Oh Boy....

[Keith Richie]

On Apr 12, 2005 10:41 AM, Christoph Wegscheider <wegi at despammed.com> wrote:
> Vincent Trouilliez <vincent.trouilliez at modulonet.fr> wrote:
> > All he says is "ubuntu packages don't work in Debian ".
> >
> > Cool, where is the problem with that ?
> >
> > Debian users use Debian repositories, Ubuntu users use the Ubuntu
> > repositories, that's what repos are for in the first place, no ?
> > If something is not in the distro's repo, you try compile it from
> > source, no ?
> 
> No, if we are talking of the usual desktop user who have no experience
> with Linux and/or programming, but just wants to get work done. This
> group of users (which are one typical target group of ubuntu as I
> understand) just search the net for a deb of a program which is not in
> the repos.
> 
> One of the biggest advantage of deb over rpm so far was, that all debs
> was created for debian and worked on it and any derived distribution.
> Maybe you never experienced the 'rpm hell' on your own so you can't
> value that fact.
> 
> As it seems now, the deb pool becomes divided into a compatible to debian
> and a compatible to ubuntu part, this is a great danger as it might be
> the beginning of a deb hell.
> 
> 
> > Looks like this Ian Murdock is just pissed off by Ubuntu and it's truly
> > incredible, super fast, and boundless success, and is just taking any
> > crap excuse to vent his opinion on the net for everyone to read/hear.
> 
> Ian just pointed out that fact from a debian point of view (which one
> might forgive him, due to his personal relation to that project as its
> founder)
> 
> 
>         Christoph
> 
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I like Ubuntu and all (typing this reply on Hoary), but I can
understand the views of debian users.

Ubuntu is a huge fork in debian. The biggest fear is that quite a few
debian devs are also Ubuntu devs, debian is "mad" that those devs are
spending more time on Ubuntu instead of Debian.

Case inpoint - KDE 3.4, Gnome 2.10, and Xorg all for Ubuntu, but no
debian packages. If you know how to use apt pinning correctly, you can
mix Ubuntu and Debain together. But it is a trial and error. I tried
this, and wound up just installing Ubuntu to save the headache. Ubuntu
is highly bleeding edge.

IMO, there's nothing wrong with this. This is how distros come about.
Mandrake was once a fork of Red Hat, as was Suse.

Debian's pride is hurt, as most noobs will think that Ubuntu = .deb,
apt-get, and the other fancy debian tools.

I hope Ubuntu continues to grow into it's own, and no longer carries
the "based on debian" name.