-Reply-To: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439852BF.1000707@gmail.com>

Charles Malespin wrote:
> Hi all, I am trying to get my gaim and all-tray icons to follow the
> transparent background settings I have set on my panel(see
> attached .jpg)  I have basically used the default gaim setting where it
> places an icon there for you(btw why doesnt that icon change when I
> change icon themes?)  is there some way to create a different path or
> something so that I Can get rid of the small gray areas around gaim and
> my all-tray icons?  The terminal looking icon is used to generate the
> borderless terminal in the screenshot, and is using all-tray and
> instructions from ubuntuforums.org.  Any ideas?  Was I too confusing?
> Thanks, 
> Charles
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

I think you should try using a different icon set. I am using "Dropline 
Neu" icon set from .... I don't exactly remember. If you google for it 
you should be able to find it.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:40:20 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:40:20 +0100
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?
--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:56:07 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:26:07 +0330
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512080756k5751901fk890da841028f13f3@mail.gmail.com>

Debian's repositories are so... No Firefox 1.5 there yet

On 12/8/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/8/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5 will be added to the Hoary
> > repos. It is available now for Linux at mozilla.org (no longer the
> > Release Candidate), however it was not available in the repos last time
> > I checked.
> >
> > Not a big deal, just wondering how long it takes for the Ubuntu build to
> > appear.
>
> Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
> build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
> hoary-backports... maybe.
>
> Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
> release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
> it shows up. :)
>
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:57:13 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:27:13 +0330
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
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sudo apt-get install smbfs

On 12/8/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/8/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Where's smbmount in breezy?
>
>
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
>
> It's in the package 'smbfs'
>
>
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
==================================================
Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
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/* Of one Essence is the human race,
Thusly has Creation put the Base;
One Limb impacted is sufficient,
For all Others to feel the Mace.
                           ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */
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From dontodd at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:01:25 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:01:25 -0500
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512080801s17ba381rfff10f54bd1ee253@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?

tslater at hermes:~$ sudo apt-cache search aggregator
blam - an RSS aggregator for GNOME
feed2imap - feed aggregator (RSS/Atom) which puts items on a IMAP mail server
freepops - POP3 interface to several webmails
freepops-doc - freepops user/developer manual
liferea - feed aggregator for GNOME
raggle - console RSS aggregator
straw - A GNOME RSS (weblog) aggregator
yarssr - RSS reader for the notification area
cyrus21-murder - Cyrus mail system (proxies and aggregator)
libgstreamer0.8-0 - Core GStreamer libraries, plugins, and utilities
postgresql-contrib-7.4 - additional facilities for PostgreSQL
postgresql-contrib-8.0 - additional facilities for PostgreSQL
akregator - RSS feed aggregator for KDE

HTH,

Todd



From yann.simon.fr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:02:57 2005
From: yann.simon.fr at gmail.com (Yann Simon)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:02:57 +0100
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134057777.7745.14.camel@localhost>

not by default, but you can easily add one.

for example : Liferea

Le jeudi 08 décembre 2005 à 16:40 +0100, Luca Manganelli a écrit :
> Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
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From charles.malespin at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:03:51 2005
From: charles.malespin at gmail.com (Charles Malespin)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:03:51 -0600
Subject: icon question...
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> I think you should try using a different icon set. I am using "Dropline 
> Neu" icon set from .... I don't exactly remember. If you google for it 
> you should be able to find it.
> 

I tried your icon set, and for some reason it doesnt matter which icon
set I use.  the gaim and alltray icons do not change and are just set
with that gray border around them..   Is there a way to use a gaim
shortcut or something like that so I Can change the icon for it and have
it follow the transparent panel?



> -- 
> Regards,
>   - Saru
> --------------------------------------------
> Sarangan Thuraisingham
> ECS, University of Southampton, UK
> 
> Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net
> 
>     Tux is the Best
>    Next is the Rest
> --------------------------------------------
> 




From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Thu Dec  8 16:41:43 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:41:43 -0500
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>	<200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

D.Personne wrote:

>Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 22:11 -0700, Dana J. Laude a écrit :
>  
>
>>On Wednesday 07 December 2005 00:57, steven.simonet wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.
>>>      
>>>
>
>There are open source alternatives for skype.Do some google-ing...
>
>
>
>  
>
I know of no open source alternatives.  There are some othes that calim 
to be open, but when you look closely, it's proprietary closed source 
apps that do the fun stuff.

Mike K.



From revant.one at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:53:12 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:23:12 +0530
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512080853j7e5f63eboee8f98cf884635b4@mail.gmail.com>

Is skype for comp phone?
if it is, try
http://freshmeat.net/projects/gizmo/

revant
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From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec  8 16:53:41 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:53:41 -0600
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <20051208105341.11224dcf@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:41:43 -0500
MrKnisely <mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org> wrote:

> D.Personne wrote:
> 
> >Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 22:11 -0700, Dana J. Laude a écrit :
> >  
> >
> >>On Wednesday 07 December 2005 00:57, steven.simonet wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
> >There are open source alternatives for skype.Do some google-ing...
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> I know of no open source alternatives.  There are some othes that
> calim 
> to be open, but when you look closely, it's proprietary closed source 
> apps that do the fun stuff.
> 
> Mike K.
> 
Linphone?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:56:48 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:56:48 +0000
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512080756k5751901fk890da841028f13f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512080756k5751901fk890da841028f13f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80f459360512080856t23043526w@mail.gmail.com>

I managed to install firefox 1.5 in Breezy

I used this like

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/45917/index.html

Dont you just love a good google search ;)



On 08/12/05, Mehdi Hassanpour <mehdi.public at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Debian's repositories are so... No Firefox 1.5 there yet
>
> On 12/8/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/8/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5 will be added to the Hoary
> > > repos. It is available now for Linux at mozilla.org (no longer the
> > > Release Candidate), however it was not available in the repos last
> > time
> > > I checked.
> > >
> > > Not a big deal, just wondering how long it takes for the Ubuntu build
> > to
> > > appear.
> >
> > Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
> > build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
> > hoary-backports... maybe.
> >
> > Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
> > release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
> > it shows up. :)
> >
> > --
> > ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> > http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ==================================================
> Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> /* Of one Essence is the human race,
> Thusly has Creation put the Base;
> One Limb impacted is sufficient,
> For all Others to feel the Mace.
>                            ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://ImPersian.com     |     http://Hezardastan.org
> ==================================================
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


--
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and
try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of
judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime
is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I
am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you
can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. +++The Mentor+++
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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:58:06 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:58:06 +0000
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512080856t23043526w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512080756k5751901fk890da841028f13f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<80f459360512080856t23043526w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80f459360512080858y84022e9o@mail.gmail.com>

Oh and by the way, even tho is is for the beta version of FF RC, it will
still work for the released version too, you just need to know what your
doing '_'

Aaron

On 08/12/05, Aaron Kiley <aaron.kiley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I managed to install firefox 1.5 in Breezy
>
> I used this like
>
> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/45917/index.html
>
> Dont you just love a good google search ;)
>
>
>
> On 08/12/05, Mehdi Hassanpour <mehdi.public at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Debian's repositories are so... No Firefox 1.5 there yet
> >
> > On 12/8/05, Darryl Clarke < smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 12/8/05, Steve < bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5 will be added to the Hoary
> > > > repos. It is available now for Linux at mozilla.org (no longer the
> > > > Release Candidate), however it was not available in the repos last
> > > time
> > > > I checked.
> > > >
> > > > Not a big deal, just wondering how long it takes for the Ubuntu
> > > build to
> > > > appear.
> > >
> > > Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
> > > build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
> > > hoary-backports... maybe.
> > >
> > > Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
> > > release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
> > > it shows up. :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> > > http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ==================================================
> > Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > /* Of one Essence is the human race,
> > Thusly has Creation put the Base;
> > One Limb impacted is sufficient,
> > For all Others to feel the Mace.
> >                            ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > http://ImPersian.com     |     http://Hezardastan.org
> > ==================================================
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
> beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
> for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
> you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
> after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
> without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
> You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and
> try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
> Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of
> judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime
> is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I
> am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you
> can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. +++The Mentor+++




--
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and
try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of
judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime
is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I
am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you
can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. +++The Mentor+++
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From yann.simon.fr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:08:22 2005
From: yann.simon.fr at gmail.com (Yann Simon)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:08:22 +0100
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<200512072211.40470.dlaude@usadig.com>
	<1134021500.8660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43986247.8070103@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <1134061702.7745.16.camel@localhost>

Le jeudi 08 décembre 2005 à 11:41 -0500, MrKnisely a écrit :
> D.Personne wrote:
> 
> >Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 22:11 -0700, Dana J. Laude a écrit :
> >  
> >
> >>On Wednesday 07 December 2005 00:57, steven.simonet wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
> >There are open source alternatives for skype.Do some google-ing...
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> I know of no open source alternatives.  There are some othes that calim 
> to be open, but when you look closely, it's proprietary closed source 
> apps that do the fun stuff.
> 
> Mike K.
> 
There is OpenWengo

http://openwengo.com/
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From shot at hot.pl  Thu Dec  8 17:14:29 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:14:29 +0100
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051208171429.GY12932@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

Darryl Clarke:

> I was just wondering when/if Firefox 1.5
> will be added to the Hoary repos.

Firefox 1.5 will not get into Warty, Hoary, nor Breezy main (unless the
security fixes cannot be backported to the 1.0 branch), and I doubt it
will find its way to hoary-backports.

As for breezy-backports, this is still not decided - a lot of packages
will have to be recompiled against the new firefox-dev (for example,
GNOME's Help stops working if you simply rebuild Dapper's Firefox 1.5).

Please see the relevant threads at ubuntu-backports ML and forum.

On 12/8/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3)

1.5 is the same as 1.5RC3 - they released
the final candidate without any changes. :o)

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
Software and cathedrals are much the same - first we build them, then we pray.
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 17:22:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:22:13 -0500
Subject: Dependency problems
References: <W361097228106631131536279@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<1131564820.8829.0.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <Mujaheiden.1zqfgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Dennis Kaarsemaker Wrote: 
> On wo, 2005-11-09 at 11:37 +0000, alain.muls (AT) telenet (DOT) be
> wrote:
> 
> Please attach the complete error and your sources.list

Error is (Dutch, sorry)

$ sudo apt-get upgrade -f
Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar
0 pakketten opgewaardeerd, 0 nieuwe pakketten ge&#239;nstalleerd, 0
verwijderen en 0 niet opgewaardeerd.
7 pakketten niet volledig ge&#239;nstalleerd of verwijderd.
Er moeten 0B aan archieven opgehaald worden.
Na het uitpakken zal er 0B extra schijfruimte gebruikt worden.
Wilt u doorgaan [J/n]? j
Instellen van postfix (2.2.4-1ubuntu2) ...

Postfix configuration was untouched.  If you need to make changes, edit
/etc/postfix/main.cf (and others) as needed.  To view Postfix
configuration
values, see postconf(1).

After modifying main.cf, be sure to run '/etc/init.d/postfix reload'.

Running newaliases
* Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent... postfix/postfix-script:
fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running

[fail]
invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van postfix (--configure):
subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van mailx:
mailx is afhankelijk van postfix | mail-transport-agent; maar:
Pakket postfix is nog niet geconfigureerd.
Pakket mail-transport-agent is niet ge&#239;nstalleerd.
Pakket postfix die voorziet in mail-transport-agent is nog niet
geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van mailx (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van mutt:
mutt is afhankelijk van postfix | mail-transport-agent; maar:
Pakket postfix is nog niet geconfigureerd.
Pakket mail-transport-agent is niet ge&#239;nstalleerd.
Pakket postfix die voorziet in mail-transport-agent is nog niet
geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van mutt (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van lsb-core:
lsb-core is afhankelijk van postfix | mail-transport-agent; maar:
Pakket postfix is nog niet geconfigureerd.
Pakket mail-transport-agent is niet ge&#239;nstalleerd.
Pakket postfix die voorziet in mail-transport-agent is nog niet
geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van lsb-core (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van lsb-graphics:
lsb-graphics is afhankelijk van lsb-core; maar:
Pakket lsb-core is nog niet geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van lsb-graphics (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van lsb-cxx:
lsb-cxx is afhankelijk van lsb-core; maar:
Pakket lsb-core is nog niet geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van lsb-cxx (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van lsb:
lsb is afhankelijk van lsb-core; maar:
Pakket lsb-core is nog niet geconfigureerd.
lsb is afhankelijk van lsb-graphics; maar:
Pakket lsb-graphics is nog niet geconfigureerd.
lsb is afhankelijk van lsb-cxx; maar:
Pakket lsb-cxx is nog niet geconfigureerd.
dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van lsb (--configure):
vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureerd
Fouten gevonden tijdens behandelen van:
postfix
mailx
mutt
lsb-core
lsb-graphics
lsb-cxx
lsb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Sources list:
# 
# ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates
produced
# ## after the final release of the distribution.
# 
# 
# # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
# # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
# 
# #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
# #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
# #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
# 
# # backup Mirror - FAST
# 
# deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
# deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the
'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the
Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself
as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
security
## team.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse
restricted
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe
multiverse restricted

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main
restricted

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe

any tips?


-- 
Mujaheiden



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:40:17 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:40:17 +0200
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
Message-ID: <1134063617.8556.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 08:57 +0100, steven.simonet wrote:
> I am new to linux and Ubuntu and want to install skype. 
>  
> I didn't find it in the list of programs that can be installed.
>  
> How do I do this?
>  
>  
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
I went for the deb package first but this has got some problems with
dependencies. I tried http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static and
it works. You just extract and run and that's it. It looks ugly on my
machine and takes a long time to startup but otherwise it works.

(Plus you can enable the display of some statistics for your calls which
I believe is not possible in windows)




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec  8 17:47:20 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:47:20 -0800
Subject: MD RAID-1 deadlocks ?
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512072305p4641be2hd169ae8e129ae024@mail.gmail.com>
References: <515e525f0512070537s64c41baag9c8dbd6baf7e8bb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4397B4BB.7050909@csee.wvu.edu>
	<515e525f0512072305p4641be2hd169ae8e129ae024@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134064040.10863.52.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 23:05, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> I thought the same, but memcheck has thrown up no problems with it. I
> suppose it could be intermittant.

Back in the dark ages we fixed a PC which crashed 10 minutes into
a game as you jumped over a dinosaur's head.  There were 36 RAM
chips to replace and we had played the game over 20 times and
replaced over 20 chips before we found the faulty one.  With
chip swapping time and reboot time it took about six hours.

Memory testers find most errors but not all, particularly where
there's a pattern sensitivity.

--Mike Bird




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:47:30 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:47:30 +0200
Subject: Managing the trash in ubuntu
Message-ID: <1134064050.8556.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

How can I limit the amount of space taken up by Trash? Do I have to
manually check it and empty it every once in a while? It gets annoying.




From lproven at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:51:48 2005
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:51:48 +0000
Subject: X died after upgrading 4.10
Message-ID: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com>

I've just managed to fix my main PC, which has been dead since March.
My main OS was Ubuntu 4.10 tho' it also has W2K, Xandros 3 and SuSE
9.3 on it.

Naturally enough, when I got it to boot once again, it found a whole
host of updates it wanted to install. 4.10 had no automatic update - I
went into Synaptic and told it to install all updates. About 234MB of
them.

After doing so, my X server will no longer start. I have a Matrox G550
AGP card with identical twin 17" CRTs on it; both ran at 1280x1024 in
24-bit colour. I only got this working by copying the working xfree86
config file over from my SuSE installation; I tried amending Ubuntu's
xfree86.conf by hand to enable the 2nd monitor but it wouldn't work.

In the course of the upgrade, it has replaced Xfree86 with X.org and
this appears not to understand the xfree86 config file. I have had the
same problem on SuSE, incidentally.

I managed to get the rest of the patches and updates from the command
prompt with

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

But now I have a running system with no GUI.

I have tried running X -configure but this also will not start. Both
normal X startup and the -configure startup report that they cannot
find a valid keyboard device.

Any ideas of what I can try next? I am at a loss. Should I simply
remove xorg.conf and start from scratch?

All help gratefully received!

--
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 17:40:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:40:40 -0500
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com><20041203212853.GA17092@alcor.net><neighborlee.1olfky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><neighborlee.1otutr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><mtron.1xvply@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<509d63b70511030650k73a0cde0rb8b93919163b5453@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tomwell.1zqgdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Am using an HP psc 1210 and it works remarkably well!!! Better than in
Windoze...

Peace

Tom


-- 
tomwell



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Thu Dec  8 18:15:22 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 93
In-Reply-To: <s397fd8c.065@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s397fd8c.065@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051208181522.GA25038@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:32:32AM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> If I have to give my grand-daughter my root password to connect to the internet, she would immediately have the power to completely destroy my operating system. (By mistake surely, but mistakes are easy to make!)

Please re-read what I wrote in my earlier post.

By default, root is disabled on Ubuntu.  When you need to perform tasks
that ask for a password it asks for your _user_ password, not root.
If the user has sufficient privileges the user will be allowed to
perform the task.

By default, the first user on an Ubuntu system has the equivalent of
root privileges and can perfrom those tasks through sudo.

When you add a user to the system, you can control in quite fine
detail what tasks a user is allowed to perform.  Have a look at:

    System -> Administration -> Users and Groups

Click on the properties button for a user and then the User Privileges
tab.

Now, if you use the System -> Administration -> Networking applet to
dial up you will have to grant full admin privileges to users.  To me
that's not a problem as I'm the only user on this box and I rarely use
dial up anyway.  If that's a problem for you then fine, don't use it.

Do a search in synaptic for dial up tools that don't need full admin
privs (gnome-ppp, for example).  There've been other dial up tools
mentioned several times on this list over the past couple of days.
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Thu Dec  8 18:20:06 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:20:06 +0100
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
In-Reply-To: <20051208092441.GB5386@die.therning.org>
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ltmon.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134024234.6578.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051208092441.GB5386@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <1134066006.6578.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:24 +0000, Magnus Therning wrote:
> Then one can choose ext2.

Sure :)




From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 18:16:19 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:16:19 +0000
Subject: X died after upgrading 4.10
In-Reply-To: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43987873.4060806@yahoo.co.uk>

did you try

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

or possible if the machine still has xfree86

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

is there an error messsage when you run startx, or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start

sam

Liam Proven wrote:
> I've just managed to fix my main PC, which has been dead since March.
> My main OS was Ubuntu 4.10 tho' it also has W2K, Xandros 3 and SuSE
> 9.3 on it.
> 
> Naturally enough, when I got it to boot once again, it found a whole
> host of updates it wanted to install. 4.10 had no automatic update - I
> went into Synaptic and told it to install all updates. About 234MB of
> them.
> 
> After doing so, my X server will no longer start. I have a Matrox G550
> AGP card with identical twin 17" CRTs on it; both ran at 1280x1024 in
> 24-bit colour. I only got this working by copying the working xfree86
> config file over from my SuSE installation; I tried amending Ubuntu's
> xfree86.conf by hand to enable the 2nd monitor but it wouldn't work.
> 
> In the course of the upgrade, it has replaced Xfree86 with X.org and
> this appears not to understand the xfree86 config file. I have had the
> same problem on SuSE, incidentally.
> 
> I managed to get the rest of the patches and updates from the command
> prompt with
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> But now I have a running system with no GUI.
> 
> I have tried running X -configure but this also will not start. Both
> normal X startup and the -configure startup report that they cannot
> find a valid keyboard device.
> 
> Any ideas of what I can try next? I am at a loss. Should I simply
> remove xorg.conf and start from scratch?
> 
> All help gratefully received!
> 
> --
> Liam Proven · http://livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=lproven
> AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com · MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com
> Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk · Skype: liamproven · ICQ: 73187508
> Gmail/Google Talk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com
> 

		
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec  8 18:35:44 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:35:44 -0600
Subject: Install Questions
In-Reply-To: <1133392156.8491.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <438D040E.1020208@wadesmart.com>
	<200511300030.43856@morrigan>	<438D1695.4070601@wadesmart.com>
	<200511300126.16558@morrigan>	<438D2083.8020606@wadesmart.com>
	<1133392156.8491.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43987D00.8060709@wadesmart.com>

12082005 1234 GMT-5

It has taken many many long days but its working! Thanks time for that 
explanation. Every time I went to get that lib file the rep was down. 
Finally got it last night and got it install today.

Again - thanks everyone who responded.

Wade



Tim Frost wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 21:46 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>11292005 2141 GMT-5
>>
>>This is from the INSTALL file:
>>1. ./configure
>>    
>>
>
>when I ran configure, it crashed:
>        creating libtool
>        checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
>        checking for libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0... tim at marvin:~/src/gruler-0.6$ echo $?
>        1
>        tim at marvin:~/src/gruler-0.6$ tail config.log
>        #define PACKAGE "gruler"
>        #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
>        #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
>        #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
>        #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
>        #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
>        #define STDC_HEADERS 1
>        #define VERSION "0.6"
>        
>        configure: exit 1
>        
>        
>This indicates that some dependent development packages are missing from
>the build machine.  I confirmed that libgnomeui-dev was missing.
>Selecting that in synaptic, then checking the marked changes, tells me
>that 54 packages need to be installed.  The necessity to install
>development packages is consistent with the way software is packaged,
>with the development libraries separated from the production binary
>package.
>
>The INSTALL and README files do NOT tell you what development libraries
>are needed, and because this is not a debian/ubuntu source, there is no
>way to know what build dependencies must be met.
>
>
>However, after installing libgnomeui-dev and the other 53 files, the
>configure finishes by creating the makefiles:
>
>        configure: creating ./config.status
>        config.status: creating Makefile
>        config.status: creating intl/Makefile
>        config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
>        config.status: creating macros/Makefile
>        config.status: creating include/Makefile
>        config.status: creating src/Makefile
>        config.status: creating pixmaps/Makefile
>        config.status: creating gruler.desktop
>        config.status: creating config.h
>        config.status: executing depfiles commands
>        config.status: executing default-1 commands
>        config.status: creating po/POTFILES
>        config.status: creating po/Makefile
>
>And the make was successful
>
>
>  
>
>>2. 'make' to compile
>>3. Optionally, 'make check'
>>4. make install
>>    
>>
>For this step you need to be root.  The advice to use checkinstall is
>good, as it creates a .deb that can be managed using apt.  checkinstall
>is in universe, so you need to enable that repository.
>
>
>Your choices are:
>1: Just do the install:
>  sudo make install
>2: use checkinstall to build a .deb package, and install that:
>  sudo checkinstall
>
>
>  
>
>>5. you can remove the binaries.
>>
>>Thats pretty much it.
>>I have two files titled Makefile.am and Makefile.in. I dont know if that 
>>helps.
>>
>>There is a thread running about frustruation with linux, if there is any 
>>one thing that is totally frustrating is this: installing software.
>>
>>I installed this on 5.04 and considering I dont know what Im doing, I 
>>got it running. HOW did I do that?
>>    
>>
>
>I would guess that you had all the development tools and packages
>installed.
>  
>
>>Thanks for your help Federico.
>>
>>Wade
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>Tim
>
>
>  
>



From uid000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 18:44:08 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:44:08 -0500
Subject: User Permission on USB Stick
In-Reply-To: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134015143.16706.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512081044m7660dea8h4773479f2f2ca401@mail.gmail.com>

Since FAT has no permissions mechanism of its own, the linux kernel enforces
permissions based on the mount options.  Usually when a FAT filesystem is
mounted it will be mounted with a particular UMASK.  This means that all
permissions are enabled for every file created except those permissions
specified in the UMASK.  I think you can't even change permissions with
chmod.  This is just a limitation of the FAT filesystem.

As others have mentioned ext2/ext3 is an option where permissions are
important.  These more advanced filesystems also support features like
symlinks and user & group ownership.  However the notion of ownership causes
its own problems with usb flash drives, because if you use it to share files
between computers, if your user IDs and group IDs are not the same on all
computers, then you will have trouble reading/writing/deleting files.  You
may find yourself having to use root/sudo to set permissions & ownership
when moving files back and forth.  That can be a hassle.  To my knowledge
there aren't any mount options for ext2 that will flatten permissions to,
say 777 for directories & 666 for files.

On 12/7/05, Ashwani Jain <ashwani at gisil.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am using Ubuntu 5.10.  When I plug in my USB Stick (Kingston 256MB), it
> gets mounted and now we can cut/copy/paste files on and off it.  But the
> problem is that when I copy file form my pc to usb stick it changes it file
> permission.  e.g. I copied a file from my desktop file permission for that
> was 644 and after it got copied to usb stick, on usb stick its file
> permission were 700, when I copied a file carrying file permission 777 after
> it got copied to usb stick its file permission changed to 744.
>
> Why so happens, kindly help.
>
>
>   Thanks & regards
>
> Ashwani Jain
> Systems Administrator
> GISIL, 10th Floor, Tower A
> Signature Towers
> South City 1
> Gurgaon 121001
> Haryana, INDIA
> Handphone: +91-9811084143
> Fax : +91-124-5071700
> Office: +91-124-5071600 ext 202
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 18:46:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:46:00 -0500
Subject: Changing the behavior of Nautilus
References: <Anonymous.1ejupu@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <carl_beattie.1zqj5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


select the Configuration editor.



>From the "Configurqtion editor", open up the apps folder. Scroll down
to the nautilus folder and open this folder. Select the preferences
folder for nautilus.



Go to the right panel and check the little box for always use browse.
Now you can close the editor and all future openings of the file
manager should be better and more usable, with less distraction from
popup express (linux version).



You could also right click on the icon for your home folder, then
choose the browse choice. This way works also.


-- 
carl_beattie



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 18:46:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:46:15 -0500
Subject: pocket PC
References: <423203C9.5010705@themauvezone.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <TofuTheGreat.1zqj5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Glad I'm not the only one looking into this.  So far I've seen
references to "multisync" and "synce".  Your mileage may vary.


-- 
TofuTheGreat



From charles.malespin at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 19:12:20 2005
From: charles.malespin at gmail.com (Charles Malespin)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:12:20 -0600
Subject: Switching from Evolution to Thunderbird....
Message-ID: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all,  I want to try out Thunderbird to see if I like it more than
Evolution.  My main concern is that I have ALOT of emails in evolution
from gmail, this list(through gmail) and my university account.  How can
I transfer them to Thunderbird so that they are all there?  I have been
using the default set up so I would imagine they are all in the place
that ubuntu originally stores them.  Easier the better please.... 
BTW, what packages do I need to install to make a full Thunderbird
install?
Thanks,
Charles




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 19:19:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:19:09 -0500
Subject: xorg.conf + xinerama
References: <41A6321A.2040200@dlcsolutions.ath.cx>
	<Lord_Of_The_Polls.1p8xvn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <ipsharer.1zqk3b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi,



I have a Xinerama Config too and it works, nearly.

My Second monitor isn't able to display a resoloutin above

640x480.

In fact its not my Monitor causing the Problem but my X-Server.

Im relatively new to Linux and not sure what the X-Server wants from me
exactly

when he sais "(EE) TRIDENT(1): Cannot shmat() high memory

(EE) TRIDENT(1): shmget error: Invalid argument".



I'm expecting a driver error but I'm not sure if its a config error
instead.



Here's my xorg.conf:


PHP code:
--------------------
    # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)

  #

  # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using

  # values from the debconf database.

  #

  # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.

  # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)

  #

  # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*

  # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg

  # package.

  #

  # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated

  # again, run the following commands:

  #

  #   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom

  #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'

  #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

  

  Section "Files"

  	FontPath	"unix/:7100"			# local font server

  	# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"

  	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"

  # paths to defoma fonts

  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"

  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Module"

  	Load	"bitmap"

  	Load	"dbe"

  	Load	"ddc"

  #	Load	"dri"

  	Load	"extmod"

  	Load	"freetype"

  	Load	"glx"

  	Load	"int10"

  	Load	"record"

  	Load	"type1"

  	Load	"vbe"

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"

  	Driver		"keyboard"

  	Option		"CoreKeyboard"

  	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"

  	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"

  	Option		"XkbLayout"	"de"

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"

  	Driver		"mouse"

  	Option		"CorePointer"

  	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"

  	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"

  	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"

  	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Device"

  	Identifier	"nVidia"

  	Driver		"nvidia"

  	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"

  EndSection

  Section "Device"

  	Identifier	"Trident"

  	Driver		"trident"

  	BusID		"PCI:0:11:0"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Monitor"

  	Identifier	"Acer AL1521"

  	Option		"DPMS"

  	HorizSync	30-63

  	VertRefresh	55-75

  EndSection

  Section "Monitor"

  	Identifier	"Standard"

  	Option		"DPMS"

  	HorizSync	30-63

  	VertRefresh	55-75

  EndSection

  

  Section "Screen"

  	Identifier	"Screen1"

  	Device		"nVidia"

  	Monitor		"Acer AL1521"

  	DefaultDepth	16

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		16

  		Modes		"1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"

  EndSubSection

  EndSection

  

  Section "Screen"

  	Identifier	"Screen2"

  	Device		"Trident"

  	Monitor		"Standard"

  	DefaultDepth	16

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		16

  		Modes		"800x600

  	EndSubSection

  EndSection

  

  Section "ServerLayout"

  	Identifier	"Multihead Layout"

  	Screen		"Screen1"

  	Screen		"Screen2" LeftOf "Screen1"

  	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"

  	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"

  	Option "Clone" "Off"

  	Option "Xinerama" "On"

  EndSection

  

  Section "DRI"

  	Group 0

  	Mode	0666

  EndSection

  
--------------------




PS: I'm using the same Trident-Card as you do and my Name is Daniel too
*g*


-- 
ipsharer



From josh at dotmil.org  Thu Dec  8 19:22:06 2005
From: josh at dotmil.org (Josh King)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:22:06 -0600
Subject: Apology
In-Reply-To: <s398371d.023@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s398371d.023@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <439887DE.6020301@dotmil.org>

Bill Cairns wrote:
> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
> 
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:47:07 +0200
> From: "Bill Cairns" <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za>
> Subject: Re: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 94
> 
> 
> OOps - my apology for not changing the subject line. My mouse clicked too fast!
> 
> 
> Bill

You may also want to consider removing your company email "legal" notice 
before posting to a public mailing list.

 From the notice:

"This email transmission contains confidential information, which is the 
property of Eskom Holdings Limited (“Eskom”). No person, other than the 
recipient (so indicated by the sender) may use or disclose the contents 
of this message, links or attachments hereto, to any person whatsoever. 
Unauthorised disclosure and/or use may result in civil and criminal 
liability."



From golfbuf at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 19:43:57 2005
From: golfbuf at gmail.com (golfer)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:43:57 -0500
Subject: updating nvidia
Message-ID: <835a7820512081143p4b033369qe52bed8842fdc7b7@mail.gmail.com>

I see nvidia recently released 1.0-8174 and wonder how others are
going about updating to it.  It's not available in ubuntu.  I also
checked debian for this package, but they don't have it yet either.

What's your experience .. is it better to remove the nvidia packages
and just use the nvidia official installer, or wait for the debian
packages to be made and find their way into ubuntu (maybe not until
dapper)?

regards,



From smurf at smurf.noris.de  Thu Dec  8 19:41:34 2005
From: smurf at smurf.noris.de (Matthias Urlichs)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:41:34 +0100
Subject: Community Council meeting 6 dec 2005
References: <1133912796.27779.66.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.08.19.41.30.573989@smurf.noris.de>

Hi, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:

> It is clear that the CC has little knowledge of how the forums work and
> that this needs to change.

That certainly is part of th problem. Another part is that some people,
who may or may not be Forum admins, seem to think that the CoC does
not apply to them.

-- 
Matthias Urlichs   |   {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de   |  smurf at smurf.noris.de
Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de
 - -
"If you want to know what happens to you when you die, go look at some dead
stuff."
-- Dave Enyeart





From rafasch at uol.com.br  Thu Dec  8 20:06:03 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:06:03 -0200
Subject: ping localhost
Message-ID: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>

Hello,

Is this right?

rafael at ubuntu:~$ ping 127.0.0.1
PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms

Thanks for any tip.

Rafael.



From jlalarcon at gawab.com  Thu Dec  8 20:19:50 2005
From: jlalarcon at gawab.com (Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:19:50 +0100
Subject: updating nvidia
In-Reply-To: <835a7820512081143p4b033369qe52bed8842fdc7b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <835a7820512081143p4b033369qe52bed8842fdc7b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134073190.16340.11.camel@Endeavour.lordofunix.org>

On jue, 2005-12-08 at 14:43 -0500, golfer wrote:
> I see nvidia recently released 1.0-8174 and wonder how others are
> going about updating to it.  It's not available in ubuntu.  I also
> checked debian for this package, but they don't have it yet either.
> 
> What's your experience .. is it better to remove the nvidia packages
> and just use the nvidia official installer, or wait for the debian
> packages to be made and find their way into ubuntu (maybe not until
> dapper)?
> 
> regards,
> 

This is only your option. Nobody can tell you what "is better".

If you want to use "now" the 8174 driver, you must download the Generic
driver from the Company web and compile it with the same gcc used with
your kernel. You don't have more choices...

I probe it, and works fine. But one more thing, if you have a card some
time old (like mine, 4 years old), a new driver usually don't add any
more support for it. In other words, usually is not needed upgrade the
driver. Is only a question of "have the last"...

Hope this help.

Regards.

Jose.

 
-- 
http://www.lordofunix.org/

Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
Registered BSD User 51101.
Registered Linux User #213309.
Memories..... You are talking about memories. 
Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.




From hometoast at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 20:24:05 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:24:05 -0500
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512081224n3ff151f2re88000be060db4cc@mail.gmail.com>

sounds like the loopback module is not installed.
Could you post your output of  ... ?
$ ifconfig
$ cat /etc/hosts
$ iptables -n -L

On 12/8/05, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is this right?
>
> rafael at ubuntu:~$ ping 127.0.0.1
> PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
>
> --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms
>
> Thanks for any tip.
>
> Rafael.
>
> --
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From alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg  Fri Dec  9 07:07:08 2005
From: alf.vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:07:08 +1100
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications Menu
In-Reply-To: <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>  <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1134112028.4097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,
Are there keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications menu from the
Desktop? As much as possible I avoid using the mouse unless absolutely
necessary.

Alfred





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 20:22:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:22:06 -0500
Subject: ping localhost
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


no,

do you have a firewall running?


-- 
earobinson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 20:22:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: updating nvidia
References: <835a7820512081143p4b033369qe52bed8842fdc7b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MartinG.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've upgraded with positive results, especially that I can now use the
Composite extension without a system freeze (KDE).



I used the NVidia installer. Be aware that it needs to build a new
kernel module, so you need to remove the Ubuntu restricted modules (I
don't know how to remove just the nvidia one) as well as the driver,
and of course you'll need kernel headers.


-- 
MartinG



From xrdawson at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 20:42:51 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:42:51 -0800
Subject: networking bug?
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512081242h2a3b8825wc6c1c42bff323021@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone help me understand if network routing is not broken with
ubuntu.  I've configured a wireless card for DHCP and cannot seem to
select the eth1 device as the gateway device.  This means I don't have
a default route.  I cannot add it either:  sudo route add default gw
192.168.1.1 returns "SIOCADDRT: Network is down" " sudo
/etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't help this either.

This usually happens if I try to create a static IP for a local
network on my eth0 device, and do not specify a gateway.  If I do
this, and then attempt to stop that device and restart the eth1
wireless device, I cannot get the routing to work unless I reboot.

Thanks,
Chris



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Thu Dec  8 20:49:06 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:49:06 +0000
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications Menu
In-Reply-To: <1134112028.4097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>
	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>
	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>  <4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>
	<1134112028.4097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134074947.8967.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 18:07 +1100, Alfred Vahau wrote:

> Are there keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications menu from the
> Desktop? As much as possible I avoid using the mouse unless absolutely
> necessary.

Alt+F1 works here under Breezy (Which has Applications, Places and
System menus on the top Panel).  Alt+F1 drops the Applications menu
down, cursor (arrow) keys navigate between and in menus.

Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts shows all sorts of useful key
combinations and allows them to be configured to your tastes too.  I
suspect you could link the Panel Menus (Applications etc) to the Windows
Key if you wanted...

Neil
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From thiago.venancio at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 22:52:00 2005
From: thiago.venancio at gmail.com (Thiago Motta Venancio)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:52:00 -0400
Subject: printer problems
Message-ID: <4398B910.1090304@gmail.com>

Hi all.
I have ubuntu installed with CUPS.

I run the CUPS deamon as root. All ok.
I have set the permissions to port 631 with my ip.
I can see the interfacte to manage CUPS printers ok, but with de warning:


Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use 
Menu System > Administration > Printing.

When I go to the local indicated, the application does not open for a 
while, and then i get the error "Could not contact CUPS server".

I have googled it, but found no useful answer.

Any help?

Thanks in advance.

Thiago



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec  8 20:52:28 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:52:28 +0100 (CET)
Subject: GRUB > and GRUB-install
Message-ID: <23962.213.237.42.134.1134075148.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

Hi Helpers

I am making some basic setup for a graphical company to show it can be
transfered to Linux as well -bit for bit. I have no idea of dual-boot
where windows have to be included (for a windows RIP-server to BIG
printers).

As usual Ubuntu on the AMD64 do work perfect, but I cannot boot the Windows.

My /boot/grub/menu.lst (windows section) looks like this:

title windows
map (hd1)(hd0)
map (hd0)(hd1)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

The error is just: GRUB - now just like I try to boot the windows disk alone.

I have tried first sudo grub-install which gave a nice feed back refering
to both of my drives, but without any practical changed effect. Then I
started GRUB with: (looked OK in /boot/grub/device.map)
# grub
grub> root (hd1,0)
grub> setup (hd0)
grub> quit
To install the bootloader on the windows-drive again without any effect
(even when I did it mounts and chroot from a live-CD.


Background:
I know I am persistent as I reject to reinstall without understand why it
does not work. (I could start with Windows and reinstall the Ubuntu, and I
guess the GRUB bootloader will work. What I did was physical unplug my
Breezy and installed the windows. But I cannot get the windows started.
And after mingling I cannot even start the windows when the Ubuntu is
unplugged anymore. It freeze with GRUB (even I have rootnoverify written.
I know windows is on hd(1,0) and Ubuntu at hd(0,0) corresponding to a
ordinary fat drive at /dev/hda1 and a ext3 sata drive at /dev/sda1

My /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like this:


## ## End Default Options ##

title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic Default
root		(hd0,0)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
initrd		/boot/initrd.img
savedefault
boot

title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic Default (recovery mode)
root		(hd0,0)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro single
initrd		/boot/initrd.img
boot

title		Ubuntu, memtest86+
root		(hd0,0)
kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
boot

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

title	Other operating system:

title Windows XP64

map             (hd0) (hd1)
map             (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify            (hd1,0)
makeactive
#savedefault
chainloader +1


Any help is wellcome

Best regards

Phillip



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 20:44:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:44:16 -0500
Subject: Faxmodem software
References: <adbefcbf050907115934cea17c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7124aab10512080610m5a5186a5h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <foolosophy.1zqopy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have installed efax and seems to work fine for receiving faxes. But
when I try to use the "standby" mode, it hangs up.



This is the error:



efax-0.9a: 29:16 opened /dev/ttyS0

efax-0.9a: 29:19 using U.S. Robotics 56K Message Rev. 14.10.1 U.S.
Robotics 56K Message OK OK in class 2.0

efax-0.9a: 29:21 Error: modem command (S0=9) failed

efax-0.9a: 29:22 done, returning 3 (invalid modem response)



Supposedly, this faxmodem can be used as a voicemail and as a fax. When
I used Windows, I used to leave it on when I left, and it worked as an
answering machine, and also as a fax receiver. Then, when turning on
the computer again I could listen my voicemail and see faxes received
that were saved in the modem's memory. The modem is an external 3Com
U.S. Robotics 56K Message Modem.



Do you know how can I use it? I tried with "getty", but I couldn't run
the program.



Pablo


-- 
foolosophy



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec  8 20:59:56 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:59:56 -0800
Subject: networking bug?
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512081242h2a3b8825wc6c1c42bff323021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30512081242h2a3b8825wc6c1c42bff323021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134075596.10863.98.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 12:42, Chris Dawson wrote:
> I cannot add it either:  sudo route add default gw
> 192.168.1.1 returns "SIOCADDRT: Network is down" " sudo
> /etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't help this either.

Please show us "sudo ip link show" and "sudo ip route show".




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 20:52:52 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:52:52 +0000
Subject: networking bug?
References: <659b9ea30512081242h2a3b8825wc6c1c42bff323021@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86lkyv8g63.fsf@gmail.com>

Are u running Breezy?

Chris Dawson <xrdawson at gmail.com> writes:

 | Can someone help me understand if network routing is not broken with
 | ubuntu.  I've configured a wireless card for DHCP and cannot seem to
 | select the eth1 device as the gateway device.  This means I don't have
 | a default route.  I cannot add it either:  sudo route add default gw
 | 192.168.1.1 returns "SIOCADDRT: Network is down" " sudo
 | /etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't help this either.
 | 
 | This usually happens if I try to create a static IP for a local
 | network on my eth0 device, and do not specify a gateway.  If I do
 | this, and then attempt to stop that device and restart the eth1
 | wireless device, I cannot get the routing to work unless I reboot.
 | 
 | Thanks,
 | Chris
 | 

-- 
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.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
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From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Thu Dec  8 21:28:40 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:28:40 +1000
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications Menu
In-Reply-To: <1134074947.8967.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512051449.41438.dcparris@matheteuo.org>	<4394A282.9010809@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zl5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4394E3EE.50405@cox.net>	<4394F150.3000700@cox.net>	<saltydog.1zm07b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4395BC17.7000509@cox.net>	<1134112028.4097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134074947.8967.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4398A588.2080005@upng.ac.pg>

neil woolford wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 18:07 +1100, Alfred Vahau wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Are there keyboard shortcuts to Computer and Applications menu from the
>>Desktop? As much as possible I avoid using the mouse unless absolutely
>>necessary.
>>    
>>
>
>Alt+F1 works here under Breezy (Which has Applications, Places and
>System menus on the top Panel).  Alt+F1 drops the Applications menu
>down, cursor (arrow) keys navigate between and in menus.
>
>Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts shows all sorts of useful key
>combinations and allows them to be configured to your tastes too.  I
>suspect you could link the Panel Menus (Applications etc) to the Windows
>Key if you wanted...
>
>Neil
>  
>
Thanks. Works well in Warty.

Alfred,

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From xrdawson at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:31:40 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:31:40 -0800
Subject: networking bug?
In-Reply-To: <86lkyv8g63.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30512081242h2a3b8825wc6c1c42bff323021@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lkyv8g63.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512081331w2b322bd4v7ab996c6c60a69e7@mail.gmail.com>

cdawson at arrail:~$ sudo ip link show
Password:
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
4: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop
    link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0
5: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:0d:60:5f:ce:80 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
6: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:0c:f1:16:04:bc brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
cdawson at arrail:~$ sudo ip route show
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth1  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.123

cdawson at arrail:~$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:    n/a
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)
Release:        5.10
Codename:       breezy


Chris

On 12/8/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are u running Breezy?
>
> Chris Dawson <xrdawson at gmail.com> writes:
>
>  | Can someone help me understand if network routing is not broken with
>  | ubuntu.  I've configured a wireless card for DHCP and cannot seem to
>  | select the eth1 device as the gateway device.  This means I don't have
>  | a default route.  I cannot add it either:  sudo route add default gw
>  | 192.168.1.1 returns "SIOCADDRT: Network is down" " sudo
>  | /etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't help this either.
>  |
>  | This usually happens if I try to create a static IP for a local
>  | network on my eth0 device, and do not specify a gateway.  If I do
>  | this, and then attempt to stop that device and restart the eth1
>  | wireless device, I cannot get the routing to work unless I reboot.
>  |
>  | Thanks,
>  | Chris
>  |
>
> --
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> .     *                               .
> .    /.\        Merry Christmas       .
> .   /..'\                             .
> .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    .
> .  /.''.'\                            .
> .  /.'.'.\                            .
> . /'.''.'.\                           .
> . ^^^[_]^^^                           .
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec  8 21:31:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:31:09 -0500
Subject: GRUB > and GRUB-install
References: <23962.213.237.42.134.1134075148.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <Hobbes.1zqqkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>From what I understand you installed each OS on its own hard drive. 
That is a complicated problem for getting them both to boot properly. 
The best way I have seen to do it is as follows:



wellmt Wrote: 
> Here is a method of using two hard drives, with Windows on one disk and
> Linux on the other. What I like about it is that I can reinstall Linux
> whilst leaving the Windows drive alone. Not sure if it will help you in
> this case but someone might find it useful.

> 

> 1. Setup Windows on your primary hard drive as normal (if not already
> done)

> 2. Take out the Windows hard drive and set it as slave using jumpers
> and put back in to PC

> 3. Set your other drive to primary using Jumpers. Put into PC and
> install Ubuntu on it. Install GRUB as normal to the MBR of the linux
> drive.

> 4. Ubuntu will detect your Windows drive and add it to the boot menu -
> but the menu entry won't work as Windows expects to be the primary
> drive. It's easy to fix through, all you do is change the grub menu
> entry for windows.

> 

> $sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst

> 

> Find the windows section in the file and add the bit in italics IIRC.
> This basically causes grub remap the secondary drive as primary and
> vice versa temporailly, allowing Windows to boot as normal. 

> 

> 

> # Windows

> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional

> root		(hd1,0)

> savedefault

> makeactive

> -map		(hd0) (hd1)

> map		(hd1) (hd0)-

> chainloader	+1



Hope this helps.. otherwise search the forums for: dual-boot separate
hard drives

or something of the sort.


-- 
Hobbes



From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:49:11 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:49:11 +0100
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>
	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure the driver is correctly installed?

On 12/8/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> no,
>
> do you have a firewall running?
>
>
> --
> earobinson
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 22:36:49 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:36:49 -0500
Subject: Does Ubuntu 5.10 work "out of the box" every time with the Mac
	mini? Having problems booting a new install.
Message-ID: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>

As per the subject: does Ubuntu work flawlessly with the Mac mini out
of the box?

The reason I ask...

I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 (from a ShipIt disk) to a 5.2 GB
partition (first partition on the drive) and it doesn't boot properly.

It'll get to yaboot and go past a little bit but then the monitor goes
dead and I see (and hear) no activity whatsoever from the CPU (if I
listen really carefully and all other sources of noise are off I can
hear the HD).

This is a bog-standard install: 1.25 GHz, upgraded to 512 MB RAM, 40
GB HD (partitioned 35 GB OS X 10.4 and 5.2 GB partition Ubuntu 5.10),
17" KDS Avitron VGA-connected monitor (capable of 1280x1024, 1152*864,
1024*768, 832*624, 800*600, 640*480 and a variety of non-standard
sizes).

The Mac mini booted fine with the Live CD.

Any ideas? (yes, I realise I haven't provided much info... I don't
*have* much info ;-).

Eric.



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Thu Dec  8 22:42:35 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:42:35 -0200
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br>

Steve Vandegaer escreveu:

> Are you sure the driver is correctly installed?
>
> On 12/8/05, *'Forum Post* <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org 
> <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     no,
>
>     do you have a firewall running?
>
>
>     --
>     earobinson
>
Hello ,

I don't have a firewall runing.
My adsl connection it's runing ok.
That problem start happening when I dist-upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10.

Rafael.



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Thu Dec  8 22:48:05 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:48:05 -0200
Subject: Switching from Evolution to Thunderbird....
In-Reply-To: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4398B825.2070506@uol.com.br>

Charles Malespin escreveu:

>Hi all,  I want to try out Thunderbird to see if I like it more than
>Evolution.  My main concern is that I have ALOT of emails in evolution
>from gmail, this list(through gmail) and my university account.  How can
>I transfer them to Thunderbird so that they are all there?  I have been
>using the default set up so I would imagine they are all in the place
>that ubuntu originally stores them.  Easier the better please.... 
>BTW, what packages do I need to install to make a full Thunderbird
>install?
>Thanks,
>Charles
>
>
>  
>

Hello ,

Just copy your email files to thunderbird directory and your emails will be all there 
next time you run thunderbird.

Rafael.






From max at militant.dk  Thu Dec  8 22:48:12 2005
From: max at militant.dk (Max Andersen)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:48:12 +0100
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4398B82C.8010307@militant.dk>

Darryl Clarke wrote:

>Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
>build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
>hoary-backports... maybe.
>
>Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
>release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
>it shows up. :)
>

Exactly. I can't see version 1.5 should be issued as a security update 
since a DoS might have been released yesterday.

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/73

This is a more detailed test, but I haven't actually tested it myself:

http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/newsbriefs/73/269/threaded#269

Sincerely
Max Andersen
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From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 22:59:21 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:59:21 -0500
Subject: Does Ubuntu 5.10 work "out of the box" every time with the Mac
	mini? Having problems booting a new install.
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512081459j49806f0dvc9737dd9e806eef3@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I've tried changing the screen resolution before I reboot from
OS X (down to 1024*768). No difference. I snapped a few pictures of
the screen as it flashed by and this is what I get:

I'm running yaboot 1.313

device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0

partition=3

After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):

Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc

linked at:0xc0000000
frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
klimit: 0xc0320b20
MSR: 0x00003030
HID0: 0x8418c0bc

pmac_init(): exit
id_mach(): done
MMU:enter
MMU:hw init
hash:enter
hash:find piece
hash:patch
hash:done
MMU:mapin
MMU:setio
MMU:exit
setup_arch: enter
setup_arch: bootmem
arch: exit
openpic: enter
openpic: timer
openpic: external
openpic: spurious
openpic: exit

Any additional ideas?

Eric.

On 12/8/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> As per the subject: does Ubuntu work flawlessly with the Mac mini out
> of the box?
>
> The reason I ask...
>
> I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 (from a ShipIt disk) to a 5.2 GB
> partition (first partition on the drive) and it doesn't boot properly.
>
> It'll get to yaboot and go past a little bit but then the monitor goes
> dead and I see (and hear) no activity whatsoever from the CPU (if I
> listen really carefully and all other sources of noise are off I can
> hear the HD).
>
> This is a bog-standard install: 1.25 GHz, upgraded to 512 MB RAM, 40
> GB HD (partitioned 35 GB OS X 10.4 and 5.2 GB partition Ubuntu 5.10),
> 17" KDS Avitron VGA-connected monitor (capable of 1280x1024, 1152*864,
> 1024*768, 832*624, 800*600, 640*480 and a variety of non-standard
> sizes).
>
> The Mac mini booted fine with the Live CD.
>
> Any ideas? (yes, I realise I haven't provided much info... I don't
> *have* much info ;-).
>
> Eric.



From daniel.goldsmith at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 23:08:18 2005
From: daniel.goldsmith at gmail.com (Daniel Goldsmith)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:08:18 +0000
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b761cb050512081508t5aec50dpdd82c76388e60e3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Where's smbmount in breezy?
>
>
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
>
> It's in the package 'smbfs'

I'm open to being corrected, but that package isn't on the CD.

It is noted as being part of package 'samba' and is suggested by 'smbclient'

Fairly major omission!

Regards,

Daniel.



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Thu Dec  8 23:20:53 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:20:53 -0700
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com><37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
	<b761cb050512081508t5aec50dpdd82c76388e60e3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03a401c5fc4e$08bd75d0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> It is noted as being part of package 'samba' and is suggested by 
> 'smbclient'

> Fairly major omission!

> Regards,

> Daniel.

Yeah, I hear your pain! I noted a similar issue a while back 
(http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-November/057679.html). 
No responses to this, either. There is only so much that can be packed onto 
a CD.

Rob 




From john.nicholls at acslink.aone.net.au  Thu Dec  8 01:26:30 2005
From: john.nicholls at acslink.aone.net.au (John Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:26:30 +1100
Subject: Up-arrow error message in Breezy
Message-ID: <43978BC6.5020203@acslink.aone.net.au>

In Breezy pressing and releasing the up arrow key produces these errors 
in the system log:

Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Unknown key 
pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Use 
'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Unknown key 
released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Use 
'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.

The key works as it should but these error messages clutter up the 
syslog. The keyboard is a standard 104-key US English. This does not 
occur on the same computer with Warty or Hoary.

Any suggestions?
John




From hentaidan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 23:51:31 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:51:31 +0000
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <tomwell.1zqgdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20041203212853.GA17092@alcor.net>
	<neighborlee.1olfky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<neighborlee.1otutr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<mtron.1xvply@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<509d63b70511030650k73a0cde0rb8b93919163b5453@mail.gmail.com>
	<tomwell.1zqgdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512081551v6d5a76f6p@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Am using an HP psc 1210 and it works remarkably well!!! Better than in
> Windoze...

Do you / Did you have any problems printing in pure black?

For some reason Ubuntu insists on printing black using the colour
cartridge. I only realised when I ran out of ink, and my text turned
pink on the printout.

Dan
--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 00:07:30 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:07:30 -0500
Subject: Firefox 1.5 for Hoary?
In-Reply-To: <4398B82C.8010307@militant.dk>
References: <439842EB.3090807@gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080704w31099f68r95533393034c3e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<4398B82C.8010307@militant.dk>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512081607y679beec5i4877048895abbac0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Max Andersen <max at militant.dk> wrote:
> Darryl Clarke wrote:
>
> >Dapper still doesn't have 1.5 (it's at RC3) so once Dapper gets a
> >build, I'm sure it'll find it's way into breezy-backports and
> >hoary-backports... maybe.
> >
> >Time though, who knows.  Seeing as it doesn't apply to the security
> >release policy and it's just a "nice to have" update, it shows up when
> >it shows up. :)
> >
>
> Exactly. I can't see version 1.5 should be issued as a security update
> since a DoS might have been released yesterday.
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/73
>
> This is a more detailed test, but I haven't actually tested it myself:
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/newsbriefs/73/269/threaded#269

Man, that sucks. I tested it on a box with 1.5  It doesn't have an
effect right away, but after you restart firefox it causes it to be
really slow.

Basically, it makes firefox write a very, very long title to the url
in question making the history file huge.

But, this is a fine example as to why I can wait for 1.5(.1?) to show
up in the repos :)


--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 00:36:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:36:25 -0500
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com><20041203212853.GA17092@alcor.net><neighborlee.1olfky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><neighborlee.1otutr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><mtron.1xvply@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><509d63b70511030650k73a0cde0rb8b93919163b5453@mail.gmail.com><tomwell.1zqgdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<72f07f370512081551v6d5a76f6p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tomwell.1zqywn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Havent yet had a look but will remove colour cartridge and test printing
black tomorrow though am tired ( its 1:35 am)....

Peace 

Tom


-- 
tomwell



From bassix at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 00:48:59 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:48:59 -0500
Subject: Switching from Evolution to Thunderbird....
In-Reply-To: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4398D47B.5070201@gmail.com>

Charles Malespin wrote:
> BTW, what packages do I need to install to make a full Thunderbird
> install?
> Thanks,
> Charles

sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird

Or just select mozilla-thunderbird from the Synaptic menu.

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 01:21:36 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:21:36 -0500
Subject: Does Ubuntu 5.10 work "out of the box" every time with the Mac
	mini? Having problems booting a new install.
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512081459j49806f0dvc9737dd9e806eef3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512081459j49806f0dvc9737dd9e806eef3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512081721y447a2843o9404c962f97b59d7@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone suggest a way to experiment with passing screen resolutions
through yaboot to the kernel?

Thanks, Eric.

On 12/8/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I've tried changing the screen resolution before I reboot from
> OS X (down to 1024*768). No difference. I snapped a few pictures of
> the screen as it flashed by and this is what I get:
>
> I'm running yaboot 1.313
>
> device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0
>
> partition=3
>
> After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
> screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):
>
> Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc
>
> linked at:0xc0000000
> frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
> klimit: 0xc0320b20
> MSR: 0x00003030
> HID0: 0x8418c0bc
>
> pmac_init(): exit
> id_mach(): done
> MMU:enter
> MMU:hw init
> hash:enter
> hash:find piece
> hash:patch
> hash:done
> MMU:mapin
> MMU:setio
> MMU:exit
> setup_arch: enter
> setup_arch: bootmem
> arch: exit
> openpic: enter
> openpic: timer
> openpic: external
> openpic: spurious
> openpic: exit
>
> Any additional ideas?
>
> Eric.
>
> On 12/8/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > As per the subject: does Ubuntu work flawlessly with the Mac mini out
> > of the box?
> >
> > The reason I ask...
> >
> > I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 (from a ShipIt disk) to a 5.2 GB
> > partition (first partition on the drive) and it doesn't boot properly.
> >
> > It'll get to yaboot and go past a little bit but then the monitor goes
> > dead and I see (and hear) no activity whatsoever from the CPU (if I
> > listen really carefully and all other sources of noise are off I can
> > hear the HD).
> >
> > This is a bog-standard install: 1.25 GHz, upgraded to 512 MB RAM, 40
> > GB HD (partitioned 35 GB OS X 10.4 and 5.2 GB partition Ubuntu 5.10),
> > 17" KDS Avitron VGA-connected monitor (capable of 1280x1024, 1152*864,
> > 1024*768, 832*624, 800*600, 640*480 and a variety of non-standard
> > sizes).
> >
> > The Mac mini booted fine with the Live CD.
> >
> > Any ideas? (yes, I realise I haven't provided much info... I don't
> > *have* much info ;-).
> >
> > Eric.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 01:20:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:20:59 -0500
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>	<20051207140346.GG315@riva.ucam.org><Rovenhot.1zp2dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43977F7C.4050409@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Rovenhot.1zr1om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Nope, <opt> dosen't work either.  I also tried F8 and
Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete.  Nothing. :mad:



:o Would that fact that I'm using a wireless USB keyboard be of
relevance?  The keyboard often has issues near startup.  My mac might
not be recognizing my keystrokes.



EDIT: I'll try a standard USB keyboard once I get my hands on one.  It
would be too bad if my first copy of Ubuntu crapped out because it
isn't recognized.


-- 
Rovenhot



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 01:42:31 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:31 -0500
Subject: Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) and Mac mini after
	kernel loads
Message-ID: <77520bee0512081742i4cff9a61v8542a5d81db38f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I've got a bit of a funny problem (and thought I'd rename the thread).

I installed Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) onto my Mac mini (512 MB RAM, 40 GB
HD (5.2 GB Ubuntu, 35 GB Mac OS X), 1.25 GHz G4, _no_ additional
hardware).

The install process went fine. When the computer reboots I get the
normal two yaboot-related menus. Up to this point, no problems. When
Ubuntu continues booting past this point I get some text (which I'll
paste below) and then the screen goes to sleep (i.e. no signal coming
from the video card) and STAYS asleep.

Ubuntu apparently boots normally, because I can cause it to shutdown
(halt) or reboot by typing "blindly" (ctrl-alt-F1 followed by
username, password... wait a second then enter 'sudo halt' followed by
the password for sudo at which point the computer beeps angrily and
promptly restarts/shuts down).

How can I get video working? Do I need to reinstall or can I modify
yaboot using the live CD?

Anyone run into this problem on the Mac mini?

Thanks, Eric.

FYI Here's what's displayed on my screen before it goes "down for the count":

I'm running yaboot 1.313

device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0

partition=3

After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):

Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc

linked at:          0xc0000000
frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
klimit:               0xc0320b20
MSR:                0x00003030
HID0:                0x8418c0bc

pmac_init(): exit
id_mach(): done
MMU:enter
MMU:hw init
hash:enter
hash:find piece
hash:patch
hash:done
MMU:mapin
MMU:setio
MMU:exit
setup_arch: enter
setup_arch: bootmem
arch: exit
openpic: enter
openpic: timer
openpic: external
openpic: spurious
openpic: exit



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec  9 01:47:08 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:47:08 -0400
Subject: ping localhost
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <s94n63-gc8.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:

> Steve Vandegaer escreveu:
> 
>> Are you sure the driver is correctly installed?
>>
>> On 12/8/05, *'Forum Post* <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org
>> <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     no,
>>
>>     do you have a firewall running?
>>
> 
> I don't have a firewall runing.
> My adsl connection it's runing ok.
> That problem start happening when I dist-upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10.

ifconfig lo

-- 
derek




From lproven at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 02:59:24 2005
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:59:24 +0000
Subject: X died after upgrading 4.10
In-Reply-To: <43987873.4060806@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com>
	<43987873.4060806@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <575131af0512081859s2bd724q@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/12/05, Sam Tygier <samtygier at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> did you try
>
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

Thanks for the tip. I was trying to remember the syntax but I'd got it wrong.

That has worked, inasmuch as it's given me a working X server again,
but my Xinerama setup has gone - now the 2nd screen merely mirrors the
first.

However, it has allowed me to finish the upgrade. It's worked but it's
very messy now; GNOME boots with a series of errors, many about
"progman.icn" or something like that, and it's left my old 2.6.8
kernel in place, tho' init now complains. I can't even find a 2.6.11
kernel in synaptic's list of packages. How does one upgrade that part?

--
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 03:29:24 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:59:24 +0530
Subject: Emovix
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512081929w4016c61doeb8fea77b24c0cb1@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone tried creating an emovix cd to play their media files?I just
downloaded movix-maker2 from packages.ubuntu.com.I am using the breezy
livecd.I installed it with the dependencies also.Can anyone tell me the
procedure with cd-creator.Since I don`t have k3b.

Cheers
Vignesh
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 03:31:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:31:05 -0500
Subject: X died after upgrading 4.10
References: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com><43987873.4060806@yahoo.co.uk>
	<575131af0512081859s2bd724q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Joey.French.1zr78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you search for "linux-image"? That will give you a series of kernels
in Synaptic.


-- 
Joey French



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 04:01:25 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:01:25 +0000
Subject: how do you network two Ubuntu computers with a crossover cable?
In-Reply-To: <20051208123506.7f8eb3fa.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <22fe482e0512061037u71f20a1bl59c493d9237bd4b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070344l39aa86b9idbe602551978ec67@mail.gmail.com>
	<22fe482e0512070643s518e43d0v58cd25f7c2fc29ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb4429d10512070703v247783d3g906b825f2632d225@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051208123506.7f8eb3fa.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512082001i59ada403vd328d851b18e27d9@mail.gmail.com>

This works really nicely, especially since I can bookmark the sftp folders
and name the bookmarks whatever I want.

On 12/8/05, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> You can also use nautilus over ssh (i guess really sftp)
> Use "connect to server",  or type ssh://  in the location bar.
> Passwords can be stored in the gnome keyring - in fact IIRC you are
> prompted for this.
>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 04:43:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:43:19 -0500
Subject: Printing on a Printer connected to Windows-Host
References: <43981ECD.2010407@necroshine.de>
Message-ID: <Benchrest.1zraxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have done this successfully, but I am not using SAMBA. Do you have
SAMBA running?  I selected for network printer windows printer (SMB)
Don't see any other reason unless you have SAMBA running, and I don't
know if that would be a problem or not.


-- 
Benchrest



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec  9 05:03:25 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:03:25 +1100
Subject: Dial-up Configuration in Ubuntu ( was: ubuntu-users Digest etc)
In-Reply-To: <20051208181522.GA25038@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <s397fd8c.065@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<20051208181522.GA25038@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051209160325.935bea80.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:

> Now, if you use the System -> Administration -> Networking applet to
> dial up you will have to grant full admin privileges to users.  To me
> that's not a problem as I'm the only user on this box and I rarely use
> dial up anyway.  If that's a problem for you then fine, don't use it.

I'm inclined to the opinion that a dial-up applet requiring a password
for every use is kind of inappropriate in most use cases I can think of.
It seems like a rather paranoid default setting, given that these days
most people who use dialup regularly are likely to be home users, and
that simply being in the "dialout" and "dip" groups offers sufficient
security.

Surely businesses and others who require this level of security can
configure it if they wish? 

As you say, it's quite possible to use, say, pppconfig to configure
dial-up - but this is "hidden" to the ordinary user, who usually has the
instinct to use a graphical tool.

I've had to talk quite a few new users through this issue on IRC, and
I'm firmly of the view that dialup configuration needs to be simplified
in Ubuntu. Sadly it seems not to be a priority, which is odd given the
philosophy of Ubuntu to be accessible to ordinary humans :)

There are many people in many countries who use dialup - surely Ubuntu
can provide a simple and obvious method for them to connect to the
internet? Kppp is a pretty good model for the kind of thing needed. A
sequential druid/wizard would be even better.

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From djh3 at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  9 05:16:50 2005
From: djh3 at shaw.ca (David J. Hatter)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:16:50 -0800
Subject: Syncing iPod with gtkpod
Message-ID: <1134105410.17163.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am using gtkpod 0.88 and a 20 GB iPod photo.  When I try syncing to
add new songs to the iPod, it appears that songs are loading into the
iPod (e.g. spinning wheel on the iPod) but then I get a message that
there was an error opening iTunesDB in my home directory.  Why is gtkpod
looking for iTunesDB in my home directory rather than on the iPod?  Any
ideas how to get the songs loaded and recognized in the iPod?




From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec  9 05:54:38 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:54:38 +0100
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <dnb66u$3pu$1@sea.gmane.org>

Rafael Alexandre Schmitt schrieb am 08.12.2005 23:42:

> Hello ,
> 
> I don't have a firewall runing.
> My adsl connection it's runing ok.
> That problem start happening when I dist-upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10.
> 
> Rafael.
> 

Hi

a friend of mine had the same Problem, too.
ADSL and no lo.

The solution there was to overwrite the file /etc/network/interfaces
with the default one.

We had used the file a atched to solve the problem.
Make sure to make a backup of your own interfaces file bevor overwrite it.

HTH Thilo
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From ultron33 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 05:58:06 2005
From: ultron33 at gmail.com (Jeff Fuller)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:58:06 +1300
Subject: K7 Custom Kernel
Message-ID: <43991CEE.9030107@gmail.com>

Can anyone tell me if it is worth adding  a K7 Kernel ? and if it is 
what package from Synaptic do i need? I have updated my Duron 1.3 with 
Breezy distro so think i am running the latest Kernel.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 05:48:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:48:31 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <orev.1zrdpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


On every desktop....



Prefer Kubuntu from scratch (no ubuntu upgrade)





except one.


-- 
orev



From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec  9 05:57:31 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:57:31 +0100
Subject: Up-arrow error message in Breezy
In-Reply-To: <43978BC6.5020203@acslink.aone.net.au>
References: <43978BC6.5020203@acslink.aone.net.au>
Message-ID: <dnb6cb$3pu$2@sea.gmane.org>

John Nicholls schrieb am 08.12.2005 02:26:
> In Breezy pressing and releasing the up arrow key produces these errors
> in the system log:
> 
> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
> pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Use
> 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
> released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Use
> 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
> 
> The key works as it should but these error messages clutter up the
> syslog. The keyboard is a standard 104-key US English. This does not
> occur on the same computer with Warty or Hoary.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> John
> 
> 

sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove

This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.

bye Thilo




From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 06:52:44 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:52:44 +0100
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
In-Reply-To: <03a401c5fc4e$08bd75d0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>
	<b761cb050512081508t5aec50dpdd82c76388e60e3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<03a401c5fc4e$08bd75d0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512082252n35dfa049r355aa8ffd0266f4d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/9/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Yeah, I hear your pain! I noted a similar issue a while back

Another issue. You cannot save files from ANY application to a
Nautilus mounted SMB folder. In KDE it is very easy do to it with one
simple smb:/

Weird.



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 07:46:05 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:46:05 +0100
Subject: Trying to put a mount point in fstab
Message-ID: <bbda83370512082346i609da623o98fec3a00d8e8fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I tried to put this in fstab:

//katia/D       /mnt/katia      smbfs   rw,users,noauto,rw      1       1

but I'm not able to mount as normal user:

trap at acer:/mnt$ mount katia
Password:
smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
smbmnt failed: 1

what's wrong?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 07:50:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:50:08 -0500
Subject: cheap oem soft shipping //orldwide
References: <000001c5fcbd$4d8c8380$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LoclynGrey.1zrj9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Wtf?


-- 
LoclynGrey



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 07:42:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:42:12 -0500
Subject: proper rssh setup for SFTP access
References: <20051112142951.GB32524@chastell.shot.pl><1132032447.30443.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051115133302.GG32524@chastell.shot.pl>
Message-ID: <thnogueira.1zrj9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm having the same problem here. Does anyone figured out how to solve
it?


-- 
thnogueira



From alain.muls at telenet.be  Fri Dec  9 08:03:27 2005
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (alain.muls at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:03:27 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
Message-ID: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>


Hi,

I want to use Ubuntu as a server for document sharing and for subversion.

      * I want to do document sharing using iFolder, I suppose this is the way to go when I and my colleague want to share documents. I did not find a debian package for the iFolder server or the client, so I downloaded on the server the SimpleServer iFolder source code which I compiled. When starting the SimpleServer I encountered 2 problems: (a) running as normal user, I did not have permission to go into the /home/user/.local directory. This was easily solved by changing the ownership form root to user. But I asked the question, should I run this service as root or as user, and how to start at boot automagically this service?. (b) when launching the SimpleServer I now get the error that there is no port available. On what port does the simpleserver connect and how to enable this at boottime

      * subversion was installed using apt-get with no problem, but how do I configure it? I can only find info about doing this through Apache, but this is not the way I want it to be. I want subversion to keep its repositories in a file structure instead of the Berkeley DB and I want to use this service without Apache.

I did google around but I cannot find the documentation or howto. 

Tx for any help

Best regards,


Alain Muls                                                                                           Royal Military Academy
+32.2.737.6340 (Srt 6341)                                                                Renaissance Avenue 30
alain.muls at telenet.be                                                                       B1000 Brussels (Belgium)





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 08:12:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:12:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<orev.1zrdpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <esperantisto.1zrk7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I doubt that I'll give up Windows in the foresseable future. Ubuntu and
other Linuxes still are bad for certain areas. My concern is
translation work &#8212; I've said something there:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99727. Besides, Linux
generally is just very bad about different alphabets/scripts and
encodings. Windows of the NT family are Unicode-based &#8212; that
means, that I can have files with names in Belarusan, Chinese, German,
Japanese, Turkish, Russian and Ukrainian on my disk &#8212; that's what
I really have. With Linux, it's highly problematic: even filenames in
one language (say, Russian) may be unreadable on different machines
because of differents encodings (Russian Linuxes, in particular, can
use KOI-8, ISO Cyrillic or Windows CP-1251).



As far as I understand, however, Ubuntu uses UTF-8 &#8212; I hope, this
will work.


-- 
esperantisto



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 08:03:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:03:05 -0500
Subject: cheap oem soft shipping //orldwide
References: <000001c5fcbd$4d8c8380$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <Rinzwind.1zrk7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


WTF indeed.



Nothing beats free software when it comes to pricing :)

Go Ubuntu!

Go kUbuntu!

Go xUbuntu!

Go Edubuntu!


-- 
Rinzwind



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Fri Dec  9 08:37:42 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:37:42 +0000
Subject: Dial-up Configuration in Ubuntu ( was: ubuntu-users Digest etc)
In-Reply-To: <20051209160325.935bea80.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <s397fd8c.065@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<20051208181522.GA25038@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051209160325.935bea80.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051209083742.GA10462@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:03:25PM +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000
> David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
> 
> > Now, if you use the System -> Administration -> Networking applet to
> > dial up you will have to grant full admin privileges to users.  To me
> > that's not a problem as I'm the only user on this box and I rarely use
> > dial up anyway.  If that's a problem for you then fine, don't use it.
> 
> I'm inclined to the opinion that a dial-up applet requiring a password
> for every use is kind of inappropriate in most use cases I can think of.
> It seems like a rather paranoid default setting, given that these days
> most people who use dialup regularly are likely to be home users, and
> that simply being in the "dialout" and "dip" groups offers sufficient
> security.

If it were simply a dial-up applet I would agree with you but it isn't,
it's the main network config applet.  IIRC, it didn't even have the
facility to configure a dial-up link until the release of Hoary (I used
pppconfig/pon/poff on Warty and may not have noticed). 

[snip]
> I've had to talk quite a few new users through this issue on IRC, and
> I'm firmly of the view that dialup configuration needs to be simplified
> in Ubuntu. Sadly it seems not to be a priority, which is odd given the
> philosophy of Ubuntu to be accessible to ordinary humans :)
> 
> There are many people in many countries who use dialup - surely Ubuntu
> can provide a simple and obvious method for them to connect to the
> internet? Kppp is a pretty good model for the kind of thing needed. A
> sequential druid/wizard would be even better.

Yes, I'm surprised that there isn't a more prominent dial-up applet
available.  I realise that I'm relatively fortunate to have ADSL (and
to have clean water to drink) and that dial-up is the only option in
many places in the world.

But I was arguing with the OPs repeated assertion that it was a
'huge security flaw' to require the root password to connect (when
it had been pointed out both that it wasn't the root password and
that there are many other tools available that don't require this).

If, as I suspect was the case, the OP was giving his grand-daughter
his own user password to connect to the net he is making security
problems for himself.  Why didn't she have an account of her own
or a guest account?  I generally won't leave anyone alone logged in
on my account, especially a young child who only needs to play with
Nautilus to do quite a bit of damage to my personal files that may
not be noticed for some time.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec  9 08:42:03 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:42:03 -0800
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <esperantisto.1zrk7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<orev.1zrdpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<esperantisto.1zrk7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134117723.19007.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 03:12 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> I doubt that I'll give up Windows in the foresseable future. Ubuntu and
> other Linuxes still are bad for certain areas. My concern is
> translation work &#8212; I've said something there:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99727. Besides, Linux
> generally is just very bad about different alphabets/scripts and
> encodings. Windows of the NT family are Unicode-based &#8212; that
> means, that I can have files with names in Belarusan, Chinese, German,
> Japanese, Turkish, Russian and Ukrainian on my disk &#8212; that's what
> I really have. With Linux, it's highly problematic: even filenames in
> one language (say, Russian) may be unreadable on different machines
> because of differents encodings (Russian Linuxes, in particular, can
> use KOI-8, ISO Cyrillic or Windows CP-1251).
> 
> 
> 
> As far as I understand, however, Ubuntu uses UTF-8 &#8212; I hope, this
> will work.
> 
> 
> -- 
> esperantisto
> 

I think you are a windows sweetie  trying to make probles..


Kisses to YOU!!

Hehe



Vram






From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Fri Dec  9 08:41:10 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:41:10 +0200
Subject: Configuring Dial-up
Message-ID: <s3995f23.040@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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David,

Thank you for your patience with a real Linux beginner. I still have a long way to go on the security aspects.

I will be dedicating a large part of this weekend in trying to get my dial up connection to work the way I would like it to. At the moment I am stuck with the System -> Administration -> Networking applet because it is the only one that I can get to work. pppconfig and pon does indeed dial up but Firefox does not recognise the connection. Gnome-ppp does not see my modem at all. The need for a password is (at the moment) more of an irritation than a problem, but the speed of the connection is a real problem.

Bill

>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 08 December 2005 >>>
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000
From: David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>but mistakes are easy to make!)

Please re-read what I wrote in my earlier post.

By default, root is disabled on Ubuntu.  When you need to perform tasks
that ask for a password it asks for your _user_ password, not root.
If the user has sufficient privileges the user will be allowed to
perform the task.
 etc

David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 09:39:33 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:39:33 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <BoyOfDestiny.1zrnwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


DC Parris Wrote: 
> This is something of a quick straw poll.  I'd like to know how many
> people

> have actually replaced Windows with Ubuntu Linux.  If you have not

> replaced Windows altogether (i.e., you're still dual-booting), there's
> no

> need to respond.  I'm really only interested in hearing from those who

> have completely replaced Windows.

> 

> Thanks in advance for your time.

> Don

> -- 

> DC Parris     Libre Software Advocate

> http://matheteuo.org/

> "Hey man, whatever pickles your list!"

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Yes it has. 



Laptop has Ubuntu Breezy x86  

Desktop has Ubuntu Breezy amd64.

:p


-- 
BoyOfDestiny



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 10:10:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:10:36 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><orev.1zrdpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><esperantisto.1zrk7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134117723.19007.271.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <esperantisto.1zrpra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Vram Wrote: 
> I think you are a windows sweetie  trying to make probles..



Did you mean &#8220;probes&#8221; or &#8220;problems&#8221;? :smile: 



No, I don't try either. I'd rather say, I'm in search of tools best
suited to my day-to-day tasks. So far, Windows is better, but it's not
perfect. Considering the pace of development of Linux and Ubuntu in
particular, I find a great potential there &#8212; and keep an eye ;)


-- 
esperantisto



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Fri Dec  9 10:19:59 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:19:59 +0000
Subject: Configuring Dial-up
In-Reply-To: <s3995f23.040@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3995f23.040@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051209101959.GA8440@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:41:10AM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your patience with a real Linux beginner. I still have a long way to go on the security aspects.
 
No problem.  I hope I haven't come across as arrogant or patronising.
It's easy to forget what it's like for a newcomer to Linux and at the
same time I don't want to talk down to anyone.

> I will be dedicating a large part of this weekend in trying to get my dial up connection to work the way I would like it to. At the moment I am stuck with the System -> Administration -> Networking applet because it is the only one that I can get to work. pppconfig and pon does indeed dial up but Firefox does not recognise the connection. Gnome-ppp does not see my modem at all. The need for a password is (at the moment) more of an irritation than a problem, but the speed of the connection is a real problem.

I think your problem with pppconfig is that the default route isn't
being set (as I think you mentioned elsewhere).  It's easy to check with
a 'route -n'.  Here's the output on my laptop:

 Kernel IP routing table
 Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
 192.168.98.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
 0.0.0.0         192.168.98.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth1

The last line is the default route.  0.0.0.0 means 'anywhere else',
192.168.98.1 is my ADSL router (the gateway) and the eth1 is my wireless
network card.

On a dial-up connection you should see something similar with the
gateway being the box at the ISP end of your PPP conection and the
Iface ppp0.

If you don't have a default just go through pppconfig again remembering
to select the defaultroute option and you should be away.

As for the speed when you go through the Network app I don't know.
You could try typing 'pppstats -w 1' into a terminal (you may need to
put sudo at the beginning of that) to check what sort of throughput
you are getting.

I've had a quick look through the archives again and I agree with
another poster that there isn't much available for dial-up in Ubuntu
(I seem to remember loads available in Debian/Gentoo - where's it
all gone?)

I only found two wrapper apps to go around pon/poff.  One bbppp I used
for a long time when fluxbox was my window manager, but it's not much
use with Gnome.  The other is gpppon which looks very basic but may do
the trick to avoid opening a terminal for pon/poff.

I've been looking for something to put back into the community (and
get my programming skills back up to speed) so (when I get myself back
into work, which takes priority at the moment) I may have a look at
doing something about it.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From heliotopik at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec  9 10:32:53 2005
From: heliotopik at wanadoo.fr (D.Personne)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:53 +0400
Subject: K7 Custom Kernel
In-Reply-To: <43991CEE.9030107@gmail.com>
References: <43991CEE.9030107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134124373.8833.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 18:58 +1300, Jeff Fuller a écrit :
> Can anyone tell me if it is worth adding  a K7 Kernel ? and if it is 
> what package from Synaptic do i need? I have updated my Duron 1.3 with 
> Breezy distro so think i am running the latest Kernel.
> 

Don't bother about the kernel. I tried a K7 kernel some weeks ago, I saw
no differences (Athlon XP).I'm running the kernel 2.6.12-10-386 and it's
OK.





From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Fri Dec  9 10:43:23 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:43:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: GRUB > and GRUB-install
In-Reply-To: <Hobbes.1zqqkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <23962.213.237.42.134.1134075148.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<Hobbes.1zqqkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <25339.213.237.42.134.1134125003.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

Thanks for your reply!
>
>>From what I understand you installed each OS on its own hard drive.
That is right!

> wellmt Wrote:
...>
>> 1. Setup Windows on your primary hard drive as normal (if not already
>> done)
 I did that.

>> 2. Take out the Windows hard drive and set it as slave using jumpers
>> and put back in to PC
I tried that - but after setting Windows as slave - the windows-drive
cannot even get mounted.

>
>> 3. Set your other drive to primary using Jumpers. Put into PC and
>> install Ubuntu on it. Install GRUB as normal to the MBR of the linux
>> drive.
It is a Sata drive, so I cannot set the jumber as something else.

>
>> 4. Ubuntu will detect your Windows drive and add it to the boot menu -
Yes it did.

>> but the menu entry won't work as Windows expects to be the primary
>> drive. It's easy to fix through, all you do is change the grub menu
>> entry for windows.
>
As you see - that is what I tried.

I think my basic problem is I cannot connect to the windows-drive
/dev/hda1 with or without the Ubuntu drive present:
After installing GRUB I cannot even boot the Windows-drive leaving the
"error message" GRUB

Can I put in a bootloader in the windows drive so I can startup the windows?
Can I delete the /dev/hda1 MBR area so only the /dev/sda1 MBR is used and
boot both drives?



>> $sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
Any changes here that point to the windows-drive leaves the same freeze
with the error message:
GRUB

I'll appreceate further suggestions!

Best regards

Phillip



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:48:13 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:48:13 -0500
Subject: Trying to put a mount point in fstab
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512082346i609da623o98fec3a00d8e8fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512082346i609da623o98fec3a00d8e8fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051209104813.GC29758@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Luca Manganelli" on Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 02:46:05AM EST>

> Hi, I tried to put this in fstab:
> 
> //katia/D       /mnt/katia      smbfs   rw,users,noauto,rw      1       1
> 
> but I'm not able to mount as normal user:
> 
> trap at acer:/mnt$ mount katia
> Password:
> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
> smbmnt failed: 1
> 
> what's wrong?

The problem is that in order to mount smb volumes, the mount command runs a
the command /usr/bin/smbmount which in turn runs the command
/usr/bin/smbmnt. The command smbmnt needs root permissions in order to run.
To get mount to run with root permissions, use sudo:
    sudo mount /mnt/katia

You may want to add the volume in /etc/fstab this way:
    //katia/D   /mnt/katia  smbfs   rw,users,noauto,rw,uid=1000 1   1

The uid=1000 makes everything in that volume owned by the user with the uid
1000 instead of root.

If you want the volume to show up on the desktop and in the Gnome Places
menu, set the mountpoint to /media/katia in /etc/fstab. That way you will be
able to unmount from nautilus simply by right-clicking the volume and
selecting "Unmount".

Seth




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 11:00:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:00:32 -0500
Subject: K7 Custom Kernel
References: <43991CEE.9030107@gmail.com>
	<1134124373.8833.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <frodon.1zrsja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I use the K7 kernel and never add any issues changing my kernel. But
endeed in most of the cases you won't gain a lot of speed.


-- 
frodon



From scott at ubuntu.com  Fri Dec  9 11:58:03 2005
From: scott at ubuntu.com (Scott James Remnant)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:58:03 +0000
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual
	machine	of	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134062565.19066.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134052547.8106.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134054119.6364.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134062565.19066.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134129483.6364.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 12:22 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 15:01 +0000, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:35 -0500, matthew nicholson wrote:
> > > +log_begin_msg Waiting for root file system
> > > /scripts/init-premount/udev: 122: log_begin_msg: not found
> > > ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist Dropping to a shell!
> > > 
> > Oops, that one's my bad.
> 
> You mean that's a bug in initramfs, not the kernel?
> 
Well, the log_begin_msg not found bit is a bug in the initramfs which
I've now fixed.  That's causing the udev script to abort without
waiting ... the easiest way to find out if this is actually the bug
itself:

1) let it drop to a shell
2) wait for a bit
3) does /dev/sda1 exist now?

If it does, the fixed udev will have already fixed it; if it doesn't
exist, then there's still a bug in the kernel.

Scott
-- 
Scott James Remnant
scott at ubuntu.com
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From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 12:00:53 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:00:53 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
In-Reply-To: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
References: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, alain.muls at telenet.be <alain.muls at telenet.be> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to use Ubuntu as a server for document sharing and for subversion.
>
>       * I want to do document sharing using iFolder, I suppose this is the way to go when I and my colleague want to share documents. I did not find a debian package for the iFolder server or the client, so I downloaded on the server the SimpleServer iFolder source code which I compiled. When starting the SimpleServer I encountered 2 problems: (a) running as normal user, I did not have permission to go into the /home/user/.local directory. This was easily solved by changing the ownership form root to user. But I asked the question, should I run this service as root or as user, and how to start at boot automagically this service?. (b) when launching the SimpleServer I now get the error that there is no port available. On what port does the simpleserver connect and how to enable this at boottime
>
>       * subversion was installed using apt-get with no problem, but how do I configure it? I can only find info about doing this through Apache, but this is not the way I want it to be. I want subversion to keep its repositories in a file structure instead of the Berkeley DB and I want to use this service without Apache.

subversion works using Berkeley DB for the files. There *isn't*
another option. (Or, rather, i think you can use another database
backend.) Maybe you just want to rsync the files?


-Eamonn



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 12:27:50 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:27:50 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512090427q75553099i@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:

> subversion works using Berkeley DB for the files. There *isn't*
> another option.

There has been for over a year (and it's now the default).


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 12:42:49 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:42:49 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512090427q75553099i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512090427q75553099i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512090442uee5847n@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/12/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > subversion works using Berkeley DB for the files. There *isn't*
> > another option.
>
> There has been for over a year (and it's now the default).

I know. What I was replying to was the desire to keep the repository
in a "file structure." I'm not sure exactly what he means. Subversion
uses a database backend, which varies by version.

-Eamonn



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Fri Dec  9 13:05:06 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:05:06 -0200
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <dnb66u$3pu$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>
	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br> <dnb66u$3pu$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051209130506.GA7610@ubuntu>

* Thilo Six (T.Six at gmx.de) wrote:
> Hi
> 
> a friend of mine had the same Problem, too.
> ADSL and no lo.
> 
> The solution there was to overwrite the file /etc/network/interfaces
> with the default one.
> 
> We had used the file a atched to solve the problem.
> Make sure to make a backup of your own interfaces file bevor overwrite it.
> 
> HTH Thilo

Thanks a lot Thilo.
That works.

--
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 13:18:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:18:23 -0500
Subject: Photoshop, Windows, Office
References: <000001c5fce4$9dcb0c00$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <tomski.1zry3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


if these are illegal i would watch out !!!
you cant go touting these products anywere

if these are legal then who is your supplier


-- 
tomski



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 13:57:23 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:57:23 +0000
Subject: icon question...
In-Reply-To: <1134057831.20808.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133997804.24168.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439852BF.1000707@gmail.com>
	<1134057831.20808.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43998D43.5010508@gmail.com>

Charles Malespin wrote:
>>I think you should try using a different icon set. I am using "Dropline 
>>Neu" icon set from .... I don't exactly remember. If you google for it 
>>you should be able to find it.
>>
> 
> 
> I tried your icon set, and for some reason it doesnt matter which icon
> set I use.  the gaim and alltray icons do not change and are just set
> with that gray border around them..   Is there a way to use a gaim
> shortcut or something like that so I Can change the icon for it and have
> it follow the transparent panel?
> 
> 
>>-- 
>>Regards,
>>  - Saru

Sorry my bad. I see what you mean now. In my system Azureus, GAIM and 
SCIM-gtk-applets have gray background.

No matter what icon set you choose the icon in the system tray/all tray 
is drawn by the application. So if it draws it with the background fill 
then that's how its gona be. I cant think of any way other than 
modifying source and recompiling.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From skwilliams at mcphersons.com  Fri Dec  9 14:54:59 2005
From: skwilliams at mcphersons.com (Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons))
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:54:59 -0600
Subject: Internet Problem
Message-ID: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>

I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN.  The NIC is working
properly.  The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address, Subnet mask,
Gateway, etc.).  I'm using a static IP with TCP/IP.  I'm able to ping my
router and other machines on the network, but I can't connect to the
Internet.

 

Any ideas??

Steve Williamson 
skwilliams at mcphersons.com 

 

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From markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 15:00:05 2005
From: markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com (Markus Mitterhofer)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:00:05 +0100
Subject: Faxmodem software
In-Reply-To: <foolosophy.1zqopy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <adbefcbf050907115934cea17c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7124aab10512080610m5a5186a5h@mail.gmail.com>
	<foolosophy.1zqopy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <7124aab10512090700k68feb7cbu@mail.gmail.com>

> I have installed efax and seems to work fine for receiving faxes. But
> when I try to use the "standby" mode, it hangs up.


I'm not sure if I can help you with this error. I had to use 'Modem Class:
Class 1' for
my modem in order to receive faxes correctly. Mine is a  U.S. Robotics 56K
Voice EXT.

I have one of those USR Message modems you mention as well, but I have to
tell you that it won't
work very well with Ubuntu (or any other Linux ditsro I've tried). The best
program I've found is
tkusr (universe)
http://ldrolez.free.fr/software/tkusr/

I can manage the modem and see the messages, but it has some problems to
display or
print faxes. I have never used the voice function of the Message Modem so I
can't tell
you anything about that.

Markus
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From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec  9 15:06:13 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:06:13 +0100
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
Message-ID: <20051209160613.7b32272c.albi@scii.nl>

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:54:59 -0600
"Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons)" <skwilliams at mcphersons.com> wrote:

> I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN.  The NIC is
> working properly.  The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address,
> Subnet mask, Gateway, etc.).  I'm using a static IP with TCP/IP.  I'm
> able to ping my router and other machines on the network, but I can't
> connect to the Internet.

sounds like a DNS-problem,

try pinging an ip-address on the internet (e.g. 194.109.9.99), and
check your nameserver-settings in /etc/resolv.conf

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From hometoast at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 15:18:35 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:18:35 -0500
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512090718j207a103dxf5a94f8441beeb9c@mail.gmail.com>

what is the contents of /etc/resolv.conf?  sounds like no DNS servers were
defined.
set them like this  example <http://ka1fsb.home.att.net/resolve.html> (
http://ka1fsb.home.att.net/resolve.html)

On 12/9/05, Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons) <skwilliams at mcphersons.com>
wrote:
>
>  I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN.  The NIC is working
> properly.  The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address, Subnet mask,
> Gateway, etc.).  I'm using a static IP with TCP/IP.  I'm able to ping my
> router and other machines on the network, but I can't connect to the
> Internet.
>
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Steve Williamson
> skwilliams at mcphersons.com
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 15:22:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:22:01 -0500
Subject: Nightmare printing to Windows printers
References: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>
	<1133884683.13514.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<satyam.1zph7b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <fast.orange.1zs4km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


to get the cups login screen working, type "smbpasswd -a username" in
the terminal, where username is the same as your current account.  now
the username and password should be the same as your account.


-- 
fast orange



From frans at samganvendel.nl  Fri Dec  9 15:55:35 2005
From: frans at samganvendel.nl (frans bos)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:55:35 +0100
Subject: festival
Message-ID: <4399A8F7.2060603@samganvendel.nl>

I want to extend my Festival installation in Ubuntu 5.10. with a Dutch 
speaking unit. Now I need to recompile the whole set of Festival files. 
There is only one problem Is there somebody who knows how Festival is 
configured. It is done in a "Ubuntu Debian" style and for this I need 
the config and probely the source files.

Can somebody help me.

Frans Bos



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 15:53:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:53:06 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I know this is on the wrong thread but I was wondering if either of you
have installed kubuntu on a similar configuration. I also have the
compaq r4000 with the amd64 4000+ and I am able to get the initial boot
screen but when it finishes it's initial check it just goes to a black
screen and freezes there. I was thinking of just installing ubuntu and
then installing KDE afterwards if I can't get it to work with just
installing Kubuntu. Thanks guys.


-- 
zenlakin



From frans.bos at inter.nl.net  Fri Dec  9 16:07:02 2005
From: frans.bos at inter.nl.net (frans bos)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:07:02 +0100
Subject: festival installation
Message-ID: <4399ABA6.5000502@inter.nl.net>

I want to extend my Festival installation in Ubuntu 5.10. with a Dutch 
speaking unit. Now I need to recompile the whole set of Festival files. 
There is only one problem Is there somebody who knows how Festival is 
configured. It is done in a "Ubuntu Debian" style and for this I need 
the config and probely the source files.

Can somebody help me.

Frans Bos




From dave at mudsite.com  Fri Dec  9 16:09:42 2005
From: dave at mudsite.com (David Walker)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:09:42 -0500
Subject: DAAP playback
Message-ID: <4399AC46.3080609@mudsite.com>

I have set up on my ubuntu box mt-daapd and have it configured to 
broadcast my music folder for my mactop to use iTunes to get it.  
Simple, and it works very well with a proxy to remove the limitation of 
Bonjour/Rendezvous to my machine from where ever I am.

My next question.  Are there any media players for Ubuntu/*nix that are 
able to utilize daap, and play music from a daap share?

Thanks in advance.

--
dave



From lproven at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 16:47:00 2005
From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:47:00 +0000
Subject: X died after upgrading 4.10
In-Reply-To: <Joey.French.1zr78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <575131af0512080951t154f1a35y@mail.gmail.com>
	<43987873.4060806@yahoo.co.uk>
	<575131af0512081859s2bd724q@mail.gmail.com>
	<Joey.French.1zr78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <575131af0512090847l7f42e29fy@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Did you search for "linux-image"? That will give you a series of kernels
> in Synaptic.

Ah, right. No, I was searching for variants on the word "kernel". Silly me.

I will try that. Thanks!

--
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From runlevel7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 16:57:46 2005
From: runlevel7 at gmail.com (Al Gordon)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:57:46 -0500
Subject: Kickstart status, and maybe some help?
Message-ID: <dddb23ef0512090857t79e2efe5r7e9bcd285aee1b74@mail.gmail.com>

Where can I find details as to the current state of Kickstart under
Ubuntu?  Hopefully there's more information (or more updated
information) than what's available in the wiki.  I'll gladly update
the wiki if I know that I have recent info.  :)

Specifically:  I'm in the process of setting up a training room to
kickstart a dozen student PCs with Ubuntu 5.10 via a server running
Ubuntu 5.10.  I'm booting the workstations with an Ubuntu 5.10 Install
CD, and it finds the ks.cfg via http when I type "linux
ks=http://192.168.4.2/kickstart/ks.cfg".  The install begins, but it's
happening via the Ubuntu Install CD on the client workstation rather
than the install path provided in my ks.config file
(http://192.168.4.2/kickstart/, which is the root of the Ubuntu
Install CD that I copied to the install server's hard drive).  Perhaps
I have the wrong path specified in ks.cfg?  Or, maybe I need to boot
from a CD other than the Ubuntu Install CD.  (Btw, these systems do
not have floppy drives.)

Although the install media that is being used is the local CD rather
than the specified http path, kickstart does seem to work in some ways
(running my %pre script: hdparm -d1 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, and
partitioning the client hard drive and creating a default user) but
fails in other ways (not installing packages other than ubuntu-desktop
or running my %post commands).

Any ideas where I may be going wrong here?  This is the first time
I've done anything with kickstart, and I find that the documentation
is vague at best, in many ways.

Thanks in advance for any help, and thanks to Colin and/or others who
have gotten Ubuntu kickstart working at least to the point that it's
at now.  :)

--

  -- AL --



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 16:58:37 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:28:37 +0530
Subject: LaunchPad
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to help in the Development of Kubuntu/Ubuntu..I have an
Launchpad account.I knwo basic programming.Is there anything I need to Know
or read any manuals before that?

Cheers
Vignesh
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From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Fri Dec  9 17:19:10 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:19:10 +0100
Subject: Switching from Evolution to Thunderbird....
In-Reply-To: <4398B825.2070506@uol.com.br>
References: <1134069140.20808.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4398B825.2070506@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <1134148750.5054.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 20:48 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> Just copy your email files to thunderbird directory and your emails
> will be all there 
> next time you run thunderbird. 

However, contacts, tasks, etc. are another matter altogether. For the
original poster:
http://www.google.com/search?q=evolution+thunderbird+migrate




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 17:13:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:13:49 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com> <djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<cilynx.1zpefa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<wangxiaohu.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <cilynx.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


djkork, while you're at it, I'd appreciate it if you would compile in
sata support.  Or if you know an easy way to load up modules before /
is mounted, that'll work too....



The machine boots off the boot sector of an IDE hda.  Linux lives on
sda1, sata drive.


-- 
cilynx



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 17:00:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:00:56 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com> <djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<cilynx.1zpefa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <wangxiaohu.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


cilynx Wrote: 
> As advertised, kernels now available for download 'here'
> (http://www.wolfteck.com/clockmod).



Can you also compile madwifi driver against your kernel config? My P4
laptop need madwifi driver to get on wireless network.



Many thanks!


-- 
wangxiaohu



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 17:20:43 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:20:43 -0500
Subject: LaunchPad
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134148843.12889.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Well the best way is to start helping with MOTU. Join the IRC Channel
#ubuntu-motu and also read over 

wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU

Also checkout 
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate

Also knowing how to package would be a plus. Read over the Debian New
Maintainers Guide

~ Chris "Kyral" Peterman

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 22:28 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> I would like to help in the Development of Kubuntu/Ubuntu..I have an
> Launchpad account.I knwo basic programming.Is there anything I need to
> Know or read any manuals before that?
> 
> Cheers
> Vignesh
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From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Fri Dec  9 17:26:54 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (matt nicholson)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:26:54 -0500
Subject: DAAP playback
In-Reply-To: <4399AC46.3080609@mudsite.com>
References: <4399AC46.3080609@mudsite.com>
Message-ID: <bcfaf2437e7d82534774367c3b31d0d9@sjoeboo.com>

rhythmbox can, but only in newer versions and you have to specify at 
compile time cause its experimental.
On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:09 AM, David Walker wrote:

> I have set up on my ubuntu box mt-daapd and have it configured to 
> broadcast my music folder for my mactop to use iTunes to get it.  
> Simple, and it works very well with a proxy to remove the limitation 
> of Bonjour/Rendezvous to my machine from where ever I am.
>
> My next question.  Are there any media players for Ubuntu/*nix that 
> are able to utilize daap, and play music from a daap share?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> dave
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 17:44:43 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:44:43 +0000
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
In-Reply-To: <wangxiaohu.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com>
	<djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zpefa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<wangxiaohu.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <4399C28B.1020808@gmail.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> cilynx Wrote: 
> 
>>As advertised, kernels now available for download 'here'
>>(http://www.wolfteck.com/clockmod).
 >
> Can you also compile madwifi driver against your kernel config? My P4
> laptop need madwifi driver to get on wireless network.
> 
> Many thanks!
> 

My WiFi didn't work at first. When I looked at 'dmesg' I noticed that 
hotplug was looking for firmware with the kernel version suffix. Before 
I had 2.6.10 kernel and it used atmel_at76c502e.bin-2.6.12-10-386.

So, to use the new kernel I just created a symlink to the afore 
mentioned file and called it 'atmel_at76c502e.bin-2.6.12.p4-no-n60'. May 
be you can do something like that. The kernel was patched and not 
modified in any other way, so you drivers should work if it was compiled 
as a module.(Someone correct if I am wrong)

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 17:57:30 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:57:30 +0200
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
Message-ID: <1134151051.9577.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 08:54 -0600, Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons)
wrote:
> I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN.  The NIC is
> working properly.  The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address, Subnet
> mask, Gateway, etc.).  I’m using a static IP with TCP/IP.  I’m able to
> ping my router and other machines on the network, but I can’t connect
> to the Internet.
> 
>  
> 
Probably you haven't configured DNS. You can try putting in your
gateway's ip address as a DNS server. If that doesn't work (it should)
find out the address of your ISP's DNS server and put that in.
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 17:47:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:47:32 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can use this generic and crappy looking VESA setup, which I use to
rescue my R4000.  Place this into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run
/etc/init.d/kdm restart.



You may need sudo to make the changes.



Then you'lll neet to go to ATI and get the Proprietary Driver.




PHP code:
--------------------
    # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)

  

  #

  

  # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using

  

  # values from the debconf database.

  

  #

  

  # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.

  

  # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)

  

  #

  

  # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*

  

  # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg

  

  # package.

  

  #

  

  # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated

  

  # again, run the following command:

  

  # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

  

  Section "Files"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"

  

  FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"

  

  # paths to defoma fonts

  

  FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"

  

  FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "Module"

  

  Load "GLcore"

  

  Load "bitmap"

  

  Load "ddc"

  

  Load "dri"

  

  Load "extmod"

  

  Load "freetype"

  

  Load "glx"

  

  Load "int10"

  

  Load "type1"

  

  Load "vbe"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  

  Identifier "Generic Keyboard"

  

  Driver "kbd"

  

  Option "CoreKeyboard"

  

  Option "XkbRules" "xorg"

  

  Option "XkbModel" "pc104"

  

  Option "XkbLayout" "us"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  

  Identifier "Configured Mouse"

  

  Driver "mouse"

  

  Option "CorePointer"

  

  Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"

  

  Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"

  

  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"

  

  Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  

  Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad"

  

  Driver "synaptics"

  

  Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"

  

  Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"

  

  Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"

  

  Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "Device"

  

  Identifier "Generic Video Card"

  

  Driver "vesa"

  

  BusID "PCI:1:5:0"

  

  VideoRam 128000

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "Monitor"

  

  Identifier "Generic Monitor"

  

  Option "DPMS"

  

  HorizSync 28-50

  

  VertRefresh 43-75

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "Screen"

  

  Identifier "Default Screen"

  

  Device "Generic Video Card"

  

  Monitor "Generic Monitor"

  

  DefaultDepth 24

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 1

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 4

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 8

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 15

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 16

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  SubSection "Display"

  

  Depth 24

  

  Modes "1024x768"

  

  EndSubSection

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "ServerLayout"

  

  Identifier "Default Layout"

  

  Screen "Default Screen"

  

  InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"

  

  InputDevice "Configured Mouse"

  

  InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"

  

  EndSection

  

  Section "DRI"

  

  Mode 0666

  

  EndSection
--------------------


-- 
azcrumpty



From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec  9 18:01:04 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:01:04 +0100
Subject: ping localhost
In-Reply-To: <20051209130506.GA7610@ubuntu>
References: <4398922B.1090401@uol.com.br>	<earobinson.1zqnsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<426905810512081349i604dc940re2a7664a9b945d5c@mail.gmail.com>	<4398B6DB.6030205@uol.com.br>
	<dnb66u$3pu$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051209130506.GA7610@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <dncgp0$tg$1@sea.gmane.org>

Rafael Alexandre Schmitt schrieb am 09.12.2005 14:05:

> Thanks a lot Thilo.
> That works.
> 
> --
> Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
> Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil

You are welcome.  :D

chao Thilo




From revant.one at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 18:10:59 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:40:59 +0530
Subject: What is Gnubuntu?
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512091010w5b6cf0aeo360d8100de728e86@mail.gmail.com>

Is it based on gnu mach? Is it completely Gnu OS in that manner?
or is it Gnu/Linux for Human Beings?


Revant
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From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec  9 18:14:40 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:14:40 +0100
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <1134151051.9577.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
	<1134151051.9577.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051209191440.8c6d3fac.albi@scii.nl>

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:57:30 +0200
Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 08:54 -0600, Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons)
> wrote:
> > I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN.  The NIC is
> > working properly.  The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address,
> > Subnet mask, Gateway, etc.).  I’m using a static IP with TCP/IP.
> > I’m able to ping my router and other machines on the network, but I
> > can’t connect to the Internet.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> Probably you haven't configured DNS. You can try putting in your
> gateway's ip address as a DNS server. If that doesn't work (it should)

no, it shouldn't necessarily, having a machine acting as a gateway does
not mean that it always is running a DNS-server too

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 18:25:09 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:25:09 -0300
Subject: LaunchPad
In-Reply-To: <1134148843.12889.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134148843.12889.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <720dc91f0512091025r201bc546m76d38e45ac4ea02d@mail.gmail.com>

<SNIP>

also, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/149-Ubuntus-MOTU-School-Packaging-without-debhelper-andor-CDBS.html

--
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.

"Hell is repeating someone else's mistakes"
 (JPS)

[Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales o acentos para evitar
conflictos de lectura entre sistemas]

[En smilar contexto, evitemos enviar archivos .doc, .ppt o .xls.
Intentemos enviar solo formatos libres y mas livianos, como lo son
.txt, .html, .pdf, .odt, etc.]



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 18:28:17 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:28:17 +0200
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051209191440.8c6d3fac.albi@scii.nl>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
	<1134151051.9577.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051209191440.8c6d3fac.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <1134152897.9577.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> > > 
> > Probably you haven't configured DNS. You can try putting in your
> > gateway's ip address as a DNS server. If that doesn't work (it should)
> 
> no, it shouldn't necessarily, having a machine acting as a gateway does
> not mean that it always is running a DNS-server too
> 

I didn't say "necessarily".





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 18:29:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:29:43 -0500
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com><20041203212853.GA17092@alcor.net><neighborlee.1olfky@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><neighborlee.1otutr@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><mtron.1xvply@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><509d63b70511030650k73a0cde0rb8b93919163b5453@mail.gmail.com><tomwell.1zqgdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<72f07f370512081551v6d5a76f6p@mail.gmail.com>
	<tomwell.1zqywn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <tomwell.1zscwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ok have just tested printing without the colour cartrdige but to no
avail...it runs throught he printing but nothing prints...perhaps
having only one cartdrige in stops it from working... will try and find
an empty cartdrige to test...

Anyone else on this???

recap: The psc 1210 only prints black using the colour cartridge...

Peace

Tom


-- 
tomwell



From hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net  Fri Dec  9 18:42:39 2005
From: hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net (hoffmann.ralph at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:42:39 +0100
Subject: Internet Problem
In-Reply-To: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
References: <47ADB7D2FA9A0546BB46054FE87F834301906747@tdex02.corp.tcc.inet>
Message-ID: <4399D01F.3070408@gmx.net>

Williamson, Steve K. (McPhersons) wrote:
>
> I just installed ubuntu on a machine within my LAN. The NIC is working 
> properly. The NIC setting are all correct (IP Address, Subnet mask, 
> Gateway, etc.). I’m using a static IP with TCP/IP. I’m able to ping my 
> router and other machines on the network, but I can’t connect to the 
> Internet.
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Steve Williamson
> skwilliams at mcphersons.com
>
I have had the problem, that Ubuntu can't find www.google.de. After I 
give the network config one IP of a DNS of the web all requests routing 
to the internet and all works fine. Only to name the gateaway doesn't work.

Ralph



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 18:52:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:52:23 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Are you replying to my post? Just curious because I don't even get to a
command prompt to edit anything. I just get the initial install screen
where I can type what kind of install I want and I type "install" and
it goes through the checks and then at the end of the checks the last
line says something about frame buffer and flashes to a black screen.
Thanks guys.


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 18:59:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:59:46 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you try CTRL-ALT-F1, CRTL-ALT-BACKSPACE, CTRL-\, or just plain old
CTRL-C?



I got the blank screen, too.  There are several more things to try. 
You can select the boot option for rescue mode and chmod 000
/etc/init.d/kdm, which will stop the screen from running the graphics.
I usually find a way to turn off the display while trying to make X
work, so the bootup doesn't lock me out.



zenlakin Wrote: 
> Are you replying to my post? Just curious because I don't even get to a
> command prompt to edit anything. I just get the initial install screen
> where I can type what kind of install I want and I type "install" and
> it goes through the checks and then at the end of the checks the last
> line says something about frame buffer and flashes to a black screen.
> Thanks guys.


-- 
azcrumpty



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 19:02:32 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:02:32 -0500
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <tomwell.1zscwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<tomwell.1zqywn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<tomwell.1zscwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512091402.32324.carney1979@gmail.com>

On Friday 09 December 2005 13:29, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:
> Ok have just tested printing without the colour cartrdige but to no
> avail...it runs throught he printing but nothing prints...perhaps
> having only one cartdrige in stops it from working... will try and find
> an empty cartdrige to test...
>
> Anyone else on this???
>
> recap: The psc 1210 only prints black using the colour cartridge...
>
> Peace
>
> Tom
>
>
> --
> tomwell

I suspect it's the printer driver, not Ubuntu.

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 19:05:55 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:05:55 +0200
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
Message-ID: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I've had this problem for a while, if I click "Empty Trash" only the
files deleted recently will be emptied. There are ~90 files that don't
get deleted. If I open Trash and delete them manually it works (so
obviously I do have the permissions.

Should I just delete them manually and file a bug?




From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Fri Dec  9 19:07:16 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:07:16 +0100
Subject: What is Gnubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512091010w5b6cf0aeo360d8100de728e86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e06f2acd0512091010w5b6cf0aeo360d8100de728e86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134155236.5054.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Second result on Google:
http://osdir.com/Article7951.phtml




From alves5 at cantv.net  Fri Dec  9 19:28:34 2005
From: alves5 at cantv.net (Douglas Alves)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:34 -0400
Subject: mp3 for SOX
Message-ID: <1134156514.10731.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

How can one add mp3 encoding capability to sox?





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 19:27:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:27:03 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes, the boot doesn't HALT.  It is too bad OpenSSH server isn't
installed by default; you could find the IP address in SSH in and kill
kdm.  If the key shortcuts don't work, boot into rescue mode and just
gzip /etc/init.d/kdm.



Once you have X working, use "startx," to start x.  When it works ok,
gunzip /etc/init.d/kdm.



You might want to slip OpenSSH on, to. I think "sudo apt-get install
openssh" will do.


-- 
azcrumpty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 19:22:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:22:23 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I will have to try that when I get home. I just thought that the install
halted when I got the black screen. So i can do ctrl-alt-f1 at the black
screen? or before i choose my install method? Sorry, I am new to this
flavor of linux and this is the first time I have tried to put it on a
laptop especially one with 64 bit processor. Seems like it doesn't like
my hardware. Anymore help would be appreciated. Thanks.


-- 
zenlakin



From mangg at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  9 19:46:22 2005
From: mangg at yahoo.com (Joseph)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:46:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What is Gnubuntu
Message-ID: <20051209194622.89728.qmail@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

-------------- original message --------------
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:40:59 +0530
From: (?????) Revant Nandgaonkar
<revant.one at gmail.com>
Subject: What is Gnubuntu?
To: Ubuntu-Users Mailing List
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID:

<e06f2acd0512091010w5b6cf0aeo360d8100de728e86 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Is it based on gnu mach? Is it completely Gnu OS in
that manner?
or is it Gnu/Linux for Human Beings?


Revant
-------------- original message --------------


Hello Revant,

  Gnubuntu is a proposed GNU/Linux distribution more
ideologically pure and true to free software movement.
 Free software and open source are not always
congruent terms or more importantly congruent
licenses.  There are many licensing types such as
GNU/GPL, Apache, BSD, and even traditional commercial
software with its copyrights/patents all of which
afford the user and developer different
rights/freedoms.  Gnubuntu would be closer to
distribution such as Ututo or GNU Darwin which focus
on Free software (FOSS Free/Libre/Open-Source
Software).  I don't know if it is off the ground yet
but it was proposed by Mark Shuttleworth (Linux guru,
coder, and financier) who also responsible for the
wonderful work that is Ubuntu.  

Check out -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_vs._free_software
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013261.html
http://www.fsf.org
http://www.ututo.org/index-ipv4.html

Thanks & enjoy your weekend,
Joe




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 20:14:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:14:41 -0500
Subject: Breezy upgrade, CPUFreq problem
References: <43642814.8030507@gmail.com><djkork.1yv98m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zko1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><djkork.1zl4py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<4396CECD.8040400@gmail.com><djkork.1zoqcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<cilynx.1zpefa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><wangxiaohu.1zs97b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4399C28B.1020808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <wangxiaohu.1zshja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thanks for the information. However, I am not able to insmod the
existing madwifi driver, ie. ath_pci.ko, into the new kernel. It always
report that the kernel version is different to load the module.



The only way I can think of is to re-compile the madwifi driver against
the new kernel.



Maybe the best way is to let kernel maintainer from Ubuntu know and
release an updated version.



Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் Wrote: 
> 'Forum Post wrote:

> > cilynx Wrote: 

> > 

> >>As advertised, kernels now available for download 'here'

> >>(http://www.wolfteck.com/clockmod).

> >

> > Can you also compile madwifi driver against your kernel config? My
> P4

> > laptop need madwifi driver to get on wireless network.

> > 

> > Many thanks!

> > 

> 

> My WiFi didn't work at first. When I looked at 'dmesg' I noticed that 

> hotplug was looking for firmware with the kernel version suffix. Before
> 

> I had 2.6.10 kernel and it used atmel_at76c502e.bin-2.6.12-10-386.

> 

> So, to use the new kernel I just created a symlink to the afore 

> mentioned file and called it 'atmel_at76c502e.bin-2.6.12.p4-no-n60'.
> May 

> be you can do something like that. The kernel was patched and not 

> modified in any other way, so you drivers should work if it was
> compiled 

> as a module.(Someone correct if I am wrong)

> 

> -- 

> Regards,

> - Saru

> --------------------------------------------

> Sarangan Thuraisingham

> ECS, University of Southampton, UK

> 

> Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

> 

> Tux is the Best

> Next is the Rest

> --------------------------------------------

> 

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> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users


-- 
wangxiaohu



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 20:34:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:34:11 -0500
Subject: Blanking screen when in console
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home><1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine><20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>
	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
Message-ID: <fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


well, in my case I would like for the console to _not_ blank. Is there a
way to set that up? GRUB maybe?


-- 
fourchannel



From alves5 at cantv.net  Fri Dec  9 20:40:53 2005
From: alves5 at cantv.net (Douglas Alves)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:40:53 -0400
Subject: mp3 for SOX
Message-ID: <1134160853.10731.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

How can one add mp3 encoding capability to sox?





From tholm at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec  9 20:50:30 2005
From: tholm at cfl.rr.com (Ted Holm)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:50:30 -0500
Subject: Blanking screen when in console
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine>
	<20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>
	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>

Please remove me from the list ASAP.
Ted Holm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>;
<'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com>
To: <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Blanking screen when in console


>
> well, in my case I would like for the console to _not_ blank. Is there a
> way to set that up? GRUB maybe?
>
>
> -- 
> fourchannel
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 21:03:51 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:03:51 +0000
Subject: Gnome 2.12.1 and ogg
Message-ID: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I just discovered something interesting,

I am downloading some MP3's from the net then encoding them to ogg.

About I try to mostly use OSS, so it would seem stranged the gnome previews
mp3's but will not do it with ogg,

To be honest I would have thought it to be the other way round.

In case I am not being clear, when I hover my mouse over an mp3 nautilus
plays a preview of it, but if its encoded to ogg it does not.

Is it just me or does anyone else notice this?

Thanks
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec  9 21:05:11 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:05:11 -0600
Subject: Blanking screen when in console
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>	<1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine>	<20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>	<fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4399F187.8030102@wadesmart.com>

12092005 1504 GMT-5

Why do not people just unsubscribe themselves?

Wade

Ted Holm wrote:

>Please remove me from the list ASAP.
>Ted Holm
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>;
><'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com>
>To: <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Blanking screen when in console
>
>
>  
>
>>well, in my case I would like for the console to _not_ blank. Is there a
>>way to set that up? GRUB maybe?
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>fourchannel
>>
>>-- 
>>ubuntu-users mailing list
>>ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 21:15:20 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:15:20 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512090442uee5847n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512090427q75553099i@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512090442uee5847n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512091315y2700678fn@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/12/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:

> > There has been for over a year (and it's now the default).
>
> I know. What I was replying to was the desire to keep the repository
> in a "file structure." I'm not sure exactly what he means. Subversion
> uses a database backend, which varies by version.

the fsfs backend isn't a database.


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Fri Dec  9 21:50:19 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:50:19 -0500
Subject: libqt2 Dependency
Message-ID: <1134165020.9121.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Attempting to install XCA, an OpenSSL CA gui; requires libqt2; can't
locate in Synaptic repositories

Raymond




From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec  9 22:21:44 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:21:44 +0100
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bump.
Does no one have an idea?


> Hello
> 
> I have a problem with my removable usb-medias.
> 
> The Icon on the desktop does not appear anymore and it does not get
> mounted, although the system recognize them.
> See below.
> 
> What could be wrong?
> 
> TIA Thilo
> 
> 
> 
> When i plug it in, syslog says:
> 
> [4295913.522000] usb-storage: device found at 4
> [4295913.522000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
> [10278]:      usb-storage: already loaded
> kernel: [4295918.770000]   Vendor: ST650211  Model: CF   Rev: 3.04
> kernel: [4295918.770000]   Type:   Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
> kernel: [4295918.914000] SCSI device sda: 9767520 512-byte hdwr sectors
> (5001 MB)
> kernel: [4295918.917000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
> kernel: [4295919.040000] SCSI device sda: 9767520 512-byte hdwr sectors
> (5001 MB)
> kernel: [4295919.040000] sda: assuming drive cache: write through
> kernel: [4295919.040000]  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
> kernel: [4295920.370000] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id
> 0, lun 0
> kernel: [4295920.382000] usb-storage: device scan complete
> scsi.agent[10326]:      sd_mod: loaded sucessfully (for disk)
> 
> 
> $ l /dev/sda*
> brw-r-----  1 root plugdev 8, 0 04.12.05 04:08 /dev/sda
> brw-r-----  1 root plugdev 8, 1 04.12.05 04:08 /dev/sda1
> 
> $ l /media/
> insgesamt 12K
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    6 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom -> cdrom0/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom0/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 cdrom1/
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    7 07.05.05 21:37 floppy -> floppy0/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 07.05.05 21:37 floppy0/
> 
> $ mount
> /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
> tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-k7/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> /dev/hda6 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext3 (rw,noatime)
> /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime)
> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)
> 
> 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec  9 22:33:34 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:33:34 +0100
Subject: Gnome 2.12.1 and ogg
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134167615.8811.183.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> In case I am not being clear, when I hover my mouse over an mp3
> nautilus plays a preview of it, but if its encoded to ogg it does not.
> 
> Is it just me or does anyone else notice this?

Using Breezy/Gnome 2.12.1 here, too.

Sound preview in Nautilus does not work at all. It won't preview mp3
(despite gstreamer "mad" plug-in has been installed, so that Rhthmbox
can play mp3s), it won't preview OGG (as you pointed out, that's rather
hard to accept), it won't preview WAV files. 

In Warty it was working better (wav worked) and it would even preview
the sound track of video files ! :-)


Gnome has it's own multimedia infrastructure, Gstreamer. Common sense
would have you think that Nautilus would use it to preview audio/video
files, but no. Go figure.

I just saw that Gstreamer 0.10 has been released, and it seems so much
better than the current 0.8. Hopefully it will be used in Dapper, and
Nautilus will use it for previewing multimedia files. 

If you can preview mp3, it's probably that you manually installed some
package in the past that had mp3 support for one reason or another.
Maybe you installed mplayer, or mpg123 or sox or something else... only
you can know ;-)


--
Vince, touching wood.




From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 22:52:05 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:52:05 -0500
Subject: Blanking screen when in console
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>	<1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine>	<20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>	<fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <439A0A95.8090902@earthlink.net>

Ted Holm wrote:
> Please remove me from the list ASAP.
> Ted Holm



Sorry, Ted, but you have to do it yourself. Go here:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

-- cmg



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec  9 22:44:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:44:37 -0500
Subject: Multi-function printers in Ubuntu
References: <de382692041203033958aba2b7@mail.gmail.com><tomwell.1zqywn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><tomwell.1zscwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512091402.32324.carney1979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tomwell.1zsoxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


David M. Carney Wrote: 
> 

> 

> I suspect it's the printer driver, not Ubuntu.

> 

> David

> 





Do you know if there is something to do so i can sort it out???



Peace



Tom


-- 
tomwell



From webguytx at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 23:37:14 2005
From: webguytx at gmail.com (robert)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0600
Subject: DVD Player Error
Message-ID: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com>

Hey list,

I just installed Ubuntu 5.10, I tried to play a dvd movie, I got the 
following error.

Using Totem, Error invoking "dvdnav-get-next_block"; Error reading NAV 
packet.

I tested this same movie with my dvd player(hooked to my TV) also Winxp 
pro has no problem.

Robert



From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec  9 23:54:41 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:54:41 +0100
Subject: DVD Player Error
In-Reply-To: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com>
References: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051210005441.b6f60f6b.albi@scii.nl>

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0600
robert <webguytx at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just installed Ubuntu 5.10, I tried to play a dvd movie, I got the 
> following error.
> 
> Using Totem, Error invoking "dvdnav-get-next_block"; Error reading
> NAV packet.

you didn't mention whether you prepared your installation for playing
dvd's or not, this might help :

http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#dvdplayback -->
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-cd84b8e23927ccdb4bb55ffd3074687abec0cf3b

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 10 00:34:31 2005
From: spamless_mr.sisyphus at shaw.ca (Lee H.)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:34:31 -0800
Subject: Nightmare printing to Windows printers
In-Reply-To: <fast.orange.1zs4km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <ff19p1ha7ic4efbvoug0uku8d4qal3bkee@4ax.com>
	<1133884683.13514.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<satyam.1zph7b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<fast.orange.1zs4km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1k8kp1l4dnvbe5i7vr4vudcmjtprmntjr0@4ax.com>

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:22:01 -0500, you wrote:

>
>to get the cups login screen working, type "smbpasswd -a username" in
>the terminal, where username is the same as your current account.  now
>the username and password should be the same as your account.
>

Thanks!!

Lee H.



From troywill1 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 01:14:05 2005
From: troywill1 at gmail.com (Troy Williams)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:14:05 -0600
Subject: Does Ubuntu 5.10 work "out of the box" every time with the Mac
	mini? Having problems booting a new install.
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 17:36 -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> As per the subject: does Ubuntu work flawlessly with the Mac mini out
> of the box?
> 
> The reason I ask...
> 
> I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 (from a ShipIt disk) to a 5.2 GB
> partition (first partition on the drive) and it doesn't boot properly.
> 
> It'll get to yaboot and go past a little bit but then the monitor goes
> dead and I see (and hear) no activity whatsoever from the CPU (if I
> listen really carefully and all other sources of noise are off I can
> hear the HD).
> 
> This is a bog-standard install: 1.25 GHz, upgraded to 512 MB RAM, 40
> GB HD (partitioned 35 GB OS X 10.4 and 5.2 GB partition Ubuntu 5.10),
> 17" KDS Avitron VGA-connected monitor (capable of 1280x1024, 1152*864,
> 1024*768, 832*624, 800*600, 640*480 and a variety of non-standard
> sizes).
> 
> The Mac mini booted fine with the Live CD.
> 
> Any ideas? (yes, I realise I haven't provided much info... I don't
> *have* much info ;-).
> 
> Eric.
> 

I have installed Kubuntu 5.10 on the same Mac Mini without issue,
however, I let it have the entire hard drive.  I also run 1280x1024.

Here is a nice write-up on Debian on the Mini:
http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/

Also, google "Linux on Mac Mini" and you will find a fair amount of
info.

FWIW, I just installed Gentoo on another Mac Mini w/o issue (so far,
still getting it set up the way I want it).

-- 
Troy Williams
GPG Key: 1024D/FACE63E3 2005-04-20 Troy Williams
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From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sat Dec 10 01:52:52 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:52:52 +1000
Subject: Where is Perldoc
In-Reply-To: <1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439A34F4.1050509@upng.ac.pg>

Hi,
Does Perl installation in Ubuntu come with online Perl documentation 
which I expected to be the case?
I needed to look up the syntax of the split command and when I issued

perldoc -f split

I received an error message telling me that I have must have perl-doc 
package installed before I can use
the command. After the aptitude and the apt-cache searches and the 
Synaptic PM returning negative
results, I decided to install it manually from CPAN with its dependent 
modules. Now the command is in the /usr/bin/perldoc path
but it is not a symlink. There is no entry in /etc/alternatives either.

perldoc is really part of Perl and I am surprised that it didn't come in 
the first place with Perl. But then I am learning new things about
Debian and Ubuntu and I may be surprised. Thanks for any hints on what I 
need to do to get the online documentation on Perl.

Alfred,








From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 01:53:22 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:53:22 -0500
Subject: Gnome 2.12.1 and ogg
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512091753o2eed40d5k954857def9b3db37@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/9/05, Aaron Kiley <aaron.kiley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I just discovered something interesting,
>
>  I am downloading some MP3's from the net then encoding them to ogg.
>
>  About I try to mostly use OSS, so it would seem stranged the gnome previews
> mp3's but will not do it with ogg,
>
>  To be honest I would have thought it to be the other way round.
>
>  In case I am not being clear, when I hover my mouse over an mp3 nautilus
> plays a preview of it, but if its encoded to ogg it does not.
>
>  Is it just me or does anyone else notice this?
>
>  Thanks

The way nautilus previews files is severely limited right now. It's
being reworked.

And, the good news is, Gnome is reworking it.  It's targeted for 2.14
to have nautilus' preview use gstreamer and essentially support
whatever gstreamer does.

see:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111511

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 02:03:34 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:03:34 +0000
Subject: Where is Perldoc
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439A34F4.1050509@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <86acf9bte1.fsf@gmail.com>

You need to install the perl-doc package to use this program.

Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> writes:

 | Hi,
 | Does Perl installation in Ubuntu come with online Perl documentation
 | which I expected to be the case?
 | I needed to look up the syntax of the split command and when I issued
 | 
 | perldoc -f split
 | 
 | I received an error message telling me that I have must have perl-doc
 | package installed before I can use
 | the command. After the aptitude and the apt-cache searches and the
 | Synaptic PM returning negative
 | results, I decided to install it manually from CPAN with its dependent
 | modules. Now the command is in the /usr/bin/perldoc path
 | but it is not a symlink. There is no entry in /etc/alternatives either.
 | 
 | perldoc is really part of Perl and I am surprised that it didn't come
 | in the first place with Perl. But then I am learning new things about
 | Debian and Ubuntu and I may be surprised. Thanks for any hints on what
 | I need to do to get the online documentation on Perl.
 | 
 | Alfred,
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sat Dec 10 02:29:07 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:29:07 -0400
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
Message-ID: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>

Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
I have JRE installed (and JDK too)

I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I 
feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )

Since I need this app, it tells me this

david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
  to the installation directory of java.
Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
  We cannot execute java
Bootstrap FAILED
david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 02:12:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:12:12 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ok, I have it installed but I am not able to start x. when typing start
x I get an error saying:

Radeon(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI

Radeon(0): XAAInit Error



then it says something about checking the Xorg log. I have the Radeon
200m 128 meg chip with hypermemory.


-- 
zenlakin



From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sat Dec 10 02:38:24 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:38:24 +1000
Subject: Where is Perldoc
In-Reply-To: <86acf9bte1.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>	<1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439A34F4.1050509@upng.ac.pg>
	<86acf9bte1.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439A3FA0.6070208@upng.ac.pg>

That's what I encountered which led me to issuing the aptitude search, 
apt-cache search and the Synaptic PM
to show me where the package is or what it's name is. Even the 
http://packages.ubuntu.com Warty site did not have relevant
information or so I thought as I did not see a perl-doc package there. I 
came close to installing perl again but it is already installed version 
5.8.4 in Warty.

apt-get install perl-doc is, I'm afraid, no good.

Alfred,


leon wrote:

>You need to install the perl-doc package to use this program.
>
>Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> writes:
>
> | Hi,
> | Does Perl installation in Ubuntu come with online Perl documentation
> | which I expected to be the case?
> | I needed to look up the syntax of the split command and when I issued
> | 
> | perldoc -f split
> | 
> | I received an error message telling me that I have must have perl-doc
> | package installed before I can use
> | the command. After the aptitude and the apt-cache searches and the
> | Synaptic PM returning negative
> | results, I decided to install it manually from CPAN with its dependent
> | modules. Now the command is in the /usr/bin/perldoc path
> | but it is not a symlink. There is no entry in /etc/alternatives either.
> | 
> | perldoc is really part of Perl and I am surprised that it didn't come
> | in the first place with Perl. But then I am learning new things about
> | Debian and Ubuntu and I may be surprised. Thanks for any hints on what
> | I need to do to get the online documentation on Perl.
> | 
> | Alfred,
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
> | 
>
>  
>



From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sat Dec 10 02:44:29 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:44:29 +1000
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>

Set this in your PATH which should be in /etc/profile.
Then export the PATH.
To flag the change, issue a command like
. profile (period profile). I'm assuming you're using (BA)SH shell.

Alfred,


David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:

> Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
> I have JRE installed (and JDK too)
>
> I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I 
> feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )
>
> Since I need this app, it tells me this
>
> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
> Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
>  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
>  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
>  to the installation directory of java.
> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>  We cannot execute java
> Bootstrap FAILED
> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$
>
>



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 02:34:10 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:34:10 +0000
Subject: Where is Perldoc
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439A34F4.1050509@upng.ac.pg> <86acf9bte1.fsf@gmail.com>
	<439A3FA0.6070208@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <86d5k57k9p.fsf@gmail.com>

Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> writes:

 | That's what I encountered which led me to issuing the aptitude search,
 | apt-cache search and the Synaptic PM
 | to show me where the package is or what it's name is. Even the
 | http://packages.ubuntu.com Warty site did not have relevant
 | information or so I thought as I did not see a perl-doc package
 | there. I came close to installing perl again but it is already
 | installed version 5.8.4 in Warty.
 | 
 | apt-get install perl-doc is, I'm afraid, no good.
 | 
 | Alfred,
 | 

The perldoc command in the system is nothing but an echo command. If you
don't install perl-doc you won't be able to use it.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 10 02:45:06 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:45:06 +0100
Subject: Gnome 2.12.1 and ogg
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512091753o2eed40d5k954857def9b3db37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80f459360512091303u53a802a3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512091753o2eed40d5k954857def9b3db37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134182706.8248.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 20:53 -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
> ...It's being reworked.
> ...And, the good news is, Gnome is reworking it.  
> ...It's targeted for 2.14 to have nautilus' preview use gstreamer and essentially support
> whatever gstreamer does.


Ahhhh, at last some good news ! :o)
I will light a candle and say a prayer every day for it to be perfectly
working and implemented in time for Dapper...


--
Vince, looking forward to the Drake...




From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sat Dec 10 03:06:59 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:06:59 +1000
Subject: Where is Perldoc
In-Reply-To: <86d5k57k9p.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081436t4bb022f3i554082aa6de27788@mail.gmail.com>	<1134177245.20447.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439A34F4.1050509@upng.ac.pg>
	<86acf9bte1.fsf@gmail.com>	<439A3FA0.6070208@upng.ac.pg>
	<86d5k57k9p.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439A4653.6000803@upng.ac.pg>

leon wrote:

>Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> writes:
>
> | That's what I encountered which led me to issuing the aptitude search,
> | apt-cache search and the Synaptic PM
> | to show me where the package is or what it's name is. Even the
> | http://packages.ubuntu.com Warty site did not have relevant
> | information or so I thought as I did not see a perl-doc package
> | there. I came close to installing perl again but it is already
> | installed version 5.8.4 in Warty.
> | 
> | apt-get install perl-doc is, I'm afraid, no good.
> | 
> | Alfred,
> | 
>
>The perldoc command in the system is nothing but an echo command. If you
>don't install perl-doc you won't be able to use it.
>
>  
>
O.K, so where do I get the perl-doc package to install. Is it contained 
in some other Perl package?

Alfred,




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 02:41:18 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:41:18 +0000
Subject: Is this X bug fixed yet?
Message-ID: <864q5h7jxt.fsf@gmail.com>

Just a few minutes ago, my laptop crashes actually it's just the monitor
went blank.

I thing it has to do with the `xv' video driver. I remember read
somewhere the following will crash X:

1. play media using `xv'
2. suspend
3. play media using `xv' again

You could see that the mouse cursor disappears, gdm fails and the monitor
goes blank completely. And the only fix is reboot the computer by
pushing the power button.

I HATE THIS BUG. Let's nail it down.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sat Dec 10 03:25:31 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:25:31 -0400
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>

Alfred Vahau wrote:

> Set this in your PATH which should be in /etc/profile.
> Then export the PATH.
> To flag the change, issue a command like
> . profile (period profile). I'm assuming you're using (BA)SH shell.
>
> Alfred,
>
>
> David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
>> I have JRE installed (and JDK too)
>>
>> I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I 
>> feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )
>>
>> Since I need this app, it tells me this
>>
>> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
>> Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
>>  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
>>  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
>>  to the installation directory of java.
>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>  We cannot execute java
>> Bootstrap FAILED
>> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$
>>
>>
>
Ahh, got a little lost, more explanation? :(



From dlaude at usadig.com  Sat Dec 10 03:24:30 2005
From: dlaude at usadig.com (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:24:30 -0700
Subject: DVD Player Error
In-Reply-To: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com>
References: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512092024.30735.dlaude@usadig.com>

On Friday 09 December 2005 16:37, robert wrote:
> Hey list,
>
> I just installed Ubuntu 5.10, I tried to play a dvd movie, I got
> the following error.
>
> Using Totem, Error invoking "dvdnav-get-next_block"; Error reading
> NAV packet.
>
> I tested this same movie with my dvd player(hooked to my TV) also
> Winxp pro has no problem.

Try reading this: http://ubuntuguide.org

Dana



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 03:36:21 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:36:21 -0500
Subject: proper rssh setup for SFTP access
In-Reply-To: <thnogueira.1zrj9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051112142951.GB32524@chastell.shot.pl>
	<1132032447.30443.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051115133302.GG32524@chastell.shot.pl>
	<thnogueira.1zrj9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512091936v279f5812t791190e8c9cfc05f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/9/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I'm having the same problem here. Does anyone figured out how to solve
> it?

What problem?  Please consider replying to a previous post instead of
starting another thread, especially if you are making reference to it.
 Thanks.



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 03:42:04 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:12:04 +0530
Subject: LaunchPad
In-Reply-To: <720dc91f0512091025r201bc546m76d38e45ac4ea02d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134148843.12889.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<720dc91f0512091025r201bc546m76d38e45ac4ea02d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512091942j63efccd2hd895763200f0f524@mail.gmail.com>

Any of you guys helping out in the development ?
Vignesh

On 12/9/05, Mauricio Hernandez <mhz.chile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> also,
> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/149-Ubuntus-MOTU-School-Packaging-without-debhelper-andor-CDBS.html
>
> --
> Cordialmente,
>
> Mauricio Hernandez Z.
>
> "Hell is repeating someone else's mistakes"
> (JPS)
>
> [Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales o acentos para evitar
> conflictos de lectura entre sistemas]
>
> [En smilar contexto, evitemos enviar archivos .doc, .ppt o .xls.
> Intentemos enviar solo formatos libres y mas livianos, como lo son
> .txt, .html, .pdf, .odt, etc.]
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From bertilow at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 04:06:00 2005
From: bertilow at gmail.com (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:06:00 +0900
Subject: How to make sudo ask for a password?
Message-ID: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>

I use Kubuntu Breezy. For some unknown reason I can do sudo
without a password. That doesn't seem very secure. How can I
change that? I want to be asked for a password.

Actually I don't even need to do sudo at all. If I just click on
e.g. the synaptic icon, the program starts without asking me
anything, and allows me to do anything.

I'm not running as root. But when I installed I chose expert mode
(to be able to de create a separate home partition), so a root
account was created. After that I had to add myself to the
sudoers file in order to use sudo.

My sudoers file has this:

  Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
  root ALL=(ALL) ALL
  %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

The only time I need to provide my password, is when I log in
to KDE or Gnome (I almost always use KDE).

Doing "sudo -k" does not change anything.

This problem started with Breezy. In Hoary everything worked as
documented. (But my Hoary was not installed in expert mode.)

What can I do? Please help.

--
Bertil Wennergren <http://bertilow.com>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 04:11:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:11:26 -0500
Subject: editing Digital Video, authoring DVD's
References: <20051206031201.GC29614@mail.kenpro.com.au><43951A94.20503@upng.ac.pg><d4b4435a0512060619i5d2e36ddp579b0aede90bab3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133942448.3870.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <reuben.1zt3ra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try Main Actor. It is commercial software, but they let you download a
copy to play with (it adds a watermark to all your vids.)



It is super slick - way friendlier than cinelerra, e.g.


-- 
reuben



From webguytx at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 04:20:30 2005
From: webguytx at gmail.com (robert)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:20:30 -0600
Subject: DVD Player Error
In-Reply-To: <20051210005441.b6f60f6b.albi@scii.nl>
References: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com> <20051210005441.b6f60f6b.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <439A578E.3060107@gmail.com>

albi wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:37:14 -0600
>robert <webguytx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I just installed Ubuntu 5.10, I tried to play a dvd movie, I got the 
>>following error.
>>
>>Using Totem, Error invoking "dvdnav-get-next_block"; Error reading
>>NAV packet.
>>    
>>
>
>you didn't mention whether you prepared your installation for playing
>dvd's or not, this might help :
>
>http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#dvdplayback -->
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-cd84b8e23927ccdb4bb55ffd3074687abec0cf3b
>
>  
>
Thanks list,

I install totem-xine and it let me play my movie.

Robert



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 04:43:33 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:43:33 -0500
Subject: xorg-driver-fglrx broken in Dapper - am I the only one?
References: <1133118939.15903.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <pablovp.1zt5ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


No you are not.



http://tinyurl.com/73bxo



It seems that everybody that upgraded to the new kernel 2.6.15 has it.



Im using vesa driver to run X now, waiting for a solution, since im no
gamer i dont feel to much pain using it.


-- 
pablovp



From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 05:14:34 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:14:34 -0500
Subject: xorg-driver-fglrx broken in Dapper - am I the only one?
In-Reply-To: <1133118939.15903.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133118939.15903.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512092114k48f1a56er5ee590d960015e3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/27/05, Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on Friday after logging out and in again, X didn't start on my Dapper
> (up to date as far as a few dependcy problems with aptitude et al.
> allow). The log looks fine until at the end I get
>
> (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fglrx
> (II) UnloadModule: "fglrx"
> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
>
> The same happens for the synaptic touchpad driver, then I get "no
> screens found."
> After reverting to the ati driver instead of fglrx, X starts fine again.
>
> xorg-driver-fglrx and linux-restricted modules are installed, just as
> they ever were.
>
> Does anybody know what's going on?

Same thing happened to nvidia's a week ago.

It'll sort itself out in a day or two, unless there's major issues.

Until then, you should be able to get away with using a generic
driver... the joy of using the next wave 5 months early ;)


--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 10 05:19:30 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 06:19:30 +0100
Subject: xorg-driver-fglrx broken in Dapper - am I the only one?
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512092114k48f1a56er5ee590d960015e3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133118939.15903.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512092114k48f1a56er5ee590d960015e3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134191970.8248.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 00:14 -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
> ... the joy of using the next wave 5 months early ;)

That's 4 month I think not 5... time travels faster than light he ?! ;-)

--
Vince




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 10 05:39:23 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:39:23 +1100
Subject: mp3 for SOX
In-Reply-To: <1134156514.10731.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134156514.10731.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051210163923.36093f9d.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:34 -0400
Douglas Alves <alves5 at cantv.net> wrote:

> How can one add mp3 encoding capability to sox?

You might try using "lame" instead. Evidently sox doesn't support mp3
encoding. In the simplest case you can just do

lame file.wav file.mp3

This by default gives you a 128 kbps mp3

If you want to convert , say, .ogg to mp3 you can do it by first using sox
to convert the .ogg to .wav . Of course converting one compressed format
to another is guaranteed to lose quality, but it appears to work (just
tried it as an experiment) I imagine the two operations could be piped ,
although I haven't tried that.

The lame package is in multiverse.

Peter
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 10 05:44:21 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:44:21 +1100
Subject: Blanking screen when in console
In-Reply-To: <fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine>
	<20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>
	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051210164421.66b666be.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:34:11 -0500
"'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

> 
> well, in my case I would like for the console to _not_ blank. Is there a
> way to set that up? GRUB maybe?
> 

Not sure exactly what you want, but

setterm -blank 0

will disable blanking of a virtual terminal.

Peter



From howardbarnett at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 10 05:53:24 2005
From: howardbarnett at earthlink.net (Howard J. Barnett)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:53:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Noob here.
Message-ID: <7426119.1134194004499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Howdy. I'm a complete Linux noob, but xp finally drove me over the edge. I figured to start out right and ask for help along the way. So, how would I go about installing my Intellipoint trakcball with controll of all the buttons? If this is too advanced for me already, I'll understand. But I do hate using a standard mouse . Is this even possible? TIA for any insight.

hb

"The Widow Douglas she took me for her son, and allowed she would sivilize me; but it was rough living in the house all the time, considering how dismal regular and decent the widow was in all her ways; and so when I couldn't stand it no longer I lit out" 
Huck Finn



From ed at fletcher.ca  Sat Dec 10 05:55:56 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:55:56 -0800
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
In-Reply-To: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>

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Giorgos wrote:
| I've had this problem for a while, if I click "Empty Trash" only the
| files deleted recently will be emptied. There are ~90 files that don't
| get deleted. If I open Trash and delete them manually it works (so
| obviously I do have the permissions.
|
| Should I just delete them manually and file a bug?

You weren't using a mountable filesystem were you?  I had this happen
when I used nautilus to delete files from a USB hard drive and then
unmounted the drive before emptying the trash.  I couldn't get rid of
them except by opening a terminal, cd'ing to the trash directory and
doing it by hand.  Or by reattaching the usb drive and then it would
work from the panel icon menu.

Drove me nuts until I figured it out.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 06:16:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:16:53 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


zenlakin Wrote: 
> ok, I have it installed but I am not able to start x. when typing start
> x I get an error saying:

> Radeon(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI

> Radeon(0): XAAInit Error

> 

> then it says something about checking the Xorg log. I have the Radeon
> 200m 128 meg chip with hypermemory.
I like what I see.  It did not blow up really bad.  From here on out,
you simply fix the minor complaints that show up in the log file.  If
you get more errors following this, attach the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
so we can see what is going wrong.

In this case, it complains that it doesn't like option DRI. 
Simple--->We will remove it.

Remove the following lines:

Load "dri" 

...

Section "DRI"

Mode 0666

EndSection  

Run startx again afterwood, and paste the log if you have any more
errors.


-- 
azcrumpty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 07:07:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:07:35 -0500
Subject: Totem problem
References: <bbda83370511241356q6893b9e5h597d908ca2843457@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Juissi.1ztc3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I Hope you problem is already solved... I had the exact same error
message. I found two ways to resolve the problem:



- change the default video output in Multimedia system selector (or
similar, my gnome isn't in English) from -XWindow (X11/XShm/Xv)- to
-XWindow (No Xv)-. This resulted in somewhat choppy playback so I
prefer the other solution

- install -totem-xine- which immediately solved this problem without
side-effects.


-- 
Juissi



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 07:29:37 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:29:37 +0200
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
In-Reply-To: <439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
References: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <1134199777.8570.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 21:55 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:

> You weren't using a mountable filesystem were you?  I had this happen
> when I used nautilus to delete files from a USB hard drive and then
> unmounted the drive before emptying the trash.  I couldn't get rid of
> them except by opening a terminal, cd'ing to the trash directory and
> doing it by hand.  Or by reattaching the usb drive and then it would
> work from the panel icon menu.
> 
> Drove me nuts until I figured it out.
> 

I do use a USB drive at times, but the files that wouldn't get deleted
were not from that drive. Files deleted from that USB drive go to
the .Trash.(name) in the same drive.




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 07:53:48 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:53:48 +0000
Subject: proper rssh setup for SFTP access
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512091936v279f5812t791190e8c9cfc05f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051112142951.GB32524@chastell.shot.pl>
	<1132032447.30443.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051115133302.GG32524@chastell.shot.pl>
	<thnogueira.1zrj9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<c7e21f4d0512091936v279f5812t791190e8c9cfc05f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051210075348.GA9864@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:36:21PM -0500, Kim Briggs wrote:
> On 12/9/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm having the same problem here. Does anyone figured out how to solve
> > it?
> 
> What problem?  Please consider replying to a previous post instead of
> starting another thread, especially if you are making reference to it.
>  Thanks.

The messages show up properly threaded in my mail reader.

Taken from the headers of the original post:
  Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:02 +0100
  Message-ID: <20051115133302.GG32524 at chastell.shot.pl>

and from the previous post:
  References:
  <20051112142951.GB32524 at chastell.shot.pl>
  <1132032447.30443.5.camel at localhost.localdomain>
  <20051115133302.GG32524 at chastell.shot.pl>
(which contains the previous message id)

and from your post:
  References: <20051112142951.GB32524 at chastell.shot.pl>
        <1132032447.30443.5.camel at localhost.localdomain>
        <20051115133302.GG32524 at chastell.shot.pl>
        <thnogueira.1zrj9z at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
(which contains both ids)
 
and your message id:
  Message-ID:
  <c7e21f4d0512091936v279f5812t791190e8c9cfc05f at mail.gmail.com>


Perhaps it's Google mail that's screwing up for you?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 08:08:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:08:40 -0500
Subject: Noob here.
References: <7426119.1134194004499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zteva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


AFAIK it should work out of the box. Given that it takes about 15-20
mins for the default Ubuntu install (AMD64 3200+ 1GBDDR400 - could take
longer on slower hw) , I would suggest that you go ahead try it and
repost if you have a problem using it.



HTH


-- 
amohanty



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 08:24:31 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:24:31 +0000
Subject: DVD Player Error
In-Reply-To: <200512092024.30735.dlaude@usadig.com>
References: <439A152A.4080807@gmail.com> <200512092024.30735.dlaude@usadig.com>
Message-ID: <20051210082431.GB9864@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 08:24:30PM -0700, Dana J. Laude wrote:
> On Friday 09 December 2005 16:37, robert wrote:

> > I just installed Ubuntu 5.10, I tried to play a dvd movie, I got
> > the following error.
> >
> > Using Totem, Error invoking "dvdnav-get-next_block"; Error reading
> > NAV packet.
> >
> > I tested this same movie with my dvd player(hooked to my TV) also
> > Winxp pro has no problem.
> 
> Try reading this: http://ubuntuguide.org

Please, not that site again.  There have been many discussions about 
problems with the advice given there.

Further, would you please notice that the OP has just installed Ubuntu
5.10 and right at the top of the link you provided it says 'Unofficial
Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide'
       ^^^^

To the OP, I don't know what a NAV packet is, but have you followed the
advice given here?

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

Note, in particular, the link at the top of the page to 'Playing DVDs'.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From senectus at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 08:35:52 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:35:52 +0800
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>

I cooked my CPU this morning :-( so I'm swapping the mainboard and CPU
out from an A7n8x Asus (nforce2 chipset) and AMD Barton core 2800+,
over to an Asus A8v-MX (via K8M800 chipset) and AMD 64 3200+
Processor. Am I going to be able to do this without formatting and
reinstalling everything?

Is there any doco or procedure for a trick like this?

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 08:40:52 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:40:52 +0900
Subject: how to apply a patch/fix for a bug
Message-ID: <a937801a0512100040r486bd834w79352c18c39f27c1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I think I've found a remedy for a bug that I've found in EVolution.
The fix is at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=53906&action=view.

Please see Comment 6
(http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273905#c6)  or Comment 7
(http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273905#c7) in particular.
How do I apply either solutions?

I use Ubuntu Breezy. If you can help, please provide me with
instructions that a newbie would understand easily.


Thank you for helping a newbie.



From bassix at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 09:00:49 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:00:49 -0500
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439A9941.70409@gmail.com>

Senectus . wrote:
> I cooked my CPU this morning :-( so I'm swapping the mainboard and CPU
> out from an A7n8x Asus (nforce2 chipset) and AMD Barton core 2800+,
> over to an Asus A8v-MX (via K8M800 chipset) and AMD 64 3200+
> Processor. Am I going to be able to do this without formatting and
> reinstalling everything?
> 
> Is there any doco or procedure for a trick like this?

You might want to google for some pointers, but basically it is very 
straightforward. Remember to ground yourself. Make note of where all 
cables and connectors are on the existing board. Some of the more tricky 
ones are the several small connectors from the motherboard to the 
chassis items such as the power button, drive light indicators etc. 
Going from Asus to Asus should be pretty similar if not identical though.

As far as the operating system, everything should boot up just fine. As 
you're upgrading to AMD64, however, eventually you'll probably want to 
upgrade your Ubuntu kernel to the AMD64 variant someday.

Good luck!

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org



From ashwani at gisil.com  Sat Dec 10 09:00:09 2005
From: ashwani at gisil.com (Ashwani Jain)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:30:09 +0530
Subject: Outlook Address Book via LDAP
Message-ID: <1134205209.9984.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi

I am using Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy), I configured LDAP server over it and
build it to server as address book source.  Now Evolution users can use
the address book served by it but problem is MS Outlook users don't get
proper data for address book, probably a additional schema file has to
be added.

Kindly help me to configure address book for MS Outlook.  Don't have its
schema and don't know how to add entired using additional schema.  I
searched on net for Schema file but could not get one.

Thanks & regards

Ashwani Jain

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From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 09:09:08 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:09:08 +0000
Subject: ubuntu as server
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512091315y2700678fn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W14700102956831134115407@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<e40e29dd0512090400s3569cb05t@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512090427q75553099i@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512090442uee5847n@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512091315y2700678fn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512100109x7f743498g@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/12/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/12/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 09/12/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > There has been for over a year (and it's now the default).
> >
> > I know. What I was replying to was the desire to keep the repository
> > in a "file structure." I'm not sure exactly what he means. Subversion
> > uses a database backend, which varies by version.
>
> the fsfs backend isn't a database.

You're right. I stand corrected. I completely misunderstood what fsfs
was. I thought it was an improved database.

To answer the original question then:

svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs PATH

-Eamonn



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Sat Dec 10 09:10:14 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:10:14 +0100
Subject: xorg-driver-fglrx broken in Dapper - am I the only one?
In-Reply-To: <pablovp.1zt5ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1133118939.15903.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<pablovp.1zt5ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134205814.5054.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 23:43 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Im using vesa driver to run X now, waiting for a solution

Of course you could have used the ati driver :)
Anyway, it has been fixed for quite a while now. A remaining issue was
that, when running fglrx, logging out of X would crash the kernel, but I
haven't tried after the latest round of fglrx and kernel upgrades. 




From domeks at interia.pl  Sat Dec 10 09:29:50 2005
From: domeks at interia.pl (Dominik Szynk)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:29:50 +0100
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>

David Gonzalez Rivera napisał(a):
> Alfred Vahau wrote:
> 
>> Set this in your PATH which should be in /etc/profile.
>> Then export the PATH.
>> To flag the change, issue a command like
>> . profile (period profile). I'm assuming you're using (BA)SH shell.
>>
>> Alfred,
>>
>>
>> David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
>>> I have JRE installed (and JDK too)
>>>
>>> I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I 
>>> feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )
>>>
>>> Since I need this app, it tells me this
>>>
>>> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
>>> Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
>>>  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
>>>  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
>>>  to the installation directory of java.
>>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>>  We cannot execute java
>>> Bootstrap FAILED
>>> david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$
>>>
>>>
>>
> Ahh, got a little lost, more explanation? :(
> 
Hi

Probably during instalation process you will need to set param JAVA_HOME 
like a swich, which could be:

$./build.sh -JAVA_HOME=path_to_your_java_bin

it could look like this:

$./build.sh -JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_06/bin

or to your JDK dir:

$./build.sh -JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_04/bin

or something like that.
You can also add to your .bash_profile something like this:

export JAVA_HOME=$JAVA_HOME:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_04/bin

which should also work (it works for me ;-) )

-- 
Regards
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From ashwani at gisil.com  Sat Dec 10 09:32:58 2005
From: ashwani at gisil.com (Ashwani Jain)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:02:58 +0530
Subject: Postfix Problem
Message-ID: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi

I am using Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy).  My mail server is configured with a
ISP.  Now I want to configure Postfix to act as a local mail server for
my organisation.  For that I have configured it, its sending and
receiving mails successfully.  Problem I am facing is that

1..   when I download mail using fetchmail, fetchmail shows that it has
downloaded mails from server but that         mail but where it
downloads mail I don't know, mail does not come into users mail box.

2..  I have two type of accounts on my ISP server.  POP accounts and
forwarding(catchall) accounts.  POP account users directly download
mails from ISP server using Internet.  But forwarding mail account users
use my local mail server to send/receive(pop and smtp) mails and on
local mail server mails gets downloaded using fetchmail.  Problem is
when forwarding mail account user send mails to POP account users whose
account is not on the local mail server using my local mail server as
SMTP server, it returns error 'this mail account does not exist' and if
I create a account on local mail server for a POP user, than this SMTP
delivers mail to local made account instead of forwarding it to ISP mail
server POP account.  This is the biggest problem I am facing and
consulted with so many people but no one has idea about its solution.

Kindly help, this is a very common configuration and must be in use in
most of the organisation.  I am new to Mail server administration and
don't know how to do it.


Thanks & regards

Ashwani Jain

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From luca76 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 10:07:20 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:07:20 +0100
Subject: Totem problem
In-Reply-To: <Juissi.1ztc3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <bbda83370511241356q6893b9e5h597d908ca2843457@mail.gmail.com>
	<Juissi.1ztc3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512100207y42674dabt2a9eb51e3a54981c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> - install -totem-xine- which immediately solved this problem without
> side-effects.

yup. I did this step. The problem occured AFTER I installed
proprietary ATI drivers...



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 10:13:07 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:13:07 +0000
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
	<439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051210101307.GA10375@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:00:49AM -0500, Steve wrote:
> Senectus . wrote:
> >I cooked my CPU this morning :-( so I'm swapping the mainboard and CPU
> >out from an A7n8x Asus (nforce2 chipset) and AMD Barton core 2800+,
> >over to an Asus A8v-MX (via K8M800 chipset) and AMD 64 3200+
> >Processor. Am I going to be able to do this without formatting and
> >reinstalling everything?
> >
> >Is there any doco or procedure for a trick like this?
> 
> You might want to google for some pointers, but basically it is very 
> straightforward. Remember to ground yourself.
[snipped some good advice]

It's a good idea to ground the stuff that you're working on as well (so
you're at the same potential).

But, I would _strongly_ recommend using an earthing strap on your body
designed for the job or _don't_ use one at all. 

(If you don't have a proper earth strap, touch yourself to earth just
before you do the job, and then disconnect.)

Well designed earth straps have a high impedence in them so that if
you accidentally come into contact with a high voltage you're a bit
safer.

It's better to fry your (silicon) chips than yourself.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 10:45:44 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:45:44 +0000
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <3f1760512100245j6ae05dafh@mail.gmail.com>

PATH?

I think you mean 'set JAVA_HOME somewhere in /etc/profile'.
That has nothing to do with your PATH.



On 10/12/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
> Set this in your PATH which should be in /etc/profile.
> Then export the PATH.
> To flag the change, issue a command like
> . profile (period profile). I'm assuming you're using (BA)SH shell.
>
> Alfred,
>
>
> David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
> > I have JRE installed (and JDK too)
> >
> > I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I
> > feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )
> >
> > Since I need this app, it tells me this
> >
> > david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
> > Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
> >  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
> >  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
> >  to the installation directory of java.
> > Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
> >  We cannot execute java
> > Bootstrap FAILED
> > david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$
> >
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


--
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http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sat Dec 10 11:14:44 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:14:44 +0000
Subject: Blanking screen when in console [Actually *unsubscribe me at
	once I don't need my inbox filled by your rubbish etc etc*]
In-Reply-To: <4399F187.8030102@wadesmart.com>
References: <20041102002148.GA2981@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<1099355343.10723.3.camel@tyrosine>	<20041102011736.GA4131@cscience.org>
	<20041102022204.GB9152@luke-laptop.yelavich.home>
	<fourchannel.1zsigm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<000c01c5fd02$324260a0$6700a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
	<4399F187.8030102@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1134213284.8794.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 15:05 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12092005 1504 GMT-5
> 
> Why do not people just unsubscribe themselves?#

One of the great mysteries of the universe, that.  Seeing as they've had
to subscribe, which isn't that different a process;  clicking different
boxes on the same web page and replying to one email.

There is a chance that some email readers can strip off the message
footer that tells you how to do it, but even so...

I do have a ready drafted set of detailed step by step instructions
which I send directly (off list) to such benighted souls.  Strangely
I've never had a thankyou, but I haven't been flamed for it yet either.

Neil

> Ted Holm wrote:
> 
> >Please remove me from the list ASAP.
> >Ted Holm
> >
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From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 11:36:06 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:36:06 +0000
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512100245j6ae05dafh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
	<3f1760512100245j6ae05dafh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512100336k127b877es@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:
> PATH?
>
> I think you mean 'set JAVA_HOME somewhere in /etc/profile'.
> That has nothing to do with your PATH.
>
>
>
> On 10/12/05, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg> wrote:
> > Set this in your PATH which should be in /etc/profile.
> > Then export the PATH.
> > To flag the change, issue a command like
> > . profile (period profile). I'm assuming you're using (BA)SH shell.
> >
> > Alfred,
> >
> >
> > David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a way to set the JAVA_HOME?
> > > I have JRE installed (and JDK too)
> > >
> > > I'm trying to compile jEdit (Yes I know I can download the deb, but I
> > > feeling a bit bored so I prefer learning a bit more :) )
> > >
> > > Since I need this app, it tells me this
> > >
> > > david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$ ./build.sh
> > > Warning: JAVA_HOME environment variable not set.
> > >  If build fails because sun.* classes could not be found
> > >  you will need to set the JAVA_HOME environment variable
> > >  to the installation directory of java.
> > > Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
> > >  We cannot execute java
> > > Bootstrap FAILED
> > > david at akulinux:~/Files/apache-ant-1.6.5$
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
> --
> Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
> http://number9.hellooperator.net/
>


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 11:36:13 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:36:13 +0000
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com> <439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>
Message-ID: <3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Dominik Szynk <domeks at interia.pl> wrote:


> $./build.sh -JAVA_HOME=path_to_your_java_bin

Is Google broken or something?

JAVA_HOME should *not* be the bin/ directory.
Add something like


   JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/
   PATH=$PATH:${JAVA_HOME}/bin
   export PATH JAVA_HOME

to /etc/profile.

--
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http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From senectus at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 11:44:29 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:44:29 +0800
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
	<439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512100344h10bad743tfaec5e619d690bd7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> Senectus . wrote:
> > I cooked my CPU this morning :-( so I'm swapping the mainboard and CPU
> > out from an A7n8x Asus (nforce2 chipset) and AMD Barton core 2800+,
> > over to an Asus A8v-MX (via K8M800 chipset) and AMD 64 3200+
> > Processor. Am I going to be able to do this without formatting and
> > reinstalling everything?
> >
> > Is there any doco or procedure for a trick like this?
>
> You might want to google for some pointers, but basically it is very
> straightforward. Remember to ground yourself. Make note of where all
> cables and connectors are on the existing board. Some of the more tricky
> ones are the several small connectors from the motherboard to the
> chassis items such as the power button, drive light indicators etc.
> Going from Asus to Asus should be pretty similar if not identical though.
>
> As far as the operating system, everything should boot up just fine. As
> you're upgrading to AMD64, however, eventually you'll probably want to
> upgrade your Ubuntu kernel to the AMD64 variant someday.
>
> Good luck!
Thanks :-)
yeah I know about the hardware setup.. it's booted up now and it looks
like the X and nvidia side of it has spat the dummy.
Is there some command your re-running the nvidia/X.org setup??

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 11:56:32 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:56:32 +0000
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512100344h10bad743tfaec5e619d690bd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
	<439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512100344h10bad743tfaec5e619d690bd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512100356x4f5e4446i@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/10/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Senectus . wrote:
> > > I cooked my CPU this morning :-( so I'm swapping the mainboard and CPU
> > > out from an A7n8x Asus (nforce2 chipset) and AMD Barton core 2800+,
> > > over to an Asus A8v-MX (via K8M800 chipset) and AMD 64 3200+
> > > Processor. Am I going to be able to do this without formatting and
> > > reinstalling everything?
> > >
> > > Is there any doco or procedure for a trick like this?
> >
> > You might want to google for some pointers, but basically it is very
> > straightforward. Remember to ground yourself. Make note of where all
> > cables and connectors are on the existing board. Some of the more tricky
> > ones are the several small connectors from the motherboard to the
> > chassis items such as the power button, drive light indicators etc.
> > Going from Asus to Asus should be pretty similar if not identical though.
> >
> > As far as the operating system, everything should boot up just fine. As
> > you're upgrading to AMD64, however, eventually you'll probably want to
> > upgrade your Ubuntu kernel to the AMD64 variant someday.
> >
> > Good luck!
> Thanks :-)
> yeah I know about the hardware setup.. it's booted up now and it looks
> like the X and nvidia side of it has spat the dummy.
> Is there some command your re-running the nvidia/X.org setup??

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

That'll probably do it for you.

-Eamonn



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sat Dec 10 12:06:31 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:06:31 -0800
Subject: Postfix Problem
In-Reply-To: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134216390.4281.46.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 01:32, Ashwani Jain wrote:
> I am using Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy).  My mail server is configured with a
> ISP.  Now I want to configure Postfix to act as a local mail server
> for my organisation.  For that I have configured it, its sending and
> receiving mails successfully.  Problem I am facing is that
> 
> 1..   when I download mail using fetchmail, fetchmail shows that it
> has downloaded mails from server but that         mail but where it
> downloads mail I don't know, mail does not come into users mail box.
> 
> 2..  I have two type of accounts on my ISP server.  POP accounts and
> forwarding(catchall) accounts.  POP account users directly download
> mails from ISP server using Internet.  But forwarding mail account
> users use my local mail server to send/receive(pop and smtp) mails and
> on local mail server mails gets downloaded using fetchmail.  Problem
> is when forwarding mail account user send mails to POP account users
> whose account is not on the local mail server using my local mail
> server as SMTP server, it returns error 'this mail account does not
> exist' and if I create a account on local mail server for a POP user,
> than this SMTP delivers mail to local made account instead of
> forwarding it to ISP mail server POP account.  This is the biggest
> problem I am facing and consulted with so many people but no one has
> idea about its solution.
> 
> Kindly help, this is a very common configuration and must be in use in
> most of the organisation.  I am new to Mail server administration and
> don't know how to do it.

1) Mail server administration is not easy.
2) This is not a common configuration.
3) That configuration is difficult.

A lot of effort with the Postfix documentation will probably
enable you to achieve that configuration but I suggest that
you would be much better off if you either (a) split the two
kinds of users into two different domains or (b) handle all
users locally or (c) handle all users at the ISP.

If you really want to proceed you could read "man 5 postconf"
but you're probably better off looking at the documentation
at postfix.org which is better organised:

  http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html

The luser_relay parameter may be what you're looking for,
although I confess I've never tried it:

  http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#luser_relay

--Mike Bird




From david at kenpro.com.au  Sat Dec 10 12:17:43 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:17:43 +1100
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
Message-ID: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>


I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.

Apache2 binary has vanished without trace. 

When I do 
david at test:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
nothing happens at all. 

david at test:~ $ sudo apache2ctl configtest
/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 88: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory

The last mention of apache in /var/log/dpkg.log says:

2005-12-10 22:24:56 status half-configured apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3
2005-12-10 22:24:56 status installed apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3

If anyone can tell me what happened to the apache2 binary, or where else I 
might have gone wrong, I would be most grateful. I don't want to completely 
re-install apache2 because I don't want to mess up the nice config that was 
working perfectly before the upgrade.

I'm also a bit worried what else might turn up missing, since this is the 
first thing that i tried :(



From msplival at jagor.srce.hr  Sat Dec 10 12:24:15 2005
From: msplival at jagor.srce.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:24:15 +0100
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
Message-ID: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

My good company purchased me a new IBM ThinkPad R52, which is all neat,
with that orange light and stuff. My old laptop was Gericom Hummer, wich
had 6 USB slots, no wireless, no PCMCIA, had conexant modem, and stuff.
IBM has PCMCIA, has wireless (Intel W2200/Pro something), and stuff...

I just partimaged the partitions originaly set up by IBM, and I want to
have just one big ext3 partition. When I do mkfs.ext3, may I just copy
the files from the old laptop to the new laptop (old laptop also had
only one partition, and new laptop has 20 Gigs more of the hard disk
space)? I tought i could use tar|nc to copy the files. What am I
supposed to do with grub to be able to boot on new laptop?
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should also be run, anything else? I think
I know how to setup wireless (I even think I won't be needing the
ndiswrapper, I hope not!), but what do I need to do with PCMCIa?

Or would it be better to put in the Ubuntu Install CD, install the
system, then copy the .deb packages installed on old laptop
to /var/cache/apt/archives, and install all of them, and at the end just
move the home directory?

Somehow first option seems significantly faster, I'm just not sure how
much fuss is to set up the system when I just copy the files?

	Mike
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Sat Dec 10 12:24:38 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:24:38 +0100
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
Message-ID: <1134217478.8442.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

My good company purchased me a new IBM ThinkPad R52, which is all neat,
with that orange light and stuff. My old laptop was Gericom Hummer, wich
had 6 USB slots, no wireless, no PCMCIA, had conexant modem, and stuff.
IBM has PCMCIA, has wireless (Intel W2200/Pro something), and stuff...

I just partimaged the partitions originaly set up by IBM, and I want to
have just one big ext3 partition. When I do mkfs.ext3, may I just copy
the files from the old laptop to the new laptop (old laptop also had
only one partition, and new laptop has 20 Gigs more of the hard disk
space)? I tought i could use tar|nc to copy the files. What am I
supposed to do with grub to be able to boot on new laptop?
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should also be run, anything else? I think
I know how to setup wireless (I even think I won't be needing the
ndiswrapper, I hope not!), but what do I need to do with PCMCIa?

Or would it be better to put in the Ubuntu Install CD, install the
system, then copy the .deb packages installed on old laptop
to /var/cache/apt/archives, and install all of them, and at the end just
move the home directory?

Somehow first option seems significantly faster, I'm just not sure how
much fuss is to set up the system when I just copy the files?

	Mike
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sat Dec 10 12:34:59 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:34:59 -0800
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:
> I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
> then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
> 
> Apache2 binary has vanished without trace. 
> 
> When I do 
> david at test:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
> nothing happens at all. 
> 
> david at test:~ $ sudo apache2ctl configtest
> /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 88: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory
> 
> The last mention of apache in /var/log/dpkg.log says:
> 
> 2005-12-10 22:24:56 status half-configured apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3
> 2005-12-10 22:24:56 status installed apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3
> 
> If anyone can tell me what happened to the apache2 binary, or where else I 
> might have gone wrong, I would be most grateful. I don't want to completely 
> re-install apache2 because I don't want to mess up the nice config that was 
> working perfectly before the upgrade.
> 
> I'm also a bit worried what else might turn up missing, since this is the 
> first thing that i tried :(

Variants of the apache2 binary are contained in the various MPM
packages, not apache2-common.  We use apache2-mpm-prefork but
there are other choices.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 12:23:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:23:59 -0500
Subject: Postfix Problem
References: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134216390.4281.46.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <Koybe.1ztqwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hello, maybe you can detail a bit... give your configurations files, log
files... And I hope I can give a little help.


-- 
Koybe



From albi at scii.nl  Sat Dec 10 12:39:13 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:39:13 +0100
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
In-Reply-To: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051210133913.75a4a983.albi@scii.nl>

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:24:15 +0100
Mario Splivalo <msplival at jagor.srce.hr> wrote:

> I just partimaged the partitions originaly set up by IBM, and I want
> to have just one big ext3 partition. When I do mkfs.ext3, may I just
> copy the files from the old laptop to the new laptop (old laptop also
> had only one partition, and new laptop has 20 Gigs more of the hard
> disk space)? I tought i could use tar|nc to copy the files. What am I
> supposed to do with grub to be able to boot on new laptop?

boot from a live-cd, chroot into your "new" install, run
grub-install /dev/hda and cross fingers etc.

> Or would it be better to put in the Ubuntu Install CD, install the
> system, then copy the .deb packages installed on old laptop
> to /var/cache/apt/archives, and install all of them, and at the end
> just move the home directory?
> 
> Somehow first option seems significantly faster, I'm just not sure how
> much fuss is to set up the system when I just copy the files?

i'd go for the new install and copy over your home-dir,
you can use kickstart to speed up the install (read : answer far less
questions during install so you can do other things)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KickstartCompatibility

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From senectus at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 12:42:57 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:42:57 +0800
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512100356x4f5e4446i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>
	<439A9941.70409@gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512100344h10bad743tfaec5e619d690bd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512100356x4f5e4446i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512100442v351a136ayf0e0e37f2a9acc51@mail.gmail.com>

Ok I fixed that one.. I was dumb and forgot to plug the nvidia card
into power :-P
now GDM starts fine.. and I log in, but after I log in it just gives
me a brown screen with no icons or panels (and the mouse cursor is
there as well) plus the loading splash never came up either.
Any idea's why Gnome is broken?


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From david at kenpro.com.au  Sat Dec 10 13:04:21 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:04:21 +1100
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:34:59AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:
> > I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
> > then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
> > 
> > Apache2 binary has vanished without trace. 
> > 
> > When I do 
> > david at test:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
> > nothing happens at all. 
> > 
> > david at test:~ $ sudo apache2ctl configtest
> > /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 88: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory
> > 
> > The last mention of apache in /var/log/dpkg.log says:
> > 
> > 2005-12-10 22:24:56 status half-configured apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3
> > 2005-12-10 22:24:56 status installed apache2-common 2.0.54-5ubuntu3

> 
> Variants of the apache2 binary are contained in the various MPM
> packages, not apache2-common.  We use apache2-mpm-prefork but
> there are other choices.

thanks for your prompt reply, but it gives rise to some questions:

* Should I have done <$ sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork> and if
so how will that affect any configs?

* when I upgrade my MAIN webserver.... the one that really matters... what
should I do to avoid the same problem?

* Why would a simple upgrade make apache2 binary disappear? It just seems 
to have been deleted. I've done sudo updatedb/locate apache2, and apache2 
binary has just vanished.

* What are the MPM packages? and how does this relate to upgrading from 
hoary to breezy? Is this something I should have "known", and if so, how? I 
didn't see anything in the upgrade or the logs about it. 

As a quick and dirty work-around, I copied the apache 2.0.53 binary from my 
other web server, and luckily it works :) I'm sure that's not the right 
thing to do.

kind regards and thanks...

David.


Further research:
<quote>
$ apt-cache show apache2-mpm-prefork
<snip>
Description: traditional model for Apache2
 This Multi-Processing Module (MPM) implements a non-threaded,
 pre-forking web server that handles requests in a manner similar to
 Apache 1.3. It is appropriate for sites that need to avoid threading for
 compatibility with non-thread-safe libraries. It is also the best MPM
 for isolating each request, so that a problem with a single request will
 not affect any other.
 .
 It is not as fast, but is considered to be more stable.
</quote>

I'm assuming this means that a different variant of apache has been chosen 
for ubuntu for the sake of stability. Is that right?



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 13:17:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:17:08 -0500
Subject: Hotplug hangs Shuttle ST20G5 AMD64
References: <1130465327.8393.10.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
	<sundman.1y76km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <kuebler.1ztsra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hello!



Ubuntu 5.10 ist runnig perfectly on st20g5 after disabling sound in
BIOS.


-- 
kuebler



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 13:29:54 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:29:54 +0000
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:04:21AM +1100, David wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:34:59AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:

> > > I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
> > > then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
[snip]

> thanks for your prompt reply, but it gives rise to some questions:

I notice above that you did 'apt-get upgrade', was that a typo?  (It
should be 'dist-upgrade'.)

Do you have any packages held back if you run that command now?

If so 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should fix that (bringing in the missing
apache stuff).
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sat Dec 10 14:19:47 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:19:47 -0400
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>
	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>
	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>
	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>

Dick Davies wrote:

>On 10/12/05, Dominik Szynk <domeks at interia.pl> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>$./build.sh -JAVA_HOME=path_to_your_java_bin
>>    
>>
>
>Is Google broken or something?
>
>JAVA_HOME should *not* be the bin/ directory.
>Add something like
>
>
>   JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/
>   PATH=$PATH:${JAVA_HOME}/bin
>   export PATH JAVA_HOME
>
>to /etc/profile.
>
>--
>Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
>http://number9.hellooperator.net/
>
>  
>
well i tried both and none works =/



From chris at bitspace.org  Sat Dec 10 14:35:13 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:35:13 -0500
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>
	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>

I'm somewhat amazed that out of the nearly dozen or so responses, not a 
single one was even close to correct.

You want to create an environment variable called "JAVA_HOME" that 
references the base directory of the installation of your JRE or JDK. 
For example, on my machine, I've got Sun's JDK 1.5.0_05 in 
/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05. In my .profile ($HOME/.profile) I've put the 
following two lines:

JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
export JAVA_HOME

Easy as pie. If you just want to set it temporarily for your current shell:

export JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"

HTH,
Chris

-- 
 Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 14:37:34 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:37:34 +0200
Subject: Monitor not automatically switching off
Message-ID: <1134225454.8570.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have enabled power management from my monitor and selected times for
blanking the monitor, standby and switching off. It doesn't always work
though. Most of the time it just puts on the screensaver and leaves it
running.

I then put time only for switching off and set the other two timers to
0, but the problem persisted.




From domeks at interia.pl  Sat Dec 10 15:14:32 2005
From: domeks at interia.pl (Dominik 'des' Szynk)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:14:32 +0100
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
	<439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
Message-ID: <439AF0D8.7010007@interia.pl>

Chris Woods napisał(a):
> I'm somewhat amazed that out of the nearly dozen or so responses, not a 
> single one was even close to correct.
> 
> You want to create an environment variable called "JAVA_HOME" that 
> references the base directory of the installation of your JRE or JDK. 
> For example, on my machine, I've got Sun's JDK 1.5.0_05 in 
> /usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05. In my .profile ($HOME/.profile) I've put the 
> following two lines:
> 
> JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
> export JAVA_HOME
> 
> Easy as pie. If you just want to set it temporarily for your current shell:
> 
> export JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
> 
> HTH,
> Chris
> 
I mean all depends where you unpack java libs. I have jdk in 
/usr/java/xxx which is maybe not the right dir but it works on my 
machine ;-)

-- 
Regards
  Dominik Szynk
--

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 15:16:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:16:05 -0500
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com><439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
	<439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
Message-ID: <MakubeX.1ztyba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I got these lines in my /etc/bash.bashrc file:



PATH="${PATH}:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_05/bin"

export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_05/



..works for me.


-- 
MakubeX



From senectus at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 15:30:06 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:30:06 +0800
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like I've broken my Gnome profile and now I can't log into
gnome.. what do i need to delete in my profile to "reset Gnome" back
to what it would be by default (not including firefox etc)
--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sat Dec 10 16:03:38 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:03:38 -0400
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
	<439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
Message-ID: <439AFC5A.4060305@davidgonz.com>

Chris Woods wrote:

> I'm somewhat amazed that out of the nearly dozen or so responses, not 
> a single one was even close to correct.
>
> You want to create an environment variable called "JAVA_HOME" that 
> references the base directory of the installation of your JRE or JDK. 
> For example, on my machine, I've got Sun's JDK 1.5.0_05 in 
> /usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05. In my .profile ($HOME/.profile) I've put 
> the following two lines:
>
> JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
> export JAVA_HOME
>
> Easy as pie. If you just want to set it temporarily for your current 
> shell:
>
> export JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
>
> HTH,
> Chris
>
Thanks a lot Chris, that really helped!



From bassix at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 16:52:01 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:52:01 -0500
Subject: Swapping the mainboard and CPU out... what do I need to know?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512100442v351a136ayf0e0e37f2a9acc51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100035g2864e06ag3c8b1d0f57199928@mail.gmail.com>	<439A9941.70409@gmail.com>	<d12e5c90512100344h10bad743tfaec5e619d690bd7@mail.gmail.com>	<e40e29dd0512100356x4f5e4446i@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512100442v351a136ayf0e0e37f2a9acc51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439B07B1.8040000@gmail.com>

Senectus . wrote:
> Ok I fixed that one.. I was dumb and forgot to plug the nvidia card
> into power :-P
> now GDM starts fine.. and I log in, but after I log in it just gives
> me a brown screen with no icons or panels (and the mouse cursor is
> there as well) plus the loading splash never came up either.
> Any idea's why Gnome is broken?

CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE will not restart it? Occasionally X server does not 
work properly even on logging in (for me anyway), and usually this does 
it. May have to type "startx" if it actually drops you to a commandline.

I'm not sure what else it could be...

-Steve.
-- 
Thunderbird :: Reclaim your Inbox :: getthunderbird.com
Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sat Dec 10 17:07:18 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:07:18 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
Message-ID: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, I'm trying to gain remote access to my brother's computer for
maintenance and training.

VNC appears the way to go for training, as we can share a desktop live.
Freenx seems to be the answer for maintenance as it is faster, though I
will need to install the server on his machine before being able to use
it.

Nxviewer, called from the command line seems to be a good vnc client,
but I can't find a decent description of the command line options.  A
list is easy to find, but nothing descriptive.  Does anyone know a
source for this?  By trial and error, I've found the key one, which is
-bgr233, giving 256 colour (one byte per pixel) for faster screen
redraws.  Are any of the others documented anywhere?

Neil
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From ed at fletcher.ca  Sat Dec 10 17:23:20 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:23:20 -0800
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
In-Reply-To: <1134199777.8570.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
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Giorgos wrote:
| On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 21:55 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
|
|
|>You weren't using a mountable filesystem were you?  I had this happen
|>when I used nautilus to delete files from a USB hard drive and then
|>unmounted the drive before emptying the trash.  I couldn't get rid of
|>them except by opening a terminal, cd'ing to the trash directory and
|>doing it by hand.  Or by reattaching the usb drive and then it would
|>work from the panel icon menu.
|>
|>Drove me nuts until I figured it out.
|>
|
|
| I do use a USB drive at times, but the files that wouldn't get deleted
| were not from that drive. Files deleted from that USB drive go to
| the .Trash.(name) in the same drive.
|
|

That's true, but they still appear in the Trash icon at the bottom right
corner of your screen.  I thought that might be what had happened.

If that's not the case, then I don't know what's going on.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 17:22:55 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:22:55 +0000
Subject: Xdvi can't allocate enough colors?
Message-ID: <86wticlvdc.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I got an warning from xdvi,

"Couldn't allocate enough colors - expect low display quality."

Any idea?

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.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
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.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
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From luca76 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 17:45:09 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:45:09 +0100
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, there's a guide to optimize ubuntu for speed?
--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 17:55:30 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:55:30 +0000
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
References: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86bqzoltv1.fsf@gmail.com>

try ubuntuforums in the tips & howto

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. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 18:04:32 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:04:32 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
In-Reply-To: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 05:07:18PM +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to gain remote access to my brother's computer for
> maintenance and training.

What you don't say is what Desktop/OS you and your brother are using.
Gnome/Kde/WinXP/Win98...???  It's difficult to suggest anything
without knowing what is connecting to what.

Most of the modern systems have something built in and I would try them 
first.

Ubuntu/Gnome has Terminal Server Client which works well over fast and
slow links and even does sound when connected to WinXP.

KDE has one (forgotten the name) with the nice feature that you can 
shrink the screen (so you don't have to scroll) when you're connected to
a higher resolution box.

[snip] 

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec 10 18:09:37 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:09:37 -0500
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134238177.12270.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:45 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, there's a guide to optimize ubuntu for speed?

If you're not married to GNOME, you can always try XFCE. Try Abiword and
Gnumeric instead of OOo and Epiphany instead of firefox. Also, Slypheed
can replace Evolution. See also:

http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=517&slide=25&title=xubuntu+5.10+screenshots
-- 
                                                   brian at brianpuccio.net
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From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 18:18:42 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:18:42 +0900
Subject: how to upgrade to the new version of Evolution
Message-ID: <a937801a0512101018n1d5f2b29yec09bf03522a35d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I heard that a new version of Evolution is coming out this Monday. It
will be a developer version. I hear that this version will clear up a
lot of bugs from the current version. How do I upgrade to this
upcoming version?

I'm a breezy user.



From slzatz at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 18:45:44 2005
From: slzatz at gmail.com (Steve Zatz)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:45:44 -0500
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
Message-ID: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>

I thought that I had seen a configuration menu that let you enable or
disable applications like mysql and apache2 at startup but I can't find it,
and I may have been imagining things.  I am aware of applications like
rcconf but I am wondering if there is a gnome app that allows you to manage
startup applications.  I realize that there is a Sessions management menu
item under Preferences but that seems (not surprisingly) to manage
session-specific applications and not the general startup sequence.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 18:53:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:53:57 -0500
Subject: USB key on IBM Thinkpad
References: <50426.68.159.142.6.1123627850.squirrel@www.pointcontrol.com>
Message-ID: <rrenomeron.1zu8hy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Barry Tice Wrote: 
> 

> I installed Ubuntu for the first time this morning, from an iso
> downloaded

> last night. It went on (wiped) an IBM Thinkpad 390E that previously
> had

> Fedora Core 1 on it.

> 

> With FC1, I was able to access a USB key drive. I have not been able to
> do

> so under Ubuntu. Any information about why this would be the case would
> be

> most appreciated.

> 

> I went into the #ubuntu IRC channel, where someone who was trying to
> help

> requestedthe  information returned  from dmesg, lshal, lspci, lsusb
> and

> lsmod commands. They can be found in the pastebins at:

> 

> dmesg: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1086

> lshal: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1087

> lspci: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1088

> lsusb: (No information returned)

> lsmod: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1090

> 



I ran into this exact same problem recently when I resurrected my old
IBM Thinkpad 390E and installed Ubuntu on it.  I found a solution.



Short answer: put "acpi=off" at the end of the kernel command line.



Geeky Details: For some reason, the kernel can't see the USB controller
(see line 200 of the 'dmesg' (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1086), the
lack of output from lsusb is another good indicator).  In the past, I'd
had success with devices the kernel couldn't find on another laptop by
disabling various acpi bits on the kernel command line.  So, on a lark,
I tried this, and it worked.



Hope the original poster hasn't given up on this.



Rich


-- 
rrenomeron



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 19:14:41 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:14:41 +0000
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512101114h6a2f6684i@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Steve Zatz <slzatz at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought that I had seen a configuration menu that let you enable or
> disable applications like mysql and apache2 at startup but I can't find it,
> and I may have been imagining things.  I am aware of applications like
> rcconf but I am wondering if there is a gnome app that allows you to manage
> startup applications.  I realize that there is a Sessions management menu
> item under Preferences but that seems (not surprisingly) to manage
> session-specific applications and not the general startup sequence.

On breezy, you can find that under System/Administration/Services.

-Eamonn



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 19:18:53 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:18:53 +0000
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051210191853.GB13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:45:44PM -0500, Steve Zatz wrote:
> I thought that I had seen a configuration menu that let you enable or
> disable applications like mysql and apache2 at startup but I can't find it,
> and I may have been imagining things.
[snip]

  System -> Administration -> Services

is what I think you're referring to.

>  I am aware of applications like
> rcconf but I am wondering if there is a gnome app that allows you to manage
> startup applications.
[snip]

I use rcconf myself as the applet above doesn't have entries for many
services that I have installed and I can never remember the %&*$^*]
syntax to update-rc.d

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From olafra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 19:22:29 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:22:29 +0000
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512100945o1d8e2979s200c7299eec9f120@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101122g35c3aac4x@mail.gmail.com>

You can also install xubuntu to access xfce which is a lite desktop.

Do sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the terminal. Find DefaultDepth
and change it to 16 or 8 (but 8 is to extreme in most cases).
Then you have to restart X ( you can do that by doing ctrl-alt-backspace)
they you have less colors.

Disable panel animation:
gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/panel/global/enable_animations false

Go to System->Preferences->Theme and change the theme by going to
Theme Details. Choose something lite like Raleigh or Simple for
Controls and Atlanta or Esco for Window.

Go to Nautilus and Edit->Preferences->Preview and use Never for all.

Go to System->Preferences->Menus And Toolbars and unselect
Show icons in menu you can also change the Toolbar button label to only
Text.

Disable using Nautilus for the desktop:
gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false

Turn off unessisary virtual terminals:
sudo gedit /etc/inittab and put # in front of
these lines:
3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6

The you can follow this guide to tuning your hardrive for speed, this
is important if you have little memory and other wise. This might
freeze your computer then just restart. Then when you found the right
one just do: sudo gedit /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
and add that line to your file.
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html?page=1

I also stubled opon this guide if you find it usefull:
http://lintellect.org/index.php?p=13

Hope this helps.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/10, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com>:
> Hi, there's a guide to optimize ubuntu for speed?
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From olafra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 20:31:09 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:31:09 +0000
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101231o5c988c54k@mail.gmail.com>

do mv .gnome2 .gnome2old the try again. You can access the terminal
by changing the the Session in GDM but try also Failsafe GNOME.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/10, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com>:
> It looks like I've broken my Gnome profile and now I can't log into
> gnome.. what do i need to delete in my profile to "reset Gnome" back
> to what it would be by default (not including firefox etc)
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From olafra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 20:43:56 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:43:56 +0000
Subject: how to apply a patch/fix for a bug
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512100040r486bd834w79352c18c39f27c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512100040r486bd834w79352c18c39f27c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101243l5c00741bq@mail.gmail.com>

do apt-get source evolution-data-server in the terminal
then do sudo apt-get build-dep evolution-data-server
you have to have the source repository enabled in Synaptic
cd to evolution-data-server-(version)
save the patch to file and then mv thepatchfile
debian/patches/category-fix.patch
then do sudo dpkg-buildpackage if that workes then do
sudo dpkg -i ../evolution-data-server-(something).deb

Also file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com linking to the patch, so if will be
fixed.

Olafur Arason

2005/12/10, Jeff Co <hanzjordan at gmail.com>:
> Hello,
> I think I've found a remedy for a bug that I've found in EVolution.
> The fix is at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=53906&action=view.
>
> Please see Comment 6
> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273905#c6)  or Comment 7
> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273905#c7) in particular.
> How do I apply either solutions?
>
> I use Ubuntu Breezy. If you can help, please provide me with
> instructions that a newbie would understand easily.
>
>
> Thank you for helping a newbie.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sat Dec 10 20:46:00 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:46:00 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
In-Reply-To: <20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <1134247560.8794.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:04 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 05:07:18PM +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> > Hi, I'm trying to gain remote access to my brother's computer for
> > maintenance and training.
> 
> What you don't say is what Desktop/OS you and your brother are using.
> Gnome/Kde/WinXP/Win98...???  It's difficult to suggest anything
> without knowing what is connecting to what.

Ubuntu with Gnome at both ends.

> 
> Most of the modern systems have something built in and I would try them 
> first.
> 
> Ubuntu/Gnome has Terminal Server Client which works well over fast and
> slow links and even does sound when connected to WinXP.

Yes, though I've found the cursor and redraws seem to lag compared to
Nxviewer, which is why I'm trying that for now.  The one problem I have
with Nxviewer is that the command line options aren't well documented.
I can find lists of them, but no proper explanations of what they do...

> 
> KDE has one (forgotten the name) with the nice feature that you can 
> shrink the screen (so you don't have to scroll) when you're connected to
> a higher resolution box.

Not a problem here, as I'm running a nice big 1600x1200 screen on my
box.  Could be handy for working the other way round though.

Neil
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From olafra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 20:53:26 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:53:26 +0000
Subject: How to make sudo ask for a password?
In-Reply-To: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101253l583820dco@mail.gmail.com>

Add you self to the admin group by doing:
 adduser theusername admin
then take your self out of the sudoers file.
Hope it helps.
Also you are not allways promted for the password
it has a limted lease so you don't have to repeatedly
supply your password.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/10, Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmail.com>:
> I use Kubuntu Breezy. For some unknown reason I can do sudo
> without a password. That doesn't seem very secure. How can I
> change that? I want to be asked for a password.
>
> Actually I don't even need to do sudo at all. If I just click on
> e.g. the synaptic icon, the program starts without asking me
> anything, and allows me to do anything.
>
> I'm not running as root. But when I installed I chose expert mode
> (to be able to de create a separate home partition), so a root
> account was created. After that I had to add myself to the
> sudoers file in order to use sudo.
>
> My sudoers file has this:
>
>   Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
>   root ALL=(ALL) ALL
>   %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
>
> The only time I need to provide my password, is when I log in
> to KDE or Gnome (I almost always use KDE).
>
> Doing "sudo -k" does not change anything.
>
> This problem started with Breezy. In Hoary everything worked as
> documented. (But my Hoary was not installed in expert mode.)
>
> What can I do? Please help.
>
> --
> Bertil Wennergren <http://bertilow.com>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 20:45:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:45:44 -0500
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512101231o5c988c54k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zue1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


delete iceauthority as gnome won't load if corrupted and it will
automatically be recreated


-- 
teaker1s



From olafra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 20:59:49 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:59:49 +0000
Subject: festival installation
In-Reply-To: <4399ABA6.5000502@inter.nl.net>
References: <4399ABA6.5000502@inter.nl.net>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101259v7300dd12u@mail.gmail.com>

try doing apt-get source festival
then you can do sudo apt-get build-dep festival
then do cd festival-(version)
then when you are done with adding your voices you can do
sudo dpkg-buildpackage

Olafur Arson
2005/12/9, frans bos <frans.bos at inter.nl.net>:
> I want to extend my Festival installation in Ubuntu 5.10. with a Dutch
> speaking unit. Now I need to recompile the whole set of Festival files.
> There is only one problem Is there somebody who knows how Festival is
> configured. It is done in a "Ubuntu Debian" style and for this I need
> the config and probely the source files.
>
> Can somebody help me.
>
> Frans Bos
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Sat Dec 10 21:00:17 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:00:17 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VNC
Message-ID: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>


My employer has provided VNC facilities for many people but its all
Windows based. They have no software for Linux.

The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca


Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VNC viewers I have tried
don't accept so many parameters.

Cheers

Frank McCormick




-- 



From slzatz at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:27:30 2005
From: slzatz at gmail.com (Steve Zatz)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:27:30 -0500
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <20051210191853.GB13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051210191853.GB13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <6b21d8370512101327r27482321w986802c511d330fe@mail.gmail.com>

> System -> Administration -> Services
Sitting there right in front  of me.  Thanks.
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:46:26 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:46:26 +0000
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com> <439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>
	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>
	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com> <439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
Message-ID: <86hd9gaaml.fsf@gmail.com>

Chris Woods <chris at bitspace.org> writes:

 | I'm somewhat amazed that out of the nearly dozen or so responses, not
 | a single one was even close to correct.
 | 
 | You want to create an environment variable called "JAVA_HOME" that
 | references the base directory of the installation of your JRE or
 | JDK. For example, on my machine, I've got Sun's JDK 1.5.0_05 in
 | /usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05. In my .profile ($HOME/.profile) I've put
 | the following two lines:
 | 
 | JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
 | export JAVA_HOME
 | 
 | Easy as pie. If you just want to set it temporarily for your current shell:
 | 
 | export JAVA_HOME="/usr/local/java/jdk1.5_05"
 | 
 | HTH,
 | Chris

It seems to me if you set anything in .profile and login with GDM, you
got nothing set all.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Sat Dec 10 21:50:42 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:50:42 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VNC
In-Reply-To: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <439B4DB2.4070700@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

Frank McCormick wrote:

>My employer has provided VNC facilities for many people but its all
>Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
>
>The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
>group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
>
>
>Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VNC viewers I have tried
>don't accept so many parameters.
>
>Cheers
>
>Frank McCormick
>
>
>
>
>  
>
Sounds like more of a connection using a VPN and RDP...not VCN.

Mike K.



From david at kenpro.com.au  Sat Dec 10 22:11:09 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:11:09 +1100
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051210221108.GC5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:29:54PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:04:21AM +1100, David wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:34:59AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:
> 
> > > > I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
> > > > then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
> [snip]
> 
> > thanks for your prompt reply, but it gives rise to some questions:
> 
> I notice above that you did 'apt-get upgrade', was that a typo?  (It
> should be 'dist-upgrade'.)
> 
> Do you have any packages held back if you run that command now?
> 
> If so 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should fix that (bringing in the missing
> apache stuff).
>  

not a typo.... a result of working too late at night. 

I'll do apt-get dist-upgrade and see what happens.

Thanks.

David.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 22:01:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:01:13 -0500
Subject: Gnucash on breezy
References: <435D29E4.60306@telaneos.com>
	<easy_target.1xsism@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <easy_target.1zuhra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Nothing? Is there at least a way to substitute those fonts? Please!


-- 
easy_target



From m at px0.de  Sat Dec 10 22:32:19 2005
From: m at px0.de (Maximilian Gerlach)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:32:19 +0100
Subject: Gnucash on breezy
In-Reply-To: <easy_target.1zuhra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <435D29E4.60306@telaneos.com>
	<easy_target.1xsism@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<easy_target.1zuhra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <2E1BA500-7253-4079-A0E3-3483235F800F@px0.de>

Just a thought; Have you installed msttcorefonts?

Best regards,
Maxi



From coldrick at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 22:46:22 2005
From: coldrick at gmail.com (David Coldrick)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:46:22 +1100
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <86hd9gaaml.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com> <439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>
	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com> <439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>
	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>
	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com> <439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org>
	<86hd9gaaml.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98529bf40512101446i305a82fbs7fa3748cf78bf82c@mail.gmail.com>

The other possibility is to set JAVA_HOME in /etc/environment: so for
example my /etc/environment file looks like:

LANGUAGE="en_AU:en"
LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/

In this case, it will be defined globally on your system.

Regards,
David
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From chris at bitspace.org  Sat Dec 10 22:57:03 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:57:03 -0500
Subject: Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
In-Reply-To: <86hd9gaaml.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <439A3D73.6030103@davidgonz.com>
	<439A410D.2020000@upng.ac.pg>	<439A4AAB.2050204@davidgonz.com>
	<439AA00E.4060906@interia.pl>	<3f1760512100336m61c13a95k@mail.gmail.com>	<439AE403.2090400@davidgonz.com>
	<439AE7A1.6000706@bitspace.org> <86hd9gaaml.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439B5D3F.1090106@bitspace.org>

leon wrote:
> It seems to me if you set anything in .profile and login with GDM, you
> got nothing set all.
>
>   

This is probably true. There are entirely too many rc files for the 
different shells, based on whether or not a shell is an interactive 
shell and/or a login shell. To wit: .profile, .bashrc, .bash_profile are 
all used by bash, .profile is also used by ksh, zsh and sh, and probably 
others... so on and so forth. I gave up trying to determine which (if 
any) of them my current context (whether script or interactive shell) 
parsed, and have had only one file and a couple symlinks for years.


-- 
 Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods




From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec 10 22:59:07 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:59:07 -0800
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
In-Reply-To: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051210225907.GA10600@home.tig-grr.com>

> I just partimaged the partitions originaly set up by IBM, and I want to
> have just one big ext3 partition. When I do mkfs.ext3, may I just copy
> the files from the old laptop to the new laptop (old laptop also had
> only one partition, and new laptop has 20 Gigs more of the hard disk
> space)?

Yes, you may copy the install between machines using tar.  This works quite
well when you have both drives connected to the same machine:

  # cd /; tar cvf - bin boot dev ... var | (cd /mnt/otherdrive; tar xf -)

Note that there are a couple of things to keep in mind:

  Don't include lost+found in the tar command.

  Don't include mnt in the tar command (recursion!)

  You will need to run the boot installer (grub, lilo).  With lilo, this is
  usually easiest done by booting with a resuce CD.

With a pair of laptops, you may not be able to connect both drives to the
same machine.  If not, you will need to boot the target machine and get sshd
running.  Then you can do something similar:

  # cd /; tar cvf - bin boot dev ... var | ssh otherbox "cd /; tar xf -"

Use ethernet if you can: the faster the network connection, the better.

-- 
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices.
        -- William James



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 23:10:37 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:10:37 +0000
Subject: LaunchPad
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512091942j63efccd2hd895763200f0f524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512090858t7c06d164g25b0ff2989854d6e@mail.gmail.com>	<1134148843.12889.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<720dc91f0512091025r201bc546m76d38e45ac4ea02d@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5bd99f70512091942j63efccd2hd895763200f0f524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439B606D.2030706@gmail.com>

VIGNESH wrote:
> Any of you guys helping out in the development ?
> Vignesh
> 
> On 12/9/05, *Mauricio Hernandez* <mhz.chile at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mhz.chile at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     <SNIP>
> 
>     also,
>     http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/149-Ubuntus-MOTU-School-Packaging-without-debhelper-andor-CDBS.html
>     <http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/149-Ubuntus-MOTU-School-Packaging-without-debhelper-andor-CDBS.html>
> 
>     --
>     Cordialmente,
> 
>     Mauricio Hernandez Z.

I have a Launchpad account. I translate apps, whenever I can, into 
Thamizh(Tamil). Haven't got to the stage where I could get involved in 
development of any kind.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Sat Dec 10 23:12:32 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:12:32 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
Message-ID: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>

hey folks,

 some time ago there was an ambitious gnome project called storage: 
http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html

it seems to have died, far as I can tell.  Beagle is the nearest thing
we've got, I guess, though KDE is working on this thing called tenor,
for kde 4:
http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Tenor

anyway, I love beagle, am just getting used to its awesome power, but
I would like to have slightly more robust interfaces e.g. "smart
folders" à la MacOS, with beagle-derived search results updated every
time you open the "folder"  (so it's not really a folder, but an alias
for a command I guess.  

Has anyone implemented anything of this sort?  and/or, does anyone
know whether "storage" still exists in development somewhere?

THanks much,

Matt

-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 23:13:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:13:37 -0500
Subject: cpufreq and powersave
References: <1119284126.7719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain><42B6EE54.9070808@gmail.com>
	<freddan.1qzm4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><RoyCowboy.1x01sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<45ce0bb20510170416n67e12e38kde9bf8b0868d7ae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PokerFacePenguin.1zukja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have an Inspiron 5100 also.



It seems that Ubuntu has been kinda hard on my hardware as well.  Since
installing I have had to replace a (pricey) hard disk.  Recently, I
discovered that upon trying to copy a dvd under wine that my computer
shut down on me as one of the other posts had described.  I thought it
was probably just a flaw with wine and thought no more of it.  The next
time it happened I was using tar to backup the root file system.  Poking
around a bit in the logs revealed nothing that would tell me why this
has been happening.  A search through the dell forums reports that this
model tends to overheat after using it a while due to having a regular
processor in it instead of a mobile type processor.  The dust on my
heat sink and fan did not appear to be overly excessive, but who knows.
So now the laptop is lying on the desk in pieces awaiting my fresh new
bottle of arctic silver v thermal grease.  Hopefully this will solve
the problem.  I8k reported that from a cold start the processor was
around 35C.  It steadily rises as time goes on.  



I would be interested in hearing from others how high their temps have
gotten in order to get a good feel for where I should be once I lay
down the thermal grease and get the laptop back together.  Also, if
anyone has found a good way to keep the temperatures lower on this
model I certainly would like to hear that as well.



I dont have the link handy to the dell forums where this has been
expounded upon...mostly windows users seem to be in there. :P  There
are some links in those dell support pages that give you steps on
taking apart the laptop and cleaning it up a bit.


-- 
PokerFacePenguin



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sat Dec 10 23:33:54 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:33:54 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
In-Reply-To: <1134247560.8794.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1134247560.8794.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051210233354.GC13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 08:46:00PM +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:04 +0000, David Hart wrote:

> > Ubuntu/Gnome has Terminal Server Client which works well over fast and
> > slow links and even does sound when connected to WinXP.
> 
> Yes, though I've found the cursor and redraws seem to lag compared to
> Nxviewer, which is why I'm trying that for now.  The one problem I have
> with Nxviewer is that the command line options aren't well documented.
> I can find lists of them, but no proper explanations of what they do...

I've never used any version of VNC over any bandwidth where the cursor
didn't lag.  I now habitually look at the little dot, not the cursor.

Give Terminal Server Client another go.  I suspect from the parameters
that you mentioned in an earlier post that you were running Nxviewer
in 256 colour depth (yuck!).  Have you compared TSC at the same
colour depth?  (You won't have to interpret manuals that don't exist
in order to configure it ;)

But you shouldn't need to set the colour depth with a recent VNC.
It now adjusts colour depth to the bandwidth it finds available _on_
_the_ _fly_ (developed originally, IIRC, on tightVNC and later
incorporated into VNC main).

Run TSC and you can see the colour depth changing as you start and
stop heavy downloads.  (Check out its network usage at the same time,
'ntop' is good for this.)
 
> > KDE has one (forgotten the name) with the nice feature that you can 
> > shrink the screen (so you don't have to scroll) when you're connected to
> > a higher resolution box.
> 
> Not a problem here, as I'm running a nice big 1600x1200 screen on my
> box.  Could be handy for working the other way round though.

It sometimes is for me, mostly for connecting from my laptop
(1400x1050) to my desktop (1600x1200).

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 23:32:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:32:09 -0500
Subject: Gnucash on breezy
References: <435D29E4.60306@telaneos.com>
	<easy_target.1xsism@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<easy_target.1zuhra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <jobezone.1zulgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Search around the forum for gtk1 fonts as there are ways to improve
their fonts (and even themes, etc).
As for crashing, I don't know...


-- 
jobezone



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 10 23:58:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:58:42 -0500
Subject: cpufreq and powersave
References: <1119284126.7719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <jobezone.1zumdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>From /usr/share/doc/powernowd/README.Debian:
" If you use a prebuilt 2.6
kernel package, all the required kernel modules are included.  You just
need
to ensure they are loaded (cpufreq_userspace, and on my system also
speedstep_centrino)."

In my case I used the "modconf" program (it's in Universe), and after
executing it:

Code:
--------------------
    sudo modconf
--------------------

I added the powernow-k8 module(inside
/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/).

But I initially didn't have battery monitoring working, so I followed
ubuntu's wiki instructions from:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACPIBattery

For my own laptop, the last instructions from the above website didn't
do anything, and only following the slightly different final
instructions from http://crippledcanary.se/?page_id=9 did I make it
work.


-- 
jobezone



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 00:07:50 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] No Sound With Open Office Impress
Message-ID: <200512101907.51100.carney1979@gmail.com>

When I open a presentation that has sound with Windows Power Point, the 
presentation works OK, but I get no sound.

How do I make the sound work?

Sound works for other apps....

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 00:10:52 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:10:52 +0000
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20051211001052.GD13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:12:32PM -0500, Matt Price wrote:

>  some time ago there was an ambitious gnome project called storage: 
> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html
> 
> it seems to have died, far as I can tell.  Beagle is the nearest thing
> we've got, I guess, though KDE is working on this thing called tenor,
> for kde 4:
> http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Tenor
> 
> anyway, I love beagle, am just getting used to its awesome power, but
> I would like to have slightly more robust interfaces e.g. "smart
> folders" à la MacOS, with beagle-derived search results updated every
> time you open the "folder"  (so it's not really a folder, but an alias
> for a command I guess.  

That's not the way I understand that Beagle works.  AFAIU the kernel
notifies Beagle of changes in the filesystem and Beagle schedules
those changes for investigation.  In practice, I've found that Beagle
often reacts to those changes in less than a second (you can see some
problems that was causing me with Mutt (the mail reader that I use )
in a thread from last week).

As much as I love Beagle I've had to disable it for the time being.
I've had problems with the index that Beagle creates growing too much,
and worse, Mono (on which Beagle depends) has been grabbing memory (like
a memory leak).

I wish I could spend the time to help with bug reports but I just
can't afford it at the moment (I need to find some paid employment).

Thanks for the links above (which I'll investigate tomorrow).

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 00:06:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:06:31 -0500
Subject: cpufreq and powersave
References: <1119284126.7719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain><42B6EE54.9070808@gmail.com>
	<freddan.1qzm4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><RoyCowboy.1x01sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<45ce0bb20510170416n67e12e38kde9bf8b0868d7ae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jobezone.1zunba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>From *acpi -t * I get:
> Battery 1: charged, 100%
> Thermal 1: ok, 44.0 degrees C
I have an ACER Aspire.


-- 
jobezone



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 00:19:39 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:19:39 -0800
Subject: Installation of Educational Packages
Message-ID: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

I want to give a Ubuntu 5.10 CD to my nephew who is studying in 4th
grade.  On Fedora Core 3, I have some educational packages but I think
(I do _not_ really know - I am not sure) that those educational
packages are only for KDE.

Is there any way I can download the educational softwares _separately_
and install them on his Ubuntu computer without using _any_
net-connected automatic download/install facility.  Will I have to do
./configure/make/install?

I didn't find gcc on my 5.10 distribution.

The reason I get shivers at the thought of downloading EduBuntu is
that I am on a dial-up connection and the Internet speed is not that
good!

--
TIA,

Asif


--

Asif



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 00:26:34 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:26:34 +0000
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>

Thilo Six wrote:
> Bump.
> Does no one have an idea?
> 
> 
> 
>>Hello
>>
>>I have a problem with my removable usb-medias.
>>
>>The Icon on the desktop does not appear anymore and it does not get
>>mounted, although the system recognize them.
>>See below.
>>
>>What could be wrong?
>>
>>TIA Thilo
>>

First of all, can you mount the drive through shell.
   sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk

If you can, are you using GNOME or some other WM? If the above line 
worked you might try adding it to /etc/fstab like this
   /dev/sda1  /media/usbdisk  vfat  defaults,user  0  0

PS: Change the above commands to suit your system.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 00:31:52 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:31:52 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] No Sound With Open Office Impress
In-Reply-To: <200512101907.51100.carney1979@gmail.com>
References: <200512101907.51100.carney1979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512101631m5b823adfhb97c6630f8f50afb@mail.gmail.com>

> When I open a presentation that has sound with Windows Power Point, the
> presentation works OK, but I get no sound.
>
> How do I make the sound work?
>
> Sound works for other apps....

Maybe it is a missing feature from OpenOffice.  Look at:

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49295

And in particular, this quote in one of the comment:

"Equally, if a sound is embedded in a presentation using powerpoint,
it will only
appear as a speaker icon in Impress (the icon that PowerPoint uses). There will
be no associated sound."



--
Daniel Robitaille



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 11 00:35:45 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:35:45 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VNC
In-Reply-To: <439B4DB2.4070700@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<439B4DB2.4070700@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <20051210193545.570279f0.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:50:42 -0500
MrKnisely <mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org> wrote:

> Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> >My employer has provided VNC facilities for many people but its all
> >Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> >
> >The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> >group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> >
> >
> >Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VNC viewers I have tried
> >don't accept so many parameters.
> >
> >
> Sounds like more of a connection using a VPN and RDP...not VCN.
> 

Yup. you're right. It's VPN. I ask again, is this workable on my
machine?

Cheers



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 00:37:18 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:37:18 -0800
Subject: Installation of Educational Packages
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512101637q40b677cv2752def2f18cd2da@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Asif Lodhi <asif.lodhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I want to give a Ubuntu 5.10 CD to my nephew who is studying in 4th
> grade.  On Fedora Core 3, I have some educational packages but I think
> (I do _not_ really know - I am not sure) that those educational
> packages are only for KDE.
>
> Is there any way I can download the educational softwares _separately_
> and install them on his Ubuntu computer without using _any_
> net-connected automatic download/install facility.  Will I have to do
> ./configure/make/install?

just install the meta-package edubuntu-desktop in your favourite
update tool (synaptic,  apt-get, etc)  in your Breezy installation. 
The end result will be close to installation of edubuntu
(http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes)

> I didn't find gcc on my 5.10 distribution.

you need to install the meta-package "build-essential" to install gcc
and a bunch of other things needed to compile applications from
source.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 11 00:39:22 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:39:22 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

> My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> 
> The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> 
> 
> Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VPN viewers I have tried
> don't accept so many parameters.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Frank McCormick


  Edited to make sense :)




From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 11 00:56:34 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:56:34 +1100
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051211005634.GC24304@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:29:54PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:04:21AM +1100, David wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:34:59AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:
> 
> > > > I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
> > > > then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
> [snip]
> 
> > thanks for your prompt reply, but it gives rise to some questions:
> 
> I notice above that you did 'apt-get upgrade', was that a typo?  (It
> should be 'dist-upgrade'.)
> 
> Do you have any packages held back if you run that command now?
> 
> If so 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should fix that (bringing in the missing
> apache stuff).

you were right, of course... my silly mistake.

Unfortunately, after doing apt-get update (just to make sure) and then 
apt-get dist-upgrade, I still don't have apache2 binary.

I'm not sure what to do next. Everything else appears to be there.

David.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 00:50:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:50:25 -0500
Subject: removable Media
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zup5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


make sure 'autofs' is installed and you have user privilage to 'enable
access to external storage devices automatically'

found in users and groups


-- 
teaker1s



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 00:44:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:44:57 -0500
Subject: Installation of Educational Packages
References: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dcast.1zup5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You could download .debs or use the fedora rpms with alien to install
them without the net gcc is in the build-essential package in synaptic


-- 
dcast



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 01:15:23 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:15:23 +1100
Subject: mp3 for SOX
Message-ID: <439B7DAB.9040807@optusnet.com.au>

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:34 -0400
From: Douglas Alves <alves5 at cantv.net>
Subject: mp3 for SOX
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1134156514.10731.1.camel at localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain

How can one add mp3 encoding capability to sox?
__________________________________________________________
Sox should have mp3 ecnoding built in automatically, if it doesn't you might want to try reinstalling it or compiling it from source with the necessary options available, but lame works better anyway so it is probably more worth your while to use that. If you are trying to convert mp3 to wav then the site http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/MP3-CD-Burning.html#INTRO has a good guide. If you are trying to rip from cd, then a number of programs will do the job. For example: Goobox; Grip; or KAudioCreator (my personal favourite because it saves me to create mp3 tags).









From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 01:17:59 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:17:59 +1100
Subject: how to upgrade to the new version of Evolution
Message-ID: <439B7E47.6080504@optusnet.com.au>

Add the ubuntu-backports and ubuntu-extras repositories to your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file. Google on the internet for the mirror 
closest to you.



From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 01:31:43 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:31:43 +0800
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <teaker1s.1zue1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512101231o5c988c54k@mail.gmail.com>
	<teaker1s.1zue1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512101731p4776a5f7n87b7465d104acf4a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> delete iceauthority as gnome won't load if corrupted and it will
> automatically be recreated
>
Any idea where I can find this file??


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 01:34:35 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:34:35 +0800
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512101731p4776a5f7n87b7465d104acf4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512101231o5c988c54k@mail.gmail.com>
	<teaker1s.1zue1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d12e5c90512101731p4776a5f7n87b7465d104acf4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512101734s50815eb6o34334f6cb1c88f25@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/11/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > delete iceauthority as gnome won't load if corrupted and it will
> > automatically be recreated
> >
> Any idea where I can find this file??

Found it, and it didn't work ( I've also mv'd any other directory like
.gnome .gnome2  and still no effect )

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sun Dec 11 01:35:43 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:35:43 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
In-Reply-To: <20051210233354.GC13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1134247560.8794.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210233354.GC13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <1134264943.24565.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 23:33 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 08:46:00PM +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:04 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> 
> > > Ubuntu/Gnome has Terminal Server Client which works well over fast and
> > > slow links and even does sound when connected to WinXP.
> > 
> > Yes, though I've found the cursor and redraws seem to lag compared to
> > Nxviewer, which is why I'm trying that for now.  The one problem I have
> > with Nxviewer is that the command line options aren't well documented.
> > I can find lists of them, but no proper explanations of what they do...
> 
> I've never used any version of VNC over any bandwidth where the cursor
> didn't lag.  I now habitually look at the little dot, not the cursor.
> 
> Give Terminal Server Client another go.  I suspect from the parameters
> that you mentioned in an earlier post that you were running Nxviewer
> in 256 colour depth (yuck!).  Have you compared TSC at the same
> colour depth?  (You won't have to interpret manuals that don't exist
> in order to configure it ;)
> 
> But you shouldn't need to set the colour depth with a recent VNC.
> It now adjusts colour depth to the bandwidth it finds available _on_
> _the_ _fly_ (developed originally, IIRC, on tightVNC and later
> incorporated into VNC main).
> 
> Run TSC and you can see the colour depth changing as you start and
> stop heavy downloads.  (Check out its network usage at the same time,
> 'ntop' is good for this.)

I can see that happen when I play on my local network, going to the
brother's machine in France is sluggish even in 256 colour.  I don't
know whether that is his or my end yet.  We're both supposed to have
2Mbit (down) connections.  Uploading some stuff from his end was very
slow though.  I'm also getting more dropped sessions than I'd like;  TSC
seems a bit more prone to this problem than Nxviewer.  I haven't tried
to look in the logs for reasons yet.
>  
> > > KDE has one (forgotten the name) with the nice feature that you can 
> > > shrink the screen (so you don't have to scroll) when you're connected to
> > > a higher resolution box.
> > 
> > Not a problem here, as I'm running a nice big 1600x1200 screen on my
> > box.  Could be handy for working the other way round though.
> 
> It sometimes is for me, mostly for connecting from my laptop
> (1400x1050) to my desktop (1600x1200).

Which is exactly the situation that I may well be in when I start trying
this back from work.  (After I sort out a NAT problem with my ADSL modem
and router.)

Neil
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 01:42:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:42:42 -0500
Subject: Hoary, Ugly fonts in some apps...
References: <1114678821.12061.6.camel@localhost.localdomain><2608b3b3050428042161a77a20@mail.gmail.com>
	<1114766961.12124.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<johnnyg.1oohay@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<plebeien.1ouz3m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <markovuc.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Maybe you sholud try with editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
In section Files, line with 75dpi fonts should go in front of line with
100dpi fonts.
Swaping that lines solved big font problem in emacs and xmms menus.
The same problem I had with debian sarge install at my work 1 year ago;
I have found that solution on some debian related forum, I think.


-- 
markovuc



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 01:54:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:54:52 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This is going to sound dumb but as I am new to linux... How do I edit
the file to get rid of that error? Thanks.


-- 
zenlakin



From joz_mak at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec 11 02:43:03 2005
From: joz_mak at yahoo.ca (j Mak)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:43:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512101122g35c3aac4x@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211024303.86179.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can also install xubuntu to access xfce which is
> a lite desktop.
> 
> Do sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the terminal.
> Find DefaultDepth
> and change it to 16 or 8 (but 8 is to extreme in
> most cases).
> Then you have to restart X ( you can do that by
> doing ctrl-alt-backspace)
> they you have less colors.
> 
> Disable panel animation:
> gconftool-2 --type bool --set
> /apps/panel/global/enable_animations false
> 
> Go to System->Preferences->Theme and change the
> theme by going to
> Theme Details. Choose something lite like Raleigh or
> Simple for
> Controls and Atlanta or Esco for Window.
> 
> Go to Nautilus and Edit->Preferences->Preview and
> use Never for all.
> 
> Go to System->Preferences->Menus And Toolbars and
> unselect
> Show icons in menu you can also change the Toolbar
> button label to only
> Text.
> 
> Disable using Nautilus for the desktop:
> gconftool-2 --type bool --set
> /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
> 
> Turn off unessisary virtual terminals:
> sudo gedit /etc/inittab and put # in front of
> these lines:
> 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
> 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
> 5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
> 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
> 
> The you can follow this guide to tuning your
> hardrive for speed, this
> is important if you have little memory and other
> wise. This might
> freeze your computer then just restart. Then when
> you found the right
> one just do: sudo gedit /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
> and add that line to your file.
>
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html?page=1
> 

Hi Olafur,

I put this line in the /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm file as
you said but after reboot my hdparm reset to the
original default setting.

hdparm -X66 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 /dev/hdb

Did I miss something?

J. Mak
> 
> Olafur Arason
> 2005/12/10, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com>:
> > Hi, there's a guide to optimize ubuntu for speed?
> > --
> > "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
> >    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
> >                               
> http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> 
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Sun Dec 11 02:46:33 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:46:33 -0600
Subject: mysql question
Message-ID: <439B9309.6000303@wadesmart.com>

12102005 2044 GMT-5

I tried to install Mysql a while back but had such horrible problems I 
just uninstalled it and went on without it. I was messing around 
exploring with the system menu today and noticed I still have a mysql 
service running. Shouldnt that have been uninstalled?  Ubunutu doesnt 
use that for anything.

Wade






From olafra at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 02:54:18 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:54:18 +0000
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20051211024303.86179.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <e50811220512101122g35c3aac4x@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211024303.86179.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101854o11e5cecbt@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry try adding #! /bin sh
at the top and doing chmod +x /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
That should work, hopefully.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/11, j Mak <joz_mak at yahoo.ca>:
>
> --- Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You can also install xubuntu to access xfce which is
> > a lite desktop.
> >
> > Do sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the terminal.
> > Find DefaultDepth
> > and change it to 16 or 8 (but 8 is to extreme in
> > most cases).
> > Then you have to restart X ( you can do that by
> > doing ctrl-alt-backspace)
> > they you have less colors.
> >
> > Disable panel animation:
> > gconftool-2 --type bool --set
> > /apps/panel/global/enable_animations false
> >
> > Go to System->Preferences->Theme and change the
> > theme by going to
> > Theme Details. Choose something lite like Raleigh or
> > Simple for
> > Controls and Atlanta or Esco for Window.
> >
> > Go to Nautilus and Edit->Preferences->Preview and
> > use Never for all.
> >
> > Go to System->Preferences->Menus And Toolbars and
> > unselect
> > Show icons in menu you can also change the Toolbar
> > button label to only
> > Text.
> >
> > Disable using Nautilus for the desktop:
> > gconftool-2 --type bool --set
> > /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
> >
> > Turn off unessisary virtual terminals:
> > sudo gedit /etc/inittab and put # in front of
> > these lines:
> > 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
> > 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
> > 5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
> > 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
> >
> > The you can follow this guide to tuning your
> > hardrive for speed, this
> > is important if you have little memory and other
> > wise. This might
> > freeze your computer then just restart. Then when
> > you found the right
> > one just do: sudo gedit /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
> > and add that line to your file.
> >
> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html?page=1
> >
>
> Hi Olafur,
>
> I put this line in the /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm file as
> you said but after reboot my hdparm reset to the
> original default setting.
>
> hdparm -X66 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 /dev/hdb
>
> Did I miss something?
>
> J. Mak
> >
> > Olafur Arason
> > 2005/12/10, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com>:
> > > Hi, there's a guide to optimize ubuntu for speed?
> > > --
> > > "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
> > >    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
> > >
> > http://www.trapanator.com/blog
> > >
> > > --
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> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From olafra at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 02:57:03 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:57:03 +0000
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512101734s50815eb6o34334f6cb1c88f25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512101231o5c988c54k@mail.gmail.com>
	<teaker1s.1zue1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d12e5c90512101731p4776a5f7n87b7465d104acf4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512101734s50815eb6o34334f6cb1c88f25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512101857p11901da4v@mail.gmail.com>

Try doing it on .gconf and .gconfd
You can also try to start gnome-session from the xterm to see what the
error is. Also try sudo ifup lo

Olafur Arason
2005/12/11, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com>:
> On 12/11/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/11/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > delete iceauthority as gnome won't load if corrupted and it will
> > > automatically be recreated
> > >
> > Any idea where I can find this file??
>
> Found it, and it didn't work ( I've also mv'd any other directory like
> .gnome .gnome2  and still no effect )
>
> --
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>  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
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>
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From bertilow at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 03:01:56 2005
From: bertilow at gmail.com (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:01:56 +0900
Subject: How to make sudo ask for a password?
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512101253l583820dco@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512101253l583820dco@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c60903810512101901t66dac50t7f42ba44089198ce@mail.gmail.com>

Olafur Arason:

> Add you self to the admin group by doing:
>  adduser theusername admin
> then take your self out of the sudoers file.

But I'm already in the admin group, and in the sudoers file only the
admin group (and root) are mentioned, not my own username. Actually
I've tried all variants of that, but it's always the same: If me or
the admin group are given sudoers rights, then I can do sudo without a
password. It also doesn't matter if I put in "NOPASSWD: ALL" or
anything like that. Either I can't do sudo at all, or I can do it
without a password. The option I want, the normal and secure one, just
doesn't happen.

> Hope it helps.
> Also you are not allways promted for the password
> it has a limted lease so you don't have to repeatedly
> supply your password.

I've also tried to add "timestamp_timeout=0". No difference. And I've
tried "sudo -k". No difference. It _never ever_ asks for the password.

And I'm most definitly not runninga as root.

As far as I can see, this is not supposed to happen. Something must be
severly broken in my system. I've already tried reinstalling the sudo
program. No difference...

I've already asked about this three times in "ubuntuforums.org". No
one has answered. So now I try here. Please help.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <http://bertilow.com>



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 03:06:50 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:06:50 +1100
Subject: How to make sudo ask for a password?
In-Reply-To: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211140650.0f87d04e.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:06:00 +0900
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use Kubuntu Breezy. For some unknown reason I can do sudo
> without a password. That doesn't seem very secure. How can I
> change that? I want to be asked for a password.
> 
> Actually I don't even need to do sudo at all. If I just click on
> e.g. the synaptic icon, the program starts without asking me
> anything, and allows me to do anything.
> 
> I'm not running as root. But when I installed I chose expert mode
> (to be able to de create a separate home partition), so a root
> account was created. After that I had to add myself to the
> sudoers file in order to use sudo.
> 
> My sudoers file has this:
> 
>   Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
>   root ALL=(ALL) ALL
>   %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
> 
> The only time I need to provide my password, is when I log in
> to KDE or Gnome (I almost always use KDE).
> 
> Doing "sudo -k" does not change anything.
> 
> This problem started with Breezy. In Hoary everything worked as
> documented. (But my Hoary was not installed in expert mode.)
> 
> What can I do? Please help.

An unlikely but possible scenario is that your user has somehow been added
to the "sudo" group. If so, sudo will never ask for a password.

The cure would be to remove your user from that group.

Peter

-- 

Linux User #343161 



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 03:12:24 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:12:24 -0500
Subject: mysql question
In-Reply-To: <439B9309.6000303@wadesmart.com>
References: <439B9309.6000303@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512101912g7a2e5edat9ac791fed9496370@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12102005 2044 GMT-5
>
> I tried to install Mysql a while back but had such horrible problems I
> just uninstalled it and went on without it. I was messing around
> exploring with the system menu today and noticed I still have a mysql
> service running. Shouldnt that have been uninstalled?  Ubunutu doesnt
> use that for anything.
>
> Wade

Hi Wade,

It is hard to say what was uninstalled from what you wrote.  With most
distributions you can have separate packages for the mysql server
(needed usually in one place) and the mysql client (some people only
need the client).  Do you use the Synaptec package manager?  It has
made (un)installing software real simple for me.  There is a search
funtion where you can see all the "mysql" packages at once.

HTH,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From bertilow at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 03:28:58 2005
From: bertilow at gmail.com (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:28:58 +0900
Subject: How to make sudo ask for a password?
In-Reply-To: <20051211140650.0f87d04e.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <c60903810512092006s1fc68502n1b181d02ae3b4f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211140650.0f87d04e.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <c60903810512101928l24c3ce1cu291da2fa98c69949@mail.gmail.com>

Peter Garrett:

> Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I use Kubuntu Breezy. For some unknown reason I can do sudo
> > without a password. That doesn't seem very secure. How can I
> > change that? I want to be asked for a password.

> An unlikely but possible scenario is that your user has somehow been
> added to the "sudo" group. If so, sudo will never ask for a password.

> The cure would be to remove your user from that group.

Thank you so much! That was it. Now I'm all set.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <http://bertilow.com>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 03:25:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:25:37 -0500
Subject: cpufreq and powersave
References: <1119284126.7719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain><42B6EE54.9070808@gmail.com>
	<freddan.1qzm4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><RoyCowboy.1x01sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<45ce0bb20510170416n67e12e38kde9bf8b0868d7ae7@mail.gmail.com>
	<jobezone.1zunba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <nmsa.1zuwkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Battery 1: charged, 100%, rate information unavailable.

Thermal 1: ok, 34.0 degrees C

I have a Dell Latitude D600

Works for me :smile:


-- 
nmsa



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 03:59:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:59:03 -0500
Subject: miniVox MV100 USB Audio
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A264D@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <samkap23.1zuxhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the same problem.  I posted here: 



http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97819&highlight=mvox100



before I found your post.  Did you find a solution?



Thanks,



Sam


-- 
samkap23



From joz_mak at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec 11 04:31:54 2005
From: joz_mak at yahoo.ca (j Mak)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:31:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512101854o11e5cecbt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211043154.25850.qmail@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry try adding #! /bin sh
> at the top and doing chmod +x /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
> That should work, hopefully.
> 

Thanks. It worked.

J. Mak


	

	
		
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From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Sun Dec 11 05:10:18 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:10:18 -0500
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051211005634.GC24304@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051211005634.GC24304@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <439BB4BA.3040208@csee.wvu.edu>

David wrote:

>On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:29:54PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:04:21AM +1100, David wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:34:59AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 04:17, David wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I've just upgraded from hoary to breezy using the install CD, 
>>>>>then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>    
>>
>>>thanks for your prompt reply, but it gives rise to some questions:
>>>      
>>>
>>I notice above that you did 'apt-get upgrade', was that a typo?  (It
>>should be 'dist-upgrade'.)
>>
>>Do you have any packages held back if you run that command now?
>>
>>If so 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should fix that (bringing in the missing
>>apache stuff).
>>    
>>
>
>you were right, of course... my silly mistake.
>
>Unfortunately, after doing apt-get update (just to make sure) and then 
>apt-get dist-upgrade, I still don't have apache2 binary.
>
>I'm not sure what to do next. Everything else appears to be there.
>
>  
>

This is probably due to blindly hitting enter when apt asks you if your
sure you want to make the changes its specifying.  We all do it and
eventually come to regret it and learn from our mistakes.  Apt helpfully
tells you how many packages its going to upgrade/install/remove just
above the prompt.  What likely happened is apache2-mpm-worker(or
whatever you had installed) was removed during the upgrade.  From what I
remember, upgrade shouldn't remove anything, but I might be wrong.  In
any case, you might want to check out the -s and the -u options for
apt-get. 

Also, about your apache2 configs.  BACK THEM UP BEFORE ANY MAJOR
UPGRADE.  Sorry for the all caps but I want to make sure you realize
that.  Back up your configs before you do your upgrade and you won't
have to worry about what the upgrade will do to them.  But, chances are
they will be safe.  Generally packages are very respectful of local
configuration changes. 



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 07:32:50 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:32:50 +1100
Subject: Installation of Educational Packages
Message-ID: <439BD622.2070501@optusnet.com.au>

KDE applications should work in gnome without any problem. Otherwise, 
you can type the line:

sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop

This will have the effect of installing edubuntu but without a major 
part of the download which you have already got in your ubuntu system.

As for GCC. To install the tools you need for basic compiling, open a 
terminal and type:

sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4 gcc-4.0 build-essential



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 07:47:00 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:47:00 -0500
Subject: Postfix Problem
In-Reply-To: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134207178.9984.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211074700.GA21500@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Ashwani Jain" on Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 04:32:58AM EST>

> Hi
> 
> I am using Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy).  My mail server is configured with a
> ISP.  Now I want to configure Postfix to act as a local mail server for
> my organisation.  For that I have configured it, its sending and
> receiving mails successfully.  Problem I am facing is that

When you say "configured with a ISP" do you mean you are sending and
receiving mail through your ISP servers as "user at isp.com" or are you using
your own personal domain with your machine setup to be primary MX such as
"user at ashwani.com"?

Im assuming your are using the first case "user at isp.com" in which case you
could simply setup postfix to relay non-local mail over to your isp for delivery.
Then setup fetchmail hand mail over to either postifix or procmail as the
local MDA. 

> 1..   when I download mail using fetchmail, fetchmail shows that it has
> downloaded mails from server but that         mail but where it
> downloads mail I don't know, mail does not come into users mail box.

In that case, let's see your fetchmailrc. Add "set syslog" to that file and
have a look at /var/log/mail.log to see more of what's happening. But
generally it should look something like this:

    poll mail.yourisp.com with proto POP3
        user 'ispuser' there with password 'password' is 'localuser' here

Also, if you are handing mail over to postfix, check that
you have a line in /etc/postfix/main.cf with something like 

    mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain, $myorigin, localhost

That setting tells postfix that it's the final destination for those
domains. Another good setting to look into is "home_mailbox". I have that
setup as:

    home_mailbox = .maildir/

> 2.. <snip>
> Problem is
> when forwarding mail account user send mails to POP account users whose
> account is not on the local mail server using my local mail server as
> SMTP server, it returns error 'this mail account does not exist' and if
> I create a account on local mail server for a POP user, than this SMTP
> delivers mail to local made account instead of forwarding it to ISP mail
> server POP account.  This is the biggest problem I am facing and
> consulted with so many people but no one has idea about its solution.

That looks to me like a mis-configured $mydestination in postfix. Your
machine is acting as the final destination for users at yourisp.org. A lot of
the time I'll see something like the contents of /etc/mailname will have the
value "yourisp.org" and then in main.cf there will be lines like:

    myorigin = /etc/mailname
    mydestination = $myorigin

That has to be changed because you're machine is not a mail server for your
ISP. Im not sure if debconf does that but Ive seen it on occasion and it
causes that kind of problem.

Seth



From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 08:11:05 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:11:05 +0900
Subject: how to sync my pocketpc (windows ce os) with ubuntu?
Message-ID: <a937801a0512110011q2fdf8a4en4c36b611ca91306f@mail.gmail.com>

What is the best and easiest way to sync my pocket pc with ubuntu?

i don't really care what software program i use. Just as long as my
contacts, taskslists, calendar can sync to and fro pocketpc (windows
os) and ubuntu. If I could sync the other files on my pda, too, that
would be nice.



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 08:15:03 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:15:03 -0500
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Senectus ." on Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 10:30:06AM EST>

> It looks like I've broken my Gnome profile and now I can't log into
> gnome.. what do i need to delete in my profile to "reset Gnome" back
> to what it would be by default (not including firefox etc)

I've had to do this on my own machine more times than I care to admit. Check
out the contents of .gconf/ .gnome/ .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .gnomerc
.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2

I usually just drop to a shell then do:

    mkdir oldconfig
    mv .g* oldconfig/
    rm .esd_auth
    rm .ICEauthority
    rm .Xauthority

Then log back into gnome and that usually takes care of things. The only
thing that gets really b0rked when I do this procedure is my evolution
profile. Usual disclaimer, be careful when deleting stuff.

Seth



From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 08:20:41 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:20:41 +0800
Subject: how to sync my pocketpc (windows ce os) with ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <a937801a0512110011q2fdf8a4en4c36b611ca91306f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a937801a0512110011q2fdf8a4en4c36b611ca91306f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512110020r1e4a4421u34fdd913d65bece3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Jeff Co <hanzjordan at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the best and easiest way to sync my pocket pc with ubuntu?
>
> i don't really care what software program i use. Just as long as my
> contacts, taskslists, calendar can sync to and fro pocketpc (windows
> os) and ubuntu. If I could sync the other files on my pda, too, that
> would be nice.

First off, let give you a warning.
your going to need LOTS of patience to get this working. It's not a simple task.

but the apps you'll use are multisync and synce


--
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  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 08:21:58 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:21:58 -0500
Subject: Noob here.
In-Reply-To: <7426119.1134194004499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7426119.1134194004499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051211082158.GC21500@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Howard J. Barnett" on Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:53:24AM EST>

> Howdy. I'm a complete Linux noob, but xp finally drove me over the edge. I
> figured to start out right and ask for help along the way. So, how would I
> go about installing my Intellipoint trakcball with controll of all the
> buttons? If this is too advanced for me already, I'll understand. But I do
> hate using a standard mouse . Is this even possible? TIA for any insight.
> 
> hb

If everything's not working right out of the box, this involves editing
/etc/X11/xorg.conf

Here's a link to someone that solved a similar issue:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77005.html

Seth



From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 08:27:54 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:27:54 +0800
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512110027r494fb620w98e1b97410e3471@mail.gmail.com>

> I usually just drop to a shell then do:
>
>     mkdir oldconfig
>     mv .g* oldconfig/
>     rm .esd_auth
>     rm .ICEauthority
>     rm .Xauthority

I followed these instructions, and it had no effect, exactly the same result :-/
I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier or not, but to run a little
test I created a new user, and logged in as that user, the gnome
session started perfectly.
it _has_ to be something with my profile :-/


--
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  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
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From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:05:01 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:05:01 -0500
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512110027r494fb620w98e1b97410e3471@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>
	<d12e5c90512110027r494fb620w98e1b97410e3471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211090501.GD21500@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Senectus ." on Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:27:54AM EST>

> > I usually just drop to a shell then do:
> >
> >     mkdir oldconfig mv .g* oldconfig/ rm .esd_auth rm .ICEauthority rm
> >     .Xauthority
> 
> I followed these instructions, and it had no effect, exactly the same
> result :-/ I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier or not, but to run a
> little test I created a new user, and logged in as that user, the gnome
> session started perfectly.  it _has_ to be something with my profile :-/

Yipes! Sounds like you've been having some fun with gnome. When it gets that
interesting for me, I just move everything from home to ~/oldconfig/ except
~/.bashrc, then login and gnome creates everything anew again. I then
proceed to move a few things back at a time starting with things that I
absolutely know wont effect gnome (like .fetchmailrc). But anything gnome or
nautilus related is scrutinized heavily before being readded and nothing
.gconf related ever gets back in. The great thing is that everything is
under your $HOME folder so it's relatively more simple to track down the
problem.

Seth



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:09:11 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:09:11 -0500
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211090911.GE21500@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Steve Zatz" on Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:45:44PM EST>

> I thought that I had seen a configuration menu that let you enable or
> disable applications like mysql and apache2 at startup but I can't find it,
> and I may have been imagining things.  I am aware of applications like
> rcconf but I am wondering if there is a gnome app that allows you to manage
> startup applications.  I realize that there is a Sessions management menu
> item under Preferences but that seems (not surprisingly) to manage
> session-specific applications and not the general startup sequence.

Another app to try out that I find to be  a little more comprehensive is
called "bum" or Boot Up Manager. It's in universe.
    'sudo aptitude install bum'

Seth



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 09:16:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:16:09 -0500
Subject: Switching from lilo to grub
References: <65ecc97c4375c8ce44e128b5f0e3c56a@vevayindiana.net>
Message-ID: <Azr3n.1zvcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ahh oks... Now I have a real problem here. Its still the same SATA drive
and I can't install either Preloaders (LILO or GRUB) can anyone
recommend a fix or a preloader that will work?


-- 
Azr3n



From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:24:44 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:24:44 +0100
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>

What brand is the device you are making the VPN to? I know juniper has a
solution that works with linux. How is the vpn set up? With a browser or a
separate client?

On 12/11/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> > My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> > Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> >
> > The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> > group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> >
> >
> > Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VPN viewers I have tried
> > don't accept so many parameters.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Frank McCormick
>
>
>   Edited to make sense :)
>
>
> --
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From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:24:58 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:54:58 +0530
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <20051211090911.GE21500@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211090911.GE21500@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512110124i5e9835f3p92a31a7f6b24ed5f@mail.gmail.com>

gksudo services-admin
its under system > administration > services
(it's not as good as bum)

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From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:51:54 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:51:54 +0800
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <20051211090501.GD21500@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>
	<d12e5c90512110027r494fb620w98e1b97410e3471@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211090501.GD21500@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512110151o1ab974b1y1ecb071e91104b40@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Seth Hasani <sepheebear at gmail.com> wrote:
> <quote who="Senectus ." on Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:27:54AM EST>
>
> > > I usually just drop to a shell then do:
> > >
> > >     mkdir oldconfig mv .g* oldconfig/ rm .esd_auth rm .ICEauthority rm
> > >     .Xauthority
> >
> > I followed these instructions, and it had no effect, exactly the same
> > result :-/ I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier or not, but to run a
> > little test I created a new user, and logged in as that user, the gnome
> > session started perfectly.  it _has_ to be something with my profile :-/
>
> Yipes! Sounds like you've been having some fun with gnome. When it gets that
> interesting for me, I just move everything from home to ~/oldconfig/ except
> ~/.bashrc, then login and gnome creates everything anew again. I then
> proceed to move a few things back at a time starting with things that I
> absolutely know wont effect gnome (like .fetchmailrc). But anything gnome or
> nautilus related is scrutinized heavily before being readded and nothing
> .gconf related ever gets back in. The great thing is that everything is
> under your $HOME folder so it's relatively more simple to track down the
> problem.

Well I've even created a new home dir given it the correct permissions
then rm -rf everything in my /tmp dir and it _still_ does the same
thing..

0.o I think I'm looking at a rebuild :-(

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
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From luca76 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 09:55:07 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:55:07 +0100
Subject: Limit size of .thumbnails folder
Message-ID: <bbda83370512110155x6bb4b434tdda79f31af4da42e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have discovered that my .thumbnails folder is like as 14MB. There
were plenty of images (many old and deleted). I think that .thumbnails
folder is managed by Nautilus, but I cannot find an option to limit
this folder size. Where is it?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Sun Dec 11 09:59:23 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:59:23 +0100
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
In-Reply-To: <20051210225907.GA10600@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210225907.GA10600@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <1134295164.7989.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 14:59 -0800, Tom Marshall wrote:
> > I just partimaged the partitions originaly set up by IBM, and I want to
> > have just one big ext3 partition. When I do mkfs.ext3, may I just copy
> > the files from the old laptop to the new laptop (old laptop also had
> > only one partition, and new laptop has 20 Gigs more of the hard disk
> > space)?
> 
> Yes, you may copy the install between machines using tar.  This works quite
> well when you have both drives connected to the same machine:
> 
>   # cd /; tar cvf - bin boot dev ... var | (cd /mnt/otherdrive; tar xf -)
> 
> Note that there are a couple of things to keep in mind:
> 
>   Don't include lost+found in the tar command.
> 
>   Don't include mnt in the tar command (recursion!)
> 
>   You will need to run the boot installer (grub, lilo).  With lilo, this is
>   usually easiest done by booting with a resuce CD.
> 
> With a pair of laptops, you may not be able to connect both drives to the
> same machine.  If not, you will need to boot the target machine and get sshd
> running.  Then you can do something similar:
> 
>   # cd /; tar cvf - bin boot dev ... var | ssh otherbox "cd /; tar xf -"
> 
> Use ethernet if you can: the faster the network connection, the better.

I actually had in mind netcat instead of tar:

oldmachine# tar cvf - bin boot ... | nc newmachine 9876
newmachine# nc -l -p 9876 | tar xvf -

Much faster then going trough ssh :)

But, I did a fresh install, now I'm seeking for the best way to
sinchronize packages between two.

	Mike




From luca76 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 10:27:29 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:27:29 +0100
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
Message-ID: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I noticed that VLC User Interface fonts aren't same of GNOME. I
think that they are GTK based. How can I change them as GNOME? They
are very ugly and poor readable.

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From ubuntu at pusspaws.net  Sun Dec 11 10:43:54 2005
From: ubuntu at pusspaws.net (dave s)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:43:54 +0000
Subject: samba swat login problem
Message-ID: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>

Hello,

I am trying to setup samba and decided the best way would be through swat. I 
have ..

apt-get install samba smbfs swat netkit-inetd
update-inetd --enable 'swat'

And pointed my browser at http://localhost:901

I get an authorisation dialogue for swat at localhost requesting a username & 
password.

Having tried my login details (and failing) I googled and found smbpasswd

From root I tried
smbpasswd -a dave

from dave I tried
smbpasswd

and set up my swat password. but no matter what I try I keep getting 
authentication failure.

Does anyone have any idea what i am doing wrong ?

Cheers
Dave




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 10:47:36 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:47:36 +0000
Subject: Nxviewer options?
In-Reply-To: <1134264943.24565.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134234438.8794.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210180432.GA13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1134247560.8794.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210233354.GC13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1134264943.24565.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211104736.GA8449@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:35:43AM +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 23:33 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> > 
> > But you shouldn't need to set the colour depth with a recent VNC.
> > It now adjusts colour depth to the bandwidth it finds available _on_
> > _the_ _fly_ (developed originally, IIRC, on tightVNC and later
> > incorporated into VNC main).
> > 
> > Run TSC and you can see the colour depth changing as you start and
> > stop heavy downloads.  (Check out its network usage at the same time,
> > 'ntop' is good for this.)
> 
> I can see that happen when I play on my local network, going to the
> brother's machine in France is sluggish even in 256 colour.  I don't
> know whether that is his or my end yet.  We're both supposed to have
> 2Mbit (down) connections.  Uploading some stuff from his end was very
> slow though.  I'm also getting more dropped sessions than I'd like;  TSC
> seems a bit more prone to this problem than Nxviewer.  I haven't tried
> to look in the logs for reasons yet.

Unfortunately, for a lot of ADSL to ADSL work the down speed doesn't
matter very much, it's the up speed that's the limiting factor
(usually 256Kb here in the UK).  And worse, the up speed can go
down (err... slower) if you have (can't remember the correct name)
'Adaptive' ADSL which slows the up speed first when phone line
conditions are bad.

As I said before, I've always had a bit of lag with VNC over any
bandwidth that I've used.  For most of this year until a couple of
months ago I was using TSC(VNC) almost daily between two 512/256 ADSL
connections.  While I would sometimes notice the colour depth was at
256 I don't really know how much of the time it was at that depth -
it wasn't really a problem for the use I was making of it.

My friend (with the other end of the ADSL mentioned above) will be
visiting me next weekend with his new box to replace the Redmond
software (he wants his Ubuntu back ;)  I'll be using TSC ~daily
again and (out of interest) I'll make a note of the performance.
I'll post back here if I find any 'wrinkles'.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From almilis at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 11:03:25 2005
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:03:25 +0700
Subject: CUPS Network Printer: How to reset?
Message-ID: <36135600512110303x7d50a2c5m3a676044dbff4577@mail.gmail.com>

I am sharing a HP LaserJet network printer with others
(by using port 9100). Somehow, my lp queue went into
stale state.

I reset it by rewriting manually the "State idle" in the
  /etc/cups/printers.conf  file.

Question: May I know the proper way to reset it by using
CUPS utilities?

Thank you,

--
  Ali Milis.



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 11:23:50 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:23:50 +0000
Subject: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20051211043154.25850.qmail@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051211043154.25850.qmail@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <439C0C46.9010103@gmail.com>

j Mak wrote:
> --- Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Sorry try adding #! /bin sh
>>at the top and doing chmod +x /etc/rcS.d/S70hdparm
>>That should work, hopefully.
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks. It worked.
> 
> J. Mak

I think you should have added the options to /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm file 
not S70hdparm file. But that's the initialisation script. Instead of 
messing with the script, which may change in the future, you can add 
your options to /etc/hdparm.conf. I added something like:
  command_line {
        hdparm -q -m16 -q -c3 -q -u1 -q -S4 -q -d1 /dev/hdc
  }


-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 11:35:50 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:35:50 +0000
Subject: samba swat login problem
In-Reply-To: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
References: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: <439C0F16.3030207@gmail.com>

dave s wrote:
> Hello,
> 
[...]
> I get an authorisation dialogue for swat at localhost requesting a username & 
> password.
> 
> Having tried my login details (and failing) I googled and found smbpasswd
> 
> From root I tried
> smbpasswd -a dave
> 
> from dave I tried
> smbpasswd
> 
> and set up my swat password. but no matter what I try I keep getting 
> authentication failure.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what i am doing wrong ?
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 

May be you should mess about with your /etc/samba/smb.conf. Like always 
make a backup copy. I've uncommented these options in my smb.conf:
  security = user
  guest account = nobody

In one you shares try setting guest ok and browseable like this:
  [USB_Video]
     comment = Video Folder on USBHD
     path = /media/USB_HD/Video
     guest ok = yes
     writable =yes
     browseable = yes

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 11:41:44 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:41:44 +0000
Subject: samba swat login problem
In-Reply-To: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
References: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: <439C1078.6060404@gmail.com>

dave s wrote:
> Hello,
> 
[...]
> I get an authorisation dialogue for swat at localhost requesting a username & 
> password.
> 
> Having tried my login details (and failing) I googled and found smbpasswd
> 
> From root I tried
> smbpasswd -a dave
> 
> from dave I tried
> smbpasswd
> 
> and set up my swat password. but no matter what I try I keep getting 
> authentication failure.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what i am doing wrong ?
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 

May be you should mess about with your /etc/samba/smb.conf. Like always 
make a backup copy. I've uncommented these options in my smb.conf:
  security = user
  guest account = nobody

In one you shares try setting guest ok and browseable like this:
  [USB_Video]
     comment = Video Folder on USBHD
     path = /media/USB_HD/Video
     guest ok = yes
     writable =yes
     browseable = yes

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 11:59:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:59:36 -0500
Subject: Mortagge ratee approvedd
References: <859w405k.8852226@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <adam.tropics.1zvjpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Now I'm no moderator, but.............what???!!!!! Delete per chance?


-- 
adam.tropics



From msplival at jagor.srce.hr  Sun Dec 11 12:06:07 2005
From: msplival at jagor.srce.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:06:07 +0100
Subject: Moving Ubunto to New Laptop....
Message-ID: <1134302767.10558.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I sucsessfuly installed Ubuntu 5.10 on new laptop. On old laptop, I also
have Ubuntu 5.10, fresly installed a month ago.

On old laptop i did:

dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' > /tmp/installed.list

Then I vi'ed the /tmp/installed.list, held "J" key untill all the
packages were in one line, added text "apt-get install" before the first
package, and saved the file.

Then I copied the file on the new laptop.

I also copied the /etc/apt/sources.list file from the old laptop to new
one. 

I did apt-get update.

Then I did sh /tmp/installed.list, to install all those packages. But, I
got this:

[...cut...]
libcupsys2-gnutls10 is already the newest version.
libcurl3 is already the newest version.
libdb1-compat is already the newest version.
libdb3 is already the newest version.
libdb4.2 is already the newest version.
Package libdb4.2++ is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  libdb4.2++c2
E: Package libdb4.2++ has no installation candidate

Now, on my old laptop I have libdb4.2++ installed. If I do, on old
laptop:

root at ekim:~ # apt-cache search libdb4.2++
libdb4.2 - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [runtime]
libdb4.2++-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [development]
libdb4.2++c2 - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [runtime]
libdb4.2-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [development]
libdb4.2-java - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for Java
libdb4.2-java-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for Java
[development]
libdb4.2-ruby1.6 - Interface to Berkeley DB for Ruby 1.6
libdb4.2-ruby1.8 - Interface to Berkeley DB for Ruby 1.8
libdb4.2-tcl - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for TCL [module]
libdb4.2++ - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [runtime]


But, on new laptop I don't have libdb4.2++:

root at mike:~/gericom_installed# apt-cache search libdb4.2++
libdb4.2 - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [runtime]
libdb4.2++-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [development]
libdb4.2++c2 - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [runtime]
libdb4.2-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [development]
libdb4.2-java - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for Java
libdb4.2-java-dev - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for Java
[development]
libdb4.2-ruby1.6 - Interface to Berkeley DB for Ruby 1.6
libdb4.2-ruby1.8 - Interface to Berkeley DB for Ruby 1.8
libdb4.2-tcl - Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for TCL [module]

Now, it's easy to see that libdb4.2++c2 is replacing libb4.2++, but, how
come I can still find it using apt-cache search on old laptop?

Similair happened with dozen packages, for instance, libavifile-0.7c102
(replaced by: libavifile-0.7).

Why is that so? Is that ok?

	Mike
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 12:36:48 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:36:48 +0000
Subject: Enabling and Disabling applications at startup
In-Reply-To: <20051211090911.GE21500@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <6b21d8370512101045p5750d295s60e139e0cb92a05b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211090911.GE21500@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <20051211123647.GB8449@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:09:11AM -0500, Seth Hasani wrote:
> 
> Another app to try out that I find to be  a little more comprehensive is
> called "bum" or Boot Up Manager. It's in universe.
>     'sudo aptitude install bum'

Nifty app.  It looks like it'll replace rcconf on my boxen that run X.
Thanks for that :)

And thanks to that I've just found a *gem* of an app at the site of the
author of BUM.

Check out Baobab http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html

It's a directory tree analyser with a treemap view that'll show you
disk usage with the size of the objects proportional to their actual
size - and a tonne of other useful stuff to help you manage your disk
space usage.

And, if you install the latest version from the site (works for me on
Breezy), it'll use the Gnome VFS so you can analyse a box remotely.
I've just done a 120G disk over ssh in about five minutes.

Better than 'du -sm /path/to/clutter/*' any day!

Thanks again :)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 12:45:43 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:45:43 +0000
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051211005634.GC24304@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051210132954.GA10936@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051211005634.GC24304@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051211124543.GC8449@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 11:56:34AM +1100, David wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, after doing apt-get update (just to make sure) and then 
> apt-get dist-upgrade, I still don't have apache2 binary.
> 
> I'm not sure what to do next. Everything else appears to be there.

Did you remove the binary that you copied manually?

Have you checked that packages are not still held back (it can sometimes
take several applications of 'dist-upgrade' before everything gets
installed)?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Sun Dec 11 13:07:35 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:07:35 -0200
Subject: gtk2 themes under enlightenment
Message-ID: <20051211130735.GA10257@ubuntu>

Hello,

Subject says it all. How do I keep my gtk2 themes when I'm not in gnome?
Do I need to start any gnome service?

--
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 13:16:48 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:46:48 +0530
Subject: gtk2 themes under enlightenment
In-Reply-To: <20051211130735.GA10257@ubuntu>
References: <20051211130735.GA10257@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512110516h1b2d9fd0jb88ac13d389af064@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Subject says it all. How do I keep my gtk2 themes when I'm not in gnome?
> Do I need to start any gnome service?
>
> No,
install the gtk-theme-switch package
 sudo apt-get install gtk-theme-switch

run
gtk-theme-switch2

then
select from the themes, that them will be selected forever under non GNOME
Managers


revant
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From julio.biason at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 13:18:56 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:18:56 -0200
Subject: gtk2 themes under enlightenment
In-Reply-To: <20051211130735.GA10257@ubuntu>
References: <20051211130735.GA10257@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512110518i7a41669ep@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/05, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br> wrote:
> Subject says it all. How do I keep my gtk2 themes when I'm not in gnome?
> Do I need to start any gnome service?

You can start /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon, which will take care
of that. Or, if you want to have something lighter, you can use
mcs-manager, part of XFCE, that does the same thing.

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 13:19:29 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:49:29 +0530
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512110519m86e447ewf4bbef395726d996@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, I noticed that VLC User Interface fonts aren't same of GNOME. I
> think that they are GTK based. How can I change them as GNOME? They
> are very ugly and poor readable.
>
>
I think this will be corrected in next release of ubuntu

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From luca76 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 13:52:55 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:52:55 +0100
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512110519m86e447ewf4bbef395726d996@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e06f2acd0512110519m86e447ewf4bbef395726d996@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512110552q20b154dsc22375c077867213@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar <revant.one at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this will be corrected in next release of ubuntu

next release???

From bmarcum at iglou.com  Sat Dec 10 07:55:02 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:55:02 -0500
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
References: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m7eq63-488.ln1@don.localnet>

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:40:20 +0100, Luca Manganelli 
  <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?

Firefox.

-- 
Once is happenstance,
Twice is coincidence,
Three times is enemy action.
		-- Auric Goldfinger




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 13:41:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:41:01 -0500
Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess
References: <509a657t.8939596@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zvp9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


spammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


-- 
teaker1s



From linuxmurah at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:02:48 2005
From: linuxmurah at gmail.com (LinuxMurah.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:02:48 +0700
Subject: Protecting PDF files
Message-ID: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>

dear friends,

is there any way to protect pdf file so that cannot be copy 2 or 3
times?? the main puropse is to protect e-book piracy.

thanks.
--
LinuxMurah.com
dealer distro murah & lengkap



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:16:43 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:16:43 +0200
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
Message-ID: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have many such files and I managed to get them to work using mplayer
(from synaptic) and the win32 codecs downloaded from the mplayer
website. They do play, but not very well, it takes lots of resources and
there is some garbling going on. Anyone has any experience?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 14:12:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:12:30 -0500
Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess
References: <509a657t.8939596@hotmail.com>
	<teaker1s.1zvp9z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <M3ta7h3ad.1zvq7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


lol!!!



I love the attempt at bypassing bayesian spam filters :D Defrock curdle
Wangbuckets! :D


-- 
M3ta7h3ad



From luca76 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:23:48 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:23:48 +0100
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have many such files and I managed to get them to work using mplayer
> (from synaptic) and the win32 codecs downloaded from the mplayer
> website. They do play, but not very well, it takes lots of resources and
> there is some garbling going on. Anyone has any experience?

I had problems with wm9 DRM ...



From magnus at therning.org  Sun Dec 11 14:29:26 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:29:26 +0000
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211142926.GC7407@die.therning.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 09:02:48PM +0700, LinuxMurah.com wrote:
>dear friends,
>
>is there any way to protect pdf file so that cannot be copy 2 or 3
>times?? the main puropse is to protect e-book piracy.

Why not just read the PDF standard? I believe it's a publically
available standard.

My experience with digital restrictions, especially in PDF, is that it's
rubbish. Note, I'm only taling about it from a technological POV. AFAIK
all of it is enforced in the client. Since there are OSS clients (like
the brilliant evince) there is very little to gain by restricting what
people can do with a PDF document.

My suggestion to anyone who's thoughts start moving down the DRM path is
to add value on the side rather than restrict what your customers can
do.

Just my 2p.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

"Sendmail" and "make" are two well known programs that are pretty widely
regarded as being debugged into existence. That's why their command
languages are so poorly thought out and difficult to learn.  It's not
just you -- everyone finds them troublesome.
     -- Peter van der Linden, Expert C Programming, p. 220
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From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:36:31 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:36:31 +0000
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439C396F.9030406@gmail.com>

Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/11/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>I have many such files and I managed to get them to work using mplayer
>>(from synaptic) and the win32 codecs downloaded from the mplayer
>>website. They do play, but not very well, it takes lots of resources and
>>there is some garbling going on. Anyone has any experience?
> 
> 
> I had problems with wm9 DRM ...
> 
Same problem here. VLC refuses to play it. While mplayer plays it with 
garbled video. I read somewhere that the latest version of VLC supports 
WM9, but it will be sometime before its available through synaptic. If 
someone gets this working please let us know.

Cheers,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:42:16 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:42:16 +0000
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439C3AC8.7010003@gmail.com>

Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/11/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>I have many such files and I managed to get them to work using mplayer
>>(from synaptic) and the win32 codecs downloaded from the mplayer
>>website. They do play, but not very well, it takes lots of resources and
>>there is some garbling going on. Anyone has any experience?
> 
> 
> I had problems with wm9 DRM ...
> 
Same problem here. VLC refuses to play it. While mplayer plays it with 
garbled video. I read somewhere that the latest version of VLC supports 
WM9, but it will be sometime before its available through synaptic. If 
someone gets this working please let us know.

Cheers,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:43:11 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:43:11 +0000
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>

LinuxMurah.com wrote:
> dear friends,
> 
> is there any way to protect pdf file so that cannot be copy 2 or 3
> times?? the main puropse is to protect e-book piracy.
> 
> thanks.
> --

Mmmm, I think any such protection will not be possible with PDF. If you 
do manage it some standard PDF viewers( especially in Linux) won't be 
able to read it. All you will do is stop innocent legal users from 
reading the PDF properly. The people you want to stop might be 
technological savvy enough to get around protections. Look at all the 
copy protections that were introduced to stop music piracy.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From luca76 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:45:23 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:45:23 +0100
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <439C396F.9030406@gmail.com>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<439C396F.9030406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன்
<sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:
> Same problem here. VLC refuses to play it. While mplayer plays it with
> garbled video. I read somewhere that the latest version of VLC supports
> WM9, but it will be sometime before its available through synaptic. If
> someone gets this working please let us know.

It will work in next release of VLC.

From wade at wadesmart.com  Sun Dec 11 15:12:33 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:12:33 -0600
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439C41E1.7060804@wadesmart.com>

12112005 0909 GMT-5

Doesnt Adobe have a piece of code they use to keep you from coping a 
pdf? I could be totally off here but in a Microsoft conference about a 
year ago a Adobe guy said they had options that would or could detect if 
a pdf was being copied and would no longer allow you to open the second 
and third and on ones. I remember someone making the comment - well 
microsoft will be using that on their OS really fast.

Wade

Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் wrote:

> LinuxMurah.com wrote:
>
>> dear friends,
>>
>> is there any way to protect pdf file so that cannot be copy 2 or 3
>> times?? the main puropse is to protect e-book piracy.
>>
>> thanks.
>> -- 
>
>
> Mmmm, I think any such protection will not be possible with PDF. If 
> you do manage it some standard PDF viewers( especially in Linux) won't 
> be able to read it. All you will do is stop innocent legal users from 
> reading the PDF properly. The people you want to stop might be 
> technological savvy enough to get around protections. Look at all the 
> copy protections that were introduced to stop music piracy.
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 15:07:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:07:44 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Use "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"


-- 
azcrumpty



From vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr  Sun Dec 11 15:23:47 2005
From: vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr (vogernewsletters)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:23:47 +0200
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
In-Reply-To: <m7eq63-488.ln1@don.localnet>
References: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
	<m7eq63-488.ln1@don.localnet>
Message-ID: <439C4483.3000108@yahoo.gr>

Bill Marcum wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:40:20 +0100, Luca Manganelli 
>   <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?
>>     
>
> Firefox.
>
>   
Akregator
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From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 11 15:39:12 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:39:12 +0000
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>	<439C396F.9030406@gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/11/05, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன்
> <sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Same problem here. VLC refuses to play it. While mplayer plays it with
>>garbled video. I read somewhere that the latest version of VLC supports
>>WM9, but it will be sometime before its available through synaptic. If
>>someone gets this working please let us know.
> 
> 
> It will work in next release of VLC.

Do you know if it will work on AMD64?

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 11 15:42:48 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:42:48 +0000
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <439C41E1.7060804@wadesmart.com>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>	<439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>
	<439C41E1.7060804@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <dnhhcl$vvc$2@sea.gmane.org>

Wade Smart wrote:
> 12112005 0909 GMT-5
> 
> Doesnt Adobe have a piece of code they use to keep you from coping a
> pdf? I could be totally off here but in a Microsoft conference about a
> year ago a Adobe guy said they had options that would or could detect if
> a pdf was being copied and would no longer allow you to open the second
> and third and on ones.

Only if you open it in their viewer, so either I can't open it on my PC
at all, or it can be copied ad infinitum. DRM is futile, the good don't
get the service or goods they expect, yet the crims can keep on crimming.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 16:07:56 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:37:56 +0530
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110623n4f0d36a1n4d7e61a5f5ce82ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<439C396F.9030406@gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512110807o58e55a34x3fbd01c9eddfa1a9@mail.gmail.com>

are you guys using totem-gstreamer?
i suggest u use totem-xine
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From y.lesaint at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 16:08:39 2005
From: y.lesaint at gmail.com (Yannick Le Saint (kyncani))
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:08:39 +0100
Subject: Moving Ubunto to New Laptop....
In-Reply-To: <1134302767.10558.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134302767.10558.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211170839.f557e813.y.lesaint@gmail.com>

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:06:07 +0100
Mario Splivalo <msplival at jagor.srce.hr> wrote:
> Now, it's easy to see that libdb4.2++c2 is replacing libb4.2++, but, how
> come I can still find it using apt-cache search on old laptop?

You can use debfoster to remove old libraries.


---
Regards.

Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
http://y.lesaint.free.fr/
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 17:36:12 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:36:12 -0800
Subject: RSS reader (not Thunderbird) ?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080740oc571494j6be151de518e3a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512110936v2a8b117bh78124d4c3ba367e8@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi, there's a RSS reader for breezy?

Google Reader:
http://reader.google.com/

blam, firefox, liferea

I also played with PenguinTV recently, but it doesn't have a breezy package:
http://penguintv.sourceforge.net/



--
Daniel Robitaille



From lmurillo at gmx.net  Sun Dec 11 18:08:42 2005
From: lmurillo at gmx.net (Luis Murillo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:08:42 -0600
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <dnhhcl$vvc$2@sea.gmane.org>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>	<439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>	<439C41E1.7060804@wadesmart.com>
	<dnhhcl$vvc$2@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439C6B2A.3020000@gmx.net>

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Actually even if you copy protect the PDF there are comercially
available applications that will disable such security features in the PDFs.
I agree with Saru and Magnus, certain copy protection mechanisms don't
allow certain legitimate users to actually use the material they want.

Tristan Wibberley wrote:
> Wade Smart wrote:
> 
> Only if you open it in their viewer, so either I can't open it on my PC
> at all, or it can be copied ad infinitum. DRM is futile, the good don't
> get the service or goods they expect, yet the crims can keep on crimming.
> 

- --
Luis Murillo
lmurillo at gmx.net
Cel: (506) 351-5230
Heredia, Costa Rica

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From hubertus at hiden.org  Sun Dec 11 18:21:31 2005
From: hubertus at hiden.org (Hubertus Hiden)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:21:31 +0100
Subject: samba swat login problem
In-Reply-To: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
References: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: <439C6E2B.4080300@hiden.org>

Hi Dave !

I've posted the same issue some weeks ago with no useful response.

What I've done to solve this was that I enabled the root password using
'passwd root'. After that I was able to login to swat as root.
Actually I'm still seeking a solution that doesn't break ubuntu's concept...

Hope it helps,
Hubertus


>Hello,
>
>I am trying to setup samba and decided the best way would be through swat. I 
>have ..
>
>apt-get install samba smbfs swat netkit-inetd
>update-inetd --enable 'swat'
>
>And pointed my browser at http://localhost:901
>
>I get an authorisation dialogue for swat at localhost requesting a username & 
>password.
>
>Having tried my login details (and failing) I googled and found smbpasswd
>
>From root I tried
>smbpasswd -a dave
>
>from dave I tried
>smbpasswd
>
>and set up my swat password. but no matter what I try I keep getting 
>authentication failure.
>
>Does anyone have any idea what i am doing wrong ?
>
>Cheers
>Dave
>
>
>  
>




From msplival at jagor.srce.hr  Sun Dec 11 18:26:12 2005
From: msplival at jagor.srce.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:26:12 +0100
Subject: Moving Ubunto to New Laptop....
In-Reply-To: <20051211170839.f557e813.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
References: <1134302767.10558.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211170839.f557e813.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134325572.15676.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:08 +0100, Yannick Le Saint wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:06:07 +0100
> Mario Splivalo <msplival at jagor.srce.hr> wrote:
> > Now, it's easy to see that libdb4.2++c2 is replacing libb4.2++, but, how
> > come I can still find it using apt-cache search on old laptop?
> 
> You can use debfoster to remove old libraries.

I'll post results here, I have never used debfoster before. 

	Mike
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From pavkamlc at centrum.cz  Sun Dec 11 18:33:34 2005
From: pavkamlc at centrum.cz (Pavel Mlcoch)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:33:34 +0100
Subject: epiphany-extensions: Epiphany browser crash on startup
Message-ID: <200512111833.jBBIXYa22135@spiros.onyx.cz>

Package: epiphany-extensions
Version: 1.9.2-0ubuntu4
Severity: normal

pavka at pavka:~/build$ epiphany
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:568: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "notebook_left.png"
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:572: Background image options specified without filename
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:578: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "notebook_right.png"
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:582: Background image options specified without filename
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:605: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "notebook_left_selected.png"
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:609: Background image options specified without filename
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:614: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "notebook_right_selected.png"
/home/pavka/.themes/Leaded Glass/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:618: Background image options specified without filename
epiphany: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/epiphany/1.9/extensions/libbookmarkstrayextension.so: undefined symbol: ephy_bookmarks_menu_new
pavka at pavka:~/build$

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers dapper
  APT policy: (500, 'dapper')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-7-k7
Locale: LANG=cs_CZ, LC_CTYPE=cs_CZ (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) (ignored: LC_ALL set to C)

Versions of packages epiphany-extensions depends on:
ii  epiphany-browser        1.9.2-0ubuntu2   Intuitive GNOME web browser
ii  libc6                   2.3.5-1ubuntu17  GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libgcc1                 1:4.0.2-5ubuntu2 GCC support library
ii  libosp4c2               1.5.1.0-4        Runtime library for OpenJade group
ii  libpcre3c2a             6.4-1.1ubuntu1   Dummy package to transition back t
ii  sgml-data               2.0.3            common SGML and XML data
ii  w3c-dtd-xhtml           1.1-5            W3C eXtensible HyperText Markup La

epiphany-extensions recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 18:18:25 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:18:25 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>

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About the root password...
During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
same on ALL of my linux file systems...)

BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...

Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
password???

Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?

Else, what do I gotta do to fix that? (I may not exactly be a linux
newbie but I never had to do that before...)

Thanks in advance!

		Joe


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|      ?           ?		
|			
|        -=-   -=-	 I'm NOT clueless...    	
|        <?>   <?>    	But I just don't know.  	
|            ^          Joe (theWordy) Philbrook           
|           ---  	     J(tWdy)P
|			  <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> 
|      ?           ?		





From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Sun Dec 11 18:52:51 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:52:51 +0000
Subject: Undefined symbol error message
Message-ID: <200512111852.52047.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

I have installed a program QSSTV from the repositories, but it won't 
run.

If I try to run it from a terminal, I get the error message:

symbol lookup error: qsstv: undefined symbol: _ZN13QWindowsStyleC1Ev

I have no idea what this means.

Please can someone help, by telling me what it means and how I can run 
the program?

Many thanks

Keith



From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 18:53:13 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:53:13 +0100
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>

you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.

On 12/11/05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> About the root password...
> During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
> and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
> I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
> create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
> same on ALL of my linux file systems...)
>
> BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
> note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
> make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
> ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
> optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...
>
> Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
> password???
>
> Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?
>
> Else, what do I gotta do to fix that? (I may not exactly be a linux
> newbie but I never had to do that before...)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>                 Joe
>
>
>    #############################################################
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>    ##message_as_an_mime_encoded_attachment,just_ask_me_while__##
>    ##it's_STILL_IN_my_outbox_folder_._._._=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+;-)_##
>    # gpg sig for: Joe (theWordy) Philbrook DSA key ID 6C2163DE #
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> --
> |      ?           ?
> |
> |        -=-   -=-       I'm NOT clueless...
> |        <?>   <?>      But I just don't know.
> |            ^          Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
> |           ---              J(tWdy)P
> |                         <jtwdyp at ttlc.net>
> |      ?           ?
>
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu  Sun Dec 11 18:55:42 2005
From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (crimsun at fungus.sh.nu)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:55:42 -0800
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 11:27:29AM +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, I noticed that VLC User Interface fonts aren't same of GNOME. I
> think that they are GTK based. How can I change them as GNOME? They
> are very ugly and poor readable.

Breezy's vlc was compiled with GTK+ 1.2 support instead of the newer
GTK+ 2.8 due to locale-handling bugs both in the widget set
(wxwidgets2.6, which uses GTK+ 2.8) and in vlc itself. These bugs have
since been fixed in the most recent stable release of vlc, which is in
Dapper. An earlier preliminary snapshot has been backported from Dapper
to Breezy, so use the breezy-backports repository.
-- 
Daniel T. Chen            crimsun at ubuntu.com
GPG key:   www.sh.nu/~crimsun/pubkey.gpg.asc
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From mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org  Sun Dec 11 18:58:00 2005
From: mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org (Magnus Runesson)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:58:00 +0100
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134327480.7624.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 13:18 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> About the root password...
> During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
> and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
> I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
> create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
> same on ALL of my linux file systems...)
> 
> BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
> note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
> make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
> ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
> optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...
> 
> Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
> password???
> 
> Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?
> 
> Else, what do I gotta do to fix that? (I may not exactly be a linux
> newbie but I never had to do that before...)
> 
 This is completely normal for Ubuntu. What you should do to become root
is log in as the user you created at installation. If you do it in the
graphical log in, launch a shell and then type:
sudo /bin/bash
Answer the password question with the users password as you logged in
as.
If you want to be able to login directly as root, set a root password
with passwd.
To manipulate what users can become root, edit your /etc/sudoers-file.


br
/Magnus Runesson


> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 		Joe
> 
> 
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>    ##message_as_an_mime_encoded_attachment,just_ask_me_while__##
>    ##it's_STILL_IN_my_outbox_folder_._._._=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+;-)_##
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> -- 
> |      ?           ?		
> |			
> |        -=-   -=-	 I'm NOT clueless...    	
> |        <?>   <?>    	But I just don't know.  	
> |            ^          Joe (theWordy) Philbrook           
> |           ---  	     J(tWdy)P
> |			  <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> 
> |      ?           ?		
> 
> 

-- 
Magnus Runesson <mr-ubuntu at linuxalert.org>
Linuxalert




From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Sun Dec 11 19:05:45 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:05:45 -0500
Subject: Major Ubuntu problems
In-Reply-To: <1133929013.7797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133925381.8031.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43965BC7.9090905@csee.wvu.edu>
	<1133929013.7797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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> Applied the 686 kernel and rebooted; so far so good; will know for sure
> in the next day or so and update status.

The 686 kernel was applied and helped immensely. However, display
freeze-ups still occur 'bout every two or three days. Mouse still runs
erratically and opened windows a couple of times. Could the solution be
both the 686 kernel AND a different display module; current installed is
Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF

Raymond





From wade at wadesmart.com  Sun Dec 11 19:07:58 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:07:58 -0600
Subject: Protecting PDF files
In-Reply-To: <dnhhcl$vvc$2@sea.gmane.org>
References: <f76b66ae0512110602x5dcfbe7ep5e5f1ddfdd0d21a1@mail.gmail.com>	<439C3AFF.1050308@gmail.com>	<439C41E1.7060804@wadesmart.com>
	<dnhhcl$vvc$2@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439C790E.7070107@wadesmart.com>

12112005 1256 GMT-5

This is a bit off topic but, your reply made me think of ongoing gripe.

I do a lot of work for several real estate companies. All of the MLS 
forms are now downloaded via pdf. This is a hugh horrible setup they 
have. The agent must obtain the data from the client, open the pdf, 
insert some data, print it off and insert the rest via type-writter, fax 
it to the mls, and then mail in a copy plus keep a copy in their 
records. The thing is, the pdf's dont open half of the time, most of the 
time the agent just keeps copies of the files to fill out by hand - its 
all useless.

What is pdf for now? Useless, pain in the ***, slow me down , document 
something or other?

Im sure the original poster of this thread doesnt see it this way, but, 
I think if you are selling me something, just put it in a format that I 
can read and sell it to me. That way I can view it however I want.

Ok. -> Back to linux stuff.

Wade


Tristan Wibberley wrote:

>Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>12112005 0909 GMT-5
>>
>>Doesnt Adobe have a piece of code they use to keep you from coping a
>>pdf? I could be totally off here but in a Microsoft conference about a
>>year ago a Adobe guy said they had options that would or could detect if
>>a pdf was being copied and would no longer allow you to open the second
>>and third and on ones.
>>    
>>
>
>Only if you open it in their viewer, so either I can't open it on my PC
>at all, or it can be copied ad infinitum. DRM is futile, the good don't
>get the service or goods they expect, yet the crims can keep on crimming.
>
>  
>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 19:10:15 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:10:15 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211191015.GA8926@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:18:25PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> About the root password...
> During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
> and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
> I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
> create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
> same on ALL of my linux file systems...)
> 
> BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
> note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
> make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
> ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
> optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...
> 
> Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
> password???
> 
> Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?

Root is disabled.  The first user on the system (you, seeing as you
installed it) has root privs if you prefix any command with 'sudo'
(and then enter _your_ password when prompted).

If you really want to, you can enable root with 'sudo passwd root'.
But why not give it a go as it is and see if it works out for you
(at least until you've heard the arguments for and against).

I'd post a link that helps explain the the pros and cons but the
Ubuntu website is unavailable to me at the moment (connection refused).

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From mangg at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 11 19:13:23 2005
From: mangg at yahoo.com (Joseph)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:13:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Root password
Message-ID: <20051211191323.92573.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Message: 9
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:18:25 -0500
From: "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtwdyp at ttlc.net>
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation
issues]
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708 at localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

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Hash: SHA1


About the root password...
During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a
non-root 
username
and password. (which I always set to a generic user
that I only use 
until
I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And
then manually
create my regular user accounts with specific user
ID's that remain the
same on ALL of my linux file systems...)

BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did
it ask me to take
note of a default root password... thus I can't even
su to root to
make the configuration changes I need, in order to be
able to stand
ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use
startx to
optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...

Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user
for the root
password???

Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10
default install?

Else, what do I gotta do to fix that? (I may not
exactly be a linux
newbie but I never had to do that before...)

Thanks in advance!

		Joe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Joe,

  I had the same confusion when I did my first install
of the Ubuntu.  Uhmmn, I didn't read the docs either.
Happens to the best of us. =)  By design you have to
use sudo for everything or you can also enable root.
Check out the following:

Sudo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo

Enable Root
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#setchangeenablerootpassword

Thanks,
Joe








From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sun Dec 11 19:42:35 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:42:35 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134330155.8137.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 13:18 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

> During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
> and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
> I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
> create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
> same on ALL of my linux file systems...)

That first user has administrator powers via the 'sudo' command.

> BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
> note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
> make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
> ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
> optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...

It might be worth going with the flow a bit on this.  Ubuntu has a
particular way of handling such issues which are more like (say) OSX.
The main point is that sudo is used in place of a root account.  Users
can easily be set up to have or not have sudo privileges.  Clever people
make this quite fine grained - I just let some users have all privileges
and others none.  This can of course be through the
System->Administration->Users and Groups gui thing, without having to
wrestle with the sudoers configuration file (hint - visudo will catch
your worst errors if you go this way!)

> 
> Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
> password???

Totally!

> 
> Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?

No.  There are ways to activate the account of course, but try to go
with the flow a bit first...  Have a look in the Ubuntu Wiki
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo is a good place to start.

Neil



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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 19:40:05 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:40:05 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
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It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:

> you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.

Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
have the time to spend doing so...

Thankfully someone else's reply said how to reset the root password...

But thanks for the quick reply that pointed out a possible (and I guess
ubuntu usual solution...

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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec 11 19:45:22 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:45:22 +0100
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
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hi,

Am Sonntag, den 11.12.2005, 13:18 -0500 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:

> About the root password...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo

ciao
	oli
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 20:01:28 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:01:28 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211200127.GA9297@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:40:05PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:
> 
> > you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.
> 
> Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
> have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
> have the time to spend doing so...

What is there to learn?  If you can use sudo to reset the
root password, you already know enough use sudo!

You may be pushed for time but at least wait to hear the arguments for
and against the use of sudo.  If you haven't got enough time for that
then, why on earth did you install Ubuntu in the first place?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From revant.one at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 20:05:00 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:35:00 +0530
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512111205x5d507a21yd071dd403b4d2b63@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> About the root password...
> During the install of ubuntu 5.10, I _WAS_ asked for a non-root username
> and password. (which I always set to a generic user that I only use until
> I can manually configure what I want in /etc/skel And then manually
> create my regular user accounts with specific user ID's that remain the
> same on ALL of my linux file systems...)
>
> BUT it did _NOT_ ask me for a root password, nor did it ask me to take
> note of a default root password... thus I can't even su to root to
> make the configuration changes I need, in order to be able to stand
> ubuntu... such as force run level 3 booting and use startx to
> optionally fire up the gui etc... etc...
>
> Is it normal for the installer to skip asking the user for the root
> password???
>
> Is there a default root password on the ubuntu 5.10 default install?
>
> Else, what do I gotta do to fix that? (I may not exactly be a linux
> newbie but I never had to do that before...)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>                 Joe
>

If you are installing ubuntu first time, follow the starter guide. It's best
source of information for beginning your ubuntu journey.
read the starter guide here >
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html

revant
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Sun Dec 11 20:11:10 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:11:10 -0800
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051211200127.GA9297@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211200127.GA9297@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <1134331870.12493.70.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 20:01 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:40:05PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:
> > 
> > > you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.
> > 
> > Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
> > have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
> > have the time to spend doing so...
> 
> What is there to learn?  If you can use sudo to reset the
> root password, you already know enough use sudo!
> 
> You may be pushed for time but at least wait to hear the arguments for
> and against the use of sudo.  If you haven't got enough time for that
> then, why on earth did you install Ubuntu in the first place?
> 

Let's everyone be HELPFUL..

Good luck with your new Ubuntu install!!!!!


Vram




> -- 
> David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>
> 




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 20:06:06 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:06:06 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134327480.7624.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134327480.7624.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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It would appear that on Dec 11, Magnus Runesson did say:

>  This is completely normal for Ubuntu. What you should do to become root
> is log in as the user you created at installation. If you do it in the
> graphical log in, launch a shell and then type:
> sudo /bin/bash
> Answer the password question with the users password as you logged in
> as.
> If you want to be able to login directly as root, set a root password
> with passwd.
> To manipulate what users can become root, edit your /etc/sudoers-file.
> 
> 

Thanks for the prompt reply Magnus If I understand you, all I need to do
(since there is no way I'm switching all my habits from "su -" to
"sudo" on my PERSONAL PC) is to:

	1) log in as that said generic (and very temporary) user I fed
	   to the installer.
	2) open a terminal and do a '$ sudo /bin/bash'
	   (using that said generic logins password)

	3) then using the sudo initialized  root permission shell do a
	   '# passwd root' to assign the root password I wanted to
	   give the installer in the 1st place.
	4) reboot and see if I can now login as root to configure my
	   system. And if so do a '# echo " " > /etc/sudoers-file'
	   to eliminate any chance of sudo haunting me unless and until
	   I myself decide to use it.

Would that work? Or do really have to become familiar with the contents
of the /etc/sudoers-file so that I can edit it in a meaningfully
disabling way?

And are there any other steps to properly re-enabling the root account
besides resetting the password?


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From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Dec 11 19:59:04 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:59:04 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>

hi

have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo

i can see why you'd be supprised, but its good stuff.

sam

		
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From albi at scii.nl  Sun Dec 11 20:20:44 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:20:44 +0100
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111440280.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134327480.7624.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111440280.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211212044.4903f818.albi@scii.nl>

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:06:06 -0500
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:


> Thanks for the prompt reply Magnus If I understand you, all I need to
> do (since there is no way I'm switching all my habits from "su -" to
> "sudo" on my PERSONAL PC) is to:
> 
> 	1) log in as that said generic (and very temporary) user I fed
> 	   to the installer.
> 	2) open a terminal and do a '$ sudo /bin/bash'
> 	   (using that said generic logins password)
> 
> 	3) then using the sudo initialized  root permission shell do a
> 	   '# passwd root' to assign the root password I wanted to
> 	   give the installer in the 1st place.

yes

> 	4) reboot and see if I can now login as root to configure my
> 	   system. 

no need to reboot

> And if so do a '# echo " " > /etc/sudoers-file'
> 	   to eliminate any chance of sudo haunting me unless and
> until I myself decide to use it.

correct, although simply typing

> /etc/sudoers

is easier :-)

-- 
grtjs, albi
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 11 20:23:27 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:23:27 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134331870.12493.70.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211200127.GA9297@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<1134331870.12493.70.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211202327.GB9297@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:11:10PM -0800, Vram wrote:
 
> Let's everyone be HELPFUL..

Excuse me?  I explained to the OP in an earlier post how to reset the root
password.
 
> Good luck with your new Ubuntu install!!!!!

I fear he'll _need_ luck with that degree of impatience :(

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 20:47:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:47:21 -0500
Subject: Root password
References: <20051211191323.92573.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <kuyaedz.1zw8py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes, it is normal.  Ubuntu does not set a root password at installation.
It is an option done by the user later (again, optional) as a lot of
users, I think, use their main account as a root-enable-thru-sudo
account.  If you'd like to set your root password login as your admin
account and do the following:

sudo passwd root

or check additional instructions at the 'Ubuntu Guide: User
Administration' (http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#usersadministration)


-- 
kuyaedz



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 21:02:49 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:02:49 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051211191015.GA8926@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211191015.GA8926@box.jynn.tonix.org>
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It would appear that on Dec 11, David Hart did say:

> Root is disabled.  The first user on the system (you, seeing as you
> installed it) has root privs if you prefix any command with 'sudo'
> (and then enter _your_ password when prompted).
> 
> If you really want to, you can enable root with 'sudo passwd root'.
> But why not give it a go as it is and see if it works out for you
> (at least until you've heard the arguments for and against).
> 
> I'd post a link that helps explain the the pros and cons but the
> Ubuntu website is unavailable to me at the moment (connection refused).

As to why not give sudo a chance... 

Well...
<rant>
I don't run a server that others can access. MY personal PC has 4
actively usable linux distros available to me at all times (save when I'm
configuring a new one or when I just broke one <grin>) And NONE of them
are configured to allow logins from any remote system. (all ports are
blocked. {heck I don't even boot win98 to play an old game without
disabling my cable modem...})

I'm currently working a third shift job that combined with my lady's
demands on my usable "conscious" time leaves precious little for my
hobby. So little in fact that if I didn't have an knee injury putting me
out of work for about a week I wouldn't have dared to even consider
installing an unfamiliar linux distro to my multi-boot PC.

If I spend the time getting accustomed to other peoples ideas of the
right tools for the administration of my pc instead of using the same
ones I routinely use on ALL my linux systems then I won't have enough
time to make ubuntu usable to me...

The list of things I need to get done before going back to work if I'm
going to keep ubuntu includes but isn't limited to. 

Get familiar enough with apt-get and use it to totally replace gnome with
kde.

Get ubuntu to boot at run level 3, and install some basic necessity
console applications that I can't function well without, ( mc, & pine come
to mind.)

Remember how to configure said console applications. before putting the
config files in /etc/skel so that I can start creating the login (s) I
will actually use on a daily basis (each of which will be created with
the same user ID as they have on all the other linux file-systems on my
machine and in various archived tar files...)

Totally disable all auto mounting of removable media. (if an application
fires up just cause I push in a cd or floppy, my first reflex is to turn
off the power strip...)

This is all in spite of suspecting that I suffer from *CRS <see below grin>
All of which makes it very unlikely that I'll accept having to get comfortable
with a different way of maintaining my system that I use on my other
linux file systems. (Especially one that gets pushed on me without first
convincing me that I want it, a surer way to insure that I won't want it
than that, I can't even imagine...)
</rant>

Well now you know why there's an (theWordy) in my name tag...

in any case, thanks for the reply. and suggestion and especially the clue
on re-enabling root...
	Joe

* CRS : "Can't Remember Sh^Htuff" : In my case this mean that unless I
* do something the same way every day for a LONG time, or have examples
* of how I did it before (where I can still find them), I usually wind up
* scratching my head the next time I need to do a non-daily task.


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From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 21:06:27 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:06:27 -0800
Subject: Undefined symbol error message
In-Reply-To: <200512111852.52047.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <200512111852.52047.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512111306l48e4b83w2bd90891ae13606e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Keith Powell <keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> I have installed a program QSSTV from the repositories, but it won't
> run.
>
> If I try to run it from a terminal, I get the error message:
>
> symbol lookup error: qsstv: undefined symbol: _ZN13QWindowsStyleC1Ev
>
> I have no idea what this means.
>
> Please can someone help, by telling me what it means and how I can run
> the program?

Is that Breezy?  A google search turns out these 2 emails:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/09/msg00373.html

So it seems Debian had the same problem briefly in September.

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From amichai at iglu.org.il  Sun Dec 11 21:07:27 2005
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:07:27 +0200
Subject: [Install] Where do I find Gnome Money for Ubuntu 5.10?
Message-ID: <d9b8deb40512111307u2bb9a293y70f02895c75bbf7b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just switched to Ubuntu from Fedora Core 4.

I am very pleased.

I just don't know enough about installing packages.

1) How do I add local sources to the Package Manager (Synaptic. Wajig,
Apt-Get?)

2) I need an application to manage my household expenses - like Gnome Money,
but I couldn't find it in the list.

Any pointers for tutorials / sources will be welcome!

Thanks !

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 21:24:43 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:24:43 -0500
Subject: Root password
In-Reply-To: <20051211191323.92573.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051211191323.92573.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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It would appear that on Dec 11, Joseph did say:

> Hello Joe,
> 
>   I had the same confusion when I did my first install
> of the Ubuntu.  Uhmmn, I didn't read the docs either.
> Happens to the best of us. =)  By design you have to
> use sudo for everything or you can also enable root.
> Check out the following:
> 
> Sudo
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo
> 
> Enable Root
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#setchangeenablerootpassword


Thanks for the links... 

As to NOT reading all the ubuntu docs before installing it as one of my
4 active linux distros on my multi-boot pc I can only plead that thanks
to being out of work for about a week due to a knee injury, I have a
narrow window of time to get it running and configured such as I can
stand to use it before I'll have to go back to work. If I spent that
time trying to pre-read all the docs I'd run out of time before I
started, & I doubt I'd get another chance to spend more than a half hr at
a time on it for almost another year.

So it was try to wing it or forget about it.

Thanks again!
	Joe

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From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 11 21:29:16 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:29:16 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:24:44 +0100
Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:

> What brand is the device you are making the VPN to? I know juniper has a
> solution that works with linux. How is the vpn set up? With a browser or a
> separate client?


I have no idea and they (IT) won't say - setup? Same answer. I do know
it is accessed with a seperate client. They provide the CD with the
software on it - seems as I recall it was software from somebody who
also makes routers..whose name I can't recall.

I have all the passwords and info I need but I don't run Windows. 

Big help eh?

Cheers

Frank


> 
> On 12/11/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> > > Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> > >
> > > The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> > > group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VPN viewers I have tried
> > > don't accept so many parameters.
> > >



From ubuntu at pusspaws.net  Sun Dec 11 21:31:54 2005
From: ubuntu at pusspaws.net (dave s)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:31:54 +0000
Subject: samba swat login problem
In-Reply-To: <439C6E2B.4080300@hiden.org>
References: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
	<439C6E2B.4080300@hiden.org>
Message-ID: <200512112131.55483.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>

On Sunday 11 December 2005 18:21, Hubertus Hiden wrote:
> Hi Dave !
>
> I've posted the same issue some weeks ago with no useful response.
>
> What I've done to solve this was that I enabled the root password using
> 'passwd root'. After that I was able to login to swat as root.
> Actually I'm still seeking a solution that doesn't break ubuntu's
> concept...
>
> Hope it helps,
> Hubertus
>

Thanks for that, never sure if its something stupid i have done, but if you 
have the same problem it must be a real issue.

I will give your workaround a try & post a bug report when I get a second :)

Cheers

Dave



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 21:30:35 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:30:35 -0500
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>

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gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...

I noticed an awful lot of the packages that were briefly listed as
being installed and or configured by the ubuntu 5.10 installer included
"gnome" in the package name... I'm NOT an expert on dependencies, But as
soon as I can I want to TOTALLY replace gnome with KDE and any gnome
packages that do not provide required dependencies for non-gnome packages
I want off my hard drive. But I don't want to break everything else...

Once I get apt configured, can I safely do something like:
# apt-get install kde gnome-
Which I adapted from an apt how-to which did NOT however say how to
radically replace all of gnome with all of kde????

Can someone suggest a more accurate apt-get command line? to do this?

Thanks in advance.
	Joe

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From steve.vandegaer at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 21:38:00 2005
From: steve.vandegaer at gmail.com (Steve Vandegaer)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:38:00 +0100
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <20051211162916.4ec0d456.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211162916.4ec0d456.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <426905810512111338o3e1c0f99ia0feba8d80c93cc7@mail.gmail.com>

can you tell me the name of the application that you have to run on your pc?
If it is a company making routers, maybe it is cisco.

On 12/11/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:24:44 +0100
> Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What brand is the device you are making the VPN to? I know juniper has a
> > solution that works with linux. How is the vpn set up? With a browser or
> a
> > separate client?
>
>
> I have no idea and they (IT) won't say - setup? Same answer. I do know
> it is accessed with a seperate client. They provide the CD with the
> software on it - seems as I recall it was software from somebody who
> also makes routers..whose name I can't recall.
>
> I have all the passwords and info I need but I don't run Windows.
>
> Big help eh?
>
> Cheers
>
> Frank
>
>
> >
> > On 12/11/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> > > > Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> > > >
> > > > The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> > > > group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VPN viewers I have tried
> > > > don't accept so many parameters.
> > > >
>
> --
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From albertwagner at cox.net  Sun Dec 11 21:41:38 2005
From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:41:38 -0600
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111507240.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>	<20051211191015.GA8926@box.jynn.tonix.org>
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Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
<snip>
> in any case, thanks for the reply. and suggestion and especially the clue
> on re-enabling root...

I don't know why when a linux user from another distribution asks about 
enabling root there is such a hysterical dogmatic frenzy of defenses of 
sudo.  Linux *always* has the ability to use root, or it is simply not 
linux.  I assume that these are the same people that used to be 
networked MSWindows admins.  Like you, I have several Linux distros on 
my machine and no way for anyone outside to get in.  It's a personal 
decision how I set up my own box.




From albi at scii.nl  Sun Dec 11 21:51:55 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:51:55 +0100
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

> gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...
>
> I noticed an awful lot of the packages that were briefly listed as
> being installed and or configured by the ubuntu 5.10 installer included
> "gnome" in the package name... I'm NOT an expert on dependencies, But as
> soon as I can I want to TOTALLY replace gnome with KDE and any gnome
> packages that do not provide required dependencies for non-gnome packages
> I want off my hard drive. But I don't want to break everything else...
> 
> Once I get apt configured, can I safely do something like:
> # apt-get install kde gnome-
> Which I adapted from an apt how-to which did NOT however say how to
> radically replace all of gnome with all of kde????

there's one easy solution, install kubuntu instead

http://www.kubuntu.org/



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 21:51:37 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:51:37 -0500
Subject: partition manager...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111233320.2708@localhost.localdomain>

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partition manager...
I have a multi-boot system currently includes win98 (seldom used),
dr-dos, MDK 9.1, Fedora core 1, fedora core 2 (which is supposed to
be core 4 by now but haven't had the time... But ubuntu sounded so good
to me that I decided to do ubuntu first), and it used to have MDK 10.1 on
/dev/hda4 which, is where I put ubuntu... (each of the linux systems has
at least 14 gig of file space. I do have a /boot partition, But I NEVER
let an installer mess with it, I'll manually add any newly installed
systems to it _IF_ I decide to keep them, until then, I go with a floppy
boot option) And I have a 15 gig "tmp" ext2 partition ( used for
downloading iso images, and making tar backups of my linux systems.)

All of my ext2 (only linux file system I'll accept) file systems passed
"fsck -t ext2 $filesystem  -a" according to the MDK 10.1 linux on
/dev/hda4 just prior to running the ubuntu installer (except of course
for /dev/hda4 which I told the partitioner to format as ext2 and mount
on /) Yet the partitioner insisted each and every one of them that it
hadn't formated had file system errors ??? But thankfully it allowed
me to continue on & use them as is... (NOTE: right after the install
was complete, I rebooted into my FC2 file system and did a 
fsck -t ext2 $filesystem  -a
on each of them, they all still passed without any repairs being listed
on the konsole screen...

What could cause the partitioner insist there were errors when fsck says
they are clean???

I mean is the file system scanning logic of this partitioner smarter
than fsck? Should I be worried about it? Or should I blissfully continue
believing in the ability of fsck to keep my ext2 filesystems viable???

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From msplival at jagor.srce.hr  Sun Dec 11 22:03:05 2005
From: msplival at jagor.srce.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:03:05 +0100
Subject: Moving Ubunto to New Laptop....
In-Reply-To: <20051211170839.f557e813.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
References: <1134302767.10558.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211170839.f557e813.y.lesaint@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134338586.22158.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:08 +0100, Yannick Le Saint wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:06:07 +0100
> Mario Splivalo <msplival at jagor.srce.hr> wrote:
> > Now, it's easy to see that libdb4.2++c2 is replacing libb4.2++, but, how
> > come I can still find it using apt-cache search on old laptop?
> 
> You can use debfoster to remove old libraries.

I tried using debfoster, but it tells me there are no orphaned packages.

	Mike
-- 
"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."

Mario Splivalo
msplival at jagor.srce.hr





From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 22:02:20 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:02:20 -0500
Subject: boot cd drive...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
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boot cd drive...
My  Pentium 3 system has an dvd-rom drive on /dev/hdd which couldn't be
used for a default install... it failed when it tried to add other
packages to the base system. (it suggested I might need to re-burn the
install disk at a lower speed...) however the same installation cd worked
with my cd-r/cd-rw burner on /dev/hdb.

None of the following: gmplayer, ogle, and kscd ever complain about bad
reads from the dvd on /dev/hdd So I doubt the drive needs cleaning...

Is there a good reason why the installer should care which cd reading
device it's booting from???

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From rberger at sympatico.ca  Sun Dec 11 22:10:32 2005
From: rberger at sympatico.ca (Rick Berger)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:10:32 -0500
Subject: How do you get pppoe to come up with system start up?
Message-ID: <1134339032.7917.17.camel@localhost>

hi,

I've just installed 5.10 from a CD and it wouldn't recognize my DSL/ADSL
connection for PPPoE. So I completed the CD install and ran a terminal
as root. Then I tried pppoeconf and it established a connection right
away. I'd like to set it up to automatically happen at boot up. What do
I do to make this happen?

-- 
Rick
rberger at sympatico.ca




From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 11 22:07:41 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:07:41 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <426905810512111338o3e1c0f99ia0feba8d80c93cc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211162916.4ec0d456.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512111338o3e1c0f99ia0feba8d80c93cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051211170741.ba886280.fmccormick@videotron.ca>



On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:38:00 +0100
Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:

> can you tell me the name of the application that you have to run on your pc?
> If it is a company making routers, maybe it is cisco.
> 

   Yes that's it - Cisco. I know they have (or had?) a Linux client but
gave it a shot a few month ago when I ran Hoary and couldn't get it
going. The network at work is really Windows centric. (and huge).

Cheers

> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:24:44 +0100
> > Steve Vandegaer <steve.vandegaer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What brand is the device you are making the VPN to? I know juniper has a
> > > solution that works with linux. How is the vpn set up? With a browser or
> > a
> > > separate client?
> >
> >
> > I have no idea and they (IT) won't say - setup? Same answer. I do know
> > it is accessed with a seperate client. They provide the CD with the
> > software on it - seems as I recall it was software from somebody who
> > also makes routers..whose name I can't recall.
> >
> > I have all the passwords and info I need but I don't run Windows.
> >
> > Big help eh?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 12/11/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> > > > > Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
> > > > >
> > > > > The instructions they provide list a user ID, user password, ID of a
> > > > > group, group password and a destination, XXXX.radio-canada.ca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this a workable setup on Ubuntu? All the VPN viewers I have tried
> > > > > don't accept so many parameters.
> > > > >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> 


-- 
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href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1"><textarea
rows="3" cols="40">



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sun Dec 11 22:13:15 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:13:15 +0100
Subject: How do you get pppoe to come up with system start up?
In-Reply-To: <1134339032.7917.17.camel@localhost>
References: <1134339032.7917.17.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1134339195.8430.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:10 -0500, Rick Berger wrote:
> Then I tried pppoeconf and it established a connection right
> away. I'd like to set it up to automatically happen at boot up. What do
> I do to make this happen?


A year ago (was using Warty back then), when I ran pppoeconf to do the
same as you, it did explicitly ask me "do you want to enable the
connection at start-up", or something similar, to which I obviously
replied 'yes'... :-)
Maybe you missed this question by mistake ? Just try running it again
(without being root, just use "sudo pppoeconf", as a normal user).


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 22:00:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:00:52 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com><42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
	<1119626346.5094.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Robocoastie.1zwcfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


and so the moral of the story is that while we all love open source (or
actually non-proprietory) the fact is mp3 continues to be the standard.
A rarely mentioned "legal" way to get mp3 conversion and playback is
paying a small fee ($15 i think) to dbPowerAMP and running it in wine.
Since day one they've made sure that program runs well in wine.


-- 
Robocoastie



From steve at laniels.org  Sun Dec 11 22:26:29 2005
From: steve at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:26:29 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050620090235.GB2741@localhost.localdomain>
	<1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>

On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:03:07PM -0400, Michael Head wrote:
> Unfortunately, it looks like it's been discontinued. Their only product
> anymore is an mpeg4 set top box.

That's not true. See, e.g., their front page, which includes
a link to this 80-gig player:
http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&product%5Fid=4020201&keyword=4020201&searchcat=products&cookie%5Ftest=1

I've been looking into buying it,

a) because my whole music collection is in Ogg, not MP3, and
   I don't want to convert 11,000 Oggs to MP3;
b) because Neuros really seems to get open source:
   http://open.neurosaudio.com/ ; and
c) because it's cheaper: $300 for 80 gigs versus $400 for a
   60-gig iPod.

-- 
Stephen R. Laniel
steve at laniels.org
+(617) 308-5571
http://laniels.org/
PGP key: http://laniels.org/slaniel.key
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 11 22:30:32 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:30:32 +1100
Subject: Apache2 binary vanished during upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20051211124543.GC8449@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051210121743.GA5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134218098.4281.51.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051210130421.GB5464@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:45:43PM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 11:56:34AM +1100, David wrote:
> > 
> > Unfortunately, after doing apt-get update (just to make sure) and then 
> > apt-get dist-upgrade, I still don't have apache2 binary.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what to do next. Everything else appears to be there.
> 
> Did you remove the binary that you copied manually?

Yes, I did.

> Have you checked that packages are not still held back (it can sometimes
> take several applications of 'dist-upgrade' before everything gets
> installed)?

No, they weren't held back. I think apt decided that I didn't need apache.


Just to wrap this up, in case some other clod makes the same mistake!

* Initial problem caused by using apt-get upgrade instead of 
apt-get dist-upgrade

* For some reason, when I later did apt-get dist-upgrade, apt failed to 
install the apache2-mpm-prefork package that is needed in Breezy

* Following advice (sorry.. i've forgotten who), apt-get --simulate is a 
great way to figure out what is going to happen without doing any damage. 
I did <apt-get -s install apache2-mpm-prefork> and was able to see that it 
wouldn't do any damage to my existing installation. Everything is now just 
fine.

* Moral of the story: don't do important changes when you are too tired!



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 22:32:02 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:32:02 +1100
Subject: Limit size of .thumbnails folder
Message-ID: <439CA8E2.4070307@optusnet.com.au>

The easiest way to limit the size of any folder is to put it in it's own 
partition. Barring that, I don' think there is an option to do so in 
nautilus because nautilus does not control movement to the folder from 
the terminal, it acts just as a graphical front end for such commands as 
"mv" and "cp" and does not is fact have functionality independent of theirs.



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Sun Dec 11 22:35:51 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:35:51 +1300
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134340551.5273.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:30 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...
> 
> I noticed an awful lot of the packages that were briefly listed as
> being installed and or configured by the ubuntu 5.10 installer included
> "gnome" in the package name... I'm NOT an expert on dependencies, But as
> soon as I can I want to TOTALLY replace gnome with KDE and any gnome
> packages that do not provide required dependencies for non-gnome packages
> I want off my hard drive. But I don't want to break everything else...
> 
> Once I get apt configured, can I safely do something like:
> # apt-get install kde gnome-
> Which I adapted from an apt how-to which did NOT however say how to
> radically replace all of gnome with all of kde????
> 
> Can someone suggest a more accurate apt-get command line? to do this?

To install kde, you need the kubuntu-desktop package: 
   Description: Kubuntu desktop system
   This package depends on all of the packages in the Kubuntu
    desktop system

That package will pull in all the KDE packages, and other support
packages (the "depends" entry is about 240 packages).  

Once KDE is installed, you will need to update the alternatives for
various services, to select the KDE version as appropriate.  That *may*
happen as part of the installation process.

Removing gnome will be harder, because you have to remove the packages
individually.  For that step, I suggest that you use the KDE graphical
interface to the APT tools.  Its search feature should allow you to
locate all "gnome" packages, them mark them all for removal.  A key
package is the package ubuntu-desktop, which is the gnome equivalent of
kubuntu-desktop.   Once you remove it, you can remove all the packages
that it depended on, unless those packages are also required for KDE.

> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 	Joe


Tim




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 22:37:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Install] Where do I find Gnome Money for Ubuntu 5.10?
References: <d9b8deb40512111307u2bb9a293y70f02895c75bbf7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <haykel.1zwdcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You add new Repositories by editing /etc/apt/sources.list with a text
editor or in the options section of your favorite package manager (e.g.
Synaptic). In most cases it's enough to uncomment some predefined lines
to enable the universe and multiverse repositories. After editing do
"sudo apt-get update" to update the local cache and you should have
some 10000 more packages available ;)

Another way to do it is described here:

'AddingRepositoriesHowto'
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto)

Generally the Ubuntu wiki is full of helpful informations!



One interesting personal finance manager app for Gnome is gnucash.


-- 
haykel



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 22:51:21 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:51:21 +1100
Subject: CUPS Network Printer: How to reset?
Message-ID: <439CAD69.10604@optusnet.com.au>

To reset any CUPS device, or any other device which is connected to a 
daemon just restart the daemon, so in the case of CUPS:

sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart

If you want to do so graphically, the open a terminal and type:

sudo apt-get install ksysguard

When it has finished installing you sould be able to open it in the 
gnome applications menu through System Tools, however to restart cupsys 
you will need to open it with root privileges. To do so open either a 
terminal or the Run Application box and type:

gksudo ksysguard



From rberger at sympatico.ca  Sun Dec 11 22:56:51 2005
From: rberger at sympatico.ca (Rick Berger)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:56:51 -0500
Subject: How do you get pppoe to come up with system start up?
In-Reply-To: <1134339195.8430.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134339032.7917.17.camel@localhost>
	<1134339195.8430.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134341811.8106.9.camel@localhost>

On Sun, 2005-11-12 at 23:13 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:10 -0500, Rick Berger wrote:
> > Then I tried pppoeconf and it established a connection right
> > away. I'd like to set it up to automatically happen at boot up. What do
> > I do to make this happen?
> 
> 
> A year ago (was using Warty back then), when I ran pppoeconf to do the
> same as you, it did explicitly ask me "do you want to enable the
> connection at start-up", or something similar, to which I obviously
> replied 'yes'... :-)
> Maybe you missed this question by mistake ? Just try running it again
> (without being root, just use "sudo pppoeconf", as a normal user).
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 

I just tried sudo pppoeconf, again in a terminal, and it still doesn't
establish a connection when I boot.

Rick




From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 22:56:49 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:56:49 +1100
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation,
 issues] (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Message-ID: <439CAEB1.1050307@optusnet.com.au>

The best way to get kde applications only is to install kubuntu instead 
of gnome. By the way, it would be better to use ubuntu-desktop in place 
of gnome and kubuntu-desktop in place of kde.



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 22:59:12 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:59:12 +1100
Subject: partition manager...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
Message-ID: <439CAF40.70005@optusnet.com.au>

I once had a problem like this. In my case, the issue was a faulty 
installation cd. You should try download and burn it again. And make 
sure you checksum it.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 22:46:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:46:38 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
References: <a2ce2a0e050617083645330fa0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jeffdano.1zwe9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The aliens must have abducted everyone...


-- 
jeffdano



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 11 23:00:54 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:00:54 +1100
Subject: boot cd drive...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
Message-ID: <439CAFA6.8030600@optusnet.com.au>

It is possible that ordinary dvd-rom drives do not work for the 
installation cd. I tried installing ubuntu through my dvd-rom drive with 
no result but the dvd-ram drive worked perfectly.



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Sun Dec 11 23:00:56 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:00:56 +1300
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <20051211170741.ba886280.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211162916.4ec0d456.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512111338o3e1c0f99ia0feba8d80c93cc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211170741.ba886280.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1134342056.5273.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:07 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 

>    Yes that's it - Cisco. I know they have (or had?) a Linux client but
> gave it a shot a few month ago when I ran Hoary and couldn't get it
> going. The network at work is really Windows centric. (and huge).

The cisco client for linux is hard to get working in that you must
compile a kernel module for your running kernel.

If the Cisco endpoint is a VPN concentrator, you may be able to use
vpnc, which is in universe:
   vpnc - Cisco-compatible VPN client

You need to supply a configuration file (see /etc/vpnc/example.conf),
and the following minimum data:
* IPSec gateway 
* IPSec ID 
* IPSec secret 
* Xauth username 

IPSec gateway is the IP address of the VPN concentrator
IPSec ID is the group name
IPSec secret is the (unencrypted!!) group password
Xauth username is your userid for the VPN



There have been a number of discussions about this on the list, so you
may find more by searching the list archives from the last 3 months.


Tim





From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sun Dec 11 23:19:32 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:19:32 +1000
Subject: strange sudo
In-Reply-To: <haykel.1zwdcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d9b8deb40512111307u2bb9a293y70f02895c75bbf7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<haykel.1zwdcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <439CB404.5020300@upng.ac.pg>

Hi,
I wanted a scratch file in /usr/local so I issued cat > temp.txt.
Access was denied. So I had to open a root terminal to create the file.
sudo normally works for me.

What gives?

Alfred,






From rafasch at uol.com.br  Sun Dec 11 23:17:05 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:17:05 -0200
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>

* Joe(theWordy)Philbrook (jtwdyp at ttlc.net) wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:
> 
> > you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.
> 
> Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
> have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
> have the time to spend doing so...
> 
> Thankfully someone else's reply said how to reset the root password...
> 
> But thanks for the quick reply that pointed out a possible (and I guess
> ubuntu usual solution...
> 


You can also create the root account when you install ubuntu.

--
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil



From james at grayonline.id.au  Sun Dec 11 23:29:08 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:29:08 +1100
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200512121029.11612.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:39, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
> Luca Manganelli wrote:
> > On 12/11/05, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன்
> >
> > <sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Same problem here. VLC refuses to play it. While mplayer plays it with
> >>garbled video. I read somewhere that the latest version of VLC supports
> >>WM9, but it will be sometime before its available through synaptic. If
> >>someone gets this working please let us know.
> >
> > It will work in next release of VLC.
>
> Do you know if it will work on AMD64?

No. 32bit codecs will work on AMD64[1] unless you install the 32bit player.  
ie,
64bit mplayer/vlc/xine + 32bit codecs = no dice.
32bit mplayer/vlc/xine + 32bit codecs = Happy, happy, joy, joy.

Same goes for browser plug-ins.  I have a 32bit compiled Firefox floating 
around for a few sites that need certain plug-ins that wont run in my other 
64bit browsers (like streaming video, flash etc)

[1] When I say "AMD64" I'm not referring to the hardware, but rather the 
64bit kernel and associated libraries and applications.  You can always 
install the 32bit (i386) version of [K]Ubuntu and there's no problems - you 
have a 32bit OS running on 64bit hardware (this is how Windows does it - 
WinXP is *NOT* a 64bit OS)....but if you're going to do that, why did you 
fork out the extra $$$ for 64bit hardware in the first place?

HTH,

James
-- 
Debit card <--> Bad Credit
                -- anagrama, por Mike Morton
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From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sun Dec 11 23:49:33 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:49:33 +1000
Subject: [Fwd: strange sudo]
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Typo. Should be sudo cat > temp.txt

Alfred,

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From olafra at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 23:35:33 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:35:33 +0000
Subject: strange sudo
In-Reply-To: <439CB404.5020300@upng.ac.pg>
References: <d9b8deb40512111307u2bb9a293y70f02895c75bbf7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<haykel.1zwdcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org> <439CB404.5020300@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <e50811220512111535l136179dah@mail.gmail.com>

This is a problem with how the shell works, it is translated into:
execute cat with sudo then the out put of that execution is streamed to
file but it is written as the user.

You can use sudo sh -c "the comannd>thefile"

Olafur Arason
2005/12/11, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg>:
> Hi,
> I wanted a scratch file in /usr/local so I issued cat > temp.txt.
> Access was denied. So I had to open a root terminal to create the file.
> sudo normally works for me.
>
> What gives?
>
> Alfred,
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Dec 11 23:33:42 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:33:42 -0500
Subject: Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local in ubuntu?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111811400.3064@localhost.localdomain>

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Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local in ubuntu?

On my FC2 system /etc/rc.d/rc.local says:

#!/bin/sh
#
# This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts.
# You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't
# want to do the full Sys V style init stuff.

There are sometimes some local issues that an old dos user like me first
looks at an old note of equivalents for autoexec.bat...
My note points to rc.local as the least dangerous place for a less than
expert like me to mess with the init scripts... I mean I doubt that it
would be a good idea for me to just add symlinks to /root/bin/ scripts
in /etc/rcS.d??? 

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 11 23:29:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:29:48 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


when I run that I don't have anything on the screen. It is just blank.


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 00:17:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:17:56 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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zenlakin Wrote: 
> when I run that I don't have anything on the screen. It is just blank.
cd /etc/X11
sudo wget http://home.comcast.net/~dcrumpt/xorg.conf

I made the edits and placed the file on my home dir.  Try the above two
commands out and let me know how it goes.


-- 
azcrumpty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 00:18:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:18:31 -0500
Subject: Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local in ubuntu?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111811400.3064@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <kairu0.1zwhza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I think it may be like Ubuntu's /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh.


-- 
kairu0



From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Mon Dec 12 00:36:43 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:36:43 +1000
Subject: strange sudo
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512111535l136179dah@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b8deb40512111307u2bb9a293y70f02895c75bbf7b@mail.gmail.com>	<haykel.1zwdcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<439CB404.5020300@upng.ac.pg>
	<e50811220512111535l136179dah@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439CC61B.8040505@upng.ac.pg>

Thanks. It works. Additional typing but not comprising security.

