Performance shock (BS)

Sun Apr 24 19:02:20 UTC 2005

On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 04:51 +1000, Serg Belokamen wrote:
> Tom, 
> 
> I think you need to purchase a berret, move to france and every mornning
> from your Paris balcony at 6am, of top of your lungs, scream: Viva La
> Resistonce.
> 
> Get over your conspiracy theories and take it easy, in other words,
> relax brother! 
> 
> Retreat to the underground commrade, or the spooks will catch you
> hehehehehehe
> 
>    Serg

I like the imagery. LOL.

I'd much rather go to Ireland where the Guinness is freshest. 

> 
> 
> On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 13:09 -0500, Tom Adelstein wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 18:05 +1000, CB wrote:
> > > On 4/24/05, Tom Adelstein <adelste at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I just accidentally saw the contents of this post and I could not
> > > > believe what I saw.
> > > > 
> > > > I've been testing desktops for over two years and one half years now and
> > > > to say that Microsoft Windows runs faster than Linux one the same
> > > > configurations is just wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > If in fact you are experiencing such an aberrant behavior, then you know
> > > > how to tune Windows and don't know how to configure Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > Otherwise, this thread is a Microsoft disinformation effort. Either way,
> > > > it's despicable. If you don't know enough about Linux to tune up Open
> > > > Office, then you need to do you homework.
> > > > 
> > > > Also, if you're running lots of services -- as in server mode -- compare
> > > > the performance of Linux to Windows 2000 server running the same number
> > > > of services.
> > > > 
> > > > No way Windows on a comparable platform outperforms Linux. I've proven
> > > > it hundreds of times.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > OK. I'm out. I hesitated about asking this question straightforwardly
> > > because I've observed that asking mildly critical-sounding questions
> > > in linux forums almost always generates torrents of abuse. Admittedly,
> > > in this case everyone except you has been constructive, but your
> > > revolting post is enough. I'm unsubscribing right away because I'm
> > > just sick of this kind of crap that makes open, honest,
> > > straightforward communication about technology (technology! not war or
> > > rape or starvation!) just impossible.
> > > 
> > > You call someone *despicable* because they ask a question that doesn't
> > > match your experiences/prejudices. What fucking world have you
> > > experienced -- anything at all beyond porn and computers? "Despicable"
> > > can appropriately be said of child-abusers, not people who ask
> > > questions about a piece of technology you favour.
> > > 
> > > Specifically, factually, really, I was referring to *untuned* fresh
> > > installs on both Ubuntu and Win 2003 Server. Stock installs with
> > > minimal services running. All I did on both was install a couple of
> > > apps (and SP1  on the Win partition). I'm not even making any general
> > > statements about the performance of Linux "vs" (your kind of term, I
> > > guess) Windows (you'd know it by Windoze or Winblows, no doubt); this
> > > was just a comment on desktop responsiveness. Or am I lying? A
> > > Microsoft stoolie? What? Why?
> > > 
> > > Before finishing with you, let me tell you two small things. 
> > > 
> > > One. I have been diligently installing Ubuntu on friends' computers
> > > now for the past year, because I like it and like it's underlying
> > > ethics, and believe these friends should get off the Microsoft
> > > monopoly bandwagon if they can. In many cases I've had to work hard to
> > > persuade these friends to try linux again, because they've been burned
> > > by trying it, having problems, and then asking questions in forums and
> > > mailing lists. There they meet you and your clones, get abused, have
> > > no source of help, so reinstall Windows. You and people like you are
> > > driving ordinary users away.
> > > 
> > > Two. My main reason for seriously making attempts to migrate all my
> > > computer-based work away from Microsoft's OS's is this. I worked in a
> > > heavily MS-based business, consisting mainly of a very large WinNT &
> > > Win2k server centre (3000+ servers). I observed time and again how MS
> > > uses its power to distort and corrupt the IT business. The final straw
> > > for me was when I witnessed them bribe the company I worked in to keep
> > > quiet about a security problem we found. This was a very serious
> > > issue, exposing tens of thousands of private customer records on
> > > competitors' servers to easy access across the net. MS persuaded this
> > > company not to pull a product that was based on the vulnerable
> > > technology, and stopped us from warning competitors that their
> > > information was exposed. I felt dirty working there, blew the whistle
> > > anonymously (though, interestingly, the press wasn't interested), and
> > > quit. The point is that I have no reason to favour Microsoft, would
> > > never do any form of business with them, and don't need to be told by
> > > some grossly ignorant prejudiced juvenile that a question I ask in
> > > good faith derives from some 'Microsoft disinformation effort'. Fuck
> > > you.
> > 
> > 
> > The outrage with which you replied speaks volumes. The problem with
> > Linux forums????? What's that about?
> > 
> > Microsoft employs former members of national intelligence agencies to
> > undermine the companies and organizations it considers a threat. It
> > operates as the Business Software Alliance (BSA) and in concert with
> > Bill's father's law firm - Perry, Gates and Ellis. One commentary claims
> > that Microsoft has demonstrated more influence peddling than anyone
> > since the Al Capone Era in Chicago.
> > 
> > Three years ago, I wrote an exhaustive investigative piece for
> > 32BitsOnline that got 100's of thousands of reads called : Did Microsoft
> > Try to Kill UNIX?
> > 
> > You can't find the article anywhere and the references to how they got
> > into US government procurement have been removed from the their original
> > URL's like the Open Group.
> > 
> > You don't see anything like that coming out of Linux Forums. You don't
> > see money going from Microsoft to SCO to the lawyer hired to prosecute
> > Microsoft by the Justice Department kind of things from Linux people.
> > 
> > But, you did see people mentioning ways to speed up OOo and information
> > about how to make things work better.
> > 
> > The subject title - Performance Shock - while perhaps not intending to
> > insult or cause a problem, will get a knee jerk reaction. 
> > 
> > And in the event you are not aware - people in many countries have gone
> > to jail for not having licensed Microsoft software. I wrote about
> > several cases of this and people wrote in and commented on it on
> > LinuxToday (before it became part of Internet.com). -- Members of the
> > BSA in many countries got themselves appointed as "Special Prosecutors".
> > Years before, MS gave free software to white box manufacturers in places
> > like El Salvador, Turkey, Indonesia and on and on. People bought
> > computers with that software on it. Then, the BSA (Microsoft) ran
> > campaigns saying people had to pay their license fees or go to jail.
> > They had billboards with depictions of people handcuffed and escorted
> > into paddy wagons. The white box guys didn't get so much as a traffic
> > ticket - but end users in third world countries helped Microsoft makes
> > its "sales estimates" for several quarters during the tech downturn.
> > 
> > People have lost homes, jobs, families, faced fines, court, arrest - so
> > big Bill can be the richest man in the world. 
> > 
> > With that in the background of the discussion, I say to you no harm
> > intended. But, given the response to the comment and the very pointed
> > shots -- one might conclude a nerve was touched eh. 
> > 
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