So what is really in my universe?

[Fred Blaise]

I have to agree with you there... I installed mondo-mindi, and removed
them right away bc of version numbers, mainly because I need features
supported in the 2.x version (better DVD backups, in particular). Also,
other pkgs are lagging behind (xchat comes to mind, v. 2.0.8 where 2.4.x
is out).
I am in a bind as I would rather use pkgs from unstable debian, but yet
unstable debian dont have gnome 2.8 yet (only in experimental), and
ubuntu's gnome 2.8 has been rock solid for me ever since the first
preview.

I guess what I am trying to say is maybe ubuntu would benefit to have
more updated packages, as it is more a desktop distro than anything
else. 

fred

> Sun, 2004-10-17 at 09:46 -0700, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> A few weeks ago  Jeff Waugh sent to the list a little script to check
> which packages someone installed from Ubuntu's universe.  Since I'm a
> bit concerned by the lack of support (i.e, security and bug fixes) of
> the packages I installed from universe, I decided to check  how the
> version of my universe packages compared to what is found in Debian
> Testing and Unstable. (little shell script to do this available upon
> request)
> 
> So what is currently in my universe is:
> Package                        Ubuntu               Testing           
>   Unstable
> afio                           2.5-2                2.5-2                2.5-2
> buffer                         1.19-4               1.19-5               1.19-5
> cupsys-driver-gimpprint        4.2.6-5ubuntu2       4.2.7-3              4.2.7-4
> cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data   4.2.6-5ubuntu2       4.2.7-3              4.2.7-4
> ddclient                       3.6.2-2.2            3.6.2-3              3.6.2-3
> gstreamer0.8-mad               0.8.5-1ubuntu3       0.8.4-1              0.8.5-1
> jhead                          2.1-4                2.2-1                2.2-1
> libjpeg-progs                  6b-9                 6b-9                 6b-9
> lzop                           1.01-1               1.01-3               1.01-3
> mindi                          0.86.1-1             1.03.1-3          
>   1.03.1-3
> mindi-busybox                  0.99.040511-1        0.99.040720-3     
>   0.99.040720-3
> mondo                          1.66-2               2.03.1-1          
>   2.03.1-2
> ms-sys                         1.1.3-1              1.1.3-1              1.1.3-1
> sketch                         0.6.15-1             0.6.15-1          
>   0.6.15-1
> tint                           0.03a                0.03a                0.03a
> 
> Then if someone go check the Debian  changelogs
> (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/) you can then try
> to figure which differences are important, and which one are not, and
> judge for yourself your risk level.
> 
> In my case it seems most packages are the same between Debian and
> Ubuntu, and for most of the differences the changelogs shows that the
> changes are quite minimal and can probably be ignored.  But the
> mondo/mindi packages are a whole different story.  There seems to have
> been quite a version jump between what is now in Debian and what was
> frozen for Ubuntu in June. And a look at the changelogs show a few bug
> fixes that seem to be related to the interaction between mondo and the
> kernel 2.6.  Personally that raises all sort of red flags in my mind;
> I haven't used Mondo yet of this Ubuntu's install (I'm still testing
> Ubuntu before it goes into production shortly after the official
> release), so backups (or lack of) hasn't been an issue yet.
> 
> All this simply tell me that my Ubuntu Universe's Mondo/Mindi packages
> should be removed shortly from my machine, and to play safe I'll
> probably install manually the upstream source (or maybe use a
> different backup solution).
> 
> And it is a reminder that what the good folks from Ubuntu keep telling
> us: packages from Universe are really a "buyers beware" solution.
>