Alfred

Olafur Arason wrote:

>This is a problem with how the shell works, it is translated into:
>execute cat with sudo then the out put of that execution is streamed to
>file but it is written as the user.
>
>You can use sudo sh -c "the comannd>thefile"
>
>Olafur Arason
>2005/12/11, Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg>:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>I wanted a scratch file in /usr/local so I issued cat > temp.txt.
>>Access was denied. So I had to open a root terminal to create the file.
>>sudo normally works for me.
>>
>>What gives?
>>
>>Alfred,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>ubuntu-users mailing list
>>ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 12 00:28:38 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:28:38 -0800
Subject: Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local in ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111811400.3064@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111811400.3064@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134347318.12493.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 18:33 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local in ubuntu?
> 
> On my FC2 system /etc/rc.d/rc.local says:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts.
> # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't
> # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff.
> 
> There are sometimes some local issues that an old dos user like me first
> looks at an old note of equivalents for autoexec.bat...
> My note points to rc.local as the least dangerous place for a less than
> expert like me to mess with the init scripts... I mean I doubt that it
> would be a good idea for me to just add symlinks to /root/bin/ scripts
> in /etc/rcS.d??? 

Here is the Read.me


The scripts in this directory are executed once when booting the system,
even when booting directly into single user mode. The files are all
symbolic
links, the real files are located in /etc/init.d/ . For a more general
discussion of this technique, see /etc/init.d/README.

The following sequence points are defined at this time:

* After the S40 scripts have executed, all local file systems are
mounted
  and networking is available. All device drivers have been initialized.

* After the S60 scripts have executed, the system clock has been set,
NFS
  filesystems have been mounted (unless the system depends on the
automounter,
  which is started later) and the filesystems have been cleaned.




That is where I put stuff....

HTH

YMMV


Vram





From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 12 00:29:28 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:29:28 -0800
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <1134347368.12493.79.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 21:17 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> * Joe(theWordy)Philbrook (jtwdyp at ttlc.net) wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
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> > It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:
> > 
> > > you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.
> > 
> > Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
> > have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
> > have the time to spend doing so...
> > 
> > Thankfully someone else's reply said how to reset the root password...
> > 
> > But thanks for the quick reply that pointed out a possible (and I guess
> > ubuntu usual solution...
> > 
> 
> 
> You can also create the root account when you install ubuntu.

I don't remember seeing that option..

Vram


> 
> --
> Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
> Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil
> 




From ubuntu at cafuego.net  Mon Dec 12 00:33:16 2005
From: ubuntu at cafuego.net (Peter Lieverdink)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:33:16 +1100
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134347368.12493.79.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>	<20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>
	<1134347368.12493.79.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439CC54C.9050409@cafuego.net>

Vram wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 21:17 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> 
>>* Joe(theWordy)Philbrook (jtwdyp at ttlc.net) wrote:
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>It would appear that on Dec 11, Steve Vandegaer did say:
>>>
>>>
>>>>you can use sudo before a command instead of using the root user.
>>>
>>>Uggg! Don't want to use sudo. If I spend the time learning it, I won't
>>>have time to finish configureing ubuntu before my VA is over and I don't
>>>have the time to spend doing so..

What's there to learn? Type the command you want, put 'sudo' in front of
it, type YOUR password when asked.

- P.




From peter at stoddard.us  Mon Dec 12 00:38:46 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:38:46 -0800
Subject: Can't sleep on a G4 Powerbook
Message-ID: <1134347927.6802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am having a problem putting my Mac 12" Powerbook to sleep with Breezy
like it did with Mac OSX.  To me, sleep means I the hard disk and the
display are no longer active.  I have read a few posts about this, and
am trying to understand it, but am not having much success.  I don't
know where to begin, so here is some stuff I have done, and discovered.
Any comments would be welcomed.

I have installed hibernate 1.07-1, sleepd 1.2.13 and apmd
3.2.2-3ubuntu2.

Sleepd was started in /etc/init.d without options.  So
in /etc/default/sleepd I modified a line based on the man page for
sleepd.  Here is the modified contents of the file /etc/default/sleepd:

########start code#########

# Parameters to pass to sleepd.
# PARAMS=""
# Modified by PJS 11 Dec 2005
PARAMS="10m"

########end code##########

Sleep (or what I call sleep) still isn't working.

I came across the following statement associated with the apm package in
Synaptic Package Manager:

"Debian kernels are built with APM support but it is disabled by
default.  You need to boot the kernel with the "apm=on" option if you
want to enable the driver. (You may need to add this option to your
lilo command line.)"  

Does the above statement mean that I have to add something
to /etc/yaboot.conf?  I have
read /usr/share/doc/yaboot/yaboot-howto.html/index.en.html but it
doesn't cover this in any of the examples.

Opening and closing the cover is recognized by the OS.  From syslog:

Dec 11 10:53:09 localhost pbbuttonsd: INFO: Script
'/etc/power/pmcs-pbbuttonsd cover-close ac close' launched and exited
normally

Dec 11 10:53:18 localhost pbbuttonsd: INFO: Script
'/etc/power/pmcs-pbbuttonsd cover-open ac open' launched and exited
normally

After I added the apmd package, syslog entries went from:

#################start log entry###################

Dec 11 10:46:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: system is inactive; forcing
sleep
Dec 11 10:46:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: apm -s failed

#################end log entry#######################

... to this:

###############start log entry###################

Dec 11 10:56:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: system is inactive; forcing
sleep

#################end log entry#######################

So I got rid of the message about apm failing, but when this log entry
is made, the system still doesn't sleep, i.e. the hard disk and the
display are still active.

I hope I am using the right terminology with sleep.  I think hibernate
is the equivalent of System --> "[Log out] [shut down] save current
setup".  I don't know what suspend means.  Is that the same as sleep?

Thanks for any help.

Pete




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 12 00:43:08 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:43:08 -0800
Subject: How do you get pppoe to come up with system start up?
In-Reply-To: <1134341811.8106.9.camel@localhost>
References: <1134339032.7917.17.camel@localhost>
	<1134339195.8430.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134341811.8106.9.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1134348187.4281.86.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 14:56, Rick Berger wrote:
> I just tried sudo pppoeconf, again in a terminal, and it still doesn't
> establish a connection when I boot.

pppoeconf appends something like the following to your
/etc/network/interfaces.  If yours is broken you may have
to fix it up to look a bit more like this example.  Your
system may be using a different name than dsl-provider.

>auto dsl-provider
>iface dsl-provider inet ppp
>provider dsl-provider
>
># added by pppoeconf
>auto eth1
>    iface eth1 inet manual
>
>    pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up # line maintained by pppoeconf

--Mike Bird




From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Mon Dec 12 00:45:53 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:45:53 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <1134342056.5273.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512110124g45ec0198p573d4b9b08fd2c4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211162916.4ec0d456.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<426905810512111338o3e1c0f99ia0feba8d80c93cc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211170741.ba886280.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<1134342056.5273.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051211194553.60953e61.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:00:56 +1300
Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 17:07 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > 
> 
> >    Yes that's it - Cisco. I know they have (or had?) a Linux client but
> > gave it a shot a few month ago when I ran Hoary and couldn't get it
> > going. The network at work is really Windows centric. (and huge).
> 
> The cisco client for linux is hard to get working in that you must
> compile a kernel module for your running kernel.
> 
> If the Cisco endpoint is a VPN concentrator, you may be able to use
> vpnc, which is in universe:
>    vpnc - Cisco-compatible VPN client
> 
> You need to supply a configuration file (see /etc/vpnc/example.conf),
> and the following minimum data:
> * IPSec gateway 
> * IPSec ID 
> * IPSec secret 
> * Xauth username 
> 
> IPSec gateway is the IP address of the VPN concentrator
> IPSec ID is the group name
> IPSec secret is the (unencrypted!!) group password
> Xauth username is your userid for the VPN
> 
> 
> 
> There have been a number of discussions about this on the list, so you
> may find more by searching the list archives from the last 3 months.
   

  OK got it installed - I'll have to have a look at the archives as the
manual is pretty thin on info.

Thanks to everyone - we'll see what happens.

Cheers





From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 12 00:47:09 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:47:09 -0800
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134347368.12493.79.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>
	<1134347368.12493.79.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134348429.4281.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:29, Vram wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 21:17 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > You can also create the root account when you install ubuntu.
> 
> I don't remember seeing that option..

You have to run in expert mode to create a standard Linux install.
We particularly recommend expert mode to non-expert sysadmins.

Running in naive mode creates an Ubuntuized installation which no
naive sysadmin can figure out without reading the docs for a week.

--Mike Bird

Don't ask me.  I only work here.




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:05:02 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:05:02 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050620090235.GB2741@localhost.localdomain>
	<1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu>
	<20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512111705h12f6018ch64e69326c1c7c222@mail.gmail.com>

On paper this thing looks stunning. However...

"10 hours of continuous playback with rechargeable Lithium Ion battery"

Plus, by MP3 player standards it's downright huge: 5.3" x 3.1" x 1.3"
(3 cm thick!!!). And, it's got a black-and-white (ok, 4 greys) LCD.

Them's pretty massive short comings on such an expensive player!

Just a few things to think about.

Eric.

On 12/11/05, Stephen R Laniel <steve at laniels.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:03:07PM -0400, Michael Head wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it looks like it's been discontinued. Their only product
> > anymore is an mpeg4 set top box.
>
> That's not true. See, e.g., their front page, which includes
> a link to this 80-gig player:
> http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&product%5Fid=4020201&keyword=4020201&searchcat=products&cookie%5Ftest=1
>
> I've been looking into buying it,



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:14:16 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:14:16 -0500
Subject: connecting with a corporate server thru VPN
In-Reply-To: <20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051210160017.90147d98.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
	<20051210193922.51250d99.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512111714l78db4c1anbe7dd2cd015b642d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Frank McCormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> > My employer has provided VPN facilities for many people but its all
> > Windows based. They have no software for Linux.
>

For the Cisco software, you can use their software if you want.  One ot fhe
benefits is that you can use the same configuration files they give you with
the Windows software.

If you are using the tg3 network driver, it doesn't like the Cisco vpn
software, so using vpnc as you are doing is probably the easiest.  The other
option is to drop the tg3 and use another driver, such as a Broadcom one.

--
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 12 01:19:17 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:19:17 -0800
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134348429.4281.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<426905810512111053j69694b2dpee0e086d574fd2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111430360.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051211231705.GA7971@ubuntu>
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	<1134348429.4281.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1134350357.12493.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:47 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:29, Vram wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 21:17 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > > You can also create the root account when you install ubuntu.
> > 
> > I don't remember seeing that option..
> 
> You have to run in expert mode to create a standard Linux install.
> We particularly recommend expert mode to non-expert sysadmins.
> 
> Running in naive mode creates an Ubuntuized installation which no
> naive sysadmin can figure out without reading the docs for a week.
> 

It is clear now..

Thanks

Vram



> --Mike Bird
> 
> Don't ask me.  I only work here.
> 
> 




From olafra at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:27:37 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:27:37 +0000
Subject: Can't sleep on a G4 Powerbook
In-Reply-To: <1134347927.6802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134347927.6802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e50811220512111727g3dc41145r@mail.gmail.com>

You should maby consider getting the 2.6.15 kernel from dapper,
I hadn't gotten sleep working until that, I have a iBook G3.

If you want to add some addition arguments under yaboot look
for append, but apm should be enabled by default on powerpc.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/12, Peter Stoddard <peter at stoddard.us>:
> I am having a problem putting my Mac 12" Powerbook to sleep with Breezy
> like it did with Mac OSX.  To me, sleep means I the hard disk and the
> display are no longer active.  I have read a few posts about this, and
> am trying to understand it, but am not having much success.  I don't
> know where to begin, so here is some stuff I have done, and discovered.
> Any comments would be welcomed.
>
> I have installed hibernate 1.07-1, sleepd 1.2.13 and apmd
> 3.2.2-3ubuntu2.
>
> Sleepd was started in /etc/init.d without options.  So
> in /etc/default/sleepd I modified a line based on the man page for
> sleepd.  Here is the modified contents of the file /etc/default/sleepd:
>
> ########start code#########
>
> # Parameters to pass to sleepd.
> # PARAMS=""
> # Modified by PJS 11 Dec 2005
> PARAMS="10m"
>
> ########end code##########
>
> Sleep (or what I call sleep) still isn't working.
>
> I came across the following statement associated with the apm package in
> Synaptic Package Manager:
>
> "Debian kernels are built with APM support but it is disabled by
> default.  You need to boot the kernel with the "apm=on" option if you
> want to enable the driver. (You may need to add this option to your
> lilo command line.)"
>
> Does the above statement mean that I have to add something
> to /etc/yaboot.conf?  I have
> read /usr/share/doc/yaboot/yaboot-howto.html/index.en.html but it
> doesn't cover this in any of the examples.
>
> Opening and closing the cover is recognized by the OS.  From syslog:
>
> Dec 11 10:53:09 localhost pbbuttonsd: INFO: Script
> '/etc/power/pmcs-pbbuttonsd cover-close ac close' launched and exited
> normally
>
> Dec 11 10:53:18 localhost pbbuttonsd: INFO: Script
> '/etc/power/pmcs-pbbuttonsd cover-open ac open' launched and exited
> normally
>
> After I added the apmd package, syslog entries went from:
>
> #################start log entry###################
>
> Dec 11 10:46:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: system is inactive; forcing
> sleep
> Dec 11 10:46:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: apm -s failed
>
> #################end log entry#######################
>
> ... to this:
>
> ###############start log entry###################
>
> Dec 11 10:56:05 localhost sleepd[4540]: system is inactive; forcing
> sleep
>
> #################end log entry#######################
>
> So I got rid of the message about apm failing, but when this log entry
> is made, the system still doesn't sleep, i.e. the hard disk and the
> display are still active.
>
> I hope I am using the right terminology with sleep.  I think hibernate
> is the equivalent of System --> "[Log out] [shut down] save current
> setup".  I don't know what suspend means.  Is that the same as sleep?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Pete
>
>
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From senectus at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:32:25 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:32:25 +0800
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default on
an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in general
but it really suffers in some area's.
particularly when I'm trying to view a screen res that's larger than
mine I end up with scroll bars that I can only adjust _once_ after
that they stay locked in that position until I log out and log in
again.

What I'd really like is the ability to "scale" the image down 80% or
so like you can in the windows version Ultr at VNC...
Or at the very least to be able to move the scroll bars more than just once:-P
Any idea's?


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From olafra at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:50:53 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:50:53 +0000
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com>

Use the right mouse key to scroll up, it's not very intuative but
at least it works.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/12, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com>:
> I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default on
> an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in general
> but it really suffers in some area's.
> particularly when I'm trying to view a screen res that's larger than
> mine I end up with scroll bars that I can only adjust _once_ after
> that they stay locked in that position until I log out and log in
> again.
>
> What I'd really like is the ability to "scale" the image down 80% or
> so like you can in the windows version Ultr at VNC...
> Or at the very least to be able to move the scroll bars more than just once:-P
> Any idea's?
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From alyunes at optonline.net  Mon Dec 12 01:51:04 2005
From: alyunes at optonline.net (Alfredo Yunes)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:51:04 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512111705h12f6018ch64e69326c1c7c222@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c5febe$836b8430$090ba8c0@fredoho>

Most if not all the players from Iriver play ogg files.  www.iriver.com


fredo 

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Eric Dunbar
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:05 PM
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: Re: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?

On paper this thing looks stunning. However...

"10 hours of continuous playback with rechargeable Lithium Ion battery"

Plus, by MP3 player standards it's downright huge: 5.3" x 3.1" x 1.3"
(3 cm thick!!!). And, it's got a black-and-white (ok, 4 greys) LCD.

Them's pretty massive short comings on such an expensive player!

Just a few things to think about.

Eric.

On 12/11/05, Stephen R Laniel <steve at laniels.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:03:07PM -0400, Michael Head wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it looks like it's been discontinued. Their only 
> > product anymore is an mpeg4 set top box.
>
> That's not true. See, e.g., their front page, which includes a link to 
> this 80-gig player:
> http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInn
> ovationsCatalog&product%5Fid=4020201&keyword=4020201&searchcat=product
> s&cookie%5Ftest=1
>
> I've been looking into buying it,

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From rpowersau at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:56:37 2005
From: rpowersau at gmail.com (rpowersau at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:56:37 +0800
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
In-Reply-To: <439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
References: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <476484250512111756i38687edcjbec64e556711adba@mail.gmail.com>

Giorgos wrote:
> | I've had this problem for a while, if I click "Empty Trash" only the
> | files deleted recently will be emptied. There are ~90 files that don't
> | get deleted. If I open Trash and delete them manually it works (so
> | obviously I do have the permissions.
> |
> | Should I just delete them manually and file a bug?
>
> Are they files that you deleted as root? Is do you won't have permission
to delete them as a user. You'll have to sudo to delete them.


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From olafra at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:57:36 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:57:36 +0000
Subject: Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) and Mac mini
	after kernel loads
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512081742i4cff9a61v8542a5d81db38f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081742i4cff9a61v8542a5d81db38f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512111757r1777ca2ft@mail.gmail.com>

Try doing ctrl-alt-F1 and then log in and change the Xorg setting by
doing:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then choose vesa then at
least you see something.

Olafur Arason
P.S you can file a bug with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at
http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
2005/12/9, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com>:
> Hi all, I've got a bit of a funny problem (and thought I'd rename the thread).
>
> I installed Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) onto my Mac mini (512 MB RAM, 40 GB
> HD (5.2 GB Ubuntu, 35 GB Mac OS X), 1.25 GHz G4, _no_ additional
> hardware).
>
> The install process went fine. When the computer reboots I get the
> normal two yaboot-related menus. Up to this point, no problems. When
> Ubuntu continues booting past this point I get some text (which I'll
> paste below) and then the screen goes to sleep (i.e. no signal coming
> from the video card) and STAYS asleep.
>
> Ubuntu apparently boots normally, because I can cause it to shutdown
> (halt) or reboot by typing "blindly" (ctrl-alt-F1 followed by
> username, password... wait a second then enter 'sudo halt' followed by
> the password for sudo at which point the computer beeps angrily and
> promptly restarts/shuts down).
>
> How can I get video working? Do I need to reinstall or can I modify
> yaboot using the live CD?
>
> Anyone run into this problem on the Mac mini?
>
> Thanks, Eric.
>
> FYI Here's what's displayed on my screen before it goes "down for the count":
>
> I'm running yaboot 1.313
>
> device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0
>
> partition=3
>
> After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
> screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):
>
> Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc
>
> linked at:          0xc0000000
> frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
> klimit:               0xc0320b20
> MSR:                0x00003030
> HID0:                0x8418c0bc
>
> pmac_init(): exit
> id_mach(): done
> MMU:enter
> MMU:hw init
> hash:enter
> hash:find piece
> hash:patch
> hash:done
> MMU:mapin
> MMU:setio
> MMU:exit
> setup_arch: enter
> setup_arch: bootmem
> arch: exit
> openpic: enter
> openpic: timer
> openpic: external
> openpic: spurious
> openpic: exit
>
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From patiodragon at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 01:58:47 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:58:47 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050620090235.GB2741@localhost.localdomain>
	<1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu>
	<20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512111758g47fec4foe3e166e93a45b278@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Stephen R Laniel <steve at laniels.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:03:07PM -0400, Michael Head wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it looks like it's been discontinued. Their only product
> > anymore is an mpeg4 set top box.
>
> That's not true. See, e.g., their front page, which includes
> a link to this 80-gig player:
> http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&product%5Fid=4020201&keyword=4020201&searchcat=products&cookie%5Ftest=1
>
> I've been looking into buying it,
>
> a) because my whole music collection is in Ogg, not MP3, and
>    I don't want to convert 11,000 Oggs to MP3;
>
I've been looking at some of these.  One claims to have a 50hr battery
life!  They are the only ones I found that specifically say they are
supported under linux ("data only" blah blah...)

http://onlinestore.jetaudio.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=58

I also think the iRiver models support ogg format.

cheers,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 01:58:55 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:58:55 -0500
Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112011170.2609@localhost.localdomain>

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id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????

So how do I get rid of the gui login screen?

I don't like any gui to come up until and unless I type startx at a user
prompt...

So I modified /etc/inittab as follows

# The default runlevel.
#id:2:initdefault:
id:3:initdefault:

But I still get that annoying gui login screen...
Ya, I can manually bypass it with ctrl+alt+F[2-6]
but that isn't the same thing... besides if I log in on a virtual
console and attempt a startx it complains that the server is already
running... 

And because the initial splash screen hiding the text boot sequence
messages bugged me.  I also modified my /boot/grub/menu.lst kernel line
as follows:

kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda4 ro vga=normal

And I modified /etc/inittab as follows

#1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 --noclear

But that initial gui login still walks all over it. <sigh>

The worst thing about them adding new gui tools is when they disable the
pre-existing non-gui tools and ONLY allow gui methods to work... That's
the original reason I learned to hate microshaft in the first place.


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From james at grayonline.id.au  Mon Dec 12 02:09:22 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:09:22 +1100
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512121309.25279.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:32, Senectus . wrote:
> I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default on
> an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in general
> but it really suffers in some area's.

Just FYI, "Terminal Server" is generally understood to mean RDP (Remote 
Desktop Protocol) ie, Microsoft Terminal Services.  VNC is something 
totally different.  Both provide a desktop for interaction with the OS, but 
both use fundamentally different (and incompatible) protocols.

Cheers,

James
-- 
I thought there was something fishy about the butler.  Probably a Pisces,
working for scale.
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From senectus at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 02:09:34 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:09:34 +0800
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512111809j103a3975hc9ef90cf8b65a597@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Use the right mouse key to scroll up, it's not very intuative but
> at least it works.
sweet, thanks :-)
Would still like to "scale" the viewer though :-P


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From james at grayonline.id.au  Mon Dec 12 02:13:36 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:13:36 +1100
Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112011170.2609@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112011170.2609@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512121313.37185.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:58, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????
>
> So how do I get rid of the gui login screen?
>
> I don't like any gui to come up until and unless I type startx at a user
> prompt...

If you use kdm:
sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove

Replace "kdm" with either "gdm" or "xdm" if you use a different login 
manager.

HTH,

James
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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 02:15:50 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:15:50 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
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It would appear that on Dec 11, Mike Bird did say:

> On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:29, Vram wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 21:17 -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > > You can also create the root account when you install ubuntu.
> > 
> > I don't remember seeing that option..
> 
> You have to run in expert mode to create a standard Linux install.
> We particularly recommend expert mode to non-expert sysadmins.
> 
> Running in naive mode creates an Ubuntuized installation which no
> naive sysadmin can figure out without reading the docs for a week.

Gosh don't I wish I'd read this before I did this install... At this
point would it really be worth trashing the current default "naive" mode
install in favor of doing a non-expert mode install in expert mode???

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From senectus at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 02:22:55 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:22:55 +0800
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <200512121309.25279.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512121309.25279.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512111822q32eee180g4d18b94e46ed150e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:32, Senectus . wrote:
> > I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default on
> > an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in general
> > but it really suffers in some area's.
>
> Just FYI, "Terminal Server" is generally understood to mean RDP (Remote
> Desktop Protocol) ie, Microsoft Terminal Services.  VNC is something
> totally different.  Both provide a desktop for interaction with the OS, but
> both use fundamentally different (and incompatible) protocols.

yeah I'm well aware of the difference.. but the software that does
both RDP and VNC is called "Terminal Server Viewer"
Not just a made up expression from me ;-)


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Mon Dec 12 02:25:06 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:25:06 -0500
Subject: Can't sleep on a G4 Powerbook
In-Reply-To: <1134347927.6802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134347927.6802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439CDF82.7020502@csee.wvu.edu>

Peter Stoddard wrote:

>I am having a problem putting my Mac 12" Powerbook to sleep with Breezy
>like it did with Mac OSX.  To me, sleep means I the hard disk and the
>display are no longer active.  I have read a few posts about this, and
>am trying to understand it, but am not having much success.  I don't
>know where to begin, so here is some stuff I have done, and discovered.
>Any comments would be welcomed.
>
>  
>
Apple systems don't have apm or acpi like x86 machines.  The apple
powerpc systems have a pmu.  This is generally best controled by
pbbuttonsd.  It knows how to manipulate your nice apple hardware and get
it to do all kinds of cool things.  You may also want to install
gtkpbbuttons. 

Now, having said that, pbbuttonsd and gtkpbbuttons were probably both
installed on your system by ubuntu-desktop and the installer.  These may
have been uninstalled when you were installing sleepd or other stuff, so
you might have to reinstall it.  But, even with pbbuttonsd installed and
running you may not be able to sleep.  Last I checked, PowerBooks with
nvidia graphics cards could not sleep.  I'm not entirely sure if this is
true or not, but you may want to check it out.  Also, you may want to
ensure that your /etc/yaboot.conf does not enable ofvideo.  You can
check for that in /proc/cmdline.  If that contains video=ofonly then you
have no chance of sleeping.  Remove that line from your yaboot.conf and
rerun ybin.  Then reboot.  If that doesn't get your lappy to sleep, then
your probably out of luck.  Not sure though, I haven't checked this out
in a while(a year?). 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 02:25:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:25:27 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <jimbren.1zwogm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Joe--



Root is disabled by default.   in order to perform root type functions,
you can use -sudo- and the password you entered during your
installation.



you can enable the root account if you really want to, but with a
little getting used to, it is pretty easy to work with.


-- 
jimbren



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 12 02:53:38 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:53:38 +1100
Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????,
	(Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Message-ID: <439CE632.9020008@optusnet.com.au>

All the ubuntu runlevels are configured so they proceed smoothly to 
runlevel 5. To alter this behaviour first alter inittab to have it boot 
to the runlevel you wish, and thentype in the terminal:

mkdir /home/[username]/backup
sudo mv /etc/rc[runlevel].d/*dm /home/[username]/backup

This will prevent it from loading X. To have it load X just type startx 
in the terminal. To have it load X automatically on boot just move those 
files back to their original location.



From shchoi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 02:56:24 2005
From: shchoi at gmail.com (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:56:24 +0000
Subject: ssh banner
Message-ID: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to display a customised (and animated) banner using
"figlet" when a user logs into a machine using ssh. (I am not talking
about to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config for this banner.)

any help on this?



From shchoi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 02:58:39 2005
From: shchoi at gmail.com (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:58:39 +0000
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111822q32eee180g4d18b94e46ed150e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512121309.25279.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<d12e5c90512111822q32eee180g4d18b94e46ed150e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b425c50512111858n435af767y555a05b7a71757f0@mail.gmail.com>

Why don't you try FreeNX?

:-)

On 12/12/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:32, Senectus . wrote:
> > > I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default on
> > > an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in general
> > > but it really suffers in some area's.
> >
> > Just FYI, "Terminal Server" is generally understood to mean RDP (Remote
> > Desktop Protocol) ie, Microsoft Terminal Services.  VNC is something
> > totally different.  Both provide a desktop for interaction with the OS, but
> > both use fundamentally different (and incompatible) protocols.
>
> yeah I'm well aware of the difference.. but the software that does
> both RDP and VNC is called "Terminal Server Viewer"
> Not just a made up expression from me ;-)
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 02:50:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:50:40 -0500
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com><e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512111809j103a3975hc9ef90cf8b65a597@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tabinin.1zwpdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I think the scaling or size happens on the VNC server side.  I run
Kubuntu on my  1280x1024 desktop, and start x11vnc like this via ssh:




Code:
--------------------
    x11vnc -scale .65
--------------------




when I fire up TightVNC Viewer on my wife's notebook (at 1024x768), I
can see the whole Ubuntu desktop without scrolling.  It's a little
small and fuzzy, but better than the alternative.  



Also, I know you can make the regular vnc server start with a different
resolution, if you have access to it.


-- 
tabinin



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 03:04:33 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:04:33 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134330323.8727.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134330323.8727.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112121130.2757@localhost.localdomain>

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It would appear that on Dec 11, Oliver Grawert did say:

> hi,
> 
> Am Sonntag, den 11.12.2005, 13:18 -0500 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook:
> 
> > About the root password...
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
> 
> ciao
>         oli


Thanks oli for the link , from which I glean this little gem:

=> All the graphical configuration utilities use sudo by default. Thus when 
=> Synaptic or something similar asks you for a password, it is asking for 
=> your user password, not the root password.

When this says "by default" does this mean these gui utilities would 
all become broken if I did a 
# apt-get remove sudo
or would they fall back on asking for the root password to do root 
things???

However I have a closed system...

And while I haven't read all the ubuntu specific arguments for sudo and
against all my near instinctive administration habits, I have previously
been exposed to those who think root user shouldn't exist. I was not
convinced that it provided any real security advantage on a closed system
where any user has physical access to the cpu/hard drive case...

Those habits include, by the way, that when using kde, if I want a
root term for a few minutes I call a script at the alt+F2 run prompt
that contains one of the following depending on distro or kde version:

#! /bin/bash
kdesu "konsole --ls"

#! /bin/bash
kdesu konsole

#! /bin/bash
konsole -type su

#! /bin/bash
kdesu konsole-noxft

All of which set the background of konsole to roots color configuration
which I don't use any where else. Which visual reminder helps me to be
careful what I do with THAT shell, and to close it when I'm done. 

But it's hard to set root konsole colors if you don't fire up the
konsole as root user (as in user ID not just privaliges...)


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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 03:19:19 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:19:19 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>

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It would appear that on Dec 11, Sam Tygier did say:

> have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
> 
> i can see why you'd be supprised, but its good stuff.

Perhaps, but I don't agree with it. Or is it that it doesn't agree with
me. In any case, as much as I'd like to like ubuntu, if it insists on
shoving sudo up my kudzu, I'll wind up dumping it.


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|   <0>   <0>	     Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|	^		  J(tWdy)P
|      ___	       <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>
|     '   `




From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Mon Dec 12 03:45:10 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:45:10 +1300
Subject: ssh banner
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134359111.5273.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 02:56 +0000, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to display a customised (and animated) banner using
> "figlet" when a user logs into a machine using ssh. (I am not talking
> about to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config for this banner.)

You will have to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config, one time only, to enable
the "banner" option.  If you change "#Banner /etc/issue.net" to
"Banner /etc/issue.ssh", then restart sshd, you can then create and
maintain the banner file using figlet or any other tools.  If the file
is created so that you can write it as yourself, then you won't need to
use sudo;)

NOTE:  It is possible that the system updates /etc/issue.net at times,
which is why I suggest that you specify your own custom file.

> 
> any help on this?
> 

Hope this helps,

Tim




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 12 03:47:44 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:47:44 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu SETI@home Team
In-Reply-To: <veehell.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D0F4E8E@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local>
	<a2ce2a0e0512060652r4b34bf12xd5e55aea9ed6ff06@mail.gmail.com>
	<markr.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<veehell.1zmmfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <439CF2E0.8000902@cfl.rr.com>

I'd love to help out, but it seems that the setiathome packages are not 
availible on amd64.  Anyone know why?

'Forum Post wrote:
> On 'Boinc download page' (http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php)
> are several clients/managers/scripts/tools ;) So You can use the
> official one. I did it via their package and all is perfect, seti is
> running (without the graphics and einstein have graphics by default
> (mean the result graphisc-screensaver) Their manager seem to be fine,
> client could be used any already runned.
> 
> In synaptic there is also boinc-client and setiathome, xsetiathome and
> some other packages (but not official, check sarge repository for
> debian :)
> 
> 




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 03:53:22 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:53:22 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512111205x5d507a21yd071dd403b4d2b63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512111205x5d507a21yd071dd403b4d2b63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112228330.2757@localhost.localdomain>

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It would appear that on Dec 12, (?????) Revant Nandgaonkar did say:

> 
> If you are installing ubuntu first time, follow the starter guide. It's best
> source of information for beginning your ubuntu journey.
> read the starter guide here >
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
> 
> revant
> 

Thanks for the link Revant, But I went there and quickly found that I'd
have to wade through so many things I'm not looking for to find the ones
I need to know that by the time I find them I wouldn't recognize them...
If it was a printed book without all those dang html links that change
where in the book you are, I might try to read it...

But for example, when I see a link under section 2.7 that's titled:

=> "How to manually update Ubuntu using Apt-get?" 
=> ________^^^^^^^^_____________________^^^^^^^
=> 	
=> 
=>    1.  Read How do I add Universe and Multiverse?
=> . . . . . . ____________________________________
=> 
=>    2.  sudo apt-get update
=>        sudo apt-get upgrade

I find it very confusing to wind up reading how to use the freaking gui
synaptic tool to add Universe and Multiverse instead of telling me how
to edit the apt-get sources file to include them. I mean if I found the gui
tool easier than the command line version I wouldn't want to know how to
do it with apt-get...

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From steven at heimann.com.au  Mon Dec 12 04:02:55 2005
From: steven at heimann.com.au (Steven Heimann)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:02:55 +1100
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
Message-ID: <1134360175.8499.50.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>

I have upgraded to 5.10 which seems to default to hplip for hp printers
and scanners.

I have a network attached Officejet 7210.

I can't seem to fathom how to get hplip to work with a network attached
printer/scanner so have reverted to hpoj.  However, hpoj seems now to be
very unreliable for scanning with many time outs / failure to connects
etc.

Does hplip work with a network attached device and has anyone found any
instructions on how to get it working?

Regards
Steven






From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 04:05:32 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:05:32 -0500
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>

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It would appear that on Dec 11, albi did say:

> 
> there's one easy solution, install kubuntu instead
> 
> http://www.kubuntu.org/
> 
> 
 
hunh... OK if KDE-ubuntu = kubuntu, why doesn't GNOME-ubuntu = gubuntu???

That just might be a good reason to reinstall with the kubuntu version.
I sure wish I'd noticed that little detail first...

Hmmmnnn If I was using kubuntu would ubuntu-users still be the
appropriate mailing list?

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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 12 04:12:11 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:12:11 -0800
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134360731.4281.101.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 19:19, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> Perhaps, but I don't agree with it. Or is it that it doesn't agree with
> me. In any case, as much as I'd like to like ubuntu, if it insists on
> shoving sudo up my kudzu, I'll wind up dumping it.

It's bloody annoying for sysadmins switching from other distros but once
one has been enlightened its easy enough to set a root password and use
Ubuntu like regular distros.

BTW, in response to an earlier point you made, I use konsole where one
can readily configure different colored backgrounds for root sessions,
and even define new session types which automatically start by ssh-ing
to a different system.  When my KDE desktop comes up it has terminal
windows running shells on the three key systems from which I sysadmin
the rest.

--Mike Bird




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 04:43:35 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:43:35 -0500
Subject: Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) and Mac mini
	after kernel loads
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512111757r1777ca2ft@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512081742i4cff9a61v8542a5d81db38f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512111757r1777ca2ft@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512112043v67bc6f71u8349844bd24b6f6e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your kind reply. I don't have the energy or time to try
this until tomorrow, but, silly question (b/c I can't see it when I'll
do it ;-):

How do I choose vesa? Or is it the very first entry?

Another thing I'll try after Tuesday (very busy until then ;-) is to
work with the Live CD and see if I can do something -- would it be
possible to reconfigure the xserver-xorg on the HD using the Live CD?

Thanks, Eric.

On 12/11/05, Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Try doing ctrl-alt-F1 and then log in and change the Xorg setting by
> doing:
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then choose vesa then at
> least you see something.
>
> Olafur Arason
> P.S you can file a bug with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at
> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
> 2005/12/9, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com>:
> > Hi all, I've got a bit of a funny problem (and thought I'd rename the thread).
> >
> > I installed Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) onto my Mac mini (512 MB RAM, 40 GB
> > HD (5.2 GB Ubuntu, 35 GB Mac OS X), 1.25 GHz G4, _no_ additional
> > hardware).
> >
> > The install process went fine. When the computer reboots I get the
> > normal two yaboot-related menus. Up to this point, no problems. When
> > Ubuntu continues booting past this point I get some text (which I'll
> > paste below) and then the screen goes to sleep (i.e. no signal coming
> > from the video card) and STAYS asleep.
> >
> > Ubuntu apparently boots normally, because I can cause it to shutdown
> > (halt) or reboot by typing "blindly" (ctrl-alt-F1 followed by
> > username, password... wait a second then enter 'sudo halt' followed by
> > the password for sudo at which point the computer beeps angrily and
> > promptly restarts/shuts down).
> >
> > How can I get video working? Do I need to reinstall or can I modify
> > yaboot using the live CD?
> >
> > Anyone run into this problem on the Mac mini?
> >
> > Thanks, Eric.
> >
> > FYI Here's what's displayed on my screen before it goes "down for the count":
> >
> > I'm running yaboot 1.313
> >
> > device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0
> >
> > partition=3
> >
> > After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
> > screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):
> >
> > Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc
> >
> > linked at:          0xc0000000
> > frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
> > klimit:               0xc0320b20
> > MSR:                0x00003030
> > HID0:                0x8418c0bc
> >
> > pmac_init(): exit
> > id_mach(): done
> > MMU:enter
> > MMU:hw init
> > hash:enter
> > hash:find piece
> > hash:patch
> > hash:done
> > MMU:mapin
> > MMU:setio
> > MMU:exit
> > setup_arch: enter
> > setup_arch: bootmem
> > arch: exit
> > openpic: enter
> > openpic: timer
> > openpic: external
> > openpic: spurious
> > openpic: exit



From james at grayonline.id.au  Mon Dec 12 05:03:17 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:03:17 +1100
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111822q32eee180g4d18b94e46ed150e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512121309.25279.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<d12e5c90512111822q32eee180g4d18b94e46ed150e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512121603.20995.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:22, Senectus . wrote:
> On 12/12/05, James Gray wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:32, Senectus . wrote:
> > > I'm currently using the "Terminal Server Viewer" that comes default
> > > on an Ubuntu install to view VNC, it's a pretty decent viewer in
> > > general but it really suffers in some area's.
> >
> > Just FYI, "Terminal Server" is generally understood to mean RDP (Remote
> > Desktop Protocol) ie, Microsoft Terminal Services.  VNC is something
> > totally different.  Both provide a desktop for interaction with the OS,
> > but both use fundamentally different (and incompatible) protocols.
>
> yeah I'm well aware of the difference.. but the software that does
> both RDP and VNC is called "Terminal Server Viewer"
> Not just a made up expression from me ;-)

Ah - I see. Most be a Gnome thing.  I actually use "krdc" which is a KDE 
front-end to rdesktop (RDP client) and VNC.  So sounds like the same sort 
of thing.  My smallest desktop is 1280x1024, so I don't have the problems 
of scaling that you're having.  Just thought I'd mention the difference in 
the protocols in case there was any confusion about what you're trying to 
do and what you're trying to connect to.

Peace :)

James
-- 
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying
of nothing.
		-- Redd Foxx
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From ubuntu at cafuego.net  Mon Dec 12 06:58:38 2005
From: ubuntu at cafuego.net (Peter Lieverdink)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:58:38 +1100
Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????,
	(Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
In-Reply-To: <439CE632.9020008@optusnet.com.au>
References: <439CE632.9020008@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <439D1F9E.9070702@cafuego.net>

Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> All the ubuntu runlevels are configured so they proceed smoothly to
> runlevel 5. To alter this behaviour first alter inittab to have it boot
> to the runlevel you wish, and thentype in the terminal:

Not quite, 2-5 just all do the same thing, so changing the default
runlevel has *no* effect whatsoever.

> mkdir /home/[username]/backup
> sudo mv /etc/rc[runlevel].d/*dm /home/[username]/backup
> 
> This will prevent it from loading X. To have it load X just type startx
> in the terminal. To have it load X automatically on boot just move those
> files back to their original location.

Or you could check the /etc/rc?.d/*dm files and see none of them run
when they're not the default, as set in /etc/X11/default-display-manager.

So you could simply edit *that* file and set its contents to "fubar".

See also 'rcconf' or 'System -> Administration -> Services'

- P.




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 12 07:23:20 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:23:20 +1100
Subject: boot cd drive...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <439CAFA6.8030600@optusnet.com.au>
References: <439CAFA6.8030600@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051212182320.af7acf01.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:00:54 +1100
Sasha Tsykin <psychosushi at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> It is possible that ordinary dvd-rom drives do not work for the 
> installation cd. I tried installing ubuntu through my dvd-rom drive with 
> no result but the dvd-ram drive worked perfectly.

Sasha, none of your replies appear in the relevant threads - they would be
more relevant if you used "reply to list" or similar in your mail client:-
or is mine broken? <grin>

Peter


-- 

Linux User #343161 



From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Mon Dec 12 07:38:22 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:38:22 +0100
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
References: <1134360175.8499.50.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.12.07.38.21.790906@xs4all.nl>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:02:55 +1100, Steven Heimann wrote:

> I have upgraded to 5.10 which seems to default to hplip for hp printers
> and scanners.
> 
> I have a network attached Officejet 7210.
> 
> I can't seem to fathom how to get hplip to work with a network attached
> printer/scanner so have reverted to hpoj.  However, hpoj seems now to be
> very unreliable for scanning with many time outs / failure to connects
> etc.
> 
> Does hplip work with a network attached device and has anyone found any
> instructions on how to get it working?
> 
> Regards
> Steven

This is how I got my HP DeskJet 5850 with IP 10.0.0.160 working:

1. Run as user the command "hp-makeuri 10.0.0.160", resulting in the 
output: "hp:/net/deskjet_5800?ip=10.0.0.160" (note the single slash).

2. Now install the printer, using System/Administration/Printing menu, as
a CUPS (IPP) printer with this URI, accepting the proposed driver from the
HPLIP brand.

You would have to use your own printer network address.

-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 08:00:54 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:00:54 +0000
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3f1760512120000h1eca2c97o@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:

> hunh... OK if KDE-ubuntu = kubuntu, why doesn't GNOME-ubuntu = gubuntu???

s/-/+/g ( "I find your lack of arithmetic....disturbing" )

Because ubuntu ships with GNOME by default.
It's just a desktop manager. Just 'sudo apt-get install kde' if it
bothers you that much.



--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From revant.one at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 08:17:41 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:47:41 +0530
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112228330.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512111205x5d507a21yd071dd403b4d2b63@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112228330.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512120017h3e83f49dn4331d43a5882360b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> It would appear that on Dec 12, (?????) Revant Nandgaonkar did say:
>
> >
> > If you are installing ubuntu first time, follow the starter guide. It's
> best
> > source of information for beginning your ubuntu journey.
> > read the starter guide here >
> > http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
> >
> > revant
> >
>
> Thanks for the link Revant, But I went there and quickly found that I'd
> have to wade through so many things I'm not looking for to find the ones
> I need to know that by the time I find them I wouldn't recognize them...
> If it was a printed book without all those dang html links that change
> where in the book you are, I might try to read it...
>
> But for example, when I see a link under section 2.7 that's titled:
>
> => "How to manually update Ubuntu using Apt-get?"
> => ________^^^^^^^^_____________________^^^^^^^
> =>
> =>
> =>    1.  Read How do I add Universe and Multiverse?
> => . . . . . . ____________________________________
> =>
> =>    2.  sudo apt-get update
> =>        sudo apt-get upgrade
>
> I find it very confusing to wind up reading how to use the freaking gui
> synaptic tool to add Universe and Multiverse instead of telling me how
> to edit the apt-get sources file to include them. I mean if I found the
> gui
> tool easier than the command line version I wouldn't want to know how to
> do it with apt-get...
>
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> |    ^^^   ^^^
> |    <o>   <o>       Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
> |        ^                J(tWdy)P
> |       ___            <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>
> |
> |      <sigh>
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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>


the guide can also be found in System > Help > Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide

and it is divided into readable sections there.

Revant
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From magnus at therning.org  Mon Dec 12 08:36:39 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:36:39 +0000
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111809j103a3975hc9ef90cf8b65a597@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512111809j103a3975hc9ef90cf8b65a597@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051212083639.GD5297@die.therning.org>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:09:34AM +0800, Senectus . wrote:
>On 12/12/05, Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Use the right mouse key to scroll up, it's not very intuative but
>> at least it works.
>sweet, thanks :-)
>Would still like to "scale" the viewer though :-P

The bars are athena widgets I guess, they work VERY differently from
what you're used to from gtk/qt/windoze:

 Left button clicks will scroll down proportionally to where in the
 scrollbar you click.

 Right button clicks will scroll up proportionally to where in the
 scrollbar you click.

 Middle button press-n-drag will scroll interactively.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick
to anger.
     -- J.R.R Tolkien
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 09:08:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:08:36 -0500
Subject: w stopped working?
References: <e40e29dd0510300707p59de0a64u@mail.gmail.com><1130690875.8322.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0510300938m6b198b05g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gasley.1zx6za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I seem to be having the same problem. My /var/run/utmp has the right
permissions (664). 

Also, when resuming a screen, the following errormsg flashes briefly at
the bottom before the screen appears:




Code:
--------------------
    Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process
--------------------


-- 
gasley



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 09:10:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:10:52 -0500
Subject: w stopped working?
References: <e40e29dd0510300707p59de0a64u@mail.gmail.com><1130690875.8322.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0510300938m6b198b05g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gasley.1zx6za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Eamonn Sullivan Wrote: 
> On 30/10/05, Robbo <ml (AT) the-view (DOT) eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

> > On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 15:07 +0000, Eamonn Sullivan wrote:

> > > I use the w command often when working on Ubuntu because I
> primarily

> > > use it from a wirelessly connected laptop via VNC. I use w to check
> if

> > > any of my kids are logged in on the computer (which is on the
> other

> > > side of the house), if i need to restart or do anything cpu
> intensive.

> > > Normally, when I run the command, i'd see myself and who ever is

> > > logged on upstairs (or via another vncserver connection) like
> user:0

> > > or user:1. However, in the last week or so w stopped working. Now
> I

> > > just get:

> > >

> > > esullivan at gandalf:~ $ w

> > >  15:03:32 up 1 day, 16:14,  2 users,  load average: 1.20, 0.89,
> 0.93

> > > USER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU
> WHAT

> > > esullivan at gandalf:~ $

> > >

> > >

> >

> > w gets it's information from /var/run/utmp, check if this file
> exists

> > and has the permissions of -rw-rw-r-- (664).

> 

> Yep, it's there and has those permissions.

> 

> -Eamonn

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

I seem to be having the same problem. My /var/run/utmp has the right
permissions (664). 

Also, when resuming a screen, the following errormsg flashes briefly at
the bottom before the screen appears:




Code:
--------------------
    Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process
--------------------


-- 
gasley



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 09:26:04 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:26:04 +0200
Subject: Empty trash doesn't empty the trash completely
In-Reply-To: <476484250512111756i38687edcjbec64e556711adba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134155155.9577.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439A6DEC.4090408@fletcher.ca>
	<476484250512111756i38687edcjbec64e556711adba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134379564.8577.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 09:56 +0800, rpowersau at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>         Giorgos wrote:
>         | I've had this problem for a while, if I click "Empty Trash"
>         only the 
>         | files deleted recently will be emptied. There are ~90 files
>         that don't
>         | get deleted. If I open Trash and delete them manually it
>         works (so
>         | obviously I do have the permissions.
>         |
>         | Should I just delete them manually and file a bug? 
>         
> Are they files that you deleted as root? Is do you won't have
> permission to delete them as a user. You'll have to sudo to delete
> them.
> 
> 
Read my original message. If I go inside the Trash and delete them
manually it works so I obviously have the permissions.




From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 09:27:43 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:27:43 +0000
Subject: Undefined symbol error message
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512111306l48e4b83w2bd90891ae13606e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512111852.52047.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
	<e453abbe0512111306l48e4b83w2bd90891ae13606e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512120927.43157.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

On Sunday 11 Dec 2005 9:06 pm, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> On 12/11/05, Keith Powell <keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > I have installed a program QSSTV from the repositories, but it
> > won't run.
> >
> > If I try to run it from a terminal, I get the error message:
> >
> > symbol lookup error: qsstv: undefined symbol:
> > _ZN13QWindowsStyleC1Ev
> >
> > I have no idea what this means.
> >
> > Please can someone help, by telling me what it means and how I
> > can run the program?
>
> Is that Breezy?  A google search turns out these 2 emails:
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/09/msg00373.html
>
> So it seems Debian had the same problem briefly in September.
>

Thanks for your reply, Daniel.

Yesterday, I felt as though I was hitting my head against a brick wall 
in trying to install the qsstv program.

I run an rpm based distro as well as breezy. There isn't an rpm for 
the program, so I tried to compile it. 'Configure' kept failing with 
the usual (for me) loads of cryptic error messages, few of which I 
could even try to understand. Spent many hours trying to sort it, but 
it was "RPM Hell!"

Then I turned to Breezy and found the program in the repositories. 
Problems solved, or so I thought! No, I got the error message about a 
symbol lookup error. So I tried compiling the program into Breezy. No 
luck, the same sort of error messages as I got with the other distro. 
In fact, "DEB Hell". I was going round in circles and getting 
nowhere!

I sometimes wonder if the programmers who issue their programs in 
tarball form are trying to frighten off non-experts from using Linux. 
If only the compiling error messages were straightforward (eg, 
"Package xyz.2.1.3, needs to be installed, as Libxyz.2.1.3, which is 
part of it, is required. You have version 1.2.3 installed"), we 
non-experts might get less frustrated. End of rant!

I'll try it again with the QT version mentioned in Debian lists to 
which you pointed me. 

Cheers and thanks again

Keith



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 10:24:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:24:32 -0500
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com><e50811220512111750h398ceb30x@mail.gmail.com><d12e5c90512111809j103a3975hc9ef90cf8b65a597@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051212083639.GD5297@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <joselin.1zxaom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95293



Regards.


-- 
joselin



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 10:45:04 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:45:04 +0000
Subject: w stopped working?
In-Reply-To: <gasley.1zx6za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <e40e29dd0510300707p59de0a64u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1130690875.8322.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0510300938m6b198b05g@mail.gmail.com>
	<gasley.1zx6za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512120245r16cacef6w@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I seem to be having the same problem. My /var/run/utmp has the right
> permissions (664).
>
> Also, when resuming a screen, the following errormsg flashes briefly at
> the bottom before the screen appears:
>
>
>
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>     Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process
> --------------------
>

I never did clear this up, but the problem went away after restarting.
I haven't seen it since. Maybe there's a memory leak somewhere that
only manifests after a long time? I'm just guessing. I didn't collect
enough information to even file a bug report because I had to reboot
shortly after I started this thread. (a kernel update, I think. It's
been a while.)

-Eamonn



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Mon Dec 12 11:12:24 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:24 +0100
Subject: Dependency problems
In-Reply-To: <Mujaheiden.1zqfgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <W361097228106631131536279@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
	<1131564820.8829.0.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<Mujaheiden.1zqfgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134385944.31678.6.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On do, 2005-12-08 at 12:22 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:

> any tips? 

That sources.list is a bit messy, but should work. A proper sources.list
for breezy is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d2325

The errors from apt-get may be solvable by running the following
commands:

dpkg --configure --pending
apt-get -f install
apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 12 11:36:23 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:36:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Optimization Links please Was: Guide to optimize Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512101854o11e5cecbt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e50811220512101122g35c3aac4x@mail.gmail.com><20051211024303.86179.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e50811220512101854o11e5cecbt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21844.213.237.42.134.1134387383.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

Hi guide-makers

I am working on an optimation guide and rescue-guide for some mounths now*
to be uploaded (in march at www.scientific.dk - now only language
optimizations).
What I need for this are some precise and reliable how-to & descriptions like
yours:
>> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html?page=1

Please use links and possible corrections to these. I think it is bedder
than the many spread advices as documentation then is included. For loose
speedups optimization tips you can find at the november issue of
LinuxFormat.

Best regards

Phillip


* My reason is to help a LinuxUserGroup I started in China to set-up some
renovated computers from Denmark to countryside or low-tech areas outside
Kunming, China ( http://wiki.kunminglug.org )



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Mon Dec 12 11:38:28 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:38:28 -0700
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>	<439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439D6134.20101@angrykeyboarder.com>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
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> It would appear that on Dec 11, albi did say:
> 
>> 
>> there's one easy solution, install kubuntu instead
>> 
>> http://www.kubuntu.org/
>> 
>> 
>  
> hunh... OK if KDE-ubuntu = kubuntu, why doesn't GNOME-ubuntu = gubuntu???
> 
> That just might be a good reason to reinstall with the kubuntu version.
> I sure wish I'd noticed that little detail first...

Suffering from lack of sleep and/or a major case of ADD?

> Hmmmnnn If I was using kubuntu would ubuntu-users still be the
> appropriate mailing list?

See previous statement....

After that, see....

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&rls=GGGL%2CGGGL%3A2005-09%2CGGGL%3Aen&q=kubuntu&btnG=Search
http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users





From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 11:55:49 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:55:49 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <1134360731.4281.101.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
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It would appear that on Dec 11, Mike Bird did say:

> It's bloody annoying for sysadmins switching from other distros but once
> one has been enlightened its easy enough to set a root password and use
> Ubuntu like regular distros.

Especially if they still use those other distros right???

Actually I've bumped into just enough (and given that I want KDE for my
OPTIONAL gui, that I'm downloading the kubuntu version and will see if I
do better following some advice I got for NON-expert admins to use the
expert mode install... Overwriting my 1st attempt at ubuntu... (course
I've saved a log of most the changes I've made to make it a little more
bearable but we shall see how many of them relate to gnome rather than
other philosophical differences with the ubuntu security team... <grin>

> BTW, in response to an earlier point you made, I use konsole where one
> can readily configure different colored backgrounds for root sessions,
> and even define new session types which automatically start by ssh-ing
> to a different system.  When my KDE desktop comes up it has terminal
> windows running shells on the three key systems from which I sysadmin
> the rest.

Yeah, well If I ever had to admin (or even login to) remote *nix systems
I'd have bothered to get used to ssh (beyond laboriously cobbling together
a small script to remember how to login to a Unix shell I had at UML for
some basic Unix course {probably "intro to" <grin>} I once took...)

:r ~/bin2nd/off/ssh_uml

echo " rem: its the password for user jphil982 it wants... [duh!]"
echo
ssh jphil982 at ce.uml.edu

And usually it meant I did the most the real work locally and used this 
one a lot.

:r ~/bin2nd/off/sftp_uml

echo " rem: its the password for user jphil982 it wants... [duh!]"
echo
sftp jphil982 at ce.uml.edu

Which most always meant I had another konsole open with '$ man sftp' So
that I wouldn't screw up. And another running mc in the same directory
from which I fired up the two scripts... 

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 11:50:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:50:29 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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I will try that out when I get home from work and see what happens.
Thanks again


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 11:52:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:52:16 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Also a quick question. I skipped the network config portion during my
install since I was wanting to setup wireless once I got logged into
the gui but it looks like for now I will just hook up a cable to my
router. Is there a way to configure my network connection from command
line?


-- 
zenlakin



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 12:00:29 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:00:29 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <e06f2acd0512120017h3e83f49dn4331d43a5882360b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512111205x5d507a21yd071dd403b4d2b63@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112228330.2757@localhost.localdomain>
	<e06f2acd0512120017h3e83f49dn4331d43a5882360b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512120658420.2687@localhost.localdomain>

It would appear that on Dec 12, (?????) Revant Nandgaonkar did say:

> the guide can also be found in System > Help > Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide
> 
> and it is divided into readable sections there.


Thanks.... That one I'll at least "look" at <grin>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 12:11:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:11:05 -0500
Subject: Dependency problems
References: <W361097228106631131536279@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
Message-ID: <Mujaheiden.1zxfba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Aha, I think its indeed is going to work, but first i had to stop
postfix with 
Code:
--------------------
    $ sudo /etc/init.d/postfix stop
--------------------


-- 
Mujaheiden



From hanzjordan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 12:27:24 2005
From: hanzjordan at gmail.com (Jeff Co)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:27:24 +0900
Subject: japanese input capability in firefox (version 1.5) ???
Message-ID: <a937801a0512120427u8d0f008me80bb9501ab106cc@mail.gmail.com>

Following the instructions at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JapaneseInputHowToInBreezy, I have installed uim. I
can type japanese in gedit and in Xchat but how can i get Japanese input
capability in firefox 1.5?

Thank you.
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From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Mon Dec 12 13:20:47 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:20:47 +0000
Subject: Quick Dell laptop test - help required
Message-ID: <20051212132047.GA8616@srcf.ucam.org>

This is for all of you who have Dell laptops. Firstly, check if you have 
Intel graphics - from a terminal, do 

lspci | grep VGA

and see if it says Intel. If so, please do the following:

1) Press ctrl+alt+f1
2) Close the laptop lid. Wait a couple of seconds
3) Open the laptop lid. Wait a couple of seconds
4) Is the laptop backlight still switched off? If so, please email me 
(mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org) with your model number. Please don't email the 
mailing list.
5) Press ctrl+alt+f7 and X should come back.

Models I currently know are affected are the Latitude D610, Latitude X1 
and Inspiron 6000.

Thanks,
-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 14:06:42 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:06:42 -0500
Subject: Bouncing Mail
Message-ID: <200512120906.42527.carney1979@gmail.com>

I have an internet domain name.

I keep getting spam at info@<mydomainame>.org.

These people keep wanting to sell me web hosting services that I don't want or 
need.

Their emails have a link to supposedly "de-list" yourself from their emails, 
but I suspect if I click on it, they'll know they got a "live one" and really 
start hammering me with spam, etc.

I have the standard Ubuntu mail setup. Is there a way to filter any mail 
addressed to this address (info@<mydomainame>.org) so it will generate a 
bounced mail (no known address) to the sender?

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From alain.muls at telenet.be  Mon Dec 12 14:31:57 2005
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:31:57 +0100
Subject: Evolution sync
Message-ID: <1134397917.21629.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

In evolution I use 3 calendars (work, home and special).
Syncing reproduces the calendar entries several times, apparently once
for each calendar, with my Palm Zire 31.
How should I proceed to get everything on the Palm Zire without
duplicating entries in evolution?

Tx

Best regards,

________________________________________________________________________

Alain Muls
Royal Military Academy
+32.2.737.6340 (Srt 6341)
Renaissance Avenue 30
alain.muls at telenet.be
B1000 Brussels (Belgium)

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From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 12 15:02:40 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:02:40 -0400
Subject: Kernel 2.6.15-5, udev and Inspiron 6000
References: <rmeb63-q5d.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <g1g073-ki6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> I upgraded the kernel last week.  Big mistake.
> 
> 2.6.15 came with new initramfs-tools and udev (sans hotplug).  This
> coombination made my previous kernel (2.6.12-9) unworkable (because it
> seems to need hotplug).
> 
> However, 2.6.15 has trouble with my SATA drive:
> 
>   ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy

Too bad nobody seems to know anything about this.

I actually _once_ got it to boot 2.6.15-5 and everything worked great -
except suspend, unfortunately, or I wouldn't have needed to reboot since.

2.6.15-7 has replaced 2.6.15-5, and udev has been upgraded to 077-0ubuntu4,
which has a changelog notice indicating that it needed to wait longer for
SATA hardware.  Now the boot process goes further, but eventually panics.

Any suggestions for getting it to recognize the SATA drives?  As it is, I'm
without wireless, external keyboard or mouse, until I get a working 2.6.15
kernel or downgrade udev to work with 2.6.12 again.
-- 
derek




From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 15:12:13 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:12:13 +0000
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
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> It would appear that on Dec 11, Sam Tygier did say:
> 
> 
>>have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
>>
>>i can see why you'd be supprised, but its good stuff.
> 
> 
> Perhaps, but I don't agree with it. Or is it that it doesn't agree with
> me. In any case, as much as I'd like to like ubuntu, if it insists on
> shoving sudo up my kudzu, I'll wind up dumping it.

ok. linux is about choice as they say.

you might find debian slightly better suited to you than ubuntu. but you can mould ubuntu a fair amount. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth has a good explanation of the differences between the distros.

"Why are you funding Ubuntu, instead of giving the money to Debian?
<snip>
First, a lot of the things I want to do involve reducing the scope of the distro. That makes it MORE useful for one set of people, but quite clearly LESS useful for others. For example, we currently officially support only 3 architectures in Ubuntu. That's GREAT for people running those architectures, but clearly not so useful for people running on something else."

which i think sums up the aims of ubuntu quite well.

sam

		
___________________________________________________________ 
How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday 
snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com




From brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com  Mon Dec 12 15:27:56 2005
From: brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com (Brant Fitzsimmons)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:27:56 -0500
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0512102235540.15010@localhost.localdomain>	<439C9F7B.4020402@scii.nl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112255490.2757@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439D96FC.1030802@bfcomputerconsulting.com>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

> It would appear that on Dec 11, albi did say:
>
> >there's one easy solution, install kubuntu instead
>
> >http://www.kubuntu.org/
>
>
>  
> hunh... OK if KDE-ubuntu = kubuntu, why doesn't GNOME-ubuntu = gubuntu???

Because Ubuntu was around first and wasn't a play on words.  Kubuntu is
a combination of KDE and Ubuntu that still happens to create a word that
actually exists.  I'm not sure about Xubuntu existing as an actual word.

>
> That just might be a good reason to reinstall with the kubuntu version.
> I sure wish I'd noticed that little detail first...
>
> Hmmmnnn If I was using kubuntu would ubuntu-users still be the
> appropriate mailing list?


I think that kubuntu-users would be the appropriate list.
-- 
Brant Fitzsimmons
brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Strange times are these in which we live when the old and the
young are taught falsehoods in the schools of learning. And the one
man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and
a fool."
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From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu  Mon Dec 12 15:33:16 2005
From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: acroread plugin not working
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Hello,

I have just installed Breezy, added Acrobat Reader 7, copied nppdf.so to
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, but the plugin does not seem to be recognised
(does not show up in About:Plugins, PDF files open in a separate window,
not in browser). Acrobat reader works fine. Firefox does not "see" the
plugin either.

Has anyone had this problem?  Any fixes?

I have installed quite a few Debian and (K)Ubuntu desktop systems, but
this is the first time I'm running into this problem.

Thanks,
Sarunas
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From shchoi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:41:39 2005
From: shchoi at gmail.com (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:41:39 +0000
Subject: ssh banner
In-Reply-To: <1134359111.5273.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134359111.5273.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <34b425c50512120741w4630424aj92fa7ca0d9ec0e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Tim,

Right. Thanks for this. Maybe my question was not so clear. :-)
(I mean your explanation was very clear and useful too.)

What I wanted to do is to display an "animated" banner generated by
figlet such that the banner displays a letter with some delay. In this
way, a user could see a letter one by one up untill the last letter.
It could be better if I could put some colours on the letters.

Would this be still possible?

Thanks,


On 12/12/05, Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 02:56 +0000, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to display a customised (and animated) banner using
> > "figlet" when a user logs into a machine using ssh. (I am not talking
> > about to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config for this banner.)
>
> You will have to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config, one time only, to enable
> the "banner" option.  If you change "#Banner /etc/issue.net" to
> "Banner /etc/issue.ssh", then restart sshd, you can then create and
> maintain the banner file using figlet or any other tools.  If the file
> is created so that you can write it as yourself, then you won't need to
> use sudo;)
>
> NOTE:  It is possible that the system updates /etc/issue.net at times,
> which is why I suggest that you specify your own custom file.
>
> >
> > any help on this?
> >
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 15:57:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:57:31 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu Breezy on a SATA RAID array
References: <4354B88F.9060202@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <carloshideout.1zxphy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've got the exact same problem, on a ASUS A7N8X-E motherboard.



Also when i partition /dev/md0 manual with fdisk (which works fine) and
go back into setup it doesn't see those partitions, so that work around
doesn't work.



Also tried LVM, no play.


-- 
carlos at hideout



From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 15:59:37 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:59:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Repositiries
Message-ID: <20051212155937.88501.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

 I'm using Breezy but when I try to change the repositories to include community, non-free, it doesn't stay set.
 
 I press Settings -> Repostories -> Add to add the repositories and then press OK, then press OK in the main box (which then asks me to reload as my repositories have changed.
 
 But if I press on Add again, they're not set.
 
 Even if I just press Add, click the check boxes, press OK, the go straight back into Add, they're unchecked.
 
 If I uncheck restricted, ofiicial, when I go straight back in, they're checked.
 
 Any pointers
 
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From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 12 16:05:12 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:05:12 +0100
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>
Message-ID: <439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>

 > I have just installed Breezy, added Acrobat Reader 7, copied nppdf.so
 > to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, but the plugin does not seem to be
 > recognised (does not show up in About:Plugins, PDF files open in a
 > separate window, not in browser). Acrobat reader works fine. Firefox
 > does not "see" the plugin either.

Try installing the packages acroread, mozilla-acroread, and perhaps
acroread-plugins from the universe repository, which you might need to
enable first (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories). I
would recommend installing acroread from this repository even if the way
you did it wouldn't cause any problems...


Regards,
Tobi



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 12 15:13:15 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:13:15 -0400
Subject: Quick Dell laptop test - help required
References: <20051212132047.GA8616@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <blg073-tc9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> This is for all of you who have Dell laptops. Firstly, check if you have
> Intel graphics - from a terminal, do
> 
> lspci | grep VGA
> 
> and see if it says Intel. If so, please do the following:
> 
> 1) Press ctrl+alt+f1
> 2) Close the laptop lid. Wait a couple of seconds
> 3) Open the laptop lid. Wait a couple of seconds
> 4) Is the laptop backlight still switched off? If so, please email me
> (mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org) with your model number. 

Yes, on my Inspiron 6000 that's true.

> Please don't email the mailing list.

Why not?  Mailing list traffic should _stay_ on mailing lists.  If you'd
asked for CCs, I might do it (but not if it's one of those "please CC me
because I'm not subscribed" requests, which imo say you have time enough to
bother us, but not time enough to be bothered by us), but I don't believe
in asking questions on lists and then not giving the list the benefit of
the responses.

> 5) Press ctrl+alt+f7 and X should come back.

Not in my experience.  If I open the lid and the light doesn't come on I
will not be able to get it on by switching terminals - even to X.  I have
to either log in from another machine or ctrl-alt-f1 and log in blindly,
then do "vbetool post".  I wonder if ctrl-alt-backspace might do the trick
- which, of course, is only acceptable if you didn't have a running desktop
session.
-- 
derek




From andreas at schildbach.de  Mon Dec 12 16:18:15 2005
From: andreas at schildbach.de (Andreas Schildbach)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:18:15 +0100
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439DA2C7.30502@schildbach.de>

And I would like to forward input events (keyboard, mouse) to the remote 
system, _without_ sharing its display.

Regards,

Andreas




From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 12 16:32:51 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:32:51 +0100
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu> <439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>

 > acroread-plugins from the universe repository, which you might need to

Sorry, that should read:

 > acroread-plugins from the multiverse repository, which you might need to

Regards,
Tobi



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 16:42:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:42:35 -0500
Subject: BB release candidate problems with raid and LVM on install
References: <digq1a$t4j$1@sea.gmane.org><20051011193931.GD20895@riva.ucam.org>	<dihech$4ih$1@sea.gmane.org><dihg58$92t$1@sea.gmane.org><351278b80510111700m5934957fp298926468bcc1321@mail.gmail.com>
	<diho9r$s4s$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <carloshideout.1zxs9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm now into this wonderfull mess as well. Trying to setup SATA RAID1
and RAID5 environment using LVM.



Have spend allready 2 days on it, and am getting quite far, but still
so many errors. Cleaning out the first secors of the disks is definitly
a good idea. Because  messing about with RAID and LVM settings tends to
screw things up (i.e. it suddenly reads partition info from an extended
partition you thought you deleted before).



Currently i also just think that the server installer simply doesn't
work properly with raid and lvm. I wonder if this has been tested at
all before? Think i'll sign up as a tester, seems like they need more
people.



Good side of all this is that i've learned a lot more now about lvm and
raid. so guess these 2 days have been worth something though (still no
running server though!).



Also bit worried what the next Ubuntu release will do to my manual
setup raid and lvm config. Allready read stories about Breezy
corrupting Hoary filesystems that were on a raid. So note to self to
get the tapedrive out of the cupboard before i do a dist-upgrqade!


-- 
carlos at hideout



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 16:55:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:55:04 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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zenlakin Wrote: 
> Also a quick question. I skipped the network config portion during my
> install since I was wanting to setup wireless once I got logged into
> the gui but it looks like for now I will just hook up a cable to my
> router. Is there a way to configure my network connection from command
> line?
You should be able to just plug the cable in.  Enter ifconfig, and see
if eth0 shows up and has an address.  If it has no ip number, then
enter "sudo dhclient eth0" (DHCP network assumed) and it should start
up.


-- 
azcrumpty



From christoph.bier at web.de  Mon Dec 12 16:58:06 2005
From: christoph.bier at web.de (Christoph Bier)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:58:06 +0100
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
Message-ID: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi all!

Some months ago I migrated my laptop from Sarge to Hoary and some
weeks ago to Breezy. Now, that I had to use the laptop quite often
again, I noticed that it runs very slowly and unstable (in contrast
to sarge; while Hoary was installed I didn't use the laptop that
much). Sometimes the mouse pointer doesn't react for (many) minutes,
the whole GUI seems to be frozen; no updates in the watched log
files and gkrellm (sometimes the clock is updated). pings are then
answered with no noteworthy delay (time=0.2 ms) but remote login via
ssh is very slow i.e. it takes about one to fifteen(!) minutes until
I get prompted for the password. Viewing `top' remotely shows
nothing special. But X or GNOME still seem to be frozen. The HDD-LED
is always glowing, CPU is running with lowest frequency (633MHz).

A frozen GUI appears reproducible (but not only) using image viewers
as gqview or gthumb. Sometimes just opening those applications is
enough for system freeze or running unison-gtk while gqview is
opened (I don't do anything on my laptop, only unison-gtk is
working---GUI freezes ...) or fast image alternation. Whereas "fast"
means < 7 seconds. Then I have to kill X via `Ctrl Alt Backspace',
kill gqview remotely if possible (after that everything's ok again)
or I just wait for about 5--75 minutes until the GUI "wakes up"
again. But then some applications are closed or crashed. Especially
Mozilla is always gone after the "wake up".

I never observed such instability on the same hardware with Debian
Woody and Sarge and I still don't do with Knoppix (from CD-ROM), so
I don't think that there's a hardware defect (BTW: Booting the
Knoppix live CD with *no* configuration file takes 1 min 20 sec,
booting Breezy from HDD takes 1 min 10 sec). Can anybody help me to
find out what's going wrong on my laptop? I'd really like to fix it
because at the moment my laptop is nearly unusable.

Hardware:
---------
CPU: Athlon XP 2200+ M
RAM: 256MB (checked with memtest86+ in the last 30 hours)
Graphics: S3 ProSavage8 KM266/KL266 (Xorg driver "savage")
Chipset: VIA Apollo Pro266 AGP (memtest86+ writes "VIA KN266")

Kernel: 2.6.12-10-k7

Any help appreciated!

Best regards,
	Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4)




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 12 17:06:45 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:06:45 -0500
Subject: Installing Ubuntu Breezy on a SATA RAID array
In-Reply-To: <4354B88F.9060202@linuxmail.org>
References: <4354B88F.9060202@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <439DAE25.1090809@cfl.rr.com>

You might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto.

Using the md driver with the hardware in non raid mode should work, but 
at least /boot has to be on a normal partition, or a raid1, not raid0 or 
raid5.  By using the hardware fakeraid support, you can boot directly 
from a raid0, including dual booting with windows.

By the way, don't you mean Western Digital Raptor, not Seagate?

Chris Morrison wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on my new computer without success.
> 
> My motherboard has the NIVIDIA nForce 3 chipset with onboard SATA RAID,
> I have two Seagate Raptor drives connected to the first two RAID ports.
> 
> When I run the Ubuntu Installer, I choose 'manually configure the
> partition table' and I use the software RAID driver to create an 'md'
> RAID array with these two drives.
> 
> However, when I try to automatically partition the new 'md' volume it
> fails with an error saying there are too many primary partitions in the
> partition table. I have tried making the RAID partitions on the two
> drives logical instead of primary but I get the same error.
> 
> Does anyone know how to install on a SATA RAID array or where I can find
> instructions?
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Chris Morrison
> 




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 12 17:13:58 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:13:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Installation of Educational Packages
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512101619k5ba0966ardf6446dfd182005c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23647.213.237.42.134.1134407638.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

Hello again.
>
> I want to give a Ubuntu 5.10 CD to my nephew who is studying in 4th
> grade.  On Fedora Core 3, I have some educational packages but I think
> (I do _not_ really know - I am not sure) that those educational
> packages are only for KDE.
Look up the different names of the edu-applications and find out if they
are in the repositories or if your dare in debeanpackages. I have bad and
damaging experiences in Ubuntu installing tar.gz files and .configure make
and make install. Some typical KDE packages are very usefull in Gnome too
such as K3B, but sometimes they cannot work properly.

>
> Is there any way I can download the educational softwares _separately_
You just need their names and look up in aptitude or synaptic if they are
in there.
> and install them on his Ubuntu computer without using _any_
> net-connected automatic download/install facility.
Before that do
sudo apt-cdrom add
from your installation CD.
> Will I have to do
> ./configure/make/install?
I suggest you do not. I installed Midnight Commander Light and have
Segmentation errors in most new installed packages after that in Breezy.
>
> I didn't find gcc on my 5.10 distribution.
>
> The reason I get shivers at the thought of downloading EduBuntu is
> that I am on a dial-up connection and the Internet speed is not that
> good!
If you find some usefull packages - please report their names and links
back to the newsgroup.

Phillip



From radsky at ncia.net  Mon Dec 12 17:17:44 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:17:44 -0500
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
Message-ID: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>

I used to run Lycoris on an older computer and recall a desktop
background that was a snowy sunny winter scene in a white birch forest,
something I'd like to have on a ubuntu desktop. I've made an intensive
search on the web for this photo but can't find it anywhere. Perhaps
someone here might recall the scene if they used the old Lycoris.

This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
possible and how might it be done?

alex




From dontodd at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 17:20:09 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:20:09 -0500
Subject: Bouncing Mail
In-Reply-To: <200512120906.42527.carney1979@gmail.com>
References: <200512120906.42527.carney1979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512120920x7f3dc318i5343d0332d44c0ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, David M. Carney <carney1979 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an internet domain name.
>
> I keep getting spam at info@<mydomainame>.org.
>
> These people keep wanting to sell me web hosting services that I don't want or
> need.
>
> Their emails have a link to supposedly "de-list" yourself from their emails,
> but I suspect if I click on it, they'll know they got a "live one" and really
> start hammering me with spam, etc.
>
> I have the standard Ubuntu mail setup. Is there a way to filter any mail
> addressed to this address (info@<mydomainame>.org) so it will generate a
> bounced mail (no known address) to the sender?

Check /etc/aliases to see if you're aliasing info to your account. You
can delete the alias and run newaliases.

Todd



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 12 17:26:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:26:12 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zxs9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zxu4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


cool, I will try that when I get home. Boy do I have a lot to relearn
about linux command line. I used linux about 2 years ago and that was
redhat so I didn't do a whole lot with it.


-- 
zenlakin



From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu  Mon Dec 12 17:56:13 2005
From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:56:13 -0500
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>
	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk> <439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>

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Tobias Heinemann wrote:
>> acroread-plugins from the universe repository, which you might need to
> 
> Sorry, that should read:
> 
>> acroread-plugins from the multiverse repository, which you might need to
Yes, I know...

Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu packages
(acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem. nppdf.so are of
course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.

I can reinstall the system from scratch, but it would be rally useful to
 find out what causes this problem. No luck so far.

Sarunas

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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 12 18:00:20 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:00:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <23966.213.237.42.134.1134410420.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> I used to run Lycoris on an older computer and recall a desktop
> background that was a snowy sunny winter scene in a white birch forest,
> something I'd like to have on a ubuntu desktop. I've made an intensive
> search on the web for this photo but can't find it anywhere. Perhaps
> someone here might recall the scene if they used the old Lycoris.
>
> This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
> still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
> scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
> possible and how might it be done?
Nearly too small "problem" to bother other people but now I have read your
mail - here are some beautifull winter-wallpapers:
http://images.google.dk/images?q=%22desktop+wallpaper%22+winter&svnum=10&hl=da&hs=OuB&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:da-DK:unofficial&start=120&sa=N

or

http://images.google.dk/images?svnum=10&hs=S1B&hl=da&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Ada-DK%3Aunofficial&q=%22birch+forest%22+winter&btnG=S%C3%B8g


Phillip



From T.Six at gmx.de  Mon Dec 12 17:56:24 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:56:24 +0100
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>

Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் schrieb am 11.12.2005 01:26:

> First of all, can you mount the drive through shell.
>   sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk
> 
> If you can, are you using GNOME or some other WM? If the above line
> worked you might try adding it to /etc/fstab like this
>   /dev/sda1  /media/usbdisk  vfat  defaults,user  0  0
> 
> PS: Change the above commands to suit your system.
> 

Thanks for your answer.

I use Gnome and it worked all the time since i use Ubuntu (Warthy).
But suddenly it stopped working.
If i mount it "by Hand" it works, no prob - but it should be automated,
as it was. And create an icon on the desktop, what not does happen.
I´ve installed this "autofs" - no change.

any othe ideas?

TIA Thilo




From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Mon Dec 12 18:13:51 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:13:51 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <20051211001052.GD13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
	<20051211001052.GD13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <20051212181351.GA29653@utoronto.ca>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:10:52AM +0000, David Hart wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:12:32PM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> 
> > anyway, I love beagle, am just getting used to its awesome power, but
> > I would like to have slightly more robust interfaces e.g. "smart
> > folders" à la MacOS, with beagle-derived search results updated every
> > time you open the "folder"  (so it's not really a folder, but an alias
> > for a command I guess.  
> 
> That's not the way I understand that Beagle works.  AFAIU the kernel
> notifies Beagle of changes in the filesystem and Beagle schedules
> those changes for investigation.  In practice, I've found that Beagle
> often reacts to those changes in less than a second (you can see some
> problems that was causing me with Mutt (the mail reader that I use )
> in a thread from last week).

that's my understanding too.  The best search client for beagle
updates search resultsi n real time.  What I'd like is a way to access
common searches in a persistent way -- in effect like having a script
that launches best with a particular query, but from the interface
point of view it would be cool if the search results could look like
filesi n a folder.  I don't see that this is incompatible in principle
with beagle, but I also don't know enough aboutthe inner workings
thereof to be sure.  

> 
> As much as I love Beagle I've had to disable it for the time being.
> I've had problems with the index that Beagle creates growing too much,
> and worse, Mono (on which Beagle depends) has been grabbing memory (like
> a memory leak).

... not related to not having xattr enabled in fstab, is this?  I find
beagle to be working pretty well at the moment...

matt

> 
> I wish I could spend the time to help with bug reports but I just
> can't afford it at the moment (I need to find some paid employment).
> 
> Thanks for the links above (which I'll investigate tomorrow).
> 

-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From jonrue at start.no  Mon Dec 12 18:36:27 2005
From: jonrue at start.no (Jon Gunnar Rue)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:36:27 +0100
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>  <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1134412587.10462.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 18:56 +0100, Thilo Six wrote:

> 
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> I use Gnome and it worked all the time since i use Ubuntu (Warthy).
> But suddenly it stopped working.
> If i mount it "by Hand" it works, no prob - but it should be automated,
> as it was. And create an icon on the desktop, what not does happen.
> I´ve installed this "autofs" - no change.
> 
> any othe ideas?
> 
> TIA Thilo
> 

Sorry to say I cant offer much help. I'm in the same situation after I
installed the latest kernel from backports. (2.6.12-10-amd64-generic)
Don't know what happened, but it worked just as you describe it for me
to before "upgrade"




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:43:30 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:43:30 +0200
Subject: No sound in zsnes unless run with sudo
Message-ID: <1134413010.8577.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Why's this? If I run it with sudo providing my password it works with
sound. If I don't it doesn't. Otherwise sound works fine in my system.




From magnus at therning.org  Mon Dec 12 19:12:39 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:12:39 +0000
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com> <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 06:56:24PM +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
>Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் schrieb am 11.12.2005 01:26:
>
>> First of all, can you mount the drive through shell.
>>   sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk
>> 
>> If you can, are you using GNOME or some other WM? If the above line
>> worked you might try adding it to /etc/fstab like this
>>   /dev/sda1  /media/usbdisk  vfat  defaults,user  0  0
>> 
>> PS: Change the above commands to suit your system.
>> 
>
>Thanks for your answer.
>
>I use Gnome and it worked all the time since i use Ubuntu (Warthy).
>But suddenly it stopped working.
>If i mount it "by Hand" it works, no prob - but it should be automated,
>as it was. And create an icon on the desktop, what not does happen.
>I´ve installed this "autofs" - no change.
>
>any othe ideas?

The automounting in GNOME is performed by gnome-volume-manager, pmount,
and hal. (autofs has nothing to do with it.)

Make sure all three are installed properly. Let us know if it still
doesn't work.

/M

-- 
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magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 19:23:25 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:23:25 -0500
Subject: gnome=YUCK, KDE is my friend...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <439D6134.20101@angrykeyboarder.com>
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It would appear that on Dec 12, Scott did say:

> Suffering from lack of sleep and/or a major case of ADD?

Nah, major lack of _TIME_ and/or an intermittent case of *CRS <see below> ;-)

> > Hmmmnnn If I was using kubuntu would ubuntu-users still be the
> > appropriate mailing list?
> 
> See previous statement....
> 
> After that, see....
> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&rls=GGGL%2CGGGL%3A2005-09%2CGGGL%3Aen&q=kubuntu&btnG=Search
> http://www.kubuntu.org/
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users

Well actually once I knew kubuntu was ubuntu with a KDE focus it didn't
take me long to find something in www.kubuntu.org  that said for KDE
issues they recommend kubuntu-users, but otherwise that ubuntu-users might
still be a better choice... 

So you won't be rid of me that easy...

Have a good one...

	Joe

* CRS : "Can't Remember Sh^Htuff" : In my case this mean that unless I
* do something the same way every day for a LONG time, or have examples
* of how I did it before (where I can still find them), I usually wind up
* scratching my head the next time I need to do a non-daily task.


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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 19:40:17 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:40:17 -0500
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight
 commander]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>

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Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight commander]

Hello. I'm addicted to being able to use the console application mc.

apt-get install mc didn't find it. (and yes I used apt-setup to get the
US repositories for everything I could turn on without having to manually
add the URL's first...

My guess s that the package it's in isn't named mc, But I don't know how
to ask apt-get to search what applications each potential package provides
to learn what the package name might be...

Is there a way to do that????

And/Or

Does anybody know what the package-name I'm looking for is???????

Thanks

Joe


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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 12 20:01:21 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:01:21 -0700
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc???
	[midnight commander]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <03f401c5ff56$d3070490$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good afternoon!

> Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight 
> commander]

Head for http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/allpackages

wherein there is a line that sez:


mc (1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre4-2) [universe]
midnight commander - a powerful file manager

If you can't get the package any other "conventional" way, try clicking on 
mc: gets you here http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/mc

There's Download MC box at the bottom of the page that'll let you download 
the deb

Rob






From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 12 20:03:23 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:03:23 +0100
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>
	<439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk> <439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>
Message-ID: <439DD78B.4010209@nordita.dk>

 > Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu
 > packages (acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem.
 > nppdf.so are of course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.

Are there *any* plugins listed under about:plugins ?

 > I can reinstall the system from scratch, but it would be rally useful
 > to find out what causes this problem. No luck so far.

Try "mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_backup" and restart firefox, maybe that 
helps...

Regards,
Tobi



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 12 20:07:51 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:07:51 -0800
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc???
	[midnight commander]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 14:40 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
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> Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight commander]


IN Hoary


 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe mc
1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1 


Don't know about breezy

Vram


> 
> Hello. I'm addicted to being able to use the console application mc.
> 
> apt-get install mc didn't find it. (and yes I used apt-setup to get the
> US repositories for everything I could turn on without having to manually
> add the URL's first...
> 
> My guess s that the package it's in isn't named mc, But I don't know how
> to ask apt-get to search what applications each potential package provides
> to learn what the package name might be...
> 
> Is there a way to do that????
> 
> And/Or
> 
> Does anybody know what the package-name I'm looking for is???????
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joe
> 
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From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 12 20:08:27 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:08:27 +0100
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight
 commander]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439DD8BB.6060702@nordita.dk>

 > Hello. I'm addicted to being able to use the console application mc.
 >
 > apt-get install mc didn't find it. (and yes I used apt-setup to get the
 > US repositories for everything I could turn on without having to manually
 > add the URL's first...

Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto. mc is in
the universe repository. After you enabled that, you can simply do

   sudo apt-get install mc

and you'll be fine.

Regards,
Tobi



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 20:18:17 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:18:17 -0500
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
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It would appear that on Dec 12, Sam Tygier did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > Perhaps, but I don't agree with it. Or is it that it doesn't agree with
> > me. In any case, as much as I'd like to like ubuntu, if it insists on
> > shoving sudo up my kudzu, I'll wind up dumping it.
> 
> ok. linux is about choice as they say.
> 
> you might find debian slightly better suited to you than ubuntu. but you can
> mould ubuntu a fair amount. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth has a
> good explanation of the differences between the distros.

Yeah well maybe debian has gotten easier to initially set up since I read
about it some time ago. I'd heard that it had a GREAT package management
system, but that the learning curve to get it initially off the ground
was rather steep... (didn't have time then, don't have time now) Perhaps
I'd heard wrong?

What I'd heard about ubuntu on the other hand, was that it was VERY easy
to install, and that it was getting more "love" than redhat's fedora
project... Then when I learned it was based on debian, I figured it was
the best of both worlds. And once I found out that I could most easily
replace gnome with KDE with the kubuntu version I thought about the
advice someone gave me here about NON-expert admins being better off
with the installers "expert" mode...

Did that, applied a few of the changes that fighting with the gnome
version taught me I wanted to do, And now I'm mostly down to trying to
find the packages for a few console apps that I want to preconfigure in
/etc/skel before I create the user account(s) I'll actually use... (most
notably mc, but that's a different thread...)
 
> "Why are you funding Ubuntu, instead of giving the money to Debian?
> <snip>
> First, a lot of the things I want to do involve reducing the scope of the
> distro. That makes it MORE useful for one set of people, but quite clearly
> LESS useful for others. For example, we currently officially support only 3
> architectures in Ubuntu. That's GREAT for people running those architectures,
> but clearly not so useful for people running on something else."
> 
> which i think sums up the aims of ubuntu quite well.

Well so far the only decision that I'm aware of the ubuntu team having
made (that I'm totally incompatible with, is the sudo thing... And that
can be gotten around so...) Otherwise, I'm impressed with how well it's
stuff seams to work. (pretty much out of the box) Once I get a few more
things set up MY way, I think I'm going to _LIKE_ it here... 

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Mon Dec 12 20:41:20 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:41:20 -0500
Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????
In-Reply-To: <200512121313.37185.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112011170.2609@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 James wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:58, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????
> >
> > So how do I get rid of the gui login screen?
> >
> > I don't like any gui to come up until and unless I type startx at a user
> > prompt...
> 
> If you use kdm:
> sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove
> 
> Replace "kdm" with either "gdm" or "xdm" if you use a different login
> manager.

THANK YOU James...

Since I first replaced ubuntu with kubuntu (this time using the
installers expert mode...) And quickly found that I had pretty much the
same issue with the KDE version...

So even though I had little problem circumventing the sudo convention
(see below) the rest of your first command line example worked like a
charm... THANKS!

Installing with the expert mode allowed me to create the root account.
(and even permitted that I can wait till later to start creating user
accounts...  {WOW! for the first time ever with linux I'm going to have
/etc/skel configured MY way with a few cherished tools (such as mc with
all the right configuration choices in place) BEFORE I start creating
the daily use accounts }) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Oh, happy, happy, joy, joy!


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From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu  Mon Dec 12 20:53:16 2005
From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:53:16 -0500
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439DD78B.4010209@nordita.dk>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>	<439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>
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Tobias Heinemann wrote:
>> Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu
>> packages (acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem.
>> nppdf.so are of course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.
> 
> Are there *any* plugins listed under about:plugins ?
Yes, nullplugin, helix, swf, java --- all were all loaded.

Adding libXt.so to the system seems to have fixed the problem though,
package libxt6-dev. Why didn't I run into this problem with earlier
Breezy installs is beyond me...

Sarunas
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From mroman at derrama.org.pe  Mon Dec 12 21:26:01 2005
From: mroman at derrama.org.pe (Mroman)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:26:01 -0500
Subject: unsuscribe
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	<dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org><439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <01b801c5ff62$a67f0fb0$1e0a0a0a@comunicaciones>

unsuscribe
Atentamente




From radsky at ncia.net  Mon Dec 12 21:39:54 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:39:54 -0500
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <23966.213.237.42.134.1134410420.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
	<23966.213.237.42.134.1134410420.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <439DEE2A.6090303@ncia.net>

Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:
>>I used to run Lycoris on an older computer and recall a desktop
>>background that was a snowy sunny winter scene in a white birch forest,
>>something I'd like to have on a ubuntu desktop. I've made an intensive
>>search on the web for this photo but can't find it anywhere. Perhaps
>>someone here might recall the scene if they used the old Lycoris.
>>
>>This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
>>still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
>>scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
>>possible and how might it be done?
> 
> Nearly too small "problem" to bother other people but now I have read your
> mail - here are some beautifull winter-wallpapers:
> http://images.google.dk/images?q=%22desktop+wallpaper%22+winter&svnum=10&hl=da&hs=OuB&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:da-DK:unofficial&start=120&sa=N
> 
> or
> 
> http://images.google.dk/images?svnum=10&hs=S1B&hl=da&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Ada-DK%3Aunofficial&q=%22birch+forest%22+winter&btnG=S%C3%B8g
> 
> 
> Phillip
> 
Nope...none of these photos come close to the one that was in Lycoris.
I've searched many of such websites but none have it.

I was hoping there's some way of getting it from the Lycoris 
installation CD and using it in ubuntu but I'm not sure about the
legality of such action.   Lycoris doesn't install on my computer
because it is too old, Lycoris, I mean.  All I want is the photo.
alex




From hometoast at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 22:20:28 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:20:28 -0500
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <439DEE2A.6090303@ncia.net>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
	<23966.213.237.42.134.1134410420.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<439DEE2A.6090303@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512121420m562d1c25h720d9f9b16700976@mail.gmail.com>

you own the lycoris install cd?  If so, then copy the file and use it.  I'd
only worry if you were to redistribute the image.

On 12/12/05, alex <radsky at ncia.net> wrote:
>
> Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:
> >>I used to run Lycoris on an older computer and recall a desktop
> >>background that was a snowy sunny winter scene in a white birch forest,
> >>something I'd like to have on a ubuntu desktop. I've made an intensive
> >>search on the web for this photo but can't find it anywhere. Perhaps
> >>someone here might recall the scene if they used the old Lycoris.
> >>
> >>This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
> >>still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
> >>scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
> >>possible and how might it be done?
> >
> > Nearly too small "problem" to bother other people but now I have read
> your
> > mail - here are some beautifull winter-wallpapers:
> >
> http://images.google.dk/images?q=%22desktop+wallpaper%22+winter&svnum=10&hl=da&hs=OuB&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:da-DK:unofficial&start=120&sa=N
> >
> > or
> >
> >
> http://images.google.dk/images?svnum=10&hs=S1B&hl=da&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Ada-DK%3Aunofficial&q=%22birch+forest%22+winter&btnG=S%C3%B8g
> >
> >
> > Phillip
> >
> Nope...none of these photos come close to the one that was in Lycoris.
> I've searched many of such websites but none have it.
>
> I was hoping there's some way of getting it from the Lycoris
> installation CD and using it in ubuntu but I'm not sure about the
> legality of such action.   Lycoris doesn't install on my computer
> because it is too old, Lycoris, I mean.  All I want is the photo.
> alex
>
>
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From nitram.ericsson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 22:32:24 2005
From: nitram.ericsson at gmail.com (Martin Ericsson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:32:24 +0100
Subject: setting up a wireless network
Message-ID: <439DFA78.7040208@gmail.com>


Hi!
I have a desktop computer but will get a new laptop soon, so I want to 
set up a local wireless network. My desktop makes a lot of noise, so I 
figure I'll buy a router. But I don't really know what you can do with a 
router.

This is what I want:
1. share the one static IP I get from my internet provider so I can 
access internet from both computers.

2. being able to access (at least) my desktop computer from the internet 
so I can use it as a ssh/webb/whatever-server.

3. share a folder on my desktop computer with the laptop (via nfs?)

4. connect between the computers via ssh. I want the (local) 
IP-addresses to be constant so I don't have to find out what the current 
IP-addres for e.g. laptop is if i want to access it from the desktop.

Can I achieve this with a standard linksys wireless router?

Martin Ericsson





From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 12 22:33:37 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:33:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org><438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>
	<6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26950.213.237.42.134.1134426817.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

Hi Ubuntu's

I have replaced 5 PC that had Windows with Ubuntu and 22 that were
scrapped due to the extreme hardware demand that made windowsXP crawl.
These PCs are about to be send to low-tech areas in Kunming, China. I have
asked for transportation money from Canonical who do not even answer my
snail-mails nor Emails :-(.
Finely I try to replace another 8 PCs with Ubuntu in a graphic company,
but at least 5 of these have to include a VMWARE with window$ to make use
of a windows RIP-server system
If they acount in your "statistics" I do not know.

No really practical support when you are not novice anymore, but I like to
say thanks for the really nice OS Ubuntu is !:-))

Regards

Phillip

P.S. Finaly one with a non-working dual-boot.

All above works except the one PC with two seperate harddisks - one with
Ubuntu and one with Windows XP. It may close the whole Linux-project of
the graphic company so they now consider to return to windows - and that
is bad luck!

Nobody on any Linux-lists seems to handle that dual-boot using GRUB:

>From the mail:
Re: GRUB > and GRUB-install - that no-one could not help further:

Thanks for your reply!
>
>>From what I understand you installed each OS on its own hard drive.
That is right!

> wellmt Wrote:
...>
>> 1. Setup Windows on your primary hard drive as normal (if not already
>> done)
 I did that.

>> 2. Take out the Windows hard drive and set it as slave using jumpers
>> and put back in to PC
I tried that - but after setting Windows as slave - the windows-drive
cannot even get mounted.

>
>> 3. Set your other drive to primary using Jumpers. Put into PC and
>> install Ubuntu on it. Install GRUB as normal to the MBR of the linux
>> drive.
It is a Sata drive, so I cannot set the jumber as something else.

>
>> 4. Ubuntu will detect your Windows drive and add it to the boot menu -
Yes it did.

>> but the menu entry won't work as Windows expects to be the primary
>> drive. It's easy to fix through, all you do is change the grub menu
>> entry for windows.
>
As you see - that is what I tried.

I think my basic problem is I cannot connect to the windows-drive
/dev/hda1 with or without the Ubuntu drive present:
After installing GRUB I cannot even boot the Windows-drive leaving the
"error message" GRUB

Can I put in a bootloader in the windows drive so I can startup the windows?
Can I delete the /dev/hda1 MBR area so only the /dev/sda1 MBR is used and
boot both drives?



>> $sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
Any changes here that point to the windows-drive leaves the same freeze
with the error message:
GRUB

I'll appreceate further suggestions!

Best regards

Phillip






From steven at heimann.com.au  Mon Dec 12 22:39:27 2005
From: steven at heimann.com.au (Steven Heimann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:39:27 +1100
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.12.12.07.38.21.790906@xs4all.nl>
References: <1134360175.8499.50.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
	<pan.2005.12.12.07.38.21.790906@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1134427167.8499.62.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>

Thanks for the advice Henk but I am still not having any luck.

I have removed hpoj and installed hplip.
I have obtained the following uri for the pinter :
hp:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196
I note that the printer installation insists on putting ipp:// in front
of this but that would seem to be correct.  I thought the printer
diriver would be hplip but hpijs is the only available driver.  (Is this
the problem or does this driver somehow interact with hplip?)

I get the following status message for the printer when I try to send
print a test print job.  :  Printing: Unable to lookup host 'hp' -
Unknown host


For scanning I get the following uri :
hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196

When I try scanimage --help -d
hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196 I get the message
scanimage: open of device
hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196 failed: Error during
device I/O

I have tried restarting hplip & cupsys with no avail.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Thank you 
Steven


On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 08:38 +0100, Henk Koster wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:02:55 +1100, Steven Heimann wrote:
> 
> > I have upgraded to 5.10 which seems to default to hplip for hp printers
> > and scanners.
> > 
> > I have a network attached Officejet 7210.
> > 
> > I can't seem to fathom how to get hplip to work with a network attached
> > printer/scanner so have reverted to hpoj.  However, hpoj seems now to be
> > very unreliable for scanning with many time outs / failure to connects
> > etc.
> > 
> > Does hplip work with a network attached device and has anyone found any
> > instructions on how to get it working?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Steven
> 
> This is how I got my HP DeskJet 5850 with IP 10.0.0.160 working:
> 
> 1. Run as user the command "hp-makeuri 10.0.0.160", resulting in the 
> output: "hp:/net/deskjet_5800?ip=10.0.0.160" (note the single slash).
> 
> 2. Now install the printer, using System/Administration/Printing menu, as
> a CUPS (IPP) printer with this URI, accepting the proposed driver from the
> HPLIP brand.
> 
> You would have to use your own printer network address.
> 
> -- 
> H.A.J. Koster
> "Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
> (attributed to L.J. Savage)
> 
> 
> 
> 




From robert_spencer at mighty.co.za  Mon Dec 12 22:44:16 2005
From: robert_spencer at mighty.co.za (roach)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:44:16 +0200
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <200512130044.16977.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>

On Monday 12 December 2005 19:17, alex wrote:
<...>
> This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
> still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
> scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
> possible and how might it be done?

http://www.linuxos.sk/index2.php?id=wallpapers4

http://www.linuxos.sk/downloads/wallpapers/winter trees.jpg

On my Lycoris CD it's in:

/media/cd/rl/install/RPMS/kdeconfig-1.2-138rl.noarch.rpm

To get it out:

alien -t kdeconfig-1.2-138rl.noarch.rpm

It's at:

/opt/kde2/share/wallpapers/winter trees.jpg

Images normally inherent the permissions of their package, unless stated 
otherwise. I've found no such statement - enjoy. :-)

Now if only I could find a copy of Knoppix 3.1's wallpaper. :-(

All the best.

-- 
Robert "roach" Spencer
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa



From vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr  Mon Dec 12 23:15:38 2005
From: vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr (voger)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:15:38 +0200
Subject: Amarok, games and Nvidia TNT 64 legacy driver
Message-ID: <439E049A.1030009@yahoo.gr>

After i found some time to mess with my system, i finaly managed to 
install NVIDIA's legacy drivers for my Riva TNT 64  card.
I did that mostly because i wanted to play games on linux, and these 
games kept complaining about open gl drivers not beeing found etc.
Now after the successful installation (i know that because i can see the 
NVIDIA logo before my kde start) the games exit with lines like

./glest: line 89:  8756 Segmentation fault      ./$GAME_BINARY $CMD_ARGS 
"$@"

or xmms exits with segmentation fault and finaly amarok if run from 
command line says:

amaroK: [Loader] Starting amarokapp..
amaroK: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use 
amarokapp.
amaroK: [Loader] amarokapp probably crashed!

That happened right after i installed the NVIDIA legacy drivers for 
2.6.12-10-686

In my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file i have disabled the glx  and dri  modules.

How can i keep the driver and eliminate these problems? I had the same 
exact problem with fedora core 4 also, but back then i thought that
fedora was a buggy release. But now i am sure that there is something 
with NVIDIA's driver.  
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From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 12 23:25:34 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:25:34 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <26950.213.237.42.134.1134426817.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><438F00AE.2020705@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org><438F02E0.1070705@melbpc.org.au>	<6ba862b70512010630s76f084fau3aa2d12ac8ab2787@mail.gmail.com>
	<26950.213.237.42.134.1134426817.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <439E06EE.7080606@nordita.dk>

 >> 2. Take out the Windows hard drive and set it as slave using jumpers
 >> and put back in to PC

What would be the reason for doing this?

 >> 3. Set your other drive to primary using Jumpers. Put into PC and
 >> install Ubuntu on it. Install GRUB as normal to the MBR of the linux
 >> drive.

Just leave the Windows drive as master and install Ubuntu onto the slave
drive, while installing GRUB itself into the MBR of the Windows master
drive.

Tobi



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Mon Dec 12 23:38:14 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:38:14 +1300
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>
	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk> <439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>
	<439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>
Message-ID: <1134430694.8422.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 12:56 -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> >> acroread-plugins from the universe repository, which you might need to
> > 
> > Sorry, that should read:
> > 
> >> acroread-plugins from the multiverse repository, which you might need to
> Yes, I know...
> 
> Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu packages
> (acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem. nppdf.so are of
> course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.

The plugin lives under /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins (there is a
directory /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, which some packages install plugins
into, but that seems to be ignored by firefox).  In my case, with flash,
java, totem and acroread plugins installed, I have:
$ ls -l usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
total 2088
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root     856 2005-12-13 08:26 flashplayer.xpt
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 2096844 2005-12-13 08:26 libflashplayer.so
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      39 2005-12-13 08:05 libjavaplugin.so
-> /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   24824 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.so
-rw-r--r--  1 root root     168 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      50 2005-12-13 12:05 nppdf.so
-> ../../Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so


I have the following acroread packages installed:
tim at marvin:~$ dpkg -l | grep acroread
acroread         7.0.1-0.0.ubuntu1
                  Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Form
acroread-plugins   7.0.1-0.0.ubuntu1
                  Plugins for Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader
mozilla-acroread   7.0.1-0.0.ubuntu1
                  Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for mozilla /

> 
> I can reinstall the system from scratch, but it would be rally useful to
>  find out what causes this problem. No luck so far.
> 





From repehe at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 12 23:41:25 2005
From: repehe at yahoo.com (Renato Henriques)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:41:25 -0300 (ART)
Subject: PPPoE
Message-ID: <20051212234125.66584.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com>

I can only check configurations for ethernet cable or ppp dial up. What
if I have in hands a DSL connection?  Is it under my nose or what?

Input needed and appreciated

 Renato Henriques 
repehe at yahoo.com 
 
aim:renatoaim 
 
msn:renato4010591 at hotmail.com




	



	
		
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From niran at niran.org  Mon Dec 12 23:47:56 2005
From: niran at niran.org (Niran Babalola)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:47:56 -0800
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4fb1ba800512121547i446a8c0cg941f505e16a2784a@mail.gmail.com>

Smart folders will apparently be in the next version of Nautilus.
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/alexl/2005/12/07/0

On 12/10/05, Matt Price <matt.price at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> hey folks,
>
>  some time ago there was an ambitious gnome project called storage:
> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html
>
> it seems to have died, far as I can tell.  Beagle is the nearest thing
> we've got, I guess, though KDE is working on this thing called tenor,
> for kde 4:
> http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Tenor
>
> anyway, I love beagle, am just getting used to its awesome power, but
> I would like to have slightly more robust interfaces e.g. "smart
> folders" à la MacOS, with beagle-derived search results updated every
> time you open the "folder"  (so it's not really a folder, but an alias
> for a command I guess.
>
> Has anyone implemented anything of this sort?  and/or, does anyone
> know whether "storage" still exists in development somewhere?
>
> THanks much,
>
> Matt
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Matt Price          matt.price at utoronto.ca
> History Department, University of Toronto
> (416) 978-2094
> --------------------------------------------
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
Niran Babalola
http://niran.org



From david at kenpro.com.au  Mon Dec 12 23:58:05 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:58:05 +1100
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121408130.2970@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
	<439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121408130.2970@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051212235804.GB954@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 03:18:17PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> 
> Yeah well maybe debian has gotten easier to initially set up since I read
> about it some time ago. I'd heard that it had a GREAT package management
> system, but that the learning curve to get it initially off the ground
> was rather steep... (didn't have time then, don't have time now) Perhaps
> I'd heard wrong?

First: Debian install has improved greatly, but is not as simple as Ubuntu 
or Mandrake etc.

Second: Debian package management is the BEST... my opinion, and i'm 
sticking to it. Ubuntu uses Debian, so Ubuntu is also the best.

Third: all distros tend to have strengths and weaknesses. Ubuntu has less 
weaknesses than most, so I use it. sudo/root is just a peculiarity that is 
pretty easy to live with, and easy to bypass if you feel strongly about 
it. Simply do <sudo passwd root> and off you go. What's the problem?

Fourth:  I've suggested here previously that there should be a comment 
during the install about root passwords, but the gods of ubuntu have not 
taken note.

Fifth: if you want to do your own thing, do a "server" install, activate 
root, then build your own system using Ubuntu facilities. That's exactly 
what I do with my servers.

Sixth: For some one who doesn't have time, you have a lot of time to write 
emails. I could have done 3 installs in the time it would have taken to 
type your emails ;------)))

Seventh: I can only count to six



From amandel at dfg.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 23:59:02 2005
From: amandel at dfg.ca.gov (Alex Mandel)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:59:02 -0800
Subject: setting up a wireless network
In-Reply-To: <439DFA78.7040208@gmail.com>
References: <439DFA78.7040208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dnl2pm$i4k$1@sea.gmane.org>

Yes

Martin Ericsson wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have a desktop computer but will get a new laptop soon, so I want to 
> set up a local wireless network. My desktop makes a lot of noise, so I 
> figure I'll buy a router. But I don't really know what you can do with a 
> router.
> 
> This is what I want:
> 1. share the one static IP I get from my internet provider so I can 
> access internet from both computers.
> 
> 2. being able to access (at least) my desktop computer from the internet 
> so I can use it as a ssh/webb/whatever-server.
> 
> 3. share a folder on my desktop computer with the laptop (via nfs?)
> 
> 4. connect between the computers via ssh. I want the (local) 
> IP-addresses to be constant so I don't have to find out what the current 
> IP-addres for e.g. laptop is if i want to access it from the desktop.
> 
> Can I achieve this with a standard linksys wireless router?
> 
> Martin Ericsson
> 
> 
> 




From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 13 00:05:04 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:05:04 +1100
Subject: setting up a wireless network
In-Reply-To: <439DFA78.7040208@gmail.com>
References: <439DFA78.7040208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051213000502.GC954@mail.kenpro.com.au>

Haven't used lynksys, but it sounds pretty standard. My Netgear ones do 
all that.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:32:24PM +0100, Martin Ericsson wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have a desktop computer but will get a new laptop soon, so I want to 
> set up a local wireless network. My desktop makes a lot of noise, so I 
> figure I'll buy a router. But I don't really know what you can do with a 
> router.
> 
> This is what I want:
> 1. share the one static IP I get from my internet provider so I can 
> access internet from both computers.
> 
> 2. being able to access (at least) my desktop computer from the internet 
> so I can use it as a ssh/webb/whatever-server.
> 
> 3. share a folder on my desktop computer with the laptop (via nfs?)
> 
> 4. connect between the computers via ssh. I want the (local) 
> IP-addresses to be constant so I don't have to find out what the current 
> IP-addres for e.g. laptop is if i want to access it from the desktop.
> 
> Can I achieve this with a standard linksys wireless router?
> 
> Martin Ericsson
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

-- 
David McQuire




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 00:14:42 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:42 -0500
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight
 commander]
In-Reply-To: <439DD8BB.6060702@nordita.dk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
	<439DD8BB.6060702@nordita.dk>
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It would appear that on Dec 12, Tobias Heinemann did say:

> Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto. mc is in
> the universe repository. After you enabled that, you can simply do
> 
>   sudo apt-get install mc
> 
> and you'll be fine.

Thank you Tobias, I looked at that. though I must say I've always had
difficulty with the allegedly easier gui tool set...

But thankfully it wasn't necessary to do it that way. 

I had tried to enable everything during the "expert" mode install I was
using to get a little more control of the process where there is a step
to configure apt-get. I had some errors that were I think do to a
mistake I made during the network config step... After I resolved that
error, I used apt-setup from the command line and it seamed to
automatically set me up. Then "apt-get install mc" failed...
Which is when I started this thread.

But it wasn't that I needed to add the repositories, it was a simple
little thing that I have to chalk up to my being a complete idiot!

Apt-get under Ubuntu sets it self up much easier than yum did for
redhat's fedora, but BOTH of then need to have their sources updated.

A step that's featured quite prominently in the docs. But I forgot to do
it. <sigh>

Anyway, All I needed to do was an "apt-get update" Then it was child's
play to install mc with "apt-get install mc"

Now thats a done deal... 

Thanks again!
		Joe

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From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec 13 00:25:01 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:25:01 +1300
Subject: ssh banner
In-Reply-To: <34b425c50512120741w4630424aj92fa7ca0d9ec0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134359111.5273.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<34b425c50512120741w4630424aj92fa7ca0d9ec0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134433501.8422.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 15:41 +0000, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> Right. Thanks for this. Maybe my question was not so clear. :-)
> (I mean your explanation was very clear and useful too.)
> 
> What I wanted to do is to display an "animated" banner generated by
> figlet such that the banner displays a letter with some delay. In this
> way, a user could see a letter one by one up untill the last letter.
> It could be better if I could put some colours on the letters.
> 
> Would this be still possible?

It depends on whether you just want the message to be displayed to ssh
users, or are prepared to have it displayed to every user on the system.
There are two sets of files that are processed by a login activity:
* static files that are displayed (/etc/motd, /etc/issue, etc)
* scripts that are run (.bashrc, .bash_profile, /etc/profile, etc)


To animate something, you need to add the script that performs your
animation to a script that is run on login.  This means including it
in /etc/profile (since that is the only global script that is called
during the login process.  But /etc/profile is accessed for *ALL*
non-graphical logins, not just by ssh.  This means that you will get the
same message displayed when you log in to tty1-tty6.


I don't use figlet myself, so can't comment on getting coloured display.


Tim





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 00:52:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:52:56 -0500
Subject: audacity I/O error
References: <20051029150157.GA814@teddy.fas.com>
	<20051029212200.GB9321@fungus.sh.nu>
	<4ebees.1xxa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <FierceDeity.1zyehy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ok, i had a similar issue, first of all close all programs that might
possibley be using the sound card you want audacity to read (mine was
dev/dsp1) then just to make sure you got them all open up terminal and
type in "killall esd" this should end all processes that are using that
sound card, then boot up audacity and check i guess >_>



good luck!


-- 
FierceDeity



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 01:01:42 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:01:42 -0500
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight
 commander]
In-Reply-To: <03f401c5ff56$d3070490$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain>
	<03f401c5ff56$d3070490$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
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It would appear that on Dec 12, Hodgins Family did say:

> 
> Good afternoon!
> 
> > Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight commander]
> 
> Head for http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/allpackages
> 
> wherein there is a line that sez:
> 
> 
> mc (1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre4-2) [universe]
> midnight commander - a powerful file manager
> 
> If you can't get the package any other "conventional" way, try clicking on mc:
> gets you here http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/mc
> 
> There's Download MC box at the bottom of the page that'll let you download the
> deb

Thanks rob. But now I feel like an idiot... turns out my problem was
forgetting to do the simple step of doing an "apt-get update" first...

ahDuh!

On the other hand since you so kindly pointed me at the allpackages link
above, I quickly bookmarked it and spent some time looking for what I
think is the last of my "simply must have" cherished console
applications... and while I can find:

pgp4pine (1.76-1) [multiverse]
    A PGP/GPG Wrapper for Pine

I can't see where it lists a package for pine itself...

I know I probably ought to ask in a new thread but I figured I'm on a
roll here so what the heck.

Would you care to pull another rabbit out of your hat and tell me where
they get the pine they intend to wrap with pgp4pine????

Probably if I spend enough time with:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html

I'll find a way to as apt-get to look inside packages and tell me which
one does that. (if one does that) you don't suppose they want me to
figure out a source install from the University of Washington?

Hmmnn perhaps this is closer:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/linux.html

says (in part):

- -> Debian .deb package built on Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
- -> pine_4.64_i386.deb package    MD5: 4cdc6c60dbe8e47829189194b8cbd99a 
- -> 
- -> 
- -> Installing .debs
- -> 
- -> To install the .deb package, the following command should suffice:
- -> 
- -> dpkg -i pine_4.64_i386.deb
- -> 
- -> Uninstalling the package can be done by running the command
- -> dpkg -r pine

I wonder if this would be a safe way to add pine to ubuntu???

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From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Tue Dec 13 01:06:06 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:06:06 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <4fb1ba800512121547i446a8c0cg941f505e16a2784a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
	<4fb1ba800512121547i446a8c0cg941f505e16a2784a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051213010606.GC29653@utoronto.ca>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 03:47:56PM -0800, Niran Babalola wrote:
> Smart folders will apparently be in the next version of Nautilus.
> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/alexl/2005/12/07/0

wicked, thanks,
matt

-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 01:37:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:37:43 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Emmanuele Salvati Wrote: 
> hi,

> i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
> for 3

> reasons:

> --no linux driver for airport express (yet)

> --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)

> --no afs working on linuxppc

> 

> otherwise... i would just use ubuntu.

> 

> ciao

> 

> 2005/12/1, James Tappin <sjt (AT) star (DOT) sr.bham.ac.uk>:

> >

> > Very indirectly: Win 95 was completely replaced with RH4.2 on an
> earlier

> > incarnation, then RH by various versions of SuSE, then Debian Woody
> &

> > Sid before Ubuntu.

> >

> > On my laptop I've still got OSX, but hardly every use it (I would
> need

> > it to reconfigure my Airport Base Station, but not for much else).

> >

> > James

> >

> > --

> > +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+

> > | James Tappin           | School of Physics & Astronomy |  O__    |

> > | sjt (AT) star (DOT) sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      |
> --  \/` |

> > | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722                  |         |

> > +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+

> >

> > --

> > ubuntu-users mailing list

> > ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

> >

> 

> 

> 

> --

> un abbraccio,

> emmanuele

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



I got an eMac G4, so I never had Windoze in first place. As for
replacing OS X, I don't feel it as a necesity to dump it out. It's
quite confortable and neither it nor its apps are M$ branded and I
don't have M$ apps installed in it. And it works well for me. I do have
ubuntu though (Xubuntu), for those times when I want to really do
hardcore tinkering.


-- 
Ptero-4



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec 13 01:51:20 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:51:20 -0700
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc???
	[midnight commander]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain><03f401c5ff56$d3070490$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121813110.2619@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001001c5ff87$b72c9fb0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Hey Joe!

> It would appear that on Dec 12, Hodgins Family did say:
>
>>
>> Good afternoon!

Yes, I did!

> On the other hand since you so kindly pointed me at the allpackages link
> above, I quickly bookmarked it and spent some time looking for what I
> think is the last of my "simply must have" cherished console
> applications... and while I can find:
>
> pgp4pine (1.76-1) [multiverse]
>    A PGP/GPG Wrapper for Pine
>
> I can't see where it lists a package for pine itself...

A google for Ubuntu and pine revealed this page: 
http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20050121_22.html where 
it says the following:
 "Eric Dunbar asked is Pine was available in any version of Ubuntu. 
Unfortunately, the answer is no because Pine is not free or open source and 
Ubuntu cannot support it. "

> I know I probably ought to ask in a new thread but I figured I'm on a
> roll here so what the heck.
> Would you care to pull another rabbit out of your hat and tell me where
> they get the pine they intend to wrap with pgp4pine????

Seems like me hat has no pine rabbits, sorry!

> Probably if I spend enough time with:
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
>
> I'll find a way to as apt-get to look inside packages and tell me which
> one does that. (if one does that) you don't suppose they want me to
> figure out a source install from the University of Washington?
>
> Hmmnn perhaps this is closer:
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/linux.html
>
> says (in part):
>
> - -> Debian .deb package built on Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
> - -> pine_4.64_i386.deb package    MD5: 4cdc6c60dbe8e47829189194b8cbd99a
> - ->
> - ->
> - -> Installing .debs
> - ->
> - -> To install the .deb package, the following command should suffice:
> - ->
> - -> dpkg -i pine_4.64_i386.deb
> - ->
> - -> Uninstalling the package can be done by running the command
> - -> dpkg -r pine
>
> I wonder if this would be a safe way to add pine to ubuntu???

Generally, attempts to cross-hybridize Debian and Ubuntu carry a caveat!---  
be vewy cawefuw!

Could give it a shot just to see what happens OR whip over to here:
http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingUbuntuTOC
and look for the line that says  "Compiling the Current version of Pine"

Might work OK if you compile from a tar file.

Good luck

Rob 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 01:47:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:47:54 -0500
Subject: Evolution spam filtering not working
References: <1133913711.7153.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050268.10473.2.camel@PC1428.igd.fhg.de>
Message-ID: <samiaji.1zyh9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi Guys 

Look at this



http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99603&highlight=evolution



Probably could help you



Samiaji


-- 
samiaji



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 13 02:26:08 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:26:08 +0900
Subject: Scilab working for anyone?
Message-ID: <1134440768.8447.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I've tried getting a functional scilab installation, but am failing
miserably so far. The package in multiverse gives me a terminal with an
unreadable (tamil?) font and I can't find a way to change it (all google
throws up are people with the same issue and no answers). Trying to
compile 3.1.1 stops with the config script unable to find X /which is
patently wrong; I have the development files needed and other stuff
using X libs compile fine).

Anyone have an idea?


-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Tue Dec 13 02:32:02 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:32:02 +0000
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <20051212181351.GA29653@utoronto.ca>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
	<20051211001052.GD13006@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<20051212181351.GA29653@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20051213023202.GA9571@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 01:13:51PM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> 
> that's my understanding too.  The best search client for beagle
> updates search resultsi n real time.  What I'd like is a way to access
> common searches in a persistent way -- in effect like having a script
> that launches best with a particular query, but from the interface
> point of view it would be cool if the search results could look like
> filesi n a folder.  I don't see that this is incompatible in principle
> with beagle, but I also don't know enough aboutthe inner workings
> thereof to be sure.  

Ahh... I see what you mean now.  Yes, a folder view of searches would be
cool.
 
> > As much as I love Beagle I've had to disable it for the time being.
> > I've had problems with the index that Beagle creates growing too much,
> > and worse, Mono (on which Beagle depends) has been grabbing memory (like
> > a memory leak).
> 
> ... not related to not having xattr enabled in fstab, is this?  I find
> beagle to be working pretty well at the moment...

If that's user_xattr then no, I have it enabled on the volumes that
Beagle was searching.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 02:37:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:37:27 -0500
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
References: <000001c5ffa6$ee718c00$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


First, which website is it?
Second, if it's not a very popular website, do a google search to know
about the legal aspects.
Third, post your results here.


-- 
anil_robo



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 03:01:37 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:01:37 -0500
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051212235804.GB954@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
	<439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121408130.2970@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051212235804.GB954@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, David did say:

> First: Debian install has improved greatly, but is not as simple as Ubuntu 
> or Mandrake etc.

Good to know!

> Second: Debian package management is the BEST... my opinion, and i'm 
> sticking to it. Ubuntu uses Debian, so Ubuntu is also the best.
 
Even better (since I did choose ubuntu, err make that the kubuntu
version) which according to http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php, " it is an
official part of Ubuntu. All our packages are in the same archives." And
further says about getting help... "For questions not related to KDE in
Ubuntu (such as hardware problems) you are better asking on general
Ubuntu lists" So I guess ubuntu-users is stuck with me... {lucky them <grin>}
 
> Third: all distros tend to have strengths and weaknesses. Ubuntu has less 
> weaknesses than most, so I use it. sudo/root is just a peculiarity that is 
> pretty easy to live with, and easy to bypass if you feel strongly about 
> it. Simply do <sudo passwd root> and off you go. What's the problem?

Actually it didn't take that long to find out from this thread that since
I DO, as you say, "feel strongly about it" I could fix it. The biggest
problem was that it felt like those who feel just as strongly the other
way were getting offended because I knew I didn't want to use sudo
before I read all the arguments for it. ( I never said I wouldn't read
the arguments. It's just that at least for now, I wasn't taking my closed
system there.)

> Fourth:  I've suggested here previously that there should be a comment 
> during the install about root passwords, but the gods of ubuntu have not 
> taken note.

Do gods EVER listen???

> Fifth: if you want to do your own thing, do a "server" install, activate 
> root, then build your own system using Ubuntu facilities. That's exactly 
> what I do with my servers.

nah, a kubuntu expert install with a root login, run level three start
up, And a few cherished console tools is as far as I'll have to go to do
my own thing with it. <grin>

> Sixth: For some one who doesn't have time, you have a lot of time to write 
> emails. I could have done 3 installs in the time it would have taken to 
> type your emails ;------)))

3 familiar installs where I didn't need to find out anything new I too
could have done. (probably in only the time it took for my pc to
transmit all that text...) Well maybe that's stretching it a little...

But I can't help it, I really don't think in pictures so my brain has to
process the proverbial thousand word equivalent to complete each
thought... No wonder I'm so wordy! Which reminds me of something I came
up with because some smuck was dumb enough to ask me why I put
(theWordy) in my "Name" on emails... <see below for a chuckle if you
like...>

> Seventh: I can only count to six

That's why I use a calculator...

See ya around...

	Joe


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Upon being asked (once) "Why, theWordy ?" I quickly replied with this
 
Obviously you have never seen me in action... Though I have to admit that
with Electronic messages it's only sometimes that I prove my wordyness...
But that's because the backspace/delete keys work better on the keyboard
than they do with my mouth... None the less... If I have the time and a
subject sparks my real interest I have been known to cause more than one
reader to remember what the delete key was for...<g>
 
Actually I was looking for something nifty to use as a handle when...

Jenn (My daughter) took some fabric paints and a bright yellow pocket
T-shirt and made me a present that said in glow in the dark colors...
 
   " HELP I'M TALKING AND I CAN'T SHUT-UP! "
 
Well everyone who saw the shirt that could stop laughing long enough to say
anything said "It's you Joe, it's you!" Who am I to argue...

-- 
|  ^   ^
|  0   0	   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|    ^			J(tWdy)P
|  \___/	     <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>
 





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 03:20:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:20:57 -0500
Subject: Scilab working for anyone?
References: <1134440768.8447.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <amohanty.1zylwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Can you post the output of ./configure? Its possible that its just
looking for the headers in the wrong place and all you might need to do
is create a smbolic link to the right place or edit the configure
script.


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 03:36:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:36:38 -0500
Subject: Scilab working for anyone?
References: <1134440768.8447.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <jason.1zylwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Jan Moren Wrote: 
> I've tried getting a functional scilab installation, but am failing

> miserably so far. The package in multiverse gives me a terminal with
> an

> unreadable (tamil?) font and I can't find a way to change it (all
> google

> throws up are people with the same issue and no answers). Trying to

> compile 3.1.1 stops with the config script unable to find X /which is

> patently wrong; I have the development files needed and other stuff

> using X libs compile fine).

> 

> Anyone have an idea?

> 

> 

> -- 

> Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              

> Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren (AT) lucs (DOT) lu.se

> Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren

> 

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Use the binary version they have on their site.  I was getting those
weird font errors too, but the binary version on the official site
works fine.


-- 
_jason



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 03:40:47 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:40:47 -0500
Subject: Where in the (universe?) is a package containing mc??? [midnight
 commander]
In-Reply-To: <001001c5ff87$b72c9fb0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121426290.2970@localhost.localdomain><03f401c5ff56$d3070490$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121813110.2619@localhost.localdomain>
	<001001c5ff87$b72c9fb0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512122224520.2837@localhost.localdomain>

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It would appear that on Dec 12, Hodgins Family did say:

> A google for Ubuntu and pine revealed this page:
> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20050121_22.html where it
> says the following:
> "Eric Dunbar asked is Pine was available in any version of Ubuntu.
> Unfortunately, the answer is no because Pine is not free or open source and
> Ubuntu cannot support it. "

Sigh, yet it's free as in beer to use... But this isn't really a
surprise... to get a version of pine that was good with Fedora I had to
add a third party repository to yum.conf... for similar reasons.

> Generally, attempts to cross-hybridize Debian and Ubuntu carry a caveat!---
> be vewy cawefuw!
> 
> Could give it a shot just to see what happens OR whip over to here:
> http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingUbuntuTOC
> and look for the line that says  "Compiling the Current version of Pine"
> 
> Might work OK if you compile from a tar file.

Well methinks that either way, I might better fire up fedora, mount my
kubuntu partition and my 15 gig tmp work space partition, then  make a
tar back up of it prior to trying either of the above...

But actually with such concise instructions (provided that they are
accurate) I too think the U wash tarball is probably the safer way to
go...

Thanks...

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From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 13 04:02:47 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:02:47 +0900
Subject: Scilab working for anyone?
In-Reply-To: <jason.1zylwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134440768.8447.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<jason.1zylwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134446567.8447.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

mån 2005-12-12 klockan 22:36 -0500 skrev 'Forum Post:
> Jan Moren Wrote: 
> > I've tried getting a functional scilab installation, but am failing
> > miserably so far. The package in multiverse gives me a terminal with
> > an unreadable (tamil?) font and I can't find a way to change it (all
> > google throws up are people with the same issue and no answers). Trying to
> > compile 3.1.1 stops with the config script unable to find X /which is
> > patently wrong; I have the development files needed and other stuff
> > using X libs compile fine).

> Use the binary version they have on their site.  I was getting those
> weird font errors too, but the binary version on the official site
> works fine.

That seems to work - thanks. Of course, the UI in the precompiled
version is very, very ugly, but I guess I'll have to hold off on the GTK
version until later.




-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 04:24:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:24:55 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca><20051211001052.GD13006@box.jynn.tonix.org><20051212181351.GA29653@utoronto.ca>
	<20051213023202.GA9571@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <poptones.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


"Searching" is the problem. It's a stupid idea for a machine which you
control. I cannot tell the folks at wired where to put their pages, but
I most certainly can do this on my own machine.

I've been working on a project that solves this from the ground up; it
works with legacy systems via "snooping" on selected folders and
squirreling things away as they appear. Files are stored in a fixed
heirarchy and their metadata stored in an easily accessed sqlite
database (of course it could be made "real" sql if needed).

In an image containing about 50,000 files I can "search" and (for
example) buuild an mp3 playlist or an image collection in the time it
takes to type the constraints and hit enter. Because the original paths
are also stored as metadata this also works just dandy with systme files
- for example, every debian package downloaded via synaptic gets
catalogued and then symbolically linked back into the "cache." This is
a zero maintenance way to build a local repository.

Right now it's all command line stuff. I was working on a python
interface but had a crash two days ago that cost me my desktop at the
time and it's taken me until now to get this machine back up. 

slocate has been a part of linux since about forever. It's stable,
fast, and mature - it's just stupid to redesign that functionality from
the ground up just so you can piggyback on the latest gee-whiz memory
gobbling design platform.


-- 
poptones



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 04:20:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:20:06 -0500
Subject: HP Colour Laserjet 2600n
References: <509d63b7050829235038bfdf3b@mail.gmail.com><ec39452e0508300527771f87f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b705083018194aa2bfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<IdoMcFly.1yuvcn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <lduperval.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I am also interested in this information. What kind of output are you
getting with the printer?

Thanks,

L


-- 
lduperval



From drolyk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 04:49:10 2005
From: drolyk at gmail.com (Makurin Roman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:49:10 +0300
Subject: Lirc troubles on dapper
Message-ID: <200512130749.19598.drolyk@gmail.com>

Hi All!

I can`t build lirc-modules again but now on dapper. I install 
linux-headers-2.6.15-6 and lirc-modules-source-0.7.1pre2
Then I do everything by the same way:

cd /usr/src
tar xzf lirc-modules.tar.gz
cd linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686
make-kpkg modules_image

but on last step compilation fails with error:

                               ARCH=i386 prepare
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
  CHK     include/linux/version.h
  SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
echo done >  stamp-kernel-configure
echo done >  stamp-configure
for module in /usr/src/modules/lirc ; do                       \
          if test -d  $module; then                                \
    (cd $module;                                          \
              if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.6.15-rc3-ubuntu1" 
KSRC="/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686" \
                             KMAINT="Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer" 
KEMAIL="unknown at unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf"      \
                             
KPKG_DEST_DIR="/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/.."       \
                             KPKG_MAINTAINER="Unknown Kernel Package 
Maintainer"        \
                             KPKG_EXTRAV_ARG=""        \
                             ARCH="i386"                  \
                             KDREV="10.00.Custom" kdist_image; then    \
                  echo "Module $module processed fine";            \
              else                                                  \
                   echo "Module $module failed.";                  \
                   if [ "X" != "X" ]; then      \
                      echo "Perhaps $module does not understand --rootcmd?";  
\
                      echo "If you see messages that indicate that it is not"; 
\
                      echo "in fact being built as root, please file a bug ";  
\
                      echo "against $module.";                     \
                   fi;                                              \
                   echo "Hit return to Continue";                   \
         read ans;                                        \
              fi;                                                   \
     );                                                    \
  else                                                      \
               echo "Module $module does not exist";               \
               echo "Hit return to Continue?";                      \
  fi;                                                       \
        done
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
sed -e "s!\$KVERS!2.6.15-rc3-ubuntu1!g; s!
\$KSRC!/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686!; s!\$KARCH!i386!; s!
\$KEMAIL!unknown at unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf!; s!\$KMAINT!Unknown 
Kernel Package Maintainer!; s!\$KDREV!10.00.Custom!; s!\$DEBDATE!Сбт, 03 Дек 
2005 19:58:45 +0300!" debian/control.in > debian/control
dh_testdir
# Add here commands to configure the package.
touch configure-stamp
dh_testdir
# Add here commands to compile the package.
/usr/bin/make debconf
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
mkdir modules
/usr/bin/make -e -C drivers SUBDIRS="lirc_dev"
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
Making all in lirc_dev
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev'
mv Makefile Makefile.automake
cp ../Makefile.kernel Makefile
/usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686 
SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev modules \
        KBUILD_VERBOSE=1
make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
mkdir -p /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.tmp_versions
/usr/bin/make -f scripts/Makefile.build 
obj=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev
  gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.lirc_dev.o.d  
-nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
-Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
-ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
-Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
-Wno-pointer-sign -DIRCTL_DEV_MAJOR=61 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. 
-I. -I../.. -I /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/../.. 
-I /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/include/  -DMODULE 
-DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_dev -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_dev -c 
-o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.tmp_lirc_dev.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
'lirc_register_plugin':
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:352: warning: implicit 
declaration of function 'class_simple_device_add'
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:383: warning: implicit 
declaration of function 'class_simple_device_remove'
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
'lirc_dev_init':
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:792: warning: implicit 
declaration of function 'class_simple_create'
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:792: warning: assignment 
makes pointer from integer without a cast
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
'cleanup_module':
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:832: warning: implicit 
declaration of function 'class_simple_destroy'
  Building modules, stage 2.
/usr/bin/make -rR 
-f /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/scripts/Makefile.modpost
  scripts/mod/modpost -m -a 
-i /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/Module.symvers /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.o
*** Warning: 
"class_simple_create" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
undefined!
*** Warning: 
"class_simple_device_remove" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
undefined!
*** Warning: 
"class_simple_destroy" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
undefined!
*** Warning: 
"class_simple_device_add" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
undefined!
  gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.lirc_dev.mod.o.d  
-nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
-Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
-ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
-Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
-Wno-pointer-sign    -DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_dev -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_dev 
-DMODULE -c 
-o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.c
  ld -m elf_i386 -m elf_i386 -r 
-o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.o
make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
mv Makefile.automake Makefile
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev'
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
make[4]: Цель `all-am' не требует выполнения команд.
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
mv drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko modules
/usr/bin/make -e -C drivers SUBDIRS="lirc_i2c"
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
Making all in lirc_i2c
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c'
mv Makefile Makefile.automake
cp ../Makefile.kernel Makefile
/usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686 
SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c modules \
        KBUILD_VERBOSE=1
make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
mkdir -p /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.tmp_versions
/usr/bin/make -f scripts/Makefile.build 
obj=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c
  gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.lirc_i2c.o.d  
-nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
-Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
-ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
-Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
-Wno-pointer-sign -DIRCTL_DEV_MAJOR=61 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. 
-I. -I../.. -I /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../.. 
-I /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/include/  -DMODULE 
-DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_i2c -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_i2c -c 
-o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.tmp_lirc_i2c.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c
In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
                 from include/linux/fs.h:12,
                 
from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
                 from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
include/linux/interrupt.h:31: error: conflicting types for 'irqreturn_t'
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:139: error: 
previous declaration of 'irqreturn_t' was here
In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
                 from include/linux/fs.h:12,
                 
from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
                 from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
include/linux/interrupt.h:33:1: warning: "IRQ_NONE" redefined
In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:140:1: warning: 
this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
                 from include/linux/fs.h:12,
                 
from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
                 from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
include/linux/interrupt.h:34:1: warning: "IRQ_HANDLED" redefined
In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:141:1: warning: 
this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
                 from include/linux/fs.h:12,
                 
from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
                 from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
include/linux/interrupt.h:35:1: warning: "IRQ_RETVAL" redefined
In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:142:1: warning: 
this is the location of the previous definition
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c: In function 'ir_attach':
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: 'I2C_ALGO_BIT' 
undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: (Each undeclared 
identifier is reported only once
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: for each 
function it appears in.)
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c: In function 'ir_probe':
/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:464: error: 'I2C_ALGO_BIT' 
undeclared (first use in this function)
make[6]: *** [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.o] Ошибка 1
make[5]: *** [_module_/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c] Ошибка 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
make[4]: *** [lirc_i2c.o] Ошибка 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Ошибка 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
make[2]: *** [i2c] Ошибка 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
make[1]: *** [build-stamp] Ошибка 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
Module /usr/src/modules/lirc failed.
Hit return to Continue


Does anybody know how can I solve this ?

Thanks
-- 
If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo,
  then Linux is Dolby Digital and all the music is free...
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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 05:01:47 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:01:47 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
References: <20051210231232.GA2090@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <439E55BB.5090203@cfl.rr.com>

Hah, what a coincidence.  I was just grumbling about how updatedb runs 
every day when I boot up and spins the hell out of my hard drive for 5 
mins.  I thought "hey, doesn't the kernel have a mechanism these days to 
notify a monitoring daemon about changes in the filesystem?  Why doesn't 
someone write a program that monitors for the changes and updates the db 
rather than rescanning the entire filesystem each day?"

It sounds like that's kind of what this beagle thing does... I'll have 
to check into it.

Matt Price wrote:
> hey folks,
> 
>  some time ago there was an ambitious gnome project called storage: 
> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html
> 
> it seems to have died, far as I can tell.  Beagle is the nearest thing
> we've got, I guess, though KDE is working on this thing called tenor,
> for kde 4:
> http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Tenor
> 
> anyway, I love beagle, am just getting used to its awesome power, but
> I would like to have slightly more robust interfaces e.g. "smart
> folders" à la MacOS, with beagle-derived search results updated every
> time you open the "folder"  (so it's not really a folder, but an alias
> for a command I guess.  
> 
> Has anyone implemented anything of this sort?  and/or, does anyone
> know whether "storage" still exists in development somewhere?
> 
> THanks much,
> 
> Matt




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 13 05:28:28 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:28:28 +1100
Subject: audacity I/O error
In-Reply-To: <FierceDeity.1zyehy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051029150157.GA814@teddy.fas.com>
	<20051029212200.GB9321@fungus.sh.nu>
	<4ebees.1xxa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<FierceDeity.1zyehy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051213162828.206b8813.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:52:56 -0500
"'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

> ok, i had a similar issue, first of all close all programs that might
> possibley be using the sound card you want audacity to read (mine was
> dev/dsp1) then just to make sure you got them all open up terminal and
> type in "killall esd" this should end all processes that are using that
> sound card, then boot up audacity and check i guess >_>


I found I had to turn off system sound events as well as making sure no
sound apps were already running.

Peter

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Linux User #343161 



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 05:37:15 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:37:15 -0500
Subject: Lirc troubles on dapper
In-Reply-To: <200512130749.19598.drolyk@gmail.com>
References: <200512130749.19598.drolyk@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134452235.14591.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

1) I think this should go in the -Devel list

2) Don't use Dapper unless you expect breakage. Its currently in
development and nowhere near ready for mainstream, so we can't really
help much

3) Its a problem with the sourcecode

Sorry for sounding rude lol

~ Chris "Kyral" Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 07:49 +0300, Makurin Roman wrote:
> Hi All!
> 
> I can`t build lirc-modules again but now on dapper. I install 
> linux-headers-2.6.15-6 and lirc-modules-source-0.7.1pre2
> Then I do everything by the same way:
> 
> cd /usr/src
> tar xzf lirc-modules.tar.gz
> cd linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686
> make-kpkg modules_image
> 
> but on last step compilation fails with error:
> 
>                                ARCH=i386 prepare
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
>   SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
> echo done >  stamp-kernel-configure
> echo done >  stamp-configure
> for module in /usr/src/modules/lirc ; do                       \
>           if test -d  $module; then                                \
>     (cd $module;                                          \
>               if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.6.15-rc3-ubuntu1" 
> KSRC="/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686" \
>                              KMAINT="Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer" 
> KEMAIL="unknown at unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf"      \
>                              
> KPKG_DEST_DIR="/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/.."       \
>                              KPKG_MAINTAINER="Unknown Kernel Package 
> Maintainer"        \
>                              KPKG_EXTRAV_ARG=""        \
>                              ARCH="i386"                  \
>                              KDREV="10.00.Custom" kdist_image; then    \
>                   echo "Module $module processed fine";            \
>               else                                                  \
>                    echo "Module $module failed.";                  \
>                    if [ "X" != "X" ]; then      \
>                       echo "Perhaps $module does not understand --rootcmd?";  
> \
>                       echo "If you see messages that indicate that it is not"; 
> \
>                       echo "in fact being built as root, please file a bug ";  
> \
>                       echo "against $module.";                     \
>                    fi;                                              \
>                    echo "Hit return to Continue";                   \
>          read ans;                                        \
>               fi;                                                   \
>      );                                                    \
>   else                                                      \
>                echo "Module $module does not exist";               \
>                echo "Hit return to Continue?";                      \
>   fi;                                                       \
>         done
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
> sed -e "s!\$KVERS!2.6.15-rc3-ubuntu1!g; s!
> \$KSRC!/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686!; s!\$KARCH!i386!; s!
> \$KEMAIL!unknown at unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf!; s!\$KMAINT!Unknown 
> Kernel Package Maintainer!; s!\$KDREV!10.00.Custom!; s!\$DEBDATE!Сбт, 03 Дек 
> 2005 19:58:45 +0300!" debian/control.in > debian/control
> dh_testdir
> # Add here commands to configure the package.
> touch configure-stamp
> dh_testdir
> # Add here commands to compile the package.
> /usr/bin/make debconf
> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
> mkdir modules
> /usr/bin/make -e -C drivers SUBDIRS="lirc_dev"
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> Making all in lirc_dev
> make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev'
> mv Makefile Makefile.automake
> cp ../Makefile.kernel Makefile
> /usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686 
> SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev modules \
>         KBUILD_VERBOSE=1
> make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
> mkdir -p /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.tmp_versions
> /usr/bin/make -f scripts/Makefile.build 
> obj=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev
>   gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.lirc_dev.o.d  
> -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
> -Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
> -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
> -ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
> -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
> -Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
> -Wno-pointer-sign -DIRCTL_DEV_MAJOR=61 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. 
> -I. -I../.. -I /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/../.. 
> -I /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/include/  -DMODULE 
> -DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_dev -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_dev -c 
> -o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.tmp_lirc_dev.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
> 'lirc_register_plugin':
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:352: warning: implicit 
> declaration of function 'class_simple_device_add'
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:383: warning: implicit 
> declaration of function 'class_simple_device_remove'
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
> 'lirc_dev_init':
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:792: warning: implicit 
> declaration of function 'class_simple_create'
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:792: warning: assignment 
> makes pointer from integer without a cast
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function 
> 'cleanup_module':
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:832: warning: implicit 
> declaration of function 'class_simple_destroy'
>   Building modules, stage 2.
> /usr/bin/make -rR 
> -f /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/scripts/Makefile.modpost
>   scripts/mod/modpost -m -a 
> -i /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/Module.symvers /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.o
> *** Warning: 
> "class_simple_create" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
> undefined!
> *** Warning: 
> "class_simple_device_remove" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
> undefined!
> *** Warning: 
> "class_simple_destroy" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
> undefined!
> *** Warning: 
> "class_simple_device_add" [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko] 
> undefined!
>   gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/.lirc_dev.mod.o.d  
> -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
> -Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
> -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
> -ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
> -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
> -Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
> -Wno-pointer-sign    -DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_dev -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_dev 
> -DMODULE -c 
> -o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.c
>   ld -m elf_i386 -m elf_i386 -r 
> -o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.mod.o
> make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
> mv Makefile.automake Makefile
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev'
> make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> make[4]: Цель `all-am' не требует выполнения команд.
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> mv drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.ko modules
> /usr/bin/make -e -C drivers SUBDIRS="lirc_i2c"
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> Making all in lirc_i2c
> make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c'
> mv Makefile Makefile.automake
> cp ../Makefile.kernel Makefile
> /usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686 
> SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c modules \
>         KBUILD_VERBOSE=1
> make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
> mkdir -p /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.tmp_versions
> /usr/bin/make -f scripts/Makefile.build 
> obj=/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c
>   gcc -m32 -Wp,-MD,/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.lirc_i2c.o.d  
> -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include -D__KERNEL__ 
> -Iinclude  -include include/linux/autoconf.h -Wall -Wundef 
> -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
> -ffreestanding -O2     -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -msoft-float 
> -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fno-unit-at-a-time -march=i686 
> -Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
> -Wno-pointer-sign -DIRCTL_DEV_MAJOR=61 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. 
> -I. -I../.. -I /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../.. 
> -I /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686/include/  -DMODULE 
> -DKBUILD_BASENAME=lirc_i2c -DKBUILD_MODNAME=lirc_i2c -c 
> -o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/.tmp_lirc_i2c.o /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c
> In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
>                  from include/linux/fs.h:12,
>                  
> from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
>                  from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
> include/linux/interrupt.h:31: error: conflicting types for 'irqreturn_t'
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:139: error: 
> previous declaration of 'irqreturn_t' was here
> In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
>                  from include/linux/fs.h:12,
>                  
> from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
>                  from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
> include/linux/interrupt.h:33:1: warning: "IRQ_NONE" redefined
> In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:140:1: warning: 
> this is the location of the previous definition
> In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
>                  from include/linux/fs.h:12,
>                  
> from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
>                  from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
> include/linux/interrupt.h:34:1: warning: "IRQ_HANDLED" redefined
> In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:141:1: warning: 
> this is the location of the previous definition
> In file included from include/linux/rcuref.h:36,
>                  from include/linux/fs.h:12,
>                  
> from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.h:24,
>                  from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:58:
> include/linux/interrupt.h:35:1: warning: "IRQ_RETVAL" redefined
> In file included from /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:57:
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/../../drivers/kcompat.h:142:1: warning: 
> this is the location of the previous definition
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c: In function 'ir_attach':
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: 'I2C_ALGO_BIT' 
> undeclared (first use in this function)
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: (Each undeclared 
> identifier is reported only once
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:392: error: for each 
> function it appears in.)
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c: In function 'ir_probe':
> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:464: error: 'I2C_ALGO_BIT' 
> undeclared (first use in this function)
> make[6]: *** [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.o] Ошибка 1
> make[5]: *** [_module_/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c] Ошибка 2
> make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-6-686'
> make[4]: *** [lirc_i2c.o] Ошибка 2
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c'
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Ошибка 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers'
> make[2]: *** [i2c] Ошибка 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
> make[1]: *** [build-stamp] Ошибка 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc'
> Module /usr/src/modules/lirc failed.
> Hit return to Continue
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how can I solve this ?
> 
> Thanks
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 13 05:51:27 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:51:27 +1100
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512122119210.2837@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:01:37 -0500
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:

> nah, a kubuntu expert install with a root login, run level three start
> up, And a few cherished console tools is as far as I'll have to go to do
> my own thing with it. <grin>

Note that a 'runlevel three start up' won't do what you would expect on
Fedora/mandrake et al.

Debian runs X in runlevel 2 by default- if you want a non-graphical login
the easiest way would be to disable the *dm (probably kdm in your case).
Of course if you want to spend time learning to customise your runlevels,
feel free ;-)

One way to do this is to replace /usr/bin/kdm with "false" or "goaway"
or whatever you like, in the file

/etc/X11/default-display-manager

Actually Peter Lieverdink pointed this out a while ago, but maybe you
didn't have time to read that post <grin>.

Peter

 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From drolyk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:03:18 2005
From: drolyk at gmail.com (Makurin Roman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:03:18 +0300
Subject: Lirc troubles on dapper
In-Reply-To: <1134452235.14591.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512130749.19598.drolyk@gmail.com>
	<1134452235.14591.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512130903.23307.drolyk@gmail.com>

В сообщении от Вторник 13 декабря 2005 08:37 Chris Peterman написал(a):
> 1) I think this should go in the -Devel list
>
> 2) Don't use Dapper unless you expect breakage. Its currently in
> development and nowhere near ready for mainstream, so we can't really
> help much
>
> 3) Its a problem with the sourcecode
>
> Sorry for sounding rude lol
>
> ~ Chris "Kyral" Peterman
>

Breezy doesn`t have working lirc....

-- 
If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo,
  then Linux is Dolby Digital and all the music is free...
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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 13 06:11:53 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:11:53 +0100
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
Message-ID: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

A quick one for the old knowledgeable Unix veterans on here ;-)

A friend gave me some web-space on a server. I notice that when I ftp to
it (with gftp as a client), the server identifies itself as "Unix type:
L8".

I tried googling for that but in vain.

So far my understanding is that there are bags of different Unixes with
only minor differences between them, just like there are zillions of
Linux distributions. I didn't know there were any major differences that
lead to sort them in as many categories/types !

If anyone has 5 spare minutes to shed some light ?! :o)


Regards,


--
Vince






From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec 13 06:37:40 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:37:40 -0800
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
In-Reply-To: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>

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Christoph Bier wrote:
| Hi all!
|
| Some months ago I migrated my laptop from Sarge to Hoary and some
| weeks ago to Breezy. Now, that I had to use the laptop quite often
| again, I noticed that it runs very slowly and unstable (in contrast
| to sarge; while Hoary was installed I didn't use the laptop that
| much). Sometimes the mouse pointer doesn't react for (many) minutes,
| the whole GUI seems to be frozen; no updates in the watched log
| files and gkrellm (sometimes the clock is updated). pings are then
| answered with no noteworthy delay (time=0.2 ms) but remote login via
| ssh is very slow i.e. it takes about one to fifteen(!) minutes until
| I get prompted for the password. Viewing `top' remotely shows
| nothing special. But X or GNOME still seem to be frozen. The HDD-LED
| is always glowing, CPU is running with lowest frequency (633MHz).
|
| A frozen GUI appears reproducible (but not only) using image viewers
| as gqview or gthumb. Sometimes just opening those applications is
| enough for system freeze or running unison-gtk while gqview is
| opened (I don't do anything on my laptop, only unison-gtk is
| working---GUI freezes ...) or fast image alternation. Whereas "fast"
| means < 7 seconds. Then I have to kill X via `Ctrl Alt Backspace',
| kill gqview remotely if possible (after that everything's ok again)
| or I just wait for about 5--75 minutes until the GUI "wakes up"
| again. But then some applications are closed or crashed. Especially
| Mozilla is always gone after the "wake up".
|
| I never observed such instability on the same hardware with Debian
| Woody and Sarge and I still don't do with Knoppix (from CD-ROM), so
| I don't think that there's a hardware defect (BTW: Booting the
| Knoppix live CD with *no* configuration file takes 1 min 20 sec,
| booting Breezy from HDD takes 1 min 10 sec). Can anybody help me to
| find out what's going wrong on my laptop? I'd really like to fix it
| because at the moment my laptop is nearly unusable.
|
| Hardware:
| ---------
| CPU: Athlon XP 2200+ M
| RAM: 256MB (checked with memtest86+ in the last 30 hours)
| Graphics: S3 ProSavage8 KM266/KL266 (Xorg driver "savage")
| Chipset: VIA Apollo Pro266 AGP (memtest86+ writes "VIA KN266")
|
| Kernel: 2.6.12-10-k7
|
| Any help appreciated!
|
| Best regards,
| 	Christoph

What kind of laptop are you using?  See if it's listed here:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

You didn't use the laptop very much when you had Hoary installed, but it
sounds like the problems you're getting now are bad enough that you
would likely have noticed them if they were there with Hoary.

What do you get on 'top' when run in a terminal?  Any process using up
more resources than it should?

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:50:53 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:50:53 +0000
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <000001c5ffa6$ee718c00$0100007f@localhost>
	<anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <80f459360512122250t50e1785bo@mail.gmail.com>

More details,

what are you asking exactly?

On 13/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> First, which website is it?
> Second, if it's not a very popular website, do a google search to know
> about the legal aspects.
> Third, post your results here.
>
>
> --
> anil_robo
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 07:15:52 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:15:52 -0800
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
In-Reply-To: <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>
References: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org> <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512122315o76f8b6aer9233bfa3090e6b14@mail.gmail.com>

> What kind of laptop are you using?  See if it's listed here:
>
> http://www.linux-laptop.net/

And don't forget our own laptop testing team:
   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam

Always useful to check if someone else experience similar problems
with the same type of laptop using Ubuntu.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec 13 07:16:02 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:16:02 -0800
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512122250t50e1785bo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c5ffa6$ee718c00$0100007f@localhost>	<anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<80f459360512122250t50e1785bo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439E7532.2020909@fletcher.ca>

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Jeez guys.  This is a spam that made it onto the forum but not the
mailing list until someone replied.

Let's not give it life by continuing this thread.

Ed

Aaron Kiley wrote:
| More details,
|
| what are you asking exactly?
|
| On 13/12/05, *'Forum Post* <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org
| <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>> wrote:
|
|
|     First, which website is it?
|     Second, if it's not a very popular website, do a google search to know
|     about the legal aspects.
|     Third, post your results here.
|
|
|     --
|     anil_robo
|
|     --
|     ubuntu-users mailing list
|     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
|     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
|
|


- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 07:06:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:06:07 -0500
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
References: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ape.1zyw3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Found this explanation at 'http://www.nsftools.com/tips/RawFTP.htm#SYST

' (http://www.nsftools.com/tips/RawFTP.htm#SYST)



-SYST

Syntax: SYST



Returns a word identifying the system, the word "Type:", and the
default transfer type (as would be set by the TYPE command). For
example: UNIX Type: L8



TYPE

Syntax: TYPE type-character [second-type-character]



Sets the type of file to be transferred. type-character can be any of:



* A - ASCII text

* E - EBCDIC text

* I - image (binary data)

* L - local format 



For A and E, the second-type-character specifies how the text should be
interpreted. It can be:



* N - Non-print (not destined for printing). This is the default if
second-type-character is omitted.

* T - Telnet format control (<CR>, <FF>, etc.)

* C - ASA Carriage Control 



For L, the second-type-character specifies the number of bits per byte
on the local system, and may not be omitted.-



Hope this helps...


-- 
ape



From robitaille at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 07:22:30 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:22:30 -0800
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
In-Reply-To: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512122322p1e484484u57ced7b2db4c27c8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> A quick one for the old knowledgeable Unix veterans on here ;-)
>
> A friend gave me some web-space on a server. I notice that when I ftp to
> it (with gftp as a client), the server identifies itself as "Unix type:
> L8".
 http://www.catalyst.com/support/help/cstools4/scripting/html/ftp/object/property/system.html

"UNIX Type: L8  	A standard UNIX based server. This is the most common
value returned by servers, and this indicates that the server supports
UNIX file naming and directory listing conventions. This string may
also include additional information such as the specific variant of
UNIX and its version. The L8 portion of the string is a convention
that lets the client know that a byte consists of 8 bits."


--
Daniel Robitaille



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 13 07:26:45 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:26:45 +0100
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
In-Reply-To: <ape.1zyw3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ape.1zyw3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134458805.5056.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> Found this explanation at 'http://www.nsftools.com/tips/RawFTP.htm#SYST
> Hope this helps...
> -- 
> ape

Ahhhhh.... thanks ape. So the wording is misleading then, "Unix Type L8"
has nothing to do with Unix as such, it's only to do with the type of
file transfer... ok ok... there are indeed no categories of Unixes then,
I don't need to revise my vague understanding of Unix yet ;-)


--
Vince




From s.wagschal at bengelhaus.de  Tue Dec 13 07:27:57 2005
From: s.wagschal at bengelhaus.de (Sven Wagschal)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:27:57 +0100
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>
	<dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439E77FD.5000401@bengelhaus.de>

Thilo Six schrieb:
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> I use Gnome and it worked all the time since i use Ubuntu (Warthy).
> But suddenly it stopped working.
> If i mount it "by Hand" it works, no prob - but it should be automated,
> as it was. And create an icon on the desktop, what not does happen.
> I´ve installed this "autofs" - no change.
> 
> any othe ideas?

Hello,

maybe this thread can be helpfull: 
<http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=90656&highlight=Breezy+Floppy+Disk+Bug>

Regards

S. Wagschal



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 13 07:38:01 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:38:01 +0100
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512122322p1e484484u57ced7b2db4c27c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512122322p1e484484u57ced7b2db4c27c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134459482.5056.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 23:22 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> "UNIX Type: L8  	A standard UNIX based server. This is the most common
> value returned by servers, and this indicates that the server supports
> UNIX file naming and directory listing conventions. This string may
> also include additional information such as the specific variant of
> UNIX and its version. The L8 portion of the string is a convention
> that lets the client know that a byte consists of 8 bits."

Thanks Daniel, so it has a tiny little bit to do with Unix in the end,
but still no Unix categories, only an identifier (eventually).

I am particularly intrigued to read that a "byte" does not necessarily
hold 8 bits. As a (young) electronic engineer I am scared to see that
none of my professors throughout the years, never ever even vaguely
suggested that a byte was not necessarily 8 bits. My electronic world is
now collapsing, I'm gonna blow a fuse soon, I need explanations,
HEEEEELP !!! :-OOOO
While on the subject, please don't tell me that a bit can hold more than
two states, or I think I will grab a shotgun and give it all up !! ;-)

--
Vince, won't be able to find sleep tonight...






From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 07:49:02 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:49:02 +0000
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
In-Reply-To: <439E7532.2020909@fletcher.ca>
References: <000001c5ffa6$ee718c00$0100007f@localhost>
	<anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<80f459360512122250t50e1785bo@mail.gmail.com>
	<439E7532.2020909@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <80f459360512122349u6256ea91j@mail.gmail.com>

errr, It made it in to the mailing list mate, if it had not how could I have
replied since I have not visited the fourm?

On 13/12/05, Ed Fletcher <ed at fletcher.ca> wrote:
>
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jeez guys.  This is a spam that made it onto the forum but not the
> mailing list until someone replied.
>
> Let's not give it life by continuing this thread.
>
> Ed
>
> Aaron Kiley wrote:
> | More details,
> |
> | what are you asking exactly?
> |
> | On 13/12/05, *'Forum Post* <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org
> | <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>> wrote:
> |
> |
> |     First, which website is it?
> |     Second, if it's not a very popular website, do a google search to
> know
> |     about the legal aspects.
> |     Third, post your results here.
> |
> |
> |     --
> |     anil_robo
> |
> |     --
> |     ubuntu-users mailing list
> |     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> |     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> |
> |
>
>
> - --
> Ed Fletcher
> ed at fletcher.ca
>
> What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
> whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
> or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
>
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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Tue Dec 13 07:51:26 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:51:26 +0200
Subject: Connecting to Internet - again
Message-ID: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE

which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice

------------------------------------------------------------------------

My sincere thanks for the trouble that so many, especially David, have taken 
to help me get connected. I now have two items on my desktop ("Connect" 
and "Disconnect" which use "pon" and "poff") which connect me to my service
provider (and disconnect me again) easily and without any need for passwords.

David, I am sorry but I must be awful slow at this Ubuntu security. I can
create a new user but, unless I give that user administrative privileges,  I 
cannot use the System > Administration > Network applet to connect to the 
network. I simply get the diagnostic that administration privileges are required 
(or words to that effect). Of course, if I do give the user administration privileges, 
it does work but then that user has full rights to do anything they want. This is the 
"security hole" that I was afraid of. However, this is fairly academic as the pon and
 poff method works perfectly.

So the good news is that pppconfig now works perfectly and sets the default
user with no problems. I am not sure why it did not work before, and am not
really going to go back and try and redo every setting that I did
before to see what I did wrong. Two possibilities though - previously I was configuring the
modem to use "chat" rather than "peer" authentication (OK I know it
should have nothing to do with it); or it is possible that the two
methods of connecting (pppconfig + pon v the applet) interfere with each
other and cause strange inconsistencies.

Also my thanks to Steve for the information on how to configure Firefox.
My speed of browsing is now as good as one can expect from a slowish
modem and line. There are certainly a lot of "undocumented" (I am sure
they are documented somewhere!) configuration features in Firefox.

My only disappointment if that Gnome-ppp simply does not recognise my
modem. I have no idea why.

Bill





From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 13 08:14:01 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:14:01 +0100
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
References: <1134360175.8499.50.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
	<pan.2005.12.12.07.38.21.790906@xs4all.nl>
	<1134427167.8499.62.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.13.08.14.01.251920@xs4all.nl>

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:39:27 +1100, Steven Heimann wrote:

> Thanks for the advice Henk but I am still not having any luck.
> 
> I have removed hpoj and installed hplip.
> I have obtained the following uri for the pinter :
> hp:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196
> I note that the printer installation insists on putting ipp:// in front
> of this but that would seem to be correct. 

Be sure to install it as a CUPS (IPP) printer -- there are several
possibilities to choose from, use the one where the above URI (with
single slash) is accepted. 

> I thought the printer driver would be hplip but hpijs is the only 
> available driver.  (Is this
> the problem or does this driver somehow interact with hplip?)

The printer brand name should be taken as HPLIP, not HP, and then yes, the
suggested driver will probably be hpijs (it was in my case).

> I get the following status message for the printer when I try to send
> print a test print job.  :  Printing: Unable to lookup host 'hp' -
> Unknown host

That's because you installed as a "network printer" instead of "CUPS
(IPP)" printer, see my earlier comment.

> For scanning I get the following uri :
> hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196
> 
> When I try scanimage --help -d
> hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196 I get the message
> scanimage: open of device
> hpaio:/net/Officejet_7200_series?ip=192.168.1.196 failed: Error during
> device I/O

Sorry, can't help you with this.

> I have tried restarting hplip & cupsys with no avail.
> 
> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> 
> Thank you
> Steven


-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From robitaille at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 08:25:55 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:25:55 -0800
Subject: Unix is categorised ???
In-Reply-To: <1134458805.5056.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134454314.5056.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<ape.1zyw3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134458805.5056.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512130025s66a9941fs5afc82dd8b96da58@mail.gmail.com>

> Ahhhhh.... thanks ape. So the wording is misleading then, "Unix Type L8"
> has nothing to do with Unix as such, it's only to do with the type of
> file transfer... ok ok... there are indeed no categories of Unixes then,
> I don't need to revise my vague understanding of Unix yet ;-)

And for anyone who wants to have an idea of the various Unix/Linux out
there, the plots at this link is always interesting to look at:
 http://www.levenez.com/unix/

I used to have that long-timeline printed.  It's makes for a nice wall
decoration in someone office :)


--
Daniel Robitaille



From nicola.lodato at cp.net  Tue Dec 13 08:52:36 2005
From: nicola.lodato at cp.net (nicola lodato)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:52:36 +0100
Subject: temporarily unsuscribe from this list
Message-ID: <439E8BD4.5050109@cp.net>

Hi all,
 in forecast of the next Christmas  holiday I would want to know if it's
possible to temporarily unsuscribe from this list and, maybe, to have
missed messages zipped in an only mail at my return.

Thanks

Nicola Lodato



From jeremiah at easywebsite.se  Tue Dec 13 08:52:37 2005
From: jeremiah at easywebsite.se (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:52:37 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 20:37 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Emmanuele Salvati Wrote: 
> > hi,
> 
> > i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
> > for 3
> 
> > reasons:
> 
> > --no linux driver for airport express (yet)
> 
> > --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)

Hmm, will this not work for you?
http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/

> > --no afs working on linuxppc

By afs do you mean apple file sharing or Andrew File system? If you are
referring to the later there certainly exists implementations of AFS for
linux.






From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Tue Dec 13 08:54:58 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:54:58 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <poptones.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051213023202.GA9571@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<poptones.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051213085457.GA20627@utoronto.ca>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:24:55PM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> "Searching" is the problem. It's a stupid idea for a machine which you
> control. I cannot tell the folks at wired where to put their pages, but
> I most certainly can do this on my own machine.
> 
but you never screw up?  or get confused about which project you put
stuff in?  

> I've been working on a project that solves this from the ground up; it
> works with legacy systems via "snooping" on selected folders and
> squirreling things away as they appear. Files are stored in a fixed
> heirarchy and their metadata stored in an easily accessed sqlite
> database (of course it could be made "real" sql if needed).
> 
> In an image containing about 50,000 files I can "search" and (for
> example) buuild an mp3 playlist or an image collection in the time it
> takes to type the constraints and hit enter. Because the original paths
> are also stored as metadata this also works just dandy with systme files
> - for example, every debian package downloaded via synaptic gets
> catalogued and then symbolically linked back into the "cache." This is
> a zero maintenance way to build a local repository.

hmm, well that sounds very interesting and I'd lvoe to try it out.
how about e.g. full text earching of structured documents like
open-document files?  I like that feature in beaggle...

> 
> slocate has been a part of linux since about forever. It's stable,
> fast, and mature - it's just stupid to redesign that functionality from
> the ground up just so you can piggyback on the latest gee-whiz memory
> gobbling design platform.
> 

hmm, to be honest I find locate utterly inadequate to the task of
searching, since it searches on names, not contents.  maybe slocte is
different?  

> 

-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From div at nuxeo.com  Tue Dec 13 09:09:09 2005
From: div at nuxeo.com (div)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:09:09 +0200
Subject: temporarily unsuscribe from this list
In-Reply-To: <439E8BD4.5050109@cp.net>
References: <439E8BD4.5050109@cp.net>
Message-ID: <439E8FB5.5080009@nuxeo.com>

nicola lodato wrote:

>Hi all,
> in forecast of the next Christmas  holiday I would want to know if it's
>possible to temporarily unsuscribe from this list and, maybe, to have
>missed messages zipped in an only mail at my return.
>
>Thanks
>
>Nicola Lodato
>
>  
>
You could do one of these things... all of them are related to the 
mailman administration here: 
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-users

- You could disable the _Mail delivery_ and re-enable it when you come 
back (you will not receive the mails but you can access them in the web 
archive)
or
- You could enable _Digest mode_ so that you'll receive a daily digest 
of all the discussions

-- 
Dragos Ivan, Nuxeo Romania
+40 21 322 61 13
http://www.nuxeo.ro
mailto:div at nuxeo.com




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 13 09:14:45 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:14:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on 
 Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 20:37 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
>> Emmanuele Salvati Wrote:
>> > hi,
>>
>> > i would love to replace macosx with ubuntu on my laptop, but i can't,
>> > for 3
>>
>> > reasons:
>>
>> > --no linux driver for airport express (yet)
>>
>> > --no skype for linux/ppc (or equivalent to skype)
>
> Hmm, will this not work for you?
> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/
Skype is running OK also just install from
sudo apt-get install skype

BUT on some of my Ubuntu-PCs I have installed gizmoproject.com by
installing all 3 .deb files in the sequence they are mentioned under the
Debian section on the side:
http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html

and Gixmoproject out (to phones) is cheaper than Skype-out.

But you can install both if you are in doubt.

Regards

Phillip


Phillip Sc. Bøgh
BioData Scientific employed
& Consultant
DTU - IPL, Building 303 øst; DK-2800 Kgl. Lyngby
tlf. +45 26156200



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 10:10:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:10:42 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <gilgongo.1zz4fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm a week in to using Ubuntu exclusively at home. I've had to retain
Windows on a 5Gig partition though as I'll need to retain it for when I
work from home since the apps I'll have to use are Windows only (and the
company's timesheets only work with IE).



My 5-year-old will want to use Windows to play QuakeIII as well I would
think.


-- 
gilgongo



From christoph.bier at web.de  Tue Dec 13 10:36:04 2005
From: christoph.bier at web.de (Christoph Bier)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:36:04 +0100
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
In-Reply-To: <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>
References: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org> <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <dnm86l$kcp$1@sea.gmane.org>

Ed Fletcher schrieb am 13.12.2005 07:37:

[...]

> What kind of laptop are you using?  See if it's listed here:

Very rare model: IPC Power Note M 8375. That's why I listed the
components.

> http://www.linux-laptop.net/

It's not listed there, I frequently check this site.

> You didn't use the laptop very much when you had Hoary installed, but it
> sounds like the problems you're getting now are bad enough that you
> would likely have noticed them if they were there with Hoary.

> What do you get on 'top' when run in a terminal?  Any process using up
> more resources than it should?

No. Viewing `top' remotely shows nothing special. That's why I'm at
a loss.

Thanks for your reply!

Best,
  Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4)




From christoph.bier at web.de  Tue Dec 13 10:38:01 2005
From: christoph.bier at web.de (Christoph Bier)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:38:01 +0100
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512122315o76f8b6aer9233bfa3090e6b14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org> <439E6C34.9040407@fletcher.ca>
	<e453abbe0512122315o76f8b6aer9233bfa3090e6b14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dnm8a9$kcp$2@sea.gmane.org>

Daniel Robitaille schrieb am 13.12.2005 08:15:

>>What kind of laptop are you using?  See if it's listed here:
>>
>>http://www.linux-laptop.net/
> 
> And don't forget our own laptop testing team:
>    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
> 
> Always useful to check if someone else experience similar problems
> with the same type of laptop using Ubuntu.

Thanks, I already checked both sites. But I have a very rare laptop
model.

Best,
  Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4)




From brian at brianpuccio.net  Tue Dec 13 10:55:47 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:55:47 -0500
Subject: Repositiries
In-Reply-To: <20051212155937.88501.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212155937.88501.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1134471347.30680.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 15:59 +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  I'm using Breezy but when I try to change the repositories to include
> community, non-free, it doesn't stay set.
> 
> I press Settings -> Repostories -> Add to add the repositories and
> then press OK, then press OK in the main box (which then asks me to
> reload as my repositories have changed.
> 
> But if I press on Add again, they're not set.
> 
> Even if I just press Add, click the check boxes, press OK, the go
> straight back into Add, they're unchecked.
> 
> If I uncheck restricted, ofiicial, when I go straight back in, they're
> checked.

While I can't confirm your bug, a quick work around would be to "sudo
gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" or "sudo
nano /etc/apt/sources.list" (depending on which text editor you like).

See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesCliHowto
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
-- 
                                                   brian at brianpuccio.net
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 13 11:03:56 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:03:56 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
Message-ID: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>

I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
Have I missed something obvious?

It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.

It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
/usr/bin/mail

David.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 11:08:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:08:32 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
References: <20051213023202.GA9571@box.jynn.tonix.org><poptones.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051213085457.GA20627@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <poptones.1zz77b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> "Searching" is the problem. It's a stupid idea for a machine which you
> control. I cannot tell the folks at wired where to put their pages,
but
> I most certainly can do this on my own machine.
>
>but you never screw up? or get confused about which project you put
>stuff in?

All the time. I have a few well named folders like "music" and "dvds"
and "tv" (all in /hollywood, of course) but I also have thousands of
image and music files that don't really fit anywhere in particular. I
also have about a dozen desktop backups and every one of these has
within it many duplicate files but also many unsorted files that were
in some "download" queue or tempdir at the time I backed them up.
Storing and sorting these will be the next step of the acid test.

The point I was making is that I should not have to concern myself with
where the file goes - so long as I describe it relatively adequately or
am able to describe it in a "search" why should I have to worry about
where it goes on my drive? Having to mess with sorting stuff into
"folders" and constantly worry ablut what's updated, where this goes
now that I've added ten thousand whatevers and the old method doesn't
work anymore... and then still ahve to rely on a "search engine" to
interact with that stuff is just nuts - it's twice the work.

>hmm, well that sounds very interesting and I'd lvoe to try it out.
>how about e.g. full text earching of structured documents like
>open-document files? I like that feature in beaggle...

Of course, that's a fundamental need. You could not locate a doc by
description if you were not cataloging this stuff. 

But having to screw with mono on a system when the basis of a
completely adequate system is part of the existing operating system
seems to me a great waste of resources on many levels. Rather than
create a user-centric "search engine" with primitve security and flaky
behavior, why not instead just build on what's already there and
stable? No, slocate doesn't index stuff by content - but the greater
point is this: even slocate works backwards.

If I save a file I cannot do so by magic. I cannot wish the file to
exist on the hard drive, nor can I retrieve it without the aid of the
operating system. Every time a file is stored on the disc it goes
through linux - nothing goes in or out without linux knowing about it.

So why does linux then have to go back and "search" for all this stuff?
Why isn't linux instead catalogin each file into a *quickly searchable*
database every time it  stores that file? And why do I have to know
where that file goes? 

The system has been built as it is and changing this from the ground up
is impractical. But adapting the system to perform this maintenance is
not at all impractical. You can even do this with *system* files like
those in the /etc and /var directories. Because linux has a perfectly
usable system that allows symbolic linking of resources, "active"
system files can be stored in a structure that does not fit the
/usr/var/etc paths but is still acessible in this manner. 

So, for example, when I edit my /etc/fstab file why does it get
overwritten? Why doesn't linux just remember the old one and swap in
the new one? It knows I have edited the file and changed its contents -
why does this then have to be retroactively indexed?

I cannot rewrite the kernel - my talents simply are not up to the task.
But there are ways to model this behavior and that's what I'm working
with. A system like beagle can work just fine, but beagle's main
weakness is that it has terribel security and it seeks to overcome this
weakness by being built inside some "sandbox." It's an illusion of
safety that really just adds so much complexity it becomes brittle.

As an example, here's the routine that hashes and stores the file and
then catalogs basic information about the file. This is a very simple
example that doesn't incorporate worry about magic numbers and plugin
miners - it just takes a given bit of metadata, a file (or collection
of files) and stores them away. It's nothing but a bash script - well
developed, robust technology in a completely unoptimized, simple,
readable and maintainable script. 

if [[ -f "$_file" ]] && [[ -e "$_file" ]];then
_hash=`md5sum "$_file"`;
_hash="${_hash:0:32}"
_FIL=${_file##*/};
fldr="${storagepath}${_hash:0:2}/${_hash:2:2}/${_hash:4:28}";
# echo "Storing $_file at hash $fldr" >> ~/wtf.log

if [[ -e "$fldr" ]];then
echo "$_file $fldr">>${storagepath}dupes.list;
#   echo -e "folder exists\n" >> ~/wtf.log
cmd="insert into _alias values('${_hash}','${_FIL}')";
sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";  

else mkdir "$fldr";
cp "$_file" "$fldr";
_SIZ=`stat -c "%s" "$_file"`;
_DATE=`stat -c "%Y" "$_file"`;
cmd="insert into _files
values('${_hash}','${_FIL}','${_FIL##*.}','${_SIZ}','${_DATE}',1,'archive','${_DATE}')";
sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";
#   echo -e "files info stored: $cmd \n" >> ~/wtf.log
cmd="insert into _meta
values('${_hash},','<keywords>${keywords}</keywords><originalpath>${_file}</originalpath>')";
sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";  
#   echo -e "meta info stored: $cmd \n" >> ~/wtf.log
#   rm -f "$_file";
chmod 444 "${fldr}/${_FIL}"
fi;
fi;

In a structure of about 50,000 files the metadata folder is, at
present, less than 30MB. This can be backed up separately and could
also be exchanged with others. Since info about the files is stored
along with their unique hash (and of course md5 can be replaced with
any other) the system can quickly and easily decide if a given file is
present, for example in file sharing applications - just look up the
hash and then see if the files located there match. Because all this
isn't "built into the filesystem" it can be used on any filesystem and
can be maintained with existing, mature and human-friendly tools.

Simple example: when downloading files from usenet I no longer even
look at a dialog box; the system itself monitors my incoming usenet
folder and, when it sees a new file appear there it locates the cached
text, copies the fields I have specified (posted by, group, date,
subject line, x-ref number), then hashes and stores the file and its
metadata. Putting together a playlist involves describing the music or
files I want without having to be concerned about the location of the
data. 

On the "hunter-gatherer" backend, if a "new and improved" version of a
file is posted the system can instantly tell simply by comparing the
posted filesizes to the files it already has. Because the metadata is
more comprehensive than just filenames (as in slocate) it can be
smarter about telling the difference between, say, Al Cooper and Alice
Cooper. But because it never -replaces- a file but only adds more,
mistakes are easily corrected. This would allow building "smart agents"
that can pool the array of resources available to a desktop machine (web
search, p2p, torrent, usenet, irc etc) in "tivo like" fashion. The more
data it collects the more it knows about your tastes and the better it
is able to find other relevant data for the owner. And because it uses
existing security models this can all be built to whatever level of
paranoia the eu happens to feel prudent.


-- 
poptones



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 13 11:23:39 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:23:39 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 03:03, David wrote:
> I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
> Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
> Have I missed something obvious?
> 
> It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
> 
> It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> /usr/bin/mail

You'll need to install the mailx package.  It was required by
ubuntu-base in Hoary but dropped for Breezy.  I have no idea why.

--Mike Bird




From ramercer at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 11:45:53 2005
From: ramercer at gmail.com (Adam Mercer)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:45:53 +0000
Subject: Unable to purge websvn
Message-ID: <799406d60512130345y22ad3b94r@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I want to purge the websvn config files from my system but am having
problems. It uninstalls fine but I want to fully remove the config
files using aptitude to purge I get the following

ram at skymoo:~$ sudo aptitude purge websvn
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  websvn
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Writing extended state information... Done
(Reading database ... 91324 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing websvn ...
Purging configuration files for websvn ...
 * Forcing reload of web server  (Apache2)...                            [ ok ]

and then it just hangs there, killing it with a Ctrl-C I get the following

dpkg: error processing websvn (--purge):
 subprocess post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 websvn
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Ack!  Something bad happened while installing packages.  Trying to recover:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done

I get the same error using synaptic, but this time I have to kill
synaptic from the command line as it never returns to a usable state.

Any ideas how I can fully remove websvn from my system?

Cheers

Adam

From shchoi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 11:54:10 2005
From: shchoi at gmail.com (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:54:10 +0000
Subject: ssh banner
In-Reply-To: <1134433501.8422.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <34b425c50512111856g21b82e4dg4841654693deb931@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134359111.5273.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<34b425c50512120741w4630424aj92fa7ca0d9ec0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134433501.8422.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <34b425c50512130354t6ac62e2egebd7336d245249d7@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot for your comment.

What sort of tools are you using by the way?

I was thinking of touching some openssh source code to produce an
animated banner. I mean when a user logs in, it displays a character
and put some delay and displays a character and deley, and so on and
on.

I think it would not be a good idea to change /etc/profile for this
purpose as you also pointed out.

Thanks,


On 12/13/05, Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 15:41 +0000, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> > Hi, Tim,
> >
> > Right. Thanks for this. Maybe my question was not so clear. :-)
> > (I mean your explanation was very clear and useful too.)
> >
> > What I wanted to do is to display an "animated" banner generated by
> > figlet such that the banner displays a letter with some delay. In this
> > way, a user could see a letter one by one up untill the last letter.
> > It could be better if I could put some colours on the letters.
> >
> > Would this be still possible?
>
> It depends on whether you just want the message to be displayed to ssh
> users, or are prepared to have it displayed to every user on the system.
> There are two sets of files that are processed by a login activity:
> * static files that are displayed (/etc/motd, /etc/issue, etc)
> * scripts that are run (.bashrc, .bash_profile, /etc/profile, etc)
>
>
> To animate something, you need to add the script that performs your
> animation to a script that is run on login.  This means including it
> in /etc/profile (since that is the only global script that is called
> during the login process.  But /etc/profile is accessed for *ALL*
> non-graphical logins, not just by ssh.  This means that you will get the
> same message displayed when you log in to tty1-tty6.
>
>
> I don't use figlet myself, so can't comment on getting coloured display.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Tue Dec 13 12:04:32 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:04:32 -0500
Subject: gnome "storage" project, smart windows
In-Reply-To: <poptones.1zz77b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051213085457.GA20627@utoronto.ca>
	<poptones.1zz77b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051213120432.GA20746@utoronto.ca>

wow.

this is pretty rad stuff. 

I agree with you about mono, which I would rther not have to deal
with.  ANd I also agree it'd be great to have thiss stuff built into
the os -- I hear reiser4 was certain similar capabilities maybe?
would be cool if it did.

anyway gotta hop on a plane but thx for this & keep me informed as you
movethrough tis project!  very cool indeed.

matt


On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 06:08:32AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> > "Searching" is the problem. It's a stupid idea for a machine which you
> > control. I cannot tell the folks at wired where to put their pages,
> but
> > I most certainly can do this on my own machine.
> >
> >but you never screw up? or get confused about which project you put
> >stuff in?
> 
> All the time. I have a few well named folders like "music" and "dvds"
> and "tv" (all in /hollywood, of course) but I also have thousands of
> image and music files that don't really fit anywhere in particular. I
> also have about a dozen desktop backups and every one of these has
> within it many duplicate files but also many unsorted files that were
> in some "download" queue or tempdir at the time I backed them up.
> Storing and sorting these will be the next step of the acid test.
> 
> The point I was making is that I should not have to concern myself with
> where the file goes - so long as I describe it relatively adequately or
> am able to describe it in a "search" why should I have to worry about
> where it goes on my drive? Having to mess with sorting stuff into
> "folders" and constantly worry ablut what's updated, where this goes
> now that I've added ten thousand whatevers and the old method doesn't
> work anymore... and then still ahve to rely on a "search engine" to
> interact with that stuff is just nuts - it's twice the work.
> 
> >hmm, well that sounds very interesting and I'd lvoe to try it out.
> >how about e.g. full text earching of structured documents like
> >open-document files? I like that feature in beaggle...
> 
> Of course, that's a fundamental need. You could not locate a doc by
> description if you were not cataloging this stuff. 
> 
> But having to screw with mono on a system when the basis of a
> completely adequate system is part of the existing operating system
> seems to me a great waste of resources on many levels. Rather than
> create a user-centric "search engine" with primitve security and flaky
> behavior, why not instead just build on what's already there and
> stable? No, slocate doesn't index stuff by content - but the greater
> point is this: even slocate works backwards.
> 
> If I save a file I cannot do so by magic. I cannot wish the file to
> exist on the hard drive, nor can I retrieve it without the aid of the
> operating system. Every time a file is stored on the disc it goes
> through linux - nothing goes in or out without linux knowing about it.
> 
> So why does linux then have to go back and "search" for all this stuff?
> Why isn't linux instead catalogin each file into a *quickly searchable*
> database every time it  stores that file? And why do I have to know
> where that file goes? 
> 
> The system has been built as it is and changing this from the ground up
> is impractical. But adapting the system to perform this maintenance is
> not at all impractical. You can even do this with *system* files like
> those in the /etc and /var directories. Because linux has a perfectly
> usable system that allows symbolic linking of resources, "active"
> system files can be stored in a structure that does not fit the
> /usr/var/etc paths but is still acessible in this manner. 
> 
> So, for example, when I edit my /etc/fstab file why does it get
> overwritten? Why doesn't linux just remember the old one and swap in
> the new one? It knows I have edited the file and changed its contents -
> why does this then have to be retroactively indexed?
> 
> I cannot rewrite the kernel - my talents simply are not up to the task.
> But there are ways to model this behavior and that's what I'm working
> with. A system like beagle can work just fine, but beagle's main
> weakness is that it has terribel security and it seeks to overcome this
> weakness by being built inside some "sandbox." It's an illusion of
> safety that really just adds so much complexity it becomes brittle.
> 
> As an example, here's the routine that hashes and stores the file and
> then catalogs basic information about the file. This is a very simple
> example that doesn't incorporate worry about magic numbers and plugin
> miners - it just takes a given bit of metadata, a file (or collection
> of files) and stores them away. It's nothing but a bash script - well
> developed, robust technology in a completely unoptimized, simple,
> readable and maintainable script. 
> 
> if [[ -f "$_file" ]] && [[ -e "$_file" ]];then
> _hash=`md5sum "$_file"`;
> _hash="${_hash:0:32}"
> _FIL=${_file##*/};
> fldr="${storagepath}${_hash:0:2}/${_hash:2:2}/${_hash:4:28}";
> # echo "Storing $_file at hash $fldr" >> ~/wtf.log
> 
> if [[ -e "$fldr" ]];then
> echo "$_file $fldr">>${storagepath}dupes.list;
> #   echo -e "folder exists\n" >> ~/wtf.log
> cmd="insert into _alias values('${_hash}','${_FIL}')";
> sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";  
> 
> else mkdir "$fldr";
> cp "$_file" "$fldr";
> _SIZ=`stat -c "%s" "$_file"`;
> _DATE=`stat -c "%Y" "$_file"`;
> cmd="insert into _files
> values('${_hash}','${_FIL}','${_FIL##*.}','${_SIZ}','${_DATE}',1,'archive','${_DATE}')";
> sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";
> #   echo -e "files info stored: $cmd \n" >> ~/wtf.log
> cmd="insert into _meta
> values('${_hash},','<keywords>${keywords}</keywords><originalpath>${_file}</originalpath>')";
> sqlite ${storagepath}meta.db "$cmd";  
> #   echo -e "meta info stored: $cmd \n" >> ~/wtf.log
> #   rm -f "$_file";
> chmod 444 "${fldr}/${_FIL}"
> fi;
> fi;
> 
> In a structure of about 50,000 files the metadata folder is, at
> present, less than 30MB. This can be backed up separately and could
> also be exchanged with others. Since info about the files is stored
> along with their unique hash (and of course md5 can be replaced with
> any other) the system can quickly and easily decide if a given file is
> present, for example in file sharing applications - just look up the
> hash and then see if the files located there match. Because all this
> isn't "built into the filesystem" it can be used on any filesystem and
> can be maintained with existing, mature and human-friendly tools.
> 
> Simple example: when downloading files from usenet I no longer even
> look at a dialog box; the system itself monitors my incoming usenet
> folder and, when it sees a new file appear there it locates the cached
> text, copies the fields I have specified (posted by, group, date,
> subject line, x-ref number), then hashes and stores the file and its
> metadata. Putting together a playlist involves describing the music or
> files I want without having to be concerned about the location of the
> data. 
> 
> On the "hunter-gatherer" backend, if a "new and improved" version of a
> file is posted the system can instantly tell simply by comparing the
> posted filesizes to the files it already has. Because the metadata is
> more comprehensive than just filenames (as in slocate) it can be
> smarter about telling the difference between, say, Al Cooper and Alice
> Cooper. But because it never -replaces- a file but only adds more,
> mistakes are easily corrected. This would allow building "smart agents"
> that can pool the array of resources available to a desktop machine (web
> search, p2p, torrent, usenet, irc etc) in "tivo like" fashion. The more
> data it collects the more it knows about your tastes and the better it
> is able to find other relevant data for the owner. And because it uses
> existing security models this can all be built to whatever level of
> paranoia the eu happens to feel prudent.
> 
> 

-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From ashwani at gisil.com  Tue Dec 13 12:26:06 2005
From: ashwani at gisil.com (Ashwani Jain)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:56:06 +0530
Subject: Postfix Problem - THANKS
Message-ID: <1134476766.9558.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi 

First of all thanks to Ubuntu Community and special thanks to Mr. Seth
Hasani, Mr. Mick Bird, Mr. Koybe.  With the help of these people I have
corrected the configuration file of postfix and now it can relay mails.
Also my fetchmail is working good now.

A little problem I am facing after correcting configuration is that now
it relays all the mail to the ISP server.  Whether its a mail for
account whose user account also exist on the same machine or for a POP
user.

Another is - I installed iPOPd server to activate POP3 server so that
users could collect mails using pop3 server (iPOPd version 7:2002).
When I ran port scan it showed pop 2 ports pop3 pop3s.  But when I
configure a client (Evolution or Thunderbird) it returns error:



Unable to connect to POP server 192.168.3.51.
Error sending username: -ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command

Please enter the POP password for test on host 192.168.3.51



Even after entering correct passwords for number of times it returns
same error.  Restarting the system also did not solve the problem.

Please help to configure pop also.

Thanks

Ashwani Jain

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From sepheebear at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 12:38:22 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:38:22 -0500
Subject: Repositiries
In-Reply-To: <20051212155937.88501.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212155937.88501.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051213123822.GC19293@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Anthony Gardner" on Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:59:37AM EST>

>  I'm using Breezy but when I try to change the repositories to include
>  community, non-free, it doesn't stay set.

AFAIK there is no community or non-free in Ubuntu. Those are from Debian.
Ubuntu uses restricted, universe, and multiverse. 

Hate to sound like a canned response, but it's not a good idea to mix
Debian and Ubuntu repositories. That's an easy way to cause a serious
headache. Especially if you use dist-upgrade which is the case when using
the upgrade packages feature in Synaptic.
    apt-get install pounding-migraine

>  I press Settings -> Repostories -> Add to add the repositories and then
>  press OK, then press OK in the main box (which then asks me to reload as
>  my repositories have changed.
>  
>  But if I press on Add again, they're not set.
>  
>  Even if I just press Add, click the check boxes, press OK, the go
>  straight back into Add, they're unchecked.
>  
>  If I uncheck restricted, ofiicial, when I go straight back in, they're
>  checked.

Could be some logic in Synaptic that knows there are no sections with those
names in Ubuntu repos, and rejects the change. Or could just be divine
intervention preventing you from doing that, who knows? If you feel Synaptic
isnt working correctly, submit a bug report. But in some circles, even
mentioning mixing repos is an easy way to get unsupported.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 12:32:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:32:31 -0500
Subject: Removable USB device very slow
References: <mailman.0.1100269208.14459.ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com><1100269839.20193.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20041112153754.GA13143@box79162.elkhouse.de>
Message-ID: <dgold.1zzawm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Martin Pitt Wrote: 
> Hi Olivier!

> 

> Olivier [2004-11-12 15:30 +0100]:

> > 

> > 	When my USB disk is plugged it is automatically mounted by HAL. But
> the

> > disk is mount with the sync option :

> > 

> > /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync)

> > 

> > 	Where can I change these options for HAL ?. I don't want to add
> entries

> > in fstab because I have different disk with different file-systems.

> 

> 

> In the near future, drives above 2 GB will automatically be mounted

> "async" which makes then a magnitude faster.

> 

> 



How can HAL be tuned so that it automatically mounts usb disks async? 

sync can destroy a disk in heavy usage in a few weeks, due to the write
limitations, and I'd prefer to have the ability to control this more
effectively.



Regards,



Daniel


-- 
dgold



From alain.muls at telenet.be  Tue Dec 13 12:57:37 2005
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (alain.muls at telenet.be)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:57:37 +0000
Subject: iFolder on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <W781251629231541134478657@hoboe1bl6.telenet-ops.be>

Hi,

I compiled  the simpleserver on my server and got it running (I hope ;-)) according to the following line

alain at geod01:~$ ps aux|grep -i server
root      6310  0.6  7.9  75996 25452 pts/0    Sl   10:19   1:19 /usr/bin/mono /usr/local/simias/web/bin/Simias.exe --port 8086 --ipcport 32769 --runasserver --datadir

Next I tried to compile the iFolder on my work PC, but I get a compilation error when compiling simias-event-client.c. The error is:

simias-event-client.c:40:25: error: libxml/tree.h: No such file or directory
simias-event-client.c:41:27: error: libxml/parser.h: No such file or directory
simias-event-client.c:42:26: error: libxml/xpath.h: No such file or directory
simias-event-client.c:43:35: error: libxml/xpathInternals.h: No such file or directory

There is a problem in the location of the libxml header files (they are located at /usr/include/libxml2/libxml.
When I add this path to the copmilation instruction, the compiltaion is OK. But I can hardly do that manually for every file. SO how can I instruct the autogen.sh script to include (-I switch of gcc) these files

Tx,
Alain





From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu  Tue Dec 13 13:12:05 2005
From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:12:05 -0500
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <1134430694.8422.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>
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Tim Frost wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 12:56 -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
> 
>>Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu packages
>>(acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem. nppdf.so are of
>>course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.
> 
> The plugin lives under /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins (there is a
> directory /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, which some packages install plugins
> into, but that seems to be ignored by firefox).  In my case, with flash,
> java, totem and acroread plugins installed, I have:
> $ ls -l usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
> total 2088
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root     856 2005-12-13 08:26 flashplayer.xpt
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 2096844 2005-12-13 08:26 libflashplayer.so
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      39 2005-12-13 08:05 libjavaplugin.so
> -> /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   24824 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.so
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root     168 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.xpt
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      50 2005-12-13 12:05 nppdf.so
> -> ../../Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so
> 
Yes, I have essentially the same.

>>I can reinstall the system from scratch, but it would be rally useful to
>> find out what causes this problem. No luck so far.

The problem was that libXt.so and libXext.so (libxt-dev, libxext-dev
packages) were missing. Starting firefox from the command line revealed
the error on missing libraries while trying to load nppdf.so. I think
those should be added to mozilla-acroread dependencies.

I haven't seen the problem before 'cause most likely some other packages
were already installed wich had libXt.so in their dependencies.

Sarunas
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From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 13:19:23 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2FyYW5nYW4gVGh1cmFpc2luZ2hhbSAvIOCupOCvgeCusOCviOCumuCuvw==?= =?UTF-8?B?4K6Z4K+N4K6V4K6u4K+NIOCumuCuvuCusOCumeCvjeCuleCuqeCvjQ==?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:19:23 +0000
Subject: Log entire system activity
Message-ID: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>

Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.

I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
network, etc

Is there anything like that at all?

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 13:32:19 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:32:19 -0500
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134480739.20935.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Look in /var/log ;D

~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:19 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம்
சாரங்கன் wrote:
> Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
> as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.
> 
> I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
> that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
> activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
> network, etc
> 
> Is there anything like that at all?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>   - Saru
> --------------------------------------------
> Sarangan Thuraisingham
> ECS, University of Southampton, UK
> 
> Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net
> 
>     Tux is the Best
>    Next is the Rest
> --------------------------------------------
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From luca76 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 13:49:59 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:49:59 +0100
Subject: [OT] Gimp: color to alpha?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512130549h6293e9b2m85255c80dec1c52b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I want to substitute a color to alpha.

The problem is that the Filter -> Colors -> Color to Alpha is not
"precise": I want tho change ONLY one color, not a range.

How can I do it?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From wade at wadesmart.com  Tue Dec 13 13:51:55 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:51:55 -0600
Subject: acroread plugin not working
In-Reply-To: <439EC8A5.60409@math.dartmouth.edu>
References: <439D983C.6010103@math.dartmouth.edu>	<439D9FB8.3090901@nordita.dk>	<439DA633.9010707@nordita.dk>	<439DB9BD.4040905@math.dartmouth.edu>	<1134430694.8422.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EC8A5.60409@math.dartmouth.edu>
Message-ID: <439ED1FB.8040902@wadesmart.com>

12132005 0750 GMT-5

I noticed as well that the plugin has stopped working on my system. It 
was fine and it fails to work at all. I started firefox via the cmd line 
but it started right up without any messages of errors.

Wade


Sarunas Burdulis wrote:

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>Tim Frost wrote:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 12:56 -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Removing acroread installed to /usr/local and installing ubuntu packages
>>>(acroread, mozilla-acroread) did not fix the problem. nppdf.so are of
>>>course identical in ubuntu .deb and Adobe's package.
>>>      
>>>
>>The plugin lives under /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins (there is a
>>directory /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, which some packages install plugins
>>into, but that seems to be ignored by firefox).  In my case, with flash,
>>java, totem and acroread plugins installed, I have:
>>$ ls -l usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
>>total 2088
>>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root     856 2005-12-13 08:26 flashplayer.xpt
>>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 2096844 2005-12-13 08:26 libflashplayer.so
>>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      39 2005-12-13 08:05 libjavaplugin.so
>>-> /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so
>>-rw-r--r--  1 root root   24824 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.so
>>-rw-r--r--  1 root root     168 2005-09-23 06:46 libtotem_mozilla.xpt
>>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      50 2005-12-13 12:05 nppdf.so
>>-> ../../Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so
>>
>>    
>>
>Yes, I have essentially the same.
>
>  
>
>>>I can reinstall the system from scratch, but it would be rally useful to
>>>find out what causes this problem. No luck so far.
>>>      
>>>
>
>The problem was that libXt.so and libXext.so (libxt-dev, libxext-dev
>packages) were missing. Starting firefox from the command line revealed
>the error on missing libraries while trying to load nppdf.so. I think
>those should be added to mozilla-acroread dependencies.
>
>I haven't seen the problem before 'cause most likely some other packages
>were already installed wich had libXt.so in their dependencies.
>
>Sarunas
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From whb at ceimaine.org  Tue Dec 13 14:06:22 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:06:22 -0500
Subject: <mail> command missing?
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A5DE@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:04 AM
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: <mail> command missing?
> 
> I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends).
> Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd.
> Have I missed something obvious?
> 
> It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell
command.
> 
> It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> /usr/bin/mail
> 
> David.
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

No MTA (such as postfix) is installed by default, so a lot of the basic
CLI mail apps are missing.  This is unfortunate, as Gnome's Bugbuddy
still tries to send a bug report through the local MTA and fails.



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Tue Dec 13 14:23:14 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:23:14 -0600
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <1134480739.20935.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
	<1134480739.20935.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439ED952.4060108@grm.net>

Chris Peterman wrote:

>Look in /var/log ;D
>
>~ Chris Peterman
>
>On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:19 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம்
>சாரங்கன் wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
>>as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.
>>
>>I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
>>that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
>>activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
>>network, etc
>>
>>Is there anything like that at all?
>>
>>-- 
>>Regards,
>>  - Saru
>>--------------------------------------------
>>Sarangan Thuraisingham
>>ECS, University of Southampton, UK
>>
>>Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net
>>
>>    Tux is the Best
>>   Next is the Rest
>>--------------------------------------------
>>
>>    
>>
install logcheck and checkinstall



From gmiller at tx.psych.uiuc.edu  Tue Dec 13 14:35:50 2005
From: gmiller at tx.psych.uiuc.edu (gmiller at tx.psych.uiuc.edu)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:35:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 168
In-Reply-To: <E1Em69s-0002kX-Pp@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <200512131435.jBDEZoto025897@tx.psych.uiuc.edu>

> I am particularly intrigued to read that a "byte" does not necessarily
> hold 8 bits. As a (young) electronic engineer I am scared to see that
> none of my professors throughout the years, never ever even vaguely
> suggested that a byte was not necessarily 8 bits.

Before the 16-bit DEC PDP-11 remade the computer architecture market in
the 1970s, the big mainframe manufacturers used proprietary standards in
place of what's now ASCII. Accordingly, the # of bits per character
varied. For lots of purposes, the upper-case alphabet and some
punctuation and symbols sufficed (this was before modern word
processing), so 7 bits was a lot to allocate to characters. 6-bit and
even more efficient representations were available. The choice for a
given machine had partially to do with the word size, and vice-versa
when designing a CPU.

The coin of the realm then was word size, not byte size, and the number
of bytes (characters) one could fit into a word varied by brand. There
was very little communication between different brands of machines and
thus no pressure to standardize on byte or word size. The common 32-,
36-, or 60-bit word size had implications for what would work easily for
representing text, what sorts of address references one could store
within a single instruction (= 1 word), etc.

The 12-bit PDP-8 used a 6-bit code for characters, thus had, in effect,
6-bit bytes and stored 2 characters per word, though in the absence of
word processing (and in the absence of direct byte addressing) it wasn't
very important. (Yes, direct addressing was limited to 2^12 words - in
routine Fortran, subroutines had to be less than 4096 words, including
array space.) The PDP-11 provided the radical option to address both
individual 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words directly. The Intel x86 family
borrowed that design, and 8 bits/character has sufficed until the need
for Unicode came along. The early propagation of Unix was primarily on
PDP-11s, so Unix/Linux is particularly connected to a vocabulary of
multiples of 8 bits. If we'd relied on a different alphabet, we'd have
settled on a different byte size.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 14:25:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:25:05 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
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on your r4000 did you get the broadcom wireless to work? I have a buddy
that bought a different model but it still has the broadcom wireless
chipset and he is not able to get the wireless working. Just thought
maybe you had already ran into this issue.


-- 
zenlakin



From wade at wadesmart.com  Tue Dec 13 14:42:02 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:42:02 -0600
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where, and by what name?
Message-ID: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>

12132005 0837 GMT-5

Im still not clear on some things with Linux.
Lets start with this: I like to use Opera sometimes instead of Firefox 
so, I want to download it. But since its not in Synaptic, I do sudo 
apt-get install opera. I receive a message saying its not available by 
that name.

How do you know know what the application you want is named as? Is it 
named as opera and the version number? Or some other scheme?

How do you learn about that?


Thanks.

Wade



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:00:20 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:00:20 -0500
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
Message-ID: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>

All right, I got somewhere with Linux video=ofonly (on my STOCK Mac mini)!

I can now see what happens at boot time if I use "Linux video=ofonly".

It seems that the Ubuntu splash screen* uses a video mode that's not
supported by my _graphics card_ (32 MB ATi Radeon 9200) and the video
signal goes dead. The monitor then goes to sleep until X starts (FYI:
monitor = 17" KDS Avitron AV-7TF... supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz,
1152*864 at 75Hz and 1024*768 at many rates)!

*splash screen = that fancy, graphical thing that's supposed to
"alleviate" users' fears, not make them think their computer died
;-PPPP

PS I'm fairly sure that the computer is not outputting a video signal
b/c the monitor will tell me if it's getting a signal that's outside
of its normal frequency & resolution range.

PSS hardware: Mac mini 1.25 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB drive (5.2 GB for
Linux), no extra hardware.

PS^3 I reinstalled the OS and STILL had the same problem.

So, what's the solution to this? If I boot without video=ofonly I will
eventually get the gdm but only after a significant wait. What
determines what video mode the splash screen will use?

Eric.

On 12/11/05, Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Try doing ctrl-alt-F1 and then log in and change the Xorg setting by
> doing:
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then choose vesa then at
> least you see something.
>
> Olafur Arason
> P.S you can file a bug with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at
> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
> 2005/12/9, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com>:
> > Hi all, I've got a bit of a funny problem (and thought I'd rename the thread).
> >
> > I installed Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) onto my Mac mini (512 MB RAM, 40 GB
> > HD (5.2 GB Ubuntu, 35 GB Mac OS X), 1.25 GHz G4, _no_ additional
> > hardware).
> >
> > The install process went fine. When the computer reboots I get the
> > normal two yaboot-related menus. Up to this point, no problems. When
> > Ubuntu continues booting past this point I get some text (which I'll
> > paste below) and then the screen goes to sleep (i.e. no signal coming
> > from the video card) and STAYS asleep.
> >
> > Ubuntu apparently boots normally, because I can cause it to shutdown
> > (halt) or reboot by typing "blindly" (ctrl-alt-F1 followed by
> > username, password... wait a second then enter 'sudo halt' followed by
> > the password for sudo at which point the computer beeps angrily and
> > promptly restarts/shuts down).
> >
> > How can I get video working? Do I need to reinstall or can I modify
> > yaboot using the live CD?
> >
> > Anyone run into this problem on the Mac mini?
> >
> > Thanks, Eric.
> >
> > FYI Here's what's displayed on my screen before it goes "down for the count":
> >
> > I'm running yaboot 1.313
> >
> > device=/pci at f4000000/ata-6 at d/disk at 0
> >
> > partition=3
> >
> > After allowing yaboot to load the kernel this is what appears (a white
> > screen with text flashes but it passes by too fast for me to capture):
> >
> > Welcome to Linux, kernel 2.6.12-9-powerpc
> >
> > linked at:          0xc0000000
> > frame buffer at  :0x9c008000  (phys), 0xd0008000  (log)
> > klimit:               0xc0320b20
> > MSR:                0x00003030
> > HID0:                0x8418c0bc
> >
> > pmac_init(): exit
> > id_mach(): done
> > MMU:enter
> > MMU:hw init
> > hash:enter
> > hash:find piece
> > hash:patch
> > hash:done
> > MMU:mapin
> > MMU:setio
> > MMU:exit
> > setup_arch: enter
> > setup_arch: bootmem
> > arch: exit
> > openpic: enter
> > openpic: timer
> > openpic: external
> > openpic: spurious
> > openpic: exit



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec 13 15:14:02 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:14:02 -0700
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <012701c5fff7$d9ea8ec0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Good morning!

If I suspect that Ubuntu has a package but I don't what Ubuntu calls it, I 
head here first: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/allpackages and start 
Ctrl-Fing

> How do you know know what the application you want is named as? Is it 
> named as opera and the version number? Or some other scheme?

If I have no luck here that means Ubuntu doesn't directly support/maintain 
the package (for instance, you won't see Pine here).

That doesn't mean a Ubuntu-useable version of the package does not exist, so 
the next step that I'd do would be to google for the package and Ubuntu 
hoping that someone has an Ubuntu-useable package and has provided its 
complete name. Doing this for Opera and Ubuntu got me this page: 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78468 among others ( )

HTH

Rob





From ed at fletcher.ca  Tue Dec 13 15:14:55 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:14:55 -0800
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512122349u6256ea91j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c5ffa6$ee718c00$0100007f@localhost>	<anil_robo.1zyj4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<80f459360512122250t50e1785bo@mail.gmail.com>	<439E7532.2020909@fletcher.ca>
	<80f459360512122349u6256ea91j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439EE56F.4080802@fletcher.ca>

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Aaron Kiley wrote:
| errr, It made it in to the mailing list mate, if it had not how could I
| have replied since I have not visited the fourm?
|
| On 13/12/05, *Ed Fletcher* < ed at fletcher.ca <mailto:ed at fletcher.ca>>
wrote:
|
| Jeez guys.  This is a spam that made it onto the forum but not the
| mailing list until someone replied.
|
| Let's not give it life by continuing this thread.
|
| Ed
|
| Aaron Kiley wrote:
| | More details,
| |
| | what are you asking exactly?
| |
| | On 13/12/05, *'Forum Post* <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org
~                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

| <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
| | <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org
| <mailto:ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>>> wrote:
| |
| |
| |     First, which website is it?
| |     Second, if it's not a very popular website, do a google search
| to know
| |     about the legal aspects.
| |     Third, post your results here.
| |
| |
| |     --
| |     anil_robo
| |

You replied to a forum post which was a reply to another forum post that
didn't get to the list.  I suspect that the original was screened out.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:16:10 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:16:10 -0300
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where, and by what
	name?
In-Reply-To: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1134486970.6933.21.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 08:42 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12132005 0837 GMT-5
> 
> Im still not clear on some things with Linux.
> Lets start with this: I like to use Opera sometimes instead of Firefox 
> so, I want to download it. But since its not in Synaptic, I do sudo 
> apt-get install opera. I receive a message saying its not available by 
> that name.
> 
> How do you know know what the application you want is named as? Is it 
> named as opera and the version number? Or some other scheme?
> 
> How do you learn about that?

Wade,

I usually use command line instead of synaptic but it works either way.

To make sure ATP (synaptic, too) is getting the info you need, you first
need to edit /etc/apt/source.list  file. I comment the line regarding to
CDrom and uncomment the universe lines and create a set of multiverse
lines (just copy paste the universe lines and replace the word for
multiverse)

After that,

$ apt-get update

$ apt-cache search opera     -> will present you with similar/related
packages

$ apt-cache show opera     -> This shows info specific to 'opera'.
'opera' = the package shown by by the previous command, of course.

$ apt-get install opera   -> of course, 'opera'= the package or packages
you want to install

Anyways, once your edited /etc/apt/source.list is saved, Synaptic should
provide same info that APT.
-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

[I dream of things that never were and say 'Why Not?']
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From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:16:57 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:16:57 -0500
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. I just switched to vt1 and noticed a bunch of error lines, the
last few read (I just booted without video=ofonly (openfirmware only
option)):

(the earlier errors are off the screen b/c I logged in on vt1)
A bunch of kernel driver related stuff:
insmod: can't read:
'/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko' :  No
such file or directory
insmod: can't read:
'/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vga16fb.ko' :  No
such file or directory
usplash: bogl-pcfb.c:194: bogl_pcfb_put: Assertion `yy >= 0 && yy < bogl_yres'

So, what does this mean? My kernel hasn't been installed properly?
Should I try re-installiing Ubuntu, again? Have I perhaps set up my
partitions & mount points improperly?

Mount:
/dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)

Hmm. Mount seems to suggest a few problems too? What's going on?

 sudo /sbin/fdisk -l
/dev/hda
        #                    type name                 length   base  
  ( size )  system
/dev/hda1     Apple_partition_map Apple                    63 @ 1     
  ( 31.5k)  Partition map
/dev/hda2         Apple_Bootstrap untitled               1954 @ 64    
  (977.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
/dev/hda3         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled           10228516 @ 2018  
  (  4.9G)  Linux native
/dev/hda4         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap                 517434 @
10230534 (252.7M)  Linux swap
/dev/hda5               Apple_HFS Apple_HFS_Untitled_2 67392176 @
10747968 ( 32.1G)  HFS
/dev/hda6              Apple_Free Extra                    16 @
78140144 (  8.0k)  Free space

Block size=512, Number of Blocks=78140160
DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0

Hmm. No time to trouble shoot right now. Perhaps I should try
re-installing once more and boot with Linux video=ofonly the first
time around and see if I can get things working properly, at least to
a limited extent.

Eric.

On 12/13/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> All right, I got somewhere with Linux video=ofonly (on my STOCK Mac mini)!
>
> I can now see what happens at boot time if I use "Linux video=ofonly".
>
> It seems that the Ubuntu splash screen* uses a video mode that's not
> supported by my _graphics card_ (32 MB ATi Radeon 9200) and the video
> signal goes dead. The monitor then goes to sleep until X starts (FYI:
> monitor = 17" KDS Avitron AV-7TF... supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz,
> 1152*864 at 75Hz and 1024*768 at many rates)!
>
> *splash screen = that fancy, graphical thing that's supposed to
> "alleviate" users' fears, not make them think their computer died
> ;-PPPP
>
> PS I'm fairly sure that the computer is not outputting a video signal
> b/c the monitor will tell me if it's getting a signal that's outside
> of its normal frequency & resolution range.
>
> PSS hardware: Mac mini 1.25 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB drive (5.2 GB for
> Linux), no extra hardware.
>
> PS^3 I reinstalled the OS and STILL had the same problem.
>
> So, what's the solution to this? If I boot without video=ofonly I will
> eventually get the gdm but only after a significant wait. What
> determines what video mode the splash screen will use?
>
> Eric.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 15:02:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:02:56 -0500
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <earobinson.1zziba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


synaptic is the gui version of apt-get. If you cant find it in one you
wont find it in the other


-- 
earobinson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 15:06:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:06:22 -0500
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <Rinzwind.1zziba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Well I had a similar problem:

I wanted to have my iRiver hooked up to my Ubuntu system.

What I did was open google and type:
Linux iRiver .deb

1st(!) page was 100% succes: http://ifpgui.sourceforge.net/

and now my iRiver has a gnome-gui when I have it connected.

Google my friend has all your answers.

Linux Opera .DEB 

does the same ;) 1st page gets you to a download. The crucial parts
here are to start with 'Linux' and have '.deb' in your search. That way
it'll also include .deb-packages. 
You could also search for tar.gz (gzipped file).

And if all fails: ASK HERE. I've found so many cool apps just cuz
someone asked about it on this forum :) :)


-- 
Rinzwind



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 15:08:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:08:19 -0500
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
	<Rinzwind.1zziba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <earobinson.1zziba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Rinzwind Wrote: 
> Well I had a similar problem:
> 
> I wanted to have my iRiver hooked up to my Ubuntu system.
> 
> What I did was open google and type:
> Linux iRiver .deb
> 
> 1st(!) page was 100% succes: http://ifpgui.sourceforge.net/
> 
> and now my iRiver has a gnome-gui when I have it connected.
> 
> Google my friend has all your answers.
> 
> Linux Opera .DEB 
> 
> does the same ;) 1st page gets you to a download. The crucial parts
> here are to start with 'Linux' and have '.deb' in your search. That way
> it'll also include .deb-packages. 
> You could also search for tar.gz (gzipped file).

NOTE: It is best to search ubuntu * .deb (Not all debs are ubuntu some
are for debian and they may work however they may also not work)


-- 
earobinson



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:19:16 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:19:16 -0500
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <439ED952.4060108@grm.net>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
	<1134480739.20935.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439ED952.4060108@grm.net>
Message-ID: <1134487156.720.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I can see logcheck...but why CheckInstall(ICK! CheckInstall, NASTY
thing)


~ Chris Peterman

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 08:23 -0600, cogyfarm wrote:
> Chris Peterman wrote:
> 
> >Look in /var/log ;D
> >
> >~ Chris Peterman
> >
> >On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:19 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம்
> >சாரங்கன் wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
> >>as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.
> >>
> >>I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
> >>that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
> >>activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
> >>network, etc
> >>
> >>Is there anything like that at all?
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>Regards,
> >>  - Saru
> >>--------------------------------------------
> >>Sarangan Thuraisingham
> >>ECS, University of Southampton, UK
> >>
> >>Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net
> >>
> >>    Tux is the Best
> >>   Next is the Rest
> >>--------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> install logcheck and checkinstall
> 
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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec 13 15:19:44 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:19:44 -0700
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <014201c5fff8$a5e04d80$0300a8c0@Ulysses>

Want to add to my last post that googling is good for getting "reviews" 
about other's experiences, rather like this one about Opera: 
http://www.livejournal.com/users/daveman692/187645.html Don't know what the 
current situation is.

YMMV Good luck

Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wade Smart" <wade at wadesmart.com>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:42 AM
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where, and by what name?


> 12132005 0837 GMT-5
>
> Im still not clear on some things with Linux.
> Lets start with this: I like to use Opera sometimes instead of Firefox so, 
> I want to download it. But since its not in Synaptic, I do sudo apt-get 
> install opera. I receive a message saying its not available by that name.
>
> How do you know know what the application you want is named as? Is it 
> named as opera and the version number? Or some other scheme?
>
> How do you learn about that?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wade
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users 




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 15:20:39 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:20:39 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc errors??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>

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I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc errors??

I got slightly off topic in a thread about getting mc and asked for
advice getting pine (the last of my "must have" console applications I
need to make ubuntu bearable...

I asked about a U Wash .deb file and a kind hearted list member replied...


It would appear that (in a previous thread) on Dec 12, Hodgins Family did say:

>Generally, attempts to cross-hybridize Debian and Ubuntu carry a caveat!---  be
>vewy cawefuw!
>
>Could give it a shot just to see what happens OR whip over to here:
>http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingUbuntuTOC
>and look for the line that says  "Compiling the Current version of Pine"
> 
>Might work OK if you compile from a tar file.

So I thought the wise thing to do was to attempt to figure out how to
build pine...

I compared the instructions in the above quoted link with what I could
find in U Wash's pages, and both sets of instructions were in basic
agreement. (provided that "slx" was the correct linux argument to pines
build command for ubuntu.) U wash also suggested doing a "build clean"
first however. Which is how I leaned that I needed to do an 
"apt-get install make" first. then on my next build attempt I got a
warning about not having openssl... "apt-get" again... But I got the build
warning again, This led me to some info on U Wash's page that said that
some linux use a non standard directory for openssl (IE NOT
/usr/local/ssl) which didn't exist on my machine and the man page didn't
say where openssl put it. So I searched around and found an /etc/ssl
with an certs dir in it so I added "SSLDIR" to the build command
"./build slx SSLDIR=/etc/ssl" And got a bit further. But it seamed I
also didn't have cc. So I did an apt-get for gcc. and tried again...

I got further this time... the 1st thing in the terminal window buffer
that looked like an error to me was:

In file included from osdep.c:41:
nl_unix.c: In function 'strcrlfcpy':
nl_unix.c:41: warning: pointer targets in assignment differ in signedness

There then followed many lines ending in "differ in signedness" <see
URL below for full error text...>

Then quite a few other errors prefixed with various .c and .h filenames

And finally terminating with:

+---------------------------------------------+
| Problems building c-client                  |
|                                             |
| Please check the output above for a         |
| possible explanation for this failure       |
+---------------------------------------------+


<Wimper>: could someone who has a clue please look at the error message
text at the url below  and let me in on the bad news???  the root shell
window snipage begins with the "apt-get install gcc" command and ends at
my wits end.

Thanks
 Joe


Tue Dec 13 10:16:35 EST 2005
The error text can (for at least the next 30 days) be found at:

http://members.ttlc.net/~jtwdyp/592LinesOfCapturedPineBuildError.txt



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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 15:42:08 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:42:08 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>

I assume you are used to it and so want to stick with it, but imho, pine 
is the worst mail client of all time.  Unless you get less than 20-30 
emails a week ( I get well over 1000 ) then I find that pine is 
completely unusable due to lack of indexed searching capability and 
memory mapped IO ( reading in an entire 100+ MB mailbox when you start 
it up takes a long time, and a lot of ram ).

I am not really familiar with other command line mail readers very much, 
but just about anything has to be better than pine.  Emacs has a mail 
and news reading mode, maybe you could look at that?  If I was stuck 
with just the command line all the time, I'd probably spend all my time 
in emacs so I could multi task.





From luca76 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:47:26 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:47:26 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu PowerPC Live CD and eMac
Message-ID: <bbda83370512130747t49d472a7y1c430971a646f1ee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, a my friend has a 700Mhz G4 eMac. The problem is that X server
doesn't start, I see a blank monitor (blank as powered down). when I
go to console (CTRL+F1) the monitor turns on and I see console, but I
cannot see X. Maybe monitor frequencies are wrong? Which are them?

p.s. the video card is a Nvidia Geforce 400 (I think)

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From whb at ceimaine.org  Tue Dec 13 15:50:25 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:50:25 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu PowerPC Live CD and eMac
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A636@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luca Manganelli
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:47 AM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Ubuntu PowerPC Live CD and eMac
> 
> Hi, a my friend has a 700Mhz G4 eMac. The problem is that X server
> doesn't start, I see a blank monitor (blank as powered down). when I
> go to console (CTRL+F1) the monitor turns on and I see console, but I
> cannot see X. Maybe monitor frequencies are wrong? Which are them?
> 
> p.s. the video card is a Nvidia Geforce 400 (I think)
> 

>From the command prompt, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
Keep hitting Enter to accept all the defaults.
When you get to the Monitor stuff, you will have 3 options, from Basic
to Advanced.  Choose basic, and choose a monitor resolution like
800x600.

See of that helps.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 15:50:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:50:26 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.1zzggm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <azcrumpty.1zzk5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


zenlakin Wrote: 
> on your r4000 did you get the broadcom wireless to work? I have a buddy
> that bought a different model but it still has the broadcom wireless
> chipset and he is not able to get the wireless working. Just thought
> maybe you had already ran into this issue.
I am able to set parameters, but I can not get it to connect to a
wavelan.  I also have not installed the WPA package, yet.  So I guess
the answer is no, I don't have the broadcom working.


-- 
azcrumpty



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:05:24 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:05:24 +0000
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>

Here's an unusual problem, but I hope not *too* unusual. I'm using
Breezy at home, but also Mac OS X (an iMac) and Windows (XP). All are
connected over a wireless network. I also have two Airport Express
boxes around for playing iTunes music in the kitchen and upstairs. I
have one printer shared by the Windows PC, which Ubuntu has no
problems using. I have another printer connected to one of the Airport
Expresses, which either the Windows box can use (via an IP address)
and the Mac can use (via bonjour).

(Yes, my home network is a bit complicated, and I haven't mentioned all of it.)

What's the easiest way to access that bonjour-connected printer from
Linux? I'm sure I can share it from Windows, but that gets turned off
now and again. Is there any way to directly access it over Linux?

I tried installing the bonjour-equivalent (I forget the name, I'm at
work) on Ubuntu, but the service-discovery-applet that comes with it
wouldn't start. No messages, no nothing, just doesn't start. I must be
missing something. And, even if that works and I'm able to *see* the
printer, I'm not sure how I'd actually be able to print to it.

-Eamonn



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 13 15:20:39 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:20:39 -0400
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <7f5373-p5a.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Wade Smart wrote:

> 12132005 0837 GMT-5
> 
> Im still not clear on some things with Linux.
> Lets start with this: I like to use Opera sometimes instead of Firefox
> so, I want to download it. But since its not in Synaptic, I do sudo
> apt-get install opera. I receive a message saying its not available by
> that name.
> 
> How do you know know what the application you want is named as? Is it
> named as opera and the version number? Or some other scheme?

Opera's not free software, and not available in Ubuntu (since I don't use
it, I don't know whether there are .debs available, somewhere else).

> How do you learn about that?

If looking for something I don't actually know the name of I'll usually use
kpackage.  Synaptic or Adept would do as well.

You should be able to use aptitude but I can never get an adequate result
from using the ~N form for wildcarding, so I'm not going to even try to
explain it :-)
-- 
derek




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:17:27 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:17:27 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu PowerPC Live CD and eMac
In-Reply-To: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A636@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A636@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512130817q2489f8e7v72296cae33fe896f@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry... no direct help for the original problem other than to say the
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg probably will fix your particular
problem.

On a related note:

Is there a problem with driver on Macs under Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy?)?
I'm having the OPPOSITE problem at the moment with my Mac mini:

X works, but when I switch to one of the terminals the monitor goes to
sleep. Switch back to X (control-alt (option)-F7) and the screen wakes
up.

The splash screen also doesn't display, unless I append 'video=ofonly'
at initial boot in yaboot (in which case the vterminals also work).

Eric.

On 12/13/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> > bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luca Manganelli
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:47 AM
> > To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> > Subject: Ubuntu PowerPC Live CD and eMac
> >
> > Hi, a my friend has a 700Mhz G4 eMac. The problem is that X server
> > doesn't start, I see a blank monitor (blank as powered down). when I
> > go to console (CTRL+F1) the monitor turns on and I see console, but I
> > cannot see X. Maybe monitor frequencies are wrong? Which are them?
> >
> > p.s. the video card is a Nvidia Geforce 400 (I think)
> >
>
> >From the command prompt, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
> Keep hitting Enter to accept all the defaults.
> When you get to the Monitor stuff, you will have 3 options, from Basic
> to Advanced.  Choose basic, and choose a monitor resolution like
> 800x600.
>
> See of that helps.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 16:16:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:16:38 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zwhza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zxs9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxu4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzggm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zzk5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.1zzl3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


so the only way you are able to connect is through the lan right?


-- 
zenlakin



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:25:53 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:25:53 -0500
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512130825k59513479j6eea4fb58874146@mail.gmail.com>

All right, just re-installed Ubuntu. I deleted the partitions the
previous install was on and allowed Ubuntu to "Use the largest free
space".

Allowed it to install. First reboot I made sure that I used video=ofonly:
Linux video=ofonly

The install worked (apparently).

Rebooted, allowed it to boot (without video=ofonly), splash screen
doesn't appear (monitor turns off), screen appears with X. If I switch
to a vt (e.g. ctrl-alt-F1) the monitor turns off. Switch back to X
(vt7) it turns on again.

Mount in the terminal gives same output as in the earlier install
(where I probably interrupted the "final" install through a sudo
reboot, blindly typed into a vt).

What's going on? Is something pooched on my particular Mac mini (seems
unlikely given that X loads and displays) or is the Mac mini still too
new for Linux to have worked out the kinks (the video card has been
around for a few years now so that seems unlikely).

Eric.

On 12/13/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm. I just switched to vt1 and noticed a bunch of error lines, the
> last few read (I just booted without video=ofonly (openfirmware only
> option)):
>
> (the earlier errors are off the screen b/c I logged in on vt1)
> A bunch of kernel driver related stuff:
> insmod: can't read:
> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko' :  No
> such file or directory
> insmod: can't read:
> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vga16fb.ko' :  No
> such file or directory
> usplash: bogl-pcfb.c:194: bogl_pcfb_put: Assertion `yy >= 0 && yy < bogl_yres'
>
> So, what does this mean? My kernel hasn't been installed properly?
> Should I try re-installiing Ubuntu, again? Have I perhaps set up my
> partitions & mount points improperly?
>
> Mount:
> /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
> tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)
>
> Hmm. Mount seems to suggest a few problems too? What's going on?
>
>  sudo /sbin/fdisk -l
> /dev/hda
>         #                    type name                 length   base
>   ( size )  system
> /dev/hda1     Apple_partition_map Apple                    63 @ 1
>   ( 31.5k)  Partition map
> /dev/hda2         Apple_Bootstrap untitled               1954 @ 64
>   (977.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
> /dev/hda3         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled           10228516 @ 2018
>   (  4.9G)  Linux native
> /dev/hda4         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap                 517434 @
> 10230534 (252.7M)  Linux swap
> /dev/hda5               Apple_HFS Apple_HFS_Untitled_2 67392176 @
> 10747968 ( 32.1G)  HFS
> /dev/hda6              Apple_Free Extra                    16 @
> 78140144 (  8.0k)  Free space
>
> Block size=512, Number of Blocks=78140160
> DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0
>
> Hmm. No time to trouble shoot right now. Perhaps I should try
> re-installing once more and boot with Linux video=ofonly the first
> time around and see if I can get things working properly, at least to
> a limited extent.
>
> Eric.
>
> On 12/13/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > All right, I got somewhere with Linux video=ofonly (on my STOCK Mac mini)!
> >
> > I can now see what happens at boot time if I use "Linux video=ofonly".
> >
> > It seems that the Ubuntu splash screen* uses a video mode that's not
> > supported by my _graphics card_ (32 MB ATi Radeon 9200) and the video
> > signal goes dead. The monitor then goes to sleep until X starts (FYI:
> > monitor = 17" KDS Avitron AV-7TF... supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz,
> > 1152*864 at 75Hz and 1024*768 at many rates)!
> >
> > *splash screen = that fancy, graphical thing that's supposed to
> > "alleviate" users' fears, not make them think their computer died
> > ;-PPPP
> >
> > PS I'm fairly sure that the computer is not outputting a video signal
> > b/c the monitor will tell me if it's getting a signal that's outside
> > of its normal frequency & resolution range.
> >
> > PSS hardware: Mac mini 1.25 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB drive (5.2 GB for
> > Linux), no extra hardware.
> >
> > PS^3 I reinstalled the OS and STILL had the same problem.
> >
> > So, what's the solution to this? If I boot without video=ofonly I will
> > eventually get the gdm but only after a significant wait. What
> > determines what video mode the splash screen will use?
> >
> > Eric.
>



From mikeosmith at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:26:53 2005
From: mikeosmith at gmail.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:26:53 -0500
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d46325db0512130826ka6202a9k9ea8146fd512ff64@mail.gmail.com>

Not a Mac guy, but maybe:
http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi

and

http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2005/11/01/0

will be helpful.



From radsky at ncia.net  Tue Dec 13 16:30:16 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:30:16 -0500
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <200512130044.16977.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
	<200512130044.16977.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
Message-ID: <439EF718.8070800@ncia.net>

roach wrote:
> On Monday 12 December 2005 19:17, alex wrote:
> <...>
> 
>>This Lycoris is too old and won't install on my newer computer but I
>>still have the CD.  Is it legal to get only this desktop background
>>scene from the Lycoris install CD to install in ubuntu and if so, is it
>>possible and how might it be done?
> 
> 
> http://www.linuxos.sk/index2.php?id=wallpapers4
> 
> http://www.linuxos.sk/downloads/wallpapers/winter trees.jpg

These,(and several others), have some nice scenes but not the specific 
one I'm looking for.
> 
> On my Lycoris CD it's in:
> 
> /media/cd/rl/install/RPMS/kdeconfig-1.2-138rl.noarch.rpm

On my Lycoris CD, the closest I can find to your example is:

    rl/install/RPMS/kdeconfig-1.1g-46rl.noarch.rpm

> To get it out:

> alien -t kdeconfig-1.2-138rl.noarch.rpm
> 
   I tried :

    alien -t kdeconfig-1.1g-46rl.noarch.rpm

         no success
> 
> 
> It's at:
> 
> /opt/kde2/share/wallpapers/winter trees.jpg
I'm not sure of where this is.
Are we talking about ubuntu?  /opt is empty in
mine --I don't have kde2 installed in my ubuntu.

> 
> Images normally inherent the permissions of their package, unless stated 
> otherwise. I've found no such statement - enjoy. :-)
> 
> Now if only I could find a copy of Knoppix 3.1's wallpaper. :-(

Sorry, the best I can do is 3.2.
> 
> All the best.
> 
Thanks, same 2U    alex



From piller at visi.net  Tue Dec 13 16:26:05 2005
From: piller at visi.net (Chip Piller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:26:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: liveCD custom kernel and artwork, breezy
Message-ID: <loom.20051213T172024-97@post.gmane.org>

Hi, I have successfully built a custom breezy liveCD using info on the
LiveCDCustomizationHowTo.  The howto seems geared towards hoary but it worked
for breezy.

How do I get the liveCD to boot the newer updated kernel?

I have a custom bootsplash working, how do I change the ubuntu artwork that is
displayed during the boot process?

Thanks,
Chip





From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:36:30 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:06:30 +0530
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
In-Reply-To: <7f5373-p5a.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
	<7f5373-p5a.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512130836n7922be7bqc587a185028f41fe@mail.gmail.com>

download opera here
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/opera/linux/851/final/en/i386/opera_8.51-20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb
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From theine at nordita.dk  Tue Dec 13 16:51:31 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:51:31 +0000
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's
	cc	errors??
In-Reply-To: <439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <439EFC13.7040703@nordita.dk>

 > I am not really familiar with other command line mail readers very
 > much, but just about anything has to be better than pine.

I heard good things about mutt.

Tobi



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:56:39 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:56:39 -0500
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512130825k59513479j6eea4fb58874146@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130825k59513479j6eea4fb58874146@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512130856n34d0aff3pa456d8667571eb03@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. Just updated everything, including new kernel. The screen now
always stays on (no longer turns off) and the vts keep the screen on
as does X (vt1-vt7).

However, the splash still doesn't display, and, on vt1 are the same
errors as were displayed with my previous install, except the version
number has changed from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.12-10:

> A bunch of kernel driver related stuff:
> insmod: can't read:
> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko' :  No
> such file or directory
> insmod: can't read:
> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vga16fb.ko' :  No
> such file or directory
> usplash: bogl-pcfb.c:194: bogl_pcfb_put: Assertion `yy >= 0 && yy < bogl_yres'

mount also gives the following:
mount
/dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-powerpc/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)

So, what's going on?

Eric.



On 12/13/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> All right, just re-installed Ubuntu. I deleted the partitions the
> previous install was on and allowed Ubuntu to "Use the largest free
> space".
>
> Allowed it to install. First reboot I made sure that I used video=ofonly:
> Linux video=ofonly
>
> The install worked (apparently).
>
> Rebooted, allowed it to boot (without video=ofonly), splash screen
> doesn't appear (monitor turns off), screen appears with X. If I switch
> to a vt (e.g. ctrl-alt-F1) the monitor turns off. Switch back to X
> (vt7) it turns on again.
>
> Mount in the terminal gives same output as in the earlier install
> (where I probably interrupted the "final" install through a sudo
> reboot, blindly typed into a vt).
>
> What's going on? Is something pooched on my particular Mac mini (seems
> unlikely given that X loads and displays) or is the Mac mini still too
> new for Linux to have worked out the kinks (the video card has been
> around for a few years now so that seems unlikely).
>
> Eric.
>



From theine at nordita.dk  Tue Dec 13 17:02:14 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:02:14 +0000
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
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 > Which is how I leaned that I needed to do an "apt-get install make"
 > first.

Make sure you do

   apt-get install build-essential

before your next attempt of building skype. As the name suggests, this
package depends on essential tools (make, gcc, ...) for building from
source.

 > then on my next build attempt I got a warning about not having
 > openssl... "apt-get" again... But I got the build warning again.

You probably need to "apt-get install libssl-dev". In most cases, when
you get errors about missing libraries during the ./configure stage, you
need to install the corresponding *-dev package. If ./configure
complains about a missing library foobar, this is usually called
foobar-dev, but there are exceptions (as in the case of openssl for
instance).

Regards,
Tobi



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 17:21:27 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:21:27 -0500
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051213165127.ad4ea343.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Peter Garrett did say:

> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:01:37 -0500
> "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> wrote:
> 
> > nah, a kubuntu expert install with a root login, run level three start
> > up, And a few cherished console tools is as far as I'll have to go to do
> > my own thing with it. <grin>
> 
> Note that a 'runlevel three start up' won't do what you would expect on
> Fedora/mandrake et al.
> 
> Debian runs X in runlevel 2 by default- if you want a non-graphical login
> the easiest way would be to disable the *dm (probably kdm in your case).
> Of course if you want to spend time learning to customise your runlevels,
> feel free ;-)
> 
> One way to do this is to replace /usr/bin/kdm with "false" or "goaway"
> or whatever you like, in the file
> 
> /etc/X11/default-display-manager
> 
> Actually Peter Lieverdink pointed this out a while ago, but maybe you
> didn't have time to read that post <grin>.

Well I can't remember if I read that one or not... But I sure noticed the
effect... <grin>
So after much moaning & groaning I pleaded for help in a thread I started
with a "Subject: id:3:initdefault: in /etc/inittab doesn't do it?????"

Whereupon a mysterious benefactor named James did kindly respond:

=> If you use kdm:
=> sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove
=> 
=> Replace "kdm" with either "gdm" or "xdm" if you use a different login
=> manager.

Which worked like a charm... {OH happy happy joy joy...}

Of course, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that I have no idea how
to put it back if I should change my mind... <wicked grin>


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From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:38:14 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:38:14 +0000
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <d46325db0512130826ka6202a9k9ea8146fd512ff64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512130826ka6202a9k9ea8146fd512ff64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512130938l2c97959di@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/12/05, Mike Smith <mikeosmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a Mac guy, but maybe:
> http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi
>
> and
>
> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2005/11/01/0
>
> will be helpful.

Not a Mac guy, either. That's the problem. My computer is the Breezy one.

Thanks for these. I'll try this tonight. I'm still not clear how I
would connect a printer visible over Avahi to CUPS so that it shows up
as an available option in OpenOffice, etc.

-Eamonn



From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:56:27 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:26:27 +0530
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <439EF718.8070800@ncia.net>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
	<200512130044.16977.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
	<439EF718.8070800@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512130956n6c8df737tf394bae11189762e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, alex <radsky at ncia.net> wrote:
>
> > /opt/kde2/share/wallpapers/winter trees.jpg
> I'm not sure of where this is.
> Are we talking about ubuntu?  /opt is empty in
> mine --I don't have kde2 installed in my ubuntu.



gnome bgs are in /usr/share/backgrounds/
copy it into the above folder. but you have to add it via add wallpaper.

and also
sudo chown -R /usr/share/background

revant
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 17:43:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:43:56 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
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zenlakin Wrote: 
> so the only way you are able to connect is through the lan right?
Sort of.  A compatible WIFI card such as my trusty Orinico card works
in the PCMCIA port, which enables wireless.  The linux-on-laptops shows
the wireless cards to work with the R4000, however, most threads here
show it to be quite painful.  Some peole suggest using a compatible car
instead of the broadcomm.

But the lan is okay for.  At 8 lbs, I don't move the laptop around
much. :)


-- 
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 17:57:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:57:44 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
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I found this and thought it might be helpful. 

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683



I also have to still get x running. Didn't have time last night to
download the xorg.conf file from your site but I will try to tonight.


-- 
zenlakin



From T.Six at gmx.de  Tue Dec 13 18:00:37 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:00:37 +0100
Subject: PPPoE
In-Reply-To: <20051212234125.66584.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212234125.66584.qmail@web42208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dnn285$jcb$1@sea.gmane.org>

Renato Henriques schrieb am 13.12.2005 00:41:
> I can only check configurations for ethernet cable or ppp dial up. What
> if I have in hands a DSL connection?  Is it under my nose or what?
> 
> Input needed and appreciated
> 
>  Renato Henriques 

plug in the ethernet cable from the DSL-Modem to your computer.
Then:
sudo pppoeconf

bye Thilo




From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 18:10:29 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:10:29 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
 errors??
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Phillip Susi did say:

> I assume you are used to it and so want to stick with it, but imho, pine is
> the worst mail client of all time.  Unless you get less than 20-30 emails a
> week ( I get well over 1000 ) then I find that pine is completely unusable due
> to lack of indexed searching capability and memory mapped IO ( reading in an
> entire 100+ MB mailbox when you start it up takes a long time, and a lot of
> ram ).
> 
> I am not really familiar with other command line mail readers very much, but
> just about anything has to be better than pine.  Emacs has a mail and news
> reading mode, maybe you could look at that?  If I was stuck with just the
> command line all the time, I'd probably spend all my time in emacs so I could
> multi task.


Well to this I can only say "to each his own" As to how many emails I
get, well I've been using it for years, and have at times been signed
up for several verbose mailing lists. Sufficiently so to choke my
mailbox if I didn't remember to run fetchmail. (err that was before I
discovered that MANY mailing lists could be had at news.gmane.org
leaving my actual mailbox free for (mostly spam <sigh>) other mail.

Either way the trick to using pine efficiently with large mailboxes is
to download them to local mail/news spools or mailbox files where pine
doesn't try to SORT the whole remote mailbox through the network
connection... I won't pretend it'd search capability impress me but
it has other uses. One of which is that I don't have to put up with an
annoying point n click interface to use it. But please try to avoid
saying things like: "worst mail client of all time",  & "just about
anything has to be better than" my choice in software tools or I might be
tempted to restart the great holy war saying something similar about your
chosen emacs...

vi RULES FOREVER! (except where superseded by vim...)



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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 18:19:39 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:19:39 -0500
Subject: Desktop background from another Linux OS.
In-Reply-To: <439EF718.8070800@ncia.net>
References: <439DB0B8.2090606@ncia.net>
	<200512130044.16977.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
	<439EF718.8070800@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512131019q78d7e505q1d0d2c22efd430e3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, alex <radsky at ncia.net> wrote:
>
> On my Lycoris CD, the closest I can find to your example is:
>
>     rl/install/RPMS/kdeconfig-1.1g-46rl.noarch.rpm
>
> > To get it out:
>
> > alien -t kdeconfig-1.2-138rl.noarch.rpm
> >
>    I tried :
>
>     alien -t kdeconfig-1.1g-46rl.noarch.rpm
>
>          no success
>


Hard to tell what failure you had.

First, "alien -t" is designed to convert an RPM file to a .tgz file.  Then
you can open it in the File Browser and look for the picture you want.

Second, the problem may have been the path, the need to use sudo, or the
output needing to be on a writeable medium.  This should fix all three at
once:

"cd /tmp"
"sudo alien -t /media/cdrom/rl/install/RPMS/kdeconfig-1.1g-46rl.noarch.rpm"

The .tgz file will be in /tmp.

--
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 13 18:37:07 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:37:07 -0800
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
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On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:10 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
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> 
> vi RULES FOREVER! (except where superseded by vim...)
> 
> 

</snip>

As far as I know ....  FreeBSD in the only one to run vi.

Everyone else uses.....Some sort of vim..  You can type vi but, it is
pointer to something else..

YMMV

Vram


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From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 18:14:10 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:14:10 +0000
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <439F0F72.3070302@yahoo.co.uk>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> Here's an unusual problem, but I hope not *too* unusual. I'm using
> Breezy at home, but also Mac OS X (an iMac) and Windows (XP). All are
> connected over a wireless network. I also have two Airport Express
> boxes around for playing iTunes music in the kitchen and upstairs. I
> have one printer shared by the Windows PC, which Ubuntu has no
> problems using. I have another printer connected to one of the Airport
> Expresses, which either the Windows box can use (via an IP address)
> and the Mac can use (via bonjour).
> 
> (Yes, my home network is a bit complicated, and I haven't mentioned all of it.)
> 
> What's the easiest way to access that bonjour-connected printer from
> Linux? I'm sure I can share it from Windows, but that gets turned off
> now and again. Is there any way to directly access it over Linux?
> 
> I tried installing the bonjour-equivalent (I forget the name, I'm at
> work) on Ubuntu, but the service-discovery-applet that comes with it
> wouldn't start. No messages, no nothing, just doesn't start. I must be
> missing something. And, even if that works and I'm able to *see* the
> printer, I'm not sure how I'd actually be able to print to it.
> 
> -Eamonn

hello

zeroconf (bonjour), is just a protocol for IP address asignment, name resolution and service solicitation. It basically saves you having to set up a dhcp and dns server (and reconfigure it when ever a new computer/server arrived.)

i am not completely sure what protocol that actual printing is done with. it could be CUPS or SMB, but i'm not sure.

have you got to a point the point where you can ping the macs and airport expresses by their bonjour names? if so you have got as far zeroconf is going to get you.

i recomend that you install ethereal, and do some traffic listening.

or see if the gnome printer control panel can detect a printer.

sam

		
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From mikeosmith at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 18:57:46 2005
From: mikeosmith at gmail.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:57:46 -0500
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512130938l2c97959di@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512130826ka6202a9k9ea8146fd512ff64@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130938l2c97959di@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d46325db0512131057u6e9e6289y7ff116ab6a7b65cb@mail.gmail.com>

As I understand it Bounjour (presumably Avahi too) will show you a
list of available "services" on your network. I'm imagining Avahi will
add the ability to connect to Bonjour capable services advertised on
your network. Good luck.



From T.Six at gmx.de  Tue Dec 13 19:04:47 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:04:47 +0100
Subject: removable Media not mounted
In-Reply-To: <439E77FD.5000401@bengelhaus.de>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>	<dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>	<dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<439E77FD.5000401@bengelhaus.de>
Message-ID: <dnn60f$39r$1@sea.gmane.org>

Sven Wagschal schrieb am 13.12.2005 08:27:

> Hello,
> 
> maybe this thread can be helpfull:
> <http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=90656&highlight=Breezy+Floppy+Disk+Bug>
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> S. Wagschal

ok now it is getting really strange.
I have on my computer 2 Ubutnu installed.
one "backup system"
one "every day use system"

the backup system have i not booted for some days. Today i booted it
did the update to the latested availble packages from Ubuntu and tried
it there.

it works. same computer, same home, same sources.list and fstab is the
same also, execpt the / line

? ? ?

# apt-cache policy pmount
pmount:
  Installiert:0.9.5-0ubuntu5
  Mögliche Pakete:0.9.5-0ubuntu5
  Versions-Tabelle:
 *** 0.9.5-0ubuntu5 0
        500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

I´ve also tried the suggested update to pmount 0.9.6.1 but no change.

How do i find the difference between them? Where should i look?

thank you.

bye Thilo




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 19:14:41 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:14:41 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131234540.2716@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131234540.2716@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439F1DA1.9080201@cfl.rr.com>

It has been a long time since I used pine, but IIRC, I was using 
fetchmail to get the mail, the problem was that pine read()s in and 
parses the entire mailbox every time you open it.  That takes a LONG 
time with a 50 MB mailbox.  I decided a long time ago that any mail 
reader worth a salt keeps a separate index file and memory maps the main 
mail file so it can handle arbitrarily large mailboxes with ease.

Surely there has to be a command line mail reader that can do this?

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> Well to this I can only say "to each his own" As to how many emails I
> get, well I've been using it for years, and have at times been signed
> up for several verbose mailing lists. Sufficiently so to choke my
> mailbox if I didn't remember to run fetchmail. (err that was before I
> discovered that MANY mailing lists could be had at news.gmane.org
> leaving my actual mailbox free for (mostly spam <sigh>) other mail.
> 
> Either way the trick to using pine efficiently with large mailboxes is
> to download them to local mail/news spools or mailbox files where pine
> doesn't try to SORT the whole remote mailbox through the network
> connection... I won't pretend it'd search capability impress me but
> it has other uses. One of which is that I don't have to put up with an
> annoying point n click interface to use it. But please try to avoid
> saying things like: "worst mail client of all time",  & "just about
> anything has to be better than" my choice in software tools or I might be
> tempted to restart the great holy war saying something similar about your
> chosen emacs...
> 
> vi RULES FOREVER! (except where superseded by vim...)
> 




From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Tue Dec 13 19:16:52 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:16:52 -0800
Subject: 'moving' ubuntu to new laptop...
In-Reply-To: <1134295164.7989.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134217455.8442.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051210225907.GA10600@home.tig-grr.com>
	<1134295164.7989.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051213191652.GB943@home.tig-grr.com>

> I actually had in mind netcat instead of tar:
> 
> oldmachine# tar cvf - bin boot ... | nc newmachine 9876
> newmachine# nc -l -p 9876 | tar xvf -
> 
> Much faster then going trough ssh :)

Sure, anything to pipe data in an 8-bit clean fashion.

> But, I did a fresh install, now I'm seeking for the best way to
> sinchronize packages between two.

See dpkg options --[gs]et-selections, eg:

  # dpkg --get-selections | ssh otherbox "dpkg --set-selections"

Then there is /home, /etc, /var, /usr/local, ...



From pablo.fernandez at reliable.com.ar  Tue Dec 13 19:16:54 2005
From: pablo.fernandez at reliable.com.ar (=?utf-8?q?Jos=C3=A9_Pablo_Ezequiel_Fern=C3=A1ndez?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:16:54 -0300
Subject: kernel module packages with module-assistant
Message-ID: <200512131616.56122.pablo.fernandez@reliable.com.ar>

Hello,
I have created a kernel module package with module-assistant (zaptel-module), 
my problem is that it ends on /lib/modules/2.6.12 instead 
of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/.
Where's the problem and how can I fix it ?
Thank you.
-- 
José Pablo Ezequiel Fernández



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Tue Dec 13 19:20:02 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:20:02 -0600
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 168
In-Reply-To: <200512131435.jBDEZoto025897@tx.psych.uiuc.edu>
References: <200512131435.jBDEZoto025897@tx.psych.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <439F1EE2.4010508@grm.net>

gmiller at tx.psych.uiuc.edu wrote:

>>I am particularly intrigued to read that a "byte" does not necessarily
>>hold 8 bits. As a (young) electronic engineer I am scared to see that
>>none of my professors throughout the years, never ever even vaguely
>>suggested that a byte was not necessarily 8 bits.
>>    
>>
>
>Before the 16-bit DEC PDP-11 remade the computer architecture market in
>the 1970s, the big mainframe manufacturers used proprietary standards in
>place of what's now ASCII. Accordingly, the # of bits per character
>varied. For lots of purposes, the upper-case alphabet and some
>punctuation and symbols sufficed (this was before modern word
>processing), so 7 bits was a lot to allocate to characters. 6-bit and
>even more efficient representations were available. The choice for a
>given machine had partially to do with the word size, and vice-versa
>when designing a CPU.
>
>The coin of the realm then was word size, not byte size, and the number
>of bytes (characters) one could fit into a word varied by brand. There
>was very little communication between different brands of machines and
>thus no pressure to standardize on byte or word size. The common 32-,
>36-, or 60-bit word size had implications for what would work easily for
>representing text, what sorts of address references one could store
>within a single instruction (= 1 word), etc.
>
>The 12-bit PDP-8 used a 6-bit code for characters, thus had, in effect,
>6-bit bytes and stored 2 characters per word, though in the absence of
>word processing (and in the absence of direct byte addressing) it wasn't
>very important. (Yes, direct addressing was limited to 2^12 words - in
>routine Fortran, subroutines had to be less than 4096 words, including
>array space.) The PDP-11 provided the radical option to address both
>individual 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words directly. The Intel x86 family
>borrowed that design, and 8 bits/character has sufficed until the need
>for Unicode came along. The early propagation of Unix was primarily on
>PDP-11s, so Unix/Linux is particularly connected to a vocabulary of
>multiples of 8 bits. If we'd relied on a different alphabet, we'd have
>settled on a different byte size.
>
>  
>
but you left out the all important nibble :(
nice stroll down memory lane.
Troy



From corvin_russell at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 19:28:05 2005
From: corvin_russell at yahoo.com (Corvin Russell)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:28:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ndiswrapper + add/delete interface buttons in network-admin
Message-ID: <20051213192805.65682.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I am new to Ubuntu but a long time SuSE user. I've
installed Ubuntu on a spare computer and I'm trying to
get the network up and running. The only available
network connection is wireless. I need to add the
wireless interface, but when I bring up network-admin
it does not show the "add" or "delete" buttons for the
interfaces. How can I change this? Failing that, how
should I add the interfaces?

Thanks in advance. 

Corvin

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From whb at ceimaine.org  Tue Dec 13 19:28:03 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:28:03 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's
	ccerrors??
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A6EB@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Susi
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:15 PM
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> Subject: Re: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's
> ccerrors??

Pine was dropped by many free distributions due to licensing issues.
Mutt perhaps a little more difficult to use at first, but is a very
popular CLI mail client.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 19:22:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:22:54 -0500
Subject: removable Media
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>	<dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>	<dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org><439E77FD.5000401@bengelhaus.de>
	<dnn60f$39r$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <teaker1s.1zzucm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


volume manager crapped out on me and that's how mine was fixed


-- 
teaker1s



From petong at jah.net  Tue Dec 13 19:41:30 2005
From: petong at jah.net (Pete Hicks)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:41:30 -0800
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512130856n34d0aff3pa456d8667571eb03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130825k59513479j6eea4fb58874146@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130856n34d0aff3pa456d8667571eb03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051213194130.GD20344@mail.jah.net>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 11:56:39AM -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
>Hmm. Just updated everything, including new kernel. The screen now
>always stays on (no longer turns off) and the vts keep the screen on
>as does X (vt1-vt7).
>
>However, the splash still doesn't display, and, on vt1 are the same
>errors as were displayed with my previous install, except the version
>number has changed from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.12-10:
>
>> A bunch of kernel driver related stuff:
>> insmod: can't read:
>> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko' :  No
>> such file or directory
>> insmod: can't read:
>> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vga16fb.ko' :  No
>> such file or directory
>> usplash: bogl-pcfb.c:194: bogl_pcfb_put: Assertion `yy >= 0 && yy < bogl_yres'
>

The errors you see, and the reason you can not see video until X starts,
is that you are starting up in framebuffer mode.



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 20:03:48 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:03:48 +0000
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
Message-ID: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Anybody know what happened to the gnome-look.org website?

Cheers
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From smartssa at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 20:09:18 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:09:18 -0500
Subject: ndiswrapper + add/delete interface buttons in network-admin
In-Reply-To: <20051213192805.65682.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051213192805.65682.qmail@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512131209s66113ef8x8d25831daa3076b0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Corvin Russell <corvin_russell at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am new to Ubuntu but a long time SuSE user. I've
> installed Ubuntu on a spare computer and I'm trying to
> get the network up and running. The only available
> network connection is wireless. I need to add the
> wireless interface, but when I bring up network-admin
> it does not show the "add" or "delete" buttons for the
> interfaces. How can I change this? Failing that, how
> should I add the interfaces?

The devices that show up are loaded network drivers.

You'll need to configure the driver for your wireless, then it will
show up and you can then use the 'configure' button to do so.

failing that, you can always manually edit /etc/network/interfaces

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From chris at bitspace.org  Tue Dec 13 20:17:42 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:17:42 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
In-Reply-To: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>

leon wrote:
> Anybody know what happened to the gnome-look.org website?
>   
Funny thing is... it was originally art.gnome.org, and then that lost 
maintenance for a long time, and the kde people seemed to take 
gnome-look.org under their umbrella (I know, odd, but gnome-look.org was 
one of the links on kde-look.org). However, neither of those is 
responding, which leads me to believe they run on the same server. 
art.gnome.org is still up, and I think it has mostly the same content as 
gnome-look.org.

-- 
 Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods




From tech_dev at wildintellect.com  Tue Dec 13 20:20:02 2005
From: tech_dev at wildintellect.com (Alex Mandel)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:20:02 -0800
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <439DA2C7.30502@schildbach.de>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
	<439DA2C7.30502@schildbach.de>
Message-ID: <dnnaaq$j8j$1@sea.gmane.org>

I've had good luck with xtightvnc. I configure my 1024x768 screen to
come over as a window 900x700 with the -geometry 900x700 when I launch
the server through ssh.

You can probably find the toggle for not sharing the display and scaling
on your local command to launch the viewer, I know I made a custom
shortcut thats a command to the xtightvnc viewer for custom compression,
etc.

Alex

Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> And I would like to forward input events (keyboard, mouse) to the remote 
> system, _without_ sharing its display.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 20:21:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:21:17 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <canadianwriterman.1zzx4n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


www.gnome-look-org and

www.kde-look.org



are both down for the past couple of days. I don't know, but it may be
a technical problem... they're on the same server.


-- 
canadianwriterman



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 20:39:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:39:19 -0500
Subject: Microphone problem
References: <pan.2005.10.10.23.48.39.481762@squeakydolphin.com>
	<pan.2005.10.11.03.32.02.514624@squeakydolphin.com>
Message-ID: <PokerFacePenguin.1zzx4n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Excellent solution.  Worked for me.


-- 
PokerFacePenguin



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 20:36:24 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:36:24 +0000
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
Message-ID: <86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com>

Chris Woods <chris at bitspace.org> writes:

 | leon wrote:
 | > Anybody know what happened to the gnome-look.org website?
 | >   
 | Funny thing is... it was originally art.gnome.org, and then that lost
 | maintenance for a long time, and the kde people seemed to take
 | gnome-look.org under their umbrella (I know, odd, but gnome-look.org
 | was one of the links on kde-look.org). However, neither of those is
 | responding, which leads me to believe they run on the same
 | server. art.gnome.org is still up, and I think it has mostly the same
 | content as gnome-look.org.
 | 
 | -- 
 |  Chris Woods           AIM gnarrlybob
 |  chris at bitspace.org    ICQ 21740987
 |  http://bitspace.org/  MSN chris at bitspace.org
 |  m: +1 617 820 9492    Yahoo! IM cjwoods
 | 
 | 

Very reasonable guess!

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From whb at ceimaine.org  Tue Dec 13 21:11:00 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:11:00 -0500
Subject: VMWare using Ubuntu in Browser Appliance
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A76F@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

Thought the Ubuntu people might be interested to know that VMWare uses
Ubuntu as the foundation for their browser appliance virtual machine.

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/browserapp.html

--
Will Backman - Network Administrator
Coastal Enterprises, Inc.
http://www.ceimaine.org




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 21:01:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:09 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It seems to be down as well as kde-look


-- 
earobinson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 21:09:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:09:23 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


As I was going to say, KDE-look is down too. They will probably be up
again soon. Just have to sit and wait :rolleyes:


-- 
NotJustANewbie



From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 13 21:34:58 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:34:58 +1100
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
In-Reply-To: <1134486970.6933.21.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
	<1134486970.6933.21.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
Message-ID: <20051213213457.GC1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:16:10PM -0300, Mauricio Hernandez Z. wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 08:42 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> > 12132005 0837 GMT-5
> 
> Wade,
> 
> I usually use command line instead of synaptic but it works either way.
> 
> To make sure ATP (synaptic, too) is getting the info you need, you first
> need to edit /etc/apt/source.list  file. I comment the line regarding to
> CDrom and uncomment the universe lines and create a set of multiverse
> lines (just copy paste the universe lines and replace the word for
> multiverse)

A small point, but it's not such a good idea to comment the cdrom line. 
Lots of packages don't need upgrading, so if they are the latest version 
on the CDrom, it saves download resources, and is faster.

apt is quite capable of sorting out where the latest version of any 
package lives... whether it be on the CD or on a repository somewhere.



From seandq at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 21:37:39 2005
From: seandq at gmail.com (Sean Quinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:37:39 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
Message-ID: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>

I was talking to my technology teacher today and he said he was trying out
some "Linux thing" today. I gave him a FC3 disc last year, so I though it
was the one he gave him. He then said it was one with a weird name, so I got
it. Ubuntu.

He's having problems with the install CD, so I'm going to do some
tech-support on his computer tomorrow.

Any suggestions? I'm already going to ask him to keep this email address
handy, as well as put wiki.ubuntu.com on our school bubble.

Sean

--
Sean D. Quinn
seandq at gmail.com
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 21:34:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:34:51 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <DR_K13.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


from the channel topic off #kde:

QUOTE

kde-look and kde-apps are down for ~2 days due to hardware failure


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DR_K13



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 21:36:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:36:56 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<DR_K13.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Good to know thanks!


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 21:37:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:37:02 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<DR_K13.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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double post due to lag :(


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From albi at scii.nl  Tue Dec 13 21:43:17 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:43:17 +0100
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439F4075.5000907@scii.nl>

Sean Quinn wrote:

> He's having problems with the install CD, so I'm going to do some
> tech-support on his computer tomorrow.
> 
> Any suggestions? I'm already going to ask him to keep this email address
> handy, as well as put wiki.ubuntu.com <http://wiki.ubuntu.com> on our
> school bubble.

what kind of problems ?
you can try typing at the prompt of the installcd (and check the other
options with F2 F3 F4 etc.) :

linux noapic nolapic

also take a look at http://help.ubuntu.com  GL!



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 21:59:12 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:59:12 +0000
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<DR_K13.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86pso04q1b.fsf@gmail.com>

It seems to me that it is down for more than 2 days:-)


'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | from the channel topic off #kde:
 | 
 | QUOTE
 | 
 | kde-look and kde-apps are down for ~2 days due to hardware failure
 | 
 | 
 | -- 
 | DR_K13
 | 

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From seandq at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:50:49 2005
From: seandq at gmail.com (Sean Quinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:50:49 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <439F4075.5000907@scii.nl>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<439F4075.5000907@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <4cfbf5bd0512131450v5a8d554cy3af8cbc26cf1be86@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you. I don't know exactly what kind of problems, I'll find out
detail tomorrow.

Thanks. Should I also try linux noacpi? I've heard that's a big option.



From morten at montun.dk  Tue Dec 13 22:51:43 2005
From: morten at montun.dk (Morten Thunberg Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:51:43 +0100
Subject: How do you know what app is available from where,
	and by what name?
In-Reply-To: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
References: <439EDDBA.8090005@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <599630320512131451k79544ceat852cfd629354cdfe@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
>
> 12132005 0837 GMT-5
> Lets start with this: I like to use Opera sometimes instead of Firefox
> so, I want to download it. But since its not in Synaptic, I do sudo
> apt-get install opera. I receive a message saying its not available by
> that name.
>

Follow me:
[~]$ apt-cache show opera
Package: opera
Version: 8.51-20051114.6
Priority: optional
Section: non-free/web
Maintainer: Christian Westgaard <christian.westgaard at opera.com>
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.3), xlib6g (>= 3.3.6) | xlibs, libqt3-mt (>= 3.3.4) |
libqt3c102-mt (>= 3.3.4), libstdc++6
Recommends: libmotif (>= 2) | lesstif2, libaspell15
Conflicts: opera-static
Provides: opera-static, www-browser
Replaces: opera-static
Architecture: i386
Filename: pool/non-free/opera/opera_8.51-
20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb
Size: 4169506
Installed-Size: 9328
MD5sum: c40e6f2b7f79b17eb582f5261bba3a6f
Description: The Opera Web Browser
 Welcome to the Opera Web browser. It is smaller, faster,
 customizable, powerful, yet user-friendly. Opera eliminates
 sluggish performance, HTML standard violations, desktop
 domination, and instability. This robust Web browser lets you
 navigate the Web at incredible speed and offers you the best
 Internet experience.
 The binaries were built on a Fedora Core 4 (Stentz) installation using
gcc-4.0.0.

So the opera ubuntu Breezy deb file is in one of my sources. More specific
in my plf (Penguin Liberation Front) source as seen below. If you add the
deb http://pa.... to your /etc/apt/sources.list installing opera is easy
through synaptic ( or apt-get install opera) <http://plf.zarb.org/>

 [~]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
.
.
.
## PLF Penguin Liberation Front
# http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
. <http://plf.zarb.org/>
.
.



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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 13 22:44:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:44:46 -0500
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com> <439F2C66.7090404@bitspace.org>
	<86k6e8wx87.fsf@gmail.com> <earobinson.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<NotJustANewbie.1zzyza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<DR_K13.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<earobinson.1zzzwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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earobinson Wrote: 
> double post due to lag :(

pwned :cool:


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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 23:54:50 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:54:50 -0500
Subject: [classic vi] ARe: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga:
 now it's cc errors??
In-Reply-To: <1134499027.26309.92.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Vram did say:

> <snip>
> > vi RULES FOREVER! (except where superseded by vim...)
> </snip>
> 
> As far as I know ....  FreeBSD in the only one to run vi.
> 
> Everyone else uses.....Some sort of vim..  You can type vi but, it is
> pointer to something else..
> 
> YMMV

Yeah, but vim really IS VImproveed and it does a fairly good job of
emulating the old vi if you want it to... If I remember right, if
instead of a .vimrc it finds an old .exrc, it does a better job of it.

Really, I like vim better (largely for the :help command) but if I
happen to be where the classic vi hasn't yet superseded it, then I will
use true vi gracefully. As MOST of the usage skills transfer back just
fine.

Joe

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Tue Dec 13 23:55:58 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:55:58 -0500
Subject: [_BIG_ mbox]Re: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now
 it's cc errors??
In-Reply-To: <439F1DA1.9080201@cfl.rr.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131234540.2716@localhost.localdomain>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Phillip Susi did say:

> It has been a long time since I used pine, but IIRC, I was using fetchmail to
> get the mail, the problem was that pine read()s in and parses the entire
> mailbox every time you open it.  That takes a LONG time with a 50 MB mailbox.
> I decided a long time ago that any mail reader worth a salt keeps a separate
> index file and memory maps the main mail file so it can handle arbitrarily
> large mailboxes with ease.
> 
> Surely there has to be a command line mail reader that can do this?

I can't imagine leaving all that in a single file...

But if I had to, I'd remember that:

Pine likes to automatically cut dated monthly read-mail & sent-mail
storage files. (If you really must keep it all...) Which, if you (like I do) 
were to use vi or vim as an "alt" editor when composing something that
depends on some half remembered old text, it's easy to do a:

:! grep  $searchString $pathToArchiveFolder/*

To get the archive filename(s) to feed to a:

:! less $pathToArchiveFolder/$archiveFile

Where a 
/$searchString should index the relevant text for copy/pasting into the
current compose file when you close less...

And if you either let pine automatically move messages to read-mail And
rename the current file to the dated version every month. or do it
manually. etc... keeping the size of the mail file reasonable, it should
work fine. remember it's a mail "reader" not a data base.

I use pine because I like it's interface. and it works for me.

But Like I said, different strokes for different fokes... If you really
like having that many messages in one mail file, then for you I wouldn't
suggest pine...

But have a nice day.

	Joe

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From quinn at the-cat.com  Wed Dec 14 00:27:22 2005
From: quinn at the-cat.com (quinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:27:22 -0500
Subject: Printer icon
Message-ID: <439F66EA.8030609@the-cat.com>

I have a printer with exclamation point icon in the upper right corner 
(near the date box) of the top toolbar. It is there because it claims 
that I have a print job waiting that cannot print (I don't have the 
printer connected right now.), but it will not go away. If I open it up 
and choose to pause the print job and then cancel it, it will go away 
for a while, but then come back. I tried using a terminal, and lprming 
it as root, but that does not work, because it goes away for a while and 
then comes back. This is something that I tried printing months ago, and 
I did not have this problem until moving to Ubuntu a week ago.

How can I get the printer icon to go away and stay away unless/until 
there is a real problem?



From quinn at the-cat.com  Wed Dec 14 00:35:39 2005
From: quinn at the-cat.com (quinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:35:39 -0500
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
Message-ID: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com>

I use Ubuntu on a laptop, and sometimes Ubuntu shuts off the screen, and 
I cannot get it to turn back on.

I know that it shuts the screen off if I shut the laptop far enough, so 
I now have to carry it around with the screen in the fully upright 
position if I want to move it.

Sometimes it also turns the screen off for no reason that I can 
determine.  It is not a result of leaving the laptop unused for too 
long, because sometimes I can leave it for a long time and it is fine, 
and sometimes I leave it for a much shorter time and I come back and the 
screen is off.

I have tried turning off the "save power by turning off the screen" 
option.  I have tried going to another virtual terminal (which fixed 
this problem for someone else), and I have no other virtual terminals, 
despite the fact that that is supposed to be the default, and there is 
no way to turn on virtual terminals.

The laptop is a Toshiba 5105 S702.

How can I make the screen stop turning off?



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 00:31:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:31:37 -0500
Subject: Floppy drive issues with the finale Breezy
References: <4350E687.3040209@cfl.rr.com><b7052e1e0510162106n313e88a7m44de50eaa2433388@mail.gmail.com><jdtanner.1x1gpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><paddyg.1x5okm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><T_Stormcrowe.1x9hly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><paddyg.1x9qvb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><T_Stormcrowe.1xc27b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Xterminator.1xc34m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1e16a9ed0510222109n653d10b7t7c37d1bbbd8f7d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<oliwally.1xnw4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <coaxx.20088m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


oliwally Wrote: 
> This worked for me. I can now access floppies.

> 

> Still, it's a bit disappointing that Breezy hasn't got this sorted -
> especially when you're trying to show K/Ubuntu off to your friends.....





Thats exactly what I did today and as it cames to reinserting another
floppy just more problems started:  The umount feature (right click on
the device in Konqueror) does show the device umounted allthough it is
still mounted :(( So you allways have to umount it manually for
inserting another floppy disk. Thats just to odd!!! :(


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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Wed Dec 14 00:43:08 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:43:08 -0500
Subject: [try mutt]RE: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now
 it's ccerrors??
In-Reply-To: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A6EB@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A96A6EB@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Will H. Backman did say:

> > Subject: Re: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's
> > cc errors??
> 
> Pine was dropped by many free distributions due to licensing issues.
> Mutt perhaps a little more difficult to use at first, but is a very
> popular CLI mail client.

Fraid mutt won't do. It's not how popular it is. Heck it's not even
about cli... While I'm more comfortable with a cli interface than an
icon driven one the REQUIRES my to use the rodent as a primary input
device. I'm quite happy with a more interactive form of keyboard
control. That is, besides composing equations for the actual command line...

Actually I LIKE pine's hot key menu operation with on screen hints as
which key does what, for when I'm having a brain flatulation.  And I'm
used to it... If I can't get it for ubuntu, I'll never use it for my
mail... Which means I'll never spend enough time actually using it.

But the issue wasn't that the official apt-get sources can't supply it
due to the NON-gnu nature of it's licensing.

The issue was that I was unable to "build" the tarball... do to errors I
didn't understand. 

The licensing issue is nearly why I need to use the tarball...

But thanks for the suggestion.

Joe

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Wed Dec 14 00:52:12 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:52:12 -0500
Subject: [what's skype?]Re: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga:
 now it's cc errors??
In-Reply-To: <439EFE96.6040906@nordita.dk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EFE96.6040906@nordita.dk>
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It would appear that on Dec 13, Tobias Heinemann did say:

> > Which is how I leaned that I needed to do an "apt-get install make"
> > first.
> 
> Make sure you do
> 
>   apt-get install build-essential
> 
> before your next attempt of building skype. As the name suggests, this
> package depends on essential tools (make, gcc, ...) for building from
> source.

What's skype? Didn't know I needed that one? <grin>
 
> > then on my next build attempt I got a warning about not having
> > openssl... "apt-get" again... But I got the build warning again.

> You probably need to "apt-get install libssl-dev". In most cases, when
> you get errors about missing libraries during the ./configure stage, you
> need to install the corresponding *-dev package. If ./configure
> complains about a missing library foobar, this is usually called
> foobar-dev, but there are exceptions (as in the case of openssl for
> instance).

I shall try installing build-essential & libssl-dev packages.

Thanks! I'll follow up again with the results.

Joe (the not so wordy just now)

Outa steam, going to bed printed your suggestion and am leaving it on the
keyboard for tomorrow's first ubuntu booting...

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It must be past my bedtime... Good night all!




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 00:41:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:41:23 -0500
Subject: Installation report for Acer TravelMate 8100
References: <BAY104-F3D88B65EE26157D0C0624DC0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <rbrtoclto.20095y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You need to add this line to the end of the -Device- section of
-/etc/X11/xorg.conf- and restart gdm/reboot:


Code:
--------------------
    Option		"MonitorLayout"	"LVDS,AUTO"
--------------------


This thread is very helpful: http://tinyurl.com/84fpp


-- 
rbrtoclto



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Wed Dec 14 01:23:17 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:23:17 -0500
Subject: temporarily unsuscribe from this list
In-Reply-To: <439E8BD4.5050109@cp.net>
References: <439E8BD4.5050109@cp.net>
Message-ID: <1134523397.30680.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 09:52 +0100, nicola lodato wrote:
> Hi all,
>  in forecast of the next Christmas  holiday I would want to know if it's
> possible to temporarily unsuscribe from this list and, maybe, to have
> missed messages zipped in an only mail at my return.

You can flat out unsubscribe and then download the emails (on a monthly
basis though) from the archives:

http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/
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From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 01:27:09 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:27:09 -0500
Subject: Mac mini,
	Ubuntu splash screen halts video output until X is started (Re:
	Video output is stopped on Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ...)
In-Reply-To: <20051213194130.GD20344@mail.jah.net>
References: <77520bee0512130700q1bc611e6j26609095b41d5ebc@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130716y47f50f72m66af3f3dae230a4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130825k59513479j6eea4fb58874146@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512130856n34d0aff3pa456d8667571eb03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051213194130.GD20344@mail.jah.net>
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On 12/13/05, Pete Hicks <petong at jah.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 11:56:39AM -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> >Hmm. Just updated everything, including new kernel. The screen now
> >always stays on (no longer turns off) and the vts keep the screen on
> >as does X (vt1-vt7).
> >
> >However, the splash still doesn't display, and, on vt1 are the same
> >errors as were displayed with my previous install, except the version
> >number has changed from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.12-10:
> >
> >> A bunch of kernel driver related stuff:
> >> insmod: can't read:
> >> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko' :  No
> >> such file or directory
> >> insmod: can't read:
> >> '/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-powerpc/kernel/drivers/video/vga16fb.ko' :  No
> >> such file or directory
> >> usplash: bogl-pcfb.c:194: bogl_pcfb_put: Assertion `yy >= 0 && yy < bogl_yres'
> >
>
> The errors you see, and the reason you can not see video until X starts,
> is that you are starting up in framebuffer mode.

Any idea how to get out of frame buffer mode?

Also, on a more theoretical level, why would the Mac mini install
default to frame buffer mode? Presumably this isn't the most "user
friendly" (as in scary to the neophyte linuxer) mode available.

Eric.



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 01:27:32 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:27:32 +0800
Subject: text mode browser that supports frames?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>

Is there such a thing as a text mode browser that supports frames?
--
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 01:24:54 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:24:54 +0000
Subject: What happen to gnome-look?
References: <86slswwyqj.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86irtsbhcp.fsf@gmail.com>

OK on Wed Dec 14 01:24:30 GMT 2005

leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> writes:

 | Hi all,
 | 
 | Anybody know what happened to the gnome-look.org website?
 | 
 | Cheers
 | -- 
 | .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
 | .     *                               . 
 | .    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
 | .   /..'\                             . 
 | .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
 | .  /.''.'\                            . 
 | .  /.'.'.\                            . 
 | . /'.''.'.\                           . 
 | . ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
 | .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
 | 
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 01:45:15 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:45:15 +0200
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
Message-ID: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect
to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
client to use the voice chat.

This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 01:42:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:42:23 -0500
Subject: text mode browser that supports frames?
References: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arpunk.200bxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Straight from apt-cache:

Code:
--------------------
    
  ELinks (Enhanced Links) is a lynx-like character mode browser,
  created from the Links browser with many patches and enhancements.
  It includes support for rendering tables and frames, features
  background downloads, can display colors, supports the Lua scripting
  language, IPV6 and has many other features. ELinks is linked against
  GNUTLS to prevent license issues.
  .
  Homepage: http://elinks.or.cz/
  
--------------------

;)


-- 
arpunk



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 02:09:54 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:09:54 +0800
Subject: text mode browser that supports frames?
In-Reply-To: <arpunk.200bxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.200bxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512131809y4d58b095gd2914f0976b30173@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Straight from apt-cache:
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>
>   ELinks (Enhanced Links) is a lynx-like character mode browser,
>   created from the Links browser with many patches and enhancements.
>   It includes support for rendering tables and frames, features
>   background downloads, can display colors, supports the Lua scripting
>   language, IPV6 and has many other features. ELinks is linked against
>   GNUTLS to prevent license issues.
>   .
>   Homepage: http://elinks.or.cz/
>
> --------------------
>
ahh cool thanks.. I also found links2 does frames :-)

--
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your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
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From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Wed Dec 14 02:13:09 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:13:09 -0700
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com>

Giorgos wrote:
> The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
> feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect
> to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
> client to use the voice chat.
> 
> This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
> me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)
> 
> 

So then are you asking for suggestions?

Off the top of my head, I'd say check out http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .

They have Debian packages.  I've never tried Gizmo myself but I've heard 
it's better than Skype.



From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 02:13:28 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg Belokamen)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:13:28 +1100
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>

Its rather ironic isn't it. Google, company essentialy built on Linux
technologies does not provide Linux clients to users. A very nice
thank you in did. Do no evil my ass.

  Serg

On 14/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
> feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect
> to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
> client to use the voice chat.
>
> This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
> me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 14 02:16:22 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:16:22 +0000
Subject: text mode browser that supports frames?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214021622.GA28236@riva.ucam.org>

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:27:32AM +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a text mode browser that supports frames?

w3m does, although only on request: hit Shift-f when you encounter a
page that says something like "your browser does not support frames" and
it'll render the frames.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 02:06:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:06:19 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <sciurus.200cva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Have you tried gnomemeeting? It allows voice and video chats using H.323


-- 
sciurus



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 02:22:11 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:22:11 +0800
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512131822x61b48262y4df1b4d3640813c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Serg Belokamen <serg.belokamen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Its rather ironic isn't it. Google, company essentialy built on Linux
> technologies does not provide Linux clients to users. A very nice
> thank you in did. Do no evil my ass.

as I understand it this is actually in the works.
>From what I've read they're working quite closely with the GAIM
project to give GAIM voip capability. (rumour has it, at the cost of
the GAIM video project - ***please note I might be waaay off base
here***)


--
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your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 02:27:37 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:27:37 +0800
Subject: text mode browser that supports frames?
In-Reply-To: <20051214021622.GA28236@riva.ucam.org>
References: <d12e5c90512131727r7bcd32e0x83ee383b6d2dc2b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051214021622.GA28236@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512131827i1068a479w4102a2c4f236762e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Colin Watson <cjwatson at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:27:32AM +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > Is there such a thing as a text mode browser that supports frames?
>
> w3m does, although only on request: hit Shift-f when you encounter a
> page that says something like "your browser does not support frames" and
> it'll render the frames.
>
Thats also good to know, thanks


--
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warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
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From matt.t.galvin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 02:32:28 2005
From: matt.t.galvin at gmail.com (Matt Galvin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:32:28 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512131822x61b48262y4df1b4d3640813c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512131822x61b48262y4df1b4d3640813c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2ce2a0e0512131832o147eda0am7141b00bcb567798@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> as I understand it this is actually in the works.
> >From what I've read they're working quite closely with the GAIM
> project to give GAIM voip capability. (rumour has it, at the cost of
> the GAIM video project - ***please note I might be waaay off base
> here***)
The guy who writes GAIM was hired by Google and Google Talk should be
supported by GAIM 2 when its ready.

Matt

--
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irc://mgalvin at irc.freenode.net
http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/matt/
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 02:23:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:23:20 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
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ok, I tried the fix for the ati driver and this is the error that I got
after doing the apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx. Here is the error:



skipping
"/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No
symbols found

skipping
"/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o": No
symbols found

skipping
"/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No
symbols found

Duplicate symbol rol_long in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o


Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a



Fatal server error:

Module load failure



And I did change the driver from "ATI" to "fglrx" and I still got that
same error.


-- 
zenlakin



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec 14 02:45:30 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:45:30 +0100
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
Message-ID: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, fellow Dapper testers ;-)

Among all the games that come with Ubuntu, there is only one I end up
playing, and as my usual luck dictates, that precisely the one that's
broken ! ;-)

Can anyone start Mahjongg in an up to date Dapper, or is it just me ??


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 02:56:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:35 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Scott Wrote: 
> Off the top of my head, I'd say check out http://www.gizmoproject.com/
> .

> 

> They have Debian packages.  I've never tried Gizmo myself but I've
> heard 

> it's better than Skype.

> 



i support gizmo for the fact that they are a linux-related company, and
that they are built on open standards.



however, having both gizmo and skype on both windows xp and ubuntu
breezy, my experience tells me tat yes, while gizmo sounds better than
skype, the reliability nomination at this moment goes to skype. skype
just works out of the box, with hardly any interruption during calls. i
can't say the same for gizmo, as it seems to have problems even setting
itself up.



eg1. my friend's skype on windows xp works perfectly, but his windows
gizmo (downloaded just 2-3 days ago, so it's quite recent) could not
produce any sound. he could hear me, but i can't hear him. he was using
a laptop's built-in microphone.



no matter how we cut it, it remains a fact tat gizmo couldn't detect a
microphone hardware on a windows machine tat skype could.



eg2. then again, on my linux system, gizmo almost always fail to appear
as an icon in my system tray if my internet connection is off. however,
skype simply remains as an icon in the same tray, and waits for a
connection. once the net is up, skype signs in quietly. as for gizmo, i
have to cancel the earlier "failed" attempt and then manually re-sign
in.



also, if gizmo comes as an '-autopackage-'
(http://www.autopackage.org), it will be very easy to install on any
linux system. then skype can perhaps say goodbye permanently from my
pc, since gizmo for linux would have differentiated itself from the
former.


-- 
rykel



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 03:09:47 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:09:47 -0300
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

have you tried Edubuntu?
-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

[I dream of things that never were and say 'Why Not?']
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From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 03:43:44 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:13:44 +0530
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512131943s63ffcb44v7b85749e39c9cff5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> Scott Wrote:
> > Off the top of my head, I'd say check out http://www.gizmoproject.com/
> > .
>
> >


Instead use gaim-vv, its the gaim with voice and video, I build the deb's
for it. but dont know where to upload them.

revant
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From turf.ph at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:17:36 2005
From: turf.ph at gmail.com (AC Perdon)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:17:36 +0800
Subject: [OT] Gimp: color to alpha?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512130549h6293e9b2m85255c80dec1c52b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512130549h6293e9b2m85255c80dec1c52b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161976c20512132017s19e53165oaee858e0ac292fb5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
    Here my friend DEX did Select the part which you would like to change
the color to alpha use Select -> By Color then click filter ->color -> color
to alpha. Thats how we understand. hope this help.



On 12/13/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, I want to substitute a color to alpha.
>
> The problem is that the Filter -> Colors -> Color to Alpha is not
> "precise": I want tho change ONLY one color, not a range.
>
> How can I do it?
>
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog
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From seandq at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:18:25 2005
From: seandq at gmail.com (Sean Quinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:18:25 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4cfbf5bd0512132018v3212067o79fbf79d8b8e9814@mail.gmail.com>

That's what I was thinking. I think this is just a test, though. So we may
try both. I'll burn EdUbuntu overnight.

On 12/13/05, Mauricio Hernandez Z. <mhz.chile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> have you tried Edubuntu?
> --
> Cordialmente,
>
> Mauricio Hernandez Z.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 04:00:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:00:19 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zwhza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zxs9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxu4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzggm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zzk5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzl3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <azcrumpty.200ifa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hmm...I went directly to ATI's site and followed their docs. Follow this
http://www.linux-laptop.net/hosted/r4000-gentoo.html

to find the ATI proprietary driver.  The driver performs a scan to see
what ATI card you have and sets technobabble up as needed.  Try
removing the default xorg and use the ATI one to make the xorg.conf
file.



zenlakin Wrote: 
> ok, I tried the fix for the ati driver and this is the error that I got
> after doing the apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx. Here is the error:

> 

> skipping
> "/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No
> symbols found

> skipping
> "/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o": No
> symbols found

> skipping
> "/usr/X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No
> symbols found

> Duplicate symbol rol_long in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
> 

> Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a

> 

> Fatal server error:

> Module load failure

> 

> And I did change the driver from "ATI" to "fglrx" and I still got that
> same error.


-- 
azcrumpty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 04:01:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:01:35 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com><rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512131943s63ffcb44v7b85749e39c9cff5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Gandalf.200ifa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar Wrote: 
> On 12/14/05, 'Forum Post <ulist (AT) gs1 (DOT) ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Scott Wrote:
> > > Off the top of my head, I'd say check out
> http://www.gizmoproject.com/
> > > .
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> Instead use gaim-vv, its the gaim with voice and video, I build the
> deb's
> for it. but dont know where to upload them.
> 
> revant
> 
> -- 
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> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
try http://www.megaupload.com and others can host them too..


-- 
Gandalf



From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:21:27 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:21:27 +0800
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>

I've just altered the IP settings for a NIC in a remote PC (from DHCP
to Static), I want to do an ifdown eth0 then an ifup eth0 but If I do
an ifdown I'll immediately lose my connection and not be able to get
back to it remotely.
So is there a was to automate the ifup eth0 ? a one line command maybe?
--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Wed Dec 14 04:28:00 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:28:00 +0900
Subject: Stop interfaces from autoconfig, and have more than one profile
Message-ID: <1134534480.7148.50.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm currently dealing with my network subsystem, and I'm unsure how to
perform some tasks in the "right" (ie. supported, not likely to break
stuff) way.

First, how do I turn off the automagic enabling of eth0 when booting or
waking up from sleep? A lot of the time, I use either wireless or have
no network at all. It is specifically a problem for wireless use since I
need to either kill ifup and related tasks, or wait for upwards of a
minute before being able to configure the wireless interface.

Second, is there a neat way to have more than one wireless interface
profile, so I could use my WEP encrypted profile at home, and use
insecure (but convenient) public networks elsewhere? At this point I
have two different /etc/network/interfaces files and rename them as
needed but that is a bit inconvenient to say the least.

I'd like to hear how other people have dealt with these two issues.


-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From scott at bolanderhome.com  Wed Dec 14 04:36:20 2005
From: scott at bolanderhome.com (Scott Bolander)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:36:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Cannot partition RAID 5 array? 
Message-ID: <60841.24.33.87.159.1134534980.squirrel@www.bolanderhome.com>

Ubuntu 5.10
1x20gb disk
3x200gb disk
Nforce3 MB

I'm trying to set up a server with a 20gb IDE drive as the / partition,
and a RAID 5 array with the /home & /var on it.

The problem I am having is that the installer does not seem to make that
choice available. When you create a raid 5 volume it does not give you a
opportunity to partition it at all.

Am I doing something wrong? I have used this configuration before with
Mandr*; setting it up during the initial install.

Thanks for any help.
-- 
Scott Bolander
Computer Services of Cincinnati
http://www.cincysystems.com
http://www.getwithme.com
scott at cincysystems.com
513-266-6656
The problem with doing nothing is not knowing when you are finished.








From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 04:44:25 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:44:25 -0800
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134535465.26309.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 12:21 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> I've just altered the IP settings for a NIC in a remote PC (from DHCP
> to Static), I want to do an ifdown eth0 then an ifup eth0 but If I do
> an ifdown I'll immediately lose my connection and not be able to get
> back to it remotely.
> So is there a was to automate the ifup eth0 ? a one line command maybe?
> --



Yes try 

at..

Do a man on at...

It is for running commands only once..

I have NEVER used it but, it should do the job for you.

The command <someone yell if this is wrong>

As root

# at <some time let say it's 9 PM now> 10PM  < so in one hour..Check
time on remote machine>
at> ifup eth0
at> ctrl-d <control -d>

Then it will list some job number

You can check the que

# atq

<your job should be lister here>





This goes on the REMOTE pc....


HTH


Vram









> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
> 




From T.Six at gmx.de  Wed Dec 14 04:42:27 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:42:27 +0100
Subject: SOLVED: removable Media
In-Reply-To: <teaker1s.1zzucm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>	<dnd01o$ko3$1@sea.gmane.org>	<439B723A.2070806@gmail.com>	<dnkdk8$77e$1@sea.gmane.org><439E77FD.5000401@bengelhaus.de>	<dnn60f$39r$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<teaker1s.1zzucm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <dno7rj$b2u$1@sea.gmane.org>

'Forum Post schrieb am 13.12.2005 20:22:
> volume manager crapped out on me and that's how mine was fixed

Thank you. Now after:

sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-volume-manager hal pmount

everything works again.  :-D


bye folks

Thilo




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 14 04:52:12 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:52:12 -0800
Subject: Cannot partition RAID 5 array?
In-Reply-To: <60841.24.33.87.159.1134534980.squirrel@www.bolanderhome.com>
References: <60841.24.33.87.159.1134534980.squirrel@www.bolanderhome.com>
Message-ID: <1134535931.9113.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 20:36, Scott Bolander wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a server with a 20gb IDE drive as the / partition,
> and a RAID 5 array with the /home & /var on it.
> 
> The problem I am having is that the installer does not seem to make that
> choice available. When you create a raid 5 volume it does not give you a
> opportunity to partition it at all.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? I have used this configuration before with
> Mandr*; setting it up during the initial install.

I don't know how to directly partition a RAID-5 volume.

You can use the RAID-5 as an LVM physical volume, make a volume
group using the physical volume, and then create logical volumes
in the physical volume for /home and /var.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 04:43:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:43:17 -0500
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com>
Message-ID: <Hobbes.200k9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Are you sure it's just the screen?  It sounds like for the laptop
closing it might be trying to go into suspend mode, which has known
issues, especially if you are using the 3d-enabled drivers.  Look
around for answers on how to try to get suspend to work, including
using Suspend2 instead.



As for the "random" turning on and off: no clue sorry :(


-- 
Hobbes



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 05:09:53 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:09:53 -0500
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>

Combine the two commands into a single pipeline:

ifdown ; ifup <enter>

You will still loose connection if you changed the address, but if all 
goes well, you should be able to reconnect right away.  If all does not 
go well, I hope you have a backup plan for regaining control of the 
machine.

Senectus . wrote:
> I've just altered the IP settings for a NIC in a remote PC (from DHCP
> to Static), I want to do an ifdown eth0 then an ifup eth0 but If I do
> an ifdown I'll immediately lose my connection and not be able to get
> back to it remotely.
> So is there a was to automate the ifup eth0 ? a one line command maybe?
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
> 




From T.Six at gmx.de  Wed Dec 14 05:07:45 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:07:45 +0100
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>

Vincent Trouilliez schrieb am 14.12.2005 03:45:
> Hi, fellow Dapper testers ;-)
> 
> Among all the games that come with Ubuntu, there is only one I end up
> playing, and as my usual luck dictates, that precisely the one that's
> broken ! ;-)
> 
> Can anyone start Mahjongg in an up to date Dapper, or is it just me ??
> 
> 
> --
> Vince

Yes, here it works.

bye Thilo




From kaosboss at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 05:25:41 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (Gruneberg)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:25:41 +0200
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439FACD5.3070101@gmail.com>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Hi, fellow Dapper testers ;-)
>
> Among all the games that come with Ubuntu, there is only one I end up
> playing, and as my usual luck dictates, that precisely the one that's
> broken ! ;-)
>
> Can anyone start Mahjongg in an up to date Dapper, or is it just me ??
>
>
> --
> Vince
>
>
>   
Does not start on my up to date Dapper either.....

Jean



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 05:33:29 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:33:29 -0800
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
In-Reply-To: <439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
	<439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1134538409.26309.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 00:09 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> Combine the two commands into a single pipeline:
> 
> ifdown ; ifup <enter>


This is an easier solution then I sent.

I like it..

Vram


> > 
> 
> 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec 14 05:35:47 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:35:47 +0100
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1134538548.14549.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 06:07 +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
> Yes, here it works.

Have you updated Dapper today, or is it a few days old ?

It seems Jean confirms the problem on an up to date system... so I filed
a bug report...



--
Vince





From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 05:37:37 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:37:37 +0800
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
In-Reply-To: <1134538409.26309.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com>
	<439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>
	<1134538409.26309.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512132137m2ac732f9uf51b390027169e24@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 00:09 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> > Combine the two commands into a single pipeline:
> >
> > ifdown ; ifup <enter>
>
>
> This is an easier solution then I sent.
>
> I like it..
Yeah it worked well, thanks :-)

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 05:56:43 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:56:43 +1100
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
Message-ID: <439FB41B.3030400@optusnet.com.au>

A guid to setting up all HP printers, scanners, etc. can be found at 
*hpinkjet*.sourceforge.net. Use the Debian section of the guide. But use 
the Ubuntu add printer application, not the method suggested at the 
sight when it comes to actually adding the printer, in ubuntu their 
method doesn't work.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 05:57:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:57:23 -0500
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com><439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>
	<1134538409.26309.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <stuporglue.200n1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've started a screen session before with success. 



A screen session won't quit if the user logs out, or an ssh session is
disconnected. Inside the screen session, I'd do something like



ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0



I'd have to reconnect to the screen session, but it worked fine.


-- 
stuporglue



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 06:02:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:02:11 -0500
Subject: "bounce" a nic in one command?
References: <d12e5c90512132021gdc4ee2rdc39eb5dcebefea7@mail.gmail.com><439FA921.4020203@cfl.rr.com>
	<1134538409.26309.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <atoponce.200nza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Putting it into a bash script would work just as well, and can be saved
for later

Code:
--------------------
    #!/bin/bash
  
  ifdown eth0
  ifup eth0
  
--------------------


-- 
atoponce



From list.account at gmx.net  Wed Dec 14 06:52:12 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (R.L.Reingard)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:52:12 +0100
Subject: hosting your own website
Message-ID: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>


hello,
i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own  
machine.
does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best would  
be in german.
AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there  
will be more than one question to reach that goal.
thank you,
best regards
René



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 07:03:44 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:03:44 -0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:52 +0100, R.L.Reingard wrote:
> hello,
> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own  
> machine.
> does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best would  
> be in german.
> AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there  
> will be more than one question to reach that goal.
> thank you,
> best regards
> René
> 


Do you have a static IP????"


Vram






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 07:18:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:18:25 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <amohanty.200qra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It all depends on what you want to do:
If all you want to do is to host some HTML files and images then just
look at the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show&redirect=Apache

Ignore all the MySQL and PHP stuff. Once you get apache up and running
then follow any basic HTML tutorial. The easiest one I have found is
the one by w3c itself:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp

HTH
AM


-- 
amohanty



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 07:23:24 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:23:24 +0000
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512132323n55e672bep@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/12/05, R.L.Reingard <list.account at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> hello,
> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
> machine.
> does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best would
> be in german.
> AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there
> will be more than one question to reach that goal.
> thank you,
> best regards
> René

I wrote a blog post about this a while back that doesn't provide much
info, but does provide a few pointers
(http://eamonnsullivan.blogspot.com/2005/11/family-wiki.html, see
pointers about half way down). I host a mostly locked-down
personal/family wiki on my Breezy desktop at home
(https://wiki.eamonnsullivan.co.uk) by using DynDNS to point to
whatever IP address my ISP is giving out this week. Hope that helps.

-Eamonn



From list.account at gmx.net  Wed Dec 14 07:24:01 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (list.account at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:24:01 +0100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>

> Am 14.12.2005, 08:03 Uhr, schrieb Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:

>> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:52 +0100, René wrote:
>> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
>> machine. does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable  
>> HOWTO? best would be in german.

> Do you have a static IP????"
> Vram

hello Vram
no, the IP i get via DHCP from the provider.





From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 07:35:41 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:35:41 -0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 08:24 +0100, list.account at gmx.net wrote:
> > Am 14.12.2005, 08:03 Uhr, schrieb Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:
> 
> >> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:52 +0100, René wrote:
> >> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
> >> machine. does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable  
> >> HOWTO? best would be in german.
> 
> > Do you have a static IP????"
> > Vram
> 
> hello Vram
> no, the IP i get via DHCP from the provider.


It is hard, not impossible, to host a website on DHCP...

Day to day your IP can change and people can't find you...

If you want to have a 100% up website you need to contact your ISP and
get a STATIC IP...

HTH

Vram

> 
> 
> 




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 07:37:01 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:37:01 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:23:39 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 03:03, David wrote:
> > I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
> > Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
> > Have I missed something obvious?
> > 
> > It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
> > 
> > It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> > /usr/bin/mail
> 
> You'll need to install the mailx package.  It was required by
> ubuntu-base in Hoary but dropped for Breezy.  I have no idea why.
> 
> --Mike Bird

I noticed this too. I assume it's part of the "no servers by default"
policy - if anyone knows whether that's right, please enlighten us.

Looking at the requirements of mailx we see that that it needs a MTA
installed ( e.g. postfix) Since I like to get emails from root telling me
what , for example, cron daily might have found amiss, i went ahead and
installed it, including postfix.

$ apt-cache depends mailx
mailx
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: liblockfile1
 |Depends: postfix
  Depends: <mail-transport-agent>
    courier-mta
    esmtp-run
    exim
    exim4-daemon-light
    masqmail
    nullmailer
    sendmail-bin
    smail
    ssmtp
    xmail
    zmailer
    exim4-daemon-heavy
    hula-manager
    postfix
  Depends: base-files
  Conflicts: <suidmanager>

I found this decision by Ubuntu a bit annoying, but I guess it's something
only geeks and sysadmins etc need or know about ;-)

Peter



> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users


-- 

Linux User #343161 



From ubuntu at cafuego.net  Wed Dec 14 07:37:16 2005
From: ubuntu at cafuego.net (Peter Lieverdink)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:37:16 +1100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>	<1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <439FCBAC.6000308@cafuego.net>

Vram wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 08:24 +0100, list.account at gmx.net wrote:
> 
>>>Am 14.12.2005, 08:03 Uhr, schrieb Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:
>>
>>>>On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:52 +0100, René wrote:
>>>>i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
>>>>machine. does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable  
>>>>HOWTO? best would be in german.
>>
>>>Do you have a static IP????"
>>>Vram
>>
>>hello Vram
>>no, the IP i get via DHCP from the provider.
> 
> 
> 
> It is hard, not impossible, to host a website on DHCP...
> 
> Day to day your IP can change and people can't find you...
> 
> If you want to have a 100% up website you need to contact your ISP and
> get a STATIC IP...
> 
> HTH
> 
> Vram

Not really. Set up an account with dyndns.org and they can host your
domain for you, to be used with a dynamic IP. There are probably others
companies that can do the same thing for you.

Basically, when the IP changes, you notify dyndns and they update the
hostname record. it tends to have a 5 minuite timeout, so at worst
you'll be unreachable for 5 minutes.

Cheers,
- Peter.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 07:24:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:24:46 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com><rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512131943s63ffcb44v7b85749e39c9cff5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rykel.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


(रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar Wrote: 
> 

> Instead use gaim-vv, its the gaim with voice and video, I build the
> deb's

> for it. but dont know where to upload them.

> 

> revant

> 



if you build a Gaim with Voice & Video 'Autopackage'
(http://www.autopackage.org), mike hearn might be able to help you host
it.



my gaim is an autopackage and i refrain from using any non-autopackage
versions of gaim as much as possible, as they are usually outdated and
proprietary to their distributions.



so please don't use deb if possible, so tat our fedora, suse and
non-debian friends can use ur special-version gaim too. after all, the
official gaim is an autopackage also. or make a deb as an optional
bonus. *use autopackage.*


-- 
rykel



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 07:23:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:23:25 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <stuporglue.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Do you have 1) A static IP address? and 2) An always on connection? 



Install apache2, and whatever you throw in /var/www will be on your
server. 



Learning how to run a whole web server setup takes time. Learning the
basics of Apache first is usually a good idea, then move on to mysql,
php, and whatever else you want to tackle. 



If you've got a static IP, you need to go to wherever you bought the
domain name and point it at that IP address. If not, you'll need to
figgure out dynDNS or something.


-- 
stuporglue



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 07:44:42 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:44:42 -0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512132323n55e672bep@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512132323n55e672bep@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134546282.26309.184.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:23 +0000, Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> On 14/12/05, R.L.Reingard <list.account at gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> > i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
> > machine.
> > does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best would
> > be in german.
> > AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there
> > will be more than one question to reach that goal.
> > thank you,
> > best regards
> > René
> 
> I wrote a blog post about this a while back that doesn't provide much
> info, but does provide a few pointers
> (http://eamonnsullivan.blogspot.com/2005/11/family-wiki.html, see
> pointers about half way down). I host a mostly locked-down
> personal/family wiki on my Breezy desktop at home
> (https://wiki.eamonnsullivan.co.uk) by using DynDNS to point to
> whatever IP address my ISP is giving out this week. Hope that helps.
> 

Bear in mind that this may violate your ISP agreement and you may be
looking for a new connection to the net...

YMMV

MY ISP  contract specifically states I will NOT run a website.  If
caught..  Kicked of the net...  

If I want to run a web site the cost is about $15 US a month more.


Vram


> -Eamonn
> 




From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 07:55:40 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:55:40 +0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <stuporglue.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<stuporglue.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512132355o2c61b92ap5c782e3dfab942@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Do you have 1) A static IP address? and 2) An always on connection?
>
>
>
> Install apache2, and whatever you throw in /var/www will be on your
> server.
>
>
>
> Learning how to run a whole web server setup takes time. Learning the
> basics of Apache first is usually a good idea, then move on to mysql,
> php, and whatever else you want to tackle.
>
>
>
> If you've got a static IP, you need to go to wherever you bought the
> domain name and point it at that IP address. If not, you'll need to
> figgure out dynDNS or something.
>
Everyone else seems to have covered the basics.. All I'll add is if
you want a good set of instructions on the web site side of things I
highly recommend the Ubuntu guide to LAMP servers (Linux Apache MySQL
PHP), makes the whole experience much easier.
Also if your planning on setting up a blog type site Word Press is
bloody brilliant and they also have excellent Doco.
umm for a photo gallery I recommend Gallery2
Linkages:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show&redirect=LAMPForHoary
(ignore that it says "for Hoary, it works fine under breezy)
http://wordpress.org/ (this is in the repository)
http://gallery.menalto.com/ (unfortunately only gallery 1.5 is in the
repository but it really is a piece a cake to install manually)


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 07:42:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:42:46 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com><1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<4cfbf5bd0512132018v3212067o79fbf79d8b8e9814@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


1. Take your own install CD and LIVE CD with you. Your teacher's CD may
have some issues.
2. If install doesn't work, you can still test the Live CD to check
system compatibility till help arrives in the forums.
3. Suggest him to join www.ubuntuforums.org himself, so that he gets
direct help.

If the install is successful, your teacher will be very glad to receive
a print of www.ubuntuguide.org from you. I'm sure he'll raise your
grades by one letter at least! ;)


-- 
anil_robo



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 07:51:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:51:22 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<stuporglue.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Joeak.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


stuporglue Wrote: 
> If you've got a static IP, you need to go to wherever you bought the
> domain name and point it at that IP address. If not, you'll need to
> figgure out dynDNS or something.



I got my domain from somewhere that advertised "dynamic dns", which
turns out meant any time you want your name to point to a new IP you
can pull up their web page and change it manually.



I moved the administration of the domain over to zoneedit.com and
haven't looked back.  They give you several ways to automatically
update the dynamic DNS when your IP changes, and the first 5(?) domains
are free.  I haven't had to pay yet.



I update my dns every 4 hours using a crontab entry:




Code:
--------------------
    0 */4 * * * wget -O - --http-user=<youruserid> --http-passwd=<yourpwhere> 'http://dynamic.zoneedit.com/auth/dynamic.html?host=<yourdomain>'
--------------------


-- 
Joeak



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 08:24:53 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:24:53 +1100
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<4cfbf5bd0512132018v3212067o79fbf79d8b8e9814@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051214192453.f9cdc105.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:42:46 -0500
"'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

> If the install is successful, your teacher will be very glad to receive
> a print of www.ubuntuguide.org from you. I'm sure he'll raise your
> grades by one letter at least! ;)

Unfortunately,  ubuntuguide.org is out of date now. It also has
recommendations that break things. Please don't recommend it. This has
been discussed on this list - and those helping on the forums and IRC will
thank you not to point people to this URL any more. 

It was a great contribution, and helped many people, so I'm not
criticising the author at all. Just that better resources are now
available.

A better source of  information now is http://help.ubuntu.com

Peter
 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 08:36:11 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:36:11 +1100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <439FCBAC.6000308@cafuego.net>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439FCBAC.6000308@cafuego.net>
Message-ID: <20051214193611.aac72ec9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:37:16 +1100
Peter Lieverdink <ubuntu at cafuego.net> wrote:

> > If you want to have a 100% up website you need to contact your ISP and
> > get a STATIC IP...
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Vram
> 
> Not really. Set up an account with dyndns.org and they can host your
> domain for you, to be used with a dynamic IP. There are probably others
> companies that can do the same thing for you.
> 
> Basically, when the IP changes, you notify dyndns and they update the
> hostname record. it tends to have a 5 minuite timeout, so at worst
> you'll be unreachable for 5 minutes.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Peter.

You can automate the updates for dyndns.org or whatever dynamic dns
service you use with various utilities. One example is  ez-ipupdate ,
which is in the universe repository, so you can do

sudo apt-get install ez-ipupdate

The install will ask you some questions including your dyndns address (you
need to set that up first) and your password etc

If you need to change the details later you can run

sudo dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipupdate

to change any variables. 

You might also want to check if your ISP blocks port 80 (many do). If so
you will have to assign a different port for apache to listen on, and
append that to your website address. This is of course assuming that
hosting a website is not against your ISP's terms of service ;-)

Peter

 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 08:25:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:25:29 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain><e40e29dd0512132323n55e672bep@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134546282.26309.184.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Joeak.200ugm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> MY ISP contract specifically states I will NOT run a website. If

> caught.. Kicked of the net...



Well that sucks.  In my area there's competition, so I'd just switch
from DSL to cable or to something else, and the ISP's know that, so
they don't complain.  Plus my DSL is capped at 320/280, so there's only
so much damage my traffic can do to their system.  Bittorrent would do
more damage.


-- 
Joeak



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 08:48:00 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:48:00 -0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <20051214193611.aac72ec9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134543824.26309.164.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439FCBAC.6000308@cafuego.net>
	<20051214193611.aac72ec9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134550080.26309.193.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 19:36 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:37:16 +1100
> Peter Lieverdink <ubuntu at cafuego.net> wrote:


<snip>

> This is of course assuming that
> hosting a website is not against your ISP's terms of service ;-)
> 
> Peter
> 

Thanks for saying that again...


I said it once and no-one listened...

Vram






>  -- 
> 
> Linux User #343161 
> 




From morten at newtec.dk  Wed Dec 14 08:50:11 2005
From: morten at newtec.dk (Morten W. J.)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:50:11 +0100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512140950.11155.morten@newtec.dk>


> > no, the IP i get via DHCP from the provider.
>
> It is hard, not impossible, to host a website on DHCP...
>
> Day to day your IP can change and people can't find you...
>
> If you want to have a 100% up website you need to contact your ISP and
> get a STATIC IP...

Well, I get my IP address from DHCP but having bought a static one, I always 
get the same, so I get my static IP address from DHCP. A bit ackward but so 
it is.

Could that be the same with you, René?
Of cause if you KNOW you get a different IP address each time that case is 
settled.

-- 
Morten W. Jørgensen



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 09:04:57 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:04:57 -0800
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <200512140950.11155.morten@newtec.dk>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1riub0e3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134545741.26309.178.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512140950.11155.morten@newtec.dk>
Message-ID: <1134551097.26309.200.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 09:50 +0100, Morten W. J. wrote:
> > > no, the IP i get via DHCP from the provider.
> >
> > It is hard, not impossible, to host a website on DHCP...
> >
> > Day to day your IP can change and people can't find you...
> >
> > If you want to have a 100% up website you need to contact your ISP and
> > get a STATIC IP...
> 
> Well, I get my IP address from DHCP but having bought a static one, I always 
> get the same, so I get my static IP address from DHCP. A bit ackward but so 
> it is.


This is a standard feature with dhcp..It's ability to bind an IP to a
MAC...


Nice feature...

That makes it a static IP....

HTH

Vram




> 
> Could that be the same with you, René?
> Of cause if you KNOW you get a different IP address each time that case is 
> settled.
> 
> -- 
> Morten W. Jørgensen
> 




From jeremiah at easywebsite.se  Wed Dec 14 09:03:57 2005
From: jeremiah at easywebsite.se (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:03:57 +0100
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134551037.4162.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:19 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / 
 wrote:
> Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
> as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.

Not really sure what you mean by not kernel logs. If you mean not logged
by the kernel well there is very little that isn't logged by the kernel
since you have to ask the kernel for a new process, etc. If you mean a
log that is logging something other than user-space activity than yes
there are logs to do what you want.
> 
> I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
> that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
> activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
> network, etc

For sshd (i.e. server) messages, look in /var/log/auth.log There you
will also find sudo activity, and PAM activity along with nearly
anything else requiring a password on the system.

If you want a real-time display of processes try ps auxww or use the
program "top." top is continually updated in your terminal so you can
monitor every process in real time, as it happens. It also shows you
memory usage and process owner, etc.

> Is there anything like that at all?

There are many other facilities for monitoring the system, I have just
scratched the surface here. Look in /var/log and do man top and man ps.

Best regards,

Jeremiah




From a.giuliano at iccu.sbn.it  Wed Dec 14 09:22:45 2005
From: a.giuliano at iccu.sbn.it (Andrea Giuliano)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:22:45 +0100
Subject: 45 instances of gnome-pty-helper...
Message-ID: <439FE465.1020004@iccu.sbn.it>

Hi,

can you tell me why there are 45 instances of gnome-pty-helper running 
on my box? Every now and then I kill some of them, but after a few days 
ther're running again.

Since gnome-pty-helper is part of libvte4, which is needed by 
gnome-terminal and many other applications, there's no way to get rid of 
  the program itself. I'm just looking for a way to control the number 
of instances!

Best regards.

-- 
Andrea Giuliano, Ph. D.
ICCU - Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico
Viale Castro Pretorio 105, Rome - ITALY
Tel. +39 06 49210403, Fax +39 06 4959302



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 09:31:41 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:31:41 +0000
Subject: Accessing a printer attached to a Airport Express (bonjour)
In-Reply-To: <d46325db0512131057u6e9e6289y7ff116ab6a7b65cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0512130716n7776d3c1u@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130805j139145ebp@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512130826ka6202a9k9ea8146fd512ff64@mail.gmail.com>
	<e40e29dd0512130938l2c97959di@mail.gmail.com>
	<d46325db0512131057u6e9e6289y7ff116ab6a7b65cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512140131w162fdab1k@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/12/05, Mike Smith <mikeosmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> As I understand it Bounjour (presumably Avahi too) will show you a
> list of available "services" on your network. I'm imagining Avahi will
> add the ability to connect to Bonjour capable services advertised on
> your network. Good luck.

Just to finish this thread off, I installed all the Avahi pieces and
it works as advertised -- I can browse all the services on the home
net. Unfortunately, it also has the drawback I expected: There doesn't
seem to be a way to *use* that printer that I can now see, directly. I
shared it over Windows for now. It works fine that way.

If I could spawn another me, it would be an interesting project to
attach mdns services to the CUPS interface somehow. With python-avahi,
I doubt it would be tough. I know there are several efforts to attach
to music streams from iTunes this way.

-Eamonn



From ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi  Wed Dec 14 09:42:45 2005
From: ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi (Ari Torhamo)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:42:45 +0200
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
Message-ID: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I have so far thought that there's a problem in Evolution with showing
images in HTML messages, but just found out that one just have to change
a setting to enable them.

I wonder if it would be better to make showing images the default
behaviour. Many inexperienced people propably think that images are
missing for the same reason as they are not beeing able to see flash
presentations or most videos. When people browse the internet they
always can see the images on the pages and don't expect to have to
change a setting to be able to see images on HTML messages.

I guess the reason for the current behaviour is to save bandwith, which
is good in itself. One solution might be to enable images, but with the
first message containing them explaining the bandwith prolbem and asking
the user if he doesn't want images to be downloaded in the future.

What do Evolution people and others think?

Ari Torhamo




From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 09:45:36 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:15:36 +0530
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <rykel.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512131943s63ffcb44v7b85749e39c9cff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<rykel.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512140145h4b3341d0y5c05b87e0abc0824@mail.gmail.com>

My .deb can make a way into backports? can it?, i can also alien it into
many other package managers.


revant
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 09:51:37 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:21:37 +0530
Subject: OGG Player
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any commandline player for ogg formats.There is a command play to
play media files in the console.What is the package name.I want it for
Warty.
Cheers
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From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 09:52:57 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:52:57 +0000
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512140152y4f461c80g@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/12/05, Ari Torhamo <ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have so far thought that there's a problem in Evolution with showing
> images in HTML messages, but just found out that one just have to change
> a setting to enable them.
>
> I wonder if it would be better to make showing images the default
> behaviour. Many inexperienced people propably think that images are
> missing for the same reason as they are not beeing able to see flash
> presentations or most videos. When people browse the internet they
> always can see the images on the pages and don't expect to have to
> change a setting to be able to see images on HTML messages.
>
> I guess the reason for the current behaviour is to save bandwith, which
> is good in itself. One solution might be to enable images, but with the
> first message containing them explaining the bandwith prolbem and asking
> the user if he doesn't want images to be downloaded in the future.
>
> What do Evolution people and others think?

It's also a security feature, and many spam messages come with
embedded images that point back to their server as a way to check for
"live" bait. Not displaying in-line images is the default on many
(most?) email clients these days.

-Eamonn



From zaphod at chello.no  Wed Dec 14 10:00:14 2005
From: zaphod at chello.no (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:00:14 +0100
Subject: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:21 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> Is there any commandline player for ogg formats.There is a command
> play to play media files in the console.What is the package name.I
> want it for Warty.
> Cheers
> Vignesh

vorbis-tools should do it. Then run it using ogg123

Cheers,

Zaphod.




From cummings.james at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:04:50 2005
From: cummings.james at gmail.com (James Cummings)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:04:50 +0000
Subject: courier-imap
Message-ID: <39da2baa0512140204q3ea956e4o95e5fde566980da0@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya,

In breezy,  I've installed courier-imap to provide a local imap
server, and am trying to connect to it in Thunderbird.  However, it
won't let me log in.   If I telnet to localhost 143 the server
responds (though I don't log in) but authentication doesn't take place
properly when I try with thunderbird.

Is this a PAM-related problem?  What do I need to change so I can just
use my user password to login to courier-imap?

Thanks for any suggestions,
-James
--
James Cummings, Cummings dot James at GMail dot com

From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 10:07:11 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:07:11 +0000
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
Message-ID: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

From what I have been able to find out, it would appear that the chat 
programs are very restricted.

It seems that, chatting over the internet, Skype can only talk to 
Skype, GnomeMeeting to GnomeMeeting, Gizmoproject to Gizmoproject, 
and so on. In other words, both users have to be running the same 
program.

Is this correct, or can different programs be used either end of the 
chat?

Thanks

Keith



From list.account at gmx.net  Wed Dec 14 10:15:51 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (list.account at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:15:51 +0100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <op.s1rqspdj3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>

> Am 14.12.2005, 07:52 Uhr, schrieb René <list.account at gmx.net>:

> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
> machine. does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO?  
> best would be in german.
> AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there
> will be more than one question to reach that goal.

i just don't get the WHOLE picture yet !
the domain name is ready.
the IP is dynamic.
LAMP i do have installed (XAMPP).

now i should understand if the ISP excepts my private hosting. (>> email  
is out for questioning that)
if yes, i should set up an account at DynDNS.com or ZoneEdit.com.
in this account i have to provide some (?) necessary information like  
DomainName and current IP.
thereafter i should make an automated update of the dynamic IP to the  
DNS-Provider. like Joeak said:
I update my dns every 4 hours using a crontab entry:
--------------------
0 */4 * * * wget -O - --http-user=<youruserid> --http-passwd=<yourpwhere>  
'http://dynamic.zoneedit.com/auth/dynamic.html?host=<yourdomain>'
--------------------

but what i do next?
where do i let know Apache (and the computer system) about other (?)  
necessary settings?
and what are these settings?
are there UI's or GUI's i have to start, to enter these necessary  
informations?
and finally, where to put all the data of the website and it's startpage  
(index.html)?

it is somewhat to much for me. therefore is was asking for a  
understandable step-by-step procedure (i did search the web but did not  
find anything valuable to me).

thanks if someone has enough patience to write a step-by-step catalogue.
regards,
René





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 10:19:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:19:48 -0500
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
References: <1134360175.8499.50.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg><pan.2005.12.12.07.38.21.790906@xs4all.nl><1134427167.8499.62.camel@steven-dsk.hfg.hfg>
	<pan.2005.12.13.08.14.01.251920@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <gg234.200z3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


this link is having 7110 installation and check the same for 7210



www.debianhelp.co.uk/printing.htm



thanks


-- 
gg234



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 10:16:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:16:42 -0500
Subject: HP OfficeJet 7210 & hplip/hpoj
References: <439FB41B.3030400@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <gg234.200z3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


check this link also www.debianhelp.co.uk/printing.htm with simple words


-- 
gg234



From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 10:23:12 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:23:12 +0000
Subject: Erratic Thunderbird
Message-ID: <200512141023.12114.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

Thunderbird will behave for many days, then it will have a spell of 
marking *all* the downloaded messages as Junk. When it has marked 
about 150 messages, it is rather laborious manually unmarking each 
one (except the ones I recognise as junk!).

Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a way of unmarking them 
all in one go rather than individually?

It was the same in Hoary and with Thunderbird in other distros. So 
it's not just a Breezy Thunderbird problem.

Many thanks for any advice.

Keith 



From jeremiah at easywebsite.se  Wed Dec 14 10:28:24 2005
From: jeremiah at easywebsite.se (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:28:24 +0100
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134556104.4162.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 11:42 +0200, Ari Torhamo wrote:
 
*snip*
> 
> I wonder if it would be better to make showing images the default
> behaviour. Many inexperienced people propably think that images are
> missing for the same reason as they are not beeing able to see flash
> presentations or most videos. When people browse the internet they
> always can see the images on the pages and don't expect to have to
> change a setting to be able to see images on HTML messages.

> I guess the reason for the current behaviour is to save bandwith, which
> is good in itself. One solution might be to enable images, but with the
> first message containing them explaining the bandwith prolbem and asking
> the user if he doesn't want images to be downloaded in the future.
> 
> What do Evolution people and others think?

I think the decision was done more for security and peace of mind than
for bandwidth. In fact many people seem to have fast connections to the
internet so bandwidth is not that big a deal.

Spam however is a real problem, and images used in spam can be both
offensive and insecure. From the standpoint of protecting users from
these things I feel the default settings with images off is wise.

Jeremiah




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 14 10:33:46 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:33:46 +0000
Subject: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:00:14AM +0100, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:21 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> > Is there any commandline player for ogg formats.There is a command
> > play to play media files in the console.What is the package name.I
> > want it for Warty.
> > Cheers
> > Vignesh
> 
> vorbis-tools should do it. Then run it using ogg123

'cplay' is a good command line front end for various formats.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 10:21:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:21:58 -0500
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
References: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <frodon.20100m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Gaim allow to use, AIM, jabber, msn, yahoo messenger, IRC , .... you
should try it ;)


-- 
frodon



From ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi  Wed Dec 14 10:52:23 2005
From: ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi (Ari Torhamo)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:52:23 +0200
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512140152y4f461c80g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512140152y4f461c80g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134557543.7552.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ke, 2005-12-14 kello 09:52 +0000, Eamonn Sullivan kirjoitti:
> On 14/12/05, Ari Torhamo <ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have so far thought that there's a problem in Evolution with showing
> > images in HTML messages, but just found out that one just have to change
> > a setting to enable them.
> >
> > I wonder if it would be better to make showing images the default
> > behaviour. Many inexperienced people propably think that images are
> > missing for the same reason as they are not beeing able to see flash
> > presentations or most videos. When people browse the internet they
> > always can see the images on the pages and don't expect to have to
> > change a setting to be able to see images on HTML messages.
> >
> > I guess the reason for the current behaviour is to save bandwith, which
> > is good in itself. One solution might be to enable images, but with the
> > first message containing them explaining the bandwith prolbem and asking
> > the user if he doesn't want images to be downloaded in the future.
> >
> > What do Evolution people and others think?
> 
> It's also a security feature, and many spam messages come with
> embedded images that point back to their server as a way to check for
> "live" bait. Not displaying in-line images is the default on many
> (most?) email clients these days.

This sounds like a good reason for the dafault behaviour, but I still
think it would be good to inform the user about this, give him the
option to enable the images and tell him that it's always possible to
change the behaviour in the future.

Ari




From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Wed Dec 14 11:12:37 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:12:37 +0100
Subject: Trash does not work across partitions
Message-ID: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

Hello!

I have in my home folder a symlink to another partition.  When I use 
Nautilus to 'Move to Trash' a file I access via this symlink I get the 
error message:
Not on the same file system while deleting filename.

Deleting permanently and via terminal work of course.

This seems to be a Gnome/Nautilus bug to me, is this correct?

Burt

-- 
http://www.entner.net



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:17:52 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:17:52 +0200
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134559072.8573.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 21:56 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:

> i support gizmo for the fact that they are a linux-related company, and
> that they are built on open standards.
> 
> 
> 
> however, having both gizmo and skype on both windows xp and ubuntu
> breezy, my experience tells me tat yes, while gizmo sounds better than
> skype, the reliability nomination at this moment goes to skype. skype
> just works out of the box, with hardly any interruption during calls. i
> can't say the same for gizmo, as it seems to have problems even setting
> itself up.
> 
> 
> 
> eg1. my friend's skype on windows xp works perfectly, but his windows
> gizmo (downloaded just 2-3 days ago, so it's quite recent) could not
> produce any sound. he could hear me, but i can't hear him. he was using
> a laptop's built-in microphone.
> 

Well, Skype has given me all sorts of trouble on windows and linux. I'm
talking with someone who uses a 56k connection every night. With Skype
it's barely possible, lag is reaching over 30s most of the time (windows
and linux). With Google Talk it works. Without any lag.

I don't think gaim-vv would let me chat with google talk clients. Isn't
there a way to run Google Talk in some emulator or something?







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 11:06:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:06:29 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zt9ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zurxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zwg4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zwhza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxedy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zxs9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zxu4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzggm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zzk5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzl3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zzppz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzppz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.200dsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.200ifa@gs1.ubuntufor ums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.2011va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I will have to try that when I get home tonight if I have some time. Did
you get the video working on your r4000? Or did you get the other video
chip on yours instead of the 128mb 200m graphics chip?


-- 
zenlakin



From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Dec 14 11:47:08 2005
From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:47:08 +0000
Subject: Trash does not work across partitions
In-Reply-To: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk>

Burt,

Robert Entner wrote:

> I have in my home folder a symlink to another partition.  When I use 
> Nautilus to 'Move to Trash' a file I access via this symlink I get the 
> error message:
> Not on the same file system while deleting filename.
> 
> Deleting permanently and via terminal work of course.
> 
> This seems to be a Gnome/Nautilus bug to me, is this correct?

I'd call it a limitation rather than a bug!

As I understand it, Nautilus uses the 'mv' command to move files from
their current directory to the Trash directory. mv within the same file
system is very efficient as the file itself stays where it is
physically. To implement mv accross paritition, one would have to copy
the file and delete the old file with the risk of things going wrong
part way through this process.

Certainly in older Unixes, mv between paritions did not work. I've not
tried it on more recent version of Linux.

I guess one answer would be for Nautilus to keep a trash directory for
each file system, and mv the file to there.

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester,
IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.
T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039
E: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk, H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold



From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Dec 14 11:49:43 2005
From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:49:43 +0000
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <1134557543.7552.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<e40e29dd0512140152y4f461c80g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134557543.7552.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A006D7.7070306@manchester.ac.uk>

Ari,

Ari Torhamo wrote:

> This sounds like a good reason for the dafault behaviour, but I still
> think it would be good to inform the user about this, give him the
> option to enable the images and tell him that it's always possible to
> change the behaviour in the future.

Thunderbird puts a big banner accross the top of the message saying
images have been witheld for whatever reason and provides a big button
to load the images if you really want to see them.

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
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IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.
T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039
E: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk, H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:58:05 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (Sarangan Thuraisingham)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:05 +0000
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <1134551037.4162.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
	<1134551037.4162.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A008CD.6060203@gmail.com>

Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:19 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / 
>  wrote:
> 
>>Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
>>as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.
> 
> 
> Not really sure what you mean by not kernel logs. If you mean not logged
> by the kernel well there is very little that isn't logged by the kernel
> since you have to ask the kernel for a new process, etc. If you mean a
> log that is logging something other than user-space activity than yes
> there are logs to do what you want.
> 
>>I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
>>that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
>>activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
>>network, etc
> 
> 
> For sshd (i.e. server) messages, look in /var/log/auth.log There you
> will also find sudo activity, and PAM activity along with nearly
> anything else requiring a password on the system.
> 
> If you want a real-time display of processes try ps auxww or use the
> program "top." top is continually updated in your terminal so you can
> monitor every process in real time, as it happens. It also shows you
> memory usage and process owner, etc.
> 
> 
>>Is there anything like that at all?
> 
> 
> There are many other facilities for monitoring the system, I have just
> scratched the surface here. Look in /var/log and do man top and man ps.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jeremiah
> 
> 
Thank you all, but what about network activity. For files list I can use 
'lsof', but is there anything like that for network connections and 
bandwidth usage per process?

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 11:57:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:57:22 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><439F7FB5.9060607@angrykeyboarder.com><rykel.200epy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e06f2acd0512131943s63ffcb44v7b85749e39c9cff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<rykel.200rom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <alamba.2013pz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I can host it for you at my site revant.



Akshay


-- 
alamba



From tt at krag.org  Wed Dec 14 11:56:30 2005
From: tt at krag.org (Tomas Krag)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:56:30 +0100
Subject: Problems with CompactFlash reader on Thinkpad x31
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.14.11.56.29.580607@krag.org>

This is a problem that started when I upgraded from Ubuntu Hoary (5.04) to
Ubuntu Breezu (5.10). I have since performed a clean reinstall of Ubuntu
Breezy, and the problem persists. 

I actually just wanted to see if anyone out there can confirm this problem
so that i can at least eliminate faulty hardware as the cause.


When I insert a Compact Flash card into the built-in slot on my IBM
Thinkpad x31 behaviour is strange.

The first time I insert the card after a reboot, it is recognized and mounted
correctly, and the icon appears on the desktop.
After unmounting and removing the card, the strange behaviour occurs. If I
reinsert the card (or a different card) a second time, the device is
recognized, and mounted, and the icon shows up for a fraction of a second,
but then the card is instantly unmounted again.

When this happens, I can sometimes get the card mounted as root, either
through the command-line or using gnomes disks-admin utility. However
equally often the disks-admin utility will freeze in this situation, and
any further attempt to access or mount the device seem to freeze. Once in
this state, I cannot mount usb devices or anything else for that matter,
and if I try to shutdown the PC, the shutdown process freezes partway, and
I need to hard reboot it.

Also, once the laptop is in this state, i.e. after mounting and then unmounting
a compact-flash card, other tasks, such as suspend-to-ram (or more often,
resume) are also likely to freeze up the laptop.

I have filed this as a bug report on ubuntu's bugzilla, but just wanted
to see if anyone else has experienced this type of problem, either on a
thinkpad x31 or with different hardware.  

My uname output is:
Linux tkragX31 2.6.12-10-686 #1 Fri Nov 18 12:09:04 UTC 2005 i686


Regards

/tomas
GNU/Linux




From seandq at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:13:52 2005
From: seandq at gmail.com (Sean Quinn)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:13:52 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <20051214192453.f9cdc105.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<4cfbf5bd0512132018v3212067o79fbf79d8b8e9814@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051214192453.f9cdc105.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4cfbf5bd0512140413g6f6dbde5l8523f1db1530606e@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't Breezy (I worked on docs) have an updated version of Ubuntuguide [or
something like it] in its own local Gnome-Help?

On 12/14/05, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:42:46 -0500
> "'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
> wrote:
>
> > If the install is successful, your teacher will be very glad to receive
> > a print of www.ubuntuguide.org from you. I'm sure he'll raise your
> > grades by one letter at least! ;)
>
> Unfortunately,  ubuntuguide.org is out of date now. It also has
> recommendations that break things. Please don't recommend it. This has
> been discussed on this list - and those helping on the forums and IRC will
> thank you not to point people to this URL any more.
>
> It was a great contribution, and helped many people, so I'm not
> criticising the author at all. Just that better resources are now
> available.
>
> A better source of  information now is http://help.ubuntu.com
>
> Peter
> --
>
> Linux User #343161
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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>



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From cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 12:33:28 2005
From: cyclewood_ltd at yahoo.co.uk (Anthony Gardner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:33:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Repositiries
In-Reply-To: <1134471347.30680.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051214123328.83937.qmail@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Did all that before posting the bug.
 
 I may just reinstall Hoary. Not very impressed at all with Breezy and losing faith with Ubuntu.

Brian Puccio <brian at brianpuccio.net> wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 15:59 +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
>  I'm using Breezy but when I try to change the repositories to include
> community, non-free, it doesn't stay set.
> 
> I press Settings -> Repostories -> Add to add the repositories and
> then press OK, then press OK in the main box (which then asks me to
> reload as my repositories have changed.
> 
> But if I press on Add again, they're not set.
> 
> Even if I just press Add, click the check boxes, press OK, the go
> straight back into Add, they're unchecked.
> 
> If I uncheck restricted, ofiicial, when I go straight back in, they're
> checked.

While I can't confirm your bug, a quick work around would be to "sudo
gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" or "sudo
nano /etc/apt/sources.list" (depending on which text editor you like).

See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesCliHowto
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:38:25 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:08:25 +0530
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys..That worked well.So ogg123 is installed by default.Cplay was
good.I added a new user.How do I allow that user to access the sound
device?Also how do I read pdf documents.
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/14/05, David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:00:14AM +0100, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:21 +0530, VIGNESH wrote:
> > > Is there any commandline player for ogg formats.There is a command
> > > play to play media files in the console.What is the package name.I
> > > want it for Warty.
> > > Cheers
> > > Vignesh
> >
> > vorbis-tools should do it. Then run it using ogg123
>
> 'cplay' is a good command line front end for various formats.
>
> --
> David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>
>
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From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 13 23:17:51 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:17:51 +0100
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134515871.5660.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 16:37 -0500, Sean Quinn wrote:
> technology teacher

He might be interested in Edubuntu and/or Skolelinux:
http://www.edubuntu.org/
http://www.skolelinux.org/




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 13:08:38 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:08:38 -0500
Subject: Problems with search function at http://www.ubuntu.com/
Message-ID: <77520bee0512140508s21ffd9b4x3d172433be07871@mail.gmail.com>

Hello webmaster:

There's a problem with the search function available on the main page at:
http://www.ubuntu.com/

If I do a search for 'mol', I get a page with results that point to
real pages (<http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=mol>).
Unfortunately, the links are broken and end up pointing to nothing:

e.g. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto/view?searchterm=mol>

This URL should be:
<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacOnLinuxHowto>

Just thought you might want to know.

FYI: I was using Ubuntu 5.10, autoupdated to the latest software, FF
1.0.7 on a Mac mini when I tried this search.

Eric.
cc: Ubuntu-users



From christian at draugr.de  Wed Dec 14 13:11:37 2005
From: christian at draugr.de (Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dr=F6ge?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:11:37 +0100
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134565897.4287.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 03:45 +0200 schrieb Giorgos:
> The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
> feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect
> to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
> client to use the voice chat.
> 
> This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
> me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)

You should wait until friday. Then a now version of gaim is going to be
released and it will ship support for google talk's voice chat.

See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ for more information about this.

Regards,
Christian
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From shot at hot.pl  Wed Dec 14 13:13:04 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:13:04 +0100
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

VIGNESH:

> I added a new user. How do I allow
> that user to access the sound device?

Add that user to the audio group.

> Also how do I read pdf documents.

With Evince (in Breezy should be installed by default)
or Acrobat Reader (install the package acroread from universe).

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
    A good friend can tell you what is the matter with you in a minute. He
    may not seem such a good friend after telling.      -- Arthur Brisbane
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 13:19:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:19:39 -0500
Subject: Problems with CompactFlash reader on Thinkpad x31
References: <pan.2005.12.14.11.56.29.580607@krag.org>
Message-ID: <daller.2017fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


See this:



https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadX31



apparently somebody got it working...



If you find others with the issue, please edit the page to fit that!


-- 
daller



From mlynch at gcom.com  Wed Dec 14 13:48:17 2005
From: mlynch at gcom.com (Michael J. Lynch)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:17 +0000
Subject: Problems with CompactFlash reader on Thinkpad x31
In-Reply-To: <daller.2017fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <pan.2005.12.14.11.56.29.580607@krag.org>
	<daller.2017fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A022A1.2070604@gcom.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> See this:
> 
> 
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadX31
> 
> 
> 
> apparently somebody got it working...
> 
> 
> 
> If you find others with the issue, please edit the page to fit that!
> 
> 

I have two different styles of CF cardreaders working on Hoary.  One
is a CF2IDE type adaptor and the other is a CF2USB type adaptor.  Do
you know which type you have?  If you have a CF2USB adaptor, try running
lsusb to see what vendor/device/etc codes the adaptor is identifying
itself as.  Armed with that information, look in /etc/hotplug/usb.* for
matching entries.  If you don't find one, that's the problem.  If you
do find one, then the real work of finding the disconnect starts.

I don't know for sure that Breezy is identical but it can't be too much
different.

-- 
Michael J. Lynch

What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:07:50 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:07:50 -0500
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512140607q5632e615m15ad1593f485fbe0@mail.gmail.com>

Great. Yet another POSITIVE comment coming out of the Linux
"community" (whatever that may be... open source/Linux fandamentalism
is harmful IMNSHO).

>From Google Talk:
"5. What protocols are used for voice calls?

Google Talk supports a custom XMPP-based signaling protocol and
peer-to-peer communication mechanism. We will fully document this
protocol. In the near future, we plan to support SIP signaling.

6. Which voice codecs do you support?

Today, Google Talk supports the following standard voice codecs: PCMA,
PCMU, G.723, iLBC. We are also evaluating the Speex codec. We also
support codecs from Global IP Sound: ISAC, IPCMWB, EG711U, EG711A"

"3. Do you plan to support the Google Talk client on other platforms?

We look forward to the Google Talk client supporting Linux and Mac OSX
in the future."

Take deep breath. Step on soap box.

I am tired of hearing people whinge about open source and/or Linux and
how companies/individuals should jump to support their favourite
distro without providing the company with incentive or reason to do
so. Just because is not good enough!

To set the record straight re: Google Talk, Linux and the obligations
of Linux users re: others.

A. Linux is provided with only one string attached!
Changes/improvements to the software covered by the licence(s) must be
made available to others. NOTHING MORE! No other legal or moral
obligation gets placed on the user regarding their own software/other
software. NONE!!! ABSOLUTELY NONE

If we reason that merely because a company (e.g. Google) _uses_ Linux
they are obligated to write software for Linux (for free ($$$)
presumbly), then we can also reason that every single individual USER
of Linux who uses Linux in their professional lives (or personal
lives), then they owe the wider "Linux community" their services FOR
FREE!

B. Dealing with FACTS.

(General comment... see two paragraphs below) Resources are FINITE.
Linux on the desktop is a TINY market (vs. Windows) with little
potential to SELL software. Most Linuxers expect FREE ($$$) software,
and, some purists demand free (code) software (the two groups are NOT
necessarily the same). Neither of these attitudes are conducive to the
SALE of software (reminder: see 2 para below before commenting)

>From a practical point of view it makes little sense to devote
resources to making an app for a group of platforms which comprise a
tiny portion of the paying market. Mac OS X is a better choice because
it's one platform, has a respectable number of users (vs. desktop
Linux... to paraphrase the US comment on the EU governance model...
"who do we consult when we want to code for `Linux'?"), and, is a
great spring-board for going to Linux given that Mac OS X is a full
blown *nix (that doesn't change every five minutes or has a wide range
of configuration issues).

PS Granted, Google doesn't make its money off selling user-level
software (except for Google Earth so far), but, that still doesn't
mean they should run out and write software IMMEDIATELY (when they
state they will do so eventually) which is going to divert scarce
resources from other worthwhile projects (and, arguably Google is
doing AMAZING things with their scarce resources... Google Maps really
is giving the others a run for their money... I haven't use MapQuest
for aeons and Yahoo Maps is only pulled up in rare occasions).

B. Part two: See the quotes above. According to their OWN statements,
Google IS planning on Mac OS X and Linux versions! And, Google WILL
release the information needed for 3rd parties to do voice chat with
Google Talk (and, someone else on this list posted that one of the
authors of GAIM has established ties with Google Talk).

Take deep breath. End of soap box rant!

Eric.

On 12/13/05, Serg Belokamen <serg.belokamen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Its rather ironic isn't it. Google, company essentialy built on Linux
> technologies does not provide Linux clients to users. A very nice
> thank you in did. Do no evil my ass.
>
>   Serg
>
> On 14/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
> > feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can connect
> > to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
> > client to use the voice chat.
> >
> > This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
> > me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi  Wed Dec 14 14:13:21 2005
From: ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi (Ari Torhamo)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:21 +0200
Subject: Evolution: images in HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <43A006D7.7070306@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <1134553366.7552.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512140152y4f461c80g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134557543.7552.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A006D7.7070306@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1134569601.7552.71.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ke, 2005-12-14 kello 11:49 +0000, Tony Arnold kirjoitti:

> Thunderbird puts a big banner accross the top of the message saying
> images have been witheld for whatever reason and provides a big button
> to load the images if you really want to see them.
> 
> Regards,
> Tony.


Perhaps this is another option to be considered for Evolution. Anyway I
think it's not good to keep content away from the user without telling
him about it.

Regards,

Ari




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 14:16:20 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:16:20 +1100
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <43A008CD.6060203@gmail.com>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
	<1134551037.4162.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A008CD.6060203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051215011620.36d56734.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:58:05 +0000
Sarangan Thuraisingham <sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you all, but what about network activity. For files list I can use 
> 'lsof', but is there anything like that for network connections and 
> bandwidth usage per process?

Perhaps bmon or iftop ?
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From jruschme at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:16:10 2005
From: jruschme at gmail.com (John Ruschmeyer)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:16:10 -0500
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
In-Reply-To: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43A0292A.4060703@gmail.com>

Keith Powell wrote:

>From what I have been able to find out, it would appear that the chat 
>programs are very restricted.
>
>It seems that, chatting over the internet, Skype can only talk to 
>Skype, GnomeMeeting to GnomeMeeting, Gizmoproject to Gizmoproject, 
>and so on. In other words, both users have to be running the same 
>program.
>
>Is this correct, or can different programs be used either end of the 
>chat?
>  
>
The question is not so much the programs as the protocols they support.

Skype is, aurguably, the worst in this regard. It uses a proprietary 
protocol and, as you pointed out, you can only use it to talk to other 
Skype users. (I'll ignore Skype-out for obvious reasons.)

GnomeMeeting, on the other hand, is based on the H.323 protocol for 
audio and video conferencing and, therefore, can interoperate with other 
videoconferencing clients such as Microsoft NetMeeting.

Gizmoproject is built on top of the Sip protocol with the underlying 
infastructure provided by sipphone.com. As a result, you could sing up 
with Gizmoproject, but then use and Sip-based client to talk to other 
Gizmoproject users. Further, with a little bit of trick dialing one can 
even use the interconnection of Sip networks to talk to users on, say, 
FreeWorldDialup.

<<<john>>>



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:19:20 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:19:20 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <1134515871.5660.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134515871.5660.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512140619h30e9be19q8033e7de4740f546@mail.gmail.com>

How does sokelinux differ from Edubuntu? My question is more re: the
packages included.

I pulled in all the "Education" packages from main (for Ubuntu 5.10)
and there are some really cool bits in there, but the collection seems
somewhat sparse (I'm sure there must be more out there). Presumably
Edubuntu has more than what is in the "education" section.

Eric.

On 12/13/05, Mario Vukelic <mario.vukelic at dantian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 16:37 -0500, Sean Quinn wrote:
> > technology teacher
>
> He might be interested in Edubuntu and/or Skolelinux:
> http://www.edubuntu.org/
> http://www.skolelinux.org/



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:19:31 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:49:31 +0530
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
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I know that ! How do I add the user to the audio group?I am using only
CLI.Does evince work in CLI ? Also any games available for the CLI ?

cheers
Vignesh

On 12/14/05, Shot - Piotr Szotkowski <shot at hot.pl> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> VIGNESH:
>
> > I added a new user. How do I allow
> > that user to access the sound device?
>
> Add that user to the audio group.
>
> > Also how do I read pdf documents.
>
> With Evince (in Breezy should be installed by default)
> or Acrobat Reader (install the package acroread from universe).
>
> Cheers,
> -- Shot
> --
>     A good friend can tell you what is the matter with you in a minute. He
>     may not seem such a good friend after telling.      -- Arthur Brisbane
> ====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ ===
> http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
>
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 14:19:57 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:19:57 +1100
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <4cfbf5bd0512140413g6f6dbde5l8523f1db1530606e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134529788.6981.0.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<4cfbf5bd0512132018v3212067o79fbf79d8b8e9814@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.200sly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<4cfbf5bd0512140413g6f6dbde5l8523f1db1530606e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:13:52 -0500
Sean Quinn <seandq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Doesn't Breezy (I worked on docs) have an updated version of Ubuntuguide [or
> something like it] in its own local Gnome-Help?

Correct :)
Just clicking on the help icon gets you the info.
Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide

Peter
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:26:50 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:26:50 +0000
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512140607q5632e615m15ad1593f485fbe0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512140607q5632e615m15ad1593f485fbe0@mail.gmail.com>
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Mate you should get out more......

On 14/12/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great. Yet another POSITIVE comment coming out of the Linux
> "community" (whatever that may be... open source/Linux fandamentalism
> is harmful IMNSHO).
>
> >From Google Talk:
> "5. What protocols are used for voice calls?
>
> Google Talk supports a custom XMPP-based signaling protocol and
> peer-to-peer communication mechanism. We will fully document this
> protocol. In the near future, we plan to support SIP signaling.
>
> 6. Which voice codecs do you support?
>
> Today, Google Talk supports the following standard voice codecs: PCMA,
> PCMU, G.723, iLBC. We are also evaluating the Speex codec. We also
> support codecs from Global IP Sound: ISAC, IPCMWB, EG711U, EG711A"
>
> "3. Do you plan to support the Google Talk client on other platforms?
>
> We look forward to the Google Talk client supporting Linux and Mac OSX
> in the future."
>
> Take deep breath. Step on soap box.
>
> I am tired of hearing people whinge about open source and/or Linux and
> how companies/individuals should jump to support their favourite
> distro without providing the company with incentive or reason to do
> so. Just because is not good enough!
>
> To set the record straight re: Google Talk, Linux and the obligations
> of Linux users re: others.
>
> A. Linux is provided with only one string attached!
> Changes/improvements to the software covered by the licence(s) must be
> made available to others. NOTHING MORE! No other legal or moral
> obligation gets placed on the user regarding their own software/other
> software. NONE!!! ABSOLUTELY NONE
>
> If we reason that merely because a company (e.g. Google) _uses_ Linux
> they are obligated to write software for Linux (for free ($$$)
> presumbly), then we can also reason that every single individual USER
> of Linux who uses Linux in their professional lives (or personal
> lives), then they owe the wider "Linux community" their services FOR
> FREE!
>
> B. Dealing with FACTS.
>
> (General comment... see two paragraphs below) Resources are FINITE.
> Linux on the desktop is a TINY market (vs. Windows) with little
> potential to SELL software. Most Linuxers expect FREE ($$$) software,
> and, some purists demand free (code) software (the two groups are NOT
> necessarily the same). Neither of these attitudes are conducive to the
> SALE of software (reminder: see 2 para below before commenting)
>
> >From a practical point of view it makes little sense to devote
> resources to making an app for a group of platforms which comprise a
> tiny portion of the paying market. Mac OS X is a better choice because
> it's one platform, has a respectable number of users (vs. desktop
> Linux... to paraphrase the US comment on the EU governance model...
> "who do we consult when we want to code for `Linux'?"), and, is a
> great spring-board for going to Linux given that Mac OS X is a full
> blown *nix (that doesn't change every five minutes or has a wide range
> of configuration issues).
>
> PS Granted, Google doesn't make its money off selling user-level
> software (except for Google Earth so far), but, that still doesn't
> mean they should run out and write software IMMEDIATELY (when they
> state they will do so eventually) which is going to divert scarce
> resources from other worthwhile projects (and, arguably Google is
> doing AMAZING things with their scarce resources... Google Maps really
> is giving the others a run for their money... I haven't use MapQuest
> for aeons and Yahoo Maps is only pulled up in rare occasions).
>
> B. Part two: See the quotes above. According to their OWN statements,
> Google IS planning on Mac OS X and Linux versions! And, Google WILL
> release the information needed for 3rd parties to do voice chat with
> Google Talk (and, someone else on this list posted that one of the
> authors of GAIM has established ties with Google Talk).
>
> Take deep breath. End of soap box rant!
>
> Eric.
>
> On 12/13/05, Serg Belokamen <serg.belokamen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Its rather ironic isn't it. Google, company essentialy built on Linux
> > technologies does not provide Linux clients to users. A very nice
> > thank you in did. Do no evil my ass.
> >
> >   Serg
> >
> > On 14/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The only reason I keep booting into windows is to use the voice chat
> > > feature of google talk. It doesn't work with wine atm and I can
> connect
> > > to google talk's servers with gaim but you have to have the official
> > > client to use the voice chat.
> > >
> > > This functionality is vital to me, I have installed skype but it gives
> > > me problems (laggy in both windows and linux versions.)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From wim.bertels at khleuven.be  Wed Dec 14 15:14:34 2005
From: wim.bertels at khleuven.be (Wim Bertels)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:14:34 +0100
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <E1EY3of-0003Nr-IE@rince.africaninspace.com>
References: <E1EY3of-0003Nr-IE@rince.africaninspace.com>
Message-ID: <1134573274.15461.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> Tim Frost wrote:
> 
> > ntpdate is used only when you BOOT the system.

an easy thing u can do is:
right click on the upper richt corner of your screen,
and their synchronise your clock to a time server (ntp server),
u only have to click..

> 
> Well, no.  On my system it's run whenever I up a network interface.
> > 
> > The program that performs regular time synchronisation services is the
> > NTP server, /usr/bin/ntpd, which is in the separate package, ntp-server.
> > That program runs as a daemon, which means that it is doing its job in
> > the background.
> 
> That seems counter to what the poster requested.  Why run a permanent daemon
> if what you want is to just check your time weekly.  Run ntpdate from
> cron.weekly, instead.  Most desktop users don't have the need to have their
> clocks as perfectly synchronized as ntpd will keep them.  As long as my
> alarm daemon notifies me within 30 seconds of the real time, it's good
> enough for me.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:19 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> >> is there not another option (that makes more sense to me) to have the
> >> sync happen only once a week or somesuch?  And when it does, in the
> >> background so everything is not waiting on it?
> 
> cron would accomplish that.  Plus, if you're running anacron, it would also
> get run (asynchronously) after each boot.  
> -- 
> derek
> 
> 
> 




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 14 14:48:17 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:48:17 -0400
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com>
Message-ID: <hun573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

quinn wrote:

> I use Ubuntu on a laptop, and sometimes Ubuntu shuts off the screen, and
> I cannot get it to turn back on.
> 
> I know that it shuts the screen off if I shut the laptop far enough, so
> I now have to carry it around with the screen in the fully upright
> position if I want to move it.
> 
> Sometimes it also turns the screen off for no reason that I can
> determine.  It is not a result of leaving the laptop unused for too
> long, because sometimes I can leave it for a long time and it is fine,
> and sometimes I leave it for a much shorter time and I come back and the
> screen is off.
> 
> I have tried turning off the "save power by turning off the screen"
> option.  I have tried going to another virtual terminal (which fixed
> this problem for someone else), and I have no other virtual terminals,
> despite the fact that that is supposed to be the default, and there is
> no way to turn on virtual terminals.
> 
> The laptop is a Toshiba 5105 S702.
> 
> How can I make the screen stop turning off?

Look for a post asking about this on Dells ("Re: Quick Dell laptop test -
help required").  Perhaps it applies to you as well, in which case the
quick fix is to _never_ close the lid unless you're running an X session.

My blind fix when I do that is to ctrl-alt-f1, log in (just assume the login
process is working) and do "sudo vbetool post".  You might verify if that
works for you by going to vt1, login and type that command, but don't hit
"enter" yet.  Then close & open the lid and if the screen is turned off,
hit enter and see if it comes back.  If that works, another solution would
be to write an ACPI rule to always issue "vbetool post" on the LID open
event.
-- 
derek




From wim.bertels at khleuven.be  Wed Dec 14 15:19:17 2005
From: wim.bertels at khleuven.be (Wim Bertels)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:19:17 +0100
Subject: screensaver and flash
Message-ID: <1134573557.15461.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Haloo,

flash: does u're firefox also crashes all the time on flash animations?
(is there been a flash upgrade?)

root at machien:~# dpkg -l | grep flash
ii  libflash-mozplugin                               0.4.13-1ubuntu1
GPL Flash (SWF) Library - Mozilla-compatible
ii  libflash0c2                                      0.4.13-1ubuntu1
GPL Flash (SWF) Library - shared library

screensaver: for some reason my screensaver doesn work,
the screen doesnt switch to screensaver mode, and i find no errors that
help me with this
(dual screen, traditional, workrave, dict and weather applet running)

tnx,
Wim




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 15:23:18 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:23:18 +1100
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
	<d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051215022318.94050378.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:49:31 +0530
VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that ! How do I add the user to the audio group?I am using only
> CLI.Does evince work in CLI ? Also any games available for the CLI ?
> 
> cheers
> Vignesh

Games - I don't really know.

Evince is a GUI app. You might try for example 

pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format

pstotext - Extract text from PostScript and PDF files

To add a user to the audio group:

sudo adduser vignesh audio

(or in my case,  sudo adduser peter audio )

apropos user | grep add
man adduser

<evil grin>

Peter
-- 

Linux User #343161 



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 14 14:52:12 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:52:12 -0400
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>
	<1134538548.14549.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 06:07 +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
>> Yes, here it works.
> 
> Have you updated Dapper today, or is it a few days old ?
> 
> It seems Jean confirms the problem on an up to date system... so I filed
> a bug report...
> 
Sorry, it works for me on my up-to-date (as of yesterday) system.  Have you
tried Shisen-sho?  It's a better game anyway :-) but I expect it uses a lot
of the same code & libraries so it would be interesting to find out if both
are broken for you.
-- 
derek




From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Wed Dec 14 15:27:54 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:27:54 -0500
Subject: courier-imap
In-Reply-To: <39da2baa0512140204q3ea956e4o95e5fde566980da0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39da2baa0512140204q3ea956e4o95e5fde566980da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A039FA.2030906@csee.wvu.edu>

James Cummings wrote:

>Hiya,
>
>In breezy,  I've installed courier-imap to provide a local imap
>server, and am trying to connect to it in Thunderbird.  However, it
>won't let me log in.   If I telnet to localhost 143 the server
>responds (though I don't log in) but authentication doesn't take place
>properly when I try with thunderbird.
>
>Is this a PAM-related problem?  What do I need to change so I can just
>use my user password to login to courier-imap?
>
>  
>

You probably need to configure the courier-authdaemon correctly.  Have 
you done this yet?  If not thats most likely your problem.



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 14 14:56:48 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:56:48 +0000
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512122119210.2837@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
	<439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121408130.2970@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051212235804.GB954@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512122119210.2837@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051214145648.GC20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:01:37PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
>  
> > Third: all distros tend to have strengths and weaknesses. Ubuntu has less 
> > weaknesses than most, so I use it. sudo/root is just a peculiarity that is 
> > pretty easy to live with, and easy to bypass if you feel strongly about 
> > it. Simply do <sudo passwd root> and off you go. What's the problem?
> 
> Actually it didn't take that long to find out from this thread that since
> I DO, as you say, "feel strongly about it" I could fix it. The biggest
> problem was that it felt like those who feel just as strongly the other
> way were getting offended because I knew I didn't want to use sudo
> before I read all the arguments for it. ( I never said I wouldn't read
> the arguments. It's just that at least for now, I wasn't taking my closed
> system there.)

Seeing as you've seen fit to comment on others above who caused you a
'problem', I think I'll add a comment or two of my own.

The only person I've seen express strong views on sudo/root is
yourself.

I was one of the first to reply to your request for help with the
'root problem' and the first to clearly show you to do 'sudo passwd
root' to fix that.

I haven't got strong views (and certainly not feelings) on sudo/root
either way and I'll let you into a little 'secret'.  I have root
enabled on _all_ my boxen (for reasons that I won't go into here).
I am certainly not offended if you choose to enable root, just puzzled
that someone would choose to install a new distro when time is so
short that they wouldn't have the opportunity to get the feel for it.

And, despite what you say above, you made it quite clear in a 100
line self described 'rant' relpy to one of my posts that you have no
intention of using sudo whatever the reasons.

What I do find slightly offensive, however, is that someone who clearly
has both the technical capability and the time (as amply demonstrated
by yourself over the last three days) chooses to use other people to
do the 'leg work' rather than doing a little research themslelves.

If it really bothered me (it doesn't), I know perfectly well how to
redirect your mails to /dev/null.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 14 13:11:57 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:11:57 +0000
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <43A008CD.6060203@gmail.com>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
	<1134551037.4162.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A008CD.6060203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214131157.GB20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:58:05AM +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham wrote:

> Thank you all, but what about network activity. For files list I can use 
> 'lsof', but is there anything like that for network connections and 
> bandwidth usage per process?

Try 'ntop'.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 14 13:04:40 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:04:40 +0000
Subject: Connecting to Internet - again
In-Reply-To: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051214130440.GA20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 09:51:26AM +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> 
> My sincere thanks for the trouble that so many, especially David, have taken 
> to help me get connected. I now have two items on my desktop ("Connect" 
> and "Disconnect" which use "pon" and "poff") which connect me to my service
> provider (and disconnect me again) easily and without any need for passwords.

Glad you got it going.
 
> David, I am sorry but I must be awful slow at this Ubuntu security. I can
> create a new user but, unless I give that user administrative privileges,  I 
> cannot use the System > Administration > Network applet to connect to the 
> network. I simply get the diagnostic that administration privileges are required 
> (or words to that effect). Of course, if I do give the user administration privileges, 
> it does work but then that user has full rights to do anything they want. This is the 
> "security hole" that I was afraid of. However, this is fairly academic as the pon and
>  poff method works perfectly.

No, you're right, it is a security risk to have to give full admin
privs just for dialup but, as I've said elsewhere, that applet does
all your networking which ordinary users shouldn't be messing with.
I had assumed (wrongly) that there were several working alternatives
in the repository, which would easily avoid the need for that.

[snip]
> My only disappointment if that Gnome-ppp simply does not recognise my
> modem. I have no idea why.

I tried gnome-ppp over the weekend and it didn't detect my modem
either.  As it's a front end to wvdial I ran that from the command
line.

'wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf' correctly found my modem.  'wvdial'
dialed out, said it had found the carrier, then immediately lost it
again but never the less went on to get a 'login:' prompt and just
sat there.  All the time I was looking at syslog (where I understand
its supposed to write something) but I found nothing (nor anything
else under /var/log).

It's odd, I don't recall wvdial ever working for me (and I've tried it
on different hardware several times over the years), yet wvdial is in
'main' so I would've thought it works for someone.

Can anyone report having joy with this supposedly simple interface
to pppd or shed any light on what I might be doing wrong?

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 14 14:36:56 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:36:56 -0400
Subject: courier-imap
References: <39da2baa0512140204q3ea956e4o95e5fde566980da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89n573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

James Cummings wrote:

> In breezy,  I've installed courier-imap to provide a local imap
> server, and am trying to connect to it in Thunderbird.  However, it
> won't let me log in.   If I telnet to localhost 143 the server
> responds (though I don't log in) but authentication doesn't take place
> properly when I try with thunderbird.
> 
> Is this a PAM-related problem?  What do I need to change so I can just
> use my user password to login to courier-imap?

You need, iirc, courier-authdaemon (certainly more than just courier-imap,
anyway).  I just replaced courier with dovecot - smaller, fewer packages,
secure and has all the features I need.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 14 14:40:57 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:40:57 -0400
Subject: Kernel 2.6.15-5, udev and Inspiron 6000
References: <rmeb63-q5d.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<g1g073-ki6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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Derek Broughton wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> I upgraded the kernel last week.  Big mistake.
>> 
>> 2.6.15 came with new initramfs-tools and udev (sans hotplug).  This
>> coombination made my previous kernel (2.6.12-9) unworkable (because it
>> seems to need hotplug).
>> 
>> However, 2.6.15 has trouble with my SATA drive:
>> 
>>   ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy
> 
> Too bad nobody seems to know anything about this.
> 
> I actually _once_ got it to boot 2.6.15-5 and everything worked great -
> except suspend, unfortunately, or I wouldn't have needed to reboot since.
> 
> 2.6.15-7 has replaced 2.6.15-5, and udev has been upgraded to
> 077-0ubuntu4, which has a changelog notice indicating that it needed to
> wait longer for
> SATA hardware.  Now the boot process goes further, but eventually panics.
> 
> Any suggestions for getting it to recognize the SATA drives?  As it is,
> I'm without wireless, external keyboard or mouse, until I get a working
> 2.6.15 kernel or downgrade udev to work with 2.6.12 again.

For anybody else with an Inspiron 6000, the problems are fixed at 2.6.15-8
and udev 077-0ubuntu5 (at least that it boots and recognizes the Intel
wireless - haven't tried USB, but since that worked if I could boot
2.6.15-5, I expect it's fine).
-- 
derek




From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:45:27 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:15:27 +0530
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <20051214131157.GB20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
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Have you read Ubuntu starter guide?

ethereal


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From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 14 15:07:29 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:07:29 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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Peter Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:23:39 -0800
> Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 03:03, David wrote:
>> > I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends).
>> > Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd.
>> > Have I missed something obvious?
>> > 
>> > It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
>> > 
>> > It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
>> > /usr/bin/mail
>> 
>> You'll need to install the mailx package.  It was required by
>> ubuntu-base in Hoary but dropped for Breezy.  I have no idea why.
> 
> I noticed this too. I assume it's part of the "no servers by default"
> policy - if anyone knows whether that's right, please enlighten us.

Well, I'd have to claim a small part in that decision, then.  I have, since
Warty, campaigned - and filed bugs - against the requirement for postfix in
(*)ubuntu-desktop.  I do, though, think it should require
<mail-transport-agent>.  I prefer to use masqmail for a desktop system that
won't ever need a full MTA.
> 
> I found this decision by Ubuntu a bit annoying, but I guess it's something
> only geeks and sysadmins etc need or know about ;-)

It makes me happier :-)
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 15:56:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:56:51 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
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I got it to work in two steps:



1 ) First, I got VESA mode working using the file I made for you.

2 ) I ran the ATI setup script under VESA mode.  It did it thing and
setup the correct xorg.conf file.



Yes.  I am running amd64 ubuntu wit h the ATI configuration.  I had to
make one last change and manually edit the xorg.conf to ensure the
modeline has 1280x800 as the linux-on-laptops guide suggests.



I also got VMPLAYER to work on amd64 ubuntu yesterday.  But I kinda
kludged it.



zenlakin Wrote: 
> I will have to try that when I get home tonight if I have some time. Did
> you get the video working on your r4000? Or did you get the other video
> chip on yours instead of the 128mb 200m graphics chip?


-- 
azcrumpty



From john at technolalia.org  Wed Dec 14 15:59:30 2005
From: john at technolalia.org (john levin)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:59:30 +0000
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <439FACD5.3070101@gmail.com>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<439FACD5.3070101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A04162.3080302@technolalia.org>

Gruneberg wrote:
> Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> 
>> Hi, fellow Dapper testers ;-)
>>
>> Among all the games that come with Ubuntu, there is only one I end up
>> playing, and as my usual luck dictates, that precisely the one that's
>> broken ! ;-)
>>
>> Can anyone start Mahjongg in an up to date Dapper, or is it just me ??
>>
>> -- 
>> Vince
>>
> 
> Does not start on my up to date Dapper either.....
> 
> Jean
> 

My up-to-date Dapper is giving me this error message when I start 
Mahjongg from the terminal:
(mahjongg:5160) Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid 
or setgid.
This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program 
instead.

(Dunno what all that means)

John



From qanton at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 16:08:35 2005
From: qanton at gmail.com (Igor Derbenev)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:08:35 +0300
Subject: fglrx+opengl
Message-ID: <1134576515.1339.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all.
I'm install fglrx driver. But when i run fullscreen OpenGL programm
ubuntu freeze and i can't do anything (Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6/Ctrl+Alt
+backspace) don't work only reset save me, any ideas? I don't find
anything in logs. 

System: AMD64 3000+, 1Gb ram, PCI-E x700pro 256Mb. 




From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 15:56:13 2005
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (Sam Tygier)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:56:13 +0000
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>	<20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
	<d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0409D.8060107@yahoo.co.uk>

VIGNESH wrote:
> I know that ! How do I add the user to the audio group?I am using only 
> CLI.Does evince work in CLI ? Also any games available for the CLI ?

the other reply answers the pdf question. you can use lynx or links to read the html.
or search for names like pdf2txt (there are endless unix tools with similar names).

games, the package bsdgames has a whole load. also see nethack

		
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From olafra at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 16:13:39 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:13:39 +0000
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <20051215022318.94050378.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051215022318.94050378.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e50811220512140813m6c05ab9l@mail.gmail.com>

Elinks is a good text web browser

Olafur Arason
2005/12/14, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:49:31 +0530
> VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I know that ! How do I add the user to the audio group?I am using only
> > CLI.Does evince work in CLI ? Also any games available for the CLI ?
> >
> > cheers
> > Vignesh
>
> Games - I don't really know.
>
> Evince is a GUI app. You might try for example
>
> pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format
>
> pstotext - Extract text from PostScript and PDF files
>
> To add a user to the audio group:
>
> sudo adduser vignesh audio
>
> (or in my case,  sudo adduser peter audio )
>
> apropos user | grep add
> man adduser
>
> <evil grin>
>
> Peter
> --
>
> Linux User #343161
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From survivor at brisnet.org  Wed Dec 14 16:17:05 2005
From: survivor at brisnet.org (=?UTF-8?B?IuWci+eUoiBXZWktWWVlIENoYW4gKE1hZGUgaW4gQ2hpbmFyKSI=?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:17:05 +0800
Subject: Erratic Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <200512141023.12114.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <200512141023.12114.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43A04581.7070809@brisnet.org>

I've got Centos 4.2 installed on one of my desktops and Ubuntu 5.10
installed on my laptop.  So far, I've never experienced anything like
that before.  Have U tried resetting the Adaptive Filter?


Keith Powell wrote:

>Thunderbird will behave for many days, then it will have a spell of 
>marking *all* the downloaded messages as Junk. When it has marked 
>about 150 messages, it is rather laborious manually unmarking each 
>one (except the ones I recognise as junk!).
>
>Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a way of unmarking them 
>all in one go rather than individually?
>
>It was the same in Hoary and with Thunderbird in other distros. So 
>it's not just a Breezy Thunderbird problem.
>
>Many thanks for any advice.
>
>Keith 
>
>  
>




From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 16:21:47 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:21:47 +0000
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
In-Reply-To: <43A0292A.4060703@gmail.com>
References: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
	<43A0292A.4060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512141621.47865.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>

On Wednesday 14 Dec 2005 2:16 pm, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
> Keith Powell wrote:
> >From what I have been able to find out, it would appear that the
> > chat programs are very restricted.
> >
> >It seems that, chatting over the internet, Skype can only talk to
> >Skype, GnomeMeeting to GnomeMeeting, Gizmoproject to Gizmoproject,
> >and so on. In other words, both users have to be running the same
> >program.
> >
> >Is this correct, or can different programs be used either end of
> > the chat?
>
> The question is not so much the programs as the protocols they
> support.
>
> Skype is, aurguably, the worst in this regard. It uses a
> proprietary protocol and, as you pointed out, you can only use it
> to talk to other Skype users. (I'll ignore Skype-out for obvious
> reasons.)
>
> GnomeMeeting, on the other hand, is based on the H.323 protocol for
> audio and video conferencing and, therefore, can interoperate with
> other videoconferencing clients such as Microsoft NetMeeting.
>
> Gizmoproject is built on top of the Sip protocol with the
> underlying infastructure provided by sipphone.com. As a result, you
> could sing up with Gizmoproject, but then use and Sip-based client
> to talk to other Gizmoproject users. Further, with a little bit of
> trick dialing one can even use the interconnection of Sip networks
> to talk to users on, say, FreeWorldDialup.
>
> <<<john>>>

John,

Thank you very much for your clear explanation of the programs' 
protocol differences. 

I would want to chat with both a Skype user, and our family who run 
WindowsXP (not at the same time). So it looks as though I will need 
to install two programs.

A good example of standardisation!

Keith

 



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Wed Dec 14 16:24:10 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:24:10 +0100
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512140619h30e9be19q8033e7de4740f546@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134515871.5660.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<77520bee0512140619h30e9be19q8033e7de4740f546@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134577451.19497.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 09:19 -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> How does sokelinux differ from Edubuntu? My question is more re: the
> packages included.

I actually have no idea about skolelinux, I just saw them once on a
linux expo and figured you might be interested :)  They've been around a
while, that's all I know




From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 16:24:41 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:24:41 -0400
Subject: Need help to connect!
Message-ID: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi

I'm running Ubuntu from an old laptop that does not have ethernet connection
and has a usb port. Since I have Dsl, when I had windows, I connected to
internet from the USB port through my router. But now, I have Ubuntu. I
noticed that it detects the router in the device manager but there is no
connection to internet and I need it !!
I thought that maybe it needs drivers for the USB connection, I searched for
them and found them but only for windows is there something I can do to
install them in Linux??

Is there something i can do ???
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From keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 16:29:23 2005
From: keith at keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk (Keith Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:29:23 +0000
Subject: Erratic Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <43A04581.7070809@brisnet.org>
References: <200512141023.12114.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
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On Wednesday 14 Dec 2005 4:17 pm, 國產 Wei-Yee Chan (Made in Chinar) 
wrote:
> I've got Centos 4.2 installed on one of my desktops and Ubuntu 5.10
> installed on my laptop.  So far, I've never experienced anything
> like that before.  Have U tried resetting the Adaptive Filter?
>
> Keith Powell wrote:
> >Thunderbird will behave for many days, then it will have a spell
> > of marking *all* the downloaded messages as Junk. When it has
> > marked about 150 messages, it is rather laborious manually
> > unmarking each one (except the ones I recognise as junk!).
> >
> >Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a way of unmarking
> > them all in one go rather than individually?
> >

Many thanks for your reply.

I haven't tried resetting the Adaptive Filter, but will do it and see 
if that cures the problem. 

Keith



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 16:50:42 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:20:42 +0530
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512140813m6c05ab9l@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512140850o6b6b6d3fndf860e1d3a844c4e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys..I will reply after trying this out..
Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/14/05, Olafur Arason <olafra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Elinks is a good text web browser
>
> Olafur Arason
> 2005/12/14, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>:
> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:49:31 +0530
> > VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I know that ! How do I add the user to the audio group?I am using only
> > > CLI.Does evince work in CLI ? Also any games available for the CLI ?
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Vignesh
> >
> > Games - I don't really know.
> >
> > Evince is a GUI app. You might try for example
> >
> > pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format
> >
> > pstotext - Extract text from PostScript and PDF files
> >
> > To add a user to the audio group:
> >
> > sudo adduser vignesh audio
> >
> > (or in my case,  sudo adduser peter audio )
> >
> > apropos user | grep add
> > man adduser
> >
> > <evil grin>
> >
> > Peter
> > --
> >
> > Linux User #343161
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Wed Dec 14 17:10:22 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:10:22 -0500
Subject: gcc version in breezy
Message-ID: <fb6605670512140910g16c1236dv920779b068bb1720@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine posted this, and I'm curious about the opinions of
the members of this list, and the ubuntu developers, for their
reasoning in choosing gcc 4 for breezy.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/gcrumb/87789.html

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:12:45 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:12:45 +0200
Subject: Need help to connect!
In-Reply-To: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134580365.6590.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 12:24 -0400, Juan Moreno wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm running Ubuntu from an old laptop that does not have ethernet
> connection and has a usb port. Since I have Dsl, when I had windows, I
> connected to internet from the USB port through my router. But now, I
> have Ubuntu. I noticed that it detects the router in the device
> manager but there is no connection to internet and I need it !!
> I thought that maybe it needs drivers for the USB connection, I
> searched for them and found them but only for windows is there
> something I can do to install them in Linux??
> 
> Is there something i can do ???

Please provide the exact model of your router so we can find if there is
a linux driver available for it.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 17:06:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:06:01 -0500
Subject: Need help to connect!
References: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <localzuk.201ija@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


There are a few supported USB routers now - which one is it that you
have?


-- 
localzuk



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:25:24 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:25:24 -0500
Subject: Dapper Repositories
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I installed Dapper Drake in VMware 5.5, but now I'm wondering what repos to use?

Thanks!

-Steve.



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:27:11 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:27:11 +0200
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
In-Reply-To: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
References: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134581231.6590.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:07 +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
> From what I have been able to find out, it would appear that the chat 
> programs are very restricted.
> 
> It seems that, chatting over the internet, Skype can only talk to 
> Skype, GnomeMeeting to GnomeMeeting, Gizmoproject to Gizmoproject, 
> and so on. In other words, both users have to be running the same 
> program.
> 
> Is this correct, or can different programs be used either end of the 
> chat?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith
> 

Gaim 2.0 is released this Friday according to gaim.sf.net 

This release will include voice and video support for some existing
networks (I believe MSN, Yahoo, Google Talk and ICQ.)




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 17:27:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:27:16 -0500
Subject: gcc version in breezy
References: <fb6605670512140910g16c1236dv920779b068bb1720@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23meg.201jgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This has been discussed many times; Ubuntu's attitude is to adopt new
technologies early, as soon as they're stable enough. To provide a
stable test platform for advancements in open source is one of the key
focuses of Ubuntu and is unlikely to change. If you need to compile
something with gcc 3.4 it's available in the repositories and can be
invoked with a simple environment variable.


-- 
23meg



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:39:08 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:39:08 +0000
Subject: Need help to connect!
In-Reply-To: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1151d440512140824s5746a989g466b238d1fadba16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512140939t338129acr@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/12/05, Juan Moreno <juanmoreno05 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I'm running Ubuntu from an old laptop that does not have ethernet connection
> and has a usb port. Since I have Dsl, when I had windows, I connected to
> internet from the USB port through my router. But now, I have Ubuntu. I
> noticed that it detects the router in the device manager but there is no
> connection to internet and I need it !!

It detects the router? It might be a simple DNS problem then. Can you
ping IP addresses on the Internet?

-Eamonn



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 14 18:01:07 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:01:07 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 23:37, Peter Garrett wrote:
> I noticed this too. I assume it's part of the "no servers by default"
> policy - if anyone knows whether that's right, please enlighten us.

Hopefully they'll stop dumbing down Ubuntu before they remove the X
server too.

Working local email is *essential* for fault-finding on desktop and
server systems unless you're going to rework how cron jobs work.

Wait!  Forget that last part.  We already have sudo and no mail.  Let's
not get any sillier.

Anyone from Kubuntu got your ears on?  Any hope of making Kubuntu a
saner alternative to Ubuntu?

--Mike Bird




From theine at nordita.dk  Wed Dec 14 18:06:27 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:06:27 +0100
Subject: gcc version in breezy
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512140910g16c1236dv920779b068bb1720@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fb6605670512140910g16c1236dv920779b068bb1720@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512141906.28448.theine@nordita.dk>

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 18:10, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/gcrumb/87789.html

What's the big deal? "sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4" and everything's fine, no?

Tobi



From christoph.bier at web.de  Wed Dec 14 18:00:15 2005
From: christoph.bier at web.de (Christoph Bier)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:00:15 +0100
Subject: Breezy on laptop slow and unstable
In-Reply-To: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dnka6s$psg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <dnpmjb$s5$1@sea.gmane.org>

Christoph Bier schrieb am 12.12.2005 17:58:

[...]

> Graphics: S3 ProSavage8 KM266/KL266 (Xorg driver "savage")

I just installed the savage driver from XFree86-4.3.0---the same I
used with Debian Woody (backported) and now image viewing with
gqview is fast again and stable (and there's always a cross in the
foreground of the middle of the display, that can not be shown with
a screenshot[1]). But using gthumb is still quite unstable with
GNOME. Viewing fullscreen kills gthumb---but not with XFce ... Now,
viewing videos doesn't work at all anymore :-(. How can I further
track down the problem? Where else could I ask? I really need a
stable laptop (that is amongst others able to show videos from a
beamer presentation).

BTW: I had the same driver (nv) problem with Hoary on my desktop.
Installing an older version of the XFree86 driver fixed it halfway, too.

[...]

Best,
  Christoph

[1] http://www.zvisionwelt.de/tmpdownloads/pc150286.jpg
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4)




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 18:03:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:03:22 -0500
Subject: FW: Is your skills about to expired?
Message-ID: <matthew.201lba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ROTFL!! I want to attend a college that advertises with such atrocious
grammar.

Go to jail!


-- 
matthew



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 18:26:57 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:26:57 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:01:07 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 23:37, Peter Garrett wrote:
> > I noticed this too. I assume it's part of the "no servers by default"
> > policy - if anyone knows whether that's right, please enlighten us.
> 
> Hopefully they'll stop dumbing down Ubuntu before they remove the X
> server too.
> 
> Working local email is *essential* for fault-finding on desktop and
> server systems unless you're going to rework how cron jobs work.
> 
> Wait!  Forget that last part.  We already have sudo and no mail.  Let's
> not get any sillier.
> 
> Anyone from Kubuntu got your ears on?  Any hope of making Kubuntu a
> saner alternative to Ubuntu?
> 
> --Mike Bird

Well, i wouldn't get *too* upset about this: after all, if you know you
want local mail and why, the solution is one command away.

I was vaguely puzzled and annoyed, but after installing what I needed, I
pretty much forgot about it until it was raised in this thread.

I assume the "server" version that just came out respects the needs of
those who use cron and friends, and who want to receive mail from root to
keep themselves informed. For the desktop, installing mailx pulls in
postfix - or I guess you can choose your mta and install that instead?

As for sudo .... *cough* ... we won't go _there_  AGAIN, will we?
( Please ? )

But we could argue about this forever no doubt ;-)

Peter
 -- 

Linux User #343161 



From jazzy2714 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 18:42:15 2005
From: jazzy2714 at gmail.com (jazzy bear)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:42:15 -0800
Subject: breezy on dell optiplex GX620
Message-ID: <d923543b0512141042x52e1cfc1s401fb635f50d8295@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to put Breezy on a new Optiplex GX620.  The HD is using Serial
ATA, SATA-0 in the BIOS.  For installing, there is a DVD writer: on PATA-0
using Parallel ATA: Philips DVD+/-RW DVD8701.  For SATA Operation set to
Normal, the install CD can't be read, it has a problem reading the install
CD.  When I use Combination, the CD can be read, but it won't recognize the
hard drive.

What can I do?

Please help.

Jazzy

in the bios:

SATA Operation:
Normal: The hard drive controller is configured for native mode.  This mode
provides the highest drive performance and most flexibility.

Combination : the hard drive controller is configured for combination mode.
This mode provides for compatibility with some older operating systems that
do not support SATA drives.
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From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:05:38 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:05:38 -0400
Subject: About the connection drivers prob. The routers model
Message-ID: <a1151d440512141105w6353122al5201bfca36a74646@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for answering, cuz i'm really desperate to solve this problem, cuz
it's the only pc in which I can use Ubuntu and it doesn't wan't to connect
...

You've probably heard this model of router or modem (I really don't know
which one is it ) having this same problem:

Efficients Networks SpeedStream 5200

See what you can do, since I find nothing.
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:08:30 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:08:30 -0500
Subject: Dapper Repositories
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512141108h4bfdb5baqed8aa9815caa4d5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed Dapper Drake in VMware 5.5, but now I'm wondering what repos to use?
>

Standard ubuntu repo's with 'dapper' instead of breezy or hoary in the list.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:09:37 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:09:37 -0400
Subject: Need help to connect! (Eamonn Sullivan)
Message-ID: <a1151d440512141109u687512e9lcb3ebfa2659a3e50@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I'm not quite sure, butI think I can't ping, and I think I have DNS
adresses right so, it must be something, what do you think ??
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From smartssa at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:09:42 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:09:42 -0500
Subject: Voice and video chat programs.
In-Reply-To: <1134581231.6590.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512141007.11630.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk>
	<1134581231.6590.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512141109i54b8e0afx94373c1da8ef4427@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:07 +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
> > From what I have been able to find out, it would appear that the chat
> > programs are very restricted.
> >
> > It seems that, chatting over the internet, Skype can only talk to
> > Skype, GnomeMeeting to GnomeMeeting, Gizmoproject to Gizmoproject,
> > and so on. In other words, both users have to be running the same
> > program.
> >
> > Is this correct, or can different programs be used either end of the
> > chat?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Keith
> >
>
> Gaim 2.0 is released this Friday according to gaim.sf.net
>
> This release will include voice and video support for some existing
> networks (I believe MSN, Yahoo, Google Talk and ICQ.)
>

Sounds good!

Hopefully it is ;)


--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 14 19:20:20 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:20:20 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:26, Peter Garrett wrote:
> I assume the "server" version that just came out respects the needs of
> those who use cron and friends, and who want to receive mail from root to
> keep themselves informed. For the desktop, installing mailx pulls in
> postfix - or I guess you can choose your mta and install that instead?

Bzzt, sorry:

1) mailx is just as important on desktops:
  BIG BOSS: Cronjob WTF?
  SYSADMIN: I'll install mailx on your laptop when you get back from
            Tokyo.  If it still happens after that we can figure out
            what's been breaking.  Meantime, I'll start updating my
            resume shall I?
  
2) mailx is not even installed in server versions:
  http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ubuntu-server-breezy/
  http://wiki.edubuntu.org/SeedManagement

We of course have procedures to deal with this stuff.  The problem
is the new convert who loses an email or a client or a job because
of the perfectly reasonable expectation that a Linux distro's
default configuration is not going to silently discard important
emails.

--Mike Bird




From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:21:32 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:21:32 -0500
Subject: Dapper Repositories
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512141108h4bfdb5baqed8aa9815caa4d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512141108h4bfdb5baqed8aa9815caa4d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512141121i4aa34113keee1ad860a807a30@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/14/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I installed Dapper Drake in VMware 5.5, but now I'm wondering what repos to use?
> >
>
> Standard ubuntu repo's with 'dapper' instead of breezy or hoary in the list.

Heh heh... oops, never thought of that! :-)

Thanks...



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 19:31:53 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:31:53 -0500
Subject: Missing gnome special URIs?
Message-ID: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>

I've been reading the gnome documentation on nautilus and it mentions 
several special URIs including start-here:/// and system-settings:///, 
only they don't seem to exist on ubuntu.  What gives?




From jazzy2714 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:49:43 2005
From: jazzy2714 at gmail.com (jazzy bear)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:49:43 -0800
Subject: philips DVD on Dell Optiplex 620
Message-ID: <d923543b0512141149o10212dfw433ce98067f7bbaa@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to put Breezy on a new Optiplex GX620.  The HD is using Serial
ATA, SATA-0 in the BIOS.  For installing, there is a DVD writer: on PATA-0
using Parallel ATA: Philips DVD+/-RW DVD8701.  For SATA Operation set to
Normal, the install CD can't be read, it has a problem reading the install
CD.  When I use Combination, the CD can be read, but it won't recognize the
hard drive.

What can I do?  The problem seems to be with the Philips drive.  Any ideas?
I've tried several CDs and checked the integrity.


in the bios:

SATA Operation:
Normal: The hard drive controller is configured for native mode.  This mode
provides the highest drive performance and most flexibility.

Combination : the hard drive controller is configured for combination mode.
This mode provides for compatibility with some older operating systems that
do not support SATA drives.
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From depx at neuf.fr  Wed Dec 14 19:39:53 2005
From: depx at neuf.fr (depx)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:39:53 +0100
Subject: disk less workstation : pxe +  nfs boot problem
Message-ID: <1134589194.10477.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

bonjour tout le monde,

I'm trying to boot a disk less workstation (not as ltsp) and the boot
process fail a little after the kernel :

I'm based on breezy and i'm using a different root for the server and
the workstation 


        ... end of kernel start ...
        Begin: Initializing /dev ...
        Done.
        Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount
        Done.
        Begin: Running /scripts/local-top
        [45....32] device-mapper: 4.40-ioctl (2005-01-12) initialised :
            No volume groups found
        Done.
        ALERT! does not exist. dropping to a shell!
        
        BusyBox v1.00pre10 (debian .....) built-in shel (ash)
        Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
        
        /bin/sh: can't  access tty: job control turned off
        

i crawled on google without any success :

I don't know if my kernels parameters are wrong or if i have to modify
something in the boot process ?


about the disk less workstation


        /pxelinux.cfg/default
        
        
                label linux
                kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-k7
                append vga=791 nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/opt/diskless
                initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-k7 ramdisk_size=8192
                init=/sbin/init 
                
        
        /etc/fstab
        
        
                # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>
                <dump>  <pass>
                proc            /proc           proc    defaults
                0       0
                192.168.0.1:/opt/diskless      /   nfs rw,hard,intr    0
                0
                

about the server


        /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
        
        
                option domain-name-servers 80.118.196.40,
                80.118.192.110;
                
                default-lease-time 6000;
                max-lease-time 6000;
                authoritative;
                
                subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
                {
                  range 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.200;
                  option routers 192.168.0.1;
                }
                 
                allow booting;
                allow bootp;
                
                option root-path "/opt/diskless/";
                filename "/pxelinux.0";
                	
        
        /etc/exports
        
        
                /opt/diskless   *(rw,no_root_squash,no_all_squash)



Merci d'avance :)
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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Wed Dec 14 19:50:44 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:50:44 -0500
Subject: gcc version in breezy
In-Reply-To: <200512141906.28448.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <fb6605670512140910g16c1236dv920779b068bb1720@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512141906.28448.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <fb6605670512141150k708115ddxf0097b4c4ada3cbf@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> wrote:
>
> What's the big deal? "sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4" and everything's fine, no?

It's a big deal considering that the individual was an Ubuntu newbie,
so it was hardly as obvious as that. Shipping a compiler of a version
different from what was used to build the kernel is certainly a
non-intuitive step, asking for forum posts about broken kernel
modules. People do still build those, y'know.

I just cannot agree that this was a good move. Make it available for
install from the repositories, but not the default.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From luca76 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 19:53:10 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:53:10 +0100
Subject: Key shortcut t invoke Gnome System Monitor?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512141153m68a57380s850ff83833700e4d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I launched Gnome System Monitor with a combination of keys that I
don't know. What's it?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 14 19:56:22 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:56:22 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051215065622.65095753.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:20:20 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:26, Peter Garrett wrote:
> > I assume the "server" version that just came out respects the needs of
> > those who use cron and friends, and who want to receive mail from root to
> > keep themselves informed. For the desktop, installing mailx pulls in
> > postfix - or I guess you can choose your mta and install that instead?
> 
> Bzzt, sorry:
> 
> 1) mailx is just as important on desktops:
>   BIG BOSS: Cronjob WTF?
>   SYSADMIN: I'll install mailx on your laptop when you get back from
>             Tokyo.  If it still happens after that we can figure out
>             what's been breaking.  Meantime, I'll start updating my
>             resume shall I?

OK, OK :) - point taken!

>   
> 2) mailx is not even installed in server versions:

Now that *is* scary....

>   http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ubuntu-server-breezy/
>   http://wiki.edubuntu.org/SeedManagement
> 
> We of course have procedures to deal with this stuff.  The problem
> is the new convert who loses an email or a client or a job because
> of the perfectly reasonable expectation that a Linux distro's
> default configuration is not going to silently discard important
> emails.

Right - you have a point , indeed.  I respecfully submit. < grovelling
sounds in the background>

Peter





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 20:22:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:22:03 -0500
Subject: School Convert -- Maybe
References: <4cfbf5bd0512131337p5e15890fkf0784ae41ce70e33@mail.gmail.com><1134515871.5660.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<77520bee0512140619h30e9be19q8033e7de4740f546@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jobezone.201rsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


skolelinux is closer to debian, and edubuntu part of ubuntu.

Skolelinux project makes debian-edu, which is part of debian.


-- 
jobezone



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 20:21:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:21:06 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zvsza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<azcrumpty.1zzppz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zzppz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.200dsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	ums.org> <zenlakin.2011va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.201ety@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.201rsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I did the apt wget on the file you made for me and when it downloaded
and I tried to start X I got some sort of error that said it couldn't
find any screens.


-- 
zenlakin



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Wed Dec 14 20:43:57 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:43:57 -0500
Subject: OK so now I can build pine I have to ignore 3222 lines of stderr
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512141423290.2781@localhost.localdomain>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


OK so now I can build pine I have to ignore 3222 lines of stderr

Mostly say either, "pointer targets in passing argument" or 
"incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function"
and a few"function is dangerous"

To more consistently explain what I did to people who know more than I
about it I chose to use an /root/bin script to retrieve and build
the latest pine. This way I can say what I did and in what order.

This was after Tobias Heinemann so kindly advised me to:
apt-get install build-essential
&
apt-get install libssl-dev
in a reply to my previous pine thread.

I did think it was a good time to start another thread though.

The previous was about: "can't build" 

this is about: "is it safe to ignore so many error messages"

I would most welcome any input as to how safe these executables might
be? I mean is the worst that could happen be they might lock up a
terminal window or virtual console???

Wed Dec 14 15:27:45 EST 2005 The following links should be valid for at
least 30 days...
the text of my root script can currently be found at:

http://members.ttlc.net/~jtwdyp/TryBuildPine

I executed it with this command, (I pasted it to the root command line)...

/root/bin/TryBuildPine  2>/root/tmp/pineerr.txt |tee /root/tmp/pineout.txt

A copy of the stdout output can be found at:

http://members.ttlc.net/~jtwdyp/pineout.txt

A copy of the stderr output van be found at:

http://members.ttlc.net/~jtwdyp/pineerr.txt

And finally here is a directory listing of the resulting executables:

total 17644
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1479697 Dec 14 11:35 imapd
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1395894 Dec 14 11:35 ipop2d
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1402738 Dec 14 11:35 ipop3d
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1398115 Dec 14 11:35 mailutil
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1403263 Dec 14 11:35 mtest
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  418075 Dec 14 11:35 pico
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  412602 Dec 14 11:35 pilot
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 6520816 Dec 14 11:36 pine
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1782829 Dec 14 11:36 rpdump
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1785772 Dec 14 11:36 rpload

Thanks Joe

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   ##it's_STILL_IN_my_outbox_folder_._._._=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+;-)_##
   #gpg sig for: Joe (theWordy) Philbrook DSA key ID 0x6C2163DE#
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-- 
|      ?           ?		
|			
|        -=-   -=-	 I'm NOT clueless...    	
|        <?>   <?>    	But I just don't know.  	
|            ^          Joe (theWordy) Philbrook           
|           ---  	     J(tWdy)P
|			  <jtwdyp at ttlc.net> 
|      ?           ?		





From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Wed Dec 14 20:54:06 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:54:06 -0500
Subject: [what's skype?]Re: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the
 saga: now it's cc errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131732040.2716@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EFE96.6040906@nordita.dk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131732040.2716@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512141546360.2781@localhost.localdomain>

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Hash: SHA1

It would appear that on Dec 13, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say:

> Thanks! I'll follow up again with the results.

Well I'm now able to "build" it, (haven't tested the executables yet)

But the thing is I got a mother load of error messages...

See my new thread for details, look for the subject:

"Subject: OK so now I can build pine I have to ignore 3222 lines of stderr"

See Ya!
	Joe

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-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->	   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|	^		J(tWdy)P
|    ~\___/~	     <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>




From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 14 21:00:08 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:00:08 +0000
Subject: Flight CD 2
Message-ID: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org>

Hello world,

Flight CD 2 is ready. This is the second in a series of milestone CD
images that will be released throughout the Dapper development cycle, as
images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or
installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Dapper. You
can download it here:

  Europe:
    http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-2/ (Ubuntu)
    http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/ (Kubuntu)

  United Kingdom, and the rest of the world:
    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-2/ (Ubuntu)
    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/ (Kubuntu)

An Edubuntu release should follow soon. Please download using BitTorrent
if possible, and see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive for other mirrors.

A list of notable changes in this release across the whole distribution
is available here, thanks to Matt Galvin:

  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2


This release has been somewhat delayed due to the switch to Linux 2.6.15
and the new hardware detection and activation infrastructure that comes
along with it (new udev and the demise of the old hotplug scripts; see
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000028.html).
This is mostly done now, but the whole point of getting it in early in
the Dapper development cycle was to attract as many bug reports about
breakage as possible, so please do report (component: linux or udev,
depending on the bug) any failures to detect your hardware, especially
if those failures are also regressions from Ubuntu 5.10.

This release also includes a new simplified live CD boot system
(http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimplifiedLiveCD), included at the eleventh hour
because the alternative options stood a good chance of taking
considerably longer to get working. This system should ultimately end up
being faster and more visually pleasing than the one in Ubuntu 5.10, but
at the moment it's text-only, spews a lot of error messages, and
includes long delays with no progress feedback (we would really have
preferred to land it just after Flight CD 2 rather than just before if
it had been possible, but there we go). Please don't file bug reports
just about the ugliness; we are aware of it and it will be improved.

Other significant changes affecting the installer and live CD include:

  * New graphical x86 CD bootloader screen, using gfxboot. This is
    partly there for general aesthetics and partly in order to push
    language selection back to the bootloader so that the live CD
    doesn't have to ask any questions (keymap selection will move here
    too but this hasn't been done yet). Bug reports (component: gfxboot)
    on any quirks this displays on your machine would be appreciated.
    While it's theoretically possible to enable this graphical
    bootloader for the installed system too, the use case for that is
    less immediately compelling and we probably won't look at it until
    after Dapper.

  * Default vga16fb resolution changed to 640x400. This should avoid the
    need to boot many machines with kernel arguments like vga=771 just
    to be able to see all of the screens displayed by the installer. We
    don't think that this change should make things worse on any
    machines, but if it does, please file a bug report (component:
    linux).

  * New udev-based PCMCIA infrastructure supporting the new kernel.
    cardmgr from pcmcia-cs is no longer especially useful, but I
    recommend not storming ahead and purging pcmcia-cs just yet; that
    includes some configuration files that we still need. If your PCMCIA
    cards don't activate properly, then please file a bug report
    (component: pcmciautils).

  * Switched to rewritten versions of the APT configuration and
    user/password configuration screens in the installer. The former
    will no longer ask duplicate questions in netboot installs, and the
    latter is now asked before base system installation.

  * 'localhost.localdomain' is no longer made the canonical hostname of
    127.0.0.1; the old behaviour broke some applications.

  * Automatic LVM configuration options are now available on powerpc
    too.

  * Various enhancements to rescue mode. On powerpc, it now knows how to
    offer an option to reinstall the yaboot bootloader; this will be
    added for other architectures and bootloaders in time too.

  * Added boot performance measurement support to the live CD; use the
    'bootchart' boot parameter to enable this.

  * Added a "boot from first hard disk" option to the CD boot menu.

  * Live CD boot text fixed (erratum from Flight CD 1).

  * Appearance of debconf priority question before reboot fixed (erratum
    from Flight CD 1).

Known bugs:

  * Network interfaces may not be brought up automatically on boot.
    Putting 'auto eth0' (or whatever your interface is called) in
    /etc/network/interfaces generally fixes this, although I'm not sure
    what the final fix is going to be yet.

  * Rescue mode selection is broken on some images when booting on an
    x86-64-class computer. The underlying issue has already been fixed,
    but it was going to take too long to run around rebuilding all the
    images. As a workaround at the boot screen, select the "Install to
    the hard disk" option, press F3 to edit boot options, and add
    "rescue/enable=true".

  * Rescue mode doesn't work on the live CD any more, as a casualty of
    the simplified live CD. I may bring it back at the cost of CD space,
    or we may do something else in the simplified environment; this has
    not yet been decided.

  * Network devices that require firmware will not be detected by the
    installer (a udev-udeb bug).

  * If the installer fails to detect your network card, then it's harder
    than it should be to continue without the network card and sort it
    out later. This bug was introduced by moving to the new apt-setup.

  * The live CD now uses unionfs, which seems very flaky on powerpc.
    Testing is welcome to check that it isn't just my machine; if that's
    the case, we will drop back to the old device-mapper snapshot
    approach there.


If you're interested in following changes as we further develop Dapper,
have a look at the dapper-changes list:

  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/dapper-changes

We also suggest that you subscribe to the ubuntu-devel-announce list if
you're interested in following Ubuntu development. This is a low-traffic
list (a few posts a week) carrying announcements of approved
specifications, policy changes, alpha releases, and other interesting
events. Future Flight CD announcements may only go to this list.

  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce

The Testing area of the wiki suggests various tests that can be
performed on Flight CD releases to try to catch bugs far enough before
the final release that they can be fixed:

  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing

Bug reports should go here for now (although we intend to switch over to
Launchpad's bug tracking facilities soon):

  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/

Enjoy,

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]
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From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Wed Dec 14 21:07:33 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:07:33 -0700
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now
	it's	cc	errors??
In-Reply-To: <439EFC13.7040703@nordita.dk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>	<439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com>
	<439EFC13.7040703@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <43A08995.5090801@angrykeyboarder.com>

Tobias Heinemann wrote:
>  > I am not really familiar with other command line mail readers very
>  > much, but just about anything has to be better than pine.
> 
> I heard good things about mutt.
> 
> Tobi
> 

If one feels compelled to use a console-based client then I suppose Mutt 
is the best.

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to use an X-based client for 
email.



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Wed Dec 14 21:17:33 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:17:33 -0700
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A08BED.7030103@angrykeyboarder.com>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> 
> I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc errors??
> 
> 

I only compile from source when there is no other alternative.

My curiosity drove me crazy so I checked and in this case there is an 
alternative.

$ wget ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine_4.64_i386.deb
$ sudo dpkg -i pine_4.64_i386.deb

Badda-Bing! Badda-Boom!

Scott




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 14 21:14:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:14:00 -0500
Subject: Problems with search function at http://www.ubuntu.com/
References: <77520bee0512140508s21ffd9b4x3d172433be07871@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.201tnb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I believe the webmasters don't read these forums. Neither do the
developers! You should be sending an email to webmaster at ubuntulinux.org


-- 
anil_robo



From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Wed Dec 14 21:41:45 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:41:45 +1000
Subject: Breezy CDs received
In-Reply-To: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>

I have finally received my Breezy CDs. I've already distributed a couple 
to some clients who happen to be around when I took delivery of the CDs.
I already have Warty installed and running on an 800 Mhz CPU box. I feel 
that I want to do a clean install of Breezy but realize that I already 
have a lot
of software installed.

So I ask, is the update via apt-get as good as a clean install? For 
instance, I installed the OpenOffice2.0 manually. If I do an update, 
will OpenOffice2.0
get replaced by the Breezy version?

BTW, on the Ubuntu WorldWide image showing where the users are from, the 
coordinates of my location are still not showing on the map.
How can I get this on the map? It's going to be the only one but at 
least there is a lonely Ubuntu user from my part of the world unless I take
up the campaign on the use of  open source software agressively  in 2006.

I have already distributed a lot of Warty CDs but the clients are 
hesitant to try them out because of the prevalence of the Windows OS in the
campus network. But one postgraduate student has had Warty installed on 
his PC and he has no regrets.

Alfred




From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 21:37:14 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:37:14 +0000
Subject: Need help to connect! (Eamonn Sullivan)
In-Reply-To: <a1151d440512141109u687512e9lcb3ebfa2659a3e50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1151d440512141109u687512e9lcb3ebfa2659a3e50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512141337y3629b63fq@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/12/05, Juan Moreno <juanmoreno05 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, I'm not quite sure, butI think I can't ping, and I think I have DNS
> adresses right so, it must be something, what do you think ??

Hmm.. not much actual information in that... :-)

There's an easier way. Open a terminal and type ifconfig. Show us what
it says. If you just have localloop, then I'm going to leave you in
the hands of people who know USB and routers.

-Eamonn



From robert_spencer at mighty.co.za  Wed Dec 14 21:16:10 2005
From: robert_spencer at mighty.co.za (roach)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16:10 +0200
Subject: Connecting to Internet - again
In-Reply-To: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <200512142316.10620.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>

On Tuesday 13 December 2005 09:51, Bill Cairns wrote:
<...>
> Also my thanks to Steve for the information on how to configure Firefox.
> My speed of browsing is now as good as one can expect from a slowish
> modem and line. There are certainly a lot of "undocumented" (I am sure
> they are documented somewhere!) configuration features in Firefox.

I got a major speed boost when I went over to wvdial and started using AT 
initialisation strings. Are you using any with your modem and can you please 
tell me which ISP you are using.

> My only disappointment if that Gnome-ppp simply does not recognise my
> modem. I have no idea why.

Is /dev/modem symlinked to your modems serial port? Some ppp rappers expect 
it.

All the best.

-- 
Robert "roach" Spencer
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa



From robert_spencer at mighty.co.za  Wed Dec 14 21:53:43 2005
From: robert_spencer at mighty.co.za (roach)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53:43 +0200
Subject: Connecting to Internet - again
In-Reply-To: <20051214130440.GA20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<20051214130440.GA20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <200512142353.43405.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 15:04, David Hart wrote:
<...>
> 'wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf' correctly found my modem.  'wvdial'
> dialed out, said it had found the carrier, then immediately lost it
> again but never the less went on to get a 'login:' prompt and just
> sat there.

Here the carrier only gets detected after the "username:" prompt.

Have you tried "Stupid Mode" yet?

See: man wvdial.conf

> All the time I was looking at syslog (where I understand
> its supposed to write something) but I found nothing (nor anything
> else under /var/log).

"Supposed to" frequently does not equal reality. :-(

On my system wvdial logs nothing - all I have is the chirping of pppd. I'm 
happy with that, so have not changed it.

Getting logging to work is in the doc's, but is far too much work.

> It's odd, I don't recall wvdial ever working for me (and I've tried it
> on different hardware several times over the years), yet wvdial is in
> 'main' so I would've thought it works for someone.
> 
> Can anyone report having joy with this supposedly simple interface
> to pppd or shed any light on what I might be doing wrong?

Works beautifully over here, the only one in fact to give me consistently good 
results.

Can you show me your wvdial.conf, please.

All the best.

-- 
Robert "roach" Spencer
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa



From robert_spencer at mighty.co.za  Wed Dec 14 22:05:43 2005
From: robert_spencer at mighty.co.za (roach)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:05:43 +0200
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134538548.14549.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <200512150005.44045.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 16:52, Derek Broughton wrote:
<...>
> Have you
> tried Shisen-sho?  It's a better game anyway :-)

Gnome has Shisen-sho!? Cool. :-)

When? Where? I thought that was only KDE.

-- 
Robert "roach" Spencer
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa



From corvin_russell at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 22:10:02 2005
From: corvin_russell at yahoo.com (Corvin Russell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:10:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ndiswrapper + add/delete interface buttons in network-admin
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512131209s66113ef8x8d25831daa3076b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214221002.30704.qmail@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/13/05, Corvin Russell
> <corvin_russell at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am new to Ubuntu but a long time SuSE user. I've
> > installed Ubuntu on a spare computer and I'm
> trying to
> > get the network up and running. The only available
> > network connection is wireless. I need to add the
> > wireless interface, but when I bring up
> network-admin
> > it does not show the "add" or "delete" buttons for
> the
> > interfaces. How can I change this? Failing that,
> how
> > should I add the interfaces?
> 
> The devices that show up are loaded network drivers.
> 
> You'll need to configure the driver for your
> wireless, then it will
> show up and you can then use the 'configure' button
> to do so.
> 
> failing that, you can always manually edit
> /etc/network/interfaces
> 


No. I know that once the interface is present, I can
configure it. eth0 and eth1 are already there, and I
have the option of configuring them. However, there is
no option to delete these interfaces or add another.
The add/delete buttons simply are not present. Now why
aren't they? I have added wlan0 to
/etc/network/interfaces to no effect.

I am using a US Robotics USR5420 usb wireless adapter
based on the Broadcom chipset. I have installed the
driver using ndiswrapper. This same driver works on
SuSE 9.3 (although the driver causes kernel crashes
from time to time). However, when I do "ndiswrapper
-l" on Ubuntu I get the message:

usr5420: invalid driver!

"lsusb" shows the hardware is present. 

The same driver with the same hardware with
ndiswrapper 1.7 is recognized and usable on SuSE. 

So, any advice?

Corvin

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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 22:18:52 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:18:52 -0500
Subject: Breezy CDs received
In-Reply-To: <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com> <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <43A09A4C.7050906@cfl.rr.com>

Please don't post new threads to the mailing list by replying to other 
messages, it causes threaded mail readers to show your messages as being 
part of the original thread.

Alfred Vahau wrote:
> I have finally received my Breezy CDs. I've already distributed a couple 
> to some clients who happen to be around when I took delivery of the CDs.
> I already have Warty installed and running on an 800 Mhz CPU box. I feel 
> that I want to do a clean install of Breezy but realize that I already 
> have a lot
> of software installed.
> 
> So I ask, is the update via apt-get as good as a clean install? For 
> instance, I installed the OpenOffice2.0 manually. If I do an update, 
> will OpenOffice2.0
> get replaced by the Breezy version?
> 
> BTW, on the Ubuntu WorldWide image showing where the users are from, the 
> coordinates of my location are still not showing on the map.
> How can I get this on the map? It's going to be the only one but at 
> least there is a lonely Ubuntu user from my part of the world unless I take
> up the campaign on the use of  open source software agressively  in 2006.
> 
> I have already distributed a lot of Warty CDs but the clients are 
> hesitant to try them out because of the prevalence of the Windows OS in the
> campus network. But one postgraduate student has had Warty installed on 
> his PC and he has no regrets.
> 
> Alfred
> 
> 




From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 22:25:52 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:52 -0400
Subject: Need help to connect! (Eamonn Sullivan)
Message-ID: <a1151d440512141425s2fae486eu57f43b1eda98679@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately yes, I have a Local Loopback (lo) , not eth0 as it should.
Is there something I can do other than erasing ubuntu ????
Please someone. !
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 22:49:50 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:49:50 -0800
Subject: Need help to connect! (Eamonn Sullivan)
In-Reply-To: <a1151d440512141425s2fae486eu57f43b1eda98679@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1151d440512141425s2fae486eu57f43b1eda98679@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134600590.26309.208.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 18:25 -0400, Juan Moreno wrote:
> Unfortunately yes, I have a Local Loopback (lo) , not eth0 as it
> should.
> Is there something I can do other than erasing ubuntu ????
> Please someone. !

Can you do 

lspci


And post the result


Vram






From rick at rickandpatty.com  Wed Dec 14 22:53:05 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (rick at rickandpatty.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:53:05 -0500
Subject: Problems with CompactFlash reader on Thinkpad x31
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.12.14.11.56.29.580607@krag.org>
References: <pan.2005.12.14.11.56.29.580607@krag.org>
Message-ID: <50862.65.0.209.114.1134600785.squirrel@rickandpatty.com>

> If I
> reinsert the card (or a different card) a second time, the device is
> recognized, and mounted, and the icon shows up for a fraction of a second,
> but then the card is instantly unmounted again.

This is not a Thinkpad-specific problem - it happens to me on Thinkpads
and my JVC mininote - basically on any laptop I've tried with any CF<->PC
Card adapter, including the built-in ones on the X22 and X20.

Hal apparently thinks that you want to unmount the card as soon as it is
mounted.

Solution/workaround:

Edit the script /etc/dev.d/block/hal-unmount.dev
Add "exit 0" right after the "#!/bin/sh" line, so it looks like this:

#!/bin/sh

exit 0

# sanity check. DEVNAME should start with a /
[ "$DEVNAME" != "${DEVNAME#/}" ] || exit 0

[... and so on...]


This disables the script that "helpfully" unmounts your flash card as soon
as it gets mounted.  The only side effect is that you must anually unmount
USB devices before remonving them, but I always do that anyway.

--Rick
http://rickandpatty.com




From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 22:53:28 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:53:28 -0500
Subject: Dapper Repositories
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512141121i4aa34113keee1ad860a807a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512141108h4bfdb5baqed8aa9815caa4d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<adbefcbf0512141121i4aa34113keee1ad860a807a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512141453g56119127w152d164663bffc3@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a different list that I should use for Dapper Drake questions?

Today Flight CD 2 of Dapper Drake was released... will my Flight CD 1
install upgrade everything through repository updates?

Thanks!



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 22:55:56 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:55:56 +0200
Subject: Need help to connect! (Eamonn Sullivan)
In-Reply-To: <a1151d440512141109u687512e9lcb3ebfa2659a3e50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1151d440512141109u687512e9lcb3ebfa2659a3e50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134600957.6590.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:09 -0400, Juan Moreno wrote:
> Hey, I'm not quite sure, butI think I can't ping, and I think I have
> DNS adresses right so, it must be something, what do you think ??

You need to tell us which router you have. If you don't, how can we help
you?




From andreas at schildbach.de  Wed Dec 14 23:11:36 2005
From: andreas at schildbach.de (Andreas Schildbach)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:11:36 +0100
Subject: Question about installing second copy of Ubuntu
Message-ID: <dnq8r4$2a9$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello everyone,

is it possible to install a second copy of Ubuntu (e.g. Dapper) on a 
second partition, without the second copy taking over control over the 
boot menu?

I'd like the second copy to add itself to /boot/grub/menu.lst on the 
first partition instead, and let the mbr/boot record alone.

Is this possible?

Regards,

Andreas




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 14 23:25:16 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:25:16 -0800
Subject: Question about installing second copy of Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <dnq8r4$2a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dnq8r4$2a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1134602717.26309.212.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 00:11 +0100, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> is it possible to install a second copy of Ubuntu (e.g. Dapper) on a 
> second partition, without the second copy taking over control over the 
> boot menu?
> 
> I'd like the second copy to add itself to /boot/grub/menu.lst on the 
> first partition instead, and let the mbr/boot record alone.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 

Yes...

Just do a regular install and it will add itself to the present menu..


HTH


Vram





From ubuntu at tonix.org  Thu Dec 15 00:10:52 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:10:52 +0000
Subject: Connecting to Internet - again
In-Reply-To: <200512142353.43405.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
References: <s39e99b8.008@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<20051214130440.GA20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<200512142353.43405.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051215001051.GA10318@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:53:43PM +0200, roach wrote:

> On my system wvdial logs nothing - all I have is the chirping of pppd. I'm 
> happy with that, so have not changed it.
> 
> Getting logging to work is in the doc's, but is far too much work.

Hmm.  Thanks, but if it's far to much work to get it to log when it's
supposed to by default I think I'll skip spending any more time with it.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec 15 00:13:11 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
In-Reply-To: <s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>
	<1134538548.14549.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134605591.14549.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:52 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Sorry, it works for me on my up-to-date (as of yesterday) system.

Wow, that's strange ! :-/
Jean, and now john, confirm the problem, and when I filed my bug report
yesterday http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20969 , it was
instantly marked as a duplicate of a well known/identified problem,
which apparently doesn't only affect Mahjongg.

It's a wonder that it works on your machine... maybe you didn't do a
"clean" install of dapper ? Maybe you started from Warty or Hoary or
Breezy and then updated it to Dapper ? Or maybe this bug is doesn't show
on AMD64 or PPC machines or something. 
Maybe you should file a bug about Mahjongg actually WORKING on your
machine, when it reallt shouldn't ?! LOL !! ;o)


> Have you tried Shisen-sho?  It's a better game anyway :-)

Huuu, nope, never heard of that game, I can't see it in the Gnome menu.
Robert seems to suggest that it's a KDE game not a Gnome games, so I
will probably never see it in Ubuntu ;-)
I am not a gamer really anyway, I only play Mahjongg an hour a year or
so. The only other "game" (well, flight simulator more than a game
strictly speaking) I like to play, "X-plane", requires a 3D video card
to render the graphics of course, and since my on-board (nforce chipset)
Nvidia GeForce2 MX brings me nothing but troubles on Ubuntu, well I was
kinda forced to give up on 3D hence X-plane.
I have great hopes in this "open graphics" project, though, but
according to development plans, it will take them a year or so before
they can at last deliver their first video cards to end users.
But it's just as well, as this gives me time to save the dosh for the
card, and it gives time to the X-plane team to improve their simulator.


> but I expect it uses a lot
> of the same code & libraries so it would be interesting to find out if both
> are broken for you.

Okay, I found that game in Synaptic, I pulled tons of KDE libs (thank
God for broadband !), and the game appears to start without problems.
(I don't like the game though)



--
Vince




From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 00:48:07 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:48:07 -0400
Subject: Need help to connect! -> The lspci (Eamonn Sullivan)
Message-ID: <a1151d440512141648h72d73390y17357b5f0387bf9b@mail.gmail.com>

lspci:

0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host
bridge (r
ev 03)

0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge
(rev
03)

0000:00:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1225 (rev 01)

0000:00:03.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1225 (rev 01)

0000:00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)

0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)

0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)

0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03)

0000:00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i
PCI
Audio Accelerator (rev 10)

0000:00:08.1 Communication controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI
Mod
em Accelerator (rev 10)

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility
P/M A
GP 2x (rev 64)
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From juanmoreno05 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 00:50:33 2005
From: juanmoreno05 at gmail.com (Juan Moreno)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:50:33 -0400
Subject: Need help to connect! (Giorgios)
Message-ID: <a1151d440512141650r3db600fai883943d26fa827f7@mail.gmail.com>

Giorgios, I said it before, it is a Efficient Networks SpeedStream 5200.
Remember I can only connect via USB.
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From olafra at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 00:55:56 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:55:56 +0000
Subject: Missing gnome special URIs?
In-Reply-To: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <e50811220512141655n74d791fs@mail.gmail.com>

It's hasn't been updated that's all.
Start-here had just links to applications:/// system-setttings://
burn:/// fonts:///
and so on, pretty useless since most of them are gone.
System-settings is under the system menu now so that is pretty useless now.
This was apart of copying windows that everything was accessible through
the filebrowser, but the spatial browser made this irrelivant.
You can file a bug against it, it's gnome2-user-guide on
http://buzilla.ubuntu.com

Olafur Arason

2005/12/14, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com>:
> I've been reading the gnome documentation on nautilus and it mentions
> several special URIs including start-here:/// and system-settings:///,
> only they don't seem to exist on ubuntu.  What gives?
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec 15 01:11:59 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:11:59 -0600
Subject: Opera not installing correctly SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <4383B466.3040406@gmail.com>
References: <4383B466.3040406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0C2DF.70207@wadesmart.com>

12142005 1909 GMT-5


Today is a good day. After weeks of not knowing why opera was having 
plugin problems and getting this error message:

    Opera encountered a problem during plug-in setup.

Plug-ins will not work properly.

Check your installation.

Could not start plug-in executable 'operamotifwrapper'.

/home/wadesmart/.opera/plugins/operamotifwrapper-3

Please install Motif.

Plug-in path

(Path can be modified in Preferences dialog)

/usr/lib/opera/plugins

/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins

/usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6

/home/wadesmart/.opera/plugins


I finally found answers and it all worked perfectly.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser

That is the link that I read in the Opera Forums today. I dont know if 
any others of you are still having troubles but this sure solved all my 
problems.

Wade



From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 01:24:06 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:24:06 +0800
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175

This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From pcockriell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 01:31:33 2005
From: pcockriell at gmail.com (Peter Cockriell)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:31:33 -0800
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
Message-ID: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

This is my first Ubuntu install (v5.10) and first time administering a linux
system, though I've been a *nix user for many years.  My install went
absolutely peachy and everything configured properly on the first go.

Today I setup Kerberos v.5, Samba & Winbind in order to share files to users
in a Windows 2003 Server domain.   That went fine and I acquired a lease
(kinit) from the domain server fine.  I had to leave my desk for a moment so
I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my password.  Anyone have any
thoughts on this?  I know I can reset the password through grub, but I'd
prefer to understand why this has happened and how I can prevent the
problem.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers,

Pete.
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From bony.limas at tradingpost.com.au  Thu Dec 15 12:41:19 2005
From: bony.limas at tradingpost.com.au (Bony Limas)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:41:19 +1100
Subject: "Add Applications" Missing
Message-ID: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>

Hi,

I am using Ubuntu 5.10 and new to it. I don't know what I did but the 
"add applications" menu is missing from the applications menu.

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Cheers,

bony




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 01:44:07 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:44:07 -0500
Subject: Problems with search function at http://www.ubuntu.com/
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.201tnb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <77520bee0512140508s21ffd9b4x3d172433be07871@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.201tnb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512141744o684b1a08m8a8f3c2f893272b6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not on the forum ;-), and, you may notice if you look at the
original e-mail that I merely cc-ed the list as an FYI ;-).

Eric.

On 12/14/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I believe the webmasters don't read these forums. Neither do the
> developers! You should be sending an email to webmaster at ubuntulinux.org



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 01:53:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:53:50 -0500
Subject: No sound in zsnes unless run with sudo
References: <1134413010.8577.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <kalos.2026ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm not sure why this happens, but try killing all instances of esd (the
Enlightened Sound Daemon) and then running zsnes (if you have more
troubles, make sure you don't have rhythmbox or other media player
running).

Applications > System Tools > System Monitor
Find 'esd' under process name and click End Process. Repeat until there
are no more.
Run zsnes

Or you can do it with this script (which will restart esd when zsnes
finishes too):

Code:
--------------------
    #! /bin/sh
  # Runs zsnes.
  # Since zsnes doesn't like having esd run at the same time, we have to run
  #  kill esd. But we want it back up and running again so that we can play
  #  music and stuff.
  
  killall esd
  zsnes
  esd -nobeeps &
  
--------------------


copy and paste into gedit, save into ~/scripts/zsnes.sh, open terminal
and type -chmod 744 ~/scripts/zsnes.sh- (you can also use 755 to allow
other users to run that script. see -man chmod- for more info).

or if the script is too much for you, you can just add this as a
command from the run application dialog:

Code:
--------------------
    killall esd; zsnes; esd -nobeeps &
--------------------


-kalos


-- 
kalos



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 02:06:39 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (Sarangan Thuraisingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:06:39 +0000
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0CFAF.5050902@gmail.com>

Peter Cockriell wrote:
[...]
> I had to leave my desk for a 
> moment so I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my password.  
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?  I know I can reset the password 
> through grub, but I'd prefer to understand why this has happened and how 
> I can prevent the problem.

Ok if your XSession was locked, did you try unlocking it with your 
normal login password. Do you have multiple accounts on this computer, 
if so are you using the right password for the right user? If you are 
confident that you are doing everything right, then can try the following.

You can switch to the first virtual terminal by pressing 
CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+F1 then login using the same username and password as 
your current xsession. If you can then you are login password is working 
and there is something wrong with screen lock. But if you can't login, 
then you have changed your password while playing with samba or other 
settings. Then the solution would be to try the passwords that you think 
you set for samba.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 02:21:26 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:21:26 -0500
Subject: Dapper Repositories
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512141453g56119127w152d164663bffc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512140925t62392dd6rd1230f7137c028e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512141108h4bfdb5baqed8aa9815caa4d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<adbefcbf0512141121i4aa34113keee1ad860a807a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<adbefcbf0512141453g56119127w152d164663bffc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512141821q3e402b70vc646545845381b4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a different list that I should use for Dapper Drake questions?
>
> Today Flight CD 2 of Dapper Drake was released... will my Flight CD 1
> install upgrade everything through repository updates?
>

It will update from the repositories.  You should see a lot of
available updates... I just saw a couple hundred packages get
installed, hopefully nothing breaks when I reboot for the kernel and
nvidia driver update. :)

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From jsmcq at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 02:31:36 2005
From: jsmcq at comcast.net (Jim McQuiston)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:31:36 -0500
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <43A0CFAF.5050902@gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A0CFAF.5050902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0D588.4080007@comcast.net>

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Sarangan Thuraisingham wrote:
> Peter Cockriell wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> I had to leave my desk for a moment so I locked my screen ... and now
>> it's rejecting my password.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  I know
>> I can reset the password through grub, but I'd prefer to understand
>> why this has happened and how I can prevent the problem.
> 
> 
> Ok if your XSession was locked, did you try unlocking it with your
> normal login password. Do you have multiple accounts on this computer,
> if so are you using the right password for the right user? If you are
> confident that you are doing everything right, then can try the following.
> 
> You can switch to the first virtual terminal by pressing
> CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+F1 then login using the same username and password as
> your current xsession. If you can then you are login password is working
> and there is something wrong with screen lock. But if you can't login,
> then you have changed your password while playing with samba or other
> settings. Then the solution would be to try the passwords that you think
> you set for samba.
> 
I have a similar problem with this in Kubuntu. You did not mention
whether you were using KDE or Gnome. If you are using Gnome, please feel
free to disregard the rest of this email. If you are using KDE please
read on.

KDE screensavers make use of a program called kcheckpass to authenticate
the user upon deactivating the screensaver. If you type kcheckpass at
the command prompt, you will be prompted for your user password. If
kcheckpass correctly authenticates you, you will be returned to the
command prompt with no message. If kcheckpass cannot authenticate you,
you will be notified with a login failed message. Give this a test.

If kcheckpass fails to authenticate you, use passwd at the command
prompt to change your password and then try kcheckpass again. I will bet
that kcheckpass will authenticate you with no problem and the
screensaver deactivation will work just fine.

- --
 Jim McQuiston

Registered Linux User #375957
 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S.Thompson
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 02:39:22 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:39:22 -0500
Subject: Repositiries
In-Reply-To: <20051214123328.83937.qmail@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051214123328.83937.qmail@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1134614362.30680.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 12:33 +0000, Anthony Gardner wrote:
> Did all that before posting the bug.

When you edit the text file manually, you no longer need to add the
repositories via Synaptic, so you shouldn't be seeing anything being
checked or unchecked.

From what you're telling me is that you edit the file, save the changes,
close the editor, go back in to the editor and the changes you have made
are now gone?
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 02:47:37 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:47:37 -0500
Subject: Missing gnome special URIs?
In-Reply-To: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1134614858.30680.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

This won't be of much help, sorry.

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 14:31 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> I've been reading the gnome documentation on nautilus and it mentions 
> several special URIs including start-here:/// and system-settings:///, 
> only they don't seem to exist on ubuntu.  What gives?

I can confirm that they don't exist on my system either. Then again, I
never looked until now. An alternative for the start-here URI is System
-> Help. Also try online at http://help.ubuntu.com/

As for the system settings, See System -> Preferences and also System ->
Administration (most things under the former are user-specific and under
the latter are system wide and thus require you to sudo to root).
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 02:51:19 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:51:19 -0500
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
> 
> This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D

It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
it would need to be done right.
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From eduardgrebe at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 02:56:36 2005
From: eduardgrebe at gmail.com (Eduard Grebe)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:56:36 +0200
Subject: Flash on Breezy PPC
Message-ID: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Macromedia does not make available a flash player for Linux PPC. Does
anyone know of a way to view flash content in a mozilla based browser
such as firefox on Breezy PPC?

Thanks
Eduard





From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 02:58:56 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:58:56 -0500
Subject: "Add Applications" Missing
In-Reply-To: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>
References: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134615536.30680.37.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 23:41 +1100, Bony Limas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using Ubuntu 5.10 and new to it. I don't know what I did but the 
> "add applications" menu is missing from the applications menu.
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?

/usr/bin/gksudo /usr/bin/gnome-app-install

That's what it runs. You'd need to edit the menu and re-add this to the
menu. To do so, use the application "smeg."
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From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 03:06:36 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:06:36 +0800
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512141906x58eef81ck392c4b8db88acda9@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Brian Puccio <brian at brianpuccio.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
> >
> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
>
> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
> it would need to be done right.

I fail to see the problem. You don't use it for notifications that
need to be recognised, OR each app has a "flag" that's user settable
(oops beginning to sound like Linus now :-P ) for  the notifications
staying power for that particular app (a simple check box choice
should do the job I would have thought...)
Then again,I'm not a programmer and these so called "simple concepts"
may not be that simple to implement.

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From smartssa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 03:10:38 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:10:38 -0500
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512141910v7a8b0f68la1fa0330c0a2c889@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/14/05, Brian Puccio <brian at brianpuccio.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
> >
> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
>
> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
> it would need to be done right.

Those certainly look pretty...

The current update notification throws a popup bubble like that (not
as pretty).  It's not overly annoying, but it would be if I weren't
using a monster screen with a monster resolution.

It also doesn't usually popup unless I manually update my sources
list, or it updates itself sometime during the night.

If I recall, it doesn't go away until you click it either, but I'll
have to pay more attention to it next time I see it.

I think for an idle session it'd be fine to popup and wait for
interaction before vanishing, but for an active user there's nothing
more annoying than a gigantic bubble telling me something I don't care
to read.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Thu Dec 15 03:15:18 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:15:18 -0500
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0DFC6.6040109@csee.wvu.edu>

Peter Cockriell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> This is my first Ubuntu install (v5.10) and first time administering a 
> linux system, though I've been a *nix user for many years.  My install 
> went absolutely peachy and everything configured properly on the first 
> go.
>
> Today I setup Kerberos v.5, Samba & Winbind in order to share files to 
> users in a Windows 2003 Server domain.   That went fine and I acquired 
> a lease (kinit) from the domain server fine.  I had to leave my desk 
> for a moment so I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my 
> password.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  I know I can reset the 
> password through grub, but I'd prefer to understand why this has 
> happened and how I can prevent the problem.


I would think that somewhere along the way kerberos got added to your 
/etc/pam.d/common-auth file or some such.  And now you can't 
authenticate against the credentials properly.  I haven't installed 
kerberos in a long while, but its entirely possible that that happened.  
I would login via single user mode(the repair console at the grub 
prompt) and check everything under /etc/pam.d/ to make sure 
kerberos(pam_ldap I think) didn't sneak in there some how.  I shouldn't 
have but thats my thought.  Also maybe pam_smb or some such.  Ive never 
done samba auth through pam so I have no clue on that one. 



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec 15 03:16:28 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:16:28 -0500
Subject: Missing gnome special URIs?
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512141655n74d791fs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com>
	<e50811220512141655n74d791fs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A0E00C.7070806@cfl.rr.com>

What is this spatial browser?  I kind of like the idea of these special 
URIs and don't understand why they were removed.

Olafur Arason wrote:
> It's hasn't been updated that's all.
> Start-here had just links to applications:/// system-setttings://
> burn:/// fonts:///
> and so on, pretty useless since most of them are gone.
> System-settings is under the system menu now so that is pretty useless now.
> This was apart of copying windows that everything was accessible through
> the filebrowser, but the spatial browser made this irrelivant.
> You can file a bug against it, it's gnome2-user-guide on
> http://buzilla.ubuntu.com



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 03:16:40 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:16:40 -0500
Subject: Flash on Breezy PPC
In-Reply-To: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134616600.30680.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 04:56 +0200, Eduard Grebe wrote:
> Macromedia does not make available a flash player for Linux PPC. Does
> anyone know of a way to view flash content in a mozilla based browser
> such as firefox on Breezy PPC?

There is a GPL flash player as well as plugin and it is a PPC binary
available, but since I don't have a Mac, I can't tell you if it works or
not.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libflash-mozplugin
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From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Thu Dec 15 03:22:18 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:22:18 -0500
Subject: Flash on Breezy PPC
In-Reply-To: <1134616600.30680.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134616600.30680.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A0E16A.7000908@csee.wvu.edu>

Brian Puccio wrote:

>On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 04:56 +0200, Eduard Grebe wrote:
>  
>
>>Macromedia does not make available a flash player for Linux PPC. Does
>>anyone know of a way to view flash content in a mozilla based browser
>>such as firefox on Breezy PPC?
>>    
>>
>
>There is a GPL flash player as well as plugin and it is a PPC binary
>available, but since I don't have a Mac, I can't tell you if it works or
>not.
>
>http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libflash-mozplugin
>  
>
It generally does not.  In my experience it actually makes things 
worse.  High CPU usage, crashy browser.  I had it installed for a while 
but eventually it was too much.  I mean it couldn't even play Strong Bad 
emails, so it had to go. 



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Thu Dec 15 03:39:27 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:39:27 -0500
Subject: INPROCESS Re: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
In-Reply-To: <20051214145648.GC20068@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<439C8508.7000005@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512112205000.2757@localhost.localdomain>
	<439D934D.8090500@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512121408130.2970@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051212235804.GB954@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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It would appear that on Dec 14, David Hart did say:

> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:01:37PM -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

> > > Third: all distros tend to have strengths and weaknesses. Ubuntu has less 
> > > weaknesses than most, so I use it. sudo/root is just a peculiarity that is 
> > > pretty easy to live with, and easy to bypass if you feel strongly about 
> > > it. Simply do <sudo passwd root> and off you go. What's the problem?

 - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -

 in reply to the above text where a different "david" expressed what
 sounded like a concerned question. "What's the problem?" Some where in
 the middle of a long multi-point message, that while informative sounded
 somewhat humorous to me... did cause me to make the mistake of
 explaining away the idea that that was a problem by saying that the
 biggest problem was something as trivial as other peoples preferences.
 and that "I felt like" I was starting to bug them. Of course it would
 turn out that most of the advice to give sudo a chance came mostly from
 one person. Who apparently wasn't offended before I just stuck my foot in
 my mouth by jokingly alluding to it as a big problem...

 - - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -


> > Actually it didn't take that long to find out from this thread that since
> > I DO, as you say, "feel strongly about it" I could fix it.

And yup, you David was definitely one of the first to include a way of
re-enabling root...  Thank You!

> > The biggest
> > problem was that it felt like those who feel just as strongly the other
> > way were getting offended because I knew I didn't want to use sudo
> > before I read all the arguments for it. ( I never said I wouldn't read
> > the arguments. It's just that at least for now, I wasn't taking my closed
> > system there.)
> 
> Seeing as you've seen fit to comment on others above who caused you a
> 'problem', I think I'll add a comment or two of my own.

Yeah go ahead. I probably deserve it. Though I really wasn't trying to
imply that you (or anybody else in ubuntu) was CAUSING me a problem.
But I can see that I chose my words poorly. 

> The only person I've seen express strong views on sudo/root is
> yourself.

It is true that I'm the only one in this thread who expressed strongly
his view on using sudo instead of a root account. Course I only feel
strongly about it as it applies to MY pc. That others might use it in
preference to risk having a root account on their box is fine with me.

> I was one of the first to reply to your request for help with the
> 'root problem' and the first to clearly show you to do 'sudo passwd
> root' to fix that.

Yup, as noted above, Thanks again.
 
> I haven't got strong views (and certainly not feelings) on sudo/root
> either way and I'll let you into a little 'secret'.  I have root
> enabled on _all_ my boxen (for reasons that I won't go into here).

Don't need to go into them. They are your reasons for a choice you made
on your own for your own stuff. 

> I am certainly not offended if you choose to enable root, just puzzled
> that someone would choose to install a new distro when time is so
> short that they wouldn't have the opportunity to get the feel for it.
 
Well I'm glad your not actually offended. Though I do apologize for my
choice of words. 

Now about what you say "puzzled" you:

There are some things that take time to get a feel for. And some things
that depend on other things getting done first. Once I've got my box
configured well enough to actually stay put instead of having to boot one
of my other linux every time I'm checking my mail etc. Then I'll find
time to get comfortable with it, even if by then, it's usually no more
than a half hour at a time.

I chose to add ubuntu because of what I'd heard about it. I was looking
for something that wasn't hard to install (like debian sounded to me
when I considered it a while ago) But I needed something that was
dependable and easy to add/remove packages to/from. I had been having
problems with the installers for the other *two main distros I'd been
trying to keep reasonably up to date. (till the last time I ran out of
time...)

*One only worked in it's more informative gui mode if I didn't need to
tell it anything about /dev/hdc (my 2nd hard drive) Otherwise as soon as
I "clicked" on that side of the partitioner display the installer seized
up... Though it still installed reliably in text mode.

*The other was very picky about what partitions it would install on.
 And two out of three install versions failed after installing far enough
 to let me play with the new user account if I wanted would on all
 successive boot attempt appear to boot normally until the root partition
 was remounted in rw mode whereupon everything that it tried to do got
 "permission denied" and it could not even shutdown... 

Thus I was seeking a distro with an installer that didn't make me
nervous.

Then came the idea that ubuntu was easy to install. And allowed less than
expert users who did at least have a clue use a powerful update manager
that pretty much worked out of the box...
Then while I was browsing some of "ubuntulinux.org" I realized I had a
good week to install it in. So ubuntu sounded to good to pass up. 
Though knowing my thick-headedness I figured I'd need the whole week.
 
For what it's worth, I've already gotten quite comfortable with parts of
ubuntu. I've only played with it's installer three times, (all three were
with 5.10) But it seams to be consistent enough for me to like. What I've
seen of the supported software makes me think the guy who told me about
ubuntu was right that it's been getting more 'love' than certain other
distros have lately... 

> And, despite what you say above, you made it quite clear in a 100
> line self described 'rant' relpy to one of my posts that you have no
> intention of using sudo whatever the reasons.

I did say that was a rant...    What I have no intention of doing is
using sudo to configure my box. After I get it configured my way, I'd
consider any reasons to try it that I hadn't already. But I sure wasn't
using sudo from a dummy user account that knowing I wasn't keeping it
long, I had given a trivial password, to do all my root stuff with...
OK so I could have changed the password. I never said I wasn't stubborn.

I don't create my user accounts till I get my preferred default software
installed and (configured in /etc/skel)

> What I do find slightly offensive, however, is that someone who clearly
> has both the technical capability and the time (as amply demonstrated
> by yourself over the last three days) chooses to use other people to
> do the 'leg work' rather than doing a little research themselves.

Actually I did some looking around on the web myself. And yes, I have
some technical ability. Though there are some holes in my knowledge. And
I do have some difficulty with remembering things I don't do the same
way a lot. I'm sorry if I've apparently been letting others do to
much of my legwork. But about having the time, the last three days are
NOT typical of the usual amount of time I'll have to spend on it.

As I explained in that same rant you mention above...:

=> I'm currently working a third shift job that combined with my lady's
=> demands on my usable "conscious" time leaves precious little for my
=> hobby. So little in fact that if I didn't have an knee injury putting me
=> out of work for about a week I wouldn't have dared to even consider
=> installing an unfamiliar linux distro to my multi-boot PC.

Once this week is over I'll not have nearly so much time to spend on it.

> If it really bothered me (it doesn't), I know perfectly well how to
> redirect your mails to /dev/null.

I'm glad it didn't really bother you. I'm hoping that over time I might
be able to contribute something useful now and again.  If I made it
to your killfile I'd miss any chance of your finding out that I'm not
just a leach. And that would be sad.

In any case do have a nice day. 

Joe

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From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Thu Dec 15 04:04:19 2005
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:04:19 -0500
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
 errors??
In-Reply-To: <43A08BED.7030103@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A08BED.7030103@angrykeyboarder.com>
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It would appear that on Dec 14, Scott did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc errors??
> 
> I only compile from source when there is no other alternative.
> 
> My curiosity drove me crazy so I checked and in this case there is an
> alternative.
> 
> $ wget ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine_4.64_i386.deb
> $ sudo dpkg -i pine_4.64_i386.deb
> 
> Badda-Bing! Badda-Boom!
> 

Yeah, but like I said about that self same .deb in a previous thread 

> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/linux.html
> >
> > says (in part):
> >
> > - -> Debian .deb package built on Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
> > - -> pine_4.64_i386.deb package    MD5: 4cdc6c60dbe8e47829189194b8cbd99a

And which quickly got this in a reply...
 
>Generally, attempts to cross-hybridize Debian and Ubuntu carry a caveat!---  be
>vewy cawefuw!
> 
>Could give it a shot just to see what happens OR whip over to here:
>http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingUbuntuTOC
>and look for the line that says  "Compiling the Current version of Pine"
>
>Might work OK if you compile from a tar file.

Which is why I decided that building pine was something I needed to be
able to do...

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From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Thu Dec 15 06:13:51 2005
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bryann Melvin)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:13:51 -0700
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <E1Emjbi-0002HI-Sg@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Emjbi-0002HI-Sg@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1134627232.14056.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 03:16 +0000, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
wrote:
> Subject: Re: Screen Lock rejects password
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <43A0DFC6.6040109 at csee.wvu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Peter Cockriell wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is my first Ubuntu install (v5.10) and first time administering
> a 
> > linux system, though I've been a *nix user for many years.  My
> install 
> > went absolutely peachy and everything configured properly on the
> first 
> > go.
> >
> > Today I setup Kerberos v.5, Samba & Winbind in order to share files
> to 
> > users in a Windows 2003 Server domain.   That went fine and I
> acquired 
> > a lease (kinit) from the domain server fine.  I had to leave my
> desk 
> > for a moment so I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my 
> > password.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  I know I can reset
> the 
> > password through grub, but I'd prefer to understand why this has 
> > happened and how I can prevent the problem.
> 
> 
> I would think that somewhere along the way kerberos got added to your 
> /etc/pam.d/common-auth file or some such.  And now you can't 
> authenticate against the credentials properly.  I haven't installed 
> kerberos in a long while, but its entirely possible that that
> happened.  
> I would login via single user mode(the repair console at the grub 
> prompt) and check everything under /etc/pam.d/ to make sure 
> kerberos(pam_ldap I think) didn't sneak in there some how.  I
> shouldn't 
> have but thats my thought.  Also maybe pam_smb or some such.  Ive
> never 
> done samba auth through pam so I have no clue on that one. 
> 
This SOUNDS like the computer has been set to synchronize the UNIX
password with the win client password...and they were not the same..

solution would be to log in as above and fix your password
AND /etc/samba/smb.conf


>From smb.conf sample

> # This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the Unix
> # password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
> # passdb is changed.
> ;   unix password sync = no
> 
This is the way ubuntu has it configured ...unless you remove the ";" it will synchronize

Bryann





From kaosboss at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 06:11:23 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (Gruneberg)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:11:23 +0200
Subject: Flight CD 2
In-Reply-To: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org>
References: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>

Colin Watson wrote:
> Hello world,
>
> Flight CD 2 is ready. This is the second in a series of milestone CD
> images that will be released throughout the Dapper development cycle, as
> images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or
> installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Dapper. You
> can download it here:
>
>   
Colin

Would it help testing if i rebuild a flight1 install (completely up to 
date) to flight2.  Happy with the current system but might be bored over 
the holidays......

Jean



From luca76 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:29:27 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:29:27 +0100
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512142329l753d435enf4e66245459d9419@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, crimsun at fungus.sh.nu <crimsun at fungus.sh.nu> wrote:
> Breezy's vlc was compiled with GTK+ 1.2 support instead of the newer
> GTK+ 2.8 due to locale-handling bugs both in the widget set
> (wxwidgets2.6, which uses GTK+ 2.8) and in vlc itself. These bugs have
> since been fixed in the most recent stable release of vlc, which is in
> Dapper. An earlier preliminary snapshot has been backported from Dapper
> to Breezy, so use the breezy-backports repository.

I don't find them in breezy-backports: where are them?



From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec 15 07:43:36 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:43:36 +0100
Subject: It's the BUG DAY!
Message-ID: <1134632616.7759.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello Ubuntu Lovers!

With Dapper Flight 2 out, there is a lot to test and quite a bunch of
people have given their feedback already. We are all excited and know it
already: Dapper will have less bugs than any other release. A lot of
people are meeting the Free Software world for the first time with
Breezy and Dapper and sending in their opinions via bug reports. We care
about their reports.

This is a special time for all of us, let's have the big pre-Christmas
clean-up. If you always wondered how you can help, we have a hint for
you: come to our next Bug Day. If you never wondered how you can help,
well, join the Bug Day too and you'll see that you can make a
difference :-)

The Kubuntu developers will be joining the Bug Day and hope to close as
many of the Kubuntu bugs as possible, if you are a Kubuntu user please
come along to help out.

Also, the MOTU team will be there to tackle and triage Universe bugs. So
if you want to help out in the MOTU team, this is a great start.

Team specific pages are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics

In a Bug Day, you can

      * work in a nice team,
      * make sure the bug reporters' concerns are heard,
      * gather all the information needed so developers can fix bugs,
      * close useless bugs,
      * find out where the bugs come from,

and eventually

      * work together with upstream to make changes happen,
      * get experience in hacking and fixing bugs.

We will try to triage as many bugs as possible, but specifically look
into the targets outlined at
     http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay

Make a difference: join the Bug Day on December 21th. We will be in
#ubuntu-bugs (Freenode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer
your questions about how to help.

If you're new to all this, head to 
     http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs

Have a nice day,
 Daniel (for the Bug Team)

PS: Everybody waiting for the next Hug Day, just join us. :-)

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From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 08:31:54 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:31:54 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
Message-ID: <1134635514.8752.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
(which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
off.

When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
working on is gone.

I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.

So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
'hibernate' option.

The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52. 

I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.

	Mike
-- 
Mario Splivalo
Mob-Art
mario.splivalo at mobart.hr

"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."





From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 08:36:38 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:36:38 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
Message-ID: <1134635798.8752.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
(which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
off.

When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
working on is gone.

I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.

So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
'hibernate' option.

The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52. 

I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.

	Mike
-- 
Mario Splivalo
Mob-Art
mario.splivalo at mobart.hr

"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."





From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Thu Dec 15 08:49:18 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:49:18 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
Message-ID: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

Hello!

Is it planned to put the VMWare Player in Dapper Multiverse?
Or does the license not allow it, are there other deb sources (also for 
Breezy)?

Thanks,
Burt



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:54:59 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:54:59 -0500
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512142329l753d435enf4e66245459d9419@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>
	<bbda83370512142329l753d435enf4e66245459d9419@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051215085458.GA21082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Luca Manganelli" on Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 02:29:27AM EST>

> On 12/11/05, crimsun at fungus.sh.nu <crimsun at fungus.sh.nu> wrote:
> > Breezy's vlc was compiled with GTK+ 1.2 support instead of the newer
> > GTK+ 2.8 due to locale-handling bugs both in the widget set
> > (wxwidgets2.6, which uses GTK+ 2.8) and in vlc itself. These bugs have
> > since been fixed in the most recent stable release of vlc, which is in
> > Dapper. An earlier preliminary snapshot has been backported from Dapper
> > to Breezy, so use the breezy-backports repository.
> 
> I don't find them in breezy-backports: where are them?

Add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list and substitute "breezy-backports"
at the end.

For example:
    deb http://your.nearest.mirror/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe
    deb http://your.nearest.mirror/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe

Of course substitute "your.nearest.mirror" with your nearest mirror.

Seth



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 15 08:55:22 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:55:22 +1100
Subject: Flash on Breezy PPC
In-Reply-To: <43A0E16A.7000908@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134616600.30680.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A0E16A.7000908@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <20051215195522.64c42d51.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:22:18 -0500
"Scott J. Henson" <scotth at csee.wvu.edu> wrote:

> Brian Puccio wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 04:56 +0200, Eduard Grebe wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Macromedia does not make available a flash player for Linux PPC. Does
> >>anyone know of a way to view flash content in a mozilla based browser
> >>such as firefox on Breezy PPC?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >There is a GPL flash player as well as plugin and it is a PPC binary
> >available, but since I don't have a Mac, I can't tell you if it works or
> >not.
> >
> >http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libflash-mozplugin
> >  
> >
> It generally does not.  In my experience it actually makes things 
> worse.  High CPU usage, crashy browser.  I had it installed for a while 
> but eventually it was too much.  I mean it couldn't even play Strong Bad 
> emails, so it had to go. 

I tried the GPL flash plugin on my iBook G4. It didn't stay installed for
long - although it was mildly entertaining to watch Firefox disappear in a
puff of smoke every time I accessed any flash content ;-)


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Thu Dec 15 08:58:25 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:58:25 +0100
Subject: Trash does not work across partitions
In-Reply-To: <43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512150958.26007.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 12:47, Tony Arnold wrote:
> Robert Entner wrote:
> > I have in my home folder a symlink to another partition.  When I use
> > Nautilus to 'Move to Trash' a file I access via this symlink I get
> > the error message:
> > Not on the same file system while deleting filename.
> >
> > Deleting permanently and via terminal work of course.
> >
> > This seems to be a Gnome/Nautilus bug to me, is this correct?
>
> I'd call it a limitation rather than a bug!
>
> As I understand it, Nautilus uses the 'mv' command to move files from
> their current directory to the Trash directory. mv within the same file
> system is very efficient as the file itself stays where it is
> physically. To implement mv accross paritition, one would have to copy
> the file and delete the old file with the risk of things going wrong
> part way through this process.
>
> Certainly in older Unixes, mv between paritions did not work. I've not
> tried it on more recent version of Linux.
>
> I guess one answer would be for Nautilus to keep a trash directory for
> each file system, and mv the file to there.

Hmm, thanks for the answer.  In this case it would be much better to 
display a 'could not move to trash, should the file be deleted 
permanently' message.  Otherwise a regular user can not delete the file - 
except when he activates the delete permanently option in Nautilus.

Burt



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 09:32:47 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:32:47 +0200
Subject: "Add Applications" Missing
In-Reply-To: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>
References: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134639167.4796.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 23:41 +1100, Bony Limas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using Ubuntu 5.10 and new to it. I don't know what I did but the 
> "add applications" menu is missing from the applications menu.
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> bony

Right-click on the applications menu and choose "Edit Menus", then add
it.
> 
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 09:39:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:39:08 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com><20050620090235.GB2741@localhost.localdomain><1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu><20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
	<c7e21f4d0512111758g47fec4foe3e166e93a45b278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Franko30.202rwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi,



as I'm lazy, I just copy a reply I gave in another thread like this, to
be found here:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=572697



The message:

I just read the German LinuxUser 12/2005. They have a special on Linux
compatible Ogg (and MP3) players.



THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM PLAYERS WITH
THE MICROSFT 'PLAYSFORSURE' LABEL. THIS- ACCORDING TO THE MAGAZINE -
MOST CERTAINLY MEANS THAT THE DEVICE WILL NOT WORK UNDER LINUX. FOR
INSTANCE THE IRIVER T10+T20+T30 SEEM TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. PLEASE VISIT
WWW.PLAYSFORSURE.COM TO FIND THE PLAYERS YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY. :-(


LinuxUser 12/2005 tested 8 Players:



Trekstor: i.Beat Organix + i.Beat 300

Maxfield: Max-Diablo + Max-Movie + Max-Diamond

COWON: IAUDIO X5 + IAUDIO M5 + IAUDIO G3
They also wanted to test some Samsung Players - but they arrived too
late.



All players work as external harddiscs under Linux. And all of the
above (except  the Trekstor i.Beat Organix and Cowon G3) support
firmware updates using Linux. The Cowon X5 and M5 also support FLAC and
are the fastest concerning data transfer! All Maxfield players and the
i.Beat 300 don't support id3 tags for Ogg Vorbis files... The Cowon X5
is now also available with 60GB harddisc.



*Sound quality:* An important feature, often forgotten...

LinuxUser says that the best Flash Memory Players sound a lot worse
than the worst tested Harddisc Player. :-(



That said, they recommend the Cowon X5 and M5 as having the best sound
quality (especially when plugging them onto your home audio system
using decent speakers). The best sounding Flash Memory Players seem to
be the Max-Movie and the Cowon G3.



Personally I recommend to throw away any headphone delivered with a
player and user a Koss Porta Pro or Sporta Pro - those two sound as
good as any expensive (and much bigger) Sennheiser or AKG equipment...



My two cents concerning the *Archos AV400 100 GB* I own:



This one can only be mounted read-only in Ubuntu 5.04 and 5.10, no
matter what I tried (even putting entries in fstab and other stuff).
-After re-formatting the whole thing (FAT32) in Ubuntu it gets mounted
read-write when plugging it in.- Unfortunately, the player now only
works on a Windows 200 machine - but not in Windows XP. The disc
manager (correct term? I use a German Win XP) declares the file system
as 'FAT32 - unknown'... And, the funny thing is, that now I'm stuck
with this, as Win 2K and XP only format 32 GB of my 100 GB as FAT32 and
I don't have access to an old Win 98 machine.



To write replies to this problem, please use this thread:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103472



Cheers



Franko30


-- 
Franko30



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 09:39:04 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:04 +0200
Subject: No sound in zsnes unless run with sudo
In-Reply-To: <kalos.2026ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134413010.8577.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<kalos.2026ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134639544.4796.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 20:53 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> I'm not sure why this happens, but try killing all instances of esd (the
> Enlightened Sound Daemon) and then running zsnes (if you have more
> troubles, make sure you don't have rhythmbox or other media player
> running).

Thanks for taking the time to outline the solutions. I think it's easier
to just run it with sudo. It's not like I'm afraid it'll do something to
my system.

Where should I report the bug?




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 09:42:02 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:42:02 +0200
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134639722.4796.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 17:31 -0800, Peter Cockriell wrote:
> Hello all, 
> 
> This is my first Ubuntu install (v5.10) and first time administering a
> linux system, though I've been a *nix user for many years.  My install
> went absolutely peachy and everything configured properly on the first
> go. 
> 
> Today I setup Kerberos v.5, Samba & Winbind in order to share files to
> users in a Windows 2003 Server domain.   That went fine and I acquired
> a lease (kinit) from the domain server fine.  I had to leave my desk
> for a moment so I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my
> password.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  I know I can reset the
> password through grub, but I'd prefer to understand why this has
> happened and how I can prevent the problem. 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Pete. 

Maybe when setting your password you had another language for the
keyboard on? It's happened to me before.




From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 09:56:56 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:56:56 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
Message-ID: <1134640616.8752.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
(which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
off.

When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
working on is gone.

I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.

So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
'hibernate' option.

The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52. 

I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.

	Mike
-- 
Mario Splivalo
Mob-Art
mario.splivalo at mobart.hr

"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."





From magnus at therning.org  Thu Dec 15 10:08:30 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:08:30 +0000
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512141910v7a8b0f68la1fa0330c0a2c889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512141910v7a8b0f68la1fa0330c0a2c889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051215100830.GC28633@die.therning.org>

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 10:10:38PM -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
>On 12/14/05, Brian Puccio <brian at brianpuccio.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
>> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
>> >
>> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
>>
>> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
>> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
>> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
>> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
>> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
>> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
>> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
>> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
>> it would need to be done right.
>
>Those certainly look pretty...
>
>The current update notification throws a popup bubble like that (not as
>pretty).  It's not overly annoying, but it would be if I weren't using
>a monster screen with a monster resolution.
>
>It also doesn't usually popup unless I manually update my sources list,
>or it updates itself sometime during the night.
>
>If I recall, it doesn't go away until you click it either, but I'll
>have to pay more attention to it next time I see it.
>
>I think for an idle session it'd be fine to popup and wait for
>interaction before vanishing, but for an active user there's nothing
>more annoying than a gigantic bubble telling me something I don't care
>to read.

This whole discussion makes me think of the silly popup bubbles in
Windows (XP I think). It's one of the most annoying things ever with
Windows (slightly exaggerated, I know :-). Especially the printing
bubble, because it doesn't go away on it's own, I have to reach for the
mouse and navigate to the bottom right corner. On a dual screen setup
that is a pain!

If this is introduced I would strongly suggest a
"close-all-f*ing-bubbles" keyboard shortcut. I hardly ever have to reach
for the mouse in my GNOME setup, and I'd be really disappointed if some
eyecandy changes that. Learning yet another keyboard shortcut is
something I could live with.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

  Key escrow to rule them all; key escrow to find them.
  Key escrow to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
  In the land of surveillance where Big Brother lies.
      -- Peter Gutmann
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 10:02:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:02:00 -0500
Subject: HP Colour Laserjet 2600n
References: <509d63b7050829235038bfdf3b@mail.gmail.com><ec39452e0508300527771f87f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b705083018194aa2bfc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<lduperval.1zyoom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <IdoMcFly.202tra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


just find this : http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/


-- 
IdoMcFly



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 15 11:41:39 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:41:39 -0500
Subject: Flash on Breezy PPC
In-Reply-To: <43A0E16A.7000908@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <1134615396.6847.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134616600.30680.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A0E16A.7000908@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <1134646899.30680.42.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 22:22 -0500, Scott J. Henson wrote:
> Brian Puccio wrote:
> 
> >There is a GPL flash player as well as plugin and it is a PPC binary
> >available, but since I don't have a Mac, I can't tell you if it works or
> >not.
> >
> >http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libflash-mozplugin
> >  
> >
> It generally does not.  In my experience it actually makes things 
> worse.  High CPU usage, crashy browser.  I had it installed for a while 
> but eventually it was too much.  I mean it couldn't even play Strong Bad 
> emails, so it had to go. 


That's the only reason that I keep flash around as well. Sorry I can't
be of more help.
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From theine at nordita.dk  Thu Dec 15 13:19:19 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:19 +0100
Subject: No sound in zsnes unless run with sudo
In-Reply-To: <1134639544.4796.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134413010.8577.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<kalos.2026ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134639544.4796.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512151419.19777.theine@nordita.dk>

> Thanks for taking the time to outline the solutions. I think it's easier
> to just run it with sudo. It's not like I'm afraid it'll do something to
> my system.

I don't know whether this has already been suggested but you can also try to 
start zsnes with "esddsp zsnes" instead of "sudo zsnes". esddsp is in the 
"esound-clients" package.

Regards,
Tobi



From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 13:54:00 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:54:00 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
Message-ID: <1134654840.8752.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
(which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
off.

When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
working on is gone.

I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.

So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
'hibernate' option.

The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52. 

I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.

	Mike
-- 
Mario Splivalo
Mob-Art
mario.splivalo at mobart.hr

"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."





From sdl.web at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 14:01:01 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:01:01 +0000
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>

I would say this is a must-have for most of end users.

Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> writes:

 | Hello!
 | 
 | Is it planned to put the VMWare Player in Dapper Multiverse?
 | Or does the license not allow it, are there other deb sources (also for 
 | Breezy)?
 | 
 | Thanks,
 | Burt
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 14:11:11 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (Sarangan Thuraisingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:11:11 +0000
Subject: IRC LoCoBot
Message-ID: <43A1797F.6090303@gmail.com>

Hi all,
   Sometime ago we received an email about Ubuntu IRC channels. It 
mentioned something about bots for logging IRC conversations. Do any of 
you know if this is avaiable freely or is this a home-grown version that 
Ubuntu uses. Are these web CGI based or do they run on special servers 
of somekind.

   Also does the Ubuntu group make these conversation available online.

-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From aaron.kiley at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 14:15:42 2005
From: aaron.kiley at gmail.com (Aaron Kiley)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:15:42 +0000
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
In-Reply-To: <1134654840.8752.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134654840.8752.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <80f459360512150615w6d862262m@mail.gmail.com>

Sending this to the list 4 times wont get a responce any quicker, and could
be considered spamming!

On 15/12/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
>
> I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
> (which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
> the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
> off.
>
> When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
> the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
> afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
> working on is gone.
>
> I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
> didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.
>
> So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
> 'hibernate' option.
>
> The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52.
>
> I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.
>
>         Mike
> --
> Mario Splivalo
> Mob-Art
> mario.splivalo at mobart.hr
>
> "I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 14:19:05 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:19:05 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512150615w6d862262m@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134654840.8752.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<80f459360512150615w6d862262m@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134656345.8752.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I apologize, but each time I sent it I got message back saying that it
couldn't get delivered because of lack of disk space on the server.

I haven't received my email back in my inbox, so I tought that my
message was not delivered.

I apologize once again for the noise I created.

	Mike

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 14:15 +0000, Aaron Kiley wrote:
> Sending this to the list 4 times wont get a responce any quicker, and
> could be considered spamming!
> 
> On 15/12/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
>         I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes
>         black 
>         (which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar
>         or just
>         the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop
>         powers
>         off.
>         
>         When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading
>         modules', then 
>         the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk
>         image, and
>         afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I
>         had
>         working on is gone.
>         
>         I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog
>         and /var/log/messages, but 
>         didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.
>         
>         So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a
>         functional
>         'hibernate' option.
>         
>         The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52.
>         
>         I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned
>         well. 
>         
>                 Mike
>         --
>         Mario Splivalo
>         Mob-Art
>         mario.splivalo at mobart.hr
>         
>         "I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick
>         any two."
>         
>         
>         
>         --
>         ubuntu-users mailing list
>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
-- 
Mario Splivalo
Mob-Art
mario.splivalo at mobart.hr

"I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."





From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 14:33:45 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:33:45 +0200
Subject: No sound in zsnes unless run with sudo
In-Reply-To: <200512151419.19777.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <1134413010.8577.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<kalos.2026ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134639544.4796.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512151419.19777.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <1134657225.4796.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 14:19 +0100, Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> > Thanks for taking the time to outline the solutions. I think it's easier
> > to just run it with sudo. It's not like I'm afraid it'll do something to
> > my system.
> 
> I don't know whether this has already been suggested but you can also try to 
> start zsnes with "esddsp zsnes" instead of "sudo zsnes". esddsp is in the 
> "esound-clients" package.
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 

It seems I've found the solution, it's a general sdl thing, the
environment variable SDL_AUDIODRIVER needs to be set to a working value,
I reported this to the sdl mailing list and awaiting response.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 15 14:33:24 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:33:24 -0400
Subject: [Dapper] "Mahjongg" game anyone ??
References: <1134528330.5120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dno9b1$dq0$2@sea.gmane.org>
	<1134538548.14549.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<s5o573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134605591.14549.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <keb873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:52 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Sorry, it works for me on my up-to-date (as of yesterday) system.
> 
> Wow, that's strange ! :-/

Maybe not ... see below

>> Have you tried Shisen-sho?  It's a better game anyway :-)
> 
> Huuu, nope, never heard of that game, I can't see it in the Gnome menu.
> Robert seems to suggest that it's a KDE game not a Gnome games, so I
> will probably never see it in Ubuntu ;-)

Doh!  My fault.  _MY_ Mahjong works because it's kmahjongg :-)  I was
forgetting which list I'm reading.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 15 14:29:25 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:29:25 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mike Bird wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:26, Peter Garrett wrote:
>> I assume the "server" version that just came out respects the needs of
>> those who use cron and friends, and who want to receive mail from root to
>> keep themselves informed. For the desktop, installing mailx pulls in
>> postfix - or I guess you can choose your mta and install that instead?
> 
> Bzzt, sorry:

There's no need to be insulting.
> 
> 1) mailx is just as important on desktops:

Yes, it is.  I pushed for not forcing Postfix onto the system, but that's
because it's overkill for what Ubuntu promises.  
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 15:38:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:38:57 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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The exact problem is in the /var/log/Xorg.* file.  We fixed the other
error, but the screen sizings don't seem to match.  Can you paste that
Xorg log file?  Do an "ls -ltr /var/log" and take the most current
file.





zenlakin Wrote: 
> I did the apt wget on the file you made for me and when it downloaded
> and I tried to start X I got some sort of error that said it couldn't
> find any screens.


-- 
azcrumpty



From zeller at ibh-wor.de  Thu Dec 15 15:56:07 2005
From: zeller at ibh-wor.de (Benjamin Zeller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:56:07 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
In-Reply-To: <1134656345.8752.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134654840.8752.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<80f459360512150615w6d862262m@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134656345.8752.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512151656.10272.zeller@ibh-wor.de>

On Thursday 15 December 2005 15:19, Mario Splivalo wrote:
> I apologize, but each time I sent it I got message back saying that it
> couldn't get delivered because of lack of disk space on the server.
> 
> I haven't received my email back in my inbox, so I tought that my
> message was not delivered.

Sure you haven't received it, if there is/was no space left :-)

> 
> I apologize once again for the noise I created.
> 
>  Mike
> 
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 14:15 +0000, Aaron Kiley wrote:
> > Sending this to the list 4 times wont get a responce any quicker, and
> > could be considered spamming!
> > 
> > On 15/12/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> >         I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes
> >         black 
> >         (which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar
> >         or just
> >         the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop
> >         powers
> >         off.
> >         
> >         When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading
> >         modules', then 
> >         the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk
> >         image, and
> >         afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I
> >         had
> >         working on is gone.
> >         
> >         I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog
> >         and /var/log/messages, but 
> >         didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.
> >         
> >         So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a
> >         functional
> >         'hibernate' option.
> >         
> >         The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52.
> >         
> >         I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned
> >         well. 
> >         
> >                 Mike
> >         --
> >         Mario Splivalo
> >         Mob-Art
> >         mario.splivalo at mobart.hr
> >         
> >         "I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick
> >         any two."
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         --
> >         ubuntu-users mailing list
> >         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > 
> -- 
> Mario Splivalo
> Mob-Art
> mario.splivalo at mobart.hr
> 
> "I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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D-82515 Wolfratshausen

Tel.:  +49 (0)8171 347 88 12
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From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:11:16 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:41:16 +0330
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
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Do you know how can we use images made by Qemu with VMWare Player ?
Qemu is very low speed ;(
Is VMWare Player faster ?


On 12/15/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would say this is a must-have for most of end users.
>
> Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> writes:
>
> | Hello!
> |
> | Is it planned to put the VMWare Player in Dapper Multiverse?
> | Or does the license not allow it, are there other deb sources (also for
> | Breezy)?
> |
> | Thanks,
> | Burt
> |
>
> --
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> .     *                               .
> .    /.\        Merry Christmas       .
> .   /..'\                             .
> .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    .
> .  /.''.'\                            .
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>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 15 15:12:14 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:12:14 -0400
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
References: <1134640616.8752.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <end873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mario Splivalo wrote:

> I go to System-LogOut 

Thanks, we got the message the first time.  Please don't assume it hasn't
been sent whenever you don't immediately see it in your newsreader.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 15 15:10:23 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:10:23 -0400
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
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Magnus Therning wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 10:10:38PM -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
>>On 12/14/05, Brian Puccio <brian at brianpuccio.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
>>> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
>>> >
>>> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
>>>
>>> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
>>> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
>>> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
>>> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
>>> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
>>> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
>>> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
>>> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
>>> it would need to be done right.
>>
>>Those certainly look pretty...
>>
>>The current update notification throws a popup bubble like that (not as
>>pretty).  It's not overly annoying, but it would be if I weren't using
>>a monster screen with a monster resolution.

KDE can do it with knotify - you can set that for any system notification &
specify how long it will display.

>>I think for an idle session it'd be fine to popup and wait for
>>interaction before vanishing, but for an active user there's nothing
>>more annoying than a gigantic bubble telling me something I don't care
>>to read.

Definitely.
 
> This whole discussion makes me think of the silly popup bubbles in
> Windows (XP I think). It's one of the most annoying things ever with
> Windows (slightly exaggerated, I know :-). 

It works in the right place.

> Especially the printing 
> bubble, because it doesn't go away on it's own, I have to reach for the
> mouse and navigate to the bottom right corner.

Yes, there's a few like that and "we hates 'em"!
 
otoh, I love the Outlook pop-up, which allows me to open an email message if
I want, delete it unread, or just let it fade away to be dealt with next
time I'm in the mail program.
-- 
derek




From nitram.ericsson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:54:11 2005
From: nitram.ericsson at gmail.com (Martin Ericsson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:11 +0100
Subject: gbib fonts (was: VLC UI fonts are ugly)
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A19FB3.8080403@gmail.com>


Hi!
The fonts in gbib looks just as bad (it seems to be the same problem), 
is that also fixed in the backports?

Martin Ericsson

Luca Manganelli wrote:

>Hi, I noticed that VLC User Interface fonts aren't same of GNOME. I
>think that they are GTK based. How can I change them as GNOME? They
>are very ugly and poor readable.
>
>--
>"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog
>
>  
>




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 15 17:02:54 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:02:54 -0600
Subject: Wordnet for dict
Message-ID: <20051215110254.78fdd1f2@localhost.localdomain>


I notice that the Wordnet (wordnet.princeton.edu) dictionary for dict is
still on version 2.0 from 2003.  Is there any chance it will be updated
soon to the new 2.1 version?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec 15 17:04:05 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:04:05 -0500
Subject: Trash does not work across partitions
In-Reply-To: <43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <43A1A205.6040308@cfl.rr.com>

Of course mv works across partitions, it always has.  Obviously it is 
slower because it has to copy and delete rather than just rename, but it 
works.

It sounds like nautilus thinks that the stuff in /home is on the same 
filesystem, and is trying to rename rather than copy+delete.  This 
confusion may be the result of your using a /home symlink.  Try actually 
mounting the other filesystem in /home instead of symlinking to it.  If 
that fixes it, then yes, I'd call this a bug in nautilus.



Tony Arnold wrote:
> 
> I'd call it a limitation rather than a bug!
> 
> As I understand it, Nautilus uses the 'mv' command to move files from
> their current directory to the Trash directory. mv within the same file
> system is very efficient as the file itself stays where it is
> physically. To implement mv accross paritition, one would have to copy
> the file and delete the old file with the risk of things going wrong
> part way through this process.
> 
> Certainly in older Unixes, mv between paritions did not work. I've not
> tried it on more recent version of Linux.
> 
> I guess one answer would be for Nautilus to keep a trash directory for
> each file system, and mv the file to there.




From T.Six at gmx.de  Thu Dec 15 17:10:27 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:10:27 +0100
Subject: Key shortcut t invoke Gnome System Monitor?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512141153m68a57380s850ff83833700e4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512141153m68a57380s850ff83833700e4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dns823$p8b$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luca Manganelli schrieb am 14.12.2005 20:53:
> Hi, I launched Gnome System Monitor with a combination of keys that I
> don't know. What's it?
> 

ALT+CTRL+DEL ;)

But i can´t remember if i had set this on my own, or if it is default.

bye Thilo




From jazzy2714 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:28:08 2005
From: jazzy2714 at gmail.com (jazzy bear)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:28:08 -0800
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d923543b0512150928l6868faa5y190dd4301a38e524@mail.gmail.com>

I came across the same behavior for an ldap client on ubuntu 5.04, I know it
has something to do with the screensaver and pam libraries, but I never
could get it to work either.  I just ended up saying that the screensaver
doesn't work.

On 12/14/05, Peter Cockriell <pcockriell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> This is my first Ubuntu install (v5.10) and first time administering a
> linux system, though I've been a *nix user for many years.  My install went
> absolutely peachy and everything configured properly on the first go.
>
> Today I setup Kerberos v.5, Samba & Winbind in order to share files to
> users in a Windows 2003 Server domain.   That went fine and I acquired a
> lease (kinit) from the domain server fine.  I had to leave my desk for a
> moment so I locked my screen ... and now it's rejecting my password.  Anyone
> have any thoughts on this?  I know I can reset the password through grub,
> but I'd prefer to understand why this has happened and how I can prevent the
> problem.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
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From magnus at therning.org  Thu Dec 15 17:31:25 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:31:25 +0000
Subject: Key shortcut t invoke Gnome System Monitor?
In-Reply-To: <dns823$p8b$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bbda83370512141153m68a57380s850ff83833700e4d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 06:10:27PM +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
>Luca Manganelli schrieb am 14.12.2005 20:53:
>> Hi, I launched Gnome System Monitor with a combination of keys that I
>> don't know. What's it?
>> 
>
>ALT+CTRL+DEL ;)
>
>But i can´t remember if i had set this on my own, or if it is default.

I think you've set it on your own, CTRL+ALT+DEL is not a predefined
combination. I've set it to lock the screen on my system.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

With PCs 1,000 times more powerful than they used to be, our
encryption keys can and should be 1,000 times bigger too. That means
cryptokeys of at least 56,000 bits.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 18:04:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:04:29 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
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You want me to past the file that you uploaded? I didn't change anything
on the one you uploaded for me. I just did a apt wget. I can paste the
other file I downloaded and we can take a look at that one. Is there a
way I can upload the file from command line or a way I would save the
file to a flash drive or something? I don't have a floppy on my system.
Just the dvdrw and I have a flash drive. Thanks.


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 18:01:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:01:54 -0500
Subject: [ubuntu] ODBC
References: <79216d8b0504271000556d2c2d@mail.gmail.com><5536eac6050427115658b7d327@mail.gmail.com><79216d8b0504272301a0e6170@mail.gmail.com><5536eac60504280557616c24d6@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Ubuntu.Warrior.203fza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Anyone had any luck using the M$ SQL Server JDBC drivers on a Ubuntu
Linux box to connect OOo to MSSQL? I have downloaded the drivers from
the M$ site and tried to point Base to them with no luck - something
causes OOo to Blue Screen and just die with an error message.

Had no problems using the M$ JDBC stuff to connect OOo on a Windows box
to M$ SQL Server.

What gives? :confused:

Using Breezy as the client
Standard OOo 2.0
M$ JDBC SP 3
M$ SQL Server 2000


-- 
Ubuntu Warrior



From duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk  Thu Dec 15 18:23:41 2005
From: duncan at lithgow-schmidt.dk (Duncan Lithgow)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:23:41 +0100
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <Robocoastie.1zwcfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com><42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>	<1119626346.5094.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Robocoastie.1zwcfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A1B4AD.9050904@lithgow-schmidt.dk>

'Forum Post wrote:

>and so the moral of the story is that while we all love open source (or
>actually non-proprietory) the fact is mp3 continues to be the standard.
>A rarely mentioned "legal" way to get mp3 conversion and playback is
>paying a small fee ($15 i think) to dbPowerAMP and running it in wine.
>Since day one they've made sure that program runs well in wine.
>
>
>  
>
my xcent xt-100 works great - and supports ogg, and the website even 
mentions linux support.

Duncan



From mutschae at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:25:35 2005
From: mutschae at gmail.com (me)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:25:35 +0100
Subject: 'Hibernate' 'reboots' machine :)
In-Reply-To: <1134635514.8752.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134635514.8752.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <c3297be10512151025w73f13026s37659b820ebc7a75@mail.gmail.com>

this seems to be a issue of your kernel or your hardware.

afaik the kernel is doing everything right but then breaks when it
initializes the devices
try 1by1 to suspend
while in textmode only
with all sound modules unloaded
all modules unloaded
hardware detached

if that does not help, build your kernel from vanilla or wait for the
next update and pray for change
in my case it took 2.6.1-2.6.10 to get usefull - framebuffer support
came with 2.6.13 and i still wait for wlan..... everything takes its
times. with new hardware it takes longer until it got reengenieerd -
just be patient or start up a debugger

peace



On 12/15/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
> I go to System-LogOut and then select Hibernate. Screen goes black
> (which is a bit annoying - could it display some progress bar or just
> the percentage counter?), and after a minute or so the laptop powers
> off.
>
> When I turn it back on, Ubuntu boots, it says 'loading modules', then
> the percentage counter starts restoring the RAM from the disk image, and
> afte that's done the laptop does the reboot. And everything I had
> working on is gone.
>
> I've been browsing trough /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but
> didn't seem to find any usefull (at least for me) information.
>
> So, I'd appreciate anything that could help me have a functional
> 'hibernate' option.
>
> The laptop is IBM (Lenovo) ThinkPad R52.
>
> I used to have Gericom Hummer, on which hibernate functioned well.
>
>         Mike
> --
> Mario Splivalo
> Mob-Art
> mario.splivalo at mobart.hr
>
> "I can do it quick, I can do it cheap, I can do it well. Pick any two."
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 18:34:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:34:44 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<gilgongo.1zz4fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <vvlist.203gwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I haven't used Winblows as my primary desktop since Ubuntu Hoary 5.04. I
love Ubuntu.;)


-- 
vvlist



From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec 15 18:49:46 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:49:46 +0000
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>	<20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
	<d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A1BACA.2080107@ntlworld.com>

VIGNESH wrote:

>  Also any games available for the CLI ?

Here is a list of alleged text-mode/console games/packages:

nethack-console slashem bsdgames angband zangband tome omega-rpg
bsdgames-nonfree empire gnuchess gnugo greed mantanza zivot atom4
freesweep junior-games-text lsnipes pente sillypoker tetrinet-client

I didn't see a version of sokoban for the console, but I expect you can
find a version on freshmeat.net.

Toby



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:49:48 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:49:48 +0000
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>

Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower even
with accelerator.

Mehdi Hassanpour <mehdi.public at gmail.com> writes:

 | Do you know how can we use images made by Qemu with VMWare Player ?
 | Qemu is very low speed ;(
 | Is VMWare Player faster ?
 | 
 | 
 | On 12/15/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
 | >
 | > I would say this is a must-have for most of end users.
 | >
 | > Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> writes:
 | >
 | > | Hello!
 | > |
 | > | Is it planned to put the VMWare Player in Dapper Multiverse?
 | > | Or does the license not allow it, are there other deb sources (also for
 | > | Breezy)?
 | > |
 | > | Thanks,
 | > | Burt
 | > |
 | >
 | > --
 | > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
 | > .     *                               .
 | > .    /.\        Merry Christmas       .
 | > .   /..'\                             .
 | > .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    .
 | > .  /.''.'\                            .
 | > .  /.'.'.\                            .
 | > . /'.''.'.\                           .
 | > . ^^^[_]^^^                           .
 | > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
 | >
 | >
 | > --
 | > ubuntu-users mailing list
 | > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
 | > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
 | >
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | --
 | ==================================================
 | Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 | /* Of one Essence is the human race,
 | Thusly has Creation put the Base;
 | One Limb impacted is sufficient,
 | For all Others to feel the Mace.
 |                            ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */
 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 | http://ImPersian.com     |     http://Hezardastan.org
 | ==================================================

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From eswar.linux at googlemail.com  Sat Dec 10 10:03:05 2005
From: eswar.linux at googlemail.com (Nageswaran Rajendran)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:03:05 +0100
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
Message-ID: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am newbie to linux.

Two days back I installed ubuntu with windows XP in  Toshiba
SatelliteA80-154, notebook.   After installing ubuntu, the problem started.


When windows XP is chosen to boot up in the grub loader, there is a kind of
splash (some messages are shown for a fraction of sec.) and the screen is
blank!--probably it gets hung!--  It looks like the windows is busy in
booting up, but it does not enter into windows.  I do not understand where
the problem is.  But I think it may be a problem of grub loader syntax or
something.

Here I am giving the details of partition list and /boot/grub/menu.lst

my partition list:
/dev/sda1   -- ext3
/dev/sda2   -- NTFS (windows C:/)
/dev/sda4    --ext3 (linux OS)
/dev/sda5    -- Windows VFAT
/dev/sda6    --swap

I could not find much help in online-help.  Can anyone please help me out?!


=============my grub======== menu.lst looks like this
default 0
timeout 10

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386
savedefault
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 (recovery mode)
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro single
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
savedefault
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 (recovery mode)
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro single
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
boot

title        Ubuntu, memtest86+
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/memtest86+.bin
boot

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title        Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title        Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root        (hd0,1)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader    +1
===========================================================


Thanks in advance,
 Cheers,
|Eswar>
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From eswar.linux at googlemail.com  Sat Dec 10 10:37:03 2005
From: eswar.linux at googlemail.com (Nageswaran Rajendran)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:37:03 +0100
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
Message-ID: <3a16a0c30512100237v48b26738sdab579d2a02bd7d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am newbie to linux.

Two days back I installed ubuntu with windows XP in  Toshiba
SatelliteA80-154, notebook.   After installing ubuntu, the problem started.


When windows XP is chosen to boot up in the grub loader, there is a kind of
splash (some messages are shown for a fraction of sec.) and the screen is
blank!--probably it gets hung!--  It looks like the windows is busy in
booting up, but it does not enter into windows.  I do not understand where
the problem is.  But I think it may be a problem of grub loader syntax or
something.

Here I am giving the details of partition list and /boot/grub/menu.lst

my partition list:
/dev/sda1   -- ext3
/dev/sda2   -- NTFS (windows C:/)
/dev/sda4    --ext3 (linux OS)
/dev/sda5    -- Windows VFAT
/dev/sda6    --swap

I could not find much help in online-help.  Can anyone please help me out?!


=============my grub======== menu.lst looks like this
default 0
timeout 10

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386
savedefault
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 (recovery mode)
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro single
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro quiet splash
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
savedefault
boot

title        Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 (recovery mode)
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/sda4 ro single
initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
boot

title        Ubuntu, memtest86+
root        (hd0,3)
kernel        /boot/memtest86+.bin
boot

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title        Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title        Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root        (hd0,1)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader    +1
===========================================================


Thanks in advance,
 Cheers,
|Eswar>

--
Nageswaran Rajendran,
Experimental Physics III,
Institutes for Physics,
University of Dortmund,
44221-Dortmund,
Germany.
mail: eswar at chaos.physik.uni-dortmund.de
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From ben.collins at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  8 14:02:38 2005
From: ben.collins at ubuntu.com (Ben Collins)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:02:38 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine
	of	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> 0000:00:10.0 0100: 1000:0030 (rev 01)

This matches the mptspi module. It has an entry for your device, so it
should be loading.

Can you add mptspi to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and run this command:

update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386

Reboot and see if that works.

-- 
   Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
   Developer
   Ubuntu Linux




From ben.collins at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec  8 17:22:45 2005
From: ben.collins at ubuntu.com (Ben Collins)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:22:45 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual
	machine	of	dapper	kills	the	VM
In-Reply-To: <1134054119.6364.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134052547.8106.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134054119.6364.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134062565.19066.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 15:01 +0000, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 09:35 -0500, matthew nicholson wrote:
> > +log_begin_msg Waiting for root file system
> > /scripts/init-premount/udev: 122: log_begin_msg: not found
> > ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist Dropping to a shell!
> > 
> Oops, that one's my bad.

You mean that's a bug in initramfs, not the kernel?

-- 
   Ben Collins <ben.collins at ubuntu.com>
   Developer
   Ubuntu Linux




From wtautz at uwaterloo.ca  Thu Dec  8 23:29:53 2005
From: wtautz at uwaterloo.ca (wtautz)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:29:53 -0500
Subject: Laser Printers suggestions? HP 2550 looks good, others?
In-Reply-To: <dmv22b$7vi$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <4374521A.2050801@eugeneweb.com>	<200511112146.47318.obsidion@xtra.co.nz>	<4374E3E3.70100@eugeneweb.com>	<200511120903.10591.obsidion@xtra.co.nz>	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0511291711160.19994@cscf.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	<dmv22b$7vi$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4398C1F1.3010600@uwaterloo.ca>

Eric S. Johansson wrote:

> Walter Tautz wrote:
>
>> Ideally I would like a printer that can do auto-duplexing.
>> I print mostly black and white but since colour printers
>> are relatively cheap (I bet the toner cartriges are not
>> cheap ;-)) I thought it would be interesting to consider
>> them also.
>
>
> I'm using the brother 5170 dn.  But it will not work with the stock 
> drivers.  After many many months of working with brother, they have 
> given me beta drivers which work wonderfully.  I'm not thrilled with 
> the user interface putting the duplexer switch off in the never never 
> land of some configuration menu somewhere (i.e. it should be right on 
> the print dialog box you see when you hit the print button) but it's 
> better than nothing.  The workaround I am trying is creating to 
> printer drivers one with duplex, one without.
>
> in any case, it works really well now and if you want the reference to 
> the beta drivers, just send me e-mail.
>
>> Am I correct in thinking that native postscript printers
>> work under linux? I gather that finer control of the features
>> of the printer may, however, not be accessible?
>
>
> quite true.  I ran the 5170 as PostScript printer for a while when I 
> was desperate for any printer that worked off of my ubuntu box.
>
> --- eric
>
>
Thanks for the advice folks



From a.zeller at uni-duisburg.de  Fri Dec  9 14:07:28 2005
From: a.zeller at uni-duisburg.de (Andreas Zeller)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:07:28 +0100
Subject: gaim: Feature, almost everybody lacks
Message-ID: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>

Package: gaim
Version: 1:1.5.0-1ubuntu3
Severity: wishlist


One should be able to see the active status of ones own messenger. Like if it is away, n/a or online.
Being able to join a network with a specific status would also be very useful. For example, I can not join ICQ in invisible status. I would want to do that, to exclude some people from seeing that I am actually online. Or that I WAS online, even if it was just for a second.
Setting up the status and seeing it in a list below would be a very useful feature.

I'd be glad to hear what kind of efforts are being made into this direction, if any.

Andreas

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-9-686
Locale: LANG=de_DE.ISO-8859-1, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO-8859-1 (charmap=ISO-8859-1)

Versions of packages gaim depends on:
ii  gaim-data      1:1.5.0-1ubuntu3          multi-protocol instant messaging c
ii  libao2         0.8.6-1ubuntu3            Cross Platform Audio Output Librar
ii  libaspell15    0.60.3-5                  GNU Aspell spell-checker runtime l
ii  libatk1.0-0    1.10.3-0ubuntu2           The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libaudiofile0  0.2.6-6                   Open-source version of SGI's audio
ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu12           GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libcairo2      1.0.2-0ubuntu1            The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libfontconfig1 2.3.2-1ubuntu4            generic font configuration library
ii  libfreetype6   2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1          FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii  libgcrypt11    1.2.1-3                   LGPL Crypto library - runtime libr
ii  libglib2.0-0   2.8.3-0ubuntu1            The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgnutls11    1.0.16-13.1ubuntu1        GNU TLS library - runtime library
ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.8.6-0ubuntu2.1          The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libgtkspell0   2.0.10-2build1            a spell-checking addon for GTK's T
ii  libice6        1:6.3.5-4                 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  liblaunchpad-i 0.0patch26+mvo20-0ubuntu2 library for launchpad integration
ii  libpango1.0-0  1.10.1-0ubuntu1           Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libpng12-0     1.2.8rel-1ubuntu3         PNG library - runtime
ii  libsm6         1:6.0.4-4                 X11 Session Management library
ii  libstartup-not 0.8-1                     library for program launch feedbac
ii  libx11-6       1:6.2.1+cvs.20050722-8    X11 client-side library
ii  libxcursor1    1.1.4-0ubuntu5            X cursor management library
ii  libxext6       1:6.4.3-3                 X11 miscellaneous extension librar
ii  libxfixes3     1:3.0.0-3                 X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio
ii  libxi6         1:1.3.0-2                 X11 Input extension library
ii  libxinerama1   1:1.1.0+cvs.20050821-1    X11 Xinerama extension library
ii  libxrandr2     1:1.0.2-2                 X11 RandR extension library
ii  libxrender1    1:0.9.0-1                 X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  libxss1        1:1.0.0-3                 X11 Screen Saver extension library
ii  zlib1g         1:1.2.3-3ubuntu4          compression library - runtime

gaim recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information



From dylans at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 05:17:00 2005
From: dylans at gmail.com (Dylan Stamat)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:17:00 -0800
Subject: sudo problema
Message-ID: <292e73400512102117g6660a890j1d2eb0bcee6d4f88@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to change my hostname, so I edited:
/etc/hostname

... and update the name.
Then, when I rebooted, it gave me an error saying the hostname wasn't
correct.

I forgot to edit the /etc/hosts file to update the name in there are well !

Now, doing "sudo" tells me that it can't get the correct hostname
"gethostbyname() doesn't return the correct value".... and I have no way to
edit the /etc/hosts file, as I don't have permissions.

Any ideas ?
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From adconrad at 0c3.net  Sun Dec 11 15:39:45 2005
From: adconrad at 0c3.net (Adam Conrad)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:39:45 +1100
Subject: Call for testing of vga16fb/usplash default resolution on i386 and
 amd64
Message-ID: <439C4841.3030909@0c3.net>

As many of you may know, our default setup for usplash uses the vga16fb
framebuffer driver, which some people have had some issues with, we
believe because the default resolution (640x480) was overflowing a fixed
128k buffer on some video cards.

To address this, I have prepared kernels that drop the default
resolution and timings to what should be a more "standard" 640x400
framebuffer, and would appreciate as many people testing this as
possible.

If usplash doesn't quite work for you, I want to know if this fixes it.
if usplash currently works for you, I want to know that this doesn't
break it.

At the location referenced at [1], you will find rebuilt i386 and amd64
kernels of all flavours (dapper kernels only, if you're running breezy,
these WON'T WORK, so please don't try).

I would like you to mail the following feedback to me at
"adconrad at ubuntu.com".  Please do NOT mail your results to the mailing
lists, as this will generate a lot of useless traffic/noise that most
people who aren't me just plain don't care about.

1) Before doing anything else, make sure you have usplash 0.1-25 or
   later installed.  Anything older will not work.  Trust me on this.
2) Before installing the new kernels from the location below, I want you
   to reboot with you current kernel, remove any "vga=1234" stuff from
   you kernel command line, make sure "splash" is included in the
   command line, and tell me these 3 things:
  a) Did usplash work correctly for you?  If not, what happened?  Did it
     "wrap around" from bottom to top, was there an icky colour palette
     shift, did it just not work at all?  I'm only interested in
     graphics related bugs here, not other stuff like "it timed out
     because it was checking drives" or such.
  b) The output, at a console, of "lsmod | grep fb".  On my system, this
     looks something like the following, yours may differ:
     vga16fb                13768  1
     cfbcopyarea             4096  1 vga16fb
     vgastate               10208  1 vga16fb
     cfbimgblt               3104  1 vga16fb
     cfbfillrect             4352  1 vga16fb
     fbcon                  43584  72
     tileblit                2784  1 fbcon
     font                    8320  1 fbcon
     bitblit                 6464  1 fbcon
  c) In a console, type "dmesg | less", and find the bits about vga16fb,
     and paste these lines (may vary for you, but should be similar):
     [timestamp] vga16fb: initializing
     [timestamp] vga16fb: mapped to 0xc00a0000
     [timestamp] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
     [timestamp] fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
3) Now install the kernel from below, matching your current default
   kernel (hint: use "uname -r" to see which one you're using, and
   install that one, such as 2.6.15-7-386, 2.6.15-7-amd64-generic, etc)
4) Give the same feedback as you did above for your old kernel.  Did
   usplash work, if not, how not, and what does dmesg look like for the
   new kernel?

Gather up all these results, and send them off to adconrad at ubuntu.com,
and if the results are positive, we'll be seeing this change in our
default kernels in dapper.

Thanks in advance,

... Adam Conrad

[1] http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/kernel/



From francis at flourish.org  Mon Dec 12 15:19:14 2005
From: francis at flourish.org (Francis Irving)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:19:14 +0000
Subject: muine-plugin-trayicon: Tray icon does not appear when launched from
	session
Message-ID: <E1ElpSM-0005pv-Ou@localhost>

Package: muine-plugin-trayicon
Version: 0.8.3-5ubuntu7
Severity: normal


If I launch muine normally, the tray icon correctly appears. When it
is launched from a saved Gnome session at start up, the icon doesn't
appear. I have to quite muine and reload it to make the icon appear
again.

Francis

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-10-686
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages muine-plugin-trayicon depends on:
ii  libglib2.0-cil    2.3.92-0ubuntu1        CLI binding for the GLib utility l
ii  libgtk2.0-0       2.8.6-0ubuntu2.1       The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libgtk2.0-cil     2.3.92-0ubuntu1        CLI binding for the Gtk+ toolkit 2
ii  libx11-6          1:6.2.1+cvs.20050722-8 X11 client-side library
ii  mono-classlib-1.0 1.1.8.3-1ubuntu2       Mono class library (1.0)

muine-plugin-trayicon recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information



From frye0031 at umn.edu  Mon Dec 12 15:27:44 2005
From: frye0031 at umn.edu (Derek Frye)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:27:44 -0600
Subject: Preventing bcm43xx module from autoloading?
Message-ID: <439D96F0.5030401@umn.edu>

Hi, I was wondering, how is Ubuntu preventing the bcm43xx (or any other) 
module from autoloading (if appropriate hardware is present) if the 
module is not on the blacklists in /etc/modprobe.d?

# $ find /etc/ -type f -print0 | xargs grep -Hin bcm43?x | wc -c
0

Thanks,
--Derek



From andreas at schildbach.de  Mon Dec 12 16:18:15 2005
From: andreas at schildbach.de (Andreas Schildbach)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:18:15 +0100
Subject: I need a better VNC viewer..
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512111732o73ed1138x5d02d250af356e90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <439DA2C7.30502@schildbach.de>

And I would like to forward input events (keyboard, mouse) to the remote 
system, _without_ sharing its display.

Regards,

Andreas



From brouits at free.fr  Tue Dec 13 17:15:56 2005
From: brouits at free.fr (=?utf-8?q?Beno=C3=AEt_Rouits?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:15:56 +0100
Subject: dpkg-dev: bad absolute symlinks with dpkg-buildpackage
Message-ID: <20051213171556.BAEDCCF74E@localhost.localdomain>

Package: dpkg-dev
Version: 1.13.10ubuntu4
Severity: normal

This is NOT REALLY a bug, it is easy to workaround,
but i think dpkg-buildpackage should WARN:
Using absolute symlinks during installation yields 
to a corrupted debian package, but the inner scripts of
dpkg-buildpackage don't detect the corruption. 
I think it should detect it and blame the packager.
The following trivial example shows the procedure
to get such a corrupted debian package

$ editor Makefile
[...]
install:
	install foo $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin
	ln -s $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin/foo $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin/bar
#		^^^^^ this cause the corruption
#<EOF>

$ dh_make -s --copyright gpl
[...]
$ editor debian/control
[...]
$ editor debian/copyright
[...]
$ dpkg-buildpackage
[...]
dpkg-deb : building package « foo » in « ../foo_0.2-1_i386.deb ».
 signfile foo_0.2-1.dsc
[...]
$ dpkg -i ../foo_0.2-1.i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package foo.
(Reading database ... 159413 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking foo (from ../foo_0.2-1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up foo (0.2-1) ...
$ ls -l /usr/bin/bar
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 73 2005-12-13 17:37 /usr/bin/bar -> 
/home/ben/src/foo-0.2/debian/foo/usr/bin/foo

# bad symlink ! funny ?

WORKAROUND:
$editor Makefile
[...]
install:
        install foo $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin
        cd $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin/ && ln -s foo bar
#<EOF>


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-10-k7
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages dpkg-dev depends on:
ii  binutils                2.16.1-2ubuntu6  The GNU assembler, linker and bina
ii  cpio                    2.5-1.2ubuntu1   GNU cpio -- a program to manage ar
ii  dpkg                    1.13.10ubuntu4   Package maintenance system for Deb
ii  make                    3.80-9           The GNU version of the "make" util
ii  patch                   2.5.9-2          Apply a diff file to an original
ii  perl [perl5]            5.8.7-5ubuntu1.2 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction 
ii  perl-modules            5.8.7-5ubuntu1.2 Core Perl modules

Versions of packages dpkg-dev recommends:
ii  bzip2                   1.0.2-7ubuntu2   high-quality block-sorting file co
ii  gcc [c-compiler]        4:4.0.1-3        The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-3.3 [c-compiler]    1:3.3.6-8ubuntu1 The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-3.4 [c-compiler]    3.4.4-6ubuntu8   The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-4.0 [c-compiler]    4.0.1-4ubuntu9   The GNU C compiler

-- no debconf information



From francis at flourish.org  Wed Dec 14 13:32:48 2005
From: francis at flourish.org (Francis Irving)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:48 +0000
Subject: catdoc: mime type for ms-excel has xls2csv spelt wrong
Message-ID: <E1EmWkS-00040Y-E7@localhost>

Package: catdoc
Version: 0.94.0-1
Severity: normal


debian/mime says the following:

application/vnd.ms-excel; xls2cvs %s; copiousoutput; description="MS
Excel sheet"; ; priority=0

When it should say "xls2csv"

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-10-686
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages catdoc depends on:
ii  libc6                    2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an

catdoc recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Thu Dec 15 01:14:44 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:14:44 -0600
Subject: dns configuration help desperately needed
Message-ID: <43A0C384.7090803@grm.net>

Hello, I'm still learning this and I'm a bit confused about how to
configure my DNS.  I have taken the time to create a network diagram as
best as I know how to help explain how things are wired.  Any and all
help will be greatly appreciated.

Troy
Network diagram

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From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Thu Dec 15 19:09:09 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:09:09 +0100
Subject: [ubuntu] ODBC
In-Reply-To: <Ubuntu.Warrior.203fza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <79216d8b0504271000556d2c2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<5536eac6050427115658b7d327@mail.gmail.com>
	<79216d8b0504272301a0e6170@mail.gmail.com>
	<5536eac60504280557616c24d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<79216d8b050428234439f831ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<Nimefurahi.1z2z0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Ubuntu.Warrior.203fza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134673749.9364.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 13:01 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Anyone had any luck using the M$ SQL Server JDBC drivers on a Ubuntu
> Linux box to connect OOo to MSSQL? I have downloaded the drivers from
> the M$ site and tried to point Base to them with no luck - something
> causes OOo to Blue Screen and just die with an error message.
> 
> Had no problems using the M$ JDBC stuff to connect OOo on a Windows box
> to M$ SQL Server.
> 
> What gives? :confused:
> 
> Using Breezy as the client
> Standard OOo 2.0
> M$ JDBC SP 3
> M$ SQL Server 2000
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ubuntu Warrior
> 

I use DbVisualiser, and for connecting to MSSQL i use MSSQLjdbc drivers.
Or something like that. I actually have no idea where I got them, I
think DBVisualiser home page pointed me out for them. The ones I got are
open/free. Here are the md5sums of the files:

[buntor] [~/DbVisualizer-4.3.4/lib] > md5sum ms*
a454d9ff82723a3656004666a281e841  msbase.jar
93bd2063760377a1a96336658d7abedc  mssqlserver.jar
106e08ffba37c92288c02eca54553cca  msutil.jar
[buntor] [~/DbVisualizer-4.3.4/lib] >

I could send you those if you're unable to find them. DbVisualiser works
excellent with those. Haven't tried OO, because my MSSQL machine is at
work.

You may run into jtds drives, but those didn't seem to work for me.

	Mike




From ssweeny at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 19:17:35 2005
From: ssweeny at gmail.com (Scott Sweeny)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:35 -0500
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
In-Reply-To: <3a16a0c30512100237v48b26738sdab579d2a02bd7d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3a16a0c30512100237v48b26738sdab579d2a02bd7d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3aa20730512151117ta40601fp1919cd280acdde7e@mail.gmail.com>

For the Windows entry in menu.lst, try replacing root with
rootnoverify.  That has worked for me in the past.

~Scott



From ssweeny at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 19:24:18 2005
From: ssweeny at gmail.com (Scott Sweeny)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:24:18 -0500
Subject: sudo problema
In-Reply-To: <292e73400512102117g6660a890j1d2eb0bcee6d4f88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <292e73400512102117g6660a890j1d2eb0bcee6d4f88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3aa20730512151124x4a38b9dcwf344c2b80add9dd4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/05, Dylan Stamat <dylans at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to change my hostname, so I edited:
>  /etc/hostname
>
>  ... and update the name.
>  Then, when I rebooted, it gave me an error saying the hostname wasn't
> correct.
>
>  I forgot to edit the /etc/hosts file to update the name in there are well !
>
>  Now, doing "sudo" tells me that it can't get the correct hostname
> "gethostbyname() doesn't return the correct value".... and I have no way to
> edit the /etc/hosts file, as I don't have permissions.
>
>  Any ideas ?
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>

Booting into the recovery kernel should give you a root shell.  From
there you can edit your hosts file.

~Scott



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 19:24:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:24:34 -0500
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
References: <3a16a0c30512100237v48b26738sdab579d2a02bd7d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <psusi.203jom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try booting windows in safe mode, and give it some time, it might just
be slow.


-- 
psusi



From rick at rickandpatty.com  Thu Dec 15 19:42:12 2005
From: rick at rickandpatty.com (Charles E "RIck" Taylor IV)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:42:12 -0500
Subject: gaim: Feature, almost everybody lacks
In-Reply-To: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>
References: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>
Message-ID: <1134675733.9528.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 15:07 +0100, Andreas Zeller wrote:
> Package: gaim
> Version: 1:1.5.0-1ubuntu3
> Severity: wishlist

> One should be able to see the active status of ones own messenger. Like if it is away, 
> n/a or online.

Doesn't gaim already do this?  At least, the icon in the notification
area changes to indicate if my Yahoo account (the only one I use) is
online, away, or offline.  This is with the version of gaim supplied
with Breezy.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <rick at rickandpatty.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Web: http://www.rickandpatty.com
* Blog: http://shrimpandgrits.rickandpatty.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 19:42:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:42:15 -0500
Subject: Make her worship you!
References: <000001c601d6$c8323300$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <canadianwriterman.203kly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Spam!


-- 
canadianwriterman



From cb at lim.nl  Thu Dec 15 19:59:16 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:59:16 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows
	on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

> BUT on some of my Ubuntu-PCs I have installed gizmoproject.com by
> installing all 3 .deb files in the sequence they are mentioned under the
> Debian section on the side:
> http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html

I have installed Gizmo Project on my laptop running the latest Ubuntu
following these instructions, but when I try to launch the program, I
get an error message:

  Cannot launch entry

  Details: Failed to execute child process
  "audiowrapper" (No such file or directory)

Any idea what might be going wrong?

From lcharles.ml at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 20:00:00 2005
From: lcharles.ml at gmail.com (Laurent CHARLES)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:00:00 +0100
Subject: Login impossible with account with no password
Message-ID: <97dd7de60512151200i2bbbde02m@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I need your help to understand what is going on with an account with
no password.

- Le account is a regular user account with default configuration.
- Le password has been suppressed with a simple 'sudo passwd -d <logname>'

- Login on a console works well. We only need the logname to get in.
/var/log/auth.log shows "login[7705]: (pam_unix)
session opened" and "login[7705]: (pam_unix) session closed", when we logout.

But:
- It is not possible to do 'su <logname>'. The system requests a
"Password:", and [entrer] only a shows a "Sorry".
We can see in  /var/log/auth.log:
 su[10403]: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty 'pts/0' is not secure !
 su[10403]: (pam_unix) authentication failure;
 su[10403]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure
- The same symptoms occur with a login from gdm

Question 1: Why my 'tty' is not "secure"?
Question 2: What is the actual difference (technically) between the
identification/login on a console and the one with 'su -' or with gdm?
Question 3: How to "open" a login with no password

Thank you for your help
Regards

--
-- Laurent



From sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 20:00:31 2005
From: sarangan.thuraisingham at gmail.com (Sarangan Thuraisingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:00:31 +0000
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
In-Reply-To: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A1CB5F.1000700@gmail.com>

Nageswaran Rajendran wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am newbie to linux.
> 
> Two days back I installed ubuntu with windows XP in  Toshiba 
> SatelliteA80-154, notebook.   After installing ubuntu, the problem 
> started. 
> 
> When windows XP is chosen to boot up in the grub loader, there is a kind 
> of splash (some messages are shown for a fraction of sec.) and the 
> screen is blank!--probably it gets hung!--  It looks like the windows is 
> busy in booting up, but it does not enter into windows.  I do not 
> understand where the problem is.  But I think it may be a problem of 
> grub loader syntax or something. 
> 
> Here I am giving the details of partition list and /boot/grub/menu.lst
> 
> my partition list:
> /dev/sda1   -- ext3
> /dev/sda2   -- NTFS (windows C:/)
> /dev/sda4    --ext3 (linux OS)
> /dev/sda5    -- Windows VFAT
> /dev/sda6    --swap
> 
[...]

Ok I did "fdisk /dev/hdc" then I used p command to print the partition 
table. It looks like this:
    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdc1   *           1        2611    20972826    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hdc2            2612        5263    21302190    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hdc3            5264        7296    16330072+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hdc5            5264        5271       64228+  83  Linux
/dev/hdc6            5272        7296    16265781   8e  Linux LVM

As you can see the boot flag is set on windows partition. May be you 
need to set the bootable flag if it isn't already set using the 'a' 
command in fdisk and I think you want to enable it on partition 2.

BTW if your system had Windows first how did you manage to split it the 
way you did. I mean how come your windows partition comes after ext3 
partition. I also remember reading that Windows like to be in the first 
partition and gives problems elsewhere.

(*Disclaimer:*  I cant be held responsible if your system gets screwed 
up, other losses that happen, .... blah you know the drill right.)
-- 
Regards,
  - Saru
--------------------------------------------
Sarangan Thuraisingham
ECS, University of Southampton, UK

Homepage: http://sarangan.thuraisingham.net

    Tux is the Best
   Next is the Rest
--------------------------------------------



From max at militant.dk  Thu Dec 15 20:11:49 2005
From: max at militant.dk (Max Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:11:49 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>

leon wrote:
> Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
> already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower even
> with accelerator.
> 

Vmware (the version I use), is very fast. I run my XP in my vmware on 
ubuntu, and it's faster than my other XP in boot and operation.

So, sayingt vmware is slow, must mean you have a very old version or 
outdated hardware for this purpose.

Sincerely
Max




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 20:27:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:27:43 -0500
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
References: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <psusi.203mgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try booting windows into safe mode.  Also give it some time, it might
just be going really slow.


-- 
psusi



From mlynch at gcom.com  Thu Dec 15 20:50:44 2005
From: mlynch at gcom.com (Michael J. Lynch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:50:44 +0000
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
In-Reply-To: <psusi.203mgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>
	<psusi.203mgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A1D724.8080104@gcom.com>

'Forum Post wrote:
> Try booting windows into safe mode.  Also give it some time, it might
> just be going really slow.
> 
> 

Actually when I saw *windowsXP Don't boot up!*, my first thought
was, "that's a good thing isn't it".  :-)

-- 
Michael J. Lynch

What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown




From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Thu Dec 15 22:05:13 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:05:13 +0000
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
In-Reply-To: <43A1D724.8080104@gcom.com>
References: <3a16a0c30512100203u6785cd80qa442e85c1b30f82d@mail.gmail.com>
	<psusi.203mgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org> <43A1D724.8080104@gcom.com>
Message-ID: <200512152205.13248.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

On Thursday 15 December 2005 08:50 pm, Michael J. Lynch wrote:
> 'Forum Post wrote:
> > Try booting windows into safe mode.  Also give it some time, it might
> > just be going really slow.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Actually when I saw *windowsXP Don't boot up!*, my first thought
> was, "that's a good thing isn't it".  :-)
> 
Michael,
  it isn't good and it isn't bad - it is normal



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 21:44:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:44:27 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsy7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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no.  I need the output file that contains the error,
/var/log/Xorg.0.log.



How do you move files?  That is a good question and it depends on what
tools are available:



If you are dual booting:  Intall the 'ext2' (http://www.fs-driver.org/)
filesystem driver into windows.  Then use windows to mount the ext2
partation and paste it. paste the file.



If you have netorking up, you can upload it to your ISP's account in a
web folder, as I have.  You can use sneaker net and copy it to a dos
formatted floppy/usb stick(my computer has no floppy).



If you have networking and multiple computers on the lan you can use
sftp (WINSCP for windows) and copy the file off the box (if you
installed ssh).



Let me know your setup situation and we'll get those logs off.   



If you have an Ubuntu Live CD, you can boot with "live-expert", select
"VESA" for video when your are on the VIDEO section, mount the local
linux partition, then copy the VESA generated file from the LIVE onto
your installed linux partition.



Do you have networking up or a live cd, or windows on the same box?



I can also take a stab at it based on past experience:



look for these lines:



HorizSync 28-50



VertRefresh 43-75



You may nee to increase the range, for HSYNC & VSYNC, or your bus id is
not the following:



BusID "PCI:1:5:0"



Take a look at the "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log file".  It says exeactly
why it is unhappy burried in all that output.  I usually set
vertrefresh to 50-100, which may fix it.





zenlakin Wrote: 
> You want me to past the file that you uploaded? I didn't change anything
> on the one you uploaded for me. I just did a apt wget. I can paste the
> other file I downloaded and we can take a look at that one. Is there a
> way I can upload the file from command line or a way I would save the
> file to a flash drive or something? I don't have a floppy on my system.
> Just the dvdrw and I have a flash drive. Thanks.


-- 
azcrumpty



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 15 22:26:26 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:26:26 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 06:29, Derek Broughton wrote:
> I pushed for not forcing Postfix onto the system, but that's
> because it's overkill for what Ubuntu promises.  

I know Gnome's policy is to dumb down the system to the lowest
common denominator -
http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000486.html
http://lwn.net/Articles/163792/
- but could not Kubuntu install Postfix and Mailx?

The Postfix debconf help could maybe use some clarification
but I think most KDE users are capable of clicking on "Local
Delivery Only" if that's what they actually want.

--Mike




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 15 22:31:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:31:50 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
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I have windows on the same box. I don't know how to mount the ext2
stuff. I also have internet access on my laptop as I was able to
download the updates and the file you uploaded to your site. Hopefully
I can get you my file soon.


-- 
zenlakin



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec 15 23:14:09 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:14:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced 
 Windowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
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Message-ID: <17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/13/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
>> BUT on some of my Ubuntu-PCs I have installed gizmoproject.com by
>> installing all 3 .deb files in the sequence they are mentioned under the
>> Debian section on the side:
>> http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html
>
> I have installed Gizmo Project on my laptop running the latest Ubuntu
> following these instructions, but when I try to launch the program, I
> get an error message:
>
>   Cannot launch entry
>
>   Details: Failed to execute child process
>   "audiowrapper" (No such file or directory)
>
> Any idea what might be going wrong?
Have you tried to install the Gizmoproject in the mentioned order and all
3 files in a clean Ubuntu-system then I have found it to work every time.
In a system with conflicts and segmentation errors it woun't install
properly.
That is what I con tell you - hope it'll help.

Regards

Phillip




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 23:11:46 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:11:46 +0000
Subject: print to pdf?
Message-ID: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I just noticed that breezy can't print to pdf file though print to ps is
possible. The problem is I need to send files to friends who don't know
much about ps. I don't want everyone of them to install a ps viewer.

So I'd appreciate if anyone would share some knowledge of getting print
to PDF to work.

Here is some information I collected.

firefox: only has print to ps
evince: has print to pdf and print to ps options, but print to pdf
generates "Generating PDF is not supported"

Cheers
-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec 15 23:19:05 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:19:05 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>  <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
Message-ID: <1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 21:11 +0100, Max Andersen wrote:
> leon wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
> > already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower even
> > with accelerator.
> > 
> 
> Vmware (the version I use), is very fast. I run my XP in my vmware on 
> ubuntu, and it's faster than my other XP in boot and operation.
> 
> So, sayingt vmware is slow, must mean you have a very old version or 
> outdated hardware for this purpose.

Hmmm, I can only agree. I run VMware in Breezy with a 4 year old
motherboard, modest 1.5GHz CPU with 768 of RAM, and I was amazed to see
that Windows XP runs actually better as a guest than as a host on the
same machine, a technical wonder. However, strangely, runnning Dapper in
VMware is very sluggish to say the least. Good enough for the purpose
(testing it and reporting bugs), but I couldn't use it for production
work if I needed to.

So if WinXP is fast as a host but slow in VMWare, I think it's probably
lack of RAM. I think 512MB is a minimum to be really comfortable a
modern Desktop like Gnome and big apps. But I am even happier now I
upgraded to 768. The more RAM the better :-)


--
Vince




From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Fri Dec 16 00:42:17 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:42:17 +0000
Subject: print to pdf?
In-Reply-To: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512160042.17464.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

use openoffice
On Thursday 15 December 2005 11:11 pm, leon wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I just noticed that breezy can't print to pdf file though print to ps is
> possible. The problem is I need to send files to friends who don't know
> much about ps. I don't want everyone of them to install a ps viewer.
> 
> So I'd appreciate if anyone would share some knowledge of getting print
> to PDF to work.
> 
> Here is some information I collected.
> 
> firefox: only has print to ps
> evince: has print to pdf and print to ps options, but print to pdf
> generates "Generating PDF is not supported"
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
> .     *                               . 
> .    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
> .   /..'\                             . 
> .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
> .  /.''.'\                            . 
> .  /.'.'.\                            . 
> . /'.''.'.\                           . 
> . ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
> 
> 



From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 15 23:47:45 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:47:45 +1100
Subject: moving system hard drive to new box
Message-ID: <20051215234744.GA12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>

Forgive me if this question has been answered elsewhere.

I need a faster processor, but I've spent lots of effort setting up my 
current Ubuntu as I like it. 

Is it possible to install my existing hard drive into a new box and make 
it boot nicely?

David.




From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 15 23:53:08 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:53:08 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 03:23:39AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 03:03, David wrote:
> > I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
> > Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
> > Have I missed something obvious?
> > 
> > It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
> > 
> > It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> > /usr/bin/mail
> 
> You'll need to install the mailx package.  It was required by
> ubuntu-base in Hoary but dropped for Breezy.  I have no idea why.
> 


This sounds like a bug to me, or at least some inappropriate dumbing down. 
Does this mean that with each new release of Ubuntu we need to check what 
has been considered inappropriate for the "average" user? 

What disappears next? Terminal? rm? Everyone knows how dangerous rm is ;-)

I'm really happy with Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean that everything the 
gods of ubuntu do is correct, and  this one doesn't look good to me.



From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 00:04:34 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:04:34 +1300
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
Message-ID: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi,

I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install rubygems. I have installed
Ruby and that seems fine but when I try to install Gems (I am using the
files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this is what I get:-

pjt at pjtlaptop:~/rubygems-0.8.11$ sudo ruby setup.rb
---> bin
<--- bin
---> lib
---> lib/rubygems
<--- lib/rubygems
<--- lib
---> bin
adjusting shebang: gem_mirror
<--- bin
---> lib
---> lib/rubygems
<--- lib/rubygems
<--- lib
rm -f InstalledFiles
---> bin
mkdir -p /usr/local/bin/
install gemwhich /usr/local/bin/
install gem /usr/local/bin/
install gem_server /usr/local/bin/
install generate_yaml_index.rb /usr/local/bin/
install update_rubygems /usr/local/bin/


sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/package.rb:9
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/builder.rb:1
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:61:in
`manage_gems'
        from /usr/local/bin/gem:4

install gem_mirror /usr/local/bin/
<--- bin
---> lib
mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/
install ubygems.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/
install rubygems.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/
install gemconfigure.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/
---> lib/rubygems
mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install specification.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install builder.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install command.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install config_file.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install custom_require.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install doc_manager.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install format.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install cmd_manager.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install gem_runner.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install installer.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install loadpath_manager.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install old_format.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install open-uri.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install package.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install remote_installer.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install rubygems_version.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install source_index.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install deployment.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install timer.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install user_interaction.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install validator.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install version.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install gem_commands.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install dependency_list.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install security.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
install gem_openssl.rb /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems
<--- lib/rubygems
<--- lib

As of RubyGems 0.8.0, library stubs are no longer needed.
Searching $LOAD_PATH for stubs to optionally delete (may take a while)...
...done.
No library stubs found.

/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/package.rb:9
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/builder.rb:1
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
`require__'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:61:in
`manage_gems'
         ... 7 levels...
        from setup.rb:887:in `exec_install'
        from setup.rb:705:in `invoke'
        from setup.rb:674:in `invoke'
        from setup.rb:1352
pjt at pjtlaptop:~/rubygems-0.8.11$ cd


And gems is not installed. Help would be very greatly appriciated.

Regards,

Paul Thompson
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From theine at nordita.dk  Fri Dec 16 00:09:01 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:09:01 +0100
Subject: print to pdf?
In-Reply-To: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512160109.01713.theine@nordita.dk>

On Friday 16 December 2005 00:11, leon wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I just noticed that breezy can't print to pdf file though print to ps is
> possible. The problem is I need to send files to friends who don't know
> much about ps. I don't want everyone of them to install a ps viewer.

I suggest to use the command line utility ps2pdf for converting the Postscript 
file to PDF. If you don't have ps2pdf: sudo apt-get install gs-common

Regards,
Tobi



From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Fri Dec 16 01:15:58 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:15:58 +0000
Subject: moving system hard drive to new box
In-Reply-To: <20051215234744.GA12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051215234744.GA12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <200512160115.58304.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

probably, if ubuntu recognize your new disk controller
(and other hardware, but this is probably ok)
you have to set that your disk is boot disk and it is all
however, you have to try
On Thursday 15 December 2005 11:47 pm, David wrote:
> Forgive me if this question has been answered elsewhere.
> 
> I need a faster processor, but I've spent lots of effort setting up my 
> current Ubuntu as I like it. 
> 
> Is it possible to install my existing hard drive into a new box and make 
> it boot nicely?
> 
> David.
> 
> 



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 00:04:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:04:53 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
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The ext2 driver I pointed to is slick.  Just install it, it just asks
what letter you want to assign, and gives r/w access to linux
partition.  Just don't asiisgn the swap partition a drive letter.



for quick test, use "sudo nane /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and set the vertsync
to 50-100 and try one more time.  We are getting closer.





zenlakin Wrote: 
> I have windows on the same box. I don't know how to mount the ext2
> stuff. I also have internet access on my laptop as I was able to
> download the updates and the file you uploaded to your site. Hopefully
> I can get you my file soon.


-- 
azcrumpty



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 00:37:43 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:37:43 -0800
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134693463.26309.319.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:04 +1300, Paul Thompson wrote:
> sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
> /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
> `require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)


For my $$$...

I think It is look for  this file...


Vram






From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 00:36:56 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:36:56 -0500
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install rubygems. I have
> installed Ruby and that seems fine but when I try to install Gems (I am
> using the files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this is what I get:-
>
[snip]

>
>  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
> /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
> `require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)

[snip]

Looks like you need the zlib extention for ruby, since you're not
using ubuntu packages, i can't really tell you where to get it.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 00:45:08 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:45:08 -0500
Subject: moving system hard drive to new box
In-Reply-To: <20051215234744.GA12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051215234744.GA12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512151645s18d55d55xd56322ecf91d7eb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> Forgive me if this question has been answered elsewhere.
>
> I need a faster processor, but I've spent lots of effort setting up my
> current Ubuntu as I like it.
>
> Is it possible to install my existing hard drive into a new box and make
> it boot nicely?

Yes.  Typically this works without any issues (assuming all your new
hardware is actually supported)

My only recommendation is to make sure your drive is in the same
position on the controller as it is in your current box.  example; if
it's /dev/hda (primary master) keep it that way.

That avoids any crazy configuration problems with the bootloader itself.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From mdke at ubuntu.com  Fri Dec 16 00:47:04 2005
From: mdke at ubuntu.com (Matthew East)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:47:04 +0000
Subject: New Ubuntu Documentation
Message-ID: <1134694025.11293.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hey all,

Just a quick plug for the Documentation in Ubuntu: new versions of
ubuntu-docs have recently been uploaded to dapper and breezy-updates
(the latter pending approval).

What's new in Dapper:

We're releasing two main documents, the Desktop Starter Guide and the
Server Starter Guide. They are both in early stages of development,
testing, feedback, questions and above all contribution is always
welcome to the ubuntu-doc mailing list.

As always, you can find daily builds of the documentation (and details
of how to contribute) on http://doc.ubuntu.com

You can also contribute to Kubuntu documentation, same website, same
mailing list.

Thanks!!

Matt
-- 
mdke at ubuntu.com
gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF
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From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 01:05:42 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:05:42 +0100
Subject: kubuntu 5.10 cd automount
Message-ID: <3c743c460512151705w6fad8e4bicfa2705d787231fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


(Sorry if this came up before) I installed 5.10 on both the office and
home computer, and neither does automatic mount of cdrom when
inserting CDs. I suppose this is intentional then, which is rather
strange, considering that it even automounts USB sticks. Is there any
quick hint on how to achieve this, or do I have to dig myself into the
hotplug/whatever docs? :)


imre



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 01:01:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:01:37 -0500
Subject: Microphone problem
References: <pan.2005.10.10.23.48.39.481762@squeakydolphin.com>
	<pan.2005.10.11.03.32.02.514624@squeakydolphin.com>
	<PokerFacePenguin.1zzx4n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <pherseu.203zfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have ubuntu 5.10 and my microphone isnt working too.

Well, all possible  'highlited', and still with problems.

My mic is mute, I can't hear my own voice, can't record and can't speak
at skype or another voIP.



When I go to the capture screen in alsamixer (hiting TAB) I can't
highlight MIC and there is:



L        R

CAPTUR

<  MIC   >





What it mean? 

OBS: The sound is working OK, I can hear mp3, change volume, etc.

I'm using UBUNTU 5.10 kernel  2.6.12-10-386


-- 
pherseu



From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 02:12:16 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:12:16 +1300
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>

Found zlib then did this and got the results below:

pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.ja
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/Makefile
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/langsplit.rb
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.src
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.html
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.ja.html
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/.cvsignore
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/ChangeLog
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/MANIFEST
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/THANKS
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/extconf.rb
ruby-zlib-0.6.0/zlib.c
pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ cd ruby-zlib-0.6.0
pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ ruby extconf.rb
checking for deflateReset() in -lz... no
checking for deflateReset() in -llibz... no
checking for deflateReset() in -lzlib... no
pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ make
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.

What next?

Regards,

Paul


On 12/16/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  Hi,
> >
> >  I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install rubygems. I have
> > installed Ruby and that seems fine but when I try to install Gems (I am
> > using the files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this is what I get:-
> >
> [snip]
>
> >
> >  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
> > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
> > `require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
>
> [snip]
>
> Looks like you need the zlib extention for ruby, since you're not
> using ubuntu packages, i can't really tell you where to get it.
>
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 02:14:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:14:34 -0500
Subject: kubuntu 5.10 cd automount
References: <3c743c460512151705w6fad8e4bicfa2705d787231fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adwait.20427a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Type:

sudo kcontrol



in the terminal.



In there under peripherals>Storage Media>Advanced tab. Theres a check
box to allow automounting.


-- 
adwait



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 02:33:55 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:33:55 -0800
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134700436.26309.327.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Can you do a less on the Makefile and post it??

Vram


On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 15:12 +1300, Paul Thompson wrote:
> Found zlib then did this and got the results below:
> 
> pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.ja
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/Makefile
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/langsplit.rb
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.src
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.html
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.ja.html
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/.cvsignore
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/ChangeLog
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/MANIFEST
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/THANKS
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/extconf.rb
> ruby-zlib-0.6.0/zlib.c
> pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ cd ruby-zlib-0.6.0
> pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ ruby extconf.rb
> checking for deflateReset() in -lz... no
> checking for deflateReset() in -llibz... no
> checking for deflateReset() in -lzlib... no
> pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ make
> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> 
> What next?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 12/16/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
>         On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >  Hi,
>         >
>         >  I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install rubygems.
>         I have
>         > installed Ruby and that seems fine but when I try to install
>         Gems (I am 
>         > using the files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this is what I
>         get:-
>         >
>         [snip]
>         
>         >
>         >  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
>         > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in 
>         > `require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
>         
>         [snip]
>         
>         Looks like you need the zlib extention for ruby, since you're
>         not
>         using ubuntu packages, i can't really tell you where to get
>         it.
>         
>         --
>         ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
>         http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>         
>         --
>         ubuntu-users mailing list 
>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 




From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 02:40:39 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:10:39 +0530
Subject: Fwd: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <43A1BACA.2080107@ntlworld.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134554414.18853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051214103346.GA16395@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<d5bd99f70512140438p6b441cbcxbd04a37e063f40b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051214131304.GH8831@chastell.shot.pl>
	<d5bd99f70512140619tc6c552atcca3b8ea8e27af95@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A1BACA.2080107@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512151840r6ea90640w671d08f3fc7f8d6c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks man...

On 12/16/05, Toby Kelsey <toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> VIGNESH wrote:
>
> >  Also any games available for the CLI ?
>
> Here is a list of alleged text-mode/console games/packages:
>
> nethack-console slashem bsdgames angband zangband tome omega-rpg
> bsdgames-nonfree empire gnuchess gnugo greed mantanza zivot atom4
> freesweep junior-games-text lsnipes pente sillypoker tetrinet-client
>
> I didn't see a version of sokoban for the console, but I expect you can
> find a version on freshmeat.net.
>
> Toby
>
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From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 02:51:05 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:51:05 +1300
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <1134700436.26309.327.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134700436.26309.327.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <10681b470512151851m7d2719bdvf1654611f56493ab@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I am a real newbie! can you show me the command to do thatplease.

Paul

On 12/16/05, Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
>
>
> Can you do a less on the Makefile and post it??
>
> Vram
>
>
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 15:12 +1300, Paul Thompson wrote:
> > Found zlib then did this and got the results below:
> >
> > pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.ja
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/Makefile
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/langsplit.rb
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.src
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.html
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.ja.html
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/.cvsignore
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/ChangeLog
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/MANIFEST
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/THANKS
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/extconf.rb
> > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/zlib.c
> > pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ cd ruby-zlib-0.6.0
> > pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ ruby extconf.rb
> > checking for deflateReset() in -lz... no
> > checking for deflateReset() in -llibz... no
> > checking for deflateReset() in -lzlib... no
> > pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ make
> > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> > What next?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         >  Hi,
> >         >
> >         >  I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install rubygems.
> >         I have
> >         > installed Ruby and that seems fine but when I try to install
> >         Gems (I am
> >         > using the files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this is what I
> >         get:-
> >         >
> >         [snip]
> >
> >         >
> >         >  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
> >         >
> /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in
> >         > `require__': No such file to load -- zlib (LoadError)
> >
> >         [snip]
> >
> >         Looks like you need the zlib extention for ruby, since you're
> >         not
> >         using ubuntu packages, i can't really tell you where to get
> >         it.
> >
> >         --
> >         ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> >         http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> >
> >         --
> >         ubuntu-users mailing list
> >         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 02:50:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:50:26 -0500
Subject: FreeMind
References: <1115683002.13293.233731780@webmail.messagingengine.com><kassetra.1osi7m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><23meg.1xrc7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0510310029n683d6efbi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Daminator.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've got Freemind working from the command line, but I can't find it
anywhere in my menu system.

Do I need to manually add an icon? How can I do that? I've noticed that
I few things I've installed from the Synaptic PM don't add icons to my
menu. How can I know which apps haven't done that so that I can add
them manually (once I know how)?


-- 
Daminator



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 02:56:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:56:44 -0500
Subject: FreeMind
References: <1115683002.13293.233731780@webmail.messagingengine.com><kassetra.1osi7m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><23meg.1xrc7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0510310029n683d6efbi@mail.gmail.com>
	<Daminator.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <23meg.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can use the "Add Applications" item on the Applications menu in
Breezy, or you can install the Alacarte menu editor to edit the
Applications menu in other versions.

By the way, I still haven't got Freemind looking good in Breezy and
would appreciate any help with this.


-- 
23meg



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Fri Dec 16 03:02:51 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:02:51 -0500
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <vjd873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512141910v7a8b0f68la1fa0330c0a2c889@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051215100830.GC28633@die.therning.org>
	<vjd873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134702171.30825.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 11:10 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> otoh, I love the Outlook pop-up, which allows me to open an email message if
> I want, delete it unread, or just let it fade away to be dealt with next
> time I'm in the mail program.

I just got this as a new feature on the PCs at work (I'm just a user
there and it's a megacorp, so fat chance of them changing anything there
based upon my two cents) and while I do love that I can stay in word and
keep on typing unless I need to deal with the new email, I can imagine
it would suck if you were playing Quake or watching a movie (HTPC,
etc.). Again, this seems to be a "need to do it right, otherwise it will
annoy the users" thing.
-- 
                                                   brian at brianpuccio.net
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 03:20:13 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:20:13 -0800
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512151851m7d2719bdvf1654611f56493ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134700436.26309.327.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<10681b470512151851m7d2719bdvf1654611f56493ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134703213.26309.341.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Sure, it is 

less <filename>

Then copy and paste it in the email


Varm





On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 15:51 +1300, Paul Thompson wrote:
> Sorry, I am a real newbie! can you show me the command to do
> thatplease.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 12/16/05, Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
>         
>         Can you do a less on the Makefile and post it??
>         
>         Vram
>         
>         
>         On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 15:12 +1300, Paul Thompson wrote:
>         > Found zlib then did this and got the results below:
>         >
>         > pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.ja
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/Makefile
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/langsplit.rb 
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.rd.src
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.html
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/doc/zlib.ja.html
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/.cvsignore
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/ChangeLog
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/MANIFEST 
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/THANKS
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/extconf.rb
>         > ruby-zlib-0.6.0/zlib.c
>         > pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ cd ruby-zlib-0.6.0
>         > pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ ruby extconf.rb
>         > checking for deflateReset() in -lz... no 
>         > checking for deflateReset() in -llibz... no
>         > checking for deflateReset() in -lzlib... no
>         > pjt at pjtlaptop:~/ruby-zlib-0.6.0$ make
>         > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>         >
>         > What next?
>         >
>         > Regards,
>         >
>         > Paul
>         >
>         >
>         > On 12/16/05, Darryl Clarke <smartssa at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >         On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson < ubantu001 at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>         >         >  Hi,
>         >         >
>         >         >  I am a newbie to linux and I am trying to install
>         rubygems.
>         >         I have 
>         >         > installed Ruby and that seems fine but when I try
>         to install
>         >         Gems (I am
>         >         > using the files from www.rubyonrails.org),  this
>         is what I 
>         >         get:-
>         >         >
>         >         [snip]
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         >  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
>         >
>         > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in 
>         >         > `require__': No such file to load -- zlib
>         (LoadError)
>         >
>         >         [snip]
>         >
>         >         Looks like you need the zlib extention for ruby,
>         since you're
>         >         not
>         >         using ubuntu packages, i can't really tell you where
>         to get 
>         >         it.
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
>         >         http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         ubuntu-users mailing list
>         >         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         >
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>         >
>         
>         
>         --
>         ubuntu-users mailing list
>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 03:24:23 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:24:23 -0800
Subject: Rip Songs
Message-ID: <1134703463.26309.345.camel@localhost.localdomain>

HI

Am using Breezy

I know this must be easy..

Just haven't done it..

It there a HOWTO for ripping songs and saving them on a CD??
In Gnome?

TIA

Vram




From ganesanrajesh at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 03:19:48 2005
From: ganesanrajesh at gmail.com (G Rajesh)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:49:48 +0530
Subject: name resolving error
Message-ID: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,
I have two systems running on Ubuntu 5.10 - one P4 and another amd64. I
decided to connect them. 

1. I edited /etc/fstab by adding: 
//192.168.1.20:/home /net nfs rw 0 0 in the client system and 
2. edited /etc/exports of the server as:
/home 192.168.1.10(rw,async)
3. Earlier I have assigned static ip addresses for the eth card through
sytem>administration>networking as 
192.168.1.20 for server
192.168.1.10 for client
4. I have added these ipaddresses along with host & domain names
in /etc/hosts.
192.168.1.10 primary primary.grajesh.in
192.168.1.20 secondary secondary.grajesh.in

But, while booting (or when trying to mount nfs later), I get a message
as:
"mount: can't get address for //192.168.1.20"
Where do I go wrong? Please help. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Rajesh






From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 03:25:41 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:25:41 +0800
Subject: OT: google desktop on file server
Message-ID: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Is it possible to use google desktop search on my file servers? The server
is full of files but not properly organized, no matter what we do the files
just keep piling up and its getting harder and harder to find them.

Charles
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From quinn at the-cat.com  Fri Dec 16 03:30:36 2005
From: quinn at the-cat.com (quinn)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:30:36 -0500
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
In-Reply-To: <hun573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com> <hun573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <43A234DC.1090608@the-cat.com>

I tried ctrl-alt-f1 when I was having this problem, to no good end (I 
also tried the other function keys, including f7, as listed in the post 
you mentioned), and I tried them after rebooting, and I verified that I 
have no virtual terminals.

Derek Broughton wrote:

> Look for a post asking about this on Dells ("Re: Quick Dell laptop test -
>
>help required").  Perhaps it applies to you as well, in which case the
>quick fix is to _never_ close the lid unless you're running an X session.
>
>My blind fix when I do that is to ctrl-alt-f1, log in (just assume the login
>process is working) and do "sudo vbetool post".  You might verify if that
>works for you by going to vt1, login and type that command, but don't hit
>"enter" yet.  Then close & open the lid and if the screen is turned off,
>hit enter and see if it comes back.  If that works, another solution would
>be to write an ACPI rule to always issue "vbetool post" on the LID open
>event.
>  
>




From quinn at the-cat.com  Fri Dec 16 03:32:34 2005
From: quinn at the-cat.com (quinn)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:32:34 -0500
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
In-Reply-To: <Hobbes.200k9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com> <Hobbes.200k9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A23552.8070105@the-cat.com>

I am sure that it is just the screen, because the programs are still 
running.  The last time this happened, in addition to trying 
ctrl-alt-(each of the function keys in turn), I also typed some random 
keys, and after I rebooted, I discovered that that had done something to 
the messages in my mail window (which had been up when the screen went off).

'Forum Post wrote:

>Are you sure it's just the screen?  It sounds like for the laptop
>closing it might be trying to go into suspend mode, which has known
>issues, especially if you are using the 3d-enabled drivers.  Look
>around for answers on how to try to get suspend to work, including
>using Suspend2 instead.
>
>
>
>As for the "random" turning on and off: no clue sorry :(
>
>
>  
>




From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 03:35:28 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:35:28 -0500
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512151935h327e9f3y8f4a067f11ec8a2b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Found zlib then did this and got the results below:
>
>  pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
[snip]
>  make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>
>  What next?
>

Personally? I would've used the packages that ubuntu provides. :)

I've never manually installed, so I cannot help.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 03:38:33 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:38:33 +0800
Subject: OT: google desktop on file server
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512151938n33106c34mea21475cf1ef60ad@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Charles Yao <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>  Is it possible to use google desktop search on my file servers? The server
> is full of files but not properly organized, no matter what we do the files
> just keep piling up and its getting harder and harder to find them.
>
Two things I can think of:
There is no "Google Desktop" for Linux (yet)
Google Desktop is still a bit on the buggy side so be careful if your
going to install it on a Windows Server, you may find it will become
horribly slow or maybe even crash.

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 03:31:10 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:31:10 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
	VM
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com><1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com><1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com><1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain><1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain><1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Gandalf.2045wm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ben Collins Wrote: 
> > 0000:00:10.0 0100: 1000:0030 (rev 01)
> 
> This matches the mptspi module. It has an entry for your device, so it
> should be loading.
> 
> Can you add mptspi to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and run this command:
> 
> update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-7-386
> 
> Reboot and see if that works.
> 
> -- 
> Ben Collins <ben.collins (AT) ubuntu (DOT) com>
> Developer
> Ubuntu Linux
> 
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
I have the same problem with VM 5.5 except that i installed from Flight
2 CD, i didn't upgrade from breezy...

i tried what you have suggested:
edit /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and add mptspi to it
run update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.15-8-386 (it's 8 for me not 7)

did not work :(


-- 
Gandalf



From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 03:44:59 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:44:59 -0500
Subject: Rip Songs
In-Reply-To: <1134703463.26309.345.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134703463.26309.345.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512151944j528a3b1bwd14afa151e56ebef@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
> HI
>
> Am using Breezy
>
> I know this must be easy..
>
> Just haven't done it..
>
> It there a HOWTO for ripping songs and saving them on a CD??
> In Gnome?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CDRipping - this mentions sound-juicer -
personally I like grip - it's a little more technical.

To burn, use 'gnomebaker' and create a data CD containing the audio
files you created in the ripping process.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 16 03:50:36 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:50:36 +1300
Subject: name resolving error
In-Reply-To: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134705036.32653.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:49 +0530, G Rajesh wrote:
> Hello,
> I have two systems running on Ubuntu 5.10 - one P4 and another amd64. I
> decided to connect them. 
> 
> 1. I edited /etc/fstab by adding: 
> //192.168.1.20:/home /net nfs rw 0 0 in the client system and 
Try removing the leading "//".  The sysntax is "<host>:<path>", and
there are no "/" characters in a host name or IP address.

Since you have hosts file entries for both hosts, you could write:
secondary:/home /net nfs rw 0 0




> 2. edited /etc/exports of the server as:
> /home 192.168.1.10(rw,async)
> 3. Earlier I have assigned static ip addresses for the eth card through
> sytem>administration>networking as 
> 192.168.1.20 for server
> 192.168.1.10 for client
> 4. I have added these ipaddresses along with host & domain names
> in /etc/hosts.
> 192.168.1.10 primary primary.grajesh.in
> 192.168.1.20 secondary secondary.grajesh.in
> 
> But, while booting (or when trying to mount nfs later), I get a message
> as:
> "mount: can't get address for //192.168.1.20"
> Where do I go wrong? Please help. Thanks in advance.
> Regards,
> Rajesh


Tim




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 04:02:48 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:02:48 -0800
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512151935h327e9f3y8f4a067f11ec8a2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151935h327e9f3y8f4a067f11ec8a2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134705769.26309.352.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 22:35 -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Paul Thompson <ubantu001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Found zlib then did this and got the results below:
> >
> >  pjt at pjtlaptop:~$ tar zxvf ruby-zlib-0.6.0.tar.gz
> [snip]
> >  make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> >  What next?
> >
> 
> Personally? I would've used the packages that ubuntu provides. :)
> 
> I've never manually installed, so I cannot help.
> 
> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> 


It is not too late..

Thanks for the kick!!!


libcompress-zlib-perl - Perl module for creation and manipulation of
gzip files
libio-zlib-perl - IO:: style interface to Compress::Zlib
libzlib-ruby - Extension library to use zlib from Ruby
libzlib-ruby1.6 - An extension library to use zlib from Ruby 1.6
libzlib-ruby1.8 - Extension library to use zlib from Ruby 1.8
zlib-bin - compression library - sample programs
zlibc - Uncompressing C Library
zlib1g - compression library - runtime
zlib1g-dev - compression library - development


Do a 


# apt-get install libzlib-ruby1.8

See how that works...


Vram







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 03:52:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:52:51 -0500
Subject: name resolving error
References: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <amohanty.2046ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> //192.168.1.20:/home /net nfs rw 0 0

I dont use nfs much but afaik you dont need the double slashes. So what
happens if you remove the double slashes?

AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 03:58:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:58:12 -0500
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com> <Hobbes.200k9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A23552.8070105@the-cat.com>
Message-ID: <23meg.2046ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try commenting out the DPMS line in your xorg.conf file.


-- 
23meg



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 03:56:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:56:56 -0500
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com><37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com><10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151935h327e9f3y8f4a067f11ec8a2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DJ_Max.2046ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


As said, you're better off using the Ruby-Zlib package in the
repositories.



Do a

sudo apt-get install libzlib-ruby


-- 
DJ_Max



From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 04:11:12 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:11:12 +0800
Subject: OT: google desktop on file server
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512151938n33106c34mea21475cf1ef60ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512151938n33106c34mea21475cf1ef60ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512152011h10d0288ydf74f90afa321c08@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/16/05, Charles Yao <yaocharlesc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> >  Is it possible to use google desktop search on my file servers? The
> server
> > is full of files but not properly organized, no matter what we do the
> files
> > just keep piling up and its getting harder and harder to find them.
> >
> Two things I can think of:
> There is no "Google Desktop" for Linux (yet)
> Google Desktop is still a bit on the buggy side so be careful if your
> going to install it on a Windows Server, you may find it will become
> horribly slow or maybe even crash.
>
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Hi Senectus,

Thanks for the info.

Charles
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 04:51:27 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:51:27 -0800
Subject: name resolving error
In-Reply-To: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134708688.26309.363.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:49 +0530, G Rajesh wrote:
> Hello,
> I have two systems running on Ubuntu 5.10 - one P4 and another amd64. I
> decided to connect them. 
> 
> 1. I edited /etc/fstab by adding: 
> //192.168.1.20:/home /net nfs rw 0 0 in the client system and 
> 2. edited /etc/exports of the server as:
> /home 192.168.1.10(rw,async)
> 3. Earlier I have assigned static ip addresses for the eth card through
> sytem>administration>networking as 
> 192.168.1.20 for server
> 192.168.1.10 for client
> 4. I have added these ipaddresses along with host & domain names
> in /etc/hosts.
> 192.168.1.10 primary primary.grajesh.in
> 192.168.1.20 secondary secondary.grajesh.in
> 
> But, while booting (or when trying to mount nfs later), I get a message
> as:
> "mount: can't get address for //192.168.1.20"
> Where do I go wrong? Please help. Thanks in advance.
> Regards,
> Rajesh
> 


How are they connected...

Direct

Hub

Switch..

Wireless..

Magic..



Can you ping from one to the other????

Details Please


Vram


> 
> 
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 04:40:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:40:40 -0500
Subject: print to pdf?
References: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com> <200512160109.01713.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <wylfing.2049lz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> I just noticed that breezy can't print to pdf file



This is incorrect. -Firefox- doesn't print to PDF but that's because it
doesn't use the native Gnome print API. Breezy prints to PDF just fine.



> I suggest to use the command line utility ps2pdf for converting the
> Postscript file to PDF.



Yep, this will convert your PostScript files into PDFs quite nicely. It
might also solve the OP's problem of not being able to use the native
Gnome print dialog's PDF option.


-- 
wylfing



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 04:59:59 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:59 +0330
Subject: How to connect to my Ubuntu via a VNC Viewer?
Message-ID: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have installed a VNC viewer on my Windows XP and I want to be able
to access my Ubuntu (Hoary) through it. I also installed x11vnc on
Hoary. Now what other steps do I have to follow in order to connect to
my Hoary via VNC?

Thanks in advance,
Behi

--
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 05:03:58 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:33:58 +0330
Subject: How to connect to my Ubuntu via a VNC Viewer?
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0512152103s14e8ae21o9361182311a2c671@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just found out how to connect the PCs by reading the man for x11vnc.

- Behi

On 12/16/05, Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have installed a VNC viewer on my Windows XP and I want to be able
> to access my Ubuntu (Hoary) through it. I also installed x11vnc on
> Hoary. Now what other steps do I have to follow in order to connect to
> my Hoary via VNC?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Behi
>
> --
> "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh
> http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
> http://my.opera.com/behrangsa
>


--
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 05:22:38 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:22:38 -0500
Subject: windowsXP Don't boot up!
In-Reply-To: <psusi.203jom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <3a16a0c30512100237v48b26738sdab579d2a02bd7d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<psusi.203jom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512160022.38971.carney1979@gmail.com>

On Thursday 15 December 2005 14:24, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:
> Try booting windows in safe mode, and give it some time, it might just
> be slow.
>
>
> --
> psusi

Windows wants to be on the first partition of the first drive or it won't 
boot.

So you have to fool it into thinking it is.

You need to do this in the Windows section of your grub conf:

title Windows
  map (hd0) (hd1)      # Tell the first hard drive to pretend to be the second
  map (hd1) (hd0)      # Tell the second hard drive to pretend to be the first
  root (hd1,0)      # Tell GRUB Windows is on /dev/hdb1(No pretending here)
  rootnoverify (hd1,0) # GRUB won't attempt to mount the Windows drive
  makeactive           # Sets the partition to active
  chainloader +1       # Tells GRUB to load the Windows bootloader when done

The parts after the # are comments and don't need to be in your grub conf. 
They just help to explain to you what's going on.

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 06:18:24 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:18:24 +0100
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
Message-ID: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I am having a little problem with Dapper flight-2, where it seems the
gnome-panel keeps Gnome from starting. I tried killing it, no joy. I
tried removing gnome-panel and re-installing it, still no joy.
Then I created a new/fresh user, and Gnome started fine. 
So I guess the problem is to do with my existing user directory.
So I would like to try resetting everything related to gnome-panel in my
user directory, without touching anything else of course.

As far as I can see, everything is stored in:

.gconf
.gconfd
.gnome
.gnome_private
.gnome2
.gnome2_private

Does anyone know what files need to be reset (I could copy them from the
"fresh" user I just created) to get a 100% "virgin" gnome-panel so to
speak ?
hopefully this will allow it to start properly and allow Gnome to start
as it should...



Regards,


--
Vince




From tim.timmerman at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:25:04 2005
From: tim.timmerman at gmail.com (Tim T.)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:25:04 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu on IBM thinkcentre S50
Message-ID: <2feab1730512152225u5f425328r366aced17e63b1da@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

  I'm trying to install Ubuntiu 5.10 on an IBM think centre S50. No problems
with the install, but after leaving it on for
 ~24 hours,  the system locks.

  The symptoms: system left on for 24 hours (overnight). System load
increases from normal almost idle to around 2.5, 3.5.
  I can type commands, but they take a long while to load, and eventually,
the system stops responding.

  Pressing any key which causes the bell to ring, results in a very long,
drawn out sound..

  Based on earlier experiences with debian sarge on the same machine (which
ran just fine!) I killed the X server overnight. Still the same
  problem this morning. ( I know the video can't do accelerated X)

  One thing I tried this morning was reconfiguring the network (I know some
servers may have been rebooted overnight): However an ifdown eth0
  just hangs. Nothing funny in top, didn't see any runaway processes.
(Although top seemed to just hang there).

  I really need to release this system to production next week, so any and
all suggestions are welcome.


TimT.
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From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:36:59 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:06:59 +0330
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com> <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>

Can you please tell me which version of VMWare you are using that has good
speed and you have tested that on Breezy...
I need a testing area, Qemu is very slow and I cannot work with that and
I've heared VMWare is not a free software and we should register that to
use... do you know any free other free solution ?

Thanks Friends
Mehdi


On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 21:11 +0100, Max Andersen wrote:
> > leon wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
> > > already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower
> even
> > > with accelerator.
> > >
> >
> > Vmware (the version I use), is very fast. I run my XP in my vmware on
> > ubuntu, and it's faster than my other XP in boot and operation.
> >
> > So, sayingt vmware is slow, must mean you have a very old version or
> > outdated hardware for this purpose.
>
> Hmmm, I can only agree. I run VMware in Breezy with a 4 year old
> motherboard, modest 1.5GHz CPU with 768 of RAM, and I was amazed to see
> that Windows XP runs actually better as a guest than as a host on the
> same machine, a technical wonder. However, strangely, runnning Dapper in
> VMware is very sluggish to say the least. Good enough for the purpose
> (testing it and reporting bugs), but I couldn't use it for production
> work if I needed to.
>
> So if WinXP is fast as a host but slow in VMWare, I think it's probably
> lack of RAM. I think 512MB is a minimum to be really comfortable a
> modern Desktop like Gnome and big apps. But I am even happier now I
> upgraded to 768. The more RAM the better :-)
>
>
> --
> Vince
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
==================================================
Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
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Thusly has Creation put the Base;
One Limb impacted is sufficient,
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From behrangsa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:37:32 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:07:32 +0330
Subject: Starting x11vnc as a service
Message-ID: <2991d56c0512152237g5422b31dxda7f4abec84e6740@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

How can I start  x11vnc with a few custom parameters when Ubuntu starts up?

Thanks in advance,
Behi

--
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:38:23 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:38:23 +1300
Subject: Ruby Gems install - PLSE help
In-Reply-To: <DJ_Max.2046ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <10681b470512151604v5b8af9cfs4d710757f6dc5aeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151636l4923013axe500546e149f97ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<10681b470512151812o60ac89f5x59f3d888087beee4@mail.gmail.com>
	<37dd77890512151935h327e9f3y8f4a067f11ec8a2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<DJ_Max.2046ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <10681b470512152238o45345ff7rf2cdfeb17540661e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who replied. I got it working!

Paul

On 12/16/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> As said, you're better off using the Ruby-Zlib package in the
> repositories.
>
>
>
> Do a
>
> sudo apt-get install libzlib-ruby
>
>
> --
> DJ_Max
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:50:06 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:50:06 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com> <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512152250i4d29e22fi1b1c12a5bf96b4c1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Mehdi Hassanpour <mehdi.public at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you please tell me which version of VMWare you are using that has good
> speed and you have tested that on Breezy...
> I need a testing area, Qemu is very slow and I cannot work with that and
> I've heared VMWare is not a free software and we should register that to
> use... do you know any free other free solution ?

You are talking of VMWare Workstation, NOT VMWare Player who is free.
There's a guide in Ubuntuforums -> Customization Tip/Tips.



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 06:56:43 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:56:43 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com> <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134716203.8167.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 10:06 +0330, Mehdi Hassanpour wrote:
> Can you please tell me which version of VMWare you are using that has
> good speed and you have tested that on Breezy...

Well, I simply logged to www.vmware.com and picked-up Workstation 5.
But before that, I used version 4 on Hoary and it was just as fast with
Windows XP.

> I need a testing area, Qemu is very slow and I cannot work with that
> and  I've heared VMWare is not a free software and we should register
> that to use... 

Yep, it's closed source commercial software. It's a 30 day trial
version, so if you like it, you will have to pay for it.

> do you know any free other free solution ? 

Qemu seems to be the most popular, but apparently judging by people's
comments on its speed, it's not quite yet an alternative to VMware
sadly.
I think I came across another Virtual Machine in Synaptic called "Bosch"
or something, but I don't know the state of it and never heard of anyone
actually using it.


--
Vince




From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 06:57:39 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:57:39 +0800
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>

just out of interest... what happens if you drop back to terminal and
do a "killall -9 esd" ?
I'm having a similar problem with breezy except If I kill esd Gnome
starts immediately..


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 07:05:20 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:05:20 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <1134716203.8167.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com> <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134716203.8167.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512152305y12ade9b1v6d4996fc5cb05ea4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> I think I came across another Virtual Machine in Synaptic called "Bosch"
> or something, but I don't know the state of it and never heard of anyone
> actually using it.

Bochs. Do not confuse with this:
http://www.bosch-pt.com/it/it/hw/start/img/teaser-ixo.jpg

;)



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 07:11:01 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (Gruneberg)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:11:01 +0200
Subject: Silly question of the week...
Message-ID: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>

Hi all

How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?

i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.

Tha

Jean the confused...



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 07:17:10 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:17:10 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512152305y12ade9b1v6d4996fc5cb05ea4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com> <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>
	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134716203.8167.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512152305y12ade9b1v6d4996fc5cb05ea4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134717430.8167.34.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:05 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> > I think I came across another Virtual Machine in Synaptic called "Bosch"
> > or something, but I don't know the state of it and never heard of anyone
> > actually using it.
> 
> Bochs. Do not confuse with this:
> http://www.bosch-pt.com/it/it/hw/start/img/teaser-ixo.jpg
> 
> ;)

Yeah I know I asked for it ;-) but I couldn't be arsed to search
Synaptic for the correct spelling ;-)


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:15:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:15:51 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu on IBM thinkcentre S50
References: <2feab1730512152225u5f425328r366aced17e63b1da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kenweill.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I too have the same problems with my *IBM ThinkCentre A50.*



It works just fine after installing. But after several minutes of
standby, it stops responding. The only solution is to restart the
computer.



Everytime its on standby, it will stop responding. Or take a lot of
time executing commands.



I have no idea what the problem is. All of our *IBM ThinkCentre A50* (3
computers) got the same problem.



So I have no other choice but to remove Ubuntu and tried another
distro.

It work just fine on other distro, specifically Red Hat Linux 9 and
Bayanihan Linux 3.1. But with Ubuntu, it stops responding.



I have tried posting this problem, but no one ever responded. I guess
no one has an idea.



Well, lets just wait until someone out there using the same machines
have the same problem and solved it.



So anybody out there have the same situation, please post your
solutions here.


-- 
kenweill



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:18:18 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:18:18 -0500
Subject: How to edit PDF?
References: <bbda83370511250108w4a8e4edcob903d343854a9f71@mail.gmail.com>	<43873AC5.4090506@manchester.ac.uk>	<bcrowell.1z2zxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<200511271430.57625.h.eismark@privat.dk>	<4389B9B3.4090909@verizon.net><dmchus$8vr$1@sea.gmane.org>	<4389DC3A.2030302@verizon.net>	<20051128221053.GH22378@riva.ucam.org><dn1u53-tst.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<438D5AE7.3050005@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


1. 'XPDF' (http://tucows.com/preview/10278)
2. 'AurigaDoc' (http://tucows.com/preview/300453)
3. 'GhostScript' (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/)


-- 
anil_robo



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 07:20:49 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:20:49 +0100
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134717649.8167.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:11 +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
> How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
> i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.

Hmmm :-)

If you switch to a virtual terminal (press Alt + Control + F1), the
prompt should tell you both the code name and version number of the
release... 


--
Vince




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 07:34:12 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:34:12 +0100
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 14:57 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> just out of interest... what happens if you drop back to terminal and
> do a "killall -9 esd" ?

Nothing happens at all. Actually I am not even sure esd is running in
Dapper... I couldn't see it when I ran 'top'.

> I'm having a similar problem with breezy except If I kill esd Gnome
> starts immediately..

Yeah I remember having that problem too, in the very early days of
Breezy. I would hang randomly during the start-up of Gnome.
But this time as I explained, it seems to really be related to the Gnome
panel and it chocking on my existing user directory (it works fine with
a "fresh" user).

--
Vince




From david at kenpro.com.au  Fri Dec 16 07:36:06 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:36:06 +1100
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051216073606.GA14538@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:11:01AM +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
> 
> i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.

Silly answer of the week:

david at host:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list

David.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:28:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:28:19 -0500
Subject: How to convert html and jpeg to pdf
References: <509d63b705092518577051dbb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200509261223.46869.4pascal@tpg.com.au>
	<anil_robo.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <towsonu2003.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


anil_robo Wrote: 
> 
> That option does not exist in my Ubuntu installation. Are you sure? 

Try Epiphany...

Or use ps2pdf for converting postscript (printed) files into pdf.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=104255&highlight=ps2pdf


-- 
towsonu2003



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:25:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:25:01 -0500
Subject: How to convert html and jpeg to pdf
References: <509d63b705092518577051dbb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200509261223.46869.4pascal@tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thanks for posting the reply, Pascal! I have certain comments.

> If you have html pages with images inbedded, go to print, and print to
> PDF. 
That option does not exist in my Ubuntu installation. Are you sure? Can
you please take out two minutes of your time and check that right now -
try to print this firefox window as a pdf from Ubuntu. If you can,
please send me a screenshot so that I can know if something is wrong
with my Ubuntu.

> option is importing your files into OOo, and exporting them to PDF.
Yes, but HTML files have issues when imported in OO.o. Try saving this
forum page as HTML and  then open it in OO.o. YOu'll understand what I
mean.

PDF tools for Linux:
1. 'XPDF' (http://tucows.com/preview/10278)
2. 'AurigaDoc' (http://tucows.com/preview/300453)
3. 'GhostScript' (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/)


-- 
anil_robo



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:29:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:29:34 -0500
Subject: Silly question of the week...
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Type "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal.


-- 
23meg



From foinux at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 07:45:48 2005
From: foinux at gmail.com (Naef Hamad)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:45:48 +0300
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <1134717649.8167.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
	<1134717649.8167.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ff2103820512152345q4f84991cn1ac1c533dfca7980@mail.gmail.com>

vince ,why most of us not get something like that ^_^,good good idea :)

thank you

On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:11 +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
> > How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
> > i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.
>
> Hmmm :-)
>
> If you switch to a virtual terminal (press Alt + Control + F1), the
> prompt should tell you both the code name and version number of the
> release...
>
>
> --
> Vince
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 08:00:18 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:00:18 -0800
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com> <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134720018.26309.375.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 02:29 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Type "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal.
> 
> 

or  "dog /etc/issue"



Vram




> -- 
> 23meg
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 07:48:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:48:01 -0500
Subject: Silly question of the week...
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
	<1134717649.8167.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <alamba.204hxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


uhhhh...just look at the screen during boot up...first screen that comes
up will have it!!



Akshay


-- 
alamba



From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 08:11:43 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:11:43 +0800
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:

> But this time as I explained, it seems to really be related to the Gnome
> panel and it chocking on my existing user directory (it works fine with
> a "fresh" user).
Same here.. If I create a new user, that guy logs in without a
problem.. log in as me, I'm locked up till I kill esd..

weird huh..


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 08:18:43 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:18:43 +0800
Subject: Running Google Talk on ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <80f459360512140626l56a7bf9bn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134524715.8573.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<9f3bd8840512131813t2a5a3b32i@mail.gmail.com>
	<77520bee0512140607q5632e615m15ad1593f485fbe0@mail.gmail.com>
	<80f459360512140626l56a7bf9bn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512160018o23244b64ia69131055fa602c5@mail.gmail.com>

this might interest you:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/16/070245&tid=217&tid=215&tid=95

"Jabber has published the experimental draft Jingle specs, which
extend XMPP for use in voice over IP (VoIP), video, and other
peer-to-peer multimedia sessions. Google released an open-source
library called 'Libjingle' on SourceForge. Libjingle is a set of
components provided by Google that let your programs interoperate with
Google Talk's peer-to-peer and voice calling capabilities. The package
includes source code for Google's implementation of Jingle and
Jingle-Audio."


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 08:10:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:10:07 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu on IBM thinkcentre S50
References: <2feab1730512152225u5f425328r366aced17e63b1da@mail.gmail.com>
	<kenweill.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <kenweill.204iva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Make sure you've booted the box with the "noapic" and "apic=off" kernel
command line options; without these you'll find it (the A50) freezes
regularly (at least on the newer revisions this is true)



hi

some say that you(we) have to include the "noapic" and "apic=off" in
the kernel command line options.



I haven't tried it yet. I just hope it works.


-- 
kenweill



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 08:21:38 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (Gruneberg)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:21:38 +0200
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <20051216073606.GA14538@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
	<20051216073606.GA14538@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <43A27912.8090601@gmail.com>

David wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:11:01AM +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
>   
> Silly answer of the week:
>
> david at host:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> David.
>
>   
This is the strange part......

This was a dapper install.....

Then was looking for a package this am, refreshing the sources list gave 
me 'breezy' package lists and I know I had checked they were 'dapper' 
after install.

the cat /etc/apt/sources.list all point to breezy repositories

the cat /etc/issue says 'Dapper Drake'

Hmmm... the thot plickens...... wonder when / where my sources list was 
modded?

Trying to remember is I did something that would mod the list..... 
dunno..... the box is my podcast download and store server.  so not 
serious, will hand mod the sources list and then update with flight2 
this pm.

Jean




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 16 08:23:48 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:23:48 +0100
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134721428.8131.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 16:11 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> 
> > But this time as I explained, it seems to really be related to the Gnome
> > panel and it chocking on my existing user directory (it works fine with
> > a "fresh" user).
> Same here.. If I create a new user, that guy logs in without a
> problem.. log in as me, I'm locked up till I kill esd..
> 
> weird huh..

Hmmm, interesting, thanks for insisting on this... I would have thought
that sound related stuff was low level enough to be common to all users,
my mistake then :-/


--
Vince




From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk  Fri Dec 16 08:39:25 2005
From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:25 +0000
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A27D3D.20704@manchester.ac.uk>



Gruneberg wrote:

> How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
> 
> i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.

Type 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal window. The man page for lsb_release
tells you about all its options.

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester,
IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.
T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039
E: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk, H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold



From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 08:57:24 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:57:24 +0800
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <1134721428.8131.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134721428.8131.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512160057j7a9ea43eo6ba627b1ff51a0f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 16:11 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > But this time as I explained, it seems to really be related to the Gnome
> > > panel and it chocking on my existing user directory (it works fine with
> > > a "fresh" user).
> > Same here.. If I create a new user, that guy logs in without a
> > problem.. log in as me, I'm locked up till I kill esd..
> >
> > weird huh..
>
> Hmmm, interesting, thanks for insisting on this... I would have thought
> that sound related stuff was low level enough to be common to all users,
> my mistake then :-/
>
just to be complete with information:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102359 <==where it started
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102970 <==Where I'm at now :-/

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From warlock at eskimo.com  Fri Dec 16 07:06:00 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:06:00 -0800
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
In-Reply-To: <1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134716760.8721.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 21:51 -0500, Brian Puccio wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
> > 
> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
> 
> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
> it would need to be done right


Have the notification bubble hang around for a set time *after* some
other user interaction. So If you walk away from your machine for a
while, and the notification pops up, it hangs around until a few seconds
after a key is pressed, or the mouse is moved. Not perfect, but a nice
compromise. 

-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up
something else." --Lily Tomlin
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From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Fri Dec 16 09:26:31 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:31 +0100
Subject: Trash does not work across partitions
In-Reply-To: <43A1A205.6040308@cfl.rr.com>
References: <200512141212.37524.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<43A0063C.1060805@manchester.ac.uk> <43A1A205.6040308@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200512161026.31795.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

Going directly to the folder without following symlinks leads to the same 
error message.

On Thursday 15 December 2005 18:04, Phillip Susi wrote:
> Of course mv works across partitions, it always has.  Obviously it is
> slower because it has to copy and delete rather than just rename, but
> it works.
>
> It sounds like nautilus thinks that the stuff in /home is on the same
> filesystem, and is trying to rename rather than copy+delete.  This
> confusion may be the result of your using a /home symlink.  Try
> actually mounting the other filesystem in /home instead of symlinking
> to it.  If that fixes it, then yes, I'd call this a bug in nautilus.
>
> Tony Arnold wrote:
> > I'd call it a limitation rather than a bug!
> >
> > As I understand it, Nautilus uses the 'mv' command to move files from
> > their current directory to the Trash directory. mv within the same
> > file system is very efficient as the file itself stays where it is
> > physically. To implement mv accross paritition, one would have to
> > copy the file and delete the old file with the risk of things going
> > wrong part way through this process.
> >
> > Certainly in older Unixes, mv between paritions did not work. I've
> > not tried it on more recent version of Linux.
> >
> > I guess one answer would be for Nautilus to keep a trash directory
> > for each file system, and mv the file to there.



From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Fri Dec 16 09:29:21 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:29:21 +0100
Subject: NOTSOLVED: removable Media
In-Reply-To: <dno7rj$b2u$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <teaker1s.1zzucm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<dno7rj$b2u$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200512161029.22085.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

On Wednesday 14 December 2005 05:42, Thilo Six wrote:
> 'Forum Post schrieb am 13.12.2005 20:22:
> > volume manager crapped out on me and that's how mine was fixed
>
> Thank you. Now after:
>
> sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-volume-manager hal pmount
>
> everything works again.  :-D

I have the exact same problem, except that the presented solution does not 
work on my system :-(

Plugging in a storage device generates the /dev/sda1 device, but does not 
get mounted.  Mounting by hand then brings up the desktop icon.

Any other ideas what I could look for?

Burt



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Fri Dec 16 10:23:23 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:23:23 +0000
Subject: How to connect to my Ubuntu via a VNC Viewer?
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0512152103s14e8ae21o9361182311a2c671@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0512152103s14e8ae21o9361182311a2c671@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134728603.8586.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:33 +0330, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just found out how to connect the PCs by reading the man for x11vnc.
> 
> - Behi
> 
> On 12/16/05, Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have installed a VNC viewer on my Windows XP and I want to be able
> > to access my Ubuntu (Hoary) through it. I also installed x11vnc on
> > Hoary. Now what other steps do I have to follow in order to connect to
> > my Hoary via VNC?
> >

You can also set up the default server (presumably Vino) for incoming
VNC by using System->Preferences->Remote Desktop.

Neil
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From info at bolzo.it  Fri Dec 16 10:24:26 2005
From: info at bolzo.it (frank)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:24:26 +0100
Subject: Ndiswrapper & default gateway on boot / un-hibernate
Message-ID: <1134728666.12994.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all.
I've got two problem with ubuntu 5.10:

a) On boot i put my pcmcia wifi card before turn on the pc. Ndiswrapper
seems to be load correctly but the default gateway isn't set to the
correct interface (it's set to eth0 instead wlan0). How correct this,
making the default gateway is set by the interface that is working
(sometimes eth0, sometimes wlan0) ?

b) With ubuntu 5.10 the hibernate feature for my notebook works fine.
I'm really happy until i realize that ndiswrapper, after the resume,
isn't working. I've tried to unload the module but the kernel says
"module in use". Tryed also to pullout - pullin the pcmcia card: the log
shows that system recognise the out - in movement correctly but
ndiswrapper still don't "see" the card. Any idea or workaround ?

Thanks to all






From info at bolzo.it  Fri Dec 16 10:28:15 2005
From: info at bolzo.it (frank)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:28:15 +0100
Subject: Sane-gensys bakend: where is ?
Message-ID: <1134728895.12994.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I need this backend to have my hp 2300C scanner working.
Where i can find it ? I think isn't into sane package coming with ubuntu
(5.10)

Thanks





From elviseno at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:41:40 2005
From: elviseno at gmail.com (Yu Elvis)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:41:40 +0800
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 213
In-Reply-To: <E1EnA6W-00089w-Ik@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EnA6W-00089w-Ik@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <907b19de0512160241p6f56d646o@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:11:01 +0200
> From: Gruneberg <kaosboss at gmail.com>
> Subject: Silly question of the week...
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <43A26885.6070808 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi all
>
> How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
>
> i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.
>
> Tha
>
> Jean the confused...
>
>
>
> try uname
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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Fri Dec 16 11:00:51 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:00:51 +0000
Subject: Seveas repositories name warning. (FreeNX)
Message-ID: <1134730851.8586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I added the seveas.ubuntulinux.nl to my repositories list a couple of
weeks back, (following the instructions at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX) so that I could add the FreeNX packages
to my Breezy system.  This worked fine, and the packages installed
perfectly.  Thanks to Dennis Kaarsemaker for this useful resource.

However, when I reloaded my sources in Synaptic today I received the
following error;

W: Conflicting distribution: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl breezy-seveas
Release (expected breezy-seveas but got ubuntu-seveas)

Is this a permanent change, in which case should I update my
repositories list, or a temporary problem?

Neil
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From ralfepoisson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 11:52:33 2005
From: ralfepoisson at gmail.com (Ralfe Poisson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:52:33 +0200
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A2AA81.8010902@gmail.com>

If you type the command : "uname -a", that will also tell you about 
versions to do with your linux distro. Kernel version etc...

Ralfe

"Open the Doors and Smash the Windows."
=======================================
           RALFE POISSON
          Systems Analyst
         ModernAbstraction

 email:ralfe at modernabstraction.za.org
  web: www.modernabstraction.za.org
=======================================



Gruneberg wrote:

> Hi all
>
> How do I tell what version of Ubuntu is running on a system?
>
> i.e 4.10 / 5.04 / 5.10 / 6.04 etc.
>
> Tha
>
> Jean the confused...
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 12:04:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:21 -0500
Subject: Silly question of the week...
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com> <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134720018.26309.375.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <doitashimashite.204tza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Vram Wrote: 
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 02:29 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:

> > Type "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal.

> > 

> > 

> 

> or  "dog /etc/issue"

> 



But don't forget to



sudo ln -s /bin/cat /bin/dog



first.


-- 
doitashimashite



From frans at samganvendel.nl  Fri Dec 16 12:22:27 2005
From: frans at samganvendel.nl (frans bos)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:22:27 +0100
Subject: festival installation
In-Reply-To: <e50811220512101259v7300dd12u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4399ABA6.5000502@inter.nl.net>
	<e50811220512101259v7300dd12u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A2B183.2090204@samganvendel.nl>

Olafur Arason schreef:

>try doing apt-get source festival
>then you can do sudo apt-get build-dep festival
>then do cd festival-(version)
>then when you are done with adding your voices you can do
>sudo dpkg-buildpackage
>
>Olafur Arson
>2005/12/9, frans bos <frans.bos at inter.nl.net>:
>  
>
>>I want to extend my Festival installation in Ubuntu 5.10. with a Dutch
>>speaking unit. Now I need to recompile the whole set of Festival files.
>>There is only one problem Is there somebody who knows how Festival is
>>configured. It is done in a "Ubuntu Debian" style and for this I need
>>the config and probely the source files.
>>
>>Can somebody help me.
>>
>>Frans Bos
>>
>>
>>--
>>ubuntu-users mailing list
>>ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
Today I had finnaly time to try this. I am not familair with 
dpkg-buildpackage. So I am in trouble now. I get lots of complaines like 
in the end of this mail. What did I forget or do wrong.

Frans Bos


dpkg-source: building festival using existing festival_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz
dpkg-source: building festival in festival_1.4.3-17ubuntu1.diff.gz
dpkg-source: warning: file lib/etc/AMAZON.LICENSE has no final newline 
(either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/amazon: binary file 
contents changed
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/amazon.blf: binary file 
contents changed
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/amazon.exe: binary file 
contents changed
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/glib-1.3.dll: binary 
file contents changed
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/mbrola: binary file 
contents changed
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/etc/mbrola.exe: binary file 
contents changed
dpkg-source: warning: file lib/cygwin.scm has no final newline (either 
original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file lib/praat.scm has no final newline (either 
original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_accent_prosit.scm has 
no final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_break.scm has no final 
newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_break_herwijnen.scm has 
no final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_break_prosit.scm has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_ib_dur_lucent.scm has 
no final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_int_todi.scm has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_lex_addenda.scm has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_nintens.scm has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/festvox/net_nl_synthesis.scm has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: cannot represent change to 
lib/voices/dutch/net_nl_ib_mbrola/nl3/nl3: binary file contents changed
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensFonpars/g0apho.h has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensFonpars/g1apho.h has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensFonpars/grapho.h has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensFonpars/p0ldp.h has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensFonpars/ppldp.h has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file src/modules/NextensTimbl/Makefile has no 
final newline (either original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file NEXTENS.COPYING has no final newline (either 
original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: file NEXTENS.LICENSE has no final newline (either 
original or modified version)
dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file bin/VCLocalRules
dpkg-source: building festival in festival_1.4.3-17ubuntu1.dsc
dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source




From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 16 12:31:01 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:31:01 +1100
Subject: Seveas repositories name warning. (FreeNX)
Message-ID: <43A2B385.4000301@optusnet.com.au>

It is a permanent change and you should update your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file:

Replace deb http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/ 
<http://free.linux.hp.com/%7Ebrett/seveas/freenx/> breezy-seveas freenx

with deb http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/ 
<http://free.linux.hp.com/%7Ebrett/seveas/freenx/> ubuntu-seveas freenx



From rkimber at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 16 12:30:42 2005
From: rkimber at ntlworld.com (R Kimber)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:30:42 +0000
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <doitashimashite.204tza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com> <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134720018.26309.375.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<doitashimashite.204tza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051216123042.4244b5f2.rkimber@ntlworld.com>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:21 -0500
'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
wrote:

> 
> Vram Wrote: 
> > On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 02:29 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> > > Type "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal.
> 
> 
> > or  "dog /etc/issue"

> 
> But don't forget to

> sudo ln -s /bin/cat /bin/dog
> first.

Or you could even install dog.
-- 
Richard Kimber
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 12:51:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:51:11 -0500
Subject: FreeMind
References: <1115683002.13293.233731780@webmail.messagingengine.com><kassetra.1osi7m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><23meg.1xrc7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0510310029n683d6efbi@mail.gmail.com>
	<Daminator.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<23meg.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Daminator.204vty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Going through the wiki posted above
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeMindInBreezy) sorted me out. Although I
still don't know how to get an icon, for any of my apps that don't have
icons, into the menu.


-- 
Daminator



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 13:09:09 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:09:09 +0200
Subject: xmame-sdl sound problems
Message-ID: <1134738549.11591.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Anyone using xmame-sdl and has gotten sound to work?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 13:03:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:31 -0500
Subject: FreeMind
References: <1115683002.13293.233731780@webmail.messagingengine.com><kassetra.1osi7m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><23meg.1xrc7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0510310029n683d6efbi@mail.gmail.com>
	<Daminator.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<23meg.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Daminator.204vty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <23meg.204wra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You can do it with Applications / System Tools / Application Menu Editor
.


-- 
23meg



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 13:07:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:07:27 -0500
Subject: FreeMind
References: <1115683002.13293.233731780@webmail.messagingengine.com><kassetra.1osi7m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><23meg.1xrc7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0510310029n683d6efbi@mail.gmail.com>
	<Daminator.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<23meg.20441y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Daminator.204vty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<23meg.204wra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Daminator.204wra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ah, got it working that time .. thanks


-- 
Daminator



From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 16 13:36:31 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:36:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: USB mass storage device
Message-ID: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

They are recognized as is by nautilus, and disks
manager, but the system cannot mount it. It says : the
UID given is not a mountable volume, while Im sure I
had access to it a few months ago.

My fstab line is very basic :
/dev/sda       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults       
0       0

??

Sebastien.




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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 13:29:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:29:11 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsb1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.1zsdty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	ums.org> <zenlakin.2011va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.201ety@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.201rsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.2038km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.203fza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.203q5z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.203s0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.203wna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <zenlakin.204xom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I will try and test that when I get home and see wat happens. If it
still doesn't work I will install the ext2 program and post up my log
file.


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 13:30:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:30:02 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	ums.org> <zenlakin.2011va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.201rsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.2038km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <zenlakin.204xom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Did you ever get the wireless working by following that link I posted?
My friend tried it on his laptop and it is working.


-- 
zenlakin



From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 14:18:36 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:18:36 -0500
Subject: gaim: Feature, almost everybody lacks
In-Reply-To: <1134675733.9528.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>
	<1134675733.9528.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512160618v66536e2ahbf7ce39267a1f5a3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Charles E RIck Taylor IV <rick at rickandpatty.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 15:07 +0100, Andreas Zeller wrote:
> > Package: gaim
> > Version: 1:1.5.0-1ubuntu3
> > Severity: wishlist
>
> > One should be able to see the active status of ones own messenger. Like if it is away,
> > n/a or online.
>
> Doesn't gaim already do this?  At least, the icon in the notification
> area changes to indicate if my Yahoo account (the only one I use) is
> online, away, or offline.  This is with the version of gaim supplied
> with Breezy.

The notification icon does change, but it's global.

I think the OP is requesting that it show status -per- protocol, as
well as allowing one to connect invisibly to ICQ or 'away from office'
to Yahoo without being available - then setting it after connect.

Of course, this is the wrong place for this really, since we're not
gaim developers :)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim/ -- would be a better place to
start ones quest for features.

On the other hand, today is supposed to mark the release of Gaim 2.0.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From bassix at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 14:26:54 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:54 -0500
Subject: upgrading kernel in VMware Virtual machine of dapper kills the
	VM
In-Reply-To: <Gandalf.2045wm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <4f357904173794f1ba1c9284a09cc5ae@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133982608.3248.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2f898acac27813e6591d827315f94a32@sjoeboo.com>
	<1e71434826dd1120887343bc3e9b2a5c@sjoeboo.com>
	<1133990741.3248.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134003688.8106.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134004691.19066.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134009668.8106.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134050559.19066.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Gandalf.2045wm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512160626h44c4259o9facf6c59c0f2814@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I've been following this thread and wanted to tell you that I DID
get Dapper (Flight CD 1) to work in VMware 5.5, however I am not at my
machine now, so will explain best I can.

First of all I tried twice to install Dapper in a fresh VM (with
DEFAULT settings). It would not boot.

Thanks to the original post, I sort of knew what was the problem (SCSI
sda virtual disk). So this is what I did and everything works...
unfortunately it requires creating a new VM:

1) Create a Virtual Machine, but select "custom" (or advanced, I can't
remember off the top of my head).

2) You can stay with all defaults until you get to the virtual disk
section. There you must select the NON-DEFAULT item (one of them I
believe is BusLogic... I can't remember which is which though).

Everything else seems to work fine. I've been able to reboot into
Dapper several times without problems (so far).

I hope that helps!

-Steve.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 14:56:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:56:17 -0500
Subject: gaim: Feature, almost everybody lacks
References: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net><1134675733.9528.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512160618v66536e2ahbf7ce39267a1f5a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nocturn.2051dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Gaim 2.0 should add this I guess.



The current hack is to create buddies for yourself, it works quite well
actually...


-- 
nocturn



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 15:07:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:07:36 -0500
Subject: USB mass storage device
References: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <stuporglue.2052bb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Maybe you've formatted it since that fstab entry? See what fdisk thinks
of it, and ajust your fstab accordingly. 



$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda


-- 
stuporglue



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 15:30:49 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:30:49 -0500
Subject: dpkg-dev: bad absolute symlinks with dpkg-buildpackage
In-Reply-To: <20051213171556.BAEDCCF74E@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051213171556.BAEDCCF74E@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051216153049.GB21082@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Benoît Rouits" on Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:15:56PM EST>

> $ editor Makefile
> [...]
> install:
> 	install foo $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin
> 	ln -s $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin/foo $DESTDIR/$(PREFIX)/bin/bar
> #		^^^^^ this cause the corruption
> #<EOF>

In this case is where debhelper works really good. You could use dh_link
instead.

install:
    dh_install foo usr/bin/foo
    dh_link usr/bin/foo usr/bin/bar


Seth





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 15:52:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:52:17 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF
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Bump?


-- 
mattotoole



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 15:55:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:55:40 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
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zenlakin Wrote: 
> Did you ever get the wireless working by following that link I posted?
> My friend tried it on his laptop and it is working.
No, I didn't get the wireless up, yet.  I have been investiagting other
things.  Somehow, a 64 bit library has been clobbered by a 32 bit
library and the screensaver doesn't work.  I am trying to figure out
how that happened since I use package management.  It is the libGL
library that is broken.


-- 
azcrumpty



From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec 16 15:54:36 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:54:36 +0100
Subject: USB mass storage device
In-Reply-To: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dnunvj$4d4$1@sea.gmane.org>

Camuzat Sebastien schrieb am 16.12.2005 14:36:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> They are recognized as is by nautilus, and disks
> manager, but the system cannot mount it. It says : the
> UID given is not a mountable volume, while Im sure I
> had access to it a few months ago.
> 
> My fstab line is very basic :
> /dev/sda       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults       
> 0       0
> 
> ??
> 
> Sebastien.

I had the same problem. Solution that works for me:
sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-volume-manager hal pmount

but there is also someone for whome the above not works.

so try and maybe search through the list, look for subject:
"removable Media"

let us know if this works for you.

bye Thilo




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 16 15:44:04 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:44:04 -0400
Subject: this looks pretty cool, notification bubbles..
References: <d12e5c90512141724q558fa38erae7cf023a803d81d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134615079.30680.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134716760.8721.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Jim Richardson wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 21:51 -0500, Brian Puccio wrote:
>> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 09:24 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
>> > http://www.martianrock.com/?p=175
>> > 
>> > This would look bloody brilliant in dapper :-D
>> 
>> It looks cool, but I read an article (or blog entry or something) about
>> the usability of same and it raised a few valid points. What if the
>> notification pops up while I'm AFK for a glass of water and I miss it?
>> The solution to that is to make it require me to click on it to make it
>> go away. However, if I'm in the middle of something, I may not want to
>> have to push interruptions out of my way. There were a few other issues
>> raised in the writing that I don't remember off hand, but it seems to be
>> a sticky issue. While I'm sure there is a decent way to implement these,
>> it would need to be done right
> 
> 
> Have the notification bubble hang around for a set time *after* some
> other user interaction. So If you walk away from your machine for a
> while, and the notification pops up, it hangs around until a few seconds
> after a key is pressed, or the mouse is moved. Not perfect, but a nice
> compromise.
> 
I like that.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 16 15:56:19 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:56:19 -0400
Subject: Screen shutting off and refusing to turn back on
References: <439F68DB.4090709@the-cat.com> <hun573-sh9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<43A234DC.1090608@the-cat.com>
Message-ID: <3m4b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

quinn wrote:

> I tried ctrl-alt-f1 when I was having this problem, to no good end (I
> also tried the other function keys, including f7, as listed in the post
> you mentioned), and I tried them after rebooting, and I verified that I
> have no virtual terminals.

No virtual terminals?  What version of Ubuntu are you running?  There was a
known (and fixed) bug with X keyboard drivers in breezy.  It's so long
since I had it, I can't remember what you needed to install but check in
your X logs for _any_ keyboard warning.  If you see it, then google for
that message and it should lead you to the fix.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 16 15:42:01 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:42:01 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mike Bird wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 06:29, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> I pushed for not forcing Postfix onto the system, but that's
>> because it's overkill for what Ubuntu promises.
> 
> I know Gnome's policy is to dumb down the system to the lowest
> common denominator -
>
http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000486.html
> http://lwn.net/Articles/163792/
> - but could not Kubuntu install Postfix and Mailx?
> 
> The Postfix debconf help could maybe use some clarification
> but I think most KDE users are capable of clicking on "Local
> Delivery Only" if that's what they actually want.

But Postfix is huge overkill.  If (*)ubuntu-desktop required
<mail-transport-agent> (the minimum mailx would seem to need is esmtp) and
recommended postfix, I'd be happy enough.  Removing mailx is not "dumbing
down", it's crippling.  
-- 
derek




From rasputnik at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 16:25:18 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:25:18 +0000
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Message-ID: <3f1760512160825q2af382fbl@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:

> But Postfix is huge overkill.

You'll need a sendmail binary at least, so why not postfix?

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From T.Six at gmx.de  Fri Dec 16 16:37:14 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:37:14 +0100
Subject: NOTSOLVED: removable Media
In-Reply-To: <200512161029.22085.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>
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Robert Entner schrieb am 16.12.2005 10:29:

>>sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-volume-manager hal pmount
> 
> I have the exact same problem, except that the presented solution does not 
> work on my system :-(
> 
> Plugging in a storage device generates the /dev/sda1 device, but does not 
> get mounted.  Mounting by hand then brings up the desktop icon.
> 
> Any other ideas what I could look for?
> 
> Burt
> 

Did you reboot this computer?
I had a little Trayicon after this reinstall saying:
"Postinst information: you have to reboot..."

bye Thilo




From monotux at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 16:45:50 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:45:50 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
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Message-ID: <20051216174550.3dbb9a27.monotux@gmail.com>

Xen seems to be the next hype in this area - there's a howto over at howtoforge, if you want to try it out.

http://www.howtoforge.org/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu

Oscar

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:06:59 +0330
Mehdi Hassanpour <mehdi.public at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you please tell me which version of VMWare you are using that has good
> speed and you have tested that on Breezy...
> I need a testing area, Qemu is very slow and I cannot work with that and
> I've heared VMWare is not a free software and we should register that to
> use... do you know any free other free solution ?
> 
> Thanks Friends
> Mehdi
> 
> 
> On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 21:11 +0100, Max Andersen wrote:
> > > leon wrote:
> > > > Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
> > > > already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower
> > even
> > > > with accelerator.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Vmware (the version I use), is very fast. I run my XP in my vmware on
> > > ubuntu, and it's faster than my other XP in boot and operation.
> > >
> > > So, sayingt vmware is slow, must mean you have a very old version or
> > > outdated hardware for this purpose.
> >
> > Hmmm, I can only agree. I run VMware in Breezy with a 4 year old
> > motherboard, modest 1.5GHz CPU with 768 of RAM, and I was amazed to see
> > that Windows XP runs actually better as a guest than as a host on the
> > same machine, a technical wonder. However, strangely, runnning Dapper in
> > VMware is very sluggish to say the least. Good enough for the purpose
> > (testing it and reporting bugs), but I couldn't use it for production
> > work if I needed to.
> >
> > So if WinXP is fast as a host but slow in VMWare, I think it's probably
> > lack of RAM. I think 512MB is a minimum to be really comfortable a
> > modern Desktop like Gnome and big apps. But I am even happier now I
> > upgraded to 768. The more RAM the better :-)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vince
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> ==================================================
> Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> /* Of one Essence is the human race,
> Thusly has Creation put the Base;
> One Limb impacted is sufficient,
> For all Others to feel the Mace.
>                            ~Saadi (persian poet) -1258 */
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://ImPersian.com     |     http://Hezardastan.org
> ==================================================
> 
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From monotux at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 17:34:27 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:34:27 +0100
Subject: Ndiswrapper & default gateway on boot / un-hibernate
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References: <1134728666.12994.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051216183427.ba335dc1.monotux@gmail.com>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:24:26 +0100
frank <info at bolzo.it> wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've got two problem with ubuntu 5.10:
> 
> a) On boot i put my pcmcia wifi card before turn on the pc. Ndiswrapper
> seems to be load correctly but the default gateway isn't set to the
> correct interface (it's set to eth0 instead wlan0). How correct this,
> making the default gateway is set by the interface that is working
> (sometimes eth0, sometimes wlan0) ?

I assume you used System -> Administration -> Network to setup you network.
There is a drop down menu in that program where you select your default gateway.

Oscar
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 17:39:18 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:39:18 -0500
Subject: nForce4 and Ubuntu
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Message-ID: <ispmarin.2058sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hello everybody.

Here is a amd64 3200+ on a ASUS k8n - SLI with geforce 6200 and 1Gb
Samsumg Memory, and a SATA 7200 120GB. Almost everything works fine,
except 32 bit apps...


-- 
ispmarin



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 17:40:58 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:40:58 +0100
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <20051215085458.GA21082@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>
	<bbda83370512142329l753d435enf4e66245459d9419@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051215085458.GA21082@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512160940o726de719pd9e6a3c6ebc295e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/15/05, Seth Hasani <sepheebear at gmail.com> wrote:
> For example:
>     deb http://your.nearest.mirror/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe
>     deb http://your.nearest.mirror/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe
>
> Of course substitute "your.nearest.mirror" with your nearest mirror.

i have it:

   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main
restricted universe multiverse

but does not upgrade vlc!



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 16 18:02:56 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:02:56 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134756175.5657.30.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 07:42, Derek Broughton wrote:
> But Postfix is huge overkill.  If (*)ubuntu-desktop required
> <mail-transport-agent> (the minimum mailx would seem to need is esmtp) and
> recommended postfix, I'd be happy enough.  Removing mailx is not "dumbing
> down", it's crippling.  

I've never used ESMTP so I'll quote from the package description -

>ESMTP does not receive mail, expand aliases or manage a queue
>but can deliver mail locally via an MDA.

- from which it would appear that:

1) For offline systems ESMTP is inadequate without an MDA.  Postfix
   can "do it all".
2) Most users are going to want all the system accounts forwarded
   to "me at myisp.org".  Without aliases, it does not appear that
   ESMTP can accomplish this.
3) For dialup users who may be offline much or most of the time,
   ESMTP's lack of a queue would result in many lost messages.

Postfix is a reliable solution.  While not internally simple, it
is simple to install and very reliable.

Let us not start breaking new installations by targetting Ubuntu
at a mythical lowest common denominator.  Alternatively, if
Ubuntu chooses to follow Gnome down that path, let us please
have Kubuntu stick to the KDE high ground of functionality and
choice.

--Mike Bird




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 16 17:35:04 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:35:04 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<3f1760512160825q2af382fbl@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fab73-dsr.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Dick Davies wrote:

> On 16/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> 
>> But Postfix is huge overkill.
> 
> You'll need a sendmail binary at least, so why not postfix?

Because it's far more than is needed.  I use masqmail which meets all my
needs.  Postfix is easier to configure than Exim (I've used both) but still
too difficult for the average desktop user. Masqmail is dead simple.  The
average user is going to send external mail via their ISP's SMTP server, so
they don't need remote mailing capability, in which case they can use esmtp
for local mail.
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 18:11:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:11:41 -0500
Subject: Install on Compaq R4000
References: <e319d3e905082906466e3e6353@mail.gmail.com>
	<87br3ggzrd.fsf@mandala.my-fqdn.de>
	<zenlakin.1zs5hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<zenlakin.200dsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	ums.org> <zenlakin.2011va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.201ety@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.201rsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.2038km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<zenlakin.203fza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<azcrumpty.203q5z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Hopefully I can get my video working so I can actually have a gui to
look at soon.


-- 
zenlakin



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 18:15:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:15:57 -0500
Subject: Microphone problem
References: <pan.2005.10.10.23.48.39.481762@squeakydolphin.com>
	<pan.2005.10.11.03.32.02.514624@squeakydolphin.com>
	<PokerFacePenguin.1zzx4n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<pherseu.203zfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <N8K99.205ana@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Microphone works now, thanks, just have to get Skype to work somehow!


-- 
N8K99



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 18:23:58 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:23:58 +0100
Subject: PowerPC Live CD on eMac: weird colors in X!
Message-ID: <bbda83370512161023h77660132u6967cd610c291894@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

today I tried to launch X on my eMac.

I see afwul colors: green, purple, blue, white and black! None other!
In xorg.conf I specified a bitrate of 8 (16 and 24 works very
bad...)...

Any idea?

--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 16 18:34:19 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:34:19 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <9fab73-dsr.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<3f1760512160825q2af382fbl@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fab73-dsr.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134758058.5657.40.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:35, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Postfix is easier to configure than Exim (I've used both) but still
> too difficult for the average desktop user.

Have you tried installing postfix in Ubuntu?

Postfix can be tricky to configure for configurations that esmtp
and masqmail can't handle, but for simple cases such as "Local
Delivery Only" or "Satellite System" its just point and click.
The debconf help could maybe use a little improvement to further
explain the easy cases but that's no reason to break Ubuntu by
dumping Postfix.

--Mike Bird




From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 16 19:06:43 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:06:43 -0600
Subject: Switching Users
Message-ID: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>

12162005 1305 GMT-5

I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer. 
But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do 
you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?

Educate me.

wade



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 19:12:51 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:12:51 +0200
Subject: Microphone problem
In-Reply-To: <N8K99.205ana@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <pan.2005.10.10.23.48.39.481762@squeakydolphin.com>
	<pan.2005.10.11.03.32.02.514624@squeakydolphin.com>
	<PokerFacePenguin.1zzx4n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<pherseu.203zfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<N8K99.205ana@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134760371.11591.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:15 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Microphone works now, thanks, just have to get Skype to work somehow!
> 
What problems do you have with skype?




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 19:40:37 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:40:37 -0800
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <20051216123042.4244b5f2.rkimber@ntlworld.com>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com> <23meg.204h0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134720018.26309.375.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<doitashimashite.204tza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051216123042.4244b5f2.rkimber@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1134762037.26309.393.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 12:30 +0000, R Kimber wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:04:21 -0500
> 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Vram Wrote: 
> > > On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 02:29 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> > 
> > > > Type "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal.
> > 
> > 
> > > or  "dog /etc/issue"
> 
> > 
> > But don't forget to
> 
> > sudo ln -s /bin/cat /bin/dog
> > first.
> 
> Or you could even install dog.

Of course that is what I meant..

The other person did not realize that there  is a utility called


dog...


from the man page

DOG(1)                                                User Manuals
DOG(1)

NAME
       dog - better than cat






I love it...


When I do a fresh install first thing I do is

Install dog and mtools




Thanks


Vram







> -- 
> Richard Kimber
> http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
> 




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 19:42:17 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:42:17 -0800
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1134762138.26309.394.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:06 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12162005 1305 GMT-5
> 
> I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer. 
> But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do 
> you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
> 
> Educate me.
> 
> wade
> 


You need to log out so he can log in..


Every body had their own desktop....

System>logout


Vram






From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Fri Dec 16 19:40:32 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:40:32 +0000
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1134762032.8586.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:06 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12162005 1305 GMT-5
> 
> I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer. 
> But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do 
> you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?

Applications->System Tools->New Login might be what you are looking for.

Neil
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 19:53:38 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:53:38 -0800
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <1134762032.8586.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
	<1134762032.8586.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134762819.26309.400.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 19:40 +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:06 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> > 12162005 1305 GMT-5
> > 
> > I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer. 
> > But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do 
> > you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
> 
> Applications->System Tools->New Login might be what you are looking for.
> 
> Neil


I don't like that...

It stacks the logins.....


I think it is better to log out and let the new user log in...

Just my $0.02

Vram






From smartssa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 19:53:43 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:53:43 -0500
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512161153n13f6708bk608feee98e090221@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12162005 1305 GMT-5
>
> I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer.
> But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do
> you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
>
> Educate me.
>

Applications -> System Tools -> New Login

This will create a new session.

You can switch between the two without logging out.

CTRL-ALT-F7 (your first session)
CTRL-ALT-F8 (yoru second session)
- these keys are default behavour and might be different!

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 16 20:06:59 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:06:59 -0800
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512161153n13f6708bk608feee98e090221@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
	<37dd77890512161153n13f6708bk608feee98e090221@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134763620.26309.406.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 14:53 -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
> On 12/16/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> > 12162005 1305 GMT-5
> >
> > I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer.
> > But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do
> > you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
> >
> > Educate me.
> >
> 
> Applications -> System Tools -> New Login
> 
> This will create a new session.
> 
> You can switch between the two without logging out.
> 
> CTRL-ALT-F7 (your first session)
> CTRL-ALT-F8 (yoru second session)
> - these keys are default behavour and might be different!


Thanks

Didn't realize that..

Vram



> --
> ~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
> http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
> 




From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 16 20:16:44 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:16:44 -0600
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <1134762138.26309.394.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
	<1134762138.26309.394.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A320AC.2070709@wadesmart.com>

12162005 1415 GMT-5

That is what I was wanting to know.
 From my windows days, you can just log out and log into another account 
and when you log back into your first account, your stuff is still there 
where here it isnt. I just wasnt getting it.

Thanks.

Wade


Vram wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 13:06 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>12162005 1305 GMT-5
>>
>>I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer. 
>>But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do 
>>you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
>>
>>Educate me.
>>
>>wade
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>You need to log out so he can log in..
>
>
>Every body had their own desktop....
>
>System>logout
>
>
>Vram
>
>
>
>
>  
>



From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 16 20:18:07 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:18:07 -0600
Subject: Switching Users
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512161153n13f6708bk608feee98e090221@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A31043.8040408@wadesmart.com>
	<37dd77890512161153n13f6708bk608feee98e090221@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A320FF.2020808@wadesmart.com>

12162005 1417 GMT-5

That is what I was looking for! Thanks.

Wade

Darryl Clarke wrote:

>On 12/16/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>12162005 1305 GMT-5
>>
>>I just created an account for my son so he could work on my computer.
>>But I dont see something like log out this user, log in that user. Do
>>you have to enable that? Surely not with linux?
>>
>>Educate me.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Applications -> System Tools -> New Login
>
>This will create a new session.
>
>You can switch between the two without logging out.
>
>CTRL-ALT-F7 (your first session)
>CTRL-ALT-F8 (yoru second session)
>- these keys are default behavour and might be different!
>
>--
>~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
>http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com
>
>  
>



From coldrick at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 20:19:49 2005
From: coldrick at gmail.com (David Coldrick)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:19:49 +1100
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <43A1B4AD.9050904@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
	<1119626346.5094.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<43A1B4AD.9050904@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
Message-ID: <98529bf40512161219k6de623bal17af492b125ec5c4@mail.gmail.com>

My Rio Karma supports Ogg - unfortunately, I believe they've stopped selling
them.

Regards,
David
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 20:58:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:58:03 -0500
Subject: HP Colour Laserjet 2600n
References: <509d63b7050829235038bfdf3b@mail.gmail.com><ec39452e0508300527771f87f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b705083018194aa2bfc@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <lduperval.205i1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thanks. Those comments don't feel me with a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Looks like I need to find a printer that undestands good ol' PCL.

Thanks,

L


-- 
lduperval



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 16 21:12:03 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:12:03 +1300
Subject: USB mass storage device
In-Reply-To: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1134767523.32653.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 05:36 -0800, Camuzat Sebastien wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> They are recognized as is by nautilus, and disks
> manager, but the system cannot mount it. It says : the
> UID given is not a mountable volume, while Im sure I
> had access to it a few months ago.
> 
> My fstab line is very basic :
> /dev/sda       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults     

Try /dev/sda1 rather than /dev/sda


>  
> 0       0
> 
> ??
> 
> Sebastien.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 




From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Fri Dec 16 21:36:07 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:36:07 -0500
Subject: USB mass storage device
In-Reply-To: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43A33347.4030501@csee.wvu.edu>

Camuzat Sebastien wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>They are recognized as is by nautilus, and disks
>manager, but the system cannot mount it. It says : the
>UID given is not a mountable volume, while Im sure I
>had access to it a few months ago.
>
>My fstab line is very basic :
>/dev/sda       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults       
>0       0
>

In Ubuntu, if you don't put that line in /etc/fstab, then you plug your 
usb mass storage device in, it should automagically mount it on 
/media/sda1.  It should have permissions of the current logged in user, 
and everything should just work.  I would try that.



From pablo.fernandez at reliable.com.ar  Fri Dec 16 21:38:37 2005
From: pablo.fernandez at reliable.com.ar (=?utf-8?q?Jos=C3=A9_Pablo_Ezequiel_Fern=C3=A1ndez?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:38:37 -0300
Subject: kernel module packages with module-assistant
In-Reply-To: <200512131616.56122.pablo.fernandez@reliable.com.ar>
References: <200512131616.56122.pablo.fernandez@reliable.com.ar>
Message-ID: <200512161838.37900.pablo.fernandez@reliable.com.ar>

I've tried this on Debian and I got it installed correctly 
on /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 (Debian comes with linux 2.6.8).
Should this be considered a Ubuntu bug ?

On Tue 13 Dec 2005 16:16, José Pablo Ezequiel Fernández wrote:
> Hello,
> I have created a kernel module package with module-assistant
> (zaptel-module), my problem is that it ends on /lib/modules/2.6.12 instead
> of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/.
> Where's the problem and how can I fix it ?
> Thank you.

-- 
José Pablo Ezequiel Fernández



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 21:30:33 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:30:33 -0500
Subject: USB mass storage device
References: <20051216133631.80042.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1134767523.32653.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <thezerogroup.205jwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have a 20 GB LaCie USB HD, and Ububtu picks it up automagicly, and
adds a shortcut to my desktop


-- 
thezerogroup



From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:14:39 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:14:39 +0100
Subject: manual compilation and package management
Message-ID: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


I hope the following will make sense :) I'd like to compile KDE on my
Ubuntu system using Konstruct -- but what's important that at the end
it would be installed "by hand" as opposed to the regular installation
procedure, using packages.

Now what I'm thinking about is the following: package list is actually
a representation of what's installed on the system, which libraries
and all that stuff. Now if I "hand-install" KDE, it won't show up in
the package list.

What I'm wondering about if there's a way to build a "placeholder"
package of some kind, which would add the necessary information to the
package database, which could be read by other packages on install. (I
could imagine this "placeholder" to be containing information about
what files were installed and where.)

(An example: let's say I'm lazy and want to compile only KDE base, and
install some of the KDE toys from package instead of compiling them
all. Then the toys would not see the kdebase packages installed and
would complain about that.)

Maybe it's a stupid question, but I don't know much but the basics
about package management, and just thinking of a way of installing
"hand-compiled" stuff in a way that works together with packages.


imre



From feboll at gmx.de  Fri Dec 16 22:19:11 2005
From: feboll at gmx.de (felix bollenbeck)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:19:11 +0100
Subject: problems with automake
Message-ID: <1134771551.10882.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,
I´ve installed the latest automake via synaptic. However automake
complains during installation:

configure.in: 7: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not
`AC_CONFIG_HEADER

Whats the problem here?
Thanks,
Felix.




From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu  Fri Dec 16 22:22:23 2005
From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (crimsun at fungus.sh.nu)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:22:23 -0800
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512160940o726de719pd9e6a3c6ebc295e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051211185542.GA354@fungus.sh.nu>
	<bbda83370512142329l753d435enf4e66245459d9419@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051215085458.GA21082@RabbitNeT.org>
	<bbda83370512160940o726de719pd9e6a3c6ebc295e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051216222223.GA7442@fungus.sh.nu>

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 06:40:58PM +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> i have it:
> 
>    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main
> restricted universe multiverse
> 
> but does not upgrade vlc!

That's because the backport ftbfs[0] on i386:
http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.4-svn20051025-0ubuntu1~breezy1/

If I have some time, I'll look at it, but it's really up to the
backport guys to push the proper buttons...
-- 
Daniel T. Chen            crimsun at ubuntu.com
GPG key:   www.sh.nu/~crimsun/pubkey.gpg.asc
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From andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:24:15 2005
From: andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com (Andrew Jorgensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:24:15 -0700
Subject: Starting x11vnc as a service
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0512152237g5422b31dxda7f4abec84e6740@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0512152237g5422b31dxda7f4abec84e6740@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb2ac3c90512161424k3b48bb4id5dda5c1771fb379@mail.gmail.com>

System > Preferences > Sessions > Startup Programs > Add

On 12/15/05, Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How can I start  x11vnc with a few custom parameters when Ubuntu starts up?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Behi
>
> --
> "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh
> http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
> http://my.opera.com/behrangsa
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 22:33:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:33:17 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF
References: <41BB0A65.7010405@gmail.com><pan.2004.12.13.19.46.52.5190@wannes.cjb.net><427372c204121318352e4851ff@mail.gmail.com><paretooptimum.1l1qtn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><476484250502252252630c4f9@mail.gmail.com><1109401888.13461.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0502260040344d587b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alan.clements.205mom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Eamonn Sullivan Wrote: 
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:11:28 -0800, Karl 

> 

> I don't necessarily disagree, but how would you print to PDF in

> Windows? 

> The procedure would be even more complicated, and probably

> involving buying something. How would you improve it? Print directly

> to PDF from the browser?

> 

> 



Yes give $300 to Abobe and you can have a pseudo-printer, called
distiller, and all kinds of nifty tools to create PDF files. I've had
cups-pdf working under Gentoo but I can't get it to do anything under
ubuntu, either.  :mad:


-- 
alan.clements



From luca76 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:43:23 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:43:23 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Calendar: where is it?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512161443j16e16b7bxdaa324492fe6208e@mail.gmail.com>

I did an apt-get install ubuntu-calenadar, then went to Wallpaper
Preferences... i cannot find it in the combo box. Where is it?
--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From hubertus at hiden.org  Fri Dec 16 22:44:05 2005
From: hubertus at hiden.org (Hubertus Hiden)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:44:05 +0100
Subject: OT: google desktop on file server
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A34335.3000109@hiden.org>

Hi Charles !

Did you take a look at http://aduna.biz  ?

Hubertus

Charles Yao schrieb:

> Hi guys,
>
> Is it possible to use google desktop search on my file servers? The
> server is full of files but not properly organized, no matter what we
> do the files just keep piling up and its getting harder and harder to
> find them.
>
> Charles






From david at kenpro.com.au  Fri Dec 16 22:50:10 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:50:10 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051216225009.GA29043@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 11:42:01AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Mike Bird wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 06:29, Derek Broughton wrote:
> >> I pushed for not forcing Postfix onto the system, but that's
> >> because it's overkill for what Ubuntu promises.
> > 
> > I know Gnome's policy is to dumb down the system to the lowest
> > common denominator -
snip> 
> But Postfix is huge overkill.  If (*)ubuntu-desktop required
> <mail-transport-agent> (the minimum mailx would seem to need is esmtp) and
> recommended postfix, I'd be happy enough.  Removing mailx is not "dumbing
> down", it's crippling.  

I can't see why postfix is a problem. If you don't need it, it sits there 
doing not very much. If you do need it, it's essential. 

I could just as easily say that I don't need gaim because it's not a 
function *I* use, or OO for that matter.

David.



From pcockriell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:52:57 2005
From: pcockriell at gmail.com (Peter Cockriell)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:52:57 -0800
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
In-Reply-To: <d923543b0512150928l6868faa5y190dd4301a38e524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com>
	<d923543b0512150928l6868faa5y190dd4301a38e524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e9da8bb0512161452r51789ceagc2c798d09ab75f73@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions, all!  I think Bryann's hit the nail on the head
as I didnt change the password syncing option he pointed out.  Regretfully..
uncommenting that option and changing the password while in the root
maintenance shell hasnt fixed the issue.  When I try to login it's actually
giving me an "Authentication failed" message after I submit my username.  So
I think my next stop will be the pam.d/common-auth file.  I've got so little
configured at this point it'd probably be faster to scrub the whole thing
and reinstall, but I wouldnt learn nearly as much that way.

Thanks again for all your responses.  I'll let you know how it goes.

Cheers,

Pete.

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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:57:37 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:57:37 +0000
Subject: How to edit PDF?
References: <bbda83370511250108w4a8e4edcob903d343854a9f71@mail.gmail.com>
	<43873AC5.4090506@manchester.ac.uk>
	<bcrowell.1z2zxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200511271430.57625.h.eismark@privat.dk>
	<4389B9B3.4090909@verizon.net> <dmchus$8vr$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4389DC3A.2030302@verizon.net>
	<20051128221053.GH22378@riva.ucam.org>
	<dn1u53-tst.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<438D5AE7.3050005@manchester.ac.uk>
	<anil_robo.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86k6e48xb2.fsf@gmail.com>

GhostScript is installed by default. How to configure evince or other
gnome apps to use it?

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | 1. 'XPDF' (http://tucows.com/preview/10278)
 | 2. 'AurigaDoc' (http://tucows.com/preview/300453)
 | 3. 'GhostScript' (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ghostscript/)
 | 
 | 
 | -- 
 | anil_robo
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 23:05:51 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:05:51 +0000
Subject: print to pdf?
References: <861x0ex8el.fsf@gmail.com> <200512160109.01713.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <86bqzg8wxc.fsf@gmail.com>

I do use ps2pdf but sometimes the converted pdf file has some fonts
missing and can't be displayed properly.

Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> writes:

 | On Friday 16 December 2005 00:11, leon wrote:
 | > Hi guys,
 | >
 | > I just noticed that breezy can't print to pdf file though print to ps is
 | > possible. The problem is I need to send files to friends who don't know
 | > much about ps. I don't want everyone of them to install a ps viewer.
 | 
 | I suggest to use the command line utility ps2pdf for converting the Postscript 
 | file to PDF. If you don't have ps2pdf: sudo apt-get install gs-common
 | 
 | Regards,
 | Tobi
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 23:00:13 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:00:13 +0000
Subject: Print to PDF
References: <41BB0A65.7010405@gmail.com>
	<pan.2004.12.13.19.46.52.5190@wannes.cjb.net>
	<427372c204121318352e4851ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<paretooptimum.1l1qtn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<476484250502252252630c4f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1109401888.13461.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0502260040344d587b@mail.gmail.com>
	<alan.clements.205mom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86fyos8x6q.fsf@gmail.com>

I remember kde can print to pdf without a glitch 2 years ago. There must
be something missing.

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | Eamonn Sullivan Wrote: 
 | > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:11:28 -0800, Karl 
 | 
 | > 
 | 
 | > I don't necessarily disagree, but how would you print to PDF in
 | 
 | > Windows? 
 | 
 | > The procedure would be even more complicated, and probably
 | 
 | > involving buying something. How would you improve it? Print directly
 | 
 | > to PDF from the browser?
 | 
 | > 
 | 
 | > 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | Yes give $300 to Abobe and you can have a pseudo-printer, called
 | distiller, and all kinds of nifty tools to create PDF files. I've had
 | cups-pdf working under Gentoo but I can't get it to do anything under
 | ubuntu, either.  :mad:
 | 
 | 
 | -- 
 | alan.clements
 | 

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From bassix at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 23:27:47 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:27:47 -0500
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've installed Dapper in VMware, but when trying to install VMware
Tools, it states that I am missing a C Compiler. There are many things
in Synaptic... what should I install to fix this?

Thanks!

-Steve.



From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Fri Dec 16 23:44:35 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:44:35 +0100
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A35163.5020902@kaiser-linux.li>

Steve wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Dapper in VMware, but when trying to install VMware
> Tools, it states that I am missing a C Compiler. There are many things
> in Synaptic... what should I install to fix this?
build-essential should give you all you need for compile.

Regards, Thomas


-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 23:52:10 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:52:10 +0200
Subject: Associating file types with a wine'd app
Message-ID: <1134777130.15014.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have installed irfanview with wine and it works perfectly. I want to
associate jpg files with it but file associations with wine'd apps don't
seem to work.

Any help?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 16 23:53:24 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:53:24 -0500
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
References: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <matthew.205qdy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


build-essential is the package you need...it will make sure the compiler
and everything related is installed.


-- 
matthew



From david at kenpro.com.au  Sat Dec 17 00:45:27 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:45:27 +1100
Subject: Silly question of the week...
In-Reply-To: <alamba.204hxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A26885.6070808@gmail.com>
	<1134717649.8167.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<alamba.204hxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051217004527.GB29043@mail.kenpro.com.au>

> 
> uhhhh...just look at the screen during boot up...first screen that comes
> up will have it!!
> 

<SILLY ANSWER> 
oh no! I get upset if i have to reboot.. .i think i'm 
running windows..... reboots are for hardware upgrades and power 
outages... there is nothing nicer than telling your win using friends that 
you have:

* NO virii
* 300 days uptime (since you installed the latest widget card)
</SILLY ANSWER>



From theine at nordita.dk  Sat Dec 17 00:50:08 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:50:08 +0100
Subject: manual compilation and package management
In-Reply-To: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512170150.09024.theine@nordita.dk>

> I hope the following will make sense :) I'd like to compile KDE on my
> Ubuntu system using Konstruct -- but what's important that at the end
> it would be installed "by hand" as opposed to the regular installation
> procedure, using packages.

What's actually your reason for compiling KDE from source using Konstruct? If 
you just want to apply a small patch against the Kubuntu source of a certain 
KDE component, "apt-get source <kde-component>" plus dpkg-buildpackage and 
friends might be what you're looking for.

Regards,
Tobi



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 17 02:34:07 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:34:07 +1100
Subject: USB mass storage device
Message-ID: <43A3791F.7030204@optusnet.com.au>

Try reformatting te device, there may be some errors on it. 
Alternatively, try accessing it in windows, it may be a bug in the kernel.



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Sat Dec 17 02:42:19 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:19 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu and featherlinux syslinux failure
Message-ID: <20051216204219.6530dc45@localhost.localdomain>

I'm trying to put featherlinux on my 1gig USB key.  I've DLed and
unzipped the zip to my key, loaded Ubuntu's syslinux 2.11-0.1ubuntu4
and run 
<sudo syslinux /dev/sda1>
which fails with:

sh: mcopy: command not found
syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys

Searching with Synaptic reveals no mcopy, I suppose it's supposed to be
included in syslinux?  At this point I'm stumped.  Should I remove
syslinux and install from source?  An other source than Ubuntu's?
Must I first delete all my other files on the USB key, format and
re-install?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From yaocharlesc at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 02:48:12 2005
From: yaocharlesc at gmail.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:48:12 +0800
Subject: OT: google desktop on file server
In-Reply-To: <43A34335.3000109@hiden.org>
References: <509d63b70512151925v61d78048i9a447071dcb48958@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A34335.3000109@hiden.org>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512161848m7736b2d1qd0e9ccfb553e3966@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hubertus,

Thanks, ill go check it out.

Charles

On 12/17/05, Hubertus Hiden <hubertus at hiden.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Charles !
>
> Did you take a look at http://aduna.biz  ?
>
> Hubertus
>
> Charles Yao schrieb:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Is it possible to use google desktop search on my file servers? The
> > server is full of files but not properly organized, no matter what we
> > do the files just keep piling up and its getting harder and harder to
> > find them.
> >
> > Charles
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ganesanrajesh at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 03:08:30 2005
From: ganesanrajesh at gmail.com (G Rajesh)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:38:30 +0530
Subject: name resolving error
In-Reply-To: <1134708688.26309.363.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134703189.8034.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134708688.26309.363.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A3812E.8050509@gmail.com>

Thank you all.
After removing double slash "//" things work. vram, I use network switch.
Regards,
Rajesh



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Sat Dec 17 03:58:54 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:58:54 -0700
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc
	errors??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512142249110.2781@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>	<43A08BED.7030103@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512142249110.2781@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A38CFE.7010800@angrykeyboarder.com>

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> It would appear that on Dec 14, Scott did say:
> 
>> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
>> > I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now it's cc errors??
>> 
>> I only compile from source when there is no other alternative.
>> 
>> My curiosity drove me crazy so I checked and in this case there is an
>> alternative.
>> 
>> $ wget ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine_4.64_i386.deb
>> $ sudo dpkg -i pine_4.64_i386.deb
>> 
>> Badda-Bing! Badda-Boom!
>> 
> 
> Yeah, but like I said about that self same .deb in a previous thread 
> 
>> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/linux.html
>> >
>> > says (in part):
>> >
>> > - -> Debian .deb package built on Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
>> > - -> pine_4.64_i386.deb package    MD5: 4cdc6c60dbe8e47829189194b8cbd99a
> 
> And which quickly got this in a reply...
>  
>>Generally, attempts to cross-hybridize Debian and Ubuntu carry a caveat!---  be
>>vewy cawefuw!
>> 
>>Could give it a shot just to see what happens OR whip over to here:
>>http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingUbuntuTOC
>>and look for the line that says  "Compiling the Current version of Pine"
>>
>>Might work OK if you compile from a tar file.
> 
> Which is why I decided that building pine was something I needed to be
> able to do...

In many cases this is true, installing a package in Ubuntu that's 
compiled for Debian can lead to problems and should be avoided.  But 
there's not all that much to Pine to begin with, so I took my chances.

I didn't just install it, I actually used it.  It seemed to work fine. 
Although Pine isn't my cup-o-tea to begin with.

No matter, it seems you've found success in compiling from source.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 03:45:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:45:59 -0500
Subject: "Add Applications" Missing
References: <43A1646F.9030209@tradingpost.com.au>
	<1134639167.4796.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <MButterman.2061hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have recently tried previous fix for this and found the following:

Use synaptic to search for 2 packages, gnome-app-install and gksudo. In
my case gksudo was installed, however gnome-app-install wasn't. I
selected the missing package and installed it through Synaptic. Once
installed I checked the Applications menu and found the Add
Applications entry. If this doesn't work, use SMEG to create the entry
outlined in the previous posts

Good Luck,
MButterman


-- 
MButterman



From cb at lim.nl  Sat Dec 17 04:47:42 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:47:42 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced
	Windowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>

I have determined that the problem arises when other programs are
using/have used the sound interface. After rebooting earlier today,
Gizmo worked fine until I had launched other programs which use sound.

For example, if realplay is running or even just open, the
above-mentioned 'Failed to execute child process "audiowrapper"' error
occurs. However, I have now exited realplay and am staring at the
output of ps -e looking for any other program which may be hogging
sound in the current session without luck -- I have also tried "lsof
grep /dev/dsp" without determining the culprit. Any other suggestions
on how to determine which programs are using sound would be most
welcome.

It seems that some Linux programs are better are sharing the sound
interface than others...

From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Sat Dec 17 04:52:27 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:52:27 -0500
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512160057j7a9ea43eo6ba627b1ff51a0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>	<1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>	<1134721428.8131.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512160057j7a9ea43eo6ba627b1ff51a0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A3998B.5040406@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

Senectus . wrote:

>On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 16:11 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On 12/16/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>But this time as I explained, it seems to really be related to the Gnome
>>>>panel and it chocking on my existing user directory (it works fine with
>>>>a "fresh" user).
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Same here.. If I create a new user, that guy logs in without a
>>>problem.. log in as me, I'm locked up till I kill esd..
>>>
>>>weird huh..
>>>      
>>>
>>Hmmm, interesting, thanks for insisting on this... I would have thought
>>that sound related stuff was low level enough to be common to all users,
>>my mistake then :-/
>>
>>    
>>
>just to be complete with information:
>http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102359 <==where it started
>http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102970 <==Where I'm at now :-/
>
>--
>Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
> I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
>your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
>warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
>liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
>arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
>Groklaw
>www.modmeup.net
>
>  
>
I was having this issue a while back... I used dpkg with the purge 
opiton, cleaned out my home directory of the gnome-panel info, and 
reinstalled gnome-panel.  It seemed to work for me.

Mike K.



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 04:53:25 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:53:25 -0800
Subject: IRC LoCoBot
In-Reply-To: <43A1797F.6090303@gmail.com>
References: <43A1797F.6090303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512162053m5e6af094gefbddd6c911cf90@mail.gmail.com>

>    Also does the Ubuntu group make these conversation available online.

Depending on which Ubuntu IRC channel, the logs go to either of these servers:

 http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
 http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/




--
Daniel Robitaille



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 17 05:02:32 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:02:32 +0100
Subject: Gnome-panel : how to restore default state ?
In-Reply-To: <43A3998B.5040406@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
References: <1134713905.8167.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512152257q53a2fe0ta1812a6e29d9a1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134718452.8131.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512160011p21ffe39fl3616479b18f1d0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134721428.8131.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c90512160057j7a9ea43eo6ba627b1ff51a0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A3998B.5040406@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <1134795752.5259.1.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 23:52 -0500, MrKnisely wrote:
> I was having this issue a while back... I used dpkg with the purge 
> opiton, cleaned out my home directory of the gnome-panel info, and 
> reinstalled gnome-panel.  It seemed to work for me.


Stupid me, I forgot about the --purge option, thanks for the
reminder ! :-)


--
Vince




From mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org  Sat Dec 17 05:09:03 2005
From: mrknisely at mrknisely.is-a-geek.org (MrKnisely)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:09:03 -0500
Subject: dns configuration help desperately needed
In-Reply-To: <43A0C384.7090803@grm.net>
References: <43A0C384.7090803@grm.net>
Message-ID: <43A39D6F.8070100@mrknisely.is-a-geek.org>

Wow, quite a diagram.  There are a few things I don't get.

First off, at what point does your network devide into 192.168.123.x and 
192.168.2.x ?  Is the Gigafast doing NAT for both network?

Also, can the .2 network talk to the .123 network without going through 
a firewall/nat situation?  If yes, the issue is simple.

You'll just set Eve up with your DNS zones and hosts.  Then have Eve 
forward out to the Preferred and Alternate provided by the ISP.  I like 
to run two DNS servers in my networks though... So I'd also run it on 
adam and just mirror your zones.  That way, if one goes away, you can 
always cound on the other to serve your network.

If the two networks can not talk directly, then we'll need to dig into 
some port forwarding or dns proxy via your firewall/nat device.  It 
shouldn't be to bad to set up.

As for DNS config, vim is my tool of choice.  I used webmin when I was 
first learning and though it did a great job with bind.  If bind is your 
DNS server of choice, check the man pages for examples, it is very well 
documented.

Hope this is helpful.

Mike K.

cogyfarm wrote:

> Hello, I'm still learning this and I'm a bit confused about how to 
> configure my DNS.  I have taken the time to create a network diagram 
> as best as I know how to help explain how things are wired.  Any and 
> all help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Troy
> Network diagram
>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 05:17:00 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:17:00 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <andlinux21.20657b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have a old gateway laptop and installed breezy on it haven't looked
back to windows since.  I can't switch my desktop over just yet I have
to backup a lot of data.


-- 
andlinux21



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Sat Dec 17 07:27:26 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:27:26 +1300
Subject: Ubuntu and featherlinux syslinux failure
In-Reply-To: <20051216204219.6530dc45@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051216204219.6530dc45@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134804446.32653.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 20:42 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> I'm trying to put featherlinux on my 1gig USB key.  I've DLed and
> unzipped the zip to my key, loaded Ubuntu's syslinux 2.11-0.1ubuntu4
> and run 
> <sudo syslinux /dev/sda1>
> which fails with:
> 
> sh: mcopy: command not found
> syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys
> 
> Searching with Synaptic reveals no mcopy, I suppose it's supposed to be
> included in syslinux? 
mcopy is in mtools, which appears in the "Recommends" section for
syslunux:
$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/mcopy
mtools: /usr/bin/mcopy

If syslinux needs mcopy, then it should have mtools as a "depends"
entry,  rather than a "Recommends" entry.
]
>  At this point I'm stumped.  Should I remove
> syslinux and install from source?  An other source than Ubuntu's?
> Must I first delete all my other files on the USB key, format and
> re-install?
> 

Just put your ubuntu CD into the drive, then do
  sudo apt-get install mtools

(Note that mtools may not be included on your CD, and that means that it
will be downloaded from your preferred archive).


Tim




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 07:59:29 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:59:29 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced
	Windowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>

> I have determined that the problem arises when other programs are
> using/have used the sound interface. After rebooting earlier today,
> Gizmo worked fine until I had launched other programs which use sound.
>
> For example, if realplay is running or even just open, the
> above-mentioned 'Failed to execute child process "audiowrapper"' error
> occurs. However, I have now exited realplay and am staring at the
> output of ps -e looking for any other program which may be hogging
> sound in the current session without luck -- I have also tried "lsof
> grep /dev/dsp" without determining the culprit. Any other suggestions
> on how to determine which programs are using sound would be most
> welcome.

I had the same problem.  You can try to kill the esd process (ps -ef ,
then kill the process id)  then restart esd (I used system -->
preferences --> Multimedia System Selecter and then tested my sound). 
That did the trick for me with gizmo.

> It seems that some Linux programs are better are sharing the sound
> interface than others...

yes.  Generally the ones available inside Ubuntu repositories are a
lot better than 3rd- party applications (Gizmo, Skype, Realplayer,
etc).


--
Daniel Robitaille



From hzs202 at nyu.edu  Sat Dec 17 08:25:17 2005
From: hzs202 at nyu.edu (Hakim Singhji)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:25:17 -0500
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
Message-ID: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi All,

OK, I downloaded gaim-rhythmbox from source-forge. However, I am having
a problem installing it. When I execute ./configure the stderror gives
me a message indicated below. In addition no make file is created. I am
stuck... I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me
trouble-shoot the data below:

Best,

- --------------------------
[hzs202 at earth:/tmp/gaim-rhythmbox-1.5.0.1]> ls -l
total 1562
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202 262620 2005-09-12 15:09 aclocal.m4
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202    110 2004-09-07 16:21 AUTHORS
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202   1204 2005-09-12 15:07 ChangeLog
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202  44832 2005-09-11 19:54 config.guess
- -rw-r--r--  1 root   root    30720 2005-12-16 22:11 config.log
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202  31955 2005-09-11 19:54 config.sub
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202 714866 2005-09-12 15:10 configure
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202   1180 2005-12-16 22:05 configure.ac
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202  18007 2004-07-23 14:47 COPYING
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202  15112 2004-10-02 14:23 depcomp
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202   7831 2004-07-23 14:47 INSTALL
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202   9505 2004-10-02 14:23 install-sh
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   211206 2005-12-16 22:11 libtool
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202 191491 2005-09-11 23:35 ltmain.sh
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202     14 2004-07-25 22:49 Makefile.am
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202  18778 2005-09-12 15:10 Makefile.in
- -rwxr-xr-x  1 hzs202 hzs202  10678 2004-10-02 14:23 missing
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202   1204 2005-09-12 15:06 NEWS
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202    696 2005-09-12 15:03 README
drwxr-xr-x  2 hzs202 hzs202   1024 2005-12-16 22:15 src
- -rw-r--r--  1 hzs202 hzs202    132 2004-09-07 16:21 TODO
- ---------------------------
[hzs202 at earth:/tmp/gaim-rhythmbox-1.5.0.1]> sudo ./configure
...
checking for gaim... configure: error: Package requirements (gaim >=
0.79) were not met.
Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively you may set the gaim_CFLAGS and gaim_LIBS environment
variables
to avoid the need to call pkg-config.  See the pkg-config man page for
more details.
- ---------------------------
[hzs202 at earth:/tmp/gaim-rhythmbox-1.5.0.1]> which gaim
/usr/bin/gaim
- ---------------------------

- --
Hakim Singhji | New York University
http://www.uranus.dontexist.com

Beware of a tall blond man with one black shoe.
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From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Sat Dec 17 08:37:21 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:37:21 +0200
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <98529bf40512161219k6de623bal17af492b125ec5c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>	<1119626346.5094.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<Robocoastie.1zwcfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<43A1B4AD.9050904@lithgow-schmidt.dk>
	<98529bf40512161219k6de623bal17af492b125ec5c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A3CE41.5000803@geograph.co.za>

David Coldrick wrote:
> 
> My Rio Karma supports Ogg - unfortunately, I believe they've stopped 
> selling them.
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

Then click on the FreeFormats link near the top: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats

Then under the Audi paragraph click on VorbisHardware: 
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisHardware

Then you will find two links under consumer players.


I've done this reply pedantically as the intermediate links I mentioned 
are worth a read.

Cheers & good luck,
Zoltan



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From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 08:40:52 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:40:52 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced
	Windowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512170040l7ec8b630yea46187b250fe861@mail.gmail.com>

> I had the same problem.  You can try to kill the esd process (ps -ef ,
> then kill the process id)  then restart esd (I used system -->
> preferences --> Multimedia System Selecter and then tested my sound).
> That did the trick for me with gizmo.

the other thing I just noticed is that when gizmo doesn't work from
the menu and gives that error about the audiowrapper, if you try to
run it from a terminal  it seems to work.




--
Daniel Robitaille



From T.Six at gmx.de  Sat Dec 17 08:42:31 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:42:31 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Calendar: where is it?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512161443j16e16b7bxdaa324492fe6208e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512161443j16e16b7bxdaa324492fe6208e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <do0j1n$9bm$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luca Manganelli schrieb am 16.12.2005 23:43:
> I did an apt-get install ubuntu-calenadar, then went to Wallpaper
> Preferences... i cannot find it in the combo box. Where is it?


/usr/share/backgrounds/

bye Thilo




From stockertandras at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 09:05:31 2005
From: stockertandras at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=F6ckert_Andr=E1s?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:05:31 +0100
Subject: Associating file types with a wine'd app
In-Reply-To: <1134777130.15014.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134777130.15014.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134810331.9002.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

2005. 12. 17, szombat keltezéssel 01.52-kor Giorgos ezt írta:
> I have installed irfanview with wine and it works perfectly. I want to
> associate jpg files with it but file associations with wine'd apps don't
> seem to work.
> 
> Any help?
> 
> 
Hi

You can probe to write a simple shell script, and associate that to the
jpg files.
An example:
#!/bin/sh
wine /te/phat/to/irfanview.exe &1

PS.: Sorry for my bad english.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 09:15:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:15:54 -0500
Subject: UK Theaurus in OpenOffice not Available
References: <42DC199A.3000803@fletcher.ca> <ilbahr.1sp0bb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<kayas80.1x2hrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <sunny_nwho.206gba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Dear Kayas http://tinyurl.com/agaj6 check this out this might help


-- 
sunny_nwho



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 17 10:41:44 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:41:44 +1100
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
In-Reply-To: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051217214144.bacc3ca9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:25:17 -0500
Hakim Singhji <hzs202 at nyu.edu> wrote:

[big snips]

> checking for gaim... configure: error: Package requirements (gaim >=
> 0.79) were not met.

peter at prospero:~ $ apt-cache search gaim | grep dev
gaim-dev - multi-protocol instant messaging client - development files

I would guess you need to install gaim-dev.

Almost always, these errors in ./configure mean you are missing a *dev*
package.

By the way, sudo is not required for  ./configure, or "make" - only for
"make install". Another hint - install the "checkinstall" utility, and run
"sudo checkinstall" instead of "make install" - this utility will make
a.deb package for you so that the packageing system will know what you
have installed, and you can easily uninstall it using apt.

Peter

-- Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple
small epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Sat Dec 17 10:48:20 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:48:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu 
 ReplacedWindowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> I have determined that the problem arises when other programs are
> using/have used the sound interface. After rebooting earlier today,
> Gizmo worked fine until I had launched other programs which use sound.
>
> For example, if realplay is running or even just open, the
> above-mentioned 'Failed to execute child process "audiowrapper"' error
> occurs. However, I have now exited realplay and am staring at the
> output of ps -e looking for any other program which may be hogging
> sound in the current session without luck -- I have also tried "lsof
> grep /dev/dsp" without determining the culprit. Any other suggestions
> on how to determine which programs are using sound would be most
> welcome.
Yes - sorry that I forgot this. Only one sound process is default allowed
to be running at the same time. There are somewhere a howto I remember -at
least when Ubuntu was Hoary - that tell you how to make use of more than
one sound at the sound. Maybe at ubuntuforums.org. Otherwise you have to
google.

> It seems that some Linux programs are better are sharing the sound
> interface than others...
The upper howto solves this problem.

Phillip



From moga at mx.homelinux.org  Sat Dec 17 11:40:51 2005
From: moga at mx.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:40:51 +0100
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A3F943.7030109@mx.homelinux.org>

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R.L.Reingard schrieb:
> 
> hello,
> i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own 
> machine.
> does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best
> would  be in german.
> AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there 
> will be more than one question to reach that goal.
> thank you,
> best regards
> René
> 

If you live in Germany you can request a fix IP from T-Com
They supply DSL with fix IP's since september

with dyn IP it is very difficult and costs a lot of money
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Sat Dec 17 11:54:25 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:54:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu 
 ReplacedWindowson Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

....
>> It seems that some Linux programs are better are sharing the sound
>> interface than others...
>
> yes.  Generally the ones available inside Ubuntu repositories are a
> lot better than 3rd- party applications (Gizmo, Skype, Realplayer,
> etc).
Have you found the Gizmo-project in any repository? If so which repository
can I add from Ubuntu?

regards

Phillip



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Sat Dec 17 12:05:36 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:05:36 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu and featherlinux syslinux failure
In-Reply-To: <1134804446.32653.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051216204219.6530dc45@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134804446.32653.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051217060536.48e1d9a5@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:27:26 +1300
Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 20:42 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > I'm trying to put featherlinux on my 1gig USB key.  I've DLed and
> > unzipped the zip to my key, loaded Ubuntu's syslinux 2.11-0.1ubuntu4
> > and run 
> > <sudo syslinux /dev/sda1>
> > which fails with:
> > 
> > sh: mcopy: command not found
> > syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys
> > 
> > Searching with Synaptic reveals no mcopy, I suppose it's supposed
> > to be
> > included in syslinux? 
> mcopy is in mtools, which appears in the "Recommends" section for
> syslunux:

Thanks, Tim.  I got mtools and it worked a treat.  Now to find if the
USB key is truly bootable...

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 12:28:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:28:07 -0500
Subject: gizmo project
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com><200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au><20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<200512020756.35305.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <bdmp.206pkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Can someone who has gotten gizmo to work explain the steps that it 
takes to install it simply?  Thanks.


-- 
bdmp



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 12:55:37 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:55:37 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Calendar: where is it?
In-Reply-To: <do0j1n$9bm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bbda83370512161443j16e16b7bxdaa324492fe6208e@mail.gmail.com>
	<do0j1n$9bm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051217125537.GA24024@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Thilo Six" on Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:42:31AM EST>

> Luca Manganelli schrieb am 16.12.2005 23:43:
> > I did an apt-get install ubuntu-calenadar, then went to Wallpaper
> > Preferences... i cannot find it in the combo box. Where is it?

I thought I was the only one that missed this after breezy. The short
answer. They're here:

> /usr/share/backgrounds/

The really, *really* unnecessarily long answer:

The pictures themselves are located in the same place
/usr/share/backgrounds, however the xml metadata files that tell
gnome-background-properties about these pictures, have changed places since
hoary. 

They were located under /usr/share/gnome-wallpaper-properties/... they now
should be put in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/... Since the
packages are so old, its unlikely they will ever be updated for such a minor
thing.

I noticed this after a clean install of breezy when I noticed I couldnt find
the cool brown nudie-pics... uh, I mean artistic backgrounds.

The following is COMPLETE OVERKILL, kinda like using a sledgehammer to crack
a peanut, but nonetheless I used this as an opportunity to learn a cool
utility, dpkg-divert, allowing me to move files in a way so that dpkg would
still track where they are.

[[ looong one-line command ]]

dpkg-divert --divert
/usr/share/gnome-background-properties/ubuntu-calendar-march.xml --rename
/usr/share/gnome-wallpaper-properties/ubuntu-calendar-march.xml


[[ or small shell script, editable and nifty for other stuff ]]

#!/bin/bash
OLDBGDIR=/usr/share/gnome-wallpaper-properties
NEWBGDIR=/usr/share/gnome-background-properties

for file in `ls $OLDBGDIR`; do
    sudo dpkg-divert --divert $NEWBGDIR/$file --rename $OLDBGDIR/$file;
done


Check that the changes were made successfully by using "dpkg-divert --list"

Seth



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 13:00:54 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:00:54 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
In-Reply-To: <43A3F943.7030109@mx.homelinux.org>
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A3F943.7030109@mx.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512170500u3ed37637u5b72454e593c7d3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Christian Eichert <moga at mx.homelinux.org> wrote:
> R.L.Reingard schrieb:
> >
> > hello,
> > i got an own domain name and would like to host the website on my own
> > machine.
> > does anyone know a nice link with an easy understandable HOWTO? best
> > would  be in german.
> > AND is anybody willing to assist me - by mail dialog - as i guess there
> > will be more than one question to reach that goal.
> > thank you,
> > best regards
> > René
> >
>
> If you live in Germany you can request a fix IP from T-Com
> They supply DSL with fix IP's since september
>
> with dyn IP it is very difficult and costs a lot of money

Hello René,

I used DynDNS for nearly a year to point my domain name to my server.
It's free and quite reliable:

<http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/>

I had to do three things:
1. Open a DynDNS account and register a free xyz.abc.def domain. They
have a lot of domains for you to choose from
(<http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/domains.html>).

2. Point my domain name (e.g. www.rene.de) to my DynDNS domain name
(e.g. www.rene.de points to www.rene.dyndns.org). Your "registrar" may
do this for you, but, if they do not, there are free ways of doing
this (e.g. http://www.zoneedit.com/).

3. You then need to tell DynDNS what your current IP address is and
keep DynDNS updated whenever your IP address changes. My router
(NetGear 614MR) could do this. I configured my router to update my
DynDNS account with my current IP address whenever it changed. LinkSys
and DLink should be able to do this as well.

3. Alternate #3: you can install software on your server which will
keep DynDNS updated. See
<http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip> for really simple
instructions. Note: these instructions are for Ubuntu 5.04. The
PROBABLY work for 5.10 but there's a chance they will not.

Good luck, Eric.



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 13:05:39 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:05:39 -0500
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
In-Reply-To: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051217130539.GB24024@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Hakim Singhji" on Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:25:17AM EST>

> Hi All,
> 
> OK, I downloaded gaim-rhythmbox from source-forge. However, I am having
> a problem installing it. When I execute ./configure the stderror gives
> me a message indicated below. In addition no make file is created. I am
> stuck... I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me
> trouble-shoot the data below:
> 
> checking for gaim... configure: error: Package requirements (gaim >=
> 0.79) were not met.
> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> installed software in a non-standard prefix.

