I agree that a new avenue has a chance to be useful but the arguments being used are not that solid. Moderation is not abused as its bein suggested in these emails. Moderation has only been used once and it was used to get the room under control. Without moderation a meeting can go extremely unorganized with un-needed chatter and then opinions will really go unnoticed as Everyone will be talking at once. Votes are simple as well. If you are for the subject use +1 or -1 for against it or 0 for netural. Again i have nothing against trying other options but lets not completely rule out IRC. It has been around way longer than any group or team meetings and is the suggested venue of communications. <div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Stone <<a href="mailto:webmaster@catcodesigns.net">webmaster@catcodesigns.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 </div>Dear Texas Team, I see several issues with just status quo. It fails because chatter on an IRC channel makes it hard to follow and does not give an adequate time to address and vote on topics. As I have stated before the channel can and has been used but I believe that moderation (since it can only happen from select individuals) can steer the conversations and discussions. When an item needs to be voted on it should be addressed prior to any meeting. Also with the announcement of voting item could be a way to simply vote on it and a place to enter personal thoughts on that topic beforehand. This was not the case on the last IRC meeting. This way an item to vote on could have a week or so to vote on prior to discussion to get a true consensus. Take this for instance <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000077.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000077.html</a> one reading this thread would think that the discussions had come to a close on a Centex group while in fact <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000072.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-tx/2009-December/000072.html</a> addresses this just days after the meeting and the forum post discussion some basic questions regarding the meeting place were never addressed and some of the other basic questions went unanswered. This may be the de-facto discussion place but to hold a vote or a poll does not say that this service works best. IRC is good for general chatter but the facts are already it place. I does not work to address and respond to large opposing opinions. I see nothing wrong with using google or other other services to take up the slack. And I do not see google fading away soon. In fact the reason this is still in beta is google has redundancy layers to approve new services just as gmail went through. I we remain stagnant then the team will remain the same. We need to look at the future and adapt to improvements. Cordially, Daniel Sone <div class="im"> matthew byers wrote: > I think we need to consider that too many aspects of meeting options > can become an issue...why not irc, then why not wave, then why not > dimdim, then why not email meetings...see where im heading with > this! If its not broken why mess with it?? > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Marc Randolph <<a href="mailto:mrand@pobox.com">mrand@pobox.com</a> </div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mrand@pobox.com">mrand@pobox.com</a>>> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Daniel Stone </div>> <<a href="mailto:webmaster@catcodesigns.net">webmaster@catcodesigns.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:webmaster@catcodesigns.net">webmaster@catcodesigns.net</a>>> <div><div></div><div class="h5">> wrote: > > > > I was referring to how we conduct meetings. > > What does a mailing list not have in relation to wave(google > wave)? > > > > one > > : a real time effect like chat. > > > > two > > : it offers a place that discussion can happen over the course > of a > > few days this would be great on voting > > > > three > > : discussions and supporting documents can be in on place > making it > > much easier to read and follow the discussion. > > > > Whilst google wave is beta -- dimdim already does this. > > [...] > > If one of the main reasons to switch is so that conversations, > votes, > and other things can occur over days, I don't place much weight > on the > real-time aspect. But let's say some people do want > near-realtime... > all that needs to change is those few people can sign up for > gmail or > some other email service that doesn't have much polling in the > way of > a polling delay. Messages are typically delivered in about the same > amount of time it takes to type them. Use a subject line, and they > are threaded into conversations / topics. Great for organizing. > > Items two and three are ideally solved by the existing email > list, IMHO. > > I'm truly not trying to be difficult, but I truly don't see why we > can't continue to use this mailing list that rather than making > _everyone_ that wanted to participate sign up for some random > non-official service that might die someday, and take our archived > discussions with it. > > > This message was attempted the way you instructedand I had to > add the > > mailing list to the to recipients. > > Worked great. Thanks! > > Marc > > -- > Ubuntu-us-tx mailing list </div></div>> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-tx@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-tx@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-tx@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-tx@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <div class="im">> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-tx" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-tx</a> > > > > > -- > God Bless </div><div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org" target="_blank">http://enigmail.mozdev.org</a> </div>iEYEARECAAYFAkso4noACgkQlaq+thmGnKwxVACZAbDao7HIOFpi+5n+DN/xPSn+ wgUAn0fExsRVRlaZwRtKvE76XMzi9ZX8 =ycNC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </blockquote></div> -- God Bless