21:37 < atoponce> who's around for a quick meeting?
21:37 < atoponce> on the spot
21:37 < Zelut> me
21:37 < atoponce> Admiral_Chicago: ping
21:38 < atoponce> boredandblogging: ping
21:38 < atoponce> Joe_CoT: ping
21:38 < atoponce> johnc4510: ping
21:38 < atoponce> nixternal: ping
21:38 < atoponce> tonyyarusso: ping
21:39 < atoponce> i think that's everyone, minus Vorian and etank
21:39 < boredandblogging> atoponce: pong
21:39 < atoponce> got a minute for a quick meet?
21:39 < boredandblogging> sure
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21:39 < atoponce> cool. let's see if we get anymore pongs from the barrage of pings i sent out
21:40 < Zelut> I'm fielding the email from houston right now.. give me a sec.
21:40 < atoponce> Zelut: cool. i was just going to go over that
21:40 < Admiral_Chicago> atoponce: pong
21:40 < Admiral_Chicago> whats up
21:40 < atoponce> Admiral_Chicago: got a min for a quick meet?
21:40 < Admiral_Chicago> atoponce: definetly
21:40 < atoponce> sweet
21:41 < Admiral_Chicago> got an agenda?
21:41 < atoponce> kinda. it's a bit on the spot
21:41 < Admiral_Chicago> thats fine too
21:41 < atoponce> the email from dinda looking for a mentor prompted it
21:41 < Admiral_Chicago> got a link?
21:42 < atoponce> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us/2007-July/000023.html
21:42 < Zelut> I just replied.. I hope I handld it well
21:42 < Admiral_Chicago> thanks
21:43 < Admiral_Chicago> ah okay I see.
21:44 < atoponce> Zelut: yeah. looks good
21:44 < atoponce> well, let's start
21:44 < atoponce> if anyone pongs during the meet, they can read the logs
21:44 < atoponce> :)
21:44 < Admiral_Chicago> well, for the most part, we started the Chicago Team and got approved
21:45 < Admiral_Chicago> from there,  we got lucky to have members that travel / live State-wide so from there we started the State team
21:45 < atoponce> i ponged all you, as we're all ubuntu members, and as such, in a position to offer mentoring support to other teams as needed
21:45 < atoponce> we just got that email from dinda looking for a mentor for the houston team
21:45 < atoponce> and i was thinking, i bet we don't have every state covered that wee need to
21:45 < Admiral_Chicago> mostly to make sure the people we felt most experinced ran the show, even if the State wasn't doing too much
21:46 < atoponce> PA was approved recently, and it seems like it happened in the flash of an eye. i didn't even know there was a working presence there
21:46 -!- Topic for #ubuntu-us: Welcome to the United States LoCo Teams Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us | Please 
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21:46 -!- Topic set by Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] [Sun Jul 15 19:24:16 2007]
21:46 < Admiral_Chicago> but the problem we've come into is that there are just much more peope in Chicago doing tech
21:47 < Admiral_Chicago> population density is more of an issue.
21:47 < atoponce> i can see why there should be a team in houston, and chicago for that matter, but how do we encourage a state-based umbrella as jono has requested?
21:47 < Admiral_Chicago> i don't think the whole State first menality works all the time
21:47 < atoponce> yeah. i agree
21:48 < atoponce> in her case, she already has all the resources setup, i believe
21:48 < atoponce> for the houston team
21:48 < atoponce> so, it would be a bit problematic to make her change everything to state-based
21:48 < Joe_CoT> what's up?
21:49 < atoponce> Joe_CoT: we're having a quick on-the-spot meet about mentoring. got a minute?
21:49 < Joe_CoT> i suppose
21:49 < atoponce> :)
21:49 < boredandblogging> are we worried about control? like houston might feel that a Texas LoCo would not let them do their own thing?
21:49 < Admiral_Chicago> seems like the last thing we want to do is break a team's momentum
21:50 < atoponce> boredandblogging: a texas umbrella can help keep the coordination between city locos, but shouldn't control it
21:50 < atoponce> btw- isn't the dallas team dead? seems to me it is, unless it's been revived recently
21:50 < atoponce> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. exactly
21:50 < Admiral_Chicago> right, i don't think I've ever heard of any control issues.
21:50 < Zelut> and leadership should be perhaps a coordination of regional/city based leaders?
21:50 < atoponce> if they have things in the running, we need to let them go with it, i think
21:51 < boredandblogging> maybe the coordinators of a city LoCos should make up the state locos?