The configure script needs to gather all the cool gaim header files for make
to compile your app. Particularly it's checking for the file
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gaim.pc. Install them with the command:

    sudo apt-get install gaim-dev

Seth



From michael at weblore.com  Sat Dec 17 14:17:56 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:17:56 -0600
Subject: Samba problem
Message-ID: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>

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I'm running Samba on Ubuntu linux. I'm trying set it up so that my
Windows laptop can use my home directory on the linux box. I've
configured the home directory as follows

[home]
case sensitive = no
msdfs proxy = no
read only = no
username = michael
comment = My home directory
path = /home/michael

When I try to write to the file on my Windows box, however, it shows the
directory to be read-only. What am I missing?

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From feboll at gmx.de  Sat Dec 17 14:50:10 2005
From: feboll at gmx.de (Felix Bollenbeck)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:50:10 +0100
Subject: Samba problem
In-Reply-To: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
References: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <43A425A2.4040501@gmx.de>

-unsubscribe



From duncangareth at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec 16 15:23:47 2005
From: duncangareth at yahoo.co.uk (Duncan Anderson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:23:47 +0200
Subject: Howto reset a Gnome user profile??
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512110151o1ab974b1y1ecb071e91104b40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512100730x6cc4a42fp8cf9e8148dab0248@mail.gmail.com>	<20051211081503.GB21500@RabbitNeT.org>	<d12e5c90512110027r494fb620w98e1b97410e3471@mail.gmail.com>	<20051211090501.GD21500@RabbitNeT.org>
	<d12e5c90512110151o1ab974b1y1ecb071e91104b40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A2DC03.705@yahoo.co.uk>

Senectus . wrote:

>On 12/11/05, Seth Hasani <sepheebear at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>><quote who="Senectus ." on Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:27:54AM EST>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>I usually just drop to a shell then do:
>>>>
>>>>    mkdir oldconfig mv .g* oldconfig/ rm .esd_auth rm .ICEauthority rm
>>>>    .Xauthority
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I followed these instructions, and it had no effect, exactly the same
>>>result :-/ I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier or not, but to run a
>>>little test I created a new user, and logged in as that user, the gnome
>>>session started perfectly.  it _has_ to be something with my profile :-/
>>>      
>>>
>>Yipes! Sounds like you've been having some fun with gnome. When it gets that
>>interesting for me, I just move everything from home to ~/oldconfig/ except
>>~/.bashrc, then login and gnome creates everything anew again. I then
>>proceed to move a few things back at a time starting with things that I
>>absolutely know wont effect gnome (like .fetchmailrc). But anything gnome or
>>nautilus related is scrutinized heavily before being readded and nothing
>>.gconf related ever gets back in. The great thing is that everything is
>>under your $HOME folder so it's relatively more simple to track down the
>>problem.
>>    
>>
>
>Well I've even created a new home dir given it the correct permissions
>then rm -rf everything in my /tmp dir and it _still_ does the same
>thing..
>
>0.o I think I'm looking at a rebuild :-(
>  
>
No! Don't do that! Why don't you just delete everything in your home 
directory(apart from your data and maybe .bashrc of course), then 
delete   everything in /tmp and /usr/tmp and then reboot and try to login.

No harm can come to your system if you reboot after nuking the contents 
of temporary directories.

Good luck.

Duncan


		
___________________________________________________________ 
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snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 15:14:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: Flight CD 2
References: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org> <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ameerirshad.206wza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The gfxboot loader, does it only work on the liveCD? Coz I can't find it
in my synaptic after installing Dapper over my Breezy!


-- 
ameerirshad



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sat Dec 17 15:39:40 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:39:40 +0100
Subject: Seveas repositories name warning. (FreeNX)
In-Reply-To: <1134730851.8586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134730851.8586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134833980.26193.19.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On vr, 2005-12-16 at 11:00 +0000, neil woolford wrote:

> Is this a permanent change, in which case should I update my
> repositories list, or a temporary problem?

Permanent, the main purpose of this repository is that it's my
playground so things like this may (and will) happen. In this case it's
because I'm switching to dapper soon and breezy-seveas would than be
ridiculous :)
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sat Dec 17 15:41:14 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:41:14 +0100
Subject: IRC LoCoBot
In-Reply-To: <43A1797F.6090303@gmail.com>
References: <43A1797F.6090303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134834074.26193.21.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On do, 2005-12-15 at 14:11 +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham wrote:
> Hi all,
>    Sometime ago we received an email about Ubuntu IRC channels. It 
> mentioned something about bots for logging IRC conversations. Do any of 
> you know if this is avaiable freely or is this a home-grown version that 
> Ubuntu uses. Are these web CGI based or do they run on special servers 
> of somekind.

Contact smurf on freenode for the details or for asking him to join your
channel.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sat Dec 17 15:43:42 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:43:42 +0100
Subject: Breezy CDs received
In-Reply-To: <43A09A4C.7050906@cfl.rr.com>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com> <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>
	<43A09A4C.7050906@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1134834222.26193.23.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On wo, 2005-12-14 at 17:18 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> Please don't post new threads to the mailing list by replying to other 
> messages, it causes threaded mail readers to show your messages as being 
> part of the original thread.

Please use a mailclient that isn;t broken instead of accusing others.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From magnus at therning.org  Sat Dec 17 17:19:42 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:19:42 +0000
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
Message-ID: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>

Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):

 /dev/sda7 -> /boot
 /dev/sda8 -> /

Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.

Grub entry:

 title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
 root            (hd0,6)
 kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
 initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
 savedefault
 boot

Any idea on how to solve it?

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

Hard work may not kill me, but why take the chance.
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From norman at littletank.org  Sat Dec 17 17:46:03 2005
From: norman at littletank.org (Norman Silverstone)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:46:03 +0000
Subject: copying CD's
Message-ID: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I need to make several copies of one full CD to be used by individuals
in a group of students. Could someone please advise me of the simplest
and quickest way to do this.

Thanks

Norman




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 16:59:12 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:59:12 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu ReplacedWindowson
	Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com>

> > yes.  Generally the ones available inside Ubuntu repositories are a
> > lot better than 3rd- party applications (Gizmo, Skype, Realplayer,
> > etc).
> Have you found the Gizmo-project in any repository? If so which repository
> can I add from Ubuntu?

Gizmo is not available in any repo that I know of.  Since it is open
source, and already sort of Debian/Ubuntu friendly (since they 
provides deb files), I suspect it coule make it into Debian/Ubuntu one
of these days.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From smartssa at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 17:59:54 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:59:54 -0500
Subject: copying CD's
In-Reply-To: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512170959g51138541k1bf3976e43497db0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Norman Silverstone <norman at littletank.org> wrote:
> I need to make several copies of one full CD to be used by individuals
> in a group of students. Could someone please advise me of the simplest
> and quickest way to do this.
>

k3b is a more feature rich cd/dvdwriter app, it allows you to select a
# of copies.

Install it from your favorite installer (Synaptic, 'Add Applications',
Apt-get, etc...)

Select 'copy cd' and a dialog will popup with all the options
including Number of Copies.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From pawinski at ananzi.co.za  Sat Dec 17 18:00:20 2005
From: pawinski at ananzi.co.za (Marek Pawinski)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:00:20 +0200
Subject: copying CD's
In-Reply-To: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A45234.6060504@ananzi.co.za>

Norman Silverstone wrote:
> I need to make several copies of one full CD to be used by individuals
> in a group of students. Could someone please advise me of the simplest
> and quickest way to do this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Norman
> 
> 

"dd if=/dev/hdc of=fullcd.iso bs=2048" without the quotes, then burn the 
iso to as many cd's as you want. Where hdc is your cdrom/rewriter drive.

-- 
There are two wolves inside me fighting.
One evil, one good. The one i feed will win.




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 17:00:54 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:00:54 -0800
Subject: gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <bdmp.206pkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<200512020756.35305.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<bdmp.206pkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512170900y66faf71bpc1c73d137bfed263@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Can someone who has gotten gizmo to work explain the steps that it
> takes to install it simply?  Thanks.

http://support.gizmoproject.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=135

Install the 3 Debian packages in the order they are listed on that
page, and you will have Gizmo installed in your machine.  At least it
worked for me on Breezy.



From amichai at iglu.org.il  Sat Dec 17 18:14:39 2005
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:14:39 +0200
Subject: gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512170900y66faf71bpc1c73d137bfed263@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<200512020756.35305.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<bdmp.206pkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e453abbe0512170900y66faf71bpc1c73d137bfed263@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9b8deb40512171014j5f95c312h27560972003078a9@mail.gmail.com>

Does it interact with the Skype Network?

I don't think I can move all y Skype contacts to Gizmo...



On 12/17/05, Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/17/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone who has gotten gizmo to work explain the steps that it
> > takes to install it simply?  Thanks.
>
>
> http://support.gizmoproject.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=135
>
> Install the 3 Debian packages in the order they are listed on that
> page, and you will have Gizmo installed in your machine.  At least it
> worked for me on Breezy.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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:====================================================:.

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UIN#: 6401746
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From cb at lim.nl  Sat Dec 17 18:17:58 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:17:58 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu ReplacedWindowson
	Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/17/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

> Yes - sorry that I forgot this. Only one sound process is default allowed
> to be running at the same time. There are somewhere a howto I remember -at
> least when Ubuntu was Hoary - that tell you how to make use of more than
> one sound at the sound. Maybe at ubuntuforums.org. Otherwise you have to
> google.

Thanks for your help. Might this:

  http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly

be the text to which you are referring?

From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 18:24:58 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:24:58 -0800
Subject: gizmo project
In-Reply-To: <d9b8deb40512171014j5f95c312h27560972003078a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70511291945t27fd831fo23a7808045a6e2c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512010811.17749.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<20708.213.237.42.134.1133434938.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<200512020756.35305.james@grayonline.id.au>
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> Does it interact with the Skype Network?
>
>  I don't think I can move all y Skype contacts to Gizmo...

Skype uses their own proprietary protocol.    I don't think anything
but a Skype client can use the Skype network.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 17 18:30:34 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:30:34 -0500
Subject: Breezy CDs received
In-Reply-To: <1134834222.26193.23.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com> <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>
	<43A09A4C.7050906@cfl.rr.com>
	<1134834222.26193.23.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <43A4594A.7070409@cfl.rr.com>

Surely evolution ( the mail reader you seem to be using ) correctly 
threads email?  Thunderbird certainly does.  If you look at the headers 
you will understand.  His message shows:

In-reply-to: <43A07329.9060505 at cfl.rr.com>

Which indicates that it was in reply to my message, and hence, is part 
of the same thread, even though the subject is different.  If evolution 
doesn't think it is part of the same thread when the message clearly 
says that it is, then evolution is broken.  Or maybe you just don't use 
threaded mode and made a bad assumption?

Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> 
> 
> Please use a mailclient that isn;t broken instead of accusing others.
> 




From rafasch at uol.com.br  Sat Dec 17 17:41:49 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:41:49 -0200
Subject: I can't seem to build pine on ubuntu the saga: now
	it's	cc	errors??
In-Reply-To: <43A08995.5090801@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512131001520.2716@localhost.localdomain>
	<439EEBD0.4070400@cfl.rr.com> <439EFC13.7040703@nordita.dk>
	<43A08995.5090801@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <20051217174149.GA16639@ubuntu>

* Scott (angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com) wrote:
> Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> > > I am not really familiar with other command line mail readers very
> > > much, but just about anything has to be better than pine.
> >
> >I heard good things about mutt.
> >
> >Tobi
> >
> 
> If one feels compelled to use a console-based client then I suppose Mutt 
> is the best.
> 
> I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to use an X-based client for 
> email.
> 

Because they're work , because you can deal with your email on a console
window , in a nice Eterm or whatever , because you can switch very fast
from folder to folder without using your mouse , because the're fast ,
and so on. If someone has a LOT of emails to deal with , I think mutt or
pine are great choices. But that's a matter of taste  :)
From time to time I try some gui mail client and I always come back to
mutt.

--
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil



From christian at draugr.de  Sat Dec 17 19:22:04 2005
From: christian at draugr.de (Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dr=F6ge?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:22:04 +0100
Subject: copying CD's
In-Reply-To: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134847324.5173.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

Am Samstag, den 17.12.2005, 17:46 +0000 schrieb Norman Silverstone:
> I need to make several copies of one full CD to be used by individuals
> in a group of students. Could someone please advise me of the simplest
> and quickest way to do this.

Another approach for gnome: install cdrdao by "sudo apt-get install
cdrdao". After that you can copy CDs by clicking on the CD drive on your
desktop -> copy CD/DVD (translated from german).

Regards,
Christian
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From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Sat Dec 17 19:30:29 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:30:29 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
Message-ID: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
"operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
forum --- along with Google and many other pages.  

I'm successfully using Ubuntu in my law office.  I just migrated my
desktop from XP Pro to to Ubuntu Linux 5.10, kernel 2.6.12-9-386, Gnome
2.12.1.

I used Mandriva 05 Ltd. Ed. briefly before switching to Ubuntu.  For the
most part, I greatly prefer Ubuntu.  

On the other hand, under Mandriva, Firefox behaved the same way as it is
under Ubuntu.  I wasn't able to solve the problem directly, but I was
able to work around it by using Konqueror which loaded pages very
quickly.  That workaround is not working so far under Ubuntu.   

Its my first attempt to use the Synaptic Package Manager, but it does
not appear to want to upgrade to Firefox 1.5 which some suggested would
fix the problem.  I'm reluctant to just install Firefox 1.5 from the
and command because I presume that it may create more difficulties than
it solves.  (That presumption is based on my own command line abilities
more than anything else.)  

Konqueror, Epiphany and straight Mozilla do not appear to be available
for the system according to the Gnome Add Applications software
installer.  I don't know if those browsers would work any better
though.    

Please help.

mjewell





From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Sat Dec 17 20:22:52 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:22:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu 
 ReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/17/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
>> Yes - sorry that I forgot this. Only one sound process is default
>> allowed
>> to be running at the same time. There are somewhere a howto I remember
>> -at
>> least when Ubuntu was Hoary - that tell you how to make use of more than
>> one sound at the sound. Maybe at ubuntuforums.org. Otherwise you have to
>> google.
>
> Thanks for your help. Might this:
>
>   http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
>
> be the text to which you are referring?
No it was not that one - it conserned specificly using two or more sound
applications at the same time.

Regards

Phillip



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 20:23:40 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:23:40 +0200
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 12:30 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
> "operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
> forum --- along with Google and many other pages.   

Does it do that with all pages? Are you sure you haven't changed any of
its settings (proxies etc?) Maybe you do need to set up a proxy?




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Sat Dec 17 20:25:10 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:25:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu 
 ReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com><26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30135.213.237.42.134.1134851110.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

>> > yes.  Generally the ones available inside Ubuntu repositories are a
>> > lot better than 3rd- party applications (Gizmo, Skype, Realplayer,
>> > etc).
>> Have you found the Gizmo-project in any repository? If so which
>> repository
>> can I add from Ubuntu?
>
> Gizmo is not available in any repo that I know of.  Since it is open
> source, and already sort of Debian/Ubuntu friendly (since they
> provides deb files), I suspect it coule make it into Debian/Ubuntu one
> of these days.
I have suggested that - but it is seldom we get answers from the
Ubuntu-guys. They ar bussy - but sometimes we want to help and they do not
reply that either?

Regards

Phillip



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 20:57:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:57:17 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Get me realPlayer working on Ubuntu (such that it can stream from
websites like raaga.com, musicindiaonline.com ) and also get Yahoo!
Music Videos and Radio to work on Ubuntu, and I can proudly add myself
to this list. 

Hari


-- 
harisund



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sat Dec 17 21:19:27 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:27 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de>
	<200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com>
	<harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134854367.26193.29.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On za, 2005-12-17 at 15:57 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Get me realPlayer working on Ubuntu (such that it can stream from
> websites like raaga.com, musicindiaonline.com ) and also get Yahoo!
> Music Videos and Radio to work on Ubuntu, and I can proudly add myself
> to this list. 

apt-get install mozilla-mplayer w32codecs
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Sat Dec 17 21:29:24 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:29:24 -0700
Subject: gaim: Feature, almost everybody lacks
In-Reply-To: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>
References: <20051209140649.D14DA6E472@mail-in-01.arcor-online.net>
Message-ID: <43A48334.1000800@angrykeyboarder.com>

Andreas Zeller wrote:

> Being able to join a network with a specific status would also be very useful. For example, I can not join ICQ in invisible status. I would want to do that, to exclude some people from seeing that I am actually online. Or that I WAS online, even if it was just for a second.
> Setting up the status and seeing it in a list below would be a very useful feature.

That's interesting.  Kopete has this feature. And many Gaim fans love to 
  malign Kopete. :-)

> 
> I'd be glad to hear what kind of efforts are being made into this direction, if any.

As someone suggested, the Gaim list would be a better place to ask that 
question.

SITE: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
Gaim FEATURE REQUESTS FORUM: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=350235&group_id=235&func=browse
Gaim FEATURES MAILING LIST: 
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-features

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From ed at fletcher.ca  Sat Dec 17 21:35:18 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:35:18 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Severe Slowdown When Nautilus Active
Message-ID: <43A48496.5080600@fletcher.ca>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi:

I'm finding that my computer is slowing to a crawl when Nautilus is
active.  It happens when I've been logged in for a while and I've had a
Nautilus window open for a few hours.  For instance, it happened last
night.  When I clicked on another directory in Nautilus, X.org used 95%
of CPU in top and it took about a minute for the directory to be
displayed.  I logged out and back in again.  Everything was fast.

Now, 14 hours later, it's happening again.  top shows that X.org's cpu
usage goes from 2% or 3% up to 95% and then eventually drops back down
to it's previous level.  Oddly, Nautilus doesn't show any such increase.

If I just close Nautilus and restart it, the problem comes right back.
However, if I log out and log back it, Nautilus doesn't slow things down
for a few hours.

Anyone have an idea as to what is going on?

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 17 21:38:29 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:38:29 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134756175.5657.30.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <l3de73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mike Bird wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 07:42, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> But Postfix is huge overkill.  If (*)ubuntu-desktop required
>> <mail-transport-agent> (the minimum mailx would seem to need is esmtp)
>> and
>> recommended postfix, I'd be happy enough.  Removing mailx is not "dumbing
>> down", it's crippling.
> 
> I've never used ESMTP so I'll quote from the package description -

I haven't either. It's irrelevant, I was just pointing out that _I think_
it's the least you would need to install to make mailx work.  The point is
you definitely _don't_ need Postfix. fwiw, I think esmtp-run is the MDA
component, but I could be wrong.

> Postfix can "do it all".

We don't _need_ "it all", and I for one don't want it.  I don't want
Postfix, I don't need Postfix, and I'm pleased that it's no longer required
for Ubuntu.  I just think they went too far.  If - as I already suggested -
the *ubuntu-desktop packages required <mail-transport-agent> then you could
have postfix, I could have masqmail, and anybody else could use any MTA
they wanted.

> Postfix is a reliable solution.  While not internally simple, it
> is simple to install and very reliable.
> 
> Let us not start breaking new installations by targetting Ubuntu
> at a mythical lowest common denominator.  

You don't break new installations if you require _an_ MTA.  If the depends
is "<mail-transport-agent> | postfix" you'll get postfix if you don't
already have an MTA that provides mail-transport-agent.  It's not rocket
science.

I don't understand this talk of "dumbing down" or "lower common denominator"
- that's not what happens when you remove mailx.  afaict, this is just a
mistake, not an attempt to dumb it down.
-- 
derek




From norman at littletank.org  Sat Dec 17 22:17:47 2005
From: norman at littletank.org (Norman Silverstone)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:17:47 +0000
Subject: copying CD's
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512170959g51138541k1bf3976e43497db0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134841563.14010.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<37dd77890512170959g51138541k1bf3976e43497db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134857867.14010.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> k3b is a more feature rich cd/dvdwriter app, it allows you to select a
> # of copies.
> 
> Install it from your favorite installer (Synaptic, 'Add Applications',
> Apt-get, etc...)
> 
> Select 'copy cd' and a dialog will popup with all the options
> including Number of Copies.

Thank you Darryl. I do run k3b. My trouble is that I don't read what is
on the screen, a common complaint I believe.

Norman




From magnus at therning.org  Sat Dec 17 22:19:52 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:52 +0000
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
In-Reply-To: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <20051217221952.GA5272@die.therning.org>

On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 05:19:42PM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote:
>Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
>non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
>SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):
>
> /dev/sda7 -> /boot
> /dev/sda8 -> /
>
>Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
>that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.
>
>Grub entry:
>
> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
> root            (hd0,6)
> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
> initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
> savedefault
> boot
>
>Any idea on how to solve it?

The problem persists despite having installed a more suited kernel (k7
since it's an AMD system). I'm really at a loss here, and I am not able
to provide more info--I'm dropped in a BusyBox without a working
keyboard :(

My CDROM turns up at /dev/hda, but I didn't see any messages regarding
SCSI (AFAIK SATA is "handled through" the SCSI driver). I suspect there
might be some kernel option to put in menu.lst that solves this, but I
can't find anything through Google... I'm open for any suggestions...

Oh, BTW, Breezy works just fine on this system, without any special
tuning relating to SATA HDD.

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
     -- Hector Louis Berlioz
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 17 21:46:30 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:46:30 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051216225009.GA29043@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <nide73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

David wrote:

> I can't see why postfix is a problem. If you don't need it, it sits there
> doing not very much. If you do need it, it's essential.

Postfix is _never_ essential. If you need a full-featured MTA, there are
plenty of options.

> I could just as easily say that I don't need gaim because it's not a
> function *I* use, or OO for that matter.

That's not at all the same.  It's more like saying I don't need gaim because
I use another instant messenger (don't ask me to give examples, because in
fact I don't use _any_ IM).

Postfix should NOT be a requirement because it stops anyone from installing
*ubuntu-desktop and using another MTA.  So, in the same vein, I'd approve
of a dependency that specified _either_ gaim or a virtual <IM-client> (I
rather doubt that there is a virtual package for IM-clients, but I trust
you get the point).
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 17 21:57:47 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:57:47 -0400
Subject: Breezy CDs received
References: <43A07329.9060505@cfl.rr.com> <43A09199.905@upng.ac.pg>
	<43A09A4C.7050906@cfl.rr.com>
	<1134834222.26193.23.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <r7ee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:

> On wo, 2005-12-14 at 17:18 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
>> Please don't post new threads to the mailing list by replying to other
>> messages, it causes threaded mail readers to show your messages as being
>> part of the original thread.
> 
> Please use a mailclient that isn;t broken instead of accusing others.

Excuse me.  Phillip's completely correct.  A correctly functioning mail
client will treat a message sent as a "reply" as part of a thread even if
the subject is changed.  This is what the poster did, and knode (which I'll
admit isn't always unbroken) correctly treated it as part of the original
thread.

Why wouldn't evolution do the same?  imo, your client breaks the implied
contract with its users if it ignores references.
-- 
derek




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 22:33:02 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:33:02 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu
	ReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <30135.213.237.42.134.1134851110.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<30135.213.237.42.134.1134851110.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512171433q27758365o2b344f977b7c2a71@mail.gmail.com>

> > Gizmo is not available in any repo that I know of.  Since it is open
> > source, and already sort of Debian/Ubuntu friendly (since they
> > provides deb files), I suspect it coule make it into Debian/Ubuntu one
> > of these days.
> I have suggested that - but it is seldom we get answers from the
> Ubuntu-guys. They ar bussy - but sometimes we want to help and they do not
> reply that either?

if you want to help form something like this, you simply have to join
MOTU; everyone is welcome:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU

If Gizmo ever makes it into Ubuntu, it will be via Debian, or because
of the MOTU team.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 17 22:01:40 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:01:40 -0400
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <4fee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Magnus Therning wrote:

> Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
> non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
> SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):
> 
>  /dev/sda7 -> /boot
>  /dev/sda8 -> /
> 
> Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
> that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.
> 
> Grub entry:
> 
>  title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
>  root            (hd0,6)
>  kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
>  initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
>  savedefault
>  boot
> 
> Any idea on how to solve it?
> 

Not really - it's what I saw with the earlier 2.6.15 kernels, though I think
the actual fix was in udev.  I'm now using 2.6.15-8-686 (note the 686) and
udev 077-0ubuntu5 and the problem's gone away.  Otherwise, you might need
an earlier kernel (the previous one I'd used was 2.6.12-9-686).

hth
-- 
derek




From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Sat Dec 17 22:42:01 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:23 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 12:30 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> > Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
> > "operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
> > forum --- along with Google and many other pages.   
> 
> Does it do that with all pages? Are you sure you haven't changed any of
> its settings (proxies etc?) Maybe you do need to set up a proxy?
> 
> 
> 
No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sat Dec 17 22:44:04 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:44:04 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <l3de73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134756175.5657.30.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<l3de73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1134859443.3941.57.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 13:38, Derek Broughton wrote:
> You don't break new installations if you require _an_ MTA.  If the depends
> is "<mail-transport-agent> | postfix" you'll get postfix if you don't
> already have an MTA that provides mail-transport-agent.  It's not rocket
> science.

We're talking about the Ubuntu breakage caused by mailx and postfix
no longer being installed.  Wizards with time on their hands can
change *anything* post-install.  Ubuntu (or if not, then Kubuntu)
needs to provide a system that's not broken upon installation.

If you can fit multiple MTA's on the CD and implement a selection
mechanism perhaps along the lines of Grub/Lilo, then please do so.
Presumably naive users would not be asked such a difficult
question and would be given postfix which is sufficient to their
needs albeit perhaps not as small as less versatile MTA's.

Until then, we need to provide mailx and postfix in the default
install.

--Mike Bird




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 22:56:00 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:56:00 +0200
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 15:42 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:23 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 12:30 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> > > Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
> > > "operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
> > > forum --- along with Google and many other pages.   
> > 
> > Does it do that with all pages? Are you sure you haven't changed any of
> > its settings (proxies etc?) Maybe you do need to set up a proxy?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
> to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     
> 

Other browsers work ok? It sounds very weird. Maybe it's a network
problem? Your internet is working fine otherwise?




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 17 21:39:53 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:53 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<3f1760512160825q2af382fbl@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fab73-dsr.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134758058.5657.40.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <96de73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mike Bird wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:35, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Postfix is easier to configure than Exim (I've used both) but still
>> too difficult for the average desktop user.
> 
> Have you tried installing postfix in Ubuntu?

Not since Warty - but that's why I switched to masqmail.  It wasn't worth
the trouble.
-- 
derek




From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Sat Dec 17 23:05:18 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:05:18 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134860718.9235.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 00:56 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 15:42 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:23 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 12:30 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> > > > Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
> > > > "operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
> > > > forum --- along with Google and many other pages.   
> > > 
> > > Does it do that with all pages? Are you sure you haven't changed any of
> > > its settings (proxies etc?) Maybe you do need to set up a proxy?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
> > to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     
> > 
> 
> Other browsers work ok? It sounds very weird. Maybe it's a network
> problem? Your internet is working fine otherwise?

Yes, its weird.  Konqueror worked okay under Mandriva linux, and Firefox
works fine from the Windows XP Pro partition --- same machine.  Email is
fine.  Pinging the sites from a terminal is fine.   




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Sat Dec 17 23:15:14 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:15:14 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has 
 UbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512171433q27758365o2b344f977b7c2a71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com><26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com><30135.213.237.42.134.1134851110.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<e453abbe0512171433q27758365o2b344f977b7c2a71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30761.213.237.42.134.1134861314.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

>> > Gizmo is not available in any repo that I know of.  Since it is open
>> > source, and already sort of Debian/Ubuntu friendly (since they
>> > provides deb files), I suspect it coule make it into Debian/Ubuntu one
>> > of these days.
>> I have suggested that - but it is seldom we get answers from the
>> Ubuntu-guys. They ar bussy - but sometimes we want to help and they do
>> not
>> reply that either?
>
> if you want to help form something like this, you simply have to join
> MOTU; everyone is welcome:
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
The idea is fine if it is just to place a program in the repository, but
if it is helping with spreading Ubuntu, MOTU is not useable. And Canonical
that finance spreading the Ubuntu CD's they do not answer on requests? I
like to help making new ways to spread Ubuntu then:

I like to create a virtual LIVE -Online-Ubuntu so you can try Ubuntu on
the net without installing (just like the live-CDs starting from CDs)
I like to physical spread thousands of pre-installed computers with Ubuntu
but noone from the Ubuntu team cares?
I like ...

Where to go with Ubuntu projects if not Canonical?

Best regards

Phillip
Regards

Phillip



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 23:07:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:07:32 -0500
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
	<4fee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <earobinson.207j7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


weird


-- 
earobinson



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 17 23:35:24 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:35:24 +1100
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:53:08 +1100
David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 03:23:39AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 03:03, David wrote:
> > > I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
> > > Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
> > > Have I missed something obvious?
> > > 
> > > It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
> > > 
> > > It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> > > /usr/bin/mail
> > 
> > You'll need to install the mailx package.  It was required by
> > ubuntu-base in Hoary but dropped for Breezy.  I have no idea why.
> > 
> 
OK, clearly from the length of this thread, and the points made in it, this
is either

1) A decision made by the development team to jettison postfix/ mailx etc

OR

2) A mistake

OR

3) ?

> 
> This sounds like a bug to me, or at least some inappropriate dumbing down. 
> Does this mean that with each new release of Ubuntu we need to check what 
> has been considered inappropriate for the "average" user? 

See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited

 for a flavour of some of the thinking that is being done about ... erm..
not confusing new users. 

I guess this kind of "thinking aloud" is part of the process, but some of
the suggestions on the link above make my hair stand on end <grin>

> 
> What disappears next? Terminal? rm? Everyone knows how dangerous rm is ;-)

Right - so is mv , for that matter ( and no, please don't give us
default aliases to rm -i and so on ;)
> 
> I'm really happy with Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean that everything the 
> gods of ubuntu do is correct, and  this one doesn't look good to me.
> 

Agreed - but as I said in an earlier post, we could debate the MTA/ mailx
thing forever. Seems pretty clear to me that *some* kind of local delivery
mechanism is fundamental, though.

What would be helpful, if anyone is listening (?), would be
for some member of the team to respond to this thread, and explain how
local mail was suddenly made to mysteriously disappear, and why.

What's the policy on this, guys ?

Peter
-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From beast2k at videotron.ca  Sat Dec 17 23:36:25 2005
From: beast2k at videotron.ca (Beast2k)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:36:25 -0500
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134860718.9235.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860718.9235.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A4A0F9.8060404@videotron.ca>



mjewell wrote:

>On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 00:56 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 15:42 -0700, mjewell wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:23 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 12:30 -0700, mjewell wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Apologies if this topic has been covered, but Firefox is displaying
>>>>>"operation timed out" messages instead of loading the Ubuntu wiki and
>>>>>forum --- along with Google and many other pages.   
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Does it do that with all pages? Are you sure you haven't changed any of
>>>>its settings (proxies etc?) Maybe you do need to set up a proxy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
>>>to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Other browsers work ok? It sounds very weird. Maybe it's a network
>>problem? Your internet is working fine otherwise?
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, its weird.  Konqueror worked okay under Mandriva linux, and Firefox
>works fine from the Windows XP Pro partition --- same machine.  Email is
>fine.  Pinging the sites from a terminal is fine.   
>
>I have the same trouble as far as I can tell it's a Firefox bug because
>others also have the same trouble in ms windows with firefox. I have seen it with many distros and like you all my other browsers and my network and internet connections are just fine. I noticed the "bug" in the last 2 or 3 versions of firefox however it seems worse (imo) in 1.0.7 Perhaps there is a hack or fix but I'm still looking, I'll post when/if I find one of course.
>  
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 17 23:27:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:27:46 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <marvlus.207k4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This site helped me get up and running: 'http://www.dslwebserver.com/'
(http://http://www.dslwebserver.com/)


-- 
marvlus



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 17 23:49:25 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:49:25 +1100
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
mjewell <mjewell at openmissoula.org> wrote:

> No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
> to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     

This may or may not solve your problem, but it's worth a try

Open

about:config

in the location field, then in the search field put "ipv6"  (without the
quotes). Change

network.dns.disableIPv6   to  "true"    and restart firefox (not sure if
the restart is needed, but that can't hurt either ;)

Some people's ISPs haven't quite got IPv6 right, apparently (according to
what I've heard - please correct me, someone, if I've misunderstood )

This change has made a dramatic difference for several people to whom I
suggested it on IRC.

Peter

 -- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Sun Dec 18 00:03:02 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:03:02 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <43A4A0F9.8060404@videotron.ca>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860718.9235.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A4A0F9.8060404@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1134864182.13987.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> >Yes, its weird.  Konqueror worked okay under Mandriva linux, and Firefox
> >works fine from the Windows XP Pro partition --- same machine.  Email is
> >fine.  Pinging the sites from a terminal is fine.   
> >
> >I have the same trouble as far as I can tell it's a Firefox bug because
> >others also have the same trouble in ms windows with firefox. I have seen it with many distros and like you all my other browsers and my network and internet connections are just fine. I noticed the "bug" in the last 2 or 3 versions of firefox however it seems worse (imo) in 1.0.7 Perhaps there is a hack or fix but I'm still looking, I'll post when/if I find one of course.
> > 

Is there a workaround for Ubuntu? --- My distro did not load any other
browser.  I'm nervous to try upgrading to 1.5 because the distro did not
upgrade automatically.

This problem is so bad that my browser is basically useless at work.
Everything else is great, and I don't want to have to go back to XP Pro
over something so small.  




From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Sun Dec 18 00:07:52 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:07:52 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 10:49 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
> mjewell <mjewell at openmissoula.org> wrote:
> 
> > No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
> > to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     
> 
> This may or may not solve your problem, but it's worth a try
> 
> Open
> 
> about:config
> 
> in the location field, then in the search field put "ipv6"  (without the
> quotes). Change
> 
> network.dns.disableIPv6   to  "true"    and restart firefox (not sure if
> the restart is needed, but that can't hurt either ;)
> 
> Some people's ISPs haven't quite got IPv6 right, apparently (according to
> what I've heard - please correct me, someone, if I've misunderstood )
> 
> This change has made a dramatic difference for several people to whom I
> suggested it on IRC.
> 
> Peter
> 

Thx, Peter --
This sounds promising!  Which directory has the file that need
editing?  

PS love the Stephenson quote.




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 00:09:35 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:09:35 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 15:35, Peter Garrett wrote:
> See
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
> 
> I guess this kind of "thinking aloud" is part of the process, but some of
> the suggestions on the link above make my hair stand on end <grin>

Thanks for the warning.  Fedora went down to the Gnome Thought
Police.  Now Ubuntu.  Do these people actually do real work on
Linux systems?  You don't make users Nautigate to their files
when they can open the app in the menu and Open File or even
Open Recent.  Jeez, get a clue!  In fact, here's one for you:
Anytime you think you know the only politically correct way to
do something technical - you're wrong.

FREEDOM MEANS CHOICES, NOT THE ONE AND ONLY OFFICIALLY
SANCTIONED CHOICE.

We lost Postfix due to a campaign by a guy who hasn't used
it since Warty.  And Mailx to "an accident".

What's going to be the next distro after Ubuntu is borked?

--Mike Bird




From ompaul at eircom.net  Sun Dec 18 00:19:41 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:19:41 +0000
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A4AB1D.4000709@eircom.net>

mjewell wrote:

>On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 10:49 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
>>mjewell <mjewell at openmissoula.org> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>This may or may not solve your problem, but it's worth a try
>>
>>Open
>>
>>about:config
>>
>>in the location field, then in the search field put "ipv6"  (without the
>>quotes). Change
>>
>>network.dns.disableIPv6   to  "true"    and restart firefox (not sure if
>>the restart is needed, but that can't hurt either ;)
>>
>>Some people's ISPs haven't quite got IPv6 right, apparently (according to
>>what I've heard - please correct me, someone, if I've misunderstood )
>>
>>This change has made a dramatic difference for several people to whom I
>>suggested it on IRC.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Thx, Peter --
>This sounds promising!  Which directory has the file that need
>editing?  
>  
>
To follow Peters instructions you can type the about:config where you 
type the URL/address.
It also works as he said by File:Open

Regards,

Paul



From senectus at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 00:25:09 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:25:09 +0800
Subject: how to set default apps in gnome?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512171625j662b949ct1e53d818c55220c7@mail.gmail.com>

How do you tell Gnome you want VLC to be the default movie player
instead of MPlayer?
--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 18 00:29:35 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:29:35 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:09:35 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

> FREEDOM MEANS CHOICES, NOT THE ONE AND ONLY OFFICIALLY
> SANCTIONED CHOICE.
> 
> We lost Postfix due to a campaign by a guy who hasn't used
> it since Warty.  And Mailx to "an accident".

We don't know that either of these assertions is true - hence my questions
to the developers.

> 
> What's going to be the next distro after Ubuntu is borked?
> 
> --Mike Bird

Mike,

I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
you?

My post was an invitation to the developers to share their thinking, not
an invitation to a flame fest. Let's stay calm and wait for an answer
before leaping to conclusions.

Sincerely,

Peter

-- Unix is hard to learn. The process of
learning it is one of multiple small epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From ogra at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec 18 00:40:08 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:40:08 +0100
Subject: how to set default apps in gnome?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512171625j662b949ct1e53d818c55220c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512171625j662b949ct1e53d818c55220c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134866408.3397.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Sonntag, den 18.12.2005, 08:25 +0800 schrieb Senectus .:
> How do you tell Gnome you want VLC to be the default movie player
> instead of MPlayer?
the same way you changed it from totem to MPlayer ?
(right click a movie, go to properties and select th open with tab)

ciao
	oli
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 00:45:01 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:45:01 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Message-ID: <1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
> I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
> you?

There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
(Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.

I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.

I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
not stopped.

--Mike Bird




From james at grayonline.id.au  Sun Dec 18 00:10:04 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:10:04 +1100
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512181110.07965.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:27, Steve wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've installed Dapper in VMware, but when trying to install VMware
> Tools, it states that I am missing a C Compiler. There are many things
> in Synaptic... what should I install to fix this?

Specifically it needs the same compiler as the kernel so it can create the 
kernel modules for virtual network adapters etc.  Not sure about Dapper, 
but Breezy's kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4 but the "build-essential" 
package installs gcc-4.

If Dapper's kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4 then you'll need to do this:
1. sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
2. export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
3. sudo vmware-config.pl
4. unset CC

Done :)

James
-- 
You're already carrying the sphere!
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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Dec 18 01:13:41 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:13:41 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Message-ID: <fb6605670512171713r77e27880q4f5f7ea17f1bfb46@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
> dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
> (Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
> to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
>
> I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
>
> I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
> incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
> not stopped.

Agreed. Gnome is near uselessness because it's been dumbed-down to the
lowest common denominator. I now just run fluxbox, and quite honestly,
I feel somewhat betrayed by something that I used to believe in.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From clintin at linuxmail.org  Sun Dec 18 01:23:03 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:23:03 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
Message-ID: <20051218012303.9DD9643EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Suggest you disable IPv6, you internet provider probably doesn't support which results in exactly this problem as described.  I have a writeup on this website: http://idahopcug.apcug.org/linux.html  You might want to scroll down a little to a Tale of IPv6.

Clint
Registered User 253140




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 18 01:36:04 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:36:04 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512171713r77e27880q4f5f7ea17f1bfb46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<fb6605670512171713r77e27880q4f5f7ea17f1bfb46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051218123604.432686cd.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:13:41 -0500
"Michael P. Soulier" <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca> wrote:

> On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> > There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
> > dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
> > (Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
> > to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
> >
> > I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
> >
> > I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
> > incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
> > not stopped.
> 
> Agreed. Gnome is near uselessness because it's been dumbed-down to the
> lowest common denominator. I now just run fluxbox, and quite honestly,
> I feel somewhat betrayed by something that I used to believe in.
> 
> Mike

 As it happens, I'm running fluxbox as I type this :)

There's a comments page for the "MenusRevisited" page I linked, if you
want to contribute suggestions and criticisms

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited/Comments

I'm also concerned about the direction of Gnome: it could be great, but I
fear many will desert it, if they feel disenfranchised by over-rigid design
decisions. This could happen to Ubuntu as well - which is why discussion
of these issues is important on this list, and elsewhere.

While making the GUI as approachable as possible is a laudable aim,
removing useful functionality for the sake of simplicity is  a trap.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all
the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. - Abraham
Lincoln"

Consideration of this quote is left, as they say, "As an exercise for the
reader"

Peter


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 01:59:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:59:37 -0500
Subject: Canon Laser Shot LBP-1210 Printer
References: <2991d56c05021117467971a4b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <notepad.207qly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i downloaded 'drivers' from
http://software.canon-europe.com/software/canon_capt_printer_driver_for_linuxs21386.asp?mode
l= where canon has the audacity to declare that they have provided linux
drivers when all they offer is a couple of *.rpms. anyway you can
convert the rpms to *.debs using alien.



install the packages using dpkg -i then run gnome-cups-manager to
install your printer. it will now be listed unlike before.



try printing a test page and let me know if it works. it didnt work for
me =o\ the solution cant be far away now and somebody knows the answer.
im not giving up on it for a while yet.


-- 
notepad



From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 18 03:03:11 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:03:11 +1100
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051218030310.GA14004@mail.kenpro.com.au>

I started this thread because I discovered mailx and MTA packages were 
missing.  Whether the MTA is postfix, sendmail or some other thing is a 
matter of choice, not relevant to the discussion.

What needs discussing - hopefully brought to the attention of the gods of 
ubuntu - is why a useful (and harmless?) package should suddenly disappear.

Why NOT have an MTA? Why NOT have mailx? They are not inconsequential 
choices. Are they less important than the seventeen games included in the 
standard CD install?

When the root terminal disappeared from the menu, it wasn't hard to 
understand the thinking, but loosing the MTA/mailx seems like dumbing down 
to me, and I believe it should be avoided at all costs.

If nobody mentions it we are just failing to vote.



From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Sun Dec 18 02:32:36 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:32:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Booting Kubuntu 5.10 gets an "Out of Range" message
Message-ID: <loom.20051218T031651-430@post.gmane.org>

I've just installed Kubuntu 5.10. Installation help directed me to
ubuntulinux.org whence I came to this list.  The boot loader lists
ubuntu as the first and default option and a "recovery" Ubuntu as
the second option. I cannot login to the GUI using either because:

1. The default boot loads Ubuntu (with screen display too faint
to read) and finishes with a blank screen with the message "Out of
Range".  The message is in a similar form to the "No Signal" which
the monitor displays before I boot the CPU.

2. The recovery mode loads Ubuntu (legible screen display) and
results in a command-line screen.  "login" enables me to login as
a user but I do not know how to get the GUI.  "kdm" gets me the
same "Out of Range" screen as the default mode.

What can I do to get the login manager?  Thanks (I hope).




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 03:45:58 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:45:58 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has
	UbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <30761.213.237.42.134.1134861314.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512162359g13ab213t67757f3f5f58eae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26534.213.237.42.134.1134820465.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<e453abbe0512170859o1ce8653fvf2dab39eaec80cc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<30135.213.237.42.134.1134851110.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<e453abbe0512171433q27758365o2b344f977b7c2a71@mail.gmail.com>
	<30761.213.237.42.134.1134861314.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512171945x41a5ce13l3a12a4d612a8ac26@mail.gmail.com>

> I like to create a virtual LIVE -Online-Ubuntu so you can try Ubuntu on
> the net without installing (just like the live-CDs starting from CDs)
> I like to physical spread thousands of pre-installed computers with Ubuntu
> but noone from the Ubuntu team cares?
> I like ...
>
> Where to go with Ubuntu projects if not Canonical?

Go to the community.  Spread the word via the lists, the wiki, irc.
Write something for posting on the fridge.ubuntu.com.  Try to gather
people around your idea..  Create a web site, a forum discussion,etc  
The Ubuntu  community is large enough that if you have a great idea,
people will join and help.    Canonical has a finite amount of
ressource, and personally I want it spent on the base distro.

And MOTU has a series of commuinty-created teams that aim at all sort
of things.  Just check all the projects they are working on at various
levels.

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams

One example that comes to mind is Xubuntu,   the Ubuntu based on Xfce.
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu

If you are looking at members of the community to help with your idea,
these are the places you want to look at.

--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 03:57:35 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:57:35 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>

> OK, clearly from the length of this thread, and the points made in it, this
> is either
>
> 1) A decision made by the development team to jettison postfix/ mailx etc
>
> OR
>
>  2) A mistake

I think it is 1).  There has been discussions about how to do with
Mail ever since the spring, with the aim to apply the changes for
Breezy.   I suspect the root of mailx not being installed by default
comes from these discussions.  See for example this spec from UDU in
April:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap



--
Daniel Robitaille



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 04:10:20 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:10:20 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 19:57, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> There has been discussions about how to do with
> Mail ever since the spring, with the aim to apply the changes for
> Breezy.   I suspect the root of mailx not being installed by default
> comes from these discussions.  See for example this spec from UDU in
> April:
>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap

That discussion, initiated by MattZimmerman, proposed switching
from Exim to Postfix, standardising on Maildir format in a
non-standard but sensible ~/.maildir directory, and eventually
making all mail apps automagically work together when installed.
All excellent points.

If there's an official explanation for dumping Postfix and Mailx I
haven't found it yet.

--Mike Bird




From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 04:58:58 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:58:58 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 19:57, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > There has been discussions about how to do with
> > Mail ever since the spring, with the aim to apply the changes for
> > Breezy.   I suspect the root of mailx not being installed by default
> > comes from these discussions.  See for example this spec from UDU in
> > April:
> >   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap
>
> That discussion, initiated by MattZimmerman, proposed switching
> from Exim to Postfix, standardising on Maildir format in a
> non-standard but sensible ~/.maildir directory, and eventually
> making all mail apps automagically work together when installed.
> All excellent points.
>
> If there's an official explanation for dumping Postfix and Mailx I
> haven't found it yet.

but there was some hints in there about totally getting rid of all
this for normal users.  See for example at the end:

"What about replacing the MTA with SSMTP and configure all clients to
use that as the standard smtp "gateway"? "

This sounds like  getting rid of postfix all together and have only by
default applications that can talk to a smtp server directly (which I
believe is not case of mailx).

I agree that's not an official explanation, but I suspect the seeds of
these type of changes came from these discussions in the spring.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 05:06:02 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:06:02 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512172106v72db7296qc97e91ae94b66cab@mail.gmail.com>

> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 19:57, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > > There has been discussions about how to do with
> > > Mail ever since the spring, with the aim to apply the changes for
> > > Breezy.   I suspect the root of mailx not being installed by default
> > > comes from these discussions.  See for example this spec from UDU in
> > > April:
> > >   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap
> >
> > That discussion, initiated by MattZimmerman, proposed switching
> > from Exim to Postfix, standardising on Maildir format in a
> > non-standard but sensible ~/.maildir directory, and eventually
> > making all mail apps automagically work together when installed.
> > All excellent points.
> >
> > If there's an official explanation for dumping Postfix and Mailx I
> > haven't found it yet.

Another spec from this spring, this one with the actual decision of
moving postfix and mailx from being installed by default to simply
being "supported" (but once again without an actual explanation; but
it points back to that MailRoadmap wiki page):

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageSelection

=================================
The following packages should be moved from base to supported:

    * netkit-inetd
    * mailx (pending MailRoadmap)
    * postfix (pending MailRoadmap)
    * postfix-tls (pending MailRoadmap)

=================================


--
Daniel Robitaille



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Sun Dec 18 05:20:31 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:20:31 -0700
Subject: Booting Kubuntu 5.10 gets an "Out of Range" message
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051218T031651-430@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051218T031651-430@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A4F19F.9000903@telusplanet.net>

Good evening, Terry!

> 1. The default boot loads Ubuntu (with screen display too faint
> to read) and finishes with a blank screen with the message "Out of
> Range".  The message is in a similar form to the "No Signal" which
> the monitor displays before I boot the CPU.

Somewhere during the installation the vertical and/or horizontal 
frequencies of your monitor weren't set properly. Grab your monitor's 
manual and get these values (likely in the specifications section).

> 2. The recovery mode loads Ubuntu (legible screen display) and
> results in a command-line screen.  "login" enables me to login as
> a user but I do not know how to get the GUI.  "kdm" gets me the
> same "Out of Range" screen as the default mode.
> 
> What can I do to get the login manager?  Thanks (I hope).

Running off of memory here!

You don't need the GUI!
This can be done from the command line.
Once you have logged in (as a user) type:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

and hit enter. Give your user's password. You will be presented with a 
series of screens are used to build the Xserver configuration file. Most 
of the screens deal with things like your keyboard and other non-monitor 
related items. You already ran through these when you first installed 
Ubuntu, so you can accept the default values presented on these screens 
(click OK or next or whatever gets you to the next screen).

Near the end of the series will be some screens that ask questions about 
your monitor. Pick the advanced option and when asked, enter your 
monitor's horizontal frequencies and then the vertical frequencies. (If 
your monitor supports a range of frequencies like 31.5 to 38, enter 
these as 31.5-38). Once these have been entered, continue with the final 
set of screens until you are back at the commmand line (you'll know when 
you are there).

Then you can enter:

sudo shutdown -r now

and hit enter. Your machine should reboot and get you to the GUI normally.

HTH

Rob



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 06:04:50 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:04:50 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>

This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).

On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
> > I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
> > you?
>
> There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
> dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
> (Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
> to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
>
> I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
>
> I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
> incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
> not stopped.
>
> --Mike Bird

I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
<http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
Rank	Distribution	Hits Per Day
1	Ubuntu	2739
2	SUSE	1891
3	Mandriva	1801
4	Fedora	1030

Hmm. Who's sitting right at the top?

As for the "fundamentally flawed approach"... hmm, the numbers speak
for themselves.

Plus, Ubuntu is still _fully_ customisable, however, it is also
becoming more ACCESSIBLE (one of Canonical's stated goals is
accessibility) by becoming more usable.

Perhaps you didn't experience the whole DOS vs. Mac war in the 1980s,
so, to summarise: the computer "experts" (pundits) derided the Mac GUI
for being simplistic, limiting, not keyboard controllable and simply
not useful (whatever would you do with a MOUSE... drawing pictures?
Use LOGO! Page layout? Only publishers need LinoTypes). What did
Microsoft do the instant they cleared up the legal wranglings they had
with Apple? Copy Mac's GUI down to the last letter (making some pretty
bad mistakes in the process unfortunately). Why? Because GUI and
simplicity WORKS.

Perhaps you haven't heard this before but LESS IS MORE.

You can buy the $200 MP3 player with radio, voice recorder, video
screen and lots of storage, or you can buy the $200 MP3 player that
only plays MP3s with less storage -- which of the two gets used? The
one that didn't break... i.e., the one where the manufacturer focussed
on quality vs. quantity. We all recognise this principle -- in Dutch
there's a great play on words "Goedkoop is duur koop"
(<http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/stoe002nede01/stoe002nede01_0719.htm>)
which translates to "Cheap buys are expensive buys" (or, if you use
auto-translate "Cheap expensive buy is"). You buy a cheap MP3 player
this month. Three months later you already have to buy another one and
another one and...

Seems to me Occam's Razor belongs here as well.

And, let's add a KISS for good measure.

Anyway, it's late.

Eric.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 06:12:10 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:12:10 -0500
Subject: Hard Drive Check Forced
References: <5536eac60505050910643bda3f@mail.gmail.com><200505051905.05977.ggrubbish@web.de><5536eac6050505152373c5db74@mail.gmail.com><dave9191.1okzua@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><makhand.1voo8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><MichalVD.1wbhja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4340EB9F.9000806@militant.dk><351278b80510031149o739efe15s11ac6ab2fb535e21@mail.gmail.com><adbefcbf0510031204s6ae4834agde43661a7d4931fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4e3346e10510040243v73d26ca2ra88b2a63645dea63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.2082na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have noted that after the disk check is over, there appeared something
like "... is only 2.6%. No further action needed" or something like
that. I couldn't see it properly because the message went away quickly.

Any idea what might have been happening? Was it the "fragmentation
status" of my hard drive (2.6% fragmented)? Where can I lookup this
info in my system (any logfile?)


-- 
anil_robo



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 06:54:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Severe Slowdown When Nautilus Active
References: <43A48496.5080600@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <poptones.2084hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>If I just close Nautilus and restart it, the problem comes right back.
>However, if I log out and log back it, Nautilus doesn't slow things
down
>for a few hours.

I had this problem when I was running the pre-release version of
breezy. Is this a fresh install or an upgrade?

Anyway, next time you see it happen try "killall gam_server" after
shutting down nautilus and then see if nautilus still monopolizes your
system without logging out. My bet it's gamin causing your woes.


-- 
poptones



From mdjake at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 07:13:39 2005
From: mdjake at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_Igl=F3i?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:13:39 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Wireless "AP"
Message-ID: <b8fd3ed90512172313h1ff4f1c4m60f876d07f409138@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

At home I have a network topology like this:

Internet
 |
[D-Link router] 192.168.0.254
 |             | | |
eth0      [Machine 1,2,3] 192.168.0.1-3
 |
[Linux-box] 192.168.0.4
 |             |
eth1       ra0
 |             |
LAN       WLAN - (my notebook) 192.168.1.x
(friends
machines)
192.168.0.5-x

So I have a wired router having four computers on it (it's a 4
ethernet port type DLink model). One of these machines is a simple
Linux server which has 3 interfaces: eth0 through it connects to the
wired router, eth1 on which it provides connectivity for my friends
computers and ra0 an rt2500 based wireless card.

eth0 and eth1 are bridged actually with brctl (br0). This way
computers connected to eth1 get DHCP, firewalling and NAT services
directly from the DLink router.

Unfortunately current rt2500 code doesn't support AP mode so I run my
ra0 card in Ad-Hoc mode. I set up a DHCP server on the Linux box to
the wireless connection which also provides masquerading for the wlan
network.
(Note: I've tried to include ra0 in the br0 bridge but that way
wireless performance was unacceptable - maybe my rt2500 card didn't
have proper promisc mode support)

I managed to configure this entire setup successfully but I'd like to
achieve one more thing. I'd like to forbid anything except my notebook
to be able to connect to my wlan network. I'd like to do this by
restricting access through mac address filtering. Here's is what I
have now:

As I previously said I run a dhcp3 server on the linux box which
provides 192.168.1.x/24 addresses on the wlan interface. I also set up
SNAT masquerading and ip forwarding (the chain is iptables -t nat -A
POSTROUTING -o br0 -j MASQUERADE).

After experimenting and reading manuals for a few days I managed to
restrict internet access on the wifi net by using the following rules:
iptables -t nat -P PREROUTING DROP #default policy DROP
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s br0 -j ACCEPT #allow connections from
the wired LAN
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s ra0 -m mac --mac-source
00:11:33:e7:52:1a -j ACCEPT # allow only my notebook's NIC to connect
to my wifi network

However I realized that other notebooks with other NICs can still get
DHCP parameters from the dhcp3 server running on the Linux box. I
could configure the server to only serve addresses for my notebook
only but I would prefer if other laptops wouldn't be able to connect
at any level at all - I'd like some rule that drops every packets
coming from other wireless clients with unknown mac addresses. Also I
wouldn't like to restrict my wired LANs in any way.

I have also tried
iptables -A INPUT -i ra0 -m mac --mac-source ! xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx -j DROP
iptables -A FORWARD -i ra0 -m mac --mac-source ! xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx -j DROP
which didn't do what I liked. Maybe because masquerading, maybe
because of the bridged eth0/1 interfaces.



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 07:43:34 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:43:34 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).

No.  This is important.

> I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch

Irrelevant.  We're talking about recent changes that are harming
Ubuntu.  Fedora used to be up there until it did what Ubuntu is now
doing.

> Plus, Ubuntu is still _fully_ customisable, however, it is also
> becoming more ACCESSIBLE (one of Canonical's stated goals is
> accessibility) by becoming more usable.

What does the laudable goal of accessibility have to do with
our objections to hurting Ubuntu by removing Postfix and Mailx?

How does making it near impossible to create a new document
make Ubuntu more usable?  Have you reviewed that comments page?

> Perhaps you didn't experience the whole DOS vs. Mac war in the 1980s,
> so, to summarise: the computer "experts" (pundits) derided the Mac GUI
> for being simplistic, limiting, not keyboard controllable and simply
> not useful (whatever would you do with a MOUSE... drawing pictures?
> Use LOGO! Page layout? Only publishers need LinoTypes). What did
> Microsoft do the instant they cleared up the legal wranglings they had
> with Apple? Copy Mac's GUI down to the last letter (making some pretty
> bad mistakes in the process unfortunately). Why? Because GUI and
> simplicity WORKS.

Pulease.  I worked on the Xerox D-Lion which gave Apple the idea for the
Lisa which evolved into the Mac which, being dumbed down, lost 95%
market share to Windows, which was harder to use but not dumbed down.

Can we get back to our sheep now?  It would be really nice if Dapper's
mail system wasn't borked like Breezy's.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 07:57:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:57:05 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134854367.26193.29.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<harisund.20879y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <bikeboy.20879y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I do have Windows installed on this computer as it was originally set up
to lend to a friend for a while. However since I got full time use of
it, Windows has never been booted :)

Several months and counting...


-- 
bikeboy



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 07:48:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:48:12 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134854367.26193.29.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <harisund.20879y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Dennis Kaarsemaker Wrote: 
> On za, 2005-12-17 at 15:57 -0500, 'Forum Post

> 

> apt-get install mozilla-mplayer w32codecs

> -- 

> Dennis K.

> - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org

> - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl

> 



Could you specify your repositories here? 



harisund at HariDesktop:~$ sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree... Done

E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer



harisund at HariDesktop:~$ sudo apt-get install w32codecs

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree... Done

w32codecs is already the newest version.

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.



Still no music on Ubuntu, and back in Windows just to be able to stream
all kinds of music.


-- 
harisund



From stockertandras at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 08:07:01 2005
From: stockertandras at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=F6ckert_Andr=E1s?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:07:01 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

If they do that they have wrote, than I think I will change distro. I
like Ubuntu, but I don't want to use a system witch thinks that I'm an
idiot, and I can't use a computer if more than one way exist to do a
specific task.

Andrew Stöckert




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sun Dec 18 08:09:45 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:09:45 -0400
Subject: dmesg broken
Message-ID: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com>

everytime i type dmesg i get this

[4414765.991000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 
0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 
0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 
0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 
0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Sun Dec 18 08:12:51 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:51 +1030
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <43A51A03.3040309@internode.on.net>

Mike Bird wrote:

>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
>>you?
>>    
>>
>
>There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
>dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>(Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
>to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
>
>I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
>
>I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
>incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
>not stopped.
>
>--Mike Bird
>
>
>  
>
Hi all,
as a relatively new user, I am still finding my way around Ubuntu and Linux
in general. I as a new user I do get the feeling that Ubuntu is being 
dumbed down,
I thought  that the command line, terminal was central to linux, giving 
the user
2 bites of the apple so to speak, a GUI and a terminal, and I have to 
admit I thought
not being able to access a terminal from right click on desktop was a 
backward step.
Why not keep the menu's with a button to allow access to all the hidden 
applications
similar to "View - show hidden files" and keep the power users happy too?
Take Care
Winton



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 08:16:51 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:16:51 -0500
Subject: Samba problem
In-Reply-To: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
References: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512180016r5829f6b8m983fd4e4dac5d03f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Michael Satterwhite <michael at weblore.com> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm running Samba on Ubuntu linux. I'm trying set it up so that my
> Windows laptop can use my home directory on the linux box. I've
> configured the home directory as follows
>
> [home]
> case sensitive = no
> msdfs proxy = no
> read only = no
> username = michael
> comment = My home directory
> path = /home/michael
>
> When I try to write to the file on my Windows box, however, it shows the
> directory to be read-only. What am I missing?
>
Hello,

Someone may be able to tell you what the problem is, but I think it
would be very helpful to also include the "global" section from your
samba.conf file.  One major thing is that it tells you whether you are
using "user" or "share" type sharing.  Also, what kind of user where
you when you went to edit the file (Admin or non, e.g.).

Good luck,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From T.Six at gmx.de  Sun Dec 18 08:31:36 2005
From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:31:36 +0100
Subject: dmesg broken
In-Reply-To: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com>
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>

David Gonzalez Rivera schrieb am 18.12.2005 09:09:
> everytime i type dmesg i get this
> 
> [4414765.991000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
> known.
> [4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code
> 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> [4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
> known.
> [4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code
> 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> [4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
> known.
> [4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code
> 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> [4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
> known.
> [4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code
> 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
> [4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
> known.
> 
> 


I´m resending a mail from this list:


John Nicholls schrieb am 08.12.2005 02:26:

>> In Breezy pressing and releasing the up arrow key produces these errors
>> in the system log:
>>
>> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>> pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Use
>> 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>> released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>> Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Use
>> 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>>
>> The key works as it should but these error messages clutter up the
>> syslog. The keyboard is a standard 104-key US English. This does not
>> occur on the same computer with Warty or Hoary.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>> John
>>
>>


sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove

This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.

bye Thilo





From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 18 08:57:04 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:57:04 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A51A03.3040309@internode.on.net>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<43A51A03.3040309@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <20051218085704.GA18161@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:42:51PM +1030, squareyes wrote:
> >
> I thought  that the command line, terminal was central to linux, giving 
> the user
> 2 bites of the apple so to speak, a GUI and a terminal, and I have to 
> admit I thought
> not being able to access a terminal from right click on desktop was a 
> backward step.

  sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From magnus at therning.org  Sun Dec 18 09:14:13 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:14:13 +0000
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
In-Reply-To: <4fee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
	<4fee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051218091413.GA5608@die.therning.org>

On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:01:40PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
>Magnus Therning wrote:
>
>> Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
>> non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
>> SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):
>> 
>>  /dev/sda7 -> /boot
>>  /dev/sda8 -> /
>> 
>> Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
>> that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.
>> 
>> Grub entry:
>> 
>>  title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
>>  root            (hd0,6)
>>  kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
>>  initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
>>  savedefault
>>  boot
>> 
>> Any idea on how to solve it?
>> 
>
>Not really - it's what I saw with the earlier 2.6.15 kernels, though I think
>the actual fix was in udev.  I'm now using 2.6.15-8-686 (note the 686) and
>udev 077-0ubuntu5 and the problem's gone away.  Otherwise, you might need
>an earlier kernel (the previous one I'd used was 2.6.12-9-686).

Those are the exact versions that are shipped with the Dapper FT2 CD
(well, since I'm on a AMD machine I tried k7).

I'm downloading the kernel sources while writing this to see if I can
find a way to solve it...

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not
conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true.
     -- Albert Einstein
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 09:12:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:12:34 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] installer doesn't recognize my laptop SATA HDD
References: <acf3da3005081410141500fa13@mail.gmail.com><1124041980.4672.26.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<acf3da3005081500005092f0fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Patrick.He.208aza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I encountered the same problem when I tried to install Breezy and Dapper
on my Toshiba Portege S100 notebook. Anybody can give me some advices?
Or I have to install Gentoo Linux on my notebook?


-- 
Patrick He



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 09:22:44 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:22:44 +0200
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134864182.13987.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860160.2024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134860718.9235.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A4A0F9.8060404@videotron.ca>
	<1134864182.13987.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1134897764.9476.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 17:03 -0700, mjewell wrote:
> > >Yes, its weird.  Konqueror worked okay under Mandriva linux, and Firefox
> > >works fine from the Windows XP Pro partition --- same machine.  Email is
> > >fine.  Pinging the sites from a terminal is fine.   
> > >
> > >I have the same trouble as far as I can tell it's a Firefox bug because
> > >others also have the same trouble in ms windows with firefox. I have seen it with many distros and like you all my other browsers and my network and internet connections are just fine. I noticed the "bug" in the last 2 or 3 versions of firefox however it seems worse (imo) in 1.0.7 Perhaps there is a hack or fix but I'm still looking, I'll post when/if I find one of course.
> > > 
> 
> Is there a workaround for Ubuntu? --- My distro did not load any other
> browser.  I'm nervous to try upgrading to 1.5 because the distro did not
> upgrade automatically.
> 
> This problem is so bad that my browser is basically useless at work.
> Everything else is great, and I don't want to have to go back to XP Pro
> over something so small.  
> 
> 

Try installing some other browser, opera for example.




From ed at fletcher.ca  Sun Dec 18 09:48:37 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:48:37 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Severe Slowdown When Nautilus Active
In-Reply-To: <poptones.2084hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A48496.5080600@fletcher.ca>
	<poptones.2084hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A53075.8050202@fletcher.ca>

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'Forum Post wrote:
|>If I just close Nautilus and restart it, the problem comes right back.
|>However, if I log out and log back it, Nautilus doesn't slow things
|
| down
|
|>for a few hours.
|
|
| I had this problem when I was running the pre-release version of
| breezy. Is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
|
| Anyway, next time you see it happen try "killall gam_server" after
| shutting down nautilus and then see if nautilus still monopolizes your
| system without logging out. My bet it's gamin causing your woes.

This computer was upgraded from Hoary.

I'll try your suggestion as soon as the problem reasserts itself.  It's
running quite well now, of course.  :-|

I hope that gam isn't the cause though.  I remember all the fun that I
had under Warty with fam not finishing tasks and making it very
difficult to unmount a usb drive.  I was very happy when Hoary went with
gam because that fixed everything.  (Until now.)

Thanks,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 09:47:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:47:51 -0500
Subject: File System ???
References: <20050712004631.GA11462@secure-mind.net><a0ae100005071118161f56816c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D67757.6010403@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <pioni.208cty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Matt Patterson Wrote: 
> I have had this problem before, but with a windows box, and it would
> occur on a proper shutdown as well as an unplanned poweroff. It was
> caused by a pair of new 160 GB maxtor drives I installed. I tracked it
> down to the fact that the disks were not completing their cache flushes
> before system poweroff. Some drives lie about whether or not they have
> flushed things. On a windows box this is a horrible killer because the
> 

> last thing written is the system registry hive (stupid design in my 

> opinion).

Sorry for a very late reply, but I've seen this same thing happen on a
Windows XP box with a 160GB Maxtor drive. In fact the Maxtor was so bad
that I couldn't use it in XP at all. The drive failed totally in 6
months or so (like all my other Maxtor drives, except two older 80GB
drives I still have left). I lost very important data, because the
backup drive of the failed drive failed before I got a new drive. :mad:




My nearest computer shop doesn't sell Maxtor anymore. They told that
selling stuff that doesn't work is bad for business.


-- 
pioni



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Sun Dec 18 03:12:20 2005
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bryann Melvin)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:12:20 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <E1Entzl-0000rf-Jt@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Entzl-0000rf-Jt@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A4D394.1060201@melvinart.com>

ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

> Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:51 +1030 From: squareyes 
> <squareyes at internode.on.net> Subject: Re: Ubuntu is under attack To: 
> Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> 
> Message-ID: <43A51A03.3040309 at internode.on.net> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mike Bird wrote:
>
>>>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
>>>>>you?
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>
>>>There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
>>>dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>>>(Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
>>>to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
>>>
>>>I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
>>>
>>>I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
>>>incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
>>>not stopped.
>>>
>>>--Mike Bird
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>    
>>
>Hi all,
>as a relatively new user, I am still finding my way around Ubuntu and Linux
>in general. I as a new user I do get the feeling that Ubuntu is being 
>dumbed down,
>I thought  that the command line, terminal was central to linux, giving 
>the user
>2 bites of the apple so to speak, a GUI and a terminal, and I have to 
>admit I thought
>not being able to access a terminal from right click on desktop was a 
>backward step.
>Why not keep the menu's with a button to allow access to all the hidden 
>applications
>similar to "View - show hidden files" and keep the power users happy too?
>Take Care
>Winton
>
>  
>
I think UBUNTU will live or die due to its users not  reviews.

Ubuntu is targeted to be simple to install or use. I use several distros
on different machines, but have seriously considered converting all of
them to ubuntu/kubuntu/xbuntu to make life simple.

many new linux/unix users really don't care about a terminal and are
likely to never use it. Those that need it are likely to put it back
quite easily wherever they want it. (my root and user terminals are on
my panel)

While we're at it I absentmindedly types xman in mine today...hey they
moved the manpages to help...:-)

when did that happen :-)

I want my manpages back in xman...so they scroll with a click...like old
times

Seriously I have several distros besides Ubuntu AND this eCS+x11 machine
i'm on tonight  Ubuntu is just as customizable. Want terminals...get eCS
and add x11 I've got bash tsch ash OS/2 4OS/2 Dos  and a few others...on
this one...along with X11 WPS and WIN/OS2 desktops

Point is the new person coming to Ubuntu Linux isn't entrenched in
command line use. When they get to that point of learning it's easy
enough to add. I would say more streamlined  for a Windows
replacement...not dumbed down...everything is still there you just have
to bring it to the surface.

The biggest "newbie" magazine "TUX" has Ubuntu as a winner...supposedly
from readers choice....and they are KDE pushers...
To me I really don't see much besides surface differences between
distros, but I've been using UNIX (and OS/2) since they both came into
existence (Windows Operating environment and later Operating sytem were
forbidden to use at my work due to insecurity).

Desktop use of Linux needs certain usability factors that aren't always
there. Linux is replaceing more Proprietary Unix and OS/2 stations than
windows particularly as OS/2 (from IBM) is at EOL. Look at the
"Redbooks" on migration from OS/2 and you see the homoginized Red Hat
(KDE and Gnome look the same) desktop. You can read that book and then
jump right in and use the Hoary or Breezy desktop. Look at the users
that are migrating and NEED to use a Linux. These people are the target
for Novell Red Hat Ubuntu etc. Not Developers and people who play around
with it. It's for the masses who NEED the free nonproprietary operating
System, and the Businesses, Banks and government people who have to
Migrate to Linux because Win32 is NOT a preferred option.

If you like Linux be thankful...if it need be simplified for their use
SO Be it. That also has brought Novell IBM etc. into the Linux camp.

This is turning into an editorial.

I'll go back to my semiretired corner :-).

By the way your hidden menu idea reminds me of Windows ME...
Not something to be reminded of.....

I had an ME computer...for about three days...
made a nice cat toy out of that CD


Bryann





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 10:06:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Breezy] Severe Slowdown When Nautilus Active
References: <43A48496.5080600@fletcher.ca><poptones.2084hz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A53075.8050202@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <poptones.208dra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>This computer was upgraded from Hoary.

Bingo. Make sure gamin is the latest version. You might set your
repository to dapper and run an update on that module. I've read
elsewhere of this fixing the problem. as I said I had the same problem
before when i was running the "not quite finished" version; since I am
now using the full version I have not seen the problem reappear at all.
I you can swing it you might just reload from scratch, that will almost
certainly fix the problem.


-- 
poptones



From theine at nordita.dk  Sun Dec 18 10:39:14 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:39:14 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>

> If they do that they have wrote, than I think I will change distro. I
> like Ubuntu, but I don't want to use a system witch thinks that I'm an
> idiot, and I can't use a computer if more than one way exist to do a
> specific task.

Enough already! mailx and postfix are officially supported and a quick 
download from archive.ubuntu.com away. It's not nearly as dramatic as "I'm 
going to switch distros because an MTA is optional and not installed by 
default!" suggests. How many Desktop users actually use an MTA?

Tobi



From clintin at linuxmail.org  Sun Dec 18 11:16:26 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:16:26 -0700
Subject: File System ???
Message-ID: <20051218111626.D9A1843EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

I think if you research it, you will find that WindozeXP does not support anything larger than 130 gigabyte drive (It's a feature not a bug).  As for Maxtor, I have had very few drive failures, I could probably count them on one hand, and this is in being responsible for thousands of desktops in a large school district.  Not a plug for Maxtor but all drive manufacturers have their MTBF factors and all have premature failures that don't meet the MTBF.  Besides that, Windoze not withstanding, it is up to the user to assure that they properly shutdown their computers, should a shutdown or reboot be necessary.  And what are we doing discussing Windoze on a Ubuntu forum????

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: File System ???
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:47:51 -0500

> 
> 
> Matt Patterson Wrote:
> > I have had this problem before, but with a windows box, and it would
> > occur on a proper shutdown as well as an unplanned poweroff. It was
> > caused by a pair of new 160 GB maxtor drives I installed. I tracked it
> > down to the fact that the disks were not completing their cache flushes
> > before system poweroff. Some drives lie about whether or not they have
> > flushed things. On a windows box this is a horrible killer because the
> >
> 
> > last thing written is the system registry hive (stupid design in my
> 
> > opinion).
> 
> Sorry for a very late reply, but I've seen this same thing happen on a
> Windows XP box with a 160GB Maxtor drive. In fact the Maxtor was so bad
> that I couldn't use it in XP at all. The drive failed totally in 6
> months or so (like all my other Maxtor drives, except two older 80GB
> drives I still have left). I lost very important data, because the
> backup drive of the failed drive failed before I got a new drive. :mad:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My nearest computer shop doesn't sell Maxtor anymore. They told that
> selling stuff that doesn't work is bad for business.
> 
> 
> --
> pioni
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sun Dec 18 12:12:28 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:12:28 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 11:39 +0100, Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> Enough already! mailx and postfix are officially supported...
> How many Desktop users actually use an MTA?


I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
for !
So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)


Peace...


--
Vince




From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 12:35:53 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:35:53 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
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On 18/12/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 11:39 +0100, Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> > Enough already! mailx and postfix are officially supported...
> > How many Desktop users actually use an MTA?
>
>
> I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
> Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
> and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
> for !
> So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
> essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
> thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)
>
>
> Peace...

Just to add one more voice to this ever-growing thread, I *do* use
postfix on my (7-member) family PC, but I realise that I'm unusual. I
couldn't care less, really, if it's installed by default or not. It's
just an apt-get away. But I have trouble understanding the position of
the people who believe a PC should have just the minimum bits on it at
all times. My breezy PC has a 250GB hard drive, as does the "other"
unix in the house, Mac OS X. OS X also comes with postfix installed by
default, I don't use it and I don't care. I'm not losing any sleep
over Apple "cluttering up" my Mac with unused stuff.

So, I guess, in sum: I don't care either way and I don't think it's
the end of the world, either.

-Eamonn



From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 18 12:42:39 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:42:39 +0000
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>
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Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 19:57, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
>>
>>>There has been discussions about how to do with
>>>Mail ever since the spring, with the aim to apply the changes for
>>>Breezy.   I suspect the root of mailx not being installed by default
>>>comes from these discussions.  See for example this spec from UDU in
>>>April:
>>>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap
>>
>>That discussion, initiated by MattZimmerman, proposed switching
>>from Exim to Postfix, standardising on Maildir format in a
>>non-standard but sensible ~/.maildir directory, and eventually
>>making all mail apps automagically work together when installed.
>>All excellent points.
>>
>>If there's an official explanation for dumping Postfix and Mailx I
>>haven't found it yet.
> 
> 
> but there was some hints in there about totally getting rid of all
> this for normal users.  See for example at the end:
> 
> "What about replacing the MTA with SSMTP and configure all clients to
> use that as the standard smtp "gateway"? "

I think local delivery (and thus a decent MTA on the system) should be
natural for "normal" users, then you can just leave messages for each
other. This should be configured and set up by default (including
default configuration for things like evolution and thunderbird). This
isn't an *advanced* usage - it's just too difficult for most people to
configure. That isn't an argument for making it *harder* to do, it's an
argument for doing the configuration for them since local messaging
should be so natural for people. That difficult things should be removed
instead of made easy is bizarre - that is what appliances are for and
that needs a complete redesign of the GUI away from the desktop idea.
There is more to life than the internet - many people can't even afford
the internet but they should still have local messaging.

> This sounds like  getting rid of postfix all together and have only by
> default applications that can talk to a smtp server directly (which I
> believe is not case of mailx).

and read maildir folders. I agree there is no need for the sendmail
commandline program in the default install (but I think it should be in
main) as long as a local delivery MTA is installed and configured by
default, preferably with evolution and thunderbird setting up accounts
using that maildir on first use. That MTA should be one that can also be
reconfigured for more complex delivery actions so you don't have to make
big changes to your system as you become a more advanced user - I think
postfix is ideal.

I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
use to point to it.

These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
makes Ubuntu *difficult*.

It would also help to standardise Ubuntu set ups on these default
daemons, which would be really useful for targetting new features and
support.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Sun Dec 18 12:59:39 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:29:39 +1030
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051218085704.GA18161@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<43A51A03.3040309@internode.on.net>
	<20051218085704.GA18161@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>

David Hart wrote:

>On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:42:51PM +1030, squareyes wrote:
>  
>
>>I thought  that the command line, terminal was central to linux, giving 
>>the user
>>2 bites of the apple so to speak, a GUI and a terminal, and I have to 
>>admit I thought
>>not being able to access a terminal from right click on desktop was a 
>>backward step.
>>    
>>
>
>  sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
>
>  
>
Hi,
thanks for that, installed immediately, I realise terminal can be opened 
from
Applications-Accessories, but it would be a great idea to have it right 
from install.
Thanks again.
Take Care
Winton



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 13:20:40 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:20:40 -0300
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051218030310.GA14004@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051218030310.GA14004@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1134912040.6711.22.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

MTA is important, I vote 'yes'.
Have you talked to the Devel guys? 

#ubuntu-devel in IRC
-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

[I dream of things that never were and say 'Why Not?']
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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec 18 13:25:04 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:25:04 +0100
Subject: edubuntu flight 2 CD
Message-ID: <1134912305.3397.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello tester community,

As always, a little later than the other Ubuntu flavours, the Edubuntu
team is happy to announce the first milestone CD image in the Dapper
development cycle.

Europe:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/

United Kingdom, and the rest of the world:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/

Please download using BitTorrent if possible, and see
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive for other mirrors.

Apart from the notable changes in this release that apply to all Ubuntu
flavours, noted in:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-December/060506.html
the following additional enhancements have gone into this CD images:

- Themed graphical login manager for the LTSP clients (select your 
  themes by setting the "default" symlink 
  in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/usr/share/ldm/themes/ to the theme you like, 
  community theme submissions would be highly appreciated).

- Preparation for the Ubuntu boot splash on LTSP clients (usplash is 
  not installed by default in the client chroot yet, you need to chroot 
  into it and install it manually).

- Support for multiple architectures for the LTSP clients. It is now 
  possible to build the client chroot on AMD64 systems for i386 clients 
  by running 'sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386' post install.

- The first Edubuntu live CD has finally made it, it contains all of 
  the Edubuntu workstation install and is available for all 3 supported 
  architectures.

- Support for the PowerPC architecture (currently only the workstation 
  install works flawless due to a bug in LTSP, fixes for this are 
  pending).

- A slightly faster boot process of the thin clients, there is more to 
  come, stay tuned!

Known issues (beyond the ones stated in the Ubuntu flight 2 announcement
linked above):

- The artwork has some bugs in the default setup, so your install will 
  currently rather look like an Ubuntu install (apart from the 
  bootsplash). Select the Edubuntu wallpaper and the Gartoon icon 
  theme manually.

- The PowerPC install still fails during LTSP setup in the first stage 
  of the install, please skip this step and go on with the install as 
  usual.

- Due to a problem with the locale settings paired with a bug in 
  bringing up the network interfaces, the install fails in languages 
  other than English. If your system is connected to the Internet, 
  please use the Language Selector after installation to download 
  language packs.

If you are interested in following changes as we further develop Dapper,
have a look at the dapper-changes list:

  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/dapper-changes

We also suggest that you subscribe to the ubuntu-devel-announce list if
you are interested in following Ubuntu development. This is a
low-traffic
list (a few posts a week) carrying announcements of approved
specifications, policy changes, alpha releases, and other interesting
events. Future Flight CD announcements may only go to this list.

  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce

The Testing area of the wiki suggests various tests that can be
performed on Flight CD releases to try to catch bugs so that 
they can be fixed before for the final release:

  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu

Bug reports should go to Bugzilla for now (although we intend to switch
over to
Launchpad's bug tracking facilities soon):

  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/

Have fun with testing and bugfiling,

Oliver Grawert

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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Dec 18 13:43:00 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:43:00 -0500
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
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On 12/18/05, Mauricio Hernandez Z. <mhz.chile at gmail.com> wrote:
> MTA is important, I vote 'yes'.
> Have you talked to the Devel guys?

Absolutely. Some of us would like to use MUAs that don't suck, like Mutt.

Plus, mailx is used to send email from scripts all of the time. These
people dumbing-down Linux and making it less useful are making me want
to go use FreeBSD.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From beast2k at videotron.ca  Sun Dec 18 13:51:10 2005
From: beast2k at videotron.ca (Beast2k)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:51:10 -0500
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A5694E.3000809@videotron.ca>

I tried this "fix" last night and it seems to have done the job nicely
thanks. I've been subscribed to this list barely 2 days and already it's
been useful. thanks for the info Peter

mjewell wrote:

>On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 10:49 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
>  
>
>>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
>>mjewell <mjewell at openmissoula.org> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>No settings were changed, and Firefox (1.07) is loading all pages slowly
>>>to the point of timing out before the page can be loaded.     
>>>      
>>>
>>This may or may not solve your problem, but it's worth a try
>>
>>Open
>>
>>about:config
>>
>>in the location field, then in the search field put "ipv6"  (without the
>>quotes). Change
>>
>>network.dns.disableIPv6   to  "true"    and restart firefox (not sure if
>>the restart is needed, but that can't hurt either ;)
>>
>>Some people's ISPs haven't quite got IPv6 right, apparently (according to
>>what I've heard - please correct me, someone, if I've misunderstood )
>>
>>This change has made a dramatic difference for several people to whom I
>>suggested it on IRC.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Thx, Peter --
>This sounds promising!  Which directory has the file that need
>editing?  
>
>PS love the Stephenson quote.
>
>
>  
>



From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Dec 18 13:52:54 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Message-ID: <fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to add one more voice to this ever-growing thread, I *do* use
> postfix on my (7-member) family PC, but I realise that I'm unusual. I

As am I.

> couldn't care less, really, if it's installed by default or not. It's
> just an apt-get away. But I have trouble understanding the position of
> the people who believe a PC should have just the minimum bits on it at
> all times. My breezy PC has a 250GB hard drive, as does the "other"
> unix in the house, Mac OS X. OS X also comes with postfix installed by
> default, I don't use it and I don't care. I'm not losing any sleep
> over Apple "cluttering up" my Mac with unused stuff.

I guess Apple doesn't consider their users to be idiots then. We can't
give our users options. It might confuse them. Forget my confusion
over wondering where the hell the terminal went, and who the hell
decided to get rid of it from a right click. Ah well, Gnome sucks
anyway. apt-get install fluxbox, says I.

I do remember a point where the goal of Linux was to make software
that doesn't suck. I'm not sure where that goal went but I want it
back. I think it might be alive and well in Debian.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Dec 18 13:55:32 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:55:32 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<43A51A03.3040309@internode.on.net>
	<20051218085704.GA18161@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>
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On 12/18/05, squareyes <squareyes at internode.on.net> wrote:
> >  sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
> >
> thanks for that, installed immediately

I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.

Perhaps an expert mode in the installer would help too, that pulls in
a lot of packages that Linux users with experience might want. Oh,
wait, that's another option, and hence a choice. Can't have that. It
might confuse people.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 18 14:03:52 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:03:52 +1100
Subject: copying CD's
Message-ID: <43A56C48.1000000@optusnet.com.au>

Either use K3B (a gui for the various cd and dvd burning programs in 
linux) or else the command:

growisofs -Z  /dev/hdb=/dev/hdd

For me /dev/hdb is the burner and /dev/hdd is the source drive, if it is 
different for you substitue in different devices



From theine at nordita.dk  Sun Dec 18 14:35:11 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:35:11 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512181535.11982.theine@nordita.dk>

> I guess Apple doesn't consider their users to be idiots then. We can't
> give our users options. It might confuse them.

Ubuntu *does* give you options, many of them are just not installed by default 
or included on the install CD. So what's the big fucking deal? If you 
consider yourself to be an expert, power, or whatever user, you surely have 
no problems to install nautilus-open-terminal and mailx, now do you?

> Forget my confusion over wondering where the hell the terminal went,
> and who the hell decided to get rid of it from a right click. Ah well, Gnome
> sucks anyway. apt-get install fluxbox, says I.

Nobody got rid of that feature, it's just left as an option. There's actually 
a big difference. And again, who makes a big deal out of not being able to 
launch a terminal via right click out of the box?

Tobi



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 15:03:56 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:03:56 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
	<e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512180703o3be42626t@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/12/05, Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca> wrote:

>  Forget my confusion
> over wondering where the hell the terminal went, and who the hell
> decided to get rid of it from a right click


If you're a power user, you should try this thing called 'google' that
I hear is very good....

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From note.comp at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 15:05:36 2005
From: note.comp at gmail.com (Jettana Mutchakwang)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:05:36 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu rematering problem.
Message-ID: <32e65bbc0512180705p18be77bds24cb9bc83df3f5af@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,

I try to build my own install cd.I read howto build it form
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo and
http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuRemastering. I do step by
step.When I install my own cd that has error at
Configure apt step.

This is my step on Ubuntu 5.10:

# sudo -s
# cd /home/jettana
# apt-get source ubuntu-keyring
# cd ubuntu-keyring-2005.01.11/keyring
# gpg --import < ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
# gpg --list-keys "Jettana Mutchakwnag"
# gpg --export  FBB75451 437D05B5 MYID > ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
# cd ..
# dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -m"Jettana Mutchakwang
<note_jettana at hotmail.com>"
# mkdir /home/old
# mkdir /home/rebuild
# rsync -azvb --delete --backup-dir=/home/old/ /media/cdrom0 /home/rebuild
# cd /home/rebuild
# mkdir -p dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386 pool/extras/
# vi dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Release
 Release file :
      Archive: breezy
      Version: 5.10
      Component: extras
      Origin: Ubuntu
      Label: Ubuntu
     Architecture: i386
# cp /home/jettana/ubuntu-keyring*deb /home/rebuild/pool/extras/
# apt-ftparchive packages  /home/rebuild/pool/extras/ >
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Packages
# apt-ftparchive -c ../apt.conf release /home/rebuild/dists/breezy >
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release
# gpg --output  /home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release.gpg -ba
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release
# mkisofs -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot
-boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -hide-rr-moved -o myInstallCD.iso
-R /home/rebuild

When I burn it and try to install that have error  at step of "Configure
apt".

syslog file in /var/log/syslog :

 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Falling back to the package
description for multiseat-udeb
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Falling back to the package
description for multiseat-udeb
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' selected
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: configure apt-setup-udeb, status: 2
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: configure
target-base-system, status: 0
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: virtual package target-base-system
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Using CD-ROM mount point /cdrom/
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Identifying..
[cfab1eecdc1a8a7b07b9c6568f4410e2-2]
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Scanning disc for index files..
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Found 3 package indexes, 0 source
indexes and 1 signatures
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Found label 'Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy
Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)'
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: This disc is called:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: 'Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ -
Release i386 (20051012)'
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Copying package lists...
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): gpgv:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): Signature made Sat 17
 Dec 2005 03:13:47 PM ICT using DSA key ID 93B9BE3F
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): gpgv:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): Can't check
signature: public key not found
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): E: Sub-process
gpgv returned an error code (2)
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): W: Signature
verification failed for: /cdrom/dists/breezy/Release.gpg
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: WARNING **: Configuring
'apt-setup-udeb' failed with error code 1
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: WARNING **: Menu item
'apt-setup-udeb' failed.
 Dec 17 16:14:45 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Modifying debconf priority
limit from 'high' to 'medium'
 Dec 17 16:14:45 debconf: Setting debconf/priority to medium


how to solve this problem?




Jettana Mutchakwang
Thailand.



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Sun Dec 18 15:11:09 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:11:09 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
	<e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134918669.7175.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

sön 2005-12-18 klockan 12:35 +0000 skrev Eamonn Sullivan:

> Just to add one more voice to this ever-growing thread, I *do* use
> postfix on my (7-member) family PC, but I realise that I'm unusual. I
> couldn't care less, really, if it's installed by default or not. It's
> just an apt-get away. But I have trouble understanding the position of
> the people who believe a PC should have just the minimum bits on it at
> all times. My breezy PC has a 250GB hard drive, as does the "other"
> unix in the house, Mac OS X. OS X also comes with postfix installed by
> default, I don't use it and I don't care. I'm not losing any sleep
> over Apple "cluttering up" my Mac with unused stuff.
> 
> So, I guess, in sum: I don't care either way and I don't think it's
> the end of the world, either.

The basic issue is that it isn't cost-free to include by default.
There's two points I can see:

First, Ubuntu comes on one CD. That is a pretty big selling point,
actually, that you get a fully usable system without having to download
multiple CD:s. That also means you can have a Live CD with all the same
features and applications as the full install. But in the vast unverse
of available Linux packages, one CD (650Mb) is but a drop in a bucket.
Any package that is included means some other package needs to be
relegated to Universe (and an optional install). The packages that are
included right on the CD need to be chosen very carefully; if there is a
different package with more widespread usability for people, that should
be substituted.

Second, any daemon running on a system, listening on a port, is another
potential security hole - and an MTA is such a daemon. It's one more
package that may get people into trouble if there turns out to be a
security issue that they haven't downloaded an update fotr. If most
installs do not need an MTA - and if getting it is one apt-get away in
any case - then it makes a great deal of sense not to have it enabled by
default, and thus also not to have it included on the CD.



-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From norman at littletank.org  Sun Dec 18 16:04:33 2005
From: norman at littletank.org (Norman Silverstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:04:33 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1134921873.21863.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
> Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
> and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
> for !
> So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
> essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
> thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)

I thoroughly agree.

Norman




From m_epling at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 16:04:59 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:04:59 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512181535.11982.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<e40e29dd0512180435m6176f311p@mail.gmail.com>	<fb6605670512180552y7ef818c1j699f25c27217191b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512181535.11982.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <43A588AB.6010409@comcast.net>

  i agree . the cd only has 700 megs of realistate . they try to keep 
that below 650 megs because not every one can burn a large iso .  they 
can only put a limited amount of packages on a cd . 

Tobias Heinemann wrote:

>>I guess Apple doesn't consider their users to be idiots then. We can't
>>give our users options. It might confuse them.
>>    
>>
>
>Ubuntu *does* give you options, many of them are just not installed by default 
>or included on the install CD. So what's the big fucking deal? If you 
>consider yourself to be an expert, power, or whatever user, you surely have 
>no problems to install nautilus-open-terminal and mailx, now do you?
>
>  
>
>>Forget my confusion over wondering where the hell the terminal went,
>>and who the hell decided to get rid of it from a right click. Ah well, Gnome
>>sucks anyway. apt-get install fluxbox, says I.
>>    
>>
>
>Nobody got rid of that feature, it's just left as an option. There's actually 
>a big difference. And again, who makes a big deal out of not being able to 
>launch a terminal via right click out of the box?
>
>Tobi
>
>  
>

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From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 16:08:48 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:08:48 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
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References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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> I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
> groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
> use to point to it.
>
> These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
> right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
> having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
> and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
> makes Ubuntu *difficult*.

I'm not sure there is a big demand for this. How many people nowadays
even know what a nntp server is, and have never accessed newsgroups...



--
Daniel Robitaille



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sun Dec 18 16:27:19 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:27:19 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <harisund.20879y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:48 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Dennis Kaarsemaker Wrote: 
> > On za, 2005-12-17 at 15:57 -0500, 'Forum Post
> > 
> > apt-get install mozilla-mplayer w32codecs
> > -- 
> > Dennis K.
> > - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
> > - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
> > 
> Could you specify your repositories here? 
> harisund at HariDesktop:~$ sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
> 
> harisund at HariDesktop:~$ sudo apt-get install w32codecs
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> w32codecs is already the newest version.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Still no music on Ubuntu, and back in Windows just to be able to stream
> all kinds of music.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/misc/mozilla-mplayer

It is in multiverse on breezy.

As for the w32codecs, it appears you already have them all installed.

Which application can you not stream audio in and what format is the
audio?
-- 
                                                   brian at brianpuccio.net
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sun Dec 18 16:47:22 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:47:22 +0100
Subject: Seveas repositories name warning. (FreeNX)
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On za, 2005-12-17 at 16:39 +0100, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On vr, 2005-12-16 at 11:00 +0000, neil woolford wrote:
> 
> > Is this a permanent change, in which case should I update my
> > repositories list, or a temporary problem?
> 
> Permanent, the main purpose of this repository is that it's my
> playground so things like this may (and will) happen. In this case it's
> because I'm switching to dapper soon and breezy-seveas would than be
> ridiculous :)

But of course there was a flaw im my logic there, so it's changed back.
And worse, lots of sections changed their name :)

-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 16:59:11 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:59:11 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 04:12, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
> Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
> and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
> for !
> So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
> essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
> thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)

This is frightening.  Do you have any idea what you're missing?

Mail provides your daily report of the anti-virus scan of your
hard drive.  You do scan your hard drive regularly don't you?
You do want to have some kind of heads up if viruses are getting
in to your system?  You don't want to be sharing viruses via
Samba or FTP or email do you?  You do want to know if clamscan
accidently deleted something important?

Mail provides your daily report that you forgot to configure
tmpreaper.  You did install tmpreaper didn't you?  What, you
reboot when your /tmp is full?

Mail provides your daily report of your backup to tape, to DVD,
or via rsync.  You do backup your system don't you?  You want
to know if the backup is too big for the DVD, or if a tape
write failed?

Mail provides your hourly report of your anti-virus definition
updates.  You want to know when you're protected against that
new worm that you just read about.  More importantly, you want
to know if a firewall or proxy server somewhere is borked and
preventing your regular anti-virus definition updates.

When one of your hard drive mirrors breaks, mail tells you.  You
do mirror all your hard drives don't you?  We do, except laptops.
It's a heck of a lot cheaper to install a second drive than to
recover from a drive crash.  All drives crash.

I understand that mail can also tell you when a hard drive is
close to failure, using SMART monitoring.  I confess I haven't
seen this happen yet.

All those are standard reports from Linux desktops.  Most
servers generate more.  Some desktops generate more if you
have particularly applications installed.  If you're not
setting up mail properly on your Ubuntu installations
then you're doing a disservice to your clients, family,
and friends.

Now some people will want those emails delivered to their guru -
- the guy or gal who installed Ubuntu for them and answers the
difficult questions for them.  In poorer countries without
Internet access, people will probably want those emails
delivered locally.  Most newbies trying Ubuntu on their own
will probably want their emails sent to "me at myisp.com" so
that they arrive in their regular message stream without having
to check a second mail account.  Postfix can do all that very
easily.

By default, postfix need only listen on 127.0.0.1.  There's no
security downside to running postfix.  Nor is postfix difficult
to install - it's pretty much point and click in debconf.  Nor
is postfix difficult to maintain - it just does its job quietly.

Why was Ubuntu broken?  All we've had thus far on this list
are a lot of complaints about postfix being removed and a few
people saying that they didn't know that mail is important.

Now I'm not particularly interested in lynching the culprit.
What should happen is that one of the Ubuntu leaders should
get on this list right away and assure us that this will be
fixed for Dapper and that measures will be put in place so
that know-nothings cannot again throw out critical functions
on religious grounds without warning or reasoned discussion.

--Mike Bird




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sun Dec 18 17:13:52 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:13:52 -0400
Subject: dmesg broken
In-Reply-To: <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com> <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A598D0.4030505@davidgonz.com>

Thilo Six wrote:

>David Gonzalez Rivera schrieb am 18.12.2005 09:09:
>  
>
>>everytime i type dmesg i get this
>>
>>[4414765.991000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
>>known.
>>[4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code
>>0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>[4414884.872000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
>>known.
>>[4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code
>>0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>[4414885.005000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
>>known.
>>[4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code
>>0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>[4414984.348000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
>>known.
>>[4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code
>>0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>[4414984.496000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it
>>known.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>I´m resending a mail from this list:
>
>
>John Nicholls schrieb am 08.12.2005 02:26:
>
>  
>
>>>In Breezy pressing and releasing the up arrow key produces these errors
>>>in the system log:
>>>
>>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>>>pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Use
>>>'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>>>released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Use
>>>'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>>>
>>>The key works as it should but these error messages clutter up the
>>>syslog. The keyboard is a standard 104-key US English. This does not
>>>occur on the same computer with Warty or Hoary.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions?
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>
>sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove
>
>This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
>search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.
>
>bye Thilo
>
>
>
>  
>
thanks, that fixed it :D, had to give it a restart :)



From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 18 17:29:22 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:29:22 +0000
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512180808o44a2bae5j7b9694637e27a51c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>	<do3lea$62k$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<e453abbe0512180808o44a2bae5j7b9694637e27a51c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <do467t$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org>

Daniel Robitaille wrote:
>>I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
>>groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
>>use to point to it.
>>
>>These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
>>right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
>>having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
>>and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
>>makes Ubuntu *difficult*.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure there is a big demand for this. How many people nowadays
> even know what a nntp server is, and have never accessed newsgroups...
> 

How many people know what php and asp are? Millions still use them every
day for forums and messaging over internet connections. If you ask
someone if they would like to be able to use nntp on their machines they
might respond "What's NNTP?", but ask the same person, "Would you like
to leave messages for other people that use the computer, so they can
all see the message and leave answers for when you're next around?" and
rather more people will answer "Yeah, that might come in handy,"
especially in a community that all share one computer. If you let them
use it for a couple of years (making it really easy to get started) then
I reckon you'll get answers more like "I really want that feature, it's
turned out to be useful." It would be really useful for things like
building shopping lists - so if you want something, you just start a
thread for the next weekly shop and people drop messages on the thread
to add stuff to the list - then you don't forget anything. But few
families would realise you could even *do* that let alone put it to good
use.

Most people when asked if they wanted a computer used to say, "I've
already got a telephone and television, I don't need a computer," now
they say a resounding "Yes!". Most people don't think about knew ways of
doing things, but introduce them to it and before long they'll wonder
how they ever managed without, and it will become an essential feature
of a novice user's computer. Postfix and a simple NNTP server won't get
in anybody's way, aren't very big as packages and aren't big memory/disk
user's, but when people realise that they can even *do* what these
programs help them to do without needing an "Advanced Server" system and
an MCSA they'll be really grateful.

Most people won't use OOo-Base, OOo-Impress, OOo-Math, Gnome Text
Editor, Calculator (they'd rather use the one on the desk), most of the
gnome-games (probably just solitaire and minesweeper because those are
the ones they already know about), etc. How many would actually tell you
they needed to change the desktop theme, or use the Sessions preference,
about me, or change the mouse double-click timing. Yet these things are
all there because while users don't always have visions of what
computers could compute/process on their behalf, they still recognise
the value of those things when they find them and try them out.

My parents have had a Windows PC since 1992/3 and they have *never* used
notepad or write/wordpad even though they knew they were there, but I
wouldn't for one second suggest removing wordpad. They wouldn't have
even thought of email as being useful, but get them to try talking to
their sons through text for free, leaving a message at any time of day
or night, and they love it and couldn't imagine it not being available.

If you sit around waiting for your users to foresee the utility of a new
feature you'll never have a useful system.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From list.account at gmx.net  Sun Dec 18 17:42:34 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (list.account at gmx.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:34 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <op.s1zp48ns3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>

once more.

------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------
Von: "René " <list.account at gmx.net>
An: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Betreff: slower and slower
Datum: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:27:57 +0100

hi all
does it truly has to be like that?
yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
with Warty the machine started up nicely.
with Hoary the startup became already slower.
and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
(black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for long,
waiting there for some more seconds)
of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and slower
with every release?
i specifically hated Windows for that.
what to do on that?
kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?
thanks for suggestions,
regards,
René





From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 17:48:58 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:48:58 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <do467t$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
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> >>I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
> >>groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
> >>use to point to it.
> >>
> >>These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
> >>right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
> >>having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
> >>and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
> >>makes Ubuntu *difficult*.

If you feel so strongly about this, one of the best way to reach the
Ubuntu developpers is to file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, with the
severity of "enhancement" about this.

Chances that they see your request are a lot higher in the bugzilla
than in this thread on this high-volume mailing list.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 17:53:19 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:53:19 -0800
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>

> does it truly has to be like that?
> yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
> my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
> with Warty the machine started up nicely.
> with Hoary the startup became already slower.
> and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
> (black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for long,
> waiting there for some more seconds)
> of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
> still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and slower
> with every release?
> i specifically hated Windows for that.
> what to do on that?
> kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?
> thanks for suggestions,
> regards,
> René

I can't say I remember seeing Ubuntu getting slower between Hoary and
Breezy.  And I don't have a top of the line PC either.  I wonder why
it's doing that on your system.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Sun Dec 18 18:04:59 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:59 -0500
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <43A5A4CB.8070306@cfl.rr.com>

Holy flame war!  This thread has gone crazy.  I don't feel like ubuntu 
needs a local MTA, in fact, I've allways felt it kind of odd to have 
one.  Your typical home user has absolutely no need for it.  If they 
want to leave notes they can make a shared text file to edit, and put a 
link to it on their desktop.  Otherwise, they don't care about the 
output of cron jobs.

I run ubuntu on a server at work.  I set up a few cron jobs to perform 
automatic backups.  I don't miss a local MTA at all.  If I really want 
to log the output of the cron jobs, I can simply redirect the output to 
a log file.  I never really understood why cron emails you the log 
instead of just moving it to your ~/.cronjobs or something.

Rather few people want or care about a local MTA, and those that do can 
easily install one.  I don't think it is asking too much that system 
administrators notice that there is no MTA by default, and so if they 
really want one, to install it.


David wrote:
> I've just done my second fresh install of Breezy (both for friends). 
> Apparently the "mail" unix command is missing! These seems really odd. 
> Have I missed something obvious?
> 
> It's not available from apt and I thought it was a basic shell command.
> 
> It's still there on two other machines that I upgraded from Hoary.
> /usr/bin/mail
> 
> David.
> 




From zinzolin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 18:09:13 2005
From: zinzolin at gmail.com (Nicolas Cornet)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:09:13 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec39452e0512181009x297f26c9w2ae5944b07f9e6c4@mail.gmail.com>

I also noticed a strong difference. Breezy is much slowerL.
Nicolas

On 12/18/05, Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > does it truly has to be like that?
> > yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
> > my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
> > with Warty the machine started up nicely.
> > with Hoary the startup became already slower.
> > and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
> > (black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for long,
> > waiting there for some more seconds)
> > of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
> > still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and
> slower
> > with every release?
> > i specifically hated Windows for that.
> > what to do on that?
> > kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?
> > thanks for suggestions,
> > regards,
> > René
>
> I can't say I remember seeing Ubuntu getting slower between Hoary and
> Breezy.  And I don't have a top of the line PC either.  I wonder why
> it's doing that on your system.
>
>
> --
> Daniel Robitaille
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From list.account at gmx.net  Sun Dec 18 18:13:29 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:13:29 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.s1zrkr0hbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>

> Am 18.12.2005, 18:53 Uhr, schrieb Daniel Robitaille  
> <robitaille at gmail.com>:

>> does it truly has to be like that?
>> yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
>> my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
>> with Warty the machine started up nicely.
>> with Hoary the startup became already slower.
>> and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
>> (black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for long,
>> waiting there for some more seconds)
>> of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
>> still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and  
>> slower with every release?
>> i specifically hated Windows for that.
>> what to do on that?
>> kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?

> I can't say I remember seeing Ubuntu getting slower between Hoary and
> Breezy.  And I don't have a top of the line PC either.  I wonder why
> it's doing that on your system.
> Daniel Robitaille

that i wonder too! nothing has changed in the hardware configuration.



From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 18 18:40:30 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:40:30 +0000
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512180948g68ecb34dtf785d6b9ef8f7390@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>	<do3lea$62k$1@sea.gmane.org>	<e453abbe0512180808o44a2bae5j7b9694637e27a51c@mail.gmail.com>	<do467t$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org>
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Daniel Robitaille wrote:
>>>>I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
>>>>groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
>>>>use to point to it.
>>>>
>>>>These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
>>>>right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
>>>>having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
>>>>and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
>>>>makes Ubuntu *difficult*.
> 
> 
> If you feel so strongly about this, one of the best way to reach the
> Ubuntu developpers is to file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, with the
> severity of "enhancement" about this.
> 
> Chances that they see your request are a lot higher in the bugzilla
> than in this thread on this high-volume mailing list.

Good point, will do. Although, I think bugzilla.ubuntu.com is for breezy
bugs, while malone is for dapper ones. So I'll go to malone - I suspect
that means writing a spec.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From maihem at maihem.org  Sun Dec 18 18:46:04 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:46:04 +0000
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <op.s1zrkr0hbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>	<e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s1zrkr0hbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <do4anl$ucq$1@sea.gmane.org>

René wrote:
>> Am 18.12.2005, 18:53 Uhr, schrieb Daniel Robitaille 
>> <robitaille at gmail.com>:
> 
> 
>>> does it truly has to be like that?
>>> yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
>>> my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
>>> with Warty the machine started up nicely.
>>> with Hoary the startup became already slower.
>>> and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
>>> (black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for long,
>>> waiting there for some more seconds)
>>> of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
>>> still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and 
>>> slower with every release?
>>> i specifically hated Windows for that.
>>> what to do on that?
>>> kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?
> 
> 
>> I can't say I remember seeing Ubuntu getting slower between Hoary and
>> Breezy.  And I don't have a top of the line PC either.  I wonder why
>> it's doing that on your system.
>> Daniel Robitaille
> 
> 
> that i wonder too! nothing has changed in the hardware configuration.
> 

I remember seeing somebody have a problem due to DMA not being enabled
in breezy, while it was in hoary. Perhaps this is a similar problem?

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From jasonrkr at charter.net  Sun Dec 18 18:57:36 2005
From: jasonrkr at charter.net (Jason Riker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:57:36 -0800
Subject: Hello from an Ubuntu newbie
Message-ID: <1134932256.4550.8.camel@megatron>

Hi List!

I'm new to Ubuntu, but not really new to Linux.  I wanted to take a
minute to say hello.  Hello.  

I'm running Dapper Drake on an HP Pavilion dv1340us.  It installed
without problem.  So far everything works, although, I have not tried
the wireless connection yet.  I have two questions I wanted to pose to
the list:
1. Is this the correct list to ask general Ubuntu questions when I'm
running Dapper Drake? If so,
2. When I start Supertux in full-screen mode I'm left with a black
border around the screen.  The play area appears to remain the same size
as non full-screen mode.  Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks in advance.

Jason



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 18:41:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:41:01 -0500
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <doitashimashite.2091tz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


So, no problem?


-- 
doitashimashite



From bassix at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:03:54 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:03:54 -0500
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <43A5694E.3000809@videotron.ca>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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On 12/18/05, Beast2k <beast2k at videotron.ca> wrote:
> I tried this "fix" last night and it seems to have done the job nicely
> thanks. I've been subscribed to this list barely 2 days and already it's
> been useful. thanks for the info Peter

I assume you mean the "disable IPv6" thing... I'd like to see that as
the DEFAULT for Firefox! It took me a while to figure this thing out a
while ago. This is very important specifically for users on dial-up!

Glad to hear it fixed your problem.

-Steve.



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:18:28 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:18:28 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <do4ad8$thq$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>
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> Good point, will do. Although, I think bugzilla.ubuntu.com is for breezy
> bugs, while malone is for dapper ones. So I'll go to malone - I suspect
> that means writing a spec.

Officially Bugzilla is still for any "bug" in the supported portion of
Ubuntu, while Malone is for universe/multiverse bug.  It is planned to
change soon and have only Malone, but that hasn't been done yet.  So
you can still fill Dapper bug in bugzilla if you want.

As for writting a spec, you don't have to.  You can fill it in Malone
using a severity of "Wishlist".




--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:19:23 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:19:23 -0800
Subject: Hello from an Ubuntu newbie
In-Reply-To: <1134932256.4550.8.camel@megatron>
References: <1134932256.4550.8.camel@megatron>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512181119j3600131exf28bfda13c345abb@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm new to Ubuntu, but not really new to Linux.  I wanted to take a
> minute to say hello.  Hello.

Welcome!

> I'm running Dapper Drake on an HP Pavilion dv1340us.  It installed
> without problem.  So far everything works, although, I have not tried
> the wireless connection yet.  I have two questions I wanted to pose to
> the list:
> 1. Is this the correct list to ask general Ubuntu questions when I'm
> running Dapper Drake? If so,

yes.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From jasonrkr at charter.net  Sun Dec 18 19:30:42 2005
From: jasonrkr at charter.net (Jason Riker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:30:42 -0800
Subject: Error using gnome-app-install
Message-ID: <1134934242.4550.14.camel@megatron>

Hello again.  I try to run Add Applications off the Applications menu,
but it's not working.  It asks for my password, but the application
never opens.  Someone told me the command line equivalent is
gnome-app-install so I ran it from a terminal and this is what I get

/usr/lib/gnome-app-install/AppInstall.py:196: GtkWarning:
gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion
`gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
  LaunchpadIntegration.add_items (widget, -1, False, True);
Segmentation fault

Any ideas how I fix this?  I'm using Dapper Drake.

Thank you.

Jason





From m_epling at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 19:38:03 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:38:03 -0600
Subject: Hello from an Ubuntu newbie
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512181119j3600131exf28bfda13c345abb@mail.gmail.com>
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:40:17 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:40:17 -0800
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512181103y4a80ee7ct1b5451791a485e63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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> > I tried this "fix" last night and it seems to have done the job nicely
> > thanks. I've been subscribed to this list barely 2 days and already it's
> > been useful. thanks for the info Peter
>
> I assume you mean the "disable IPv6" thing... I'd like to see that as
> the DEFAULT for Firefox! It took me a while to figure this thing out a
> while ago. This is very important specifically for users on dial-up!

this was rejected by the Ubnutu developpers a while back:
 https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7230
 https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2381

--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:42:15 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:42:15 -0800
Subject: Error using gnome-app-install
In-Reply-To: <1134934242.4550.14.camel@megatron>
References: <1134934242.4550.14.camel@megatron>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512181142y6d784d34vb59b35e2c7ae50e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, Jason Riker <jasonrkr at charter.net> wrote:
> Hello again.  I try to run Add Applications off the Applications menu,
> but it's not working.  It asks for my password, but the application
> never opens.  Someone told me the command line equivalent is
> gnome-app-install so I ran it from a terminal and this is what I get
>
> /usr/lib/gnome-app-install/AppInstall.py:196: GtkWarning:
> gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion
> `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
>   LaunchpadIntegration.add_items (widget, -1, False, True);
> Segmentation fault
>
> Any ideas how I fix this?  I'm using Dapper Drake.

Other people are experiencing it as well:
   https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21132



From AGoodba at CLEMSON.EDU  Sun Dec 18 19:48:05 2005
From: AGoodba at CLEMSON.EDU (Adam Goodbar)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:48:05 -0500
Subject: Hello from an Ubuntu newbie
In-Reply-To: <1134932256.4550.8.camel@megatron>
References: <1134932256.4550.8.camel@megatron>
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Jason Riker wrote:
>
> 2. When I start Supertux in full-screen mode I'm left with a black
> border around the screen.  The play area appears to remain the same size
> as non full-screen mode.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
>

Sounds like the resolution on the game is different from the monitor.
Thats the problem with some LCD panels, they will not stretch the
resolution.  Try setting the resolution of the game to match the
resolution on your monitor =)
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From bassix at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:58:55 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:55 -0500
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512181140y2258d36amc1168aad824317b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On 12/18/05, Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I assume you mean the "disable IPv6" thing... I'd like to see that as
> > the DEFAULT for Firefox! It took me a while to figure this thing out a
> > while ago. This is very important specifically for users on dial-up!
>
> this was rejected by the Ubnutu developpers a while back:
>  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7230
>  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2381
>
> --
> Daniel Robitaille

Thanks for the info. It doesn't bother me now, but for people new to
linux who want to try ubuntu (on dialup especially) it could be an
initial turnoff.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 19:50:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:50:19 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I actually have the luxury of having a two relatively new PC's.  My
newer one still runs Windows XP for the wife and children to use.  I
have a slightly older one that I completely replaced Windows with
Ubuntu...  Funny though I did have to upgrade the RAM to 512 before it
ran ok....  I guess that's to be expected wiht gnome from what I hear.


-- 
jjdvs1



From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 19:59:50 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:59:50 +0100
Subject: manual compilation and package management
In-Reply-To: <200512170150.09024.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512170150.09024.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <3c743c460512181159w477f065eta4de95999e1951c6@mail.gmail.com>

The two reasons are update and optimization. I'd like to have KDE 3.5, and
want to compile it for my CPU, as it is said to produce noteable difference.
There's a 3.5 update published on the Kubuntu site somewhere (the link
points to Jonathan Riddell's home dir), but I had some minor issues with
that (a small kicker UI refresh problem, and changes to some kcontrol
settings don't work).

But your suggestion is indeed a good one... I'll just need to find
some 3.5source packages, then.


imre


On 12/17/05, Tobias Heinemann <theine at nordita.dk> wrote:
>
> > I hope the following will make sense :) I'd like to compile KDE on my
> > Ubuntu system using Konstruct -- but what's important that at the end
> > it would be installed "by hand" as opposed to the regular installation
> > procedure, using packages.
>
> What's actually your reason for compiling KDE from source using Konstruct?
> If
> you just want to apply a small patch against the Kubuntu source of a
> certain
> KDE component, "apt-get source <kde-component>" plus dpkg-buildpackage and
> friends might be what you're looking for.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From magnus at therning.org  Sun Dec 18 20:12:56 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:12:56 +0000
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
In-Reply-To: <20051218091413.GA5608@die.therning.org>
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
	<4fee73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:14:13AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:01:40PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
>>Magnus Therning wrote:
>>
>>> Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
>>> non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
>>> SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):
>>> 
>>>  /dev/sda7 -> /boot
>>>  /dev/sda8 -> /
>>> 
>>> Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
>>> that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.
>>> 
>>> Grub entry:
>>> 
>>>  title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
>>>  root            (hd0,6)
>>>  kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
>>>  initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
>>>  savedefault
>>>  boot
>>> 
>>> Any idea on how to solve it?
>>> 
>>
>>Not really - it's what I saw with the earlier 2.6.15 kernels, though I think
>>the actual fix was in udev.  I'm now using 2.6.15-8-686 (note the 686) and
>>udev 077-0ubuntu5 and the problem's gone away.  Otherwise, you might need
>>an earlier kernel (the previous one I'd used was 2.6.12-9-686).
>
>Those are the exact versions that are shipped with the Dapper FT2 CD
>(well, since I'm on a AMD machine I tried k7).
>
>I'm downloading the kernel sources while writing this to see if I can
>find a way to solve it...

I did get it working, but it wasn't pretty. Hardwire SCSI (and SATA
support) into the kernel. Then I had problems with compiling the kernel
using the gcc version on the Dapper CD (4.0). I didn't bother trying
with gcc3.4.

I've decided to lay off Dapper until it's released, or I get a more
reliable network connection, whichever happens first...

/M

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

I have steadily endeavored to keep my mind free, so as to give up any
hypothesis, however much beloved -- and I cannot resist forming one
on every subject -- as soon as facts are shown to be opposed to it.
     -- Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
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From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec 18 20:16:53 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:16:53 +0000
Subject: laptop detection (was Re: dmesg broken)
In-Reply-To: <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com> <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>

Thilo Six wrote:
> sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove
> 
> This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
> search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.

There are also other laptop-specific services I've had to disable
manually for my desktop system, such as acpi-support and pcmcia.

Can't Ubuntu detect whether the system is a laptop and not install/start
them automatically?

I've had to disable other irrelevant services including powernowd and
mdadm which should be automatically disabled, but this may be due to my
post-install tweaking.

Toby





From basvg at cs.ru.nl  Sun Dec 18 20:29:44 2005
From: basvg at cs.ru.nl (Bas van Gils)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:29:44 +0100
Subject: splash screen setup
Message-ID: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>


Hi guys,

I was just playing with the themes that come with gnome. Changing background
image is easy, as is the gtk2 iconset and stuff. The splash screen was a bit
trickier I think. I managed to set the image with the "cofiguration editor".
when I log in now, I do get the correct splash screen icon but... I hate the
background.

I found that I can set the color in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf . that changes it
globally. I think my wife still uses the default 'human' themes and the new
color that I selected doesn't look too nice with that theme. Is there a way to
set it locally? What am I missing here?

Cheers,

  Bas


-- 
<Bas.vanGils at cs.ru.nl> - GPG Key ID: 2768A493  -  http://www.cs.ru.nl/~basvg
Radboud University Nijmegen Institute for Computing and Information Sciences

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From magnus at therning.org  Sun Dec 18 20:30:32 2005
From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:30:32 +0000
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:43:00AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
>On 12/18/05, Mauricio Hernandez Z. <mhz.chile at gmail.com> wrote:
>> MTA is important, I vote 'yes'.
>> Have you talked to the Devel guys?
>
>Absolutely. Some of us would like to use MUAs that don't suck, like Mutt.
>
>Plus, mailx is used to send email from scripts all of the time. These
>people dumbing-down Linux and making it less useful are making me want
>to go use FreeBSD.

Don't mix things up! Ubuntu != Linux, GNOME != Linux. We have yet to see
if PC-BSD[1] ends up "dumbing down" FreeBSD...

There are other distributions that aren't about "dumbing down". Some
aren't as polished as Ubuntu is, they are surely not as sexy as Ubuntu
is at the moment...

/M

1. http://www.pcbsd.org/

-- 
Magnus Therning                    (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus at therning.org
http://therning.org/magnus

Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish.
Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship
by patent law on written works.

Increasingly, people seem to misinterpret complexity as sophistication,
which is baffling--the incomprehensible should cause suspicion rather than
admiration.
     -- Niklaus Wirth
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From michael at weblore.com  Sun Dec 18 20:38:28 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:38:28 -0600
Subject: Samba / SWAT
Message-ID: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com>

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I've installed Samba and am trying to get Swat up.

I've installed Apache (which is working fine) and SWAT, I've verified
that it's listed as port 901/tcp in services,but when I try to access it
via Firefox (http://localhost:901) it tells me the connection is refused
when trying to contact localhost:901.

What am I missing? Can someone offer some help?

tia
- ---Michael
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 20:22:30 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:22:30 -0500
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au><20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au><e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com><1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com><do3lea$62k$1@sea.gmane.org><e453abbe0512180808o44a2bae5j7b9694637e27a51c@mail.gmail.com><do467t$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org><e453abbe0512180948g68ecb34dtf785d6b9ef8f7390@mail.gmail.com><do4ad8$thq$1@sea.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <poptones.2096gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>I don't feel like ubuntu needs a local MTA, in fact, I've allways felt
it kind of odd to 
>have one. Your typical home user has absolutely no need for it.

FWIW I am not your "typical home user" but I am also not (presently) a
system administrator managing a fleet of servers or anything like that.
I just use ubuntu on my home system for a variety of reasons. I don't
even have a gmail account and I don't chat much in gaim. But I did miss
this mail functionality because I am on dialup and my ISP limits the
size and number of my outgoing mails and my secondary provider (the
folks I mostly use for email) has had lots of reliability problems. So
back when hoary came out and I was having these problems oneday I set
my outgoing mail server to "localhost" just to see what woudl happen.
It worked! So I lived with it happily for many months and advised my
adventurous friends (those who were also running various flavors of
linux - like the teenage high school girl, or her craft hobbyist
mother) to do the same if they had problems. This also has the upside
of allowing one to get pretty much immediate feedback if there is some
problem with delivery.

They don't know what "localhost" is they only know I told them this.
And I didn't know at first why this didn't work with breezy. I also
didn't know a thing about setting up postfix; although it is an easy
few clicks one has to actually know about it - and know "web site" is
the (very unintuitive) setting most appropriate to -a home user on
dialup- who just wants to be able to send emails to their friends
without having to depend on their (possibly unreliable) isp.


-- 
poptones



From list.account at gmx.net  Sun Dec 18 20:39:20 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:39:20 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <do4anl$ucq$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<e453abbe0512180953m415d6998tcb9f8805c2de8906@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s1zrkr0hbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<do4anl$ucq$1@sea.gmane.org>
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> Am 18.12.2005, 19:46 Uhr, schrieb Tristan Wibberley <maihem at maihem.org>:

>>>> René wrote:
>>>> does it truly has to be like that?
>>>> yesterday i did the dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy.
>>>> my machine is a P3 / 1,2 GHz / 256 MB RAM.
>>>> with Warty the machine started up nicely.
>>>> with Hoary the startup became already slower.
>>>> and, with Breezy it starts to became painful to wait !
>>>> (black screen for a while, flashing the screen, turning wheels for  
>>>> long,
>>>> waiting there for some more seconds)
>>>> of course, these are seconds i am talking about.
>>>> still, does it truly has to be that also Ubuntu becomes slower and
>>>> slower with every release?
>>>> i specifically hated Windows for that.
>>>> what to do on that?
>>>> kicking out some of the stuff at startup? and how to achieve that?

> I remember seeing somebody have a problem due to DMA not being enabled
> in breezy, while it was in hoary. Perhaps this is a similar problem?

that is not the case. thank you for thinking on that.




From dada.da at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 20:41:46 2005
From: dada.da at gmail.com (Daniel Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:41:46 -0500
Subject: Disk chatter every 5 seconds
Message-ID: <aa2cdde20512181241o6c75f339r8ae2d31feacbd69@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu (5.04 and 5.10) seem to run a device-related daemon (HALd?
udev?) which makes the disk activate in a short burst exactly every 5
seconds.  Since the disk is the loudest part of my home system, the
pattern is sometimes a bit distracting.

Anybody know what's the cause, and whether it's configurable behavior?
 I have done a bit of poking, but I haven't been able to isolate it,
beyond that it doesn't happen in runlevel 2, and it doesn't stay
active long enough to show up in 'top'.

Thanks for any help,

-Daniel



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 18 20:54:30 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:54:30 -0400
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134583266.9113.47.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215052657.04113db8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134588019.9113.80.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134685586.5657.5.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<9r3b73-sfo.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134756175.5657.30.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<l3de73-a17.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1134859443.3941.57.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <6tug73-lab.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Mike Bird wrote:

> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 13:38, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> You don't break new installations if you require _an_ MTA.  If the
>> depends is "<mail-transport-agent> | postfix" you'll get postfix if you
>> don't
>> already have an MTA that provides mail-transport-agent.  It's not rocket
>> science.
> 
> We're talking about the Ubuntu breakage caused by mailx and postfix
> no longer being installed.  Wizards with time on their hands can
> change *anything* post-install.  

Which part of the "depends" I gave was so hard to understand?  There is no
need to FORCE postfix.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 18 20:52:18 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:18 -0400
Subject: Dapper2 FT2, boot problems
References: <20051217171942.GA5173@die.therning.org>
	<20051217221952.GA5272@die.therning.org>
Message-ID: <2pug73-lab.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Magnus Therning wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 05:19:42PM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote:
>>Downloaded Dapper FT2 and put it on a CD yesterday. Installed it today,
>>non-expert mode, without any problems. Chose to use two partitions on my
>>SATA disk (only have one disk in the computer):
>>
>> /dev/sda7 -> /boot
>> /dev/sda8 -> /
>>
>>Booting works fine until the kernel is loaded. Then I get the message
>>that /dev/sda8 couldn't be found and I'm dropped into a BusyBox.
>>
>>Grub entry:
>>
>> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-8-386
>> root            (hd0,6)
>> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-8-386 root=/dev/sda8 ro quiet
>> initrd          /initrd.img-2.6.15-8-386
>> savedefault
>> boot
>>
>>Any idea on how to solve it?
> 
> The problem persists despite having installed a more suited kernel (k7
> since it's an AMD system). I'm really at a loss here, and I am not able
> to provide more info--I'm dropped in a BusyBox without a working
> keyboard :(
> 
> My CDROM turns up at /dev/hda, but I didn't see any messages regarding
> SCSI (AFAIK SATA is "handled through" the SCSI driver). I suspect there
> might be some kernel option to put in menu.lst that solves this, but I
> can't find anything through Google... I'm open for any suggestions...

See my post in this list "Kernel 2.6.15-5, udev and Inspiron 6000".  What I
initially got was:

> ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy
> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133
> ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
> ata1: configured for UDMA/33
> scsi0: ata_piix
> hda: FUJITSU MHV2040A, ATA DISK drive

Obviously at this point it had failed to recognize it as scsi.  The later
udev changelogs mention fixes to let things settle down first, though the
first fix did nothing for me.  Perhaps this isn't the same as your problem,
but it sounds pretty close.
-- 
derek




From gcmartin at tsn.cc  Sun Dec 18 21:24:32 2005
From: gcmartin at tsn.cc (Graham Martin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:24:32 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
Message-ID: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

>On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much,
do
>>you?
>>    
>>
>
>There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
>dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>(Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
>to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
>
>I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
>
>I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
>incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
>not stopped.
>
>--Mike Bird
>
Hi all, I have been using Linux since Red Hat 7.1 and I love all the
bells and whistles, Linux wouldn't be the same without them.
It would be a shame to rob new users of that experience.
Please don't make Ubuntu boring.
Just my thoughts.
Kind regards Graham.





From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 18 21:02:27 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:02:27 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <3cvg73-lab.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Peter Garrett wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:09:35 -0800
> Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> 
>> FREEDOM MEANS CHOICES, NOT THE ONE AND ONLY OFFICIALLY
>> SANCTIONED CHOICE.
>> 
>> We lost Postfix due to a campaign by a guy who hasn't used
>> it since Warty.  And Mailx to "an accident".
> 
Good gods!  I don't think anybody at Ubuntu pays attention to me (at least
no more than anybody else who files bugs)!  And besides which, if you'd read 
a word I wrote you would know that I was campaigning FOR choice, not against 
it.  Require AN MTA not a specific MTA.
> 
> We don't know that either of these assertions is true - hence my questions
> to the developers.

I'm certain that the first is not true, and from Danielle's messages I doubt
the second.  I still think removing mailx was a mistake, but apparently it
wasn't an accident.
-- 
derek




From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec 18 21:45:28 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:45:28 +0000
Subject: manual compilation and package management
In-Reply-To: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c743c460512161414g11b9bfc2i47c6241d4019c2a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A5D878.1070805@ntlworld.com>

Imre Tuske wrote:

> Maybe it's a stupid question, but I don't know much but the basics
> about package management, and just thinking of a way of installing
> "hand-compiled" stuff in a way that works together with packages.

Maybe one of these documents would be useful?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreateDebPackageHowto
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Creating_an_Ubuntu_%2edeb_Package

HTH,
Toby



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Sun Dec 18 21:47:11 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:47:11 +0100
Subject: Samba / SWAT
In-Reply-To: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com>
References: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <1134942432.26193.33.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On zo, 2005-12-18 at 14:38 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:

> I've installed Samba and am trying to get Swat up.
> 
> I've installed Apache (which is working fine) and SWAT, I've verified
> that it's listed as port 901/tcp in services,but when I try to access it
> via Firefox (http://localhost:901) it tells me the connection is refused
> when trying to contact localhost:901.
> 
> What am I missing? Can someone offer some help?

sudo update-inetd --enable swat
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org
  - Linux voor normale mensen: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 21:45:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:45:42 -0500
Subject: splash screen setup
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
Message-ID: <endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


In terminal:




Code:
--------------------
    sudo apt-get install gnome-splashscreen-manager

  killall gnome-panel

  sudo -k
--------------------




System>Preferences>Splash Screen



Have fun :-D


-- 
endersshadow



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 22:14:52 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:14:52 -0800
Subject: How to successfully install Fluxbox
Message-ID: <61af2c540512181414j51050b1vb619ad15fb4f07b2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Peter, Michael and rest of the folks,

On 12/17/05, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
<ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:13:41 -0500
> From: "Michael P. Soulier" <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu is under attack
X.......................................................................................................
> ........................................... I now just run fluxbox, ..........................
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:36:04 +1100
> From: Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu is under attack
>
>  As it happens, I'm running fluxbox as I type this :)
>

I downloaded fluxbox_0.9.14-1_i386.deb from fluxbox website and really
_really_ want to start using the same.  However, I don't know
_anything_ about synaptic or apt_get (what are these things???) and
instead of repeatedly double-clicking the .DEB file nothing has
happened!  Can you guys or any kind soul on this list could _please_
tell me a step-by-step procedure to install fluxbox on my system.  I
_really_ like the GUI - it's fantabulous !!!  I would certainly like
you to advise me as to which version of fluxbox I should use.  I would
appreciate any other helpful  hints.

I _really_ want to give Ubuntu CDs to _all_ my friends and relatives
who are so fond of Windows XP but I want them to really see this
excellent Linux GUI (fluxbox) themselves.  Basically, I want to
install many good software applications on my system along with
super-duper GUI like fluxbox and once I have done it, I want to give
the other 4 CDs to my friends who currently use Windows XP.  I am sure
many will convert to Linux from Windows! :)

Thanks in advance.

--
Best regards,

Asif



From cb at lim.nl  Sun Dec 18 22:22:04 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:22:04 -0800
Subject: Kontact error msg: "Library files for "libkaddressbookpart.la" not
	found in paths."
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512181422n50cc7dbcod6afdc2a601d9ec1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to get Kontact working under 5.10. Kpim starts up, but
when I select the "Contacts" module, it returns this error message:

    Cannot load part for Contacts.
    Library files for "libkaddressbookpart.la" not found in paths.

Anyone know what packages I still need to install?

Also, is there a search function for the archive of this mailing list,
or is google with "site:lists.ubuntu.com" one's only option?

Thanks.

From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 22:30:16 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:30:16 +0100
Subject: (ubuntu newbie) vmlinuz/initrd links in root folder
Message-ID: <3c743c460512181430s43210c4kb13e33c208602434@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


Could anyone tell what's the purpose of the above mentioned links in
the root folder?



imre


--
[ Imre Tuske | http://... | mailto:imre.tuske at gmail.com ]



From jackymac at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 22:32:22 2005
From: jackymac at gmail.com (Jess Little)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:32:22 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134925151.6778.77.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
	<1134925151.6778.77.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <46787e460512181432ob8c81c3me8b282c41c0abbae@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 04:12, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> > I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
> > Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
> > and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
> > for !
> > So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
> > essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
> > thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)
>
> This is frightening.  Do you have any idea what you're missing?
>

<snip stuff about how "critical" mail is in Linux>

Wow...I can't tell if you're joking or not. I hope you are.

I don't use Samba, an FTP server, tape backups, DVD backups, postfix,
clamscan, mirrored drives, or really anything else you mentioned in
your email. I'm missing nothing. Every once in a while, I burn my mp3s
to CD, along with a few important documents, some code, Firefox
bookmarks, and pictures. I don't have email to back up because I use
webmail. If my hardrive dies randomly, I get a new one and
re-download/re-rip any music I might have lost. It's happened...and
somehow the experience wasn't horrific enough for me to care about
"proper" backups on my desktop.

I'm also a systems and network admin by trade, and a fiddler by
disposition.  My servers use all the bells and whistles I deem
necessary, have documented disaster recovery plans, get regular
backups, and email me if anything looks vaguely off. I *could* setup
my desktop to email me every time my computer sneezes, but why would I
waste the time? The amount of effort it takes for me to recover from a
drive failure is tiny compared to how often it actually happens. My
desktop computer is for using: surfing, reading email, playing gweled
and sudoku, talking to people on IM, blogging, shopping online, and
the occasional forays into web development and coding. Ubuntu handles
all that stuff fantastically, with minimal thought on my part.

I've been fiddling with Linux since somewhere around Red Hat 5.0. I've
been *using* Linux since Warty. I applaud the Ubuntu (and GNOME!)
developers and hope they continue in the direction they're headed.
There's plenty of "choice" out there for folks who want a Linux distro
with all the bells and whistles installed by default and 12 text
editors available on a 5-CD set. Don't take away the current best
choice for those of us that want something that mostly just works for
the simple things while still making the complex things possible.

Jess



From olafra at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 22:33:11 2005
From: olafra at gmail.com (Olafur Arason)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:33:11 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134925151.6778.77.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1134893221.8963.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512181139.14853.theine@nordita.dk>
	<1134907949.5031.7.camel@localhost>
	<1134925151.6778.77.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <e50811220512181433i723650f6g@mail.gmail.com>

I think this proves the point of why not to have postfix, let me explain.
All of these point are important, and even more important then having
to start evolution and read through dosent's of email just to see if
your antivirus has deleted any files. You want notification through
your GUI if that is what you are using see:
http://live.gnome.org/UnixPowerForDesktop

I think it is very important to make a list and you can host it on the
wiki, because Ubuntu isn't about dumbing things down, though the
MenuRevisted is pushing some bounderies. It's about having a
good solution for something, not just a solution. Like telling
people to go to the terminal and typing something or recompiling
the kernel. For people that don't know computer, a relativly simple
task as setting up an email through the phone can be dificault, trust
me. It's important to have as few moving parts.

If you are losing some ability like described in the email below then
it's important to write it down, and by ability I meen I don't know what
my antivirus is doing because there is no postfix, not there is no
postfix by default, then clamscan can depend opon postfix or a better
system.

Olafur Arason
2005/12/18, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net>:
> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 04:12, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> > I can only speak for myself, but as a "normal" Desktop user, I have used
> > Ubuntu very happily for 14 months 24/7 without even knowing that "mailx"
> > and "postfix" existed. As for "MTA", I don't even know what it stands
> > for !
> > So I would say, whatever these things are, they are definitely not
> > essential to a successful Linux experience for "human beings", which I
> > thought was the target audience of Ubuntu ! ;-)
>
> This is frightening.  Do you have any idea what you're missing?
>
> Mail provides your daily report of the anti-virus scan of your
> hard drive.  You do scan your hard drive regularly don't you?
> You do want to have some kind of heads up if viruses are getting
> in to your system?  You don't want to be sharing viruses via
> Samba or FTP or email do you?  You do want to know if clamscan
> accidently deleted something important?
>
> Mail provides your daily report that you forgot to configure
> tmpreaper.  You did install tmpreaper didn't you?  What, you
> reboot when your /tmp is full?
>
> Mail provides your daily report of your backup to tape, to DVD,
> or via rsync.  You do backup your system don't you?  You want
> to know if the backup is too big for the DVD, or if a tape
> write failed?
>
> Mail provides your hourly report of your anti-virus definition
> updates.  You want to know when you're protected against that
> new worm that you just read about.  More importantly, you want
> to know if a firewall or proxy server somewhere is borked and
> preventing your regular anti-virus definition updates.
>
> When one of your hard drive mirrors breaks, mail tells you.  You
> do mirror all your hard drives don't you?  We do, except laptops.
> It's a heck of a lot cheaper to install a second drive than to
> recover from a drive crash.  All drives crash.
>
> I understand that mail can also tell you when a hard drive is
> close to failure, using SMART monitoring.  I confess I haven't
> seen this happen yet.
>
> All those are standard reports from Linux desktops.  Most
> servers generate more.  Some desktops generate more if you
> have particularly applications installed.  If you're not
> setting up mail properly on your Ubuntu installations
> then you're doing a disservice to your clients, family,
> and friends.
>
> Now some people will want those emails delivered to their guru -
> - the guy or gal who installed Ubuntu for them and answers the
> difficult questions for them.  In poorer countries without
> Internet access, people will probably want those emails
> delivered locally.  Most newbies trying Ubuntu on their own
> will probably want their emails sent to "me at myisp.com" so
> that they arrive in their regular message stream without having
> to check a second mail account.  Postfix can do all that very
> easily.
>
> By default, postfix need only listen on 127.0.0.1.  There's no
> security downside to running postfix.  Nor is postfix difficult
> to install - it's pretty much point and click in debconf.  Nor
> is postfix difficult to maintain - it just does its job quietly.
>
> Why was Ubuntu broken?  All we've had thus far on this list
> are a lot of complaints about postfix being removed and a few
> people saying that they didn't know that mail is important.
>
> Now I'm not particularly interested in lynching the culprit.
> What should happen is that one of the Ubuntu leaders should
> get on this list right away and assure us that this will be
> fixed for Dapper and that measures will be put in place so
> that know-nothings cannot again throw out critical functions
> on religious grounds without warning or reasoned discussion.
>
> --Mike Bird
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 22:38:10 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:38:10 -0800
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
Message-ID: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike,

On 12/18/05, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
<ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:43:00 -0500
> From: "Michael P. Soulier" <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>
> Subject: Re: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack

I would like good apps Scribus, Inkscape, Sodipodi, Blender, Nvu,
educational packages, Fluxbox, etc. on the installation CD so that
everything that a common home user likes to play  with gets installed
by default when one installs Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is already good but if building & shipping additional software
with Ubuntu takes extra space then IMHO shipping additional software
on extra CDs would add more value to Ubuntu rather than shipping 5 CDs
all of which hold the _same_ software.  My friends and cousins like
Gimp, Inkscape and other cool apps and they want to play with all of
them.  A nicer GUI such as FluxBox would be a compelling reason for
them to convert to Ubuntu.

--
Just my two cents,

Asif



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 22:29:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:29:27 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Kubuntu has replaced Windows XP on 5 (all) machines in my house!



There's NO reason to keep Windows, really!


-- 
daller



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sun Dec 18 22:47:27 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:47:27 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <6tug73-lab.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051214183701.6357a088.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 12:54, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Which part of the "depends" I gave was so hard to understand?  There is no
> need to FORCE postfix.

Agreed.  If I implied otherwise I apologize.  Your proposal and
the mail proposal on the Wiki are compatible and sensible and
ensure that an MTA would be present:

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap

The problem is that someone simply removed postfix.  No virtual
MTA dependency.  Just dropped postfix and mailx out of what was
a working configuration in Hoary.

Why have a Wiki if disastrous decisions are being made in
backrooms or on IRC?  The benevolent dictator for life or
one of his immediate lieutenants needs to make it clear that
this will be fixed for Dapper and that it won't happen again.

Mark needs to hire people with real world experience (sorry,
I'm busy) instead of a team which mandates totally unnecessary
IPV6 DNS delays while killing mail and crippling menus.

--Mike Bird




From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Sun Dec 18 23:14:08 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:14:08 +1000
Subject: How to successfully install Fluxbox
In-Reply-To: <61af2c540512181414j51050b1vb619ad15fb4f07b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512181414j51050b1vb619ad15fb4f07b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A5ED40.7040801@upng.ac.pg>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

>Hello Peter, Michael and rest of the folks,
>
>On 12/17/05, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
><ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:13:41 -0500
>>From: "Michael P. Soulier" <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>
>>Subject: Re: Ubuntu is under attack
>>    
>>
>X.......................................................................................................
>  
>
>>........................................... I now just run fluxbox, ..........................
>>
>>Message: 9
>>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:36:04 +1100
>>From: Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>
>>Subject: Re: Ubuntu is under attack
>>
>> As it happens, I'm running fluxbox as I type this :)
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I downloaded fluxbox_0.9.14-1_i386.deb from fluxbox website and really
>_really_ want to start using the same.  However, I don't know
>_anything_ about synaptic or apt_get (what are these things???) and
>instead of repeatedly double-clicking the .DEB file nothing has
>happened!  Can you guys or any kind soul on this list could _please_
>tell me a step-by-step procedure to install fluxbox on my system.  I
>_really_ like the GUI - it's fantabulous !!!  I would certainly like
>you to advise me as to which version of fluxbox I should use.  I would
>appreciate any other helpful  hints.
>
>I _really_ want to give Ubuntu CDs to _all_ my friends and relatives
>who are so fond of Windows XP but I want them to really see this
>excellent Linux GUI (fluxbox) themselves.  Basically, I want to
>install many good software applications on my system along with
>super-duper GUI like fluxbox and once I have done it, I want to give
>the other 4 CDs to my friends who currently use Windows XP.  I am sure
>many will convert to Linux from Windows! :)
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>--
>Best regards,
>
>Asif
>
>  
>
Hello,
Welcome to the Debian world (for which Ubuntu is part of).
You have done the right thing by downloading the file with the .DEB 
extension which is a Debian package.
Your next step is to install it. You can't do install by doubling click 
(a Windows carryover).
To install, open a terminal from your desktop.

Applications->System Tools->Terminal

Then issue the command

sudo dpkg -i  fluxbox_0.9.14-1_i386.deb

And watch the magic unfold as fluxbox is installed.

You can also install using apt-get (note the dash (-) not an underscore 
(_))  and Synaptic but the source of your package must
be included in the /etc/apt/sources.list. The list will correct me on this.

I personally find installing by dpkg -i easier and straight forward.

To find out more about the apt-get and dpkg commands, issue the man 
command at the terminal i.e man apt-get and man dpkg.

HTH,

Alfred Vahau








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From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 18 22:57:13 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:57:13 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <op.s1zybudqbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
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On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
> How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.

Well, perhaps a loaded title, but not a bad idea, though why the CD 
can't come with a bare-bones KDE setup as well defeats me.  Ubuntu must 
be the only major distro not to do it.  Yes, I know you can do it by 
installing kubuntu-desktop, but KDE is not a minor suite, and like 
other distros, it should be at bootup as standard.

> Perhaps an expert mode in the installer would help too, that pulls in
> a lot of packages that Linux users with experience might want. 

I'm not sure if its covered by the GPL, but Libranet has a built-in 
application called Adminmenu, which does just this.  I'm not sure if 
Libranet will continue but there are noises on the Libranet users list 
about finding other financial backers, so perhaps Ubuntu/Kubuntu could 
come together with Libranet to provide this.  As a long-time Libranet 
user, I have found Adminmenu invaluable: it even helps you compile your 
own kernel!

The problem is (as I understand it), Ubuntu does NOT provide an 
interface with pure Debian packages.  Some work and others do not.  If 
the system was compatible with 100% pure Debian packages, there would 
be no problem with choice, and if Debian provided as good an installer 
as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  
We could all join forces around debian.org.

> Oh, 
> wait, that's another option, and hence a choice. Can't have that. It
> might confuse people.

Well, Debian was founded on the basis of a standard that could be 
applied to all packages (stable, testing, unstable).  There is already 
choice: the Debian's site boasts 15490 packages in its repositories, so 
all it takes is to make Ubuntu/Kubuntu accessible to all of those.
-- 

Old Rocker



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 22:48:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:48:53 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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mrgnash Wrote: 
> No, I wish it could, but at the moment it there are several things that
> don't work for me on Ubuntu so I need to use Windows :( Namely:

> 

> DVD PLAYBACK
> 



DVD playback? - What's wrong?



See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/codecs



or it could be a DMA issue:



https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA



Edit: and what's wrong with the headset?


-- 
daller



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 22:40:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:40:58 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
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No, I wish it could, but at the moment it there are several things that
don't work for me on Ubuntu so I need to use Windows :( Namely:



DVD PLAYBACK
*World of Warcraft* (I know that there it's *possible* to get it to run
under Wine, but I can't get Wine to install because of my AMD64 CPU and
the source installation errors out...)

*Winamp/Streaming media* - Haven't had much luck with this apart from a
few radio stations. Can't get Realplayer to install properly for much
the same reason as the above.

*Music* - My headset doesn't work so I'm stuck with my crappy laptop
speakers on Ubuntu.



I love Ubuntu and wish I could use it exclusively, but for an
inexperienced user such as myself getting it to work perfectly on my
laptop is no picnic. Until I do, I'm going to keep it as a dual boot :(


-- 
mrgnash



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 18 23:10:55 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:10:55 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On Sunday 18 December 2005 22:29, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:

> Kubuntu has replaced Windows XP on 5 (all) machines in my house!

I haven't run Windows since Win95, so I guess it hasn't replaced it :-)

On the other hand, I've experimented with Icepack Linux (now deceased), 
Knoppix, Mandrake (I'm not sure which version), Slackware 10, College 
Linux, Debian Woody, Libranet 2.8.1, and now Ubuntu/Kubuntu.

If at any chance I would be presented with a PC that had WinXP on it, I 
would convert that immediately to Debian Sarge, but in the meantime 
Ubuntu/Kubuntu (Breezy) will do me for the moment

-- 

Old Rocker








From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 18 23:12:57 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:12:57 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:43:34 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).
> 
> No.  This is important.

I agree that this is important, entirely on-topic for the users list,
and should not be shunted off to sounder merely because it elicits strong
opinions.

Why it *is* important , though, is perhaps a bit more complex than at first
appears.

###A Few Notes (My intention being to clarify what we are actually discussing)


1. Perhaps people are discussing different things: -  thus

    A) One group of opinions might be (rather crudely) summarised as

   "My machine and desktop work just fine without mailx and postfix, so
it's a non-issue for me"  (valid for that user)

    B) Another group might be (equally crudely) summarised as

   "This functionality is part of of what makes Linux/Unix what it is, and
should be kept"   (very debatable - which is not to say unimportant,
right or wrong - just capable of much debate on different sides)

    C) A third group might be summarised as something like

   "By removing this functionality we are removing a crucial
diagnostic/security/administrative tool which should be there by default"

## Breaking it down

   A) "A" is quite true for many desktop users who are happy to rely on
Ubuntu to "just work" and have (relatively) little interest in what it is
*doing*  (Analogy - car driver who has a basic understanding of the engine
but doesn't need, or want, to be constantly informed of what that engine is
doing other than necessities (like oil gauges, temperature, fuel remaining
etc)

   B) At first reading the B) position might look  "conservative" or
"zealot-like" or "pedantic" depending on your point of view. I don't think
it is *necessarily* any of these - because the question "What is the
nature/personality/fundamental character of this OS?" Informs our uses of
it, and also it's discoverability in the deeper sense. There is also a
pedagogical argument here that is worthy of thought. 

I use the term pedagogical here in a positive sense.

  C) The C) argument is definitely important for systems, networks and more
complex uses of Ubuntu. Mike Bird has argued this position or something
like it forcefully, and I think on the whole credibly, as have others in
this thread

###Concluding

(Personal viewpoint - interpretation of the above)

First, it has become both a long and at times heated thread. This
suggests that many users feel strongly about it. If that is so, then it is
_ipso facto_ worth considering carefully

Second, it appears we are arguing at cross-purposes, because it is not
clear which of A) B) or C) each poster is actually discussing (insert D)
E)  ad-lib ;-)

Third, inevitably when people feel strongly they use emotive language. I
think that's fair enough - people have a right to feel strongly, and
emotive language is after all.. well,  umm, ...the language of feelings .
It does however sometimes take on the character of polemic to an
unecessary degree ;-)

This rather lengthy post is an attempt both to validate the particular
discussion, and, I hope, an attempt to ensure that we are actually
addressing the issues. It is also an approach to the broader issue of how
we discuss things. So in the broader context ths thread might be
considered symptomatic. I would suggest that we ignore symptoms at our
peril.

The fact that the thread concentrates on mailx/ MTA is in that sense
periphal to the question of how the distribution handles, and will in the
future handle, dissenting opinions, when they clearly are perceived by a
large number of knowledgable posters as worthy of comment and contribution.

Peter



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 18 23:15:12 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:15:12 +0000
Subject: Receiving mails twice
Message-ID: <200512182315.12395.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

Every posting to the list arrives here in duplicate.  Any reason for 
this?
-- 

Old Rocker








From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Sun Dec 18 23:17:24 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:17:24 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512182257.14205.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net> <do4anl$ucq$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<op.s1zybudqbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512182257.14205.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134947844.7303.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

sön 2005-12-18 klockan 22:57 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> 
> > I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> > install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
> > How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.
> 
> Well, perhaps a loaded title, but not a bad idea, though why the CD 
> can't come with a bare-bones KDE setup as well defeats me.  Ubuntu must 
> be the only major distro not to do it.  Yes, I know you can do it by 
> installing kubuntu-desktop, but KDE is not a minor suite, and like 
> other distros, it should be at bootup as standard.

Um, that's what kubuntu is for. Ubuntu is at heart a Gnome distro, and
with such a limited space on the CD, don't expect a large set of
packages like that to crowd out all the other useful or necessary stuff.

And remember when Redhat tried to make KDE interoperate a bit better
with the Gnome desktop and got screeching yowls of protest from all over
KDE land for their effort? I suspect the very same thing would happen
with a "bare-bones" (ie. anything less than everything) set of KDE
packages.

Why can't you just let Ubuntu be what it is? Why is not kubuntu good
enough?


> The problem is (as I understand it), Ubuntu does NOT provide an 
> interface with pure Debian packages.  Some work and others do not.  If 
> the system was compatible with 100% pure Debian packages, there would 
> be no problem with choice, and if Debian provided as good an installer 
> as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  
> We could all join forces around debian.org.

Debian moves slowly. Ubuntu moves fast. There are good reasons for
either, but it means that packages will tend to have version
incompatibilities. To use all debian packages, Ubuntu would have to
essentially put on the breaks (no new Gnome desktop yumminess every six
months) and use the same (older) versions of everything that debian
does.

And it's not like the quick pace of Ubuntu isn't benefiting debian; all
changes and packaging work is offered upstream after all.




-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 23:05:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:05:23 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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daller Wrote: 
> DVD playback? - What's wrong?

> 

> See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/codecs

> 

> or it could be a DMA issue:

> 

> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA

> 

> Edit: and what's wrong with the headset?



See my threads in the hardware help section :P


-- 
mrgnash



From rcb at digitalanswers.biz  Sun Dec 18 23:19:11 2005
From: rcb at digitalanswers.biz (Rick Chagouri-Brindle)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:19:11 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>

Interestingly enough, this is why I am trying out Kubuntu at the moment 
. . . I like the flexibility, although I do miss the Ubuntu desktop 
approach too. I guess I can haver everything though!!!


Graham Martin wrote:

>Hi all, I have been using Linux since Red Hat 7.1 and I love all the
>bells and whistles, Linux wouldn't be the same without them.
>It would be a shame to rob new users of that experience.
>Please don't make Ubuntu boring.
>Just my thoughts.
>Kind regards Graham.
>
>
>
>  
>



From rcb at digitalanswers.biz  Sun Dec 18 23:44:18 2005
From: rcb at digitalanswers.biz (Rick Chagouri-Brindle)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:44:18 +0000
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A5F452.3070808@digitalanswers.biz>

'Forum Post wrote:

>I actually have the luxury of having a two relatively new PC's.  My
>newer one still runs Windows XP for the wife and children to use.  I
>have a slightly older one that I completely replaced Windows with
>Ubuntu...  Funny though I did have to upgrade the RAM to 512 before it
>ran ok....  I guess that's to be expected wiht gnome from what I hear.
>
>  
>
We have a similar setup at home too. A WinXP box for my wife and 
children and a Kubuntu monster - Athlon64 x2 4200 with 4GB RAM - for me. 
Slowly  though my wife is gaining confidence and familiarity with the 
Kubuntu machine, and my son, at the grand old age of three, loves 
Edubuntu already on an old laptop.  As an IT Consultant, I informally 
look after the two PCs at my son's pre-school, I have installed Edubuntu 
on one of them and it is gaining universal approval from pupils, parents 
and staff alike!!! Great for Linux, get the children used to an 
alternative to MS!!!



From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Sun Dec 18 23:44:49 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:44:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: "Out of Range" message - Thanks for the help
References: <loom.20051218T031651-430@post.gmane.org>
	<43A4F19F.9000903@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <loom.20051219T004233-835@post.gmane.org>

Hodgins Family writes:
...
Got that sorted, thanks.  On to the next.







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 18 23:45:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:45:43 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


All of my many, many machines (ix86 and PPC) run with Linux, but not all
of them run with Ubuntu. ;)


-- 
arctic



From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Sun Dec 18 23:59:55 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:59:55 -0500
Subject: Disk chatter every 5 seconds
In-Reply-To: <aa2cdde20512181241o6c75f339r8ae2d31feacbd69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa2cdde20512181241o6c75f339r8ae2d31feacbd69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A5F7FB.9010105@csee.wvu.edu>

Daniel Allen wrote:

>Ubuntu (5.04 and 5.10) seem to run a device-related daemon (HALd?
>udev?) which makes the disk activate in a short burst exactly every 5
>seconds.  Since the disk is the loudest part of my home system, the
>pattern is sometimes a bit distracting.
>
>Anybody know what's the cause, and whether it's configurable behavior?
> I have done a bit of poking, but I haven't been able to isolate it,
>beyond that it doesn't happen in runlevel 2, and it doesn't stay
>active long enough to show up in 'top'.
>  
>
That 5 seconds sounds an aweful lot like the 5 second commit interval 
that ext3fs has.  So its not hald or udev directly.  Its probably 
something doing some logging or something else.  You may also think your 
not writting anything to disk, but every you access a file the atime 
must be updated, so that needs to be written to disk.  On my laptop I 
set the noatime option on all my partitions.  This will keep it from 
updating that.  Also you should check in /var/log to see if anything is 
writting too much to disk and see if you can scilence it.  Generally 
setting the noatime mount option fixes it.  You can set this in 
/etc/fstab.  Man mount for a full description of this option. 



From cb at lim.nl  Mon Dec 19 00:09:20 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:09:20 -0800
Subject: Kontact error msg: "Library files for "libkaddressbookpart.la"
	not found in paths."
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512181422n50cc7dbcod6afdc2a601d9ec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aec9371b0512181422n50cc7dbcod6afdc2a601d9ec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512181609k3de9c6f2hcbaa083f4ab3129a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, Colin Brace <cb at lim.nl> wrote:

> I am trying to get Kontact working under 5.10. Kpim starts up, but
> when I select the "Contacts" module, it returns this error message:
>
>     Cannot load part for Contacts.
>     Library files for "libkaddressbookpart.la" not found in paths.
>
> Anyone know what packages I still need to install?

Ah... never mind; I fixed it by installing the kdepim package.

From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 00:12:32 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:12:32 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134947844.7303.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512182257.14205.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134947844.7303.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Sunday 18 December 2005 23:17, Jan Moren wrote:

> Um, that's what kubuntu is for. Ubuntu is at heart a Gnome distro,
> and with such a limited space on the CD, don't expect a large set of
> packages like that to crowd out all the other useful or necessary
> stuff.

I accept that there would be less space on the given-out CD, but does 
everyone get and use Ubuntu this way?  My last two attempts to get 
Ubuntu and Kubuntu were via download as an .iso file.  And I'm sure 
that more could be put into an .iso download, even if that means 
multiple disks for those that want them.

Ubuntu IS a GNOME based distro, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be 
more.  I've seen nothing about downloading Ubuntu into Kubuntu, which 
(as I prefer KDE) seems to me to be an oversight.  And, yes, I have 
looked at the wiki, although I am prepared to admit that I might have 
missed it.

Debian moved slowly with bringing Sarge into stable, but it has promised 
to bring forward future updates.  The problem is that Ubuntu is not 
FULLY Debian compatible so we are forced to use those packages in the 
Ubuntu/Kubuntu repositories, and Ubuntu can't always install 
applications that are in the Debian repositories  That's not giving 
people choice.

I accept that Ubuntu/Kubuntu puts something back to Debian but we're in 
danger of forking the whole Debian system, as well as removing that 
stability that Ian Murdoch started Debian to maintain.  Nor am I 
against a distro that puts as much on a CD as it can and that includes 
GNOME.  What I am against is that it should be forging ahead without 
including software that is Debian compatible.

And if the developers wanted to do so, couldn't they upgrade Ubuntu 
every six months by basing it around fully Debian compatible software?

-- 

Old Rocker








From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 00:07:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:07:12 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <r4ik.209gna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It has and does satisfy my needs so there is no reason turning back to
the W os system.

Since i have been able to fine-tune Ubuntu a little my children are
getting more and more interested.

My guess is it will not take to long before they want it also.

Gaming? Use an other device.


-- 
r4ik



From dada.da at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 00:38:03 2005
From: dada.da at gmail.com (Daniel Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:38:03 -0500
Subject: Disk chatter every 5 seconds
In-Reply-To: <43A5F7FB.9010105@csee.wvu.edu>
References: <aa2cdde20512181241o6c75f339r8ae2d31feacbd69@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A5F7FB.9010105@csee.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <aa2cdde20512181638t5d00394fnc7ee8aab080b2782@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I've checked /var/log/* and nothing's updating at that
frequency.  I also neglected to mention that I unset APM (hdparm -B
255) on the one drive that supported it.  I'm not sure if there are
other hdparm settings that might be helpful here; googling didn't seem
to find anything.

As you suggested, I updated /etc/fstab; I ran mount -o remount noatime
, but no change...

-Daniel

On 12/18/05, Scott J. Henson <scotth at csee.wvu.edu> wrote:
> Daniel Allen wrote:
>
> >Ubuntu (5.04 and 5.10) seem to run a device-related daemon (HALd?
> >udev?) which makes the disk activate in a short burst exactly every 5
> >seconds.  Since the disk is the loudest part of my home system, the
> >pattern is sometimes a bit distracting.
> >
> >Anybody know what's the cause, and whether it's configurable behavior?
> > I have done a bit of poking, but I haven't been able to isolate it,
> >beyond that it doesn't happen in runlevel 2, and it doesn't stay
> >active long enough to show up in 'top'.
> >
> >
> That 5 seconds sounds an aweful lot like the 5 second commit interval
> that ext3fs has.  So its not hald or udev directly.  Its probably
> something doing some logging or something else.  You may also think your
> not writting anything to disk, but every you access a file the atime
> must be updated, so that needs to be written to disk.  On my laptop I
> set the noatime option on all my partitions.  This will keep it from
> updating that.  Also you should check in /var/log to see if anything is
> writting too much to disk and see if you can scilence it.  Generally
> setting the noatime mount option fixes it.  You can set this in
> /etc/fstab.  Man mount for a full description of this option.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Mon Dec 19 00:43:40 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:43:40 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512182257.14205.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134947844.7303.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>

mån 2005-12-19 klockan 00:12 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> On Sunday 18 December 2005 23:17, Jan Moren wrote:
> 
> > Um, that's what kubuntu is for. Ubuntu is at heart a Gnome distro,
> > and with such a limited space on the CD, don't expect a large set of
> > packages like that to crowd out all the other useful or necessary
> > stuff.
> 
> I accept that there would be less space on the given-out CD, but does 
> everyone get and use Ubuntu this way?  My last two attempts to get 
> Ubuntu and Kubuntu were via download as an .iso file.  And I'm sure 
> that more could be put into an .iso download, even if that means 
> multiple disks for those that want them.

If you're getting stuff online, you're just one apt-get away from
everything in any case. I still think that the non-bloatedness of
getting a full system on one CD - the same full system you get from
booting a Live CD no less - is a truly good thing. As you say yourself,
if you want more, it's easy to get at in any case.


> Ubuntu IS a GNOME based distro, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be 
> more.  I've seen nothing about downloading Ubuntu into Kubuntu, which 
> (as I prefer KDE) seems to me to be an oversight.  And, yes, I have 
> looked at the wiki, although I am prepared to admit that I might have 
> missed it.

Well, I don't see an easy way to bring kubuntu to ubuntu either. 


> Debian moved slowly with bringing Sarge into stable, but it has promised 
> to bring forward future updates.  The problem is that Ubuntu is not 
> FULLY Debian compatible so we are forced to use those packages in the 
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu repositories, and Ubuntu can't always install 
> applications that are in the Debian repositories  That's not giving 
> people choice.
> 
> I accept that Ubuntu/Kubuntu puts something back to Debian but we're in 
> danger of forking the whole Debian system, as well as removing that 
> stability that Ian Murdoch started Debian to maintain.  Nor am I 
> against a distro that puts as much on a CD as it can and that includes 
> GNOME.  What I am against is that it should be forging ahead without 
> including software that is Debian compatible.
> 
> And if the developers wanted to do so, couldn't they upgrade Ubuntu 
> every six months by basing it around fully Debian compatible software?

What would be the point? I mean, if you want the stability and
repositories of Debian, well, there it is. Don't install Ubuntu, install
Debian.

Again, actually following Debian would mean older versions of many
packages, and a major selling point of Ubuntu is precisecly that some
core packages are much more up to date than the Debian packages are. I
know I use Ubuntu in no small part because it follows the Gnome release
schedule and includes very recent versions of a lot of other stuff as
well (not the least all the tasty kernel-related work, with HAL and
Dbus, recent drivers and so on). To get there using Debian you pretty
much have to resort to building things yourself.

 There is a set of tradeoffs between stability, amount of fully
supported packages, supported architectures and recency. Ubuntu makes a
different tradeoff than Debian towards recency. That is _giving_ people
choice, not taking it away. 


-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From djh3 at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 19 00:54:27 2005
From: djh3 at shaw.ca (David J. Hatter)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:54:27 -0800
Subject: Setting up printer
Message-ID: <1134953667.8128.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am runnning Hoary.  I am connected to a U.S.Robotics 8022 router/print
server from which I get my internet connection.  An HP Laserjet 6MP is
also attached to the USR 8022.  I am relatively new to Linux and Ubuntu.
Can I set up Ubuntu such that I can print to the HP?  I am aware of
System>Administration>Printing but after that I get lost.  I assume that
I should select "network printer".  If I then select Unix Printer how do
I know what to insert for "host" and "queue"?  Where do I get drivers
from?

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
David.






From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 00:54:18 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:54:18 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 00:43, Jan Moren wrote:

> Well, I don't see an easy way to bring kubuntu to ubuntu either.

apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

However, it doesn't work the other way round, so I can have a basic 
GNOME facility in with KDE to have a few GNOME applications, and a full 
KDE facility.

I can have this with other Debian based distros (even Knoppix!) using 
apt-get, so why not with Kubuntu?

-- 

Old Rocker








From julio.biason at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 00:59:23 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:59:23 -0200
Subject: Master volume doesn't affect headphone volume
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512181659s7ea7c15bh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there.

I have a Dell Inspiron 9300, one of those with multimedia keys in the
front. Everything works on Ubuntu, except for a small problem: the
volume controls affect (correctly) the master volume, but when I'm
using headphones, their volume isn't affected by the master, turning
the volume controls useless then.

The sound card is an Intel ICH6.

Any ideas?

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 01:16:26 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:16:26 +0100
Subject: (still newbie) kernel compilation issues
Message-ID: <3c743c460512181716w3e0dabf6s272a1c279c371e63@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


A good thing that everyone must be interested in is that I managed to
do a kernel compile :)

But seriously. Now I got three things different from when booting the
"regular" kernel: there's no graphical boot (who cares), after boot I
get only a text-prompt login instead of the graphical login screen,
and the third one is the nvidia driver can't be started (after I log
in and type startx to launch X).

I wonder why X doesn't get started before login. I don't think it's
related to the non-working state of the nvidia driver -- it just
doesn't start at all.

I also don't know what to do about the nvidia driver, do I have to
install it again or something? (If it's a kernel module, then that
would be logical [as the custom kernel reads the modules from a
different directory], but so far I've checked the packages, and it
seems more like an X driver, but maybe I'm mistaken.)


imre

--
[ Imre Tuske | http://... | mailto:imre.tuske at gmail.com ]



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 01:01:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:01:53 -0500
Subject: Low mortagge ratee approvall
References: <863b800a.4902479@66.246.118.208>
Message-ID: <ubunick.209jfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Wtf? Weirdo.  My head hurts after reading that.


-- 
ubunick



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Mon Dec 19 01:27:59 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:27:59 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134955680.7303.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>

mån 2005-12-19 klockan 00:54 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 00:43, Jan Moren wrote:
> 
> > Well, I don't see an easy way to bring kubuntu to ubuntu either.
> 
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

I meant the other way around, actually. 

> However, it doesn't work the other way round, so I can have a basic 
> GNOME facility in with KDE to have a few GNOME applications, and a full 
> KDE facility.
> 
> I can have this with other Debian based distros (even Knoppix!) using 
> apt-get, so why not with Kubuntu?

I guess you'll have to ask the kubuntu developers that.


-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 01:30:57 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:30:57 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512190130.57479.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 00:43, Jan Moren wrote:

> What would be the point? I mean, if you want the stability and
> repositories of Debian, well, there it is. Don't install Ubuntu,
> install Debian.

That implies Ubuntu is not Debian, whereas for me a major selling point 
was that it IS a Debian distro.  I was wrong.
>
> Again, actually following Debian would mean older versions of many
> packages, and a major selling point of Ubuntu is precisecly that some
> core packages are much more up to date than the Debian packages are.

I hope I made myself clear in my earlier posts.  Ubuntu uses the 
"unstable" system of packages: nothing wrong with that, because Debian 
allows you to have "stable", "testing" and "unstable" binary packages 
for installation.  If Ubuntu was fully Debian compatible, you could 
download some of the older packages and they would run if the 
dependencies were present.  Its that vision that I want Ubuntu/Kubuntu 
to follow so that Debian doesn't become forked.

I don't know that it is a selling point to have the latest programs 
available to the newbie at the outset.  Surely the selling point on 
this list has been simplicity with programs that do work, and they 
don't always have to be the latest.

> I know I use Ubuntu in no small part because it follows the Gnome
> release schedule and includes very recent versions of a lot of other
> stuff as well (not the least all the tasty kernel-related work, with
> HAL and Dbus, recent drivers and so on). To get there using Debian
> you pretty much have to resort to building things yourself.

Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.  That's not the point: current 
Ubuntu repositories are optimised for Ubuntu-only use.  I understand 
that Debian will hold up moving packages from one repository to another 
because they do not meet Debian's status for all their platforms, 
whereas Ubuntu has more limited platforms to ensure that software meets 
its standards.  But why not include the Debian specific software in 
Ubuntu's repositories, instead of having yet another version of the 
same program?  And why not strive to develop fully Debian compatible 
software in the first place?

>  There is a set of tradeoffs between stability, amount of fully
> supported packages, supported architectures and recency. Ubuntu makes
> a different tradeoff than Debian towards recency. That is _giving_
> people choice, not taking it away.

Well, I disagree, but I will defend your right to be wrong :-)  Ubuntu 
is a good distro, despite what I have said, but it would be a better 
distro IMHO if it was fully Debian compatible.  What I am concerned 
about is a fork in the Debian project that could ultimately bring about 
its end.

-- 

Old Rocker








From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 01:21:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:21:59 -0500
Subject: hosting your own website
References: <op.s1rhdattfof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<marvlus.207k4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <greenwom.209kcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This is a great thread, can't wait to set up a home website.


-- 
greenwom



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Mon Dec 19 01:49:26 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:49:26 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512190130.57479.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512190012.33082.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512190130.57479.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134956966.7303.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

mån 2005-12-19 klockan 01:30 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> > I know I use Ubuntu in no small part because it follows the Gnome
> > release schedule and includes very recent versions of a lot of other
> > stuff as well (not the least all the tasty kernel-related work, with
> > HAL and Dbus, recent drivers and so on). To get there using Debian
> > you pretty much have to resort to building things yourself.
> 
> Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.  That's not the point: current 
> Ubuntu repositories are optimised for Ubuntu-only use.

As they should be.

>   I understand 
> that Debian will hold up moving packages from one repository to another 
> because they do not meet Debian's status for all their platforms, 
> whereas Ubuntu has more limited platforms to ensure that software meets 
> its standards.  But why not include the Debian specific software in 
> Ubuntu's repositories, instead of having yet another version of the 
> same program?  And why not strive to develop fully Debian compatible 
> software in the first place?

My understanding is that many packages in Universe actually are the
Debian packages, just with a rebuild to reflect the Ubuntu origin -
which it should, as the Debian packager no longer can be expected to
provide support for it. I've had fairly good luck with using Debian
packages for things that aren't in the Ubuntu repositories. Those that
fail tend to be those very packages with hoary enough dependencies that
reconciling Ubuntu and Debian would not be possible in any case.


> >  There is a set of tradeoffs between stability, amount of fully
> > supported packages, supported architectures and recency. Ubuntu makes
> > a different tradeoff than Debian towards recency. That is _giving_
> > people choice, not taking it away.
> 
> Well, I disagree, but I will defend your right to be wrong :-)  Ubuntu 
> is a good distro, despite what I have said, but it would be a better 
> distro IMHO if it was fully Debian compatible.  What I am concerned 
> about is a fork in the Debian project that could ultimately bring about 
> its end.

Yep, discussion is good.

My concern is mostly that "fully Debian compatible" means "just another
repackage of existing Debian", and we have what, a dozen such distros
already? One reason Ubuntu has taken off in a way none of the others did
is that Ubuntu does do things different from Debian - and thus there is
an actual reason for some people to use it instead of Debian.

ANd actually, I believe the emergence of Ubuntu has been a very good
thing for Debian too. It is a reflection that not all existing or
potential Debian users have been happy with the direction and speed it
has taken the past few years, and I think it in a small way has helped
the Debian community to focus. And again, it's not that Ubuntu packages
are incompatible so much as simply ahead of their time with respect to
Debian.

On a personal note, if Ubuntu lost its focus of delivering a great,
integrated and polished - and current - Gnome desktop, I'd have to find
a different distro that did.

-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 01:57:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:57:21 -0500
Subject: Master volume doesn't affect headphone volume
References: <3a73f7f00512181659s7ea7c15bh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <arjaybe.209l9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


This sounds familiar.  There are several threads on this topic.  Search
on master volume.  I haven't seen a resolution yet.


-- 
arjaybe



From JTListserv at cox.net  Mon Dec 19 02:49:32 2005
From: JTListserv at cox.net (Justin Tisserat)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:49:32 -0800
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
References: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <43A61FBC.80908@cox.net>

Hello,

I have Ubuntu installed on an Apple PowerBook G4 with a PPC Processor
using Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10. During the installation process the
Ubuntu install sees and loads module support for the Airport WiFi card
in my laptop. However, once Ubuntu is installed and I log in I can't
seem to see the wireless interface. Being new to Linux I am at a loss as
to how to configure the WiFi card. I am familiar with the basics of
ifup/ifdown/ifconfig but with the WiFi card I'm not sure where to
start.  I have an Airport wireless (802.11b) not an Airport Extreme. I
don't mind the learning curve and would appreciate some feedback on
where to start. Thanks!

- Justin





From senectus at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 03:19:51 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:19:51 +0800
Subject: Advice for where to get help with ESD and ALSA?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512181919l2dfb5103q5fd3a29f70f6f103@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having some very long running problems with ESD and maybe ALSA, I
was wondering if anyone might have some advice on support
sites/forums/chat rooms etc that they'd recommend for these
applications?


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 03:26:48 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:26:48 +0500
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 240
In-Reply-To: <E1Eo7mq-0004NO-Kh@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Eo7mq-0004NO-Kh@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <61af2c540512181926t4c2663bbm7c16b3f2f2de0e60@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alfred,

On 12/19/05, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com <
ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:14:08 +1000
> From: Alfred Vahau <Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg>
> Subject: Re: How to successfully install Fluxbox
> To install, open a terminal from your desktop.
>
> Applications->System Tools->Terminal
>
> Then issue the command
>
> sudo dpkg -i  fluxbox_0.9.14-1_i386.deb
>
> And watch the magic unfold as fluxbox is installed.
>
> You can also install using apt-get (note the dash (-) not an underscore
> (_))  and Synaptic but the source of your package must
> be included in the /etc/apt/sources.list. The list will correct me on
> this.
>
> I personally find installing by dpkg -i easier and straight forward.
>


Thank you very much.

--
Best regards,

Asif
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From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 03:30:08 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:30:08 -0500
Subject: apache2
Message-ID: <874q55227z.fsf@gmail.com>

I have tried to use apachectl to restart apache,
but it doesn't work -- how do I restart apache?




From peter at stoddard.us  Mon Dec 19 03:34:39 2005
From: peter at stoddard.us (Peter Stoddard)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:34:39 -0800
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
Message-ID: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us>

On Sunday 18 December 2005 6:49 pm, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 
> Hello,
>
> I have Ubuntu installed on an Apple PowerBook G4 with a PPC Processor
> using Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10. During the installation process the
> Ubuntu install sees and loads module support for the Airport WiFi card
> in my laptop. However, once Ubuntu is installed and I log in I can't
> seem to see the wireless interface. Being new to Linux I am at a loss as
> to how to configure the WiFi card. I am familiar with the basics of
> ifup/ifdown/ifconfig but with the WiFi card I'm not sure where to
> start.  I have an Airport wireless (802.11b) not an Airport Extreme. I
> don't mind the learning curve and would appreciate some feedback on
> where to start. Thanks!

I have the same problem.  It turns out that I have a wireless Airport Extreme 
network card manufactured by Broadcom (BCM4306).  I forget the command I used 
to find that out -- maybe someone can tell you the correct command.  

Broadcom devices are not supported in Linux because the source code has not 
been made available by the manufacturer.  The driver has apparently been 
reverse engineered, with details at:

http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12886

I downloaded an experimental driver but couldn't compile it.  Its a little 
over my head at the moment.  

I hope you have a simpler time of it.

Pete



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 03:42:17 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:42:17 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On 12/18/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).
>
> No.  This is important.

It's not trouble-shooting so it probably ought to end up on sounder.

> > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
>
> Irrelevant.  We're talking about recent changes that are harming
> Ubuntu.  Fedora used to be up there until it did what Ubuntu is now
> doing.

Easy to say irrelevant if you're on the losing end of an argument
(without backing it up). You remind me of a good politician. Deny,
deny, deny (until it's too late or you're found out).

FYI IIRC Ubuntu came out of the gate more-or-less AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS!!

Enough people have waded into the morass that is this thread to
explain to you (and others) that one of the driving ideas behind
Ubuntu's distribution model is to keep the main OS installer to ONE
CD. As such, Canonical has to eliminate apps/services which are used
by a minority of users and keep/include the ones that tend to be used
by more people. It'd be interesting to know where the "popularity
contest" software stands on the argument for or against including such
extraneous services as mail servers.

> What does the laudable goal of accessibility have to do with
> our objections to hurting Ubuntu by removing Postfix and Mailx?

As others have pointed out, repeatedly, Postfix and Mailx are but two
or three clicks of the mouse away (none if you use apt-get through one
of the vts). When most people don't use those services IT SIMPLY
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO WASTE VALUABLE CD SPACE ON THOSE APPS.

> > Perhaps you didn't experience the whole DOS vs. Mac war in the 1980s,
> > so, to summarise: the computer "experts" (pundits) derided the Mac GUI
> > for being simplistic, limiting, not keyboard controllable and simply
> > not useful (whatever would you do with a MOUSE... drawing pictures?
> > Use LOGO! Page layout? Only publishers need LinoTypes). What did
> > Microsoft do the instant they cleared up the legal wranglings they had
> > with Apple? Copy Mac's GUI down to the last letter (making some pretty
> > bad mistakes in the process unfortunately). Why? Because GUI and
> > simplicity WORKS.
>
> Pulease.  I worked on the Xerox D-Lion which gave Apple the idea for the
> Lisa which evolved into the Mac which, being dumbed down, lost 95%
> market share to Windows, which was harder to use but not dumbed down.

It's a shame you didn't pay attention to the history that was in the making :-(

Mac was the undisputed leader in the realm of productivity (ignoring
the (tragically short-lived) blips of Amiga and Atari) for 8 years
(84-91), and, was still offering a far superior product to Windows 3.1
until 1995, and, productivity study after productivity study showed
that Mac users were FAR more productive than their DOS counterparts --
usually using twice or three times the number of apps than their DOS
counterparts and getting more done than their DOS counterparts (try
drawing a picture, doing page layout or managing a spread sheet in a
CLUI environment ;-). E.g. In 1988, with Illustrator 88 on a Mac II
with a 32 bit video card (the first Windows computer I ever did see
which could handle more than 256 colours was in 1994, and, even then
very few apps could even take advantage of the extra colours!!!)
people were creating illustrations on Macs which Windows users
couldn't do until the advent of Windows 95 (NOT 3.1).

This was an conclusion with which my anecdotal observations
whole-heartedly agreed.

Prior to the appearance of Windows 3.1 I knew very few people who used
their DOS PCs for anything but word processing or BBSing. Those of us
who were Mac users in 1990 were doing pretty much everything that 2005
computer users do -- word processing (not just WordPerfect 5.1 text
editing), spread sheets (not DOS 123), GUI e-mail, GUI FirstClass [a
primitive BBS predecessor to the www] (amazingly advanced for its day,
amazingly primitive now given that it's not changed in 15 years!!!)
and a myriad of other apps... and, another observation that I've made
over the years and had independently verified by others is that
knowledgeable Mac users tend to be FAR more knowledgeable about how to
USE computers than their knowledgeable Windows counterparts (who are
knowledgeable because they have to edit registries, not because they
necessarily know how to _USE_ their computers as tools)... something
about focusing on the important stuff and not having to worry about
extraneous nonsense focuses the mind ;-).

Anyway, nowadays there is less difference between the OSes, but, even
so, on the whole, usability studies tend to side marginally with
Apple's Mac OS.


Where Apple "failed" (if you judge failure by number of OS copies
installed) was in its business model. Apple was a hardware company and
that's where they wanted to be. They built computers and the OS had to
be BETTER than the rest to sell their premium computers.

By contrast, MS bought an operating system which they then licenced to
IBM, the undisputed business leader at the time (early 80s). As a
software company MS had nothing to gain by locking down the hardware
on which their OS ran so they could happily open it up to every John,
Dick and Harry that was willing to build hardware -- it wasn't
particularly good but it was cheap. Other h/w manufacturers didn't
have to write their own OS, and, these hardware manufacturers had
incentive to maintain some level of interoperability with IBM.

In essence, without MS, Linux could never have come to be -- no
standardization upon which to build an OS!!!!!!!!!

Apple allowed their OS to be licenced for only a year or two (mid 90s)
before they realised that that was hurting their bottom line more than
it was expanding the installed base of potential Mac users. They could
charge a massive premium for their hardware by making an OS that
bested the competition, rather than making a premium OS which allowed
others to under-cut them. Licencing their software in the mid-90s is
partly why Apple fared worse than the average high tech company at the
time -- Apple lost revenue stream and stagnated on the OS front.
Without a strong OS (to counter the new offering of Windows 95 from
MS) Apple couldn't sell as many boxes which meant poor profits.

Apple's most brilliant move was to focus on stability, and, then on
migrating the whole platform to a rock solid core -- at no point did
they make their OS more complex.

(Back to MS)
Microsoft was a software company with a brilliant businessman at its
helm (someone many love to hate ;-), coupled with an excellent
marketing department, and lucky enough to hit the big time by
supplying the business leader (at the time; 1982?) with its personal
computer consumer operating system.

And, as we all know and have experienced, if your marketing or timing
is good you can sell nearly anything, even if it's not the best tool
for the job (a half a TRILLION US dollar (400 billion euro) war ;-).
BetaMax vs. VHS.

And, that, in a nutshell, is why Apple is a very profitable hardware
manufacturer which can charge a premium for its computers and
Microsoft dominates a completely different realm of the computer world
where it can make a living.

Linux is a greater threat to Windows than to Apple's Mac. Mac OS X
already is a *nix which means that it has pretty good compatibility
with most Linux-based apps (I would expect to see Apple incorporate
GTX functionality in the not too distant future... they've already got
an X11 window server built in, so some native app compatibility may
not be too far behind ;-).

(not sure where this paragraph fits in... not interested enough to edit anymore)
The recognition by the clone makers that they need an alternative to
Windows (and pumping cold hard cash in Linux) is what has lead to
Microsoft getting off their laurels and fixing up Windows. Windows XP
Pro is a marked improvement over the mediocrity of Windows ME, in a
scant three year time span!!! (though, I'd like to know whether that's
because of Linux or Mac OS X or both or something else).

What I'd like to know is _why_ did Apple switch to i86. There have
been so many pontifications on the subject (and, official
pronouncements from Apple), but, none have sounded completely
convincing -- is Apple setting itself up to compete with software or
is there something else at play?

Of course, I hope someone a few generations younger than you wouldn't
have to remind you of what happened in 1980s and 1990s computer
history ;-).

Eric.



From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Mon Dec 19 03:52:41 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:52:41 +0000
Subject: laptop detection (was Re: dmesg broken)
In-Reply-To: <43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com> <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <20051219035241.GA28979@srcf.ucam.org>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:16:53PM +0000, Toby Kelsey wrote:

> There are also other laptop-specific services I've had to disable
> manually for my desktop system, such as acpi-support and pcmcia.

acpi-support isn't laptop-specific.

> I've had to disable other irrelevant services including powernowd and
> mdadm which should be automatically disabled, but this may be due to my
> post-install tweaking.

powernowd also makes sense on most desktops.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 03:45:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:45:56 -0500
Subject: Xen support without reinventing the wheel
References: <2229.141.18.24.118.1129551602.squirrel@thelinuxbeat.net>
	<yookoala.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <slava.209qty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


fyi 
you can get xen on ubuntu by adding this to your sources.list


Code:
--------------------
    deb http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/xenophilia/xen-debs/ubuntu xen-stable main
  
--------------------
 
or this for unstable (xen 3)

Code:
--------------------
    
  deb http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/xenophilia/xen-debs/ubuntu xen-unstable main
--------------------


-- 
slava



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 04:08:51 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:08:51 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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On 12/18/05, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:43:34 -0800
> Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).
> >
> > No.  This is important.
>
> I agree that this is important, entirely on-topic for the users list,
> and should not be shunted off to sounder merely because it elicits strong
> opinions.

I still don't see the point of this thread on the main list, but, hey
to each her own.

> 1. Perhaps people are discussing different things: -  thus
>
>     A) One group of opinions might be (rather crudely) summarised as
>
>    "My machine and desktop work just fine without mailx and postfix, so
> it's a non-issue for me"  (valid for that user)
>
>     B) Another group might be (equally crudely) summarised as
>
>    "This functionality is part of of what makes Linux/Unix what it is, and
> should be kept"   (very debatable - which is not to say unimportant,
> right or wrong - just capable of much debate on different sides)
>
>     C) A third group might be summarised as something like
>
>    "By removing this functionality we are removing a crucial
> diagnostic/security/administrative tool which should be there by default"

I would like to add D:

D) "Ubuntu needs to accomodate the needs of its users within the
stated goal of providing the simplicity of a one CD installation. If
the plurality of its users use package X and the plurality of users do
not use package Y, then package Y can safely be removed from the
distro to make room for package X. Package Y will still be available
to the main repository for installation, if desired."

This point of view eliminates the sticky business of value judgements,
and, I suspect that that is precisely what we'll be seeing more and
more of as Linux, and, especially Ubuntu matures.

Ubuntu has shown that less is more.

In a year this distro has gone from nothing to being one of the
top-ranked versions of Linux, while eschewing the kitchen sink
philosophy inherent in the likes of RedHat/Fedora Core. It provides
what is needed to get most people's job done. Nothing more. Nothing
less.

As for the complaints of dumbing down... am not going to comment on
that because I really feel that is more appropriate to the sounder
list (it's straying pretty far from the notion of "helping" other
Ubuntu users... yes, philosophical discussion are a good thing, but
they have their own place, and, that place is not always in the same
sphere as in the practical realm... I want my MD to be up on her
ethical issues... I just don't want those issues to be discussed when
they're operating on me).

Eric.



From JTListserv at cox.net  Mon Dec 19 04:14:27 2005
From: JTListserv at cox.net (Justin Tisserat)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:14:27 -0800
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us>
References: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us>
Message-ID: <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>

Peter Stoddard wrote:

>On Sunday 18 December 2005 6:49 pm, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have Ubuntu installed on an Apple PowerBook G4 with a PPC Processor
>>using Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10. During the installation process the
>>Ubuntu install sees and loads module support for the Airport WiFi card
>>in my laptop. However, once Ubuntu is installed and I log in I can't
>>seem to see the wireless interface. Being new to Linux I am at a loss as
>>to how to configure the WiFi card. I am familiar with the basics of
>>ifup/ifdown/ifconfig but with the WiFi card I'm not sure where to
>>start.  I have an Airport wireless (802.11b) not an Airport Extreme. I
>>don't mind the learning curve and would appreciate some feedback on
>>where to start. Thanks!
>>    
>>
>
>I have the same problem.  It turns out that I have a wireless Airport Extreme 
>network card manufactured by Broadcom (BCM4306).  I forget the command I used 
>to find that out -- maybe someone can tell you the correct command.  
>
>Broadcom devices are not supported in Linux because the source code has not 
>been made available by the manufacturer.  The driver has apparently been 
>reverse engineered, with details at:
>
>http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12886
>
>I downloaded an experimental driver but couldn't compile it.  Its a little 
>over my head at the moment.  
>
>I hope you have a simpler time of it.
>
>Pete
>
>  
>
Hi Pete, et. all,

I believe I have an older airport.

I checked and do see that that a device does show on the Gnome Device 
Manager under KeyLargo Mac I/O as eth1; I'm assuming thats the Airport 
since I already have a device under UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) as eth0 
which I know to be the wired ethernet.  When I checked 
/etc/network/interfaces I saw no entry for it so I added it as a DHCP 
device and issued an ifup command. Now eth1 happly starts up looking for 
DHCP.

Assuming eth1 is the Airport card I suppose now its a matter of 
configuring it properly. I am not sure if Ubuntu supports WPA. Thats 
what I have set up here at home.

- Justin



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 04:17:06 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:17:06 +1100
Subject: slower and slower
Message-ID: <43A63442.8070704@optusnet.com.au>

The Ubuntu startupgets slower and slower because more things are being 
started at startup with each release. To cancel the startup of things 
you don't want, go to the guide at 
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-89491.html



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 04:25:57 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:25:57 +1100
Subject: How to successfully install Fluxbox
Message-ID: <43A63655.9070308@optusnet.com.au>

Just type "sudo apt-get install fluxbox" (without the quotation marks) 
in a terminal. When it is finished, logout, change the session to 
fluxbox and log in.

An alternative is to use xfce. Like fluxbox, it has very low cpu usage, 
and in ubuntu has the added advantage of being parcelled with all the 
programs needed to get a fully working desktop. To install it, load the 
ubuntu cd into the drive, and restart the computer. Make sure your 
computer is bootable from cd. When it boots into the cd screen, type 
"server" (without the quotation marks) and press enter. Then go about 
the install as usual. When your computer restarts and finishes 
installing packages, it will show a terminal. Log in, and type "sudo 
nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" (without the quotation marks). Uncomment 
the lines pertaining to the universe repository. Press Ctrl+X and the 
enter and then anter again. Afterwards, type "sudo apt-get install 
xubuntu-desktop" (without the quotation marks) and wait for the install 
to finish. When it is done, restart the computer.



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 04:30:17 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:30:17 +1100
Subject: (still newbie) kernel compilation issues
Message-ID: <43A63759.70607@optusnet.com.au>

There is a good kernel ompilation guide at 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85064&highlight=kernel+compile



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 19 04:34:50 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:34:50 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512181942s71c4c071u803c8a09f6ca17ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 19:42, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> FYI IIRC Ubuntu came out of the gate more-or-less AS IT
> CURRENTLY EXISTS!!

Sorry, you remembered incorrectly.

Ubuntu installed Postfix and Mailx by default until it was
dumbed down.  The desktop dumbing-down seems to be an
ongoing task.

The Ubuntu goal relevant to this discussion is that Ubuntu
be Immediately Useful: "You have a full set of business
productivity applications, internet applications, drawing
and graphics applications, and games.  That one CD gives you a
very good desktop environment out of the box, with many
applications for business, home and personal computer users
installed by default."

There's nothing there about Ubuntu being the firmware for
two thousand dollar IPods.

Those of us really using Ubuntu can't afford to lose our
documents, architectural drawings, newspapers, musical
compositions, accounts receivable, recipes, personal
check register, pictures of the grandkids, programming
projects, etc.  We expect Ubuntu to notify us by email
when a backup fails or a mirror breaks or a virus is found
or the anti-virus update fails.  Log files are for
investigating problems, not problem notifications.  Popups
are transient - what if the grandkids were slaughtering
bad guys when the mirror breaks?  Email is both the
traditional and best solution and in fact the only one
that works until you implement something better.

Now if Ubuntu has changed direction, and has decided to
dumb itself down rather than keep its top-level promise
of being immediately useful and its mid-level promise of
switching from exim to postfix as the required MTA, then
Ubuntu should tell us so that those of us who have people
who rely on our advice can start evaluating distros again.

Hopefully, though, this dumbing down is all a mistake by
some mid-level PHB and will be fixed when Canonical's
brains are back online.

--Mike Bird




From c2002z at msn.com  Mon Dec 19 04:41:23 2005
From: c2002z at msn.com (Chris Zolton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:41:23 -0600
Subject: help with Epson Stylus Photo 820 printer
Message-ID: <BAY106-F503DB9D2C5F5457DFF9E5DC3F0@phx.gbl>

I am new to Ubuntu and Linux in general.  I have it all installed and it 
looks like everything works except my Epson Stylus Photo 820 printer.  
Ubuntu can print on my printer, but it will not give me the maintenance 
window.  In Windows, when I print a window pops up with a print tab and a 
maintenance tab (where I can clean the heads before printing).  With Ubuntu, 
the window pops up but there is not maintenance tab.  Not being able to 
clean the heads, it just prints a blank page.

It is likely that all Epson Stylus Photo printers have this problem.  Has 
anyone else run into this problem and solved it?

Thanks,
Chris





From robitaille at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 04:51:48 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:51:48 -0800
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <1134946047.6778.104.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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	<67b873-o0b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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> Why have a Wiki if disastrous decisions are being made in
> backrooms or on IRC?  The benevolent dictator for life or
> one of his immediate lieutenants needs to make it clear that
> this will be fixed for Dapper and that it won't happen again.
>
> Mark needs to hire people with real world experience (sorry,
> I'm busy) instead of a team which mandates totally unnecessary
> IPV6 DNS delays while killing mail and crippling menus.

Why don't you tell him directly?
 https://launchpad.net/people/sabdfl


Or ask to be heard at the next technical board?
  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/techboard/

Various quotes from that web page:

"The Ubuntu Technical Board is responsible for the technical direction
that Ubuntu takes. The Technical Board makes final decisions over
package selection, packaging policy, installation system and process,
toolchain, kernel, X server, library versions and dependencies, and
any other matter which requires technical supervision in Ubuntu."

"The Board meets at least every two weeks, on IRC."

"You can submit an item or proposal for discussion by the Technical
Board using the wiki page TechnicalBoardAgenda."

"Technical Board meetings are open to all interested parties, but the
Board seeks only to find consensus amongst Board members, and
representatives from the Team that submitted the proposal."

"You can submit an item or proposal for discussion by the Technical
Board using the wiki page TechnicalBoardAgenda."


It seems very much like that if people feel very strongly about the
issue, they can easily take it up to any developers, by emails or on
IRC, or to bring it to that governing body of Ubuntu.  It would seem
doing this is a more efficient and organized way of going forward in
this debate than simply doing endless arguments on this list.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 19 04:59:29 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:59:29 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 20:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> Ubuntu has shown that less is more.
> 
> In a year this distro has gone from nothing to being one of the
> top-ranked versions of Linux, while eschewing the kitchen sink
> philosophy inherent in the likes of RedHat/Fedora Core. It provides
> what is needed to get most people's job done. Nothing more. Nothing
> less.

Please Eric, check your facts.  One of our reasons for switching
from Fedora to Ubuntu was because Ubuntu has more, not less:

   Fedora Core 4             1794 packages
   Fedora Extras 4           1858 packages

   Ubuntu 5.10 Main          4036 packages
   Ubuntu 5.10 Restricted      34 packages
   Ubuntu 5.10 Universe     13224 packages
   Ubuntu 5.10 Multiverse     469 packages

Those are the latest figures from our mirror.  Others may
disagree but not by much.

Now Debian/Ubuntu packages are finer-grained, particularly for
libraries, but there's still overwhelmingly more included in
Ubuntu.

Another key reason why we switched was because Fedora abandoned
LILO while Ubuntu allowed us to install a sensible starting
configuration on the first pass.  Little did we suspect that
Ubuntu would be downgraded in Breezy to discard system emails!

I *confidently* predict that if Ubuntu follows Fedora's dumbing
down strategy that Ubuntu's ratings will follow Fedora's too.

--Mike Bird




From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 05:30:37 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:30:37 +0500
Subject: System Monitor/Services
Message-ID: <43A6457D.9000607@gmail.com>

Hi,

I have noticed that "Ending" these services from System Monitor makes no 
difference at all:

Bonobo Activation Server
GNome Keyring Daemon
SSHD Agent
Mapping Daemon

What are they good for?  I still get to do _all_ my work - including 
browsing the Internet.

--
TIA,

Asif




From mpalmer at hezmatt.org  Mon Dec 19 05:31:00 2005
From: mpalmer at hezmatt.org (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:31:00 +1100
Subject: apache2
In-Reply-To: <874q55227z.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <874q55227z.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051219053100.GC32593@hezmatt.org>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:30:08PM -0500, Sean Sieger wrote:
> I have tried to use apachectl to restart apache,
> but it doesn't work -- how do I restart apache?

apache2ctl or /etc/init.d/apache2 should do the trick.

- Matt



From noahdain at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 05:37:48 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:37:48 -0500
Subject: Disk chatter every 5 seconds
In-Reply-To: <aa2cdde20512181638t5d00394fnc7ee8aab080b2782@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa2cdde20512181241o6c75f339r8ae2d31feacbd69@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A5F7FB.9010105@csee.wvu.edu>
	<aa2cdde20512181638t5d00394fnc7ee8aab080b2782@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5f317b0512182137x1bb2357djde848e0aeaac1553@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, Daniel Allen <dada.da at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks. I've checked /var/log/* and nothing's updating at that
> frequency.  I also neglected to mention that I unset APM (hdparm -B
> 255) on the one drive that supported it.  I'm not sure if there are
> other hdparm settings that might be helpful here; googling didn't seem
> to find anything.
>
> As you suggested, I updated /etc/fstab; I ran mount -o remount noatime
> , but no change...
>
> -Daniel
>
> On 12/18/05, Scott J. Henson <scotth at csee.wvu.edu> wrote:
> > Daniel Allen wrote:
> >
> > >Ubuntu (5.04 and 5.10) seem to run a device-related daemon (HALd?
> > >udev?) which makes the disk activate in a short burst exactly every 5
> > >seconds.  Since the disk is the loudest part of my home system, the
> > >pattern is sometimes a bit distracting.
> > >
> > >Anybody know what's the cause, and whether it's configurable behavior?
> > > I have done a bit of poking, but I haven't been able to isolate it,
> > >beyond that it doesn't happen in runlevel 2, and it doesn't stay
> > >active long enough to show up in 'top'.
> > >
> > >
> > That 5 seconds sounds an aweful lot like the 5 second commit interval
> > that ext3fs has.  So its not hald or udev directly.  Its probably
> > something doing some logging or something else.  You may also think your
> > not writting anything to disk, but every you access a file the atime
> > must be updated, so that needs to be written to disk.  On my laptop I
> > set the noatime option on all my partitions.  This will keep it from
> > updating that.  Also you should check in /var/log to see if anything is
> > writting too much to disk and see if you can scilence it.  Generally
> > setting the noatime mount option fixes it.  You can set this in
> > /etc/fstab.  Man mount for a full description of this option.
> >
> > --

try using the commit= mount option to change the write commit times.

also, to see what is accessing the disk:  echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump;
and then tail dmesg.  Just don't forget to turn off block_dump when
you are done.

--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 05:32:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:32:38 -0500
Subject: help with Epson Stylus Photo 820 printer
References: <BAY106-F503DB9D2C5F5457DFF9E5DC3F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <emperor.209vgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Chris Zolton Wrote: 
> I am new to Ubuntu and Linux in general.  I have it all installed and it
> 
> looks like everything works except my Epson Stylus Photo 820 printer.  
> Ubuntu can print on my printer, but it will not give me the maintenance
> 
> window.  In Windows, when I print a window pops up with a print tab and
> a 
> maintenance tab (where I can clean the heads before printing).  With
> Ubuntu, 
> the window pops up but there is not maintenance tab.  Not being able to
> 
> clean the heads, it just prints a blank page.
> 
> It is likely that all Epson Stylus Photo printers have this problem. 
> Has 
> anyone else run into this problem and solved it?
> 

There is a commandline utility named "escputil" that can perform the
maintenence tasks. Install "escputil" using Synaptic.

I have read that KDE's print interface may integrate the maintenence
features in some Epson printers; not sure if Ubuntu supports this
however as I use Gnome.


-- 
emperor



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:02:35 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:02:35 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512182202y642f50fdqc7e24e5a48a179b4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 20:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > Ubuntu has shown that less is more.
> >
[snip]
>
> Please Eric, check your facts.  One of our reasons for switching
> from Fedora to Ubuntu was because Ubuntu has more, not less:

The phrase "less is more" should not be interpreted literally... If
you do, you change the meaning of it and attribute something to Eric
which he did not say.

[snip impressive package counts]

> Those are the latest figures from our mirror.  Others may
> disagree but not by much.
>
> Now Debian/Ubuntu packages are finer-grained, particularly for
> libraries, but there's still overwhelmingly more included in
> Ubuntu.
>
> Another key reason why we switched was because Fedora abandoned
> LILO while Ubuntu allowed us to install a sensible starting
> configuration on the first pass.  Little did we suspect that
> Ubuntu would be downgraded in Breezy to discard system emails!

Okay, we get it. You miss Postfix. What do you think I should say then
that *regularly* use the netboot installer? On my install media of
choice I have hardly anything, no desktop env, no MTA, no MUA... Do
you think I should kick up a stink about missing packages as well? If
you are missing packages, and they can not be found in the repo's,
then you would have a point. As it stands, I think you do not. FWIW, I
*rely* on postfix, I installed Breezy from scratch, I run LogWatch,
apcupsd, smartmond and clamav - and I am perfectly happy with Ubuntu!

If you *really* want more un the install media, pour effort into a DVD
ISO project. You can fit 8 CD's worth of stuff on there. Not only
could you get Postfix back, but you could have qmail, sendmail and
exim as well, and the whole of Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Enlightenment DR16
_and_ DR17 (alpha, beta or whatever) and more.
You could probably sheohorn in most if not all of the universe repo on
the DVD. If you make the ISO for a dual layer writer, you have 9GB to
play with.

> I *confidently* predict that if Ubuntu follows Fedora's dumbing
> down strategy that Ubuntu's ratings will follow Fedora's too.

Equally confident, I predict that if Ubuntu is still being backed by
the people working on it today (who makes an exellent distribution
b.t.w.) Ubuntu will still be around in 5-10 years time, and still be
a, if not 'the', leader.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From tim.timmerman at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:10:19 2005
From: tim.timmerman at gmail.com (Tim T.)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:10:19 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu on IBM thinkcentre S50
In-Reply-To: <kenweill.204iva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <2feab1730512152225u5f425328r366aced17e63b1da@mail.gmail.com>
	<kenweill.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<kenweill.204iva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <2feab1730512182210x115dd409u80e183841b5266d6@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> Make sure you've booted the box with the "noapic" and "apic=off" kernel
> command line options; without these you'll find it (the A50) freezes
> regularly (at least on the newer revisions this is true)


Thanks!  This works.. It's now monday morning, the system was left on over
the weekendd, and
the load is still close to zero.

TimT.

hi
>
> some say that you(we) have to include the "noapic" and "apic=off" in
> the kernel command line options.
>
>
>
> I haven't tried it yet. I just hope it works.
>
>
> --
> kenweill
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From senectus at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:21:00 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:21:00 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu on IBM thinkcentre S50
In-Reply-To: <2feab1730512182210x115dd409u80e183841b5266d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2feab1730512152225u5f425328r366aced17e63b1da@mail.gmail.com>
	<kenweill.204g3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<kenweill.204iva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<2feab1730512182210x115dd409u80e183841b5266d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512182221w661e30f4sd958415601f7631a@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if your aware but there is a fairly busy mail list for the
purpose of sorting linux on thinkpad problems (not that it's often a
problem)
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

You might find that useful..


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Mon Dec 19 06:56:45 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:56:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Samba problem
References: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20051219T075143-619@post.gmane.org>

Michael Satterwhite <michael <at> weblore.com> writes:

> 
> 
> I'm running Samba on Ubuntu linux. I'm trying set it up so that my
> Windows laptop can use my home directory on the linux box. I've
> configured the home directory as follows
>...
> read only = no
> username = michael
> comment = My home directory
> path = /home/michael
> 
> When I try to write to the file on my Windows box, however, it shows the
> directory to be read-only. What am I missing?
> 
What about this?  On another distro (I'm new to Ubuntu), I've had trouble
accessing files in a directory to which I (as root) had given myself (as user)
unrestricted access.  I found that I had to extend the access to the
directory recursively using chmod.  Ubuntu would not recognise you as the owner
of the file if you are not logged in as the user.  Maybe??






From basvg at cs.ru.nl  Mon Dec 19 07:33:14 2005
From: basvg at cs.ru.nl (Bas van Gils)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:33:14 +0100
Subject: splash screen setup
In-Reply-To: <endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
	<endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:45:42PM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> In terminal:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     sudo apt-get install gnome-splashscreen-manager
> 
>   killall gnome-panel
> 
>   sudo -k
> --------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> System>Preferences>Splash Screen

Hmmm ok, that makes it easier to select the *image* you want to see on the
splash screen. It does nothing to select the background color. I have set it
globally by edditing

  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf

but that's ugly since it makes it a global setting :-( Thanks for the help
though!

  Bas

-- 
<Bas.vanGils at cs.ru.nl> - GPG Key ID: 2768A493  -  http://www.cs.ru.nl/~basvg
Radboud University Nijmegen Institute for Computing and Information Sciences

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From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 07:38:46 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:38:46 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <op.s1zp48ns3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1zp48ns3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512182338x220c092if236ae6d2a66da40@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, list.account at gmx.net <list.account at gmx.net> wrote:
> once more.

Use initng. I have an Acer 292Lmi laptop and initng speeded VERY MUCH
the boot process (from POST message to Gnome: about 30-35 seconds),
but also shutdown is faster: ONLY 3 SECONDS!!!



From mario.splivalo at mobart.hr  Mon Dec 19 07:38:49 2005
From: mario.splivalo at mobart.hr (Mario Splivalo)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:38:49 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1134977930.8269.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 17:29 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Kubuntu has replaced Windows XP on 5 (all) machines in my house!

> There's NO reason to keep Windows, really!

I have few reasons for keeping windows. Unreal Tournament runs too fast
on my laoptop where I have ATI X300 card. (On my home box with nVidia
runs perfectly under linux). Need for Speed won't run under Linux. Age
of Empires - same thing. CoolEdit is far more superior than Audacity,
and I use it quite often. Although I can run CoolEdit under wine, I
can't record or play sound. And I still can't synchronize my
WindowsSmartphone phone with Evolution (or anything else, for that
matter). Synchronization runs smoothly with Ipaq or any other
WindowsMobile device.

Still, only on laptop I have dualboot setup, because sometimes we play
UT or NeedforSpeed :)

At home, I have devoted other PC for
CoolEdit/TraktorDJStudio/otheraudiostuff, the 'main' PC has only Ubuntu.

As a Debian lover/user i love Ubuntu.

	Mike




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 07:49:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:49:22 -0500
Subject: Samba problem
References: <43A41E14.1040209@weblore.com>
	<loom.20051219T075143-619@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <alamba.20a1xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Here's your solution buddy:

# By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change next
# parameter to 'yes' if you want to be able to write to them.
writable = no

Copy-paste from /etc/samba/smb.conf

Akshay


-- 
alamba



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 08:27:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:27:56 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134977930.8269.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <senectus.20a3sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm actually change my methods and expectations to fit with my now
one-eye'd Linuxness :-P



I'm getting rid of my winCE (heh) smartphone and I'm going to buy a 3G
symbian based smartphone, mostly because i need the linux sync to
actually _work_.



I've just converted my Mother over to ubuntu again, this time I think
it'll stick.


-- 
senectus



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 09:09:05 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:09:05 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 04:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:

> D) "Ubuntu needs to accomodate the needs of its users within the
> stated goal of providing the simplicity of a one CD installation. If
> the plurality of its users use package X and the plurality of users
> do not use package Y, then package Y can safely be removed from the
> distro to make room for package X. Package Y will still be available
> to the main repository for installation, if desired."

How about this Eric?

I download Kubuntu because I prefer the KDE desktop, and also want to 
run some Gnome applications, but not the whole of Gnome.  I go to the 
repositories and find I cannot download the Gnome desktop without it 
taking out KDE.  So I try to download individual packages, then find 
some will install but others won't as the basic dependencies are not 
present and won't be installed. (This is my experience).

So I add the Debian repositories to my apt-get sources.list and from 
there I download Gnome packages that refuse to run under Kubuntu 
because there is an incompatibility between the Debian and Ubuntu 
versions. (Again my experience).

So I ask that the necessary changes be made in the content of the CD to 
allow packages from both the major desktops to be installed.  You can 
install Kubuntu packages from within Ubuntu, but I can't find any way 
of installing Ubuntu packages from within Kubuntu.  Now if I can't 
download packages and their dependencies, unless only those within the 
Ubuntu repositories, Ubuntu is not keeping to the spirit of the Debian 
system and is in danger of becoming a fork rather than contributing to 
it.  It is also reducing my range of choice in the matter.

Mike Bird's very eloquent complaints about the MTAs is a case in point.  
Somebody, somewhere, has decided that MTAs should be changed.  As 
postfix et al were in Hoary, they were presumably part of the one-disc 
distro that gave everybody the ESSENTIAL packages that reinforced 
security.  Without any warning, these packages are not installed with 
the Breezy CD, and for some leave a security hole.  I'm not sure if 
these packages are in the Breezy repositories, but suppose for a moment 
they are not, where are you to get them and be sure they work (remember 
these are security packages)?  From Debian?  They MIGHT work properly, 
but again they might not, and as Ubuntu is not 100% Debian compatible 
at present, surely steps should be made to ensure that packages in the 
Debian repositories work with Ubuntu?

If that doesn't happen, Ubuntu will continue its progress and become a 
fork of Debian, which is the worst of all worlds.  So I am asking that 
the install disk should include dependencies and packages to all both 
Gnome and KDE to be downloaded, and to allow Debian packages to be 
installed and run to make sure this DOES not happen.

-- 

Old Rocker








From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 09:17:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:17:34 -0500
Subject: Windows XP Pro $49.95 MS 2003
References: <rZPIZ2lfXIyGwqkNARUWY9be@dawnyohr.com>
Message-ID: <iansyngin.20a5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


delete this thread please


-- 
iansyngin



From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Mon Dec 19 09:22:32 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:22:32 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1134984152.7303.100.camel@localhost.localdomain>

mån 2005-12-19 klockan 09:09 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 04:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> I download Kubuntu because I prefer the KDE desktop, and also want to 
> run some Gnome applications, but not the whole of Gnome.  I go to the 
> repositories and find I cannot download the Gnome desktop without it 
> taking out KDE.  So I try to download individual packages, then find 
> some will install but others won't as the basic dependencies are not 
> present and won't be installed. (This is my experience).
> 
> So I add the Debian repositories to my apt-get sources.list and from 
> there I download Gnome packages that refuse to run under Kubuntu 
> because there is an incompatibility between the Debian and Ubuntu 
> versions. (Again my experience).
> 
> So I ask that the necessary changes be made in the content of the CD to 
> allow packages from both the major desktops to be installed.

How about fixing kubuntu so it allows you to install Gnome as needed
instead? Feels like a much less convoluted solution, and one that will
not adversely affect a lot of people that do not have this problem.



-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 09:32:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:32:40 -0500
Subject: Windows XP Pro $49.95 MS 2003
References: <rZPIZ2lfXIyGwqkNARUWY9be@dawnyohr.com>
	<iansyngin.20a5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <LoclynGrey.20a6km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Wtf!!!


-- 
LoclynGrey



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 09:42:07 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:42:07 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I download Kubuntu because I prefer the KDE desktop, and also want to
> run some Gnome applications, but not the whole of Gnome.  I go to the
> repositories and find I cannot download the Gnome desktop without it
> taking out KDE.  So I try to download individual packages, then find
> some will install but others won't as the basic dependencies are not
> present and won't be installed. (This is my experience).

How about "apt-get install gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment" ?

I did it the other way around, installed Ubuntu, then installed
kubuntu-desktop and I find that works a treat.

> So I add the Debian repositories to my apt-get sources.list and from
> there I download Gnome packages that refuse to run under Kubuntu
> because there is an incompatibility between the Debian and Ubuntu
> versions. (Again my experience).

And you headed straight for the gun-foot option. Unless you know
exactly what you are doing, don't add debian repos to a Ubuntu
install, as you will most likely break things.

It amazes me how many people seem absolutely desperate to edit
sources.list to include random Debian repos, when almost all packages
are available in the Ubuntu repos.

> So I ask that the necessary changes be made in the content of the CD to
> allow packages from both the major desktops to be installed.  You can
> install Kubuntu packages from within Ubuntu, but I can't find any way
> of installing Ubuntu packages from within Kubuntu.  Now if I can't
> download packages and their dependencies, unless only those within the
> Ubuntu repositories, Ubuntu is not keeping to the spirit of the Debian
> system and is in danger of becoming a fork rather than contributing to
> it.  It is also reducing my range of choice in the matter.

Ubuntu and Kubuntu are in essence *the* *same* *distribution* but with
a different skin. All packages from Ubuntu are available in Kubuntu,
and vice versa. They are not two different distributions, just two
facets of the same distribution.

> Mike Bird's very eloquent complaints about the MTAs is a case in point.

Nope.

> Somebody, somewhere, has decided that MTAs should be changed.  As
> postfix et al were in Hoary, they were presumably part of the one-disc
> distro that gave everybody the ESSENTIAL packages that reinforced
> security.  Without any warning, these packages are not installed with
> the Breezy CD, and for some leave a security hole.  I'm not sure if
> these packages are in the Breezy repositories, but suppose for a moment
> they are not, where are you to get them and be sure they work (remember
> these are security packages)?  From Debian?  They MIGHT work properly,
> but again they might not, and as Ubuntu is not 100% Debian compatible
> at present, surely steps should be made to ensure that packages in the
> Debian repositories work with Ubuntu?

As I said in a previous post, I run postfix, I rely on it being
available, I installed Breezy from scratch, I still have Postfix
available as it is is the repository.

As for "surely steps should be made to ensure that packages in the
Debian repositories work with Ubuntu" - why? If you want to run
Debian, run Debian!

> If that doesn't happen, Ubuntu will continue its progress and become a
> fork of Debian, which is the worst of all worlds.  So I am asking that
> the install disk should include dependencies and packages to all both
> Gnome and KDE to be downloaded, and to allow Debian packages to be
> installed and run to make sure this DOES not happen.

I don't get your, or Mike's, gripe. On one hand, you don't want Debian
for some reason, but when Ubuntu does not do exactly what Debian does,
there is something terrible going on and Ubuntu is under attack. On
the other hand, when you have installed Ubuntu, you are making every
effort to include as much of Debian as you can, editing sources.list
and installing this and that from the Debian repositories, and then it
is Ubuntu's fault when it breaks?

As far as I can tell, both the KDE and the Gnome side of Breezy works
very well, both are easy to install side-by-side. At the moment, KDE
suits me better, but in a month, XFCE might be what I am using, as
requirements change. I don't see any particular evidence of a "dumbing
down" of any desktop. They are getting easier to use, and more
polished, but since when has that been a fault? Anyone requiring a
hard-worked desktop, just install EvilWM or RatPoison and be happy.
*shudder*

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From heiler at gmx.de  Mon Dec 19 09:38:35 2005
From: heiler at gmx.de (Matthias Heiler)
Date: 19 Dec 2005 10:38:35 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <36w4q55tois.fsf@hundertwasser.ti.uni-mannheim.de>

Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> writes:

> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 15:35, Peter Garrett wrote:
> > See
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
> > 
> > I guess this kind of "thinking aloud" is part of the process, but some of
> > the suggestions on the link above make my hair stand on end <grin>
> 
> Thanks for the warning.  Fedora went down to the Gnome Thought
> Police.  Now Ubuntu.  Do these people actually do real work on
> Linux systems?  You don't make users Nautigate to their files
> when they can open the app in the menu and Open File or even
> Open Recent.  Jeez, get a clue!  In fact, here's one for you:
> Anytime you think you know the only politically correct way to
> do something technical - you're wrong.
> 
> FREEDOM MEANS CHOICES, NOT THE ONE AND ONLY OFFICIALLY
> SANCTIONED CHOICE.
> 
> We lost Postfix due to a campaign by a guy who hasn't used
> it since Warty.  And Mailx to "an accident".

I think your posting is important but mixes two things up:

1.) "Simplifying" the system by removing functionality (postfix/mailx example).

2.) "Simplifying" the system by hiding functionality: The menu items
    go, so the user is forced to access, e.g., image files always through
    the file manager.  (That's what above link is mostly about.)

Concerning 1.) I comment that I'm using kubuntu and I'd be glad if at
least some _double_ functionality would go away.  (E.g., there are
three or more different multimedia players in the menu, none of which
really works.)

Concerning 2.) developers maybe can take a look how the "user
friendly" OS do it: Microsoft is not forcing users to launch the
explorer for everything.  Apple isn't either.  Also, they aren't
forcing the user to install the terminal manually.

With best wishes,

  Matthias






From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 09:42:47 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:42:47 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3f1760512190142q4860a3al@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>  Ubuntu is not keeping to the spirit of the Debian
> system and is in danger of becoming a fork rather than contributing to
> it.  It is also reducing my range of choice in the matter.

Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, isn't it?

You chose to install Kubuntu, isn't there a Kubuntu list somewhere you
could complain about this on?


> Mike Bird's very eloquent complaints about the MTAs is a case in point.

Mike knows what he's doing and could easily install postfix if he feels he
needs it.

> Without any warning, these packages are not installed with
> the Breezy CD, and for some leave a security hole.

Hows' that?


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 09:53:10 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:53:10 +0100
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
Message-ID: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, someone has tested GNOME 2.13.x? Is it faster than 2.12?
--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From julio.biason at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 10:01:03 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:01:03 -0200
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512190201p1d2c57c7h@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, someone has tested GNOME 2.13.x? Is it faster than 2.12?

I'm using it with Dapper. Right now, I think it is the same speed, but
my CPU (Pentium M) is not going scaling down, staying at full speed
all the time. On my non-scientific tests, it seems that GTK is slower
than normal, due the use of Cairo (and, again, that's just my opinion,
I have no data to support it).

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Mon Dec 19 07:40:07 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:40:07 -0500
Subject: NOTSOLVED: removable Media
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org> <teaker1s.1zzucm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<dno7rj$b2u$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200512161029.22085.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <nn4i73-11b.ln1@don.localnet>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:29:21 +0100, Robert Entner 
  <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
>
> I have the exact same problem, except that the presented solution does not 
> work on my system :-(
>
> Plugging in a storage device generates the /dev/sda1 device, but does not 
> get mounted.  Mounting by hand then brings up the desktop icon.
>
> Any other ideas what I could look for?
>
System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media


-- 
Your society will be sought by people of taste and refinement.




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Mon Dec 19 10:45:30 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:45:30 +0100
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134989130.6621.66.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 10:53 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi, someone has tested GNOME 2.13.x? Is it faster than 2.12?

I am testing it on Dapper (righting this from Dapper ;-).
It's difficult to tell you if "it" is faster, because Gnome is not a
monolithic affair. The Gnome boys are working on various parts/aspects
of the Desktop to speed things up, but as Julio pointed out, the
introduction of Cairo is said to slow Gtk down a bit.
Also, Ubuntu are doing further work of their own to further speed Gnome
(and not just Gnome) up.

I can't really sense the overall gtk slow down, however I can certainly
feel that Gnome is significantly faster to start up. And I very much
appreciate it. This coupled with faster boot times, faster log-out / X
start up times, all add up to the feeling that Dapper, at least on my
machine, feels delightfully more responsive/snappy/"light" than Breezy.
I won't be looking back :-)

HTH ?!


--
Vince, Dapper lover




From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 19 11:17:54 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:17:54 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <200512191217.55299.theine@nordita.dk>

> Little did we suspect that Ubuntu would be downgraded in Breezy to discard
> system emails!  

*  Install Hoary

and

*  Install Breezy + sudo apt-get install postfix mailx

provide you with the exact same functionality as far as system mails are 
concerned. Please refrain from making it sound like this functionality was 
totally removed from Ubuntu and like there's no trivial way to get it back.

Tobi



From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 11:17:25 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:17:25 +0100
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
In-Reply-To: <1134989130.6621.66.camel@localhost>
References: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134989130.6621.66.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512190317w6fc6a217r310d9c07971cdb6b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> I can't really sense the overall gtk slow down, however I can certainly
> feel that Gnome is significantly faster to start up. And I very much
> appreciate it. This coupled with faster boot times, faster log-out / X
> start up times, all add up to the feeling that Dapper, at least on my
> machine, feels delightfully more responsive/snappy/"light" than Breezy.
> I won't be looking back :-)

Gnome 2.12 was already fast on shutdown.
But it 's slow on startup and opening Nautilus, but also simple
applications like Terminal...

> HTH ?!

what is it?



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 11:12:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:12:14 -0500
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
References: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134989130.6621.66.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <siucdude.20ab7b@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I also think its faster, I have noticed just with login and logout
mostly.  Just remember its in test right now so there might be some
bugs.  But hey its not fun if its working perfect.  Have fun!!


-- 
siucdude



From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 19 11:30:24 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:30:24 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<1134953020.7303.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200512191230.24515.theine@nordita.dk>

> > Well, I don't see an easy way to bring kubuntu to ubuntu either.
>
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
>
> However, it doesn't work the other way round...

apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Of course it works the other way around.

Tobi



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Mon Dec 19 11:35:08 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:35:08 +0100
Subject: Somone has tested GNOME 2.13.x?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512190317w6fc6a217r310d9c07971cdb6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512190153p71af00e3j5746d6b3e35c2f6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134989130.6621.66.camel@localhost>
	<bbda83370512190317w6fc6a217r310d9c07971cdb6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1134992108.6621.72.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:17 +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Gnome 2.12 was already fast on shutdown.

Well, lucky me then, it's even faster in Dapper then! :-)

> But it 's slow on startup and opening Nautilus, but also simple
> applications like Terminal...

Yes, I did find it annoying that the two small apps I use all the time,
Terminal and Gedit, were really slow to start. But I am pleased to say
that they are now faster. Gedit certainly is (and the change log does
attest this). Terminal I find it also more responsive, although I can't
remember anything about this in its changelog.
Obviously, YMMV

> > HTH ?!
> 
> what is it?

It means "Hope This Helps".

--
Vince

PS: before you ask ;-) "YMMV" means "Your Mileage May Vary".




From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 12:16:37 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:16:37 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512191230.24515.theine@nordita.dk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512190054.18934.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<200512191230.24515.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <200512191216.37925.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 11:30, Tobias Heinemann wrote:

> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
>
> Of course it works the other way around.
>
> Tobi

It didn't here.  Just tried to remove all of kabuntu instead of 
installing ubuntu WITH KDE
-- 

Old Rocker








From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 12:19:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:19:01 -0500
Subject: Switching from lilo to grub
References: <65ecc97c4375c8ce44e128b5f0e3c56a@vevayindiana.net>
	<Azr3n.1zvcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Azr3n.20adza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Farrrkkk Guys. I mean If Windows can setup so easily whats with the
problem with Linux? I mean how hard is it to make a pre-loader that
works with Linux AND Windows - and both Lilo and GRUB don't work... go
figure


-- 
Azr3n



From marweck at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 12:19:43 2005
From: marweck at gmail.com (Marcio Carvalho)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:19:43 -0200
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <senectus.20a3sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134977930.8269.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<senectus.20a3sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <da988b050512190419ybdfa02cmfc0926720313222e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it did.

I use eclipse + CDT to develop my applications.

I use Kile + Tetex to create killer docs and presentations.

I use firefox.

I use totem to watch movies.

I use Gnome.

I still can't use DIA to create diagrams, it's horrible. :(

Actually, I spend months without touching in windows...

Marcio

--
"Do or do not. There is no try."  (Master Yoda)
===========================
         Marcio Ribeiro de Carvalho
 M.Sc.Candidate in Computer Science - UFPE
          mail: marweck at gmail.com
===========================



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 18 21:15:57 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:15:57 -0400
Subject: laptop detection (was Re: dmesg broken)
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com> <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <d50h73-lab.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Toby Kelsey wrote:

> Thilo Six wrote:
>> sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove
>> 
>> This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
>> search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.
> 
> There are also other laptop-specific services I've had to disable
> manually for my desktop system, such as acpi-support and pcmcia.

acpi-support isn't laptop specific - you may still want suspend & hibernate
support, for instance.
> 
> Can't Ubuntu detect whether the system is a laptop and not install/start
> them automatically?

I don't know why you'd have pcmcia - I don't and I _have_ a laptop.  I
suppose I may have removed it...
-- 
derek




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 12:43:24 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:43:24 +0200
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
Message-ID: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

To enable DMA for optical drives you have to google it and edit a conf
file. Why isn't it enabled by default as it is in hard drives?




From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 19 12:45:18 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:45:18 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512191216.37925.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<200512191230.24515.theine@nordita.dk>
	<200512191216.37925.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200512191345.18616.theine@nordita.dk>

> > apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
> >
> > Of course it works the other way around.
>
> It didn't here.  Just tried to remove all of kabuntu instead of
> installing ubuntu WITH KDE

This seems to be a particularity of your installation then. At least, this has 
always worked for me. Are you using Breezy or Dapper? Try to find out which 
of your installed packages actually conflict with ubuntu-desktop.

Regards,
Tobi



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 12:49:25 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:49:25 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 09:42, Anders Karlsson wrote:

> I don't get your, or Mike's, gripe. On one hand, you don't want
> Debian for some reason, but when Ubuntu does not do exactly what
> Debian does, there is something terrible going on and Ubuntu is under
> attack. On the other hand, when you have installed Ubuntu, you are
> making every effort to include as much of Debian as you can, editing
> sources.list and installing this and that from the Debian
> repositories, and then it is Ubuntu's fault when it breaks?

One aspect of the philosophy of the Debian system is that the packages 
are in various repositories which signify their stability, and that all 
packages should be available with their dependencies.  Ubuntu is 
supposed to be part of the Debian system, which means that all packages 
should be available.

You are talking as though Ubuntu is a completely different type of 
distro to Debian, which makes Ubuntu non-Debian.  In other words, it is 
a fork in Debian.  Much better to make Ubuntu a better installer and 
better front end to the Debian packages.

It is Ubuntu's fault when fully compatible Debian packages break due to 
their not being compatible with the main core, because that is NOT why 
Debian was set up.  You should be able to edit the sources.list in 
apt-get and set pinning to ensure you get packages from the 
repositories you want; this is why it was included in apt-get.

Now, if your argument is that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are fine and its just 
as you want, I can understand that.  However, I am concerned that the 
Debian system is being forked while this is happening.  As part of the 
open source community we should be working towards making less 
proliferation of the same packages, and making those packages better; 
wouldn't it be better if Ubuntu worked with the same packages as the 
Debian system?  Then we could all use the same packages....

In a recent article in the UK magazine "Linux Format" this was said:

"There is tension between the Debian Project and its offspring, 
particularly the recent offshoot Ubuntu.  Debian developers have 
debated whether Ubuntu is actually a derivative or a more dangerous 
fork, and whether Ubuntu developers do enough to feed their changes 
back to Debian package maintainers."

I'm not sure if that last point is true, but its a red flag, a pointer, 
to dangers ahead if Ubuntu and Debian continue to diverge.  It is 
certain that Ubuntu's development has all the signs of being a fork, 
which would be dangerous for the whole Debian community.

-- 

Old Rocker








From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec 19 12:51:59 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:51:59 +0000
Subject: laptop detection (was Re: dmesg broken)
In-Reply-To: <43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>
References: <43A51949.9010502@davidgonz.com> <do36p8$4a9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<43A5C3B5.9070709@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <20051219125159.GD19720@riva.ucam.org>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:16:53PM +0000, Toby Kelsey wrote:
> Thilo Six wrote:
> > sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove
> > 
> > This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
> > search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.
> 
> There are also other laptop-specific services I've had to disable
> manually for my desktop system, such as acpi-support and pcmcia.
> 
> Can't Ubuntu detect whether the system is a laptop and not install/start
> them automatically?

Warty to Breezy already did so for pcmcia-cs (more accurately, it
checked whether you had any PCMCIA sockets). In Dapper we've just gone
for installing the new pcmciautils by default, since it simplifies a
number of things and has minimal impact on the system.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 12:51:52 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:51:52 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512190142q4860a3al@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<3f1760512190142q4860a3al@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512191251.52836.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 19 December 2005 09:42, Dick Davies wrote:

> Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, isn't it?

All the evidence is that it is NOT yet a fork of Debian, but it has the 
potential to be one, and that is to be deprecated.  We should be 
working TOGETHER in the community and not working against each other.

-- 

Old Rocker








From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 13:02:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:02:40 -0500
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <frodon.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Because old drives don't support DMA and it's why, i think, DMA is not
set by default.


-- 
frodon



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 13:13:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:13:48 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><1071489195.20051201113241@freenet.de><200512011541.34078.james@grayonline.id.au><644815690.20051201120105@freenet.de><teaker1s.1zd9dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051201151538.35fd9a53.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk><fb0833c0512010730l60c3354aq@mail.gmail.com><harisund.207cpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134854367.26193.29.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<harisund.20879y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Narwhal.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


First Linux box I've set up. Trying BOINC projects to see how they'll
do. If it works out might move the other 15 over. Still not sure how
well it will do with dual dual core computers.


-- 
Narwhal



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 13:25:27 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:25:27 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512190525i2aa647cah167a8db49862e525@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 09:42, Anders Karlsson wrote:
>
> > I don't get your, or Mike's, gripe. On one hand, you don't want
> > Debian for some reason, but when Ubuntu does not do exactly what
> > Debian does, there is something terrible going on and Ubuntu is under
> > attack. On the other hand, when you have installed Ubuntu, you are
> > making every effort to include as much of Debian as you can, editing
> > sources.list and installing this and that from the Debian
> > repositories, and then it is Ubuntu's fault when it breaks?
>
> One aspect of the philosophy of the Debian system is that the packages
> are in various repositories which signify their stability, and that all
> packages should be available with their dependencies.  Ubuntu is
> supposed to be part of the Debian system, which means that all packages
> should be available.

The philosophy of Debian - yes. But you are not using Debian, are you?
Ubuntu tries to maintain a closeness to Ubuntu, but from what I have
read, gives no guarantee about being 100% compatible. Rather there are
warnings saying the likelyhood of non-campatibility is rather high.

> You are talking as though Ubuntu is a completely different type of
> distro to Debian, which makes Ubuntu non-Debian.  In other words, it is
> a fork in Debian.  Much better to make Ubuntu a better installer and
> better front end to the Debian packages.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I'll defend your right to have
it, even if you are wrong. Ubuntu != Debian, and the sooner that is
cleared up, the better. IF you can install a Debian package in Ubuntu
(and vice versa) that has more to do with luck than intent. It is all
in the docs on the ubuntu webpages.

Ubuntu is based upon Debian, but it is not Debian. The updates, tweaks
and enhancements made to Ubuntu is available to the Debian developers
to include in Debian at their leisure. Ubuntu moves fast, apparently
to fast for some. I kind of like the Ubuntu "a new stable every six
months, like clockwork" rather than the Debian "oh, a stable - yeah,
sometime we'll get around to that I suppose, it's only been three
years...".

> It is Ubuntu's fault when fully compatible Debian packages break due to
> their not being compatible with the main core, because that is NOT why
> Debian was set up.  You should be able to edit the sources.list in
> apt-get and set pinning to ensure you get packages from the
> repositories you want; this is why it was included in apt-get.

No, it is not. It *may* work - installing Debian packages in Ubuntu,
but there are *no* guarantees about it working. If you expected it to
work, you did not read the docs.

You keep saying "fully compatible Debian packages", please show where
in the Ubuntu docs that is mentioned that it will always and forever
work flawlessly.

From what I remember, not even on Debian, and only Debian, was it
entirely safe mixing packages from different releases, let alone
distributions. (I remember severe problems with XFree86...)

> Now, if your argument is that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are fine and its just
> as you want, I can understand that.  However, I am concerned that the
> Debian system is being forked while this is happening.  As part of the
> open source community we should be working towards making less
> proliferation of the same packages, and making those packages better;
> wouldn't it be better if Ubuntu worked with the same packages as the
> Debian system?  Then we could all use the same packages....

Personally, I could not care less if some people want a flamewar about
a fork. Ubuntu != Debian.

Mark Shuttleworth et al, have done, and keep doing an enormous amount
of great work with Ubuntu. It is work that benefits Debian as well you
know. So you may want to go read Ubuntu's mission statements and
related docs...

It would be a lovely idea if everyone could use everyone elses
packages. How about settling what package format to use? RPM, v3 or
v4? Debians format? tar.gz? MINE?
Then there is the issue of *where* to install things. To FHS or not to
FHS. Look at Red Hat (ick!) and try and get them to conform...

What I am saying is, if you want to use Debian packages, install
Debian. More or less every package you find in Debian is available in
Ubuntu, with minor tweaks or subtly different dependencies. But they
are there. Why stubbornly insist "I believe I should be able to
install any Debian package in Ubuntu because I want to and if it
doesn't work I'll complain until blue in the face, even if there is a
Ubuntu version of the package that I could not be bothered to locate"
?

Excuse the sarcasm...

> In a recent article in the UK magazine "Linux Format" this was said:
>
> "There is tension between the Debian Project and its offspring,
> particularly the recent offshoot Ubuntu.  Debian developers have
> debated whether Ubuntu is actually a derivative or a more dangerous
> fork, and whether Ubuntu developers do enough to feed their changes
> back to Debian package maintainers."

It will have to stand for Linux Format and their reporter. I am sure
that if the Debian co-ordinators have a problem, they'll talk to Mark
directly.

> I'm not sure if that last point is true, but its a red flag, a pointer,
> to dangers ahead if Ubuntu and Debian continue to diverge.  It is
> certain that Ubuntu's development has all the signs of being a fork,
> which would be dangerous for the whole Debian community.

*sigh* It is a moot point, as Ubuntu is based on unstable, and a
re-sync happens every six months iirc. Give it a rest dude.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 13:29:09 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:29:09 +1100
Subject: System Monitor/Services
Message-ID: <43A6B5A5.8060605@optusnet.com.au>

Hey,

The Bonobo activation server tracks information about installed 
components and brokers components, in conjunction with it's client 
library; libbonobo-activation.

The gnome-keyring-daemon keeps the password and secrets for a session.

The SSHD handles secure shell connections.

All three of these are services an ordinary desktop neither needs nor 
takes advantage of, you might as well get them not to start.

I don't know what the Mapping daemon does but chances are it has a 
similar nature.



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 13:34:50 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:34:50 +1100
Subject: Irritating e-mails
Message-ID: <43A6B6FA.7030200@optusnet.com.au>

>> Well, I don't see an easy way to bring kubuntu to ubuntu either.
>
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
>
> However, it doesn't work the other way round...

This is just wrong. Please refrain from making these e0mails and helping people if you have no idea. All it does is irritate people and give them completely the wrong idea about almost everything.

In this case you can use apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Sasha




From bassix at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 13:47:49 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:47:49 -0500
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <frodon.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<frodon.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512190547m7c9fa8b4t83e4e5cf611e17a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Because old drives don't support DMA and it's why, i think, DMA is not
> set by default.
>
>
> --
> frodon

Isn't this a little contradictory? For example, by default IPv6 *is*
enabled, which causes browsing problems for systems without this *new*
technology. However DMA is treated the opposite? I rather need to do
some fiddling to get any *old* hardware to work, than to get current
hardware (probably majority) to work.

Just my opinion...



From psychosushi at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 13:55:47 2005
From: psychosushi at optusnet.com.au (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:55:47 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
Message-ID: <43A6BBE3.3080903@optusnet.com.au>

It is meant to install ubuntu with gnome

Ubuntu with KDE is called kubuntu

There is no other difference. read the manual before you post please



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:05:09 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:05:09 -0500
Subject: apache2
References: <874q55227z.fsf@gmail.com> <20051219053100.GC32593@hezmatt.org>
Message-ID: <87zmmxyyga.fsf@gmail.com>

Matthew Palmer <mpalmer at hezmatt.org> writes:

   On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:30:08PM -0500, Sean Sieger wrote:
   > I have tried to use apachectl to restart apache,
   > but it doesn't work -- how do I restart apache?

   apache2ctl or /etc/init.d/apache2 should do the trick.

Thank you, Matthew.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 13:40:51 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:40:51 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1134984152.7303.100.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3spi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Jan Moren wrote:

> mån 2005-12-19 klockan 09:09 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
>> On Monday 19 December 2005 04:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:
>> I download Kubuntu because I prefer the KDE desktop, and also want to
>> run some Gnome applications, but not the whole of Gnome.  I go to the
>> repositories and find I cannot download the Gnome desktop without it
>> taking out KDE.  So I try to download individual packages, then find
>> some will install but others won't as the basic dependencies are not
>> present and won't be installed. (This is my experience).
>> 
>> So I add the Debian repositories to my apt-get sources.list and from
>> there I download Gnome packages that refuse to run under Kubuntu
>> because there is an incompatibility between the Debian and Ubuntu
>> versions. (Again my experience).
>> 
>> So I ask that the necessary changes be made in the content of the CD to
>> allow packages from both the major desktops to be installed.
> 
> How about fixing kubuntu so it allows you to install Gnome as needed
> instead? Feels like a much less convoluted solution, and one that will
> not adversely affect a lot of people that do not have this problem.

I try not to install Gnome packages because I prefer KDE, but every now and
then I try something out that installs huge amounts of Gnome dependencies,
and I've never had a problem yet.  My best guess in this situation is that
the Rocker is using Dapper, and there KDE's not entirely _internally_
consistent (I can't for instance install KMyMoney without losing most of
KDE - or at least, I couldn't last week) let alone consistent with Gnome.  

If you are _not_ using Dapper, and have problems installing any Gnome
packages report it as a bug - most people can run both KDE & Gnome
desktops, though istr problems getting to a Gnome desktop from KDM - so you
might need to use GDM.
-- 
derek




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Mon Dec 19 14:22:55 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:22:55 -0400
Subject: apache2
In-Reply-To: <87zmmxyyga.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <874q55227z.fsf@gmail.com> <20051219053100.GC32593@hezmatt.org>
	<87zmmxyyga.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A6C23F.4020909@davidgonz.com>

Sean Sieger wrote:

>Matthew Palmer <mpalmer at hezmatt.org> writes:
>
>   On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:30:08PM -0500, Sean Sieger wrote:
>   > I have tried to use apachectl to restart apache,
>   > but it doesn't work -- how do I restart apache?
>
>   apache2ctl or /etc/init.d/apache2 should do the trick.
>
>Thank you, Matthew.
>
>
>  
>
Also if you are looking for the newest things you can check the new guides

http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Apache_and_PHP

Enjoy! :)




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 13:43:17 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:43:17 -0400
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> On 12/18/05, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> <ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:43:00 -0500
>> From: "Michael P. Soulier" <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>
>> Subject: Re: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
> 
> I would like good apps Scribus, Inkscape, Sodipodi, Blender, Nvu,
> educational packages, Fluxbox, etc. on the installation CD so that
> everything that a common home user likes to play  with gets installed
> by default when one installs Ubuntu.

You _must_ be joking.  I haven't used _any_ of those.  I installed Scribus
last week and _might_ use it - it looks like it could be useful.

> A nicer GUI such as FluxBox would be a compelling reason for
> them to convert to Ubuntu.

You might like it, but it's not what the "common home user" is looking for.
-- 
derek




From smartssa at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:27:07 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:27:07 -0500
Subject: [breezy] last update broke keyboard shortcuts
Message-ID: <37dd77890512190627y3b014a93gae25dd5561d797a7@mail.gmail.com>

After an dist-upgrade on saturday, and a reboot, I was left with no
keyboard shortcuts.

Opening the keyboard shortcut manager (System -> Preferences ->
Keyboard Shortcuts) the list is completely empty with the exception of
category headers (Desktop, Sound, Window Managment -- and no, they're
not just collapsed! ;) )

This is really really annoying and if anybody has a quick fix I'd
really like to hear it.

Thanks,
--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:32:07 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:32:07 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512191251.52836.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<3f1760512190142q4860a3al@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191251.52836.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3f1760512190632ue607ccax@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 09:42, Dick Davies wrote:
>
> > Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, isn't it?
>
> All the evidence is that it is NOT yet a fork of Debian, but it has the
> potential to be one, and that is to be deprecated.

You're putting forward your personal opinion as fact.
If you want to use Debian, then do.




--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:39:24 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:39:24 +0100
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com>
	<l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Asif Lodhi wrote:
> > I would like good apps Scribus, Inkscape, Sodipodi, Blender, Nvu,
> > educational packages, Fluxbox, etc. on the installation CD so that
> > everything that a common home user likes to play  with gets installed
> > by default when one installs Ubuntu.
>
> You _must_ be joking.  I haven't used _any_ of those.  I installed Scribus
> last week and _might_ use it - it looks like it could be useful.

You never know, he could just be sarcastic against the original wail
that postfix and mailx was 'missing'.

In the same vein, I would vote for WindowMaker (and all its applets),
IceWM and Enlightenment DR17 to be on the install CD, and we can not
forget Exim and Sendmail, we must have plenty of choice! Both emacs
and xemacs with all elisp extensions absolutely *must* be included as
well, and we can not leave out a 2.4 kernel, source etc, for all
architectures. It is all about choice!

And for those that didn't get it, I am extracting the urine - with a
liberal dose of sarcasm...

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:40:48 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:40:48 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <3c743c460512190640p6dfc1493yb19452f955ff20ac@mail.gmail.com>

I don't like Gnome, so I use Kubuntu, and I must say that the KDE desktop
(amongst lots of others) beats Windows any time. Much more elegant and
sophisticated. (My personal opinion is that the WinXP skinnability was
"strongly influenced by" these window managers, so to speak :))

I'm a 3d graphic artist, therefore I have the same problem as the others of
"my kind" :) there's no good Photoshop alternative (at least what I'm aware
of). And GIMP doesn't seem to be an equivalent -- not it's capabilities, but
the UI. (Although I'm planning to give it a second, more serious try,
perhaps I can get used to its awkwardness :))

I wish we somehow got "back" to the situation of pre-MS times, when there
were multiple platforms and operating systems :)



imre

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From cogyfarm at grm.net  Mon Dec 19 14:43:32 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:43:32 -0600
Subject: <mail> command missing?
In-Reply-To: <do467t$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<e453abbe0512171957j5e9c7172h24e9893a20523512@mail.gmail.com>	<1134879020.6778.3.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<e453abbe0512172058k58de1403u8a8565d4b731628a@mail.gmail.com>	<do3lea$62k$1@sea.gmane.org>	<e453abbe0512180808o44a2bae5j7b9694637e27a51c@mail.gmail.com>
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Tristan Wibberley wrote:

>Daniel Robitaille wrote:
>  
>
>>>I also think an nntp server should be configured by default with a few
>>>groups for home user interests too. Also setting up newsreaders on first
>>>use to point to it.
>>>
>>>These are features that should be available on absolutely every install
>>>right off the bat for every user to start using right away without
>>>having to understand how to install and configure a difficult daemon,
>>>and then configure all the family's client programs, because that just
>>>makes Ubuntu *difficult*.
>>>      
>>>
>>I'm not sure there is a big demand for this. How many people nowadays
>>even know what a nntp server is, and have never accessed newsgroups...
>>
>>    
>>
>
>How many people know what php and asp are? Millions still use them every
>day for forums and messaging over internet connections. If you ask
>someone if they would like to be able to use nntp on their machines they
>might respond "What's NNTP?", but ask the same person, "Would you like
>to leave messages for other people that use the computer, so they can
>all see the message and leave answers for when you're next around?" and
>rather more people will answer "Yeah, that might come in handy,"
>especially in a community that all share one computer. If you let them
>use it for a couple of years (making it really easy to get started) then
>I reckon you'll get answers more like "I really want that feature, it's
>turned out to be useful." It would be really useful for things like
>building shopping lists - so if you want something, you just start a
>thread for the next weekly shop and people drop messages on the thread
>to add stuff to the list - then you don't forget anything. But few
>families would realise you could even *do* that let alone put it to good
>use.
>
>Most people when asked if they wanted a computer used to say, "I've
>already got a telephone and television, I don't need a computer," now
>they say a resounding "Yes!". Most people don't think about knew ways of
>doing things, but introduce them to it and before long they'll wonder
>how they ever managed without, and it will become an essential feature
>of a novice user's computer. Postfix and a simple NNTP server won't get
>in anybody's way, aren't very big as packages and aren't big memory/disk
>user's, but when people realise that they can even *do* what these
>programs help them to do without needing an "Advanced Server" system and
>an MCSA they'll be really grateful.
>
>Most people won't use OOo-Base, OOo-Impress, OOo-Math, Gnome Text
>Editor, Calculator (they'd rather use the one on the desk), most of the
>gnome-games (probably just solitaire and minesweeper because those are
>the ones they already know about), etc. How many would actually tell you
>they needed to change the desktop theme, or use the Sessions preference,
>about me, or change the mouse double-click timing. Yet these things are
>all there because while users don't always have visions of what
>computers could compute/process on their behalf, they still recognise
>the value of those things when they find them and try them out.
>
>My parents have had a Windows PC since 1992/3 and they have *never* used
>notepad or write/wordpad even though they knew they were there, but I
>wouldn't for one second suggest removing wordpad. They wouldn't have
>even thought of email as being useful, but get them to try talking to
>their sons through text for free, leaving a message at any time of day
>or night, and they love it and couldn't imagine it not being available.
>
>If you sit around waiting for your users to foresee the utility of a new
>feature you'll never have a useful system.
>
>  
>
I'm in complete agreement with you.  I hadn't even thought of using NNTP 
that way.  and we have a large farmily, that would be a great use for 
it.  We are constantly sending emails to each other in the house and so 
having an "internal" mailsystem that by default DOESN"T go through the 
net would be ideal.
Troy



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 15:09:57 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:09:57 +1100
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com>
	<l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051220020957.d420aab1.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:39:24 +0100
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the same vein, I would vote for WindowMaker (and all its applets),
> IceWM and Enlightenment DR17 to be on the install CD, and we can not
> forget Exim and Sendmail, we must have plenty of choice! Both emacs
> and xemacs with all elisp extensions absolutely *must* be included as
> well, and we can not leave out a 2.4 kernel, source etc, for all
> architectures. It is all about choice!

Why do we need a whole CD for Ubuntu at all ? It could be on one floppy!
And *everyone*  knows the standard editor is "ed" !

<grin>

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From smartssa at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 15:12:27 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:12:27 -0500
Subject: splash screen setup
In-Reply-To: <20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
	<endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Bas van Gils <basvg at cs.ru.nl> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:45:42PM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Hmmm ok, that makes it easier to select the *image* you want to see on the
> splash screen. It does nothing to select the background color. I have set it
> globally by edditing
>
>   /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
>
> but that's ugly since it makes it a global setting :-( Thanks for the help
> though!

Hmm... the background colour should be changed automagically to the
users setting when a user logs in, assuming that user has a background
set that is different.  If they users background has never been
manually changed, it will take the global default.

Have you tried changing your wife's background manually? (right click
on the desktop, change desktop background)


--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 14:42:42 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:42:42 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <43A6BBE3.3080903@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <2gti73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Sasha Tsykin wrote:

> It is meant to install ubuntu with gnome
> 
> Ubuntu with KDE is called kubuntu
> 
> There is no other difference. read the manual before you post please

Please quote properly, and attribute the quotes.  It appears to be some
quirk of you using Mozilla and me using gmane via a newsreader that breaks
the threading, but it would be a lot easier to figure out what you meant if
you quoted.
-- 
derek




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 19 15:20:45 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:20:45 -0500
Subject: Switching from lilo to grub
In-Reply-To: <Azr3n.20adza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <65ecc97c4375c8ce44e128b5f0e3c56a@vevayindiana.net>
	<Azr3n.1zvcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Azr3n.20adza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A6CFCD.1040306@cfl.rr.com>

Grub works just fine with both windows and linux in an out of the box 
install of ubuntu.  Maybe you should try it.

'Forum Post wrote:
> Farrrkkk Guys. I mean If Windows can setup so easily whats with the
> problem with Linux? I mean how hard is it to make a pre-loader that
> works with Linux AND Windows - and both Lilo and GRUB don't work... go
> figure
> 
> 




From basvg at cs.ru.nl  Mon Dec 19 15:22:11 2005
From: basvg at cs.ru.nl (Bas van Gils)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:22:11 +0100
Subject: splash screen setup
In-Reply-To: <37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
	<endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
	<37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051219152211.GA31657@cs.ru.nl>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:12:27AM -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
 
> Hmm... the background colour should be changed automagically to the
> users setting when a user logs in, assuming that user has a background
> set that is different.  If they users background has never been
> manually changed, it will take the global default.
> 
> Have you tried changing your wife's background manually? (right click
> on the desktop, change desktop background)

yep, and that works like a charm. Thing is that it is not the background that
I am referring to. I want to change the color of the background that you see
*after* the login-screen and *before* seeing your own desktop (i.e. the
background of the splash screen)

Cheers

  Bas

-- 
<Bas.vanGils at cs.ru.nl> - GPG Key ID: 2768A493  -  http://www.cs.ru.nl/~basvg
Radboud University Nijmegen Institute for Computing and Information Sciences

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From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net  Mon Dec 19 15:23:24 2005
From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:23:24 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Sunday 18 December 2005 18:19, Rick Chagouri-Brindle wrote:
> Interestingly enough, this is why I am trying out Kubuntu at the moment
> . . . I like the flexibility, although I do miss the Ubuntu desktop
> approach too. I guess I can haver everything though!!!


Yeah, this is the reason I chose kubuntu as well, I was a long time user of 
Redhat and Mandrake, but I grew very tired of the neutering they did to the 
packages. I want my KDE to have the full power and options the developers 
gave it, and I don't think I should have to go around unhacking it to get KDE 
as it was meant to be.

I already see some of the stupifying of the desktop taking place and I don't 
like that trend. Linux is Linux, it's not meant to be windows, we don't need 
a windows clone, the whole point is that linux is an alternative for people 
who don't want the stupidity of windows. The first time KDE asks me if I 
really want to view the contents of /usr (I clicked on it didn't I?) I'm 
finding another desktop.

And when kubuntu gets overly assnine about removing features or **HIDING 
MENU's** in konqueror, I'm going to be looking for another distro again. It's 
just stupid to assume just because someone wants an up to date distro (read - 
not debian) they must also be too dumb to understand the features of it.

It's like removing the keyboard from the computer, just because it could be 
done doesn't mean it's a good idea, it removes too much functionality.
 

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From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 19 15:24:49 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:24:49 -0500
Subject: Hard Drive Check Forced
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.2082na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <5536eac60505050910643bda3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200505051905.05977.ggrubbish@web.de>
	<5536eac6050505152373c5db74@mail.gmail.com>
	<dave9191.1okzua@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<makhand.1voo8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<MichalVD.1wbhja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<4340EB9F.9000806@militant.dk>
	<351278b80510031149o739efe15s11ac6ab2fb535e21@mail.gmail.com>
	<adbefcbf0510031204s6ae4834agde43661a7d4931fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4e3346e10510040243v73d26ca2ra88b2a63645dea63@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.2082na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A6D0C1.9080400@cfl.rr.com>

You might find the information logged in one of the system log files in 
/var/log.  Otherwise, if your system is otherwise idle, you can run sync 
to flush the cache to disk, then fsck the partition in read only mode to 
see the results again.

'Forum Post wrote:
> I have noted that after the disk check is over, there appeared something
> like "... is only 2.6%. No further action needed" or something like
> that. I couldn't see it properly because the message went away quickly.
> 
> Any idea what might have been happening? Was it the "fragmentation
> status" of my hard drive (2.6% fragmented)? Where can I lookup this
> info in my system (any logfile?)
> 
> 




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 14:57:04 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:57:04 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190525i2aa647cah167a8db49862e525@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0bui73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Anders Karlsson wrote:

> On 12/19/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Ubuntu tries to maintain a closeness to Ubuntu, but from what I have
> read, gives no guarantee about being 100% compatible. 

If Ubuntu can't maintain 100% compatibility with Ubuntu, we're in
trouble :-)  (yeah, I know you meant "Debian" in the second case).

>> It is Ubuntu's fault when fully compatible Debian packages break due to
>> their not being compatible with the main core, because that is NOT why
>> Debian was set up.  You should be able to edit the sources.list in
>> apt-get and set pinning to ensure you get packages from the
>> repositories you want; this is why it was included in apt-get.
... 
> From what I remember, not even on Debian, and only Debian, was it
> entirely safe mixing packages from different releases, let alone
> distributions. (I remember severe problems with XFree86...)

Definitely.  Apt pinning is available to allow _advanced_ (_very_ advanced)
users to use packages not otherwise available _at their own risk_.  I've
used it for years.  I'm never comfortable with it, and I always assume that
it's the pinning that's at the root of any apt problem I have (and the
assumption almost always turns out to be correct).
> 
>> Now, if your argument is that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are fine and its just
>> as you want, I can understand that.  However, I am concerned that the
>> Debian system is being forked while this is happening.  As part of the
>> open source community we should be working towards making less
>> proliferation of the same packages, and making those packages better;
>> wouldn't it be better if Ubuntu worked with the same packages as the
>> Debian system?  Then we could all use the same packages....
> 
> Personally, I could not care less if some people want a flamewar about
> a fork. Ubuntu != Debian.

Ubuntu may not be strictly a fork, because every change they make is
presented upstream to Debian, and Debian uses many (most?) of them.  Then
Ubuntu merges Debian and discards any of their own patches that have been
adopted upstream.  However, there are certainly some packages that will
probably never again be identical to Debian and the number of such will
likely increase - I guess it's a fork when you finally decide to keep your
source trees entirely separate.  Anyway, Ubuntu _does_ try to make Debian
packages better - however, sometimes Debian maintainers and Ubuntu
maintainers aren't going to agree on the definition of "better".
> 
>> In a recent article in the UK magazine "Linux Format" this was said:
>>
>> "There is tension between the Debian Project and its offspring ..."

Yeah, I read that.  In the first place, it seemed to be extremely stale news
(remember that magazine lead times can be as much as six months), but also
as a regular of both Debian & Ubuntu lists I really haven't seen much sign
of that.
-- 
derek




From smartssa at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 15:25:09 2005
From: smartssa at gmail.com (Darryl Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:09 -0500
Subject: System Monitor/Services
In-Reply-To: <43A6B5A5.8060605@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43A6B5A5.8060605@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <37dd77890512190725x76a4d952k48df7d3fbe8019cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Sasha Tsykin <psychosushi at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> The Bonobo activation server tracks information about installed
> components and brokers components, in conjunction with it's client
> library; libbonobo-activation.
>
> The gnome-keyring-daemon keeps the password and secrets for a session.
>
> The SSHD handles secure shell connections.
>
> All three of these are services an ordinary desktop neither needs nor
> takes advantage of, you might as well get them not to start.
> > --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

> I don't know what the Mapping daemon does but chances are it has a
> similar nature.
>

Mapping Daemon is for nautilus' cd burning functions (and other
things, I believe)

The Gnome keyring daemon is for saved passwords, which includes
windows, ftp, ssh, wireless network keys, etc.  So, if the user uses
any of these services from within nautilus, or other gnome
applications it is required.

--
~ Darryl  ~ smartssa at gmail.com
http://smartssa.com / http://darrylclarke.com



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 15:25:50 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:50 -0500
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512190547m7c9fa8b4t83e4e5cf611e17a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<frodon.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<adbefcbf0512190547m7c9fa8b4t83e4e5cf611e17a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512190725u9244471xb301557e6b40fb09@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > Because old drives don't support DMA and it's why, i think, DMA is not
> > set by default.
> >
> >
> > --
> > frodon
>
> Isn't this a little contradictory? For example, by default IPv6 *is*
> enabled, which causes browsing problems for systems without this *new*
> technology. However DMA is treated the opposite? I rather need to do
> some fiddling to get any *old* hardware to work, than to get current
> hardware (probably majority) to work.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

Related link for newbies:  Here is how to enable DMA to be "on"
automatically from the Ubuntu help guide.

http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2514447

cheers,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec 19 15:30:08 2005
From: toby_kelsey at ntlworld.com (Toby Kelsey)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:30:08 +0000
Subject: fix for btdownloadgui tornado alternative
Message-ID: <43A6D200.2090303@ntlworld.com>

If like me you've updated bittornado-gui from breezy-updates you might
find that the tornado version has disppeared from the alternatives for
btdownloadgui.  Here are the commands to add it back as an alternative
and set it as the default.  It took me a while to figure out the exact
syntax (the manpage confuses names and absolute paths).

Set up the alternative (ignore any line-breaks due to the mailreader):
$ sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/btdownloadgui
btdownloadgui /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado 120 --slave
/usr/share/man/man1/btdownloadgui.1.gz btdownloadgui.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/btdownloadgui.bittornado.1.gz

Chose the tornado version:
$ sudo update-alternatives --auto btdownloadgui

or you can select it manually with:
  $ sudo update-alternatives --config btdownloadgui

Some final checks:
$ update-alternatives --display btdownloadgui
$ ls -l /usr/bin/btdownloadgui

Using update-alternatives is more clunky and brittle, but fixing the
symlinks directly could create database inconsistencies (an example of
'user-friendly' software making things worse).

Hope this helps,
Toby



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 15:37:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:37:53 -0500
Subject: splash screen setup
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl><endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
	<37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <endersshadow.20an8n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


To change the splash background, go to System>Administration>Login
Screen Setup

Go to the Graphical Greeter tab.

Select the color you'd like, and you'll be all set.


-- 
endersshadow



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 15:45:04 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:45:04 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <0bui73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190525i2aa647cah167a8db49862e525@mail.gmail.com>
	<0bui73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512190745n4290ae0bra362bf0d2efdc319@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
> > Ubuntu tries to maintain a closeness to Ubuntu, but from what I have
> > read, gives no guarantee about being 100% compatible.
>
> If Ubuntu can't maintain 100% compatibility with Ubuntu, we're in
> trouble :-)  (yeah, I know you meant "Debian" in the second case).

And I thought I was doing so well.. Freudian slips and all that. :)

> Definitely.  Apt pinning is available to allow _advanced_ (_very_ advanced)
> users to use packages not otherwise available _at their own risk_.  I've
> used it for years.  I'm never comfortable with it, and I always assume that
> it's the pinning that's at the root of any apt problem I have (and the
> assumption almost always turns out to be correct).

I have messed about with pinning as well, but usually only after
either talking to a debian maintainer (had the pleasure of working
with one a while back) or after reading very detailed howto's. I try
very hard not to have to resort to pinning. And with Ubuntu, that has
been very easy to stick to. :)

> Ubuntu may not be strictly a fork, because every change they make is
> presented upstream to Debian, and Debian uses many (most?) of them.  Then
> Ubuntu merges Debian and discards any of their own patches that have been
> adopted upstream.  However, there are certainly some packages that will
> probably never again be identical to Debian and the number of such will
> likely increase - I guess it's a fork when you finally decide to keep your
> source trees entirely separate.  Anyway, Ubuntu _does_ try to make Debian
> packages better - however, sometimes Debian maintainers and Ubuntu
> maintainers aren't going to agree on the definition of "better".

Breezy and Etch are quite close as I have understood it. Dapper is
similar to Sid, for the moment. But they are never a 100% match.
Ubuntu and Debian have different goals, I thought that was clear, but
this thread showed how wrong that assumption was.

Perhaps there need to be word from the core team to clarify the obvious?

Regards,

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From cogyfarm at grm.net  Mon Dec 19 15:49:42 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:49:42 -0600
Subject: network file sharing help needed
Message-ID: <43A6D696.3070708@grm.net>

Hello, I need to know how to setup a directory on my intranet server to 
be used by any other computer on the network as a single repository of 
programs.  For example, they would be able to install Open Office to 
this folder so that there is ONE installation not 6.  I have already 
created a folder called /samba with 775 permissions and told the server 
to make it a shared network folder in "network neighborhood" but I can't 
see it from the windows machines.

Troy.



From trudheim at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 15:53:04 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:53:04 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512190753wbd66e20r20953e25a8a5438b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Jason Straight <jason at jeetkunedomaster.net> wrote:

[snip]

> I already see some of the stupifying of the desktop taking place and I don't
> like that trend. Linux is Linux, it's not meant to be windows, we don't need
> a windows clone, the whole point is that linux is an alternative for people
> who don't want the stupidity of windows. The first time KDE asks me if I
> really want to view the contents of /usr (I clicked on it didn't I?) I'm
> finding another desktop.
>
> And when kubuntu gets overly assnine about removing features or **HIDING
> MENU's** in konqueror, I'm going to be looking for another distro again. It's
> just stupid to assume just because someone wants an up to date distro (read -
> not debian) they must also be too dumb to understand the features of it.
>
> It's like removing the keyboard from the computer, just because it could be
> done doesn't mean it's a good idea, it removes too much functionality.

If you really mean that, and want all that power right at your
fingertips without having a "dumbed down" desktop, there is always
LFS, Gentoo or ROCK. If the progress of Ubuntu is to hard to stomach,
no-one is forcing you to stay you know... Freedom of choice and all
that.

I spent a good couple of years with ROCK Linux, compiling from source,
hacking packages etc. Very educational, but also incredibly tedious.
Some of us may just want a desktop that enables us to do our work. For
new users, that may be just the thing that makes them stay a Linux
user.

I am sorry, but elitist and snobbish attitudes was not was I expected
from the Ubuntu crowd.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From jlalarcon at gawab.com  Mon Dec 19 15:58:46 2005
From: jlalarcon at gawab.com (Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:58:46 +0100
Subject: Problem with Dapper and Nvidia
Message-ID: <1135007926.6255.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all.

I got dist-upgrade very well my Breezy Badger to Dapper Drake through
repositories and apt-get. All works fine in the devel version of Ubuntu
except one thing:

I use a "vanilla" kernel from http://kernel.org/ and the nvidia driver
1.0-8174, taken from the company web... All right with breezy, but when
i switched to dapper, the driver "stop work", the log says:

Failed to load module "glx" (a required submodule could not be loaded,0)

I tried deinstall and reinstall again the module with the Nvidia
installer (to probe with the dapper's new version of gcc) but the
problem persist... :(

Is this a "known issue"?. Anybody has the same problem?. Any solution
for this error?. Is there any problem with glx libraries in Dapper?...

Thanks you, very much, in advance.

Regards.

Jose.


-- 
http://www.lordofunix.org/

Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
Registered BSD User 51101.
Registered Linux User #213309.
Memories..... You are talking about memories. 
Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Mon Dec 19 16:06:32 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:06:32 +0100
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051220020957.d420aab1.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com>
	<l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220020957.d420aab1.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135008393.4733.11.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 02:09 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> Why do we need a whole CD for Ubuntu at all ? It could be on one floppy!
> And *everyone*  knows the standard editor is "ed" !
> <grin>

That reminds me of the operating system "QNX". In 1999 when I discovered
this OS, they cooked a demo floppy disc that could run on Desktop
computers (their primary target/business back then was mission critical
embedded systems, not consumer machines) with intel x86 CPU's. It
provided a full modern desktop: background pic, bottom panel with task
bar, a menu to start applications, a windowing system, could handles
modems, came with web browser, a notepad... all on one tiny 1.44MB
floppy disc. I was well impressed.


--
Vince





From stein.175 at osu.edu  Mon Dec 19 16:10:15 2005
From: stein.175 at osu.edu (Olaf Stein)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:10:15 -0500
Subject: network file sharing help needed
In-Reply-To: <43A6D696.3070708@grm.net>
Message-ID: <200512191610.jBJGAUE1024469@defang19.it.ohio-state.edu>

Did you create samba users that have access to your share?

The other question is going to be if the programs you want to share run from
a network drive 

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of cogyfarm
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:50 AM
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: network file sharing help needed

Hello, I need to know how to setup a directory on my intranet server to be
used by any other computer on the network as a single repository of
programs.  For example, they would be able to install Open Office to this
folder so that there is ONE installation not 6.  I have already created a
folder called /samba with 775 permissions and told the server to make it a
shared network folder in "network neighborhood" but I can't see it from the
windows machines.

Troy.

-- 
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 16:12:56 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:12:56 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Jason Straight <jason at jeetkunedomaster.net> wrote:
> On Sunday 18 December 2005 18:19, Rick Chagouri-Brindle wrote:
> > Interestingly enough, this is why I am trying out Kubuntu at the moment
> > . . . I like the flexibility, although I do miss the Ubuntu desktop
> > approach too. I guess I can haver everything though!!!
>
> Yeah, this is the reason I chose kubuntu as well, I was a long time user of
> Redhat and Mandrake, but I grew very tired of the neutering they did to the
> packages. I want my KDE to have the full power and options the developers
> gave it, and I don't think I should have to go around unhacking it to get KDE
> as it was meant to be.

Disclaimer: I'm not at all trying to do the jingoistic bigotry thing
(person x states she "doesn't like the country she's living in" and
then jingoist asshole y says "well leave if you don't like it"). I'm
quite happy to see a diversity of users on Ubuntu.

I'm a little confused, however, by your (and other's) attitude -- it
sounds like you want to have the 'full power' of KDE at your finger
tips as the DEFAULT, _for everybody_, non-hackers be damned (my own
extension ;-).

"Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the
breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a
clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM) and
a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every
release. Ubuntu ships with the latest Gnome release as well as a
selection of server and desktop software that makes for a comfortable
desktop experience off a single installation CD."

Into `clear focus on the user and usability' and `it should "Just
Work", TM' I read the assumption `for as many people as possible'.

Expecting "my KDE to have the full power and options the developers
gave it" runs counter to the goal of "a clear focus on the user and
usability".

What may be usable for you is what makes computers unusable or less
useful to the bulk of computer users -- DOS and other CLUIs were great
in the eyes of some (not-so-sane IMNSHO), yet DOS and all such CLUIs
required people to the be the tools of the computer, and not the other
way around where the computer itself was the tool.

PS It would not be a Bad Thing (tm) to ask a GNOME user whether they
really want to browse outside of "~/" (let alone /usr). There's no
reason that a person using a computer as a tool should be going
outside of "~/" so it's probably good practice to caution them against
going there, unless they have a REASON to be there.

You (_and_ I) may not like that level of hand-holding, but, it's quite
sensible and commonplace. FireFox (et al.) all ask a myriad of
questions the first time you do something which causes a change in
security mode or may expose your communications. These reminders are
annoying as all heck (since I occasionally wipe out browser
preferences, on purpose (if a link is really that important, I'll find
it again with "Spotlight"
(http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spotlight/) or with
http://www.google.com)), but, they do raise general awareness of such
issues as (in)security in communications and monitoring your security
level.

Anyway, ultimately, the point of my e-mail should be this: there IS
room for the "expert"/"hacker"/whatever one wants to call him- or
herself in Ubuntu -- Ubuntu is a full fledged Linux. However, the
expert/etc. needs to recognise that they way s/he works is not the way
the bulk of users work OR NECESSARILY OUGHT TO WORK! You and I have
spent (some would say wasted) a lot of time learning how to really
make computers work for us. It's up to experienced people (more like
the developers since I don't code if it doesn't involve analysis ;-)
to translate their experience into tools that "just work". Xerox
pioneered this approach. Apple refined it (contrary to common
misconception, Apple did pay good money for access to Xerox's
technology and did significant research on their own). Microsoft
copied it and screwed it up (Plug-and-Pray anyone?). Now it's Linux's
turn to take the "just works" paradigm and make the computer
invisible.

Unfortunately, that's going to mean that our old skills and Ways of
Doing Things (tm) become less useful.

Computer expertise is now less valuable which sucks for computer
experts (since they/we can charge less for our services and there are
fewer (per capita) opportunities), but it's great for "ordinary"
people because they can now do things that were unimaginable a decade
or two ago, or, only accessible to the most holy of computer
programmers (GIS anyone... 15 years ago only a select few could do
it... now, we're teaching grade 5 kids how to use ArcView GIS 9).

Ok, too much time on my hands. Need to take a holiday from my holiday :-0

Eric.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 16:16:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:16:16 -0500
Subject: screen resolution on hp pavilion zd7000
References: <1109006520.5941.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Grundy.20ap3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


same notebook model am stuck at 1280 x 800 and am still looking for
answers


-- 
Grundy



From mnut at cox.net  Mon Dec 19 16:19:34 2005
From: mnut at cox.net (mnut)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:19:34 -0700
Subject: Where are instructions to use PowerPc version of Live CD?
Message-ID: <FBB499C5-A389-4358-8BB2-B94DD20E38D7@cox.net>

Hi

I downloaded the live CD last nite for PowerPC.  I'm on a dual G5 64  
bit, btw.  Where can I find instructions for using the disk?  I tried  
inserting the disk, rebooting while holding the C key and did come to  
a screen that was talking about booting Ubuntu, but commands that  
were suggested there didn't work.

Anyway, there was no read me file or instructions anywhere.  Can  
someone direct me to some help files?


Thanks

Mnut



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 16:45:04 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:45:04 -0500
Subject: Where are instructions to use PowerPc version of Live CD?
In-Reply-To: <FBB499C5-A389-4358-8BB2-B94DD20E38D7@cox.net>
References: <FBB499C5-A389-4358-8BB2-B94DD20E38D7@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1135010704.1187.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Just hit "enter/return"

~ Chris Peterman

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 09:19 -0700, mnut wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I downloaded the live CD last nite for PowerPC.  I'm on a dual G5 64  
> bit, btw.  Where can I find instructions for using the disk?  I tried  
> inserting the disk, rebooting while holding the C key and did come to  
> a screen that was talking about booting Ubuntu, but commands that  
> were suggested there didn't work.
> 
> Anyway, there was no read me file or instructions anywhere.  Can  
> someone direct me to some help files?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mnut
> 
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 16:46:06 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:46:06 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051220034606.6391638d.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:12:56 -0500
Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> yet DOS and all such CLUIs
> required people to the be the tools of the computer, and not the other
> way around where the computer itself was the tool.

I think this is really backwards. Computers are not appliances, whether
you like that fact or not.

When I use the CLI , I am not at *all*  "the tool of the computer". In
fact it's the exact opposite. I am giving the OS instructions, telling the
computer what I want it to do.

Do you think bash scripting is being "a tool of the computer" ?

You might find the essay from which my current .sig is quoted interesting:

http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html

I have nothing against GUIs, and use them all the time - but let's be
clear-thinking about this. How the CLI makes *anyone* a "tool of the
computer" boggles the mind.

Peter


-- Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning
it is one of multiple small epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Mon Dec 19 16:54:59 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:54:59 -0700
Subject: firefox timing out before pages are loaded
In-Reply-To: <43A4AB1D.4000709@eircom.net>
References: <1134847829.9235.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134851020.2024.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134859321.9235.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051218104925.3785e82f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864472.13987.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A4AB1D.4000709@eircom.net>
Message-ID: <1135011299.8592.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thx to Paul and Peter and others who posted this fix.  Here's the final
report:

Firefox 1.07 loaded pages slowly "operation timed out" for no good
reason.  

The same version of Firefox is installed on my home and office machines
both of which use Ubuntu and which previously used Mandriva.  Both
machines also have XP Pro installed on other partitions.  The machines
access the net through different ISPs though.  The Firefox loaded pages
at home like a . . . well, like a Firefox.  The one at the office didn't
load pages at all.

The fix was to type about:config into the address bar which pulled up a
configuration menu.  Then network.dns.disableIPv6 has to be set to
"true" --- and then it works.  

Thank you, thank you, thank you --- I'm using this system at my office
and this problem was a big one for me.  

Best regards from the snowy, rural northwestern US!

mjewell  



On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 00:19 +0000, Paul O'Malley wrote:
> mjewell wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 10:49 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:42:01 -0700
> >>mjewell <mjewell at openmissoula.org> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>This may or may not solve your problem, but it's worth a try
> >>
> >>Open
> >>
> >>about:config
> >>
> >>in the location field, then in the search field put "ipv6"  (without the
> >>quotes). Change
> >>
> >>network.dns.disableIPv6   to  "true"    and restart firefox (not sure if
> >>the restart is needed, but that can't hurt either ;)
> >>
> >>Some people's ISPs haven't quite got IPv6 right, apparently (according to
> >>what I've heard - please correct me, someone, if I've misunderstood )
> >>
> >>This change has made a dramatic difference for several people to whom I
> >>suggested it on IRC.
> >>
> >>Peter
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Thx, Peter --
> >This sounds promising!  Which directory has the file that need
> >editing?  
> >  
> >
> To follow Peters instructions you can type the about:config where you 
> type the URL/address.
> It also works as he said by File:Open
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 




From cogyfarm at grm.net  Mon Dec 19 17:16:03 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:16:03 -0600
Subject: network file sharing help needed
In-Reply-To: <200512191610.jBJGAUE1024469@defang19.it.ohio-state.edu>
References: <200512191610.jBJGAUE1024469@defang19.it.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <43A6EAD3.4000205@grm.net>

Olaf Stein wrote:

>Did you create samba users that have access to your share?
>
>The other question is going to be if the programs you want to share run from
>a network drive 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
>[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of cogyfarm
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:50 AM
>To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
>Subject: network file sharing help needed
>
>Hello, I need to know how to setup a directory on my intranet server to be
>used by any other computer on the network as a single repository of
>programs.  For example, they would be able to install Open Office to this
>folder so that there is ONE installation not 6.  I have already created a
>folder called /samba with 775 permissions and told the server to make it a
>shared network folder in "network neighborhood" but I can't see it from the
>windows machines.
>
>Troy.
>
>  
>
I don't seem to be able to get samba to allow the windows computers to 
have it.  It shows up under samba but not in network neighborhood in 
windows.  I was planning on mapping the share as a drive.
Troy



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 17:04:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:16 -0500
Subject: can not start bootlogd
References: <200508040829.59998.gissmoh@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <deepclutch.20arva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I too got same error message while starting bootlogd,waiting for a
help,,...please..:)


-- 
deepclutch



From charles.malespin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 17:18:05 2005
From: charles.malespin at gmail.com (Charles Malespin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:18:05 -0600
Subject: bloated setup?
Message-ID: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all, I have been using ubuntu for some time, since hoary, but still
think of myself as a linux noob.  I would like to know if there are
certain things that are installed/activated in the default set up that
can be turned off and not effect my day to day activities.  I have a
fast comp, 3.2 Ghz, 1Gb ram, but I just feel like there are alot of
things running that dont need to be.  Plus it would be nice to find out
what alot of these things are/do.  I basically use my computer for
internet use, IM, music, movies.  Nothing too hardcore.  Is there some
guide or list that tells me what does what on my process list so I can
deactivate some things?  Is there a list I should print out and attach
so the mailing list can see what I have running?  Thanks
 

--
Charles Malespin
Physics Graduate Student-ULL
337-254-6708




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Mon Dec 19 17:38:00 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:38:00 +0100
Subject: splash screen setup
In-Reply-To: <20051219152211.GA31657@cs.ru.nl>
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
	<endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
	<37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051219152211.GA31657@cs.ru.nl>
Message-ID: <1135013880.4733.26.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 16:22 +0100, Bas van Gils wrote:
> ...I want to change the color of the background that you see
> *after* the login-screen and *before* seeing your own desktop (i.e. the
> background of the splash screen)

Yes, I understand your problem. In my case, the computer has only one
user, so if I set the GDM background colour to be the same as my desktop
background colour, it works around the problem. But it's a pain, and of
course when you have several users with different background colours,
the GDM colour will always "clash".

What would be nice, and doable I think since GDM is part of Gnome hence
can be expected to be hacked to interact tightly with it, instead of
being a general purpose DM, is for GDM to read the user's Gconf database
to know what background colour to use. 
That would really add a lot of polish to the distro (which I think is
Dapper's main focus) as it would make a visually "smooth" transition
from GDM to Gnome, automatically, without the user having to think about
it.
I am not a developer, but it doesn't sound like the end of the world to
do, "just" ;-) read a value from the users home directory to know what
colour to use. Could be implemented in time for Dapper with some luck...

I think it's worth filing a "bug" (feature request...) report in
bugzilla about it, unless someone knows of a better place in the wiki
somewhere ??


--
Vince




From umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be  Mon Dec 19 17:42:48 2005
From: umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be (Umut Tabak)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:42:48 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu and windows file exchange; Copy Problem 
Message-ID: <1135014168.43a6f118ccb9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>



Hi all,

While installing Ubuntu I have created a Fat32 partition of 5 GB to
exchance files with Windows; now the problem is that I cannot see that
partition from linux(or I am looking at the wrong places). I have sda1,
sda2 (which I cannot see inside due to a permission conflict).Message is
"You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "sda2"".

I again get a permission error while trying to copy a file with 

cp deneme.cpp /home/
 

error is

cp: cannot create regular file `/home/deneme.cpp': Permission denied

This must be a very simple operation but still a problem for me

Comments on exchanging and copying??

Regards.

Umut



From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Mon Dec 19 17:43:30 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:43:30 -0700
Subject: hp laserjet 1200
Message-ID: <1135014210.9952.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

This is a printer question.  The printer prints very, very slowly with
long pauses between pages.  If a test page is sent to the printer, the
following message prints:

PCL XL error
  Subsystem:  KERNEL
  Error:      IllegalAttributeDataType
  Operator:   SetLineDash
  Position:   12

The printer is hp laserjet 1200 attached to a machine running Ubuntu
5.10.  The printer was installed by using the "printing" menu item under
the System menu.  Add Printer was clicked.  The printer was not
detected.  HP laserjet 1200 was selected.    USB Port # 1 was selected.
The recommended driver was selected.  

Under the "services" menu item in the System menu, "Printer services
(cupsys) is selected.






From stein.175 at osu.edu  Mon Dec 19 17:51:06 2005
From: stein.175 at osu.edu (Olaf Stein)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:51:06 -0500
Subject: network file sharing help needed
In-Reply-To: <43A6EAD3.4000205@grm.net>
Message-ID: <200512191751.jBJHpMxI015062@defang9.net.ohio-state.edu>

Map it manually

\\ip_address\share in the winooze explorer Tools->Map Network drive

-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of cogyfarm
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: Re: network file sharing help needed

Olaf Stein wrote:

>Did you create samba users that have access to your share?
>
>The other question is going to be if the programs you want to share run 
>from a network drive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
>[mailto:ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of cogyfarm
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:50 AM
>To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
>Subject: network file sharing help needed
>
>Hello, I need to know how to setup a directory on my intranet server to 
>be used by any other computer on the network as a single repository of 
>programs.  For example, they would be able to install Open Office to 
>this folder so that there is ONE installation not 6.  I have already 
>created a folder called /samba with 775 permissions and told the server 
>to make it a shared network folder in "network neighborhood" but I 
>can't see it from the windows machines.
>
>Troy.
>
>  
>
I don't seem to be able to get samba to allow the windows computers to have
it.  It shows up under samba but not in network neighborhood in windows.  I
was planning on mapping the share as a drive.
Troy

--
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 17:52:00 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:52:00 -0500
Subject: Windows XP Pro $49.95 MS 2003
In-Reply-To: <iansyngin.20a5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <rZPIZ2lfXIyGwqkNARUWY9be@dawnyohr.com>
	<iansyngin.20a5na@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512190952i2ef36909r6af3526b609b35e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> delete this thread please

The title's quite appropriate. It's a reminder of why some Windows
users on this list are former Windows users -- they don't want to
pirate, yet they want to stay current without breaking the bank ;-).

(post from the mailing list :-)



From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec 19 17:37:44 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:37:44 +0000
Subject: Flight CD 2
In-Reply-To: <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>
References: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org> <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051219173744.GB29251@riva.ucam.org>

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:11:23AM +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> >Flight CD 2 is ready. This is the second in a series of milestone CD
> >images that will be released throughout the Dapper development cycle, as
> >images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or
> >installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Dapper. You
> >can download it here:
> 
> Colin
> 
> Would it help testing if i rebuild a flight1 install (completely up to 
> date) to flight2.

All testing is of course welcome, but bear in mind that very little on
your system will actually change from the exercise (apart from you
having to save and restore all your data) if your system was already up
to date.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From esj at harvee.org  Mon Dec 19 17:47:26 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:47:26 -0500
Subject: Xen support without reinventing the wheel
In-Reply-To: <slava.209qty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <2229.141.18.24.118.1129551602.squirrel@thelinuxbeat.net>	<yookoala.1y5ufa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<slava.209qty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <do6rjf$d51$1@sea.gmane.org>

'Forum Post wrote:
> fyi 
> you can get xen on ubuntu by adding this to your sources.list

ugh.  4 months out of date.  get the 3.0 tarball and save yourself some 
pain.

--- eric




From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec 19 17:38:55 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:38:55 +0000
Subject: Flight CD 2
In-Reply-To: <ameerirshad.206wza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org> <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>
	<ameerirshad.206wza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051219173855.GC29251@riva.ucam.org>

On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 10:14:14AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> The gfxboot loader, does it only work on the liveCD? Coz I can't find it
> in my synaptic after installing Dapper over my Breezy!

I've only pulled in the gfxboot patches for syslinux, not for grub or
lilo, so it won't do anything useful on an installed system. The intent
at present is only to provide a prettier bootloader on the install and
live CDs.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 17:52:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:52:02 -0500
Subject: screen resolution on hp pavilion zd7000
References: <1109006520.5941.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Grundy.20ap3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Grundy.20atpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ok somewhere I cant find the post again but I was told to add this line:


	Option      "IgnoreEDID" "on"



to this area of the xorg.conf



Section "Device"

	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go 5600]"

	Driver		"nvidia"

	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"

	Option      "IgnoreEDID" "on"



do: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

then save 



I just rebooted whole pc im pretty new at this stuff myself and the I
cant get the x to restart by itself but after reboot I have my new
resolution



I dont understand why it fixed it but it did here is my whole xorg.conf
if you want to see it I have it setup for intelli mouse 5 button also




Code:
--------------------
    # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)

  #

  # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using

  # values from the debconf database.

  #

  # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.

  # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)

  #

  # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*

  # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg

  # package.

  #

  # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated

  # again, run the following command:

  #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

  

  Section "Files"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"

  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"

  # paths to defoma fonts

  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"

  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Module"

  	Load	"i2c"

  	Load	"bitmap"

  	Load	"ddc"

  	#Load	"GLcore"

  	#Load	"dri"

  	Load	"extmod"

  	Load	"freetype"

  	Load	"glx"

  	Load	"int10"

  	Load	"type1"

  	Load	"vbe"

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"

  	Driver		"kbd"

  	Option		"CoreKeyboard"

  	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"

  	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"

  	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  Identifier      "Configured Mouse"

  Driver          "mouse"

  Option          "CorePointer"

  Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"

  Option          "Protocol"              "ExplorerPS/2"

  Option          "Buttons"               "7"

  Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "6 7"

  Option          "Resolution"            "100"

  EndSection

  

  Section "InputDevice"

  	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"

  	Driver		"synaptics"

  	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"

  	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"

  	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"

  	Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Device"

  	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go 5600]"

  	Driver		"nvidia"

  	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"

  	Option      "IgnoreEDID" "on"

  EndSection

  

  Section "Monitor"

  	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"

  	Option		"DPMS"

  	HorizSync	28-72

  	VertRefresh	43-60

  EndSection

  

  Section "Screen"

  	Identifier	"Default Screen"

  	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go 5600]"

  	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"

  	DefaultDepth	16

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		1

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		4

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		8

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		15

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		16

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		24

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  	SubSection "Display"

  		Depth		32

  		Modes		"1440x900"

  	EndSubSection

  EndSection

  

  Section "ServerLayout"

  	Identifier	"Default Layout"

  	Screen		"Default Screen"

  	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"

  	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"

  	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"

  EndSection

  

  Section "DRI"

  	Mode	0666

  EndSection

  
--------------------


-- 
Grundy



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 19 18:01:15 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:01:15 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:12, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> Expecting "my KDE to have the full power and options the developers
> gave it" runs counter to the goal of "a clear focus on the user and
> usability".

This blinkered vision is a fundamental misinterpretation of Ubuntu's
stated goals.  Making Ubuntu Just Work out of the box means what it
says, not "provide a bunch of eye candy and the software for
a twenty kilo IPod".  It means in part that users don't have to lose
a few months work before finding out that critical emails are being
callously destroyed.  There are all kinds of legal liabilities
there that Canonical isn't going to be able to disclaim, even for
a free-as-in-beer product.

> What may be usable for you is what makes computers unusable or less
> useful to the bulk of computer users -- DOS and other CLUIs were great
> in the eyes of some (not-so-sane IMNSHO), yet DOS and all such CLUIs
> required people to the be the tools of the computer, and not the other
> way around where the computer itself was the tool.

I've helped hundreds of newbies.  Some prefer starting things from
menus.  Some prefer clicking through file folders.  Some prefer
right clicking in the desktop and "Create New Foo".  When someone
invents another great paradigm, there will be new users that prefer
that mode too.  People are not all like you.  Why should they be?

Software freedoms include zero cost, the freedom to edit and
recompile, and freedom from religious bigots who insist that
system emails be suppressed and that files can only be opened
from Nautilus.

> PS It would not be a Bad Thing (tm) to ask a GNOME user whether they
> really want to browse outside of "~/" (let alone /usr). There's no
> reason that a person using a computer as a tool should be going
> outside of "~/" so it's probably good practice to caution them against
> going there, unless they have a REASON to be there.

Hmmm, as I write this an unsophisticated user walked into the room.
(Hello my love.)  She's a teacher, journalist, and photographer.
None of her class materials, articles or photographs are in her
home folder.  Nor is the place where the digital camera's memory
stick appears in the filesystem.  Why should the Thought Police dictate
how she uses her computer?

--Mike Bird




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 18:01:50 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:01:50 +0200
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135015310.8612.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 11:18 -0600, Charles Malespin wrote:
> Hi all, I have been using ubuntu for some time, since hoary, but still
> think of myself as a linux noob.  I would like to know if there are
> certain things that are installed/activated in the default set up that
> can be turned off and not effect my day to day activities.  I have a
> fast comp, 3.2 Ghz, 1Gb ram, but I just feel like there are alot of
> things running that dont need to be.  Plus it would be nice to find out
> what alot of these things are/do.  I basically use my computer for
> internet use, IM, music, movies.  Nothing too hardcore.  Is there some
> guide or list that tells me what does what on my process list so I can
> deactivate some things?  Is there a list I should print out and attach
> so the mailing list can see what I have running?  Thanks
>  
I have noticed this too. Gnome feels a bit slower than windows.
Launching nautilus, gedit or terminal is slow. I think it's a Gnome
thing. Maybe xfce will make things better.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 17:55:03 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:55:03 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190142u1bc54317g10129fe2428bb91c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191249.25887.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<515e525f0512190525i2aa647cah167a8db49862e525@mail.gmail.com>
	<0bui73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<515e525f0512190745n4290ae0bra362bf0d2efdc319@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <no8j73-cvn.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Anders Karlsson wrote:

> I have messed about with pinning as well, but usually only after
> either talking to a debian maintainer (had the pleasure of working
> with one a while back) or after reading very detailed howto's. I try
> very hard not to have to resort to pinning. And with Ubuntu, that has
> been very easy to stick to. :)

I'll point out that I used it for two very strict purposes. First, to get
"mambo" which is still afaik only available in debian/experimental (in the
end, I decided I wasn't interested).  Second to get Tomcat, which is still
not available in Ubuntu.  In both cases /etc/apt/preferences lists _only_
those packages ("mambo" and "*tomcat*", respectively) as installable and
for package "*" sets the priority to -1 (uninstallable).  That's the only
way I've found to avoid most problems, and I still have the odd hiccup.

> Breezy and Etch are quite close as I have understood it. 

Not really.  Breezy & Sarge became "stable" within weeks of each other. 
Etch is evolving while Breezy isn't, so Breezy is still closer (imo) to
Sarge.

> Dapper is similar to Sid, for the moment. But they are never a 100% match.

True.
-- 
derek




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 19 18:21:18 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:21:18 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu and windows file exchange; Copy Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135014168.43a6f118ccb9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1135014168.43a6f118ccb9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <43A6FA1E.5090502@telusplanet.net>

Good morning!

> While installing Ubuntu I have created a Fat32 partition of 5 GB to
> exchance files with Windows; now the problem is that I cannot see that
> partition from linux(or I am looking at the wrong places). I have sda1,
> sda2 (which I cannot see inside due to a permission conflict).Message is
> "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "sda2"".
> 
> I again get a permission error while trying to copy a file with 
> 
> cp deneme.cpp /home/
>  
> 
> error is
> 
> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/deneme.cpp': Permission denied

You will (likely) want to have a 'umask' statement in the relevant line 
of your fstab file. Have a look at this page:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_(DOS,_FAT,NTFS). 
Ignore the gentoo origin...for this situation, the differences with 
Ubuntu are not likely to be relevant
Also google for the following terms: fstab linux umask fat

HTH

Rob



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 19 17:34:47 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:34:47 -0400
Subject: splash screen setup
References: <20051218202944.GA27139@cs.ru.nl>
	<endersshadow.209a5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051219073314.GA19690@cs.ru.nl>
	<37dd77890512190712h3efd3cd0wf90cf60d73f32372@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051219152211.GA31657@cs.ru.nl>
Message-ID: <ni7j73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Bas van Gils wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:12:27AM -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote:
>  
>> Hmm... the background colour should be changed automagically to the
>> users setting when a user logs in, assuming that user has a background
>> set that is different.  If they users background has never been
>> manually changed, it will take the global default.
>> 
>> Have you tried changing your wife's background manually? (right click
>> on the desktop, change desktop background)
> 
> yep, and that works like a charm. Thing is that it is not the background
> that I am referring to. I want to change the color of the background that
> you see *after* the login-screen and *before* seeing your own desktop
> (i.e. the background of the splash screen)
> 

Yes, the same problem exists for KDE.  You have three background states: the
login manager (GDM/KDM) has one; after login there's another that is
present until the user session is loaded; then there's the users.  Keeping
them all in sync is a pain.  fwiw, the one you're talking about is in the
settings (Kcontrol) / System Administration / Login Manager for KDE.  How
similar that might be to Gnome's settings is anyone's guess :-)
-- 
derek




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 18:35:04 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:35:04 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051220034606.6391638d.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220034606.6391638d.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512191035i5ece776cv840a5343ba69a43d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:12:56 -0500
> Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > yet DOS and all such CLUIs
> > required people to the be the tools of the computer, and not the other
> > way around where the computer itself was the tool.
>
> I think this is really backwards. Computers are not appliances, whether
> you like that fact or not.

Software should be [appliance-like], and, judging by the way things
have been going for the past twenty years, that's certainly what's
happening. The focus on software design is now on WHAT the software
can do, and not HOW to get the software to do it.

The difference between the user being a tool OF the computer vs. the
computer being the tool of the user is developer determined.

Macs (when Mac OS was the only major GUI... with apologies to Amiga &
Atari OS) were extremely hard to program for because the onus was on
the programmer to write software that worked and could do what the
USER needed to do. However, the software that was produced was
stunning compared to the CLUI counterparts.

DOS, by comparison, allowed programmers to be lazy and also LIMITED
programmers in what they could do. All a DOS programmer had to do and
COULD do was write an app that did a bunch of separate things, loosely
put together in a crude user interface.

To use a DOS app effectively required one to become an expert.
WordPerfect (one of the simpler apps, but still quite complex)
required expertise in WordPerfect. Where (for the sake of argument) a
secretary required extensive training in WP to write memos. All a
Mac-using secretary needed a brief induction period in how to use a
mouse and the basic commands (Save, Open, Quit, Print), if they didn't
already know how to use a computer. After that they were off to the
races, provided they understood how to use a real-life type writer.

The reason I bring up Mac vs. DOS is that that is the most
illustrative historical example of computer as tool vs. computer as
boss.

> When I use the CLI , I am not at *all*  "the tool of the computer". In
> fact it's the exact opposite. I am giving the OS instructions, telling the
> computer what I want it to do.
>
> Do you think bash scripting is being "a tool of the computer" ?

Yes, and no. It depends.

Plus, even scripting is a great example of user as tool vs. computer
as tool. Scripting by CLUI requires one to develop expertise and read
manuals. Scripting by GUI drag-and-drop simply requires one to
understand the concepts of flow and not all the minutiae of scripting.

Assuming the same end task...

A well designed app frees the user from the necessity of understanding
the nuts and bolts -- i.e. user as boss, computer as tool.

A poorly, lazily, or sparsely* designed app requires users to
understand the nuts and bolts before being able to perform well. In
this situation the computer "demands" that the user perform, thus the
statement that the user is the computer's tool.

*Sparsely -- a simple CLUI app requiring extensive user input is not a
bad app, necessarily.

> I have nothing against GUIs, and use them all the time - but let's be
> clear-thinking about this. How the CLI makes *anyone* a "tool of the
> computer" boggles the mind.

I don't expect that you'll jump up and down and say, Eureka, he's right!

Just a few more thoughts, not necessarily in order...

Linux is evolving away from the user-has-to-do-the-work (i.e. user is
tool), process-oriented model. More and more tasks are fully scripted
(and automated). Services are started and stopped through a simple
click of the button rather than having to enter sudo apache-ctl
restart (or whatever it was). Developers are now able to (and FORCED
TO) focus on the user's needs, not the developer's needs (a well
designed CLUI app is unlikely to ever supplant a mediocre GUI app,
simply because the GUI app opens up so many more options for most
people).

Disconnected thought two...

I recognise the utility of learning the nuts-and-bolts. Your sig quote
sums it up beautifully: "Unix is hard to learn. The process of
learning it is one of multiple small epiphanies."

Once learned, *nix is extremely powerful. Through scripting I have
managed to do things that would otherwise take me HOURS. I have one
particular script that connects to an on-line radio station, sucks off
a particular program and converts it to an MP3. All automatically,
started and stopped by cron at specified times. The files are stuck in
a folder, ready for me to import to iTunes when and if I feel like it.
I've now got the better part of a half-year's worth of recordings,
broken down by half hour segments.

Had I done that manually, I would still have to devote a good 10-20
minutes/day to that effort, and, I would have to be home every day at
the same time (thus, my time investment would be much greater).

That said, it took me a number of days of experimenting to set up.
With OS X 10.4's drag-and-drop scripting, I was able to do this in a
*fraction* of the time with OS X-only apps -- I created the script
just to see if it could be done, ... I'm not using it b/c I would've
had to register the apps, and, I would've had to leave my "real"
computer on 24/7 (the *nix script runs on my YellowDogLinux server).

_I_ don't regret creating the *nix script, but, then again, I'm a
tinkerer by nature. However, I haven't really had to use that
knowledge since I created that script (a testament to the stability
and predictability of YellowDogLinux (FC2-FC3 PPC-only hybrid)).

A "normal" user wouldn't have been able to create that script -- the
computer would've required them to be too much of a slave (tool) to
the computer.

Anyway, enough examples. If someone else wants to take these ideas and
run with them, be my guest.

Also, these threads really should be on Sounder!

Eric.



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 18:46:20 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:46:20 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512191035i5ece776cv840a5343ba69a43d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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> _I_ don't regret creating the *nix script, but, then again, I'm a
> tinkerer by nature. However, I haven't really had to use that
> knowledge since I created that script (a testament to the stability
> and predictability of YellowDogLinux (FC2-FC3 PPC-only hybrid)).
>
> A "normal" user wouldn't have been able to create that script -- the
> computer would've required them to be too much of a slave (tool) to
> the computer.

However, a "normal" user would've been able to do precisely what I did
with Mac OS X's drag-and-drop.

Yeah, they would've had to drop around 120 euro ($140 USD?) on the
whole exercise (assuming they had a Mac but not Mac OS X 10.4 or the
apps needed to do the converting, LEGALLY), but, even if you value
your time at only 10 euro/hour I can guarantee you that most users
would save themselves thousands of euros in not having to program
their computer computer if they wanted to do this... there is a reason
people are willing to sometimes pay for LEGAL proprietary software.

I've spent a life time with computers which means I have a fairly
substantial knowledge base -- most computer users haven't and don't
have my knowledge base (which pales when set beside some), and, for
them their time is money (tinkering is entertainment to me so for me
it's time well "spent").

Eric.



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 19:03:42 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (Gruneberg)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:03:42 +0200
Subject: Flight CD 2
In-Reply-To: <20051219173744.GB29251@riva.ucam.org>
References: <20051214210008.GC28236@riva.ucam.org> <43A1090B.3020803@gmail.com>
	<20051219173744.GB29251@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <43A7040E.5010408@gmail.com>

>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:11:23AM +0200, Gruneberg wrote:
>   
>>
>> Would it help testing if i rebuild a flight1 install (completely up to 
>> date) to flight2.
>>     
>
> All testing is of course welcome, but bear in mind that very little on
> your system will actually change from the exercise (apart from you
> having to save and restore all your data) if your system was already up
> to date.
>
>   

Colin

As it was i hosed the box - sigh - so did a fresh install anyway.  
Everything seems to be working tickety boo!  Takes me 10 minutes to set 
up the system as I want (i.e setting up system tools / nautilus etc 
etc)  You did catch me with the change from trash to wastebasket tho'

Jean



From clivewoodfine at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 19:16:20 2005
From: clivewoodfine at gmail.com (Clive Woodfine)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:16:20 +0000
Subject: Psion-revo sync
Message-ID: <5e7569270512191116w5ff67b70s@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if it is possible to use the revo with ubuntu to
synchronise the calander etc.?
--
Clive W



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 19:18:19 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:18:19 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On 12/19/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:12, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > Expecting "my KDE to have the full power and options the developers
> > gave it" runs counter to the goal of "a clear focus on the user and
> > usability".
>
> This blinkered vision is a fundamental misinterpretation of Ubuntu's
> stated goals.  Making Ubuntu Just Work out of the box means what it
> says, not "provide a bunch of eye candy and the software for
> a twenty kilo IPod".  It means in part that users don't have to lose
> a few months work before finding out that critical emails are being
> callously destroyed.

You conveniently missed or ignored my point of what I perceive as an
unstated goal of Ubuntu: "Just works" [for as many users, as
possible].

If "Just Works" means it just works for you, then you better be
willing to cough up the dough for a distro that will "just work" for
you. Otherwise, you (and I) have to accept that the focus will be on
meeting the needs of most users, or meeting the needs of the
developers. Not on meeting your or my needs!

> There are all kinds of legal liabilities
> there that Canonical isn't going to be able to disclaim, even for
> a free-as-in-beer product.

Doubtful. Computer manufacturers drop features all the time that are
"critical" for some users (and cause a huge ruckus, believing Their
Way (tm) is The Only Way (tm)).

> > What may be usable for you is what makes computers unusable or less
> > useful to the bulk of computer users -- DOS and other CLUIs were great
> > in the eyes of some (not-so-sane IMNSHO), yet DOS and all such CLUIs
> > required people to the be the tools of the computer, and not the other
> > way around where the computer itself was the tool.
>
> I've helped hundreds of newbies.  Some prefer starting things from
> menus.  Some prefer clicking through file folders.  Some prefer
> right clicking in the desktop and "Create New Foo".  When someone
> invents another great paradigm, there will be new users that prefer
> that mode too.  People are not all like you.  Why should they be?

They don't have to be.

That's the beauty of life. What software SHOULD be (and, is evolving
towards) is the best thing for as many people as possible. If that
happens to coincide with my needs. That's great for me. If they don't,
that's my tough luck. Then I'll either have to go spend money (e.g.
buy Mac OS X upgrade... which I'll do anyway for the foreseeable
future since I need and use both OSes), write my own thing, or simply
acknowledge that what I need doesn't exist.

> Software freedoms include zero cost, the freedom to edit and
> recompile, and freedom from religious bigots who insist that
> system emails be suppressed and that files can only be opened
> from Nautilus.

How about having some freedom from religious bigots who insist that
emails be incorporated at the expense of something else. It's nice to
have your cake and eat it too, but, unless you're the one paying for
the cake, it's hard to demand vanilla when everyone else wants
chocolate!

> > PS It would not be a Bad Thing (tm) to ask a GNOME user whether they
> > really want to browse outside of "~/" (let alone /usr). There's no
> > reason that a person using a computer as a tool should be going
> > outside of "~/" so it's probably good practice to caution them against
> > going there, unless they have a REASON to be there.
>
> Hmmm, as I write this an unsophisticated user walked into the room.
> (Hello my love.)  She's a teacher, journalist, and photographer.
> None of her class materials, articles or photographs are in her
> home folder.  Nor is the place where the digital camera's memory
> stick appears in the filesystem.  Why should the Thought Police dictate
> how she uses her computer?
>
> --Mike Bird

It's questionable whether it's WISE to have a user's files spread out
all over the file system. There's a reason admins lock down a computer
and keep users in ~/. There's little reason for most users to really
exit ~/.

As for where external devices appear in the file system -- that is one
exception which should be handled more cleanly than it does.

Plus, you're there to support her (assuming she is as unsophisticated
as you'd like to believe ;-) so it's "safer" to throw files
everywhere.

Eric.



From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 19:36:23 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:06:23 +0330
Subject: change keyboard layouts through command line
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512191136i6e3e89ebo8d0b1832671c9f47@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,

I'm looking  for a way to add a new layout (language) and then change layout
options through command line, can any one please help ?




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From horst.schlonz at gmx.de  Mon Dec 19 19:43:12 2005
From: horst.schlonz at gmx.de (Horst Schlonz)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:43:12 +0100
Subject: update-notifier does not work
Message-ID: <1135021392.15261.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

update-notifier is running but it does not notify me about updates. i
have to do updates manually. this is bad.




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 19 19:51:05 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:51:05 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 11:18, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> If "Just Works" means it just works for you, then you better be
> willing to cough up the dough for a distro that will "just work" for
> you. Otherwise, you (and I) have to accept that the focus will be on
> meeting the needs of most users, or meeting the needs of the
> developers. Not on meeting your or my needs!

Certainly.  You or I can install what we need.  My concern is for
the unfortunate newbies - and they will certainly number at least
into the thousands - who will lose months of work because the
warning messages that cronjobs or other software send them were
deliberately discarded by religious zealots who don't believe that
newbies should see such system emails.

That's hundreds of man-years - lifetimes of work - lost because
some mid-level PHB at Canonical didn't understand system emails.

> It's questionable whether it's WISE to have a user's files spread out
> all over the file system. There's a reason admins lock down a computer
> and keep users in ~/. There's little reason for most users to really
> exit ~/.

It's questionable whether it's LOGICAL to assume that not having a
user's key files in ~/ means that they are "spread out all over the
file system".  We see shared-workspace paradigms where files are
organized by group rather than by user.  We see paradigms where files
are organized by project under /srv.  We see paradigms where files
are organized by importance, with e.g. source files in /stuff2backup
and MP3's in /dontwastebackupspace.

Don't restrict millions of potential Ubuntu users to the limitations
of your imagination, no matter how wonderful your imagination may be.

Linux contains the accumulated wisdom (and mistakes) of thousands of
people over decades of development.  These little Canonical cabals
of three or four people who say "well I don't know why anyone would
want to do that, let's chuck it out" are seriously hurting what
could have been a valuable improvement over Debian.

--Mike Bird




From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:04:55 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:04:55 +0000
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>
References: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us> <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512191204r4f66a80eq@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Justin Tisserat <JTListserv at cox.net> wrote:
> Peter Stoddard wrote:
>
> >On Sunday 18 December 2005 6:49 pm, ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> >
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>I have Ubuntu installed on an Apple PowerBook G4 with a PPC Processor
> >>using Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10. During the installation process the
> >>Ubuntu install sees and loads module support for the Airport WiFi card
> >>in my laptop. However, once Ubuntu is installed and I log in I can't
> >>seem to see the wireless interface. Being new to Linux I am at a loss as
> >>to how to configure the WiFi card. I am familiar with the basics of
> >>ifup/ifdown/ifconfig but with the WiFi card I'm not sure where to
> >>start.  I have an Airport wireless (802.11b) not an Airport Extreme. I
> >>don't mind the learning curve and would appreciate some feedback on
> >>where to start. Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I have the same problem.  It turns out that I have a wireless Airport Extreme
> >network card manufactured by Broadcom (BCM4306).  I forget the command I used
> >to find that out -- maybe someone can tell you the correct command.
> >
> >Broadcom devices are not supported in Linux because the source code has not
> >been made available by the manufacturer.  The driver has apparently been
> >reverse engineered, with details at:
> >
> >http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12886
> >
> >I downloaded an experimental driver but couldn't compile it.  Its a little
> >over my head at the moment.
> >
> >I hope you have a simpler time of it.
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >
> >
> Hi Pete, et. all,
>
> I believe I have an older airport.
>
> I checked and do see that that a device does show on the Gnome Device
> Manager under KeyLargo Mac I/O as eth1; I'm assuming thats the Airport
> since I already have a device under UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) as eth0
> which I know to be the wired ethernet.  When I checked
> /etc/network/interfaces I saw no entry for it so I added it as a DHCP
> device and issued an ifup command. Now eth1 happly starts up looking for
> DHCP.
>
> Assuming eth1 is the Airport card I suppose now its a matter of
> configuring it properly. I am not sure if Ubuntu supports WPA. Thats
> what I have set up here at home.
>

Does it not show up in System/Administration/Network? That's where you
typically configure ethernet or wireless connections.

-Eamonn



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:06:58 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:06:58 +0000
Subject: Advice for where to get help with ESD and ALSA?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512181919l2dfb5103q5fd3a29f70f6f103@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512181919l2dfb5103q5fd3a29f70f6f103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512191206s1ec1eefbw@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having some very long running problems with ESD and maybe ALSA, I
> was wondering if anyone might have some advice on support
> sites/forums/chat rooms etc that they'd recommend for these
> applications?

Have you tried giving details of the problem here and we haven't been
able to help? I find the ubuntu forums typically more helpful than the
developer-focused, specific ones.

-Eamonn



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 20:10:03 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:10:03 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:18:19 -0500
Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about having some freedom from religious bigots who insist that
> emails be incorporated at the expense of something else. It's nice to
> have your cake and eat it too, but, unless you're the one paying for
> the cake, it's hard to demand vanilla when everyone else wants
> chocolate!

I think this misses the point spectactularly.

In the first place, even if you accept the idea that postfix should be
included by default (which, as a number of people have already commented,
is not actually necessary "per se", since there are simpler MTAs
available), you are looking at a rather small amount of disc space. From 

apt-cache show postfix

Filename: pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.2.4-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
Size: 910878

similarly mailx :

Filename: pool/main/m/mailx/mailx_8.1.2-0.20040524cvs-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
Size: 149566

On the point of having your cake and eating it:

Just Works (tm) implies that not only the user interface, but the
underlying system should be complete and functional. That functionality
includes standard and accepted norms like local mail delivery, since cron
makes its reports that way, amongst other reasons.

I'm all in favour of sensible discussion of this issue, but I'm also in
favour of avoiding name-calling, and avoiding arguments that are based
on convenient reconstructions of what other people have actually said.

Peter




From shot at hot.pl  Mon Dec 19 20:19:48 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:19:48 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Calendar: where is it?
In-Reply-To: <20051217125537.GA24024@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <bbda83370512161443j16e16b7bxdaa324492fe6208e@mail.gmail.com>
	<do0j1n$9bm$1@sea.gmane.org> <20051217125537.GA24024@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <20051219201948.GO8831@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

Seth Hasani:

> Since the packages are so old, its unlikely they
> will ever be updated for such a minor thing.

Why not? They're in Breezy's main, so should be fully supported.
Please do file a bug in Bugzilla - judging from your description,
the fix shouldn't take the maintainer more than a couple of minutes.

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
               Compiling kernels on Debian is FUN! You're gonna
               be hooked.         -- Jeremy Brooks, debian-user
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From list.account at gmx.net  Mon Dec 19 20:25:27 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:25:27 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
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	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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> Am 19.12.2005, 08:38 Uhr, schrieb Luca Manganelli <luca76 at gmail.com>:

> Use initng. I have an Acer 292Lmi laptop and initng speeded VERY MUCH
> the boot process (from POST message to Gnome: about 30-35 seconds),
> but also shutdown is faster: ONLY 3 SECONDS!!!

hello Luca, what do you mean by initng? this is not installed by default,  
the system does not know it.
where do i find it and how to us, for speeding up the the boot process?  
thanks for talking on that. best regards, René



From markluxton at auracom.com  Sat Dec 17 15:05:49 2005
From: markluxton at auracom.com (Mark Luxton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:05:49 -0400
Subject: Serial Mouse
Message-ID: <43A4294D.3010404@auracom.com>

    Has anyone figured out how to get a serial mouse to work? I followed 
instructions found on the Wiki: "Howto install a serial mouse" to edit 
the xorg.conf file. I was told I am not the owner and I could not edit, 
as the file is read only. I am new to Linux but all the other Linux's I 
tried had no problems with serial mouse. Can you tell me how to be owner 
so I can edit xorg.conf?
    The Wiki instructions to reconfigure xserver-xorg don't work at all 
for Breezy Badger. The option to select the mouse port does not come up. 
I was so looking forward to using Ubuntu. So far I've wasted two days on 
a problem that should not exist. Looks nice though. Mark


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From max at militant.dk  Thu Dec 15 20:11:49 2005
From: max at militant.dk (Max Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:11:49 +0100
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>
	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>

leon wrote:
> Unfortunately, I haven't used qemu scared of its speed. VMware is
> already very slow and I read comment somewhere that qemu is slower even
> with accelerator.
> 

Vmware (the version I use), is very fast. I run my XP in my vmware on 
ubuntu, and it's faster than my other XP in boot and operation.

So, sayingt vmware is slow, must mean you have a very old version or 
outdated hardware for this purpose.

Sincerely
Max



From trive at poc.it  Sat Dec 17 00:04:42 2005
From: trive at poc.it (trive at poc.it)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:04:42 CET
Subject: Booting PB 12 from ubuntu cd
Message-ID: <courier.43A3480A.000030BE@leonardo.criticalbit.com>

Hi guys,
first of all: Ubuntu is great!
I installed it on an iBook and found it just wonderful.

I've just bought an Apple PowerBook 12 (G4 1.5ghz, 512mb ram) but I have a big problem: it doesn't boot!
Actually it starts booting but it freezes on
"MMU mapin
MMU setio
MMU exit"

... I don't know what to do! I've found on the internet a modified version of the kernel but how do I updtade the kernel in the cd?
I've also tried with Debian etch testing and the powerbook freezes at the same point.

Hope to hear from you soon,
thank you so much,

Mark.









From max at militant.dk  Fri Dec 16 23:41:30 2005
From: max at militant.dk (Max Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:41:30 +0100
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A350AA.9060205@militant.dk>

Steve wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Dapper in VMware, but when trying to install VMware
> Tools, it states that I am missing a C Compiler. There are many things
> in Synaptic... what should I install to fix this?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Steve.
> 

Google it and you'll get plenty of hits.

First try with an older gcc ( like 3.4.5, ex)

and do this in the command prompt before running vmware instalation :

# export CC="/usr/bin/gcc-3.4.5"

Sincerely
Max



From max at militant.dk  Fri Dec 16 23:43:47 2005
From: max at militant.dk (Max Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:43:47 +0100
Subject: Dapper C Compiler
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512161527g740d7768sa6847bd2de4a0da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A35133.8040408@militant.dk>

Steve wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Dapper in VMware, but when trying to install VMware
> Tools, it states that I am missing a C Compiler. There are many things
> in Synaptic... what should I install to fix this?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Steve.
> 


http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65638&highlight=vmware




From hunterp at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 08:04:38 2005
From: hunterp at gmail.com (Hunter Peress)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:04:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: pyxmms-remote: Building dependency tree... Done
Message-ID: <20051218080438.A32784ACA02@localhost.localdomain>

wing packages have unmet dependencies: 
  pyxmms-remote: =?utf-8?q?Depends=3A_python-xmms_=28=3E=3D_2=2E04=29_but_it_is_not_going_?=
 =?utf-8?q?to=0D=0Abe_installed?=
E: Broken packages
Bcc: Hunter Peress <hunterp at gmail.com>
X-Mailer: reportbug 3.5ubuntu5
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:04:38 -0700

Package: pyxmms-remote
Severity: normal


apt-get install pyxmms-remote
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  pyxmms-remote: Depends: python-xmms (>= 2.04) but it is not going to
be installed
E: Broken packages



-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.10-5-386
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)



From umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be  Sun Dec 18 14:04:41 2005
From: umut.tabak at student.kuleuven.be (Umut Tabak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:04:41 +0100
Subject: Swap partition
Message-ID: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>



Dear all,

I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows. The problem is
that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
to view files. Could you please help me on this.

Many thanks in advance and regards.

Umut Tabak



From gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 18 15:10:25 2005
From: gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:10:25 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512180555l7d028c1erd353672c17fe9ceb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>
	<fb6605670512180555l7d028c1erd353672c17fe9ceb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512181510.27300.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
> How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.

Well, perhaps a loaded title, but not a bad idea, though why the CD 
can't come with a bare-bones KDE setup as well defeats me.  Ubuntu must 
be the only major distro not to do it.  Yes, I know you can do it by 
installing kubuntu-desktop, but KDE is not a minor suite, and like 
other distros, it should be at bootup as standard.

> Perhaps an expert mode in the installer would help too, that pulls in
> a lot of packages that Linux users with experience might want. 

