both logos are very similar to the one for 'Scripps Health' (http://www.scripps.org/) (a San Diego, CA based healthcare organization: [image: http://www.scripps.org/media/images/logo_scripps.gif] it looks like they have been using it at least since 'Nov 2001' (http://web.archive.org/web/20011126232056/http://scripps.org/). -- thefife