21:51 < boredandblogging> yeah, what zelut said
21:51 < atoponce> Zelut: boredandblogging: that works. for large states like CA and texas, it just seems to fit, i think
21:51 < Admiral_Chicago> what I would suggest is making sure members are mostly in charge of the process at least for the state side
21:51 < Joe_CoT> I see not problem with there being city teams. especially in a state as large as Texas. The Texas LoCo should just be a loose conglomeration of the city teams 
                 plus everyone else. sorta like the US team :)
21:52 < atoponce> :)
21:52 < Joe_CoT> but we should try to see what's up with them not getting resources. "use the state team one" isn't a very good answer
21:52 < Admiral_Chicago> I helped on the chicago team quite a bit but wasn't a member, i became a member shortly before the state team came up
21:52 < atoponce> so, dinda should continue building the houston team, and we'll worry about the state building at a later time
21:53 < Admiral_Chicago> i think so
21:53 < Joe_CoT> yeah, we're technically a "new jersey team", except that 75% of membership is in Cherry Hill.
21:53 < Admiral_Chicago> that way, an established loco can help them out, rather than trying to build two teams at one
21:53 < atoponce> ok. then the next, is who is willing to mentor? 
21:53  * Joe_CoT puts finger on nose
21:54 < atoponce> the wiki should probably be updated, actually. to be honest, i'm not exactly sure what teams i'm mentoring...
21:54 < Admiral_Chicago> haha
21:54 < boredandblogging> i haven't gotten Georgia approved yet, so...
21:54 < atoponce> i know the AZ, MI and CA teams...
21:54 < Admiral_Chicago> i never know what I'm doing...
21:54 < Zelut> it almost seems recently, as per my reply to her email, that we all kind of mentor together recently..
21:55 < Zelut> atleast that has been what it seems like.. within #ubuntu-us anyway.
21:55 < Zelut> maybe you guys are busy email-mentoring people and I'm the slacker--I don't know.
21:55 < atoponce> true. it's become less one-on-one and more just whenever anyone has questions
21:56 < Admiral_Chicago> i think the ML and IRC channel are two great places for mentoring
21:56 < boredandblogging> since the people running the locos are somewhat motivated, they just need to be pointed in the right direction, hand holding isn't probably needed
21:56 < atoponce> i just hang out in the channels that i've been helping with. that way, other team members can just ask me there, without coming here
21:56 < Zelut> we all handle it, as a group, in the true ubuntu fashion
21:56 < atoponce> boredandblogging: +1
21:56 < Joe_CoT> well, i imagine it's hard to be one-on-one when it's one mentor to 3 teams .... in general, i think doing it as a group makes the most sense.
21:57 < atoponce> Joe_CoT: agreed
21:57 < Joe_CoT> come on guys, it's ubuntu. what happens when only one person is left in charge of something? they disappear for two weeks! :D
21:57 < Zelut> I think we should do more mentoring on the list, as a group.
21:57 < atoponce> so, let's ditch the one-on-one, then, and just make ourselves visible here and on the mailing list as much as possible
21:57 < boredandblogging> maybe somehow promote the ubuntu-us mailing list and this channel as the place for questions or directions?
21:57 < atoponce> boredandblogging: yeah. definitely
21:57 < boredandblogging> maybe add that to the wiki
21:58 < atoponce> in fact, Zelut and I about 8 or 9 months ago went channel to channel letting them know about this team
21:58 < atoponce> i think that's how most of you are here... :)
21:58 < atoponce> we should do it again
21:58 < Admiral_Chicago> we could possibly do that again
21:58 < Zelut> I also think people are often more comfortable with an email than irc. irc, if you haven't used it, is hard
21:58 < atoponce> find the states that have recently started, and start advertising
21:58 < atoponce> Zelut: true
21:58 < Admiral_Chicago> thats true, most people don't even know what Freenode is
21:58 < bordy> once I get fl approved I wanna mentor too dangit
21:59 < boredandblogging> is there a forum to ask quesitons?
21:59 < Joe_CoT> i think something else important is to try to drum up teams in states where there are none
21:59 < atoponce> boredandblogging: i don't think we have one for this project...
21:59 < Zelut> I don't believe we have a us teams forum.. but many state-based forums.
21:59 < Admiral_Chicago> speaking of which, we can make the US team more visible via the Forums as well
21:59 < atoponce> Joe_CoT: would love to, but how?
21:59 < Admiral_Chicago> the general ubuntu forums
21:59 < Zelut> Joe_CoT: I'm trying to convince my students this week to spearhead a MN team, but they are reluctant.
21:59 < boredandblogging> maybe a mentor subforum?
21:59 < boredandblogging> s/mentor/mentoring
22:00 < boredandblogging> that way all LoCos (non-US) can see it as well
22:00 < Joe_CoT> all states have LUGs. Ask them if they'd like to hear the good news of Ubuntu LoCo teams
22:00 < atoponce> hmm. haven't thought of it. is there a loco subforum already. we could probably just use that?