I'm not sure if its covered by the GPL, but Libranet has a built-in 
application called Adminmenu, which does just this.  I'm not sure if 
Libranet will continue but there are noises on the Libranet users list 
about finding other financial backers, so perhaps Ubuntu/Kubuntu could 
come together with Libranet to provide this.  As a long-time Libranet 
user, I have found Adminmenu invaluable: it even helps you compile your 
own kernel!

The problem is (as I understand it), Ubuntu does NOT provide an 
interface with pure Debian packages.  Some work and others do not.  If 
the system was compatible with 100% pure Debian packages, there would 
be no problem with choice, and if Debian provided as good an installer 
as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  
We could all join forces around debian.org.

> Oh, 
> wait, that's another option, and hence a choice. Can't have that. It
> might confuse people.

Well, Debian was founded on the basis of a standard that could be 
applied to all packages (stable, testing, unstable).  There is already 
choice: the Debian's site boasts 15490 packages in it repositories, so 
all it takes is to make Ubuntu/Kubuntu accessible to all of those.
-- 

Graham



From pudic at neobee.net  Mon Dec 19 00:25:59 2005
From: pudic at neobee.net (Rapid D.o.o.)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:25:59 +0100
Subject: help needed
Message-ID: <op.s1z8tldtbw7wk5@localhost.localdomain>

when I try to run apt-get update I get following message

Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com  
breezy/multiverse Packages

I'm new with this and help is nedeed.
Thanks

Chu



From robertcrawford at peoplepc.com  Mon Dec 19 20:02:44 2005
From: robertcrawford at peoplepc.com (robert)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:02:44 -0600
Subject: Photoshop alternative
Message-ID: <43A711E4.5070203@peoplepc.com>

List,

I have not installed this program. I was a gimp hack, called gimpshop. 
This might help someone.

Robert



From richard.kessler at matteicos.com  Mon Dec 19 18:39:24 2005
From: richard.kessler at matteicos.com (Richard Kessler)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Newbie needs help - How to boot to the console
Message-ID: <loom.20051219T193617-191@post.gmane.org>

I frequently prefer to work at the command line, but have not found how to get
Ubuntu to boot to the console. In other Linuxes I thought just changing the run
level did the trick, but I do not find a spot to do that in the inittab.

Embarrassinly simple question, but how do I just get it to boot to the console
so that I can startx later if I need to.

Thanks very much in advance,

Richard




From luca76 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:37:52 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:37:52 +0100
Subject: slower and slower
In-Reply-To: <op.s11scp19bu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
References: <437F5751.9040903@bellsouth.net>
	<23meg.1yu1py@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<op.s0kuwvm1fof5ns@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s1zp48ns3zxjux@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512182338x220c092if236ae6d2a66da40@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s11scp19bu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bbda83370512191237o1f1afa5l5ffda6d0a4edbb49@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, René <list.account at gmx.net> wrote:
> hello Luca, what do you mean by initng? this is not installed by default,
> the system does not know it.
> where do i find it and how to us, for speeding up the the boot process?
> thanks for talking on that. best regards, René

Search it on Ubuntuforums



From ut.linuxer at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:39:40 2005
From: ut.linuxer at gmail.com (Jason Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:39:40 +0200
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512190725u9244471xb301557e6b40fb09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<frodon.20agrb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<adbefcbf0512190547m7c9fa8b4t83e4e5cf611e17a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512190725u9244471xb301557e6b40fb09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a113efc30512191239y3af4d48fh8a1d055ffbca8a37@mail.gmail.com>

After I have installed Ubuntu 5.10 I din't manage to write not even one
DVD, because DMA was not enabled. Not to mention
the high CPU usage when I was accessing my optical drive.

Luckily Nero warned me about the DMA misconfiguration, I corected the
problem
and now everything works fine. I think DMA should be enabled by default.

Regards

On 12/19/05, Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/19/05, Steve <bassix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/19/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Because old drives don't support DMA and it's why, i think, DMA is not
> > > set by default.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > frodon
> >
> > Isn't this a little contradictory? For example, by default IPv6 *is*
> > enabled, which causes browsing problems for systems without this *new*
> > technology. However DMA is treated the opposite? I rather need to do
> > some fiddling to get any *old* hardware to work, than to get current
> > hardware (probably majority) to work.
> >
> > Just my opinion...
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> Related link for newbies:  Here is how to enable DMA to be "on"
> automatically from the Ubuntu help guide.
>
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2514447
>
> cheers,
> --
> http://kimbriggs.com
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Mon Dec 19 20:48:21 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:48:21 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135025301.5006.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 10:01 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> Software freedoms include zero cost

Correction. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 19 20:52:16 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:52:16 -0700
Subject: Serial Mouse
In-Reply-To: <43A4294D.3010404@auracom.com>
References: <43A4294D.3010404@auracom.com>
Message-ID: <43A71D80.4020704@telusplanet.net>

Good afternoon, Mark!

> the xorg.conf file. I was told I am not the owner and I could not edit, 
> as the file is read only. I am new to Linux but all the other Linux's I 
> tried had no problems with serial mouse. Can you tell me how to be owner 
> so I can edit xorg.conf?

To edit the xorg.conf file from the console do a Ctrl-Alt-F1, then a 
"sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". Give your user password when asked 
(not the root password). You will be presented with a series of pages 
that deal with certain aspects of getting the Xserver file set up. Move 
through these pages (you don't need the mouse, the Tab key works) until 
you reach a page that deals with rodentia. Specify that yours whould be 
on ttyS0 (if you are are COM1). Continue going through the pages until 
you are dumped back to the command line.

Now at this point, I "think" doing a Ctrl-Alt-F7 should take you into 
your GUI with your mouse working, but I could be wrong, so I suggest 
that from the console just type "sudo shutdown -r now" to reboot. If you 
have your moouse on ttys0 (as above) things should be ok.

HTH

Rob



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 21:00:39 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:00:39 +0500
Subject: System Monitor/Services
In-Reply-To: <E1EoMC8-00075t-JQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EoMC8-00075t-JQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A71F77.2050604@gmail.com>

Hi Sasha,

ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:29:09 +1100
>From: Sasha Tsykin <psychosushi at optusnet.com.au>
>Subject: Re: System Monitor/Services
>  
>
X................................................................................................

>The gnome-keyring-daemon keeps the password and secrets for a session.
>The SSHD handles secure shell connections.
>  
>
Thanks for replying.

I am curious about these services because I can connect to GMail (which 
logs you in via HTTPS) even though I "end" both of the above services - 
gnome-keyring-daemon & SSHD.  In addition, Bonobo Activation Server 
keeps starts again the moment I run another app from Gnome but "end"ing 
it doesn't do any harm to anything.  OR am I incurring some kind of a 
risk by "end"ing these services from System Monitor?

--
Best regards,

Asif




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 19 21:02:15 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:02:15 -0700
Subject: Serial Mouse
In-Reply-To: <43A71D80.4020704@telusplanet.net>
References: <43A4294D.3010404@auracom.com> <43A71D80.4020704@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <43A71FD7.9040302@telusplanet.net>

Whoops!
Didn't read the second part of your post very well (actually at all!)
Sorry about that!

How about posting your xorg.conf file and we can see whatcha got!

Rob



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Mon Dec 19 21:02:08 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:02:08 +1100
Subject: Newbie needs help - How to boot to the console
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051219T193617-191@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051219T193617-191@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20051220080208.6e457bd9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Richard Kessler <richard.kessler at matteicos.com> wrote:

> I frequently prefer to work at the command line, but have not found how to get
> Ubuntu to boot to the console. In other Linuxes I thought just changing the run
> level did the trick, but I do not find a spot to do that in the inittab.
> 
> Embarrassinly simple question, but how do I just get it to boot to the console
> so that I can startx later if I need to.

There are several ways ;) Using runlevels is not necessary and would be
more complicated.

Quick and dirty way:

sudo gedit /etc/X11/default-display-manager

comment out 
/usr/sbin/gdm

or just remove it, or put in the word "false" or "goaway" or whateveryou
fancy . (It's the only entry in this file. If you use another *dm like
kdm, that's what you would remove - /usr/bin/kdm) You can put it back if
you change your mind...

More acceptable Debian Way (tm)  ;-)

sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove

removes the symlink for gdm start-up . From the "man" for update-rc.d:

  -f     Force removal of symlinks even if /etc/init.d/name still exists



There are no doubt other ways.

Ubuntu and Debian don't play the same runlevel games as Red Hat , Mandriva
et al. In Ubuntu the default runlevel is 2, and X runs in that runlevel,
not runlevel 5. Runlevel 3 is not a default CLI.

Peter


 -- Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple
small epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 21:17:47 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:17:47 -0500
Subject: Bundle a couple of video (.avi) files in a playable DVD
References: <cea328d10511130831r366f7f1ex42a172d2fb371f32@mail.gmail.com><chiefofthejojos.1yh7om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<cea328d10511140251v5f2effc2t709f55e92a3a3281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cvmostert.20b2za@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


thank you for the info, i have searched so much for avi to vcd and avi
to mpg and whatever you can think of and i am highly frustrated with my
slow pc... so i think i should upgrade for christmas!

cheers.


-- 
cvmostert



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 21:31:01 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:31:01 +0500
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <E1EoMC8-00075t-JQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EoMC8-00075t-JQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A72695.1080201@gmail.com>

Hi Derek,

Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:

> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:43:17 -0400
> From: Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> Subject: Re: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack


>> I would like good apps Scribus, Inkscape, Sodipodi, Blender, Nvu,
>> educational packages, Fluxbox, etc. on the installation CD so that
>> everything that a common home user likes to play  with gets installed
>> by default when one installs Ubuntu.
>  
>
> You _must_ be joking.  I haven't used _any_ of those.  I installed Scribus
> last week and _might_ use it - it looks like it could be useful.

>> A nicer GUI such as FluxBox would be a compelling reason for
>> them to convert to Ubuntu.
>
> You might like it, but it's not what the "common home user" is looking for.
Agreed. A common home user might want something different. However, most 
of my friends & cousins like Windows XP and they say it's graphical 
features (the GUI) is better than Fedora & Ubuntu. IMNSHO, they will 
begin to like Linux better once they have seen environments such as 
FluxBox and they get to use the packages I mentioned in my post. They 
are sick and tired of Windows viruses and re-installing it again and 
again so many times. As to the software apps I mentioned earlier, I 
would highly suggest that you take a look at those apps. Specifically, 
GIMP+Inkscape+Scribus is a very good combination if you want to publish 
some nice docs, cards, brochures, etc. IMHO, Blender is one of the most 
recognized 3D modelling app in Linix world. Similarly, if you can make a 
sketch manually by your hand then SodiPodi's pencil tool is one of the 
best tool I have ever seen - even Illustrator, Flash, Freehand, etc. are 
not _that_ good! Nvu is not as mature as something like 
DreamWeaverMX2004 but you can use it effectively if your HTML knowledge 
is good enough. I mentioned graphics-related packages because most 
teenagers like to play with them even if they don't have very good 
knowledge of these apps. I would highly suggest that you please do visit 
the following websites:

                            http://www.inkscape.org
                            http://www.blender.org http://www.gimp.org
                            http://www.sodipodi.com
                            http://www.scribus.net http://www.nvu.com 

and read the features as well as the reviews. -- Best regards, Asif




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 19 22:18:45 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:18:45 -0800
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <1135030726.26309.452.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 15:04 +0100, Umut Tabak wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows. The problem is
> that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
> called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> to view files. Could you please help me on this.
> 
> Many thanks in advance and regards.
> 
> Umut Tabak
> 

Try 

swapon -s


for a start...


HTH

Vram






From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Mon Dec 19 22:36:50 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:50 -0800
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1135030726.26309.452.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
	<1135030726.26309.452.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135031809.6778.222.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 14:18, Vram wrote:
> > I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> > while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows. The problem is
> > that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
> > called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> > try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> > to view files. Could you please help me on this.
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance and regards.
>
> swapon -s

There's a misunderstanding here.  Swap partitions are not for
exchanging files with Windows, they are for internal operation
of Linux.  Your swap partition is used when you try to run
more programs than will fit into RAM.  It holds the overflow.

Frankly, I can't think of a way that "Just Works" to exchange
files between Linux and Windows on a dual-boot system.  I've
always bounced files off a server using FTP, NFS, or Samba.
You can mount the Windows C: drive in Samba but it doesn't
work very well.  You can create a FAT partition but you'll
lose long filenames.

Does anybody here have a solution for Umut?

--Mike Bird




From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Mon Dec 19 22:42:29 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:42:29 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <200512181510.27300.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>
	<fb6605670512180555l7d028c1erd353672c17fe9ceb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512181510.27300.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1135032149.20911.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>

sön 2005-12-18 klockan 15:10 +0000 skrev Graham:
> On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> 
> > I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> > install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
> > How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.
> 
> Well, perhaps a loaded title, but not a bad idea, though why the CD 
> can't come with a bare-bones KDE setup as well defeats me.  Ubuntu must 
> be the only major distro not to do it.  Yes, I know you can do it by 
> installing kubuntu-desktop, but KDE is not a minor suite, and like 
> other distros, it should be at bootup as standard.

Um, no. One basic giuding idea of Ubuntu has been to pick one
alternative and do it really well. Not always followed perfectly to be
sure, but it is a good idea. Ubuntu is at its heart a Gnome
distribution; why not let it be so? Even a "bare-bones KDE" is big and
would push out a _lot_ of other packages.

If you want KDE, it's after all only one apt-get away, or you can
install kubuntu instead.


> The problem is (as I understand it), Ubuntu does NOT provide an 
> interface with pure Debian packages.  Some work and others do not.  If 
> the system was compatible with 100% pure Debian packages, there would 
> be no problem with choice, and if Debian provided as good an installer 
> as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  
> We could all join forces around debian.org.

Ubuntu is not intended to be compatible with Debian repositories. It
really can't be fully compatible, given the different goals.

By the way, the Ubuntu installer _is_ the Debian installer. 

If you want Debian, use Debian. What's the point of trying to make
Ubuntu into Debian when it already exists?



-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From theine at nordita.dk  Mon Dec 19 22:51:43 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:51:43 +0100
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <200512192351.43578.theine@nordita.dk>

> I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows. The problem is
> that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
> called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> to view files. Could you please help me on this.

I don't know what you already did with your swap partition, but the usual 
steps are:

1. create the swap partition using fdisk or whatever

2. sudo mkswap /dev/sda2
(assuming that /dev/sda2 is the swap partition created in 1.)

3. add a line to /etc/fstab:
/dev/sda2        none            swap            sw              0 0

4. sudo swapon -a

If everything goes well, check whether your swap partition has been activated 
with "sudo swapon -s"

Hope this helps,
Tobi



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Mon Dec 19 22:57:04 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:57:04 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135032149.20911.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43A55D3B.2090105@internode.on.net>
	<fb6605670512180555l7d028c1erd353672c17fe9ceb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512181510.27300.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1135032149.20911.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135033024.26309.458.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 07:42 +0900, Jan Moren wrote:
> sön 2005-12-18 klockan 15:10 +0000 skrev Graham:
> > On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > 
> > > I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> > > install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.
> > > How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck.
> > 
> > Well, perhaps a loaded title, but not a bad idea, though why the CD 
> > can't come with a bare-bones KDE setup as well defeats me.  Ubuntu must 
> > be the only major distro not to do it.  Yes, I know you can do it by 
> > installing kubuntu-desktop, but KDE is not a minor suite, and like 
> > other distros, it should be at bootup as standard.
> 
> Um, no. One basic giuding idea of Ubuntu has been to pick one
> alternative and do it really well. Not always followed perfectly to be
> sure, but it is a good idea. Ubuntu is at its heart a Gnome
> distribution; why not let it be so? Even a "bare-bones KDE" is big and
> would push out a _lot_ of other packages.
> 
> If you want KDE, it's after all only one apt-get away, or you can
> install kubuntu instead.
> 
> 
> > The problem is (as I understand it), Ubuntu does NOT provide an 
> > interface with pure Debian packages.  Some work and others do not.  If 
> > the system was compatible with 100% pure Debian packages, there would 
> > be no problem with choice, and if Debian provided as good an installer 
> > as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  
> > We could all join forces around debian.org.
> 
> Ubuntu is not intended to be compatible with Debian repositories. It
> really can't be fully compatible, given the different goals.
> 
> By the way, the Ubuntu installer _is_ the Debian installer. 
> 
> If you want Debian, use Debian. What's the point of trying to make
> Ubuntu into Debian when it already exists?
> 
> 
> 


Peace..

I love it!!!


Vram




> -- 
> Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
> Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
> Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren
> 
> 




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 19 22:53:58 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:53:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Stick to the subjects!! WAS different: Ubuntu is under attack 
 (longish)
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512182202y642f50fdqc7e24e5a48a179b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au><20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au><1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au><1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com><1134891813.6778.29.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051219101257.56da2339.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au><77520bee0512182008o676e7780uaeb9d0fb90cbcbd7@mail.gmail.com><1134968368.6778.162.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512182202y642f50fdqc7e24e5a48a179b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20645.213.237.42.134.1135032838.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/19/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 20:08, Eric Dunbar wrote:
>> > Ubuntu has shown that less is more.
>> >
> [snip]
>>
>> Please Eric, check your facts.  One of our reasons for switching
>> from Fedora to Ubuntu was because Ubuntu has more, not less:
>
> The phrase "less is more" ...
What has this to do with "Ubuntu is under attack"??
Please change your Subject header as I have done.
A little structure is needed to be taken as a serious debate, please

Phillip



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 22:55:08 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:55:08 +0000
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1135031809.6778.222.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
	<1135030726.26309.452.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135031809.6778.222.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <3f1760512191455vc959320i@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/12/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 14:18, Vram wrote:
> > > I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> > > while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows. The problem is
> > > that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
> > > called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> > > try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> > > to view files. Could you please help me on this.


> Frankly, I can't think of a way that "Just Works" to exchange
> files between Linux and Windows on a dual-boot system.  I've
> always bounced files off a server using FTP, NFS, or Samba.
> You can mount the Windows C: drive in Samba but it doesn't
> work very well.  You can create a FAT partition but you'll
> lose long filenames.

I'm not sure how Samba  helps wrt a dual boot box.

Can't you just mount the windows partition directly?
Umut - what version of Windows is it? Unless its' NTFS, it should show
up in GNOME under 'places' -> 'computer'.

Worst case scenario, just 'sudo mount' , 'sudo cp'...

> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Mon Dec 19 22:58:54 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:58:54 +1300
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <1135033134.6257.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 15:04 +0100, Umut Tabak wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows.

You misunderstand the purpose of the swap partition.

The Linux kernel uses the swap partition to store the working memory of
programs that are running.  This is similar to what Windows uses
pagefile.sys FILE for.


There is an EXT2/EXT3 filesystem module for MSWindows, and Linux can
mount FAT/VFAT partitions read-write.  There is a Linux driver for NTFS,
but I understand that there are issues with using that to WRITE to an
NTFS partition.

>  The problem is
> that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive
> called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> to view files. Could you please help me on this.
> 
> Many thanks in advance and regards.
> 
> Umut Tabak
> 

Tim




From taeb at netins.net  Mon Dec 19 23:02:49 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:02:49 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
Message-ID: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>

For various reasons I'm planning to build an Intel-based box on which I
plan to run only Linux.  My background is Macintosh, so the PC stuff is
all pretty new to me, and I have (at least) two questions I'd like to
get answered before I put in the order.

1. Can I run only Linux, or am I going to have to have a copy of Windows
in order to do some things -- such as update the BIOS?  I read on a
message board that sometimes the BIOS updates can only be done -- or the
files only created -- using Windows.  I don't know much about BIOS and
even less about updating it.  So, can I run a pure Linux system, or do I
need/want to have a copy of Windows?  I have no religious aversion to
Windows, but I really don't want to deal with yet another OS, the
updates, the virus problems, the expense, etc.  I'd like to concentrate
my efforts and budget toward Linux only and fall back on the Mac if I
need commercial software.

2. The optical drive recommended and that sounded good to me is the
Plextor PX-716SA.  Elsewhere, someone said that Xandros did not
recognize his SATA optical drive -- also a PX-716.  Is anyone using this
drive under Ubuntu?  Or -- in case no one is -- what optical drive do
you use that you would recommend and which, of course, works flawlessly
with Ubuntu?

I'm a first-time builder, and I'd like to minimize problems other than
myself in this process.

Many thanks for your help.  And for any other suggestions that you might
be inclined to offer.  :)

tonyB



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Mon Dec 19 23:08:41 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:08:41 +1300
Subject: Ubuntu and windows file exchange; Copy Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135014168.43a6f118ccb9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1135014168.43a6f118ccb9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <1135033721.6257.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 18:42 +0100, Umut Tabak wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> While installing Ubuntu I have created a Fat32 partition of 5 GB to
> exchance files with Windows; now the problem is that I cannot see that
> partition from linux(or I am looking at the wrong places). I have sda1,
> sda2 (which I cannot see inside due to a permission conflict).Message is
> "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "sda2"".
> 
> I again get a permission error while trying to copy a file with 
> 
> cp deneme.cpp /home/ 
> 
> error is
> 
> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/deneme.cpp': Permission denied
> 
Unless you have done something strange, your home directory will
be /home/umut (assuming that you used "umut" as the user name).

With the bash shell that is Ubuntu's default shell, you can always refer
to your home directory by using the symbol "~".  So you could copy the
file deneme.cpp to your home directory with
   cp deneme.cpp ~


The error is because the directory called /home is owned by the "root"
user, not by you.


> This must be a very simple operation but still a problem for me
> 
> Comments on exchanging and copying??
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Umut
> 




From wade at wadesmart.com  Mon Dec 19 23:12:24 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:12:24 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
Message-ID: <43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>

12192005 1710 GMT-5

The BIOS is not related to the BIOS so yes, you can run only Linux.
When your system starts up you will see a little note: F10 for BIOS, 
something like that.
That is how you edit that.

I would stick to what works - IDE. SATA is great  - if you want to work 
to get it working.

Wade

taeb wrote:

>For various reasons I'm planning to build an Intel-based box on which I
>plan to run only Linux.  My background is Macintosh, so the PC stuff is
>all pretty new to me, and I have (at least) two questions I'd like to
>get answered before I put in the order.
>
>1. Can I run only Linux, or am I going to have to have a copy of Windows
>in order to do some things -- such as update the BIOS?  I read on a
>message board that sometimes the BIOS updates can only be done -- or the
>files only created -- using Windows.  I don't know much about BIOS and
>even less about updating it.  So, can I run a pure Linux system, or do I
>need/want to have a copy of Windows?  I have no religious aversion to
>Windows, but I really don't want to deal with yet another OS, the
>updates, the virus problems, the expense, etc.  I'd like to concentrate
>my efforts and budget toward Linux only and fall back on the Mac if I
>need commercial software.
>
>2. The optical drive recommended and that sounded good to me is the
>Plextor PX-716SA.  Elsewhere, someone said that Xandros did not
>recognize his SATA optical drive -- also a PX-716.  Is anyone using this
>drive under Ubuntu?  Or -- in case no one is -- what optical drive do
>you use that you would recommend and which, of course, works flawlessly
>with Ubuntu?
>
>I'm a first-time builder, and I'd like to minimize problems other than
>myself in this process.
>
>Many thanks for your help.  And for any other suggestions that you might
>be inclined to offer.  :)
>
>tonyB
>
>  
>



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Mon Dec 19 23:16:38 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:16:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Voting for packages, was: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61af2c540512181438p1f0879b3u262fb35b1f21876b@mail.gmail.com><l0qi73-rif.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<515e525f0512190639t54c37800x1c80ad4b67211bd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20682.213.237.42.134.1135034198.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/19/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>> Asif Lodhi wrote:
>> > I would like good apps Scribus, Inkscape, Sodipodi, Blender, Nvu,
>> > educational packages, Fluxbox, etc. on the installation CD so that
>> > everything that a common home user likes to play  with gets installed
>> > by default when one installs Ubuntu.
>>
>> You _must_ be joking.  I haven't used _any_ of those.  I installed
>> Scribus
>> last week and _might_ use it - it looks like it could be useful.
>
> You never know, he could just be sarcastic against the original wail
> that postfix and mailx was 'missing'.
Which must be a detail.
And with the same time you have spend on writing this - you can with the
right repositories install it by:
sudo apt-get install Scribus Inkscape Sodipodi Blender Nvu Fluxbox
and that's it.

However the more time-demanding optimizations could be automized better
with scripts such as:
old_computer.run could start optimizations like that of xubuntu
edu_computers.run could start optimizations like that of edubuntu
new_computers.run could start optimizations for complete new computers
with at least 2.6.12_686 kernels, ACPI, all hdparm parameters for all
drives, etc.selftests for ATI or Nvidia screens etc (with possible stop if
you need propiotare software - of cause).
The scripts has to be explaned carefully so you know what you are doing
first.

Regards

Phillip



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 23:33:00 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:33:00 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135021865.6778.202.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135021865.6778.202.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Mike Bird" on Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 02:51:05PM EST>

> That's hundreds of man-years - lifetimes of work - lost because
> some mid-level PHB at Canonical didn't understand system emails.

What's a "mid-level PHB"?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 19 23:29:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:29:34 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <MetalMusicAddict.20b9gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Wade Smart Wrote: 
> 12192005 1710 GMT-5
> The BIOS is not related to the BIOS so yes, you can run only Linux.
> When your system starts up you will see a little note: F10 for BIOS, 
> something like that.
> That is how you edit that.
> Wade
I dont quite think that is what he means. Sometimes, if your BIOS
software (on the chipset) needs updated. Often the update from the
manufacturer is a .exe that creates a boot floppy that upgrades the
BIOS. In -that- way its tied to windows.

If thats what your wondering. Often a app called WINE can be used to
make the floppy. Or Im sure some good Ubuntu folk would be able to help
you.

I would say dont worry. ;)

MetalMusicAddict at UbuntuFourms


-- 
MetalMusicAddict



From dontodd at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 23:40:40 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512191540r6842638apdb60bfb7055e20a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, taeb <taeb at netins.net> wrote:
> For various reasons I'm planning to build an Intel-based box on which I
> plan to run only Linux.  My background is Macintosh, so the PC stuff is
> all pretty new to me, and I have (at least) two questions I'd like to
> get answered before I put in the order.
>
> 1. Can I run only Linux, or am I going to have to have a copy of Windows
> in order to do some things -- such as update the BIOS?  I read on a
> message board that sometimes the BIOS updates can only be done -- or the
> files only created -- using Windows.  I don't know much about BIOS and
> even less about updating it.  So, can I run a pure Linux system, or do I
> need/want to have a copy of Windows?  I have no religious aversion to
> Windows, but I really don't want to deal with yet another OS, the
> updates, the virus problems, the expense, etc.  I'd like to concentrate
> my efforts and budget toward Linux only and fall back on the Mac if I
> need commercial software.
>
> 2. The optical drive recommended and that sounded good to me is the
> Plextor PX-716SA.  Elsewhere, someone said that Xandros did not
> recognize his SATA optical drive -- also a PX-716.  Is anyone using this
> drive under Ubuntu?  Or -- in case no one is -- what optical drive do
> you use that you would recommend and which, of course, works flawlessly
> with Ubuntu?
>
> I'm a first-time builder, and I'd like to minimize problems other than
> myself in this process.
>
> Many thanks for your help.  And for any other suggestions that you might
> be inclined to offer.  :)
>
> tonyB

I just built a new box. I don't think you need Windows; whenever I've
updated BIOS it has not been dependent on using Windows.

I'm using a Lite-on cd/dvd burner (e/ide) and a SATA and an IDE hard
drive. No problems to report, everything is just working.

BTW, mine is a lower-end AMD Sempron (64-bit), not Intel.

This is not a week old yet, so the above is, as they say, subject to change ;).

HTH,

Todd



From markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 23:41:17 2005
From: markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com (Markus Mitterhofer)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:41:17 +0100
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>
References: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us> <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7124aab10512191541j137b4cado@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Assuming eth1 is the Airport card I suppose now its a matter of
> configuring it properly. I am not sure if Ubuntu supports WPA. Thats
> what I have set up here at home.


WPA is supported for some wireless chips. The Airport (orinoco, hermes
or whatever it's called) is not among them. You'll have to use WEP.

Put this in your /etc/network/interfaces

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp
wireless_essid yournetworkname
wireless_key YOURKEY

Or try directly with the program   iwconfig

iwconfig eth1 essid yournetworkname key YOURKEY
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From nitebirdz at sacredchaos.com  Mon Dec 19 23:49:30 2005
From: nitebirdz at sacredchaos.com (Nitebirdz)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:49:30 -0600
Subject: Log entire system activity
In-Reply-To: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
References: <439ECA5B.90404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051219234930.GA15734@sacredchaos.com>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:19:23PM +0000, Sarangan Thuraisingham / துரைசிங்கம் சாரங்கன் wrote:
> Is there any way to log the activity that is taking place in the system 
> as a whole? I am talking about something other than kernel logs.
> 
> I guess I am a bit paranoid, but sometimes I want to know everything 
> that is happening in my system. For example, I want logs for ssh 
> activity, NFS or samba share activity, what process are using the 
> network, etc
> 
> Is there anything like that at all?
> 

Perhaps something like the "acct" package is what you have in mind?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/admin/acct
http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/acct/
http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/acct/html_chapter/accounting_1.html
http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/acct/accounting_toc.html#SEC_Contents

----------------
Nitebirdz
http://www.sacredchaos.com/



From Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg  Tue Dec 20 00:13:03 2005
From: Alf.Vahau at upng.ac.pg (Alfred Vahau)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:13:03 +1000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>	<1135021865.6778.202.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <43A74C8F.8060506@upng.ac.pg>

Seth Hasani wrote:

><quote who="Mike Bird" on Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 02:51:05PM EST>
>
>  
>
>>That's hundreds of man-years - lifetimes of work - lost because
>>some mid-level PHB at Canonical didn't understand system emails.
>>    
>>
>
>What's a "mid-level PHB"?
>
>
>  
>
Googling turns out PHB as Pointy-Haired Boss i.e mid-level Pointy-Haired 
Boss?
It's probably contextual, given the tone of this debate which is watched 
with great
interest from this end of the globe.

Alfred,

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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 19 23:58:58 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:58:58 -0700
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <MetalMusicAddict.20b9gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
	<MetalMusicAddict.20b9gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A74942.9090607@telusplanet.net>

Good afternoon!

> I dont quite think that is what he means. Sometimes, if your BIOS
> software (on the chipset) needs updated. Often the update from the
> manufacturer is a .exe that creates a boot floppy that upgrades the
> BIOS. In -that- way its tied to windows.
> 
> If thats what your wondering. Often a app called WINE can be used to
> make the floppy. Or Im sure some good Ubuntu folk would be able to help
> you.

The OP might want to give a thought to FreeDOS(http://www.freedos.org/).

Here is a link from that site that would allow him to install a small 
parition of a 16-bit OS -- forgotten its name now :) -- to use for 
formatting bootable FAT floppies to hold the BIOS updating .exe files:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/old/beta9sr2/

This link: http://fdos.org/bootdisks/old/ has some .img files that 
create FreeDOS bootable disks. The OP could just copy the BIOS .exe file 
to these disks, boot the computer from these disks and run the BIOS 
software.

Rob



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 23:58:03 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:58:03 +0000
Subject: firefox and video plugin
Message-ID: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi there,

I've mozilla-mplayer plugin and realplayer plugin installed. And now all
the .rm file are opened by mplayer plugin. How can I associate .rm with
reaplayer?

Mplayer plugin is nice but not very stable and it opens rtsp stream
media very slowly.

Thank you in advance.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 00:00:40 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:00:40 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135021865.6778.202.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <1135036839.6778.228.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 15:33, Seth Hasani wrote:
> What's a "mid-level PHB"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy_Haired_Boss

However, further discussion of PHB theory belongs on Sounder.

--Mike Bird




From clintin at linuxmail.org  Tue Dec 20 00:06:38 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:06:38 -0700
Subject: help needed
Message-ID: <20051220000638.6843143EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

go into /etc/apt/sources.list and prune the "us." off the front of each of the repositorities.  I have had this problem as well with the us repo's.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rapid D.o.o." <pudic at neobee.net>
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: help needed
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:25:59 +0100

> 
> when I try to run apt-get update I get following message
> 
> Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com  
> breezy/multiverse Packages
> 
> I'm new with this and help is nedeed.
> Thanks
> 
> Chu
> 
> -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From robert_spencer at mighty.co.za  Mon Dec 19 23:04:18 2005
From: robert_spencer at mighty.co.za (roach)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:04:18 +0200
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>
Message-ID: <200512200104.18262.robert_spencer@mighty.co.za>

On Sunday 18 December 2005 16:04, Umut Tabak wrote:
> I am new to ubuntu and linux os. I have created a swap partition(5 GB)
> while installing ubuntu for file exchange with windows.

I'm sorry, but you've competely misunderstood what a swap partition is for. 
It's also too big.

> The problem is
> that I can not find that partition in linux moreover I have a drive

That's normal behaviour, swap partitions don't show up.

> called sda2(the one linux is installed on is sda1 I guess ??) but when I
> try to open that(sda2) I receive a message that I do not have permission
> to view files. Could you please help me on this.
<...>

Please show us your /etc/fstab file.

All the best.

-- 
Robert "roach" Spencer
Pietermaritzburg
South Africa



From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 20 00:16:11 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:16:11 -0500
Subject: Swap partition
In-Reply-To: <1135031809.6778.222.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134914681.43a56c7950679@webmail2.kuleuven.be>	<1135030726.26309.452.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135031809.6778.222.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <43A74D4B.3080409@earthlink.net>

Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 14:18, Vram wrote:
> 

 >>> snip

> Frankly, I can't think of a way that "Just Works" to exchange
> files between Linux and Windows on a dual-boot system.  I've
> always bounced files off a server using FTP, NFS, or Samba.
> You can mount the Windows C: drive in Samba but it doesn't
> work very well.  You can create a FAT partition but you'll
> lose long filenames.
> 
> Does anybody here have a solution for Umut?
> 
> --Mike Bird


Mike:

Actually, FAT32 does support long filenames, and accessing data files in 
such a partition "Just Works". No Samba, no server. Of course, the data 
within the files must be in a form that Linux can handle -- pdf, music, 
video, Office stuff ...

-- cmg



From xrdawson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 00:24:57 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:24:57 -0800
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <7124aab10512191541j137b4cado@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us> <43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>
	<7124aab10512191541j137b4cado@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512191624p21ef3bd5kbcd25a704a5de05@mail.gmail.com>

I really like this program wifi-radar.  It uses the wifi tool set, but
has a nice iterface for configuration of wifi access points.  It
should work with any system that has a working wifi card.

http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/

Chris

On 12/19/05, Markus Mitterhofer <markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Assuming eth1 is the Airport card I suppose now its a matter of
> > configuring it properly. I am not sure if Ubuntu supports WPA. Thats
> > what I have set up here at home.
>
>  WPA is supported for some wireless chips. The Airport (orinoco, hermes
>  or whatever it's called) is not among them. You'll have to use WEP.
>
>  Put this in your /etc/network/interfaces
>
>  auto eth1
>  iface eth1 inet dhcp
>  wireless_essid yournetworkname
>  wireless_key YOURKEY
>
>  Or try directly with the program   iwconfig
>  iwconfig eth1 essid yournetworkname key YOURKEY
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>



From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Tue Dec 20 00:34:47 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:34:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
Message-ID: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>

This list is not one, I've already received help here and on the forum.

1. Installation.
First, it reminded me of Windoze, one thing I don't need.  No input at all. 
Tried choosing "expert".  Did not look like offering choices.  And no setting of
the root password.  That really threw me.  When the system did not recognise my
password, I thought I had messed up (did not remember not setting it) and
re-installed.  The re-installation worked better in that I was able to get the
login manager instead of "Out of Range".

2. Security.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can boot as root using Recovery Mode.  I took
advantage of that to set a root password.  Whether that stops anyone else using
Recovery Mode to gain root access I don't yet know.

3. Grub.
Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.  Hey, I want to
be in charge of the Boot Loader!  It does not suit me right now (for obvious
reasons) to have Ubuntu as the default.  When I set out to change this, I came
up against various obstacles, more of which in a moment.

4. Screen Resolution.
I've now got 3 systems on my computer.  The other 2 are quite happy with the
settings I use and the settings result in them using exactly the same amount of
the available area - all of it.  Ubuntu wants to use less - with a good third of
and inch or more left black on all sides.  When I tried to find the tool to
check and, possibly, change the settings, it was nowhere to be found.

5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
I wanted Kalarm, so I got Kubuntu 5.10 instead of Ubuntu 5.10.  But I'd like
gedit and, if possible, Nautilus (Konqueror stinks, methinks).  I paid $A9.90
for a one disk installation.  I would happily have paid more for a decent
installation if it was available.  While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a
tool such as System Settings opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?
 And don't talk to me about "Help".  "This page is not available.  Have you
installed all the documentation?"

6. One touch and you buy it.
I was alarmed to discover that selecting anything in a list does not just select
the item, it opens it.  That is way out of left field and will take some getting
used to.

7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, which had decided to
open as a list in Konqueror.  Everything was greyed out, except, possibly, a
note telling me to click on the Administrator's button if I wanted to change
anything.  First, there was nothing to change.  Secondly, there was no
administrator's button.
B. So, that meant I had to edit menu.lst (to get a say in Grub).  Of course, the
file is read-only.  So, I'll go into Midnight Commander, I think, and change the
settings temporarily so that I can edit with Kate which has already opened the
file with the one touch and you buy it policy.  I cannot believe (ok, I do
believe it) there is no Midnight Commander or anything like it.
C. Next thought, open Kate, possibly from the root console.  Look for Help on
the subject (see above).  Could try chmod but I'm getting awfully sick of this.
D. Light goes on.  Login in as Root, open Kate, open file, edit, all's right
with the world.  Sorry, no can do.  Jeepers Creepers.




From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 20 01:03:41 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:03:41 +0900
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1135040621.20911.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'll leave the rest since I don't use KDE or kubuntu and can't really
help there.

tis 2005-12-20 klockan 00:34 +0000 skrev Terry North:
> This list is not one, I've already received help here and on the forum.

> 2. Security.
> Anyone, and I mean anyone, can boot as root using Recovery Mode.  I took
> advantage of that to set a root password.  Whether that stops anyone else using
> Recovery Mode to gain root access I don't yet know.

Nothing you can do (short of setting a separate boot login in your BIOS)
will prevent someone with local access to your machine to get root on
your machine, password or no password.

Not having an active root account, and instead doing admin stuff through
sudo, is exactly as safe as using root directly.



-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From talltim at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 01:11:37 2005
From: talltim at gmail.com (Tim Vaughan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:11:37 +0000
Subject: Warty --> Breezy networking differences
Message-ID: <91321cfc0512191711i1aed0a78je22ebbbc11b148b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been running an OpenVPN tunnel on Warty very successfully for six
months.  Having upgraded another box to Breezy, I've tried running
that as the VPN server.  However, I've run into some problems.

On Warty, I used the following script to create the bridge and set up
the tunnels:

====================================
/sbin/modprobe tun
/sbin/modprobe bridge
openvpn --mktun --dev tap0
openvpn --mktun --dev tap1
openvpn --mktun --dev tap2
ifconfig eth0 down
route del default
brctl addbr br0
brctl addif br0 eth0
brctl addif br0 tap0
brctl addif br0 tap1
brctl addif br0 tap2
ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ifconfig tap1 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ifconfig tap2 0.0.0.0 promisc up
ifconfig br0 192.168.1.35 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
=====================================

I tried using the same script on Breezy but it results in the machine
being unable to ping anything outside of the network (i.e. no gateway
is set and I get "Network is unreachable" messages when trying to
ping, for example, google.com).

What has changed from Warty to Breezy that would cause this error?

output of route -n on Warty machine:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 br0
0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 br0


Output of route -n on Breezy machine:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 br0

Any advice appreciated!

Tim



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 01:18:46 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A74C8F.8060506@upng.ac.pg>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512191118r37d7fb89uca82946aa429d009@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135021865.6778.202.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051219233300.GA18951@RabbitNeT.org>  <43A74C8F.8060506@upng.ac.pg>
Message-ID: <1135041526.26309.465.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:13 +1000, Alfred Vahau wrote:
> Seth Hasani wrote:
> > <quote who="Mike Bird" on Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 02:51:05PM EST>
> > 
> >   
> > > That's hundreds of man-years - lifetimes of work - lost because
> > > some mid-level PHB at Canonical didn't understand system emails.
> > >     
> > 
> > What's a "mid-level PHB"?
> > 
> > 
> >   
> Googling turns out PHB as Pointy-Haired Boss i.e mid-level
> Pointy-Haired Boss?
> It's probably contextual, given the tone of this debate which is
> watched with great
> interest from this end of the globe.
> 
> Alfred,
> 

Globes have ENDS????

I thought they were ROUND????

????

Vram






From patiodragon at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 01:14:40 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:14:40 -0500
Subject: firefox and video plugin
In-Reply-To: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I've mozilla-mplayer plugin and realplayer plugin installed. And now all
> the .rm file are opened by mplayer plugin. How can I associate .rm with
> reaplayer?
>
> Mplayer plugin is nice but not very stable and it opens rtsp stream
> media very slowly.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> --
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> .     *                               .
> .    /.\        Merry Christmas       .
> .   /..'\                             .
> .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    .
> .  /.''.'\                            .
> .  /.'.'.\                            .
> . /'.''.'.\                           .
> . ^^^[_]^^^                           .
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
>

Hi Leon,

In my version of Firefox, based on Mozilla, it is in

Edit..Preferences    and then the
Downloads              section.

HTH,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 01:30:04 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:30:04 -0500
Subject: Problem with Dapper and Nvidia
In-Reply-To: <1135007926.6255.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135007926.6255.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512191730x811487eq5948863a637d358d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez <jlalarcon at gawab.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I got dist-upgrade very well my Breezy Badger to Dapper Drake through
> repositories and apt-get. All works fine in the devel version of Ubuntu
> except one thing:
>
> I use a "vanilla" kernel from http://kernel.org/ and the nvidia driver
> 1.0-8174, taken from the company web... All right with breezy, but when
> i switched to dapper, the driver "stop work", the log says:
>
> Failed to load module "glx" (a required submodule could not be loaded,0)
>
> I tried deinstall and reinstall again the module with the Nvidia
> installer (to probe with the dapper's new version of gcc) but the
> problem persist... :(
>
Hi Jose,

It sounds like you know more about this stuff than I do, but I did
just install Ubuntu 5.10 on an IBM machine with Nvidia video card.

This information from the the Ubuntu web site really helped me out:
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installnvidiadriver

Then at some point I updated the video-config-type-thing
#sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

good luck,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Tue Dec 20 02:22:37 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <43A74942.9090607@telusplanet.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
	<MetalMusicAddict.20b9gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A74942.9090607@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <1135045357.16415.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 16:58 -0700, Hodgins Family wrote:
> Good afternoon!
> 
> > I dont quite think that is what he means. Sometimes, if your BIOS
> > software (on the chipset) needs updated. Often the update from the
> > manufacturer is a .exe that creates a boot floppy that upgrades the
> > BIOS. In -that- way its tied to windows.
> > 
> > If thats what your wondering. Often a app called WINE can be used to
> > make the floppy. Or Im sure some good Ubuntu folk would be able to help
> > you.
> 
> The OP might want to give a thought to FreeDOS(http://www.freedos.org/).
> 
> Here is a link from that site that would allow him to install a small 
> parition of a 16-bit OS -- forgotten its name now :) -- to use for 
> formatting bootable FAT floppies to hold the BIOS updating .exe files:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/old/beta9sr2/
> 
> This link: http://fdos.org/bootdisks/old/ has some .img files that 
> create FreeDOS bootable disks. The OP could just copy the BIOS .exe file 
> to these disks, boot the computer from these disks and run the BIOS 
> software.

Also in this vein is http://www.hadess.net/?start=591 which mentions
memdisk.
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From hzs202 at nyu.edu  Tue Dec 20 02:49:46 2005
From: hzs202 at nyu.edu (Hakim Singhji)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
In-Reply-To: <20051217214144.bacc3ca9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<20051217214144.bacc3ca9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Peter Garrett wrote:
> 
> I would guess you need to install gaim-dev.
I did and it worked... thanks.

> By the way, sudo is not required for  ./configure, or "make" - only for
> "make install". Another hint - install the "checkinstall" utility, and run
> "sudo checkinstall" instead of "make install"
So here is the status of this projects... I was able to perform
./configure. Worked fine to my knowledge, ran "make". Then installed
"checkinstall", which worked as well. Checkinstall confirmed
installation also, however when I open gaim tool -> preferences ->
plugins I cannot find the plugin that I just installed.

I have restarted the application and the machine. Gaim does not see
it... what is going on? Do I need to create a soft link to a library
file or something?

Best,
- --
Hakim Singhji | New York University
http://www.uranus.dontexist.com

What causes the mysterious death of everyone?
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From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 03:10:13 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:10:13 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (longish)
In-Reply-To: <200512191251.52836.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<200512190909.05878.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<3f1760512190142q4860a3al@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512191251.52836.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051220031013.GA1090@srcf.ucam.org>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 12:51:52PM +0000, Old Rocker wrote:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 09:42, Dick Davies wrote:
> 
> > Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, isn't it?
> 
> All the evidence is that it is NOT yet a fork of Debian, but it has the 
> potential to be one, and that is to be deprecated.  We should be 
> working TOGETHER in the community and not working against each other.

By any reasonable definition, Debian is a fork of Ubuntu. Many of the 
packages are divergent.
-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 03:20:10 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:20:10 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:

> This blinkered vision is a fundamental misinterpretation of Ubuntu's
> stated goals.  Making Ubuntu Just Work out of the box means what it
> says, not "provide a bunch of eye candy and the software for
> a twenty kilo IPod".  It means in part that users don't have to lose
> a few months work before finding out that critical emails are being
> callously destroyed.  There are all kinds of legal liabilities
> there that Canonical isn't going to be able to disclaim, even for
> a free-as-in-beer product.

Please desist libelling the developers.

An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email. Nothing is 
discarded. If you install anything that generates email, then it is your 
responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that 
mail. If it's considered a vital part of the package functionality, then 
that will be described in the package dependencies. Postfix remains a 
supported part of the Ubuntu distribution - the only difference between 
the situation in Warty and the situation now is that it isn't installed 
by default. However, it's *on the CD*.

The decision not to install an internet daemon by default was taken in 
order to provide increased security, and also to allow people who 
actually /need/ an MTA to configure it appropriately rather than ending 
up with a (mostly useless) default configuration. If you disagree with 
any of the technical decisions, then please bring it up on ubuntu-devel. 
However, if your only argument is that postfix should be installed by 
default, then I'm afraid that it's not a situation that's likely to 
change. If you feel that it's vital for a distribution to come with an 
MTA as part of the default desktop install, then I'm sorry. Ubuntu isn't 
for you. It never was.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From custom at freenet.de  Tue Dec 20 03:38:02 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:02 +0700
Subject: Can't get USB memory stick to work
Message-ID: <1981869225.20051220103802@freenet.de>

Hi..

I have a 512 MB HP  DriveKey USB memory stick.

I plug it in, and nothing happens.

I then check the 'Disks' panel in the Administration menu.  I do see
it listed!

I now manually give it a place to mount. I created a folder
/media/memorystick and then click 'enable'.

I CAN NOW READ MY FILES SUCCESSFULLY!    I still don't see it in 'My
Computer' though.

And more seriously, I cannot copy files TO the memory stick!

I CAN copy files to the memory stick when I open a root-terminal
window.

Obviously it's an access permissions problem.

Why is this so difficult? It's my own USB stick, people (users) who
plug it in SHOULD have write access to their own &@*#*&@#$ stick it by
default! This is just wrong.

Anyway, how can I fix this, preferably without going into config files
manually? (Though if that's what it takes then I'll do it)

Cheers,
Chanchao





From pascal.potvin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 04:22:29 2005
From: pascal.potvin at gmail.com (Pascal Potvin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:22:29 -0500
Subject: Problem with Dapper and Nvidia
In-Reply-To: <1135007926.6255.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135007926.6255.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ce7c15d90512192022o5df85ee2m@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jose,

You should look to see if the file
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so is installed on your
computer. I think it isn't. And that's because of your nvidia driver
installation. Something went wrong w/ the installation. You can either
 1. Erase the line
  Load    "glx"
  from your Module section,
 2. Try to reinstall your drivers correctly
 3. Install the linux kernel, the linux-restricted-modules and the
nvidia-glx directly from the ubuntu packages. That is my recommended
solution.

hf

Pascal Potvin


2005/12/19, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez <jlalarcon at gawab.com>:
> Hi all.
>
> I got dist-upgrade very well my Breezy Badger to Dapper Drake through
> repositories and apt-get. All works fine in the devel version of Ubuntu
> except one thing:
>
> I use a "vanilla" kernel from http://kernel.org/ and the nvidia driver
> 1.0-8174, taken from the company web... All right with breezy, but when
> i switched to dapper, the driver "stop work", the log says:
>
> Failed to load module "glx" (a required submodule could not be loaded,0)
>
> I tried deinstall and reinstall again the module with the Nvidia
> installer (to probe with the dapper's new version of gcc) but the
> problem persist... :(
>
> Is this a "known issue"?. Anybody has the same problem?. Any solution
> for this error?. Is there any problem with glx libraries in Dapper?...
>
> Thanks you, very much, in advance.
>
> Regards.
>
> Jose.
>
>
> --
> http://www.lordofunix.org/
>
> Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
> Registered BSD User 51101.
> Registered Linux User #213309.
> Memories..... You are talking about memories.
> Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 04:25:55 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:25:55 +0100
Subject: "Hibernation" : incompatible with SCSI controllers ?!
Message-ID: <1135052756.4733.71.camel@localhost>

I am having a strange problem with the "hibernation" featurer in Breezy
(and in Dapper as well). It seems to have problems with my add-on PCI
SCSI controller card (old Adaptec 29xx something, uses the aic7xxx
driver). The card is used only to drive an SCSI Plextor CD writer, and I
only plug the card when want to use the CD writer (ie, not very often).

THe problem is the hibernation works flawlessly when the machine does
not have the SCSI card in it, but when the card is installed, I see the
following problem: going to hibernation goes well or so it seems. Then
when I restart the machine, it reads the data/"pages" back from the swap
partition, but then instead of restoring the machine's previous state,
the screen goes all black, the machine hangs (completely unresponsive)
and the "Caps Lock" light/LED on the keyboard, flashes !

It does it both in Breezy and Dapper. The only slight difference is that
in Breezy, instead of a black screen, it managed to cough a word or two
of text : "Kernel Panic" !! :-/

I can still boot the machine though: if the machine to fails to resume,
I can just reboot it and it will do a normal boot sequence, as if I
hadn't hibernated.
So, once I had rebooted to a working system, I checked
the /var/log/messages, but sadly the kernel paniced before logging was
enabled, so there were no relevant messages to be seen :o(

Has anyone experienced something like this, or might have ideas to fix
this ?


Regards,


--
Vince, aaaaalmost working...




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 04:42:35 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:42:35 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 19:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email.

An out of the box Breezy install will try to generate emails,
but will fail.  There's no obvious indication that the emails
are lost.  In Hoary they would have been delivered.

> Nothing is discarded.

If you had checked before breaking things, you would know that
this is false.  See above.

> If you install anything that generates email, then it is your 
> responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that 
> mail.

Where is this new imposition documented?  Why make a change which
so directly conflicts with the goal that Ubuntu "Just Work" out
of the box?

> If it's considered a vital part of the package functionality, then 
> that will be described in the package dependencies.

So now newbies have to read the "dependencies" (by which you actually
mean "suggestions" and "recommendations") of several hundred
packages in order to determine how to finish their installations?
And the breakage can change arbitrarily and undocumented on each
release?  Unix was easier than this a quarter century ago.

> Postfix remains a 
> supported part of the Ubuntu distribution - the only difference between 
> the situation in Warty and the situation now is that it isn't installed 
> by default.

Which means that important system messages are discarded.  A newbie
should not need to know that they need to install and configure
an MTA in order to know that something needs attention.

Similarly, a sysadmin switching from any respectable Unix or Linux
to Ubuntu would unconciously assume the presence of a working mail
system.

Similarly, anyone who installed a bunch of great Hoary systems
would be somewhat annoyed when he or she lost data to a problem
on a Breezy system because of this dumbdowngrade.

People will lose their creations, their work.  You will lose karma.
Just stop breaking things you don't understand.  OK?

Oh, and before I forget, what else did you break in Breezy that
we haven't even noticed yet?

> However, it's *on the CD*.

Irrelevant.  The installer does not say "After finishing this
install we suggest you add Postfix if you don't want to get
fired for incompetence."

> The decision ...

What decision?  Where is it documented?  Who made it?

> ... not to install an internet daemon by default was taken in 
> order to provide increased security,

A daemon listening on 127.0.0.1 does not decrease security.  What
makes you think it does?

> and also to allow people who actually /need/ an MTA to configure it appropriately rather than ending 
> up with a (mostly useless) default configuration.

Your phrasing again indicates that you don't know what you're
writing about.  Postfix offers a choice of several basic
configurations during debconf and they are suitable for
almost all newbies, almost all desktops, and many servers.

Sure, sysadmins who want to make a secondary MX that's not an
open relay know that they've got a bit of work to do.  That's
no reason to cause hundreds of man years of effort to be lost
when the various default configurations are secure and cover
almost all cases.

> If you disagree with 
> any of the technical decisions, then please bring it up on ubuntu-devel. 
> However, if your only argument is that postfix should be installed by 
> default, then I'm afraid that it's not a situation that's likely to 
> change. If you feel that it's vital for a distribution to come with an 
> MTA as part of the default desktop install, then I'm sorry. Ubuntu isn't 
> for you. It never was.

You are again mistaken.  Ubuntu had MTA in default installations
until someone broke Breezy.  It is very easy to put Postfix and
Mailx back into the seeds for Dapper.  It's on the CD, it won't
take any more CD space, and (apart from maybe a little work on
the help text) Postfix installs well via debconf and provides
the configurations that newbies and most others need.

You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.

--Mike Bird




From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 04:43:39 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:13:39 +0530
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512192043l3eb8de5nb05a0f0f5cd5e0fa@mail.gmail.com>

Do you know what Ubuntu is?

1) it's Linux for human beings.
2) it's what you are because of our community

If you want CUSTOM Power, use Linux from scratch or Build your own GNU OS

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:20:39 +0530
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135015310.8612.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Also turn off the unnecessary start up services/daemons
from rcconf or bum.

(bum will also tell you why are the services running for)

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From senectus at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 05:22:38 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:22:38 +0800
Subject: dumb Q about cdroms
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512192122x22b7850n555b55ba1a121c0b@mail.gmail.com>

Is there some way to eject/umount a cdrom without having to type it
into a terminal or minimise the whole desktop?
I guess I'm looking for an applet or something that will be viewable
at all times?
--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Mon Dec 19 22:29:42 2005
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bryann Melvin)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:29:42 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A73456.4090905@melvinart.com>

ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:34:47 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au>
>Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
>To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <loom.20051220T005755-689 at post.gmane.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>This list is not one, I've already received help here and on the forum.
>
>1. Installation.
>First, it reminded me of Windoze, one thing I don't need.  No input at all. 
>Tried choosing "expert".  Did not look like offering choices.  And no setting of
>the root password.  That really threw me.  When the system did not recognise my
>password, I thought I had messed up (did not remember not setting it) and
>re-installed.  The re-installation worked better in that I was able to get the
>login manager instead of "Out of Range".
>
>2. Security.
>Anyone, and I mean anyone, can boot as root using Recovery Mode.  I took
>advantage of that to set a root password.  Whether that stops anyone else using
>Recovery Mode to gain root access I don't yet know.
>
>3. Grub.
>Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.  Hey, I want to
>be in charge of the Boot Loader!  It does not suit me right now (for obvious
>reasons) to have Ubuntu as the default.  When I set out to change this, I came
>up against various obstacles, more of which in a moment.
>
>4. Screen Resolution.
>I've now got 3 systems on my computer.  The other 2 are quite happy with the
>settings I use and the settings result in them using exactly the same amount of
>the available area - all of it.  Ubuntu wants to use less - with a good third of
>and inch or more left black on all sides.  When I tried to find the tool to
>check and, possibly, change the settings, it was nowhere to be found.
>
>5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
>I wanted Kalarm, so I got Kubuntu 5.10 instead of Ubuntu 5.10.  But I'd like
>gedit and, if possible, Nautilus (Konqueror stinks, methinks).  I paid $A9.90
>for a one disk installation.  I would happily have paid more for a decent
>installation if it was available.  While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a
>tool such as System Settings opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?
> And don't talk to me about "Help".  "This page is not available.  Have you
>installed all the documentation?"
>
>6. One touch and you buy it.
>I was alarmed to discover that selecting anything in a list does not just select
>the item, it opens it.  That is way out of left field and will take some getting
>used to.
>
>7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
>A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, which had decided to
>open as a list in Konqueror.  Everything was greyed out, except, possibly, a
>note telling me to click on the Administrator's button if I wanted to change
>anything.  First, there was nothing to change.  Secondly, there was no
>administrator's button.
>B. So, that meant I had to edit menu.lst (to get a say in Grub).  Of course, the
>file is read-only.  So, I'll go into Midnight Commander, I think, and change the
>settings temporarily so that I can edit with Kate which has already opened the
>file with the one touch and you buy it policy.  I cannot believe (ok, I do
>believe it) there is no Midnight Commander or anything like it.
>C. Next thought, open Kate, possibly from the root console.  Look for Help on
>the subject (see above).  Could try chmod but I'm getting awfully sick of this.
>D. Light goes on.  Login in as Root, open Kate, open file, edit, all's right
>with the world.  Sorry, no can do.  Jeepers Creepers.
>
>  
>
1.  next time you are installing and get "out of range"....<ctrl> <alt> 
<keypad +or->  This is your monitor telling you the video signal is 
unacceptable.   The action I state is pretty much standard and will run 
through the xserver possible settings.

2. as someone else has respondeed pretty much ....so.... preventing root 
access from local is not physically possible. no matter what precautions 
were taken someone could still get root access via floppy or cd. ...Why 
some commercial client computers have NO DISKS and boot off the network 
only.

3. use an alternate boot manager...like the old OS/2 one!!
(or edit the appropriate file)  Or just scroll to the right one...  Why 
is this such a big deal...every OS pretty much does the same 
thing....with the exception of eCS...which coincidently I'm writing this 
on :-)

4. I just checked ...good old xvidtune is STILL present in ubuntu. There 
may be a fancier GUI version...but I can't say what's in the original as 
I've added a lot to my ubuntu system.   Type xvidtune in a root terminal 
or in a terminal AS root  (sudo). Get the screen where you want 
it...write down the settings   you'll have to edit the config file  
manually.

Aside ...theres been alot of talk about features of ubuntu lately...Bear 
in mind I think that ubuntu is aimed at the average computer user who 
needs or would like to try an Open source system....Not the power user 
with three Operating systems .. Anyway if we're such power users we need 
three Operating systems...maybe we should LEARN all of them well...just 
a thought.

5. Well you got what you asked for...KDE eg Kubuntu  
fwiw these distros are single  disk. I HAVE a distro here with KDE GNOME 
XCFE WindowMaker Enlightenment and on and on.

It also came with 8cds and a DVD.

6.  One click =linux 2 clicks=windows...generally...what ARE you're 
other two operating systems ?

7. Harder...sorry I don't see it. I have the Kubuntu desktop on top of 
Ubuntu here...haven't run into that problem...Might look and see if you 
have administrator rights for the login you are using....eg is the user 
you are logged in as in the "admin"group.
while you're at it you would need to be in the sudo group as well.

8.  I know you didn't have an 8..

You seems to have a lot of trouble assimilating the way ubuntu handles 
root priveleges.
It is designed to use SUDO for most things. (sudo gtksudo and so on)

I just checked:  sudo kate    opened up kate as root and I opened 
/etc/fstab and added an nfs import.  You should be able to edit 
configuration files the same way.

Looking through stuff you'll also find you can have a root terminal. You 
can put it as an icon on the panel .

FWIW please READ the manpages and warnings before using xvidtune.

Take a GOOD look at the unofficial guide AND the Starter Guide.



You do have some valid points though I have noted some docs missing.

Some are downloadable ...others are just not there....One i HAVE found 
is the docs for XCDROAST  (I know it's old but I like it)  If anyone 
else is looking look for it it's  a pdf...not the html the help browser 
tries to find. I would suspect format may be a problem with other docs.  
It might be worth looking in the share  directories like 
/usr/share/docs  and the like before giving up on docs.


Anyway the POINT of using linux is to be able to tailor the installation 
to fit your needs. If it doesn't fit change it. Most software is 
available from the ubuntu repositories.   Other software can be 
installed (tar.gz like firefox) but is best reconfigured to install as a 
deb. Some   like OpenOffice.org comes in rpms and needs to be 
repackaged.  Software to fit most needs IS available in repositories 
from or specifically aimed at ubuntu (scribus comes to mind here)Unlike 
distros such as SuSE (dvd) to have a one disk install a LOT of 
potentially useful software is left out ...but just an apt_get or 
synaptic run away.

As far as paying for the disc?
Ubuntu will send you Ubuntu cds.   free...  The Don't yet send Kubuntu 
cds...but again  apt_get kubuntu-desktop worked well here.


Bryann





From trudheim at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 05:44:23 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:44:23 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On 12/20/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
[snipping tons of bile]

Right! If you are soooooo desperate for an MTA to be installed, and to
only handle the desperately important output from some cron task, then
get this:

You should be demanding Exim to be installed, NOT Postfix.

Sorry, but I am with the developers on this. An MTA need not be
installed by default as that is more of a server capability, so a user
installing a desktop would use ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu to get desktop
capabilities.
A sysadm requiring an MTA should be installing the server install
(separate ISO as of Breezy) and he can have his MTA straight of the
bat.

Mike, you won't win this one. If you made a mistake, picking the wrong
install image, live with it and learn from the experience. For a
desktop, an MTA is not required.

Give it a rest now eh?

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 05:40:35 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:40:35 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43A73456.4090905@melvinart.com>
Message-ID: <earobinson.20br1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


so run gnome


-- 
earobinson



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 06:05:26 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:05:26 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 21:44, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Sorry, but I am with the developers on this. An MTA need not be
> installed by default as that is more of a server capability, so a user
> installing a desktop would use ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu to get desktop
> capabilities.
> A sysadm requiring an MTA should be installing the server install
> (separate ISO as of Breezy) and he can have his MTA straight of the
> bat.
> 
> Mike, you won't win this one. If you made a mistake, picking the wrong
> install image, live with it and learn from the experience. For a
> desktop, an MTA is not required.

We have shown numerous reasons why installing an MTA on all Ubuntu
systems is the right thing to do.  We have shown that it is more
in accord with the Ubuntu goal of "Just Works" then the alternative
of not providing an MTA out of the box.  The Unix tradition (which
is in effect the accumulated wisdom of millions of man-years of
development) says that a mail system should be installed.

And your reasoned and carefully explicated counter-argument is:
"An MTA is not required on the desktop."  "It's more of a server
capability."

Forgive us if we stick with logic over "Mommy knows best", kept
promises (Ubuntu goals) over broken promises, and evidence
over ignorance.

How many alerts has your Ubuntu sent you that you will never
know about?

--Mike Bird




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 06:10:22 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:10:22 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
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	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135059022.26309.506.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 06:44 +0100, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> On 12/20/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> [snipping tons of bile]
> 
> Right! If you are soooooo desperate for an MTA to be installed, and to
> only handle the desperately important output from some cron task, then
> get this:
> 
> You should be demanding Exim to be installed, NOT Postfix.
> 
> Sorry, but I am with the developers on this. An MTA need not be
> installed by default as that is more of a server capability, so a user
> installing a desktop would use ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu to get desktop
> capabilities.
> A sysadm requiring an MTA should be installing the server install
> (separate ISO as of Breezy) and he can have his MTA straight of the
> bat.
> 
> Mike, you won't win this one. If you made a mistake, picking the wrong
> install image, live with it and learn from the experience. For a
> desktop, an MTA is not required.
> 
> Give it a rest now eh?
> 

Please!!!!!!

Everybody...


Let it DIE...

Vram



> --
> Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>




From tim.timmerman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 06:09:06 2005
From: tim.timmerman at gmail.com (Tim T.)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:09:06 +0100
Subject: Psion-revo sync
In-Reply-To: <5e7569270512191116w5ff67b70s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7569270512191116w5ff67b70s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2feab1730512192209m3231389ah49ace2cfd7ffa075@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Clive Woodfine <clivewoodfine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to use the revo with ubuntu to
> synchronise the calander etc.?


Look for something called  plptools; no idea of the state of the project, I
sold
my psion5 about a year ago (and still regret that..)

It is in ubuntu, and http://plptools.sourceforge.net/  is their home
location.

TimT.

--
> Clive W
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From m_epling at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 06:14:53 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:14:53 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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   yes i agree   there are more important things in heaven and earth 
than this

Vram wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 06:44 +0100, Anders Karlsson wrote:
>  
>
>>On 12/20/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
>>[snipping tons of bile]
>>
>>Right! If you are soooooo desperate for an MTA to be installed, and to
>>only handle the desperately important output from some cron task, then
>>get this:
>>
>>You should be demanding Exim to be installed, NOT Postfix.
>>
>>Sorry, but I am with the developers on this. An MTA need not be
>>installed by default as that is more of a server capability, so a user
>>installing a desktop would use ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu to get desktop
>>capabilities.
>>A sysadm requiring an MTA should be installing the server install
>>(separate ISO as of Breezy) and he can have his MTA straight of the
>>bat.
>>
>>Mike, you won't win this one. If you made a mistake, picking the wrong
>>install image, live with it and learn from the experience. For a
>>desktop, an MTA is not required.
>>
>>Give it a rest now eh?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Please!!!!!!
>
>Everybody...
>
>
>Let it DIE...
>
>Vram
>
>
>
>  
>
>>--
>>Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 06:00:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:00:59 -0500
Subject: dumb Q about cdroms
References: <d12e5c90512192122x22b7850n555b55ba1a121c0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Sutekh.20brza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ooo, can I post to the mailing list?  Well here goes; there's a Wiki
entry for making a Eject CD launcher, you can put it in a panel.  Just
click and it unmounts then ejects the CD.  I love this thing.



https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EjectCDLauncher


-- 
Sutekh



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 06:19:32 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:19:32 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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> > Give it a rest now eh?

> Please!!!!!!
> 
> Everybody...
> 
> Let it DIE...


MAybe the list moderators can help us with this, and get the list server
to filter this thread out or something ?

In the mean time, I will just keep pressing the "delete" key, it's a
very powerful yet easy to use tool ;-)


--
Vince




From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Tue Dec 20 06:17:06 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:17:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)(Thanks for
	replies)
References: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43A73456.4090905@melvinart.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20051220T071057-53@post.gmane.org>

Bryann Melvin <brymelvin <at> melvinart.com> writes:
...
Thanks for your comments and those of Jan Moren.  I intend to persevere but, the
way things are set up, getting the system to a ready state will take time and
lots of it.  I'm no power user - just trying things out.  My other Linux system,
so far, makes Ubuntu look very shabby.  I would have preferred more tools rather
than OOo on the disk because, if I continue, I'll probably get the official
version of OOo rather than use the Ubuntu version.




From senectus at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 06:42:37 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:42:37 +0800
Subject: dumb Q about cdroms
In-Reply-To: <Sutekh.20brza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d12e5c90512192122x22b7850n555b55ba1a121c0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<Sutekh.20brza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On 12/20/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Ooo, can I post to the mailing list?  Well here goes; there's a Wiki
> entry for making a Eject CD launcher, you can put it in a panel.  Just
> click and it unmounts then ejects the CD.  I love this thing.
>
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EjectCDLauncher
>
Cool thanks for that..
Maybe the devs could make this a default? It would fit right in with
the "dumbing down of Ubuntu"

*ducks*
;-)

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec 20 06:54:11 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:54:11 +1300
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu (was [ubuntu-users] Re:
	Ubuntu is under attack)
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Message-ID: <1135061651.6257.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>

** Cross-=posted to ubuntu-devel as well as ubuntu-users.

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 20:42 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 19:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email.
> 
> An out of the box Breezy install will try to generate emails,
> but will fail.  There's no obvious indication that the emails
> are lost.  In Hoary they would have been delivered.
> 

As a specific example, cron uses /usr/bin/sendmail to send email, when a
cron job writes to stderr or stdout (if the script does not redirect
stdout/stderr to files).

As the run-parts script does not redirect stdout/stderr, I found a
message in my mailbox today, after adding mailx/postfix, because one of
the steps in cron.daily detected an error.

Now, I admit that most new users would not understand what is meant by
the error 
        /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
        mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a dangling
        symlink
        
but the fact that the message was written to my mailbox after I
installed postfix *proves* that a standard breezy install *does*
generate (or at least *try to* generate) email messages.

Is Matthew saying:
1:  That cron should depend on mail-transport-agent (since it explicitly
tries to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail)

OR 

2: That cron should NOT be installed in ubuntu/kubuntu


Given that a large number of packages depend on the presence of cron, I
caan't see option 2 being acceptable.  Given that, and the fact that
cron expects to find an executable called /usr/sbin/sendmail, it follows
that an MTA (a package providing mail-transport-agent), and a MUA (so
that the admin user can read local mail), MUST remain in the default
install for ubuntu/kubuntu.

Can we feed back to debian that cron should include mail-transport-agent
in the Depends section (the breezy version states "Recommends: postfix |
mail-transport-agent")



> > Nothing is discarded.
> 
> If you had checked before breaking things, you would know that
> this is false.  See above.

cron output is discarded.  See above.
> 
> > If you install anything that generates email, then it is your 
> > responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that 
> > mail.
> 
> Where is this new imposition documented?  Why make a change which
> so directly conflicts with the goal that Ubuntu "Just Work" out
> of the box?
> 
> > If it's considered a vital part of the package functionality, then 
> > that will be described in the package dependencies.
This seems to suggest that cron is broken because it doesn't DEPEND on 
 postfix | mail-transport-agent

> So now newbies have to read the "dependencies" (by which you actually
> mean "suggestions" and "recommendations") of several hundred
> packages in order to determine how to finish their installations?
> And the breakage can change arbitrarily and undocumented on each
> release?  Unix was easier than this a quarter century ago.
> 
> > Postfix remains a 
> > supported part of the Ubuntu distribution - the only difference between 
> > the situation in Warty and the situation now is that it isn't installed 
> > by default.
> 
> Which means that important system messages are discarded.  A newbie
> should not need to know that they need to install and configure
> an MTA in order to know that something needs attention.
> 
> Similarly, a sysadmin switching from any respectable Unix or Linux
> to Ubuntu would unconciously assume the presence of a working mail
> system.
> 
> Similarly, anyone who installed a bunch of great Hoary systems
> would be somewhat annoyed when he or she lost data to a problem
> on a Breezy system because of this dumbdowngrade.
> 
> People will lose their creations, their work.  You will lose karma.
> Just stop breaking things you don't understand.  OK?
> 
> Oh, and before I forget, what else did you break in Breezy that
> we haven't even noticed yet?
> 
> > However, it's *on the CD*.
> 
> Irrelevant.  The installer does not say "After finishing this
> install we suggest you add Postfix if you don't want to get
> fired for incompetence."
> 
> > The decision ...
> 
> What decision?  Where is it documented?  Who made it?
> 
> > ... not to install an internet daemon by default was taken in 
> > order to provide increased security,
> 
> A daemon listening on 127.0.0.1 does not decrease security.  What
> makes you think it does?

If ubuntu maintainers/developers are that concerned, they should
configure postfix to default to a local-only mode.
> 
> > and also to allow people who actually /need/ an MTA to configure it appropriately rather than ending 
> > up with a (mostly useless) default configuration.
> 
> Your phrasing again indicates that you don't know what you're
> writing about.  Postfix offers a choice of several basic
> configurations during debconf and they are suitable for
> almost all newbies, almost all desktops, and many servers.
> 
> Sure, sysadmins who want to make a secondary MX that's not an
> open relay know that they've got a bit of work to do.  That's
> no reason to cause hundreds of man years of effort to be lost
> when the various default configurations are secure and cover
> almost all cases.
> 
> > If you disagree with 
> > any of the technical decisions, then please bring it up on ubuntu-devel. 
> > However, if your only argument is that postfix should be installed by 
> > default, then I'm afraid that it's not a situation that's likely to 
> > change. If you feel that it's vital for a distribution to come with an 
> > MTA as part of the default desktop install, then I'm sorry. Ubuntu isn't 
> > for you. It never was.
> 
> You are again mistaken.  Ubuntu had MTA in default installations
> until someone broke Breezy.  It is very easy to put Postfix and
> Mailx back into the seeds for Dapper.  It's on the CD, it won't
> take any more CD space, and (apart from maybe a little work on
> the help text) Postfix installs well via debconf and provides
> the configurations that newbies and most others need.
> 
> You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.


I agree.   


To recap:
An MTA (with a default local-only mode) is required by any distribution
that includes a cron daemon, because cron uses the /usr/bin/sendmail
program (not /bin/mail and friends) to email any text that it captures
from stdout/stderr when running a cron job.
> 
> --Mike Bird
> 
> 




From custom at freenet.de  Tue Dec 20 07:04:50 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:04:50 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1267993287.20051220140450@freenet.de>


Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 11:42:35 AM, you wrote:

>> If you install anything that generates email, then it is your
>> responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that
>> mail.

MB> Where is this new imposition documented?  Why make a change which
MB> so directly conflicts with the goal that Ubuntu "Just Work" out
MB> of the box?

I can't help but sort of agree that things changed for the worse in
Breezy..   Desktop users want to send email right.. Excellent email
software is installed by default, right..  However it is no longer
possible to send email, and the user is not alerted of this.

It just didn't work for me either and gave up trying to use email.
(Well I thought some day I'd get around to figure out how to install
SMTP but so far I haven't had the time. For sure it would involve
doing config file stuff and as a desktop user I just don't want to
bother with that.

Cheers,
Chanchao





From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 20 07:07:49 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:07:49 +0900
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu (was [ubuntu-users]
	Re:	Ubuntu is under attack)
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tis 2005-12-20 klockan 19:54 +1300 skrev Tim Frost:
> ** Cross-=posted to ubuntu-devel as well as ubuntu-users.
> 
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 20:42 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 19:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email.
> > 
> > An out of the box Breezy install will try to generate emails,
> > but will fail.  There's no obvious indication that the emails
> > are lost.  In Hoary they would have been delivered.
> > 
> 
> As a specific example, cron uses /usr/bin/sendmail to send email, when a
> cron job writes to stderr or stdout (if the script does not redirect
> stdout/stderr to files).
> 
> As the run-parts script does not redirect stdout/stderr, I found a
> message in my mailbox today, after adding mailx/postfix, because one of
> the steps in cron.daily detected an error.
> 
> Now, I admit that most new users would not understand what is meant by
> the error 
>         /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
>         mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a dangling
>         symlink
>         
> but the fact that the message was written to my mailbox after I
> installed postfix *proves* that a standard breezy install *does*
> generate (or at least *try to* generate) email messages.
> 
> Is Matthew saying:
> 1:  That cron should depend on mail-transport-agent (since it explicitly
> tries to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail)
> 
> OR 
> 
> 2: That cron should NOT be installed in ubuntu/kubuntu

Or 3: cron should be using the log facility to write any messages. That
way it behaves just like most other periodic functions in the system,
and you don't need an MTA just for cron anymore.





-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 07:15:15 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:15:15 +0100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
Message-ID: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>


Hi Vram,

Sorry to post this on the list, but no choice !

I did get your private e-mail 5 minutes ago, to which I replied, but it
came back undelivered, I pasted the error report below.
Apparently, if I understand well, your mail server rejected my mail,
saying it was SPAM !!! I am hard pressed to figure out what the hell in
my mail could be even remotely considered as spam, go figure.

To answer you though: no, I really don't understand either, if you hate
it that much, there surely must be something else that you hate less, so
use the latter, if just to give the former a break ! ;-)


--
Vince, spammer...


********************
. This is the qmail-send program at kleinrock.numericable.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<lamsokvr at xprt.net>:
Connected to 209.102.124.23 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 550 Spam rejected - see
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?80.236.3.101

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>
Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 07:00:33 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO [85.69.101.91]) ([85.69.101.91])
          (envelope-sender <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>)
          by kleinrock.numericable.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
          for <lamsokvr at xprt.net>; 20 Dec 2005 07:00:33 -0000
Subject: Re: Can't understand
From: Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>
To: Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>
In-Reply-To: <1135060444.26309.510.camel at localhost.localdomain>
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 07:11:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:11:16 -0500
Subject: Can't get USB memory stick to work
References: <1981869225.20051220103802@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <jpkotta.20bura@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The reason it defaults to root permissions is because the OS doesn't
know who is the owner of the device.  This is a major difference
between WinXP and Linux (or Unix in general).  In XP, you can have many
users logged in to the system, but as far as I know, only one user
actually using it at a time.  In Unix, you can have many users logged
in -and- simultaneously using the system.  So in Windows, the OS knows
it's your device because you're the one with control of the machine,
but Linux can't assume that.  I seems to me like the harder thing to do
is allow multiple simultaneous users, and it should be possible to have
the best of both worlds if Linux had a good mechanism for detecting
hardware like USB drives.  I can't tell you how many times I've wanted
to log into a Windows machine along side someone else.



I'm not sure how to set this up the Ubuntu way, but I know enough to do
it the disto-agnostic way.  First figure out what the device name is.  
Code:
--------------------
    tail -s 3 -f /var/log/messages
--------------------
 Plug the drive in and you should see a bunch of stuff with /dev/sdb or
similar.  Mine says > Dec 20 00:56:14 localhost kernel: [5630424.253000] usb 4-2: new full
> speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2

> Dec 20 00:56:15 localhost kernel: [5630425.507000] Initializing USB
> Mass Storage driver...

> Dec 20 00:56:16 localhost kernel: [5630425.514000] scsi2 : SCSI
> emulation for USB Mass Storage devices

> Dec 20 00:56:16 localhost kernel: [5630425.527000] usbcore: registered
> new driver usb-storage

> Dec 20 00:56:16 localhost kernel: [5630425.527000] USB Mass Storage
> support registered.

> Dec 20 00:56:16 localhost usb.agent[14386]:      usb-storage: loaded
> successfully

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.530000]   Vendor: 256MB    
> Model: HardDrive         Rev: 1.88

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.530000]   Type:  
> Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.969000] SCSI device sdb:
> 512000 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB)

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.972000] sdb: Write Protect
> is off

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.985000] SCSI device sdb:
> 512000 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB)

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.988000] sdb: Write Protect
> is off

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.988000] 
> /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost kernel: [5630430.995000] Attached scsi
> removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0

> Dec 20 00:56:21 localhost scsi.agent[14454]:      sd_mod: loaded
> sucessfully (for disk)



Now edit /etc/fstab so that it mounts as you.  Add the line > /dev/sdb1       /media/removable  vfat   
> rw,user,noauto,dmask=077,fmask=177  0       0

>   More info is in the mount man page 
Code:
--------------------
    man mount
--------------------
 To mount the drive, 
Code:
--------------------
    mount /media/removable
--------------------
  To unmount 
Code:
--------------------
    umount /media/removable
--------------------
  You could put a script on your desktop or a menu entry to do the
mount/unmount with the mouse.



There's probably an easier, Ubuntu way to do this, but I don't know it.


-- 
jpkotta



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec 20 07:22:49 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:22:49 +1300
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1267993287.20051220140450@freenet.de>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1267993287.20051220140450@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <1135063370.6257.91.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 14:04 +0700, Chanchao wrote:
> Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 11:42:35 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >> If you install anything that generates email, then it is your
> >> responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that
> >> mail.
> 
> MB> Where is this new imposition documented?  Why make a change which
> MB> so directly conflicts with the goal that Ubuntu "Just Work" out
> MB> of the box?
> 
> I can't help but sort of agree that things changed for the worse in
> Breezy..   Desktop users want to send email right.. Excellent email
> software is installed by default, right..  However it is no longer
> possible to send email, and the user is not alerted of this.
> 
that is not quite true.

I use evolution as my mail client, and have that configured to use pop-3
and SMTP to my ISP.

On my old PC, running Red Hat, I used fetchmail (manually!) to retrieve
messages from my ISP, and configured sendmail to use the ISP mail server
as smart host.

Today, using evolution, incoming mail is retrieved from the ISP POP-3
server, then filtered to the correct folder automatically.

And this message will be (have been, by the time you read it) sent
direct to the ISP mail server, using SMTP.

And evolution can also read the messages that cron (using postfix
configured for local-only mode) sends to me to remind me to fix the
dangling symlink that something created.

> It just didn't work for me either and gave up trying to use email.
> (Well I thought some day I'd get around to figure out how to install
> SMTP but so far I haven't had the time. For sure it would involve
> doing config file stuff and as a desktop user I just don't want to
> bother with that.


> 
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
> 

Tim




From james at grayonline.id.au  Tue Dec 20 06:13:22 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:13:22 +1100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Tuesday 20 December 2005 11:34, Terry North wrote:

Hi Terry,

You sound like this isn't your first exposure to Linux so I'll answer based on 
that assumption.  Feel free to ask for elaboration if I'm wrong or not 
clear :)

> 3. Grub.
> Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.

This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.  At one 
time I was running 4 different Linux distros on the one machine and each one 
added itself to the top of the boot order as I installed them.  You don't 
like it - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (read on - there are other options).

> 4. Screen Resolution.
> I've now got 3 systems on my computer.  The other 2 are quite happy with
> the settings I use and the settings result in them using exactly the same
> amount of the available area - all of it.  Ubuntu wants to use less - with
> a good third of and inch or more left black on all sides.  When I tried to
> find the tool to check and, possibly, change the settings, it was nowhere
> to be found.

Is this on the console or in X?  If it's in X you may need to double check the 
monitor sync ranges and/or add a mode line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  FWIW, I 
had to tweak my xorg.conf by hand to get my dual-head nVidia card running 
nicely with the dual 19" LCD's I use.  Same goes for the other OS (from a 
company in Redmond, WA).  Auto-detection for video settings in my experience 
is a little hit-and-miss.  Some monitor+video+OS combinations work well, 
change any of those components and the auto-detect results can be wildly 
different.

> 5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
> I wanted Kalarm, so I got Kubuntu 5.10 instead of Ubuntu 5.10.  But I'd
> like gedit and, if possible, Nautilus (Konqueror stinks, methinks).  I paid
> $A9.90 for a one disk installation.  I would happily have paid more for a
> decent installation if it was available.

Exactly how much space do think is available on one CD? :P  If you were making 
a customised CD image for yourself, then sure, you'd probably fit all YOUR 
preferred apps on there...but when bundling a generic set of utils/apps for a 
broader audience, there has to be omissions.  Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and 
un-comment the lines for network installation (base, security, universe, 
multiverse etc).  Then "sudo apt-get update" and install whatever you want.  
All this can be done from Kynaptic I believe...not sure, I use CLI for all my 
packages.

> While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a tool such as System Settings
> opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?

ALT+F2, type "kcontrol", hit "Run".  This should be in the K-menu under 
Preferences -> Control Center too.

> And don't talk to me about "Help".  "This page is not available.  Have you
> installed all the documentation?" 

The sum of all the documentation for KDE would fill an entire CD.  Got another 
$A9.90?? :P  Seriously though, I feel your pain.  I do a fair bit of Qt and 
KDE hacking and despite apt-cache search-ing until I'm blue, there are still 
some significant gaps that the KDE documentation system is yet have filled.

> 6. One touch and you buy it.
> I was alarmed to discover that selecting anything in a list does not just
> select the item, it opens it.  That is way out of left field and will take
> some getting used to.

Single-click execution is the default behaviour in KDE and has been as long as 
I can remember.  If you don't like it, you can revert to "double-click to 
execute, single-click to select" type behaviour:
1. Open "kcontrol" (see above)
2. Expand the "Peripherals" branch and select "Mouse".
3. Select the "General" tab and voila!  Edit to your preferred behaviour :)

> 7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
> A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, which had
> decided to open as a list in Konqueror.  Everything was greyed out, except,
> possibly, a note telling me to click on the Administrator's button if I
> wanted to change anything.  First, there was nothing to change.  Secondly,
> there was no administrator's button.

Try opening it in kcontrol instead.

> B. So, that meant I had to edit menu.lst (to get a say in Grub).  Of
> course, the file is read-only.  So, I'll go into Midnight Commander, I
> think, and change the settings temporarily so that I can edit with Kate
> which has already opened the file with the one touch and you buy it policy.
>  I cannot believe (ok, I do believe it) there is no Midnight Commander or
> anything like it.

Non-root users can never lower the permissions of a root-write-only file.  
It's basic file system security.  You can simply "sudo <CLI-editor-of-choice> 
<file>" to edit a root-owned and protected file.

> C. Next thought, open Kate, possibly from the root console.  Look for Help
> on the subject (see above).  Could try chmod but I'm getting awfully sick
> of this.

You're approaching it the wrong way :)  Rather than lowering the permissions 
of the file so you can edit it as a normal user, elevate yourself to a higher 
privilege level THEN edit the file.  The tool is called "sudo" and when it 
prompts for a password it is your USER password.

> D. Light goes on.  Login in as Root, open Kate, open file, edit, 
> all's right with the world.  Sorry, no can do.  Jeepers Creepers.

Correct - root doesn't own the KDE instance so root can't get access to the X 
server.  This is normal.  If you want to run a GUI app with root privs in KDE 
the correct approach is "kdesu <GUI-app>" from ALT+F2 or the command line.  
When you get the password prompt, enter YOUR password - this is effectively a 
GUI version of sudo.  However, if you've broken the basic "sudo for 
everything" model of Unbuntu by setting a root password, then you may need to 
experiment using your password then root's password until you get success.  
I'm not really sure - I like the sudo methodology for a desktop system so 
left it alone.

BTW - unless you mirror your user-login KDE settings[1] in root's home dir, 
any application opened with "kdesu" will have default KDE look-and-feel.  So 
if the program running with kdesu looks a little different, you know why :)

James
-- 
If pregnancy were a book they would cut the last two chapters.
		-- Nora Ephron, "Heartburn"



From james at grayonline.id.au  Tue Dec 20 06:25:11 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:25:11 +1100
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <a113efc30512191239y3af4d48fh8a1d055ffbca8a37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<c7e21f4d0512190725u9244471xb301557e6b40fb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<a113efc30512191239y3af4d48fh8a1d055ffbca8a37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512201725.12837.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:39, Jason Smith wrote:
> After I have installed Ubuntu 5.10 I din't manage to write not even one
> DVD, because DMA was not enabled. Not to mention
> the high CPU usage when I was accessing my optical drive.
>
> Luckily Nero warned me about the DMA misconfiguration, I corected the
> problem
> and now everything works fine. I think DMA should be enabled by default.

All well-and-good, but what if the Ubuntu installer loads the ide-generic 
driver before your chipset-specific IDE driver resulting in a situation that 
setting DMA on any drive causes a kernel panic?  Not Ubuntu's fault mind you 
- it was a known gotcha with early Asus K8VSE motherboard BIOS'es..

So enable DMA by default and possibly panic the kernel if the BIOS is a little 
screwy, or play safe?  Personally, I'd rather have a machine that boots (even 
at sub-optimal speed) so I can fix the problem over a system that panics 
before it even reaches run level 1. :)  It's not just old hardware that can e 
flakey with DMA enabled by deafult - unfortunately.

Cheers,

James
-- 
If we won't stand together, we don't stand a chance.



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec 20 07:27:27 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:27:27 +1300
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu (was [ubuntu-users]
	Re:	Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <1135062469.30979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135061651.6257.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135062469.30979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135063647.6257.96.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:07 +0900, Jan Moren wrote:
> tis 2005-12-20 klockan 19:54 +1300 skrev Tim Frost:
> > 
> > Is Matthew saying:
> > 1:  That cron should depend on mail-transport-agent (since it explicitly
> > tries to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail)
> > 
> > OR 
> > 
> > 2: That cron should NOT be installed in ubuntu/kubuntu
> 
> Or 3: cron should be using the log facility to write any messages. That
> way it behaves just like most other periodic functions in the system,
> and you don't need an MTA just for cron anymore.
> 
Cron does have a log file, which shows the start and end time for each
task that it runs.

However, no version of cron that I have worked with will send
stdout/stderr anywhere other than a mail message.

Is this a feature request that we should be feeding to the authors of
anacron?




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 07:30:47 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:30:47 -0800
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1135062469.30979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
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	<1135061651.6257.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135062469.30979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135063846.6778.347.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:07, Jan Moren wrote:
> Or 3: cron should be using the log facility to write any messages. That
> way it behaves just like most other periodic functions in the system,
> and you don't need an MTA just for cron anymore.

Log files are for figuring out what happened, not for alerts.  Do
you read your log files every night to see if something important
happened?

Tim has established that cron is an important source of emails in
a virgin Ubuntu desktop.  Tim never claimed that it was the only
source of important emails in a virgin Ubuntu desktop.  There are
other valuable emails which the Breezy dumbdowngrade now loses.

For example, Ubuntu is better than many distros in that Ubuntu
automatically runs "mdadm -F".  However, as of Breezy, the
resulting email alerts are lost to most users.

--Mike Bird




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 07:37:52 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:37:52 -0800
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135064272.26309.517.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 08:15 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Hi Vram,
> 
> Sorry to post this on the list, but no choice !
> 
> I did get your private e-mail 5 minutes ago, to which I replied, but it
> came back undelivered, I pasted the error report below.
> Apparently, if I understand well, your mail server rejected my mail,
> saying it was SPAM !!! I am hard pressed to figure out what the hell in
> my mail could be even remotely considered as spam, go figure.
> 


Really????
I need to check into that...

It shouldn't have happen..

Sorry..

We are on the SAME side...



Vram

NO ...   I think you miss understood my message...

I am on your side..

I love Ubuntu...


It isn't perfect..

but, the world is NOT perfect...





> To answer you though: no, I really don't understand either, if you hate
> it that much, there surely must be something else that you hate less, so
> use the latter, if just to give the former a break ! ;-)
> 
> 
> --
> Vince, spammer...
> 
> 
> ********************
> . This is the qmail-send program at kleinrock.numericable.net.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
> addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> 
> <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:
> Connected to 209.102.124.23 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 Spam rejected - see
> http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?80.236.3.101
> 
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
> 
> Return-Path: <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>
> Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 07:00:33 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO [85.69.101.91]) ([85.69.101.91])
>           (envelope-sender <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>)
>           by kleinrock.numericable.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
>           for <lamsokvr at xprt.net>; 20 Dec 2005 07:00:33 -0000
> Subject: Re: Can't understand
> From: Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr>
> To: Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>
> In-Reply-To: <1135060444.26309.510.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> References: <1135060444.26309.510.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:01:02 +0100
> Message-Id: <1135062062.23163.33.camel at localhost>
> 
> 




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 07:40:07 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:40:07 -0800
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Vince

It was rejected at the ISP...

Not me..


Vram



On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 08:15 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Hi Vram,
> 
> Sorry to post this on the list, but no choice !
> 
> I did get your private e-mail 5 minutes ago, to which I replied, but it
> came back undelivered, I pasted the error report below.
> Apparently, if I understand well, your mail server rejected my mail,
> saying it was SPAM !!! I am hard pressed to figure out what the hell in
> my mail could be even remotely considered as spam, go figure.
> 
> To answer you though: no, I really don't understand either, if you hate
> it that much, there surely must be something else that you hate less, so
> use the latter, if just to give the former a break ! ;-)
> 
> 
> --
> Vince, spammer...
> 
> 
> ********************
> . This is the qmail-send program at kleinrock.numericable.net.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
> addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> 
> <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:
> Connected to 209.102.124.23 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 Spam rejected - see
> http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?80.236.3.101
> 
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
> 
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From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 20 07:39:07 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:39:07 +0900
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu (was [ubuntu-users]	Re:
	Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <1135063647.6257.96.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135061651.6257.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135062469.30979.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135063647.6257.96.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135064347.30979.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

tis 2005-12-20 klockan 20:27 +1300 skrev Tim Frost:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:07 +0900, Jan Moren wrote:
> > tis 2005-12-20 klockan 19:54 +1300 skrev Tim Frost:
> > > 
> > > Is Matthew saying:
> > > 1:  That cron should depend on mail-transport-agent (since it explicitly
> > > tries to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail)
> > > 
> > > OR 
> > > 
> > > 2: That cron should NOT be installed in ubuntu/kubuntu
> > 
> > Or 3: cron should be using the log facility to write any messages. That
> > way it behaves just like most other periodic functions in the system,
> > and you don't need an MTA just for cron anymore.
> > 
> Cron does have a log file, which shows the start and end time for each
> task that it runs.
> 
> However, no version of cron that I have worked with will send
> stdout/stderr anywhere other than a mail message.
> 
> Is this a feature request that we should be feeding to the authors of
> anacron?

Well, for what it's worth, I have never understood why a few
applications - cron chief among them - are not using the same
information paths as every single other system app. Not even an MTA
mails you if there is a problem - it just notes it in the logfile.

If you think there's a possibility of this actually being changed I say
go for it.

-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 07:39:46 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:39:46 -0800
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:15, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Apparently, if I understand well, your mail server rejected my mail,
> saying it was SPAM !!! I am hard pressed to figure out what the hell in
> my mail could be even remotely considered as spam, go figure.
(snip)
> Connected to 209.102.124.23 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 Spam rejected - see
> http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?80.236.3.101

Vince,

It is not saying that your message was spam.  It's saying that
your ISP's mail server has been spamming.

The SpamCop link will lead you to the information.  SenderBase
generally has the most detailed information.  Your ISP's mail
server is blocked for spamming.  Spam from there has increased
65% in the last 30 days.

Strange that Ubuntu's list server doesn't use SpamCop too.

--Mike Bird




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 07:41:54 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:41:54 +0100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064272.26309.517.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064272.26309.517.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135064514.23163.51.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:37 -0800, Vram wrote:
> NO ...   I think you miss understood my message...
> I am on your side..
> I love Ubuntu...
> It isn't perfect..
> but, the world is NOT perfect...

I think YOU misunderstood my mail ;-)

When I said " if *you* hate it that much..", obviously "you" refers to
this other chap, NOT *you*, of course ;-)
I am hardly fluent in English, but I thought the wording was
unambiguous, in this context at least ?! Sorry for the confusion I
caused then, wasn't intended...


--
Vince




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 07:44:03 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:44:03 +0100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:40 -0800, Vram wrote:
> Vince
> It was rejected at the ISP...
> Not me..


Yes that's what I said: "your mail server", obviously equals to "you
ISP" ;-)

I think we have problems communicating this morning Vram, did you have
enough sleep !? ;-P


--
Vince, cheeky monkey
> 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 07:49:11 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:49:11 +0100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135064952.23163.60.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:39 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> Vince,
> 
> It is not saying that your message was spam.  It's saying that
> your ISP's mail server has been spamming.
> 
> The SpamCop link will lead you to the information.  SenderBase
> generally has the most detailed information.  Your ISP's mail
> server is blocked for spamming.  Spam from there has increased
> 65% in the last 30 days.

Hu ? My ISP as a whole is considered as spam ?! Jeez that's scary ! :-O
how can such a disaster happen, it's the leading ISP in France, don't
they take precautions ?! :-/ Bloody ISP's, they all suck, no matter how
much you pay them, you never get the expected service back, pfff...


> Strange that Ubuntu's list server doesn't use SpamCop too.

Strange, but glad, I would be in trouble if I hadn't this list to solve
my Ubuntu problems ! ;-)



--
Vince, going to phone his ISP to complain (again)...




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 07:53:16 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:53:16 -0800
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135065196.26309.521.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 08:44 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:40 -0800, Vram wrote:
> > Vince
> > It was rejected at the ISP...
> > Not me..
> 
> 
> Yes that's what I said: "your mail server", obviously equals to "you
> ISP" ;-)
> 
> I think we have problems communicating this morning Vram, did you have
> enough sleep !? ;-P
> 


HEHE.. No.

I am going to bed NOW



I will worry about this in the morning





> 
> --
> Vince, cheeky monkey
> > 
> 
> 




From robitaille at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 08:06:36 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:06:36 -0800
Subject: FAO : "VRAM" (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064952.23163.60.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135064952.23163.60.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512200006g1b0e9687v3fb502ed74943499@mail.gmail.com>

> > Strange that Ubuntu's list server doesn't use SpamCop too.
>
> Strange, but glad, I would be in trouble if I hadn't this list to solve
> my Ubuntu problems ! ;-)

I believe the Ubuntu list server uses spamassasin; but I'm not sure
how it is configured


--
Daniel Robitaille



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 08:08:39 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:08:39 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A4D394.1060201@melvinart.com>
References: <E1Entzl-0000rf-Jt@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43A4D394.1060201@melvinart.com>
Message-ID: <43A7BC07.9040005@angrykeyboarder.com>

Bryann Melvin wrote:
> 
> Ubuntu is targeted to be simple to install or use. I use several distros
> on different machines, but have seriously considered converting all of
> them to ubuntu/kubuntu/xbuntu to make life simple.......

I can't quite figure this out.  What I've quoted a above is part of the 
message to which I'm now replying with this post.

It appears to be several posts down in a thread.  However, on my end 
it's the *first* post in the entire thread.

*very odd*

Skimming through the 33+ posts (as of this writing) that follow it 
hasn't helped me either, because the discussion has drifted.

So tell me folks, just *how* is it that "Ubuntu is under attack"? :-)

This whole thing is rather bizarre... LOL


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From james at grayonline.id.au  Tue Dec 20 08:19:49 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:49 +1100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200512201919.53465.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:40 -0800, Vram wrote:
> > Vince
> > It was rejected at the ISP...
> > Not me..
>
> Yes that's what I said: "your mail server", obviously equals to "you
> ISP" ;-)

Hmmm - I guess people like me with their own mail servers don't need to 
worry then :P  FWIW, I haven't used a mail server I don't directly admin in 
over 5 years...ISP mail servers are horrid beasts that suffer exactly the 
sort of problems the OP is having.  I control my servers, and my IP range, 
so if someone relays through my servers (hahah good luck!) it's my own 
stupid fault :P

Cheers,

James
-- 
In case of fire, stand in the hall and shout "Fire!"
		-- The Kidner Report
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 08:24:21 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:24:21 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135058725.6778.320.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135058725.6778.320.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512200024o18f1a65biaa06c085f4b9a3d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> We have shown numerous reasons why installing an MTA on all Ubuntu
> systems is the right thing to do.  We have shown that it is more
> in accord with the Ubuntu goal of "Just Works" then the alternative
> of not providing an MTA out of the box.  The Unix tradition (which
> is in effect the accumulated wisdom of millions of man-years of
> development) says that a mail system should be installed.

No Mike, what you have shown is what you want and what you think is
the only workable solution. If you want that MTA installed by default,
use Ubuntu Server. It does exactly what you want.

There is absolutely no need to make the Desktop install worse just
because a few people seem incapable of chosing the right tool for the
job...

> And your reasoned and carefully explicated counter-argument is:
> "An MTA is not required on the desktop."  "It's more of a server
> capability."

Which is true. A desktop install need not have a MTA as a desktop
install usually connects to a server for mail capabilities. To draw
parallels with the Windows world, WinXP Pro has no MTA installed. You
require the Exchange Server install to get a MTA.

> Forgive us if we stick with logic over "Mommy knows best", kept
> promises (Ubuntu goals) over broken promises, and evidence
> over ignorance.

I don't get your logic. If you want to use the Ubuntu desktop install,
all you need to do is "apt-get install postfix mailx" and your
'problem' is solved. All this whining is pointless Mike. Use the
server install image, and you wont even have to tell it to install
postfix.

> How many alerts has your Ubuntu sent you that you will never
> know about?

Not a single one, as instead of ranting and raving, making myself a
laughingstock, I used apt to install what I required and got on with
things.

If you want to carry on the argument, take it off list. People are
starting to get sick of it.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 08:31:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:31:20 -0500
Subject: dumb Q about cdroms
References: <d12e5c90512192122x22b7850n555b55ba1a121c0b@mail.gmail.com><Sutekh.20brza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d12e5c90512192242p5c748534i4256b522c6c9ba74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Sutekh.20bygm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hey also found this HOWTO, where you can assign a key to open and close
the cd tray. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93068


-- 
Sutekh



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 20 09:14:18 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:14:18 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A7CB6A.9000509@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

Mario Splivalo wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:28 -0500, Al Gordon wrote:
>  
>
>>On 12/6/05, Mario Splivalo <mario.splivalo at mobart.hr> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd? Can that be fixed?
>>>      
>>>
>>sudo apt-get install openssh-server
>>
>>It'll only work until you reboot, however.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm talking about ubuntu-live. I can't apt-get install anything there.
>
>I'd prefer Ubuntu live over Knoppix, but, on Knoppix I could do:
>
>/etc/init.d/ssh start
>
>Ubuntu Live doesn't come with sshd. I just tought it would be handy to
>have sshd prepared when booting from Ubuntu Live CD.
>
>Is there any special reason why sshd is not on liveCD?
>
>	Mario
>
>
>  
>
May I ask why you prefer the Ubuntu live cd? The way I see it (which may 
very well be wrong, if I am, please tell me) that Ubuntu Live CD is 
primary there to see if your hardware is supported. If you want a 
"rescue" cd, or a functional working environment, Knoppix is the better 
choice IMO. Ubuntu live cd is slow and hasn't got some (in my opinion) 
essential packages.
This isn't to say the CD is useless, far from it. It just isn't designed 
for operational tasks.

Again, if I am dead wrong, flame away:)



From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk  Tue Dec 20 09:14:38 2005
From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:14:38 +0000
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <200512201919.53465.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>	<1135064407.26309.519.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1135064643.23163.54.camel@localhost>
	<200512201919.53465.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <43A7CB7E.8060502@manchester.ac.uk>



James Gray wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:40 -0800, Vram wrote:
>>
>>>Vince
>>>It was rejected at the ISP...
>>>Not me..
>>
>>Yes that's what I said: "your mail server", obviously equals to "you
>>ISP" ;-)
> 
> 
> Hmmm - I guess people like me with their own mail servers don't need to 
> worry then :P  FWIW, I haven't used a mail server I don't directly admin in 
> over 5 years...ISP mail servers are horrid beasts that suffer exactly the 
> sort of problems the OP is having.  I control my servers, and my IP range, 
> so if someone relays through my servers (hahah good luck!) it's my own 
> stupid fault :P

It's not necessarily relaying causing this. It just needs a compromised
PC that uses the ISP to start sending out SPAM through their mail
router, and things like SpamCop and others will black list the mail
router. Other mail routers may check the black list and refuse to accept
mail from such machines.

This happens to us at my University, and we have some very carefully and
tightly controlled mail routers.

Ideally, it should be the originating machine and not the mail router
that should be blocked, but it's not a perfect world!

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester,
IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.
T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039
E: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk, H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 20 09:18:36 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:18:36 +0100
Subject: Where's smbmount in breezy?
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512082252n35dfa049r355aa8ffd0266f4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512080653t77e1079dh3036226da5289a50@mail.gmail.com>	<37dd77890512080706y436e9828hf0be854f5104b5df@mail.gmail.com>	<b761cb050512081508t5aec50dpdd82c76388e60e3b@mail.gmail.com>	<03a401c5fc4e$08bd75d0$0300a8c0@Ulysses>
	<bbda83370512082252n35dfa049r355aa8ffd0266f4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A7CC6C.80802@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

Luca Manganelli wrote:

>On 12/9/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Yeah, I hear your pain! I noted a similar issue a while back
>>    
>>
>
>Another issue. You cannot save files from ANY application to a
>Nautilus mounted SMB folder. In KDE it is very easy do to it with one
>simple smb:/
>
>Weird.
>
>  
>
Humz, in kde only KDE-apps can do it if I am not mistaken. I cannot open 
smb://<path-to-server>/mp3 in xmms. This is because xmms doesn't use 
KIO-slaves.
Same goes for nautilus I guess (I mainly use fvvwm)



From warlock at eskimo.com  Tue Dec 20 07:05:23 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:05:23 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135062323.28451.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 01:04 -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> This discussion is more appropriate on sounder (hint).
> 
> On 12/17/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:29, Peter Garrett wrote:
> > > I don't think yelling and conspiracy theories are going to help much, do
> > > you?
> >
> > There are people who believe that limiting user choices to that
> > dictated by their personal religion is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
> > (Capitals in their thoughts.)  They have applied their doctrine
> > to Gnome and Fedora, and have now started on Ubuntu.
> >
> > I don't claim that their purpose is to harm Ubuntu.
> >
> > I do claim that their approach is fundamentally flawed and
> > incompatible with software freedom and will harm Ubuntu if
> > not stopped.
> >
> > --Mike Bird
> 
> I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> Rank	Distribution	Hits Per Day
> 1	Ubuntu	2739
> 2	SUSE	1891
> 3	Mandriva	1801
> 4	Fedora	1030
> 
> Hmm. Who's sitting right at the top?
> 
> As for the "fundamentally flawed approach"... hmm, the numbers speak
> for themselves.

If the numbers speak for themselves, we'd all be running Windows XP.

> Plus, Ubuntu is still _fully_ customisable, however, it is also
> becoming more ACCESSIBLE (one of Canonical's stated goals is
> accessibility) by becoming more usable.

Accessible is fine, it's good. Removing functionality to get there, is a
path that needs to be carefully considered. 

(good sigmonster)


-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Smith & Wesson, the *original* point and click interface.
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From warlock at eskimo.com  Tue Dec 20 07:29:15 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:29:15 -0800
Subject: Rename multiple files at once
In-Reply-To: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
References: <43909CD5.7070307@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135063755.28451.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:13 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12022005 1312 GMT-5
> 
> I have a odd situation where I have to rename 130 picture files from a 
> random number to 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc. Is there anyway to automate that?
> Quickly!
> 
> Wade
> 

I use rename, which comes with perl, there's also a package called
mrename, but I don't know much about it. 

rename is simple, and uses pcre of course. There's also krename with
KDE, again, I haven't used it. 

-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we're dumb, then god
is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side." -- Frank Zappa
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From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Tue Dec 20 09:32:07 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:32:07 +1300
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was [ubuntu-users] Re: Ubuntu is
	under attack)
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512200024o18f1a65biaa06c085f4b9a3d1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 09:24 +0100, Anders Karlsson wrote: 
> On 12/20/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> > We have shown numerous reasons why installing an MTA on all Ubuntu
> > systems is the right thing to do.  We have shown that it is more
> > in accord with the Ubuntu goal of "Just Works" then the alternative
> > of not providing an MTA out of the box.  The Unix tradition (which
> > is in effect the accumulated wisdom of millions of man-years of
> > development) says that a mail system should be installed.
> 
> No Mike, what you have shown is what you want and what you think is
> the only workable solution. If you want that MTA installed by default,
> use Ubuntu Server. It does exactly what you want.

Neither Mike nor I care *which* MTA is installed. (At least I haven't
seen a message that suggests that Mike has a preference, and I am
prepared to try any MTA, although my experience is with sendmail rather
than with postfix or other MTAs that are available.)   What I am
asserting is that *an MTA* is necessary on any *ix box that runs cron
(or that runs any other system tool which expects a program
named /usr/sbin/sendmail). 
> 
> There is absolutely no need to make the Desktop install worse just
> because a few people seem incapable of chosing the right tool for the
> job...
> 
> > And your reasoned and carefully explicated counter-argument is:
> > "An MTA is not required on the desktop."  "It's more of a server
> > capability."
> 
> Which is true. A desktop install need not have a MTA as a desktop
> install usually connects to a server for mail capabilities. To draw
> parallels with the Windows world, WinXP Pro has no MTA installed. You
> require the Exchange Server install to get a MTA.
> 
You are *not* comparing apples with apples.

A standard Windows workstation does not include any application that
uses/expects/... a locally-installed MTA/MUA.  In my last workplace, if
a Windows system (other than an Exchange server) needed the ability to
send mail, the server admins installed a command-line program that spoke
SMTP to a remote SMTP server.  That did not require a local MTA/MUA/MDA.

The cron utility, on the other hand, expects to be able to run the
program /usr/sbin/sendmail.  This forces (or should force) *all* systems
that include cron (which includes Ubuntu, debian, and most other Linux
distributions) to include a package that includes /usr/sbin/sendmail.  
I don't care whether that is sendmail, postfix, or some other MTA. 

And I don't care what MUA is used. I have used enough different user
agents to appreciate that *my* preferred MUA != *your* preferred MUA.

> > Forgive us if we stick with logic over "Mommy knows best", kept
> > promises (Ubuntu goals) over broken promises, and evidence
> > over ignorance.
> 
> I don't get your logic. If you want to use the Ubuntu desktop install,
> all you need to do is "apt-get install postfix mailx" and your
> 'problem' is solved. All this whining is pointless Mike. Use the
> server install image, and you wont even have to tell it to install
> postfix.
> 
> > How many alerts has your Ubuntu sent you that you will never
> > know about?
> 
> Not a single one, as instead of ranting and raving, making myself a
> laughingstock, I used apt to install what I required and got on with
> things.

Can you prove that? (Yes, I am aware that it is impossible to prove a
negative assertion such as this.)  Are you sure that you aren't affected
by the dangling symlink which was reported to me in an email last night,
which didn't get sent until I installed postfix? ( See one of my earlier
posts in this thread).

If no MTA is installed by default, I *can* guarantee that *all* mail
messages that installed utilities attempt to generate *MUST* go
to /dev/null, as there is no tool to send them anywhere else.  This may
be fine for a user who only has M$ as a reference poijt, but the idea
does NOT pass muster for anybody who has ever administered any *ix
system.


> 
> If you want to carry on the argument, take it off list. People are
> starting to get sick of it.

The proper forum for this debate is probably the ubuntu-devel list.

unfortunately, the setup of ubuntu-users includes an explicit reply-to,
which forces the discussion to stay in this list:(  I am at least trying
to redirect the discussion, by CC-ing ubuntu-devel. 
> 
> --
> Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

Tim




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 09:44:59 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:44:59 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 21:44, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> A sysadm requiring an MTA should be installing the server install
> (separate ISO as of Breezy) and he can have his MTA straight of the
> bat.

Anders,

It took an hour to check your facts.  All wrong.  Why didn't
YOU check before misleading everybody on the list?

1) The Breezy server install, like the Breezy desktop install,
   doesn't include Postfix, Mailx, /usr/sbin/sendmail,
   or any other MTA that I can find.  And of course ...
2) The server install isn't on a separate ISO in Breezy.

The hour wasn't completely wasted as I noticed a couple of
things I hadn't noticed before:

1) In another dumbdowngrade, Breezy server also omits ssh server
   from the initial installation.  Kudos to Edubuntu for getting
   that one right.

2) In a masterpiece of illogic, desktop and server variants of
   Breezy both include the "popularity-contest" spyware, although
   it's turned off and in any event is useless without an MTA.

--Mike Bird




From custom at freenet.de  Tue Dec 20 09:45:51 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:45:51 +0700
Subject: Can't get USB memory stick to work
In-Reply-To: <jpkotta.20bura@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1981869225.20051220103802@freenet.de>
	<jpkotta.20bura@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1401059244.20051220164551@freenet.de>

Hello 'Forum,

Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 2:11:16 PM, you wrote:

FP> The reason it defaults to root permissions is because the OS doesn't
FP> know who is the owner of the device.  This is a major difference
FP> between WinXP and Linux (or Unix in general).  In XP, you can have many
FP> users logged in to the system, but as far as I know, only one user
FP> actually using it at a time.  In Unix, you can have many users logged
FP> in -and- simultaneously using the system.

I hate it when there's perfectly sensible reasons for things that
don't go my way instantly. :-| :)

... Thanks for the explanation and suggestion to mount the thing..!

> There's probably an easier, Ubuntu way to do this, but I don't know it.

Does anyone else know if there's a more 'Ubuntu way' (read: wimpier way) of
doing this?  But the fstab thing will surely work, of course..  I just
wonder if all users have to do this when they want to plug in a memory
stick or digital camera?

I suppose I could run the whole lot including Gnome as root... That
would take care of things. :)  (Never mind answering that, I know, I
know.. That's un-linux, the closest you can get to blasfemy in unix.. :)

Cheers,
Chanchao





From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 09:46:47 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:46:47 +1100
Subject: Dual head system setup
Message-ID: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>

Hi All, 

I just purchased a GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot) card and another one is
inbult into the mother board. Can somebody help me in setting up a dual
head system? So I can use 2 monitors as 1. 

Thanks,
   Serg





From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Tue Dec 20 09:54:42 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:54:42 +0900
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135072483.30979.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

tis 2005-12-20 klockan 01:44 -0800 skrev Mike Bird:


> The hour wasn't completely wasted as I noticed a couple of
> things I hadn't noticed before:
> 
> 1) In another dumbdowngrade, Breezy server also omits ssh server
>    from the initial installation.  Kudos to Edubuntu for getting
>    that one right.

AFAIK, ssh server was never installed by default in any version of
Ubuntu.


-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From awol at home.nl  Tue Dec 20 10:05:06 2005
From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:06 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack (For a desktop, an MTA not required)
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051220100506.GA5340@home.nl>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 06:44:23AM +0100, Anders Karlsson wrote:

> For a desktop, an MTA is not required.

I use only 'desktops' and wouldnt't know a server if one
was standing before me, but:

1) I use mutt as MUA and thus need an MTA (postfix in my case)

2) I have a small home network and need to use 'aliases'
   (sender_canonical, etc) and I even sometimes want to specify the
   'helo'. I have never found out how to manipulate the headers
   with evolution/thunderbird and smtp. So even when using evolution
   I use it with the 'sendmail' option in combination with postfix.

Things are not black and white, some desktop users need shades of
gray. However I am quite content to apt-get postfix after install.
As long as it is available in the repositories it's OK.

> Give it a rest now eh?

Everybody certainly should as the tone and content of the
'discussion' is degenerating rapidly.

Alexander




From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 10:07:10 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:07:10 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051220100710.GA2410@srcf.ucam.org>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 08:42:35PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 19:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email.
> 
> An out of the box Breezy install will try to generate emails,
> but will fail.  There's no obvious indication that the emails
> are lost.  In Hoary they would have been delivered.

Really? From what?

> > and also to allow people who actually /need/ an MTA to configure it appropriately rather than ending 
> > up with a (mostly useless) default configuration.
> 
> Your phrasing again indicates that you don't know what you're
> writing about.  Postfix offers a choice of several basic
> configurations during debconf and they are suitable for
> almost all newbies, almost all desktops, and many servers.

Did you ever actually install previous versions of Ubuntu? You only get 
the debconf promptings for postfix if you install it after the system 
install. We decided that people who actually want postfix probably also 
want the option to configure it, but also decided that most people don't 
want postfix. The obvious change was to require people who want it to 
install it manually, and then offer them the configuration dialogues.
 
> You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.

You've repeatedly made assertions about "Hundreds of man hours being 
lost" and the like. I haven't seen how, yet.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Tue Dec 20 10:18:53 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:53 +0100
Subject: SOLVED2 NOTSOLVED: removable Media
In-Reply-To: <nn4i73-11b.ln1@don.localnet>
References: <dmtnog$heb$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200512161029.22085.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<nn4i73-11b.ln1@don.localnet>
Message-ID: <200512201118.53468.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

On Monday 19 December 2005 08:40, Bill Marcum wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:29:21 +0100, Robert Entner
>
>   <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
> > I have the exact same problem, except that the presented solution
> > does not work on my system :-(
> >
> > Plugging in a storage device generates the /dev/sda1 device, but does
> > not get mounted.  Mounting by hand then brings up the desktop icon.
> >
> > Any other ideas what I could look for?
>
> System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media

It seems that Breezy has the new user privilege 'Enable access to external 
storage devices automatically'.  As this option was not available in 
Hoary, and the dist-upgrade did not set it for the user it did of course 
not work.

This is very tricky and I wonder why the upgrade did not set the 
permissions for the privileged user or at least warn me about the new 
option (I upgraded one week before final).

Setting this option and everything is fine now.

Thanks,
Burt



From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Tue Dec 20 10:23:00 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:23:00 +0100
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <200512201725.12837.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<a113efc30512191239y3af4d48fh8a1d055ffbca8a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512201725.12837.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <200512201123.00412.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:25, James Gray wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:39, Jason Smith wrote:
> > After I have installed Ubuntu 5.10 I din't manage to write not even
> > one DVD, because DMA was not enabled. Not to mention
> > the high CPU usage when I was accessing my optical drive.
> >
> > Luckily Nero warned me about the DMA misconfiguration, I corected the
> > problem
> > and now everything works fine. I think DMA should be enabled by
> > default.
>
> All well-and-good, but what if the Ubuntu installer loads the
> ide-generic driver before your chipset-specific IDE driver resulting in
> a situation that setting DMA on any drive causes a kernel panic?  Not
> Ubuntu's fault mind you - it was a known gotcha with early Asus K8VSE
> motherboard BIOS'es..
>
> So enable DMA by default and possibly panic the kernel if the BIOS is a
> little screwy, or play safe?  Personally, I'd rather have a machine
> that boots (even at sub-optimal speed) so I can fix the problem over a
> system that panics before it even reaches run level 1. :)  It's not
> just old hardware that can e flakey with DMA enabled by deafult -
> unfortunately.

How does Windows solve this problem?

Burt



From matt at v8zman.com  Tue Dec 20 10:51:54 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:51:54 -0500
Subject: Dual head system setup
In-Reply-To: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
References: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <43A7E24A.9050602@v8zman.com>

This is the config file I used in the past for basically the same setup. 
The important thing is that every card has a "Device" section, every 
monitor has a "Screen" section and that the "ServerLayout" lists both of 
those.

Enjoy,
Matt



Serg B. wrote:

>Hi All, 
>
>I just purchased a GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot) card and another one is
>inbult into the mother board. Can somebody help me in setting up a dual
>head system? So I can use 2 monitors as 1. 
>
>Thanks,
>   Serg
>
>
>
>  
>

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From rasputnik at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:10:30 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:10:30 +0000
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was [ubuntu-users] Re: Ubuntu is
	under attack)
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On 20/12/05, Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> If no MTA is installed by default, I *can* guarantee that *all* mail
> messages that installed utilities attempt to generate *MUST* go
> to /dev/null, as there is no tool to send them anywhere else.  This may
> be fine for a user who only has M$ as a reference poijt, but the idea
> does NOT pass muster for anybody who has ever administered any *ix
> system.

Can you explain where these essential emails are going to go?
Because unless you configure it, they'll go to roots mailspool. Which isn't
going to be checked anyway.

In the 'out of the box' config, all you'll get is /var filling up.

If you're going to setup the aliases file, is it *really* that much
extra work to choose
an MTA (from several ON THE CD)?

[
At least you can run apt-get.
Spare a thought for those of us who don't even get a network out of the box.
If Santa is subscribed, I've been a good boy all year.
Please add wpasupplicant to Dapper base - cheers :)
]

--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From monotux at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:15:16 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:15:16 +0100
Subject: Dual head system setup
In-Reply-To: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
References: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <20051220121516.851ee3d1.monotux@gmail.com>

The easiest way to do this is by using the Xinerama-extension in nvidias module - there  are plenty documentation about this on the net.

Oscar

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:46:47 +1100
"Serg B." <serg.belokamen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All, 
> 
> I just purchased a GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot) card and another one is
> inbult into the mother board. Can somebody help me in setting up a dual
> head system? So I can use 2 monitors as 1. 
> 
> Thanks,
>    Serg
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Tue Dec 20 11:44:58 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:44:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>

James Gray <james <at> grayonline.id.au> writes:

> Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.
> This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.

Yeah.  Still, no flexibility in installation.  The real point is that it isn't
made easy to alter.  It's really primitive to have to alter a file like
menu.1st.  And that's not helped when you do not know how to open Kate as super
user, which I could not find.

> > 4. Screen Resolution.
> 
> Is this on the console or in X?  If it's in X you may need to double check   >
the monitor sync ranges and/or add a mode line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  ...

I have to say that all sounds so Dark Ages.  I've got a standard monitor which
gives no problem even to the Redmond company, which is even able to provide a
GUI device to alter the settings.

> > 5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
> 
> Exactly how much space do think is available on one CD? :P  

That's sort of my point.  I would have paid several times over for an
alternative to my present Linux system.  I can handle multi-disk installations.
 I suspect most people can.

> > While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a tool such as System Settings
> > opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?
> 
> ALT+F2, type "kcontrol", hit "Run".  This should be in the K-menu under 
> Preferences -> Control Center too. 

Thanks, that's gone into my notes.  Konqueror, of course, applies the same
settings to every tab and every folder.  I set it to list mode rather than icons
and it looked bizarre having a system settings tool as a tab in my file browser.
 
> Single-click execution is the default behaviour in KDE and has been as long as
I can remember.

Not on the system I've been using.  Right-click to select?

> If you don't like it, you can revert to "double-click to 
> execute, single-click to select" type behaviour:
> 1. Open "kcontrol" (see above)
> 2. Expand the "Peripherals" branch and select "Mouse".
> 3. Select the "General" tab and voila!  Edit to your preferred behaviour :)

I was hoping there was a fix somewhere some time.

> > 7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
> > A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, ...
> Try opening it in kcontrol instead.

Right, why expect it to work in the first place you find it.

> 
> Non-root users can never lower the permissions of a root-write-only file.  
> It's basic file system security.

Of course.

> You can simply "sudo <CLI-editor-of-choice> 
> <file>" to edit a root-owned and protected file.

Thanks.  That's what I was looking for: > C. Next thought, open Kate, possibly
from the root console.  Look for Help on the subject (see above).

>Could try chmod but I'm getting awfully sick of this.
> 
> You're approaching it the wrong way :)  Rather than lowering the permissions 
> of the file so you can edit it as a normal user, elevate yourself to a higher 
> privilege level THEN edit the file.  The tool is called "sudo" and when it 
> prompts for a password it is your USER password.

Right.  Since I was missing sudo and was dubious about opening an editor from
the console anyway, I thought of taking the other route.
> 
> > D. Light goes on.  Login in as Root, open Kate, open file, edit, 
> > all's right with the world.  Sorry, no can do.  Jeepers Creepers.
> 
> Correct - root doesn't own the KDE instance so root can't get access to the X 
> server.  This is normal.  
No, it's not.  I seldom have to do it, but I can login as root on my other
distro.  I managed to open the Ubuntu X server as root in Recovery Mode.
>

Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary user.  It
isn't.  It's for geeks.  And, after this frustrating start, it'll have to wait
until I have oodles of time to deal with it without aids that typically simplify
the process elsewhere.  The resolution thing troubles me because I found during
installation that I could not alter certain settings although invited to do so
and, as I say, even Redmond gets that right.

The other point, of course, is that, as we all know, things do not always unfold
as instructions indicate they should.  Manuals etc can be written in fairly
cryptic terms and it is not always clear what's meant.  I did not expect to have
to build a system from such meagre beginnings.  I wanted something I could use
at least as an alternative but, hopefully, in preference to what I've already
got.  (I was attracted to the dynamism of the Ubuntu updating process.)  That
might yet be possible but it will have to wait until I've got a lot more time
than I expected to need.







From camuzat_s at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 12:10:25 2005
From: camuzat_s at yahoo.com (Camuzat Sebastien)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:10:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: USB mass storage device
In-Reply-To: <43A3791F.7030204@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051220121025.61185.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi ! Thanks !
The fact is that I formatted the CF card, but no
difference.
I can access to it via Win$ and it's a pain !


--- Sasha Tsykin <psychosushi at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Try reformatting te device, there may be some errors
> on it. 
> Alternatively, try accessing it in windows, it may
> be a bug in the kernel.
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 


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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Tue Dec 20 12:32:44 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:32:44 +0000
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <200512201123.00412.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<a113efc30512191239y3af4d48fh8a1d055ffbca8a37@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512201725.12837.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<200512201123.00412.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <1135081964.8336.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 11:23 +0100, Robert Entner wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:25, James Gray wrote:

> >
> > All well-and-good, but what if the Ubuntu installer loads the
> > ide-generic driver before your chipset-specific IDE driver resulting in
> > a situation that setting DMA on any drive causes a kernel panic?  Not
> > Ubuntu's fault mind you - it was a known gotcha with early Asus K8VSE
> > motherboard BIOS'es..
> >
> > So enable DMA by default and possibly panic the kernel if the BIOS is a
> > little screwy, or play safe?  Personally, I'd rather have a machine
> > that boots (even at sub-optimal speed) so I can fix the problem over a
> > system that panics before it even reaches run level 1. :)  It's not
> > just old hardware that can e flakey with DMA enabled by deafult -
> > unfortunately.
> 
> How does Windows solve this problem?

I don't know how it solves it automagically out of the box, but I do
know that my Dell 340 came set up with DMA off under Windows 2000, even
though it was capable of using it and turning it on gave me much higher
disc access speeds for read and write.  I suspect the default Windows
install probably plays safe like Ubuntu does, for much the same reasons.

However, there is a caveat;  my Dell did not come direct from Dell, it
was an overstock/return/whatever bought from a third party reseller
(Europc).  So Dell themselves did not install the OEM Windows 2000 that
came with it (fully legitimate, COC on the case, hologram disc etc).
I'm sure a Dell factory install of Windows would have had DMA working,
just as Dell factory installs have drivers for just about every printer
ever built ready to spring into action as soon as the os detects the
hardware.

I think many Windows installs from mainstream vendors are heavily
tweaked and optimised for the hardware they are installed on.  The
generic install probably isn't and will play safe on things like DMA.

Neil
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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Tue Dec 20 12:45:38 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:45:38 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.  At one
> time I was running 4 different Linux distros on the one machine and each one
> added itself to the top of the boot order as I installed them.  You don't
> like it - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (read on - there are other options).

That is justification by tradition, a known logical fallacy. Just
because all of the other distros suck and do the wrong thing doesn't
mean we should emulate them. This is incorrect behaviour, IMHO.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From papabeardk at comporium.net  Tue Dec 20 12:15:19 2005
From: papabeardk at comporium.net (David Kellin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:15:19 -0500
Subject: X server Error
Message-ID: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net>

I installed the latest release on my hp pavilion laptop last night. Dual 
booted with windose. everything loaded fine, but after inital start up 
screen loads,  I have an X-server error. , clicking through brings me to 
a text prompt. Typing X at promt brought me this error code

EE Radeon(o): (dri)DRIscreenInit failed Disabling DRI

I am relatively new to the Ubuntu OS, and could use some help figuring 
this out.What I have gathered so far from my searching the Wiki and 
documentation is that this is probably a configuration or driver issue. 
But I am lost as to how to proceed. Any help or links would be appreciated

David



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 13:02:13 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:02:13 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512200502ke46c4c9r@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/05, Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca> wrote:
> On 12/20/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> > This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.  At one
> > time I was running 4 different Linux distros on the one machine and each one
> > added itself to the top of the boot order as I installed them.  You don't
> > like it - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (read on - there are other options).
>
> That is justification by tradition, a known logical fallacy. Just
> because all of the other distros suck and do the wrong thing doesn't
> mean we should emulate them. This is incorrect behaviour, IMHO.

If you can't think of anything more important to get worked up about that
the order OSes are listed in the boot menu, Get Out More. Sheesh.



--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From hubertus at hiden.org  Tue Dec 20 13:11:41 2005
From: hubertus at hiden.org (Hubertus Hiden)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:11:41 +0100
Subject: Dual head system setup
In-Reply-To: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
References: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <43A8030D.3040308@hiden.org>

Hi Serg,

Did you take a look at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xinerama&titlesearch=Titel

Hubertus

Serg B. schrieb:

>Hi All, 
>
>I just purchased a GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot) card and another one is
>inbult into the mother board. Can somebody help me in setting up a dual
>head system? So I can use 2 monitors as 1. 
>
>Thanks,
>   Serg
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 

HIDEN - EDV mit System
Ing. Hubertus Hiden
Schwöbing 12
A-8670 Krieglach

Tel: 	+43 3855 2358
	+43 664 2209313
Mail:	hubertus at hiden.org
URL:	http://www.hiden.org




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 13:13:36 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:13:36 +0100
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
Message-ID: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>

Hi,

I am having a problem with aMule. I installed it (on Dapper) earlier
today, and a after only a few hours running, it causes the computer to
slow down and becomes sluggish/unresponsive. I bet it would just hang if
I left it like this for a few more hours :-/

I looked in Gnome system monitor, and amule created about 45 (!)
"zombie" processes !!! But the main amule process uses very little CPU
time, and although I am downloading 300 files at the same time, I still
have plenty of RAM left and nothing on the swap, so I couldn't figure
out why it would slow down the whole machine... until I looked at root
processes : Xorg uses 75% of the CPU !! :-O

And all that after only 4 hours or so of using aMule. Is this "normal",
is aMule still beta software ? And how comes Xorg comes into play, I
thought it was only there to deal with mouse/keyboard/screen/network
eventually ??
Is this a known problem, is there a known solution to recover the system
responsiveness without having to kill/quit aMule (as it takes time to
enter queues) ?
The way I thought P2P worked, was to select bags of files and let the
machine running 24/7 to retrieve chunks of files at snail pace and
slowly put everything together over time ? So surely it's not designed
to put the machine all over the place in only a few hours ?!?

Thanks for sharing your experiences/suggestions...


Regards,


--
Vince, would like an efficient P2P program...




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 13:15:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:15:22 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org><200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <macgyver2.20cbfa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Terry North Wrote: 
> Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary
> user.  It

> isn't.  It's for geeks.  And, after this frustrating start, it'll have
> to wait

> until I have oodles of time to deal with it without aids that typically
> simplify

> the process elsewhere.  The resolution thing troubles me because I
> found during

> installation that I could not alter certain settings although invited
> to do so

> and, as I say, even Redmond gets that right.

Technically speaking, you're not using -Ubuntu-, you're using
-*K*ubuntu-.  Three (or four?) of your seven issues (5,6,7, and maybe
even 4) look to be KDE specific.  Maybe you should try Ubuntu (the
default Gnome version) itself.  Another issue (1) was because you chose
to try expert mode (an ordinary user wouldn't).  Still another issue (2)
is not {U,Ku,Edu,Xu}buntu-specific at all (give me physical access to
most any computer and I can mess with it).  As for issue 3, that sounds
like a good area where improvement might be made.  Maybe a little app
that makes the process convenient would be a nice thing to add to the
distro.  I don't know, maybe there's one out there you can install for
now...?


-- 
macgyver2



From wade at wadesmart.com  Tue Dec 20 13:20:05 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:20:05 -0600
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A80505.9070108@wadesmart.com>

12202005 0718 GMT-5

Isnt everything made to the MS standard? Monitors dont say - AND Apple & 
Linux approved. No, they say Windows compatible. The fact that linux 
does support so many hardware devices is great!

Wade

Terry North wrote:

>
>>>4. Screen Resolution.
>>>      
>>>
>>Is this on the console or in X?  If it's in X you may need to double check   >
>>    
>>
>the monitor sync ranges and/or add a mode line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  ...
>
>I have to say that all sounds so Dark Ages.  I've got a standard monitor which
>gives no problem even to the Redmond company, which is even able to provide a
>GUI device to alter the settings.
>
>  
>
>
>  
>
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From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 13:20:28 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:20:28 -0500
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512200520o40958355v266d756af2c434d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> James Gray <james <at> grayonline.id.au> writes:
>
> > Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.
> > This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.
>
> Yeah.  Still, no flexibility in installation.  The real point is that it
> isn't
> made easy to alter.  It's really primitive to have to alter a file like
> menu.1st.  And that's not helped when you do not know how to open Kate as
> super
> user, which I could not find.
>
> > > 4. Screen Resolution.
> >


I have to say this is been a pain point for many new to Ubuntu. I do hope
this part of setup/installation gets fixed/better.


> > 5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
> >
> > Exactly how much space do think is available on one CD? :P
>
> That's sort of my point.  I would have paid several times over for an
> alternative to my present Linux system.  I can handle multi-disk
> installations.
> I suspect most people can.


While I can understand wanting everything included on media, Ubuntu is
supposed to be a 1-CD beast.  I do think the idea of having a separately
available "package CD" is an attractive one.  Maybe a project for hosting
binary packages for various popular architectures would be a good idea.


>
> > Correct - root doesn't own the KDE instance so root can't get access to
> the X
> > server.  This is normal.
> No, it's not.  I seldom have to do it, but I can login as root on my other
>
> distro.  I managed to open the Ubuntu X server as root in Recovery Mode.


logging in with root and sudoing or su-ing to  root from a regular user
under X is different.  I cant think of a time on Gentoo/Fedora/Suse where if
I was in a command line window and su'd into root i didn't get a "No
Display" message.


Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary
> user.  It
> isn't.  It's for geeks.  And, after this frustrating start, it'll have to
> wait
> until I have oodles of time to deal with it without aids that typically
> simplify
> the process elsewhere.  The resolution thing troubles me because I found
> during
> installation that I could not alter certain settings although invited to
> do so
> and, as I say, even Redmond gets that right.


  I agree. But I think it is headed in the right direction.  I skipped most
of your comments/questions because they related directly to configurable
behavior of the desktop environment.  This is the only point for me where,
"if you don't like it you can change it" would be appropriate.  There are so
(mabye too) many options avavilable for your desktop/window manager;
sometimes it takes a couple of tries to find one you like.
  More things should Just Work(tm) on installation if we want a bigger share
of users to jump on board.  But Ubuntu is still young.
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From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 13:22:38 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:22:38 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:45:38AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 12/20/05, James Gray <james at grayonline.id.au> wrote:
> > This is the default behaviour for every Linux I've ever installed.  At one
> > time I was running 4 different Linux distros on the one machine and each one
> > added itself to the top of the boot order as I installed them.  You don't
> > like it - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (read on - there are other options).
> 
> That is justification by tradition, a known logical fallacy. Just
> because all of the other distros suck and do the wrong thing doesn't
> mean we should emulate them. This is incorrect behaviour, IMHO.

The reason everyone does it this way is so that their installer can
actually complete properly without you having to select something
manually from the boot menu. I wouldn't object to it being selectable in
expert mode, but I maintain that it's the correct default.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 13:23:33 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:23:33 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <43A7CB6A.9000509@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A7CB6A.9000509@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512200523yb7e2e78s574619c454981eb3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Yoram Hekma <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Mario Splivalo wrote:
>
> Again, if I am dead wrong, flame away:)
>
>


I leave the flames out of it; but to me a "live" CD should work more like
the installed OS and less like a "demo" or "check-hardware" CD.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 13:20:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:20:38 -0500
Subject: Seveas repositories name warning. (FreeNX)
References: <1134730851.8586.11.camel@localhost.localdomain><1134833980.26193.19.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<1134924442.26193.31.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <btdown.20cccm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Dennis, thanks for your repository..You had a lot of nice stuff,
especially FreeNX.


-- 
btdown



From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 13:44:17 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:14:17 +0530
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512200520o40958355v266d756af2c434d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<cb39d0990512200520o40958355v266d756af2c434d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512200544k239600d7o21004bf816b70168@mail.gmail.com>

Its not for geeks,

if the admin is geek, no other user have to be geek.

My friends (who cant even imagine computers without windows) can access my
comp without my guidance


revant
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From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Dec 20 13:42:39 2005
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:42:39 -0000
Subject: <mail> command missing?
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Peter Garrett said...
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:53:08 +1100
> David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > This sounds like a bug to me, or at least some inappropriate dumbing down. 
> > Does this mean that with each new release of Ubuntu we need to check what 
> > has been considered inappropriate for the "average" user? 
> 
> See
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
> 
>  for a flavour of some of the thinking that is being done about ... erm..
> not confusing new users. 

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. There are some truly awful 
decisions in there.

-- 
Best,
Marc




From mnut at cox.net  Tue Dec 20 14:28:43 2005
From: mnut at cox.net (mnut)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:28:43 -0700
Subject: Where are instructions to use PowerPc version of Live CD?
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On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:45 AM, Chris Peterman wrote:

> Just hit "enter/return"

That didn't work.  Anyone else?  Printed instructions anywhere?

Thanks

Mel

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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 14:34:06 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:34:06 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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hi,

> It took an hour to check your facts.  All wrong.  Why didn't
> YOU check before misleading everybody on the list?
> 
> 1) The Breezy server install, like the Breezy desktop install,
>    doesn't include Postfix, Mailx, /usr/sbin/sendmail,
>    or any other MTA that I can find.  And of course ...
> 2) The server install isn't on a separate ISO in Breezy.
please check more carefully next time:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/breezy/

> The hour wasn't completely wasted as I noticed a couple of
> things I hadn't noticed before:
> 
> 1) In another dumbdowngrade, Breezy server also omits ssh server
>    from the initial installation.  Kudos to Edubuntu for getting
>    that one right.
thanks for the kudos, but the ssh server is only installed because our
ltsp implementation is built around it, you might have noted that
edubuntu doesnt include a MTA either.
> 
> 2) In a masterpiece of illogic, desktop and server variants of
>    Breezy both include the "popularity-contest" spyware, although
>    it's turned off and in any event is useless without an MTA.
ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery, please check the facts
before starting huge rants on this anyway high traffic list

ciao
	oli
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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 14:36:45 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:36:45 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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hi,
Am Dienstag, den 20.12.2005, 18:54 +0900 schrieb Jan Moren:
> tis 2005-12-20 klockan 01:44 -0800 skrev Mike Bird:
> 
> 
> > The hour wasn't completely wasted as I noticed a couple of
> > things I hadn't noticed before:
> > 
> > 1) In another dumbdowngrade, Breezy server also omits ssh server
> >    from the initial installation.  Kudos to Edubuntu for getting
> >    that one right.
> 
> AFAIK, ssh server was never installed by default in any version of
> Ubuntu.
edubuntu installs a single classroom ltsp server by default (much like
the K12LTSP distro) the new implementation of ltsp we wrote uses ssh to
tunnel all X forwarding (will be adopted by ltsp upstream as version 4.2
in the future), so for this feature a installed ssh server was
necessary...

ciao
	oli
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From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 20 14:46:45 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:46:45 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:24:21 +0100
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you want to carry on the argument, take it off list. People are
> starting to get sick of it.

/Some/ people are starting to get sick of it.  I am still completely
interested and learning (some small amount of) stuff.
I have yet to see compelling reasoning for either view although I do
like to get system mail.  It has helped a lot in some cases of b0rken
installations.
Yes, you can apt-get an MTA but, if the system is so configured to send
system mail, why would anyone /not/ want that, especially GNUbies who
need to learn?

I would be most interested in seeing the reasoning that Ubuntu has used
to arrive at their decision.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 20 14:58:28 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:58:28 +1100
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:49:46 -0500
Hakim Singhji <hzs202 at nyu.edu> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Peter Garrett wrote:
> > 
> > I would guess you need to install gaim-dev.
> I did and it worked... thanks.
> 
> > By the way, sudo is not required for  ./configure, or "make" - only for
> > "make install". Another hint - install the "checkinstall" utility, and run
> > "sudo checkinstall" instead of "make install"
> So here is the status of this projects... I was able to perform
> ./configure. Worked fine to my knowledge, ran "make". Then installed
> "checkinstall", which worked as well. Checkinstall confirmed
> installation also, however when I open gaim tool -> preferences ->
> plugins I cannot find the plugin that I just installed.
> 
> I have restarted the application and the machine. Gaim does not see
> it... what is going on? Do I need to create a soft link to a library
> file or something?

I've never done this, but the Gaim FAQ has a section on compiling plugins.
See:

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q95


Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 20 15:03:30 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:03:30 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:18:46 -0800
Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:

> > Googling turns out PHB as Pointy-Haired Boss i.e mid-level
> > Pointy-Haired Boss?
> > It's probably contextual, given the tone of this debate which is
> > watched with great
> > interest from this end of the globe.
> > 
> > Alfred,
> > 
> 
> Globes have ENDS????
> 
> I thought they were ROUND????
> 
> ????
> 
> Vram
> 
All Right-Thinking People (tm) know that the earth is flat - what's this
stuff about globes, anyway ?

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:07:53 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:07:53 -0400
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
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The thing I hate most is ... people who tell me how much they hate
_anything_.  Really, I don't want to know what movies reviewers hated, I
don't want to know what music the critics despised and I don't much care if
someone doesn't like Ubuntu.  Now if you have a little critical advice, go
ahead:

> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
> 
>>1. Installation.
>>First, it reminded me of Windoze, one thing I don't need.  No input at
>>all.
>>Tried choosing "expert".  Did not look like offering choices.  And no
>>setting of the root password.  

You're a newbie?  Why on earth should you EXPECT a root password?  It's
absent for good reasons.

>>3. Grub.
>>Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.  Hey, I
>>want to
>>be in charge of the Boot Loader!  It does not suit me right now (for
>>obvious
>>reasons) to have Ubuntu as the default.  When I set out to change this, I
>>came up against various obstacles, more of which in a moment.

Easy to change if you know enough, and too difficult if you don't.  Windows
would just have installed itself right over anything else and you
_couldn't_ fix it.

>>5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
>>I wanted Kalarm, so I got Kubuntu 5.10 instead of Ubuntu 5.10.  But I'd
>>like
>>gedit and, if possible, Nautilus (Konqueror stinks, methinks).  I paid
>>$A9.90
>>for a one disk installation.  I would happily have paid more for a decent
>>installation if it was available.  

Ubuntu & Kubuntu are 1-disk installs.  it's a feature.  Use something else
or download from the Ubuntu site post-install if you want more. 
Personally, if you only wanted kalarm (huh?  the most insignificant part of
kdepim) you'd have done better to install Ubuntu and then pulled in kalarm
from the net.  KDE is too tightly integrated with Konqueror to go in your
direction.

>>While I'm at it, what would be wrong 
>>with a tool such as System Settings opening in its own window instead of
>>in Konqueror?

It does...

>>7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
>>A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, which had
>>decided to
>>open as a list in Konqueror.  Everything was greyed out, except, possibly,
>>a note telling me to click on the Administrator's button if I wanted to
>>change
>>anything.  First, there was nothing to change.  Secondly, there was no
>>administrator's button.

There's a button, and if you tabbed you'd get to it.  You just didn't have a
high enough screen resolution to show the whole panel.

>>B. So, that meant I had to edit menu.lst (to get a say in Grub).  Of
>>course, the
>>file is read-only.  

No, it's not.  It is, however, only editable by root.


>>I cannot believe (ok, I do 
>>believe it) there is no Midnight Commander or anything like it.

Why should there be.  You can do it in Konqueror.

You've chosen a distro for inexplicable reasons, and though it works (at
least in most cases you've described) as designed, you don't like the
design.  Next time figure out what you want _before_ you choose a distro.

-- 
derek




From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Dec 20 15:08:10 2005
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:08:10 -0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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Graham said...
> On Sunday 18 December 2005 13:55, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> 
> if Debian provided as good an installer 
> as Ubuntu, there would be no need for Ubuntu as a stand-alone distro.  

I wholeheartedly agree. I run Debian mainly, but I recently decided to 
give it a go on a new laptop. I "wasted" a lot of time, over a few weeks 
elapsed, getting the wireless nic, modem, SATA controller, Nvidia card, 
and so on to work properly. On the other hand, everything worked first 
time after the Ubuntu install.

So, for me, it's Debian everywhere, except on laptops, where Ubuntu is 
king. I'd be tempted to use Ubuntu on future desktop installs were it 
not for the worrying trend alluded to in this thread.

-- 
Best,
Marc




From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Dec 20 15:08:08 2005
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:08:08 -0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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Michael P. Soulier said...
> On 12/18/05, squareyes <squareyes at internode.on.net> wrote:
> > >  sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
> > >
> > thanks for that, installed immediately
> 
> I think we need a section in the Ubuntu Wiki. Here is what you should
> install, after the bare-bones install that you're provided on the CD.

I think that there should be a small app to walk folk through it on the 
bare bones installation. Make the app as dummy-friendly as you like - 
the more info the better. (Yes, I know about Synaptic and friends, but 
something much smaller - with a pointer to Synaptic or aptitude search.)

> How about, HowToMakeUbuntuNotSuck

# aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
although I prefer kde-core and build from there

-- 
Best,
Marc




From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Dec 20 15:08:12 2005
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:08:12 -0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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Jan Moren said...

> By the way, the Ubuntu installer _is_ the Debian installer.

That might be true technically, but the results are very different. And 
that's what matters.

> If you want Debian, use Debian. What's the point of trying to make
> Ubuntu into Debian when it already exists?

That seems a little disingenuous; I'm sure you understand what the 
poster meant.

-- 
Best,
Marc




From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 15:31:00 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:31:00 +0200
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
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On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 14:13 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am having a problem with aMule. I installed it (on Dapper) earlier
> today, and a after only a few hours running, it causes the computer to
> slow down and becomes sluggish/unresponsive. I bet it would just hang if
> I left it like this for a few more hours :-/
> 
> I looked in Gnome system monitor, and amule created about 45 (!)
> "zombie" processes !!! But the main amule process uses very little CPU
> time, and although I am downloading 300 files at the same time, I still
> have plenty of RAM left and nothing on the swap, so I couldn't figure
> out why it would slow down the whole machine... until I looked at root
> processes : Xorg uses 75% of the CPU !! :-O
> 
> And all that after only 4 hours or so of using aMule. Is this "normal",
> is aMule still beta software ? And how comes Xorg comes into play, I
> thought it was only there to deal with mouse/keyboard/screen/network
> eventually ??
> Is this a known problem, is there a known solution to recover the system
> responsiveness without having to kill/quit aMule (as it takes time to
> enter queues) ?
> The way I thought P2P worked, was to select bags of files and let the
> machine running 24/7 to retrieve chunks of files at snail pace and
> slowly put everything together over time ? So surely it's not designed
> to put the machine all over the place in only a few hours ?!?
> 
> Thanks for sharing your experiences/suggestions...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
Amule is buggy, yes. I've had some problems with it too. I guess you can
wait for the next version, try their forums or #amule on Freenode or
maybe just try less files? I agree 100% that p2p programs should run
unattended reliably but no program is perfect.




From charles.malespin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 15:58:06 2005
From: charles.malespin at gmail.com (Charles Malespin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:58:06 -0600
Subject: bloated setup?
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On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:20 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> Also turn off the unnecessary start up services/daemons
> from rcconf or bum.
> 
> (bum will also tell you why are the services running for)
> 

What are rcconf and bum?  Where are they and how do I change them?
Tried man for both and it didnt have an entry.  Plus, I dont know which
start up services or daemons to turn off cause I dont know which ones do
what and if it might screw my system...





From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:29:23 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:29:23 -0400
Subject: An MTA should be installed by ubuntu (was Re: Ubuntu is under
	attack)
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Message-ID: <jjkl73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Jan Moren wrote:

> Well, for what it's worth, I have never understood why a few
> applications - cron chief among them - are not using the same
> information paths as every single other system app. Not even an MTA
> mails you if there is a problem - it just notes it in the logfile.

If the MTA is borked, you'll know because no mail is going out or arriving
(and how _could_ the MTA mail you if there was a problem, anyway?)

> If you think there's a possibility of this actually being changed I say
> go for it.
 
A "few" apps need to let a specific person know what they do.  I can't
imagine going into syslog every day to see what happened in cron.daily (all
the output would be spread throughout the log).  It could however be
handled by having all output from cron being logged under a specific
facility, then log rules could split it out from syslog if you wanted.

However, it's not rocket science to have cron physically place the output
file in a specific maildir, which seems to be what the developers want to
happen rather than sending mail - it just seems that that's a function
that's already handled by MTAs, so why reinvent the wheel?
-- 
derek




From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 16:13:47 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:43:47 +0530
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135094286.23086.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1135094286.23086.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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you have to install them first

run the foll. in the terminal window

sudo apt-get bum rcconf
Password:<enter your USER's password>

(you have to be connected to net first)


revant
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From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Tue Dec 20 16:14:04 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:14:04 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
Message-ID: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

Hello!

I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the default 
Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever that is) 
packages from main/universe.

This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without internet 
access.

Burt

-- 
http://www.kochecke.at



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:33:50 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:50 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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Chanchao wrote:

> I can't help but sort of agree that things changed for the worse in
> Breezy..   Desktop users want to send email right.. Excellent email
> software is installed by default, right..  However it is no longer
> possible to send email, and the user is not alerted of this.

And the excellent email programs - and your ISPs - simply expect you to
attach to an SMTP server.  If you've configured your MTA _correctly_ that
could be "localhost", but it's just as easy to set it to your ISP's server,
so that's not what we're talking about.
> 
> It just didn't work for me either and gave up trying to use email.
> (Well I thought some day I'd get around to figure out how to install
> SMTP but so far I haven't had the time. For sure it would involve
> doing config file stuff and as a desktop user I just don't want to
> bother with that.

If you can't make your email connect to your ISP's SMTP server, you're not
ready to configure your own.
-- 
derek




From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 16:26:51 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:26:51 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512200826y680b6a17x4f4cc99c07630c90@mail.gmail.com>

As I said in another thread, this is a GREAT idea.  I'm too much of an idiot
to implement something like this, but maybe others here have an idea of how
to get this sort of package together and distributable.

On 12/20/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the default
> Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever that is)
> packages from main/universe.
>
> This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without internet
> access.
>
> Burt
>
> --
> http://www.kochecke.at
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 16:32:29 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:32:29 +0100
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135094286.23086.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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hi,
Am Dienstag, den 20.12.2005, 09:58 -0600 schrieb Charles Malespin:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:20 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
> > Also turn off the unnecessary start up services/daemons
> > from rcconf or bum.
> > 
> > (bum will also tell you why are the services running for)
> > 
> 
> What are rcconf and bum?  Where are they and how do I change them?
> Tried man for both and it didnt have an entry.  Plus, I dont know which
> start up services or daemons to turn off cause I dont know which ones do
> what and if it might screw my system...
there is no real need to install either of them, the services-admin tool
is already there (in breezy at least)... 

ciao
	oli
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 20 16:33:23 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:33:23 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:20:10 +0000
Matthew Garrett <mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org> wrote:

> 
> An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email. 

Erm, Matthew, as far as I know, an out-of-the-box Ubuntu install runs cron
jobs. Are you saying these jobs don't generate email? If so, I
respectfully submit that you are wrong. Or are you saying that because we
don't see them they don't exist?

>Nothing is discarded. 

See above. Could you explain why, as soon as mailx and postfix are
installed I get messages from root? (Postfix installation asked me who to
send them to) Is this magic? Do the messages suddenly get generated as a
result of the user knowing that they *should* ? Wow, Ubuntu is not just
intelligent, but psychic!

>If you install anything that generates email, then it is your 
> responsibility to ensure that you have something that will process that 
> mail. 

I agree. The Ubuntu developers have installed cron/anacron (rightly). It
is therefore their responsibility to supply a mechanism for delivery of the
mail these things generate, is it not? How do you propose to square your
statement with this obvious fact? You are "hoist with your wn petard"
here, it would seem.

>If it's considered a vital part of the package functionality, then 
> that will be described in the package dependencies. 

Apparently something is broken in the dependencies, then.

> Postfix remains a 
> supported part of the Ubuntu distribution - the only difference between 
> the situation in Warty and the situation now is that it isn't installed 
> by default. However, it's *on the CD*.

But you just said that anything installed that generates mail should have
an MTA of some sort - and as I pointed out above, cron/anacron are
installed by default. So whose responsibility is it to install some kind
of MTA?

I am not writing this to be combative: I'm writing it because your
reasoning appears to be faulty here. You say one thing and do another?

> If you disagree with 
> any of the technical decisions, then please bring it up on ubuntu-devel. 
> However, if your only argument is that postfix should be installed by 
> default, then I'm afraid that it's not a situation that's likely to 
> change. 

I see. A very long thread appears on the users list, complaining about
functionality, and the response is to stand on your dig. Is it remotely
possible that some of the posts actually have some merit? Is it possible
that the developers have actually got it wrong?

> If you feel that it's vital for a distribution to come with an 
> MTA as part of the default desktop install, then I'm sorry. Ubuntu isn't 
> for you. It never was.

This misses the point totally. The issue is that important messages are
going to /dev/null. If you can suggest another way to implement a sensible
way to have those messages appear, please do. So far I see your reply as
an attempt to sweep people's concerns under the carpet. That is
disappointing indeed.



Peter


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:17:01 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:17:01 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
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	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <dsjl73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> Please desist libelling the developers.

Yes, please.
> 
> An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email. Nothing is
> discarded. 

Really?  Isn't cron installed by default?  It certainly is with kubuntu. It
does need mail capability - though part of the intention in removing mailx
was apparently to have essential mail delivered direct to a user's maildir.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Dec 20 15:48:08 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:48:08 -0400
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was Re: Ubuntu is under attack)
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Dick Davies wrote:

> On 20/12/05, Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> 
>> If no MTA is installed by default, I *can* guarantee that *all* mail
>> messages that installed utilities attempt to generate *MUST* go
>> to /dev/null, as there is no tool to send them anywhere else.  This may
>> be fine for a user who only has M$ as a reference poijt, but the idea
>> does NOT pass muster for anybody who has ever administered any *ix
>> system.
> 
> Can you explain where these essential emails are going to go?
> Because unless you configure it, they'll go to roots mailspool. Which
> isn't going to be checked anyway.

Surely that is a requirement of the 'cron' (or any other app that sends
email) postinst script.  It is, after all, a cron parameter and exactly the
sort of thing we usually use debconf for.

Some have said that we don't need an MTA _just_ for cron, but the fact is
that cron is one specific app that _is_ installed and needs to be able to
send mail.  Any app that needs to send mail also needs to either force a
dependency on _an_ MTA or have an alternative method of notifying a user. 
The real error here is that cron can be installed in such a way that it
_doesn't_ provide any notification.  If that's fixed in a way that doesn't
involve an MTA some people are going to be annoyed, but it would at least
be consistent.
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 16:54:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:54:03 -0500
Subject: X server Error
References: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


DO the following:

> sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Look for a the word *dri* and comment out the line.

HTH


-- 
amohanty



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 17:05:38 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:05:38 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the default
> Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever that is)
> packages from main/universe.
>
> This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without internet
> access.

Yes, it's here:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/



From radsky at ncia.net  Tue Dec 20 17:12:08 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:12:08 -0500
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
Message-ID: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>

I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
together in a list?

alex



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 17:29:32 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:29:32 -0800
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <9bjl73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <E1EoXtS-0000ib-9E@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
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Message-ID: <1135099772.26309.529.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 11:07 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:



<snip>
> 
> There's a button, and if you tabbed you'd get to it.  You just didn't have a
> high enough screen resolution to show the whole panel.
> 
> >

</snip>

Ok... I generally use ubuntu but, I tried Kubuntu  just for fun the
other day..   And sure enough I couldn't find that button...

I ended up setting my network setting from the command line... But, it
would have been easier with the GUI...

I don't know why that did occur to me..<TAB>

Guess I needed to be hit on the head,  <hehe>


Thanks

Vram



> 
> -- 
> derek
> 
> 




From sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com  Tue Dec 20 17:26:56 2005
From: sjoeboo at sjoeboo.com (Matthew Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:26:56 -0500
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <1135099616.11062.1.camel@localhost>

4.10 -> warty warthog
5.04 -> hoary hedgehog
5.10 -> breezy badger
6.04 -> dapper drake (development)


On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 12:12 -0500, alex wrote:
> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?
> 
> alex
> 




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Tue Dec 20 17:32:14 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:32:14 +0100
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 12:12 -0500, alex wrote:
> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?


Original release in october 2004: "Warty Warthog", Ubuntu 4.10

Then Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" in April 2005

Then the current release, Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"

Then the next release due in April 2006 all being well, Ubuntu 6.04,
"Dapper Drake"

Then after that, God (read SABDFL...) only knows how they will call it
next ;-)



--
Vince




From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 17:29:54 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:29:54 +0000
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <20051220172954.GG3536@riva.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 12:12:08PM -0500, alex wrote:
> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?

  http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec 20 17:33:06 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:33:06 -0700
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <43A84052.2070006@telusplanet.net>

Good morning!

> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?
Version 4.10			Warty Warthog
Version 5.04			Hoary Hedgehog
Version 5.10			Breezy Badger
Version 6.04			Dapper Drake

Note that the version numbers are derived from the last digit of the 
year of release and the number of the month released, so that 5.10 is a 
release from 2005 October.

HTH

Rob



From domeks at interia.pl  Tue Dec 20 17:34:36 2005
From: domeks at interia.pl (Dominik 'des' Szynk)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:34:36 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>

Eamonn Sullivan napisał(a):
> On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
> 
>>Hello!
>>
>>I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the default
>>Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever that is)
>>packages from main/universe.
>>
>>This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without internet
>>access.
> 
> 
> Yes, it's here:
> 
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
> 
AFAIK my friend have done this. He downloaded almost all available 
packages for the breezy release plus some extra security stuff and done 
a set of 3 DVD.


-- 
Dominik 'des' Szynk




From revant.one at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 17:43:37 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:13:37 +0530
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135096350.19758.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1135096350.19758.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Service admin doesnt gives details like bum
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From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Tue Dec 20 17:45:41 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:45:41 -0700
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net> <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <43A84345.3050905@telusplanet.net>

Ya know:

> Then after that, God (read SABDFL...) only knows how they will call it
> next ;-)

I'm kinda partial to Gnarly Narwhal, myself (little touch of the north 
to it -- sorta neat, eh?)

Rob



From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Tue Dec 20 18:18:33 2005
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:18:33 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Colin Watson <cjwatson at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> The reason everyone does it this way is so that their installer can
> actually complete properly without you having to select something
> manually from the boot menu. I wouldn't object to it being selectable in
> expert mode, but I maintain that it's the correct default.

I can accept that if it's selectable in expert mode. This kind of
flexibility is what drew me to linux in the first place. I'd just hate
to see it go away.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>



From m_epling at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 18:19:34 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:19:34 -0600
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <43A80505.9070108@wadesmart.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<43A80505.9070108@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43A84B36.3030003@comcast.net>

   i swear i have seen more crying around here ... look  ubuntu is 
designed to get you up to speed . forget what you know about windows and 
come at it as if you never run a computer bedore and learn from that 
mode . you will find ya approache to linux alot more enjoyable and alot 
of the people in the 3rd world are getting ubuntu even before windows 
and this is how they are learning ...folow the example





From ubuntu at mail1.entner.net  Tue Dec 20 18:23:52 2005
From: ubuntu at mail1.entner.net (Robert Entner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:23:52 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>
Message-ID: <200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>

On Tuesday 20 December 2005 18:34, Dominik 'des' Szynk wrote:
> Eamonn Sullivan napisał(a):
> > On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
> >>Hello!
> >>
> >>I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the
> >> default Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever
> >> that is) packages from main/universe.
> >>
> >>This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without
> >> internet access.
> >
> > Yes, it's here:
> >
> > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
>
> AFAIK my friend have done this. He downloaded almost all available
> packages for the breezy release plus some extra security stuff and done
> a set of 3 DVD.

I was also hoping that the DVD from the above URL would be what I am 
looking for.  But it seems that this is Ubuntu main + language packs.

Where is this 3 DVD set you are talking about?  Would be great if 
something like this was available for public.

Burt



From clivewoodfine at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 18:28:55 2005
From: clivewoodfine at gmail.com (Clive Woodfine)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:28:55 +0000
Subject: Psion-revo sync
In-Reply-To: <2feab1730512192209m3231389ah49ace2cfd7ffa075@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e7569270512191116w5ff67b70s@mail.gmail.com>
	<2feab1730512192209m3231389ah49ace2cfd7ffa075@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5e7569270512201028y3253b2aes@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/05, Tim T. <tim.timmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/19/05, Clive Woodfine <clivewoodfine at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if it is possible to use the revo with ubuntu to
> > synchronise the calander etc.?
>
>  Look for something called  plptools; no idea of the state of the project, I
> sold
>  my psion5 about a year ago (and still regret that..)
>
>  It is in ubuntu, and http://plptools.sourceforge.net/  is
> their home location.
>
>  TimT.
Thanks Tim. I have had a look at the web site but it looks as if
piptools would take more of my time than I have at present.

Clive W



From des at des.webd.pl  Tue Dec 20 18:33:19 2005
From: des at des.webd.pl (Dominik)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:19 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>	<43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>
	<200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <43A84E6F.3030808@des.webd.pl>

Robert Entner napisał(a):
> On Tuesday 20 December 2005 18:34, Dominik 'des' Szynk wrote:
> 
>>Eamonn Sullivan napisa�(a):
>>
>>>On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello!
>>>>
>>>>I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the
>>>>default Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever
>>>>that is) packages from main/universe.
>>>>
>>>>This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without
>>>>internet access.
>>>
>>>Yes, it's here:
>>>
>>>http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
>>
>>AFAIK my friend have done this. He downloaded almost all available
>>packages for the breezy release plus some extra security stuff and done
>>a set of 3 DVD.
> 
> 
> I was also hoping that the DVD from the above URL would be what I am 
> looking for.  But it seems that this is Ubuntu main + language packs.
> 
> Where is this 3 DVD set you are talking about?  Would be great if 
> something like this was available for public.
> 
> Burt
> 

He done it all manually, i mean downloaded, and prepared all 
repositories, and those DVD's, so I will ask him if he could provide it 
somewhere on the net or maybe the solution how he does it, because in my 
work it would also be a very helpfull, because not all computers in my 
company have access to the internet.

-- 
Dominik 'des' Szynk
--
Użytkownik to ktoś, kto powie ci czego chce w dniu w którym otrzymał to 
o co prosił.



From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Tue Dec 20 18:36:27 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:36:27 +0100
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1135103788.9760.27.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Dienstag, den 20.12.2005, 11:44 +0000 schrieb Terry North:
<snip>
> Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary user.  It
> isn't.  It's for geeks.  And, after this frustrating start, it'll have to wait
> until I have oodles of time to deal with it without aids that typically simplify
> the process elsewhere.  The resolution thing troubles me because I found during
> installation that I could not alter certain settings although invited to do so
> and, as I say, even Redmond gets that right.
<snip>

now that was funny. 

what's not that funny is you're attitude.
i mean, instead of telling us why you hate Kubuntu, you betted asked why
kubuntu s*cks so hard for you when tens of thousands of others enjoy it
in everyday use. 

the answer is:
you made the wrong decision in choosing kubuntu. and you made the wrong
decision in telling us that you hate it and that ubuntu is for geeks.
this states that you really don't know what you're talking about.
which is in no means wrong or whatever, but it's your attitude that
s*cks and not the software you blame.

i read this list for a long, long time now and i can tell you, that if
you ask nicely you'll get a boatload of nice and constructive answers. 
asking silly you'll probably end up getting answers like this one you're
actually reading.

ulrich
-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 18:58:48 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:58:48 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:18 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> This kind of
> flexibility is what drew me to linux in the first place. I'd just hate
> to see it go away. 

The real fexibility lies n the command line and text-based config files
though, and you can always edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. Nobody is taking
anything away




From andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 18:59:50 2005
From: andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com (Andrew Jorgensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:59:50 -0700
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <fb2ac3c90512201059k56257bdxd3bf766c8bfb82ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary user.  It
> isn't.  It's for geeks.

(When I refer to "you" below I refer to the original poster mostly and
those who agree with him)

Good technology of any kind is always hardest to use for newbies (I'm
using the term newbies to refer to those working to become experts but
not there yet).  Experts and non-technical users both do just fine. 
There are many examples of this principle.  Your comments are one good
example.  Go ask your companies IT staff which users give them the
most trouble and I can assure you they'll agree with me that it's the
ones who are smart enough to get themselves in trouble but not
experienced enough to get themselves out.

Bicycles are another great example.  I have many friends and relatives
who own bicycles.  The ones who know how to repair them have bicycles
in good repair.  The ones who only ride them and have no interest in
learning how to repair them also have theirs in good repair.  The ones
(like me) who know something about it and could probably fix it
themselves with a little effort rarely ride bicycles because they are
usually broken.

LaTeX (or TeX) is another wonderful example of this principle.  LaTeX
is a very powerful document preparation system, but more importantly
it's very smart and generally does "the right thing".  A good rule of
thumb when using it is to remember that it knows best and you don't. 
If you trust it and let it do it's thing it will produce beatiful
output.  If you fight with it and try to make it do things the way you
think they should be done you will be very frustrated and think it's
an awful program with no flexibility.  If, going further, you really
learn what it's about and how to manipulate it you can make it do what
you want with relative ease.

Your trouble is that you are somewhere on the steep learning curve
that will take you from the bliss of ignorance to the power of
expertise.  In this limbo in the middle you will often find yourself
frustrated.  Don't give up and don't get surly.  Consider it your
baptism of fire.  Once it's over and you truly become an expert (yes,
I'm sure you're already an expert at many things already) I think
you'll agree that what Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) are trying to do with
usability is not far from the best they could possibly do.

I, for one, am grateful for the simplicity and cleanliness I've
enjoyed while using Ubuntu.  My wife, my sister-in-law and my
brother-in-law all use Ubuntu quite happily.  They are ordinary users.
 You, unfortunately, are not an ordinary user but rather a user on his
way to becoming a power-user (or hacker, or whatever it is you're
working toward).  I'm sorry that the transition isn't more comfortable
for you.  I think that's the way it needs to be.  No pain no gain.

That's not to say that all of your points were invalid.  There's still
much work to be done, particularly with X.

- Andrew Jorgensen



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 19:26:41 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:26:41 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery

Then the description is wrong:

aptitude show popularity-contest
Package: popularity-contest
Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, dpkg (>= 1.10) | dpkg-awk
Recommends: cron, exim4 | mail-transport-agent, mime-construct
Description: Vote for your favourite packages automatically
 When you install this package, it sets up a cron job that will
anonymously e-mail the Debian developers periodically ...

How -does- popcon get the information out if not by mail?

Anyway, this does not have anything to do with the fact that at least
cron -does- try to send mail, and IMHO if this mail can't be delivered,
cron should be considered broken.

I can't find any in packages.debian.org or google right now, but I
distinctly remember that I've seen very simple MTAs that can only
deliver locally. This would fulfill any dependency on
mail-transfer-agent, and need just a tiny amount of space on the cd.
Evolution could have a default setup with a filter that filters system
mail into a "System Messages" folder.

Regards,
Mario




From Thomas.Karnes at hp.com  Tue Dec 20 19:29:31 2005
From: Thomas.Karnes at hp.com (Thomas Karnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:29:31 -0600
Subject: 5.10 "Breezy Badger and SMP
Message-ID: <1135106971.8477.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I was not able to find the SMP Kernel in Synaptic Package Manager? Here
is what I'm running now: Linux version 2.6.12-9-386. Any suggestions?

Tom




From cjwatson at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 19:28:49 2005
From: cjwatson at ubuntu.com (Colin Watson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:28:49 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051220192849.GH3536@riva.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:18:33PM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 12/20/05, Colin Watson <cjwatson at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > The reason everyone does it this way is so that their installer can
> > actually complete properly without you having to select something
> > manually from the boot menu. I wouldn't object to it being selectable in
> > expert mode, but I maintain that it's the correct default.
> 
> I can accept that if it's selectable in expert mode.

Patches welcome :-)

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson at ubuntu.com]



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 20 19:59:19 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:59:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SPAM=Re: Ubuntu is under attack. Administrators responsibility.
In-Reply-To: <1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain><43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com><1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org><1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com><1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>> ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery
>
> Then the description is wrong:
>
> aptitude show popularity-contest
... this is spam too - as it do not consern the subject!

What is spam? That is when members or anybody post Emails with headlines
and talk of enything else in the mails to promote themselves or a subject
not relevant!

Especially if anyone from outside find 40-50 Emails about "Ubuntu is under
attack" they would avoid that distribution if they act sensible.

For that reason I suggest the administrator to through out people that
continue spamming with the subject "Ubuntu is under attack".

Alternatively people that do not want spam go in stead - so you have only
the spammers left. This is the administrators responsibility who you
choise!

Regards

Phillip





From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 20:07:50 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:07:50 +0100
Subject: 5.10 "Breezy Badger and SMP
In-Reply-To: <1135106971.8477.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135106971.8477.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135109270.4951.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:29 -0600, Thomas Karnes wrote:
> I was not able to find the SMP Kernel in Synaptic Package Manager? Here
> is what I'm running now: Linux version 2.6.12-9-386. Any suggestions?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-10-686-smp if
you have a Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV with
SMP support.

Otherwise one of
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/kernel-image-2.6.11-9-em64t-p4-smp
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-10-iseries-smp
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-10-k7-smp
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-10-powerpc-smp
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-10-powerpc64-smp

Found by searching at packages.ubuntu.com :)
http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=smp&searchon=all&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all

Kind regards,
Mario




From ogra at ubuntu.com  Tue Dec 20 20:22:12 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:22:12 +0100
Subject: popcon (was: Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135110132.19758.42.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 20.12.2005, 20:26 +0100 schrieb Mario Vukelic:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> > ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery
> 
> Then the description is wrong:
yup, you are right ... as well as the dependencys on python are missing,
i'll correct that in dapper...
--------------
ogra at honk:~/popularity-contest-1.31ubuntu1 $ head -3
popcon-upload-ubuntu

#!/usr/bin/env python

import httplib, mimetypes, sys
-------------

ciao
	oli
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From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 20:24:34 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:24:34 +0100
Subject: OFFTOPIC [was: Re: SPAM=Re: Ubuntu is under attack. Administrators
	responsibility.]
In-Reply-To: <25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <1135110274.4951.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Funnily enough, your mail seems to be a reply to mine according to the
mail thread, but you wrote,

">> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:",

so I guess you replied to Oliver. Talk about botching a reply :)

Please get off your soapbox and don't try to have Oliver Grawert
<ogra at ubuntu.com> banned from the list, I would miss him. Or anyone else
for that matter, and over a minor annoyance. And please don't call
perfectly legitimate posts by other people "spam". If you want to go on
your personal vendetta here, reply instead with "WRONGSUBJECT" or some
such, so that I can filter your noise away.

It is still the same thread. Personally I find it annoying when subject
lines are frequently renamed mid-thread, because I lose track of
threads. 

Thank you,
Mario




From whb at ceimaine.org  Tue Dec 20 20:25:10 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:25:10 -0500
Subject: Positive tone on these lists
Message-ID: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9A92B0@email.empower.ceimaine.org>

I hope the recent lively discussions on this list can remain positive
and constructive.  I think many people were attracted to Ubuntu because
of the focus on respect and community.  It would be a shame to lose that
strength.


--
Will Backman - Network Administrator
Coastal Enterprises, Inc.
http://www.ceimaine.org




From james at grayonline.id.au  Tue Dec 20 20:31:00 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:31:00 +1100
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <43A7CB7E.8060502@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<200512201919.53465.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<43A7CB7E.8060502@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512210731.03886.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:14, Tony Arnold wrote:
> James Gray wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> >>On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:40 -0800, Vram wrote:
> >>>Vince
> >>>It was rejected at the ISP...
> >>>Not me..
> >>
> >>Yes that's what I said: "your mail server", obviously equals to "you
> >>ISP" ;-)
> >
> > Hmmm - I guess people like me with their own mail servers don't need to
> > worry then :P  FWIW, I haven't used a mail server I don't directly
> > admin in over 5 years...ISP mail servers are horrid beasts that suffer
> > exactly the sort of problems the OP is having.  I control my servers,
> > and my IP range, so if someone relays through my servers (hahah good
> > luck!) it's my own stupid fault :P
>
> It's not necessarily relaying causing this. It just needs a compromised
> PC that uses the ISP to start sending out SPAM through their mail
> router, and things like SpamCop and others will black list the mail
> router. Other mail routers may check the black list and refuse to accept
> mail from such machines.

Yep - there are a few RBL's I don't use as their policies for black listing 
and then getting the IP or range cleared are just plain stupid.  Case at 
hand; a customer of our ISP who shares the same /24 block as us (we have 64 
addresses, they have a different 64 address block in the same /24 range) 
was an open relay.  So a few RBL's black listed the entire 254 address /24 
block...including our mail servers!  Idiots.  Took me two weeks to fix it 
all up.

> This happens to us at my University, and we have some very carefully and
> tightly controlled mail routers.
>
> Ideally, it should be the originating machine and not the mail router
> that should be blocked, but it's not a perfect world!

Exactly the reason why we scan outgoing mail as well as incoming.  If an 
outgoing message is classified as spam, it gets quarantined and the user 
notified.  Only IT Operations staff can release it from quarantine.  Same 
deal for viruses, except the user isn't normally notified as the sender's 
address is usually forged.  I run the same logic on my mail server at 
home :)

Mail administration is challenging but I find it immensely rewarding too.

James
-- 
Is there any truth to the rumor that the number appearing after the words 
"Microsoft Windows" is the minimum amount of memory, in megabytes, required 
for execution?
                -- Craig Milo Rogers
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From hometoast at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 20:38:32 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:38:32 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <43A84E6F.3030808@des.webd.pl>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>
	<200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<43A84E6F.3030808@des.webd.pl>
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Get him to throw up a torrent.

On 12/20/05, Dominik <des at des.webd.pl> wrote:
>
> He done it all manually, i mean downloaded, and prepared all
> repositories, and those DVD's, so I will ask him if he could provide it
> somewhere on the net or maybe the solution how he does it, because in my
> work it would also be a very helpfull, because not all computers in my
> company have access to the internet.
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 20:20:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:20:39 -0500
Subject: philips DVD on Dell Optiplex 620
References: <d923543b0512141149o10212dfw433ce98067f7bbaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mjand.20cvsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I am having the exact same problem.  Have you found a solution?


-- 
mjand



From mrmazda at ij.net  Tue Dec 20 20:39:54 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:39:54 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>

Mario Vukelic wrote:
 
> The real fexibility lies n the command line and text-based config files
> though, and you can always edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. Nobody is taking
> anything away

Maybe that's true technically, but I consider any distro that omits an
OFM* from a default, or even more particularly, minimal, CD install, to
be unnecessarily crippled. I put Edubuntu on my kid's machine because of
what it claims to offer her, but for other installs I'm sticking with
distros that aren't crippled this way.

To anyone used to an OFM, there is no such thing as a substitute. It's a
major PITA to spend so much time after an install trying to get to where
you should have been started from.

* http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/index.shtml
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From tabbox at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 20:53:27 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:53:27 -0600
Subject: KVM / Wireless Card - Any Suggestions for a Breezy Box?
Message-ID: <e1bca4870512201253k1bdf59d7gabfbf548db3fb818@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking at KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switches.  They list Hot
Keys, Manual Switches, Push Buttons and OSD (?).  I would like to get
one that includes audio also.  Knowing that sound can sometimes be
tricky I was looking for any recommendations or suggestions.  Nothing
fancy,  just something to muck around with.  I do not know how there
could really be any problems but I just figured I would ask.

I am also looking for a wireless card version g.  Have read everything
I could find on the matter - wiki, etc. - but am still uncertain on a
brand.  Any suggestions on one that I can just, more or less, slap in
and have it operate.

I have been very impressed with the latest version of Ubuntu and if
the next one shows as much improvement as Breezy everyone should chip
in and buy the team a Giant Cookie :)  i have now converted over three
 virus filled neighborhood computers to Ubuntu.  Since most
manufactures do not include a sir bill os disk any more there is just
more opportunity for Ubuntu to come to the rescue.

Thanks for any suggestions.


Tab

back to viewing the Attack Against Ubuntu-



From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 20:58:54 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:58:54 +0000
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was Re: Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <omll73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135058725.6778.320.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512200024o18f1a65biaa06c085f4b9a3d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071127.27431.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3f1760512200310u5257b7bap@mail.gmail.com>
	<omll73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051220205854.GA4819@srcf.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:48:08AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:

> Some have said that we don't need an MTA _just_ for cron, but the fact is
> that cron is one specific app that _is_ installed and needs to be able to
> send mail.  Any app that needs to send mail also needs to either force a
> dependency on _an_ MTA or have an alternative method of notifying a user. 
> The real error here is that cron can be installed in such a way that it
> _doesn't_ provide any notification.  If that's fixed in a way that doesn't
> involve an MTA some people are going to be annoyed, but it would at least
> be consistent.

Right. So the real issue here isn't there's a missing MTA, but that 
notification isn't happening. For a desktop system, an MTA-based setup 
is actually a pretty poor solution. Without the user setting up a 
.forward or configuring their mail client to read the local spool, then 
they won't receive any notification. Integrating this into some sort of 
notification applet would seem a better idea.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 20:41:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:41:42 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
Message-ID: <Abandon.20cwpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I did! A year ago while using Mandriva but now in love with Ubuntu 5.10.
Don' t mis windows a bit. A second machine in hous is a Apple Powerbook
but that' s a dual boot with Ubuntu. The only thing I use from
Microsoft are their mouses ;-)


-- 
Abandon



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 20 20:59:39 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:59:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: OFFTOPIC [was: Re: SPAM=Re: Ubuntu is under attack. 
 Administrators responsibility.]
In-Reply-To: <1135110274.4951.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain><43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com><1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org><1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com><1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain><1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain><25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<1135110274.4951.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <25645.213.237.42.134.1135112379.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

"> On Tirsdag, 20/12 2005, 21:24, Mario Vukelic wrote:",
...
> Please get off your soapbox and don't try to have Oliver Grawert
> <ogra at ubuntu.com> banned from the list, I would miss him. Or anyone else
> for that matter, and over a minor annoyance.
Wrong - major annoyance! I do not go for one of you specificly - but
anyone that SPAM this ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com:

The subject "Ubuntu is under attack"
I call "WRONGSUBJECT" = "SPAM" when people continue for long time
disregarding that they do "WRONGSUBJECT".
> perfectly legitimate posts by other people "spam". If you want to go on
> your personal vendetta here, reply instead with "WRONGSUBJECT" or some
> such, so that I can filter your noise away.
You are welcome to filter my relevant opjections away. No problem - please
be serious!

Someone need to be the "soapbox" to wash spammers away from the lists! Let
the administrator look on the thread "Ubuntu is under attack" and you got
a problem.

Regards

Phillip



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 21:07:22 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:07:22 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
Message-ID: <1135112842.4951.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> Maybe that's true technically, but I consider any distro that omits an
> OFM* from a default, or even more particularly, minimal, CD install,
> to be unnecessarily crippled.

IMHO that's ridiculous. mc is in universe, so what? If people would get
it in their heads that a single CD install with a high-quality package
set makes it impossible to have a package for every single fringe case
in the default, we'd have 50% less traffic on the list ;)

If you have good reasons, file a wishlist bug in bugzilla and
demonstrate why it would be a good idea to kick some other package to
include an OFM. 
I can only imagine it might be handy in case of system repair, but live
CDs have taken care of that for a very long time for me.

Kind regards,
Mario




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 21:07:35 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:07:35 -0700
Subject: bloated setup?
In-Reply-To: <1135094286.23086.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135012685.9506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1135015310.8612.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<e06f2acd0512192050qefd2fb8l2d767b9f392541bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135094286.23086.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A87297.1070701@angrykeyboarder.com>

Charles Malespin wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:20 +0530, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
>> Also turn off the unnecessary start up services/daemons
>> from rcconf or bum.
>> 
>> (bum will also tell you why are the services running for)
>> 
> 
> What are rcconf and bum? 

apt-cache show rcconf
apt-cache show bum

> Where are they and how do I change them?
> Tried man for both and it didnt have an entry. 

You don't have them installed (yet).  They are not installed by default


> Plus, I dont know which
> start up services or daemons to turn off cause I dont know which ones do
> what and if it might screw my system...

Take a look @ bum after installing it.  You're under no obligation to 
make any changes. Therefore you won't "screw up your system" unless you 
try. ;-)

Here's more info on bum.

http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bumdocs.html

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 21:07:53 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:07:53 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:33:23AM +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:

> Erm, Matthew, as far as I know, an out-of-the-box Ubuntu install runs cron
> jobs. Are you saying these jobs don't generate email? If so, I
> respectfully submit that you are wrong. Or are you saying that because we
> don't see them they don't exist?

Ok, let me rephrase that. An out of the box install /shouldn't/ be 
generating mail. If it is, then I think we're doing something wrong :) 
It's unacceptable for it to be generating anything important, because 
unless a user is playing with the terminal then there's no way of them 
finding out that that mail exists.

> I see. A very long thread appears on the users list, complaining about
> functionality, and the response is to stand on your dig. Is it remotely
> possible that some of the posts actually have some merit? Is it possible
> that the developers have actually got it wrong?

>From the point of view of removing an MTA by default? No, I think that's 
the correct decision. The argument that there should be some way for 
cron output to end up being given to the user is a much stronger one, 
but I don't think just adding an MTA back is the right way of fixing 
that. 

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From jlalarcon at gawab.com  Tue Dec 20 21:18:58 2005
From: jlalarcon at gawab.com (Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:18:58 +0100
Subject: First lines of dmesg
Message-ID: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Friends.

Where are the First lines of the output of dmesg command?

When i type dmesg in my Ubuntu GNU/Linux system, i can't see the
"tipycal" 2 or 3 lines telling what version of the kernel is it, system
where was compiled, version of the gcc used, etc...

Anybody knows?.

Thanks, in advance.

Regards.

Jose.


-- 
http://www.lordofunix.org/

Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
Registered BSD User 51101.
Registered Linux User #213309.
Memories..... You are talking about memories. 
Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.




From support at bigriverinfotech.com  Tue Dec 20 21:23:24 2005
From: support at bigriverinfotech.com (Raymond)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:23:24 -0500
Subject: Infrared Mouse
Message-ID: <1135113804.7751.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Have Dell Dimension 4500 and wish to replace original Dell mouse with
infrared model. Advice or caveats would be greatly appreciated.

Raymond




From xrdawson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 21:36:02 2005
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:36:02 -0800
Subject: First lines of dmesg
In-Reply-To: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30512201336m43bcd93v99f34e196f5fbde4@mail.gmail.com>

dmesg | head

These commands might be helpful as well.

uname -a
lsb_release -a

Chris

On 12/20/05, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez <jlalarcon at gawab.com> wrote:
> Hi Friends.
>
> Where are the First lines of the output of dmesg command?
>
> When i type dmesg in my Ubuntu GNU/Linux system, i can't see the
> "tipycal" 2 or 3 lines telling what version of the kernel is it, system
> where was compiled, version of the gcc used, etc...
>
> Anybody knows?.
>
> Thanks, in advance.
>
> Regards.
>
> Jose.
>
>
> --
> http://www.lordofunix.org/
>
> Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
> Registered BSD User 51101.
> Registered Linux User #213309.
> Memories..... You are talking about memories.
> Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 20 21:43:57 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:57 -0500
Subject: First lines of dmesg
In-Reply-To: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A87B1D.5090802@earthlink.net>

Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez wrote:
> Hi Friends.
> 
> Where are the First lines of the output of dmesg command?
> 
> When i type dmesg in my Ubuntu GNU/Linux system, i can't see the
> "tipycal" 2 or 3 lines telling what version of the kernel is it, system
> where was compiled, version of the gcc used, etc...
> 
> Anybody knows?.
> 
> Thanks, in advance.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Jose.

Jose:
dmesg | less in a terminal does it.

-- cmg



From monotux at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 21:45:13 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:45:13 +0100
Subject: Infrared Mouse
In-Reply-To: <1135113804.7751.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135113804.7751.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051220224513.1a8c7a6a.monotux@gmail.com>

Any modern logitech / microsoft / labtec mouse should work.
Go for USB, tho.

Oscar

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:23:24 -0500
Raymond <support at bigriverinfotech.com> wrote:

> Have Dell Dimension 4500 and wish to replace original Dell mouse with
> infrared model. Advice or caveats would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Raymond
> 
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 20 21:52:00 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:52:00 +1100
Subject: Resolution? (was: inflammatory "Ubuntu is under attack")
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:07:53 +0000
Matthew Garrett <mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:33:23AM +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> 
> > Erm, Matthew, as far as I know, an out-of-the-box Ubuntu install runs cron
> > jobs. Are you saying these jobs don't generate email? If so, I
> > respectfully submit that you are wrong. Or are you saying that because we
> > don't see them they don't exist?
> 
> Ok, let me rephrase that. An out of the box install /shouldn't/ be 
> generating mail. If it is, then I think we're doing something wrong :) 
> It's unacceptable for it to be generating anything important, because 
> unless a user is playing with the terminal then there's no way of them 
> finding out that that mail exists.

OK - and thanks for replying. I agree that unless the user "plays with the
terminal" or someone has configured their mail client to read the mail
spool, it is unlikely that they will see "You have mail". or know what to
do to read it. 

Some of the points made by others include the notion that a
system administrator could find the messages useful. In that context,
"System Administrator" might mean "Local geek friend", "Experienced family
member" or " IT person helping boss with laptop".

Any of those people might "play with the terminal" (in fact I expect they
would do so on a regular basis ;-) 

A situation where the messsage might be useful and important , as an
example, might be after a bad system shutdown, when files appear in "lost
+found", and cron advises that this has happened.
> 
> > I see. A very long thread appears on the users list, complaining about
> > functionality, and the response is to stand on your dig. Is it remotely
> > possible that some of the posts actually have some merit? Is it possible
> > that the developers have actually got it wrong?
> 
> >From the point of view of removing an MTA by default? No, I think that's 
> the correct decision. The argument that there should be some way for 
> cron output to end up being given to the user is a much stronger one, 
> but I don't think just adding an MTA back is the right way of fixing 
> that. 

We all look forward to a solution then :)

Thanks for the positive input.

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From gcarzino at tiscali.it  Tue Dec 20 21:52:41 2005
From: gcarzino at tiscali.it (Gian Piero Carzino)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:52:41 +0100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
Message-ID: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>

This is the story (first part: see at end) of an installation on a
(quite handsome) AMD 64 based notebook.

I am writing this to help other people to avoid long trial and error
experiences.

First of all, making it boot: you need some parameter, otherwise the
installation CD simply won't start (this may happen sometimes with
notebooks). It goes black screen and everything freezes.
In my case neither "vga=771" nor "noapic nolapic" alone would make the
point, but I had to use both at a time.

The second point was more terrifying, as it happened something I still
cannot completely track down: I decided to leave a little partition with
the (preloaded) O.S... a NTFS partition, you know.
This is mainly because BIOS upgrade are unfortunately released often
only in windows executable format.

There must have been something wrong with the NTFS partition, because
ntfsresize (a program that is called by the partitoning dialog) was not
able to do its work.
The problem is that the error message was terse: a line about a cluster
been incoherent, or something.
I tried defragmenting the HD, rebooting windows, no complains! The O.S.
looked like running happily, but there were no way to make linux even
see how much space was used in the NTFS partition, let alone resizing it.
I even loaded a Knoppix, just to see if the HD was visible at all.
Than, at 04:00 I found a tiny rescue distribution (RIP) which has the
newest version of ntfsresize, and that one told me the hint:

from windows you must run "chkdsk /f" and reboot twice

This odd procedure made the trick, and from that moment on, the
partitioning dialog began to work.

Everything went smooth, as most hardware were correctly detected.

But at the moment of starting X, it couldn't.

The ATI video card was detected. The correct ati driver from xorg
selected, but no way.
Appearently the monitor was not recognized (apart from the resolution of
1280x800) nor even for the fact of being a LCD.

Mangling with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" was of no help, because
the monitor section (which usually saves me on notebooks, giving in
"Medium level" the resolution at freq as found in windows or knoppix)
doesn't have a 1280x800 entry.

At the end I managed to see the relaxing colors of ubuntu (but blurred,
as they are in emulation, and not in native resolution) changing the
driver from "ati" to "vesa", but this is not the final solution, as I
will eventually load the ATI proprietary driver
(fglrx64_6_8_0-8.20.8-1.x86_64.rpm as mentioned in some other lists)
when I will solve the dipendencies of the rpm package...

But that is another story, as I can't go to bed at dawn every night.

-- 
Gian Piero Carzino
<gcarzino at tiscali.it>



From mrmazda at ij.net  Tue Dec 20 21:53:46 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:53:46 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
	<1135112842.4951.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A87D6A.5107@ij.net>

Mario Vukelic wrote:
 
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

> > Maybe that's true technically, but I consider any distro that omits an
> > OFM* from a default, or even more particularly, minimal, CD install,
> > to be unnecessarily crippled.
 
> IMHO that's ridiculous. mc is in universe, so what? If people would get
> it in their heads that a single CD install with a high-quality package
> set makes it impossible to have a package for every single fringe case
> in the default, we'd have 50% less traffic on the list ;)

It's only fringe in the sense that the best of sysadmins are its main
users and proponents. It's one of the reasons they are the best. If you
want to alienate such people from your distro, this is an excellent way
to do it.

I'm not familiar with all distros, but I do know that when I do a
default install of Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE or Xandros, mc is ready when I
am to finish what the installer failed to finish, system configuration,
and proceed with system administration, and without wasting time pulling
off an internet connection that may not be available just to get where
you should have been to start with.
 
> If you have good reasons, file a wishlist bug in bugzilla and
> demonstrate why it would be a good idea to kick some other package to
> include an OFM.

OFMs are about complete administration in one very convenient, very
efficient, very compact utility. Distro admins who don't have the wisdom
to include an OFM don't deserve success for their distro. Knowledgeable
sysadmins will continue to stick with distros that understand this. I
don't need to file a bug, because I'm content to stick with the others.
If you want a distro worth switching to, you file a bug.

> I can only imagine it might be handy in case of system repair, but live
> CDs have taken care of that for a very long time for me.

The live CD I use is Knoppix. Knoppix includes mc. 
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 20 21:58:06 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:58:06 +1100
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was Re: Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <20051220205854.GA4819@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135058725.6778.320.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512200024o18f1a65biaa06c085f4b9a3d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071127.27431.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3f1760512200310u5257b7bap@mail.gmail.com>
	<omll73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051220205854.GA4819@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <20051221085806.0b885377.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:58:54 +0000
Matthew Garrett <mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org> wrote:

> Right. So the real issue here isn't there's a missing MTA, but that 
> notification isn't happening. 

Bingo :)

> For a desktop system, an MTA-based setup 
> is actually a pretty poor solution. Without the user setting up a 
> .forward or configuring their mail client to read the local spool, then 
> they won't receive any notification. Integrating this into some sort of 
> notification applet would seem a better idea.

I guess this could be made to inform the "default" sudo user - i.e. the
de-facto "System Administrator"

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 20 22:04:06 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:04:06 -0600
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
Message-ID: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>

I DLed from:
http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
what, to my mind and according to the site (PC (Intel x86) live CD), is
a live CD.  After burning and attempting to run it I found it was
trying to install.  Of course, I disallowed that.  In reading the
documentation on the newly-burned CD I find that it refers to Breezy
Badger, not Dapper Drake.  Is there something wrong with this daily
build live CD and it's not really live or have I made another stupid
mistake?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
"We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds."
		Linus Torvalds 



From jlalarcon at gawab.com  Tue Dec 20 22:06:38 2005
From: jlalarcon at gawab.com (Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:06:38 +0100
Subject: First lines of dmesg
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512201336m43bcd93v99f34e196f5fbde4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<659b9ea30512201336m43bcd93v99f34e196f5fbde4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135116398.14987.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On mar, 2005-12-20 at 13:36 -0800, Chris Dawson wrote:
> On 12/20/05, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez <jlalarcon at gawab.com> wrote:
> > Hi Friends.
> >
> > Where are the First lines of the output of dmesg command?
> >
> > When i type dmesg in my Ubuntu GNU/Linux system, i can't see the
> > "tipycal" 2 or 3 lines telling what version of the kernel is it, system
> > where was compiled, version of the gcc used, etc...
> >
> > Anybody knows?.
> >
> > Thanks, in advance.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Jose.
> >
> dmesg | head
> 
> These commands might be helpful as well.
> 
> uname -a
> lsb_release -a
> 
> Chris
>

Nop! :(

Thanks for the commands, Chris, they are very useful. Thanks to Carroll
Grigsby too. But i am very curious about why dmesg, in Ubuntu, don't
show this lines (the first lines ever in all kernels boot messages):


"Linux version 2.2.14-5.0 (root at porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1 Tue Mar 7 20:53:41
EST 2000....."


This example is a "little" old, kernel 2.2, but kernel 2.6 continue
having this lines (at least in other distros), why Ubuntu don't show
it?.

Anybody knows about this issue?.

Thanks you, very much.

Regards.

Jose.


-- 
http://www.lordofunix.org/

Not Registered GNU/Hurd User.
Registered BSD User 51101.
Registered Linux User #213309.
Memories..... You are talking about memories. 
Rick Deckard. Blade Runner.




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Tue Dec 20 22:08:34 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:08:34 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:07, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >From the point of view of removing an MTA by default? No, I think that's 
> the correct decision. The argument that there should be some way for 
> cron output to end up being given to the user is a much stronger one, 
> but I don't think just adding an MTA back is the right way of fixing 
> that. 

OK, I'm often using one of my desktops at the time cron runs, but
they're a couple of miles apart so I can't really watch both.
What if the grandkids are playing a game when a problem arises?
What if a normal person tries to use Ubuntu and is in bed at 1am
when cron runs?  What about mail notifications from "mdadm -F"
and the gadget which I haven't figured out which sends emails
when a non-sudoer is running KDE as root?

Why not just send the notification into the regular mail stream
which pretty much everyone checks?  It could be root at localhost
in the middle of the Sahara, myguru at support.firm for schools
and busineses, or me at myisp.com for the techno cogniscenti.  It
can be /dev/null for some of the people on this list if that's
what they want.

If you're going to change how cron works, who gets to write
Ubuntu-ized versions of the all apps out there?  The little
cronjobs tend to just write to stdout/stderr but the fancier
applications tend to package it all up nicely and then pipe
it to mail with a nice subject line.

This crusade against email breaks applications that you and
I have never heard of.  It breaks the "Just Works" promise
and it prevents LSB 3.0 compliance which will soon start to
mean that applications won't be certified to run on Ubuntu
and people will be advised to go with a better distro.
It hurts security (lost warning messages) and it doesn't
help security (daemon on 127.0.0.1 is not open to internet).

And the upside is?

--Mike Bird




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Tue Dec 20 22:13:16 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:13:16 -0800
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A84345.3050905@telusplanet.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net> <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>
	<43A84345.3050905@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <1135116797.26309.541.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:45 -0700, Hodgins Family wrote:
> Ya know:
> 
> > Then after that, God (read SABDFL...) only knows how they will call it
> > next ;-)
> 
> I'm kinda partial to Gnarly Narwhal, myself (little touch of the north 
> to it -- sorta neat, eh?)
> 
> Rob
> 

Hey... I like that also..


Vram





From andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 22:13:27 2005
From: andrew.jorgensen at gmail.com (Andrew Jorgensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:13:27 -0700
Subject: KVM / Wireless Card - Any Suggestions for a Breezy Box?
In-Reply-To: <e1bca4870512201253k1bdf59d7gabfbf548db3fb818@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1bca4870512201253k1bdf59d7gabfbf548db3fb818@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb2ac3c90512201413t2368a8f0n40c4afbfffb5baa1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Tab Gilbert <tabbox at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am also looking for a wireless card version g.  Have read everything
> I could find on the matter - wiki, etc. - but am still uncertain on a
> brand.  Any suggestions on one that I can just, more or less, slap in
> and have it operate.

You didn't mention what interface (PCI or Cardbus) but I've bought
several Foxconn WLL-3350 cards.  They have an rt2500 chipset which is
supported in Breezy.  Now that I mention it though I think rt2500
still doesn't work with SMP.  Anyway the foxconn card is also one of
the cheapest available and has a nice external antenna.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833194001



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 22:25:49 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:25:49 +0500
Subject: System Monitor/Services
In-Reply-To: <43A7E96A.3050608@optusnet.com.au>
References: <E1EoMC8-00075t-JQ@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43A71F77.2050604@gmail.com> <43A7E96A.3050608@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <43A884ED.80202@gmail.com>

Sasha Tsykin wrote:

> There is a difference between the gnome-keyring-daemon, SSHD and 
> HTTPS. SSHD is a daemon which runs a particular type of secure 
> connections, SSH and corresponds to the SSH programs. HTTPS is just a 
> version of the HTTP protocol, and thus requires no extra program to 
> connect to it besides one which is aware of the HTTP protocol, for 
> example Mozilla firefox, or thunderbird. Similarly, the 
> gnome-keyring-daemon just protects passwords, and since thunderbird at 
> least keeps it's passwords itself,and doesn't farm that task out to 
> third party applications, it doesn't need it to connect to gmail or 
> any other secure server. Other mail browsers, for example KMail, do 
> rely on other programs for these tasks.
>
> As for Bonobo, killing it has no effect because it only keeps records. 
> Like KNotify, for example. It keeps records, and occasionally pops up 
> messages, but that's it. It does not in any way interact with other 
> programs, and thus they do not rely on it for anything. You are 
> incurring no risk by ending it, but it is relatively pointless because 
> as you have observed, it restarts itself regularly.
>
> Asif Lodhi wrote:
>
>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>>
>> I am curious about these services because I can connect to GMail 
>> (which logs you in via HTTPS) even though I "end" both of the above 
>> services - gnome-keyring-daemon & SSHD.  In addition, Bonobo 
>> Activation Server keeps starts again the moment I run another app 
>> from Gnome but "end"ing it doesn't do any harm to anything.  OR am I 
>> incurring some kind of a risk by "end"ing these services from System 
>> Monitor?
>
>

Thank you very much, Sasha.  I am clear about these programs now.

-- 
Thanks again,

Asif




From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Tue Dec 20 22:27:51 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:27:51 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:08:34PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:

> Why not just send the notification into the regular mail stream
> which pretty much everyone checks?  It could be root at localhost
> in the middle of the Sahara, myguru at support.firm for schools
> and busineses, or me at myisp.com for the techno cogniscenti.  It
> can be /dev/null for some of the people on this list if that's
> what they want.

Becuse the assumption that pretty much everyone checks the regular mail 
stream is inaccurate. In a default install (even pre-Breezy) that mail 
doesn't go anywhere that most users are likely to see it. My girlfriend 
doesn't go around opening terminals in order to check whether any cron 
mail has turned up.

> If you're going to change how cron works, who gets to write
> Ubuntu-ized versions of the all apps out there?  The little
> cronjobs tend to just write to stdout/stderr but the fancier
> applications tend to package it all up nicely and then pipe
> it to mail with a nice subject line.

...and so should depend on a mail transfer agent.

> This crusade against email breaks applications that you and
> I have never heard of.  It breaks the "Just Works" promise
> and it prevents LSB 3.0 compliance which will soon start to
> mean that applications won't be certified to run on Ubuntu
> and people will be advised to go with a better distro.
> It hurts security (lost warning messages) and it doesn't
> help security (daemon on 127.0.0.1 is not open to internet).
> 
> And the upside is?

The LSB argument is significantly more compelling than the others.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 22:28:13 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:28:13 -0700
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
In-Reply-To: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> I DLed from:
> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
> what, to my mind and according to the site (PC (Intel x86) live CD), is
> a live CD.  After burning and attempting to run it I found it was
> trying to install.  Of course, I disallowed that.  In reading the
> documentation on the newly-burned CD I find that it refers to Breezy
> Badger, not Dapper Drake.  Is there something wrong with this daily
> build live CD and it's not really live or have I made another stupid
> mistake?
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

My guess is since Dapper is in development you'll still find references 
to Breezy untill it's cleaned up.  As far as it trying to install, 
that's truly bizzare.

I assume you've used a more "traditional" live CD before, right?  The 
reson I asked is because the regular (i.e. breezy vs dapper) Ubuntu live 
CDs do "install" stuff but it's all held in RAM. Nothing is actually 
installed to your hard disk.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From bmarcum at iglou.com  Tue Dec 20 22:12:26 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:12:26 -0500
Subject: Limit size of .thumbnails folder
References: <bbda83370512110155x6bb4b434tdda79f31af4da42e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7cm73-dt2.ln1@don.localnet>

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:55:07 +0100, Luca Manganelli 
  <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have discovered that my .thumbnails folder is like as 14MB. There
> were plenty of images (many old and deleted). I think that .thumbnails
> folder is managed by Nautilus, but I cannot find an option to limit
> this folder size. Where is it?
>
You could set up a cron job with a command such as

find ~/.thumbnails -type f -atime +7 -exec rm {} \;

(this would delete any files that have not been accessed in the last 7 
days).

-- 
Sometimes I live in the country,
And sometimes I live in town.
And sometimes I have a great notion,
To jump in the river and drown.




From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Tue Dec 20 22:29:35 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:29:35 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A87D6A.5107@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
	<1135112842.4951.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A87D6A.5107@ij.net>
Message-ID: <1135117776.4951.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:53 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> the best of sysadmins are its main
> users and proponents. It's one of the reasons they are the best. If you
> want to alienate such people from your distro, this is an excellent way
> to do it.

No sysadm will have a problem with aptitude install mc

> I'm not familiar with all distros, but I do know that when I do a
> default install of Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE or Xandros, 

How many CDs does SuSE have? When I stopped looking, it was 8 or so. All
the others aren't single disc either afaik.

> mc is ready when I
> am to finish what the installer failed to finish, system configuration,
> and proceed with system administration, and without wasting time pulling
> off an internet connection

And in Ubuntu's case, you need 1 command before that. This does not look
like a strong case for a wishlist bug :)

> that may not be available just to get where
> you should have been to start with.

A failing internet connection can be fixed without mc just as well as
with mc. And given its goals, Ubuntu better aim at not failing to set it
up instead of bending over to provide redundant ways to fix it when it
does fail.

> Distro admins who don't have the wisdom
> to include an OFM don't deserve success for their distro. Knowledgeable
> sysadmins will continue to stick with distros that understand this. (etc)

Please, there is absolutely no need for these flames. You are free to
use another distro because it includes mc. Let's keep this within the
code of conduct.

Kind regards,
Mario




From bmarcum at iglou.com  Tue Dec 20 22:15:34 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:15:34 -0500
Subject: VLC UI fonts are ugly
References: <bbda83370512110227r14f52d1bya76746710137036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e06f2acd0512110519m86e447ewf4bbef395726d996@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbda83370512110552q20b154dsc22375c077867213@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6dcm73-dt2.ln1@don.localnet>

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:52:55 +0100, Luca Manganelli 
  <luca76 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/11/05, (रà¥à¤µà¤à¤¤) Revant Nandgaonkar <revant.one at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> I think this will be corrected in next release of ubuntu

next release???

Ubuntu has a new release every 6 months.  The next one is to be in April 
2006 and will be called Dapper Drake.


-- 
The greatest productive force is human selfishness.
		-- Robert Heinlein




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Tue Dec 20 22:40:38 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:40:38 -0500
Subject: First lines of dmesg
In-Reply-To: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135113539.14034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A88866.30209@cfl.rr.com>

There are two reasons I can think of you might see this:

1) dmesg is printing a lot of messages, and the first is scrolling off 
the screen.  Scroll the terminal window up to see the first message.  If 
you can not scroll up far enough, then as others have suggested, try 
piping the output to head or less.

2) The kernel buffer wrapped around because there were so many messages. 
    The kernel only holds so many messages in its ring buffer and once 
that wraps around, the first messages will no longer be available with 
dmesg.  They should have been logged though, so you should be able to 
find them in /var/log/kern.log.

Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez wrote:
> Hi Friends.
> 
> Where are the First lines of the output of dmesg command?
> 
> When i type dmesg in my Ubuntu GNU/Linux system, i can't see the
> "tipycal" 2 or 3 lines telling what version of the kernel is it, system
> where was compiled, version of the gcc used, etc...
> 
> Anybody knows?.
> 
> Thanks, in advance.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Jose.
> 
> 




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 22:40:28 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:40:28 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>	<43A840AC.7050406@interia.pl>
	<200512201923.52844.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
Message-ID: <43A8885C.2080701@angrykeyboarder.com>

Robert Entner wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 December 2005 18:34, Dominik 'des' Szynk wrote:
>> Eamonn Sullivan napisał(a):
>> > On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
>> >>Hello!
>> >>
>> >>I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the
>> >> default Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever
>> >> that is) packages from main/universe.
>> >>
>> >>This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without
>> >> internet access.
>> >
>> > Yes, it's here:
>> >
>> > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
>>
>> AFAIK my friend have done this. He downloaded almost all available
>> packages for the breezy release plus some extra security stuff and done
>> a set of 3 DVD.
> 
> I was also hoping that the DVD from the above URL would be what I am 
> looking for.  But it seems that this is Ubuntu main + language packs.
> 
> Where is this 3 DVD set you are talking about?  Would be great if 
> something like this was available for public.

I've not done it yet (laziness I suppose) but I'm planning on doing 
something similar for for myself with apt-move.

After creating my local repo, I'll just burn it to DVD.  Right now there 
is about 1.7 GB of files in /var/cache/apt/archives so it would easily 
fit on a single DVD.


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 22:42:26 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:42:26 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu DVD
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512201714.04792.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
	<e40e29dd0512200905q733ceeabu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A888D2.5040406@angrykeyboarder.com>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> On 20/12/05, Robert Entner <ubuntu at mail1.entner.net> wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I wonder if there is something like an Ubuntu DVD including the default
>> Ubuntu CD packages plus the most commonly used (whatever that is)
>> packages from main/universe.
>>
>> This would come handy as I am administrating a machine without internet
>> access.
> 
> Yes, it's here:
> 
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
> 

There's not a whole lot more package wise on that DVD (although there is 
plenty of room for it).  The extra stuff is mostly devoted to the live 
DVD portion.  The DVD is both a live DVD and an install DVD.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 20 22:49:27 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:49:27 -0600
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
In-Reply-To: <43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <20051220164927.26fd8529@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:28:13 -0700
Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:

> I assume you've used a more "traditional" live CD before, right?  The 
> reson I asked is because the regular (i.e. breezy vs dapper) Ubuntu
> live 
> CDs do "install" stuff but it's all held in RAM. Nothing is actually 
> installed to your hard disk.

Yes, Knoppix, DSL, and Warty.  It was for sure an installation wanting
to start.  /BUT/ I will reboot and check again just to be sure...

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 22:50:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:50:16 -0500
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <linbetwin.20d29y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


>From what I understand, with Dapper you will be able to install the OS
by "copying" the filesystem from the LiveCD to the hdd, either while
actually running the LiveCD, or at boot. Maybe this is what your LiveCD
tried to do. Can you bypass the installation and run the LiveCD?


-- 
linbetwin



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 23:02:54 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:02:54 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <3f1760512201502r741044f6t@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/12/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:

>  It could be root at localhost

My point is that this is as useful as /dev/null for most people,
except it fills /var..
.
> in the middle of the Sahara, myguru at support.firm for schools
> and busineses, or me at myisp.com for the techno cogniscenti.

If you set any of these up, you might as well set up an MTA
(by which I mean apt-get install a /usr/lib/sendmail alternative.
There is no need for SMTP, loopback or otherwise).

> This crusade against email

Incidentally, this kind of nonsense ('religious bigots', etc.) isn't
doing much to help your argument, either.


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From tabbox at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 23:15:47 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:15:47 -0600
Subject: KVM / Wireless Card - Any Suggestions for a Breezy Box?
In-Reply-To: <fb2ac3c90512201413t2368a8f0n40c4afbfffb5baa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1bca4870512201253k1bdf59d7gabfbf548db3fb818@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb2ac3c90512201413t2368a8f0n40c4afbfffb5baa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1bca4870512201515i2dc29b8bl8a26165df19e43f0@mail.gmail.com>

> You didn't mention what interface (PCI or Cardbus) but I've bought

always forget something - pci

> several Foxconn WLL-3350 cards.  They have an rt2500 chipset which is
> supported in Breezy.  Now that I mention it though I think rt2500

...and the price is right!

thanks for the link.

tab



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Tue Dec 20 23:24:55 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:24:55 -0700
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A892C7.7060707@angrykeyboarder.com>

Terry North wrote:
> James Gray <james <at> grayonline.id.au> writes:
>> 
>> Is this on the console or in X?  If it's in X you may need to double check   >
> the monitor sync ranges and/or add a mode line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  ...
> 
> I have to say that all sounds so Dark Ages.  I've got a standard monitor which
> gives no problem even to the Redmond company, which is even able to provide a
> GUI device to alter the settings.

Perhaps then the  Redmond company will better meet your needs.........
> 
>> > 5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?
>> 
>> Exactly how much space do think is available on one CD? :P  
> 
> That's sort of my point.  I would have paid several times over for an
> alternative to my present Linux system.  I can handle multi-disk installations.
>  I suspect most people can.

Oh so aren't new to Linux then?   Ubuntu is a 1-CD distro.  That was 
decided from day one. Frankly, I like it that way.  What's the use of 
installing 4-CDs worth of software only to have to update/upgrade half 
of them right off the bat.  Frankly, I've found the Ubuntu way faster. 
And the archive has virtually everything that's in Debian's archives. 
The last time I looked I had over 17K packages listed in Synaptic.
> 
>> > While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a tool such as System Settings
>> > opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?
>> 
>> ALT+F2, type "kcontrol", hit "Run".  This should be in the K-menu under 
>> Preferences -> Control Center too. 
> 
> Thanks, that's gone into my notes.  Konqueror, of course, applies the same
> settings to every tab and every folder.  I set it to list mode rather than icons
> and it looked bizarre having a system settings tool as a tab in my file browser.

That's KDE, not K/Ubuntu.  Settings has been available in via Konqueror 
for a while now (going back at least the past 3 releases from my 
experience).
>  
>> Single-click execution is the default behaviour in KDE and has been as long as
> I can remember.
> 
> Not on the system I've been using.  Right-click to select?

Very odd.  I remember KDE having single-click by default when I first 
used it on Mandrake in 1998.  That's never changed.
> 
>> If you don't like it, you can revert to "double-click to 
>> execute, single-click to select" type behaviour:
>> 1. Open "kcontrol" (see above)
>> 2. Expand the "Peripherals" branch and select "Mouse".
>> 3. Select the "General" tab and voila!  Edit to your preferred behaviour :)
> 
> I was hoping there was a fix somewhere some time.
> 
>> > 7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
>> > A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, ...
>> Try opening it in kcontrol instead.
> 
> Right, why expect it to work in the first place you find it.

KDE likes redundancy. ;-)  kcontrol, settings:/ and most recently, 
KMenu-->System Settings all get you to the same places.

> 
> Right.  Since I was missing sudo and was dubious about opening an editor from
> the console anyway, I thought of taking the other route.

I run editors from the console all the time.  For some reason (I forget 
why). If you're running a KDE app via sudo from the console it's better 
to use "kdesu" instead of "sudo".

>>
> 
> Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary user.  It
> isn't.  It's for geeks. 

I agree, but I'll qualify that by saying that it's still one of the 
easier distros out there.  Also virtually *all* Linux distros are for 
"geeks" (of varying degrees of geekdom). I can think of maybe 2 or 3 
distros that are very user friendly.  Off the top of my head though, the 
only one that comes to mind is Linspire (which I'd still recommend only 
as a last resort).

 > And, after this frustrating start, it'll have to wait
> until I have oodles of time to deal with it without aids that typically simplify
> the process elsewhere.  The resolution thing troubles me because I found during
> installation that I could not alter certain settings although invited to do so
> and, as I say, even Redmond gets that right.

I don't mind saying it, so I will.  Microsoft gets quite a bit right, 
actually.  It took them forever to get there, but Windows XP is a solid 
OS that basically just "works".  It's not perfect, Internet Explorer is 
Security nightmare (but you don't have to use it).  But it's great for 
Multimedia and (in my experience) almost never crashes (unlike it's 
predecessors).

But, it's not as customizable and tweakable (if that's a word) as Linux. 
  I just find Linux more fun (geek that I am).  And it's open source and 
free (as in "free beer").  So therefore, here I am....

> 
> The other point, of course, is that, as we all know, things do not always unfold
> as instructions indicate they should.  Manuals etc can be written in fairly
> cryptic terms and it is not always clear what's meant.  I did not expect to have
> to build a system from such meagre beginnings.  I wanted something I could use
> at least as an alternative but, hopefully, in preference to what I've already
> got.  (I was attracted to the dynamism of the Ubuntu updating process.)  That
> might yet be possible but it will have to wait until I've got a lot more time
> than I expected to need.

K/Ubuntu is the 7th Linux distro I've tried over the years.  That 
experience combined with lots of online research and several good books 
on Linux made it not overly difficult to learn.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From tabbox at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 23:38:12 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:38:12 -0600
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
In-Reply-To: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>
References: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <e1bca4870512201538r759d00dg530c4684a080947b@mail.gmail.com>

> But that is another story, as I can't go to bed at dawn every night.
>

be sure to not have us wait to long :)  Good info.

tab



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 20 23:23:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:23:50 -0500
Subject: Make & Gaim Plugin: gaim-rhythmbox
References: <do0i1g$7s1$1@sea.gmane.org><20051217214144.bacc3ca9.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<do7rgb$mep$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <uglysmurf.20d44m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hakim Singhji Wrote: 
> 

> however when I open gaim tool -> preferences ->

> plugins I cannot find the plugin that I just installed.

> 

> I have restarted the application and the machine. Gaim does not see

> it... what is going on?



Last night/today I've run into the exact same problem.  Sure enough,
after building and doing a "make install", copies of gaim-rhythmbox.so
and gaim-rhythmbox.la were placed in /usr/lib/gaim.  However, like
Hakim, the plugins don't show up in my gaim preferences.



Hakim -- please keep me posted to any progress you make.  Anyone have
any ideas?


-- 
uglysmurf



From esj at harvee.org  Tue Dec 20 23:38:11 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:38:11 -0500
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
In-Reply-To: <1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1135062915.23163.46.camel@localhost>
	<1135064385.6778.354.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <doa4h1$d3f$1@sea.gmane.org>

Mike Bird wrote:
> The SpamCop link will lead you to the information.  SenderBase
> generally has the most detailed information.  Your ISP's mail
> server is blocked for spamming.  Spam from there has increased
> 65% in the last 30 days.

had an interesting time looking at the statistics for spam at a customer 
site.  1100 messages, 14,000 messages spam.  I really need to put good 
statistics gathering inside of camram so I can see if this is a trend or 
a spike.  Someday.


> Strange that Ubuntu's list server doesn't use SpamCop too.

that's a mixed blessing.  I'm occasionally blocked by a couple black 
hole lists (pobox comes to mind) even though the AUP I spend good money 
on every month says I can run my own servers.

this is one of the reasons why I took the proof of work stamp concept 
one step further and created "brown hole lists".  It's the same as a 
black hole except if you make a big enough stamp (two bits more than 
normal or eight times delay), you can bypass the brown hole to make your 
presence known and hopefully be taken off of the list.

---eric




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 20 23:53:08 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:53:08 -0600
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
In-Reply-To: <20051220164927.26fd8529@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<20051220164927.26fd8529@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051220175308.39d2f5a0@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:49:27 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cyber_wizard at mindspring.com> wrote:

<used Live CD?

> Yes, Knoppix, DSL, and Warty.  It was for sure an installation wanting
> to start.  /BUT/ I will reboot and check again just to be sure...
> 
> Cybe

Rebooted, no joy.  It is almost definitely an installation CD, not
live.  I investigated the <F*> options and none offer live booting.
 Unless that prompt that reads: <Boot> is a line to the live part.
There is no indication of that and the live CDs I've used in the past
just booted right into the OS from CD.  Maybe it /does/ boot the CD at
that prompt, though.  I'm a bit afraid to try...

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From fbonjour at urbanet.ch  Tue Dec 20 23:53:22 2005
From: fbonjour at urbanet.ch (Filipe Bonjour)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:53:22 +0100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
In-Reply-To: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>
References: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <43A89972.603@urbanet.ch>

Gian Piero,

>At the end I managed to see the relaxing colors of ubuntu (but blurred,
>as they are in emulation, and not in native resolution) changing the
>driver from "ati" to "vesa", but this is not the final solution, as I
>will eventually load the ATI proprietary driver
>(fglrx64_6_8_0-8.20.8-1.x86_64.rpm as mentioned in some other lists)
>when I will solve the dipendencies of the rpm package...
>  
>
Just one doubt: why do you mention an RPM? Breezy has all the needed
fglrx packages indeb format:

$ dpkg -l | grep fgl
ii  fglrx-control                            8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Control
panel for the ATI graphics accelerat
ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                     6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1
Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
ii  xorg-driver-fglrx-dev              6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Video
driver for ATI graphics accelerators

You load the "fglrx" driver in xorg.conf. Maybe the deb package doesn't
exist for x64?

Filipe

-- 
Filipe Bonjour

      In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
      In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 20 23:56:57 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:56:57 -0600
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
In-Reply-To: <linbetwin.20d29y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A8857D.7070805@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<linbetwin.20d29y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051220175657.3ff37c56@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:50:16 -0500
'Forum Post
<ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote:

> 
> >From what I understand, with Dapper you will be able to install the
> >OS
> by "copying" the filesystem from the LiveCD to the hdd, either while
> actually running the LiveCD, or at boot. Maybe this is what your
> LiveCD
> tried to do. Can you bypass the installation and run the LiveCD?
> 
Not through any option that I have found.  As I stated in another post,
there is a prompt that says, "boot," but I don't want to over-write my
existing system so I'm hesitant to try it.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From mrmazda at ij.net  Wed Dec 21 00:17:15 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:17:15 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
	<1135112842.4951.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A87D6A.5107@ij.net>
	<1135117776.4951.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A89F0B.3792@ij.net>

Mario Vukelic wrote:
 
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:53 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

> > the best of sysadmins are its main
> > users and proponents. It's one of the reasons they are the best. If you
> > want to alienate such people from your distro, this is an excellent way
> > to do it.
 
> No sysadm will have a problem with aptitude install mc

To not have it to start with means wasting time on an inefficient
method of enabling installation before getting to where one should have
been to start with.
 
> > I'm not familiar with all distros, but I do know that when I do a
> > default install of Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE or Xandros,
 
> How many CDs does SuSE have? When I stopped looking, it was 8 or so. All
> the others aren't single disc either afaik.

The CD I usually use for SuSE, Fedora or Mandriva is only about 70M or
less, if I use any CD at all, just to boot, then install from network.
So far, I've yet to find any ubuntu network installation instructions.

And speaking of instructions, looking around I find unusable pages like
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html that requires I
reduce my font size about 40% just to get rid of a horizontal scroll so
I might use the page, except that I can't read anything that's 40% smaller
than my default. Even disabling page styles helps absolutely 0 on that
so badly designed page (extensive use of needless whitespace in <pre>
forces even most paragraphs not including <pre> elements to be wider than
a fullscreen viewport).
 
> > mc is ready when I
> > am to finish what the installer failed to finish, system configuration,
> > and proceed with system administration, and without wasting time pulling
> > off an internet connection
 
> And in Ubuntu's case, you need 1 command before that. This does not look
> like a strong case for a wishlist bug :)

I counted a whole bunch more than one. The wise don't edit files without
first archiving the originals. So, first navigate to /etc/apt to figure
out whether the applicable file is sources.conf or sources.list or
something else (lots more than one step just here), then archive it,
then edit it, then run update, then finally install, assuming no need 
to fix networking first.
 
> > that may not be available just to get where
> > you should have been to start with.
 
> A failing internet connection can be fixed without mc just as well as
> with mc. And given its goals, Ubuntu better aim at not failing to set it
> up instead of bending over to provide redundant ways to fix it when it
> does fail.

If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just as well,
that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network doesn't work,
mc is magnitudes faster than vims and shells at integratedly navigating,
finding, viewing, and editing. OFM's can fix practically everything and
anything, and when you don't know what's wrong, and more than one thing
is broken, and the broken things depend on other broken things, a simple
yet powerful OFM stands ready without deps to quickly and easily fix
just about anything and everything, and with 0 learning curve, and
bunches faster.
 
> > Distro admins who don't have the wisdom
> > to include an OFM don't deserve success for their distro. Knowledgeable
> > sysadmins will continue to stick with distros that understand this. (etc)
 
> Please, there is absolutely no need for these flames. You are free to
> use another distro because it includes mc. Let's keep this within the
> code of conduct.

It wasn't a flame, it was a dose of reality. I can't help it if the
truth hurts.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From radsky at ncia.net  Wed Dec 21 00:43:14 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:43:14 -0500
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <43A8A522.10506@ncia.net>

alex wrote:
> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere 
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?
> 
> alex
> 


Thanks all....good info.

alex



From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Dec 21 00:51:05 2005
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:51:05 -0600
Subject: efax-gtk
Message-ID: <43A8A6F9.10404@personnelware.com>

I installed efax-gtk from Synaptic.  I see Apps, Office, efax, but no clue how to 
send a document opened in Open Office.

"It also has a socket interface to provide a "virtual printer" for sending faxes 
from word processors and similar programs, "

How do I use that?

^Carl



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Wed Dec 21 00:31:00 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:31:00 -0500
Subject: root password...[ubuntu 5.10 installation issues]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111238370.2708@localhost.localdomain>
	<1134327480.7624.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512111440280.2708@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4bkm73-9ec.ln1@don.localnet>

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:06:06 -0500, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 
>
> Would that work? Or do really have to become familiar with the contents
> of the /etc/sudoers-file so that I can edit it in a meaningfully
> disabling way?
>
There is no need to disable sudo, unless you have other users and you 
want to be sure they can't use it.


-- 
"The pyramid is opening!"
   "Which one?"
"The one with the ever-widening hole in it!"
-- The Firesign Theatre




From terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au  Wed Dec 21 01:03:02 2005
From: terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au (Terry North)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:03:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>

Terry North <terrencenorth <at> yahoo.com.au> writes:

I filed this originally as feedback.  Maybe it was the wrong place.

I came to Ubuntu with an open mind.  I believe it's currently of interest
to many people because it's relatively new.  I have doubts about whether
that interest will be sustained because, as my experience shows, the
system is NOT user-friendly.  I'm just an ordinary user who has had to
learn more than I wanted to know just because of the shortcomings of
various systems, beginning with the claimant to 90 odd % of the market.

To get things into perspective, a small share of computer users have
adopted Linux.  A small share of that small share are using Ubuntu, and
good luck to them.

I like Ubuntu's independence.  The commercial distros, from what I've seen,
do a better job.  I was hoping Ubuntu could give them a run for their money. 
Right now, judging from a lot of the comments, it looks as though it's in
the hands of an elite who are content to exclude the great bulk of users and
resent anyone telling them there are better ways of doing things.  I'm
willing to work with it but I doubt that I'm typical.

I think a lot of people like to set things up the way that suits them.  They
have colour and font preferences and like different styles.  They want to
install different software.  Not many people want to spend hours researching
man pages (finding them at all can be time-consuming), experimenting with
commands, getting them wrong and playing around until they're right.  I'm glad
to have tools that simplify the process and reduce the time required.  I've
got a system that's a pleasure to work with.  I hate it when I have to go back
to Windoze to access an old file.  I'd like to find a non-commercial system
that measures up to or even surpasses what I've got.




From ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com  Wed Dec 21 01:44:41 2005
From: ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com (BBBB)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:44:41 -0600
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
References: <43A87D29.90908@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <080a01c605d0$219531c0$6401a8c0@dvdburner>


From: "Gian Piero Carzino"
>

> Appearently the monitor was not recognized (apart from the resolution of
> 1280x800) nor even for the fact of being a LCD.
>

> will eventually load the ATI proprietary driver
> (fglrx64_6_8_0-8.20.8-1.x86_64.rpm as mentioned in some other lists)
> when I will solve the dipendencies of the rpm package...
>
Please let us know how this goes. I went through the same nightmare on a
ZV6270US
and still do not have the 1280X800 res.
If I could get native resolution and 3D working, it would be GREAT.

Bradley





From sdl.web at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 01:28:46 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:28:46 +0000
Subject: firefox and video plugin
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com>

Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> writes:
 | 
 | Hi Leon,
 | 
 | In my version of Firefox, based on Mozilla, it is in
 | 
 | Edit..Preferences    and then the
 | Downloads              section.
 | 
 | HTH,
 | --
 | http://kimbriggs.com
 | 

Thanks Kim.

However in Edit->Preferences->Downloads are only types of the
files. Do you know where to change the corresponding applications?

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From custom at freenet.de  Wed Dec 21 01:34:59 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:34:59 +0700
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <fb2ac3c90512201059k56257bdxd3bf766c8bfb82ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<fb2ac3c90512201059k56257bdxd3bf766c8bfb82ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1937235543.20051221083459@freenet.de>


> Finally, I've seen comments here about Ubuntu being for the ordinary
> user.  It isn't.  It's for geeks.

Of course. ANY person who installs a new Operating System out of
his/her own free will is a geek.

Remember when Apple launched OS X Tiger and there were scenes at
computer stores that looked like the next Harry Potter release? Those
people were geeks, wouldn't you agree?

They care enough about their computer to go out and install their own
Operating System, then probably tweak it all the way to the moon and
back and debate it at length in their forums. Heck, they might even
complain about it on those forums! (Sounds familiar already? :)

You downloaded an Operating System, you ARE a geek.  Just not a very
determined one. :)

Cheers,
Chanchao





From tabbox at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 01:56:46 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:56:46 -0600
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <1937235543.20051221083459@freenet.de>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<fb2ac3c90512201059k56257bdxd3bf766c8bfb82ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<1937235543.20051221083459@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <e1bca4870512201756t3de17550wc8e603d00d1f723c@mail.gmail.com>

> You downloaded an Operating System, you ARE a geek.  Just not a very
> determined one. :)

Funniest statement I have seen all day.

tab



From albi at scii.nl  Wed Dec 14 09:58:50 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:58:50 +0100
Subject: OGG Player
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70512140151g2eb308fdwfd7b28e1334db26e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214105850.73b3790b.albi@scii.nl>

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:21:37 +0530
VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there any commandline player for ogg formats.There is a command
> play to play media files in the console.What is the package name.I
> want it for Warty.

install vorbis-tools, then use ogg123 (see also : man ogg123)

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 01:42:27 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:42:27 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:08:34PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> 
>> Why not just send the notification into the regular mail stream
>> which pretty much everyone checks?  It could be root at localhost
>> in the middle of the Sahara, myguru at support.firm for schools
>> and busineses, or me at myisp.com for the techno cogniscenti.  It
>> can be /dev/null for some of the people on this list if that's
>> what they want.
> 
> Becuse the assumption that pretty much everyone checks the regular mail
> stream is inaccurate. In a default install (even pre-Breezy) that mail
> doesn't go anywhere that most users are likely to see it. My girlfriend
> doesn't go around opening terminals in order to check whether any cron
> mail has turned up.

But your girlfriend _does_ go around reading her "girlfriend at gmail.com"
mail, which I think is Mike's point.  If you _insist_ on the MTA, then use
debconf correctly to specify where to send system notifications, then she
would have it sent to her usual email account - NOT local delivery.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 01:36:35 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:36:35 -0400
Subject: SPAM=Re: Ubuntu is under attack. Administrators responsibility.
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain><43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com><1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org><1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com><1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <36om73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:

>> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>> ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery
>>
>> Then the description is wrong:
>>
>> aptitude show popularity-contest
> ... this is spam too - as it do not consern the subject!
> 
> What is spam? That is when members or anybody post Emails with headlines
> and talk of enything else in the mails to promote themselves or a subject
> not relevant!

In the first place, that doesn't describe spam.  In the second, I haven't
yet seen a post in this thread that doesn't directly concern the OP's (Mike
Bird, I think) concern.  By constantly complaining that we aren't sticking
to the topic of the subject, you're only increasing the number of posts in
the thread.  Please stick to the topic.
-- 
derek




From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 02:24:14 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:24:14 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 09:42:27PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Becuse the assumption that pretty much everyone checks the regular mail
> > stream is inaccurate. In a default install (even pre-Breezy) that mail
> > doesn't go anywhere that most users are likely to see it. My girlfriend
> > doesn't go around opening terminals in order to check whether any cron
> > mail has turned up.
> 
> But your girlfriend _does_ go around reading her "girlfriend at gmail.com"
> mail, which I think is Mike's point.  If you _insist_ on the MTA, then use
> debconf correctly to specify where to send system notifications, then she
> would have it sent to her usual email account - NOT local delivery.

There's multiple problems here:

1) You can't just provide an email address. You also need to provide a 
smarthost.
2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of 
internet access
3) Even those who do have email addresses don't necessarily want to 
receive piles of email telling them that there are files in lost+found 
without telling them what to do about that
4) It's an extra couple of questions on install that would only benefit 
a tiny number of users

As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification 
reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think 
that's achievable.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 01:31:34 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:31:34 -0400
Subject: Reasons for ikeeping an MTA (was Re: Ubuntu is under attack)
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135058725.6778.320.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512200024o18f1a65biaa06c085f4b9a3d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135071127.27431.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3f1760512200310u5257b7bap@mail.gmail.com>
	<omll73-p4v.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051220205854.GA4819@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <msnm73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:48:08AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> Some have said that we don't need an MTA _just_ for cron, but the fact is
>> that cron is one specific app that _is_ installed and needs to be able to
>> send mail.  Any app that needs to send mail also needs to either force a
>> dependency on _an_ MTA or have an alternative method of notifying a user.
>> The real error here is that cron can be installed in such a way that it
>> _doesn't_ provide any notification.  If that's fixed in a way that
>> doesn't involve an MTA some people are going to be annoyed, but it would
>> at least be consistent.
> 
> Right. So the real issue here isn't there's a missing MTA, but that
> notification isn't happening. 

I think that's right.  I'm still not convinced another notification system
is better than email and properly configuring an MTA, though.
-- 
derek




From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 02:49:56 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:49:56 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I don't see the big problem (as I'm mostly just an end
user) I don't think I've ever wanted to see these e-mails that are so
critical, but what about writing a small app that takes those
"e-mails" and dumps them into a log file that can be read/cleared
easily from the system -> administration menu?
Then it's likely to be _very_ small and _very_ simple thus fixing both
supposed issue's with leaving out an MTA  _and_ giving users somewhere
to look when troubleshooting (or giving support givers an easy place
to send users when offering support).
If the "power users" want a full blown MTA then good on them and they
should use apt to get it.

I wouldn't call myself a programmer by any stretch of the imagination
but this seems like a very simple way to add functionality and keep to
the (in my view) highly regarded Ubuntu credo...

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 02:56:36 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:56:36 +0000
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking into installing Ubuntu Breezy to dual-boot for a family member.
The computer in question is a very fancy Dell Dimension 8400 (
http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Dimension_8400/4507-3118_7-30919189.html)
currently with Windows XP installed and taking up all the disc space.

I noticed the machine has a Serial ATA-150 hard disk interface, suspect
there might be some sort of fakeraid thing at work here (the specs page
linked above says storage controller type: RAID, storage controller RAID
level: raid 0, raid 1).

A friend of mine previously tried to install Breezy dual boot on a machine
with SATA fakeraid and it didn't work (or at least the Ubuntu installer
didn't immediately detect his fakeraid partitions and it was too much work
for him to try and he quickly gave up). That was a completely different
machine though.

So out of interest I booted the breezy install CD to see what disks it would
detect. The guided partitioner offerred me two install options - both were
to erase the entire disk, one of them was to use LVM, the other not. So the
guided options are not an option.

The advanced partitioner gave me two options I don't think I've seen before:

Configure software RAID

and Configure Logical Volume Manager.

Not sure exactly what either of those options means or what they would do
with respect to the existing Windows partitions.

The installer does appear to have detected the Windows XP partitions. Here
is the information it gave me about the already existing partitions (all 3
partitions included a smiley face icon beside them, and #2 also had a
lightning bolt icon with it):

SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 160.0GB ATA ST3160023AS

   #1 primary 65.8Mb fat16 /media/sda1
   #2 primary 156.9Gb ntfs /media/sda2
   #3 primary 3.1Gb fat32 /media/sda3

When booted into Windows XP, in the My Computer dialogue, only one disk is
shown, an ntfs disk which it says is of size 146Gb. So there seems to be a
bit of a discrepancy but I suspect the partition Windows XP shows me is the
#2 partition from the Ubuntu installer. Not sure what the other two are, but
suspect they're something to do with this RAID setup.

So what I would want to do is to shrink that huge partition #2 and install
Ubuntu in the space made. I don't want to break XP and its RAID partitions
in the process, or prevent XP from booting, or anything.

So... can anyone tell me if it is safe to use the Ubuntu installer here?

Has anyone dealt with Breezy dual-booting on a machine like this before?

Can anyone tell me any more about what the Ubuntu installer is telling me?

And exactly how should I go about doing the install, just use the advanced
partitioner to shrink that one partition and make the Ubuntu partitions in
the space created? Or do I need to use one of the Configure RAID or
configure LVM options?

Thanks for any help

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From m_epling at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 03:14:42 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:14:42 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A8C8A2.7020405@comcast.net>

    mercy sakes alive ...i think we got a flame war

Senectus . wrote:

>Personally I don't see the big problem (as I'm mostly just an end
>user) I don't think I've ever wanted to see these e-mails that are so
>critical, but what about writing a small app that takes those
>"e-mails" and dumps them into a log file that can be read/cleared
>easily from the system -> administration menu?
>Then it's likely to be _very_ small and _very_ simple thus fixing both
>supposed issue's with leaving out an MTA  _and_ giving users somewhere
>to look when troubleshooting (or giving support givers an easy place
>to send users when offering support).
>If the "power users" want a full blown MTA then good on them and they
>should use apt to get it.
>
>I wouldn't call myself a programmer by any stretch of the imagination
>but this seems like a very simple way to add functionality and keep to
>the (in my view) highly regarded Ubuntu credo...
>
>--
>Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
>your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
>warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
>liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
>arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
>Groklaw
>www.modmeup.net
>
>  
>




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 21 03:43:26 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:43:26 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 18:24, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 1) You can't just provide an email address. You also need to provide a 
> smarthost.

For the typical consumer, that's the same host that they told
Outlook Express to use for SMTP when they setup their Internet
Account.

A future enhancement to the installer could ask once and use
the same value for Evolution, Kontact, and the MTA.

> 2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of 
> internet access

Are you arguing that Firefox and Evolution should be removed
from the default install?  If not, how is this relevant?

Mail can be delivered locally (or to /dev/null for those who
prefer that).

> 3) Even those who do have email addresses don't necessarily want to 
> receive piles of email telling them that there are files in lost+found 
> without telling them what to do about that

Agreed that /dev/null should be a permitted option.  However,
most people will either want to see these messages themselves
or else will want their guru to see these messages, or both.

> 4) It's an extra couple of questions on install that would only benefit 
> a tiny number of users

Most people have working email.  Everyone on this list has
working email.  I don't actually know of any Linux user that
doesn't use email, although I concede the possibility that a
small number of such users exist.

People were using local email on Unix boxes long before most
people could justify a connection to the ArpaNet.

> As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification 
> reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think 
> that's achievable.

How?  Why?

When your Uncle's PC has a problem, would you rather get an
email in your inbox or would you rather have your Uncle read
it to you over the phone from a notification bubble?  I've
had far too many of those calls from Windows users - I don't
want to start getting them from Ubuntu users too.

What does your notification system NOT do that email CAN
do - including local and remote routing (or routing to
/dev/null) and reliable queuing?

What does your notification system tell people to do about
those files in lost+found?  How many languages does your
notification system support?

What is the size of your notification system?

Why waste space on a superfluous notification system when
mail, mailx, and sendmail are required for LSB?

--Mike Bird




From tabbox at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 03:44:22 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:44:22 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <43A8C8A2.7020405@comcast.net>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
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	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<43A8C8A2.7020405@comcast.net>
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>     mercy sakes alive ...i think we got a flame war


this darn kids have been at it all day
long...................................wait till your father gets
home............................



From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 04:23:58 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:53:58 +0530
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
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if you really have a problem, search for the solution, or post it on wiki
for a solution tobe included in next release.

that how we all are here, ubuntu is one of the top because of the community
full of problem solvers

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From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Wed Dec 21 04:37:24 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:37:24 -0700
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43A8DC04.9090109@angrykeyboarder.com>

Terry North wrote:
> This list is not one, I've already received help here and on the forum.
> 
> 1. Installation.
> First, it reminded me of Windoze, one thing I don't need. 

God forbid no!

  > No input at all.
> Tried choosing "expert".  Did not look like offering choices.

Funny it offered me quite a few more than the default install.

  > And no setting of
> the root password.  That really threw me.

That's one of the choices offered in expert.  It sounds like you thought
you were in expert mode, but weren't

> 2. Security.
> Anyone, and I mean anyone, can boot as root using Recovery Mode.  I took
> advantage of that to set a root password.  Whether that stops anyone else using
> Recovery Mode to gain root access I don't yet know.

Do you kn0w of a Linux distro that's any different in this regard? I
don't. It's true of Windows as well.


> 3. Grub.
> Ubuntu took it upon itself to lead the list in the boot loader.  Hey, I want to
> be in charge of the Boot Loader!  It does not suit me right now (for obvious
> reasons) to have Ubuntu as the default.  When I set out to change this, I came
> up against various obstacles, more of which in a moment.

Yep, you weren't in expert....

> 
> 4. Screen Resolution.
> I've now got 3 systems on my computer.  

What kind of "systems"? Operating Systems?  Which ones?

  >The other 2 are quite happy with the
> settings I use and the settings result in them using exactly the same amount of
> the available area - all of it.  Ubuntu wants to use less - with a good third of
> and inch or more left black on all sides.  When I tried to find the tool to
> check and, possibly, change the settings, it was nowhere to be found.

How odd.  It fills my screen quite nicely @ 1280x1024 @ 60 hz

> 5. Only KDE and what about other utilities?

KDE is not a utility,  it's a Desktop Environment.

> I wanted Kalarm, so I got Kubuntu 5.10 instead of Ubuntu 5.10.  But I'd like
> gedit and, if possible, Nautilus (Konqueror stinks, methinks).  

It sounds like you went about this backwards. But since you did, 
continue on with "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop".

 >I paid $A9.90
> for a one disk installation.  I would happily have paid more for a decent
> installation if it was available.  While I'm at it, what would be wrong with a
> tool such as System Settings opening in its own window instead of in Konqueror?
>  And don't talk to me about "Help".  "This page is not available.  Have you
> installed all the documentation?"

I have, have you? ;-)

> 
> 6. One touch and you buy it.
> I was alarmed to discover that selecting anything in a list does not just select
> the item, it opens it.  That is way out of left field and will take some getting
> used to.

So you've not used KDE at all prior to Kubuntu?  That's the way it works 
by default, but you *can* change it. No need to get used to it unless 
you really want to.

> 
> 7. Administrator's tasks made harder.
> A. I opened an administrative window from System Settings, which had decided to
> open as a list in Konqueror.

How odd. What "window" did you open from System Settings?

 >  Everything was greyed out, except, possibly, a
> note telling me to click on the Administrator's button if I wanted to change
> anything.  First, there was nothing to change.  Secondly, there was no
> administrator's button.
> B. So, that meant I had to edit menu.lst (to get a say in Grub).  Of course, the
> file is read-only.  So, I'll go into Midnight Commander, I think, and change the
> settings temporarily so that I can edit with Kate which has already opened the
> file with the one touch and you buy it policy.  I cannot believe (ok, I do
> believe it) there is no Midnight Commander or anything like it.

$ sudo apt-get install mc.

or "su -c 'apt-get install mc' " if you have root enabled.

> C. Next thought, open Kate, possibly from the root console.  Look for Help on
> the subject (see above). 

uhhh "kate"?

> Could try chmod but I'm getting awfully sick of this.
> D. Light goes on.  Login in as Root, open Kate, open file, edit, all's right
> with the world.  Sorry, no can do.  Jeepers Creepers.

If you had a root password (not a user password) you had two options for 
root access from a terminal

A)	su
	  password
	  command(s)
          exit

B)   su -c '<command(s)'

Both of those are standard operating procedure on any number of Linux 
distros I've used (Mandrake, RedHat, SUSE, Fedora, Debian....)

Now if you were trying to do this *without* a root password in Kubuntu 
(the norm for Ubuntu/Kubuntu), you needed the sudo command.

sudo gedit file.name.txt
sudo apt-get install blah-blah
sudo rm -rf /
ok, just kidding on that last one......

On a final note, if I'd been you, I'd have installed Ubuntu instead and 
then just added the KDE apps you wanted (e.g. kalarm).  But I'm not you 
so uh.....

Have the rest of a splendid day.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 04:44:06 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:44:06 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:43:26PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 18:24, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > 1) You can't just provide an email address. You also need to provide a 
> > smarthost.
> 
> For the typical consumer, that's the same host that they told
> Outlook Express to use for SMTP when they setup their Internet
> Account.

Assuming they did. Many people just use webmail nowadays.
 
> > 2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of 
> > internet access
> 
> Are you arguing that Firefox and Evolution should be removed
> from the default install?  If not, how is this relevant?
>
> Mail can be delivered locally (or to /dev/null for those who
> prefer that).

Delivering the mail locally means that lots of people won't read it. So 
it's necessary to have a mechanism to notify people that doesn't depend 
on them opening a terminal and typing "mail".
 
> > 4) It's an extra couple of questions on install that would only benefit 
> > a tiny number of users
> 
> Most people have working email.  Everyone on this list has
> working email.  I don't actually know of any Linux user that
> doesn't use email, although I concede the possibility that a
> small number of such users exist.

This list is gatewayed to ubuntuforums.org, so that's an assertion 
without evidence.
 
> > As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification 
> > reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think 
> > that's achievable.
> 
> How?  Why?
> 
> When your Uncle's PC has a problem, would you rather get an
> email in your inbox or would you rather have your Uncle read
> it to you over the phone from a notification bubble?  I've
> had far too many of those calls from Windows users - I don't
> want to start getting them from Ubuntu users too.

If I'm able to deal with my uncle's technical problems at that sort of 
level, I'm able to install postfix, configure it as an internet site and 
get it to email me. It's a tiny amount of work compared to the work 
involved in actually supporting him. 

> What does your notification system NOT do that email CAN
> do - including local and remote routing (or routing to
> /dev/null) and reliable queuing?

It ensures that the information is actually provided to the user, which 
just depending on traditional Unix mail doesn't.

Just in case you're in any doubt - if important information is being 
generated by the system, it is not acceptable for that information to be 
dropped in a file in /var/spool that many users will never interact with 
in any way. The assumption that people use the command line on a regular 
basis is no longer true. The "alternative" of sending it to their 
existing email account is also unworkable, because it means adding 
difficult* configuration questions to the installer.

There is a problem here, but postfix doesn't solve it. If you're 
interested in helping to specify a solution that /does/ solve it, then 
that would be excellent and worthy of discussion on ubuntu-devel. 

* And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't 
provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix 
supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?
-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:06:13 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:13 -0500
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net> <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>
	<43A84345.3050905@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <87r787yr7e.fsf@gmail.com>

Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> writes:

   Ya know:

   > Then after that, God (read SABDFL...) only knows how they will call it
   > next ;-)

   I'm kinda partial to Gnarly Narwhal, myself (little touch of the north 
   to it -- sorta neat, eh?)

Yes ... the 'G' is not silent and the recursive
structure is yet to be revealed ...




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 21 05:08:11 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:08:11 -0500
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
In-Reply-To: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>
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Sean Hammond wrote:
> I'm looking into installing Ubuntu Breezy to dual-boot for a family 
> member. The computer in question is a very fancy Dell Dimension 8400 
> (http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Dimension_8400/4507-3118_7-30919189.html) 
> currently with Windows XP installed and taking up all the disc space.
> 
> I noticed the machine has a Serial ATA-150 hard disk interface, suspect 
> there might be some sort of fakeraid thing at work here (the specs page 
> linked above says storage controller type: RAID, storage controller RAID 
> level: raid 0, raid 1).
> 

As long as it doesn't actually use the raid ( i.e. it only has one drive 
in it ) everything should just work.  This is probably the case.  Look 
inside the case to make sure.

> A friend of mine previously tried to install Breezy dual boot on a 
> machine with SATA fakeraid and it didn't work (or at least the Ubuntu 
> installer didn't immediately detect his fakeraid partitions and it was 
> too much work for him to try and he quickly gave up). That was a 
> completely different machine though.
> 

Did he read my howto on that subject?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto

Hopefully dapper will support this out of the box.

> So out of interest I booted the breezy install CD to see what disks it 
> would detect. The guided partitioner offerred me two install options - 
> both were to erase the entire disk, one of them was to use LVM, the 
> other not. So the guided options are not an option.
> 

<snip>

> 
> SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 160.0GB ATA ST3160023AS
> 
>    #1 primary 65.8Mb fat16 /media/sda1
>    #2 primary 156.9Gb ntfs /media/sda2
>    #3 primary 3.1Gb fat32 /media/sda3
> 

Looks like the machine only has a single disk and thus, isn't using raid 
at all.

> When booted into Windows XP, in the My Computer dialogue, only one disk 
> is shown, an ntfs disk which it says is of size 146Gb. So there seems to 
> be a bit of a discrepancy but I suspect the partition Windows XP shows 
> me is the #2 partition from the Ubuntu installer. Not sure what the 
> other two are, but suspect they're something to do with this RAID setup.
> 

Dell likes to put those little hidden fat partitions on their machines. 
  They basically contain Dell system repair software that you can choose 
to boot into if windows gets completely hosed up.  I'm not sure what is 
up with the third partition.  If you can switch to a console ( try 
hitting alt+right arrow to cycle through the consoles ) and look at the 
output of fdisk -l, that might help.

> So what I would want to do is to shrink that huge partition #2 and 
> install Ubuntu in the space made. I don't want to break XP and its RAID 
> partitions in the process, or prevent XP from booting, or anything.
> 

It doesn't look like raid is being used, and usually the normal install 
process will offer to shrink down the existing partition and install to 
the free space.  Not sure why it didn't offer to do that for you.

> So... can anyone tell me if it is safe to use the Ubuntu installer here?
> 
> Has anyone dealt with Breezy dual-booting on a machine like this before?
> 

Yes... I installed it on my brother's new computer last week.  Just 
accepted all the defaults and it resized the windows partition and 
installed to the free space.  It was also a dell with two existing 
partitions ( the main one and the hidden repair one ).

> Can anyone tell me any more about what the Ubuntu installer is telling me?
> 
> And exactly how should I go about doing the install, just use the 
> advanced partitioner to shrink that one partition and make the Ubuntu 
> partitions in the space created? Or do I need to use one of the 
> Configure RAID or configure LVM options?
> 

You do NOT want to set up raid or LVM, that will destroy the existing 
data.  If it offers to shrink the existing partition and use the free 
space, that's the option you want.

Oh, and just to make sure, open the case and verify that it only has a 
single hard disk.




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 21 05:17:29 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:17:29 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 20:44, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Assuming they did. Many people just use webmail nowadays.

I happen to own a small ISP.  Only 27.5% of subscribers
have *ever* used webmail, mostly on rare occasions such as
vacation.  Of those few that have used webmail, the median
time since they last used it is 79 days.  Only 4.0% of
subscribers have used webmail in the last week.

98.7% of subscribers have used regular email - mostly
POP-3 and some IMAP.  Of the 1.3% who have not used
regular email, most are wizards with multiple accounts
who disable email in some accounts to reduce spam.

These figures relate only to ISP email accounts.  Some
people also use MSN or AOL or GMAIL.  We don't have
accurate statistics but we know from tech support that
the number is very small.

The facts supporting your assertion please?

> * And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't 
> provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix 
> supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?

I'm curious if there's any significance to your use of the word
"smarthost" rather than "SMTP server".  If you mean that customers
cannot use Outlook Express or Thunderbird or Evolution to send
emails, would you mind disclosing the name of the ISP?  I have
many relatives in the UK who need to know not to accept any
special offers from such ISPs.

Thanks,

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 05:01:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:01:25 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <earobinson.20djva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


so use gnome


-- 
earobinson



From JTListserv at cox.net  Wed Dec 21 05:21:17 2005
From: JTListserv at cox.net (Justin Tisserat)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:21:17 -0800
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30512191624p21ef3bd5kbcd25a704a5de05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200512181934.39801.peter@stoddard.us>
	<43A633A3.9080004@cox.net>	<7124aab10512191541j137b4cado@mail.gmail.com>
	<659b9ea30512191624p21ef3bd5kbcd25a704a5de05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A8E64D.4020403@cox.net>

Thank you Chris, Markus, et all...

I had got as far as setting up the basic DHCP in the interfaces config 
file but didn't know that it was...

wireless_essid yournetworkname
wireless_key YOURKEY

... that needed to be added.  I found the network configuration tool in 
GNOME one of you had mentioned in a response to my question and was able 
to activate and use the Airport with WEP. I saw how making the changes 
thru the GUI affects the interfaces config file. I also found a line on 
the wpasupplicant package while searching thru the Ubuntu forums under 
the Gnome PPC forum. I've downloaded it and am reading thru the 
documentation.

Thanks all for your help.

Best Regards,
- Justin

Chris Dawson wrote:

>I really like this program wifi-radar.  It uses the wifi tool set, but
>has a nice iterface for configuration of wifi access points.  It
>should work with any system that has a working wifi card.
>
>http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
>
>Chris
>
>On 12/19/05, Markus Mitterhofer <markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>>Assuming eth1 is the Airport card I suppose now its a matter of
>>>configuring it properly. I am not sure if Ubuntu supports WPA. Thats
>>>what I have set up here at home.
>>>      
>>>
>> WPA is supported for some wireless chips. The Airport (orinoco, hermes
>> or whatever it's called) is not among them. You'll have to use WEP.
>>
>> Put this in your /etc/network/interfaces
>>
>> auto eth1
>> iface eth1 inet dhcp
>> wireless_essid yournetworkname
>> wireless_key YOURKEY
>>
>> Or try directly with the program   iwconfig
>> iwconfig eth1 essid yournetworkname key YOURKEY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>ubuntu-users mailing list
>>ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>




From revant.one at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:23:41 2005
From: revant.one at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=28=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=A4=29_Revan?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_Nandgaonkar?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:53:41 +0530
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <87r787yr7e.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net> <1135099934.23163.88.camel@localhost>
	<43A84345.3050905@telusplanet.net> <87r787yr7e.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e06f2acd0512202123i25befd36t43b573db054cfc63@mail.gmail.com>

the versions are assigned with the guidelines

[year].[month]

4.10 --> 2004 Oct release

5.04 --> 2005 April Release

5.10 --> 2005 Oct release

6.04 --> 2006 April Release

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From noahdain at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:34:29 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:34:29 -0500
Subject: Positive tone on these lists
In-Reply-To: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9A92B0@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9A92B0@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
Message-ID: <df5f317b0512202134n661a778dod33a9376fae288d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/20/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
> I hope the recent lively discussions on this list can remain positive
> and constructive.  I think many people were attracted to Ubuntu because
> of the focus on respect and community.  It would be a shame to lose that
> strength.
>
>
> --
> Will Backman - Network Administrator
> Coastal Enterprises, Inc.
> http://www.ceimaine.org
>
>

Hopefully, it won't devolve into the monkey-crap slinging fest that
was over "naked people" upon the outset of the first release.  ;-)

--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 05:33:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:33:08 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <ninotob.20dksm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Terry North Wrote: 
> 

> 2. Security.

> Anyone, and I mean anyone, can boot as root using Recovery Mode.  I
> took

> advantage of that to set a root password.  Whether that stops anyone
> else using

> Recovery Mode to gain root access I don't yet know.

> 



To do this requires physical access as others have pointed out. 
Physical access means 100% power over the machine.  For example, you
might change your bios settings to boot from the HD first and not from
any removable media.  This would prevent someone from booting a live
CD, mounting your drive, and getting your data or deleting it .... that
is, until the savvy physical attacker resets your bios.  So you password
protect your bios ... cool, except that it just takes a jumper to short
to pins and the bios defaults are reset.  Or maybe you get some
uber-cool bios that can't be reset this way -- attacker just removes
your HD and takes it home.



Physical access is everything -- your only protection would be
encryption and an offisite backup.  Anyway, if you are going to worry
about recovery mode, you might as well build a vault and bomb shelter. 
Realisticly, if someone gains physical access to a regular Joe's
computer -- it's to pawn it, not hack it.


-- 
ninotob



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Wed Dec 21 05:31:25 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:31:25 -0500
Subject: KVM / Wireless Card - Any Suggestions for a Breezy Box?
References: <e1bca4870512201253k1bdf59d7gabfbf548db3fb818@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <du5n73-3kh.ln1@don.localnet>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:53:27 -0600, Tab Gilbert 
  <tabbox at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking at KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switches.  They list Hot
> Keys, Manual Switches, Push Buttons and OSD (?).

OSD=On Screen Display.

-- 
All is fear in love and war.




From garyjarrel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:47:53 2005
From: garyjarrel at gmail.com (Gary Jarrel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:47:53 +1100
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <43A892C7.7060707@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<43A892C7.7060707@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <995b0fb00512202147wfe5ecaaxf70aa4fda1274484@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:

<snip>

> I don't mind saying it, so I will.  Microsoft gets quite a bit right,
> actually.  It took them forever to get there, but Windows XP is a solid
> OS that basically just "works".  It's not perfect, Internet Explorer is
> Security nightmare (but you don't have to use it).  But it's great for
> Multimedia and (in my experience) almost never crashes (unlike it's
> predecessors).
>
> But, it's not as customizable and tweakable (if that's a word) as Linux.
>   I just find Linux more fun (geek that I am).  And it's open source and
> free (as in "free beer").  So therefore, here I am....

<snip>

I wouldn't say that comparing a distro such as Ubuntu to Windows is
such a good comparison. When I switched over about a year ago to
version 4.10 I think it took me about a day or so to have mu
multimedia system set up. Now, with an abundance of players such as
Totem, Mplayer and VLC well take you pick get the codecs and you can
play pretty much everything. I've even managed to get realplayer going
in Firefox (don't know what for though), but something I can't
remember working on my XP box.

Another point is how easy it is to determine a problem with a system.
/var/logs/messages has saved me hours. While "You system has performed
an illegal operation and will be shut down" well I wont go any
further.

And just one more point, when was the last time someone managed to
upgrade a kernel on a Windows XP system. From Warty to Hoary to Breezy
and never formatted the machine until my HDD died.

Anyway, that my 5 cents.

Gary



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:52:48 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:52:48 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512202152v4195ba72gc6235fbeac688100@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 20:44, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Assuming they did. Many people just use webmail nowadays.
>
> I happen to own a small ISP.  Only 27.5% of subscribers
> have *ever* used webmail, mostly on rare occasions such as
> vacation.  Of those few that have used webmail, the median
> time since they last used it is 79 days.  Only 4.0% of
> subscribers have used webmail in the last week.

Very interesting stats. Thank you!

Can we perhaps please consider this topic "done like dinner"?

I'm truly impressed by the total number of e-mails that have managed
to stay lumped as one thread (I'm at 115 and counting... that includes
a few off topic ones).

It seems we have a number of people who are very passionate about this
issue. Whether that passion is misplaced is hard for me to judge
reliable (though, instinctively I strongly suspect that it IS... a
sysadmin is NOT a normal Ubuntu user, nor is an ISP operator).

Anyway, have a merry pagan and/or yuletide and/or solstice and/or
holiday season holiday and a happy new year* <out of breath... and
breath :-)>.

*preferably a new year when we don't see "Ubuntu is under attack" (or
one of its spawn) in our inboxes

Eric.



From note.comp at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 06:03:06 2005
From: note.comp at gmail.com (Jettana Mutchakwang)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:03:06 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu remastering problem.
Message-ID: <32e65bbc0512202203p20f97739x726e14f0b2da9710@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,

I try to build my own install cd.I read howto build it form
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo and
http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuRemastering. I do step by
step.When I install my own cd that has error at
Configure apt step.

This is my step on Ubuntu 5.10:

# sudo -s
# cd /home/jettana
# apt-get source ubuntu-keyring
# cd ubuntu-keyring-2005.01.11/keyring
# gpg --import < ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
# gpg --list-keys "Jettana Mutchakwnag"
# gpg --export  FBB75451 437D05B5 MYID > ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
# cd ..
# dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -m"Jettana Mutchakwang
<note_jettana at hotmail.com>"
# mkdir /home/old
# mkdir /home/rebuild
# rsync -azvb --delete --backup-dir=/home/old/ /media/cdrom0 /home/rebuild
# cd /home/rebuild
# mkdir -p dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386 pool/extras/
# vi dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Release
 Release file :
     Archive: breezy
     Version: 5.10
     Component: extras
     Origin: Ubuntu
     Label: Ubuntu
    Architecture: i386
# cp /home/jettana/ubuntu-keyring*deb /home/rebuild/pool/extras/
# apt-ftparchive packages  /home/rebuild/pool/extras/ >
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Packages
# apt-ftparchive -c ../apt.conf release /home/rebuild/dists/breezy >
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release
# gpg --output  /home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release.gpg -ba
/home/rebuild/dists/breezy/Release
# mkisofs -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot
-boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -hide-rr-moved -o myInstallCD.iso
-R /home/rebuild

When I burn it and try to install that have error  at step of "Configure
apt".

syslog file in /var/log/syslog :

 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Falling back to the package
description for multiseat-udeb
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Falling back to the package
description for multiseat-udeb
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' selected
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: configure apt-setup-udeb, status: 2
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: configure
target-base-system, status: 0
 Dec 17 16:13:26 main-menu[3620]: DEBUG: virtual package target-base-system
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Using CD-ROM mount point /cdrom/
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Identifying..
[cfab1eecdc1a8a7b07b9c6568f4410e2-2]
 Dec 17 16:13:27 apt-setup-udeb: Scanning disc for index files..
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Found 3 package indexes, 0 source
indexes and 1 signatures
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Found label 'Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy
Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)'
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: This disc is called:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: 'Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ -
Release i386 (20051012)'
 Dec 17 16:13:32 apt-setup-udeb: Copying package lists...
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): gpgv:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): Signature made Sat 17
 Dec 2005 03:13:47 PM ICT using DSA key ID 93B9BE3F
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): gpgv:
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): Can't check
signature: public key not found
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): E: Sub-process
gpgv returned an error code (2)
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: (process:24292): W: Signature
verification failed for: /cdrom/dists/breezy/Release.gpg
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: WARNING **: Configuring
'apt-setup-udeb' failed with error code 1
 Dec 17 16:13:32 main-menu[3620]: WARNING **: Menu item
'apt-setup-udeb' failed.
 Dec 17 16:14:45 main-menu[3620]: INFO: Modifying debconf priority
limit from 'high' to 'medium'
 Dec 17 16:14:45 debconf: Setting debconf/priority to medium


how to solve this problem?




Jettana Mutchakwang
Thailand.



From mark at talios.com  Wed Dec 21 06:04:05 2005
From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:04:05 +1300
Subject: BitTorrent service on Dapper...
Message-ID: <5184347f0512202204s1c178298ib10cccab4603974d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, I was just playing with the recent Dapper Fieldtest 2 Live CD and
noticed it stopped a BitTorrent service when I shut the box down.

What service is this?  I know BitTorrent, but wasn't aware of any
projects/aims to run it as a system level service hidden away.

Does a default installation of Dapper connect up to any trackers and/or seed
files by default at all?   Also, which BitTorrent client connects into this
running backend service?

Cheers,
Mark
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 06:09:10 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:09:10 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512202209v11185762i593ced0cd4abfa5c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> I filed this originally as feedback.  Maybe it was the wrong place.

No, it is the right place.

> I came to Ubuntu with an open mind.  I believe it's currently of interest
> to many people because it's relatively new.  I have doubts about whether
> that interest will be sustained because, as my experience shows, the
> system is NOT user-friendly.  I'm just an ordinary user who has had to
> learn more than I wanted to know just because of the shortcomings of
> various systems, beginning with the claimant to 90 odd % of the market.

Unfortunately, you are not alone in finding just that about a lot of
systems out there. They all have their own idiosyncrasies that
irritate and you learn how to live with or work around.

I, personally, believe you are wrong about Ubuntu being
un-user-friendly and that interest will vane. I believe that while
Ubuntu is one of the slickest installs and easiest installs out there,
I think it has some way to go until grandma or the housewife with
three kids under the age of five can pick it up and "just use it".

> To get things into perspective, a small share of computer users have
> adopted Linux.  A small share of that small share are using Ubuntu, and
> good luck to them.

Thanks. :)

> I like Ubuntu's independence.  The commercial distros, from what I've seen,
> do a better job.  I was hoping Ubuntu could give them a run for their money.
> Right now, judging from a lot of the comments, it looks as though it's in
> the hands of an elite who are content to exclude the great bulk of users and
> resent anyone telling them there are better ways of doing things.  I'm
> willing to work with it but I doubt that I'm typical.

I've tried and used some of the commercial alternatives and found them
frustrating at best. Some, coloured headgear style, more than most. My
journey through Linux has not always been plain sailing, but not once
have I been tempted to sell my soul to Redmond.

You may be correct about Linux users (not all by a long chalk) having
an elitist attitude, but that goes for users of *BSD, OSX, Windows etc
etc.

You will find that people bite back, perhaps more venomously than
required, when there is someone that in the process of saying how to
better do things comes across as trolling and just in general
complaining because they either have nothing else to do or they rather
complain than attempt to ask intelligent questions or have a google
for an answer that half the time is in the first ten links.

I irritated the heck out of people a while back when my system kept
crashing, and I first believed it to be the network driver (had not
used the wired network for yonks, when I plugged it in and did a big
scp - hard lockup straight away) and then I progressed to blame the
ide layer, md driver and C compiler. In the end, and it took me over a
month to get there, it turned out to be a dodgy stick of RAM, same
stick that had been in the box for over a year and memcheck would not
spot it.

> I think a lot of people like to set things up the way that suits them.  They
> have colour and font preferences and like different styles.  They want to
> install different software.  Not many people want to spend hours researching
> man pages (finding them at all can be time-consuming), experimenting with
> commands, getting them wrong and playing around until they're right.  I'm glad
> to have tools that simplify the process and reduce the time required.  I've
> got a system that's a pleasure to work with.  I hate it when I have to go back
> to Windoze to access an old file.  I'd like to find a non-commercial system
> that measures up to or even surpasses what I've got.

People tweak their system to fit with how they work, that is only fair
to expect. I think the MenuRevisited ideas make sense. Redmond may be
detestable because of dodgy business practices and code, but the
initial threshold to get started using their OS is low. That is not a
bad target to aim for.

These last few days there has been a lot of dissent about how Ubuntu
does things. From my perspective, and I would not class myself a
newbie, I like the ease of install and use of Ubuntu, all that
tweakability and power right at my fingertips and still, if I want it
to, so easy to get the simple things done like setting up a
spreadsheet or writing documentation.

I think people would find the Linux crowd less hostile and elitist if
they gave constructive criticism rather than being very vocal "it
don't work the way I expected it to and I can't be arsed to read the
docs as I can't be arsed to install them nor google for the
HOWTO's"...

Just my two cents..

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 06:12:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:12:54 -0500
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
References: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A8E33B.3010000@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi, I'm writing this to you on a Dell Dim 8400 w/ Breezy Badger
installed (and prior to this Hoary).  (PIV w/ HT 3.2GHz, Intel 925
chipset, 2 SATA 80GB drives, not in any RAID configuration though I
have the software installed).  



Couple of things -> it installs w/out a problem w/ Breezy but you
should run the LiveCD 1st-> if that works well you should be golden.



The 3 partitions you find on your computer ->

1 - a small utility partition (disk checking, etc...)

2 - your main XP partition

3 - a Norton Ghost image of your system on the day you bought it.



#3 - if you hit CTRL+F11 while booting and during the POST when you see
a blue bar at the top of your screen that has www.dell.com in it...then
you will boot into this Ghost partition and be given the option to
restore your PC to the day you bought it...I've done it...it's exactly
the same as the image replaces your current config.  IMPORTANT - if you
overwrite the current MBR w/ any other MBR (from Ubuntu or a fresh
install of XP from XP's installation disk) you will never again be able
to access that partition.  The only thing you can do w/ it is to delete
it and reclaim the space... I tried at length and had several
discussions w/ Dell Support about it.



(continued)


-- 
Emerzen



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 06:17:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:17:38 -0500
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
References: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A8E33B.3010000@cfl.rr.com> <Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


When I installed Hoary I had to change a couple of the settings in the
BIOS to get it to install...under disk controllers, change the setting
to the last option on the right (PATA).  I also had to set USB control
to "OFF", in other words, to let the OS have control of the USB.  This
is w/ the latest BIOS from Dell...AO7.  If you haven't updated to this
version, you should.



With Breezy, I changed my disk controllers back to Auto/confi/SATA (the
same as w/ XP) and Breezy installed fine and has worked w/out a hitch. 




So, bottom line is you should be able to install Breezy w/o a glitch
(try Live CD 1st to be sure) but keep in mind once the MBR gets
overwritten you lose the ability to do the "Dell PC Restore" (Symantec
image).


-- 
Emerzen



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Wed Dec 21 07:09:52 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:09:52 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A89F0B.3792@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<fb6605670512200445o38684f45lca4bc513743fbc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051220132238.GD3536@riva.ucam.org>
	<fb6605670512201018g446e044fjebd130a91de8d790@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135105129.4951.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A86C1A.76F8@ij.net>
	<1135112842.4951.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A87D6A.5107@ij.net>
	<1135117776.4951.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43A89F0B.3792@ij.net>
Message-ID: <1135148993.4951.109.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 19:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> To not have it to start with means wasting time on an inefficient
> method of enabling installation before getting to where one should have
> been to start with.
(...)
> The CD I usually use for SuSE, Fedora or Mandriva is only about 70M or
> less, if I use any CD at all, just to boot, then install from network.

IMHO, these 2 statements are contradictory. Esp. since you complain
about not having mc when the network is not working. I doubt that the 70
MB net installer discs contain mc, and if you have no network, you can#t
get it either.

> And speaking of instructions, looking around I find unusable pages like
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html that requires I
> reduce my font size about 40% just to get rid of a horizontal scroll so
> I might use the page, except that I can't read anything that's 40% smaller
> than my default.

Works with my normal font size in firefox, but you are right, if I
increase the size, it starts to scroll. Accessibility is a stated goal
of Ubuntu, and I would say that you should file a bug against the
website, but you already said you don't want to. 
 

> > And in Ubuntu's case, you need 1 command before that. This does not look
> > like a strong case for a wishlist bug :)
> 
> I counted a whole bunch more than one. The wise don't edit files without
> first archiving the originals. So, first navigate to /etc/apt to figure
> out whether the applicable file is sources.conf or sources.list or
> something else (lots more than one step just here), then archive it,
> then edit it, then run update, then finally install, assuming no need 
> to fix networking first.

I've never backed up sources.list in 8 years of using Ubuntu and Debian
since replacement files are all over the web, but more power to you if
you are so diligent. But then, you would have done that -anyway- and so
it's not fair to count those steps. Fedora etc. also have a repository
definitions file that needs to be backed up by your standards.

Sure, that all is moot if you have no network up. As I said, wishlist
bug.
 

> If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just as well,
> that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network doesn't work, (etc.)

Put it in a wishlist bug :)

> and with 0 learning curve, and
> bunches faster.

Depends on your experience. I have used GNU/Linux for 10 years, and am
lost in mc.
 
> It wasn't a flame, it was a dose of reality. I can't help it if the
> truth hurts.

Heaps of knowledgeble users and sysadms switch to Ubuntu, so yes, it was
a flame. You need to get it in your head that not everyone has the same
requirements as you. I am familiar with the shell and could care less if
mc is included.

Regards, Mario




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 21 07:59:43 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:59:43 -0800
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <995b0fb00512202147wfe5ecaaxf70aa4fda1274484@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512201713.24084.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<loom.20051220T120048-862@post.gmane.org>
	<43A892C7.7060707@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<995b0fb00512202147wfe5ecaaxf70aa4fda1274484@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135151983.12300.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 16:47 +1100, Gary Jarrel wrote:


> 
> Anyway, that my 5 cents.
> 
> Gary
> 



5 cents...

Is that 2 + 2 + 1/2 of 2 ????

That would make cents??

hehe

Vram





From custom at freenet.de  Wed Dec 21 07:55:08 2005
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:55:08 +0700
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512202209v11185762i593ced0cd4abfa5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>
	<515e525f0512202209v11185762i593ced0cd4abfa5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1686644965.20051221145508@freenet.de>

Hello Anders,

Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 1:09:10 PM, you wrote:

AK> while Ubuntu is one of the slickest installs and easiest installs
AK> out there, I think it has some way to go until grandma or the
AK> housewife with three kids under the age of five can pick it up
AK> and "just use it".

Yup, but once they have a kid aged 5 years or over then it becomes
less of an issue anyway because the kid can just go install Ubuntu
herself. :)

AK> My journey through Linux has not always been plain sailing,
AK> but not once have I been tempted to sell my soul to Redmond.

I think you will find they will settle for $199 or so. Only when you
get to their server operating systems you start to get into the range
of typical not-overly-virtuous souls.

AK> You may be correct about Linux users (not all by a long chalk) having
AK> an elitist attitude, but that goes for users of *BSD, OSX, Windows etc
AK> etc.

Yes, ESPECIALLY BSD. Meet the stuck-up ueber-geek-fundamentalist
'real'-unix-nazi's.. yech. :)

But Apple people are almost as annoying, glorifying how stupid the
thing allows them to be. "Oh sorry, I completely don't know what "Avi"
or "Mpeg" or "megabytes" or anything mean; I just put my camera within
3 feet of my Mac for 10 minutes and it spit out an edited DVD with
nice menus all by itself, even the label was already on it. No sorry,
I don't know what "Firewire" means, I guess that's for plugging your
computer into your firewall or whatever?  Don't need that, Macs have
security built in anyway." :)

AK> In the end, and it took me over a month to get there, it turned
AK> out to be a dodgy stick of RAM, same stick that had been in the
AK> box for over a year and memcheck would not spot it.

"I don't think my Mac even uses RAM, I don't know what that is anyway,
I mean other than Ram in Chinese astrology I suppose, but even if
it did have RAM then for sure it wouldn't be in any way "dodgy" in my
Mac, it wouldn't." :-)

It's remarkable really that Mac people don't get beaten up more often.

AK> I think people would find the Linux crowd less hostile and elitist if
AK> they gave constructive criticism rather than being very vocal "it
AK> don't work the way I expected it to and I can't be arsed to read the
AK> docs as I can't be arsed to install them nor google for the
AK> HOWTO's"...

"The only manuals that came with my Mac was 4 page introduction flyer
that showed in cartoon drawings how to get it out of the box and plug
it into the mains. But anyway the cat ate it before I read any of it
but of course it didn't matter because the plug on my mac was really
just the same as on any toaster or anything. On Macs everything looks
and works the same, did I mention how easy they are to use?".

<whack> :)

Cheers,
Chanchao





From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 08:09:45 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:09:45 +1300
Subject: Hamachi
Message-ID: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody install Hamachi on Ubuntu yet? If you do not know of it yet look
here http://www.hamachi.cc I am using it on Windos and so far it works as
claimed. It is multiplatform and available for win, linux & mac os (shortly)

Regards,

Paul
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From rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz  Wed Dec 21 08:46:59 2005
From: rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz (Rodger Donaldson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:46:59 +1300
Subject: FAO :  "VRAM"  (others can just delete/ignore)
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:39:46PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> 
> Strange that Ubuntu's list server doesn't use SpamCop too.

Perhaps they want their mailing list to, you know, work.

-- 
Rodger Donaldson		rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz
I've been bitten at least as badly.  I poured 7 years into helping make
SunOS 4.x a great operating system only to have it ripped away and replaced
with that Solaris thing.
		-- Larry McVoy, in linux-kernel



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Wed Dec 21 08:53:22 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:53:22 +0800
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
In-Reply-To: <1686644965.20051221145508@freenet.de>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>
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	<1686644965.20051221145508@freenet.de>
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On 12/21/05, Chanchao <custom at freenet.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> "The only manuals that came with my Mac was 4 page introduction flyer
> that showed in cartoon drawings how to get it out of the box and plug
> it into the mains. But anyway the cat ate it before I read any of it
> but of course it didn't matter because the plug on my mac was really
> just the same as on any toaster or anything. On Macs everything looks
> and works the same, did I mention how easy they are to use?".
>
> <whack> :)
>
> Cheers,
> Chanchao
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


How true, not any instrcution at all. I even had to get the customer service
number from the net as I could not find it in the stuff with the mac minis.

Charles


--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 21 08:58:38 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:58:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SPAM=Re: Ubuntu is under attack. Administrators responsibility.
In-Reply-To: <36om73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain><43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com><1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org><1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><515e525f0512192144x7c15b331hbd7520801eccc9ff@mail.gmail.com><1135071899.16835.23.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><1135089247.19758.21.camel@localhost.localdomain><1135106801.4951.11.camel@localhost.localdomain><25388.213.237.42.134.1135108759.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<36om73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <30248.213.237.42.134.1135155518.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 15:34 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>>> ubuntus popcon doesnt use mail for delivery
>>>
>>> Then the description is wrong:
>>>
>>> aptitude show popularity-contest
>> ... this is spam too - as it do not consern the subject!
>>
>> What is spam? That is when members or anybody post Emails with headlines
>> and talk of enything else in the mails to promote themselves or a
>> subject
>> not relevant!
>
> In the first place, that doesn't describe spam.  In the second, I haven't
> yet seen a post in this thread that doesn't directly concern the OP's
> (Mike Bird, I think) concern.  By constantly complaining that we aren't
> sticking to the topic of the subject, you're only increasing the number
of > posts in the thread.  Please stick to the topic.
But mine complain is on topic yours are not - an example:

---------------------------------
How much does the below consern "Ubuntu is under attack?"

mån 2005-12-19 klockan 01:30 +0000 skrev Old Rocker:
> > I know I use Ubuntu in no small part because it follows the Gnome
> > release schedule and includes very recent versions of a lot of other
> > stuff as well (not the least all the tasty kernel-related work, with
> > HAL and Dbus, recent drivers and so on). To get there using Debian
> > you pretty much have to resort to building things yourself.
>
> Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.  That's not the point: current
> Ubuntu repositories are optimised for Ubuntu-only use.

As they should be.

>   I understand
> that Debian will hold up moving packages from one repository to another
> because they do not meet Debian's status for all their platforms,
> whereas Ubuntu has more limited platforms to ensure that software meets
> its standards.  But why not include the Debian specific software in
> Ubuntu's repositories, instead of having yet another version of the
> same program?  And why not strive to develop fully Debian compatible
> software in the first place?

My understanding is that many packages in Universe actually are the
Debian packages, just with a rebuild to reflect the Ubuntu origin -
which it should, as the Debian packager no longer can be expected to
provide support for it. I've had fairly good luck with using Debian
packages for things that aren't in the Ubuntu repositories. Those that
fail tend to be those very packages with hoary enough dependencies that
reconciling Ubuntu and Debian would not be possible in any case.


> >  There is a set of tradeoffs between stability, amount of fully
> > supported packages, supported architectures and recency. Ubuntu makes
> > a different tradeoff than Debian towards recency. That is _giving_
> > people choice, not taking it away.
>
> Well, I disagree, but I will defend your right to be wrong :-)  Ubuntu
> is a good distro, despite what I have said, but it would be a better
> distro IMHO if it was fully Debian compatible.  What I am concerned
> about is a fork in the Debian project that could ultimately bring about
> its end.

Yep, discussion is good.

My concern is mostly that "fully Debian compatible" means "just another
repackage of existing Debian", and we have what, a dozen such distros
already? One reason Ubuntu has taken off in a way none of the others did
is that Ubuntu does do things different from Debian - and thus there is
an actual reason for some people to use it instead of Debian.

ANd actually, I believe the emergence of Ubuntu has been a very good
thing for Debian too. It is a reflection that not all existing or
potential Debian users have been happy with the direction and speed it
has taken the past few years, and I think it in a small way has helped
the Debian community to focus. And again, it's not that Ubuntu packages
are incompatible so much as simply ahead of their time with respect to
Debian.

On a personal note, if Ubuntu lost its focus of delivering a great,
integrated and polished - and current - Gnome desktop, I'd have to find
a different distro that did.

-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren


-- 
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users





From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 21 09:04:29 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:04:29 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Positive tone on these lists
In-Reply-To: <df5f317b0512202134n661a778dod33a9376fae288d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A9A92B0@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
	<df5f317b0512202134n661a778dod33a9376fae288d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30316.213.237.42.134.1135155869.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/20/05, Will H. Backman <whb at ceimaine.org> wrote:
>> I hope the recent lively discussions on this list can remain positive
>> and constructive.  I think many people were attracted to Ubuntu because
>> of the focus on respect and community.  It would be a shame to lose that
>> strength.
I cannot agree more! Let have that back - and relevant discussions too.
Thanks!

Marry Cristmas

Phillip



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 21 09:30:52 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:30:52 +0000
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
Message-ID: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

Since I started this thread, a number of people have contacted me off 
list and basically asked:

"Does it matter if Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork of Debian?" or "What do you 
mean by a fork anyway?"

As most people have probably realised, it matters to me and I hope it 
matters to the whole of our community.  The best explanation I have 
been able to find is in the book "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source 
Revolution" by Glyn Moody.  Although published first in 2001, the book 
still stands up today.  Here is the quote:

"Large-scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal 
civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to 
be avoided at all costs.  Forking is quite different from the 
ideological differences that exist between the original free software 
movement and the newer open source: it is not only possible but common 
for people from different backgrounds to work together on a single 
project.  In effect, there may be a rainbow of ideologies in a given 
project.  A fork, however, is an either/or matter, and until those two 
camps can effect a coming together, a process called "healing the 
fork", the divergence between them is likely to grow and become ever 
more unbridgeable."

(Here the term "hacker" is used in its original form as a person who can 
hack together some code, rather than the more pejorative description of 
"cracker" which in fact people who break code, write viruses, etc. 
should be given.)

In terms of Linux distributions, there are various Debian based distros 
"out there", and most of these provide a better installer that the 
Debian installer or specialist software.  These are part of the 
"rainbow" to which Moody refers and add to the total benefit of the 
whole Debian Project community.  However, Ubuntu/Kubuntu has its own 
repositories and code base, which are close to Debian, but not 
interchangeable with it.  Simply, you can't guarantee that Debian code 
will run with Ubuntu, its has to be code recompiled for Ubuntu.  This 
situation is similar to the way in which Gentoo sets up its binaries.  
The difference is that Gentoo doesn't claim to be part of the Debian 
community, whereas Ubuntu does.

A fork duplicates effort (why should two set of people be developing 
essentially the same software?) and holds back development (we should 
be working together, not apart).  It may be my opinion (as one poster 
has said) that this situation is to be deprecated, but that opinion is 
shared by many others in the open source community.

As yet, I don't think Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork, just a difference of 
ideology.  Ubuntu developers work with others in the Debian community 
it is true, but the vibes coming out of what I've read and seen, is 
that there is no close developing of software, and this worries me.  
Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various 
Debian repositories than going off on its own.

I like Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  Mark Shuttleworth has put his money where his 
mouth is, and produced for we users, a one-disk distribution that has 
based its philosophy around the sharing of software.  However, it has 
the seeds of becoming a fork and with it the possibility of dividing 
the whole Debian community.  That is the threat I see, and I am giving 
warning.

Please could we have some word from the Ubuntu developers?
-- 

Old Rocker



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Wed Dec 21 09:55:57 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:55:57 -0800
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1135158957.12300.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:30 +0000, Old Rocker wrote:
> Since I started this thread, a number of people have contacted me off 
> list and basically asked:
> 
> "Does it matter if Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork of Debian?" or "What do you 
> mean by a fork anyway?"
> 
> As most people have probably realised, it matters to me and I hope it 
> matters to the whole of our community.  The best explanation I have 
> been able to find is in the book "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source 
> Revolution" by Glyn Moody.  Although published first in 2001, the book 
> still stands up today.  Here is the quote:
> 
> "Large-scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal 
> civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to 
> be avoided at all costs.  Forking is quite different from the 
> ideological differences that exist between the original free software 
> movement and the newer open source: it is not only possible but common 
> for people from different backgrounds to work together on a single 
> project.  In effect, there may be a rainbow of ideologies in a given 
> project.  A fork, however, is an either/or matter, and until those two 
> camps can effect a coming together, a process called "healing the 
> fork", the divergence between them is likely to grow and become ever 
> more unbridgeable."
> 
> (Here the term "hacker" is used in its original form as a person who can 
> hack together some code, rather than the more pejorative description of 
> "cracker" which in fact people who break code, write viruses, etc. 
> should be given.)
> 
> In terms of Linux distributions, there are various Debian based distros 
> "out there", and most of these provide a better installer that the 
> Debian installer or specialist software.  These are part of the 
> "rainbow" to which Moody refers and add to the total benefit of the 
> whole Debian Project community.  However, Ubuntu/Kubuntu has its own 
> repositories and code base, which are close to Debian, but not 
> interchangeable with it.  Simply, you can't guarantee that Debian code 
> will run with Ubuntu, its has to be code recompiled for Ubuntu.  This 
> situation is similar to the way in which Gentoo sets up its binaries.  
> The difference is that Gentoo doesn't claim to be part of the Debian 
> community, whereas Ubuntu does.
> 
> A fork duplicates effort (why should two set of people be developing 
> essentially the same software?) and holds back development (we should 
> be working together, not apart).  It may be my opinion (as one poster 
> has said) that this situation is to be deprecated, but that opinion is 
> shared by many others in the open source community.
> 
> As yet, I don't think Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork, just a difference of 
> ideology.  Ubuntu developers work with others in the Debian community 
> it is true, but the vibes coming out of what I've read and seen, is 
> that there is no close developing of software, and this worries me.  
> Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various 
> Debian repositories than going off on its own.
> 
> I like Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  Mark Shuttleworth has put his money where his 
> mouth is, and produced for we users, a one-disk distribution that has 
> based its philosophy around the sharing of software.  However, it has 
> the seeds of becoming a fork and with it the possibility of dividing 
> the whole Debian community.  That is the threat I see, and I am giving 
> warning.


I think you FAIL to see what is happening..

Ubuntu is doing a VERY good job at being a Debian sub clone...

Taking the best of Debian and making it their own in the BEST open
source fashion...

Enough Said...

Vram




> 
> Please could we have some word from the Ubuntu developers?
> -- 
> 
> Old Rocker
> 




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 21 09:53:38 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:53:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Childrens Ubuntu. Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <r4ik.209gna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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>
> Since i have been able to fine-tune Ubuntu a little my children are
> getting more and more interested.
>
> My guess is it will not take to long before they want it also.
>
> Gaming? Use an other device.
There are a playstation2 using Linux from Sony - they should be fine.
Anyway there are som quality edutainment applications for 7-10 years kids:
gcompris and childsplay, tuxmath,tuxtype and tuxpaint.
Beside some outdated in their graphic I have found: scrabble, xdigger that
do work with Ubuntu.
I've had BIG problems with supertux and planetpenguin-racer (ppracer) that
have made my desktop collaps and al got really slooovly. I have to try to
restore the whole system just now.

If you know of some other games - please let me know!

Phillip



From davidandr at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 09:59:55 2005
From: davidandr at gmail.com (David Andrew)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:59:55 +0000
Subject: Childrens Ubuntu. Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
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	<31070.213.237.42.134.1135158818.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <b873c5200512210159r33c49726h@mail.gmail.com>

I installed edubuntu and my 7 year old really likes it and uses it
spontaneously.  What was important for my older son was when he was about 8
we got a programme called the games factory (windows) which enabled him to
design games - being the active developer of games was very good on a number
of levels - I will need to find a linux version.  Little Wizard is a
programming tool for kids I will look at it over Christmas - does anybody
else know any others?

On 21/12/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
> >
> > Since i have been able to fine-tune Ubuntu a little my children are
> > getting more and more interested.
> >
> > My guess is it will not take to long before they want it also.
> >
> > Gaming? Use an other device.
> There are a playstation2 using Linux from Sony - they should be fine.
> Anyway there are som quality edutainment applications for 7-10 years kids:
> gcompris and childsplay, tuxmath,tuxtype and tuxpaint.
> Beside some outdated in their graphic I have found: scrabble, xdigger that
> do work with Ubuntu.
> I've had BIG problems with supertux and planetpenguin-racer (ppracer) that
> have made my desktop collaps and al got really slooovly. I have to try to
> restore the whole system just now.
>
> If you know of some other games - please let me know!
>
> Phillip
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From list.account at gmx.net  Wed Dec 21 10:14:46 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:14:46 +0100
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <1135158957.12300.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
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> Am 21.12.2005, 10:55 Uhr, schrieb Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>:

>> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:30 +0000, Old Rocker wrote:

>> "Does it matter if Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork of Debian?" or "What do you
>> mean by a fork anyway?"

>> "Large-scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal
>> civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to
>> be avoided at all costs.  Forking is quite different from the
>> ideological differences that exist between the original free software
>> movement and the newer open source: it is not only possible but common
>> for people from different backgrounds to work together on a single
>> project.  In effect, there may be a rainbow of ideologies in a given
>> project.  A fork, however, is an either/or matter, and until those two
>> camps can effect a coming together, a process called "healing the
>> fork", the divergence between them is likely to grow and become ever
>> more unbridgeable."
>>
>> (Here the term "hacker" is used in its original form as a person who can
>> hack together some code, rather than the more pejorative description of
>> "cracker" which in fact people who break code, write viruses, etc.
>> should be given.)

>> Please could we have some word from the Ubuntu developers?
>> Old Rocker

that would be fine. could we please have some word of the Ubuntu  
developers? please.




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 10:08:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:08:21 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1135158957.12300.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Gowator.20dxra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Vram Wrote: 
> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:30 +0000, Old Rocker wrote:

> 

> 

> I think you FAIL to see what is happening..

> 

> Ubuntu is doing a VERY good job at being a Debian sub clone...

> 

> Taking the best of Debian and making it their own in the BEST open

> source fashion...

> 

> Enough Said...

> 

> Vram

> 

> 



Instead of quoting the OP try reading it.  Its all very good that the
OP obviously misses some astoundingly obvious point that you can see
but stragely enopugh so do I and I would guess most other people
reading your answer.  



wtf are you trying to say?  Other than we are too stupid to understand
some universal truth you mightest well have answered "Yes but the moon
is made of cheese"


-- 
Gowator



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 10:00:08 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:00:08 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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Does it have to be wiondows it replaced.  I haven't used that in nearly
10 years!  



Except I have a VMWARE session which runs Harraps Dictionary because I
can't get the Wine version to display text.  Otherwise its only used
for testing.


-- 
Gowator



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 21 10:24:37 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:24:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Childrens Ubuntu. Was: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <b873c5200512210159r33c49726h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><r4ik.209gna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><31070.213.237.42.134.1135158818.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
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> I installed edubuntu and my 7 year old really likes it and uses it
> spontaneously.  What was important for my older son was when he was about
> 8
> we got a programme called the games factory (windows) which enabled him to
> design games - being the active developer of games was very good on a
> number of levels - I will need to find a linux version.
This "games factory from windows, I have heard about some who got it to
work through a special Wine - the WineX version.

But I find it more interesting with your:
> Little Wizard is a
> programming tool for kids I will look at it over Christmas - does anybody
> else know any others?
Interesting! please let us here about your results! It is packed and not
directly part of Breezy. It seem part of Dabber, though.

regards

Phillip

> On 21/12/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Since i have been able to fine-tune Ubuntu a little my children are
>> > getting more and more interested.
>> >
>> > My guess is it will not take to long before they want it also.
>> >
>> > Gaming? Use an other device.
>> There are a playstation2 using Linux from Sony - they should be fine.
>> Anyway there are som quality edutainment applications for 7-10 years
>> kids:
>> gcompris and childsplay, tuxmath,tuxtype and tuxpaint.
>> Beside some outdated in their graphic I have found: scrabble, xdigger
>> that
>> do work with Ubuntu.
>> I've had BIG problems with supertux and planetpenguin-racer (ppracer)
>> that
>> have made my desktop collaps and al got really slooovly. I have to try
>> to
>> restore the whole system just now.
>>
>> If you know of some other games - please let me know!
>>
>> Phillip
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-users mailing list
>> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David Andrew
> MALTHE Course Leader
> CAPD  London Metropolitan University
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 10:25:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:25:50 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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Message-ID: <Tifred.20dyom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Almost...



I'm still using windows for music cause my sound card is not yet
recognized by linux (EMU drivers are not developped :( ) and software
for music creation are not as developped as on windows plateform... but
most of the time i'm using kubuntu cause i do preffer it... :D


-- 
Tifred



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 10:31:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:31:17 -0500
Subject: installing skype
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<bobfnordman.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <ashrack.20dyom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


bobfnordman Wrote: 
> update your repositories using this (courtesy aysiu's signature :D )

> 'Up-to-date repositories'
> (http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php)

> 

> then there should be a skype package



Did this, but skype is still not in the repositories.

Why?


-- 
ashrack



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 10:45:21 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:45:21 -0500
Subject: Anyone got mythtv working with nova-t dvb card yet?
References: <32b873ff0512010709j3d0ce2cbk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mattybain.20dzly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have, it is the new connexant type and I simply followed the
instructions on this site http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php it
just so happens this he has exactly the same set up as me.



Only hassle is the remote control which I can't get the arrow keys
working, other than that it is looking sweet 



See my other thread for the issues I have with the card

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=106279&highlight=nova-t


-- 
mattybain



From ogra at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 21 10:59:29 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:59:29 +0100
Subject: installing skype
In-Reply-To: <ashrack.20dyom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20051207075702.E52152747B@pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr>
	<bobfnordman.1zpfcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<ashrack.20dyom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1135162770.19758.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 21.12.2005, 05:31 -0500 schrieb 'Forum Post:
> Did this, but skype is still not in the repositories.
> 
> Why?
because its not released under a license that allows its
redistribution... you need to use the package from the skype homepage...

ciao
	oli
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From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 11:20:22 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:20:22 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 09:17:29PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 20:44, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Assuming they did. Many people just use webmail nowadays.

(snip figures)

> The facts supporting your assertion please?

In Cambridge, 18 months ago, webmail was used by 17500 users, IMAP 7800 
and POP 6700. The trend has been for webmail usage to increase at the 
expense of IMAP and POP, and it holds for most of UK academia. From 
discussion with people I know on the commercial side of things, much the 
same is true there. Lots of people use Hotmail, Yahoo and gmail and have 
never configured an SMTP server.
 
> > * And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't 
> > provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix 
> > supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?
> 
> I'm curious if there's any significance to your use of the word
> "smarthost" rather than "SMTP server".  If you mean that customers
> cannot use Outlook Express or Thunderbird or Evolution to send
> emails, would you mind disclosing the name of the ISP?  I have
> many relatives in the UK who need to know not to accept any
> special offers from such ISPs.

That's exactly what I mean, yes. BT's default package has this 
limitation. We need a solution that works for those users too.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From girishvnair at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 11:40:10 2005
From: girishvnair at gmail.com (girish nair)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:10:10 +0530
Subject: help me
Message-ID: <2f3206950512210340y3f338dfh316615bdf52d4b7e@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,
i got the ubuntu  breeezy badger version from launchpad team only recently,
and i liked the os .it was juz wen i was about to replace my windows that i
found something.
There is a problem with the os,
i dont get back the gui once i have switched to
any tty(1-6), and wen i press alt+ctrl+f7 again to get back to gui the
system hangs .
i am using p4 1.7ghz, 256 mb ddr ram,intel845glad board
can anyone help me plz to
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Girish V.Nair
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From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 11:42:50 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:42:50 +0000
Subject: Can't sleep on a G4 Powerbook
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Message-ID: <20051221114249.GA8179@srcf.ucam.org>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:38:46PM -0800, Peter Stoddard wrote:
> I am having a problem putting my Mac 12" Powerbook to sleep with Breezy
> like it did with Mac OSX.  To me, sleep means I the hard disk and the
> display are no longer active.  I have read a few posts about this, and
> am trying to understand it, but am not having much success.  I don't
> know where to begin, so here is some stuff I have done, and discovered.
> Any comments would be welcomed.

The 12" Powerbooks are nvidia based. We don't have any idea how to 
reinitialise the video, and so as a result sleep is disabled. Not a lot 
we can do, I'm afraid...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From niran at niran.org  Wed Dec 21 11:51:00 2005
From: niran at niran.org (Niran Babalola)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:51:00 -0600
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4fb1ba800512210351l69992babnd304070f18b4297@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> As yet, I don't think Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork, just a difference of
> ideology.  Ubuntu developers work with others in the Debian community
> it is true, but the vibes coming out of what I've read and seen, is
> that there is no close developing of software, and this worries me.
> Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various
> Debian repositories than going off on its own.

Forking is not inherently bad. The main problem you seem to have is
incompatibility between Ubuntu and Debian packages. It should be noted
that packages with separate branches of Debian itself are not even
compatible with each other. Ubuntu can't be compatible with stable
because no progress would be able to be made in the base of the system
between Debian releases. One of the main reasons for Ubuntu's
popularity is its relatively fast release cycle. Forcing compatibility
with stable sacrifices progress. Testing and unstable are both moving
targets, and are much harder to support. For Ubuntu to remain
compatible with either of those, it would have to get rid of actual
releases and become a moving target as well. Not only is that harder
to support, it's also less desired by users. Users want a stable
desktop that has been vetted for bugs, and Ubuntu's release cycle
accomplishes that for the most part.

Unless Debian releases as frequently as Ubuntu does (which is rather
undesirable), Debian packages will remain incompatible with Ubuntu
packages.

> Please could we have some word from the Ubuntu developers?

Scott James Remnant:
http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/ubuntu_and_debian.html
Benjamin Mako Hill: http://mako.cc/writing/to_fork_or_not_to_fork.html

--
Niran Babalola
http://niran.org



From theine at nordita.dk  Wed Dec 21 13:43:19 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:43:19 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A89F0B.3792@ij.net>
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On Wednesday 21 December 2005 01:17, Felix Miata wrote:
> If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just as
> well, that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network
> doesn't work, mc is magnitudes faster than vims and shells at
> integratedly navigating, finding, viewing, and editing.

I'm sorry, but this is just utter bullshit. You greatly overestimate the 
power of so-called OFM's.

Tobi



From tabbox at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:51:53 2005
From: tabbox at gmail.com (Tab Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:51:53 -0600
Subject: KVM / Wireless Card - Any Suggestions for a Breezy Box?
In-Reply-To: <du5n73-3kh.ln1@don.localnet>
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	<du5n73-3kh.ln1@don.localnet>
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> OSD=On Screen Display.

Sometimes the TLAs  beat me down so bad I can not even
http://www.googleityoumoron.com/. BTW, the card has been ordered.

tab

*three/two letter acronyms



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 13:47:10 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:47:10 -0500
Subject: [OT] Booting into IBM Rescue and Recovery
References: <6a53ef3b041022185059ef4be2@mail.gmail.com><a0c503c4041022210936125988@mail.gmail.com><6a53ef3b04102300057fd9cb7d@mail.gmail.com><1098529694.3996.13.camel@tyrosine><6a53ef3b04102308451591b203@mail.gmail.com><20041025135951.GA25331@cattlegrid.net><6a53ef3b0410250734294b6a47@mail.gmail.com><20041025181937.GA31111@cattlegrid.net><df5f317b0410251753618e3bc0@mail.gmail.com><521fb2a704102521472c0bfad1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a53ef3b0410260814204f6157@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok guys



Seems like this discussion is more about IBM and their policies than
the actual problem.



You all have a one year waranty and support on the Software that came
with your Laptop. During that period, you can order at any time the CDs
from IBM. (I did that and they even sent them to me after that year was
over for free)



But as i said, back to the problem:



When you install Grub it is a sin to do that into the MBR on a Thinkpad
with Rescue Partition, you all know that by now. I had a x40 and now
have a x41. Here the steps you have to take to have everything running
normally:



First, after recovering your Partitions, or unpacking the Laptop, boot
with some Linux CD (from a USB CD-Rom or Docking).

Mount hda1 and go to /windows/system32/ and rename the autoconvert.exe
to "noautoconvert.exe" (or anything else). This will prevent the system
to convert your Filesystem from the initial FAT32 to NTFS.



When you have everything installed. Shrink the FAT32 partition with
windows on it to a size you like.



Then install linux



make the 150 MB boot partition as the first one after the Windows
partition. Then you have to install GRUB to the BootRecord of that
partition. It will most likely be (hd0,2).



If you do that successfully, the only thing you have to do, is to set
that partition active, instead of the first (the windows) partition.



What will happen when you boot now:



Bios looks up the MBR, that one points to the Windows Boot Loader, that
one states, that the one and only ACTIVE partition present on the system
has to be booted (which in this case should be that one with GRUB on
it).



Well... there you go, have a super duper dualboot system, with IBM
rescue and recovery.



well... I have to say that this all worked for me on the x40. With the
x41 i still have some problems, but that seems to be a problem with
Ubuntu not being able to install into any other boot record than the
MBR. But I'll figure that out. It for sure works with FC4.



Well, have fun setting up your system!


-- 
qUBus



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 13:49:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:49:29 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><r4ik.209gna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><31070.213.237.42.134.1135158818.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><b873c5200512210159r33c49726h@mail.gmail.com>
	<31544.213.237.42.134.1135160677.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <grte.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I dual-booted for about four days after I first installed Ubuntu.  After
that, I was converted, and deleted Windows from my second hard disk.



I like to dive in feet first.


-- 
grte



From yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl  Wed Dec 21 13:59:17 2005
From: yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl (Yoram Hekma)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:59:17 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Live and sshd
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512200523yb7e2e78s574619c454981eb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1133896344.18034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<dddb23ef0512061128m268464bakae9d3ff8e6f4709a@mail.gmail.com>	<1133941278.9605.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43A7CB6A.9000509@unikaas.xs4all.nl>
	<cb39d0990512200523yb7e2e78s574619c454981eb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A95FB5.7080502@unikaas.xs4all.nl>

hometoast wrote:

>
>
> On 12/20/05, *Yoram Hekma* <yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:yoram.hekma at unikaas.xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Mario Splivalo wrote:
>
>     Again, if I am dead wrong, flame away:)
>
>
>
>
> I leave the flames out of it; but to me a "live" CD should work more 
> like the installed OS and less like a "demo" or "check-hardware" CD.

Fair enough, but that was exactly my point. If the cd functions as "the 
installed os" it is to me a "check-hardware" cd.
Ok, maybe it is too see how the Look and Feel(tm) is too, but you get my 
drift.

Knoppix is not meant to function or feel "like the os" because it IS the 
OS, therefore (IMO) it is more customized to run from CD (ie. it does 
not have to do the same stuff it hd-installed counterpart does, and 
instead can do things more efficiently)

I think we agree here, only maybe I didn't made my point clear.



From gcarzino at tiscali.it  Wed Dec 21 14:13:52 2005
From: gcarzino at tiscali.it (Gian Piero Carzino)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:13:52 +0100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
In-Reply-To: <E1EosQB-0002Fe-Kr@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EosQB-0002Fe-Kr@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A96320.3080309@tiscali.it>

Filipe Bonjour ha scritto:

> Just one doubt: why do you mention an RPM? Breezy has all the needed
> fglrx packages indeb format:
>
> $ dpkg -l | grep fgl
> ii  fglrx-control                        8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Control
>    panel for the ATI graphics accelerat
> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                     6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1
>    Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx-dev              6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Video
> driver for ATI graphics accelerators
>
> You load the "fglrx" driver in xorg.conf. Maybe the deb package
> doesn't exist for x64?

Thank you very much for your comment: that's what happens when you are
awake since more than 20 hours: when I looked in Ubuntu repositories I
didn't search for fglrx but for a driver named ati-something... and
later on I found on ATI site the proprietary driver (named fglrx), but
only on RPM format.

Loading xorg-driver-fglrx (and doing once more "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xorg") made the trick!

To make it load I had to unload the following extensions:
GLcore, glx and int10

-- 
Gian Piero Carzino
<gcarzino at tiscali.it>



From mrmazda at ij.net  Wed Dec 21 14:09:48 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:09:48 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<1135117776.4951.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A89F0B.3792@ij.net> <200512211443.19899.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>

Tobias Heinemann wrote:
 
> On Wednesday 21 December 2005 01:17, Felix Miata wrote:

> > If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just as
> > well, that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network
> > doesn't work, mc is magnitudes faster than vims and shells at
> > integratedly navigating, finding, viewing, and editing.
 
> I'm sorry, but this is just utter bullshit. You greatly overestimate the
> power of so-called OFM's.

As a non-user you, as others, grossly underestimate their power.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From trudheim at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:38:33 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:38:33 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<1135117776.4951.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A89F0B.3792@ij.net> <200512211443.19899.theine@nordita.dk>
	<43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512210638k27a392efgfeb624efcc6a898e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Felix Miata <mrmazda at ij.net> wrote:
> Tobias Heinemann wrote:

[snip: claims about being 2-20 times more efficient with an OFM]

> > I'm sorry, but this is just utter bullshit. You greatly overestimate the
> > power of so-called OFM's.
>
> As a non-user you, as others, grossly underestimate their power.

From all accounts, an OFM will not make it into the default install in
a hurry, because they are not required by the vast majority of
intended users.

While Felix may feel he is faster with an OFM, as he is entitled to,
gross over/under-estimations of their power diverges from the point.
Few use an OFM today and new users are highly unlikely to buck that
trend. mc was stripped out for a reason and anyone requiring it can
always apt-get it.

Now, can everyone drop the sharp implements, flamethrowers and
asbestos underwear and get on with helping people with technical
problems?

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 14:45:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:45:16 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><jjdvs1.2094ly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><daller.209c0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><200512182310.55760.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><arctic.209fpy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><r4ik.209gna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><31070.213.237.42.134.1135158818.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><b873c5200512210159r33c49726h@mail.gmail.com>
	<31544.213.237.42.134.1135160677.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<grte.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Revert.20eapz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I messed up my Windows partition when I first installed Ubuntu, so I
just said screw it and never went back.  Haven't regretted it, either.


-- 
Revert



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:01:32 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:01:32 +0500
Subject: How to _DISABLE_ Bonobo Activation FrameWork, SSH Agent,
 GNome Keyring Daemon and Mapping Daemon FOR GOOD
Message-ID: <43A96E4C.1040708@gmail.com>

Hi,

I want to _disable_ the following services for good - they should never 
activate again:

                Bonobo Activation FrameWork
                SSH Agent
                GNome KeyRing Daemon
                Mapping Daemon


I just do _not_ want to have additional load on my system, which is just 
1.7GHz Celeron, as I want to use the yet-to-be-freed resources for tasks 
that add _more_ value to my work.  The services mentioned above keep 
starting again and again no matter how many times you "End" them using 
System Monitor.  I haven't gone into the detail of their inner workings 
but suspect very rightly that Bonobo is Linux equivalent of the 
Microsoft's ActiveX and any CORBA object on my system can be activated 
remotely by anyone.  Same goes with SSH:  it can be used to remotely 
connect to my system without using a password as the brief description 
of its web page suggests.

I would be very thankful if you guys could tell me a way to disable 
these services once and for all - so that they don't start again ever.  
How I can uninstall/remove them from my system?

--
Thanks in advance,

Asif




From jan.moren at lucs.lu.se  Wed Dec 21 15:00:47 2005
From: jan.moren at lucs.lu.se (Jan Moren)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:00:47 +0900
Subject: How do I stop eth0?
Message-ID: <1135177247.7151.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I wonder how I stop eth0 from being brought up whenever I come back from
sleep? Or from booting, for that matter?



-- 
Dr. Jan Morén (mr)              
Japan:  090-3622 8920           jan.moren at lucs.lu.se
Sweden: 031-360 7723            http://lucs.lu.se/people/jan.moren




From nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Dec 21 15:10:04 2005
From: nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:10:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Thanks to all - but Ubuntu is for geeks
In-Reply-To: <43A80505.9070108@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0512210907300.3137-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Wade Smart wrote:

> 12202005 0718 GMT-5
> 
> Isnt everything made to the MS standard? Monitors dont say - AND Apple & 
> Linux approved. No, they say Windows compatible. The fact that linux 
> does support so many hardware devices is great!
> 
> Wade
> 
>

I agree!  Ubuntu is amazingly adept at supporting nearly any
hardware I can throw at it.  It's my fourth linux distro and
I'm very pleased with it.

Kind regards,
Nancy
 

-- 
Nancy Rudins    nrudins at ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nrudins/

Take a sad song and make it better.  (lennon/mccartney)





From theine at nordita.dk  Wed Dec 21 15:11:31 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:11:31 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512211443.19899.theine@nordita.dk> <43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>
Message-ID: <200512211611.31939.theine@nordita.dk>

On Wednesday 21 December 2005 15:09, Felix Miata wrote:
> Tobias Heinemann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 December 2005 01:17, Felix Miata wrote:
> > > If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just
> > > as well, that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network
> > > doesn't work, mc is magnitudes faster than vims and shells at
> > > integratedly navigating, finding, viewing, and editing.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but this is just utter bullshit. You greatly
> > overestimate the power of so-called OFM's.
>
> As a non-user you, as others, grossly underestimate their power.

Fine. Let's say you and I underestimate the power of shells and OFM's 
respectively.

Tobi



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 15:05:28 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:05:28 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <oi7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 09:42:27PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> > Becuse the assumption that pretty much everyone checks the regular mail
>> > stream is inaccurate. In a default install (even pre-Breezy) that mail
>> > doesn't go anywhere that most users are likely to see it. My girlfriend
>> > doesn't go around opening terminals in order to check whether any cron
>> > mail has turned up.
>> 
>> But your girlfriend _does_ go around reading her "girlfriend at gmail.com"
>> mail, which I think is Mike's point.  If you _insist_ on the MTA, then
>> use debconf correctly to specify where to send system notifications, then
>> she would have it sent to her usual email account - NOT local delivery.
> 
> There's multiple problems here:
> 
> 1) You can't just provide an email address. You also need to provide a
> smarthost.

Absolutely - as I've pointed out elsewhere, if you deliver mail it's
mandatory that the MTA be configured correctly out of the box - and I'm not
sure that's a solvable problem.

> 2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of
> internet access

I think that's not true.  There are very few people these days who use a
computer but not the Internet.

> 3) Even those who do have email addresses don't necessarily want to
> receive piles of email telling them that there are files in lost+found
> without telling them what to do about that

That's nothing to do with the issue at hand.  I think you're trying to solve
a problem at too high a level.   If an app is sending a notification that
there are files in lost+found without an explanation, the app needs to be
fixed.  Just discarding the mail is not a solution, and changing the
notification method won't solve the problem that Joe User won't know what
to do about it.  You might as well simplify things by just discarding any
files in lost+found (isn't the default install on Reiser, anyway? - no
lost+found :-) )

> 4) It's an extra couple of questions on install that would only benefit
> a tiny number of users

That's a matter of interpretation.  imo, if we now have notifications being
discarded, then it's an issue potentially affecting all users.
> 
> As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification
> reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think
> that's achievable.

And I look forward to the solution - all the same, removing the MTA from the
default installation before the solution is in place is premature. 
-- 
derek




From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Wed Dec 21 15:22:39 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:22:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: captive-ntfs & prepmod
Message-ID: <20051221152240.91588.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello there,

I'm running up against a problem while trying to mount
a partition with captive-ntfs as filesystem type.

/usr/share/lufs/prepmod returns the following:

+ /sbin/modprobe lufs 2>/dev/null
 Preparing LUFS kernel module... Run
/usr/share/lufs/prepmod if problems occur.
 Running kernel version: 2.6.8.1-3-386 (base version
2.6.8.1)
 Destination module directory:
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/fs/lufs
 Using kernel sources:
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
 + set -e; /bin/mkdir -p `dirname
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko`; /bin/rm -f
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko; make -C
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
SUBDIRS="/usr/share/lufs/2.6" modules EXTRA_CFLAGS="";
/bin/mv -f /usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.ko
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko; /bin/rm -f
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/proc.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.proc.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.proc.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/inode.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.inode.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.inode.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.dir.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.dir.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/file.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.file.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.file.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/symlink.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.symlink.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.symlink.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.mod.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.mod.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.mod.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.mod.c
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.ko.cmd;

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found
 make: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
   CC [M]  /usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o
   /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
   make[1]: *** [/usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o] Error 127
   make: *** [_module_/usr/share/lufs/2.6] Error 2
   make: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
   + find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build -name
.depend|xargs rm -f; rm -f
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/scripts/mkdep; rm -f
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/scripts/split-include;
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build dep
  
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found
  
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found
   make: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
   *** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now.
   make: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
   + set -e; /bin/mkdir -p `dirname
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko`; /bin/rm -f
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko; make -C
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
SUBDIRS="/usr/share/lufs/2.6" modules EXTRA_CFLAGS="";
/bin/mv -f /usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.ko
/var/lib/lufs/lufs.ko; /bin/rm -f
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/proc.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.proc.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.proc.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/inode.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.inode.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.inode.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.dir.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.dir.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/file.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.file.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.file.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/symlink.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.symlink.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.symlink.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.mod.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.mod.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.mod.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.o
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.o.flags
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.o.cmd
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/lufs.mod.c
/usr/share/lufs/2.6/.lufs.ko.cmd;
  
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found
  
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh:
line 1: gcc: command not found
   make: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
     CC [M]  /usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o
     /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
     make[1]: *** [/usr/share/lufs/2.6/dir.o] Error
127
     make: *** [_module_/usr/share/lufs/2.6] Error 2
     make: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
     Failed to prepare lufs.ko module for your Linux
kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386.
     Detected Linux kernel sources
"/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build" do not appear to be
valid.
     Please install kernel-source-x.y.z.i386.rpm or
kernel-headers_x.y.z_i386.deb.
     The following directory paths were search (first
existing directory used):
                /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
		/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
		/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-3-386
		/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1
		/usr/src/linux
		/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8.1-3-386


What is going wrong please?

