Hmm...interesting, so am I really the only person that thinks having a 'scanner group' is really not intuitive in the least? ~Leif ---------- Did you like this rant? You can find more at: <a href="http://www.leifandersen.net">http://www.leifandersen.net</a> <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 21:23, Will Smith <<a href="mailto:undertakingyou@gmail.com">undertakingyou@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Aaron Toponce <<a href="mailto:aaron.toponce@gmail.com" target="_blank">aaron.toponce@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im"> <div> </div>This is odd to me. Why should you be a member of your group to access hardware? Isn't that the kernel's responsibility? On my Debian machine: uid=1000(aaron) gid=1000(aaron) groups=119(fuse),1000(aaron) I'm in the fuse group, so I can mount fuse filesystems locally to one of my directories without root privileges. However, I can still access audio cds, play music, access my attached printer, watch videos, mount thumb drives, and everything else just fine. I'm failing to see the advantage adding myself to 13 groups provides. Now, maybe this is standard, tacking on 13 groups to the default user. However, here's Solaris: uid=1001(aaron) gid=1(other) ... and HP-UX: uid=106(aaron) gid=20(users) ... and RHEL: uid=503(aaron) gid=503(aaron) groups=503(aaron) </div> <snip> </blockquote></div> By way of comparison though, when I used Fedora and installed my scanner stuff I had to add myself to the scanner group in order to use the scanner. So you need to do it later even on these other systems. Will-- -- ubuntu-us-ut mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ut@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ut@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ut" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ut</a> </blockquote></div>