22:00 < bordy> Alright kids, naptime. talk at you tomorrow
22:01 < atoponce> bordy: nighty-night
22:01 < Joe_CoT> it is tomorrow
22:01 < bordy> shhh
22:01 < Joe_CoT> haha. night bordy
22:01 < boredandblogging> how about a "Mentoring" subforum under Ubuntu LoCo Team Forums
22:01 < atoponce> boredandblogging: sounds good. do you have the connections to get it setup?
22:02 < atoponce> i know vorian does
22:02 < boredandblogging> atoponce: nope, yeah, bug vorian
22:02 < Joe_CoT> so, since you're all here ... i still like the idea of having something important on ubuntu-us.org . Something that points people to LoCo teams near them, and 
                 how to start a LoCo team if they're so inclined. That way it's actually practical to start advertising "US LoCo Teams" in places which cover multiple states.
22:03 < Joe_CoT> aka "Find a LoCo team near you!"
22:03 < atoponce> i would like us to get control of that domain, actually
22:03 < atoponce> seems silly that we can't get it
22:03 < atoponce> who's running it anyway?
22:03 < Zelut> we can get all the subdomains so far..
22:03 < Admiral_Chicago> Matthias Urlichs i think
22:04 < Joe_CoT> it's probably because there is no "US Team"
22:04 < Zelut> Admiral_Chicago: that's out dated.  I think its nuzum
22:04 < atoponce> Admiral_Chicago: have is email, or irc nick?
22:04 < Admiral_Chicago> sec
22:04 < Joe_CoT> which is why we need a US Team, even if it's just a puppet for all the rest of the teams
22:04 < Zelut> doesn't boredandblogging have connections there?
22:04 < boredandblogging> i say we agree what we want on it before we ask for the domain
22:04 < boredandblogging> yeah, I can set up ubuntu-us
22:04 < boredandblogging> .org
22:04 < Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/~smurf   << this person?
22:04 < boredandblogging> but someone needs to be the contact for it
22:05 < boredandblogging> i would suggest we have a plan before contacting smurf
22:05 < Admiral_Chicago> maybe it is outdates as Zelut said
22:05 < atoponce> boredandblogging: agreed
22:05 < Joe_CoT> what i envision is this: a page which 1) has a us map, each state a link to the appropriate LoCo team, 2) A list of upcoming events around the country. and a 
                 link to the planet
22:06 < atoponce> yeah. makes sense
22:06 < boredandblogging> Joe_CoT: is (2) for just approved LoCos?
22:06 < Joe_CoT> it makes much more sense for it not to be. How do LoCos get approved if we hush up their existence until they are. Maybe mention they're a new team, looking for 
                 members
22:06 < Zelut> boredandblogging: might help to let upcoming teams 'advertise' there to help grow
22:07 < boredandblogging> yeah, sounds good
22:07 < Joe_CoT> even if their site is a wiki and an email address, a lot of emails of "hey, when are you guys having events?" is a motivator at the least
22:07 < Zelut> perhaps, for compliance or whatever reason we want to call it, upcoming teams need to submit news to a member to be posted, but I think it can help them.
22:07 < boredandblogging> Zelut: agreed
22:08 < Joe_CoT> sure
22:08 < Joe_CoT> i'm thinking something like this: http://odin.himinbi.org/us_map/
22:08 < Joe_CoT> definitely doable, albeit a bit tedious. we can set it up using the current us team map if we like
22:08 < Joe_CoT> i like it much better than using flash
22:09 < boredandblogging> please no flash
22:09 < atoponce> that would be cake with javascript
22:09 < atoponce> well, maybe not cake, but doable
22:09 < atoponce> and tight
22:10 < Joe_CoT> eh, not exactly cake.
22:10 < atoponce> very clutch
22:10 < Joe_CoT> he has a python script that generates it
22:10 < Joe_CoT> haven't been able to get it to work, but it's worth a shot.
22:10 < Zelut> 'not quite cake with javascript, but better than flash' FTW!
22:10 < atoponce> smurf is online. is he the contact for the domain have we decided?
22:11 < Admiral_Chicago> maybe
22:11 < Admiral_Chicago> would
22:11 < boredandblogging> smurf is just in charge of DNS
22:11 < boredandblogging> thats it
22:11 < Admiral_Chicago> it wouldn't hurt to ask
22:11 < Joe_CoT> i can host it, but they probably want to host it themselves.
22:11 < boredandblogging> someone needs to be point of contact for ubuntu-us.org though
22:11 < Zelut> we can let them host it with the rest of the sites, that's no problem.