Bahya

PS: I am unable to install kernel-source-2.6.8.1-3-386
(neither linux-source-2.6.8.1-3-386) using apt-get:
# apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8.1-3-386
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.8.1-3-386


	

	
		
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 15:20:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:20:15 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<d12e5c90511301736l55f2b2fcne16c61c52bbf092f@mail.gmail.com>
	<arpunk.1zc99y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<senectus.1zca7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<matthew.1zcb4m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<briguy.1zcc1z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <miisterwright.20eckm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I dropped Windows about a year ago. I was using MEPIS at the time. Then
I tried SuSE 10 and Debian. But I'm using Ubuntu exclusively now.  I
really wanted out of WindowsXP!!!


-- 
miisterwright



From tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Dec 21 15:44:50 2005
From: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk (Tony Arnold)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:44:50 +0000
Subject: How do I stop eth0?
In-Reply-To: <1135177247.7151.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135177247.7151.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A97872.1080403@manchester.ac.uk>

Jan,

Jan Moren wrote:
> I wonder how I stop eth0 from being brought up whenever I come back from
> sleep? Or from booting, for that matter?

Comment out or remove the line 'auto eth0' in /etc/network/interfaces.
You will need to be root or use sudo to edit this file.

Or you could use the menu entry System->Administration->Networking and
deactivate the interface.

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester,
IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.
T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039
E: tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk, H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold



From awfabian at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:44:53 2005
From: awfabian at gmail.com (Adam Fabian)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:44:53 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	(Senectus .'s message of "Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:49:56 +0800")
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>

Since everybody and their dog has weighed in on this topic, I figure I
might as well, too.

Ubuntu is a leading Linux distribution, and I would very much like to
see LSB compliance.

"Linux for human beings" could mean configuring things so that, by
default, mail into the local spool isn't hidden.  Maybe something in
the toolbar that tells you that you have a message from the system, or
a program.  But it's just assumed that if you're on something
resembling UNIX, port 25 is listening.

Nothing wrong with simplifying and streamlining, and creating
something that's easy-to-use, but an MTA should be listening on the
localhost for the day when the user discovers, unfortunately, that
some program has decided to use it as a (valid) channel of
communication with the user.  Those programs will silently fail and
discard potentially needed information.  You might just as well rip
out /var/log in the name of simplicity; it'll break some programs, but
they'll probably trundle along, a savvy enough user can mkdir
/var/log, chown and chmod, but it's really stupid and silly to break
an invisible convention that isn't complicating an user's life until
they discover it anyway.  The fact is, a great many programs assume
that an MTA and local mail delivery is available, and those programs
are broken by default on Ubuntu.  To even be self-consistent, every
program in the Ubuntu core should be audited to make sure that it
doesn't try to make use of local mail delivery (the packaging system,
which uses email, needs to be modified; cron, certainly.)  And, of
course, forget compatibility with the rest of the Linux world, where
programs will go on thoughtlessly assuming a local mail system is
available.  Of course, that's a silly proposition, but if you start
your arguments with absurd premises, you're likely to draw absurd
conclusions.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:52:54 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:52:54 +1100
Subject: How do I stop eth0?
Message-ID: <43A97A56.9040101@optusnet.com.au>

Go to Systems => Administration => Networking

Then double click on the Ethernet connection you would like to disable, 
the sould be labeled as "Ethernet Connection" and underneath the number 
and status of the connection ill be displayed.

Once in the properties box, deselect the "Enable this Connection" checkbox.

Then press Ok, then Ok in the main Networking window, and you're done.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 15:10:20 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:10:20 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <sr7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> Just in case you're in any doubt - if important information is being
> generated by the system, it is not acceptable for that information to be
> dropped in a file in /var/spool that many users will never interact with
> in any way. 

That's good to hear, but somebody (I thought, you) already suggested it
should be logged through syslog.  Are you assuring us that that is also not
sufficient?  Ordinary users are no more likely to interact with that than
with /var/spool.

> * And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't
> provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix
> supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?

What?  They provide no email service to their users, at all, except through
webmail?
-- 
derek




From mrmazda at ij.net  Wed Dec 21 16:20:09 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:20:09 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512211443.19899.theine@nordita.dk> <43A9622C.1A9E@ij.net>
	<200512211611.31939.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <43A980B9.7870@ij.net>

Tobias Heinemann wrote:
 
> On Wednesday 21 December 2005 15:09, Felix Miata wrote:

> > Tobias Heinemann wrote:

> > > I'm sorry, but this is just utter bullshit. You greatly
> > > overestimate the power of so-called OFM's.

> > As a non-user you, as others, grossly underestimate their power.
 
> Fine. Let's say you and I underestimate the power of shells and OFM's
> respectively.

I know how powerful shells are. Quickly and easily traversing and
examining directory trees and their contents is definitely not among
those powers, at least not by comparision to even the least powerful of
OFMs.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 15:10:20 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:10:20 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <sr7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Matthew Garrett wrote:

> Just in case you're in any doubt - if important information is being
> generated by the system, it is not acceptable for that information to be
> dropped in a file in /var/spool that many users will never interact with
> in any way. 

That's good to hear, but somebody (I thought, you) already suggested it
should be logged through syslog.  Are you assuring us that that is also not
sufficient?  Ordinary users are no more likely to interact with that than
with /var/spool.

> * And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't
> provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix
> supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?

Incredible.  Much as I agree we must support their users, I hate the 
thought that we're encouraging such ISPs.
-- 
derek




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 21 16:31:08 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:31:08 +1100
Subject: How to _DISABLE_ Bonobo Activation FrameWork, SSH Agent, GNome
 Keyring Daemon and Mapping Daemon FOR GOOD
In-Reply-To: <43A96E4C.1040708@gmail.com>
References: <43A96E4C.1040708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051222033108.d406314f.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:01:32 +0500
Asif Lodhi <asif.lodhi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to _disable_ the following services for good - they should never 
> activate again:
> 
>                 Bonobo Activation FrameWork
>                 SSH Agent
>                 GNome KeyRing Daemon
>                 Mapping Daemon
> 
> 
> I just do _not_ want to have additional load on my system, which is just 
> 1.7GHz Celeron, as I want to use the yet-to-be-freed resources for tasks 
> that add _more_ value to my work.  

I think you misunderstand how this works. Daemons do not run constantly in
the manner you appear to think. If you run "top" in a terminal you will
see that most processes at any given time are "sleeping". 

For example, currently on my machine I have

Tasks:  94 total,   2 running,  92 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie

The fact that a process is "listed" does not mean that it is running in
the sense that it is gobbling resources - just that it is "ready to run".
If you check the %CPU and %MEM columns in "top" you will see that most of
the things you are so concerned about are using minuscule resources, most
of the time.


>The services mentioned above keep 
> starting again and again no matter how many times you "End" them using 
> System Monitor.  I haven't gone into the detail of their inner workings 
> but suspect very rightly that Bonobo is Linux equivalent of the 
> Microsoft's ActiveX 

Umm... no. There is (thank goodness) , no Linux equivalent to ActiveX.

> and any CORBA object on my system can be activated 
> remotely by anyone.  

Nothing can be activated remotely on an Ubuntu machine by default, because
no servers run by default. Nothing is listening. If you install servers,
then you decide the policy according to which you want those services to
be accessible.

> Same goes with SSH:  it can be used to remotely 
> connect to my system without using a password as the brief description 
> of its web page suggests.

Not by default, and only by the use of public/private keypairs. Since you
control that, the risk of passwordless login that you fear is non-existent.
SSH is precisely for the purpose of safe, encrypted communication.
Passwordless login can only be achieved if configured, and as I said
above, only by using keypairs. You have nothing to worry about. If you
want to stop sshd listening on the internet interface, any simple firewall
like, for example, "Firestarter" can be easily configured to drop port 22.
If you use a router you can configure that to block/drop connections as
well. Unless you have installed openssh-server, you only have the client
for ssh anyway, so this is a non-issue in a default Ubuntu install.

> 
> I would be very thankful if you guys could tell me a way to disable 
> these services once and for all - so that they don't start again ever.  
> How I can uninstall/remove them from my system?

I think you are being fearful for no reason, and over-concerned about
the processes you name, based on a misunderstanding of the way the OS
actually works.
> 
> --
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Asif


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 16:35:33 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:35:33 +0000
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
In-Reply-To: <Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <22fe482e0512201856t20b9532fg2fb0d01d99b645d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A8E33B.3010000@cfl.rr.com> <Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Emerzen.20dmna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <22fe482e0512210835x5eaffa2ei35a8e22436bbdff4@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm... okay.

Thanks for the help everyone.

I don't have any more blanks but I'll try to give the LiveCD a go first.

I'm a little suspicious as to why the Breezy installer did not offer to
resize the ntfs partition for me. If I can resize the partition in the
advacned partitioner (and that's an if)  then why would the guided
partitioner not offer to do it for me?

I am also a bit suspicious about these small utility partitions and ghost
images. I came across a machine once (don't remember if it was a Dell) that
had some sort of low-level disk monitor running below the OS level that
monitored for changes in the partitioning scheme each time before booting
Windows... I installed Fedora dual-boot, but when I tried to boot into
Windows it 'detected a change in my partitions' and refused to boot unless I
allowed it to 'restore the machine to factory settings.' I eventually
allowed it to do this, and it turned out the WinXP install was restored
(with user files) but GRUB was destroyed and the Linux partitions were all
corrupted (I tried reading them with Knoppix) destroying users files.

That was for a research group in Ottawa, their office machine is still
running Windows XP to this day because of that booby trap. We resolved that
the only way to dual-boot it would be to install a second hard drive.

But from ulist's experience with this same Dell system, it sounds like it
does not contain an active disk monitor of this sort and should be safe.

On 12/21/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> When I installed Hoary I had to change a couple of the settings in the
> BIOS to get it to install...under disk controllers, change the setting
> to the last option on the right (PATA).  I also had to set USB control
> to "OFF", in other words, to let the OS have control of the USB.  This
> is w/ the latest BIOS from Dell...AO7.  If you haven't updated to this
> version, you should.
>
>
>
> With Breezy, I changed my disk controllers back to Auto/confi/SATA (the
> same as w/ XP) and Breezy installed fine and has worked w/out a hitch.
>
>
>
>
> So, bottom line is you should be able to install Breezy w/o a glitch
> (try Live CD 1st to be sure) but keep in mind once the MBR gets
> overwritten you lose the ability to do the "Dell PC Restore" (Symantec
> image).
>
>
> --
> Emerzen
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 16:22:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:22:20 -0500
Subject: captive-ntfs & prepmod
References: <20051221152240.91588.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <phillyboy.20efcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


line 1: gcc: command not found



Do you have any version of gcc installed?



If it is version 4.0, then the link for /usr/gcc/bin should be there.



If you had 3.3 or 3.4 installed then do this:



setenv CC gcc-3.4



It should work then.



If you need gcc:



sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4


-- 
phillyboy



From trudheim at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 16:52:59 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:52:59 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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On 12/21/05, Adam Fabian <awfabian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since everybody and their dog has weighed in on this topic, I figure I
> might as well, too.
>
> Ubuntu is a leading Linux distribution, and I would very much like to
> see LSB compliance.

Dito.

> "Linux for human beings" could mean configuring things so that, by
> default, mail into the local spool isn't hidden.  Maybe something in
> the toolbar that tells you that you have a message from the system, or
> a program.  But it's just assumed that if you're on something
> resembling UNIX, port 25 is listening.

Nope. You usually get the option "Local Delivery Only" when you
install Exim on Debian (the default iirc) and that gives you
/usr/bin/sendmail but nothing listens to port 25.

IIRC and all that... And assumptions are really bad for the health..
Assuming it is safe to stand on a railtrack just because you haven't
seen a train for a few hours is rather a silly thing to do. Similarly,
assuming an MTA always and forever will be installed, just because you
would prefer it that way, will leave you disappointed from time to
time.

> Nothing wrong with simplifying and streamlining, and creating
> something that's easy-to-use, but an MTA should be listening on the
> localhost for the day when the user discovers, unfortunately, that
> some program has decided to use it as a (valid) channel of
> communication with the user.  Those programs will silently fail and
> discard potentially needed information.  You might just as well rip
> out /var/log in the name of simplicity; it'll break some programs, but
> they'll probably trundle along, a savvy enough user can mkdir
> /var/log, chown and chmod, but it's really stupid and silly to break
> an invisible convention that isn't complicating an user's life until
> they discover it anyway.  The fact is, a great many programs assume
> that an MTA and local mail delivery is available, and those programs
> are broken by default on Ubuntu.  To even be self-consistent, every
> program in the Ubuntu core should be audited to make sure that it
> doesn't try to make use of local mail delivery (the packaging system,
> which uses email, needs to be modified; cron, certainly.)  And, of
> course, forget compatibility with the rest of the Linux world, where
> programs will go on thoughtlessly assuming a local mail system is
> available.  Of course, that's a silly proposition, but if you start
> your arguments with absurd premises, you're likely to draw absurd
> conclusions.

In the default install of Ubuntu (the desktop variant) the way your
average non-expert user would go about it, the only message you would
get from cron is about a dangling symlink. To be frank, the package
that contains the dangling symlink should probably be fixed, and then
you would get nothing. Your average non-technical user will not
install his/her system in a way that he/she would want to see the
output of 'mdadm -F' or anything along those lines.

If you have the need to see such messages, you have the technical
savvy to install the MTA required to get those messages delivered.

Perhaps Ubuntu should look into commissioning a small perl script that
handles local delivery to the user set up in the install process? That
would require no configuration during the install, and if
/usr/bin/sendmail points to /etc/alternatives/sendmail which points to
the script, when a full MTA is installed, it can change the
/etc/alternatives symlink.
It neatly shuts up the people complaining about missing out on a
single useless warning about dangling symlink, it will draw very
little space and will pose no real security threat. If anyone require
anything more than local delivery only, they could, and should,
install a proper MTA and configure it properly as well.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Wed Dec 21 16:54:11 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:54:11 -0700
Subject: VMWare Player in Multiverse?
In-Reply-To: <20051216174550.3dbb9a27.monotux@gmail.com>
References: <200512150949.18875.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>	<86zmn25ujm.fsf@gmail.com>	<1abd6b930512150811h25d94a21gf963f65f70cb1818@mail.gmail.com>	<86bqzi42lv.fsf@gmail.com>
	<43A1CE05.5020804@militant.dk>	<1134688745.7863.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1abd6b930512152236h1de7a1cfhd5fa58d9119d3690@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051216174550.3dbb9a27.monotux@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A988B3.9070309@angrykeyboarder.com>

Oscar wrote:

 >
> Xen seems to be the next hype in this area - there's a howto over at howtoforge, if you want to try it out.
> 
> http://www.howtoforge.org/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu
> 

If only it ran Windows.


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Wed Dec 21 16:55:07 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:55:07 +0100 (CET)
Subject: captive-ntfs & prepmod
In-Reply-To: <phillyboy.20efcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051221165507.11023.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have gcc-3.4.
I run "setenv CC gcc-3.4" but I got "-su: setenv:
command not found"!
Which package do I need to install please?

Many thanks

Bahya

--- 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,
'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com a écrit :

> 
> line 1: gcc: command not found
> 
> 
> 
> Do you have any version of gcc installed?
> 
> 
> 
> If it is version 4.0, then the link for /usr/gcc/bin
> should be there.
> 
> 
> 
> If you had 3.3 or 3.4 installed then do this:
> 
> 
> 
> setenv CC gcc-3.4
> 
> 
> 
> It should work then.
> 
> 
> 
> If you need gcc:
> 
> 
> 
> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
> 
> 
> -- 
> phillyboy
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 



	

	
		
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 16:45:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:45:56 -0500
Subject: Hamachi
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Check out my post here:



http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=592562&postcount=14



Regards,

Chris


-- 
MicroChris



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 17:16:41 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:16:41 -0500
Subject: captive-ntfs & prepmod
In-Reply-To: <20051221165507.11023.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051221165507.11023.qmail@web25809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135185401.1456.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Although I think that using Captive NTFS is just inviting disaster if
you wanna do it I fix your problem.

Okay, first make sure you have the tools

sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc-3.4

Then

export CC=gcc-3.4

then try to compile again.

But don't be surprised if you corrupt your NTFS partition....

~ Chris Peterman



On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 17:55 +0100, Bahya NASSR EDDINE wrote:
> I have gcc-3.4.
> I run "setenv CC gcc-3.4" but I got "-su: setenv:
> command not found"!
> Which package do I need to install please?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Bahya
> 
> --- 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,
> '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com a écrit :
> 
> > 
> > line 1: gcc: command not found
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Do you have any version of gcc installed?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If it is version 4.0, then the link for /usr/gcc/bin
> > should be there.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you had 3.3 or 3.4 installed then do this:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > setenv CC gcc-3.4
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It should work then.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you need gcc:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > phillyboy
> > 
> > -- 
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 		
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 17:09:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:09:37 -0500
Subject: Iriver
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I also tried installing DSL on iRiver as bootable version.

Couple of problems I had:

- I could not make my computer to boot from iRiver without
bootfloppy-usb floppy

- after installing DSL into iRiver (as bootable version) iRiver worked
only as radio. It did not find music files I had copied into it.



It was fun to try this kind of thing, but now I have removed DSL from
iRiver completely.

Usb memory sticks are really cheap these days, so if I find some use
for this kind of thing I will buy one. There are also many other
distros designed for usb sticks that would be fun to test :-)


-- 
Ufo



From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Wed Dec 21 17:27:45 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:27:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: captive-ntfs & prepmod
In-Reply-To: <1135185401.1456.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051221172745.44456.qmail@web25811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thank you very much Chris for your help.
That worked!!

Kind regards

--- Chris Peterman <c.peterman at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Although I think that using Captive NTFS is just
> inviting disaster if
> you wanna do it I fix your problem.
> 
> Okay, first make sure you have the tools
> 
> sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc-3.4
> 
> Then
> 
> export CC=gcc-3.4
> 
> then try to compile again.
> 
> But don't be surprised if you corrupt your NTFS
> partition....
> 
> ~ Chris Peterman
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 17:55 +0100, Bahya NASSR
> EDDINE wrote:
> > I have gcc-3.4.
> > I run "setenv CC gcc-3.4" but I got "-su: setenv:
> > command not found"!
> > Which package do I need to install please?
> > 
> > Many thanks
> > 
> > Bahya
> > 
> > --- 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,
> > '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com a écrit :
> > 
> > > 
> > > line 1: gcc: command not found
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Do you have any version of gcc installed?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If it is version 4.0, then the link for
> /usr/gcc/bin
> > > should be there.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you had 3.3 or 3.4 installed then do this:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > setenv CC gcc-3.4
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It should work then.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you need gcc:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > phillyboy
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > >
> >
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 	
> > 
> > 	
> > 		
> >
>
___________________________________________________________________________
> 
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From behrangsa at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 17:36:33 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:06:33 +0330
Subject: How to connect to my Ubuntu via a VNC Viewer?
In-Reply-To: <1134728603.8586.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>
	<2991d56c0512152103s14e8ae21o9361182311a2c671@mail.gmail.com>
	<1134728603.8586.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Hi Neil,

How can I choose Vino in Hoary? The Remote Desktop preferences dialog does
not have an option for choosing my VNC server :-?

Regards,
Behi

On 12/16/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:33 +0330, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just found out how to connect the PCs by reading the man for x11vnc.
> >
> > - Behi
> >
> > On 12/16/05, Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have installed a VNC viewer on my Windows XP and I want to be able
> > > to access my Ubuntu (Hoary) through it. I also installed x11vnc on
> > > Hoary. Now what other steps do I have to follow in order to connect to
> > > my Hoary via VNC?
> > >
>
> You can also set up the default server (presumably Vino) for incoming
> VNC by using System->Preferences->Remote Desktop.
>
> Neil
>
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Turing

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http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 17:28:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:28:15 -0500
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
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I can assure you that their is no Dell process monitoring your partition
scheme (well, I can't actually assure this but here's my experience): 
I've added hard-drives, optical drives, floppies and various PCI
cards...I've partitioned and repartitioned many times as I like to try
different distributions frequently (Debian, Kubuntu, PCBSD, OpenSUSE,
etc...)  Never had any difficulty doing any of this. 



I've never tried to resize an NTFS partition w/ the installer tool.  I
use Partition Magic to alter my partitions most often.  Their is a tool
on the LiveCD (I'm pretty sure) under one of the menus called Qparted or
QTparted.  You should be able to alter your partitions w/ that tool
(I've used it to change Ext3's) from the LiveCD.  It also has the
advantage of being able to do it immediately as your drive won't be
mounted automatically w/ the LiveCD.


-- 
Emerzen



From sean.hammond at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 17:57:42 2005
From: sean.hammond at gmail.com (Sean Hammond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:57:42 +0000
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
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> I've never tried to resize an NTFS partition w/ the installer tool.  I
> use Partition Magic to alter my partitions most often.  Their is a tool
> on the LiveCD (I'm pretty sure) under one of the menus called Qparted or
> QTparted.  You should be able to alter your partitions w/ that tool
> (I've used it to change Ext3's) from the LiveCD.  It also has the
> advantage of being able to do it immediately as your drive won't be
> mounted automatically w/ the LiveCD.



Thanks, I might try it that way. I did try resizing a Windows ntfs partition
once, I already had Ubuntu installed dual-booted, and parted (GParted I
think, the GNOME frontend) said it couldn't make partition changes to any
device that had any partitions mounted. Since Ubuntu and Windows were on the
same device, there was no way to resize any of the partitions. I think the
error message may have been wrong though, as I tried using the partition
tool from the Ubuntu LiveCD and it told me the same thing, even though no
partitions from the hard disk were mounted.

I will try again with this system and see what happens. I don't think
there's much chance of GParted actually breaking anything if it fails, as I
messed around with it failing quite a lot on this other machine and none of
the failures made any changes to any partitions.
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From papabeardk at comporium.net  Wed Dec 21 18:02:24 2005
From: papabeardk at comporium.net (David)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:02:24 -0500
Subject: X server Error
In-Reply-To: <amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net>
	<amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43A998B0.9020203@comporium.net>

Thanks for the reply,
I tried to get the command below to run, did not work, "command not 
found". I think I did figure out the sudo part, and using cd found the 
etc folder, but did not find the X11 folder. Of course I tried to run it 
straight before tryng to find the folders.

Also, is commenting it out similar to DOS with the  REM command?

David
 
'Forum Post wrote:

>DO the following:
>
>  
>
>>sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>>    
>>
>
>Look for a the word *dri* and comment out the line.
>
>HTH
>
>
>  
>




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Dec 21 17:50:19 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:50:19 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
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Anders Karlsson wrote:

> On 12/21/05, Adam Fabian <awfabian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nothing wrong with simplifying and streamlining, and creating
>> something that's easy-to-use, but an MTA should be listening on the
>> localhost for the day when the user discovers, unfortunately, that
>> some program has decided to use it as a (valid) channel of
>> communication with the user.

That's why we have package management.  Any program that will "decide to
use" an MTA as a channel of communication must define an MTA (preferably
generic) as a dependency.  My principle objection at this point is that
there are packages that _will_ do that (like cron) but do not make the MTA
mandatory.

> In the default install of Ubuntu (the desktop variant) the way your
> average non-expert user would go about it, the only message you would
> get from cron is about a dangling symlink. 

I don't know how you can be sure of that.  Is logrotate not there by
default?  What does it do when run by cron, and there's no space for logs?
(admittedly, in such a case, there's likely no room for mail spool either).  

> To be frank, the package 
> that contains the dangling symlink should probably be fixed, and then
> you would get nothing.

Of course it should.  And when apps stop trying to send mail, remove the
MTA.
> 
> Perhaps Ubuntu should look into commissioning a small perl script that
> handles local delivery to the user set up in the install process? That
> would require no configuration during the install, and if
> /usr/bin/sendmail points to /etc/alternatives/sendmail which points to
> the script, when a full MTA is installed, it can change the
> /etc/alternatives symlink.

Except Matthew's saying that we can't trust the Ubuntu user to be able to
read "local" mail.  And if you do have something that does local delivery
to any particular user, wouldn't it be just as easy to install one of the
small MTAs configured for local delivery only?

> It neatly shuts up the people complaining about missing out on a
> single useless warning about dangling symlink

Nobody is complaining about that.  That is a _symptom_ of another problem. 
The problem is that we have an existing notification system and programs
take advantage of it without forcing a dependency on an MTA.
-- 
derek




From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 21 18:14:32 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:14:32 -0800
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
	<1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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I beg to differ: I have been using aMule for more than a year and the
version I am currently using (2.0.2) is *extremely* stable; at the
moment, the current uptime for aMule running on my desktop system is
more than three months, sharing many files. I think the problem you
are having comes from trying to download too many files at once; it
takes a certain CPU overhead to process each of those (calculating
hashes etc) and it all adds up. Try scaling back the number of active
downloads to a couple of dozen at most.

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 18:11:18 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:11:18 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org><loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org><515e525f0512202209v11185762i593ced0cd4abfa5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1686644965.20051221145508@freenet.de>
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Chanchao Wrote: 
> 

> But Apple people are almost as annoying, glorifying how stupid the

> thing allows them to be. "Oh sorry, I completely don't know what "Avi"

> or "Mpeg" or "megabytes" or anything mean; I just put my camera within

> 3 feet of my Mac for 10 minutes and it spit out an edited DVD with

> nice menus all by itself, even the label was already on it.



Hilarious!



I bought a mac around Jan or Feb this year -- I was attracted the "unix
underpinnings" -- whatever -- the CLI mostly works as I'd expect, but
there are serious useability issues w/ OSX.  I keep finding new things
that irk me.  Anyway, the linux distros I've tried are better than OSX
by a mile, and Ubuntu is really slick.



I guess it's time to browse around for whether the two-finger-scroll
trackpads are supported cause I'm aching to ditch OSX.


-- 
ninotob



From ed at fletcher.ca  Wed Dec 21 18:23:46 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:23:46 -0800
Subject: X server Error
In-Reply-To: <43A998B0.9020203@comporium.net>
References: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net>	<amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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David wrote:
| Thanks for the reply,
| I tried to get the command below to run, did not work, "command not
| found". I think I did figure out the sudo part, and using cd found the
| etc folder, but did not find the X11 folder. Of course I tried to run it
| straight before tryng to find the folders.
|
| Also, is commenting it out similar to DOS with the  REM command?
|
| David
|
| 'Forum Post wrote:
|
|> DO the following:
|>
|>
|>
|>> sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
|>>
|>
|>
|> Look for a the word *dri* and comment out the line.
|>
|> HTH

I think you need to run

sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Then you will be able to edit that file.

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From whb at ceimaine.org  Wed Dec 21 18:20:14 2005
From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will H. Backman)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:20:14 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <r7ho73-im9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>	<oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>	<515e525f0512210852u2420e2b8n4a36e2d58463f3ff@mail.gmail.com>
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 12/21/05, Adam Fabian <awfabian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nothing wrong with simplifying and streamlining, and creating
>>>something that's easy-to-use, but an MTA should be listening on the
>>>localhost for the day when the user discovers, unfortunately, that
>>>some program has decided to use it as a (valid) channel of
>>>communication with the user.
> 
> 
> That's why we have package management.  Any program that will "decide to
> use" an MTA as a channel of communication must define an MTA (preferably
> generic) as a dependency.  My principle objection at this point is that
> there are packages that _will_ do that (like cron) but do not make the MTA
> mandatory.
> 
> 
>>In the default install of Ubuntu (the desktop variant) the way your
>>average non-expert user would go about it, the only message you would
>>get from cron is about a dangling symlink. 
> 
> 
> I don't know how you can be sure of that.  Is logrotate not there by
> default?  What does it do when run by cron, and there's no space for logs?
> (admittedly, in such a case, there's likely no room for mail spool either).  
> 
> 
>>To be frank, the package 
>>that contains the dangling symlink should probably be fixed, and then
>>you would get nothing.
> 
> 
> Of course it should.  And when apps stop trying to send mail, remove the
> MTA.
> 
>>Perhaps Ubuntu should look into commissioning a small perl script that
>>handles local delivery to the user set up in the install process? That
>>would require no configuration during the install, and if
>>/usr/bin/sendmail points to /etc/alternatives/sendmail which points to
>>the script, when a full MTA is installed, it can change the
>>/etc/alternatives symlink.
> 
> 
> Except Matthew's saying that we can't trust the Ubuntu user to be able to
> read "local" mail.  And if you do have something that does local delivery
> to any particular user, wouldn't it be just as easy to install one of the
> small MTAs configured for local delivery only?
> 
> 
>>It neatly shuts up the people complaining about missing out on a
>>single useless warning about dangling symlink
> 
> 
> Nobody is complaining about that.  That is a _symptom_ of another problem. 
> The problem is that we have an existing notification system and programs
> take advantage of it without forcing a dependency on an MTA.

A GUI tool was created to let users view various system log files from 
Gnome.  Perhaps that tool could also peek at root's mail spool file and 
display the messages.  That feature would not need to be as complex as a 
real MUA.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 18:29:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:29:39 -0500
Subject: X server Error
References: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net><amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A998B0.9020203@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <amohanty.20ekwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


My mistake I missed a word in the command.

>  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 18:32:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:32:56 -0500
Subject: X server Error
References: <43A7F5D7.7050606@comporium.net><amohanty.20clly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A998B0.9020203@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <mo_x.20ekwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The command should be something like:


Code:
--------------------
    sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
--------------------


gedit is an editor, you could use another one.

In the xorg.conf file a '#' is used for comments.


-- 
mo_x



From girishvnair at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:43:57 2005
From: girishvnair at gmail.com (girish nair)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:13:57 +0530
Subject: installing RPM's
Message-ID: <2f3206950512211043v43e0e20emd236ee5c22ee246f@mail.gmail.com>

i tried to install rpm's of xine player and xmms with the following commands
1) alien -i xmms

2) alien -i xine-lib
    alien -i xine
    alien -i xine-skins

Although the programs got installed i cant run them.Wen  i executed  the
commands associated with applications it is giving a message that
libkrb5.so.0  no such file
for xine and similiar information for xmms too
So i checked for this library files in synaptic manager and found that they
are already installed. but there is a lil difference in the names.
Can anyone help me install rpms on ubuntu?
thanking you
Girish

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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 21 18:48:42 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:48:42 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:50, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
> > Perhaps Ubuntu should look into commissioning a small perl script that
> > handles local delivery to the user set up in the install process? That
> > would require no configuration during the install, and if
> > /usr/bin/sendmail points to /etc/alternatives/sendmail which points to
> > the script, when a full MTA is installed, it can change the
> > /etc/alternatives symlink.
> 
> Except Matthew's saying that we can't trust the Ubuntu user to be able to
> read "local" mail.  And if you do have something that does local delivery
> to any particular user, wouldn't it be just as easy to install one of the
> small MTAs configured for local delivery only?

I think Matthew's issue - which apparently applies to those in the
desert of BT Internet as much as those in the Sahara - can be
addressed by providing a program to which mail can be piped and
which would make a good-faith but not reliable attempt to pop up
the message in a notification bubble.

Delivery to /dev/null, a notification bubble pipeline, local
mail, a smarthost, or an all-singing all-dancing mail server can
all be handled by the same standard mechanism - Postfix or an
equivalent - without breaking LSB compatibility and without
breaking thousands of as yet unimagined applications.

--Mike Bird




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 19:07:28 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
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On 12/20/05, Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Terry North <terrencenorth <at> yahoo.com.au> writes:
>
> I filed this originally as feedback.  Maybe it was the wrong place.

Fairly good spot. I'd recommend 'sounder' though.

> I came to Ubuntu with an open mind.  I believe it's currently of interest
> to many people because it's relatively new.  I have doubts about whether
> that interest will be sustained because, as my experience shows, the
> system is NOT user-friendly.  I'm just an ordinary user who has had to
> learn more than I wanted to know just because of the shortcomings of
> various systems, beginning with the claimant to 90 odd % of the market.
<snip>
> I like Ubuntu's independence.  The commercial distros, from what I've seen,
> do a better job.  I was hoping Ubuntu could give them a run for their money.
> Right now, judging from a lot of the comments, it looks as though it's in
> the hands of an elite who are content to exclude the great bulk of users and
> resent anyone telling them there are better ways of doing things.  I'm
> willing to work with it but I doubt that I'm typical.

I will disagree with you on 'it's in in the hands of the elite'.

My perception of Canonical's design team is that they are very
progressive and have a strong mandate to make Ubuntu USABLE to
ordinary computer users (like yourself):

"Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the
breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a
clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM) and
a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every
release."

What you may be perceiving as the arrogance of the elite is the ugly
side of OSS (that lingers but many try to ignore or pretend doesn't
exist :-(. It seems like a prejudice that "Windows is bad, therefore
everything that is in Windows is bad" (only held by a small minority
of users and they're growing fewer and fewer as "normal" users start
adopting or playing with Linux on the desktop). It seems coupled with
an elitism that if you want to use Linux, you should conform to Linux
and not expect Linux conform to your needs or expectations (I like to
flippantly summarise that as the "It's the way it's always been" or
"My way, or the highway" crowd).

Don't let them deter you. Ignore them.

> I think a lot of people like to set things up the way that suits them.  They
> have colour and font preferences and like different styles.  They want to
> install different software.  Not many people want to spend hours researching
> man pages (finding them at all can be time-consuming), experimenting with
> commands, getting them wrong and playing around until they're right.  I'm glad
> to have tools that simplify the process and reduce the time required.  I've
> got a system that's a pleasure to work with.  I hate it when I have to go back
> to Windoze to access an old file.  I'd like to find a non-commercial system
> that measures up to or even surpasses what I've got.

It's getting there. Linux is getting there. Slowly, but surely.

I've played with Linux on-and-off now since 2002 (and, running a
server for 1.5 years now) and I've seen _some_ progress on the GUI
front.

GNOME '02 was much rougher around the edges than GNOME '05, as were
apps such as Open Office or Mozilla.

There are still a _lot_ of rough edges but they're beeing smoothed
over at a fairly impressive rate (I tried Kubuntu-desktop yesterday
and, is that ever one rough around the edges project still :-( :-(
(Breezy)). GNOME is definitely going in the right direction, but, it
still needs help. A few more years and it'll start "playing for real
with the big boys" (now that's a statement that will cause a lot of
consternation to some fan(atics) of GNOME/KDE... they can't handle the
fact that not everyone thinks the way they do).

Anyway, keep your eyes peeled. Even Ubuntu isn't for the faint of
heart but it's leading the way. Consider that two or three years ago
you'd probably have had to hit the command line a number of times to
get your computer up-and-running with Linux. Now, it's such that you
can install Linux, run a number of apps and even get on-line without
too much trouble, though, it's still very rigid in what it'll allow
non-experts (i.e. people who don't use the CLUI) to do, but that will
and IS changing. I suspect that Ubuntu 6.10 will be quite different
from Ubuntu 5.10.

Eric.



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec 21 19:15:07 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:15:07 +0100
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 10:14 -0800, Colin Brace wrote:
> I beg to differ: I have been using aMule for more than a year and the
> version I am currently using (2.0.2) is *extremely* stable; at the
> moment, the current uptime for aMule running on my desktop system is
> more than three months, sharing many files.
> I think the problem you
> are having comes from trying to download too many files at once; it
> takes a certain CPU overhead to process each of those (calculating
> hashes etc) and it all adds up. Try scaling back the number of active
> downloads to a couple of dozen at most.


Yes I think you are right. I had about 350 files in the "transfer" tab,
and two hundred people downloading from me at the same time.
I just updated Dapper and rebooted the machine (new kernel), and as a
consequence restarted aMule 2 minutes ago, and all is well, since only a
couple files are being downloaded right now, and nobody has yet had the
time to connect to me. 
I really didn't think that managing 500+ files would cause that much CPU
load on a 1.5GHz CPU. The other problem is that the aMule keeps
UPloading stuff to other people (fair enough for P2P s/w ;-), and this
eats all my (limited to only 128kpbs) upstream bandwidth, which keeps
internet and Synaptic from working properly/fast, regardless of how much
downstream B/W is actually available. I tried to reduce the upstream B/W
limit in the aMule preferences but it doesn't seem to take effect.
I though that plenty of RAM was enough for P2P, but looks like
processing power is also on order then. I am waiting 3 or 4 years before
changing my 4 year old motherboard. I read an article about Intel
working on efficient/low power quad (even 8) core processors for 2008
and on. Since some Desktop motherboards can take two processor sockets,
that makes for 8 or 16 CPU's ! That should be enough for P2P ;-)
I hope that by this time, Linux/Ubuntu will integrate as standard, some
kind of utility to easily manage available Bandwidth, so that the user
can enforce things reliably, rather than observing powerlessly system
responsiveness go on holiday so to speak...


--
Vince




From markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 19:16:17 2005
From: markus.mitterhofer at gmail.com (Markus Mitterhofer)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:16:17 +0100
Subject: Can't "see" Airport Wireless
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>
> I found the network configuration tool in
> GNOME one of you had mentioned in a response to my question and was able
> to activate and use the Airport with WEP. I saw how making the changes
> thru the GUI affects the interfaces config file. I also found a line on
> the wpasupplicant package while searching thru the Ubuntu forums under
> the Gnome PPC forum. I've downloaded it and am reading thru the
> documentation.
>

If you are able to make wpasupplicant work with the Airport wireless let me
know.
I'm interested in that one too!

Markus
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 19:08:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:08:39 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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Mike Bird Wrote: 
> 

> I think Matthew's issue - which apparently applies to those in the

> desert of BT Internet as much as those in the Sahara - can be

> addressed by providing a program to which mail can be piped and

> which would make a good-faith but not reliable attempt to pop up

> the message in a notification bubble.

> 

> --Mike Bird

> 

> 



Oh no, not a notification bubble!  Please noooooo!  One of the most
annoying things about XP is those stupid notification bubbles that pop
up whenever you're trying to do actual work on the computer. 



At least make it something those of us who like a clean, non-annoying,
efficient, and usable desktop can turn off.


-- 
deNoobius



From list.account at gmx.net  Wed Dec 21 19:20:47 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:20:47 +0100
Subject: installing RPM's
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> Am 21.12.2005, 19:43 Uhr, schrieb girish nair <girishvnair at gmail.com>:

> i tried to install rpm's of xine player and xmms with the following  
> commands
> 1) alien -i xmms
> 2) alien -i xine-lib
>     alien -i xine
>     alien -i xine-skins
> Although the programs got installed i cant run them.Wen  i executed  the
> commands associated with applications it is giving a message that
> libkrb5.so.0  no such file for xine and similiar information for xmms too
> So i checked for this library files in synaptic manager and found that  
> they are already installed. but there is a lil difference in the names.

hello Girish
how did you get the idea to install rpm's? if not for a 'great' purpose, i  
would not attempt to invite difficulties by that. xine (xine-ui) and xmms  
are found in the (standard?) repositories of Ubtuntu. okay, where to find  
xine-skins i do not know myself. and i guess xine-lib is found as  
libxine1c2.
regards, René




From ewan at macmahon.me.uk  Wed Dec 21 19:21:49 2005
From: ewan at macmahon.me.uk (Ewan Mac Mahon)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:21:49 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:08:34PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:

> > If you're going to change how cron works, who gets to write
> > Ubuntu-ized versions of the all apps out there?  The little cronjobs
> > tend to just write to stdout/stderr but the fancier applications
> > tend to package it all up nicely and then pipe it to mail with a
> > nice subject line.

> ...and so should depend on a mail transfer agent.

The problem is that if you carry that logic through to cron itself you
wind up making it depend on an MTA and you're back to postfix being
installed by default.


On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 02:24:14AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification
> reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think
> that's achievable.

Why make it independant of email? How does this sound as a best of both
worlds scenario: Default install has postfix (or other MTA) installed
for local delivery, just as happened under Hoary. Add a default panel
applet, similar in look and feel to the update-notifier (call it
system-notifier, say) that's actually just a speciallized MUA that reads
the user's local mail spool and removes messages once they've been read.
That way the new users get the messages without ever realizing that an
email system is involved, old users get to read their mail with mutt or
send it somewhere else, and no-one needs to rewrite cron (or anything
else) to use dbus instead of email.

That has the side benefit of working for emailed alerts from anything
the users installs as an extra, as well as for things in the base system
- just because someone's installed something that depends on an MTA
doesn't mean that they're going to realise that they need to check
their local mail.

Ewan
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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec 21 19:33:01 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:33:01 +0100
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 10:14 -0800, Colin Brace wrote:
> I beg to differ: I have been using aMule for more than a year and the
> version I am currently using (2.0.2) is *extremely* stable; 


Siince you have lots of experience with aMule (more than my 24 hour
experience anyhow ! ;-), maybe you can help me ?!

Problem: when I go in the "servers" tab, I can see a long list of
servers. They all appear disconnected. Do yo uknow how to connect to
them all at once ?? I mean, I can't find a "connect all" button
anywhere, and if I select/highlight them all with the keyboard then
right-click on that, the "connect" menu entry is greyed
out/unavailable !  Needless to say it's rather tedious and time
consuming to right-click on 200 hundred servers !! :o(((
I guess I must be missing something, or I misunderstanding something in
the way this is all supposed to work ???


Regards,


--
Vince




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 19:34:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:34:42 -0500
Subject: Breezy & WinXP dual boot on Dell Dimension 8400 (SATA RAID)
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God speed!


-- 
Emerzen



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 21 19:44:08 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:44:08 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 11:08, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Mike Bird Wrote: 
> Oh no, not a notification bubble!  Please noooooo!  One of the most
> annoying things about XP is those stupid notification bubbles that pop
> up whenever you're trying to do actual work on the computer. 
>
> At least make it something those of us who like a clean, non-annoying,
> efficient, and usable desktop can turn off.

The proposal is that the debconf choices should include /dev/null,
Matthew's notification bubble (perhaps I have mischaracterised it
- if so I apologize), local mail delivery, delivery via SMTP to
a specified catch-all address, or "I'll configure it myself".

Notification bubbles, local mail, outbound SMTP ... none would
be compulsory.  Let's provide useful choices to people so that
Ubuntu can "Just Work" out of the box as promised.

--Mike Bird





From marius at pov.lt  Wed Dec 21 19:46:26 2005
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:46:26 +0200
Subject: [OT] Booting into IBM Rescue and Recovery
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:47:10AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> When you install Grub it is a sin to do that into the MBR on a Thinkpad
> with Rescue Partition, you all know that by now.

FWIW, it is possible to boot the Rescue Partition even if you have GRUB
in the MBR.  You just have to change the partition type to 0x0b and ask
GRUB to chain-load that partition.

I suspect the standard ThinkPad MBR changes the partition type
automatically, when you press Access IBM during boot, and changes it
back to 0x12 on the next boot.

<snip instructions about installing GRUB into some partition's boot
record instead of the MBR, and changing the active partition>

Yep, I used to always do this back when I used Debian and LILO.
Ubuntu's installer doesn't make it obvious how to install GRUB somewhere
else other than the MBR, so I just let it do its thing and lived with
the consequences.

Marius Gedminas
-- 
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c.l.py.
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From papabeardk at comporium.net  Wed Dec 21 19:49:49 2005
From: papabeardk at comporium.net (David)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:49:49 -0500
Subject: X server Error
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Thanks to all who responded. I got it working.
I googled while waiting for replies and the combination of what the list 
responded, and the google info,  got me where I needed.

I could not use gedit, so
used   sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Changed the driver on monitor from "ATI" to "vesa"

It opened right up. I will probably be asking more questions as I learn 
more about ubuntu. I know I will not have answers for a while. Thanks 
for being out there when us new folks need ya.

David
Off to google some more


Ed Fletcher wrote:

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> David wrote:
> | Thanks for the reply,
> | I tried to get the command below to run, did not work, "command not
> | found". I think I did figure out the sudo part, and using cd found the
> | etc folder, but did not find the X11 folder. Of course I tried to 
> run it
> | straight before tryng to find the folders.
> |
> | Also, is commenting it out similar to DOS with the  REM command?
> |
> | David





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 19:59:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:59:27 -0500
Subject: installing RPM's
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Message-ID: <Emerzen.20eoly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ditto on above poster's advice.  Uninstall your RPM's then install Xine
from the Ubuntu Repositories.  Follow the guide here:
www.ubuntuguide.org (look for multimedia section) and it should work
fine.


-- 
Emerzen



From wade at wadesmart.com  Wed Dec 21 19:59:54 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:59:54 -0600
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <20051221194626.GA9215@fridge.pov.lt>
References: <6a53ef3b0410260814204f6157@mail.gmail.com>	<qUBus.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051221194626.GA9215@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <43A9B43A.9010002@wadesmart.com>

12212005 1358 GMT-5

Before I upgraded to 5.10 I know I had my terminal window 40% 
transparent.  Can we not do this with windows now?

Wade



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 20:05:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:05:13 -0500
Subject: installing RPM's
References: <2f3206950512211043v43e0e20emd236ee5c22ee246f@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s15eoxw9bu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<Emerzen.20eoly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Emerzen.20epja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Sorry, here's where the most recent version of the Ubuntu guide is:



http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu


-- 
Emerzen



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 20:22:27 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:22:27 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <deNoobius.20emra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
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	<oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3f1760512211222l5ec8f81i@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:

> Oh no, not a notification bubble!  Please noooooo!  One of the most
> annoying things about XP is those stupid notification bubbles that pop
> up whenever you're trying to do actual work on the computer.

There are better examples that xp.
What we want is a universal notification system like Growl for OSX.




--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 21 20:23:57 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:23:57 +1100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu - geekdom
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512211107q255c17d6v8152a6ae802c01b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20051221T013744-382@post.gmane.org>
	<77520bee0512211107q255c17d6v8152a6ae802c01b7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500
Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/20/05, Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Terry North <terrencenorth <at> yahoo.com.au> writes:
> >
> > I filed this originally as feedback.  Maybe it was the wrong place.
> 
> Fairly good spot. I'd recommend 'sounder' though.

[snip}

> >  it looks as though it's in
> > the hands of an elite who are content to exclude the great bulk of users and
> > resent anyone telling them there are better ways of doing things.  I'm
> > willing to work with it but I doubt that I'm typical.
> 
> I will disagree with you on 'it's in in the hands of the elite'.

Agreed - actually participation is open to anyone really. And they don't
need to be coders or experts.

 [snipped]

> It seems coupled with
> an elitism that if you want to use Linux, you should conform to Linux
> and not expect Linux conform to your needs or expectations (I like to
> flippantly summarise that as the "It's the way it's always been" or
> "My way, or the highway" crowd).
> 
> Don't let them deter you. Ignore them.

This is _kind_ of true, but perhaps a bit too simplified?

Just as a personal anecdote, I remember how intimidated I was by my first
experience of IRC. I tended to think that the people in the channel
( #knoppix at the time) were all-knowing Godlike creatures to whose level
I could never aspire ;) Amongst other things, the rapid-fire, terse
answers, consisting of commands, seemed elitist indeed. As I gradually
learnt some of those commands I began to see, first, that there was
limited time, the channel was busy,  and thus such answers were often the
best way to give someone a solution - and second, that such commands were
powerful and time-saving for me, too.

Thus my perception changed from feeling that I "should conform to Linux",
to realising that the stuff I was typing was telling Linux to conform to
*my* wishes.

So - yes, many Linux people fall into the trap of "My way, or the
highway" (one reason I haven't visited #debian on Freenode for a long
time, although I *did* learn a lot there). On the other hand, the gruff
hacker tradition can also encourage people to become more competent - and
ultimately those people will pass on their knowledge. It isn't black and
white.

> 
> It's getting there. Linux is getting there. Slowly, but surely.

I'd say my impression is that the process has accelerated.

> 
> There are still a _lot_ of rough edges but they're beeing smoothed
> over at a fairly impressive rate 

A comparison of any distro 3 years ago with the current ones is an
interesting exercise. The desktops and GUI generally are far more
sophisticated, and much more "Just Works"
> 
> Anyway, keep your eyes peeled. Even Ubuntu isn't for the faint of
> heart but it's leading the way. Consider that two or three years ago
> you'd probably have had to hit the command line a number of times to
> get your computer up-and-running with Linux. Now, it's such that you
> can install Linux, run a number of apps and even get on-line without
> too much trouble, 

Agreed again :)

> though, it's still very rigid in what it'll allow
> non-experts (i.e. people who don't use the CLUI) to do, 

You don't have to be an expert to use the terminal - to use it fluently,
yes, but not to use it for simple commands. I think it would be a pity if
the newer recruits to Linux missed out on the opportunity to learn the CLI,
and to be amazed by the power, say, of the "find" command, or "grep", or
any number of traditional tools. Have a look at what can be done with the
ImageMagick suite, for example - a collection of tools that would never be
seen if all we did was use the GUI.

I'm sticking with this .sig for a while :)  Not because I'm in favour of
difficulty, but because I'm in favour of "multiple small epiphanies"! By
all means let's have a great GUI. But let's not throw out the power of the
tools it is built on.

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Wed Dec 21 20:25:40 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:25:40 +0000
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <43A9B43A.9010002@wadesmart.com>
References: <6a53ef3b0410260814204f6157@mail.gmail.com>
	<qUBus.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:59 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12212005 1358 GMT-5
> 
> Before I upgraded to 5.10 I know I had my terminal window 40% 
> transparent.  Can we not do this with windows now?

Still works for me on a system upgraded to 5.10.

In the terminal window menus, Edit->Current Profile to change the
characteristics of the current profile (transparency set on the Effects
tab), File->New Profile to create a profile.  Terminal->Change Profile
to switch between existing profiles.

Neil

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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Wed Dec 21 20:39:50 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:39:50 +0000
Subject: How to connect to my Ubuntu via a VNC Viewer?
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0512210936h344aca26rf9a5f2b4bb82512f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0512152059p3deb1362kbcad5a0aa3807a51@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 21:06 +0330, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:

> 
> How can I choose Vino in Hoary? The Remote Desktop preferences dialog
> does not have an option for choosing my VNC server :-?

Sorry, my original post wasn't clear.  I've used VNC both too and from
Ubuntu machines and between Ubuntu and Windows 98 machines.  I've not
used x11vnc, but the Vino package and Applications->Internet->Terminal
Server Client.

System->Preferences->Remote Desktop doesn't have any way of choosing a
VNC server, it just configures the default server (which I believe is
Vino) to allow a remote viewer to access it.  I've usually set both the
Sharing buttons so that the remote user can view and control the
desktop.  The command vncviewer localhost.localdomain:0 doesn't work
unless some DNS magic that I don't have is in place - I need to address
the computer fully with an IP address (or resolvable hostname from
DynDNS for example).

The Security section gave me some trouble under Hoary, I'd suggest
starting with both 'Ask you for confirmation' and 'Require the user to
enter this password' set, with a short easy password.  Under Breezy I do
now seem to be able to work without these set.  It seems safest to leave
them both on though.

Neil

> 
> On 12/16/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 08:33 +0330, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > I just found out how to connect the PCs by reading the man
>         for x11vnc.
>         >
>         > - Behi
>         >
>         > On 12/16/05, Behrang Saeedzadeh < behrangsa at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>         > > Hi,
>         > >
>         > > I have installed a VNC viewer on my Windows XP and I want
>         to be able
>         > > to access my Ubuntu (Hoary) through it. I also installed
>         x11vnc on 
>         > > Hoary. Now what other steps do I have to follow in order
>         to connect to
>         > > my Hoary via VNC?
>         > >
>         
>         You can also set up the default server (presumably Vino) for
>         incoming
>         VNC by using System->Preferences->Remote Desktop. 
>         
>         Neil

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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 21 20:44:15 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:44:15 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051221192148.GA19523@york.ac.uk>
References: <200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
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	<20051221192148.GA19523@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:21:49 +0000
Ewan Mac Mahon <ewan at macmahon.me.uk> wrote:

> Why make it independant of email? How does this sound as a best of both
> worlds scenario: Default install has postfix (or other MTA) installed
> for local delivery, just as happened under Hoary. Add a default panel
> applet, similar in look and feel to the update-notifier (call it
> system-notifier, say) that's actually just a speciallized MUA that reads
> the user's local mail spool and removes messages once they've been read.
> That way the new users get the messages without ever realizing that an
> email system is involved, old users get to read their mail with mutt or
> send it somewhere else, and no-one needs to rewrite cron (or anything
> else) to use dbus instead of email.
> 
> That has the side benefit of working for emailed alerts from anything
> the users installs as an extra, as well as for things in the base system
> - just because someone's installed something that depends on an MTA
> doesn't mean that they're going to realise that they need to check
> their local mail.

What? You mean a sensible solution? In this thread?

<gasps and falls off chair>

<grin>

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From wade at wadesmart.com  Wed Dec 21 20:49:33 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:49:33 -0600
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <1135196740.8448.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <6a53ef3b0410260814204f6157@mail.gmail.com>	<qUBus.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051221194626.GA9215@fridge.pov.lt>	<43A9B43A.9010002@wadesmart.com>
	<1135196740.8448.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43A9BFDD.2070205@wadesmart.com>

12212005 1449 GMT-5

I had totally forgot how I had found that. Thanks for pointing that out 
to me. To bad we cant do that on other windows.

Wade



neil woolford wrote:

>On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:59 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>12212005 1358 GMT-5
>>
>>Before I upgraded to 5.10 I know I had my terminal window 40% 
>>transparent.  Can we not do this with windows now?
>>    
>>
>
>Still works for me on a system upgraded to 5.10.
>
>In the terminal window menus, Edit->Current Profile to change the
>characteristics of the current profile (transparency set on the Effects
>tab), File->New Profile to create a profile.  Terminal->Change Profile
>to switch between existing profiles.
>
>Neil
>
>  
>
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From scotth at csee.wvu.edu  Wed Dec 21 20:57:55 2005
From: scotth at csee.wvu.edu (Scott J. Henson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:57:55 -0500
Subject: How to _DISABLE_ Bonobo Activation FrameWork, SSH Agent, GNome
 Keyring Daemon and Mapping Daemon FOR GOOD
In-Reply-To: <43A96E4C.1040708@gmail.com>
References: <43A96E4C.1040708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A9C1D3.5030200@csee.wvu.edu>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to _disable_ the following services for good - they should 
> never activate again:
>
>                Bonobo Activation FrameWork
>                SSH Agent
>                GNome KeyRing Daemon
>                Mapping Daemon
>

All of these services are small and really don't take any resources.  
The bonobo activation framework is how gnome apps communicate amoungst 
themselves and is really a needed service.  As for ssh agent and gnome 
keyring daemon.  They both store passwords and they are not used unless 
you make an active descision to use them(ssh-add and gnome-keyring).  As 
a result both of them sleep and are swaped out for most of their life 
time.  The mapping daemon seems to be a function of nautilus and its cd 
burning support.  So really, nothing is listening to the network and 
none of them are opening up to anyone to crack your computer.  Also, if 
you aren't using them they will be asleep and swapped out so it doesn't 
keep you from doing your work. 





From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 21 21:04:05 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:04:05 -0500
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <43A9B43A.9010002@wadesmart.com>
References: <6a53ef3b0410260814204f6157@mail.gmail.com>
	<qUBus.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051221194626.GA9215@fridge.pov.lt>
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Message-ID: <43A9C345.3070000@cfl.rr.com>

Please do not start new threads by replying to others.  This causes your 
message to indicate that it is a part of the original thread, and 
threaded mail readers will show it as such, instead of as a new thread.


Wade Smart wrote:
> 12212005 1358 GMT-5
> 
> Before I upgraded to 5.10 I know I had my terminal window 40% 
> transparent.  Can we not do this with windows now?
> 
> Wade
> 




From paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 21 21:04:38 2005
From: paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk (paul cooke)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:04:38 +0000
Subject: Limit size of .thumbnails folder
In-Reply-To: <bbda83370512110155x6bb4b434tdda79f31af4da42e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbda83370512110155x6bb4b434tdda79f31af4da42e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512212104.38660.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Sunday 11 December 2005 09:55, Luca Manganelli wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have discovered that my .thumbnails folder is like as 14MB.

is that all??? mine got up to 1.5GB the other week before I decided to delete 
it...

> There 
> were plenty of images (many old and deleted). I think that .thumbnails
> folder is managed by Nautilus, but I cannot find an option to limit
> this folder size. Where is it?
>
> --
> "An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
>    -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
>                                http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 21 21:06:05 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:06:05 -0500
Subject: [OT] Booting into IBM Rescue and Recovery
In-Reply-To: <qUBus.20e7xy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <6a53ef3b041022185059ef4be2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0c503c4041022210936125988@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1098529694.3996.13.camel@tyrosine>
	<6a53ef3b04102308451591b203@mail.gmail.com>
	<20041025135951.GA25331@cattlegrid.net>
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'Forum Post wrote:
<snip>
> Mount hda1 and go to /windows/system32/ and rename the autoconvert.exe
> to "noautoconvert.exe" (or anything else). This will prevent the system
> to convert your Filesystem from the initial FAT32 to NTFS.
> 
> 
> 
> When you have everything installed. Shrink the FAT32 partition with
> windows on it to a size you like.
> 

Why stop the conversion to NTFS?  You can resize the partition as NTFS 
just as well.





From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 21 21:08:10 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:08:10 -0800
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <1135192507.4746.23.camel@localhost>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
	<1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<aec9371b0512211014k43d45de4p3441a146f26e83c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135192507.4746.23.camel@localhost>
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On 12/21/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:

> I really didn't think that managing 500+ files would cause that much CPU
> load on a 1.5GHz CPU.

I am sharing more than that and performance has not been an issue.
Note that *sharing* files is less system-intensive than *downloading*
them, hence my advice above to limit the number of active downloads.

> The other problem is that the aMule keeps
> UPloading stuff to other people (fair enough for P2P s/w ;-), and this
> eats all my (limited to only 128kpbs) upstream bandwidth, which keeps
> internet and Synaptic from working properly/fast, regardless of how much
> downstream B/W is actually available. I tried to reduce the upstream B/W
> limit in the aMule preferences but it doesn't seem to take effect.

This is not the right forum getting aMule support, but let me explain
this to you since it is confusing: in the preferences notebook, there
are four relevant entries to fill in (I am not sure the exact
wording):

  Bandwidth limits UP
  Bandwidth limits DOWN
  Speed limits UP
  Speed limits DOWN

This first two pertain to your total bandwidth available. In your case
it will be 128k UP and whatever (1Mb?) down.

The second two constrain the amount of bandwidth you wish to dedicate
to aMule. As a general rule of thumb, don't dedicate more than 80% as
this chokes latency. In your case, I would dedicate 100k up and half
(500K or whatever) of your download capacity. Once you have entered
the correct settings and closed Preferences, aMule will  immediately
start respecting your bandwidth limitations.

FYI: aMule uses your total bandwidth settings for generating graphs,
no more (see the Statistics page).

> I though that plenty of RAM was enough for P2P, but looks like
> processing power is also on order then.

No, your current system will run aMule just fine; as I said above,
just don't overdo it on the downloads. Have patience!

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 21:16:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:16:54 -0500
Subject: Two Breezy problems: Acroread and Jedit
References: <D75CBCDB5DFFAE4FB500372DF807640A7DF27A@email.empower.ceimaine.org>
	<4346D477.3010001@gmail.com> <rumli.1wx8va@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <pago.20esba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hello I have ubuntu 5.04, but I have a problem about JEDIT, I installled
it correctly, and it starts correctly from "terminal", but when I try to
use it through its icon in Programs->developpment it doesn't strats, can
you help me? 

thanks


-- 
pago



From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 21 21:21:56 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:21:56 -0800
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <1135193581.4746.30.camel@localhost>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
	<1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<aec9371b0512211014k43d45de4p3441a146f26e83c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135193581.4746.30.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512211321o4d684732p548cffcf99363871@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:

Problem: when I go in the "servers" tab, I can see a long list of
> servers. They all appear disconnected. Do you know how to connect to
> them all at once ?? I mean, I can't find a "connect all" button
> anywhere

In the eD2k network (unlike, say OpenNap), you only connect to one
server at a time, but this is not a meaningful constraint. On the
search panel, there is an option for a "local" or "global" search. The
first searches clients on such the server you are connected to; for
the second, the server you are connected to will pass your query on to
all the other active servers. Hence this type of query usually takes a
few minutes. Local searches are usually sufficient for most files;
global searches are good for obscure files only one or two users may
have.

For further information on using aMule, see the wiki and user forums
at http://www.amule.org

From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 21:33:42 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:33:42 +0200
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <1135192507.4746.23.camel@localhost>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
	<1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<aec9371b0512211014k43d45de4p3441a146f26e83c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135192507.4746.23.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135200823.5722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 20:15 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> I really didn't think that managing 500+ files would cause that much
> CPU
> load on a 1.5GHz CPU. The other problem is that the aMule keeps
> UPloading stuff to other people (fair enough for P2P s/w ;-), and this
> eats all my (limited to only 128kpbs) upstream bandwidth, which keeps
> internet and Synaptic from working properly/fast, regardless of how
> much
> downstream B/W is actually available. I tried to reduce the upstream
> B/W
> limit in the aMule preferences but it doesn't seem to take effect. 

I'm talking for my personal experience with my adsl with the same 128
kbps upload. I have found out that my upload doesn't affect things much.
What affects other applications is the amount of download connections
you have. If you download with 40 KB/s with 2 connections it will not
slow things down. If you download with (any) KB/s with 20 connections it
will slow you down causing HTTP to timeout. So limit your connections.




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Wed Dec 21 21:41:04 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:41:04 +0100
Subject: aMule : makes computer hang after a few hours ??
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512211308r319758bex920c7e18906cdc83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135084416.23163.82.camel@localhost>
	<1135092661.8494.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<aec9371b0512211014k43d45de4p3441a146f26e83c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135192507.4746.23.camel@localhost>
	<aec9371b0512211308r319758bex920c7e18906cdc83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135201264.4746.35.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:08 -0800, Colin Brace wrote:
> No, your current system will run aMule just fine; as I said above,
> just don't overdo it on the downloads. Have patience!


Thank you for answering my questions Colin, I am much less in the dark
now ;-)



Regards,


--
Vince




From taeb at netins.net  Wed Dec 21 21:52:08 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:52:08 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512191540r6842638apdb60bfb7055e20a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<9421dc6f0512191540r6842638apdb60bfb7055e20a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051221215207.GA12760@netins.net>

Sorry for the slow follow-up.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 06:40:40PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
> 
> I just built a new box. I don't think you need Windows; whenever I've
> updated BIOS it has not been dependent on using Windows.
> 
> I'm using a Lite-on cd/dvd burner (e/ide) and a SATA and an IDE hard
> drive. No problems to report, everything is just working.

Did you install ubuntu onto your sata drive or your ide drive?  If it
was onto the sata drive, did you have to do anything special?  Someone
else who was kind enough to respond to this thread -- sorry, don't have
his name at hand -- suggested staying with ide and steering clear of
sata.  I'd really like to use the sata drives in part because of the
small cables versus the ribbon cables for air flow.  More importantly,
though, I'd like not to buy hardware that won't work.  :)  I guess I'll
hold off ordering until I can find out whether Ubuntu works with serial
drives.  Obviously M$ and Apple have figured out how to use them. :)


> 
> BTW, mine is a lower-end AMD Sempron (64-bit), not Intel.

I decided to go with Intel.  Thought it might be safer for a first go.


> 
> This is not a week old yet, so the above is, as they say, subject to change ;).

Keep us advised. :)  I am reassured to know, however, that somebody is
successfully running Ubuntu on a hmoebuilt box.

Thanks for your reply.

tonyB



From taeb at netins.net  Wed Dec 21 21:57:05 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:57:05 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051221215705.GB12760@netins.net>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 05:12:24PM -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12192005 1710 GMT-5
> 
> The BIOS is not related to the BIOS so yes, you can run only Linux.
> When your system starts up you will see a little note: F10 for BIOS, 
> something like that.
> That is how you edit that.
> 
> I would stick to what works - IDE. SATA is great  - if you want to work 
> to get it working.
> 
> Wade


Thanks for the reply, Wade.  Could you expand on what's involved in
getting Ubuntu onto a SATA drive?  I'm not looking to make this project
any harder than necessary, but I had decided on SATA in part because of
the small cables being a good thing for air flow in the case.  If
there's reasonable instructions somewhere I don't mind building some
software packages, but if I have to start hacking from scratch I'll live
with the ribbon cables.

Thanks again for your help.

tonyB



From taeb at netins.net  Wed Dec 21 22:06:19 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:06:19 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <43A74942.9090607@telusplanet.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
	<MetalMusicAddict.20b9gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A74942.9090607@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <20051221220618.GC12760@netins.net>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:58:58PM -0700, Hodgins Family wrote:
> Good afternoon!
> 
> >I dont quite think that is what he means. Sometimes, if your BIOS
> >software (on the chipset) needs updated. Often the update from the
> >manufacturer is a .exe that creates a boot floppy that upgrades the
> >BIOS. In -that- way its tied to windows.
> >
> >If thats what your wondering. Often a app called WINE can be used to
> >make the floppy. Or Im sure some good Ubuntu folk would be able to help
> >you.

This is correct.  I probably didn't phrase it well.  WINE might be an
option for me if FreeDos turns out not to be.  Thanks.


> 
> The OP might want to give a thought to FreeDOS(http://www.freedos.org/).
> 
> Here is a link from that site that would allow him to install a small 
> parition of a 16-bit OS -- forgotten its name now :) -- to use for 
> formatting bootable FAT floppies to hold the BIOS updating .exe files:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/old/beta9sr2/
> 
> This link: http://fdos.org/bootdisks/old/ has some .img files that 
> create FreeDOS bootable disks. The OP could just copy the BIOS .exe file 
> to these disks, boot the computer from these disks and run the BIOS 
> software.
> 
> Rob

What a great site!  And an interesting history too.  This looks like it will handle
any update problems for me no sweat.  And the price is right.  Thanks very much for
this info, Rob.


And I guess I'll add here my thanks to everyone who responded to my
questions along with an apology for being slow to get back myself.  I
was trying to read about and track down more info, and that along with
the time of year took more time than it should.  Muchas thanks. :)

tonyB



From ron at crump.id.au  Wed Dec 21 22:15:55 2005
From: ron at crump.id.au (ron at crump.id.au)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:15:55 +1100
Subject: Wanting to run Linux on laptop (Newbie stuff)
Message-ID: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>

Hi,

Quick intro. I am a reasonably computer competent person, I work
on computers all day, programming and the like, but not, generally,
sysadmin-type stuff. I am used to working on both Windows and Linux/unix
systems

Anyway, in the new year I hope to get my hands on a Toshiba TE2100
laptop that is being made redundant at my wife's employer. I would
like to use this as an opportunity to get more familiar with linux
and have a machine I can do some of my linux-based work on at home.

I'm not fond of the dual boot idea for my home desktop machine - I
have a nice, stable (at least by Bill's standards) windows set-up
and don't want to risk it becoming flaky.

So I am thinking ubuntu would be a good idea (mainly redhat at work,
but I like to be different). I'd like it to only have linux, but I
read something on the web about people maintaining a dual-boot
capability just so that they can access BIOS settings. Is this right?
If so, how small can the Windows XP partition be made?

Any comments, including pooh-poohing the idea altogether if you think
a laptop is not a good place to start or you have some experience of
the TE2100 with linux, appreciated.

Cheers,
Ron Crump




From wade at wadesmart.com  Wed Dec 21 22:15:53 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:15:53 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <20051221215705.GB12760@netins.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
	<20051221215705.GB12760@netins.net>
Message-ID: <43A9D419.6050804@wadesmart.com>

12212005 1612 GMT-5

I didnt mean to say its hard to get it going on a SATA drive. I 
personally have had some trouble with motherboards and SATA drives. Just 
little things - stupid things that get under your skin. I just like to 
use what works - and for me its been IDE so far.

Really, just plug it in a go from there. If you start to have odd 
problems like it not being recognized - which I have had for no apparent 
reason - that is when it gets frustrating.

Have you already purchased all your parts?


Wade




taeb wrote:

>On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 05:12:24PM -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>12192005 1710 GMT-5
>>
>>The BIOS is not related to the BIOS so yes, you can run only Linux.
>>When your system starts up you will see a little note: F10 for BIOS, 
>>something like that.
>>That is how you edit that.
>>
>>I would stick to what works - IDE. SATA is great  - if you want to work 
>>to get it working.
>>
>>Wade
>>    
>>
>
>
>Thanks for the reply, Wade.  Could you expand on what's involved in
>getting Ubuntu onto a SATA drive?  I'm not looking to make this project
>any harder than necessary, but I had decided on SATA in part because of
>the small cables being a good thing for air flow in the case.  If
>there's reasonable instructions somewhere I don't mind building some
>software packages, but if I have to start hacking from scratch I'll live
>with the ribbon cables.
>
>Thanks again for your help.
>
>tonyB
>
>  
>
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From bap at shrdlu.com  Wed Dec 21 22:23:12 2005
From: bap at shrdlu.com (Bernard Peek)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:23:12 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512210852u2420e2b8n4a36e2d58463f3ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
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	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
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In message 
<515e525f0512210852u2420e2b8n4a36e2d58463f3ff at mail.gmail.com>, Anders 
Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> writes


IIRC and all that... And assumptions are really bad for the health..
Assuming it is safe to stand on a railtrack just because you haven't
seen a train for a few hours is rather a silly thing to do. Similarly,
assuming an MTA always and forever will be installed, just because you
would prefer it that way, will leave you disappointed from time to
time.

This is true but seems to be substituting one assumption for another. If 
you assume that no program will ever require a functional MTA then you 
will be caught out when a users installs such a package.

One sensible option, as you suggest, would be to audit all supported 
packages and reject any that require a functioning MTA. That at least 
means that Ubuntu itself isn't creating the problem.

A second alternative would be to install a functioning MTA by default. 
For security reasons the default should be to handle local mail only. As 
Ubuntu currently mostly works without this I don't think any elaborate 
notification scheme is required. Perhaps a notification at logon and at 
configurable intervals defaulting to daily.

I wonder whether a separate text-only console for root's mail messages 
would be useful?




-- 
Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.




From john.nicholls at acslink.aone.net.au  Sun Dec 11 05:47:33 2005
From: john.nicholls at acslink.aone.net.au (John Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:47:33 +1100
Subject: Up-arrow error message in Breezy
In-Reply-To: <dnb6cb$3pu$2@sea.gmane.org>
References: <43978BC6.5020203@acslink.aone.net.au> <dnb6cb$3pu$2@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <439BBD75.5050300@acslink.aone.net.au>

Thilo Six wrote:

>John Nicholls schrieb am 08.12.2005 02:26:
>  
>
>>In Breezy pressing and releasing the up arrow key produces these errors
>>in the system log:
>>
>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>>pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.318000] atkbd.c: Use
>>'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Unknown key
>>released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
>>Dec  6 17:00:56 localhost kernel: [4310260.435000] atkbd.c: Use
>>'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
>>
>>The key works as it should but these error messages clutter up the
>>syslog. The keyboard is a standard 104-key US English. This does not
>>occur on the same computer with Warty or Hoary.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>John
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>sudo update-rc.d -f hotkey-setup remove
>
>This script tries to setup laptop keys, and causes this Problem.
>search in forums and bugzilla you will find it there also.
>
>bye Thilo
>
>
>  
>
That fixed it. Thank you, Thilo
John



From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 21 22:37:31 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:37:31 -0800
Subject: Wanting to run Linux on laptop (Newbie stuff)
In-Reply-To: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>
References: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512211437j78a0bf58s4b16e74477f0a113@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, ron at crump.id.au <ron at crump.id.au> wrote:

> I'd like it to only have linux, but I
> read something on the web about people maintaining a dual-boot
> capability just so that they can access BIOS settings. Is this right?

Why do you need Windows to access the BIOS? You hit F2 or whatever
when you see the BIOS power-up screen and that drops you into the BIOS
menus directly -- no need for XP.

The only possible senario I can imagine is if you want to be able to
flash update the BIOS and your BIOS vendor only permits this by
running a 32-bit Win executable. But this hardly seems worth going to
the trouble of maintaining a dual-boot setup. Perhaps there might be
compelling reasons for dual-boot, but this doesn't sound like one to
me.

From coldrick at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:44:35 2005
From: coldrick at gmail.com (David Coldrick)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:44:35 +1100
Subject: Hamachi
In-Reply-To: <MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>
	<MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>

I have it installed and running. The UI ain't so hot if you're used to the
Windows one - it's just command line stuff.
http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3421 gives a pretty good overview
of what needs doing.

Really nice product, shame it doesn't support proxy servers yet.

Regards,
David
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From james at grayonline.id.au  Wed Dec 21 22:58:17 2005
From: james at grayonline.id.au (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:58:17 +1100
Subject: DMA disabled by default for optical drives - why?
In-Reply-To: <200512201123.00412.ubuntu@mail1.entner.net>
References: <1134996204.8612.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512201725.12837.james@grayonline.id.au>
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Message-ID: <200512220958.21458.james@grayonline.id.au>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:23, Robert Entner wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:25, James Gray wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 December 2005 07:39, Jason Smith wrote:
> > > After I have installed Ubuntu 5.10 I din't manage to write not even
> > > one DVD, because DMA was not enabled. Not to mention
> > > the high CPU usage when I was accessing my optical drive.
> > >
> > > Luckily Nero warned me about the DMA misconfiguration, I corected the
> > > problem
> > > and now everything works fine. I think DMA should be enabled by
> > > default.
> >
> > All well-and-good, but what if the Ubuntu installer loads the
> > ide-generic driver before your chipset-specific IDE driver resulting in
> > a situation that setting DMA on any drive causes a kernel panic?  Not
> > Ubuntu's fault mind you - it was a known gotcha with early Asus K8VSE
> > motherboard BIOS'es..
> >
> > So enable DMA by default and possibly panic the kernel if the BIOS is a
> > little screwy, or play safe?  Personally, I'd rather have a machine
> > that boots (even at sub-optimal speed) so I can fix the problem over a
> > system that panics before it even reaches run level 1. :)  It's not
> > just old hardware that can e flakey with DMA enabled by deafult -
> > unfortunately.
>
> How does Windows solve this problem?

Simple.  Asus wrote a driver specifically for Windows - I couldn't enable 
DMA until the driver was installed in Windows either.  Problem solved.  In 
the open source world, non-Asus developers had to string together a driver 
from a mix of incomplete manufacturer specs and reverse engineering.

I'm not at all surprised the Ubuntu installer didn't get it exactly right, 
but before I started forcing things (like enabling DMA) it *was* 
stable....just slower than it could be.  After fixing the driver load 
order, DMA works like a charm!

Don't /blame/ Linux for the lack of support for a particular piece of 
hardware; blame the manufacturer for not supporting Linux.  How do you 
think Windows supports all the hardware?  M$ certainly didn't write a 
driver themselves - they rely on manufacturers supporting their OS.

Support the companies that support open source!

Cheers,

James
-- 
Real computer scientists admire ADA for its overwhelming aesthetic
value but they find it difficult to actually program in it, as it is
much too large to implement.  Most computer scientists don't notice
this because they are still arguing over what else to add to ADA.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 21 23:15:43 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:15:43 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain><43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
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Woaaaaaaaaa folks peace. 

First id like to say the man is entitled to his opinon. However i think
its important to note that Ubuntu is according to many people and sites
such as Distrowatch the most popular linux distro out there so it has
to be doing something right. else it wouldnt be this popular. If you
dont like it thats fine look into others there are plenty out there. or
make your own.


-- 
ihavenoname



From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 23:19:44 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:19:44 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <sr7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 11:10:20AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
> > Just in case you're in any doubt - if important information is being
> > generated by the system, it is not acceptable for that information to be
> > dropped in a file in /var/spool that many users will never interact with
> > in any way. 
> 
> That's good to hear, but somebody (I thought, you) already suggested it
> should be logged through syslog.  Are you assuring us that that is also not
> sufficient?  Ordinary users are no more likely to interact with that than
> with /var/spool.

No, that wasn't me.

> > * And potentially unanswerable - one of the UK's biggest ISPs doesn't
> > provide an SMTP smarthost, and blocks outgoing port 25. How is postfix
> > supposed to get important notification mails to their webmail account?
> 
> What?  They provide no email service to their users, at all, except through
> webmail?

Correct.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Wed Dec 21 23:21:07 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:21:07 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <oi7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
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	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 11:05:28AM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > 2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of
> > internet access
> 
> I think that's not true.  There are very few people these days who use a
> computer but not the Internet.

In all our our target markets? I'm really not sure I agree. This might 
be more of an issue for sounders, though :)

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org



From theine at nordita.dk  Thu Dec 22 00:00:02 2005
From: theine at nordita.dk (Tobias Heinemann)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:00:02 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A980B9.7870@ij.net>
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org>
	<200512211611.31939.theine@nordita.dk> <43A980B9.7870@ij.net>
Message-ID: <200512220100.02705.theine@nordita.dk>

> > Fine. Let's say you and I underestimate the power of shells and
> > OFM's respectively.
>
> I know how powerful shells are. Quickly and easily traversing and
> examining directory trees and their contents is definitely not among
> those powers, at least not by comparision to even the least powerful
> of OFMs.

Are you on to the most redicilous flamewar in history?

Tobi



From maihem at maihem.org  Thu Dec 22 00:06:10 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:06:10 +0000
Subject: MTA as an implementation detail (Was: Ubuntu is under attack)
In-Reply-To: <1135194248.16835.221.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org><3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>	<oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>	<515e525f0512210852u2420e2b8n4a36e2d58463f3ff@mail.gmail.com>	<r7ho73-im9.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<1135190921.16835.213.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<deNoobius.20emra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1135194248.16835.221.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Mike Bird wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 11:08, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
>>Mike Bird Wrote: 
>>Oh no, not a notification bubble!  Please noooooo!  One of the most
>>annoying things about XP is those stupid notification bubbles that pop
>>up whenever you're trying to do actual work on the computer. 
>>
>>At least make it something those of us who like a clean, non-annoying,
>>efficient, and usable desktop can turn off.
> 
> 
> The proposal is that the debconf choices should include /dev/null,
> Matthew's notification bubble (perhaps I have mischaracterised it
> - if so I apologize), local mail delivery, delivery via SMTP to
> a specified catch-all address, or "I'll configure it myself".

Note that the notification could quite easily just use some code from a
biff to read from a system notification account's maildir. An MTA is an
implementation detail it is not a user feature (so usability and
advanced vs novice don't bear on the topic - not that you suggested they
do, just they are common themes in this thread). Further the MTA (and an
nntp server) can be used to implement many more user features. They are
a well tested, and quite flexible communication mechanisms that can be
directly used immediately by all if the clients are configured properly
by default.

> Notification bubbles, local mail, outbound SMTP ... none would
> be compulsory.  Let's provide useful choices to people so that
> Ubuntu can "Just Work" out of the box as promised.

The great thing about an MTA like postfix is that it can provide the
core logic for all of those and is already written/well debugged/well
understood by many, many people/etc. I think centring things around an
MTA like postfix will make for a very powerful system that can be easily
extended to do more imaginative things by powerusers and provides a
focus for mindshare, testing, and learning the system. It's highly
suitable for all non-realtime (in its loose sense) notification
messages. I would like to see something like postfix used rather than
just a /sbin/sendmail implementation so that everybody has the same.
Postfix really is reasonably small, on AMD64 it's a 1M package and about
2.2M installed - compare that to the packages for OOo2-base-experimental
at 3.6M or OOo2-base (32bit) at 2.9M and postfix starts to look like
really good value for bits..

Now this email really *is* offtopic 'cos its moved into the realms of
implementation detail. I've sent this to ubuntu-devel too, since the
thread seems to be wandering over there, please don't reply to this
message on ubuntu-user. If this doesn't have the correct followup
headers set, its because I'm using Gmane.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 00:24:17 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:24:17 +0800
Subject: Wanting to run Linux on laptop (Newbie stuff)
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512211437j78a0bf58s4b16e74477f0a113@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>
	<aec9371b0512211437j78a0bf58s4b16e74477f0a113@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512211624j48766aa3m87523f9557ebd6dd@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Colin Brace <cb at lim.nl> wrote:
> Why do you need Windows to access the BIOS? You hit F2 or whatever
> when you see the BIOS power-up screen and that drops you into the BIOS
> menus directly -- no need for XP.

It's not one of those horrid laptops that have the bios on the hard
drive is it? *shudder*


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 00:28:47 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:28:47 +0200
Subject: Samba networking, needs password or not?
Message-ID: <1135211327.5722.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have set a directory to be shared in my samba server and I was trying
to access it from another ubuntu box on the network. It was asking for a
password, I gave my ubuntu password but it wouldn't accept it. In
#ubuntu I found out that you have to create a user and assign him a
password with smbpasswd. But another user told me that he had the same
problem and he mapped a drive directly using \\192.168.0.x/sharename (or
something) and it worked without password. 

Isn't this insecure? What was the point in asking for a password in the
first place?




From dontodd at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 00:48:35 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:48:35 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <20051221215207.GA12760@netins.net>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<9421dc6f0512191540r6842638apdb60bfb7055e20a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051221215207.GA12760@netins.net>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512211648u345a1e8wd76454bfabbfffcd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi tonyB,

On 12/21/05, taeb <taeb at netins.net> wrote:
> Sorry for the slow follow-up.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 06:40:40PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
> >
> > I just built a new box. I don't think you need Windows; whenever I've
> > updated BIOS it has not been dependent on using Windows.
> >
> > I'm using a Lite-on cd/dvd burner (e/ide) and a SATA and an IDE hard
> > drive. No problems to report, everything is just working.
>
> Did you install ubuntu onto your sata drive or your ide drive?  If it
> was onto the sata drive, did you have to do anything special?  Someone
> else who was kind enough to respond to this thread -- sorry, don't have
> his name at hand -- suggested staying with ide and steering clear of
> sata.  I'd really like to use the sata drives in part because of the
> small cables versus the ribbon cables for air flow.  More importantly,
> though, I'd like not to buy hardware that won't work.  :)  I guess I'll
> hold off ordering until I can find out whether Ubuntu works with serial
> drives.  Obviously M$ and Apple have figured out how to use them. :)

Yes, I installed Ubuntu on the SATA drive. Everything was new on the
box, I added the IDE drive from an old computer after the fact. I
didn't have to do anything special to get it working. I actually
installed Windows first (daughter--games), then the Ubuntu installer
saw the partitions and free space and I went ahead with the
partitioning.

> > BTW, mine is a lower-end AMD Sempron (64-bit), not Intel.
>
> I decided to go with Intel.  Thought it might be safer for a first go.

I'm not anti-Intel, but it seems you might get more bang for your buck
with AMD; I wouldn't say one is "safer" than the other, just
different.

> > This is not a week old yet, so the above is, as they say, subject to change ;).
>
> Keep us advised. :)  I am reassured to know, however, that somebody is
> successfully running Ubuntu on a hmoebuilt box.

So far so good, just trying to figure out how to rip DVD's and combine
a bunch of VCD's to one DVD. I really like it, no comparison to the
old k62-500.

Todd



From maihem at maihem.org  Thu Dec 22 00:51:24 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:51:24 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <oi7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:

>>2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of
>>internet access
> 
> 
> I think that's not true.  There are very few people these days who use a
> computer but not the Internet.

Most people on the planet don't and won't have internet, but they can
have access to a second-hand computer, so that is not necessarily true
and there is no reason to suspect that it will remain true, but email
can be delivered locally too, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Unfortunately, whilst those computers could easily run an MTA, etc, they
can't run Gnome because it's a heap of steaming poo, unfortunately I
can't abide the feel of KDE, so I use Gnome and keep buying
supercomputers (which is costing me a lot of money, by the way) - I'm up
to 1.8GHz, 512 MB RAM and a noisy CPU fan now.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 22 01:04:29 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:04:29 -0600
Subject: Dapper Drake daily build live CD
In-Reply-To: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051220160406.15d18cf4@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051221190429.4e7a30ec@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:04:06 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cyber_wizard at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I DLed from:
> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
> what, to my mind and according to the site (PC (Intel x86) live CD),
> is
> a live CD.  After burning and attempting to run it I found it was
> trying to install.  Of course, I disallowed that.  In reading the
> documentation on the newly-burned CD I find that it refers to Breezy
> Badger, not Dapper Drake.  Is there something wrong with this daily
> build live CD and it's not really live or have I made another stupid
> mistake?
> 
> Cybe 

I got today's build.  Everything is OK.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
"Five minutes after any agreement is signed with Microsoft, 
they'll be thinking of how to violate the agreement. They're 
predators. They crush their competition. They crush new ideas. 
They stifle innovation. That's what they do." 
		Thomas F. Reilly, Massachusetts Attorney General



From maihem at maihem.org  Thu Dec 22 01:05:54 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:05:54 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
Message-ID: <docu5j$s0n$1@sea.gmane.org>

Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:43:26PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 18:24, Matthew Garrett wrote
     (and appears to have quoted parts of):

>>>2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of 
>>>internet access
>>
>>Are you arguing that Firefox and Evolution should be removed
>>from the default install?  If not, how is this relevant?
>>
>>Mail can be delivered locally (or to /dev/null for those who
>>prefer that).
> 
> 
> Delivering the mail locally means that lots of people won't read it. So 
> it's necessary to have a mechanism to notify people that doesn't depend 
> on them opening a terminal and typing "mail".

Which is simple and halfway done with programs like biff.

>>>4) It's an extra couple of questions on install that would only benefit 
>>>a tiny number of users

Not necessarily, it could just be an extra admin dialogue after install
for users that want to redirect to do so (the default install of a
bubble notification could have a button to "forward this notification"
which gives a dialogue including "redirect for notifications to this
destination". That would be really nice for users - instead of them
phoning and saying "the message said something about 'failed' ..." they
can just forward the message to you.

> 
>>>As I said, a better approach would be to ensure that notification 
>>>reaches the users it needs to reach independently of email. I think 
>>>that's achievable.
>>
>>How?  Why?
>>
>>When your Uncle's PC has a problem, would you rather get an
>>email in your inbox or would you rather have your Uncle read
>>it to you over the phone from a notification bubble?  I've
>>had far too many of those calls from Windows users - I don't
>>want to start getting them from Ubuntu users too.
> 
> 
> If I'm able to deal with my uncle's technical problems at that sort of 
> level, I'm able to install postfix, configure it as an internet site and 
> get it to email me. It's a tiny amount of work compared to the work 
> involved in actually supporting him. 

I should really be able to give my uncle the disk and say something like
"Install this, and when it asks you where to send important system
notifications, give it my email address," and expect to receive the
messages unless the MTA/network is screwed when it should change the
address to a local notification address (can any popular MTAs do that
other than bouncing?).

> 
>>What does your notification system NOT do that email CAN
>>do - including local and remote routing (or routing to
>>/dev/null) and reliable queuing?
> 
> 
> It ensures that the information is actually provided to the user, which 
> just depending on traditional Unix mail doesn't.
> 
> Just in case you're in any doubt - if important information is being 
> generated by the system, it is not acceptable for that information to be 
> dropped in a file in /var/spool that many users will never interact with 
> in any way. The assumption that people use the command line on a regular 
> basis is no longer true. The "alternative" of sending it to their 
> existing email account is also unworkable, because it means adding 
> difficult* configuration questions to the installer.

Why does email mean "user uses the commandline" or "user manually
configures and uses an email client" or anything like that? The system
should have a biff-like program as the install time default that reads
the notification mails and shows a bubble. "MTA != hard for the user",
just like "udev != hard for the user" and "init != hard for the user".
The install doesn't have to ask anything extra, it can just set up local
delivery and notification but then the user can just go click clickety
click and have the emails sent out (and all you have to do is tell them
the email details). If the UI for redirecting notification installed
postfix for you before reconfiguring it, then sure, don't install
postfix by default, but it sure would be nice for users to be able to
reconfigure without needing a disc or broadband.

Why oh why does postfix have to remain difficult to install and
configure for this purpose, why doesn't it just happen at install time,
all done by low priority debconf questions?

Anybody can install a whole X server on most distributions, postfix
should be a walk in the park by comparison.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From wenzhuo at zhmail.com  Thu Dec 22 01:14:22 2005
From: wenzhuo at zhmail.com (Wenzhuo Zhang)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:14:22 +0800
Subject: dangling symlinks
Message-ID: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>


Hi,

After installing postfix, I started to receive the following message 
generated by cron.daily:

   /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
   mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a dangling symlink

/usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a symlink to 
/etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz. A further look into /etc/alternatives 
reveal the following three dangling three symlinks altogether:

   $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz /etc/alternatives/rmic 
/etc/alternatives/netscape-javaplugin.so
   lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 53 2005-10-27 11:42 
/etc/alternatives/netscape-javaplugin.so -> 
/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns4/libjavaplugin.so
   lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 30 2005-10-17 18:11 /etc/alternatives/rmic -> 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/rmic
   lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 40 2005-10-17 18:11 
/etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/man/man1/rmic.1.gz

Apparantly, netscape-javaplugin.so was created by sun-j2re1.5, because 
it was created at exactly the same time as mozilla-javaplugin.so, which 
belongs to the sun-j2re1.5.

Which package created rmic and rmic.1.gz?

Wenzhuo




From turf.ph at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 02:40:28 2005
From: turf.ph at gmail.com (AC Perdon)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:40:28 +0800
Subject: Samba networking, needs password or not?
In-Reply-To: <1135211327.5722.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135211327.5722.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <161976c20512211840i702c4b3fm630b5ec86e663bec@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have set a directory to be shared in my samba server and I was trying
> to access it from another ubuntu box on the network. It was asking for a
> password, I gave my ubuntu password but it wouldn't accept it. In
> #ubuntu I found out that you have to create a user and assign him a
> password with smbpasswd. But another user told me that he had the same
> problem and he mapped a drive directly using \\192.168.0.x/sharename (or
> something) and it worked without password.
>
> Isn't this insecure? What was the point in asking for a password in the
> first place?


Yes you have to create a password for your samba user using 'smbpasswd -a
<user>', and its much secure if you have passwords for your server. Try
reading Samba as PDC.

--
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Thu Dec 22 02:42:20 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:42:20 -0500
Subject: Slow Printing on Brother HL-5050 -- More Memory?
Message-ID: <1135219340.16415.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Anyone use this (or similar printers) and experience a slow down --
minutes -- when printing anything with images? I note that I can upgrade
the RAM from 16MB to 144MB, however, I'd rather not spend the money
unless I knew that things would speed up. The machine that is acting as
the printer server is plenty quick, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the
bottleneck.

Thanks!
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 03:04:08 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:04:08 +1100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
Message-ID: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>

First.. this has nothing to do with the flame war going on (although it 
seems that it was me who started it ;-)

Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
silently queues all email. 

/var/log/mail.err says:
Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
/etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp

/etc/postfix/master.cf says:
127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd

/etc/postfix/main.cf says:
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au

david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
test
david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
search kenpro.com.au

I have no idea where the line 
::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.

Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?

Kind regards, 

David.



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Thu Dec 22 03:17:26 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:17:26 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <doctac$pro$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<oi7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca> <doctac$pro$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1135221446.12300.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 00:51 +0000, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
> >>2) Many of our users won't have an email address, or indeed any sort of
> >>internet access
> > 
> > 
> > I think that's not true.  There are very few people these days who use a
> > computer but not the Internet.
> 
> Most people on the planet don't and won't have internet, but they can
> have access to a second-hand computer, so that is not necessarily true
> and there is no reason to suspect that it will remain true, but email
> can be delivered locally too, so it doesn't matter anyway.
> 
> Unfortunately, whilst those computers could easily run an MTA, etc, they
> can't run Gnome because it's a heap of steaming poo, unfortunately I
> can't abide the feel of KDE, so I use Gnome and keep buying
> supercomputers (which is costing me a lot of money, by the way) - I'm up
> to 1.8GHz, 512 MB RAM and a noisy CPU fan now.

Check this place out

www.endpcnoise.com


I buy all my stuff there..


Varm



> 
> -- 
> Tristan Wibberley
> 
> 




From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 03:15:19 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:15:19 +1100
Subject: breezy generates email
Message-ID: <20051222031518.GC272@mail.kenpro.com.au>

I've posted seperately about either me or Breezy borking my postfix 
install. However, when I managed to hack it to work again, breezy sent 4 
queued emails that it had generated internally. Three were from cron - the 
other was from Debconf.

By any standards, that means that Breezy depends on an MTA. Shouldn't that 
be the end of the discussion?

Please, Please.. .where are the ubuntu personel on this topic. Not much 
point in users discussing it if the gods of ubuntu are ignoring us. 

My personal opinion (not humble): There should be an MTA.. I can't for the 
life of me see a downside. 


David.



From jasonrkr at charter.net  Thu Dec 22 03:37:36 2005
From: jasonrkr at charter.net (Jason Riker)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:37:36 -0800
Subject: Dapper Drake - Error when running dist-upgrade after a fresh install
Message-ID: <1135222656.5819.2.camel@megatron>

Hello All.  I've just installed Dapper Flight One on my system and
receive the following error when I do an initial 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
Can someone help me figure out how to correct this?

Thank you.

Jason

Error
----------------------------
dpkg: xmkmf: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
 xutils depends on xmkmf.
(Reading database ... 57025 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing xmkmf ...
(Reading database ... 57020 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace locales 2.3.5-1ubuntu12
(using .../locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb) ...
/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line
5: /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb
(--unpack):
 subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: considering removing locales in favour of
language-pack-en-base ...
dpkg: no, cannot remove locales (--auto-deconfigure will help):
 ubuntu-minimal depends on locales
  locales is to be removed.
dpkg: regarding .../language-pack-en-base_20051220_all.deb containing
language-pack-en-base:
 language-pack-en-base conflicts with locales (<< 2.3.6)
  locales (version 2.3.5-1ubuntu12) is installed.
dpkg: error
processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20051220_all.deb (--unpack):
 conflicting packages - not installing language-pack-en-base
dpkg: considering removing locales in favour of
language-pack-gnome-en-base ...
dpkg: no, cannot remove locales (--auto-deconfigure will help):
 ubuntu-minimal depends on locales
  locales is to be removed.
dpkg: regarding .../language-pack-gnome-en-base_20051220_all.deb
containing language-pack-gnome-en-base:
 language-pack-gnome-en-base conflicts with locales (<< 2.3.6)
  locales (version 2.3.5-1ubuntu12) is installed.
dpkg: error
processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-en-base_20051220_all.deb (--unpack):
 conflicting packages - not installing language-pack-gnome-en-base
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20051220_all.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-en-base_20051220_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 03:57:37 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:57:37 -0700
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>

Old Rocker wrote:
> Since I started this thread, a number of people have contacted me off 
> list and basically asked:
> 
> "Does it matter if Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork of Debian?" or "What do you 
> mean by a fork anyway?"

It doesn't matter to me.  Ubuntu's relationship to Debian is fine, just 
the way it is.

> 
> As most people have probably realised, it matters to me and I hope it 
> matters to the whole of our community.  The best explanation I have 
> been able to find is in the book "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source 
> Revolution" by Glyn Moody.  Although published first in 2001, the book 
> still stands up today.  Here is the quote:
> 
> "Large-scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal 
> civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to 
> be avoided at all costs....

I don't see it being a "civil war".   To the best of my knowledge a 
bunch of dissatisfied Debian developers didn't become unhappy and start 
Ubuntu did they?

> 
> In terms of Linux distributions, there are various Debian based distros 
> "out there", and most of these provide a better installer that the 
> Debian installer or specialist software.  These are part of the 
> "rainbow" to which Moody refers and add to the total benefit of the 
> whole Debian Project community. 

Ever tried Installing Knoppix and then installing a package from one of 
the Debian repositories?  It can get tricky at times. Been there. Done that.

 > However, Ubuntu/Kubuntu has its own
> repositories and code base, which are close to Debian, but not 
> interchangeable with it.    Simply, you can't guarantee that Debian code
> will run with Ubuntu, its has to be code recompiled for Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is hardly the only Debian-based distro that has this "problem". 
The same applies to RPM based distros as well.

 >  This
> situation is similar to the way in which Gentoo sets up its binaries.  
> The difference is that Gentoo doesn't claim to be part of the Debian 
> community, whereas Ubuntu does.

I think Gentoo would be hard pressed to claim to be part of any 
"community".  Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other distro 
using portage.

> 
> A fork duplicates effort (why should two set of people be developing 
> essentially the same software?) and holds back development (we should 
> be working together, not apart).

If Ubuntu "worked with" Debian as you desire, I might have to wait three 
years for the next stable release. No thanks. That's exactly why I chose 
Ubuntu. I has all the advantages of Debian, without most of the 
Disadvantages.   Why should Ubuntu modify it's operation at this point? 
They would be messing up a perfectly good thing.  That makes no sense.

BTW, isn't Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva, Slackware, Gentoo, YOPER, Arch, 
Vector, YellowDog, RedHat and countless others also duplicating efforts? 
They all produce Linux distributions with much of the same software as 
Debian too.

But they're there because the founders perceived a need (real or 
imagined) and so they are. With a few exceptions most distros have roots 
in either RedHat, Slackware or Debian.

Ubuntu happens to be one of those in the Debian camp.  So, what's the 
big deal?   If anything, Debian benefits from Ubuntu's contributions to 
the community and vice-versa.

Why people wish to make this into a big deal, that really isn't is 
beyond me.


 >  It may be my opinion (as one poster
> has said) that this situation is to be deprecated, but that opinion is 
> shared by many others in the open source community.

And they're all wasting time making much ado over nothing.
> 
> As yet, I don't think Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork, just a difference of 
> ideology.  Ubuntu developers work with others in the Debian community 
> it is true, but the vibes coming out of what I've read and seen, is 
> that there is no close developing of software, and this worries me.  

Why worry? I don't care myself.  I sometimes wonder if Debian developers 
aren't just jealous that Ubuntu can produce something in 6 months, when 
it takes them three years to accomplish the same.   Maybe they feel 
slighted that the stable distribution of Ubuntu has current or 
reasonably current software, while their stable distro is old and tired.

> Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various 
> Debian repositories than going off on its own.

Take a look at the changelogs on any Ubuntu package. You'll find most of 
the notes in there are from people with email addresses ending in 
"@debian.org".   It seems to me Ubuntu uses most of Debian's software. 
They just improve upon it.

> I like Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  Mark Shuttleworth has put his money where his 
> mouth is, and produced for we users, a one-disk distribution that has 
> based its philosophy around the sharing of software.  However, it has 
> the seeds of becoming a fork and with it the possibility of dividing 
> the whole Debian community.  That is the threat I see, and I am giving 
> warning.
> 

You're hardly the first to give this warning, but again, I see it no 
more as a threat to Debian than OpenSUSE is a "threat" to Fedora or KDE 
is a "threat" to  GNOME.

If Debian can't cope with Ubuntu, it's nobody's fault but their own.

BTW, this discussion really belongs on sounder and not ubuntu-users




-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:03:20 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:03:20 -0700
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com>	<GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AA2588.40908@angrykeyboarder.com>

Corey Burger wrote:
> On 11/5/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>>
>> Looks pretty much the same to me... Only modified 'hoary' to breezy'.
>> It even refers to frankandjaq.org...
> 
> Please don't resurrect the Ubuntuguide. Help.ubuntu.com should provide
> you everything you need and if it doesn't, let us know.
> 
> Corey Burger
> Ubuntu Documentation Team
> 


If it's down (often the cae) it can't provide anything, including to 
contact if it's missing something or needs correction.....

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:09:19 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:09:19 -0700
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <dkjgjj$19j$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com>	<GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>	<436CF425.8060008@speakeasy.net>	<c7e21f4d0511051121o63b175a4pdaf508b14f462358@mail.gmail.com>	<20051105205044.2718f402.albi@scii.nl>	<348bd6da0511051256h67916281q70aedd2b54ab4b9a@mail.gmail.com>	<1131231109.5343.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<dkjgjj$19j$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43AA26EF.8090703@angrykeyboarder.com>

Christoph Bier wrote:
> 
> I hardly use menus to start applications just of an old habit but
> also because you can't have /every/ application in your menu.

Sure you can.

sudo apt-get install menu


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From ubuntu at cafuego.net  Thu Dec 22 04:11:19 2005
From: ubuntu at cafuego.net (Peter Lieverdink)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:11:19 +1100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
In-Reply-To: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>

David wrote:
> First.. this has nothing to do with the flame war going on (although it 
> seems that it was me who started it ;-)
> 
> Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
> Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
> silently queues all email. 
> 
> /var/log/mail.err says:
> Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
> /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp
> 
> /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> 
> /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> 
> david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> test
> david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> search kenpro.com.au
> 
> I have no idea where the line 
> ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
> all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> 
> Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?

You disabled ipv6 support :-)

::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:

"::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"

in /etc/hosts?

By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a safe solution.

Cheers,
- P.




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:12:14 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:12:14 -0700
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <436D47B5.5070103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com>	<GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>	<436CF425.8060008@speakeasy.net>	<c7e21f4d0511051121o63b175a4pdaf508b14f462358@mail.gmail.com>	<20051105205044.2718f402.albi@scii.nl>	<348bd6da0511051256h67916281q70aedd2b54ab4b9a@mail.gmail.com>	<1131231109.5343.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<436D47B5.5070103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <43AA279E.5070908@angrykeyboarder.com>

Rich Rudnick wrote:
> Kipton Moravec wrote:
>> You want feed back here is feedback. I want to write a iso image on my
>> CD burner. I go to help.ubuntu.org and find:
>> 
>> 4. 
>> 
>> How do I install CD/DVD burning software (GnomeBaker)?
>> 
>>      1. Read How do I add Universe and Multiverse? 
>>         
>>      2. Install the gnomebaker package with Synaptic (See How do I use
>>         Synaptic to install packages?) 
>>         
>>         GNOME Desktop Environment (universe) > gnomebaker
>> 
>>      1. Applications->Accessories->GnomeBaker CD/DVD Creator 
>>         
>> 
>> So I installed it from synaptic. So far so good. Then what? It is not on
>> my menu system. What do I do?  The help makes me believe it should
>> appear in the menu. It is not there. Where is it? At this point the help
>> is worthless. I believe I downloaded it, but I don't know how to find it
>> to run it.
>>  
>> Kip
> 
> It shows up in Sound & Video (not obvious to the casual observer, obviously)
> 

That brings up another can of worms.    The strange places applications 
end up in menus.

What does my burning an image of my freshly downloaded Ubuntu ISO have 
to do with Sound or Video?  Maybe Gnomebaker should be in "Games". It 
makes just about as much sense......

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 04:22:59 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:22:59 -0800
Subject: Dapper Drake - Error when running dist-upgrade after a fresh
	install
In-Reply-To: <1135222656.5819.2.camel@megatron>
References: <1135222656.5819.2.camel@megatron>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512212022m6a342502s976d2cf0feb5fae2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Jason Riker <jasonrkr at charter.net> wrote:
> Hello All.  I've just installed Dapper Flight One on my system and
> receive the following error when I do an initial 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
> Can someone help me figure out how to correct this?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jason
>
> Error
> ----------------------------
> dpkg: xmkmf: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
>  xutils depends on xmkmf.
> (Reading database ... 57025 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing xmkmf ...
> (Reading database ... 57020 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace locales 2.3.5-1ubuntu12
> (using .../locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb) ...
> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line
> 5: /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local: No such file or directory
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb
> (--unpack):
>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
> dpkg: considering removing locales in favour of
> language-pack-en-base ...
[deleted the rest of it]

It looks like you ran into this recently announced potential problem
with dist-upgrade and locales in Dapper:

http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000043.html



--
Daniel Robitaille



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:25:52 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:25:52 -0700
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0511051609j23e363afpcad645e3d80145e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com>	<GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>	<436CF425.8060008@speakeasy.net>	<c7e21f4d0511051121o63b175a4pdaf508b14f462358@mail.gmail.com>	<20051105205044.2718f402.albi@scii.nl>	<348bd6da0511051256h67916281q70aedd2b54ab4b9a@mail.gmail.com>	<1131231109.5343.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<436D47B5.5070103@sbcglobal.net>
	<348bd6da0511051609j23e363afpcad645e3d80145e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AA2AD0.1000802@angrykeyboarder.com>

Corey Burger wrote:
> Help.ubuntu.com having no KDE/Xfce/Server stuff is a valid arguement
> and one we indeed to solve over the next release cycle. The wiki is
> also a good way to get info, as that is also an official blessed
> source.
> 
> Corey
> Ubuntu Documentation Team

I still go to ubuntuguide.org to find information I can't find 
elsewhere.  I'd have thought the documentation team would have done the 
same.

It's still up. Take another look.

BTW, I gather you don't follow ubuntuforums.org?  Or maybe you just 
missed it?

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=419684&postcount=1

Open Source software is notorious for poor documentation.  And much of 
the best documentation I've ever come across over the years came from 
"unofficial sources".    I had absolutely no problems with 
ubuntuguide.org.  I did 95% of what was suggested there and had no 
problems whatsoever as a result.

In fact, I've yet to come across howtos for any Linux distro over the 
past 8 years.  You would be well served to copy as much as humanly 
possible, right down to the style.



-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:30:37 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:30:37 -0700
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <dkkpms$b6s$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com><GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com><436CF425.8060008@speakeasy.net><c7e21f4d0511051121o63b175a4pdaf508b14f462358@mail.gmail.com><20051105205044.2718f402.albi@scii.nl><348bd6da0511051256h67916281q70aedd2b54ab4b9a@mail.gmail.com><1131231109.5343.66.camel@localhost.localdomain><436D47B5.5070103@sbcglobal.net>	<348bd6da0511051609j23e363afpcad645e3d80145e3@mail.gmail.com>	<openmind.1y1uwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<dkkpms$b6s$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43AA2BED.50709@angrykeyboarder.com>

Christoph Bier wrote:
> 'Forum Post schrieb am 06.11.2005 01:24:
> 
>> The worst kind of FUD, the kind that only serves to feed your own ego at
>> the expense of another.
> 
> ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD

I believe he's implying that Corey's statement implied that you would be 
wrong not to get your Ubuntu help from a source that wasn't "blessed" by 
the documentation team.  Thereby spreading "FUD". :-)

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 04:31:43 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:43 +1100
Subject: bug-buddy depends -> MTA, cron depends -> MTA,
	Debconf depends -> MTA
Message-ID: <20051222043142.GA16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>


Well.. technically speaking, bug-buddy doesn't depend on an MTA, but it 
doesn't do anything useful unless you have one working, as I just 
discovered.

It DOES send emails, so I guess the maintainer assumes an MTA... wot a 
bad norty boy he is, making assumptions like that.

Description: GNOME Desktop Environment bug reporting tool
 The goal of bug-buddy is to make reporting bugs very simple and easy for 
users, while making the reports themselves more useful and informative for 
developers.

Strictly speaking, the same applies to Debconf. Just that error messages 
vanish without an MTA installed. The maintainer doesn't list one as a 
requirement either. All these assumptions..........

Description: Debian configuration management system
 Debconf is a configuration management system for debian packages. 
Packages use Debconf to ask questions when they are installed.


As for cron.... well... . we all know about cron, don't we?


It's only a flame war. Please don't take me too seriously. I can assure 
you that *I* don't.

Yes... i really LIKE ubuntu, and will continue to use it, but that doesn't 
mean it's perfect, or that the gods don't make mistakes. 


Merry Xmas (if you celebrate it)

David.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 04:37:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:37:49 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><1135158957.12300.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<op.s14pew1cbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <matthew.20fcom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> that would be fine. could we please have some word of the Ubuntu  
> developers? please.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth

Scroll down to the section titled "Is Ubuntu a Debian fork? Or spoon?
What sort of silverware are you, man?"


-- 
matthew



From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 04:39:14 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:39:14 +1100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
In-Reply-To: <43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
Message-ID: <20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:11:19PM +1100, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
> David wrote:
> > Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
> > Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
> > silently queues all email. 
> > 
> > /var/log/mail.err says:
> > Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
> > /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp
> > 
> > /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> > 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > 
> > /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> > myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> > 
> > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> > test
> > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > search kenpro.com.au
> > 
> > I have no idea where the line 
> > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
> > all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> > 
> > Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?
> 
> You disabled ipv6 support :-)
> 
> ::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:
> 
> "::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
> 
> in /etc/hosts?
> 
> By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
> and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a safe solution.
___________________________________
david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hosts
<snip>
# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
# (added automatically by netbase upgrade)

::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
__________________________________

I'm curious how this would have come about. I'm happy to leave ipv6 
disabled but does this constitute a bug? given that all I did was 
hoary->breezy upgrade.

What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?

Thanks for your answer.

David.



From jasonrkr at charter.net  Thu Dec 22 04:41:13 2005
From: jasonrkr at charter.net (Jason Riker)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:41:13 -0800
Subject: Dapper Drake - Error when running dist-upgrade after a fresh
	install
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512212022m6a342502s976d2cf0feb5fae2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135222656.5819.2.camel@megatron>
	<e453abbe0512212022m6a342502s976d2cf0feb5fae2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135226473.5819.8.camel@megatron>

Daniel,

Thank you for the quick reply.  I read the message at the URL you
posted, but don't really understand it.  I'm probably not the best to
test a distro, but Dapper is so nice I have to give it a try.  So, given
that I've encountered this error is there anything I can do to correct
it?  Does it mean that since I'm here I've borked my system and a
reinstall is the easiest thing? I don't mind playing with this system.

Thanks again.

Jason

> It looks like you ran into this recently announced potential problem
> with dist-upgrade and locales in Dapper:
> 
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-December/000043.html
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Daniel Robitaille
> 



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 04:47:12 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:47:12 -0700
Subject: Samba help please
Message-ID: <43AA2FD0.904@angrykeyboarder.com>

Speaking of ubunguguide.org and help.ubuntu.com....

They are both guity of vagueness in this area..

-------------------------------------------------------------------
How do I install Samba?

To add network user

    1.

       Read How do I add/edit/delete users?
    2.

       smbpasswd -a system_username
       sudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers

    3.

       Insert the following line into the new file

       system_username = "network username"

-------------------------------------------------------------------

What's a "system_username"?

Do I have one?

What's a "network username"?

Do I have one?

Will this get me networked with my other computer in this room (Windows 
XP-only box) the same way I was when both ran Windows XP?   There were 
no user names or passwords involved?

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Thu Dec 22 04:57:37 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:57:37 -0800
Subject: bug-buddy depends -> MTA, cron depends -> MTA, Debconf depends
	-> MTA
In-Reply-To: <20051222043142.GA16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051222043142.GA16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135227457.12300.99.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 15:31 +1100, David wrote:


<snip>


> 
> Merry Xmas (if you celebrate it)
> 
> David.
> 


</snip>


I CELEBRATE everything I can!!!   8^)))


Vram






From taeb at netins.net  Thu Dec 22 04:56:08 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:56:08 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <9421dc6f0512211648u345a1e8wd76454bfabbfffcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<9421dc6f0512191540r6842638apdb60bfb7055e20a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051221215207.GA12760@netins.net>
	<9421dc6f0512211648u345a1e8wd76454bfabbfffcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051222045607.GA22188@netins.net>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 07:48:35PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote:
> Hi tonyB,
> 
> Yes, I installed Ubuntu on the SATA drive. Everything was new on the
> box, I added the IDE drive from an old computer after the fact. I
> didn't have to do anything special to get it working. I actually
> installed Windows first (daughter--games), then the Ubuntu installer
> saw the partitions and free space and I went ahead with the
> partitioning.

That sounds pretty good.  I won't have Windows, but presumably that
won't be a problem ... unless the disk needs to be formatted in some way
beforehand.  I'm guessing no; do you know?


> I'm not anti-Intel, but it seems you might get more bang for your buck
> with AMD; I wouldn't say one is "safer" than the other, just
> different.

And I didn't mean anything against AMD.  Seems like a LOT of people are
going with their 64-bit processors.  I've already bought the cpu,
however, so ...  :)

> So far so good, just trying to figure out how to rip DVD's and combine
> a bunch of VCD's to one DVD. I really like it, no comparison to the
> old k62-500.

Sounds great!  Thanks very much for the info, Todd.

tonyB



From girishvnair at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 05:02:17 2005
From: girishvnair at gmail.com (girish nair)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:32:17 +0530
Subject: Ubuntu Hangs
Message-ID: <2f3206950512212102s4b488e9w5fdd0250639d6def@mail.gmail.com>

hi ,
I have a problem with ubuntu.
It was when i was about to change my system from Windows to Ubuntu that i
found this.
I am able to switch from GUI to tty(1-6) with out any problem by using the
keys 'alt+ctrl+f(1-6)'
But wen i press alt+ctrl+f7 to get back my GUI
the system hangs.I am using p4 1.7Ghz cpu
and Intel 845 GLAD board .Can anyone help me out of this.
Thank u
Hale Ubuntu

--
Girish V.Nair
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From taeb at netins.net  Thu Dec 22 05:25:59 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:25:59 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <43A9D419.6050804@wadesmart.com>
References: <20051219230249.GA26323@netins.net>
	<43A73E58.9000704@wadesmart.com>
	<20051221215705.GB12760@netins.net>
	<43A9D419.6050804@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051222052559.GB22188@netins.net>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 04:15:53PM -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12212005 1612 GMT-5
> 
> I didnt mean to say its hard to get it going on a SATA drive. I 
> personally have had some trouble with motherboards and SATA drives. Just 
> little things - stupid things that get under your skin. I just like to 
> use what works - and for me its been IDE so far.
> 
> Really, just plug it in a go from there. If you start to have odd 
> problems like it not being recognized - which I have had for no apparent 
> reason - that is when it gets frustrating.
> 
> Have you already purchased all your parts?

No, although I have a display and CPU (Pentium P4-630) which was on
sale, and I was planning to order this week after asking for comments on
the builders message board.  Someone there commented on trouble with the
SATA optical drive and Xandros Linux which made me wonder, so I thought
I'd check in here.  Your comment got me looking around, and of course
most of the stuff I found was about problems.  Why post if you don't
have a problem, right?  :)  Anyway, I started thinking it might be
better to play it safe and go with IDE.  But, a couple of other guys
didn't seem to have any trouble, and I found a section in the book I
have about building PCs, and they said SATA drives should show up if the
board has the interface on it and the kernel is 2.4 or greater.  So now
I'm leaning back towards going SATA again.  I have to decide pretty
quick.  Best Buy has a Seagate 200GB Ultra ATA/100 on sale through
tomorrow for $50 after rebates.  They've been selling Seagate ATA drive
really cheap for quite a while now.  Well -- now I'm babbling.  Back to
parts: the board I've decided on at this point is an Intel 945PVS.  It
looks good to my inexperienced eye, and reviews sounded good.  Says it
has 4 serial ATA interfaces and one parallel ATA UDMA/33, with
ATA-66/100 support.  I don't know what the "support" comment means.
Sounds like I'd need something extra if I went with the ATA/100 drive.
My original plan was to buy a Seagate SATA HD and a Plextor SATA
optical, and I'm leaning back towards that again.  I'm hoping to avoid the
all the "little" frustrations you refer to though.  A guy can spend a
fortune on blood pressure meds.

Thanks very much for the comments and info, Wade.

tonyB



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 05:27:49 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:27:49 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz><200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net><77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com><1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org><20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au><20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org><1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca><20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org><oi7o73-i88.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<doctac$pro$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<1135221446.12300.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ihavenoname.20ffgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


ok wow...im lost...its cool it seems like something i dont neccessarly
need to know right now. im at least fairly sure that the gest here is
annoying vs. non-annoying desktops as well as safe vs non-safe etc.
hahahah this is probably one of the most advanced discussions ive ever
seen....ive never been this lost on a computer realted forum hahah im
disillusioned now about how much i know:confused: hahahaha ill be fine
thou u all just...discuss away:D


-- 
ihavenoname



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 05:38:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:38:14 -0500
Subject: Dapper Drake - Error when running dist-upgrade after a fresh
	install
References: <1135222656.5819.2.camel@megatron><e453abbe0512212022m6a342502s976d2cf0feb5fae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135226473.5819.8.camel@megatron>
Message-ID: <Tomy.20ffgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the same error with the locales package. Probably caused because
I did an "apt-get upgrade" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade".

Any advice on how to fix this?

Thanks
Tomy


-- 
Tomy



From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 05:45:32 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:45:32 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>

>
> You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.
>

I'm curious: are vituperative rants and personal attacks the norm for this
mailing list?  If so, perhaps I should reconsider my subscription.
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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:07:08 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:08 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > Assuming they did. Many people just use webmail nowadays.
>

I happen to own a small ISP.


Arguably the largest ISP in the world (and very certainly in the top ten) --
China Netcom -- doesn't provide native ISP email at all.  Almost all of its
subscribers interact by email solely through webmail.  Conclusion?  Your
experiences in owning a "small ISP" don't mean a damned thing.



> The facts supporting your assertion please?


You just got some.
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:09:16 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:09:16 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <LEwDatgQXdqDFwWN@shrdlu.com>
References: <43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<d12e5c90512201849u166615e5k2576cc7a62e5bcf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<oe3a8ney.fsf@gmail.com>
	<515e525f0512210852u2420e2b8n4a36e2d58463f3ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<LEwDatgQXdqDFwWN@shrdlu.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512212209p6e0ad80ei9735254191dc43fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Bernard Peek <bap at shrdlu.com> wrote:

[snip]

> This is true but seems to be substituting one assumption for another. If
> you assume that no program will ever require a functional MTA then you
> will be caught out when a users installs such a package.

Assumptions either way is bad. And cron is broken if it doesn't depend
on an MTA . I do believe that in a default install, the breakage in
cron does not constitute a problem as the only warning you will be
missing out on is the rmic.1.gz dangling symlink.

> One sensible option, as you suggest, would be to audit all supported
> packages and reject any that require a functioning MTA. That at least
> means that Ubuntu itself isn't creating the problem.

No, we shouldn't reject them, as they are useful, but perhaps
dependencies should be looked over, like the one in bug-buddy.

> A second alternative would be to install a functioning MTA by default.
> For security reasons the default should be to handle local mail only. As
> Ubuntu currently mostly works without this I don't think any elaborate
> notification scheme is required. Perhaps a notification at logon and at
> configurable intervals defaulting to daily.

I still think that in a default install, the default notification
scheme should be something like the dbus method suggested, pop-up box
scheme like update-notifier handles things. Anyone requiring something
more sophisticated can always install the MTA they desire.

> I wonder whether a separate text-only console for root's mail messages
> would be useful?

In a default install, the user should probobly never find themselves
on a vc so this may be overkill.

Regards,

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 06:20:42 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:20:42 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AA45BA.5090804@earthlink.net>

Michael Richter wrote:
>>You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
>>Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.
>>
> 
> 
> I'm curious: are vituperative rants and personal attacks the norm for this
> mailing list?  If so, perhaps I should reconsider my subscription.
> 
> 

Michael:
No. I've been here about five months and found it to be a friendly and 
useful list. Somehow things got out of hand here last week. Let's hope 
they settle down.

-- cmg




From brymelvin at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 02:29:48 2005
From: brymelvin at yahoo.com (Bryann Melvin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:29:48 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)(Thanks for rep;
	ies)
In-Reply-To: <E1EobO9-00005J-Mj@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EobO9-00005J-Mj@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43A76C9C.2040101@yahoo.com>

ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:17:06 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Terry North <terrencenorth at yahoo.com.au>
>Subject: Re: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)(Thanks for
>	replies)
>To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <loom.20051220T071057-53 at post.gmane.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Bryann Melvin <brymelvin <at> melvinart.com> writes:
>...
>Thanks for your comments and those of Jan Moren.  I intend to persevere but, the
>way things are set up, getting the system to a ready state will take time and
>lots of it.  I'm no power user - just trying things out.  My other Linux system,
>so far, makes Ubuntu look very shabby.  I would have preferred more tools rather
>than OOo on the disk because, if I continue, I'll probably get the official
>version of OOo rather than use the Ubuntu version.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
One more bit of advice...go ahead and use the Ubuntu OpenOffice.org version:

The "Official "version comes in one flavor...(OO.org 2) and that is RPM. 
to use it you will have to convert it  to deb AND remove some 
nonapplicable files.

You don't want 1.1.5 as Open Document is only minimally supported.

If you DO download the "official" archive READ the SETUP Guide FIRST. 
It's a seperate Download and is not included in the Archive. When 
expanding the archive do it from the command line. Trying to extract it 
with a gui is going to probably put some things in the wrong directory. 
I KNOW it does on Fedora and SuSE. ( I've tried ALL kinds of 
permutations of installing this, I'm a community distributor ..I make 
cds of OpenOffice.org for distribution.)

The "Official" installation set  CAN be bought on cd from various 
distributors...maybe there is one in your local. I plan on adding an 
already configured for deb/ubuntu directory on my install disk...but I 
do not ship Outside of US and Mexico  ..it will be another couple of 
weeks before I have tested it on enough win and linux machines to be 
sure of quality anyway. I mainly distribute it just locally here on the 
border. (schools libraries etc.).


Bryann




From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:35:51 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <43A7EC97.7040800@optusnet.com.au>

Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui for 
the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as possible. Just my 
two cents.



From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:05:21 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:05:21 +1100
Subject: Dual head system setup
Message-ID: <1135076721.7074.4.camel@showof>

Current card I have is onboard SiS (PCI slot), works fine, etc. New card
is GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot). So first I am trying to get the system to
know about the card. Changed BIOS setting. Closest one I had to AGP was
Onboard AGP so changed to that. Booted, still boots using PCI card. 

Also installed:

nvidia-glx
(%> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, using KUbuntu)


Any ideas, anyone?

   Thanks,
       Serg




From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:40:56 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:40:56 +1100
Subject: hp laserjet 1200
Message-ID: <43A7EDC8.6030704@optusnet.com.au>

Have you used the HPLIP drivers or the ones which came with Ubuntu. If 
you're using the standard ones,then change to the HPLIP drivers. You can 
get them from hpinkjet.sourceforge.net



From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:42:28 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:42:28 +1100
Subject: Swap Partition
Message-ID: <43A7EE24.3050307@optusnet.com.au>

You are not meant to be able to access the swap partition. It acts like 
virtual memory in windows. It has nothign which would be of use to you 
to see so don't worry about it. By the way, 5GB?! That's huge! It's far 
more than you could ever need, no matter what you were using you 
computer for.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:46:15 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:46:15 +1100
Subject: Newbie needs help - How to boot to the console
Message-ID: <43A7EF07.3030205@optusnet.com.au>

Go to the folder for the runlevel you start to, (you can find out which 
one this is by looking in /etc/inittab) and type in the terminal:

sudo mv *dm /home/username

Where username is your username. The folder you want is /etc/rc#.d when 
# is the number of the runlevel you're after.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 11:50:14 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:50:14 +1100
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
Message-ID: <43A7EFF6.6090005@optusnet.com.au>

Hey,

Check with your vendor about the BIOS update thing. I don't know of any 
vendor which offers BIOS update software for linux but many offer 
updates via floppy or CD on boot, eliminating the problem. You just 
download the update, load it onto the disk, and reboot.

Most optical drives will work with Ubuntu (I've never heard of any which 
didn't) so you're probably safe no matter what you choose. Xandros is 
completely different.

Sasha



From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 12:01:47 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:01:47 +1100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
Message-ID: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>

Welcome from windows. I am actually going to answer this, even though 
you have displayed exactly zero knowledge of ubuntu by making this post. 
By the way, have you bothered to even look at the online documentation? 
It would have answered every single one of your questions.

Firstly, the installation does not ask for a root passwrod because 
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and every other Ubunutu derivative has no root account. 
You complete root functions by prefacing commands with sudo. The type in 
your own password when it is requested. The point of this is to avoid 
the need for a root account, which damages security.

Don't allow people to log into recovery mode if you don't want them to. 
Eliminate it from the grub menu.

With all issues where you complain about not having enough control, go 
for gentoo or debian if you want all that. Ubuntu is designed to make 
things as easy as possible, which means some loss of installation 
flexibility, but once it is installed, ANYTHING can be changed, 
including all those things you don't like.

With the screen resolution, read the manual please. It will answer the 
question so I won't waste time with it.

Kubuntu comes with many utilities besides those for KDE, and Ubuntu 
comes with many besides those which are part of Gnome. You could have 
had KAlarm in Gnome by simply typing sudo apt-get install kalarm into a 
terminal when you were into the GUI. Similarly, nautilus and gedit can 
be installed using the command sudo apt-get install nautilus gedit. 
Again, please read the manual before asking stupid questions or throwing 
a tantrum.

Finally, to perform any administrative tasks, like editing a 
configuration file, you need to use the sudo command. Please learn to 
read, this was quite an effort so I hope that this time you payed 
attention, as you clearly didn't previously



From mpatterson500z at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 17:27:54 2005
From: mpatterson500z at gmail.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:27:54 -0500
Subject: ubuntu version numbers vs nicknames
In-Reply-To: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
References: <43A83B68.3020400@ncia.net>
Message-ID: <54b0a7fd0512200927q5d59bb2dn6129ace64a36d692@mail.gmail.com>

4.10 Warty Warthog
5.4 Hoary Hedgehog
5.10 Breezy Badger
6.4 Dapper Drake

The numbers designation the year and month the release came out. 4.10 =
2004, 10th month.

Matt


On 12/20/05, alex <radsky at ncia.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to catch up with the naming of the various ubuntu version
> numbers but google doesn't seem  to be of much help.  Is there somewhere
> that connects the numbers with the nicknames or can someone put these
> together in a list?
>
> alex
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From mane at netset.se  Tue Dec 20 20:26:13 2005
From: mane at netset.se (mane at netset.se)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:26:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Mysql 4.1, empty blobs
Message-ID: <52850.81.231.84.235.1135110373.squirrel@81.231.84.235>

Hi,

I dont know if I encountered a bug but it smells like it. Im unable to
insert blobs via JDBC from my webapp into the MySQL (version
4.1.12-1ubuntu3) server. The blobs remain null in the database after the
updates. No exceptions are thrown from the JDBC driver. I have tried with
different Java versions with the same result. I am currently using the
Blackdown-1.4.2-02 build.

I removed the Ubuntu version of MySQL and installed the original MySQL
4.1.16 from mysql.com. The blobs are now correctly inserted and retreived
from the database.

Please let me know if you need more detailed information.

Kind regards
Magnus Johansson




From girishvnair at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 09:41:00 2005
From: girishvnair at gmail.com (girish nair)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:11:00 +0530
Subject: restoring gui
Message-ID: <2f3206950512210141rd587f70mbcac3ec688e48218@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,
i have got a p4 1.7 ghz machine
intel 845glad board
and 256 mb of ram
now the problem is that i dont get the gui back wen
i once switch to any of the tty's and then again
i press (alt+ctrl+f7) in breezy badger.
The system hangs instead....wat can i do ?
--
Girish V.Nair
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From winfswinfs at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 22 05:57:48 2005
From: winfswinfs at hotmail.com (winfs winfs)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:57:48 +0800
Subject: ubuntu 5.1 keeps rebooting
Message-ID: <BAY16-F82D347DA3EC7AA396F6A4CF300@phx.gbl>

I have installed ubuntu 5.1 x64 and the installation completed without any 
error. However, ubuntu keeps on rebooting mid way throught the start up 
process. It reboots after reaching the item "HP Linux Printing...." .

When using the boot recovery option, it boots into the terminal screen. It 
reboots after I type "startx".Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

_________________________________________________________________
Find love online with MSN Personals. 
http://match.msn.com.my/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 06:31:38 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:31:38 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051221033323.144b8077.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051220210753.GB4819@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 21:45, Michael Richter wrote:
> I'm curious: are vituperative rants and personal attacks
> the norm for this mailing list?  If so, perhaps I should
> reconsider my subscription.

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 22:07, Michael Richter wrote:
> Arguably the largest ISP in the world (and very certainly in the top
> ten) -- China Netcom -- doesn't provide native ISP email at all. 
> Almost all of its subscribers interact by email solely through
> webmail.  Conclusion?  Your experiences in owning a "small ISP" don't
> mean a damned thing.

If you mean to imply that China Netcom blocks port 25, what
relevance does that have to local delivery of system messages?

--Mike Bird




From einand at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:44:39 2005
From: einand at gmail.com (Ein Andersson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:44:39 +0100
Subject: Wanting to run Linux on laptop (Newbie stuff)
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512211624j48766aa3m87523f9557ebd6dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>	<aec9371b0512211437j78a0bf58s4b16e74477f0a113@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512211624j48766aa3m87523f9557ebd6dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AA4B57.2080302@3gdev.com>

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There is a few laptops that needs a FAT16/32 partion for bios
hibernating functions.

- --
Ein Andersson

Senectus . wrote:
> On 12/22/05, Colin Brace <cb at lim.nl> wrote:
> 
>>Why do you need Windows to access the BIOS? You hit F2 or whatever
>>when you see the BIOS power-up screen and that drops you into the BIOS
>>menus directly -- no need for XP.
> 
> 
> It's not one of those horrid laptops that have the bios on the hard
> drive is it? *shudder*
> 
> 
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>   I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
> 
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 07:22:35 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:22:35 -0800
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 04:01, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> Firstly, the installation does not ask for a root passwrod because 
> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and every other Ubunutu derivative has no root account.

Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and every other Ubuntu derivative has a root account.
Depending upon how you install, they may or may not have a password.

> You complete root functions by prefacing commands with sudo. The type in 
> your own password when it is requested.

Ubuntu can be installed in expert mode or regular mode.  We recommend
that you use expert mode as Ubuntu then behaves as new users expect.
In particular, you don't need to worry about additional security
issues in sudo.  If you install in regular mode, you'll have to
get used to using sudo, or reinstall, or use sudo to set a password
for root.

> The point of this is to avoid the need for a root account, which 
> damages security.

All Unix systems, including all versions of Ubuntu, have a root
account.  A root account does not damage security.

The people on this list disagree as to whether a system is more
or less secure when sudo is used for everything.  I think we can
all agree it's less convenient.

I would ask anyone who'd like to use this opportunity to start
a new rant about sudo to first read and memorize all previous
emails on this list.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 07:38:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:38:37 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Hangs
References: <2f3206950512212102s4b488e9w5fdd0250639d6def@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <amohanty.20fl0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


girish nair Wrote: 
> hi ,

> I have a problem with ubuntu.

> It was when i was about to change my system from Windows to Ubuntu that
> i

> found this.

> I am able to switch from GUI to tty(1-6) with out any problem by using
> the

> keys 'alt+ctrl+f(1-6)'

> But wen i press alt+ctrl+f7 to get back my GUI

> the system hangs.I am using p4 1.7Ghz cpu

> and Intel 845 GLAD board .Can anyone help me out of this.

> Thank u

> Hale Ubuntu

> 

> --

> Girish V.Nair

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Do you get any error messages?

Any errors logged in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?



AM


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 07:44:32 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:44:32 -0500
Subject: Samba help please
References: <43AA2FD0.904@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <amohanty.20flxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Scott Wrote: 
> Speaking of ubunguguide.org and help.ubuntu.com....

> 

> They are both guity of vagueness in this area..

> 

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> How do I install Samba?

> 

> To add network user

> 

> 1.

> 

> Read How do I add/edit/delete users?

> 2.

> 

> smbpasswd -a system_username

> sudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers

> 

> 3.

> 

> Insert the following line into the new file

> 

> system_username = "network username"

> 

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> 

> What's a "system_username"?

> 

> Do I have one?

> 

> What's a "network username"?

> 

> Do I have one?

> 

> Will this get me networked with my other computer in this room (Windows
> 

> XP-only box) the same way I was when both ran Windows XP?   There were
> 

> no user names or passwords involved?

> 





system_username refers to any valid user that you created on your
ubuntu system. If during install you created only one user (yourself)
the username that provided is it. So yes you have it. Its what you
logged in with.



"network username" typically refers to a username valid on your windows
machine.



Also take a look at the wiki articale, I think that is more helpful.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28samba%29



HTH


-- 
amohanty



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 07:48:20 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:48:20 -0500
Subject: ubuntu 5.1 keeps rebooting
References: <BAY16-F82D347DA3EC7AA396F6A4CF300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <amohanty.20flxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


winfs winfs Wrote: 
> I have installed ubuntu 5.1 x64 and the installation completed without
> any 

> error. However, ubuntu keeps on rebooting mid way throught the start up
> 

> process. It reboots after reaching the item "HP Linux Printing...." .

> 

> When using the boot recovery option, it boots into the terminal screen.
> It 

> reboots after I type "startx".Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

> 



Drop into recovery

Enable universe repos.

Install sys-rc-conf using: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf

Run sysv-rc-conf: sudo sysv-rc-conf

Since it reboots at HP Linux Printing its probably the hplip or hpoj
modules, Uncheck all boxes infront of anything hp.

reboot



HTH


-- 
amohanty



From rsgill at purdue.edu  Thu Dec 22 08:02:50 2005
From: rsgill at purdue.edu (R S Gill)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:02:50 -0500
Subject: cups-pdf
Message-ID: <1135238570.17459.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,

I installed cups-pdf but I cannot find the PDF printer in my printer
list. How can I print to PDF?

Running Breezy here.

Gill
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec 22 08:33:19 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:33:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <43A7EC97.7040800@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43A7EC97.7040800@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <16189.213.237.42.134.1135240399.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui for
> the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as possible. Just my
> two cents.
No but the idea is good for people that has just switched!

Phillip



From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:47:27 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:47:27 +0800
Subject: Hamachi
In-Reply-To: <98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>
	<MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512220047j78d83d7dybd278494a1b7bec7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, David Coldrick <coldrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have it installed and running. The UI ain't so hot if you're used to the
> Windows one - it's just command line stuff.
> http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3421 gives a
> pretty good overview of what needs doing.
>
> Really nice product, shame it doesn't support proxy servers yet.

Thanks for that it really helped..
and the only other thing i have to say is :
_WOW_
This is some really well thought out and well implemented VPN.. Love it :-)
Pity It's not GPL :-/


--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 09:07:56 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:07:56 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> If you mean to imply that China Netcom blocks port 25, what
> relevance does that have to local delivery of system messages?

That you don't need the MTA and that a dbus (or similar) solution with
pop-up boxes are much more likely to work in a majority of cases.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From otte at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 09:11:33 2005
From: otte at optusnet.com.au (Andrew Otte)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:11:33 +1000
Subject: smb4k-0.6.4 package
Message-ID: <200512221911.33438.otte@optusnet.com.au>

Help please.
I am wanting to install smb4k to browse windowsXP shares on a small home 
network.
The version in the breezy repository is a little problematic when mounting 
shares as normal user.  So I tried to build the latest version from source 
and have failed.  Don't know why - appears to go ok but when complete smb4k 
isn't there!  
Found a debian package of the latest version.  smb4k_0.6.4-0.0_i386.deb
When I install there are dependency issues with 
kdelibs4
libqt3c102-mt
Now I have looked and see that in my kubuntu breezy install these packages 
exist but are called kdelibs4c2 and libqt3-mt.  
So the package will work but leaves a dependency issue if I force the install.  
then everytime I run apt-get or adept smb4k gets uninstalled.  
What do i have to do to get over this dependency issue?
Thanks in advance

-- 
---------------------------------------
Andrew Otte
Laildey, Queensland
Australia
otte at optusnet.com.au
---------------------------------------



From otte at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 09:28:27 2005
From: otte at optusnet.com.au (Andrew Otte)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:28:27 +1000
Subject: smb4k-0.6.4 package
Message-ID: <200512221928.27802.otte@optusnet.com.au>

Help please.
I am wanting to install smb4k to browse windowsXP shares on a small home 
network.
The version in the breezy repository is a little problematic when mounting 
shares as normal user.  So I tried to build the latest version from source 
and have failed.  Don't know why - appears to go ok but when complete smb4k 
isn't there!  
Found a debian package of the latest version.  smb4k_0.6.4-0.0_i386.deb
When I install there are dependency issues with 
kdelibs4
libqt3c102-mt
Now I have looked and see that in my kubuntu breezy install these packages 
exist but are called kdelibs4c2 and libqt3-mt.  
So the package will work but leaves a dependency issue if I force the install.  
then everytime I run apt-get or adept smb4k gets uninstalled.  
What do i have to do to get over this dependency issue?
Thanks in advance
-- 
---------------------------------------
Andrew Otte
Laildey, Queensland
Australia
otte at optusnet.com.au
---------------------------------------



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 09:50:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:50:41 -0500
Subject: Dual head system setup
References: <1135076721.7074.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <mo_x.20frhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I don't have such a setup myself but maybe I can help a little.
What motherboard do you have?
The SiS video is it integrated on your motherboard or a separate pci
card?
What other options do you have in the bios related to your video card?
Can you post the output of the command lspci.


-- 
mo_x



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 10:04:20 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:04:20 +0000
Subject: smb4k-0.6.4 package
In-Reply-To: <200512221911.33438.otte@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200512221911.33438.otte@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512220204p58a839fdx@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there.

On 22/12/05, Andrew Otte <otte at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Help please.
> I am wanting to install smb4k to browse windowsXP shares on a small home
> network.
> The version in the breezy repository is a little problematic when mounting
> shares as normal user.  So I tried to build the latest version from source
> and have failed.  Don't know why - appears to go ok but when complete smb4k
> isn't there!
> Found a debian package of the latest version.  smb4k_0.6.4-0.0_i386.deb
> When I install there are dependency issues with
> kdelibs4
> libqt3c102-mt
> Now I have looked and see that in my kubuntu breezy install these packages
> exist but are called kdelibs4c2 and libqt3-mt.
> So the package will work but leaves a dependency issue if I force the install.
> then everytime I run apt-get or adept smb4k gets uninstalled.
> What do i have to do to get over this dependency issue?
> Thanks in advance
>

Samba is harder than it needs to be and the config can be tricky, but
it almost certainly isn't necessary to do something as drastic as
compile it yourself to get over a permissions issue. Can you be more
specific about the problems your encountering with mounting shares as
ordinary users? In /etc/samba/smb.conf, are you using share or user
mode? Have you created samba accounts with smbpasswd? I'm betting you
can get over this problem with the version in the repositories.

-Eamonn



From rasputnik at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 10:12:12 2005
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:12:12 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760512220212x105967es@mail.gmail.com>

I think Mikes mothers name is 'mta'. Either that or there's some other
reason he's getting personally offended.

On 22/12/05, Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> > Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.
> >
>
>  I'm curious: are vituperative rants and personal attacks the norm for this
> mailing list?  If so, perhaps I should reconsider my subscription.
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>


--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 10:15:23 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:23 +0000
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/12/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> The people on this list disagree as to whether a system is more
> or less secure when sudo is used for everything.  I think we can
> all agree it's less convenient.

I'm *so* sick of this conversation, but I keep seeing statements like
this, so I must be missing something. I want to understand the other
side, so can someone with more expertise please enlighten me on the
difference between:

sudo -i

and

su

As far as I know, the end result is *exactly* the same. You *are*
root, in a root's environment, etc. Can someone tell me what is *so*
inconvenient about this, other than five more characters to type? Is
there any difference between the two?

Thoroughly baffled,

-Eamonn



From ogra at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec 22 10:17:43 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:17:43 +0100
Subject: dangling symlinks
In-Reply-To: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>
References: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135246664.4311.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 09:14 +0800 schrieb Wenzhuo Zhang:
> Hi,
> 
> After installing postfix, I started to receive the following message 
> generated by cron.daily:
> 
>    /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
>    mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a dangling symlink
> 
looks like you broke the by default included installation of java in
breezy with a third party package that doesnt respect the alternatives
system...

ciao
	oli
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From ogra at ubuntu.com  Thu Dec 22 10:28:51 2005
From: ogra at ubuntu.com (Oliver Grawert)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:28:51 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135247331.4311.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 21.12.2005, 23:22 -0800 schrieb Mike Bird:
> Ubuntu can be installed in expert mode or regular mode.  We recommend
> that you use expert mode 
who is "we" ? i'm sure he majority of users in this mailinglist would
not recommend anyone using expert mode since it is (as you might guess
by the name) for experts ...

please stop giving people advises that will leave them with a bad
experience, if you dont like ubuntu, thats no reason to make other
people suffer...

ciao
	oli
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 10:37:45 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:37:45 +0100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512220237m1d06381m5c2bcdef73c6d879@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Eamonn Sullivan <eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

> I'm *so* sick of this conversation, but I keep seeing statements like
> this, so I must be missing something. I want to understand the other
> side, so can someone with more expertise please enlighten me on the
> difference between:
>
> sudo -i
>
> and
>
> su
>
> As far as I know, the end result is *exactly* the same. You *are*
> root, in a root's environment, etc. Can someone tell me what is *so*
> inconvenient about this, other than five more characters to type? Is
> there any difference between the two?
>
> Thoroughly baffled,

You know Eamonn, I have to agree with you. It is a baffling and
shocking experience when you encounter a thoroughly closed and set in
stone mind the first few times. You try reasoning, you try coaxing,
you try reasoning again, when that doesn't work you try sarcasm and
irony (mainly through running out of options of nem angles) and then
you simply ignore the closed-mind-dude as yet another
crank/hoax/firestarter.

sudo and su does have subtle differences, but both are excellent
tools, and kudos to Ubuntu for the approach they have taken with no
root login by default and sudo. It stunned me at first, and sudo was
the third thing I tried (after trying root login from console,
followed by "su -" from my own login). Once I got root, I set a
password and then just carried on as I would have on any other distro.

There has been an upsurge in crank postings on this list in the last
week, and if I pull on the tin-foil hat for a second, it almost smells
like a half-arsed co-ordinated slander attack against Ubuntu, what
with the complaints about mta's, the use of sudo and
non-100%s-package-compatibility with Debian.

Ubuntu *must* be doing something right if there are people getting
desperate enough to resort to such tactics. Robbie sang recently
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they hate you,
then they fight you, then you win..." - I guess Ubuntu is a bit over
halfway there... :-)

Merry Xmas all,

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 10:25:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:25:01 -0500
Subject: GL screen savers don't start anymore...
References: <d12e5c90506232101661d3406@mail.gmail.com><1120525172.9280.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><d12e5c9050704185520ed524f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1120590525.10020.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Yoda_Oz.20ftcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm having the same problem...

here's what my output is when i type in glxinfo:

Code:
--------------------
    
  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
  
--------------------

and a whole lot of that just repeating itself..

am i missing something in my xorg.conf? what do i need to type in to
enable 3d acceleration. i have an nvidia card. below is my current
xorg.conf:

Code:
--------------------
    
  # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
  #
  # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
  # values from the debconf database.
  #
  # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
  # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
  #
  # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
  # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
  # package.
  #
  # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
  # again, run the following commands:
  #
  #   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
  #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
  #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
  
  Section "Files"
  	FontPath	"unix/:7100"			# local font server
  	# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
  	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
  # paths to defoma fonts
  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
  	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
  EndSection
  
  Section "Module"
  	Load	"GLcore"
  	Load	"i2c"
  	Load	"bitmap"
  	Load	"ddc"
  #	Load	"dri"
  	Load	"extmod"
  	Load	"freetype"
  #	Load	"glx"
  	Load	"int10"
  	Load	"type1"
  	Load	"vbe"
  EndSection
  
  Section "InputDevice"
  	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
  	Driver		"kbd"
  	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
  	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
  	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
  	Option		"XkbLayout"	"gb"
  EndSection
  
  Section "InputDevice"
  	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
  	Driver		"mouse"
  	Option		"CorePointer"
  	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
  	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
  	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
  	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
  EndSection
  Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"
  Driver          "synaptics"
  Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
  Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
  Option          "Protocol"              "auto-dev"
  Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
  	Option		"MaxTapTime"		"0"
  EndSection
  
  Section "Device"
  	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go 5200]"
  	Driver		"nvidia"
  	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
  EndSection
  
  Section "Monitor"
  	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
  	Option		"DPMS"
  	HorizSync	28-51
  	VertRefresh	43-60
  EndSection
  
  Section "Screen"
  	Identifier	"Default Screen"
  	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go 5200]"
  	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
  	DefaultDepth	16
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		1
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		4
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		8
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		15
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		16
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  	SubSection "Display"
  		Depth		24
  		Modes		"1024x768"
  	EndSubSection
  EndSection
  
  Section "ServerLayout"
  	Identifier	"Default Layout"
  	Screen		"Default Screen"
  	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
  	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
  	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
  EndSection
  
  Section "DRI"
  	Mode	0666
  EndSection
  
--------------------


cheers!


-- 
Yoda_Oz



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 10:42:06 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:42:06 +0000
Subject: installing RPM's
In-Reply-To: <Emerzen.20epja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <2f3206950512211043v43e0e20emd236ee5c22ee246f@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.s15eoxw9bu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<Emerzen.20eoly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Emerzen.20epja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512220242s13a99516h@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Sorry, here's where the most recent version of the Ubuntu guide is:
>
>
>
> http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu

Even more up-to-date: http://help.ubuntu.com

-Eamonn



From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Thu Dec 22 10:44:13 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:44:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Cannot access a samba share
Message-ID: <20051222104413.65514.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello there,

I instlled captive on a ubuntu hoary that contains a
samba share.
When I mount, using captive-ntfs, the partition that
contains the samba share, I can't access it any more.
The situation at present is as follows:
- prepmod command does not return any error
- I can't mount the captive-ntfs patition. "mount -t
captive-ntfs /dev/sda6 /samba_share" returns the
following:
        - mount.captive-ntfs: /dev/sda6 already
mounted
        - mount.captive-ntfs: according to mtab,
/dev/sda6 is mounted on /samba_share
        - mount.captive-ntfs: Use '-o force' to mount
the image notwithstanding.
- I use the "-o force" option (mount -o force -t
captive-ntfs /dev/sda6 /samba_share). It succeeds but
I can't access the network share any more!

Would you please have any idea about what is going
wrong?

Best regards


	

	
		
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From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 10:54:54 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:54:54 -0700
Subject: installing RPMs
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512220242s13a99516h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3206950512211043v43e0e20emd236ee5c22ee246f@mail.gmail.com>	<op.s15eoxw9bu3djh@localhost.localdomain>	<Emerzen.20eoly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<Emerzen.20epja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<e40e29dd0512220242s13a99516h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AA85FE.60906@angrykeyboarder.com>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> On 21/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, here's where the most recent version of the Ubuntu guide is:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu
> 
> Even more up-to-date: http://help.ubuntu.com
> 
> -Eamonn
> 

They both have much of the same information but they both also have a 
few unique items as well.   I use both.

-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 10:44:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:44:15 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
References: <loom.20051220T005755-689@post.gmane.org><200512211611.31939.theine@nordita.dk>
	<43A980B9.7870@ij.net> <200512220100.02705.theine@nordita.dk>
Message-ID: <psyguy92.20fu9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


There are different distros for a reason.  Each stems from a philosophy.
Part of this philosophy involves ease of use.  A long time ago I decided
I hated Macs.  They tried to do everything for me. Then Windows started
making these same assumptions about what it thought I wanted to do - it
was often wrong. Worse yet, there was no easy way to override/fix these
assumptions.



I am by no means a Linux expert, but I don't mind doing a bit of
poking. Ubuntu defaults to one tool one task. That is easy. Others
include every tool under the sun in the basic installation. That can be
confusing/complex. But I *do* like options/choices. This is where the
flexibility of Linux that we all like so much comes in to play.



Someone with enough knowledge and time can take Ubuntu and make it look
like Fedora by adding all of the extra software (and vice versa: Fedora
can use Synaptic just like Ubuntu can). They can take Linux From
Scratch, download rpm/deb tools, complie them, and do several other
god-awful complex things and make something that looks like Ubuntu. The
Ubuntu artwork can be downloaded and apt-get can be added in. My point
is, Linux is Linux. You can make any distro like any other distro with
enough time, knowledge and resolve. But why do that? Choose a distro
that is the most similar to what you would design and want.



No one wants exactly the same thing. The small details of a distro
can't be tailored to everyone. I don't like sudo, so I enabled root's
password. I also found it wierd/limiting that I couldn't even
-./configure; make; make install-, so I solved that by -apt-get install
build-essential-. For me, the ideal Ubuntu would ask for a root
password, and would enable gcc by default. But Ubuntu is aimed in part
at users who at least start out wanting to use synaptic and not the
CLI. This is deemed 'ease of use'. Although I was initially put off by
these things that, to me, were dumb limitations, I have come to
appreciate this ease of use that Ubuntu strives for in other areas.



In conclusion, I have never used Midnight Commander. Without any direct
knowledge of it, it seems that given the fact that gcc is not included
because it is assumed that many users wouldn't need it and that gcc is
not the general 'Ubuntu Way' to do things, that Midnight Commander
would fall into the same general category of being outside the general
targeted users of Ubuntu. If the lack of that program is the problem,
you could install it as I have installed gcc and enabled root. Of
course, if this is but one point on a laundry list of things that
generally irk you about (K)Ubuntu and it's feel, then it might make
sense to look for another distro. There are several for a reason. I'm
not sure that that is what you should do though; It seems that a lot of
your problems have been addressed already - and, IMHO, addressed well.
But that is not for me to decide. Pick the distro that is most similar
to your ideal. I believe I have.



psyguy


-- 
psyguy92



From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Thu Dec 22 11:04:31 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:04:31 -0700
Subject: Slow Printing on Brother HL-5050 -- More Memory?
In-Reply-To: <1135219340.16415.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135219340.16415.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43AA883F.8050503@angrykeyboarder.com>

Brian Puccio wrote:
> Anyone use this (or similar printers) and experience a slow down --
> minutes -- when printing anything with images? I note that I can upgrade
> the RAM from 16MB to 144MB, however, I'd rather not spend the money
> unless I knew that things would speed up. The machine that is acting as
> the printer server is plenty quick, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the
> bottleneck.
> 
> Thanks!

Are you using drivers from Brother?

http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 11:16:28 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:16:28 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <Gowator.20fv7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Scott Wrote: 
> 

> Ever tried Installing Knoppix and then installing a package from one of
> 

> the Debian repositories?  It can get tricky at times. Been there. Done
> that.

> Ubuntu is hardly the only Debian-based distro that has this "problem".
> 

> The same applies to RPM based distros as well.

> 

Knoppix is Knoppix.... its not really meant as an installable distro
even if its used that way by some.  RPM based distro's don't count
either because they don't have a real base.  Mandrivel is the bastard
son of RH ... but suse just uses RPM's and fsck from the real world
outside of Suse specific RPM's usually works unless its statically
linked and then only sometimes.  

> 

> 

> >  This

> > situation is similar to the way in which Gentoo sets up its binaries.
> 

> > The difference is that Gentoo doesn't claim to be part of the Debian
> 

> > community, whereas Ubuntu does.[/color]

> 

> I think Gentoo would be hard pressed to claim to be part of any 

> "community".  Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other distro
> 

> using portage.

> 



VidaLinux not to mention PENtoo et al....  but you are mising the point
I think.  

Gentoo IS a functioning community.  Ask support question on the Gentoo
forum and it will be answered by someone competent pretty quickly, ask
the same question here and most people won't even understand the
question!  

Im not talking rocket science ... say ask about a mail server and
chance is here someone will recommend kmail or evolution and notr even
realise the difference between a mail server and client (for instance) 
and a gentoo specific question concerneing portage would likely be
answered by a developer very quickly too.  



Ubuntu is a them, us and the others distro.  The developers (them) are
sacrosanct and even e.g. questioning the BS sudu policy of Ubuntu will
get a flame war and a thread locked.  Then there are 'the users'  ...
and finally the others are the Debian developers.  end of the day the
users are not in the same community as the developers or the debain
developers.  



> 

> If Ubuntu "worked with" Debian as you desire, I might have to wait
> three 

> years for the next stable release. 

Nope but you would need *real* developers in Ubuntu which are sadly
lacking.... there are plenty of hackers but few real developers from
what I can see and most of them spend their time modifying Gnome apps
to use gtk-sudo ...  *I'll get onto this.  *



The main problem is that they have their own libraries which are not
backwards compatible.  I'm not sure why you need or think you need the
latest version of xterm ... etc. because 90% of the code you run you
never see... sure the latest Gnome/KDE is nice but you can largely have
that at the same time as stable kernel versions etc.  



Can *you* list the advantages of the Ubuntu 2.6.12-9 kernel over the
current 2.6.14-4 at kernel.org or the Debian unstable 2.6.12-9 ?  Can
you explain what is in the Ubuntu kernel you need SO desperately.... ??




> No thanks. That's exactly why I chose Ubuntu. I has all the advantages
> of Debian, without most of the Disadvantages.  Really list them!  

Lets see:  Most or many of the Debian and Gentoo developers are
programmers and package for Debain as well.  Most Ubuntu 'developers'
seem to spend more time as hackers modifying packages to work on
Gentoo.  Fine they are needed too but not exclusively.  Ubuntu couldn't
exist without Debian.... (this will also be expanded) however what
really sucks about Debain and what keeps it back is lack of a proper
forum.  The community is distributed in the mailing lists and so its
inclusive/exclusive more than distro's with well organised forums. 
Unfortunately Ubuntu has inherited this problem too.  These forums are
the worst of any MAJOR distro.  The ratio of questions to answers and
noobies to guru's is astounding.  Gettign an answer to a real question
here is almost impossible unless you bump the post every day for a
month until someone who knows more than a complete noob finally sees
the post and even then you need to write in baby language ... you can't
just write the question succinctly like you could on the Gentoo forum. 






Random found on Gentoo Forum

"

Hi,



After some upgrades I get in amule:

Code:

$ amule


Code:
--------------------
    Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions detected.

  The library used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx containers,compatible with 2.4),

  and your program used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.4).

  Aborted

  
--------------------




Can someone tell me what's causing this? "



Can you imagine asking that succinctly and getting the answer here?  No
way.   You would find a similar answer on Debian mailing lists though
you would need to wait a week but here I doubt anyone who understands
the problem would see the post before it became unanswered post
#9999....  



> 

> Why should Ubuntu modify it's operation at this point? 

> They would be messing up a perfectly good thing.  That makes no sense.

> BTW, isn't Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva, Slackware, Gentoo, YOPER, Arch, 

> Vector, YellowDog, RedHat and countless others also duplicating
> efforts? 

> They all produce Linux distributions with much of the same software as
> 

> Debian too.

Non of those you mention use a Debian base.  



However many do....  



> 

> But they're there because the founders perceived a need (real or 

> imagined) and so they are. With a few exceptions most distros have
> roots 

> in either RedHat, Slackware or Debian.

> 



Yep and when RH fell out with KDE Mandrake split mainly to add KDE
support.  

Now we have RH, Fedora and Mandrivel...  and the world is not a much
better place for this.  Many of the RPM's used by Mandrake were
originally RH but they didn't keep compatibility.  



> 

> Ubuntu happens to be one of those in the Debian camp.  So, what's the 

> big deal?   If anything, Debian benefits from Ubuntu's contributions to
> 

> the community and vice-versa.

> Why people wish to make this into a big deal, that really isn't is 

> beyond me.

> 

I dunno, for me Debian has always been there (well since 1991) ! 
Perhaps you started some other time.  I haven't always used it but I
have benfited from it.  Looking back (I spent years on RH, then
Mandrake) I owe Debian more than just Debian because its like a thing
that supports the whole linux community.  So does Ubuntu but not in the
same way.  Debian and its social contract provide a steady base.  There
is no polarisation like Ubuntu towards Gnome (an enormous mistake in
the beginning - not Gnome the choice of one over the other)  

*I hardly ever use pure Debian but I am mighty glad its there!*  

This is the bottom line!  

> 

> Why worry? I don't care myself.  I sometimes wonder if Debian
> developers 

> aren't just jealous that Ubuntu can produce something in 6 months, when
> 

> it takes them three years to accomplish the same.   Maybe they feel 

> slighted that the stable distribution of Ubuntu has current or 

> reasonably current software, while their stable distro is old and
> tired.

> 

I doubt it most of them are real programmers with other things....  not
just distro hackers.  But why worry... because without Debain doing the
real stuff Ubuntu wouldn't exist.....  



> 

> > Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various
> 

> > Debian repositories than going off on its own.[/color]

> 

> Take a look at the changelogs on any Ubuntu package. You'll find most
> of 

> the notes in there are from people with email addresses ending in 

> "@debian.org".   It seems to me Ubuntu uses most of Debian's software.
> 

> They just improve upon it.

> 

In some cases they might improve it.... in many/most its just modifying
it to work with Ubuntu!  That is why it is a waste of effort.  improving
is one thing but this would then feed back into debain but Ubuntu are
not part of Debian so they cannot just backjport because said
improvement is built on some edited libs and these libs are not
necassariliy better just modified for compatibility with other Ubuntu
stuff.  the OP's point is that the mods would be better all round if
applied to Debian libs not modded Ubuntu libs...  



> You're hardly the first to give this warning, but again, I see it no 

> more as a threat to Debian than OpenSUSE is a "threat" to Fedora or KDE
> 

> is a "threat" to  GNOME.

> 

> If Debian can't cope with Ubuntu, it's nobody's fault but their own.

> 

> 



Ahhhh... got it... its about competition!  Right ... only the bnest
survives and all that "Capitalist" crap (with a capital C) that is
applied to commerce....  

If that is what you want then go with XP... or longhorn...  

Lets open up the market and perhaps Mark Suttleworth could pay Debian
developers to sabatage the Debian code ... and all sorts of good
commercial tactics... perhaps we can make a case for paying say Oracle
to develoip specifically against a libc in RedHat that would prevent it
running on RH?  



forgive me for thinking linux was not soley about the most competitive
business practive!


-- 
Gowator



From christoph.bier at web.de  Thu Dec 22 12:33:46 2005
From: christoph.bier at web.de (Christoph Bier)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:33:46 +0100
Subject: Another Unofficial UbuntuGuide?
In-Reply-To: <43AA26EF.8090703@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <e40e29dd0511050318w286f8f3s@mail.gmail.com>	<GooZ.1y119y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<348bd6da0511050649v39b18f5el63e55645da601de5@mail.gmail.com>	<436CF425.8060008@speakeasy.net>	<c7e21f4d0511051121o63b175a4pdaf508b14f462358@mail.gmail.com>	<20051105205044.2718f402.albi@scii.nl>	<348bd6da0511051256h67916281q70aedd2b54ab4b9a@mail.gmail.com>	<1131231109.5343.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<dkjgjj$19j$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<43AA26EF.8090703@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <doe6fb$5vl$1@sea.gmane.org>

Scott schrieb am 22.12.2005 05:09:

> Christoph Bier wrote:
> 
>>I hardly use menus to start applications just of an old habit but
>>also because you can't have /every/ application in your menu.
> 
> Sure you can.
> 
> sudo apt-get install menu

Maybe you can in theory. But would you really call gs, man, perl,
sed, grep ... via a menu? There are about 2500 binaries installed on
my machine. Practically it would be quite strange to put all of the
applications I use in a menu. Clicking through menus is IMO much
less convenient than using the shell with tab completion.

$ xpdf path/to/file.pdf

is easier and faster than clicking on an icon that starts xpdf and
than clicking through filesystem to file.pdf. And those applications
that are conveniently started by clicking on icons are placed in my
panel (Emacs, JabRef, xsane, bmp, Mozilla ...).

Just my 2 cents.

Best,
  Regards
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://www.zvisionwelt.de/typokurz.pdf (1.4)




From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 12:55:22 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:55:22 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512220455g2187f4a0q5a3386977ee6078@mail.gmail.com>

This is a great thread in the questions is raises, BUT IT REALLY
BELONGS ON SOUNDER. This has nothing to do with trouble-shooting or
discussing operational problems. It's philosophy!

Anywho, the angry keyboarder has some interesting points. I thought
I'd do some blatant plagiarism from the SABDFL (insert GNU Copyleft
licence here probably ;-).

Some interesting tit-for-tat from an old rocker and an angry
keyboarder that summarise the twists-and-turns of this thread
<groan>...

On 12/21/05, Scott <angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:
> Old Rocker wrote:
> > Since I started this thread, a number of people have contacted me off
> > list and basically asked:
> >
> > "Does it matter if Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a fork of Debian?" or "What do you
> > mean by a fork anyway?"

> > As most people have probably realised, it matters to me and I hope it
> > matters to the whole of our community.  The best explanation I have
> > been able to find is in the book "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source
> > Revolution" by Glyn Moody.  Although published first in 2001, the book
> > still stands up today.  Here is the quote:
> >
> > "Large-scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal
> > civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to
> > be avoided at all costs....

>  > However, Ubuntu/Kubuntu has its own
> > repositories and code base, which are close to Debian, but not
> > interchangeable with it.    Simply, you can't guarantee that Debian code
> > will run with Ubuntu, its has to be code recompiled for Ubuntu.
>
> Ubuntu is hardly the only Debian-based distro that has this "problem".
> The same applies to RPM based distros as well.

From <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth>, written by the SABDFL himself:

What about binary compatibility between distributions?

A lot has been said about the fact that Debian is not
binary-compatible with Ubuntu. Sometimes this manifests itself as "I
can't install Ubuntu packages on Debian", sometimes its more "Why does
Ubuntu use GCC 4 when Debian is using GCC 3.3?". Or "Why is the kernel
and glibc on Ubuntu 5.04 different from that in Debian Sarge?". I'll
try to address all of those here.

I'll start with our general policy and approach, and then examine some
of those examples in detail.

First, "binary compatibility" means different things to different
people. If you've followed the trials and tribulations of the LSB
standards process, you'll understand how difficult it is even to
*define* binary compatibility in a meaningful way across multiple
distributions. That, in essence, is why we don't set "binary
compatibility" as a goal for Ubuntu. Sometimes it happens, but if so,
it's because there was an opportunity to make something work nicely -
not because it's a hard goal. We take opportunities for binary
compatibility across distributions where we can find them, but we
don't constrain ourselves by making that an absolute requirement.

Just to be clear, I'll say it again, for the record. We don't aim for
"binary compatibility" with any other distribution. Why?

In short, because we believe in Free Software as a collaborative
process focused on SOURCE CODE, and consider it superior to the
proprietary process which is focused on specific applications and
binary bits. We choose to devote the large majority of our energy to
the improvement of the source code that is widely and freely
available, rather than trying to work on binary bits that cannot be
shared as widely. When we spend hours of time on a feature, we want
that work to be usable by as many other distributions as possible, so
we publish the source code in "real time" as we publish new versions
of the packages. We go to great lengths to make those patches widely
available, in an easy to find format, so that they will be useful to
upstreams, and other distributions. That benefits Debian, but it also
benefits Suse and Redhat, if any of them are willing to take the time
to study and apply the patches.

We synchronise our development with upstream, and with Debian, and
with other distributions such as Suse and Gentoo and Mandrake and Red
Hat, on a regular basis. We draw code from the latest upstream
projects (which might not even be in Debian, or in Red Hat, or
addressed in the LSB). We try to merge with Debian Unstable (a.k.a.
Sid) every six months. We have no control over the release processes
of other distributions, nor of upstream, so it would be impossible for
us to define in advance an API or ABI for each release. We are in the
hands of hundreds of other developers every time we freeze Ubuntu in
preparation for a new version. Even though the Ubuntu community is
substantial and growing rapidly, it is still tiny compared to the
total number of developers working on all the free software
applications that make up the distribution itself. Our job is to
package what is there, efficiently and cohesively, not to try to
massage it to some pre-defined state of compatibility. We focus on
delivering the newest-but-stabilised-and-polished versions of the best
open source applications for your server or desktop. If we were to set
binary compatibility (at any level) as a top priority, it would
massively diminish our ability to deliver either newer software, or
better integration and polish. And we think our users care most about
the fact that they are getting the best, and most integrated, apps on
the CD.

It is worth noting that the Linux kernel itself takes the same
approach, shunning "binary compatibility" in favour of a "custom
monolithic kernel". Each release of the kernel requires that it be
compiled separately from previous releases. Modules (drivers) need to
be recompiled with the new release, they cannot just be used in their
binary form. Linus has specifically stated that the monolithic kernel
- based on source code, not trying to maintain a binary interface for
drivers across releases - is better for the kernel. We believe the
same is true for the distribution.

So the imperative to work with very current code overrides the idea of
maintaining compatibility with a specific ABI, especially if we have
little or no say in the ABI we should be trying to remain compatible
with.

But, I heard that Ubuntu is LESS compatible than other similar projects?

If you've heard this specific allegation, it's absolutely not true.

If you touch or change the kernel, or x server or clients, or libc, or
compiler, you have effectively made yourself incompatible. And as far
as I am aware every significant distribution has, with good reason,
invested work in those components to ensure that they meet the needs
of their users. In the process, they make themselves "binary
incompatible". What makes open source work despite this, of course, is
the fact that source code and patches usually travel across distros,
which is why we focus our attention there, not on the binary bits.

Some people might say "but I installed a Linspire package on Ubuntu,
and it worked, so they must be compatible". And yes, in many cases a
binary package from Linspire or Debian will Just Work (TM) on Ubuntu.
But this is "accidental compatibility", not "certified binary
compatibility". Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV) is not the sort of
certainty most people would accept, and can hardly be called
"certified compatibility". Many packages have very simple
dependencies, and don't really require specific versions of system
libraries, and they may well Just Work. But if you look below the
hood, at some level or other, you will find binary incompatibility in
every significant derivative distribution, from Knoppix through
Linspire and the DCC, with Ubuntu being no different.

> > A fork duplicates effort (why should two set of people be developing
> > essentially the same software?) and holds back development (we should
> > be working together, not apart).
>
> If Ubuntu "worked with" Debian as you desire, I might have to wait three
> years for the next stable release. No thanks. That's exactly why I chose
> Ubuntu. I has all the advantages of Debian, without most of the
> Disadvantages.   Why should Ubuntu modify it's operation at this point?
> They would be messing up a perfectly good thing.  That makes no sense.
>
> BTW, isn't Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva, Slackware, Gentoo, YOPER, Arch,
> Vector, YellowDog, RedHat and countless others also duplicating efforts?
> They all produce Linux distributions with much of the same software as
> Debian too.

> Why people wish to make this into a big deal, that really isn't is
> beyond me.

> > Far better if Ubuntu could use the software developed in the various
> > Debian repositories than going off on its own.
>
> Take a look at the changelogs on any Ubuntu package. You'll find most of
> the notes in there are from people with email addresses ending in
> "@debian.org".   It seems to me Ubuntu uses most of Debian's software.
> They just improve upon it.

> If Debian can't cope with Ubuntu, it's nobody's fault but their own.

> BTW, this discussion really belongs on sounder and not ubuntu-users
> Scott

<chorus of angels> Amen!

> www.angrykeyboarder.com
> (c) 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved

Eric.

From stsykin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 13:28:21 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:28:21 +1100
Subject: installing RPM's
Message-ID: <43AAA9F5.5030003@optusnet.com.au>

Try alien -d [RPM package].rpm and then, dpkg -i [RPM package].deb.

But why did you want to do that, a better alternative is to compile from 
source using checkinstall. To do this first type:

sudo apt-get install checkinstall

Then download the source package, decompress it and type:

./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo checkinstall

and press enter every time it asks you something until you reach the 
end. Most of the time, this will creat an installable package. 
Sometimes, you need to do something extra, but this is rare.

This is almost always superior because convertinf from rpm to deb breaks 
the symlinks in a package, meaning that it might not work properly when 
installed without some serious repair work.

If you aren't so fussed about binary packages,then just use the 
./configure make sudo make install sequence. The package will work 
better, and it will be less work on your part.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 13:30:17 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:30:17 +1100
Subject: Transparency
Message-ID: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>

You can mak terminal windows transparent. Open a terminal. Then click 
Edit => Current Profile and select the effects tab. The last option is 
"transparent background". Select it and move the slider to select how 
transparent you want the window to be.



From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Thu Dec 22 13:41:42 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:41:42 +0100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
In-Reply-To: <20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
	<20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135258902.10066.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 15:39 +1100 schrieb David:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:11:19PM +1100, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
> > David wrote:
> > > Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
> > > Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
> > > silently queues all email. 
> > > 
> > > /var/log/mail.err says:
> > > Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
> > > /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp
> > > 
> > > /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> > > 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > 
> > > /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> > > myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> > > 
> > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> > > test
> > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > search kenpro.com.au
> > > 
> > > I have no idea where the line 
> > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
> > > all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> > > 
> > > Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?
> > 
> > You disabled ipv6 support :-)
> > 
> > ::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:
> > 
> > "::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
> > 
> > in /etc/hosts?
> > 
> > By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
> > and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a safe solution.
> ___________________________________
> david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hosts
> <snip>
> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> # (added automatically by netbase upgrade)
> 
> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
> __________________________________
> 
> I'm curious how this would have come about. I'm happy to leave ipv6 
> disabled but does this constitute a bug? given that all I did was 
> hoary->breezy upgrade.
> 
> What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?
> 
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> David.
> 
does '/etc/modprobe.d/aliases' contain a line like
	alias net-pf-10 ipv6
or does it say
	alias net-pf-10 off

?

ulrich

-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 13:55:46 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg B.)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:55:46 +1100
Subject: Dual head setup
Message-ID: <1135259747.8150.4.camel@showof>

Thank you all, replies were very helpful. Few hours and one fried
motherboard later I have a dual head system setup. Veryyyyyyy nice.




From funkytwig at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 14:00:26 2005
From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:00:26 +0000
Subject: Anyone got mythtv working with nova-t dvb card yet?
In-Reply-To: <mattybain.20dzly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <32b873ff0512010709j3d0ce2cbk@mail.gmail.com>
	<mattybain.20dzly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <32b873ff0512220600s5c2d2d00p@mail.gmail.com>

Strangely enough it is Garry, the person who wrote the guide, who was
one of the other people who could not get it working.  It is the
scanning of the channels that is causing the problem.  If he copied
his database from his debian box it worked OK.  What is the date of
the package, it may of been upgraded.

Ben

On 21/12/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I have, it is the new connexant type and I simply followed the
> instructions on this site http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php it
> just so happens this he has exactly the same set up as me.
>
>
>
> Only hassle is the remote control which I can't get the arrow keys
> working, other than that it is looking sweet
>
>
>
> See my other thread for the issues I have with the card
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=106279&highlight=nova-t
>
>
> --
> mattybain
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


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From carlosescutia at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 14:32:19 2005
From: carlosescutia at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Escutia_Ch=E1vez?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:32:19 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <3f1760512220212x105967es@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1134941072.7804.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43A5EE6F.1000305@digitalanswers.biz>
	<200512191023.24827.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>
	<77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135015274.6778.183.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220032010.GB1090@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135053755.6778.300.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212145j3fe9adf6y@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760512220212x105967es@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f98362610512220632l5559fa15r@mail.gmail.com>

Oh please, if you are going to discuss, could it be with objective
arguments, instead of tabloid-like headers?

e.g.

"I'm working, you are playing"
--------------------------------------------------------
Do these people actually do real work on Linux systems?
Those of us really using Ubuntu
--------------------------------------------------------

few months, months, hundreds of years! lose everything! world is gone!
--------------------------------------------------------
lose a few months work before finding out that critical emails are being
callously destroyed.
will lose months of work because the warning messages
That's hundreds of man-years - lifetimes of work - lost
That's no reason to cause hundreds of man years of effort to be lost
People will lose their creations, their work.  You will lose karma.
can't afford to lose our documents, architectural drawings, newspapers,
musical compositions, accounts receivable, recipes, personal check register,
pictures of the grandkids, programming projects, etc.
breaking thousands of as yet unimagined applications.
--------------------------------------------------------

"Your arguments are not valid. They are dogma"
--------------------------------------------------------
deliberately discarded by religious zealots who don't believe that newbies
should see such system emails.
freedom from religious bigots who insist that system emails be suppressed
--------------------------------------------------------

"Developers are a pile of morons"
--------------------------------------------------------
Just stop breaking things you don't understand.  OK?
some mid-level PHB at Canonical didn't understand system emails.
Hopefully, though, this dumbing down is all a mistake by some mid-level PHB
and will be fixed when Canonical's brains are back online.
These little Canonical cabals of three or four people who say "well I don't
know why anyone would want to do that, let's chuck it out" are seriously
hurting
Oh, and before I forget, what else did you break in Breezy that we haven't
even noticed yet?
--------------------------------------------------------

and my favorite: "Mark, you're in big trouble!"
--------------------------------------------------------
There are all kinds of legal liabilities there that Canonical isn't going to
be able to disclaim, even for a free-as-in-beer product.
--------------------------------------------------------


2005/12/22, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com>:
>
> I think Mikes mothers name is 'mta'. Either that or there's some other
> reason he's getting personally offended.
>
> On 22/12/05, Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> > > Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.
> > >
> >
> >  I'm curious: are vituperative rants and personal attacks the norm for
> this
> > mailing list?  If so, perhaps I should reconsider my subscription.
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
> http://number9.hellooperator.net/
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 14:39:34 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:39:34 -0500
Subject: Wanting to run Linux on laptop (Newbie stuff)
In-Reply-To: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>
References: <20051222091555.os86wkins0k0k8oc@webmail.crump.id.au>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512220639k45269fd3g171bf5a73d619aa2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, ron at crump.id.au <ron at crump.id.au> wrote:
>
> Anyway, in the new year I hope to get my hands on a Toshiba TE2100
> laptop that is being made redundant at my wife's employer. I would
> like to use this as an opportunity to get more familiar with linux
> and have a machine I can do some of my linux-based work on at home.


...

Any comments, including pooh-poohing the idea altogether if you think
> a laptop is not a good place to start or you have some experience of
> the TE2100 with linux, appreciated.
>

>From Googling around, it appears that most Linux distros available in 2002
worked fine on that laptop.

Things that came up as potential problems were:  software modem (sometimes
calle "winmodem"), infrared, and video resolution.  If Ubuntu doesn't let
you go over 800x600, look at these:

http://www.sibern.com.au/laptop/te2100/

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=1772655

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From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 22 14:48:03 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:48:03 -0600
Subject: GL screen savers don't start anymore...
In-Reply-To: <Yoda_Oz.20ftcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d12e5c90506232101661d3406@mail.gmail.com>
	<1120525172.9280.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:25:01 -0500
'Forum Post
<ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote:

> I'm having the same problem...
> 
> here's what my output is when i type in glxinfo:
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     
>   extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
>   
<snip>

>   Section "Module"
>   	Load	"GLcore"
>   	Load	"i2c"
>   	Load	"bitmap"
>   	Load	"ddc"
>   #	Load	"dri"
>   	Load	"extmod"
>   	Load	"freetype"
>   #	Load	"glx"

In the line above you have disabled glx.  Perhaps that's the problem.

>   	Load	"int10"
>   	Load	"type1"
>   	Load	"vbe"

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
"Well, let's just say, 'if your VCR is still blinking 12:00, you don't
want Linux'".
		Bruce Perens



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 22 14:55:51 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:55:51 -0600
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512220237m1d06381m5c2bcdef73c6d879@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:37:45 +0100
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:

> There has been an upsurge in crank postings on this list in the last
> week, and if I pull on the tin-foil hat for a second, it almost smells
> like a half-arsed co-ordinated slander attack against Ubuntu, what
> with the complaints about mta's, the use of sudo and
> non-100%s-package-compatibility with Debian.

I think it's more a matter of perception and/among new users.  As you
know, other distros /do/ use a root account, not sudo, so sudo is new
and different for those coming from another Linux.  Same/same for the
lack of an MTA. (which, BTW, is only supposed to send mail within your
own box, not out to another email account).

Now, the 100% compatibility thing /does/ look like trolling to me, too,
but may be just confusion.

All in all the 'problems' of the past week are pretty tame compared to
some other lists I have used in the past.  KUDOS to the humanity of
this Ubuntu community!  But we could still do with a little explanation
from those In The Know about the MTA thing, I think.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered Linux user # 126326



From pupeno at pupeno.com  Thu Dec 22 15:29:20 2005
From: pupeno at pupeno.com (Pupeno)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:29:20 -0300
Subject: Newer Linux for Breezy
Message-ID: <200512221229.25519.pupeno@pupeno.com>

Is there any package out there that contains a newer Linux for Breezy ? I am 
interested in getting any post 2.6.13 that contains the low-latency scheduler 
compiled in. This is for a box that is going to serve as a kind of musical 
study.
If not, I'll consider backporting Dapper's Linux, do you know what scheduler 
is compiled there ?
The other solution is to use Demudi[1]'s repository, but I don't like the idea 
of mixing a Debian repository with an Ubuntu box, for me, it is asking for 
trouble.
Thanks.
-- 
Pupeno <pupeno at pupeno.com> (http://pupeno.com)

[1] http://demudi.agnula.org/
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 15:35:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:35:02 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<77520bee0512220455g2187f4a0q5a3386977ee6078@mail.gmail.com>
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Eric Dunbar Wrote: 
> This is a great thread in the questions is raises, BUT IT REALLY

> BELONGS ON SOUNDER. This has nothing to do with trouble-shooting or

> discussing operational problems. It's philosophy!

> 

> ....

> Eric.

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

Good points ...



However I think 

> Just to be clear, I'll say it again, for the record. We don't aim for

> "binary compatibility" with any other distribution.

Is not what we are talking about.... even deb-src compatibility ?



However the main thrust is 100% compatibility is not possible therefore
to avoid YMMV no compatibility is attempted.  



This doesn't *need* to be the case.  

Kanotix has a single developer and maintains 99.99%+ binary
compatibility with the unstable tree.  Kano does this alone
specifically (I beleive) because of the compatibility probs from a
knopix HD install.  It is not beyond the realms of possibility that
Ubuntu with hundreds of devs could achieve half of what Jurgen achives
alone!  It is a matter of perference and that is all.  Jurgen set out
to make it compatible ... Ubuntu set out not to attempt compatibility. 








> It is worth noting that the Linux kernel itself takes the same

> approach, shunning "binary compatibility" in favour of a "custom

> monolithic kernel". Each release of the kernel requires that it be

> compiled separately from previous releases. Modules (drivers) need to

> be recompiled *with* the new release, they cannot just be used in
> their

> binary form. Linus has specifically stated that the monolithic kernel

> - based on source code, not trying to maintain a binary interface for

> drivers across releases - is better for the kernel. We believe the

> same is true for the distribution.



Is simply untrue since 2.6.  (emphasis mine) sorry that is just a
justification. Only the kernel headers are needed to compile kernel
loadable modules and they can be compiled seperately to the kernel.


-- 
Gowator



From taeb at netins.net  Thu Dec 22 15:50:03 2005
From: taeb at netins.net (taeb)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:50:03 -0600
Subject: ubuntu on homebuilt box
In-Reply-To: <43A7EFF6.6090005@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43A7EFF6.6090005@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051222155002.GA29908@netins.net>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:50:14PM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Check with your vendor about the BIOS update thing. I don't know of any 
> vendor which offers BIOS update software for linux but many offer 
> updates via floppy or CD on boot, eliminating the problem. You just 
> download the update, load it onto the disk, and reboot.

Thanks, Sasha.  I'd seen someone suggest they had to have Windows around
to do BIOS updates.  Apparently it's not a problem.


> 
> Most optical drives will work with Ubuntu (I've never heard of any which 
> didn't) so you're probably safe no matter what you choose. Xandros is 
> completely different.

I've found some other refs supporting this.  I've decided to stick with my
original configuration.

Thanks for the help, Sasha.

tonyB



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:51:03 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:51:03 +0200
Subject: Samba bug
Message-ID: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I managed to use samba to connect to my other windows xp computer. When
I saw my shares from the xp box I opened one of them which was supposed
to contain some video files. To my surprise it contained those video
files and my entire home folder!

Now, after running the network setup on windows again, I can't access my
shares from the xp box again. Oh well...

Accessing the xp box from the ubuntu one never worked. Nor accessing the
ubuntu box from the xp box but while running from the ubuntu livecd.
Samba usernames were set.

Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?




From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:51:11 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:51:11 +0100
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <Gowator.20g78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<77520bee0512220455g2187f4a0q5a3386977ee6078@mail.gmail.com>
	<Gowator.20g78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512220751pedacbfbi525e71c605951dd6@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> However I think
> > Just to be clear, I'll say it again, for the record. We don't aim for
> > "binary compatibility" with any other distribution.
> Is not what we are talking about.... even deb-src compatibility ?

*binary* compatibility.. *binary*.. think about it..

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From cgrigs at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 15:55:47 2005
From: cgrigs at earthlink.net (Carroll Grigsby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:55:47 -0500
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <20051222085551.399369ba@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>	<515e525f0512220237m1d06381m5c2bcdef73c6d879@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051222085551.399369ba@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43AACC83.4070702@earthlink.net>

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:


 >>> snip

> All in all the 'problems' of the past week are pretty tame compared to
> some other lists I have used in the past.  KUDOS to the humanity of
> this Ubuntu community!  But we could still do with a little explanation
> from those In The Know about the MTA thing, I think.
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

Cybe:
Up until now, I thought that MTA referred to the Boston subway system as 
popularized in the late 1950's in a Kingston Trio song (google kingston 
trio mta for the whole story). Live and learn.

-- cmg



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 22 16:07:24 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:07:24 -0600
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <20051222085551.399369ba@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0512220237m1d06381m5c2bcdef73c6d879@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051222085551.399369ba@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051222100724.4ba165cd@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:55:51 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cyber_wizard at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I think it's more a matter of perception and/among new users.  As you
> know, other distros /do/ use a root account, not sudo, so sudo is new
> and different for those coming from another Linux.  Same/same for the
> lack of an MTA. (which, BTW, is only supposed to send mail within your
> own box, not out to another email account).         ^
                                                      |
System mail, not just mail, of course.-----------------

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind 
them having a bad operating system. 
		Linus Torvalds
			Winduhs



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 22 16:12:52 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:12:52 -0600
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <43AACC83.4070702@earthlink.net>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<e40e29dd0512220215g1cade390n@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0512220237m1d06381m5c2bcdef73c6d879@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051222085551.399369ba@localhost.localdomain>
	<43AACC83.4070702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051222101252.1647b0d4@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:55:47 -0500
Carroll Grigsby <cgrigs at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Cybe:
> Up until now, I thought that MTA referred to the Boston subway system
> as 
> popularized in the late 1950's in a Kingston Trio song (google
> kingston 
> trio mta for the whole story). Live and learn.
> 
> -- cmg

<BSEG>  I remember it when it was new.  Thanks for jogging that memory!

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all
learned. 
	Bruce Ediger



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:33:31 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:33:31 +0000
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?

No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
about it's networking, which means the developers have to
painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
(with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?

-Eamonn



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 16:33:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:33:36 -0500
Subject: Hamachi
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com><MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512220047j78d83d7dybd278494a1b7bec7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Danielle.20ga0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


here are some podcasts about it. if you don't like Steve Gibson don't
bother listening :rolleyes: 

this first one is only about Hamachi

http://aolradio.podcast.aol.com/sn/SN-018.mp3



this one is about > Leo and I wrap up our multi-week, in-depth coverage of PC VPN solutions
> by discussing some aftermath of the zero-configuration Hamachi system;
> introducing "iPig," a very appealing new zero-configuration VPN
> contender; and describing the many faces of OpenVPN, the "Swiss army
> knife" of VPN solutions.

http://tinyurl.com/7llby



i haven't listened to either of them.


-- 
Danielle



From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:51:00 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:51:00 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <ee970b290512220851o4f08b691x@mail.gmail.com>

>
> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 22:07, Michael Richter wrote:
> > Arguably the largest ISP in the world (and very certainly in the top
> > ten) -- China Netcom -- doesn't provide native ISP email at all.
> > Almost all of its subscribers interact by email solely through
> > webmail.  Conclusion?  Your experiences in owning a "small ISP" don't
> > mean a damned thing.
>
> If you mean to imply that China Netcom blocks port 25, what
> relevance does that have to local delivery of system messages?
>

You said, based on your self-vaunted experience owning a "small ISP" that
most people don't use webmail.  I pointed out that one of the single largest
ISPs in the world has the overwhelming majority of its users relying on
webmail.  My point should have been obvious.  (Hint: the words "you are
wrong" feature prominently in the point.)
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From zamb at saudi.net.sa  Thu Dec 22 16:54:35 2005
From: zamb at saudi.net.sa (ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:54:35 +0300
Subject: GL screen savers don't start anymore...
In-Reply-To: <Yoda_Oz.20ftcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <d12e5c90506232101661d3406@mail.gmail.com>
	<1120525172.9280.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<d12e5c9050704185520ed524f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1120590525.10020.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Yoda_Oz.20ftcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1135270475.11638.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 05:25 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> I'm having the same problem...
> 
> here's what my output is when i type in glxinfo:
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     
>   extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
>   
> --------------------
> 
> and a whole lot of that just repeating itself..
> 
> am i missing something in my xorg.conf? what do i need to type in to
> enable 3d acceleration. i have an nvidia card. below is my current
> xorg.conf:
> 
> Code:
 <snip>
>   Section "Module"
>         Load    "GLcore"
Comment the above line.  It's not needed anymore with NVIDIA driver.
Change that to:
   #    Load    "GLcore"

>         Load    "i2c"
>         Load    "bitmap"
>         Load    "ddc"
>   #     Load    "dri"
>         Load    "extmod"
>         Load    "freetype"
>   #     Load    "glx"
  ^^^
This is wrong!  Make sure the “Load  "glx"” is *not* commented-out.
Change it to:
        Load    "glx"

>         Load    "int10"
>         Load    "type1"
>         Load    "vbe"
>   EndSection
 <snip>
> 
> cheers!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Yoda_Oz
> 

Also, is the "nvidia" kernel module loaded?  Try "/sbin/lsmod | grep
nvidia" and see if it's there.

<http://wiki.ubuntu.com> is a *great* please for help, tips and tricks.
Ziyad.




From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:53:48 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:23:48 +0330
Subject: Breezy FAQ guide - RealPlayer 10
In-Reply-To: <1135154171.8737.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135154171.8737.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512220853l6e621db7i9f74e8eb367584b9@mail.gmail.com>

The easy way for installinh realplayer is :
Add the plf repositories then:
sudo apt-get install realplay


On 12/21/05, Milo Casagrande <milo_casagrande at yahoo.it> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I'm new to this list.
> I'm writing here after a mail sent to me from a user. He was trying to
> install RealPlayer10 following the FAQ guide, I'm one of the Italian
> translators of the guide that's why he wrote me.
> Following the steps he ran in an error:
> "/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries:
> libstdc++.so.5:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory",
> the need of libstdc5++.
> What he asked me, and what I'm asking you, is if it's possible to insert
> inside the FAQ this problem and the solution for it.
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> --
> Milo Casagrande  <milo_casagrande at yahoo.it>
> FSF Member #3788 <www.fsf.org>
>
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> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
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>


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 17:36:40 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:36:40 -0500
Subject: Anyone got mythtv working with nova-t dvb card yet?
References: <32b873ff0512010709j3d0ce2cbk@mail.gmail.com><mattybain.20dzly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<32b873ff0512220600s5c2d2d00p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mattybain.20gcsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yes it was a problem but found if I entered the details of a known
transponder with the frequency and all the other settings from this
command 



sudo scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill >
/root/.tzap/channels.conf 



manually into the screen you get to after pressing scan for channels it
worked. It then goes onto all the other transponders and picks up all
the channels.



It worked for me anyway :p 



I have e-mailled Garry to see how he got his remote to work but he is
on holiday until the 2nd.


-- 
mattybain



From shot at hot.pl  Thu Dec 22 17:42:11 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:42:11 +0100
Subject: Newer Linux for Breezy
In-Reply-To: <200512221229.25519.pupeno@pupeno.com>
References: <200512221229.25519.pupeno@pupeno.com>
Message-ID: <20051222174211.GM8831@chastell.shot.pl>

Hello.

Pupeno:

> The other solution is to use Demudi[1]'s repository, but I don't like
> the idea of mixing a Debian repository with an Ubuntu box, for me, it
> is asking for trouble.

I don't know a bit about low-latency kernels and the like, but
http://www.google.com/search?q=demudi%20ubuntu suggests mixing
Ubuntu and DeMuDi is a viable route.

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
    You are trapped in a maze of screens and ssh sessions all alike. It is
    dark, and you are likely to log off the wrong account.    -- Nep., asr
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From monotux at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 17:48:24 2005
From: monotux at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:48:24 +0100
Subject: Newer Linux for Breezy
In-Reply-To: <200512221229.25519.pupeno@pupeno.com>
References: <200512221229.25519.pupeno@pupeno.com>
Message-ID: <20051222184824.3363153b.monotux@gmail.com>

You can always compile a kernel yourself - it's not very hard.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto

Oscar

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:29:20 -0300
Pupeno <pupeno at pupeno.com> wrote:

> Is there any package out there that contains a newer Linux for Breezy ? I am 
> interested in getting any post 2.6.13 that contains the low-latency scheduler 
> compiled in. This is for a box that is going to serve as a kind of musical 
> study.
> If not, I'll consider backporting Dapper's Linux, do you know what scheduler 
> is compiled there ?
> The other solution is to use Demudi[1]'s repository, but I don't like the idea 
> of mixing a Debian repository with an Ubuntu box, for me, it is asking for 
> trouble.
> Thanks.
> -- 
> Pupeno <pupeno at pupeno.com> (http://pupeno.com)
> 
> [1] http://demudi.agnula.org/
> 
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 17:52:16 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:52:16 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 01:07, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> That you don't need the MTA and that a dbus (or similar) solution with
> pop-up boxes are much more likely to work in a majority of cases.

Anders,

Would you please post a list of the applications that need to
be updated to send alerts via dbus instead of email.

Thanks,

--Mike Bird




From girishvnair at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 18:01:33 2005
From: girishvnair at gmail.com (girish nair)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:31:33 +0530
Subject: media players for ubuntu
Message-ID: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>

hi all
where will i get the source code of xmms ,mplayer,xine player
for ubuntu
can anyone mail me the link
--
Girish V.Nair
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From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Thu Dec 22 18:22:36 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:22:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Single user mode
Message-ID: <20051222182236.2545.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi,

How may I please access single user mode while booting
a ubuntu hoary box?

Thank you


	

	
		
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From jonrue at start.no  Thu Dec 22 18:29:28 2005
From: jonrue at start.no (Jon Gunnar Rue)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:29:28 +0100
Subject: media players for ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135276169.16295.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:31 +0530, girish nair wrote:
> 
> hi all
> where will i get the source code of xmms ,mplayer,xine player 
> for ubuntu 
> can anyone mail me the link
> -- 
> Girish V.Nair 

apt-get source xmms 


-- 
Jon Gunnar Rue <jonrue at start.no>




From bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr  Thu Dec 22 18:38:58 2005
From: bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr (Bahya NASSR EDDINE)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:38:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Single user mode
In-Reply-To: <20051222182236.2545.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051222183858.50567.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I found that init runlevel 1 is for single user.

Thank you

--- Bahya NASSR EDDINE <bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr> a écrit
:

> Hi,
> 
> How may I please access single user mode while
> booting
> a ubuntu hoary box?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 		
>
___________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo!
> Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour
> appeler la France et l'international.
> Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 



	

	
		
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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec 22 18:49:14 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:49:14 +0100
Subject: media players for ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135277354.5781.3.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:31 +0530, girish nair wrote:
> hi all
> where will i get the source code of xmms ,mplayer,xine player 
> for ubuntu 
> can anyone mail me the link


The command (type it in a terminal) to get the source code of a package,
is:

apt-get source <package-name>

For example if you type "apt-get source xmms", it will download the
source code of xmms and put it in the current directory. Just tried it,
works fine ;-)


--
Vince




From Thomas.Karnes at hp.com  Thu Dec 22 18:59:18 2005
From: Thomas.Karnes at hp.com (Thomas Karnes)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:59:18 -0600
Subject: Single user mode
In-Reply-To: <20051222183858.50567.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051222183858.50567.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135277958.7686.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Correct. But the request was how to "boot single". From the grub prompt
you will need to edit the kernel line and add "single" at the end of the
line.

Tom

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 19:38 +0100, Bahya NASSR EDDINE wrote:
> I found that init runlevel 1 is for single user.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> --- Bahya NASSR EDDINE <bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr> a écrit
> :
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > How may I please access single user mode while
> > booting
> > a ubuntu hoary box?
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > 
> > 	
> > 
> > 	
> > 		
> >
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> > 
> > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo!
> > Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour
> > appeler la France et l'international.
> > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com
> > 
> > -- 
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 		
> ___________________________________________________________________________ 
> Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.
> Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com
> 




From c.peterman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 19:03:16 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:03:16 -0500
Subject: media players for ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1135277354.5781.3.camel@localhost>
References: <2f3206950512221001n37b43cb0k6cc50ed7b8d0197f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135277354.5781.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1135278196.24586.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Why would you want the source code? You don't have to compile them

sudo apt-get install xmms xine-ui mplayer-686

~ Chris Peterman

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 19:49 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:31 +0530, girish nair wrote:
> > hi all
> > where will i get the source code of xmms ,mplayer,xine player 
> > for ubuntu 
> > can anyone mail me the link
> 
> 
> The command (type it in a terminal) to get the source code of a package,
> is:
> 
> apt-get source <package-name>
> 
> For example if you type "apt-get source xmms", it will download the
> source code of xmms and put it in the current directory. Just tried it,
> works fine ;-)
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 
> 
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec 22 19:09:24 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:09:24 -0600
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
Message-ID: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>

12222005 1250 GMT-5

Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that 
have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] 
[/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE] 
[QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?  

This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done, 
if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly 
appreciate it..

Wade



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 19:10:12 2005
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:10:12 -0500
Subject: Cannot access a samba share
In-Reply-To: <20051222104413.65514.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051222104413.65514.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0512221110o540232b5t8485e46a6d2d767b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Bahya NASSR EDDINE <bahya_nassr at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> I instlled captive on a ubuntu hoary that contains a
> samba share.
> When I mount, using captive-ntfs, the partition that
> contains the samba share, I can't access it any more.
>

Hello,

I must be missing something, but why would you mount a samba share with
captive-ntfs?

I usually use smbfs as the file type for a samba share.

--
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
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From mjewell at openmissoula.org  Thu Dec 22 19:12:53 2005
From: mjewell at openmissoula.org (mjewell)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:12:53 -0700
Subject: hp laserjet 1200
In-Reply-To: <43A7EDC8.6030704@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43A7EDC8.6030704@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135278773.8203.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:40 +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> Have you used the HPLIP drivers or the ones which came with Ubuntu. If 
> you're using the standard ones,then change to the HPLIP drivers. You can 
> get them from hpinkjet.sourceforge.net
> 
> 
THANK YOU!  It sounds like I am using the wrong driver.  I haven't
changed drivers before using Ubuntu.  Are there instructions for getting
the package from Sourcefourge and installing it automatically or does it
need to be done from a terminal?




From mrmazda at ij.net  Thu Dec 22 19:27:02 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:27:02 -0500
Subject: Single user mode
References: <20051222183858.50567.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<1135277958.7686.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43AAFE06.EB4@ij.net>

Thomas Karnes wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 19:38 +0100, Bahya NASSR EDDINE wrote:

> > > How may I please access single user mode while booting
> > > a ubuntu hoary box?

> > I found that init runlevel 1 is for single user.

> Correct. But the request was how to "boot single". From the grub prompt
> you will need to edit the kernel line and add "single" at the end of the
> line.

Or just "1". All you're telling the kernel is the runlevel number.
Single is just a longer way to type 1.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From paxer at nyware.de  Thu Dec 22 19:37:05 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:37:05 +0100
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43AB0061.5030504@nyware.de>

Wade Smart schrieb:

> 12222005 1250 GMT-5
>
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents 
> that have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or 
> [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - 
> maybe 8 to 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the 
> [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file? 
> This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done, 
> if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly 
> appreciate it..
>
> Wade
>
I think awp should do that job. There are a lot of tutorials out there. 
Just google :)

Philip



From henkpm at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 19:38:38 2005
From: henkpm at gmail.com (Henk Postma)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:38:38 -0800
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
Message-ID: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I want to experiment a little with directory monitoring with inotify. For
those interested, read here:
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-inotify.html

I am looking for /dev/inotify. I downloaded the sources for 'linux-source'
according to the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto

And I copied over the old config from /boot to /usr/src/linux. Now when I
make menuconfig, Inotify is already enabled, so why bother compiling, right?


Now where is the /dev/inotify? I understand it does not automatically get
created all the time. So I follow the instructions, and it tells me to run

dmesg | grep notify

and it also doesn't give me anything.

Where is inotify?

This happens both on breezy as well as dapper.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Henk Postma

--
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~postma/
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 22 19:29:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:29:04 -0500
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <Swab.20gicn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Wade Smart Wrote: 
> 12222005 1250 GMT-5
> 
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents
> that 
> have sentences inside > > >  and sometimes > > > > >  > > > > > > >  or . I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
> > > > 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  or  to a new file?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done, 
> > > > > > if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly 
> > > > > > appreciate it..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Wade
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > > > > ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> > > > > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You could write some sort of script to do this for you...
> > > > > maybe in python? It would take a little learning on your
> > > > > part.


-- 
Swab



From hometoast at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 19:51:30 2005
From: hometoast at gmail.com (hometoast)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:51:30 -0500
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AB0061.5030504@nyware.de>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com> <43AB0061.5030504@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <cb39d0990512221151v79edc76oac06e5798289ce15@mail.gmail.com>

well I would recommend AWK of awp (what's awp?).  But yes, awk is perfecet
for this job. But it wouldn't be a trivial task to write the script. good
luck.

On 12/22/05, Philip Axer <paxer at nyware.de> wrote:
>
> Wade Smart schrieb:
>
> > 12222005 1250 GMT-5
> >
> > Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents
> > that have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or
> > [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has -
> > maybe 8 to 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the
> > [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?
> > This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done,
> > if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly
> > appreciate it..
> >
> > Wade
> >
> I think awp should do that job. There are a lot of tutorials out there.
> Just google :)
>
> Philip
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Dec 22 19:28:54 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:28:54 -0400
Subject: Samba bug
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:

> On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?
> 
> No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
> issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
> about it's networking, which means the developers have to
> painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
> (with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?

It's pretty easy in KDE and I recall it being not too difficult previously
with SWAT, so where's the problem?
-- 
derek




From minxmertzmomo at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:41:30 2005
From: minxmertzmomo at gmail.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:41:30 -0500
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <fa37e76f0512221241o35e5e6fal60df1d6772be3b34@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:
> 12222005 1250 GMT-5
>
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that
> have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE]
> [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to
> 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE]
> [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?
>
> This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done,
> if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly
> appreciate it..

I recommend two O'Reilly books: "Sed and Awk" and "Mastering Regular
Expressions." They have what you need to know.



From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:45:49 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:45:49 +0000
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
	<mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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On 22/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
>
> > On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?
> >
> > No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
> > issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
> > about it's networking, which means the developers have to
> > painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
> > (with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?
>
> It's pretty easy in KDE and I recall it being not too difficult previously
> with SWAT, so where's the problem?

Samba to Samba is easy, Samba to Windows in share mode is easy, Samba
to Mac is easy, but Samba to Windows XP just mysteriously fails now
and again, especially if you're unlucky. You have to fiddle with some
obscure items in the smb.conf. It happens. I'm just suggesting we take
a look. Is that acceptable? I'm not attacking Samba.

-Eamonn



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 20:47:05 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:47:05 -0800
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 11:09, Wade Smart wrote:
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that 
> have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] 
> [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
> 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE] 
> [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?  

sed can probably do that, if the documents are text format rather
than some word-processing format and depending upon line breaks
and depending upon how you want the quotes to appear in the new
file.

There may also be an approach of converting the square brackets
to angles and then using an XML tool.

Why don't you post a small sample input file that covers all the
relevant cases, together with how the output file should appear?

--Mike Bird




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 20:52:36 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:52:36 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
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Message-ID: <1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> Rank	Distribution	Hits Per Day
> 1	Ubuntu	2739
> 2	SUSE	1891
> 3	Mandriva	1801
> 4	Fedora	1030

Eric,

Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
not actually running Ubuntu yet.

It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.

I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
-brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
(To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)

  PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
  Linux                0.13%
  Macintosh            3.08%
  SunOS                0.01%
  Other               96.78%


  PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
  Debian                3.7%
  Fedora                0.1%
  Mandrake              0.0%
  Mandriva              2.2%
  Redhat                0.0%
  SUSE                  0.2%
  Ubuntu                5.7%
  Anonymous            88.4%

It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.

I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
Firefox or Konqueror:

  PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
  Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
  Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
  SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
  Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
  Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
  Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%

>From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.

As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
them.

--Mike Bird




From senectus at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:53:10 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:53:10 +0800
Subject: Hamachi
In-Reply-To: <Danielle.20ga0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>
	<MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512220047j78d83d7dybd278494a1b7bec7@mail.gmail.com>
	<Danielle.20ga0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On 12/23/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> here are some podcasts about it. if you don't like Steve Gibson don't
> bother listening :rolleyes:

thanks.. heh I grit my teeth everytime I read that guy's drivel so I
can't imagine what a pain it would be to listen to him :-P

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From rob at steinmetznet.com  Thu Dec 22 20:56:06 2005
From: rob at steinmetznet.com (Robert Steinmetz)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:56:06 -0500
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512221245w45b5963s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>	<mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<e40e29dd0512221245w45b5963s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AB12E6.3060001@steinmetznet.com>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:

>
>
>Samba to Samba is easy, Samba to Windows in share mode is easy, Samba
>to Mac is easy, but Samba to Windows XP just mysteriously fails now
>and again, especially if you're unlucky. You have to fiddle with some
>obscure items in the smb.conf. It happens. I'm just suggesting we take
>a look. Is that acceptable? I'm not attacking Samba.
>
>-Eamonn
>  
>
I find current versions of Samba fairly easy. Samba to Windows XP in 
Windows Domains with User Profiles work just fine for me. I have not 
users a Windows server but how easy is it to get Windows Servers and 
Desktops connected.
-- 
Rob




From paxer at nyware.de  Thu Dec 22 21:06:16 2005
From: paxer at nyware.de (Philip Axer)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:06:16 +0100
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <cb39d0990512221151v79edc76oac06e5798289ce15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com> <43AB0061.5030504@nyware.de>
	<cb39d0990512221151v79edc76oac06e5798289ce15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AB1548.4090909@nyware.de>

sorry, it was a typo! I meant AWK, of course!
Philip

hometoast schrieb:

> well I would recommend AWK of awp (what's awp?).  But yes, awk is 
> perfecet for this job. But it wouldn't be a trivial task to write the 
> script. good luck.
>




From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 21:20:42 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:20:42 +0500
Subject: How to _DISABLE_ Bonobo Activation FrameWork, SSH Agent, , GNome
 Keyring Daemon and Mapping Daemon FOR GOOD
Message-ID: <43AB18AA.1020009@gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

> I think you are being fearful for no reason, and over-concerned about
> the processes you name, based on a misunderstanding of the way the OS
> actually works.

Looks like I am really being over-concerned.  Really don't have time to 
study these things.

Anyway.  I am feeling a lot more comfortable after your reply.

--
Thanks

Asif




From minxmertzmomo at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 21:20:14 2005
From: minxmertzmomo at gmail.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:20:14 -0500
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
	<1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <fa37e76f0512221320y472f7f3dg847b9e8ec68d2fb5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 11:09, Wade Smart wrote:
> > Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that
> > have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE]
> > [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to
> > 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE]
> > [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?
>
> sed can probably do that, if the documents are text format rather
> than some word-processing format and depending upon line breaks
> and depending upon how you want the quotes to appear in the new
> file.

Can sed cross newlines? I thought it worked strictly within a single
line (here comes my confession: I've never read the whole book--only
the parts I needed at specific times :-)).



From trudheim at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 21:22:20 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:22:20 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512221322p5fd02cb6u4151e4a7134d9fd0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 01:07, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> > That you don't need the MTA and that a dbus (or similar) solution with
> > pop-up boxes are much more likely to work in a majority of cases.
>
> Anders,
>
> Would you please post a list of the applications that need to
> be updated to send alerts via dbus instead of email.

Well, as you so kindly pointed out (*several* times) that you would
miss messages from cron, cron is a good candidate as it is in the
default install.

That would take care of missed messages about important dangling
symlinks and cater for the 0.05% of users that go the extra mile to
configure software raid and yet forgets to install an MTA.

To be perfectly honest, if a user is configuring software raid, they
are probably capable of installing an MTA should they want
notification to go off-box, don't you think?

Of the top of my head, I can't think of another app yet that could
benefit from being extended to do dbus notification to user, but I am
sure that as people find cases, they can be added to the list.

> Thanks,

You are most welcome. Merry Xmas dude.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Thu Dec 22 21:30:11 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:30:11 +1300
Subject: dangling symlinks
In-Reply-To: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>
References: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135287011.16187.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 09:14 +0800, Wenzhuo Zhang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After installing postfix, I started to receive the following message 
> generated by cron.daily:
> 
>    /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
>    mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a dangling symlink
> 
> /usr/share/man/man1/rmic.1.gz is a symlink to 
> /etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz. A further look into /etc/alternatives 
> reveal the following three dangling three symlinks altogether:
> 
>    $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz /etc/alternatives/rmic 
> /etc/alternatives/netscape-javaplugin.so
>    lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 53 2005-10-27 11:42 
> /etc/alternatives/netscape-javaplugin.so -> 
> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns4/libjavaplugin.so
>    lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 30 2005-10-17 18:11 /etc/alternatives/rmic -> 
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/rmic
>    lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 40 2005-10-17 18:11 
> /etc/alternatives/rmic.1.gz -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/man/man1/rmic.1.gz
> 
> Apparantly, netscape-javaplugin.so was created by sun-j2re1.5, because 
> it was created at exactly the same time as mozilla-javaplugin.so, which 
> belongs to the sun-j2re1.5.
> 
> Which package created rmic and rmic.1.gz?

The postinstall script for java-gcj-compat creates these symlinks.
However, the package does NOT include an rmic binary or man page.


And the set of alternatives being managed is inconsistent between the
postinst and prerm scripts.  postinst creates the following alternatives
entries (binary plus slave man page, in each case):
 jar
 rmic
 java
 gcj-dbtool


while prerm removes:
 jar
 java
 rmiregistry


I don't know if this is a bug in the ubuntu package, or in the upstream
debian package.  But the bugs are:
1: the package creates alternatives entries for rmic and rmic man page
    but does not install the files  (they are in the java-gcj-compat-dev
    package instead)

2: prerm does not remove the same list of alternatives that postinst
creates


I suppose we ought to file the bug in bugzilla? 


> 
> Wenzhuo
> 
> 
Tim





From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 21:31:24 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:31:24 -0800
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <fa37e76f0512221320y472f7f3dg847b9e8ec68d2fb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
	<1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<fa37e76f0512221320y472f7f3dg847b9e8ec68d2fb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135287084.16835.376.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 13:20, Matt Morgan wrote:
> Can sed cross newlines? I thought it worked strictly within a single
> line (here comes my confession: I've never read the whole book--only
> the parts I needed at specific times :-)).

Yes.  You can append the next line to the pattern space with 'N'
and you can also carry data between lines in the hold space.

--Mike Bird




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Thu Dec 22 21:37:23 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:37:23 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512221322p5fd02cb6u4151e4a7134d9fd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
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	<515e525f0512221322p5fd02cb6u4151e4a7134d9fd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135287443.16835.382.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 13:22, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Of the top of my head, I can't think of another app yet that could
> benefit from being extended to do dbus notification to user, but I am
> sure that as people find cases, they can be added to the list.

Anders,

Ubuntu should just work.  In particular, we don't want to break
things when a new Ubuntu release comes out with dbus notification.
We don't want to have lots of people complaining that dbus
notification breaks Ubuntu.  We don't want to keep them waiting
while all the broken apps are fixed to handle dbus.

So please don't be modest.  Go ahead and do the research and post
the list of applications that need to be updated in order to
work with your dbus proposal.

Thanks,

--Mike Bird




From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 21:42:37 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:42:37 +0000
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <43AB12E6.3060001@steinmetznet.com>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
	<mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<e40e29dd0512221245w45b5963s@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AB12E6.3060001@steinmetznet.com>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512221342x5e0ef833k@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/12/05, Robert Steinmetz <rob at steinmetznet.com> wrote:
> Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Samba to Samba is easy, Samba to Windows in share mode is easy, Samba
> >to Mac is easy, but Samba to Windows XP just mysteriously fails now
> >and again, especially if you're unlucky. You have to fiddle with some
> >obscure items in the smb.conf. It happens. I'm just suggesting we take
> >a look. Is that acceptable? I'm not attacking Samba.
> >
> >-Eamonn
> >
> >
> I find current versions of Samba fairly easy. Samba to Windows XP in
> Windows Domains with User Profiles work just fine for me. I have not
> users a Windows server but how easy is it to get Windows Servers and
> Desktops connected.
> --
> Rob

I'm not trying to start a debate on the current state of Samba, I'm
just sympathising with the OP that Samba can sometimes be hard to
configure, and can he please show us his config so we can debug.
That's all. Yes, Windows to Windows networking can be hard too. I
agree.

-Eamonn



From mpalmer at hezmatt.org  Thu Dec 22 22:14:22 2005
From: mpalmer at hezmatt.org (Matt Palmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:14:22 +1100
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051222221421.GH4031@hezmatt.org>

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:09:24PM -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that 
> have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] 
> [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
> 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE] 
> [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?  
> 
> This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done, 
> if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly 
> appreciate it..

It's not a particularly difficult problem, from a programming perspective. 
You simply scan the document looking for your opening tag ([QUOTE]) and then
start writing everything you subsequently read until you hit your closing
tag ([/QUOTE]).

As an aside, the Ruby language has a language primitive that makes coding
this near-trivial -- it's range operator can take regexes or strings, and
it'll print everything between the opening and closing tags.  But even in a
lesser language <duck!> a simple state machine to handle your cases should
be a simple programming operation.

Of course, if you can't program, then you're kinda up the spout.  There's
probably search-and-replace functionality in editors you could use, but it
would probably end up being programming of a sort anyway.  You could
probably get some kind-hearted soul to spend 10 minutes whipping something
up for you to run, or worst-case hire a programmer for an hour or two (it
wouldn't take longer than that, end-to-end, including internal overheads) to
write the program for you (I'd pay someone a couple of hundred bucks to
avoid manually cutting-and-pasting my way through 14.5 million lines of
text...)

- Matt

-- 
"[the average computer user] has been served so poorly that he expects his
system to crash all the time, and we witness a massive worldwide
distribution of bug-ridden software for which we should be deeply ashamed."
		-- Edsger Dijkstra



From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 22:24:22 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:24:22 +1100
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051222222421.GB20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:30:17AM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> You can mak terminal windows transparent. Open a terminal. Then click 
> Edit => Current Profile and select the effects tab. The last option is 
> "transparent background". Select it and move the slider to select how 
> transparent you want the window to be.
> 

I just tried this... .and I assumed that I would be able to see through the 
terminal window to any icons beneath.. unfortunately that doesn't appear to 
be the case.

Did I misunderstand the point?

thanks..

David.



From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 22:28:59 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:28:59 +1100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
In-Reply-To: <1135258902.10066.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
	<20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1135258902.10066.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <20051222222859.GC20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:41:42PM +0100, ulrich steffens wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 15:39 +1100 schrieb David:
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:11:19PM +1100, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
> > > David wrote:
> > > > Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
> > > > Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
> > > > silently queues all email. 
> > > > 
> > > > /var/log/mail.err says:
> > > > Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
> > > > /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp
> > > > 
> > > > /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> > > > 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > 
> > > > /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> > > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> > > > myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> > > > 
> > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> > > > test
> > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > > search kenpro.com.au
> > > > 
> > > > I have no idea where the line 
> > > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
> > > > all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> > > > 
> > > > Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?
> > > 
> > > You disabled ipv6 support :-)
> > > 
> > > ::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:
> > > 
> > > "::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
> > > 
> > > in /etc/hosts?
> > > 
> > > By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
> > > and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a safe solution.
> > ___________________________________
> > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hosts
> > <snip>
> > # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> > # (added automatically by netbase upgrade)
> > 
> > ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
> > fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> > ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> > ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> > ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> > ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
> > __________________________________
> > 
> > I'm curious how this would have come about. I'm happy to leave ipv6 
> > disabled but does this constitute a bug? given that all I did was 
> > hoary->breezy upgrade.
> > 
> > What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?
> > 
> > Thanks for your answer.
> > 
> > David.
> > 
> does '/etc/modprobe.d/aliases' contain a line like
> 	alias net-pf-10 ipv6
> or does it say
> 	alias net-pf-10 off
> 


alias net-pf-10 ipv6



From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 22 22:33:22 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:33:22 +0000
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <matthew.20fcom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<op.s14pew1cbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<matthew.20fcom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512222233.23452.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Thursday 22 Dec 2005 04:37, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:

> Scroll down to the section titled "Is Ubuntu a Debian fork? Or spoon?
> What sort of silverware are you, man?"

Thanks for that - I had actually missed it, although not Mark 
Shuttleworth's page on the wiki.

I can understand matters off-topic to be on sounding, but I thought this 
matter was directly one which could (and should) be aired on 
ubuntu-users.  Where does it say that ubuntu-users is solely for 
technical questions?

And how do I sign up for sounding?

-- 

Old Rocker



From rob at steinmetznet.com  Thu Dec 22 22:36:33 2005
From: rob at steinmetznet.com (Robert Steinmetz)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:36:33 -0500
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512221342x5e0ef833k@mail.gmail.com>
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From maihem at maihem.org  Thu Dec 22 22:42:17 2005
From: maihem at maihem.org (Tristan Wibberley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:42:17 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512221322p5fd02cb6u4151e4a7134d9fd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>	<1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Anders Karlsson wrote:

> To be perfectly honest, if a user is configuring software raid, they
> are probably capable of installing an MTA should they want
> notification to go off-box, don't you think?

Depends whether you think software raid is something that ought to be
made difficult or not.

-- 
Tristan Wibberley




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 22:49:09 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:49:09 +1100
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <20051222222421.GB20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051222222421.GB20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051223094909.76f4df35.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:24:22 +1100
David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:30:17AM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> > You can mak terminal windows transparent. Open a terminal. Then click 
> > Edit => Current Profile and select the effects tab. The last option is 
> > "transparent background". Select it and move the slider to select how 
> > transparent you want the window to be.
> > 
> 
> I just tried this... .and I assumed that I would be able to see through the 
> terminal window to any icons beneath.. unfortunately that doesn't appear to 
> be the case.
> 
> Did I misunderstand the point?
> 
> thanks..

Sounds like you are expecting "true" transparency - this method only gives
" pseudo transparency" ( you see the background, but not icons, other
windows behind the terminal etc)

True transparency *is* now possible with the new extensions to xorg - but
it's quite new and isn't configured by default.

Peter


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From mario.vukelic at dantian.org  Thu Dec 22 22:57:52 2005
From: mario.vukelic at dantian.org (Mario Vukelic)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:57:52 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135116513.16835.91.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051220222750.GA5415@srcf.ucam.org>
	<3hom73-eu3.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051221022414.GA6334@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135292272.4989.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 09:52 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> list of the applications

Another one from the top of my hat: at. I suspect there are hundreds of
things nobody thought of.




From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 22:58:16 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:58:16 +1100 (EST)
Subject: desktop disaster - x crashed
Message-ID: <50980.203.23.36.3.1135292296.squirrel@fast.kenpro.com.au>


I just logged out (see previous post about "terminal not starting"), but
instead of going to the login screen as expected, I've lost x-windows
completely.

When I do Alt/F7 the following is on the screen:

modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm
(/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device

modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm
(/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device


There was probably other stuff but it had scrolled past so I couldn't read
it.

This is the first time I've logged out since upgrading from hoary to
breezy. So far I haven't even tried to re-boot, because at least I have a
terminal running right now.

Any suggestions? PLEASE :)

David.




From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 23:04:50 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:04:50 +1100
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <200512222233.23452.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<op.s14pew1cbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>
	<matthew.20fcom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512222233.23452.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051223100450.5c133ddc.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:33:22 +0000
Old Rocker <old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Where does it say that ubuntu-users is solely for 
> technical questions?

It doesn't :)

It says "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions"

I guess whether a "discussion" is on topic is in the eye of the
beholder ;-) 

My definition would be: "If *I* think this discussion is off-topic, then
it should be on "Sounder". If *you* think it's off-topic, you are clearly
wrong" 

< stage direction: deliver the above with suitable heavily ironic
tone, tongue in cheek etc>  <insert *grin* or smiley as appropriate>

re: Sounder
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder

Peter
 -- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 22 23:07:19 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:07:19 +1100
Subject: desktop disaster - x crashed
In-Reply-To: <50980.203.23.36.3.1135292296.squirrel@fast.kenpro.com.au>
References: <50980.203.23.36.3.1135292296.squirrel@fast.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051222230718.GA29999@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 09:58:16AM +1100, David wrote:
> 
> I just logged out (see previous post about "terminal not starting"), but
> instead of going to the login screen as expected, I've lost x-windows
> completely.
> 
> When I do Alt/F7 the following is on the screen:
> 
> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm
> (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
> 
> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm
> (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
> 
> 
> There was probably other stuff but it had scrolled past so I couldn't read
> it.
> 
> This is the first time I've logged out since upgrading from hoary to
> breezy. So far I haven't even tried to re-boot, because at least I have a
> terminal running right now.
> 



Yea.. well, after the panic settled down, I just ran startx from the 
terminal and everything is back to normal.. 

Still... it should not have happened... Any suggestions why it might have?
I'd been fiddling with terminal settings (transparency) just before my 
little crash.

regards

David.



From clintin at linuxmail.org  Thu Dec 22 23:17:03 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:17:03 -0700
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
Message-ID: <20051222231703.7B4EE43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

As a rule of thumb because my ISP does not support IPv6, I disable it, everywhere!  You need to implement the following.

etc/modprobe.d/aliases

Should read:

alias net-pf-10 off
# alias net-pf-10 ipv6

It's nice that IPv6 is enabled in the kernel but it is not completely supported by ISP's and others so the only real fix is to disable until laggard ISP's and others are forced to support it for all users and sites.

----- Original Message -----
From: David <david at kenpro.com.au>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:28:59 +1100

> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:41:42PM +0100, ulrich steffens wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 15:39 +1100 schrieb David:
> > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:11:19PM +1100, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
> > > > David wrote:
> > > > > Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After 
> > upgrade to > > > Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured 
> > (not removed) so that it > > > silently queues all email. > > > > 
> > > > /var/log/mail.err says:
> > > > > Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: > > 
> > > /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network 
> > address: ::1:smtp
> > > > > > > > /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> > > > > 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > > > > /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> > > > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> > > > > myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> > > > > > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> > > > > test
> > > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > > > search kenpro.com.au
> > > > > > > > I have no idea where the line > > > ::1:smtp       
> > inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and 
> > restarting postfix, > > > all my queued mail was instantly 
> > delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?
> > > > > > You disabled ipv6 support :-)
> > > > > > ::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:
> > > > > > "::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
> > > > > > in /etc/hosts?
> > > > > > By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
> > > > and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a 
> > safe solution.
> > > ___________________________________
> > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hosts
> > > <snip>
> > > # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> > > # (added automatically by netbase upgrade)
> > > > ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
> > > fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> > > ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> > > ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> > > ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> > > ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
> > > __________________________________
> > > > I'm curious how this would have come about. I'm happy to 
> > leave ipv6 > disabled but does this constitute a bug? given that 
> > all I did was > hoary->breezy upgrade.
> > > > What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?
> > > > Thanks for your answer.
> > > > David.
> > > does '/etc/modprobe.d/aliases' contain a line like
> > 	alias net-pf-10 ipv6
> > or does it say
> > 	alias net-pf-10 off
> >
> 
> 
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From clintin at linuxmail.org  Thu Dec 22 23:50:07 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:50:07 -0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <20051222235007.D054543EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Somebody has done this already ... Would have to search for it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sasha Tsykin" <stsykin at gmail.com>
To: imre.tuske at gmail.com, ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100

> 
> Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui 
> for the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as 
> possible. Just my two cents.
> 
> -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 00:58:34 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:58:34 -0500
Subject: firefox and video plugin
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com><c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


In Firefox 1.5

Edit > Preferences > Downloads > Download Actions


*-S-t-e-p- -1-*-

[image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step1.png]




S-T-E-P- -2-
[image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step2.png]




S-T-E-P- -3-
[image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step3.png]



profit w/out undies :rolleyes:


-- 
macewan



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Fri Dec 23 01:08:46 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:08:46 +0000
Subject: Well, someone likes Gnome and Ubuntu...
Message-ID: <1135300126.8499.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

A little review that I found when browsing for information about VNC.

http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&opt=printable&id=5557

It isn't a very long read and is neither a fan boy's account nor does it
nitpick.  When our man finds something he doesn't like - he uses a
workaround and gets on with his life and job...  And he writes well and
amusingly about it.

Neil
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From corey.burger at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:20:55 2005
From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:20:55 -0800
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
Message-ID: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Scanners are one of those places that the Documentation Team needs
help from you, the average user. We specifically need two pieces of
help:

1. Record whether your scanner does or doesn't work with Ubuntu at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners

2. If you scanner requires manual tweaking to get it to work, record
that information on:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo

If you edit the above page, please try and make your edits as generic
as possible. Don't just tell us you got your scanner working, tell us
how. Think of writing as if you had to give it to your non-techy
friend/neighbour/mother/father/sister/etc.

Further discussion of how to edit those wiki pages on ubuntu-doc and
general help on ubuntu-users, as usual, please!

Cheers,

Corey Burger
Ubuntu Documentation Team



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:23:58 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 03:23:58 +0200
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135301039.8897.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 16:33 +0000, Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?
> 
> No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
> issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
> about it's networking, which means the developers have to
> painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
> (with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?
> 
Well here it is:



#
# Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
#
#
# This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
# smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
# here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options most of which 
# are not shown in this example
#
# Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash) 
# is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
# for commentary and a ; for parts of the config file that you
# may wish to enable
#
# NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command
# "testparm" to check that you have not many any basic syntactic 
# errors. 
#

#======================= Global Settings =======================

[global]

## Browsing/Identification ###

# Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain name your Samba server will
part of
   workgroup = MSHOME

# server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field
   server string = GIORGOS1

# Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section:
# WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable its WINS
Server
;   wins support = no

# WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client
# Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT
both
;   wins server = w.x.y.z

# This will prevent nmbd to search for NetBIOS names through DNS.
   dns proxy = no

# What naming service and in what order should we use to resolve host
names
# to IP addresses
;   name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast


#### Debugging/Accounting ####

# This tells Samba to use a separate log file for each machine
# that connects
   log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m

# Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb).
   max log size = 1000

# If you want Samba to only log through syslog then set the following
# parameter to 'yes'.
;   syslog only = no

# We want Samba to log a minimum amount of information to syslog.
Everything
# should go to /var/log/samba/log.{smbd,nmbd} instead. If you want to
log
# through syslog you should set the following parameter to something
higher.
   syslog = 0

# Do something sensible when Samba crashes: mail the admin a backtrace
   panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d


####### Authentication #######

# "security = user" is always a good idea. This will require a Unix
account
# in this server for every user accessing the server. See
# /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/ServerType.html in the samba-doc
# package for details.
;   security = user

# You may wish to use password encryption.  See the section on
# 'encrypt passwords' in the smb.conf(5) manpage before enabling.
   encrypt passwords = true

# If you are using encrypted passwords, Samba will need to know what
# password database type you are using.  
   passdb backend = tdbsam guest

   obey pam restrictions = yes

;   guest account = nobody
   invalid users = root

# This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the
Unix
# password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
# passdb is changed.
;   unix password sync = no

# For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the
following
# parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton
<aluton at hybrigenics.fr> for
# sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian
Potato).
   passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
   passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\sUNIX
\spassword:* %n\n .

# This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
# when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
# 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
;   pam password change = no


########## Printing ##########

# If you want to automatically load your printer list rather
# than setting them up individually then you'll need this
;   load printers = yes

# lpr(ng) printing. You may wish to override the location of the
# printcap file
;   printing = bsd
;   printcap name = /etc/printcap

# CUPS printing.  See also the cupsaddsmb(8) manpage in the
# cupsys-client package.
;   printing = cups
;   printcap name = cups

# When using [print$], root is implicitly a 'printer admin', but you can
# also give this right to other users to add drivers and set printer
# properties
;   printer admin = @ntadmin


######## File sharing ########

# Name mangling options
;   preserve case = yes
;   short preserve case = yes


############ Misc ############

# Using the following line enables you to customise your configuration
# on a per machine basis. The %m gets replaced with the netbios name
# of the machine that is connecting
;   include = /home/samba/etc/smb.conf.%m

# Most people will find that this option gives better performance.
# See smb.conf(5) and /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/speed.html
# for details
# You may want to add the following on a Linux system:
#         SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
   socket options = TCP_NODELAY

# The following parameter is useful only if you have the linpopup
package
# installed. The samba maintainer and the linpopup maintainer are
# working to ease installation and configuration of linpopup and samba.
;   message command = /bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/linpopup "%f" "%m" %s; rm %s'
&

# Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. If this
# machine will be configured as a BDC (a secondary logon server), you
# must set this to 'no'; otherwise, the default behavior is recommended.
;   domain master = auto

# Some defaults for winbind (make sure you're not using the ranges
# for something else.)
;   idmap uid = 10000-20000
;   idmap gid = 10000-20000
;   template shell = /bin/bash

#======================= Share Definitions =======================

wins support = no
[homes]
   comment = Home Directories
   browseable = no

# By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change next
# parameter to 'yes' if you want to be able to write to them.
   writable = no

# File creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
# create files with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
   create mask = 0700

# Directory creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you
want to
# create dirs. with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
   directory mask = 0700

# Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain
Logons
# (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
;[netlogon]
;   comment = Network Logon Service
;   path = /home/samba/netlogon
;   guest ok = yes
;   writable = no
;   share modes = no

[printers]
   comment = All Printers
   browseable = no
   path = /tmp
   printable = yes
   public = no
   writable = no
   create mode = 0700

# Windows clients look for this share name as a source of downloadable
# printer drivers
[print$]
   comment = Printer Drivers
   path = /var/lib/samba/printers
   browseable = yes
   read only = yes
   guest ok = no
# Uncomment to allow remote administration of Windows print drivers.
# Replace 'ntadmin' with the name of the group your admin users are
# members of.
;   write list = root, @ntadmin

# A sample share for sharing your CD-ROM with others.
;[cdrom]
;   comment = Samba server's CD-ROM
;   writable = no
;   locking = no
;   path = /cdrom
;   public = yes

# The next two parameters show how to auto-mount a CD-ROM when the
#	cdrom share is accesed. For this to work /etc/fstab must contain
#	an entry like this:
#
#       /dev/scd0   /cdrom  iso9660 defaults,noauto,ro,user   0 0
#
# The CD-ROM gets unmounted automatically after the connection to the
#
# If you don't want to use auto-mounting/unmounting make sure the CD
#	is mounted on /cdrom
#
;   preexec = /bin/mount /cdrom
;   postexec = /bin/umount /cdrom


[music]
path = /home/giorgos/windows/d/music
comment = music
available = yes
browseable = yes
public = yes
writable = no

[incoming]
path = /home/giorgos/windows/fat/incoming
comment = incoming
available = yes
browseable = yes
public = yes
writable = yes





From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 01:35:59 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:35:59 +0800
Subject: Well, someone likes Gnome and Ubuntu...
In-Reply-To: <1135300126.8499.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135300126.8499.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512221735g385886dpaa21514aff030645@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, neil woolford <lists at neilwoolford.plus.com> wrote:
>
> A little review that I found when browsing for information about VNC.
>
> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&opt=printable&id=5557
>
> It isn't a very long read and is neither a fan boy's account nor does it
> nitpick.  When our man finds something he doesn't like - he uses a
> workaround and gets on with his life and job...  And he writes well and
> amusingly about it.
>
> Neil
>
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>

Nice Review.

Charles

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sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
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From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:36:44 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:36:44 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Really, this is sounder material!

On 12/22/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> > <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> > Rank  Distribution    Hits Per Day
> > 1     Ubuntu  2739
> > 2     SUSE    1891
> > 3     Mandriva        1801
> > 4     Fedora  1030
>
> Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
> views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
> Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
> have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
> not actually running Ubuntu yet.

I believe I did not state usage, now did I ;-)?

> It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
> server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
> that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.

Plus, popular perception is that Ubuntu is not targeted at a server
release so it wouldn't be at all accurate to extrapolate from server
to desktop.

> I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
> -brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
> (To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
> office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)
>
>   PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
>   Linux                0.13%
>   Macintosh            3.08%
>   SunOS                0.01%
>   Other               96.78%

How come no breakdown by Other? What % of Macintosh and Linux agents
report as Windows agents?

>   PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
>   Debian                3.7%
>   Fedora                0.1%
>   Mandrake              0.0%
>   Mandriva              2.2%
>   Redhat                0.0%
>   SUSE                  0.2%
>   Ubuntu                5.7%
>   Anonymous            88.4%

Are you lumping Ubuntu and Kubuntu together here?

> It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
> Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
> Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
> and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.
>
> I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
> Firefox or Konqueror:
>
>   PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
>   Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
>   Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
>   SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
>   Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
>   Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
>   Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%

Seems a little suspicious that Kubuntu (arguably more crude than
Ubuntu) would out-number Ubuntu 7 to 1 (can you draw that
conclusion... do the user agents self-identify as Kubuntu and
Ubuntu?).

> >From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
> is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.

You may consider yourself unbiased (and, I don't doubt you analysed
them in as fair a manner as possible), however, it is questionable
whether the underlying data was representative.

Your demographic was reportedly "young", can you be sure that all user
agents are recorded properly, and, that the user agents self-report
accurately (as you yourself partially recognise with the "Other" list
above... unless you're avoiding mentioning Windows on purpose, with I
don't think)?

I question your conclusion about the popularity of Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu.
In the identified Linux visits, you have a 20.3% to 75% Konq vs. FF
ratio. However, you report 5.9% Konq/Kubuntu vs 0.8% FF/Ubuntu.

Anyway, there are too many questions still about your analysis. The
one thing I do find informative is that Ubuntu is the most common
_identified_ Linux!

> As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
> them.

Absolutely! A wider selection of web sites would be helpful, but, what
would be more interesting would be to have a non self-selecting survey
of what computer users run (given that browsers mask their identity,
estimates of platform usage can never be more than crude guesses (more
so than normal surveys)).

Your quick-n-dirty analysis raises more questions than it answers, but
that is a good thing.

Eric.



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 01:46:07 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:46:07 +0800
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
References: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512221746m1ab18528y40f30fd2fd9b6029@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Scanners are one of those places that the Documentation Team needs
> help from you, the average user. We specifically need two pieces of
> help:
>
> 1. Record whether your scanner does or doesn't work with Ubuntu at:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
>
> 2. If you scanner requires manual tweaking to get it to work, record
> that information on:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo
>
> If you edit the above page, please try and make your edits as generic
> as possible. Don't just tell us you got your scanner working, tell us
> how. Think of writing as if you had to give it to your non-techy
> friend/neighbour/mother/father/sister/etc.
>
> Further discussion of how to edit those wiki pages on ubuntu-doc and
> general help on ubuntu-users, as usual, please!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Corey Burger
> Ubuntu Documentation Team
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Hi Corey,

I would like to contribute. I have an HP Scanjet 4370, it doesnt work on
Breezy. But thats the only description I have. I also have an HP Lasejet
3015, its multifuction printer, its scans fine after you install the latest
hplip.

Regards,

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:46:23 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 03:46:23 +0200
Subject: Gnome hangs loading metacity
Message-ID: <1135302383.10231.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

When I login, if I choose "Last session" or "Gnome" then gnome hangs
loading metacity. If I load "Failsafe Gnome" it boots fine.

In ~/.xsession-errors I see this:

Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session
file /home/giorgos/.metacity/sessions/1135291483-8468-2423500513.ms:
Failed to open file
'/home/giorgos/.metacity/sessions/1135291483-8468-2423500513.ms': No
such file or directory



What should I do? I didn't delete that file so how did it get removed?
This happened after I rebooted saving my session.




From sdl.web at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:52:13 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:52:13 +0000
Subject: firefox and video plugin
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com> <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>

Your help is very much appreciated.

Unfortunately breezy comes with firefox 1.0.7 which has empty file type
list and thus change action button is disabled.

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com writes:

 | In Firefox 1.5
 | 
 | Edit > Preferences > Downloads > Download Actions
 | 
 | 
 | *-S-t-e-p- -1-*-
 | 
 | [image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step1.png]
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | S-T-E-P- -2-
 | [image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step2.png]
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | S-T-E-P- -3-
 | [image: http://www.macewan.org/wp-content/images/step3.png]
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | profit w/out undies :rolleyes:
 | 
 | 
 | -- 
 | macewan
 | 

-- 
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From corey.burger at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 01:54:53 2005
From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:54:53 -0800
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512221746m1ab18528y40f30fd2fd9b6029@mail.gmail.com>
References: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512221746m1ab18528y40f30fd2fd9b6029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <348bd6da0512221754x20bb2420s65a56eb40c39d63@mail.gmail.com>

> On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Scanners are one of those places that the Documentation Team needs
> > help from you, the average user. We specifically need two pieces of
> > help:
> >
> > 1. Record whether your scanner does or doesn't work with Ubuntu at:
> >
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
> >
> > 2. If you scanner requires manual tweaking to get it to work, record
> > that information on:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo
> >
> > If you edit the above page, please try and make your edits as generic
> > as possible. Don't just tell us you got your scanner working, tell us
> > how. Think of writing as if you had to give it to your non-techy
> > friend/neighbour/mother/father/sister/etc.
> >
> > Further discussion of how to edit those wiki pages on ubuntu-doc and
> > general help on ubuntu-users, as usual, please!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Corey Burger
> > Ubuntu Documentation Team
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>
>  Hi Corey,
>
>  I would like to contribute. I have an HP Scanjet 4370, it doesnt work on
> Breezy. But thats the only description I have. I also have an HP Lasejet
> 3015, its multifuction printer, its scans fine after you install the latest
> hplip.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Charles

Can you record both scanners on that Hardware page I mentioned and add
a section to ScanningHowto about HP all in ones?

Corey



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 01:57:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:57:57 -0500
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
References: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ted.D..20gzxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have an epson 1260 which seems to work fine with Xane. Although I
haven't tried everything.

Ted D.


-- 
Ted D.



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 02:04:31 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:04:31 +0800
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0512221754x20bb2420s65a56eb40c39d63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512221746m1ab18528y40f30fd2fd9b6029@mail.gmail.com>
	<348bd6da0512221754x20bb2420s65a56eb40c39d63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512221804u5478d8ecoa8e89ba7796315f7@mail.gmail.com>

Corey,

Ok, But on the Scanjet 4370, all I can put is it does not work. Will that be
ok?

Charles

On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Scanners are one of those places that the Documentation Team needs
> > > help from you, the average user. We specifically need two pieces of
> > > help:
> > >
> > > 1. Record whether your scanner does or doesn't work with Ubuntu at:
> > >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
> > >
> > > 2. If you scanner requires manual tweaking to get it to work, record
> > > that information on:
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo
> > >
> > > If you edit the above page, please try and make your edits as generic
> > > as possible. Don't just tell us you got your scanner working, tell us
> > > how. Think of writing as if you had to give it to your non-techy
> > > friend/neighbour/mother/father/sister/etc.
> > >
> > > Further discussion of how to edit those wiki pages on ubuntu-doc and
> > > general help on ubuntu-users, as usual, please!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Corey Burger
> > > Ubuntu Documentation Team
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> >
> >
> >  Hi Corey,
> >
> >  I would like to contribute. I have an HP Scanjet 4370, it doesnt work
> on
> > Breezy. But thats the only description I have. I also have an HP Lasejet
> > 3015, its multifuction printer, its scans fine after you install the
> latest
> > hplip.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Charles
>
> Can you record both scanners on that Hardware page I mentioned and add
> a section to ScanningHowto about HP all in ones?
>
> Corey
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 23 01:10:59 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:10:59 -0400
Subject: Samba bug
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
	<mcbr73-531.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<e40e29dd0512221245w45b5963s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3evr73-847.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Eamonn Sullivan wrote:

> On 22/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>> Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> > On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?
>> >
>> > No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
>> > issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
>> > about it's networking, which means the developers have to
>> > painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
>> > (with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?
>>
>> It's pretty easy in KDE and I recall it being not too difficult
>> previously with SWAT, so where's the problem?
> 
> Samba to Samba is easy, Samba to Windows in share mode is easy, Samba
> to Mac is easy, but Samba to Windows XP just mysteriously fails now
> and again, especially if you're unlucky. You have to fiddle with some
> obscure items in the smb.conf. It happens. I'm just suggesting we take
> a look. Is that acceptable? I'm not attacking Samba.

I didn't think so - I was a bit concerned you might think I was attacking
Gnome :-)  Now that you mention it, I know I've heard about this XP problem
from someone else, yet it's never been a problem for me, and I do a lot of
Samba to XP pro, and vice versa.  The Kubuntu (I'm not sure it's standard
KDE) samba maintenance is pretty slick.
-- 
derek




From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 02:16:32 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:16:32 +0800
Subject: Call for help on documenting scanners
In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0512221754x20bb2420s65a56eb40c39d63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <348bd6da0512221720w12f38d18s2b09a1add637f117@mail.gmail.com>
	<509d63b70512221746m1ab18528y40f30fd2fd9b6029@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/23/05, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Scanners are one of those places that the Documentation Team needs
> > > help from you, the average user. We specifically need two pieces of
> > > help:
> > >
> > > 1. Record whether your scanner does or doesn't work with Ubuntu at:
> > >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
> > >
> > > 2. If you scanner requires manual tweaking to get it to work, record
> > > that information on:
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo
> > >
> > > If you edit the above page, please try and make your edits as generic
> > > as possible. Don't just tell us you got your scanner working, tell us
> > > how. Think of writing as if you had to give it to your non-techy
> > > friend/neighbour/mother/father/sister/etc.
> > >
> > > Further discussion of how to edit those wiki pages on ubuntu-doc and
> > > general help on ubuntu-users, as usual, please!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Corey Burger
> > > Ubuntu Documentation Team
> > >
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> > >
> >
> >
> >  Hi Corey,
> >
> >  I would like to contribute. I have an HP Scanjet 4370, it doesnt work
> on
> > Breezy. But thats the only description I have. I also have an HP Lasejet
> > 3015, its multifuction printer, its scans fine after you install the
> latest
> > hplip.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Charles
>
> Can you record both scanners on that Hardware page I mentioned and add
> a section to ScanningHowto about HP all in ones?
>
> Corey
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

Hi Corey,

I tried to record it on the pages you mentioned. But it just keeps saying
that I am not allowed to edit the page.

Regards,

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 23 02:36:28 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:36:28 -0600
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <20051223094909.76f4df35.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>	<20051222222421.GB20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051223094909.76f4df35.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <43AB62AC.4090303@wadesmart.com>

12222005 2035 GMT-5

True transparent being for all apps - then yes. That is what I was 
talking about.

Wade


Peter Garrett wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:24:22 +1100
>David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:30:17AM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>You can mak terminal windows transparent. Open a terminal. Then click 
>>>Edit => Current Profile and select the effects tab. The last option is 
>>>"transparent background". Select it and move the slider to select how 
>>>transparent you want the window to be.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I just tried this... .and I assumed that I would be able to see through the 
>>terminal window to any icons beneath.. unfortunately that doesn't appear to 
>>be the case.
>>
>>Did I misunderstand the point?
>>
>>thanks..
>>    
>>
>
>Sounds like you are expecting "true" transparency - this method only gives
>" pseudo transparency" ( you see the background, but not icons, other
>windows behind the terminal etc)
>
>True transparency *is* now possible with the new extensions to xorg - but
>it's quite new and isn't configured by default.
>
>Peter
>
>
>  
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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 23 02:45:05 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:45:05 -0600
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
	<1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <43AB64B1.4050507@wadesmart.com>

12222005 2039 GMT-5

What this is is the diary of a woman that her years and years of writing 
was kept on a word processor and then later on a pc. She had hundreds 
and hundreds of quotes that she came across - some of them pretty unique 
in their meaning.

Most are simple *.txt documents and a few are MS Word that I open with OO.

Take this email for example. She writes as simple as we speak back and 
forth. And then she was just drop in a quote, [QUOTE] The positive thing 
about writing is that you connect with yourself in the deepest way, and 
that's heaven. You get a chance to know who you are, to know what you 
think. You begin to have a relationship with your mind. [/QUOTE]  And 
then keep talking from there.

I would like to pull them out and have them like this:

The positive thing about writing is that you connect with yourself in the deepest way, and that's heaven. You get a chance to know who you are, to know what you think. You begin to have a relationship with your mind. 

The positive thing about writing is that you connect with yourself in the deepest way, and that's heaven. You get a chance to know who you are, to know what you think. You begin to have a relationship with your mind. 


That way when they are saved to a normal text file, the owner can just 
do what they like with them afterwards.


Ill read up on that awk and someone also mentioned Ruby. Thanks for 
those suggestions.

Wade


Mike Bird wrote:

>On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 11:09, Wade Smart wrote:
>  
>
>>Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that 
>>have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] 
>>[/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
>>20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE] 
>>[QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?  
>>    
>>
>
>sed can probably do that, if the documents are text format rather
>than some word-processing format and depending upon line breaks
>and depending upon how you want the quotes to appear in the new
>file.
>
>There may also be an approach of converting the square brackets
>to angles and then using an XML tool.
>
>Why don't you post a small sample input file that covers all the
>relevant cases, together with how the output file should appear?
>
>--Mike Bird
>
>
>  
>
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 23 04:11:04 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:11:04 -0800
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AB64B1.4050507@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
	<1135284425.16835.360.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<43AB64B1.4050507@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135311063.16835.393.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 18:45, Wade Smart wrote:
> Take this email for example. She writes as simple as we speak back and
> forth. And then she was just drop in a quote, [QUOTE] The positive
> thing about writing is that you connect with yourself in the deepest
> way, and that's heaven. You get a chance to know who you are, to know
> what you think. You begin to have a relationship with your mind.
> [/QUOTE]  And then keep talking from there. 

This sed script works provided that you don't have open square
brackets anywhere but for those tags.  If you do, your best
bet is to try to find a couple of characters which aren't used
anywhere, use them to replace the begin and end quotes, and work
from there.  If you can't find two such characters you'd be
better off scanning the files with PERL.

sed -n -e H -e '${x;
s/\n/ /g;
s/^[^[]*\[QUOTE\]//;
s/\[\/QUOTE\][^]]*$//;
s/\[\/QUOTE\]\([^[]*\)\[QUOTE\]/\n/g;
p}' <infile.txt >quotefile

You can skip the newlines after the semicolons.  One normally
does.  I only put them in so the mail program wouldn't break
the lines at places that wouldn't be OK.

If you have a bunch of text files and want one quote file with
duplicates removed, it could look like this:

for f in *.txt; do
sed -n -e H -e '${x;
s/\n/ /g;
s/^[^[]*\[QUOTE\]//;
s/\[\/QUOTE\][^]]*$//;
s/\[\/QUOTE\]\([^[]*\)\[QUOTE\]/\n/g;
p}' <$f; done | sort | uniq >quotefile

Enjoy,

--Mike Bird




From wenzhuo at zhmail.com  Fri Dec 23 04:31:19 2005
From: wenzhuo at zhmail.com (Wenzhuo Zhang)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:31:19 +0800
Subject: dangling symlinks
In-Reply-To: <1135287011.16187.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A9FDEE.7050300@zhmail.com>
	<1135287011.16187.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43AB7D97.7070806@zhmail.com>

Tim Frost wrote:
> The postinstall script for java-gcj-compat creates these symlinks.
> However, the package does NOT include an rmic binary or man page.
> 
> 
> And the set of alternatives being managed is inconsistent between the
> postinst and prerm scripts.  postinst creates the following alternatives
> entries (binary plus slave man page, in each case):
>  jar
>  rmic
>  java
>  gcj-dbtool
> 
> 
> while prerm removes:
>  jar
>  java
>  rmiregistry
> 
> 
> I don't know if this is a bug in the ubuntu package, or in the upstream
> debian package.  But the bugs are:
> 1: the package creates alternatives entries for rmic and rmic man page
>     but does not install the files  (they are in the java-gcj-compat-dev
>     package instead)
> 
> 2: prerm does not remove the same list of alternatives that postinst
> creates
> 
> 
> I suppose we ought to file the bug in bugzilla? 

It has been fixed in Debian 
<http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=336728>.

However, it seems that the problem with netscape-javaplugin.so has not 
been fixed yet in Debian. Considering java-package is a multiverse 
package in Ubuntu, where shall we file the bug, Ubuntu bugzilla, Ubuntu 
launchpad, or Debian BTS?

Wenzhuo



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 05:15:41 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:15:41 +0800
Subject: Konila Magicolor 2430DL
Message-ID: <509d63b70512222115y12931f01y31df913ecb51345b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Our company was being offered a Konica printer by a supplier, on its website
it shows that it runs on linux. IHas anyone used this printer on Ubuntu
before. Your feedback is much appreciated.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 05:38:54 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:38:54 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <dofa47$11p$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On 12/22/05, Tristan Wibberley <maihem at maihem.org> wrote:
> Anders Karlsson wrote:
>
> > To be perfectly honest, if a user is configuring software raid, they
> > are probably capable of installing an MTA should they want
> > notification to go off-box, don't you think?
>
> Depends whether you think software raid is something that ought to be
> made difficult or not.

If you have set it up, you know it isn't difficult, but never the
less, it is a step that the average non-technical user performing the
install themselves are quite unlikely to take.

Even if they do, 'mdadm -F' isn't automatically stuck into a crontab
somewhere, so they would not get any extra notifications even if they
did configure software raid.

Regards,

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 05:44:00 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:44:00 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512221736q75d8ee86o6a8594dc9f1bfefd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051218103524.0f0537c7.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134864574.3941.94.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051218112935.a2af148c.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<1134866701.3941.102.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/23/05, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

Eric, as 82.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot, *grin*, I
think you can take it with a pinch of salt. ;-)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 05:44:37 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:44:37 +0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
Message-ID: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying to make a
database for my company.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 23 05:55:04 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:55:04 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512222138m824491fn5d4af02632102ce2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135136605.16835.175.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051221044406.GA6705@srcf.ucam.org>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512221322p5fd02cb6u4151e4a7134d9fd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<dofa47$11p$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<515e525f0512222138m824491fn5d4af02632102ce2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135317304.16835.399.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:38, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Even if they do, 'mdadm -F' isn't automatically stuck into a crontab
> somewhere, so they would not get any extra notifications even if they
> did configure software raid.

Eh?  What use would "mdadm -F" be in a crontab?

"mdadm -F" is in /etc/init.d/mdadm so that it's started
automatically at boot time.

Automatically.

Out of the box.

--Mike Bird




From bike_oz at yahoo.com.au  Fri Dec 23 05:55:51 2005
From: bike_oz at yahoo.com.au (Russell Cook)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:55:51 +1100
Subject: Moving Ubuntu to a new hard drive
Message-ID: <1135317351.19314.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi all,
I've got a small home server with an old disk as the boot drive
(/dev/hdh) and a newer but ltd capacity disck as home (/dev/hda) and
I've just bought a new 300GB hdd for it. 

What I want to know is if there's a simple technique to move the root
and boot partitions to the new drive? I'm, happy enough to edit the grub
installation, but I'm not sure what's involved in maintaining
permissions when copying etc, dev, proc, sbin and other important and
special folders. Is there a tool or technique for this? 

I've fitted the new hdd as /dev/hdc, the old boot drive is /dev/hdh -
don't ask :-). Grub is on the MBR of /dev/hda but boot (and
therefore /boot/grub/...) is on /dev/hdh5. I'm moving root and boot
from /dev/hdh to /dev/hdc1. The tmp and swap partitions are ok and I'll
move them in fstab. /dev/hda is home as lvm and I'm copying that
to /dev/hdc5 which is also an lvm partition. I know I can swap home in
fstab no problems. 

It's just making sure "/" works and I've copied my current breezy
implementation across that I'm not sure of how to do.

Any advice appreciated.
Thanks

Kind Regards Russell
==================
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sales at windsorcycles.com.au
ph. 02 4577 3209
bikes.no-ip.info
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Fri Dec 23 06:00:17 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:00:17 +1100
Subject: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <43AB62AC.4090303@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAAA69.9090601@optusnet.com.au>
	<20051222222421.GB20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051223094909.76f4df35.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<43AB62AC.4090303@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051223060017.GB11842@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 08:36:28PM -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12222005 2035 GMT-5
> 
> True transparent being for all apps - then yes. That is what I was 
> talking about.
> 
> Wade

In that case I must be doing something wrong :(

What a pity... it would be a nice feature.


> 
> 
> Peter Garrett wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:24:22 +1100
> >David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:30:17AM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> >>   
> >>
> >>>You can mak terminal windows transparent. Open a terminal. Then click 
> >>>Edit => Current Profile and select the effects tab. The last option is 
> >>>"transparent background". Select it and move the slider to select how 
> >>>transparent you want the window to be.
> >>>
> >>>     
> >>>
> >>I just tried this... .and I assumed that I would be able to see through 
> >>the terminal window to any icons beneath.. unfortunately that doesn't 
> >>appear to be the case.
> >>
> >>Did I misunderstand the point?
> >>
> >>thanks..
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like you are expecting "true" transparency - this method only gives
> >" pseudo transparency" ( you see the background, but not icons, other
> >windows behind the terminal etc)
> >
> >True transparency *is* now possible with the new extensions to xorg - but
> >it's quite new and isn't configured by default.
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> > 
> >

> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users


-- 
David McQuire




From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 23 06:00:49 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:00:49 -0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:44, Charles Yao wrote:
> Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying to
> make a database for my company.

There's a lot to cover - database theory including normal forms,
the SQL language, and then the quirks and features of MySQL.

Whichever book you choose, I suggest you install webmin and
webmin-mysql as it's a convenient way of working hands-on with
MySQL and will help to make the theory more concrete.

Good luck,

--Mike Bird




From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 06:07:55 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:07:55 +0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512222207h3a6c02e5u81a37afdbe50d1d5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:44, Charles Yao wrote:
> > Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying to
> > make a database for my company.
>
> There's a lot to cover - database theory including normal forms,
> the SQL language, and then the quirks and features of MySQL.
>
> Whichever book you choose, I suggest you install webmin and
> webmin-mysql as it's a convenient way of working hands-on with
> MySQL and will help to make the theory more concrete.
>
> Good luck,
>
> --Mike Bird
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Hi Mike,

Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking on something more on the practical
side. Im not a programmer or anything, I just want to know the basics on how
to make a database, so that if something goes wrong with the ones we have I
wont have to wait for the tech guys to come and fix it. We dont have an IT
team in the office so if there is an emergency I have to get guys from
another company to check it out.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 23 06:21:23 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:21:23 -0800
Subject: Moving Ubuntu to a new hard drive
In-Reply-To: <1135317351.19314.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135317351.19314.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135318883.16835.424.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:55, Russell Cook wrote:
> What I want to know is if there's a simple technique to move the root
> and boot partitions to the new drive? I'm, happy enough to edit the
> grub installation, but I'm not sure what's involved in maintaining
> permissions when copying etc, dev, proc, sbin and other important and
> special folders. Is there a tool or technique for this? 

With the new root mounted at /newroot,you can use
"cp -vax / /newroot".  Mount the new boot at /newroot/boot
and "cp -vax /boot /newroot/".  You may wonder why there's
no boot on the end of that last command.  You can experiment
on some small folders in /tmp if you want to figure it out.

The "-x" (or the "x" in "-vax") ensures that it only copies one
filesystem at a time.

Or a cpio pipeline is kind of traditional.

However, I personally prefer using rsync.  I can use "-n" to
see what it's going to do before I let it loose:
"rsync -n -vax -H --delete / /newroot/".  When it looks
like its going to do the right thing just run it again without
the "-n".  Then "rsync -n -vaz -H --delete /boot/ /newroot/boot/".

You also need to get Grub or LILO working on the new drives.
There's lots of different techniques.  If the system is not
three thousand miles away just boot the CD in recovery mode,
let it find your new root, chroot into it, mount your /boot
in the jail if it's not already there, then run Grub or LILO.

--Mike Bird




From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Fri Dec 23 07:06:14 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:06:14 -0700
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512222207h3a6c02e5u81a37afdbe50d1d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>	<1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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Good evening!


>      > Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying to
>      > make a database for my company.
> 
>     There's a lot to cover - database theory including normal forms,
>     the SQL language, and then the quirks and features of MySQL.
> 
>     Whichever book you choose, I suggest you install webmin and
>     webmin-mysql as it's a convenient way of working hands-on with
>     MySQL and will help to make the theory more concrete.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking on something more on the 
> practical side. Im not a programmer or anything, I just want to know the 
> basics on how to make a database, so that if something goes wrong with 
> the ones we have I wont have to wait for the tech guys to come and fix 
> it. We dont have an IT team in the office so if there is an emergency I 
> have to get guys from another company to check it out.

I've found a book called "SQL in Easy Steps" by Mike mcGrath to be quite 
useful. It is published by a British firm called Computer Step. Be 
forewarned, though. The book is command line oriented! The MySQL manual 
at Mysql's website is also quite interesting reading!

Good luck and Merry Christmas!

Rob



From simon.taplin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 07:16:05 2005
From: simon.taplin at gmail.com (Simon Taplin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:16:05 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu AMD Bug?
Message-ID: <e8b04e770512222316nce0f91asf6f9e9b0a3fa4e19@mail.gmail.com>

I was experimenting with the latest Kubuntu AMD64 and I ran into a
problem with the network card applet. For some reason at whatever
resolution I tried to run it, the buttun to convert to superuser was
always off the screen. Has anybody else had this problem?

Simon



From simon.taplin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 07:17:21 2005
From: simon.taplin at gmail.com (Simon Taplin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:17:21 +0200
Subject: Wine on Ubuntu AMD64
Message-ID: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>

I can't seem to find wine on Breezy AMD64? I have all the standard
respositories enabled with the exception of the backports. Am I
missing something or is it not in universe/multiverse repositories?

SImon



From ompaul at eircom.net  Fri Dec 23 07:34:39 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:34:39 +0000
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
In-Reply-To: <200512222233.23452.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>	<op.s14pew1cbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>	<matthew.20fcom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<200512222233.23452.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43ABA88F.7060305@eircom.net>

Old Rocker wrote:

>I can understand matters off-topic to be on sounding, but I thought this 
>matter was directly one which could (and should) be aired on 
>ubuntu-users.  Where does it say that ubuntu-users is solely for 
>technical questions?
>
>And how do I sign up for sounding?
>  
>
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder

I presume you meant sounder :-)

Regards,

Paul



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 07:34:47 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:34:47 +0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <43ABA1E6.2010503@telusplanet.net>
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On 12/23/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> Good evening!
>
>
> >      > Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying
> to
> >      > make a database for my company.
> >
> >     There's a lot to cover - database theory including normal forms,
> >     the SQL language, and then the quirks and features of MySQL.
> >
> >     Whichever book you choose, I suggest you install webmin and
> >     webmin-mysql as it's a convenient way of working hands-on with
> >     MySQL and will help to make the theory more concrete.
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking on something more on the
> > practical side. Im not a programmer or anything, I just want to know the
> > basics on how to make a database, so that if something goes wrong with
> > the ones we have I wont have to wait for the tech guys to come and fix
> > it. We dont have an IT team in the office so if there is an emergency I
> > have to get guys from another company to check it out.
>
> I've found a book called "SQL in Easy Steps" by Mike mcGrath to be quite
> useful. It is published by a British firm called Computer Step. Be
> forewarned, though. The book is command line oriented! The MySQL manual
> at Mysql's website is also quite interesting reading!
>
> Good luck and Merry Christmas!
>
> Rob
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Rob,

Thanks a lot.

Charles
--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 07:39:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:39:16 -0500
Subject: OT: Mysql
References: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>	<1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims><509d63b70512222207h3a6c02e5u81a37afdbe50d1d5@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <fishbroetchn.20hfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


you have to know that there is a huge difference between knowing the
database and  knowing sql. If you want to work on the theory of
databases and the structure of your companys database, or even set it
up you need to know more theoretical stuff and dont need sql at all.
its just a language.



if you just want to get data from your database learning the sql syntax
is plenty.



merry christmas fishbroetchn


-- 
fishbroetchn



From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 23 07:49:52 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:49:52 +0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <fishbroetchn.20hfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <509d63b70512222144j2c1b7f23l991638ce89e66e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135317648.16835.404.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<509d63b70512222207h3a6c02e5u81a37afdbe50d1d5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<fishbroetchn.20hfom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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On 12/23/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> you have to know that there is a huge difference between knowing the
> database and  knowing sql. If you want to work on the theory of
> databases and the structure of your companys database, or even set it
> up you need to know more theoretical stuff and dont need sql at all.
> its just a language.
>
>
>
> if you just want to get data from your database learning the sql syntax
> is plenty.
>
>
>
> merry christmas fishbroetchn
>
>
> --
> fishbroetchn
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


Thanks and Merry Christmas to you too.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 07:55:03 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:55:03 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135317304.16835.399.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135142249.16835.194.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135233098.16835.239.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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On 12/23/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> "mdadm -F" is in /etc/init.d/mdadm so that it's started
> automatically at boot time.

My bad, you're right on that one.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 07:59:19 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:59:19 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512222355x578640a8pd0e20fcf265ee1e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee970b290512212207n39c1d698u@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/23/05, Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> > "mdadm -F" is in /etc/init.d/mdadm so that it's started
> > automatically at boot time.
>
> My bad, you're right on that one.

Looking quickly at the manpage though reveals that a small tweak to
/etc/init.d/mdadm would avert any problems, just give the -p flag as
well with a suitable argument, and you *still* don't need an MTA.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Fri Dec 23 08:18:32 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:18:32 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512222359g1cc53445u73a794ada0aeb688@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
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	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:59, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Looking quickly at the manpage though reveals that a small tweak to
> /etc/init.d/mdadm would avert any problems, just give the -p flag as
> well with a suitable argument, and you *still* don't need an MTA.

The suitable argument has to refer to a suitable program.  Which
suitable program were you thinking of?  Does the suitable program
handle both local notification (for home PC's and people in
deserts) and remote notification (for schools and businesses)?

--Mike




From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 08:35:04 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:35:04 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <1135325911.16835.437.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
	<515e525f0512220107icb92da7n453fb3daa5bdc5fe@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/23/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:59, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> > Looking quickly at the manpage though reveals that a small tweak to
> > /etc/init.d/mdadm would avert any problems, just give the -p flag as
> > well with a suitable argument, and you *still* don't need an MTA.
>
> The suitable argument has to refer to a suitable program.  Which
> suitable program were you thinking of?  Does the suitable program
> handle both local notification (for home PC's and people in
> deserts) and remote notification (for schools and businesses)?

Don't care as we are talking about a default install
(Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu) here, so only local notification comes into
play. And no, I have not bothered finding a program that is the
suitable argument to the -p flag, because that is beside the point.

Edubuntu and the Ubuntu Server installs may well want to use the -m
flag instead, and have an MTA pulled in, but that would be up to them
to have their default conf set it up.

Regards,

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 10:02:45 2005
From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:02:45 +0000
Subject: Samba bug
In-Reply-To: <1135301039.8897.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135266663.5722.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<e40e29dd0512220833g46f88e0bu@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135301039.8897.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e40e29dd0512230202m3ab51d22s@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 16:33 +0000, Eamonn Sullivan wrote:
> > On 22/12/05, Giorgos <pinkisntwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Is samba badly broken in ubuntu or what?
> >
> > No, but Samba remains as difficult as ever to configure correctly. The
> > issue really is that Microsoft won't release low-level information
> > about it's networking, which means the developers have to
> > painstakingly reverse engineer it. Can you post your /etc/smb.conf
> > (with some obfuscated bits, if you want)?
> >
> Well here it is:
>

I'm no expert on samba and have had problems in the past, primarily
with Windows XP *Home*, which seems to be more troublesome than Pro.

Anyway, my situtation is I have Breezy (dist-upgraded in stages since
the first release of Warty), a PC with Windows XP (Home), a
work-related Thinkpad with XP Pro and an iMac G5 (OS X 10.4). They all
can connect to each other. The kids type CMD-K or something on the Mac
to get to their home directory on Breezy (smb://breezy/homes). On
Breezy, they use Connect to Server under the Places menu to connect to
their home directory on the Mac and I've mapped a drive to a share on
Breezy for the Windows XP Home PC. The two printers in the house are
shared by the Mac to Windows and Linux.

The kids know how to run smbpasswd on Breezy to create or change their
samba accounts (the have the same usernames on all of them, and
probably use the same really bad passwords on all, too -- these are
teenages, after all).

These are the configuration parameters that differ from yours. I don't
know how many or which are necessary:

server string = %h server (Samba, Ubuntu)
wins support = yes
   security = user  (this is commented out in yours)
guest account = nobody (again, this is commented out, and probably
should be in mine.)
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192

# I doubt these are necessary, but they don't break my set up:
 domain master = yes
 preferred master = yes
 local master = yes

My home directory shares are set up like this:
[homes]
   comment = Home Directories
   browseable = no
   writable = yes
   create mask = 0700
   directory mask = 0700

And I have a wide-open dumping ground share like this:
[shared]
	path = /home/shared
	read only = no
	guest ok = yes
	available = yes
	browseable = yes
	public = yes
	writable = yes

That's it. I hope that helps.

-Eamonn

>
>
> #
> # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
> #
> #
> # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
> # smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
> # here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options most of which
> # are not shown in this example
> #
> # Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)
> # is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
> # for commentary and a ; for parts of the config file that you
> # may wish to enable
> #
> # NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command
> # "testparm" to check that you have not many any basic syntactic
> # errors.
> #
>
> #======================= Global Settings =======================
>
> [global]
>
> ## Browsing/Identification ###
>
> # Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain name your Samba server will
> part of
>    workgroup = MSHOME
>
> # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field
>    server string = GIORGOS1
>
> # Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section:
> # WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable its WINS
> Server
> ;   wins support = no
>
> # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client
> # Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT
> both
> ;   wins server = w.x.y.z
>
> # This will prevent nmbd to search for NetBIOS names through DNS.
>    dns proxy = no
>
> # What naming service and in what order should we use to resolve host
> names
> # to IP addresses
> ;   name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
>
>
> #### Debugging/Accounting ####
>
> # This tells Samba to use a separate log file for each machine
> # that connects
>    log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>
> # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb).
>    max log size = 1000
>
> # If you want Samba to only log through syslog then set the following
> # parameter to 'yes'.
> ;   syslog only = no
>
> # We want Samba to log a minimum amount of information to syslog.
> Everything
> # should go to /var/log/samba/log.{smbd,nmbd} instead. If you want to
> log
> # through syslog you should set the following parameter to something
> higher.
>    syslog = 0
>
> # Do something sensible when Samba crashes: mail the admin a backtrace
>    panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
>
>
> ####### Authentication #######
>
> # "security = user" is always a good idea. This will require a Unix
> account
> # in this server for every user accessing the server. See
> # /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/ServerType.html in the samba-doc
> # package for details.
> ;   security = user
>
> # You may wish to use password encryption.  See the section on
> # 'encrypt passwords' in the smb.conf(5) manpage before enabling.
>    encrypt passwords = true
>
> # If you are using encrypted passwords, Samba will need to know what
> # password database type you are using.
>    passdb backend = tdbsam guest
>
>    obey pam restrictions = yes
>
> ;   guest account = nobody
>    invalid users = root
>
> # This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the
> Unix
> # password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
> # passdb is changed.
> ;   unix password sync = no
>
> # For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the
> following
> # parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton
> <aluton at hybrigenics.fr> for
> # sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian
> Potato).
>    passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
>    passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\sUNIX
> \spassword:* %n\n .
>
> # This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
> # when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
> # 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
> ;   pam password change = no
>
>
> ########## Printing ##########
>
> # If you want to automatically load your printer list rather
> # than setting them up individually then you'll need this
> ;   load printers = yes
>
> # lpr(ng) printing. You may wish to override the location of the
> # printcap file
> ;   printing = bsd
> ;   printcap name = /etc/printcap
>
> # CUPS printing.  See also the cupsaddsmb(8) manpage in the
> # cupsys-client package.
> ;   printing = cups
> ;   printcap name = cups
>
> # When using [print$], root is implicitly a 'printer admin', but you can
> # also give this right to other users to add drivers and set printer
> # properties
> ;   printer admin = @ntadmin
>
>
> ######## File sharing ########
>
> # Name mangling options
> ;   preserve case = yes
> ;   short preserve case = yes
>
>
> ############ Misc ############
>
> # Using the following line enables you to customise your configuration
> # on a per machine basis. The %m gets replaced with the netbios name
> # of the machine that is connecting
> ;   include = /home/samba/etc/smb.conf.%m
>
> # Most people will find that this option gives better performance.
> # See smb.conf(5) and /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/speed.html
> # for details
> # You may want to add the following on a Linux system:
> #         SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>    socket options = TCP_NODELAY
>
> # The following parameter is useful only if you have the linpopup
> package
> # installed. The samba maintainer and the linpopup maintainer are
> # working to ease installation and configuration of linpopup and samba.
> ;   message command = /bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/linpopup "%f" "%m" %s; rm %s'
> &
>
> # Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. If this
> # machine will be configured as a BDC (a secondary logon server), you
> # must set this to 'no'; otherwise, the default behavior is recommended.
> ;   domain master = auto
>
> # Some defaults for winbind (make sure you're not using the ranges
> # for something else.)
> ;   idmap uid = 10000-20000
> ;   idmap gid = 10000-20000
> ;   template shell = /bin/bash
>
> #======================= Share Definitions =======================
>
> wins support = no
> [homes]
>    comment = Home Directories
>    browseable = no
>
> # By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change next
> # parameter to 'yes' if you want to be able to write to them.
>    writable = no
>
> # File creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
> # create files with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
>    create mask = 0700
>
> # Directory creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you
> want to
> # create dirs. with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
>    directory mask = 0700
>
> # Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain
> Logons
> # (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
> ;[netlogon]
> ;   comment = Network Logon Service
> ;   path = /home/samba/netlogon
> ;   guest ok = yes
> ;   writable = no
> ;   share modes = no
>
> [printers]
>    comment = All Printers
>    browseable = no
>    path = /tmp
>    printable = yes
>    public = no
>    writable = no
>    create mode = 0700
>
> # Windows clients look for this share name as a source of downloadable
> # printer drivers
> [print$]
>    comment = Printer Drivers
>    path = /var/lib/samba/printers
>    browseable = yes
>    read only = yes
>    guest ok = no
> # Uncomment to allow remote administration of Windows print drivers.
> # Replace 'ntadmin' with the name of the group your admin users are
> # members of.
> ;   write list = root, @ntadmin
>
> # A sample share for sharing your CD-ROM with others.
> ;[cdrom]
> ;   comment = Samba server's CD-ROM
> ;   writable = no
> ;   locking = no
> ;   path = /cdrom
> ;   public = yes
>
> # The next two parameters show how to auto-mount a CD-ROM when the
> #       cdrom share is accesed. For this to work /etc/fstab must contain
> #       an entry like this:
> #
> #       /dev/scd0   /cdrom  iso9660 defaults,noauto,ro,user   0 0
> #
> # The CD-ROM gets unmounted automatically after the connection to the
> #
> # If you don't want to use auto-mounting/unmounting make sure the CD
> #       is mounted on /cdrom
> #
> ;   preexec = /bin/mount /cdrom
> ;   postexec = /bin/umount /cdrom
>
>
> [music]
> path = /home/giorgos/windows/d/music
> comment = music
> available = yes
> browseable = yes
> public = yes
> writable = no
>
> [incoming]
> path = /home/giorgos/windows/fat/incoming
> comment = incoming
> available = yes
> browseable = yes
> public = yes
> writable = yes
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From glabelle at optimized.org  Fri Dec 23 10:50:22 2005
From: glabelle at optimized.org (Gabriel Labelle)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:50:22 +0100
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051223115022.hdl560zs30eyoowk@webmail.optimized.org>

Hello all,

After using a how-to we can find at
http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10 in order to setup my
personal hosting server, I was wondering if it wouldn't be possible to simply
include a meta-package that would easily install and create a complete ?ISP
setup? on Ubuntu server.

Maybe this has been discussed already, but a LAMP setup including a DNS, FTP,
mail server and a free web-hosting control panel would be really nice as
companies and users could simply install this package and answer a few debconf
questions (or use a configuration file?) to have their servers up and running.

Another problem is that a lot of people are asking all the time what they should
use for their servers. For example, *BSD vs. Linux? and if Linux, which
distribution? Then it comes to which mail or ftp server to use, etc. But I
guess, most of them would simply use what has been chosen ?for them? by the
Ubuntu team, as long as it's easy to install and integrates well "out of the
box".

This possibility could make Ubuntu their server platform of choice for the same
reasons Ubuntu has now been the desktop of choice for a lot of people.

Many thanks.
Gabriel Labelle




From glabelle at optimized.org  Fri Dec 23 11:00:01 2005
From: glabelle at optimized.org (Gabriel Labelle)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:00:01 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Server - A meta-package to provide a complete ISP setup?
	(Replacing previous mail without object)
Message-ID: <20051223120001.t4rcojpr0v4kc8gw@webmail.optimized.org>

Hello all,

After using a how-to we can find at
http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10 in order to setup my
personal hosting server, I was wondering if it wouldn't be possible to simply
include a meta-package that would easily install and create a complete ?ISP
setup? on Ubuntu server.

Maybe this has been discussed already, but a LAMP setup including a DNS, FTP,
mail server and a free web-hosting control panel would be really nice as
companies and users could simply install this package and answer a few debconf
questions (or use a configuration file?) to have their servers up and running.

Another problem is that a lot of people are asking all the time what they should
use for their servers. For example, *BSD vs. Linux? and if Linux, which
distribution? Then it comes to which mail or ftp server to use, etc. But I
guess, most of them would simply use what has been chosen ?for them? by the
Ubuntu team, as long as it's easy to install and integrates well "out of the
box".

This possibility could make Ubuntu their server platform of choice for the same
reasons Ubuntu has now been the desktop of choice for a lot of people.

Many thanks.
Gabriel Labelle




From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Fri Dec 23 12:39:27 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:39:27 +0100
Subject: Community Council meeting 20 dec 2005
Message-ID: <1135341567.8774.3.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

[Followups to this mail should go to sounder at lists.ubuntu.com!]

First of all sorry for my absence, I had some personal issues to attend
to and even was AWOL for a few days.

Wiki Licensing
==============
The content of the wiki currently is unlicensed. In the future all new
wiki content will be licensend under the Creative Commons Public Domain
Dedication. This is technically not a license. More info can be found on
http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain 
Authors of existing pages will be contacted and asked to agree with
this.

IRC Team
========
There has been some discussion about an IRC team, which mainly was about
IRC operators being unavailable. There was no clear result from this
discussion yet and I'd like to add my 2 cents:

* There are logbots already, information about them and the channels 
  can be found on wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
* The channel operators can be located via chanserv. If no one is 
  available urgent requests can be routed via the Ubuntu/Freenode 
  contact to Freenode  staff.

New members
===========
Lucas Nussbaum has been testing and using Ubuntu since it was called
no-name-yet and is currently active with the MOTU. He is also interested
in clusters and grids and has been introduced to server god fabbione.
Welcome in the Ubuntu Members team, Lucas.

Irvin Piraman has been active in various teams, including Edubuntu,
Ubuntu-PH, the GIS team and the Tagalog translation team. For this he
has been welcomed aboard the Ubuntu ship.

-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
  - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
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From paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 23 12:54:55 2005
From: paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk (paul cooke)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:54:55 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <200512231254.55454.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Thursday 22 December 2005 20:52, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> > <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> > Rank	Distribution	Hits Per Day
> > 1	Ubuntu	2739
> > 2	SUSE	1891
> > 3	Mandriva	1801
> > 4	Fedora	1030
>
> Eric,
>
> Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
> views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
> Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
> have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
> not actually running Ubuntu yet.
>
> It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
> server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
> that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.
>
> I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
> -brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
> (To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
> office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)
>
>   PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
>   Linux                0.13%
>   Macintosh            3.08%
>   SunOS                0.01%
>   Other               96.78%
>
>
>   PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
>   Debian                3.7%
>   Fedora                0.1%
>   Mandrake              0.0%
>   Mandriva              2.2%
>   Redhat                0.0%
>   SUSE                  0.2%
>   Ubuntu                5.7%
>   Anonymous            88.4%
>
> It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
> Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
> Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
> and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.
>
> I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
> Firefox or Konqueror:
>
>   PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
>   Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
>   Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
>   SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
>   Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
>   Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
>   Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%
>
> >From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
>
> is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.
>
> As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
> them.
>
> --Mike Bird

try these:

http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php

not based on web page hits but actual machines registered by users.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 12:57:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500
Subject: Forking (was Ubuntu Under Attack)
References: <200512210930.55644.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk><43AA2431.4080402@angrykeyboarder.com><77520bee0512220455g2187f4a0q5a3386977ee6078@mail.gmail.com><Gowator.20g78m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<515e525f0512220751pedacbfbi525e71c605951dd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Gowator.20huhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Anders Karlsson Wrote: 
> On 12/22/05, 'Forum Post <ulist (AT) gs1 (DOT) ubuntuforums.org> wrote:

> > However I think

> > > Just to be clear, I'll say it again, for the record. We don't aim
> for

> > > "binary compatibility" with any other distribution.

> > Is not what we are talking about.... even deb-src compatibility ?

> 

> *binary* compatibility.. *binary*.. think about it..

> 

> --

> Anders Karlsson <trudheim (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users





I am thinking, 

If the libraries for Ubuntu are labelled differently then you can't
compile against them and some of them seem a little trivial.  Why do we
need an Ubuntu specific aspell-sv ?  Why indeed do we need an Ubuntu
specific cupsys  ... because it needs hacking for the sudo? but it
introduces a bug which I doubt will be fixed in the
/etc/cups/cupsd.conf



Or why a specific libncurses ... I mean the version is pretty trivial
.. it only ncurses afterall.  



Basically its a decision to deviate from Debian as possible not a
decision to deviate when they have to.  Because of the way dep tree's
work it will propogate and eventually end up with every part of the
distro different in some way.  



Thus the non-binary parts start to deviate also.... 



Like I say I think its more "we can't have 100% binary com+patibility
so we won't try and be compatible"  not "We can't have 100% binary
compatibility but we will try where possible"


-- 
Gowator



From paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 23 13:00:47 2005
From: paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk (paul cooke)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:00:47 +0000
Subject: hp laserjet 1200
In-Reply-To: <1135278773.8203.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43A7EDC8.6030704@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135278773.8203.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512231300.47690.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Thursday 22 December 2005 19:12, mjewell wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:40 +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> > Have you used the HPLIP drivers or the ones which came with Ubuntu. If
> > you're using the standard ones,then change to the HPLIP drivers. You can
> > get them from hpinkjet.sourceforge.net
>
> THANK YOU!  It sounds like I am using the wrong driver.  I haven't
> changed drivers before using Ubuntu.  Are there instructions for getting
> the package from Sourcefourge and installing it automatically or does it
> need to be done from a terminal?

the instructions are here:

http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php

and yes, you will need to get down and dirty with a command prompt ;)

note, for the debian instructions, use sudo before every command that requires 
root. sudo don't work in Ubuntu unless you've set a root password.



From mrmazda at ij.net  Fri Dec 23 13:28:09 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:28:09 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<200512231254.55454.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43ABFB69.2283@ij.net>

paul cooke wrote:
 
> http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php
 
> not based on web page hits but actual machines registered by users.
 
I have to believe distros supported/installed by IBM Support Services
(RedHat/Fedora/SuSE, IIRC) and other large vendor/support organizations
are grossly underrepresented there.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From burner at suppressingfire.org  Fri Dec 23 13:55:36 2005
From: burner at suppressingfire.org (Michael R. Head)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:55:36 -0500
Subject: Konila Magicolor 2430DL
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512222115y12931f01y31df913ecb51345b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512222115y12931f01y31df913ecb51345b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135346137.11031.5.camel@phoenix>

On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 13:15 +0800, Charles Yao wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Our company was being offered a Konica printer by a supplier, on its
> website it shows that it runs on linux. IHas anyone used this printer
> on Ubuntu before. Your feedback is much appreciated. 

I always check linuxprinting.org before buying a printer:

http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Minolta-magicolor_2430_DL

> Charles
> 
> -- 
> "It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
> sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable
> of doing the thing it was bought to do"
-- 
Michael R. Head <burner at suppressingfire.org>
GPG: http://www.suppressingfire.org/~burner/gpg.key.txt [0x4C9DA1D0]
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From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Fri Dec 23 14:06:07 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:06:07 +0100
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
In-Reply-To: <20051222222859.GC20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
	<20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1135258902.10066.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<20051222222859.GC20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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Am Freitag, den 23.12.2005, 09:28 +1100 schrieb David:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:41:42PM +0100, ulrich steffens wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 15:39 +1100 schrieb David:
> > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:11:19PM +1100, Peter Lieverdink wrote:
> > > > David wrote:
> > > > > Hoary/postfix worked great for local mail delivery. After upgrade to 
> > > > > Breezy, postfix seems to have got reconfigured (not removed) so that it 
> > > > > silently queues all email. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > /var/log/mail.err says:
> > > > > Dec 22 13:41:50 localhost postfix/master[15812]: fatal: 
> > > > > /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1:smtp
> > > > > 
> > > > > /etc/postfix/master.cf says:
> > > > > 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > 
> > > > > /etc/postfix/main.cf says:
> > > > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
> > > > > myhostname = test.kenpro.com.au
> > > > > 
> > > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hostname
> > > > > test
> > > > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > > > search kenpro.com.au
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have no idea where the line 
> > > > > ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
> > > > > in master.cf comes from, but by commenting it out and restarting postfix, 
> > > > > all my queued mail was instantly delivered, so that must be the culprit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong?
> > > > 
> > > > You disabled ipv6 support :-)
> > > > 
> > > > ::1 is 'localhost' in ipv6 format. Do you have an entry like:
> > > > 
> > > > "::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
> > > > 
> > > > in /etc/hosts?
> > > > 
> > > > By not loading the ipv6 module, postfix can't listen on that address,
> > > > and thus fails. Commenting it out like you say you did is a safe solution.
> > > ___________________________________
> > > david at test:~ $ cat /etc/hosts
> > > <snip>
> > > # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> > > # (added automatically by netbase upgrade)
> > > 
> > > ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
> > > fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> > > ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> > > ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> > > ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> > > ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
> > > __________________________________
> > > 
> > > I'm curious how this would have come about. I'm happy to leave ipv6 
> > > disabled but does this constitute a bug? given that all I did was 
> > > hoary->breezy upgrade.
> > > 
> > > What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your answer.
> > > 
> > > David.
> > > 
> > does '/etc/modprobe.d/aliases' contain a line like
> > 	alias net-pf-10 ipv6
> > or does it say
> > 	alias net-pf-10 off
> > 
> 
> 
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
> 
well, then i'm out because of no clues where to look ;)

ulrich
-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From matt.egger at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 14:13:27 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:13:27 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <20051222235007.D054543EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051222235007.D054543EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <f696c090512230613ua009070hd2e8345b86808bc8@mail.gmail.com>

FYI


http://www.gimpshop.net/


On 12/22/05, Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> Somebody has done this already ... Would have to search for it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sasha Tsykin" <stsykin at gmail.com>
> To: imre.tuske at gmail.com, ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100
>
> >
> > Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui
> > for the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as
> > possible. Just my two cents.
> >
> > -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From matt at v8zman.com  Fri Dec 23 15:28:23 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:28:23 -0500
Subject: Where should I send my breezy upgrade notes
Message-ID: <43AC1797.2070002@v8zman.com>

I just upgraded yesterday from hoary to breezy. Overall things went 
well. I have endless numbers of odd packages installed, so I am 
impressed. There were a couple of hitches. More importantly though, I 
took down a log of the process and was wondering where I should send it? 
I assume someone collects that information?

Good job developers! I like breezy!

Matt





From stsykin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 16:02:32 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:02:32 +1100
Subject: media players for ubuntu
Message-ID: <43AC1F98.8060107@optusnet.com.au>

add the universe and multiverse repositories to apt-get and then just 
install all the media players you want.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 16:04:01 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:04:01 +1100
Subject: Single user mode
Message-ID: <43AC1FF1.2040607@optusnet.com.au>

Either change the default runlevel to 1 in /etc/inittab or else type 
sudo init 1 after boot.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 16:11:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:11:05 -0500
Subject: Ndiswrapper & default gateway on boot / un-hibernate
References: <1134728666.12994.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051216183427.ba335dc1.monotux@gmail.com>
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Oscar Wrote: 
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:24:26 +0100

> frank <info (AT) bolzo (DOT) it> wrote:

> 

> > Hi all.

> > I've got two problem with ubuntu 5.10:

> > 

> > a) On boot i put my pcmcia wifi card before turn on the pc.
> Ndiswrapper

> > seems to be load correctly but the default gateway isn't set to the

> > correct interface (it's set to eth0 instead wlan0). How correct
> this,

> > making the default gateway is set by the interface that is working

> > (sometimes eth0, sometimes wlan0) ?

> 

> I assume you used System -> Administration -> Network to setup you
> network.

> There is a drop down menu in that program where you select your default
> gateway.

> 

> Oscar

> 



I have a similar problems. I've got an HP ze2308wm with a Broadcom 4318
wireless built-in. When I first install it via ndiswrapper, everything
is fine. However...



1. If I suspend and resume, wlan0 doesn't come back.



2. If I disable wlan0 (when I've only got wired access) and then reboot
(or suspend), wlan0 no longer shows up in ifconfig or the network
settings gui. I've got to delete and then re-install it into
ndiswrapper (I use the ndiswrapper gui to do that).



3. I cannot get the default gateway to stay changed. For example, if I
make the default eth0, the next time I go into the configuration, it
still says wlan0.



4. I've tried to get multiple locations to work, but no luck. It
doesn't seem to remember which location I've created, seeming to go
back to the default values no matter what I put in for the location.



5. My laptop has a special button that is supposed to disable/enable
the wireless device. It works great disabling, but fails miserably when
I push it again to enable the device.



Any tips?

Thanks,

Mark

- running Breezy on HP ze2308wm laptop


-- 
mark541



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 16:24:37 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:24:37 -0500
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
References: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


don't trust the old config. I don't think it is compiled in. It would be
useful to have /proc/config.gz to see what the compiled in config was of
the running kernel, but this isn't compiled in, either...


-- 
waster



From davidbteague at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 16:44:01 2005
From: davidbteague at verizon.net (David Teague(T-bird acct))
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:44:01 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu is under attack
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512230035k721122bej45e37357a7152816@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512190812y58a23173hdbd64f6e05195496@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1135273935.16835.251.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
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	<dofa47$11p$1@sea.gmane.org>
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	<1135317304.16835.399.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<515e525f0512222355x578640a8pd0e20fcf265ee1e4@mail.gmail.com>
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Anders Karlsson wrote:

>On 12/23/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 23:59, Anders Karlsson wrote:
>>    
>>
>>><SNIP>
>>>      
>>>

I have read this thread for several days. Would someone
please give a better summary of why Ubuntu is under attack?

As near as I can tell, there are some programs that are not
included in the Ubuntu CDs and this is said to be "dumbing
down" Ubuntu.

David Teague

-- David Teague, cs.wcu.edu/~dbt -- Advocating Free Software and Double 
Bass tuned in fifths -- Classical Bass www.dennismasuzzo.com; 
www.silviodallatorre.com; www.joelquarrington.com -- Jazz Upright Bass 
Red Mitchell, home.teleport.com/~mimuma/; www.larryholloway.com/;




From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Fri Dec 23 16:59:56 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:59:56 +0100
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
In-Reply-To: <waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On vr, 2005-12-23 at 11:24 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> don't trust the old config. I don't think it is compiled in. It would be
> useful to have /proc/config.gz to see what the compiled in config was of
> the running kernel, but this isn't compiled in, either...

/boot/config-$(uname -r)
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
  - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Fri Dec 23 17:20:46 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:20:46 +0100
Subject: Where should I send my breezy upgrade notes
In-Reply-To: <43AC1797.2070002@v8zman.com>
References: <43AC1797.2070002@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <1135358447.9555.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On vr, 2005-12-23 at 10:28 -0500, Matt Patterson wrote:
> I just upgraded yesterday from hoary to breezy. Overall things went 
> well. I have endless numbers of odd packages installed, so I am 
> impressed. There were a couple of hitches. More importantly though, I 
> took down a log of the process and was wondering where I should send it? 
> I assume someone collects that information?

Posting it to ubuntu-devel is a good start.
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
  - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
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From Thomas.Karnes at hp.com  Fri Dec 23 18:50:38 2005
From: Thomas.Karnes at hp.com (Thomas Karnes)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:50:38 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512221736q75d8ee86o6a8594dc9f1bfefd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1134473019.9113.15.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<20051215235307.GB12926@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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Message-ID: <1135363838.7686.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

What's the trick to get off this user group discussion mary-go-round;-)

Tom

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 20:36 -0500, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> Really, this is sounder material!
> 
> On 12/22/05, Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> > > <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> > > Rank  Distribution    Hits Per Day
> > > 1     Ubuntu  2739
> > > 2     SUSE    1891
> > > 3     Mandriva        1801
> > > 4     Fedora  1030
> >
> > Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
> > views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
> > Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
> > have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
> > not actually running Ubuntu yet.
> 
> I believe I did not state usage, now did I ;-)?
> 
> > It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
> > server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
> > that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.
> 
> Plus, popular perception is that Ubuntu is not targeted at a server
> release so it wouldn't be at all accurate to extrapolate from server
> to desktop.
> 
> > I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
> > -brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
> > (To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
> > office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
> >   Linux                0.13%
> >   Macintosh            3.08%
> >   SunOS                0.01%
> >   Other               96.78%
> 
> How come no breakdown by Other? What % of Macintosh and Linux agents
> report as Windows agents?
> 
> >   PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
> >   Debian                3.7%
> >   Fedora                0.1%
> >   Mandrake              0.0%
> >   Mandriva              2.2%
> >   Redhat                0.0%
> >   SUSE                  0.2%
> >   Ubuntu                5.7%
> >   Anonymous            88.4%
> 
> Are you lumping Ubuntu and Kubuntu together here?
> 
> > It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
> > Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
> > Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
> > and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.
> >
> > I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
> > Firefox or Konqueror:
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
> >   Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
> >   Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
> >   SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
> >   Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
> >   Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
> >   Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%
> 
> Seems a little suspicious that Kubuntu (arguably more crude than
> Ubuntu) would out-number Ubuntu 7 to 1 (can you draw that
> conclusion... do the user agents self-identify as Kubuntu and
> Ubuntu?).
> 
> > >From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
> > is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.
> 
> You may consider yourself unbiased (and, I don't doubt you analysed
> them in as fair a manner as possible), however, it is questionable
> whether the underlying data was representative.
> 
> Your demographic was reportedly "young", can you be sure that all user
> agents are recorded properly, and, that the user agents self-report
> accurately (as you yourself partially recognise with the "Other" list
> above... unless you're avoiding mentioning Windows on purpose, with I
> don't think)?
> 
> I question your conclusion about the popularity of Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu.
> In the identified Linux visits, you have a 20.3% to 75% Konq vs. FF
> ratio. However, you report 5.9% Konq/Kubuntu vs 0.8% FF/Ubuntu.
> 
> Anyway, there are too many questions still about your analysis. The
> one thing I do find informative is that Ubuntu is the most common
> _identified_ Linux!
> 
> > As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
> > them.
> 
> Absolutely! A wider selection of web sites would be helpful, but, what
> would be more interesting would be to have a non self-selecting survey
> of what computer users run (given that browsers mask their identity,
> estimates of platform usage can never be more than crude guesses (more
> so than normal surveys)).
> 
> Your quick-n-dirty analysis raises more questions than it answers, but
> that is a good thing.
> 
> Eric.
> 




From patiodragon at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 18:57:25 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:57:25 -0500
Subject: firefox and video plugin
In-Reply-To: <86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com> <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>
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On 12/22/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Your help is very much appreciated.
>
> Unfortunately breezy comes with firefox 1.0.7 which has empty file type
> list and thus change action button is disabled.
>
Hi Leon,

I find the same problem and had not discovered it because I added all
of the extra funtionality through the Synaptec package manager
(mplayer, etc).  I am able to edit this on my Windows version but not
in Ubuntu? <*shrug shoulders*>.

--
http://kimbriggs.com



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 23 18:48:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:48:15 -0500
Subject: Random firefox closing and logouts
References: <3ef62d1005050904237905386e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1115647232.2850.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <fordp.20ib5z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have had simalar issues.

I changed my keyboard and it is much better, but my machine still shuts
down sometimes without me wanting it too.

Has it ever shutdown while unattended ?
Have you tried a different keyboard ?

Merry Christmas !


-- 
fordp



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 23 16:53:43 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:53:43 -0400
Subject: Breezy borked postfix (seriously!)
References: <20051222030408.GB272@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<43AA2767.8040004@cafuego.net>
	<20051222043914.GB16956@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1135258902.10066.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
	<20051222222859.GC20485@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<1135346767.9751.2.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <nlmt73-fde.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

ulrich steffens wrote:

> Am Freitag, den 23.12.2005, 09:28 +1100 schrieb David:
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:41:42PM +0100, ulrich steffens wrote:
>> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.12.2005, 15:39 +1100 schrieb David:
>> > > What causes the ipv6 module to be loaded?
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > does '/etc/modprobe.d/aliases' contain a line like
>> > alias net-pf-10 ipv6
>> > or does it say
>> > alias net-pf-10 off
>> 
>> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
>> 
> well, then i'm out because of no clues where to look ;)

I could have sworn there was a switch in /proc/net somewhere, but I can't
find it now.
-- 
derek




From matt at v8zman.com  Fri Dec 23 20:58:27 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:58:27 -0500
Subject: Where should I send my breezy upgrade notes
In-Reply-To: <1135358447.9555.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <43AC1797.2070002@v8zman.com>
	<1135358447.9555.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <43AC64F3.90302@v8zman.com>

I am not a member of ubuntu-devel. Is that a mailing list, website?

Matt



Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:

>On vr, 2005-12-23 at 10:28 -0500, Matt Patterson wrote:
>  
>
>>I just upgraded yesterday from hoary to breezy. Overall things went 
>>well. I have endless numbers of odd packages installed, so I am 
>>impressed. There were a couple of hitches. More importantly though, I 
>>took down a log of the process and was wondering where I should send it? 
>>I assume someone collects that information?
>>    
>>
>
>Posting it to ubuntu-devel is a good start.
>  
>

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From bike_oz at yahoo.com.au  Fri Dec 23 21:03:50 2005
From: bike_oz at yahoo.com.au (Russell Cook)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:03:50 +1100
Subject: Moving Ubuntu to a new hard drive
In-Reply-To: <1135318883.16835.424.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <1135317351.19314.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135318883.16835.424.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135371830.17879.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks Mike I wasn't sure if Rsync was the best tool.  A sudo Nautilus
works fine for the home partition, but with all the links and special
files a commandline tool is definitely need for /. I'll give it a burl.

Regards Russell

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 22:21 -0800, Mike Bird wrote: 

> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:55, Russell Cook wrote:
> > What I want to know is if there's a simple technique to move the root
> > and boot partitions to the new drive? I'm, happy enough to edit the
> > grub installation, but I'm not sure what's involved in maintaining
> > permissions when copying etc, dev, proc, sbin and other important and
> > special folders. Is there a tool or technique for this? 
> 
> With the new root mounted at /newroot,you can use
> "cp -vax / /newroot".  Mount the new boot at /newroot/boot
> and "cp -vax /boot /newroot/".  You may wonder why there's
> no boot on the end of that last command.  You can experiment
> on some small folders in /tmp if you want to figure it out.
> 
> The "-x" (or the "x" in "-vax") ensures that it only copies one
> filesystem at a time.
> 
> Or a cpio pipeline is kind of traditional.
> 
> However, I personally prefer using rsync.  I can use "-n" to
> see what it's going to do before I let it loose:
> "rsync -n -vax -H --delete / /newroot/".  When it looks
> like its going to do the right thing just run it again without
> the "-n".  Then "rsync -n -vaz -H --delete /boot/ /newroot/boot/".
> 
> You also need to get Grub or LILO working on the new drives.
> There's lots of different techniques.  If the system is not
> three thousand miles away just boot the CD in recovery mode,
> let it find your new root, chroot into it, mount your /boot
> in the jail if it's not already there, then run Grub or LILO.
> 
> --Mike Bird
> 
> 

Kind Regards Russell
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sales at windsorcycles.com.au
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Kind Regards Russell
==================
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sales at windsorcycles.com.au
ph. 02 4577 3209
bikes.no-ip.info
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From matt.t.galvin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:12:27 2005
From: matt.t.galvin at gmail.com (Matt Galvin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:12:27 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Server - A meta-package to provide a complete ISP setup?
	(Replacing previous mail without object)
In-Reply-To: <20051223120001.t4rcojpr0v4kc8gw@webmail.optimized.org>
References: <20051223120001.t4rcojpr0v4kc8gw@webmail.optimized.org>
Message-ID: <a2ce2a0e0512231312r68000104n18aa50112a1940c2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Gabriel Labelle <glabelle at optimized.org> wrote:
> I was wondering if it wouldn't be possible to simply
> include a meta-package that would easily install and create a complete ?ISP
> setup? on Ubuntu server.
>
> Gabriel Labelle

This is precisely part of what I originally meant:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServer

to be, although I have not had time to work on it due to other
projects. Although its not a completed project at this time, you may
find some useful ideas there.

Hope this helps,

Matt

--
Matt T. Galvin
matt.t.galvin at gmail.com
irc://mgalvin at irc.freenode.net
http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/matt/
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From matt.t.galvin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:15:10 2005
From: matt.t.galvin at gmail.com (Matt Galvin)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:15:10 -0500
Subject: Where should I send my breezy upgrade notes
In-Reply-To: <43AC64F3.90302@v8zman.com>
References: <43AC1797.2070002@v8zman.com>
	<1135358447.9555.4.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<43AC64F3.90302@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <a2ce2a0e0512231315w1e82fb81hf022b64499c3fa28@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Matt Patterson <matt at v8zman.com> wrote:
>  I am not a member of ubuntu-devel. Is that a mailing list, website?
>
>  Matt

Its the developers mailing list. You can sign up for it in the same
place you signed up for this list. Here is a direct link to it:

http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel

Hope this helps,

Matt G

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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Fri Dec 23 22:33:10 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:33:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: hp laserjet 1200
In-Reply-To: <200512231300.47690.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <43A7EDC8.6030704@optusnet.com.au><1135278773.8203.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200512231300.47690.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31968.213.237.42.134.1135377190.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On Thursday 22 December 2005 19:12, mjewell wrote:
>> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:40 +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
>> > Have you used the HPLIP drivers or the ones which came with Ubuntu. If
>> > you're using the standard ones,then change to the HPLIP drivers. You
>> can
>> > get them from hpinkjet.sourceforge.net
>> THANK YOU!  It sounds like I am using the wrong driver.  I haven't
>> changed drivers before using Ubuntu.  Are there instructions for getting
>> the package from Sourcefourge and installing it automatically or does it
>> need to be done from a terminal?
> the instructions are here:
> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php
> and yes, you will need to get down and dirty with a command prompt ;)

But you can do it more easy using this description from:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HpPscHpPhotosmartSeriesAllInOnePrinters?highlight=%28printer%29

and you have the scanningprocess running like xsane at the same time!

Have fun

Phillip



From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 23:12:51 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:12:51 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512230613ua009070hd2e8345b86808bc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051222235007.D054543EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<f696c090512230613ua009070hd2e8345b86808bc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c743c460512231512q30cd8034k6af250ddfc8f8c81@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately that doesn't help Gimp being any better than about Photoshop
4.0 :/ It's still Gimp. Just a few examples:

- in Photoshop you don't have to care about layer boundaries (it
automatically extends if needed, etc), in Gimp you do. annoying annoying
annoying.
- I never really grasped the idea of "floating selection", except that it's
useless; fortunately it was removed long ago (from PS, not from Gimp).
- In PS, font layers can be edited WYSIWYG-style, and can be transformed
without converting it to bitmap first (basically it's like a vector layer);

Btw, Photoshop also had/has it's stupidities; they needed 8 versions to more
or less sort them out.

Actually, Gimp wouldn't need any major surgery, just some
small-but-practical improvements (like the above) to be a fully competent
competent :) Unfortunately just rearranging the menu layout (AFAIK Gimpshop
is only that) is not enough.


imre


On 12/23/05, Matt Egger <matt.egger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
> http://www.gimpshop.net/
>
>
> On 12/22/05, Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> > Somebody has done this already ... Would have to search for it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sasha Tsykin" <stsykin at gmail.com>
> > To: imre.tuske at gmail.com, ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100
> >
> > >
> > > Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui
> > > for the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as
> > > possible. Just my two cents.
> > >
> > > -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 23:33:43 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:33:43 +0100
Subject: multiple locatedb update entries in /etc/cron.daily
Message-ID: <3c743c460512231533k1ba1769coa4507531fb52803d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


I'm using Kubuntu 5.10, and I seem to have two entries for updating the
[s]locate database in /etc/cron.daily. They are "find.notslocate" and
"slocate", and apart from the practical implementation, they both seem to be
doing about the same thing. Any opinions? (Shouldn't I remove one of these
files?)

imre


--- contents of "find.notslocate" ---
#! /bin/sh
#
# cron script to update the `locatedb' database.
#
# Written by Ian A. Murdock <imurdock at debian.org> and
#            Kevin Dalley <kevin at aimnet.com>

LOCALUSER="nobody"
export LOCALUSER
if [ -f /etc/updatedb.conf ]; then
  . /etc/updatedb.conf
fi

if getent passwd $LOCALUSER > /dev/null ; then
  cd / && nice -n ${NICE:-10} updatedb 2>/dev/null
else
  echo "User $LOCALUSER does not exist."
  exit 1
fi

--- end ---


--- contents of "slocate" ---

#! /bin/sh

if [ -x /usr/bin/slocate ]
then
    if [ -f /etc/updatedb.conf ]
    then
        /usr/bin/updatedb
    else
        /usr/bin/updatedb -f proc
    fi
    chown root.slocate /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
fi

--- end ---


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From clintin at linuxmail.org  Fri Dec 23 23:59:24 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:59:24 -0700
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Message-ID: <20051223235924.8ED3F43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

I don't pretend to be a Gimp expert but I do know a few and they came from Photoshop.  They tend to put the Gimp on equal footing with PS. There are differences, but like Linux, there are different ways of accomplishing the same task, all involve some learning.  And you can't beat the price of the Gimp and that it is open source which is what enables folks like Scott Moschella's to do what he did in creating GimpShop. And in the opens source spirit, he releases the source so others can participate in its development.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Imre Tuske" 
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" 
Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:12:51 +0100

Unfortunately that doesn't help Gimp being any better than about Photoshop 4.0 :/ It's still Gimp. Just a few examples:

- in Photoshop you don't have to care about layer boundaries (it automatically extends if needed, etc), in Gimp you do. annoying annoying annoying.
- I never really grasped the idea of "floating selection", except that it's useless; fortunately it was removed long ago (from PS, not from Gimp).
- In PS, font layers can be edited WYSIWYG-style, and can be transformed without converting it to bitmap first (basically it's like a vector layer);

Btw, Photoshop also had/has it's stupidities; they needed 8 versions to more or less sort them out.

Actually, Gimp wouldn't need any major surgery, just some small-but-practical improvements (like the above) to be a fully competent competent :) Unfortunately just rearranging the menu layout (AFAIK Gimpshop is only that) is not enough.


imre



On 12/23/05, Matt Egger <matt.egger at gmail.com> wrote:
FYI


http://www.gimpshop.net/


On 12/22/05, Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> Somebody has done this already ... Would have to search for it. 
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sasha Tsykin" <stsykin at gmail.com>
> To: imre.tuske at gmail.com , ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100
>
> >
> > Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui 
> > for the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as
> > possible. Just my two cents.
> >
> > -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list 
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

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From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 00:58:04 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:58:04 +0100
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
In-Reply-To: <20051223235924.8ED3F43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051223235924.8ED3F43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <3c743c460512231658g5e6a58hd2b162dd5db73e69@mail.gmail.com>

I by no means wanted to degrade his (or anyone else's) work. If I had more
experience of opensource-style sw development, I'd contribute as well. The
OS "spirit" is a very respectable thing, indeed. But my opinion is that
unfortunately this kind of development is not really suited for graphics
programs: there doesn't seem to be many people who are experts in _both_
graphics and programming. But that's just personal opinion (I wish I was
wrong! :)).

imre


On 12/24/05, Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> I don't pretend to be a Gimp expert but I do know a few and they came from
> Photoshop.  They tend to put the Gimp on equal footing with PS. There are
> differences, but like Linux, there are different ways of accomplishing the
> same task, all involve some learning.  And you can't beat the price of the
> Gimp and that it is open source which is what enables folks like Scott
> Moschella's to do what he did in creating GimpShop. And in the opens source
> spirit, he releases the source so others can participate in its development.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Imre Tuske"
> To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions"
> Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:12:51 +0100
>
> Unfortunately that doesn't help Gimp being any better than about Photoshop
> 4.0 :/ It's still Gimp. Just a few examples:
>
> - in Photoshop you don't have to care about layer boundaries (it
> automatically extends if needed, etc), in Gimp you do. annoying annoying
> annoying.
> - I never really grasped the idea of "floating selection", except that
> it's useless; fortunately it was removed long ago (from PS, not from Gimp).
> - In PS, font layers can be edited WYSIWYG-style, and can be transformed
> without converting it to bitmap first (basically it's like a vector layer);
>
> Btw, Photoshop also had/has it's stupidities; they needed 8 versions to
> more or less sort them out.
>
> Actually, Gimp wouldn't need any major surgery, just some
> small-but-practical improvements (like the above) to be a fully competent
> competent :) Unfortunately just rearranging the menu layout (AFAIK Gimpshop
> is only that) is not enough.
>
>
> imre
>
>
>
> On 12/23/05, Matt Egger <matt.egger at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI
>
>
> http://www.gimpshop.net/
>
>
> On 12/22/05, Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> > Somebody has done this already ... Would have to search for it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sasha Tsykin" <stsykin at gmail.com>
> > To: imre.tuske at gmail.com , ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:35:51 +1100
> >
> > >
> > > Hey all, I don't know if you've heard but somebody is making a gui
> > > for the GIMP meant to be as close a match for photoshop as
> > > possible. Just my two cents.
> > >
> > > -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> > > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
>
> --
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> mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From ompaul at eircom.net  Sat Dec 24 02:44:09 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:44:09 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu is not under attack
Message-ID: <43ACB5F9.2090606@eircom.net>

Hi there,

Background, there has been a much longer thread than one this running on 
ubuntu users list :-)

I am posting a mail with this topic to the sounder list. All welcome.

Regards,

Paul O'Malley

PTHREAD dead!




From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 02:55:12 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:55:12 +0500
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <E1EpgJ7-0004I6-41@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EpgJ7-0004I6-41@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43ACB890.5010400@gmail.com>

Hi Charles,

Charles Yao <ccyao at greenleecp.com> wrote:

>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:44:37 +0800
>From: Charles Yao <ccyao at greenleecp.com>
>Subject: OT: Mysql
>
>Can you guys recommend any books on how to use mysql? Im trying to make a
>database for my company.
>  
>
If data manipulation is your interest then you can learn a (free & 
interactively!) lot about SQL from these websites:

http://www.sqlcourse.com
http://www.sqlcourse2.com

IMO, the best source of database management specific to MySQL is the 
http://www.mysql.com website itself as you'll find _all_ the 
[downloadable] documentation here.

--
Merry Christmas,

Asif




From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 03:08:01 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:08:01 -0300
Subject: Merry Christmas to you all!
Message-ID: <1135393681.6911.11.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

If you believe or not, have a happy day!
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 24 03:08:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:08:25 -0500
Subject: OT: Mysql
References: <E1EpgJ7-0004I6-41@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43ACB890.5010400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ninotob.20iyba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I spent about $60 on mysql books when I started.  Barely cracked them
after finding this:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/



And I just noticed these forums as well, probably a great resource:

http://forums.mysql.com/



You can get to all these from mysql's main page cited above ... but it
isn't exactly intuitive how to get there.  Thus the direct links.


-- 
ninotob



From wade at wadesmart.com  Sat Dec 24 03:25:18 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:25:18 -0600
Subject: Desktop to Laptop Networking
Message-ID: <43ACBF9E.5040000@wadesmart.com>

12232005 2118 GMT-5

I need a bit of help. The local high school network admin called me 
after installing Unbuntu 5.10 tonight in the main office. She said its 
on a cable connection to the net. She has a laptop with XP Pro, its a 
ThinkPad R50e. She wanted simply to allow Ubuntu and XP to see each 
other and exchange OpenOffice Files.

She couldnt email yet because she doesnt have Ubuntu set up completely 
yet to email. So, she called me and asked how to do this. I have no idea.

Would someone point me to a HOWTO on this.

Wade



From warlock at eskimo.com  Sat Dec 24 04:35:07 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:35:07 -0800
Subject: Desktop to Laptop Networking
In-Reply-To: <43ACBF9E.5040000@wadesmart.com>
References: <43ACBF9E.5040000@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135398907.8524.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 21:25 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12232005 2118 GMT-5
> 
> I need a bit of help. The local high school network admin called me 
> after installing Unbuntu 5.10 tonight in the main office. She said its 
> on a cable connection to the net. She has a laptop with XP Pro, its a 
> ThinkPad R50e. She wanted simply to allow Ubuntu and XP to see each 
> other and exchange OpenOffice Files.
> 
> She couldnt email yet because she doesnt have Ubuntu set up completely 
> yet to email. So, she called me and asked how to do this. I have no idea.
> 
> Would someone point me to a HOWTO on this.
> 
> Wade
> 

dunno about a howto, and I don't have an ms-windows machine to test this
with, but if you go to System->Administration->Shared Folders  and click
"Add" it will give you the option to install samba, (if not already
installed), once that is installed, you should be able to tell it what
folder you want to share, and it will work from there. 

Again, I haven't *tested* this, but it's worth a try. It seems top work
fine with my Linux boxen, I just haven't tested it with redmondware. 


-- 
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Every program expands until it can send mail. ...Except Exchange.
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From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Sat Dec 24 04:56:57 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:56:57 +0800
Subject: OT: Mysql
In-Reply-To: <ninotob.20iyba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <E1EpgJ7-0004I6-41@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43ACB890.5010400@gmail.com> <ninotob.20iyba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512232056v10f0fb68m3af1d5752e80fc3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/24/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> I spent about $60 on mysql books when I started.  Barely cracked them
> after finding this:
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/
>
>
>
> And I just noticed these forums as well, probably a great resource:
>
> http://forums.mysql.com/
>
>
>
> You can get to all these from mysql's main page cited above ... but it
> isn't exactly intuitive how to get there.  Thus the direct links.
>
>
> --
> ninotob
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

Thanks guys, this is a big help for me.

Charles

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sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
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From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec 24 07:56:04 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:56:04 -0800
Subject: change keyboard layouts through command line
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512191136i6e3e89ebo8d0b1832671c9f47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1abd6b930512191136i6e3e89ebo8d0b1832671c9f47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051224075604.GA29258@home.tig-grr.com>

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:06:23PM +0330, Mehdi Hassanpour wrote:
>    Hi Friends,
>    I'm looking  for a way to add a new layout (language) and then change
>    layout options through command line, can any one please help ?

Check out setxkbmap.  Examples:

  setxkbmap -layout dvorak

  setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc101 -layout dvorak,us,el -option grp:alt_shift_toggle

See "man setxkbmap" for more info.

HTH



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 10:42:54 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 05:42:54 -0500
Subject: cups-pdf
In-Reply-To: <1135238570.17459.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135238570.17459.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051224104254.GB11361@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="R S Gill" on Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:02:50AM EST>

> I installed cups-pdf but I cannot find the PDF printer in my printer
> list. How can I print to PDF?
> 
> Running Breezy here.

You have to add the printer.
 1. Go to System -> Administration -> Printing
 2. Doubleclick "New Printer" to create a printer.
 3. "PDF Printer" should show up as detected printer, highlight and go
forward.
 4. For "Manufacturer" select "Generic" and select "Postscript Printer"

NOTE: The cups-pdf instructions suggest using the ppd that shows up as
printer model "postscript color printer (rev3)", but I have found this doesnt
work as well for me. Also note that cups-pdf in general has some issues with
it so your virtual printing mileage may vary.

Seth



From matt at v8zman.com  Sat Dec 24 14:17:21 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0500
Subject: USB 2.0 problems after Breezy upgrade
Message-ID: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com>

I just realized this morning that my usb 2.0 card doesnt work after the 
Breezy upgrade. Here's what dmesg has to say:


 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0c.3[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller
[4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: debug port 1
[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: can't reset
[4378662.757000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0c.3 disabled
[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: init 0000:00:0c.3 fail, -110
[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:0c.3 failed with error -110


Anybody got any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt



From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec 24 14:49:37 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:49:37 -0500
Subject: Slow Printing on Brother HL-5150 -- More Memory?
In-Reply-To: <43AA883F.8050503@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <1135219340.16415.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43AA883F.8050503@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <1135435777.28024.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 04:04 -0700, Scott wrote:
> Brian Puccio wrote:
> > Anyone use this (or similar printers) and experience a slow down --
> > minutes -- when printing anything with images? I note that I can upgrade
> > the RAM from 16MB to 144MB, however, I'd rather not spend the money
> > unless I knew that things would speed up. The machine that is acting as
> > the printer server is plenty quick, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the
> > bottleneck.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Are you using drivers from Brother?
> 
> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/

I didn't even think to look there actually. Since the printer was listed
in the add printer wizard, I assumed that the supplied driver would
suffice. I'll try the Brother drivers. They seem to be GPL'd.

Thank you for your help, Scott.
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From matt at v8zman.com  Sat Dec 24 15:20:59 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:20:59 -0500
Subject: USB 2.0 problems after Breezy upgrade
In-Reply-To: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com>
References: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <43AD675B.2050305@v8zman.com>

Matt Patterson wrote:

> I just realized this morning that my usb 2.0 card doesnt work after 
> the Breezy upgrade. Here's what dmesg has to say:
>
>
> ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0c.3[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
> [4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 
> Controller
> [4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: debug port 1
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: can't reset
> [4378662.757000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0c.3 disabled
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: init 0000:00:0c.3 fail, -110
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:0c.3 failed with error -110
>
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
I thought I should tack on to this that the cpu usage for usb 1.1 
operations is REALLY high according to system monitor, but I  can't find 
any process using the cpu and top shows none either.

Matt





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 24 15:21:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:21:57 -0500
Subject: Switching from lilo to grub
References: <65ecc97c4375c8ce44e128b5f0e3c56a@vevayindiana.net><Azr3n.1zvcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><Azr3n.20adza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43A6CFCD.1040306@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Azr3n.20jwkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i'm pretty sure i mentioned that it dosen't work with lilo or grub...
think thats like three times now...


-- 
Azr3n



From support at wintunnel.com  Sat Dec 24 16:35:22 2005
From: support at wintunnel.com (Raymond)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:35:22 -0500
Subject: Printer Sharing
Message-ID: <1135442122.12485.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

How does one share an Ubuntu CUPS printer on the network?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 24 17:06:13 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:06:13 -0500
Subject: Linux PPC Live-CD not booting: why?
References: <bbda83370512070547u7b4a2ed5u4a23d0eb2ad9dae7@mail.gmail.com>	<20051207140346.GG315@riva.ucam.org><Rovenhot.1zp2dz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43977F7C.4050409@yahoo.co.uk>
	<Rovenhot.1zr1om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Rovenhot.20k17a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It was the keyboard.  You need a wired one in order to perform startup
key sequences.


-- 
Rovenhot



From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 18:34:44 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:04:44 +0330
Subject: change keyboard layouts through command line
In-Reply-To: <20051224075604.GA29258@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <1abd6b930512191136i6e3e89ebo8d0b1832671c9f47@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051224075604.GA29258@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512241034i6111c933r57e384aca33e9f21@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Tom,

Thanks for kind reply
I've prepared this page: http://www.hezardastan.org/breezy_persian_support/
and now would like to do the whole thing mentioned in this guide through
command line, can you please help more ?

Many Thanks

On 12/24/05, Tom Marshall <tommy at home.tig-grr.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:06:23PM +0330, Mehdi Hassanpour wrote:
> >    Hi Friends,
> >    I'm looking  for a way to add a new layout (language) and then change
> >    layout options through command line, can any one please help ?
>
> Check out setxkbmap.  Examples:
>
>   setxkbmap -layout dvorak
>
>   setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc101 -layout dvorak,us,el -option
> grp:alt_shift_toggle
>
> See "man setxkbmap" for more info.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



--
==================================================
Yours Sincerely, Mehdi Hassanpour
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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec 24 18:42:18 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:42:18 -0500
Subject: Printer Sharing
In-Reply-To: <1135442122.12485.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135442122.12485.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135449738.28024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 11:35 -0500, Raymond wrote:
> How does one share an Ubuntu CUPS printer on the network?

I'm assuming you mean with another Ubuntu (or Linux) machine?

I asked this a few weeks ago and was told to go here:

http://gerona.gov.ph/davidjr/?p=57

It works for me. I'm guessing I should add this to the wiki so others
can easily find it.
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From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec 24 18:44:09 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:44:09 -0800
Subject: Dual head system setup
In-Reply-To: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
References: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <20051224184409.GA7588@home.tig-grr.com>

> I just purchased a GeForce FX 5200 (AGP slot) card and another one is
> inbult into the mother board. Can somebody help me in setting up a dual
> head system? So I can use 2 monitors as 1. 

I didn't even know this was possible.  I thought that when the AGP slot is
filled, the BIOS disables the onboard video.  If you succeed in getting this
working, please let me know the type of motherboard.



From tommy at home.tig-grr.com  Sat Dec 24 19:10:10 2005
From: tommy at home.tig-grr.com (Tom Marshall)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:10:10 -0800
Subject: change keyboard layouts through command line
In-Reply-To: <1abd6b930512241034i6111c933r57e384aca33e9f21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1abd6b930512191136i6e3e89ebo8d0b1832671c9f47@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051224075604.GA29258@home.tig-grr.com>
	<1abd6b930512241034i6111c933r57e384aca33e9f21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051224191010.GB7588@home.tig-grr.com>

>    Dear Tom,
>    Thanks for kind reply

You are certainly welcome.  :)

>    I've prepared this page:
>    [1]http://www.hezardastan.org/breezy_persian_support/
>    and now would like to do the whole thing mentioned in this guide
>    through command line, can you please help more ?

I'm afraid you will need to do some experimentation to find the proper
commandline.  You can start with this:

  setxkbmap -layout ir -option grp:alts_toggle

The file /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst has very useful information, though I'm
afraid it is not easy to understand.

Also try searching on google.com for more information.  Surely someone has
posted a web page with the settings you seek.



From michael at weblore.com  Sat Dec 24 19:16:38 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:16:38 -0600
Subject: Setting up printer
Message-ID: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com>

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I'm trying to setup my printer under Kubuntu / CUPS. When I call up the
CUPS administration web page, it asks me for the userid / password. I
tried using the root password (setup for SWAT).

I tried using the system printer setup page, but it won't let me load
the Epson C84 driver (even after invoking admin mode).

Obviously, I'm missing something. Can someone help?

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From brian at brianpuccio.net  Sat Dec 24 19:44:21 2005
From: brian at brianpuccio.net (Brian Puccio)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:44:21 -0500
Subject: Slow Printing on Brother HL-5050 -- More Memory?
In-Reply-To: <43AA883F.8050503@angrykeyboarder.com>
References: <1135219340.16415.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43AA883F.8050503@angrykeyboarder.com>
Message-ID: <1135453462.28024.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 04:04 -0700, Scott wrote:
> Brian Puccio wrote:
> > Anyone use this (or similar printers) and experience a slow down --
> > minutes -- when printing anything with images? I note that I can upgrade
> > the RAM from 16MB to 144MB, however, I'd rather not spend the money
> > unless I knew that things would speed up. The machine that is acting as
> > the printer server is plenty quick, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the
> > bottleneck.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Are you using drivers from Brother?
> 
> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/

Couldn't even get those to work. I created the symlink as they noted, I
did see a new printer appear under the Brother list in the Add Printer
wizard, but that wouldn't even print.

I'll ask the CUPS folks what they think. I think they have a
Brother-oriented mailing list.

Thanks again!
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From vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr  Sat Dec 24 20:52:54 2005
From: vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr (voger)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:52:54 +0200
Subject: Update packages from local hard disk
Message-ID: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr>

Ok, so I downloaded the newer version of OpenOffice, untared the 
package, did an

sudo alien *.rpm

to the rpms and i got my deb's.

Now i want to update the already installed version of OpenOffice without 
having to uninstall
the older version first. In rpm one can do

rpm -Uvh *.rpm

but i couldn't find anything similar for dpkg.
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 24 20:48:18 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:48:18 -0400
Subject: Setting up printer
References: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Michael Satterwhite wrote:

> I'm trying to setup my printer under Kubuntu / CUPS. When I call up the
> CUPS administration web page, it asks me for the userid / password. I
> tried using the root password (setup for SWAT).
> 
> I tried using the system printer setup page, but it won't let me load
> the Epson C84 driver (even after invoking admin mode).
> 
> Obviously, I'm missing something. Can someone help?

This really belongs on the kubuntu-users list, as it's kubuntu specific, so
I've cc'd that list. 

If you're administering through the Control Center (if not, how are you
doing it?) then it asks for _your_ password (and not for a userid).
-- 
derek




From ouch.doh at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 22:12:23 2005
From: ouch.doh at gmail.com (federico)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:12:23 -0300
Subject: Update packages from local hard disk
In-Reply-To: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr>
References: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr>
Message-ID: <200512241912.24973@morrigan>

Hi

On Saturday 24 December 2005 17:52, voger wrote: 
voger escribió:
> rpm -Uvh *.rpm

dpkg -i *.rpm

regards

f



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 24 21:04:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:04:23 -0500
Subject: Update packages from local hard disk
References: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr>
Message-ID: <DJ_Max.20kcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I wouldn't suggest using alien for OO.org. But anyway.


Code:
--------------------
    dpkg -i *.deb
--------------------


-- 
DJ_Max



From ouch.doh at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 22:31:01 2005
From: ouch.doh at gmail.com (federico)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:31:01 -0300
Subject: Update packages from local hard disk
In-Reply-To: <200512241912.24973@morrigan>
References: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr> <200512241912.24973@morrigan>
Message-ID: <200512241931.01915@morrigan>

Ooops, ( see below! )

On Saturday 24 December 2005 19:12, federico wrote: 
federico escribió:
> Hi
>
> On Saturday 24 December 2005 17:52, voger wrote:
>
> voger escribió:
> > rpm -Uvh *.rpm
>
> dpkg -i *.rpm

dpkg -i *.deb

>
> regards
>
> f



From vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr  Sat Dec 24 21:39:33 2005
From: vogernewsletters at yahoo.gr (voger)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:39:33 +0200
Subject: Update packages from local hard disk
In-Reply-To: <DJ_Max.20kcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43ADB526.3080701@yahoo.gr> <DJ_Max.20kcba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43ADC015.8020703@yahoo.gr>

'Forum Post wrote:
> I wouldn't suggest using alien for OO.org. But anyway.
>
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>     dpkg -i *.deb
> --------------------
>
>
>   
Thanks, that was it.

As for using alien, i  got  rpm's  from OO's  web  page and didn't look 
any further.  After all that's what is suggested to the forums.
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From michael at weblore.com  Sat Dec 24 22:39:31 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:31 -0600
Subject: Setting up printer
In-Reply-To: <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com> <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <43ADCE23.3060902@weblore.com>

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Derek Broughton wrote:
| Michael Satterwhite wrote:
|
|
|>I'm trying to setup my printer under Kubuntu / CUPS. When I call up the
|>CUPS administration web page, it asks me for the userid / password. I
|>tried using the root password (setup for SWAT).
|>
|>I tried using the system printer setup page, but it won't let me load
|>the Epson C84 driver (even after invoking admin mode).
|>
|>Obviously, I'm missing something. Can someone help?
|
|
| This really belongs on the kubuntu-users list, as it's kubuntu
specific, so
| I've cc'd that list.
|
| If you're administering through the Control Center (if not, how are you
| doing it?) then it asks for _your_ password (and not for a userid).

While I'll agree the control center is kubuntu specific, my first
attempt was http://localhost:631 - which isn't kubuntu specific. It asks
for both a userid and password, but won't accept anything

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From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Sun Dec 25 00:25:35 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:25:35 -0400
Subject: VMPlayer Free
Message-ID: <43ADE6FF.30106@davidgonz.com>

I been wondering how can I use VMPlayer, I want to emulate Gentoo on my 
ubuntu box, thing is I really don't want to uninstall ubuntu to do a 
partition with something im going to put temporaly

Also if I install it, can i remove it later to save space?



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 00:50:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:50:36 -0500
Subject: Printer Sharing
References: <1135442122.12485.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135449738.28024.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <BobSongs.20kmhy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Raymond Wrote: 
> How does one share an Ubuntu CUPS printer on the network?
Trish, over at my 'HowTo for the MFC210C printer'
(http://tinyurl.com/cgb6g), is having difficulty getting the printer to
print a test page. She says she can "see" the printer on the network, if
that's of any help. Might this be a firewall issue?

Much appreciated.


-- 
BobSongs



From warlock at eskimo.com  Sun Dec 25 01:51:27 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:51:27 -0800
Subject: VMPlayer Free
In-Reply-To: <43ADE6FF.30106@davidgonz.com>
References: <43ADE6FF.30106@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <1135475487.26094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 20:25 -0400, David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
> I been wondering how can I use VMPlayer, I want to emulate Gentoo on my 
> ubuntu box, thing is I really don't want to uninstall ubuntu to do a 
> partition with something im going to put temporaly
> 
> Also if I install it, can i remove it later to save space?


yes, you can install and remove vmplayer using the scripts that come
with the package, and removing the vm image is a simple matter of
deleting the relevant .vmdk and .vmx files


-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time. -- Catherine
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 25 01:36:34 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:36:34 -0400
Subject: Setting up printer
References: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com> <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<43ADCE23.3060902@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <2m9183-k6o.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Michael Satterwhite wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
> | Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> |
> |
> |>I'm trying to setup my printer under Kubuntu / CUPS. When I call up the
> |>CUPS administration web page, it asks me for the userid / password. I
> |>tried using the root password (setup for SWAT).
> |>
> |>I tried using the system printer setup page, but it won't let me load
> |>the Epson C84 driver (even after invoking admin mode).
> |>
> |>Obviously, I'm missing something. Can someone help?
> |
> |
> | This really belongs on the kubuntu-users list, as it's kubuntu
> specific, so
> | I've cc'd that list.
> |
> | If you're administering through the Control Center (if not, how are you
> | doing it?) then it asks for _your_ password (and not for a userid).
> 
> While I'll agree the control center is kubuntu specific, my first
> attempt was http://localhost:631 - which isn't kubuntu specific. It asks
> for both a userid and password, but won't accept anything

<stunned head-shaking />

While I knew that cups uses port 631, and even that there's an HTTP server
running on that port, I never actually thought it was supposed to be user
configurable, and have never tried browsing to it!  You learn something new
every day.  Thanks.

I can manage my printers through that interface without any prompting for
userid/password.  I still think you'd be better off doing this through the
kcontrol interface.
-- 
derek




From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 04:34:23 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:34:23 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
Message-ID: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>

I've been a fan of Zope since I encountered it a long time ago.  I've been
able to install and run it in various versions under Windows with no trouble
ever.  With Ubuntu, the first Linux distro that has actually begun to
supplant my Windows system, I thought it would be a snap, given that Zope
is, after all, mostly a Unix-oriented environment.  So, I installed
Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  Oops.

The bottom line is that I can't get this to work at all.  I install
Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  The latter asks me for a username and
password as well as
a port to execute on.  I give it one.  I hit that port in my browser and I
get the blurb screen.  I try to hit the management console.  It asks for a
username and password.  I naively give it the one I told it to use.  It
refuses to accept it.

I have now uninstalled and reinstalled Zope 2.7 (with and without the
sandbox) and, in fact, out of desperation, several other versions of Zope (
2.6-3.0).  Each time the result is the same.  Sandbox doesn't let me do
anything and, if I install without sandbox, I can't even get a Zope instance
to accept a connection.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I try to run from
(my account or sudoed) when setting upan instance.  It doesn't seem to
matter whether I have sandbox in place or not.  I just can't get Zope to
work.  With sandbox I can get the opening blurb and nothing else.  Without
sandbox I can't even get it to accept connections.

Can anybody let me know what the trick is to get Zope running under Ubuntu?
Or point to a set of (Ubuntu-relevant) instructions that help out?  (The
instructions in the Zope book from zope.org don't work.)
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From clintin at linuxmail.org  Sun Dec 25 04:44:14 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:44:14 -0700
Subject: Zope problems
Message-ID: <20051225044414.628FB43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

You might take a look at edubuntu as I believe that zope3 is installed by default.  Edubuntu is the Education LTSP version of ubuntu.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Richter" 
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" 
Subject: Zope problems
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:34:23 +0800

I've been a fan of Zope since I encountered it a long time ago.  I've been able to install and run it in various versions under Windows with no trouble ever.  With Ubuntu, the first Linux distro that has actually begun to supplant my Windows system, I thought it would be a snap, given that Zope is, after all, mostly a Unix-oriented environment.  So, I installed Zope 2.7 and the sandbox.  Oops.

The bottom line is that I can't get this to work at all.  I install Zope 2.7 and the sandbox.  The latter asks me for a username and password as well as a port to execute on.  I give it one.  I hit that port in my browser and I get the blurb screen.  I try to hit the management console.  It asks for a username and password.  I naively give it the one I told it to use.  It refuses to accept it. 

I have now uninstalled and reinstalled Zope 2.7 (with and without the sandbox) and, in fact, out of desperation, several other versions of Zope (2.6-3.0).  Each time the result is the same.  Sandbox doesn't let me do anything and, if I install without sandbox, I can't even get a Zope instance to accept a connection.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I try to run from (my account or sudoed) when setting upan instance.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I have sandbox in place or not.  I just can't get Zope to work.  With sandbox I can get the opening blurb and nothing else.  Without sandbox I can't even get it to accept connections. 

Can anybody let me know what the trick is to get Zope running under Ubuntu?  Or point to a set of (Ubuntu-relevant) instructions that help out?  (The instructions in the Zope book from zope.org don't work.)
-- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users 



From mez at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec 25 05:15:08 2005
From: mez at ubuntu.com (Martin Meredith)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:15:08 +0000
Subject: USB 2.0 problems after Breezy upgrade
In-Reply-To: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com>
References: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com>
Message-ID: <43AE2ADC.5060301@ubuntu.com>

Are you usign a custom kernel?

Can you provide any more information about the setup/stats of your system?

Have you recently upgraded your BIOS?	

Matt Patterson wrote:
> I just realized this morning that my usb 2.0 card doesnt work after the
> Breezy upgrade. Here's what dmesg has to say:
> 
> 
> ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0c.3[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
> [4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller
> [4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: debug port 1
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: can't reset
> [4378662.757000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0c.3 disabled
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: init 0000:00:0c.3 fail, -110
> [4378662.757000] ehci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:0c.3 failed with error -110
> 
> 
> Anybody got any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 

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From noahdain at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 05:20:19 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 00:20:19 -0500
Subject: firefox and video plugin
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512231057k3f004ceam8e2ef5a03ff4c145@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com> <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512231057k3f004ceam8e2ef5a03ff4c145@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5f317b0512242120j2049d806g94d3f2e6af251193@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/22/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Your help is very much appreciated.
> >
> > Unfortunately breezy comes with firefox 1.0.7 which has empty file type
> > list and thus change action button is disabled.
> >
> Hi Leon,
>
> I find the same problem and had not discovered it because I added all
> of the extra funtionality through the Synaptec package manager
> (mplayer, etc).  I am able to edit this on my Windows version but not
> in Ubuntu? <*shrug shoulders*>.
>
> --
> http://kimbriggs.com
>

if all else fails, just remove the binary-plugin you don't want.

the file is: mplayerplug-in-rm.so
it's probably under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins

if you are new to the mplayer plugin, expect mozilla/firefox to crash
after using it, sometimes when not even playing a vid.

--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From emmerc at cantv.net  Sun Dec 25 07:24:54 2005
From: emmerc at cantv.net (Emmer)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:24:54 +0800
Subject: Problems with Kino
Message-ID: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>

I am a new one in ubuntu, and I have tried everything from Linux forums to 
make work a Camcorder Panasonic PV-DV203D in Kino and it has been not 
possible! Kino does not detec the camera. 

Can anybody help me? 

I have a clon PIV 2.0 GHz, motherboard ECS PT800CE-A, 512 ram PC400, 160 GB 
HD, 	InnoDV -1000LE PCI firewire card, Video NVIDIA AGP GeFOrce2 MX/MX 400 64 
mb sgram, etc. Ubuntu 5.10, KDE 3.5. 



From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Sun Dec 25 08:36:51 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:36:51 +0100
Subject: Setting up printer
References: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com> <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<43ADCE23.3060902@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.25.08.36.50.747927@xs4all.nl>

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:31 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:

> While I'll agree the control center is kubuntu specific, my first
> attempt was http://localhost:631 - which isn't kubuntu specific. It asks
> for both a userid and password, but won't accept anything

That's because the http://localhost:631 route has been disabled -- you are
supposed to use the KDE or GNOME printer setup procedure (which is just a
front for the CUPS procedure). But you can circumvent this, if you wish,
by commenting out the two lines "AuthType Basic" and "AuthClass System"
near the end of the file /etc/cups/cups.confd; now you can use
http://localhost:631 even without any password... 

-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 08:46:46 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:46:46 -0500
Subject: Problems with Kino
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
Message-ID: <binks.20l8pz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i have to start kino with 


Code:
--------------------
    sudo kino
--------------------


from a terminal to be able to connect my canon camera:D


-- 
binks



From vignesh1986 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 10:43:22 2005
From: vignesh1986 at gmail.com (VIGNESH)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:13:22 +0530
Subject: Iriver
In-Reply-To: <d5bd99f70512050227l2f6d2c70i176c37d7a7532e1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5bd99f70511130001i75e68cafqe12b3e19b6e56598@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<weblars.1zfe8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512022013w513a6fcna84ec3b038a0204c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zgi1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512031755j48a10b02v8e6bf9f553357f46@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1ziw5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512040935y404a611cg6c4b644b6d0680d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Ufo.1zk2ra@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<d5bd99f70512050227l2f6d2c70i176c37d7a7532e1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5bd99f70512250243p1534f9dfl8d55ab3467020b01@mail.gmail.com>

hi !

        I just upgraded to ums 1.28...I had no problems not even the
one you had..its great..Thanks mate

Cheers
Vignesh

On 12/5/05, VIGNESH <vignesh1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK..I will tell you once I am done..
>  Cheers
>  Vignesh
>
>
> On 12/5/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > Go ahead and give it a try!
> >
> > For me it has been easier to interact between player and computer now.
> >
> >
> >
> > When I upgraded the firmware, it gave some error messages (which I
> > didn't write down and can't remember any more) and it took some minutes
> > before player turned itself off. Anyway upgrade successed, so don't
> > worry if you have the same thing. Just wait until player turns itself
> > off.
> >
> >
> >
> > Have fun :-)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ufo
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
>



From stsykin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 10:55:21 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:55:21 +1100
Subject: Where should I send my breezy upgrade notes
Message-ID: <43AE7A99.9040801@optusnet.com.au>

If you have anything of help in the way of a log of the installation, 
where you should post it would depend on how you will present it. If you 
are going to make it as a guide, post it in the wiki or the forums.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 11:03:19 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:03:19 +1100
Subject: Printer Sharing
Message-ID: <43AE7C77.2020904@optusnet.com.au>

To share a printer over a network, you can go to  System => 
Administration => Printing. Then right click on "New Printer," and 
select "Add." Then select "Network Printer," and select "CUPS printer" 
if it is a linux printer. Type in the URL, and then just go about 
installing it normally. I haven't actually used this but it should work.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 11:06:58 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:06:58 +1100
Subject: Setting up printer
Message-ID: <43AE7D52.3000107@optusnet.com.au>

In Ubuntu, the CUPS we page doesn't work for some reason. Instead use 
System => Administration => Printing. The right click on "New Printer" 
and seled "Add." Fromt here select the printer you want to use, and 
select the driver you want to use.



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 11:53:43 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:53:43 -0300
Subject: Problems with Kino
In-Reply-To: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
Message-ID: <1135511623.7099.8.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 15:24 +0800, Emmer wrote:
> I am a new one in ubuntu, and I have tried everything from Linux forums to 
> make work a Camcorder Panasonic PV-DV203D in Kino and it has been not 
> possible! Kino does not detec the camera. 
> 
> Can anybody help me? 

I am very ignorant about Cameras, but I know I have a USB photo camera
which records videos and saves them as .AVI

To get either pthotos or videos, I just mount it to a dir I already
manually (sudo mkdir /mnt/UsbCamera) created but you could mount it to
any dir it has no contents under it, preferably.

$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/UsbCamera

(or, $ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/UsbCamera)


Then I copy or rsync the contents in it to a dir in my /home

$ cp -R /mnt/UsbCamera/* /home/me/SomeDir

Maybe, if you just mount it, you'll see the files from Kino.

BTW, have you tried other application to edit video?
-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

ID #287183
http://counter.li.org

[I dream of things that never were and say 'Why Not?']

/!\ Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales para evitar
conflictos de lectura con otros lectores de correos.
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 25 11:54:07 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:54:07 +1100
Subject: no sound at all.. just static
Message-ID: <20051225115407.GC31418@mail.kenpro.com.au>

This box has never had a sound card before, but now I need one.

I've bought a SB Audigy LS, which is detected according to lspci

0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS

I've played with alsamixer to no avail. I've also followed the detailed 
instructions at:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753

I've been through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and no joy.

All I ever get is static (loud), including the test at 
System/Preferences/Multimedia set to either OSS or ALSA. Just static.

Should I be reconfiguring? something like dpkg-reconfigure ??? if so what package?
Any cluestick would earn my eternal gratitude.

regards

David.



From daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 11:54:53 2005
From: daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com (Daniel Callejas Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:54:53 +0100
Subject: Installing Smarty tries to uninstall PHP5
Message-ID: <b1d082230512250354h6b6e033ck@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

When I try to install Smarty (PHP template manager) in my Kubuntu
5.10, the package manager tries to uninstall libapache2-mod-php5 to
replace it with libapache2-mod-php4. This is the list of changes that
are about to happen when I try to install Smarty:

PACKAGE_______________STATUS__________ACTION
libapache2-mod-php4___not installed___install
libapache2-mod-php5___upgradable______remove
libzzip-0-12__________not installed___install
php4__________________not installed___install
php4-common___________not installed___install
php5-common___________upgradable______upgrade
php5-mysql____________upgradable______remove
smarty________________not installed___install


According to these messages
<http://www.codecomments.com/archive224-2004-9-279861.html>, Smarty
works perfectly with PHP5, so I see no reason to make it depend
exactly on PHP4.

According to the info in the smarty package, the maintainer is Dimitri
Fontaine (dfontaine at cvf.fr).



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 12:32:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:32:04 -0500
Subject: Problems with Kino
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
	<1135511623.7099.8.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
Message-ID: <binks.20liwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


the problem is that the firewire module needs root priviledge not that
it needs mounting as its a video camera not a still camera

binks :):)


-- 
binks



From stsykin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 13:02:31 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:02:31 +1100
Subject: no sound at all.. just static
Message-ID: <43AE9867.3070200@optusnet.com.au>

Hey,

I have a Sound Blaster Audigy LS and the problem for me was that the 
installation had digital audio turned on in alsamixer automatically. You 
should turn it off, the card only does analogue.

Sasha



From stsykin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 13:04:22 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:04:22 +1100
Subject: Installing Smarty tries to uninstall PHP5
Message-ID: <43AE98D6.2020108@optusnet.com.au>

Most likely the package was simply compiled to depend on php4 even 
though it can depend on php5. This si normal. If the maintainer only had 
php4 on his computer, then it would compile qutomatically like this.



From daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 13:33:36 2005
From: daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com (Daniel Callejas Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:33:36 +0100
Subject: Installing Smarty tries to uninstall PHP5
In-Reply-To: <43AE98D6.2020108@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AE98D6.2020108@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <b1d082230512250533y2e240477n@mail.gmail.com>

2005/12/25, Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com>:
> Most likely the package was simply compiled to depend on php4 even
> though it can depend on php5. This si normal. If the maintainer only had
> php4 on his computer, then it would compile qutomatically like this.
>

Thanks for your explanation. Should I anyhow notify the maintainer about this?



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Sun Dec 25 13:44:44 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:44:44 +1100
Subject: Replying to threads: was (Re: Setting up printer)
In-Reply-To: <43AE7D52.3000107@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AE7D52.3000107@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051226004444.c7d807de.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:06:58 +1100
Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com> wrote:

> In Ubuntu, the CUPS we page doesn't work for some reason. Instead use 
> System => Administration => Printing. The right click on "New Printer" 
> and seled "Add." Fromt here select the printer you want to use, and 
> select the driver you want to use.

Sasha, i mentioned this some days ago - you are starting new threads, when
your intention was to answer existing ones. As a result your mail appears
without the context we need to see what you are answering.

Since you also fail to quote, we can't even see what the question was.

You need to reply to the thread in which the question appears, otherwise
we don't know what you are answering.

Peter


-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 25 14:19:07 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:19:07 -0400
Subject: Setting up printer
References: <43AD9E96.3090300@weblore.com> <ipo083-t3m.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<43ADCE23.3060902@weblore.com>
	<pan.2005.12.25.08.36.50.747927@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <rbm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Henk Koster wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:39:31 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> 
>> While I'll agree the control center is kubuntu specific, my first
>> attempt was http://localhost:631 - which isn't kubuntu specific. It asks
>> for both a userid and password, but won't accept anything
> 
> That's because the http://localhost:631 route has been disabled -- you are
> supposed to use the KDE or GNOME printer setup procedure (which is just a
> front for the CUPS procedure). But you can circumvent this, if you wish,
> by commenting out the two lines "AuthType Basic" and "AuthClass System"
> near the end of the file /etc/cups/cups.confd;

cupsd.conf :-)

> now you can use 
> http://localhost:631 even without any password...
 
Interestingly, mine seems to have AuthType Basic sprinkled throughout, and
still lets me administer through that interface without a password.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Dec 25 14:20:57 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:20:57 -0400
Subject: Zope problems
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Michael Richter wrote:

> I've been a fan of Zope since I encountered it a long time ago.  I've been
> able to install and run it in various versions under Windows with no
> trouble
> ever.  With Ubuntu, the first Linux distro that has actually begun to
> supplant my Windows system, I thought it would be a snap, given that Zope
> is, after all, mostly a Unix-oriented environment.  So, I installed
> Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  Oops.
> 
> The bottom line is that I can't get this to work at all.  I install
> Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  The latter asks me for a username and
> password as well as
> a port to execute on.  I give it one.  I hit that port in my browser and I
> get the blurb screen.  I try to hit the management console.  It asks for a
> username and password.  I naively give it the one I told it to use.  It
> refuses to accept it.

Every time I've installed zope (quite a few times by now) it's asked for a
username and password, but it really only used the password.  The username
is probably 'admin'!
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 15:41:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:41:55 -0500
Subject: gaim-vv
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAkHmBaZQwNkSrDwVVFT4mQMKAAAAQAAAAg4qpN+B3Ak27rjWegXTZegEAAAAA@optonline.net>	<1099654318.32740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<AndyGates.1fzh8z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<595c43a604112000306192da3@mail.gmail.com>	<AndyGates.1g11qb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<595c43a604112014165e437dc0@mail.gmail.com>	<AndyGates.1g1ovn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<595c43a604112102262639cd80@mail.gmail.com>	<AndyGates.1gg2gy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><92b38bd504112913558fcf5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AC456C.7080201@yahoo.fr>
Message-ID: <abyssspecter.20ls5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Okay, i tryd installing GAIM-vv, and it went fine, tell i got to the
GST-Jpeg2000 installing. i got this message when i tried to ./configure
it:



> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config

> checking for   gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8   gstreamer-control-0.8 >= 0.8...
> configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed !

> 



I read somewherethat i need GStreamer 0.8.x, soi i tried installing
that, and it told me i didnt have it on my PC.



If someone could help, id be very grateful.


-- 
abyssspecter



From einand at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 16:15:51 2005
From: einand at gmail.com (Ein Andersson)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:15:51 +0100
Subject: VMPlayer Free
In-Reply-To: <43ADE6FF.30106@davidgonz.com>
References: <43ADE6FF.30106@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <43AEC5B7.1020808@3gdev.com>

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If you want to try an Free and Open Source emulator. I can rekomend Qemu.

- --
Ein Andersson


David Gonzalez Rivera wrote:
> I been wondering how can I use VMPlayer, I want to emulate Gentoo on my
> ubuntu box, thing is I really don't want to uninstall ubuntu to do a
> partition with something im going to put temporaly
> 
> Also if I install it, can i remove it later to save space?
> 
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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Sun Dec 25 16:24:48 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:24:48 +0000
Subject: gaim-vv
In-Reply-To: <abyssspecter.20ls5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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	<1099654318.32740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AndyGates.1fzh8z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<595c43a604112000306192da3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AndyGates.1g11qb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<595c43a604112014165e437dc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<AndyGates.1g1ovn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<595c43a604112102262639cd80@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AC456C.7080201@yahoo.fr>
	<abyssspecter.20ls5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051225162447.GA2605@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 10:41:55AM -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> Okay, i tryd installing GAIM-vv, and it went fine, tell i got to the
> GST-Jpeg2000 installing. i got this message when i tried to ./configure
> it:
> 
> > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
> 
> > checking for   gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8   gstreamer-control-0.8 >= 0.8...
> > configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed !
> 
> I read somewherethat i need GStreamer 0.8.x, soi i tried installing
> that, and it told me i didnt have it on my PC.

Have you installed the _development_ packages as that config error
message is asking for?

I haven't built anything that requires gstreamer but, from a quick scan
through Synaptic it looks like the required packages would be among
those three beginning 'libgstreamer' and ending in 'dev'

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From dgleba at sympatico.ca  Sun Dec 25 16:52:18 2005
From: dgleba at sympatico.ca (d gleba)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:52:18 -0500
Subject: Dell Inspirion 6000 laptop: No video in X
Message-ID: <43AECE42.20008@sympatico.ca>

I booted ubuntu 5.04 on this laptop.
There are text mode terminals, but no screen in X.

Can anyone help?

David



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 17:57:56 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:57:56 -0500
Subject: Problems with Kino
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
	<1135511623.7099.8.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<binks.20liwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Hi, the firewire module does not require root priveleges. All that you
need is read/write access to /dev/raw1394. Since this file is
dynamically created by udev, you could change udev rules. However, you
should notice that the group assigned to the file is "disk" and that
the group has read/write access. Therefore, it is easier to just add
your userid to the disk group: sudo adduser `whoami` disk.


-- 
ddennedy



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 19:04:26 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:04:26 -0500
Subject: New LCD Monitor "Just Worked" (?)
Message-ID: <200512251404.26763.carney1979@gmail.com>

Dear all,

I got a NEC LCD 17 inch monitor for Christmas.

I was using an old no-name 17 inch CRT monitor.

I plugged in the Nec and fired up Ubuntu. I figured I'd have to make a quick 
change to a console and reconfigure the xserver, but it just seemed to work 
"out of the box".

Is this normal, or should I do the reconfigure?

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From support at wintunnel.com  Sun Dec 25 18:57:27 2005
From: support at wintunnel.com (Raymond)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0500
Subject: Suspend and Bluetooth questions
Message-ID: <1135537048.8260.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Couple of questions:

1) Have a dual-boot (paragon boot manager) Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 (2g
ram, 80g disk) and unable to successfully suspend Ubuntu. 

2) What is the status with Ubuntu bluetooth audio; have a Plantronics
Stereo bluetooth headset coupled to a Zoom PCMCIA Bluetooth card. Ubuntu
recognizes the bluetooth card. Can't get any bluetooth device to bind;
Ubuntu sees them but the never get a passcode screen for binding.

Raymond




From cb at lim.nl  Sun Dec 25 19:52:24 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:52:24 -0800
Subject: Suspend and Bluetooth questions
In-Reply-To: <1135537048.8260.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135537048.8260.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512251152r77314a8fm505dd7870d1d1ad2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/25/05, Raymond <support at wintunnel.com> wrote:

> 1) Have a dual-boot (paragon boot manager) Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 (2g
> ram, 80g disk) and unable to successfully suspend Ubuntu.

Have you added  "resume=/dev/hdaX" (where is X is partition to suspend
to) as a default kernel option to "/boot/grub/menu.lst"?

From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 20:27:47 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:27:47 -0500
Subject: New LCD Monitor "Just Worked" (?)
References: <200512251404.26763.carney1979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ola.20m54m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You should be fine with the automaticly found modes for your monitor, so
don't reconfigure!



.o


-- 
ola



From peevee.chaitanya at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 20:40:39 2005
From: peevee.chaitanya at gmail.com (peevee)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:10:39 +0530
Subject: synaptic manager not working
Message-ID: <48bd74c50512251240q37e97001p97d9fbe538b0bc5c@mail.gmail.com>

hello friends,
I activated universal packages in synaptic manager,
but when it tried to update , it gave an error saying its unable to fetch
some release.p*g file,
i tried doing apt-get update
and its resolving the ip as 1.0.0.0 ,
when i checked my resolv.conf
it has an entry
nameserver 192.168.1.1
which is the ip of my gateway ( broadband router)
I am able to use internet completely fine, except that it was needed to
disable ipv6 in firefox to use internet,
if that was enabled , which was by default , i was unable to access net
using firefox.
bye please tell me how to make my synaptic package manager work for univesal
packages,
thanks
regards

--
PEEVEE

http://peevee.tk

blogger at http://techipeevee.blogspot.com/   *Tech blog
               http://livejournal.com/users/peevee_jivi   *Personal blog

Air Conditioners and Computers are similar in some ways. Both are
useless when you open 'Windows'.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 20:50:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:50:42 -0500
Subject: Getting sound to work with an EMU APS soundcard
References: <41FA834F.5080401@xs4all.nl> <Vilhelmo.1z5o8m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <carllfo.20m61y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm a bit of a linux noobie but don't be scared to get technical :)

I have the same problem as the other posters in this thread and would
be greatful for any help on this.

The Emu is recognised as a Creative card on many occasions in older
windows programs, maybe that's where the problem lies as it's
essentialy a highly modified Audigy and Ubuntu/Gnome(noob :confused: )
is detecting it as such.


-- 
carllfo



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Sun Dec 25 21:01:41 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:01:41 +1300
Subject: Installing Smarty tries to uninstall PHP5
In-Reply-To: <b1d082230512250533y2e240477n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43AE98D6.2020108@optusnet.com.au>
	<b1d082230512250533y2e240477n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135544501.8184.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 14:33 +0100, Daniel Callejas Sevilla wrote:
> 2005/12/25, Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com>:
> > Most likely the package was simply compiled to depend on php4 even
> > though it can depend on php5. This si normal. If the maintainer only had
> > php4 on his computer, then it would compile qutomatically like this.
> >
> 
> Thanks for your explanation. Should I anyhow notify the maintainer about this?
> 

No.  The breezy package depends on php4 or php5:
tim at marvin:~$ apt-cache show smarty
Package: smarty
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Installed-Size: 784
Maintainer: Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine at cvf.fr>
Architecture: all
Version: 2.6.9-1
Depends: debconf, php4 | php4-cli | php4-cgi | php5 | php5-cgi |
php5-cli

php5 is available (it is a meta-package, and apparently hasn't been
installed), and depends on either libapache2-mod-php5 (which you have)
or php5-cgi.

Try installing php5 before installing smarty.







From daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 21:45:59 2005
From: daniel.callejas.sevilla at gmail.com (Daniel Callejas Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:45:59 +0100
Subject: Installing Smarty tries to uninstall PHP5
In-Reply-To: <1135544501.8184.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43AE98D6.2020108@optusnet.com.au>
	<b1d082230512250533y2e240477n@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135544501.8184.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <b1d082230512251345x1022584cl@mail.gmail.com>

2005/12/25, Tim Frost <timfrost at xtra.co.nz>:
> On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 14:33 +0100, Daniel Callejas Sevilla wrote:
> > 2005/12/25, Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com>:
> > > Most likely the package was simply compiled to depend on php4 even
> > > though it can depend on php5. This si normal. If the maintainer only had
> > > php4 on his computer, then it would compile qutomatically like this.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for your explanation. Should I anyhow notify the maintainer about this?
> >
>
> No.  The breezy package depends on php4 or php5:
> tim at marvin:~$ apt-cache show smarty
> Package: smarty
> Priority: optional
> Section: universe/web
> Installed-Size: 784
> Maintainer: Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine at cvf.fr>
> Architecture: all
> Version: 2.6.9-1
> Depends: debconf, php4 | php4-cli | php4-cgi | php5 | php5-cgi |
> php5-cli
>
> php5 is available (it is a meta-package, and apparently hasn't been
> installed), and depends on either libapache2-mod-php5 (which you have)
> or php5-cgi.
>

You're completely right. Sorry for the misinformation.

> Try installing php5 before installing smarty.
>

Now it works as expected.

>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From support at wintunnel.com  Sun Dec 25 21:46:33 2005
From: support at wintunnel.com (Raymond)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:46:33 -0500
Subject: Suspend and Bluetooth questions
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512251152r77314a8fm505dd7870d1d1ad2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135537048.8260.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<aec9371b0512251152r77314a8fm505dd7870d1d1ad2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135547193.7625.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> Have you added  "resume=/dev/hdaX" (where is X is partition to suspend
> to) as a default kernel option to "/boot/grub/menu.lst"?

Just tried that (hda6 is a 1g /srv mount); machine attempts to
hibernate; failed and rebooted. Would like to suspend, not hibernate and
restore when display lid is opened a'la windoze




From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Sun Dec 25 21:55:28 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:55:28 +0100
Subject: spca5xx broken in ubuntu 5.10?
Message-ID: <43AF1550.40309@kaiser-linux.li>

Hello

I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 on my Laptop and saw that the spca5xx 
driver for webcams is already included :-)

Unfortunatly, none of my webcams are working with the spca5xx driver 
included in Ubuntu 5.10. I tried all my webcams I own 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li/index.php/Linux_and_Webcams. Of course the 
Pixart support to spca5xx was added after the release of Ubuntu 5.10.

But all others give me a kernel crash. I did use the cams in the past 
with "self compiled" spca5xx from the spca5xx homepage in Ubuntu.

Any hint?

BTW, why did you (developers) rename it.

Regards, Thomas

-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 21:41:55 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:41:55 -0500
Subject: gaim-vv
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAkHmBaZQwNkSrDwVVFT4mQMKAAAAQAAAAg4qpN+B3Ak27rjWegXTZegEAAAAA@optonline.net><1099654318.32740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain><AndyGates.1fzh8z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><595c43a604112000306192da3@mail.gmail.com><AndyGates.1g11qb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><595c43a604112014165e437dc0@mail.gmail.com><AndyGates.1g1ovn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><595c43a604112102262639cd80@mail.gmail.com><41AC456C.7080201@yahoo.fr><abyssspecter.20ls5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051225162447.GA2605@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <abyssspecter.20m8ty@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


sure?



nah, because, i didnt know what to update it with. im still a linux
n00b


-- 
abyssspecter



From cb at lim.nl  Sun Dec 25 22:06:30 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:06:30 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has Ubuntu
	ReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com>
	<30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

> > Thanks for your help. Might this:
> >
> >   http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
> >
> > be the text to which you are referring?
> No it was not that one - it conserned specificly using two or more sound
> applications at the same time.

I think I have found the message: HOWTO: Hear multiple sounds at once
http://www.ubuntuforu <http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882>
ms.org/showthread.php?t=8882<http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882>

I also found this article quite helpful: *Howto: about sound in Hoary &
Linux**: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567*, even though it
isn't completely up-to-date.

In any case, I now have multiple apps accessing sound simultaneously, except
for certain programs that don't play nicely with others, ie, Gizmo, Flash.
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 25 22:49:23 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:49:23 +1100
Subject: no sound at all.. just static
In-Reply-To: <43AE9867.3070200@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AE9867.3070200@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051225224921.GC15251@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 12:02:31AM +1100, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I have a Sound Blaster Audigy LS and the problem for me was that the 
> installation had digital audio turned on in alsamixer automatically. You 
> should turn it off, the card only does analogue.
> 


I'm assuming that digital audio is turned off by the tab that says "switch" and 
the button that says "SPDIF Out". I got to that window by double clicking the 
volume control applet. It looks like a cuter version of the window you get by 
typing "alsamixer" at the command line.. so I'm assuming they are basically the 
same thing?  Does that sound right?

In any case, it doesn't help :(  ... had you done anything else to get yours to 
work or did it just work out of the box? I added my card after I'd already done my 
install/upgrade.

Thanks...



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Sun Dec 25 22:54:03 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:54:03 +0000
Subject: spca5xx broken in ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <43AF1550.40309@kaiser-linux.li>
References: <43AF1550.40309@kaiser-linux.li>
Message-ID: <1135551243.8231.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 22:55 +0100, Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu) wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I just installed Ubuntu 5.10 on my Laptop and saw that the spca5xx 
> driver for webcams is already included :-)

There appears to be a problem with this driver.  (Check out Bugzilla
http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14566 )  I had exactly the
same problem as you detail below, and we aren't alone...

> 
> Unfortunatly, none of my webcams are working with the spca5xx driver 
> included in Ubuntu 5.10.
[snip] 
>  give me a kernel crash. I did use the cams in the past 
> with "self compiled" spca5xx from the spca5xx homepage in Ubuntu.

It is a problem with the package in Breezy.  It is fixed for Dapper, I
checked and it already works for my webcam under Dapper Flight 2.

Neil
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 22:54:36 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:54:36 -0500
Subject: Backup program?
References: <92b38bd5041130000146545f3d@mail.gmail.com><200411301138.32230.lonblu@tiscali.it><mosestruong.1s09kn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><200507111401.43336.lee_b@digitalunleashed.com><92b38bd5050711212731108542@mail.gmail.com><mosestruong.1s56fa@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><mosestruong.1s90dy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
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Message-ID: <leberger.20mbly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


mosestruong Wrote: 
> 

> I'm still getting some errors, there are a lot of undefined references
> all relating to functions in libdar... I've pasted the last few lines of
> the error:

> 

> kdarthread.o(.text+0x5c3): In function
> `KDarThread::cancelOperation()':

> : undefined reference to
> `libdar::thread_cancellation::clear_pending_request()'

> kdarthread.o(.text+0x610): In function
> `KDarThread::cancelOperation()':

> : undefined reference to `libdar::thread_cancellation::cancel(unsigned
> long)'

> kdarthread.o(.text+0x61b): In function
> `KDarThread::cancelOperation()':

> : undefined reference to
> `libdar::thread_cancellation::current_cancel(unsigned long&)'

> kdarcontroller.o(.text+0x18d): In function
> `KDarController::KDarController[not-in-charge]()':

> : undefined reference to `libdar::get_compile_time_features(bool&,
> bool&, bool&, bool&, unsigned&, bool&, bool&, bool&, bool&)'

> kdarcontroller.o(.text+0x47d): In function
> `KDarController::KDarController[in-charge]()':

> : undefined reference to `libdar::get_compile_time_features(bool&,
> bool&, bool&, bool&, unsigned&, bool&, bool&, bool&, bool&)'

> KDarInteraction.o(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTI15KDarInteraction+0x8): undefined
> reference to `typeinfo for libdar::user_interaction'

> 



The problem is that you now have two versions of libdar installed and
the linker is finding the older one (the ubuntu package). 

Go into /usr/lib and 

sudo rm libdar.so



then create two symlinks:

sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libdar.so.3

sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libdar.so.3 libdar.so



kdar should now compile and run :D



It's well worth the effort - KDar is excellent and I was quite
surprised not to find it in the repository


-- 
leberger



From mle+ubuntu at mega-nerd.com  Sun Dec 25 23:12:13 2005
From: mle+ubuntu at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:12:13 +1100
Subject: prospect looking for /proc/ksyms instead of /proc/kallsyms
Message-ID: <20051225231131.0455B7B6C@coltrane.mega-nerd.net>

Package: prospect
Version: 5:0.9.8b-5
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable


	
Trying to run prospect:

    erikd at mingus > sudo prospect ls

    Time: ls 
    Can't open /proc/ksyms
      - errno = 2 -- No such file or directory
          3.635 BUG at Line0517:linux_model.c Couldn't find "num_physpages" in /proc/ksyms.
    Warning: couldn't import System.map file - kernel profiles disabled.
    prospect: couldn't find "/lib/modules/2.6.12/oprofile/oprofile.o"

     NOTE: Prospect depends on a functional oprofile installation.  You can get
           oprofile from http://oprofile.sf.net. However, make sure to read the
           prospect README.INSTALL file since you may already have an oprofile
           distribution that was delivered with prospect, but not installed.
           Check the /usr/share/doc/prospect[-0.9.8b] directory.
     prospect


I complains about not finding oprofile but:

    erikd at mingus > lsmod |grep oprofile
    oprofile               31232  0 

It also complains about a lack of /proc/ksyms whcih I believe has been replaced
with /proc/kallsyms.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12
Locale: LANG=en_AU, LC_CTYPE=en_AU (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) (ignored: LC_ALL set to POSIX)

Versions of packages prospect depends on:
ii  debconf                    1.4.56ubuntu2 Debian configuration management sy
ii  gdb                        6.3-6ubuntu2  The GNU Debugger
ii  libelfg0                   0.8.5-1       an ELF object file access library

Versions of packages prospect recommends:
pn  oprofile-modules0.7           <none>     (no description available)

-- debconf information:
  prospect/suid: false
  prospect/oprofile:



From sdl.web at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 23:12:18 2005
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (leon)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:12:18 +0000
Subject: firefox and video plugin
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com> <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512231057k3f004ceam8e2ef5a03ff4c145@mail.gmail.com>
	<df5f317b0512242120j2049d806g94d3f2e6af251193@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <861x00n54d.fsf@gmail.com>

Noah Dain <noahdain at gmail.com> writes:

 | On 12/23/05, Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> wrote:
 | > On 12/22/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
 | > > Your help is very much appreciated.
 | > >
 | > > Unfortunately breezy comes with firefox 1.0.7 which has empty file type
 | > > list and thus change action button is disabled.
 | > >
 | > Hi Leon,
 | >
 | > I find the same problem and had not discovered it because I added all
 | > of the extra funtionality through the Synaptec package manager
 | > (mplayer, etc).  I am able to edit this on my Windows version but not
 | > in Ubuntu? <*shrug shoulders*>.
 | >
 | > --
 | > http://kimbriggs.com
 | >
 | 
 | if all else fails, just remove the binary-plugin you don't want.
 | 
 | the file is: mplayerplug-in-rm.so
Uncheck the 'ra' in the 'plug-ins' is a better way to handle this.

 | it's probably under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
 | 
 | if you are new to the mplayer plugin, expect mozilla/firefox to crash
 | after using it, sometimes when not even playing a vid.

True. Firefox still crashes a lot. But the mplayer plugin beats
gstream-plugin which is crap at the moment.

-- 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 
.     *                               . 
.    /.\        Merry Christmas       . 
.   /..'\                             . 
.   /'.'\                  -- Leon    . 
.  /.''.'\                            . 
.  /.'.'.\                            . 
. /'.''.'.\                           . 
. ^^^[_]^^^                           . 
.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. 




From gcarzino at tiscali.it  Sun Dec 25 23:33:26 2005
From: gcarzino at tiscali.it (Gian Piero Carzino)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:33:26 +0100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (wireless driver)
In-Reply-To: <E1Ep5bl-0005CL-7b@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Ep5bl-0005CL-7b@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43AF2C46.6010908@tiscali.it>

This is the third part of the story: at the end we came to the Broadcom
Wireless interface.

Perhaps everybody knows that, without specs of the card, you have to use
ndiswrapper... and load the Windows driver...

But the windows driver shipped with the Pavilion is a 32 bit driver, and
the 64 bit version of ndiswrapper refuses to load it.

Not a great issue: one goes to Broadcom site and downloads the 64 bit one.

I couldn't find a driver which was 64 bit AND fit for Broadcom BCM4318
(which is the chip used in ZV6000 as lspci -n says 14E4:4318) neither at
Broadcom or 54g site, nor at Linuxant or HP:

BMCWL564.SYS (found at Linuxant, in the file
64-bit_Broadcom54g_Drivers.zip) supports 4301, 4303, 4307, 4320 and 4325
chips BUT fails on 4318

on the other side BCMWL5.SYS (the one found at HP site, in the file
SP30379.exe) really detects the hardware, BUT is 32 bit, and fails
loading on ndiswrapper

After some other googling I eventually found that Acer Ferrari is 64 bit
AND caries the same Broadcom chip (4318): fortunately Acer has provided
the driver for 64 bit windows...

ftp://ftp.support.acer-euro.com/notebook/ferrari_4000/driver/winxp64bit/80211g.zip

And this one finally was loaded and the wireless light went on.

I cannot be sure it works, because I have no Wifi nearby (also the other
O.S. didn't find any)... but wlan0 came out, iwconfig is happy, so I
think I found the right driver.

P.S. to fix the color of the splash in the boot screen, you must raise
frame buffer color to 16 or 24 bit (i.e. vga=788 or vga=792 or whatever
is NOT 8 bit, in kernel parameters in grub)

-- 
Gian Piero Carzino
<gcarzino at tiscali.it>



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 23:42:19 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:42:19 -0500
Subject: New LCD Monitor "Just Worked" (?)
In-Reply-To: <ola.20m54m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512251404.26763.carney1979@gmail.com>
	<ola.20m54m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512251842.19445.carney1979@gmail.com>

On Sunday 25 December 2005 15:27, 'Forum Post, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com 
wrote:
> You should be fine with the automaticly found modes for your monitor, so
> don't reconfigure!
>
>
>
> .o
>
>
> --
> ola

Yeah, I noticed it did some "automatic" resizing as Linux booted into X.

Thanks!

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sun Dec 25 23:57:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:57:26 -0500
Subject: Hamachi
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com><MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <madjo.20medy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


David Coldrick Wrote: 
> I have it installed and running. The UI ain't so hot if you're used to
> the

> Windows one - it's just command line stuff.

> http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3421 gives a pretty good
> overview

> of what needs doing.

> 

> Really nice product, shame it doesn't support proxy servers yet.

> 

> Regards,

> David

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

Actually there is a GUI available, see this thread on hamachi's
forums:

http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=2488



Regards,

Marcel de Jong


-- 
madjo



From rafasch at uol.com.br  Mon Dec 26 00:08:58 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:08:58 -0200
Subject: msttcorefonts
Message-ID: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>

Hello,

Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 26 00:08:15 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:08:15 -0400
Subject: Dell Inspirion 6000 laptop: No video in X
References: <43AECE42.20008@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <fso383-73a.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

d gleba wrote:

> I booted ubuntu 5.04 on this laptop.
> There are text mode terminals, but no screen in X.
> 
> Can anyone help?

Probably.  I have one (running Dapper - but it's been working since Breezy). 
Check kdm.log for _any_ warnings - particularly about the keyboard.
-- 
derek




From coldrick at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 00:09:51 2005
From: coldrick at gmail.com (David Coldrick)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:09:51 +1100
Subject: Hamachi
In-Reply-To: <madjo.20medy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <10681b470512210009y4648aff0k3555189aaa57472@mail.gmail.com>
	<MicroChris.20eg9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<98529bf40512211444h2478b964g7a03ab47907a5a2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<madjo.20medy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <98529bf40512251609s71225ba6h6319b2ca1861876d@mail.gmail.com>

Good pickup - thanks, Marcel!

On 12/26/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
>
> David Coldrick Wrote:
> > I have it installed and running. The UI ain't so hot if you're used to
> > the
>
> > Windows one - it's just command line stuff.
>
> > http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3421 gives a pretty good
> > overview
>
> > of what needs doing.
>
> >
>
> > Really nice product, shame it doesn't support proxy servers yet.
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > David
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
>
> > ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
>
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
> Actually there is a GUI available, see this thread on hamachi's
> forums:
>
> http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=2488
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Marcel de Jong
>
>
> --
> madjo
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Mon Dec 26 00:19:35 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:19:35 +1100
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <20051226001934.GH15251@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 10:08:58PM -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> 
> -- 


david at test:/etc $ apt-cache search msttcorefonts
openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
david at test:/etc $

sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts

Is that what you meant?



From m_epling at comcast.net  Mon Dec 26 00:30:03 2005
From: m_epling at comcast.net (m_epling)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:30:03 -0600
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <43AF398B.3070605@comcast.net>

  yeah its in the repositories   . just  enable all your repose in apt 
and then do a search in synaptic and you will locate it
Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
>
>  
>




From rafasch at uol.com.br  Mon Dec 26 00:33:02 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:33:02 -0200
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226001934.GH15251@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
	<20051226001934.GH15251@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051226003302.GC22629@ubuntu>

* David (david at kenpro.com.au) wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 10:08:58PM -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> 
> david at test:/etc $ apt-cache search msttcorefonts
> openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
> openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
> msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> david at test:/etc $
> 
> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
> 
> Is that what you meant?
> 


rafael at ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search msttcorefonts
openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
rafael at ubuntu:~$ 

How is your sources.list??






From rafasch at uol.com.br  Mon Dec 26 00:46:29 2005
From: rafasch at uol.com.br (Rafael Alexandre Schmitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:46:29 -0200
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226003302.GC22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
	<20051226001934.GH15251@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<20051226003302.GC22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <20051226004629.GD22629@ubuntu>

* Rafael Alexandre Schmitt (rafasch at uol.com.br) wrote:
> * David (david at kenpro.com.au) wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 10:08:58PM -0200, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > 
> > 
> > david at test:/etc $ apt-cache search msttcorefonts
> > openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
> > openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
> > msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
> > david at test:/etc $
> > 
> > sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
> > 
> > Is that what you meant?
> > 
> 
> 
> rafael at ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search msttcorefonts
> openoffice.org2 - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
> openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite
> rafael at ubuntu:~$ 
> 
> How is your sources.list??
> 

Nevermind , i fix my sources.list and installed the package.

Thanks.



From julio.biason at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 00:50:04 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:50:04 -0200
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512251650i804ebaby@mail.gmail.com>

On 25/12/05, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt <rafasch at uol.com.br> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?

It is in the multiverse repository.

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From ruscook_oz at yahoo.com.au  Fri Dec 23 07:56:25 2005
From: ruscook_oz at yahoo.com.au (ruscook)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:56:25 +1100
Subject: Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)
In-Reply-To: <1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <43A7F2AB.4020708@optusnet.com.au>
	<1135236155.16835.248.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <1135324585.19314.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 23:22 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:


> > The point of this is to avoid the need for a root account, which 
> > damages security.
> 
> All Unix systems, including all versions of Ubuntu, have a root
> account.  A root account does not damage security.
> 
> The people on this list disagree as to whether a system is more
> or less secure when sudo is used for everything.  I think we can
> all agree it's less convenient.

Not at all. My 78 year old father can do a few admin tasks because
gksudo is setup and he KNOWS his own password. It also means he can't be
permanently logged in as root and forget and do damage to the install.

When he had windows with admin access I used to reinstall between 1 to 3
times a year. Now I upgrade and I've NEVER had to reinstall.

I personally *choose* to set a root password on my on desktop and
server, I don't need it, I'm just paranoid incase my account gets
corrupt. That said, I could use a recover CD but a separate admin
account is easier to just have around. I don't need it to admin the
system. I can get a root terminal either by sudo, su, or logging in as
root (never need this last). Simple day to day admin I do with single
sudo commands or sometimes with Webmin. More complicated application
configs I use sudo or Su to give a full root shell. I'm not a guru, but
I do manage a few services mta, imap, pop, apache, samba, webmin etc..

Bottom line, Linux/Unix is SO flexible there's a dozen ways to do
things, some more technically correct than others but not all are wrong,
so mindset, individual convenience etc, play a large part. 

For my father sudo is a great convenience and he needs to know less. For
me, I keep a root password in the background but find sudo fine as long
as I can get a root terminal when I need one.

Kind Regards Russell
==================
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sales at windsorcycles.com.au
ph. 02 4577 3209
bikes.no-ip.info
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From solicit at hot.ee  Fri Dec 23 22:21:59 2005
From: solicit at hot.ee (Peep Pullerits)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:21:59 +0200
Subject: Esperanto keyboard layout
Message-ID: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee>

I am learning the Esperanto language (see http://www.esperanto.net for
information) and I use Ubuntu to write in it. But because the language
has 6 letters with diacritics - &#365;&#293;&#285;&#309;�&#265; - it is
necessary to use a
special keyboard layout. Right now I did it myself, adding a few lines
to some configuration file, but I would like it if the Esperanto layout
was official in Ubuntu.



I don't have the skills required myself, so I'm asking anyone who does
to help me out. Is it possible?



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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 01:51:38 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:51:38 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>

I'll give that a shot.  Thanks, Derek.

On 25/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
> Michael Richter wrote:
>
> > I've been a fan of Zope since I encountered it a long time ago.  I've
> been
> > able to install and run it in various versions under Windows with no
> > trouble
> > ever.  With Ubuntu, the first Linux distro that has actually begun to
> > supplant my Windows system, I thought it would be a snap, given that
> Zope
> > is, after all, mostly a Unix-oriented environment.  So, I installed
> > Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  Oops.
> >
> > The bottom line is that I can't get this to work at all.  I install
> > Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  The latter asks me for a username and
> > password as well as
> > a port to execute on.  I give it one.  I hit that port in my browser and
> I
> > get the blurb screen.  I try to hit the management console.  It asks for
> a
> > username and password.  I naively give it the one I told it to use.  It
> > refuses to accept it.
>
> Every time I've installed zope (quite a few times by now) it's asked for a
> username and password, but it really only used the password.  The username
> is probably 'admin'!
> --
> derek
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Mon Dec 26 02:22:11 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (Frank McCormick)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:22:11 -0500
Subject: locale problems
Message-ID: <20051225212211.60de4519.fmccormick@videotron.ca>

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Has anyone come up with a  workaround for the locale update problem in
Dapper. It still won't install on my system because of errors being
returned by dpkg.


 -- 


Frank McCormick
   Montreal
   
   
  
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From mez at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec 26 02:22:52 2005
From: mez at ubuntu.com (Martin Meredith)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:22:52 +0000
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <43AF53FC.8070002@ubuntu.com>

Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> 



mez at lethargy:~/downloads/firefox$ apt-cache madison msttcorefonts
msttcorefonts | 1.2ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse
Packages
msttcorefonts | 1.2ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse
Sources
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From gmane.fisheggs at xoxy.net  Sun Dec 25 12:34:14 2005
From: gmane.fisheggs at xoxy.net (Nigel Rowe)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:34:14 +1100
Subject: Keyboard repeates characters & wrong system clock
References: <43973019.3030909@nyware.de>
Message-ID: <dom3k7$kvt$1@sea.gmane.org>

Philip Axer wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a Asus A8N Mainboard Dual Core X2 3800+ with the following kernel:
> Linux philip 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Nov 18 12:20:27 UTC 2005
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> Two problems have occured:
> 
> The minor prob is that after some hours the system clock lives in the
> near future! (up to some hours)
> Sync with a ntp helps for short time.
> 

I've seen something like this, on AMD64_X2, system clock relativly stable
for a while, then suddenly starts gaining time (ie 5-10 mins per hour. 
There's another problem with clock gaining 1 hour per hour, dunno what the
fix is for that one).

There's a message in /var/log/messages about "Many lost ticks" (can't
remember it exactly).

If this is what you've got, add "notsc" to the boot options.  Worked for me.

> The major problem is that my keyboard repeats the pressed charactes
> suddenly! This isn't X fault, the error occurs on the other virtual
> consols either! This is very ugly and occurs only when the system runs
> some hours.
> 
> "This is an exampppppple text with repeattttttttttted characters. You
> can see that this behaviour makes it neaaaaaaaaaaarly impossible to use
> the computer!"
> 
> I think the time and keyboard problem are related in a strange way.
> Hoppppppppppefully somebody can help!
> 

I didn't see this, but if the clock timing is stuffed up, it *may* be
related.


> Philip

-- 
        Nigel Rowe
        A pox upon the spammers that make me write my address like..
                rho (snail) swiftdsl (stop) com (stop) au




From mehdi.public at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 04:47:14 2005
From: mehdi.public at gmail.com (Mehdi Hassanpour)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:17:14 +0330
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <43AF53FC.8070002@ubuntu.com>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu> <43AF53FC.8070002@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1abd6b930512252047k26465840kb57ea3cb287404ac@mail.gmail.com>

This version of msttcorefonts has very few fonts, I remmember an older
version was ~10Mg, containing many more fonts...


On 12/26/05, Martin Meredith <mez at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> >
>
>
>
> mez at lethargy:~/downloads/firefox$ apt-cache madison msttcorefonts
> msttcorefonts | 1.2ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse
> Packages
> msttcorefonts | 1.2ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse
> Sources
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
>


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From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 04:49:07 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:49:07 +1300
Subject: MySql Control Centre
Message-ID: <10681b470512252049q5e059fe2je0ff13d7bc29d3a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

How do I get MySql Control Centre. I tried looking for it in Synaptic but no
luck. Does anyone know what the package is called?

Thanks,

Paul
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 26 08:35:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:35:23 -0500
Subject: All XP software for cheap
References: <ENHPnhSsQw3hoiSCJXP3r98D@beachglassdirect.com>
Message-ID: <peterbrowne.20n2gm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


spam sux


-- 
peterbrowne



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 26 09:28:57 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:28:57 -0500
Subject: Problems with Kino
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
	<1135511623.7099.8.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<binks.20liwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <binks.20n58m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


yep you are right thats cured it cheers m8

binks


-- 
binks



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 10:18:18 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:18:18 +0200
Subject: xscreensaver strange behaviour
Message-ID: <1135592298.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I've made the following script to load zsnes while disabling screensaver
and power management:

#!/bin/bash

xset -dpms
xscreensaver-command -exit

zsnes

xset +dpms
xscreensaver &

exit


When I launch this everything goes correctly, xscreensaver is killed and
power management stays off while zsnes is running. If I launch this
script from the terminal though, xscreensaver is not started afterwards.
It's only started if I launch system monitor from the menu, at which
point it writes on the prompt:

xscreensaver: 12:17:52: 0: unrecognised ClientMessage
"_GTK_LOAD_ICONTHEMES" received
xscreensaver: 12:17:52: 0: for window 0xa00001 (xscreensaver)

And it's killed again.

Any help?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 26 11:57:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:57:54 -0500
Subject: Neomagic MagicGraph 128ZV video card
References: <70de64660412240826604e1ce1@mail.gmail.com>
	<41CD405C.2000005@hauberg.org>
	<jackwhite.1yranb@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Wolfton.20nbpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have a Neomagic MagicGraph AV256 on a Compaq Presario 1900T.  On my
older Craptop, I forgot which version of Presario it was, I had the
same card.  It is both video and audio, and both the A and the V work
in Windows.  The V works perfectly in Linux, unless I'm running Qemu on
a Windows host.  The Video works in Qemu with a Linux host, but the
Audio doesn't work at all in Linux.



The SAME card worked on the older latop, with Ubuntu 4 and Knoppix,
both in the Live and full installs.  I just can't figure out why it
won't work in the new laptop.



Any suggestIons?


-- 
Wolfton



From ehodgins at telusplanet.net  Mon Dec 26 12:42:19 2005
From: ehodgins at telusplanet.net (Hodgins Family)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 05:42:19 -0700
Subject: MySql Control Centre
In-Reply-To: <10681b470512252049q5e059fe2je0ff13d7bc29d3a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10681b470512252049q5e059fe2je0ff13d7bc29d3a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AFE52B.4050902@telusplanet.net>

Good morning!

> How do I get MySql Control Centre. I tried looking for it in Synaptic 
> but no luck. Does anyone know what the package is called?

I think that it is not longer being developed. MySQL Administrator is 
the replcaement. However you can google for locations to download older 
versions, like here: 
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/downloads/mysqlcc.html

HTH

Rob



From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Mon Dec 26 13:56:05 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:56:05 +0000
Subject: Line graphics on linux console
Message-ID: <200512261356.05641.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

Hello,
  How I can get line graphics character on linux console 
(box windows similar on vt100) - what is line graphcs characters ?

Thanks



From stsykin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 14:00:40 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:00:40 +1100
Subject: New LCD Monitor "Just Worked" (?)
Message-ID: <43AFF788.3070906@optusnet.com.au>

Even if the new monitor just worked, it may be worth reconfiguring the 
x-server so as to be sure the monitor is being used to its full potential.



From stsykin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 14:02:58 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:02:58 +1100
Subject: synaptic manager not working
Message-ID: <43AFF812.3030109@optusnet.com.au>

If it could not fetch a file, that probably means that you typed the 
server name incorrectly in /etc/apt/sources.list



From stsykin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 14:04:22 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:04:22 +1100
Subject: msttcorefontsq
Message-ID: <43AFF866.1060206@optusnet.com.au>

To obtain msttcorefonts in breezy, simply add the universe and 
multiverse repositories and then type sudo apt-get update && sudo 
apt-get install msttcorefonts.



From peevee.chaitanya at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 14:05:09 2005
From: peevee.chaitanya at gmail.com (peevee)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:35:09 +0530
Subject: synaptic manager not working
In-Reply-To: <43AFF812.3030109@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AFF812.3030109@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <48bd74c50512260605x4ed2c2d3i435a03ed4822b9c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If it could not fetch a file, that probably means that you typed the
> server name incorrectly in /etc/apt/sources.list
>

hi thanks for replying, I got it solved ,
this problem is because of my DLINK DSL modem, its assigning a wrong
NAMERSERVER to resolv.conf,
so i have to manually edit it each time i login,,,
I read some posts saying that DLINK DSL modem is not so good, in this
matter...


--
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From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Mon Dec 26 14:26:15 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:26:15 +0000
Subject: DNS unreliable with a Linksys ADSL2MUE adsl modem
Message-ID: <1135607175.8800.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have a Linksys ADSL2MUE modem, connected to a Linksys WRT54G
wireless/wired router.

When I first set this up, back in May this year, I found that there was
a problem with DNS and DHCP using Ubuntu (Hoary back then, Breezy now).

I have set the modem to act as a DHCP server, this hands out address
leases to wired and wireless machines without apparent problems.  It
also sets the DNS to its own address (192.168.1.1).  If my laptop is
running Windows 98 this works fine.  Under Ubuntu I don't get a DNS
service on any of my machines.

The fix that has worked for me so far is one that others have also used
with this and other modems, it is to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so
that the line "prepend domain-name-servers" is uncommented (active) and
fill in the domain name servers you wish to use in that line.  This fix
works, as the DNS addresses entered here are placed before the modem's
DNS address and are therefore tried first.  However it isn't exactly
elegant, and if the servers you have entered aren't available then there
is no fallback.

I recently found a link which suggests a more elegant method.
http://johnwilger.com/articles/2005/12/13/ubuntu-5-10-breezy-badger-update-dns-when-obtaining-dhcp-lease-on-windows-network

Basically what is suggested is to edit dhclient.conf so that the line
with "send host-name" is uncommented and set to your hostname.  For me
the following line works fine.

send host-name "localhost.localdomain";

Naturally this also works with the actual literal hostname.

Fine so far;  I am now obtaining my DNS service from the modem, which is
patching me through to the DNS provided by my ISP.  If they change the
DNS addresses, the modem should be updated by them and all will continue
to work.  Nice.

My problem?  This works on the first machine I tried it on, but not on
the subsequent two (both also running Breezy).  They still require the
cruder fix of prepending fixed DNS addresses.  Does anyone have any idea
what might be going on here?

Neil

PS  Thanks to Cory Burger for updating the modem howto information on
the wiki.  It is now well cool and made reinstalling a mate's EP536
modem much easier.
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From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 15:03:59 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:59 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
Message-ID: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to install Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net/).
Before I install this, I needed to install PHP on my system. I
installed PHP using 'sudo apt-get install php5' and installation went
with no problem.

However, whenever I try to open 'index.php' with Firefox web browser,
it cannot recognize the php file such that it tries to open it with a
text editor. (Firefox and Mozilla can never open the php file.)

1. How do I check whether my PHP installation is sound on my system?
2. Suppose my PHP installation is good, how do I install the Gallery2
from Sourceforge?

Thanks,



From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec 26 15:26:07 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:26:07 +0100
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:59 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I am trying to install Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net/).
> Before I install this, I needed to install PHP on my system. I
> installed PHP using 'sudo apt-get install php5' and installation went
> with no problem.
> 
> However, whenever I try to open 'index.php' with Firefox web browser,
> it cannot recognize the php file such that it tries to open it with a
> text editor. (Firefox and Mozilla can never open the php file.)

install libapache2-mod-php5

see also :
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installphpapache


-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 15:27:56 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:27:56 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu Artwork/ General Meeting invitation
Message-ID: <1135610877.7099.44.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

Hi all, Ubunteros and fans,

Artwork Team is trying real hard to make things better and easier for
everybody. There are lots of stuff that need to be done, lots of great
ideas, lots of enthusiasm but not wisely organized :(

There's XFCE work, KDE work, GNOME work, Fluxbox work, WindowMaker work,
Enlightenment work, wallpapers, icons, etc.

So, if you use or care to customize your desktop, or have ideas to
improve art related things, or just want to hear what others have to
say.. be there with us in that meeting, please.

This is why we invite you to attend next first official meeting. We need
to hear from people's ideas and suggestions. We need to work closely one
to another (less 'island' work) in a more organized way.

Please state your vote to which date is better for you
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting

The current Agenda
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamMeetingAgendas

Detailed list of things we have to organize
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal

We can add names and dates here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList

-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Ubuntu Chile LoCo team
http://ubuntu-cl.org

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile

irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

ID #287183
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From michael at weblore.com  Mon Dec 26 15:36:22 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:36:22 -0600
Subject: usb problems
Message-ID: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com>

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I'm still trying to get my printer (Epson C84) setup in ubuntu. The
printer - like most today, is connected by a usb port. When I finally
managed to get the printer into a configuration file, I noted that the
port picked by the configurator, is /dev/usb/lp0 - which makes
absolutely no sense.

I looked a little closer, and it doesn't appear that I have *ANY* usb
ports in /dev. Either (a) I'm losing it or (b) something wasn't properly
detected when I changed to ubuntu a couple of weeks ago.

Can anyone help me get the USB ports properly set up so I can put my
printer on it? I do appreciate all help.

- ---Michael

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From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 15:38:55 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:38:55 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

I already went through the relevant steps that you have forwarded to
me. But, the Firefox still doesn't understand the php file. (It just
open the file with a text editor. I forced to open the php file with
Firefox, but it just open a new window asking to open with a text
editor.)

What sort of problem would this be?



On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:59 +0000
> Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to install Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net/).
> > Before I install this, I needed to install PHP on my system. I
> > installed PHP using 'sudo apt-get install php5' and installation went
> > with no problem.
> >
> > However, whenever I try to open 'index.php' with Firefox web browser,
> > it cannot recognize the php file such that it tries to open it with a
> > text editor. (Firefox and Mozilla can never open the php file.)
>
> install libapache2-mod-php5
>
> see also :
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installphpapache
>
>
> --
> grtjs, albi
> gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>



From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec 26 15:43:24 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:43:24 +0100
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:38:55 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I already went through the relevant steps that you have forwarded to
> me. But, the Firefox still doesn't understand the php file. (It just
> open the file with a text editor. I forced to open the php file with
> Firefox, but it just open a new window asking to open with a text
> editor.)
> 
> What sort of problem would this be?

you have these lines somewhere in your apache-config ? :

LoadModule php5_module
DirectoryIndex index.html index.html.var index.php
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

if so, it could be a firefox-bug, some months ago i encountered the
same thing and it all worked fine in mozilla and epiphany-browser but
not in firefox

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 15:56:47 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:56:47 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>

No. I don't think that I have those part in my Apache2 configuration
file. Would you kindly see in which I should insert the part?

Here is my Apache2 config file.
http://www.cyon.org.uk/~soohyunc/apache2.conf

Thanks,


On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:38:55 +0000
> Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > I already went through the relevant steps that you have forwarded to
> > me. But, the Firefox still doesn't understand the php file. (It just
> > open the file with a text editor. I forced to open the php file with
> > Firefox, but it just open a new window asking to open with a text
> > editor.)
> >
> > What sort of problem would this be?
>
> you have these lines somewhere in your apache-config ? :
>
> LoadModule php5_module
> DirectoryIndex index.html index.html.var index.php
> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
>
> if so, it could be a firefox-bug, some months ago i encountered the
> same thing and it all worked fine in mozilla and epiphany-browser but
> not in firefox
>
> --
> grtjs, albi
> gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>



From jgotangco at ubuntu.com  Mon Dec 26 16:04:12 2005
From: jgotangco at ubuntu.com (Jerome Gotangco)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:04:12 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Artwork/ General Meeting invitation
In-Reply-To: <1135610877.7099.44.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
References: <1135610877.7099.44.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
Message-ID: <c138e6150512260804w26b7bd8dgd1eda0d9b1e2a80d@mail.gmail.com>

Guys don't forget we have art.ubuntu.com there's already good work
being done in that portal (home grown even!) and we need suggestions
to improve it further. This is one area that the art team would excel
as well.

Cheers,

Jerome Gotangco
jgotangco at ubuntu.com | jgotangco at gmail.com
Mobile: +639196555242
GPG: 0xA97B69A0



From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec 26 16:13:58 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:13:58 +0100
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:56:47 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> No. I don't think that I have those part in my Apache2 configuration
> file. Would you kindly see in which I should insert the part?
> 
> Here is my Apache2 config file.
> http://www.cyon.org.uk/~soohyunc/apache2.conf

ok, this works for me (in a terminal) :

sudo su -
cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load php5.load
ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf php5.conf
/etc/init.d/apache2 restart

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 16:25:26 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:26 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>

I followed through your procedures, but Mozilla still doesn't
understand the php file.

1. In the Mozilla window, it says the below if I try to open an index.php file.
<The file "index.php" is of type application/x-php (PHP script), and
Mozilla does not know how to handle this file type.>

2. I have the following soft links in my /etc/apache2/mods-enabled directory.
root at quokka:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled # ll
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 40 Dec 25 18:00 actions.load ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/actions.load
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 36 Dec 24 22:50 cgi.load ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 36 Sep 19 16:55 jk2.conf ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/jk2.conf
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 36 Sep 19 16:55 jk2.load ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/jk2.load
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 37 Dec 26 16:30 php5.conf ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 37 Dec 26 16:30 php5.load ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 40 Sep 15 23:06 userdir.conf ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 40 Sep 15 23:06 userdir.load ->
/etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load
root at quokka:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled #


Am I still missing something?



On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:56:47 +0000
> Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > No. I don't think that I have those part in my Apache2 configuration
> > file. Would you kindly see in which I should insert the part?
> >
> > Here is my Apache2 config file.
> > http://www.cyon.org.uk/~soohyunc/apache2.conf
>
> ok, this works for me (in a terminal) :
>
> sudo su -
> cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
> ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load php5.load
> ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf php5.conf
> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
>
> --
> grtjs, albi
> gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>



From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec 26 16:34:48 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:34:48 +0100
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051226173448.cc4b6d79.albi@scii.nl>

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:26 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I followed through your procedures, but Mozilla still doesn't
> understand the php file.
> 
> 1. In the Mozilla window, it says the below if I try to open an
> index.php file. <The file "index.php" is of type application/x-php
> (PHP script), and Mozilla does not know how to handle this file type.>

perhaps you need to use "reload" or shutdown the browser and try again

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 16:51:09 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:51:09 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <20051226173448.cc4b6d79.albi@scii.nl>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226173448.cc4b6d79.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512260851n4f73afb5qc0dd775b1a870f1f@mail.gmail.com>

So, in your system, http://www.cyon.org.uk/~soohyunc/test.php is working fine?

Mine still doesn't work.

:'(


On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:26 +0000
> Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > I followed through your procedures, but Mozilla still doesn't
> > understand the php file.
> >
> > 1. In the Mozilla window, it says the below if I try to open an
> > index.php file. <The file "index.php" is of type application/x-php
> > (PHP script), and Mozilla does not know how to handle this file type.>
>
> perhaps you need to use "reload" or shutdown the browser and try again
>
> --
> grtjs, albi
> gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>



From michael at weblore.com  Mon Dec 26 16:53:23 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:53:23 -0600
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>	<20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B02003.807@weblore.com>

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Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
| I followed through your procedures, but Mozilla still doesn't
| understand the php file.

I must be missing something on the question. Mozilla won't understand
the php file - that's the function of the web *SERVER* not the web
*BROWSER*. Apache / Apache2 / whatever handles the php file and hands
the output to the web browser which then displays the processed text.
Mozilla doesn't understand server side included, either.


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From albi at scii.nl  Mon Dec 26 17:04:04 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:04:04 +0100
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260851n4f73afb5qc0dd775b1a870f1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226164324.f2c6f151.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260756y2460777j5efa04e0f8788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226171358.aaf5fb43.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260825g2c42dc52xcee328e93697948c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226173448.cc4b6d79.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260851n4f73afb5qc0dd775b1a870f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051226180404.ecf74da2.albi@scii.nl>

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:51:09 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> So, in your system, http://www.cyon.org.uk/~soohyunc/test.php is
> working fine?

yes, and i've tried it from this too : http://nl3.php.net/phpinfo

i'm using breezy, and i have these php- and apache-packages installed :
apache2-common
apache2-mpm-prefork
apache2-utils
libapache2-mod-php5
php5-common

ls -la /etc/apache2/mods-enabled :
actions.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/actions.load 
cgi.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load
php5.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf
php5.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load 
userdir.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf
userdir.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load

i've installed apache + php5 like this :
sudo apt-get remove apache2* php5*
sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5

then made the (above) symlinks and then :
sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From ralfepoisson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 17:38:29 2005
From: ralfepoisson at gmail.com (Ralfe Poisson)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:38:29 +0200
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B02A95.6020101@gmail.com>

Soo-Hyun,

I just want to explain that your problem has nothing to do with FireFox. 
The problem is with Apache. PHP files are parsed through the PHP 
preprocessor when your browser makes a query from the web server. If you 
were to try and load the files directly into firefox, you would either 
get the source code, or firefox would try and download the php files. 
Thus, you must make sure that you are accessing them through the Apache 
server, and that the httpd.conf file is setup correctly to forward *.php 
files to the php preprocessor.

Hope that makes it a bit clearer.

Regards,
Ralfe

"Open the Doors and Smash the Windows."
=======================================
           RALFE POISSON
          Systems Analyst
         ModernAbstraction

 email:ralfe at modernabstraction.za.org
  web: www.modernabstraction.za.org
=======================================



Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:

>Thanks!
>
>I already went through the relevant steps that you have forwarded to
>me. But, the Firefox still doesn't understand the php file. (It just
>open the file with a text editor. I forced to open the php file with
>Firefox, but it just open a new window asking to open with a text
>editor.)
>
>What sort of problem would this be?
>
>
>
>On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:59 +0000
>>Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am trying to install Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net/).
>>>Before I install this, I needed to install PHP on my system. I
>>>installed PHP using 'sudo apt-get install php5' and installation went
>>>with no problem.
>>>
>>>However, whenever I try to open 'index.php' with Firefox web browser,
>>>it cannot recognize the php file such that it tries to open it with a
>>>text editor. (Firefox and Mozilla can never open the php file.)
>>>      
>>>
>>install libapache2-mod-php5
>>
>>see also :
>>http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installphpapache
>>
>>
>>--
>>grtjs, albi
>>gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
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From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Dec 26 18:13:48 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:13:48 +0000
Subject: Sourceforge Gallery2 and PHP
In-Reply-To: <43B02A95.6020101@gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512260703w6703f7e1y112af438287a07a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051226162607.71f5e4ee.albi@scii.nl>
	<f64556f70512260738y31b39dfcjebc7eaca6b50cd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B02A95.6020101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512261013t579ceab0ha25dbec3f6c7d48e@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant!

I solved the problem finally. The problem was that I was trying to
open the php file with firefox by doing 'file->open file" something
like that, which was nothing related to Apache. I tried to open the
php file by putting the php file under web directory, it worked to me.

This was just my silly mistake. ;-)

Thanks to all who corresponded to this thread.


On 12/26/05, Ralfe Poisson <ralfepoisson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Soo-Hyun,
>
> I just want to explain that your problem has nothing to do with FireFox. The
> problem is with Apache. PHP files are parsed through the PHP preprocessor
> when your browser makes a query from the web server. If you were to try and
> load the files directly into firefox, you would either get the source code,
> or firefox would try and download the php files. Thus, you must make sure
> that you are accessing them through the Apache server, and that the
> httpd.conf file is setup correctly to forward *.php files to the php
> preprocessor.
>
> Hope that makes it a bit clearer.
>
> Regards,
> Ralfe
> "Open the Doors and Smash the
> Windows."
=======================================
RALFE
> POISSON
Systems Analyst
ModernAbstraction

> email:ralfe at modernabstraction.za.org
web:
> www.modernabstraction.za.org
=======================================
>
>
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> Thanks!

I already went through the relevant steps that you have forwarded
> to
me. But, the Firefox still doesn't understand the php file. (It just
open
> the file with a text editor. I forced to open the php file with
Firefox, but
> it just open a new window asking to open with a text
editor.)

What sort of
> problem would this be?



On 12/26/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:59 +0000
Soo-Hyun Choi
> <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:


> I am trying to install Gallery (http://gallery.sourceforge.net/).
Before I
> install this, I needed to install PHP on my system. I
installed PHP using
> 'sudo apt-get install php5' and installation went
with no problem.

However,
> whenever I try to open 'index.php' with Firefox web browser,
it cannot
> recognize the php file such that it tries to open it with a
text editor.
> (Firefox and Mozilla can never open the php file.)

> install libapache2-mod-php5

see also
> :
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installphpapache


--
grtjs,
> albi
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>
>
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 26 19:27:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:27:27 -0500
Subject: HP Scanjet 4370
References: <509d63b70510130202t5c1c64bxf1b5b0cff3bed92d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daller.20nx0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It's unsupported!



http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD



Use the ebay-patch! :)


-- 
daller



From wpoland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 20:54:41 2005
From: wpoland at gmail.com (Byron Poland)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:54:41 -0500
Subject: HP Scanjet 4370
In-Reply-To: <daller.20nx0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <509d63b70510130202t5c1c64bxf1b5b0cff3bed92d@mail.gmail.com>
	<daller.20nx0m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <ff026c520512261254u5627f5d1na5ea737eb49d0744@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> It's unsupported!
>
>
>
> http://sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD
>
>
>
> Use the ebay-patch! :)
>
>
> --
> daller
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>


try Vuescan.  its not Free Software, but is a very good program.  You
can download a demo for free.



From irenezd at patriot.net  Mon Dec 26 21:29:45 2005
From: irenezd at patriot.net (Irene Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:29:45 -0500
Subject: How to Configure a PDF Printer
Message-ID: <1135632585.9112.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

How does one configure a PDF printer in Ubuntu-5.10?

Noticed it is detected but selecting a generic postscript or color
postscript does not result in filename dialog, etc.

Help please.

Irene





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Mon Dec 26 22:21:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: Firestarter]
References: <1108043069.4397.25.camel@localhost.localdomain><pan.2005.02.10.14.11.51.779080@gmail.com><1108067949.4335.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<2991d56c0503111023417aa77a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <razumihin666.20o5cm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have tried adding "gksudo" as mentioned above and I still get an error
message when I log in to Ubuntu. (In fact, it already had "gksudo"
before the dir path)



Anyone else?


-- 
razumihin666



From almark at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 22:38:53 2005
From: almark at gmail.com (Mark Doeglas)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:38:53 +0100
Subject: How to Configure a PDF Printer
In-Reply-To: <1135632585.9112.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135632585.9112.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4dd33d690512261438i3c59f971h8450c15da7da3479@mail.gmail.com>

Did you try to install cups-pdf ?

On 12/26/05, Irene Zimmermann <irenezd at patriot.net> wrote:
> How does one configure a PDF printer in Ubuntu-5.10?
>
> Noticed it is detected but selecting a generic postscript or color
> postscript does not result in filename dialog, etc.
>
> Help please.
>
> Irene
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 27 01:47:33 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:47:33 +1100
Subject: sound help needed... PLEASE
Message-ID: <20051227014732.GB23826@mail.kenpro.com.au>


All I ever get is loud static which comes through "analog front" only, 
regardless of settings. Switching ON SPDIF in alsamixer stops the static but 
then I get silence. Moving the slider to minimum OR maximum stops the static 
but doesn't control the volume.

lspci says:
0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS

I've played with alsamixer to no avail. I've also followed the detailed
instructions at:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753

I've been through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems 

Google isn't helping so far. I installed the card after upgrading to Breezy. 
Prior to that, the box had no sound card at all.

Could this be a driver problem? How would I know which chipset/which driver etc?


Unfortunately, this is stopping me from doing an urgent job. Can anyone help? 
Please? Pretty Please?

David.



From ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca  Tue Dec 27 03:21:31 2005
From: ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca (Ryan Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:21:31 -0400
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
Message-ID: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
me in the right direction?




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 27 03:44:23 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:44:23 -0500
Subject: totem-xine needs restart
References: <1101902867.4363.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<wolovids.1gl69n@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <encompass.20ok5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I had the same blue screen error, but your setting I found last week,
trying and did not work.  Anyothers ideas?


-- 
encompass



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 04:42:28 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:42:28 +0500
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 330
In-Reply-To: <E1EquOp-0006sN-2S@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EquOp-0006sN-2S@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B0C634.2090107@gmail.com>

Hi Haris,

Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote:

>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:56:05 +0000
>From: Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu>
>Subject: Line graphics on linux console
>  How I can get line graphics character on linux console 
>(box windows similar on vt100) - what is line graphcs characters ?
>  
>
There is a Curses (perhaps NCurses also) library in Unix/Linux that you 
can use to create line graphics characters.

--
HTH,

Asif




From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 04:55:47 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:55:47 +0500
Subject: Line graphics on linux console 
In-Reply-To: <E1EquOp-0006sN-2S@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EquOp-0006sN-2S@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B0C953.8070803@gmail.com>

Hi Haris,

Sorry, I forgot to change the subject.

Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:56:05 +0000
> From: Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu>
> Subject: Line graphics on linux console
>  How I can get line graphics character on linux console (box windows 
> similar on vt100) - what is line graphcs characters ?
>  
>
There is a Curses (perhaps NCurses also) library in Unix/Linux that you 
can use to create line graphics characters.

-- 
HTH,

Asif




From ubuntu at david.endeavorcomputing.com  Tue Dec 27 05:27:07 2005
From: ubuntu at david.endeavorcomputing.com (David Strauss)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:27:07 -0600
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> me in the right direction?

There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.

-- 
David Strauss <ubuntu at david.endeavorcomputing.com>




From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 27 06:14:26 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:14:26 +1100
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:27:07PM -0600, David Strauss wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> > posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> > telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> > because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> > me in the right direction?
> 
> There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> 


which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything 
I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(

David



From matt at v8zman.com  Tue Dec 27 06:35:23 2005
From: matt at v8zman.com (Matt Patterson)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:35:23 -0500
Subject: USB 2.0 problems after Breezy upgrade
In-Reply-To: <43AE2ADC.5060301@ubuntu.com>
References: <43AD5871.60706@v8zman.com> <43AE2ADC.5060301@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B0E0AB.3010701@v8zman.com>

No, I am running a stock kernel. The new one that just came with the 
Breezy upgrade in fact.

I also have good news, I got usb 2.0 working again. I had to turn off 
the computer, unplug it from the wall, press the power button to 
discharge the supply, then plug it back in and turn it on. Simple 
reboots had no effect on the problem. Apparently it was just a buggy usb 
2.0 card. We'll see if it crashes again later on. It might have been 
something as simple as two different drivers loading and frieking out a 
cheap usb 2.0 card.

Matt



Martin Meredith wrote:

>Are you usign a custom kernel?
>
>Can you provide any more information about the setup/stats of your system?
>
>Have you recently upgraded your BIOS?	
>
>Matt Patterson wrote:
>  
>
>>I just realized this morning that my usb 2.0 card doesnt work after the
>>Breezy upgrade. Here's what dmesg has to say:
>>
>>
>>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0c.3[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
>>[4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller
>>[4378662.731000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: debug port 1
>>[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: can't reset
>>[4378662.757000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0c.3 disabled
>>[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd 0000:00:0c.3: init 0000:00:0c.3 fail, -110
>>[4378662.757000] ehci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:0c.3 failed with error -110
>>
>>
>>Anybody got any ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Matt
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From ubantu001 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 07:17:13 2005
From: ubantu001 at gmail.com (Paul Thompson)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:17:13 +1300
Subject: MySql Control Centre
In-Reply-To: <43AFE52B.4050902@telusplanet.net>
References: <10681b470512252049q5e059fe2je0ff13d7bc29d3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AFE52B.4050902@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <10681b470512262317u25f6bd80k45283e6d39865efc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Rob

Paul

On 12/27/05, Hodgins Family <ehodgins at telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> Good morning!
>
> > How do I get MySql Control Centre. I tried looking for it in Synaptic
> > but no luck. Does anyone know what the package is called?
>
> I think that it is not longer being developed. MySQL Administrator is
> the replcaement. However you can google for locations to download older
> versions, like here:
> http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/downloads/mysqlcc.html
>
> HTH
>
> Rob
>
> --
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From ompaul at eircom.net  Tue Dec 27 08:11:42 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:11:42 +0000
Subject: usb problems
In-Reply-To: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com>
References: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <43B0F73E.3040306@eircom.net>

Michael Satterwhite wrote:

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> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm still trying to get my printer (Epson C84) setup in ubuntu. The
> printer - like most today, is connected by a usb port. When I finally
> managed to get the printer into a configuration file, I noted that the
> port picked by the configurator, is /dev/usb/lp0 - which makes
> absolutely no sense.
>
> I looked a little closer, and it doesn't appear that I have *ANY* usb
> ports in /dev. Either (a) I'm losing it or (b) something wasn't properly
> detected when I changed to ubuntu a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Can anyone help me get the USB ports properly set up so I can put my
> printer on it? I do appreciate all help.
>
> - ---Michael
>
Hi,

I find it to be the same:

ompaul at dhcppc0:/dev/usb$ ls -l
total 0
crw-rw----  1 root lp 180, 0 2005-12-24 20:58 lp0

This machine has been around for months so the date my be a clues as to
what has been happening.
As of the 2.6 kernel dev is no longer static it is this new udev
creature from the deep and it is created on the fly.
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html

To set up your printer consider doing this from the menu.

System -> Administration -> Printing

It should be pretty automagic after that, do set the printer as default :)

Some more info is here,
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticPrinterConfiguration?highlight=%28printer%29
and more stuff here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=printer&titlesearch=Titles

Hope this is useful.

Regards,

Paul




From Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in  Tue Dec 27 09:12:51 2005
From: Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in (Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:42:51 +0530
Subject: Problem after Breezy Upgrade
Message-ID: <OF60EBB8F5.281132B1-ON652570E4.003245C1-652570E4.00329D37@tatatel.co.in>


Dear Friends
I am a novice user of linux who justwanted to learn linux through use.
I have upgraded my computer to Breezy (5.10) from 5.04 and started gettting
following  problem.
   System freezes without any reason
   I could not run Synaptic, Users-admin, disks-admin, Networks-admin etc
   program from Root terminal.
   My PC is PIV 2.6 Ghz, 512 mb ram but system si slow.

please help me

Regards
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From serg.belokamen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 09:56:48 2005
From: serg.belokamen at gmail.com (Serg Belokamen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:56:48 +1100
Subject: Dual head system setup
In-Reply-To: <20051224184409.GA7588@home.tig-grr.com>
References: <1135072007.7015.4.camel@showof>
	<20051224184409.GA7588@home.tig-grr.com>
Message-ID: <9f3bd8840512270156l7147bae6s@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy All,

One fryed mother board later (by my own grotty hands) I got the dual
head setup going. Wasn't hard at all. Just needed to get digital to DB
type adaptor for one of the connectors on the gfx card.

If anyone interested on exact details email me directly. And I will
reply to you and mailing list in the next few days when I get back
from my holiday (damn cant keep away from computer even on holiday).


   Cheers,
      Serg



From broek at cc.umanitoba.ca  Tue Dec 27 09:01:01 2005
From: broek at cc.umanitoba.ca (Brian van den Broek)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Knoppc 4.0 K'ed my breezy boot splash--how to revert?
Message-ID: <loom.20051227T094843-341@post.gmane.org>

Hi all,
u
Brand new to ubuntu and linux. I installed ubuntu breezy, but also put on
kbunutu desktop, so I could see what I liked best brtween KDE/Gnome. 

Everytime I booted up, I got the ubuntu boot splash, as expected. Today, trying
to tace down a hardware problem, I booted up with Knoppix 4.0. Now my boot
splash is the kubuntu one. That seems rude :-) 

This linux newbie has no idea how to fix that. What would I need to look into?

And for those who are thinking "but Knoppix doesn't change anything
permanently", I understand the scepticism. All I can tell you is after 30+ boots
with the ubuntu artwork, one knoppix boot just long enough to run acpi -V later,
and the art has changed.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 27 12:13:51 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:13:51 -0500
Subject: Knoppc 4.0 K'ed my breezy boot splash--how to revert?
References: <loom.20051227T094843-341@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <SavageBeginner.20p7ba@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Try this:


Code:
--------------------
    sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
--------------------


-- 
SavageBeginner



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 27 13:01:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:01:11 -0500
Subject: synaptic manager not working
References: <48bd74c50512251240q37e97001p97d9fbe538b0bc5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <desperate_cry.20pa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the same problem, nobody has a solution for the topic?


-- 
desperate_cry



From michael at weblore.com  Tue Dec 27 13:25:23 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:25:23 -0600
Subject: usb problems
In-Reply-To: <43B0F73E.3040306@eircom.net>
References: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com> <43B0F73E.3040306@eircom.net>
Message-ID: <43B140C3.90607@weblore.com>

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Paul O'Malley wrote:

|
| To set up your printer consider doing this from the menu.
|
| System -> Administration -> Printing

I've done this. After choosing the printer, the machine runs for a bit,
then gets an error:

Unable to load the requested driver:
Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C84,gimp-print].
Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required
permissions to perform that operation.

I'm running in administrator mode, so I'm guessing the driver doesn not
exist - but I don't see any way to define it.

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From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 13:33:24 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:33:24 +1100
Subject: usb problems
Message-ID: <43B142A4.7040208@optusnet.com.au>

Check that your usb 2.0 is enabled in your motherboard's bios



From stsykin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 13:34:56 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:34:56 +1100
Subject: Re; Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
Message-ID: <43B14300.6080603@optusnet.com.au>

Some progrmas sometimes require extra configuration, eg. xmms. Send more 
detail please.



From michael at weblore.com  Tue Dec 27 14:08:31 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:08:31 -0600
Subject: usb problems
In-Reply-To: <43B142A4.7040208@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43B142A4.7040208@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <43B14ADF.1000403@weblore.com>

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Sasha Tsykin wrote:
| Check that your usb 2.0 is enabled in your motherboard's bios

I'll check again, but the usb printer was running under debian before I
switched to Kubuntu


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From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 27 14:35:52 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:35:52 -0600
Subject: synaptic manager not working
In-Reply-To: <desperate_cry.20pa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <48bd74c50512251240q37e97001p97d9fbe538b0bc5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<desperate_cry.20pa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051227083552.3dc6fda8@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:01:11 -0500
'Forum Post
<ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote:

> 
> I have the same problem, nobody has a solution for the topic?
> 
I can't see the problem for it has been snipped.  Possibly you should
run Synaptic from a terminal and see what it puts out if it fails.
yourmachine:~$ <sudo synaptic>
password: <your password>

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From lgrover at zoominternet.net  Tue Dec 27 14:43:15 2005
From: lgrover at zoominternet.net (Larry Grover)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:43:15 -0500
Subject: Knoppc 4.0 K'ed my breezy boot splash--how to revert?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20051227T094843-341@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20051227T094843-341@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <43B15303.9080606@zoominternet.net>

Brian van den Broek wrote:
> Hi all,
> u
> Brand new to ubuntu and linux. I installed ubuntu breezy, but also put on
> kbunutu desktop, so I could see what I liked best brtween KDE/Gnome. 

When you installed the kubuntu-desktop package, it brought in the 
kubuntu-artwork-usplash package, which contains the kbunutu themed boot 
splash.

> Everytime I booted up, I got the ubuntu boot splash, as expected. Today, trying
> to tace down a hardware problem, I booted up with Knoppix 4.0. Now my boot
> splash is the kubuntu one. That seems rude :-) 

Well, this has nothing to do with Knoppix -- by coincidence the first 
time you rebooted after the new (kubuntu) boot splash was installed and 
configured (automatically) you just happened to reboot into knoppix.  If 
you had simply rebooted into K/Ubuntu, you would have seen the same thing.

> This linux newbie has no idea how to fix that. What would I need to look into?


I've never done this, but there is a page in the wiki which describes 
the process of creating and configuring a custom boot splash:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto?highlight=%28usplash%29

Based on the information here, I think what you need to do is:

(1) Open some type of terminal (gnome-terminal, konsole, etc)

(2) From the command line, run this command:

	sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so

Enter your password at the prompt, then you should see output something 
like this:



There are 3 alternatives which provide `usplash-artwork.so'.

   Selection    Alternative
-----------------------------------------------
       1        /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-default.so
*+    2        /usr/lib/usplash/xubuntu-splash.so
       3        /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so

Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number:



If you want the default Ubuntu-themed boot splash, select the number 
corresponding to usplash-default.so.  On my system, this would be number 
1 (I have three alternatives because I have installed kubuntu-desktop 
and xubuntu-desktop, in addition to the gnome ubuntu-desktop).

(3) Last, run this command:

	sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)

I believe this command rebuilds the initial ramfs used by the kernel 
when it boots, and which contains the boot splash image.

This should fix things the way you want.

> And for those who are thinking "but Knoppix doesn't change anything
> permanently", I understand the scepticism. All I can tell you is after 30+ boots
> with the ubuntu artwork, one knoppix boot just long enough to run acpi -V later,
> and the art has changed.

Well, I still think Knoppix doesn't change anything permenantly (unless 
you explicitly tell it to).  However, your Ubuntu system does sometimes 
change things without telling you -- like the boot splash image when you 
install a new *ubuntu-desktop.  I guess it would be a little friendlier 
if the system asked you to select a preferred boot splash when you 
install a second (or third) *ubuntu-desktop package, but it doesn't.

Regards,
Larry



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Dec 26 15:39:11 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:39:11 -0400
Subject: DNS unreliable with a Linksys ADSL2MUE adsl modem
References: <1135607175.8800.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <vdf583-37b.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

neil woolford wrote:

> I have a Linksys ADSL2MUE modem, connected to a Linksys WRT54G
> wireless/wired router.
> 
> When I first set this up, back in May this year, I found that there was
> a problem with DNS and DHCP using Ubuntu (Hoary back then, Breezy now).
> 
> I have set the modem to act as a DHCP server, this hands out address
> leases to wired and wireless machines without apparent problems.  It
> also sets the DNS to its own address (192.168.1.1).  If my laptop is
> running Windows 98 this works fine.  Under Ubuntu I don't get a DNS
> service on any of my machines.
> 
> The fix that has worked for me so far is one that others have also used
> with this and other modems, it is to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so
> that the line "prepend domain-name-servers" is uncommented (active) and

I'd call that a work-around rather than a fix.

> I recently found a link which suggests a more elegant method.
>
http://johnwilger.com/articles/2005/12/13/ubuntu-5-10-breezy-badger-update-dns-when-obtaining-dhcp-lease-on-windows-network
> 
> Basically what is suggested is to edit dhclient.conf so that the line
> with "send host-name" is uncommented and set to your hostname.  For me
> the following line works fine.
> 
> send host-name "localhost.localdomain";
> 
> Naturally this also works with the actual literal hostname.

I don't understand how that can have _any_ effect on whether DNS works
(_especially_ if you actually used localhost.localdomain).  This sends a
hostname to the DHCP server, so that the DHCP server will add it to its own
DNS.  In my case, then, my wireless router is "saxon.pointerstop.ca" at
192.168.22.1.  My wife's windows machine is named "morgen" and from my own
machine I can find "morgen.pointerstop.ca".  Before adding "send hostname"
to my dhclient.conf, I couldn't find my own machine - "othello".  Now:

 derek at othello:~$ nslookup othello
  Server:         192.168.22.1
  Address:        192.168.22.1#53
  Name:   othello.pointerstop.ca
  Address: 192.168.22.105

However, it doesn't change your DNS settings at all, it just makes others on
your subnet able to find you by name.

> My problem?  This works on the first machine I tried it on, but not on
> the subsequent two (both also running Breezy).  They still require the
> cruder fix of prepending fixed DNS addresses.  Does anyone have any idea
> what might be going on here?

At a guess, I'd suggest something else is overwriting your resolv.conf after
DHCP.  Unfortunately there are a lot of things that could do it.  What does
"nslookup" show as the server address it's using?  If it does have the
correct address, do you have port #53 firewalled?

If the DNS server address is wrong, do you have resolvconf installed?  I'd
suggest removing that, at least temporarily, as it _will_ overwrite your
resolv.conf, and you don't need it to while you're connected to this
router.  You might try using "watch" to see if you can see what's happening
to resolv.conf.
-- 
derek




From patiodragon at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 15:46:46 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:46:46 -0500
Subject: firefox and video plugin
In-Reply-To: <861x00n54d.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <86k6e04p2s.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512191714q38ffff45r11caa1ea72749e58@mail.gmail.com>
	<86irtjqlv5.fsf@gmail.com> <macewan.20gx5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<86u0d04m2a.fsf@gmail.com>
	<c7e21f4d0512231057k3f004ceam8e2ef5a03ff4c145@mail.gmail.com>
	<df5f317b0512242120j2049d806g94d3f2e6af251193@mail.gmail.com>
	<861x00n54d.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512270746x411e035do679a3fde4c782ac6@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/25/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noah Dain <noahdain at gmail.com> writes:
>
>  | On 12/23/05, Kim Briggs <patiodragon at gmail.com> wrote:
>  | > On 12/22/05, leon <sdl.web at gmail.com> wrote:
>  | > > Your help is very much appreciated.
>  | > >
>  | > > Unfortunately breezy comes with firefox 1.0.7 which has empty file type
>  | > > list and thus change action button is disabled.
>  | > >
>  | > Hi Leon,
>  | >
>  | > I find the same problem and had not discovered it because I added all
>  | > of the extra funtionality through the Synaptec package manager
>  | > (mplayer, etc).  I am able to edit this on my Windows version but not
>  | > in Ubuntu? <*shrug shoulders*>.
>  | >
>  | > --
>  | > http://kimbriggs.com
>  | >
>  |
>  | if all else fails, just remove the binary-plugin you don't want.
>  |
>  | the file is: mplayerplug-in-rm.so
> Uncheck the 'ra' in the 'plug-ins' is a better way to handle this.
>
>  | it's probably under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
>  |
>  | if you are new to the mplayer plugin, expect mozilla/firefox to crash
>  | after using it, sometimes when not even playing a vid.
>
> True. Firefox still crashes a lot. But the mplayer plugin beats
> gstream-plugin which is crap at the moment.
>
> --
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
> .     *                               .
> .    /.\        Merry Christmas       .
> .   /..'\                             .
> .   /'.'\                  -- Leon    .
> .  /.''.'\                            .
> .  /.'.'.\                            .
> . /'.''.'.\                           .
> ^^^[_]^^^                           .
> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
>
 Ref:  The above thread.
Re:  Something that worked for me.

I am replying to this thread because it is relevant to getting some
multimedia to come out of my speakers using Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy
Badger).  I searched all over the options in Firefox and even tried
starting it as a super-user.  Still, it seems impossible to get any
application to play a stream at my favorite jazz station:
http://kcsm.org/fm_listen.html
Firefox did show an Mplayer screen, but it just said "downloading",
like forever.

What finally worked for me was installing konqueror.  It requires some
extra libraries that I didn't have (Synaptic chose them
automatically), but I could detect no drop in performance at all.  I
used the RealAudio link and Konqueror played it with what was the
default application, Totem.

cheers,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From ompaul at eircom.net  Tue Dec 27 15:12:18 2005
From: ompaul at eircom.net (Paul O'Malley)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:12:18 +0000
Subject: usb problems
In-Reply-To: <43B140C3.90607@weblore.com>
References: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com> <43B0F73E.3040306@eircom.net>
	<43B140C3.90607@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <43B159D2.5090003@eircom.net>

Michael Satterwhite wrote:
snip

> Unable to load the requested driver:
> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C84,gimp-print].
> Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required
> permissions to perform that operation.

okay

>
> I'm running in administrator mode, so I'm guessing the driver doesn not
> exist - but I don't see any way to define it.
>
Why/when are you running in administrator mode?
Which particular program is not allowing you to print?

Regards,

Paul






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 27 16:43:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:43:31 -0500
Subject: problems with SD Memory card Reader/Writer
References: <1108070942.16497.6.camel@bellatrix><a992d1e5050210150934874be1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1108089870.17312.13.camel@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <pverstra.20pk9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Same problem here. I have both the Sandisk MobileMate SD+ and the
Sandisk MobileMate MS +. The funny thing is that the problem only
occurs with the SD+ when reading SD cards, not with the MS+ when
reading MemoryStickProDuo cards.



I am using Hoary too.



Anyone any idea on what the problem could be?


-- 
pverstra



From RParr at TemporalArts.COM  Tue Dec 27 17:37:20 2005
From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:37:20 -0800
Subject: mozilla-suite security updt available but missing mozilla-mail?
Message-ID: <43B17BD0.7030100@TemporalArts.com>

A while back (2-3 week?) a security update of the mozilla suite
became available (mozilla-browser, mozilla-psm, libnspr4, libnss3)
upgrading from 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 to 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1

The mozilla-mail piece of the mozilla-suite is, however,
still not been upgraded.

Installing the other mozilla suite upgrades forces the removal
of the mozilla-mail.

Has the mail, in fact, not not been upgraded yet?

If not, if/when might it be upgraded?

Is it available and I have some apt config error?

I am running Ubuntu Breezy 5.10 on AMD64 with all current updates 
(except the mozilla-suite).

Thanks
R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts

P.S.  I *know* firefox is wonderful, yadda, yadda, yadda, BUT I still 
have to support folks who like the mozilla-suite browser/mail 
integration and I have not been able to get firefox / thunderbird to 
integrate nearly as nicely/consistently as mozilla-browser/mozilla-mail.





From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Tue Dec 27 19:40:08 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:40:08 +0000
Subject: Line graphics on linux console
In-Reply-To: <43B0C953.8070803@gmail.com>
References: <E1EquOp-0006sN-2S@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43B0C953.8070803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512271940.09066.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

Hello Asif,
  I know for curses and ncurses, but i work with one commercial software
(oracle forms) and I can set only character sequence 
I do it with |, + and - character and i want character for angles if it possible

Thanks
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 04:55 am, Asif Lodhi wrote:
> Hi Haris,
> 
> Sorry, I forgot to change the subject.
> 
> Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote:
> 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:56:05 +0000
> > From: Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu>
> > Subject: Line graphics on linux console
> >  How I can get line graphics character on linux console (box windows 
> > similar on vt100) - what is line graphcs characters ?
> >  
> >
> There is a Curses (perhaps NCurses also) library in Unix/Linux that you 
> can use to create line graphics characters.
> 
> -- 
> HTH,
> 
> Asif
> 
> 



From henkpm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 19:01:50 2005
From: henkpm at gmail.com (Henk Postma)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:50 -0800
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
In-Reply-To: <1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <51328c280512271101m74a19db4h887a1070d3381920@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the pointers. So I proceeded to actually compile the kernel (its
much leaner, managed to shave off some cruft, including the annoying
messages about hw_random missing).

Now inotify should be enabled, because I compiled it in. But I don't see a
/dev/inotify. The kernel boots great, it's 2.6.15 rc 6

I do have /proc/sys/fs/inotify appearing, but it's a directory. Can I just
simlink this ?

- Henk Postma

On 12/23/05, Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis at kaarsemaker.net> wrote:
>
> On vr, 2005-12-23 at 11:24 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> > don't trust the old config. I don't think it is compiled in. It would be
> > useful to have /proc/config.gz to see what the compiled in config was of
> > the running kernel, but this isn't compiled in, either...
>
> /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> --
> Dennis K.
>   - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
>   - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
>
>
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>
> --
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> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
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From henkpm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 19:25:43 2005
From: henkpm at gmail.com (Henk Postma)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:25:43 -0800
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
In-Reply-To: <1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
References: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <51328c280512271125m3f47028cmce87c3b4f6bb4f8e@mail.gmail.com>

Well it seems that this problem happens more often:

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2005-Nov/2462.html

I just needed to ignore that dmesg doesn't say anything, and just execute

 sudo mknod /dev/inotify c 10 63

And I have /dev/inotify now :) On to the playing part!

- Henk

On 12/23/05, Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis at kaarsemaker.net> wrote:
>
> On vr, 2005-12-23 at 11:24 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> > don't trust the old config. I don't think it is compiled in. It would be
> > useful to have /proc/config.gz to see what the compiled in config was of
> > the running kernel, but this isn't compiled in, either...
>
> /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> --
> Dennis K.
>   - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
>   - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
>
>
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>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 27 20:10:23 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:10:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has 
 UbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><Ptero-4.1zygcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><1134463957.4654.2.camel@localhost.localdomain><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/17/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
>> > Thanks for your help. Might this:
>> >
>> >   http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
>> >
>> > be the text to which you are referring?
>> No it was not that one - it conserned specificly using two or more sound
>> applications at the same time.
>
> I think I have found the message: HOWTO: Hear multiple sounds at once
> http://www.ubuntuforu <http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882>
Exactly!

> ms.org/showthread.php?t=8882<http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882>
>
> I also found this article quite helpful: *Howto: about sound in Hoary &
> Linux**: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567*, even though it
> isn't completely up-to-date.
>
> In any case, I now have multiple apps accessing sound simultaneously,
> except for certain programs that don't play nicely with others, ie, Gizmo,
> Flash.
OK we have to tell Gizmo-project to help them.

Fine work!

Happy new year

Phillip



From rberger at sympatico.ca  Tue Dec 27 20:37:12 2005
From: rberger at sympatico.ca (Rick Berger)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:37:12 -0500
Subject: problems installing Breezy from CD
Message-ID: <1135715832.8154.78.camel@localhost>

hi,

I been trying to install Breezy off and on for the past week or so. I'm
using pppoe with my ISP, but the installation CD doesn't seem to allow
one to use it and there doesn't seem to be defaults for a stand along
system. So I've been using a private IP with no gateway and DNS server
IPs to try to get the system up. Once up I'll connect with pppoeconf. 
Well the system crashes when the base-installer is running
".../usr/lib/base-installer.d/40netcfg<6>eth0: link down". 

Suggestion?


-- 
Rick
rberger at sympatico.ca




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 27 20:49:16 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:49:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Has Ubuntu been under attack at all? Was: Ubuntu is not under 
 attack
In-Reply-To: <43ACB5F9.2090606@eircom.net>
References: <43ACB5F9.2090606@eircom.net>
Message-ID: <29329.213.237.42.134.1135716556.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> Hi there,
>
> Background, there has been a much longer thread than one this running on
> ubuntu users list :-)
>
> I am posting a mail with this topic to the sounder list. All welcome.

Has Ubuntu been under attack at all? And if so - how?

Regards

Phillip



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Tue Dec 27 21:01:06 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:01:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Esperanto keyboard layout
In-Reply-To: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee>
References: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee>
Message-ID: <29678.213.237.42.134.1135717266.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> I am learning the Esperanto language (see http://www.esperanto.net for
> information) and I use Ubuntu to write in it. But because the language
> has 6 letters with diacritics - &#365;&#293;&#285;&#309;ž&#265; - it is
> necessary to use a
> special keyboard layout. Right now I did it myself, adding a few lines
> to some configuration file, but I would like it if the Esperanto layout
> was official in Ubuntu.
The idea is perfect - especially because esperanto has got a renasance
after being the middleman in most digital transcriptions e.g. from english
to chinese.

Beside it leads to the ever question - where to ask the official Ubuntu
developers to add, help, get help etc. from and to other developers ?

Best regards

Phillip




From mangg at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 21:36:07 2005
From: mangg at yahoo.com (Joseph)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:36:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LugRadio - Ubuntu Holiday wishes =) 
Message-ID: <20051227213607.63587.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone,

  Hope everyone is having a great holiday! =)  I am sure that you all have heard of the Linux Radio http://www.lugradio.org/ the internet radio show which covers everything Linux.  At the end of this months episodes are some comical "holiday wishes" referencing Ubuntu which you all would find humorous. Check it out.

Enjoy,
J

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From cogyfarm at grm.net  Tue Dec 27 21:49:33 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:49:33 -0600
Subject: synaptic manager not working
In-Reply-To: <20051227083552.3dc6fda8@localhost.localdomain>
References: <48bd74c50512251240q37e97001p97d9fbe538b0bc5c@mail.gmail.com>	<desperate_cry.20pa3a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051227083552.3dc6fda8@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B1B6ED.5030408@grm.net>

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:01:11 -0500
>'Forum Post
><ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have the same problem, nobody has a solution for the topic?
>>
>>    
>>
>I can't see the problem for it has been snipped.  Possibly you should
>run Synaptic from a terminal and see what it puts out if it fails.
>yourmachine:~$ <sudo synaptic>
>password: <your password>
>
>Cybe R. Wizard
>  
>
I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu-desktop and synaptic and in my 
case terminal worked great & xfce4 worked fine, UNTIL I started 
synaptic, then it was an immeadiate and HARD lockup.  I don't know what 
has changed in the last week or two ( I had suspicious reports from 
chkrootkit so I had to wipe and reinstall ) but something is definetly 
not working right!

I realize I'm using an older box but I can't continue to fight to get 
ubuntu working reliably as a server.  As far as my server goes, it is 
now running Engarde 3.0.2 reliably like always.  Engarde has NEVER given 
me the problems Ubuntu-server does.  I hope someone takes note.

Troy




From pascal.potvin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 22:01:16 2005
From: pascal.potvin at gmail.com (Pascal Potvin)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:01:16 -0500
Subject: Esperanto keyboard layout
In-Reply-To: <29678.213.237.42.134.1135717266.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee>
	<29678.213.237.42.134.1135717266.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <ce7c15d90512271401g302d9730l@mail.gmail.com>

I think you have to write to Daniel Stone, which is the maintainer of
most of the X packages.

2005/12/27, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk>:
> > I am learning the Esperanto language (see http://www.esperanto.net for
> > information) and I use Ubuntu to write in it. But because the language
> > has 6 letters with diacritics - &#365;&#293;&#285;&#309;ž&#265; - it is
> > necessary to use a
> > special keyboard layout. Right now I did it myself, adding a few lines
> > to some configuration file, but I would like it if the Esperanto layout
> > was official in Ubuntu.
> The idea is perfect - especially because esperanto has got a renasance
> after being the middleman in most digital transcriptions e.g. from english
> to chinese.
>
> Beside it leads to the ever question - where to ask the official Ubuntu
> developers to add, help, get help etc. from and to other developers ?
>
> Best regards
>
> Phillip
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>

From webdev90 at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 27 22:19:44 2005
From: webdev90 at googlemail.com (Web Developer)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:19:44 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu Server & Some Packages
Message-ID: <6b77cc2b0512271419s5a193ea1mf13738b15ad519e1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have installed Kubuntu 5.1 but in server mode and I need some help.

1. How can I install "compat-libstdc++" on my server? I have already
installed libstdc++5, libstdc++6 and libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2. I have
suggestion as "rpm --query compat-libstdc++" but I do not want to install
with this method. Any suggestion?

2. I need graphing support for a J2EE server. I do not installed X Windows
libraries and I think I need some libraries. I need exuvalence of 
"xorg-x11-deprecated-libs"
on my server. But how?

3. How can I install "libmime-base64-perl" on my server. I could not find
this package in my package archive.

My sources.list entries are as following:

deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted

deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted

deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe

deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted
universe multiverse
deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted
universe multiverse

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe



Thanks in advance!

Cenk Eder
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From tomhines at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 23:03:46 2005
From: tomhines at gmail.com (Tom Hines)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:46 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
Message-ID: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
have enough memory.

The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?

Thanks.
Tom Hines



From david at kenpro.com.au  Tue Dec 27 23:11:55 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:11:55 +1100
Subject: Has Ubuntu been under attack at all? Was: Ubuntu is not under
	attack
In-Reply-To: <29329.213.237.42.134.1135716556.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <43ACB5F9.2090606@eircom.net>
	<29329.213.237.42.134.1135716556.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <20051227231155.GB24413@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 09:49:16PM +0100, Phillip Sc. Boegh wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Background, there has been a much longer thread than one this running on
> > ubuntu users list :-)
> >
> > I am posting a mail with this topic to the sounder list. All welcome.
> 
> Has Ubuntu been under attack at all? And if so - how?


No (in a word).

Quite a few people take exception to certain changes that have been made 
in Breezy. I think it was more by way of a vigorous exchange of views.

I certainly hope that someone at Canonical was taking note of the exchange 
though. The only disappointment was that not one comment was made by 
any of the developers.




From ultron33 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 23:16:51 2005
From: ultron33 at gmail.com (Jeff Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:16:51 +1300
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B1CB63.2020102@gmail.com>

Yes! Works Ok on my 128MB , 350mhz.

>Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
>has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
>horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
>just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
>have enough memory.
>
>The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
>Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
>see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?
>
>Thanks.
>Tom Hines
>
>  
>




From nigelenki at comcast.net  Tue Dec 27 23:33:06 2005
From: nigelenki at comcast.net (John Richard Moser)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:33:06 -0500
Subject: Practical boot sequence modifications
Message-ID: <43B1CF32.9050604@comcast.net>

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How about some practical booting hacks?  LiveCDs are smarter than live
installs (i.e. if you pull a Radeon out and drop in a GeForce 2, X will
start complaining that 'radeon' is the wrong driver on an installed
system and refuse to start); and USB booting is a nice alternative to
LiveCDing.

I particularly have two boot hacks I'd like to see.

 - Configure X properly

   If you install Ubuntu with a Radeon, X will have the 'radeon' driver
used; this is because it detects that i.e. Radeon 9200 is supported by
the 'radeon' driver with full 3D acceleration.  If you then pull the
Radeon and switch to a GeForce 2, X will no longer start because Ubuntu
does not recognize at boot that 'nv' or 'nvidia' needs to be used.

   There are 2 solutions here.  First, you could have X reconfigured
each boot on hardware change, as with LiveCDs.  The other solution is to
submit a patch to the Xorg project to fall back to Vesa on such
failures-- a solution that may be more robust, as the user can be
queried for reconfigurations in a graphical environment.  In either
case, manual tweaks to xorg.conf will likely be lost.

 - Boot from disk images

  Booting from USB media is not impossible; however, it is difficult to
boot off a disk image.  A few modifications to an initrd and some kernel
hackery would make booting from a disk image possible.

  The simplest way would be to place the kernel with the disk image,
allowing a boot loader to pass "root_image=/linux/root_image" or such to
the kernel (i.e. /linux/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12).  The linuxrc script would
read /proc/cmdline and search each mountable device and partition for
the file.  Then that file would be mapped with the device mapper and
used as the root hard disk; the system would boot appropriately and bind
mount /media/host_disk/linux/boot to /boot.

  A more advanced method would be to find a way to pass such information
to the boot loader in a chainload sequence, and simply boot the disk
image.  While this would be more self-contained and leave the initrd and
kernel inside the disk image, it would ultimately behave the same.

  This would be useful for placing a disk image on an iPod and having a
full Linux system in it.  As the iPod should not be haphazardly
reformatted or repartitioned, this approach becomes the most sane;
throwing syslinux or grub at partition 2 should be safe, as it will boot
from that if USB'd up to an x86.  The same concepts would work for FAT
formated USB flash and hard drives, to lesser necessity.


- --
All content of all messages exchanged herein are left in the
Public Domain, unless otherwise explicitly stated.

    Creative brains are a valuable, limited resource. They shouldn't be
    wasted on re-inventing the wheel when there are so many fascinating
    new problems waiting out there.
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From mrmazda at ij.net  Tue Dec 27 23:35:13 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:35:13 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>

Tom Hines wrote:
 
> Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
> has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
> horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
> just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
> have enough memory.
 
> The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
> Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
> see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?

Any live CD will run better in limited RAM if you can supply it with a
native HD swap partition to use. Try a Knoppix CD. If it works, you
should be able to run [K]Ubuntu. You can use the Knoppix CD to shrink
the doze partition to make some Linux swap space.

What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
ultimately succeed.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Tue Dec 27 23:30:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:30:58 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <lrmall01.20q2sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have the previous release (hoary) installed on an old laptop with 96
mb of ram, 333 Mhz AMD K6-2.



Kinda slow, but it works.  I ran the live CD before installing - so I
don't think that the 128 mb of ram is your problem.



What do you mean by failed?  I've had LiveCDs not configure the xserver
correctly, which would result in a black screen sometimes.


-- 
lrmall01



From clintin at linuxmail.org  Tue Dec 27 23:42:59 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:42:59 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
Message-ID: <20051227234259.AA98543EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

The Live-CD is going to try to run everything in supporting the desktop and there is very likely some hardware issues with your sister's system, been there, seen that.  A Celeron 500 and 128 mb of ram is sufficient and will run Ubuntu quite well given compatible hardware.  There are other Live-CD distro's that might be more compatible with your sister's hardware.  Another approache and it would require installation, but you could install a base "server" type install to the hard drive and then using apt-get to add a desktop and applications but I suspect this is more than you want to bite into.  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Fuller" <ultron33 at gmail.com>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:16:51 +1300

> 
> Yes! Works Ok on my 128MB , 350mhz.
> 
> > Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
> > has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
> > horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
> > just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
> > have enough memory.
> >
> > The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
> > Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
> > see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Tom Hines
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From tamer23 at myrealbox.com  Wed Dec 28 00:07:02 2005
From: tamer23 at myrealbox.com (Tamer Higazi)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:07:02 +0200
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
Message-ID: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>

Hi!
I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine

My interfaces File /etc/network/interfaces:
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

# This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
# They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
mapping hotplug
script grep
map eth0

# The primary network interface


auto eth0

iface eth0 inet static
address 81.10.53.22
netmask 255.255.255.252
gateway 10.0.0.138
dns-search lan
dns-nameservers 163.121.128.134 212.103.160.18

My File /etc/hosts:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

If I enter the command route:

Kernel IP Routentabelle
Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
81.10.53.20 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0

If I run explicitly this command to add the gateway to my eth0 interface:


sudo route add default gateway 10.0.0.138 eth0

I receive this errormessage:
SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar (Network unreachable)


For any help solving my problem, thanks in advance

Tamer



From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 28 00:28:29 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:28:29 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: Has
	UbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com>
	<30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

OK we have to tell Gizmo-project to help them.


By the look of this thread:

http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=777

They are aware of the problem. Apparently, Gizmo doesn't (yet?) use ALSA.
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From michael at weblore.com  Wed Dec 28 01:11:18 2005
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:11:18 -0600
Subject: usb problems
In-Reply-To: <43B159D2.5090003@eircom.net>
References: <43B00DF6.3060909@weblore.com>
	<43B0F73E.3040306@eircom.net>	<43B140C3.90607@weblore.com>
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Paul O'Malley wrote:
| Michael Satterwhite wrote:
| snip
|
|> Unable to load the requested driver:
|> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C84,gimp-print].
|> Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required
|> permissions to perform that operation.
|
|
| okay
|
|>
|> I'm running in administrator mode, so I'm guessing the driver doesn not
|> exist - but I don't see any way to define it.
|>
| Why/when are you running in administrator mode?

Because the system configuration tool says I need to? While I may have
missed something in Ubuntu, I didn't think it was possible to configure
printers in normal user mode.

| Which particular program is not allowing you to print?

All of them. I can't even print a test page.

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From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 01:22:42 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:22:42 +0000
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <20051228012241.GB24379@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 02:07:02AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> Hi!
> I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
> Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine

Does your ISP not have a DHCP server to save messing about with manual
settings?

If they do then go to System -> Administration -> Networking
and set eth0 to DHCP.
 
[snip]
> auto eth0
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 81.10.53.22
> netmask 255.255.255.252

The netmask above only allows for four addresses one of which is the
network address (81.10.53.20), another for broadcast (81.10.53.23), your
IP (81.10.53.22), which means the gateway must be 81.10.53.21.

> gateway 10.0.0.138

That IP is not routeable on the Internet (it's private address space)
and won't work with your netmask.

Perhaps you should check the addresses you've been given or, as I said
at the top, use the Networking applet and set it to DHCP.

[snip]
> If I enter the command route:
> 
> Kernel IP Routentabelle
> Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> 81.10.53.20 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0
> 
> If I run explicitly this command to add the gateway to my eth0 interface:
> 
> 
> sudo route add default gateway 10.0.0.138 eth0
> 
> I receive this errormessage:
> SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar (Network unreachable)

That's because of your netmask and the private IP address of the
gateway.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 01:55:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:55:05 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <utterlyjaded.20q99z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The Jetaudio iaudioX5 player is the best player out there that supports
ogg, currently that is


-- 
utterlyjaded



From henkpm at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 02:28:14 2005
From: henkpm at gmail.com (Henk Postma)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:28:14 -0800
Subject: where is /dev/inotify
In-Reply-To: <51328c280512271125m3f47028cmce87c3b4f6bb4f8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51328c280512221138r36ba1218ub07f7d78b4c32e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<waster.20i4om@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1135357196.9555.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<51328c280512271125m3f47028cmce87c3b4f6bb4f8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51328c280512271828k16937d42wecfc0b47b1ed1872@mail.gmail.com>

For the archives: monitoring now works, I am using pyinotify, a nice wrapper
in python

http://pyinotify.sourceforge.net/

- Henk


On 12/27/05, Henk Postma <henkpm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well it seems that this problem happens more often:
>
> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2005-Nov/2462.html
>
> I just needed to ignore that dmesg doesn't say anything, and just execute
>
>  sudo mknod /dev/inotify c 10 63
>
> And I have /dev/inotify now :) On to the playing part!
>
> - Henk
>
> On 12/23/05, Dennis Kaarsemaker < dennis at kaarsemaker.net> wrote:
> >
> > On vr, 2005-12-23 at 11:24 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> > > don't trust the old config. I don't think it is compiled in. It would
> > be
> > > useful to have /proc/config.gz to see what the compiled in config was
> > of
> > > the running kernel, but this isn't compiled in, either...
> >
> > /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> > --
> > Dennis K.
> >   - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
> >   - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
> >
> >
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> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> http://post.ma.cx




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From gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 28 02:28:44 2005
From: gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:28:44 +0000
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
Message-ID: <200512280228.44230.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Monday 26 December 2005 00:08, you wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?

I couldn't find them in breezy's repositories, but you can download the 
file from the Debian website....and, yes, it does work with breezy :-)

-- 

Graham




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Wed Dec 28 02:35:00 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:35:00 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B1F9D4.6080801@davidgonz.com>

Tom Hines wrote:
> Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
> has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
> horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
> just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
> have enough memory.
>
> The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
> Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
> see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?
>
> Thanks.
> Tom Hines
>
>   
Well since we are talking about a old machine, my best guess is that the 
cdrom is slow too, so that means it will require a better cdrom, or at 
least you can install ubuntu..



From tamer23 at myrealbox.com  Wed Dec 28 02:36:28 2005
From: tamer23 at myrealbox.com (Tamer Higazi)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:36:28 +0200
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <20051228012241.GB24379@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
	<20051228012241.GB24379@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <43B1FA2C.8070808@myrealbox.com>

Hi David, you are right!
with the command
route -n

he shows me successfully the route to the desired gateway you told me. 
But what about the nameservers? And what is IPforwarding? Do I have to 
enable that flag in the options file?

David Hart schrieb:

>On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 02:07:02AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi!
>>I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
>>Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine
>>    
>>
>
>Does your ISP not have a DHCP server to save messing about with manual
>settings?
>
>If they do then go to System -> Administration -> Networking
>and set eth0 to DHCP.
> 
>[snip]
>  
>
>>auto eth0
>>
>>iface eth0 inet static
>>address 81.10.53.22
>>netmask 255.255.255.252
>>    
>>
>
>The netmask above only allows for four addresses one of which is the
>network address (81.10.53.20), another for broadcast (81.10.53.23), your
>IP (81.10.53.22), which means the gateway must be 81.10.53.21.
>
>  
>
>>gateway 10.0.0.138
>>    
>>
>
>That IP is not routeable on the Internet (it's private address space)
>and won't work with your netmask.
>
>Perhaps you should check the addresses you've been given or, as I said
>at the top, use the Networking applet and set it to DHCP.
>
>[snip]
>  
>
>>If I enter the command route:
>>
>>Kernel IP Routentabelle
>>Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
>>81.10.53.20 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0
>>
>>If I run explicitly this command to add the gateway to my eth0 interface:
>>
>>
>>sudo route add default gateway 10.0.0.138 eth0
>>
>>I receive this errormessage:
>>SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar (Network unreachable)
>>    
>>
>
>That's because of your netmask and the private IP address of the
>gateway.
>
>  
>




From mangg at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 02:41:55 2005
From: mangg at yahoo.com (Joseph)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:41:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
Message-ID: <20051228024155.15299.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone,
   
    
   There is also the Rio Karma which supports Ogg. 
  http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=261&cat=72 
   
  Thanks,
  J
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From cogyfarm at grm.net  Wed Dec 28 02:42:02 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:02 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>
Message-ID: <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>

Felix Miata wrote:

>Tom Hines wrote:
> 
>  
>
>>Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
>>has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
>>horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
>>just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
>>have enough memory.
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
>>Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
>>see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?
>>    
>>
>
>Any live CD will run better in limited RAM if you can supply it with a
>native HD swap partition to use. Try a Knoppix CD. If it works, you
>should be able to run [K]Ubuntu. You can use the Knoppix CD to shrink
>the doze partition to make some Linux swap space.
>
>What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
>modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
>ultimately succeed.
>  
>
I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a 
modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Wed Dec 28 02:45:15 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:45:15 -0600
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <43B1FC3B.9090106@grm.net>

Tamer Higazi wrote:

> Hi!
> I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
> Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine
>
> My interfaces File /etc/network/interfaces:
> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
>
> # The loopback network interface
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
> address 127.0.0.1
> netmask 255.0.0.0
>
> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
> mapping hotplug
> script grep
> map eth0
>
> # The primary network interface
>
>
> auto eth0
>
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 81.10.53.22
> netmask 255.255.255.252
> gateway 10.0.0.138
> dns-search lan
> dns-nameservers 163.121.128.134 212.103.160.18
>
> My File /etc/hosts:
>
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
>
> If I enter the command route:
>
> Kernel IP Routentabelle
> Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> 81.10.53.20 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0
>
> If I run explicitly this command to add the gateway to my eth0 interface:
>
>
> sudo route add default gateway 10.0.0.138 eth0
>
> I receive this errormessage:
> SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar (Network unreachable)
>
>
> For any help solving my problem, thanks in advance
>
> Tamer
>
10.x.x.x. is a class A PRIVATE IP.  It can't be used for external access 
unless its being pointed to a nat solution.  Your systems trying to tell 
you it doesn't know where to find the 10.x class A because its 
undefined. Und Das ist nicht gut!
Troy




From ubuntu at davidgonz.com  Wed Dec 28 02:52:15 2005
From: ubuntu at davidgonz.com (David Gonzalez Rivera)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:52:15 -0400
Subject: bash: not found..
Message-ID: <43B1FDDF.9020407@davidgonz.com>

Well this is a little problem I have.. I was playing with WINE.. and 
well I decided to install Wine 0.9.4 from the sources, it didn't went 
well so i decided to make uninstall and sudo apt-get the one from 
synaptic and now it give me this

david at akulinux:~$ wine
bash: /usr/local/bin/wine: No such file or directory
david at akulinux:~$

how can i change the path of it? to /usr/bin



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 03:04:58 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:04:58 +0000
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <43B1FA2C.8070808@myrealbox.com>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
	<20051228012241.GB24379@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<43B1FA2C.8070808@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <20051228030458.GA4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 04:36:28AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> Hi David, you are right!
> with the command
> route -n
> 
> he shows me successfully the route to the desired gateway you told me. 
> But what about the nameservers? And what is IPforwarding? Do I have to 
> enable that flag in the options file?

You can add the nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf (do 'man resolv.conf'
from a terminal if you need to find out how).

You only need ip_forward set to yes if your Ubuntu box is going to be a
gateway for the rest of your network.  If not it's better left at the
default of no.
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 03:05:54 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:05:54 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1F9D4.6080801@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <towsonu2003.20qcza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


David Gonzalez Rivera Wrote: 
> Tom Hines wrote:[color=blue]

> > Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend. 
> She

> > has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  

I have a Intel Celeron 300A Mhz (to me, that means very old and slow)
with 64MB RAM (+ 250MB swap) and 4GB hdd... Gnome is very slow but
works, Xubunu is almost perfect (certainly faster than Windows)
although program launch is slow. $sysIt's a pity that its modem does
not work...



Xubuntu => sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop and then choose XFCE instead of
gnome.


-- 
towsonu2003



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 03:15:06 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:15:06 -0500
Subject: Screen Lock rejects password
References: <1e9da8bb0512141731s66838a8dw95d1ad61c4da6757@mail.gmail.com><d923543b0512150928l6868faa5y190dd4301a38e524@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e9da8bb0512161452r51789ceagc2c798d09ab75f73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <igorilla.20qcza@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I had the same issue once, which I could verify with 'kcheckpass'.



Just now it happened again, but 'kcheckpass' was of no good indicator.
I just ran 'sudo passwd %user' on one user and the rest of them were
fixed too!!!


-- 
igorilla



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 28 03:19:28 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:19:28 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>  <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
Message-ID: <1135739967.23812.385.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 18:42, cogyfarm wrote:
> Felix Miata wrote:
> >What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
> >modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
> >ultimately succeed.
> >
> I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a 
> modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!

Correct.  The amount of space needed depends upon what you want
to do.  Useful Linux server configurations can fit in 600MB,
plus space for whatever data is needed.  We have a gateway
server at one site which does DNS, email, routing, dialup, and
web proxy cache - on a 1.3GB hard drive in an old P75 with 40MB
RAM.  The software on it is all up to date - Fedora in that
case but Ubuntu and Debian are about the same size.

--Mike Bird




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 03:19:53 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:19:53 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net> <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
Message-ID: <20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 08:42:02PM -0600, cogyfarm wrote:
> Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >Tom Hines wrote:
> >
> >Any live CD will run better in limited RAM if you can supply it with a
> >native HD swap partition to use. Try a Knoppix CD. If it works, you
> >should be able to run [K]Ubuntu. You can use the Knoppix CD to shrink
> >the doze partition to make some Linux swap space.
> >
> >What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
> >modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
> >ultimately succeed.
> > 
> >
> I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a 
> modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!

He didn't say 'can't/shouldn't' he said 'bad idea'.  Although you can
fit a modern Linux with X and a lightweight window manager on less than
1GB it _would_ be a bad idea as a system to wean someone off of Windows
(which was what the original poster wanted).

If you want a usable system in that context I would say the previous
poster was spot on - 4GB is a minimum.

Engarde Linux is a server system without a desktop and completely
useless for that purpose.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From noahdain at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 03:36:26 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:36:26 -0500
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:27:07PM -0600, David Strauss wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > > I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> > > posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> > > telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> > > because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> > > me in the right direction?
> >
> > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> >
>
>
> which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
>
> David
>

If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)

The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
concurrently.

However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
"solution" sux.

Alternatives:
1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
in favour of alsa.
3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.

I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
with a sound daemon.

But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
"lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.

:-D

--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 03:37:12 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:37:12 -0500
Subject: problems installing Breezy from CD
In-Reply-To: <1135715832.8154.78.camel@localhost>
References: <1135715832.8154.78.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512271937t57979d7dpe0ea298cd0843b55@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, Rick Berger <rberger at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> hi,
>
> I been trying to install Breezy off and on for the past week or so. I'm
> using pppoe with my ISP, but the installation CD doesn't seem to allow
> one to use it and there doesn't seem to be defaults for a stand along
> system. So I've been using a private IP with no gateway and DNS server
> IPs to try to get the system up. Once up I'll connect with pppoeconf.
> Well the system crashes when the base-installer is running
> ".../usr/lib/base-installer.d/40netcfg<6>eth0: link down".
>
> Suggestion?
>
Hi Rick,

I believe that you can install Ubuntu from an installation CD without
a network connection ("stand alone").  I hope this isn't too basic,
but did you just try a fresh install with nothing at all connected to
eth0?

HTH,
--
http://kimbriggs.com



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 03:24:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:24:53 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
	<utterlyjaded.20q99z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <persona717.20qdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I've been using a Samsung YP-MT6Z for about 6 months now with good
results. It plays mp3, ogg, and several other formats and has a
built-in FM radio.


-- 
persona717



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 03:29:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:29:48 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <20051228024155.15299.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <towsonu2003.20qdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I just saw one in amazon.com's mp3 player clearance with ogg support...
sorry, forgot the name...


-- 
towsonu2003



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 28 04:07:26 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:07:26 +1100
Subject: msttcorefonts
In-Reply-To: <200512280228.44230.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051226000858.GA22629@ubuntu>
	<200512280228.44230.gct3@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051228150726.022b7503.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:28:44 +0000
Graham <gct3 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> On Monday 26 December 2005 00:08, you wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anybody here know where is msttcorefonts on breezy?
> 
> I couldn't find them in breezy's repositories, but you can download the 
> file from the Debian website....and, yes, it does work with breezy :-)

 $ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:    n/a
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)
Release:        5.10
Codename:       breezy


 $ apt-cache policy msttcorefonts
msttcorefonts:
  Installed: 1.2ubuntu2
  Candidate: 1.2ubuntu2
  Version table:
 *** 1.2ubuntu2 0
        500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Looks like you might not have enabled the multiverse repository?

Peter



From patiodragon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 04:17:18 2005
From: patiodragon at gmail.com (Kim Briggs)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:17:18 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
In-Reply-To: <utterlyjaded.20q99z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
	<utterlyjaded.20q99z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <c7e21f4d0512272017u827e8b5qb2c91d9d89929354@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> The Jetaudio iaudioX5 player is the best player out there that supports
> ogg, currently that is
>
>
> --
> utterlyjaded

I have had this player for a couple of weeks and I am really happy
with it.  If someone wants to look up information, note:

Company Name =  Cowon
Model Name = iAudio X5
Their software (windows only) = JetAudio
Price paid = 249 USD

It is "officially" said to work with linux kernel 2.2+ as a USB mass
storage device (20GB).

Bad news for Breezy:  I plugged this device into my Suse linux 9.3
computer and it showed up immediately under "media".  Created a folder
using konqueror on the USB device, copied some Coltrane ogg over and
started listening.  When I plugged it into a (newer) computer running
Ubuntu 5.10, the USB device said "connected" on the screen, but I
could not browse to it.  I did not get challenged for a super-user
password or anything.  It was a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing
with Ubuntu.  I guess I'm supposed to mount it somehow, but I don't
want to have to remember how to do that.  This is probably very
secure, but not very useful for me....

--
http://kimbriggs.com



From mrmazda at ij.net  Wed Dec 28 03:50:09 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:50:09 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net> <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
	<20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <43B20B71.5CDD@ij.net>

David Hart wrote:
 
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 08:42:02PM -0600, cogyfarm wrote:

> > Felix Miata wrote:

> > >Tom Hines wrote:

> > >Any live CD will run better in limited RAM if you can supply it with a
> > >native HD swap partition to use. Try a Knoppix CD. If it works, you
> > >should be able to run [K]Ubuntu. You can use the Knoppix CD to shrink
> > >the doze partition to make some Linux swap space.

> > >What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
> > >modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
> > >ultimately succeed.

> > I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a
> > modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!
 
> He didn't say 'can't/shouldn't' he said 'bad idea'.  Although you can
> fit a modern Linux with X and a lightweight window manager on less than
> 1GB it _would_ be a bad idea as a system to wean someone off of Windows
> (which was what the original poster wanted).
 
> If you want a usable system in that context I would say the previous
> poster was spot on - 4GB is a minimum.

Sorry I sent before making this meaning of "modern Linux" as clear as
Hart. In the context of windoze convert, I actually go farther, always
choosing KDE as the least different from what such people are used to.
It has pretty much everything they're used to except the need for
anti-trojan/virus/adware overhead and that miserable anti-standards
Outhouse and/or Outbreak Excess for automatically screwing up email with
top posting and HTML.

My last install went onto a 4G /, Kubuntu, followed by apt-get install
edubuntu-desktop. The result left about 40% freespace on /. Much less
freespace than that and reduced filesystem efficiency can start making
the system feel more sluggish than necessary, hence my recommended
minimum size. Days earlier I tried essentially the same thing several
times different ways according to the recommended minimum, and never got
a complete install in even 2.25G, much less any expectation of
filesystem efficiency.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 04:42:16 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:42:16 -0500
Subject: ncftpget
Message-ID: <87mzilzvbr.fsf@gmail.com>

Where is ncftpget to be found?




From senectus at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 04:56:47 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:56:47 +0800
Subject: make "VLC" the "plugin player" for firefox?
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512272056o410ab6fct289fccf2b2d775ce@mail.gmail.com>

Is there some way to make VLC the plugin player for firefox rather than totem?

--
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
 I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
Groklaw
www.modmeup.net



From c.peterman at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 05:12:48 2005
From: c.peterman at gmail.com (Chris Peterman)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:12:48 -0500
Subject: make "VLC" the "plugin player" for firefox?
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512272056o410ab6fct289fccf2b2d775ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d12e5c90512272056o410ab6fct289fccf2b2d775ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135746768.1067.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Try the MediaPlayerConnectivity extension

~ Chris Peterman

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 12:56 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> Is there some way to make VLC the plugin player for firefox rather than totem?
> 
> --
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
>  I will write on a huge cement block "By accepting this brick through
> your window, you accept it as it is and agree to my disclaimer of all
> warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all
> liability, direct, indirect, consequential, or incidental, that may
> arise from the installation of this brick into your building." - PJ
> Groklaw
> www.modmeup.net
> 
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Wed Dec 28 05:15:20 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:15:20 -0800
Subject: ncftpget
In-Reply-To: <87mzilzvbr.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87mzilzvbr.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135746920.23812.437.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 20:42, Sean Sieger wrote:
> Where is ncftpget to be found?

Its in package ncftp in universe, or use lftp which is installed
automatically for ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop.

--Mike Bird




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 05:13:31 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:13:31 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <20051228024155.15299.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <matthew.20qija@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Joseph Wrote: 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> 
> There is also the Rio Karma which supports Ogg. 
> http://tinyurl.com/4qz6u 
> 
> Thanks,
> J
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
I have the iAudio M5 and it plays mp3, ogg, flac, and more out of the
box and mounts like a USB storage device so it works with Linux
perfectly.

http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/m5/


-- 
matthew



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 05:34:02 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:34:02 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com><20050620090235.GB2741@localhost.localdomain><1119283387.9785.3.camel@carrera.cs.binghamton.edu><20051211222629.GC11763@TheloniousMonk.laniels.org>
	<c7e21f4d0512111758g47fec4foe3e166e93a45b278@mail.gmail.com>
	<Franko30.202rwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <towsonu2003.20qjgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


sorry to crowd your inboxes but, I had to recognize this message, as I
am (most probably) buying the thing (m5 or x5) bc. of this user :) And
people tell buying toys for linux is hard :PpPp



Franko30 Wrote: 
> Hi,

> 

> as I'm lazy, I just copy a reply I gave in another thread like this, to
> be found here:

> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=572697

> 

> The message:

> I just read the German LinuxUser 12/2005. They have a special on Linux
> compatible Ogg (and MP3) players.

> 

> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM PLAYERS WITH
> THE MICROSFT 'PLAYSFORSURE' LABEL. THIS- ACCORDING TO THE MAGAZINE -
> MOST CERTAINLY MEANS THAT THE DEVICE WILL NOT WORK UNDER LINUX. FOR
> INSTANCE THE IRIVER T10+T20+T30 SEEM TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. PLEASE VISIT
> WWW.PLAYSFORSURE.COM TO FIND THE PLAYERS YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY. :-(
> 

> LinuxUser 12/2005 tested 8 Players:

> 

> Trekstor: i.Beat Organix + i.Beat 300

> Maxfield: Max-Diablo + Max-Movie + Max-Diamond

> COWON: IAUDIO X5 + IAUDIO M5 + IAUDIO G3
> They also wanted to test some Samsung Players - but they arrived too
> late.

> 

> All players work as external harddiscs under Linux. And all of the
> above (except  the Trekstor i.Beat Organix and Cowon G3) support
> firmware updates using Linux. The Cowon X5 and M5 also support FLAC and
> are the fastest concerning data transfer! All Maxfield players and the
> i.Beat 300 don't support id3 tags for Ogg Vorbis files... The Cowon X5
> is now also available with 60GB harddisc.

> 

> *Sound quality:* An important feature, often forgotten...

> LinuxUser says that the best Flash Memory Players sound a lot worse
> than the worst tested Harddisc Player. :-(

> 

> That said, they recommend the Cowon X5 and M5 as having the best sound
> quality (especially when plugging them onto your home audio system
> using decent speakers). The best sounding Flash Memory Players seem to
> be the Max-Movie and the Cowon G3.

> 

> Personally I recommend to throw away any headphone delivered with a
> player and user a Koss Porta Pro or Sporta Pro - those two sound as
> good as any expensive (and much bigger) Sennheiser or AKG equipment...

> 

> My two cents concerning the *Archos AV400 100 GB* I own:

> 

> This one can only be mounted read-only in Ubuntu 5.04 and 5.10, no
> matter what I tried (even putting entries in fstab and other stuff).
> -After re-formatting the whole thing (FAT32) in Ubuntu it gets mounted
> read-write when plugging it in.- Unfortunately, the player now only
> works on a Windows 200 machine - but not in Windows XP. The disc
> manager (correct term? I use a German Win XP) declares the file system
> as 'FAT32 - unknown'... And, the funny thing is, that now I'm stuck
> with this, as Win 2K and XP only format 32 GB of my 100 GB as FAT32 and
> I don't have access to an old Win 98 machine.

> 

> To write replies to this problem, please use this thread:

> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103472

> 

> Cheers

> 

> Franko30


-- 
towsonu2003



From rberger at sympatico.ca  Wed Dec 28 05:54:38 2005
From: rberger at sympatico.ca (Rick Berger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:54:38 -0500
Subject: problems installing Breezy from CD
In-Reply-To: <c7e21f4d0512271937t57979d7dpe0ea298cd0843b55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135715832.8154.78.camel@localhost>
	<c7e21f4d0512271937t57979d7dpe0ea298cd0843b55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135749278.8064.24.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2005-27-12 at 22:37 -0500, Kim Briggs wrote:
> On 12/27/05, Rick Berger <rberger at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > I been trying to install Breezy off and on for the past week or so. I'm
> > using pppoe with my ISP, but the installation CD doesn't seem to allow
> > one to use it and there doesn't seem to be defaults for a stand along
> > system. So I've been using a private IP with no gateway and DNS server
> > IPs to try to get the system up. Once up I'll connect with pppoeconf.
> > Well the system crashes when the base-installer is running
> > ".../usr/lib/base-installer.d/40netcfg<6>eth0: link down".
> >
> > Suggestion?
> >
> Hi Rick,
> 
> I believe that you can install Ubuntu from an installation CD without
> a network connection ("stand alone").  I hope this isn't too basic,
> but did you just try a fresh install with nothing at all connected to
> eth0?
> 

Kim,

I've been doing that on the two or three tries I did today. What did you
use for your network settings, gateway and dns, or did you skip the
network install stage? I'll pick up your reply when get home tomorrow.

Rick 




From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 06:00:33 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:00:33 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <43B20B71.5CDD@ij.net>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net> <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
	<20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org> <43B20B71.5CDD@ij.net>
Message-ID: <20051228060033.GC4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 10:50:09PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> Sorry I sent before making this meaning of "modern Linux" as clear as
> Hart.
[snip]

No need to apologize.  IMO your post was both clear in meaning and
helpful, especially when read in the context of what you quoted from
the original post.

[snip]
> Days earlier I tried essentially the same thing several
> times different ways according to the recommended minimum, and never got
> a complete install in even 2.25G, much less any expectation of
> filesystem efficiency.

You also need a few hundred megs spare for when the time comes to
dist-upgrade.  That's caught me out before when I've made the /var
partition too small ;)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Wed Dec 28 06:20:05 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:20:05 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <1135739967.23812.385.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>
	<43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
	<1135739967.23812.385.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <43B22E95.3000900@grm.net>

Mike Bird wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 18:42, cogyfarm wrote:
>  
>
>>Felix Miata wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
>>>modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
>>>ultimately succeed.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a 
>>modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!
>>    
>>
>
>Correct.  The amount of space needed depends upon what you want
>to do.  Useful Linux server configurations can fit in 600MB,
>plus space for whatever data is needed.  We have a gateway
>server at one site which does DNS, email, routing, dialup, and
>web proxy cache - on a 1.3GB hard drive in an old P75 with 40MB
>RAM.  The software on it is all up to date - Fedora in that
>case but Ubuntu and Debian are about the same size.
>
>--Mike Bird
>
>
>  
>
Engarde is up to about 650mb of installed space fully installed now, but 
I remember a time when the whole shebang fit on a 540mb HD and didn't 
WANT more.  The wonderful thing is its running currently on an old 
p3c2000 with P3-600 256mb pc100 and only utilizing 84mb of it :D

Troy



From cogyfarm at grm.net  Wed Dec 28 06:22:36 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (cogyfarm)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:22:36 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net>
	<43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
	<20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <43B22F2C.6060501@grm.net>

David Hart wrote:

>On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 08:42:02PM -0600, cogyfarm wrote:
>  
>
>>Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Tom Hines wrote:
>>>
>>>Any live CD will run better in limited RAM if you can supply it with a
>>>native HD swap partition to use. Try a Knoppix CD. If it works, you
>>>should be able to run [K]Ubuntu. You can use the Knoppix CD to shrink
>>>the doze partition to make some Linux swap space.
>>>
>>>What's less true is the minimum HD space requirement. Trying to fit any
>>>modern Linux on less than about 4GB is simply a bad idea, even if you
>>>ultimately succeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I would suggest you take a serious look at Engarde before you say a 
>>modern linux can't/shouldn't run in a 4GB space!  Its simply erroneous!
>>    
>>
>
>He didn't say 'can't/shouldn't' he said 'bad idea'.  Although you can
>fit a modern Linux with X and a lightweight window manager on less than
>1GB it _would_ be a bad idea as a system to wean someone off of Windows
>(which was what the original poster wanted).
>
>If you want a usable system in that context I would say the previous
>poster was spot on - 4GB is a minimum.
>
>Engarde Linux is a server system without a desktop and completely
>useless for that purpose.
>
>  
>
I'll give ya that, albeit Engarde does have its "webtool" which is 
completely adequate and 99% of the time means no CLI is needed.
Although I can't help but wonder how robust engarde would be with Xfce4
Troy



From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 06:39:24 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:39:24 +0500
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 335
In-Reply-To: <E1ErLwZ-0004pP-Oi@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1ErLwZ-0004pP-Oi@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B2331C.3000800@gmail.com>

Hi Haris,

Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote:

Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:40:08 +0000 From: Haris Peco 
<snpe at snpe.co.yu> Subject: Re: Line graphics on Linux console

>> ... (oracle forms) and I can set only character sequence 
>> I do it with |, + and - character and i want character for angles if it possible> 
>  
>
Use ASCII codes from decimal 179 to 218.  I used to type them from 
Numeric keypad on DOS consoles using the ALT + Ascii code combination.  
I guess you can use them in your program.  Which version of Oracle Forms 
are you using?  It has been ages since I used character-based Oracle 
Forms (Oracle 6/7 before 1995!).  I recall hand-drawing the boxes using 
Oracle Forms itself.

--
Best regards,

Asif




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Wed Dec 28 07:04:42 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:34:42 +1030
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 335
In-Reply-To: <43B2331C.3000800@gmail.com>
References: <E1ErLwZ-0004pP-Oi@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43B2331C.3000800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B2390A.3090400@internode.on.net>

Asif Lodhi wrote:

> Hi Haris,
>
> Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote:
>
> Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:40:08 +0000 From: Haris Peco 
> <snpe at snpe.co.yu> Subject: Re: Line graphics on Linux console
>
>>> ... (oracle forms) and I can set only character sequence I do it 
>>> with |, + and - character and i want character for angles if it 
>>> possible> 
>>
>>  
>>
> Use ASCII codes from decimal 179 to 218.  I used to type them from 
> Numeric keypad on DOS consoles using the ALT + Ascii code 
> combination.  I guess you can use them in your program.  Which version 
> of Oracle Forms are you using?  It has been ages since I used 
> character-based Oracle Forms (Oracle 6/7 before 1995!).  I recall 
> hand-drawing the boxes using Oracle Forms itself.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Asif
>
>
Hi, is this site any help?

http://www.ascii.cl/

Take Care
Winton



From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Wed Dec 28 07:27:28 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:27:28 +0200
Subject: Practical boot sequence modifications
In-Reply-To: <43B1CF32.9050604@comcast.net>
References: <43B1CF32.9050604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43B23E60.6000906@geograph.co.za>

John Richard Moser wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> How about some practical booting hacks?  
/snip/
> 
>  - Configure X properly
> 
>    If you install Ubuntu with a Radeon, X will have the 'radeon' driver
> used; this is because it detects that i.e. Radeon 9200 is supported by
> the 'radeon' driver with full 3D acceleration.  If you then pull the
> Radeon and switch to a GeForce 2, X will no longer start because Ubuntu
> does not recognize at boot that 'nv' or 'nvidia' needs to be used.
> 
>    There are 2 solutions here.  First, you could have X reconfigured
> each boot on hardware change, as with LiveCDs.  The other solution is to
> submit a patch to the Xorg project to fall back to Vesa on such
> failures-- a solution that may be more robust, as the user can be
> queried for reconfigurations in a graphical environment.  In either
> case, manual tweaks to xorg.conf will likely be lost.
> 

I'm keen for something like this as well, because I fairly often change 
monitors or cards, for temporary periods.
Is it not possible to have an xorg.conf followed by (possibly a series 
of) xorg.conf.nv xorg.conf.mylcdtv etc etc? Then, at boot, if the 
previous boot had different HW sensed, a menu could be thrown up and, if 
no action is taken, the VESA route be followed.

As far as ubuntu (also SuSE 9.3 and surely others) boot is concerned, it 
would be nice  to be able to keep the bootlog going at the same 
resolution as the BIOS messages. I have a very fussy 30" LCDTV that 
shows the BIOS messages but not the boot messages, but then is OK with 
the logon splashscreen and X. I haven't fiddled much, but I am guessing 
the boot process happens at something like 800x600 and the change in 
refresh rate is not picked up by the LCDTV, so it does not sync with it. 
This has me somewhat puzzled but I have to confess that prior to this 
posting I have not fiddled enough to narrow down the problem area.

[My 2c on the boot process for xorg.]

Regards & have a great new year,
Zoltan


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 07:50:27 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:50:27 -0500
Subject: bash: not found..
References: <43B1FDDF.9020407@davidgonz.com>
Message-ID: <ape.20qpxy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


David,



If you type `which wine`, what does the command return?  It looks as
though the source package may have put a shell script somewhere that is
coming up first in your PATH.  



You can verify this by launching `/usr/bin/wine` and see if you still
get the error.


-- 
ape



From david at kenpro.com.au  Wed Dec 28 08:00:13 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:00:13 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228080013.GB26301@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 06:03:46PM -0500, Tom Hines wrote:
> Hello.  I tried to liberate my sister from Windows last weekend.  She
> has an Intel Celeron 500 mhz, 128 mb ram.  To see if she had enough
> horsepower, I tried to boot Ubuntu 5.10 Live CD., but it failed.  It
> just took forever and I finally gave up.  I concluded that she didn't
> have enough memory.
> 
> The 5.10 release notes say that 128 mb is enough.  Is that true?  Does
> Live CD require more than that?  I'm reluctant to install it until I
> see Live CD running on it.  Is anybody running 5.10 with 128 mb ram?


I don't know why live CD failed, but I run Ubuntu on an assortment of 
machines from 350mhz/128mb upwards. I can't imagine your sister's machine 
has too little horsepower. Equally, the only hardware detection problem 
I've had so far was one winmodem.



From david at kenpro.com.au  Wed Dec 28 08:07:06 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:07:06 +1100
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228080705.GC26301@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 10:36:26PM -0500, Noah Dain wrote:
> On 12/27/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:27:07PM -0600, David Strauss wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > > > I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> > > > posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> > > > telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> > > > because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> > > > me in the right direction?
> > >
> > > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> > >
> >
> >
> > which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> > I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
> >
> > David
> >
> 

Unfortunately, I'm not getting any sound at all (other than hiss). The 
output of lspci -v is:

0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
        Subsystem: Creative Labs: Unknown device 100a
        Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
        I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
        Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2

Can you give me a clue where I find the chipset/driver info?

many thanks...

David.



> If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
> that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
> sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
> esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)
> 
> The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
> to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
> concurrently.
> 
> However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
> "solution" sux.
> 
> Alternatives:
> 1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
> 2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
> in favour of alsa.
> 3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.
> 
> I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
> that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
> with a sound daemon.
> 
> But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
> sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
> "lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
> determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
> a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.
> 
> :-D
> 
> --
> Noah Dain
> "Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
> to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
> Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

-- 
David McQuire




From david at kenpro.com.au  Wed Dec 28 08:18:29 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:18:29 +1100
Subject: No sound, was: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228081828.GD26301@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 10:36:26PM -0500, Noah Dain wrote:
> On 12/27/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:27:07PM -0600, David Strauss wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > > > I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> > > > posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> > > > telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> > > > because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> > > > me in the right direction?
> > >
> > > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> > >
> >
> >
> > which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> > I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
> >
> > David
> >

Unfortunately I'm not getting any sound at all! It was the original poster 
that had some sound. In my case, the output of lspci -v is:

0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
        Subsystem: Creative Labs: Unknown device 100a
        Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
        I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
        Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2

I've included the output of lsmod at the end of this email.

Can you give me a clue how I figure out chipset and/or driver info? I 
can't help but think that my problem is in the driver or lack of it, but 
I'm not sure where to start looking :( So far, google hasn't helped me.

thanks

David.


> 
> If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
> that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
> sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
> esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)
> 
> The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
> to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
> concurrently.
> 
> However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
> "solution" sux.
> 
> Alternatives:
> 1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
> 2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
> in favour of alsa.
> 3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.
> 
> I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
> that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
> with a sound daemon.
> 
> But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
> sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
> "lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
> determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
> a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.
> 

lsmod:
Module                  Size  Used by
binfmt_misc            10888  1
rfcomm                 34972  0
l2cap                  22404  5 rfcomm
bluetooth              43012  4 rfcomm,l2cap
cpufreq_userspace       4444  0
cpufreq_stats           5124  0
freq_table              4484  1 cpufreq_stats
cpufreq_powersave       1920  0
cpufreq_ondemand        5916  0
cpufreq_conservative     6820  0
video                  16004  0
tc1100_wmi              6916  0
sony_acpi               5516  0
pcc_acpi               11392  0
hotkey                  9508  0
dev_acpi               11396  0
i2c_acpi_ec             5760  0
button                  6672  0
battery                 9604  0
container               4608  0
ac                      4996  0
ipv6                  217408  19
floppy                 52692  0
pcspkr                  3652  0
rtc                    11832  0
usblp                  11776  0
snd_ca0106             27172  3
snd_ac97_codec         72188  1 snd_ca0106
snd_pcm_oss            46368  0
snd_mixer_oss          16128  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                78344  3 snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              21764  1 snd_pcm
snd                    48644  10 
snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore               9184  2 snd
snd_page_alloc         10120  2 snd_ca0106,snd_pcm
ohci1394               30644  0
ieee1394               90936  1 ohci1394
i2c_viapro              7696  0
via686a                17816  0
i2c_sensor              3456  1 via686a
i2c_core               19728  4 i2c_acpi_ec,i2c_viapro,via686a,i2c_sensor
i2c_core               19728  4 i2c_acpi_ec,i2c_viapro,via686a,i2c_sensor
shpchp                 80612  0
pci_hotplug            24628  1 shpchp
via_agp                 9472  1
agpgart                32328  1 via_agp
dm_mod                 50364  1
tsdev                   7616  0
evdev                   9088  0
parport_pc             31812  1
lp                     11460  0
parport                32072  2 parport_pc,lp
mousedev               10912  2
psmouse                26116  0
md                     40656  0
ext3                  115976  1
jbd                    48536  1 ext3
thermal                13192  0
processor              23100  1 thermal
fan                     4740  0
via_rhine              20356  0
mii                     5248  1 via_rhine
uhci_hcd               28048  0
usbcore               104316  3 usblp,uhci_hcd
ide_cd                 36996  0
cdrom                  33952  1 ide_cd
ide_disk               16128  3
ide_generic             1664  0
via82cxxx              12188  1
ide_core              125268  4 ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,via82cxxx
unix                   24624  761
vesafb                  8088  0
capability              5000  0
commoncap               6784  1 capability
vga16fb                12232  1
vgastate                8320  1 vga16fb
softcursor              2432  2 vesafb,vga16fb
cfbimgblt               2944  2 vesafb,vga16fb
cfbfillrect             3840  2 vesafb,vga16fb
cfbcopyarea             4480  2 vesafb,vga16fb
fbcon                  34176  72
tileblit                2560  1 fbcon
font                    8448  1 fbcon
bitblit                 5248  1 fbcon




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 08:32:38 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:32:38 -0500
Subject: Esperanto keyboard layout
References: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee><29678.213.237.42.134.1135717266.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<ce7c15d90512271401g302d9730l@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <esperantisto.20qrsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Sal, Peep Pullerits!



Mi ankora&#365; ne provis uzi Esperanton en Ubuntu, sed mencii, ke dum
instalo ebals elekti E-on. &#264;u vi provis tion? Mi scivolas.



Nur por informi vin: OOo2 sub Ubuntu senprobleme subtenas E-on: eblas
literumi e-ajn tekstojn. Nur, tre beda&#365;rinde, la fasadtiparo de
OOo2 ne enhavas &#265;apeligita&#309;ojn: kiam mi vokas kuntekstan
menuon pri mal&#285;uste literumita vorto, OOo2 proponas vortojn kun
spacetoj anstata&#365; &#349;&#365;&#293;&#309;&#285;&#265;. T.e., se
mi skribas &#171;kacxo&#187;, OOo2 proponas &#171;ka<spaceto>o&#187;,
sed, tamen, se mi &#285;in elektos, korekte enigas
&#171;ka&#265;o&#187;.



Interalie, por OOo Writer eblas krei &#171;makroon&#187; por tajpi sen
specifa klavaran&#285;o:




Code:
--------------------
    REM Author:Leston Buell [bulbul at ucla.edu]

  Global oComposerDocView

  Global oComposerKeyHandler

  Global oComposerInputString

  

  Sub Compose

  oComposerDocView = ThisComponent.getCurrentController

  oComposerKeyHandler = createUnoListener( "Composer_", _

  "com.sun.star.awt.XKeyHandler" )

  oComposerDocView.addKeyHandler( oComposerKeyHandler )

  oComposerInputString = ""

  End Sub

  

  Sub ExitCompose

  oComposerDocView.removeKeyHandler( oComposerKeyHandler )

  oComposerInputString = ""

  End Sub

  

  Function InsertString( oString, oDocView, oKeyHandler )

  Dim oViewCursor

  Dim oText

  Dim oCursor

  

  oViewCursor = ThisComponent.getCurrentController().getViewCursor()

  oText = ThisComponent.getText()

  oCursor = oText.createTextCursorByRange( oViewCursor.getStart() )

  'For some reason, the text insertion refires the key events (twice!), 

  'so we remove the handler before insertion, then re-add it afterwards.

  oDocView.removeKeyHandler( oKeyHandler )

  oText.insertString( oCursor.getStart(), oString, true )

  oDocView.addKeyHandler( oKeyHandler )  

  End Function

  

  Function Composer_keyPressed( oEvt ) as Boolean

  If len( oComposerInputString ) = 1 Then

  oComposerInputString = oComposerInputString & oEvt.KeyChar

  Dim translation

  translation = GetTranslation( oComposerInputString )

  InsertString( translation, oComposerDocView, oComposerKeyHandler )

  oComposerInputString = ""

  ExitCompose

  Else

  oComposerInputString = oComposerInputString & oEvt.KeyChar

  End If

  Composer_KeyPressed = True

  End Function

  

  Function Composer_keyReleased( oEvt ) as Boolean

  Composer_keyReleased = False

  End Function

  

  Function GetTranslation( oString ) as String

  Select Case oString

  Case "^C", "Ch", "Cx"

  GetTranslation = "&#264;"

  Case "^c", "ch", "cx"

  GetTranslation = "&#265;"

  Case "^G", "Gh", "Gx"

  GetTranslation = "&#284;"

  Case "^g", "gh", "gx"

  GetTranslation = "&#285;"

  Case "^H", "Hh", "Hx"

  GetTranslation = "&#292;"

  Case "^h", "hh", "hx"

  GetTranslation = "&#293;"

  Case "^J", "Jh", "Jx"

  GetTranslation = "&#308;"

  Case "^j", "jh", "jx"

  GetTranslation = "&#309;"

  Case "^S", "Sh", "Sx"

  GetTranslation = "&#348;"      

  Case "^s", "sh", "sx"

  GetTranslation = "&#349;"

  Case "uU", "Uh", "Ux"

  GetTranslation = "&#364;"

  Case "uu", "uh", "ux"

  GetTranslation = "&#365;"

  End Select

  End Function
--------------------




Do, instalu la makroon kaj &#8212; mi konsilas &#8212; difinu iun
tuja&#309;on por &#285;i, ekz., Ctrl+H. Poste eblos tapji tiamaniere:
Ctrl+H, S, x -donos- &#348;. Ktp.


-- 
esperantisto



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 08:33:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:33:52 -0500
Subject: Esperanto keyboard layout
References: <20051223222203.760B62DE5F@mh3-5.hot.ee><29678.213.237.42.134.1135717266.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<ce7c15d90512271401g302d9730l@mail.gmail.com>
	<esperantisto.20qrsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <esperantisto.20qrsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


P.S. Mi trovis tian makroon &#265;i tie:
http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.sxw


-- 
esperantisto



From teleyinex at confluencia.net  Wed Dec 28 10:27:49 2005
From: teleyinex at confluencia.net (Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lombra=F1a_Gonz=E1lez?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:27:49 +0100
Subject: spca5xx broken in ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <1135551243.8231.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43AF1550.40309@kaiser-linux.li>
	<1135551243.8231.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051228102748.GA15309@localhost.localdomain>

To fix that problem you have to download the driver, then do this as
superuser:
cc=gcc-3.4
CC=gcc-3.4
export cc
export CC
and then make, make install. Your driver will be at your kernel modules:
/lib/modules/uname -a/kernel/drivers/usb/media/
There you will see: spca5xx.ko and a folder with the name spca5xx. In
the folder you have the bad driver, replace it whith the new one, and
reboot. If you dont want to reboot your machine: rmmod spca5xx and
modprobe spca5xx.

Cya!

-- 
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···································································
Puedes encontrar mi firma pública en:
http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&amp;search=0x8D6CAE34
···································································
You can find me public key in:
http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&amp;search=0x8D6CAE34
···································································
Por favor, NO utilice formatos de archivo propietarios para el
intercambio de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino HTML, RTF, TXT, CSV 
o cualquier otro que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un 
fabricante concreto para tratar la información contenida en él.
···································································
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From emmerc at cantv.net  Wed Dec 28 10:39:47 2005
From: emmerc at cantv.net (Emmer)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:39:47 +0800
Subject: PCI TV Tuner cards
In-Reply-To: <ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
	<binks.20liwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <200512281839.47582.emmerc@cantv.net>

I am planning to get a pci tv tuner card just to see tv in my samsung 
Syncmaster 793df monitor. I dont want to devote a lot of money with a 
expensive TV turner card or external box so the card I have seen is a "InnoDV 
Smart TV LE TV Tuner / Remote". But I dont want to buy it unless I am sure it 
will work in my ubuntu-kde sistem. 

How can I be sure it will work properly with kdetv or TVtime?

Thanks a lot in advance for all your advice, and happy new year for all of 
you, also in advance!

Emmer.



From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Wed Dec 28 10:47:31 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:47:31 +0100
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.28.10.47.31.235118@xs4all.nl>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:07:02 +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:

> Hi!
> I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
> Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine

Whoa! This is where you are wrong already -- these data are for your 
ADSL router; your Ubuntu Linux machine is on the inside 10.0.0.0/24 LAN.

> My interfaces File /etc/network/interfaces: # This file describes the
> network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them.
> For more information, see interfaces(5).
> 
> # The loopback network interface
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
> address 127.0.0.1
> netmask 255.0.0.0
> 
> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces. # They will be
> activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem. mapping hotplug
> script grep
> map eth0
> 
> # The primary network interface
> 
> 
> auto eth0
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 81.10.53.22
> netmask 255.255.255.252
> gateway 10.0.0.138
> dns-search lan
> dns-nameservers 163.121.128.134 212.103.160.18

This is a mix of LAN and Internet... no wonder it doesn't work.
I recommend you change it to 

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

The router is also the nameserver for the LAN, so make sure that
/etc/resolv.conf reads as follows:

search lan
nameserver 10.0.0.138

With these settings you have a route from your Linux machine to the LAN,
so next login with your browser to the router at http://10.0.0.138. You
must configure the router with the information given:

PPPoA interface: IP/netmask    81.10.53.22/32
                 Primary DNS   163.121.128.134
                 Secondary DNS 212.103.160.18

eth0 interface: 10.0.0.138/24

Routing: 10.0.0.0 to gateway 10.0.0.138 at interface eth0
         default  to gateway 81.10.53.22 at interface PPPoA
         ... plus localhost, etc.

DNS for the lan is 10.0.0.138

Chances are that most of this is already set in a configuration file
on a CD provided by your ISP -- you might even want to configure the
router automatically with this CD in Windows... 

> My File /etc/hosts:
> 
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu # The following lines
> are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0
> ip6-mcastprefix
> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
> 
> If I enter the command route:
> 
> Kernel IP Routentabelle
> Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 81.10.53.20 *
> 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0
> 
> If I run explicitly this command to add the gateway to my eth0
> interface:
> 
> 
> sudo route add default gateway 10.0.0.138 eth0
> 
> I receive this errormessage:
> SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar (Network unreachable)
> 
> 
> For any help solving my problem, thanks in advance
> 
> Tamer

-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 11:25:05 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:05 -0500
Subject: We send the certificate to all countries
Message-ID: <Rinzwind.20r04m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.



I allready have one :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:


-- 
Rinzwind



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 28 12:11:49 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re: 
 HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><27314.213.237.42.134.1134465285.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512151159r49e68971x1968dc5354a49643@mail.gmail.com><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com><28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/27/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
> OK we have to tell Gizmo-project to help them.
>
>
> By the look of this thread:
>
> http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=777
>
> They are aware of the problem. Apparently, Gizmo doesn't (yet?) use ALSA.
You are right - but they also write:
"You will have to wait until Gizmo uses ALSA or buy a soundcard that has a
hardware mixer. If you are not patient I think that most SoundBlasters
have hardware mixing and are not expensive."

I have found a very outdated soundcard - and it works just fine while the
original sound card onboard - the new one did not work at all. I do not
know if I lose som funchtionality using the old compared with the new one?

Regards

Phillip



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 28 12:42:25 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:42:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Setting up printer
In-Reply-To: <43AE7D52.3000107@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AE7D52.3000107@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <10662.213.237.42.134.1135773745.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> In Ubuntu, the CUPS we page doesn't work for some reason.
In all debian distributions you have to add printers to the cupsys group
befor e you can use cups.

> Instead use
> System => Administration => Printing. The right click on "New Printer"
> and seled "Add." Fromt here select the printer you want to use, and
> select the driver you want to use.
It do not work with deviating printers like large Xeros printers - while
CUPS should work.

>> While I'll agree the control center is kubuntu specific, my first
>> attempt was http://localhost:631 - which isn't kubuntu specific. It asks
>> for both a userid and password, but won't accept anything
>
> That's because the http://localhost:631 route has been disabled -- you are
> supposed to use the KDE or GNOME printer setup procedure (which is just a
> front for the CUPS procedure). But you can circumvent this, if you wish,
> by commenting out the two lines "AuthType Basic" and "AuthClass System"
> near the end of the file /etc/cups/cups.confd; now you can use
> http://localhost:631 even without any password...
It does _not_ sound secure - is it a way we may produce our own security
hole?

> I still think you'd be better off doing this through the kcontrol
> interface.
When you use Gnome ?-)

As mentioned you cannot always do so! - while CUPS look like a general
method.

Regards

Phillip




From j.markoll at free.fr  Wed Dec 28 13:04:21 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:04:21 +0100
Subject: [Breezy] New kernel and update Grub makes kernel panic
Message-ID: <43B28D55.9030602@free.fr>

Hello to all,
It's the third time, since the last kernel updates, that Grub goes into 
panic when automatically updating, and I need fixing the menu.lst by hand.

I wanted to point it out (didn't see any thread about that on the list). 
Here is what it looks like:

************

Paramétrage de linux-image-2.6.12-10-k7 (2.6.12-10.25) ...,

Not touching initrd symlinks since we are being reinstalled (2.6.12-10.24),

Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (2.6.12-10.24),

Searching for GRUB installation directory ...

found: /boot/grub .,Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... 
found: /boot/grub/menu.lst .,Searching for splash image... none found, 
skipping...,

Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-k7,

Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin,Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done,

************

and the /boot/grub/menu.lst now:

************
title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-k7,
root (hd0,6)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-k7 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet splash,initrd 

/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-k7
savedefault
boot

title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-k7 (recovery mode)
root (hd0,6),
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-k7 root=/dev/hda8 ro single,initrd 
    /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-k7,boot
title Ubuntu
memtest86+
root

(hd0,6),kernel
/boot/memtest86+.bin
boot

****************
Obviously, '(hd0,6)' does not go along well with 'root=/dev/hda8' and if 
I rebooted with that one menu.lst I would encounter a kernel panic at 
next boot, which is what happened last time I upgraded kernel.
(In my partition table, root is hda7 and not hda8)

For a bug report: to Grub, to Ubuntu ? how to treat the question ?
Thanks and best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 13:16:14 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:16:14 -0500
Subject: usb storage now only read only
References: <1132691096.9271.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><3dde113c0511230804y27cb361eoa6288a532fcebafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5d5dc200511291919k666bc02fud5bdefbd756d17e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tora201.20r4rf@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Yup, exactly the same problem here. Drive works fine in Suse 10, but not
in Ubuntu.   It will let me save stuff to it, but as soon as I take it
out, the files disappear.

Any progress on this or is it a bug? ](*,)


-- 
tora201



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 13:20:53 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:20:53 +0000
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.12.28.10.47.31.235118@xs4all.nl>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
	<pan.2005.12.28.10.47.31.235118@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20051228132053.GA6477@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:47:31AM +0100, Henk Koster wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:07:02 +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
> > Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine
> 
> Whoa! This is where you are wrong already -- these data are for your 
> ADSL router; your Ubuntu Linux machine is on the inside 10.0.0.0/24 LAN.

You might well be right of course but, how do you know he's using an
ADSL router?

I was using an ADSL router/modem until a week ago which works as you
describe (I've since lent it to a friend).  Right at this moment,
while I'm reorganising my flat, I'm using my ADSL _modem_ plugged
into my laptop's built-in eth0 interface which puts my real Internet
address on that interface.  I'm routing the rest of my network to
the Internet through the laptop's wireless interface on eth1.

  david at box:~ $ ifconfig
  eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:F5:1E:07:5C
            inet addr:82.69.92.65  Bcast:82.69.92.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
            inet6 addr: fe80::290:f5ff:fe1e:75c/64 Scope:Link
            UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
            RX packets:724959 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
            TX packets:379935 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
            collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
            RX bytes:481363219 (459.0 MiB)  TX bytes:42659600 (40.6 MiB)
            Interrupt:9 Base address:0x4000
  
  eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:09:5B:C4:00:03
            inet addr:192.168.98.100  Bcast:192.168.98.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
            inet6 addr: fe80::209:5bff:fec4:3/64 Scope:Link
            UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
            RX packets:468407 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
            TX packets:386934 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
            collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
            RX bytes:160497773 (153.0 MiB)  TX bytes:330581468 (315.2 MiB)

  david at box:~ $ route -n
  Kernel IP routing table
  Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
  192.168.98.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
  82.69.92.0      0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
  0.0.0.0         82.69.92.66     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0

[snip]
> > auto eth0
> > 
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > address 81.10.53.22
> > netmask 255.255.255.252
> > gateway 10.0.0.138
> > dns-search lan
> > dns-nameservers 163.121.128.134 212.103.160.18
> 
> This is a mix of LAN and Internet... no wonder it doesn't work.
> I recommend you change it to 
> 
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet dhcp

That's what I suggested and the simplest thing to try first.
 
> The router is also the nameserver for the LAN, so make sure that
> /etc/resolv.conf reads as follows:
> 
> search lan
> nameserver 10.0.0.138

That step will be unnecessary if they are assigned automatically by
DHCP.
 
> With these settings you have a route from your Linux machine to the LAN,
> so next login with your browser to the router at http://10.0.0.138. You
> must configure the router with the information given:
[snip settings]

There's no must about it AFAICS.  The router/modem (if indeed, that is what
it is) could very well pick its own settings up from DHCP.  That is what
I would try first.

And don't you think it's a bit of an odd address for a router?  That's
what makes me think it's not that but a typo.
 
-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 13:35:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:35:42 -0500
Subject: What IS 0EM Software And Why D0 You Care?
References: <000001c60bb4$c6904400$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <MrCheese.20r5on@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Could the moderators PLEASE squish this rubbish & other spam posts. We
don't need dubious (in all senses of the word) Windows software here
thanks.


-- 
MrCheese



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:26:32 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:26:32 -0500
Subject: Bluetooth Pairing
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512280626x1435c1a7y2823bfb6b1766351@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to properly set the pairing code for bluetooth?

I'm able to transfer files to my phone (S-E T610) but only if I set my
phone to visible status. I cannot pair it with Ubuntu.

Thanks for any help.

-Steve.



From tomhines at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:28:33 2005
From: tomhines at gmail.com (Tom Hines)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:28:33 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <lrmall01.20q2sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<lrmall01.20q2sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <5d4e119a0512280628j1b5e7c0fv7be3349b927bf8ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> What do you mean by failed?  I've had LiveCDs not configure the xserver
> correctly, which would result in a black screen sometimes.

It just kept churning along slowly, not making progress.  The CDROM
drive kept making noises, and after about a half hour it managed to
show the desktop background, but no menus.  It was obviously still
trying, but after about 45 minutes I gave up.  It seemed to me to be
symptomatic of insufficient RAM.

I think Felix's suggestion to use a swap partition might work.  I
could probably do that with Puppy Linux.  But, alas, I'm back home in
Maryland now.  Will have to wait 'til next year.



From bassix at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:48:42 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:48:42 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512280628j1b5e7c0fv7be3349b927bf8ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<lrmall01.20q2sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<5d4e119a0512280628j1b5e7c0fv7be3349b927bf8ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512280648y376613act48aefe95c38d8ebf@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Tom Hines <tomhines at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/27/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> > What do you mean by failed?  I've had LiveCDs not configure the xserver
> > correctly, which would result in a black screen sometimes.
>
> It just kept churning along slowly, not making progress.  The CDROM
> drive kept making noises, and after about a half hour it managed to
> show the desktop background, but no menus.  It was obviously still
> trying, but after about 45 minutes I gave up.  It seemed to me to be
> symptomatic of insufficient RAM.

It sounds like a bad CD... sometimes a CD can actually work on one
drive and not on another (from what I've experienced anyway). You
might want to try a different CD.



From j.markoll at free.fr  Wed Dec 28 15:12:39 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:12:39 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512280628j1b5e7c0fv7be3349b927bf8ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>	<lrmall01.20q2sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<5d4e119a0512280628j1b5e7c0fv7be3349b927bf8ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B2AB67.6060602@free.fr>

Tom Hines a écrit :
> On 12/27/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>>What do you mean by failed?  I've had LiveCDs not configure the xserver
>>correctly, which would result in a black screen sometimes.

> It just kept churning along slowly, not making progress.  The CDROM
> drive kept making noises, and after about a half hour it managed to
> show the desktop background, but no menus.  It was obviously still
> trying, but after about 45 minutes I gave up.  It seemed to me to be
> symptomatic of insufficient RAM.
> 
> I think Felix's suggestion to use a swap partition might work.  I
> could probably do that with Puppy Linux.  But, alas, I'm back home in
> Maryland now.  Will have to wait 'til next year.
Hello,
Did you try installing any other distro ? otherwise, just try cleaning 
the lens of your CD drive.
It has to be done with soft cotton and alcohol, very gently with cotton 
ear sticks.
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/depcd.htm

See the picture juste before last.
It can also be done with a CD cleaner, but these need Windows or Wine
to execute lens.exe which is in there, and the result is good but does 
not last so long.
Then if cleaning does not make it as it should, another idea could be 
changing the cables with their connectors :) (Seldom out of service, but 
can be).
Best greetings, J.Markoll.



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From clintin at linuxmail.org  Wed Dec 28 15:31:28 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:31:28 -0700
Subject: usb storage now only read only
Message-ID: <20051228153129.15C7743EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Is it really read only or is it writable?  It appears to be writable since you can save stuff to it.  Did you unmount it before removing it?  The minimum you need to do is a "sync" in order to flush what is in the mount point to the actual storage device (the usb drive).  You should always unmount before removing the device, just as in Windoze...

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Forum Post" <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: usb storage now only read only
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:16:14 -0500

> 
> 
> Yup, exactly the same problem here. Drive works fine in Suse 10, but not
> in Ubuntu.   It will let me save stuff to it, but as soon as I take it
> out, the files disappear.
> 
> Any progress on this or is it a bug? ](*,)
> 
> 
> --
> tora201
> 
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From PNewberry at habitat.org  Wed Dec 28 15:53:13 2005
From: PNewberry at habitat.org (Patrick Newberry)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:53:13 -0500
Subject: Upgrading
Message-ID: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>

I currently have the desk top release 5.4 and am thinking up going to
5.10

I would like to install the server version since, I would like to use
apache, php and mysql for my studies. I also have zope installed which I
notice comes with 5.10 server version. 

But I also like some of the desk top apps as well. I mean I still need
to check my email, surf the web etc. 

So if I install the server version, what desk top apps do I get (open
office etc?)

Or is it much easier to install the desk top version (5.10) and then use
apt-get to install the server items I need, like apache, php, mysql and
such.

Or can you specify both. 

I was thinking that a fresh install would be easier than an upgrade. 

Also one other note: I'm on a very slow dial up for the install so I
need to do as much from the cd as I can.

Pat



From PNewberry at habitat.org  Wed Dec 28 16:03:54 2005
From: PNewberry at habitat.org (Patrick Newberry)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:03:54 -0500
Subject: FW: Upgrading
Message-ID: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A1@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>


I currently have the desk top release 5.4 and am thinking up going to
5.10

I would like to install the server version since, I would like to use
apache, php and mysql for my studies. I also have zope installed which I
notice comes with 5.10 server version. 

But I also like some of the desk top apps as well. I mean I still need
to check my email, surf the web etc. 

So if I install the server version, what desk top apps do I get (open
office etc?)

Or is it much easier to install the desk top version (5.10) and then use
apt-get to install the server items I need, like apache, php, mysql and
such.

Or can you specify both. 

I was thinking that a fresh install would be easier than an upgrade. 

Also one other note: I'm on a very slow dial up for the install so I
need to do as much from the cd as I can.

Pat

-- 
ubuntu-users mailing list
ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



From j.markoll at free.fr  Wed Dec 28 16:13:18 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:13:18 +0100
Subject: Upgrading
In-Reply-To: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>
References: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>
Message-ID: <43B2B99E.5050301@free.fr>

Patrick Newberry a écrit :
> Also one other note: I'm on a very slow dial up for the install so I
> need to do as much from the cd as I can.
> 
> Pat
You got your answer there: install the full version.
Best Regards, J.Markoll.

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From matt.egger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:15:27 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:15:27 -0500
Subject: hal pmount issue?
Message-ID: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able to use
usb removable drives as any user other than the first user created during
breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be able to use gtkpod with
her ipod.  It worked under warty...

The ipod shows up as belonging to user 99 (non-existant, as far as I can
tell) or the first user created during the breezy install (my account).  My
GF has read only access.  After searching the web and the forums, this seems
like it might be an ubuntu issue/bug.  I know I'm not the only one with this
problem, but I haven't been able to find a solution.  One suggestion was to
add an entry to /etc/fstab using the device's UUID, but as far as I can
tell, the ipod doesn't have one.

I'd really like to be able to plug in the ipod, have it automount to
/media/ipod (or some other persistant mount point), appear on the desktop,
and have rw permissions under her account.  I think this is reasonable,
considering I was able to do it before a new install of breezy.  If anyone
has a solution to this problem, sharing it would be greatly appreciated.  Is
this a Known Issue or a bug?

TIA,

Matt
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From matt.egger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:29:50 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:29:50 -0500
Subject: Upgrading
In-Reply-To: <43B2B99E.5050301@free.fr>
References: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>
	<43B2B99E.5050301@free.fr>
Message-ID: <f696c090512280829k63b30defn69ce65a0d8c2f49b@mail.gmail.com>

It should be possible to do a server install, keep apt configured for the
install cd only and just apt-get install what desktop components you need.

Doing a normal desktop install and adding the server packages you need is
probably going to be less trouble though.

-ME

On 12/28/05, J.Markoll <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote:
>
> Patrick Newberry a écrit :
> > Also one other note: I'm on a very slow dial up for the install so I
> > need to do as much from the cd as I can.
> >
> > Pat
> You got your answer there: install the full version.
> Best Regards, J.Markoll.
>
>
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From tomhines at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:29:52 2005
From: tomhines at gmail.com (Tom Hines)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:29:52 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <43B1CB63.2020102@gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CB63.2020102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d4e119a0512280829p3165c107rd859b5d3ebc2e109@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/27/05, Jeff Fuller <ultron33 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes! Works Ok on my 128MB , 350mhz.

That's good to hear.  Would you, or anybody else with 128 MB, try the
Live CD and tell me how it went.  I'd appreciate it.



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 16:34:11 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:34:11 +0000
Subject: Upgrading
In-Reply-To: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>
References: <4C0A49BFEDE28047ACBBDC1B102FB30806B1D2A0@CJCEXC01.HFHI.org>
Message-ID: <20051228163411.GA5740@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 10:53:13AM -0500, Patrick Newberry wrote:
> I currently have the desk top release 5.4 and am thinking up going to
> 5.10
> 
> I would like to install the server version since, I would like to use
> apache, php and mysql for my studies. I also have zope installed which I
> notice comes with 5.10 server version. 
> 
> But I also like some of the desk top apps as well. I mean I still need
> to check my email, surf the web etc. 
> 
> So if I install the server version, what desk top apps do I get (open
> office etc?)

I wouldn't expect the server version to come with anything for the
desktop as desktop stuff is quite bulky (think X).
 
> Or is it much easier to install the desk top version (5.10) and then use
> apt-get to install the server items I need, like apache, php, mysql and
> such.
> 
> Or can you specify both. 

A desktop install actually includes a base server install.
 
> I was thinking that a fresh install would be easier than an upgrade. 

I tend to dist-upgrade my servers as once I've set them up I don't
change them very much, I need the continuity of service and there
are usually many fewer packages involved.

I'm more inclined to do a fresh install with a desktop especially if
I've been fiddling around with them a lot and accumulated a load of
'crud'.  But I've had a lot of success with dist-upgrade on desktops,
too.
 
> Also one other note: I'm on a very slow dial up for the install so I
> need to do as much from the cd as I can.

I would get the desktop version as that will require much less
downloading for the server bits that aren't included.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From matt.egger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:36:59 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:36:59 -0500
Subject: hal pmount issue?
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f696c090512280836r2f17b7d0q977331c138003041@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Matt Egger <matt.egger at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able to use
> usb removable drives as any user other than the first user created during
> breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be able to use gtkpod with
> her ipod.  It worked under warty...
>
>
I meant to say it worked under hoary...didn't have the ipod back in the
warty days.

-ME
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From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:39:58 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:39:58 -0300
Subject: Bluetooth Pairing
In-Reply-To: <adbefcbf0512280626x1435c1a7y2823bfb6b1766351@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adbefcbf0512280626x1435c1a7y2823bfb6b1766351@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135787999.6650.14.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 09:26 -0500, Steve wrote:
> Does anyone know how to properly set the pairing code for bluetooth?
> 
> I'm able to transfer files to my phone (S-E T610) but only if I set my
> phone to visible status. I cannot pair it with Ubuntu.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> -Steve.
> 

I use KDE apps and can transfer from to it, smoothly
-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:57:27 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:57:27 -0800
Subject: menu troubles (heh)
In-Reply-To: <43B20A63.3050404@coco2.arach.net.au>
References: <20051214232637.GS14502@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051216101855.GW2918@osdn.org.ua>
	<20051216102902.GB6170@ubuntu.home>
	<43A4226D.6000005@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<77520bee0512170818j2326e02bh6ad6b3ff8b0c42c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A448C3.2060809@angrykeyboarder.com>
	<20051217224623.GZ2918@osdn.org.ua>
	<43A87D75.4070400@coco2.arach.net.au>
	<20051223203812.GJ18634@osdn.org.ua>
	<43B20A63.3050404@coco2.arach.net.au>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512280857x2f00dc1j49cb81729fa534c4@mail.gmail.com>

> Can't I have tbird on Ubuntu? I thought it was in. Mozilla?

Thunderbird has always been available in Ubuntu:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/mozilla-thunderbird


--
Daniel Robitaille



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 17:04:17 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:04:17 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
In-Reply-To: <5d4e119a0512280829p3165c107rd859b5d3ebc2e109@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CB63.2020102@gmail.com>
	<5d4e119a0512280829p3165c107rd859b5d3ebc2e109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228170417.GB5740@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:29:52AM -0500, Tom Hines wrote:
> On 12/27/05, Jeff Fuller <ultron33 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes! Works Ok on my 128MB , 350mhz.
> 
> That's good to hear.  Would you, or anybody else with 128 MB, try the
> Live CD and tell me how it went.  I'd appreciate it.

Live CD on PII with 128MB and no swap took so long to boot that I
didn't bother waiting for it to complete.  With swap the system was
slow but usable for things like checking compatibility.

I've done quite a few Gnome installs of Breezy on PIIs this past couple of
months and my take on memory is that 96MB is barely usable and would drive
most people nuts but 128MB improves that considerably.  With 192MB to
256MB you can have a good few apps open without the disk trashing
constantly.  I haven't put it on a PII with more than 256MB. 

But all of this is quite subjective - there's no substitute for
trying it out yourself.  Look around for some cheap (second hand even)
hard disks and you've nothing much to lose by trying.

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 17:30:54 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:30:54 -0500
Subject: ncftpget
References: <87mzilzvbr.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1135746920.23812.437.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
Message-ID: <87irt9yvqp.fsf@gmail.com>

Mike Bird <mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net> writes:

   On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 20:42, Sean Sieger wrote:
   > Where is ncftpget to be found?

   Its in package ncftp in universe, or use lftp which is installed
   automatically for ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop.

Thank you, Mike.




From cb at lim.nl  Wed Dec 28 17:35:59 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:35:59 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: Re:
	HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com>
	<26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com>
	<30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com>
	<10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
>
> You are right - but they also write:
> "You will have to wait until Gizmo uses ALSA or buy a soundcard that has a
> hardware mixer..."


Indeed,  but alas that option is not so helpful for laptop users.

I do not
> know if I lose som funchtionality using the old compared with the new one?


I doubt it -- maybe Dolby 5.1 sound or some other gimmick???...
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 17:35:01 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:35:01 -0500
Subject: menu troubles (heh)
References: <20051214232637.GS14502@localhost.localdomain><20051216101855.GW2918@osdn.org.ua><20051216102902.GB6170@ubuntu.home><43A4226D.6000005@angrykeyboarder.com><77520bee0512170818j2326e02bh6ad6b3ff8b0c42c9@mail.gmail.com><43A448C3.2060809@angrykeyboarder.com><20051217224623.GZ2918@osdn.org.ua><43A87D75.4070400@coco2.arach.net.au><20051223203812.GJ18634@osdn.org.ua><43B20A63.3050404@coco2.arach.net.au>
	<e453abbe0512280857x2f00dc1j49cb81729fa534c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Ted.D..20rgsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


TBird is installed on Breezy Applications-Internet Ted D.


-- 
Ted D.



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 17:31:24 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:31:24 -0500
Subject: does a commercial ogg-enabled "mp3-player" exist?
References: <1644176805062000412e1bbd56@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6B62C.7050605@qwest.net>
	<utterlyjaded.20q99z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<persona717.20qdwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <cylon359.20rgsm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have a samsung yepp -- the yp-c1 and it works great!

Some of the recent mpio players support OGG as well.


-- 
cylon359



From RParr at TemporalArts.COM  Wed Dec 28 18:04:24 2005
From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:04:24 -0800
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
Message-ID: <43B2D3A8.5060500@TemporalArts.com>

I installed Dapper AMD64 and have applied all available updates and
the kubuntu desktop (to get the apps) but am still logging into the 
Gnome desktop.

I am not sure what act of "happy fingers" I committed but...

When I select "Application" from the Gnome desktop menu it flashes briefly,
then I get a tiny little box under the menu box, but no application menu.

Trying to select, drag, what-have-you, on the white box does no good.

Any ideas as to how I can restore proper menu function?

Thanks
R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts




From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Wed Dec 28 18:39:42 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:42 +0100
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
	<pan.2005.12.28.10.47.31.235118@xs4all.nl>
	<20051228132053.GA6477@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.28.18.39.36.134553@xs4all.nl>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:20:53 +0000, David Hart wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:47:31AM +0100, Henk Koster wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:07:02 +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi!
>> > I have received from my ISP an IP, DNS, Subnetmask and the DNS 
>> > Serverentries to add to my ubuntu linux machine
>> 
>> Whoa! This is where you are wrong already -- these data are for your 
>> ADSL router; your Ubuntu Linux machine is on the inside 10.0.0.0/24 LAN.
> 
> You might well be right of course but, how do you know he's using an
> ADSL router?

Well, the 10.0.0.138 address for the gateway in the OP's message is a
give-away -- standard LAN address for Speedtouch ADSL router/modem...

> I was using an ADSL router/modem until a week ago which works as you
> describe (I've since lent it to a friend).  Right at this moment,
> while I'm reorganising my flat, I'm using my ADSL _modem_ plugged
> into my laptop's built-in eth0 interface which puts my real Internet
> address on that interface.  I'm routing the rest of my network to
> the Internet through the laptop's wireless interface on eth1.

<snip>
>> > auto eth0
>> > 
>> > iface eth0 inet static
>> > address 81.10.53.22
>> > netmask 255.255.255.252
>> > gateway 10.0.0.138
>> > dns-search lan
>> > dns-nameservers 163.121.128.134 212.103.160.18
>> 
>> This is a mix of LAN and Internet... no wonder it doesn't work.
>> I recommend you change it to 
>> 
>> auto eth0
>> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> 
> That's what I suggested and the simplest thing to try first.
>  
>> The router is also the nameserver for the LAN, so make sure that
>> /etc/resolv.conf reads as follows:
>> 
>> search lan
>> nameserver 10.0.0.138
> 
> That step will be unnecessary if they are assigned automatically by
> DHCP.

Sure... mea culpa

>> With these settings you have a route from your Linux machine to the LAN,
>> so next login with your browser to the router at http://10.0.0.138. You
>> must configure the router with the information given:
> [snip settings]
> 
> There's no must about it AFAICS.  The router/modem (if indeed, that is what
> it is) could very well pick its own settings up from DHCP.  That is what
> I would try first.

I only took the settings off my own Speedtouch ADSL router/modem because
I think they apply to the OP's case. 

> And don't you think it's a bit of an odd address for a router?  That's
> what makes me think it's not that but a typo.

Nothing odd about it IMHO. The router part has at interface eth0 a LAN
address (10.0.0.138); and real IP 81.10.53.22 at interface PPPoA, plus a
couple of nameservers, on the Internet side.

The OP could give my suggestions a try, chances are it'll work; and no
harm done if it doesn't.
 
Peace,

-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 18:41:31 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:41:31 -0500
Subject: cpanplus
Message-ID: <873bkdnjxg.fsf@gmail.com>

Where is CPANPLUS?




From gomadtroll at gci.net  Wed Dec 28 18:55:33 2005
From: gomadtroll at gci.net (Greg Madden)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:55:33 -0900
Subject: hal pmount issue?
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512280955.34003.gomadtroll@gci.net>

On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:15, Matt Egger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able
> to use usb removable drives as any user other than the first user
> created during breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be able
> to use gtkpod with her ipod.  It worked under warty...
>
> The ipod shows up as belonging to user 99 (non-existant, as far as I
> can tell) or the first user created during the breezy install (my
> account).  My GF has read only access.  After searching the web and the
> forums, this seems like it might be an ubuntu issue/bug.  I know I'm
> not the only one with this problem, but I haven't been able to find a
> solution.  One suggestion was to add an entry to /etc/fstab using the
> device's UUID, but as far as I can tell, the ipod doesn't have one.
>
> I'd really like to be able to plug in the ipod, have it automount to
> /media/ipod (or some other persistant mount point), appear on the
> desktop, and have rw permissions under her account.  I think this is
> reasonable, considering I was able to do it before a new install of
> breezy.  If anyone has a solution to this problem, sharing it would be
> greatly appreciated.  Is this a Known Issue or a bug?
>
> TIA,
>
> Matt

My guess, It is probably not user 99 but a group 99 was created. What does 
'/etc/group' say about 99, it may be a matter of adding users to the 
group associated with 99. 
-- 
Greg Madden



From ubuntu at paul.sladen.org  Wed Dec 28 18:55:38 2005
From: ubuntu at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:55:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
In-Reply-To: <43B2D3A8.5060500@TemporalArts.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Randall J. Parr wrote:
> When I select "Application" from the Gnome desktop menu it flashes briefly,

  killall gam_server

Although with no applications menu I guess it's not possible to get a
shell/terminal up to type that into...  There's a bug filed somewhere.

	-Paul
-- 
This country is covered in white fluffy snow.  Helsinki, FI




From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 19:17:49 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:17:49 -0800
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
References: <43B2D3A8.5060500@TemporalArts.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512281117o71260f19j67bfad083ad76d2a@mail.gmail.com>

> > When I select "Application" from the Gnome desktop menu it flashes briefly,
>
>   killall gam_server
>
> Although with no applications menu I guess it's not possible to get a
> shell/terminal up to type that into...  There's a bug filed somewhere.

http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20216

does alt-f2 works?  then someone could type than command via the the
prompt you get with alt-f2  (and you need to select "run in terminal")

--
Daniel Robitaille



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 19:18:45 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (jean gruneberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:18:45 +0200
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <43B2E515.40108@gmail.com>

Paul Sladen wrote:

> 
>   killall gam_server
> 
Drop into a terminal screen (ctrl-alt-f1)
log in with user name and password

sudo apt-get install menu
update-menus

ctrl-alt-f7 back to gnome

The killall didn't work for me on my dapper box....

Jean



From ubuntu at mailbox.co.za  Wed Dec 28 19:22:03 2005
From: ubuntu at mailbox.co.za (it clown)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:22:03 +0200
Subject: updates + patches
Message-ID: <web-14252267@cgp7.sentechsa.net>

Hi All,

>From where do i download all the bug fixes, patches and
security patches for kubuntu?

I would like to download them and install them from my
local hdd.

Thanks
Regards
___________________________________________________________________
For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm

http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service



From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 19:28:57 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:28:57 -0800
Subject: cpanplus
In-Reply-To: <873bkdnjxg.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <873bkdnjxg.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512281128t2349deb8tec3a3bf72942cca6@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Sean Sieger <sean.sieger at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where is CPANPLUS?

http://cpanplus.sourceforge.net/
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/CPANPLUS/

A quick search at  packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org doesn't
come up with anything.  So I guess it is not in the Debian or Ubuntu
repositories.



--
Daniel Robitaille



From j.markoll at free.fr  Wed Dec 28 19:33:54 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:33:54 +0100
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <43B2E8A2.3050106@free.fr>

Paul Sladen a écrit :
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Randall J. Parr wrote:
> 
>>When I select "Application" from the Gnome desktop menu it flashes briefly,
> 
> 
>   killall gam_server
> 
> Although with no applications menu I guess it's not possible to get a
> shell/terminal up to type that into... 
Hic!? what about 'Ctrl+Alt+F1' to go to tty1 ?

  There's a bug filed somewhere.
> 
> 	-Paul
J.Markoll.

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From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 19:35:19 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:35:19 -0800
Subject: updates + patches
In-Reply-To: <web-14252267@cgp7.sentechsa.net>
References: <web-14252267@cgp7.sentechsa.net>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512281135y4db27fcai970ea1a4b0876f8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, it clown <ubuntu at mailbox.co.za> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> >From where do i download all the bug fixes, patches and
> security patches for kubuntu?
>
> I would like to download them and install them from my
> local hdd.

I guess you will have to track them down manually, and download them
one at the time. But it's not really user friendly.

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/

If you are doing multiple computers, one way is to install them
normally using apt-get, synaptic, etc on one computer.  Then go look
into /var/cache/apt/archives   and copy the .deb files  to the other
computers you want to upgrade.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 19:44:51 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (jean gruneberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:44:51 +0200
Subject: Dapper - change from wastebasket to trash
Message-ID: <43B2EB33.5090905@gmail.com>

Huh?

First they change the trash to wastebasket in 6.04

and I see now it is trash again.....

wot, no one can make up their minds?

too much xmas spirits?

Jean



From ubuntu at tonix.org  Wed Dec 28 19:55:23 2005
From: ubuntu at tonix.org (David Hart)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:55:23 +0000
Subject: Problems setting up DNS, gateway und subnetmask!
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.12.28.18.39.36.134553@xs4all.nl>
References: <43B1D726.3090805@myrealbox.com>
	<pan.2005.12.28.10.47.31.235118@xs4all.nl>
	<20051228132053.GA6477@box.jynn.tonix.org>
	<pan.2005.12.28.18.39.36.134553@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20051228195523.GA29201@box.jynn.tonix.org>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:39:42PM +0100, Henk Koster wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:20:53 +0000, David Hart wrote:
> 
> > You might well be right of course but, how do you know he's using an
> > ADSL router?
> 
> Well, the 10.0.0.138 address for the gateway in the OP's message is a
> give-away -- standard LAN address for Speedtouch ADSL router/modem...

Oh, in that case, it looks like you are right.  Well spotted ;-)
 
[snip]
> > And don't you think it's a bit of an odd address for a router?  That's
> > what makes me think it's not that but a typo.
> 
> Nothing odd about it IMHO. The router part has at interface eth0 a LAN
> address (10.0.0.138); and real IP 81.10.53.22 at interface PPPoA, plus a
> couple of nameservers, on the Internet side.

AFAIR, modem/routers that I've come across have defaulted to x.x.x.1
or sometimes x.x.x.254.  Still, I've seen only a small proportion of
those that are actually out there ...
 
> The OP could give my suggestions a try, chances are it'll work; and no
> harm done if it doesn't.

Sure.

> Peace,

And a happy, prosperous new year to yourself and everyone :-)

-- 
David Hart <ubuntu at tonix.org>



From sean.sieger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:26:12 2005
From: sean.sieger at gmail.com (Sean Sieger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:26:12 -0500
Subject: cpanplus
Message-ID: <4135e3e50512281226k3a11fc25mc2b6939992f256b7@mail.gmail.com>

> packages.ubuntu.com

Thank you, Daniel.
--
Sean Sieger



From zamb at saudi.net.sa  Wed Dec 28 20:28:28 2005
From: zamb at saudi.net.sa (ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:28:28 +0300
Subject: hal pmount issue?
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135801708.17981.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 11:15 -0500, Matt Egger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able
> to use usb removable drives as any user other than the first user
> created during breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be
> able to use gtkpod with her ipod.  It worked under warty... 
> 
> The ipod shows up as belonging to user 99 (non-existant, as far as I
> can tell) or the first user created during the breezy install (my
> account).  My GF has read only access.  After searching the web and
> the forums, this seems like it might be an ubuntu issue/bug.  I know
> I'm not the only one with this problem, but I haven't been able to
> find a solution.  One suggestion was to add an entry to /etc/fstab
> using the device's UUID, but as far as I can tell, the ipod doesn't
> have one. 
> 
> I'd really like to be able to plug in the ipod, have it automount
> to /media/ipod (or some other persistant mount point), appear on the
> desktop, and have rw permissions under her account.  I think this is
> reasonable, considering I was able to do it before a new install of
> breezy.  If anyone has a solution to this problem, sharing it would be
> greatly appreciated.  Is this a Known Issue or a bug? 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Matt
You need to be in the ‘plugdev’ group in order to access any hot-plug
device.  From the ‘pmount’ manual:
        *Important note for Debian*:  The permission to execute pmount
        is restricted to members of the system group plugdev.  Please
        add all desktop users who shall be able to use pmount to this
        group by executing:
                adduser user plugdev
        (as root).

So, add any user you want him/her to access hot-plugged devices to the
group ‘plugdev’ using:  ‘sudo adduser NAME plugdev’ (where ‘NAME’ is the
login name for that user).  By default, the first user you create during
the installation is added automatically to that group.

Give it a try and see what happens.
Ziyad.




From matt.egger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:27:11 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:27:11 -0500
Subject: hal pmount issue?
In-Reply-To: <200512280955.34003.gomadtroll@gci.net>
References: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512280955.34003.gomadtroll@gci.net>
Message-ID: <f696c090512281227j647caaacn7fe7e9a97e1d11f4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Greg Madden <gomadtroll at gci.net> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:15, Matt Egger wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able
> > to use usb removable drives as any user other than the first user
> > created during breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be able
> > to use gtkpod with her ipod.  It worked under warty...
> >
> > The ipod shows up as belonging to user 99 (non-existant, as far as I
> > can tell) or the first user created during the breezy install (my
> > account).  My GF has read only access.  After searching the web and the
> > forums, this seems like it might be an ubuntu issue/bug.  I know I'm
> > not the only one with this problem, but I haven't been able to find a
> > solution.  One suggestion was to add an entry to /etc/fstab using the
> > device's UUID, but as far as I can tell, the ipod doesn't have one.
> >
> > I'd really like to be able to plug in the ipod, have it automount to
> > /media/ipod (or some other persistant mount point), appear on the
> > desktop, and have rw permissions under her account.  I think this is
> > reasonable, considering I was able to do it before a new install of
> > breezy.  If anyone has a solution to this problem, sharing it would be
> > greatly appreciated.  Is this a Known Issue or a bug?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Matt
>
> My guess, It is probably not user 99 but a group 99 was created. What does
> '/etc/group' say about 99, it may be a matter of adding users to the
> group associated with 99.
>

There isn't a group 99 in /etc/group.  The only time I saw this group/user
was logging into the second user account and plugging in the ipod.  All
other times, the owner of the ipod is the first user created by the
installer.  The second user only has read permissions.
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From matt.egger at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:50:55 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:50:55 -0500
Subject: hal pmount issue?
In-Reply-To: <1135801708.17981.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <f696c090512280815s7305936cyf1e9efc78b0484d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135801708.17981.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <f696c090512281250l2afcb409x696b67b26ccf3ab2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY <zamb at saudi.net.sa> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 11:15 -0500, Matt Egger wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is a hal or pmount issue, but I've not been able
> > to use usb removable drives as any user other than the first user
> > created during breezy install.  Specifically, I'd like my GF to be
> > able to use gtkpod with her ipod.  It worked under warty...
> >
> > The ipod shows up as belonging to user 99 (non-existant, as far as I
> > can tell) or the first user created during the breezy install (my
> > account).  My GF has read only access.  After searching the web and
> > the forums, this seems like it might be an ubuntu issue/bug.  I know
> > I'm not the only one with this problem, but I haven't been able to
> > find a solution.  One suggestion was to add an entry to /etc/fstab
> > using the device's UUID, but as far as I can tell, the ipod doesn't
> > have one.
> >
> > I'd really like to be able to plug in the ipod, have it automount
> > to /media/ipod (or some other persistant mount point), appear on the
> > desktop, and have rw permissions under her account.  I think this is
> > reasonable, considering I was able to do it before a new install of
> > breezy.  If anyone has a solution to this problem, sharing it would be
> > greatly appreciated.  Is this a Known Issue or a bug?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Matt
> You need to be in the 'plugdev' group in order to access any hot-plug
> device.  From the 'pmount' manual:
>         *Important note for Debian*:  The permission to execute pmount
>         is restricted to members of the system group plugdev.  Please
>         add all desktop users who shall be able to use pmount to this
>         group by executing:
>                 adduser user plugdev
>         (as root).
>
> So, add any user you want him/her to access hot-plugged devices to the
> group 'plugdev' using:  'sudo adduser NAME plugdev' (where 'NAME' is the
> login name for that user).  By default, the first user you create during
> the installation is added automatically to that group.
>
> Give it a try and see what happens.
> Ziyad.
>


Both users are already in plugdev.  Thanks for replying.


-ME
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From ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com  Wed Dec 28 21:32:07 2005
From: ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com (BBBB)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:32:07 -0600
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
References: <E1EosQB-0002Fe-Kr@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43A96320.3080309@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <07c701c60bf6$2cd8bda0$6401a8c0@dvdburner>


> > Just one doubt: why do you mention an RPM? Breezy has all the needed
> > fglrx packages indeb format:
> >
> > $ dpkg -l | grep fgl
> > ii  fglrx-control                        8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Control
> >    panel for the ATI graphics accelerat
> > ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                     6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1
> >    Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
> > ii  xorg-driver-fglrx-dev              6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Video
> > driver for ATI graphics accelerators
> >
> > You load the "fglrx" driver in xorg.conf. Maybe the deb package
> > doesn't exist for x64?
>
> Thank you very much for your comment: that's what happens when you are
> awake since more than 20 hours: when I looked in Ubuntu repositories I
> didn't search for fglrx but for a driver named ati-something... and
> later on I found on ATI site the proprietary driver (named fglrx), but
> only on RPM format.
>
> Loading xorg-driver-fglrx (and doing once more "dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xorg") made the trick!
>
> To make it load I had to unload the following extensions:
> GLcore, glx and int10

Does this mean that you uninstalled GLcore, glx and int10?
If not, what does unload mean?

Do you have your screen running at native resolution? (1280 X 800, right?)

Do you have 3D acceleration with the fglrx driver?

The download I tried from ATI had an Ubuntu option but I couldn't get it to
work.
I am still at a beginner level but would like to have my HP ZV6270US display
working properly.

Are you using the AMD 64bit kernel?

Thanks,
Bradley





From nigelenki at comcast.net  Wed Dec 28 21:33:59 2005
From: nigelenki at comcast.net (John Richard Moser)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:33:59 -0500
Subject: Podcasts?
Message-ID: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net>

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Rhythmbox seems to be choking on 1Up.com's podcast[1], and I can't make
GTKPod eat it either.  This thing is available through iTunes, and goes
onto the iPod fine; but I can't even find a suitable viewer under Linux.

What's the best podcasting software currently, for reading?  Or is there
none?  I recall Hoary had people scrambling to decide between
GnomeBaker, xcdroast, et al for CD burning; should we be watching
Rhythmbox and GNOME for iPod support integration and thinking about what
kinds of podcasting/iPod software should come along standard/main?

[1] http://www.1up.com/flat/Podcasts/podcasts.xml

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From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:38:56 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:38:56 -0800
Subject: Dapper - change from wastebasket to trash
In-Reply-To: <43B2EB33.5090905@gmail.com>
References: <43B2EB33.5090905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512281338h23871379h90c21c17984018f2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, jean gruneberg <kaosboss at gmail.com> wrote:
> Huh?
>
> First they change the trash to wastebasket in 6.04
>
> and I see now it is trash again.....
>
> wot, no one can make up their minds?
>
> too much xmas spirits?

maybe it was changed back to trash due to user complains?

And one of the trash vs wastebasket issue is mentionned in this bug report:

https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20161

--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:47:05 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:47:05 -0800
Subject: Podcasts?
In-Reply-To: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net>
References: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>

> What's the best podcasting software currently, for reading?  Or is there
> none?  I recall Hoary had people scrambling to decide between
> GnomeBaker, xcdroast, et al for CD burning; should we be watching
> Rhythmbox and GNOME for iPod support integration and thinking about what
> kinds of podcasting/iPod software should come along standard/main?
>
> [1] http://www.1up.com/flat/Podcasts/podcasts.xml

I use nowadays Google Reader (http://reader.google.com) for all my rss
feeds, blogs, podcasts, etc.  I played in the last few months with
ipodder, liferea, blam and penguintv
(http://penguintv.sourceforge.net).   But since I listen to podcasts
from various computers at work or at home, having an online way of
subscribing and keeping track of which one I have seen before is best
served by something available remotely via a web browser instead of an
installed application.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 21:56:12 2005
From: brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com (Brant Fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:56:12 -0500
Subject: updates + patches
In-Reply-To: <web-14252267@cgp7.sentechsa.net>
References: <web-14252267@cgp7.sentechsa.net>
Message-ID: <43B309FC.20205@bfcomputerconsulting.com>

it clown wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>>From where do i download all the bug fixes, patches and
>security patches for kubuntu?
>
>I would like to download them and install them from my
>local hdd.
>
>Thanks
>Regards
>

Install:

    debmirror

Then run:

    debmirror -v --host=us.archive.ubuntu.com --method=http
    --root=ubuntu --arch=i386 --dist=breezy-updates,breezy-security
    --section=main,multiverse,restricted,universe --nosource --passive
    --ignore-release-gpg /directory_on_your_computer/

Let me know how it works.  Or if it doesn't. :-)

-- 
Brant Fitzsimmons
brant at bfcomputerconsulting.com
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From hwert at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 28 22:13:43 2005
From: hwert at earthlink.net (Harry Wert)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:13:43 -0500
Subject: Reader for Palm database files
Message-ID: <1135808024.9115.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Does anyone know of a Linux reader for reading the backup database files
which my Palm PDA stores on my hard drive? Thanks in advance.

Harry Wert
Physicist

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 22:26:42 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:26:42 -0500
Subject: Has Ubuntu Replaced Windows on Your Box?
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com><28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com><10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alastair.lewis.20ruom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I am now completely Windows free. The last sticking point was a surgical
logbook which ran on Access. Crossover Office completely resolved that
issue, and is probably the best piece of software I have encountered.

Warty was my first linux install (chosen because I has a coverdisc with
LinuxFormat magazine). I thought it would be worth a run out before
going with Suse. Needless to say, I have stuck with Ubuntu with each of
the successive updates. The improvements with each release have been
remarkable, and the help from this forum invaluable.

A post-Christmas laptop purchase is on the cards and it will be bought
OS free. No windows install will occur. Crossover office will provide
some functional Access and Powerpoint usage (for proofreading
Openoffice presentations, I got embarressed by MacOffice on one
occasion for resons I can't explain).

Lyx and pybliographer are close runners up to crossover office for best
software nomination and complete my computer requirements.

All in all Linux rocks, and Ubuntu goes all the way up to eleven.


-- 
alastair lewis



From paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 28 22:47:57 2005
From: paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk (paul cooke)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:57 +0000
Subject: Podcasts?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net>
	<e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512282247.57408.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>

On Wednesday 28 December 2005 21:47, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > What's the best podcasting software currently, for reading?  Or is there
> > none?  I recall Hoary had people scrambling to decide between
> > GnomeBaker, xcdroast, et al for CD burning; should we be watching
> > Rhythmbox and GNOME for iPod support integration and thinking about what
> > kinds of podcasting/iPod software should come along standard/main?
> >
> > [1] http://www.1up.com/flat/Podcasts/podcasts.xml
>
> I use nowadays Google Reader (http://reader.google.com) for all my rss
> feeds, blogs, podcasts, etc.  I played in the last few months with
> ipodder, liferea, blam and penguintv
> (http://penguintv.sourceforge.net).   But since I listen to podcasts
> from various computers at work or at home, having an online way of
> subscribing and keeping track of which one I have seen before is best
> served by something available remotely via a web browser instead of an
> installed application.
>

I'm just getting to grips with bashpodder and a crontab to do the scheduled 
downloading for me while I sleep... then it's just a matter of stuffing the 
downloaded directory full of fresh files onto an SD card for me to listen to 
on my Tungsten E while on the way to work. I don't do any podcast downloads 
at all while at work, the network bandwidth to the outside world is 
pathetic...

bashpodder is just some 40 lines of bash shellscript... calling up other 
helper applications like wget and some xml parsing stuff. And using a crontab 
to launch it means I don't have to remain logged in for it to work.

methinks I might investigate PenguinTV...



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 23:37:48 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:37:48 -0500
Subject: Podcasts?
References: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net><e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512282247.57408.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<Danielle.20rxgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Danielle.20rxgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


i just thought i'd add in case someone doesn't know. i don't download
anything, apart from video casts. if it's just talk i put the mp3's url
straight into my media player and tell it to "stream" the mp3


-- 
Danielle



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 23:31:16 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:16 -0500
Subject: Podcasts?
References: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net><e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512282247.57408.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Danielle.20rxgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hi cast podder (ipodder, now - juicer) is out now. i'm fairly sure, but
you should check, it's from the same people as 'Juice'
(http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/)



http://www.castpodder.net/



i just subscribe to casts with Opera, it makes a new menu called Feeds,
there's then a menu dropdown with all the shows you have subscribed to.



when you click on the Feed menu a new page loads up with are the recent
shows, you can then download a show. instead of automatically
downloading the show Opera will alert you with a popup, you can then
download manually. when you startup Opera it will scan for new tags and
a popup lets you know which shows have been aired since you last used
it.



but, if you don't want Opera then maybe castpodder is what you are
after.



i just subcribed with Opera and it's playing perfectly in VLC media
player. 



do you listen to LugRadio?



here's a screenshot of Opera after subscribing to your link. there's
also the popup - bottom right telling me i have newly found shows...



http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot6zu.png



here's what happens when i click on one of the shows...



http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot10py.png


-- 
Danielle



From irenezd at patriot.net  Wed Dec 28 23:46:19 2005
From: irenezd at patriot.net (Irene Zimmermann)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:46:19 -0500
Subject: xsane Problems
Message-ID: <1135813579.9555.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Installed a Samsung 4720f multifuction machine; a few automated
installation problems with scanner; had to clean up /etc/sane.d and
dll.d conf files.

Scanner now works but must run xsane as root to recognize the scanner.

What must I reconfigure to run sxane as a non-root user with the
aforementioned scanner recognition.

Irene




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Wed Dec 28 23:51:45 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:51:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was: 
 Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><17732.213.237.42.134.1134688449.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512162047n6b408c47l82687de1327a5094@mail.gmail.com><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com><28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com><10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11427.213.237.42.134.1135813905.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are right - but they also write:
>> "You will have to wait until Gizmo uses ALSA or buy a soundcard that has
>> a hardware mixer..."
>
>
> Indeed,  but alas that option is not so helpful for laptop users.
Right - but I have not seen any on-board soundcards to Laptops that cannot
use the Gizmoproject.org. What is the Laptop-name?

> I do not know if I lose som funchtionality using the old compared with the
> new one?
>
> I doubt it -- maybe Dolby 5.1 sound or some other gimmick???...

Any other clues - what we may loose?

Phillip



From rkettle at nwlonline.net  Wed Dec 28 23:41:41 2005
From: rkettle at nwlonline.net (Richard Kettle)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:41:41 -0000
Subject: xsane Problems
Message-ID: <D17AF6A67090E746AE8CE1C4B9953ABB30B835@nwlonline.nwlonline.net>

if you can pick it up as root but not a user, chmod the device to make it available to users. By default, scanners are usually not restricted, but clearly this is the case.

Regards
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of Irene Zimmermann
Sent: Wed 28/12/2005 23:46
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: xsane Problems
 
Installed a Samsung 4720f multifuction machine; a few automated
installation problems with scanner; had to clean up /etc/sane.d and
dll.d conf files.

Scanner now works but must run xsane as root to recognize the scanner.

What must I reconfigure to run sxane as a non-root user with the
aforementioned scanner recognition.

Irene


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Wed Dec 28 23:47:50 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:47:50 -0500
Subject: Podcasts?
References: <43B304C7.6010403@comcast.net><e453abbe0512281347l3fbe5ef8jd7a3075f00fa95a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200512282247.57408.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<Danielle.20rxgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<Danielle.20rxgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <Danielle.20rydy@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


found this

http://tinyurl.com/be8s6


-- 
Danielle



From noahdain at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 00:03:29 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:03:29 -0500
Subject: Problems using the sound card on My Thinkpad
In-Reply-To: <20051228080705.GC26301@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<df5f317b0512271936u66fe00ffye45972c5ec08cffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051228080705.GC26301@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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On 12/28/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 10:36:26PM -0500, Noah Dain wrote:
> > On 12/27/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:27:07PM -0600, David Strauss wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:21 -0400, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > > > > I have been using Ubuntu Linux for all of 3 and a half hours when I
> > > > > posted this.  I am trying to listen to some CD's but the system is
> > > > > telling me that It can't find my sound card.  This makes no sense to me
> > > > > because at the login screen I get the Startup sound.  Can anyone point
> > > > > me in the right direction?
> > > >
> > > > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > > > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > > > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > > > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> > > I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
>
> Unfortunately, I'm not getting any sound at all (other than hiss). The
> output of lspci -v is:
>
> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
>         Subsystem: Creative Labs: Unknown device 100a
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
>         I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
>         Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
>
> Can you give me a clue where I find the chipset/driver info?
>
> many thanks...
>
> David.
>
>
>
> > If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
> > that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
> > sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
> > esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)
> >
> > The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
> > to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
> > concurrently.
> >
> > However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
> > "solution" sux.
> >
> > Alternatives:
> > 1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
> > 2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
> > in favour of alsa.
> > 3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.
> >
> > I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
> > that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
> > with a sound daemon.
> >
> > But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
> > sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
> > "lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
> > determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
> > a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.
> >
> > :-D
> >
>

whoops, jah urnot teh original postar lolz omgz mai bad lolz
(and now for something completely different...)

there seems to be quite a bit of hate and discontent surrounding the
audigy series under linux.
lets see if the driver is even registering and grabbing an interrupt: 
'cat /proc/interrupts'
if so, see if the card itself if seen by the system at all: 'cat
/proc/asound/cards'

if that all seems to work, I'd rmmod all the snd* modules, "tail -f
/var/log/messages", and then "modprobe snd-ca0106.ko" and check the
messages output for interesting entries.

--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From gcmartin at tsn.cc  Thu Dec 29 00:05:34 2005
From: gcmartin at tsn.cc (Graham Martin)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:05:34 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
Message-ID: <1135814734.12485.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On 12/27/05, Jeff Fuller <ultron33 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes! Works Ok on my 128MB , 350MHz.

> That's good to hear.  Would you, or anybody else with 128 MB, try the
> Live CD and tell me how it went.  I'd appreciate it.

Hi everyone

Yes I have tried the live Cd on a P3 800MHz with 128MB ram
and it works ok.Took 15 minutes to load.

And on a P3, 550MHz 64MB ram 2MB video card works very slow.
Took 20 minutes to load. I have Xubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed
on this machine works great.

Also on an old Compaq Pentium 333MHz 64MB ram 2MB video has problems
with video, screen blacks out.
I have Xubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed and it works ok.

I hope this is of some help.

Wishing everyone all the best for 2006.
Regards Graham.






From mrmazda at ij.net  Thu Dec 29 00:53:54 2005
From: mrmazda at ij.net (Felix Miata)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:53:54 -0500
Subject: Session Type Default
Message-ID: <43B333A2.30A2@ij.net>

I want to set KDM to default particular users to particular session
types (Gnome vs. KDE). How can I do this? Googling keeps turning up how
the dms know which session was used last via ~/.dmrc, but that doesn't
help me at all NAICT.
-- 
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/




From cb at lim.nl  Thu Dec 29 01:43:36 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:43:36 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was:
	Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <11427.213.237.42.134.1135813905.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

Right - but I have not seen any on-board soundcards to Laptops that cannot
> use the Gizmoproject.org. What is the Laptop-name?


I have a chinese klone I bought from Linux Certified last year; it came
installed with Fedora but I have since replaced that with Ubuntu. As I
indicated in an earlier message in this thread, I have been able to launch
Gizmo, but only before using other audio programs, otherwise I get that Failed
to execute child process "audiowrapper" error message when I try to start
it. As such, it makes it difficult to experiment with Gizmo, since I
generally prefer not to reboot unless I really need to. Usually, I leave my
systems running for weeks on end, althought that isn't always the case with
the laptop with which I am travelling at the moment. Skype isn't totally
cool about sharing the sound with other programs, but at least it will
launch.
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From david at kenpro.com.au  Thu Dec 29 01:56:04 2005
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:56:04 +1100
Subject: Problems using sound
In-Reply-To: <df5f317b0512281603hf2ff20eg3dc49f1b67c19622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135661227.20332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051227061425.GB987@mail.kenpro.com.au>
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	<df5f317b0512281603hf2ff20eg3dc49f1b67c19622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229015604.GA22732@mail.kenpro.com.au>

On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:03:29PM -0500, Noah Dain wrote:
> On 12/28/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > > > > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > > > > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > > > > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> > > > I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, I'm not getting any sound at all (other than hiss). The
> > output of lspci -v is:
> >
> > 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
> >         Subsystem: Creative Labs: Unknown device 100a
> >         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> >         I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
> >         Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> >
> > Can you give me a clue where I find the chipset/driver info?
> >
> > many thanks...
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> >
> > > If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
> > > that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
> > > sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
> > > esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)
> > >
> > > The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
> > > to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
> > > concurrently.
> > >
> > > However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
> > > "solution" sux.
> > >
> > > Alternatives:
> > > 1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
> > > 2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
> > > in favour of alsa.
> > > 3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.
> > >
> > > I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
> > > that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
> > > with a sound daemon.
> > >
> > > But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
> > > sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
> > > "lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
> > > determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
> > > a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.
> > >
> > > :-D
> > >
> >
> 
> whoops, jah urnot teh original postar lolz omgz mai bad lolz
> (and now for something completely different...)

wow... where did you learn that cool language ;-)

> 
> there seems to be quite a bit of hate and discontent surrounding the
> audigy series under linux.
> lets see if the driver is even registering and grabbing an interrupt: 
> 'cat /proc/interrupts'

david at test:~ $ cat /proc/interrupts
           CPU0
  0:  174549850          XT-PIC  timer
  1:      56877          XT-PIC  i8042
  2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
  5:     378237          XT-PIC  eth0
  7:          3          XT-PIC  parport0
  8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc
  9:          1          XT-PIC  acpi
 11:     214240          XT-PIC  uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci1394, snd_ca0106
 12:     250541          XT-PIC  i8042
 14:     652791          XT-PIC  ide0
NMI:          0
LOC:          0
ERR:          0
MIS:          0


> if so, see if the card itself if seen by the system at all: 'cat
> /proc/asound/cards'

david at test:~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [CA0106         ]: CA0106 - CA0106
                     AudigyLS [Unknown] at 0xd400 irq 11



> 
> if that all seems to work, I'd rmmod all the snd* modules, "tail -f
> /var/log/messages", and then "modprobe snd-ca0106.ko" and check the
> messages output for interesting entries.

I tried something different here.... does this tell you what I need to 
know?

david at test:~ $ lsmod | grep snd*
snd_ca0106             27172  3
snd_ac97_codec         72188  1 snd_ca0106
snd_pcm_oss            46368  0
snd_mixer_oss          16128  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                78344  3 snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              21764  1 snd_pcm
snd                    48644  10 
snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore               9184  2 snd
snd_page_alloc         10120  2 snd_ca0106,snd_pcm

david at test:~ $ sudo modprobe -vn --first-time snd-ca0106.ko
FATAL: Module snd_ca0106.ko not found.

regards...

David.



From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec 29 01:57:55 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:57:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com 
 was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour Box?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512281743h31c9b6a5ic4f61ddb5b32aaf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><26129.213.237.42.134.1134816500.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512171017u44669066v6a0b85ad69db475d@mail.gmail.com><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com><28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com><10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com><11427.213.237.42.134.1135813905.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
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> On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
> Right - but I have not seen any on-board soundcards to Laptops that cannot
>> use the Gizmoproject.org. What is the Laptop-name?
>
>
> I have a chinese klone I bought from Linux Certified last year;
With which chipsets?
With which soundcard onboard?

Have you noticed Ubuntu's database of supported equipment (read chipsets)?

> it came
> installed with Fedora but I have since replaced that with Ubuntu. As I
> indicated in an earlier message in this thread, I have been able to launch
> Gizmo, but only before using other audio programs, otherwise I get that
> Failed to execute child process "audiowrapper" error message when I try
to > start it.

I get it. But please post your hardware and configuration to give us a
chance.

Regards

Phillip



From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Dec 29 02:13:38 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:38 +0000
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
Message-ID: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with
my Ubuntu 5.10. I wrote a simeple jsp file and loaded but is simply
showed me the code itself.

I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.

But JSP still doesn't work.

Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5? Then, would there
somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?

Thanks,



From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 02:31:12 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:31:12 +0100
Subject: Kernel-sources Linux-headers and so on : which one for what purpose
 ?
Message-ID: <43B34A70.7090507@free.fr>

Hello to all,
Once upon a time was a Ubuntu Breezy on a AMD Athlon processor. On this 
one machine I'm happy to have, a k7 kernel:

*************
joyce at papillon:~$ uname -r
2.6.12-10-k7
joyce at papillon:~$
*************

and I would like to install KQemu with the new 0.8 Qemu version, but 
last trial, a few weeks ago, was unsuccessful, for obscure reasons.

The KQemu doc talks about installing kernel-source, and the available 
sources do not have right the same number as the actual kernel present 
on the machine: then is it impossible to get the KQemu module fonction ?

http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html
1) Install the kernel-source-xxx package
2) cd /usr/src/linux-xxx
3) make distclean

(I installed the most recent version I could find, the other time, but
although I did a very careful compilation, nothing went the right way).
Thanks for help, J.Markoll.

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From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Thu Dec 29 02:57:58 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:57:58 +0100
Subject: Kernel-sources Linux-headers and so on : which one for what
	purpose ?
In-Reply-To: <43B34A70.7090507@free.fr>
References: <43B34A70.7090507@free.fr>
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Am Donnerstag, den 29.12.2005, 03:31 +0100 schrieb J.Markoll:
> Hello to all,
> Once upon a time was a Ubuntu Breezy on a AMD Athlon processor. On this 
> one machine I'm happy to have, a k7 kernel:
> 
> *************
> joyce at papillon:~$ uname -r
> 2.6.12-10-k7
> joyce at papillon:~$
> *************
> 
> and I would like to install KQemu with the new 0.8 Qemu version, but 
> last trial, a few weeks ago, was unsuccessful, for obscure reasons.
> 
> The KQemu doc talks about installing kernel-source, and the available 
> sources do not have right the same number as the actual kernel present 
> on the machine: then is it impossible to get the KQemu module fonction ?
> 
> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html
> 1) Install the kernel-source-xxx package
> 2) cd /usr/src/linux-xxx
> 3) make distclean
> 
> (I installed the most recent version I could find, the other time, but
> although I did a very careful compilation, nothing went the right way).
> Thanks for help, J.Markoll.
> 
is it possible that you just need linux-headers-2.6.12-10-k7?

-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 02:54:11 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:11 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>
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OK, I've given it a shot.  Zope still breaks out of the box.  In the most
annoying fashion possible.

Here's what I did:

   1. I uninstalled and wiped all traces of Zope from my system.
   2. I installed Zope 3 and the Zope 3 sandbox.
   3. When it asked for the admin name, I left it as "admin".
   4. When it asked for a password, I gave it the lovely, creative
   password "admin".
   5. I gave it port 6870 to listen to.
   6. When it all finished (no errors reported) I fired Firefox and
   connected to "http://localhost:6870".
   7. Connection is rejected.
   8. For good measure I repeated on 192.168.0.3 (my local IP address)
   and 127.0.0.1.
   9. Connection is rejected in all cases.

For an OS that's supposed to "just work" and for software that is
"officially supported" (if the icons are to be believed), I'm ...
unimpressed.  This is the Linux I remember -- the Linux that only works if
you're willing to spend thousands of man-hours to hunt down obscure issues
that finally make even trivial accomplishments seem like heroic ones.

Any help available, or does Ubuntu go the way of so many previous Linux
distros and I go back to Windows -- where Zope "just works".

(Sorry for the tone, but I'm finding this whole process incredibly
frustrating.)

On 26/12/05, Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll give that a shot.  Thanks, Derek.
>
> On 25/12/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Michael Richter wrote:
> >
> > > I've been a fan of Zope since I encountered it a long time ago.  I've
> > been
> > > able to install and run it in various versions under Windows with no
> > > trouble
> > > ever.  With Ubuntu, the first Linux distro that has actually begun to
> > > supplant my Windows system, I thought it would be a snap, given that
> > Zope
> > > is, after all, mostly a Unix-oriented environment.  So, I installed
> > > Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  Oops.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that I can't get this to work at all.  I install
> > > Zope 2.7and the sandbox.  The latter asks me for a username and
> > > password as well as
> > > a port to execute on.  I give it one.  I hit that port in my browser
> > and I
> > > get the blurb screen.  I try to hit the management console.  It asks
> > for a
> > > username and password.  I naively give it the one I told it to
> > use.  It
> > > refuses to accept it.
> >
> > Every time I've installed zope (quite a few times by now) it's asked for
> > a
> > username and password, but it really only used the password.  The
> > username
> > is probably 'admin'!
> > --
> > derek
> >
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
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From sahutsonmez at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 03:24:39 2005
From: sahutsonmez at yahoo.com (sahutoglu sonmez)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:24:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: web based Ubuntu and Kubuntu. How does it sound?
Message-ID: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 Hello Ubuntu users,
I am not sure it this is a good idea. But just to see what other people think about it. Here it is. I just check the website http://www.workspot.com/
You can use linux in your browser. I really liked it. It would be nice if I could use Ubuntu and Kubuntu like that. it would be better if it is the latest development release. That is Dapperta this point. That way we can follow the development and get to use it anywhere we want. And it will be easier for people to give it a try. 
On the other hand I don't know what that means financially for canonical.
What do you think?

Happy new year.

  


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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 03:34:25 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:34:25 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512281854n37c4279o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
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	<ee970b290512281854n37c4279o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee970b290512281934s464614a5h@mail.gmail.com>

Well, more information.  I did the man-hours thing and found a "
transcript.log" file that was associated with my sandbox.  Here's what it
had to say:

------
> 2005-12-29T11:26:47 INFO root daemon manager started
> ------
> 2005-12-29T11:26:47 INFO root spawned process pid=11573
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/zope3/instance/sandbox/bin/runzope", line 48, in ?
>     run()
>   File "/var/lib/zope3/instance/sandbox/bin/runzope", line 44, in run
>     main(["-C", CONFIG_FILE] + sys.argv[1:])
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/app/server/main.py", line
> 58, in main
>     setup(load_options(args))
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/app/server/main.py", line
> 169, in setup
>     zope.app.appsetup.config(options.site_definition)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/app/appsetup/appsetup.py",
> line 52, in config
>     context = xmlconfig.file(file, execute=execute)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py",
> line 557, in file
>     context.execute_actions()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py",
> line 622, in execute_actions
>     callable(*args, **kw)
>   File
> "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/app/onlinehelp/onlinehelp.py", line
> 123, in registerHelpTopic
>     raise ConfigurationError(
> zope.configuration.config.ConfigurationExecutionError:
> zope.configuration.exceptions.ConfigurationError: Help Topic definition
> /usr/lib/zope3/lib/python/zope/interface/README.txt does not exist
>   in:
>   File "/usr/lib/zope3/lib/python/zope/app/apidoc/bookmodule/book.zcml",
> line 11.4-16.10
>       <bookchapter
>           id="interface"
>           title="Interfaces"
>           doc_path="README.txt"
>           parent="ifaceschema"
>           />



Now am I reading this right?  ZOPE FAILED TO LOAD BECAUSE IT COULDN'T FIND A
README FILE?!?!?!

Where is this "just work" thing now?  I'd like to find it and add it to my
Ubuntu installation.  Synaptic, however, doesn't seem to have anything like
it in its repositories.
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From mhz.chile at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 03:44:19 2005
From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:44:19 -0300
Subject: web based Ubuntu and Kubuntu. How does it sound?
In-Reply-To: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135827860.7703.10.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 19:24 -0800, sahutoglu sonmez wrote:
>  Hello Ubuntu users,
> I am not sure it this is a good idea. But just to see what other
> people think about it. Here it is. I just check the website
> http://www.workspot.com/
> You can use linux in your browser. I really liked it. It would be nice
> if I could use Ubuntu and Kubuntu like that. it would be better if it
> is the latest development release. That is Dapperta this point. That
> way we can follow the development and get to use it anywhere we want.
> And it will be easier for people to give it a try. 
> On the other hand I don't know what that means financially for
> canonical.
> What do you think?

I think, IMHO, it is not bad idea at all, esp. to show off or when you
need a handy OS.

However, Java runtime is a requirement and it may not be good for host
user.

-- 
Cordialmente,

Mauricio Hernandez Z.
(56+8)7496071
(56+2)3129513

Edubuntu Chile
www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
irc.freenode.net | #edubuntu #edubuntu-es

ID #287183
http://counter.li.org

[I dream of things that never were and say 'Why Not?']

/!\ Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales para evitar
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 04:10:28 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:10:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
Message-ID: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?  My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  Any help would be appreciated!
 


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From noahdain at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 04:31:09 2005
From: noahdain at gmail.com (Noah Dain)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:09 -0500
Subject: Problems using sound
In-Reply-To: <20051229015604.GA22732@mail.kenpro.com.au>
References: <1135653691.7641.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <df5f317b0512282031g40df72cbt22066b1bb5787431@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:03:29PM -0500, Noah Dain wrote:
> > On 12/28/05, David <david at kenpro.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are different sound systems in Linux, namely OSS, ALSA, ARTS, and
> > > > > > ESD. GNOME in Ubuntu uses ESD by default. Try running your program with
> > > > > > ESD (easiest option) or configuring ALSA (better option). There are
> > > > > > guides to configuring ESD and ALSA together on the forums.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > which guide do you suggest? I'm having serious trouble with sound and everything
> > > > > I've tried so far has ended in hisssssss :(
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I'm not getting any sound at all (other than hiss). The
> > > output of lspci -v is:
> > >
> > > 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
> > >         Subsystem: Creative Labs: Unknown device 100a
> > >         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> > >         I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
> > >         Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> > >
> > > Can you give me a clue where I find the chipset/driver info?
> > >
> > > many thanks...
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you get the login sound, then you most likely have a sound device
> > > > that does not do hardware mixing, thus only one process can use the
> > > > sound device at any given instance.  This is where sound daemons like
> > > > esd, artsd, jack, and that newer one come in (polyp?)
> > > >
> > > > The sound daemon grabs the sound device and then other processes bind
> > > > to the sound daemon, allowing multiple processes to output sound
> > > > concurrently.
> > > >
> > > > However, not all programs support the various sound daemons, so this
> > > > "solution" sux.
> > > >
> > > > Alternatives:
> > > > 1) use oss.  Not recommended but oss does mixing in software if need be.
> > > > 2) use alsa oss emulation.  Better than choice 1, as oss is deprecated
> > > > in favour of alsa.
> > > > 3) use alsa mixing libs via a .asoundrc file.
> > > >
> > > > I prefer choice 3, with alsa oss emulation available for older apps
> > > > that don't do alsa yet.  This covers all bases without having to deal
> > > > with a sound daemon.
> > > >
> > > > But what .asoundrc file to use?  We first need to know what chip your
> > > > sound device is using.  As sound is working, post the output from
> > > > "lsmod".  You can also post the output from "lspci -v".  Once that is
> > > > determined, we can play the "rumage around alsa's site trying to find
> > > > a .asoundrc file that may very well work for you" game.
> > > >
> > > > :-D
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > whoops, jah urnot teh original postar lolz omgz mai bad lolz
> > (and now for something completely different...)
>
> wow... where did you learn that cool language ;-)
>
> >
> > there seems to be quite a bit of hate and discontent surrounding the
> > audigy series under linux.
> > lets see if the driver is even registering and grabbing an interrupt:
> > 'cat /proc/interrupts'
>
> david at test:~ $ cat /proc/interrupts
>            CPU0
>   0:  174549850          XT-PIC  timer
>   1:      56877          XT-PIC  i8042
>   2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
>   5:     378237          XT-PIC  eth0
>   7:          3          XT-PIC  parport0
>   8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc
>   9:          1          XT-PIC  acpi
>  11:     214240          XT-PIC  uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci1394, snd_ca0106
>  12:     250541          XT-PIC  i8042
>  14:     652791          XT-PIC  ide0
> NMI:          0
> LOC:          0
> ERR:          0
> MIS:          0
>
>
> > if so, see if the card itself if seen by the system at all: 'cat
> > /proc/asound/cards'
>
> david at test:~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards
> 0 [CA0106         ]: CA0106 - CA0106
>                      AudigyLS [Unknown] at 0xd400 irq 11
>
>
>
> >
> > if that all seems to work, I'd rmmod all the snd* modules, "tail -f
> > /var/log/messages", and then "modprobe snd-ca0106.ko" and check the
> > messages output for interesting entries.
>
> I tried something different here.... does this tell you what I need to
> know?
>
> david at test:~ $ lsmod | grep snd*
> snd_ca0106             27172  3
> snd_ac97_codec         72188  1 snd_ca0106
> snd_pcm_oss            46368  0
> snd_mixer_oss          16128  2 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm                78344  3 snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_timer              21764  1 snd_pcm
> snd                    48644  10
> snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
> soundcore               9184  2 snd
> snd_page_alloc         10120  2 snd_ca0106,snd_pcm
>
> david at test:~ $ sudo modprobe -vn --first-time snd-ca0106.ko
> FATAL: Module snd_ca0106.ko not found.
>
> regards...
>
> David.
>

you need to leave off the .ko extension, otherwise every module will
give that error back.

just try: "modprobe -r snd-ca0106" - if this fails you'll have to try
removing the snd_modules in reverse order by dependency, whatever that
order may be(?)
then:  "modprobe snd-ca0106"
then: "dmesg|tail -n 30"

there should be an entry in dmesg for the inserting of the module, and
then i'm guessing some errors or additional info regarding it as well.


--
Noah Dain
"Single failures can occur for a variety of reasons that have nothing
to do with a hardware defect, such as cosmic radiation ..." - IBM
Thinkpad R40 maintenance manual, page 25



From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 05:43:33 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:13:33 +0530
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everybody,

I am on Breezy. I don't like to have a bottom panel showing the window list
applet. My top-panel does not have space for the window list applet. I rather
like to use the window selector applet for selecting windows. I also happen
to dislike reaching for the mouse to see the drop down list from the window
selector applet. Can you tell me how to set a keyboard shortcut for viewing
this list. In general, I would like to know how to set a keyboard shortcut for
any gnome panel applet.

Regards,
Santanu



From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 06:10:42 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:40:42 +0530
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everybody,

In acrobat reader, when I copy a figure from a PDF file,
it says that the image is copied to the clipboard. But
how do I access that clipboard content. Is the gnome
clipboard hidden or something (unlike the kde clipboard).
Ctrl+v does not work.

Regards,
Santanu



From cb at lim.nl  Thu Dec 29 06:19:09 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:19:09 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYour
	Box?
In-Reply-To: <13259.213.237.42.134.1135821475.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
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Message-ID: <aec9371b0512282219g2b604194kaaa14e2deb965216@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

With which chipsets?

With which soundcard onboard?


According to Device Manager:  82801 DB/DBL/DMM AC'97

> Have you noticed Ubuntu's database of supported equipment (read chipsets)?

Thanks for pointing this out; just submitted my HW.
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From stsykin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 07:24:06 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:24:06 -0800
Subject: Kernel Sources
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512282324r653c69e2sa6526accb8473362@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

If asked to install the kernel-source package, that means that the
kernel-headers package should be installed as well, in Ubuntu as well as in
many other distributions.

Sasha
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From pgort at iprimus.com.au  Thu Dec 29 07:24:40 2005
From: pgort at iprimus.com.au (Peter Gort)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:24:40 +1100
Subject: Mac On Linux
Message-ID: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>

Hi All,

I'm a very occasional user of Ubuntu...I'd like to use it more.

I've just installed Breezy on a 2004 model Apple Titanium Powerbook,
1.5Ghz model.  I've been very pleasantly surprised at how many things
not only "just work", but work well.  I haven't touched Ubuntu in about
a year, and it's really come on...so much so that I'd like to see if I
can stay in it more in my professional time, which means I HAVE to be
able to run Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.

Anyway, I thought I'd have another go at getting Mac-On-linux working. I
tried to get it working once before about a year ago, and failed.
Seeing that the instructions at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacOnLinuxHowto
seem to have been updated for Breezy, I thought it might be a successful
venture, but alas, I've got the same problem I had a year ago.  This
time I thought I'd ask for help.  I'm not an experienced Linux user, so
I'm probably missing something blindingly obvious, so be gentle with me.

I followed the instructions very carefully, including copying and
pasting the exact instructions given into the terminal, to avoid my
dyslexic typing.  I got up to the section on running as a normal user,
edited
         /etc/mol/molrc.osx
and allocated 256MB to MOL.  I've got 1G Ram in the Powerbook so I
thought this a reasonable amount.
When I started it with
         startmol --osx
the first time, I got an error about missing modules.  I rebooted the
system to make sure all variables are in the default state and tried
again, and this time I got a window with the Penguin hugging the Apple
to it's nose.  "Hooray" I thought, but it never went any further, and
the terminal window I invoked it in has hundreds of lines of
         RVEC-DEBUGGER <1882>
in it.

I tried
         startmol --loadonly
and that apparently succeeds.

I tried
         startmol --test
and got a bunch of stuff that starts out

         Running in PowerPC 7400 mode, 48 MB RAM
         Timebase: 18.43 MHz, Bus: 73.72 MHz, Clock: 749 MHz
         Failed to lookup IRQ
         Using USB mouse on /dev/input/mice
         Could not open '/var/lib/mol/x11.kbd'
         Failed to register sound card
          *******************************************
          *             Testing performance         *
          *******************************************

         -- SUPERVISOR SPRs -------------------------


and ends with

         *******************************************
          *          Self-test successful           *
          *******************************************


I'm guessing there's some setting in the config file I haven't got
right, but I really don't know what I'm doing.  Does anybody know how /
got experience with getting Mac-On-Linux working?


--
Peter Gort <pgort at iprimus.com.au>




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 07:21:45 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:21:45 -0500
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I think it's difficult to bind any key to any arbitrary application
because the keyboard shortcuts properties in the System--> Preferences
menu allows only default commands to be bound to keyboard. You can try
Applications--> System tools--> Configuration editor and play with its
settings. And please post here when you've found it because I'm looking
for a similar solution myself. :)


-- 
anil_robo



From Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in  Thu Dec 29 07:55:10 2005
From: Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in (Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:25:10 +0530
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <OF5947A1BA.D8EE4124-ON652570E6.002B7785-652570E6.002B8061@tatatel.co.in>

Dear Friends
I am a novice user of linux who just wanted to learn linux through use.
I have upgraded my computer to Breezy (5.10) from 5.04 and started gettting
following  problem.
   System freezes without any reason
   I could not run Synaptic, Users-admin, disks-admin, Networks-admin etc
   program from Root terminal.
   My PC is PIV 2.6 Ghz, 512 mb ram but system si slow.

please help me


Regards
Mayank Kumar Garg
TATA Teleservices Limited
UP EAST Lucknow
Executive Finance
9235509714




From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 08:16:49 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:16:49 +0100
Subject: Kernel Sources
In-Reply-To: <1de8539a0512282324r653c69e2sa6526accb8473362@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1de8539a0512282324r653c69e2sa6526accb8473362@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B39B71.7010006@free.fr>

Sasha Tsykin a écrit :
> Hey,
> If asked to install the kernel-source package, that means that the
> kernel-headers package should be installed as well, in Ubuntu as well as in
> many other distributions.
> Sasha
Hello,
Allright, and what for the available numbers that don't match ? do I 
have to go on the linux.org site to download the right source and 
headers or some other mirror somewhere ?
If someone knows the right answer, I'd like to succeed the compilations 
this time :)
Thanks, Joyce Markoll.


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From xiyanlon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:17:11 2005
From: xiyanlon at gmail.com (Xiyan Lon)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:17:11 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu and Pentium 630
Message-ID: <43B39B87.4030002@gmail.com>

Dear all,
I have new pc with Pentium 630. I want to know, what kind of iso I must 
download to install in using this processor? I want to make dual boot 
with WinXP. Are there anyone have experience with this processor?

Xiyan Lon







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 08:09:12 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:09:12 -0500
Subject: Databases
References: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ape.20slja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


James,



Your question is a little unclear.  Are you having problems getting
the Oracle database installed or are you having a problem with oobase2
running the setup wizard to connect to your Oracle database?


-- 
ape



From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 08:25:58 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:25:58 +0100
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512281934s464614a5h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>	<ee970b290512281854n37c4279o@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee970b290512281934s464614a5h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B39D96.5020108@free.fr>

Michael Richter a écrit :
> Now am I reading this right?  ZOPE FAILED TO LOAD BECAUSE IT COULDN'T FIND A
> README FILE?!?!?!
It looks like it did. I would try a '$sudo touch README.txt' at the 
indicated URI.

> Where is this "just work" thing now?  I'd like to find it and add it to my
> Ubuntu installation.  Synaptic, however, doesn't seem to have anything like
> it in its repositories.
You can add all the repositories you need in Synaptic. Please visit the 
menus,
It's very intuitive.

For Zope, it's in Universe:

*************************************

~$ apt-cache show zope
Package: zope
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Installed-Size: 13848
Maintainer: Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <luca at debian.org>
Architecture: i386
Version: 2.6.4-1.6ubuntu1
Replaces: zope-httpd, zope-siteaccess, zope-pagetemplates, zope-ztutils
Provides: zope-siteaccess, zope-pagetemplates, zope-ztutils
Depends: python2.2 (>= 2.2.3), debconf (>= 1.2.9), python2.2-xml, 
adduser, zopectl (>= 0.3.4.2), dpkg (>= 1.10), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
Pre-Depends: zope-common
Suggests: python-unit, zope-book, zope-devguide
Conflicts: zope-httpd, zope-siteaccess, zope-zieve (<= 0.0.3-1), 
zope-cmfcore (<= 1.1-5), zope-znavigator (<= 2.00-1), zope-ztutils, 
zope-zcvsmixin (<= 0.1.4-1), zope-worldpilot (<= 1.0.4-1), 
zope-pagetemplates, zope-ldap (<= 1.1.0-1), zope-zwiki (<< 0.8), 
zope-guf (<= 1.1.0-1), zope-parsedxml (<= 1.0-8), zope-pythonmethod (<= 
0.1.7-2), zope-pygresqlda (<= 0.3rjr2-1), zope-mysqlda (<= 2.0.7-1), 
zope-emarket (<= 0.2.0a4-1), zope-zpatterns (<= 0.4.3b1-1), zope-popyda 
(<= 2.0.7), zope-renderable (<= 0.2-1), zope-eventfolder (<= 1.31-2), 
python-tal (<= 1.3.2-4), zope-tinytable (<= 0b2-4), zope-bytecodehacks 
(<= 0.1.7-2), squishdot (<= 1.0.0-1), zope-zshell (<= 1.2-1), 
zope-psycopgda (<= 0.99.6-2), zope-loginmanager (<= 0.8.8b1-1)
Filename: pool/universe/z/zope/zope_2.6.4-1.6ubuntu1_i386.deb
Size: 2616246
MD5sum: ce21c0c01edf40c02fb15d4eda98ed3d
Description: Open Source Web Application Server
  Zope enables teams to collaborate in the creation and management of
  dynamic web-based business applications such as intra-nets and
  portals. Zope makes it easy to build features such as site search,
  news, personalisation, and e-commerce into your web applications.
Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Origin: Ubuntu

~$

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Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From coldrick at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:27:20 2005
From: coldrick at gmail.com (David Coldrick)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:27:20 +1100
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
In-Reply-To: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>

Works fine for me. There's a screwy - and very annoying - thing in Linux
whereby the contents of the clipboard are not kept if you exit the
application you copied them from, so Acrobat has to still be running when
you do the paste. Is that your problem?

Regards,
David


On 12/29/05, Santanu Chatterjee <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> In acrobat reader, when I copy a figure from a PDF file,
> it says that the image is copied to the clipboard. But
> how do I access that clipboard content. Is the gnome
> clipboard hidden or something (unlike the kde clipboard).
> Ctrl+v does not work.
>
> Regards,
> Santanu
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 08:37:30 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:37:30 +0100
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B3A04A.6090006@free.fr>

James Diehl a écrit :
>  Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?  
I don't work with databases, but I know Oracle is not free, MySQL, 
belongs to the LAMP family, (all for web server) PostgrSQL is said
to be very good, and SQLight, to be good, and light  :)
Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec 29 08:37:27 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:27 +1100
Subject: Mac On Linux
In-Reply-To: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:24:40 +1100
Peter Gort <pgort at iprimus.com.au> wrote:


> 
> Anyway, I thought I'd have another go at getting Mac-On-linux working. I
> tried to get it working once before about a year ago, and failed.
> Seeing that the instructions at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacOnLinuxHowto
> seem to have been updated for Breezy, I thought it might be a successful
> venture, but alas, I've got the same problem I had a year ago.  This
> time I thought I'd ask for help.  I'm not an experienced Linux user, so
> I'm probably missing something blindingly obvious, so be gentle with me.
> 
> I followed the instructions very carefully, including copying and
> pasting the exact instructions given into the terminal, to avoid my
> dyslexic typing.  I got up to the section on running as a normal user,
> edited
>          /etc/mol/molrc.osx
> and allocated 256MB to MOL.  I've got 1G Ram in the Powerbook so I
> thought this a reasonable amount.
> When I started it with
>          startmol --osx
> the first time, I got an error about missing modules.  I rebooted the
> system to make sure all variables are in the default state and tried
> again, and this time I got a window with the Penguin hugging the Apple
> to it's nose.  "Hooray" I thought, but it never went any further, and
> the terminal window I invoked it in has hundreds of lines of
>          RVEC-DEBUGGER <1882>
> in it.
> 
> I tried
>          startmol --loadonly
> and that apparently succeeds.
> 
> I tried
>          startmol --test
> and got a bunch of stuff that starts out
> 
>          Running in PowerPC 7400 mode, 48 MB RAM
>          Timebase: 18.43 MHz, Bus: 73.72 MHz, Clock: 749 MHz
>          Failed to lookup IRQ
>          Using USB mouse on /dev/input/mice
>          Could not open '/var/lib/mol/x11.kbd'
>          Failed to register sound card
>           *******************************************
>           *             Testing performance         *
>           *******************************************
> 
>          -- SUPERVISOR SPRs -------------------------
> 
> 
> and ends with
> 
>          *******************************************
>           *          Self-test successful           *
>           *******************************************
> 
> 
> I'm guessing there's some setting in the config file I haven't got
> right, but I really don't know what I'm doing.  Does anybody know how /
> got experience with getting Mac-On-Linux working?
> 
> 
> --
> Peter Gort <pgort at iprimus.com.au>

Hi Peter,

I had mol working on warty, including networking and sound - with breezy I
haven't been able to get sound working, and it freezes totally when I try
to use any sound
apps like vlc or
itunes etc

I found the URL below, in conjunction with the howto you used, useful. I
have a feeling there might have been a problem with using gcc-4 when the
kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4, but attempting to use gcc-3.4 didn't
solve my problem.

 http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html

I would also like to hear from anyone who got mol working fully with an
iBook G4 1.2Ghz , and breezy.

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 08:26:04 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:04 -0500
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
References: <20050513164213.21388.qmail@gawab.com>
	<20050513165822.449d191e@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Cybe R. Wizard Wrote: 
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:42:13 GMT

> "scorpix" <scorpix at gawab.com> wrote:

> 

> > 

> > Is it possible to have a 3D Desktop in Breezy ?

> > 

> I'm all updated to Breezy as of last night and, yes, 3ddesk works

> just fine.

> 

> Cybe R. Wizard

> -- 

> Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 

> A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 

> use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.

> 		Winduhs

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



Anyone having problems running 3ddesk on a mac?  Everytime i run the
command i only see a black screen.  Everything is installed properly
through apt-get but when i run the program i get a blank screen.  When
i just press left or right button, nothing shows but when i press enter
i'm on another screen.  This means that it works, but its just that i
can't see the 3d effect.  Anyone having the same problem?


-- 
evilfoo



From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:43:33 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:43:33 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <43B39D96.5020108@free.fr>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee970b290512281854n37c4279o@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee970b290512281934s464614a5h@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B39D96.5020108@free.fr>
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>
> > Now am I reading this right?  ZOPE FAILED TO LOAD BECAUSE IT COULDN'T
> FIND A
> > README FILE?!?!?!
> It looks like it did. I would try a '$sudo touch README.txt' at the
> indicated URI.


I did the functional equivalent (ln -S to a README down one layer).  It
still vomited.

> Where is this "just work" thing now?  I'd like to find it and add it to my
> > Ubuntu installation.  Synaptic, however, doesn't seem to have anything
> like
> > it in its repositories.
> You can add all the repositories you need in Synaptic. Please visit the
> menus,
> It's very intuitive.
>

You missed the sarcasm, I'm afraid.  I'm looking for the "just work"
repository instead of the repository where things don't work.  ;-)

Anyway, the problem was solved by scorching Zope 3 and installing Zope
2.8instead.  Very strange.  Zope
2.7 fails.  Zope 3 fails.  Zope 2.8 works great.  Someone needs to put a
note on that.  "Install this version only if you want something that doesn't
work right."
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From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 08:47:10 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:47:10 +0100
Subject: web based Ubuntu and Kubuntu. How does it sound?
In-Reply-To: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B3A28E.5040304@free.fr>

sahutoglu sonmez a écrit :
>  Hello Ubuntu users,
> I am not sure it this is a good idea. But just to see what other people think about it. Here it is. I just check the website http://www.workspot.com/
> You can use linux in your browser. I really liked it. It would be nice if I could use Ubuntu and Kubuntu like that. it would be better if it is the latest development release. That is Dapperta this point. That way we can follow the development and get to use it anywhere we want. And it will be easier for people to give it a try. 
> On the other hand I don't know what that means financially for canonical.
> What do you think?
> 
> Happy new year.
It looks like nonsense. First it tells me too many users, please come 
back later, then my GUI starts blocking, then I try again, and comes a 
Wizard setup with the start of Mandrake install. (Or something approaching).
That's a nice start for a troll. :( I don't feel like exploring further 
this Applet Java application.
Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From cairnsww at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec 29 08:53:14 2005
From: cairnsww at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:53:14 +0200
Subject: How do I run a shell?
Message-ID: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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I create a folder bin under my home directory.

I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".

I add execute to the file properties.

I type dir in the terminal window.

In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.

In Ubuntu I get "command not found".

In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.

Help!

Bill






From julio.biason at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 09:16:55 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:16:55 -0200
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512290116l158283q@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/12/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> I create a folder bin under my home directory.
>
> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".
>
> I add execute to the file properties.
>
> I type dir in the terminal window.
>
> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
>
> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
>
> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.

You probably don't have '$HOME/bin' on your PATH. Edit .bashrc and
add, on the end

export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

Close the terminal, open it again and it should work.

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 09:22:12 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:22:12 +0100
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512290043y346001a1p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<ee970b290512251751r428ecf2u@mail.gmail.com>	<ee970b290512281854n37c4279o@mail.gmail.com>	<ee970b290512281934s464614a5h@mail.gmail.com>	<43B39D96.5020108@free.fr>
	<ee970b290512290043y346001a1p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B3AAC4.7090201@free.fr>

Michael Richter a écrit :
> You missed the sarcasm, I'm afraid.  I'm looking for the "just work"
> repository instead of the repository where things don't work.  ;-)

> Anyway, the problem was solved by scorching Zope 3 and installing Zope
> 2.8instead.  Very strange.  Zope
> 2.7 fails.  Zope 3 fails.  Zope 2.8 works great.  Someone needs to put a
> note on that.  "Install this version only if you want something that doesn't
> work right."
See, I know someone whose distro for years have been Slackware, and a 
few Slackware like in the meanwhile, with dual Windows. He installed 
Ubuntu Hoary, then Breezy. The first thing he did, was try to sort out 
all that's 'unuseful'. He broke his distro totally (300 Mo away with the 
libs and so...), so he reinstalled it very fast (10 minutes wao! no 
other distro so fast to reinstall!)

Then he started to try removing all the 's***' away from X-org, all the 
pilots he doesn't need and so on  :))
I let you guess the end ? lol

Well, at home, he saw me use my scanner, although he's been a many years 
user, he never saw running a scanner before, my printer was setup in 1 
minute after I installed the first time ... and we have the 16000 or 
more Debian packages available...  all for free ;)
Plus dpkg-repack, plus alien, plus the sources packages.... plus so many 
things that work well at once!  :D
Ubuntu is very young, and although allready at the top of the known 
distributions. :)
Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From dixon.jon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 09:32:43 2005
From: dixon.jon at gmail.com (Jon Dixon)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:32:43 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu and Pentium 630
In-Reply-To: <43B39B87.4030002@gmail.com>
References: <43B39B87.4030002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B3AD3B.8010104@gmail.com>

Xiyan Lon wrote:
> Dear all,
> I have new pc with Pentium 630. I want to know, what kind of iso I must
> download to install in using this processor? I want to make dual boot
> with WinXP. Are there anyone have experience with this processor?
> 
> Xiyan Lon
> 

Hi Xiyan

I have a Pentium 4 650 CPU, and I use the AMD64 ISO.

However, not all things like 64-bit linux so for better compatibility
use the standard x86 ISO.

HTH,

Jon



From simon.taplin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 09:45:38 2005
From: simon.taplin at gmail.com (Simon Taplin)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:45:38 +0000
Subject: Nessus 3 Question
Message-ID: <43B3B042.5090309@gmail.com>

I'm running Kubuntu AMD64 with Nessus 3. Nessus only be installed/run on 
my i386 chroot.

Does anyone know if Nessus can use the nmap/nikto/etc that is part of 
the AMD64 installation or do I need to install nmap/nikto in my i386 
chroot?

Thanks
Simon



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 09:43:29 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:43:29 -0500
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
References: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <psyguy92.20sq5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Someone might give you a better solution, but you could try hitting
PrintScrn on your keyboard to do a screen caputure.  Then open in GIMP
and crop as needed.


-- 
psyguy92



From sepheebear at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:09:59 2005
From: sepheebear at gmail.com (Seth Hasani)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:09:59 -0500
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229100959.GA11162@RabbitNeT.org>

<quote who="Santanu Chatterjee" on Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 12:43:33AM EST>

> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I am on Breezy. I don't like to have a bottom panel showing the window list
> applet. My top-panel does not have space for the window list applet. I rather
> like to use the window selector applet for selecting windows. I also happen
> to dislike reaching for the mouse to see the drop down list from the window
> selector applet. Can you tell me how to set a keyboard shortcut for viewing
> this list. In general, I would like to know how to set a keyboard shortcut for
> any gnome panel applet.

"Alt+Tab" brings up a list of applications and cycles through running ones
similar to OS X.

Seth 



From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Thu Dec 29 10:09:23 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:09:23 +0100
Subject: web based Ubuntu and Kubuntu. How does it sound?
In-Reply-To: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135850963.8710.0.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On wo, 2005-12-28 at 19:24 -0800, sahutoglu sonmez wrote:
>  Hello Ubuntu users,
> I am not sure it this is a good idea. But just to see what other
> people think about it. Here it is. I just check the website
> http://www.workspot.com/
> You can use linux in your browser. I really liked it. It would be nice
> if I could use Ubuntu and Kubuntu like that. it would be better if it
> is the latest development release. That is Dapperta this point. That
> way we can follow the development and get to use it anywhere we want.
> And it will be easier for people to give it a try. 
> On the other hand I don't know what that means financially for
> canonical.
> What do you think?

I think FreeNX with the NX web plugin is much better :)

-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
  - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
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From marius.lists at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:25:44 2005
From: marius.lists at gmail.com (Marius Bock)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:25:44 +0200
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <f2e056010512290225y2ae3f5bbs3acde8fc196ac2f0@mail.gmail.com>

Or just create a dir alias for ls ... and then you do not have to worry
about anything else.

Marius

On 12/29/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za> wrote:
>
> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited
> EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
>
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I create a folder bin under my home directory.
>
> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one
> line "ls".
>
> I add execute to the file properties.
>
> I type dir in the terminal window.
>
> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
>
> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
>
> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.
>
> Help!
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec 29 10:30:25 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:30:25 +0100
Subject: USB headsets : can't get the mic to work ...
Message-ID: <1135852225.8425.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I borrowed a Logitech USB headset to try voice VoIP under Linux.
I have never used these fancy things before so don't really know how to
proceed (using Breezy), I just improvised.

What I did is just plug the thing, and to my amazement, it was instantly
recognised, quite impressed. Then I went to System->Preferences->Sound,
where I changed the "default sound card" from the on-board sound chip to
the USB headset. I had to log-out/in for the change to take effect, but
I now have sound in the headset. Then I opened the volume mixer, and
went to File->Change Device, to select the headset. This gives me a
control for the headphones, which works (I can vary the volume), and a
control for the microphone. 

That's where problems start... I launched the sound recorder to check if
it could record my voice using the headset, and it doesn't work, nothing
to be heard when I play back.

I tried with Dapper, and it's much the same in this regard.

Am I missing something obvious, or is USB headset support immature in
Linux ?

Any help/experiences gratefully received :-)



Regards,


--
Vince




From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 10:59:33 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:59:33 +0100
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B3C195.8070709@free.fr>

> James Diehl a écrit :
> Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
> It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
> If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
> them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
> I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
> Any help would be appreciated!
I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29

for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation

Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Thu Dec 29 10:59:16 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:59:16 +0200
Subject: How do I run a shell?
Message-ID: <s3b3dd9c.057@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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Reply - thanks Julio, I will try it.

I thought that the Linux convention was that $HOME/bin was on the PATH?

Bill

>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 29 December 2005 >>>
On 29/12/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> I create a folder bin under my home directory.
>
> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".
>
> I add execute to the file properties.
>
> I type dir in the terminal window.
>
> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
>
> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
>
> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.

You probably don't have '$HOME/bin' on your PATH. Edit .bashrc and
add, on the end

export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

Close the terminal, open it again and it should work.

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>


*********************************************




From psb at ipl.dtu.dk  Thu Dec 29 11:10:43 2005
From: psb at ipl.dtu.dk (Phillip Sc. Boegh)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com 
 was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYourBox?
In-Reply-To: <aec9371b0512282219g2b604194kaaa14e2deb965216@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org><30124.213.237.42.134.1134850972.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512251406m5e8febfbqaa525d3810d2c9e7@mail.gmail.com><28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com><10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com><11427.213.237.42.134.1135813905.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk><aec9371b0512281743h31c9b6a5ic4f61ddb5b32aaf3@mail.gmail.com><13259.213.237.42.134.1135821475.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512282219g2b604194kaaa14e2deb965216@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13718.213.237.42.134.1135854643.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>

> On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:
>
> With which chipsets?
>
> With which soundcard onboard?
>
>
> According to Device Manager:  82801 DB/DBL/DMM AC'97
OK - it is not easy. When I googled I found zero either with Linux nor
Ubuntu setups. That is extraordinaer seldom. I had the same AC'97, and
just got an external soundcard for other reasons. So I did never find out
if Ubuntu supported it.

Good luck

Phillip



From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 11:22:44 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:22:44 +0100
Subject: Kernel Sources - Compiling KQemu with Qemu - more newbie
 questions -
In-Reply-To: <43B39B71.7010006@free.fr>
References: <1de8539a0512282324r653c69e2sa6526accb8473362@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B39B71.7010006@free.fr>
Message-ID: <43B3C704.9060502@free.fr>

J.Markoll a écrit :
> Sasha Tsykin a écrit : 
>> Hey,
>> If asked to install the kernel-source package, that means that the
>> kernel-headers package should be installed as well, in Ubuntu as well 
>> as in many other distributions.
>> Sasha

I have downloaded this:
linux-headers-2.6.12-10-k7 which has installed this:
linux-headers-2.6.12-10 linux-headers-2.6.12-10-k7

and now I'm downloading this:
linux-source-2.6.12 build-essential cpp-3.4 g++ g++-4.0 gcc gcc-3.4 
gcc-3.4-doc gcc-4.0 libstdc++6-4.0-dev
(all the stuff that comes with build-essential, and linux-sources, juste 
for this accelerator to install  :o )

There are several documentations in where I go and fetch disparate 
infos. For example, specifics for KQemu+Qemu under Ubuntu Breezy do not 
exist, but recrossing info is possible.

There is one thing I ignore yet, about compilation. Should the 
compilation be done in the /home/user rather than in /usr/local or 
/usr/src ? if ...
if... why and what for ? or to avoid what ? some docs say one way, 
others the other way, what to think about it ?

Should it be different for common tools and application than for the 
kernel compilation ?

Thanks, Joyce Markoll.

PS: here are the docs I'm using :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingEasyHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/QemuEmulator?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 11:36:17 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:36:17 -0500
Subject: Dapper: Can no longer access Application menu?
References: <43B2D3A8.5060500@TemporalArts.com><Pine.LNX.4.21.0512281853480.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
	<e453abbe0512281117o71260f19j67bfad083ad76d2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <beercz.20susn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I had this problem too, and on the reported bug
http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20216  William Lachance
offers this useful fix:

"Dapper seems to ship a file called '/etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu'
which points to the (currently) non-existent
'/var/lib/menu-xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu'.
Removing the symlink should get your system working nicely again."

William Lachance gets the credit, not me.

Thanks William.


-- 
beercz



From xiyanlon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 11:48:07 2005
From: xiyanlon at gmail.com (Xiyan Lon)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:48:07 +0100
Subject: ubuntu on pentium 630
Message-ID: <9a38bfc70512290348j452d99dai56c72491f64913b6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
I have new pc with Pentium 630. I want to know, what kind of iso I must
download to install in using this processor, x86_64 or i386? I want to make
dual boot
with WinXP. Are there anyone have experience with this processor?

Xiyan Lon
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 12:05:44 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:05:44 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on pentium 630
References: <9a38bfc70512290348j452d99dai56c72491f64913b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Swab.20swna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


The i386 ISO is the one you need.


-- 
Swab



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 12:18:59 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:18:59 -0500
Subject: ubuntu on pentium 630
References: <9a38bfc70512290348j452d99dai56c72491f64913b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kahping.20swna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


either one is fine. the Pentium 4 630 is a 64bit chip, so u can actually
install either one. the only thing is 64bit still isn't "mainstream"
yet, so you might find that some software are a bit more difficult to
get installed and running.

safest bet is to stick to i386 for the time being; at least until 64bit
becomes more widespread (unless you're feeling adventurous ;-) )

kahping


-- 
kahping



From mscottaline at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 12:44:26 2005
From: mscottaline at gmail.com (Michael Scottaline)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:44:26 -0500
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <OF5947A1BA.D8EE4124-ON652570E6.002B7785-652570E6.002B8061@tatatel.co.in>
References: <OF5947A1BA.D8EE4124-ON652570E6.002B7785-652570E6.002B8061@tatatel.co.in>
Message-ID: <1135860266.18293.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 13:25 +0530, Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in wrote:
> Dear Friends
> I am a novice user of linux who just wanted to learn linux through use.
> I have upgraded my computer to Breezy (5.10) from 5.04 and started gettting
> following  problem.
>    System freezes without any reason
>    I could not run Synaptic, Users-admin, disks-admin, Networks-admin etc
>    program from Root terminal.
>    My PC is PIV 2.6 Ghz, 512 mb ram but system si slow.
> 
> please help me
===========================
Hi Greg,
You haven't told us much about HOW you upgraded.  Did you change all
your apt source from Hoary to Breezy and then 
sudo apt-get update
sudo at-get dist-upgrade
or did you use a different method (e.g., via a CD)??
The slowness and freezing difficulties might be the result of conflicts
between libraries, incompletely converted.  Had you added software to
you Hoary box manually or from other Deb repositories??
You *might* be best off saving your config files and other important (to
you) files and doing a fresh Breezy install.
Or you might the method I mentioned above and run your upgrade that way
(assuming you haven't added significantly via other repositories.
HTH,
Mike

-- 
"The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 
30 years of his life."
  --Muhammad Ali




From rkimber at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec 29 12:47:42 2005
From: rkimber at ntlworld.com (R Kimber)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:47:42 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Dapper install failure
Message-ID: <20051229124742.44f08ce9.rkimber@ntlworld.com>

I tried to install Dapper using dapper-install-amd64.iso
on my dual opteron.  However, after appearing to load the kernel, the
screen goes blank and nothing appears to happen.  I've tried both
normal and expert modes.

Any suggestions?

- Richard.
-- 
Richard Kimber
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/



From julio.biason at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 12:51:52 2005
From: julio.biason at gmail.com (Julio Biason)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:51:52 -0200
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <s3b3dd9c.057@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3b3dd9c.057@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <3a73f7f00512290451h61a2a5b7j@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/12/05, Bill Cairns <CairnsWW at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> I thought that the Linux convention was that $HOME/bin was on the PATH?

I don't think it is a convention (even /usr/bin and /bin show be added
to PATH), but something it is usually done by most distributions.

Ubuntu probably doesn't do that to prevent someone putting an
executable with a famous name (like, say, 'ls') on a user's "bin" and
screwing evertyhing up (something like using 'sudo' and letting root
without a password).

Just my thoughts, though. :)

--
Julio Biason <julio.biason at gmail.com>



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 13:26:26 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:26:26 -0500
Subject: web based Ubuntu and Kubuntu. How does it sound?
In-Reply-To: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229032439.38345.qmail@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512290526gcbfe143n934fe62083abde76@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, sahutoglu sonmez <sahutsonmez at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Hello Ubuntu users,
> I am not sure it this is a good idea. But just to see what other people
> think about it. Here it is. I just check the website
> http://www.workspot.com/
> You can use linux in your browser. I really liked it. It would be nice if I
> could use Ubuntu and Kubuntu like that. it would be better if it is the
> latest development release. That is Dapperta this point. That way we can
> follow the development and get to use it anywhere we want. And it will be
> easier for people to give it a try.
> On the other hand I don't know what that means financially for canonical.
> What do you think?
>
> Happy new year.

Given that there have been a few negative posts on this project I
figured I should post a few of the comments from their website (FYI I
didn't get it to work... it doesn't seem to be able to connect ;-).

Summary: runs Mandrake, is known not to work for everyone
(firewall/NAT issues?), site/demo runs on five year old servers,
servers are having "issues"

PS Have no affiliation with this project/never heard of it before
today... found the comments in this thread a little too knee-jerk for
my taste.

Eric.

>From the demo page...

Welcome to Workspot's Linux & VNC demo. When you use the workspot
desktop, this is the mechanism that displays the Linux desktop. So if
this demo works for you, through your forewall, the workspot service
will work for you. Currently, this demo runs Mandrake's Linux distro
with the Gnome V2 desktop.

This demo will automatically expire after 10 minutes. If you finish
using the demo before that time, please click the 'Disconnect' button
below. Thank you!

>From the main page...
Goal:
provide faster & more reliable servers for this demo (ours are 5 years
old, and fail often).

Please note: we are not taking more subscribers, because we are
experiencing equipment failures at a high rate. If you are in the
position to donate rackspace, or new servers, please contact us.



From lists at neilwoolford.plus.com  Thu Dec 29 13:29:08 2005
From: lists at neilwoolford.plus.com (neil woolford)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:08 +0000
Subject: xsane Problems
In-Reply-To: <1135813579.9555.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135813579.9555.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135862948.8471.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 18:46 -0500, Irene Zimmermann wrote:
> Installed a Samsung 4720f multifuction machine; a few automated
> installation problems with scanner; had to clean up /etc/sane.d and
> dll.d conf files.
> 
> Scanner now works but must run xsane as root to recognize the scanner.
> 
> What must I reconfigure to run sxane as a non-root user with the
> aforementioned scanner recognition.
> 

Obviously I don't know exactly what problems you had during
installation, or what you had to clean up, so I don't know what the
problem is.  Having said that, there is one thing I'd check early on in
the fault-finding process, which is whether your normal non-root users
have scanner use privilege.  Basically they need to be members of the
scanner group to be able to use it.

I'd look in System->Administration->Users and Groups, scanner is
probably group 108 (it is on my Breezy system).  If you select a user
name and check the properties you can see what the common user
privileges (group memberships) are and set or unset them.

Neil

(The membership of more obscure groups can be set from the Groups tab of
Users and Groups.)
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 13:28:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:28:52 -0500
Subject: Gnome "tooltips" : any control over them ?
References: <1113517780.4453.63.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Danshaku.20t0cm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have experienced the same kind of problem. I have posted in another
forums (in my motherlanuage), but they didn't help. I too personally
hate those tooltips, hated them since my windows time. Please can
somebody help? Pretty please!


-- 
Danshaku



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 13:46:15 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:46:15 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <200512231254.55454.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20051213110356.GB1723@mail.kenpro.com.au>
	<77520bee0512172204h2a8f9c5dg5705513b7fb124eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135284755.16835.368.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>
	<200512231254.55454.paul.cooke100@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this thread had already been moved to sounder...

Response is posted at bottom. Context included for anyone who cares
and didn't see it before.

On 12/23/05, paul cooke <paul.cooke100 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday 22 December 2005 20:52, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> > > <http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=13>:
> > > Rank        Distribution    Hits Per Day
> > > 1   Ubuntu  2739
> > > 2   SUSE    1891
> > > 3   Mandriva        1801
> > > 4   Fedora  1030
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
> > views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
> > Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
> > have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
> > not actually running Ubuntu yet.
> >
> > It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
> > server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
> > that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.
> >
> > I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
> > -brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
> > (To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
> > office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
> >   Linux                0.13%
> >   Macintosh            3.08%
> >   SunOS                0.01%
> >   Other               96.78%
> >
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
> >   Debian                3.7%
> >   Fedora                0.1%
> >   Mandrake              0.0%
> >   Mandriva              2.2%
> >   Redhat                0.0%
> >   SUSE                  0.2%
> >   Ubuntu                5.7%
> >   Anonymous            88.4%
> >
> > It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
> > Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
> > Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
> > and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.
> >
> > I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
> > Firefox or Konqueror:
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
> >   Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
> >   Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
> >   SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
> >   Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
> >   Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
> >   Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%
> >
> > >From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
> >
> > is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.
> >
> > As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
> > them.
> >
> > --Mike Bird
>
> try these:
>
> http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php
>
> not based on web page hits but actual machines registered by users.

These statistics are _wildly_ unreliable if you're using them to make
population extrapolations. They're based on REALLY OLD data*.

First problem which is a problem with virtually ALL internet-based
polls: self selecting respondents. People who are motivated respond to
polls (or, in this case, Linux Counter site). Thus, an internet poll
for support/opposition to abortion, for e.g., will not give reliable
results since only strongly opinionated people will respond. All it'll
tell you is the opinion of the people who _responded_, nothing more,
nothing less.

Second problem... also, related to self-selection by respondents. Web
sites have certain demographics. You could easily be drawing in only
the tech geeks, and not the users.

And, now for the coup-de-gras, the data are OLD and cumulative*!!!

<http://counter.li.org/reports/short.php>.

Most participants in the counter program signed up _before_ Ubuntu
even existed. Because it's a running total, you have old tech mixed
with new tech. If the growth of Linux on the desktop is really as
great as claimed (and, I'm not convinced it's as dramatic as
proponents would have us believe), then RedHat should barely even
register on this counter.

The only good assessment of Linux usage patterns (in a particular
country) would be to randomly select a thousand (or more) computer
users (to save money not surveying non-computer users) and as them
what they use (Windows, Mac, Linux (what distro, if known), etc.).

*Even though the data are old, they can give an interesting peek into
the geography of Linux use (although, even there any conclusions will
be weak, at best since expanded language support means that Linux is
now far more accessible to non-English speakers).
Eric.



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 13:51:38 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:21:38 +0330
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually,
	Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics resolved?
Message-ID: <2991d56c0512290551i491c5720nbd9867d66ebc800@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

It's near a year that I have decided to install Ubuntu on my AMD64 PC.
However as nVidia drivers are problematic I have not been able to do
so. And I'm not the only one experiencing this porblem. Other people
have also said that they are experiencing the exact same problem (see
here for more info: http://my.opera.com/behrangsa/blog/show.dml/45487)

I just wanted to know if the problem with nVidia drivers are finally
solved and if I can rip Windows off of my HDD and finally install
Ubuntu afresh.

Just FYI, I experienced the exact same problem with SuSe Eval edition
10 as well. So this is not a problem with Ubuntu but with nVidia (or
maybe Firefox?).

Regards,
Behi

--
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec 29 14:26:21 2005
From: H.A.J.Koster at xs4all.nl (Henk Koster)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:26:21 +0100
Subject: How do I run a shell?
References: <s3b3dd9c.057@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.29.14.26.16.470760@xs4all.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:59:16 +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:

> NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
> 
> which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Reply - thanks Julio, I will try it.
> 
> I thought that the Linux convention was that $HOME/bin was on the PATH?
> 
> Bill
> 
>>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 29 December 2005 >>>
> On 29/12/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za> wrote:
>> I create a folder bin under my home directory.
>>
>> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".
>>
>> I add execute to the file properties.
>>
>> I type dir in the terminal window.
>>
>> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
>>
>> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
>>
>> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.
> 
> You probably don't have '$HOME/bin' on your PATH. Edit .bashrc and
> add, on the end
> 
> export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> 
> Close the terminal, open it again and it should work.

1. No need to make a new alias "dir" for "ls" in a terminal session -- it
already exists.

2. The more common place to put your own executables is in /usr/local/bin,
which is already on the default path.

3. Executables to be run from the very directory they're in must be
prefixed with the current directory ./ and the user must have execute
priviledges in the current directory (a security measure in Debian).

Hope this helps...

-- 
H.A.J. Koster
"Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
(attributed to L.J. Savage)






From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Thu Dec 29 15:01:01 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (frank mccormick)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:01:01 -0500
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
Message-ID: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>

The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
around this ??



-- 
frank mccormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca>




From rkimber at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec 29 15:22:25 2005
From: rkimber at ntlworld.com (R Kimber)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:22:25 +0000
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually, Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics
 resolved?
In-Reply-To: <2991d56c0512290551i491c5720nbd9867d66ebc800@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2991d56c0512290551i491c5720nbd9867d66ebc800@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229152225.e2458c3d.rkimber@ntlworld.com>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:21:38 +0330
Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just wanted to know if the problem with nVidia drivers are finally
> solved and if I can rip Windows off of my HDD and finally install
> Ubuntu afresh.

I remember seeing something somewhere to the effect that there is an
nvidia-related kernel bug that is unlikely to be resolved until 2.6.14

- Richard
-- 
Richard Kimber
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/



From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 29 15:22:48 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:22:48 -0600
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20050513164213.21388.qmail@gawab.com>
	<20050513165822.449d191e@localhost.localdomain>
	<evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051229092248.1acf72f9@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:04 -0500
'Forum Post
<ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote:

> Anyone having problems running 3ddesk on a mac?  Everytime i run the
> command i only see a black screen.  Everything is installed properly
> through apt-get but when i run the program i get a blank screen.  When
> i just press left or right button, nothing shows but when i press
> enter
> i'm on another screen.  This means that it works, but its just that i
> can't see the 3d effect.  Anyone having the same problem?

Try running 3ddeskd first:
<sudo 3ddeskd>
<your password>

and follow that with 3ddesk as <user>

I don't know Jack about Macs but this might be the key.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Here cash is all powerful, the idol placed highest, whether one sweat,
thieve, grind others down, or scheme for it.
	Fafhrd, Fritz Leiber's "Ill Met In Lankhmar"



From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 15:27:48 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:27:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The main reason I can see why  Kubuntuwould lead Ubuntu is what it is!  Kubuntu is KDE, KDE programs are more Unix than Linux.  If you go to a lot of sites that offer software, programs, office suites and such, you will find more listings for compatible programs in KDE/Unix.  When it comes to Linux, it's allways the same old thing:  SUSE. REDHAT, Fedora, Solaris.  Why?  The same reason every time; Debian.  What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's the deal?
  

Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote: I thought this thread had already been moved to sounder...

Response is posted at bottom. Context included for anyone who cares
and didn't see it before.

On 12/23/05, paul cooke 
 wrote:
> On Thursday 22 December 2005 20:52, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 22:04, Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > I would suggest you stop and take a look at the following (crude)
> > > break down on page views for the past three months at DistroWatch
> > > :
> > > Rank        Distribution    Hits Per Day
> > > 1   Ubuntu  2739
> > > 2   SUSE    1891
> > > 3   Mandriva        1801
> > > 4   Fedora  1030
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > Those figures are certainly interesting.  However, they count
> > views of the page describing Ubuntu, not people actually using
> > Ubuntu.  Most of the people viewing that page are people who
> > have heard about Ubuntu and are considering switching but are
> > not actually running Ubuntu yet.
> >
> > It's already been noted that Ubuntu was invisible in Netcraft's
> > server rankings, but that measure is subject to the criticism
> > that Ubuntu has not yet put out a proper server release.
> >
> > I therefore analysed the last million hits at a national-
> > -brand website with largely teen and young adult demographics.
> > (To avoid bias, I first filtered out the accesses from our
> > office and customer systems - about 0.3% of the total hits.)
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF ALL HITS
> >   Linux                0.13%
> >   Macintosh            3.08%
> >   SunOS                0.01%
> >   Other               96.78%
> >
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF LINUX HITS
> >   Debian                3.7%
> >   Fedora                0.1%
> >   Mandrake              0.0%
> >   Mandriva              2.2%
> >   Redhat                0.0%
> >   SUSE                  0.2%
> >   Ubuntu                5.7%
> >   Anonymous            88.4%
> >
> > It turns out that 88.4% of user agent hits which included the
> > Linux string did not include a recognisable distro.  Although
> > Ubuntu and Kubuntu include the distro name in their Firefox
> > and Konqueror user-agent strings this is rare.
> >
> > I also analysed the 50.4% of Linux hits which were from either
> > Firefox or Konqueror:
> >
> >   PERCENTAGE OF FIREFOX OR KONQUEROR LINUX HITS
> >   Kubuntu/Konqueror     5.9%
> >   Mandriva/Firefox      4.3%
> >   SUSE/Firefox          0.3%
> >   Ubuntu/Firefox        0.8%
> >   Anonymous/Konqueror  14.4%
> >   Anonymous/Firefox    75.0%
> >
> > >From this unbiased but limited data, it appears that Kubuntu
> >
> > is doing well in the KDE world but that Ubuntu is lagging.
> >
> > As always, better statistics would be welcome if anyone has
> > them.
> >
> > --Mike Bird
>
> try these:
>
> http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php
>
> not based on web page hits but actual machines registered by users.

These statistics are _wildly_ unreliable if you're using them to make
population extrapolations. They're based on REALLY OLD data*.

First problem which is a problem with virtually ALL internet-based
polls: self selecting respondents. People who are motivated respond to
polls (or, in this case, Linux Counter site). Thus, an internet poll
for support/opposition to abortion, for e.g., will not give reliable
results since only strongly opinionated people will respond. All it'll
tell you is the opinion of the people who _responded_, nothing more,
nothing less.

Second problem... also, related to self-selection by respondents. Web
sites have certain demographics. You could easily be drawing in only
the tech geeks, and not the users.

And, now for the coup-de-gras, the data are OLD and cumulative*!!!

.

Most participants in the counter program signed up _before_ Ubuntu
even existed. Because it's a running total, you have old tech mixed
with new tech. If the growth of Linux on the desktop is really as
great as claimed (and, I'm not convinced it's as dramatic as
proponents would have us believe), then RedHat should barely even
register on this counter.

The only good assessment of Linux usage patterns (in a particular
country) would be to randomly select a thousand (or more) computer
users (to save money not surveying non-computer users) and as them
what they use (Windows, Mac, Linux (what distro, if known), etc.).

*Even though the data are old, they can give an interesting peek into
the geography of Linux use (although, even there any conclusions will
be weak, at best since expanded language support means that Linux is
now far more accessible to non-English speakers).
Eric.

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 16:00:17 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:00:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com
	was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYourBox?
In-Reply-To: <13718.213.237.42.134.1135854643.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <20051229160017.46780.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A lot of the manufacturers don't support Linux.  I thought maybe it was the other way around myself.  I've been to ATI Radeon, Nividia, Lexmark, and many others and they all say the same thing:  "We don't support Linux programs."  With all of the diffferent Linux OS's that are available, and Unix systems(including all of the Enterprise versions being run by company networks), you would think it would be profitable for them to support our programs.  

"Phillip Sc. Boegh" <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote: > On 12/28/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh 
 wrote:
>
> With which chipsets?
>
> With which soundcard onboard?
>
>
> According to Device Manager:  82801 DB/DBL/DMM AC'97
OK - it is not easy. When I googled I found zero either with Linux nor
Ubuntu setups. That is extraordinaer seldom. I had the same AC'97, and
just got an external soundcard for other reasons. So I did never find out
if Ubuntu supported it.

Good luck

Phillip

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From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec 29 16:01:10 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:01:10 -0600
Subject: Ease of some Installations of Software
Message-ID: <43B40846.90004@wadesmart.com>

12292005 0958 GMT-5

I just wanted to post my thoughts this morning after installing some 
software.

I had read the thread on the 3dDesktop and thought, 'Thought would be 
interesting.' So, i just opened Synaptic, installed it, typed 3ddesktop 
in my run app widget and - wal-la - it works!

Im still amazed at how easily some things work and yet, I still cant get 
Real Player to work or mplayer to play online videos without being choppy.

I have to say, my move from windows was a bit nerve wracking because I 
thought, I might not ever feel totally comfortable but, Ubuntu has 
really been a good shock.

Wade



From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 16:17:59 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:47:59 +0530
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
In-Reply-To: <98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512290817i428a3b9bw610a645f2f776f92@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, David Coldrick <coldrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> Works fine for me. There's a screwy - and very annoying - thing in Linux
> whereby the contents of the clipboard are not kept if you exit the
> application you copied them from, so Acrobat has to still be running when
> you do the paste. Is that your problem?

No, copying text from acrobat works fine, but it is with
images I am having problems with. After acrobat sends the image
selected to the clipboard (so it says), I can't find a way to paste that
image to any file. IIRC, when I used kubuntu (Hoary), I could select
an image in a pdf file from KPDF. Then I could right click on an empty
space in konqueror (file manager mode), and paste the selection as a
.png file.

Is there anything similar I can do from GNOME?

Regards,
Santanu



From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 16:22:42 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:42 +0530
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
In-Reply-To: <psyguy92.20sq5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>
	<psyguy92.20sq5y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512290822k278f14a8kb8c6d5cf28514051@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Someone might give you a better solution, but you could try hitting
> PrintScrn on your keyboard to do a screen caputure.  Then open in GIMP
> and crop as needed.

:-)
That's what I have been doing presently. Works, but as you mentioned,
there must be a better way.

Regards,
Santanu



From imre.tuske at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 16:27:39 2005
From: imre.tuske at gmail.com (Imre Tuske)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:27:39 +0100
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually,
	Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics resolved?
In-Reply-To: <20051229152225.e2458c3d.rkimber@ntlworld.com>
References: <2991d56c0512290551i491c5720nbd9867d66ebc800@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229152225.e2458c3d.rkimber@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <3c743c460512290827s239aaf21sc4373ed02992a023@mail.gmail.com>

Strange, I always used nvidia cards and never had this problem
(knock-knock-knock :)) -- but I always used "mid-class" (or
non-professional, if you like) cards. Does this happen only with a few card
types, or can appear on any nvidia card?


imre


On 12/29/05, R Kimber <rkimber at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:21:38 +0330
> Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just wanted to know if the problem with nVidia drivers are finally
> > solved and if I can rip Windows off of my HDD and finally install
> > Ubuntu afresh.
>
> I remember seeing something somewhere to the effect that there is an
> nvidia-related kernel bug that is unlikely to be resolved until 2.6.14
>
> - Richard
> --
> Richard Kimber
> http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 16:30:33 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:30:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <43B3C195.8070709@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20051229163033.46413.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joyce, 
 I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment.  I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support.  I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires.  Should all of this really be necessary?
 It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers!  Is the main problem the Debian kernel program?  Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!"  What's the hangup?
 Thank You! Diehl James

"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: > James Diehl a écrit :
> Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
> It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
> If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
> them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
> I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
> Any help would be appreciated!
I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29

for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation

Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 16:30:53 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:00:53 +0530
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <20051229100959.GA11162@RabbitNeT.org>
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229100959.GA11162@RabbitNeT.org>
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512290830g3c4d22dfg5f81164606568eb1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, Seth Hasani <sepheebear at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Alt+Tab" brings up a list of applications and cycles through running ones
> similar to OS X.

Yes, but I find a problem with Alt+Tab. Suppose I have 10 windows open.
Suppose I am using the 1st window, and I want to go to the 5th window.
Using Alt+Tab would require me to press the key combination 5 times.
But if there was a shortcut that could bring up some kind of  window list
menu, I could just use the Down arrow key to get to my required window.

Regards,
Santanu



From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 16:37:46 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:07:46 +0530
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512290837p30e842a8kf7fb4951e40cb751@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> I think it's difficult to bind any key to any arbitrary application
> because the keyboard shortcuts properties in the System--> Preferences
> menu allows only default commands to be bound to keyboard. You can try
> Applications--> System tools--> Configuration editor and play with its
> settings. And please post here when you've found it because I'm looking
> for a similar solution myself. :)

Yes, the confuguration editor does provide a way to bind
any key to any arbitrary application (I assume you are using the
metacity window manager).
This can be done through
/apps/metacity/global_keybindings and
/apps/metacity/keybinding_commands keys.

However, what I require is to set keybindings to activate some
gnome-applets for which I cannot find any suitable command, and
without a command to activate them, how do I bind them to a
shortcut?

Regards,
Santanu



From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 16:42:02 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:42:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ease of some Installations of Software
In-Reply-To: <43B40846.90004@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051229164202.10168.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wade,
 Did you install the Real Player 8 in the synaptic pkg. mgr.?  I tried to install that one, and got an error message about bugs in it!  If you go to Firefox Central, you can download a copy of RealPlayer 10 Gold out of the plug-ins/add-ons page.  Download it to Desktop, open it and run the installer.  I've had trouble trying to run it a couple of times, but eventually got it!  It works great!  If it doesn't run for you the first time, keep trying!  Your Ubuntu system mgr. will tell you that it can't open/install/run it, but don't give up!
 Diehl, James

Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote: 12292005 0958 GMT-5

I just wanted to post my thoughts this morning after installing some 
software.

I had read the thread on the 3dDesktop and thought, 'Thought would be 
interesting.' So, i just opened Synaptic, installed it, typed 3ddesktop 
in my run app widget and - wal-la - it works!

Im still amazed at how easily some things work and yet, I still cant get 
Real Player to work or mplayer to play online videos without being choppy.

I have to say, my move from windows was a bit nerve wracking because I 
thought, I might not ever feel totally comfortable but, Ubuntu has 
really been a good shock.

Wade

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From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Thu Dec 29 17:46:56 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:46:56 +0000
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229163033.46413.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229163033.46413.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200512291746.56412.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

Hello,
Oracle work fine with ubuntu (and debian probably), but installation isn't easy
(special version older than 10g)

There is free oracle express database (in beta yet, but production will be in Jan, 2006)


On Thursday 29 December 2005 04:30 pm, James Diehl wrote:
> Joyce, 
>  I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment.  I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support.  I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires.  Should all of this really be necessary?
>  It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers!  Is the main problem the Debian kernel program?  Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!"  What's the hangup?
>  Thank You! Diehl James
> 
> "J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: > James Diehl a écrit :
> > Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> > My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
> > It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
> > If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> > files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> > all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
> > them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
> > I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> > the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> > and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
> > Any help would be appreciated!
> I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
> here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
> 
> for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
> is here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
> 
> Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 



From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 16:47:36 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:47:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually,
	Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics resolved?
In-Reply-To: <3c743c460512290827s239aaf21sc4373ed02992a023@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229164736.68284.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There are a few that have trouble!  I don't know all of the model nos., but the Nividia site has a list of models that it does support.  I had a ATI Radeon 9200 Pro Graphics card that got totally ruined when I used it with Linux.  Since I took it out though, several ATI graphics support files have been added to my current Ubuntu.  I have been using my built-in graphics, which is Nividia, and it works fine!  The only graphics support files I find in the pkg. mgr. for Nividia, is the update for GLX.
 Diehl, James

Imre Tuske <imre.tuske at gmail.com> wrote: Strange, I always used nvidia cards and never had this problem (knock-knock-knock :)) -- but I always used "mid-class" (or non-professional, if you like) cards. Does this happen only with a few card types, or can appear on any nvidia card?
 
 
 imre
 

On 12/29/05, R Kimber <rkimber at ntlworld.com> wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:21:38 +0330
Behrang Saeedzadeh <behrangsa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just wanted to know if the problem with nVidia drivers are finally
> solved and if I can rip Windows off of my HDD and finally install 
> Ubuntu afresh.

I remember seeing something somewhere to the effect that there is an
nvidia-related kernel bug that is unlikely to be resolved until 2.6.14

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From clintin at linuxmail.org  Thu Dec 29 16:51:18 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:51:18 -0700
Subject: Databases
Message-ID: <20051229165118.5856243EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

James,

Joyce pointed you in the right direction, albeit maybe missing the target a bit with the URL reference, but you should have still been able to find the correct page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oracle10g as I did.  All you should need to know is there.  And while Oracle may say doesn't work with Debian being they don't want to support it but it can be made to work with Ubuntu as the howto demonstrates.

Clint

From: "James Diehl" 
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" 
Subject: Re: Databases
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:30:33 -0800 (PST)


Joyce, 
I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment.  I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support.  I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires.  Should all of this really be necessary?
It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers!  Is the main problem the Debian kernel program?  Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!"  What's the hangup?
Thank You! Diehl James

"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote:
> James Diehl a écrit :
> Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> My Open Office 2.0 says that I can. 
> It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network. 
> If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> files and display the contents. It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> all defective, and won't let the installers run. Is there a trick to making 
> them work? If not, is it because of the Debian? 
> I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> the program. I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work. 
> Any help would be appreciated!
I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29

for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation

Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Thu Dec 29 16:56:25 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:56:25 -0800
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <pan.2005.12.29.14.26.16.470760@xs4all.nl>
References: <s3b3dd9c.057@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
	<pan.2005.12.29.14.26.16.470760@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1135875385.11114.61.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 15:26 +0100, Henk Koster wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:59:16 +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> 
> > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
> > 
> > which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Reply - thanks Julio, I will try it.
> > 
> > I thought that the Linux convention was that $HOME/bin was on the PATH?
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> >>>> ubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com 29 December 2005 >>>
> > On 29/12/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za> wrote:
> >> I create a folder bin under my home directory.
> >>
> >> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".
> >>
> >> I add execute to the file properties.
> >>
> >> I type dir in the terminal window.
> >>
> >> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
> >>
> >> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
> >>
> >> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.
> > 
> > You probably don't have '$HOME/bin' on your PATH. Edit .bashrc and
> > add, on the end
> > 
> > export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > 
> > Close the terminal, open it again and it should work.
> 
> 1. No need to make a new alias "dir" for "ls" in a terminal session -- it
> already exists.

type-----> which dir

should give you 

/bin/dir



> 
> 2. The more common place to put your own executables is in /usr/local/bin,
> which is already on the default path.





vram at Aether:/usr/local $ ls -l
total 84
drwxrwxr-x  6 bin  bin    4096 2004-05-14 11:47 Acrobat5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root staff    24 2004-12-06 22:33 adobesvg
-> /usr/local/adobesvg-3.01
drwxr-xr-x  2 root staff  4096 2004-12-06 22:33 adobesvg-3.01
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 2004-11-28 13:07 bin
<snip>


This is the bin directory...

Owned by root and staff.

users have NO write privileges.

/usr/local/bin is for system wide utilities owned by root

User executables belong in /home/user/bin

HTH

Vram





> 
> 3. Executables to be run from the very directory they're in must be
> prefixed with the current directory ./ and the user must have execute
> priviledges in the current directory (a security measure in Debian).
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 
> -- 
> H.A.J. Koster
> "Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes..."
> (attributed to L.J. Savage)
> 
> 
> 
> 




From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 17:00:17 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:00:17 +0100
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229163033.46413.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229163033.46413.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B41621.5070500@free.fr>

Well James , you're the student, and I'm a newbie, very interested 
indeed, but a newbie. I found a link where the author says he found an 
interesting way to get Oracle function, I thought it may interest you.

For the diverses apps you say, it may be useful for one thing or 
another. I'm not running a server, I'm on a 56k with a serial modem, and
I use an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ with a 2.6.12-10-k7 kernel under Breezy.
(Plus Slackware I was starting to meet with, but it's broken for now).

The k7 kernel is better for my burn CD device, and I'd like to take the 
time to learn to/and compile the kernel one of these days.

The environment: for a server, none is really necessary ? :D
I've got Gnome and Xfce and Ion3 plus Konqueror for navigation in the 
files under Ion3 once a while, as nicer looking with it's pretty colours 
  and icons.

I use most Gnome and Ion3 : Xfce4.2 is in between boths. (more heavy 
than Ion3... lighter, than Gnome... ). I practically never use it 
anymore since I discovered Ion3 which is really a good affair!

For Oracle and this link, I would try and follow this doc step by step, 
if I needed to get it work :)
Best greetings, Joyce markoll.

James Diehl a écrit :
> Joyce, 
>  I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment.  I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support.  I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires.  Should all of this really be necessary?
>  It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers!  Is the main problem the Debian kernel program?  Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!"  What's the hangup?
>  Thank You! Diehl James
> 
> "J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: > James Diehl a écrit :
> 
>>Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
>>My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
>>It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
>>If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
>>files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
>>all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
>>them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
>>I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
>>the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
>>and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
>>Any help would be appreciated!
> 
> I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
> here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
> 
> for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
> is here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
> 
> Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 
> 


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 17:04:39 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:04:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <42b9a27d0512290830g3c4d22dfg5f81164606568eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229170439.10245.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alt + Spacebar is supposed to open a window menu for the currently selected window, Alt + F1; to pen the apps. menu, & Shift + F10 will activate the context menu.

Santanu Chatterjee <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote: On 12/29/05, Seth Hasani  wrote:

> "Alt+Tab" brings up a list of applications and cycles through running ones
> similar to OS X.

Yes, but I find a problem with Alt+Tab. Suppose I have 10 windows open.
Suppose I am using the 1st window, and I want to go to the 5th window.
Using Alt+Tab would require me to press the key combination 5 times.
But if there was a shortcut that could bring up some kind of  window list
menu, I could just use the Down arrow key to get to my required window.