22:11 < boredandblogging> usually the loco head is the point of contact
22:11 < atoponce> i don't care who hosts it, perse, as long as we can have access to the web root to change as needed
22:12 < Joe_CoT> yeah, that's not a problem
22:12 < Zelut> well I'm managing the utah team and planet now, I can be a contact if we need..
22:12 < boredandblogging> atoponce: thats not an issue
22:12 < Zelut> I don't want to do the design, but people can contact me :)
22:12 < atoponce> boredandblogging: really? i know it's not that big of a deal for subdomains, but for the ubuntu-us.org domain itself?
22:13 < boredandblogging> subdomains aren't a big deal...
22:13 < Joe_CoT> i'm thinking a standard drupal setup with the ubuntu theme. The map is the real pain
22:13 < Joe_CoT> until we get that set up, just a listing of states
22:13 < boredandblogging> but since country loco heads ask for hosting, its usually not an issue, but who is the head of the US loco/
22:13 < boredandblogging> ?
22:13 < boredandblogging> i think we just need to pick someone
22:13 < Admiral_Chicago> all of us...
22:13 < Joe_CoT> good question. there is no US LoCo
22:14 < boredandblogging> since Zelut is volunteering...
22:14 < boredandblogging> not "head" really...
22:14 < Zelut> I don't want to claim to be in charge, but if we need a name to throw out..
22:14 < Joe_CoT> i don't care as long as we all can get access and get a say
22:14 < boredandblogging> since there is no overarching loco
22:14 < Joe_CoT> I'm fine with Zelut as the contact
22:15 < boredandblogging> i'm fine with zelut as well
22:15 < atoponce> +1
22:15 < boredandblogging> Zelut: go ahead and put in the request, I'll deal with it tomorrow
22:15 < Zelut> boredandblogging: link?
22:15 < boredandblogging> hold on
22:16 < Zelut> boredandblogging: anything specific I should put in the request?
22:17 < boredandblogging> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/loco-webhosting/
22:17 < atoponce> Zelut: contacting smurf?
22:17 < boredandblogging> Zelut: a line on what it will be used for, thats it
22:17 < Joe_CoT> a portal for US State LoCo teams
22:18 < Zelut> boredandblogging: using the 'report a bug', yeah?
22:18 < boredandblogging> Zelut: correct
22:19 < boredandblogging> someone want to run this by jono just to make sure he is ok with it?
22:19 < boredandblogging> not sure why he wouldn't be
22:19 < Admiral_Chicago> I think its not neccesary
22:20 < Zelut> done.
22:20 < boredandblogging> and we are ok with canonical hosting it?
22:20 < Zelut> I think they probably should
22:20 < Joe_CoT> if we can actually get access :)
22:20 < boredandblogging> ok then, I'll start setting up the accounts tomorrow
22:20 < Joe_CoT> i have no experience with official hosting
22:21 < Joe_CoT> ok, cool
22:21 < Joe_CoT> do you guys want me to set up the actual site? I can set up a demo on my site tomorrow if you want
22:22 < Zelut> Joe_CoT: work with atoponce? sounds like he has some ideas on the map, yes?
22:22 < Joe_CoT> i wasn't going to do the map yet (lot's of work!)
22:22 < Joe_CoT> but yeah, of course :)
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22:23 < atoponce> yeah. i can help hammer out the map
22:23 < boredandblogging> who needs access to account once its up?
22:23 < Joe_CoT> i just want to get a site up for now, if that's alright. The map's going to take quite a bit of tinkering on its own.
22:24 < atoponce> let's focus on the wiki, forum, mailing list, and here in irc
22:24 < atoponce> they are tools that we already have up and running strong
22:24 < boredandblogging> atoponce: exactly
22:25 < atoponce> i say we take the web page in stride
22:25 < atoponce> when we get it up, we get it up, but it shouldn't be top priority
22:25 < atoponce> just my $.02
22:25 < Admiral_Chicago> yea, we want to make sure we have the resources to help a team
22:25 < boredandblogging> agreed
22:25 < Admiral_Chicago> not a pretty page :)
22:26 < atoponce> i'm all for helping out though, when we get access. don't get me wrong
22:26 < Joe_CoT> well, let's just see how fast we can get access.
22:26 < atoponce> :)
22:26 < Zelut> well I'm going to get to bed guys
22:26 < Joe_CoT> we already have the theme for a pretty drupal page. it'll take 20 minutes to set up when we have access.
22:26 < Joe_CoT> yeah, me too.
22:27 < Joe_CoT> boredandblogging, Zelut: let me know how Canonical stuff goes
22:27 < atoponce> ok. thx for showing up for the quick meet. i appreciate it
22:27 < boredandblogging> Joe_CoT: will do
22:27 < Zelut> ttyl
22:27 < Admiral_Chicago> i'm off to work on the release page for Xubuntu. good work everyone