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 17:13:05 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:13:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <200512291746.56412.snpe@snpe.co.yu>
Message-ID: <20051229171305.43204.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I downloaded the Oracle10g-XE-10.2.0.1for i386 and the JDBC 10g, with the Sun JRE and SDK files.  I also downloaded new drivers for both, because Open Office said the drivers were defective and it couldn't access the databases.  Baloney!  All of those drivers couldn't be defective!  I contacted Oracle support and Open Office support, but as yet no help!  Open Office couldn't understand why there is a problem, so I asked if there was a way to upgrade the Star Office 7 plug-in to 8.  Oracle says I need to call their 800 number to talk to live support, which I will.  I thought maybe one of our Ubuntu user family might know a trick that they don't!  Thanks!
 Diehl, James

Haris Peco <snpe at snpe.co.yu> wrote: Hello,
Oracle work fine with ubuntu (and debian probably), but installation isn't easy
(special version older than 10g)

There is free oracle express database (in beta yet, but production will be in Jan, 2006)


On Thursday 29 December 2005 04:30 pm, James Diehl wrote:
> Joyce, 
> I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment. I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support. I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires. Should all of this really be necessary?
> It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers! Is the main problem the Debian kernel program? Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!" What's the hangup?
>  Thank You! Diehl James
> 
> "J.Markoll"  wrote: > James Diehl a écrit :
> > Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> > My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
> > It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
> > If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> > files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> > all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
> > them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
> > I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> > the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> > and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
> > Any help would be appreciated!
> I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
> here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
> 
> for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
> is here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
> 
> Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 17:36:02 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:36:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <43B41621.5070500@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20051229173602.83875.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Joyce!
 I didn't install the ION, I have so many other things on the list already.  I started with the 5.10 Badger, then was upgraded to 6.04, now I'm at 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel.  I'm on the Apache 2 common/threaded server, w/Courier Imap SSL 3.0, Firefox 2.0 and Thunderbird on POP3 Yahoo DSL.
 It sounds like a strange combination, but there's hardly anywhere I can't go!  I'm a comp. networking systems & IT student at ITT Technical, and am really getting into the Unix/Linux programs.  So much of the studies at school, the other students, and most of the teachers are Microsoft Windows fanatics.  In the last 1 1/2 years I've had MS-DOS, 95, 98, 98SE, XPHome, XP Pro, & for the last 2 months Ubuntu Linux.  None of my Windows programs held up to my work load, or to the adware/spyware/viruses that are on the web.  They don't have the developer programs on Windows that I find and use on Linux either.  If you do find a program you want, you have to mortgage the house, car, wife & kids to afford to buy it!  I think that's a little rediculous!  Linux programs are getting hot!  If Windows doesn't get it's Longhorn Shorthorn Vista thing-a-ma-jiggy out soon, they may not find anybody that wants it!  The way things are going up, it may cost $700 for home version anyway!  But enough of
 the soapbox preaching.  Right now, I'm studying database systems management with Access/Oracle.  I believe that if I study as many different programs as I can, when I graduate with that CNS & IT degree, I should have a better chance of getting a great job, maybe as Developer/Administrator or such!

"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: Well James , you're the student, and I'm a newbie, very interested 
indeed, but a newbie. I found a link where the author says he found an 
interesting way to get Oracle function, I thought it may interest you.

For the diverses apps you say, it may be useful for one thing or 
another. I'm not running a server, I'm on a 56k with a serial modem, and
I use an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ with a 2.6.12-10-k7 kernel under Breezy.
(Plus Slackware I was starting to meet with, but it's broken for now).

The k7 kernel is better for my burn CD device, and I'd like to take the 
time to learn to/and compile the kernel one of these days.

The environment: for a server, none is really necessary ? :D
I've got Gnome and Xfce and Ion3 plus Konqueror for navigation in the 
files under Ion3 once a while, as nicer looking with it's pretty colours 
  and icons.

I use most Gnome and Ion3 : Xfce4.2 is in between boths. (more heavy 
than Ion3... lighter, than Gnome... ). I practically never use it 
anymore since I discovered Ion3 which is really a good affair!

For Oracle and this link, I would try and follow this doc step by step, 
if I needed to get it work :)
Best greetings, Joyce markoll.

James Diehl a écrit :
> Joyce, 
> I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment. I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support. I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires. Should all of this really be necessary?
> It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers! Is the main problem the Debian kernel program? Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!" What's the hangup?
>  Thank You! Diehl James
> 
> "J.Markoll"  wrote: > James Diehl a écrit :
> 
>>Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
>>My Open Office 2.0 says that I can.  
>>It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network.  
>>If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
>>files and display the contents.  It reports that the drivers for the base are 
>>all defective, and won't let the installers run.  Is there a trick to making 
>>them work?  If not, is it because of the Debian?  
>>I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
>>the program.  I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
>>and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work.  
>>Any help would be appreciated!
> 
> I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
> here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
> 
> for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
> is here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
> 
> Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 
> 


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 17:59:17 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:59:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229165118.5856243EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20051229175917.34440.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks to all!
 I'm gonna try it again!
 Diehl, James

Clint Tinsley <clintin at linuxmail.org> wrote: James,

Joyce pointed you in the right direction, albeit maybe missing the target a bit with the URL reference, but you should have still been able to find the correct page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oracle10g as I did. All you should need to know is there. And while Oracle may say doesn't work with Debian being they don't want to support it but it can be made to work with Ubuntu as the howto demonstrates.

Clint

From: "James Diehl" 
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" 
Subject: Re: Databases
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:30:33 -0800 (PST)


Joyce, 
I am running "Breezy Badger" 7.01 w/ 2.6.12-10 Kernel and KDE desktop environment.  I have the My SQL + PostGreSQL among others, 2.0 Open Office, a Bourne Again shell and i386 on AMD w/K7support.  I have Macros, and several different Java programs, including the Sun Java programs that Oracle requires.  Should all of this really be necessary?
It seems as though I have enough files and such to set up a network database for a thousand computers!  Is the main problem the Debian kernel program?  Everything I see on the Oracle site, and others say; "Debian won't accept this, Debian won't work with this, Debian this, Debian that, etc.........................!"  What's the hangup?
Thank You! Diehl James

"J.Markoll"  wrote:
> James Diehl a écrit :
> Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?
> My Open Office 2.0 says that I can. 
> It lists the different types of databases that can be accessed on a network. 
> If I download a base, the program can locate it on my PC and let me open the 
> files and display the contents. It reports that the drivers for the base are 
> all defective, and won't let the installers run. Is there a trick to making 
> them work? If not, is it because of the Debian? 
> I am a CNS and IT student at ITT Technical, and would like to work on developing 
> the program. I am studying database system management and VB w/GUI's right now, 
> and would sure like to make these conversions/crossovers and such work. 
> Any help would be appreciated!
I just found the right link for you, while seeking for something else:
here a how-to to make Oracle work under Ubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tOraOracleSetUpHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29

for a reminder to all who need it, the list of category documentations 
is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation

Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From snpe at snpe.co.yu  Thu Dec 29 19:12:19 2005
From: snpe at snpe.co.yu (Haris Peco)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:12:19 +0000
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <20051229165118.5856243EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051229165118.5856243EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200512291912.19359.snpe@snpe.co.yu>

On Thursday 29 December 2005 04:51 pm, Clint Tinsley wrote:
> James,
> 
> Joyce pointed you in the right direction, albeit maybe missing the target a bit with the URL reference, but you should have still been able to find the correct page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oracle10g as I did.  All you should need to know is there.  And while Oracle may say doesn't work with Debian being they don't want to support it but it can be made to work with Ubuntu as the howto demonstrates.
> 
> Clint
> 
Oracle guys from oracle xe (express)  make promise for installer for debian
in production version Oracle 10g XE (Jan 2006)



From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 18:19:29 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:19:29 -0800
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, frank mccormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> around this ??

what is the error you get?


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From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 18:21:41 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:21:41 -0800
Subject: Ease of some Installations of Software
In-Reply-To: <20051229164202.10168.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <43B40846.90004@wadesmart.com>
	<20051229164202.10168.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512291021r44684385ld15512d3a004bc95@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Wade,
>  Did you install the Real Player 8 in the synaptic pkg. mgr.?  I tried to
> install that one, and got an error message about bugs in it!  If you go to
> Firefox Central, you can download a copy of RealPlayer 10 Gold out of the
> plug-ins/add-ons page.  Download it to Desktop, open it and run the
> installer.  I've had trouble trying to run it a couple of times, but
> eventually got it!  It works great!  If it doesn't run for you the first
> time, keep trying!  Your Ubuntu system mgr. will tell you that it can't
> open/install/run it, but don't give up!
>  Diehl, James

or you can follow the instructions on how to install Realplayer from the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 18:22:44 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:22:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ubuntu and Pentium 630
In-Reply-To: <43B3AD3B.8010104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229182244.55530.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Ubuntu download (ship it) software site has the new 5.10 Breezy Badger for 64bit, that is supposed to work for either Intel or AMD PC's.  I run the 32bit myself on AMD 32 i386.  For Pentium processors, it's either i586, or i686 depending on the processor and MHz rating. Since the Pentium 64 works differently than the AMD, I understand that you can run either the 32 or 64, because the Pentium 64 takes the 64, breaks it into 32 for distribution on the motherboard, then sends it back out as 64.  This is what I have been told(I'm not swearing on a Bible for it!).  The AMD 64 is supposedly true 64 through the whole system!  If you run the new Windows 64 on a Pentium, there is a problem with running IE in 64 mode.  Plus, the internet is not really set up yet to handle the 64bit transmissions.  It's probably going to take some time for everybody to switch over to 64!

Jon Dixon <dixon.jon at gmail.com> wrote: Xiyan Lon wrote:
> Dear all,
> I have new pc with Pentium 630. I want to know, what kind of iso I must
> download to install in using this processor? I want to make dual boot
> with WinXP. Are there anyone have experience with this processor?
> 
> Xiyan Lon
> 

Hi Xiyan

I have a Pentium 4 650 CPU, and I use the AMD64 ISO.

However, not all things like 64-bit linux so for better compatibility
use the standard x86 ISO.

HTH,

Jon

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From uid000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 18:35:41 2005
From: uid000 at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:35:41 -0500
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
In-Reply-To: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42b9a27d0512282210u1250f549rf4dce868abaf0cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb4429d10512291035l12ab5737w8d0831f7f5782807@mail.gmail.com>

There are a number of pdf manipulation tools available in the
repositories that I came across the other day while solving a
different pdf-related problem.  I seem to remember one of them being
able to extract images from pdfs.  It might be useful for what you're
doing.  I'll check when I get home, and post what I find.

On 12/29/05, Santanu Chatterjee <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> In acrobat reader, when I copy a figure from a PDF file,
> it says that the image is copied to the clipboard. But
> how do I access that clipboard content. Is the gnome
> clipboard hidden or something (unlike the kde clipboard).
> Ctrl+v does not work.
>
> Regards,
> Santanu
>
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 18:37:11 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:37:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: how to copy graphics from PDF to a file
In-Reply-To: <98529bf40512290027v2bc7086cy44d6ee418b6d7be8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229183711.10000.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In Ubuntu, the Ctrl + V pastes the contents of the clipboard.  Look in your add applications menu, there should be a PDF Viewer program that you can add.  If not, look in the synaptic pkg. mgr. and see if it's listed there.  I don't remember if it's a GNOME or a KDE desktop program.  In add applications, it might be listed as other programs, depending on which Ubuntu you are using(5.04, 5.10, etc.....).
 Diehl, James

David Coldrick <coldrick at gmail.com> wrote:Works fine for me. There's a screwy - and very annoying - thing in Linux whereby the contents of the clipboard are not kept if you exit the application you copied them from, so Acrobat has to still be running when you do the paste. Is that your problem? 

Regards,
David


On 12/29/05, Santanu Chatterjee <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Everybody,

In acrobat reader, when I copy a figure from a PDF file,
it says that the image is copied to the clipboard. But 
how do I access that clipboard content. Is the gnome
clipboard hidden or something (unlike the kde clipboard).
Ctrl+v does not work.

Regards,
Santanu

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 18:40:31 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051229184031.54773.qmail@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Definitely!!!!
 Look in the synaptic pkg. mgr.! There should be a 3D desktop program listed there!  I haven't used it yet, but it's there! I believe it's in the graphics section (universe) I think!
 Diehl, James

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote: 
Cybe R. Wizard Wrote: 
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:42:13 GMT

> "scorpix"  wrote:

> 

> > 

> > Is it possible to have a 3D Desktop in Breezy ?

> > 

> I'm all updated to Breezy as of last night and, yes, 3ddesk works

> just fine.

> 

> Cybe R. Wizard

> -- 

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> A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 

> use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.

>   Winduhs

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Anyone having problems running 3ddesk on a mac?  Everytime i run the
command i only see a black screen.  Everything is installed properly
through apt-get but when i run the program i get a blank screen.  When
i just press left or right button, nothing shows but when i press enter
i'm on another screen.  This means that it works, but its just that i
can't see the 3d effect.  Anyone having the same problem?


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 18:44:36 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:44:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Kernel Sources
In-Reply-To: <43B39B71.7010006@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20051229184436.17969.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In the synaptic pkg. mgr. there is a list of headers that can be installed for each kernel available.  It will show to the right of the description what kernel it is for.  Switch your view in the mgr, to status, then check what it says on each of the tabs; (installed, dependency, etc..,.) and you should be able to install the right ones easily!
 Diehl, James

"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: Sasha Tsykin a écrit :
> Hey,
> If asked to install the kernel-source package, that means that the
> kernel-headers package should be installed as well, in Ubuntu as well as in
> many other distributions.
> Sasha
Hello,
Allright, and what for the available numbers that don't match ? do I 
have to go on the linux.org site to download the right source and 
headers or some other mirror somewhere ?
If someone knows the right answer, I'd like to succeed the compilations 
this time :)
Thanks, Joyce Markoll.


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From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 18:50:38 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:50:38 -0800
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <20051229184031.54773.qmail@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051229184031.54773.qmail@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512291050w57e341b6u423c8e5645b2d73e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Definitely!!!!
>  Look in the synaptic pkg. mgr.! There should be a 3D desktop program listed
> there!  I haven't used it yet, but it's there! I believe it's in the
> graphics section (universe) I think!
>  Diehl, James

Is it this one you are thinking of?
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/3ddesktop



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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 18:55:15 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:55:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <ape.20slja@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051229185515.30246.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I downloaded the database into the files necessary, but when I try to access them through my Office database project program,  it will lead me to the installed base, allow me to open the files and display any text documents.  When I try to run queries, make tables or forms, it says "Cannot access the database, database will initiate, the database drivers are possibly defective."  Then the program returns to the original page, asking me if I want to create a new database, or connect to an external base located on my network.  It's like, "Okay, I know it's there, but NO you can't use it, it's defective, now you have no choice but make one yourself."  I don't hardly think all of Oracles' drivers are bad, DUH!  So, either Open Office 2.0 has a problem, or there is a support issue with my Ubuntu for Oracle bases. 

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote: 
James,



Your question is a little unclear.  Are you having problems getting
the Oracle database installed or are you having a problem with oobase2
running the setup wizard to connect to your Oracle database?


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From j.markoll at free.fr  Thu Dec 29 19:07:27 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:07:27 +0100
Subject: Kernel Sources
In-Reply-To: <20051229184436.17969.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229184436.17969.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B433EF.8020703@free.fr>

Thanks James, but I advanced since (found answers other ways,
as couldn't grab the difference between the names 'kernel-sources' and
'linux-sources' at once).
If you find it, my following questions were in
> Message-ID: <43B3C704.9060502 at free.fr>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:22:44 +0100
> Re: Kernel Sources - Compiling KQemu with Qemu - more newbie questions -

Thanks anyhow, and best greetings.
Joyce Markoll.

James Diehl a écrit :
> In the synaptic pkg. mgr. there is a list of headers that can be installed for each kernel available.  It will show to the right of the description what kernel it is for.  Switch your view in the mgr, to status, then check what it says on each of the tabs; (installed, dependency, etc..,.) and you should be able to install the right ones easily!
>  Diehl, James
> 
> "J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote: Sasha Tsykin a écrit :
> 
>>Hey,
>>If asked to install the kernel-source package, that means that the
>>kernel-headers package should be installed as well, in Ubuntu as well as in
>>many other distributions.
>>Sasha
> 
> Hello,
> Allright, and what for the available numbers that don't match ? do I 
> have to go on the linux.org site to download the right source and 
> headers or some other mirror somewhere ?
> If someone knows the right answer, I'd like to succeed the compilations 
> this time :)
> Thanks, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 
> 


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 29 19:04:57 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:04:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512291050w57e341b6u423c8e5645b2d73e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051229190457.28634.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The one I saw was in the Ubuntu synaptic package manager in Systems/Administration drop down menu on the menu bar.  I don't remember if there was address for it, but it was listed as 3D desktop.  It showed the latest version available for installation.
 Diehl, James

Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote: On 12/29/05, James Diehl  wrote:
> Definitely!!!!
>  Look in the synaptic pkg. mgr.! There should be a 3D desktop program listed
> there!  I haven't used it yet, but it's there! I believe it's in the
> graphics section (universe) I think!
>  Diehl, James

Is it this one you are thinking of?
http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/3ddesktop



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From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Thu Dec 29 19:12:09 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (frank mccormick)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:12:09 -0500
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2005-29-12 at 10:19 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> On 12/29/05, frank mccormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> > manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> > skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> > around this ??
> 
> what is the error you get?
> 
> 
> --

Apt-get and/or the update manager just say two packages will be held
back and not upgraded. Even forcing them in Synaptic doesn't do it.




> 
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From pgort at iprimus.com.au  Thu Dec 29 19:38:08 2005
From: pgort at iprimus.com.au (Peter Gort)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:38:08 +1100
Subject: Mac On Linux
In-Reply-To: <20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
	<20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>

On 29/12/2005, at 19:37 , Peter Garrett wrote:
>  http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html

Hi Peter, thanks for the link.  It gave me some ideas anyway....

> startmol --osx --list
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>   Running kernel:         2.6.12-10-powerpc
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>   Available modules:
>     <none>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

So it would appear that mol doesn't think it's got kernel modules.

> peter at petespb:~$ uname -r
> 2.6.12-10-powerpc

OK that seems OK, so I tried insmod

> peter at petespb:~$ sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-powerpc/misc/ 
> mol.ko
> Password:

it exited with no feedback so I assume it's loaded, but to make sure  
I did this:

> peter at petespb:~$ modprobe -l mol
> /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-powerpc/misc/mol.ko

So it would appear that the module (which is 65k in the file system,  
I checked it exists) really is loaded.

There is a package at
/usr/src/mol-modules-2.6.12-10-powerpc_0.9.70+ubuntu0_powerpc.deb
which I ran at the appropriate time in the instructions.

So on one hand I have startmol saying it's got no modules, on the  
other hand I've got the kernel saying it loaded them.  Assuming I'm  
understanding this stuff correctly.  One thing that puzzles me and  
may be a clue, is that the web page above (which is no longer found  
as of this morning?) lists the kernel module's file name as mol.o  
where the file I have and the MacOnLinuxHowTo page has the file name  
as mol.ko

Anybody got any ideas?

Peter




From brymelvin at melvinart.com  Thu Dec 29 19:59:21 2005
From: brymelvin at melvinart.com (Bry Melvin)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:59:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <E1ErwSK-0005L4-V4@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <20051229195921.32066.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





> From: Marius Bock <marius.lists at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: How do I run a shell?
> To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 
>
<f2e056010512290225y2ae3f5bbs3acde8fc196ac2f0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Or just create a dir alias for ls ... and then you
> do not have to worry
> about anything else.
> 
> Marius
> 
> On 12/29/05, Bill Cairns <cairnsww at eskom.co.za>
> wrote:
> >
> > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the
> Eskom Holdings Limited
> > EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE
> >
> > which can be viewed at
> http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice
> >
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I create a folder bin under my home directory.
> >
> > I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of
> the file is simply one
> > line "ls".
> >
> > I add execute to the file properties.
> >
> > I type dir in the terminal window.
> >
> > In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.
> >
> > In Ubuntu I get "command not found".
> >
> > In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.
> >
> > Help!
> >
either an alias OR editing the path will work.

FWIW if you are going to add scripts for much or use
wine ~/bin in the path are necessary.

SuSE May not even have been using your /home/bin

Depending on the suse distro it HAS some built in
alias' On my Suse machine (and this has been Suse
since 7.3 with updates so I don't know which disto did
it) "dir" gives me an "ls -l" without me ever having
added any script...there's a distro included alias.


Bryann



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 20:18:53 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:18:53 -0500
Subject: Mac On Linux
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au><20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <trash.20tiva@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


you've probably already done this but i figured i'de post anyway since i
had exactly the same problem, a restart cured it for me.


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From fsunoles at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 20:22:39 2005
From: fsunoles at gmail.com (Gary Hodges)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:39 -0700
Subject: xanim
Message-ID: <75db45220512291222j1f70a22ch3de6108fb7040ac8@mail.gmail.com>

Kubuntu 510
Relatively new install...

With SuSE I made use of xanim regularly.  xanim doesn't seem to be
available from the repositories.  I've just grabbed the tar file for
xanim but I'm wondering if there is something new and shiny I should
try.  The use I need it for is animating a bunch of .jpg files.  For
example:

~>xanim *.jpg



From m at px0.de  Thu Dec 29 20:22:44 2005
From: m at px0.de (Maximilian Gerlach)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:22:44 +0100
Subject: Mac On Linux
In-Reply-To: <C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
	<20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <1286C5D8-B84D-4B72-AC54-EBC1D5C7723E@px0.de>

> Anybody got any ideas?
The last thing I know was that OS X.4 was unsupported by MOL.

Maybe someone should check the official homepage?!

Best regards,
Maxi




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 21:02:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:02:15 -0500
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost><e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <sabitha.20tlna@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


try with 

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ;)


-- 
sabitha



From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 21:22:56 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:56 -0800
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512291322w4b5808eaxa50beadec2368c24@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, frank mccormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-29-12 at 10:19 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > On 12/29/05, frank mccormick <fmccormick at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> > > manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> > > skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> > > around this ??
> >
> > what is the error you get?
> >
> >
> > --
>
> Apt-get and/or the update manager just say two packages will be held
> back and not upgraded. Even forcing them in Synaptic doesn't do it.

does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
beeing held back?
(and for which reason)?

--
Daniel Robitaille



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 21:24:07 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:24:07 -0500
Subject: external firewire audio card
References: <43214E56.1020107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gonalo.20tmkm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hey, I'm going to get a FA-66. I've been looking at this freebob
firewire driver and help test drive it.





http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page


-- 
gon�alo



From f.braennstroem at gmx.de  Thu Dec 29 21:14:00 2005
From: f.braennstroem at gmx.de (Fabian Braennstroem)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:14:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: octaviz package installation
Message-ID: <slrndr8kco.cfd.fab@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I am pretty new to ubuntu/breezy and might stay a little longer. It
seems to be a good alternative between archlinux and gentoo
:-)
Unfortunately, not every package I need is included, but
there are way more than in archlinux and compared to gentoo
I don't need to compile everything...

Right now, I am looking to install octaviz, which is a
visualization system for Octave. I found the  package in the
dapper repositorz, but just build for a powerpc
architecture.

Due to dependence problems and my different architecture
i386 I could not install it out of the box (libvtk4-dev (>=
4.4.2-8) was needed), so I build it from deb-source. For
that I changed the mentioned dependency in the control file
to 4.4.2-6. I build the package with 'dpkg-buildpackage'
and installed it with 'dpkg -i package.deb'. Everything went
fine, but when I start 'octave' and try to run the
octaviz-demo with 'test_pars' octave crashes.

Maybe, somebody has an idea!? 


Greetings, Fabian




From bassix at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 21:57:24 2005
From: bassix at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:57:24 -0500
Subject: Upgrade to Breezy from Hoary
Message-ID: <adbefcbf0512291357n1c079587sbb340730fbd956d1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I currently have a fully up-to-date Hoary system. I just received my
Ship-It Breezy CDs (because I'm on dialup) and want to dist-upgrade
using the CD. Will there be any problems due to my system now being a
completely up-to-date Hoary?

Another question... my Hoary system is now just Gnome, and I want to
have a Breezy KDE system. I am thinking of upgrading to the standard
Gnome/Breezy and then installing the current Kubuntu-desktop packages.
Is this the best thing to do? Or can I dist-upgrade my Hoary/Gnome
system directly to Breezy/KDE(Kubuntu-desktop)? Is that playing with
fire? :-)

Thanks for any pointers!

-Steve.



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Thu Dec 29 22:03:22 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:03:22 +0100
Subject: USB headsets : can't get the mic to work ...
In-Reply-To: <1135852225.8425.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135852225.8425.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135893803.8455.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 11:30 +0100, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
> That's where problems start... I launched the sound recorder to check if
> it could record my voice using the headset, and it doesn't work, nothing
> to be heard when I play back.
> 
> I tried with Dapper, and it's much the same in this regard.
> 
> Am I missing something obvious, or is USB headset support immature in
> Linux ?


Problem solved... just spent 3 hours chatting with a friend using
Gnome-meeting, works like a charm, what a fantastic program this is, I
am impressed !! :o)

--
Vince




From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Dec 29 22:29:23 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:29:23 +0000
Subject: Java Server Pages
Message-ID: <f64556f70512291429v6d4b9c75m4c157865e4d97cdb@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

apart from apache, what sort of things do i need to get JSP (java
server pages) working? (maybe, do i need to manually install tomcat on
top of apache?)

thanks,



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 22:29:25 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:29:25 -0500
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com><dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200512121029.11612.james@grayonline.id.au>
Message-ID: <gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Anyone able to view any of these videos in Hoary or Breezy?-
http://www.muzikmedia.com/videotop.aspx


-- 
gangalee



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Thu Dec 29 22:54:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:52 -0500
Subject: No sound, First install, VIA VT8233 motherboard
References: <20041028135035.7511.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
	<41812CE9.9010201@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cvmostert.20tq9y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hi there, just want to say, i got another motherboard and also have the
exact same via onboard sound... anyone got it working yet?

will try and play with irq's a bit reluctant though...


-- 
cvmostert



From wade at wadesmart.com  Thu Dec 29 23:13:55 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:13:55 -0600
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com><dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>	<200512121029.11612.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43B46DB3.4030408@wadesmart.com>

12292005 1713 GMT-5

I have mplayer installed. If I temporarly allow javascript, a second 
window opens and it does start to play.

Wade


'Forum Post wrote:

>Anyone able to view any of these videos in Hoary or Breezy?-
>http://www.muzikmedia.com/videotop.aspx
>
>
>  
>



From cb at lim.nl  Thu Dec 29 23:23:33 2005
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:23:33 -0800
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com
	was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYourBox?
In-Reply-To: <13718.213.237.42.134.1135854643.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
References: <7812.64.132.141.21.1133400480.squirrel@webmail.matheteuo.org>
	<28705.213.237.42.134.1135714223.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512271628p7a74a96eifa7d60b1fb82c58d@mail.gmail.com>
	<10451.213.237.42.134.1135771909.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512280935n429d5ca9x64e0c89123870dfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<11427.213.237.42.134.1135813905.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512281743h31c9b6a5ic4f61ddb5b32aaf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<13259.213.237.42.134.1135821475.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<aec9371b0512282219g2b604194kaaa14e2deb965216@mail.gmail.com>
	<13718.213.237.42.134.1135854643.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
Message-ID: <aec9371b0512291523s5dd3df22oe36b83bd2f208d77@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/29/05, Phillip Sc. Boegh <psb at ipl.dtu.dk> wrote:

> > According to Device Manager:  82801 DB/DBL/DMM AC'97
>
> OK - it is not easy. When I googled I found zero either with Linux nor
> Ubuntu setups. That is extraordinaer seldom. I had the same AC'97, and
> just got an external soundcard for other reasons. So I did never find out
> if Ubuntu supported it.


Well, I can confirm that Ubuntu does support it, but I am assuming it does
not have a hardware mixer, hence the problems getting non-ALSA compliant
software like Gizmo Project to play well with others.
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 23:27:21 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:27:21 -0800
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512291322w4b5808eaxa50beadec2368c24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291322w4b5808eaxa50beadec2368c24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512291527g6e9cb8d2n692849ce1ad9de35@mail.gmail.com>

> > > > The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> > > > manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> > > > skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> > > > around this ??
> > >
> > > what is the error you get?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > Apt-get and/or the update manager just say two packages will be held
> > back and not upgraded. Even forcing them in Synaptic doesn't do it.
>
> does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
> beeing held back?
> (and for which reason)?


For the record, I'm now getting the same problem while trying to
upgrade from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10.  Probably the best is to wait a few
hours to see if the problem goes away from the current state of the
Dapper archive.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From albi at scii.nl  Thu Dec 29 23:43:52 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:43:52 +0100
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <43B46DB3.4030408@wadesmart.com>
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200512121029.11612.james@grayonline.id.au>
	<gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<43B46DB3.4030408@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051230004352.d5471d60.albi@scii.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:13:55 -0600
Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:

> 12292005 1713 GMT-5
> 
> I have mplayer installed. If I temporarly allow javascript, a second 
> window opens and it does start to play.
> 
> Wade
> 
> 
> 'Forum Post wrote:
> 
> >Anyone able to view any of these videos in Hoary or Breezy?-
> >http://www.muzikmedia.com/videotop.aspx

for me it also plays fine in breezy with the
mplayer-586,mozilla-mplayer, mplayer-fonts from universe/multiverse 
and the codecs manually installed from the mplayer-website :

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca  Thu Dec 29 23:46:01 2005
From: ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca (Ryan Thompson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:01 -0400
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
Message-ID: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I got an Ubuntu Update and now can't boot Windows on startup.  Tried
looking up the menu.lst and its backup but I can't find any reference to
my previous settings.  Can anyone help?




From albi at scii.nl  Thu Dec 29 23:56:03 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:56:03 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:01 -0400
Ryan Thompson <ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I got an Ubuntu Update and now can't boot Windows on startup.  Tried
> looking up the menu.lst and its backup but I can't find any reference
> to my previous settings.  Can anyone help?

/boot/grub/menu.lst normally has 1 example for booting MS-Windows

if you know what partition your MS-Windows was using it's not so hard
to make a new entry and run "sudo update-grub" in a terminal

(0,0) = first disc, first partition
(1,1) = second disc, second partition
so, /dev/hda3 == (0,2) in grub etc.

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From radsky at ncia.net  Thu Dec 29 18:35:51 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:35:51 -0500
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
Message-ID: <1135881351.12702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

For several years, I've been using aliases like the following in all
the linuxes that I've used.

alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'
--color=auto'
alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'

These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.

I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because of 
sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or without sudo.

In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+  or xpa- and I have
access to Windows or in similar fashion,  can access other Linuxes.
For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross access them
except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo disabled)

If try executing by typing them directly and executing in terminal mode,
I still have to modify them by adding sudo to each section like this

alias xpa+='sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 mount /da1; sudo cd /mnt/da1;
sudo ls -aF --color=auto'
alias xpa-='sudo cd; sudo umount -l /mnt/da1'

They still don't work if I use this form in /root/.bashrc.

I could disable sudo but for this one ubuntu, I prefer not to.

Alas, What to do?  

alex




















From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 30 00:05:04 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:05:04 +1300
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512291527g6e9cb8d2n692849ce1ad9de35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291322w4b5808eaxa50beadec2368c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<e453abbe0512291527g6e9cb8d2n692849ce1ad9de35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135901104.11092.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 15:27 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > > > > The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> > > > > manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> > > > > skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> > > > > around this ??
> > > >
> > > > what is the error you get?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > Apt-get and/or the update manager just say two packages will be held
> > > back and not upgraded. Even forcing them in Synaptic doesn't do it.
> >
> > does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
> > beeing held back?
> > (and for which reason)?
> 
Three packages are held back in Kununtu, and 2 in Ubuntu.  They are:
linux-image-386
linux-restricted-modules-386
k3b (Kubuntu)

The latest release of linux-image-386 (version 2.6.15.8) depends on
linux-image-2.6.15-10-386, but that package is not installable
(apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.15-10-386 finds no package)

Similarly, linux-restricted-modules-386 version 2.6.15.8
 depends on
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-10-386, but the upgrade installed an
older version (linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-9-386).

It appears that the repository (or at least the mirror I use) doesn't
have the 2.6.15-10 linux packages (for i386 architecture at least).

I haven't checked what the issue is with k3b.

> 
> For the record, I'm now getting the same problem while trying to
> upgrade from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10.  Probably the best is to wait a few
> hours to see if the problem goes away from the current state of the
> Dapper archive.
> 
> 
> --
> Daniel Robitaille
> 




From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 00:09:32 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:09:32 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B47ABC.8090309@free.fr>

Ryan Thompson a écrit :
> I got an Ubuntu Update and now can't boot Windows on startup.  Tried
> looking up the menu.lst and its backup but I can't find any reference to
> my previous settings.  Can anyone help?
You can put the actual content on http://pastebin.com and also an output
of 'sudo cfdisk /dev/hda' (arrows to move and go on 'quit' without 
touching inside, for sure). Then send the url of pastebin.
But before that, just check that there is a line 'chainloader +1' at the 
end of menu.lst (at the end of the block of text concerning Windows).
Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 00:18:34 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:18:34 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>
References: <1135899961.7871.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <43B47CDA.6040304@free.fr>

albi a écrit :
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:01 -0400
> Ryan Thompson <ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>I got an Ubuntu Update and now can't boot Windows on startup.  Tried
>>looking up the menu.lst and its backup but I can't find any reference
>>to my previous settings.  Can anyone help? 
> /boot/grub/menu.lst normally has 1 example for booting MS-Windows

> if you know what partition your MS-Windows was using it's not so hard
> to make a new entry
Until there, I agree.

> and run "sudo update-grub" in a terminal
This is of no use. I've changed my /boot/grub/menu.lst many times on 
sereral distributions, and never done that.

It's just necessary to do 'sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' and save once 
finished editing the file.

> (0,0) = first disc, first partition
> (1,1) = second disc, second partition
> so, /dev/hda3 == (0,2) in grub etc.

title           Windows
root            (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader     +1

Have to copy the exemple and erase the '#' that comment.
Best... Joyce Markoll.


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From gcarzino at tiscali.it  Fri Dec 30 00:53:24 2005
From: gcarzino at tiscali.it (Gian Piero Carzino)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:53:24 +0100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
In-Reply-To: <E1Erk4p-0001xC-Ga@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Erk4p-0001xC-Ga@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B48504.2090106@tiscali.it>

>>>Just one doubt: why do you mention an RPM? Breezy has all the needed
>>>fglrx packages indeb format:
>>>
>>>$ dpkg -l | grep fgl
>>>ii  fglrx-control                        8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Control
>>>   panel for the ATI graphics accelerat
>>>ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                     6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1
>>>   Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
>>>ii  xorg-driver-fglrx-dev              6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu16.1 Video
>>>driver for ATI graphics accelerators
> 
(snip)
> Does this mean that you uninstalled GLcore, glx and int10?
> If not, what does unload mean?

I mean I commented out (# on first column) the lines:
 Load "GLcore"
 Load "glx"
 Load "int10"
in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf

> Do you have your screen running at native resolution? (1280 X 800, right?)

Yes

> Do you have 3D acceleration with the fglrx driver?

NO. I have no 3D acceleration (The package description says it provides
hardware OpenGL; maybe I was too conservative unloading also glx, but
the ATI driver continued to refuse to load, so when I found a
combination that worked, I stopped trying).

> The download I tried from ATI had an Ubuntu option but I couldn't get it to
> work.

Well, as Filipe Bonjour has suggested, it's far better to use the
packages from the Ubuntu repositories: they can be installed with no
harm with Synaptic (simply check that "restricted" is included in the
repository list).
I installed:
fglrx-control
and
xorg-driver-fglrx
then
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
(remember to choose fglrx as driver, then select resolution 1280x800 and
unselect the default ones)
then commented out in the xorg.conf just generated the lines indicated above

> I am still at a beginner level but would like to have my HP ZV6270US display
> working properly.
> 
> Are you using the AMD 64bit kernel?

Yes

> Thanks,
> Bradley
> 

Bye

-- 
Gian Piero Carzino
<gcarzino at tiscali.it>



From lcacciari at altern.org  Fri Dec 30 01:28:12 2005
From: lcacciari at altern.org (Leo Cacciari)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:28:12 +0100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135881351.12702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135881351.12702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135906092.9124.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
> For several years, I've been using aliases like the following in all
> the linuxes that I've used.
> 
> alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'
> --color=auto'
> alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
> 
> These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
> 
> I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because of 
> sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or without sudo.
> 
> In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+  or xpa- and I have
> access to Windows or in similar fashion,  can access other Linuxes.
> For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross access them
> except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo disabled)

Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could simply ignore
the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root using 'su'.
Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user aliases
(/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you must change
your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that for multiple
commands (such as the above examples) you must either add sudo in front
of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 

alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
                        cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"

Hope that helps


-- 
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 01:47:21 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:47:21 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135906092.9124.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135881351.12702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135906092.9124.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135907241.11114.74.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
> > For several years, I've been using aliases like the following in all
> > the linuxes that I've used.
> > 
> > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'
> > --color=auto'
> > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
> > 
> > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
> > 
> > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because of 
> > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or without sudo.
> > 
> > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+  or xpa- and I have
> > access to Windows or in similar fashion,  can access other Linuxes.
> > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross access them
> > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo disabled)
> 
> Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could simply ignore
> the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root using 'su'.
> Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user aliases
> (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you must change
> your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that for multiple
> commands (such as the above examples) you must either add sudo in front
> of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
> 
> alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>                         cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"

          quotes are backwards              ^^^^^


I think

Vram


> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 01:55:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:55:19 -0500
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
References: <20050513164213.21388.qmail@gawab.com><20050513165822.449d191e@localhost.localdomain><evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<20051229092248.1acf72f9@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <evilfoo.20tyly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Cybe R. Wizard Wrote: 
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:26:04 -0500

> 'Forum Post

> <ulist (AT) gs1 (DOT) ubuntuforums.org>,	'@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com
> wrote:

> 

> > Anyone having problems running 3ddesk on a mac?  Everytime i run the

> > command i only see a black screen.  Everything is installed properly

> > through apt-get but when i run the program i get a blank screen. 
> When

> > i just press left or right button, nothing shows but when i press

> > enter

> > i'm on another screen.  This means that it works, but its just that
> i

> > can't see the 3d effect.  Anyone having the same problem?

> 

> Try running 3ddeskd first:

> <sudo 3ddeskd>

> <your password>

> 

> and follow that with 3ddesk as <user>

> 

> I don't know Jack about Macs but this might be the key.

> 

> Cybe R. Wizard

> -- 

> Here cash is all powerful, the idol placed highest, whether one sweat,

> thieve, grind others down, or scheme for it.

> 	Fafhrd, Fritz Leiber's "Ill Met In Lankhmar"

> 

> -- 

> ubuntu-users mailing list

> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com

> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users



I tried that too but i still see the black screen.  I think there's
something wrong with the 3D Accel.  I can't even play any of the 3D
games.  Anybody has this working on ATI Radeon 9200 graphics card?


-- 
evilfoo



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 30 01:47:50 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:47:50 -0400
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
References: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with
> my Ubuntu 5.10. I wrote a simeple jsp file and loaded but is simply
> showed me the code itself.
> 
> I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
> instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.
> 
> But JSP still doesn't work.
> 
> Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5? 

Yes.

> Then, would there 
> somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?

Debian.  I get mine from Sid, since Ubuntu still doesn't see fit to include
it.  
-- 
derek




From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 02:11:44 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:11:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135907241.11114.74.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or korn.
 If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe), that uses the best attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger bash or korn kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal with the smaller Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I entering.
 Diehl, James

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
> > For several years, I've been using aliases like the following in all
> > the linuxes that I've used.
> > 
> > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'
> > --color=auto'
> > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
> > 
> > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
> > 
> > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because of 
> > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or without sudo.
> > 
> > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+  or xpa- and I have
> > access to Windows or in similar fashion,  can access other Linuxes.
> > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross access them
> > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo disabled)
> 
> Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could simply ignore
> the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root using 'su'.
> Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user aliases
> (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you must change
> your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that for multiple
> commands (such as the above examples) you must either add sudo in front
> of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
> 
> alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>                         cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"

          quotes are backwards              ^^^^^


I think

Vram


> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 


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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 02:23:03 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:23:03 +0100
Subject: 3D Desktop in Breezy?
In-Reply-To: <evilfoo.20tyly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <20050513164213.21388.qmail@gawab.com><20050513165822.449d191e@localhost.localdomain><evilfoo.20smgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>	<20051229092248.1acf72f9@localhost.localdomain>
	<evilfoo.20tyly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43B49A07.3040203@free.fr>

> I tried that too but i still see the black screen.  I think there's
> something wrong with the 3D Accel.  I can't even play any of the 3D
> games.  Anybody has this working on ATI Radeon 9200 graphics card?
I've got ATI Radeon 9200 SE graphic card, and no problem, not even added
a pilot (required fglrx but starting from the ATI Radeon 9500). But it's 
mounted whith a Asus card, and VIA KT700 chipset on AMD Athlon 
processor, not on Mac.
I play a few games meant for small kids. Frozen-bubble, ppracer (former 
tuxracer) pingus, and others.
Best greetings, J.Markoll.

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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 02:26:21 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:26:21 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:11 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or
> korn.
> If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell
> to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe), that uses the best
> attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger bash or korn
> kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal with the smaller
> Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I entering.
> Diehl, James
> 



I don't see a shell called Ubuntu

Where is it???


Vram













> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:














>         On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
>         > Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
>         > > For several years, I've been using aliases like the
>         following in all
>         > > the linuxes that I've used.
>         > > 
>         > > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1;
>         ls -aF'
>         > > --color=auto'
>         > > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
>         > > 
>         > > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
>         > > 
>         > > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because
>         of 
>         > > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or
>         without sudo.
>         > > 
>         > > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+ or
>         xpa- and I have
>         > > access to Windows or in similar fashion, can access other
>         Linuxes.
>         > > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross
>         access them
>         > > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo
>         disabled)
>         > 
>         > Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could
>         simply ignore
>         > the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root
>         using 'su'.
>         > Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user
>         aliases
>         > (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you
>         must change
>         > your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that
>         for multiple
>         > commands (such as the above examples) you must either add
>         sudo in front
>         > of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
>         > 
>         > alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>         > cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"
>         
>         quotes are backwards ^^^^^
>         
>         
>         I think
>         
>         Vram
>         
>         
>         > 
>         > Hope that helps
>         > 
>         > 
>         
>         
>         -- 
>         ubuntu-users mailing list
>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> 
> 
> 




From asif.lodhi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 02:25:14 2005
From: asif.lodhi at gmail.com (Asif Lodhi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:25:14 +0500
Subject: ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 359
In-Reply-To: <E1Es6H7-0001gc-Al@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1Es6H7-0001gc-Al@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B49A8A.7000605@gmail.com>

Hi Soo,

Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:29:23 +0000
> From: Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Java Server Pages
> 
> apart from apache, what sort of things do i need to get JSP (java
> server pages) working? (maybe, do i need to manually install tomcat on
> top of apache?)

Yes.  Apache is a web server and it doesn't come with a built-in Servlet container.  You have to install tomcat (the container you need to run your JSP).  I would suggest that you download-n-install the Sun Java Studio Enterprise 8.0 from java.sun.com.  That will help you a _lot_.

--
Best regards,

Asif





From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 02:32:08 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:32:08 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135909929.11114.86.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:11 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or
> korn.
> If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell
> to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe), that uses the best
> attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger bash or korn
> kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal with the smaller
> Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I entering.
> Diehl, James



OK


Spoke too soon...

It looks like dash is the default shell

Closest to korn...

I can't remember when I installed last..
If dash was an option..




Sorry..

Part of man page.



NAME
     sh - command interpreter (shell)

SYNOPSIS
     sh [-aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [+aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [-o option_name]
        [+o option_name] [command_file [argument ...]]
     sh -c [-aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [+aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [-o option_name]
        [+o option_name] command_string [command_name [argument ...]]
     sh -s [-aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [+aCefnuvxIimqVEb] [-o option_name]
        [+o option_name] [argument ...]

DESCRIPTION
     sh is the standard command interpreter for the system.  The current
version of sh is in the process of being changed to conform with the
POSIX  1003.2 and 1003.2a specifications for the shell.  This version
has many      features which make it appear similar in some respects to
the Korn shell,   but it is not a Korn shell clone (see ksh(1)).  Only
features designated      by POSIX, plus a few Berkeley extensions, are
being incorporated into      this shell.  We expect POSIX conformance by
the time 4.4 BSD is released.      This man page is not intended to be a
tutorial or a complete specification of the shell.












Vram









> 
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
>         > Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
>         > > For several years, I've been using aliases like the
>         following in all
>         > > the linuxes that I've used.
>         > > 
>         > > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1;
>         ls -aF'
>         > > --color=auto'
>         > > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
>         > > 
>         > > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
>         > > 
>         > > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because
>         of 
>         > > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or
>         without sudo.
>         > > 
>         > > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+ or
>         xpa- and I have
>         > > access to Windows or in similar fashion, can access other
>         Linuxes.
>         > > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross
>         access them
>         > > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo
>         disabled)
>         > 
>         > Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could
>         simply ignore
>         > the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root
>         using 'su'.
>         > Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user
>         aliases
>         > (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you
>         must change
>         > your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that
>         for multiple
>         > commands (such as the above examples) you must either add
>         sudo in front
>         > of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
>         > 
>         > alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>         > cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"
>         
>         quotes are backwards ^^^^^
>         
>         
>         I think
>         
>         Vram
>         
>         
>         > 
>         > Hope that helps
>         > 
>         > 
>         
>         
>         -- 
>         ubuntu-users mailing list
>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> 
> 
> 




From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 02:28:55 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051230022855.91150.qmail@web81812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is another Java for the Epiphany and Firefox browser set.  Java Web Start 1.4.  Look in your applications menu under accessories or internet.  It should be there!  It installs into your Firefox browser!  Then go to Firefox central, add-ons or plug-ins(I forget which), and look for the Developers Toolbar for Firefox.  It works with 1.0 - 2.0 I believe!  It adds another toolbar to your browser page, so you can View Sources, Resize, Outline, etc...  I have it on my 2.0, and it works pretty good!  You can design your own web pages(from blank) and many other things.
 Diehl, James

Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with
> my Ubuntu 5.10. I wrote a simeple jsp file and loaded but is simply
> showed me the code itself.
> 
> I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
> instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.
> 
> But JSP still doesn't work.
> 
> Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5? 

Yes.

> Then, would there 
> somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?

Debian.  I get mine from Sid, since Ubuntu still doesn't see fit to include
it.  
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 02:34:17 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:34:17 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230021144.43498.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135910057.11114.88.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:11 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or
> korn.
> If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell
> to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe),

Which is BASH!!!!

>  that uses the best attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger
> bash or korn kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal
> with the smaller Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I
> entering.
> Diehl, James



Vram






From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 30 01:54:57 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:54:57 -0400
Subject: Databases
References: <20051229041028.76260.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <hkge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

James Diehl wrote:

>  Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?

Yes.

>  My Open Office 2.0 
>  says that I can.  It lists the different types of databases that can be
>  accessed on a network.  If I download a base, the program can locate it
>  on my PC and let me open the files and display the contents.  

I'm not at all sure though that OO is telling you you can run Oracle on your
system - just that you can connect to an Oracle database.  In any case, it
can be done.

I've run both Oracle 8i and 10g on my Ubuntu system (never got 9i to work). 
There's a few quirks, and the current version of 10g refuses to install
because I don't have enough memory.  I wish it would let me ignore those
things...  It's not like I need an Enterprise-ready db on my laptop, it's
just a testing platform.

>  It reports 
>  that the drivers for the base are all defective, and won't let the
>  installers run.  Is there a trick to making them work?  If not, is it
>  because of the Debian?  

I can't understand your question.  Just google for "Linux Oracle 10g" and
you should find a couple of reliable how-tos.

The first time I did the 10g install, I had to lie and tell it that I had a
RedHat system.  The last time I found a workaround for that.
-- 
derek




From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 02:32:20 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:32:20 +0800
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <43B3AAC4.7090201@free.fr>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fm283-4hp.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
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Don't get me wrong, Joyce: Ubuntu is the first (and thus far only) Linux
distribution that's remained on my hard drive for longer than a week.
Indeed it has, since Hoary, been installed (albeit not often used) and not
removed.  Even with this latest batch of ugliness, it's unlikely that Ubuntu
will get removed.  It will just be sidelined for some projects as the tools
just aren't quite there yet.

With Breezy, a few things finally came up that could make Ubuntu useful to
me.  (My computer-illiterate wife needs a computer that can work reliably
and easily in Chinese while I need one that works reliably and easily in
English.  It's astonishingly difficult to find a Linux setup in which this
works.)  As a result I've started using it more and, naturally, moved a lot
of my work over to Breezy -- only to find a few... warts.  Having Zope fail
out of the box was a real shocker considering how easily it worked under
Windows.  Getting Zope 2.8 working, however, has moved things along.

Here's hoping that by this time next year there won't be any Windows space
on my computer except for a smallish partition used to play some games.
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From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec 30 02:39:54 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:39:54 +0100
Subject: xanim
In-Reply-To: <75db45220512291222j1f70a22ch3de6108fb7040ac8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <75db45220512291222j1f70a22ch3de6108fb7040ac8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051230033954.8a15e689.albi@scii.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:39 -0700
Gary Hodges <fsunoles at gmail.com> wrote:

> With SuSE I made use of xanim regularly.  xanim doesn't seem to be
> available from the repositories.  I've just grabbed the tar file for
> xanim but I'm wondering if there is something new and shiny I should
> try.  The use I need it for is animating a bunch of .jpg files.  For
> example:
> 
> ~>xanim *.jpg

well, debian doesn't have it anymore and http://www.apt-get.org and
http://www.backports.org also don't, so you might want to compile it
yourself : http://xanim.polter.net/

-- 
grtjs, albi
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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 02:41:19 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:41:19 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> the deal?
>

Yes, James, people don't use Debian because they're too stupid.  And what a
way to win converts to Debian!

Where's the eye-rolling smiley when you need it?
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From mikus at bga.com  Fri Dec 30 00:01:15 2005
From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:15 -0600
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:56 -0800 Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
> beeing held back?
> (and for which reason)?

I haven't used apt-get on Ubuntu (so far, Synaptic has been
"good enough" for me), but on another Linux distribution
I use, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' *does* list the names of the
packages which have been held back.

I then manually type in 'apt-get -s install package_name'
and it tells me the reason why that package is being held back.


[By the way, if I anticipate problems fetching ALL the packages
 that aren't held back, I will use the '-m' option flag with
 apt-get -- that tells apt-get to go ahead (in this case, with
 the install) even if it fetched only part of what it wanted.]

mikus




From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec 30 02:42:59 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:42:59 +0100
Subject: xanim
In-Reply-To: <20051230033954.8a15e689.albi@scii.nl>
References: <75db45220512291222j1f70a22ch3de6108fb7040ac8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230033954.8a15e689.albi@scii.nl>
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:39:54 +0100
albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:

> well, debian doesn't have it anymore and http://www.apt-get.org and
> http://www.backports.org also don't, so you might want to compile it
> yourself : http://xanim.polter.net/

ah, of course you could grab the xanim-binary from suse-linux and see
whether converting it into deb-format with "alien" gives you a working
xanim (there might be some library-issue, but it's perhaps easier than
compiling xanim)

-- 
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 02:45:01 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:45:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and Ubuntu, and they both constantly fought for control of the system board and CPU.  Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows program at all!  The binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus the Debian format, that it took control of my system and locked Windows out completely.  My processor won't even recognize the Windows program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and didn't look back.  But now, I have to build a new system with Windows on it!  I thought I had Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make a backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy!

albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:01 -0400
Ryan Thompson  wrote:

> I got an Ubuntu Update and now can't boot Windows on startup.  Tried
> looking up the menu.lst and its backup but I can't find any reference
> to my previous settings.  Can anyone help?

/boot/grub/menu.lst normally has 1 example for booting MS-Windows

if you know what partition your MS-Windows was using it's not so hard
to make a new entry and run "sudo update-grub" in a terminal

(0,0) = first disc, first partition
(1,1) = second disc, second partition
so, /dev/hda3 == (0,2) in grub etc.

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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 30 02:52:05 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:52:05 -0600
Subject: a little samba help
Message-ID: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>

12292005 2044 GMT-5

I have been reading about getting samba installed.
Im reading 
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-samba-server
at ubuntu about getting it up and running.

I am in need of a  little clarification.

On number 3 under samba it says,
    Add network user:
    smbpasswd - a system_username
    sudo gedit /etc/samba/subusers

Ok. Add network user. What group does this go in - admin?
And what type of user does it mean - something like "smbuser"?
and what about the password? Do I just put something in there?

Im sure Ill have lots more questions but this is really not that clear 
to me.

Wade



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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 02:54:28 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:54:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230025428.17538.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In the synaptic pkg mgr..  It lists the items that are installed, if you click status.  The shell that Ubuntu normally uses is small, like 0.50.11 or something like that.  They also list a Bourne Again, Korn and Dash, Bash, something like that too.  The Bourne Again is like 3.05, the Korn is 5. something, and the other is like  6-7.  In the description tab, it says that the Bash is what most users prefer to use, but the Bourne Again is from Berkely I think, and is a kind of happy medium.  Ubuntu says the small one that they use is less prone for breakage when loading a new kernel, patching, or updating.  It doesn't give you much room for expansion though!

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:11 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or
> korn.
> If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell
> to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe), that uses the best
> attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger bash or korn
> kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal with the smaller
> Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I entering.
> Diehl, James
> 



I don't see a shell called Ubuntu

Where is it???


Vram













> Vram  wrote:














>         On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
>         > Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
>         > > For several years, I've been using aliases like the
>         following in all
>         > > the linuxes that I've used.
>         > > 
>         > > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1;
>         ls -aF'
>         > > --color=auto'
>         > > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
>         > > 
>         > > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
>         > > 
>         > > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because
>         of 
>         > > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or
>         without sudo.
>         > > 
>         > > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+ or
>         xpa- and I have
>         > > access to Windows or in similar fashion, can access other
>         Linuxes.
>         > > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross
>         access them
>         > > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo
>         disabled)
>         > 
>         > Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could
>         simply ignore
>         > the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root
>         using 'su'.
>         > Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user
>         aliases
>         > (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you
>         must change
>         > your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that
>         for multiple
>         > commands (such as the above examples) you must either add
>         sudo in front
>         > of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
>         > 
>         > alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>         > cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"
>         
>         quotes are backwards ^^^^^
>         
>         
>         I think
>         
>         Vram
>         
>         
>         > 
>         > Hope that helps
>         > 
>         > 
>         
>         
>         -- 
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>         ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>         http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 02:54:53 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:54:53 +0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>
	<20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and Ubuntu,
> and they both constantly fought for control of the system board and CPU.
> Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows program at all!  The
> binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus the Debian format, that it
> took control of my system and locked Windows out completely.  My processor
> won't even recognize the Windows program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and
> didn't look back.  But now, I have to build a new system with Windows on
> it!  I thought I had Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make
> a backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating
> system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy!
>

What are you talking about?

I'm running multi-boot with various operating systems -- including Ubuntu
*AND* Windows XP.  There's been no issue (other than an embarrassing one
when I changed some partitions around and forgot to tell GRUB -- but that's
another story for a heavy drinking day).  The part with your "processor
won't even recognise the Windows program" because of something the "Debian
format" did is purest gibberish.  It scans well.  It is well-formed in terms
of syntax.  But its semantics are completely incoherent.  Can you try
rewording it?
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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 03:02:08 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:02:08 +0100
Subject: Zope problems
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Michael Richter a écrit :
> Don't get me wrong, Joyce: Ubuntu is the first (and thus far only) Linux
> distribution that's remained on my hard drive for longer than a week.
> Indeed it has, since Hoary, been installed (albeit not often used) and not
> removed.  Even with this latest batch of ugliness, it's unlikely that Ubuntu
> will get removed.  It will just be sidelined for some projects as the tools
> just aren't quite there yet.
> 
> With Breezy, a few things finally came up that could make Ubuntu useful to
> me.  (My computer-illiterate wife needs a computer that can work reliably
> and easily in Chinese while I need one that works reliably and easily in
> English.  It's astonishingly difficult to find a Linux setup in which this
> works.)  As a result I've started using it more and, naturally, moved a lot
> of my work over to Breezy -- only to find a few... warts.  Having Zope fail
> out of the box was a real shocker considering how easily it worked under
> Windows.  Getting Zope 2.8 working, however, has moved things along.
> 
> Here's hoping that by this time next year there won't be any Windows space
> on my computer except for a smallish partition used to play some games.
I just wanted to point out as well for you as for the people reading on 
this list from all over the world, that such a young distribution can 
present a few defects, and still not deserve to be put down. You can 
notice we still have a very very good product, can learn from it at same 
time we use, and helps greatly the migration.
I started under another distro and got many difficulties when I started 
to wish to install newer applications, because of the dependancies (I 
kept it three months and a geek had pity on me and helped me install 
Debian testing, that I kept again a few months). Now I run multiboot 
with three OS'es, and learn more and more, little by little.
Let's also remember computing itself is a very young topic: less than 
100 years old yet.
Best greetings, J.Markoll.


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 02:59:24 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051230025924.75169.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It makes me wonder Michael!  I don't fully understand the Debian concepts, but just because it's different, it doesn't mean that it's no good!  There are several sites dedicated to Debian, and a whole lot of developers stake their reputation on it, because it's different.  They can't all be wrong!  It sure causes some kind of discrimination though!
 Diehl, James

Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote: What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's the deal?
 
Yes, James, people don't use Debian because they're too stupid.  And what a way to win converts to Debian!

Where's the eye-rolling smiley when you need it?


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From mscottaline at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 02:59:27 2005
From: mscottaline at gmail.com (Michael Scottaline)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:59:27 -0500
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135911567.4117.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:45 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and
> Ubuntu, and they both constantly fought for control of the system
> board and CPU.  Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows
> program at all!  The binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus
> the Debian format, that it took control of my system and locked
> Windows out completely.  My processor won't even recognize the Windows
> program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and didn't look back.  
===============================
Well there you have it!!  It's a "feature" NOT a "bug"!!  ;-)
Best,
Michael

-- 
"The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age
brings wisdom." 
-H. L. Mencken




From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 03:04:10 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:04:10 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>	<20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <43B4A3AA.7030700@free.fr>

Michael Richter a écrit :
>>What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
>>the deal?
> Yes, James, people don't use Debian because they're too stupid.  And what a
> way to win converts to Debian!

> Where's the eye-rolling smiley when you need it?
lol
This way:
:roll: or :rolleyes!:  :)

Joyce Markoll.


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From mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org  Fri Dec 30 02:57:07 2005
From: mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:57:07 +0000
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <LjHtDlW2vDqZ092yn@daina.bga.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 06:01:15PM -0600, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:

> I haven't used apt-get on Ubuntu (so far, Synaptic has been
> "good enough" for me), but on another Linux distribution
> I use, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' *does* list the names of the
> packages which have been held back.

The kernel has had an ABI bump, which means it generates new binary 
packages. These need to be cleared through the NEW queue, but the person 
who does that is on holiday until the end of the week. Things should 
start working again in a few days.

-- 
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From robitaille at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 03:05:52 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:05:52 -0800
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <LjHtDlW2vDqZ092yn@daina.bga.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291322w4b5808eaxa50beadec2368c24@mail.gmail.com>
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> > does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
> > beeing held back?
> > (and for which reason)?
>
> I haven't used apt-get on Ubuntu (so far, Synaptic has been
> "good enough" for me), but on another Linux distribution
> I use, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' *does* list the names of the
> packages which have been held back.
>
> I then manually type in 'apt-get -s install package_name'
> and it tells me the reason why that package is being held back.

this time around it's  pretty simple like someone else previously
described:  the latest linux-image-386 (and 686) is pointing to the
2.6.15-10 kernel, but it is not available in  the archive site, only
2.6.15-8 is there right now.  I'm not sure where the 2.6.15-9 I
currently have on my dapper installation comes from...


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 03:05:56 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:05:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: a little samba help
In-Reply-To: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051230030556.68922.qmail@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Probably like some of the other codes, you have to enter them in Terminal as part of the ./usr/samba bin.  You will have to set up a user password in terminal for root as samba user.  If you need help with the code, the gnome terminal --help can be helpful.

Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:           12292005 2044 GMT-5
 
 I have been reading about getting samba installed. 
 Im reading http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-samba-server
 at ubuntu about getting it up and running. 
 
 I am in need of a  little clarification. 
 
 On number 3 under samba it says, 
     Add network user:
     smbpasswd - a system_username
     sudo gedit /etc/samba/subusers
 
 Ok. Add network user. What group does this go in - admin? 
 And what type of user does it mean - something like "smbuser"?
 and what about the password? Do I just put something in there? 
 
 Im sure Ill have lots more questions but this is really not that clear to me. 
 
 Wade
 
 
 
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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 03:17:39 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:17:39 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051230005603.c861cd06.albi@scii.nl>	<20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B4A6D3.2030803@free.fr>

Michael Richter a écrit :
>>Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and Ubuntu,
>>and they both constantly fought for control of the system board and CPU.
>>Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows program at all!  The
>>binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus the Debian format, that it
>>took control of my system and locked Windows out completely.  My processor
>>won't even recognize the Windows program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and
>>didn't look back.  But now, I have to build a new system with Windows on
>>it!  I thought I had Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make
>>a backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating
>>system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy!
> What are you talking about?

> I'm running multi-boot with various operating systems -- including Ubuntu
> *AND* Windows XP.  There's been no issue (other than an embarrassing one
> when I changed some partitions around and forgot to tell GRUB -- but that's
> another story for a heavy drinking day).  The part with your "processor
> won't even recognise the Windows program" because of something the "Debian
> format" did is purest gibberish.  It scans well.  It is well-formed in terms
> of syntax.  But its semantics are completely incoherent.  Can you try
> rewording it?
I agree with you, what our friend Michael says hardly makes sense. He 
talks as if he had run both OSes at same time, which can't be, save with
virtualisation, of course. So boths systems can't fight for hardware 
control :)
Or maybe Michael attempted to run Windows on a Ext2 or Ext3 partition ? :)
Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.



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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 03:14:59 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:14:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several people that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then Windows!"  The difference in the programs will cause a conflict in each.  They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the languages and command structure, I can only surmise that it has something to do with either the Debian nature, or the difference in binary.  I do know that it caused a mess on my PC, and it was only 5-6 months old!  I'm still looking for a explanation! 

Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote: Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and Ubuntu, and they both constantly fought for control of the system board and CPU.  Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows program at all!  The binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus the Debian format, that it took control of my system and locked Windows out completely.  My processor won't even recognize the Windows program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and didn't look back.  But now, I have to build a new system with Windows on it!  I thought I had Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make a backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy! 



What are you talking about?

I'm running multi-boot with various operating systems -- including Ubuntu *AND* Windows XP.  There's been no issue (other than an embarrassing one when I changed some partitions around and forgot to tell GRUB -- but that's another story for a heavy drinking day).  The part with your "processor won't even recognise the Windows program" because of something the "Debian format" did is purest gibberish.  It scans well.  It is well-formed in terms of syntax.  But its semantics are completely incoherent.  Can you try rewording it? 
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 03:20:44 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and explanation for the items.

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:11 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> The Ubuntu shell is a small shell that works with Debian, not bash or
> korn.
> If you want to use the bash codes, you will have to change your shell
> to the Bourne Again shell (3.05 I believe), that uses the best
> attributes of bash and Korn, or install the larger bash or korn
> kernels.  I have tried several bash codes in terminal with the smaller
> Debian, and it didn't even recognize the codes I entering.
> Diehl, James
> 



I don't see a shell called Ubuntu

Where is it???


Vram













> Vram  wrote:














>         On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
>         > Il giorno gio, 29/12/2005 alle 13.35 -0500, alex ha scritto:
>         > > For several years, I've been using aliases like the
>         following in all
>         > > the linuxes that I've used.
>         > > 
>         > > alias xpa+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1;
>         ls -aF'
>         > > --color=auto'
>         > > alias xpa-='cd; umount -l /mnt/da1'
>         > > 
>         > > These two and several others are stored in /root/.bashrc.
>         > > 
>         > > I'm having a problem with these aliases in ubuntu because
>         of 
>         > > sudo...I can't execute them from /root/.bashrc with or
>         without sudo.
>         > > 
>         > > In other Linuxes, all I have to do is type ... xpa+ or
>         xpa- and I have
>         > > access to Windows or in similar fashion, can access other
>         Linuxes.
>         > > For example, I have three ubuntus installed and can cross
>         access them
>         > > except from one of them. (Two of the ubuntus have sudo
>         disabled)
>         > 
>         > Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could
>         simply ignore
>         > the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root
>         using 'su'.
>         > Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user
>         aliases
>         > (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you
>         must change
>         > your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that
>         for multiple
>         > commands (such as the above examples) you must either add
>         sudo in front
>         > of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
>         > 
>         > alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>         > cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"
>         
>         quotes are backwards ^^^^^
>         
>         
>         I think
>         
>         Vram
>         
>         
>         > 
>         > Hope that helps
>         > 
>         > 
>         
>         
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From fmccormick at videotron.ca  Fri Dec 30 03:26:34 2005
From: fmccormick at videotron.ca (frank mccormick)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:26:34 -0500
Subject: New Kernel won't install on Dapper
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512291527g6e9cb8d2n692849ce1ad9de35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135868461.5911.2.camel@localhost>
	<e453abbe0512291019k1fb44915v350845c8780934cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135883530.4422.3.camel@localhost>
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Message-ID: <1135913194.6646.2.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2005-29-12 at 15:27 -0800, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > > > > The updates this morning included a new 386 Kernel but the update
> > > > > manager complains it can't install 2.6.15.10. It seems somehow it
> > > > > skipped 2.6.15.8 as my current Kernel is 2.6.15.6.  What's the way
> > > > > around this ??
> > > >
> > > > what is the error you get?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > Apt-get and/or the update manager just say two packages will be held
> > > back and not upgraded. Even forcing them in Synaptic doesn't do it.
> >
> > does apt-get dist-upgrade  gives yuou any hints of which packages are
> > beeing held back?
> > (and for which reason)?
> 
> 
> For the record, I'm now getting the same problem while trying to
> upgrade from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10.  Probably the best is to wait a few
> hours to see if the problem goes away from the current state of the
> Dapper archive.

Well still won't install. Tried the apt-get -s install method suggested
by someone here but the message I get just indicates the new kernel is
unavailable. It'll probably get sorted out in a day or so.



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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 03:27:24 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:27:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Databases
In-Reply-To: <hkge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <20051230032724.86112.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I found those articles too!  I've been trying to lie to it for 3-4 days!  When I try to make the files they say to make, nothing happens.  When I try to login as Oracle user,  I get:  "What's an oracle?" Never heard of that command!  I can't get it to install some of the programs, like apt stuff either!  I haven't given up yet, but I have a few less gray hairs now!
 I'm pulling them out! 
 Diehl, James

Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: James Diehl wrote:

>  Does anyone use a Oracle database on their Ubuntu?

Yes.

>  My Open Office 2.0 
>  says that I can.  It lists the different types of databases that can be
>  accessed on a network.  If I download a base, the program can locate it
>  on my PC and let me open the files and display the contents.  

I'm not at all sure though that OO is telling you you can run Oracle on your
system - just that you can connect to an Oracle database.  In any case, it
can be done.

I've run both Oracle 8i and 10g on my Ubuntu system (never got 9i to work). 
There's a few quirks, and the current version of 10g refuses to install
because I don't have enough memory.  I wish it would let me ignore those
things...  It's not like I need an Enterprise-ready db on my laptop, it's
just a testing platform.

>  It reports 
>  that the drivers for the base are all defective, and won't let the
>  installers run.  Is there a trick to making them work?  If not, is it
>  because of the Debian?  

I can't understand your question.  Just google for "Linux Oracle 10g" and
you should find a couple of reliable how-tos.

The first time I did the 10g install, I had to lie and tell it that I had a
RedHat system.  The last time I found a workaround for that.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 03:32:11 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:32:11 -0500
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DevilsAdvocate.20u38m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


> What are you talking about?



Yes, what are you talking about?  Tell us what you did, step by step. 
I've run Ubuntu next to Windows next to Kubuntu next to PCBSD next to
Debian.  Never had any OS "take over" my CPU.


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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 03:46:38 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:46:38 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>

James Diehl a écrit :
 >I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several 
people >that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then 
 >Windows!"  The difference in the programs will cause a conflict in 
 >each.  They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the 
 >languages and command structure, I can only surmise that it has 
 >something to do with either the Debian nature, or the difference in 
 >binary.  I do know that it caused a mess on my PC, and it was only 5-6 
 >months old!  I'm still looking for a explanation!

=-=-=-=-=

Cause there is no explanation, and because they don't know what they are 
talking about. It did not do a mess in your PC, and you confuse software
and hardware. When one system does not boot anymore, after a new kernel 
was installed, we look at the Grub configuration file, and fix it.
By the way, I'm on the point to change for Lilo, in order to observe how 
it goes with this brave Lilo, for a while :))
Someone has experience for a while, with lilo and it's /etc/lilo.conf 
file ?
Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.

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From wade at wadesmart.com  Fri Dec 30 03:46:53 2005
From: wade at wadesmart.com (Wade Smart)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:46:53 -0600
Subject: a little samba help
In-Reply-To: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>
References: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <43B4ADAD.6020503@wadesmart.com>

12292005 2144 GMT-5

Let me ask a totally different question.

I have a cable modem. I have my desktop plugged into the ethernet port. 
I have a laptop with XP (my wifes) accessing through the wireless port. 
I really just want to allow them to share some files, and allow the 
laptop to use the printer.

Im trying to set up samba with lots of difficulty. Im following the 
guide but its not making a lot of sense overall. Neither computer can 
see the other.

Is this really the only way to do this?

Wade




Wade Smart wrote:

> 12292005 2044 GMT-5



>
> I have been reading about getting samba installed.
> Im reading 
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-samba-server
> at ubuntu about getting it up and running.
>
> I am in need of a  little clarification.
>
> On number 3 under samba it says,
>     Add network user:
>     smbpasswd - a system_username
>     sudo gedit /etc/samba/subusers
>
> Ok. Add network user. What group does this go in - admin?
> And what type of user does it mean - something like "smbuser"?
> and what about the password? Do I just put something in there?
>
> Im sure Ill have lots more questions but this is really not that clear 
> to me.
>
> Wade
>
>
>
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 03:48:18 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:48:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051230034818.48187.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not me!  I'm assuming they are made to be seen in IE?  

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote: 
Anyone able to view any of these videos in Hoary or Breezy?-
http://www.muzikmedia.com/videotop.aspx


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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 03:48:38 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:48:38 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <20051230025924.75169.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230025924.75169.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On 30/12/05, James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> It makes me wonder Michael!  I don't fully understand the Debian concepts,
> but just because it's different, it doesn't mean that it's no good!  There
> are several sites dedicated to Debian, and a whole lot of developers stake
> their reputation on it, because it's different.  They can't all be wrong!
> It sure causes some kind of discrimination though!
>

I didn't use Debian because when I first came across it -- a few years ago
-- it sucked.  I mean bowling balls through garden hoses levels of suction.
It was everything I hated in Linux (and UNIX in general) wrapped up in a
ball.  Note that I also hated Slackware, et al, so it's not a case of
anti-Debian bigotry but rather a case of anti-UNIX-attitude bigotry.  ;-)

As I said on another thread: Ubuntu is the first Linux that didn't get taken
off my hard drive after a week (tops).  I've used a few LiveCDs (Knoppix,
etc.) for booting up in Chinese net bars so I could have an English UI, but
for actual use on a home system?  Linux wasn't in the cards.  Until I hit
Ubuntu.

Maybe Debian is now a suitable candidate for my purposes.  But why bother?
I'm happy(ish) with Ubuntu.
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 03:57:00 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:57:00 +1100
Subject: Mac On Linux
In-Reply-To: <C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
	<20051229193727.4049b837.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<C3EEE03F-3AAE-432E-85AA-69A70A2544A6@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <20051230145700.688ee2f8.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:38:08 +1100
Peter Gort <pgort at iprimus.com.au> wrote:

> One thing that puzzles me and  
> may be a clue, is that the web page above (which is no longer found  
> as of this morning?) lists the kernel module's file name as mol.o  
> where the file I have and the MacOnLinuxHowTo page has the file name  
> as mol.ko

I think this is a 2.4.*  kernel vs. 2.6.* kernel thing - the .ko suffix is
used with 2.6.*  kernel modules. Also AFAIK you don't use the suffix when
doing a modprobe / insmod.

Someone please correct me if that's wrong ;)

The page I linked (the Monash one) is quite old. I just found some of the
hints there helpful.

Peter
 -- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From bfwalker at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 04:00:12 2005
From: bfwalker at gmail.com (Brian Walker)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:00:12 +0800
Subject: USB headsets : can't get the mic to work ...
In-Reply-To: <1135893803.8455.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135852225.8425.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135893803.8455.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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So what was the solution? I have the same problem ...

Brian
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From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 04:02:04 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:02:04 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
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	<ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
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> > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> the deal?
for me it was the community.
I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.

--
www.modmeup.net
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
"Gratitude can be poisonous; it forces you to be beneath me and me to
be superior instead of equals." - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, States of
Grace.



From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 04:04:03 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:04:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <DevilsAdvocate.20u38m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <20051230040403.54438.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't understand it completely myself!  When I tried to run Ubuntu after Windows, the NTFS security program blocked Ubuntu's access to the system.  When I tried to run Ubuntu before Windows, Windows crashed!  I got an error message that said " one of your memory files has been corrupted and cannot be read!'  Then I got a blank screen!  The only way I could get it started again was by booting from the Windows disk.  Then I got an error message at boot that said "your SMART file on your hard drive has been damaged, Windows cannot boot from disk!"  "Replace your drive unit, or contact the manufacturer.!  Then it crashed again!  I pulled out my Ubuntu disk, loaded it, reformatted the drive, installed, and it's been running fine ever since!  No signs of damage, no crashing, no corruption!  I installed the Windows on another drive, in another computer, and it worked fine also!  No viruses! No adware or spyware!
 Anyone got an explanation for me?  Do I need to call an exorcist?

'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com wrote: 
> What are you talking about?



Yes, what are you talking about?  Tell us what you did, step by step. 
I've run Ubuntu next to Windows next to Kubuntu next to PCBSD next to
Debian.  Never had any OS "take over" my CPU.


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From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 04:04:27 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:04:27 +0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several people
> that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then Windows!"
>

How about running Linux, then Windows, then Linux, then Windows, then DOS
(yes, DOS), then QNX then Linux then Windows?  Because that's what I just
did this morning.  With no hitch.

My suggestion for the future is talk to people who know what they're talking
about instead of people who spread misinformation instead of saying "I don't
know".

They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the languages
> and command structure, I can only surmise that it has something to do with
> either the Debian nature, or the difference in binary.
>

Which languages?  Which command structures?  What in the bloody blue blazes
are you talking about?!

UNIX and its clones are mostly written in C with some assembler tweaking
here and there.  Windows XP is mostly written in C with some assembler
tweaking here and there.  Languages have nothing to do with anything!  And
as for command structures -- what you're saying is about as meaningful as
saying "don't speak Chinese before speaking English because otherwise your
brain will be unable to process English words ever again".

So, James, sit down.  Stop blithering.  Take stock.  Then explain what you
did: coherently and step-by-step.  Don't speculate on reasons why things
happened--no insult intended, but you are clearly technically ill-equipped
for such speculation at this time--just report the facts as clearly, lucidly
and completely as you can.  I'm sure that someone on this list -- maybe even
me, given that I multi-boot practically for a living -- can help you figure
out what went wrong.

And for future reference?  Your friends?  The ones that told you that you
can't dual-boot XP and Ubuntu?  They're wrong and they're also dishonest
about it.  Don't go to them for help anymore.  They will do more to damage
your computer and your ability to use it than a fire axe would.
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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:10:11 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:11 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135915811.27904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If
> you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> explanation for the items.

The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because of this,
commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
facts straight, Vram, please.

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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:14:15 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:14:15 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230025428.17538.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230025428.17538.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135916055.27904.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:54 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> In the synaptic pkg mgr..  It lists the items that are installed, if
> you click status.  The shell that Ubuntu normally uses is small, like
> 0.50.11 or something like that.  They also list a Bourne Again, Korn
> and Dash, Bash, something like that too.  The Bourne Again is like
> 3.05, the Korn is 5. something, and the other is like  6-7.  In the
> description tab, it says that the Bash is what most users prefer to
> use, but the Bourne Again is from Berkely I think, and is a kind of
> happy medium.  Ubuntu says the small one that they use is less prone
> for breakage when loading a new kernel, patching, or updating.  It
> doesn't give you much room for expansion though!

Listen, the default Ubuntu shell is the Bourne Again SHell. Put the
capitals together and you get... BASH. They are the same thing! The
default shell for the vast majority of distributions has for some time
been good old bash.

Ubuntu says no such thing. Bash gives you a lot of room for expansion!
Why else would a large proportion of the planet's Unix users use it!?

William.
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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:16:26 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:16:26 +1100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:45 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and
> Ubuntu, and they both constantly fought for control of the system
> board and CPU.  Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows
> program at all!  The binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus
> the Debian format, that it took control of my system and locked
> Windows out completely.  My processor won't even recognize the Windows
> program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and didn't look back.  But now,
> I have to build a new system with Windows on it!  I thought I had
> Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make a
> backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating
> system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy!

What on earth are you talking about!!?? One runs at a time. It is
impossible for multiple to run simultaneously, however it is trivial to
be able to select between them at bootup.

Ubuntu won't be able to run Windows programs (without a compatibility
layer like Wine, of course), because it isn't Windows!

William.

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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 04:19:23 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:19:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512291948q5c0da0ceo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051230041923.55749.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It just seems a little discriminatory when you go sites like Sun, Oracle and such, and the only systems they support for their programs are SUSE, RedHat, Fedora & Solaris.  They probably are all great programs, but they have probably paid big money to get exclusivity.  Oracle is willing to work with me on my problems, so is Sun, but look through their support lists.  What do ya see?  Everything is formatted for the big four!

Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote: On 30/12/05, James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote: It makes me wonder Michael!  I don't fully understand the Debian concepts, but just because it's different, it doesn't mean that it's no good!  There are several sites dedicated to Debian, and a whole lot of developers stake their reputation on it, because it's different.  They can't all be wrong!  It sure causes some kind of discrimination though! 



I didn't use Debian because when I first came across it -- a few years ago -- it sucked.  I mean bowling balls through garden hoses levels of suction.  It was everything I hated in Linux (and UNIX in general) wrapped up in a ball.  Note that I also hated Slackware, et al, so it's not a case of anti-Debian bigotry but rather a case of anti-UNIX-attitude bigotry.  ;-) 

As I said on another thread: Ubuntu is the first Linux that didn't get taken off my hard drive after a week (tops).  I've used a few LiveCDs (Knoppix, etc.) for booting up in Chinese net bars so I could have an English UI, but for actual use on a home system?  Linux wasn't in the cards.  Until I hit Ubuntu. 

Maybe Debian is now a suitable candidate for my purposes.  But why bother?  I'm happy(ish) with Ubuntu.
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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 04:20:43 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:20:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135915811.27904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230042043.21947.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's not what it says in my Ubuntu pkg mgr.!

William Grant <tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au> wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If
> you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> explanation for the items.

The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because of this,
commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
facts straight, Vram, please.

William.
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From dman13 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 04:22:26 2005
From: dman13 at gmail.com (Derrick Hudson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:22:26 -0500
Subject: Zope problems
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512242034j34bf2ecdn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c840b090512292022o71b8dccbgfa3c5cff4fe1fc7c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/24/05, Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Can anybody let me know what the trick is to get Zope running under Ubuntu?

To be honest, I haven't set up zope on ubuntu.  However, I have
sufficient experience with zope on debian, and I also know that the
packages are identical.

Later in the thread you post an error traceback from the
zope3-sandbox.  The problem with the readme file is that it is not
-just- a readme sitting there for you to ignore it.  It is registered
with the help subsystem so that zope can integrate it with the
software intself with context-sensitive help.  Clearly, however, the
sandbox package has a defect.

Since at least version 2.7 (maybe starting with 2.6) zope has included
a concept they call "instances" to separate the software from the
data.  When you install any of the zope{2.7,2.8,3} packages you are
only installing the software.  In order to use the software, you must
create an "instance".  Run the 'mkzopeinstance' script to create an
instance.  For example:

    $ /usr/lib/zope3/bin/mkzopeinstance

When doing this you will provide a directory to create the instance in
(for example /srv/zope/test1) and an administrator account.  For
zope3, this admin account data will be placed in
$INSTANCEHOME/etc/principals.zcml.  You can manually edit that file to
change the username or password or to eliminate that account.

Each zope instance that you create must be configured to listen on a
different port or you will have conflicts if you try to run more than
one at a time.  The port is configured in $INSTANCEHOME/etc/zope.conf.

In general, if you have server software and want to verify that it is
listening on the socket like you expect or to determine what socket(s)
it is listening on, use the 'netstat' command.  For example, as root
run 'netstat -anp | less'.  This would show you, if you didn't already
know, what port the zope process is listening on.

I hope this helps you get started with zope on ubuntu.  If you run
into further issues, post more details and we can try to work through
them.
-D



From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:23:19 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:23:19 +1100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512292004u1d71c4es@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512292004u1d71c4es@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135916600.27904.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:04 +0800, Michael Richter wrote:
>         I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to
>         several people that use both programs, and they all said
>         "Don't run Linux, then Windows!"  
> 
> How about running Linux, then Windows, then Linux, then Windows, then
> DOS (yes, DOS), then QNX then Linux then Windows?  Because that's what
> I just did this morning.  With no hitch.
> 
> My suggestion for the future is talk to people who know what they're
> talking about instead of people who spread misinformation instead of
> saying "I don't know".  
> 
> 
>         They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at
>         the languages and command structure, I can only surmise that
>         it has something to do with either the Debian nature, or the
>         difference in binary.  
> 
> Which languages?  Which command structures?  What in the bloody blue
> blazes are you talking about?!
> 
> UNIX and its clones are mostly written in C with some assembler
> tweaking here and there.  Windows XP is mostly written in C with some
> assembler tweaking here and there.  Languages have nothing to do with
> anything!  And as for command structures -- what you're saying is
> about as meaningful as saying "don't speak Chinese before speaking
> English because otherwise your brain will be unable to process English
> words ever again". 
> 
> So, James, sit down.  Stop blithering.  Take stock.  Then explain what
> you did: coherently and step-by-step.  Don't speculate on reasons why
> things happened--no insult intended, but you are clearly technically
> ill-equipped for such speculation at this time--just report the facts
> as clearly, lucidly and completely as you can.  I'm sure that someone
> on this list -- maybe even me, given that I multi-boot practically for
> a living -- can help you figure out what went wrong. 
> 
> And for future reference?  Your friends?  The ones that told you that
> you can't dual-boot XP and Ubuntu?  They're wrong and they're also
> dishonest about it.  Don't go to them for help anymore.  They will do
> more to damage your computer and your ability to use it than a fire
> axe would.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Those friends are completely
wrong and obviously have no idea, or are being deliberately misleading.

William.

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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 04:34:02 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:34:02 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <ee970b290512292004u1d71c4es@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>	<20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512292004u1d71c4es@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B4B8BA.5070207@free.fr>

Michael Richter a écrit :
>>I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several people
>>that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then Windows!"
> How about running Linux, then Windows, then Linux, then Windows, then DOS
> (yes, DOS), then QNX then Linux then Windows?  Because that's what I just
> did this morning.  With no hitch.

> My suggestion for the future is talk to people who know what they're talking
> about instead of people who spread misinformation instead of saying "I don't
> know".

> They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the languages

>>and command structure, I can only surmise that it has something to do with
>>either the Debian nature, or the difference in binary.

> Which languages?  Which command structures?  What in the bloody blue blazes
> are you talking about?!

> UNIX and its clones are mostly written in C with some assembler tweaking
> here and there.  Windows XP is mostly written in C with some assembler
> tweaking here and there.  Languages have nothing to do with anything!  And
> as for command structures -- what you're saying is about as meaningful as
> saying "don't speak Chinese before speaking English because otherwise your
> brain will be unable to process English words ever again".

> So, James, sit down.  Stop blithering.  Take stock.  Then explain what you
> did: coherently and step-by-step.  Don't speculate on reasons why things
> happened--no insult intended, but you are clearly technically ill-equipped
> for such speculation at this time--just report the facts as clearly, lucidly
> and completely as you can.  I'm sure that someone on this list -- maybe even
> me, given that I multi-boot practically for a living -- can help you figure
> out what went wrong.

> And for future reference?  Your friends?  The ones that told you that you
> can't dual-boot XP and Ubuntu?  They're wrong and they're also dishonest
> about it.  Don't go to them for help anymore.  They will do more to damage
> your computer and your ability to use it than a fire axe would.
Maybe James ignores that Windows has to be installed first, and Linux 
after, with the Linux bootloader -lilo or Grub- on the MBR, and then he 
maybe got once the Windows bootloader erased, the other time the Ubuntu 
(or any Linux) bootloader erased by the Windows bootloader when he 
reinstalled it, and so on ?

I learned recently to reinstall Grub by chrooting from a mounted system 
under Live CD, by the way, thanks to someone who had the patience to 
show me. It's most practicle! never know when it can be necessary to 
reinstall a Windows :)
James : do you know about LInuxLoOader : Lilo ? and Grub ? and the 
Windows loader ? Is my hypothesis possible ?
Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.

PS! what are 'bloody blue blazes' ?  I'm not english native langage 
talking :D


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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:35:33 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:35:33 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230042043.21947.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230042043.21947.qmail@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135917333.27904.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 20:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> That's not what it says in my Ubuntu pkg mgr.!
> 
> William Grant <tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>         On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>         > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr.,
>         if you
>         > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item
>         under
>         > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>         whatever. If
>         > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a
>         description and
>         > explanation for the items.
>         
>         The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of
>         other
>         distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell.
>         Because of this,
>         commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu.
>         Get your
>         facts straight, Vram, please.
>         
>         William.

Where exactly does it say this?

William.
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From dsyates at mindspring.com  Fri Dec 30 04:37:59 2005
From: dsyates at mindspring.com (dsyates)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:37:59 -0500
Subject: emelfm2 for ubuntu 5.10
In-Reply-To: <E1EsBuj-0000qD-Hd@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
References: <E1EsBuj-0000qD-Hd@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <43B4B9A7.3090902@mindspring.com>

I have the packaged the very latest emelfm2 deb packages for ubuntu 
5.10; they can be downloaded at http://lottalinuxlinks.com/emelfm2/

Direct download from 
http://lottalinuxlinks.com/files/emelfm2_0.1.4-1_i386.deb


-- 
David S. Yates
http://lottalinuxlinks.com
http://lottalinuxlinks.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/



From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 04:41:19 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:41:19 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051230154119.bc96ad8a.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:44 -0800 (PST)
James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and explanation for the items.

I'm utterly puzzled by your posts, James. Not even sure what the heck you
are talking about.

The standard shell in Ubuntu is BASH

peter at prospero:~ $ echo $SHELL
/bin/bash

It doesn't lack anything. As far as I know it's a complete and functional
"Bourne Again Shell".  "sh" is also symlinked to bash:

peter at prospero:~ $ ls -l `which sh`
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-10-22 14:50 /bin/sh -> bash

I have no idea what on earth this is about - if someone understands it, do
please enlighten me...

Peter

 -- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 04:51:23 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:51:23 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512292002v5e7aae57jf42a9db18aeadcba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1135918283.11114.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:02 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> > the deal?
> for me it was the community.
> I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.


And I found it just the opposite...

Friendly, knowledgeable people...

Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian!!!

"""My story and I am sticking with it."""

Vram




From chris at bitspace.org  Fri Dec 30 04:50:23 2005
From: chris at bitspace.org (Chris Woods)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:50:23 -0500
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20051230034818.48187.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230034818.48187.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B4BC8F.3060105@bitspace.org>

James Diehl wrote:
> Not me!  I'm assuming they are made to be seen in IE? 
> 
> */'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>, '@wailuku.xlogicgroup.com/*
> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Anyone able to view any of these videos in Hoary or Breezy?-
>     http://www.muzikmedia.com/videotop.aspx
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     gangalee
> 

FWIW, I can view the videos fine. Firefox 1.0.7 + mplayer plugin
(mozilla-mplayer) - the videos display inline as expected.

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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 05:00:33 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:00:33 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135915811.27904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135915811.27904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135918833.11114.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> > It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If
> > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> > explanation for the items.
> 
> The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
> distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because of this,
> commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
> facts straight, Vram, please.
> 
> William.

Thanks for the feed back...

And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..

If you look through /bin

Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell


But, then again I think the man page lied...


I am trying to get my facts straight..

Thank YOU!!!  hehe

Vram





From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 05:01:57 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:01:57 +0100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230154119.bc96ad8a.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20051230154119.bc96ad8a.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <43B4BF45.7060806@free.fr>

Peter Garrett a écrit :
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:44 -0800 (PST)
> James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you switch to 
status mode, at the end of the line for each item under installed 
version/latest version,
it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If you open the tabs in the lower box, 
you can get a
description and explanation for the items.

> I'm utterly puzzled by your posts, James. Not even sure what the heck you
> are talking about.

> The standard shell in Ubuntu is BASH

> peter at prospero:~ $ echo $SHELL
> /bin/bash

> It doesn't lack anything. As far as I know it's a complete and functional
> "Bourne Again Shell".  "sh" is also symlinked to bash:

> peter at prospero:~ $ ls -l `which sh`
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-10-22 14:50 /bin/sh -> bash
> 
> I have no idea what on earth this is about - if someone understands it, do
> please enlighten me...
> 
> Peter
Hello,
This man is a newbie who wants to look a bit advanced maybe, and he's 
full with "fortunes" :)
by the way, the newbie who talks to you (me) would be most happy to 
learn about this one command line: ls -l `which sh`
it avoids you to 'cd' to '/bin' before invoking 'ls -l', or does it do 
more ?
Thanks to enlighten me, :)
Joyce Markoll.


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From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 04:58:39 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:58:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135917333.27904.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230045839.69663.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In my synaptic pkg. mgr. I can click the status button and see what I have installed, and not installed.  Below the pkg. window is another window and several tabs for description, dependency, installed, versions.  When I clicked the not installed, descriptions and versions, it listed the possible shells, which one was installed, the type, size and description for each one when I highlighted it.  I was interested in which one I should use because I wanted to install an oracle database on my system.  The installation instructions said I needed to make files with bash, and I couldn't until I switched to the larger Bourne Again shell.  I'm not making it up!  I don't know if this information is on all Ubuntu pkg. mgrs., but that's what it said in mine.  I browse through that thing all of the time, trying to find things to add to my system for developing.  Every time I try to work with a database or something, I end up going in there and adding another item!

William Grant <tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au> wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 20:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> That's not what it says in my Ubuntu pkg mgr.!
> 
> William Grant  wrote:
>         On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>         > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr.,
>         if you
>         > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item
>         under
>         > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>         whatever. If
>         > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a
>         description and
>         > explanation for the items.
>         
>         The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of
>         other
>         distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell.
>         Because of this,
>         commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu.
>         Get your
>         facts straight, Vram, please.
>         
>         William.

Where exactly does it say this?

William.
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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 05:00:01 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:01 +1100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <43B4B8BA.5070207@free.fr>
References: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:34:02 +0100
"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote:

> PS! what are 'bloody blue blazes' ?  I'm not english native langage 
> talking :D

It's an exclamation of incredulity, in the context ;-) Something like
"What on earth?" with greater emphasis.

Reading some of the threads James has contributed to recently, I confess I
find myself as puzzled by his posts as you are by English slang :)

As far as I know, ubuntu-users has not changed to a mailing list for
surrealists, but I'm having my doubts ;-)

Peter

-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 05:00:30 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:30 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230154119.bc96ad8a.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
References: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1135918831.27904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:41 +1100, Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:44 -0800 (PST)
> James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and explanation for the items.
> 
> I'm utterly puzzled by your posts, James. Not even sure what the heck you
> are talking about.
> 
> The standard shell in Ubuntu is BASH
> 
> peter at prospero:~ $ echo $SHELL
> /bin/bash
> 
> It doesn't lack anything. As far as I know it's a complete and functional
> "Bourne Again Shell".  "sh" is also symlinked to bash:
> 
> peter at prospero:~ $ ls -l `which sh`
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-10-22 14:50 /bin/sh -> bash
> 
> I have no idea what on earth this is about - if someone understands it, do
> please enlighten me...
> 
> Peter

Exactly what I said.

William.
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 05:10:02 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:10:02 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:16 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:45 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> > Good Luck on this one fellas!  I was running dual-boot XP Pro and
> > Ubuntu, and they both constantly fought for control of the system
> > board and CPU.  Ubuntu finally won!  My computer cannot run a Windows
> > program at all!  The binaries from Ubuntu are different enough, plus
> > the Debian format, that it took control of my system and locked
> > Windows out completely.  My processor won't even recognize the Windows
> > program!  I converted my PC to Ubuntu, and didn't look back.  But now,
> > I have to build a new system with Windows on it!  I thought I had
> > Windows up and running again, but when I tried to make a
> > backup/restore with Ghost, when it rebooted, it said:  "Your operating
> > system is missing!"  I'm glad I had my Ubuntu disc handy!
> 
> What on earth are you talking about!!?? One runs at a time. It is
> impossible for multiple to run simultaneously, however it is trivial to
> be able to select between them at bootup.
> 
> Ubuntu won't be able to run Windows programs (without a compatibility
> layer like Wine, of course), because it isn't Windows!
> 
> William.
> 


If you run Vmware you can run windows  on TOP of Linux

Windows would be an application in Linux


Vram






From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 05:11:56 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:11:56 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1135919516.11114.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 04:46 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> James Diehl a écrit :
>  >I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several 
> people >that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then 
>  >Windows!"  The difference in the programs will cause a conflict in 
>  >each.  They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the 
>  >languages and command structure, I can only surmise that it has 
>  >something to do with either the Debian nature, or the difference in 
>  >binary.  I do know that it caused a mess on my PC, and it was only 5-6 
>  >months old!  I'm still looking for a explanation!
> 
> =-=-=-=-=
> 
> Cause there is no explanation, and because they don't know what they are 
> talking about. It did not do a mess in your PC, and you confuse software
> and hardware. When one system does not boot anymore, after a new kernel 
> was installed, we look at the Grub configuration file, and fix it.
> By the way, I'm on the point to change for Lilo, in order to observe how 
> it goes with this brave Lilo, for a while :))
> Someone has experience for a while, with lilo and it's /etc/lilo.conf 
> file ?
> Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 



Lilo is going back in time..

It doesn't have the power of GRUB.

I can't think of any reason to go backwards.

Vram






> --
> 
> Nada is a program that do nothing, for everybody. It does nothing, and 
> does it well!
> http://bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/index.php
> 
> 
> Bug Reports
> There are no bugs in NaDa™. It is impossible.
> (But you never _know_...)
> 
> 




From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 05:11:54 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:11:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <1135918283.11114.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230051154.72983.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good for you!
 I just got involved with the discussion groups.  I just get tired of the program being knocked by people.  I read an email the other day, someone saying; "I enjoyed playing around with Ubuntu for a while!" He was comparing it to one of his little boys toy trucks!  When I mention that I run Ubuntu Linux, people act like; "What's that?" Why don't you get a real system like Windows?"  Or, if you want a real Linux, get RedHat or Suse!
 If more people would try Ubuntu and Kubuntu, they would like it!  I would like to try the Enterprise version.  My univ. just got a nice Enterprise version of some type of Linux for the criminal justice school.  Pretty fancy!

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:02 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> > the deal?
> for me it was the community.
> I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.


And I found it just the opposite...

Friendly, knowledgeable people...

Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian!!!

"""My story and I am sticking with it."""

Vram


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From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 30 05:25:20 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:25:20 +1300
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <20051230045839.69663.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230045839.69663.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135920321.11092.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 20:58 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> In my synaptic pkg. mgr. I can click the status button and see what I
> have installed, and not installed.  Below the pkg. window is another
> window and several tabs for description, dependency, installed,
> versions.  When I clicked the not installed, descriptions and
> versions, it listed the possible shells, which one was installed, the
> type, size and description for each one when I highlighted it.  I was
> interested in which one I should use because I wanted to install an
> oracle database on my system.  The installation instructions said I
> needed to make files with bash, and I couldn't until I switched to the
> larger Bourne Again shell.  I'm not making it up!  I don't know if
> this information is on all Ubuntu pkg. mgrs., but that's what it said
> in mine.  I browse through that thing all of the time, trying to find
> things to add to my system for developing.  Every time I try to work
> with a database or something, I end up going in there and adding
> another item!

The bash shell is in section "base", and is a dependency of
ubuntu-minimal.  As others have said, bash is the default shell for
users.
> 
To quote the dash description: 
 "dash" is a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than "bash".
 We take advantage of that by making it the shell on the installation
 root floppy, where space is at a premium.


Dash appears to be installed to support discover1



You can confirm that bash is your shell (and is used by root) by:
echo $SHELL

sudo -i
echo $SHELL

(sudo -i creates a root login shell, by running ~root/.bash_profile
and /etc/profile).


But, as others have indicated, you will have to modify your aliases to
work in Ubuntu because of its default setup using sudo.




Tim




From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 05:26:16 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:26:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135919516.11114.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know Joyce!  
 Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and Windows wouldn't run & crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor!  It couldn't hurt!

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 04:46 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> James Diehl a écrit :
>  >I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several 
> people >that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux, then 
>  >Windows!"  The difference in the programs will cause a conflict in 
>  >each.  They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at the 
>  >languages and command structure, I can only surmise that it has 
>  >something to do with either the Debian nature, or the difference in 
>  >binary.  I do know that it caused a mess on my PC, and it was only 5-6 
>  >months old!  I'm still looking for a explanation!
> 
> =-=-=-=-=
> 
> Cause there is no explanation, and because they don't know what they are 
> talking about. It did not do a mess in your PC, and you confuse software
> and hardware. When one system does not boot anymore, after a new kernel 
> was installed, we look at the Grub configuration file, and fix it.
> By the way, I'm on the point to change for Lilo, in order to observe how 
> it goes with this brave Lilo, for a while :))
> Someone has experience for a while, with lilo and it's /etc/lilo.conf 
> file ?
> Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 



Lilo is going back in time..

It doesn't have the power of GRUB.

I can't think of any reason to go backwards.

Vram






> --
> 
> Nada is a program that do nothing, for everybody. It does nothing, and 
> does it well!
> http://bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/index.php
> 
> 
> Bug Reports
> There are no bugs in NaDa™. It is impossible.
> (But you never _know_...)
> 
> 


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From peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 05:26:32 2005
From: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au (Peter Garrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:26:32 +1100
Subject: Backticks/paths was: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <43B4BF45.7060806@free.fr>
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:01:57 +0100
"J.Markoll" <j.markoll at free.fr> wrote:

> by the way, the newbie who talks to you (me) would be most happy to 
> learn about this one command line: ls -l `which sh`
> it avoids you to 'cd' to '/bin' before invoking 'ls -l', or does it do 
> more ?

The "which" command returns the full path for an executable thet is in
your $PATH . For instance in my case

peter at prospero:~ $ echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games

peter at prospero:~ $ which firefox
/usr/bin/firefox

The "back quotes" or "back ticks"  (  `` ) evaluate the expression within
them, so when I type 

ls -l `which sh`

It is equivalent to typing

ls -l  /bin/sh

In this case  ls -l /bin/sh would have been easier - it's just a bad habit
of mine ;-)

If you aren't sure of the complete path though, it can be a handy
shortcut. It can also be used in scripts, of course, although the
equivalent $(which sh) is easier to read. 

If , for example, you are installing linux-headers and want an exact match
to your current kernel (as you normally do), you can type

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)

which expands to the correct kernel version.

Hope that isn't confusing :)

Peter
-- 
Unix is hard to learn. The process of learning it is one of multiple small
epiphanies. -- Neal Stephenson



From jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 30 05:28:54 2005
From: jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net (James Diehl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:28:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135918833.11114.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230052854.18460.qmail@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, we're all learning here!  When I've quit learning, I'll have probably quit breathing too!

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> > It's not a shell called Ubuntu.  In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or whatever.  If
> > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> > explanation for the items.
> 
> The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
> distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because of this,
> commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
> facts straight, Vram, please.
> 
> William.

Thanks for the feed back...

And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..

If you look through /bin

Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell


But, then again I think the man page lied...


I am trying to get my facts straight..

Thank YOU!!!  hehe

Vram



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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 05:39:03 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:39:03 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem - Linux BootLoaders
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Vram a écrit :
> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 04:46 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
>>When one system does not boot anymore, after a new kernel 
>>was installed, we look at the Grub configuration file, and fix it.
>>By the way, I'm on the point to change for Lilo, in order to observe how 
>>it goes with this brave Lilo, for a while :))
>>Someone has experience for a while, with lilo and it's /etc/lilo.conf 
>>file ?
>>Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> Lilo is going back in time..
> It doesn't have the power of GRUB.

> I can't think of any reason to go backwards.
> Vram
I've read that many times from people, but when my BIOS was too old and 
had to
be updated, (but I searched what and why, before trying) and when my 
connecteurs and cables were not quite good, before I changed them, and 
got disk boot failures with 'Grub 21 error' as it could not see the HDD, 
I reinstalled a distro with lilo, and lilo booted the distro (with 
errors when invoking lilo, but it booted). Lilo can also handle 
dual-boot very well (multiboot I'm not sure).

Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).

The root and kernel lign came with:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

root            (hd0,6)
kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
instead of root=/dev/hda7

what a fun! :(
I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.

That's why I would consider studying Lilo further, and experiment. Why not ?
a '/sbin/lilo' after a kernel update is not a big deal to invoke after 
all. Do anyone know and use it ?
Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From celtic at sairyx.org  Fri Dec 30 05:41:36 2005
From: celtic at sairyx.org (Arlen Christian Mart Cuss)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:41:36 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
Message-ID: <43B4C890.8060101@sairyx.org>

The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
`sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
*/
Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:

    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
    whatever. If
     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
     > > explanation for the items.
     >
     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
    of this,
     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
     > facts straight, Vram, please.
     >
     > William.

    Thanks for the feed back...

    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..

    If you look through /bin

    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell


    But, then again I think the man page lied...


    I am trying to get my facts straight..

    Thank YOU!!! hehe

    Vram



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*/

Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:

    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
    whatever. If
     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
     > > explanation for the items.
     >
     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
    of this,
     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
     > facts straight, Vram, please.
     >
     > William.

    Thanks for the feed back...

    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..

    If you look through /bin

    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell


    But, then again I think the man page lied...


    I am trying to get my facts straight..

    Thank YOU!!! hehe

    Vram



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    ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
    http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 05:47:54 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:47:54 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135920321.11092.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051230045839.69663.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135920321.11092.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135921674.11114.111.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 18:25 +1300, Tim Frost wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 20:58 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> > In my synaptic pkg. mgr. I can click the status button and see what I
> > have installed, and not installed.  Below the pkg. window is another
> > window and several tabs for description, dependency, installed,
> > versions.  When I clicked the not installed, descriptions and
> > versions, it listed the possible shells, which one was installed, the
> > type, size and description for each one when I highlighted it.  I was
> > interested in which one I should use because I wanted to install an
> > oracle database on my system.  The installation instructions said I
> > needed to make files with bash, and I couldn't until I switched to the
> > larger Bourne Again shell.  I'm not making it up!  I don't know if
> > this information is on all Ubuntu pkg. mgrs., but that's what it said
> > in mine.  I browse through that thing all of the time, trying to find
> > things to add to my system for developing.  Every time I try to work
> > with a database or something, I end up going in there and adding
> > another item!
> 
> The bash shell is in section "base", and is a dependency of
> ubuntu-minimal.  As others have said, bash is the default shell for
> users.
> > 
> To quote the dash description: 
>  "dash" is a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than "bash".
>  We take advantage of that by making it the shell on the installation
>  root floppy, where space is at a premium.
> 
> 
> Dash appears to be installed to support discover1




Thanks for clearing that up!!!

Vram


> 
> 
> 
> You can confirm that bash is your shell (and is used by root) by:
> echo $SHELL
> 
> sudo -i
> echo $SHELL
> 
> (sudo -i creates a root login shell, by running ~root/.bash_profile
> and /etc/profile).
> 
> 
> But, as others have indicated, you will have to modify your aliases to
> work in Ubuntu because of its default setup using sudo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> 




From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 30 05:45:10 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:45:10 +1300
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135921510.11092.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:26 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> I don't know Joyce!  
> Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and Windows wouldn't run &
> crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I
> care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows
> program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy
> Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor!  It
> couldn't hurt!

I suspect that your original Windows install had a special partition.
You mention "SMART" which is a Compaq technology, which involves a
special recovery partition.  If the Ubuntu install tampered with that,
then I can understand Windows being unhappy.

I don't understand the other piece ("Windows NTFS messed up files in my
Ubuntu"), unless the disk has a physical geometry which differs from the
logical geometry,  and the Ubuntu install is using the physical
geometry, while Windows is using the logical geometry. 
> 

Tim




From emmerc at cantv.net  Fri Dec 30 05:50:31 2005
From: emmerc at cantv.net (Emmer)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:50:31 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <20051230051154.72983.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230051154.72983.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200512301350.32047.emmerc@cantv.net>

I have used Ubuntu the last three months after a heavy crash with Windows when 
after a power problem I lost motherboard, memory and hard drive and I just 
got money enough to buy motherboard and memory and I had to install 
everything with the old processor -I am still not sure if it is in good 
shape, (probably I will have to buy a new one later on)- and the old bad hard 
drive. 

Windows did not want to work. I got a lot of blue windows -I hate them- and 
pagination error messages and then a friend told me about Ubuntu 5.04. That 
was the end of the blue window messages and any other similar thing. 

Now I got a new hard drive and my PC is working perfectly with Ubuntu 5.10 and 
KDE 3.5.0. Still I need to learn a lot about linux and plugins and things 
like that but Ubuntu is really a great solution for me.  

Emmer.


On Friday 30 December 2005 13:11, James Diehl wrote:
> Good for you!
>  I just got involved with the discussion groups.  I just get tired of the
> program being knocked by people.  I read an email the other day, someone
> saying; "I enjoyed playing around with Ubuntu for a while!" He was
> comparing it to one of his little boys toy trucks!  When I mention that I
> run Ubuntu Linux, people act like; "What's that?" Why don't you get a real
> system like Windows?"  Or, if you want a real Linux, get RedHat or Suse! If
> more people would try Ubuntu and Kubuntu, they would like it!  I would like
> to try the Enterprise version.  My univ. just got a nice Enterprise version
> of some type of Linux for the criminal justice school.  Pretty fancy!
>
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:02 +0800, 
Senectus . wrote:
> > > > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads?
> > > > What's
> > >
> > > the deal?
> >
> > for me it was the community.
> > I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> > Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.
>
> And I found it just the opposite...
>
> Friendly, knowledgeable people...
>
> Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian!!!
>
> """My story and I am sticking with it."""
>
> Vram



From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 05:55:05 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:55:05 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B4CBB9.6030504@free.fr>

James Diehl a écrit :
 > I don't know Joyce!
 > Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and Windows wouldn't run & 
 > crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I
 > care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows
 > program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy
 > Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor! 
It > couldn't hurt!
Well, I started with my very first computer on February 18th 2004 and 
installed my first Mandrake on June 5th the same year.
You can be sure I knew what I was doing!
I asked several dozens of questions day and night for 5 weeks on a forum.
I'm still on this forum, it's a nice community (framasoft.org).

If you need no dual-boot, it's ok, but if you want to study computing, 
you need to learn the basics anyhow, and cannot ignore the rules for 
dual-boot, and even less contribute to repeat such fortunes.
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/

Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 05:52:55 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:52:55 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:41 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
> `sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
> */
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> 
>     On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>      > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>      > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>      > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>      > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>     whatever. If
>      > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>      > > explanation for the items.
>      >
>      > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>      > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>     of this,
>      > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>      > facts straight, Vram, please.
>      >
>      > William.
> 
>     Thanks for the feed back...
> 
>     And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> 
>     If you look through /bin
> 
>     Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> 
> 
>     But, then again I think the man page lied...
> 
> 
>     I am trying to get my facts straight..
> 
>     Thank YOU!!! hehe
> 
>     Vram
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> */
> 
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> 
>     On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>      > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>      > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>      > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>      > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>     whatever. If
>      > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>      > > explanation for the items.
>      >
>      > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>      > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>     of this,
>      > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>      > facts straight, Vram, please.
>      >
>      > William.
> 
>     Thanks for the feed back...
> 
>     And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> 
>     If you look through /bin
> 
>     Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> 
> 
>     But, then again I think the man page lied...
> 
> 
>     I am trying to get my facts straight..
> 
>     Thank YOU!!! hehe
> 
>     Vram

It does for me as well, as I would have assumed. Perhaps it is the apt
Description?

William.
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 06:06:10 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:06:10 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <43B4C890.8060101@sairyx.org>
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:41 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
> `sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
> */


vram at Aether:~ $ ls -l `which dash`
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 83960 2004-10-26 08:42 /bin/dash

What do you get???




> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> 
>     On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>      > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>      > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>      > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>      > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>     whatever. If
>      > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>      > > explanation for the items.
>      >
>      > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>      > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>     of this,
>      > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>      > facts straight, Vram, please.
>      >
>      > William.
> 
>     Thanks for the feed back...
> 
>     And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> 
>     If you look through /bin
> 
>     Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> 
> 
>     But, then again I think the man page lied...
> 
> 
>     I am trying to get my facts straight..
> 
>     Thank YOU!!! hehe
> 
>     Vram
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> */
> 
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> 
>     On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>      > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>      > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>      > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>      > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>     whatever. If
>      > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>      > > explanation for the items.
>      >
>      > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>      > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>     of this,
>      > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>      > facts straight, Vram, please.
>      >
>      > William.
> 
>     Thanks for the feed back...
> 
>     And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> 
>     If you look through /bin
> 
>     Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> 
> 
>     But, then again I think the man page lied...
> 
> 
>     I am trying to get my facts straight..
> 
>     Thank YOU!!! hehe
> 
>     Vram
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     ubuntu-users mailing list
>     ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>     http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> 




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 06:08:56 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:08:56 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem - Linux BootLoaders
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	<43B4C7F7.2010506@free.fr>
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 06:39 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> Vram a écrit :
> > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 04:46 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> >>When one system does not boot anymore, after a new kernel 
> >>was installed, we look at the Grub configuration file, and fix it.
> >>By the way, I'm on the point to change for Lilo, in order to observe how 
> >>it goes with this brave Lilo, for a while :))
> >>Someone has experience for a while, with lilo and it's /etc/lilo.conf 
> >>file ?
> >>Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> > Lilo is going back in time..
> > It doesn't have the power of GRUB.
> 
> > I can't think of any reason to go backwards.
> > Vram
> I've read that many times from people, but when my BIOS was too old and 
> had to
> be updated, (but I searched what and why, before trying) and when my 
> connecteurs and cables were not quite good, before I changed them, and 
> got disk boot failures with 'Grub 21 error' as it could not see the HDD, 
> I reinstalled a distro with lilo, and lilo booted the distro (with 
> errors when invoking lilo, but it booted). Lilo can also handle 
> dual-boot very well (multiboot I'm not sure).
> 
> Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
> leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
> a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
> times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).
> 
> The root and kernel lign came with:
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> root            (hd0,6)
> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> instead of root=/dev/hda7
> 
> what a fun! :(
> I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.
> 
> That's why I would consider studying Lilo further, and experiment. Why not ?
> a '/sbin/lilo' after a kernel update is not a big deal to invoke after 
> all. Do anyone know and use it ?
> Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 

Ok.. So I used it for years..

What do you want to know???

I resisted switching to GRUB!!!!


Vram




> 




From celtic at sairyx.org  Fri Dec 30 06:07:56 2005
From: celtic at sairyx.org (Arlen Christian Mart Cuss)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:07:56 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135922770.11114.113.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43B4C890.8060101@sairyx.org>
	<1135922770.11114.113.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B4CEBC.9030601@sairyx.org>

The same. But, when I `man dash', I get the *man page* for `sh'. *sh* is 
a link to bash.

celtic at xyrias:~$ ls -l `which sh`
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-02 04:13 /bin/sh -> bash
celtic at xyrias:~$



Vram wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:41 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
>  
>
>>The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
>>`sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
>>*/
>>    
>>
>
>
>vram at Aether:~ $ ls -l `which dash`
>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 83960 2004-10-26 08:42 /bin/dash
>
>What do you get???
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>>     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>>     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>>     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>>     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>>    whatever. If
>>     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>>     > > explanation for the items.
>>     >
>>     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>>     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>>    of this,
>>     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>>     > facts straight, Vram, please.
>>     >
>>     > William.
>>
>>    Thanks for the feed back...
>>
>>    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
>>
>>    If you look through /bin
>>
>>    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
>>
>>
>>    But, then again I think the man page lied...
>>
>>
>>    I am trying to get my facts straight..
>>
>>    Thank YOU!!! hehe
>>
>>    Vram
>>
>>
>>
>>    -- 
>>    ubuntu-users mailing list
>>    ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>    http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>>*/
>>
>>Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
>>     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
>>     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
>>     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
>>     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
>>    whatever. If
>>     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
>>     > > explanation for the items.
>>     >
>>     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
>>     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
>>    of this,
>>     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
>>     > facts straight, Vram, please.
>>     >
>>     > William.
>>
>>    Thanks for the feed back...
>>
>>    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
>>
>>    If you look through /bin
>>
>>    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
>>
>>
>>    But, then again I think the man page lied...
>>
>>
>>    I am trying to get my facts straight..
>>
>>    Thank YOU!!! hehe
>>
>>    Vram
>>
>>
>>
>>    -- 
>>    ubuntu-users mailing list
>>    ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>    http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>




From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 30 06:13:39 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:13:39 +1300
Subject: Dual Boot Problem - Linux BootLoaders
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> Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
> leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
> a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
> times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).
> 
> The root and kernel lign came with:
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> root            (hd0,6)
> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> instead of root=/dev/hda7

Do you have a separate /boot partition?
My disk has:
tim at marvin:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1               1          12       96358+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2              13        7307    58597087+  83  Linux
/dev/hda3            7308       24321   136664955    5  Extended
/dev/hda5            7308       15209    63472783+  83  Linux
/dev/hda6           15210       23719    68356543+  83  Linux
/dev/hda7           23720       24321     4835533+  82  Linux swap /
Solaris
tim at marvin:~$ mount
/dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
/dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)
/dev/hda5 on /home type ext3 (rw)
/dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)


and grub has:
title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 
root		(hd0,0)
kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
initrd		/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
savedefault
boot

This means that grub is operating inside the /boot partition /dev/hda1 =
(hd0,0), but loading /dev/hda2 as the file system root directory.
> 
> what a fun! :(
> I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.

You may be able to eliminate the "splash" from new kernels, by changing
the line 
	# nonaltoptions=quiet splash

to read as follows:
	# nonaltoptions=quiet 

(This works because the options in that commented line are copied to
each linux stanza created during a kernel upgrade.)

Of course, you still need to remove the "splash" option from the
existing kernel entries, since that line is only used when a new kernel
is installed.

> 
> That's why I would consider studying Lilo further, and experiment. Why not ?
> a '/sbin/lilo' after a kernel update is not a big deal to invoke after 
> all. Do anyone know and use it ?
> Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 




From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 06:19:58 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:19:58 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
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On 12/30/05, Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
> And I found it just the opposite...
>
> Friendly, knowledgeable people...
>
> Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian!!!
>
> """My story and I am sticking with it."""
>
I agree that Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian, but it
also would not be what it is without it's community :-)

The only question for me is:
Does a distro make it's community or a community make a distro? :-)

--
www.modmeup.net
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
"Gratitude can be poisonous; it forces you to be beneath me and me to
be superior instead of equals." - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, States of
Grace.



From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 06:24:15 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:24:15 +0100
Subject: Linux BootLoaders
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Vram a écrit :
> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 06:39 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
>>>Lilo is going back in time..
>>>It doesn't have the power of GRUB.
>>
>>>I can't think of any reason to go backwards.
>>>Vram
>>I've read that many times from people, but when my BIOS was too old and 
>>had to
>>be updated, (but I searched what and why, before trying) and when my 
>>connecteurs and cables were not quite good, before I changed them, and 
>>got disk boot failures with 'Grub 21 error' as it could not see the HDD, 
>>I reinstalled a distro with lilo, and lilo booted the distro (with 
>>errors when invoking lilo, but it booted). Lilo can also handle 
>>dual-boot very well (multiboot I'm not sure).

>>Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
>>leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
>>a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
>>times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).

>>The root and kernel lign came with:
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>root            (hd0,6)
>>kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>instead of root=/dev/hda7

>>what a fun! :(
>>I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.
>>That's why I would consider studying Lilo further, and experiment. Why not ?
>>a '/sbin/lilo' after a kernel update is not a big deal to invoke after 
>>all. Do anyone know and use it ?
>>Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> Ok.. So I used it for years.. What do you want to know???
> I resisted switching to GRUB!!!!
> Vram
If you don't have Lilo now, you can't play, sorry :))
I have questions about how to deal with the /etc/lilo.conf file ;)
And how to handle multiboot with it.
Grub is a mini-os, and that's fun to play with, and also edit the lines 
at boot and so on. That's true.
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm

Here snow, and cold, all over the place. Time to drink a coffee :)
Joyce Markoll.


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From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 06:20:56 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:20:56 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
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On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 22:06 -0800, Vram wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:41 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> > The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
> > `sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
> > */
> 
> 
> vram at Aether:~ $ ls -l `which dash`
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 83960 2004-10-26 08:42 /bin/dash
> 
> What do you get???

It is nothing about the binary itself, but the man page (got with 'man
dash') is simply redirected to the man page for sh, which is in fact
just a link to bash. I get approximately the same output as you, nothing
that makes any difference.

William.
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 06:27:17 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:27:17 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
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peace!!!!

Vram


On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 17:07 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> The same. But, when I `man dash', I get the *man page* for `sh'. *sh* is 
> a link to bash.
> 
> celtic at xyrias:~$ ls -l `which sh`
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-02 04:13 /bin/sh -> bash
> celtic at xyrias:~$
> 
> 
> 
> Vram wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:41 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>The man page for `dash'? Typically that just gives you the man page for 
> >>`sh', which is a symlink to `bash'! :)
> >>*/
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >vram at Aether:~ $ ls -l `which dash`
> >-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 83960 2004-10-26 08:42 /bin/dash
> >
> >What do you get???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> >>     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> >>     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> >>     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> >>     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
> >>    whatever. If
> >>     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> >>     > > explanation for the items.
> >>     >
> >>     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
> >>     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
> >>    of this,
> >>     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
> >>     > facts straight, Vram, please.
> >>     >
> >>     > William.
> >>
> >>    Thanks for the feed back...
> >>
> >>    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> >>
> >>    If you look through /bin
> >>
> >>    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> >>
> >>
> >>    But, then again I think the man page lied...
> >>
> >>
> >>    I am trying to get my facts straight..
> >>
> >>    Thank YOU!!! hehe
> >>
> >>    Vram
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    -- 
> >>    ubuntu-users mailing list
> >>    ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >>    http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >>
> >>*/
> >>
> >>Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>    On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:10 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> >>     > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:20 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> >>     > > It's not a shell called Ubuntu. In the synaptic pkg. mgr., if you
> >>     > > switch to status mode, at the end of the line for each item under
> >>     > > installed version/latest version, it will say Ubuntu or
> >>    whatever. If
> >>     > > you open the tabs in the lower box, you can get a description and
> >>     > > explanation for the items.
> >>     >
> >>     > The default shell that Ubuntu (along with the vast majority of other
> >>     > distributions) uses is bash. bash = Bourne Again SHell. Because
> >>    of this,
> >>     > commands for bash will run fine in bash, therefor in Ubuntu. Get your
> >>     > facts straight, Vram, please.
> >>     >
> >>     > William.
> >>
> >>    Thanks for the feed back...
> >>
> >>    And the reason I thought dash was the default shell..
> >>
> >>    If you look through /bin
> >>
> >>    Dash is the second shell and the man page says it is the default shell
> >>
> >>
> >>    But, then again I think the man page lied...
> >>
> >>
> >>    I am trying to get my facts straight..
> >>
> >>    Thank YOU!!! hehe
> >>
> >>    Vram
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    -- 
> >>    ubuntu-users mailing list
> >>    ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> >>    http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 




From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 30 06:31:41 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:31:41 +1300
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 17:07 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> The same. But, when I `man dash', I get the *man page* for `sh'. *sh* is 
> a link to bash.

But the man page is the *BSD* sh man page:
SH(1)                     BSD General Commands Manual                    SH(1)

NAME
     sh - command interpreter (shell)


By comparison, both "man sh" and "man bash" get the man page for GNU
Bourne-Again SHell:
BASH(1)                                                                BASH(1)

NAME
       bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell

tim at marvin:~$ ls -l /usr/share/man/*/*sh.*.gz
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 69525 2005-10-06 01:16 /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   713 2005-08-23 07:49 /usr/share/man/man1/bsh.1.gz
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1500 2005-10-12 05:14 /usr/share/man/man1/chsh.1.gz
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 21078 2005-05-12 21:26 /usr/share/man/man1/dash.1.gz
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     9 2005-12-12 18:47 /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz -> bash.1.gz

So there is a distinction.
> 
> celtic at xyrias:~$ ls -l `which sh`
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-02 04:13 /bin/sh -> bash
> celtic at xyrias:~$


Tim





From ttmrichter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 06:39:19 2005
From: ttmrichter at gmail.com (Michael Richter)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:39:19 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
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>
> >> What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> the deal?


for me it was the community.
>
I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.


Wow.  Sounds like why I don't use Lisp (or play Chess or Weiqi, for that
matter).  User communities ignore the realities of human interaction (with
all of its foibles and irrationalities) at their own risk.
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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 06:47:10 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:47:10 -0800
Subject: Linux BootLoaders
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On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 07:24 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> Vram a écrit :
> > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 06:39 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> >>>Lilo is going back in time..
> >>>It doesn't have the power of GRUB.
> >>
> >>>I can't think of any reason to go backwards.
> >>>Vram
> >>I've read that many times from people, but when my BIOS was too old and 
> >>had to
> >>be updated, (but I searched what and why, before trying) and when my 
> >>connecteurs and cables were not quite good, before I changed them, and 
> >>got disk boot failures with 'Grub 21 error' as it could not see the HDD, 
> >>I reinstalled a distro with lilo, and lilo booted the distro (with 
> >>errors when invoking lilo, but it booted). Lilo can also handle 
> >>dual-boot very well (multiboot I'm not sure).
> 
> >>Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
> >>leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
> >>a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
> >>times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).
> 
> >>The root and kernel lign came with:
> >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>root            (hd0,6)
> >>kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
> >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>instead of root=/dev/hda7
> 
> >>what a fun! :(
> >>I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.
> >>That's why I would consider studying Lilo further, and experiment. Why not ?
> >>a '/sbin/lilo' after a kernel update is not a big deal to invoke after 
> >>all. Do anyone know and use it ?
> >>Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.
> > Ok.. So I used it for years.. What do you want to know???
> > I resisted switching to GRUB!!!!
> > Vram
> If you don't have Lilo now, you can't play, sorry :))
> I have questions about how to deal with the /etc/lilo.conf file ;)
> And how to handle multiboot with it.
> Grub is a mini-os, and that's fun to play with, and also edit the lines 
> at boot and so on. That's true.
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm
> 
> Here snow, and cold, all over the place. Time to drink a coffee :)
> Joyce Markoll.
> 



Here is a good link...\


http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/linux_install/lilo.html

Good luck...

And I don't have cattle either..

I buy meat at the store..

But, I still understand cattle..

Vram



> 




From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 06:52:13 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:52:13 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem - Linux BootLoaders
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Tim Frost a écrit :
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>root            (hd0,6)
>>kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
>>
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>instead of root=/dev/hda7

> Do you have a separate /boot partition?
Never. I typically make a / a swap a /usr and sometimes a /var and then 
the /home but the /boot, never. (Not yet, at least).

> My disk has:
> tim at marvin:~$ sudo fdisk -l

> Disk /dev/hda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1               1          12       96358+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda2              13        7307    58597087+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda3            7308       24321   136664955    5  Extended
> /dev/hda5            7308       15209    63472783+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda6           15210       23719    68356543+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda7           23720       24321     4835533+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> tim at marvin:~$ mount
> /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda5 on /home type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)

> and grub has:
> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 
> root		(hd0,0)
> kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
> initrd		/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386
> savedefault
> boot

> This means that grub is operating inside the /boot partition /dev/hda1 =
> (hd0,0), but loading /dev/hda2 as the file system root directory.
yes, with a /boot separated and 'living' at hda2  :)


 > Disk /dev/hdb: 30.6 GB, 30606151680 bytes
 > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3720 cylinders
 > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

 >   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
 > /dev/hdb1               1         802     6442033+  83  Linux

Mine:
Disk /dev/hda: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 158816 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes

    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *           1        6525     3288568+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2            6526      158816    76754633    5  Extended
/dev/hda5            6526        8611     1051312+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda6            8623       31142    11349891   83  Linux
/dev/hda7           31142       40832     4883728+  83  Linux
/dev/hda8           40832       54395     6835626   83  Linux
/dev/hda9           54395       67958     6835626   83  Linux
/dev/hda10          67958       89266    10739421   83  Linux
/dev/hda11          89267      158816    35053200   83  Linux


Several OS, cfdisk would be more accurate:
Pri/Log    Espace libre                                       0,04  *
hda5    NC Logique    Linux swap / Sol     1076,55  * 
             Logique    Espace libre                       5,78  *
hda6       Logique    Linux ext3                          11622,33  *
hda7       Logique    Linux ext3         [/]               5000,98  *
hda8       Logique    Linux ext3         [/usr]            6999,72  *
hda9       Logique    Linux ext3         [/var]            6999,72  *
hda10      Logique    Linux ext3         [null]           10997,20  *
hda11      Logique    Linux ext3         [/home]          35894,51  *

>>what a fun! :(
>>I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.
> You may be able to eliminate the "splash" from new kernels, by changing
> the line 
> 	# nonaltoptions=quiet splash
> to read as follows:
> 	# nonaltoptions=quiet 
> (This works because the options in that commented line are copied to
> each linux stanza created during a kernel upgrade.)

> Of course, you still need to remove the "splash" option from the
> existing kernel entries, since that line is only used when a new kernel
> is installed.
Ok. What about kernel compilation when kernel updates come so frequently ?
Is it worth it ? (I haven't gone into reading docs about compilation 
until now, and do not want to take time momently) so is it interesting 
to modify just one option ?

>>Thanks, and best greetings, Joyce Markoll.



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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 06:59:13 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:59:13 +0100
Subject: Linux BootLoaders
In-Reply-To: <1135925230.11114.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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	<1135925230.11114.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Vram a écrit :
> Here is a good link...\
> http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/linux_install/lilo.html 
> Good luck...
Tanks  :)

> And I don't have cattle either.. I buy meat at the store..
> But, I still understand cattle..
> Vram
Why not ?
Joyce Markoll.


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From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 07:04:05 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:04:05 -0800
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135924301.11092.83.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43B4C890.8060101@sairyx.org>
	<1135922770.11114.113.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B4CEBC.9030601@sairyx.org>
	<1135924301.11092.83.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135926246.11114.137.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 19:31 +1300, Tim Frost wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 17:07 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
> > The same. But, when I `man dash', I get the *man page* for `sh'. *sh* is 
> > a link to bash.
> 
> But the man page is the *BSD* sh man page:
> SH(1)                     BSD General Commands Manual                    SH(1)
> 
> NAME
>      sh - command interpreter (shell)
> 
> 
> By comparison, both "man sh" and "man bash" get the man page for GNU
> Bourne-Again SHell:
> BASH(1)                                                                BASH(1)
> 
> NAME
>        bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell
> 
> tim at marvin:~$ ls -l /usr/share/man/*/*sh.*.gz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 69525 2005-10-06 01:16 /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   713 2005-08-23 07:49 /usr/share/man/man1/bsh.1.gz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  1500 2005-10-12 05:14 /usr/share/man/man1/chsh.1.gz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 21078 2005-05-12 21:26 /usr/share/man/man1/dash.1.gz
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     9 2005-12-12 18:47 /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz -> bash.1.gz
> 
> So there is a distinction.
> > 
> > celtic at xyrias:~$ ls -l `which sh`
> > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-02 04:13 /bin/sh -> bash
> > celtic at xyrias:~$
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> 


I think FreeBSD is the ONLY one to run sh...

Someone correct me if I am wrong...


Vram




> 




From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Fri Dec 30 07:01:09 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:01:09 +0200
Subject: How do I run a shell
Message-ID: <s3b4f742.076@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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My objective was to learn how to run shells - not to create an alternative  to ls!

***************
Or just create a dir alias for ls ... and then you do not have to worry
about anything else.

Marius





From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 07:06:21 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:06:21 -0800
Subject: Linux BootLoaders
In-Reply-To: <43B4DAC1.4070505@free.fr>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>
	<1135919516.11114.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B4C7F7.2010506@free.fr>
	<1135922936.11114.116.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B4D28F.2030507@free.fr>
	<1135925230.11114.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B4DAC1.4070505@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1135926381.11114.138.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 07:59 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> Vram a écrit :
> > Here is a good link...\
> > http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/linux_install/lilo.html 
> > Good luck...
> Tanks  :)
> 
> > And I don't have cattle either.. I buy meat at the store..
> > But, I still understand cattle..
> > Vram
> Why not ?
> Joyce Markoll.
> 
> 

Hehehe


Takes too much acreage!!!!


And who wants to get up and milk them???

Vram





From ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com  Fri Dec 30 07:20:54 2005
From: ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com (BBBB)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:20:54 -0600
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
References: <E1Erk4p-0001xC-Ga@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43B48504.2090106@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <014101c60d11$97c3bb30$6401a8c0@dvdburner>

From: "Gian Piero Carzino"
> (snip)
> I mean I commented out (# on first column) the lines:
>  Load "GLcore"
>  Load "glx"
>  Load "int10"
> in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>
> > Do you have your screen running at native resolution? (1280 X 800,
right?)
>
> Yes
>
> > Do you have 3D acceleration with the fglrx driver?
>
> NO. I have no 3D acceleration (The package description says it provides
> hardware OpenGL; maybe I was too conservative unloading also glx, but
> the ATI driver continued to refuse to load, so when I found a
> combination that worked, I stopped trying).
>
> > The download I tried from ATI had an Ubuntu option but I couldn't get it
to
> > work.
>
> Well, as Filipe Bonjour has suggested, it's far better to use the
> packages from the Ubuntu repositories: they can be installed with no
> harm with Synaptic (simply check that "restricted" is included in the
> repository list).
> I installed:
> fglrx-control
> and
> xorg-driver-fglrx
> then
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
> (remember to choose fglrx as driver, then select resolution 1280x800 and
> unselect the default ones)
> then commented out in the xorg.conf just generated the lines indicated
above
>
> > I am still at a beginner level but would like to have my HP ZV6270US
display
> > working properly.

I managed to get the fglrx driver working with "GLcore" and "glx" loaded but
the 3d is still jerky.

I still can not get my screen to 1280 X 800.
I just can't figure out why it is stuck at a streched out 1024 X 768
My xorg.conf is below. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bradley

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
        # paths to defoma fonts
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "GLcore"
Load "i2c"
Load "bitmap"
Load "ddc"
# Load "dri"
# Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
# Load "int10"
# Load "type1"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Xpress 200M (RS480)"
Driver "fglrx"
BusID "PCI:1:5:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generic Monitor"
Option "DPMS"
HorizSync 30-67
VertRefresh 30-60
Modeline "1280x800 at 60" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Xpress 200M (RS480)"
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection





From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 07:25:31 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:25:31 +0100
Subject: Linux BootLoaders -  cows  [OT]
In-Reply-To: <1135926381.11114.138.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>	<1135919516.11114.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43B4C7F7.2010506@free.fr>	<1135922936.11114.116.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43B4D28F.2030507@free.fr>	<1135925230.11114.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43B4DAC1.4070505@free.fr>
	<1135926381.11114.138.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B4E0EB.20706@free.fr>

Vram a écrit :
> And who wants to get up and milk them???
> Vram
Cron ?  :D
Joyce Markoll.


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 07:34:03 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:34:03 -0500
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
References: <E1Erk4p-0001xC-Ga@esperanza.ubuntu.com><43B48504.2090106@tiscali.it>
	<014101c60d11$97c3bb30$6401a8c0@dvdburner>
Message-ID: <shanmuha.20uecm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Ensure that you donot have restricted-modules installed... and then
install the latest ati driver from the ati website (the binary .run
file)... it works - I got a 1200X800 with 3D Acceleration on!!


-- 
shanmuha



From behrangsa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 07:53:40 2005
From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:23:40 +0330
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually,
	Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics resolved?
In-Reply-To: <20051229164736.68284.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <3c743c460512290827s239aaf21sc4373ed02992a023@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229164736.68284.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2991d56c0512292353w19dc5bfeqa0722c7b644b4774@mail.gmail.com>

As I look at the kernel.org I see that 2.6.14.5 is out. Does it mean
that this issue is probably resolved now?

-Behi
--
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary limit" - Alan Turing

Behrang Saeedzadeh
http://www.jroller.com/page/behrangsa
http://my.opera.com/behrangsa



From CairnsWW at eskom.co.za  Fri Dec 30 08:11:38 2005
From: CairnsWW at eskom.co.za (Bill Cairns)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:11:38 +0200
Subject: How do I run a shell
Message-ID: <s3b507bf.046@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>

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OK - so I made a huge mistake calling my test shell "dir" !

First - it made people think that I was looking for an alternative to typing "ls". (Heck - I prefer "ls" to "dir"!) All I was doing was tring to make a tiny shell that I could try and execute. I started with a much bigger shell, but did not want it to run every time I tested it.

Secondly - I did not realise that SuSe already had a "dir" alias. So I ended up executing the wrong one by mistake. So on SuSe, I changed my file to "bills" (original) and it still ran, according to plan, in directory bin. So bin is obviously on the path by default.

Last night I was drug off to see a pantomime (very good it was too ...), but tonight I will try and modify bashrc as advised.

Thanks for all the help.




From bmarcum at iglou.com  Fri Dec 30 07:19:08 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:19:08 -0500
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<42b9a27d0512290837p30e842a8kf7fb4951e40cb751@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ck3f83-v24.ln1@don.localnet>

["Followup-To:" header set to gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.]
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:07:46 +0530, Santanu Chatterjee 
  <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> However, what I require is to set keybindings to activate some
> gnome-applets for which I cannot find any suitable command, and
> without a command to activate them, how do I bind them to a
> shortcut?
>
Gnome panel applets are located in /usr/lib/gnome-applets.


-- 
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
		-- Messiah's Handbook : Reminders for the Advanced Soul




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 08:14:15 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:14:15 -0500
Subject: Wine on Ubuntu AMD64
References: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jvalatka.20ug7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It seems to me that Wine is just not available for 64-bit environments,
at least not without fancy tricks.  Search all forums with "Wine" and
"AMD64" for possible solutions.


-- 
jvalatka



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 08:18:10 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:18:10 -0500
Subject: Mac On Linux
References: <AB242DD3-6748-444D-B154-8504E1D83391@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <gruepig.20ug7a@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Peter Gort Wrote: 
> I haven't touched Ubuntu in about

> a year, and it's really come on...so much so that I'd like to see if I

> can stay in it more in my professional time, which means I HAVE to be

> able to run Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.

> 



I was just trying to get mol/tiger working this weekend, but have not
had much luck yet (with the tiger part; mol runs fine).



http://www.maconlinux.org, the project homepage, lists support for OS X
10.1-10.3.3.  Their last release was in March, before 10.4.



Searching yielded a bunch of problems and questions about when support
for Tiger would be available, and finally patches:



http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~nissler/mol/

http://tinyurl.com/bwaxe



And a few folks who have this working:



http://tinyurl.com/a6v8c

http://tinyurl.com/dolpg



So it seems like you should be able to get this working with (at
least!) a bit of hacking.


-- 
gruepig



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Fri Dec 30 07:43:29 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:43:29 -0500
Subject: Reader for Palm database files
References: <1135808024.9115.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <125f83-o26.ln1@don.localnet>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:13:43 -0500, Harry Wert 
  <hwert at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --===============1108837928==
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-BbQB0zJbHANWYEmmFrzs"
>
>
> --=-BbQB0zJbHANWYEmmFrzs
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Does anyone know of a Linux reader for reading the backup database files
> which my Palm PDA stores on my hard drive? Thanks in advance.
>
pilot-link and txt2pdbdoc are two packages that may be helpful.  You may 
find others by searching in aptitude or synaptic for "pilot|palm|pdb"


-- 
"Let every man teach his son, teach his daughter, that labor is honorable."
-- Robert G. Ingersoll




From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 08:39:36 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:39:36 +1100
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (& NTFS problems)
In-Reply-To: <014101c60d11$97c3bb30$6401a8c0@dvdburner>
References: <E1Erk4p-0001xC-Ga@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43B48504.2090106@tiscali.it>
	<014101c60d11$97c3bb30$6401a8c0@dvdburner>
Message-ID: <1135931976.27904.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 01:20 -0600, BBBB wrote:
> From: "Gian Piero Carzino"
> > (snip)
> > I mean I commented out (# on first column) the lines:
> >  Load "GLcore"
> >  Load "glx"
> >  Load "int10"
> > in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> >
> > > Do you have your screen running at native resolution? (1280 X 800,
> right?)
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > Do you have 3D acceleration with the fglrx driver?
> >
> > NO. I have no 3D acceleration (The package description says it provides
> > hardware OpenGL; maybe I was too conservative unloading also glx, but
> > the ATI driver continued to refuse to load, so when I found a
> > combination that worked, I stopped trying).
> >
> > > The download I tried from ATI had an Ubuntu option but I couldn't get it
> to
> > > work.
> >
> > Well, as Filipe Bonjour has suggested, it's far better to use the
> > packages from the Ubuntu repositories: they can be installed with no
> > harm with Synaptic (simply check that "restricted" is included in the
> > repository list).
> > I installed:
> > fglrx-control
> > and
> > xorg-driver-fglrx
> > then
> > sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
> > (remember to choose fglrx as driver, then select resolution 1280x800 and
> > unselect the default ones)
> > then commented out in the xorg.conf just generated the lines indicated
> above
> >
> > > I am still at a beginner level but would like to have my HP ZV6270US
> display
> > > working properly.
> 
> I managed to get the fglrx driver working with "GLcore" and "glx" loaded but
> the 3d is still jerky.
> 
> I still can not get my screen to 1280 X 800.
> I just can't figure out why it is stuck at a streched out 1024 X 768
> My xorg.conf is below. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bradley

Your video is integrated onto the motherboard, an Intel 915, I believe.
A hack is required in order to get odd resolutions like that to be
accepted, so you need to use 915resolution
(http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/). 

I hope this works...

William.
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 08:49:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:49:58 -0500
Subject: (still newbie) kernel compilation issues
References: <3c743c460512181716w3e0dabf6s272a1c279c371e63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <tseliot.20ui1y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


You should install the nvidia driver again because you have to compile
the nvidia module for each kernel of yours.



If you want to use the xserver again follow these steps:

sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf



Set the driver to "nv" instead of "nvidia" in the Section "Device" like
in the example below:



Section "Device"

Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache]"

Driver "nv"

BusID "PCI:1:0:0"





CTRL+O to save (yes, use the same name and overwrite the file)

CTRL+X to exit



Then  type:

startx


-- 
tseliot



From bmarcum at iglou.com  Fri Dec 30 08:16:00 2005
From: bmarcum at iglou.com (Bill Marcum)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:16:00 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 5.10 minumum requirements
References: <5d4e119a0512271503n514d22d4j7f6719c70b520a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B1CFB1.4FC5@ij.net> <43B1FB7A.2040802@grm.net>
	<20051228031953.GB4098@box.jynn.tonix.org>
Message-ID: <0v6f83-ok7.ln1@don.localnet>

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:19:53 +0000, David Hart 
  <ubuntu at tonix.org> wrote:
>
> If you want a usable system in that context I would say the previous
> poster was spot on - 4GB is a minimum.
>
> Engarde Linux is a server system without a desktop and completely
> useless for that purpose.
>
Damn Small Linux would be a better example of a system that fits in 
less than 4 GB.


-- 
Horace's best ode would not please a young woman as much as the mediocre
verses of the young man she is in love with.
		-- Moore




From stsykin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 09:25:29 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:25:29 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu and Pentium 630
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512300125x1f99c4ffh9da8d54c719ec491@mail.gmail.com>

The Pentium 630 can run either i386 or amd64 versions of Ubuntu, or linux
generally. If you use flash a lot, then use i386 because flash works badly
in 64-bit. Although there is a workaround posted in the forums. Otherwise,
use 64-bit linux.
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From stsykin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 09:31:56 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:31:56 -0800
Subject: Is Ubuntu's (actually,
	Linux's) problem with nVidia graphics resolved?
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512300131t5a5876d0k4fa46ff07ca32578@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

The problem is with the default nvidia drivers. These are open source and
have issues. The simplest workaround is to type in a terminal:

sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
sudo nvidia-glx-config enable

This will not however install the 32-bit compatability libraries. For those
the official nvidia binaries will be necessary.

Sasha
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From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 09:34:14 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:34:14 +0200
Subject: a little samba help
In-Reply-To: <43B4ADAD.6020503@wadesmart.com>
References: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com> <43B4ADAD.6020503@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135935254.25505.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:46 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> 12292005 2144 GMT-5
> 
> Let me ask a totally different question. 
> 
> I have a cable modem. I have my desktop plugged into the ethernet
> port. I have a laptop with XP (my wifes) accessing through the
> wireless port. I really just want to allow them to share some files,
> and allow the laptop to use the printer. 
> 
> Im trying to set up samba with lots of difficulty. Im following the
> guide but its not making a lot of sense overall. Neither computer can
> see the other. 
> 
> Is this really the only way to do this? 
> 
> Wade
> 
> 
Make sure you create each user that will access your samba share. Make
sure you disable firewalls on the xp box. Make sure you wait a while
before plugging in and setting up the network so that the servers are
found.

I managed to make the xp box see my ubuntu samba share perfectly
(something that I couldn't do with windows) but I still can't see the xp
box from here.

So some help would be appreciated for me too.




From cyber_wizard at mindspring.com  Fri Dec 30 09:37:34 2005
From: cyber_wizard at mindspring.com (Cybe R. Wizard)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:37:34 -0600
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <1135918283.11114.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1135918283.11114.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230033734.3ca49e3f@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:51:23 -0800
Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:02 +0800, Senectus . wrote:
> > > > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their
> > > > heads? What's
> > > the deal?
> > for me it was the community.
> > I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> > Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.
> 
> 
> And I found it just the opposite...
> 
> Friendly, knowledgeable people...
> 
> Ubuntu would not be what it is without Debian!!!
> 
> """My story and I am sticking with it."""
> 
> Vram
> 
I agree with you but also can see how the Debian mailing list can seem
intimidating to some, what  with their curt but informative answers.
When you are on the side of the road with a dead car it's somewhat
irksome for someone to drive by and shout, "try the battery hose or the
fuel cable,"  Even if they are right (unlikely in my scenario) it will
bother you.
That's the Debian community.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Q: What's the difference between MicroSoft Windows and a virus? 
A: Apart from the fact that viruses are supported by their authors, 
use optimized, small code and usually perform well, none.
		Winduhs



From otte at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 09:38:03 2005
From: otte at optusnet.com.au (Andrew Otte)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:38:03 +1000
Subject: bluetooth dongle stops boot.
Message-ID: <200512301938.03736.otte@optusnet.com.au>

Hi,
Am a bit of a newbie and are being driven crazy by my MS bluetooth mouse and 
dongle on kubuntu breezy.
To get the mouse scrolling had to apply a bluez patch to a vanilla kernel 
(2.6.14.3) and build.  After much fiddling it works.  But now I have 
intermittent hangs at boot time.  When the splash screen is on it stops at 
the loading modules stage and sometimes turns to a blank screen.
When splash is off it stops at 
usb 1-2.3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5
and sometimes
usb 1-2.2: device descriptor read/all, error -110
I discovered if I unplug the dongle it boots every time.  Then after the 
modules say they have loaded I plug it back in and all works fine.

So what do I have to do to stop this?
Can I switch something off so that the dongle isn't probed at boot time?
Any help appreciated.

-- 
---------------------------------------
Andrew Otte
Laildey, Queensland
Australia
otte at optusnet.com.au
---------------------------------------



From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 09:48:35 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:48:35 -0800
Subject: a little samba help
In-Reply-To: <43B4ADAD.6020503@wadesmart.com>
References: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com> <43B4ADAD.6020503@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135936115.13812.144.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:46 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> I have a cable modem. I have my desktop plugged into the ethernet
> port. I have a laptop with XP (my wifes) accessing through the
> wireless port. I really just want to allow them to share some files,
> and allow the laptop to use the printer.
> 
> I'm trying to set up samba with lots of difficulty. I'm following the
> guide but its not making a lot of sense overall. Neither computer can
> see the other. 
> 
> Is this really the only way to do this?

No, it's not. If you enable access to the printer server, the laptop can
access the printer without Samba.  See:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP

I found that by searching for "print" at the Wiki.

The Ubuntu Linux machine can already access files shared from XP.  To do
so, go to Places, Network Servers, Windows Network, and find the XP
shared folders there.  If they don't show up, then you'll have to tweak
the share settings from XP, and IIRC maybe wait 5 minutes or so for the
browse protocol to do what it does.

If XP is capable of visiting an ftp:// URL, then you can avoid
installing Samba by instead installing an ftp server, such as 'vsftpd'.
I think it will work out-of-the-box, though you may want to limit access
to it to only machines inside your network.  Do this by ensuring that
the incoming FTP ports are blocked in your cable modem's network route
filtering rules.  They are probably blocked unless explicitly enabled.

>From inside your LAN, you can then access files with a URL like:

  ftp://myname at the.host.my.lan/home/myname/the/file/path.txt

Maybe Windows XP has a virtual file system layer like GnomeVFS that will
allow applications to visit that file directly, or maybe you'll have to
copy it over first, then copy it back when you are done editing.

If you decide you really do need Samba, then also install Swat, and
configure Samba using a web browser at: http://localhost:901/  Swat
makes it a lot easier to get working.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:00:54 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:00:54 -0800
Subject: Command line use and shell scripting reading list
In-Reply-To: <43B4BF45.7060806@free.fr>
References: <1135909581.11114.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230032044.32810.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20051230154119.bc96ad8a.peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
	<43B4BF45.7060806@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1135936855.13812.151.camel@journeyhawk>

Here's a reading list for those of you who would like to learn more
about using the command line and shell scripting.

 http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz

 http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html

 http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/

Also see the Linux Documentation Project:

 http://www.tldp.org/guides.html

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From celtic at sairyx.org  Fri Dec 30 10:12:41 2005
From: celtic at sairyx.org (Arlen Christian Mart Cuss)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:12:41 +1100
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135924301.11092.83.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43B4C890.8060101@sairyx.org>	<1135922770.11114.113.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43B4CEBC.9030601@sairyx.org>
	<1135924301.11092.83.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B50819.6000106@sairyx.org>

An excellent point. I stand corrected!

Tim Frost wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 17:07 +1100, Arlen Christian Mart Cuss wrote:
>  
>
>>The same. But, when I `man dash', I get the *man page* for `sh'. *sh* is 
>>a link to bash.
>>    
>>
>
>But the man page is the *BSD* sh man page:
>SH(1)                     BSD General Commands Manual                    SH(1)
>
>NAME
>     sh - command interpreter (shell)
>
>
>By comparison, both "man sh" and "man bash" get the man page for GNU
>Bourne-Again SHell:
>BASH(1)                                                                BASH(1)
>
>NAME
>       bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell
>
>tim at marvin:~$ ls -l /usr/share/man/*/*sh.*.gz
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root 69525 2005-10-06 01:16 /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root   713 2005-08-23 07:49 /usr/share/man/man1/bsh.1.gz
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1500 2005-10-12 05:14 /usr/share/man/man1/chsh.1.gz
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root 21078 2005-05-12 21:26 /usr/share/man/man1/dash.1.gz
>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     9 2005-12-12 18:47 /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz -> bash.1.gz
>
>So there is a distinction.
>  
>
>>celtic at xyrias:~$ ls -l `which sh`
>>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 4 2005-12-02 04:13 /bin/sh -> bash
>>celtic at xyrias:~$
>>    
>>
>
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>  
>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:17:09 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:17:09 -0800
Subject: How to understand computers (Was: Re: Dual Boot Problem)
In-Reply-To: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135937829.13812.164.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:14 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> I don't know any other words to explain it!  I talked to several
> people that use both programs, and they all said "Don't run Linux,
> then Windows!"  The difference in the programs will cause a conflict
> in each.  They offered no technical explanation, but after looking at
> the languages and command structure, I can only surmise that it has
> something to do with either the Debian nature, or the difference in
> binary.  I do know that it caused a mess on my PC, and it was only 5-6
> months old!  I'm still looking for a explanation!

I think that in order to explain it, we will have to write a number of
books for you to read.  Happily, there already are a few.  If you really
want to know a lot more about what is actually occurring inside of your
computer, then I suggest that you start by opening the Synaptic package
manager (System --> Administration --> Synaptic Package Manager).
Enable the Universe repository from the Settings --> Repositories
dialog, and then click Search and have it find 'drscheme'.  Select it
form installation, allowing it to also install the dependencies.

Once you have it, close Synaptic, then start FireFox and visit:

 http://www.htdp.org/

... make a bookmark, and begin reading.  If you give it an hour or two
every day, you'll understand enough by the end of the book to be very
well prepared for the _next_ step.

You can create a panel launcher for DrScheme by right clicking on the
panel, selecting +Add to panel, then picking Custom Application
Launcher.  The name is "DrScheme", and the command is "drscheme".  For
an icon, click the icon box, then browse to /usr/lib/plt/collects/icons/
and pick one you like.  (I use mred.gif).

Another really good source of computer knowledge is Wikipedia and How
Stuff Works:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/

 http://www.howstuffworks.com/

There is no substitute for working through the material in HTDP.  The
case the authors make in the preface with regards to why programming
should be taught to liberal arts students as well as to computer science
students is very well stated and quite convincing.  Read it and see what
I mean.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:18:13 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:18:13 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230040403.54438.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230040403.54438.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135937893.13812.166.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 20:04 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> Do I need to call an exorcist?

No, you need to become one!  ;-p

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:19:50 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:19:50 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135937991.13812.168.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:26 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> I think I'll get some Holy Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a
> little cross on the monitor!  It couldn't hurt!

Actually, it works best if you drink the water, and place a stuffed
penguin on the monitor, rather than a cross.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Fri Dec 30 10:24:55 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:24:55 +0100
Subject: USB headsets : can't get the mic to work ...
In-Reply-To: <54f1b6eb0512292000v3115adbcv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1135852225.8425.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135893803.8455.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<54f1b6eb0512292000v3115adbcv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135938295.4896.8.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 12:00 +0800, Brian Walker wrote:
> So what was the solution? I have the same problem ...

It's in the volume control panel. I noticed that there were TWO devices
related to USB: "Logitech USB Headset (ALSA mixer)" which has all the
controls on it, but there is also one called "USB Mixer (OSS Mixer)",
which has nothing but a microphone slider on it... and it was all the
way DOWN. I turned it up, then switched back to the other (more
complete) USB device.  I don't understand why there were two controls
for the mic, go figure...

The headset is not working 100% though: when I press the +/- buttons on
the remote control, a little progress bar pops up on the screen and
moves as I operate the remote control, but the volume doesn't actually
change, nor does the "Speaker" volume slider move.
I will file a bug about this.

HTH,

--
Vince




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:25:03 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:25:03 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem - Linux BootLoaders
In-Reply-To: <43B4C7F7.2010506@free.fr>
References: <20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43B4AD9E.7010006@free.fr>
	<1135919516.11114.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B4C7F7.2010506@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1135938303.13812.173.camel@journeyhawk>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 06:39 +0100, J.Markoll wrote:
> Grub is supposed to autoconfigure, but the last three kernel updates 
> leaded to misconfiguration of the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the first to 
> a kernel panic (I put a glance at the file before rebooting, the other 
> times) and this, on two different machines/kernel versions (a k7 and a 686).
> 
> The root and kernel lign came with:
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> root            (hd0,6)
> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> instead of root=/dev/hda7
> 
> what a fun! :(
> I keep erasing the 'splash' line, it puts it back each time, too.

Read 'man update-grub'.  It is an Ubuntu/Debian specific tool (so far,
afiak) that is run automagically by the Linux kernel package postinst
script.  You can also run it by hand: sudo update-grub.  If you look
closely in /boot/grub/menu.lst, you will find comment lines that provide
special information to the update-grub program:

# groot=...

You should be able to figure out how to remove the 'splash' option now,
I think.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 10:47:06 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:47:06 -0800
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135916600.27904.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <ee970b290512291854h2808f623t@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230031459.38751.qmail@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512292004u1d71c4es@mail.gmail.com>
	<1135916600.27904.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135939626.13812.195.camel@journeyhawk>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:23 +1100, William Grant wrote:
> I couldn't have said it any better myself. Those friends are completely
> wrong and obviously have no idea, or are being deliberately misleading.

I don't believe that's the problem.  What I think it is... is that the
friend is not starting with first principles and vocabulary, then
building upon that on up to the actual explanation.  People are not born
knowing how to operate a computer.  A computer is always going to be a
complicated tool.  It cannot, by it's very nature, ever be an
"appliance" and still be useful enough to matter.  Thus, to utilize it
effectively requires a certain amount of education.

It amounts to a language problem; not just with translation between a
native language and English when communicating via email, but with
teaching and learning the terminology, jargon, syntax, and semantics of
computer operation.

Too many people, at this point, have very little knowledge about what is
really happening behind the surface of the GUI on their screen.  It's a
total mystery.  In order for them to grok it, you must start by
explaining bits, bytes, how text characters and numbers are represented
as bytes of information in the computer memory, about the storage
hierarchy --- CPU registers, cache, RAM, and hard drive --- and a
plethora of other vocabulary and concepts that all add up to a better
picture of what's really happening.

Who can explain the boot process?  What happens when I turn on the
computer's power in the morning?  But before I can understand that, I
must know what "software" is, and have a simple notion in mind of
"assembly language instructions", "memory locations", "disk sectors",
"BIOS", "input/output"...  "multiprogramming", "operating system", etc.

So, in order to make Ubuntu Linux more natural to use, we must help the
new Gnu's obtain the foundation knowledge it requires.  Think about how
much you know about your bicycle, an electric commuter train, an
elevator, or an automobile, despite the fact that you are probably not a
mechanical engineer or even a repair mechanic.  (nor are you likely to
be an atmospheric pollution control expert or natural resource
conservationist, if you actually drive an automobile very often.) It's
like that; a little more to it than knowing what to feed your horse,
assuming the horse's mother taught it what to eat so it would grow and
stay healthy.  We're not born knowing that either...  We must have
learned every little thing we know; not everyone has learned the same
exact set of knowledge.

If I have two apples, and I give you one, we each have one apple.  If I
have two ideas and I give you both of them, we both now have those two
ideas, plus any others the new ideas trigger within your mind, provided
you share them with me.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:07:36 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:07:36 -0800
Subject: Kernel-sources Linux-headers and so on : which one for what
	purpose ?
In-Reply-To: <43B34A70.7090507@free.fr>
References: <43B34A70.7090507@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1135940856.13812.200.camel@journeyhawk>

In /lib/modules/$(uname -r) you may find the symlinks named "build" and
"source".  If you install the linux-headers package that matches your
installed kernel, see if the "build" symlink changes.  It should point
to the newly installed kernel headers, in /usr/src/linux-headers-VER.

Software that requires the kernel headers is supposed to look through
that symlink to find them.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:23:53 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:23:53 -0800
Subject: How do I run a shell?
In-Reply-To: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
References: <s3b3c02a.081@MP2NGW10.eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <1135941834.13812.206.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 10:53 +0200, Bill Cairns wrote:
> I create a file called dir in bin. The contents of the file is simply one line "ls".

There should be two lines:

#!/bin/sh
ls -l "$@"

or

#!/bin/sh
exec ls "$@"

> I add execute to the file properties.
> I type dir in the terminal window.
> 
> In SuSe I get the listing from the ls.

Odd. I don't know why it works... unless there is a shell alias named
'dir', or a script or command by that name that is earlier in the PATH
than your own script.

> In Ubuntu I get "command not found".

That is due to either one of two reasons.  1, the script may not be on
your PATH, and thus your script is not found.  2, you did not name the
interpreter that should evaluate and apply the script, and so the shell
you type the command in doesn't know what to do with it.

> In Ubuntu, if I type ". dir", it works.

Because you are asking your command line shell to "source" the script.
It's finding it because the script is in your present working directory.
If you 'cd ~' first, it won't work without specifying the full path to
your 'dir' script.

Read about shell aliases and more about shell scripting by finding the
'Guides' at the Linux Documentation Project web site.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:27:12 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:27:12 -0800
Subject: Nessus 3 Question
In-Reply-To: <43B3B042.5090309@gmail.com>
References: <43B3B042.5090309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135942032.13812.209.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 09:45 +0000, Simon Taplin wrote:
> I'm running Kubuntu AMD64 with Nessus 3. Nessus only be installed/run on 
> my i386 chroot.
> 
> Does anyone know if Nessus can use the nmap/nikto/etc that is part of 
> the AMD64 installation or do I need to install nmap/nikto in my i386 
> chroot?

Since nessus is running inside the chroot(), it cannot execve() any
binary that is not also visible from within the chroot, right?

(See: "man chroot", and "man execve")

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:33:02 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:33:02 -0800
Subject: octaviz package installation
In-Reply-To: <slrndr8kco.cfd.fab@localhost.localdomain>
References: <slrndr8kco.cfd.fab@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135942382.13812.212.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:14 +0000, Fabian Braennstroem wrote:
> Maybe, somebody has an idea!? 

Try with newer libs, build them too... build all without stripping them
(nostrip in DEB_BUILD_OPTS IIRC, if supported by individual package
rules script) and try again, this time under GDB.  Catch the crash and
debug.  :-)

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:38:36 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:38:36 -0800
Subject: xscreensaver strange behaviour
In-Reply-To: <1135592298.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135592298.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135942716.13812.214.camel@journeyhawk>

On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:18 +0200, Giorgos wrote:
> I've made the following script to load zsnes while disabling screensaver
> and power management

You can learn tricks for stopping and starting xscreensaver from the
scripts in /etc/acpi:

 % grep screensaver /etc/acpi/*

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:42:08 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:42:08 -0800
Subject: Installing Breezy on HP Pavilion zv6000 (wireless driver)
In-Reply-To: <43AF2C46.6010908@tiscali.it>
References: <E1Ep5bl-0005CL-7b@esperanza.ubuntu.com>
	<43AF2C46.6010908@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <1135942928.13812.218.camel@journeyhawk>

On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 00:33 +0100, Gian Piero Carzino wrote:
> This is the third part of the story: at the end we came to the Broadcom
> Wireless interface.

Thank you for posting that article, Gian.  I'm certain that somebody
will be out there with the same problem you had, they'll Google for it,
and your message will turn up, saving the day.  :-)  It is frustrating
when you google, and all you find is your question, but nobody has
answered it, or you find the question in a support mailing list, but the
answer was given via private email and is not in the archive!

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From cogyfarm at grm.net  Fri Dec 30 11:45:59 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (N6REJ)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:45:59 -0600
Subject: broadcom 4306 problem
Message-ID: <43B51DF7.7030808@grm.net>

I have installed ndiswrapper and iwconfig shows it, ndiswrapper shows 
everything is fine, but yet no matter what I do the network utility 
won't configure the card and activate it.  It says it is but it takes a 
long time, and an ip is never gotten from the router.  The nic is good 
because it was working in another machine and transfered over.  Could it 
be that the router is set to NOT allow any unknown mac address's?  Would 
the mac address carry over even though its an entirely different 
machine?  ( Same machine name )
I've never had this much problem with this nic.  I own 4 of them and all 
the others I've been able to get  working in minutes.  Not this time.
Troy




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:47:06 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:47:06 -0800
Subject: Problems with Kino
In-Reply-To: <ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <200512251524.54457.emmerc@cantv.net>
	<1135511623.7099.8.camel@b2175.lacasa.org>
	<binks.20liwm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<ddennedy.20lxpz@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1135943226.13812.221.camel@journeyhawk>

On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 12:57 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> Hi, the firewire module does not require root priveleges. All that you
> need is read/write access to /dev/raw1394. Since this file is
> dynamically created by udev, you could change udev rules. However, you
> should notice that the group assigned to the file is "disk" and that
> the group has read/write access. Therefore, it is easier to just add
> your userid to the disk group: sudo adduser `whoami` disk.

No, don't do that!  You should NOT be in group 'disk', since that also
gives write access to the raw hard drive partitions!!!  The better
solution is to take yourself out of group disk, and then edit
the /etc/udev configuration so that the device is created with a
different group ownership, perhaps 'floppy' or 'cdrom'.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From cogyfarm at grm.net  Fri Dec 30 11:47:10 2005
From: cogyfarm at grm.net (N6REJ)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:47:10 -0600
Subject: lvm permission
Message-ID: <43B51E3E.5000504@grm.net>

I've got a LVM directory called /home/music.  I named it that because I 
wanted to be able to share my music files with it.  The problem is is 
the folder has root.root ownership and even when I sudo or sudo -i I 
can't change it.  It ignores the change.  Can anyone help?
Troy




From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 30 11:51:42 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:51:42 +0800
Subject: OT: Move Files from one PC to another
Message-ID: <509d63b70512300351y5bfae6fet607bb260144993a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Do you know of any software that will move all the stuff in my old pc to the
new one? I dont want to reinstall all my software with all the activation
keys and everything as it is quite bothersome.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:52:38 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:52:38 -0800
Subject: How can I extract sentenses from text documents
In-Reply-To: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
References: <43AAF9E4.3020302@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <1135943558.13812.224.camel@journeyhawk>

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 13:09 -0600, Wade Smart wrote:
> Ok, this may be totally impossible but, I have about 1800 documents that 
> have sentences inside [QUOTE] and sometimes [QUOTE] [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] 
> [/QUOTE]. I don't know how many lines each document has - maybe 8 to 
> 20k. Is there a way to copy all the sentences between the [QUOTE] 
> [QUOTE] or [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] to a new file?  
> 
> This is way beyond my knowledge but if someone knows how this is done, 
> if they would point me in the right direction - I would greatly 
> appreciate it..

Perl with libtext-delimmatch-perl (man Text::DelimMatch) would probably
do the trick.

TIMTOWTDI.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:53:32 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:53:32 -0800
Subject: Dual head setup
In-Reply-To: <1135259747.8150.4.camel@showof>
References: <1135259747.8150.4.camel@showof>
Message-ID: <1135943613.13812.226.camel@journeyhawk>

On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 00:55 +1100, Serg B. wrote:
> Thank you all, replies were very helpful. Few hours and one fried
> motherboard later I have a dual head system setup. Veryyyyyyy nice.

Will you please summarize the solution for us?  At least link to the
thread where you learned the necessary information... ?  TIA

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From hegbloom at pdx.edu  Fri Dec 30 11:54:52 2005
From: hegbloom at pdx.edu (Karl Hegbloom)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:54:52 -0800
Subject: installing RPM's
In-Reply-To: <43AAA9F5.5030003@optusnet.com.au>
References: <43AAA9F5.5030003@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1135943692.13812.228.camel@journeyhawk>

Creating a Debian package is really not very difficult.  Try using
'dh_make'.

-- 
Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu>




From basvg at cs.ru.nl  Fri Dec 30 11:54:55 2005
From: basvg at cs.ru.nl (Bas van Gils)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:54:55 +0100
Subject: Composite
Message-ID: <20051230115455.GA27054@cs.ru.nl>


Hi all,

today I (briefly) tried to get the composite extension to work. I found some
info on [1]. Basically, what I did was :

- make sure that xcompmngr and transset are installed
- edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

    # add this near the top
    Section "Extensions"
        Option "Composite" "Enable"
    EndSectio


    # add in Device section
    Option "RenderAccel" "true"

- restart X and check the output of xdpyinfo

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. What am I missing here? The logs do not
show anything interesting..

any help is greatly appreciated,

  cheers

    Bas




[1] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5520.html


-- 
<Bas.vanGils at cs.ru.nl> - GPG Key ID: 2768A493  -  http://www.cs.ru.nl/~basvg
Radboud University Nijmegen Institute for Computing and Information Sciences




From angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com  Fri Dec 30 12:05:07 2005
From: angrykeyboarder at angrykeyboarder.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:05:07 -0700
Subject: locale problems
In-Reply-To: <20051225212211.60de4519.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
References: <20051225212211.60de4519.fmccormick@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <43B52273.7050302@angrykeyboarder.com>

Frank McCormick wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone come up with a  workaround for the locale update problem in
> Dapper. It still won't install on my system because of errors being
> returned by dpkg.
> 

Yep, I uninstalled it..


-- 
Scott
www.angrykeyboarder.com
© 2005 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved




From lgrover at zoominternet.net  Fri Dec 30 13:10:04 2005
From: lgrover at zoominternet.net (Larry Grover)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:10:04 -0500
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135921510.11092.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135921510.11092.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B531AC.3080603@zoominternet.net>

Tim Frost wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:26 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> 
>>I don't know Joyce!  
>>Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and Windows wouldn't run &
>>crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I
>>care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows
>>program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy
>>Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor!  It
>>couldn't hurt!
> 
> 
> I suspect that your original Windows install had a special partition.
> You mention "SMART" which is a Compaq technology, which involves a
> special recovery partition.  If the Ubuntu install tampered with that,
> then I can understand Windows being unhappy.

SMART is also a self-monitoring technology that many (most? all?) modern 
hard drives come with.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/6983

A boot up message about the drive failing a SMART test may have 
indicated that the drive had serious errors and was failing.  A failing 
hard drive could prevent the operating system, windows or linux, from 
booting, or if it did boot, cause the system to hang or crash.

Regards,
Larry



From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec 30 13:15:58 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:15:58 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <1135919402.11114.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135919402.11114.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051230141558.b30a0185.albi@scii.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:10:02 -0800
Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:

> > Ubuntu won't be able to run Windows programs (without a
> > compatibility layer like Wine, of course), because it isn't Windows!
> > 
> > William.
> > 
> 
> 
> If you run Vmware you can run windows  on TOP of Linux
> 
> Windows would be an application in Linux

actually, with Xen you can run OS-es at the same time (linux,BSD):
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html

and i'm looking forward for an easy way to experiment with Xen

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec 30 13:19:36 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:19:36 +0100
Subject: a little samba help
In-Reply-To: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>
References: <43B4A0D5.9090803@wadesmart.com>
Message-ID: <20051230141936.cb0e5b46.albi@scii.nl>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:52:05 -0600
Wade Smart <wade at wadesmart.com> wrote:

> 12292005 2044 GMT-5
> 
> I have been reading about getting samba installed.
> Im reading 
> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-samba-server
> at ubuntu about getting it up and running.
> 
> I am in need of a  little clarification.
> 
> On number 3 under samba it says,
>     Add network user:
>     smbpasswd - a system_username
>     sudo gedit /etc/samba/subusers
> 
> Ok. Add network user. What group does this go in - admin?

personally i like the webmin-module for samba, with that you can easily
define shares, users, passwords, permissions for users, permissions for
the shares etc.

sudo apt-get install webmin-samba

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From tabrez.iqbal at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 13:30:28 2005
From: tabrez.iqbal at gmail.com (Tabrez Iqbal)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:00:28 +0530
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230141558.b30a0185.albi@scii.nl>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135919402.11114.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230141558.b30a0185.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <d327e09a0512300530t272aa4e7jcc4de82c987939c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, albi <albi at scii.nl> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:10:02 -0800
> Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net> wrote:
>
> > > Ubuntu won't be able to run Windows programs (without a
> > > compatibility layer like Wine, of course), because it isn't Windows!
> > >
> > > William.
> > >
> >
> >
> > If you run Vmware you can run windows  on TOP of Linux
> >
> > Windows would be an application in Linux
>
> actually, with Xen you can run OS-es at the same time (linux,BSD):
> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html
>
> and i'm looking forward for an easy way to experiment with Xen
>
> --
> grtjs, albi
> gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users




did you try the live cd? Xen 3.0 Demo CD:
http://bits.xensource.com/ISO/latest/xen-3.0-demo-livecd-3.0.iso<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fbits%2Exensource%2Ecom%2FISO%2Flatest%2Fxen%2D3%2E0%2Ddemo%2Dlivecd%2D3%2E0%2Eiso>
Size: 481MB
md5sum:
http://bits.xensource.com/ISO/latest/xen-3.0-demo-livecd-3.0.iso.md5sum<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fbits%2Exensource%2Ecom%2FISO%2Flatest%2Fxen%2D3%2E0%2Ddemo%2Dlivecd%2D3%2E0%2Eiso%2Emd5sum>

tabrez
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From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 13:41:11 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:41:11 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <43B531AC.3080603@zoominternet.net>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1135921510.11092.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<43B531AC.3080603@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <43B538F7.7060805@free.fr>

Larry Grover a écrit :
> Tim Frost wrote:
>> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:26 -0800, James Diehl wrote:

>>> I don't know Joyce!  Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and 
>>> Windows wouldn't run &
>>> crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I
>>> care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows
>>> program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy
>>> Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor!  It
>>> couldn't hurt!
>> I suspect that your original Windows install had a special partition.
>> You mention "SMART" which is a Compaq technology, which involves a
>> special recovery partition.  If the Ubuntu install tampered with that,
>> then I can understand Windows being unhappy.
> SMART is also a self-monitoring technology that many (most? all?) modern 
> hard drives come with.

> http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/6983

> A boot up message about the drive failing a SMART test may have 
> indicated that the drive had serious errors and was failing.  A failing 
> hard drive could prevent the operating system, windows or linux, from 
> booting, or if it did boot, cause the system to hang or crash.

> Regards,
> Larry
I remember I tested my HDD a few weeks ago, by enabling smart with the 
help of smartmontools (and invoking smartcl and some options).
I got help from someone to put the right options in, and get a diagnostic.
But James told us that he runs the two OS's on different machines fine,
so can his hard drive be suspected ?
Best Greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca  Fri Dec 30 13:38:12 2005
From: ryanthompson at ns.sympatico.ca (Ryan Thompson)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:38:12 -0400
Subject: Dual Boot Problem [Solved]
Message-ID: <1135949892.7507.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks for all of your help everyone.  :D




From albi at scii.nl  Fri Dec 30 13:48:18 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:48:18 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <d327e09a0512300530t272aa4e7jcc4de82c987939c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135919402.11114.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230141558.b30a0185.albi@scii.nl>
	<d327e09a0512300530t272aa4e7jcc4de82c987939c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051230144818.badf5548.albi@scii.nl>

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:00:28 +0530
Tabrez Iqbal <tabrez.iqbal at gmail.com> wrote:

> > and i'm looking forward for an easy way to experiment with Xen
-- cut --
> did you try the live cd? 

not yet

> Xen 3.0 Demo CD:
> http://bits.xensource.com/ISO/latest/xen-3.0-demo-livecd-3.0.iso<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fbits%2Exensource%2Ecom%2FISO%2Flatest%2Fxen%2D3%2E0%2Ddemo%2Dlivecd%2D3%2E0%2Eiso>

thanks! :) i'll go for the torrent :
http://www.xensource.com/xen/downloads/dl_x30dcd_bt.html

-- 
grtjs, albi
gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import



From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Fri Dec 30 14:01:11 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:11 +0100
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051230144818.badf5548.albi@scii.nl>
References: <20051230024501.11395.qmail@web81811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1135916186.27904.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<1135919402.11114.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<20051230141558.b30a0185.albi@scii.nl>	<d327e09a0512300530t272aa4e7jcc4de82c987939c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051230144818.badf5548.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <43B53DA7.5030706@kaiser-linux.li>

albi wrote:
>>Xen 3.0 Demo CD:
>>http://bits.xensource.com/ISO/latest/xen-3.0-demo-livecd-3.0.iso<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fbits%2Exensource%2Ecom%2FISO%2Flatest%2Fxen%2D3%2E0%2Ddemo%2Dlivecd%2D3%2E0%2Eiso>
> 
There is an other one: http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/xen/index-en.html

Regards, Thomas


-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From lgrover at zoominternet.net  Fri Dec 30 14:35:11 2005
From: lgrover at zoominternet.net (Larry Grover)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:35:11 -0500
Subject: Dual Boot Problem
In-Reply-To: <43B538F7.7060805@free.fr>
References: <20051230052616.30543.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1135921510.11092.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<43B531AC.3080603@zoominternet.net>
	<43B538F7.7060805@free.fr>
Message-ID: <43B5459F.700@zoominternet.net>

J.Markoll wrote:
> Larry Grover a écrit :
> 
>> Tim Frost wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:26 -0800, James Diehl wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> I don't know Joyce!  Windows NTFS messed up files in my Ubuntu, and 
>>>> Windows wouldn't run &
>>>> crashed after I ran Ubuntu! I don't know, and I 'm not sure that I
>>>> care!  My Ubuntu is running fine on that system now, and the Windows
>>>> program started running fine on another!  I think I'll get some Holy
>>>> Water and some candles.  Maybe hang a little cross on the monitor!  It
>>>> couldn't hurt!
>>>
>>> I suspect that your original Windows install had a special partition.
>>> You mention "SMART" which is a Compaq technology, which involves a
>>> special recovery partition.  If the Ubuntu install tampered with that,
>>> then I can understand Windows being unhappy.
>>
>> SMART is also a self-monitoring technology that many (most? all?) 
>> modern hard drives come with.
> 
> 
>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/6983
> 
> 
>> A boot up message about the drive failing a SMART test may have 
>> indicated that the drive had serious errors and was failing.  A 
>> failing hard drive could prevent the operating system, windows or 
>> linux, from booting, or if it did boot, cause the system to hang or 
>> crash.
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Larry
> 
> I remember I tested my HDD a few weeks ago, by enabling smart with the 
> help of smartmontools (and invoking smartcl and some options).
> I got help from someone to put the right options in, and get a diagnostic.
> But James told us that he runs the two OS's on different machines fine,
> so can his hard drive be suspected ?

Did he say that he runs two different machines?  I got the impression he 
was rebooting the same machine between windows and linux.  But maybe I 
got confused.  I've had a hard time following this conversation.

Regardless, any machine with a drive that spews SMART error messages is 
suspect, and is due for a hard drive replacement as soon as possible.

Regards,
Larry



From eric.dunbar at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 14:35:44 2005
From: eric.dunbar at gmail.com (Eric Dunbar)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:35:44 -0500
Subject: Skype or Gizmoproject.com
	was:Re:HasUbuntuReplacedWindowsonYourBox?
In-Reply-To: <20051229160017.46780.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <13718.213.237.42.134.1135854643.squirrel@mail.ipl.dtu.dk>
	<20051229160017.46780.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <77520bee0512300635l40457837p24430db6d2feabd5@mail.gmail.com>

Chances are they don't support all the flavours of Linux b/c

... enterprise users don't exactly have need for the latest and
greatest video hardware (how fast does a screen refresh in OpenOffice
really need to run?), and,
... many Linux users run _old_ hardware so they're not likely to be
buying the latest and greatest video cards, and,
... most software that taxes these latest and greatest cards <ahem,
games> are written for Mac OS X or Windows XP anyway so a pure Linux
user isn't going to be running out and buying a video card anyway :-(,
and,
... for simple use (i.e. word processing, web browsing, etc.) most
distros have already developed solutions so why would these
manufacturers bother to devote scarce R&D funds to a segment of the
overall market that is downright _tiny_

Eric.

On 12/29/05, James Diehl <jms_diehl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> A lot of the manufacturers don't support Linux.  I thought maybe it was the
> other way around myself.  I've been to ATI Radeon, Nividia, Lexmark, and
> many others and they all say the same thing:  "We don't support Linux
> programs."  With all of the diffferent Linux OS's that are available, and
> Unix systems(including all of the Enterprise versions being run by company
> networks), you would think it would be profitable for them to support our
> programs.



From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Fri Dec 30 14:59:40 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:40 +0200
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
Message-ID: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>

Hi,
Does anyone know when this will be available for breezy as an update or 
backport?

I gather much work has been done on the evdev input driver and I could 
make use of it.

TIA,
Zoltan




-- 

==================================
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P.O. Box 31255
Tokai
7966
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From senectus at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 15:28:48 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:28:48 +0800
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Zoltan Szecsei <zoltans at geograph.co.za> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know when this will be available for breezy as an update or
> backport?
>
> I gather much work has been done on the evdev input driver and I could
> make use of it.
Ubuntu doesn't do updates unless it's a security flaw, and I don't
think backports were meant to deal with stuff like xorg.
Besides, that's a pretty hefty change for a backport.
Dapper is only around the corner.. see if you can wait it out ;-)

--
www.modmeup.net
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
"Gratitude can be poisonous; it forces you to be beneath me and me to
be superior instead of equals." - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, States of
Grace.



From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Fri Dec 30 15:36:58 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:36:58 +0200
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>

Senectus . wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Zoltan Szecsei <zoltans at geograph.co.za> wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>Does anyone know when this will be available for breezy as an update or
>>backport?
>>
>>I gather much work has been done on the evdev input driver and I could
>>make use of it.
> 
> Ubuntu doesn't do updates unless it's a security flaw, and I don't
> think backports were meant to deal with stuff like xorg.
> Besides, that's a pretty hefty change for a backport.
> Dapper is only around the corner.. see if you can wait it out ;-)
Drat! - I was hoping to get to use the stuff by circa early February

Oh well, if life didn't have its little challenges, imagine how 
lethargic & complacent we'd all be.

Thanks for your input...
Z


> 
> --
> www.modmeup.net
> Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
> "Gratitude can be poisonous; it forces you to be beneath me and me to
> be superior instead of equals." - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, States of
> Grace.
> 


-- 

==================================
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P.O. Box 31255
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Fax:	+27-86-6115323
Mobile: +27-83-6004028
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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 15:39:26 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:39:26 -0500
Subject: UMAX Astra 3400 scanner and Ubuntu Hoary
References: <1113208109.7857.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <daller.20v0km@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


It's unsupported:



http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-UMAX



Use the ebay-patch! :)


-- 
daller



From radsky at ncia.net  Fri Dec 30 15:45:59 2005
From: radsky at ncia.net (alex)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:45:59 -0500
Subject: sudo blocks aliases
In-Reply-To: <1135906092.9124.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1135881351.12702.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135906092.9124.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1135957559.8533.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 02:28 +0100, Leo Cacciari wrote:
> Well, there are two solutions I can see. First, you could simply
> ignore
> the sudo thing and use your commands after becoming root using 'su'.
> Another one is to add your aliases to the adminstrative user aliases
> (/home/whatever/.bash_aliases). If you do this, however, you must
> change
> your aliases by adding 'sudo' in front of them. Beware that for
> multiple
> commands (such as the above examples) you must either add sudo in
> front
> of each command, or execute them all in a subshell: 
> 
> alias xpa+='sudo sh -c "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1;\
>                         cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF'"
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
Of all the responses to 'sudo blocks aliases' this is the only one that
seems to address the problem, so thanks, Leo. 
I'll work on your suggestions.

alex
> 
> -- 
> Leo "TheHobbit" 




From cshenrychan at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 16:08:30 2005
From: cshenrychan at gmail.com (chan henry)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:08:30 +0800
Subject: problem with stellarium (0.6.2-3ubuntu1)--- Fatal signal:
	Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
Message-ID: <7812576b0512300808l6639dd4er@mail.gmail.com>

hello all;

i just have a problem while i was trying to run stellarium on my ubuntu
laptop.

the installation finished without any problem. apt-get fetched a deb file
for stellarium 6.9.2-3 and installed it without any complain.

however when i tryed to run it, it gave me a "Fatal signal: Segmentation
Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)" error, and the program terminated.

what was it? was that a bug or i had done anything wrong?

thanks in advance.
henry chan
-from hk, china

note:
***my laptop system is dell inspiron 700m, and the ubuntu installation was
ubuntu 5.10

***here is a screen dump of the installation:
root at ubuntu:/home/guest# apt-get install stellarium
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  stellarium
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/1000kB of archives.
After unpacking 2232kB of additional disk space will be used.

Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously deselected package stellarium.
(Reading database ... 59358 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking stellarium (from .../stellarium_0.6.2-3ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up stellarium (0.6.2-3ubuntu1) ...

*** here is a screen dump of the program outputs
root at ubuntu:/home/guest# stellarium

    -----------------------------------------
    | ## ### ### #   #   ### ###  #  # # # #|
    | #   #  ##  #   #   ### ##   #  # # ###|
    |##   #  ### ### ### # # # #  #  ### # #|
    |                       Stellarium 0.6.2|
    -----------------------------------------

Copyright (C) 2004 Fabien Chereau

Please check last version and send bug report & comments
on stellarium web page : http://stellarium.free.fr

Loading configuration file /root/.stellarium/config.ini ...
Loading location Paris
Landscape is Guereins
Loading Hipparcos star data...
Star catalog: 120417 stars
Loading Solar System data...
Loading constellation data...
Loading nebulas data...
Reading a total of 73 nebulas
Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
root at ubuntu:/home/guest#

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From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Fri Dec 30 16:41:33 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:33 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Posters
Message-ID: <509d63b70512300841w437f0c38j1e69914391e3df36@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Do you guys know anywhere I can download ubuntu posters? I want to put them
up on our company's reception.

Charles

--
"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From dennis at kaarsemaker.net  Fri Dec 30 16:59:58 2005
From: dennis at kaarsemaker.net (Dennis Kaarsemaker)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:58 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu Posters
In-Reply-To: <509d63b70512300841w437f0c38j1e69914391e3df36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509d63b70512300841w437f0c38j1e69914391e3df36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135961998.16192.2.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>

On za, 2005-12-31 at 00:41 +0800, Charles Yao wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Do you guys know anywhere I can download ubuntu posters? I want to put
> them up on our company's reception.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
-- 
Dennis K.
  - Linux for human beings: http://www.ubuntu.com
  - Linux voor iedereen:    http://www.ubuntu-nl.org
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From oveloz at glasfloss.com  Fri Dec 30 17:20:01 2005
From: oveloz at glasfloss.com (Oscar Veloz)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:20:01 -0600
Subject: RAID
Message-ID: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>

I am setting up a machine.  I am hoping to do RAID 1, because my board
has onboard RAID.  Does anyone know where I might find a howto on doing
this in 5.10?



From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com  Fri Dec 30 17:25:00 2005
From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:25:00 +0100
Subject: problem with stellarium (0.6.2-3ubuntu1)--- Fatal signal:
	Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
In-Reply-To: <7812576b0512300808l6639dd4er@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7812576b0512300808l6639dd4er@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1135963500.12390.1.camel@localhost>

Hello,

Am Samstag, den 31.12.2005, 00:08 +0800 schrieb chan henry:
> however when i tryed to run it, it gave me a "Fatal signal:
> Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)" error, and the program
> terminated.
> 
> what was it? was that a bug or i had done anything wrong?

Yes, that's a bug. Please file it at http://launchpad.net/malone and
attach the output you get from following the steps on
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash

Have a nice day, 
 Daniel

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From richard.foster.1999 at balliol.org  Fri Dec 30 17:26:58 2005
From: richard.foster.1999 at balliol.org (Richard Charles Foster)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:26:58 -0000
Subject: A problem with keyboard and mouse
In-Reply-To: <JFEAKNGMIKDLGJHMFDLDEENICCAA.richard.foster.1999@balliol.org>
Message-ID: <JFEAKNGMIKDLGJHMFDLDEENNCCAA.richard.foster.1999@balliol.org>

I am completely new to the world of Linux so please be patient with me!

I have just installed Ubuntu version 5.04 on an older computer (500MHz).
Everything works fine except for two problems.  Firstly, when I type using
the keyboard the computer thinks I have typed the same key three times (so I
get a string of letters rather than the word I wish to type).  Secondly,
when I click the left mouse button it thinks I have clicked it twice.  So,
for example, to get a drop down menu I have to click and hold in order to
see the menu.

Now this problem only occurs once Ubuntu has fully booted.  The username and
password screen are unaffected and I can happily input these without any
problem.  I have also tried using another keyboard that works fine on my
Windows computer and this does the same thing.  Further, although it
normally has this problem, on occasion I boot up Ubuntu and everything works
fine.  So I am pretty sure it is not a hardware problem.  I have also tried
fiddling with the repeat rate controls in the configuration but this does
not help.

Can anyone work out what is wrong?

Thank you so much for your help.

Yours faithfully,
Richard Foster.

Mr Richard Foster







From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 17:52:19 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:52:19 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


vobcopy in Breezy/Gnome - first time I've ever used it - made perfect
copy of a 4.0GB DVD5 music video (Free-All Regions) today in under
twenty minutes on a HP notebook. Yes, I know the thread's stale but
this may help other newbies too.



vobcopy ignored my attempt to write output to an external FireWire
Seagate disk and dumped a 2.0GB or smaller *1-1.VOB then a *1-2.VOB
chunk onto my measly internal notebook IDE drive 8.0GB partition. In
terminal I'd typed




Code:
--------------------
    vobcopy /media/cdrom1 /media/SEAGATE
--------------------




which vobcopy seemed to interpret as input path from /dev/scd0
(external USB 2.0 Plextor DVD Recorder) so wonder if I'd used output to
/dev/sdb1 (vfat/FAT32, first primary partition on external disk) perhaps
it would have been more successful to avoid a subsequent copy IDE to
external drive.



Perhaps someone in the forum can help wih the correct vobcopy command
layout (source, destination) as man doesn't help at all.



Final question, now I've got two isolated VOB files on a hard drive
what can I do with them, for example how do I burn them in an image
file? Of course wine/DVD Shrink says missing VIDEO_TS.IFO so that's no
good, then K3b throws a similar message if try to burn an image as a
new DVD Project with just two VOBs. Feel a bit lost having always run
DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink in Windows with no problem, and I want to
master this in Linux.


-- 
daibak



From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 18:02:34 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:34 +0100
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Oscar Veloz <oveloz at glasfloss.com> wrote:
> I am setting up a machine.  I am hoping to do RAID 1, because my board
> has onboard RAID.  Does anyone know where I might find a howto on doing
> this in 5.10?

If you have proper on-board (hardware) RAID, you should only see one
disk in the installer, the logical disk. If it is fake RAID, you are
better off setting up a MD device while installing, and when you get
to the partitioner, create the partitions you want (across both disks,
keeping the RAID candidate partitions same size or as close to as
possible) and change the type of the ones you need to raid or md
candidate, go in to the sub menu software raid (should be near top,
quite obvious) in the partitioner and set up your RAID relationships.
After that, use the mdX device(s) as you would a normal disk.

HTH,



--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From j.markoll at free.fr  Fri Dec 30 18:37:18 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:37:18 +0100
Subject: Canon XS200 on Breezy
Message-ID: <43B57E5E.8000605@free.fr>

Hello,
Some friends have this printer and wonder if it could run under Ubuntu 
Breezy. I told them that the Canon S200 is in the list of the 
configuration interface, but that is is the only thing I know.
Do someone have a canon model SX200 runnning under Ubuntu, and can say
if it needs anything special to configure ?
Thanks, Joyce Markoll.

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From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi  Fri Dec 30 18:41:39 2005
From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:41:39 +0200
Subject: Intro, Graphical Login After Serial Install, Accessibility?
Message-ID: <001701c60d70$aee5c5b0$7901a8c0@centrino>

Hi,
This is my first post so here's a little intro. If you'd like to skip it 
just search for the ENd intro. tag.

Intro:
I'm a sight-impaired Finnish computer enthusiast and a long time DOS and 
WIndows user. I would call myself a power-user on those platforms and 
program in the small re-creationally in Perl, Java and so on. Still I'm 
truely a Linux newbie and really don't want to adjust things if I don't know 
what I'm adjusting, if you know what I mean, <smile>. I've been spoiled by 
the GUI and thus am mainly interested in playing around with Gnome and Gnome 
apps at this point. Some programming tools interest me. too, and I'm doing 
music as a hobby so accessible MIDi sequencers, multi-track recording and 
virtual synths are high on the wish list.

Because of my less than stellar experiences with RedHat, Mandrake and Debian 
I decided not to dedicate a real machine for Ubuntu. In stead I'm running 
Ubuntu inside a virtual machine in Windows using Virtual PC.

I also learned the hard way that Linux accessibility isn't quite up to that 
of Windows or OS X. I figured out early on that I'd be probably using my 
Windows screen reader (Dolphin Supernova) and a terminal emulator for the 
console side. The benefits include highly intelligible that is formant 
based, multi-lingual (US English and Finnish) speech, speaking all the 
kernel messages and having the keyboard commands I know.

I hope to be able to run Gnopernicus with magnification and speech in Gnome, 
however. Being Ubuntu, whose strong in accessibility, it would be real great 
if the screen reader worked out of the box like it does on OS X. By the way, 
I considered joining the accessibility list but had second thoughts as the 
archive seemd to only have dev style posts rather than true user questions.

So now I have a Ubuntu system, it's the Badger I think, that seems to be up 
and running for the most part. Installation went well though slowly. To be 
able to install the thing on my own, I connected Ubuntu and the TeraTerm 
terminal emulator via a pair of virtual com ports which means that the 
installation is accessible right ffrom the start.
End intro.

So I'm using a serial terminal and am able to boot into Ubuntu. Rather than 
the graphical login screen mentioned in the Ubuntu Guide, though, I only get 
a text-based one. As I'm mostly into Gnome for accessibility reasons, I 
would use KDE because of the graphical theme editor if I could, changing the 
logon screen to a graphical one and having Gnopernicus up and running would 
be some of my primary goals. How would I go about doing these things?

My first attempt was to run the startx command which should usually run a 
graphical LInux desktop. The machine complained about not having permissions 
for doing that. I read the Wiki and tried again with the sudo startx command 
to give me admin privileges temporarily. Now it informed me that there's 
already a server running. I guess I'd better paste a quote to be exact here:

Output:
vellu at ubuntu:~$ sudo startx
Password:
xauth:  creating new authority file /home/vellu/.serverauth.5492
xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/vellu/.Xauthority
xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/vellu/.Xauthority
xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/vellu/.Xauthority
xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/vellu/.Xauthority

X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0

Fatal server error:
Server is already active for display 0
        If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
        and start again.


Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.X.Org
 for help.

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

giving up.
xinit:  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/vellu/.Xauthority
vellu at ubuntu:~$
End output.

So what does this all mean and what can I do to get a graphical login 
screen? IF this is some issue with an undetected video card (it is an S3 
Trio in the emulated machine) which program do I run to set things up? I 
recall Debian having some sort of wizard for configuring the X Window System 
but my searches in the Wiki or using apropos have not turned up anything 
that useful.

I've been examining the Virtual PC screen itself with full-screen 
magnification, and as far as I can tell, it only displays some sort of 
static progress bar at this point and certainly no login screen. If the 
screen contents are significant, I can put up a PNG screenshot on-line.  I 
must confess I've yet to check out the URl hinted at in the output.

Lastly, I still wish LInux would be much more newbie friendly than it 
currently is. Errors like this with information close to 0 for most ordinary 
people, err non-Nix folk, are highly off-putting. COUnting displays from 0, 
printing out C's error variables and mixing messages from different modules 
as though they had their private little dialog going on. A bit of hand 
holding, like a polite Mac style message with some tech info at the end for 
those who need it, would be closer to my ideals. I guess I've never been 
much of a command-line guy, though I liked DOS before I had seen the GUI. 
But I'll stop right here before this gets seriously OT. Pardon me for the 
tangent.

-- 
With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi)
Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ 




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec 30 19:09:32 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:09:32 -0500
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>

See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto

You can use MD or LVM for raid in linux, but that doesn't allow you to 
boot from a raid0, or dual boot with windows.

Anders Karlsson wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Oscar Veloz <oveloz at glasfloss.com> wrote:
>> I am setting up a machine.  I am hoping to do RAID 1, because my board
>> has onboard RAID.  Does anyone know where I might find a howto on doing
>> this in 5.10?
> 
> If you have proper on-board (hardware) RAID, you should only see one
> disk in the installer, the logical disk. If it is fake RAID, you are
> better off setting up a MD device while installing, and when you get
> to the partitioner, create the partitions you want (across both disks,
> keeping the RAID candidate partitions same size or as close to as
> possible) and change the type of the ones you need to raid or md
> candidate, go in to the sub menu software raid (should be near top,
> quite obvious) in the partitioner and set up your RAID relationships.
> After that, use the mdX device(s) as you would a normal disk.
> 
> HTH,
> 




From thisissantanu at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 19:22:27 2005
From: thisissantanu at gmail.com (Santanu Chatterjee)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:52:27 +0530
Subject: shortcuts for panel applets
In-Reply-To: <ck3f83-v24.ln1@don.localnet>
References: <42b9a27d0512282143p6890a4d7rc202e710c3dff267@mail.gmail.com>
	<anil_robo.20sjom@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<42b9a27d0512290837p30e842a8kf7fb4951e40cb751@mail.gmail.com>
	<ck3f83-v24.ln1@don.localnet>
Message-ID: <42b9a27d0512301122p2b233995s2556bbe6abd8dc2f@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Bill Marcum <bmarcum at iglou.com> wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.]
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:07:46 +0530, Santanu Chatterjee
>   <thisissantanu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > However, what I require is to set keybindings to activate some
> > gnome-applets for which I cannot find any suitable command, and
> > without a command to activate them, how do I bind them to a
> > shortcut?
> >
> Gnome panel applets are located in /usr/lib/gnome-applets.

Yes, but running them from the command line does not seem to
'activate' them, I mean, the effect that happens by clicking on them
while they are on the panel.

Regards,
Santanu



From trudheim at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 19:29:47 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:29:47 +0100
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
>
> You can use MD or LVM for raid in linux, but that doesn't allow you to
> boot from a raid0, or dual boot with windows.

Does the Sistina LVM really allow for RAID? From what I have read,
Sistina LVM runs on top of the device mapper, which AFAIK will only
allow aggregation of devices (i.e. not even proper striping). If you
use the MD subsystem, you do get the full RAID capabilities, little
things like hot spares etc.

Running LVM on top of MD devices is not only supported, but a good
idea if you start running large RAID5 arrays.

I keep hearing people touting LVM as some sort of a RAID solution.
While Sistina LVM is good, it ain't MD by anyones standards.

Just my €0.02

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From matt.egger at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 19:35:08 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:35:08 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using vobcopy & k3b in hoary and breezy with great success. 
The way I get the vobs in the destination I want is to cd to that
directory.  I use the following command:

vobcopy -m

I haven't had any problems with missign IFO files.  For DVD9 discs, I
still use wine/DVDShrink to compress to DVD5.  I wish there was a
simple native-linux solution.  Any suggestions?

-ME

This takes care of
On 12/30/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> vobcopy in Breezy/Gnome - first time I've ever used it - made perfect
> copy of a 4.0GB DVD5 music video (Free-All Regions) today in under
> twenty minutes on a HP notebook. Yes, I know the thread's stale but
> this may help other newbies too.
>
>
>
> vobcopy ignored my attempt to write output to an external FireWire
> Seagate disk and dumped a 2.0GB or smaller *1-1.VOB then a *1-2.VOB
> chunk onto my measly internal notebook IDE drive 8.0GB partition. In
> terminal I'd typed
>
>
>
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>     vobcopy /media/cdrom1 /media/SEAGATE
> --------------------
>
>
>
>
> which vobcopy seemed to interpret as input path from /dev/scd0
> (external USB 2.0 Plextor DVD Recorder) so wonder if I'd used output to
> /dev/sdb1 (vfat/FAT32, first primary partition on external disk) perhaps
> it would have been more successful to avoid a subsequent copy IDE to
> external drive.
>
>
>
> Perhaps someone in the forum can help wih the correct vobcopy command
> layout (source, destination) as man doesn't help at all.
>
>
>
> Final question, now I've got two isolated VOB files on a hard drive
> what can I do with them, for example how do I burn them in an image
> file? Of course wine/DVD Shrink says missing VIDEO_TS.IFO so that's no
> good, then K3b throws a similar message if try to burn an image as a
> new DVD Project with just two VOBs. Feel a bit lost having always run
> DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink in Windows with no problem, and I want to
> master this in Linux.
>
>
> --
> daibak
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ed at fletcher.ca  Fri Dec 30 19:59:23 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:59:23 -0800
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B5919B.5080604@fletcher.ca>

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Matt Egger wrote:
| I've been using vobcopy & k3b in hoary and breezy with great success.
| The way I get the vobs in the destination I want is to cd to that
| directory.  I use the following command:
|
| vobcopy -m
|
| I haven't had any problems with missign IFO files.  For DVD9 discs, I
| still use wine/DVDShrink to compress to DVD5.  I wish there was a
| simple native-linux solution.  Any suggestions?
|

Have you looked at dvd9to5?

http://lakedaemon.netmindz.net/dvd9to5/

Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 20:35:45 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:35:45 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu><daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Matt Egger Wrote: 
> I've been using vobcopy & k3b in hoary and breezy with great success. 
> The way I get the vobs in the destination I want is to cd to that
> directory.  I use the following command:
> 
> vobcopy -m
> 
> I haven't had any problems with missign IFO files.  For DVD9 discs, I
> still use wine/DVDShrink to compress to DVD5.  I wish there was a
> simple native-linux solution.  Any suggestions?
> 
> -ME
> 
> This takes care of
> On 12/30/05, 'Forum Post <ulist (AT) gs1 (DOT) ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > vobcopy in Breezy/Gnome - first time I've ever used it - made perfect
> > copy of a 4.0GB DVD5 music video (Free-All Regions) today in under
> > twenty minutes on a HP notebook. Yes, I know the thread's stale but
> > this may help other newbies too.
> >
> >
> >
> > vobcopy ignored my attempt to write output to an external FireWire
> > Seagate disk and dumped a 2.0GB or smaller *1-1.VOB then a *1-2.VOB
> > chunk onto my measly internal notebook IDE drive 8.0GB partition. In
> > terminal I'd typed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Code:
> > --------------------
> >     vobcopy /media/cdrom1 /media/SEAGATE
> > --------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > which vobcopy seemed to interpret as input path from /dev/scd0
> > (external USB 2.0 Plextor DVD Recorder) so wonder if I'd used output
> to
> > /dev/sdb1 (vfat/FAT32, first primary partition on external disk)
> perhaps
> > it would have been more successful to avoid a subsequent copy IDE to
> > external drive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps someone in the forum can help wih the correct vobcopy command
> > layout (source, destination) as man doesn't help at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Final question, now I've got two isolated VOB files on a hard drive
> > what can I do with them, for example how do I burn them in an image
> > file? Of course wine/DVD Shrink says missing VIDEO_TS.IFO so that's
> no
> > good, then K3b throws a similar message if try to burn an image as a
> > new DVD Project with just two VOBs. Feel a bit lost having always run
> > DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink in Windows with no problem, and I want to
> > master this in Linux.
> >
> >
> > --
> > daibak
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
> 
> -- 
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users (AT) lists (DOT) ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
ME, thanks for your prompt help.

cd'ed and did your vobcopy -m

Had a properly-formed VIDEO_TS hierarchy mirror image on the external
drive the way I wanted it in fifteen minutes flat. Now I'll try
wine/DVD Shrink afresh.

Chagrined to note the man vobcopy had it all and I completely missed it
>        -m, --mirror
> mirrors the whole dvd to harddisk. It will create a
> directory named after the dvd  and  copy the ifo, bup and vob files
> there. The title-vobs are decrypted during this.
> 

Happy New Year!


-- 
daibak



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Fri Dec 30 20:33:22 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:33:22 -0500
Subject: Hoary's xfig charset problem
References: <20050520194522.3394.qmail@rahul.net>
	<jevon.1qc34y@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <bigblop.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I have followed the above instructions but I get this error when typeing
make:



mos at ubuntu:~/apps/xfig.3.2.4$ make

gcc -m32 -g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing     -I/usr/include/X11
-I/usr/local/include   -I/usr/X11R6/include    -Dlinux -D__i386__
-D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L                                
-D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE                                
-D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE  -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO             
-DUSE_JPEG
-DI18N -DSETLOCALE                         -c -o u_fonts.o u_fonts.c

u_fonts.c:24: error: conflicting types for 'x_fontinfo'

u_fonts.h:35: error: previous declaration of 'x_fontinfo' was here

u_fonts.c:69: error: conflicting types for 'x_backup_fontinfo'

u_fonts.h:36: error: previous declaration of 'x_backup_fontinfo' was
here

u_fonts.c:109: error: conflicting types for 'ps_fontinfo'

u_fonts.h:37: error: previous declaration of 'ps_fontinfo' was here

u_fonts.c:150: error: conflicting types for 'latex_fontinfo'

u_fonts.h:38: error: previous declaration of 'latex_fontinfo' was here

make: *** [u_fonts.o] Error 1

mos at ubuntu:~/apps/xfig.3.2.4$



any ideas?


-- 
bigblop



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 30 20:44:38 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:44:38 -0400
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
References: <67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<20051230022855.91150.qmail@web81812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mqig83-c0s.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

James Diehl wrote:

Please don't top-post.

> There is another Java for the Epiphany and Firefox browser set.  Java Web
> Start 1.4.  Look in your applications menu under accessories or internet. 
> It should be there!  It installs into your Firefox browser!  

That's a completely different thing.  He's looking for a JSP container -
which means something like Tomcat.  afaik, there are no JSP containers
available in Ubuntu.  
> 
> Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with
>> my Ubuntu 5.10. I wrote a simeple jsp file and loaded but is simply
>> showed me the code itself.
>> 
>> I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
>> instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.
>> 
>> But JSP still doesn't work.
>> 
>> Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Then, would there
>> somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?
> 
> Debian.  I get mine from Sid, since Ubuntu still doesn't see fit to
> include it.

-- 
derek




From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec 30 21:33:28 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:33:28 -0500
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>

Yes, LVM allows for RAID.  It can handle concatenation/jbod, mirroring, 
striping, and I believe even raid5.  It seems that the MD system is 
still supported, but will be depreciated at some point in future kernels 
once the device mapper becomes more accepted.

Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Does the Sistina LVM really allow for RAID? From what I have read,
> Sistina LVM runs on top of the device mapper, which AFAIK will only
> allow aggregation of devices (i.e. not even proper striping). If you
> use the MD subsystem, you do get the full RAID capabilities, little
> things like hot spares etc.
> 
> Running LVM on top of MD devices is not only supported, but a good
> idea if you start running large RAID5 arrays.
> 
> I keep hearing people touting LVM as some sort of a RAID solution.
> While Sistina LVM is good, it ain't MD by anyones standards.
> 
> Just my €0.02
> 
> --
> Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>
> 




From matt.egger at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 21:35:47 2005
From: matt.egger at gmail.com (Matt Egger)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:35:47 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <43B5919B.5080604@fletcher.ca>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5919B.5080604@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <f696c090512301335j11c73b99k6ad8a2f0df6df8c7@mail.gmail.com>

I have not.  Have you used it at all?  Any feedback?

Thanks,

ME


> |
> | I haven't had any problems with missign IFO files.  For DVD9 discs, I
> | still use wine/DVDShrink to compress to DVD5.  I wish there was a
> | simple native-linux solution.  Any suggestions?
> |
>
> Have you looked at dvd9to5?
>
> http://lakedaemon.netmindz.net/dvd9to5/
>
> Ed
> - --
> Ed Fletcher
> ed at fletcher.ca
>
> What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
> whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
> or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
>
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> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From jsmcq at comcast.net  Fri Dec 30 21:42:48 2005
From: jsmcq at comcast.net (Jim McQuiston)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:42:48 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <43B5A9D8.6080704@comcast.net>

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'Forum Post wrote:
> vobcopy in Breezy/Gnome - first time I've ever used it - made perfect
> copy of a 4.0GB DVD5 music video (Free-All Regions) today in under
> twenty minutes on a HP notebook. Yes, I know the thread's stale but
> this may help other newbies too.
> 
> 
> 
> vobcopy ignored my attempt to write output to an external FireWire
> Seagate disk and dumped a 2.0GB or smaller *1-1.VOB then a *1-2.VOB
> chunk onto my measly internal notebook IDE drive 8.0GB partition. In
> terminal I'd typed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Code:
> --------------------
>     vobcopy /media/cdrom1 /media/SEAGATE
> --------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> which vobcopy seemed to interpret as input path from /dev/scd0
> (external USB 2.0 Plextor DVD Recorder) so wonder if I'd used output to
> /dev/sdb1 (vfat/FAT32, first primary partition on external disk) perhaps
> it would have been more successful to avoid a subsequent copy IDE to
> external drive.
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps someone in the forum can help wih the correct vobcopy command
> layout (source, destination) as man doesn't help at all.
> 
> 
> 
> Final question, now I've got two isolated VOB files on a hard drive
> what can I do with them, for example how do I burn them in an image
> file? Of course wine/DVD Shrink says missing VIDEO_TS.IFO so that's no
> good, then K3b throws a similar message if try to burn an image as a
> new DVD Project with just two VOBs. Feel a bit lost having always run
> DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink in Windows with no problem, and I want to
> master this in Linux.
> 
> 
You might consider K9copy, which can be found at http://k9copy.free.fr/

I compiled it from source with on an AMD64 machine running Kubuntu 5.10.
It works very well.

- --
 Jim McQuiston

Registered Linux User #375957
 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S.Thompson
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 30 20:56:43 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:56:43 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
References: <1135918283.11114.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051230051154.72983.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bhjg83-c0s.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

James Diehl wrote:

>  I just got involved with the discussion groups.  I just get tired of the
>  program being knocked by people.  I read an email the other day, someone
>  saying; "I enjoyed playing around with Ubuntu for a while!" He was
>  comparing it to one of his little boys toy trucks!  When I mention that I
>  run Ubuntu Linux, people act like; "What's that?" Why don't you get a
>  real system like Windows?"  Or, if you want a real Linux, get RedHat or
>  Suse!

LOL.  I share my office with a PhD candidate pure-geek.  He's probably tried
every distro going, and finally asked me what I was running.  He downloaded
a breezy ISO, installed it in 15 minutes and hasn't looked back.  
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Dec 30 20:53:25 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:25 -0400
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512292002v5e7aae57jf42a9db18aeadcba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bjg83-c0s.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Senectus . wrote:

>> > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
>> the deal?

> for me it was the community.
> I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.

Odd.  I've never noted such an attitude.  I started with Corel Linux, and
when it became apparent they were never going anywhere, I switched to pure
Debian, and only moved to Ubuntu because it had a faster release cycle.  

I see no difference in complexity between Debian and Ubuntu - so it's not as
if people choose Ubuntu because Debian's too complex.  

All linuxes have their snobby arrogant wankers, and Ubuntu perhaps less than
most, but I remain subscribed to the same Debian lists I always followed,
because they're full of helpful people.
-- 
derek




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Fri Dec 30 23:05:29 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:29 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <5bjg83-c0s.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <77520bee0512290546h35bfa3bv21684cd3e1546ab9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051229152748.75591.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<ee970b290512291841t7a89919fo@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12e5c90512292002v5e7aae57jf42a9db18aeadcba@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bjg83-c0s.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1135983930.11114.159.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:53 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Senectus . wrote:
> 
> >> > What does everyone have against Debian?  Is it over their heads? What's
> >> the deal?
> 
> > for me it was the community.
> > I had never met such a large pack of snobby. arrogant wankers.
> > Ubuntu is different, they at least are human to _everyone_.
> 
> Odd.  I've never noted such an attitude.  I started with Corel Linux, and
> when it became apparent they were never going anywhere, I switched to pure
> Debian, and only moved to Ubuntu because it had a faster release cycle.  
> 
> I see no difference in complexity between Debian and Ubuntu - so it's not as
> if people choose Ubuntu because Debian's too complex.  
> 
> All linuxes have their snobby arrogant wankers, and Ubuntu perhaps less than
> most, but I remain subscribed to the same Debian lists I always followed,
> because they're full of helpful people.
> -- 
> derek
> 

I dropped the Debian list...

This list has SOOOooo many emails....

And life is SOOooo short..

Can't do everything.


Vram



> 




From clintin at linuxmail.org  Fri Dec 30 23:13:41 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:13:41 -0700
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
Message-ID: <20051230231341.A300D43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: Ubuntu Popularity
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:29 -0800

> This list has SOOOooo many emails....
> 
> And life is SOOooo short..
> 
> Can't do everything.

IMO ... There has been way too much chatter and top posting here.  Got up this morning to 179 messages. And then having to search through those 179 for the golden nuggets (there were a few) takes a lot of time.



From tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 30 23:34:36 2005
From: tanarrifujitsu at optusnet.com.au (William Grant)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:36 +1100
Subject: Ubuntu Popularity
In-Reply-To: <20051230231341.A300D43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051230231341.A300D43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <1135985677.27904.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:13 -0700, Clint Tinsley wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vram <lamsokvr at xprt.net>
> To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu Popularity
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:05:29 -0800
> 
> > This list has SOOOooo many emails....
> > 
> > And life is SOOooo short..
> > 
> > Can't do everything.
> 
> IMO ... There has been way too much chatter and top posting here.  Got up this morning to 179 messages. And then having to search through those 179 for the golden nuggets (there were a few) takes a lot of time.

I got up this morning to about 185 messages, and have read through every
one, as I do most mornings (if I have time). Some lists are just too
massive (debian, linux-kernel...)

William.
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From squareyes at internode.on.net  Fri Dec 30 23:48:34 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:18:34 +1030
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
Message-ID: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>

Hi all,
tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
when installed application is being configured.
.
Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
this problem.?
Thanks in advance.
Take Care
Winton



From albi at scii.nl  Sat Dec 31 00:06:26 2005
From: albi at scii.nl (albi)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:06:26 +0100
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <43B5CB82.6000702@scii.nl>

squareyes wrote:

> tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
> properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
> and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
> when installed application is being configured.
> .
> Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
> this problem.?

this could fix your prob. :

open a terminal

sudo apt-get -f install
sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts




From j.markoll at free.fr  Sat Dec 31 00:13:01 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:13:01 +0100
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <43B5CD0D.7050403@free.fr>

squareyes a écrit :
> Hi all,
> tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
> properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
> and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
> when installed application is being configured.
> .
> Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
> this problem.?
> Thanks in advance.
> Take Care
> Winton
Try 'apt-get update && apt-get install msttcorefonts'
and if it fails again continue with 'apt-get install -f'.
Best greetings, Joyce Markoll.


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From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 00:07:09 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:07:09 -0500
Subject: Windows media 9 video files in ubuntu
References: <1134310603.10066.4.camel@localhost.localdomain><bbda83370512110645ib6f8058m2489465cb42081fe@mail.gmail.com><dnhh5t$vvc$1@sea.gmane.org><200512121029.11612.james@grayonline.id.au><gangalee.20tpcm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><43B46DB3.4030408@wadesmart.com>
	<20051230004352.d5471d60.albi@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <oghanchi.20vona@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I tried this and it worked. If you have Windows on that machine, copy
wmvdmod.dll into /usr/lib/win32 in ubuntu, and you can play wm9 movies
using mplayer or xine.



Thanks,


-- 
oghanchi



From senectus at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 00:19:29 2005
From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:19:29 +0800
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>
Message-ID: <d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Zoltan Szecsei <zoltans at geograph.co.za> wrote:
> Drat! - I was hoping to get to use the stuff by circa early February
>
> Oh well, if life didn't have its little challenges, imagine how
> lethargic & complacent we'd all be.
There is nothing stopping you either upgrading to the currently buggy Dapper...
or you could even compile it on you're own.
Just don't expect much support, Dapper is mostly pre-alpha at this stage.. :-P

> Thanks for your input...
> Z
Any time friend :-)

--
www.modmeup.net
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
"Gratitude can be poisonous; it forces you to be beneath me and me to
be superior instead of equals." - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, States of
Grace.



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 01:23:32 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:23:32 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <f696c090512301335j11c73b99k6ad8a2f0df6df8c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<43B5919B.5080604@fletcher.ca>
	<f696c090512301335j11c73b99k6ad8a2f0df6df8c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512302023.32954.carney1979@gmail.com>

On Friday 30 December 2005 16:35, Matt Egger wrote:
> I have not.  Have you used it at all?  Any feedback?
>
> Thanks,

I use xDVDshrink. Found a few DVDs it won't copy, but then neither would 
Wine/DVDShrink.

xDVDshrink only copies the feature. It is native Linux.

http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From dontodd at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 01:45:19 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:45:19 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
	<daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512301745q5a68adf5nd2559413e1b519b7@mail.gmail.com>

> cd'ed and did your vobcopy -m
>
> Had a properly-formed VIDEO_TS hierarchy mirror image on the external
> drive the way I wanted it in fifteen minutes flat. Now I'll try
> wine/DVD Shrink afresh.

Is it possible to create a dvd5 image from a dvd9 hierarchy on a hard
drive? I tried using xdvdshrink and pointing to the appropriate
directory, but it complained about it not being a device. Now that
would be cool.

Todd



From carney1979 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 02:00:08 2005
From: carney1979 at gmail.com (David M. Carney)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:00:08 -0500
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
Message-ID: <200512302100.08450.carney1979@gmail.com>

Ahh, the time has finally come to consider replacing my Athlon XP 2100+ with 
512 megs ram.

I'm thinking about getting a Athlon 64 bit system.

So I want to know:

1. How is 64 bit Ubuntu?

2. Will I have to recompile apps to get full 64 bit functionality?

3. Are there apps that won't work??

Pros and cons viewpoints from 64 bit users would be especially appreciated.

Thanks!

David

-- 
Registered Linux User #297958
http://carney1979.blogspot.com/



From mark.menzies at lumison.net  Sat Dec 31 02:18:18 2005
From: mark.menzies at lumison.net (Mark Menzies)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:18:18 +0000
Subject: Con figuring a pptp VPN on ubuntu
Message-ID: <43B5EA6A.7020909@lumison.net>

Hi all

I need to add a couple of VPN connections to my laptop running ubuntu.  
Can anyone help with the set up of this?

I am new to ubuntu and an enthusiastic amatuer to linux so if you could 
make it as clear as possible, it will certainly help.

Ta in advance

Mark

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From mark.menzies at lumison.net  Sat Dec 31 02:21:13 2005
From: mark.menzies at lumison.net (Mark Menzies)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:21:13 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu Screen Res Issues
Message-ID: <43B5EB19.9020803@lumison.net>

Hi all

I have a laptop running ubuntu which runs great undocked, but when I 
dock the laptop, it doesn`t detect the new monitor nor the bigger screen 
res that its capable of.

I have the laptop dual booting with XP, and XP detects the new monitor 
and changes the screen res depending on whether or not I am docked etc.  
I have to use windows for some of the apps that I need to access but I 
prefer to run linux as a normal desktop, so any assistance would be 
great here.

The laptop is a dell lattitude 505.

ta in advance.

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From stsykin at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 03:39:09 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:39:09 -0800
Subject: Composite
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512301939u799de1e9y77605ff4cc16b488@mail.gmail.com>

    # add this near the top
    Section "Extensions"
        Option "Composite" "Enable"
    EndSectio


    # add in Device section
    Option "RenderAccel" "true"

You wrote endsectio instead of endsection
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From stsykin at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 03:43:18 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:43:18 -0800
Subject: A problem with keyboard and mouse
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512301943s194ee46aqfa7c144d82621d30@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

The problem where you click the key once and the computer seems to think
that you've clicked it multiple times is probably a problem with keyboard
and mouse sensitivity. You can edit this through the System => Preferences
menu.

Sasha
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From stsykin at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 03:52:22 2005
From: stsykin at gmail.com (Sasha Tsykin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:52:22 -0800
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
Message-ID: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I use an AMD64 bit processor in Ubuntu, and find it very useful. There is
only really one pro, you will get an operating system almost twice as fast
as the 32-bit version. The downsides seem to be that the macromedia flash
plugin doesn't work yet in 64-bit and firefox, at least for me, seems to
exhibit a degree of instability. I like 64-it because I do a lot of video
encodin and so the extra speed is very useful for me.

With regard to your question about recompiling, You will have to recompile
applications, probably, because if they are compiled with 32-bit libraries,
they will not work with 64-bit compiles, however, any programs you got
through synaptic will work just as well in 64-bit as in 32-bit, if not
better.

Probably not worth the effort unless you need the extra processing power for
something specific.

Sasha
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From mpalmer at hezmatt.org  Sat Dec 31 03:57:17 2005
From: mpalmer at hezmatt.org (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:57:17 +1100
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
In-Reply-To: <200512302100.08450.carney1979@gmail.com>
References: <200512302100.08450.carney1979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051231035717.GB24447@hezmatt.org>

On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:00:08PM -0500, David M. Carney wrote:
> Ahh, the time has finally come to consider replacing my Athlon XP 2100+ with 
> 512 megs ram.
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a Athlon 64 bit system.
> 
> So I want to know:
> 
> 1. How is 64 bit Ubuntu?

Tasty.

> 2. Will I have to recompile apps to get full 64 bit functionality?

Everything that comes with Ubuntu AMD64 is 64-bit ready.  For 3rd party
stuff, if it's not built for 64-bit, you can either rebuild it yourself (if
you can), or run the relevant software in a 32 bit (i386) chroot.

> 3. Are there apps that won't work??

Anything that is pre-compiled for 32-bit (such as binary-only drivers, DLLs
for WMV codec support, Skype, Macromedia Flash player, etc[1]) won't work
inside your main 64 bit machine, and will require special handling (if they
can be used at all).

- Matt

[1] Skype and Flash may have 64-bit compiled versions, I'm just listing
common binary-only gunk people like to use.




From celtic at sairyx.org  Sat Dec 31 05:30:40 2005
From: celtic at sairyx.org (Arlen Christian Mart Cuss)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:30:40 +1100
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B61780.7090408@sairyx.org>

This is mostly incorrect. Only programs which have been *rewritten* to 
use a 64-bit environment to its fullest extent (*not* just ported) will 
give any speed increase - but, almost all the time, `twice as fast' is a 
pipe dream. There are a few open source Flash libraries that are useful 
for a 64-bit environment, but you can use a 32-bit chroot (which is not 
difficult) to use 32-bit software.

Almost all packages for i386 in the Ubuntu APT repositories also exist 
for amd64, so *typically* software compilation is not an issue. Most 
source compiles without change.

There's not really much of an issue in using it, is there? Might as well 
be future proof!

    Arlen.

Sasha Tsykin wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I use an AMD64 bit processor in Ubuntu, and find it very useful. There 
> is only really one pro, you will get an operating system almost twi=. 
> ce as fast as the 32-bit version. The downsides seem to be that the 
> macromedia flash plugin doesn't work yet in 64-bit and firefox, at 
> least for me, seems to exhibit a degree of instability. I like 64-it 
> because I do a lot of video encodin and so the extra speed is very 
> useful for me.
>
> With regard to your question about recompiling, You will have to 
> recompile applications, probably, because if they are compiled with 
> 32-bit libraries, they will not work with 64-bit compiles, however, 
> any programs you got through synaptic will work just as well in 64-bit 
> as in 32-bit, if not better.
>
> Probably not worth the effort unless you need the extra processing 
> power for something specific.
>
> Sasha





From squareyes at internode.on.net  Sat Dec 31 06:27:34 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:34 +1030
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <43B5CB82.6000702@scii.nl>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net> <43B5CB82.6000702@scii.nl>
Message-ID: <43B624D6.9020804@internode.on.net>

albi wrote:

>squareyes wrote:
>
>  
>
>>tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
>>properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
>>and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
>>when installed application is being configured.
>>.
>>Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
>>this problem.?
>>    
>>
>
>this could fix your prob. :
>
>open a terminal
>
>sudo apt-get -f install
>sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
>
>
>  
>
Hi,
Thanks everyone, tried installing with apt-get too, same problem.
Now fixed, did ~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
and everything decided to configure and install.
Thanks again all.
Take Care
Winton



From luca76 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 07:22:46 2005
From: luca76 at gmail.com (Luca Manganelli)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:22:46 +0100
Subject: Disabling write-ahead on my usb pen drive
Message-ID: <bbda83370512302322r35512a49j1f0938e2d1bff566@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I want to disable write-ahead on my usb pen drive. How can I do it?
--
"An algorithm must be seen to be believed."
   -- Donald Knuth, in "Fundamental Algorithms"
                               http://www.trapanator.com/blog



From kaosboss at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 07:51:56 2005
From: kaosboss at gmail.com (jean gruneberg)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:51:56 +0200
Subject: Weather applet connection to internet
Message-ID: <43B6389C.7040009@gmail.com>

Hi all

I have a quirk in the weather applet connecting to the net....

Bit 'o history.

When I built my laptop (colony2 or thereabouts) I had ISDN dial up 
running on a windows box on my lan, all internet connections were 
through a proxy on the win box.

Have subsequently upgraded to ADSL, my laptop / ubuntu box / windows box 
connects diretly through the router, the windows box still runs proxy so 
my 2 kids pc's connect through that to the net (so I can have the 
illusion of control!)

Anyway, no problems converting the laptop to the router except for the 
weather applet.  If proxy not running it does not update - so it is 
still using the proxy to connect.  Have tried looking everywhere for 
where it sets it connection info to no avail.  Anyone know where it sets 
it connection settings?

Ta

Jean



From zamb at saudi.net.sa  Sat Dec 31 09:16:06 2005
From: zamb at saudi.net.sa (ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:16:06 +0300
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1136020566.17685.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 10:18 +1030, squareyes wrote:
> Hi all,
> tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
> properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
> and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
> when installed application is being configured.
> .
> Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
> this problem.?
> Thanks in advance.
> Take Care
> Winton
> 




From zamb at saudi.net.sa  Sat Dec 31 09:29:25 2005
From: zamb at saudi.net.sa (ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:29:25 +0300
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1136021365.17685.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 10:18 +1030, squareyes wrote:
> Hi all,
> tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
> properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
> and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
> when installed application is being configured.
> .
> Can't remove what I already have, any ideas on what I can do to get rid of
> this problem.?
> Thanks in advance.
> Take Care
> Winton
> 
(Sorry about the other "empty" mail.)

Do you by any chance connect to the web using a proxy?  The package
"msttcorefonts" needs to download the actual fonts from
<sourceforge.net> due to some license restrictions implied by Microsoft.

If so, install that package from a terminal like this: (In the following
change "proxy.isp.net:66666" to your real proxy address and port.)
        export http_proxy=http://proxy.isp.net:66666
        sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts

I hope this helps you.
Ziyad.




From trudheim at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 09:51:18 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:51:18 +0100
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512310151t4a27638mea1f71bea9e54d8e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/30/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Yes, LVM allows for RAID.  It can handle concatenation/jbod, mirroring,
> striping, and I believe even raid5.  It seems that the MD system is
> still supported, but will be depreciated at some point in future kernels
> once the device mapper becomes more accepted.

I really want to read the documentation that details how to set up
RAID5 with just LVM2, so please post links to that documentation. I
can not find them at all, but am very interested in how they do it.
Similarly, I can not find any documentation on how to do RAID1 with
just LVM2, so if you have links for that as well, they would be
appreciated.

I did locate one interesting document about device mapper being
"capable of mapping block devices in various ways (eg. linear,
striped, mirrored)" by Heinz Mauelshagen. The tool dmraid is required
for this, much like mdadm is required for managing MD devices.

It may be that device mapper will take over from MD at some point in
the future, but that seems a long way off considering the disparity in
capabilities.

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Dec 31 10:21:13 2005
From: old.rocker at blueyonder.co.uk (Old Rocker)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:21:13 +0000
Subject: Debian Common Core Alliance
Message-ID: <200512311021.14269.old.rocker@blueyonder.co.uk>

I read recently an article in the UK magazine "Linux Format" that pointed out 
that Ubuntu had specifically opted out from being a member of the Debian 
Common Core Alliance.  Current members include Mepis, Knoppix, Linspire, and 
Xandros, and the idea is that there should be a common core of code to which 
Debian-based distro producers could add their own to target specific users or 
to give their distros essential character.  However, the core code should 
include that which is essentially Debian and should be the basis for a common 
platform for Debian-based distros.

Mark Shuttlworth is reported as saying "I'm not prepared to devote scarce 
resources to an initiative that I believe will ultimately fail." Later in the 
article (quoting Mark's wiki) he says, "There's no point here into going into 
the reasons why I feel the DCC would fail - time will tell."

It seems to me that this is the direction that Debian-based distros should be 
heading, and even if the structure isn't perfect (I don't know that it 
isn't), it seems to me that you need to be in such an organisation to have 
your input and change its future.  However, if there are good reasons for 
believing it will end in failure, and therefore no need for Ubuntu to be 
involved, I'd like to know what those reasons are.

I've looked up Mark's wiki, and no more information is available as to why 
Mark feels the DCC will fail.  I've Googled and found out nothing more, so 
I'm asking here if anyone can shed any light on the matter.
-- 

Old Rocker



From fab at ddorf.de  Sat Dec 31 10:50:48 2005
From: fab at ddorf.de (Fabian Braennstroem)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:50:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: octaviz package installation
References: <slrndr8kco.cfd.fab@localhost.localdomain>
	<1135942382.13812.212.camel@journeyhawk>
Message-ID: <slrndrcokc.qlt.fab@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Karl,

On 2005-12-30, Karl Hegbloom <hegbloom at pdx.edu> wrote:
>  On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 21:14 +0000, Fabian Braennstroem wrote:
> > Maybe, somebody has an idea!? 
> 
>  Try with newer libs, build them too... build all without stripping them
>  (nostrip in DEB_BUILD_OPTS IIRC, if supported by individual package
>  rules script) and try again, this time under GDB.  Catch the crash and
>  debug.  :-)

Thanks! I will try to build all...

Greetings, Fabian




From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Sat Dec 31 10:57:09 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:57:09 +0800
Subject: Ubuntu Screen Res Issues
In-Reply-To: <43B5EB19.9020803@lumison.net>
References: <43B5EB19.9020803@lumison.net>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512310257g7a55a019rbbbc7ef4a1dfcee8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Mark Menzies <mark.menzies at lumison.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I have a laptop running ubuntu which runs great undocked, but when I
> dock the laptop, it doesn`t detect the new monitor nor the bigger screen
> res that its capable of.
>
> I have the laptop dual booting with XP, and XP detects the new monitor
> and changes the screen res depending on whether or not I am docked etc.
> I have to use windows for some of the apps that I need to access but I
> prefer to run linux as a normal desktop, so any assistance would be
> great here.
>
> The laptop is a dell lattitude 505.
>
> ta in advance.
>
> Mark
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Hi Mark,

I had the same problem before with my inspiron 700m. Is the laptop and the
monitor running the same resolution? I fixed mine with 855crt, but I had to
run the same resolution between laptop and external monitor. I dont know if
it will work with your laptop though since I dont know what videocard the
Latitude 505 is running.

Charles

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"It is unwise to pay to much, but it is worse to pay too little; you
sometimes lose everything becuase the thing you bought was incapable of
doing the thing it was bought to do"
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From fab at ddorf.de  Sat Dec 31 10:59:45 2005
From: fab at ddorf.de (Fabian Braennstroem)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:59:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: package request list
Message-ID: <slrndrcp56.qlt.fab@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

is there somewhere a list for package requests? I just saw
list for backports.  

I am asking because there exist a nice
program called 'salome' which provides a generic platform
for Pre and Post-Processing for numerical simulation. 

Until now, there are not to many distros which have a
package yet; actually I would say there is none. It would be
nice, if ubuntu is the first one :-)

Greetings, Fabian




From ccyao at greenleecp.com  Sat Dec 31 12:32:31 2005
From: ccyao at greenleecp.com (Charles Yao)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:32:31 +0800
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509d63b70512310432m26644363n8d69caa62dd1b39c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Sasha Tsykin <stsykin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I use an AMD64 bit processor in Ubuntu, and find it very useful. There is
> only really one pro, you will get an operating system almost twice as fast
> as the 32-bit version. The downsides seem to be that the macromedia flash
> plugin doesn't work yet in 64-bit and firefox, at least for me, seems to
> exhibit a degree of instability. I like 64-it because I do a lot of video
> encodin and so the extra speed is very useful for me.
>
> With regard to your question about recompiling, You will have to recompile
> applications, probably, because if they are compiled with 32-bit libraries,
> they will not work with 64-bit compiles, however, any programs you got
> through synaptic will work just as well in 64-bit as in 32-bit, if not
> better.
>
> Probably not worth the effort unless you need the extra processing power
> for something specific.
>
> Sasha
>
> --
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> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
>
>
Hi Sasha,

Im planning to use an AMD 64 for a small file server in our office. Is there
a large speed difference over the Pentium 4's?

Charles


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From clintin at linuxmail.org  Sat Dec 31 12:43:37 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:43:37 -0700
Subject: Debian Common Core Alliance
Message-ID: <20051231124337.306AB43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

> I read recently an article in the UK magazine "Linux Format" that pointed out
> that Ubuntu had specifically opted out from being a member of the Debian
> Common Core Alliance.  Current members include Mepis, Knoppix, Linspire, and
> Xandros, and the idea is that there should be a common core of code to which
> Debian-based distro producers could add their own to target specific users or
> to give their distros essential character.  However, the core code should
> include that which is essentially Debian and should be the basis for a common
> platform for Debian-based distros.
> 
> Mark Shuttlworth is reported as saying "I'm not prepared to devote scarce
> resources to an initiative that I believe will ultimately fail." Later in the
> article (quoting Mark's wiki) he says, "There's no point here into going into
> the reasons why I feel the DCC would fail - time will tell."
> 
> It seems to me that this is the direction that Debian-based distros should be
> heading, and even if the structure isn't perfect (I don't know that it
> isn't), it seems to me that you need to be in such an organisation to have
> your input and change its future.  However, if there are good reasons for
> believing it will end in failure, and therefore no need for Ubuntu to be
> involved, I'd like to know what those reasons are.
> 
> I've looked up Mark's wiki, and no more information is available as to why
> Mark feels the DCC will fail.  I've Googled and found out nothing more, so
> I'm asking here if anyone can shed any light on the matter.

I think that Mark Shuttleworth is correct in his actions and that the DCC may fail even though they have some great goals including building an aliance with hardware vendors to make sure the Debian Core Linux runs all hardware, pretty much what the wintel group did in making sure Windoze ran on all the hardware.  Another goals is the LSB, or Linux Standards Based core based on Debian but this may fail as well because even though the core OS may run and it does provide a framework for application compatibility, there are no assurances that it will do much to mitigate dependency hell.

There is a also a different focus between the core of the DCC which are IMO Mepis, Linspire, and Xandros with there business desktop focus who want to sell their product into the marketplace versus Mark's which is to make Linux free for everyone.  Another reason that DCC may fail in its mission is that it is only the Debian side of the Linux tree and there are the heavyweights on the RPM side of the tree with Novell/SuSE and RedHat.  LSB itself has already been tried and failed with SuSE Linux rallying the troops but little is said there now days.  Novell, IMO, is not finding Linux to be its holy grail either, as they cutback including withdrawing funds for employing (subsidizing) open source developers.

Ubuntu is right for now, it works, its current, its not restricted in its growth by a lethargic standards group, and its impressive in its implementation as not only a Linux for everyone but also in its server or enterprise configurations which includes Edubuntu and the LTSP (thin client) environments.

Clint
Linux Registered User #253140



From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Sat Dec 31 13:05:21 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:05:21 +0100
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
In-Reply-To: <43B61780.7090408@sairyx.org>
References: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B61780.7090408@sairyx.org>
Message-ID: <1136034321.9611.13.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Samstag, den 31.12.2005, 16:30 +1100 schrieb Arlen Christian Mart
Cuss:
> This is mostly incorrect. Only programs which have been *rewritten* to 
> use a 64-bit environment to its fullest extent (*not* just ported) will 
> give any speed increase - but, almost all the time, `twice as fast' is a 
> pipe dream. There are a few open source Flash libraries that are useful 
> for a 64-bit environment, but you can use a 32-bit chroot (which is not 
> difficult) to use 32-bit software.
> 
> Almost all packages for i386 in the Ubuntu APT repositories also exist 
> for amd64, so *typically* software compilation is not an issue. Most 
> source compiles without change.
> 
> There's not really much of an issue in using it, is there? Might as well 
> be future proof!
> 
>     Arlen.
> 
since i'm considering to make the same move as the OP, i would like to
pop in and ask some questions too :)

so, if i need a 32-bit chroot, does that mean that for example to get
flash working, i also need a nearly full 32-bit environment installed? 
with i386-kernel and all? or... ?
i also run a lot of applications outside of ubuntus and debians repos
and compiled them myself, and if say, i have a program like a
'panel-applet' that doesent compile on 64-bit, does this mean i can use
such thing in a 32-bit chroot?

and also important (at least for me), i also use some mono-apps. are the
64-bit versions reliable/stable?

TIA and a happy new year to all that care ;)

ulrich

-- 
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ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From basvg at cs.ru.nl  Sat Dec 31 13:37:53 2005
From: basvg at cs.ru.nl (Bas van Gils)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:37:53 +0100
Subject: Composite
In-Reply-To: <1de8539a0512301939u799de1e9y77605ff4cc16b488@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1de8539a0512301939u799de1e9y77605ff4cc16b488@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051231133753.GA29259@cs.ru.nl>

On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 07:39:09PM -0800, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> You wrote endsectio instead of endsection

Um, nope, I actually have "endsection" there... was a little mistake in
cut-and-paste..

Cheers

  Bas

-- 
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Radboud University Nijmegen Institute for Computing and Information Sciences




From ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org  Sat Dec 31 14:03:28 2005
From: ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org (ulrich steffens)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:03:28 +0100
Subject: Composite
In-Reply-To: <20051231133753.GA29259@cs.ru.nl>
References: <1de8539a0512301939u799de1e9y77605ff4cc16b488@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051231133753.GA29259@cs.ru.nl>
Message-ID: <1136037808.26395.3.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Am Samstag, den 31.12.2005, 14:37 +0100 schrieb Bas van Gils:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 07:39:09PM -0800, Sasha Tsykin wrote:
> > You wrote endsectio instead of endsection
> 
> Um, nope, I actually have "endsection" there... was a little mistake in
> cut-and-paste..
> 
> Cheers
> 
>   Bas
bas, i couldn't find any info on what graphics-driver you're using.
if you're using the ati fglrx-driver, then you're out of luck, cause
this driver doesn't support composite.

hth

ulrich
-- 
ulrich steffens
ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org
http://www.barfuss-jerusalem.org




From hentaidan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 14:04:14 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:04:14 +0000
Subject: Wine on Ubuntu AMD64
In-Reply-To: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512310604k17a17a83g@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/12/05, Simon Taplin <simon.taplin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't seem to find wine on Breezy AMD64? I have all the standard
> respositories enabled with the exception of the backports. Am I
> missing something or is it not in universe/multiverse repositories?

Searching for wine at packages.ubuntu.com only shows it as available
for i386 architectures.

If you are wanting to run i386 binaries in a 64 bit environment,
AFAIK, your best bet is to either chroot or use qemu/bochs.

If you want to run 64 bit binaries, then you will have to compile it
yourself; googling for wine + 64 bit comes up with a few hits.

Dan


--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From hentaidan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 14:05:52 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:05:52 +0000
Subject: Dapper - change from wastebasket to trash
In-Reply-To: <43B2EB33.5090905@gmail.com>
References: <43B2EB33.5090905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512310605w11cbaa9dn@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/12/05, jean gruneberg <kaosboss at gmail.com> wrote:
> Huh?
>
> First they change the trash to wastebasket in 6.04
>
> and I see now it is trash again.....

Doesn't it depend on the language? I think gb-english uses watebasket
whereas us-english uses trash etc.

--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From sh at sourcecode.de  Sat Dec 31 14:11:46 2005
From: sh at sourcecode.de (Stephan Hermann)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:11:46 +0100
Subject: package request list
In-Reply-To: <slrndrcp56.qlt.fab@localhost.localdomain>
References: <slrndrcp56.qlt.fab@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200512311511.46963.sh@sourcecode.de>

Hi,

On Saturday 31 December 2005 11:59, Fabian Braennstroem wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there somewhere a list for package requests? I just saw
> list for backports.

http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates

> I am asking because there exist a nice
> program called 'salome' which provides a generic platform
> for Pre and Post-Processing for numerical simulation.
>
> Until now, there are not to many distros which have a
> package yet; actually I would say there is none. It would be
> nice, if ubuntu is the first one :-)

If you are interested to package this software please do and read 
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU

If you need help in packaging, jump on irc.freenode.net and join #ubuntu-motu


Regards,

\sh



From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Sat Dec 31 14:21:27 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:21:27 +0100
Subject: Wine on Ubuntu AMD64
In-Reply-To: <72f07f370512310604k17a17a83g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>
	<72f07f370512310604k17a17a83g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B693E7.1060703@kaiser-linux.li>

dan wrote:
> If you want to run 64 bit binaries, then you will have to compile it
> yourself; googling for wine + 64 bit comes up with a few hits.
> 
I don't think you can run wine in a 64bit environment because all Windoz 
apps are 32bit. I run wine in a chroot on my 64bit AMD.

Regards, Thomas


-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 14:38:41 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:38:41 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu><daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com><daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<9421dc6f0512301745q5a68adf5nd2559413e1b519b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daibak.20wsgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Todd Slater Wrote: 
> > cd'ed and did your vobcopy -m

> >

> > Had a properly-formed VIDEO_TS hierarchy mirror image on the
> external

> > drive the way I wanted it in fifteen minutes flat. Now I'll try

> > wine/DVD Shrink afresh.

> 

> Is it possible to create a dvd5 image from a dvd9 hierarchy on a hard

> drive? 

> 

> Todd

> 



Hope I haven't introduced nonsense into this thread as yesterday was
merely attempting proof of concept I can copy an unencrypted
single-layer DVD-Rom DVD5 1:1 using Breezy. Once I manage that I'll
worry about DVD9.



My results yesterday were "almost there, got more work to do learning
Linux" so please bear with me:



    
- -vobcopy -m- made good mirror image of source DVD5 on external
  drive in a vfat partition

  

- With vobcopy's output on external FireWire drive I burnt image in
  K3b as new DVD Video project 4.1GB in less than seven minutes.

  Trouble was K3b stuck output K3b.img in a temp, then hidden KDE
  folder (I run Breezy Gnome) I stupidly couldn't find. Logged out from
  Breezy then back in, finally restarted Breezy all over, and when
  finally found KDE temp folder it had been cleared by the restart!

  Oh well, when finally got back to point of re-attempting burn vobcopy
  all over again as an image in K3b it said something about inadequate
  VIDEO_TS folder contents and K3b choked

  

- So ran wine 0.9.4/DVD Shrink on external drive vobcopy file - all
  encoded 1:1 perfectly by DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15 (Don't know how I forgot
  about wine/DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 as would have burnt 1:1 - silly to be
  doing this in DVD Shrink) in about 8 minutes

  

- Now using this wine/DVD Shrink's output I tried burn image again in
  K3b but same VIDEO_TS error message thrown by K3b every time.

  



Now midnight, logged off Linux and re-booted notebook into Windows XP
to load Nero 6.6.0.18. Burnt ISO from that external drive vobcopy
output, then burnt Nero ISO to a blank DVD5. Stuck DVD-R in living room
player, one more beautiful DVD-R to watch. Interestingly Windows in
Windows Nero took 14> minutes to burn DVD-R compared to Breezy K3b's <7
minutes to build K3b.img so if I can only get K3b to work...



Methinks I screwed up the Linux K3b stage, and it was not just by
"losing" that K3b.img on first go-around. 



Whenever I eject a source DVD-ROM from external USB 2.0 Plextor DVD
Recorder and insert a blank DVD+-R to burn or insert another DVD-ROM I
have to re-mount the drive in terminal. It says no media even when
there is, so I mount the blank DVD, Breezy says it's read-only so I
chmod to make it +rwx.

For sure I'm doing things all wrong as I should be able to eject/insert
DVDs at will as session owner. So is my /etc/fstab wrong and causing K3b
to choke?



/etc/fstab with no DVD+-R/RW in either/or /media/cdrom1 at Breezy
start-up




Code:
--------------------
    username at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab

  # /etc/fstab: static file system information.

  #

  # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>

  proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0

  /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1

  /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0

  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0

  /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0

  /dev/sdb        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
--------------------




and here's what have in mount as type this windy post




Code:
--------------------
    username at ubuntu:~$ mount

  /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)

  proc on /proc type proc (rw)

  sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)

  devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)

  tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)

  usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)

  tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)

  tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)

  /dev/sdb2 on /media/Sgate_2 type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)

  /dev/sdb1 on /media/SEAGATE type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
--------------------






All help greatly appreciated, TIA.


-- 
daibak



From ubuntu at paul.sladen.org  Sat Dec 31 14:46:02 2005
From: ubuntu at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:46:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: DCC Alliance failure modes
In-Reply-To: <20051231124337.306AB43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512311333020.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Clint Tinsley wrote:

Who really owns the DCCAlliance
-------------------------------
> There is a also a different focus between the core of the DCC which are
> IMO Mepis, Linspire, and Xandros

The 'core' of the DCCAlliance is Progeny and their Componentized Linux. The
other members (which you've listed above) are somewhat on the sidelines and
have basically been persuaded to put their signatures and logos on the site.

If you look through the PR material, you'll see that (except with the
website being hosted by Linspire) all the press-releases pimping the
Alliance have been from Progeny.

Successful standards
--------------------
> LSB itself has already been tried and failed with SuSE Linux

  * UnitedLinux was the SuSE effort that (mostly) failed.
  * UserLinux was the Bruce effort that (mostly) failed.
  * The LSB is not a failure.  'sudo apt-get install lsb' on Ubuntu.

The LSB (Linux Standards Base) and FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) /are/
standardising Distributions; even if some of those required changes are
initially annoying or require moving things about and altering mindsets.

The Freedesktop grouping is another place that is pulling strings together;  
the key to these two successful examples are that they are *grassroots* based.

Distributed verses executive
----------------------------
They have been built bottom-up, not top-down.  Bottom-up is how the rest of
the Free software we have has been built;  Ubuntu was started by a crack-
team of 15 people, but very quickly has tried to push work and energy out
into the community, rather than holding onto it.

Decentralising person-time is the key;  Examples of that are Universe (about
90% of the software available the Ubuntu!), the wiki and even hardware
(Laptop) testing, where the machines are distributed between as many
community members as possible.

If you look around and try to name mistakes with Ubuntu, the closest you'll
find are the two examples of top-down management---which are listed on
Mark's own wiki page;  The soft-porn backgrounds and an 11th hour (last
minute) change to click behaviour in the file-browser for Hoary.  As of the
following release, both of those were superseded.

[The naked backgrounds were possibly the single BEST piece of PR exposure
that Ubuntu has had.  Reversing that background decision was also the single
BEST demonstration (to date) that users drive the direction of Ubuntu.  
Therefore, to me, the backgrounds were /not/ a "mistake".]

Failing business models
-----------------------
> Novell, IMO, is not finding Linux to be its holy grail either,

OpenSuse is not the cash-cow that Netware was.  With GNU/Linux, if a
business can get day-to-day support cheaper elsewhere, they will.

Support is being decentralised;  Good for us, bad news for software-only
companies such as Novell, Oracle, SCO and that company in Redmond.
(Note that Apple, IBM and Intel are hardware companies---software is merely
a way to sell more physical computers).

In the gold-rush.  Sell shovels;  but don't tell people how to use them.

	-Paul

PS.  Did I mention Launchpad was about centralising resources...
-- 
This country is covered in white fluffy snow.  Helsinki, FI




From rkimber at ntlworld.com  Sat Dec 31 15:06:42 2005
From: rkimber at ntlworld.com (R Kimber)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:06:42 +0000
Subject: AMD 64 Bit Processor Info Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1136034321.9611.13.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
References: <1de8539a0512301952l6eaa8e87vd354eaeb61e6e760@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B61780.7090408@sairyx.org>
	<1136034321.9611.13.camel@rockarolla.20.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
Message-ID: <20051231150642.1195a1da.rkimber@ntlworld.com>

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:05:21 +0100
ulrich steffens <ulrich at barfuss-jerusalem.org> wrote:

> and also important (at least for me), i also use some mono-apps. are
> the 64-bit versions reliable/stable?

I have experienced instability. Some was hardware, but there are other
issues. I have experienced freezing with 64bit that didn't happen with
32bit. I think it depends on which kernel you use and what hardware
combinations you have. I believe there are certain known kernel bugs
that exist in pre-2.6.14 kernels.  Hopefully, Dapper will solve these.

I'm currently experimenting with a different window manager to see if
that helps, at least with video-related problems.

- Richard.
-- 
Richard Kimber
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/



From lgrover at zoominternet.net  Sat Dec 31 15:09:07 2005
From: lgrover at zoominternet.net (Larry Grover)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:09:07 -0500
Subject: Weather applet connection to internet
In-Reply-To: <43B6389C.7040009@gmail.com>
References: <43B6389C.7040009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B69F13.3010906@zoominternet.net>

jean gruneberg wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I have a quirk in the weather applet connecting to the net....
> 
> Bit 'o history.
> 
> When I built my laptop (colony2 or thereabouts) I had ISDN dial up 
> running on a windows box on my lan, all internet connections were 
> through a proxy on the win box.
> 
> Have subsequently upgraded to ADSL, my laptop / ubuntu box / windows box 
> connects diretly through the router, the windows box still runs proxy so 
> my 2 kids pc's connect through that to the net (so I can have the 
> illusion of control!)
> 
> Anyway, no problems converting the laptop to the router except for the 
> weather applet.  If proxy not running it does not update - so it is 
> still using the proxy to connect.  Have tried looking everywhere for 
> where it sets it connection info to no avail.  Anyone know where it sets 
> it connection settings?

Assuming you're talking about the weather applet for the gnome panel, 
you might try looking in the gnome menus under:
system -> preferences -> network proxy?

I'd guess this is where proxy setttings are specified for gnome 
applications.

You can specify "direct internet connection" here (no proxy).

Regards,
Larry



From support at wintunnel.com  Sat Dec 31 15:24:27 2005
From: support at wintunnel.com (Raymond)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:24:27 -0500
Subject: Panasonic CF-51 Sound Problems
Message-ID: <1136042667.16013.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Have a Panasonic CF-51 Toughbook with Ubuntu-5.10 and unable to get
audio stream. System sound effects work ok and the Multimedia Systems
Selector tests indicate sound is working correctly. Real v10 and
Crossover Office with Windows Media Player are both installed.  However,
the notebook's speakers or a head set produces no streaming audio, just
Ubuntu system sound effects.

Raymond




From dontodd at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 15:29:37 2005
From: dontodd at gmail.com (Todd Slater)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:29:37 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
In-Reply-To: <daibak.20wsgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com>
	<daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<9421dc6f0512301745q5a68adf5nd2559413e1b519b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<daibak.20wsgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <9421dc6f0512310729t14290eabw2b81f3b222cf3c27@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, 'Forum Post <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> Todd Slater Wrote:
> > > cd'ed and did your vobcopy -m
>
> > >
>
> > > Had a properly-formed VIDEO_TS hierarchy mirror image on the
> > external
>
> > > drive the way I wanted it in fifteen minutes flat. Now I'll try
>
> > > wine/DVD Shrink afresh.
>
> >
>
> > Is it possible to create a dvd5 image from a dvd9 hierarchy on a hard
>
> > drive?
>
> >
>
> > Todd
>
> >
>
>
>
> Hope I haven't introduced nonsense into this thread as yesterday was
> merely attempting proof of concept I can copy an unencrypted
> single-layer DVD-Rom DVD5 1:1 using Breezy. Once I manage that I'll
> worry about DVD9.

Others have recommended xdvdshrink, and I will, too. In my first test
with it I copied a DVD to the hard drive, getting the VIDEO_TS and
AUDIO_TS folders. To burn, I fired up k3b. I had to right-click to get
the icon to start a new video dvd project. k3b already had the
AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS for me, so I just browsed my filesystem and
added the files from my copy. Before burning I double checked my
options and had to change the location of the tmp file (I have a
separate /tmp partition but it's way too small to hold a dvd image),
and I had to force k3b to use a dvd-r instead of dvd+r dl, but it
burned perfectly. I'm not sure why you had a problem burning with k3b.
Good luck!



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 31 16:07:41 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:41 -0400
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Senectus . wrote:

> On 12/30/05, Zoltan Szecsei <zoltans at geograph.co.za> wrote:
>> Drat! - I was hoping to get to use the stuff by circa early February
>>
>> Oh well, if life didn't have its little challenges, imagine how
>> lethargic & complacent we'd all be.
> There is nothing stopping you either upgrading to the currently buggy
> Dapper... or you could even compile it on you're own.
> Just don't expect much support, Dapper is mostly pre-alpha at this stage..
> :-P

??  Dapper is _mostly_ fine.  There are a few problem bits.
-- 
derek




From hentaidan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 16:35:15 2005
From: hentaidan at gmail.com (dan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:35:15 +0000
Subject: Wine on Ubuntu AMD64
In-Reply-To: <43B693E7.1060703@kaiser-linux.li>
References: <e8b04e770512222317r2fa4da1eq813d2d4bf2ff7786@mail.gmail.com>
	<72f07f370512310604k17a17a83g@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B693E7.1060703@kaiser-linux.li>
Message-ID: <72f07f370512310835r6f1264ebt@mail.gmail.com>

On 31/12/05, Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu) <ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li> wrote:
> dan wrote:
> > If you want to run 64 bit binaries, then you will have to compile it
> > yourself; googling for wine + 64 bit comes up with a few hits.
> >
> I don't think you can run wine in a 64bit environment because all Windoz
> apps are 32bit. I run wine in a chroot on my 64bit AMD.

Not all; Windows 64 bit exists:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx

Some info in the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-97026.html

--
http://www.danicity.co.uk



From lcacciari at altern.org  Sat Dec 31 16:54:36 2005
From: lcacciari at altern.org (Leo Cacciari)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:54:36 +0100
Subject: synaptic: not integrated with apt-listbug
Message-ID: <20051231165436.7C7901BE80@localhost.localdomain>

Package: synaptic
Version: 0.57.4ubuntu10
Severity: minor


Before switching to Ubuntu, I was used to aptitude, and used apt-listbug in it.
I installed apt-listbug on my system but when apt-listbug asks for user action 
(i.e. when the bug list is not empty) synaptic is unaware of it, and so is the
user unless he/she has the terminal window open.

Wouldn't be possible that synaptic asked for interaction in much the same
way it does for debconf dialogs? 

I do not realy know if the problem is in synaptic or if it is a matter of 
apt-listbug not using debconf-style dialogs. In the latter case obviously this
bug should have been tagged against apt-listbug. Let me know if you need me
to effectively post such a bug report.



-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers breezy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'breezy-updates'), (500, 'breezy-security'), (500, 'breezy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12-20051226
Locale: LANG=it_IT.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=it_IT.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages synaptic depends on:
ii  apt [libapt-pk 0.6.40.1ubuntu9           Advanced front-end for dpkg
ii  libatk1.0-0    1.10.3-0ubuntu2           The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu12           GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libcairo2      1.0.2-0ubuntu1            The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libfontconfig1 2.3.2-1ubuntu4            generic font configuration library
ii  libfreetype6   2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1          FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii  libgcc1        1:4.0.1-4ubuntu9          GCC support library
ii  libglade2-0    1:2.5.1-2ubuntu1          library to load .glade files at ru
ii  libglib2.0-0   2.8.3-0ubuntu1            The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.8.6-0ubuntu2.1          The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  liblaunchpad-i 0.0patch26+mvo20-0ubuntu2 library for launchpad integration
ii  libncurses5    5.4-9ubuntu4              Shared libraries for terminal hand
ii  libpango1.0-0  1.10.1-0ubuntu1           Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libstdc++6     4.0.1-4ubuntu9            The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libvte4        1:0.11.15-0ubuntu2        Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 
ii  libx11-6       1:6.2.1+cvs.20050722-8    X11 client-side library
ii  libxcursor1    1.1.4-0ubuntu5            X cursor management library
ii  libxext6       1:6.4.3-3                 X11 miscellaneous extension librar
ii  libxfixes3     1:3.0.0-3                 X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio
ii  libxft2        2.1.7-1ubuntu5            FreeType-based font drawing librar
ii  libxi6         1:1.3.0-2                 X11 Input extension library
ii  libxinerama1   1:1.1.0+cvs.20050821-1    X11 Xinerama extension library
ii  libxml2        2.6.21-0ubuntu1           GNOME XML library
ii  libxrandr2     1:1.0.2-2                 X11 RandR extension library
ii  libxrender1    1:0.9.0-1                 X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  scrollkeeper   0.3.14-10ubuntu1          A free electronic cataloging syste
ii  zlib1g         1:1.2.3-3ubuntu4          compression library - runtime

Versions of packages synaptic recommends:
pn  deborphan                <none>          (no description available)
ii  gksu                     1.3.0-1ubuntu11 graphical frontend to su
ii  libgnome2-perl           1.023-1         Perl interface to the GNOME librar

-- no debconf information



From clintin at linuxmail.org  Sat Dec 31 17:26:24 2005
From: clintin at linuxmail.org (Clint Tinsley)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:26:24 -0700
Subject: DCC Alliance failure modes
Message-ID: <20051231172624.3B6C343EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>

> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Clint Tinsley wrote:

Hopefully this will not start in to a flame or troll ..

> Who really owns the DCCAlliance
> -------------------------------
> > There is a also a different focus between the core of the DCC which are
> > IMO Mepis, Linspire, and Xandros
> 
> The 'core' of the DCCAlliance is Progeny and their Componentized Linux. The
> other members (which you've listed above) are somewhat on the sidelines and
> have basically been persuaded to put their signatures and logos on the site.
> 
> If you look through the PR material, you'll see that (except with the
> website being hosted by Linspire) all the press-releases pimping the
> Alliance have been from Progeny.

As an attendee and having media creditentials, I attended LinuxWorld in San Francisco where I spent time with the major "movers and shakers" in the DCC initiative.  Progeny was not one of them, Ian Murdock statements and the name on the letterhead doesn't make it so.  IMO, I would give some credit to Mr. Warren Woodward of Mepis for leading the charge.
 
> Successful standards
> --------------------
> > LSB itself has already been tried and failed with SuSE Linux
> 
>    * UnitedLinux was the SuSE effort that (mostly) failed.
>    * UserLinux was the Bruce effort that (mostly) failed.
>    * The LSB is not a failure.  'sudo apt-get install lsb' on Ubuntu.

A Rose is a rose is not a rose.  AFIK, Debian LSB is attempt 3.0 and if you do install it, what does it break?

> They have been built bottom-up, not top-down.  Bottom-up is how the rest of
> the Free software we have has been built;  Ubuntu was started by a crack-
> team of 15 people, but very quickly has tried to push work and energy out
> into the community, rather than holding onto it.

No disagreement here.

> If you look around and try to name mistakes with Ubuntu, the closest you'll
> find are the two examples of top-down management---which are listed on
> Mark's own wiki page;  The soft-porn backgrounds and an 11th hour (last
> minute) change to click behaviour in the file-browser for Hoary.  As of the
> following release, both of those were superseded.
> 
> [The naked backgrounds were possibly the single BEST piece of PR exposure
> that Ubuntu has had.  Reversing that background decision was also the single
> BEST demonstration (to date) that users drive the direction of Ubuntu.
> Therefore, to me, the backgrounds were /not/ a "mistake".]

I am not sure the change in the background was as much user driven as by the PC police.

> Failing business models
> -----------------------
> > Novell, IMO, is not finding Linux to be its holy grail either,
> 
> OpenSuse is not the cash-cow that Netware was.  With GNU/Linux, if a
> business can get day-to-day support cheaper elsewhere, they will.

OpenSuSE is not the only cow on Novell's farm but only the Open Source one.  They also have the Open Enterprise server that encompasses Netware, SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server), NLD (Novell Linux Desktop), and the Zenworks suite which includes LUM (Linux User Management) and RedCarpet update channel.  The stakes for and investment in the Linux platform by Novell are substantial.  They also have a major partner in all this ($50 million), IBM, who have offered SuSE SLES on their mainframes for more than a couple years now.

> Support is being decentralised;  Good for us, bad news for software-only
> companies such as Novell, Oracle, SCO and that company in Redmond.

Novell support is currently a bit of a very bad, IMO, joke.  I bought SuSE 10.0 Retail so I could get support but so far have got none.  Their hours are like noon to 5 PM and the three times I have called, I have got the same person answering the phone.  I was calling to get my registration fixed so I could get my customer identification number so that I could get support.  Last time I called, I was promised action and I would get a confirming email.  None recieved.  The real reason I had called them was to get their take on the IPv6 issue but they only provide "installation" support and that doesn't include resolving connectivity issues such as IPv6.  I am a Novell CNE6, I have bled Novell Red, have attended the last 10 consecutive Brainshare Developer Conferences in Salt Lake City but I won't be making it 11.

> In the gold-rush.  Sell shovels;  but don't tell people how to use them.

I thought the appropriate advise was to teach a man to fish so he can feed himself...

Clint




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 17:22:39 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:22:39 -0500
Subject: Samba / SWAT
References: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com>
	<1134942432.26193.33.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
Message-ID: <troykd.20x0sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


I'm new to Linux and I'm having a similar problem.  Tried the above but
still get

"An error occurred while loading http://127.0.0.1:901/:"

"Could not connect to host 127.0.0.1 (port 901)."



I installed Kubuntu on two machines and both have the same problem when
trying to access Swat.  With Suse 10 installed, Swat access was not a
problem.

I have a feeling I'm not doing something basic.  



Any ideas?


-- 
troykd



From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 31 17:46:54 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:46:54 +0100
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>
	<dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 12:07 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Senectus . wrote:
> > Just don't expect much support, Dapper is mostly pre-alpha at this stage.. :-P
> 
> ??  Dapper is _mostly_ fine.  There are a few problem bits.
> -- 
> derek


Hum, for me I would say the truth is in-between your two opinions ;-)
I would say it's surprisingly stable and functional given where it is in
its development cycle, machine boots, X starts, Gnome starts, and the
most of the desktop works okay. So I would say it's very unfair to call
it pre-alpha ;-) I would say early beta.
But mostly because of a hardware support regression which renders my old
SCSI CD writer completely useless, I would call it pre-beta ;-)
On the plus side, I don't notice that many Dapper-specific bugs on the
desktop side of things, so with 3 and half months left of work, the
potential for a highly polished release, as was announced for Dapper, is
definitely there...  I like that :-)

Right now nnot much is happening on Dapper, I guess everyone is on hols,
can't wait everyone to be back up to speed, seeing Dapper grow up day by
day is very exciting, as is discovering and filing bugs...


--
Vince




From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Sat Dec 31 18:06:12 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:06:12 +0200
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>	<dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <43B6C894.2060004@geograph.co.za>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:

> On the plus side, I don't notice that many Dapper-specific bugs on the
> desktop side of things, so with 3 and half months left of work, the
> potential for a highly polished release, as was announced for Dapper, is
> definitely there...  I like that :-)
> 
> Right now nnot much is happening on Dapper, I guess everyone is on hols,
> can't wait everyone to be back up to speed, seeing Dapper grow up day by
> day is very exciting, as is discovering and filing bugs...
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 
> 

I've just installed flight 2 i386 on another HD - to test the APIC issue 
I am having with breezy and smp kernels on my 945g based P4-830 box.
Sadly, I cannot find any dapper smp kernels...... but that is not the 
reason I am posting this.

I'm the guy who originally posted the request for xorg 6.9/7 for breezy 
and what I'm now keen to find out is, is dapper actually going to use 
the 6.9/7 xorg version, or is it already frozen at the 6.8.2-77 version, 
which is on the flight 2 iso?

Cheers & have a good new year,

Zoltan



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From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Sat Dec 31 18:17:07 2005
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:17:07 -0500
Subject: starting X on tv-out from Hauppauge pvr-350
Message-ID: <20051231181707.GA17034@utoronto.ca>

hello folks, 

apologies for the cross-posting, I'm not exctly sure where this
question belongs.  

I am trying to get a mythtv setup working under ubuntu breezy, using a
hauppauge pvr-350 as my capture card; other hardware is old generic dell
pentium-III -- may well move to something more substantial if I can
get the system working otherwise.  

Following instructions from varioys places
(http://www.willmer.com/kb/2005/04/x-out-on-a-pvr-350/,
http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html especially) I have had
moderate success:  ivtv modules load fine, I can watch tv on a monitor
using mythtv, and using 
 dd if=/dev/video0 of=/dev/video16 bs=64k
I can see television on the tv using the pvr-350's tv-out.  

so all of that's gret.  However I would like to use this system
exclusively from the tv, andi n order to do that I need to set up an
xserver on the tv.  I feel like I'm getting close, having conquered
several problems already, but I'ver run up against something I've
never understood, related to the framebuffer. 

I have the following in xorg.conf:
-------------------------------------------- 

Section "Device"
Identifier "Hauppauge PVR350"
Driver "ivtvdev"
Option "fbdev" "/dev/fb1"
# Option "fbdev" "/dev/fb0"
BusID "0:13:0" # this is the PCI ID you got earlier.
EndSection



Section "Screen"
Identifier "TV"
Device "Hauppauge PVR350"
Monitor "NTSC Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
DefaultFbbpp 32
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
FbBpp 32
EndSubsection
EndSection

---------------------------------------
obviously lots of stuff is snipped out, and you can see I'm
alternating on t he /dev/fb line (/dev/fb0 vs //dev/fb1)

the problems with xorg seem to relate to this line.  Everythign works fine --
drivers load etc -- until this point:


(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
        Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
        ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4
(II) IVTVDEV_TST: driver for framebuffer: PVR-350
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(--) Chipset PVR-350 found
(EE) open /dev/fb1: No such file or directory
(EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
(II) UnloadModule: "ivtvdev"
(EE) Device(s) detected, but none match those in the config file.

Fatal server error:
no screens found


I notice that the "Primary Device" listed here is my onboard video
card, not the pvr-350; not sure why that information comes up, and
also not sure it's relevant.  Also, I checked for /dev/fb1 and in fact
there is no such file.  so I tried changing that line to /dev/fb0,
which does exist, and got this instead:


(II) IVTVDEV_TST: driver for framebuffer: PVR-350
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(--) Chipset PVR-350 found
(EE) ivtvHWProvbe failed to do IVTVFB_IOCTL_GET_STATE for device
/dev/fb0
(EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
(II) UnloadModule: "ivtvdev"
(EE) Device(s) detected, but none match those in the config file.

Fatal server error:
no screens found

-------------------------

Since I still, after several years, don't really understand the
framebuffer, I feel stumped.  Can anyone tell me how I ought to
investigate further?

thank,

matt


-------------------------------------------
Matt Price	    matt.price at utoronto.ca
History Department, University of Toronto
(416) 978-2094
--------------------------------------------



From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 18:24:48 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:24:48 +0200
Subject: Samba / SWAT
In-Reply-To: <troykd.20x0sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
References: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com>
	<1134942432.26193.33.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net>
	<troykd.20x0sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Message-ID: <1136053489.14434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 12:22 -0500, 'Forum Post wrote:
> I'm new to Linux and I'm having a similar problem.  Tried the above but
> still get
> 
> "An error occurred while loading http://127.0.0.1:901/:"
> 
> "Could not connect to host 127.0.0.1 (port 901)."
> 
> 
> 
> I installed Kubuntu on two machines and both have the same problem when
> trying to access Swat.  With Suse 10 installed, Swat access was not a
> problem.
> 
> I have a feeling I'm not doing something basic.  
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> -- 
> troykd
> 

I think you need to run swat with root. Not your user password as is
common in ubuntu, but root. I have no idea why. See
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1795.html




From davidforlinux at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 31 18:25:11 2005
From: davidforlinux at yahoo.co.uk (david robert)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:25:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: ubuntu users openion required
Message-ID: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

  Hi guys,

I am planning to create a downlodable tools site for debian and ubuntu users.I want to know exactly what type of tools or softwares ubuntu users are looking for.If any one is having any ideas or tools name to suggest most welcome.Just i want to make more ubuntu and debian users feel like one place to download all the tools

Thank you very much for you time


		
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From soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Dec 31 18:45:01 2005
From: soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net (Soo-Hyun Choi)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:01 +0000
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
References: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
	<67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
Message-ID: <f64556f70512311045x3ab1fe0fw5e5cec88f1a2509a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your comment,

By the way, what do you mean by that you got Tomcat 5 from Debian Sid?
Would you tell me little bit more on this?

SH-

On 12/30/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with
> > my Ubuntu 5.10. I wrote a simeple jsp file and loaded but is simply
> > showed me the code itself.
> >
> > I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
> > instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.
> >
> > But JSP still doesn't work.
> >
> > Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Then, would there
> > somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?
>
> Debian.  I get mine from Sid, since Ubuntu still doesn't see fit to include
> it.
> --
> derek
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-users mailing list
> ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>



From ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li  Sat Dec 31 18:49:28 2005
From: ubuntu at kaiser-linux.li (Thomas Kaiser (ubuntu))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:49:28 +0100
Subject: ubuntu users openion required
In-Reply-To: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B6D2B8.5010500@kaiser-linux.li>

david robert wrote:
> I am planning to create a downlodable tools site for debian and ubuntu 
> users.

What do you mean with "tools"?

If something is missing it should be added to "multiverse" or 
"universe". Or do I miss something?

apt-get "whateveryourappiscalled" should finally do the trick, I 
think/hope :-)

Regards, Thomas



-- 
http://www.kaiser-linux.li



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 19:08:24 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:08:24 -0800
Subject: ubuntu users openion required
In-Reply-To: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512311108q6f315bd6n5471f5652fdea000@mail.gmail.com>

> I am planning to create a downlodable tools site for debian and ubuntu
> users.I want to know exactly what type of tools or softwares ubuntu users
> are looking for.If any one is having any ideas or tools name to suggest most
> welcome.Just i want to make more ubuntu and debian users feel like one place
> to download all the tools
>
> Thank you very much for you time

I generally use packages from the 15000+ available from the ubuntu repositories.

The only ones I had to manually install in recent months at one time
or another were packages like Java 1.5, Flash (the recently updated
release), penguintv, skype and gizmo.


--
Daniel Robitaille



From robitaille at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 19:17:19 2005
From: robitaille at gmail.com (Daniel Robitaille)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:17:19 -0800
Subject: wireless on either eth1 or eth2
Message-ID: <e453abbe0512311117r1c1a5534sede7e597b1f5c1e@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Dell laptop using Dapper with both an internal wired card and
a wireless card.  While the wired card always shows up as eth0, the
wireless card shows up as either eth1 and eth2.  Which one of eth1 or
eth2 it uses seems to change at nearly every reboot.

While it's not really impacting the functionally of my laptop (except
for the gnome-network applet; I currently keeps two in my panel, one
or eth1 and one for eth2 to be sure I always have one that works by
default), I find this curious, and I don't remember this happening in
Breezy or earlier in the Dapper cycle.  I also uses netapplet, which
may or may not be related to this.  Anyone has any insight of why my
laptop is acting that way?


--
Daniel Robitaille



From psusi at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 19:24:56 2005
From: psusi at cfl.rr.com (Phillip Susi)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:24:56 -0500
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512310151t4a27638mea1f71bea9e54d8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512310151t4a27638mea1f71bea9e54d8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B6DB08.2060902@cfl.rr.com>

Anders Karlsson wrote:
> I really want to read the documentation that details how to set up
> RAID5 with just LVM2, so please post links to that documentation. I
> can not find them at all, but am very interested in how they do it.
> Similarly, I can not find any documentation on how to do RAID1 with
> just LVM2, so if you have links for that as well, they would be
> appreciated.
> 

Hrm... I just checked and it looks like there is NOT yet a raid5 module 
for the device mapper, only linear, stripe, mirror, and snapshot.  I am 
not very familliar with the lvm utility programs, but I'm sure that it 
exports the functionality availible in the underlying device mapper.

> I did locate one interesting document about device mapper being
> "capable of mapping block devices in various ways (eg. linear,
> striped, mirrored)" by Heinz Mauelshagen. The tool dmraid is required
> for this, much like mdadm is required for managing MD devices.
> 

dmraid is a utility that scans physical drives for the parameter block 
that the bios for hardware fakeraids writes to the disk, then configures 
the device mapper to access the raid volume.  LVM uses metadata stored 
on the disk in a different way, but also configures the kernel device 
mapper to access the volumes.  You can directly manipulate the device 
mapper with the dmsetup command.

> It may be that device mapper will take over from MD at some point in
> the future, but that seems a long way off considering the disparity in
> capabilities.
> 

Right now it looks like the only features md offers that dm does not are 
raid5 and raid6.  My guess is those will be forthcoming soon.




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 31 19:35:00 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:35:00 +0100
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <43B6C894.2060004@geograph.co.za>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>
	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>
	<dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>
	<43B6C894.2060004@geograph.co.za>
Message-ID: <1136057700.4697.103.camel@localhost>

> ... and what I'm now keen to find out is, is dapper actually going to use 
> the 6.9/7 xorg version, or is it already frozen at the 6.8.2-77 version, 
> which is on the flight 2 iso?

Dunno, time will tell eventually ! ;-)

If you are in hurry, might be worth dropping Daniel Stone a mail
(daniel.stone at ubuntu dot com) . 
He is the man behind anything Xorg for Ubuntu... if he doesn't know...
nobody else will ! ;-)


--
Vince






From zoltans at geograph.co.za  Sat Dec 31 19:50:15 2005
From: zoltans at geograph.co.za (Zoltan Szecsei)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:50:15 +0200
Subject: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
In-Reply-To: <1136057700.4697.103.camel@localhost>
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>	<dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>	<1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>	<43B6C894.2060004@geograph.co.za>
	<1136057700.4697.103.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <43B6E0F7.1070900@geograph.co.za>

Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
>>... and what I'm now keen to find out is, is dapper actually going to use 
>>the 6.9/7 xorg version, or is it already frozen at the 6.8.2-77 version, 
>>which is on the flight 2 iso?
> 
> 
> Dunno, time will tell eventually ! ;-)
> 
> If you are in hurry, might be worth dropping Daniel Stone a mail
> (daniel.stone at ubuntu dot com) . 
> He is the man behind anything Xorg for Ubuntu... if he doesn't know...
> nobody else will ! ;-)
> 
> 
> --
> Vince
> 
> 
> 
> 
Cool - I'll politely pester him later.......

Cheers
Zoltan

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From pinkisntwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 20:02:02 2005
From: pinkisntwell at gmail.com (Giorgos)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:02:02 +0200
Subject: RenderAccel
Message-ID: <1136059323.20547.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I noticed that RenderAccel option is not enabled on my xorg.conf.

I enabled it and restarted X but I noticed no speed improvement.

What's the story with this?




From squareyes at internode.on.net  Sat Dec 31 20:03:19 2005
From: squareyes at internode.on.net (squareyes)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 06:33:19 +1030
Subject: msttcorefonts problem
In-Reply-To: <1136021365.17685.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43B5C752.3070403@internode.on.net>
	<1136021365.17685.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <43B6E407.2030705@internode.on.net>

ZIYAD A. M. AL-BATLY wrote:

>On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 10:18 +1030, squareyes wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi all,
>>tried to install msttcorefonts with Synaptic, failed to install
>>properly, now everything I install ends up going to sourceforge,
>>and trying to re-install msttcorefonts, which do not install properly
>>when installed application is being configured.
>>.
>>
>>    
>>
>(Sorry about the other "empty" mail.)
>  
>
Hi Ziyah, no problems, matches my head most of the time :-)

>Do you by any chance connect to the web using a proxy?  The package
>"msttcorefonts" needs to download the actual fonts from
><sourceforge.net> due to some license restrictions implied by Microsoft.
>  
>
I wasn't having any problems downloading from Sourceforge.net,
just wouldn't unpack and configure. "No Cabinet available" or similar
message. Then any other package I tried to install would not unpack 
/configure,
kept going back to Sourceforge and re-downloading msttcorefonts.
Did  sudo dpkg --configure -a  and everything that had not unpacked and 
configured
did so.

>If so, install that package from a terminal like this: (In the following
>change "proxy.isp.net:66666" to your real proxy address and port.)
>        export http_proxy=http://proxy.isp.net:66666
>        sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
>
>I hope this helps you.
>Ziyad.
>  
>
Thanks Ziyad,
Take Care
Winton

>
>  
>




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 31 19:53:04 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:53:04 -0400
Subject: SMP kernel (was: X11R6.9/7 for breezy
References: <43B54B5C.7080501@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512300728x6df24b52vb480baf70f7b5b7e@mail.gmail.com>	<43B5541A.1060206@geograph.co.za>	<d12e5c90512301619r90b036el1937e3d1ddfcde48@mail.gmail.com>	<dvmi83-ndt.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<1136051214.4697.15.camel@localhost>
	<43B6C894.2060004@geograph.co.za>
Message-ID: <164j83-ruu.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Zoltan Szecsei wrote:

> I've just installed flight 2 i386 on another HD - to test the APIC issue
> I am having with breezy and smp kernels on my 945g based P4-830 box.
> Sadly, I cannot find any dapper smp kernels...... but that is not the
> reason I am posting this.

I think - but not having an SMP system I haven't really checked into this -
that there is no longer an SMP/UP distinction.  uname now says:

Linux othello 2.6.15-9-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT ...

on my uniprocessor.
-- 
derek




From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 20:39:58 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:58 -0500
Subject: Samba / SWAT
References: <43A5C8C4.1070007@weblore.com><1134942432.26193.33.camel@mirage.kaarsemaker.net><troykd.20x0sm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<1136053489.14434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <cocox.20x94m@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


they already answer you....



sudo apt-get install swat



sudo update-inetd --enable swat



http://localhost:901/



your user acc and pass 



:cool:


-- 
cocox



From j.markoll at free.fr  Sat Dec 31 20:57:58 2005
From: j.markoll at free.fr (J.Markoll)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:57:58 +0100
Subject: ubuntu users openion required
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512311108q6f315bd6n5471f5652fdea000@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051231182511.61249.qmail@web25810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<e453abbe0512311108q6f315bd6n5471f5652fdea000@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B6F0D6.8080102@free.fr>

Daniel Robitaille a écrit :
>>I am planning to create a downlodable tools site for debian and ubuntu
>>users.I want to know exactly what type of tools or softwares ubuntu users
>>are looking for.If any one is having any ideas or tools name to suggest most
>>welcome.Just i want to make more ubuntu and debian users feel like one place
>>to download all the tools
>>
>>Thank you very much for you time
> 
> 
> I generally use packages from the 15000+ available from the ubuntu repositories.
> 
> The only ones I had to manually install in recent months at one time
> or another were packages like Java 1.5, Flash (the recently updated
> release), penguintv, skype and gizmo.
> 
> 
> --
> Daniel Robitaille
I will look maybe slightly surrealist. I'd love having a KQemu 
precompiled with Qemu and a very understundable README.txt included, or 
a very great man dedicated whatsoever, for this specific future package 
to come.
I'd also love a full course with practicle examples that we could 
realize alltogether and send to a group of geeks able to make a package 
out of it, so our own benefits would be all's newbie's benefits.

Let's see what comes out of these funny ideas ?
Best greetings, nice end of year, Joyce Markoll.


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From dman13 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 21:01:53 2005
From: dman13 at gmail.com (Derrick Hudson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:01:53 -0500
Subject: wireless on either eth1 or eth2
In-Reply-To: <e453abbe0512311117r1c1a5534sede7e597b1f5c1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e453abbe0512311117r1c1a5534sede7e597b1f5c1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c840b090512311301r2ac54781u743ce64c788de696@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Daniel Robitaille <robitaille at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a Dell laptop using Dapper with both an internal wired card and
> a wireless card.  While the wired card always shows up as eth0, the
> wireless card shows up as either eth1 and eth2.  Which one of eth1 or
> eth2 it uses seems to change at nearly every reboot.
>
> While it's not really impacting the functionally of my laptop (except
> for the gnome-network applet; I currently keeps two in my panel, one
> or eth1 and one for eth2 to be sure I always have one that works by
> default), I find this curious, and I don't remember this happening in
> Breezy or earlier in the Dapper cycle.  I also uses netapplet, which
> may or may not be related to this.  Anyone has any insight of why my
> laptop is acting that way?

The numbering is pretty much arbitrary and up to the kernel and the
drivers to choose.  However, install the 'ifrename' package and create
an /etc/iftab file to specify a name of your choosing (say wired and
wireless) for each interface.  This will eliminate any side-effects of
the kernel's auto numbering and also prevent the numbers from changing
if you use any removable network adapters.

HTH,
-D



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 31 20:14:15 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:14:15 -0400
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
References: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
	<67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<f64556f70512311045x3ab1fe0fw5e5cec88f1a2509a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <pd5j83-ruu.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:

> Thanks for your comment,
> 
> By the way, what do you mean by that you got Tomcat 5 from Debian Sid?
> Would you tell me little bit more on this?
> 
Well, I would have done - except that I just checked "apt-cache policy
tomcat5" and see that it IS now in Ubuntu.  So I'd recommend you make sure
that you have the Ubuntu universe repository is enabled
in /etc/apt/sources.list and just do:
  aptitude install tomcat5-webapps tomcat5-admin

Thank you, MOTU, for getting Tomcat in universe!  
-- 
derek




From ed at fletcher.ca  Sat Dec 31 21:10:02 2005
From: ed at fletcher.ca (Ed Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:10:02 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Incorrect Report by df -h
Message-ID: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>

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Hi All:

Happy New Year to everyone!

I'm cleaning up a couple of partitions and I'm not getting the results
that I expected.  I enabled a root terminal with 'sudo -i' because one
of the partitions wouldn't let me delete some of the directories.  I got
rid of absolutely everything except for lost+found, which is empty.

This is what I end up with:

root:/mnt # df -h  (other partitions not shown)
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdb7             9.2G   33M  8.7G   1% /temp
/dev/sda2              55G   33M   52G   1% /mnt
root:/mnt #

The numbers don't add up.

I know that they are empty.  In sda2 I get:

root:/mnt# ls -al
total 24
drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 .
drwxr-xr-x  23 root    root   4096 Nov 29 19:26 ..
drwx------   2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 lost+found
root:/mnt # cd lost+found/
root:/mnt/lost+found # ls -al
total 20
drwx------  2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 ..
root:/mnt/lost+found #

'ls -al' shows that there are no files in this partition.  Doing the
same check on sdb7 gives me the same result.  But 'df -h' shows almost
the exact same result for sdb7 except that the blocks used by lost+found
are 49152.

The sdb7 partition is ext3 and sda2 is ext2.  I don't see where the
space is being used except that there are high block counts in
lost+found in both partitions.  I can likely solve this by unmounting
both and rewriting the filesystems, but that wouldn't solve the mystery
for me.

Can anybody give me a hint as to what is happening here?

Many thanks,
Ed
- --
Ed Fletcher
ed at fletcher.ca

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty or democracy?  -  Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Dec 31 20:18:26 2005
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:18:26 -0400
Subject: wireless on either eth1 or eth2
References: <e453abbe0512311117r1c1a5534sede7e597b1f5c1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jl5j83-ve.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>

Daniel Robitaille wrote:

> I have a Dell laptop using Dapper with both an internal wired card and
> a wireless card.  While the wired card always shows up as eth0, the
> wireless card shows up as either eth1 and eth2.  Which one of eth1 or
> eth2 it uses seems to change at nearly every reboot.
> 
> While it's not really impacting the functionally of my laptop (except
> for the gnome-network applet; I currently keeps two in my panel, one
> or eth1 and one for eth2 to be sure I always have one that works by
> default), I find this curious, and I don't remember this happening in
> Breezy or earlier in the Dapper cycle.  I also uses netapplet, which
> may or may not be related to this.  Anyone has any insight of why my
> laptop is acting that way?

While this hasn't personally happened to me, I've seen a couple of other
cases where it happened after udev upgrades.  You should be able to write a
udev rule to force it to eth1.
-- 
derek




From dman13 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 21:12:08 2005
From: dman13 at gmail.com (Derrick Hudson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:12:08 -0500
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512311045x3ab1fe0fw5e5cec88f1a2509a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
	<67ge83-cp6.ln1@news.pointerstop.ca>
	<f64556f70512311045x3ab1fe0fw5e5cec88f1a2509a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c840b090512311312i6617b9d6i57316e5cd9ea61c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> > Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to work on JSP (Java Server Pages) on top of Apache2 with

Apache is a web server, but is not a JSP container.  You will need a
JSP container to process and execute the JSPs.

> > > Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > Then, would there
> > > somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?
> >
> > Debian.  I get mine from Sid, since Ubuntu still doesn't see fit to include
> > it.

> By the way, what do you mean by that you got Tomcat 5 from Debian Sid?
> Would you tell me little bit more on this?

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/tomcat5

You can add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list that refers to debian Sid
(aka "unstable").  If you do, you should also add a priority to
/etc/apt/preferences so that apt doesn't prefer Sid packages over
Ubuntu ones.  By doing this you can use aptitude or synaptic or
whatever to install the packages.

-D



From kt-usenet at squeakydolphin.com  Sat Dec 31 21:16:53 2005
From: kt-usenet at squeakydolphin.com (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:53 -0600
Subject: Backing up DVD movies
Message-ID: <pan.2005.12.31.21.16.52.286428@squeakydolphin.com>

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I posted this note to the Ubuntu forum, but I didn't get any response
there.  I probably shouldn't have added it to an old thread.  Anyway, I
thought someone here might be able to help me.  

- --------------------

I'm having some problems with this myself so instead of creating a new 
thread I thought I would just add to this one.

My daughter, two, has figured out how to put her own DVDs in the player 
without any assistance from me. Although I'm quite proud of this feat, 
she hasn't yet learned how to hold a DVD without putting her fingers on 
the recording surface or treating it in such a way that ceases to 
perform as a DVD.

So here I am trying to copy Shrek to a new disk. The old one works fine 
in my computer but is essentially useless on the DVD player we have 
connected to the TV. This is probably only the first of several of her 
shows that I'm going to backup and preserve somewhere that it will be 
safe from grape jam covered fingers.

So here we go...

I've got a dual layer recorder that connects to my laptop using USB. The
recorder works great with Verbatim dual layer disks (but not other 
brands. I've asked BusLink for a firmware upgrade but they don't seem to 
know what their doing. NEC has released the firmware upgrade some time 
ago, but only for internal drives. I can record data to this drive 
without any problems. It works great.

I can also pull the data off the DVDs with dvdbackup and libdvdcss 
without any problems. I have a perfect working copy of shrek on my hard 
drive now that I can play through totem-xine. The menus work, everything 
works.

Unfortunately when I burn it to DVD it doesn't work quite as expected. 
The menus don't work perfectly. There are long delays while it is 
loading. On occassion the disk will freeze at some scene.

The command I'm using to burn the DVD is this:

sudo nice -n -10 growisofs -speed 1 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdrw -dvd-video SHREK

There are two problems with this that I notice write away.

1) It would be better if I could do this in two steps so I could test 
the DVD by mounting the iso image. I think I can do this with mkisofs, 
but I'm not sure if there are options other than the -dvd-video option. 
Even if this works, I'm not sure that mounting the ISO will give me the 
same result as reading directly from the DVD. My laptop is configured 
in such a way that I have to mount the DVD before playing it. I don't 
think this is exactly equivalent to the way the DVD player connected to 
the T.V. works. If anyone has a suggestion on how I can get totem-xine 
to play the DVD without mounting, in the same was as the DVD player 
downstairs does, I would greatly appreciate the information.

2) The second obvious error is that my DVDs are recoreded with all the 
files and directories having lowercase names. This is an obvious 
difference between the original DVD and my copy. I don't know if this 
matters, but it is certainly distressing that this obvious difference 
exists and that I can't seem to find a way to fix it. The copy on the
hard disk has correct filenames.

What I really want is an exact copy of the Shrek DVD I started with. I 
don't really care if it is encrypted or not. I would prefer that it 
wasn't, but an exact copy would be fine. I understand that simply 
dd'ing the disk won't do. Is there something similar that I can do to 
create an exact copy?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

- -- 
Kenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet at squeakydolphin.com> 
http://kt.squeakydolphin.com (not much there yet)
Jabber IM: kpturvey at jabber.org
Phone: (314) 255-2199
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From shot at hot.pl  Sat Dec 31 21:19:01 2005
From: shot at hot.pl (Shot - Piotr Szotkowski)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:19:01 +0100
Subject: ubuntu-calendar backgrounds (was: DCC Alliance failure modes)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0512311333020.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
References: <20051231124337.306AB43EC2@ws5-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0512311333020.29817-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
Message-ID: <20051231211901.GC20113@chastell.shot.pl>

Witam.

Paul Sladen:

> [The naked backgrounds were possibly the single BEST piece of PR
> exposure that Ubuntu has had.  Reversing that background decision
> was also the single BEST demonstration (to date) that users drive
> the direction of Ubuntu.  Therefore, to me, the backgrounds were
> /not/ a "mistake".]

I still can't understand why the backgrounds were not continued,
why there's no further ubuntu-calendar-* for those who would like
to see them (don't tell me there weren't at least twelve photos in
the series...).

It's not like one has to install the packages if one doesn't
like seeing naked women. Why not have the best of both worlds?

Cheers,
-- Shot
-- 
     To my embarrassment I was born in bed with a lady.   -- Wilson Mizner
====================== http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ ===
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From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sat Dec 31 21:36:16 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:36:16 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Incorrect Report by df -h
In-Reply-To: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
References: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <1136064975.3945.111.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 13:10, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> root:/mnt # df -h  (other partitions not shown)
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sdb7             9.2G   33M  8.7G   1% /temp
> /dev/sda2              55G   33M   52G   1% /mnt
> root:/mnt #
> 
> The numbers don't add up.
> 
> I know that they are empty.

In addition to your lost+found blocks, there are blocks used
for superblocks, bitmaps, group descriptors, inodes, journal,
indirect blocks, and probably others too.

As a test I just created an empty 32MB ext3 filesystem:

# mke2fs -j /dev/VG0/test

It has 14% used:

Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/VG0-test     31729      4127     25964  14% /test

--Mike Bird





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 21:25:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:52 -0500
Subject: samba swat login problem
References: <200512111043.54352.ubuntu@pusspaws.net><439C6E2B.4080300@hiden.org>
	<200512112131.55483.ubuntu@pusspaws.net>
Message-ID: <cocox.20xbwn@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


hi there!



my difference is that i can log into SWAT but once there i can't find
the link for fill the configuration fields.... i just can see the
options HOME, STATUS, VIEW, PASSWORD....just like a guest account....



i do this...



adduser smbguest



smbpasswd -a smbguest





....



any idea ???


-- 
cocox



From kc9aae at bresnan.net  Sat Dec 31 21:45:26 2005
From: kc9aae at bresnan.net (Dana J. Laude)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:45:26 -0700
Subject: depmod error on dist-upgrade
Message-ID: <200512311445.27042.kc9aae@bresnan.net>

Greetings,

Any ideas on correcting the following error?
<snip>
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libgpgme11 linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libkleopatra0a linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386
3 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 23.7MB/23.8MB of archives.
After unpacking 66.6MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main 
libkleopatra0a 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu3 [402kB]
Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main 
linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 2.6.12-10.25 [18.0MB]
Media change: please insert the disc labeled
 'Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)'
in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter

Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main 
linux-image-386 2.6.12.16.1 [22.5kB]
Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted 
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386 2.6.12.4-11.1 [5178kB]
Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted 
linux-restricted-modules-386 2.6.12.16.1 [22.5kB]
Fetched 23.7MB in 1m5s (362kB/s)

Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously deselected package libgpgme11.
(Reading database ... 80094 files and directories currently 
installed.)
Unpacking libgpgme11 
(from .../libgpgme11_1.0.2-1build1_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace libkleopatra0a 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 
(using .../libkleopatra0a_4%3a3.4.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libkleopatra0a ...
Selecting previously deselected package 
linux-image-2.6.12-10-386.
Unpacking linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 
(from .../linux-image-2.6.12-10-386_2.6.12-10.25_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace linux-image-386 2.6.12.16 
(using .../linux-image-386_2.6.12.16.1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement linux-image-386 ...
Selecting previously deselected package 
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386.
Unpacking linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386 
(from .../linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386_2.6.12.4-11.1_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace linux-restricted-modules-386 2.6.12.16 
(using .../linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.12.16.1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement linux-restricted-modules-386 ...
Setting up libgpgme11 (1.0.2-1build1) ...

Setting up libkleopatra0a (3.4.3-0ubuntu3) ...

Setting up linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 (2.6.12-10.25) ...
There was a problem running depmod.  This may be benign,
(You may have versioned symbol names, for instance).
Or this could be an error.
        depmod exited with return value 0
        depmod got a signal 7
Since this image uses initrd, I am not deleting the file
/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/modules.dep. However, there is no
guarantee that the file is valid. I would strongly advice
you to either abort and fix the errors in depmod, or
regenerate the initrd image with a known good modules.dep
file. I repeat, an initrd kernel image with a bad modules.dep
shall fail to boot.
Would you like to abort now? [No]
</snip>

Ideas appreciated!

Dana



From timfrost at xtra.co.nz  Sat Dec 31 21:47:53 2005
From: timfrost at xtra.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:47:53 +1300
Subject: [Breezy] Incorrect Report by df -h
In-Reply-To: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
References: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <1136065673.11092.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 13:10 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> 
> I'm cleaning up a couple of partitions and I'm not getting the results
> that I expected.  I enabled a root terminal with 'sudo -i' because one
> of the partitions wouldn't let me delete some of the directories.  I got
> rid of absolutely everything except for lost+found, which is empty.
> 
> This is what I end up with:
> 
> root:/mnt # df -h  (other partitions not shown)
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sdb7             9.2G   33M  8.7G   1% /temp
> /dev/sda2              55G   33M   52G   1% /mnt
> root:/mnt #
> 
> The numbers don't add up.

This is normal.  Some space is reserved, so that ordinary users can't
fill a partition to 100% capacity.  The "Avail" column shows the space
available for non-root users.  If the partition is filled to the point
where the reserved space is being used, you will see Avail = 0.

> I know that they are empty.  In sda2 I get:
> 
> root:/mnt# ls -al
> total 24
> drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 .
> drwxr-xr-x  23 root    root   4096 Nov 29 19:26 ..
> drwx------   2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 lost+found
> root:/mnt # cd lost+found/
> root:/mnt/lost+found # ls -al
> total 20
> drwx------  2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 .
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 ..
> root:/mnt/lost+found #

Because the lost+found directory is used by fsck, it is normal for it to
be created with room for a number of entries.  This ensures that fsck
has space available in the filesystem to record inodes that don't have a
directory entry.


> 
> 'ls -al' shows that there are no files in this partition.  Doing the
> same check on sdb7 gives me the same result.  But 'df -h' shows almost
> the exact same result for sdb7 except that the blocks used by lost+found
> are 49152.
> 
> The sdb7 partition is ext3 and sda2 is ext2.  I don't see where the
> space is being used except that there are high block counts in
> lost+found in both partitions.  I can likely solve this by unmounting
> both and rewriting the filesystems, but that wouldn't solve the mystery
> for me.
> 
> Can anybody give me a hint as to what is happening here?

Reserved space plus room for recovery of lost inodes.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Ed
> - --
> Ed Fletcher
> ed at fletcher.ca
> 


Tim




From lamsokvr at xprt.net  Sat Dec 31 22:19:06 2005
From: lamsokvr at xprt.net (Vram)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:19:06 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Incorrect Report by df -h
In-Reply-To: <1136065673.11092.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
	<1136065673.11092.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1136067547.11114.214.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:47 +1300, Tim Frost wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 13:10 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Hi All:
> > 
> > Happy New Year to everyone!
> > 
> > I'm cleaning up a couple of partitions and I'm not getting the results
> > that I expected.  I enabled a root terminal with 'sudo -i' because one
> > of the partitions wouldn't let me delete some of the directories.  I got
> > rid of absolutely everything except for lost+found, which is empty.
> > 
> > This is what I end up with:
> > 
> > root:/mnt # df -h  (other partitions not shown)
> > Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> > /dev/sdb7             9.2G   33M  8.7G   1% /temp
> > /dev/sda2              55G   33M   52G   1% /mnt
> > root:/mnt #
> > 
> > The numbers don't add up.
> 
> This is normal.  Some space is reserved, so that ordinary users can't
> fill a partition to 100% capacity.  The "Avail" column shows the space
> available for non-root users.  If the partition is filled to the point
> where the reserved space is being used, you will see Avail = 0.
> 
> > I know that they are empty.  In sda2 I get:
> > 
> > root:/mnt# ls -al
> > total 24
> > drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 .
> > drwxr-xr-x  23 root    root   4096 Nov 29 19:26 ..
> > drwx------   2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 lost+found
> > root:/mnt # cd lost+found/
> > root:/mnt/lost+found # ls -al
> > total 20
> > drwx------  2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 .
> > drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 ..
> > root:/mnt/lost+found #
> 
> Because the lost+found directory is used by fsck, it is normal for it to
> be created with room for a number of entries.  This ensures that fsck
> has space available in the filesystem to record inodes that don't have a
> directory entry.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 'ls -al' shows that there are no files in this partition.  Doing the
> > same check on sdb7 gives me the same result.  But 'df -h' shows almost
> > the exact same result for sdb7 except that the blocks used by lost+found
> > are 49152.
> > 
> > The sdb7 partition is ext3 and sda2 is ext2.  I don't see where the
> > space is being used except that there are high block counts in
> > lost+found in both partitions.  I can likely solve this by unmounting
> > both and rewriting the filesystems, but that wouldn't solve the mystery
> > for me.
> > 
> > Can anybody give me a hint as to what is happening here?
> 
> Reserved space plus room for recovery of lost inodes.
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > Ed
> > - --
> > Ed Fletcher
> > ed at fletcher.ca
> > 
> 
> 
> Tim
> 


For example


NAME
       mke2fs - create an ext2/ext3 filesystem

SYNOPSIS
       mke2fs [ -c | -l filename ] [ -b block-size ] [ -f
fragment-size ] [ -g blocks-per-group ] [ -i bytes-per-inode ] [ -j ]
[ -J journal-options ] [  -N  number-of-inodes ] [ -n ] [ -m
reserved-blocks-percentage ] [ -o  creator-os ] [ -O feature[,...]  ]
[ -q ] [ -r fs-revision-level ] [ -R raid-options  ]  [  -v  ] [ -F ]
[ -L volume-label ] [ -M last-mounted-   directory ] [ -S ] [ -T
filesystem-type ] [ -V ] device [  blocks-count   ]



  -m reserved-blocks-percentage
              Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved
for the  super-user.  This value defaults to 5%.



All filesystems <I think..Haven't checked> have a similar option


HTH


Vram





> 




From trudheim at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 22:44:12 2005
From: trudheim at gmail.com (Anders Karlsson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:44:12 +0100
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <43B6DB08.2060902@cfl.rr.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512310151t4a27638mea1f71bea9e54d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B6DB08.2060902@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <515e525f0512311444k629a7a43h6bff237fd3236701@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Phillip Susi <psusi at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Hrm... I just checked and it looks like there is NOT yet a raid5 module
> for the device mapper, only linear, stripe, mirror, and snapshot.  I am
> not very familliar with the lvm utility programs, but I'm sure that it
> exports the functionality availible in the underlying device mapper.

Just had a chat with a few friends dotted around the world (.no, .au
and .ca) and although LVM2 supposedly have raid1 capabilities, they
are far from implemented all the way. If you don't enable the mirror
at creation of the LV, you are not going to be able to create a mirror
for that LV. You can remove the mirror later, if you did enable it
when you created the LV that is.

Linux LVM has a loooong way to go before it comes even close to AIX
LVM in capabilities and functionality. The one handy thing you'd
expect from the LVM system, enable a mirror on the fly to migrate your
data for example, that is what it can not do.

You are correct though that LVM2 and device-mapper is the same thing.

> dmraid is a utility that scans physical drives for the parameter block
> that the bios for hardware fakeraids writes to the disk, then configures
> the device mapper to access the raid volume.  LVM uses metadata stored
> on the disk in a different way, but also configures the kernel device
> mapper to access the volumes.  You can directly manipulate the device
> mapper with the dmsetup command.

The hardware fakeraids are mostly a waste of time and effort. dmraid
may be able to manipulate them, but IMO (and I have such a card) you'd
be better off disabling the fakeraid and using MD.

> Right now it looks like the only features md offers that dm does not are
> raid5 and raid6.  My guess is those will be forthcoming soon.

I'd hope so too, they are kind of handy... :)

--
Anders Karlsson <trudheim at gmail.com>

From list.account at gmx.net  Sat Dec 31 22:57:23 2005
From: list.account at gmx.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:57:23 +0100
Subject: boot up processes (questioning)
In-Reply-To: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
Message-ID: <op.s2n7dxqrbu3djh@localhost.localdomain>


hello all
have a nice 2006.
today i did some work on boot-up processes (cause i complained about the  
loong booting time earlier).
i did use the instructions on:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
with some of the processes i am pretty unclear what to do.
can anybody help to explain, if i 'need' as a 'normal' one of the  
following processes:

1. dns-clean (one needs it for ppp. but also for eth0 ??)
2. evms (this one is only related to logical partitions, right?)
3. lvm (we need this one for all harddisks anyway? or is it also only  
related to logical partitions?)
4. libdevmap$ (do not know what is this at all !)
5. rsync (also used for encrypted file transfer, at least thats what i got  
to read somewhere. when do i 'need' that one?)
6. postfix (it is used for email, but do i need it with clients like  
Thunderbird?)

that would be fine if some people would answer.
many thanks.
René





From ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org  Sat Dec 31 22:52:52 2005
From: ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org ('Forum Post)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:52:52 -0500
Subject: vobcopy on breezy
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510300816130.522-100000@osage.ncsa.uiuc.edu><daibak.20v71z@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><f696c090512301135h621aa583od87b280834e34663@mail.gmail.com><daibak.20vegm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org><9421dc6f0512301745q5a68adf5nd2559413e1b519b7@mail.gmail.com><daibak.20wsgm@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
	<9421dc6f0512310729t14290eabw2b81f3b222cf3c27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daibak.20xfly@gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


Thanks for all your suggestions, with special thanks to Martti
Kuparinen.



XDVDshrink probably does the trick for a DVD9 but I'm focused on
getting one good DVD5 end-to-end copy, and for now I found neroLINUX
easiest way to go. NeroLinux is 30-day demo version so may have to look
again in February.



To install neroLinux version 2.0.0.4 I did this in terminal




Code:
--------------------
    cd /tmp

  wget ftp://ftp4.usw.nero.com/nerolinux-2.0.0.4-x86.deb

  sudo dpkg -i nerolinux-2.0.0.4-x86.deb
--------------------




Got a dependency message that hung the install but Synaptic Package
Manager in Breezy resolved that (xlibs) in a jiffy and located
neroLINUX installed in Applications > Sound & Video.



When neroLinux launched first time it told me me to enable DMA on
internal CD-ROM device /dev/hdc (it was disabled) and check all CD/DVD
devices' acess permissions. Nero lists exact chmod how to do the latter
(nice touch).



Hunted around how to change the DMA settings and found these simple
'instructions by Martti from Finland'
(http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/install.html#12) for DMA
settings of IDE hard disk & IDE CD-ROM




Code:
--------------------
    sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf

  

  /dev/hda {

  io32_support = 1

  dma = on

  }

  

  /dev/hdc {

  io32_support = 1

  dma = on

  }

  
--------------------




which then continued with these further instructions




Code:
--------------------
    sudo /etc/init.d/hdparm restart
--------------------




SATA hard disk and IDE CD-ROM




Code:
--------------------
    sudo gedit /etc/modules

  

  piix

  ide-core

  ide-cd

  ide-disk

  ide-generic

  ...
--------------------




ending with Martti's instructions to test your DMA settings




Code:
--------------------
    sudo hdparm /dev/hdc

  

  /dev/hdc:

  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)

  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)

  using_dma    =  1 (on)

  keepsettings =  0 (off)

  readonly     =  0 (off)

  readahead    = 256 (on)

  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
--------------------




When I tested in terminal I got 
Code:
--------------------
    unmaskirq = 1 (on)
--------------------
 otherwise all identical. Clueless right now about most of these
settings but nothing stopped neroLinux burning first an image in 8
minutes and then a Video DVD from that .nrg image on first try. Popped
the burned DVD in the stand-alone DVD Player, beautiful.



So for what it's worth that's how I accomplished the copy of an
unencrypted DVD5, stage 1. Stage 2 will be to shrink a DVD9 and burn
its shrunken image to DVD5. I confess DVD copying in Linux is a more
challenging undertaking than in Windows XP (omitted to mention how many
times today I tried K3b creating an image or burning to DVD only to have
it fail at 97% of completion, "mkisofs did not exit cleanly" or a
message to that effect...  maybe K3b just knows I like Nero).


-- 
daibak



From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net  Sat Dec 31 23:04:20 2005
From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:04:20 -0800
Subject: RAID
In-Reply-To: <515e525f0512311444k629a7a43h6bff237fd3236701@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A4019153075B7549B60FA007201FD4CE0D9CD3@tx-gf-mail.glasfloss.com>
	<515e525f0512301002j50fa0a1dm1073ececd636c098@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B585EC.9040900@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512301129l5b0f5cdaj862516f3e431f37a@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B5A7A8.9090007@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512310151t4a27638mea1f71bea9e54d8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B6DB08.2060902@cfl.rr.com>
	<515e525f0512311444k629a7a43h6bff237fd3236701@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1136070259.3945.124.camel@mgb.bullion.ims>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 14:44, Anders Karlsson wrote:
> Linux LVM has a loooong way to go before it comes even close to AIX
> LVM in capabilities and functionality. The one handy thing you'd
> expect from the LVM system, enable a mirror on the fly to migrate your
> data for example, that is what it can not do.

I used pvmove (which creates a mirror on the fly) two days ago on a
Breezy system to migrate data off of a failing physical volume.
Had to manually modprobe the dm-mirror but then it worked fine.

Most 

--Mike BIrd




From vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr  Sat Dec 31 23:27:33 2005
From: vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr (Vincent Trouilliez)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:27:33 +0100
Subject: Epiphany : switching from Galeon ??
Message-ID: <1136071653.5114.90.camel@localhost>

Seeing as Galeon is now defunct and is going to be eaten by Epiphany, I
am now starting to use Epiphany, and need some help to do the switch.
I found the way to import the Galeon bookmarks, it was very easy to do
via the bookmarks menus. But there is something else I would like to
import as well: the URL/address bar history. I have typed so many URLs
in the address bar, that I am used to NOT remember them, and just type
the first few letters of them, and then the auto-completion feature
presents me with a list of pages and I can just easily/quickly select
the one I want with the keyboard.

How can I import all that history into Epiphany ? Is it even possible ?
I am hoping I can just copy some hidden file(s)  somewhere...

While I am at it, I would like to keep the "favicons" from being
displayed, as they rarely look good, and aren't of great value
usability-wise, I find. I couldn't find an option to switch them off in
the preferences dialog. Is there a way to do it anyway ? Maybe apply
some patch then recompile ?

Thanks for any help :-)


--
Vince




From warlock at eskimo.com  Sat Dec 31 23:44:25 2005
From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:44:25 -0800
Subject: [Breezy] Incorrect Report by df -h
In-Reply-To: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
References: <43B6F3AA.2050407@fletcher.ca>
Message-ID: <1136072665.9088.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 13:10 -0800, Ed Fletcher wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> 
> I'm cleaning up a couple of partitions and I'm not getting the results
> that I expected.  I enabled a root terminal with 'sudo -i' because one
> of the partitions wouldn't let me delete some of the directories.  I got
> rid of absolutely everything except for lost+found, which is empty.
> 
> This is what I end up with:
> 
> root:/mnt # df -h  (other partitions not shown)
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sdb7             9.2G   33M  8.7G   1% /temp
> /dev/sda2              55G   33M   52G   1% /mnt
> root:/mnt #
> 
> The numbers don't add up.
> 
> I know that they are empty.  In sda2 I get:
> 
> root:/mnt# ls -al
> total 24
> drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 .
> drwxr-xr-x  23 root    root   4096 Nov 29 19:26 ..
> drwx------   2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 lost+found
> root:/mnt # cd lost+found/
> root:/mnt/lost+found # ls -al
> total 20
> drwx------  2 (owner) users 16384 Apr 23  2005 .
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root   4096 Dec 31 12:48 ..
> root:/mnt/lost+found #
> 
> 'ls -al' shows that there are no files in this partition.  Doing the
> same check on sdb7 gives me the same result.  But 'df -h' shows almost
> the exact same result for sdb7 except that the blocks used by lost+found
> are 49152.
> 
> The sdb7 partition is ext3 and sda2 is ext2.  I don't see where the
> space is being used except that there are high block counts in
> lost+found in both partitions.  I can likely solve this by unmounting
> both and rewriting the filesystems, but that wouldn't solve the mystery
> for me.
> 
> Can anybody give me a hint as to what is happening here?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Ed
> - --


That 33 megs is typical for an ext3 journal, since sdb7 is an ext3 f/s,
this isn't surprising. sda2 may have been ext3 (or rather, there may be
a journal there, since you can mount a clean ext3 fs as ext2.) 

-- 
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Instrument of Darwin
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From KHaeberlein at cmq-kh.de  Thu Dec 29 10:43:25 2005
From: KHaeberlein at cmq-kh.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klaus_H=E4berlein?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:43:25 +0100
Subject: ubuntu 5.10 with LILO
Message-ID: <43B3BDCD.1090805@cmq-kh.de>

I would like to run ubuntu on a machine with other OS's.
For some reasons I have to use LILO on the ubuntu root partion.
But LILO is not installed proper by the installer on the CD and the boot 
process hooks up.

Does anyone know how to fix the problem?



From Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in  Fri Dec 30 07:20:12 2005
From: Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in (Mayank.Garg at tatatel.co.in)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:12 +0530
Subject: help
In-Reply-To: <014101c60d11$97c3bb30$6401a8c0@dvdburner>
Message-ID: <OFAFCF5295.FE1E2495-ON652570E7.00284996-652570E7.00284C6A@tatatel.co.in>

Regards
Mayank Kumar Garg
TATA Teleservices Limited
UP EAST Lucknow
Executive Finance
9235509714




From jag.robin18 at wanadoo.fr  Wed Dec 28 22:23:10 2005
From: jag.robin18 at wanadoo.fr (Gerard Robin)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:23:10 +0100
Subject: packages .deb and .udeb
Message-ID: <20051228222310.GA4085@mauritiusjai>

Hello,
I am using Debian but I would like to know if it is possible to install the 
packages .udeb in my box, and if I install ubuntu in an other box, can I install 
the packages .deb in that box ?

Thanks in advance for your reply. 

(please, Ccing me the reply that I am not subscriber on the list)
 
-- 
Gérard




From mpo at iki.fi  Sat Dec 31 15:56:53 2005
From: mpo at iki.fi (Matti =?iso-8859-1?B?UPZsbOQ=?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:56:53 +0200
Subject: Using a Broadcom BCM4306 wlan chip with ndiswrapper
Message-ID: <20051231155652.GA11711@mpolla.net>

Hello,

I'm having trouble getting the wlan chip (Broadcom BCM4306) of a
Compaq Presario X6000 laptop working.

Everything seems to be working when loading the windows driver
(bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys in the working directory) using
ndiswrapper.

# ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
Installing bcmwl5
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2

# ndiswrapper -l
Installed ndis drivers:
bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present

# iwconfig wlan0

wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
          Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:25 dBm
          RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
          Encryption key:off
          Power Management:off
          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0


But when scanning for networks, I can't see any, although there are
several available:

# iwlist wlan0 scan
wlan0     No scan results

Just as if the wlan antenna was switched off. Any ideas how to debug
this? I'm using Ubuntu 5.04.

Oh, and happy New Year! Here in GMT+2 we're still at 2005.


-Matti

Please cc me in your reply.
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From davidforlinux at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 31 16:54:22 2005
From: davidforlinux at yahoo.co.uk (david robert)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:54:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Ubuntu users openion required
Message-ID: <20051231165422.72001.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

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From msoulier at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 19:29:27 2005
From: msoulier at gmail.com (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:29:27 -0500
Subject: How To JSP Container with Apache2 on Ubuntu 5.10?
In-Reply-To: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f64556f70512281813o55572d88v3849d99d68319576@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb6605670512311129t6f136c30ude97326b7416b637@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Soo-Hyun Choi <soohyunc at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> I have just installed Sun Java JDK (J2SE Development Kit) with the
> instructions in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142.
>
> But JSP still doesn't work.
>
> Am I still missing something? Maybe, Tomcat 5? Then, would there
> somebody to tell me how to install and get it to work?

Difficult to get jsp working without a servlet container.
Jakarta-tomcat is a good choice for one, being free, and the reference
implementation.

You don't need anything from ubuntu for this, you can just download
the tarballs of the binaries, unpack them in /usr/local or even
/home/<your userid> and then just set JAVA_HOME and go. You might also
want ANT. Same comments apply.

Works fine for me.

Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at digitaltorque.ca>
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
--Albert Einstein